From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 00:00:15 2002
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:00:06 EST
Subject: Re: Bike Quality
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 2/28/2002 1:01:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Rbeatty@XXXXXX writes:

> He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200

If it does not tickle your cookies, it aint worth having. Everything else is
secondary.

Oh and there is always the Buel Blast. It is a Harley???


John.
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 04:54:06 2002
From: JORAU1@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:53:52 EST
Subject: Re: Bike Quality
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I'm 45 years old and up till last June had been riding nothing but Japanese
bikes for the last 30 years, currently a 99 Concours and a 85 900 Ninja. For
some reason had always lusted after a Sportster. Finally did it and bought a
2001 1200 Sportster. All my riding buddies had told me I would hate it, you
know all the stories, it would shake its parts all over the road, oil leak
everywhere, break down on a regular basis,etc.
Guess what? This bike is the most fun I've had on a motorcycle. It is by far
not the fastest or the best handling bike I've ever owned but something about
it makes it the best to spend a day roaming the back roads. The handling is
decent enough, brakes work well, vibration is actually pleasant until about
70 mph, its a relaxed vibration not a busy buzz like my Concours.
Has it been the most reliable bike I've ever owned? No, but it has not been
bad, at 4500 miles the rocker box gaskets leaked oil, Harley had updated
steel gaskets to fix this and at 5500 the front belt sprocket came loose, new
sprocket& nut with locktite. The local dealer Elkridge HD, took me right in
and fixed both problems under warranty both time even though I did not buy it
there, another thing I was not used to as most Harley dealers I've dealt with
seem to really care about your business and your bike. Do it yourself
maintenance is easy and parts are cheaper than for my other bikes, and
usually in stock.
As someone's first bike I don't know, I started years ago on a 400, small and
easily
maneuverable. The Sportster is 500 pounds and actually has the highest seat
height of any Harley. As someone else said I think I would learn on something
smaller until I got past the dropping phase.
Hope did not ramble to much,
John


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 07:32:50 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:32:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: <OT> re: beginning the gun thread
To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX,
   SBave@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX


--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote:
>>    <DJY> Are you also saying that there should be a
> criminal penalty
> for not securing a firearm in your own home ?
>

Actually there is if children are present. At least in
Va. That one more reason the trigger lock crap is
bogus. If you don't have kids, there is no need for a
trigger lock.



Todd W.

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 07:44:06 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:44:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: <OT> re: beginning the gun thread
To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." <turnerr@XXXXXX>, sdave@XXXXXX,
   dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX,
   SBave@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX


--- "Roy D. Turner, Esq." <turnerr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> My opinion is let everyone own a gun.  This week I
> settled a hunting
> accident case on behalf of my client for $400K.  A
> hunter with 25 years of
> experience mistook my client for a deer and shot him
> in the leg.  The injury
> was very serious.   The accident occurred in the
> evening about 5 minutes
> before the end of the legal time to hunt.  My client
> did not have any blaze
> orange on, as it is not required during muzzle
> loader season.  I encourage
> everyone to go out and use firearms.   Let the
> flaming begin.
>
> Roy D. Turner
> www.cfolaw.com
>

Would you have been happier if he had been shot with a
bow? The hunter screwed up and used poor judgement.
Just like people who use poor judgement and cause auto
accidents, or industrial accidents, or other sporting
accidents.

Personally I don't hunt. I consider hunting areas a
two way rifle range. I think if you get shot while
hunting it is an assumed risk. That is like sueing the
guy that hit you on the race track. It is all part of
the sport. :) If every hunter follows the firearm
safety rules, people will not get shot accidently. If
everyone follows every traffic rule and regulation,
traffic accidents would drop by 99%.

Just my take on things.

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 07:51:35 2002
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:50:08 -0500

I second that "stay away from competition accessories."

I'm in the middle of a similar battle (paid for pants, still no pants,
WTF?....and customer service full of shite!)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:02 PM
> To: cledford@XXXXXX
> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: new wind screen
>
>
> Hey,
>      A cheaper and temporary but totally effective alternative to a whole
> new screen is a Rifle brand wind deflector. It's like a bug
> deflector for a
> bike's wind screen. It attaches to the top of the screen, and deflects air
> above the rider's head. I see them a lot on dual-sport type
> bikes, which are
> crap for wind deflection.
>
> Or, if you want to change the thing bad enough, there are wind
> screens with
> a lip on the edge that points up, deflecting air like a Rifle
> deflector, or
> try a Double bubble screen maybe?
>
> I can only say stay away from Competition Accessories. They suck. They
> charged my credit card for a tail trunk bag that was back ordered
> for over 2
> months. Customer service reps on the phone were completely worthless,
> feeding me BS constantly about "just wait a little longer" type comments,
> when it was totally obvious after the fact that they were clueless when or
> even if I would ever get my bag. I can't say enough bad things
> about how my
> business was handled.
>
> Howard J. Koontz
> 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project
>
>
>


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 07:51:54 2002
From: "Bruhl, George LT" <GBruhl@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Harley 1200
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:51:21 -0500

>I rented one (1200 sporty) along with a BMW R1100 or 1150 (the "new" boxer
>twin) for a vacation ride in Arizona with my brother a few years back.

Good advice...  rent one first.  Both Morton's BMW  (Spotsylvania) and Bob's
(Jessup) accommodate test rides.  I don't know about Harley but they might.


Arizona rents anything.  If you're looking for a great Harley rental in
Arizona try Hacienda HD in Scottsdale...  awesome store (ahem... boutique).

I rode my dads 66 FLH alotta years ago and they have greatly improved...
but HD does stuff which bothers me... like dual firing ignitions (when
single fire is soooo much more efficient), 70 degree V's, excessive amounts
of moving parts....stuff that just grates against my engineering mindset.
The owner ends up doing a lot of modification (if they're picky) to get it
"right".  Plus they are heavy, slowish and must be guarded with vigilance
(that may be true of just about any make these days).

If I was in the market for a cruiser of that particular genre' I would opt
for the Indian Chief (S & S motor) or something with a Rev Tech engine.  At
least the upgrades (for the most part) have been done and the bike is a turn
key mod.

gb
78 R80/7



From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 08:21:58 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:31:24 -0500
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
From: Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen)

At 07:50 AM 3/1/02 -0500, Jon Strang wrote:
>I second that "stay away from competition accessories."
>
>I'm in the middle of a similar battle (paid for pants, still no pants,
>WTF?....and customer service full of shite!)

I ordered a ZG Double Bubble windscreen from them on 2/18.  No indication
that it wasn't in stock or wouldn't ship immediately.  Called them
yesterday and found out that it isn't in stock and won't ship to me until
3/10.

Shitty service, IMO.  I should have been informed when I ordered that part.

At least when I ordered my Throttlemeister from AZ Motorsports they told me
it wasn't in stock and would be 2-3 weeks to ship.  I got a notice
yesterday that it shipped, approximately 2.5 weeks after ordering.  Not bad
 :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 08:28:09 2002
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: "Wayne Edelen" <wayne@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:26:42 -0500

don't hold your breath on 3/10.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX]

<snip>
> I ordered a ZG Double Bubble windscreen from them on 2/18.  No indication
> that it wasn't in stock or wouldn't ship immediately.  Called them
> yesterday and found out that it isn't in stock and won't ship to me until
> 3/10.
<snip>

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 08:37:45 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:47:17 -0500
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
From: Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen)

At 08:26 AM 3/1/02 -0500, Jon Strang wrote:
>don't hold your breath on 3/10.

Doh  :-\

I wonder if I should call and cancel my order?  Decisions, decisions.

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 09:15:01 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:59:07 -0600
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
To: <SBave@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Quality

>>> <SBave@XXXXXX><SNIP>
> But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass a  VFR?  :)
>And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of that  missile...LOL

Well...er...did I say that? Ok I waved to a Hyabussa once...

That whole Concours incident...embarrassing!.

George


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 09:30:24 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 06:30:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen)
To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>,
   dc-cycles@XXXXXX

cancel order with c/a; call zero gravity directly and have
the thing shipped today

funny, if i didn't see the header i'd think you guys were
talking about the lowlifes at motorcycle accessory
warehouse....


--- Jon Strang <jmstrang@XXXXXX> wrote:
> don't hold your breath on 3/10.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX]
>
> <snip>
> > I ordered a ZG Double Bubble windscreen from them on
> 2/18.  No indication
> > that it wasn't in stock or wouldn't ship immediately.
> Called them
> > yesterday and found out that it isn't in stock and
> won't ship to me until
> > 3/10.
> <snip>


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 09:44:44 2002
From: <christopher.meier@XXXXXX>
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:43:36 -0500
Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...
To: terryo@XXXXXX
Cc: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX
X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9
 |November 16, 2001) at 03/01/2002 09:43:49 AM


I can vouch for that.  :-)

I have a GiVi on my RF900.  I was bothered that the wind hit me in the
chest/neck and put on the GiVI ... now, it hits me in the head. Doh!
(Note: the helibars probably contribute greatly to this).  It is not a
problem on the twisties, just when running at higher speeds on the open
spots (i.e. interstates).  However, if you like to tuck down on the tank
for the long drones, it is great ... total silence.

YMMV,
--Chris





Terry Onufer <terryo@XXXXXX> on 02/28/2002 06:35:44 PM





To:    "Ledford, Calvin" <cledford@XXXXXX>
cc:    "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
       "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" <vfr-digest@XXXXXX>
Subject:    Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...


Cal, for what it's worth, the guy I am buying the 99VFR from had a Givi,
but
changed back to the stock. He was 5'9, and said the wind hit him square in
the
head, and the stock was better.

I can not speak from personal experience, but it is worth mentioning
because
this guy is bike nut.

TJ

"Ledford, Calvin" wrote:

>         All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one
that
> provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty"
look.
>
>         I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3
> different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa.  I was wondering if
> listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these
> different options.  I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems
fitting.
> I also don't care for how they show the different types on different
model
> bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on
my
> bike.  Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too.
>
>         Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest
> member.
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         -Calvin Ledford
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 10:00:01 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:58:14 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX
CC: terryo@XXXXXX, cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX,
   vfr-digest@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...

I searched for weeks to find a low windscreen for my Harley FLHS.  The astock
one, the only size, was way to high.  I *hate* looking thru a windscreen, and I
detest having to keep one clean enough to see thru!   The one I have now,
National Cycle I think, is perfect.  Yes, the wind does hit the top of my
helmet at road speed, and bugs and rain kinda splatter my head and shoulders,
but that's no real problem.  And I don't have to clean the damn thing!   Local
schoolkids use the windsceen for research whemn they're studying bugs!

Bill

christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote:

> I can vouch for that.  :-)
>
> I have a GiVi on my RF900.  I was bothered that the wind hit me in the
> chest/neck and put on the GiVI ... now, it hits me in the head. Doh!
> (Note: the helibars probably contribute greatly to this).  It is not a
> problem on the twisties, just when running at higher speeds on the open
> spots (i.e. interstates).  However, if you like to tuck down on the tank
> for the long drones, it is great ... total silence.
>
> YMMV,
> --Chris


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 10:42:37 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:42:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and take ac tion.
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

--- harry@XXXXXX wrote:
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> >
> >The following mail was blocked since it contains
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> >Rule/Policy: Profanity
> ...
>
> Kudos to Tom Gimer for triggering the profanity filter at
> aopa.org with the phrase "fuck 'em".

uh oh... i think i may have trouble here.  harry seldom
comes out to mix it up....

aopa?  hmmmmm...  broadstreet, you're a pilot!  fess up to
bringin granny with ya!


> I suppose we can either try to clean up our language,
> or else unsubscribe the listers whose mail server is
> generating these messages.
>
> Fuck 'em. Problem solved.

whew!  :)


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 10:52:32 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:45:02 -0500
To: "Rob Keiser" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX,
   vfr-digest@XXXXXX
From: Lori Wilson <wilsonl@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...

I have a Zero Gravity DB on my '98 and I love it. Although, I'm pretty
short so the stock one was o.k. too :)
(I've attached a pic to you Calvin)

At 11:14 PM 2/28/02 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote:
>Calvin,
>
>Don't know about the Targa's, but I've seen a Secdem and it looks like
>crap (rough cut lower edge and shit brown color tint) and with the Givi
>flip up at the top, you just killed your sporty edge (IMHO).
>
>I tried hard to get a tinted OEM one from overseas, but didn't have any
>luck, and also didn't want to pay the obscene amount to have one imported
>from Japan.  I ended up going for a Zero Gravity Double Bubble tinted one.
>The fit and finish was first rate and it installed in just a few minutes.
>
>Best place I've seen to get it, Arizona Motorsports with the VFR list
>discount:
>
>http://shop.store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/zergravdoubb.html
>
>As always:  YMMV, no affiliation, yadda yadda yadda
>
>Let me know if you'd like to see it.
>
>Rob
>'98 Red
>
>From: "Ledford, Calvin" <cledford@XXXXXX>
>To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
>"'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" <vfr-digest@XXXXXX>
>Subject: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...
>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:44:52 -0500
>
>         All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that
>provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" look.
>
>         I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3
>different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa.  I was wondering if
>listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these
>different options.  I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems fitting.
>I also don't care for how they show the different types on different model
>bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on my
>bike.  Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too.
>
>         Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest
>member.
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         -Calvin Ledford
>
>
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 11:35:08 2002
From: "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:34:59 -0500

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Calvin,

Another possibility is Zero Gravity's Sport-Tour screen.. Which is taller (I
THINK) than the double bubble.. I have it installed on my 99.  However,
being short, I think the wind now hits me in the head.. But it is easier to
tuck behind.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Ledford, Calvin [mailto:cledford@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:45 PM
To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'
Subject: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...


	All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that
provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" look.

	I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3
different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa.  I was wondering if
listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these
different options.  I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems fitting.
I also don't care for how they show the different types on different model
bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on my
bike.  Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too.

	Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest
member.

	Thanks,

	-Calvin Ledford

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:45 PM</FONT>
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like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that provides a =
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look.</FONT></P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>I did a =
search through the archive and found what appears to be 3 different =
vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa.&nbsp; I was wondering if =
listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about =
these different options.&nbsp; I saw some posts that the Secdems had =
problems fitting. I also don't care for how they show the different =
types on different model bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling =
for how each would look on my bike.&nbsp; Suggestions of where to =
purchase would be helpful too.</FONT></P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Please CC =
my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest member.</FONT>
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<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 11:49:37 2002
From: "Ledford, Calvin" <cledford@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
   "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" <vfr-digest@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:48:48 -0500

All,

I wanted to post this to the list for anyone interested in 1998-2001 VFR
crash guards.  Attached is my email inquiry for ordering information, and
the reply.

Review and installation information can be found at:

http://www.hondavfr.com/reviews/hps.html

-Calvin

'00 VFR800 Interceptor
'84 VF500F Interceptor (For sale)

> I have a 2000 model VFR - could you send me the ordering information?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Calvin Ledford
> Virginia, USA
>


Dear Calvin

Many thanks for your enquiry by e-mail.

I have pleasure in detailing our prices and other information below.

VFR800Fi HPS Heavy Duty Crash Protectors   M-#79.15

Shipping costs to the USA                  M-#32.20

Total order value                         M-#111.35

Available for immediate despatch.

The above prices are shown in Pounds Sterling, but would be approx. $162 US
Dollars.

Please also note the following points:

Prices are net to you and exclude VAT/sales tax (which is not payable on
orders exported out of Europe)

Payment can be be by, Bank/Wire Transfer, Credit/Debit Card, Cheque or Draft
in M-#/Sterling, drawn on a UK bank

* If payment is made by credit or debit card, for your security, credit card
regulations state that we simply require a photocopy either faxing or
posting of both sides of your card, with your signature, confirmation of the
order and the full address of the registered card holder, to which the order
must be despatched

I hope the information here has answered all of your questions, but please
don't hesitate to contact me again should you need any more information.

Thanks again for your enquiry and I look forward to receiving your order.

Regards

Graham Beardsmore

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 12:15:27 2002
From: Stevens John R DLVA <StevensJR@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 02/28/02
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:15:20 -0500

As a new rider, I would have to say that I am glad that I went with the "who
cares if it gets dropped" model, before moving up to something prettier.
(Although now that it's mine, I have grown attached to my old Sooz, and try
not to let it fall down TOO much!)  Another benefit of this type of bike is
that they are usually a good middle-of-the-road performer, and can help a
new rider decide which direction he or she wants to take with his or her
next bike.  BEFORE I started riding, I was dead set on the Harley cruiser,
but after riding a little bit I have decided that I want more performance,
and have been eying a nice ZX-6 as the next step in my M/C evolutionary
ladder.

Anyway, that's my newbie advice.  Start small and ratty to learn on, then
decide which way to go from there.


John Stevens
'77 Suzuki GS750
Waldorf, MD


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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:54:30 -0500
From: "Robert Beatty" <Rbeatty@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Bike Quality

--=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA

I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser.
He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion
on Harleys. Can you please send your responses?

I told him that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they
lack in quality.

--=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 12:18:16 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:18:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Yamaha has announced as of noon, eastern time that
they are bringing the FJR1300 to the U.S.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1

Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6. After
posting a banner for the last week touting "The Super
Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out
with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard
luggage!? Bait and switch! The FJ looks like a great
bike - don't get me wrong - but I'm highly
disappointed.

Chris Weaver

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 12:42:48 2002
From: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>
To: "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: MSF digest
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:46:05 -0500

>From SabMag with snippage:
"My VFkR is history. On my way home from the "Dragon" Monday, some stupid in
a pickup rear-ended me as the line of traffic in front of me was coming to a
stop. She was doing about 60mph at impact, and I was nearly stopped.

[Mirror check is a Good Thing(TM) Lotsa local loonies linked -- and
distracted -- by cell phones, audio equipment, . . .]

"After fracturing my spine on her hood, I was launched into the tailgate of
the pickup in front of me, which I grabbed hold to and held on till I was
dragged to a stop."
<snip>
I always say there are two kinds of bikers... those who have crashed, and
those who are going to. I guess I was way over due for a crash, 36 years of
riding without a serious injury. Maybe this will last me for another 36
years......
Guys, don't skimp on your safety equipment. I don't think anything I could
have done would have prevented my back injury, but my leathers and quality
helmet positively prevented additional serious owwies in this crash.

[Safety Gear sermon # 43]
Or "Itz a wonder he din't brek hiz nek cuz he wuz weren' a helmut."


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 13:05:48 2002
From: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>
To: "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'wayne@XXXXXX'" <wayne@XXXXXX>
Subject: Bike Quality
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:09:10 -0500

Wayne Edelen responded to
"You gotta love the Harley culture, Do they not wave to Sportsters also?"
with, "You gotta love it when people generalize  :-)"
<Snip>
Aye, there're jerks on many brands (tho IMHO, more jerks seem to gravitate
to the "image" brands e.g. Lexus, Jaguar, . . .)

Once on the Cherahola, I saw a bunch of HD riders lining themselves up at a
stop to take a picture.
I pulled in and volunteered to click their cameras so everyone could be in
their pictures.
When they got ready, I said, "Smile, say Honda".
Got several good pictures and a good chat after that.  Turned out most of
them owned rice burners "It's nice to have a bike to get parts with" said
one.

"It's not what you ride, but that you ride."
Carl in Brr-thesda (waves at scooters and bicycles)

" . . . the weather being less thermally enhanced then a Wicca nursing
apparatus  . . ."
John W

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 13:38:54 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:38:14 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Chris Weaver wrote:

> http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1
>
> Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6. After
> posting a banner for the last week touting "The Super
> Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out
> with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard
> luggage!? Bait and switch!

Nope.  Wolf in sheep's clothing.  :)

I think the FJR just might rock your world, Chris.
I'm glad to see it's coming (finally) to the States.
I hope it lasts as long as the Connie has.  It sure
looks worthy.  :)

Horkster
--
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'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 14:00:09 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:00:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Lamond <keithlva@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Gotta agree with the Horkster on this one.

An exciting real sport tourer is more needed in the
USA than another sportsbike.  Not that I don't like
sportsbikes, but we in the USA always seem to get
shafted when it comes to the niche market bikes.

Now if I just had money.  Honda ST1300, FJR1300,
hmm...

Keith

--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> >
>
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1
> >
> > Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6.
> After
> > posting a banner for the last week touting "The
> Super
> > Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out
> > with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard
> > luggage!? Bait and switch!
>
> Nope.  Wolf in sheep's clothing.  :)
>
> I think the FJR just might rock your world, Chris.
> I'm glad to see it's coming (finally) to the States.
> I hope it lasts as long as the Connie has.  It sure
> looks worthy.  :)
>
> Horkster
> --
> Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX
>
> Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)
>
> Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
> Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth
>
> '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
> '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
> '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 14:00:09 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:00:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Lamond <keithlva@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Gotta agree with the Horkster on this one.

An exciting real sport tourer is more needed in the
USA than another sportsbike.  Not that I don't like
sportsbikes, but we in the USA always seem to get
shafted when it comes to the niche market bikes.

Now if I just had money.  Honda ST1300, FJR1300,
hmm...

Keith

--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> >
>
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1
> >
> > Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6.
> After
> > posting a banner for the last week touting "The
> Super
> > Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out
> > with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard
> > luggage!? Bait and switch!
>
> Nope.  Wolf in sheep's clothing.  :)
>
> I think the FJR just might rock your world, Chris.
> I'm glad to see it's coming (finally) to the States.
> I hope it lasts as long as the Connie has.  It sure
> looks worthy.  :)
>
> Horkster
> --
> Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX
>
> Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)
>
> Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
> Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth
>
> '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
> '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
> '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 14:45:47 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:45:13 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: Keith Lamond <keithlva@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Keith Lamond wrote:
>
> Gotta agree with the Horkster on this one.
>
> An exciting real sport tourer is more needed in the
> USA than another sportsbike.  Not that I don't like
> sportsbikes, but we in the USA always seem to get
> shafted when it comes to the niche market bikes.
>
> Now if I just had money.  Honda ST1300, FJR1300,
> hmm...

Problem is, not everyone is gonna run out and buy
a new FJR right away.  Some of us are gonna hang around,
see what the major bitches/complaints are, see if there
are any serious technical flaws/glitches with the bike,
before we consider switching over.

If Yammie isn't wowed by their sales figures the first
couple of years, they could drop the bike, right about
the same time it starts to develop a real following.
I hope that scenario doesn't happen, but it has in the
past (Suzi GSX1100G, Yammie GTS-1000, a couple others).

So all you squids, go out and buy one.  Let us know
how you like it.  Sell them to us cheap, and go buy some
more.   :)

Hork

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'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 14:49:45 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:48:55 -0500 (EST)
From: hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Question about replacing solenoid


	A friend is replacing the starter solenoid(Sp?) on his
ZX6E and says the batter cables attach to the solenoid
but doesnt know if it matters which batter cable goes to
which end of the solenoid. One end of the solenoid is marked M
and the other is marked B.

Thanks
Hugh



From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 15:03:46 2002
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: "hcaldwell" <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Question about replacing solenoid
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:02:20 -0500

Hugh,

This help?

http://www.drintense.com/solenoid_diagram.htm

M motor (goes to ground after it goes through starter motor)
B Battery '+' terminal
should also be a "S" for switch (the '+' wire from the starter switch)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hcaldwell [mailto:hcaldwell@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:49 PM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Question about replacing solenoid
>
>
>
> 	A friend is replacing the starter solenoid(Sp?) on his
> ZX6E and says the batter cables attach to the solenoid
> but doesnt know if it matters which batter cable goes to
> which end of the solenoid. One end of the solenoid is marked M
> and the other is marked B.
>
> Thanks
> Hugh
>
>
>

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 15:07:35 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:07:26 -0500
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
From: Sean Jordan <eternity23@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

> Problem is, not everyone is gonna run out and buy
> a new FJR right away.  Some of us are gonna hang around,
> see what the major bitches/complaints are, see if there
> are any serious technical flaws/glitches with the bike,
> before we consider switching over.

It has been out in Europe for some time now....should be a fairly good
base of info on it out there.



Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 15:22:26 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:22:00 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: Sean Jordan <eternity23@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Sean Jordan wrote:

> It has been out in Europe for some time now....should be a fairly good
> base of info on it out there.

Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in
Europe are actually saying.  "It's the dog's bollocks!"  WTF?  :)

Hork
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Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)

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'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 16:20:54 2002
From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: speaking of back injuries and protectors
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:22:32 -0500

I've noticed some racers (on tv) and maybe one or two riders on the
street have back protectors that seem pretty much larger than the
usual, and they seem to extend upwards to possibly protect against
whiplash.

Can anyong give me any more info on these?

Thanks

Danny

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 16:49:15 2002
Date: 1 Mar 2002 13:49:08 -0800
To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors

On Thu, 28 February 2002, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:

>
> I've noticed some racers (on tv) and maybe one or two riders on the
> street have back protectors that seem pretty much larger than the
> usual, and they seem to extend upwards to possibly protect against
> whiplash.
>
how do you mean larger?  Mind goes from the top of my shoulders all the way to my tailbone...what is the "usual"?

LAG


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 16:49:38 2002
From: jessiev@XXXXXX
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: For Sale: Motorcycle 400cc - Annapolis, Maryland
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:51:15 -0500

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:01:05 -0500, in md.forsale "JV"
<jessiev@XXXXXX> wrote:

Annapolis, Maryland - Motorcycle - 1980 400cc Yamaha Special.  Good
condition.  Runs well. Garage kept. Low Mileage Metzler tires.
Electric/kick start.  GREAT starter motorcycle.  Asking $700 or best
reasonable offer. Please do not hit your reply button to answer
ad.Please
e-mail jessiev@XXXXXX Pictures available upon request.



From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 17:10:35 2002
From: SBave@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:10:04 EST
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


--part1_198.3111bc0.29b1563c_boundary

horkster@XXXXXX writes:


> Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in
> Europe are actually saying.  "It's the dog's bollocks!"  WTF?  :)

  LOL...one of the motorcycle mags did a ride on one around Germany a couple
of months ago. From what I remember the complains were abrupt fuel injection
and turbulence from the windscreen despite it being adjustable. They LOVED
the motor...

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9

--part1_198.3111bc0.29b1563c_boundary

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>horkster@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in<BR>
Europe are actually saying.&nbsp; "It's the dog's bollocks!"&nbsp; WTF?&nbsp; :)</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; LOL...one of the motorcycle mags did a ride on one around Germany a couple of months ago. From what I remember the complains were abrupt fuel injection and turbulence from the windscreen despite it being adjustable. They LOVED the motor...<BR>
<BR>
Steve Broadstreet<BR>
ZX-9</FONT></HTML>

--part1_198.3111bc0.29b1563c_boundary--

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 17:14:51 2002
From: SBave@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:14:07 EST
Subject: Re: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and take ac tion.
To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX


--part1_b2.7665909.29b1572f_boundary

 t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:


> aopa?  hmmmmm...  broadstreet, you're a pilot!  fess up to
> bringin granny with ya!
>
  LOL   Yep...I'm a member. But being a computer idiot (among other things) I
have no idea how that message would get sent to the list by me just being a
member...I don't use them for e-mail or use the web site as my home page.
Ideas anyone?

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9

--part1_b2.7665909.29b1572f_boundary

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2> t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">aopa?&nbsp; hmmmmm...&nbsp; broadstreet, you're a pilot!&nbsp; fess up to<BR>
bringin granny with ya!<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
&nbsp; LOL&nbsp;&nbsp; Yep...I'm a member. But being a computer idiot (among other things) I have no idea how that message would get sent to the list by me just being a member...I don't use them for e-mail or use the web site as my home page. Ideas anyone?<BR>
<BR>
Steve Broadstreet<BR>
ZX-9<BR>
</FONT></HTML>
--part1_b2.7665909.29b1572f_boundary--

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 17:19:09 2002
From: SBave@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:18:53 EST
Subject: Re: Bike Quality
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


--part1_107.dcd131b.29b1584d_boundary

 George.Cole@XXXXXX writes:

> >>> <SBave@XXXXXX><SNIP>
> > But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass
> a  VFR?  :)
> >And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of
> that  missile...LOL
>
> Well...er...did I say that? Ok I waved to a Hyabussa once...
>
> That whole Concours incident...embarrassing!.

  Don't be embarrassed...that mistake could be made by anyone.  :)
And don't worry about the Busa riders...they are just embarrassed that their
bike is so ugly...LOL     (kidding Wayne and Doug)!

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9



--part1_107.dcd131b.29b1584d_boundary

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2> George.Cole@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;SBave@XXXXXX&gt;&lt;SNIP&gt; <BR>
&gt; But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass a&nbsp; VFR?&nbsp; :)<BR>
&gt;And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of that&nbsp; missile...LOL<BR>
<BR>
Well...er...did I say that? Ok I waved to a Hyabussa once... <BR>
<BR>
That whole Concours incident...embarrassing!.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
&nbsp; Don't be embarrassed...that mistake could be made by anyone.&nbsp; :)<BR>
And don't worry about the Busa riders...they are just embarrassed that their bike is so ugly...LOL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (kidding Wayne and Doug)!<BR>
<BR>
Steve Broadstreet<BR>
ZX-9<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT></HTML>
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 18:44:54 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:54:15 -0500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Quality

At 05:18 PM 3/1/02 EST, you wrote:
>>>>

And don't worry about the Busa riders...they are just embarrassed that
their bike is so ugly...LOL     (kidding Wayne and Doug)!

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9

Bastards! :-)

All you guys only get a look at the taillights.  You should see the front
some time!  ;-)  ;-)

-- Wayne

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 19:40:59 2002
From: "Pierre C" <piffiffi@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: DC VFR head count
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:29:30 +0000

Hey,

The other day (about 10 days ago) I saw a yellow vfr on NY avenue, in NE DC.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone in this list lives downtown DC.

Ciao,
Pierfrancesco

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 22:13:59 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:13:25 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: cbr600 with givi
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>


>  http://wolfcentral.net/norcalcog/f4givi.htm

This is a pretty sweet setup for a lowly
chain drive bike, I must admit.  :)

Horkster


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'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
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From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar  2 03:32:26 2002
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:32:23 -0800 (PST)
From: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
Subject: Review: Harbor Freight MC tire changer
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Some months back there was a flurry of interest in the MC tire changer
from Harbor Freight. Some people bought the unit which turned out to be
only 1/2 of what you needed. Recently I had opportunity to acquire the
base unit (actually for car tires) for 1/2 price from HB, and got the
MC specific piece for $20 which was ten less than catalogue. So for the
cost of what one of those 'home grown' internet specials would have
cost me (excluding the DIY 2x4 projects), I got a very, very nice unit.

Breaking beads with the bead breaker is so trivial it's almost a
let-down. I used to struggle with the likes of big C-clamps or the
Dennis-Kirk 'jaw' thingy. What a waste that was!

Once placed on the tripod arms and the wheel firmly clamped in place,
one can do all sorts of work on the wheel at a comfortable height. Be
it rotor replacement, bearing removal and insertion or cleaning or
polishing the rim itself. That capability itself is worth the price of
admission, IMO. With the provided 3+ foot bar one can easily get the
bead over the top but that's where I ran into a snag. Maybe car tires
allow you to energetically pull on the bar to 'walk' it around the rim
to pry up the bead. I couldn't do it, the wheel kept spinning under me.
So I had to break out my trusty tire irons to help things along. If
they had provided some kind of fulcrum to rotate about, that would have
been perfect.

Getting beads on and off can require a bit of force and this is where
the only drawback rears it's head. The base is designed to be anchored
into a concrete floor with bolts, so the dinky feet aren't near long
enough to provide good stability when just placed as is.

Given the price ($65 total) this was a very good buy and if you change
tires a lot I would give it a hearty recommendation.

So, can anyone tell me how I can put bolts into a concrete floor after
the fact without doing a lot of obvious damage to the surface?

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From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar  2 10:34:54 2002
From: "Michael Jordan" <mjordan812@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: beginning the gun thread - Plus Helmets, Too!
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:20:45 -0500


> My client did not have any blaze orange
> on, as it is not required during muzzle loader season.

While not required, it does tend to support Darwin's theories.

Helmets aren't required in a lot of states - prudence dictates that they be
worn.

Should your client opt to wander about the woods in hunting season without
taking sensible precautions...

Michael J.



From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar  2 11:10:42 2002
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:08:54 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Review: Harbor Freight MC tire changer



matthew patton wrote:

> So, can anyone tell me how I can put bolts into a concrete floor after
> the fact without doing a lot of obvious damage to the surface?
>

Magic?  The method I use to anchor whatever to concrete is to drill a hole
with a carbide drill bit designed for concrete.  This requires sweat and
cussing or a big-ass drill, like a 1/2 inch motha.  The hole size is
determined by the lag bolt size which determines the hole diam required to
accept a lead anchor lag.  Pound lag anchors in hole, line up stand, bop
the lag bolts to get them started, and wrench away!  Any damge - i.e. holes
- can be easily patched if needed when you remove the stand.

Bill


From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar  2 15:24:26 2002
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:22:39 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: FREE!

>From the dusty depths of my garage emerged a box containing gas welding
stuff.  Looks like hoses, maybe two heads and two gauge sets with some
sort of valving gizmos.  No tanks.  Oh yeah, a pocket set of "tip
cleaners" that appears to have a variety of tiny round files therein.
I'm a  sparky welder, have no use for this stuff, and no clue how usable
it is, but it's FREE to the first person who hauls it away!

Location Annandale VA close to Backlick & Braddock, 1 mile inside the
beltway Braddock Rd exit.  Call for exact directions...

ho (703) 256-3115

Bill


From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar  2 18:36:02 2002
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:34:26 -0500
From: Chuck and Karen Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
CC: horkster@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA

For my money, the UK and Euro journos write a hell of a lot better than
their American counterparts.  More willing to be critical.  More
colorful language.  Political correctness pretty much thrown out the
window.  And their mags aren't afraid to sex and motorcycles, which is
as it should be!  And if you don't get "dog's bollocks" Dale, then you
just don't get it -- but then again, you LIKE shaft drive! %^)

Chuck
FZR600 track bike w/lights currently in streetfighter guise, license
plate DGZBLX

horkster@XXXXXX writes:

 > Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in
 > Europe are actually saying.  "It's the dog's bollocks!"  WTF?   [:)]




From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar  3 07:35:24 2002
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:33:37 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: more FREE stuff!

One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker design, 5 bolt
pattern.  Tires included.

Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage :-)

Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115


From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar  3 13:51:17 2002
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:51:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: more FREE stuff!
To: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>,
   "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Bill:

Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and
make me a moto trailer?  Thanks buddy!

Mark


--- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker
> design, 5 bolt
> pattern.  Tires included.
>
> Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage
> :-)
>
> Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115
>


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From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar  3 15:13:05 2002
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:11:18 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: more FREE stuff!

HA!  I do sparky welding, not gas, but my Lincoln welder is ready to zap
metal.  Sometime this spring/summer I'm going to build a bike(s)
hauler.  Soon as the steel fairy drops a load of tube stock in my yard.

Bill

Mark Kitchell wrote:

> Bill:
>
> Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and
> make me a moto trailer?  Thanks buddy!
>
> Mark
>
> --- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker
> > design, 5 bolt
> > pattern.  Tires included.
> >
> > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage
> > :-)
> >
> > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115
> >
>
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From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar  3 18:21:18 2002
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: "Tight Squeeze Racing" <tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX>,
   <speedwerks@XXXXXX>, "Sam Heim" <sam8165@XXXXXX>,
   <R0bwats0n@XXXXXX>, <Puppycub@XXXXXX>, "Mark S. Simone" <tish@XXXXXX>,
   "James Gaal" <jamesgaal@XXXXXX>,
   "Donnie Tingle" <dtiiifan@XXXXXX>, "David Salvaggio" <dls@XXXXXX>,
   <CyclePros1@XXXXXX>, "audrey gia" <Tantryk@XXXXXX>,
   "Brian McCoy" <mcycleracr@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: My GS
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:30:57 -0500

Thanks to Wayne for putting the picture of my GS up in his site.  Check her
out and if you know anyone who is interested and wants to find out more, let
me know.  Thanks!

http://www.blueblackbusa.org/laura_gs.jpg

Laura
http://laura.dcc-racing.org


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 01:23:19 2002
Subject: Mark Walker is Out of the Office
From: Mwalker3@XXXXXX
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:03:08 -0500
X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September
 22, 2000) at 03/04/2002 01:06:11 AM

I will be out of the office starting  03/01/2002 and will not return until
03/06/2002.

I will be reading my e-mail and will reply to your message as soon as possible.

Thank you.


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 08:48:02 2002
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:48:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Marhefsky <bmarhefsky@XXXXXX>
Subject: Painter Recommendation
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Just picked up a rear hugger for my Tiger and I'd
like to get it painted to match the rest of the
bodywork.  Any recommendations on a painter?

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 09:09:42 2002
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:07:02 -0600
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
To: <rgorman17@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: For Sale 92 Zephyr 750


1992 Kawasaki Zephyr 750 $ 2000.00

appx 25K mileage

See photos at http://photos.yahoo.com/gfacter Zephyr folder

I bought this bike as a Winter resto project. Its mostly completed.

I replaced the Battery, gas tank, completely rebuilt carbs (new jets, needles, gaskets etc) oil/filter, spark plugs and wires, and many other bits and prices. New tires. shop manual.

The bike runs excellent, is easy to ride and has a very low seat height.

Please contact me for more details.

Regards,

George Cole
301-523-4161





From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 09:27:55 2002
Subject: RE: Painter Recommendation
From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:27:48 -0500
To: "bmarhefsky@XXXXXX" <bmarhefsky@XXXXXX>,
   "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Noah at Better Off Bodyworks.  Down in the Triangle/Dumfires, VA area.  Don't have his phone number handy.  But he does all the paint and body repair work for Crossroads Cycles.  Call them (703) 820-3711 and I'm sure they can tell you his phone number.

Noah painted my GSXR before my deerhunter accident
http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm

Chuck

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Brian Marhefsky bmarhefsky@XXXXXX
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:48:00 -0800 (PST)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Painter Recommendation


Just picked up a rear hugger for my Tiger and I'd
like to get it painted to match the rest of the
bodywork.  Any recommendations on a painter?

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 10:11:55 2002
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500
From: Shawn Brand <shawn.brand@XXXXXX>
Subject: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the
wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also, the
lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP
notorious for marketing junk?


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 10:29:46 2002
Date: Mon Mar 04 10:28:41 2002
From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: DC VFR head count
To: <piffiffi@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Don't own a vfr but, i live in downtown dc.

From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 10:33:41 2002
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:30:20 -0500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: DC VFR head count

At , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
>Don't own a vfr but, i live in downtown dc.

Own a VFR, but don't live downtown.  Work down there every once in a while.



___________________________________________
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          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

         1997 Honda VFR 750
         AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA



From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 11:01:45 2002
From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: <ScooterFZR@XXXXXX>, <piffiffi@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: DC VFR head count
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:56:36 -0500

Whoever it was, it wasn't me.  Mine's red.  "Winterman," a sometime poster
to DCC, lives in DC and has a yeller VFR.

Paul in DC (near downtown)
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
----- Original Message -----
From: <ScooterFZR@XXXXXX>

> Don't own a vfr but, i live in downtown dc.
>


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 11:39:50 2002
Date: 4 Mar 2002 08:39:44 -0800
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Subject: Daytona Congrats

Just wanted to tell everyone to congratulate Keener and Roach for kicking some butt down in Daytona.  I know Roach took third in an endurance race and Keener won at least one of his class races.  Way to go boys!

Laura (<--counting the days until racing season starts for me)
http://laura.dcc-racing.org


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 11:59:22 2002
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:59:21 -0800 (PST)
From: stephen cutchins <stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX>
Subject: Can someone tape the races for me?
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Well, after 7 Bike Weeks in a row, I finally have to
miss one.  Cox Cable only broadcasts Speed Channel for
8 hours a day, so there is way too much racing that I
will miss.  Can anyone out there with a satellite tape
the races for me?  I would be forever indebted!

Fri
2-3 750SS
4-5 600SS

Sat
1-5 Supercross

Sun
8-10 WSBK
1030-1130 AMA 250GP
1230-330 Daytona 200

In fact, if someone does tape the races, I might be
able to put together a group TV night to watch the
200.  I think my apartment complex has a room with a
big screen that residents can use.

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 12:23:40 2002
From: "LindaT." <ljtanner@XXXXXX>
To: "DC-CYCLES" <DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:17:16 -0500

I have the flush mounts on my CBR and yes, they do market junk.  I had to
wrap the innards with electrical tape to keep it from shorting out.  That's
what the fast blink is telling you.  Take the things completely apart.  Make
sure all the connections are good and wrap the wires in tape.  I seem to
recall that the wire colors were not consistent.  Make sure the positive is
really the positive wire, etc.  Worked for me (after a while).

Good luck.
LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner

Shawn Brand asked:

Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the
wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also, the
lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP
notorious for marketing junk?


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 12:26:45 2002
From: "Carlos Ambrosini" <cdvip11@XXXXXX>
To: shawn.brand@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:15:04 -0500

did you get the double filament ones  or just the single?


>From: Shawn Brand <shawn.brand@XXXXXX>
>Reply-To: shawn.brand@XXXXXX
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights
>Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500
>
>Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the
>wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also,
>the
>lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP
>notorious for marketing junk?
>


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 12:47:18 2002
Subject: RE: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights
From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:50:10 -0500
To: "shawn.brand@XXXXXX" <shawn.brand@XXXXXX>,
   "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Shawn,

I've also found that the LP flush mounts seem to run "hot."  But I haven't had any lenses melt ... yet.  I'm not an elecrical wizard, but it probably has to do with them drawing more amps or whatever than stock turn signals.  Could probably be fixed with a resistor or something.  I'm sure someone ont he list could explain and provide a (hopefully easy) solution
As to them flashing too fast.  Are you running LP marker lights all around?  Or a set of stock signals (or a different set of marker lights) in front/back?  I'm going to guess that you're running different wattage bulbs.  All the bulbs need to be the exact same wattage, otherwise they'll blink at a faster rate.  This might also happen if you're only running lights/blinkers in one location.

And are you running 2-wire (blnkers only) or 3-wire (running lights/blinkers)?  If you don't need the running light function, just run a 2-wire set-up as blinkers only.  This may (or may not) help with the lights running too hot.

Let me know how you do with this problem as I'd defintely be interested in knowing what solution(s) you come up with.

Chuck

P.S.  Have you talked with the folks at LP at all???

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Shawn Brand shawn.brand@XXXXXX
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights


Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the
wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also, the
lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP
notorious for marketing junk?

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 15:41:06 2002
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:41:04 -0800 (PST)
From: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
Subject: angled valve stems
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I thought dennis kirk used to carry a fairly wide variety of valve
stems but their recent catalogue has only 1 type now. do the screw
together variety work fine? Is there a decent source of these things?

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 18:45:16 2002
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:45:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
Subject: Braking
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I'm forwarding this on from a friend of mine.  Thought
it was interesting.

Glenn


A few months ago there was an interesting discussion
on the YZF list about rear braking. Some guys were
quoting their MSF instructors (60/40 power
split, rear is very important), and I differed in
opinion, stating that those instructions apply more to
average riders/bikes, not our short-wheelbase
sportbikes, etc. This racing instructor offered his
opinion below. Interesting:


"Someone mentioned that 60% of your braking is applied
with the front brakes - that's completely wrong - over
90% of the braking is applied with the front brakes.
I've taken both the MSF and Code schools and am
currently have an expert race license and am
instructor at the Keith Code Calif Superbike School.

"Most people do not use the front brakes to their
fullest. One of the drills we do at the school during
the 2 day camp is locking up the front brakes,
getting the feel of what that shutter feels like, then
letting off. During hard braking, the rear of my bike
is off the ground or very, very light, so
rear braking at that point is of no use. Most racers
understand that more than 90% of your braking is done
by the front and stay off the rear unless
they run off the track. I can trail-brake the front
end most of the way into a corner - knee on the
ground, but if you touch the rear leaned over, its
bye-bye rear end.

"The point is get proficient at using the front brakes
to their maximum potential - the rear brake will get
you into trouble more times than not, and here's
another tip - the throttle will get you out of trouble
with 99% of the problems you get into."

Terry Embury
Hi-Side Racing - The Racer's Source

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 20:32:13 2002
Date: Mon,  4 Mar 2002 20:26:50 -0500
From: "Scott Luttrell" <scott@XXXXXX>
To: <nappyknot@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
   <xpelletier@XXXXXX>, <qshilling@XXXXXX>
CC: <lordorange@XXXXXX>, <cycleboy51@XXXXXX>, <sktcasey@XXXXXX>

Having a Bad Day? Read this-----
A man was working on his motorcycle on the patio, his wife nearby in the kitchen. While racing the engine, the motorcycle accidentally slipped into gear. The man, still holding onto the handlebars, was dragged along as it burst through the glass patio doors. His wife, hearing the crash, ran in the room to find her husband (cut and bleeding), the motorcycle, and the shattered patio door. She called for an ambulance and, because the house sat on a fairly large hill, went down the several flights of stairs to meet the paramedics and escort them to her husband. While the attendants were loading her husband, the wife
managed to right the motorcycle and push it outside. She also quickly blotted up the spilled gasoline with some paper towels and tossed them into the toilet. After being treated and released, the man returned home, looked at the shattered patio door and the damage done to his motorcycle. He went into the bathroom and consoled himself with a cigarette while attending to his business. About to stand, he flipped the butt between his legs. The wife, who was in the kitchen, heard a loud explosion and her husband screaming. Finding him lying on the bathroom floor with his trousers blown away and burns on his buttocks, legs and groin, she once again phoned for an ambulance.  The same paramedic crew was dispatched. As the paramedics carried the man down the stairs to the ambulance they asked the wife how he had come to burn himself. She told
them. They started laughing so hard, one slipped, tipping the stretcher and dumping the husband out. He fell down the remaining stairs, breaking his arm.

Still having a bad day? Just remember, it could be worse...

The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon
Valdez oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were being released back into the wild amid cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later, in full view, a killer whale ate them both.

A woman came home to find her husband in the kitchen shaking
frantically, with some kind of wire running from his waist towards the electric kettle. Intending to jolt him away from the deadly current, she whacked him with a handy plank of wood, breaking his arm in two places. Until that moment, he had been happily listening to his Walkman.

STILL think you're having a bad day?

Two animal rights protesters were protesting at the cruelty
of sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn, Germany.  Suddenly, all two thousand pigs broke loose and escaped through a broken fence, stampeding madly. The two hapless protesters were trampled to death.


Iraqi terrorist Khay Rahnajet didn't pay enough postage on a
letter bomb. It came back with "return to sender" stamped on it.
Forgetting it was the bomb, he opened it and was blown to bits.

There now, feeling better?

The gene pool could use a little chlorine

Scott Luttrell
Fast & Wily Racing
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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 20:57:35 2002
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/03/02
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:54:38 -0500


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Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/03/02


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> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:33:37 -0500
> From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
> To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: more FREE stuff!
>
> One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker design, 5 bolt
> pattern.  Tires included.
>
> Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage :-)
>
> Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:51:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: more FREE stuff!
> To: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>,
>    "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>
> Bill:
>
> Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and
> make me a moto trailer?  Thanks buddy!
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker
> > design, 5 bolt
> > pattern.  Tires included.
> >
> > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage
> > :-)
> >
> > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115
> >
>
>
> =====
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:11:18 -0500
> From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
> To: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
> CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: more FREE stuff!
>
> HA!  I do sparky welding, not gas, but my Lincoln welder is ready to zap
> metal.  Sometime this spring/summer I'm going to build a bike(s)
> hauler.  Soon as the steel fairy drops a load of tube stock in my yard.
>
> Bill
>
> Mark Kitchell wrote:
>
> > Bill:
> >
> > Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and
> > make me a moto trailer?  Thanks buddy!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker
> > > design, 5 bolt
> > > pattern.  Tires included.
> > >
> > > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115
> > >
> >
> > =====
> >
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> X-Sent: 3 Mar 2002 23:21:09 GMT
> From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
> To: "Tight Squeeze Racing" <tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX>,
>    <speedwerks@XXXXXX>, "Sam Heim" <sam8165@XXXXXX>,
>    <R0bwats0n@XXXXXX>, <Puppycub@XXXXXX>, "Mark S. Simone"
<tish@XXXXXX>,
>    "James Gaal" <jamesgaal@XXXXXX>,
>    "Donnie Tingle" <dtiiifan@XXXXXX>, "David Salvaggio"
<dls@XXXXXX>,
>    <CyclePros1@XXXXXX>, "audrey gia" <Tantryk@XXXXXX>,
>    "Brian McCoy" <mcycleracr@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: My GS
> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:30:57 -0500
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200
>
> Thanks to Wayne for putting the picture of my GS up in his site.  Check
her
> out and if you know anyone who is interested and wants to find out more,
let
> me know.  Thanks!
>
> http://www.blueblackbusa.org/laura_gs.jpg
>
> Laura
> http://laura.dcc-racing.org
>
>
>


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 21:00:58 2002
From: "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Braking
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:01:11 -0500

Glenn rubbed 2 sticks together...


A few months ago there was an interesting discussion
on the YZF list about rear braking. Some guys were
quoting their MSF instructors (60/40 power
split, rear is very important), and I differed in
opinion, stating that those instructions apply more to
average riders/bikes, not our short-wheelbase
sportbikes, etc. This racing instructor offered his
opinion below. Interesting:


	<DJY>  Oh boy... here we go...  I'll bet if Harry let's the AOPA guy
back on, we'll be flooded with 'content rejected' messages, some of them
not even set off by Gimer ;-)



"Someone mentioned that 60% of your braking is applied
with the front brakes - that's completely wrong - over
90% of the braking is applied with the front brakes.


	<DJY>  On what bike ?  what's the weight threshold & bias for this
statement to be true ?

...

"Most people do not use the front brakes to their
fullest.


	<DJY>  <yawn>  we know, now move on to something new...


One of the drills we do at the school during
the 2 day camp is locking up the front brakes,
getting the feel of what that shutter feels like, then
letting off. During hard braking, the rear of my bike
is off the ground or very, very light, so
rear braking at that point is of no use.


	<DJY>  BTDTGTTS.


 Most racers
understand that more than 90% of your braking is done
by the front ...blah, blah, blah..

the rear brake will get you into trouble more times than not,
...
the throttle will get you out of trouble with 99% of the
problems you get into."


	<DJY> hmm... The nice deputy's eyes glassed over when I tried to
explain this to him on the side of the road.  I realized he wasn't
buying it and said... 'never mind.  I've got a clean record, would you
write me a warning?'  He did.



Terry Embury
Hi-Side Racing - The Racer's Source


	<DJY>  Not sure I like the idea of taking riding advice from someone
materially involved in 'Hi Side racing'... ;-)



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 21:05:24 2002
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Braking.
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:02:29 -0500

---Glenn Dysart Wrote---
I'm forwarding this on from a friend of mine.  Thought
it was interesting.

Glenn

<snip>

"The point is get proficient at using the front brakes
to their maximum potential - the rear brake will get
you into trouble more times than not, and here's
another tip - the throttle will get you out of trouble
with 99% of the problems you get into."
-----------------------------------------------------------------

At the risk of setting things on fire.....a lot of good this will do you
linked and ABS brake types.

I personally don't do much racing on the street nor do any of my bikes have
an ABS or are linked so, I will continue to use my rear brakes. ;-)

Todd (Springfield, VA)


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 22:31:49 2002
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:29:52 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking

Glenn offers us the opinion of an apparently professional race bike
ridewr RE front/rear brake power distribution.  Hooey.  Bull-pucky.
Let us suppose the perfect braking distance from say 60 could be
established for any given bike.  We'll call that 100% efficient.  I'll
venture a guess that very few of the folks on this list could exceed 80%
of perfection even using both brakes and tossing out a drag anchor.
This is called real life situation.

I've heard a variety of percentage ratios bandied about in and out of
MSF classes.  The purpose of stating a F/R ratio is to introduce a
novice to the fact that wieght transfer puts more of the action on the
front.  Back in 1960 my driver's ed class taught me that, not exactly a
new idea. The actual ratio isn't that important, save for testy
discussion purposes.  Use both brakes, test the limits, avoid situations
that will test your limits.

Bill


Glenn Dysart wrote:

> I'm forwarding this on from a friend of mine.  Thought
> it was interesting.
>
> Glenn
>
> A few months ago there was an interesting discussion
> on the YZF list about rear braking. Some guys were
> quoting their MSF instructors (60/40 power
> split, rear is very important), and I differed in
> opinion, stating that those instructions apply more to
> average riders/bikes, not our short-wheelbase
> sportbikes, etc. This racing instructor offered his
> opinion below. Interesting:
>
> "Someone mentioned that 60% of your braking is applied
> with the front brakes - that's completely wrong - over
> 90% of the braking is applied with the front brakes.
> I've taken both the MSF and Code schools and am
> currently have an expert race license and am
> instructor at the Keith Code Calif Superbike School.
>
> "Most people do not use the front brakes to their
> fullest. One of the drills we do at the school during
> the 2 day camp is locking up the front brakes,
> getting the feel of what that shutter feels like, then
> letting off. During hard braking, the rear of my bike
> is off the ground or very, very light, so
> rear braking at that point is of no use. Most racers
> understand that more than 90% of your braking is done
> by the front and stay off the rear unless
> they run off the track. I can trail-brake the front
> end most of the way into a corner - knee on the
> ground, but if you touch the rear leaned over, its
> bye-bye rear end.
>
> "The point is get proficient at using the front brakes
> to their maximum potential - the rear brake will get
> you into trouble more times than not, and here's
> another tip - the throttle will get you out of trouble
> with 99% of the problems you get into."
>
> Terry Embury
> Hi-Side Racing - The Racer's Source
>
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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 22:51:53 2002
From: "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX>
Cc: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Braking
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:51:56 -0500

Bill contributes -

...  Hooey.  Bull-pucky.


	<DJY>  just what we would expect ;-)


Let us suppose the perfect braking distance from say 60 could be
established for any given bike.  We'll call that 100% efficient.  I'll
venture a guess that very few of the folks on this list could exceed 80%
of perfection even using both brakes and tossing out a drag anchor.
This is called real life situation.


	<DJY> WHAT?!  Knee dragging can occur in real life... while using 90%
front brake and no rear because it's off the ground...
		It could happen ...  :-)



...The actual ratio isn't that important, save for testy
discussion purposes.  Use both brakes, test the limits, avoid situations
that will test your limits.

	<DJY>  Sure, be the voice of reason, Bill.  I was hoping for some real
entertainment with the 'hooey & bull-pucky' opening...  Only to be heart
broken as you douse the flames of our budding brake thread with water.

maybe somebody will come along and save it...



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 01:23:57 2002
From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:26:27 -0500


The usual 'street' back protectors seem to be shaped along the lines
of a persons back.. the ones I've seen on some racers,  have a
different look. Instead of being shaped like someones back, they seem
to take an outward curve...   as if you had a utility pole made of
foam, cut it down to back size, cut it in half so that it's half
round, and placed the flat part on your back.   It kind of looks like
it is ample back protection.  I don't know if it's used in the US or
in other countries, all i know is i've seen it on tv.

anyone know anything about them?

|>how do you mean larger?  Mind goes from the top of my shoulders all the way to my tailbone...what is the "usual"?


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 01:28:47 2002
From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FREE!
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:31:17 -0500

If no one takes you up on the offer you might want to put it on ebay.

If i recall correctly that stuff sells for about $100 there.



From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 01:50:09 2002
From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
Cc: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking  (sportbikes)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:52:39 -0500

|>new idea. The actual ratio isn't that important, save for testy
|>discussion purposes.  Use both brakes, test the limits, avoid situations
|>that will test your limits.

It's my opinion that use of the back brake under emergency braking
will cause the bike to sway and wobble and be unsettled,  (and of
course possibly low side)

where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by
removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight
and even. A quick release of the front brake and one is than in a
bettter position to switch to a steering away strategy. (which is
actually preferable in the first place IMO)

Of course there are vices and virtues to any braking style...
I tend to use front brakes mostly, and use rear brakes for some low
speed stuff, and questionable traction stuff. (rain, wetness, grass,
gravel, city stop lights when i'm not doing endos) :)

What's my recomendation to any new sport bike rider? on the highway
use the front brakes. On the curves don't use brakes. And use the rear
brake in afore mentioned times.

Of course even if your'e perfect  with brakes doesnt mean you can
avoid accidents. It's nice to slow down your velocity though when
you're about to be ejected off your vehicle and travel in an
uncontrolled manner. Less traveling distance, less impact, less chance
for impact.

I actually would like to have a range to practice achieving the
perfect braking distance.. that would be fun.

Danny
01 gsxr 750
00 zx6r

From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 07:42:28 2002
From: Gaske David G DLVA <GaskeDG@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: RE: angled valve stems
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:42:23 -0500

The new Triumphs come with them, try one of there dealers and see what they
have.  They are 90' bends, very handy for getting around the brake discs.

David Gaske
2000 Triumph Sprint RS  <-- in the faster yellow


-----Original Message-----
From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:41 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: angled valve stems


I thought dennis kirk used to carry a fairly wide variety of valve
stems but their recent catalogue has only 1 type now. do the screw
together variety work fine? Is there a decent source of these things?

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 08:55:05 2002
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:53:17 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Oh boy!  New toy!

A bit pricey, but this rig looks kinda cool!

http://www.carver.nl/home.htm


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:02:33 2002
From: "Thomas Zell" <zellto@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Shameless puppy advertisement. ;-)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:03:35 -0500

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Hi everyone!



Coming out of continual lurk mode.



For those of you that remember we had a litter of pups back in 2000.
Well they're back again!  Hera and Red Stripe are the proud parents of
ten bouncing baby pit bull puppies!  Our house is once again filled with
the happy little cries of nursing little pups.



The puppies will be available for sale at the end of the first week of
May.  They will not be available to folks living in Prince George's
County as they are (needlessly) considered illegal there.  Price will be
$500 a pup which will get you a game-bred ADBA registered little bundle
of joy.  Our dogs are wonderful and are true American Pit Bull Terriers.
not the backyard-bred crap that you read about in the news.  They are
also small dogs weighing generally less than 50 pounds.  They are
excellent companion dogs.



Jeannette and I can be contacted at (703) 931-9143.



Thanks!

Tom

'86 VFR750








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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:03:22 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:03:15 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: re: Oh boy! New toy!

Bill tipped us off -

A bit pricey, but this rig looks kinda cool!
http://www.carver.nl/home.htm


  <DJY>  Needs about 140 more horsepower...  ;-)

Dave




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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:06:48 2002
From: SKeener2@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:06:02 EST
Subject: Re: Daytona Congrats
To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX


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>
> Just wanted to tell everyone to congratulate Keener and Roach for kicking
> some butt down in Daytona.  I know Roach took third in an endurance race
> and Keener won at least one of his class races.  Way to go boys!
>

I won GT Lights & Lightweight Superbike.  :-)  Thanks!

Steve

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:14:56 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:14:41 -0500
Subject: Re:
From: Sean Jordan <eternity23@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 08:26 , Scott Luttrell wrote:

> Having a Bad Day? Read this-----
>
<snip> Blah, blah, blah </snip>
>
> There now, feeling better?

Urban/Internet legends, every one...... amusing stories, though.



Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:19:44 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:19:38 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

Danny opined -

It's my opinion that use of the back brake under emergency braking
will cause the bike to sway and wobble and be unsettled,  (and of
course possibly low side)


   <DJY>  How so ?


where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by
removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight
and even.


   <DJY>  If your front wheel takes 'over 100% of the braking force'
that would be a front wheel skid.


 A quick release of the front brake and one is than in a
bettter position to switch to a steering away strategy. (which is
actually preferable in the first place IMO)

Of course there are vices and virtues to any braking style...
I tend to use front brakes mostly, and use rear brakes for some low
speed stuff, and questionable traction stuff. (rain, wetness, grass,
gravel, city stop lights when i'm not doing endos) :)


  <DJY>  What about stoppies ? ;-)

...
I actually would like to have a range to practice achieving the
perfect braking distance.. that would be fun.

  <DJY> Use an infrequently travelled road, or a store parking lot
before anyone gets there...

Dave






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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:29:32 2002
From: SKeener2@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:29:09 EST
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX


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In a message dated 3/5/02 9:21:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX
writes:

> where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by
> removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight
> and even.

Uh...only if your suspension is is set up nicely.  Otherwise you can have the
front end wiggling around under you.  Most street rider do NOT have the front
suspension set up well.   The technique of braking and letting off and making
a course correction then braking again.  The MSF course teaches it.

Keener

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 3/5/02 9:21:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by<BR>
removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight<BR>
and even.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Uh...only if your suspension is is set up nicely.&nbsp; Otherwise you can have the front end wiggling around under you.&nbsp; Most street rider do NOT have the front suspension set up well.&nbsp;&nbsp; The technique of braking and letting off and making a course correction then braking again.&nbsp; The MSF course teaches it.<BR>
<BR>
Keener</FONT></HTML>

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:42:06 2002
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:41:46 EST
Subject: Re: Braking  (sportbikes)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

While riding down the street the motorcycles weight is distributed about
50/50 (It varies bike to bike, and situation to situation. (Acceleration can
result in 0% front and 100% rear.) but 50/50 is close enough for discussion.)
That means that the braking available is 50/50 _at the moment braking starts_
If you go for 100% braking at that moment you will lock the front wheel. A
BAD THING! Yes you can get 100% at the front wheel but only AFTER 100% of the
bikes weight transfers to the front wheel.
The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and INCREASE
pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the rear as the
weight transfers.
And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum braking.
And it aint easy.
The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so that you
can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use both brakes
every time you stop. If you have to think about it you are screwed.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European
      is now necessary {and I still like it.})
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:51:04 2002
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:50:54 EST
Subject: Re: angled valve stems
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I think the Honda GL1500 uses 90deg. valve stems. Expensive I am sure, but
they use em.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European
      is now necessary {and I still like it.})
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:54:40 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:54:35 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

John pokes a marshmallow into the flames --

While riding down the street the motorcycles weight is distributed
about 50/50 (It varies bike to bike, and situation to
situation. ...That means that the braking available is 50/50 _at the
moment braking starts_
If you go for 100% braking at that moment you will lock the front
wheel. A BAD THING! Yes you can get 100% at the front wheel but only
AFTER 100% of the bikes weight transfers to the front wheel.

  <DJY>  At which point, your rear wheel is completely unweighted &
in the process of lofting if not already airborne.  It looks cool,
but can get out of hand very easily.


The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and
INCREASE pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the
rear as the weight transfers.

And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum
braking. And it aint easy.
The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so
that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use
both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it you
are screwed.

  <DJY>  Sage advice.  good points all.

Dave





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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:10:05 2002
Date: 5 Mar 2002 07:09:57 -0800
To: sdave@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)


>
> The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and
> INCREASE pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the
> rear as the weight transfers.

OK, people...how many times are we going to debate the damn braking issue? LOL...

>
> And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum
> braking. And it aint easy.

I will say, from my riding experience...MSF is NOT correct in everything they teach.  I think it's important to remember that MSF is an incredible way to learn how to safely get started on a bike, but as your riding progresses, the theories of riding change and how you apply your skills.

> The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so
> that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use
> both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it you
> are screwed.

I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track at VIR, I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest choice IN THAT SITUATION...therefore, I crashed.  You need to figure out what is best for the situation you are in at the time.

LAG


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:21:16 2002
From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" <SMeredith@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "Herb Manell (E-mail)" <nomad98@XXXXXX>,
   "Justin Lemrow (E-mail)"
	 <justin@XXXXXX>,
   "Rob Keiser (E-mail)" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>,
   "Richard Sperry (E-mail)" <richardsperry@XXXXXX>
Subject: COTU III
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:20:10 -0800


Calling all northern Va VFR riders.  It's time to start planning for the
ride to COTU3.  I'll volunteer to be the focal point for organizing the trip
if others are interested in getting a northern VA group together.  Contact
me off-list if interested.  The COTU3 web site is
http://users1.ee.net/adwvfr/cotu/cotu3.htm

Steve
97 VFR
Warrenton, VA




From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:26:20 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:25:26 -0500 (EST)
From: hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors


	The back protectors I see on race bikes look like half
of a cone. Is this what your talking about? If so I believe the
protectors are shaped that way for aerodynamic reasons while in
full tuck.

Hugh

On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:

>
> The usual 'street' back protectors seem to be shaped along the lines
> of a persons back.. the ones I've seen on some racers,  have a
> different look. Instead of being shaped like someones back, they seem
> to take an outward curve...   as if you had a utility pole made of
> foam, cut it down to back size, cut it in half so that it's half
> round, and placed the flat part on your back.   It kind of looks like
> it is ample back protection.  I don't know if it's used in the US or
> in other countries, all i know is i've seen it on tv.
>


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:34:24 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:34:18 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc: lgranato@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

LAG whines -
OK, people...how many times are we going to debate the damn braking
issue? LOL...

  <DJY> This is DC *CYCLES* not DC *SOCIAL* we'll debate the brake
issue until the list is extinct :-)



I will say, from my riding experience...


   <DJY>  How long is that in years & mileage ?


MSF is NOT correct in
everything they teach.  I think it's important to remember that MSF is
an incredible way to learn how to safely get started on a bike, but as
your riding progresses, the theories of riding change and how you
apply your skills.


   <DJY>  As well as what type of bike you choose.  MSF has to
account for all types from chopper to race replica and it is a street
course, not how to go fast around a track.


> The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so
> that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always
> use both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it
> you are screwed.


I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track
at VIR, I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest
choice IN THAT SITUATION...therefore, I crashed.

   <DJY>  See?!  you ride like you practice!

And just where *IS* Glenn in all this ?  he started it ;-)

Dave


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:39:09 2002
Date: 5 Mar 2002 07:39:02 -0800
To: sdave@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

On Tue, 05 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

>
> LAG whines -

First of all, I don't whine...It was bitching, thank you...

>   <DJY> This is DC *CYCLES* not DC *SOCIAL* we'll debate the brake
> issue until the list is extinct :-)

I agree that it's not DC *social*, but why do we run circles around the same "cycle" issues and never come up with any answers...here's a challenge, Dave.  Go back and see how many times we've debated this issue and tell me the outcome of each.
>
>
> I will say, from my riding experience...
>
>
>    <DJY>  How long is that in years & mileage ?

Enough...I know plenty of people who have been riding for eons and they just plain shouldn't drive a shopping cart at the grocery store...It doesn't have to do with that type of "experience..."

>
>
>    <DJY>  As well as what type of bike you choose.  MSF has to
> account for all types from chopper to race replica and it is a street
> course, not how to go fast around a track.

Did I apply my comment to only racing?  NO...didn't think so...

>
>    <DJY>  See?!  you ride like you practice!
>
Wrong...my inexperience in that situation led me to make a mistake.  One I'll never make again. I'm saying that you have to *evaluate* the situation and what is best for that...

In a pissed off mood...can't you tell?

LAG


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:46:10 2002
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:43:22 -0500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Rob Winters <rob@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Oh boy!  New toy!

At 08:53 AM 3/5/2002, William J. Huson wrote:
>A bit pricey, but this rig looks kinda cool!
>
>http://www.carver.nl/home.htm

A bit pricey, indeed! 55,000 Euros = $47,800!

Because this is a trike, would it be considered a motorcycle in the U.S.,
therefore you'd have to wear a helmet, even inside that enclosed cockpit?
They advertise otherwise for the home market:

"A detachable hardtop makes the ultimate dream of a bike rider come true:
winding along the roads in just your shirt, no helmet to spoil the fun!"

Just your shirt, huh? I guess pants aren't required in the Netherlands,
either. What a fun place! ;-) I think even Connecticut requires that
motorcyclists wear pants.

  /// Rob

P.S. Join NORPaL, the National Organization for the Repeal of Pants Laws


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:54:01 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:53:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

These things aren't back protectors. They may serve
some minor protective duties in the right kind of
fall, but they're really only there for aerodynamic
reasons. There are a number of leathers manufacturers
that make suits with these on them, but they're of
highly questionable use on the street aside from their
pose value.

Chris Weaver


--- hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX> wrote:
>
> 	The back protectors I see on race bikes look like
> half
> of a cone. Is this what your talking about? If so I
> believe the
> protectors are shaped that way for aerodynamic
> reasons while in
> full tuck.
>
> Hugh
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:
>
> >
> > The usual 'street' back protectors seem to be
> shaped along the lines
> > of a persons back.. the ones I've seen on some
> racers,  have a
> > different look. Instead of being shaped like
> someones back, they seem
> > to take an outward curve...   as if you had a
> utility pole made of
> > foam, cut it down to back size, cut it in half so
> that it's half
> > round, and placed the flat part on your back.   It
> kind of looks like
> > it is ample back protection.  I don't know if it's
> used in the US or
> > in other countries, all i know is i've seen it on
> tv.
> >
>


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:06:52 2002
From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles list" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:03:12 -0500

----- Original Message -----
From: "LAURA GRANATO" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
>
> >
> > The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and
> > INCREASE pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the
> > rear as the weight transfers.
>
> OK, people...how many times are we going to debate the damn braking issue?
LOL...
>
> >
> > And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum
> > braking. And it aint easy.
>
> I will say, from my riding experience...MSF is NOT correct in everything
they teach.  I think it's important to remember that MSF is an incredible
way to learn how to safely get started on a bike, but as your riding
progresses, the theories of riding change and how you apply your skills.
>
> > The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so
> > that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use
> > both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it you
> > are screwed.
>
> I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track at
VIR, I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest choice IN
THAT SITUATION...therefore, I crashed.  You need to figure out what is best
for the situation you are in at the time.
>
> LAG

MSF assumes that people are going to ride all sorts of bikes once they
leave the Basic RiderCourse, so the curriculum is designed with that in
mind.  Cruisers brake a lot differently that sportbikes, for instance.  Many
bikes come with ABS or linked brakes these days.  It is also based on
research that
shows underbraking with the front and overbraking with the rear is a major
contributor to street crashes.  Having driven cars, mashing the rear pedal
usually comes naturally to newbies.  Squeezing the front lever brings back
memories
of misadventures on a bicycle, in the form of an over-the-handlebars
somersault.  It's the
basics, not the finer points, that's for sure, and is designed for widest
applicability to "real world" situations among riders of average skill on a
variety of bikes.

With all that in mind let's not get too hung up on percentages.  Let's just
say that on streetbikes, the front provides the majority of your stopping
power throughout the entire braking sequence as the weight shifts forward.
According to the old IG (Instructor Guide) riders were counseled to provide
a progressive squeeze to the front lever and a decreasing pressure on the
rear pedal as they slowed to a "maximum straight-line braking" stop.  That's
true on any bike, but the "percentage" is going to differ based on lots of
factors and where you are in the progressive weight shift.  I try to stay
away from percentages and go with "majority."  That gets the point across
without getting bogged down in technicalities.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F





From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:20:08 2002
Date: 5 Mar 2002 08:20:01 -0800
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Subject: helmet dilemma

I have a dilemma...I have a free bike to ride this weekend to watch the Daytona 200 at Greveys or wherever it is...but no helmet.  I wear an XS.  Here's the dilemma...

Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff?  Go without one?  I'm not quite sure what to do...


How's that for a new twist on the helmet thread???

LAG <---being very sarcastic today...I'll be driving my car on Sunday


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:26:05 2002
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: "LAURA GRANATO" <lgranato@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: helmet dilemma
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:24:38 -0500

> Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff?
>  Go without one?  I'm not quite sure what to do...

ROTFLMAO.

Good one, Laura.

--jon

From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:30:46 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:30:40 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

LAG corrects -

First of all, I don't whine...It was bitching, thank you...

  <DJY>  Oh YEAH?!  My wife has PMDD.  So there ! ;-)



I agree that it's not DC *social*, but why do we run circles around
the same "cycle" issues and never come up with any answers


  <DJY> It's our destiny ?

...here's a challenge, Dave.  Go back and see how many times we've
debated this issue and tell me the outcome of each.

   <DJY> minimum twice per year since <head scratching>...
uh...  '94 or '95?  I seem to remember around '96 or '97 it was a
summer marathon flame fest of brake threads...  give or take a year
or two.  The outcome is always the same - 1 or 2 step up, thumb their
chests because 'they know more than the unwashed masses', some
insults are traded, and it usually goes away in a couple of days.
Sometimes there *IS* a good post or two, or a trinquet of wisdom
embedded in all the fluff.

> I will say, from my riding experience...
>
>
>    <DJY>  How long is that in years & mileage ?

Enough...I know plenty of people who have been riding for eons and
they just plain shouldn't drive a shopping cart at the grocery
store...It doesn't have to do with that type of "experience..."

  <DJY> shopping carts ?  Look, I mow down one lousy customer in
Lowe's with a lumber cart & I'm labeled for life.
Actually, Glenn's original quoted text said something like 'the ratio
isn't important'....  which we've pretty much ignored...
rear brake, no rear brake ; different usage for different venues...


>
>
>    <DJY>  As well as what type of bike you choose.  MSF has to
> account for all types from chopper to race replica and it is a
street course, not how to go fast around a track.

Did I apply my comment to only racing?  NO...didn't think so...

  <DJY> It was a comment, not lobbing shells at you...


>    <DJY>  See?!  you ride like you practice!
>
Wrong...


   <DJY>  can't argue wisdom like that...

Dave


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:38:45 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:38:39 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: re: helmet dilemma

I have a dilemma...I have a free bike to ride ...but no helmet.  I
wear an XS.  Here's the dilemma...

Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff?  Go
without one?  I'm not quite sure what to do...

  <DJY>  Wouldn't tissue be more...  comfortable ?  ;-)
(sorry, no helmets that small in my inventory)...


Dave



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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:49:21 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:48:27 -0500 (EST)
From: hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)


	Minimum stopping distance is achieved by using both
brakes. You should apply the rear brake first to settle the
bike an make it squat. Then apply the front brake. If you don't
agree with me you're a freaking MORON!

No thanks necessary just send money,
Hugh



From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 12:27:51 2002
From: "Eric Silberg" <ersilberg@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:27:26 -0500

Maximum breaking occurs when you settle the bike, adjust the weight bias
with your body, then hit a brick wall.  Oh wait, you said braking.
Disregard...




From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 12:33:00 2002
Date: 5 Mar 2002 09:32:49 -0800
To: sdave@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

On Tue, 05 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

>
> LAG corrects -
>
> First of all, I don't whine...It was bitching, thank you...
>
>   <DJY>  Oh YEAH?!  My wife has PMDD.  So there ! ;-)

Your poor wife...she's married to you.  Just kidding! ;-)
>
>
>
>   <DJY> shopping carts ?  Look, I mow down one lousy customer in
> Lowe's with a lumber cart & I'm labeled for life.

question is...did you use the front, rear, or a combination of both brakes? And, how would you handle that situation differently next time?

> Actually, Glenn's original quoted text said something like 'the ratio
> isn't important'....  which we've pretty much ignored...

Of course we have...it wouldn't be right if we actually debated the *real* issue. LOL.

> Wrong...
>
>    <DJY>  can't argue wisdom like that...
>
Of course you can't...just realize the woman is *always* right and you'll be fine.

LAG


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 12:52:21 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:52:19 -0800 (PST)
From: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I realize the original topic has been largely discarded, but if you
will all turn to your handy-dandy, multi-year MCN index you will find
on P.34 of the March 2000 issue a very well written article with
scientific, and physics based explanation of what is going on. And not
some hearsay or enlightened opinion.

and they say, back issues of MCN aren't worth anything. nor an index
cross-referenced in a usable fashion...

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 13:58:03 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:58:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: Shipping a Motor?
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I'm having a motorcycle motor shipped from California
to here, and seller says it's turning out to cost much
more than originally planned ($300 rather than
$100-120). This seems like far too much and I'm going
to see if I can't find a cheaper way to ship it than
the seller has found.

Has anyone found an inexpensive way to ship small
heavy containers such as this?

Thanks,
Chris Weaver

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 14:49:54 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:49:48 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

LAG throws a barb -

Your poor wife...she's married to you.  Just kidding! ;-)

  <DJY>  a true glutton for punishment...

> shopping carts ?  Look, I mow down one lousy customer in
> Lowe's with a lumber cart & I'm labeled for life.

question is...did you use the front, rear, or a combination of both
brakes? And, how would you handle that situation differently next
time?

  <DJY> The lumber carts only have a rear brake, so I used it...
That is to say, I pulled the lever, which resulted in no decrease in
velocity.  Planted the 4x4 right between the eyes of that little brat
running through the store unsupervised...  I guess it didn't help
things that I had 300# of asphalt patch on the cart...  I don't know
WHAT they were upset about... I got the kid to stop screaming <jk>



Of course you can't...just realize the woman is *always* right and
you'll be fine.


  <DJY>  Just like Eve was right about the Apple, huh ? ;-)
   I might be fine, but I'll be broke.

Dave


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 15:24:30 2002
Date: 5 Mar 2002 12:24:23 -0800
To: sdave@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

On Tue, 05 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

>
> LAG throws a barb -
>
> Your poor wife...she's married to you.  Just kidding! ;-)
>
>   <DJY>  a true glutton for punishment...

Must be...maybe that's why I'm not married...haven't found someone willing to put up with my crap. LOL.


>   <DJY> The lumber carts only have a rear brake, so I used it...
> That is to say, I pulled the lever, which resulted in no decrease in
> velocity.  Planted the 4x4 right between the eyes of that little brat
> running through the store unsupervised...  I guess it didn't help
> things that I had 300# of asphalt patch on the cart...  I don't know
> WHAT they were upset about... I got the kid to stop screaming <jk>

Good Lord, I hope you never have kids...or pets, for that matter. ;-)

>
> Of course you can't...just realize the woman is *always* right and
> you'll be fine.
>
>
>   <DJY>  Just like Eve was right about the Apple, huh ? ;-)
>    I might be fine, but I'll be broke.
>

Nothing wrong with a little bit of sin...

LAG


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 16:04:50 2002
Subject: New book - Sportbiking: The Real World 2
From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:04:47 -0500
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
CC: "jaehnej@XXXXXX" <jaehnej@XXXXXX>

Some of you may be familiar with Gary Jaehne's book "Sportbiking: The Real World".

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556308353/qid=3D1015355789/sr3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/102-8926252-9090557

Well, Gary has a sequel out "Sportbiking: The Real World 2".

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556303882/qid=3D1015355789/sr3D1-2/ref=3Dsr_1_2/102-8926252-9090557.

Amazon.com is showing availability "usually ships in 4 to 6 weeks."  But you may also be able to get it directly from Gary and his wife Jill.  I'm taking the liberty of including Jill's email address as a cc to this email (I hope you don't mind, Jill!) if anyone is interested in buying a copy of the book directly from the author.  I'm pretty sure Jill is in charge of the "business end" of distributing the book.  She can tell you how much plus shipping.  And no, I'm not getting any commissions for the sales of the book! %^)

For those who don't know Gary, he is sort of an "icon" in the sportbiking world in Northern California.  He is an accomplished racer (won the AFM 450 Superbike championship on a Kawasaki ZXR400 last year and has other AFM titles) and an instructor for dP Safety School http://www.dpsafetyschool.com (track school run by Dennis Pegelow).  Leads lots of rides from Alice's Restaurant http://www.calhsta.org/library/alices.htm on roads like these http://www.pashnit.com/roads/cal/AlpineRd.htm and does clinics for Doc Wong http://www.docwong.com/st-clinc/index.htm.  I met Gary via the internet and we've become good friends over the years.  He's done a lot to help me become a better rider and have a better understanding of my motorcycle.  Haven't had a chance to ride with him (yet ... and I'm sure I'd have to hustle to keep up!), but have had dinner with him and Jill.  Both are great folks.

I'd highly recommend both books (although I haven't read the second one yet because it's just being sent to me).  I would put them in the "must have" category for sportbike riders who like to ride at a "spirited" pace on "real" roads, but they're also very useful for all motorcycle riders.

Chuck

P.S.  Gary and I do have one thing in common: we've both hit deer while riding our motorcycles (although he's done it more times than me!)

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 19:38:26 2002
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:36:35 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: helmet dilemma



LAURA GRANATO wrote:

> I have a dilemma...I have a free bike to ride this weekend to watch the Daytona 200 at Greveys or wherever it is...but no helmet.  I wear an XS.  Here's the dilemma...
>
> Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff?  Go without one?  I'm not quite sure what to do...

I don't understand - I thought girls were experts at padding out semi-spherical garments?

Bill


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 21:14:25 2002
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Got my throttle lock from AZ Motorsports the other day and decided to
install it tonight.  Really easy to install and it seems to work as
advertised.  Testing tonight included sitting on the bike and going
<vroom><vroom> inside the garage  :-)  (it's damn cold outside)

I'm not a big fan of the aluminum look, might have to remove them to paint
or powdercoat them black.

Pics - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/mods/throttlemeister/

Next up - ZG Double Bubble (should be in later this week - in time for
riding this weekend!)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 21:48:26 2002
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Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
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Perhaps some folks might measure their stopping distances, alternating
between using both brakes and using front brake only.  More evidence, less
theory. (This has undoubtedly already been done, in which case it's just a
matter of finding the data.)

--garcia

"Don't bother me with facts.  I've already made up my mind."


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Does anyone know what scheduled maintenance a 95-97 CBR-F3 with
15,000-20,000 miles needs and how much it will cost?

Please also let me know if you see a '95-97 CBR-F3 for sale.
Thanks.
Tuan

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garcia oliver wrote:
> 
> Perhaps some folks might measure their stopping distances, alternating
> between using both brakes and using front brake only.  More evidence, less
> theory. (This has undoubtedly already been done, in which case it's just a
> matter of finding the data.)

We had an impromptu braking course set up once at one of Leon's Circles
sessions a couple years ago, set up marks on the pavement corresponding
to certain distances, etc. etc.  We had at least one wipeout by someone
locking the front and having it tuck, and everyone sort of lost interest
in the exercise after that.

If someone wants to practice hard braking, go ahead, but be careful.  
It can be too easy to identify the limits of your bike the hard way.

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Hello,

I got a ticket last night in DC for parking within 40
feet of a curb - what the fuck? How could one park
anywhere?

Does anyone know anything about this law? I had heard
something about it being repealed. I took pictures and
would love to contest it.

Thanks!

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The parking rules in DC seem to change block-by-block and the ticket-writers
don't always know what's what.  The distance you need to be from an
intersection depends on what kind of intersection it is; you have to be
farther away when it is a bigger intersection, etc.  Also they make you park
farther away from the intersection if it is a school zone, so drivers can
have a better chance of seeing the little kids in the crosswalk.  They count
it as a school zone if it is the "usual" route between the school and the
Metro, or the school and the major bus line, so even if you don't see a
school around, you might be in a school zone.

Basically if there is no sign saying No Parking, you can contest your
ticket. Just take the ticket and the pictures to 65 K Street NE and usually
they just drop them the same day.  Even if it is not legally a spot, if the
sign is missing they will drop the ticket too.

FYI the parking "police" (I use that term very lightly) do not seem to know
the laws very well. Especially the finer points like how long after
registering the car/bike you get to have it inspected (you are supposed to
be able to park on the street for X number of days with no inspection
sticker and not get a ticket).  If you ever think the parking ticket you got
is in error, it's always good to at least ask the DMV because a lot of times
you will be right.

Most of the parking ticket info is at dmv.dc.gov; very fine points are not
here but the rules/procedure for contesting a ticket are.

Good luck!

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Who all is planning to go?

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Howard, shoot me an email if you'd be so kind...thanks!


Regards,

Sean Jordan
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Me!  Since it was my idea and I organized it, I figure it's probably a good idea if at least I show up.  Hopefully, Karen and Marin will be there too (but it's right in the middle of Marin's normal nap time).

Chuck

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Who all is planning to go?

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I'm planning on it, but I too have a tiny munchkin who runs the schedule.
On the good side though, she's still small enough to fit into the tankbag :)
Cedric


Me!  Since it was my idea and I organized it, I figure it's probably a good
idea if at least I show up.  Hopefully, Karen and Marin will be there too
(but it's right in the middle of Marin's normal nap time).

Chuck


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Is there a Daytona 200 gathering somewhere around DC
to watch the 200 on Sunday?  If so could you please
let me know where, as my cable company doesn't start
showing Speed Channel until after 5.

Does anyone out there with a satellite plan on taping
the races?  If so could I please get a copy?  I MUST
watch all of the races, it's kind of a sickness
really.  600, 750, 250, Supercross, you name it, I go
nuts if I don't get to watch them.  And don't even get
me started on World Superbikes and GP1!!!

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> time).
> 
> Chuck
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--- Ulrich Boser <ulrichboser@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I got a ticket last night in DC for parking within 40
> feet of a curb - what the fuck? How could one park
> anywhere?

i think i speak for most of the listers when i request that
you please watch your language.  please remember that there
are innocent little children on this list.... e.g., sean
jordan, chuck pena, etc.


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Barring an unforeseen disaster, I will be there,
hopefully with my fiance.

They will have Speed on from 12:30-3:30, loud enough
so we can hear it?

12:30 at grevey's in falls church/fairfax area.  I
have the same 
sickness you do, and no cable right now...



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Ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you... :-)

Its time to sell. I'm leaving the country VERY shortly and I need to sell my beloved Beemer.

Details: Blue 1997' BMW F650ST, approx. 23,000 miles.

It is well taken care of but has a few scratches. It has a new rear tire and new chain. Steel braided front brake line, Wudo adjustable brake lever, heated grips, and a BMW 12V plug. I did most of the work on it myself, I have all the receipts and records.

For those not familiar with this bike: Its the street version of the F650 Funduro, about 1" lower suspension with street wheels and tires and a slightly different look. It has a 1 cylinder Rotax engine. This bike is great fun. I've ridden it as a commuter and as a tourer. Really friendly, lots of fun, and very comfortable.

You can view the bike at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album

Contact me by email at rydin@XXXXXX or by phone at 301-585-0104.

I'll be out of town this weekend but I'll try and check my email anyway. I'll be back Sunday evening.

Niv



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<P>Ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you... :-)</P>
<P>Its time to sell. I'm leaving the country VERY shortly and I need to sell my beloved Beemer.</P>
<P>Details: Blue 1997' BMW F650ST, approx. 23,000 miles.</P>
<P>It is well taken care of but has a few scratches. It has a new rear tire and new chain. Steel braided front brake line, Wudo adjustable brake lever, heated grips, and a BMW 12V plug. I did most of the work on it myself, I have all the receipts and records.</P>
<P>For those not familiar with this bike: Its the street version of the F650 Funduro, about 1" lower suspension with street wheels and tires and a slightly different look. It has a 1 cylinder Rotax engine. This bike is great fun. I've ridden it as a commuter and as a tourer. Really friendly, lots of fun, and very comfortable.</P>
<P>You can view the bike at: <A href="http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album">http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album</A></P>
<P>Contact me by email at <A href="mailto:rydin@XXXXXX">rydin@XXXXXX</A> or by phone at 301-585-0104.</P>
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--- Ulrich Boser <ulrichboser@XXXXXX> wrote:
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Stephen,

Go to http://www.geocities.com/bikenight for info and details.  Apparently, you missed my previous post to the list about this event.

If you are REALLY, REALLY nice to me, i.e., not an asswipe like that fuck Gimer %^), I might lend you my tape which will have:

- WSB Spain races 1 and 2
- Daytona 250GP race
- Daytona 200 Superbike race

If I can squeeze the other races onto the tape, I will.  But no promises.  Those above are the ones I absolutely postively want to have on tape (I'll also have them digitally recorded).

Chuck

Original Message:
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From: stephen cutchins stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:07:35 -0800 (PST)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: RE: Daytona 200 Gathering


Is there a Daytona 200 gathering somewhere around DC
to watch the 200 on Sunday?  If so could you please
let me know where, as my cable company doesn't start
showing Speed Channel until after 5.

Does anyone out there with a satellite plan on taping
the races?  If so could I please get a copy?  I MUST
watch all of the races, it's kind of a sickness
really.  600, 750, 250, Supercross, you name it, I go
nuts if I don't get to watch them.  And don't even get
me started on World Superbikes and GP1!!!

--- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
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> Me!  Since it was my idea and I organized it, I
> figure it's probably a good idea if at least I show
> up.  Hopefully, Karen and Marin will be there too
> (but it's right in the middle of Marin's normal nap
> time).
> 
> Chuck
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: LAURA GRANATO lgranato@XXXXXX
> Date: 6 Mar 2002 09:37:42 -0800
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Daytona 200 Gathering
> 
> 
> Who all is planning to go?
> 
> Laura
> 
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From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
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stephen cutchins wrote:

> 12:30 at grevey's in falls church/fairfax area.  I
> have the same
> sickness you do, and no cable right now...

I must have a different sickness.  Daytona is only
about a 12 hour ride down the road, and I've never
seen the races in person yet...  :)

Too bad my weekend is already booked up doing oil
changes on 4-wheelers and other mundane stuff.

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Can I just bitch for a second (dave?)...Until April 30th, I am living in a place that I do not have access to cable on my TV...meaning no racing for me to watch.  

Can I just tell you how annoying that is?  How am I supposed to get my fix?  

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About taping the races, Speed Channel was going to
show the WSB races Sunday morning but has apparently
changed scheduling to race 1 at I think 12:30 and then
race 2 not until Tuesday night, so you might want to
check their website for any more last minute
programming changes before setting the VCR.

And I would love a copy of the tape :)

--- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
wrote:
> Stephen,
> 
> Go to http://www.geocities.com/bikenight for info
> and details.  Apparently, you missed my previous
> post to the list about this event.
> 
> If you are REALLY, REALLY nice to me, i.e., not an
> asswipe like that fuck Gimer %^), I might lend you
> my tape which will have:
> 
> - WSB Spain races 1 and 2
> - Daytona 250GP race
> - Daytona 200 Superbike race
> 
> If I can squeeze the other races onto the tape, I
> will.  But no promises.  Those above are the ones I
> absolutely postively want to have on tape (I'll also
> have them digitally recorded).
> 
> Chuck
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: stephen cutchins stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX
> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:07:35 -0800 (PST)
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: RE: Daytona 200 Gathering
> 
> 
> Is there a Daytona 200 gathering somewhere around DC
> to watch the 200 on Sunday?  If so could you please
> let me know where, as my cable company doesn't start
> showing Speed Channel until after 5.
> 
> Does anyone out there with a satellite plan on
> taping
> the races?  If so could I please get a copy?  I MUST
> watch all of the races, it's kind of a sickness
> really.  600, 750, 250, Supercross, you name it, I
> go
> nuts if I don't get to watch them.  And don't even
> get
> me started on World Superbikes and GP1!!!
> 
> --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX"
> <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
> wrote:
> > Me!  Since it was my idea and I organized it, I
> > figure it's probably a good idea if at least I
> show
> > up.  Hopefully, Karen and Marin will be there too
> > (but it's right in the middle of Marin's normal
> nap
> > time).
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: LAURA GRANATO lgranato@XXXXXX
> > Date: 6 Mar 2002 09:37:42 -0800
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: Daytona 200 Gathering
> >
> >
> > Who all is planning to go?
> >
> > Laura
> >
> >
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--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Too bad my weekend is already booked up doing oil
> changes on 4-wheelers and other mundane stuff.
> 
> Horkster

Hey, my Prairie 650 is due for it's first oil change,
you can come by and do it also while you are at it. :)

I guess I'll do that on Fri since I can't ride, found
a slice in my rear tire. :( Gotta wait the new tire to
come in.

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Never been to the Daytona 200?  Wow, you really should
go.  I have gladly passed on the Bike Week/beach scene
these past few years, but I've been to the 200 seven
years in a row now, and only a wedding in June is
preventing me from going this year.

You just can't beat it - 600 Supersport, 750
Supersport, 125 and 250 Supercross, 250 GP, Pro
Thunder, and a Superbike race that might as well be
three Superbike races it is so long, all on one
glorious weekend!!  Not to mention the vendors, bike
demos (get there way too damned early or forget about
it), and manufacturers showing off their latest and
greatest.

Now I'm depressed :(

--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> stephen cutchins wrote:
> 
> > 12:30 at grevey's in falls church/fairfax area.  I
> > have the same
> > sickness you do, and no cable right now...
> 
> I must have a different sickness.  Daytona is only
> about a 12 hour ride down the road, and I've never
> seen the races in person yet...  :)
> 
> Too bad my weekend is already booked up doing oil
> changes on 4-wheelers and other mundane stuff.
> 
> Horkster
> 
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Well, folks, I'm off to Spain tomorrow for the opening
round of the World Superbike Championship in Valencia!
I won't be checking email tomorrow, however I will
attempt to check it while I'm in Spain if I can find
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LAG rants -
Can I just bitch for a second (dave?)

   <DJY>  Hon, to be a bitch of your stature & proficiency, requires 
DECADES of commitment, countless hours of practice, and graduation 
from the Patricia Ireland school of Hen pecking.  If you were to only 
bitch for a second, it would truly be an event of cosmic 
significance...  ;-)   



...Until April 30th, I am living
in a place that I do not have access to cable on my TV...meaning no
racing for me to watch.

  <DJY>  You got a cage, right ?  Hop down to the local Circuit city 
or Worst Buy & pick up a DSS satellite receiver, drive home, point it 
at the starts & sign up for the Speed channel - it comes in a package 
with the 'Fox sports networks' which replay the Speed Channel races.  

'Problem = Solved'

 

Can I just tell you how annoying that is?  How am I supposed to get 
my fix?  

  <DJY>  MUST.......RESIST......

>:-}> 


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On Wed, 06 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:


> 
>    <DJY>  Hon, to be a bitch of your stature & proficiency, requires 
> DECADES of commitment, countless hours of practice, and graduation 
> from the Patricia Ireland school of Hen pecking.  If you were to only 
> bitch for a second, it would truly be an event of cosmic 
> significance...  ;-)   

Oh, PLEASE come to the daytona 200 gathering on Sunday?  I would so love to just...say hi.

> 
> 
>   <DJY>  You got a cage, right ?  Hop down to the local Circuit city 
> or Worst Buy & pick up a DSS satellite receiver, drive home, point it 
> at the starts & sign up for the Speed channel - it comes in a package 
> with the 'Fox sports networks' which replay the Speed Channel races.  
> 
> 'Problem = Solved'

Just like a man...trying to solve the problem.  Well, HON, it's not that simple.  I'm living in a place that I can't do that right now...end of story. :-)  I'm not blonde...I *do* know how to figure things out myself...I was merely ranting about something I have no control over at the moment.

> 
> Can I just tell you how annoying that is?  How am I supposed to get 
> my fix?  
> 
>   <DJY>  MUST.......RESIST......
> 
Oh, you are such a devil...

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--- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
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> Gimer,
> 
> Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! %^)

heavens!

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Shouldn't that be "Fuck you and the BIKE you rode in on?"  ;-)

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> Gimer,
> 
> Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! %^)
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> Chuck
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> Original Message:
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> > anywhere?
> 
> i think i speak for most of the listers when i request that
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> jordan, chuck pena, etc.
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Please go to the dc-cycles.org website and follow the unsubscribing directions.  Geesssshhhhh...you would have though you would have known that one by now.  ;-)

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> --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
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> > 
> > Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! %^)
> 
> heavens!
> 
> unsubscribe me from this mailing list please
> 
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> > 
> > --- Ulrich Boser <ulrichboser@XXXXXX> wrote:
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> > > anywhere?
> > 
> > i think i speak for most of the listers when i request
> > that
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http://www.blueblackbusa.org/mods/zerogravity/

Installed my ZG Double Bubble tonight.  Looks great, hopefully it will
provide better protection.  I can definately see the gauges better.  I like
the clear over the tinted stocker, too.

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On Monday 04 March 2002 11:39, LAURA GRANATO wrote:
> Just wanted to tell everyone to congratulate Keener and Roach for kicking
> some butt down in Daytona.  I know Roach took third in an endurance race
> and Keener won at least one of his class races.  Way to go boys!

Look for Keener in the 200 (and 750 super-sport?) on his GSXR750, and in Pro 
Thunder on his (shameless plug) SpeedWerks built SV700 this weekend on Speed 
Channel. I don't know what his AMA number is this year, maybe he'll shed some 
light on the subject if he fires up the laptop from his hotel in FL again :)

As for our weekend... we performed some essential destructive engineering 
with the Aprilia Cup bikes. We had 72+ hp on both bikes when we left the shop 
for Daytona (stock cup bikes make 60 - 63hp). At about 150mph on the Daytona 
tri-oval,  both bikes seized both cylinders. YeeeeeHaaaaa. Luckily, both of 
us are skilled two stroke riders (translation: the left hand resides on the 
clutch lever at all times) and no one was thrown from their mounts. 

In the post-mortem at the shop today we determined that basically at 150+ mph 
on the banking, the air was much too turbulent for our carb setup and none of 
it was being ingested. No air combined with non-atomized, raw fuel pouring 
onto hot pistons turns out... rather ugly. They did, however, run like bats 
out of hell in the infield portion of the track before blowing up on the 
banking :) We'll have version 2.0 for VIR in April... hopefully the results 
will be better.

Beyond that little adventure, I was asked to ride an FZR400 in the 
lightweight class for the 200 mile endurance race. I had a lot of fun as well 
as getting 3rd in class, so at least the weekend wasn't entirely a bust :)

- Roach

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I'm sure all of us are guilty of unsafe and inappropriate riding
behavior on public streets no matter how we might go thru contortions
of logic to justify it. Well, here's a very good read on why we need to
individually take a big bite out of the 'chill' pill.

I love this magazine.

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/issues/feb02/injur.htm

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I'm looking for $3,900.
I'm not sure what the seat height is but I'm just under 5-7 and almost flat
footed on it.

I believe its a very good beginner bike, though its a bit heavy. The power
is controllable and the entire package is very confindence inspiring. Its
also not a bike you necessarily grow out of. I've been riding 10 years and
many thousands of miles (cross country, commuting, a bit of track) and will
probably look into buying a new one once I'm settled in again.

Hope this helps.

Niv

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Keiser, Rudy [mailto:HARRY.R.KEISER.II@XXXXXX]
  Sent: Wed, March 06, 2002 3:50 PM
  To: 'rydin@XXXXXX'
  Subject: RE: 97' BMW F650ST


  Hi.  IM-^Rm looking for a first bike for my wife and sheM-^Rs concerned about
seat height.   Do you know how high the seat is?

  How much are you looking to sell it for?



  thanks,

  Rudy Keiser M-^V Reston, VA

  M-^R01 Suzuki SV650



  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 3:31 PM
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  Subject: FS: 97' BMW F650ST



  Ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you... :-)

  Its time to sell. I'm leaving the country VERY shortly and I need to sell
my beloved Beemer.

  Details: Blue 1997' BMW F650ST, approx. 23,000 miles.

  It is well taken care of but has a few scratches. It has a new rear tire
and new chain. Steel braided front brake line, Wudo adjustable brake lever,
heated grips, and a BMW 12V plug. I did most of the work on it myself, I
have all the receipts and records.

  For those not familiar with this bike: Its the street version of the F650
Funduro, about 1" lower suspension with street wheels and tires and a
slightly different look. It has a 1 cylinder Rotax engine. This bike is
great fun. I've ridden it as a commuter and as a tourer. Really friendly,
lots of fun, and very comfortable.

  You can view the bike at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album

  Contact me by email at rydin@XXXXXX or by phone at 301-585-0104.

  I'll be out of town this weekend but I'll try and check my email anyway.
I'll be back Sunday evening.

  Niv




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Damn Hork!  You're making impressive time if Daytona is a 12 hour ride for
you!

--chris





Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> on 03/06/2002 03:52:05 PM





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--snip--

I must have a different sickness.  Daytona is only
about a 12 hour ride down the road, and I've never
seen the races in person yet...  :)



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On Thursday 07 March 2002 08:57, you wrote:
> Damn Hork!  You're making impressive time if Daytona is a 12 hour ride for
> you!
>

Actually... that's a pretty easy time to make.  From my old house in 
Alexandria it's 780 miles to the track in Daytona. If you average just over 
60mph including fuel stops (Easy to do since the speed limit all the way down 
is now 65 or 70), you're there in 12 hours no sweat. We make the run from 
here in DE dragging a 5000lbs trailer in just over 14.

- Roach

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Ride fast, die young ... leave a good looking corpse! %^)

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From: matthew patton pattonme@XXXXXX
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:10:09 -0800 (PST)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: The danger of riding dangerously on the street


I'm sure all of us are guilty of unsafe and inappropriate riding
behavior on public streets no matter how we might go thru contortions
of logic to justify it. Well, here's a very good read on why we need to
individually take a big bite out of the 'chill' pill.

I love this magazine.

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/issues/feb02/injur.htm

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I think I speak for most of the listers when I say ...

GOOD RIDDANCE! %^)

Now go away or I will taunt you a second time.

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> Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! %^)

heavens!

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On Thursday 07 March 2002 09:11, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote:
> Ride fast, die young ... leave a good looking corpse! %^)

I didn't know they did post-mortem plastic surgeory, Chuck. You must have a 
good mortician lined up! :D

::duck::

- Roach

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Hey Roach!

Were the pics of the rider down next to the wall at Road Atlanta you?

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On Thursday 07 March 2002 09:11, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote:
> Ride fast, die young ... leave a good looking corpse! %^)

I didn't know they did post-mortem plastic surgeory, Chuck. You must have a 
good mortician lined up! :D

::duck::

- Roach

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On Thursday 07 March 2002 09:32, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote:
> Hey Roach!
>
> Were the pics of the rider down next to the wall at Road Atlanta you?

Nope. That was, however, our WERA endurance B-team bike at the 2001 GNF. The 
rider's name is Kenny and he was unhurt due to the airfence, which was very 
cool. 

- Roach

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From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
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Anyone here interested in seeing a valve adjustment
done on a Concours?  Screw-and-locknut valves on an
older Japanese inline 4-cylinder engine, I imagine
some other bikes out there might be similar.  Let
me know offlist if you are interested.

Hork
-- 
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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:12:35 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
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Hi all,

Sorry for the extreme short notice, but I'll
be doing a valve adjustment on the wife's bike
this Saturday.  Weather in Northern Virginia
looks to be wonderful on Saturday, so if anyone
in the general area is interested in seeing the
procedure done first hand, ping me off list for
directions to my place.

It should only take a few hours, and if I've got
time to spare, I'll also be experimenting with
the plastic welder and some makeshift upper fairing
repair.  Joy, joy.  :)

Hork
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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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Hork,

You want to use mine for your demonstration? I don't mind... ;^)

Perry

>From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
>To: DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Subject: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation]
>Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:19:08 -0500
>
>Anyone here interested in seeing a valve adjustment
>done on a Concours?  Screw-and-locknut valves on an
>older Japanese inline 4-cylinder engine, I imagine
>some other bikes out there might be similar.  Let
>me know offlist if you are interested.
>
>Hork
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$3,900. :-)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX]
  Sent: Wed, March 06, 2002 7:33 PM
  To: rydin@XXXXXX
  Subject: Re: 97' BMW F650ST


  And what would we be looking to receive for this paragon of motorcycle
engineering?

  Michael J.

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    Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 15:31
    Subject: FS: 97' BMW F650ST


    Ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you... :-)

    Its time to sell. I'm leaving the country VERY shortly and I need to
sell my beloved Beemer.

    Details: Blue 1997' BMW F650ST, approx. 23,000 miles.

    It is well taken care of but has a few scratches. It has a new rear tire
and new chain. Steel braided front brake line, Wudo adjustable brake lever,
heated grips, and a BMW 12V plug. I did most of the work on it myself, I
have all the receipts and records.

    For those not familiar with this bike: Its the street version of the
F650 Funduro, about 1" lower suspension with street wheels and tires and a
slightly different look. It has a 1 cylinder Rotax engine. This bike is
great fun. I've ridden it as a commuter and as a tourer. Really friendly,
lots of fun, and very comfortable.

    You can view the bike at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album

    Contact me by email at rydin@XXXXXX or by phone at 301-585-0104.

    I'll be out of town this weekend but I'll try and check my email anyway.
I'll be back Sunday evening.

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Dale,

Yeah, I was just going to mention, you may want to do a (MY) VFR because of
the sheer number of us present on the list.. But Perry beat me to the
punch...

Brian
99 VFR

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] 
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:19 AM
To: DC Cycles List
Subject: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation]


Anyone here interested in seeing a valve adjustment
done on a Concours?  Screw-and-locknut valves on an
older Japanese inline 4-cylinder engine, I imagine
some other bikes out there might be similar.  Let
me know offlist if you are interested.

Hork
-- 
Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX

Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)

Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dale,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yeah, I was just going to mention, you may want to do =
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Perry beat me to the punch...</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>99 VFR</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:19 AM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Anyone here interested in seeing a valve =
adjustment</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>done on a Concours?&nbsp; Screw-and-locknut valves =
on an</FONT>
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imagine</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>some other bikes out there might be similar.&nbsp; =
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</P>

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi </FONT>
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I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and it may become a
regular thing.  Does the College Park campus have dedicated MC parking?
Most college worth their salt do.  I see MC spots here and there but I can't
tell if you need permits to park there.

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Well, "shim under bucket" rules on the later VFRs.  My old Interceptor has
threaded adjusters.  Wanna tackle that one, Dale?

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
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> Dale,
>
> Yeah, I was just going to mention, you may want to do a (MY) VFR because
of
> the sheer number of us present on the list.. But Perry beat me to the
> punch...
>
> Brian
> 99 VFR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:19 AM
> To: DC Cycles List
> Subject: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation]
>
>
> Anyone here interested in seeing a valve adjustment
> done on a Concours?  Screw-and-locknut valves on an
> older Japanese inline 4-cylinder engine, I imagine
> some other bikes out there might be similar.  Let
> me know offlist if you are interested.
>
> Hork


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From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
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> "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote:
> 
> Dale,
> 
> Yeah, I was just going to mention, you may want to do a (MY) VFR because
> of the sheer number of us present on the list.. But Perry beat me to the
> punch...

Oh well, it wouldn't matter, V-4 maintenance tasks frighten me.  :)

My cams are staying put, thankyouverymuch... :)

Hork
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Paul Wilson wrote:
> 
> Well, "shim under bucket" rules on the later VFRs.  My old Interceptor has
> threaded adjusters.  Wanna tackle that one, Dale?

NNBHN.  :)

Really, threaded adjusters on the older 'ceptors?  I thought
that was just a magna/sabre thing.

While I lust for hydraulic valves on my next sport tourer,
threaded adjusters aren't too bad.  Shims hold their clearances
longer, but are a real PITA to actually adjust.

Hork, trying to keep my life shim-free

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Paul,

I'm not sure if they do for visitors, but they do have motorcycle only 
permit parking.  I know this because one afternoon a couple years ago, a 
buddy of mine wanted to ride up there to get a UMD sweatshirt at the student 
union building.

We parked across the street where a line of other bikes were.  We didn't see 
a sign or any decals on the bikes, so we figured it was safe.  No less than 
15 minutes later, we were back at the bikes and guess what was there?  
That's right, a ticket for parking without a permit.  The sign was on the 
building behind us in the midst of some overgrown trees; and campus security 
must have been hiding in the bushes.  Nice.  Anyway, lesson learned.

Depending on how often you need to go there, you might want to get a visitor 
pass or permit just to be safe.

Rob
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From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
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Subject: MC parking at U.Md.?
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:09 -0500

I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and it may become a
regular thing.  Does the College Park campus have dedicated MC parking?
Most college worth their salt do.  I see MC spots here and there but I can't
tell if you need permits to park there.

Paul in DC
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An MC permit is required to park in the (amazingly ample) MC spots.  At
least where I need to be, there are a lot of spots right by the building,
and it seems that they are fairly common all over campus.  I don't know how
rigorously they check, but if it's anything like their parking police,
they're thorough...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
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> I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and it may become a
> regular thing.  Does the College Park campus have dedicated MC parking?
> Most college worth their salt do.  I see MC spots here and there but I
can't
> tell if you need permits to park there.
>
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR - 86 VF500F
>


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Brian Roach wrote:
> 
> On Thursday 07 March 2002 08:57, you wrote:
> > Damn Hork!  You're making impressive time if Daytona is a 12 hour ride for
> > you!
> >
> Actually... that's a pretty easy time to make.  From my old house in
> Alexandria it's 780 miles to the track in Daytona. If you average just over
> 60mph including fuel stops (Easy to do since the speed limit all the way down
> is now 65 or 70), you're there in 12 hours no sweat. 

I'll admit that's keeping up a pretty hard pace (BBG pace) no stops except 
to exchange fluids (bike and bladder), but yeah, 12 hours is do-able.
Maybe not pleasant, but do-able.  

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when i went there, permits were required... and, apparently
(as rob has shown us) parking enforcement is as vigorous
now as it was back then

purchase a visitor's pass (which likely could be had for
the price of one ticket)...


--- Rob Keiser <robkeiser@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> I'm not sure if they do for visitors, but they do have
> motorcycle only 
> permit parking.  I know this because one afternoon a
> couple years ago, a 
> buddy of mine wanted to ride up there to get a UMD
> sweatshirt at the student 
> union building.
> 
> We parked across the street where a line of other bikes
> were.  We didn't see 
> a sign or any decals on the bikes, so we figured it was
> safe.  No less than 
> 15 minutes later, we were back at the bikes and guess
> what was there?  
> That's right, a ticket for parking without a permit.  The
> sign was on the 
> building behind us in the midst of some overgrown trees;
> and campus security 
> must have been hiding in the bushes.  Nice.  Anyway,
> lesson learned.
> 
> Depending on how often you need to go there, you might
> want to get a visitor 
> pass or permit just to be safe.
> 
> Rob
> '98 VFR800
> 
> 
> From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> To: "dc-cycles list" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: MC parking at U.Md.?
> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:09 -0500
> 
> I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and
> it may become a
> regular thing.  Does the College Park campus have
> dedicated MC parking?
> Most college worth their salt do.  I see MC spots here
> and there but I can't
> tell if you need permits to park there.


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it sounds to me like some folks are comparing riding to
daytona with driving to daytona.... and they're not easily
comparable




--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Brian Roach wrote:
> > 
> > On Thursday 07 March 2002 08:57, you wrote:
> > > Damn Hork!  You're making impressive time if Daytona
> is a 12 hour ride for
> > > you!
> > >
> > Actually... that's a pretty easy time to make.  From my
> old house in
> > Alexandria it's 780 miles to the track in Daytona. If
> you average just over
> > 60mph including fuel stops (Easy to do since the speed
> limit all the way down
> > is now 65 or 70), you're there in 12 hours no sweat. 
> 
> I'll admit that's keeping up a pretty hard pace (BBG
> pace) no stops except 
> to exchange fluids (bike and bladder), but yeah, 12 hours
> is do-able.
> Maybe not pleasant, but do-able.  


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Horstman" <horkster@XXXXXX>
To: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
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Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:18 PM
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> Paul Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Well, "shim under bucket" rules on the later VFRs.  My old Interceptor
has
> > threaded adjusters.  Wanna tackle that one, Dale?
>
> NNBHN.  :)
>
> Really, threaded adjusters on the older 'ceptors?  I thought
> that was just a magna/sabre thing.
>
Yup, so do the pre-1990 VFRs.  Some people call those the golden years:
geared cam drive + threaded adjusters.

Could you clean, lube and adjust my chain too for me when I come over, I'd
sure appreciate it.  And don't get grease all over the bike.  I'll bring a
book to read while you do all this.  :)

I already missed the season's first VFR shim changing party.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F



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--- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:
> it sounds to me like some folks are comparing riding
> to
> daytona with driving to daytona.... and they're not
> easily
> comparable
> 

I agree completely!  Daytona by car in 12 hours is
about right, Daytona by motorcycle in 12 hours is
rough unless you're on a Gold Wing.


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On Thu, 07 March 2002, stephen cutchins wrote:
> > 
> 
> I agree completely!  Daytona by car in 12 hours is
> about right, Daytona by motorcycle in 12 hours is
> rough unless you're on a Gold Wing.

OK, boys, you're turning my thread into something it isn't supposed to be! :)  I just wanted to know who is going to come party with me on Sunday and watch some racing!!!!

Laura


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Tom & I are planning on coming, as long as the puppies
don't explode or anything. ;-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX> wrote:
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> is going to come party with me on Sunday and watch
> some racing!!!!
> 
> Laura
> 
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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 18:41:22 -0500
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yep thanks hugh and chirs.

Tha'ts what i was talking about.


 Danny

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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: "Eric Silberg" <ersilberg@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 18:58:29 -0500
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:27:26 -0500, you wrote:

|>Maximum breaking occurs when you settle the bike, adjust the weight bias
|>with your body, then hit a brick wall.  Oh wait, you said braking.
|>Disregard...

hmm what if we had a big enough parachute to deploy and expand out the
bag of a bike and a one for a rider...

or maybe reverse rocket type thrusters... hmmm

I'll let some of the more educated folks expound on these academic
hypothesis...

"couldn't teh bike stop immediately then" ?   : )


Hey it would beat hitting a train or brick wall wouldnt' it? :)

From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar  7 19:09:57 2002
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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: <sdave@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:12:59 -0500
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|>It's my opinion that use of the back brake under emergency braking
|>will cause the bike to sway and wobble and be unsettled,  (and of
|>course possibly low side)
|>   <DJY>  How so ?  

Just been my experience. I suppose the rear wheel dragging.

|>where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by
|>removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight
|>and even.
|>
|>
|>   <DJY>  If your front wheel takes 'over 100% of the braking force' 
|>that would be a front wheel skid.  

"take over"  not "over 100%"  ,  100% as in "all".. take over all of
the braking force.. oh nevermind see now you're just lawyering!
you bastard! <g>

|>  <DJY> Use an infrequently travelled road, or a store parking lot 
|>before anyone gets there...
|>
|>Dave  

Hmm isn't the first suggesting technically a crime under some vague
law?  you of all people should be ashamed of yourself! oh wait you
probably have no shame <G>


Danny
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pretend i have witty banter here

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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:13:58 -0500
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:52:19 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

|>I realize the original topic has been largely discarded, but if you
|>will all turn to your handy-dandy, multi-year MCN index you will find
|>on P.34 of the March 2000 issue a very well written article with
|>scientific, and physics based explanation of what is going on. And not
|>some hearsay or enlightened opinion.

I don't suppose you or anyone could enlighted us who are within the
heathen masses?

From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar  7 19:23:27 2002
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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:26:29 -0500
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|>	Minimum stopping distance is achieved by using both
|>brakes. You should apply the rear brake first to settle the
|>bike an make it squat. Then apply the front brake. If you don't
|>agree with me you're a freaking MORON!
|>
|>No thanks necessary just send money,
|>Hugh

Is that what keith code and his likes teach, or are they morons? :)

I don't really quite get the whole "use the rear brake to compress the
front end business."   granted on non sportbikes the rear brake will
do more for you.. but the discussion is about sport bikes.

You can use the front brake to do the front end compression and then
with the same concentration apply more brakes or less and regulate. 

Which seems to me would be a whole lot more effective (and timely)
than trying to  concentrate on  using the right  amount of rear brake,
and concentrate on lettting off the rear brake along with using the
front brake.

you should probably be concentrating on the front brake and your ETA
time/distance upon impact and amount of front brake use.

So maybe the MSF is full of hoooey.  Show me their studies.. their
computer generated specs, their live tests. Just because their an
organization doens't mean we should accept thier conclusions without
seeing their work of how they came to their conclusions.

Danny
bike rider, moron, extroidinare :)

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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Shipping a Motor?
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:34:04 -0500
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I sold an F3 motor once.  I don't remember the destination, but i
believe it was midwest or southern midwest.  I strapped it to a pallet
(as required) and shipped it for all of 75 bux if i recall correctly.

I believe I used united van lines.

Somewhere I had obtained a crate to fit over the engine, and I put
that on t here too, I guess for more stability. I dont' exactly
recall.  Hmm where did I get that crate anyway? I remeber  girl..
oh yea and my friend picked it up for me in VA.. since he works out
there.

I got a pallet from driving through the warehouses and stopped and
asked a guy who worked there if I could have 1.

Even if my memory is off, I don't think it was more than $150.

hmm i wonder if i filed the reciept away...  hmm and i remember some
email correspondance.. maybe i ahve a copy of that.. 

Anyway, do you need me to try to find that info for you or is that a
good enough head start?


Danny

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:58:02 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

|>I'm having a motorcycle motor shipped from California
|>to here, and seller says it's turning out to cost much
|>more than originally planned ($300 rather than
|>$100-120). This seems like far too much and I'm going
|>to see if I can't find a cheaper way to ship it than
|>the seller has found.
|>
|>Has anyone found an inexpensive way to ship small
|>heavy containers such as this?
|>
|>Thanks,
|>Chris Weaver
|>
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From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar  7 19:45:52 2002
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:46:23 -0500
From: Lisa Goddard <lisagoddard@XXXXXX>
Subject: Niv's bike for sale
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Hi Harry,

speaking on behalf of Niv I think his bike might be a good choice for your
wife.  I am a shade under 5 feet 6 inches and his bike works well for me.
BMW's also have fantastic ground clearance for the ocasional curb hopping.
It's a good, durable bike with luggage to haul lots of stuff around.  You
might want to check it out.

Lisa Goddard
'95 VFR with Givi to haul lots of stuff around



Hope this helps.

Niv

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Keiser, Rudy [mailto:HARRY.R.KEISER.II@XXXXXX]
  Sent: Wed, March 06, 2002 3:50 PM
  To: 'rydin@XXXXXX'
  Subject: RE: 97' BMW F650ST



  Hi.  IM-^Rm looking for a first bike for my wife and sheM-^Rs concerned about
seat height.   Do you know how high the seat is?

  How much are you looking to sell it for?



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Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw
someone do it yesterday.  I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left on
18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks.
I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside
it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic.  I suspect
that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable.  

Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal?

Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches.  Also,
lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street), and
other cars on the right.

Thanks in advance,
Mike

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I'm the proud owner of a VFR840 now, so my '94 VFR750 is up for sale.
Details and photos available at 
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I'll throw in my "stone age GPS"  aka enduro roll chart holder for free.

David "Routemeister" Thompson


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That's a new one on me.  I'm sure it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk,
under power or not.  I'd filter or lane split before I did that.  I can't
see the cops being very tolerant of riding on the sidewalk.

Paul in DC
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> Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw
> someone do it yesterday.  I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left
on
> 18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks.
> I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside
> it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic.  I
suspect
> that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable.
>
> Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal?
>
> Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches.  Also,
> lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street),
and
> other cars on the right.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike
>



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Don't know if it's legal, but ain't no way my skinny butt is pushing my 750#
Hawg for a block and a half!

Bill

Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX wrote:

> Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw
> someone do it yesterday.  I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left on
> 18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks.
> I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside
> it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic.  I suspect
> that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable.
>
> Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal?
>
> Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches.  Also,
> lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street), and
> other cars on the right.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike
>
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Whats all this talk about 'valve adjustments'?
Does it by any chance have anything to do with adjustable pushrods?


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Danny baits -

|>   <DJY>  If your front wheel takes 'over 100% of the braking force'
|>that would be a front wheel skid.

"take over"  not "over 100%"  ,  100% as in "all".. take over all of
the braking force.. oh nevermind see now you're just lawyering!
you bastard! <g>


	<DJY>  Oh yeah... well... you're....  GIMERING ! So there!  ;-)


|>  <DJY> Use an infrequently travelled road, or a store parking lot
|>before anyone gets there...
|>
|>Dave

Hmm isn't the first suggesting technically a crime under some vague
law?  you of all people should be ashamed of yourself! oh wait you
probably have no shame <G>


	<DJY>  Not at all, so long as you're not riding stupidly.  and for the
purposes of braking exercises, you don't need to.  Just go to DC to do
your panic brake exercises, their traffic is a free for all...  just
remember to use the sidewalks ;-)


Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
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Bruce Brownlee wrote:

> Whats all this talk about 'valve adjustments'?
> Does it by any chance have anything to do with adjustable pushrods?

Nah, I think it's when you have to wonk the tappet housing with a hammer
to loosen up a stuck lifter.  Got my Gen-Yew-Wine H-D hammer fer that...

Bill


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Bruce Brownlee wrote:
> 
> Whats all this talk about 'valve adjustments'?
> Does it by any chance have anything to do with adjustable pushrods?

Go back into your hole, you...  :)  <just kidding>

Hork
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 Thats rather interesting. I went to UMD for 2.5 years and only had a permit the 1st year. As long as I was parked in the MC parking I never got a ticket. NEVER.
 
Niv
BMW F650ST <-- For Sale if you haven't heard
  Rob Keiser <robkeiser@XXXXXX> wrote: Paul,

I'm not sure if they do for visitors, but they do have motorcycle only 
permit parking. I know this because one afternoon a couple years ago, a 
buddy of mine wanted to ride up there to get a UMD sweatshirt at the student 
union building.

We parked across the street where a line of other bikes were. We didn't see 
a sign or any decals on the bikes, so we figured it was safe. No less than 
15 minutes later, we were back at the bikes and guess what was there? 
That's right, a ticket for parking without a permit. The sign was on the 
building behind us in the midst of some overgrown trees; and campus security 
must have been hiding in the bushes. Nice. Anyway, lesson learned.

Depending on how often you need to go there, you might want to get a visitor 
pass or permit just to be safe.

Rob
'98 VFR800


From: "Paul Wilson" 

To: "dc-cycles list" 
Subject: MC parking at U.Md.?
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:09 -0500

I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and it may become a
regular thing. Does the College Park campus have dedicated MC parking?
Most college worth their salt do. I see MC spots here and there but I can't
tell if you need permits to park there.

Paul in DC
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<P> Thats rather interesting. I went to UMD for 2.5 years and only had a permit the 1st year. As long as I was parked in the MC parking I never got a ticket. NEVER.
<P>&nbsp;
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Paul,<BR><BR>I'm not sure if they do for visitors, but they do have motorcycle only <BR>permit parking. I know this because one afternoon a couple years ago, a <BR>buddy of mine wanted to ride up there to get a UMD sweatshirt at the student <BR>union building.<BR><BR>We parked across the street where a line of other bikes were. We didn't see <BR>a sign or any decals on the bikes, so we figured it was safe. No less than <BR>15 minutes later, we were back at the bikes and guess what was there? <BR>That's right, a ticket for parking without a permit. The sign was on the <BR>building behind us in the midst of some overgrown trees; and campus security <BR>must have been hiding in the bushes. Nice. Anyway, lesson learned.<BR><BR>Depending on how often you need to go there, you might want to get a visitor <BR>pass or permit just to be safe.<BR><BR>Rob<BR>'98 VFR800<BR><BR><BR>From: "Paul Wilson" <PAWILSON@XXXXXX><BR>To: "dc-cycles list" <DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX><BR>Subject: MC parking at U.Md.?<BR>Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:09 -0500<BR><BR>I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and it may become a<BR>regular thing. Does the College Park campus have dedicated MC parking?<BR>Most college worth their salt do. I see MC spots here and there but I can't<BR>tell if you need permits to park there.<BR><BR>Paul in DC<BR>95 VFR - 86 VF500F<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
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How much was it?  throttle locks are nice.






Danny

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At 12:02 AM 3/7/02 -0500, you wrote:
>How much was it?  throttle locks are nice.

$105 from AZ Motorsports.  Got to test it out on the commute to/from work
yesterday.  Combined with my new ZG Double Bubble windscreen, I feel like
I'm driving a rocket powered Gold Wing  :-)

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Excellent and creative!  Yes, riding on the sidewalk would be highly illegal.  Walking the bike (perhaps even walking it under power if it's a quiet bike) sounds like a creative solution to cagers causing yet another gridlock.

Chris Norloff


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:21:27 -0500

>Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw
>someone do it yesterday.  I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left on
>18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks.
>I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside
>it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic.  I suspect
>that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable.  
>
>Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal?
>
>Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches.  Also,
>lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street), and
>other cars on the right.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Mike
>
>

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They do run a shuttle bus from the nearby metro station. That would eliminate 
the parking problem. And my brief experience with them is that like most 
universities they are assholes about parking.
But I am not bitter!


John.
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX

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Couldn't tell you whether it was legal or not but, it's certainly a different approach.  Might have to try it one day.  :-)

Scooter

In a message dated Thu, 7 Mar 2002  8:17:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX writes:

> Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw
> someone do it yesterday.  I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left on
> 18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks.
> I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside
> it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic.  I suspect
> that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable.  
> 
> Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal?
> 
> Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches.  Also,
> lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street), and
> other cars on the right.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike



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According to Michael, he wasn't riding it on the sidewalk.  He was walking beside it.  I know there was a discussion recently regarding m/c parking that was only accessible by going across the sidewalk.  I would think this would be similar.  If mopeds and bicyclists are allowed on the sidewalks, I can't see why a motorcycle being pushed would be any different.  Just my .03. <-- inflation.  :-)

Scooter

In a message dated Thu, 7 Mar 2002  8:34:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX> writes:

> That's a new one on me.  I'm sure it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk,
> under power or not.  I'd filter or lane split before I did that.  I can't
> see the cops being very tolerant of riding on the sidewalk.
> 
> Paul in DC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX>
> To: <DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: DC traffic question
> 
> 
> > Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw
> > someone do it yesterday.  I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left
> on
> > 18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks.
> > I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside
> > it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic.  I
> suspect
> > that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable.
> >
> > Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal?
> >
> > Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches.  Also,
> > lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street),
> and
> > other cars on the right.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Mike
> >



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You got their website?  Throttlemeister's website lists them at $130 for my R6.  $147 if I want the larger unit.

Scooter

In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002  6:55:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX> writes:

> At 12:02 AM 3/7/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >How much was it?  throttle locks are nice.
> 
> $105 from AZ Motorsports.  Got to test it out on the commute to/from work
> yesterday.  Combined with my new ZG Double Bubble windscreen, I feel like
> I'm driving a rocket powered Gold Wing  :-)
> 
> -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/



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From: Shawn Brand <shawn.brand@XXXXXX>
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I'd like to get a smoked aftermarket wind screen for my Super Hawk and it's
down to the Zero Gravity double bubble or the Lockhart-Phillips euro
speedscreen. They both provide better wind deflection than the stock screen.
Any major difference in quality or protection?

Shawn


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I have sort of been sitting on this trying to decide whether to send it or 
not, obviously I decided to send it, it is long and if you have no desire to 
continue the braking thread <delete now>

Motorcycle accident reports show that most accident involved motorcyclists 
did not know how to turn, swerve or BRAKE. As long as we have new riders on 
this list, including lurkers who may not even have bikes yet it is important 
to give them correct information on riding, like how to turn, swerve, and 
BRAKE.

A couple of things have been added to the discussion since I hammered this 
into my magic box so I will try to deal with them first.

>  You can use the front brake to do the front end compression and then
>  with the same concentration apply more brakes or less and regulate. 
>  Which seems to me would be a whole lot more effective (and timely)
>   than trying to  concentrate on  using the right  amount of rear brake,

We are not talking about the easiest way to stop, requiring the least skill. 
We are talking about saving your ass in an emergency, and that requires the 
fastest stop your _bike_ is capable of. 
As for sport bikes I do understand that under ideal conditions they can stop 
very quickly with the front brake only... I do not give a damn... Ideal 
conditions are rare at best, we are often on rain, oil, sand, coolant, 
squirrel guts and lord knows what else where skidding the front wheel is a 
very real possibility and 100% weight transfer is impossible. The only way to 
have the reflexes and skill to use both brakes under less then ideal 
conditions in an emergency is to use them every time, sport bike or not.

>  So maybe the MSF is full of hoooey.  Show me their studies.. their
>  computer generated specs, their live tests.

The testing _was_ done and it has been done by others since then. The results 
are available to anyone and if I can find my info on them I will send it 
along, but I am sure that it will not matter, someone will say "that was not  
this years bike" or sumsuch. The point is that testing was done with 
recording instruments and riders of various skill levels and the fastest 
stops were with both brakes as I have described.
The MSF curriculum was not created by a bunch of guys sitting around a table 
going "what do you think?" ALL of it is based on the best test and report 
data available at the time, and has been updated repeatedly over time to 
reflect new or more complete data. 

Anyhow...

In a message dated 3/5/2002 10:11:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
lgranato@XXXXXX writes:

> I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track at 
VIR,
>  I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest choice IN 
THAT 
> SITUATION...therefore, I crashed.

Exactly my point, you do not use the rear brake therefore you did not have 
the _reflexes_ to use it when you needed it.

> You need to figure out what is best for 
> the situation you are in at the time.  

Indeed true again, but you then must have the skill to execute your decision. 
No practice, no skill. That is why you must use both brakes every time. (On 
the street! The race track is another world that does not translate all that 
well to this world.)


>  I will say, from my riding experience...MSF is NOT correct in everything 
they teach.  

True again. BUT MSF is correct on this point, and I back that statement with 
about a half a *million* miles of _street_ riding.

>  as your riding progresses, the theories of riding change and how you apply 
your skills.
 
The theories of riding (the physics of riding) do not change, your skills do.

Full application of the front brake before weight transfer will result in a 
locked front wheel.
Full application of the rear brake after the weight has transferred will 
result in a locked rear wheel.
In other words for full braking you _must _increase pressure on the front 
brake while decreasing pressure on the rear as the weight transfers. No 
matter how skilled you get you cannot break the laws of physics.


Testing has shown that even those of us who use both brakes "simultaneously" 
in fact apply the rear first, braking begins a fraction of a second 
sooner---often the difference between "Kissing" a bumper and smashing into 
it. In addition not using the rear brake *delays* the weight transfer, the 
result being that you cannot apply full front braking as early.

When I first began riding the old wives tale was "Do not use the front brake, 
you will crash."
The current age impaired domestic partners tale seems to be "Do not use the 
rear brake, you will crash."
They are both equally wrong.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European 
      is now necessary {and I still like it.})
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer


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what is "better" wind deflection?  be careful that you
don't make your riding experience worse.  wind in the chest
is MUCH better than wind in the face.

i've owned 4-5 zero gravity shields..... and have never had
a single problem with fit, finish or function


--- Shawn Brand <shawn.brand@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I'd like to get a smoked aftermarket wind screen for my
> Super Hawk and it's
> down to the Zero Gravity double bubble or the
> Lockhart-Phillips euro
> speedscreen. They both provide better wind deflection
> than the stock screen.
> Any major difference in quality or protection?


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--- Dave Yates <sdave@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Danny baits -
> 
> |>   <DJY>  If your front wheel takes 'over 100% of the
> braking force'
> |>that would be a front wheel skid.
> 
> "take over"  not "over 100%"  ,  100% as in "all".. take
> over all of
> the braking force.. oh nevermind see now you're just
> lawyering!
> you bastard! <g>
> 
> 
> 	<DJY>  Oh yeah... well... you're....  GIMERING ! So
> there!  ;-)

i've heard my name used as an expletive before, which was
somewhat inspiring.

it seems that now i've sunken to the level of a lowly
verb....  doesn't that suck.


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my unsubscribe request went unanswered.  rather than press
the issue, i think i'll stay.  besides, who would be left
to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag handles the
racers)


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Is anyone interested in going on a evening ride through the city or somewhere interesting?  Tonight and Sunday will be the only chances I get to ride this weekend.

Sue


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At 10:38 AM 3/8/2002, you wrote:
>my unsubscribe request went unanswered.  rather than press
>the issue, i think i'll stay.  besides, who would be left
>to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag handles the
>racers)

You may have anything in the fridge and $15 for the evening.  $3/hr if we 
go after 10pm.  No pay per view.


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	Possibly, what's the plan?

Hugh

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote:

> Is anyone interested in going on a evening ride through the city or somewhere interesting?  Tonight and Sunday will be the only chances I get to ride this weekend.
> 
> Sue
> 


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On Fri, 08 March 2002, Tom Gimer wrote:

> 
> my unsubscribe request went unanswered.  rather than press
> the issue, i think i'll stay.  besides, who would be left
> to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag handles the
> racers)
> 
> 
> --
> tg
> 

I don't discriminate racer vs. non-racer...I will take care of all riders alike...but if you want to volunteer for that slot, I'll give it to you. :-)

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--- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> At 10:38 AM 3/8/2002, you wrote:
> >my unsubscribe request went unanswered.  rather than
> >press the issue, i think i'll stay.  besides, who would
> >be left to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag
> >handles the racers)
> 
> You may have anything in the fridge and $15 for the
> evening.  $3/hr if we go after 10pm.  No pay per view.

hide your dirty undies.  i'm a sniffer.  ;)



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Which city?  I wouldn't mind going for a nice relaxed evening ride tonight.  Keep me posted.

Scooter

In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:12:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, LakeSueE@XXXXXX writes:

> Is anyone interested in going on a evening ride through the city or somewhere interesting?  Tonight and Sunday will be the only chances I get to ride this weekend.
> 
> Sue



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OK.  That's more than we needed to know about you Gimer.  ;-)

Scooter

In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:49:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> writes:

> --- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > At 10:38 AM 3/8/2002, you wrote:
> > >my unsubscribe request went unanswered.  rather than
> > >press the issue, i think i'll stay.  besides, who would
> > >be left to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag
> > >handles the racers)
> > 
> > You may have anything in the fridge and $15 for the
> > evening.  $3/hr if we go after 10pm.  No pay per view.
> 
> hide your dirty undies.  i'm a sniffer.  ;)
> 
> 
> 
> --
> tg
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TG,

What the hell does it take to get you the f--k off this list???  My foot up your ass?  Don't let the door hit you on the way out. %^)

CP

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Shawn,

I'd don't know anything about the LP's, but I'm very happy with my ZG DB on 
my VFR.  Fit, finish, and tint are all very well done.  IMHO.

The only drawback, is that the bubble's curve is too great to place the 
Smart Tag I used to have mounted on my OEM screen.  Not an issue currently 
since I no longer work in VA, but something to mention.

Rob
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I'd like to get a smoked aftermarket wind screen for my Super Hawk and it's
down to the Zero Gravity double bubble or the Lockhart-Phillips euro
speedscreen. They both provide better wind deflection than the stock screen.
Any major difference in quality or protection?

Shawn



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She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are looking to buy a house... and I saw some
pretty nice bikes arranged around Cheverly, MD. Any listers live in
Cheverly? If so, could you contact me off-list? I'd like to pick your
brains about the neighborhood.

Thanks,

Fish.
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Paul suggested these rides for tonight and I have ridden them all before but would like company if anyone is interested.  We could meet in DC or whereever.

Paul: You could come down the GW Pkwy. to Old Town.  Lots of bikes down at the
waterfront on warm nights.  You could continue down the GW to the traffic
circle at Mount Vernon.  A ride up Beach Drive through the park could be
nice, just watch out for the Bambis.  Hains Point too.



sue



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sure  i'm available  what's the plan


dan  DC/crystal city



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>Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:30:08 -0500 (EST)
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>
>	Possibly, what's the plan?
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>Hugh
>
>On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote:
>
> > Is anyone interested in going on a evening ride through the city or 
>somewhere interesting?  Tonight and Sunday will be the only chances I get 
>to ride this weekend.
> >
> > Sue
> >
>




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I am also interested, a final post stating time and location, once decisions
are made, would help a lot.
Thanks,
Mike

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First responder Glenn Dysart carted off the free stuff.  This was stuff
I actually tripped over, wait unitl I start in with the serious cleanout
for more free stuff!

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Fish asks -
She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are looking to buy a house... and I saw 
some pretty nice bikes arranged around Cheverly, MD. Any listers live 
in Cheverly? If so, could you contact me off-list? I'd like to pick 
your brains about the neighborhood.  MD has higher motor vehicle 
theft rates than VA, but PG county in particular is a bad place for 
theft, and bike theft especially.  IMHO, there are way too many other 
viable places to live that are safer, cheaper, lower taxes, better 
quality neighborhoods, and just plain nicer to live.  

HTH

Dave


  <DJY>  While I am not a MD resident, nor do I play one on this 
list, I there for most of my life, and my grandparents lived in 
Cheverly.  If you saw a bunch of nice bikes there, I'll bet at least 
one was stolen.  Probably a few...  Cheverly used to be a really nice 
place, but it has gone rapidly down hill, and the surrounding areas 
aren't exactly great neighborhoods.  


Thanks,

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

> MD has higher motor vehicle theft rates than VA, but PG county in
> particular is a bad place for theft, and bike theft especially.

That may well be true, but sadly we're pretty much tied to PG County for
geographical reasons (SWMBO works at Ft. Meade, I work in Alexandria) --
so we'd like to stay pretty close to 295.

Given the close-to-295, close-to-DC, low-crime theme here, any good
bike-friendly towns to look into? I may as well throw yet another crazy
unattainable variable into the mix...

Fish.
thanks for the response, dave


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Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html


1999 VFR 800
Northern VA/Washington DC


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i have a euro speedscreen. i like it - fit, finish, and tint are good on 
it as well. it's leaps better than the OEM screen. i've never ridden 
with a DB. i'm happy with it.

-john


On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 12:21 PM, Rob Keiser wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> I'd don't know anything about the LP's, but I'm very happy with my ZG 
> DB on my VFR.  Fit, finish, and tint are all very well done.  IMHO.
>
> The only drawback, is that the bubble's curve is too great to place the 
> Smart Tag I used to have mounted on my OEM screen.  Not an issue 
> currently since I no longer work in VA, but something to mention.
>
> Rob
> '98 VFR800
>
>
> From: Shawn Brand <shawn.brand@XXXXXX>
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> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: double bubble or euro speedscreen?
> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:17:26 -0500
>
> I'd like to get a smoked aftermarket wind screen for my Super Hawk and 
> it's
> down to the Zero Gravity double bubble or the Lockhart-Phillips euro
> speedscreen. They both provide better wind deflection than the stock 
> screen.
> Any major difference in quality or protection?
>
> Shawn
>
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I guess a lot of motorcycle operators had better clean up their act,
then. I see riders riding like this all the time. I'm all for it. Now
all we need is a means of dialing up the police chopper to point out
the loony behaving in a seriously questionable manner.


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On Fri., 8 Mar 2002, Justin Lemrow wrote:

> Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html
>

Real mixed feelings on this one... Its nice to see efforts being made to
discourage aggressive driving, but without specifics in the law, this
becomes another officers judgement ticket, that is essentially
uncontestable.

-jd


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Interesting article from a racer/street rider on safety issues.

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/issues/feb02/injur.htm


John.
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Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes:

<DJY>  Great.  Yet another traffic law.  Sure, that's going to make 
everyone drive better.  All that was needed was for VA police 
agencies to enforce more polite driving by stopping & ticketing 
idiots, left lane turtles and tailgaters.  All of these are 
violations (except for idiocy), but VA refuses to enforce the 'drive 
right pass left law'.  

Did anyone else notice :
weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing to yield to other cars 
when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, passing on the left or 
the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, speeding or 
stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent 
to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person.

  the intent portion is going to be difficult to prove...  

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:20:37 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA
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Justin Lemrow wrote:
> 
> Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes:
> 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html

Last thing we needed, MORE laws when cops can't seem to enforce the
existing ones.  <eyes roll>

I love this:

"The legislators said police officers need tools to punish what amounts to
a 
motorist's state of mind."  

Doesn't that sound like the THOUGHT POLICE???

> House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with 
> aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, 
> failing to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light,
> passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from 
> passing, speeding or stopping on a highway. 

Hmm, why not just charge them with the EXISTING LAWS regarding weaving,
tailgating, failure to yield, running a red light, using the shoulder,
speeding, or stopping on the highway???  If those laws don't have enough
teeth, increase the damned penalties.  Or slap a Reckless on there, VA
seems to be able to hand that charge out like candy.

> And in a case that made headlines around the world, a former Virginia man 
> was convicted last year of felony animal cruelty when he yanked a fluffy 
> white bichon frise from a woman's car and tossed the dog into oncoming 
> traffic after a fender bender.

Wow, sounds like they actually found a charge that stuck.  If the guy
was convicted of felony animal cruelty, I hope he's doing some time in
jail.  WHY DO WE THEN NEED YET ANOTHER LAW?  ENFORCE THE ONES WE ALREADY
HAVE!!!

Sorry to yell, this is just one of my hot-buttons.
Horkster

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In a message dated 3/8/2002 2:55:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
firblt@XXXXXX writes:

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html


I have said this before....

UNDEFINED CATCHALL BULLSHIT EXCUSE FOR ANY COP TO STOP ANYBODY AT ANY TIME. 

<aggressive rant off>

John Walters (Long John)
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Up near DC

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I suggest meeting tonight at 7:30 or so.  If you have a preference where, please let me know but I prefer DC and since my apartment is close by, I suggest meeting in front of the Air & Space Museum on the Jefferson Drive (Mall) side at 7:30.  

Happy to rearrange if someone has other preferences.

sue



> Paul suggested these rides for tonight and I have ridden them all before but would like company if anyone is interested.  We could meet in DC or whereever.
> 
> Paul: You could come down the GW Pkwy. to Old Town.  Lots of bikes down at the
> waterfront on warm nights.  You could continue down the GW to the traffic
> circle at Mount Vernon.  A ride up Beach Drive through the park could be
> nice, just watch out for the Bambis.  Hains Point too.
> 
> 
> 
> sue



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Two excerpts from the article:

The legislators said police officers need tools to punish what amounts to a
motorist's state of mind. However subjective, aggressive behavior routinely
is responsible for more and more serious accidents as drivers with long
commutes and the distraction of cell phones crowd onto roads built for a
fraction of the cars that travel them every day.

House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with
aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing to
yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, passing
on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, speeding
or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to "harass,
intimidate, or obstruct" another person.

+++++++++++++++++

I'm not sure this is such a great idea, heightening penalties based on
"state of mind."  Why is it better in the eyes of the law to run a red light
due to simple inattention rather than road rage?  Should I get a lesser
ticket for cutting someone off in traffic because I just ate a soporific
cheeseburger and wasn't paying attention rather than if my answer is "I
decided to get that a-hole on the red motorcycle."  If you plank another
vehicle in the process, the result is the same.  The "state of mind"
argument is fashionable now in other arenas, such as in so-called "hate
crimes."   Why is murdering someone for reasons of hate any worse than
killing someone for financial gain?  To me is a slippery slope to punishing
thought rather than behavior.

Paul in DC


----- Original Message -----
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> Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html
>
>
> 1999 VFR 800
> Northern VA/Washington DC
>
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Have any of you CCS racers received your 2002 racing license yet?

-Dave


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John made his aggressive intent clear -

I have said this before....

UNDEFINED CATCHALL BULLSHIT EXCUSE FOR ANY COP TO STOP ANYBODY AT ANY 
TIME. 

<aggressive rant off>

  <DJY>  I emailed the NMA after checking out all the 'pro traffic 
cop' legislation that had been proposed in the legislature, and 
allegedly there is a VA chapter, but you wouldn't know it.  There is 
virtually ZERO opposition to this crap in the VA Legislature.  If 
anything, they need to simplify the code...

Dave   





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Nice in principle, but since police don't seem to ticket tailgaters, unsafe lane changers, and others like that this seems to be just a way to charge aggressive drivers with more offenses AFTER they wreck or hurt someone.

Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Justin Lemrow <firblt@XXXXXX>
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:56:05 -0500

>Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes:
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html
>
>
>1999 VFR 800
>Northern VA/Washington DC
>
>

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Subject: re:  new aggressive driving offense in VA  
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Other people wrote:

> Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes:
> 
> <DJY>  Great.  Yet another traffic law.  Sure, that's going to make 
> everyone drive better.  All that was needed was for VA police 
> agencies to enforce more polite driving by stopping & ticketing 
> idiots, left lane turtles and tailgaters.  All of these are 
> violations (except for idiocy), but VA refuses to enforce the 'drive 
> right pass left law'.  
> 
> Did anyone else notice :
> weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing to yield to other cars 
> when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, passing on the left or 
> the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, speeding or 
> stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent 
> to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person.
> 
>   the intent portion is going to be difficult to prove...  


Maybe someone who's good at marketing could turn this into an opportunity
to go into a consumer oriented car/bike mounted video camera business. 

--
Dan Brown 
brown@XXXXXX


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Subject: Thought police

Paul asks -

The "state of mind" argument is fashionable now in other arenas, such 
as in so-called "hate crimes."  Why is murdering someone for reasons 
of hate any worse than killing someone for financial gain?


  <DJY> Only if the 'object' of the hate crime, or victim, is of 
a 'protected class' of citizens.  And the answer is because they have 
a small, but vocal lobby with an effective public relations 
campaign.  If you oppose hate crimes, you are immediately 'tarred and 
feathered' in the press, by said small vocal minorities as - 
extremists, seperatists, segregationists, bigots, etc... because of 
the stigma that 'label' carries, politicians are loathe to oppose 
such.  


  To me is a slippery slope to punishing thought rather than behavior.

<DJY>  SO?!  Nowhere in the US Constitution, or any state 
Constitution do you have the right to free thought.  Therefore, the 
State has an interest in regulating thought.  Congress can do so 
because thought has a direct impact on interstate commerce, since you 
need to think to be able to cross state lines or ship something 
across state lines.  Thought has repeatedly proven deadly in human 
history, and therefore it is a 'reasonable infringement' for the 
Government to regulate our thought.  What's the problem?

:-( 

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At 03:36 PM 3/8/2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:
>I emailed the NMA after checking out all the 'pro traffic
>cop' legislation that had been proposed in the legislature, and
>allegedly there is a VA chapter, but you wouldn't know it.  There is
>virtually ZERO opposition to this crap in the VA Legislature.  If
>anything, they need to simplify the code...

There are two or three active NMA chapters in VA.  The priority has been 
the red light cameras and speed camera.  NMA doesn't have the lobby $ 
required to make much of a legislative difference yet.



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On Fri, 08 March 2002, "Dave Cross" wrote:

> 
> Have any of you CCS racers received your 2002 racing license yet?
> 


Nope--not yet.  last year I didn't receive my WERA one until the last race of the season.

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Anyone notice this?  (from the post article)

"House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with 
aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing 
to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, 
passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, 
speeding or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to 
"harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person."

Since when is passing on the left an offense?



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C;mon Hork ... you already know the answer to that.  We have taken what
amounts to a lack of tolerance of others on the road, labeled it roadrage
and reported it ad naseum through the media.

Politicians feel they HAVE to address this new critical issue facing
society!!!

Sad, but true,
--chris





Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> on 03/08/2002 03:20:37 PM





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Hmm, why not just charge them with the EXISTING LAWS regarding weaving,
tailgating, failure to yield, running a red light, using the shoulder,
speeding, or stopping on the highway???  If those laws don't have enough
teeth, increase the damned penalties.  Or slap a Reckless on there, VA
seems to be able to hand that charge out like candy.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Troutman" <mike@XXXXXX>



> Anyone notice this?  (from the post article)
>
> "House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with
> aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing
> to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light,
> passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing,
> speeding or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to
> "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person."
>
> Since when is passing on the left an offense?
>
I assumed they meant crossing the double-yellow, but who knows.  Let's see,
if reckless regularly gets pleaded down to "improper driving", aggressive
driving will get pleaded down to what?  Promise not to do it again and
attend "charm school"?

Paul in DC



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I noticed.  I just wrote it off as a typo.  My read would be "passing on the left <IN/ON> the shoulder".  Seems to make better sense.

Scooter

In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002  4:20:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> writes:

> Anyone notice this?  (from the post article)
> 
> "House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with 
> aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing 
> to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, 
> passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, 
> speeding or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to 
> "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person."
> 
> Since when is passing on the left an offense?
> 
> 
> 
> ___________________________________________
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>           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
> 
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from leg1.state.va.us

M-' 46.2-868.1. Aggressive driving; penalties. 

A. A person is guilty of aggressive driving if (i) the person 
violates one or more of the following: M-' 46.2-802 (Drive on right 
side of highways), M-' 46.2-804 (Failure to observe lanes marked for 
traffic), M-' 46.2-816 (Following too closely), M-' 46.2-821 (Vehicles 
before entering certain highways shall stop or yield right-of-way), M-' 
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when overtaking a vehicle), M-' 46.2-841 (When overtaking vehicle may 
pass on right), M-' 46.2-842 (Driver to give way to overtaking 
vehicle), M-' 46.2-842.1 (Driver to give way to certain overtaking 
vehicles on divided highway), M-' 46.2-843 (Limitations on overtaking 
and passing), any provision of Article 8 (M-' 46.2-870 et seq.) of 
Title 46.2 (Speed), or M-' 46.2-888 (Stopping on highway); and (ii) 
that person commits an offense in clause (i) with the intent to 
harass, intimidate or obstruct another person. 

B. Aggressive driving shall be punished as a Class 2 misdemeanor. In 
addition, the court may require successful completion of an 
aggressive driving program. 

<DJY>  It seems to be a 'compound' offense - IOW, it requires one of 
several elements AND intent to harass, intimidate or obstruct another 
person...  


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In keeping with the Bad Driving thread, I'd like to share this particularly
distrubing story.  Not MC related but really messed up anyway.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20020308/ap_on_re_
us/hit_and_run_death_7
  cheers,

patti

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At 10:01 AM 3/8/02 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
>You got their website?  Throttlemeister's website lists them at $130 for
my R6.  $147 if I want the larger unit.
>
>Scooter

www.azmotorsports.com  :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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At 10:32 AM 3/8/2002, Tom Gimer wrote:
>--- Dave Yates <sdave@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >       <DJY>  Oh yeah... well... you're....  GIMERING ! So
> > there!  ;-)
>
>i've heard my name used as an expletive before, which was
>somewhat inspiring.
>
>it seems that now i've sunken to the level of a lowly
>verb....  doesn't that suck.

Ah, but at least you're intransitive.

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I'm sure it *means* passing on the right, which is allready agin the law.  (Me
being the recipiant of a passing on the right tickee way back in `60 sumpin)

Bill

Troutman wrote:

> Anyone notice this?  (from the post article)
>
> "House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with
> aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing
> to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light,
> passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing,
> speeding or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to
> "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person."
>
> Since when is passing on the left an offense?
>
> ___________________________________________
>      Mike Troutman
>           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
>
>          1997 Honda VFR 750
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From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: panty-sniffing, WAS RE: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02
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oops....i forgot the smiley.  obviously i would never be
involved in something so devious and downright disgusting
as panty-sniffing....


--
tg


--- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> OK.  That's more than we needed to know about you Gimer. 
> ;-)
> 
> Scooter
> 
> In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:49:28 AM Eastern
> Standard Time, Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> writes:
> 
> > --- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > > At 10:38 AM 3/8/2002, you wrote:
> > > >my unsubscribe request went unanswered.  rather than
> > > >press the issue, i think i'll stay.  besides, who
> would
> > > >be left to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag
> > > >handles the racers)
> > > 
> > > You may have anything in the fridge and $15 for the
> > > evening.  $3/hr if we go after 10pm.  No pay per
> view.
> > 
> > hide your dirty undies.  i'm a sniffer.  ;)


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In a message dated 3/8/2002 3:31:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
LakeSueE@XXXXXX writes:


> I suggest meeting tonight at 7:30 or so.  If you have a preference where, 
> please let me know but I prefer DC and since my apartment is close by, I 
> suggest meeting in front of the Air & Space Museum on the Jefferson Drive 
> (Mall) side at 7:30.  
> 
> Happy to rearrange if someone has other preferences.
> 
> sue
> 

Sounds like a plan to me.  I'll see you there.  BTW, what's the (un)planned 
route?

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 3/8/2002 3:31:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, LakeSueE@XXXXXX writes:
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I suggest meeting tonight at 7:30 or so. &nbsp;If you have a preference where, please let me know but I prefer DC and since my apartment is close by, I suggest meeting in front of the Air &amp; Space Museum on the Jefferson Drive (Mall) side at 7:30. &nbsp;
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<BR>Happy to rearrange if someone has other preferences.
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Ok.. Where and when is the metting place? I'm coming from Sterling, 
VA, and am interested in coming out...
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> Ok.. Where and when is the metting place? I'm coming from Sterling, VA, and 
> am interested in coming out...
> 

Air and Space Museum.  7:30.

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)

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From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
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Subject: My winter TL project is done
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Winter never really got here this year, and I rode off and on all
winter.  Because of this I got a really late start tearing her down for
the valve adjustment (you pretty much have to strip it naked and remove
the radiators to do it).  I have new rubber, powder-coated wheels, and
Lindemann did my forks with black anodized outers and gold nitrate
sliders.  Went for a ride...the suspension is awesome.  Took the whole
week off to do it right.  Check out the Freestyle Moto Design undertail.

COME ON SUMMER!!!

http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg
http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00064.jpg
http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00065.jpg
http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00066.jpg


Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club
mailto:gary@XXXXXX
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--- matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I guess a lot of motorcycle operators had better clean up
> their act,
> then. I see riders riding like this all the time. I'm all
> for it.

good luck trying to prove that a client of mine had the
intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" a driver and
his 3000+ pound vehicle while on his open-air 400-700lb
defenseless motorcycle


> Now all we need is a means of dialing up the police
> chopper to point out
> the loony behaving in a seriously questionable manner.

also a brilliant idea.  that way we could keep the police
choppers in the air, constantly, at $10k per hour (or
whatever the silly friggin figure is), at OUR expense.


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MSF is designed for the cruiser rider.  Forget the rear brake until you are a 
real expert rider.  I have been road racing for over 30 years and either on 
the street or track the rear brake has been a dangerous option. If you are 
real good you can use the rear brake to induce a controlled slide in a turn, 
otherwise leave it alone.

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Subject: Summer riding pants
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I just received what may an interesting alternative to expensive riding
jeans from an outfit called JD American Workwear. They are a very heavy
denim jean with padded leather covered knees and leather covered butt. The
good news is they are on sale for $25 a pair--the bad news is they are going
out of business on 1April. Check the website at http://www.jdamerican.com

Bob


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At 04:52 PM 3/8/02 -0500, you wrote:
>At 10:01 AM 3/8/02 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
>>You got their website?  Throttlemeister's website lists them at $130 for
>my R6.  $147 if I want the larger unit.
>>
>>Scooter
>
>www.azmotorsports.com  :-)

Here is a link to directions showing how to convert a stock bar end to a
throttle lock -
http://pub31.ezboard.com/fazbiketechfrm2.showMessage?topicID=10.topic

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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In a message dated 3/8/02 3:37:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> Have any of you CCS racers received your 2002 racing license yet?

Nope.

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Sorry but there is just no way I can let this one slide.

In a message dated 3/8/2002 9:35:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Boia de writes:

> MSF is designed for the cruiser rider.  Forget the rear brake until you are 
> a real expert rider.  I have been road racing for over 30 years and either 
on 
> the street or track the rear brake has been a dangerous option. If you are 
> real good you can use the rear brake to induce a controlled slide in a 
turn, 
> otherwise leave it alone.


Absolute unadulterated bullshit!
And a damn good way to get a new rider killed.
The rear brake is not now and never has been dangerous.
I started using it back in 65 and have NEVER had a problem with it.
Again BULLSHIT!

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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: Fish Flowers <fish@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Re: OT: Cheverly?
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 05:37:01 -0500
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295 (in MD) sucks for commuting. 2 lanes of slow traffic, half a
shoulder, and people who act like cars on the side of the road are tv
shows.

Cheverly would make her commute a breeze, and be a compramise for you.
The more north you go, the worse your commute will be. The more south
you go, the better for you, but her commute will start to suck if
she's "coming into dc" in her commute.

So I guess if she wears the pants, cheverly it is.  

Cheverly isn't too bad, especially if you live within the main
section.  The section by the apartments is sucky though. 
If you live on that main street or some street off of that, the
neighborhood is good.   if you live off 202 landover road,
the neighborhood will suck. Surrounding landover neighborhoods are
bad. access to 50 and 295 is nice.


Danny
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:43:28 -0600 (CST), you wrote:

|>On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote:
|>
|>> MD has higher motor vehicle theft rates than VA, but PG county in
|>> particular is a bad place for theft, and bike theft especially.
|>
|>That may well be true, but sadly we're pretty much tied to PG County for
|>geographical reasons (SWMBO works at Ft. Meade, I work in Alexandria) --
|>so we'd like to stay pretty close to 295.
|>
|>Given the close-to-295, close-to-DC, low-crime theme here, any good
|>bike-friendly towns to look into? I may as well throw yet another crazy
|>unattainable variable into the mix...
|>
|>Fish.
|>thanks for the response, dave
|>


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SPORTBIKES

I have to disagree with what you say, in relationship to SPORTBIKES.
What is your experience with modern day sport bikes?

rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide,
causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side.

where as a proper use of the front brake will cause the bike to stop
in the best manner, control and distance. 10 mph or 100 mph.
(anyone who doesn't believe me, go try it)

I don't want to hear "msf does tests".. without the data. 
 on what bikes? I want to see actual data. Show me the studies and the
tests to back up the claims.  Show me proof.

A back wheel provides poor braking at 10 mph or 100 mph.
Compare both to front only braking. It's no contest.
The front brake can do the same "weight shifting" bullcrap theory  the
rear brake can do, and far out perform any rear brake usage.

Also as far as "ideal conditions" most street surfaces are ideal
enough for front brake usage, we do it every day.

 Riders are scanning the road before they get to that section of road,
and then out of no where comes an obstacle, and riders brake hard on
the section of road they already scanned.  If any road contaminants
exist, and one is emergency braking, the front and rear wheel will
probably equally slide out. I see no rear brake benefit.

Also 100% weight transfer is possible. People sometimes flip their
bikes over right before impact. People sometimes slow down so  much
their rear wheel comes off the ground. I've done it, my friends have
done it. It happens.

Remember, we are talkign SPORTBIKES.  I don't mind you giving your
advice to cruiser riders, but let's not give new sport bike riders bad
info. 

For sport bike riders:
 The truth is  rear brake = trouble.  It causes the bike to slide,
wobble, low side, or high side. 

I would reason that using the rear brake to shift weight to the front
is ridiculous. The application of the front brake already shifts the
weight,and if you aren't using the front brake, you've wasted valuable
time.  Plus using the front brake to shift the weight forward also
helps your braking be at the proper pressure to add more pressure.

If application of the rear brake with the front cuased the bike to
actually slow down better, racers would use that technique, and
the fact is, simply, they don't use rear brakes to slow down,
and that back brake theory is wrong for sport bikes.

The front wheel will slip, no matter which brake was used to shift the
weight forward, if the force is over exerted for the traction
available.

Let's cut the bullshit.  In regards to sport bikes:
 front brake = good
 back brake = bad
 a one shot strong grab of any brake front or rear  is bad.
A fast quick yet gradual application fo the front brake is best.

That's my word as an experienced sport bike rider who can apply soley
the front brake hard enough to get the rear wheel off the ground while
braking.  Don't apply cruiser advice to sport bikes.

I am willing to take on any challenges from cruiser riders to see who
can stop in the least amount of space.  I wager not only would my
distances be shorter, but also more controlled.  They have the option
to ride cruiser or sport bikes. I dont' care.

Danny

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On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:46:26 EST, you wrote:

|>Sorry but there is just no way I can let this one slide.
|>
|>In a message dated 3/8/2002 9:35:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Boia de writes:
|>
|>> MSF is designed for the cruiser rider.  Forget the rear brake until you are 
|>> a real expert rider.  I have been road racing for over 30 years and either 
|>on 
|>> the street or track the rear brake has been a dangerous option. If you are 
|>> real good you can use the rear brake to induce a controlled slide in a 
|>turn, 
|>> otherwise leave it alone.
|>
|>
|>Absolute unadulterated bullshit!
|>And a damn good way to get a new rider killed.
|>The rear brake is not now and never has been dangerous.
|>I started using it back in 65 and have NEVER had a problem with it.
|>Again BULLSHIT!

I agree with the first poster and say your bullshit is bullshit
itself.

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Wouldn't it be easier to find an alternative route than that section
of road?

beware of burning someone with your exhaust pipe.

I don't know if it's illegal or not.  If the sidewalk was empty, I'd
either try it or ride on it, if no cops were present. If cops were
present, i'd keep my bike off the sidewalk.

If it was crowded i'd just wait in traffic. (if no cops present)

Also I notice that DC tickets are really pretty effing weak.
people get pulled over for stuff and get fined like 50 bux

Danny

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PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:

> Sorry but there is just no way I can let this one slide.
>

Nor can I...

> > MSF is designed for the cruiser rider.  Forget the rear brake until you are
> > a real expert rider.  I have been road racing for over 30 years and either
> on
> > the street or track the rear brake has been a dangerous option. If you are
> > real good you can use the rear brake to induce a controlled slide in a
> turn,
> > otherwise leave it alone.
>
> Absolute unadulterated bullshit!
> And a damn good way to get a new rider killed.
> The rear brake is not now and never has been dangerous.
> I started using it back in 65 and have NEVER had a problem with it.
> Again BULLSHIT!

Agreed.   On the street, riding in a  reasonably prudent manner, mere physics
decrees that two pads of rubber is better than one.  It doesn't matter is the
dang machine is a cruiser, dual purpose, sportbike, or anchient standard.  Those
who believe that judicious application of both brakes is dangerous flat don't
know how to ride, end of story, and maybe and end to their spotless health should
they ever encounter a situation where stopping in the shortest distnace possible
is required.

Good grief, ignoring the rear brake is as ludicrious as the deluded folks who
won't touch the front for fear of doing an endo on their head.

Bill


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daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:

> SPORTBIKES
>
> I have to disagree with what you say, in relationship to SPORTBIKES.
> What is your experience with modern day sport bikes?

Riden them, never had a problem applying both brakes.  Engineers are
marvelous creatures, they know what works, they install two brakes.

> rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide,
> causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side.

That would be OVERUSAGE!   Learn to ride, learn to apply the brakes
instead of jumping on them.

> where as a proper use of the front brake will cause the bike to stop
> in the best manner, control and distance. 10 mph or 100 mph.
> (anyone who doesn't believe me, go try it)

Yes, the front brake is the main source of stopping power.  However, while
doing tight turns in a parking lot situation (looking for that available
space) I use rear only.  Try grabbing that oh-so-wonderful front brake
while your wheel is turned.  El dumpo.

Sniped the remainder of the inane BS...

Bill


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Danny opines -

SPORTBIKES

I have to disagree with what you say, in relationship to SPORTBIKES.
What is your experience with modern day sport bikes?

rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide,
causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side.


	<DJY> Danny, I like you and all (considering we've never met), but
using the rear brake in and of itself won't do a God Damned thing to
cause you to wreck.  If you ABuse it, maybe.  If you use it STUPIDLY,
perhaps...


where as a proper use of the front brake will cause the bike to stop
in the best manner, control and distance. 10 mph or 100 mph.
(anyone who doesn't believe me, go try it)

I don't want to hear "msf does tests".. without the data.
 on what bikes? I want to see actual data. Show me the studies and the
tests to back up the claims.  Show me proof.


	<DJY>  Pick up a motorcycle magazine.  Doesn't matter which one.  Now,
go to the braking test section.  Please point out to me where it says
anything REMOTELY like 'the back brake is for Shit, so we stopped using
only the front'...  Step up here Danny, we need facts and figures here.


Remember, we are talkign SPORTBIKES.  I don't mind you giving your
advice to cruiser riders, but let's not give new sport bike riders bad
info.

	<DJY>  Danny, all due respect, but you are asserting your opinion as
fact, and that is irresponsible.  If you noticed, Laura said 'what's
worked for me' and 'in my experience'...  At least have the decency,
courtesy & respect for newer riders to not put them in harms way by
making them think that your rear brake diatribe is anything more than
complete, uneducated, moronic, rancid bull shit.


Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
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I agree with the first poster and say your bullshit is bullshit
itself.

	<DJY>  Now THIS is more like the DCC brake threads I remember ;-)  



Dave Yates
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MSF is designed for the cruiser rider.  Forget the rear brake until you
are a
real expert rider.  I have been road racing for over 30 years and either
on
the street or track the rear brake has been a dangerous option.


	<DJY>  What figures, statistics and F A C T  do you have to back that
up ?  Not your opinion, don't waste the bandwidth if you can't come up
with other than "I know, it is this way."


If you are real good you can use the rear brake to induce a controlled
slide in a turn,
otherwise leave it alone.


	<DJY> It took a while for the chest pounding to begin.  Let's see who's
going to show up with the hard numbers...  I just can't wait for
*someone* to show definitive data that contradicts years of MSF testing
that shows both brakes stop better than either single unit....

Dave Yates


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Jeez... didn't we do the braking thing not 6 months ago?

On my Harley, the rear brake was usefull... all the time. It was a 650lbs 
motorcycle with front brakes that could not cause 100% weight transfer to the 
front wheel, so using the rear brake all the time was very prudent - it was 
actually quite difficult to over use it.

On a sportbike, it is more *difficult* to use the rear brake properly (over 
say, 35 mph), and most people will never master the skill. This is not to say 
that you should or shouldn't try... that's up to the rider. 

The laws of physics say that at the start of your braking the use of the rear 
brake will cause the bike to squat (the swingarm pivots counter-clockwise 
when you apply the rear brake). This lowers the bike's center of gravity, 
which will then make the front brakes work even better because of where the 
weight of the bike is in relation to the front axle.  As you use apply the 
front brake, weight transfers forward and you must decrease your rear brake 
usage to compensate or risk locking up the rear wheel. You have two contact 
patches, each being used for deceleration, so maximum results will be 
achieved.

If you can do the above without locking up to rear the majority of the time, 
my hat is off to you... I can't. On any of the sportbikes I've ridden in the 
last 3 years the rear brake pedal offers little if any feedback, and it's 
very hard to determine just how much pressure you can give it at any point in 
time - especially since you can't focus entirely on that while trying to 
decelerate your bike from a high rate of speed. Add to this that you're using 
a hard soled boot to depress it, and you're pretty much in the dark untill 
the rear starts sliding. 

In a parking lot, or in traffic under 35mph? Sure... I can do it. And as Bill 
said, using the rear brake only is VERY usefull when making 5mph tight turns, 
or a U-turn. 

::shrug:: Theory and practice are rarely the same. I'll stick to the front 
brake only on sportbikes when doing high-speed, straight-line braking. But 
that's my choice, and that at which I've become proficient. Your milage may 
vary.

- Roach 

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Now this is fun!

In a message dated 3/9/2002 6:12:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes:

> I have to disagree with what you say, in relationship to SPORTBIKES.
>  What is your experience with modern day sport bikes?
>  

Quite a bit, I spent 8 years as a mechanic after all, and I like them. 


>  rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide,
>  causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side.
>  

Again the only answer is BULLSHIT! 
I have ridden sportbikes and always use the rear brakes, I have never had an 
unexpected lock up.
If the brake does lock up IT IS NO BIG DEAL!!!  
I have seen literally thousands of new riders deliberately lock the rear 
wheel and skid, and not one of them has had any problems with control, not 
one has crashed and most say "Can I do it again?"
Beginning rider course (MRC: RSS) braking exercises include:

Stopping with both brakes (always)
Stopping quickly with both brakes
Stopping quickly on command with both brakes
Stopping on a curve with both brakes
Stopping quickly on a curve with both brakes
CONTROLLING REAR WHEEL SKIDS.   

Experienced rider courses which are ridden on your own bike, include all of 
the above but exclude the rear wheel skid for bikes with linked brakes due to 
the danger of _front_ wheel lock up. I have seen hundreds of sportbikes lock 
the rear wheel and skid with not problems at all.

Fear of the rear brake is irrational  A rear wheel skid is easy to control 
(ask ANY MSF graduate) I have in fact, while practicing (on my bike) to 
demonstrate rear wheel lock up, skidded so far that I _literally_ had time to 
think "I wish I had brought a magazine to read." (Brand new pavement, wet, 
new tire.) The point is I was not thinking "Oh Shit, Oh Shit, Oh Shit!!!" I 
was bored.
In emergency I have skidded a rear wheel (No front brake, SURPRISE!!  ) some 
30 or 40ft. on pavement, 4-6 on dirt, and another 8-10 paved, all the time 
curving towards a small dirt hill I was hoping would stop me before I got to 
the rock lined ditch. I do admit at the time I was thinking  "Oh Shit, Oh 
Shit, Oh Shit!!!" But not because of the rear wheel lock up but because I 
donM-bM-^@M-^Yt like crashing into rocks. (I was halfway up the hill before I stopped.)

If you are afraid of rear wheel skids you need to practice them I suggest the 
MSF experienced rider course but if testosterone poisoning  prevents you from 
doing that find yourself someplace and just do it.
Remember thousand upon thousands of virgin riders across the country have had 
no problems controlling rear wheel skids, if they can do it so can you.

Oh MSF is not just for cruiser riders or even cruiser orientated, it was 
founded in the early 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys and was (still is) by the motorcycle manufacturers 
including all of the Japanese brands and Harley. In the 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys not one of the 
Japanese manufacturers was building a cruiser *Not one!* Why would they fund 
a cruiser orientated class?  Current funders include Ducati who as we all 
know only builds cruisers and knows nothing about sportbikes.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European 
      is now necessary {and I still like it.})
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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In DC try the big Carter Barron lots off 16th Street NW (1-1/2 mi no of
Columbia Rd in Rock Creek Park).  Regularly used for driver/rider training.

Bill S. / DC
'99 VN750 --> I swerve for the potholes
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.


From: "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Braking (sportbikes)

. . . snip snip snip

<DJY>  Not at all, so long as you're not riding stupidly.  and for the
purposes of braking exercises, you don't need to.  Just go to DC to do
your panic brake exercises, their traffic is a free for all...  just
remember to use the sidewalks ;-)


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I guess the other thing that should be mentioned... your suspension setup has 
a lot to do with your braking ability as well. It's all about weight.

Too little compression dampning in the front causes front-end dive and rapid 
weight transfer - you'll be staring at the ground as the bike pivots skyward 
over the front axle. Too much can cause the front to lock up or push under 
hard braking.

Yet another factor is *your* weight. Grabbing the tank with your knees and 
not allowing your weight to end up on your wrists (and thus directly onto the 
front tire) prevents 60 - 100lbs of weight transference (depending on your 
size :) ).

As someone said... motorcycling is a lifelong persuit... I think you could do 
this for 50 years and still never learn everthing there is to know.

- Roach

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wow  this braking thing really is burning up the replys        LOL
but it's a good thing :)


Dan Davis


>From: Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX>
>Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX
>To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Subject: Braking (more)
>Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:31:48 -0500
>
>
>I guess the other thing that should be mentioned... your suspension setup 
>has
>a lot to do with your braking ability as well. It's all about weight.
>
>Too little compression dampning in the front causes front-end dive and 
>rapid
>weight transfer - you'll be staring at the ground as the bike pivots 
>skyward
>over the front axle. Too much can cause the front to lock up or push under
>hard braking.
>
>Yet another factor is *your* weight. Grabbing the tank with your knees and
>not allowing your weight to end up on your wrists (and thus directly onto 
>the
>front tire) prevents 60 - 100lbs of weight transference (depending on your
>size :) ).
>
>As someone said... motorcycling is a lifelong persuit... I think you could 
>do
>this for 50 years and still never learn everthing there is to know.
>
>- Roach




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Hmmm.  $105?  Maybe it's fancier than my Universal Vista Cruise lock ($25?)
which has done well for several years.  The old packaging says "fits most
Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Moto Guzzi."  Have seen it mentioned from
time to time in catalogs.  Had to be careful about specifying bar diameter
as I recall.

Whatever, my tl has come close to saving my life on  a couple of occasions
when I needed the right hand to clean/adjust gear non-stop.

Bill S. / DC
'99 VN750 --> Bar diameter?  Over 21 isn't it?
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.



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At 12:02 AM 3/7/02 -0500, you wrote:
>How much was it?  throttle locks are nice.

$105 from AZ Motorsports.  Got to test it out on the commute to/from work
yesterday.  Combined with my new ZG Double Bubble windscreen, I feel like
I'm driving a rocket powered Gold Wing  :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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Does anyone know what the laws are for MD triailers..

like if it has doulbe axels or electric brakes,  it has to get it's
own insurance?

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At 11:17 AM 3/9/2002, you wrote:
>Does anyone know what the laws are for MD triailers..
>
>like if it has doulbe axels or electric brakes,  it has to get it's
>own insurance?

Unless it's changed in the last few years, no. My 24 foot Wells
Cargo for the race cars did not require separate MD insurance;
it was covered by the insurance of the vehicle that pulled it, in
this case my Suburban.

Ditto for my then-wife's horse trailer with electric brakes.

The company was USAA, if that matters.

-- Larry






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Does anyone know if the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible? I have friends
with the GMRSX1 and I'm considering purchasing the FRSX2 (I'm cheap). The
X1 just seems to have more range than the X2.

Also, where's a good, reputable online place to purchase? MAW has great
prices, but I've heard horror stories from people ordering shit from them.

Thanks!

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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In a message dated 3/8/2002 11:08:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
wayne@XXXXXX writes:


> At 04:52 PM 3/8/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >At 10:01 AM 3/8/02 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> >>You got their website?  Throttlemeister's website lists them at $130 for
> >my R6.  $147 if I want the larger unit.
> >>
> >>Scooter
> >
> >www.azmotorsports.com  :-)
> 
> Here is a link to directions showing how to convert a stock bar end to a
> throttle lock -
> http://pub31.ezboard.com/fazbiketechfrm2.showMessage?topicID=10.topic
> 
> -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/
> 

Thanks.  I'll probably go with a Throttlemeister.  Not that mechanically 
inclined.  ;-)

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 3/8/2002 11:08:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At 04:52 PM 3/8/02 -0500, you wrote:
<BR>&gt;At 10:01 AM 3/8/02 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
<BR>&gt;&gt;You got their website? &nbsp;Throttlemeister's website lists them at $130 for
<BR>&gt;my R6. &nbsp;$147 if I want the larger unit.
<BR>&gt;&gt;
<BR>&gt;&gt;Scooter
<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt;www.azmotorsports.com &nbsp;:-)
<BR>
<BR>Here is a link to directions showing how to convert a stock bar end to a
<BR>throttle lock -
<BR>http://pub31.ezboard.com/fazbiketechfrm2.showMessage?topicID=10.topic
<BR>
<BR>-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Thanks. &nbsp;I'll probably go with a Throttlemeister. &nbsp;Not that mechanically inclined. &nbsp;;-)
<BR>
<BR>Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)</FONT></HTML>

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At 10:27 AM 3/9/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Hmmm.  $105?  Maybe it's fancier than my Universal Vista Cruise lock ($25?)
>which has done well for several years.  The old packaging says "fits most
>Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Moto Guzzi."  Have seen it mentioned from
>time to time in catalogs.  Had to be careful about specifying bar diameter
>as I recall.

http://store1.yimg.com/I/azmotorsports_1678_3332932

That's the only style vista cruise I've ever seen.  Not something I want on
my sportbike.  The nice thing about the Throttlemeister is that it looks
like any other bar end, which all sportbikes have from the factory.  :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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<<Absolute unadulterated bullshit!
And a damn good way to get a new rider killed.
The rear brake is not now and never has been dangerous.
I started using it back in 65 and have NEVER had a problem with it.
Again BULLSHIT!>>


Read the "Hurt Report" and you will note that the single largest cause of
single vehicle motorcycle accidents is the use of the rear brake.  The use of
the rear brake on the street, particularly in panic situations, has always
been dangerous.  In fact, motorcycle safety training organizations in Europe
teach youngsters to avoid using the rear brake when they move from bicycles
to motorcycles.

In racing, you can read Keith Code (Twist of the Wrist, etc.) who says the
same same thing.  

In sedate riding on the street (particularly on heavily rear weight bias
cruisers) the rear brake will not cause problems, when used instinctively in
panic situations or in spririted riding on sport bikes it causes many problems. 
Statistically it's a fact, but if you have had no problems with using the
rear brake, you probably have mastered its use in the type of riding you do. 
In nearly 30 years of racing (and I still race) and street riding I haven't had
the confidence in my ability to modulate the rear brake accurately when on
the edge, so I don't use it even in sedate riding to avoid acquiring an
automatic reaction to using it, which could prove disasterous in race
conditions.

Don't know if you've ever raced, but Mr. Roach does and so do I and I think we have the same opinion on rear brake usage.  In fact, most club racers I know have the same opinion.  Some professional racers who spend a tremendous amount of time on the track get very good at using the rear brake for things other than stopping/slowing down. Mick Doohan (many times 500cc GP champion)used a handlebar mounted thumb lever to use the rear brake, for example.  But he didn't use it for slowing down the bike.  He used it to induce a controlled slide at very high speeds, something I'll never try racing.  I'm just not good enough and neither are most club racers.

Anyway, claiming that another opinion, backed up by statistics (the Hurt Report) is BS is a bit harsh, don't you think?

Fred

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Boiade@XXXXXX wrote:

> <<Absolute unadulterated bullshit!
> And a damn good way to get a new rider killed.
> The rear brake is not now and never has been dangerous.
> I started using it back in 65 and have NEVER had a problem with it.
> Again BULLSHIT!>>
>
> Read the "Hurt Report" and you will note that the single largest cause of
> single vehicle motorcycle accidents is the use of the rear brake.  The use of
> the rear brake on the street, particularly in panic situations, has always
> been dangerous.  In fact, motorcycle safety training organizations in Europe
> teach youngsters to avoid using the rear brake when they move from bicycles
> to motorcycles.
>

I do believe the conclusion of the Hurt Report and Hurt's latest updated opinion was that UNDERUSE of the front brake caused splats, coupled with overuse of the rear brake.

Bill


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From: "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX>
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<<Absolute unadulterated bullshit!
And a damn good way to get a new rider killed.
The rear brake is not now and never has been dangerous.
I started using it back in 65 and have NEVER had a problem with it.
Again BULLSHIT!>>


Read the "Hurt Report" and you will note that the single largest cause
of
single vehicle motorcycle accidents is the use of the rear brake.


	<DJY> No, that's misuse of rear brake.  John's point, which you
completely & conveniently ignore is that with practice, as you're
supposed to do (but many dont') you'll stop faster using both brakes
appropriately (in proportion).


  The use of
the rear brake on the street, particularly in panic situations, has
always
been dangerous.


	<DJY>  facts ???  back this up.



 In fact, motorcycle safety training organizations in Europe
teach youngsters to avoid using the rear brake when they move from
bicycles
to motorcycles.

In racing, you can read Keith Code (Twist of the Wrist, etc.) who says
the
same same thing.

In sedate riding on the street (particularly on heavily rear weight bias
cruisers) the rear brake will not cause problems, when used
instinctively in
panic situations or in spririted riding on sport bikes it causes many
problems.


	<DJY> But you just said above that the "use of the rear brake on the
street...has always been dangerous"  but here, it doesn't apply to
sedate riding on the street.  Which of the above statements is true, and
which is not?



Don't know if you've ever raced, but Mr. Roach does and so do I and I
think we have the same opinion on rear brake usage.



	<DJY>  Roach said - "Sportbike, it is more *difficult* to use the rear
brake properly (over
say, 35 mph), and most people will never master the skill. This is not
to say
that you should or shouldn't try... that's up to the rider." - and then
he goes on to say that on a sport bike he uses only the front brake
because that's what he's proficient at.  The difference is that Roach is
not asserting his opinion as fact, merely what works for him.



Anyway, claiming that another opinion, backed up by statistics (the Hurt
Report) is BS is a bit harsh, don't you think?


	<DJY>  No more harsh than allowing your years of experience in riding
to cloud your judgement about what you write in a public forum that can
be ready by riders with anywhere from no experience, to a lifetime of
it.  If you are not enough of a rider to be able to use the rear brake
effectively, admit as much, and go about improving yourself...  don't
try to convince everyone else that you're right.  Beginning riders
reading this forum are going to see your (chest pounding) "30 years of
racing" and think that you are a voice of experience.  It's
irresponsible to advise them that "only the front brake is good" without
even attempting to get them to learn how to use both & make an informed
decision...


Dave Yates


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On Saturday 09 March 2002 20:33, Dave Yates wrote:

> 	<DJY>  Roach said - "Sportbike, it is more *difficult* to use the rear
> brake properly (over
> say, 35 mph), and most people will never master the skill. This is not
> to say
> that you should or shouldn't try... that's up to the rider." - and then
> he goes on to say that on a sport bike he uses only the front brake
> because that's what he's proficient at.  The difference is that Roach is
> not asserting his opinion as fact, merely what works for him.

Oh don't get me wrong... I'm just being nice for once. ::grin::

My *opinion* is that 99% of street riders who try and use the rear brake on a 
sportbike in a panic situation will lock up the rear, therefore causing them 
to take longer to stop (sliding sideways is not an optimal way to slow down) 
or to fall. That's called over-use of the rear brake, and it's exactly what 
the hurt report was talking about. If the hypothetical rider had used more 
front and less rear, they'd have stopped.

Also... and this goes back to the racing thing... if using the rear brake on 
a sportbike was usefull... don't you think that *one* professional racer 
would do so?  I mean... it would give them an edge in a braking zone, right? 
No one does. Not one. 

There are two things the rear brake is used for on a racetrack: Causing the 
rear to lose traction and slide (and with the advent of modern rubber and 
chassis technology, this has been reduced to the status of making blocking 
passes up the inside), and when you're in the grass and can't use the front 
without landing on your head.

Watch AMA, SBK, or MotoGP... you will not see one rider use the rear brake to 
decelerate the motorcycle under hard braking. And these are the best riders 
in the world.

Maybe they should take the MSF course ... might make them better riders... :-P

- Roach

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<<No more harsh than allowing your years of experience in riding
to cloud your judgement about what you write in a public forum that can
be ready by riders with anywhere from no experience, to a lifetime of
it.  If you are not enough of a rider to be able to use the rear brake
effectively, admit as much, and go about improving yourself...  don't
try to convince everyone else that you're right.  Beginning riders
reading this forum are going to see your (chest pounding) "30 years of
racing" and think that you are a voice of experience.  It's
irresponsible to advise them that "only the front brake is good" without
even attempting to get them to learn how to use both & make an informed
decision...>>

Let me be frank.  You've probably never raced and ride conservatively.  Some inexperienced riders buy sport bikes and instinctively use the rear brake.  This will usually be the cause of their first accident (according to the Hurt Report).  Who is misleading whom?

Come up to Summit Point sometime and watch how we race motorcycles.  You would be surprised how much racing technique applies to spirited street riding.

Anyway, I am convinced that my recommendation on rear brake usage is useful to all who read these posts.  I have three racebikes, get (earn) a racing license and I'll let you race one of them and we'll see how long you stay upright under racing conditions using the rear brake.  I don't think you have a clue what it is like riding on the edge.

Ciao,

Fred



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Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES
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> I have ridden sportbikes and always use the rear brakes, I have never had an
> unexpected lock up.

If the rear brake is helping you stop on a Sportbike in a panic/emergency
situation then you aren't using the front brake properly and to its full
potential. I suggest you go to a safe parking look and practice HARD
braking. Or better yet, take your sportbike to Summit Point, come flying out
of turn four at about 90mph downhill and see if you can use your rear brake
to help you get slowed down for turn five. Give the cornerworkers a heads up
before you do so they can be ready.


> If the brake does lock up IT IS NO BIG DEAL!!!

True,  sometimes and for some people, but not all the time for all people.
 
> I have seen literally thousands of new riders deliberately lock the rear
> wheel and skid, and not one of them has had any problems with control, not
> one has crashed and most say "Can I do it again?"

I agree, it is very easy to say "Im going to lock the rear wheel now" and
then control it. However it may be far different in a panic/emergency
situation for a new rider.


> If you are afraid of rear wheel skids you need to practice them I suggest the
> MSF experienced rider course but if testosterone poisoning  prevents you from
> doing that find yourself someplace and just do it.
> Remember thousand upon thousands of virgin riders across the country have had
> no problems controlling rear wheel skids, if they can do it so can you.

On a sportbike, since the rear brake provides virtually zero stopping
assistance in a panic/emergency situation why even use it and force someone
to have to deal with a locked wheel?


Dave


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In a message dated 3/9/2002 8:11:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Boiade@XXXXXX 
writes:

> Anyway, claiming that another opinion, backed up by statistics (the Hurt 
> Report) is BS is a bit harsh, don't you think?

Would be if the is what they concluded, but it is not. What the Hurt report 
concluded was that "accident involved motorcyclists typically over braked on 
the rear and under braked on the front." That is one hell of a long way from 
"the rear brake caused the accident." And even further from "the rear brake 
is dangerous donM-bM-^@M-^Yt use it." The suggestion from the Hurt Report was training 
was needed to teach  people how to use their brakes properly. Oh yea, that is 
what MSF has been doing from the mid 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys.

If I was taking a track day training session (I would love to) I would 
happily (not easily) go to front brake only, it is a (or the) proper track 
technique and I do understand the reasons for it. But on the street it is 
simply bad news and I do not think any of the track class sources you cited 
would suggest it is proper technique for everyday street use.

All I object to is the blanket statement that "the back brake is dangerous, 
donM-bM-^@M-^Yt use it" Left unchallenged it could create the impression in new riders 
that "the experts" (us "old" riders) universally agree.
We most assuredly do not.
My work here is done.
Wanna argue about oil again?


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European 
      is now necessary {and I still like it.})
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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After some more thought... there's a factor no one has mentioned here because 
we've all been talking in absolutes:

Stability.

On a racetrack, say turn 1 at Summit Point,  I slow my TZ250 from about 
150mph to 60mph then turn at max lean with a knee on the ground. I'm using 
only the front brake, and I try to modulate it at the very edge of locking 
up... the rear is unweighted and dancing around (or in the air), the front is 
compressed, and the bars are twitching as the front tries to come out from 
under you. On top of this... you're fully committed - you are not going to 
change direction while doing this.

This is not exactly something you want to do on the street. 

With enough care, use of both brakes provides a stable and controlled stop, 
even on a sportbike. On the street, 9 times out of 10 this is probably more 
important than raw deceleration.  If you're doing everything else you're 
supposed to (looking ahead, scanning for danger, etc), this may be a better 
route to take. You're probably using a lot less front brake than you could 
be and your full stopping distance will be increased, but the trade off is 
the aforementioned stability in keeping the rear nice and planted. 

Just some more kindling on the fire, really :)
- Roach

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Let me be frank.  You've probably never raced and ride conservatively.
Some inexperienced riders buy sport bikes and instinctively use the rear
brake.  This will usually be the cause of their first accident
(according to the Hurt Report).  Who is misleading whom?


	<DJY>  Now there's the chest thumping "I know more than you simply
because I'm Fred" we know :-)



Come up to Summit Point sometime and watch how we race motorcycles.  You
would be surprised how much racing technique applies to spirited street
riding.


	<DJY>  BTDTGTTS.  raced my cage at summit point.  I've Auto-x'd, and
nobody would say I ride or drive conservatively.  I've also managed low
tens on my (admittedly that was 90% bike, 10% rider) easily 9 second
bike (in the 1/4 mile)..


Anyway, I am convinced that my recommendation on rear brake usage is
useful to all who read these posts.


	<DJY>  That's better, at least here, you back your assertion(s).  I
respect that.  I disagree with it entirely, because you've proven that
you have no real facts to back them up but at least you stand behind
them.


  I have three racebikes, get (earn) a racing license and I'll let you
race one of them and we'll see how long you stay upright under racing
conditions using the rear brake.  I don't think you have a clue what it
is like riding on the edge.


	<DJY> Thanks for the offer, Fred... actually it was more of a dare...
I won't have time to do that this year.  And honestly, I don't know
what's involved in getting a race license for the various race classes
in which I could ride a bike at summit.  I'll save this mail, and when I
do have the time to get involved in bike racing then we'll talk.  In the
meantime, I will continue to proficiently operate both brakes on my
bike, as I have done since day one.


Seems to me that all this talk of rear brakes being useless would easily
be backed up by all the Hodas with LBS showing up in 'rear brake wadding
accidents'....   Has this been happening (are the LBS bikes wrecking in
higher proportion than non LBS) ?



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


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Bill - DO NOT LOOK AT THESE PICS!  They contain pictures of a clean bike.
These pics could cause irrepairable damage to your psychological
condition!!  :-)

Everyone else... I finally got the time to clean my Busa  :-)  Also took
off the warning stickers and reflectors.  I decided to blow off a few pics
with the digi camera - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/031002/

750+ miles on the bike so far.  Damn I love this *winter* weather  ;-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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Wayne Edelen wrote:

> Bill - DO NOT LOOK AT THESE PICS!  They contain pictures of a clean bike.
> These pics could cause irrepairable damage to your psychological
> condition!!  :-)

Nice ipcs!  Nice blue color, my fav.  Almost the same blue I painted my `58
Mopar ragtop with - a zillion coats of lauquer.  I washed that car everytime I
took out a new girl, a chore that encouraged me to seek long term
relationships :-)

Bill
married, which means I rarely get to play with the hose, so to speak...


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At 03:00 PM 3/10/02 -0500, William J. Huson wrote:
>Wayne Edelen wrote:
>
>> Bill - DO NOT LOOK AT THESE PICS!  They contain pictures of a clean bike.
>> These pics could cause irrepairable damage to your psychological
>> condition!!  :-)
>
>Nice ipcs!  Nice blue color, my fav.  Almost the same blue I painted my `58

Thanks, Bill.  You can't see it in the pics, but the black has blue
metallic flakes in it, very nice  :-)

>Mopar ragtop with - a zillion coats of lauquer.  I washed that car
everytime I
>took out a new girl, a chore that encouraged me to seek long term
>relationships :-)

ha!

>Bill
>married, which means I rarely get to play with the hose, so to speak...

ewf, TMI  ;-)

-- Wayne

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Hi all,
            I'd bet that if rear brake usage was unnecessary or dangerous, that racers would be removing the rear brake system to save weight, and bike manufacturers wouldn't add them to improve profits and reduce lawsuits.
    I'm sure that billions of dollars have been spent researching the use of the rear brakes, and bikes today wouldn't have 'em if they weren't needed.

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> 
> Hi all,
>           I'd bet that if rear brake usage was unnecessary or dangerous, that
> racers would be removing the rear brake system to save weight, and bike

Most production based racing rules require that the bikes be kept equipped
similar to their street based bikes.

I donM-9t think anyone said rear brake usage was unnecessary or dangerous in
all situations, only panic/emegency situations on sportbikes. It's important
to note that distinction.

Racers need a rear brake for situations such as if they ever go off the
track and the use of the front brake would be dangerous due to the decreased
traction offered by grass or worse wet grass (ask me how I know). They may
also use it a bit more in rain races.


> manufacturers wouldn't add them to improve profits and reduce lawsuits.
>   I'm sure that billions of dollars have been spent researching the use of the
> rear brakes, and bikes today wouldn't have 'em if they weren't needed.

Rear brakes are useful. I use mine in controlled stopping situations, or
when I have a passenger and donM-9t want all of that wait thrown on the front
wheel very dramatically and am not in a panic stop situation. I also use it
by tapping it to flash my brake light to get someone's attention behind me,
I find it easier then the front, but that's just my preference. I also use
my rear brake when stopped on steep hills to so I can have better control of
the throttle when I start to go.

Dave


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At the risk of adding principled engineering thoughts
to the debate . . . 

I encourage you to read
http://www.mecc.unipd.it/~cos/DINAMOTO/frenata/Braking%20paper/braking_new.htm,
a nice summary of the most effective way to brake a
motorcycle taking into account traction, center of
gravity, weight transfer, etc.  Figure 6 is a good
summary of the conclusions.

And what were the conclusions?

<snip formulas and tables>

"[D]eceleration increases with the coefficients of
friction [AM: stickiness of the road]. Due to the load
transfer the front wheel braking force is bigger than
the rear wheel braking force.

<snip> 

"If the coefficients of friction are low, the
importance of the rear braking force is not
negligible, as in high friction condition.

<snip> 

"Which is then the optimum braking to achieve the 0.5g
deceleration?

"If the maximum coefficients of friction are the same
for both the wheels, Figure 7 shows that the maximum
deceleration is achieved when both the tires are used
in the same way.

"As an example consider a coefficient of friction
equal to 0.8 for both the tires [AM: from my
engineering days, the coefficient of friction for a
dry road in good condition ranges from .8-.9]; the
maximum deceleration (0.8g) is achieved with a braking
ratio equal to ****90 [% front]:10 [% rear]****.

Using the front brake only, the maximum deceleration
is equal to 0.67g; using only the rear brake is equal
to 0.29g.  [AM: so neither alone is best]

In slipping condition the coefficient of friction is
equal to 0.4, the maximum deceleration is equal to
0.4g and the optimum braking ratio is 30 [%front]:70
[%rear].  [AM: !!!  E.g., grass, rain on metal, etc.]



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Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this 
afternoon.  We had a small crowd of about 20 people.  So where was 
everyone else???



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On Sunday 10 March 2002 19:22, Aaron wrote:
> At the risk of adding principled engineering thoughts
> to the debate . . .

Precisely. It goes back to absolutes and the phrase "It works on paper".
:)

 If you have the skill and dexterity to always use the rear brake only enough 
to provide 10% of your total braking, especially in a panic situation ... 
you're quite possibly one of the best riders in the world.  If you apply more 
brake than that which is needed to reach the proscribed 10%, you have now 
created a rear-wheel slide and things are less than optimal as the 
aforementioned paper describes; rear wheel slide, directional instability. 
The is usually called risk outweighing result.

Also, if you read, all the calculations are based on a motorcycle with a 
50:50 static weight balance. This does NOT describe a modern sportbike. Ever 
note the ass-up/nose-down attitute of a GSXR? If you re-computed the numbers 
using the front-bias weight figures of a modern sportbike, you now have an 
optimal braking force goal of far less than 10% ... not a real big margin for 
error there. Again... risk outweighs result, and most mortals aren't going to 
be able to achieve proficiency.

What they DO point out is the other part I've already stated - when you're 
not on grippy dry pavement, the rear brake is your head's best friend (As in, 
it keeps you from landing on it) :)

- Roach

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> Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this
> afternoon.  We had a small crowd of about 20 people.  So where was
> everyone else???
>

A.  It's none of your business.  :)
B.  If it were, I would say I was washing my bike to remove three hundred
miles of South-Carolina-in-the-rain road spooge from last weekend.  May I be
excused now?

%^)

Paul in DC



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> Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this
> afternoon.  We had a small crowd of about 20 people.  So where was
> everyone else???
>

A.  It's none of your business.  :)
B.  If it were, I would say I was washing my bike to remove three
hundred
miles of South-Carolina-in-the-rain road spooge from last weekend.  May
I be
excused now?


	<DJY>  NO.  where's your DCC spirit?  and just for your insolent
resposne, you're in email Time out 'til tomorrow night, Mr. smarty
pants. ;-)

	Road spooge...  indeed.



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


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> At the risk of adding principled engineering thoughts
> to the debate . . .

Precisely. It goes back to absolutes and the phrase "It works on paper".
:)

 If you have the skill and dexterity to always use the rear brake only
enough
to provide 10% of your total braking, especially in a panic situation
...
you're quite possibly one of the best riders in the world.  If you apply
more
brake than that which is needed to reach the proscribed 10%, you have
now
created a rear-wheel slide and things are less than optimal as the
aforementioned paper describes; rear wheel slide, directional
instability.
The is usually called risk outweighing result.


	<DJY>  We've already covered rear wheel lockup, in the 1st dozen or so
posts.  1) it's not as bad as all that 2) it's a damn sight better than
front wheel slide...

	If you have to make a panic stop, because you can't swerve - whatever,
and lock up the rear brake ONLY to stop, you will eventually stop.  If
you only let off the gas, you will eventually stop.  If you apply and or
lock the front brake, you will eventually stop.  If you apply both &
lock the rear you'll stop quicker.  If you apply both & lock neither,
but keep both on the threshold of locking, you'll stop in a shorter
distance.  Obviously, you have to have rear traction to use the rear
brake effectively, so if you are so hamfisted that you loft the rear
wheel so often when you stop your sportbike that you can't practice 2
wheel threshold braking, street rider, instructor, racer or motorcycle
god, you shouldn't be riding a f%cking motorcycle because you are too
f%cking stupid.  (not aimed at anyone specifically)



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
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|>>  What is your experience with modern day sport bikes?
|>>  
|>Quite a bit, I spent 8 years as a mechanic after all, and I like them. 

And how many emergency stops did you do while test driving them and
using rear brakes<g>

|>>  rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide,
|>>  causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side.
|>
|>Again the only answer is BULLSHIT! 
|>I have ridden sportbikes and always use the rear brakes, I have never had an 
|>unexpected lock up.

and how many emergencies and how far did the back wheel SLIDE? Do you
count that sliding as good stoping power? As controlled braking?

|>If the brake does lock up IT IS NO BIG DEAL!!!  

For us, yes, for new riders... they panic.. and we all know panic is
the sepreme evil of motorcycling.

|>Beginning rider course (MRC: RSS) braking exercises include:
|>
|>Stopping with both brakes (always)
|>Stopping quickly with both brakes
|>Stopping quickly on command with both brakes
|>Stopping on a curve with both brakes
|>Stopping quickly on a curve with both brakes
|>CONTROLLING REAR WHEEL SKIDS.   

Yes I know.. I passed it.

|>Experienced rider courses which are ridden on your own bike, include all of 
|>the above but exclude the rear wheel skid for bikes with linked brakes due to 
|>the danger of _front_ wheel lock up. I have seen hundreds of sportbikes lock 
|>the rear wheel and skid with not problems at all.

But that doesn't mean it's good useful braking. Would you say a bike
is more or less controllable with it's rear end swerving around? I'd
say less.

|>Fear of the rear brake is irrational  A rear wheel skid is easy to control 

who said fear?  I use my back brake at certain times on wet roads or
when goofing off..  but i know even when emergency braking, even
engine braking can cause the back wheel to skid.  I could ride around
the world with only the rear brake, but that doesn't mean anything.

|>In emergency I have skidded a rear wheel (No front brake, SURPRISE!!  ) some 
|>30 or 40ft. on pavement, 4-6 on dirt, and another 8-10 paved, all the time 
|>curving towards a small dirt hill I was hoping would stop me before I got to 
|>the rock lined ditch. I do admit at the time I was thinking  "Oh Shit, Oh 
|>Shit, Oh Shit!!!" But not because of the rear wheel lock up but because I 
|>donM-bM-^@M-^Yt like crashing into rocks. (I was halfway up the hill before I stopped.)

ok what the hell happened to your front brake mr mechanic?

|>If you are afraid of rear wheel skids you need to practice them I suggest the 
|>MSF experienced rider course but if testosterone poisoning  prevents you from 
|>doing that find yourself someplace and just do it.

I agree with that.

|>Remember thousand upon thousands of virgin riders across the country have had 
|>no problems controlling rear wheel skids, if they can do it so can you.

and probably the same amount have gotten fugged up using rear brakes
and skidding, except it was an emergency situation on a sportbike and
they tried what they were told in the msf class.

|>Oh MSF is not just for cruiser riders or even cruiser orientated, it was 
|>founded in the early 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys and was (still is) by the motorcycle manufacturers 
|>including all of the Japanese brands and Harley. In the 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys not one of the 
|>Japanese manufacturers was building a cruiser *Not one!* Why would they fund 
|>a cruiser orientated class?  Current funders include Ducati who as we all 
|>know only builds cruisers and knows nothing about sportbikes.

And how many MSF teachers can brake more effectively than racers?
How many MSF teachers are racers and use the braking technique on the
race track to slow down before  a curve? Here's a wild guess...
"zero".  :)



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The disassembled Vista unit can be seen at
http://compacc2.competitionaccessories.com/on-line-store/genericproduct.jhtm
l?itemId=5285
(among other Google pointers).  The unit in the pic mentioned below doesn't
seem to have the Vista features.

The Vista is a basically a thumb-operated friction band (adjustable) which
performs as a lock on a ring that is secured to the grip (different from
Throttlemeister, which works internal to the bar).  All adjusting accessible
and visible.

Looks like user choice for the price, cosmetic, and structural differences.

(And sweeping up a nit, they both mislable themselves as "cruise controls".
They merely lock throttle.)


Bill S. / DC
'99 VN750 --> You twist, I shout
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.


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From: Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Throttlemeister
At 10:27 AM 3/9/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Hmmm.  $105?  Maybe it's fancier than my Universal Vista Cruise lock ($25?)
>which has done well for several years.  The old packaging says "fits most
>Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Moto Guzzi."  Have seen it mentioned from
>time to time in catalogs.  Had to be careful about specifying bar diameter
>as I recall.

http://store1.yimg.com/I/azmotorsports_1678_3332932

That's the only style vista cruise I've ever seen.  Not something I want on
my sportbike.  The nice thing about the Throttlemeister is that it looks
like any other bar end, which all sportbikes have from the factory.  :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/


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I had a Vista cruise on my old Suzuki - worked as advertised.  The thumb lver
was well positioned for easy flip-off.  My current steed, a Hawg, has a star
screw betwixt the throttle cables which can be used to lock/friction load the
throttle.  Many Hawg riders say they use it on the highway - not me.  It's not
easily accessable.  Sure, one can work the trhottle over the friction but
knowing Murphy's Law I'll pass on the cleverly concealed Harley throttle
friction adjuster.

The wrist rocker thangs look usable - might have to try one of those.

Bill

mobacc wrote:

> The disassembled Vista unit can be seen at
> http://compacc2.competitionaccessories.com/on-line-store/genericproduct.jhtm
> l?itemId=5285
> (among other Google pointers).  The unit in the pic mentioned below doesn't
> seem to have the Vista features.
>
> The Vista is a basically a thumb-operated friction band (adjustable) which
> performs as a lock on a ring that is secured to the grip (different from
> Throttlemeister, which works internal to the bar).  All adjusting accessible
> and visible.
>
> Looks like user choice for the price, cosmetic, and structural differences.
>
> (And sweeping up a nit, they both mislable themselves as "cruise controls".
> They merely lock throttle.)
>
> Bill S. / DC
> '99 VN750 --> You twist, I shout
> Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.
>
> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX
> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 19:27:59 -0500
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> From: Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Throttlemeister
> At 10:27 AM 3/9/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hmmm.  $105?  Maybe it's fancier than my Universal Vista Cruise lock ($25?)
> >which has done well for several years.  The old packaging says "fits most
> >Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Moto Guzzi."  Have seen it mentioned from
> >time to time in catalogs.  Had to be careful about specifying bar diameter
> >as I recall.
>
> http://store1.yimg.com/I/azmotorsports_1678_3332932
>
> That's the only style vista cruise I've ever seen.  Not something I want on
> my sportbike.  The nice thing about the Throttlemeister is that it looks
> like any other bar end, which all sportbikes have from the factory.  :-)
>
> -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/


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My Harley bagger has never been a hands-off bike.  I thought that odd,
and I was also bothered by the not dangerous but annoying wobbles and
weaves the bike went thru when making aggresive lane changes etc etc.  I
chnaged shocks and fork springs to improve the handling.  Much improved,
but not perfect.  H-D techys weren't any help - tis the way it is, sez
they.  The hnadling quirks are often atributed to the front/rear wheel
offset, which has been reported to be 1/2 inch, 3/4 inch, an INCH!
Well, what is the offset?  It varies, shrugs the usual H-D tech.

A letter in this months MCN perked my interest.  An FLH owner examined
the bike and delved into the H-D factory manual under "alignment" and
fixed the problem!  Starnge setup - the rear swingarm and engine are a
unit, sort of.  Cranking on the front turnbuckle chnages the alignment
of the swing arm/engine to the frame.  Offset begone!  MCN did the trick
on their resident Road King.  Test rider sez mid-speed handling greatly
imroved, but he didn't get a chnace to test high speed - the cam bearing
puked.  What a surprise.

So I grabbed my factory manual and examinced my FLHS.  Sho-nuff, one can
move crap around and get that rear wheel and front wheel aligned.  It
ain't easy, invloves much wrenching which will have to wait for comfy
wam weather.  But I'm gonna make up the neccessary alignment fixtures
and do it.  If it works I'll be somewhat pissed.  At least 5 techys have
messed with the bike, but not one of them has bothered to align it!

Bill


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At 09:55 AM 3/10/02 -0500, Brian Roach wrote:

>After some more thought... there's a factor no one has mentioned here because
>we've all been talking in absolutes:
>
>Stability.
>
>On a racetrack, say turn 1 at Summit Point,  I slow my TZ250 from about
>150mph to 60mph then turn at max lean with a knee on the ground. I'm using
>only the front brake, and I try to modulate it at the very edge of locking
>up... the rear is unweighted and dancing around (or in the air), the front is
>compressed, and the bars are twitching as the front tries to come out from
>under you. On top of this... you're fully committed - you are not going to
>change direction while doing this.


As light as a  TZ250 is, ignoring the rear break may indeed be the best 
method.  But many of today's fastest professional road racers, expecially 
on 600cc and larger bikes, have learned that even on the race track using 
the rear break, appropriately, speeds your lap times.

When I raced (about 25-30 years ago), rear breaks tended to be really, 
really touchy, and ignoring the extra stopping power was a worthwhile 
trade-off compared to locking the rear up because it was hard to 
modulate.  Today's sport bikes and racers have really well designed rear 
brakes that are every bit as easy to modulate as the fronts, but the 
"fact"  that you shouldn't use the rear brake on the racetrack persists.  I 
think the real issue here is that most racers never learned to correctly 
modulate the rear brake.

Bob Meyer
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At 10:05 PM 3/9/02 -0500, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote:

>Let me be frank.  You've probably never raced and ride 
>conservatively.  Some inexperienced riders buy sport bikes and 
>instinctively use the rear brake.  This will usually be the cause of their 
>first accident (according to the Hurt Report).  Who is misleading whom?


Have you actually READ the Hurt report, as opposed to reading various web 
reports ABOUT the Hurt report?  I have, and you've got it completely 
wrong.  What Hurt said is that many riders use ONLY the rear brake, and 
doing that takes away most of your breaking power, and increases the 
likelihood of locking up the rear and losing control.

He NEVER said, nor even implied, that you shouldn't use the rear break.

Geez!

Bob Meyer
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At 06:21 PM 3/10/02 -0800, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote:

>Hi all,
>             I'd bet that if rear brake usage was unnecessary or 
> dangerous, that racers would be removing the rear brake system to save 
> weight, and bike manufacturers wouldn't add them to improve profits and 
> reduce lawsuits.
>     I'm sure that billions of dollars have been spent researching the use 
> of the rear brakes, and bikes today wouldn't have 'em if they weren't needed.


Good point, but you'll never convince some people.  But the truth is, this 
is an easy test for any rider to perform.  Find an empty parking lot, and 
brake hard from about 30-35 miles per hour.  Measure how long the stop took 
(in terms of parking spaces--you won't even need a tape measure.  Then do 
it again, using both brakes.

Report your results back here, please.

Bob Meyer



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At 06:15 AM 3/9/02 -0500, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:
>SPORTBIKES
>
>rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide,
>causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side.


Unfortunately, this says more about your riding/braking skills than it does 
the bike.

Bob Meyer



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I could use a pair of these just for working in the garage etc...

According to the website they are $ 44 a pair, where did you get the $ 25 price?

Thanks,

George Cole
01 FZ1

>>> Bob McKeithen <bmckeithen@XXXXXX> 03/08/02 08:43PM >>>
I just received what may an interesting alternative to expensive riding
jeans from an outfit called JD American Workwear. They are a very heavy
denim jean with padded leather covered knees and leather covered butt. The
good news is they are on sale for $25 a pair--the bad news is they are going
out of business on 1April. Check the website at http://www.jdamerican.com 

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Four words: NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Original Message:

> Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this
> afternoon.  We had a small crowd of about 20 people.  So where was
> everyone else???
>

A.  It's none of your business.  :)
B.  If it were, I would say I was washing my bike to remove three hundred
miles of South-Carolina-in-the-rain road spooge from last weekend.  May I be
excused now?

%^)

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Using the front or rear or both??? %^)

Original Message:
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jesus H christ     please stop       :(




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We wanted to make it, but have discovered that if we
leave our nursing dog alone for more than an hour at a
time, she uses Tom's office as a latrine.  =:o

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

> 
> Original Message:
> 
> > Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch
> the Daytona 200 this
> > afternoon.  We had a small crowd of about 20
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Chuck, are you interested (-;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1711908304

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*sigh*

I received an automated ticket in the mail yesterday from DC Metro
Police. It has a nice pretty picture of my cage heading down DC-295 at
what they have as 11 mph over the limit (of 50).

I don't go 61 in 50 zones -- 57, 59 maybe, but not 61.

Is it possible the radar is wrong? Is it even worth bothering to contest
it? I'm a little concerned that if I contest it I'd be admitting guilt
(and thus opening myself up to points-on-the-license, something I'd really
rather avoid if possible).

You folks seem to know all about this sort of stuff (or at least have
opinions). Any thoughts?

Ta much,

Fish.


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God, I love this thread!  Nothing like beating a dead horse! %)

1.  I agree with Bob that at "parking lot" or sane/legal street speeds, proper application of the rear brake in conjunction with proper application of the front brake will likely result in shorter stopping distances.  In fact, I've done exactly as Bob suggested to see if I could stop shorter by applying the rear brake and to see if I could learn to use the rear brake better/properly.  My experience in this type of environment that I've done what comes naturally and instinctively (i.e., apply the front brake) to provide the initial stopping power and then gradually applied the rear brake for additional stopping power.  No rear wheel slides, wiggles, step-outs, etc.

2.  That said, I can also say that when I was a newbie rider I made the mistake of applying only the rear brake in a relatively "high speed" panic situation (a traffic light turned red on me as I was rolling on WOT -- I hate it when that happens!)  In this instance application of the REAR BRAKE ONLY resulted in a pretty massive rear end wiggle/step-out (and the bike was straight up and down vertical).  Fortunately, I was smart/lucky enough to know to let off the brake and get back on the throttle.  I was even more fortunate to blast through the intersection on the red but before the cars that had the green moved across.  Definitely an "oh shit!" moment and a big oops.

3.  For "real world" sportbike riding (i.e., at a spirited pace usually at extra-legal speeds), I  agree more with the Roach and others who advocate using only the front brake -- which is basically what I do.  I find it much easier to modulate, control, feel what's going on.  Especially setting up for a turn (not talking about braking for a stop sign/light here).  At least for a mere mortal such as myself, an added complication of trying to use the rear brake is that I find it damn hard to have fine motor control of my right foot/ankle to modulate the rerar brake lever when I'm hanging off and putting a knee down (not that I would ever do that street riding!)  I would one day love to be like Mick and have the ability to use the rear to induce a controlled slike.  But first I think I'd at least need a thumb brake.  And maybe one day pigs will fly too!

4.  Should newbies (and riders in general) learn to use the rear brake?  You betcha!  Is front brake only "better" than combining the front and rear?  Probably in certain (maybe even a lot) of situations.  Is rear brake only appropriate?  Of course, under certain situation (e.g., tight parking lot maneuvers, low grip/traction).  Is the MSF-taught way to brake the only, unequivocally, and authoritatively best way to stop a m/c?  Of course not (yes, I've taken the MSF course).  Is everyone on this list talking at cross-purposes and comparing apples to oranges or generalizing specifics?  Probably, but it's been highly entertaining!

5.  Regardless of which is "better," I think the most important thing is that riders learn how to use the brakes (individually or in tandem) in such a way that they can bring themselves to a controlled stop (or slow down to an appropriate speed) for the type of m/c they ride and the kind of riding they do.  Ride a 600-pound behemouth cruiser at more or less legal speeds?  Probably easy enough to learn how to use both brakes (and BOTH are probably needed to bring such beasties to a full and complete stop in a relatively short distnace!)  Ride a modern sportbike with properly set-up suspension and braided front brake lines at extra legal speeds in the twisties or are a track day junkie?  You can probably have fun and be safe without ever touching the rear.  

6.  I think the main point that most of the "rear brake advocates" (and I'd put myself largely in that category) have been trying to make is that a lot of riders (especially newbie riders and especially newbie riders on sportbikes) are afraid of using the front (scarred memories of fear of flipping over the handlebars from riding a bicycle) and instinctively tend to over-use or exclusively use the rear (perfectly understandable since you brake with your foot in a car so it's more natural to use your foot when first starting out on a m/c).  And that this can get you into more trouble than just using the front (granted that over-use of the front will also get you into trouble and trying to recover from a front wheel slide is much harder than a rear wheel slide -- but I would bet that most people never really come close to over-using the front, i.e., in almost all street riding situations there's plenty more room to apply the front brakes but people don't know it and/or are too afraid to use it).

7.  I can think of one VERY GOOD reason to use the rear brake.  Max Biaggi at the Czech GP in Brno in 1999.  Victory wheelie where he brings his Marlboro Honda NSR500 almost past vertical.  No amount of front brake would've saved looping the bike at 100+mph as he showboated on the start/finish straight! %^)

8.  Finally, the real reason for not paying any attention whatsoever to the rear brake: STOPPIES! %^)

Chuck

Original Message:

Good point, but you'll never convince some people.  But the truth is, this 
is an easy test for any rider to perform.  Find an empty parking lot, and 
brake hard from about 30-35 miles per hour.  Measure how long the stop took 
(in terms of parking spaces--you won't even need a tape measure.  Then do 
it again, using both brakes.

Report your results back here, please.

Bob Meyer


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--- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:
> good luck trying to prove that a client of mine had
> the
> intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" a driver
> and
> his 3000+ pound vehicle while on his open-air
> 400-700lb
> defenseless motorcycle
> 

You know as well as I do, that you don't have to PROVE
anything, just make the jurors believe. There is a
difference. Besides, roll up next to a petit, shy
woman in a Geo Metro, shake your fist at her and tap
on her window a couple of times. Do you think she
could make a few jurors believe she was intimidated?
Hell, for that matter, I bet you could convince a few
jurors that revving the engine intimidated a driver.



> 
> > Now all we need is a means of dialing up the
> police
> > chopper to point out
> > the loony behaving in a seriously questionable
> manner.
> 
> also a brilliant idea.  that way we could keep the
> police
> choppers in the air, constantly, at $10k per hour
> (or
> whatever the silly friggin figure is), at OUR
> expense.
> 



Actually, I believe the figure is $280 an hour. WHAT A
BARGAIN!! :)

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\\\
-- Original Message -----
From: <daniel_ex250@XXXXXX>
\
|>Oh MSF is not just for cruiser riders or even cruiser orientated, it was
|>founded in the early 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys and was (still is) by the motorcycle
manufacturers
|>including all of the Japanese brands and Harley. In the 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys not one of
the
|>Japanese manufacturers was building a cruiser *Not one!* Why would they
fund
|>a cruiser orientated class?  Current funders include Ducati who as we all
|>know only builds cruisers and knows nothing about sportbikes.

And how many MSF teachers can brake more effectively than racers?
How many MSF teachers are racers and use the braking technique on the
race track to slow down before  a curve? Here's a wild guess...
"zero".  :)

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And what, exactly, would be the point of teaching racer braking technique to
rank newbies, some of whom have never swung a leg over a bike until Saturday
morning?  There are some very accomplished riders who teach MSF by the way,
perhaps you should answer the next appeal for RiderCoach candidates.

That said, I'm getting a little tired of the MSF bashing by self-proclaimed
"experts."  The MSF curriculum is not the "gold standard" for all things;
but it is carefully designed for a very particular purpose and is backed up
by many years of research and "real world" experience.  It is a beginning,
not an end.  There are a few contributors to this thread who are guilty of
using MSF curricula and the Hurt Report as straw men and distorting the
facts.

The MSF course (the current iteration is called the Basic RiderCourse) is
designed to teach beginners minimal skills which are applicable to *street*
riding at *street* speeds.  You experts out there care to tell me what the
Hurt Report found to be the median vehicle speed prior to a crash on the
street?  Hint:  it's lower than you think.  The median pre-crash speed was
just 29.8 mph.  [See below]  Those are the street speeds to which MSF
tailors the program.  MSF designed its courses to teach skills found to be
lacking--"essentially absent" the Report says-- in accident-involved riders,
to give them traffic awareness skills and above all to teach them to take
responsibility and ride within the limits of their skills, the environment
and their motorcycles.

Let's take a look at what was lacking in those accident-involved riders.
Basically they didn't know how to turn (let's include swerving as a subset
of turning) or how to stop (both brakes, progressive squeeze on the front,
light to lighter pressure on the rear as the bike slows).  We teach them to
become minimally competent doing those things so they can learn more *on
their own bikes* which may be a dual sport, sportbike, sport-tourer, cruiser
or full bagger tourer.  Linked brakes, ABS are in that mix too.  You can
sort out the finer points then.  That's it, simple.  But believe me, it's
plenty to learn in a weekend.

Hurt Report summary of findings >>
http://www.clarity.net/~adam/hurt-report.html

I pulled out three items germane to our discussion here:

4. In single vehicle accidents, motorcycle rider error was present as the
accident precipitating factor in about two-thirds of the cases, with the
typical error being a slideout and fall due to overbraking or running wide
on a curve due to excess speed or under-cornering.

16. The median pre-crash speed was 29.8 mph, and the median crash speed was
21.5 mph, and the one-in-a-thousand crash speed is approximately 86 mph.
[Median = half of the sample faster, half slower.  Notice how rare high
speed crashes are. 0.1% of the sample.  Ed.]

28. Motorcycle riders in these accidents showed significant collision
avoidance problems. Most riders would overbrake and skid the rear wheel, and
underbrake the front wheel greatly reducing collision avoidance
deceleration. The ability to countersteer and swerve was essentially absent.


Paul in DC
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At 10:21 AM 3/11/2002, Paul wrote:

>I pulled out three items germane to our discussion here:

"I don't care about the god-damned Germans...."

-- Larry
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> 
> That said, I'm getting a little tired of the MSF bashing by self-proclaimed
> "experts." 

I think this is taken way out of context.  I can speak for myself in saying I was not bashing MSF at all.  I was one of those riders who never "drove" a bike until I swung my leg over that Saturday morning...but what I am saying, is now that I ride on the street and race, I understand that MSF's teachings are basics and not necessarily applied in every situation.

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*sigh*

I received an automated ticket in the mail yesterday from DC Metro
Police. It has a nice pretty picture of my cage heading down DC-295 at
what they have as 11 mph over the limit (of 50).

I don't go 61 in 50 zones -- 57, 59 maybe, but not 61.

  <DJY>  Don't go there.  Figuratively, & literally.  Congratulation 
on being the latest contributor to DC's random road tax.  You can 
take comfort in knowing that the money will be used to fund one of 
DC's highly efficient and successful social programs, redistributing 
YOUR wealth to someone more in need, like the DC Government.  


Is it possible the radar is wrong? Is it even worth bothering to 
contest it?


   <DJY>  OF F%CKIN COURSE IT'S WRONG.  Radar works perfectly if 
aimed at 0 degrees at a moving target, meaning directly in front of 
you.  IF the radar unit was not DIRECTLY in front of you or behind 
you, then the radar unit's registered speed must be calculated at 
trial based on it's location (angle in relation to the measured 
vehicle) and registered speed.  This is commonly called the 'cosine 
error'.  As we know, Due process means nothing to the DC Government, 
so don't expect a whole lot of ability to contest.  

I Understand from a news report that you may file an affidavit on the 
back of the ticket indicating  that you were not the driver at the 
time.  You didn't indicate that you were *DRIVING* the cage at the 
time the picture was taken, which *CLEARLY* indicates to me that 
there IS reasonable doubt present in DC's assertion that YOU were 
driving.  I'll bet you can't be CERTAIN that it was you driving, CAN 
YOU <hint> ?  

You'd be well served to consult an attorney, but I believe you can 
indicate you weren't driving and you are not required by law to 
indicate who was.
              
Anyway, thanks for helping keep our Federal Taxes lower by 
contributing to the DC Random Road Tax, Fish...

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On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote:

> Does anyone know if the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible? I have friends
> with the GMRSX1 and I'm considering purchasing the FRSX2 (I'm cheap). The
> X1 just seems to have more range than the X2.

the  GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible on the first 7 channels. The biggest
differences are the GMRS units are 5 watts, vs. FRS at 0.5 watts. GMRS
requires a license $75/5 years I believe, and no test. Just fill out the
form and mail with a check. FRS is good for about 1/2-1 mile GMRS will do
closer to 3-5 miles.

I've done a bunch of traveling recently with FRS in the car and had
numerous occasions where I could see another car ahead of me on the road
but could not talk to them. I'd save up the money and get the GMRS unit.

-jd


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On Monday 11 March 2002 10:21, Paul Wilson wrote:

> That said, I'm getting a little tired of the MSF bashing by self-proclaimed
> "experts."  The MSF curriculum is not the "gold standard" for all things;
> but it is carefully designed for a very particular purpose and is backed up
> by many years of research and "real world" experience.  It is a beginning,
> not an end.  

I agree with you Paul. Having taken the MSF Basic course with someone (to 
provide moral support - I wasn't smart enough 13 years ago to take it), I 
think the MSF is by FAR the best way for someone to learn the basics of 
riding. 

The problem is that many don't have your enlightened view and will quote 
chapter and verse from the MSF ciriculum as if it WERE the only and best way 
to do things. In many cases, it's not. It balances rider skill (and in the 
case of the Basic course, this means near zero) and the capabilities of a 
motorcycle. It also draws on years of seeing what bad habits most try and 
bring along with them, and attempts to break (no pun intended) them. I 
believe this is THE #1 reason they advocate the use of both brakes. 

Most people draw on two experiences when it comes to brakes. Mashing a brake 
pedal to stop (as in a car), and that time when they hit the front brake on 
their bicycle and threw themselves over the bars onto their head :) The MSF 
had to figure out a way to get them to use the front brakes without scaring 
the hell out of them. Also, everything we've been arguing about only applies 
to a single situation: Dry pavement. If you tried to explain coefficients of 
friction, linear stability, etc in a MSF classroom... well, lets just say I 
don't think it would go too well :)

The trick is... being open to learning past the MSF. Everyone here on the 
"both brakes" side says using both stops you faster. Why? Where does this 
information come from? The MSF and the seat-of-the-pants meter. I've seen no 
other source of proof quoted or displayed. 

The BEST piece of info in this whole debate was the physics paper to which 
someone posted a link. It showed that when you hit a 1.0 coefficient of 
friction under braking, the rear brake is no longer useful. With the proper 
use of the front brakes under dry conditions on good pavement - that's 
exactly what will happen. It won't happen if it's wet, or if you're on 
gravel, or on a leaf-covered road, etc. 

What we should all learn from this is that there's a LOT to proper braking, 
and conditions (more specificly, available traction) dictate the proper use 
of the rear brake, not a single experience in a dry parking lot at 15mph.   

- Roach

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In a message dated 3/11/02 11:01:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> What we should all learn from this is that there's a LOT to proper braking, 
> and conditions (more specificly, available traction) dictate the proper use 
> 
> of the rear brake, not a single experience in a dry parking lot at 15mph.   
> 

So raise your hand if you have actually PRACTICED braking recently?  Many 
folks espouse the 'ideal braking' theory....very few make sure they can do 
it.  And yes....I do practice....in fact I've been doing it for the past 2 
weeks.  :-))

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 3/11/02 11:01:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What we should all learn from this is that there's a LOT to proper braking, <BR>
and conditions (more specificly, available traction) dictate the proper use <BR>
of the rear brake, not a single experience in a dry parking lot at 15mph.&nbsp;&nbsp; </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
So raise your hand if you have actually PRACTICED braking recently?&nbsp; Many folks espouse the 'ideal braking' theory....very few make sure they can do it.&nbsp; And yes....I do practice....in fact I've been doing it for the past 2 weeks.&nbsp; :-))<BR>
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Paul,

For the record, I took the MSF course, learned a lot, and had a lot fun -- especially dragging the pegs doing "fast" circles in the parking lot! %^)  The instructors also kindly let me know that I would be doc-ed points on the riding skills test if hung off, dragged the pegs, or insisted on using just the front brake.  They also weren't exactly keen about the fact that I covered and only used 2 fingers for the front brake.  But I never once thought I knew better or more and that I didn't have anything to learn or gain from taking the course.  I think every wannabe m/c rider should start with MSF (or some reasonable facsimile).  But MSF is a starting point.  The question is whether as riders progress along their own individual learning curves whether they advance and learn more or simply stick with what they were taught at parking lot speeds under very controlled conditions (which is IMHO the absolute best way to learn).  To each his/her own.  Everyone has different reasons for riding, different definitions of "fun", and different levels of acceptable risk/fear.  Even "advanced" riding schools (e.g., California Superbike School, Freddie Spencer, STAR, dP, etc.) have different approaches and thinking to riding.  The laws of physics are what keep us in contact with the ground (or not, as the case might be).  But there's usually more than one way to get something done.  And what works well for one person, might not work so well for another (you don't see every racer backing out the rear like Gary McCoy!)  I think there's only one "absolute" we can all agree on: CRASHING SUCKS!

Chuck

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That said, I'm getting a little tired of the MSF bashing by self-proclaimed
"experts."  The MSF curriculum is not the "gold standard" for all things;
but it is carefully designed for a very particular purpose and is backed up
by many years of research and "real world" experience.  It is a beginning,
not an end.  There are a few contributors to this thread who are guilty of
using MSF curricula and the Hurt Report as straw men and distorting the
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Roach asks -

 Also, everything we've been arguing about only applies 
to a single situation: Dry pavement.


  <DJY>  I don't remember the dry pavement assertion, but the same 
basic idea applies on wet pavement - the ability to stop in the 
shortest distance.

Everyone here on the "both brakes" side says using both stops you 
faster. Why? Where does this information come from? The MSF and the 
seat-of-the-pants meter. I've seen no other source of proof quoted or 
displayed. 


   <DJY>  I ask this question (I already know - it's a dry pavement 
test under ideal circumstances) How do the various moto rags come up 
with their braking evaluations ?  MCN, Sport Rider, Motorcyclist, 
Cycle World, Rider, Brit mags etc...  
If you took (and passed) the "Basic Rider Course" the single to 2 
brake comparison should've been made painfully apparent ...  Have 
they stopped teaching it ?


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Only because you've had to come off the high speed banking at Daytona to slow down for the chicane! %^)  BTW, how did you end up doing at the races?  Saw your name (briefly) up on the board on Speed Channel for the 750 Superstock race.  Congrats!

Original Message:
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So raise your hand if you have actually PRACTICED braking recently?  Many 
folks espouse the 'ideal braking' theory....very few make sure they can do 
it.  And yes....I do practice....in fact I've been doing it for the past 2 
weeks.  :-))

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Yes, thank you.  I should have said BOTH sides were distorting the MSF's
position for their own reasons in a reductio ad absurdum exercise.  It is
not either A)  a finishing school for cruiser riders who want to lope along
the back roads lovingly caressing the rear brake or B)  a definitive and
encyclopedic treatment of all things related to riding that came down from
the mountain with Moses.  It's simply a weekend course designed to prepare
riders to get a license, to correct some *fundamental* deficiencies
exhibited in untrained riders, to provide a non-threatening environment to
gain a little confidence in basic motorcycle operation and to establish a
basis for the students to continue skill development through all manner of
riding experiences and further education.  Above all it teaches attitude,
which to me is more valuable than some of the particulars.

Speaking personally, when stop learning new things about riding a
motorcycle, I think I'll quit.

Shall we discuss four fingers on the lever now?  :)

Paul in DC
Opinions my own, not MSF's, etc., etc.
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> On Monday 11 March 2002 10:21, Paul Wilson wrote:
>
> > That said, I'm getting a little tired of the MSF bashing by
self-proclaimed
> > "experts."  The MSF curriculum is not the "gold standard" for all
things;
> > but it is carefully designed for a very particular purpose and is backed
up
> > by many years of research and "real world" experience.  It is a
beginning,
> > not an end.
>
> I agree with you Paul. Having taken the MSF Basic course with someone (to
> provide moral support - I wasn't smart enough 13 years ago to take it), I
> think the MSF is by FAR the best way for someone to learn the basics of
> riding.
>
> The problem is that many don't have your enlightened view and will quote
> chapter and verse from the MSF ciriculum as if it WERE the only and best
way
> to do things. ...
>
> What we should all learn from this is that there's a LOT to proper
braking,
> and conditions (more specificly, available traction) dictate the proper
use
> of the rear brake, not a single experience in a dry parking lot at 15mph.
>
> - Roach


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In a message dated 3/11/02 11:23:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX 
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> <DJY>  I ask this question (I already know - it's a dry pavement 
> test under ideal circumstances) How do the various moto rags come up 
> with their braking evaluations ?  MCN, Sport Rider, Motorcyclist, 
> Cycle World, Rider, Brit mags etc...  
> If you took (and passed) the "Basic Rider Course" the single to 2 
> brake comparison should've been made painfully apparent ...  Have 
> they stopped teaching it ?

Apples & oranges here.  First you have to look at the comparative braking 
systems of the bikes being used.  A single caliper GS500 is probably going to 
benefit from the use of the rear brake...since it's front brake is relatively 
weak....when compared to a dual front disc GSXR with triple pot calipers.  
The GSXR's front brakes will easily loft the rear wheel ... whereas the GS 
will require somebody actively trying to do this.  It also bears mentioning 
that the GSXR will generally have better (grippy) tires.  This will also 
significantly add to the braking capabilities.

Keener

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 3/11/02 11:23:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&lt;DJY&gt;&nbsp; I ask this question (I already know - it's a dry pavement <BR>
test under ideal circumstances) How do the various moto rags come up <BR>
with their braking evaluations ?&nbsp; MCN, Sport Rider, Motorcyclist, <BR>
Cycle World, Rider, Brit mags etc...&nbsp; <BR>
If you took (and passed) the "Basic Rider Course" the single to 2 <BR>
brake comparison should've been made painfully apparent ...&nbsp; Have <BR>
they stopped teaching it </BLOCKQUOTE>?</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Apples &amp; oranges here.&nbsp; First you have to look at the comparative braking systems of the bikes being used.&nbsp; A single caliper GS500 is probably going to benefit from the use of the rear brake...since it's front brake is relatively weak....when compared to a dual front disc GSXR with triple pot calipers.&nbsp; The GSXR's front brakes will easily loft the rear wheel ... whereas the GS will require somebody actively trying to do this.&nbsp; It also bears mentioning that the GSXR will generally have better (grippy) tires.&nbsp; This will also significantly add to the braking capabilities.<BR>
<BR>
Keener</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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In a message dated 3/11/02 11:29:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:

> Only because you've had to come off the high speed banking at Daytona to 
> slow down for the chicane! %^)  BTW, how did you end up doing at the races? 
>  Saw your name (briefly) up on the board on Speed Channel for the 750 
> Superstock race.  Congrats!

:-))

That's the easy braking zone...it's all upright.  Try barreling across the 
finish line at 175 mph and then having to go to full braking....while leaned 
over.  Yup...the 750 is certainly an eye opener.  But at least it's teaching 
me better braking techniques & brake markers.  I had a good vacation in 
Florida...2 weeks at the speedway.  Hehehe.  I did CCS & FUSA races the first 
weekend...and AMA the second.  As for my results....I'm happier that I 
qualified on only my 2nd weekend on a 750.  I finished 49th in the 750 
race...and 15th in the Pro Thunder race.  Now if I can just get a feel for 
driving out of a turn sideways under power....always have to learn something 
new dontcha know.  I heard I actually got airtime on the 750 race....as I got 
lapped by the leaders...DOH!  Oh well....next year I'll hopefully have 
figured out how to ride...I hope.  :)

Keener

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 3/11/02 11:29:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Only because you've had to come off the high speed banking at Daytona to slow down for the chicane! %^)&nbsp; BTW, how did you end up doing at the races?&nbsp; Saw your name (briefly) up on the board on Speed Channel for the 750 Superstock race.&nbsp; Congrats!</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
:-))<BR>
<BR>
That's the easy braking zone...it's all upright.&nbsp; Try barreling across the finish line at 175 mph and then having to go to full braking....while leaned over.&nbsp; Yup...the 750 is certainly an eye opener.&nbsp; But at least it's teaching me better braking techniques &amp; brake markers.&nbsp; I had a good vacation in Florida...2 weeks at the speedway.&nbsp; Hehehe.&nbsp; I did CCS &amp; FUSA races the first weekend...and AMA the second.&nbsp; As for my results....I'm happier that I qualified on only my 2nd weekend on a 750.&nbsp; I finished 49th in the 750 race...and 15th in the Pro Thunder race.&nbsp; Now if I can just get a feel for driving out of a turn sideways under power....always have to learn something new dontcha know.&nbsp; I heard I actually got airtime on the 750 race....as I got lapped by the leaders...DOH!&nbsp; Oh well....next year I'll hopefully have figured out how to ride...I hope.&nbsp; :)<BR>
<BR>
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

> You'd be well served to consult an attorney, but I believe you can
> indicate you weren't driving and you are not required by law to
> indicate who was.

Blah. Lawyers. I'd rather just pay the fine, especially since no points
are being *ahem* rewarded.

> Anyway, thanks for helping keep our Federal Taxes lower by
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Hey, my pleasure. :) Could be worse, I could be giving my money to
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On Mon, 11 March 2002, SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:

>A single caliper GS500 is probably going to benefit >from the use of the rear brake...since it's front >brake is relatively weak

I can attest to this after almost rear-ending Roach on his ducati on the way to a bike night.  It was the first time being on my GS since I'd been racing and didn't realize just how little of front brakes my GS had. :)

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In a message dated 3/11/02 11:33:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
pawilson@XXXXXX writes:

> Yes, thank you.  I should have said BOTH sides were distorting the MSF's
> position for their own reasons in a reductio ad absurdum exercise.  It is
> not either A)  a finishing school for cruiser riders who want to lope along
> the back roads lovingly caressing the rear brake or B)  a definitive and
> encyclopedic treatment of all things related to riding that came down from
> the mountain with Moses.  It's simply a weekend course designed to prepare
> riders to get a license, to correct some *fundamental* deficiencies
> exhibited in untrained riders, to provide a non-threatening environment to
> gain a little confidence in basic motorcycle operation and to establish a
> basis for the students to continue skill development through all manner of
> riding experiences and further education.  Above all it teaches attitude,
> which to me is more valuable than some of the particulars.

Excellent description...fits perfectly.

> Speaking personally, when stop learning new things about riding a
> motorcycle, I think I'll quit.

I can second that one.  Next racing arena to try...motocross....heheheh.

> Shall we discuss four fingers on the lever now?  :)

Depends on the rider, brake strength, and habits.   I'm a 3 finger brake 
covering kinda person.  I know...I'm a freak.  :)

Keener

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 3/11/02 11:33:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yes, thank you.&nbsp; I should have said BOTH sides were distorting the MSF's<BR>
position for their own reasons in a reductio ad absurdum exercise.&nbsp; It is<BR>
not either A)&nbsp; a finishing school for cruiser riders who want to lope along<BR>
the back roads lovingly caressing the rear brake or B)&nbsp; a definitive and<BR>
encyclopedic treatment of all things related to riding that came down from<BR>
the mountain with Moses.&nbsp; It's simply a weekend course designed to prepare<BR>
riders to get a license, to correct some *fundamental* deficiencies<BR>
exhibited in untrained riders, to provide a non-threatening environment to<BR>
gain a little confidence in basic motorcycle operation and to establish a<BR>
basis for the students to continue skill development through all manner of<BR>
riding experiences and further education.&nbsp; Above all it teaches attitude,<BR>
which to me is more valuable than some of the particulars.</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Excellent description...fits perfectly.</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Speaking personally, when stop learning new things about riding a<BR>
motorcycle, I think I'll quit.</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I can second that one.&nbsp; Next racing arena to try...motocross....heheheh.</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Shall we discuss four fingers on the lever now?&nbsp; :)</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Depends on the rider, brake strength, and habits.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm a 3 finger brake covering kinda person.&nbsp; I know...I'm a freak.&nbsp; :)<BR>
<BR>
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We teach what we teach because we are targeting novices. They can't
ever go wrong using what we drum into their heads in the short span of
10 hours. You want to do rolling stoppies, 1 finger braking, removing
the rear brake, etc. I don't care. We address the 95+% of riders out
there that don't race, don't own a sports bike, don't ride like a fool
on the street, don't do stoppies, etc. Basically the generic schmoe who
rides when it's 70 deg or better, dry, and daylight. It's these
(future) Jane/John Doe's who can't seem to do basic MC operation that
we have an interest in training so we can make a dent in those
accident/fatality stats. (not that we seem to be making much progress
mind you) VA trains only a couple of percent of riders on the DMV
rolls.

Since somebody asked: I race and teach. On the track I almost never use
the rear brake unless I need to make a minor adjustment in speed
(running up somebody's ass) or am sufficiently un-hurried in the corner
approach that I can use both. But by a large margin my race-track
braking is all front because all available CPU power is dedicated and I
don't have spare cycles to devote to applying and monitoring the rear,
and not because my rear tire is in the air. In track riding, time is
super-squashed. Road-riding is cognitively leisurely.

I realize there is probably a large number of listers who never ride
when conditions aren't ideal. So do yourselves a favor: practice
maximum braking like Keener said, and while you're at it use both
brakes so you're accustomed to using that amount of brain-power and
those particular muscles. If you're out and you happen to be in the
wet, that way you have a better chance of knowing how to stop when you
need to and won't go 'crunch.' Better yet, go deliberately ride in the
wet every chance you can. And spend 30 minutes in a rain-soaked parking
lot doing maximum braking exercises.

FWIW, I engage the front brake and about 1/2 second later engage the
rear and continue to add pressure to the front. I don't have to think
about the delay - it's automatic. I get the benefit of rear braking
force (fairly effective drum on the CB750 vs mostly useless disk on the
Trident) and don't generally run the risk of mashing the rear in an
emergency and getting myself into trouble. The only time I've ever used
the rear brake a lot (not powerfully though) on the street was running
the Dragon in a torrential downpour.

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GS brakes weak? Well compared to the likes of a modern dual-disk sport
bike I guess they could be considered as such. But I think they are
really quite excellent. Normally the gotcha with the GS is really weak
front suspension. The GS is a light bike an unless you're a big
lard-ass the setup is just fine. Now try a cb750 (easy +100lbs) on a
single disk and 2-pot caliper. That's weak.

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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
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The general consensus is to pay it to avoid it going on your record.
you pay it, it doesn't go on your record. You fight it,  and if found
guilty it goes on your record.  So if I were in your place, I'd just
pay it.  If it bothers you, write about it to the papers.

I know one thing. It's not justice.  They can't identify you, yet they
are charging you with the crime.  In exchange for money, they wont'
prosecute  you. Legalized extortion.


Danny

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:50:07 -0600 (CST), you wrote:

|>*sigh*
|>
|>I received an automated ticket in the mail yesterday from DC Metro
|>Police. It has a nice pretty picture of my cage heading down DC-295 at
|>what they have as 11 mph over the limit (of 50).
|>
|>I don't go 61 in 50 zones -- 57, 59 maybe, but not 61.
|>
|>Is it possible the radar is wrong? Is it even worth bothering to contest
|>it? I'm a little concerned that if I contest it I'd be admitting guilt
|>(and thus opening myself up to points-on-the-license, something I'd really
|>rather avoid if possible).
|>
|>You folks seem to know all about this sort of stuff (or at least have
|>opinions). Any thoughts?
|>
|>Ta much,
|>
|>Fish.
|>


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From: Robert Verde <c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX>
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The good news; I finally got my project 750 Interceptor back on the road.
Powdercoated frame, wheels, valve covers, clutch cover, water pump cover, dog
bones, foot peg carriers (?), etc., etc.  New tires, radiator, Pro-flo clipons,
steel braided lines, clutch assembly, brake assembly, and some other stuff.

Weather on Saturday was great motivation to stay in the garage and finish the
work, weather on Sunday motivated me to drive to Leesburg, visit a friend, watch
some movies, hang out...

Bad news; returning on Rt 7, 9 PM, ready to turn south on 28, red and blue
lights in the mirror.  78 in a 55, reckless driving.  Since it was all of about
30 degrees out there last night, I would have hoped for a little slack, but Mr.
State Trooper didn't see it that way.

So, if anyone has any recommendations for a good lawyer (Loudon County offense)
I'd be happy to hear about her/him/them.  Given that I am sympathetic to the
state budget shortfall that has hit VA, I don't mind paying the fine, but I do
object to a  mark on my spotless record, especially one that will certainly
impact my insurance rate.

Thanks for all replies, preferably off list, as I am reading in digest mode!

Robert Verde

'83 Honda VF750F (RC-15) "BUDOKA"


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I'm not bashing MSF,  I'm glad it exists. They do good work.
That's not to say they are not to be questioned.  All data should be 
questioned. Without scrutiny, errors go by.

Also as wonderful as MSF is, that doesn't mean they are always 100%
correct. They are compramised of humans who make mistakes.

I happen to believe, along with countless other sportbike riders
that when it comes to sport bikes and emergency braking, the
concentration should be on the front brake usage, and rear brake
usuage is most likely a diversion to what's important and adds
unneeded risk of further complications.  Of course we're not trying to
say that's the golden rule for all scenerios, but it's generally good
principle for most "stop ASAP" scenerios.

I have yet to see anyone bashing MSF.
  
Questioning them is not bashing them. 


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If you work on your rolling endos every time you come to that last
traffic light before you get to your home, does that count as
practicing your braking?  heheh

Danny

|>So raise your hand if you have actually PRACTICED braking recently?  Many 
|>folks espouse the 'ideal braking' theory....very few make sure they can do 
|>it.  And yes....I do practice....in fact I've been doing it for the past 2 
|>weeks.  :-))
|>
|>Keener


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|>Shall we discuss four fingers on the lever now?  :)

YES!  : )

When braking i try to keep my fingers from inbetween the brake lever
and the bar for safety reasons, while I might only apply pressure with
two. :)

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Y'know, this is a "family" list (geez, did I just agree with Gimer???) and we definitely don't need to know about you "rear ending" Roach! %^)

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I can attest to this after almost rear-ending Roach on his ducati on the way to a bike night.  It was the first time being on my GS since I'd been racing and didn't realize just how little of front brakes my GS had. :)

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Well for starters you questioned the riding skills of hundreds of people
you've never met and implied we're all idiots, don't know anything about
sport riding, etc., for following the curriculum that's been vetted through
many years of experience.  Is what MSF teaches perfect and above reproach,
of course not, but it's a damn sight better than anything else for rank
newbies or some of the "conventional wisdom" you hear.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F

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I'm not bashing MSF,  I'm glad it exists. ..

I have yet to see anyone bashing MSF.





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Scott,

What was your plate number iin the 750 race?  I have it on tape and digital recording.  I will look for the ignominious pass.

Chuck

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new dontcha know.  I heard I actually got airtime on the 750 race....as I got 
lapped by the leaders...DOH!  Oh well....next year I'll hopefully have 
figured out how to ride...I hope.  :)

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In a message dated 3/11/02 12:20:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> If you work on your rolling endos every time you come to that last
> traffic light before you get to your home, does that count as
> practicing your braking?  heheh

Uh...not always...but ocassionally I'm a squid.

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> Scott,
> 
> What was your plate number iin the 750 race?  I have it on tape and digital 
> recording.  I will look for the ignominious pass.
> 
> Chuck

Uh...you mean Steve?  :)  My AMA number is 229.  

Keener

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No, I meant Scott.  Who's Steve?  And why are you pretending to be Scott? %^)

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In a message dated 3/11/02 12:36:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> Scott,
> 
> What was your plate number iin the 750 race?  I have it on tape and digital 
> recording.  I will look for the ignominious pass.
> 
> Chuck

Uh...you mean Steve?  :)  My AMA number is 229.  

Keener

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Long time lurker here.  Still enjoying the front vs. rear braking thread that Dysart
stared over a week ago now...  wondering when it will ever end.

Guess the Mofos are best at avoiding the whole argument in the first place - they just
don't use the brakes at all.

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> No, I meant Scott.  Who's Steve?  And why are you pretending to be Scott? 
> %^)

:-P

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Took advantage of Sears' 10% off this week end and snagged a compression
gauge for $22.50 +tax (Same as $30 gauges at Trak & PepBoys) 
Alas, when I got home, I realized that it (& the ones at Trak & Pep Boyz)
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On Mon, 11 March 2002, "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote:

> 
> Y'know, this is a "family" list (geez, did I just agree with Gimer???) and we definitely don't need to know about you "rear ending" Roach! %^)
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> GS brakes weak? Well compared to the likes of a modern dual-disk sport
> bike I guess they could be considered as such. But I think they are
> really quite excellent. Normally the gotcha with the GS is really weak
> front suspension. The GS is a light bike an unless you're a big
> lard-ass the setup is just fine. Now try a cb750 (easy +100lbs) on a
> single disk and 2-pot caliper. That's weak.

Hey now...that resembles me!!!  :)

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really quite excellent. Normally the gotcha with the GS is really weak<BR>
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A mysterious lurker fanned the flames -

Long time lurker here.  Still enjoying the front vs. rear braking 
thread that Dysart stared over a week ago now...  wondering when it 
will ever end.


   <DJY>  This little campfire pales in comparison to the mid 90's 
brake thread forest fire ;-)  Nobody's even unsubbed in protest 
yet...  Doesn't look like it's over yet though :-)   

And Glen(n?) has been conspicuously absent from the discussion...  

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:

> They can't identify you, yet they are charging you with the crime.

I'm not too keen on the fine, or the speed limit on that stretch of road,
or the automated ticketing mechanism... but I must say that I can't get
too upset that it's me they're fining. It's my vehicle, and I'm
responsible for it. It wasn't stolen, which means either that I was
piloting the damn thing at the time, or that I'd entrusted it to someone
else. Either way, it's my problem. If it were someone else driving, I
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Of course, if points were being assigned to my license for someone else's
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One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms send tickets to people
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fine vary?

Fish.
founder, society for vigilante destruction of red light cameras

... and yes, that's a joke


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From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
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Fish Flowers wrote:
> 
> Fish.
> founder, society for vigilante destruction of red light cameras
> 
> ... and yes, that's a joke

No, it's not.  Where do I join?  :)

-- 
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At 12:35 PM 3/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:

>I'm not too keen on the fine, or the speed limit on that stretch of road,
>or the automated ticketing mechanism... but I must say that I can't get
>too upset that it's me they're fining. It's my vehicle, and I'm
>responsible for it. It wasn't stolen, which means either that I was
>piloting the damn thing at the time, or that I'd entrusted it to someone
>else. Either way, it's my problem. If it were someone else driving, I
>might be interested in pursuing them for money to pay the fine, but that's
>my affair.



Hmm, so if you lend your cage to someone, and they rob a 7-11 using it, 
you're responsible, because they used your car?  Of perhaps a better 
analogy:  you lend someone your gun to go target shooting, and they use it 
to rob the 7-11.  Are you responsible?

Vehicles don't speed, or run red lights, by themselves.  Drivers and riders 
are responsible for making them do those things.  And up until fairly 
recently, only the driver could be charged with doing so.   Ever hear of 
innocent until PROVEN guilty?   That means you get a day in court, any 
witnesses have to testify that they saw YOU commit a crime, and you can 
cross examine those witnesses.

Then along comes Lockheed, with it's get-rich-quick scheme for local 
governments, and all of a sudden those same governments need to find a way 
around 200 years of case law.  How can the camera testify that YOU were 
driving?  How can you cross examine a camera? Sounds like a big 
problem.   Ah ha!  We just won't call speeding a crime if it's witnessed by 
a camera, we'll call it a civil violation!

So if a cop sees you going 75 in a 55, it's a crime and you get points.  If 
a camera sees you going 75 in a 55, the exact same action becomes a civil 
violation, not a crime.  Give me a break.  Some smart lawyer ought to take 
a state to court and claim unequal enforcement of the law:  either speeding 
is a crime, in which case speed cameras should be inadmissable, or speeding 
is NOT a crime, in which case no points should be assessed, ever.

The states probably wouldn't object to the latter, since revenue is the 
primary goal of speed enforcement anyway.  But the insurance industry would 
sure lobby hard against it, because w/o points how would they jack up your 
rates to ensure inflated profits on mandatory insurance.

TW,
Bob Meyer
'92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157
=====================================================
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather,
because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs.


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At 01:43 PM 3/11/2002 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote:
>Fish Flowers wrote:
> >
> > Fish.
> > founder, society for vigilante destruction of red light cameras
> >
> > ... and yes, that's a joke
>
>No, it's not.  Where do I join?  :)


Great Britain has passed a law regulating the use of speed cameras.  In 
many instances (though with some exceptions), they must be painted bright 
yellow (apparently drivers were slamming on their brakes when encountering 
one, causing a raft of rear-end collisions), can't be located too close 
together, and some other common sense rules.  I'll look for the article I 
saw, and post some more details if I find it.

In the meantime, if you live in Virginia, write your state 
legislators.  There was a bill introduced in the last sessions to ban red 
light cameras.  With enough popular support, maybe a ban can pass next year.



ITW,
Bob Meyer
'92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157
=====================================================
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather,
because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs.


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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Bob Meyer wrote:

> Hmm, so if you lend your cage to someone, and they rob a 7-11 using
> it, you're responsible, because they used your car?  Or perhaps a
> better analogy:  you lend someone your gun to go target shooting, and
> they use it to rob the 7-11.  Are you responsible?

In these cases, no; but as you later point out, I am not being charged
with a criminal offense, merely levied a fine.

I agree with you that the rules/laws as they stand are arbitrary, irksome,
and possibly unconstitutional. I've often felt that most traffic
enforcement is arbitrary.

But that doesn't mean that responsibility shouldn't enter into it. To use
your example of lending someone a gun for target practice which they then
use to rob a store: yes, I would hold myself somewhat responsible for
that. Under the law, I agree that I shouldn't be prosecuted, but that
doesn't mean I didn't bollocks it up by loaning a lethal weapon[1] to an
untrustworthy idiot. I should have known better. (Of course, mistakes
happen, and anyway I'm a terrible judge of character.)

Fish.
i resent being called an irresponsible idiot... i'm a responsible one

[1] -- a'course, your average motor vehicle can be just as deadly as a
firearm... if not more so


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Hey all,

Was just wondering what the policy is for motorcycle registration in VA.
I remember reading somewhere that they require you to have your bike
inspected before you can register it, but in looking at the VA DMV website
it doesn't make any mention of this.

Can I title/register my bike in VA, get the tags, then take it to go get
inspected?  Or do I have to find a way to get the bike to an inspection
station before I can register it?

Thanks.

Rob


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Rob asks -

Can I title/register my bike in VA, get the tags, then take it to go get
inspected?  Or do I have to find a way to get the bike to an inspection
station before I can register it?


	<DJY>  I moved from the Peoples Republic of Maryland last year, and
while still legally using MD tags, I got my inspection, went to DMV &
got my permanent tags, registration & title in one swell foop.  I
believe you can get title / tags / registration without safety
inspection, but I thought it would be less hassle to just get the
inspection 1st...

HTH


Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


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Yes

Glenn
--- Rob J <rob@XXXXXX> wrote:
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> Can I title/register my bike in VA, get the tags,
> then take it to go get
> inspected?  Or do I have to find a way to get the
> bike to an inspection
> station before I can register it?

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Bob,

If you are an excellent rider/racer and have the ability to modulate the rear brake accurately when riding at racing speeds and in racing dynamics it can be an excellent tool for pre-turn set-up and an equally effective tool for bringing the rear wheel around in a controlled slide but for slowing down it really isn't a factor.  I'm not that talented so I don't use it for those purposes.  Engine braking provides about as much braking power to the rear wheel as can be sustained on a sport or race bike (even my 2-strokes) maximizing the power of the front brake.  Riding on the edge on the street (and a panic situation on the street is similar to what we do on the track at nearly every turn in terms of dynamics)I believe that the rear brake is just about as useful as on the track.  It provides little advantage and some risk.  

I don't deny that expert use of the rear brake with more careful use of the front brake will not stop you faster.  The question is, in racing or in a panic situation on the street, is the additional attention one has give to both brakes useful or advantageous?  The problem with instinctively using the rear brake is that, invariably, in panic situation a street rider, particularly a novice, will let adrenaline take over and press down just a little harder with his/her foot and become one of the single vehicle accident statistics mentioned in the Hurt Report.   

This is the rationale other (European) motorcycle safety organizations use to discourage the use of the rear brake for novices.  

I like to think of the rear brake as an emergency brake.  At the Grand National Finals at Road Atlanta last fall I lost the front brake at mid race and I continued to race using the rear, very carefully.  People I passed easily earlier in the race went by me, but at least I finished.  I certainly wouldn't race without a rear brake, it is useful when one takes an off track excursion and when the front brake goes away for some reason.

You may be more talented than most and can safely use the rear brake while riding on the edge, for a majority of riders and racers this is not the case.

Fred

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on 3/11/02 8:48 AM, George Cole at George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote:

> I could use a pair of these just for working in the garage etc...
> 
> According to the website they are $ 44 a pair, where did you get the $ 25
> price?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George Cole
> 01 FZ1
> 
>>>> Bob McKeithen <bmckeithen@XXXXXX> 03/08/02 08:43PM >>>
> I just received what may an interesting alternative to expensive riding
> jeans from an outfit called JD American Workwear. They are a very heavy
> denim jean with padded leather covered knees and leather covered butt. The
> good news is they are on sale for $25 a pair--the bad news is they are going
> out of business on 1April. Check the website at http://www.jdamerican.com
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
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LAURA GRANATO wrote:

> I can attest to this after almost rear-ending Roach on his ducati on the way to a bike night.  It was the first time being on my GS since I'd been racing and didn't realize just how little of front brakes my GS had. :)
>
> Ooooops!
> LAG
>

Your squeezer must be out of practice.  I would guess that you could go over the limit and lock the front wheel with those so called weak calipers.

Bill


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Dang.  I thought all compression gauge sets came with both standard plug
sizes.  Mine does and I think it's Craftsman.  Has a quick connect like air
compressor hoses for the two in the hole parts.

Bill

Custer, Carl wrote:

> Took advantage of Sears' 10% off this week end and snagged a compression
> gauge for $22.50 +tax (Same as $30 gauges at Trak & PepBoys)
> Alas, when I got home, I realized that it (& the ones at Trak & Pep Boyz)
> don't have the smaller (12mm?) thread adapters that fit motorcycle plugs.
> Snap On has one for $30 (gee whillikers!)
> IIRC reading about someone who cobbled one from an old spark plug -- but --
> before I try that, I'll machine one from Delrin or poly-summate.
> But first, I'll whine and beg the list for suggestions as to cheap sources
> for adaptors.
>
> Carl in Brr-thesda


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"Then along comes Lockheed, with it's get-rich-quick scheme for local
governments, and all of a sudden those same governments need to find
a way around 200 years of case law."

Lockheed Martin did indeed use its technology and know how to
maximize its shareholders wealth...but it should be noted that they
sold off that operating unit back in November 2001.  Lockheed is no
longer in the red light/speed camera business. 

Herb
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>
> Your squeezer must be out of practice.  I would guess that you could go
over the limit and lock the front wheel with those so called weak calipers.
>
nah, squeezer is just fine...just didn't realize the *true* difference
between race bike brake set up and street bike brakes.

LAG


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danniedavis@XXXXXX offers:

jesus H christ     please stop       :(

I reply: A-freakin' men. For god's sake, man, when are y'all gonna realize
you're just arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and
arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and  arguing and
arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and
arguing and arguing and arguing, and you're not getting any-freakin' where.
No one is swaying anyone else's opinion, and facts/half-truths/out-right
lies just keep getting flung around. Can this maybe be taken off list
amongst the principals until you've all come to a decision. We'd like maybe
a little 2-minute book report of your findings, but please find the findings
in private.

I keep thinking about that comparison between internet arguing and winning
the Special Olympics. It's terribly insensitive but accurate in this
instance.

Let's start a Daytona results thread or something. Someone tell me something
about the other sanctioning bodies' races that I didn't see on SV.

Howard J. Koontz
2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (Terminally For Sale)



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On Monday 11 March 2002 19:25, you wrote:

> Your squeezer must be out of practice.  I would guess that you could go
> over the limit and lock the front wheel with those so called weak calipers.

Actually... it's more of a difference between a 300lbs Aprilia two-stroke 
race bike which comes equiped with dual discs and the same Brembo calipers 
found on a Ducati 900ss, equiped with Performance Friction sintered pads vs. 
a 400lbs GS500 with stock pads, stock lines, etc ... grab a handful on the 
aprilia and you're staring at your own front number plate. Grab a handfull on 
the GS and you stop... eventually :)

- Roach

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Dave Yates wrote:

> Rob asks -
>
> Can I title/register my bike in VA, get the tags, then take it to go get
> inspected?  Or do I have to find a way to get the bike to an inspection
> station before I can register it?
>
>
> 	<DJY>  I moved from the Peoples Republic of Maryland last year, and
> while still legally using MD tags, I got my inspection, went to DMV &
> got my permanent tags, registration & title in one swell foop.  I
> believe you can get title / tags / registration without safety
> inspection, but I thought it would be less hassle to just get the
> inspection 1st...

Excellent.  I just bought this bike from someone in MD, so it has never
been in VA before.  I just wanted to get it titled/tagged/registered
before I had someone take it out to get it inspected.

Thanks for the info!

Rob


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>
> Actually... it's more of a difference between a 300lbs Aprilia two-stroke
> race bike which comes equiped with dual discs and the same Brembo calipers
> found on a Ducati 900ss, equiped with Performance Friction sintered pads
vs.
> a 400lbs GS500 with stock pads, stock lines, etc ... grab a handful on the
> aprilia and you're staring at your own front number plate. Grab a handfull
on
> the GS and you stop... eventually :)
>
> - Roach

Yea, what he said!  That's exactly what I meant.

LAG



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At 07:44 PM 3/10/02 , you wrote:
>Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this 
>afternoon.  We had a small crowd of about 20 people.  So where was 
>everyone else???

Petty Tower, Section T, Row 47, Seat 1 :-)

Andrew


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 cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:

> Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this 
> afternoon.  We had a small crowd of about 20 people.  So where was 
> everyone else???
> 

  In the infield, the pits, enjoying the 80 degree temps. Missed you, though. 
 :)

Steve Broadstreet
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On Monday 11 March 2002 20:55, Andrew Culpepper wrote:
> At 07:44 PM 3/10/02 , you wrote:
> >Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this
> >afternoon.  We had a small crowd of about 20 people.  So where was
> >everyone else???
>
> Petty Tower, Section T, Row 47, Seat 1 :-)

Inquiring minds want to know: Did you ride the EX all the way down there??

- Roach

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>Excellent.  I just bought this bike from someone in MD, so it has never
>been in VA before.  I just wanted to get it titled/tagged/registered
>before I had someone take it out to get it inspected.

Sorry, but you have to have it inspected *before* VA DMV will register it.
The DMV agent will insist on having the pink inspection slip in his/her hot
little hand.

When dealing with a MD moto dealer, like Free State Cycle, if you want
them to get your VA plates,  they will do it, but first you have to take the
bike with temporary MD plates, get a VA inspection, and bring the VA
inspection slip back to the dealer so the dealer can get the plates.

-- Larry






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Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering.   What are the
merits of using the rear brake when braking?  Has this ever been
discussed before?

Thanks!

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Hey - can anyone send the last 7 or so days of DCC Archives to Tom ???  

How about we ALL do it ????   

Dave Yates
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LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ 

Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering.   What are the
merits of using the rear brake when braking?  Has this ever been
discussed before?

Thanks!

Tom Fitzpatrick 

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At 09:03 PM 3/11/02 , Brian Roach wrote:
>On Monday 11 March 2002 20:55, Andrew Culpepper wrote:
> > At 07:44 PM 3/10/02 , you wrote:
> > >Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this
> > >afternoon.  We had a small crowd of about 20 people.  So where was
> > >everyone else???
> >
> > Petty Tower, Section T, Row 47, Seat 1 :-)
>
>Inquiring minds want to know: Did you ride the EX all the way down there??

Yes, but I took two days each way.

Too bad I missed you and Keener on the first weekend.  Good job!


Andrew C.
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'01 ZR-7S


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Tom --

It's OK to apply rear brake except if you use synthetic oil.

8-P

-ph

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Tom Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering.   What are the
> merits of using the rear brake when braking?  Has this ever been
> discussed before?
> 
> Thanks!



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Brian Roach wrote:

> On Monday 11 March 2002 19:25, you wrote:
>
> > Your squeezer must be out of practice.  I would guess that you could go
> > over the limit and lock the front wheel with those so called weak calipers.
>
> Actually... it's more of a difference between a 300lbs Aprilia two-stroke
> race bike which comes equiped with dual discs and the same Brembo calipers
> found on a Ducati 900ss, equiped with Performance Friction sintered pads vs.
> a 400lbs GS500 with stock pads, stock lines, etc ... grab a handful on the
> aprilia and you're staring at your own front number plate. Grab a handfull on
> the GS and you stop... eventually :)
>
> - Roach

Gotcha.  I guess if I got a shot of young and wanted to haul slug on the Harley I
could switch to steel lines, change pads, or even put on full floaters and multi
puck calipers.  That would no doubt make a differance, but hey, I'm old, I'm
slow, so I'll juts drift on down the road.

 I would expect a Duc or Aprilla to have that neat stuff.  After all, guys and
gals who hop on those want to go like hell, and hopefully stop as quick.

Bill


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On Monday 11 March 2002 21:24, Andrew Culpepper wrote:
> At 09:03 PM 3/11/02 , Brian Roach wrote:

> >Inquiring minds want to know: Did you ride the EX all the way down there??
>
> Yes, but I took two days each way.

::shaking head:: 

You, my friend, are hardcore. 

I think the saddest thing I saw while we were down there were trailers... 
from FLORIDA.  I mean... I know most of them are poseurs, but geez... they 
can't even be bothered to ride across their own state?? Maybe I should 
trailer a bike from DE to VA for bike nights...

- Roach

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On Monday 11 March 2002 21:30, William J. Huson wrote:

>  I would expect a Duc or Aprilla to have that neat stuff.  After all, guys
> and gals who hop on those want to go like hell, and hopefully stop as
> quick.

The scary part is that the 900ss will stand on it's nose 
with those brakes... and it weighs about 140lbs more than the Aprilia.

First time I rode the Aprilia I about threw myself over the bars in T1 ... 
they stop it ... in a hurry.

- Roach

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Larry Larson wrote:

> >Excellent.  I just bought this bike from someone in MD, so it has never
> >been in VA before.  I just wanted to get it titled/tagged/registered
> >before I had someone take it out to get it inspected.
>
> Sorry, but you have to have it inspected *before* VA DMV will register it.
> The DMV agent will insist on having the pink inspection slip in his/her hot
> little hand.
>

Since when?  The only time I needed an ispection was to take the riding test.
I've never been asked for safety inspection to register a vehicle of any kind,
truck, car, bike, or trailer.  For cars and light trucks you DO need emmisons to
register it.  Bikes are exempt.

Bill

> When dealing with a MD moto dealer, like Free State Cycle, if you want
> them to get your VA plates,  they will do it, but first you have to take the
> bike with temporary MD plates, get a VA inspection, and bring the VA
> inspection slip back to the dealer so the dealer can get the plates.
>
> -- Larry


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I've NEVER ran into this and I've probably registered
about 15 vehicles in the good old commonwealth.  I've
never been asked for the inspection slip.

Glenn

--- Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, but you have to have it inspected *before* VA
> DMV will register it.
> The DMV agent will insist on having the pink
> inspection slip in his/her hot
> little hand.
> 


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Same here, NEVER had to produce an inspection ticket for a bike or a car
to register.

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I've NEVER ran into this and I've probably registered
about 15 vehicles in the good old commonwealth.  I've
never been asked for the inspection slip.

Glenn

--- Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, but you have to have it inspected *before* VA
> DMV will register it.
> The DMV agent will insist on having the pink
> inspection slip in his/her hot
> little hand.
> 


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At 09:50 PM 3/11/2002, William J. Huson wrote:

> > Sorry, but you have to have it inspected *before* VA DMV will register it.
> > The DMV agent will insist on having the pink inspection slip in his/her hot
> > little hand.
> >
>
>Since when?  The only time I needed an ispection was to take the riding test.
>I've never been asked for safety inspection to register a vehicle of any kind,
>truck, car, bike, or trailer.  For cars and light trucks you DO need 
>emmisons to
>register it.  Bikes are exempt.

When I bought my GS500 from Free State last year, two clerks at the
Eisenhower Avenue DMV both required the pink inspection slip *before*
issuing the title and registration. No emissions required, of course -- just
the safety inspection.

When I took the VA riding test a few months later, also at the Eisenhower
DMV, they did not ask for either registration or inspection slip (good thing,
since I've never remembered to put the inspection slip on the bike or in my
wallet).

Maybe it's left to the individual inspector's whim.

-- Larry








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>From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX]
>Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:59 PM
>To: Larry Larson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Cc: Rob J
>Subject: RE: Motorcycle Registration in VA?
>
>
>I've NEVER ran into this and I've probably registered
>about 15 vehicles in the good old commonwealth.  I've
>never been asked for the inspection slip.

I haven't either on cars, but the new bike from MD seemed to be a
different story. It *was* a royal pain in the patoot.

-- Larry






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Larry Larson wrote:

> When I bought my GS500 from Free State last year, two clerks at the
> Eisenhower Avenue DMV both required the pink inspection slip *before*
> issuing the title and registration. No emissions required, of course -- just
> the safety inspection.
>

Very strange.  Methinks you had a trainer clerk.  When I got the title for the
Norton the clerk in Shirlington was trying her damndest to sell me a tag.
Inspection?  HA!  The project bike had no electrics at all, no fenders, and no
exhaust.  No problem the lady would have sold me a tag or fixed me up with an
antique tag.

> When I took the VA riding test a few months later, also at the Eisenhower
> DMV, they did not ask for either registration or inspection slip (good thing,
> since I've never remembered to put the inspection slip on the bike or in my
> wallet).

If you have a tag and the inspection sticker showing, no need to ask for the paper
proof.  I didn't even own the bike I took my test on, and therefore had no papers
to give them had they asked..

Bill


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"William J. Huson" wrote:

>
> The wrist rocker thangs look usable - might have to try one of those.
>
> Bill
>

Bill,
        I got's one of 'dem thangs. I used on a trip from Baltimore to Americade
in Lake George, NY just shy of the Canadian border, last year. Works great on long
stretches, and flips around out of your way when you hit the stops and go's. Snaps
on and off easy enough, for when you don't need it. Hey, for ten bucks, 'ya can't
beat it.

Steven C. Di Pietro
Assistant National Director
National Marketing Coordinator
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>Snap On has one for $30 (gee whillikers!)

Mac tools... $6.95 ... Item #CT-110 (10mm thread (FZR400 and the 
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No, no. &nbsp;Thats if you only use cage 0 weight mobile1. &nbsp;And only if purchased
at WalMart.<br>
<br>
Tom de. <br>
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DC's speeding cameras begin snapping your picture at 11mph over the
limit, so it looks like you just lucked out and hit the magic number.
Here's a handy list of locations of the photo-radar cameras:

http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/speedlocation_map.shtm

and here's the map/list for red light cameras:

http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/redlightloc.shtm

and remember, if you wheelie past them they can't see your plate.
-Euan

[...]
>One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms send tickets to people
>who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph? And if so, does the
>fine vary?
>
>Fish.




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At 10:43 AM 3/11/02 -0500, JD wrote:
>On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote:
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>> Does anyone know if the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible? I have friends
>> with the GMRSX1 and I'm considering purchasing the FRSX2 (I'm cheap). The
>> X1 just seems to have more range than the X2.
>
>the  GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible on the first 7 channels. The biggest
>differences are the GMRS units are 5 watts, vs. FRS at 0.5 watts. GMRS
>requires a license $75/5 years I believe, and no test. Just fill out the
>form and mail with a check. FRS is good for about 1/2-1 mile GMRS will do
>closer to 3-5 miles.
>
>I've done a bunch of traveling recently with FRS in the car and had
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>but could not talk to them. I'd save up the money and get the GMRS unit.
>
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I really like the Throttlerocker and Vista-Cruise combination on my VFR, as
I've found it has greatly added to my comfort on long trips.  Ten hours in
the saddle are no problem.  Before I got them you could have hit my right
hand with a hammer and I wouldn't have felt a thing after an all-day trip.
Kinda scary reaching for the brake lever and realizing your hand has no
strength in it.  Now with the Vista-Cruise I can lock down the throttle for
five minutes at a time on flat highways and take the load off.  Other times
a little downward pressure with the heel of the palm keeps the throttle
rolled on.

www.wilsonline.org/vfr/throttle.jpg

One caveat is that the Vista-Cruise is not "plug and play."  It required
some modifications to fit and I need to shave down the lever a bit so it
doesn't hit the tank.  YMMV.

Paul in DC
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>
>
> "William J. Huson" wrote:
>
> >
> > The wrist rocker thangs look usable - might have to try one of those.
> >
> > Bill
> >
>
> Bill,
>         I got's one of 'dem thangs. I used on a trip from Baltimore to
Americade
> in Lake George, NY just shy of the Canadian border, last year. Works great
on long
> stretches, and flips around out of your way when you hit the stops and
go's. Snaps
> on and off easy enough, for when you don't need it. Hey, for ten bucks,
'ya can't
> beat it.
>
> Steven C. Di Pietro
> Assistant National Director
> National Marketing Coordinator
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>
>
>




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Euan!  Low time no see.  Hows it going?

Ok, I checked out this list.  Do ALL of these
locations have cameras?  I thought the cameras were in
cars, while the Red-light cameras were permanent?  Can
you see the car parked as you go by or have they
mounted the speed cameras on poles too.

I am most interested in:

200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel 
100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel 

Love to speed in tunnels.....

Mark

--- "Fisk, Euan" <efisk@XXXXXX> wrote:
> DC's speeding cameras begin snapping your picture at
> 11mph over the
> limit, so it looks like you just lucked out and hit
> the magic number.
> Here's a handy list of locations of the photo-radar
> cameras:
> 
>
http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/speedlocation_map.shtm
> 
> and here's the map/list for red light cameras:
> 
> http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/redlightloc.shtm
> 
> and remember, if you wheelie past them they can't
> see your plate.
> -Euan
> 
> [...]
> >One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms
> send tickets to people
> >who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph?
> And if so, does the
> >fine vary?
> >
> >Fish.
> 
> 
> 


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No, those are targeted enforcement areas that *might* have cameras on any
given day.  The vehicles used are unmarked Crown Vics, I believe.  Radar
cams are mounted in the vehicles.

Also I notice the DC government has a new agreement with the red light cam
folks.  The cam owner will now receive a flat fee, not a percentage of
ticket revenues.

MPD has also been having an off and on radar enforcement in the tunnels with
real live officers too. Pity, it's the smoothest pavement in all of DC.

Paul in DC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Kitchell" <markkitchell@XXXXXX>

> Ok, I checked out this list.  Do ALL of these
> locations have cameras?  I thought the cameras were in
> cars, while the Red-light cameras were permanent?  Can
> you see the car parked as you go by or have they
> mounted the speed cameras on poles too.
>
> I am most interested in:
>
> 200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel
> 100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel
>
> Love to speed in tunnels.....
>
> Mark



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You can still speed in tunnels, just accept the $75 toll
...and it's just like ez pass: no toll booth. woo-hoo!

--jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:36 AM
> To: Fisk, Euan; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'
> Cc: 'fish@XXXXXX'
> Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket
> 
> 
> Euan!  Low time no see.  Hows it going?
> 
> Ok, I checked out this list.  Do ALL of these
> locations have cameras?  I thought the cameras were in
> cars, while the Red-light cameras were permanent?  Can
> you see the car parked as you go by or have they
> mounted the speed cameras on poles too.
> 
> I am most interested in:
> 
> 200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel 
> 100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel 
> 
> Love to speed in tunnels.....
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- "Fisk, Euan" <efisk@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > DC's speeding cameras begin snapping your picture at
> > 11mph over the
> > limit, so it looks like you just lucked out and hit
> > the magic number.
> > Here's a handy list of locations of the photo-radar
> > cameras:
> > 
> >
> http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/speedlocation_map.shtm
> > 
> > and here's the map/list for red light cameras:
> > 
> > http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/redlightloc.shtm
> > 
> > and remember, if you wheelie past them they can't
> > see your plate.
> > -Euan
> > 
> > [...]
> > >One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms
> > send tickets to people
> > >who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph?
> > And if so, does the
> > >fine vary?
> > >
> > >Fish.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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> 
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Twice recently I've seen an officer standing shooting radar right outside
the E street tunnel heading towards 66 or the Whitehurst Freeway when
leaving work in the evening.  This confuses me, can I outrun him to VA and
not have to deal with him?  It's not that far.  Does he only care about
people going towards Whitehurst and staying in DC?  I've also seen an
officer sitting in a car facing VA where Constitution Ave and E St join
before.
The HOV cops standing on an exit ramp in VA on 66 tried to stop my
girlfriend over once for driving by herself and she just waved at them and
kept going.

 -----Original Message-----
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No, those are targeted enforcement areas that *might* have cameras on any
given day.  The vehicles used are unmarked Crown Vics, I believe.  Radar
cams are mounted in the vehicles.

Also I notice the DC government has a new agreement with the red light cam
folks.  The cam owner will now receive a flat fee, not a percentage of
ticket revenues.

MPD has also been having an off and on radar enforcement in the tunnels with
real live officers too. Pity, it's the smoothest pavement in all of DC.

Paul in DC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Kitchell" <markkitchell@XXXXXX>

> Ok, I checked out this list.  Do ALL of these
> locations have cameras?  I thought the cameras were in
> cars, while the Red-light cameras were permanent?  Can
> you see the car parked as you go by or have they
> mounted the speed cameras on poles too.
>
> I am most interested in:
>
> 200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel
> 100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel
>
> Love to speed in tunnels.....
>
> Mark


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Hey Mark - things are going fine - been a long winter, 

Off duty officers in unmarked cruisers will rotate between 
these locations [from my experience most of these are dark 
gray ford crown vics - easily identifiable] but here's the
kicker; they stop at 10pm, and do not operate on Sundays,
so after that you were basically all set.  There were
plans last fall to begin using the permanent-type toaster
oven sized cameras mounted in fixed locations, and this may
well be what snagged Fish here, as I don't think it would be
too easy to position a cruiser on 295, or in the tunnels.
These would unfortunately not cease operation at 10pm :(
anyway, here's a quote from a MPD Traffic Division release:

"To maximize the program's flexibility and impact, the
 Metropolitan Police Department is using both fixed-location
 cameras and mobile photo radar units."

In other countries [UK for example] they will set up the 
housing boxes for cameras at all listed locations, and then
rotate the actual photo-radar units between these boxes,
supposedly increasing the 'visual deterrence' factor.

_____________________
Euan 
efisk@XXXXXX
'90 EX500 [trashed - temporarily]
'76 KZ400 [yep Glenn, still running strong]

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:36 AM
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Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket


Euan!  Low time no see.  Hows it going?

Ok, I checked out this list.  Do ALL of these
locations have cameras?  I thought the cameras were in
cars, while the Red-light cameras were permanent?  Can
you see the car parked as you go by or have they
mounted the speed cameras on poles too.

I am most interested in:

200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel 
100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel 

Love to speed in tunnels.....

Mark

--- "Fisk, Euan" <efisk@XXXXXX> wrote:
> DC's speeding cameras begin snapping your picture at
> 11mph over the
> limit, so it looks like you just lucked out and hit
> the magic number.
> Here's a handy list of locations of the photo-radar
> cameras:
> 
>
http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/speedlocation_map.shtm
> 
> and here's the map/list for red light cameras:
> 
> http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/redlightloc.shtm
> 
> and remember, if you wheelie past them they can't
> see your plate.
> -Euan
> 
> [...]
> >One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms
> send tickets to people
> >who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph?
> And if so, does the
> >fine vary?
> >
> >Fish.
> 
> 
> 


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On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Fisk, Euan wrote:

> There were plans last fall to begin using the permanent-type toaster
> oven sized cameras mounted in fixed locations, and this may well be
> what snagged Fish here, as I don't think it would be too easy to
> position a cruiser on 295, or in the tunnels.

Actually, I suspect it was a cruiser. There's a very broad shoulder on
southbound DC-295 between Pennsylvania Ave. and where it becomes I-295,
and I know I've seen cruisers parked there before.

I just figured they were doing standard pull-'em-over duty, though. Guess
I was wrong. Sigh.

Fish.


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	Bill observed,
	"Dang.  I thought all compression gauge sets came with both standard
plug
> sizes.  Mine does and I think it's Craftsman.  Has a quick connect like
> air
> compressor hoses for the two in the hole parts.
> 
	[Custer, Carl]  
	Yup, the Sears device can fit 3 sizes: 18, 16, and 14 mm.
	Alas, my bikes take 12 mm plugs.

	Carl in Bethesda (contemplating whittling a 12 mm adapter or
replacing the Sears gauge with a JC Whit.) 


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Hey Wayne.

The best price I've seen on them is through Kiernan:

http://catalog.kiernanracing.com/browseGroup.cfm?item_group_id=46028

I've checked MAW and AZM and Kevin has the best price so far.  He even has a 
four pack deal that drops the price even further, and actually, a couple of 
us have been talking about getting them, too.  Maybe a group buy could be in 
order.  (did I just say that?)  uh oh... ;)

Now I just need to unload my Chatterbox 90 set up....offers anyone??

Rob
'98 VFR800


From: Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Chatterbox questions
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:13:45 -0500

At 10:43 AM 3/11/02 -0500, JD wrote:
 >On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote:
 >
 >> Does anyone know if the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible? I have friends
 >> with the GMRSX1 and I'm considering purchasing the FRSX2 (I'm cheap). 
The
 >> X1 just seems to have more range than the X2.
 >
 >the  GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible on the first 7 channels. The biggest
 >differences are the GMRS units are 5 watts, vs. FRS at 0.5 watts. GMRS
 >requires a license $75/5 years I believe, and no test. Just fill out the
 >form and mail with a check. FRS is good for about 1/2-1 mile GMRS will do
 >closer to 3-5 miles.
 >
 >I've done a bunch of traveling recently with FRS in the car and had
 >numerous occasions where I could see another car ahead of me on the road
 >but could not talk to them. I'd save up the money and get the GMRS unit.
 >
 >-jd

Thanks for the info, JD.  I'll keep scraping up those pennies and get the
GMRS.

Now... who has the cheapest prices on the Chatterbox?  :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/


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--- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> --- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > good luck trying to prove that a client of mine had
> > the
> > intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" a driver
> > and
> > his 3000+ pound vehicle while on his open-air
> > 400-700lb
> > defenseless motorcycle
> > 
> 
> You know as well as I do, that you don't have to PROVE
> anything, just make the jurors believe. There is a
> difference. Besides, roll up next to a petit, shy
> woman in a Geo Metro, shake your fist at her and tap
> on her window a couple of times. Do you think she
> could make a few jurors believe she was intimidated?
> Hell, for that matter, I bet you could convince a few
> jurors that revving the engine intimidated a driver.

come on.  i thought you were a police officer.

if the charge requires a specific intent (which this new
charge DOES), it requires the alleged perpetrator TO HAVE
INTENDED the effect required under the statute.

it makes no difference what effect was had on the "victim"
if i can show that my client lacked this specific intent.


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--- "S. Moyer" <smoyer72@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Long time lurker here.  Still enjoying the front vs. rear
> braking thread that Dysart
> stared over a week ago now...  wondering when it will
> ever end.

moyer finally comes out of hiding, eh?  now if we could
only flush out batson....

this thread (or a continued version of it) will never
end.... unlees, of course, manufacturers start making
linked brakes standard or rear brakes optional.


 
> Guess the Mofos are best at avoiding the whole argument
> in the first place - they just
> don't use the brakes at all.

incorrect.  the group makes a habit of stopping once every
~100 miles.



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Custer, Carl wrote:

>         Bill observed,
>         "Dang.  I thought all compression gauge sets came with both standard
> plug
> > sizes.  Mine does and I think it's Craftsman.  Has a quick connect like
> > air
> > compressor hoses for the two in the hole parts.
> >
>         [Custer, Carl]
>         Yup, the Sears device can fit 3 sizes: 18, 16, and 14 mm.
>         Alas, my bikes take 12 mm plugs.
>
>         Carl in Bethesda (contemplating whittling a 12 mm adapter or
> replacing the Sears gauge with a JC Whit.)

My error.  Silly me, familiar with only two sizes - bigguns and littleuns.
Might have something to do with my antiquated vee-hi-cal fleet.

Bill


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There's a pretty intelligent "street riding" book out called "Proficient
Motorcycling" by David Hough.  A good read for those off season nights when
TV just doesn't cut it.  Granted it is for street riding and he discusses
front and rear braking and/or stopping techniques.  
Over a period of more than 25 years, David Hough has written the column
"Proficient Motorcycling," first for Road Rider magazine and then for its
successor, Motorcycle Consumer News. During that time, he has covered
hundreds of topics relating to the skills needed for riding motorcycles
safely on the streets.


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> >         [Custer, Carl]
> >         Yup, the Sears device can fit 3 sizes: 18, 16, and 14 mm.
> >         Alas, my bikes take 12 mm plugs.
	Hudson confessed, "My error.  Silly me, familiar with only two sizes
- bigguns and littleuns.
> Might have something to do with my antiquated vee-hi-cal fleet."
> 
	Personally, I think it's because you drive around on unbalanced
tires. :^>

	Carl in Bethesda (balanced tires, uses rear brake frequently, . . .)


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Custer, Carl wrote:

> > >         [Custer, Carl]
> > >         Yup, the Sears device can fit 3 sizes: 18, 16, and 14 mm.
> > >         Alas, my bikes take 12 mm plugs.
>         Hudson confessed, "My error.  Silly me, familiar with only two sizes
> - bigguns and littleuns.
> > Might have something to do with my antiquated vee-hi-cal fleet."
> >
>         Personally, I think it's because you drive around on unbalanced
> tires. :^>
>
>         Carl in Bethesda (balanced tires, uses rear brake frequently, . . .)

Nah, probably `cause I use dyno oil & regular gas.

You're supposed to balance tires?


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All,

up for sale is my throttlemeister. It was fitted on a 1999 VFR 800.  The 
unit is in fine working condition. There is one scratch (~.5") on the right 
bar end where i dropped it.  If you position it right you'll never see 
it.  It does not affect functionality.  It's a great looking system and 
works well, but i've only used it twice. ;) First $75 takes it away, US 
shipping included.

Ride Safe,
Justin

1999 VFR 800
Northern VA/Washington DC


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All together now:


Yummmmmmmm



Sean Jordan
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1811678959&r=
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I might just have to make the sacrifice and walk in there..... 
::shudder::


Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing


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They have one at MotoEuropa in Richmond.  Along with
people who know what they are talking about, and a
bunch of other cool Ducati bikes.

Isn't a trip to Richmond better than going to
Poserride?

Keith
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> 0&t=0
> 
> I might just have to make the sacrifice and walk in
> there..... 
> ::shudder::
> 
> 
> Sean Jordan
> Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
> 


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To: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>, matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>,
   dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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--- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:
> --- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > 
> > --- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > > good luck trying to prove that a client of mine
> had
> > > the
> > > intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" a
> driver
> > > and
> > > his 3000+ pound vehicle while on his open-air
> > > 400-700lb
> > > defenseless motorcycle
> > > 
> > 
> > You know as well as I do, that you don't have to
> PROVE
> > anything, just make the jurors believe. There is a
> > difference. Besides, roll up next to a petit, shy
> > woman in a Geo Metro, shake your fist at her and
> tap
> > on her window a couple of times. Do you think she
> > could make a few jurors believe she was
> intimidated?
> > Hell, for that matter, I bet you could convince a
> few
> > jurors that revving the engine intimidated a
> driver.
> 
> come on.  i thought you were a police officer.
> 
> if the charge requires a specific intent (which this
> new
> charge DOES), it requires the alleged perpetrator TO
> HAVE
> INTENDED the effect required under the statute.
> 
> it makes no difference what effect was had on the
> "victim"
> if i can show that my client lacked this specific
> intent.
> 
> 
> --
> tg
> 

I took your statement to mean that a rider CANNOT
harass a cage.

Many criminal charges require intent to be "proven".
Is it ever really proven? Or are the requisite number
of jurors simply pursuaded to believe?

Todd W.

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From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
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"William J. Huson" wrote:
> 
> You're supposed to balance tires?

I have no problems balancing when I'm moving.  Maybe
Carl is talking about keeping your feet up at a stop sign
or something?  :)

Hork, unbalanced
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> it makes no difference what effect was had on the
> "victim"
> if i can show that my client lacked this specific
> intent.
> 
> 

Oh yeah, it DOES matter what the effect was. 

I punch you in the jaw once and you laugh at me =
simple assault (class 1 misdemeanor)

I punch you in the jaw once and your jaw shatters =
malicious wounding (class 3 felony)

I punch you in the jaw and you fall back breaking your
neck and die = murder (class 2 felony)

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--- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> > it makes no difference what effect was had on the
> > "victim"
> > if i can show that my client lacked this specific
> > intent.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Oh yeah, it DOES matter what the effect was. 
> 
> I punch you in the jaw once and you laugh at me =
> simple assault (class 1 misdemeanor)
> 
> I punch you in the jaw once and your jaw shatters =
> malicious wounding (class 3 felony)
> 
> I punch you in the jaw and you fall back breaking your
> neck and die = murder (class 2 felony)

no offense, todd (tip of the day: don't offend teh police),
but what does this have to do with specific intent in
general and teh new virginia law in particular?



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	Hork replying to Bill's 
> > You're supposed to balance tires?
	Observed, "I have no problems balancing when I'm moving.  Maybe
> Carl is talking about keeping your feet up at a stop sign
> or something?  :)
	[Custer, Carl]  
	Yup, if you drive on unbalanced wheels, don't use premium gasoline,
and use yer front brake, it'll make you go over the handle bars.  
	That's not a problem unless yer werin a hel-mut. 
	If yer werin a hel-mut, it'll brek yer nek 
	no hemmut is O.K. cuz you'll roll to safety. 
	a beanie is O.K too -- unless it has a DOT stikker -- then yewll
scratch yer elbows -- unless yer werin' a kewl bandanana.

	Dyno oil is kewl too.  But you can make yer own sinthetic oil by
frying a turkey and filtering the oil thru a roll of tolit paper. 
	I just red this in the innernet so it must be true. 

	Wow, now I feel lak riting a regultshun.
	Picking the Ceptor to ride on a rainy day is beginning to seem
reasonable.


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"Custer, Carl" wrote:
> 
>         Yup, if you drive on unbalanced wheels, don't use premium gasoline,
> and use yer front brake, it'll make you go over the handle bars.

Whew, I'm glad the Connie has clipons, then.  I'm safe.  :)

Hork

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Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES -- MSF bashing
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:35:09 -0500, you wrote:

|>Well for starters you questioned the riding skills of hundreds of people
|>you've never met and implied we're all idiots, don't know anything about
|>sport riding, etc., for following the curriculum that's been vetted through

implied.. implied.. implied.. First, nothing is wrong with questioning
riding skills. Nothing is wrong with questioning period. hell it made
socrates famous.  We should also, especially, question your
interpretations of my posts.

Second as far as implied.. I welcome you to show me, quote me, where I
implied anyone is an idiot.  I feel no need to say in a round about
way someone is an idiot.  If I felt someone was an idiot, I'd say it.
What are they going to do, punch me through the computer? Punch me in
person?  form a lynch mob and hang me?  I dont' think so.   Name
calling isn't too much in my character, nor is implying things.
Implications are so subjective. I try to mean what I say, and say what
I mean, and not say mean things <G>

|>many years of experience.  Is what MSF teaches perfect and above reproach,
|>of course not, but it's a damn sight better than anything else for rank
|>newbies or some of the "conventional wisdom" you hear.

I don't think anyone has said anything contrary to that. That is still
not to say MSF is God or unquestionable. Hell further questioning
helps one learn. 

Any time someone tells  you end result data, but not the underlying
work to get to that data, question it.  If you don't want to, then
listen to  me because i'm telling you my case studies tell you I'm
correct 92% of the time .  <G>


Danny

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|>Guess the Mofos are best at avoiding the whole argument in the first place - they just
|>don't use the brakes at all.

Who needs brakes? they slow you down!

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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:12:36 -0500, you wrote:

|>Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering.   What are the
|>merits of using the rear brake when braking?  Has this ever been
|>discussed before?
|>
|>Thanks!
ROTFL

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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
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Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket
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|>responsible for it. It wasn't stolen, which means either that I was
|>piloting the damn thing at the time, or that I'd entrusted it to someone
|>else. Either way, it's my problem. If it were someone else driving, I
|>might be interested in pursuing them for money to pay the fine, but that's
|>my affair.

The only problem with that is it's second hand justice.  If you loan
someone something with 100% legal intentions/knowledge, you shouldn't
be penalized as the guilty driver. If they robbed a bank, would you
think you should be punished, and then have that person owe you?

Plus you shoudn't have to go through all the hassle of persuing
someone for money.  If you were nice enough to loan someone your car,
you shoudln't have to be forced into loaning them ticket money.  

If they want to develop super technology, let them do a better job and
photograph the driver too.

Either the driver is soley responsible or he isn't..unless he told you
what he was planning on breaking laws.

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Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:43:02 -0500, you wrote:

|>Fish Flowers wrote:
|>> 
|>> Fish.
|>> founder, society for vigilante destruction of red light cameras
|>> 
|>> ... and yes, that's a joke
|>
|>No, it's not.  Where do I join?  :)

Hmmm is this a heineken commercial? :)

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Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket
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"hmm if we tweaked the camera to get 1... 2 mph's lower we could make
X more millions of dollars in revenue"...

mmm nah.. they would never do that ! :)

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:53:33 -0500, you wrote:

|>DC's speeding cameras begin snapping your picture at 11mph over the
|>limit, so it looks like you just lucked out and hit the magic number.
|>Here's a handy list of locations of the photo-radar cameras:
|>
|>http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/speedlocation_map.shtm
|>
|>and here's the map/list for red light cameras:
|>
|>http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/redlightloc.shtm
|>
|>and remember, if you wheelie past them they can't see your plate.
|>-Euan
|>
|>[...]
|>>One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms send tickets to people
|>>who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph? And if so, does the
|>>fine vary?
|>>
|>>Fish.
|>
|>
|>


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Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket
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|>Off duty officers in unmarked cruisers will rotate between 

Off duty?  So they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts
for a slower roadway?   or "over time paid" officers?  Or
subcontracted?

I have an officer friend who has done that type of work. I'll ask him
that, and to remind me of the figures he quoted. He told me the other
day " I can snap X pictures in X hours".  (it was a lot. He might have
told me the amount of money it sums up to too.. but alas i forgot.
i'll ask again.)

He also claimed something like he has gotten or will recieve oral sex
at the same time.  THat would be funny as hell to catch a radar camera
cop on camera breaking the law. That would be a HELLarious stroke of
irony.

I wonder how much money such a tape would be worth to the press...
hmmm...   Remidns me of the news stories on inside edition where
they video tape judges speeding then confront them. Teehhee.

Danny

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Subject: More Gotcha places
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Adding to recently observed radars --

    o  Rock Creek Parkway southbound leaving the Kennedy Center overhang --
shadowed radar pointing north from under the Roosevelt Bridge overpass, with
plenty transgressor pullover space by the scenic Potomac in view of the
Lincoln Memorial.  My stealth cloak must have been working.

    o  Again, RCP.  Northbound, Beach Drive, north of Park Police station
just past Military Road overpass.  (Again, stealth?.  The story:  Daylight,
I'm following small car.  We take off from Joyce Road intersection at
leisurely pace, me 4-5 lengths behind.  Police in plain view.  Pass him at
about 40 (posted 25) as he points gun at our back.  I slow just slightly.
2-3 seconds later, he follows, passes (whew), lights up, pulls over small
car.  I should have stopped at the nice policeman and thanked him for
ignoring me . . ..)

    I know, I know.  Pretty tame.  But if these tips save someone a few
hundred dollars insurance --

Bill S. / DC
'99 VN750 --> Anchor on order to replace front-back brake headaches.
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.


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Here's a REAL Ducati to lust after

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1810404104&r=0
&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1016153667&indexURL=0&rd=1


----- Original Message -----
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>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1810545521&r=
> 0&t=0
>
> All together now:
>
>
> Yummmmmmmm
>
>
>
> Sean Jordan
> Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
>


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Hey- for $100, I'll autograph anyone's Honda... (I'll make the comma
real small...)

Curtis, Robert(s)



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 14:33
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1810545521
&r=
0&t=0

All together now:


Yummmmmmmm



Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing



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www.speedtrap.com is a useful website with similar info.


 -----Original Message-----
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Subject:	More Gotcha places

    o  Rock Creek Parkway southbound leaving the Kennedy Center overhang --
shadowed radar pointing north from under the Roosevelt Bridge overpass, with
plenty transgressor pullover space by the scenic Potomac in view of the
Lincoln Memorial.  My stealth cloak must have been working.

    o  Again, RCP.  Northbound, Beach Drive, north of Park Police station
just past Military Road overpass.  (Again, stealth?.  The story:  Daylight,
I'm following small car.  We take off from Joyce Road intersection at
leisurely pace, me 4-5 lengths behind.  Police in plain view.  Pass him at
about 40 (posted 25) as he points gun at our back.  I slow just slightly.
2-3 seconds later, he follows, passes (whew), lights up, pulls over small
car.  I should have stopped at the nice policeman and thanked him for
ignoring me . . ..)



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Does anyone know any racers or hardcore sportbikers near Santa Barbara
or Ventura, CA? I am heading out there in a few weeks for and need to
find subjects for a video production... 
Thanks-
Robby C


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On Wed, 13 March 2002, "Rob Curtis" wrote:

> 
> Does anyone know any racers or hardcore sportbikers near Santa Barbara
> or Ventura, CA? I am heading out there in a few weeks for and need to
> find subjects for a video production... 
> Thanks-
> Robby C

For a small fee, I'll go out there with you and assist!!! :-)

Laura


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Sorry Laura, I can't afford to offer you any money, but if any of the
listers want to help out I will set up a fund. If you would like to
donate to the "Take Laura out <to California> and shoot <a video of>
her" please notify me off-list to make arrangements.
Best-
Robby C

-----Original Message-----
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On Wed, 13 March 2002, "Rob Curtis" wrote:

> 
> Does anyone know any racers or hardcore sportbikers near Santa Barbara
> or Ventura, CA? I am heading out there in a few weeks for and need to
> find subjects for a video production... 
> Thanks-
> Robby C

For a small fee, I'll go out there with you and assist!!! :-)

Laura


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On Wed, 13 March 2002, "Rob Curtis" wrote:

> 
> Sorry Laura, I can't afford to offer you any money,

what? no money?  LMAO.  I was joking about the "small fee" part...

> but if any of the
> listers want to help out I will set up a fund. If you would like to
> donate to the "Take Laura out <to California> and shoot <a video of>
> her" please notify me off-list to make arrangements.
> Best-
> Robby C

OK, listers...who's sending me to California to make DC Cycles famous?  Come on...do it for the list?

Laura


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Put me down for two units, if there is enough interest in a group buy.

I would also appreciate some tips on what's the best setup to outfit two riders,
two bikes, sometimes one bike/two-up.

Thanks,

Robert


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Glad the weather is warming up, but the morning commute sure reminded me that I
need to renew the Nikwax on my gloves!

Stay dry out there...

Robert Verde

'83 Honda VF750F (RC-15) "BUDOKA"


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Me too!.  My new MotoBoss jacket (the in-house version of Frank Thomas wear
from CycleGear stores) didn't leak a drop but my Motoport Voyager pants
leaked big time and my a** is STILL wet. :)  The Olympia gloves repelled
water about as well as a kitchen sponge.  
Cedric
Ride with dark slacks

Glad the weather is warming up, but the morning commute sure reminded me
that I
need to renew the Nikwax on my gloves!

Stay dry out there...

Robert Verde

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Oooooh... a gun thread! %^)

Original Message:

Sorry Laura, I can't afford to offer you any money, but if any of the
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tom raises a good issue....

having not had the time to read the brake thread(s) in
their entirety over the past couple weeks, it would be nice
if someone put together a list of "highlights" or perhaps a
rough summary of the debate, including the cast of
characters and their respective positions.  i'd rather not
hit "delete" if there is any worthwhile reading.

btw, was anyone told that they had their head up their ass
or otherwise strongly insulted?  thanks for any feedback.



--- Tom Fitzpatrick <celticracing@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering.  
> What are the
> merits of using the rear brake when braking?  Has this
> ever been
> discussed before?
> 
> Thanks!


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If I am not mistaken the pink slip that you get is
actually for an emissions test isn't it?  I honestly
don't remember ever getting anything but the sticker
from a garage for the safety inspection...

--
Jeremy Purdy
'00 Yamaha V-Star Classic

--
When I bought my GS500 from Free State last year, two
clerks at the
Eisenhower Avenue DMV both required the pink
inspection slip *before*
issuing the title and registration. No emissions
required, of course -- 
just
the safety inspection.

When I took the VA riding test a few months later,
also at the 
Eisenhower
DMV, they did not ask for either registration or
inspection slip (good 
thing,
since I've never remembered to put the inspection slip
on the bike or 
in my
wallet).

Maybe it's left to the individual inspector's whim.

-- Larry





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Tom,

I'm sure insults were hurled -- intended or otherwise.  And if it makes you feel any better:  YOU have your head up your ass! %^)  You just couldn't unsubscribe, could you??? %^)

Chuck

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> Tom,
> 
> I'm sure insults were hurled -- intended or otherwise. 

now THIS is helpful.  thanks for pointing me in the right
direction, again.

perhaps someone else will provide some meaningful feedback?




> And if it makes you feel any better:  YOU have your head
> up your ass! %^)  You just couldn't unsubscribe, could
> you??? %^)

thanks.  yes, much better now.


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<html><div style='background-color:'><P>I'm no fan of&nbsp;H-D but the new commercial is a classic. I saw it during the coverage of the Valencia WSB round.</P>
<P>This old guy is out on his porch with his grandchildren gathered around. He's telling them how he used to ride a harley, and really getting into it--you know--talking about the wind in his hair and the roar of the motor, etc. He's fondling a little scale model of some kind of Harley, maybe it's one of the kids' toys or something. The kids are looking at him in awe. </P>
<P>One of them asks in amazement, "Grampa, you used to have a Harley!?" 
<P>His reverie is abruptly shattered. "No, I never did," he admits, dejectedly, "I spent the money on aluminum siding," he spits out, bitterly, as he gestures toward the house. 
<P>The kids look at him with a mixture of pity and disdain. One of them says quietly to her siblings, "Come on, let's go see what grandma is doing." 
<P>Awesome. Almost made me wanna buy a Harley. Then I realized that the sentiment applies to all bikes (and a lot of other things), really. We get old quickly, and nothing is quite as hollow-feeling as regret. Pure advertising genius, IMO.</P><BR>
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On Wed, 13 March 2002, "Randy Moran" wrote:

>really. We get old quickly, and nothing is quite as >hollow-feeling as regret. 

That was deep, man!  :)  Very true, though. 

I must say, though, your description of the commercial was much better than the actual commercial.

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Any opinions on the general cluefulness of Freestate Cycle in Capitol
Heights? I'm thinking of going by there and looking at Arai and Gericke
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Randy Moran wrote:

> Awesome. Almost made me wanna buy a Harley. 

It made me laugh.  The commercial suggests that people who have
never been on a bike, or don't know anything about bikes, want 
a Harley.  Those of us who know better have moved on to better 
stuff.  :)

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Pink slip is for safety... A printout is given from an emissions inspection.


>If I am not mistaken the pink slip that you get is
>actually for an emissions test isn't it?  I honestly
>don't remember ever getting anything but the sticker
>from a garage for the safety inspection...

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On Wed, 13 March 2002, Dale Horstman wrote:


> The commercial suggests that people who have
> never been on a bike, or don't know anything about bikes, want 
> a Harley.  Those of us who know better have moved on to better 
> stuff.  :)

I don't agree with that (surprise! :-)  I think Randy was right in saying it's the perfect marketing scheme.  Everyone can relate to wanting to buy or own a bike and "look cool" which the kids were hoping he was, but turned out he wasn't...that's a great message to the general consumer...

It isn't exactly intended for those of us who already ride.  

:-)

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> It made me laugh.  The commercial suggests that people who have
> never been on a bike, or don't know anything about bikes, want
> a Harley.  Those of us who know better have moved on to better
> stuff.  :)

I think the commercial may be spot on...  Many times when people ask me what
kind of bike I have, the response is something like: "What, you can't afford
a Harley?"  Now I own sport(y) bikes so this is really quite an inane
comment.  I have a feeling they would have said the same thing if I told
them I rode a BMW or a Ducati.  If they actually knew anything, they might
have said "What, you can't afford an MV Agusta?" and this would make some
sense, since I can't...  But it does go to show that people over here
associate motorcycles with Harley, and everything else is a compromise.


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From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
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LAURA GRANATO wrote:
> 
> It isn't exactly intended for those of us who already ride.

And that, in a nutshell, seems to be Harley's total design 
philosophy.  It's not intended for those who actually ride.  Lol!  :)

Hork
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I really like the bit that the 'ole ball and chain made him buy aluminum
siding instead of a bike.  The ad leaves you with the feeling the poor guy's
'nads have been stored in a jar for about thirty years.

Which reminds me of a funny web site --

http://www.unclemelon.com/carlist.html  Uncle Melon's list of top ten cars
for emasculated men.

Paul in DC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Horstman" <horkster@XXXXXX>



> LAURA GRANATO wrote:
> >
> > It isn't exactly intended for those of us who already ride.
>
> And that, in a nutshell, seems to be Harley's total design
> philosophy.  It's not intended for those who actually ride.  Lol!  :)
>
> Hork
> --



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At 01:14 PM 3/13/2002, Jeremy wrote:
>If I am not mistaken the pink slip that you get is
>actually for an emissions test isn't it?  I honestly
>don't remember ever getting anything but the sticker
>from a garage for the safety inspection...

No, I have the one from my Aprilia right in front of me. It is serial 
numbered, is entitled "Inspection Certification - Virginia State Police", 
has the checklist used for the safety inspection on the front, and on the 
rear says "This receipt should be kept in vehicle at all times while 
vehicle is being operated."

-- Larry






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At 03:45 PM 3/13/2002, Randy Moran wrote:

>I'm no fan of H-D but the new commercial is a classic. I saw it during the 
>coverage of the Valencia WSB round.

Yep, it's good. But not only did you see it during both WSB races, you saw 
it about eight times, two of which, during the second race, were separated 
by about five seconds.

Thank god for ReplayTV -- set it to record, wait until the show is half 
over, start watching while it's still recording, skip through all the 
commercials with the handy-dandy 30-second "jump" button, and the show 
still ends on time. Highly recommended.

-- Larry






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on 3.13.2002 5:49 PM, Larry Larson at pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote:

> At 03:45 PM 3/13/2002, Randy Moran wrote:
> 
>> I'm no fan of H-D but the new commercial is a classic. I saw it during the
>> coverage of the Valencia WSB round.
> 
> Yep, it's good. But not only did you see it during both WSB races, you saw
> it about eight times, two of which, during the second race, were separated
> by about five seconds.
> 
<snip>


Yeah, Larry, I'm with you on the repetition deal. It's always been that way
with MC commercials though; they only buy time during shows that only
motorcyclists watch and they play the same commercial a million times.
There's a certain amount of logic to that approach, obviously. If I were
H-D, though, I'd be advertising during mainstream programming, especially
with a commercial like the one in question. For me, it quite effectively
seemed to address a universal fear (that of not having done something you
always wanted to, and it being too late). It's exactly the kind of thing
that I think could sell a lot of bikes for HD. I actually wish an
organization like the AMA had developed the ad. Replace "Harley" with
"motorcycle" and you've got yourself a nice shot at getting some people off
the porch and on bikes, maybe.

RPM


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At 06:14 PM 3/13/2002, Randy or Julie Moran wrote:

>.... If I were
>H-D, though, I'd be advertising during mainstream programming, especially
>with a commercial like the one in question.

TI think they have been -- my SO had already seen the ad on other channels 
before last night.

-- Larry







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It depends on who you get at the counter. They have some young staff
there and not all of them are as helpful as you'd like. You could get
lucky, tho. In general, I've been satisfied with the level of service
there.

For helmets (my last 2) I've gone to The Motorcycle Shop (or some name
like that) in College Park on Rt 1 just inside the beltway.

Eric
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> Fish.
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At 07:00 PM 3/13/2002 -0500, 'The Horkster' wrote:
>And that, in a nutshell, seems to be Harley's total design
>philosophy.  It's not intended for those who actually ride.  Lol!  :)

any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged
bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020!  god only knows HOW you
manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride the rally......

:-)~~~~

Bruce
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No, you get a pink slip for safety inspection with all the stuff the
inspector didn't look at checked off.  That's for  a "nice bike"
inspection.



Jeremy Purdy wrote:

> If I am not mistaken the pink slip that you get is
> actually for an emissions test isn't it?  I honestly
> don't remember ever getting anything but the sticker
> from a garage for the safety inspection...
>
> --
> Jeremy Purdy
> '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic
>
> --
> When I bought my GS500 from Free State last year, two
> clerks at the
> Eisenhower Avenue DMV both required the pink
> inspection slip *before*
> issuing the title and registration. No emissions
> required, of course --
> just
> the safety inspection.
>
> When I took the VA riding test a few months later,
> also at the
> Eisenhower
> DMV, they did not ask for either registration or
> inspection slip (good
> thing,
> since I've never remembered to put the inspection slip
> on the bike or
> in my
> wallet).
>
> Maybe it's left to the individual inspector's whim.
>
> -- Larry
>
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Hi there,

	I recently took possession of a 1985 Yamaha XJ700 Maxim, my 
first bike.  I've been working with varying success to get it 
running, though am hampered by the fact that I don't know anything 
about this particular bike's history.  Do the members of this list 
ever get together for carb clinics or anything?  If there's not much 
focus on do-it-yourself mechanics, does anyone have a garage they 
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system cleaner locally?  I've heard a number of people swear by it.

	I'm glad to be aboard!

Thanks,

--Dave Chamowitz
1985 Yamaha XJ700 Maxim

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Bruce Brownlee wrote:
> 
> any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged
> bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020!  god only knows HOW you
> manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride the rally......

I rode!  I made it to every check point.  On time, even. I even 
did a bonus location or two.  And I guarantee Tracy and I did 
more "scoring" during that rally than anyone who finished ahead 
of us <sly wink, nudge, nudge>.

Breakfast with the Rallybubbas after y'all left in the rain
was a hoot, too.

> '95 FLHTC - 2.99 times SaddleSore Award (and then some)....

2.99 times?

Hork (finished last, but had the most fun)

-- 
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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
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Hi there,

	I recently took possession of a 1985 Yamaha XJ700 Maxim, my
first bike.


	<DJY>  Cool, welcome...


 I've been working with varying success to get it
running, though am hampered by the fact that I don't know anything
about this particular bike's history.  Do the members of this list
ever get together for carb clinics or anything?


	<DJY> Periodically...  not with regularity.  What seems to be the
problem ?


  If there's not much
focus on do-it-yourself mechanics, does anyone have a garage they
recommend?


	<DJY> I've had good luck at Fast Lane in Chantilly & Clinton Cycles in
Ft. Wash.  MD...


HTH



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


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Sean J wrote:
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1810545521&r=
0&t=0

All together now:


Yummmmmmmm



Sean Jordan
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I need a cigarette...

And $20,001.00, apparently. :-P And I need to lose about 120 lbs. and shrink
1 foot. Then life'd be purr-fect...

2 miles. Can you believe that? That's criminal.

Howard J. Koontz
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Subject: HD ad, MD2020
To: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>,
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--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Bruce Brownlee wrote:
> > 
> > any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged
> > bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020!  god only knows HOW you
> > manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride the rally......
> 
> I rode!  I made it to every check point.  

As a Rallybubba, I can confirm that Dale rode the rally.  Not competitively,
but  he seemed to be having the most fun!

> On time, even. I even  did a bonus location or two.  And I guarantee 
> Tracy and I did more "scoring" during that rally than anyone who finished
> ahead of us <sly wink, nudge, nudge>.

I think that falls under the "Too Much Information" section. 

> Breakfast with the Rallybubbas after y'all left in the rain
> was a hoot, too.

Heck, I didn't even know the secret to Racer X before that breakfast (although
I was highly suspicious).  That was a fun time!  

Hey Bruce... I see Dale's name signed up for the 2002 MD 20-20... but I don't
see yours.  Join Dale and the other DC-Cycles folks.  Information is at
http://www.masondixon20-20.org/.  We've been working hard at it and I think
this years will be very enjoyable!  (and no, we won't be having 400 bonus
locations!!)

Louis, MD 2020 RallyBubba


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From: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
Subject: Was MD2020, now any local Endurance Ride
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   Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>,
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I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 hour
rides.  This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my taste.

What ever happened to that local 1000 mile ride?  I
signed up two years ago but it went belly-up.

MArk

--- "Louis F. Caplan" <nighthawk700@XXXXXX> wrote:
> --- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Bruce Brownlee wrote:
> > > 
> > > any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been
> nursing a damaged
> > > bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020!  god only
> knows HOW you
> > > manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride
> the rally......
> > 
> > I rode!  I made it to every check point.  
> 
> As a Rallybubba, I can confirm that Dale rode the
> rally.  Not competitively,
> but  he seemed to be having the most fun!
> 
> > On time, even. I even  did a bonus location or
> two.  And I guarantee 
> > Tracy and I did more "scoring" during that rally
> than anyone who finished
> > ahead of us <sly wink, nudge, nudge>.
> 
> I think that falls under the "Too Much Information"
> section. 
> 
> > Breakfast with the Rallybubbas after y'all left in
> the rain
> > was a hoot, too.
> 
> Heck, I didn't even know the secret to Racer X
> before that breakfast (although
> I was highly suspicious).  That was a fun time!  
> 
> Hey Bruce... I see Dale's name signed up for the
> 2002 MD 20-20... but I don't
> see yours.  Join Dale and the other DC-Cycles folks.
>  Information is at
> http://www.masondixon20-20.org/.  We've been working
> hard at it and I think
> this years will be very enjoyable!  (and no, we
> won't be having 400 bonus
> locations!!)
> 
> Louis, MD 2020 RallyBubba
> 
> 
> =====
> "Admiral" Louis Caplan   1998 Kawasaki Concours
> Fairfax, VA
> Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/
> 
> Home Page:
> http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm
> 
> __________________________________________________
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I agree with Eric on both the shop in College
Park and Freestate.

The bike shop in College Park goes by several
names, but the one I remember is The Dirt Shop.
They're on US 1, just south of the Beltway.
Very friendly and very knowledgeable.

Joe
'99 SV650

--- "Eric M. Winslow" <ericwinslow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> It depends on who you get at the counter. They have
> some young staff
> there and not all of them are as helpful as you'd
> like. You could get
> lucky, tho. In general, I've been satisfied with the
> level of service
> there.
> 
> For helmets (my last 2) I've gone to The Motorcycle
> Shop (or some name
> like that) in College Park on Rt 1 just inside the
> beltway.
> 
> Eric
> '94 KLR650
> 
> --- Fish Flowers <fish@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Any opinions on the general cluefulness of
> Freestate Cycle in Capitol
> > Heights? I'm thinking of going by there and
> looking at Arai and
> > Gericke
> > stuff, and was wondering if I could trust them not
> to be as clueless
> > as I
> > am.
> > 
> > Fish.
> > 
> 
> 
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	You can do a Saddle Sore 1000 during the MD20-20.
If I do the rally this year I plan on doing a Saddle Sore on
my DR650.

Hugh

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote:

> I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 hour
> rides.  This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my taste.
> 
> What ever happened to that local 1000 mile ride?  I
> signed up two years ago but it went belly-up.
> 
> MArk
> 
> --- "Louis F. Caplan" <nighthawk700@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > --- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > > Bruce Brownlee wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been
> > nursing a damaged
> > > > bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020!  god only
> > knows HOW you
> > > > manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride
> > the rally......
> > > 
> > > I rode!  I made it to every check point.  
> > 
> > As a Rallybubba, I can confirm that Dale rode the
> > rally.  Not competitively,
> > but  he seemed to be having the most fun!
> > 
> > > On time, even. I even  did a bonus location or
> > two.  And I guarantee 
> > > Tracy and I did more "scoring" during that rally
> > than anyone who finished
> > > ahead of us <sly wink, nudge, nudge>.
> > 
> > I think that falls under the "Too Much Information"
> > section. 
> > 
> > > Breakfast with the Rallybubbas after y'all left in
> > the rain
> > > was a hoot, too.
> > 
> > Heck, I didn't even know the secret to Racer X
> > before that breakfast (although
> > I was highly suspicious).  That was a fun time!  
> > 
> > Hey Bruce... I see Dale's name signed up for the
> > 2002 MD 20-20... but I don't
> > see yours.  Join Dale and the other DC-Cycles folks.
> >  Information is at
> > http://www.masondixon20-20.org/.  We've been working
> > hard at it and I think
> > this years will be very enjoyable!  (and no, we
> > won't be having 400 bonus
> > locations!!)
> > 
> > Louis, MD 2020 RallyBubba
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > "Admiral" Louis Caplan   1998 Kawasaki Concours
> > Fairfax, VA
> > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/
> > 
> > Home Page:
> > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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Hi David, and welcome!

If the bike has been sitting for a while (say 6 months
or more) it will definitely need a carb rebuild.  The
first thing you do is go to a Yamaha dealer and order
the factory service manual, they are usually no more
than about $50.  "Fiddling" with the carbs is the
easiest way to mess things up worse then they were in
the first place, and a really easy way to fall out of
love with that first bike really quickly after you
spend weeks chasing the same problem.  The factory
manual should have plenty of info on hunting down
problems, and it will have detailed instructions with
pictures on tearing the carbs apart, cleaning them,
and most importantly getting them back together.

Steve

--- David Chamowitz <dchamowitz@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> 	I recently took possession of a 1985 Yamaha XJ700
> Maxim, my 
> first bike.  I've been working with varying success
> to get it 
> running, though am hampered by the fact that I don't
> know anything 
> about this particular bike's history.  Do the
> members of this list 
> ever get together for carb clinics or anything?  If
> there's not much 
> focus on do-it-yourself mechanics, does anyone have
> a garage they 
> recommend?  In addition, does anyone know where to
> buy SeaFoam fuel 
> system cleaner locally?  I've heard a number of
> people swear by it.
> 
> 	I'm glad to be aboard!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Dave Chamowitz
> 1985 Yamaha XJ700 Maxim


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At 09:06 AM 3/14/2002, Fish Flowers wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Larry Larson wrote:
>
> > Nice but ignorant sales staff, nice but not-quite-as-ignorant parts
> > people, and a big theft problem -- so the helmets are all high up on
> > shelves behind the sales counter where you can't get at them.
>
>Too bad... I'm really just looking for competent sales people just
>now. Ah, well. Thanks for responding!


You're welcome. I'm afraid the only competent sales people I've met in the 
area are at Clinton Cycle and Bob's BMW.

-- Larry







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I've made the painful decision to sell my beloved steed. After deciding that 
it'll be at least another year or two before I can "pleasure ride" due to 
the construction of my new recording studio and the clients already booked 
after completion, the bike's on the market.

*Green/Purple all factory services performed on schedule
*Anal about maintaining and cleaning/dusting
*Never dropped
*Tank bra
*Custom Kawasaki Seat cover (looks like a continuation of the paint    
scheme)
*BT56SS Front/rear
*Scorpio alarm with pager
*HJC Green/purple leather jacket included
*HJC Green/purple Helmet included
$7500.00

I'm gonna take it to Motorcycle Factory next week to sell on consignment so 
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I'd recommend Ebay for the manual there's almost always one for my bike
(Yamaha Seca II) on there, usually closer to $10.

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	stephen cutchins [mailto:stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX] 
Sent:	Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:09 AM
To:	DC Cycles
Subject:	Re: new owner

Hi David, and welcome!

If the bike has been sitting for a while (say 6 months
or more) it will definitely need a carb rebuild.  The
first thing you do is go to a Yamaha dealer and order
the factory service manual, they are usually no more
than about $50.  "Fiddling" with the carbs is the
easiest way to mess things up worse then they were in
the first place, and a really easy way to fall out of
love with that first bike really quickly after you
spend weeks chasing the same problem.  The factory
manual should have plenty of info on hunting down
problems, and it will have detailed instructions with
pictures on tearing the carbs apart, cleaning them,
and most importantly getting them back together.

Steve

--- David Chamowitz <dchamowitz@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> 	I recently took possession of a 1985 Yamaha XJ700
> Maxim, my 
> first bike.  I've been working with varying success
> to get it 
> running, though am hampered by the fact that I don't
> know anything 
> about this particular bike's history.  Do the
> members of this list 
> ever get together for carb clinics or anything?  If
> there's not much 
> focus on do-it-yourself mechanics, does anyone have
> a garage they 
> recommend?  In addition, does anyone know where to
> buy SeaFoam fuel 
> system cleaner locally?  I've heard a number of
> people swear by it.
> 
> 	I'm glad to be aboard!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Dave Chamowitz
> 1985 Yamaha XJ700 Maxim


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--- Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 hour
> rides.  This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my taste.
> 
> What ever happened to that local 1000 mile ride?  I
> signed up two years ago but it went belly-up.
> 
> MArk

If you are refering to the Capitol 1000, Larry Fears stopped running it a few
years ago, and unfortunately passed away last year.  (Checks for the last
Capitol 1000 were never cashed).  Rick Miller came up with the Mason Dixon
20-20, which was just a group Saddlesore.  Todd Peer and I helped out the first
year as route planners.  (I came up with a 1000 mile route, Todd made it fun!)

There will be several options offered in the MD-2020, including doing a Saddle
Sore 1000.  I'll e-mail the web-bubba about adding some language in to the
webpage to that effect. 

Any other questions, feel free to let me know, on list or off.

Louis


=====
"Admiral" Louis Caplan   1998 Kawasaki Concours
Fairfax, VA
Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/

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Thanks Louis.  I will keep this on-list, as others may
be interested.

The 20-20 website is a little light on details.  What
exactly is it (20 states in 20 hours)?  If you  just
want to do the SS1000, whats the process?  Do you
still hit 20 states?

My goal is to do a SS1000.  I do not have a laptop
with fancy mapping software, etc.  But I am pretty
sure I (with VFR) can do the mileage and that would be
fun.

Thanks

Mark
--- "Louis F. Caplan" <nighthawk700@XXXXXX> wrote:
> --- Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24
> hour
> > rides.  This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my
> taste.
> > 
> > What ever happened to that local 1000 mile ride? 
> I
> > signed up two years ago but it went belly-up.
> > 
> > MArk
> 
> If you are refering to the Capitol 1000, Larry Fears
> stopped running it a few
> years ago, and unfortunately passed away last year. 
> (Checks for the last
> Capitol 1000 were never cashed).  Rick Miller came
> up with the Mason Dixon
> 20-20, which was just a group Saddlesore.  Todd Peer
> and I helped out the first
> year as route planners.  (I came up with a 1000 mile
> route, Todd made it fun!)
> 
> There will be several options offered in the
> MD-2020, including doing a Saddle
> Sore 1000.  I'll e-mail the web-bubba about adding
> some language in to the
> webpage to that effect. 
> 
> Any other questions, feel free to let me know, on
> list or off.
> 
> Louis
> 
> 
> =====
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> Fairfax, VA
> Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/
> 
> Home Page:
> http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm
> 
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Mark Kitchell wrote:
> 
> I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 hour
> rides.  This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my taste.

Mark,

The nice thing about the MD2020 is you can make it
whatever you want.  They offered options for folks
last year who just wanted to do their SaddleSore 1000s,
and they could check out 24 hours into the rally.
There was also an option for a BunBurnerGold (1500
miles in 24 hours) that one DC-cycles lurker,
Dillon Dickson, completed on his Connie!  Woohoo!

And this rally can be anything you want to make
of it.  It's 36 hours long, but I have it on good
authority that a sleepover bonus will be offered 
again this year, and will be worth too many points
to pass up (a couple hardcore riders actually skipped
the bonus last year and finished well).  And you can
finish early, if you so desire.

I had a fairly competitive route worked up for 
last year, but changed plans at the last minute
(the rainy weather might have had something to 
do with it) and just putted around from checkpoint
to checkpoint with the wife.  I had a lot of
fun anyway.  I'll have to come up with a new
excuse if I goof off again this year.  :)

Horkster
-- 
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Louis, a friend and I are considering earning our SS1K "wings" this Spring
and this may be a good opportunity for us in a rally setting.  How does the
SS option work?  Just collect the bonuses that comprise a 1,000-mile circuit
and blow off the rest?  I assume they are "easy" bonuses, gas receipt on
major highways and the like so we
won't run the risk of being time-barred.  Is there a mandatory rest
involved?

Thanks,

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F

----- Original Message -----
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> --- Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 hour
> > rides.  This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my taste.
> >
> > What ever happened to that local 1000 mile ride?  I
> > signed up two years ago but it went belly-up.
> >
> > MArk
>
> If you are refering to the Capitol 1000, Larry Fears stopped running it a
few
> years ago, and unfortunately passed away last year.  (Checks for the last
> Capitol 1000 were never cashed).  Rick Miller came up with the Mason Dixon
> 20-20, which was just a group Saddlesore.  Todd Peer and I helped out the
first
> year as route planners.  (I came up with a 1000 mile route, Todd made it
fun!)
>
> There will be several options offered in the MD-2020, including doing a
Saddle
> Sore 1000.  I'll e-mail the web-bubba about adding some language in to the
> webpage to that effect.
>
> Any other questions, feel free to let me know, on list or off.
>
> Louis




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--- Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Thanks Louis.  I will keep this on-list, as others may
> be interested.
> 
> The 20-20 website is a little light on details.  What
> exactly is it (20 states in 20 hours)?  If you  just
> want to do the SS1000, whats the process?  Do you
> still hit 20 states?

Drawing on memory here, so I may not be 100% right, but the original thought
when we first started was 20 bonus locations above the Mason Dixon line, and 20
below.  Then one of the rallybubbas came up with the not-so-great idea of
multiplying the 20's to get 400 locations.  The screams of rally-goers are
still echoing.  Right now, as far as I know, it's just part of the name of the
annual rally, Mason Dixon 20-20.  DOA is this year's theme. 

There is no set number of states you have to hit.  The rally boarder is defined
on the web page as "Plan on a region bounded by Sault Ste Marie, ON to the
North; Lubec, ME to the East; Jacksonville, FL to the South; and, the
Mississippi River to the West."  But there will also be separate groupings of
bonus locations (pick your pleasure).  

> My goal is to do a SS1000.  I do not have a laptop
> with fancy mapping software, etc.  But I am pretty
> sure I (with VFR) can do the mileage and that would be
> fun.

By participating in the MD2020, you don't have to worry about the fancy mapping
software.  We'll provide the route for a SS1000 for those who only want to do
that.  You also don't have to worry about witnesses.  Plus if you find others
who just want to do the SS1000, you may want to ride in a group. 
 
> Thanks
> 
> Mark

Louis


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Fairfax, VA
Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/

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In a message dated 3/13/2002 3:59:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
moran_randy@XXXXXX writes:

> We get old quickly, and nothing is quite as hollow-feeling as regret. Pure 
> advertising genius, IMO.

Few things are as true.
I do know an "old timer" who wound up getting a divorce, back when divorce 
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instead of a washing machine.
"I had a bike when I got married, I was always going to have a bike, my wife 
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Best thing that ever happened to him.


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Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one.  Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it out.

I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that used to be a wood working shop.  Well, I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? 

A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"

There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...

If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do?  I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic.

LAG


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And a wood shop is not a fire hazard?


----- Original Message -----
From: "LAURA GRANATO" <lgranato@XXXXXX>


> Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one.  Right now I have
tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to
check it out.
>
> I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that
used to be a wood working shop.  Well, I pop the doors to the room open and
what do I find?
>
> A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy was a
racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"
>
> There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...
>
> If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do?  I've
already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic.
>
> LAG



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On Thu, 14 March 2002, "Bruce Norton" wrote:

> 
> And a wood shop is not a fire hazard?
> 
> 
I'm not saying it's not...but it wasn't my house then.  The previous owner had a wood shop.  I use it as a storage room.

Laura


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The biggest hazard in my mind is the gas tank.  If the
bike is stored inside with the gas tank off and in an
outside shed, than the hazard is less.

Keith

--- LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. 
> Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in
> Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it
> out.
> 
> I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room
> in my basement that used to be a wood working shop. 
> Well, I pop the doors to the room open and what do I
> find? 
> 
> A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot
> this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze
> and think "FIRE HAZARD!"
> 
> There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil
> everywhere...
> 
> If you were me, would this piss you off and what
> would you do?  I've already decided what I'm gonna
> do, but thought this might be a fun topic.
> 
> LAG
> 
> 
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What kind of bike?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:57 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: motorcycle opinion question
> 
> 
> Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one.  Right now I 
> have tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped 
> by last night to check it out.
> 
> I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement 
> that used to be a wood working shop.  Well, I pop the doors to 
> the room open and what do I find? 
> 
> A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy was a 
> racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"
> 
> There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...
> 
> If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do?  
> I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be 
> a fun topic.
> 
> LAG
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________
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> http://www.peoplepc.com 
> 

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http://www.chivinmoto.com/images/ot3140.mpeg

I don't think this has been posted here before...

--jon

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On Thu, 14 March 2002, "Jon Strang" wrote:

> 
> What kind of bike?
> 

I didn't really look at it...I was dumbfounded...Jordan?  What kind of bike was it?  I just remember it was blue...and big...LOL

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--- LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. 
> Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in
> Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it out.
> 
> I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my
> basement that used to be a wood working shop.  Well, I
> pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? 
> 
> A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this
> guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze and think
> "FIRE HAZARD!"
> 
> There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil
> everywhere...
> 
> If you were me, would this piss you off and what would
> you do?  I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but
> thought this might be a fun topic.

only YOU are allowed to destroy your home.  i'd gut the
bastard....

then i'd call my insurance agent to verify fire coverage



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At 10:55 AM 3/14/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:
>"I had a bike when I got married, I was always going to have a bike, my wife
>knew that."

Gawd, I must have heard it a hundred times:

"I'd love to ride, but my wife won't let me."

I always look at such people like they're space aliens. :-)

Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Just 
curious.

  /// Rob


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On Thu, 14 March 2002, Keith Lamond wrote:

> 
> The biggest hazard in my mind is the gas tank.  If the
> bike is stored inside with the gas tank off and in an
> outside shed, than the hazard is less.
> 
> Keith
> 
Gas tank still attached...no key to check if there was gas in it...but with the brain power these people have, I wouldn't doubt it.  The basement is set up as an extra bedroom, and they tried to tell me nobody was living down there...um, yea, right...



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Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one.  Right now I have
tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last
night to check it out.


   <DJY>  Not violating their right to 'quiet enjoyment of the 
property', were you ?   



I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that
used to be a wood working shop.  Well, I pop the doors to the room
open and what do I find?


   <DJY>  Do tell... 


A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy was a
racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"

   <DJY>  If you can smell an odor of fuel ask yourself this -
   Does the house have (natural) Gas appliances?
   Does the house have an oil fired furnace ?

Both are potential ignition sources ... If either of the above is 
true, you should've double tapped them in the chest, gone upstairs, 
gotten a kitchen knife & wrapped their cold dead fingers around it, 
torn your blouse / shirt, ruffled your hair a little &  called the 
cops...  

If it's a heat pump, there's not *as much* a risk of ignition...  

There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...


   <DJY> so....  maybe it's NOT so cool to have racer tenants...  


If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do?  I've
already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun
topic.

  <DJY>  Yes and I'd ask them nicely to remove the bike from inside 
the house.  Like it or not, when the tenant(s) leave, the permeating 
odor of gasoline is *NOT* a selling point for potential buyers...  or 
future renters.  

Dave  



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..and of course, synthetic or dino?

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...
> 


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In a message dated 3/14/2002 10:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
lgranato@XXXXXX writes:

> I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? 
>  
>  A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy was a racer...
> then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"

Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A garage under a 
townhouse?
Just a question.


John.
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> ..and of course, synthetic or dino?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...

That would be a major complaint for me.  It's a fire hazard first....second 
it permanently defaces your property....and third....it's probably against 
the local fire code....at a guess.  String the no-good motorcycle wanna-be up 
by their thumbs!!!  :)

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OH MY GOD...has hell frozen over...Dave actually agrees with me?????

:)

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On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Rob Winters wrote:

> Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman?

Yes, actually. Most recently from a friend whose husband won't let her
ride or (and this is the one which surprises me) get her nipple pierced.

Fish.
it takes all kinds


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I'd only allow synthetic to touch my floors.  They
should be gutted if the floor is being defaced with
dino juice :)

Keith
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil
> everywhere...
> > 
> 


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I don't think there's any difference, but the issue is the cleanliness/fire
hazard of oil and oily rags all over the place.
Also, gasoline (and to a lesser extent, kerosene or other solvents) being
used to clean parts/left in coffee cans or whatever.  All significant fire
hazards regardless of location.

I'd be a hardass on the issue if they've demonstrated lack of judgement.  On
the other hand, if they're doing a reasonable job of protecting your
investment, I think I'd understand...being that I know how hard it is to
find a place to work on your bike.  FWIW.



> From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX]
>
> In a message dated 3/14/2002 10:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> lgranato@XXXXXX writes:
>
> > I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find?
> >
> >  A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy
> was a racer...
> > then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"
>
> Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A
> garage under a
> townhouse?
> Just a question.
>
>
> John.
> PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
>


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Laura tried to slip into the 'Daddy pants' (re:  Austin Powers)...

OH MY GOD...has hell frozen over...Dave actually agrees with me?????

:)


   <DJY>  Don't  * S T A R T *  with me ;-)  


So, you already double tapped the offender ?  what did you do with 
the body ?


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A boilerplate lease agreement usually covers such contingencies, storage of
hazardous materials.  Notify the tenant(s) that they are in violation of the
lease terms and they have such and such time period to address the problem
or you will begin eviction proceedings.

Paul in DC
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> In a message dated 3/14/02 11:36:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> jmstrang@XXXXXX writes:
>
>
> > ..and of course, synthetic or dino?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...
>
> That would be a major complaint for me.  It's a fire hazard
first....second
> it permanently defaces your property....and third....it's probably against
> the local fire code....at a guess.  String the no-good motorcycle wanna-be
up
> by their thumbs!!!  :)
>


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On Thu, 14 March 2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:

> Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A garage under a 
> townhouse?
> Just a question.
> 

Just called the fire department.  He said "zero flammable liquids of that nature should be in the house...especially a townhouse which causes risk to the connecting houses."  Insurance would not pay for any damage if something were to happen.


LAG



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Rob Winters wrote:

> Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Just
> curious.

My wife was able to use that line for a few years, until she 
convinced me that we should get a motorcycle.  Then I went off
the deep end...  :)  I wonder if she has any regrets about that?  

Horkster
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Jon Strang wrote:
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> http://www.chivinmoto.com/images/ot3140.mpeg
> 
> I don't think this has been posted here before...

It's amazing the kinds of ads the yurupeens can
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Hork

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--- LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 March 2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> > Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached
> garage? A garage under a 
> > townhouse?
> > Just a question.
> > 
> 
> Just called the fire department.  He said "zero flammable
> liquids of that nature should be in the
> house...especially a townhouse which causes risk to the
> connecting houses."  Insurance would not pay for any
> damage if something were to happen.

he can't tell you that without reading the policy(ies)
involved.

however, now that you ARE AWARE of the risk, i imagine
you'd be in some serious shit were anything bad to happen.

you got a lease with these folks?  sounds like a
substantial breach of any standard form lease agreement
which would warrant immediate termination.

btw, this ain't legal advice


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well, there's your answer.

Out with the flammables.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX]

> Insurance would not 
> pay for any damage if something were to happen.
> 
> 
> LAG
> 
> 
> 
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In a message dated 3/14/02 11:59:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> Just called the fire department.  He said "zero flammable liquids of that 
> nature should be in the house...especially a townhouse which causes risk to 
> the connecting houses."  Insurance would not pay for any damage if 
> something were to happen.

Sounds like you have yoru answer.  The tenant is putting your house at 
risk.....and that's not cool.

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IANAL, but... What does the lease say?

If there's no written lease, you can probably set lots of reasonable 
restrictions on how the property is used.

Lots of leases have restrictive text on automotive mechanical work in 
excess of routine maintenance; the purpose being to prevent the place from 
becoming a shadetree mechanic's business with attendant wrecks and 
environment issues.

Almost all leases prohibit commercial enterprises not specifically called 
out as exceptions, the purpose of the property being residential. Is this a 
commercial enterprise?

Check your insurance coverage to see how much trouble you might be in if a 
tenant's rebuild results in a fire that brings the place to the ground.

I only personally know of one case where a guy was working on his bike in 
an attached garage, it caught fire, he couldn't get it out, and it burned 
his family out of house and home. OTOH, I *do* know one, so I guess only 
you know whether your glass is half empty or half full. (BTW, his insurance 
covered well, and he built a much nicer house on the same lot.)

  /// Rob


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On Thu, 14 March 2002, Fish Flowers wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Rob Winters wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman?
> 
> Yes, actually. Most recently from a friend whose husband won't let her
> ride or (and this is the one which surprises me) get her nipple pierced.
> 

There are many men, believe it or not, who are just as possessive and demanding as women can be.  I learned at an early age to stay away from those types. ;-)

LAG


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This one needs a disclaimer.  I just glad no one was
around me when I fired it up at work.

keith
--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Jon Strang wrote:
> > 
> > http://www.chivinmoto.com/images/ot3140.mpeg
> > 
> > I don't think this has been posted here before...
> 
> It's amazing the kinds of ads the yurupeens can
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> 
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> 
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On Thu, 14 March 2002, Rob Winters wrote:

> 
> IANAL, but... What does the lease say?
> 

Gotta pull the lease out tonight...I do remember something in there about flammables.  

However, just called and told them they had 24 hours to get that shit out of there...Told them there would be an inspection on Saturday to see if it's gone or not.

Sucks for them...god, I can't wait to get them out of there. I think I"ll have to have a party to celebrate.

LAG





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I would be slightly pissed off.  That just shows a lack of caring for other peoples property on the tenants part.

Scooter

In a message dated Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX> writes:

> Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one.  Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it out.
> 
> I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that used to be a wood working shop.  Well, I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? 
> 
> A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"
> 
> There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...
> 
> If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do?  I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic.
> 
> LAG
> 
> 
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this is why i brought the subject up.  under the lease you
may have a right to immediate ejectment.  i'd be careful in
my communications to them if you in fact want to repossess
the property.




--- LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 March 2002, Rob Winters wrote:
> 
> > 
> > IANAL, but... What does the lease say?
> > 
> 
> Gotta pull the lease out tonight...I do remember
> something in there about flammables.  
> 
> However, just called and told them they had 24 hours to
> get that shit out of there...Told them there would be an
> inspection on Saturday to see if it's gone or not.
> 
> Sucks for them...god, I can't wait to get them out of
> there. I think I"ll have to have a party to celebrate.


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Laura Laments -
> > Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a 
woman?

There are many men, believe it or not, who are just as possessive and
demanding as women can be.  I learned at an early age to stay away
from those types. ;-)

   <DJY>  Because opposites attract ?  <bfg>

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Yes.  Why do you think we've had such a strange winter?  ;-)

Scooter

In a message dated Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:46:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX> writes:

> OH MY GOD...has hell frozen over...Dave actually agrees with me?????
> 
> :)
> 
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Keener wrote:

> String the no-good motorcycle wanna-be up by their thumbs!!!  :) 

Yeah, who'd ever rent a house to biker scum in the first place?  :)

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Time to open a can of WhoopAss on them.  :-)

Scooter

In a message dated Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:59:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX> writes:

> On Thu, 14 March 2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> > Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A garage under a 
> > townhouse?
> > Just a question.
> > 
> 
> Just called the fire department.  He said "zero flammable liquids of that nature should be in the house...especially a townhouse which causes risk to the connecting houses."  Insurance would not pay for any damage if something were to happen.
> 
> 
> LAG
> 
> 
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On Thu, 14 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

> 
> Laura Laments -
> > > Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a 
> woman?
> 
> There are many men, believe it or not, who are just as possessive and
> demanding as women can be.  I learned at an early age to stay away
> from those types. ;-)
> 
>    <DJY>  Because opposites attract ?  <bfg>
> 

Damn,Dave...them'z fightin' words.  LOL.  I think Roach will attest to the fact that I am hardly possessive and demanding...ok, wait...maybe demanding, but not in a bad way. LOL. ;-)

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sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

> So, you already double tapped the offender ?  what did you do with
> the body ?
> 
covered the body in oil from the floor, torched the house,
and made out like a bandit on the fire insurance money?  :)
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I'm still confused why you were in the house?

 -----Original Message-----
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On Thu, 14 March 2002, Rob Winters wrote:

> 
> IANAL, but... What does the lease say?
> 

Gotta pull the lease out tonight...I do remember something in there about
flammables.  

However, just called and told them they had 24 hours to get that shit out of
there...Told them there would be an inspection on Saturday to see if it's
gone or not.

Sucks for them...god, I can't wait to get them out of there. I think I"ll
have to have a party to celebrate.

LAG





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Hork Hypothesizes 

> So, you already double tapped the offender ?  what did you do with
> the body ?
> 
covered the body in oil from the floor, torched the house,
and made out like a bandit on the fire insurance money?  :)


<DJY>  As fire inspectors are combing through the ruins...

'damn capt...  you ever seen something like this?'  'looks like this 
bozo shot himself in the chest, then the muzzle blast lit off the 
fumes from that there motorcycle, and he incinerated himself...'  I 
tell ya, these bikers are strange...'
  
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ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> Time to open a can of WhoopAss on them.  :-)
> 

Sounds like Laura would rather have a bag of
oil-dry...but it's the thought that counts.  :)

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On Thu, 14 March 2002, Dale Horstman wrote:

> 
> sdave@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> > So, you already double tapped the offender ?  what did you do with
> > the body ?
> > 
> covered the body in oil from the floor, torched the house,
> and made out like a bandit on the fire insurance money?  :)

nah, I believe in Karma...

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> 
> I'm still confused why you were in the house?
> 


A. Because I am starting to show the house to potential roommates.

B. Because it's my damn house and I gave them 24 hours notice that I would be there...all that's required.

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On Thu, 14 March 2002, Keith Lamond wrote:

> 
> This one needs a disclaimer.  I just glad no one was
> around me when I fired it up at work.
> 

That rules!!!! Damn sexy bike!

:-)
LAG


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LAG fatalistically remarked 
...
> covered the body in oil from the floor, torched the house,
> and made out like a bandit on the fire insurance money?  :)

nah, I believe in Karma...


   <DJY>  yeah, so ?  I do too, and the way I see it, I'm running 
a 'Karmic surplus' right about now after Cub Scouts, Webelos (wobble 
but they don't fall down, I know...), Boy Scouts, ARMY (Boy scouts 
without adult supervision), lots of good deeds and the like.  
Further, I take a 'fundamentalist' view of Karma in that in a similar 
situation, the 'tenant', would have to expect BAD Karma as a result 
of their foolishness, and so, my inflicting any bad karma on them 
would be a net break even, in Karma terms ;-)  


JMHO

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Since I seem to have open containers of flammable waste on the brain now, 
what are the options available for getting rid of such stuff anyway, and 
the costs, if any.

I know that there are service stations that will accept used oil, but are 
they required to, and what are they allowed to charge for doing so?

Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my own interesting 
collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a 
cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the 
proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me? Inquiring minds want to know. 
(I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them quite spectacular, but 
I digress.)

I live in Arlington, BTW, if that matters.

Thanks.

  /// Rob


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Eric Silberg confessed, "Many times when people ask me what kind of bike I
have, the response is something like: "What, you can't afford a Harley?"
Now I own sport(y) bikes so this is really quite an inane comment.  I have a
feeling they would have said the same thing if I told them I rode a BMW or a
Ducati.  If they actually knew anything, they might have said "What, you
can't afford an MV Agusta?" and this would make some sense, since I can't...
But it does go to show that people over here associate motorcycles with
Harley, and everything else is a compromise."

Bzzt, The answer is "I have a ree-al motorcycle, a Honda.  It's for riding,
not polishing."


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Does anyone here have the number for Cycle Trader (not the website).

I can't seem to find it on their website.

 

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Ah yes, the 2000 Aprilia RSV Mille in the ONLY color -
red, blue, and silver.  I was the lucky owner of
serial number 000027, too bad turn 7 at Summit Point
was hungry that race :(

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> On Thu, 14 March 2002, Keith Lamond wrote:
> 
> > 
> > This one needs a disclaimer.  I just glad no one
> was
> > around me when I fired it up at work.
> > 
> 
> That rules!!!! Damn sexy bike!
> 
> :-)
> LAG
> 
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Fairfax county has disposal centers that take both oil
and gas.  Locations are on the county website I
believe.  Cost is free.

Keith
--- Rob Winters <rob@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Since I seem to have open containers of flammable
> waste on the brain now, 
> what are the options available for getting rid of
> such stuff anyway, and 
> the costs, if any.
> 
> I know that there are service stations that will
> accept used oil, but are 
> they required to, and what are they allowed to
> charge for doing so?
> 
> Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my
> own interesting 
> collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity
> of old gas, and also a 
> cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of
> "properly". So what is the 
> proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me?
> Inquiring minds want to know. 
> (I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them
> quite spectacular, but 
> I digress.)
> 
> I live in Arlington, BTW, if that matters.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>   /// Rob
> 


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On Thu, 14 March 2002, "Custer, Carl" wrote:

 The answer is "I have a ree-al motorcycle, a Honda.  It's for riding,
> not polishing."


Ummm, Keiser might tend to disagree with that! ;)

LAG

P.S.  Sorry Rob, had to!!!!


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On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Rob Winters wrote:

> collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a
> cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the
> proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me? Inquiring minds want to know.
> (I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them quite spectacular, but
> I digress.)

I dont know about arlington specifcly, but loudoun, fairfax,
pince-william, and more I suspect will accept oil, gas, and other
househodl-hazardous wastes at they landfill or transfer station. I dont
know if arlington has something like this for its residents, but I suspect
a call to the sanitation authority or countyr/city firemarshals office
would get your answer.

-jd


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--- Razz Man <razzsounds@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I've made the painful decision to sell my beloved steed.
> After deciding that 
> it'll be at least another year or two before I can
> "pleasure ride" due to 
> the construction of my new recording studio and the
> clients already booked 
> after completion, the bike's on the market.

it is unclear how you made it past harry's initial
screening for admittance.  priorities such as these are
improper for members of this list....



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Easy now.

But think of it, you can't ride ALL the time.  ;)

Rob
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On Thu, 14 March 2002, "Custer, Carl" wrote:

  The answer is "I have a ree-al motorcycle, a Honda.  It's for riding,
 > not polishing."


Ummm, Keiser might tend to disagree with that! ;)

LAG

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Does anyone know where I can get an owner's manual for a 1995 CBR F3?
Thanks.

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A wood shop won't void your homeowner's insurance, and a racing bike or 
substantial stock of oil in the basement might.

-- Larry


At 11:01 AM 3/14/2002, Bruce Norton wrote:
>And a wood shop is not a fire hazard?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "LAURA GRANATO" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
>
>
> > Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one.  Right now I have
>tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to
>check it out.
> >
> > I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that
>used to be a wood working shop.  Well, I pop the doors to the room open and
>what do I find?
> >
> > A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy was a
>racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"
> >
> > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...
> >
> > If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do?  I've
>already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic.
> >
> > LAG






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Ask my SO to go downhill skiing and you'll probably get a "my [relational 
noun of your choice] won't let me." After out-of-control teenagers wrecked 
her knee twice, causing her to miss most of two tennis seasons, I bought 
her cross-country skis as a strong hint.

OTOH, she always encourages me to head for Summit Point when the track 
season starts.

It's always convenient to have someone else to blame it on. 8;)

-- Larry


At 11:22 AM 3/14/2002, Rob Winters wrote:
>At 10:55 AM 3/14/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:
>>"I had a bike when I got married, I was always going to have a bike, my wife
>>knew that."
>
>Gawd, I must have heard it a hundred times:
>
>"I'd love to ride, but my wife won't let me."
>
>I always look at such people like they're space aliens. :-)
>
>Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Just 
>curious.
>
>  /// Rob
>
>






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Depends -- how deep is the basement?

-- Larry

At 11:32 AM 3/14/2002, Jon Strang wrote:
>..and of course, synthetic or dino?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...
> >






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http://www.co.arlington.va.us/des/wpcp/hhwaste.htm (Arlington Household 
Hazardous Waste Program)

-- Larry


At 01:06 PM 3/14/2002, Rob Winters wrote:
>Since I seem to have open containers of flammable waste on the brain now, 
>what are the options available for getting rid of such stuff anyway, and 
>the costs, if any.
>
>I know that there are service stations that will accept used oil, but are 
>they required to, and what are they allowed to charge for doing so?
>
>Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my own interesting 
>collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a 
>cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the 
>proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me? Inquiring minds want to 
>know. (I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them quite 
>spectacular, but I digress.)
>
>I live in Arlington, BTW, if that matters.
>
>Thanks.
>
>  /// Rob
>
>






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DC seems to require gas stations to take uncontaminated (by gasoline) oil.
(There also exist oil burning heaters that run on used motor oil, but I
have no experience with them.)


As for old/dirty gas, I filter it through cotton cloth to remove water and
rust and use it in my bikes.  Done it for years, never had any problems.

--garcia


rob@XXXXXX writes:
>I know that there are service stations that will accept used oil, but are 
>they required to, and what are they allowed to charge for doing so?
>
>Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my own interesting 
>collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a 
>cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the 
>proper way, anyway,


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Rob Winters wrote:

> At 10:55 AM 3/14/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:
> >"I had a bike when I got married, I was always going to have a bike, my wife
> >knew that."
>
> Gawd, I must have heard it a hundred times:
>
> "I'd love to ride, but my wife won't let me."
>
> I always look at such people like they're space aliens. :-)
>
> Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Just
> curious.
>
>   /// Rob

Yes, heard that "my husband won't let me" line numerous times.  And I've also
heard "You let your wife do... !!!" numerous times.  Both get my space alien
look.

Bill


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depends, will they let you borrow it???

Lisa


Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question

--- LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one.
> Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in
> Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it
> out.
>
> I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room

> A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot
> this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze
> and think "FIRE HAZARD!"

> If you were me, would this piss you off and what
> would you do?  I've already decided what I'm gonna
> do, but thought this might be a fun topic.
>
> LAG
>


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PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:

> In a message dated 3/14/2002 10:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> lgranato@XXXXXX writes:
>
> > I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find?
> >
> >  A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy was a racer...
> > then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"
>
> Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A garage under a
> townhouse?
> Just a question.
>
> John.
> PenguinBiker@XXXXXX

YES!  I have an attached garage.  The specs for the structure and walls are
differnet than the house - must have FIRECODE sheetrock.  And steel columns must
be covered in wood or FC sheetrock.  Etc, etc, etc....  An attached garage built
to code is designed to protect the house occupants from a fire within the garage.

Bill
The ultimate DIY - built me own dang house...



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LAURA GRANATO wrote:

> Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one.  Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it out.
>
> I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that used to be a wood working shop.  Well, I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find?
>
> A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"
>
> There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...
>
> If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do?  I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic.
>
> LAG

A fun topic, but NOT FUNNY!   Sweetly inform tenents they have fifteen minutes to get the bike and all accompanying fluids and junk OUTTA THERE!   Then perfrom a
*white glove* inspection to see that they've cleaned up all the oil etc.

Gasolene fumes are heavier than air.  This is a basement.  Sorta like a boat bilge.  All inboard boats have bilge blowers which must be run for a few minutes before
attempting to start the engine.  Forget this detail and a boatowner will take a not-so-cool rocket ride into the sky with the helm seat pedestal firmly implanted in
their ass.  Gasolene in a basement presents the same hazard.  GET RID THAT BIKE!

Bill


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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:22:42 -0500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Rob Winters <rob@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial

At 10:55 AM 3/14/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:
>"I had a bike when I got married, I was always going to have a bike, my
wife
>knew that."

Gawd, I must have heard it a hundred times:

"I'd love to ride, but my wife won't let me."

I always look at such people like they're space aliens. :-)

Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Just
curious.

  /// Rob

I have witnessed this sorry scene before.  My husband and I were at a
racetrack for some track time a few weekends ago.  A couple arrived early
Sunday morning.  I saw the wife in the bathroom and politely asked if she
would be out on the track.   She replied that it looked like nobody was
going to be on the track if the rain didn't let up.  I never got an answer
and left it at that.

I commented to my husband that the couple had a nice set up with a big van
to transport their bikes but I couldn't see what they had because nobody had
unloaded bikes with the rain still coming down.  My husband said that he had
asked her if she would be out on the track with me and she replied "my
husband won't let me".

I guess what leaves me so stumped about it is that it was a miserable, cold,
wet and rainy day.  I know that hell would sooner freeze over before I would
spend an entire Sunday going to a track to watch my husband go around and
around and around unless I were actively involved in the sport too.  I am
also curious to know if she rides on the street or if she rides on the back
of his bike....

Lisa Goddard
'95 VFR





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PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question

In a message dated 3/14/2002 10:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lgranato@XXXXXX writes:

> I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find?
>  A race bike.   Ok, first I think "cool."  I forgot this guy was a
racer...
> then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!"

Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A garage under
a
townhouse?
Just a question.

John.
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX

Garage will not be on the HVAC system as the house to prevent the spread of
fumes, at least not if the house is not really old.  Also, the garage should
have a stronger door between it and the house that would slow, not stop, the
spread of fire.

I guess I am not one to talk.   There are usually two or three motorcycles
living in our rec. room in the basement.  Nice and close to the air intake
for the heat and next to the washer and dryer.  Just for good measure we
also keep all of the recycling in our garage next to the gas cans.

Lisa Goddard
'95 VFR



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garcia oliver wrote:

> As for old/dirty gas, I filter it through cotton cloth to remove water and
> rust and use it in my bikes.  Done it for years, never had any problems.
>
> --garcia

NOOOO!!!  Maybe your definition of old is last season, but one time I decided
to eliminate a 15 gal garboy of real old gas - dump gas from racimng outboards
which had 2-stroke oil and many mysterious *smoke* additives to make engine go
fast enough to occassionally hand grenade.   I poured a few gallons in my
pickup tank.  Hey, had about 12 gallons in it, a safe mix... WRONG!  Damn
truck made it outta the driveway abd coughed out - had to drain the damn tank,
clean the lines and throttle body - MAJOR PITA!

Old gas = fence line weedkiller

Bill


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OK smart people, is there some sort of formula or something to figure 
out the correct number of chain links needed based on F and R sprocket 
combinations?  Stock FZR sprockets are 15/45 and number of chain links 
is 106.  My FZR currently is -2 in front and +3 in back (i.e., 13/48) 
from the previous owner.  I want to go up one more tooth in front and 
run 14/48.  Problem is that the current chain is not long enough so that 
I can get sufficient chain slack.  So how do I know how many links more 
I need?  I don't know how many links the current chain is because it's 
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count them for me.  Or is there a way to figure it out without knowing 
the current chain length, but knowing what the stock length is?  Much thanx!

Chuck



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From: Bruce Brownlee <brownlee_b@XXXXXX>
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At 07:00 PM 3/13/2002 -0500, 'The Horkster' wrote:
>And that, in a nutshell, seems to be Harley's total design
>philosophy.  It's not intended for those who actually ride.  Lol!  :)

any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged
bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020!  god only knows HOW you
manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride the rally......

:-)~~~~

Bruce
'95 FLHTC - 2.99 times SaddleSore Award (and then some)....
------------------------------------------------------------------------

LMAO!  And touche!

Todd



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At 10:16 AM 3/14/02 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:06 AM 3/14/2002, Fish Flowers wrote:
>>On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Larry Larson wrote:
>>
>> > Nice but ignorant sales staff, nice but not-quite-as-ignorant parts
>> > people, and a big theft problem -- so the helmets are all high up on
>> > shelves behind the sales counter where you can't get at them.
>>
>>Too bad... I'm really just looking for competent sales people just
>>now. Ah, well. Thanks for responding!
>
>
>You're welcome. I'm afraid the only competent sales people I've met in the 
>area are at Clinton Cycle and Bob's BMW.
>
>-- Larry

I had good luck purchasing (and previous service on other bikes) at JT
Motorsports in Frederick, MD.  Gunner was great to deal with and I got a
nice price on my Busa.

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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At 01:06 PM 3/14/02 -0500, Rob Winters wrote:
>Since I seem to have open containers of flammable waste on the brain now, 
>what are the options available for getting rid of such stuff anyway, and 
>the costs, if any.
>
>I know that there are service stations that will accept used oil, but are 
>they required to, and what are they allowed to charge for doing so?
>
>Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my own interesting 
>collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a 
>cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the 
>proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me? Inquiring minds want to know. 
>(I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them quite spectacular, but 
>I digress.)
>
>I live in Arlington, BTW, if that matters.

I live in MD and take mine to the local landfill.  They have recycling
available for most auto/bike liquids  :-)

-- Wayne

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Wayne,

What do they carry besides Suzuki?

Tnx -- Larry

At 10:44 PM 3/14/2002, you wrote:

>I had good luck purchasing (and previous service on other bikes) at JT
>Motorsports in Frederick, MD.  Gunner was great to deal with and I got a
>nice price on my Busa.
>
>-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/






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Must have been interesting stuff!  Got any left?


--garcia


bhuson@XXXXXX writes:
>> As for old/dirty gas, I filter it through cotton cloth to remove water
>and
>> rust and use it in my bikes.  Done it for years, never had any problems.
>>
>> --garcia
>
>NOOOO!!!  Maybe your definition of old is last season, but one time I
>decided
>to eliminate a 15 gal garboy of real old gas - dump gas from racimng
>outboards
>which had 2-stroke oil and many mysterious *smoke* additives to make
>engine go
>fast enough to occassionally hand grenade.   I poured a few gallons in my
>pickup tank.  Hey, had about 12 gallons in it, a safe mix... WRONG!  Damn
>truck made it outta the driveway abd coughed out - had to drain the damn
>tank,
>clean the lines and throttle body - MAJOR PITA!
>
>Old gas = fence line weedkiller



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At 11:03 PM 3/14/02 -0500, Larry Larson wrote:
>Wayne,
>
>What do they carry besides Suzuki?
>
>Tnx -- Larry

Kawasaki and KTM, not sure of any others.  They had a Duke in the showroom
last time I was there  :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/

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I have a gray w/black ballistics aerostich roadcrafter for sale. The jacket is a 40S and the pants 38R (not a waist size, they're a typical match for a 38 jacket) plus the ellipse that goes between the two pieces. It is almost 10 years old (I think 6/92 is the mfg date) and has been worn almost daily. $200/best offer. Believe it or not the suit still looks great. It's been treated with various scotchguard type products regularly through the years and has never been crashed. Most people would not guess the age or amount of usage the suit has had... Why am I getting rid of it? I'm 45 lbs heavier than 10 years ago! :)

Things it needs/could use:
velcro for main zipper closure on jacket
velcro for zipper closure on pants
right leg zipper (closes to within 4" of bottom of leg)
snap for left leg
new armor
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patch on left lower leg where I inadvertently touched the exhaust and put a 
     1" or so hole in the fabric

I'm still using the suit as it is...

JPEGs available upon request.

Kirk


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Let me get this straight.  
You were looking for a place to store a motorcycle (sans flammables, one can
only presume)
and found a M/C in a state of riding preps and....




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Jiffy lube takes it.... but only paraffin or asphalt based (dino-squeezins)
oil, no synth, no mineral, solvents etc...  it's recycled into grade B,
which I believe is used by industry for surface lubricants on production
machinery. (don't quote me on that)

The Auto Zone takes batts

Fairfax Country Fire training center used to take solvents, paint and all
that stuff.

rags -- wrap them around a wooden club, ignite and use on Hallo weenie night



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--- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
>
> Old gas = fence line weedkiller

ahhh, yes, the gift that keeps giving.... to future
generations of mutants

--
tg


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--- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:
> --- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > 
> > > it makes no difference what effect was had on
> the
> > > "victim"
> > > if i can show that my client lacked this
> specific
> > > intent.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Oh yeah, it DOES matter what the effect was. 
> > 
> > I punch you in the jaw once and you laugh at me =
> > simple assault (class 1 misdemeanor)
> > 
> > I punch you in the jaw once and your jaw shatters
> =
> > malicious wounding (class 3 felony)
> > 
> > I punch you in the jaw and you fall back breaking
> your
> > neck and die = murder (class 2 felony)
> 
> no offense, todd (tip of the day: don't offend teh
> police),
> but what does this have to do with specific intent
> in
> general and teh new virginia law in particular?
> 


My point being that the effect of an action DOES
affect the seriousness of the crime regardless of the
intent. 

Todd W.

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garcia oliver wrote:

> Must have been interesting stuff!  Got any left?
>
> --garcia
>

Nope.  But mid-April we'll be racing in NC.  We use a fuel checker since
*smoke* additives are prohibited in Stock classes.  All that does is improve
the chemical knowledge and skills of the boat racers.   Folks have been known
to get a *rush* just from sniffing the exhaust fumes!

Bill


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I am still looking to sell my honda nighthawk. This
sell on consignment sounds good - "Razz man" could you
tell more abt this Motorcycle factory? I dont have
your email.

Or anyone else know abt this?

Thanks,

Ulrich
ulrich@XXXXXX

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I've made the painful decision to sell my beloved
steed. After deciding that
it'll be at least another year or two before I can
"pleasure ride" due to
the construction of my new recording studio and the
clients already booked
after completion, the bike's on the market.

*Green/Purple all factory services performed on
schedule
*Anal about maintaining and cleaning/dusting
*Never dropped
*Tank bra
*Custom Kawasaki Seat cover (looks like a continuation
of the paint
scheme)
*BT56SS Front/rear
*Scorpio alarm with pager
*HJC Green/purple leather jacket included
*HJC Green/purple Helmet included
$7500.00

I'm gonna take it to Motorcycle Factory next week to
sell on consignment so
this would be a good week to respond if interested.

Razz

99 ZX9R (for now)
89 LTD454
86 LTD454



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>what are the options available for getting rid of such stuff anyway, and 
>the costs, if any

There is an auto parts store on 14th Street NW, around R Street or so; it is
called Powell Automotive and it's across from the Trak Auto. They will pay
you for batteries to be sent to the recycling plant. It's about $5 a
battery; technically they want you to buy your new one there and then get
the rebate but they have let me slide on this before. Even if you don't get
paid they will at least send the battery back to the plant for you. (When I
moved into my new house there were about 9 batteries hanging out in the back
yard.)  At one point they were taking used oil too but I'm not sure if they
still do. Worth a phone call at least.

For those other Urbanites on the list, Powell Automotive also carries spark
plugs to fit most bikes. On the phone they will tell you they don't carry
motorcycle parts, but if you take the plug in they often have it. Or if you
read the numbers on the plug to them.  Prices are good, lots of tools, etc.
Beats a trip to the 'burbs for something like spark plugs!

Cheers,

Patti the Lantech
'95 Virago 750



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Most municipalities have household hazardous waste days where you can get
rid of used oil, old paint, solvents, tires and all your other accumulated
nasties.  DC does it three or four times a year.  I have a couple sets of
bike tires to get rid of the next time the disposal day rolls around.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F

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> Jiffy lube takes it.... but only paraffin or asphalt based
(dino-squeezins)
> oil, no synth, no mineral, solvents etc...  it's recycled into grade B,
> which I believe is used by industry for surface lubricants on production
> machinery. (don't quote me on that)
>
> The Auto Zone takes batts
>
> Fairfax Country Fire training center used to take solvents, paint and all
> that stuff.
>
> rags -- wrap them around a wooden club, ignite and use on Hallo weenie
night
>
>
>


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I dunno, the Washington Post has never failed me in ridding myself of
surplus vehicles.  MC ads are not very expensive and I got calls the first
day the ad ran.  Spring (especially during the first warm spell, like right
now) is a great time since everyone has an itch to get a bike.

The Washington City Paper will run your ad for free for one week.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
www.wilsonline.org
Join the VFR750 list >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ulrich Boser" <ulrichboser@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/14/02


> I am still looking to sell my honda nighthawk. This
> sell on consignment sounds good - "Razz man" could you
> tell more abt this Motorcycle factory? I dont have
> your email.
>
> Or anyone else know abt this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ulrich
> ulrich@XXXXXX
>
> X-Originating-IP: [64.241.204.165]
> From: "Razz Man"
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Selling My 99 ZX9R
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:05:38 -0500
> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2002 15:05:38.0624 (UTC)
> FILETIME=[B37A8400:01C1CB69]
>
> I've made the painful decision to sell my beloved
> steed. After deciding that
> it'll be at least another year or two before I can
> "pleasure ride" due to
> the construction of my new recording studio and the
> clients already booked
> after completion, the bike's on the market.
>
> *Green/Purple all factory services performed on
> schedule
> *Anal about maintaining and cleaning/dusting
> *Never dropped
> *Tank bra
> *Custom Kawasaki Seat cover (looks like a continuation
> of the paint
> scheme)
> *BT56SS Front/rear
> *Scorpio alarm with pager
> *HJC Green/purple leather jacket included
> *HJC Green/purple Helmet included
> $7500.00
>
> I'm gonna take it to Motorcycle Factory next week to
> sell on consignment so
> this would be a good week to respond if interested.
>
> Razz
>
> 99 ZX9R (for now)
> 89 LTD454
> 86 LTD454
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage
> http://sports.yahoo.com/
>


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From: "Daniel H. Brown" <brown@XXXXXX>
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Here's info on Arlington County's programs:

http://www.co.arlington.va.us/des/wpcp/hhwaste.htm



On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Paul Wilson wrote:

> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:11:59 -0500
> From: Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Waste Oil Disposal
> 
> Most municipalities have household hazardous waste days where you can get
> rid of used oil, old paint, solvents, tires and all your other accumulated
> nasties.  DC does it three or four times a year.  I have a couple sets of
> bike tires to get rid of the next time the disposal day rolls around.
> 
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruhl, George LT" <GBruhl@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:06 AM
> Subject: Waste Oil Disposal
> 
> 
> > Jiffy lube takes it.... but only paraffin or asphalt based
> (dino-squeezins)
> > oil, no synth, no mineral, solvents etc...  it's recycled into grade B,
> > which I believe is used by industry for surface lubricants on production
> > machinery. (don't quote me on that)
> >
> > The Auto Zone takes batts
> >
> > Fairfax Country Fire training center used to take solvents, paint and all
> > that stuff.
> >
> > rags -- wrap them around a wooden club, ignite and use on Hallo weenie
> night
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

--
Dan Brown 
brown@XXXXXX


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From: Fish Flowers <fish@XXXXXX>
To: DC-Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Freestate Cycle and The Motorcycle Shop
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Acting on the assumption that for every clueless newbie who posts to a
mailing list there are three clueless newbies who didn't post, I'll just
briefly mention my impressions of Freestate Cycle and The Motorcycle Shop.

Took off work early yesterday to go helmet and jacket-hunting... First
stop, Freestate Cycle, which on the phone said they had both Arai helmets
and Gericke jackets in stock. (According to Gericke, Freestate is their
largest retailer in the area.) It's a bit out of my way, but *shrug*.

Lies! Baseless, shameless lies! Freestate Cycle has not a single Gericke
jacket in stock, will not order them so's you can try them on, and their
Arai selection is piss-poor. (No smalls of any helmet, no Renegades or
RX-7RRs of any size.) Since I'm trying to figure out if I should be
wearing a small, medium, or large, it'd help if I could try them all on.

Oh, and their sales staff were surly and unresponsive. Oh well -- perhaps
they were just having a bad day. I've had bad days, so I won't hold it
against them. But anyway, to me it wasn't worth the extra trip.

So! On to The Motorcycle Shop/The Dirt Shop, which I've looked for before
but couldn't find because it's just teensy-weensy and hard to see from my
cage. Apparently they were recently broken into, and all of their Arais
were stolen :(, so nothing to try on there either. I asked after some
HJCs, but they didn't have many out front and weren't particularly excited
about looking for others in the back for me. Alas. But they were friendly
enough, and helpful enough with what they had in the front of the shop.

So, a fruitless day of driving in circles. Today or tomorrow I hope to
check out Bob's BMW in Jessup; perhaps they can help fit me to a helmet.

If not, it looks like I'll have to resort to Internet shopping. What a
pain.

Fish.
-- 
Eine halbe Tasse Staubzucker, Ein Viertel Teeloffel Salz, Eine
Messerspitze turkisches Haschisch, Ein halbes Pfund Butter, Ein Teeloffel
Vanillenzucker, Ein halbes Pfund Mehl, Einhundertfunfzig Gramm gemahlene
Nusse, Ein wenig extra Staubzucker... und keine Eier.


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Don't despair!  Try Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg.  I always
got treated pretty decently there.  Since I live in NoVa, I haven't been
there recently so I can't say what their selection is like these days, but
it was pretty good when I last visited.
http://www.cadcycles.com/
If you do end doing the Internet thing, call Roach at www.speedwerks.com
he's got great prices.  If you don't want to drive to the shop in Delaware,
you can use their local fitting center, it's called Coleman's :)
Cedric
2000 CBR600F4

If not, it looks like I'll have to resort to Internet shopping. What a
pain.

Fish.
-- 
Eine halbe Tasse Staubzucker, Ein Viertel Teeloffel Salz, Eine
Messerspitze turkisches Haschisch, Ein halbes Pfund Butter, Ein Teeloffel
Vanillenzucker, Ein halbes Pfund Mehl, Einhundertfunfzig Gramm gemahlene
Nusse, Ein wenig extra Staubzucker... und keine Eier.

Umm...Gesundeheit?

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I know no one likes to say it but, Coleman's usually has a decent selection of helmets to try on.  And, they'll go in the back and look for you.  

Cycle Sport has also been very helpful evertimg I've gone in accessory shopping.  Smaller selection but, decent.

I just purchased an Arai Rx-7RR from RKA Luggage online (they're having a sale) but, I went to Coleman's first to try it on.  The sales guy was helpful and recommended a couple other helmets when he couldn't find my size in the one I wanted.  I tried on the others for sizing and then left.  I've discovered I wear a small in Shoei's and a medium in Arai's.  

You're welcome to swing by my place one day and try on my helmets.  I've got a Nolan N100, Shoie R700 and teh Arai.  I've only worn it a couple times so, it's not fully broken in to my head shape yet.

Scooter

In a message dated Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:06:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, Fish Flowers <fish@XXXXXX> writes:

> Acting on the assumption that for every clueless newbie who posts to a
> mailing list there are three clueless newbies who didn't post, I'll just
> briefly mention my impressions of Freestate Cycle and The Motorcycle Shop.
> 
> Took off work early yesterday to go helmet and jacket-hunting... First
> stop, Freestate Cycle, which on the phone said they had both Arai helmets
> and Gericke jackets in stock. (According to Gericke, Freestate is their
> largest retailer in the area.) It's a bit out of my way, but *shrug*.
> 
> Lies! Baseless, shameless lies! Freestate Cycle has not a single Gericke
> jacket in stock, will not order them so's you can try them on, and their
> Arai selection is piss-poor. (No smalls of any helmet, no Renegades or
> RX-7RRs of any size.) Since I'm trying to figure out if I should be
> wearing a small, medium, or large, it'd help if I could try them all on.
> 
> Oh, and their sales staff were surly and unresponsive. Oh well -- perhaps
> they were just having a bad day. I've had bad days, so I won't hold it
> against them. But anyway, to me it wasn't worth the extra trip.
> 
> So! On to The Motorcycle Shop/The Dirt Shop, which I've looked for before
> but couldn't find because it's just teensy-weensy and hard to see from my
> cage. Apparently they were recently broken into, and all of their Arais
> were stolen :(, so nothing to try on there either. I asked after some
> HJCs, but they didn't have many out front and weren't particularly excited
> about looking for others in the back for me. Alas. But they were friendly
> enough, and helpful enough with what they had in the front of the shop.
> 
> So, a fruitless day of driving in circles. Today or tomorrow I hope to
> check out Bob's BMW in Jessup; perhaps they can help fit me to a helmet.
> 
> If not, it looks like I'll have to resort to Internet shopping. What a
> pain.
> 
> Fish.
> -- 
> Eine halbe Tasse Staubzucker, Ein Viertel Teeloffel Salz, Eine
> Messerspitze turkisches Haschisch, Ein halbes Pfund Butter, Ein Teeloffel
> Vanillenzucker, Ein halbes Pfund Mehl, Einhundertfunfzig Gramm gemahlene
> Nusse, Ein wenig extra Staubzucker... und keine Eier.



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How much luck have people had negotiating with local shops when buying a new
or used bike?  
When I got my first bike used at Herndon Cycle Sport  I was only able to
talk my way to 15% off accessories instead of the usual 10%.  The couple of
guys I knew that had bikes at that time, both said there wasn't much
negotiation in their deals.  

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In a message dated 3/15/2002 8:43:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
bhuson@XXXXXX writes:

> Folks have been known
>  to get a *rush* just from sniffing the exhaust fumes!

Man don't get me near a two cycle running castor oil. (Not a true high, it's 
more of a Pavlovian reaction.) Everyone ran the stuff when I started racing 
motocross. Makes me want to GO! (ran some left over gas/bean oil mix in my 
street bike once, it's a wonder I didn't get busted!)

Guy in the shop I first worked at made extra money building drag racers for a 
slightly shady local character. Put a high dollar 18 pound aluminum frame on 
a fuel burning holy shit racing bike once. The kid that rode it was sitting 
on it while it was running in the garage where he kept it, the kid passed out 
from the fumes, fell off the bike, let go of the clutch (or hit the shifter) 
as he fell, the bike lurched forward into a car, bounced off, ran back into 
the car again....  BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM. destroyed the brand new, never been 
ridden frame.
True story.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European 
      is now necessary {and I still like it.})
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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How much luck have people had negotiating with local shops when 
buying a new or used bike?  

  <DJY>  Zero - I've never had a new bike or bought used from a 
dealer.  Many moons ago, when I 1st joined DCC, there were weekly 
Coleman rants, and there weren't a whole lot of shops around...  I 
had already been doing business with Coleman, but found a dealer 
closer to home...  They were still closer to work, and I eventually 
soured on them for service work that was a bit more expensive than I 
was initially told...  What does this have to do with your 
question ?  GFQ...  I was going to point out it's good to pick a shop 
& stick with it...  Shops are more willing to work with a loyal 
customer (even a hard@$$ like me) if you're a repeat, loyal and well 
paying consumer ;-)  OTOH, rarely do sales & service types sit down 
for a beer & opine about 'what a great customer Mr. Smith is...'...


When I got my first bike used at Herndon Cycle Sport  I was only able 
to talk my way to 15% off accessories instead of the usual 10%.  The 
couple of guys I knew that had bikes at that time, both said there 
wasn't much negotiation in their deals.  

   <DJY>  Bikes don't generate the same profit margin as cages.  Not 
as much demand.  Everyone employed by the dealer is getting paid, and 
it's all amortized into the profit they make on your bike...  Another 
reason is the market - high demand vehicles will sell...  Go to the 
dealer & pick out a shiny black HD F150, and expect to pay close to 
the sticker price and like it.  Ditto a Corvette (unless you get one 
of the "letter" plans)...  OTOH, if you are looking at several types 
of machine, say 'heavy weight v twin cruiser', well, then, that 
changes things a little.  You've got a boat load of choices and, 
since you have choices, you've got more bargaining power.

HTH

Dave    


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On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:

> I know no one likes to say it but, Coleman's usually has a decent
> selection of helmets to try on.  And, they'll go in the back and look
> for you.
> 
> Cycle Sport has also been very helpful evertimg I've gone in accessory
> shopping.  Smaller selection but, decent.

Thanks for the suggestions... I'll check them out. It sounds like the
Internet might be the best way to get a good price, but only if you know
your size...

And Cedric wrote:

> Don't despair!  Try Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg.

OK, I'll look them up...

> If you do end doing the Internet thing, call Roach at
> www.speedwerks.com

You know, I keep trying to make my phone dial www.speedwerks.com, but it
keeps telling me it can't find the number... <grin, duck, run>

> Umm...Gesundeheit?

Thanks. It's an, um, recipe. In German. Best not to inquire too deeply...

Fish.
from a tool song


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Snipped from SabMag and going to a Bike Mag far away:
Too good not to share:
For context, Tim has a 750 Interceptor that had a 1000R engine. 
Carl in Bethesda

Tim Cameron 
Subject: 'The Adventures of Rod-man' Part 1 
Hi all 
As threatened earlier, here's a write-up about my encounter with a V-Rod
earlier today. There's a minor mention of a V4 in the middle but that's
pretty much it on Sabmag content. Hope you enjoy it anyway. 
 
There's a small country town in the state of Victoria in Australia about a
thousand k's south of here called Kerrang. Nice place. I was reminded of
Kerrang, the first time I rolled the V-Rod into a corner up at my favourite
twisty road -the Old Pacific Highway- this very afternoon. Why? Well,
because that's the sound the V-Rod made every time its hardware hit the deck
- Kerrrraaaannnggggg!!!! 
Earlier in the day I got thrown the keys to the V-Rod. After being told
about the self-arming alarm system with the aid of chalkboard, overhead
projector and short video conference call to Stephen Hawking,  I was ready
to hit it.
 
So there we are cruising the streets on the coolest motorcycle ever built. I
decide to take a lap of honour throught the centre of Sydney before heading
up the Old Pacific Highway for a thrash through the twisty stuff. I've heard
the V-Rod is well up to it and am keen to find out for myself. 
Around town, it's all a bit surreal. The engine is magnificently smooth and
silky but yank on the chain, and you'll discover it has a kick like a
hammerthrower's handbag. The bike stretches out in front of me for what
seems like a postcode or two. People stop and stare as I pass - a picture of
21st century monied badness. And to be sure, it's a real eyeful. Wherever I
stopped, people gathered around the bike - it could go to your head I'm
sure....
 
And then it hits me. The IdeaTM. OK, we've all seen shows like Nightrider
and Viper. A good guy kicking bad guy arse with the aid of a bitchin' ride,
so why not go there on two wheels? - I give you a new hero for a new
century:
 
Rod-man! 
Yes! A crimefighter with the rugged looks of Mickey Rourke, the charm of Ed
and the hair-triggered rage of a Morian Cave Troll.
 
Saddled up on his extremely trick, Screamin' Chicken customised V-Rod,
Rod-man takes care of business. When Kit or the Viper are all fucked up due
to rush-hour gridlock, Rod-man could take the initiative and LANE SPLIT that
motherfucker in hot pursuit of his evil-doin' scumbag. Allll - right!!!!
 
And speakin' of scumbags Rod-man could take down some REAL wrong doers. Now
I'm not talking yer average misguided young hoodlum with a house full of
stolen DVD players, I'm talking the REAL scum that needs to come off the
streets. How about High Court Judges/pedaphiles, jingo-istic politicians and
annoying radio personalities As the ratings soared, Rod-man's weekly hit
list could be extended to include: TV journalists, bike thieves, marketing
consultants and boy bands. Oh and anyone associated with 'Big Brother'. Yeah
bay-bay!
 
Of course there could be a downside. As mentioned earlier, due to the
V-Rod's lousy ground clearance, I can see very little crime fighting
occurring on the Old Pacific Highway, through the Royal National Park or
indeed much of rural Victoria...
 
So, what did I really think of the Rod? Well, to start it has the most
stonking engine I've ever had the pleasure of hitting a rev limiter with. It
makes power from zero, and pulls like a freight train through to 8 with an
induction roar just like a Porsche (funny that). Of course every time you
change gear, you are also reminded of the name on the tank. Ku-lunk! But
that's a minor matter. Hell, it even has a hydraulic clutch - just like a
V4!
 
The ergos are odd coming straight off a Jap bike. High and wide bars, way
forward controls, low, low seat with all your weight on the very base of
your spine. The suspension is a great balance of bump absorption and chassis
control. Only once did I get a glimpse of just how much was being taken care
of by the suspension and frame.  I touched down particularly hard due to a
dip in the road on a right hander and the whole bike gave a single, gigantic
lurch front to back - a clear warning I was pushing my luck. It worked. The
forks had a little stiction but that's probably because they are so bloody
raked back! All in all a comfortable place to be, and yet... the V-Rod is
bit of a rolling contradiction.
 
On the one hand, it will take you to the twisties and teleport you (just
like a good jap sportsbike) towards your first tight corner at warp speed.
Once there however, and at the slightest hint of 'pushing on',  you'll be
met by scraping hardware contacting the road so hard as to make you
seriously start planning entry speeds before committing to anything tight.
 
It's bad man, and like I said it's not as if the rest of the bike isn't
going to handle it - powerful brakes, modern, sticky rubber and of course
that bloody awe inspiring engine. The only other limit is the tiny tank and
huge thirst the beast exhibits. I filled the tiny under-seat tank up twice
in 200 ks! (140miles).
 
I guess the V-Rod is unfortunately a bit like any other Harley - great in a
straight line. And yet, I can't help thinking of the possibilities. It
wouldn't take that much - jack the back end up and fit new mufflers to gain
a couple of inches, and it could transform the bike. Better still, unbolt
the motor and freight it directly to Mr E. Buell posthaste, I say, for
stuffing into a real sports frame.
 
Today was a good day and I sign off now to dream of talking cars and
scraping metal.
 
Good night!  
Tim Cameron
Sydney, Australia
'83 VF750FD Interceptor "The Gimp"
'00 Yamaha SRX 600 'SRX and the City'
3D shite: http://www.timcamerondesign.com.au/tcdgallery.html
V4 shite: http://www.timcamerondesign.com.au/vpage.htm 
------------------------------ 

Date:    Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:00:05 +1100 <-- a note from the future
From:    Tim Cameron <tcdesign@XXXXXX>
Subject: Rod-man Postscript 
Forgot to mention it in last report. 
When I was out and about on the V-Rod yesterday, I made it a point to wave
to every guy on a jap bike I saw whilst out on the road - I got a *lot* of
waves and nods back which was great and a few *boooiiinnngg* cartoon-style
head tilt double takes too! :) 
 
I mentioned this to the blokes back at the mag, who were singularly
unimpressed. Hah! Just doing my bit for the cause.
 
 
Tim Cameron
Sydney, Australia
'83 VF750FD Interceptor + "Lazarus" Motor = "The Gimp"
'00 Yamaha SRX 600 'SRX and the City'
3D shite: http://www.timcamerondesign.com.au/tcdgallery.html
V4 shite: http://www.timcamerondesign.com.au/vpage.htm
 

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I get rid of old gas, even 2-stroke mix, by putting it in my truck.  Diluting one gallon of bad gas in 20-gal. of good gas has no noticeable effect on the truck.

Oil I turn in to the local service station.

Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
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>Since I seem to have open containers of flammable waste on the brain now, 
>what are the options available for getting rid of such stuff anyway, and 
>the costs, if any.
>
>I know that there are service stations that will accept used oil, but are 
>they required to, and what are they allowed to charge for doing so?
>
>Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my own interesting 
>collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a 
>cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the 
>proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me? Inquiring minds want to know. 
>(I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them quite spectacular, but 
>I digress.)
>
>I live in Arlington, BTW, if that matters.
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>

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
>Nope.  But mid-April we'll be racing in NC.  We use a fuel checker since
>*smoke* additives are prohibited in Stock classes.  All that does is improve
>the chemical knowledge and skills of the boat racers.   Folks have been known
>to get a *rush* just from sniffing the exhaust fumes!


Is that the consolation prize for being last across the finish line?

Chris Norloff


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		All,

		I was wondering is I could get some advice on the Power
Commander II product.  I own a 2000 VFR800 (49 state) and want to get a
little more performance from the bike - especially in the mid-range where I
understand Honda flattens things out to meet EPA guidelines. 

		I'm getting ready to add a Micron CF high mount and am
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		My concerns (after a quick archive search) is that some
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a PC III, but do not show it as an option for the VFR - does anyone know if
it is available for the 2000 model?

		Any and all input will be appreciated.  Please cc
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>
>Sucks for them...god, I can't wait to get them out of there. I think I"ll 
>have to have a party to celebrate.


yeah, just make sure there are a lot of NO SMOKING signs <g>


1999 VFR 800
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"Ever wonder why, when gazing upon a statue of Alexander the Great 
astride his warhorse, or General Lee upon Traveller, why saddlemakers 
never thought to get a couple two-by-fours and stick the stirrups out 
around the horse's chin? Because it would be stupid, that's why. But 
that's exactly the seating position enforced by all the performance 
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Hi all
 
A newbie to this group, last year I brought a new R1150RT.  I have 
used it every day, and in England that means snow, rain etc...
What I want to know....and before you all shout....'it's a tourer!!'.  
Is there a simple way to increase the power, ever so slightly. (put it 
in small letters so the old gits can't read it). :-)
On a serious note though.  I have added all the gizmos that the 
factory can fit, including Autocom, I've also added a socket in the 
top box to take my mobile when I'm on business, but what I'd like is a 
bracket to set up in front of me that I can plug the mobile into.  I 
have two reasons for this, firstly I sometimes travel to Germany or 
north of England and would like the phone to charge on the way as 
people are always calling.  Secondly, my phone supports hands free, 
which is great when you shout out someone's name and it calls them, 
however, when you have finished the call I have to get off the bike, 
open the box and press cancel.
 
Anyway, if anyone has any tips or tweaks for the RT let me know 
because I am interested.(thinking of GPS next).
 
PS, a small pic of my bike here www.tyleruk.com/bikes.htm
 
Si...
 
www.tyleruk.com


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Dear friends, 

This is goodbye, sort of.

Tonight, after more than 7 years, I am leaving Washington and the US. With a short detour through Australia I'm heading home to Israel and though I have no complaints about the stay here, I'm  happy to go home. And yes, the BMW has been sold :).

I want thank everyone here at DC-Cycles for greatly enhancing the Washington experience. This is truly a fascinating group of very different individuals, many of which I consider good friends.

I'm going to lurk with digest mode for awhile and hopefully keep up with things.

Thanks: Many of you deserve lots of thanks, for helping, for teaching, for sharing your knowledge and time, and for being friends. Special thanks go out Lisa and Jay who are helping me get the bike to its new owner, and have let me abuse their Whore on several occasions. I'm not going to try to mention everyone else I need to thank. You know who you are.

Good luck to all the racers, the wannabe's, the Iron Butts, the gurus, and everyone else here.

Niv

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Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage
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<P>Dear friends, </P>
<P>This is goodbye, sort of.</P>
<P>Tonight, after more than 7 years, I am leaving Washington and the US. With a short detour through Australia I'm heading home to Israel and though I have no complaints about the stay here, I'm&nbsp; happy to go home. And yes, the BMW has been sold :).</P>
<P>I want thank everyone here at DC-Cycles for greatly enhancing the Washington experience. This is truly a fascinating group of very different individuals, many of which I consider good friends.</P>
<P>I'm going to lurk with digest mode for awhile and hopefully keep up with things.</P>
<P>Thanks: Many of you deserve lots of thanks, for helping, for teaching, for sharing your knowledge and time, and for being friends. Special thanks go out Lisa and Jay who are helping me get the bike to its new owner, and have let me abuse their Whore on several occasions. I'm not going to try to mention everyone else I need to thank. You know who you are.</P>
<P>Good luck to all the racers, the wannabe's, the Iron Butts, the gurus, and everyone else here.</P>
<P>Niv</P>
<P>Used to have a BMW F650ST</P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
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> Today or tomorrow I hope to
> check out Bob's BMW in Jessup; perhaps they can help fit me to a helmet.
> 

I happen to have a WWI Doeboy helmet, size 6 3/4 that is for sale.

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> Not only do they drive on the wrong side of the road, but they have 
> some really crazy roundabouts as well.
> 

http://home.netvigator.com/~jksmurf/English_Roundabout.htm





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Hi all

A newbie to this group, last year I brought a new R1150RT.  I have
used it every day, and in England that means snow, rain etc...

	<DJY>  Welcome Simon.  I have a shooting buddy who's German shepherd is
named Simon ;-)


What I want to know....and before you all shout....'it's a tourer!!'.
Is there a simple way to increase the power, ever so slightly. (put it
in small letters so the old gits can't read it). :-)


	<DJY>  Hmm...  that's a tough one...  Not a lot of oil heads here..  I
think you're relegated to pipe & pcm (chip/program) updates... before
you reach 'diminishing returns' in horsepower.


On a serious note though.  I have added all the gizmos that the
factory can fit, including Autocom, I've also added a socket in the
top box to take my mobile when I'm on business, but what I'd like is a
bracket to set up in front of me that I can plug the mobile into.



	<DJY>  Mobile?  Mobile what?  You mean one of those things that our
parents hung over our cribs & spun around ?  That kind of mobile ? ;-)


  I have two reasons for this, firstly I sometimes travel to Germany or
north of England and would like the phone to charge on the way as
people are always calling.  Secondly, my phone supports hands free,
which is great when you shout out someone's name and it calls them,
however, when you have finished the call I have to get off the bike,
open the box and press cancel.


	<DJY>  Here's where we're going to part company, Simon.
	<rant>
		We've got enough fookin' problems ridin' around DC with the BDC's
(that's Brain Dead Cagers) yakking away on their cell phones whilst
piloting their current uber-sport-utility vehicle, not giving a rats
arse where they're headed, who they cut off in traffic or what make of
bike they just crushed.  I'm oncall 24/7, and regardless of what vehicle
I'm piloting, there's no call that can't wait until I reach my
destination.  BUT, when I'm on my bike, It would be   H E R E S Y  to
even consider taking a call.  That's why manufacturers of riding suits
came up with pockets - that, and for my snub .357 - some place to stuff
your phone until the business at hand is taken care of.  Riding is what
people who carry pagers might refer to as 'Quiet time' - won't even
ring.  And if it does, it'll keep until the Apexing is through.
	</rant>



Anyway, if anyone has any tips or tweaks for the RT let me know
because I am interested.(thinking of GPS next).

	<DJY>  Depending on what type of GPS you have, you could get a hand
held, like the eMap from Garmin & velcro it to a tank cover.  You can
then run power cords straight to the battery...  The LCD is easily
washed out in sunlight though, so spend  a few minutes to make sure you
can actually see it at a glance...


HTH

Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


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At 10:21 AM 3/15/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Don't despair!  Try Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg.  I always
>got treated pretty decently there.  Since I live in NoVa, I haven't been
>there recently so I can't say what their selection is like these days, but
>it was pretty good when I last visited.
>http://www.cadcycles.com/
>If you do end doing the Internet thing, call Roach at www.speedwerks.com
>he's got great prices.  If you don't want to drive to the shop in Delaware,
>you can use their local fitting center, it's called Coleman's :)
>Cedric

I went to Cycles USA on Georgia Avenue today on my lunch hour to check out
boots.  They have a good selection of helmets, jackets, boots, tank bags,
etc. and the sales girl is a real looker  :-)  Young and blond with a small
shirt  :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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Wayne Edelen wrote:

> At 10:21 AM 3/15/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Don't despair!  Try Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg.  I always
> >got treated pretty decently there.  Since I live in NoVa, I haven't been
> >there recently so I can't say what their selection is like these days, but
> >it was pretty good when I last visited.
> >http://www.cadcycles.com/
> >If you do end doing the Internet thing, call Roach at www.speedwerks.com
> >he's got great prices.  If you don't want to drive to the shop in Delaware,
> >you can use their local fitting center, it's called Coleman's :)
> >Cedric
>
> I went to Cycles USA on Georgia Avenue today on my lunch hour to check out
> boots.  They have a good selection of helmets, jackets, boots, tank bags,
> etc. and the sales girl is a real looker  :-)  Young and blond with a small
> shirt  :-)

The small shirt only counts if it's a *too* small shirt.

Perv-Bill


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From: RichH@XXXXXX
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Subject: Negotiating with local shops
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:38:03 -0500

How much luck have people had negotiating with local shops when buying a new
or used bike?
When I got my first bike used at Herndon Cycle Sport  I was only able to
talk my way to 15% off accessories instead of the usual 10%.  The couple of
guys I knew that had bikes at that time, both said there wasn't much
negotiation in their deals.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
First off, if you can swing it, buy your new bike for CA$H!

I know most people just want it when they want it and are SO ready to deal
their credit away to get it.  I sold motorcycles for a summer and witnessed
many 21-25 %'ers.  That was the rate they could get just to ride and they
usually financed the entire purchase....including accessories!

It's not a matter of luck.  There is a price the dealer is willing to accept
on any model.  Some are lower than others due to the lack of popularity and
the interest of the dealer to get it off the floor.  Some models the dealer
won't budge on because they know it will move fast.  But in ALL cases, if
you do your research and bring in a wad of cash, the buying experience is OH
so sweet.  Forget about discounts on accessories (especially if you are a
21-25 %'er...do the math.  Even at a 15% discount your losing money).  If
the price of the accessories you want don't fit your idea of a good deal, go
elsewhere.

I'm sorry if this doesn't help.  But honestly, seeking discounts while
willing to finance the transaction only makes nominal sense and from a
dealers perspective, even though they will benefit from the higher return
(high finance rates) they still have to wait for their money.  There is no
real big incentive to the dealer in this case.  Bring them cash (or another
easily liquidated note) and they will be very helpful.  And with the money
you save on a new bike, accessory costs won't (maybe) be such a high
concern.

Of course, all this being said it doesn't hurt to ask for a discount.  In
fact this is a good practice on purchases via mail order too.  I just did
this the other day while ordering tires and some gaskets from an NC dealer
and got a whopping $55 discount from my total order.  And all I did was ask!

Todd (Springfield, VA)


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From: "JONATHAN DAVIS" <JONATHAN.DAVIS@XXXXXX>
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i'm about 100% sure that only the pc-2 is available for the pre-2002 models.  i'm pleased with the one on my '98, although i did have to spend another $200 to have a custom map done.  j.davis 

>>> "Ledford, Calvin" cledford@XXXXXX> 03/15/02 01:24PM >>
All,

I was wondering is I could get some advice on the Power
Commander II product.  I own a 2000 VFR800 (49 state) and want to get a little more performance from the bike - especially in the mid-range where I understand Honda flattens things out to meet EPA guidelines. 
        -Calvin Ledford


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Sean Jordan wrote:
> 
> "Ever wonder why, when gazing upon a statue of Alexander the Great
> astride his warhorse, or General Lee upon Traveller, why saddlemakers
> never thought to get a couple two-by-fours and stick the stirrups out
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<snicker>  I like it!

Dale
-- 
Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)

Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
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'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
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Scary, but way, way cool!  I love going to the UK and driving like a 
madman on the wrong side of the road.  Especially the B-roads lined with 
hedgerows.  Scares the s--t out of my wife! %^)  Gas it and go -- 
nothing is faster than a rental car!

Larry Meyer wrote:

>> Not only do they drive on the wrong side of the road, but they have 
>> some really crazy roundabouts as well.
>>
> 
> http://home.netvigator.com/~jksmurf/English_Roundabout.htm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




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I will echo Todd's comments.  The "deal" is in how much you can get the 
m/c itself for.  And that will largely be a function of:

1.  The market for that particular m/c.  i.e., If it's a high demand m/c 
with buyers lining up outside the door, don't expect much if any 
negotiating room.  OTOH, a m/c that isn't selling well and has been 
sitting on the showroom floor for quite a while might be had for a song. 
  Probably the only exception to this general rule of supply and demand 
might be some of the more exotic Italian m/c's.

2.  Warm weather or cold weather.  Always seems easier to negotiate in 
the cold of winter when not too many m/c's are moving off the showroom 
floor.  Also, there tend to be more "leftovers" from the previous model 
year (or sometimes even the year before) that the dealer wants to move 
to make room for new inventory.

3.  CASH (or the equivalent).  Greenbacks in hand let the dealer know 
you are serious and able to buy a m/c.  Ditto if you have your financing 
already in place from an external source.

And deals can always be had if you're willing to shop around, be 
persistent, and patient.  Even at the dealerships with a more "slimey" 
reputation.  FWIW, I bought my '93 GSXR used at Coleman for what I 
wanted to pay, not for what they were originally asking.  And it was a 
relatively hassle-free negotiation (probably didn't hurt that it was 
snowing outside).  I'm not necessarily recommending Coleman or even 
saying you would have a similar experience -- it's just a data point. 
And even a "deal" on a used m/c at a dealer is almost always going to be 
more than what you pay private party.

Discounts on accessories are a "sucker" deal.  For starters, most 
dealers do what's known as "keystone" mark-up, i.e., 100% of wholesale, 
as a way to cover their overhead costs.  This is standard full-retail 
pricing.  So a 10-15% discount ain't really that much.  Especially when 
you consider that you can get almost any accessory you want/need mail or 
web order for considerably less than what the dealer is willing to 
discount.  The only real "deals" I've ever seen on accessories at 
dealers are closeout items.  And even then, the prices are usually not 
too different than mail/web order -- but you get immediate gratification 
for buying it.

Now if you could the dealer to throw in for FREE a quality riding suit, 
helmet, boots, and gloves, then that would definitely qualify as a deal 
even if you paid full retail for the m/c! %^)

Chuck


> How much luck have people had negotiating with local shops when buying a new
> or used bike?
> When I got my first bike used at Herndon Cycle Sport  I was only able to
> talk my way to 15% off accessories instead of the usual 10%.  The couple of
> guys I knew that had bikes at that time, both said there wasn't much
> negotiation in their deals.




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What do you mean, wrong side of the road? you can talk!! :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Scary, but way, way cool!  I love going to the UK and driving like a 
> madman on the wrong side of the road.  Especially the B-roads lined 
with 
> hedgerows.  Scares the s--t out of my wife! %^)  Gas it and go -- 
> nothing is faster than a rental car!
> 
> Larry Meyer wrote:
> 
> >> Not only do they drive on the wrong side of the road, but they 
have 
> >> some really crazy roundabouts as well.
> >>

-- 


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What I like about the roundabouts is that traffic keeps moving, unlike in DC
where they insist on signalizing the traffic circles into a standstill.
That's a lesson in how to screw up a circle.  But, still few things are as
confusing as the "Jersey Jug Handle."

Paul in DC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck and Karen Pena" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>


> Scary, but way, way cool!  I love going to the UK and driving like a
> madman on the wrong side of the road.  Especially the B-roads lined with
> hedgerows.  Scares the s--t out of my wife! %^)  Gas it and go --
> nothing is faster than a rental car!
>
> Larry Meyer wrote:
>
> >> Not only do they drive on the wrong side of the road, but they have
> >> some really crazy roundabouts as well.
> >>
> >
> > http://home.netvigator.com/~jksmurf/English_Roundabout.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>



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Paul Pontificates

What I like about the roundabouts is that traffic keeps moving, unlike
in DC
where they insist on signalizing the traffic circles into a standstill.
That's a lesson in how to screw up a circle.  But, still few things are
as
confusing as the "Jersey Jug Handle."


	<DJY>  True, the NJ Jug handle, mug handle - whatever is pretty
silly...  NJ is also a state that LOVE their traffic circles.  What a
hideous, Charlie Foxtrot.  I went through 3 or 4 on the way to Long
Beach Island...  They were not faster than traffic lights.  much as I
hate to say it...


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At 10:57 AM 3/16/02 -0500, Todd Peer wrote:
>First off, if you can swing it, buy your new bike for CA$H!

To a dealer, it doesn't matter if you're paying cash or bringing a check
from your bank/lender of choice.

[...]
>I'm sorry if this doesn't help.  But honestly, seeking discounts while
>willing to finance the transaction only makes nominal sense and from a
>dealers perspective, even though they will benefit from the higher return
>(high finance rates) they still have to wait for their money.  There is no

Why does the dealer have to wait for their cash if you finance?  They
aren't financing your purchase, they're just accepting money from the
lender you chose (even if they arrange financing thru the manufacturer or a
local lender for you).

I paid cash for my 'Busa, but that didn't make any difference in my
negotiations.  If I had walked in with my financing arranged before
purchasing, the transaction would have been the same for the dealer.

>real big incentive to the dealer in this case.  Bring them cash (or another
>easily liquidated note) and they will be very helpful.  And with the money
>you save on a new bike, accessory costs won't (maybe) be such a high
>concern.
>
>Of course, all this being said it doesn't hurt to ask for a discount.  In
>fact this is a good practice on purchases via mail order too.  I just did
>this the other day while ordering tires and some gaskets from an NC dealer
>and got a whopping $55 discount from my total order.  And all I did was ask!

I agree 100%.  Always ask for a discount on any parts/cars.  I love buying
cars, since negotiating the sale price is 1/2 the fun!  I was out shopping
for a replacement for my Suburban yesterday.  :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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Wayne Edelen wrote:

> >I'm sorry if this doesn't help.  But honestly, seeking discounts while
> >willing to finance the transaction only makes nominal sense and from a
> >dealers perspective, even though they will benefit from the higher return
> >(high finance rates) they still have to wait for their money.  There is no
>
> Why does the dealer have to wait for their cash if you finance?  They
> aren't financing your purchase, they're just accepting money from the
> lender you chose (even if they arrange financing thru the manufacturer or a
> local lender for you).

Here's how it works, guys and gals.  The lender does remit the loan principal to
the dealer, but it gets better!  A dealer arrainges a finance package with a
lender so said dealer can close the deal and sell the bike/car/truck complete
with financing.   The dealer *buys* the loan at (for discussion purposes) 8%.
The dealer than sells you the loan at 12%!  Then the lender IMMEDIATLY kicks back
the actual dollar value betwixt a the 8% and 12%!!!  This is ready cash in the
dealers hands.

Trust me, that's how it works, did the same scam meself when selling boats,
learned it while selling cars.  How about those 0% deals!  Dealer prepays the
interest and tacks that cost on to the price of the vehicle.  You're still
paying.

Bill


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Hmmm . . . babblefish tells me your .sig recipe is:
====
A half cup dust sugar, one-quarter Teeloffel salt, a
knife tip turkisches Haschisch, a half pound of
butter, a Teeloffel vanilla sugar, a half pound of
flour, Einhundertfunfzig gram ground nuts, a little
extra dust sugar... and no eggs. 
=====

Mmmm . . . teeloffel salt . . . mmmmm . . . . and
Einhundertfunfzig gram ground nuts!

-Aaron

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> Not only do they drive on the wrong side of the road, but they have
> some really crazy roundabouts as well.
>
http://home.netvigator.com/~jksmurf/English_Roundabout.htm
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My Ex used to sell cars, both new and used....  I don't know about M/C's,
but she indicated that car sales, especially used car dealers were basically
selling the financing first and the vehicle as (get this) the "vehicle" for
the financing.

To the other responses on this string....  be not fooled... it's all
business.  However, loyal customers usually get the breaks on 2nd big ticket
purchases (i.e. another bike), discounts, trade in, credit (when repairs go
south) etc...  so there is leverage, but I wouldn't put too much weight on
it.

>To a dealer, it doesn't matter if you're paying cash or bringing a check
>from your bank/lender of choice.




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Reference: 99 VFR

I recently had to replace a dead battery.  Little did I know that it was
caused (I THINK) by other problems.

The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure the voltage at rest, its
right around 12.8 or a little higher.  When I turn the bike on and measure
voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- which is terrible.  I believe it
should be around 14.x or so... 13.8-14.2 or something like that.   So I've
got an undercharging condition which I believe COULD be the
regulator/rectifier.  Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I wanted to
know if there is a easy way to test the stator.  Any thoughts or guidance on
this very much appreciated.

Thanks!

Brian

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Reference: 99 VFR</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I recently had to replace a dead battery.&nbsp; =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure the =
voltage at rest, its right around 12.8 or a little higher.&nbsp; When I =
turn the bike on and measure voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- =
which is terrible.&nbsp; I believe it should be around 14.x or so... =
13.8-14.2 or something like that.&nbsp;&nbsp; So I've got an =
undercharging condition which I believe COULD be the =
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wanted to know if there is a easy way to test the stator.&nbsp; Any =
thoughts or guidance on this very much appreciated.</FONT></P>

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On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Aaron wrote:

> A half cup dust sugar, one-quarter Teeloffel salt, a knife tip
> turkisches Haschisch, a half pound of butter, a Teeloffel vanilla
> sugar, a half pound of flour, Einhundertfunfzig gram ground nuts, a
> little extra dust sugar... and no eggs.

It is very possible my transcription contains misspellings, as my grasp of
German is pretty vague, and the lyrics to the recipe are mostly mumbled.

So far as I can tell, "teeloffel" == "teaspoon", "Turkisches Haschisch" ==
"Turkish Hashish", and "Einhundertfunfzig" == "150".

Before everyone jumps down my throat for being a drug-abusing freak,
please note that I've never actually made this recipe, nor sampled
it. It's just a neat track on the album in question.

ObDCC: Is it usual to have huge bands of sportbikes charging madly about
DC on Friday nights? SWMBO and I went into the city and couldn't stop
laughing for the way the bikers were simply _everywhere_.

Fish.
look! another squid! and another! and another, and another, and ...


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At 09:58 AM 3/18/2002, ROBERSON, Brian wrote:

>Reference: 99 VFR
>
>I recently had to replace a dead battery.  Little did I know that it was 
>caused (I THINK) by other problems.
>
>The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure the voltage at rest, its 
>right around 12.8 or a little higher.  When I turn the bike on and measure 
>voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- which is terrible.  I believe it 
>should be around 14.x or so... 13.8-14.2 or something like that.   So I've 
>got an undercharging condition which I believe COULD be the 
>regulator/rectifier.  Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I wanted to 
>know if there is a easy way to test the stator.  Any thoughts or guidance 
>on this very much appreciated.

How many miles on the bike?  17k?  20k?

Do yourself a favor - just buy the RR.  I've seen it over and over and over 
again.  Its almost always the RR.



___________________________________________
     Mike Troutman
          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

         1997 Honda VFR 750
         AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA

         32k and one new RR so far.....



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Oh, good one, 14,500 miles... Mostly highway.

brian

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At 09:58 AM 3/18/2002, ROBERSON, Brian wrote:

>Reference: 99 VFR
>
>I recently had to replace a dead battery.  Little did I know that it 
>was
>caused (I THINK) by other problems.
>
>The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure the voltage at rest, 
>its
>right around 12.8 or a little higher.  When I turn the bike on and measure 
>voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- which is terrible.  I believe it 
>should be around 14.x or so... 13.8-14.2 or something like that.   So I've 
>got an undercharging condition which I believe COULD be the 
>regulator/rectifier.  Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I wanted to 
>know if there is a easy way to test the stator.  Any thoughts or guidance 
>on this very much appreciated.

How many miles on the bike?  17k?  20k?

Do yourself a favor - just buy the RR.  I've seen it over and over and over 
again.  Its almost always the RR.



___________________________________________
     Mike Troutman
          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

         1997 Honda VFR 750
         AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA

         32k and one new RR so far.....


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Oh, good one, 14,500 miles... Mostly highway.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>brian</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Troutman [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:mike@XXXXXX">mailto:mike@XXXXXX</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:08 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: 'DC Cycles List'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Help diagnosing charging problem on 99 =
VFR</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At 09:58 AM 3/18/2002, ROBERSON, Brian wrote:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Reference: 99 VFR</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I recently had to replace a dead battery.&nbsp; =
Little did I know that it </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;caused (I THINK) by other problems.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;The new battery is fully charged.. When I =
measure the voltage at rest, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;its</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;right around 12.8 or a little higher.&nbsp; When =
I turn the bike on and measure </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- which is =
terrible.&nbsp; I believe it </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;should be around 14.x or so... 13.8-14.2 or =
something like that.&nbsp;&nbsp; So I've </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;got an undercharging condition which I believe =
COULD be the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;regulator/rectifier.&nbsp; Before plunking down =
$150 for a new R/R, I wanted to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;know if there is a easy way to test the =
stator.&nbsp; Any thoughts or guidance </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;on this very much appreciated.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>How many miles on the bike?&nbsp; 17k?&nbsp; =
20k?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Do yourself a favor - just buy the RR.&nbsp; I've =
seen it over and over and over </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>again.&nbsp; Its almost always the RR.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>___________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mike Troutman</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.troutman.org/vfr" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.troutman.org/vfr</A></FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1997 =
Honda VFR 750</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AMA =
~=3D~ NMA ~=3D~ NRA</FONT>
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On Monday 18 March 2002 09:58, ROBERSON, Brian wrote:

> Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I wanted to
> know if there is a easy way to test the stator.  Any thoughts or guidance
> on this very much appreciated.

Do you have the service manual? If not... someone on the list prob does. You 
can test the output of the RR with a volt meter, the manual will tell you 
what you should see.

But as Mike says... it's prob not necessary. VFRs seem to eat RRs, and almost 
everyone I know that's had one for a long time has had to replace it. There's 
simply not much that can go wrong with the stator.

- Roach

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Brian, the Service Manual outlines the procedure for measuring the voltage
and the spec. values at a certain RPM.  In short, the battery doesn't
receive charge at idle.  At idle the bike is actually drawing down the
battery a bit, so it doesn't surprise me that the voltage dips.  If the
voltage isn't in the 14 V range at 5,000 RPM, then I'd say you've got a
problem.  Lower voltage at idle is not a problem.  Although VFR's do have a
reputation for charging systems going toes up, I'd test the voltage at
higher than idle before hitting the panic button.  :)  BTW, the best way to
test the battery's level of charge is not by voltage but by using a specific
gravity tester.  Only a damaged or severely discharged battery will register
low voltage.

Hope that helps,

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
www.wilsonline.org
Join the VFR750 list >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750
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Subject: Help diagnosing charging problem on 99 VFR


> Reference: 99 VFR
>
> I recently had to replace a dead battery.  Little did I know that it was
> caused (I THINK) by other problems.
>
> The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure the voltage at rest, its
> right around 12.8 or a little higher.  When I turn the bike on and measure
> voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- which is terrible.  I believe it
> should be around 14.x or so... 13.8-14.2 or something like that.   So I've
> got an undercharging condition which I believe COULD be the
> regulator/rectifier.  Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I wanted to
> know if there is a easy way to test the stator.  Any thoughts or guidance
on
> this very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brian
>


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Hi,
  VFR's eat R/R's, but it maybe a bigger problem.  You can download a 
trouble-shooting guide at http://www.electrexusa.com/.  Very helpful 
guide, and the guys there all also helpful.  

I owned a '87 VFR.  On our list ('86-87) alot of us had R/R problems. 
 Electrex knows the VFR well, it seems VFR (almost all years) have 
charging problems.  The  R/R dies, but it maybe alot deeper.  The 
"'86'-87" list had a automotive electrical designer trying to 
trouble-shoot and create a better R/R.  
I checked all over the place and noticed quite a few complaints of newer 
VFRs and R/Rs.  I sold my VFR before I heard any revelations.  Good luck.

Tom De. '98 VTR.


ROBERSON, Brian wrote:

> Reference: 99 VFR
>
> I recently had to replace a dead battery.  Little did I know that it 
> was caused (I THINK) by other problems.
>
> The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure the voltage at rest, 
> its right around 12.8 or a little higher.  When I turn the bike on and 
> measure voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- which is terrible.  I 
> believe it should be around 14.x or so... 13.8-14.2 or something like 
> that.   So I've got an undercharging condition which I believe COULD 
> be the regulator/rectifier.  Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, 
> I wanted to know if there is a easy way to test the stator.  Any 
> thoughts or guidance on this very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brian
>

-- 
Tom De Boeser					tom.deboeser@XXXXXX
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Hi,<br>
&nbsp; VFR's eat R/R's, but it maybe a bigger problem. &nbsp;You can download a trouble-shooting
guide at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.electrexusa.com/">http://www.electrexusa.com/</a>. &nbsp;Very helpful guide, and the guys there
all also helpful. &nbsp;<br>
<br>
I owned a '87 VFR. &nbsp;On our list ('86-87) alot of us had R/R problems. &nbsp;Electrex
knows the VFR well, it seems VFR (almost all years) have charging problems.
&nbsp;The &nbsp;R/R dies, but it maybe alot deeper. &nbsp;The "'86'-87" list had a automotive
electrical designer trying to trouble-shoot and create a better R/R. &nbsp;<br>
I checked all over the place and noticed quite a few complaints of newer
VFRs and R/Rs. &nbsp;I sold my VFR before I heard any revelations. &nbsp;Good luck.<br>
<br>
Tom De. '98 VTR.<br>
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  <p><font size="2">The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure the
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bike on and measure voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- which is terrible.&nbsp;
I believe it should be around 14.x or so... 13.8-14.2 or something like that.&nbsp;&nbsp;
So I've got an undercharging condition which I believe COULD be the regulator/rectifier.&nbsp;
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roach@XXXXXX writes:
>> Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I wanted to
>> know if there is a easy way to test the stator.  Any thoughts or
>guidance
>> on this very much appreciated.


Disconnect 3-wire (check manual) alternator connector. Set voltmeter to
something like 100v AC.  Test each pair of wires at around 5000
rpm---voltage should be about 50-75 volts.  If not, alternator problem; if
so r/r problem.

>
>
>Do you have the service manual? If not... someone on the list prob does.
>You 
>can test the output of the RR with a volt meter, the manual will tell you 
>what you should see.


Yes, test r/r too.

>
>But as Mike says... it's prob not necessary. VFRs seem to eat RRs, and
>almost 
>everyone I know that's had one for a long time has had to replace it.


That may be true with vfr, but certainly not with some others (e.g. Suzuki
GS).  "Measure twice, cut once."



> There's 
>simply not much that can go wrong with the stator.


Other than burning out/shorting.


--garcia


"We're lost, but we're making good time."



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Guys,

Thanks for the input.. I will follow up with the list after I've checked the
system over per your recommendations.  I'm torn between ordering the OEM
replacement and the Electrex unit.  I've heard terrible things about
Electrex units melting and going EVERYWHERE.  I know they come with a nice
warranty, but im still not sure of their quality.

Brian

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roach@XXXXXX writes:
>> Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I wanted to
>> know if there is a easy way to test the stator.  Any thoughts or
>guidance
>> on this very much appreciated.


Disconnect 3-wire (check manual) alternator connector. Set voltmeter to
something like 100v AC.  Test each pair of wires at around 5000
rpm---voltage should be about 50-75 volts.  If not, alternator problem; if
so r/r problem.

>
>
>Do you have the service manual? If not... someone on the list prob 
>does. You can test the output of the RR with a volt meter, the manual 
>will tell you what you should see.


Yes, test r/r too.

>
>But as Mike says... it's prob not necessary. VFRs seem to eat RRs, and
>almost 
>everyone I know that's had one for a long time has had to replace it.


That may be true with vfr, but certainly not with some others (e.g. Suzuki
GS).  "Measure twice, cut once."



> There's 
>simply not much that can go wrong with the stator.


Other than burning out/shorting.


--garcia


"We're lost, but we're making good time."


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Guys,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks for the input.. I will follow up with the list =
after I've checked the system over per your recommendations.&nbsp; I'm =
torn between ordering the OEM replacement and the Electrex unit.&nbsp; =
I've heard terrible things about Electrex units melting and going =
EVERYWHERE.&nbsp; I know they come with a nice warranty, but im still =
not sure of their quality.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: garcia oliver [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:garicao@XXXXXX">mailto:garicao@XXXXXX</A>] =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:14 AM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>roach@XXXXXX writes:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt; Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I =
wanted to</FONT>
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stator.&nbsp; Any thoughts or</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt; on this very much appreciated.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Disconnect 3-wire (check manual) alternator =
connector. Set voltmeter to something like 100v AC.&nbsp; Test each =
pair of wires at around 5000 rpm---voltage should be about 50-75 =
volts.&nbsp; If not, alternator problem; if so r/r problem.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Do you have the service manual? If not... =
someone on the list prob </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;does. You can test the output of the RR with a =
volt meter, the manual </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;will tell you what you should see.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yes, test r/r too.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;But as Mike says... it's prob not necessary. =
VFRs seem to eat RRs, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;almost </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;everyone I know that's had one for a long time =
has had to replace it.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>That may be true with vfr, but certainly not with =
some others (e.g. Suzuki</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>GS).&nbsp; &quot;Measure twice, cut =
once.&quot;</FONT>
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<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; There's </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;simply not much that can go wrong with the =
stator.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Other than burning out/shorting.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--garcia</FONT>
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At 11:21 AM 3/18/2002, ROBERSON, Brian wrote:
>Thanks for the input.. I will follow up with the list after I've checked 
>the system over per your recommendations.  I'm torn between ordering the 
>OEM replacement and the Electrex unit.  I've heard terrible things about 
>Electrex units melting and going EVERYWHERE.  I know they come with a nice 
>warranty, but im still not sure of their quality.

According to 'The List' 9 out of 10 Electrex units fail when replacing a 
burned out OEM RR.  Customer Service may be the best at Electrex, but the 
product doesn't seem to be perfected yet.




___________________________________________
     Mike Troutman
          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

         1997 Honda VFR 750
         AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
         Thinking maybe it is time to order my next RR.....



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> Guys,
>
> Thanks for the input.. I will follow up with the list after I've checked
the
> system over per your recommendations.  I'm torn between ordering the OEM
> replacement and the Electrex unit.  I've heard terrible things about
> Electrex units melting and going EVERYWHERE.  I know they come with a nice
> warranty, but im still not sure of their quality.
>
> Brian
>
I agree about running through the proper diagnostics procedures before
buying a rectifier/regulator.  Installing a new part may not solve the
problem (assuming you even have a problem in the first place) and just leave
your wallet considerably lighter.  BTDT.  There seems to be little doubt
that the OEM part is weak and prone to failure, but corroded harnesses and
poor conductivity at various connectors (including at the battery itself)
has also been identified as a possible culprit in the VFR.  It does tend to
explain why some bikes suffer repeated failures at short intervals, despite
replacing all the expensive bits.  Honda, in its infinite wisdom, elected to
route the primary charging circuits through multiple harnesses.  If any one
of them gets the slightest bit of corrosion, you've got problems.  Some
people have even gone to the extreme of direct wiring the reg/rect to the
battery.  There's lots of good info. on the Texas VFR Garage site.

http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/

Go direct to an excellent R/R troubleshooting guide:

http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/tech/rr-maintenance.htm

While fairly common, the failures are only reported in 13% of owners who
responded to a VFR list survey run by our own Mike Troutman.  Obviously this
is not a scientific sample, these data show that the problem is by no means
universal.  Knock on wood, but my VFR has 27K miles on it with no problems.

I'll shut up now since I'm probably boring the list with Vifferbabble.

Good luck,

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F .



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Help diagnosing charging problem on 99 VFRThis is probably RR problem, =
but there is pretty easy way to test your alternator(or whatever it is =
in Honda):

you need Voltmeter with AC range of about 100V

since this is 3-phase charging system,=20

1. Unplug regulator(all wires)
2. Start the bike(you need charged battery, since there will be no =
charging during this test)
3. Test voltage between each of the three phases (as in 1-2, 2-3, 1-3).  =
These are usually yellow wires that come from the engine.

I'm not sure what the actual voltage should be(it varies from bike to =
bike), however, look for this. =20
1.  All combinations should produce SAME(or really close) AC voltage at =
all RPMs
2.  Voltage should go UP as you increase RPMs....maxing out somewhere in =
80V range(a guess, you can find correct figure from Honda).  At some =
point, it will stop going up, usually this is about 8KRPM or so...

If it passes these 2 tests then it's a 99.999999999% regulator problem.

Remember, this is AC voltage you are testing.

Good luck,

I know all about RR problems, had them on many bikes.


One other note.

If your battery is always charged, then your charging system doesn't =
need to work as hard all the time....  This tends to prolong life of RR.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Genna Melamed
Please note that my email is changing to=20
genna@XXXXXX
----------------------------------------------------------------



  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ROBERSON, Brian=20
  To: 'DC Cycles List'=20
  Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:58 AM
  Subject: Help diagnosing charging problem on 99 VFR


  Reference: 99 VFR=20

  I recently had to replace a dead battery.  Little did I know that it =
was caused (I THINK) by other problems.=20

  The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure the voltage at rest, =
its right around 12.8 or a little higher.  When I turn the bike on and =
measure voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- which is terrible.  I =
believe it should be around 14.x or so... 13.8-14.2 or something like =
that.   So I've got an undercharging condition which I believe COULD be =
the regulator/rectifier.  Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I =
wanted to know if there is a easy way to test the stator.  Any thoughts =
or guidance on this very much appreciated.

  Thanks!=20

  Brian=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is probably RR problem, but there =
is pretty=20
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Honda):</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you need Voltmeter with AC range of =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>since this is 3-phase charging system,=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Unplug regulator(all =
wires)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. Start the bike(you need charged =
battery, since=20
there will be no charging during this test)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3.&nbsp;Test voltage between each of =
the three=20
phases (as in 1-2, 2-3, 1-3).&nbsp; These are usually yellow wires that =
come=20
from the engine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not sure what the actual voltage =
should be(it=20
varies from bike to bike), however, look for this.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1.&nbsp; All combinations should =
produce SAME(or=20
really close)&nbsp;AC voltage at all RPMs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2.&nbsp; Voltage should go UP as you =
increase=20
RPMs....maxing out somewhere in 80V range(a guess, you can find correct =
figure=20
from Honda).&nbsp; At some point, it will stop going up, usually this is =
about=20
8KRPM or so...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If it passes these 2 tests then it's a=20
99.999999999% regulator problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Remember, this is AC voltage you are=20
testing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good luck,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know all about RR problems, had them =
on many=20
bikes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One other note.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If your battery is always charged, then =
your=20
charging system doesn't need to work as hard all the time....&nbsp; This =
tends=20
to prolong life of RR.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----------------------------------------------------------------<BR>=
Genna=20
Melamed<BR>Please note that my email is changing to <BR><A=20
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Reference: 99 VFR</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>I recently had to replace a dead battery.&nbsp; =
Little did I=20
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  <P><FONT size=3D2>The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure =
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There's a bunch of good information at: http://www.electrexusa.com/rrlist.htm

Also, if you search the VFR list archives (start with google)...  its a
fairly common issue. 


On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, ROBERSON, Brian wrote:

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:58:24 -0500
> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@XXXXXX>
> To: 'DC Cycles List' <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Help diagnosing charging problem on 99 VFR
> 
> Reference: 99 VFR
> 
> I recently had to replace a dead battery.  Little did I know that it was
> caused (I THINK) by other problems.
> 
> The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure the voltage at rest, its
> right around 12.8 or a little higher.  When I turn the bike on and measure
> voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- which is terrible.  I believe it
> should be around 14.x or so... 13.8-14.2 or something like that.   So I've
> got an undercharging condition which I believe COULD be the
> regulator/rectifier.  Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I wanted to
> know if there is a easy way to test the stator.  Any thoughts or guidance on
> this very much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Brian
> 

--
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Reference: 99 VFR</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I recently had to replace a dead battery.&nbsp; =
Little did I know that it was caused (I THINK) by other =
problems.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The new battery is fully charged.. When I measure the =
voltage at rest, its right around 12.8 or a little higher.&nbsp; When I =
turn the bike on and measure voltage, its registering about 12.06 -- =
which is terrible.&nbsp; I believe it should be around 14.x or so... =
13.8-14.2 or something like that.&nbsp;&nbsp; So I've got an =
undercharging condition which I believe COULD be the =
regulator/rectifier.&nbsp; Before plunking down $150 for a new R/R, I =
wanted to know if there is a easy way to test the stator.&nbsp; Any =
thoughts or guidance on this very much appreciated.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks!</FONT>
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Let me add this variable.. And I may get some flaming from this...

I lost my original battery (+ and -) nuts and bolts... So I went to Home
Depot to try to locate some that would work.  I found some, but I am not
sure they were the right material.. Not exactly metal, some other material.
I also had to use a washer so the bolt wouldn't slide through the connectors
.. This may be the cause of my problem but I haven't proved it yet.

Could the type of bolts I used (with the washer) be causing connection
issues?  I have contacted EverStart and they are shipping me the correct nut
and bolt combo.. (the battery I bought was missing the hardware)..

Just some more info to chew on.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:00 PM
To: ROBERSON, Brian; dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Help diagnosing charging problem on 99 VFR


----- Original Message -----
From: "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Help diagnosing charging problem on 99 VFR


> Guys,
>
> Thanks for the input.. I will follow up with the list after I've 
> checked
the
> system over per your recommendations.  I'm torn between ordering the 
> OEM replacement and the Electrex unit.  I've heard terrible things 
> about Electrex units melting and going EVERYWHERE.  I know they come 
> with a nice warranty, but im still not sure of their quality.
>
> Brian
>
I agree about running through the proper diagnostics procedures before
buying a rectifier/regulator.  Installing a new part may not solve the
problem (assuming you even have a problem in the first place) and just leave
your wallet considerably lighter.  BTDT.  There seems to be little doubt
that the OEM part is weak and prone to failure, but corroded harnesses and
poor conductivity at various connectors (including at the battery itself)
has also been identified as a possible culprit in the VFR.  It does tend to
explain why some bikes suffer repeated failures at short intervals, despite
replacing all the expensive bits.  Honda, in its infinite wisdom, elected to
route the primary charging circuits through multiple harnesses.  If any one
of them gets the slightest bit of corrosion, you've got problems.  Some
people have even gone to the extreme of direct wiring the reg/rect to the
battery.  There's lots of good info. on the Texas VFR Garage site.

http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/

Go direct to an excellent R/R troubleshooting guide:

http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/tech/rr-maintenance.htm

While fairly common, the failures are only reported in 13% of owners who
responded to a VFR list survey run by our own Mike Troutman.  Obviously this
is not a scientific sample, these data show that the problem is by no means
universal.  Knock on wood, but my VFR has 27K miles on it with no problems.

I'll shut up now since I'm probably boring the list with Vifferbabble.

Good luck,

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F .


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Let me add this variable.. And I may get some flaming =
from this...</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I lost my original battery (+ and -) nuts and =
bolts... So I went to Home Depot to try to locate some that would =
work.&nbsp; I found some, but I am not sure they were the right =
material.. Not exactly metal, some other material.&nbsp; I also had to =
use a washer so the bolt wouldn't slide through the connectors .. This =
may be the cause of my problem but I haven't proved it yet.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Could the type of bolts I used (with the washer) be =
causing connection issues?&nbsp; I have contacted EverStart and they =
are shipping me the correct nut and bolt combo.. (the battery I bought =
was missing the hardware)..</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Just some more info to chew on.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Paul Wilson [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX">mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX</A>=
] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:00 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: ROBERSON, Brian; dc-cycles@XXXXXX</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Help diagnosing charging problem on 99 =
VFR</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: &quot;ROBERSON, Brian&quot; =
&lt;broberso@XXXXXX&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: &lt;dc-cycles@XXXXXX&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:21 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Help diagnosing charging problem on 99 =
VFR</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Guys,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Thanks for the input.. I will follow up with =
the list after I've </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; checked</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; system over per your recommendations.&nbsp; I'm =
torn between ordering the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; OEM replacement and the Electrex unit.&nbsp; =
I've heard terrible things </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; about Electrex units melting and going =
EVERYWHERE.&nbsp; I know they come </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; with a nice warranty, but im still not sure of =
their quality.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Brian</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I agree about running through the proper diagnostics =
procedures before buying a rectifier/regulator.&nbsp; Installing a new =
part may not solve the problem (assuming you even have a problem in the =
first place) and just leave your wallet considerably lighter.&nbsp; =
BTDT.&nbsp; There seems to be little doubt that the OEM part is weak =
and prone to failure, but corroded harnesses and poor conductivity at =
various connectors (including at the battery itself) has also been =
identified as a possible culprit in the VFR.&nbsp; It does tend to =
explain why some bikes suffer repeated failures at short intervals, =
despite replacing all the expensive bits.&nbsp; Honda, in its infinite =
wisdom, elected to route the primary charging circuits through multiple =
harnesses.&nbsp; If any one of them gets the slightest bit of =
corrosion, you've got problems.&nbsp; Some people have even gone to the =
extreme of direct wiring the reg/rect to the battery.&nbsp; There's =
lots of good info. on the Texas VFR Garage site.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2><A HREF=3D"http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/</A></FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Go direct to an excellent R/R troubleshooting guide:</=
FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/tech/rr-maintenance.htm" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/tech/rr-maintenance.htm</A>=
</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>While fairly common, the failures are only reported =
in 13% of owners who responded to a VFR list survey run by our own Mike =
Troutman.&nbsp; Obviously this is not a scientific sample, these data =
show that the problem is by no means universal.&nbsp; Knock on wood, =
but my VFR has 27K miles on it with no problems.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'll shut up now since I'm probably boring the list =
with Vifferbabble.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Good luck,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Paul in DC</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>95 VFR750F .</FONT>
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I don't know if this is for real or tongue-in-cheek, but...

http://www.speedtv.com/motorcycle/?lvl=3a&cat=16&id=643

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> I don't know if this is for real or tongue-in-cheek, but...

 From what I can gather, it apears to be both.



Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing


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>>ObDCC: Is it usual to have huge bands of sportbikes charging madly about
>>DC on Friday nights?

Nice weather usually brings *tons* of sportbikes into the city. Check out
Republic Gardens and State of the Union, next door to eachother at the
corner of 14th and U NW. In May and June there will be literally 2 blocks of
nothing but sportbikes parked on U Street.  I personally find it amazing
that all these guys actually figure out which bike belongs to who, what with
all the bikes being basically one of 3 standard paint jobs and everyone
drinking all night long. (some--not all, just some-- of these guys are real
ninnies, the kind that give the rest of us a bad reputation, which is why I
get a kick out of watching them try and sort out who belongs to which bike,
and it's especially amusing to watch the drunk companion try and figure out
how to get on the back of the bike after 14 margaritas... first you picked
her up in the club and now you gotta pick her up outta the street)

Other places to see and be seen: the 9:30 Club (9th and V NW) for certain
shows; there'll be a collection of mostly cruisers sometimes the whole block
long. Has to be for a rockabilly or old-timers punk rock show, though.

Asylum (18th and Columbia NW), especially on a Saturday or Sunday morning,
and this is where a lot of the displaced Crow Bar crowd hangs out.  Jimmy
the owner sometimes gets a group to meet at the bar and go for a ride on
weekend days.  They also always have a big group going to Rolling Thunder as
well as a Memorial Day weekend charity bike wash.

FWIW one of the guys who used to run the Crow Bar is now managing at Dr.
Dremo which used to be Bardo, on Wilson Blvd (Arlington). He keeps talking
about getting the old Crow Bar crew back together over there; it's a pretty
bike-friendly place with parking lot and a lot of stuff to do to keep you
entertained without drinking.  I know there's plenty of Crow Bar veterans on
this list so I'll keep reminding him about it.


Patti the Lantech
'95 Virago 750
missing the days of the Real Back Alley

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Fellow listmember Sally Wood and I are back from our
recent vacation to Spain. (Not all of you may know
that Sally and I have been dating for several months
now.)

Despite an early experience with pickpockets, we had a
great time. We saw the opening round of the World
Superbike season in Valencia. Great races, but to be
honest the AMA Superbike round last year at VIR was
far more exciting and had many more vendors and better
access to the pits. It was still a lot of fun,
however.

Sally and I also travelled down to Seville, spending a
few days examining the cathedral, old buildings and
bullfight ring. 

After Seville, Sally and I travelled up to Toledo. We
admired the first-century stone battlements around the
town, the Alcazar (fortress) in the city center, and
the highly visible Moorish/Arab influence dating back
around many hundreds of years.

THE BIG NEWS: It was in Seville that Sally accepted my
marriage proposal and made me the happiest I've ever
been in my life. I won't gush too much, aside from
saying that she is the best thing that has ever
happened to me and that we are deeply in love. 

All of you may take some pride in the fact that it is
entirely due to this list and the wonderful people
that inhabit it that we ever met and started dating in
the first place. Those who question this list's
usefulness need look no further than Sally and myself
for their answer.

Best wishes to you all,

Chris Weaver





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Holy Email Batman!
Congratulations Chris and Sally.  I've been married 4 years and have a
beautiful baby girl, my wife and I still can't believe it.  By the way, I
thoroughly enjoyed Spain myself (what I can remember after all that
partying-those people make rush week in college look like a church social)
Burgos still holds a soft spot in my heart.  I recommend Paris for the
honeymoon, that's were I spent mine, that and a small city 10 minutes from
the Paul Ricard raceway.  Ahhh, blood sausage, tapas, red wine, beer, damn I
miss the place.
Cedric
CBR600F4

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usefulness need look no further than Sally and myself
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Best wishes to you all,

Chris Weaver


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Chris gave us the big news !!!

Congratulations !



Fellow listmember Sally Wood and I are back from our
recent vacation to Spain. (Not all of you may know
that Sally and I have been dating for several months
now.)


	<DJY>  After this paragraph, I suspected what might happen...

Sally and I also travelled down to Seville, spending a
few days examining the cathedral, old buildings and
bullfight ring.

After Seville, Sally and I travelled up to Toledo. ...


	<DJY>  Sally, Sally, Sally...  I'll bet this is going somewhere...


THE BIG NEWS: It was in Seville that Sally accepted my
marriage proposal


	<DJY>   Yup.  :-)

Now...  Details !!!  Where (which M/C dealer) are you registered, when's
the ceremony, Honeymooning on the IOM ???



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/




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Dave,

Thanks for the congratulations. :^) As for
registration, I hadn't thought of registering at a
motorcycle dealer. Now that's a thought! Let's see...
Ohlins shock, Akrapovic pipes, carbon fiber... wow -
great idea! 

Wait... does that mean I have to invite you people to
my wedding? =8^o

Chris

--- Dave Yates <sdave@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Now...  Details !!!  Where (which M/C dealer) are
> you registered, when's
> the ceremony, Honeymooning on the IOM ???


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Dave,

Thanks for the congratulations. :^) As for
registration, I hadn't thought of registering at a
motorcycle dealer. Now that's a thought!


	<DJY> well, I had the day off work, so thought was ok today ;-)


 Let's see...
Ohlins shock, Akrapovic pipes, carbon fiber... wow -
great idea!


	<DJY> Let's not forget mail order !


Wait... does that mean I have to invite you people to
my wedding? =8^o


	<DJY>  BAH.  I think the Vatican has a poster of me similar to the
FBI's ten most wanted...  I think if I set foot inside a church, it
would be cataclysmic...


Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


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Absolutely.  We can form a wheelie archway at the entrance of the church.  ;-)

Scooter

In a message dated Mon, 18 Mar 2002  4:51:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> writes:

> Dave,
> 
> Thanks for the congratulations. :^) As for
> registration, I hadn't thought of registering at a
> motorcycle dealer. Now that's a thought! Let's see...
> Ohlins shock, Akrapovic pipes, carbon fiber... wow -
> great idea! 
> 
> Wait... does that mean I have to invite you people to
> my wedding? =8^o
> 
> Chris
> 
> --- Dave Yates <sdave@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Now...  Details !!!  Where (which M/C dealer) are
> > you registered, when's
> > the ceremony, Honeymooning on the IOM ???
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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You're welcome.  ;-)

Scooter

In a message dated Mon, 18 Mar 2002  4:27:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> writes:

> Er... Thanks for the kind words of congratulations. I
> think. ;^)
> 
> Chris
> 
> --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> > Chris, you have my congratulations.  Sally, you have
> > my sympathies.  You sure you know what you're
> > getting into with him?  ;-)  Just kidding Chris. 
> > Really I am.  Chris, put the gun down.  Get away
> > from my bike. 
> > NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > Scooter
> > 
> > In a message dated Mon, 18 Mar 2002  4:09:31 PM
> > Eastern Standard Time, Chris Weaver
> > <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> writes:
> > 
> > > Fellow listmember Sally Wood and I are back from
> > our
> > > recent vacation to Spain. (Not all of you may know
> > > that Sally and I have been dating for several
> > months
> > > now.)
> > > 
> > > Despite an early experience with pickpockets, we
> > had a
> > > great time. We saw the opening round of the World
> > > Superbike season in Valencia. Great races, but to
> > be
> > > honest the AMA Superbike round last year at VIR
> > was
> > > far more exciting and had many more vendors and
> > better
> > > access to the pits. It was still a lot of fun,
> > > however.
> > > 
> > > Sally and I also travelled down to Seville,
> > spending a
> > > few days examining the cathedral, old buildings
> > and
> > > bullfight ring. 
> > > 
> > > After Seville, Sally and I travelled up to Toledo.
> > We
> > > admired the first-century stone battlements around
> > the
> > > town, the Alcazar (fortress) in the city center,
> > and
> > > the highly visible Moorish/Arab influence dating
> > back
> > > around many hundreds of years.
> > > 
> > > THE BIG NEWS: It was in Seville that Sally
> > accepted my
> > > marriage proposal and made me the happiest I've
> > ever
> > > been in my life. I won't gush too much, aside from
> > > saying that she is the best thing that has ever
> > > happened to me and that we are deeply in love. 
> > > 
> > > All of you may take some pride in the fact that it
> > is
> > > entirely due to this list and the wonderful people
> > > that inhabit it that we ever met and started
> > dating in
> > > the first place. Those who question this list's
> > > usefulness need look no further than Sally and
> > myself
> > > for their answer.
> > > 
> > > Best wishes to you all,
> > > 
> > > Chris Weaver
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
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> > > http://sports.yahoo.com/
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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That's wonderful news!  Congratulations Chris and Sally!!!

We must toast this at the next Bike Night!

Rob
'98 VFR800

From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Back From Spain - Big News!
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:05:58 -0800 (PST)

Fellow listmember Sally Wood and I are back from our
recent vacation to Spain. (Not all of you may know
that Sally and I have been dating for several months
now.)

Despite an early experience with pickpockets, we had a
great time. We saw the opening round of the World
Superbike season in Valencia. Great races, but to be
honest the AMA Superbike round last year at VIR was
far more exciting and had many more vendors and better
access to the pits. It was still a lot of fun,
however.

Sally and I also travelled down to Seville, spending a
few days examining the cathedral, old buildings and
bullfight ring.

After Seville, Sally and I travelled up to Toledo. We
admired the first-century stone battlements around the
town, the Alcazar (fortress) in the city center, and
the highly visible Moorish/Arab influence dating back
around many hundreds of years.

THE BIG NEWS: It was in Seville that Sally accepted my
marriage proposal and made me the happiest I've ever
been in my life. I won't gush too much, aside from
saying that she is the best thing that has ever
happened to me and that we are deeply in love.

All of you may take some pride in the fact that it is
entirely due to this list and the wonderful people
that inhabit it that we ever met and started dating in
the first place. Those who question this list's
usefulness need look no further than Sally and myself
for their answer.

Best wishes to you all,

Chris Weaver





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At 04:05 PM 3/18/2002, Chris Weaver wrote:
>Despite an early experience with pickpockets, we had a
>great time.

Just for fun, when I went to Paris, I made up a pickpocket wallet and a 
real wallet.

The pickpocket wallet contained Monopoly money and a "Chance" card: "Go 
Directly to Jail". It was in my usual back pocket of my jeans.

The real wallet had all the good stuff in it, and was buried in the front 
pocket.

The pickpocket wallet disappeared on the Metro one day. Totally seamless -- 
didn't notice a thing. The real wallet made it through the trip.

All well and good, but now my Monopoly game is incomplete. ;-)

Congrats on the engagement.

  /// Rob



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>
> THE BIG NEWS: It was in Seville that Sally accepted my
> marriage proposal and made me the happiest I've ever
> been in my life. I won't gush too much, aside from
> saying that she is the best thing that has ever
> happened to me and that we are deeply in love.
>
I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!     Congratulations to you both.  That is so
wonderful.

Laura


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Congratulations Chris and Sally!!!  When's the wedding?

LindaT.
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Chris Weaver said:
THE BIG NEWS: It was in Seville that Sally accepted my
marriage proposal and made me the happiest I've ever
been in my life. I won't gush too much, aside from
saying that she is the best thing that has ever
happened to me and that we are deeply in love. 

All of you may take some pride in the fact that it is
entirely due to this list and the wonderful people
that inhabit it that we ever met and started dating in
the first place. Those who question this list's
usefulness need look no further than Sally and myself
for their answer.

Best wishes to you all,

Chris Weaver


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Call em silly, confusing, etc but they work WAY better
then our traffic light systems.  Think about it, with
a jug handle you only have a TOTAL of two light
changes per traffic cycle.  With the average traffic
light in this area you have FOUR light changes in  a
traffic cycle causing traffic to sit at the light
longer causing more backups.  In the jug handle
scenario the "main route" keeps moving more of the
time.  Sure I didn't like them when I first used them
but they make more sense.

Glenn
--- Dave Yates <sdave@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Paul Pontificates
> 
> What I like about the roundabouts is that traffic
> keeps moving, unlike
> in DC
> where they insist on signalizing the traffic circles
> into a standstill.
> That's a lesson in how to screw up a circle.  But,
> still few things are
> as
> confusing as the "Jersey Jug Handle."
> 
> 
> 	<DJY>  True, the NJ Jug handle, mug handle -
> whatever is pretty
> silly...  NJ is also a state that LOVE their traffic
> circles.  What a
> hideous, Charlie Foxtrot.  I went through 3 or 4 on
> the way to Long
> Beach Island...  They were not faster than traffic
> lights.  much as I
> hate to say it...
> 


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First of all, this just way too mushy! %^)  Second of all, this is a 
g--damn m/c list fer chrissakes!  Bring back the brake thread!

Chris Weaver wrote: <SNIP>

> 
> THE BIG NEWS: It was in Seville that Sally accepted my
> marriage proposal and made me the happiest I've ever
> been in my life. I won't gush too much, aside from
> saying that she is the best thing that has ever
> happened to me and that we are deeply in love.




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Chuck tries to reignite the camp fire -

First of all, this just way too mushy! %^)  Second of all, this is a
g--damn m/c list fer chrissakes!  Bring back the brake thread!

	<DJY>  Aw STFU Chuck <g> 1st Dysart rears his head trying to incite
another flame fest with his NJ comparo, ;-) & you get all misty over a
stinkin' proposal.... Sheesh...  Where's Anker when you need him ? ;-)



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


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Glenn pops up like a  whack-a-mole -
 
Call em silly, confusing, etc but they work WAY better
then our traffic light systems.  


	<DJY>  Weren't you the one that lit off the brake thread ?!  :-) 

Think about it, with
a jug handle you only have a TOTAL of two light
changes per traffic cycle.  With the average traffic
light in this area you have FOUR light changes in  a
traffic cycle causing traffic to sit at the light
longer causing more backups.  In the jug handle
scenario the "main route" keeps moving more of the
time.  Sure I didn't like them when I first used them
but they make more sense.

	<DJY> So do rea...  nah...


Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ 
  


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I admit to being a puss.  I do not ride the scoot too work when it's
cold and wet.  Don't mind a shower if I'm going somewhere fun, but
forget being semi-miserable just to get to work.  Yeah, yeah, so I ride
a Harley, those of you on rice burners say.

Well???

On this cold, rainy day I saw ONE scoot parked at Crystal Drive & 20th.
A Beemer with heated grips and whatnot?  Nope.  A Gold Wing, otherwise
known as a Buick without a roof?  Nope.  You're basic beater jap bike
used for everyday commuting?  Nope.  Twas a Harley bagger!!!  The lone
bike!

Hmmm...

Bill


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Congratulations.   Now repeat after me - "Yes, dear"  and  "Right away,
dear"  This survival advice comes from my extensive experiance - more'n
35 years of ducking, dodging, and running becasue I forgot to utter
"yes, dear" and "right away, dear".

Bill

Chris Weaver wrote:

> Fellow listmember Sally Wood and I are back from our
> recent vacation to Spain. (Not all of you may know
> that Sally and I have been dating for several months
> now.)
>
> Despite an early experience with pickpockets, we had a
> great time. We saw the opening round of the World
> Superbike season in Valencia. Great races, but to be
> honest the AMA Superbike round last year at VIR was
> far more exciting and had many more vendors and better
> access to the pits. It was still a lot of fun,
> however.
>
> Sally and I also travelled down to Seville, spending a
> few days examining the cathedral, old buildings and
> bullfight ring.
>
> After Seville, Sally and I travelled up to Toledo. We
> admired the first-century stone battlements around the
> town, the Alcazar (fortress) in the city center, and
> the highly visible Moorish/Arab influence dating back
> around many hundreds of years.
>
> THE BIG NEWS: It was in Seville that Sally accepted my
> marriage proposal and made me the happiest I've ever
> been in my life. I won't gush too much, aside from
> saying that she is the best thing that has ever
> happened to me and that we are deeply in love.
>
> All of you may take some pride in the fact that it is
> entirely due to this list and the wonderful people
> that inhabit it that we ever met and started dating in
> the first place. Those who question this list's
> usefulness need look no further than Sally and myself
> for their answer.
>
> Best wishes to you all,
>
> Chris Weaver
>
> __________________________________________________
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Bill confesses -

I admit to being a puss.  I do not ride the scoot too work when it's
cold and wet.  Don't mind a shower if I'm going somewhere fun, but
forget being semi-miserable just to get to work.  Yeah, yeah, so I ride
a Harley, those of you on rice burners say.

Well???


	<DJY>  <sigh>  I haven't broken my bike out of the winter hibernation
yet.  Still too cold for me.  Rain I can live with.  God hasn't invented
rain that can deter me...  yet.


On this cold, rainy day I saw ONE scoot parked at Crystal Drive & 20th.
A Beemer with heated grips and whatnot?  Nope.  A Gold Wing, otherwise
known as a Buick without a roof?  Nope.  You're basic beater jap bike
used for everyday commuting?  Nope.  Twas a Harley bagger!!!  The lone
bike!


	<DJY>  New one ?  If you got 20k to slap down on a bike, You probably
got enough for electrics...

Someday...



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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At 09:35 PM 3/18/02 -0500, William J. Huson wrote:
>I admit to being a puss.  I do not ride the scoot too work when it's
>cold and wet.  Don't mind a shower if I'm going somewhere fun, but
>forget being semi-miserable just to get to work.  Yeah, yeah, so I ride
>a Harley, those of you on rice burners say.
>
>Well???

No riding in the rain here.  I rode the other morning in the fog and was
pissed that my bike got condensation all over it!  ;-)  ;-)

I'm definately a fair weather rider.  45 deg and warmer, dry only  :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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I've been riding through all this dreariness.  I fact I haven't missed a
bike commute day since Jan. 2001, the last time it actually snowed to any
great extent.  I do think mushrooms are probably growing under my seat
though.  We'll be complaining about the heat and humidity soon enough, I
expect.

Paul in DC
95 VFR - 86 VF500F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Edelen" <wayne@XXXXXX>


> At 09:35 PM 3/18/02 -0500, William J. Huson wrote:
> >I admit to being a puss.  I do not ride the scoot too work when it's
> >cold and wet.  Don't mind a shower if I'm going somewhere fun, but
> >forget being semi-miserable just to get to work.  Yeah, yeah, so I ride
> >a Harley, those of you on rice burners say.
> >
> >Well???
>
> No riding in the rain here.  I rode the other morning in the fog and was
> pissed that my bike got condensation all over it!  ;-)  ;-)
>
> I'm definately a fair weather rider.  45 deg and warmer, dry only  :-)
>
> -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/
>



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Wayne Edelen wrote:

> At 09:35 PM 3/18/02 -0500, William J. Huson wrote:
> >I admit to being a puss.  I do not ride the scoot too work when it's
> >cold and wet.  Don't mind a shower if I'm going somewhere fun, but
> >forget being semi-miserable just to get to work.  Yeah, yeah, so I ride
> >a Harley, those of you on rice burners say.
> >
> >Well???
>
> No riding in the rain here.  I rode the other morning in the fog and was
> pissed that my bike got condensation all over it!  ;-)  ;-)
>
> I'm definately a fair weather rider.  45 deg and warmer, dry only  :-)
>
> -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

45 F is about my low limit, bet I don't mind wet when it's nice and toasty
out.   Warm and wet is good!

Bill


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Dave Yates wrote:

> Bill confesses -
>
> I admit to being a puss.  I do not ride the scoot too work when it's
> cold and wet.  Don't mind a shower if I'm going somewhere fun, but
> forget being semi-miserable just to get to work.  Yeah, yeah, so I ride
> a Harley, those of you on rice burners say.
>
> Well???
>
>         <DJY>  <sigh>  I haven't broken my bike out of the winter hibernation
> yet.  Still too cold for me.  Rain I can live with.  God hasn't invented
> rain that can deter me...  yet.
>

Hibernation?  Mine has sat for the brief chilly spells but it's been loose a lot
this so-called winter.

>
> On this cold, rainy day I saw ONE scoot parked at Crystal Drive & 20th.
> A Beemer with heated grips and whatnot?  Nope.  A Gold Wing, otherwise
> known as a Buick without a roof?  Nope.  You're basic beater jap bike
> used for everyday commuting?  Nope.  Twas a Harley bagger!!!  The lone
> bike!
>
>         <DJY>  New one ?  If you got 20k to slap down on a bike, You probably
> got enough for electrics...
>

True, but a few of the bikes that normally park there are just as pricey.


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At 10:22 PM 3/18/02 -0500, William J. Huson wrote:
[...]
>45 F is about my low limit, bet I don't mind wet when it's nice and toasty

I have a Joe Rocket Meteor jacket with Ballistic pants that work well down
in the lower temps.  Coupled with a silk top/fleece bottom balaclava and a
pair of Tourmaster cold weather gloves and it's pretty comfy.  I would like
a better solution for sealing up my helmet from cold air, though.  Even
with the balaclava, I still get some wind up into the front of my helmet
and on to my nose.

For 55+ temps, I wear a Joe Rocket Speedmaster leather.  I was thinking of
ordering up some Joe Rocket Hustler perforated leather overpants for
commuting duty.  Anyone using those?

>out.   Warm and wet is good!

Uhm, Bill, are we still talking about the weather?

;-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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Wayne Edelen wrote:

> I have a Joe Rocket Meteor jacket with Ballistic pants that work well down
> in the lower temps.  Coupled with a silk top/fleece bottom balaclava and a
> pair of Tourmaster cold weather gloves and it's pretty comfy.  I would like
> a better solution for sealing up my helmet from cold air, though.  Even
> with the balaclava, I still get some wind up into the front of my helmet
> and on to my nose.

When I wuz young an' fearless, I did the all-weather thang in a snowmobile suit
and gloves - WWII air ace scarf for me neck.  Got stopped by Fairfax County's
finest one night, man with the badge wanted to see if I wuz drunk or crazy
seeing as how it wuz snowing.  I wuz sober, just young an' fearless, and  a wee
bit loony :-)

> For 55+ temps, I wear a Joe Rocket Speedmaster leather.  I was thinking of
> ordering up some Joe Rocket Hustler perforated leather overpants for
> commuting duty.  Anyone using those?

Yep, got me a perf jacket..  It be an H-D stylin' jacket so the leather is a
bit thin for road rash sliding.  Have chaps (non-perf)  too but I rarely wear
them.  Jeans are my style.

> >out.   Warm and wet is good!
>
> Uhm, Bill, are we still talking about the weather?

Warm an' wet is universally good, weather or... you know :->

Bill


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At 08:03 AM 3/19/02 -0500, William J. Huson wrote:
>When I wuz young an' fearless, I did the all-weather thang in a snowmobile
suit
>and gloves - WWII air ace scarf for me neck.  Got stopped by Fairfax County's
>finest one night, man with the badge wanted to see if I wuz drunk or crazy
>seeing as how it wuz snowing.  I wuz sober, just young an' fearless, and
a wee
>bit loony :-)

ha!  :-)  When my dad rode year round on his old 750 four and Goldwing he
wore a snowmobile suit, too.

>> For 55+ temps, I wear a Joe Rocket Speedmaster leather.  I was thinking of
>> ordering up some Joe Rocket Hustler perforated leather overpants for
>> commuting duty.  Anyone using those?
>
>Yep, got me a perf jacket..  It be an H-D stylin' jacket so the leather is a
>bit thin for road rash sliding.  Have chaps (non-perf)  too but I rarely wear
>them.  Jeans are my style.

I prefer the jeans/boots/leather jacket/gloves gig, but when commuting to
work I'm generally wearing something thinner than jeans (dress slacks or
khakis).  These would provide zero abrasion protection, that's why I'm
interested in the leather overpants.

>Warm an' wet is universally good, weather or... you know :->

;-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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In a message dated 3/19/2002 8:10:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
bhuson@XXXXXX writes:

> Got stopped by Fairfax County's
>  finest one night, man with the badge wanted to see if I wuz drunk or crazy
>  seeing as how it wuz snowing.  

My father talks about riding to his job in inclement weather.
 His job? He drove a snowplow.
  Hardcore.


John.
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YEAH!  I didn't sign up for this list to hear some wheelie-poppin',
knee-draggin' sport bike rider go on and on about his fabulous fiancM-ie!  ;)
Now...about registering with a motorcycle shop...   

Thanks, everyone, for your good wishes!   

Sally



Chuck and Karen Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote:

First of all, this just way too mushy! %^)  Second of all, this is a g--damn
m/c list fer chrissakes!  Bring back the
brake thread!

Chris Weaver wrote: 
 
THE BIG NEWS: It was in Seville that Sally accepted my marriage proposal and
made me the happiest I've ever been in my life.... 




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CONGRATULATIONS!!! That is so awesome!
That makes at least 2 couples now who met through the
list, huh?  :-)

Details! Have you set a date? Pics of the ring? (Sorry
I'm a wedding geek - LOL)

- Jeannette
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> From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Back From Spain - Big News!
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:05:58 -0800 (PST)
> 
> Fellow listmember Sally Wood and I are back from our
> recent vacation to Spain. (Not all of you may know
> that Sally and I have been dating for several months
> now.)
> 
> Despite an early experience with pickpockets, we had
> a
> great time. We saw the opening round of the World
> Superbike season in Valencia. Great races, but to be
> honest the AMA Superbike round last year at VIR was
> far more exciting and had many more vendors and
> better
> access to the pits. It was still a lot of fun,
> however.
> 
> Sally and I also travelled down to Seville, spending
> a
> few days examining the cathedral, old buildings and
> bullfight ring.
> 
> After Seville, Sally and I travelled up to Toledo.
> We
> admired the first-century stone battlements around
> the
> town, the Alcazar (fortress) in the city center, and
> the highly visible Moorish/Arab influence dating
> back
> around many hundreds of years.
> 
> THE BIG NEWS: It was in Seville that Sally accepted
> my
> marriage proposal and made me the happiest I've ever
> been in my life. I won't gush too much, aside from
> saying that she is the best thing that has ever
> happened to me and that we are deeply in love.
> 
> All of you may take some pride in the fact that it
> is
> entirely due to this list and the wonderful people
> that inhabit it that we ever met and started dating
> in
> the first place. Those who question this list's
> usefulness need look no further than Sally and
> myself
> for their answer.
> 
> Best wishes to you all,
> 
> Chris Weaver
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I read this once in Popular Mechanics.

The physical characteristic of a battery is such that the plates are usually
depleted by year 3 (as a rule).  In other words the batts would have to be
heavier, bigger  (because of plate size) to go beyond year 3.  Now... I've
had batts last into year 4 and even 5.  But, do you know what...  why strand
yourself in the "out years" when at year 3  purchasing a new batt will
probably not strand you someplace and some late hour, when you least need
the hassle(Murphy's law).  



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OK.  This is now completely out of control.  All this lovey-dovey talk is just going to make be barf.  Where's a moderator when you need one???  Can we talk about front vs. rear brake, regular vs. synthetic oil?  Guns?  Anything EXCEPT Chris and Sally's wedding!!!  AAARGH!!! %^)

P.S.  For all the guys who want to get Chris an "engagement" present, I propose starting a fund to help him pay for his new engine for his VTR.  I'm good for $20.  I'll take up a collection at the April 7th bike night at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda.

Original Message:
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CONGRATULATIONS!!! That is so awesome!
That makes at least 2 couples now who met through the
list, huh?  :-)

Details! Have you set a date? Pics of the ring? (Sorry
I'm a wedding geek - LOL)

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Wow.  Congrats Chris.  Was it the Spanish wine???


Mark

--- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
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> OK.  This is now completely out of control.  All
> this lovey-dovey talk is just going to make be barf.
>  Where's a moderator when you need one???  Can we
> talk about front vs. rear brake, regular vs.
> synthetic oil?  Guns?  Anything EXCEPT Chris and
> Sally's wedding!!!  AAARGH!!! %^)
> 
> P.S.  For all the guys who want to get Chris an
> "engagement" present, I propose starting a fund to
> help him pay for his new engine for his VTR.  I'm
> good for $20.  I'll take up a collection at the
> April 7th bike night at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda.
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> 
> CONGRATULATIONS!!! That is so awesome!
> That makes at least 2 couples now who met through
> the
> list, huh?  :-)
> 
> Details! Have you set a date? Pics of the ring?
> (Sorry
> I'm a wedding geek - LOL)
> 
>
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"cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote:
> 
> OK.  This is now completely out of control.  All this lovey-dovey talk is just 
> going to make be barf.  Where's a moderator when you need one???  Can we talk 
> about front vs. rear brake, regular vs. synthetic oil?  Guns?  

I found an actual "glock in a tankbag thread" on a list that actually
encourages such discussions. 

http://glocktalk.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=21

Hope this helps.  :)

Horkster

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Four basic style vehicle batterys:  Car - marine - HD marine - M/C (lawnmower
etc).  The main differance is the space betwixt the plates.   Less space means a
discharge to dead will cause problems.  An M/C battery is very compact, so if
you kill that bugger you might as well go shopping for a new one, you'll need it
soon.  Also, the lack of space means less life in service, plates sulphate up
and battery starts gasping.   A car battery has more amps and more space,
probably good for 5 years - had one last ten.  A marine battery with the same
amps as a car battery is bigger with more plate space, built for more abuse
since boats are intermintantly used (like some M/Cs) and the battery has to
withstand abuse.  HD marine, called deep discharge, has a lot of space and can
be drained to the limit and will take a recharge.  This style is used to run
electric trolling motors and the like.

Also, the plates on a compact M/C battery are thinner and contribute to the
short life.  3 years is a good alert time.  I use to burn one every two years in
my old Suzuki.  My last M/C battery lasted 3 years, new one is getting TLC with
a battery tender.   I'm going for a record!

Bill

Bruhl, George LT wrote:

> I read this once in Popular Mechanics.
>
> The physical characteristic of a battery is such that the plates are usually
> depleted by year 3 (as a rule).  In other words the batts would have to be
> heavier, bigger  (because of plate size) to go beyond year 3.  Now... I've
> had batts last into year 4 and even 5.  But, do you know what...  why strand
> yourself in the "out years" when at year 3  purchasing a new batt will
> probably not strand you someplace and some late hour, when you least need
> the hassle(Murphy's law).


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cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote:

> OK.  This is now completely out of control.  All this lovey-dovey talk is just going to make be barf.  Where's a moderator when you need one???  Can we talk about front vs. rear brake, regular vs. synthetic oil?  Guns?  Anything EXCEPT Chris and Sally's wedding!!!  AAARGH!!! %^)

Oh, get a grip!  But we could talk about front and rear... um... er... Okay, how about lubes!!!   Oh my, that might be a bit racey also...

Bill



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"William J. Huson" wrote:
> 
> cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote:
>>Anything EXCEPT Chris and Sally's wedding!!!  AAARGH!!! %^)
> 
> Oh, get a grip!  But we could talk about front and rear... um... er... 
> Okay, how about lubes!!!   Oh my, that might be a bit racey also...

Mounting and balancing?  Get-offs?  Riding style and technique?
Vibration?  Abrasion resistance?  Clutches?  Slip ons?  Headers?  
Crankshafts?  Rims?  Endurance?  

Sorry, I can't think of anything bike-related either.  :)

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On Tuesday 19 March 2002 09:36, you wrote:
> I use to burn one every two
> years in my old Suzuki.  My last M/C battery lasted 3 years, new one is
> getting TLC with a battery tender.   I'm going for a record!

Bill's right on the mark with this one. If you keep a MC battery at full 
charge using a battery tender, its life will be greatly extended - especially 
if you normally would let it go dead during the winter (or even sit at a low 
charge by riding infrequently).  

- Roach

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And from some of the articles i've been reading, a bad or dead battery can
adversely affect the regulator/rectifier.  Which can cost you atleast $120 +
new battery. Definitely worth replacing around year 3! $50 vs $170 (im
kicking myself currently)

Brian

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I read this once in Popular Mechanics.

The physical characteristic of a battery is such that the plates are usually
depleted by year 3 (as a rule).  In other words the batts would have to be
heavier, bigger  (because of plate size) to go beyond year 3.  Now... I've
had batts last into year 4 and even 5.  But, do you know what...  why strand
yourself in the "out years" when at year 3  purchasing a new batt will
probably not strand you someplace and some late hour, when you least need
the hassle(Murphy's law).  


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			All,

			I finally decided to upgrade the pipe on my 2000
VFR.  It was a tough choice between the Staintune (My favorite) and Micron
slip-ons.  I ended up with the Micron because of a couple of reasons - their
pipes are significantly less expensive (I was comparing the carbon-fiber)
and I liked the fact that the Micron could be repacked. (Just because
Staintune says theirs would never need it, I wasn't so sure...)  Another
smaller consideration was that Micron was carried by AZ motorsports.

			Anyhow, I got what I thought was a great deal from
AZ motorsports.  I wanted a High mount, carbon fiber can - but they emailed
me back with an offer of $374 for a high mount titanium.  I thought that was
a great deal (over $100 less) and went for it. (new systems with new logo)

			My question for the list is, when mounting the new
Micron is there any thing special I may need that does not come with the
system? (Gaskets, washers, sealant)  I'm expecting the pipe tomorrow, and
hope to have everything I need to mount it ready to go.

			Thanks for the advice - I'll post a review of the Ti
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			-Calvin Ledford
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Roach wrote:
> Bill's right on the mark with this one. If you keep a MC battery at full 
> charge using a battery tender, its life will be greatly extended - especially 
> if you normally would let it go dead during the winter (or even sit at a low 
> charge by riding infrequently). 

This brings up a question I've had on getting my VTR to start better on mondays during the winter (bike sits only on weekends, used to commute 65 miles/day M-F). A battery tender would be tough in my current situation as I'm in a garageless townhouse and have to park the bike a fair bit from the house. :( Has anyone tried those solar things that plug into cig lighters on cars? It's not unusual when it's in the 20s (even 30s sometimes) to have to jumpstart the bike... The battery is new this winter.

Kirk


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> "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote:
> 
> And from some of the articles i've been reading, a bad or dead battery
> can adversely affect the regulator/rectifier. 

Really?  Can you provide a link to some of those articles?  I'm
curious.  I didn't realize a dead/dying battery did anything other
than make a kick starter a really nice feature to have.  I kind of
miss kicking the old KZ to life every now and then.  Nursed that 
thing along with a weak battery the first 6 months I had it.

I had planss of seeing how long I can keep the current '98 Connie
OEM battery going.  It never sits for more than a few days at a
time, and gets the occasional 7+ gallons of charging whenever
I get a chance.  :)

Hork
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Dale Horstman wrote:

> > "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote:
> >
> > And from some of the articles i've been reading, a bad or dead battery
> > can adversely affect the regulator/rectifier.
>
> Really?  Can you provide a link to some of those articles?  I'm
> curious.  I didn't realize a dead/dying battery did anything other
> than make a kick starter a really nice feature to have.  I kind of
> miss kicking the old KZ to life every now and then.  Nursed that
> thing along with a weak battery the first 6 months I had it.
>

I smell a rat here too.  Alternators deliver plenty of juice and voltage
regulators are designed to process it all.   I seriously doubt chatrging a
semi-dead battery is going to tax a regulator.  Sounds like a whiney excuse
from a manufacturor who installed cheesy regulators.  It's one of those
devices that outlive the vehicle.

Bill


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Dale,

http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/tech/rr-maintenance.htm

Bruce Wilson has done extensive research on the dreaded VFR r/r problem.
I've seen this article before but never thought anything of it till I
encountered the dreaded problem.  It's a very good breakdown of the
charging/ignition system of the VFR.  Fortunately for every other brand, it
seems Honda has been cursed with this problem more than any other
manufacturer..

Under "Main Sources of the R/R Failure Problems" - #6 mentions this battery
issue I was talking about.

Also, special note to second paragraph where our own Mike Troutman is
mentioned.

Brian
99 VFR (broken)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:18 AM
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Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'
Subject: Re: Battery life expectancy


> "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote:
> 
> And from some of the articles i've been reading, a bad or dead battery 
> can adversely affect the regulator/rectifier.

Really?  Can you provide a link to some of those articles?  I'm curious.  I
didn't realize a dead/dying battery did anything other than make a kick
starter a really nice feature to have.  I kind of miss kicking the old KZ to
life every now and then.  Nursed that 
thing along with a weak battery the first 6 months I had it.

I had planss of seeing how long I can keep the current '98 Connie OEM
battery going.  It never sits for more than a few days at a time, and gets
the occasional 7+ gallons of charging whenever I get a chance.  :)

Hork
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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dale,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bruce Wilson has done extensive research on the =
dreaded VFR r/r problem.&nbsp; I've seen this article before but never =
thought anything of it till I encountered the dreaded problem.&nbsp; =
It's a very good breakdown of the charging/ignition system of the =
VFR.&nbsp; Fortunately for every other brand, it seems Honda has been =
cursed with this problem more than any other manufacturer..</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Under &quot;Main Sources of the R/R Failure =
Problems&quot; - #6 mentions this battery issue I was talking =
about.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Also, special note to second paragraph where our own =
Mike Troutman is mentioned.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>99 VFR (broken)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Dale Horstman [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:horkster@XXXXXX">mailto:horkster@XXXXXX</A>] =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:18 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: ROBERSON, Brian</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Battery life expectancy</FONT>
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<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &quot;ROBERSON, Brian&quot; wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; And from some of the articles i've been =
reading, a bad or dead battery </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; can adversely affect the =
regulator/rectifier.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Really?&nbsp; Can you provide a link to some of those =
articles?&nbsp; I'm curious.&nbsp; I didn't realize a dead/dying =
battery did anything other than make a kick starter a really nice =
feature to have.&nbsp; I kind of miss kicking the old KZ to life every =
now and then.&nbsp; Nursed that </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>thing along with a weak battery the first 6 months I =
had it.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I had planss of seeing how long I can keep the =
current '98 Connie OEM battery going.&nbsp; It never sits for more than =
a few days at a time, and gets the occasional 7+ gallons of charging =
whenever I get a chance.&nbsp; :)</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hork</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron =
Trademark)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress</FONT>
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Kirk Roy wrote:
> Has anyone tried those solar things that plug into cig lighters on cars? 

MCN tested one of those in an article a while back, and found the
output to be only a couple of milliamps.  They concluded it was a 
nice idea, but just not practical yet.

> It's not unusual when it's in the 20s (even 30s sometimes) to have to 
> jumpstart the bike... The battery is new this winter.

Are you using synthetic oil?  One of the (many) benefits I've found
is that cold-weather starting is greatly improved, the stuff isn't
nearly as gummy as dino juice in cold weather.

Hork

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Dale Horstman wrote:
> Kirk Roy wrote:
> > Has anyone tried those solar things that plug into cig lighters on cars? 
> 
> MCN tested one of those in an article a while back, and found the
> output to be only a couple of milliamps.  They concluded it was a 
> nice idea, but just not practical yet.

Dang...

> > It's not unusual when it's in the 20s (even 30s sometimes) to have to 
> > jumpstart the bike... The battery is new this winter.
> 
> Are you using synthetic oil?  One of the (many) benefits I've found
> is that cold-weather starting is greatly improved, the stuff isn't
> nearly as gummy as dino juice in cold weather.

But of course, Mobil 1...

Kirk


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You have to jump start the bike after it sits for only
a weekend?  You have a problem somewhere for sure.

--- Kirk Roy <kirk@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Roach wrote:
> > Bill's right on the mark with this one. If you
> keep a MC battery at full 
> > charge using a battery tender, its life will be
> greatly extended - especially 
> > if you normally would let it go dead during the
> winter (or even sit at a low 
> > charge by riding infrequently). 
> 
> This brings up a question I've had on getting my VTR
> to start better on mondays during the winter (bike
> sits only on weekends, used to commute 65 miles/day
> M-F). A battery tender would be tough in my current
> situation as I'm in a garageless townhouse and have
> to park the bike a fair bit from the house. :( Has
> anyone tried those solar things that plug into cig
> lighters on cars? It's not unusual when it's in the
> 20s (even 30s sometimes) to have to jumpstart the
> bike... The battery is new this winter.
> 
> Kirk
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Kirk Roy wrote:

> > Are you using synthetic oil?  One of the (many) benefits I've found
> > is that cold-weather starting is greatly improved, the stuff isn't
> > nearly as gummy as dino juice in cold weather.
> 
> But of course, Mobil 1...

Ok, that rules out that problem. 

Did you buy the battery mail order, or get it from a dealer,
who did the typical "fill and quick charge" thing?  I've heard
that unless you fill a battery and then put it on a slow, low
charge for several hours, it'll never get past 80% of it's full
charge.

When you said the battery sometimes requires a jumpstart
on cold mornings, does the battery spin the starter quickly
but not fire, or does the engine barely turn over?  Maybe
the bike is just cold-blooded...

Hork

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Dale Horstman wrote:
> Kirk Roy wrote:
> Did you buy the battery mail order, or get it from a dealer,
> who did the typical "fill and quick charge" thing?  I've heard
> that unless you fill a battery and then put it on a slow, low
> charge for several hours, it'll never get past 80% of it's full
> charge.

The current battery came from walmart but the original battery did the same thing. I did the charging on the new one/low amp charger.

> When you said the battery sometimes requires a jumpstart
> on cold mornings, does the battery spin the starter quickly
> but not fire, or does the engine barely turn over?  Maybe
> the bike is just cold-blooded...

The bike turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. Anyone else with a cold-blooded VTR? I'd hate to think how it would behave with high compression pistons...

Kirk


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On Tuesday 19 March 2002 11:10, Dale Horstman wrote:

> Did you buy the battery mail order, or get it from a dealer,
> who did the typical "fill and quick charge" thing?  I've heard
> that unless you fill a battery and then put it on a slow, low
> charge for several hours, it'll never get past 80% of it's full
> charge.

Wives tale. The installation instructions for batteries list the charging 
rate, and you can rapid charge most in an hour at ... 5A if memory serves me 
correctly (YUASA no-maint). The only timing issue that's really important is 
letting the acid soak into the plates for 30 minutes before the initial 
charging. 

- Roach

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I JUST bought a EverStart from Wal-mart.. It was one of those jobs where you
add the acid, let sit for 30 minutes, then trickle charge for 10 or so
hours... I haven't had a problem with it keeping charge.. It does register
about 12.86 volts at rest..

brian

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Dale Horstman wrote:
> Kirk Roy wrote:
> Did you buy the battery mail order, or get it from a dealer, who did 
> the typical "fill and quick charge" thing?  I've heard that unless you 
> fill a battery and then put it on a slow, low charge for several 
> hours, it'll never get past 80% of it's full charge.

The current battery came from walmart but the original battery did the same
thing. I did the charging on the new one/low amp charger.

> When you said the battery sometimes requires a jumpstart
> on cold mornings, does the battery spin the starter quickly but not 
> fire, or does the engine barely turn over?  Maybe the bike is just 
> cold-blooded...

The bike turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. Anyone else with a cold-blooded VTR? I'd
hate to think how it would behave with high compression pistons...

Kirk

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Kirk Roy [<A =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dale Horstman wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Kirk Roy wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Did you buy the battery mail order, or get it =
from a dealer, who did </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the typical &quot;fill and quick charge&quot; =
thing?&nbsp; I've heard that unless you </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; fill a battery and then put it on a slow, low =
charge for several </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; hours, it'll never get past 80% of it's full =
charge.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The current battery came from walmart but the =
original battery did the same thing. I did the charging on the new =
one/low amp charger.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; When you said the battery sometimes requires a =
jumpstart</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; on cold mornings, does the battery spin the =
starter quickly but not </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; fire, or does the engine barely turn =
over?&nbsp; Maybe the bike is just </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; cold-blooded...</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The bike turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. Anyone else with a =
cold-blooded VTR? I'd hate to think how it would behave with high =
compression pistons...</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Kirk</FONT>
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At 11:25 AM 3/19/2002, Brian Roach wrote:
>Wives tale. The installation instructions for batteries list the charging
>rate, and you can rapid charge most in an hour at ... 5A if memory serves me
>correctly (YUASA no-maint). The only timing issue that's really important is
>letting the acid soak into the plates for 30 minutes before the initial
>charging.

That may be true, but it isn't what the Yuasa instructions say (on the 
Wal-Mart version of their battery).  They ask for a slow charge overnight 
after the initial soak.


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Brian Roach wrote:

> Wives tale. The installation instructions for batteries list the charging
> rate, and you can rapid charge most in an hour at ... 5A if memory serves me
> correctly 

But if my 1-amp charger can produce bubbles in the electrolyte, won't
a 5A charge boil the heck out of the new battery?  This is a good thing?

I know quick-chargers are common in dealerships, but do they really
do the same job as well as a slow initial charge?  What dealer wouldn't
be happy selling a customer *another* battery in 2-3 years, as opposed
to 5-6 years?

> The only timing issue that's really important is letting the acid soak 
> into the plates for 30 minutes before the initial charging.

And do the service drones even bother doing this when your new battery
is behind the wall?  Dump the electolyte in, slap it on the quickie
battery fryer, install the newly crippled battery into the unsuspecting
customer's bike, and hope he's not pissed when it croaks 3 years later...

I guess maybe I just have trust issues with dealer mechanics...
thanks Mr. Coleman.  :)

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> "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote:
> 
> I JUST bought a EverStart from Wal-mart.. It was one of those jobs where
> you add the acid, let sit for 30 minutes, then trickle charge for 10 or
> so hours... I haven't had a problem with it keeping charge.. It does
> register about 12.86 volts at rest..

Those are the kind I prefer to buy.  Have had good luck so far.
They don't seem to carry anything in the Concours battery size,
fortunately haven't needed a replacement yet.

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> "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote:
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> I JUST bought a EverStart from Wal-mart.. It was one of those jobs where
> you add the acid, let sit for 30 minutes, then trickle charge for 10 or
> so hours... 

Leon suggests putting in the acid, letting sit for 30 minutes, then 
going for a 10 to 18 hour ride.   That sounds more fun.  :)

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Kirk Roy wrote:
> 
> The bike turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. Anyone else with a cold-blooded VTR? 
> I'd hate to think how it would behave with high compression pistons...

Do you have any accessories installed?  The Connie has a LCD
clock that's always on, but it doesn't seem to draw much power...
No onboard tire warmers?  No runaway fuel pumps?  No sneaky
ABS systems sucking the life out of your battery or anything?
Who knows what those hyper tech-frenzied Honda engineers have 
put on your bike without you knowing...  :)

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Dale Horstman wrote:
> Kirk Roy wrote:
> > 
> > The bike turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. Anyone else with a cold-blooded VTR? 
> > I'd hate to think how it would behave with high compression pistons...
> 
> Do you have any accessories installed?  The Connie has a LCD
> clock that's always on, but it doesn't seem to draw much power...
> No onboard tire warmers?  No runaway fuel pumps?  No sneaky
> ABS systems sucking the life out of your battery or anything?
> Who knows what those hyper tech-frenzied Honda engineers have 
> put on your bike without you knowing...  :)

Tire warmers? Those seem kind of unnecessary to me. I find that a modicum of rear brake takes care of any slipperiness due to cold temps. :)

Hmmm, I'm not so sure that the lightspeed generator isn't running at some level all the time. It might be... I'll have to check that.

Kirk


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--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Brian Roach wrote:
> 
> > Wives tale. The installation instructions for batteries list the
> charging
> > rate, and you can rapid charge most in an hour at ... 5A if memory
> serves me
> > correctly 
> 
> But if my 1-amp charger can produce bubbles in the electrolyte, won't
> a 5A charge boil the heck out of the new battery?  This is a good
> thing?

I guess Brian has experience that contradicts mine. I've fried 2
batteries now, one new, one older by charging with a 2A charger. I
believe there is a reason why all the product literature says not to
exceed 10% of VA rating (the number part of the product name, 14A, 16S,
18B2 etc). I'm going to buy a proper trickle-charger for future use.

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This makes a good argument for buying a less expensive battery rather than
some "diehard" at twice the price... engineering is engineering and
car/marine/MC batts have to adhere to a recognized industry standard.

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Four basic style vehicle batterys:  Car - marine - HD marine - M/C
(lawnmower
etc).  The main differance is the space betwixt the plates.   Less space
means a
discharge to dead will cause problems.  An M/C battery is very compact, so
if
you kill that bugger you might as well go shopping for a new one, you'll
need it
soon.  Also, the lack of space means less life in service, plates sulphate
up
and battery starts gasping.   A car battery has more amps and more space,
probably good for 5 years - had one last ten.  A marine battery with the
same
amps as a car battery is bigger with more plate space, built for more abuse
since boats are intermintantly used (like some M/Cs) and the battery has to
withstand abuse.  HD marine, called deep discharge, has a lot of space and
can
be drained to the limit and will take a recharge.  This style is used to run
electric trolling motors and the like.

Also, the plates on a compact M/C battery are thinner and contribute to the
short life.  3 years is a good alert time.  I use to burn one every two
years in
my old Suzuki.  My last M/C battery lasted 3 years, new one is getting TLC
with
a battery tender.   I'm going for a record!

Bill

Bruhl, George LT wrote:

> I read this once in Popular Mechanics.
>
> The physical characteristic of a battery is such that the plates are
usually
> depleted by year 3 (as a rule).  In other words the batts would have to be
> heavier, bigger  (because of plate size) to go beyond year 3.  Now... I've
> had batts last into year 4 and even 5.  But, do you know what...  why
strand
> yourself in the "out years" when at year 3  purchasing a new batt will
> probably not strand you someplace and some late hour, when you least need
> the hassle(Murphy's law).

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Kirk Roy wrote:
> 
> Hmmm, I'm not so sure that the lightspeed generator isn't 
> running at some level all the time. It might be... I'll 
> have to check that.

Good luck, *something* has to be sucking the gas out
of the thank so fast, right?  :)

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MC batteries usually last only 2 to 3 years because the plates are small.  
The serviceable life is also comprimised if you overcook them (trying to 
keep your RR from putting in a little overtime hahahahahaha -- that's rich) 
but...  you can over charge them to a point were you are actually doing more 
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A dead battery will require higher level of charging.  This makes R/R work
harder when bike is running.  Consequently making a lot more heat.  Most R/R
die from prolong heat cycles(they do get really hot).


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> > "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote:
> >
> > And from some of the articles i've been reading, a bad or dead battery
> > can adversely affect the regulator/rectifier.
>
> Really?  Can you provide a link to some of those articles?  I'm
> curious.  I didn't realize a dead/dying battery did anything other
> than make a kick starter a really nice feature to have.  I kind of
> miss kicking the old KZ to life every now and then.  Nursed that
> thing along with a weak battery the first 6 months I had it.
>
> I had planss of seeing how long I can keep the current '98 Connie
> OEM battery going.  It never sits for more than a few days at a
> time, and gets the occasional 7+ gallons of charging whenever
> I get a chance.  :)
>
> Hork
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Kirk Roy wrote:

>
>
>>When you said the battery sometimes requires a jumpstart
>>on cold mornings, does the battery spin the starter quickly
>>but not fire, or does the engine barely turn over?  Maybe
>>the bike is just cold-blooded...
>>
>
>The bike turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. Anyone else with a cold-blooded VTR? I'd hate to think how it would behave with high compression pistons...
>
I've noticed on cold mornings (35-40), the first coupla cranks are slow, 
but then she cranks normally.  I've heard VTRs will behave  this way 
(above), but I think you've got other issues.  Does it POP when it 
finally fires up?

Tom De '98 VTR


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  <pre wrap=""><!----><br>The bike turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. Anyone else with a cold-blooded VTR? I'd hate to think how it would behave with high compression pistons...<br><br></pre>
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I've noticed on cold mornings (35-40), the first coupla cranks are slow,
but then she cranks normally. &nbsp;I've heard VTRs will behave&nbsp; this way (above),
but I think you've got other issues. &nbsp;Does it POP when it finally fires up?<br>
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From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
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"Bruhl, George LT" wrote:
> 
> This makes a good argument for buying a less expensive battery rather than
> some "diehard" at twice the price... 

What's even scarier is when you realize the huge percentage
of batteries that are made by Yuasa, and sold under other
brand names, at widely varying prices.

"All your batteries are belong to us."   =8^o

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From: "Rob Keiser" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>
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Take an extra dose of patience pills before you try mounting the bracket and 
clamp that goes around the pipe.  It can be tricky.

You may want to have some sealant ready, but no other parts should be 
required.  Micron uses a smaller diameter S-Pipe on their Hi mount pipes, so 
the OEM gasket won't work.

Looking foward to hearing/seeing it at the next Bike Night!

Rob
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Subject: Micron pipe install question...
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:06:42 -0500



			All,

			I finally decided to upgrade the pipe on my 2000
VFR.  It was a tough choice between the Staintune (My favorite) and Micron
slip-ons.  I ended up with the Micron because of a couple of reasons - their
pipes are significantly less expensive (I was comparing the carbon-fiber)
and I liked the fact that the Micron could be repacked. (Just because
Staintune says theirs would never need it, I wasn't so sure...)  Another
smaller consideration was that Micron was carried by AZ motorsports.

			Anyhow, I got what I thought was a great deal from
AZ motorsports.  I wanted a High mount, carbon fiber can - but they emailed
me back with an offer of $374 for a high mount titanium.  I thought that was
a great deal (over $100 less) and went for it. (new systems with new logo)

			My question for the list is, when mounting the new
Micron is there any thing special I may need that does not come with the
system? (Gaskets, washers, sealant)  I'm expecting the pipe tomorrow, and
hope to have everything I need to mount it ready to go.

			Thanks for the advice - I'll post a review of the Ti
can once I get it installed.

			Please CC cledford@XXXXXX with any replies as I'm a
digest member of both lists.

			-Calvin Ledford
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http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/tech/rectifier.htm

Here's a good link to help answer some of these vexing questions.

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OK.  This is now completely out of control.  All this lovey-dovey talk is
just going to make be barf.  Where's a moderator when you need one???  Can
we talk about front vs. rear brake, regular vs. synthetic oil?  Guns?
Anything EXCEPT Chris and Sally's wedding!!!  AAARGH!!! %^)

If you carry your fiancM-ie on the back, does the weight transfer mean more
front braking or less? :)

Cedric

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Tom de wrote:
> Kirk Roy wrote:
> >The bike turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. Anyone else with a cold-blooded VTR? I'd
> > hate to think how it would behave with high compression pistons...
> >
> I've noticed on cold mornings (35-40), the first coupla cranks are slow, 
> but then she cranks normally. 

Yeah, that's what it usually does but sometimes it never gets to the "normally" part...

> I've heard VTRs will behave  this way (above), but I think you've got other
> issues.  Does it POP when it finally fires up?

Yes, sometimes it pops...

Kirk


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broberso@XXXXXX writes:
> I have contacted EverStart and they are shipping me the correct nut
>and bolt combo.. (the battery I bought was missing the hardware)..

I have plenty of them (standard/common sizes) if you don't want to wait.
First pair free.  DC, near zoo.

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I don't understand what all the fuss is about.  Dont' you just go to the store and buy another pack of AA's??? %^)

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Tom de wrote:

> Kirk Roy wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > When you said the battery sometimes requires a jumpstart
>> > on cold mornings, does the battery spin the starter quickly
>> > but not fire, or does the engine barely turn over?  Maybe
>> > the bike is just cold-blooded...
>> >
>> The bike turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. Anyone else with a cold-blooded
>> VTR? I'd hate to think how it would behave with high compression
>> pistons...
>>
>>
> I've noticed on cold mornings (35-40), the first coupla cranks are
> slow, but then she cranks normally.  I've heard VTRs will behave  this
> way (above), but I think you've got other issues.  Does it POP when it
> finally fires up?
>
> Tom De '98 VTR

Heh heh.  Try lumping over a Harley using 20W-50W sludge at squat-to-pee
temps.  It's like *rump* pause *rump*. pause *rump*.  Even when it fires
it chuffs like an old geezer hefting up a 300# babe to carry her into
the motel room.

Bill


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I've noticed on cold mornings (35-40), the first coupla cranks are slow,
but then she cranks normally.&nbsp; I've heard VTRs will behave&nbsp; this
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Heh heh.&nbsp; Try lumping over a Harley using 20W-50W sludge at squat-to-pee
temps.&nbsp; It's like *rump* pause *rump*. pause *rump*.&nbsp; Even when
it fires it chuffs like an old geezer hefting up a 300# babe to carry her
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Bruhl, George LT wrote:

> This makes a good argument for buying a less expensive battery rather than
> some "diehard" at twice the price... engineering is engineering and
> car/marine/MC batts have to adhere to a recognized industry standard.

Diehard M/C batterys are made by Yuasa.  And they don't have the *diehard*
warrenty that makes the car batterys enticing.  My Diehard died with a plaintive
whimper after a couple years.

Bill


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Genna Melamed wrote:

> A dead battery will require higher level of charging.  This makes R/R work
> harder when bike is running.  Consequently making a lot more heat.  Most R/R
> die from prolong heat cycles(they do get really hot).
>

That's why they have cooling fins.  Of course I forget, the japs bury the RR
under cute fairings and such.  And I've seen a few H-Ds with add-on ***chrome***
RR covers.  Whoa, like the smart never stops!

Bill
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even with cooling fins...  they don't work very well in traffic...(no air is
moved over them).  And if battery is bad, it will still be charging at idle


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>
>
> Genna Melamed wrote:
>
> > A dead battery will require higher level of charging.  This makes R/R
work
> > harder when bike is running.  Consequently making a lot more heat.  Most
R/R
> > die from prolong heat cycles(they do get really hot).
> >
>
> That's why they have cooling fins.  Of course I forget, the japs bury the
RR
> under cute fairings and such.  And I've seen a few H-Ds with add-on
***chrome***
> RR covers.  Whoa, like the smart never stops!
>
> Bill
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The point I'm making is that in well designed, well maintained charging
system, this is a non-issue.

However, in poorly designed/maintained system, this could push r/r over the
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> even with cooling fins...  they don't work very well in traffic...(no air
is
> moved over them).  And if battery is bad, it will still be charging at
idle
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> > Genna Melamed wrote:
> >
> > > A dead battery will require higher level of charging.  This makes R/R
> work
> > > harder when bike is running.  Consequently making a lot more heat.
Most
> R/R
> > > die from prolong heat cycles(they do get really hot).
> > >
> >
> > That's why they have cooling fins.  Of course I forget, the japs bury
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> RR
> > under cute fairings and such.  And I've seen a few H-Ds with add-on
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At 02:28 PM 3/19/2002, William J. Huson wrote:

....  Even when it fires it chuffs like an old geezer hefting up a 300# 
babe to carry her into the motel room.

Now *there's* the antidote to all this Sally and Chris fluff. Happy now, 
Chuck?  8;)

-- Larry





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	I'm thinking about getting the Joe Rocket Meteor 3.0 jacket to
replace my old tour master cortech.  The problem with my cortech is that the
vents have a flap which closes all the time and so no air goes through the
vents, even when the zippers on them are open.  The Meteor has stays or
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vents right?  How is this jacket in the summer (does it get hot at 70
degrees? 80 degrees) and the winter?  I'm assuming it'll be as good as my
cortech in the winter and because of the venting, be better in the summer.
Thanks for any replies.

han

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At 05:25 PM 3/19/2002, Han Park wrote:
>         I'm thinking about getting the Joe Rocket Meteor 3.0 jacket to
>replace my old tour master cortech.  The problem with my cortech is that the
>vents have a flap which closes all the time and so no air goes through the
>vents, even when the zippers on them are open.  The Meteor has stays or
>velcro or something to keep the flaps open so that air can go through the
>vents right?  How is this jacket in the summer (does it get hot at 70
>degrees? 80 degrees) and the winter?

The Meteor is the short-waited version of the JR Ballistic. Yes, the vents 
stay open well.

OTOH, I find that the Ballistic/Meteor is fine from 35-65 degF, but is too 
warm for anything over 65. Once it gets over 65, I prefer the JR Atomic; 
when it's ridiculously hot, the Phoenix. I do almost all my riding in one 
of the three, and by far the most in the Atomic.

If you really want it for nice weather riding, I'd recommend the Atomic as 
the best single jacket.

-- Larry






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21 reviews of the Joe rocket Meteor can be found here:

http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com/reviews.php?prodID=401

dave


On 3/19/02 5:25 PM, "Han Park" <hpark@XXXXXX> wrote:

> I'm thinking about getting the Joe Rocket Meteor 3.0 jacket to
> replace my old tour master cortech.  The problem with my cortech is that the
> vents have a flap which closes all the time and so no air goes through the
> vents, even when the zippers on them are open.  The Meteor has stays or
> velcro or something to keep the flaps open so that air can go through the
> vents right?  How is this jacket in the summer (does it get hot at 70
> degrees? 80 degrees) and the winter?  I'm assuming it'll be as good as my
> cortech in the winter and because of the venting, be better in the summer.
> Thanks for any replies.
> 
> han
> 


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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:57:25 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Kirk Roy wrote:
>
> Hmmm, I'm not so sure that the lightspeed generator isn't
> running at some level all the time. It might be... I'll
> have to check that.

Good luck, *something* has to be sucking the gas out
of the thank so fast, right?  :)

Hork
---------------------------------------------------------
Hmmmm....a poorly veiled jab at the conservate gasoline needs of the VTR?

How about cranking amperes.  I've seen super-whiz-bang batteries for most
applications (very expensive) that promise some higher number of cold
cranking amps.  Any of you battery brains care to touch this one?

Cold Cranking Amps.  I just love the assurance of those words strung
together like that ;-)

Todd (Springfield, VA)


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Todd Peer wrote:

> How about cranking amperes.  I've seen super-whiz-bang batteries for most
> applications (very expensive) that promise some higher number of cold
> cranking amps.  Any of you battery brains care to touch this one?
>
> Cold Cranking Amps.  I just love the assurance of those words strung
> together like that ;-)
>
> Todd (Springfield, VA)

CCA is supposed to indicate the battery muscle at some test temp (?).  Your
handy owners manual for the cages usually indicate the prefered CCA for the
vehicle.  And you're right, more CCA = more $$$.

My usual male chauvinist thang is buy the best dang battery I can get for
Milady's car and balance the budget buying on-sale specials for my
junkmobiles.

Bill


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Spoke with Kevin Elliott today.

Rausch is a definite no go for this year.

Licenses are currently being produced (they are up to the "B's"), and
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If you haven't heard already, Lockhart Phillips, USA is the CCS series
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Was the person I saw riding a cruiser on S.395 at about 10:30pm. tonight a 
D.C. lister?
If so... man you have to be crazy to ride on a nasty night like this!
 (By the way I was the guy on the ST1100 who waved as he went by)  #:-) >
Sanity sucks anyhow.


John Walters (Long John)
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    (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European 
      is now necessary {and I still like it.})
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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In a message dated 3/19/2002 1:17:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
bernescut@XXXXXX writes:

> If you carry your fiancM-ie on the back, does the weight transfer mean more
>  front braking or less? :)

MORE! 
I used to be able to tell you a girls bra size after just one or two stops.

But that was a long time ago. (Hi honey)

John.
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX

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For all of you fitness experts out there:

White Line Fever
by John Bingham  
Believe it or not, the human machine can equal the power of a Harley   

http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1300,2-137-0-914,00.html

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Running ROCKS!!!
Endorphins - the body's natural heroin. ;-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote:
> For all of you fitness experts out there:
> 
> White Line Fever
> by John Bingham  
> Believe it or not, the human machine can equal the
> power of a Harley   
> 
>
http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1300,2-137-0-914,00.html


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> Believe it or not, the human machine can equal the power of a Harley   

And it leaks less oil.

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Kirk Roy wrote:

>Tom de wrote:
>
>>Kirk Roy wrote:
>>
>>>The bike turns over S-L-O-W-L-Y. Anyone else with a cold-blooded VTR? I'd
>>>hate to think how it would behave with high compression pistons...
>>>
>>I've noticed on cold mornings (35-40), the first coupla cranks are slow, 
>>but then she cranks normally. 
>>
>
>Yeah, that's what it usually does but sometimes it never gets to the "normally" part...
>
 And have you tested the charging system (with a multimeter)?  It 
definatally sounds like a weak battery, but if the battery is new, then 
maybe your charging system is suspect.

>
>>I've heard VTRs will behave  this way (above), but I think you've got other
>>issues.  Does it POP when it finally fires up?
>>
>
>Yes, sometimes it pops...
>
Um.  I've only read about this, but sometimes the carb will leak fuel 
into the engine when the bike is at rest.  Compressing liquid is 
difficult, and can cause damage.  I'm over my head here, maybe someone 
with more knowledge can address this.  

>
>
>Kirk
>
Tom De. '98 VTR

-- 
Tom De Boeser					tom.deboeser@XXXXXX
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That's true but, you still have to put the same amount of fluids into the body as you do a Harley.  ;-)

Scooter

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> 
> > Believe it or not, the human machine can equal the power of a Harley   
> 
> And it leaks less oil.



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Tom de wrote:

> Um.  I've only read about this, but sometimes the carb will leak fuel
> into the engine when the bike is at rest.  Compressing liquid is
> difficult, and can cause damage.  I'm over my head here, maybe someone
> with more knowledge can address this.

Liquids don't compress.   If the cylinder is full of gas the engien won't turn over at all.
In fact, it doesn't have to be full, just enough to exceed the combustion chamber volume
will lock the engine.

Bill


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On the back?!? No way, man. Neither of us prefer that
to her riding her own YZF. :^)

Chris

> bernescut@XXXXXX writes:
> 
> > If you carry your fiancM-ie on the back, does the
> weight transfer mean more
> >  front braking or less? :)


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Jon Strang wrote:

> > Believe it or not, the human machine can equal the power of a Harley
>
> And it leaks less oil.

speak for yourself, young man.  At my age I tend to leak a lot, no rest
stop escapes unpissed.

Bill - way too much coffee...


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Once a woman starts riding on her own, riding bitch
just doesn't sit well anymore. ;-)

- Jeannette 
  '86 VFR 700F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

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> to her riding her own YZF. :^)
> 
> Chris
> 


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I have a question about license plates:
I bought a motorcycle and a cage, got them registered in VA.  Then, I
ordered personalized plates for both.  They came with new stickers and
everything.  Question is, what do I do with the old plates?  Throw them
away?  Return them to DMV?

Cliff

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I believe VA requires you to return them to DMV.  I know MD and DC does.  You'll probably get a notice about it.

Scooter

In a message dated Wed, 20 Mar 2002  9:24:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Cliff Zigmond" <cliffzig@XXXXXX> writes:

> I have a question about license plates:
> I bought a motorcycle and a cage, got them registered in VA.  Then, I
> ordered personalized plates for both.  They came with new stickers and
> everything.  Question is, what do I do with the old plates?  Throw them
> away?  Return them to DMV?
> 
> Cliff



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That would be my guess, too.  It wasn't always the case, but the DMV sometimes gets very anal about the plates (and sometimes they send me two renewal stickers for one motorcycle plate ... go figure!).

Don't get rid of the old plates, and when you send them back be sure to get a receipt of mailing.

Chris Norloff

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>I believe VA requires you to return them to DMV.  I know MD and DC does.  You'll probably get a notice about it.
>
>Scooter
>
>In a message dated Wed, 20 Mar 2002  9:24:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Cliff Zigmond" <cliffzig@XXXXXX> writes:
>
>> I have a question about license plates:
>> I bought a motorcycle and a cage, got them registered in VA.  Then, I
>> ordered personalized plates for both.  They came with new stickers and
>> everything.  Question is, what do I do with the old plates?  Throw them
>> away?  Return them to DMV?
>> 
>> Cliff
>
>
>

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Always just chucked mine.  Only required to return if you are due some kind
of refund.


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> I believe VA requires you to return them to DMV.  I know MD and DC does.
You'll probably get a notice about it.
>
> Scooter
>
> In a message dated Wed, 20 Mar 2002  9:24:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
"Cliff Zigmond" <cliffzig@XXXXXX> writes:
>
> > I have a question about license plates:
> > I bought a motorcycle and a cage, got them registered in VA.  Then, I
> > ordered personalized plates for both.  They came with new stickers and
> > everything.  Question is, what do I do with the old plates?  Throw them
> > away?  Return them to DMV?
> >
> > Cliff
>
>


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Suggestions:

a) Put one on the back of your track bike (250cc 2 stroke or better) so you
can ride it to bike night.  It's not Glebe, it's your own personal VIR.
b) Stick one on the back of a KX or CR 500; go riding on I-66 (or 95) during
rush hour.  They're not cars, they're stadium-sized whoop-de-dos.
c) Put one on your ass, go jogging on the weekend.  see how many harleys and
gold wings you can pass.  (it's like heroin, I hear)
d) put one on the back of a Beta or Gas Gas trials bike.  Get someone in
full off-road gear to tape a number plate to their back and run alongside to
yell at you as you hop from car to car during rush hour gridlock in downtown
DC.
e) Bring one to church, give thanks that it is not a MD or DC tag. <sorry,
couldn't resist>
f) Stick one on a 2002 RM250.  Put a "199" number plate on the front and
trim the rear fender.  Practice your freestyle mx moves in the middle of the
various traffic circles around DC.  (Then buy a parachute, find a canyon.)
g) Do above, see how long it takes for Anne Arundel county to start
harrassing you about what you do with a bulldozer on your privately owned
land.
h) Go to DMV to return your plates.  See if you can cut through your wrist
before they call your name.

--jon



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cliff Zigmond [mailto:cliffzig@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:12 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: License plate question
>
>
> I have a question about license plates:
> I bought a motorcycle and a cage, got them registered in VA.  Then, I
> ordered personalized plates for both.  They came with new stickers and
> everything.  Question is, what do I do with the old plates?  Throw them
> away?  Return them to DMV?
>
> Cliff
>


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Cliff Zigmond wrote:

> I have a question about license plates:
> I bought a motorcycle and a cage, got them registered in VA.  Then, I
> ordered personalized plates for both.  They came with new stickers and
> everything.  Question is, what do I do with the old plates?  Throw them
> away?  Return them to DMV?
>
> Cliff

I hang them on the garage wall.

Bill


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Most state laws say if you have the tags, you have to have insurance on
them, so if they're not going on another vehicle they should go back to MVA.
You can also take them to your local police station.  Either way make sure
you get a written reciept for them and hang onto that for a while... VA
seems to do a lot more of those random insurance checks (they mail you a
form and you have to submit proof of insurance for whatever tag on whatever
day, usually way in the past) than DC and MD do.  I've had this happen to me
a couple of times, usually I just call the insurance guy and make him fill
out the form. But if you can't prove you did not have the tags in question,
you get hit with a fine.

Patti the Lantech
'95 Virago 750

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PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> If so... man you have to be crazy to ride on a nasty night like this!
>  (By the way I was the guy on the ST1100 who waved as he went by)  #:-) >
> Sanity sucks anyhow.

I'm turning into a wuss.  I've driven the "rain bike" to
work twice this week.  I don't mind riding in rain, but
it just seems so silly to leave the house on a bike in
the rain when the cage is sitting right there.

Hork

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Keep them so you can slap them on an imported gray market 2-stroke GP replica!

Original Message:
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From: Cliff Zigmond cliffzig@XXXXXX
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:12:13 -0500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: License plate question


I have a question about license plates:
I bought a motorcycle and a cage, got them registered in VA.  Then, I
ordered personalized plates for both.  They came with new stickers and
everything.  Question is, what do I do with the old plates?  Throw them
away?  Return them to DMV?

Cliff

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Reading in digest mode, so apologies for tardy replies.

Re: riding in the recent wet/cold weather.  I've been riding the '83 Honda
Interceptor for a couple of weeks now, and it's been fine in the rain.  Enough
speed while it's wet washes the crud off nicely, just don't do it with a State
Trooper behind you... 8-(  At first I was really worried by the oil slicks I
could see on some stretches, but the new Bridgestones haven't slipped at all
(except when I lock up the rear brake, then it's a 'predictable' sort of
slippage...).

New pipe: I installed the Laser 4-1 system with "race" can (only two options,
race or street, I took the plunge) and so far I like it.  Sounds a like a
high-compression Chevy V-8 now, or perhaps a bit like a Harley.  One thing I did
notice is that I can get it to backfire pretty easily, is this a sign I'm
running too rich?  I've never re-jetted, but some PO may have done so;
alternatively, backfiring may have been masked by the stock 4-1-2 system.  I'm
getting some soot on the pipe where the canister slips over it, so in addition
to needing to use more sealant this may indicate it's running too rich.

Happy first day of spring to all!

Robert Verde




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LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote:

> Believe it or not, the human machine can equal the power of a Harley

I think the Harley's still have the edge in torque, though.  :)

Hork
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Riding in the rain can be no big deal:
If you prepare for it by buying a well faired, easy to clean, comfortable 
bike, with waterproof luggage compartments. Shaft drive or belt drive bikes 
are probably easier because there is no chain to clean. I've seen lots of 
kinds of bikes in rainy weather on my commute up 395, but the regulars seem 
to be: at least one other Honda Pacific Coast, at least one Concours, 
several ST-1100s, various Harleys, a (very) few Gold Wings, several well 
faired big cruisers, lots of  BMW's, and a few Triumphs. Riding in the rain 
means you must: ride conservatively with no high speeds on curves; have good 
tires; and have waterproof and warm gloves. It helps if you have free 
parking at work! It makes sense if  it takes 30 minutes by motorcycle and 
over an hour by Metro and bus. You've got to have a waterproof riding suit 
(like my Firstgear). I can wear my suit and tie under mine, but usually wear 
warm sweats (in winter) and change at work. It helps if you have a private 
office or changing area at work.
Bottom line: if you know you are going to do it and prepare for it, riding 
in the rain can be done quite comfortably.




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When I switched to personalized/Specialty plates, (NRA plate, PRO-2ND --
Trying to start another gun thread :-) I just kept the old ones.  They're
hanging in the garage with my old Illinois & Mississppi plates.  I figure if
VA wanted 'em back they would say so in big, bold letters somewhere.

--Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Zigmond" <cliffzig@XXXXXX>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 09:12
Subject: License plate question


> I have a question about license plates:
> I bought a motorcycle and a cage, got them registered in VA.  Then, I
> ordered personalized plates for both.  They came with new stickers and
> everything.  Question is, what do I do with the old plates?  Throw them
> away?  Return them to DMV?
>
> Cliff
>


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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Jim Shoemaker wrote:
> 
> When I switched to personalized/Specialty plates, (NRA plate, PRO-2ND --
> Trying to start another gun thread :-) I just kept the old ones.  They're
> hanging in the garage with my old Illinois & Mississppi plates.  I figure if
> VA wanted 'em back they would say so in big, bold letters somewhere.

Knowing VA though -- they'd probably just quietly suspend your driving 
privs and rake you over the coals the next time you come in to re-register. 



(FWIW, I've never returned plates I've replaced either. )




--
Dan Brown 
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$2975!  This is your last chance before she goes in the Washington Post. :-)

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Lantech (DCOP) wrote:

> Most state laws say if you have the tags, you have to have insurance on
> them, so if they're not going on another vehicle they should go back to MVA.
> You can also take them to your local police station.  Either way make sure
> you get a written reciept for them and hang onto that for a while... VA
> seems to do a lot more of those random insurance checks (they mail you a
> form and you have to submit proof of insurance for whatever tag on whatever
> day, usually way in the past) than DC and MD do.  I've had this happen to me
> a couple of times, usually I just call the insurance guy and make him fill
> out the form. But if you can't prove you did not have the tags in question,
> you get hit with a fine.
>
> Patti the Lantech
> '95 Virago 750

Yes, I do believe that would be true in North Carolina.  No insurance, no tag,
and  yo' ass was in depp do-do if you let the insurance lapse.  A state trooper
would hunt your ride down and remove the tag.

Bill


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The best reason to turn in your old Va. plates is that you get a pro-rated
refund on your registration fee.  Dropped them at the DMV and got the little
checkie in the mail a few weeks later.  That's what I did when we moved to
DC.
OK, I'm cheap....

Paul in DC

----- Original Message -----
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> Suggestions:
>
> a) Put one on the back of your track bike (250cc 2 stroke or better) so
you
> can ride it to bike night.  It's not Glebe, it's your own personal VIR....



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damn...  I was hoping it wasn't true, but, I got my Allstate renewal 
this month,  & with no other changes (no tickets, accidents, claims, 
etc...)  my premium went from $280 / year full coverage to $1130 / 
year full coverage...  So, I called the agent & sure enough, 
"allstate isn't writing any new policies for sport bikes"  
They're "actively trying to discourage all sportbike policies".  

SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11.  Anyone (northern 
VA preferred) have any reccomendations ? ?  ?

Thanks,

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At 02:03 PM 3/20/2002, Paul Wilson wrote:
>The best reason to turn in your old Va. plates is that you get a pro-rated
>refund on your registration fee.  Dropped them at the DMV and got the little
>checkie in the mail a few weeks later.  That's what I did when we moved to
>DC.
>OK, I'm cheap....
>
>Paul in DC

You get that anyway.

I have never taken the time to return plates.  Fold in half and toss. Still 
have my pre-personalized bike plates and old truck plates on the wall.

On the rain issue - I haven't ben riding 'cause I have a couple of dirt 
roads on my path now.  Being wet is one thing.  Being muddy is another.



___________________________________________
     Mike Troutman
          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

         1997 Honda VFR 750
         AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA



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Give State Farm a call.  I've been happy with them for the last several 
years, or so.  Car, bike, and home.

Rob
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damn...  I was hoping it wasn't true, but, I got my Allstate renewal
this month,  & with no other changes (no tickets, accidents, claims,
etc...)  my premium went from $280 / year full coverage to $1130 /
year full coverage...  So, I called the agent & sure enough,
"allstate isn't writing any new policies for sport bikes"
They're "actively trying to discourage all sportbike policies".

SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11.  Anyone (northern
VA preferred) have any reccomendations ? ?  ?

Thanks,

Dave Yates


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How much was that check for?

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] 
Sent:	Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:03 PM
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The best reason to turn in your old Va. plates is that you get a pro-rated
refund on your registration fee.  Dropped them at the DMV and got the little
checkie in the mail a few weeks later.  That's what I did when we moved to
DC.
OK, I'm cheap....

Paul in DC

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Roger that.  My Pacific Coast is a fantastic commuter bike.

Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Doug Allis" <dhallis@XXXXXX>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:40:27 

>Riding in the rain can be no big deal:
>If you prepare for it by buying a well faired, easy to clean, comfortable 
>bike, with waterproof luggage compartments. Shaft drive or belt drive bikes 
>are probably easier because there is no chain to clean. I've seen lots of 
>kinds of bikes in rainy weather on my commute up 395, but the regulars seem 
>to be: at least one other Honda Pacific Coast, at least one Concours, 
>several ST-1100s, various Harleys, a (very) few Gold Wings, several well 
>faired big cruisers, lots of  BMW's, and a few Triumphs. Riding in the rain 
>means you must: ride conservatively with no high speeds on curves; have good 
>tires; and have waterproof and warm gloves. It helps if you have free 
>parking at work! It makes sense if  it takes 30 minutes by motorcycle and 
>over an hour by Metro and bus. You've got to have a waterproof riding suit 
>(like my Firstgear). I can wear my suit and tie under mine, but usually wear 
>warm sweats (in winter) and change at work. It helps if you have a private 
>office or changing area at work.
>Bottom line: if you know you are going to do it and prepare for it, riding 
>in the rain can be done quite comfortably.
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Allis" <dhallis@XXXXXX>

> Riding in the rain can be no big deal:
> If you prepare for it by buying a well faired, easy to clean, comfortable
> bike, with waterproof luggage compartments. ...
> Bottom line: if you know you are going to do it and prepare for it, riding
> in the rain can be done quite comfortably.


I agree.  Rainy commutes are no big deal and enormously preferable to the
alternative, public transportation.  SWMBO retains use of our sole
automobile.  I Metroed (is that a verb?) to a trade show this morning and
was instantly reminded why I ride to work in all weather.  Public
transportation is simply a soul-crushing experience on a daily basis.  At
least it is to me, compounded by a mild case of claustrophobia.  Just doing
into those tunnels gives me the willies, not to mention the crowds and cars
stuffed to the gills.  I did it the first six months we lived here.  Never
again.  I started riding a bicycle to work and then graduated to a
motorcycle after about four months and never looked back.

This winter I got a beater bike to ride in the rain.  The bike has a small
fairing, crappy tires and a feeble rear shock, but, hey, it's only a
twenty-thirty minute ride.  You can put up with a lot in that time frame.
Now, if only the cagers would learn how to drive in the rain. <sigh>  And
why is it that people manage to get their POS cars to limp along the whole
length of 395, only to have them crap out on the 14th St. Bridge?

Paul in DC



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Whatever the "unused" portion of your registration fee is.  Pro-rated by the
month, I think.  We got some deal another time in VA when I had a car that
was totaled.  I got the plates from the storage yard and turned them in for
a refund.  I didn't want those beat up plates on our new vehicle anyway.

Paul in DC

----- Original Message -----
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> How much was that check for?
>



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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

> SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11.  Anyone (northern
> VA preferred) have any reccomendations ? ?  ?

State Farm has very competitive rates, and no surcharges for sportbikes.
I'd refer you to my agent, whom I love and adore, but she's in MD and
can't write policies for VA.

Fish.


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Dave,

I echo Rob's sentiments on State Farm.. I've had them for 6 years.. I'm
currently in their mutual company and they sure do treat you right.
Premiums are average and service is GREAT.  BTW - it would probably help if
you could transfer your cars and home to them at the same time.. I think
your premiums may be better.. 

Brian

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:12 PM
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damn...  I was hoping it wasn't true, but, I got my Allstate renewal 
this month,  & with no other changes (no tickets, accidents, claims, 
etc...)  my premium went from $280 / year full coverage to $1130 / 
year full coverage...  So, I called the agent & sure enough, 
"allstate isn't writing any new policies for sport bikes"  
They're "actively trying to discourage all sportbike policies".  

SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11.  Anyone (northern 
VA preferred) have any reccomendations ? ?  ?

Thanks,

Dave Yates   


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I echo Rob's sentiments on State Farm.. I've had them =
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BTW - it would probably help if you could transfer your cars and home =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: sdave@XXXXXX [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sdave@XXXXXX">mailto:sdave@XXXXXX</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:12 PM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>damn...&nbsp; I was hoping it wasn't true, but, I got =
my Allstate renewal </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this month,&nbsp; &amp; with no other changes (no =
tickets, accidents, claims, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>etc...)&nbsp; my premium went from $280 / year full =
coverage to $1130 / </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>year full coverage...&nbsp; So, I called the agent =
&amp; sure enough, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;allstate isn't writing any new policies for =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>They're &quot;actively trying to discourage all =
sportbike policies&quot;.&nbsp; </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>SO... now I need to find insurance for my old =
ZX11.&nbsp; Anyone (northern </FONT>
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>>Knowing VA though -- they'd probably just quietly suspend your driving 
privs and rake you over the coals the next time you come in to re-register. 


That happened to me, when I moved from VA to MD. About 6 years later VA sent
one of their insurance compliance checks to my old address, it never got
forwarded, I was summoned to court (also sent to the old address, also never
forwarded), I had a bench warrant issued, I had no clue until I had to get a
duplicate drivers license from MD.  Thankfully I did not get arrested but my
license was actually revoked, I had to take the entire driving test again
after fighting the infernal VA paperwork system.  Still had to prove that I
had returned the VA tags to MD and that I had VA insurance the whole time I
lived there.

So it'll probably never happen to you; I'm always the exception.  But why
take the chance? It's a complete and total nightmare even when you follow
the rules.

Patti the Lantech
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In a message dated 3/20/02 2:56:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> > SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11.  Anyone (northern
> > VA preferred) have any reccomendations ? ?  ?
> 
> State Farm has very competitive rates, and no surcharges for sportbikes.
> I'd refer you to my agent, whom I love and adore, but she's in MD and
> can't write policies for VA.

Tomas McHugh 703-818-8100.  He's my State Farm agent in Virginia.

Keener

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Dave,

If you're also willing to switch over you car insurance coverage, I know Farmers will underwrite your motorcycle too.  Usually at very competitive pricing.  My agent is Will Frix (703) 437-4181.  I've been with Farmers now for both my home and car insurance for quite a while and have been very happy.  Switched my home (then condo, now actual home owners) insurance when Geico stopped underwriting such insurance.  The carrier Geico was referring me to wanted an outrageous premium.  Switched my car insurance to Farmers when I bought our Trooper because they could offer better coverage and premium.  Getting inexpensive m/c coverage was icing on the cake!  Of course, YMMV.  Probably higher premiums for those who insist on using their rear brake! %^)

Chuck

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:11:38 -0500
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Subject: blacklisting:  Alive & well


damn...  I was hoping it wasn't true, but, I got my Allstate renewal 
this month,  & with no other changes (no tickets, accidents, claims, 
etc...)  my premium went from $280 / year full coverage to $1130 / 
year full coverage...  So, I called the agent & sure enough, 
"allstate isn't writing any new policies for sport bikes"  
They're "actively trying to discourage all sportbike policies".  

SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11.  Anyone (northern 
VA preferred) have any reccomendations ? ?  ?

Thanks,

Dave Yates   


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State Farm will not insure your MC unless you also insure your autos with
them.  I have State Farm coverage for my 2001 FZ1 (998cc), my autos and my
home.  SF simply looks at the displacement of the bike.  There is no
surcharge for the type of MC (i.e sportbike).

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But you don't get a refund if you're getting personalized tags.  I've always
just kept mine.  I have quite a collection by now.

LindaT.
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Paul Wilson said:

The best reason to turn in your old Va. plates is that you get a pro-rated
refund on your registration fee.  Dropped them at the DMV and got the little
checkie in the mail a few weeks later.  That's what I did when we moved to
DC.
OK, I'm cheap....

Paul in DC

----- Original Message -----
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> Suggestions:
>
> a) Put one on the back of your track bike (250cc 2 stroke or better) so
you
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RE: blacklisting: Alive & wellStatefarm is great, especially if you =
transfer over your cars and home.   I have my R6 with them, only paying =
$250/yr full coverage.  I have an agent in VA at Rt. 50 and I-66, if =
interested.

Daniel
2000 YZF-R6

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  Dave,=20

  I echo Rob's sentiments on State Farm.. I've had them for 6 years.. =
I'm currently in their mutual company and they sure do treat you right.  =
Premiums are average and service is GREAT.  BTW - it would probably help =
if you could transfer your cars and home to them at the same time.. I =
think your premiums may be better..=20

  Brian=20

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  damn...  I was hoping it wasn't true, but, I got my Allstate renewal=20
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  SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11.  Anyone (northern=20
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  Dave Yates  =20



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without reading any of the other posts on this subject,
you'd be a fool NOT to call state farm.  they base premiums
on displacement, not bike type.




--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote:
> damn...  I was hoping it wasn't true, but, I got my
> Allstate renewal 
> this month,  & with no other changes (no tickets,
> accidents, claims, 
> etc...)  my premium went from $280 / year full coverage
> to $1130 / 
> year full coverage...  So, I called the agent & sure
> enough, 
> "allstate isn't writing any new policies for sport bikes"
>  
> They're "actively trying to discourage all sportbike
> policies".  
> 
> SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11. 
> Anyone (northern 
> VA preferred) have any reccomendations ? ?  ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave Yates   


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Of course he won't get ANY money back because he still
has the vehicle in question registered, just with
different tags.  The only way you get any money back
is if you sell the vehicle or move to another state...

Glenn

--- Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Whatever the "unused" portion of your registration
> fee is.  Pro-rated by the
> month, I think.  We got some deal another time in VA
> when I had a car that
> was totaled.  I got the plates from the storage yard
> and turned them in for
> a refund.  I didn't want those beat up plates on our
> new vehicle anyway.
> 
> Paul in DC
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RichH@XXXXXX>
> 
> > How much was that check for?
> >
> 
> 


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I had a plate expire, long story.  I had to go get a new one.  I still have
the expired one.  For the right price I'd sell it.

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] 
Sent:	Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:41 PM
To:	Paul Wilson; Rich Hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject:	Re: License plate question

Of course he won't get ANY money back because he still
has the vehicle in question registered, just with
different tags.  The only way you get any money back
is if you sell the vehicle or move to another state...

Glenn

--- Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Whatever the "unused" portion of your registration
> fee is.  Pro-rated by the
> month, I think.  We got some deal another time in VA
> when I had a car that
> was totaled.  I got the plates from the storage yard
> and turned them in for
> a refund.  I didn't want those beat up plates on our
> new vehicle anyway.
> 
> Paul in DC
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RichH@XXXXXX>
> 
> > How much was that check for?

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> c) Put one on your ass, go jogging on the weekend.  see how many harleys
and
> gold wings you can pass.  (it's like heroin, I hear)
name.
>
> --jon

:D
Funny, considering I prolly COULD get a tag for my ass!

Cliff
(over 300 pounds)

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Cliff Zigmond wrote:

> Funny, considering I prolly COULD get a tag for my ass!
> 
> Cliff
> (over 300 pounds)

I'm trying to find a back-up beeper for mine.  :)

Hork
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I don't want to start a flame war, but I tend to associate State Farm with 
medium-high rates and various scandals associated with state attorneys 
general. Shoddy auto parts scandal in '99. Denying valid medical injury 
claims in 2000. Price fixing and inflating homeowner's insurance last year.

I guess everybody hates somebody; I use GEICO, and I suppose a lot of 
people hate GEICO. I've never had a problem with rates, coverage, or claims 
(disclaimer: I don't *make* many claims). I've never gone in much for that 
"my personal agent" stuff; I'm happier just calling an 800 number 7x24 and 
getting service, rather than trying to track down one person. (When I had a 
State Farm homeowner's policy, my "personal agent" changed about six times! 
Retired, retired, quit, office closed, etc...)

Online quotes are available from GEICO. I'd be curious to know how they 
compare head-to-head with your current rates; maybe I'm paying too much. I 
haven't compared GEICO against anyone lately but Progressive, and they were 
lower.

My two cents.

  /// Rob


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Being in the personal injury business, I am aware it is no secret that many
of the larger liability carriers have engaged in shady business practices.
State Farm is not the only carrier known to do questionable things to
improve the bottom line.  That is why I believe it is important to seek
legal counsel when dealing with any of the carriers.

Roy D. Turner
www.cfolaw.com

----- Original Message -----
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> I don't want to start a flame war, but I tend to associate State Farm with
> medium-high rates and various scandals associated with state attorneys
> general. Shoddy auto parts scandal in '99. Denying valid medical injury
> claims in 2000. Price fixing and inflating homeowner's insurance last
year.
>
> I guess everybody hates somebody; I use GEICO, and I suppose a lot of
> people hate GEICO. I've never had a problem with rates, coverage, or
claims
> (disclaimer: I don't *make* many claims). I've never gone in much for that
> "my personal agent" stuff; I'm happier just calling an 800 number 7x24 and
> getting service, rather than trying to track down one person. (When I had
a
> State Farm homeowner's policy, my "personal agent" changed about six
times!
> Retired, retired, quit, office closed, etc...)
>
> Online quotes are available from GEICO. I'd be curious to know how they
> compare head-to-head with your current rates; maybe I'm paying too much. I
> haven't compared GEICO against anyone lately but Progressive, and they
were
> lower.
>
> My two cents.
>
>   /// Rob
>



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Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote:

> State Farm will not insure your MC unless you also insure your autos with
> them.  I have State Farm coverage for my 2001 FZ1 (998cc), my autos and my
> home.  SF simply looks at the displacement of the bike.  There is no
> surcharge for the type of MC (i.e sportbike).
>
> Roy D. Turner
> www.cfolaw

That's `cause State Farm got burned by the courts sometime around `90 for
*selective* M/C insurance.  Agent would take his profile pics and look at the
actual bike.  If it looked sporty and was over 750cc they wouldn't insure
them.

Bill


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Rob Winters wrote:

> I don't want to start a flame war, but I tend to associate State Farm with
> medium-high rates and various scandals associated with state attorneys
> general. Shoddy auto parts scandal in '99. Denying valid medical injury
> claims in 2000. Price fixing and inflating homeowner's insurance last year.
>
> I guess everybody hates somebody; I use GEICO, and I suppose a lot of
> people hate GEICO.

ME - ME - ME - I hate GEICO.   Of course my grudge goes back to 1961 when those
sleazy buggers canceled me with 10 days notice!  No tickets on my juvinile
record, but I had bent two cars in less than three months - minor drive-away
damage.   I picked up coverage very easy with that slightly tarnished record,
and then I leaped for joy when I found out I could bust GEICO's butt for the 10
day notice.  Had to be 30 or 60, I forgot, and since it was their third
violation that year the fine state of Maryland shut them down for a year.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Don't gte mad, get even!

Bill
striking fear in the hearts of motorists since 1960!


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My Yamaha r1 is also a fantastic commuter bike. With my current gear of
alpinestars pants, joe rocket jacket, olympia gloves, im pretty much weather
proof. I find that going around corners i slow down quite a bit that even
cars seem to go through them with much more speed. I also avoid the middle
quite a bit, today it wasnt bad, most of the oil was gone.

Ricardo


Roger that.  My Pacific Coast is a fantastic commuter bike.

Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Doug Allis" <dhallis@XXXXXX>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:40:27

>Riding in the rain can be no big deal:
>If you prepare for it by buying a well faired, easy to clean, comfortable
>bike, with waterproof luggage compartments. Shaft drive or belt drive bikes
>are probably easier because there is no chain to clean. I've seen lots of
>kinds of bikes in rainy weather on my commute up 395, but the regulars seem
>to be: at least one other Honda Pacific Coast, at least one Concours,
>several ST-1100s, various Harleys, a (very) few Gold Wings, several well
>faired big cruisers, lots of  BMW's, and a few Triumphs. Riding in the rain
>means you must: ride conservatively with no high speeds on curves; have
good
>tires; and have waterproof and warm gloves. It helps if you have free
>parking at work! It makes sense if  it takes 30 minutes by motorcycle and
>over an hour by Metro and bus. You've got to have a waterproof riding suit
>(like my Firstgear). I can wear my suit and tie under mine, but usually
wear
>warm sweats (in winter) and change at work. It helps if you have a private
>office or changing area at work.
>Bottom line: if you know you are going to do it and prepare for it, riding
>in the rain can be done quite comfortably.
>
>
>
>
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At 04:27 PM 3/20/2002, you wrote:
>I don't want to start a flame war, but I tend to associate State Farm with 
>medium-high rates and various scandals associated with state attorneys 
>general. Shoddy auto parts scandal in '99. Denying valid medical injury 
>claims in 2000. Price fixing and inflating homeowner's insurance last year.

Counterbalancing that, every Consumer Reports rating of auto insurers in 
the last 20 years has rated two companies tops: USAA and State Farm (in the 
restricted and open categories, respectively).

No other company can compete with USAA in either rates or service, but you 
do have to have a military connection to qualify for their services.

>I guess everybody hates somebody; I use GEICO, and I suppose a lot of 
>people hate GEICO.

Yup. Most discriminating insurance company I've ever come across, and I 
don't mean that in a complimentary way. They were pretty good in the 60s 
and 70s, when they insured only government employees, though.

Not to mention the fact that now they produce some of the most annoying ads 
on TV -- and *that's* saying something! 8;)

-- Larry






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At 05:00 PM 3/20/2002, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote:
>....  That is why I believe it is important to seek
>legal counsel when dealing with any of the carriers.

In case you missed it, this self-serving ad was brought
to you by Roy D. Turner and Esquire [moto] Boot Polish,
the right choices for all of your boot-licking needs.

-- Larry








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i can hear stephen harris cracking his knuckles, again



--- "Roy D. Turner, Esq." <turnerr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Being in the personal injury business, I am aware it is
> no secret that many
> of the larger liability carriers have engaged in shady
> business practices.
> State Farm is not the only carrier known to do
> questionable things to
> improve the bottom line.  That is why I believe it is
> important to seek
> legal counsel when dealing with any of the carriers.
> 
> Roy D. Turner
> www.cfolaw.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Winters <rob@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
> 
> 
> > I don't want to start a flame war, but I tend to
> associate State Farm with
> > medium-high rates and various scandals associated with
> state attorneys
> > general.

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From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Riding in the rain to work
To: Ricardo Pontes <ricardopontes@XXXXXX>
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Ricardo Pontes wrote:
> 
> My Yamaha r1 is also a fantastic commuter bike. 

Ever sneeze while riding one of those things?
I'd be afraid of the consequences.  :)

Hork
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Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)

Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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Kirk Roy wrote:

> This brings up a question I've had on getting my VTR to start better on mondays during the winter (bike sits only on weekends, used to commute 65 miles/day M-F). A battery tender would be tough in my current situation as I'm in a garageless townhouse and have to park the bike a fair bit from the house. :( Has anyone tried those solar things that plug into cig lighters on cars? It's not unusual when it's in the 20s (even 30s sometimes) to have to jumpstart the bike... The battery is new this winter.
>
> Kirk

Kirk,
        In the J.C. Whitney MC Catalog there's a solar MC battery charger.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=5460

Steven C. Di Pietro
Assistant National Director
National Marketing Coordinator
Suzuki Owners Club USA
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In a message dated 3/20/2002 2:13:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
sdave@XXXXXX writes:


> damn...  I was hoping it wasn't true, but, I got my Allstate renewal 
> this month,  & with no other changes (no tickets, accidents, claims, 
> etc...)  my premium went from $280 / year full coverage to $1130 / 
> year full coverage...  So, I called the agent & sure enough, 
> "allstate isn't writing any new policies for sport bikes"  
> They're "actively trying to discourage all sportbike policies".  
> 
> SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11.  Anyone (northern 
> VA preferred) have any reccomendations ? ?  ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave Yates   
> 

Same here.  ALthough, mine didn't go up that much.  Mine went from $300 
something to $500 something for a 2000 R6.

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 3/20/2002 2:13:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">damn... &nbsp;I was hoping it wasn't true, but, I got my Allstate renewal 
<BR>this month, &nbsp;&amp; with no other changes (no tickets, accidents, claims, 
<BR>etc...) &nbsp;my premium went from $280 / year full coverage to $1130 / 
<BR>year full coverage... &nbsp;So, I called the agent &amp; sure enough, 
<BR>"allstate isn't writing any new policies for sport bikes" &nbsp;
<BR>They're "actively trying to discourage all sportbike policies". &nbsp;
<BR>
<BR>SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11. &nbsp;Anyone (northern 
<BR>VA preferred) have any reccomendations ? ? &nbsp;?
<BR>
<BR>Thanks,
<BR>
<BR>Dave Yates &nbsp;&nbsp;
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Same here. &nbsp;ALthough, mine didn't go up that much. &nbsp;Mine went from $300 something to $500 something for a 2000 R6.
<BR>
<BR>Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)</FONT></HTML>

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Nope, don't have anything against Geico, except that they gave me the worst
quote for my bike.  I couldn't understand how they could charge me $300 more
then the nearest quote, which was Progressive and more than 4x more than
statefarm.  Only complaint about statefarm is that I have to do everything
with my agent in his office.  Nice b/c he remembers me when I call but a
hassle at times getting to the office.  One look at my insurance premium and
I feel much better...

You should at least talk to them (actually all companies) to see what they
can offer.

DC Anderson III
2000 YZF-R6
Fairfax, VA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Winters" <rob@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 16:27
Subject: Re: State farm Insurance


> I don't want to start a flame war, but I tend to associate State Farm with
> medium-high rates and various scandals associated with state attorneys
> general. Shoddy auto parts scandal in '99. Denying valid medical injury
> claims in 2000. Price fixing and inflating homeowner's insurance last
year.
>
> I guess everybody hates somebody; I use GEICO, and I suppose a lot of
> people hate GEICO. I've never had a problem with rates, coverage, or
claims
> (disclaimer: I don't *make* many claims). I've never gone in much for that
> "my personal agent" stuff; I'm happier just calling an 800 number 7x24 and
> getting service, rather than trying to track down one person. (When I had
a
> State Farm homeowner's policy, my "personal agent" changed about six
times!
> Retired, retired, quit, office closed, etc...)
>
> Online quotes are available from GEICO. I'd be curious to know how they
> compare head-to-head with your current rates; maybe I'm paying too much. I
> haven't compared GEICO against anyone lately but Progressive, and they
were
> lower.
>
> My two cents.
>
>   /// Rob


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In a message dated 3/20/2002 9:02:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX writes:


> Nope, don't have anything against Geico, except that they gave me the worst
> quote for my bike.  I couldn't understand how they could charge me $300 more
> then the nearest quote, which was Progressive and more than 4x more than
> statefarm.  Only complaint about statefarm is that I have to do everything
> with my agent in his office.  Nice b/c he remembers me when I call but a
> hassle at times getting to the office.  One look at my insurance premium and
> I feel much better...
> 
> You should at least talk to them (actually all companies) to see what they
> can offer.
> 
> DC Anderson III
> 2000 YZF-R6
> Fairfax, VA
> 

Just filled in an online quote for Progressive and Geico.  Progressive is 
$300 more than my current coverage with Allstate.  Haven't heard back from 
Geico yet.  State Farm doesn't have an online quote for motorcycles yet.

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 3/20/2002 9:02:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Nope, don't have anything against Geico, except that they gave me the worst
<BR>quote for my bike. &nbsp;I couldn't understand how they could charge me $300 more
<BR>then the nearest quote, which was Progressive and more than 4x more than
<BR>statefarm. &nbsp;Only complaint about statefarm is that I have to do everything
<BR>with my agent in his office. &nbsp;Nice b/c he remembers me when I call but a
<BR>hassle at times getting to the office. &nbsp;One look at my insurance premium and
<BR>I feel much better...
<BR>
<BR>You should at least talk to them (actually all companies) to see what they
<BR>can offer.
<BR>
<BR>DC Anderson III
<BR>2000 YZF-R6
<BR>Fairfax, VA
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Just filled in an online quote for Progressive and Geico. &nbsp;Progressive is $300 more than my current coverage with Allstate. &nbsp;Haven't heard back from Geico yet. &nbsp;State Farm doesn't have an online quote for motorcycles yet.
<BR>
<BR>Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)</FONT></HTML>

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I didn't pay anything to get the personalized plates, other than the $10
yearly fee.  Peanuts.  So it was basically a trade-in.  I guess I'll keep
the plates until they say they want them.  Now only if I had a garage to
hang them in...

cliff

----- Original Message -----
From: "LindaT." <ljtanner@XXXXXX>
To: "DC-CYCLES" <DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: License plate question


> But you don't get a refund if you're getting personalized tags.  I've
always
> just kept mine.  I have quite a collection by now.
>
> LindaT.
> Custom TankBags
> Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
> AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW
> 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
> 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...)
> 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
> www.customtankbags.com
>
> Paul Wilson said:
>
> The best reason to turn in your old Va. plates is that you get a pro-rated
> refund on your registration fee.  Dropped them at the DMV and got the
little
> checkie in the mail a few weeks later.  That's what I did when we moved to
> DC.
> OK, I'm cheap....
>
> Paul in DC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
>
> > Suggestions:
> >
> > a) Put one on the back of your track bike (250cc 2 stroke or better) so
> you
> > can ride it to bike night.  It's not Glebe, it's your own personal
VIR....
>
>
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If it were that easy to deal with insurance companies I would have been out
of a job 19 years ago.  Studies show that claimants represented by an
attorney recover 2 to 3 times what a pro se individual does.  I always get a
good laugh when someone asks me for advice after they screwed up their case
trying to save a few bucks by handling the case on their own.   When, if
ever, have you heard of a pro se person trying a personal injury case or
property damage claim and prevailing?   I have never heard of such an event.
As the old saying goes, "the person who represents himself has a fool for a
client".  There is truth in those words.  I have no problem justifying my
fees or the legal services I provide.  You will only learn how difficult it
is to be fairly compensated for injuries caused by someone else's negligence
when it happens to you or family member.  You might sing a different tune
then.

Roy D. Turner
www.cfolaw.com


----- Original Message -----
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To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: State farm Insurance


> At 05:00 PM 3/20/2002, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote:
> >....  That is why I believe it is important to seek
> >legal counsel when dealing with any of the carriers.
>
> In case you missed it, this self-serving ad was brought
> to you by Roy D. Turner and Esquire [moto] Boot Polish,
> the right choices for all of your boot-licking needs.
>
> -- Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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--- Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> No other company can compete with USAA in either rates or service,

provided it ain't 2 wheeled. They like (whoever it was) are actively
seeking to discourage bike insurance coverage. I made the mistake of
going with them for about 2 months since my cage is covered by them and
realized Geico was 1/3 the price at $200/yr full coverage.

USAA requires that you be military or dependant of one at some point.

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At 11:24 PM 3/20/2002, matthew patton wrote:
>--- Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > No other company can compete with USAA in either rates or service,
>
>provided it ain't 2 wheeled. They like (whoever it was) are actively
>seeking to discourage bike insurance coverage. I made the mistake of
>going with them for about 2 months since my cage is covered by them and
>realized Geico was 1/3 the price at $200/yr full coverage.
>
>USAA requires that you be military or dependant of one at some point.

...or to be the ex-spouse of a member, for which my ex-wife and her
current husband are eternally thankful.   8;)

Maybe it's just that you're a potentially aggressive younger whippersnapper,
Matt -- I pay USAA ~$225 per year for the Aprilia, and a little less for the
919. Not sure what you mean by "full coverage". My numbers do not
include collision and comprehensive coverage, but then I don't often carry
those coverages on bikes. And they've never said a discouraging word to
me when I call to add or change a bike.

-- Larry






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My comments had nothing to do with the perceived value of legal
representation (my best friend is a litigator and law professor),
and everything to do with virtual ambulance chasing on two wheels
or in a moto mailing list. Or maybe it was the pomposity of email
originating from or signed with a middle initial and "Esq." in a social
setting. I never can tell what triggers these things.

OTOH, perhaps Shakespeare and Tom Paxton phrased it best. 8;)

-- Larry



At 11:22 PM 3/20/2002, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote:
>If it were that easy to deal with insurance companies I would have been out
>of a job 19 years ago.  Studies show that claimants represented by an
>attorney recover 2 to 3 times what a pro se individual does.  I always get a
>good laugh when someone asks me for advice after they screwed up their case
>trying to save a few bucks by handling the case on their own.   When, if
>ever, have you heard of a pro se person trying a personal injury case or
>property damage claim and prevailing?   I have never heard of such an event.
>As the old saying goes, "the person who represents himself has a fool for a
>client".  There is truth in those words.  I have no problem justifying my
>fees or the legal services I provide.  You will only learn how difficult it
>is to be fairly compensated for injuries caused by someone else's negligence
>when it happens to you or family member.  You might sing a different tune
>then.
>
>Roy D. Turner
>www.cfolaw.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Larry Larson" <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>
>To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:26 PM
>Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
>
>
> > At 05:00 PM 3/20/2002, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote:
> > >....  That is why I believe it is important to seek
> > >legal counsel when dealing with any of the carriers.
> >
> > In case you missed it, this self-serving ad was brought
> > to you by Roy D. Turner and Esquire [moto] Boot Polish,
> > the right choices for all of your boot-licking needs.
> >
> > -- Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >






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>>....  chuffs like an old geezer hefting up a 300#
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Thank you for sharing....  it brings back a flood of memories... not M/C 
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My comments had nothing to do with the perceived value of legal
representation ..., and everything to do with virtual ambulance 
chasing on two wheels or in a moto mailing list. Or maybe it was the 
pomposity of email originating from or signed with a middle initial 
and "Esq." in a social setting. 


   <DJY>   Roy's always had that in his .sig.  I have to admit, at 
1st, I thought he meant he was one of those guys that helped the 
Knights with their horses & the like...  

OTOH, perhaps Shakespeare and Tom Paxton phrased it best. 8;)


  <DJY> While their usefulness in the biosphere is questionable, 
there are others that are worse...  MD MVA employees, insurance 
adjusters(the ones that issue the repair orders with cheapo 
replacement parts), bike thieves, etc...  

  

Dave Yates


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There is always professional help available!!

Roy D. Turner, Esq.
www.cfolaw.com

P.S.  I sometimes wonder how "social" this setting really is.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Larson" <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: State farm Insurance


> My comments had nothing to do with the perceived value of legal
> representation (my best friend is a litigator and law professor),
> and everything to do with virtual ambulance chasing on two wheels
> or in a moto mailing list. Or maybe it was the pomposity of email
> originating from or signed with a middle initial and "Esq." in a social
> setting. I never can tell what triggers these things.
>
> OTOH, perhaps Shakespeare and Tom Paxton phrased it best. 8;)
>
> -- Larry
>
>
>
> At 11:22 PM 3/20/2002, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote:
> >If it were that easy to deal with insurance companies I would have been
out
> >of a job 19 years ago.  Studies show that claimants represented by an
> >attorney recover 2 to 3 times what a pro se individual does.  I always
get a
> >good laugh when someone asks me for advice after they screwed up their
case
> >trying to save a few bucks by handling the case on their own.   When, if
> >ever, have you heard of a pro se person trying a personal injury case or
> >property damage claim and prevailing?   I have never heard of such an
event.
> >As the old saying goes, "the person who represents himself has a fool for
a
> >client".  There is truth in those words.  I have no problem justifying my
> >fees or the legal services I provide.  You will only learn how difficult
it
> >is to be fairly compensated for injuries caused by someone else's
negligence
> >when it happens to you or family member.  You might sing a different tune
> >then.
> >
> >Roy D. Turner
> >www.cfolaw.com
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Larry Larson" <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>
> >To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:26 PM
> >Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
> >
> >
> > > At 05:00 PM 3/20/2002, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote:
> > > >....  That is why I believe it is important to seek
> > > >legal counsel when dealing with any of the carriers.
> > >
> > > In case you missed it, this self-serving ad was brought
> > > to you by Roy D. Turner and Esquire [moto] Boot Polish,
> > > the right choices for all of your boot-licking needs.
> > >
> > > -- Larry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>



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I am glad to see that lawyers rate above used car salesmen.  That is
progress!!

I would be interested in knowing what contributions (i.e. employment) to
society other listers take pride in.  I can't believe I am the only
perceived leach.  Gimer does not need to respond, as we know he has sold his
soul to the devil!!

Roy D. Turner, Esq.
www.cfolaw.com

P.S.  My auto license plate is RDTESQ.  I have always used a variation of
this theme as my signature block.

----- Original Message -----
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: State farm Insurance


>
> My comments had nothing to do with the perceived value of legal
> representation ..., and everything to do with virtual ambulance
> chasing on two wheels or in a moto mailing list. Or maybe it was the
> pomposity of email originating from or signed with a middle initial
> and "Esq." in a social setting.
>
>
>    <DJY>   Roy's always had that in his .sig.  I have to admit, at
> 1st, I thought he meant he was one of those guys that helped the
> Knights with their horses & the like...
>
> OTOH, perhaps Shakespeare and Tom Paxton phrased it best. 8;)
>
>
>   <DJY> While their usefulness in the biosphere is questionable,
> there are others that are worse...  MD MVA employees, insurance
> adjusters(the ones that issue the repair orders with cheapo
> replacement parts), bike thieves, etc...
>
>
>
> Dave Yates
>
>
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I haven't had any problems with USAA discouraging my m/c coverage.  They've
always been great for me.

--jon
01 Suz GSF1200

> -----Original Message-----
> From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:24 PM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
>
>
> --- Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > No other company can compete with USAA in either rates or service,
>
> provided it ain't 2 wheeled. They like (whoever it was) are actively
> seeking to discourage bike insurance coverage. I made the mistake of
> going with them for about 2 months since my cage is covered by them and
> realized Geico was 1/3 the price at $200/yr full coverage.
>
> USAA requires that you be military or dependant of one at some point.
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>   <DJY> While their usefulness in the biosphere is questionable,
>there are others that are worse...  MD MVA employees, insurance
>adjusters(the ones that issue the repair orders with cheapo
>replacement parts), bike thieves, etc...


What? No government employees?

-- Larry







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At 08:35 AM 3/21/2002, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote:
>There is always professional help available!!

See, there you go again -- don't tell me your wife is a shrink!

I have pills for this, but sometimes I forget to take them...

-- Larry






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"Roy D. Turner, Esq." wrote:

> Roy D. Turner, Esq.
> www.cfolaw.com
> 
> P.S.  My auto license plate is RDTESQ.  I have always used a variation of
> this theme as my signature block.

When I first saw your 'cfolaw.com' I misread it as 'scofflaw.com' - but it
turns out that URL is *another* law firm.  Geez.  :)

Hork

-- 
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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
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It was William Safire, I think, who recently traced the origins of the whole
Esq. business and its transformation in its usage from a reference to little
boys in the Victorian era (and much earlier a knight's helpmate as Yates
says) to attorneys.  In its original form it did not denote high status at
all (basically a youthful manservant) and he did quite a nice filleting of
the pomposity behind use of the term.  Seems they felt left out amongst the
professions (MD, Ph.D., etc.) and had to latch onto something.

Paul in DC (Ph.D. in case anyone here cares)
----- Original Message -----
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: State farm Insurance


>
> My comments had nothing to do with the perceived value of legal
> representation ..., and everything to do with virtual ambulance
> chasing on two wheels or in a moto mailing list. Or maybe it was the
> pomposity of email originating from or signed with a middle initial
> and "Esq." in a social setting.
>
>
>    <DJY>   Roy's always had that in his .sig.  I have to admit, at
> 1st, I thought he meant he was one of those guys that helped the
> Knights with their horses & the like...
>
> OTOH, perhaps Shakespeare and Tom Paxton phrased it best. 8;)
>
>
>   <DJY> While their usefulness in the biosphere is questionable,
> there are others that are worse...  MD MVA employees, insurance
> adjusters(the ones that issue the repair orders with cheapo
> replacement parts), bike thieves, etc...
>
> Dave Yates



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In a message dated 3/20/2002 10:56:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
horkster@XXXXXX writes:

> I think the Harley's still have the edge in torque, though.  :)

Longer stroke.

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Subject: Re: State farm Insurance  
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What about teachers?  We all know that those who can't actually do the job
teach.

Regarding government employees, many believe that can't cut it in the "real"
world, and like a tick they suck the blood ($) out of the taxpayers.

Let's also talk about dot comers (sp?).  They all believe they are entitled
to be rich just because they spent countless hours working for a startup
company that had no real product to market.  They all deserve to have their
401K plans tied up in the NASDAQ or in Enron stock.

I actually work in a profession that requires meeting payproll, paying taxes
and meeting a bottom line.  Trust me, it is very expensive to operate a law
practice.  There are no subsidies or stockholders to turn to bail me out.  I
actually help people.  Most of my clients are happy with my services.  I
have been practicing law 19 years without a single bar complaint or
malpractice claim filed aginst me.  I do take pride in that.

Don't take my comments above too seriously.  All professions have bad
apples.  I have never made one cent as a result of my participation on this
Listserve.  However, I have given numerous hours of free advice to fellows
listers. (You know who you are!!)  How many other listers offer their
"professional" services for free? By the way, so far this year my fee income
has averaged about $500.00 per hour based on a 40 hour work week.  I can't
take a tax deduction for the pro bono work I perform, but I still provide
free advice just the same.

I believe it is an attorney's job to educate his clients and the public
about their rights.  I don't believe the insurance companies are going to do
the job for you.  If that makes me an ambulance chaser, so be it.
(Furthermore, I don't refer my clients to chiros or "certain" docors.)

By the way, my wife is an administrative headhunter.  Anyone need a "real"
job?

Roy D. Turner, Esq.
www.cfolaw.com

Roy D. Turner, Esq.
www.cfolaw.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>
To: <sdave@XXXXXX>; <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: State farm Insurance


> At 08:28 AM 3/21/2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:
>
> >   <DJY> While their usefulness in the biosphere is questionable,
> >there are others that are worse...  MD MVA employees, insurance
> >adjusters(the ones that issue the repair orders with cheapo
> >replacement parts), bike thieves, etc...
>
>
> What? No government employees?
>
> -- Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Ph.D in what?  Please don't tell me you teach?

Roy D. Turner, Esq.
www.cfolaw.com

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:27 AM
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> It was William Safire, I think, who recently traced the origins of the
whole
> Esq. business and its transformation in its usage from a reference to
little
> boys in the Victorian era (and much earlier a knight's helpmate as Yates
> says) to attorneys.  In its original form it did not denote high status at
> all (basically a youthful manservant) and he did quite a nice filleting of
> the pomposity behind use of the term.  Seems they felt left out amongst
the
> professions (MD, Ph.D., etc.) and had to latch onto something.
>
> Paul in DC (Ph.D. in case anyone here cares)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
>
>
> >
> > My comments had nothing to do with the perceived value of legal
> > representation ..., and everything to do with virtual ambulance
> > chasing on two wheels or in a moto mailing list. Or maybe it was the
> > pomposity of email originating from or signed with a middle initial
> > and "Esq." in a social setting.
> >
> >
> >    <DJY>   Roy's always had that in his .sig.  I have to admit, at
> > 1st, I thought he meant he was one of those guys that helped the
> > Knights with their horses & the like...
> >
> > OTOH, perhaps Shakespeare and Tom Paxton phrased it best. 8;)
> >
> >
> >   <DJY> While their usefulness in the biosphere is questionable,
> > there are others that are worse...  MD MVA employees, insurance
> > adjusters(the ones that issue the repair orders with cheapo
> > replacement parts), bike thieves, etc...
> >
> > Dave Yates
>
>
>



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It was William Safire, I think, who recently traced the origins of 
the whole Esq. ... In its original form it did not denote high status 
at all (basically a youthful manservant) 


  <DJY>  IIRC, I used to shine my combat boots with esquire...

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>>Regarding government employees, many believe that can't cut it in the
"real"
>>world, and like a tick they suck the blood ($) out of the taxpayers.

I'm proud to say that I am sucking the blood of the DC taxpayers, but since
I am a contractor and not a direct employee of the government I suck at a
much higher hourly rate than a regular employee.    :)
 

Patti the Lantech 
'95 Virago 750


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 The funniest part is, I used to work for some very succesful attorneys who NEVER used "Esq." I worked for this dick who bounced my paychecks all the time and he DID use it. 
And, you know, I'm going to start studying for my PhD soon and I cannot even IMAGINE using "Doctor." I mean, yeah, it's cool & everything to pull out as a funsy now & then, but...
(I'm catching the end of this discussion, so sorry if I missed something.)
 
- Jeannette
'86 VFR 700F@
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081
  sdave@XXXXXX wrote: 
It was William Safire, I think, who recently traced the origins of 
the whole Esq. ... In its original form it did not denote high status 
at all (basically a youthful manservant) 


IIRC, I used to shine my combat boots with esquire...

Dave




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<P> The funniest part is, I used to work for some very succesful attorneys who NEVER used "Esq." I worked for this dick who bounced my paychecks all the time and he DID use it. 
<P>And, you know, I'm going to start studying for my PhD soon and I cannot even IMAGINE using "Doctor." I mean, yeah, it's cool &amp; everything to pull out as a funsy now &amp; then, but...
<P>(I'm catching the end of this discussion, so sorry if I missed something.)
<P>&nbsp;
<P>- Jeannette
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I have a doctorate in the History of Architecture (a specialty within Art
History.)  I realized in grad. school that the professor's life was not one
that had much appeal for me.  Actually there are probably more PhDs working
in government or private industry doing research than there are in
Universities.  So, no I don't teach, in the sense of yammering in front of a
roomful of students for a paycheck (unless you're talking about MSF and I
try
not to yammer there!).  But I do teach in the sense of educating our
architectural firm's clients, co-workers, city officials, church Vestry
members, or anyone else requests
my views and expertise.  And a lot of it gets given away pro bono publico.
Anyone in a profession is a teacher whether they realize it or not.

When it comes to professional and academic titles I think a person's
knowledge and character count for more than whatever honorific titles or
alphabet soup they manage to appropriate.  A poser who tries to get by on a
title won't last long.  The only time I would consider using Dr. or Ph.D. is
in a professional conference or some such and never in a social setting
where it has no relevance.  I'm not picking on attorneys, either, I think
it's pompous when MDs parade their titles as if we're supposed to give their
opinions more weight, even in non-medical matters.

Paul in DC
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To: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>; <sdave@XXXXXX>;
<dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
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> Ph.D in what?  Please don't tell me you teach?
>
> Roy D. Turner, Esq.
> www.cfolaw.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> To: <sdave@XXXXXX>; <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
>
>
> > It was William Safire, I think, who recently traced the origins of the
> whole
> > Esq. business and its transformation in its usage from a reference to
> little
> > boys in the Victorian era (and much earlier a knight's helpmate as Yates
> > says) to attorneys.


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speak for yourself.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:46 AM
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> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/20/2002 10:56:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> horkster@XXXXXX writes:
> 
> > I think the Harley's still have the edge in torque, though.  :)
> 
> Longer stroke.
> 

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$20,000k/week...must be tough out on the Esquire's country estate, even
after payroll and other overhead.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy D. Turner, Esq. [mailto:turnerr@XXXXXX]
> By the way, so far this year my
> fee income
> has averaged about $500.00 per hour based on a 40 hour work week.


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Wow! $20,000K! I *am* impressed! Even Bill Gates doesn't make that much!

-- Larry


At 11:05 AM 3/21/2002, you wrote:
>$20,000k/week...must be tough out on the Esquire's country estate, even
>after payroll and other overhead.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roy D. Turner, Esq. [mailto:turnerr@XXXXXX]
> > By the way, so far this year my
> > fee income
> > has averaged about $500.00 per hour based on a 40 hour work week.






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--- "Roy D. Turner, Esq." <turnerr@XXXXXX> wrote:
<snip>

> Don't take my comments above too seriously.  All
> professions have bad
> apples.  I have never made one cent as a result of my
> participation on this
> Listserve.  However, I have given numerous hours of free
> advice to fellows
> listers. (You know who you are!!)  How many other listers
> offer their
> "professional" services for free? By the way, so far this
> year my fee income
> has averaged about $500.00 per hour based on a 40 hour
> work week.  I can't
> take a tax deduction for the pro bono work I perform, but
> I still provide
> free advice just the same.

i do too, roy.  i don't have 19 years, but still try to
help out those who need it whenever they ask.

and to think they call us scumsucking pigs....



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Hell....I KNOW you can kick my ass.  I just don't feel like showing the entire world that fact.  ;-)  Thanks for the invite though.

Scooter

In a message dated Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:19:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX> writes:

> karting?  A few friends of mine are planning to go karting one night next week...anyone off the list interested?
> 
> If not, I'll just assume you're afraid a girl will kick your ass! :-)
> 
> www.allsportsgp.com
> 
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> 
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That sounds like fun, I might be interested in joining you gals some night 
at the track.  I have never heard of this kart racing thing, so I am looking 
forward to it, and looking forward to competing with the ladies... : )  take 
care.




>From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mheise@XXXXXX
>Subject: anyone up for some...
>Date: 21 Mar 2002 08:17:47 -0800
>
>karting?  A few friends of mine are planning to go karting one night next 
>week...anyone off the list interested?
>
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>
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>
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>
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From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
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Tom Gimer wrote:

> and to think they call us scumsucking pigs....

But we mean that in the nicest way possible.  :)

Just kidding!  Kidding, humor, ar, arr

Hork

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I do not have USAA and never have.  ALL of my neighbors who had them now do 
not. I know this because I sit on the homeowner's board. Thanks to some 
particularly bad neighbors we had to get into "reminding" folks that they 
need to maintain their homes -- so that after a bad hail storm it was 
obvious that nearly every house needed new siding and roof. We've got lots 
of military families and lots of homes had USAA. USAA was the least 
cooperative company any owners delt with. They were not consistant -- they 
replaced the siding on a couple of houses, and not another, the entire roof 
of one house, but none of the next or not the entire roof of another.  It 
seems as if customers that filed a claim within the first week after the 
storm got paid what was needed, and those that waited got less, sometimes 
much less.  One could even say that it appears that USAA was trying to cut 
its losses once it realized how much damage there was in the area!

I called our insurance company (Nationwide) about 2 months after the storm 
and an adjuster came out to look at the house within a week and then mailed 
us a check for about $15,000 to replace the siding on two sides of the 
house.  Three contractors told me that the siding was no longer available 
and gave me estimates for complete replacement with vinyl.  Nationwide sent 
me another check. Then I learned that vinyl siding had been damaged too and 
decided to go for a more expensive product, called cement-fiber (looks like 
wood), for about the price of what it would have cost to use aluminum.  
Nationwide sent me another check for the difference there too.  Within a 
year my roof and siding were replaced.  Yes our premiums were about $100 a 
year higher. Yes it seems we got what we paid for...




>From: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
>Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:24:25 -0800 (PST)
>
>--- Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > No other company can compete with USAA in either rates or service,
>
>provided it ain't 2 wheeled. They like (whoever it was) are actively
>seeking to discourage bike insurance coverage. I made the mistake of
>going with them for about 2 months since my cage is covered by them and
>realized Geico was 1/3 the price at $200/yr full coverage.
>
>USAA requires that you be military or dependant of one at some point.
>
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From: Jeannette <gingerdc9@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: State farm Insurance  
To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." <turnerr@XXXXXX>,
   Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX>, sdave@XXXXXX,
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No, Tech Writer. What's wrong with teaching?
I actually now regret not going into that field.
It's better than helping the Evil Empire II build
bombs & other methods of killing while getting rich.
I mean, I'm all for killing when it's warranted, but
I'd rather do something that helps people, to be quite
honest. But the pay sucks for teaching and I find that
repulsive, but that's another topic entirely...

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- "Roy D. Turner, Esq." <turnerr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Ph.D in what?  Please don't tell me you teach?
> 
> Roy D. Turner, Esq.
> www.cfolaw.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> To: <sdave@XXXXXX>; <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
> 
> 
> > It was William Safire, I think, who recently
> traced the origins of the
> whole
> > Esq. business and its transformation in its usage
> from a reference to
> little
> > boys in the Victorian era (and much earlier a
> knight's helpmate as Yates
> > says) to attorneys.  In its original form it did
> not denote high status at
> > all (basically a youthful manservant) and he did
> quite a nice filleting of
> > the pomposity behind use of the term.  Seems they
> felt left out amongst
> the
> > professions (MD, Ph.D., etc.) and had to latch
> onto something.
> >
> > Paul in DC (Ph.D. in case anyone here cares)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
> > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
> >
> >
> > >
> > > My comments had nothing to do with the perceived
> value of legal
> > > representation ..., and everything to do with
> virtual ambulance
> > > chasing on two wheels or in a moto mailing list.
> Or maybe it was the
> > > pomposity of email originating from or signed
> with a middle initial
> > > and "Esq." in a social setting.
> > >
> > >
> > >    <DJY>   Roy's always had that in his .sig.  I
> have to admit, at
> > > 1st, I thought he meant he was one of those guys
> that helped the
> > > Knights with their horses & the like...
> > >
> > > OTOH, perhaps Shakespeare and Tom Paxton phrased
> it best. 8;)
> > >
> > >
> > >   <DJY> While their usefulness in the biosphere
> is questionable,
> > > there are others that are worse...  MD MVA
> employees, insurance
> > > adjusters(the ones that issue the repair orders
> with cheapo
> > > replacement parts), bike thieves, etc...
> > >
> > > Dave Yates
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 


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Had to chime in here.  I have State Farm and thing it's the cat's meow.  Due
to my idiocy with contracts I got the wrong coverage on my first bike and
got screwed when it was totaled by a hit and run driver.  There is not
enough KY lube in the world that can make dealing with Progressive insurance
a positive experience.  I can't say enough great things about the Fairfax
County police officer who caught the welfare cheating, drug abusing, vandal
boyfriend equipped piece of human detritus who hit it and made her confess.
State Farm however, took fantastic care of me when my F3 was ripped off.
Although they did not return the severed skulls of the perpetrators as I had
hoped, they did get me a very fair settlement.  By the way, they will insure
just the bike, but you have to demand it.  Yes, dealing with the agent is a
P.I.T.A.. but their rates absolutely smoked Geico, Progressive, Allstate,
Dairyland and Bikeline.  Geico uses their own company called Cycle Guard for
bikes, but they don't offer group vehicle discounts between the two
companies.  State Farm definitely wants my car business as well, but Geico
lets me pay over the web at the last minute, which I am prone to do.  Cycle
Guard also will not offer comprehensive on bikes without a garage if you
live within a certain group of zip codes, including mine.  I'm one of those
who's bugged Roy for free advice and I can't say thanks enough.
Unfortunately, my new F4 is likely to get me in trouble so can I get your
cell number in case I need to call you from central booking :) 
Did I post the review of Reg Pridmore's CLASS school by Terence Geoghegan?
He's a rider/attorney from the CBR list who posted a great review/rant but
it's a bit on the long side, plus I can't remember if I already posted it or
not.

Cedric
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http://www.americanmotor.com/news.cfm?newsid=1928

It's on the governor's desk already?  First I
heard of it.  Anyway, I hope he can make room
in his busy tax-raising plans and put his signature
on it.

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> Did I post the review of Reg Pridmore's CLASS school by Terence Geoghegan?
> He's a rider/attorney from the CBR list who posted a great review/rant but
> it's a bit on the long side, plus I can't remember if I already posted it
or
> not.
>
> Cedric


No, I don't think so.  Fire away.

Paul


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Here's the LONG version of an article that ran earlier this year in 
CITATIONS, the monthly rag of the Ventura County Bar Association. I used to 
be the editor; I turned over the reins this year to a lady named Loye 
Barton, which explains the notes....

Hope you enjoy it....

--Terence Geoghegan

'99 Bandit 1200S
'98 CBR 600 F3
(2) '83 GS 1100 E

**********

February 10, 2000

Reg Pridmore's CLASS Motorcycle Racing School-Streets of Willow, November 
4, 1999
by Terence Geoghegan

*****
Loye-long version starts here:

About a year ago or so, my teen-aged daughter dragged me to a certain 
multiplex in Camarillo to see Titanic. Personally, I was looking forward to 
the trailers-I could watch trailers for hours. Maybe because they're like 
the highlights reel without the slow bits. Or maybe because I have the 
attention span the gods gave to hubcaps. M-?Quien sabe?

But I was to be disappointed. As the lights went down, two pathologically 
cheerful young theater attendants sprang to the front of the theater, 
hoisting baskets of...what, exactly? An infomercial soon told us that for a 
mere dollar, we could buy a heart-shaped pin from the youngsters, and the 
proceeds would go to-I swear that I am not making this up-"help needy 
children."

Perfect, I thought. An opportunity to explain to my daughter the pathology 
of stealing in the name of charity. I explained that the theater owner had 
to get his cut (leaving out the bit about paying off his heroin dealer, and 
the entrepreneur who had the negs of the guy in bed with a live boy and a 
dead girl), and so did the slavemasters of the third-world sweatshops who 
whipped and pimped the children who actually made the little pins, and then 
there were the  costs of distribution, and the costs of the infomercial 
itself, so that out of the dollar, the "needy children" would likely get 
precisely squat.

Ah, but the infomercial wasn't done with us yet. Onscreen, a well-dressed 
milquetoast was arguing with Saint Peter, seeking entrance to the Kingdom. 
He had been good during his lifetime...but he had no heart-shaped pin! In 
extremis, he squealed: "At least I wasn't a lawyer!"

The darkness began to stir within; this was not going to turn out well. My 
talons were going to trash my good shoes. My tail would begin to thrash 
methodically against the concrete floor, which is not good for my scales. 
Then, just in case the infomercial was tending toward excessive subtlety, 
up to the Pearly Gates roars Your Basic Biker. Tattoos, shaved head, 
open-pipe Hogley-Ferguson. But Saint Peter waves him on through, because 
even a biker can get into Heaven, providing he sports, as did this one, the 
requisite heart-shaped pin on his tattered denim vest.

Let's see. Should I be insulted because I'm a lawyer? Or because I'm a 
biker? No need to choose.
[Loye-suggested snip here; the rest of this paragraph may be "intended for 
mature audiences only." Your call....] I stood up. I announced, loudly, to 
no one in particular that I would be happy to discuss the nature of bigotry 
in the late twentieth century with that son-of-a-bitch theater manager, 
should he dare to show his face. No takers....

Political correctness in our time has wrongfully deprived bigots everywhere 
of their divine right to put the boot in. But help is at hand; while they 
can't use the "N word" in polite society anymore, they can say exactly the 
same things as long as they substitute the word "lawyer"-or "biker."
A pox on them.

Of course, this story has nothing to do with our story. Except that it 
involves a motorcycle.

*****
Loye-short version starts here:

I've been riding for twenty-eight years. Twenty motorcycles or so, perhaps 
a half-million miles. Between 1987 and 1992, I lived on a GoldWing in 
Europe, towing a 1200 lb. trailer. Up and down the Trollsteigen, over the 
Swiss Alps. Jailed twice in Serbia on suspicion of espionage. Shot at in 
Turkey by Kurdish separatists. Campsite burglarized in St. Petersburg-we 
think that they wanted my law-school texts for toilet paper. Mud. Snow. 
Ice. River fordings in Turkey. Fjord fordings in Norway. You'd think that 
by now I might have learned how to actually ride. Too bad that there are 
some skills that don't come by osmosis.

President's Day, 1995. Eastbound on Thompson at Chestnut. On my jewel, a 
cherry '83 GS1100E. The silver Ford dropped into the left turn pocket 
facing me. The driver braked, looking me in the eyes, ceding the right of 
way. Then she dropped the hammer and swung broadside in front of me. I 
nailed the brakes, almost hard enough to avoid her right rear fender.
Almost.

The Suzuki has fearsome brakes, capable of a "stoppie," where the bike 
actually stands up on its front wheel, and they did their job. I didn't do 
mine. I didn't have the skill to make the commitment.

Fast-forward four years and change. My friend Barry called; he'd picked up 
a leftover '98 Honda CBR600F3 for his commute from Jamul to La Jolla, and 
he'd been scaring himself. He'd decided to take Reg Pridmore's 
street-riding skills course at Willow, up in Rosamond. "Cool," said I, on 
the spot. "I'll do it with you."

Local legend Reg Pridmore (he used to own the BMW dealership in Ventura, 
until Honda, which sponsors the CLASS school, became uncomfortable with 
that) ruled road-racing in the seventies; he was the three-time AMA 
(American Motorcyclist Association) National Superbike Champion from 
1976-1978. Now he teaches his skills to fledgling racers, and also to those 
who just want to improve their street skills-to avoid the odd Ford here and 
there. Sears Point, Laguna Seca, and, closest to us, the Streets of Willow 
in Rosamond. A few times a year, Reg runs an "over 40" day. Older riders 
don't tend to crash much; insurance rates can reflect this. At the time, 
$250 bought you a day of geezer racing, including lunch-a considerable 
discount from the "gasoline and testosterone don't mix" standard rates.

(Incidentally, in 1997, Reg's son Jason won the AMA 750 Supersport 
championship; Reg and Jason thus became the first and only father-son AMA 
National Champions. Jason now runs his own school-the STAR motorcycle 
racing school, also based in Ventura; they're in the book. But while 
Jason's is a much harder-edged school strictly for racers, Reg is clear 
that his school is geared less towards racing and more towards street 
survival skills.)

Barry and I hooked up Thursday evening and spent the night in a motel in 
Rosamond. By 8:00 a.m. we were at the track. My '83 Honda CX650 Turbo had 
no problems with tech inspection; I'd spooned fresh meats onto the hoops, 
which the school is really strict about. Replacing coolant with straight 
water (coolant on the track in case of a crash that breaches a cooling 
system can lead rapidly to fatal losses of traction) wasn't required for 
this session; just tape the mirrors and headlights, disconnect the brake 
lights, and don the required full leathers. A little talc on the seat of 
the bike and the seat of the leathers, to ease cornering weight 
transitions, and we were ready to rock.

Reg splits the class of about fifty into two groups; one group in the 
classroom, and the other on the track, watched over by a squad of seven or 
eight instructors. Twenty minutes or so, then switch. the lessons learned 
in the classroom are rapidly tested on the track-as you ride, an instructor 
will drop in in front of you, pointing at his or her taillight: "Follow me 
closely. Ski like me; be like me." Keeping your nose latched to the 
instructor's tail requires concentration, commitment, and above all, 
smoothness. Burn up the front straight. Drop into Turn 1 as hot as you 
dare. Bleed speed because you must, but follow the line and carry what 
momentum you can, because it's easier to conserve it than create it. Strafe 
the apexes, and pull the trigger before the exit, to launch into the next 
straight. Repeat ten times, and here's the front straight again. Don't 
screw up. Asphalt is bloody unforgiving at these speeds, and I imagine that 
the gravel traps off the curves are worse.

After a few tours of the track, I could flog her up to 105 or 110 by the 
end of the front straight, but I was running out of motor. (I pulled into 
the pits once to query an instructor about the mysteries of the proper line 
through the mischievous Turn 8. He wrinkled his nose at the oily smoke 
wafting off my poor abused beast: "Sure is smoking a lot," he allowed. 
"Right," I thought. "What's seventeen in bike years? If I stripped you 
naked and flogged you this mercilessly, you'd smoke, too.")

Nail the brakes, hard. Harder. Hard pressure on the right peg, pitch it in 
and let the horizon rip loose. After a few tries, I could carry 
70-75  through Turn 1, but I was still searching for that elusive smooth. 
The satisfaction of dragging the left peg through a sharp uphill 
left-hander, as the turbo screams, clawing for more speed. Only one thing 
better than going fast. Going Faster.

"I can do this." Can't I? Well, time for a reality check. A $20 donation to 
Reg's favorite charity-the "Ride for Kids," raising money for the Pediatric 
Brain Tumor Foundation-gets you two laps on the back of The Master's Honda 
VFR800 Interceptor. Reg is apologetic that he can't take you around "as 
fast as possible"; the realities of insurance and all that. But he 
guarantees a "five tenths, maybe six" ride for thems as can handle it.

An effortless wheelie up the front straight, maybe 130 by the end. 95 
through Turn 1 as you try to stuff the blood back into your peepers. And 
smooth as a baby's ass, Reg is. The lean angles through the hairpins become 
absolutely insane, and Reg isn't even trying. No human being can possibly 
do what Reg is doing, and this is only halfway to race intensity? This 
isn't possible. What must it be like when he's running ten tenths on this 
course, without two hundred pounds of screaming meat death-gripped onto the 
back end?

Later, Barry and I swapped rides for a few. The CBR's new technology was 
impressive-the suspension, and especially the brakes. But these 
inline-fours make their power up high-with a 14,000 rpm redline, you have 
to dance on the shifter to stay in the fat part of the ponies. The CX's 
low-end grunt is more forgiving, and the transition to turbo boost is 
seamless. Still, you have to love the CBR's gonzo binders-when Barry got 
off the CX, his face was ashen. "You must have been terrified out 
there-your motorcycle has no brakes." Actually, the CX's brakes were state 
of the art, seventeen years ago. How times have changed.

And by the end of the day, the poor beast was knackered. Oil was weeping 
from every seal, and even the Harleys were passing me early on the front 
straight, no matter how hot I burned out of the last turn. (Well, 
technically, they were actually Buells, but close enough to Harleys to make 
me realize that I needed more motor if I was going to swim with the big
fish.)

Mine was the second-oldest bike on the track that day; the oldest was an 
'82 Honda VT500FT Ascot, piloted by Grace Lee, the assistant Executive 
Director of the L.A. Bar Association. Small world.

The '83 CX650 Turbo is a collector's item, and deserves better than this 
abuse. So today I picked up a 1999 Suzuki 1200S Bandit. Only 4,000 miles, 
and heavily massaged. Fox shock, Progressive Suspension springs, braided 
stainless brake lines, low-profile Z-rated radials, K&N filter, DynoJet 
carb setup, Yoshimura stainless exhaust canister, oh yassuh. (Not the 
fastest bike on the planet, but perhaps the fastest that isn't on the 
insurance companies' high-risk list. $521 a year for 250/500 liability/UMI 
and full comp/collision; the CBR1100XX Super Blackbird I was considering 
runs $2,016 for the same coverage!)

Now all I have to do is visit Reg again, so that I can learn how to 
actually ride the beast....

*****

Check the CLASS website at www.classrides.com for current schedules and 
pricing.

Class Motorcycle Schools
320 East Santa Maria Street, Suite M
Santa Paula, CA 93060-3800
(805) 933-9936
(805) 933-9987 fax
www.classrides.com


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I would also like to teach.  However, the rate of compensation is limiting
in that profession.

Roy D. Turner, Esq.
www.cfolaw.com


----- Original Message -----
From: Jeannette <gingerdc9@XXXXXX>
To: Roy D. Turner, Esq. <turnerr@XXXXXX>; Paul Wilson
<pawilson@XXXXXX>; <sdave@XXXXXX>; <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:05 PM
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> No, Tech Writer. What's wrong with teaching?
> I actually now regret not going into that field.
> It's better than helping the Evil Empire II build
> bombs & other methods of killing while getting rich.
> I mean, I'm all for killing when it's warranted, but
> I'd rather do something that helps people, to be quite
> honest. But the pay sucks for teaching and I find that
> repulsive, but that's another topic entirely...
>
> - Jeannette
>   '86 VFR 700F2
>   http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081
>
> --- "Roy D. Turner, Esq." <turnerr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Ph.D in what?  Please don't tell me you teach?
> >
> > Roy D. Turner, Esq.
> > www.cfolaw.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> > To: <sdave@XXXXXX>; <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
> >
> >
> > > It was William Safire, I think, who recently
> > traced the origins of the
> > whole
> > > Esq. business and its transformation in its usage
> > from a reference to
> > little
> > > boys in the Victorian era (and much earlier a
> > knight's helpmate as Yates
> > > says) to attorneys.  In its original form it did
> > not denote high status at
> > > all (basically a youthful manservant) and he did
> > quite a nice filleting of
> > > the pomposity behind use of the term.  Seems they
> > felt left out amongst
> > the
> > > professions (MD, Ph.D., etc.) and had to latch
> > onto something.
> > >
> > > Paul in DC (Ph.D. in case anyone here cares)
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
> > > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:28 AM
> > > Subject: Re: State farm Insurance
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > My comments had nothing to do with the perceived
> > value of legal
> > > > representation ..., and everything to do with
> > virtual ambulance
> > > > chasing on two wheels or in a moto mailing list.
> > Or maybe it was the
> > > > pomposity of email originating from or signed
> > with a middle initial
> > > > and "Esq." in a social setting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    <DJY>   Roy's always had that in his .sig.  I
> > have to admit, at
> > > > 1st, I thought he meant he was one of those guys
> > that helped the
> > > > Knights with their horses & the like...
> > > >
> > > > OTOH, perhaps Shakespeare and Tom Paxton phrased
> > it best. 8;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   <DJY> While their usefulness in the biosphere
> > is questionable,
> > > > there are others that are worse...  MD MVA
> > employees, insurance
> > > > adjusters(the ones that issue the repair orders
> > with cheapo
> > > > replacement parts), bike thieves, etc...
> > > >
> > > > Dave Yates
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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In all fairness, the few attorneys that I've known personally have been fine
individuals.  The attorneys that I've hired have been dedicated
professionals, with one exception--who was promptly fired.

That said, the profession as a whole is a grand target for ridicule, scorn,
and general scapegoat-ing.  You can't help but to hate 'em all.  Until the
time comes when you need one, then s/he is Your Personal Saviour.

--jon
(no title, no hourly rate disclosure)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX]
>
> <snip>I'm
> one of those
> who's bugged Roy for free advice and I can't say thanks enough.
> Unfortunately, my new F4 is likely to get me in trouble so can I get your
> cell number in case I need to call you from central booking :)
> Did I post the review of Reg Pridmore's CLASS school by Terence Geoghegan?
> He's a rider/attorney from the CBR list who posted a great review/rant but
> it's a bit on the long side, plus I can't remember if I already
> posted it or
> not.


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I can't believe it!!! Two scumbag lawyers agreeing on something without
litigation.  It is a miracle!!

Roy D. Turner, Esq.
www.cfolaw.com

----- Original Message -----
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<dc-cycles@XXXXXX>; Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>
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> --- "Roy D. Turner, Esq." <turnerr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > Don't take my comments above too seriously.  All
> > professions have bad
> > apples.  I have never made one cent as a result of my
> > participation on this
> > Listserve.  However, I have given numerous hours of free
> > advice to fellows
> > listers. (You know who you are!!)  How many other listers
> > offer their
> > "professional" services for free? By the way, so far this
> > year my fee income
> > has averaged about $500.00 per hour based on a 40 hour
> > work week.  I can't
> > take a tax deduction for the pro bono work I perform, but
> > I still provide
> > free advice just the same.
>
> i do too, roy.  i don't have 19 years, but still try to
> help out those who need it whenever they ask.
>
> and to think they call us scumsucking pigs....
>
>
>
> --
> tg
>
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That is $237K in fee for the first three months of 2002.  I have been on a
roll lately. However, I will admit that 2001 was a terrible year.  I was
about $240K in the hole that year.

Roy D. Turner
www.cfolaw.com


Roy D. Turner, Esq.
www.cfolaw.com

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:19 AM
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> Wow! $20,000K! I *am* impressed! Even Bill Gates doesn't make that much!
>
> -- Larry
>
>
> At 11:05 AM 3/21/2002, you wrote:
> >$20,000k/week...must be tough out on the Esquire's country estate, even
> >after payroll and other overhead.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roy D. Turner, Esq. [mailto:turnerr@XXXXXX]
> > > By the way, so far this year my
> > > fee income
> > > has averaged about $500.00 per hour based on a 40 hour work week.
>
>
>
>
>



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Gimer,

For the record, I have never sunk so low as to call you a scumsucking 
pig (even though that it is an apt description for you).  Now, 
bloodsucking leech ... well ... %^)

Fell the love, man!

Tom Gimer wrote:

> 
> and to think they call us scumsucking pigs....




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Subject: RE: State farm Insurance  
To: Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>, jmstrang@XXXXXX,
   dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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remember that means that he's pulling in $40k/week for the
unwashed masses.... ;)


--
tg

--- Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Wow! $20,000K! I *am* impressed! Even Bill Gates doesn't
> make that much!
> 
> -- Larry
> 
> 
> At 11:05 AM 3/21/2002, you wrote:
> >$20,000k/week...must be tough out on the Esquire's
> country estate, even
> >after payroll and other overhead.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roy D. Turner, Esq. [mailto:turnerr@XXXXXX]
> > > By the way, so far this year my
> > > fee income
> > > has averaged about $500.00 per hour based on a 40
> hour work week.


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Woo-hoo! No shower for me tonight!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:14 PM
> To: Larry Larson; jmstrang@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: RE: State farm Insurance 
> 
> 
> remember that means that he's pulling in $40k/week for the
> unwashed masses.... ;)
> 
> 
> --
> tg
> 
> --- Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Wow! $20,000K! I *am* impressed! Even Bill Gates doesn't
> > make that much!
> > 
> > -- Larry
> > 
> > 
> > At 11:05 AM 3/21/2002, you wrote:
> > >$20,000k/week...must be tough out on the Esquire's
> > country estate, even
> > >after payroll and other overhead.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Roy D. Turner, Esq. [mailto:turnerr@XXXXXX]
> > > > By the way, so far this year my
> > > > fee income
> > > > has averaged about $500.00 per hour based on a 40
> > hour work week.
> 
> 
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Whew! Close one.

For a second there, I was afraid I had started a flame war.
;-)

  /// Rob


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In a message dated 3/21/2002 10:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
pawilson@XXXXXX writes:

> Anyone in a profession is a teacher whether they realize it or not.

Indeed! In my last job I spent a lot of time telling my bosses how to do 
their jobs and....
 Hmmm. Never mind.


John.
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From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
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i'm sorry.  i meant the unwashed who had retained his
services.

please wash tonight.  don't forget the sack....



--- Jon Strang <jmstrang@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Woo-hoo! No shower for me tonight!
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:14 PM
> > To: Larry Larson; jmstrang@XXXXXX;
> dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: RE: State farm Insurance 
> > 
> > 
> > remember that means that he's pulling in $40k/week for
> the
> > unwashed masses.... ;)
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > tg
> > 
> > --- Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > > Wow! $20,000K! I *am* impressed! Even Bill Gates
> doesn't
> > > make that much!
> > > 
> > > -- Larry
> > > 
> > > 
> > > At 11:05 AM 3/21/2002, you wrote:
> > > >$20,000k/week...must be tough out on the Esquire's
> > > country estate, even
> > > >after payroll and other overhead.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Roy D. Turner, Esq.
> [mailto:turnerr@XXXXXX]
> > > > > By the way, so far this year my
> > > > > fee income
> > > > > has averaged about $500.00 per hour based on a 40
> > > hour work week.


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Well, that's not completely true.  They do have a
couple of categories, but if I remember right it's
Harley and non-Harley.  I don't believe there was a
different category for Sport Bikes.

I also am very happy with my State Farm policy.

--
Jeremy Purdy
'00 Yamaha V-Star Classic


Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:37:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: blacklisting:  Alive & well
To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX

without reading any of the other posts on this
subject,
you'd be a fool NOT to call state farm.  they base
premiums
on displacement, not bike type.




--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote:
> damn...  I was hoping it wasn't true, but, I got my
> Allstate renewal
> this month,  & with no other changes (no tickets,
> accidents, claims,
> etc...)  my premium went from $280 / year full
coverage
> to $1130 /
> year full coverage...  So, I called the agent & sure
> enough,
> "allstate isn't writing any new policies for sport
bikes"
>
> They're "actively trying to discourage all sportbike
> policies".
>
> SO... now I need to find insurance for my old ZX11.
> Anyone (northern
> VA preferred) have any reccomendations ? ?  ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Yates



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At 02:27 PM 3/20/02 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote:
>i can hear stephen harris cracking his knuckles, again


	Gads!  You know you've got to sleep in the bed you've made when...:-)   


	Stephen Harris  

	(who is simply too busy getting ready for the WERA National to dispell all these urban myths about insurance...the bike, like truth on this list, is still in pieces right now...:-)




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    Gads!  You know you've got to sleep in the bed you've made when...:-)   

When the sheep threatens to have you arrested unless you come back.

Glad to see you back at the keyboard harris.  How are the ooozing sores now?  
:)

>     Stephen Harris  
> 
>     (who is simply too busy getting ready for the WERA National to dispell 
> all these urban myths about insurance...the bike, like truth on this list, 
> is still in pieces right now...:-)

When you riding next geekboy?

keener

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At 07:13 PM 3/21/02 EST, SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: 
>>>>

When you riding next geekboy?



	The Team Charm Parade of Super Geeks makes its first stop this season at the Grand Bayou Raceway (aka "No Problem Raceway") for the WERA National on 4/6/02.  Of course, we will use this as a reason to indulge ourselves of debauchary in "Nawh-Leans."

	We, the glorious members of Team Charm, have our sights on the lightweight title in WERA National Endurance Series.  We will be taking our pleasure from Rich's SV650.  

	Hopefully we'll have a press release done for the web page, but at this time all I got is a schedule done at http://www.his.com/~harris/sched.htm which you can view between URL hits on your kiddie porn sites...:-) 

	S

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>     The Team Charm Parade of Super Geeks makes its first stop this season at 
> the Grand Bayou Raceway (aka "No Problem Raceway") for the WERA National on 
> 4/6/02.  Of course, we will use this as a reason to indulge ourselves of 
> debauchary in "Nawh-Leans."

Ahhhh...sounds like fun.  If it weren't for the fact I just got back from 2 
weeks in Daytona...I'd think about harassing you.

>     We, the glorious members of Team Charm, have our sights on the 
> lightweight title in WERA National Endurance Series.  We will be taking our 
> pleasure from Rich's SV650.  

Ahhh...chasing the cash I see.  i've had a few offers for rides this year 
myself.  Definately thinking about it.  :)

>     Hopefully we'll have a press release done for the web page, but at this 
> time all I got is a schedule done at http://www.his.com/~harris/sched.htm 
> which you can view between URL hits on your kiddie porn sites...:-) 

That's sheep-porn now.  I've moved on.  :P

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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The Team Charm Parade of Super Geeks makes its first stop this season at the Grand Bayou Raceway (aka "No Problem Raceway") for the WERA National on 4/6/02.&nbsp; Of course, we will use this as a reason to indulge ourselves of debauchary in "Nawh-Leans."</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Ahhhh...sounds like fun.&nbsp; If it weren't for the fact I just got back from 2 weeks in Daytona...I'd think about harassing you.</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We, the glorious members of Team Charm, have our sights on the lightweight title in WERA National Endurance Series.&nbsp; We will be taking our pleasure from Rich's SV650.&nbsp; </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Ahhh...chasing the cash I see.&nbsp; i've had a few offers for rides this year myself.&nbsp; Definately thinking about it.&nbsp; :)</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hopefully we'll have a press release done for the web page, but at this time all I got is a schedule done at http://www.his.com/~harris/sched.htm which you can view between URL hits on your kiddie porn sites...:-) </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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<P>I think the&nbsp;drastic increase&nbsp;of motorcycle insurance has become rediculous.&nbsp; It's almost impossible to find a company that will even insure a "sportbike".&nbsp; It shouldn't be a concern for me, but it is.&nbsp; I recently moved here from CO, and many of the club members there&nbsp;are having similar problems with the outrageous hike in insurance.</P>
<P>Insurance companies are closing the door to "sportbikes".&nbsp;&nbsp;Insurance companies are basically making the rules which we (law-abiding people) have to live by live by.&nbsp; </P>
<P>They're basically saying, and charging us for it, because&nbsp;all the "cages" on the road aren't&nbsp;paying attention to the road!&nbsp;&nbsp;Not too long ago, motorcycle insurance was considered "cheap", because the other vehicles were causing the damage.&nbsp; </P>
<P>Recently, the insurance industry was going to raise the rates for "SUV" owners, because&nbsp;<EM>statistically </EM>they are in an overly large amount of accidents...Did they really end up accomplishing the extremely high hike they wanted to?&nbsp; &nbsp; There was&nbsp;a big stink to the hike for SUV's.&nbsp; Can we, as motorcyclists,&nbsp;do the same???&nbsp; .</P>
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Can't remember what pundit said it, but it went something like, "You may
hate Johnny Cochran.  But if you kill your wife tonight, you'll want him
to be your lawyer in the morning."

I bet the 2 to 3 times greater estimate of claims settled by lawyers is
actually understated.  I bet many potential claims are ignored all
together by insurance companies when approached without counsel.  Sort of
like rape - a lot goes unreported.  Pretty apt analogy, if I do say so
myself.

USAA is discouraging certain settlements.  I was sponsored last year by a
"storm chaser", and he had great success getting insurance companies to
"buy complete wraps", except with USAA.  They apparently decided to draw
a line in the sand, according to the siding guy and my neighbors covered,
or so they thought, by USAA.  

PHD is not a professional designation.  It is an academic one.  The
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Public Accountants, and prostitutes, as it should be.  I'm a CPA, but
willing to work in one of the other three professions if no additional
formal education is required.  Of course, I've been told I have a lot to
learn there, too.

Tom Fitzpatrick, carries papers around, announcer, racer, beer taster

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Can you get a hold of me tonight through email or on IM (GS500Gal).  Thanks!

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Well, so far, State farm leads the insurance contenders, with a yearly
quote of $520, followed by Geico cycle guard at $560.  Progressive isn't
even in contention, at $900 / year.  Nationwide - "will not insure a
motorcycle at this point unless I already have existing policies with
them" - starting new ones won't qualify me.  Damn they seem high, I was
paying less than 300 smackers from Allstate for 50/100/50 coverage, $100
deductible...

all of this is based on my '90 ZX11, driven about 5k / year, year round
policy, garaged, pleasure use, AMA member, MSF class graduate, no
tickets, but one accident 1/00.  tomorrow, I call a few recommended by
DCC agents, and a few companies I've missed.  I'd consider moving
homeowners & cage policies, but I really do like the work my insurance
agent has done for me so far, and Allstate has consistently been lower
on our vehicles / home in the past...  time will tell...



Dave Yates
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LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
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So the new 2002 catalogs are coming out there lots of new offerings.

Last year there was a lot of discussion about the Joe Rocket Phoenix. 
Joe Rocket now has a new one called 'Reactor'. Has anyone seen (or own) 
one? How is it?

On the same lines, other companies have similar jackets now. Anyone seen 
the Arlen Ness Air Tech?

Opinions?

-john


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--- John West <johnw@XXXXXX> wrote:
> So the new 2002 catalogs are coming out there lots of new offerings.
> 
> Last year there was a lot of discussion about the Joe Rocket Phoenix.
> 
> Joe Rocket now has a new one called 'Reactor'. Has anyone seen (or
> own) 
> one? How is it?

I had a good up and close look at one at Clinton Cycles the other day.
BTW, they have a sale this weekend: 10/15% off of everything in the
store. The price they posted was $180 which is pretty much MSRP.

I thought the jacket would have been ideal - solid leather with some
perf combined with max air-flow thru their mesh stuff. With the leather
so festooned with holes though, I had considerable misgivings about
it's veracity and wrote my concerns to JR. (please realize I'm used to
wearing 1.5mm or better leather so this example seemed more appropriate
for a football jersey instead of motorcycling)

I enquired as to robustness and abrasion resistance etc. and why there
is no data being published about these garments. In the USA there is
nobody who specifies minimums like they do for helmets or like CE does
overseas. The VP of sales, no less wrote me back and said they don't
post results of tests because somebody used that information against
them in a lawsuit. (why am I not surprised...) But he did stress that
they expend a lot of effort in testing and that the free-air mesh that
comprised the Phoenix and now the Reactor is easily comparable to 500
weight Cordura the likes of which you see on Tourmaster attire or the
Aerostich's non-RoadCrafter line.

So, with that piece of data combined with his mentioning that they've
received at least 7 crash-tested Phoenix's to study and analyze and
that they held up very well (whatever that means) it's probably a very
decent garment. I wouldn't consider the Phoenix myself but the extra
robustness and integrity offered by the Reactor line might very well
interest me.

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At 10:41 PM 3/21/2002, matthew patton wrote:
>....With the leather
>so festooned with holes though, I had considerable misgivings about
>it's veracity and wrote my concerns to JR.


Matthew, Matthew, Matthew -- festooned leather *never* tells the truth. You 
should know that.

And since JR was shot, *of course* his jacket was festooned with holes.

-- Larry

(Much shaking of head..."festoon" in dc-cycles. Who'da thunk it. Must be 
all this talk of PhDs and such.)






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Well said.

Roy D. Turner, esq.
www.cfolaw.com

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Can't remember what pundit said it, but it went something like, "You may
> hate Johnny Cochran.  But if you kill your wife tonight, you'll want him
> to be your lawyer in the morning."
> 
> I bet the 2 to 3 times greater estimate of claims settled by lawyers is
> actually understated.  I bet many potential claims are ignored all
> together by insurance companies when approached without counsel.  Sort of
> like rape - a lot goes unreported.  Pretty apt analogy, if I do say so
> myself.
> 
> USAA is discouraging certain settlements.  I was sponsored last year by a
> "storm chaser", and he had great success getting insurance companies to
> "buy complete wraps", except with USAA.  They apparently decided to draw
> a line in the sand, according to the siding guy and my neighbors covered,
> or so they thought, by USAA.  
> 
> PHD is not a professional designation.  It is an academic one.  The
> designation of "professional" is limited to Doctors, Lawyers, Certified
> Public Accountants, and prostitutes, as it should be.  I'm a CPA, but
> willing to work in one of the other three professions if no additional
> formal education is required.  Of course, I've been told I have a lot to
> learn there, too.
> 
> Tom Fitzpatrick, carries papers around, announcer, racer, beer taster
> 
> CCS#80'6  (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors:
> *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX  (703)818-8890
> (www.fastlanecycles.com)
> *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX
> (www.racingleather.com)
> *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX
> (www.nbracesites.com)
> *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525
> mike.watt@XXXXXX



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My Allstate insurance went up to $576 per year this time around.  I checked Progrssive and they wanted $880.  Geico wouldn't even give me a quote.  The e-mail I got back said they could not underwrite me at this time based on the information I had given.  Explains a lot, don't it?  I'll stick with Allstate.  Afterall, last year it went down to $300 from $500 because I turned 30.  I'm just back to where I started.  :-)

Scooter

In a message dated Thu, 21 Mar 2002  9:38:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX> writes:

> Well, so far, State farm leads the insurance contenders, with a yearly
> quote of $520, followed by Geico cycle guard at $560.  Progressive isn't
> even in contention, at $900 / year.  Nationwide - "will not insure a
> motorcycle at this point unless I already have existing policies with
> them" - starting new ones won't qualify me.  Damn they seem high, I was
> paying less than 300 smackers from Allstate for 50/100/50 coverage, $100
> deductible...
> 
> all of this is based on my '90 ZX11, driven about 5k / year, year round
> policy, garaged, pleasure use, AMA member, MSF class graduate, no
> tickets, but one accident 1/00.  tomorrow, I call a few recommended by
> DCC agents, and a few companies I've missed.  I'd consider moving
> homeowners & cage policies, but I really do like the work my insurance
> agent has done for me so far, and Allstate has consistently been lower
> on our vehicles / home in the past...  time will tell...
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Yates
> '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
> LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
> http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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>I didn't pay anything to get the personalized plates, other than the >$10
>yearly fee.  Peanuts.  So it was basically a trade-in.  I guess I'll >keep
>the plates until they say they want them.  Now only if I had a garage >to
>hang them in...

>cliff

Hang them above your bed...  they make nice clanging noises during romantic 
interludes.




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Who rode in this morning?  Anyone find their bike on its side this morning?
I found the ride pretty darn cold but nowhere near as frightening as last
night's ride home.  I was stuck at the office until 10:00 pm trying to put a
Novell server back online after multiple hiccups and by the time I left the
winds were at their worst.  Lane changes were quite easy and spontaneous. :)
Of course, the cages don't have the same problem so they ride right up next
to you not realizing that you might become one with their door at any given
moment.  This morning I found my cover half off, but otherwise the bike was
fine.  Since my server crash managed to inconvenience every living soul in
the building they've actually given me a real budget for a change.  Anyone
out there have experience rolling out Windows Terminal Server?  If so I
could sure use some advice offlist.
Thanks,
Cedric
2000 CBR600F4 Parasail 

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Hot Dang!  The geez who wiped me out with a left turn in front of me
which trashed my scoot and put me in the ambulance got fined a measily
$25!  Proof that this law should got into effect - even if it a $200
fine is still rather wimpy for attempted vehicular manslaughter.

Bill
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Dale Horstman wrote:

> http://www.americanmotor.com/news.cfm?newsid=1928
>
> It's on the governor's desk already?  First I
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Anybody willing to trade a trailer for my Old Town canoe?

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I rode today and I elected not to put the bike cover on last night lest I
suffer horizontal bike syndrome.  Luckily I got home before the wind started
howling last night.  Those were some of the fiercest winds I've witnessed in
DC.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F

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> Who rode in this morning?  Anyone find their bike on its side this
morning?
> I found the ride pretty darn cold but nowhere near as frightening as last
> night's ride home.


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At 09:15 AM 3/22/02 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote:
>I rode today and I elected not to put the bike cover on last night lest I
>suffer horizontal bike syndrome.  Luckily I got home before the wind started
>howling last night.  Those were some of the fiercest winds I've witnessed in
>DC.
>
>Paul in DC
>95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F

You guys are definately hardcore.  I rode yesterday in the ~60 degree
temps, but was home with my bike in the garage before the wind started.

Ride safe!

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>Luckily I got home
> before the wind started
> howling last night.  Those were some of the fiercest
> winds I've witnessed in
> DC.
>

After playing hooky from work yesterday, i went to
work just for awhile last night and finished just in
time to ride in the wind. FREAKING COLD,  and i got
the lean into the wind down with varying the angle
according to the gusts.  It was little bit like an
obstacle course as well with allot of shit blowing
into the road.



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As Paul can tell you Architects are also professionals.  I can't wait to put
AIA after my name on every email after I pass the exam ;).

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Can't remember what pundit said it, but it went something like, "You may
hate Johnny Cochran.  But if you kill your wife tonight, you'll want him
to be your lawyer in the morning."

I bet the 2 to 3 times greater estimate of claims settled by lawyers is
actually understated.  I bet many potential claims are ignored all
together by insurance companies when approached without counsel.  Sort of
like rape - a lot goes unreported.  Pretty apt analogy, if I do say so
myself.

USAA is discouraging certain settlements.  I was sponsored last year by a
"storm chaser", and he had great success getting insurance companies to
"buy complete wraps", except with USAA.  They apparently decided to draw
a line in the sand, according to the siding guy and my neighbors covered,
or so they thought, by USAA.  

PHD is not a professional designation.  It is an academic one.  The
designation of "professional" is limited to Doctors, Lawyers, Certified
Public Accountants, and prostitutes, as it should be.  I'm a CPA, but
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formal education is required.  Of course, I've been told I have a lot to
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I have a "standard" with All State, not a sportbike, but plan on getting a
sport bike one day and am thinking about moving my bike, cage, and renters
from them, because I don't want to support them.  I can't believe you still
want to give them business.

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Well, so far, State farm leads the insurance contenders, with a yearly
quote of $520, followed by Geico cycle guard at $560.  Progressive isn't
even in contention, at $900 / year.  Nationwide - "will not insure a
motorcycle at this point unless I already have existing policies with
them" - starting new ones won't qualify me.  Damn they seem high, I was
paying less than 300 smackers from Allstate for 50/100/50 coverage, $100
deductible...

all of this is based on my '90 ZX11, driven about 5k / year, year round
policy, garaged, pleasure use, AMA member, MSF class graduate, no
tickets, but one accident 1/00.  tomorrow, I call a few recommended by
DCC agents, and a few companies I've missed.  I'd consider moving
homeowners & cage policies, but I really do like the work my insurance
agent has done for me so far, and Allstate has consistently been lower
on our vehicles / home in the past...  time will tell...



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
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Rode the LTD454 in, my Widders keep the hands warm but I still need help in 
the toes dept. Not too bad of a ride till I hit a brief snow shower on 66 
just where the HOV lanes start near Manasty.


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>Who rode in this morning?  Anyone find their bike on its side this morning?
>I found the ride pretty darn cold but nowhere near as frightening as last
>night's ride home.  I was stuck at the office until 10:00 pm trying to put 
>a
>Novell server back online after multiple hiccups and by the time I left the
>winds were at their worst.  Lane changes were quite easy and spontaneous. 
>:)
>Of course, the cages don't have the same problem so they ride right up next
>to you not realizing that you might become one with their door at any given
>moment.  This morning I found my cover half off, but otherwise the bike was
>fine.  Since my server crash managed to inconvenience every living soul in
>the building they've actually given me a real budget for a change.  Anyone
>out there have experience rolling out Windows Terminal Server?  If so I
>could sure use some advice offlist.
>Thanks,
>Cedric
>2000 CBR600F4 Parasail


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> That's sheep-porn now.  I've moved on.  :P

you must know dysart....



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I ...am thinking about moving my bike, cage, and renters from them, 
because I don't want to support them.  I can't believe you still want 
to give them business.

  <DJY>  You bring up a good point.  I'd rather my money go to 
someone other than allstate right now, OTOH, there's the ugly GEICO 
incident, in which my mother, insured by (allegedly) GEICO at the 
time, was struck by another vehicle from behind.  The operator was 
uninsured, but the vehicle was covered by a GEICO policy - the drunk 
driver's wife.  GEICO refused my mother ANY settlement money 
including simple repairs to the car.  The impact was 35 mph, and she 
still suffers from that injury.  She evacuated her savings to pay the 
medical bills she could afford, got a lawyer & had to sue GEICO for 
the rest.  Of course, as the doctors were writing nasty notes to the 
credit reporting agencies, there's absolutely zero that can be done 
about that.  Eventually, my mother prevailed after about a year.  She 
got money for the lawyer, medical bills and about 2k smackers.  
  In the grand scheme of things, I've had GEICO fill a claim & 
allstate.  Allstate wins hands down for service.  My agent is also 
particularly helpful, and their rates on cages & house have been 
consistently lower.  While I disagree with their motorcycle policy 
belligerence, they've not sufficiently offended me so as to remove 
all my business from them at my expense... now, if someone offers me 
like service at lower rates.. that's another matter...

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While I have yet to add to my Gerbings upper body set up (liner and gloves), 
I've had very good luck keeping the feet/toes warm with a pair of Smart Wool 
socks.  I think they are their 'Expedition Trekking' series.  I find them 
much warmer and even thinner than the Thorlo ski socks I used to wear 
motorcycling and skiing.  You can find them at places like Galyan's, HTO, 
etc.   YMMV.

Just my two cents.

Rob
'98 VFR800


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Rode the LTD454 in, my Widders keep the hands warm but I still need help in
the toes dept. Not too bad of a ride till I hit a brief snow shower on 66
just where the HOV lanes start near Manasty.



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Paul Wilson wrote:
> 
> I rode today and I elected not to put the bike cover on last night lest I
> suffer horizontal bike syndrome.  Luckily I got home before the wind started
> howling last night.  Those were some of the fiercest winds I've witnessed in
> DC.

I went out and pulled the half-covers off the Connies last night,
since they can catch air and topple the bikes over.  All the bikes
were upright this morning, thank goodness.

Cold ride in this morning.  Welcome to Spring!

Horkster

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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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Last December I got a pair of Gerbing's socks for the "winter" and only wore
them a  few times.  I find I don't really need them unless it's below 35 and
I'm going to be riding for more than a couple of hours.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
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> While I have yet to add to my Gerbings upper body set up (liner and
gloves),
> I've had very good luck keeping the feet/toes warm with a pair of Smart
Wool
> socks.  I think they are their 'Expedition Trekking' series.  I find them
> much warmer and even thinner than the Thorlo ski socks I used to wear
> motorcycling and skiing.  You can find them at places like Galyan's, HTO,
> etc.   YMMV.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Rob
> '98 VFR800
>
>
> From: "Razz Man" <razzsounds@XXXXXX>
>
> Rode the LTD454 in, my Widders keep the hands warm but I still need help
in
> the toes dept. Not too bad of a ride till I hit a brief snow shower on 66
> just where the HOV lanes start near Manasty.



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At 10:06 AM 3/22/2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:
>   In the grand scheme of things, I've had GEICO fill a claim &
>allstate.  Allstate wins hands down for service.  My agent is also
>particularly helpful, and their rates on cages & house have been
>consistently lower.  While I disagree with their motorcycle policy
>belligerence, they've not sufficiently offended me so as to remove
>all my business from them at my expense... now, if someone offers me
>like service at lower rates.. that's another matter...

Thousands of stories as bad or worse about every insurance company.  A 
bunch of DC-Cyclers rag on USAA.  Personally - I love them.  Hail 
damage?  Check in hand one week later for house and bike.  Cage wheels 
stolen?  Check in hand two days later.  They are inexpensive, friendly and 
incredibly helpful.  I have my house, two cars and a bike with them, and I 
wouldn't even consider changing.  But just the same, I am sure they have 
raped more than a few people in their time.  And if they stopped insuring 
bikes or tried raising rates selectively, I would drop them and make sure 
they knew where their business went.


___________________________________________

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i've got a tuff n lite single rail trailer.

what type of canoe is it (i'd like to find it on their
website)?



--- Tom Knapik <t_knapik@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Anybody willing to trade a trailer for my Old Town canoe?


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Subject: Allsports gathering Tuesday night

For those who have contacted me, here's the final plan.

Tuesday night, March 26, 2002

Meet at All Sports between 7:15 - 7:30.  If you're not there by 7:30...you can find me on the track! :)

I'd suggest bringing your own helmet unless you want to stick your head in their sweaty rentals. LOL.

www.allsportsgp.com

Track closes at 9, so feel free to join me for a beer afterwards.

If you have any other questions, let me know. Let the games begin! 

LAG

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riding a MC used to be cheap. But somehow I can't equate a sportbike
with cheap transportation. You get yourself an 80's or 90's standard
bike like a CB750, ZR-7, GS5/6/700, EX500 etc and you should see
reasonable rates. If you can afford to buy/maint a sportbike, IMO you
can pay the rates.

I do think the gouging is a little fierce but maybe it's finally coming
to roost, this penchant for people having the insurance company pay
thru the nose for plastic bodywork damage? Maybe the 'sportbike'
community deserves a little of their own medicine? Just because the
insurance company dished out doesn't mean they print their own money =
it has to come from somebody. If you yourself had to pony up the $1000
to buy your replacement bodywork would you think twice about the manner
in which you ride?

I spend $200 each for full coverage (collision and comprehensive) on my
Nighthawk and Trident. With Geico. Maybe it's time for the insurance
companies to get a little creative and have an option to simply not
cover any bodywork damage. And to educate both the consumer and the
estimators to quit inflating the cost of repairs and parts and to only
fix what is essential for safe and legal operation on the road. If you
want scratched or dinged chrome or gas tank fixed you pay your own
money.

Geico totaled my Trident. The estimate was something over 2500. It
needed $200 *TOPS* to return to perfectly good road-going condition. So
yes, part of the insurance company's pain is self-inflicted but it also
stems from the IMO unreasonable demands by the owner that the bike be
returned to perfect condition.

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Yep, rat bikes.  My Interceptor's liability-only policy is dirt cheap.

As to your last statement, why buy comp/collision coverage if the coverage
won't return your bike to its prior condition, less deductible, or failing
that a cash settlement in the event of a total?  That's the contractual
relationship I have with the company in exchange for my premium payment.
I'm not sure I understand the argument that we shouldn't file a claim or
accept lowball settlements or half-assed repairs in exchange for lower rates
across the board.  Can't I do that right now and save even more money?  It's
called self-insurance for collision and comprehensive losses.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F

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> riding a MC used to be cheap. But somehow I can't equate a sportbike
> with cheap transportation. You get yourself an 80's or 90's standard
> bike like a CB750, ZR-7, GS5/6/700, EX500 etc and you should see
> reasonable rates. If you can afford to buy/maint a sportbike, IMO you
> can pay the rates.
>
> I do think the gouging is a little fierce but maybe it's finally coming
> to roost, this penchant for people having the insurance company pay
> thru the nose for plastic bodywork damage? Maybe the 'sportbike'
> community deserves a little of their own medicine? Just because the
> insurance company dished out doesn't mean they print their own money =
> it has to come from somebody. If you yourself had to pony up the $1000
> to buy your replacement bodywork would you think twice about the manner
> in which you ride?
>
> I spend $200 each for full coverage (collision and comprehensive) on my
> Nighthawk and Trident. With Geico. Maybe it's time for the insurance
> companies to get a little creative and have an option to simply not
> cover any bodywork damage. And to educate both the consumer and the
> estimators to quit inflating the cost of repairs and parts and to only
> fix what is essential for safe and legal operation on the road. If you
> want scratched or dinged chrome or gas tank fixed you pay your own
> money.
>
> Geico totaled my Trident. The estimate was something over 2500. It
> needed $200 *TOPS* to return to perfectly good road-going condition. So
> yes, part of the insurance company's pain is self-inflicted but it also
> stems from the IMO unreasonable demands by the owner that the bike be
> returned to perfect condition.


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At 09:46 AM 3/22/02 -0500, RichH@XXXXXX wrote:
>I have a "standard" with All State, not a sportbike, but plan on getting a
>sport bike one day and am thinking about moving my bike, cage, and renters
>from them, because I don't want to support them.  I can't believe you still
>want to give them business.

You state that you use Allstate now, yet chide someone else for considering
giving them business?  :-)

I have my house, 5 cars and my 'Busa with Allstate.  Yes, the MC insurance
is outrageous, but all my cars are below what any other company has quoted
me.  I think my 'Busa premium is like $175 for the bike and a $900
surcharge! =8-o  For comparison, my '85 ZL900 Eliminator and '84 VF1000F
Interceptor were each ~$100 with Allstate.  I don't carry collision on the
Busa, just comprehensive and liability.

FWIW, I have 1 ticket (64/55) and the wife has a minor ($500 loss) accident
in the last 3 years.

I'd love to find a company where I could move over like 1 car and the 'Busa
to lower my bike rate.

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Matthew, more FED up than a Redskin fan at FED UP FIELD, wrote -

riding a MC used to be cheap. But somehow I can't equate a sportbike
with cheap transportation.


  <DJY>  I agree...  CheapER than a cage... but in the long run, I 
could get a 250 rebel to go to & from work...  I simply choose not to.


 You get yourself an 80's or 90's standard
bike like a CB750, ZR-7, GS5/6/700, EX500 etc and you should see
reasonable rates. If you can afford to buy/maint a sportbike, IMO you
can pay the rates.

  <DJY>  Right.  your point ?  I don't think *I* said I couldn't pay 
them, simply that I thought them exhorbitant.  perhaps it was someone 
else.  


I do think the gouging is a little fierce but maybe it's finally 
coming to roost, this penchant for people having the insurance 
company pay thru the nose for plastic bodywork damage? Maybe 
the 'sportbike' community deserves a little of their own medicine? 


  <DJY> If you run a 'sporty' cage & sport bike into something at 
say, 20 mph, which one is going to suffer more monetary damage ???  I 
say the cage.  bodywork is about 1/2 the cost of a new painted 
fender... well, not 1st year new bodywork, but most other...


Just because the insurance company dished out doesn't mean they print 
their own money = it has to come from somebody.


   <DJY> It's amortized by the insured policies.  Before you go off 
on a rant about how we're sticking it to the insurance companies, 
Auto insurance is one of the most profitable enterprises, having not 
posted a loss as an industry in all of recorded history...   


 If you yourself had to pony up the $1000 to buy your replacement 
bodywork would you think twice about the manner in which you ride?

I spend $200 each for full coverage (collision and comprehensive) on 
my Nighthawk and Trident. With Geico. Maybe it's time for the 
insurance companies to get a little creative and have an option to 
simply not cover any bodywork damage. And to educate both the 
consumer and the estimators to quit inflating the cost of repairs and 
parts and to only fix what is essential for safe and legal operation 
on the road. If you want scratched or dinged chrome or gas tank fixed 
you pay your own money.

Geico totaled my Trident. The estimate was something over 2500. It
needed $200 *TOPS* to return to perfectly good road-going condition. 
So yes, part of the insurance company's pain is self-inflicted but it 
also stems from the IMO unreasonable demands by the owner that the 
bike be returned to perfect condition.

  <DJY>  Why is that unreasonable ?  nodbody's putting a gun to the 
head of the insurance agents to write the policies...  The least they 
can do is live up to them...

We're just complaining about cost...  

Dave 



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Virginia voters wanted more taxes hence, they voted for this politico who
told the voters ( in no uncertain terms) that he was GOING to raise taxes. I
thought, and Gilmore didn't follow this paradigm, that when you cut the tax
base, you also cut spending and reigned in those processes and programs that
were wasteful abuses of tax dollars.  Maybe I'll buy a personalized license
plate that reads VA SUX.




Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:21:26 -0500
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Subject: First I heard of this
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http://www.americanmotor.com/news.cfm?newsid=1928

It's on the governor's desk already?  First I
heard of it.  Anyway, I hope he can make room
in his busy tax-raising plans and put his signature
on it.

Horkster

Very Respectfully

gb



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Yeah, right.  The fact of the matter is that Gilmore didn't cut taxes at
all; he increased state spending by riding the economic high.  I assume
you're referring to the car tax rebate swindle. The tax didn't really get
cut, it just got shifted to the state treasury, so it was actually a
*spending increase* from the state budget's point of view.  All the city and
county vehicle tax levies are now borne by the state's taxpayers at large,
rather than individual taxpayers in each jurisdiction.  Luckily for Jimbo,
the Va. governor is a lame duck the minute he's sworn in so the feces
conveniently hits the fan on someone else's watch.  Doug Wilder did the same
thing.  So the smart Va. guv puts all the goodies up front and schedules the
"pain" for the out years after you've left office.

Paul in DC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruhl, George LT" <GBruhl@XXXXXX>

> Virginia voters wanted more taxes hence, they voted for this politico who
> told the voters ( in no uncertain terms) that he was GOING to raise taxes.
I
> thought, and Gilmore didn't follow this paradigm, that when you cut the
tax
> base, you also cut spending and reigned in those processes and programs
that
> were wasteful abuses of tax dollars.  Maybe I'll buy a personalized
license
> plate that reads VA SUX.


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Having experience in cover pulling the bike over to the side, I elected to
put mine on rear stand.

It worked :)


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: <bernescut@XXXXXX>; <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:15 AM
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> I rode today and I elected not to put the bike cover on last night lest I
> suffer horizontal bike syndrome.  Luckily I got home before the wind
started
> howling last night.  Those were some of the fiercest winds I've witnessed
in
> DC.
>
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bernescut@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:30 AM
> Subject: ride in today/OT IT question
>
>
> > Who rode in this morning?  Anyone find their bike on its side this
> morning?
> > I found the ride pretty darn cold but nowhere near as frightening as
last
> > night's ride home.
>
>



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From: Robert Verde <c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX>
Subject: Brrr...
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Bit chilly out there this morning, boys and girls, so I was glad to see that I
wasn't the only lunatic riding amidst the snowflakes; gave me a chance to
finally meet the Horkster.  (It turns out that we work at the same building, for
the same company in Chantilly, go figure...)  Howdy, Dale!  Of course, he cheats
by riding a full-dresser Concours, whereas I freeze 'em on a semi-faired
Interceptor, but we won't get into religious wars on this genteel list.  =8->

I have to say that the combo of the First Gear Kilimanjaro jacket and overpants
really does the trick in keeping the torso/legs/arms warm, and the biker's
head-sock (balaclava?) kept the chill out of the helmet.  A pair of ski socks
and the touring boots were toasty.  But Held gloves, even with silk inner
liners, are just not warm enough for weather like today.  I was glad to discover
that the upper right radiator hose on my Honda is just in the right place to
warm up my frozen digits while idling at stoplights.  The left hand I could warm
on the alternator cover; are those supposed to be that hot?!

Robert Verde

'83 Honda VF750F


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Actually I'm referring to the current governor Mark Warner, who promised a
raise in taxes... and WON the election on that platform AND... is doing just
that!  Why should tax raises be unexpected....  they were voted for.

Which brings up another question....  do DC residents really want a
representative?  I would push the  "No Rep No Taxes" issue... ya'll are
being taxed without representation... so with congress dragging there feet
on the issue, demand a release from federal taxes.  Then perhaps you will
get either a Representative or a tax break. If you were to achieve a federal
waiver of taxes based on residency...  wouldn't everyone be flocking to the
golden gates of the District of Columbia to share in the good fortune?




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:03 PM
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Subject: Re: That's Virginny for you


Yeah, right.  The fact of the matter is that Gilmore didn't cut taxes at
all; he increased state spending by riding the economic high.  I assume
you're referring to the car tax rebate swindle. The tax didn't really get
cut, it just got shifted to the state treasury, so it was actually a
*spending increase* from the state budget's point of view.  All the city and
county vehicle tax levies are now borne by the state's taxpayers at large,
rather than individual taxpayers in each jurisdiction.  Luckily for Jimbo,
the Va. governor is a lame duck the minute he's sworn in so the feces
conveniently hits the fan on someone else's watch.  Doug Wilder did the same
thing.  So the smart Va. guv puts all the goodies up front and schedules the
"pain" for the out years after you've left office.

Paul in DC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruhl, George LT" <GBruhl@XXXXXX>

> Virginia voters wanted more taxes hence, they voted for this politico who
> told the voters ( in no uncertain terms) that he was GOING to raise taxes.
I
> thought, and Gilmore didn't follow this paradigm, that when you cut the
tax
> base, you also cut spending and reigned in those processes and programs
that
> were wasteful abuses of tax dollars.  Maybe I'll buy a personalized
license
> plate that reads VA SUX.

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Robert Verde wrote:

> Bit chilly out there this morning, boys and girls, so I was glad to see that I
> wasn't the only lunatic riding amidst the snowflakes; gave me a chance to
> finally meet the Horkster.  (It turns out that we work at the same building, for
> the same company in Chantilly, go figure...)  Howdy, Dale!  Of course, he cheats
> by riding a full-dresser Concours, whereas I freeze 'em on a semi-faired
> Interceptor, but we won't get into religious wars on this genteel list.  =8->
>
> I have to say that the combo of the First Gear Kilimanjaro jacket and overpants
> really does the trick in keeping the torso/legs/arms warm, and the biker's
> head-sock (balaclava?) kept the chill out of the helmet.  A pair of ski socks
> and the touring boots were toasty.  But Held gloves, even with silk inner
> liners, are just not warm enough for weather like today.  I was glad to discover
> that the upper right radiator hose on my Honda is just in the right place to
> warm up my frozen digits while idling at stoplights.  The left hand I could warm
> on the alternator cover; are those supposed to be that hot?!
>
> Robert Verde
>
> '83 Honda VF750F

Yes, the Honda alternator cover will get very hot because the Honda alternator is
very busy frying the Honda voltage regulator!

Bill


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A lady friend of mine broke her stator cover on her F4.

Can anyone tell me where is a good place to find a stronger race
version?

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Paul Wilson wrote:

> Yeah, right.  The fact of the matter is that Gilmore didn't cut taxes at
> all; he increased state spending by riding the economic high.  I assume
> you're referring to the car tax rebate swindle. The tax didn't really get
> cut, it just got shifted to the state treasury, so it was actually a
> *spending increase* from the state budget's point of view.  All the city and
> county vehicle tax levies are now borne by the state's taxpayers at large,
> rather than individual taxpayers in each jurisdiction.

You forgot to mention that the task of calculating and distributing general
funds to the counties to cover the "no car tax" loss requires a massive increase
in man/womanpower. Jimbo Bubba Gilmore failed to include that in his original
cost estimate which was less than half the actual cost anyway.  But hey, we
shouldn't expect a lawyer to have more than a third grade grasp of arithmetic.

Bill


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I seriously doubt Jim bob thought about any of it...  he just used the same
state government workers every other governor used previous to his term...
hey wait a minute... we may be on to something here.



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Paul Wilson wrote:

> Yeah, right.  The fact of the matter is that Gilmore didn't cut taxes at
> all; he increased state spending by riding the economic high.  I assume
> you're referring to the car tax rebate swindle. The tax didn't really get
> cut, it just got shifted to the state treasury, so it was actually a
> *spending increase* from the state budget's point of view.  All the city
and
> county vehicle tax levies are now borne by the state's taxpayers at large,
> rather than individual taxpayers in each jurisdiction.

You forgot to mention that the task of calculating and distributing general
funds to the counties to cover the "no car tax" loss requires a massive
increase
in man/womanpower. Jimbo Bubba Gilmore failed to include that in his
original
cost estimate which was less than half the actual cost anyway.  But hey, we
shouldn't expect a lawyer to have more than a third grade grasp of
arithmetic.

Bill

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There's about a zero-percent chance of either of those things happening.
Congress, especially the Republicans, has a good deal going right now.
They've got A) a legal way to prevent adding urban left-wing legislators to
either house, B) several billion dollars in federal income taxes paid by DC
residents to spend and C) their own little private playpen to pass all sorts
of "social rider" legislation in order to suck up to the "lifestyle
lobbies."  I'd like to see Bob Barr and his ilk try to inflict some of the
crap on their own constituents that they do on DC.  What earthly reason
would they have for wanting to change that?

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruhl, George LT" <GBruhl@XXXXXX>

>
> Which brings up another question....  do DC residents really want a
> representative?  I would push the  "No Rep No Taxes" issue... ya'll are
> being taxed without representation... so with congress dragging there feet
> on the issue, demand a release from federal taxes.  Then perhaps you will
> get either a Representative or a tax break. If you were to achieve a
federal
> waiver of taxes based on residency...  wouldn't everyone be flocking to
the
> golden gates of the District of Columbia to share in the good fortune?


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ROTFLMAO.
No, that would be horse porn!  ;-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> you must know dysart....
> 
> 
> 
> --
> tg


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"Bruhl, George LT" wrote:

> If you were to achieve a federal
> waiver of taxes based on residency...  wouldn't everyone be flocking to the
> golden gates of the District of Columbia to share in the good fortune?

Uhh, no.

:)

Dale

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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
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'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
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Actually I'm referring to the current governor Mark Warner, who 
promised a raise in taxes... and WON the election on that platform 
AND... is doing just that!  Why should tax raises be unexpected....  
they were voted for.


  <DJY>  Actually, I think Warner waffled during the campaign & only 
agreed to allow a referendum vote on increasing taxes as opposed to 
advocating a legislative increase.  While the difference is purely 
semantic, there is a difference.  


Which brings up another question....  do DC residents really want a
representative?  I would push the  "No Rep No Taxes" issue... ya'll 
are being taxed without representation... so with congress dragging 
there feet on the issue, demand a release from federal taxes.


   <DJY>  Here we go again...  DC took this to a Federal Appeals 
court recently, and IIRC, were unanimously rejected on Constitutional 
grounds (the exact reasoning has long faded from memory).  Nobody in 
DC now that is of legal age can claim they are unaware or unable to 
find out about DC 's federal district status.  DC is a prime example 
of local / home rule gone wrong.  Hopefully, Congress will condition 
the DC budget on a new DC plate being issued to all DC Drivers 
replacing their silly 'taxation without representation' with a holo 
camera image on the plate and the slogan 'We Just want your MONEY'
   


  Then perhaps you will get either a Representative or a tax break. 
If you were to achieve a federal waiver of taxes based on 
residency...  wouldn't everyone be flocking to the
golden gates of the District of Columbia to share in the good fortune?

  <DJY>  All of us are already paying for a $5000.00 home buyer 
credit for EACH and every swingin' richard that buy's a home in 
DC...  The folks in DC Government can't manage money.  The folks in 
DC keep sending them back at each election...  What do you want to 
bet Marion Barry gets elected again ?  
 

Dave



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Bill;

It's a possibility, I will admit.

For background, I've been a long-term lurker on the VF/VFR lists, and have
followed the ongoing discussion(s) about the regulator/rectifier issue with much
interest.  After I got my Interceptor three years ago, I replaced a
melted/charred section of the wiring loom between the alternator and the
rectifier, another lister gave me the Honda part number for the repair kit, so
it must have be a common problem.

Since then I have kept an eye on the wiring, but have had no signs of failure or
excessive heat.  It may help that much of my riding has been in either the great
North-Wet (Portland, OR) or during winter weather in NoVa.  Summer time seems to
be my time to tear down the bike and do "fixes" for imaginary problems, so I
haven't ridden in hot weather for very long.

The bike has 37k miles on it, so I am about due for a new reg/rect if the flaw
is present in my bike, but I'm crossing my fingers that I have one of the
sixty/seventy percent of bikes which do not seem to experience such an
electrical system failure (again, according to Troutman's survey).  Otherwise,
I'm sure I'll be putting in my order for another new Honda part.  At this rate,
the bike will be completely new, since I've replaced or repaired virtually every
other part of the machine...

I was curious, though, as I mentioned in my original post, if the alternator
cover on a Honda is usually as warm to the touch as the clutch cover, less so,
or more so?  Given city driving patterns, anyway.  I thought I remembered from
my old Suzuki GS450S that the alternator cover would get somewhat warm to the
touch, but not as hot as the clutch cover, since there was hot oil inside one
and the other was relatively oil-free.  However, the alternator cover is the one
with the stylized cooling fins cast into it, so perhaps they do run "hot."  Any
feedback from other Honda riders?

Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:10 PM
To: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX
Cc: DC Cycles (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Brrr...

Robert Verde wrote:

<snipped>  I was glad to discover
> that the upper right radiator hose on my Honda is just in the right place to
> warm up my frozen digits while idling at stoplights.  The left hand I could
warm
> on the alternator cover; are those supposed to be that hot?!
>
> Robert Verde
>
> '83 Honda VF750F

Yes, the Honda alternator cover will get very hot because the Honda alternator
is
very busy frying the Honda voltage regulator!

Bill


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...I'd like to see Bob Barr and his ilk try to inflict some of the
crap on their own constituents that they do on DC.  What earthly 
reason would they have for wanting to change that?

  <DJY> Having no special place in my heart for Barr, I have to say 
that I can understand Congress reluctance.  Eleanor Norton is the 
most hateful, racist pig you could ever wish to hear.  I've heard her 
twice at a stump speech & a military ceremony, launching in to 
diatribes that would make Louis Farrakhan blush.  

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VA already did its share, it's time for MD to absorb the rest of DC.

They already get a louder voice in the Presidential elections (3 electoral
votes for a relatively miniscule population)....

--jon the troll

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruhl, George LT [mailto:GBruhl@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:10 PM
> To: 'Paul Wilson'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'horkster@XXXXXX'
> Subject: Not at all MC related except for maybe road resurfacing.
>
>
> Actually I'm referring to the current governor Mark Warner, who promised a
> raise in taxes... and WON the election on that platform AND... is
> doing just
> that!  Why should tax raises be unexpected....  they were voted for.
>
> Which brings up another question....  do DC residents really want a
> representative?  I would push the  "No Rep No Taxes" issue... ya'll are
> being taxed without representation... so with congress dragging there feet
> on the issue, demand a release from federal taxes.  Then perhaps you will
> get either a Representative or a tax break. If you were to
> achieve a federal
> waiver of taxes based on residency...  wouldn't everyone be
> flocking to the
> golden gates of the District of Columbia to share in the good fortune?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:03 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: That's Virginny for you
>
>
> Yeah, right.  The fact of the matter is that Gilmore didn't cut taxes at
> all; he increased state spending by riding the economic high.  I assume
> you're referring to the car tax rebate swindle. The tax didn't really get
> cut, it just got shifted to the state treasury, so it was actually a
> *spending increase* from the state budget's point of view.  All
> the city and
> county vehicle tax levies are now borne by the state's taxpayers at large,
> rather than individual taxpayers in each jurisdiction.  Luckily for Jimbo,
> the Va. governor is a lame duck the minute he's sworn in so the feces
> conveniently hits the fan on someone else's watch.  Doug Wilder
> did the same
> thing.  So the smart Va. guv puts all the goodies up front and
> schedules the
> "pain" for the out years after you've left office.
>
> Paul in DC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruhl, George LT" <GBruhl@XXXXXX>
>
> > Virginia voters wanted more taxes hence, they voted for this
> politico who
> > told the voters ( in no uncertain terms) that he was GOING to
> raise taxes.
> I
> > thought, and Gilmore didn't follow this paradigm, that when you cut the
> tax
> > base, you also cut spending and reigned in those processes and programs
> that
> > were wasteful abuses of tax dollars.  Maybe I'll buy a personalized
> license
> > plate that reads VA SUX.
>


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I was thinking more of "the beatings will continue until morale improves" as
a plate motto. Unfortunately it's a little long and PG has first dibs on
that one.

Paul in DC
----- Original Message -----
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
Hopefully, Congress will condition
> the DC budget on a new DC plate being issued to all DC Drivers
> replacing their silly 'taxation without representation' with a holo
> camera image on the plate and the slogan 'We Just want your MONEY'
>
>
>



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"Bruhl, George LT" wrote:
> 
> Actually I'm referring to the current governor Mark Warner, who promised a
> raise in taxes... and WON the election on that platform AND... is doing just
> that!  Why should tax raises be unexpected....  they were voted for.

Wow, I've never met anyone as excited about paying higher taxes than
you seem to be, George.  Congratulations, I hope you enjoy it.  Me,
I didn't vote for your tax-raising savior, and am hoping all his little
schemes get smacked down until his lame-duck ass is out of office.

http://www.stopsalestax.org/
http://www.pwtaxpayers.com/

I personally think Der KommonVealth of Virginia takes enough of
a chunk of my pay to more than cover the maintainence of roads, 
the running of schools, and keaping of the peace.  That they do such
a miserable job with the money they already have is no freaking 
reason to give those greedy bastards even MORE of my money.

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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
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OK, then following that reasoning, Youngstown, Ohio, shouldn't get
representation because they send buffoons like Traficant to the House?

Here's another thought.  DC has "throwaway" democracy.  By that I mean does
it really matter who you elect as Mayor or to a rump parliament like the DC
Council because Congress calls the shots anyway?  So as a voter, who are you
going to elect?  The biggest, baddest, loudmouth tin-horn you can find who's
going to skewer "the man" at every opportunity?  It goes a long way to
explaining the ongoing and utterly bizarre appeal of Mayor-for-Life Marion
Barry.

Paul in DC
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>
> ...I'd like to see Bob Barr and his ilk try to inflict some of the
> crap on their own constituents that they do on DC.  What earthly
> reason would they have for wanting to change that?
>
>   <DJY> Having no special place in my heart for Barr, I have to say
> that I can understand Congress reluctance.  Eleanor Norton is the
> most hateful, racist pig you could ever wish to hear.  I've heard her
> twice at a stump speech & a military ceremony, launching in to
> diatribes that would make Louis Farrakhan blush.
>
> Dave


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Robert Verde wrote:
> 
> Bit chilly out there this morning, boys and girls, so I was glad to see that I
> wasn't the only lunatic riding amidst the snowflakes; gave me a chance to
> finally meet the Horkster. 

It snowed this morning?  I didn't even notice...

> (It turns out that we work at the same building, for
> the same company in Chantilly, go figure...)  Howdy, Dale! 

Yeah, it was nice to finally meet you, Robert.  I had seen your 
bike parked in the garage for a few weeks, was wondering who the 
other nutcase was.  

> Of course, he cheats by riding a full-dresser Concours

I cheat even more by using electrics.  They warm up faster
than the heater in my cage.  :)

>, whereas I freeze 'em on a semi-faired
> Interceptor, but we won't get into religious wars on this genteel list.  =8->

If I had a choice, I'd have a less-faired bike.  The Connie
was the sportiest shaft-driven bike I could find that met all
my other requirements.  The big fairing is nice this time of
year, but starts to suck bigtime around June.  :)

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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
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Read it again...  I'm as perplexed as you are!  I can't understand how
anyone would actually vote for higher taxes then complain once they
occurred!

sorry about the mix up.

G



"Bruhl, George LT" wrote:
> 
> Actually I'm referring to the current governor Mark Warner, who promised a
> raise in taxes... and WON the election on that platform AND... is doing
just
> that!  Why should tax raises be unexpected....  they were voted for.

Wow, I've never met anyone as excited about paying higher taxes than
you seem to be, George.  Congratulations, I hope you enjoy it.  Me,
I didn't vote for your tax-raising savior, and am hoping all his little
schemes get smacked down until his lame-duck ass is out of office.

http://www.stopsalestax.org/
http://www.pwtaxpayers.com/

I personally think Der KommonVealth of Virginia takes enough of
a chunk of my pay to more than cover the maintainence of roads, 
the running of schools, and keaping of the peace.  That they do such
a miserable job with the money they already have is no freaking 
reason to give those greedy bastards even MORE of my money.

-- 
Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)

Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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"Bruhl, George LT" wrote:
> 
> Read it again...  I'm as perplexed as you are!  I can't understand how
> anyone would actually vote for higher taxes then complain once they
> occurred!

The gov was pretty cagey during the campaign, he said he wouldn't
raise taxes directly, but he'd allow localities to "decide if they
wanted to raise taxes" themselves.  

I've got MAJOR heartburn over Fairfax County being allowed to 
vote about raising taxes for all of Northern Virginia, and me 
in Prince William county not even having a say in the matter.
WTF is up with that?  I think some heads will have to roll if
that happens.

The NoVa area historically pays a really big percentage of
state taxes (all the high-paying jobs are concentrated here)
but doesn't receive squat in comparison back from the state
for schools/roads etc. etc.  Couple that with runaway job
growth and nearly unlimited alien immigration in the area,
and our roads are gridlocked.  More money might help the
problem, but we're already paying out way more than comes
back to us.  Lets fix THAT problem first.

I was all in favor of Gilmore's "stop the car-tax" plan,
problem was, he didn't do much to cut back spending, and 
was facing state legislators who didn't want to shut of the 
huge flow of revenue.  Instead of trying to do more with less,
they all fought hard to keep the money coming in. The bastards.

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Dave,

That was one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on
this list.  

Jesse Helms is a racist, but I don't see them taking
North Carolina's statehood away.

Mark

--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> ...I'd like to see Bob Barr and his ilk try to
> inflict some of the
> crap on their own constituents that they do on DC. 
> What earthly 
> reason would they have for wanting to change that?
> 
>   <DJY> Having no special place in my heart for
> Barr, I have to say 
> that I can understand Congress reluctance.  Eleanor
> Norton is the 
> most hateful, racist pig you could ever wish to
> hear.  I've heard her 
> twice at a stump speech & a military ceremony,
> launching in to 
> diatribes that would make Louis Farrakhan blush.  
> 
> Dave    
> 
> 
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Mark K says -
Dave,

That was one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on
this list.  

Jesse Helms is a racist, but I don't see them taking
North Carolina's statehood away.

  <DJY>  Well Mark, let's go back to simple sentences.  DC is not a 
state.  It's a federal district.  North Carolina, on the other hand 
IS a state.  Tell us, just exactly how would they go about 'taking 
away' North Carolina's statehood ?  

many in Congress do not like Norton because she is basically a hate 
monger.  And, if you're going to make an analogy, let's make one that 
is geographically closer to DC (this IS DC Cycles).  How about, 
former KKK member Robert Byrd (he's a senator from West Virginia) 

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|>I'm gonna take it to Motorcycle Factory next week to sell on consignment so 
|>this would be a good week to respond if interested.

Can you tell me more about this motorcycle factory place?


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>>B) several billion dollars in federal income taxes paid by DC
residents to spend 

I should start by saying that I am not Against statehood for DC... I'm
actually still on the fence.  One of the things we residents of DC are quite
guilty of is not knowing enough about this issue before embracing it.

DC residents pay about $2 billion a year in Federal income taxes.  The
Federal Government spends $26 billion a year (about) on funding of DC
things: streets, infrastructure, etc.  Your $5000 from being a first-time
home buyer in DC comes from the Feds, not from the city.  Per capita, the
Feds spend more on us than anyone else, and that amount is going to
skyrocket with the aftermath of Sept. 11.  It might not be the best idea to
blanketly refuse that money; making DC its own state will not eliminate the
Federal funding as the Feds contribute to all major highway, utility, public
works programs and the like.  But DC will take a cut.

DC was never intended to be a place that people lived.  This was supposed to
be a neutral jurisdiction operated, owned and populated by the Feds, so that
if there were another instance of civil war, one side or the other would not
just take over the Capitol.  They'd have to fight the other side AND the
Feds, too.  We don't have rights because we're not supposed to live here in
the first place!

Further, by day we host so many people who work here and leave for a
suburban home, taking their tax dollars with them.  Same for nightime and
nightclubbing.  True Adams Morgan, DuPont, Georgtown would be seriously
hurting without that revenue... but the taxpayer base here (state/city tax)
should not have to absorb all the costs: police, traffic lights, trash and
street cleaning, etc.  All other major cities attract suburbanites but
places like LA, Baltimore, Austin, etc get a cut of the state income tax.
It gets passed around. Why should my tax dollars pay for cleaning up after
someone else's night out?

Ultimately, though, I agree with Paul that the Republicans don't want any
more Democrats, especially not the very liberal ones here, to contend with.
That reason alone is enough to make me want more representation, (Smile)
any chance to rile a Republican...

Cheers---

patti

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I hate the car tax as much as any Virginian, but the
way it was "reduced/eliminated" is shear idiocy.  Lets
keep the whole bureaucracy in place for dealing with
the car tax at the local level, and add another layer
of bureaucracy at the state level.  All this
bureaucracy and Gilmore calls himself a Republican...

Keith
> 
> You forgot to mention that the task of calculating
> and distributing general
> funds to the counties to cover the "no car tax" loss
> requires a massive increase
> in man/womanpower. Jimbo Bubba Gilmore failed to
> include that in his original
> cost estimate which was less than half the actual
> cost anyway.  But hey, we
> shouldn't expect a lawyer to have more than a third
> grade grasp of arithmetic.
> 
> Bill
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$26 B in streets and infrastructure!  Are you sure about that??  Are we
mixing gold dust into the asphalt?  :)  Last time I checked it was about
$200 M, DC's cut of the federal motor fuels tax, which is calculated
similarly to the states.  It's not like the states don't get massive federal
infrastructure projects, like the $13B and counting Big Dig in Boston.

The $26 B figure might include spending of federal agencies in the District
and the operating budgets of agencies located here, including federal
worker's salaries and a lot of that goes scurrying across the District line
every night.  By that standard Virginia is a much bigger recipient of the
federal largess.  It is not the same thing as saying the Feds spend it "on"
DC.  The Feds did assume some "state" functions like prisons and courts, but
there's no way that amounts to $26 B.

To my mind, the raison d'etre for a federal district 10 miles square has
been eclipsed by time.  The Maryland militia is not going to lay siege to
the Capitol as the Pa. militia did to the Continental Congress in Phila. in
the 1780s.  Some of the largest federal installations are located in states,
starting with the Pentagon, and no one loses sleep over it.  Speaking
personally, if a serious retrocession to Maryland proposal were on the
table, I'd have a hard time opposing it, as long as we received the same
status as Baltimore (equivalent to a county) within the state.  There are
many things I find attractive to living in Washington, but our special
status under the Constitution is not one of them.  Conversely, it's not a
show-stopper either, obviously,  because we chose it in full knowledge of
the consequences.  It's just something you deal with.  It just doesn't pay
to get upset about it.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
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>
> >>B) several billion dollars in federal income taxes paid by DC
> residents to spend
>
> I should start by saying that I am not Against statehood for DC... I'm
> actually still on the fence.  One of the things we residents of DC are
quite
> guilty of is not knowing enough about this issue before embracing it.
>
> DC residents pay about $2 billion a year in Federal income taxes.  The
> Federal Government spends $26 billion a year (about) on funding of DC
> things: streets, infrastructure, etc.  Your $5000 from being a first-time
> home buyer in DC comes from the Feds, not from the city.  Per capita, the
> Feds spend more on us than anyone else, and that amount is going to
> skyrocket with the aftermath of Sept. 11.  It might not be the best idea
to
> blanketly refuse that money; making DC its own state will not eliminate
the
> Federal funding as the Feds contribute to all major highway, utility,
public
> works programs and the like.  But DC will take a cut.
>



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Paul Wilson wrote:
> 
> OK, then following that reasoning, Youngstown, Ohio, shouldn't get
> representation because they send buffoons like Traficant to the House?

I grew up within broadcast range of all the Youngstown, OH television
stations.  Traficant has been a crook, controversy has surrounded him
for years, ever since he was the local Sheriff.  Why folks with bad
reputations and last names like Traficant, Barry, Clinton, etc. continue
to get themselves re-elected to office over and over again is something
that's amazed me for years.  I'll bet Condit still can't figure out
why his re-election campaign failed...  

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The $26B is not *just* on streets and infrastructure but they subsidize and
supplement all the government agencies.  Streets and infrastructure are the
things that suburbanites use the most, though.

Agencies "not under direct mayoral authority" get the most of that pile:
Department of Health, Public Schools, Police, Emergency Response (if you
have ever visited the Emergency Response center you'd see several million
dollars worth of that $26B), Corrections, People's Counsel (I think), Water,
Energy,  etc. Most of their operating budget comes from Federal money, not
DC tax money.  There is also a Federal finance package that each "mayoral
authority" agency gets a part of. The Federal package is usually a couple of
billion a year and it's always a mess getting it approved through Congress.

This is one of the reasons DC has such a hard time standardizing things.
Even a "little" thing like domain names or email addresses is a struggle
because there are about 20 different entities in charge, each of which
thinks they are more in charge than the other guy.

I agree that MD or PA or VA is not going to rise up in arms and riot and try
to take over the Capital... but understanding why things are the way they
are makes it easier to figure out why it  is so hard to change.

-patti

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Robert Verde wrote in an earlier sig file:

> '83 Honda VF750F (RC-15) "BUDOKA"

So, what's a "Budoka" anyway? 

Hork

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'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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Robert Verde wrote:
> 
> I was glad to discover that the upper right radiator hose 
> on my Honda is just in the right place to warm up my frozen 
> digits while idling at stoplights.  The left hand I could warm
> on the alternator cover

If you instal a throttle lock, you could keep both hands warm
while you are riding.  :)

Horkster
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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
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'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
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'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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Patti explained -

The $26B is not *just* on streets and infrastructure but they 
subsidize and supplement all the government agencies.  Streets and 
infrastructure are the things that suburbanites use the most, though.

...Most of their operating budget comes from Federal money, not
DC tax money.  ...
This is one of the reasons DC has such a hard time standardizing 
things.

  <DJY>  Another reason is that DC doesn't exactly have a stellar 
reputation for being able to prioritize where the money needs to be 
spent.  


I agree that MD or PA or VA is not going to rise up in arms and riot 
and try to take over the Capital... 


   <DJY> But, they MIGHT rise up in arms in order to prevent DC from 
becoming part of their respective state :-)  


but understanding why things are the way they
are makes it easier to figure out why it  is so hard to change.

  <DJY>  how about a receipt for every taxpayer ?  When you buy 
something as simple as a big mac, you get a receipt...  Why not a 
receipt for our taxes contribution to DC government operation ?  

Someone commented on VA's federal take.  on a related note, the 
Fairfax co. Board of directors recently approved a pay raise for the 
CO exec - who now makes 180,000 smackers  / year...  That's more than 
the Secretary of Defense, who makes 162,000 or thereabouts...  
Fairfax is the main jurisdiction crying for more money from a 
referendum...  mismanagement is not exclusive to DC...

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It is difficult to describe the impact the Bacon family has had on the
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Dorothy C. Bacon
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So, like last MAY (the 4th to be exact), I asked a for suggestions for a
summer jacket.  I finally got around to finding and buying one.  Worth the
wait.

Herndon Cycle Sport (soon to be acquired by the Rhodes brothers of Rhodes
Kawasaki also in Herndon) is having a sale on Joe Rocket jackets.  The
Phoenix ones to be specific.  Regulary $150, on sale for $99.  I grabbed
a Grey/Black one, but they also had Black/Black, and Blue/Black.

I didn't forget the lists recommendations from last year.  Thanks guys
(and girls!)

-dave <-- won't roast during the summer anymore

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Could it be an intentional mispelling of Boudicca? Good name for sport bike.

-James
'00 SV650

> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
> Robert Verde wrote in an earlier sig file:
> 
> > '83 Honda VF750F (RC-15) "BUDOKA"
> 
> So, what's a "Budoka" anyway? 
> 
> Hork
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> Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
> Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 
> 
> '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
> '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
> '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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> Herndon Cycle Sport (soon to be acquired by the Rhodes brothers of Rhodes
> Kawasaki also in Herndon)

<snip>

Dave,
	Do you know if the Alexandria store is being sold as well?

-James
'00 SV650

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great, first oil, then gas, now paint? I presume there is a "no smoking
within 100 feet sign" posted in front of the doorway?

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, James Reazor wrote:

> > Herndon Cycle Sport (soon to be acquired by the Rhodes brothers of Rhodes
> > Kawasaki also in Herndon)
>
> <snip>
>
> Dave,
> 	Do you know if the Alexandria store is being sold as well?

Don't know.  The sale hasn't taken place yet, but Kevin (I think) said
it's in the final stages.

-dave


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How y'all feelin' tonight? =20

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My name is Ben and I'm brand new on the list, but have been riding since =
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Welcome.  I have a 91 myself.  Awesome bikes.


--- Dan Matz <dmatz@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hello DC CYCLES LIST!
> 
> How y'all feelin' tonight?  
> 
> okay cut it.  
> 
> My name is Ben and I'm brand new on the list, but
> have been riding since June of 2000 and have coveted
> two wheelers since kindergarten.  First ride (which
> sits in dire need of mechanical resuscitation) :
> 1983 Nighthawk 650.  Having sustained no substantial
> injuries, I purchased my 91 VFR in August of last
> year and we're still going strong.  
> 
> Vital Stats
> Height 6' 6"
> Hair Color: Reddish enough to influence behavioral
> patterns
> Location: Springfield, VA
> Occupation: Ice Cream Man! :) 
> 
> This recent cold has been killing me, my viffer
> keeps accusing me of not loving her, spending more
> time with the cage, etc etc etc... you've all been
> there and heard it I'm sure 
> 
> That's it, 
> Ben 
> 


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Agggg! Not another VFR on this list! LOL...welcome to the list, Ben!  =
Good group of people here...a few bad apples, but you'll figure them out =
soon enough.  JUST KIDDING!!!

Laura
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Ah, yes!  Another rider with great taste in bikes!  Welcome to the list.

Rob
1998 VFR800


From: "Dan Matz" <dmatz@XXXXXX>
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Subject: cue the new guy
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:33:11 -0500

Hello DC CYCLES LIST!

How y'all feelin' tonight?

okay cut it.

My name is Ben and I'm brand new on the list, but have been riding since 
June of 2000 and have coveted two wheelers since kindergarten.  First ride 
(which sits in dire need of mechanical resuscitation) : 1983 Nighthawk 650.  
Having sustained no substantial injuries, I purchased my 91 VFR in August of 
last year and we're still going strong.

Vital Stats
Height 6' 6"
Hair Color: Reddish enough to influence behavioral patterns
Location: Springfield, VA
Occupation: Ice Cream Man! :)

This recent cold has been killing me, my viffer keeps accusing me of not 
loving her, spending more time with the cage, etc etc etc... you've all been 
there and heard it I'm sure

That's it,
Ben


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Subject: Lister? Nesba.com
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I saw a black, enclosed trailer with nesba.com in large letters parked
outside an apartment complex near were I live in herndon/mcnair farms area.
Are you on the list?

Dave
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01 k1200lt


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Just in time for the coming season...

In my quest (so far unfulfilled) to find a quiet windscreen, I have a nearly
unused (maybe 7 miles on it) GiVi model 620 windscreen that I picked up at
Daytona a couple of weeks ago.

This is a universal fit for round handlebars (1" & 7/8" fittings) all
hardware and instructions included.

I dropped $130 for it at the GiVi booth and I'd like to get $500 for it. :-)

I am, however, willing to entertain offers.

I'm going to put it on ebay shortly and thought that I'd give the locals
first shot. I'll be out of town next week, but Sean or Thomas can act as my
agent if anyone's in a hurry.

Michael J.



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Laura and everyone, thanks for the welcome...  Okay, sorry I brought =
another V4 into this thing, but come on, what other decent =
non-cruiser/standard am I going to be able to fit on at 6 feet 6 for =
god's sake?

(the above is a rhetorical question... do not correct me)

But I do love my VFR...  Maybe now that I'm connected with everybody =
here I'll finally finish my NH650 RatChopper project... It started as a =
cafe racer project but I changed my mind=20

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some of you may have received this, some may not...

MFI is having an open house saturday 4/6, 20% off all
accessories, 50% off all tire installs.  one day only.

3820 prince william pkwy
703-583-9600

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At 02:33 PM 3/23/02 -0500, you wrote:
> Hello DC CYCLES LIST!  How y'all feelin' tonight?    okay cut it.

Welcome to the list.  I'm pretty new here, but everyone has been very
friendly, despite my choice in motorcycle  (eye abuser, ha... still
laughing about that one).  :-)

I hope to hook up with some people from this list and do some riding once
the weather warms up.

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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At 01:36 PM 3/24/02 -0800, Do Yin wrote:
>some of you may have received this, some may not...
>
>MFI is having an open house saturday 4/6, 20% off all
>accessories, 50% off all tire installs.  one day only.
>
>3820 prince william pkwy
>703-583-9600

What's an MFI?  :-)

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Hey all - I'm undertaking the 10K mile service on my H-D these next couple
of weekends. I say next couple because (1) it takes a long time and (2) I
can't really ride that much anyway whilst I battle this combination nagging
head cold/killer tooth ache. It's the drugs, man. They say not to operate
heavy equipment, and my 800-lb. bike surely fits into that category.
Besides, it's a nice way to pass the weekend while it's still too cold to
really putter around the yard, and doing the task myself saves me from
having to dump $400+ into the local stealership till.

Anyway, my question - I got myself a Mity-Vac brake bleeder. I followed the
directions and bled the front brakes. Now they're... different. And I don't
have the years/miles to know if it's good different or bad different.

Let's say for the sake of argument that my front brake lever has 3 inches of
travel. OK then, for the first 10K miles of my bike's life I would pull on
the lever, and feel resistance begin at about the 3/8" to 5/8" point, then
feel pretty steady (and increasing) feedback until a point about 1/4" from
the throttle grip, where the lever would "stop". We'll say that point is
front wheel lock up. Well, now I don't get squat for feedback until about 1"
or 1 1/4", but that's where the lever stops. It won't travel any further
toward the grip. I'll go from 5% feedback to 99% in that 1/16" area. It
feels like that point will be my new front wheel lockup point. I have yet to
road test because I still have a few fluids to change and it is dark out
right now.

When I got steel braided lines on my CBR, this is how the change in brake
feel went as well (old system was progressive, after-system was full on or
full off). I just had to get used to only having two braking situations,
full on or full off. Mind you I didn't mount the lines, I had Heyser in
Laurel do it. The new system performance didn't bother me, it was just the
new way to ride.

Well, this is my first personal foray into brake dynamics, and I was
wondering what kind of job I've done. I purposely didn't do the back brakes
until I find out if this is a properly set-up front brake system. I'll tell
you straight up that I liked the older style of more progressive braking.
But if that was a bad set-up, and this is a good one, I'll stay where I'm
at. If I'm wrong, then I need to find the way to get back to where I was.

Maybe it had something to do with the Mity-Vac? It was pulling a lot of air
bubbles through the tube, but I assumed it was air getting past the seal on
the bleeder, not continuing to exit the bleeder. (I need a set of those
after-market brake bleeding Zirk fittings with a check valve built right in.
Why don't bikes come with those standard?)

What say you, list of knowledge? How are brakes supposed to feel? Or are all
systems different? Just wondering...

Howard J. Koontz
2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For Sale)
"We're all here because we're not all there."



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cmelgard@XXXXXX is located in the DC area and is looking to buy
a race prepped SV.  His name is Christian.  

**Please email him direct at cmelgard@XXXXXX **

Steve Clark
Tight Squeeze Racing

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Subject: RE: Question about brakes...
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:43:57 -0500
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sounds like the mighty Mity Vac did it's job and got rid of all the air in
your system...removing that pesky sponginess you got used to.

In a perfect hydraulic system, you shouldn't be able to move the lever at
all from pad contact (to the disk) to lock up.  As you pull on the lever,
you increase pressure in the system...and since the pads "feel" that
pressure, they press against the disks.  You would modulate braking force by
varying the force you apply to the lever...

In reality, the pads move a finite distance, and all of the components
flex/expand under pressure, etc....so you can move the lever some.  In a
system with air in it, you also get to compress all those air bubbles,
giving you even more motion of the lever before you can get pressure high
enough to lock the brakes.  Too much air, you run out of travel on the lever
before you are even slowing down.

Bottom line: Welcome to the world of proper brake operation.

--jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 8:45 PM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Question about brakes...
>
>
> Hey all - I'm undertaking the 10K mile service on my H-D these next couple
> of weekends. I say next couple because (1) it takes a long time and (2) I
> can't really ride that much anyway whilst I battle this
> combination nagging
> head cold/killer tooth ache. It's the drugs, man. They say not to operate
> heavy equipment, and my 800-lb. bike surely fits into that category.
> Besides, it's a nice way to pass the weekend while it's still too cold to
> really putter around the yard, and doing the task myself saves me from
> having to dump $400+ into the local stealership till.
>
> Anyway, my question - I got myself a Mity-Vac brake bleeder. I
> followed the
> directions and bled the front brakes. Now they're... different.
> And I don't
> have the years/miles to know if it's good different or bad different.
>
> Let's say for the sake of argument that my front brake lever has
> 3 inches of
> travel. OK then, for the first 10K miles of my bike's life I would pull on
> the lever, and feel resistance begin at about the 3/8" to 5/8" point, then
> feel pretty steady (and increasing) feedback until a point about 1/4" from
> the throttle grip, where the lever would "stop". We'll say that point is
> front wheel lock up. Well, now I don't get squat for feedback
> until about 1"
> or 1 1/4", but that's where the lever stops. It won't travel any further
> toward the grip. I'll go from 5% feedback to 99% in that 1/16" area. It
> feels like that point will be my new front wheel lockup point. I
> have yet to
> road test because I still have a few fluids to change and it is dark out
> right now.
>
> When I got steel braided lines on my CBR, this is how the change in brake
> feel went as well (old system was progressive, after-system was full on or
> full off). I just had to get used to only having two braking situations,
> full on or full off. Mind you I didn't mount the lines, I had Heyser in
> Laurel do it. The new system performance didn't bother me, it was just the
> new way to ride.
>
> Well, this is my first personal foray into brake dynamics, and I was
> wondering what kind of job I've done. I purposely didn't do the
> back brakes
> until I find out if this is a properly set-up front brake system.
> I'll tell
> you straight up that I liked the older style of more progressive braking.
> But if that was a bad set-up, and this is a good one, I'll stay where I'm
> at. If I'm wrong, then I need to find the way to get back to where I was.
>
> Maybe it had something to do with the Mity-Vac? It was pulling a
> lot of air
> bubbles through the tube, but I assumed it was air getting past
> the seal on
> the bleeder, not continuing to exit the bleeder. (I need a set of those
> after-market brake bleeding Zirk fittings with a check valve
> built right in.
> Why don't bikes come with those standard?)
>
> What say you, list of knowledge? How are brakes supposed to feel?
> Or are all
> systems different? Just wondering...
>
> Howard J. Koontz
> 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For Sale)
> "We're all here because we're not all there."
>
>


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> sounds like the mighty Mity Vac did it's job and got rid of all the air in

its not it's

My apologies to all of the English teachers out there.


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Actually, I chose my vanity plate based on Budo, the Japanese Art of War, and
the "ka" suffix denotes a practitioner, i.e., judoka = a person who practices
judo, and karateka = a karate specialist.  Since both of these alternatives were
either taken or too long, I chose the more generic Budoka.

Unfortunately, I will lose the tag when I transfer registration to VA, as it's
an Oregon plate and someone already has this one in VA.  8-(

Checking out some alternatives on the VA DMV site; "18 WHL" for the 18" rear
wheel (probably think I'm a truck-driver) is still available, as is "SQUIDO".
=8->

BTW, James, I certainly agree with your estimation of the suitability of
Boudicca as a good name for a bike!

Robert

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:54:11 -0500
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Could it be an intentional mispelling of Boudicca? Good name for sport bike.

-James
'00 SV650

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:16 PM
> To: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX
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> Subject: Re: Brrr...
>
>
> Robert Verde wrote in an earlier sig file:
>
> > '83 Honda VF750F (RC-15) "BUDOKA"
>
> So, what's a "Budoka" anyway?
>
> Hork
>
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>
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Does anyone have SKWID for a VA personalized plate?  I thought about that one.  Too bad CALAMARI has too many letters for a m/c plate.

Chuck
DGZBLX

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Unfortunately, I will lose the tag when I transfer registration to VA, as it's
an Oregon plate and someone already has this one in VA.  8-(

Checking out some alternatives on the VA DMV site; "18 WHL" for the 18" rear
wheel (probably think I'm a truck-driver) is still available, as is "SQUIDO".
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Let me just say, I haven't done any research on this, but figured somebody
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Can you purchase these online through MD MVA or do you have to go into one
of the main offices?  I've thrown around the idea of getting one.. But
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Personalized Tags in MDMy tags (VA)

http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg

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I have found that my MityVac is great for replacing
brake fluid but terrible for bleeding brakes.  

To replace fluid, have one person pump the vac while
another person adds fluid to the master cylinder as it
gets low.  When the fluid runs clear into the vac then
you're done.  The MityVac is great for this.

To bleed brakes, the best way is to do the old pump
the lever, hold, crack bleeder bolt, repeat procedure.
 It really does work the best.  Do this a half dozen
times or so and your brakes should be fine.

--- "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hey all - I'm undertaking the 10K mile service on my
> H-D these next couple
> of weekends. I say next couple because (1) it takes
> a long time and (2) I
> can't really ride that much anyway whilst I battle
> this combination nagging
> head cold/killer tooth ache. It's the drugs, man.
> They say not to operate
> heavy equipment, and my 800-lb. bike surely fits
> into that category.
> Besides, it's a nice way to pass the weekend while
> it's still too cold to
> really putter around the yard, and doing the task
> myself saves me from
> having to dump $400+ into the local stealership
> till.
> 
> Anyway, my question - I got myself a Mity-Vac brake
> bleeder. I followed the
> directions and bled the front brakes. Now they're...
> different. And I don't
> have the years/miles to know if it's good different
> or bad different.
> 
> Let's say for the sake of argument that my front
> brake lever has 3 inches of
> travel. OK then, for the first 10K miles of my
> bike's life I would pull on
> the lever, and feel resistance begin at about the
> 3/8" to 5/8" point, then
> feel pretty steady (and increasing) feedback until a
> point about 1/4" from
> the throttle grip, where the lever would "stop".
> We'll say that point is
> front wheel lock up. Well, now I don't get squat for
> feedback until about 1"
> or 1 1/4", but that's where the lever stops. It
> won't travel any further
> toward the grip. I'll go from 5% feedback to 99% in
> that 1/16" area. It
> feels like that point will be my new front wheel
> lockup point. I have yet to
> road test because I still have a few fluids to
> change and it is dark out
> right now.
> 
> When I got steel braided lines on my CBR, this is
> how the change in brake
> feel went as well (old system was progressive,
> after-system was full on or
> full off). I just had to get used to only having two
> braking situations,
> full on or full off. Mind you I didn't mount the
> lines, I had Heyser in
> Laurel do it. The new system performance didn't
> bother me, it was just the
> new way to ride.
> 
> Well, this is my first personal foray into brake
> dynamics, and I was
> wondering what kind of job I've done. I purposely
> didn't do the back brakes
> until I find out if this is a properly set-up front
> brake system. I'll tell
> you straight up that I liked the older style of more
> progressive braking.
> But if that was a bad set-up, and this is a good
> one, I'll stay where I'm
> at. If I'm wrong, then I need to find the way to get
> back to where I was.
> 
> Maybe it had something to do with the Mity-Vac? It
> was pulling a lot of air
> bubbles through the tube, but I assumed it was air
> getting past the seal on
> the bleeder, not continuing to exit the bleeder. (I
> need a set of those
> after-market brake bleeding Zirk fittings with a
> check valve built right in.
> Why don't bikes come with those standard?)
> 
> What say you, list of knowledge? How are brakes
> supposed to feel? Or are all
> systems different? Just wondering...
> 
> Howard J. Koontz
> 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For
> Sale)
> "We're all here because we're not all there."
> 
> 


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Personalized Tags in MD$43.50 2 years(for MC)

Currently you cannot get these online(you can only re-register them).  =
However, I will soon be working on that application.  MVA is about to =
give a contract to our company to develop vanity registration online.  =
That will be me mostly :)

I couldn't help but putting some personal advertisement there.

And no, I don't work at of for MVA.

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  To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'=20
  Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:29 AM
  Subject: Personalized Tags in MD


  Let me just say, I haven't done any research on this, but figured =
somebody here HAS!! Does anyone know the cost for personalized =
motorcycle tags in MD?  Can you purchase these online through MD MVA or =
do you have to go into one of the main offices?  I've thrown around the =
idea of getting one.. But haven't made the decision!

  Thanks for any info.=20

  Brian=20
  99VFR=20


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Apparently, all your plates are bad ;-)

The dccycles website has a list of our personalized plates.  Those that 
contributed anyway.

I'm going for a lunchtime ride through Reston.  Woo Hoo!

At 11:36 AM 3/25/2002, Gary Foreman wrote:
>My tags (VA)
>
><http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg>http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg
>
>http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/plate-7.jpg
>
><http://www.fj1100.com/fj_gallery/Fj046.jpg>http://www.fj1100.com/fj_gallery/Fj046.jpg
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>
>
>I'd be interested to hear what others have?
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Hi All,

I know it's a ways away but you know how time flies!!! Anyway, the 2002
Police Week activities are being planned and the Law Ride is one of my
favorite rides to do.  So I wanted to share!

May 12 (Sunday) is the Law Ride, which is a procession from RFK to the Law
Enforcement Memorial in honor of all cops killed in the line of duty last
year. There is a wreath-laying ceremony at the end of the ride along with
places to buy a burger or a beer or some cop paraphenalia.    It's a pretty
big group; many thousand. Not too bad for a ride started by a couple of cops
and about 100 bikes in 1996!
There is no fee for the ride but you are encouraged to buy something at the
end, a t-shirt or beer or something, to help cover the costs associated with
the ride.

May 11 (Saturday) is a Dice Run, not sure of the route (it has not been
published yet) but the fee is $10 per card.  Proceeds to go to the  National
Law Enforcement Officers' Memorial Fund, which pays for maintaining the
memorial and adding names to it annually. Starts in Falls Church.

The web site with more information is: http://www.lawride.com/

I think both events are good fun, and there's not too many causes more
worthy than the Law Enforcement Memorial, especially this year.  If anyone
needs more details feel free to contact me, and hopefully some listers will
turn out for that ride!

Cheers,

Patti

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I have Virginia "devvfr" which makes more sense if you know that I also
have "devcar" and that I do unix systems admin. 


On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Gary Foreman wrote:

> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:36:58 -0500
> From: Gary Foreman <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD
> 
> Personalized Tags in MDMy tags (VA)
> 
> http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg
> 
> http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/plate-7.jpg
> 
> http://www.fj1100.com/fj_gallery/Fj046.jpg
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> I'd be interested to hear what others have?
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Where is the best place online to get an all-weather cover?
THanks

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You can do without the Mity-Vac with a speed-bleeder and you don't even need
a helper.  Attach a piece of rubber tubing to the speed-bleeder, open the
speed-bleeder, open the reservoir and start pumping the lever, topping off
with new fluid as the level drops.  When the old brown cruddy fluid runs
clear, close the speed-bleeder and you're done.  Since the circuit is
pressurized, the old fluid will automatically be forced out of the system
through the one-way speed-bleeder valve.  You can even open up both calipers
on the front with the speed-bleeders and do *both* front brakes at the same
time.


Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
www.wilsonline.org
Join the VFR750 list >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750
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> I have found that my MityVac is great for replacing
> brake fluid but terrible for bleeding brakes.
>
> To replace fluid, have one person pump the vac while
> another person adds fluid to the master cylinder as it
> gets low.  When the fluid runs clear into the vac then
> you're done.  The MityVac is great for this.
>
> To bleed brakes, the best way is to do the old pump
> the lever, hold, crack bleeder bolt, repeat procedure.
>  It really does work the best.  Do this a half dozen
> times or so and your brakes should be fine.



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THe best one I ever saw was:

LBNACL

On a run-down junk of a car. I reregistered my Triumph Trident/Speed3
today as "3TRUBL" now that it's back on the road... Hmm, if I run
around town on expired tags pending the shipment from the DMV (3
weeks), what do I tell occifer friendly if I get yanked?


Spoiler Alert!! (scroll down to see what it works out to)





















lb NaCl (pound salt)


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IM L8 2 on a white VW Rabbit....

--jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:12 PM
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> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually) 
> 
> 
> THe best one I ever saw was:
> 
> LBNACL
> 
> On a run-down junk of a car. I reregistered my Triumph Trident/Speed3
> today as "3TRUBL" now that it's back on the road... Hmm, if I run
> around town on expired tags pending the shipment from the DMV (3
> weeks), what do I tell occifer friendly if I get yanked?
> 
> 
> Spoiler Alert!! (scroll down to see what it works out to)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> lb NaCl (pound salt)
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> __________________________________________________
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Thanks to Mike Troutman for reminding me about Honda of Milpitas for my
busted Regulator/Rectifier. Mentioning the VFR List gets you a good discount
and the shipping is FedEx.  The total for the R/R came to $131 which
included shipping.  

It looks like my battery went bad, and in turn roasted the R/R. The
alternator is putting out 65volts @5000rpm over the 3 phases.  I checked the
other connecters including the grounding wires and everything appears OK.  I
am hoping the combination of the new battery and new R/R will get me back on
the road!

On another note, I wanted to give a shout out to Cycle Accessory Discounters
in Gaithersburg. I was pleasantly surprised to walk in with a new tire and
my old rim and have it completed in 10 minutes.  The guys (david y and other
mechanics) are very pleasant to deal with.  The mount and balance cost me
$15 -- extremely reasonable.

Also, I recently ordered: BT010 front, BT020 rear, GIVI hard bag and
mounting kit from Arizona Motorsports (if you own a VFR mention the VFR list
for 10% discount).  Everything came in when they said it would.  Nothing was
busted or broken.  Very nice outfit to deal with.

Brian
99 VFR -> on the road to recovery




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order</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks to Mike Troutman for reminding me about Honda =
of Milpitas for my busted Regulator/Rectifier. Mentioning the VFR List =
gets you a good discount and the shipping is FedEx.&nbsp; The total for =
the R/R came to $131 which included shipping.&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It looks like my battery went bad, and in turn =
roasted the R/R. The alternator is putting out 65volts @5000rpm over =
the 3 phases.&nbsp; I checked the other connecters including the =
grounding wires and everything appears OK.&nbsp; I am hoping the =
combination of the new battery and new R/R will get me back on the =
road!</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On another note, I wanted to give a shout out to =
Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg. I was pleasantly surprised =
to walk in with a new tire and my old rim and have it completed in 10 =
minutes.&nbsp; The guys (david y and other mechanics) are very pleasant =
to deal with.&nbsp; The mount and balance cost me $15 -- extremely =
reasonable.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Also, I recently ordered: BT010 front, BT020 rear, =
GIVI hard bag and mounting kit from Arizona Motorsports (if you own a =
VFR mention the VFR list for 10% discount).&nbsp; Everything came in =
when they said it would.&nbsp; Nothing was busted or broken.&nbsp; Very =
nice outfit to deal with.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>99 VFR -&gt; on the road to recovery</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>

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Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch - 
full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a wake 
of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get in 
front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence screaming 
at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.

I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that 
owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck 
there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it was 
very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.

BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages 
listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be interested 
in hearing me complain.


___________________________________________
     Mike Troutman
          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

         1997 Honda VFR 750
         AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA



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Post the number.  We can all call and show our displeasure with his dumping
material in front of a fellow cyclist.  After a few dozen call he might
consider covering his load.

David "Lost Dawg" Gaske
2000 Sprint RS  <-- in the Faster Yellow Color
Fredericksburg, Va. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:33 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Lawncare truck


Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch - 
full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a wake 
of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get in 
front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence screaming 
at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.

I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that 
owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck 
there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it was 
very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.

BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages 
listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be interested 
in hearing me complain.


___________________________________________
     Mike Troutman
          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

         1997 Honda VFR 750
         AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA


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...
THe best one I ever saw was:

LBNACL

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   <DJY>  hmm....  Sounds like 'radio' Mike, a guy that shoots with 
us Fridays...  small world...

Typically, I've avoided specialized plates since hearing from several 
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tags...  And I'm not particularly fond of giving the state any more 
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SI 2 AU

On a porsche 911 in the SF bay area.

-jd


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Hate to add to the off topic banter...well, I guess I don't hate it that
much...

1DIV0

on an Infinity


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  My 1989 CBR 600F is running hot, with the needle
flirting dangerously close the red H. It seems that
the fan has stopped funtioning. Any ideas for a simple
fix before I drain the coolant and pull the radiator?
I feel like maybe there is a problem with the
electrical connection that powers the fan.  


Adam Reinhardt
89 CBR 600F

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A lot of these lawn care companies are fly-by-night gray market operations,
so I wouldn't expect to get much satisfaction.  I do make it a policy to
make mental notes about company drivers from more reputable businesses
mis-behaving on the roads.  On a few occasions I've made a polite call,
saying "I observed truck/van number such and such driving recklessly at such
and such time and it reflects poorly on your organization.  If I were a
potential customer, I would have second thoughts about patronizing your
business."  I hope my complaint gets passed down to the guilty party with an
appropriate kick in the ass.  I did it once with a refrigerated delivery
truck that was idling outside our house from 5AM until 7AM to make a
delivery at a grocery store.  I had words with the driver who was very rude
and refused to move or shut off his engine.  He was, in fact, asleep when I
confronted him.  I called the number on the truck and asked to speak to the
truck dispatcher after it happened a second time.  After I made the call,
it's not happened again, nor have I seen that driver again from this
particular distributor servicing the business on our street.  Yours may be
the complaint that finally gets the a-hole fired.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:40 PM
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> Post the number.  We can all call and show our displeasure with his
dumping
> material in front of a fellow cyclist.  After a few dozen call he might
> consider covering his load.
>
> David "Lost Dawg" Gaske
> 2000 Sprint RS  <-- in the Faster Yellow Color
> Fredericksburg, Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:33 PM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Lawncare truck
>
>
> Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch -
> full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a
wake
> of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get in
> front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence screaming
> at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.
>
> I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that
> owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck
> there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it
was
> very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.
>
> BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages
> listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be interested
> in hearing me complain.
>
>
> ___________________________________________
>      Mike Troutman
>           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
>
>          1997 Honda VFR 750
>          AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
>
>


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Does anyone have SKWID for a VA personalized plate?  I thought about that
one.  Too bad CALAMARI has too many letters for a m/c plate.


----

My friend Tim (Current ride - VFR back seat when he offers enough money) has
decided that his tag for his bike (should be getting it any year now) will
read PNKYPWR  (Punky Power)

Ben



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I don't know much about the connectors, but one thing to rule out first is 
any obstruction to the fan blades themselves.  I remember reading a post on 
the VFR list about a small branch had somehow gotten lodged in there keeping 
the fan from turning.  Could be a quick fix.

Just an idea.

Rob
'98 VFR800


From: Adam Reinhardt <ajreinhardt@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: CBR Fan Problem
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:06:36 -0800 (PST)

   My 1989 CBR 600F is running hot, with the needle
flirting dangerously close the red H. It seems that
the fan has stopped funtioning. Any ideas for a simple
fix before I drain the coolant and pull the radiator?
I feel like maybe there is a problem with the
electrical connection that powers the fan.


Adam Reinhardt
89 CBR 600F

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You want to check the fuses first (of course, if you've done this already,
good job! :))

Ben


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Reinhardt" <ajreinhardt@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: CBR Fan Problem


>   My 1989 CBR 600F is running hot, with the needle
> flirting dangerously close the red H. It seems that
> the fan has stopped funtioning. Any ideas for a simple
> fix before I drain the coolant and pull the radiator?
> I feel like maybe there is a problem with the
> electrical connection that powers the fan.
>
>
> Adam Reinhardt
> 89 CBR 600F
>




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At 12:02 PM 3/25/2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote:

>I have Virginia "devvfr" which makes more sense if you know that I also
>have "devcar" and that I do unix systems admin.

Well, for the older computer folk, my brother's Valkyrie has "IPL" and his 
wife's Magna has "RE-IPL"

My Falco has "BRAAAP", 919 has "LAVER", and the Interceptor has 
"TILDEN"  (was "VF500").

Miata has "SNGL MLT", Honda has "SRVEMUP".

-- Larry






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Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually) 
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At 01:12 PM 3/25/2002, matthew patton wrote:
>THe best one I ever saw was:
>
>LBNACL
>
>On a run-down junk of a car.


Best -- and worst -- one I've ever seen was on a new 'vette at the 
Pentagon: "TWTLVR".

-- Larry







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Gee Larry, you must be a really old guy to know who Laver and Tilden 
were! %^)  How about Smith, Lutz, Dibley, Nastase???

Larry Larson wrote: <SNIP>

> 
> My Falco has "BRAAAP", 919 has "LAVER", and the Interceptor has 
> "TILDEN"  (was "VF500").




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The tags on my CBR were:

SLDML8

Many a slack-jawed observer were dumb-founded. As were even a few riding
buds of mine. They were like, "Slide 'em late? What the hell does that
mean?" At first it broke my heart to be too clever for my own good. Then it
broke my heart to be wrong about my first impression. Finally it broke my
heart to be hanging around with slack-jaws.

BTW, NEVRL8 was already taken, so I had to settle for 2nd best. Story of my
life sometimes.

My neighbor thought it would be cutesy if he got HIOFCR and his friend got
GT2GO. He still wonders why his first wife left him.

I'm thinking of getting PBSLED for my FLHT. Anyone know if that one's taken?

Landscape truck content: I ditto the sentiment that the lawndog troll won't
care about your phone calls, complaints to the BBB or anything else for that
matter. It won't hit him where it hurts. Most service providers know new
work comes from referrals, not outright walk-ins. The guy you saw may very
well have been the owner, or a friend of the owner. And there is *SO* much
freakin' landscape work out there in the DC-Metro area, that even if they do
lose one job because someone actually checked the BBB first, they'll make it
up 10 minutes later on the next job.

Money bet is to find out where their shop is, and photgraph/videotape them
performing highly illegal actions, i.e running uncovered or overweight
consistently. Call the DOT and give them your tape. That'll hurt them.

Or hell, call INS with an anonymous tip. You'll shut his labor force off for
months at least. Last time we checked (I work for the largest family-owned
landscape contractor in the MD-DC-VA area), there's about a 90% chance that
if a laborer isn't on a government contract to work here (an H2B employee)
or sponsored by a company or natural citizen to even be here, then he/she is
illegal. Smaller companies can't eat the overhead to contract for legal
labor, so they cut that corner. These are the people I bid against for new
work. So please do me a favor and rid me of my competition. Thanks for your
support.

Howard J. Koontz CLT, CPH (I finally get to use *MY* monikers and not seem
too overly pretentious!!! YIPPEE!!)
http://www.chapelvalley.com
2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (Still fo' sale)
"We're all here 'cause we're not all there"


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I don't have personalized tags, don't even have special issue plates,
just plain old tags.

My question is, how many of you bitch and moan about taxes, which
despite waste do contribute to the general good, but are perfectly
willing to cough up extra tax/tag money for personalized tags which is
nothing more than an ego trip?

Bill


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Hello,

I have fog city on my arai helmet.  At night i get dazzled from the oncoming 
cars lights in the opposite lane.  It can get very confusing to drive like 
that.  I wonder if I installed it wrong: i think there is a lot of air 
between the fog city screen and the helmet screen. I have another fog city 
set, i was wondering if i should install it, or if it's just the down side 
of the fog city screen to get bad vision at night.

Thank you,
Pierfrancesco


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From: "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX>
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Subject: RE: personalized tags & taxes
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Bill asks -

My question is, how many of you bitch and moan about taxes, which
despite waste do contribute to the general good, but are perfectly
willing to cough up extra tax/tag money for personalized tags which is
nothing more than an ego trip?


	<DJY>  If that's not a shot across my bow, I don't know what is !  :-)

	I do.  I b!tch loudly about my government agencies flushing boat loads
of my money, along with every other taxpayer, right down the toilet.
There's too much government in every aspect of my life.  There's too
much of a culture of dependence for that money by people who are too
lazy go out & actually pay their own way (by and large.  Not everyone
receiving public money is making  a living at it).  And actually,
wouldn't it more appropriately be an "Id" trip ?  ;-)
	I got veteran plates (they have a number designation, no special
messages) for a couple of reasons.  One of them - maybe, just maybe, the
next time I'm stopped for going a few miles faster than I should've
been, maybe I'll get a warning...  Maybe I can't put esquire or PhD in
my .sig...  But my DD214 & the DMV says my vehicles can wear veteran
plates :)


Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


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Pierfrancesco <had to cut & paste, no way I could've successfully
spelled that> asks -
Hello,

I have fog city on my arai helmet.  At night i get dazzled from the
oncoming
cars lights in the opposite lane.  It can get very confusing to drive
like
that.  I wonder if I installed it wrong: i think there is a lot of air
between the fog city screen and the helmet screen.


	<DJY> Q:  did you clean the shield before installing?



 I have another fog city
set, i was wondering if i should install it, or if it's just the down
side
of the fog city screen to get bad vision at night.


	<DJY>  There's some added glare, worse if the shield & FC shield are
dirty.  Clean the shield with a good quality glass cleaner & a cotton
cloth, and see if that improves it.

hth
Dave Yates


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Hi Pierre,
         It's normal with the Fog City.  My Fog City Pro does the same.  I 
pretty much ignore it and am just more deliberate when changing lanes, 
etc.  They sure work well.

Andrew
'90 EX500
'01 ZR-7S

At 10:05 PM 3/25/02 , you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I have fog city on my arai helmet.  At night i get dazzled from the 
>oncoming cars lights in the opposite lane.  It can get very confusing to 
>drive like that.  I wonder if I installed it wrong: i think


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As bike season roars in -- one cant help but applaud focused vigilantism =
against:

Loose loads

Cellphone immersion

and this new driver affliction, "medical incident", which has taken =
several area cage lives lately in two horribles. =20

AMA -- how about rolling these in with the "Motorcycle Awareness" =
campaigns. =20

Bill S. / DC
'99 VN750=20
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.



From: Gaske David G DLVA <GaskeDG@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: RE: Lawncare truck
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:40:51 -0500

Post the number.  We can all call and show our displeasure with his =
dumping
material in front of a fellow cyclist.  After a few dozen call he might
consider covering his load.

David "Lost Dawg" Gaske
2000 Sprint RS  <-- in the Faster Yellow Color
Fredericksburg, Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:33 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Lawncare truck


Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch -
full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a =
wake
of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get =
in
front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence =
screaming
at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.

I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that
owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck
there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it =
was
very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.

BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages
listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be =
interested
in hearing me complain.


___________________________________________
     Mike Troutman
          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

         1997 Honda VFR 750
         AMA ~=3D~ NMA ~=3D~ NRA


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>As bike season roars in -- one cant help =
but&nbsp;applaud=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Loose loads</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Cellphone immersion</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>and this new driver affliction, "medical =
incident",&nbsp;which=20
has taken several area cage lives lately in two horribles.&nbsp; =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>AMA -- how about rolling these&nbsp;in=20
with&nbsp;the&nbsp;"Motorcycle Awareness" campaigns.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bill S. / DC<BR>'99 VN750 <BR>Join the AMA.&nbsp; =
Help protect=20
my riding fun.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>From: Gaske David G DLVA =
&lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:GaskeDG@XXXXXX"><FONT=20
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RE: Lawncare=20
truck<BR>Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:40:51 -0500<BR><BR>Post the =
number.&nbsp; We=20
can all call and show our displeasure with his dumping<BR>material in =
front of a=20
fellow cyclist.&nbsp; After a few dozen call he might<BR>consider =
covering his=20
load.<BR><BR>David "Lost Dawg" Gaske<BR>2000 Sprint RS&nbsp; &lt;-- in =
the=20
Faster Yellow Color<BR>Fredericksburg, Va.<BR><BR>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]<BR>Sent: =
Monday, March=20
25, 2002 1:33 PM<BR>To: </FONT><A =
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truck<BR><BR><BR>Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in =
Herndon at=20
lunch -<BR>full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and =
leaving=20
a wake<BR>of dead wood behind him.&nbsp; Several items hit me (nothing=20
major).&nbsp; I get in<BR>front of him at a light, park the bike, and go =
back to=20
commence screaming<BR>at him to cover his load.&nbsp; He says nothing =
and=20
leaves.<BR><BR>I have already called Fairfax County police as well as =
the=20
business that<BR>owns the truck.&nbsp; Looks like I was yelling at Peter =

himself, so no luck<BR>there.&nbsp; Any other steps I can take?&nbsp; =
There was=20
no property loss, but it was<BR>very much a nuisance - especially for a=20
motorcycle.<BR><BR>BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone =
number.&nbsp; No=20
Yellow Pages<BR>listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.&nbsp; I don't think =
they would=20
be interested<BR>in hearing me=20
complain.<BR><BR><BR>___________________________________________<BR>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Mike Troutman<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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Colin Dibley begat Roscoe Tanner begat Greg Rusedski. I actually played 
doubles with Smith once in the old DC tournament pro-am, against Dick 
Stockton, the clown prince of the tennis court. Lutz was there too, but 
Nasty -- thankfully -- wasn't.

How about Lacoste, Budge, Connolly, and Kramer? 8;)   (Even I'm not *that* 
old, though I did see Kramer play.)

Just an old hacker and apprentice tennis historian here...main Web site is 
www.tennisbooks.com.

Any other players in dc-cycles? Anyone have a tennis racquet backpack that 
doesn't bang the handles against your helmet while riding?

-- Larry




At 07:35 PM 12/25/2002, Chuck and Karen Pena wrote:
>Gee Larry, you must be a really old guy to know who Laver and Tilden were! 
>%^)  How about Smith, Lutz, Dibley, Nastase???
>
>Larry Larson wrote: <SNIP>
>
>>My Falco has "BRAAAP", 919 has "LAVER", and the Interceptor has 
>>"TILDEN"  (was "VF500").






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At 10:26 PM 3/25/2002, Dave Yates wrote:
>....I got veteran plates (they have a number designation, no special
>messages) for a couple of reasons.  One of them - maybe, just maybe, the
>next time I'm stopped for going a few miles faster than I should've
>been, maybe I'll get a warning...  Maybe I can't put esquire or PhD in
>my .sig...  But my DD214 & the DMV says my vehicles can wear veteran
>plates :)

I've always wondered why anyone would want any of the many different 
veteran plates VA offers (other than maybe the Purple Heart plates), and 
that's the first plausible reason I've come across.

I was mightily tempted last year by a VA NRA plate -- NRA logo right in the 
center, flanked by "WAC  KOS". The state is willing to allow it, and it's 
still available should anyone feel the urge to become a target. 8;)

-- Larry






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Hi,
  Its on the fog city package somewhere that it may cause glare.

Tom De '98 VTR

Pierre C wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have fog city on my arai helmet.  At night i get dazzled from the 
> oncoming cars lights in the opposite lane.  It can get very confusing 
> to drive like that.  I wonder if I installed it wrong: i think there 
> is a lot of air between the fog city screen and the helmet screen. I 
> have another fog city set, i was wondering if i should install it, or 
> if it's just the down side of the fog city screen to get bad vision at 
> night.
>
> Thank you,
> Pierfrancesco
>
>
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Larry Larson wrote:

> I was mightily tempted last year by a VA NRA plate -- NRA logo right in the
> center, flanked by "WAC  KOS". The state is willing to allow it, and it's
> still available should anyone feel the urge to become a target. 8;)
>
> -- Larry

Heh.  I like that one!  Or you could do the NRA logo and  GUN * NUT, or how
about the logo and  SHT * PKR


Bill
nutz but no gunz


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Sorry for the off topic request...I'm getting ready to pack the family up
and take a trip out to the mid-west.  I have a question for some of you
frequent travelers.  Should I take 68 to 79 to 70, or 70 to 76 to PA
turnpike (continuing on I70) ... The difference only amounts to 6 miles in
favor of the PA turnpike using Delorme, but I figured I would ask the list
if the PA turnpike is still a big mess? (and slow)

Thanks for any advice!

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Larry comments - 

I've always wondered why anyone would want any of the many different 
veteran plates VA offers (other than maybe the Purple Heart plates), 
and that's the first plausible reason I've come across.


  <DJY> I've actually seen a host of Veteran plates.  1 MH plate in 
MD (Medal of Honor) - only one I've ever seen in any state.  Pearl 
Harbor Survivor, Bataan Survivor, Silver Star & Bronze Star.  

It's worked before, I got detained for some BS speed violation, cop 
says 'you in the service' I say 'yeah, Army'  he says 'I was in the 
Marines'... I asked for  a warning, I got it (the warning, that is).
  

I was mightily tempted last year by a VA NRA plate -- NRA logo right 
in the center, flanked by "WAC  KOS". The state is willing to allow 
it, and it's still available should anyone feel the urge to become a 
target. 8;)

  <DJY> I support the NRA (but not always the NRA-ILA, there IS a 
difference), but that's a political statement akin to a bumper 
sticker.  Just like the rest of society, some cops don't like the 
people being armed.  Why predispose them to writing you a ticket? 
Besides, if you're going to get an NRA plate, at least get DBL TAP 
;-)

Dave  

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At 07:40 AM 3/26/02 -0500, Tom de wrote:
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>  Its on the fog city package somewhere that it may cause glare.
>
>Tom De '98 VTR

Has anyone tried the Rain-X anti fog, instead of using the Fog City?  Seems
like it would be safer  :-)

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote:

> At 07:40 AM 3/26/02 -0500, Tom de wrote:
> >Hi,
> >  Its on the fog city package somewhere that it may cause glare.
> >
> >Tom De '98 VTR
>
> Has anyone tried the Rain-X anti fog, instead of using the Fog City?  Seems
> like it would be safer  :-)

years ago I used it, and found it worked well, but needed somewhat
frequent application(every few weeks) so I'd allways forget untill I
needed it... so I gave up and put a fog city on the shield.

-jd


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Pier,

Fog City shields are the best anti-fog product on the market, but they are also notorious for the "starburst" effect with oncoming headlights for nighttime driving.  Don't know if there is a solution other than to ensure that the air gap between the Fog City shield and your helmet shield is at an absolute minimum.

Chuck
(Who used to use a Fog City shield, but now just uses some cheesey crayon-like product that I bought at the auto show a few years ago.  Scribble it on and then polish it.  Seems to work just fine for several rides before needing to re-apply.)

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 03:05:40 +0000
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Hello,

I have fog city on my arai helmet.  At night i get dazzled from the oncoming 
cars lights in the opposite lane.  It can get very confusing to drive like 
that.  I wonder if I installed it wrong: i think there is a lot of air 
between the fog city screen and the helmet screen. I have another fog city 
set, i was wondering if i should install it, or if it's just the down side 
of the fog city screen to get bad vision at night.

Thank you,
Pierfrancesco


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Dave Yates wrote:

> Bill asks -
>
> My question is, how many of you bitch and moan about taxes, which
> despite waste do contribute to the general good, but are perfectly
> willing to cough up extra tax/tag money for personalized tags which is
> nothing more than an ego trip?
>
>         <DJY>  If that's not a shot across my bow, I don't know what is !  :-)
>
>         I do.  I b!tch loudly about my government agencies flushing boat loads
> of my money, along with every other taxpayer, right down the toilet.
> There's too much government in every aspect of my life.  There's too
> much of a culture of dependence for that money by people who are too
> lazy go out & actually pay their own way (by and large.  Not everyone
> receiving public money is making  a living at it).  And actually,
> wouldn't it more appropriately be an "Id" trip ?  ;-)
>         I got veteran plates (they have a number designation, no special
> messages) for a couple of reasons.  One of them - maybe, just maybe, the
> next time I'm stopped for going a few miles faster than I should've
> been, maybe I'll get a warning...  Maybe I can't put esquire or PhD in
> my .sig...  But my DD214 & the DMV says my vehicles can wear veteran
> plates :)

That's cool, but IMHO every state should issue special vet tags with no extra
charge for the vet logo.   Those who served deserve the honor.

I'm not a vet, but it wasn't for the lack of trying.

1960 - armed with my HS diploma and stunning brain-test scores I got an
appointment with the Big Guy at the USNA in Annapolis.   He was drooling over my
test scores but he couldn't let me in - I was 16 - no way, too young.  Buggers.

1965 -  On the last lap to a degree in Math/Physics I joined the NAVROC program.
Yes!  I was in the Navy now!  Oops. *Misstatements* (lies) made by a recruiter
left several NAVROC boys in limbo, and rather than reassign us the USN's response
was to bury this incident in the SNAFU landfill and issue honorable discharges.
Buggers.

1967 - Drafted into the US Army.   I was teaching Jr Hi at the time and the head
of Wicomico County schools begged the Army to defer my induction until the end of
the school year.  Deal.  But then a Catholic priest and his pack of nuns raided my
draft board, carted the records outside, poured blood on them and burned them!
Known as the Catonsville Nine.  Once agian I was in limbo, never called up,
records lost and the Army didn't want to admit they were lost.  Buggers.  Back to
Jr high teaching.

!9?? - I'm informed that I'll be in the Nixon Draft Lottery.  The wife is
preggers, I'm losing confidance in our leaders, I'm not happy.  My number was
327.  Sheesh, by the time I got yanked we'd be hiding in the woods fighting the
commies with bow & arrows and spears.  The end.  No uniform for me.

My honorable discharge remains in the archive files.  I'll never display it, that
would be an insult to those who served.

Bill


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BBB, complaint with the police, are good. 

If you want to strike real fear into someone, see how many gov't agencies you can get after them. Start with the Virginia State Corporation Commission.  These are the folks that allow a company to do business in the state.  Explain to the SCC your concerns about this business illegally operating on public highways, showing no concern for safety of other drivers, pedestrians, kids, etc.

Hit 'em where it hurts, in their wallet.

Chris Norloff


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:33 PM
>> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>> Subject: Lawncare truck
>>
>>
>> Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch -
>> full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a
>wake
>> of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get in
>> front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence screaming
>> at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.
>>
>> I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that
>> owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck
>> there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it
>was
>> very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.
>>
>> BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages
>> listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be interested
>> in hearing me complain.
>>
>>
>> ___________________________________________
>>      Mike Troutman
>>           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
>>
>>          1997 Honda VFR 750
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>>
>>
>
>

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At one time I lived in Wheeling, WV which is directly on 70.  When I 
would travel to and from Manassas, I would take 68 to 79 to 70.  Its 
a less stressfull drive, and you don't have to pay any tolls.  

Eben
95 VFR
88 Hawk GT
98 KTM 200
99 KX 100
94 Aprilia Climber 280




--- In dc-cycles@y..., "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@l...> wrote:
> Sorry for the off topic request...I'm getting ready to pack the 
family up
> and take a trip out to the mid-west.  I have a question for some of 
you
> frequent travelers.  Should I take 68 to 79 to 70, or 70 to 76 to PA
> turnpike (continuing on I70) ... The difference only amounts to 6 
miles in
> favor of the PA turnpike using Delorme, but I figured I would ask 
the list
> if the PA turnpike is still a big mess? (and slow)
> 
> Thanks for any advice!
> 
> Brian
> 99 VFR (R/R on order!)


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The other issue with Rain-X (both the anti-rain and anti-fog) is the question of compatability with plastic.  I think they're pretty explicit about it being a "glass product" and to consult the manufacturer of any plastic product before using it (like you're really going to be able to ask Arai, Shoei, AGV, etc. if it's OK to use Rain-X on their visors!)  I've used Rain-X from time-to-time without any problems.  But my understanding is that there might be an issue with some sort of reaction with the plastic (I can't verify this, just hearsay).  Supposedly not a problem on a structurally sound and intact visor, windscreen, etc.  But if your visor cracks (e.g., stone hitting it or impact from a crash), it just might shatter (or the crack might really spider).  Again, this is just stuff I've heard and I have no basis for whether it's true or not.  Could be.  Or could be urban legend.  Anyone on the list have anything to say about it???

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> Has anyone tried the Rain-X anti fog, instead of using the Fog City?  Seems
> like it would be safer  :-)

years ago I used it, and found it worked well, but needed somewhat
frequent application(every few weeks) so I'd allways forget untill I
needed it... so I gave up and put a fog city on the shield.

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Some of you guys' vanity tags are real head scratchers.  Mine is "SIXIST"
(on my 6-cylinder Valkyrie).  Note the helpful hint for those who, like my
wife,  think it was merely a spelling error, .

I have some suggestions.  For the guy wanting budoka, if you get another
letter on the tag, it could be spelled more accurately as "BUDOUKA" since
the "O" is a long-O, but be forewarned, without the actual characters, a
Japanese could possibly mistake it to mean "GRAPEIST"

For the SQUID wannabe, most sushi eaters know it as "IKA"-- that might not
be taken.  An English homonym is also cuddlefish, which has many
possibilities for abbreviation to license plate size.

Jim Caldwell
Owings, MD
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> From: "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Question about brakes...
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:44:43 -0500
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> Hey all - I'm undertaking the 10K mile service on my H-D these next couple
> of weekends. I say next couple because (1) it takes a long time and (2) I
> can't really ride that much anyway whilst I battle this combination
nagging
> head cold/killer tooth ache. It's the drugs, man. They say not to operate
> heavy equipment, and my 800-lb. bike surely fits into that category.
> Besides, it's a nice way to pass the weekend while it's still too cold to
> really putter around the yard, and doing the task myself saves me from
> having to dump $400+ into the local stealership till.
>
> Anyway, my question - I got myself a Mity-Vac brake bleeder. I followed
the
> directions and bled the front brakes. Now they're... different. And I
don't
> have the years/miles to know if it's good different or bad different.
>
> Let's say for the sake of argument that my front brake lever has 3 inches
of
> travel. OK then, for the first 10K miles of my bike's life I would pull on
> the lever, and feel resistance begin at about the 3/8" to 5/8" point, then
> feel pretty steady (and increasing) feedback until a point about 1/4" from
> the throttle grip, where the lever would "stop". We'll say that point is
> front wheel lock up. Well, now I don't get squat for feedback until about
1"
> or 1 1/4", but that's where the lever stops. It won't travel any further
> toward the grip. I'll go from 5% feedback to 99% in that 1/16" area. It
> feels like that point will be my new front wheel lockup point. I have yet
to
> road test because I still have a few fluids to change and it is dark out
> right now.
>
> When I got steel braided lines on my CBR, this is how the change in brake
> feel went as well (old system was progressive, after-system was full on or
> full off). I just had to get used to only having two braking situations,
> full on or full off. Mind you I didn't mount the lines, I had Heyser in
> Laurel do it. The new system performance didn't bother me, it was just the
> new way to ride.
>
> Well, this is my first personal foray into brake dynamics, and I was
> wondering what kind of job I've done. I purposely didn't do the back
brakes
> until I find out if this is a properly set-up front brake system. I'll
tell
> you straight up that I liked the older style of more progressive braking.
> But if that was a bad set-up, and this is a good one, I'll stay where I'm
> at. If I'm wrong, then I need to find the way to get back to where I was.
>
> Maybe it had something to do with the Mity-Vac? It was pulling a lot of
air
> bubbles through the tube, but I assumed it was air getting past the seal
on
> the bleeder, not continuing to exit the bleeder. (I need a set of those
> after-market brake bleeding Zirk fittings with a check valve built right
in.
> Why don't bikes come with those standard?)
>
> What say you, list of knowledge? How are brakes supposed to feel? Or are
all
> systems different? Just wondering...
>
> Howard J. Koontz
> 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For Sale)
> "We're all here because we're not all there."
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:10:05 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tight Squeeze Racing <tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX>
> Subject: WTB: SV Race Bike
> To: MicaPeak Race List <Race@XXXXXX>, List SV650
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> sounds like the mighty Mity Vac did it's job and got rid of all the air in
> your system...removing that pesky sponginess you got used to.
>
> In a perfect hydraulic system, you shouldn't be able to move the lever at
> all from pad contact (to the disk) to lock up.  As you pull on the lever,
> you increase pressure in the system...and since the pads "feel" that
> pressure, they press against the disks.  You would modulate braking force
by
> varying the force you apply to the lever...
>
> In reality, the pads move a finite distance, and all of the components
> flex/expand under pressure, etc....so you can move the lever some.  In a
> system with air in it, you also get to compress all those air bubbles,
> giving you even more motion of the lever before you can get pressure high
> enough to lock the brakes.  Too much air, you run out of travel on the
lever
> before you are even slowing down.
>
> Bottom line: Welcome to the world of proper brake operation.
>
> --jon
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 8:45 PM
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: Question about brakes...
> >
> >
> > Hey all - I'm undertaking the 10K mile service on my H-D these next
couple
> > of weekends. I say next couple because (1) it takes a long time and (2)
I
> > can't really ride that much anyway whilst I battle this
> > combination nagging
> > head cold/killer tooth ache. It's the drugs, man. They say not to
operate
> > heavy equipment, and my 800-lb. bike surely fits into that category.
> > Besides, it's a nice way to pass the weekend while it's still too cold
to
> > really putter around the yard, and doing the task myself saves me from
> > having to dump $400+ into the local stealership till.
> >
> > Anyway, my question - I got myself a Mity-Vac brake bleeder. I
> > followed the
> > directions and bled the front brakes. Now they're... different.
> > And I don't
> > have the years/miles to know if it's good different or bad different.
> >
> > Let's say for the sake of argument that my front brake lever has
> > 3 inches of
> > travel. OK then, for the first 10K miles of my bike's life I would pull
on
> > the lever, and feel resistance begin at about the 3/8" to 5/8" point,
then
> > feel pretty steady (and increasing) feedback until a point about 1/4"
from
> > the throttle grip, where the lever would "stop". We'll say that point is
> > front wheel lock up. Well, now I don't get squat for feedback
> > until about 1"
> > or 1 1/4", but that's where the lever stops. It won't travel any further
> > toward the grip. I'll go from 5% feedback to 99% in that 1/16" area. It
> > feels like that point will be my new front wheel lockup point. I
> > have yet to
> > road test because I still have a few fluids to change and it is dark out
> > right now.
> >
> > When I got steel braided lines on my CBR, this is how the change in
brake
> > feel went as well (old system was progressive, after-system was full on
or
> > full off). I just had to get used to only having two braking situations,
> > full on or full off. Mind you I didn't mount the lines, I had Heyser in
> > Laurel do it. The new system performance didn't bother me, it was just
the
> > new way to ride.
> >
> > Well, this is my first personal foray into brake dynamics, and I was
> > wondering what kind of job I've done. I purposely didn't do the
> > back brakes
> > until I find out if this is a properly set-up front brake system.
> > I'll tell
> > you straight up that I liked the older style of more progressive
braking.
> > But if that was a bad set-up, and this is a good one, I'll stay where
I'm
> > at. If I'm wrong, then I need to find the way to get back to where I
was.
> >
> > Maybe it had something to do with the Mity-Vac? It was pulling a
> > lot of air
> > bubbles through the tube, but I assumed it was air getting past
> > the seal on
> > the bleeder, not continuing to exit the bleeder. (I need a set of those
> > after-market brake bleeding Zirk fittings with a check valve
> > built right in.
> > Why don't bikes come with those standard?)
> >
> > What say you, list of knowledge? How are brakes supposed to feel?
> > Or are all
> > systems different? Just wondering...
> >
> > Howard J. Koontz
> > 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For Sale)
> > "We're all here because we're not all there."
> >
> >
>
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> > sounds like the mighty Mity Vac did it's job and got rid of all the air
in
>
> its not it's
>
> My apologies to all of the English teachers out there.
>
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> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:37:23 -0500
> From: Robert Verde <c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX>
> Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/23/02 - BUDOKA
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> Actually, I chose my vanity plate based on Budo, the Japanese Art of War,
and
> the "ka" suffix denotes a practitioner, i.e., judoka = a person who
practices
> judo, and karateka = a karate specialist.  Since both of these
alternatives were
> either taken or too long, I chose the more generic Budoka.
>
> Unfortunately, I will lose the tag when I transfer registration to VA, as
it's
> an Oregon plate and someone already has this one in VA.  8-(
>
> Checking out some alternatives on the VA DMV site; "18 WHL" for the 18"
rear
> wheel (probably think I'm a truck-driver) is still available, as is
"SQUIDO".
> =8->
>
> BTW, James, I certainly agree with your estimation of the suitability of
> Boudicca as a good name for a bike!
>
> Robert
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> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:54:11 -0500
> From: James Reazor <JReazor@XXXXXX>
> Subject: RE: Brrr...
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> Could it be an intentional mispelling of Boudicca? Good name for sport
bike.
>
> -James
> '00 SV650
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX]
> > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:16 PM
> > To: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX
> > Cc: DC Cycles List
> > Subject: Re: Brrr...
> >
> >
> > Robert Verde wrote in an earlier sig file:
> >
> > > '83 Honda VF750F (RC-15) "BUDOKA"
> >
> > So, what's a "Budoka" anyway?
> >
> > Hork
> >
> > --
> > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)
> >
> > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
> > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth
> >
> > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
> > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
> > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress
>
>
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> Does anyone have SKWID for a VA personalized plate?  I thought about that
one.  Too bad CALAMARI has too many letters for a m/c plate.
>
> Chuck
> DGZBLX
>
> Original Message: <SNIP>
>
> Unfortunately, I will lose the tag when I transfer registration to VA, as
it's
> an Oregon plate and someone already has this one in VA.  8-(
>
> Checking out some alternatives on the VA DMV site; "18 WHL" for the 18"
rear
> wheel (probably think I'm a truck-driver) is still available, as is
"SQUIDO".
> =8->
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> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@XXXXXX>
> To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Personalized Tags in MD
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:29:54 -0500
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> Let me just say, I haven't done any research on this, but figured somebody
> here HAS!! Does anyone know the cost for personalized motorcycle tags in
MD?
> Can you purchase these online through MD MVA or do you have to go into one
> of the main offices?  I've thrown around the idea of getting one.. But
> haven't made the decision!
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> Brian
> 99VFR
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> personalized motorcycle tags in MD?&nbsp; Can you purchase these online =
> through MD MVA or do you have to go into one of the main offices?&nbsp; =
> I've thrown around the idea of getting one.. But haven't made the =
> decision!</FONT></P>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks for any info.</FONT>
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> From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:36:58 -0500
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> Personalized Tags in MDMy tags (VA)
>
> http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg
>
> http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/plate-7.jpg
>
> http://www.fj1100.com/fj_gallery/Fj046.jpg
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>
>
> I'd be interested to hear what others have?
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My tags (VA)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
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> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'd be interested to hear what others=20
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> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:41:29 -0800 (PST)
> From: stephen cutchins <stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Question about brakes...- MityVac
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>
> I have found that my MityVac is great for replacing
> brake fluid but terrible for bleeding brakes.
>
> To replace fluid, have one person pump the vac while
> another person adds fluid to the master cylinder as it
> gets low.  When the fluid runs clear into the vac then
> you're done.  The MityVac is great for this.
>
> To bleed brakes, the best way is to do the old pump
> the lever, hold, crack bleeder bolt, repeat procedure.
>  It really does work the best.  Do this a half dozen
> times or so and your brakes should be fine.
>
> --- "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Hey all - I'm undertaking the 10K mile service on my
> > H-D these next couple
> > of weekends. I say next couple because (1) it takes
> > a long time and (2) I
> > can't really ride that much anyway whilst I battle
> > this combination nagging
> > head cold/killer tooth ache. It's the drugs, man.
> > They say not to operate
> > heavy equipment, and my 800-lb. bike surely fits
> > into that category.
> > Besides, it's a nice way to pass the weekend while
> > it's still too cold to
> > really putter around the yard, and doing the task
> > myself saves me from
> > having to dump $400+ into the local stealership
> > till.
> >
> > Anyway, my question - I got myself a Mity-Vac brake
> > bleeder. I followed the
> > directions and bled the front brakes. Now they're...
> > different. And I don't
> > have the years/miles to know if it's good different
> > or bad different.
> >
> > Let's say for the sake of argument that my front
> > brake lever has 3 inches of
> > travel. OK then, for the first 10K miles of my
> > bike's life I would pull on
> > the lever, and feel resistance begin at about the
> > 3/8" to 5/8" point, then
> > feel pretty steady (and increasing) feedback until a
> > point about 1/4" from
> > the throttle grip, where the lever would "stop".
> > We'll say that point is
> > front wheel lock up. Well, now I don't get squat for
> > feedback until about 1"
> > or 1 1/4", but that's where the lever stops. It
> > won't travel any further
> > toward the grip. I'll go from 5% feedback to 99% in
> > that 1/16" area. It
> > feels like that point will be my new front wheel
> > lockup point. I have yet to
> > road test because I still have a few fluids to
> > change and it is dark out
> > right now.
> >
> > When I got steel braided lines on my CBR, this is
> > how the change in brake
> > feel went as well (old system was progressive,
> > after-system was full on or
> > full off). I just had to get used to only having two
> > braking situations,
> > full on or full off. Mind you I didn't mount the
> > lines, I had Heyser in
> > Laurel do it. The new system performance didn't
> > bother me, it was just the
> > new way to ride.
> >
> > Well, this is my first personal foray into brake
> > dynamics, and I was
> > wondering what kind of job I've done. I purposely
> > didn't do the back brakes
> > until I find out if this is a properly set-up front
> > brake system. I'll tell
> > you straight up that I liked the older style of more
> > progressive braking.
> > But if that was a bad set-up, and this is a good
> > one, I'll stay where I'm
> > at. If I'm wrong, then I need to find the way to get
> > back to where I was.
> >
> > Maybe it had something to do with the Mity-Vac? It
> > was pulling a lot of air
> > bubbles through the tube, but I assumed it was air
> > getting past the seal on
> > the bleeder, not continuing to exit the bleeder. (I
> > need a set of those
> > after-market brake bleeding Zirk fittings with a
> > check valve built right in.
> > Why don't bikes come with those standard?)
> >
> > What say you, list of knowledge? How are brakes
> > supposed to feel? Or are all
> > systems different? Just wondering...
> >
> > Howard J. Koontz
> > 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For
> > Sale)
> > "We're all here because we're not all there."
> >
> >
>
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> From: "Genna Melamed" <genna@XXXXXX>
> To: "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD
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> Personalized Tags in MD$43.50 2 years(for MC)
>
> Currently you cannot get these online(you can only re-register them).  =
> However, I will soon be working on that application.  MVA is about to =
> give a contract to our company to develop vanity registration online.  =
> That will be me mostly :)
>
> I couldn't help but putting some personal advertisement there.
>
> And no, I don't work at of for MVA.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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> Please note that my email is changing to=20
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>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: ROBERSON, Brian=20
>   To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'=20
>   Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:29 AM
>   Subject: Personalized Tags in MD
>
>
>   Let me just say, I haven't done any research on this, but figured =
> somebody here HAS!! Does anyone know the cost for personalized =
> motorcycle tags in MD?  Can you purchase these online through MD MVA or =
> do you have to go into one of the main offices?  I've thrown around the =
> idea of getting one.. But haven't made the decision!
>
>   Thanks for any info.=20
>
>   Brian=20
>   99VFR=20
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$43.50 2 years(for MC)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Currently you cannot get these =
> online(you can only=20
> re-register them).&nbsp; However, I will soon be working on that=20
> application.&nbsp; MVA is about to give a contract to our company to =
> develop=20
> vanity registration online.&nbsp; That will be me mostly :)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I couldn't help but putting some =
> personal=20
> advertisement there.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And no, I don't work at of for =
> MVA.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>----------------------------------------------------------------<BR>=
> Genna=20
> Melamed<BR>Please note that my email is changing to <BR><A=20
> href=3D"mailto:genna@XXXXXX">genna@XXXXXX</A><BR>--------------=
> --------------------------------------------------</DIV>
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> black"><B>From:</B>=20
>   <A title=3Dbroberso@XXXXXX href=3D"mailto:broberso@XXXXXX">ROBERSON, =
> Brian</A>=20
>   </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Ddc-cycles@XXXXXX=20
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> href=3D"mailto:'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'">'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'</A> =
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>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 25, 2002 =
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>   AM</DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Personalized Tags in =
> MD</DIV>
>   <DIV><BR></DIV>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>Let me just say, I haven't done any research on =
> this, but=20
>   figured somebody here HAS!! Does anyone know the cost for personalized =
>
>   motorcycle tags in MD?&nbsp; Can you purchase these online through MD =
> MVA or=20
>   do you have to go into one of the main offices?&nbsp; I've thrown =
> around the=20
>   idea of getting one.. But haven't made the decision!</FONT></P>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for any info.</FONT> </P>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>Brian</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>99VFR</FONT>=20
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> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:49:11 -0500
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> From: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD
>
> Apparently, all your plates are bad ;-)
>
> The dccycles website has a list of our personalized plates.  Those that
> contributed anyway.
>
> I'm going for a lunchtime ride through Reston.  Woo Hoo!
>
> At 11:36 AM 3/25/2002, Gary Foreman wrote:
> >My tags (VA)
> >
>
><http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg>http://www.gwfweb.com/cyc
les/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg
> >
> >http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/plate-7.jpg
> >
>
><http://www.fj1100.com/fj_gallery/Fj046.jpg>http://www.fj1100.com/fj_galler
y/Fj046.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >I'd be interested to hear what others have?
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >___________________________________________
> >
> >     Mike Troutman
> >         http://www.troutman.org
>
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> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" <lantech.cwd@XXXXXX>
> To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Law Ride May 11-12
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:51:50 -0500
>
> Hi All,
>
> I know it's a ways away but you know how time flies!!! Anyway, the 2002
> Police Week activities are being planned and the Law Ride is one of my
> favorite rides to do.  So I wanted to share!
>
> May 12 (Sunday) is the Law Ride, which is a procession from RFK to the Law
> Enforcement Memorial in honor of all cops killed in the line of duty last
> year. There is a wreath-laying ceremony at the end of the ride along with
> places to buy a burger or a beer or some cop paraphenalia.    It's a
pretty
> big group; many thousand. Not too bad for a ride started by a couple of
cops
> and about 100 bikes in 1996!
> There is no fee for the ride but you are encouraged to buy something at
the
> end, a t-shirt or beer or something, to help cover the costs associated
with
> the ride.
>
> May 11 (Saturday) is a Dice Run, not sure of the route (it has not been
> published yet) but the fee is $10 per card.  Proceeds to go to the
National
> Law Enforcement Officers' Memorial Fund, which pays for maintaining the
> memorial and adding names to it annually. Starts in Falls Church.
>
> The web site with more information is: http://www.lawride.com/
>
> I think both events are good fun, and there's not too many causes more
> worthy than the Law Enforcement Memorial, especially this year.  If anyone
> needs more details feel free to contact me, and hopefully some listers
will
> turn out for that ride!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Patti
>
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> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:02:51 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Daniel H. Brown" <brown@XXXXXX>
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
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> I have Virginia "devvfr" which makes more sense if you know that I also
> have "devcar" and that I do unix systems admin.
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Gary Foreman wrote:
>
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:36:58 -0500
> > From: Gary Foreman <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD
> >
> > Personalized Tags in MDMy tags (VA)
> >
> > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg
> >
> > http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/plate-7.jpg
> >
> > http://www.fj1100.com/fj_gallery/Fj046.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd be interested to hear what others have?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Dan Brown
> brown@XXXXXX
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> From: "Diep, Tuan (Washington)" <Tuan.Diep@XXXXXX>
> To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: need a cover
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:22:00 -0500
>
> Where is the best place online to get an all-weather cover?
> THanks
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> From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Question about brakes...- MityVac
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:31:04 -0500
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> You can do without the Mity-Vac with a speed-bleeder and you don't even
need
> a helper.  Attach a piece of rubber tubing to the speed-bleeder, open the
> speed-bleeder, open the reservoir and start pumping the lever, topping off
> with new fluid as the level drops.  When the old brown cruddy fluid runs
> clear, close the speed-bleeder and you're done.  Since the circuit is
> pressurized, the old fluid will automatically be forced out of the system
> through the one-way speed-bleeder valve.  You can even open up both
calipers
> on the front with the speed-bleeders and do *both* front brakes at the
same
> time.
>
>
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
> www.wilsonline.org
> Join the VFR750 list >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen cutchins" <stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX>
>
> > I have found that my MityVac is great for replacing
> > brake fluid but terrible for bleeding brakes.
> >
> > To replace fluid, have one person pump the vac while
> > another person adds fluid to the master cylinder as it
> > gets low.  When the fluid runs clear into the vac then
> > you're done.  The MityVac is great for this.
> >
> > To bleed brakes, the best way is to do the old pump
> > the lever, hold, crack bleeder bolt, repeat procedure.
> >  It really does work the best.  Do this a half dozen
> > times or so and your brakes should be fine.
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:12:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>
> THe best one I ever saw was:
>
> LBNACL
>
> On a run-down junk of a car. I reregistered my Triumph Trident/Speed3
> today as "3TRUBL" now that it's back on the road... Hmm, if I run
> around town on expired tags pending the shipment from the DMV (3
> weeks), what do I tell occifer friendly if I get yanked?
>
>
> Spoiler Alert!! (scroll down to see what it works out to)
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> __________________________________________________
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> From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
> To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: RE: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:22:45 -0500
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> IM L8 2 on a white VW Rabbit....
>
> --jon
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX]
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:12 PM
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> >
> >
> > THe best one I ever saw was:
> >
> > LBNACL
> >
> > On a run-down junk of a car. I reregistered my Triumph Trident/Speed3
> > today as "3TRUBL" now that it's back on the road... Hmm, if I run
> > around town on expired tags pending the shipment from the DMV (3
> > weeks), what do I tell occifer friendly if I get yanked?
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> > __________________________________________________
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> > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards.
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> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@XXXXXX>
> To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: VFR R/R - HOM order -- Tire @ CAD Cycles -- AZ Motorsports order
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:26:03 -0500
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> Thanks to Mike Troutman for reminding me about Honda of Milpitas for my
> busted Regulator/Rectifier. Mentioning the VFR List gets you a good
discount
> and the shipping is FedEx.  The total for the R/R came to $131 which
> included shipping.
>
> It looks like my battery went bad, and in turn roasted the R/R. The
> alternator is putting out 65volts @5000rpm over the 3 phases.  I checked
the
> other connecters including the grounding wires and everything appears OK.
I
> am hoping the combination of the new battery and new R/R will get me back
on
> the road!
>
> On another note, I wanted to give a shout out to Cycle Accessory
Discounters
> in Gaithersburg. I was pleasantly surprised to walk in with a new tire and
> my old rim and have it completed in 10 minutes.  The guys (david y and
other
> mechanics) are very pleasant to deal with.  The mount and balance cost me
> $15 -- extremely reasonable.
>
> Also, I recently ordered: BT010 front, BT020 rear, GIVI hard bag and
> mounting kit from Arizona Motorsports (if you own a VFR mention the VFR
list
> for 10% discount).  Everything came in when they said it would.  Nothing
was
> busted or broken.  Very nice outfit to deal with.
>
> Brian
> 99 VFR -> on the road to recovery
>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks to Mike Troutman for reminding me about Honda =
> of Milpitas for my busted Regulator/Rectifier. Mentioning the VFR List =
> gets you a good discount and the shipping is FedEx.&nbsp; The total for =
> the R/R came to $131 which included shipping.&nbsp; </FONT></P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It looks like my battery went bad, and in turn =
> roasted the R/R. The alternator is putting out 65volts @5000rpm over =
> the 3 phases.&nbsp; I checked the other connecters including the =
> grounding wires and everything appears OK.&nbsp; I am hoping the =
> combination of the new battery and new R/R will get me back on the =
> road!</FONT></P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On another note, I wanted to give a shout out to =
> Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg. I was pleasantly surprised =
> to walk in with a new tire and my old rim and have it completed in 10 =
> minutes.&nbsp; The guys (david y and other mechanics) are very pleasant =
> to deal with.&nbsp; The mount and balance cost me $15 -- extremely =
> reasonable.</FONT></P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Also, I recently ordered: BT010 front, BT020 rear, =
> GIVI hard bag and mounting kit from Arizona Motorsports (if you own a =
> VFR mention the VFR list for 10% discount).&nbsp; Everything came in =
> when they said it would.&nbsp; Nothing was busted or broken.&nbsp; Very =
> nice outfit to deal with.</FONT></P>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>99 VFR -&gt; on the road to recovery</FONT>
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> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:33:18 -0500
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> From: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Lawncare truck
>
> Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch -
> full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a
wake
> of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get in
> front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence screaming
> at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.
>
> I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that
> owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck
> there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it
was
> very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.
>
> BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages
> listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be interested
> in hearing me complain.
>
>
> ___________________________________________
>      Mike Troutman
>           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
>
>          1997 Honda VFR 750
>          AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
>
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> From: Gaske David G DLVA <GaskeDG@XXXXXX>
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: RE: Lawncare truck
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:40:51 -0500
>
> Post the number.  We can all call and show our displeasure with his
dumping
> material in front of a fellow cyclist.  After a few dozen call he might
> consider covering his load.
>
> David "Lost Dawg" Gaske
> 2000 Sprint RS  <-- in the Faster Yellow Color
> Fredericksburg, Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:33 PM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Lawncare truck
>
>
> Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch -
> full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a
wake
> of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get in
> front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence screaming
> at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.
>
> I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that
> owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck
> there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it
was
> very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.
>
> BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages
> listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be interested
> in hearing me complain.
>
>
> ___________________________________________
>      Mike Troutman
>           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
>
>          1997 Honda VFR 750
>          AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
>
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> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:45:29 -0500
> From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags
>
> ...
> THe best one I ever saw was:
>
> LBNACL
>
> On a run-down junk of a car.
>
>
>    <DJY>  hmm....  Sounds like 'radio' Mike, a guy that shoots with
> us Fridays...  small world...
>
> Typically, I've avoided specialized plates since hearing from several
> sources that cops aren't particularly fond of cutesy sayings on your
> tags...  And I'm not particularly fond of giving the state any more
> money than necessary.  Nevertheless, I sprung for Veteran plates a
> couple of weeks back...  Wouldn't you know, they don't make them for
> bikes <GRRR!>
>
> Dave
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:59:30 -0500 (EST)
> From: JD <jdonovan@XXXXXX>
> To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: RE: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
>
>
>
> SI 2 AU
>
> On a porsche 911 in the SF bay area.
>
> -jd
>
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> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" <ersilberg@XXXXXX>
> From: "Eric Silberg" <silbergej@XXXXXX>
> To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:21:21 -0500
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> Hate to add to the off topic banter...well, I guess I don't hate it that
> much...
>
> 1DIV0
>
> on an Infinity
>
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> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:06:36 -0800 (PST)
> From: Adam Reinhardt <ajreinhardt@XXXXXX>
> Subject: CBR Fan Problem
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>
>   My 1989 CBR 600F is running hot, with the needle
> flirting dangerously close the red H. It seems that
> the fan has stopped funtioning. Any ideas for a simple
> fix before I drain the coolant and pull the radiator?
> I feel like maybe there is a problem with the
> electrical connection that powers the fan.
>
>
> Adam Reinhardt
> 89 CBR 600F
>
> __________________________________________________
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> From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Lawncare truck
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:09:53 -0500
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> A lot of these lawn care companies are fly-by-night gray market
operations,
> so I wouldn't expect to get much satisfaction.  I do make it a policy to
> make mental notes about company drivers from more reputable businesses
> mis-behaving on the roads.  On a few occasions I've made a polite call,
> saying "I observed truck/van number such and such driving recklessly at
such
> and such time and it reflects poorly on your organization.  If I were a
> potential customer, I would have second thoughts about patronizing your
> business."  I hope my complaint gets passed down to the guilty party with
an
> appropriate kick in the ass.  I did it once with a refrigerated delivery
> truck that was idling outside our house from 5AM until 7AM to make a
> delivery at a grocery store.  I had words with the driver who was very
rude
> and refused to move or shut off his engine.  He was, in fact, asleep when
I
> confronted him.  I called the number on the truck and asked to speak to
the
> truck dispatcher after it happened a second time.  After I made the call,
> it's not happened again, nor have I seen that driver again from this
> particular distributor servicing the business on our street.  Yours may be
> the complaint that finally gets the a-hole fired.
>
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gaske David G DLVA" <GaskeDG@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Lawncare truck
>
>
> > Post the number.  We can all call and show our displeasure with his
> dumping
> > material in front of a fellow cyclist.  After a few dozen call he might
> > consider covering his load.
> >
> > David "Lost Dawg" Gaske
> > 2000 Sprint RS  <-- in the Faster Yellow Color
> > Fredericksburg, Va.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:33 PM
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: Lawncare truck
> >
> >
> > Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch -
> > full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a
> wake
> > of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get
in
> > front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence
screaming
> > at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.
> >
> > I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that
> > owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck
> > there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it
> was
> > very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.
> >
> > BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages
> > listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be
interested
> > in hearing me complain.
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________
> >      Mike Troutman
> >           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
> >
> >          1997 Honda VFR 750
> >          AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
> >
> >
>
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> From: "Dan Matz" <dmatz@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/23/02 - BUDOKA
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:34:23 -0500
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>
>
> Does anyone have SKWID for a VA personalized plate?  I thought about that
> one.  Too bad CALAMARI has too many letters for a m/c plate.
>
>
> ----
>
> My friend Tim (Current ride - VFR back seat when he offers enough money)
has
> decided that his tag for his bike (should be getting it any year now) will
> read PNKYPWR  (Punky Power)
>
> Ben
>
>
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> X-Originating-IP: [68.48.115.16]
> From: "Rob Keiser" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: CBR Fan Problem
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:23:43 -0500
> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2002 22:23:43.0995 (UTC)
FILETIME=[B95314B0:01C1D44B]
>
> I don't know much about the connectors, but one thing to rule out first is
> any obstruction to the fan blades themselves.  I remember reading a post
on
> the VFR list about a small branch had somehow gotten lodged in there
keeping
> the fan from turning.  Could be a quick fix.
>
> Just an idea.
>
> Rob
> '98 VFR800
>
>
> From: Adam Reinhardt <ajreinhardt@XXXXXX>
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: CBR Fan Problem
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:06:36 -0800 (PST)
>
>    My 1989 CBR 600F is running hot, with the needle
> flirting dangerously close the red H. It seems that
> the fan has stopped funtioning. Any ideas for a simple
> fix before I drain the coolant and pull the radiator?
> I feel like maybe there is a problem with the
> electrical connection that powers the fan.
>
>
> Adam Reinhardt
> 89 CBR 600F
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards^[$B%g^[(B
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>
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> From: "Dan Matz" <dmatz@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: CBR Fan Problem
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:45:16 -0500
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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>
> You want to check the fuses first (of course, if you've done this already,
> good job! :))
>
> Ben
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Reinhardt" <ajreinhardt@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:06 PM
> Subject: CBR Fan Problem
>
>
> >   My 1989 CBR 600F is running hot, with the needle
> > flirting dangerously close the red H. It seems that
> > the fan has stopped funtioning. Any ideas for a simple
> > fix before I drain the coolant and pull the radiator?
> > I feel like maybe there is a problem with the
> > electrical connection that powers the fan.
> >
> >
> > Adam Reinhardt
> > 89 CBR 600F
> >
>
>
>
>
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> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:12:00 -0500
> To: "Daniel H. Brown" <brown@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> From: Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
>
> At 12:02 PM 3/25/2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote:
>
> >I have Virginia "devvfr" which makes more sense if you know that I also
> >have "devcar" and that I do unix systems admin.
>
> Well, for the older computer folk, my brother's Valkyrie has "IPL" and his
> wife's Magna has "RE-IPL"
>
> My Falco has "BRAAAP", 919 has "LAVER", and the Interceptor has
> "TILDEN"  (was "VF500").
>
> Miata has "SNGL MLT", Honda has "SRVEMUP".
>
> -- Larry
>
>
>
>
>
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> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:13:52 -0500
> To: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> From: Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
>
> At 01:12 PM 3/25/2002, matthew patton wrote:
> >THe best one I ever saw was:
> >
> >LBNACL
> >
> >On a run-down junk of a car.
>
>
> Best -- and worst -- one I've ever seen was on a new 'vette at the
> Pentagon: "TWTLVR".
>
> -- Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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 From a post on the WERA BBS.

> Loudon Motorsports (of WERA Endurance fame) was broken into over the 
> weekend. Dean Middleton asked me to post the details:
>
> ===============
> Just a quick moment of your time please ladies and gents. Late Sunday 
> night/ early Monday morning some theiving bastards broke into the shop 
> i work at, Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg, VA. and with the aid of a 
> stolen Penske 24' truck (which was stolen from behind us) made off with 
> the following
> 2x Suzuki RM125 2002 Motocross bikes, new and unassembled (they left 
> the assy. bags)
> 1x New Honda TRX500 ATV
> 1x New Honda TRX400EX (sport model) ATV
> 1x 2001 Honda CBR929RR Erion Racing sport bike (missing muffler, new 
> rear tire)
> 1x 1993 Honda CBR900RR sport bike with broken tinted windscreen
> 1x 1997 Suzuki DR650 white/ purple enduro
> 1x Suzuki RM125 2002, new and prepped
> and possibly more once we study the camera footage some more.
> If you need more info or have any info feel free to call us at the shop
> 703-777-1652 or
> 800-441-BIKE
> Thanks
> Dean Middleton
> ===============
>
> Customer bikes (in for repair) were also taken. Rumor has it that this 
> has happened to other dealers in the area.
>
> Greg, the owner of Loudon, is a great guy who puts a lot back into this 
> sport. Please give them a call if you hear anything.
>
> Jim
> AoD

Anyone have their bike up at Loudoun for service?!?!

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing


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ROBERSON, Brian wrote:

>
>
> Sorry for the off topic request...I'm getting ready to pack the family
> up and take a trip out to the mid-west.  I have a question for some of
> you frequent travelers.  Should I take 68 to 79 to 70, or 70 to 76 to
> PA turnpike (continuing on I70) ... The difference only amounts to 6
> miles in favor of the PA turnpike using Delorme, but I figured I would
> ask the list if the PA turnpike is still a big mess? (and slow)
>
> Thanks for any advice!
>
> Brian
> 99 VFR (R/R on order!)

The PA turnpike bolws.  Take 68, a nice scenic highway.   I took that
route on the way to MI on the scoot last fall.

Bill

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<P><FONT SIZE=-1>Sorry for the off topic request...I'm getting ready to
pack the family up and take a trip out to the mid-west.&nbsp; I have a
question for some of you frequent travelers.&nbsp; Should I take 68 to
79 to 70, or 70 to 76 to PA turnpike (continuing on I70) ... The difference
only amounts to 6 miles in favor of the PA turnpike using Delorme, but
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The PA turnpike bolws.&nbsp; Take 68, a nice scenic highway.&nbsp;&nbsp;
I took that route on the way to MI on the scoot last fall.
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JD wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote:
>
> > At 07:40 AM 3/26/02 -0500, Tom de wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >  Its on the fog city package somewhere that it may cause glare.
> > >
> > >Tom De '98 VTR
> >
> > Has anyone tried the Rain-X anti fog, instead of using the Fog City?  Seems
> > like it would be safer  :-)
>
> years ago I used it, and found it worked well, but needed somewhat
> frequent application(every few weeks) so I'd allways forget untill I
> needed it... so I gave up and put a fog city on the shield.
>
> -jd

I don't use anything.  Fog is good. Hey, there's a lotta nutz out there, and
clear vision scares the hell outta me!

Bill
always a bit foggy anyway...


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My former son-in-law was in lawn care.  I gave him my old `75 van, which kept the road litter down.  But he never changed tags, ran for almost two years on an expired NC tag with expired inspection!   The rusty van looked like something out of the Grapes of Wrath but it took Fairfax County's finest almost two years to shut him down.  By then the steering was so loose you sorta aimed the
truck.  Beware of lawn care...

Bill


Chris Norloff wrote:

> BBB, complaint with the police, are good.
>
> If you want to strike real fear into someone, see how many gov't agencies you can get after them. Start with the Virginia State Corporation Commission.  These are the folks that allow a company to do business in the state.  Explain to the SCC your concerns about this business illegally operating on public highways, showing no concern for safety of other drivers, pedestrians, kids, etc.
>
> Hit 'em where it hurts, in their wallet.
>
> Chris Norloff
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]
> >> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:33 PM
> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >> Subject: Lawncare truck
> >>
> >>
> >> Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch -
> >> full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a
> >wake
> >> of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get in
> >> front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence screaming
> >> at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.
> >>
> >> I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that
> >> owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck
> >> there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it
> >was
> >> very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.
> >>
> >> BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages
> >> listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be interested
> >> in hearing me complain.
> >>
> >>
> >> ___________________________________________
> >>      Mike Troutman
> >>           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
> >>
> >>          1997 Honda VFR 750
> >>          AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
> >>
> >>
> >
> >


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I remember a junker rustbucket 60's Mustang with a plate "Rustang"

==================================================


Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:45:29 -0500
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...
THe best one I ever saw was:

LBNACL

On a run-down junk of a car.





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Subject: RE: Re: fog city help  

Chuck, who has been accused of 'riding by braile', offered -

The other issue with Rain-X (both the anti-rain and anti-fog) is the
question of compatability with plastic.  I think they're pretty
explicit about it being a "glass product" and to consult the
manufacturer of any plastic product before using it (like you're
really going to be able to ask Arai, Shoei, AGV, etc. if it's OK to
use Rain-X on their visors!)  I've used Rain-X from time-to-time
without any problems.  But my understanding is that there might be an
issue with some sort of reaction with the plastic (I can't verify
this, just hearsay).


   <DJY>  I've heard the same thing, and not used rain x on my helmet 
shields because of it...  I *have* used s100 wax, which does a nice 
job of moving water & makes bug removal that much easier ;-)  Hey, 
when the bugs splatter at supra legal speeds, they're a little 
tougher to get off !
    

  Supposedly not a problem on a structurally sound
and intact visor, windscreen, etc.  But if your visor cracks (e.g.,
stone hitting it or impact from a crash), it just might shatter (or
the crack might really spider...

  <DJY>  I can contribute this little somewhat related cage gem...  I 
was cleaning the interior of my Cobra a few years ago, using 
(allegedly) safe for glass & plastic simple green.  It wasn't safe 
for plastic, & bollixed my clock pod & a corner of my gauge cluster 
shield.  The former was dulled & stained, the latter was barely 
visible.  I put in an aftermarket clock & an oil press. gauge for 
less than a replacement clock...      

Dave


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An instructor in Newport News had a custom tag on her cage, it was "Umbrella"
She only drove it in the rain.
True.


John.
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Sorry if this has been posted already, I'm digest-impaired.  

-Aaron
98 T509 Speed Triple (green, of course)
=============Original Message==================
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Subject: [PRC-VBMC] Bikes stolen in Leesburg

>Just a quick moment of your time please ladies and gents. Late saturday
>night/ early sunday morning some theiving bastards broke into the shop i
>work at, Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg, VA. and with the aid of a
>stolen Penske 24' truck made of with the following
>2x Suzuki RM125 2002 Motocross bikes, new and unassembled (they left the
>assy. bags)
>1x New Honda TRX500 ATV
>1x New Honda TRX400EX (sport model) ATV
>1x 2001 Honda CBR929RR Erion Racing sport bike (missing muffler, new rear
>tire)
>1x 1993 Honda CBR900RR sport bike with broken tinted windscreen
>1x 1997 Suzuki DR650 white/ purple enduro
>1x Suzuki RM125 2002, new and prepped
>and possibly more once we study the camera footage some more.
>If you need more info or have any info feel free to call us at the shop
>703-777-1652 or
>800-441-BIKE
>Thanks
>Dean Middleton
>
>
>


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Yes, avoid the PA Turnpike if at all possible.  Driving the PA Tnpk. is like
a trip to the Dentist.  "I can't believe I'm paying money for this."

Paul in DC
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From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>

>
>
> ROBERSON, Brian wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the off topic request...I'm getting ready to pack the family
> > up and take a trip out to the mid-west.  I have a question for some of
> > you frequent travelers.  Should I take 68 to 79 to 70, or 70 to 76 to
> > PA turnpike (continuing on I70) ... The difference only amounts to 6
> > miles in favor of the PA turnpike using Delorme, but I figured I would
> > ask the list if the PA turnpike is still a big mess? (and slow)
> >
> > Thanks for any advice!
> >
> > Brian
> > 99 VFR (R/R on order!)
>
> The PA turnpike bolws.  Take 68, a nice scenic highway.   I took that
> route on the way to MI on the scoot last fall.
>
> Bill
>


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How about whatever number/letter combination the semi-somnambulistic DMV
drone picks off the top of the pile of plates.  That works for me.  ;)

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F "MC484" - 86 VF500F "MT0250"

----- Original Message -----
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> Some of you guys' vanity tags are real head scratchers.  Mine is "SIXIST"
> (on my 6-cylinder Valkyrie).  Note the helpful hint for those who, like my
> wife,  think it was merely a spelling error, .
>
> I have some suggestions.  For the guy wanting budoka, if you get another
> letter on the tag, it could be spelled more accurately as "BUDOUKA" since
> the "O" is a long-O, but be forewarned, without the actual characters, a
> Japanese could possibly mistake it to mean "GRAPEIST"
>
> For the SQUID wannabe, most sushi eaters know it as "IKA"-- that might not
> be taken.  An English homonym is also cuddlefish, which has many
> possibilities for abbreviation to license plate size.
>
> Jim Caldwell
> Owings, MD
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> > From: "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX>
> > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Question about brakes...
> > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:44:43 -0500
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> > Hey all - I'm undertaking the 10K mile service on my H-D these next
couple
> > of weekends. I say next couple because (1) it takes a long time and (2)
I
> > can't really ride that much anyway whilst I battle this combination
> nagging
> > head cold/killer tooth ache. It's the drugs, man. They say not to
operate
> > heavy equipment, and my 800-lb. bike surely fits into that category.
> > Besides, it's a nice way to pass the weekend while it's still too cold
to
> > really putter around the yard, and doing the task myself saves me from
> > having to dump $400+ into the local stealership till.
> >
> > Anyway, my question - I got myself a Mity-Vac brake bleeder. I followed
> the
> > directions and bled the front brakes. Now they're... different. And I
> don't
> > have the years/miles to know if it's good different or bad different.
> >
> > Let's say for the sake of argument that my front brake lever has 3
inches
> of
> > travel. OK then, for the first 10K miles of my bike's life I would pull
on
> > the lever, and feel resistance begin at about the 3/8" to 5/8" point,
then
> > feel pretty steady (and increasing) feedback until a point about 1/4"
from
> > the throttle grip, where the lever would "stop". We'll say that point is
> > front wheel lock up. Well, now I don't get squat for feedback until
about
> 1"
> > or 1 1/4", but that's where the lever stops. It won't travel any further
> > toward the grip. I'll go from 5% feedback to 99% in that 1/16" area. It
> > feels like that point will be my new front wheel lockup point. I have
yet
> to
> > road test because I still have a few fluids to change and it is dark out
> > right now.
> >
> > When I got steel braided lines on my CBR, this is how the change in
brake
> > feel went as well (old system was progressive, after-system was full on
or
> > full off). I just had to get used to only having two braking situations,
> > full on or full off. Mind you I didn't mount the lines, I had Heyser in
> > Laurel do it. The new system performance didn't bother me, it was just
the
> > new way to ride.
> >
> > Well, this is my first personal foray into brake dynamics, and I was
> > wondering what kind of job I've done. I purposely didn't do the back
> brakes
> > until I find out if this is a properly set-up front brake system. I'll
> tell
> > you straight up that I liked the older style of more progressive
braking.
> > But if that was a bad set-up, and this is a good one, I'll stay where
I'm
> > at. If I'm wrong, then I need to find the way to get back to where I
was.
> >
> > Maybe it had something to do with the Mity-Vac? It was pulling a lot of
> air
> > bubbles through the tube, but I assumed it was air getting past the seal
> on
> > the bleeder, not continuing to exit the bleeder. (I need a set of those
> > after-market brake bleeding Zirk fittings with a check valve built right
> in.
> > Why don't bikes come with those standard?)
> >
> > What say you, list of knowledge? How are brakes supposed to feel? Or are
> all
> > systems different? Just wondering...
> >
> > Howard J. Koontz
> > 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For Sale)
> > "We're all here because we're not all there."
> >
> >
> >
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> > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:10:05 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Tight Squeeze Racing <tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: WTB: SV Race Bike
> > To: MicaPeak Race List <Race@XXXXXX>, List SV650
> <SV650@XXXXXX>,
> >    DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
> >    MARRC List <marrc-announce@XXXXXX>
> >
> > cmelgard@XXXXXX is located in the DC area and is looking to buy
> > a race prepped SV.  His name is Christian.
> >
> > **Please email him direct at cmelgard@XXXXXX **
> >
> > Steve Clark
> > Tight Squeeze Racing
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> > Reply-To: <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
> > From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
> > To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
> >    "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: RE: Question about brakes...
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:43:57 -0500
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> >
> > sounds like the mighty Mity Vac did it's job and got rid of all the air
in
> > your system...removing that pesky sponginess you got used to.
> >
> > In a perfect hydraulic system, you shouldn't be able to move the lever
at
> > all from pad contact (to the disk) to lock up.  As you pull on the
lever,
> > you increase pressure in the system...and since the pads "feel" that
> > pressure, they press against the disks.  You would modulate braking
force
> by
> > varying the force you apply to the lever...
> >
> > In reality, the pads move a finite distance, and all of the components
> > flex/expand under pressure, etc....so you can move the lever some.  In a
> > system with air in it, you also get to compress all those air bubbles,
> > giving you even more motion of the lever before you can get pressure
high
> > enough to lock the brakes.  Too much air, you run out of travel on the
> lever
> > before you are even slowing down.
> >
> > Bottom line: Welcome to the world of proper brake operation.
> >
> > --jon
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX]
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 8:45 PM
> > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > > Subject: Question about brakes...
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all - I'm undertaking the 10K mile service on my H-D these next
> couple
> > > of weekends. I say next couple because (1) it takes a long time and
(2)
> I
> > > can't really ride that much anyway whilst I battle this
> > > combination nagging
> > > head cold/killer tooth ache. It's the drugs, man. They say not to
> operate
> > > heavy equipment, and my 800-lb. bike surely fits into that category.
> > > Besides, it's a nice way to pass the weekend while it's still too cold
> to
> > > really putter around the yard, and doing the task myself saves me from
> > > having to dump $400+ into the local stealership till.
> > >
> > > Anyway, my question - I got myself a Mity-Vac brake bleeder. I
> > > followed the
> > > directions and bled the front brakes. Now they're... different.
> > > And I don't
> > > have the years/miles to know if it's good different or bad different.
> > >
> > > Let's say for the sake of argument that my front brake lever has
> > > 3 inches of
> > > travel. OK then, for the first 10K miles of my bike's life I would
pull
> on
> > > the lever, and feel resistance begin at about the 3/8" to 5/8" point,
> then
> > > feel pretty steady (and increasing) feedback until a point about 1/4"
> from
> > > the throttle grip, where the lever would "stop". We'll say that point
is
> > > front wheel lock up. Well, now I don't get squat for feedback
> > > until about 1"
> > > or 1 1/4", but that's where the lever stops. It won't travel any
further
> > > toward the grip. I'll go from 5% feedback to 99% in that 1/16" area.
It
> > > feels like that point will be my new front wheel lockup point. I
> > > have yet to
> > > road test because I still have a few fluids to change and it is dark
out
> > > right now.
> > >
> > > When I got steel braided lines on my CBR, this is how the change in
> brake
> > > feel went as well (old system was progressive, after-system was full
on
> or
> > > full off). I just had to get used to only having two braking
situations,
> > > full on or full off. Mind you I didn't mount the lines, I had Heyser
in
> > > Laurel do it. The new system performance didn't bother me, it was just
> the
> > > new way to ride.
> > >
> > > Well, this is my first personal foray into brake dynamics, and I was
> > > wondering what kind of job I've done. I purposely didn't do the
> > > back brakes
> > > until I find out if this is a properly set-up front brake system.
> > > I'll tell
> > > you straight up that I liked the older style of more progressive
> braking.
> > > But if that was a bad set-up, and this is a good one, I'll stay where
> I'm
> > > at. If I'm wrong, then I need to find the way to get back to where I
> was.
> > >
> > > Maybe it had something to do with the Mity-Vac? It was pulling a
> > > lot of air
> > > bubbles through the tube, but I assumed it was air getting past
> > > the seal on
> > > the bleeder, not continuing to exit the bleeder. (I need a set of
those
> > > after-market brake bleeding Zirk fittings with a check valve
> > > built right in.
> > > Why don't bikes come with those standard?)
> > >
> > > What say you, list of knowledge? How are brakes supposed to feel?
> > > Or are all
> > > systems different? Just wondering...
> > >
> > > Howard J. Koontz
> > > 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> > > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For Sale)
> > > "We're all here because we're not all there."
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > Reply-To: <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
> > From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
> > To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: RE: Question about brakes...
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:47:47 -0500
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> >
> > > sounds like the mighty Mity Vac did it's job and got rid of all the
air
> in
> >
> > its not it's
> >
> > My apologies to all of the English teachers out there.
> >
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> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:37:23 -0500
> > From: Robert Verde <c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/23/02 - BUDOKA
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX
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> >
> > Actually, I chose my vanity plate based on Budo, the Japanese Art of
War,
> and
> > the "ka" suffix denotes a practitioner, i.e., judoka = a person who
> practices
> > judo, and karateka = a karate specialist.  Since both of these
> alternatives were
> > either taken or too long, I chose the more generic Budoka.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I will lose the tag when I transfer registration to VA,
as
> it's
> > an Oregon plate and someone already has this one in VA.  8-(
> >
> > Checking out some alternatives on the VA DMV site; "18 WHL" for the 18"
> rear
> > wheel (probably think I'm a truck-driver) is still available, as is
> "SQUIDO".
> > =8->
> >
> > BTW, James, I certainly agree with your estimation of the suitability of
> > Boudicca as a good name for a bike!
> >
> > Robert
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:54:11 -0500
> > From: James Reazor <JReazor@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: RE: Brrr...
> > To: DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
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> >
> > Could it be an intentional mispelling of Boudicca? Good name for sport
> bike.
> >
> > -James
> > '00 SV650
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:16 PM
> > > To: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX
> > > Cc: DC Cycles List
> > > Subject: Re: Brrr...
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert Verde wrote in an earlier sig file:
> > >
> > > > '83 Honda VF750F (RC-15) "BUDOKA"
> > >
> > > So, what's a "Budoka" anyway?
> > >
> > > Hork
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)
> > >
> > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
> > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth
> > >
> > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
> > > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
> > > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress
> >
> >
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> > Subject: RE: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/23/02 - BUDOKA
> > Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
> > From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:00:10 -0500
> > To: "c-robert.verde@XXXXXX" <c-robert.verde@XXXXXX>,
> >    "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX
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> >
> > Does anyone have SKWID for a VA personalized plate?  I thought about
that
> one.  Too bad CALAMARI has too many letters for a m/c plate.
> >
> > Chuck
> > DGZBLX
> >
> > Original Message: <SNIP>
> >
> > Unfortunately, I will lose the tag when I transfer registration to VA,
as
> it's
> > an Oregon plate and someone already has this one in VA.  8-(
> >
> > Checking out some alternatives on the VA DMV site; "18 WHL" for the 18"
> rear
> > wheel (probably think I'm a truck-driver) is still available, as is
> "SQUIDO".
> > =8->
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> > http://mail2web.com/ .
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> > From: "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@XXXXXX>
> > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Personalized Tags in MD
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:29:54 -0500
> >
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> >
> > Let me just say, I haven't done any research on this, but figured
somebody
> > here HAS!! Does anyone know the cost for personalized motorcycle tags in
> MD?
> > Can you purchase these online through MD MVA or do you have to go into
one
> > of the main offices?  I've thrown around the idea of getting one.. But
> > haven't made the decision!
> >
> > Thanks for any info.
> >
> > Brian
> > 99VFR
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> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Let me just say, I haven't done any research on this,
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> > decision!</FONT></P>
> >
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks for any info.</FONT>
> > </P>
> >
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
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> > From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:36:58 -0500
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> > Personalized Tags in MDMy tags (VA)
> >
> > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg
> >
> > http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/plate-7.jpg
> >
> > http://www.fj1100.com/fj_gallery/Fj046.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd be interested to hear what others have?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
> >
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> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
> >
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> > hadow/plate-7.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
> >
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> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'd be interested to hear what
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> > have?</FONT></DIV>
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> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:41:29 -0800 (PST)
> > From: stephen cutchins <stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: Question about brakes...- MityVac
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >
> > I have found that my MityVac is great for replacing
> > brake fluid but terrible for bleeding brakes.
> >
> > To replace fluid, have one person pump the vac while
> > another person adds fluid to the master cylinder as it
> > gets low.  When the fluid runs clear into the vac then
> > you're done.  The MityVac is great for this.
> >
> > To bleed brakes, the best way is to do the old pump
> > the lever, hold, crack bleeder bolt, repeat procedure.
> >  It really does work the best.  Do this a half dozen
> > times or so and your brakes should be fine.
> >
> > --- "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > > Hey all - I'm undertaking the 10K mile service on my
> > > H-D these next couple
> > > of weekends. I say next couple because (1) it takes
> > > a long time and (2) I
> > > can't really ride that much anyway whilst I battle
> > > this combination nagging
> > > head cold/killer tooth ache. It's the drugs, man.
> > > They say not to operate
> > > heavy equipment, and my 800-lb. bike surely fits
> > > into that category.
> > > Besides, it's a nice way to pass the weekend while
> > > it's still too cold to
> > > really putter around the yard, and doing the task
> > > myself saves me from
> > > having to dump $400+ into the local stealership
> > > till.
> > >
> > > Anyway, my question - I got myself a Mity-Vac brake
> > > bleeder. I followed the
> > > directions and bled the front brakes. Now they're...
> > > different. And I don't
> > > have the years/miles to know if it's good different
> > > or bad different.
> > >
> > > Let's say for the sake of argument that my front
> > > brake lever has 3 inches of
> > > travel. OK then, for the first 10K miles of my
> > > bike's life I would pull on
> > > the lever, and feel resistance begin at about the
> > > 3/8" to 5/8" point, then
> > > feel pretty steady (and increasing) feedback until a
> > > point about 1/4" from
> > > the throttle grip, where the lever would "stop".
> > > We'll say that point is
> > > front wheel lock up. Well, now I don't get squat for
> > > feedback until about 1"
> > > or 1 1/4", but that's where the lever stops. It
> > > won't travel any further
> > > toward the grip. I'll go from 5% feedback to 99% in
> > > that 1/16" area. It
> > > feels like that point will be my new front wheel
> > > lockup point. I have yet to
> > > road test because I still have a few fluids to
> > > change and it is dark out
> > > right now.
> > >
> > > When I got steel braided lines on my CBR, this is
> > > how the change in brake
> > > feel went as well (old system was progressive,
> > > after-system was full on or
> > > full off). I just had to get used to only having two
> > > braking situations,
> > > full on or full off. Mind you I didn't mount the
> > > lines, I had Heyser in
> > > Laurel do it. The new system performance didn't
> > > bother me, it was just the
> > > new way to ride.
> > >
> > > Well, this is my first personal foray into brake
> > > dynamics, and I was
> > > wondering what kind of job I've done. I purposely
> > > didn't do the back brakes
> > > until I find out if this is a properly set-up front
> > > brake system. I'll tell
> > > you straight up that I liked the older style of more
> > > progressive braking.
> > > But if that was a bad set-up, and this is a good
> > > one, I'll stay where I'm
> > > at. If I'm wrong, then I need to find the way to get
> > > back to where I was.
> > >
> > > Maybe it had something to do with the Mity-Vac? It
> > > was pulling a lot of air
> > > bubbles through the tube, but I assumed it was air
> > > getting past the seal on
> > > the bleeder, not continuing to exit the bleeder. (I
> > > need a set of those
> > > after-market brake bleeding Zirk fittings with a
> > > check valve built right in.
> > > Why don't bikes come with those standard?)
> > >
> > > What say you, list of knowledge? How are brakes
> > > supposed to feel? Or are all
> > > systems different? Just wondering...
> > >
> > > Howard J. Koontz
> > > 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> > > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For
> > > Sale)
> > > "We're all here because we're not all there."
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards^[$B%g^[(B
> > http://movies.yahoo.com/
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> > From: "Genna Melamed" <genna@XXXXXX>
> > To: "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:47:31 -0500
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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> > Personalized Tags in MD$43.50 2 years(for MC)
> >
> > Currently you cannot get these online(you can only re-register them).  =
> > However, I will soon be working on that application.  MVA is about to =
> > give a contract to our company to develop vanity registration online.  =
> > That will be me mostly :)
> >
> > I couldn't help but putting some personal advertisement there.
> >
> > And no, I don't work at of for MVA.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Genna Melamed
> > Please note that my email is changing to=20
> > genna@XXXXXX
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----=20
> >   From: ROBERSON, Brian=20
> >   To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'=20
> >   Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:29 AM
> >   Subject: Personalized Tags in MD
> >
> >
> >   Let me just say, I haven't done any research on this, but figured =
> > somebody here HAS!! Does anyone know the cost for personalized =
> > motorcycle tags in MD?  Can you purchase these online through MD MVA or
=
> > do you have to go into one of the main offices?  I've thrown around the
=
> > idea of getting one.. But haven't made the decision!
> >
> >   Thanks for any info.=20
> >
> >   Brian=20
> >   99VFR=20
> >
> >
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> > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> > <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Personalized Tags in MD</TITLE>
> > <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
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> > <STYLE></STYLE>
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> > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$43.50 2 years(for MC)</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Currently you cannot get these =
> > online(you can only=20
> > re-register them).&nbsp; However, I will soon be working on that=20
> > application.&nbsp; MVA is about to give a contract to our company to =
> > develop=20
> > vanity registration online.&nbsp; That will be me mostly :)</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I couldn't help but putting some =
> > personal=20
> > advertisement there.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And no, I don't work at of for =
> > MVA.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> >
<DIV>----------------------------------------------------------------<BR>=
> > Genna=20
> > Melamed<BR>Please note that my email is changing to <BR><A=20
> >
href=3D"mailto:genna@XXXXXX">genna@XXXXXX</A><BR>--------------=
> > --------------------------------------------------</DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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> >   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> >   <DIV=20
> >   style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> > black"><B>From:</B>=20
> >   <A title=3Dbroberso@XXXXXX href=3D"mailto:broberso@XXXXXX">ROBERSON,
=
> > Brian</A>=20
> >   </DIV>
> >   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> > title=3Ddc-cycles@XXXXXX=20
> >   =
> > href=3D"mailto:'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'">'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'</A>
=
> > </DIV>
> >   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 25, 2002 =
> > 11:29=20
> >   AM</DIV>
> >   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Personalized Tags in =
> > MD</DIV>
> >   <DIV><BR></DIV>
> >   <P><FONT size=3D2>Let me just say, I haven't done any research on =
> > this, but=20
> >   figured somebody here HAS!! Does anyone know the cost for personalized
=
> >
> >   motorcycle tags in MD?&nbsp; Can you purchase these online through MD
=
> > MVA or=20
> >   do you have to go into one of the main offices?&nbsp; I've thrown =
> > around the=20
> >   idea of getting one.. But haven't made the decision!</FONT></P>
> >   <P><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for any info.</FONT> </P>
> >   <P><FONT size=3D2>Brian</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>99VFR</FONT>=20
> > </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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> > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:49:11 -0500
> > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > From: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD
> >
> > Apparently, all your plates are bad ;-)
> >
> > The dccycles website has a list of our personalized plates.  Those that
> > contributed anyway.
> >
> > I'm going for a lunchtime ride through Reston.  Woo Hoo!
> >
> > At 11:36 AM 3/25/2002, Gary Foreman wrote:
> > >My tags (VA)
> > >
> >
>
><http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg>http://www.gwfweb.com/cyc
> les/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg
> > >
> > >http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/plate-7.jpg
> > >
> >
>
><http://www.fj1100.com/fj_gallery/Fj046.jpg>http://www.fj1100.com/fj_galler
> y/Fj046.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I'd be interested to hear what others have?
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >___________________________________________
> > >
> > >     Mike Troutman
> > >         http://www.troutman.org
> >
> >
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> >
> > From: "Lantech (DCOP)" <lantech.cwd@XXXXXX>
> > To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Law Ride May 11-12
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:51:50 -0500
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I know it's a ways away but you know how time flies!!! Anyway, the 2002
> > Police Week activities are being planned and the Law Ride is one of my
> > favorite rides to do.  So I wanted to share!
> >
> > May 12 (Sunday) is the Law Ride, which is a procession from RFK to the
Law
> > Enforcement Memorial in honor of all cops killed in the line of duty
last
> > year. There is a wreath-laying ceremony at the end of the ride along
with
> > places to buy a burger or a beer or some cop paraphenalia.    It's a
> pretty
> > big group; many thousand. Not too bad for a ride started by a couple of
> cops
> > and about 100 bikes in 1996!
> > There is no fee for the ride but you are encouraged to buy something at
> the
> > end, a t-shirt or beer or something, to help cover the costs associated
> with
> > the ride.
> >
> > May 11 (Saturday) is a Dice Run, not sure of the route (it has not been
> > published yet) but the fee is $10 per card.  Proceeds to go to the
> National
> > Law Enforcement Officers' Memorial Fund, which pays for maintaining the
> > memorial and adding names to it annually. Starts in Falls Church.
> >
> > The web site with more information is: http://www.lawride.com/
> >
> > I think both events are good fun, and there's not too many causes more
> > worthy than the Law Enforcement Memorial, especially this year.  If
anyone
> > needs more details feel free to contact me, and hopefully some listers
> will
> > turn out for that ride!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Patti
> >
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> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:02:51 -0500 (EST)
> > From: "Daniel H. Brown" <brown@XXXXXX>
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> > Content-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1020325120025.8106E@XXXXXX>
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> >
> >
> > I have Virginia "devvfr" which makes more sense if you know that I also
> > have "devcar" and that I do unix systems admin.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Gary Foreman wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:36:58 -0500
> > > From: Gary Foreman <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD
> > >
> > > Personalized Tags in MDMy tags (VA)
> > >
> > > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/plate-7.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.fj1100.com/fj_gallery/Fj046.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd be interested to hear what others have?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Dan Brown
> > brown@XXXXXX
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> > From: "Diep, Tuan (Washington)" <Tuan.Diep@XXXXXX>
> > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: need a cover
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:22:00 -0500
> >
> > Where is the best place online to get an all-weather cover?
> > THanks
> >
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> > From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: Question about brakes...- MityVac
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:31:04 -0500
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> >
> > You can do without the Mity-Vac with a speed-bleeder and you don't even
> need
> > a helper.  Attach a piece of rubber tubing to the speed-bleeder, open
the
> > speed-bleeder, open the reservoir and start pumping the lever, topping
off
> > with new fluid as the level drops.  When the old brown cruddy fluid runs
> > clear, close the speed-bleeder and you're done.  Since the circuit is
> > pressurized, the old fluid will automatically be forced out of the
system
> > through the one-way speed-bleeder valve.  You can even open up both
> calipers
> > on the front with the speed-bleeders and do *both* front brakes at the
> same
> > time.
> >
> >
> > Paul in DC
> > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
> > www.wilsonline.org
> > Join the VFR750 list >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "stephen cutchins" <stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX>
> >
> > > I have found that my MityVac is great for replacing
> > > brake fluid but terrible for bleeding brakes.
> > >
> > > To replace fluid, have one person pump the vac while
> > > another person adds fluid to the master cylinder as it
> > > gets low.  When the fluid runs clear into the vac then
> > > you're done.  The MityVac is great for this.
> > >
> > > To bleed brakes, the best way is to do the old pump
> > > the lever, hold, crack bleeder bolt, repeat procedure.
> > >  It really does work the best.  Do this a half dozen
> > > times or so and your brakes should be fine.
> >
> >
> >
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> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:12:24 -0800 (PST)
> > From: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >
> > THe best one I ever saw was:
> >
> > LBNACL
> >
> > On a run-down junk of a car. I reregistered my Triumph Trident/Speed3
> > today as "3TRUBL" now that it's back on the road... Hmm, if I run
> > around town on expired tags pending the shipment from the DMV (3
> > weeks), what do I tell occifer friendly if I get yanked?
> >
> >
> > Spoiler Alert!! (scroll down to see what it works out to)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > lb NaCl (pound salt)
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards^[$B%g^[(B
> > http://movies.yahoo.com/
> >
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> > Reply-To: <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
> > From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
> > To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: RE: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:22:45 -0500
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> > IM L8 2 on a white VW Rabbit....
> >
> > --jon
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:12 PM
> > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> > >
> > >
> > > THe best one I ever saw was:
> > >
> > > LBNACL
> > >
> > > On a run-down junk of a car. I reregistered my Triumph Trident/Speed3
> > > today as "3TRUBL" now that it's back on the road... Hmm, if I run
> > > around town on expired tags pending the shipment from the DMV (3
> > > weeks), what do I tell occifer friendly if I get yanked?
> > >
> > >
> > > Spoiler Alert!! (scroll down to see what it works out to)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > lb NaCl (pound salt)
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards.
> > > http://movies.yahoo.com/
> > >
> >
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> > From: "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@XXXXXX>
> > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: VFR R/R - HOM order -- Tire @ CAD Cycles -- AZ Motorsports
order
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:26:03 -0500
> >
> > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not
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> > Thanks to Mike Troutman for reminding me about Honda of Milpitas for my
> > busted Regulator/Rectifier. Mentioning the VFR List gets you a good
> discount
> > and the shipping is FedEx.  The total for the R/R came to $131 which
> > included shipping.
> >
> > It looks like my battery went bad, and in turn roasted the R/R. The
> > alternator is putting out 65volts @5000rpm over the 3 phases.  I checked
> the
> > other connecters including the grounding wires and everything appears
OK.
> I
> > am hoping the combination of the new battery and new R/R will get me
back
> on
> > the road!
> >
> > On another note, I wanted to give a shout out to Cycle Accessory
> Discounters
> > in Gaithersburg. I was pleasantly surprised to walk in with a new tire
and
> > my old rim and have it completed in 10 minutes.  The guys (david y and
> other
> > mechanics) are very pleasant to deal with.  The mount and balance cost
me
> > $15 -- extremely reasonable.
> >
> > Also, I recently ordered: BT010 front, BT020 rear, GIVI hard bag and
> > mounting kit from Arizona Motorsports (if you own a VFR mention the VFR
> list
> > for 10% discount).  Everything came in when they said it would.  Nothing
> was
> > busted or broken.  Very nice outfit to deal with.
> >
> > Brian
> > 99 VFR -> on the road to recovery
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks to Mike Troutman for reminding me about Honda =
> > of Milpitas for my busted Regulator/Rectifier. Mentioning the VFR List =
> > gets you a good discount and the shipping is FedEx.&nbsp; The total for
=
> > the R/R came to $131 which included shipping.&nbsp; </FONT></P>
> >
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It looks like my battery went bad, and in turn =
> > roasted the R/R. The alternator is putting out 65volts @5000rpm over =
> > the 3 phases.&nbsp; I checked the other connecters including the =
> > grounding wires and everything appears OK.&nbsp; I am hoping the =
> > combination of the new battery and new R/R will get me back on the =
> > road!</FONT></P>
> >
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On another note, I wanted to give a shout out to =
> > Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg. I was pleasantly surprised
=
> > to walk in with a new tire and my old rim and have it completed in 10 =
> > minutes.&nbsp; The guys (david y and other mechanics) are very pleasant
=
> > to deal with.&nbsp; The mount and balance cost me $15 -- extremely =
> > reasonable.</FONT></P>
> >
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Also, I recently ordered: BT010 front, BT020 rear, =
> > GIVI hard bag and mounting kit from Arizona Motorsports (if you own a =
> > VFR mention the VFR list for 10% discount).&nbsp; Everything came in =
> > when they said it would.&nbsp; Nothing was busted or broken.&nbsp; Very
=
> > nice outfit to deal with.</FONT></P>
> >
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>99 VFR -&gt; on the road to recovery</FONT>
> > </P>
> > <BR>
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> > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:33:18 -0500
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > From: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Lawncare truck
> >
> > Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch -
> > full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a
> wake
> > of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get
in
> > front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence
screaming
> > at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.
> >
> > I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that
> > owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck
> > there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it
> was
> > very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.
> >
> > BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages
> > listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be
interested
> > in hearing me complain.
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________
> >      Mike Troutman
> >           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
> >
> >          1997 Honda VFR 750
> >          AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
> >
> >
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > From: Gaske David G DLVA <GaskeDG@XXXXXX>
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: RE: Lawncare truck
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:40:51 -0500
> >
> > Post the number.  We can all call and show our displeasure with his
> dumping
> > material in front of a fellow cyclist.  After a few dozen call he might
> > consider covering his load.
> >
> > David "Lost Dawg" Gaske
> > 2000 Sprint RS  <-- in the Faster Yellow Color
> > Fredericksburg, Va.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:33 PM
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: Lawncare truck
> >
> >
> > Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at lunch -
> > full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a
> wake
> > of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get
in
> > front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence
screaming
> > at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.
> >
> > I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business that
> > owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck
> > there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but it
> was
> > very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.
> >
> > BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages
> > listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be
interested
> > in hearing me complain.
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________
> >      Mike Troutman
> >           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
> >
> >          1997 Honda VFR 750
> >          AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
> >
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:45:29 -0500
> > From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags
> >
> > ...
> > THe best one I ever saw was:
> >
> > LBNACL
> >
> > On a run-down junk of a car.
> >
> >
> >    <DJY>  hmm....  Sounds like 'radio' Mike, a guy that shoots with
> > us Fridays...  small world...
> >
> > Typically, I've avoided specialized plates since hearing from several
> > sources that cops aren't particularly fond of cutesy sayings on your
> > tags...  And I'm not particularly fond of giving the state any more
> > money than necessary.  Nevertheless, I sprung for Veteran plates a
> > couple of weeks back...  Wouldn't you know, they don't make them for
> > bikes <GRRR!>
> >
> > Dave
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts!
> > Sign Up Now!  Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal
> >
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:59:30 -0500 (EST)
> > From: JD <jdonovan@XXXXXX>
> > To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: RE: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> >
> >
> >
> > SI 2 AU
> >
> > On a porsche 911 in the SF bay area.
> >
> > -jd
> >
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" <ersilberg@XXXXXX>
> > From: "Eric Silberg" <silbergej@XXXXXX>
> > To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:21:21 -0500
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> >
> > Hate to add to the off topic banter...well, I guess I don't hate it that
> > much...
> >
> > 1DIV0
> >
> > on an Infinity
> >
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:06:36 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Adam Reinhardt <ajreinhardt@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: CBR Fan Problem
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >
> >   My 1989 CBR 600F is running hot, with the needle
> > flirting dangerously close the red H. It seems that
> > the fan has stopped funtioning. Any ideas for a simple
> > fix before I drain the coolant and pull the radiator?
> > I feel like maybe there is a problem with the
> > electrical connection that powers the fan.
> >
> >
> > Adam Reinhardt
> > 89 CBR 600F
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards^[$B%g^[(B
> > http://movies.yahoo.com/
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: Lawncare truck
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:09:53 -0500
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600
> >
> > A lot of these lawn care companies are fly-by-night gray market
> operations,
> > so I wouldn't expect to get much satisfaction.  I do make it a policy to
> > make mental notes about company drivers from more reputable businesses
> > mis-behaving on the roads.  On a few occasions I've made a polite call,
> > saying "I observed truck/van number such and such driving recklessly at
> such
> > and such time and it reflects poorly on your organization.  If I were a
> > potential customer, I would have second thoughts about patronizing your
> > business."  I hope my complaint gets passed down to the guilty party
with
> an
> > appropriate kick in the ass.  I did it once with a refrigerated delivery
> > truck that was idling outside our house from 5AM until 7AM to make a
> > delivery at a grocery store.  I had words with the driver who was very
> rude
> > and refused to move or shut off his engine.  He was, in fact, asleep
when
> I
> > confronted him.  I called the number on the truck and asked to speak to
> the
> > truck dispatcher after it happened a second time.  After I made the
call,
> > it's not happened again, nor have I seen that driver again from this
> > particular distributor servicing the business on our street.  Yours may
be
> > the complaint that finally gets the a-hole fired.
> >
> > Paul in DC
> > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gaske David G DLVA" <GaskeDG@XXXXXX>
> > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:40 PM
> > Subject: RE: Lawncare truck
> >
> >
> > > Post the number.  We can all call and show our displeasure with his
> > dumping
> > > material in front of a fellow cyclist.  After a few dozen call he
might
> > > consider covering his load.
> > >
> > > David "Lost Dawg" Gaske
> > > 2000 Sprint RS  <-- in the Faster Yellow Color
> > > Fredericksburg, Va.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:33 PM
> > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > > Subject: Lawncare truck
> > >
> > >
> > > Behind "Peter's Landscape" truck on Baron Cameron in Herndon at
lunch -
> > > full to the brim with cuttings, uncovered, going 15 over and leaving a
> > wake
> > > of dead wood behind him.  Several items hit me (nothing major).  I get
> in
> > > front of him at a light, park the bike, and go back to commence
> screaming
> > > at him to cover his load.  He says nothing and leaves.
> > >
> > > I have already called Fairfax County police as well as the business
that
> > > owns the truck.  Looks like I was yelling at Peter himself, so no luck
> > > there.  Any other steps I can take?  There was no property loss, but
it
> > was
> > > very much a nuisance - especially for a motorcycle.
> > >
> > > BTW - I used the BBB to find the guy's phone number.  No Yellow Pages
> > > listing, but 2 complaints at BBB.  I don't think they would be
> interested
> > > in hearing me complain.
> > >
> > >
> > > ___________________________________________
> > >      Mike Troutman
> > >           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
> > >
> > >          1997 Honda VFR 750
> > >          AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > From: "Dan Matz" <dmatz@XXXXXX>
> > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/23/02 - BUDOKA
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:34:23 -0500
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have SKWID for a VA personalized plate?  I thought about
that
> > one.  Too bad CALAMARI has too many letters for a m/c plate.
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> > My friend Tim (Current ride - VFR back seat when he offers enough money)
> has
> > decided that his tag for his bike (should be getting it any year now)
will
> > read PNKYPWR  (Punky Power)
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > X-Originating-IP: [68.48.115.16]
> > From: "Rob Keiser" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: Re: CBR Fan Problem
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:23:43 -0500
> > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2002 22:23:43.0995 (UTC)
> FILETIME=[B95314B0:01C1D44B]
> >
> > I don't know much about the connectors, but one thing to rule out first
is
> > any obstruction to the fan blades themselves.  I remember reading a post
> on
> > the VFR list about a small branch had somehow gotten lodged in there
> keeping
> > the fan from turning.  Could be a quick fix.
> >
> > Just an idea.
> >
> > Rob
> > '98 VFR800
> >
> >
> > From: Adam Reinhardt <ajreinhardt@XXXXXX>
> > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > Subject: CBR Fan Problem
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:06:36 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >    My 1989 CBR 600F is running hot, with the needle
> > flirting dangerously close the red H. It seems that
> > the fan has stopped funtioning. Any ideas for a simple
> > fix before I drain the coolant and pull the radiator?
> > I feel like maybe there is a problem with the
> > electrical connection that powers the fan.
> >
> >
> > Adam Reinhardt
> > 89 CBR 600F
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards^[$B%g^[(B
> > http://movies.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
> >
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > From: "Dan Matz" <dmatz@XXXXXX>
> > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: CBR Fan Problem
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:45:16 -0500
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> >
> > You want to check the fuses first (of course, if you've done this
already,
> > good job! :))
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Reinhardt" <ajreinhardt@XXXXXX>
> > To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:06 PM
> > Subject: CBR Fan Problem
> >
> >
> > >   My 1989 CBR 600F is running hot, with the needle
> > > flirting dangerously close the red H. It seems that
> > > the fan has stopped funtioning. Any ideas for a simple
> > > fix before I drain the coolant and pull the radiator?
> > > I feel like maybe there is a problem with the
> > > electrical connection that powers the fan.
> > >
> > >
> > > Adam Reinhardt
> > > 89 CBR 600F
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:12:00 -0500
> > To: "Daniel H. Brown" <brown@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > From: Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> >
> > At 12:02 PM 3/25/2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote:
> >
> > >I have Virginia "devvfr" which makes more sense if you know that I also
> > >have "devcar" and that I do unix systems admin.
> >
> > Well, for the older computer folk, my brother's Valkyrie has "IPL" and
his
> > wife's Magna has "RE-IPL"
> >
> > My Falco has "BRAAAP", 919 has "LAVER", and the Interceptor has
> > "TILDEN"  (was "VF500").
> >
> > Miata has "SNGL MLT", Honda has "SRVEMUP".
> >
> > -- Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >           _                  _                  _                  _
> >      .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.          .-.-.=\-.
> >      (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)          (_)=='(_)
> >
> > X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX
> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:13:52 -0500
> > To: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> > From: Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>
> > Subject: Re: Personalized Tags in MD (well... va, actually)
> >
> > At 01:12 PM 3/25/2002, matthew patton wrote:
> > >THe best one I ever saw was:
> > >
> > >LBNACL
> > >
> > >On a run-down junk of a car.
> >
> >
> > Best -- and worst -- one I've ever seen was on a new 'vette at the
> > Pentagon: "TWTLVR".
> >
> > -- Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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Thanks guys!! That seals it!

Brian

-----Original Message-----
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To: William J. Huson; ROBERSON, Brian
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: OT: Trip out to Mid-West in Cage


Yes, avoid the PA Turnpike if at all possible.  Driving the PA Tnpk. is like
a trip to the Dentist.  "I can't believe I'm paying money for this."

Paul in DC
----- Original Message -----
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>

>
>
> ROBERSON, Brian wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the off topic request...I'm getting ready to pack the 
> > family up and take a trip out to the mid-west.  I have a question 
> > for some of you frequent travelers.  Should I take 68 to 79 to 70, 
> > or 70 to 76 to PA turnpike (continuing on I70) ... The difference 
> > only amounts to 6 miles in favor of the PA turnpike using Delorme, 
> > but I figured I would ask the list if the PA turnpike is still a big 
> > mess? (and slow)
> >
> > Thanks for any advice!
> >
> > Brian
> > 99 VFR (R/R on order!)
>
> The PA turnpike bolws.  Take 68, a nice scenic highway.   I took that
> route on the way to MI on the scoot last fall.
>
> Bill
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks guys!! That seals it!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:02 AM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yes, avoid the PA Turnpike if at all possible.&nbsp; =
Driving the PA Tnpk. is like a trip to the Dentist.&nbsp; &quot;I can't =
believe I'm paying money for this.&quot;</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Paul in DC</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: &quot;William J. Huson&quot; =
&lt;bhuson@XXXXXX&gt;</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; ROBERSON, Brian wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Sorry for the off topic request...I'm =
getting ready to pack the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; family up and take a trip out to the =
mid-west.&nbsp; I have a question </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; for some of you frequent travelers.&nbsp; =
Should I take 68 to 79 to 70, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; or 70 to 76 to PA turnpike (continuing on =
I70) ... The difference </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; only amounts to 6 miles in favor of the PA =
turnpike using Delorme, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; but I figured I would ask the list if the =
PA turnpike is still a big </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; mess? (and slow)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Thanks for any advice!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Brian</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; 99 VFR (R/R on order!)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; The PA turnpike bolws.&nbsp; Take 68, a nice =
scenic highway.&nbsp;&nbsp; I took that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; route on the way to MI on the scoot last =
fall.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Bill</FONT>
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My opinion is that license plates should not be used for sloganeering or
witticisms or cutesy messages or to announce your affinity with any group.
That goes for state-sponsored tourism messages and "Taxation without
Representation" "Live Free or Die" too.  Perhaps we need number plates that
stay with the vehicle for the duration, as they have in the UK.

Paul in DC

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Subject: personalized tags & taxes


> I don't have personalized tags, don't even have special issue plates,
> just plain old tags.
>
> My question is, how many of you bitch and moan about taxes, which
> despite waste do contribute to the general good, but are perfectly
> willing to cough up extra tax/tag money for personalized tags which is
> nothing more than an ego trip?
>
> Bill
>
>


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In a message dated 3/26/2002 9:28:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jimcald@XXXXXX writes:

> cuddlefish

Cuttlefish

I do not even want to think about what you said.

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Hey Paul, it's a free country so we can put whatever the f--k we want on our personalized, witty vanity plates! %^)  I don't need you or the govt telling me I can't.  If you don't like it, go live in the UK with all the other wankers and tossers, you twat! %^)

My suggestion for YOUR m/c plate is: MSF SUX.

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From: Paul Wilson pawilson@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:24:03 -0500
To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: personalized tags & taxes


My opinion is that license plates should not be used for sloganeering or
witticisms or cutesy messages or to announce your affinity with any group.
That goes for state-sponsored tourism messages and "Taxation without
Representation" "Live Free or Die" too.  Perhaps we need number plates that
stay with the vehicle for the duration, as they have in the UK.

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I feel really lucky right now. I just picked up my
Superhawk from them on Saturday morning after having
it there for about a month. I got it just in time I
guess.

I still have an engine and some brake discs sitting
there waiting for me to pick them up - I wonder if
they were stolen too? I doubt it - the thieves seemed
to be after complete bikes.

Chris

--- Sean jordan <Sean.Jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
>  From a post on the WERA BBS.
> 
> > Loudon Motorsports (of WERA Endurance fame) was
> broken into over the 
> > weekend. Dean Middleton asked me to post the
> details:
> >
> > ===============
> > Just a quick moment of your time please ladies and
> gents. Late Sunday 
> > night/ early Monday morning some theiving bastards
> broke into the shop 
> > i work at, Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg, VA.
> and with the aid of a 
> > stolen Penske 24' truck (which was stolen from
> behind us) made off with 
> > the following
> > 2x Suzuki RM125 2002 Motocross bikes, new and
> unassembled (they left 
> > the assy. bags)
> > 1x New Honda TRX500 ATV
> > 1x New Honda TRX400EX (sport model) ATV
> > 1x 2001 Honda CBR929RR Erion Racing sport bike
> (missing muffler, new 
> > rear tire)
> > 1x 1993 Honda CBR900RR sport bike with broken
> tinted windscreen
> > 1x 1997 Suzuki DR650 white/ purple enduro
> > 1x Suzuki RM125 2002, new and prepped
> > and possibly more once we study the camera footage
> some more.
> > If you need more info or have any info feel free
> to call us at the shop
> > 703-777-1652 or
> > 800-441-BIKE
> > Thanks
> > Dean Middleton
> > ===============
> >
> > Customer bikes (in for repair) were also taken.
> Rumor has it that this 
> > has happened to other dealers in the area.
> >
> > Greg, the owner of Loudon, is a great guy who puts
> a lot back into this 
> > sport. Please give them a call if you hear
> anything.
> >
> > Jim
> > AoD
> 
> Anyone have their bike up at Loudoun for service?!?!
> 
> Sean Jordan
> Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
> 


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Say Bill, I bet you'd be a fan of the glasses from the Hitchhiker's Guide to
the Galaxy that would go completely opaque at the first sign of danger...

LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
http://www.customtankbags.com

William J. Huson said:
I don't use anything.  Fog is good. Hey, there's a lotta nutz out there, and
clear vision scares the hell outta me!

Bill
always a bit foggy anyway...


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Hold on, is it truly "free expression" when your plate selection has to be
vetted by a board of DMV bureaucrats for tastefulness?  Why should the
government's means of identifying vehicle be construed as "personal
expression"?  Bizarre if you ask me.  I suggest you put FOP SUX on your
bike and then go for a high-speed ride through PG County!  #:)

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F

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Hey Paul, it's a free country so we can put whatever the f--k we want on our
personalized, witty vanity plates! %^)  I don't need you or the govt telling
me I can't.  If you don't like it, go live in the UK with all the other
wankers and tossers, you twat! %^)

My suggestion for YOUR m/c plate is: MSF SUX.

Original Message:
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From: Paul Wilson pawilson@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:24:03 -0500
To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: personalized tags & taxes


My opinion is that license plates should not be used for sloganeering or
witticisms or cutesy messages or to announce your affinity with any group.
That goes for state-sponsored tourism messages and "Taxation without
Representation" "Live Free or Die" too.  Perhaps we need number plates that
stay with the vehicle for the duration, as they have in the UK.

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Ok, while we're talking up Rain-X. I have a bottle that any of you guys
can have for the taking. I found it absolutely MISERABLE on my face
shields. It smeered and fogged and flat-out reduced my visibility to
squat. In cold weather and rain the only effective anti-fog I've found
is a Fog City. I quickly got used to the star-bursts but it really
isn't that big of a deal.

Rain-X may work on glass, I don't know nor do I really care to find
out.


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At 11:20 AM 3/26/2002, matthew patton wrote:

>Rain-X may work on glass, I don't know nor do I really care to find
>out.


Use it on the cage windshield -- the outside. It's great stuff.

-- Larry







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Larry Larson wrote:

> At 11:20 AM 3/26/2002, matthew patton wrote:
>
> >Rain-X may work on glass, I don't know nor do I really care to find
> >out.
>
> Use it on the cage windshield -- the outside. It's great stuff.
>
> -- Larry

I have these really cool gizmos on my cages to clear rain.  I think they
call them windshield wipers.  Gotta nice beat *thwop thwop thwop* easy
to dance to.

Bill


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At 12:01 PM 3/26/2002, William J. Huson wrote:

>Larry Larson wrote:
>
> > At 11:20 AM 3/26/2002, matthew patton wrote:
> >
> > >Rain-X may work on glass, I don't know nor do I really care to find
> > >out.
> >
> > Use it on the cage windshield -- the outside. It's great stuff.
>
>I have these really cool gizmos on my cages to clear rain.  I think they
>call them windshield wipers.  Gotta nice beat *thwop thwop thwop* easy
>to dance to.

Yeah, but what score do you give them? (Cue Dee Clark's "Raindrops", the 
Cascades "Rhythm of the Rain", etc.)

Actually, Rain-Z is terrific for those intermittent wiper situations -- the 
water seldom streaks, and you often don't need the wipers at all, 
especially at highway speed (why a lot of SCCA racers use it on their race 
cars). It also makes it a lot easier to clean the windshield of epoxy-like 
bird poop, etc.

(No commercial interest blah blah blah, just a long-time user).

-- Larry








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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Larry Larson <pltrgyst@XXXXXX>

>At 12:01 PM 3/26/2002, William J. Huson wrote:
>>I have these really cool gizmos on my cages to clear rain.  I think they
>>call them windshield wipers.  Gotta nice beat *thwop thwop thwop* easy
>>to dance to.
>
>Yeah, but what score do you give them? (Cue Dee Clark's "Raindrops", the 
>Cascades "Rhythm of the Rain", etc.)
>
>Actually, Rain-Z is terrific for those intermittent wiper situations -- the 
>water seldom streaks, and you often don't need the wipers at all, 
>especially at highway speed (why a lot of SCCA racers use it on their race 
>cars). It also makes it a lot easier to clean the windshield of epoxy-like 
>bird poop, etc.
>
>(No commercial interest blah blah blah, just a long-time user).
>
>-- Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I actually think every cage on the road should be equipped with hands-free cellphones and the license plate should be the phone number.  That way, you could call the F'ER and tell them to pick up the pace or move it.  ;-)  This would only work for cages though.  Bikes might have a hard time.  :-)

Scooter

In a message dated Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:29:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX> writes:

> My opinion is that license plates should not be used for sloganeering or
> witticisms or cutesy messages or to announce your affinity with any group.
> That goes for state-sponsored tourism messages and "Taxation without
> Representation" "Live Free or Die" too.  Perhaps we need number plates that
> stay with the vehicle for the duration, as they have in the UK.
> 
> Paul in DC
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:05 PM
> Subject: personalized tags & taxes
> 
> 
> > I don't have personalized tags, don't even have special issue plates,
> > just plain old tags.
> >
> > My question is, how many of you bitch and moan about taxes, which
> > despite waste do contribute to the general good, but are perfectly
> > willing to cough up extra tax/tag money for personalized tags which is
> > nothing more than an ego trip?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >



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In the UK beginner motorcyclists must fit "T" plates to their bikes during a
probationary period.  Perhaps in the States every idiot cager needs a "D"
plate for "dummy."

Paul in DC
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> I actually think every cage on the road should be equipped with hands-free
cellphones and the license plate should be the phone number.  That way, you
could call the F'ER and tell them to pick up the pace or move it.  ;-)  This
would only work for cages though.  Bikes might have a hard time.  :-)
>
> Scooter
>



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Pierfrancesco,

They're pricey ($150 + fitting), but you could pick up a pair of Challenger
custom ear buds from www.precisionweb.com.  In addition to being earbud
stereo headphones, they've got a NRR (noise reduction rating) of about 30 dB
(about as good as a set of good earplugs).  Quite a few listers have them,
and all seem to be pretty happy with them.

Colby

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pierre C [mailto:piffiffi@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:00 PM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; vfr@XXXXXX
> Subject: Music and Riding
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Anyone has suggestions on how to listen to music while 
> riding? the earphones 
> i just bought are useless. I was wondering if there are any 
> other better 
> solutions.
> 
> As far as it's dangerous and so forth, i have already made up 
> my mind, so 
> thank you anyway.
> Pierfrancesco
> 
> 
> 
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Hello,

Anyone has suggestions on how to listen to music while riding? the earphones 
i just bought are useless. I was wondering if there are any other better 
solutions.

As far as it's dangerous and so forth, i have already made up my mind, so 
thank you anyway.
Pierfrancesco



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it depends on the helmet you use.

For Arai(my helmet) I use "over-the-ear" headphones that go into the ear.
They are not bad.  Comfortable enough for a few hours.  Unfortunately they
are starting to go bad, so I'm looking for new once.  I just bought similar
type Phillips headphones, but they turned out not so comfortable.  So, I'm
heading back to store to exchange them for something else.

The "over-the-ear" part keeps them in place as you put your helmet on.

Just beware.  This is illegal.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pierre C" <piffiffi@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>; <vfr@XXXXXX>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:59 PM
Subject: Music and Riding


> Hello,
>
> Anyone has suggestions on how to listen to music while riding? the
earphones
> i just bought are useless. I was wondering if there are any other better
> solutions.
>
> As far as it's dangerous and so forth, i have already made up my mind, so
> thank you anyway.
> Pierfrancesco
>
>
>
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After the god knows how many years I've been using
Rain-X, I get annoyed by the wipers buzzing by my eyes
every few seconds.

Glenn

--- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I have these really cool gizmos on my cages to clear
> rain.  I think they call them windshield wipers. 
Gotta nice beat *thwop thwop thwop* easy to dance to.


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I just bought a RIO 600 .mp3 player and have a set of walkman earbuds that go over the ear.  Tried them out for the first time yesterday while going to our Richmond office.  Worked really well.  They could have been a little louder but, I could still hear the music clearly.  The over the ear pieces keep them from pulling out of your ears when you put your helmet on.  I was thinking about having a set made up this year when I go to Laguna.  There's usually a vendor there that makes the molds, takes them back to their office and then mails them to you with the earphones built in.  A lot less than $150.

Scooter

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> Hello,
> 
> Anyone has suggestions on how to listen to music while riding? the earphones 
> i just bought are useless. I was wondering if there are any other better 
> solutions.
> 
> As far as it's dangerous and so forth, i have already made up my mind, so 
> thank you anyway.
> Pierfrancesco
> 
> 
> 
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MJ is back.  See the Wiz play the Nuggets TONIGHT.  

My nephew is sick so I cannot take him.  I will sell
these $75 tickets for $40 each.  Call me (I will not
be checking email) at 703-626-1221 if you are
interested.


mark

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At 06:59 PM 3/26/02 +0000, Pierre C wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Anyone has suggestions on how to listen to music while riding? the earphones 
>i just bought are useless. I was wondering if there are any other better 
>solutions.
>
>As far as it's dangerous and so forth, i have already made up my mind, so 
>thank you anyway.
>Pierfrancesco

I have a Diamond Rio and a set of Koss over-the-ear earbuds.  Works great
whilst cruising on my whisper quiet Busa with my HJC helmet.

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

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At 05:00 PM 3/26/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote:
>MJ is back.  See the Wiz play the Nuggets TONIGHT.

Sorry I didn't see it earlier. MJ's not starting, but it would be nice to 
see Juwan doing well with the Noogies... Enjoy, whoever got 'em.

-- Larry







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>At 06:59 PM 3/26/02 +0000, Pierre C wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >Anyone has suggestions on how to listen to music while riding? the 
> earphones
> >i just bought are useless. I was wondering if there are any other better
> >solutions.

Aftermarket pipes make the best music for me... 8;)

-- Larry






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My CB750 has AOLSUX on it.  I can't stand AOL.
And I live in N. VA, where presumably quite a few AOL execs reside.  I just
wanted them to know.

The Bronco II has CAGED UP on the plates.

Cliff

----- Original Message -----
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> Hold on, is it truly "free expression" when your plate selection has to be
> vetted by a board of DMV bureaucrats for tastefulness?  Why should the
> government's means of identifying vehicle be construed as "personal
> expression"?  Bizarre if you ask me.  I suggest you put FOP SUX on your
> bike and then go for a high-speed ride through PG County!  #:)
>
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F


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I use a Rio500 with a pair of Sony Fontopia EX70SL Earbuds that I bought
in Japan a couple of years ago. They weren't available in the US until
about 6 months ago. The version I own has a longer cord than the US
version, otherwise the earphones are the same. They fit inside the ear
like an earplug and block out external noise while piping in exquisite
sound. They aren't earplugs though, so you can hear what is going on
pretty well around you, the plus is that you don't have to crank up the
volume louder than the outside noise to hear your music.

I've heard of folks using the Koss version, and I tried them, they don't
compare to the sound quality, the isolation or comfort of the Sonys.
Here is Sony's page for them: I found them easily on the web by
searching sony ex70

http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/portable/accessories/fontopiart
mear-budheadphones/mdr-ex70lp.shtml

Rob



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Found the Long cord version, same as mine here:

http://www.minidisco.com/minispecs/sonymdrex70sl-tt.html

Hope this helps-

As far as the legality: In Virginia you can ride using a speaker in one
ear. Go figure.

Rob



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From: "Rob Curtis" <rm.curtis@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE