From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 00:00:15 2002
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:00:06 EST
Subject: Re: Bike Quality
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 2/28/2002 1:01:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Rbeatty@XXXXXX writes:

> He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200

If it does not tickle your cookies, it aint worth having. Everything else is
secondary.

Oh and there is always the Buel Blast. It is a Harley???


John.
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 04:54:06 2002
From: JORAU1@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:53:52 EST
Subject: Re: Bike Quality
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I'm 45 years old and up till last June had been riding nothing but Japanese
bikes for the last 30 years, currently a 99 Concours and a 85 900 Ninja. For
some reason had always lusted after a Sportster. Finally did it and bought a
2001 1200 Sportster. All my riding buddies had told me I would hate it, you
know all the stories, it would shake its parts all over the road, oil leak
everywhere, break down on a regular basis,etc.
Guess what? This bike is the most fun I've had on a motorcycle. It is by far
not the fastest or the best handling bike I've ever owned but something about
it makes it the best to spend a day roaming the back roads. The handling is
decent enough, brakes work well, vibration is actually pleasant until about
70 mph, its a relaxed vibration not a busy buzz like my Concours.
Has it been the most reliable bike I've ever owned? No, but it has not been
bad, at 4500 miles the rocker box gaskets leaked oil, Harley had updated
steel gaskets to fix this and at 5500 the front belt sprocket came loose, new
sprocket& nut with locktite. The local dealer Elkridge HD, took me right in
and fixed both problems under warranty both time even though I did not buy it
there, another thing I was not used to as most Harley dealers I've dealt with
seem to really care about your business and your bike. Do it yourself
maintenance is easy and parts are cheaper than for my other bikes, and
usually in stock.
As someone's first bike I don't know, I started years ago on a 400, small and
easily
maneuverable. The Sportster is 500 pounds and actually has the highest seat
height of any Harley. As someone else said I think I would learn on something
smaller until I got past the dropping phase.
Hope did not ramble to much,
John


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 07:32:50 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:32:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: <OT> re: beginning the gun thread
To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX,
   SBave@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX


--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote:
>>    <DJY> Are you also saying that there should be a
> criminal penalty
> for not securing a firearm in your own home ?
>

Actually there is if children are present. At least in
Va. That one more reason the trigger lock crap is
bogus. If you don't have kids, there is no need for a
trigger lock.



Todd W.

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 07:44:06 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:44:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: <OT> re: beginning the gun thread
To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." <turnerr@XXXXXX>, sdave@XXXXXX,
   dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX,
   SBave@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX


--- "Roy D. Turner, Esq." <turnerr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> My opinion is let everyone own a gun.  This week I
> settled a hunting
> accident case on behalf of my client for $400K.  A
> hunter with 25 years of
> experience mistook my client for a deer and shot him
> in the leg.  The injury
> was very serious.   The accident occurred in the
> evening about 5 minutes
> before the end of the legal time to hunt.  My client
> did not have any blaze
> orange on, as it is not required during muzzle
> loader season.  I encourage
> everyone to go out and use firearms.   Let the
> flaming begin.
>
> Roy D. Turner
> www.cfolaw.com
>

Would you have been happier if he had been shot with a
bow? The hunter screwed up and used poor judgement.
Just like people who use poor judgement and cause auto
accidents, or industrial accidents, or other sporting
accidents.

Personally I don't hunt. I consider hunting areas a
two way rifle range. I think if you get shot while
hunting it is an assumed risk. That is like sueing the
guy that hit you on the race track. It is all part of
the sport. :) If every hunter follows the firearm
safety rules, people will not get shot accidently. If
everyone follows every traffic rule and regulation,
traffic accidents would drop by 99%.

Just my take on things.

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 07:51:35 2002
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:50:08 -0500

I second that "stay away from competition accessories."

I'm in the middle of a similar battle (paid for pants, still no pants,
WTF?....and customer service full of shite!)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:02 PM
> To: cledford@XXXXXX
> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: new wind screen
>
>
> Hey,
>      A cheaper and temporary but totally effective alternative to a whole
> new screen is a Rifle brand wind deflector. It's like a bug
> deflector for a
> bike's wind screen. It attaches to the top of the screen, and deflects air
> above the rider's head. I see them a lot on dual-sport type
> bikes, which are
> crap for wind deflection.
>
> Or, if you want to change the thing bad enough, there are wind
> screens with
> a lip on the edge that points up, deflecting air like a Rifle
> deflector, or
> try a Double bubble screen maybe?
>
> I can only say stay away from Competition Accessories. They suck. They
> charged my credit card for a tail trunk bag that was back ordered
> for over 2
> months. Customer service reps on the phone were completely worthless,
> feeding me BS constantly about "just wait a little longer" type comments,
> when it was totally obvious after the fact that they were clueless when or
> even if I would ever get my bag. I can't say enough bad things
> about how my
> business was handled.
>
> Howard J. Koontz
> 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project
>
>
>


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 07:51:54 2002
From: "Bruhl, George LT" <GBruhl@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Harley 1200
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:51:21 -0500

>I rented one (1200 sporty) along with a BMW R1100 or 1150 (the "new" boxer
>twin) for a vacation ride in Arizona with my brother a few years back.

Good advice...  rent one first.  Both Morton's BMW  (Spotsylvania) and Bob's
(Jessup) accommodate test rides.  I don't know about Harley but they might.


Arizona rents anything.  If you're looking for a great Harley rental in
Arizona try Hacienda HD in Scottsdale...  awesome store (ahem... boutique).

I rode my dads 66 FLH alotta years ago and they have greatly improved...
but HD does stuff which bothers me... like dual firing ignitions (when
single fire is soooo much more efficient), 70 degree V's, excessive amounts
of moving parts....stuff that just grates against my engineering mindset.
The owner ends up doing a lot of modification (if they're picky) to get it
"right".  Plus they are heavy, slowish and must be guarded with vigilance
(that may be true of just about any make these days).

If I was in the market for a cruiser of that particular genre' I would opt
for the Indian Chief (S & S motor) or something with a Rev Tech engine.  At
least the upgrades (for the most part) have been done and the bike is a turn
key mod.

gb
78 R80/7



From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 08:21:58 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:31:24 -0500
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
From: Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen)

At 07:50 AM 3/1/02 -0500, Jon Strang wrote:
>I second that "stay away from competition accessories."
>
>I'm in the middle of a similar battle (paid for pants, still no pants,
>WTF?....and customer service full of shite!)

I ordered a ZG Double Bubble windscreen from them on 2/18.  No indication
that it wasn't in stock or wouldn't ship immediately.  Called them
yesterday and found out that it isn't in stock and won't ship to me until
3/10.

Shitty service, IMO.  I should have been informed when I ordered that part.

At least when I ordered my Throttlemeister from AZ Motorsports they told me
it wasn't in stock and would be 2-3 weeks to ship.  I got a notice
yesterday that it shipped, approximately 2.5 weeks after ordering.  Not bad
 :-)

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 08:28:09 2002
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: "Wayne Edelen" <wayne@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:26:42 -0500

don't hold your breath on 3/10.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX]

<snip>
> I ordered a ZG Double Bubble windscreen from them on 2/18.  No indication
> that it wasn't in stock or wouldn't ship immediately.  Called them
> yesterday and found out that it isn't in stock and won't ship to me until
> 3/10.
<snip>

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 08:37:45 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:47:17 -0500
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
From: Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen)

At 08:26 AM 3/1/02 -0500, Jon Strang wrote:
>don't hold your breath on 3/10.

Doh  :-\

I wonder if I should call and cancel my order?  Decisions, decisions.

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 09:15:01 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:59:07 -0600
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
To: <SBave@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Quality

>>> <SBave@XXXXXX><SNIP>
> But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass a  VFR?  :)
>And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of that  missile...LOL

Well...er...did I say that? Ok I waved to a Hyabussa once...

That whole Concours incident...embarrassing!.

George


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 09:30:24 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 06:30:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen)
To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>,
   dc-cycles@XXXXXX

cancel order with c/a; call zero gravity directly and have
the thing shipped today

funny, if i didn't see the header i'd think you guys were
talking about the lowlifes at motorcycle accessory
warehouse....


--- Jon Strang <jmstrang@XXXXXX> wrote:
> don't hold your breath on 3/10.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX]
>
> <snip>
> > I ordered a ZG Double Bubble windscreen from them on
> 2/18.  No indication
> > that it wasn't in stock or wouldn't ship immediately.
> Called them
> > yesterday and found out that it isn't in stock and
> won't ship to me until
> > 3/10.
> <snip>


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 09:44:44 2002
From: <christopher.meier@XXXXXX>
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:43:36 -0500
Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...
To: terryo@XXXXXX
Cc: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX
X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9
 |November 16, 2001) at 03/01/2002 09:43:49 AM


I can vouch for that.  :-)

I have a GiVi on my RF900.  I was bothered that the wind hit me in the
chest/neck and put on the GiVI ... now, it hits me in the head. Doh!
(Note: the helibars probably contribute greatly to this).  It is not a
problem on the twisties, just when running at higher speeds on the open
spots (i.e. interstates).  However, if you like to tuck down on the tank
for the long drones, it is great ... total silence.

YMMV,
--Chris





Terry Onufer <terryo@XXXXXX> on 02/28/2002 06:35:44 PM





To:    "Ledford, Calvin" <cledford@XXXXXX>
cc:    "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
       "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" <vfr-digest@XXXXXX>
Subject:    Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...


Cal, for what it's worth, the guy I am buying the 99VFR from had a Givi,
but
changed back to the stock. He was 5'9, and said the wind hit him square in
the
head, and the stock was better.

I can not speak from personal experience, but it is worth mentioning
because
this guy is bike nut.

TJ

"Ledford, Calvin" wrote:

>         All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one
that
> provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty"
look.
>
>         I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3
> different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa.  I was wondering if
> listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these
> different options.  I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems
fitting.
> I also don't care for how they show the different types on different
model
> bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on
my
> bike.  Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too.
>
>         Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest
> member.
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         -Calvin Ledford
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 10:00:01 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:58:14 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX
CC: terryo@XXXXXX, cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX,
   vfr-digest@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...

I searched for weeks to find a low windscreen for my Harley FLHS.  The astock
one, the only size, was way to high.  I *hate* looking thru a windscreen, and I
detest having to keep one clean enough to see thru!   The one I have now,
National Cycle I think, is perfect.  Yes, the wind does hit the top of my
helmet at road speed, and bugs and rain kinda splatter my head and shoulders,
but that's no real problem.  And I don't have to clean the damn thing!   Local
schoolkids use the windsceen for research whemn they're studying bugs!

Bill

christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote:

> I can vouch for that.  :-)
>
> I have a GiVi on my RF900.  I was bothered that the wind hit me in the
> chest/neck and put on the GiVI ... now, it hits me in the head. Doh!
> (Note: the helibars probably contribute greatly to this).  It is not a
> problem on the twisties, just when running at higher speeds on the open
> spots (i.e. interstates).  However, if you like to tuck down on the tank
> for the long drones, it is great ... total silence.
>
> YMMV,
> --Chris


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 10:42:37 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:42:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and take ac tion.
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

--- harry@XXXXXX wrote:
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> >
> >The following mail was blocked since it contains
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> >Rule/Policy: Profanity
> ...
>
> Kudos to Tom Gimer for triggering the profanity filter at
> aopa.org with the phrase "fuck 'em".

uh oh... i think i may have trouble here.  harry seldom
comes out to mix it up....

aopa?  hmmmmm...  broadstreet, you're a pilot!  fess up to
bringin granny with ya!


> I suppose we can either try to clean up our language,
> or else unsubscribe the listers whose mail server is
> generating these messages.
>
> Fuck 'em. Problem solved.

whew!  :)


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 10:52:32 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:45:02 -0500
To: "Rob Keiser" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX,
   vfr-digest@XXXXXX
From: Lori Wilson <wilsonl@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...

I have a Zero Gravity DB on my '98 and I love it. Although, I'm pretty
short so the stock one was o.k. too :)
(I've attached a pic to you Calvin)

At 11:14 PM 2/28/02 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote:
>Calvin,
>
>Don't know about the Targa's, but I've seen a Secdem and it looks like
>crap (rough cut lower edge and shit brown color tint) and with the Givi
>flip up at the top, you just killed your sporty edge (IMHO).
>
>I tried hard to get a tinted OEM one from overseas, but didn't have any
>luck, and also didn't want to pay the obscene amount to have one imported
>from Japan.  I ended up going for a Zero Gravity Double Bubble tinted one.
>The fit and finish was first rate and it installed in just a few minutes.
>
>Best place I've seen to get it, Arizona Motorsports with the VFR list
>discount:
>
>http://shop.store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/zergravdoubb.html
>
>As always:  YMMV, no affiliation, yadda yadda yadda
>
>Let me know if you'd like to see it.
>
>Rob
>'98 Red
>
>From: "Ledford, Calvin" <cledford@XXXXXX>
>To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
>"'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" <vfr-digest@XXXXXX>
>Subject: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...
>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:44:52 -0500
>
>         All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that
>provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" look.
>
>         I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3
>different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa.  I was wondering if
>listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these
>different options.  I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems fitting.
>I also don't care for how they show the different types on different model
>bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on my
>bike.  Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too.
>
>         Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest
>member.
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         -Calvin Ledford
>
>
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 11:35:08 2002
From: "ROBERSON, Brian" <broberso@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:34:59 -0500

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Calvin,

Another possibility is Zero Gravity's Sport-Tour screen.. Which is taller (I
THINK) than the double bubble.. I have it installed on my 99.  However,
being short, I think the wind now hits me in the head.. But it is easier to
tuck behind.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Ledford, Calvin [mailto:cledford@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:45 PM
To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'
Subject: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...


	All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that
provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" look.

	I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3
different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa.  I was wondering if
listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these
different options.  I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems fitting.
I also don't care for how they show the different types on different model
bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on my
bike.  Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too.

	Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest
member.

	Thanks,

	-Calvin Ledford

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:45 PM</FONT>
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like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that provides a =
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look.</FONT></P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>I did a =
search through the archive and found what appears to be 3 different =
vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa.&nbsp; I was wondering if =
listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about =
these different options.&nbsp; I saw some posts that the Secdems had =
problems fitting. I also don't care for how they show the different =
types on different model bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling =
for how each would look on my bike.&nbsp; Suggestions of where to =
purchase would be helpful too.</FONT></P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Please CC =
my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest member.</FONT>
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<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 11:49:37 2002
From: "Ledford, Calvin" <cledford@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
   "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" <vfr-digest@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:48:48 -0500

All,

I wanted to post this to the list for anyone interested in 1998-2001 VFR
crash guards.  Attached is my email inquiry for ordering information, and
the reply.

Review and installation information can be found at:

http://www.hondavfr.com/reviews/hps.html

-Calvin

'00 VFR800 Interceptor
'84 VF500F Interceptor (For sale)

> I have a 2000 model VFR - could you send me the ordering information?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Calvin Ledford
> Virginia, USA
>


Dear Calvin

Many thanks for your enquiry by e-mail.

I have pleasure in detailing our prices and other information below.

VFR800Fi HPS Heavy Duty Crash Protectors   M-#79.15

Shipping costs to the USA                  M-#32.20

Total order value                         M-#111.35

Available for immediate despatch.

The above prices are shown in Pounds Sterling, but would be approx. $162 US
Dollars.

Please also note the following points:

Prices are net to you and exclude VAT/sales tax (which is not payable on
orders exported out of Europe)

Payment can be be by, Bank/Wire Transfer, Credit/Debit Card, Cheque or Draft
in M-#/Sterling, drawn on a UK bank

* If payment is made by credit or debit card, for your security, credit card
regulations state that we simply require a photocopy either faxing or
posting of both sides of your card, with your signature, confirmation of the
order and the full address of the registered card holder, to which the order
must be despatched

I hope the information here has answered all of your questions, but please
don't hesitate to contact me again should you need any more information.

Thanks again for your enquiry and I look forward to receiving your order.

Regards

Graham Beardsmore

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 12:15:27 2002
From: Stevens John R DLVA <StevensJR@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 02/28/02
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:15:20 -0500

As a new rider, I would have to say that I am glad that I went with the "who
cares if it gets dropped" model, before moving up to something prettier.
(Although now that it's mine, I have grown attached to my old Sooz, and try
not to let it fall down TOO much!)  Another benefit of this type of bike is
that they are usually a good middle-of-the-road performer, and can help a
new rider decide which direction he or she wants to take with his or her
next bike.  BEFORE I started riding, I was dead set on the Harley cruiser,
but after riding a little bit I have decided that I want more performance,
and have been eying a nice ZX-6 as the next step in my M/C evolutionary
ladder.

Anyway, that's my newbie advice.  Start small and ratty to learn on, then
decide which way to go from there.


John Stevens
'77 Suzuki GS750
Waldorf, MD


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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:54:30 -0500
From: "Robert Beatty" <Rbeatty@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Bike Quality

--=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA

I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser.
He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion
on Harleys. Can you please send your responses?

I told him that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they
lack in quality.

--=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 12:18:16 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:18:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Yamaha has announced as of noon, eastern time that
they are bringing the FJR1300 to the U.S.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1

Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6. After
posting a banner for the last week touting "The Super
Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out
with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard
luggage!? Bait and switch! The FJ looks like a great
bike - don't get me wrong - but I'm highly
disappointed.

Chris Weaver

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 12:42:48 2002
From: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>
To: "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: MSF digest
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:46:05 -0500

>From SabMag with snippage:
"My VFkR is history. On my way home from the "Dragon" Monday, some stupid in
a pickup rear-ended me as the line of traffic in front of me was coming to a
stop. She was doing about 60mph at impact, and I was nearly stopped.

[Mirror check is a Good Thing(TM) Lotsa local loonies linked -- and
distracted -- by cell phones, audio equipment, . . .]

"After fracturing my spine on her hood, I was launched into the tailgate of
the pickup in front of me, which I grabbed hold to and held on till I was
dragged to a stop."
<snip>
I always say there are two kinds of bikers... those who have crashed, and
those who are going to. I guess I was way over due for a crash, 36 years of
riding without a serious injury. Maybe this will last me for another 36
years......
Guys, don't skimp on your safety equipment. I don't think anything I could
have done would have prevented my back injury, but my leathers and quality
helmet positively prevented additional serious owwies in this crash.

[Safety Gear sermon # 43]
Or "Itz a wonder he din't brek hiz nek cuz he wuz weren' a helmut."


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 13:05:48 2002
From: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>
To: "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'wayne@XXXXXX'" <wayne@XXXXXX>
Subject: Bike Quality
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:09:10 -0500

Wayne Edelen responded to
"You gotta love the Harley culture, Do they not wave to Sportsters also?"
with, "You gotta love it when people generalize  :-)"
<Snip>
Aye, there're jerks on many brands (tho IMHO, more jerks seem to gravitate
to the "image" brands e.g. Lexus, Jaguar, . . .)

Once on the Cherahola, I saw a bunch of HD riders lining themselves up at a
stop to take a picture.
I pulled in and volunteered to click their cameras so everyone could be in
their pictures.
When they got ready, I said, "Smile, say Honda".
Got several good pictures and a good chat after that.  Turned out most of
them owned rice burners "It's nice to have a bike to get parts with" said
one.

"It's not what you ride, but that you ride."
Carl in Brr-thesda (waves at scooters and bicycles)

" . . . the weather being less thermally enhanced then a Wicca nursing
apparatus  . . ."
John W

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 13:38:54 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:38:14 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Chris Weaver wrote:

> http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1
>
> Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6. After
> posting a banner for the last week touting "The Super
> Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out
> with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard
> luggage!? Bait and switch!

Nope.  Wolf in sheep's clothing.  :)

I think the FJR just might rock your world, Chris.
I'm glad to see it's coming (finally) to the States.
I hope it lasts as long as the Connie has.  It sure
looks worthy.  :)

Horkster
--
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'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 14:00:09 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:00:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Lamond <keithlva@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Gotta agree with the Horkster on this one.

An exciting real sport tourer is more needed in the
USA than another sportsbike.  Not that I don't like
sportsbikes, but we in the USA always seem to get
shafted when it comes to the niche market bikes.

Now if I just had money.  Honda ST1300, FJR1300,
hmm...

Keith

--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> >
>
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1
> >
> > Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6.
> After
> > posting a banner for the last week touting "The
> Super
> > Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out
> > with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard
> > luggage!? Bait and switch!
>
> Nope.  Wolf in sheep's clothing.  :)
>
> I think the FJR just might rock your world, Chris.
> I'm glad to see it's coming (finally) to the States.
> I hope it lasts as long as the Connie has.  It sure
> looks worthy.  :)
>
> Horkster
> --
> Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX
>
> Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)
>
> Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
> Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth
>
> '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
> '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
> '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 14:00:09 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:00:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Lamond <keithlva@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Gotta agree with the Horkster on this one.

An exciting real sport tourer is more needed in the
USA than another sportsbike.  Not that I don't like
sportsbikes, but we in the USA always seem to get
shafted when it comes to the niche market bikes.

Now if I just had money.  Honda ST1300, FJR1300,
hmm...

Keith

--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> >
>
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1
> >
> > Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6.
> After
> > posting a banner for the last week touting "The
> Super
> > Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out
> > with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard
> > luggage!? Bait and switch!
>
> Nope.  Wolf in sheep's clothing.  :)
>
> I think the FJR just might rock your world, Chris.
> I'm glad to see it's coming (finally) to the States.
> I hope it lasts as long as the Connie has.  It sure
> looks worthy.  :)
>
> Horkster
> --
> Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX
>
> Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)
>
> Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
> Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth
>
> '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
> '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
> '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 14:45:47 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:45:13 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: Keith Lamond <keithlva@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Keith Lamond wrote:
>
> Gotta agree with the Horkster on this one.
>
> An exciting real sport tourer is more needed in the
> USA than another sportsbike.  Not that I don't like
> sportsbikes, but we in the USA always seem to get
> shafted when it comes to the niche market bikes.
>
> Now if I just had money.  Honda ST1300, FJR1300,
> hmm...

Problem is, not everyone is gonna run out and buy
a new FJR right away.  Some of us are gonna hang around,
see what the major bitches/complaints are, see if there
are any serious technical flaws/glitches with the bike,
before we consider switching over.

If Yammie isn't wowed by their sales figures the first
couple of years, they could drop the bike, right about
the same time it starts to develop a real following.
I hope that scenario doesn't happen, but it has in the
past (Suzi GSX1100G, Yammie GTS-1000, a couple others).

So all you squids, go out and buy one.  Let us know
how you like it.  Sell them to us cheap, and go buy some
more.   :)

Hork

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'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 14:49:45 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:48:55 -0500 (EST)
From: hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Question about replacing solenoid


	A friend is replacing the starter solenoid(Sp?) on his
ZX6E and says the batter cables attach to the solenoid
but doesnt know if it matters which batter cable goes to
which end of the solenoid. One end of the solenoid is marked M
and the other is marked B.

Thanks
Hugh



From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 15:03:46 2002
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: "hcaldwell" <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Question about replacing solenoid
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:02:20 -0500

Hugh,

This help?

http://www.drintense.com/solenoid_diagram.htm

M motor (goes to ground after it goes through starter motor)
B Battery '+' terminal
should also be a "S" for switch (the '+' wire from the starter switch)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hcaldwell [mailto:hcaldwell@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:49 PM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Question about replacing solenoid
>
>
>
> 	A friend is replacing the starter solenoid(Sp?) on his
> ZX6E and says the batter cables attach to the solenoid
> but doesnt know if it matters which batter cable goes to
> which end of the solenoid. One end of the solenoid is marked M
> and the other is marked B.
>
> Thanks
> Hugh
>
>
>

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 15:07:35 2002
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:07:26 -0500
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
From: Sean Jordan <eternity23@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

> Problem is, not everyone is gonna run out and buy
> a new FJR right away.  Some of us are gonna hang around,
> see what the major bitches/complaints are, see if there
> are any serious technical flaws/glitches with the bike,
> before we consider switching over.

It has been out in Europe for some time now....should be a fairly good
base of info on it out there.



Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing


From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 15:22:26 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:22:00 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: Sean Jordan <eternity23@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Sean Jordan wrote:

> It has been out in Europe for some time now....should be a fairly good
> base of info on it out there.

Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in
Europe are actually saying.  "It's the dog's bollocks!"  WTF?  :)

Hork
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Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark)

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'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 16:20:54 2002
From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: speaking of back injuries and protectors
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:22:32 -0500

I've noticed some racers (on tv) and maybe one or two riders on the
street have back protectors that seem pretty much larger than the
usual, and they seem to extend upwards to possibly protect against
whiplash.

Can anyong give me any more info on these?

Thanks

Danny

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 16:49:15 2002
Date: 1 Mar 2002 13:49:08 -0800
To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors

On Thu, 28 February 2002, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:

>
> I've noticed some racers (on tv) and maybe one or two riders on the
> street have back protectors that seem pretty much larger than the
> usual, and they seem to extend upwards to possibly protect against
> whiplash.
>
how do you mean larger?  Mind goes from the top of my shoulders all the way to my tailbone...what is the "usual"?

LAG


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 16:49:38 2002
From: jessiev@XXXXXX
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: For Sale: Motorcycle 400cc - Annapolis, Maryland
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:51:15 -0500

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:01:05 -0500, in md.forsale "JV"
<jessiev@XXXXXX> wrote:

Annapolis, Maryland - Motorcycle - 1980 400cc Yamaha Special.  Good
condition.  Runs well. Garage kept. Low Mileage Metzler tires.
Electric/kick start.  GREAT starter motorcycle.  Asking $700 or best
reasonable offer. Please do not hit your reply button to answer
ad.Please
e-mail jessiev@XXXXXX Pictures available upon request.



From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 17:10:35 2002
From: SBave@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:10:04 EST
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


--part1_198.3111bc0.29b1563c_boundary

horkster@XXXXXX writes:


> Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in
> Europe are actually saying.  "It's the dog's bollocks!"  WTF?  :)

  LOL...one of the motorcycle mags did a ride on one around Germany a couple
of months ago. From what I remember the complains were abrupt fuel injection
and turbulence from the windscreen despite it being adjustable. They LOVED
the motor...

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9

--part1_198.3111bc0.29b1563c_boundary

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>horkster@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in<BR>
Europe are actually saying.&nbsp; "It's the dog's bollocks!"&nbsp; WTF?&nbsp; :)</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; LOL...one of the motorcycle mags did a ride on one around Germany a couple of months ago. From what I remember the complains were abrupt fuel injection and turbulence from the windscreen despite it being adjustable. They LOVED the motor...<BR>
<BR>
Steve Broadstreet<BR>
ZX-9</FONT></HTML>

--part1_198.3111bc0.29b1563c_boundary--

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 17:14:51 2002
From: SBave@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:14:07 EST
Subject: Re: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and take ac tion.
To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX


--part1_b2.7665909.29b1572f_boundary

 t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:


> aopa?  hmmmmm...  broadstreet, you're a pilot!  fess up to
> bringin granny with ya!
>
  LOL   Yep...I'm a member. But being a computer idiot (among other things) I
have no idea how that message would get sent to the list by me just being a
member...I don't use them for e-mail or use the web site as my home page.
Ideas anyone?

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9

--part1_b2.7665909.29b1572f_boundary

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2> t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">aopa?&nbsp; hmmmmm...&nbsp; broadstreet, you're a pilot!&nbsp; fess up to<BR>
bringin granny with ya!<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
&nbsp; LOL&nbsp;&nbsp; Yep...I'm a member. But being a computer idiot (among other things) I have no idea how that message would get sent to the list by me just being a member...I don't use them for e-mail or use the web site as my home page. Ideas anyone?<BR>
<BR>
Steve Broadstreet<BR>
ZX-9<BR>
</FONT></HTML>
--part1_b2.7665909.29b1572f_boundary--

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 17:19:09 2002
From: SBave@XXXXXX
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:18:53 EST
Subject: Re: Bike Quality
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


--part1_107.dcd131b.29b1584d_boundary

 George.Cole@XXXXXX writes:

> >>> <SBave@XXXXXX><SNIP>
> > But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass
> a  VFR?  :)
> >And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of
> that  missile...LOL
>
> Well...er...did I say that? Ok I waved to a Hyabussa once...
>
> That whole Concours incident...embarrassing!.

  Don't be embarrassed...that mistake could be made by anyone.  :)
And don't worry about the Busa riders...they are just embarrassed that their
bike is so ugly...LOL     (kidding Wayne and Doug)!

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9



--part1_107.dcd131b.29b1584d_boundary

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2> George.Cole@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;SBave@XXXXXX&gt;&lt;SNIP&gt; <BR>
&gt; But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass a&nbsp; VFR?&nbsp; :)<BR>
&gt;And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of that&nbsp; missile...LOL<BR>
<BR>
Well...er...did I say that? Ok I waved to a Hyabussa once... <BR>
<BR>
That whole Concours incident...embarrassing!.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
&nbsp; Don't be embarrassed...that mistake could be made by anyone.&nbsp; :)<BR>
And don't worry about the Busa riders...they are just embarrassed that their bike is so ugly...LOL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (kidding Wayne and Doug)!<BR>
<BR>
Steve Broadstreet<BR>
ZX-9<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT></HTML>
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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 18:44:54 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:54:15 -0500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Wayne Edelen <wayne@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Quality

At 05:18 PM 3/1/02 EST, you wrote:
>>>>

And don't worry about the Busa riders...they are just embarrassed that
their bike is so ugly...LOL     (kidding Wayne and Doug)!

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9

Bastards! :-)

All you guys only get a look at the taillights.  You should see the front
some time!  ;-)  ;-)

-- Wayne

From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 19:40:59 2002
From: "Pierre C" <piffiffi@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: DC VFR head count
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:29:30 +0000

Hey,

The other day (about 10 days ago) I saw a yellow vfr on NY avenue, in NE DC.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone in this list lives downtown DC.

Ciao,
Pierfrancesco

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar  1 22:13:59 2002
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:13:25 -0500
From: Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: cbr600 with givi
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>


>  http://wolfcentral.net/norcalcog/f4givi.htm

This is a pretty sweet setup for a lowly
chain drive bike, I must admit.  :)

Horkster


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'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
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From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar  2 03:32:26 2002
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:32:23 -0800 (PST)
From: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
Subject: Review: Harbor Freight MC tire changer
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Some months back there was a flurry of interest in the MC tire changer
from Harbor Freight. Some people bought the unit which turned out to be
only 1/2 of what you needed. Recently I had opportunity to acquire the
base unit (actually for car tires) for 1/2 price from HB, and got the
MC specific piece for $20 which was ten less than catalogue. So for the
cost of what one of those 'home grown' internet specials would have
cost me (excluding the DIY 2x4 projects), I got a very, very nice unit.

Breaking beads with the bead breaker is so trivial it's almost a
let-down. I used to struggle with the likes of big C-clamps or the
Dennis-Kirk 'jaw' thingy. What a waste that was!

Once placed on the tripod arms and the wheel firmly clamped in place,
one can do all sorts of work on the wheel at a comfortable height. Be
it rotor replacement, bearing removal and insertion or cleaning or
polishing the rim itself. That capability itself is worth the price of
admission, IMO. With the provided 3+ foot bar one can easily get the
bead over the top but that's where I ran into a snag. Maybe car tires
allow you to energetically pull on the bar to 'walk' it around the rim
to pry up the bead. I couldn't do it, the wheel kept spinning under me.
So I had to break out my trusty tire irons to help things along. If
they had provided some kind of fulcrum to rotate about, that would have
been perfect.

Getting beads on and off can require a bit of force and this is where
the only drawback rears it's head. The base is designed to be anchored
into a concrete floor with bolts, so the dinky feet aren't near long
enough to provide good stability when just placed as is.

Given the price ($65 total) this was a very good buy and if you change
tires a lot I would give it a hearty recommendation.

So, can anyone tell me how I can put bolts into a concrete floor after
the fact without doing a lot of obvious damage to the surface?

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From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar  2 10:34:54 2002
From: "Michael Jordan" <mjordan812@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: beginning the gun thread - Plus Helmets, Too!
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:20:45 -0500


> My client did not have any blaze orange
> on, as it is not required during muzzle loader season.

While not required, it does tend to support Darwin's theories.

Helmets aren't required in a lot of states - prudence dictates that they be
worn.

Should your client opt to wander about the woods in hunting season without
taking sensible precautions...

Michael J.



From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar  2 11:10:42 2002
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:08:54 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Review: Harbor Freight MC tire changer



matthew patton wrote:

> So, can anyone tell me how I can put bolts into a concrete floor after
> the fact without doing a lot of obvious damage to the surface?
>

Magic?  The method I use to anchor whatever to concrete is to drill a hole
with a carbide drill bit designed for concrete.  This requires sweat and
cussing or a big-ass drill, like a 1/2 inch motha.  The hole size is
determined by the lag bolt size which determines the hole diam required to
accept a lead anchor lag.  Pound lag anchors in hole, line up stand, bop
the lag bolts to get them started, and wrench away!  Any damge - i.e. holes
- can be easily patched if needed when you remove the stand.

Bill


From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar  2 15:24:26 2002
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:22:39 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: FREE!

>From the dusty depths of my garage emerged a box containing gas welding
stuff.  Looks like hoses, maybe two heads and two gauge sets with some
sort of valving gizmos.  No tanks.  Oh yeah, a pocket set of "tip
cleaners" that appears to have a variety of tiny round files therein.
I'm a  sparky welder, have no use for this stuff, and no clue how usable
it is, but it's FREE to the first person who hauls it away!

Location Annandale VA close to Backlick & Braddock, 1 mile inside the
beltway Braddock Rd exit.  Call for exact directions...

ho (703) 256-3115

Bill


From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar  2 18:36:02 2002
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:34:26 -0500
From: Chuck and Karen Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
CC: horkster@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA

For my money, the UK and Euro journos write a hell of a lot better than
their American counterparts.  More willing to be critical.  More
colorful language.  Political correctness pretty much thrown out the
window.  And their mags aren't afraid to sex and motorcycles, which is
as it should be!  And if you don't get "dog's bollocks" Dale, then you
just don't get it -- but then again, you LIKE shaft drive! %^)

Chuck
FZR600 track bike w/lights currently in streetfighter guise, license
plate DGZBLX

horkster@XXXXXX writes:

 > Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in
 > Europe are actually saying.  "It's the dog's bollocks!"  WTF?   [:)]




From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar  3 07:35:24 2002
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:33:37 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: more FREE stuff!

One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker design, 5 bolt
pattern.  Tires included.

Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage :-)

Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115


From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar  3 13:51:17 2002
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:51:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: more FREE stuff!
To: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>,
   "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Bill:

Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and
make me a moto trailer?  Thanks buddy!

Mark


--- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker
> design, 5 bolt
> pattern.  Tires included.
>
> Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage
> :-)
>
> Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115
>


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From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar  3 15:13:05 2002
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:11:18 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: more FREE stuff!

HA!  I do sparky welding, not gas, but my Lincoln welder is ready to zap
metal.  Sometime this spring/summer I'm going to build a bike(s)
hauler.  Soon as the steel fairy drops a load of tube stock in my yard.

Bill

Mark Kitchell wrote:

> Bill:
>
> Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and
> make me a moto trailer?  Thanks buddy!
>
> Mark
>
> --- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker
> > design, 5 bolt
> > pattern.  Tires included.
> >
> > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage
> > :-)
> >
> > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115
> >
>
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From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar  3 18:21:18 2002
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: "Tight Squeeze Racing" <tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX>,
   <speedwerks@XXXXXX>, "Sam Heim" <sam8165@XXXXXX>,
   <R0bwats0n@XXXXXX>, <Puppycub@XXXXXX>, "Mark S. Simone" <tish@XXXXXX>,
   "James Gaal" <jamesgaal@XXXXXX>,
   "Donnie Tingle" <dtiiifan@XXXXXX>, "David Salvaggio" <dls@XXXXXX>,
   <CyclePros1@XXXXXX>, "audrey gia" <Tantryk@XXXXXX>,
   "Brian McCoy" <mcycleracr@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: My GS
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:30:57 -0500

Thanks to Wayne for putting the picture of my GS up in his site.  Check her
out and if you know anyone who is interested and wants to find out more, let
me know.  Thanks!

http://www.blueblackbusa.org/laura_gs.jpg

Laura
http://laura.dcc-racing.org


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 01:23:19 2002
Subject: Mark Walker is Out of the Office
From: Mwalker3@XXXXXX
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:03:08 -0500
X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September
 22, 2000) at 03/04/2002 01:06:11 AM

I will be out of the office starting  03/01/2002 and will not return until
03/06/2002.

I will be reading my e-mail and will reply to your message as soon as possible.

Thank you.


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 08:48:02 2002
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:48:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Marhefsky <bmarhefsky@XXXXXX>
Subject: Painter Recommendation
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Just picked up a rear hugger for my Tiger and I'd
like to get it painted to match the rest of the
bodywork.  Any recommendations on a painter?

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 09:09:42 2002
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:07:02 -0600
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
To: <rgorman17@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: For Sale 92 Zephyr 750


1992 Kawasaki Zephyr 750 $ 2000.00

appx 25K mileage

See photos at http://photos.yahoo.com/gfacter Zephyr folder

I bought this bike as a Winter resto project. Its mostly completed.

I replaced the Battery, gas tank, completely rebuilt carbs (new jets, needles, gaskets etc) oil/filter, spark plugs and wires, and many other bits and prices. New tires. shop manual.

The bike runs excellent, is easy to ride and has a very low seat height.

Please contact me for more details.

Regards,

George Cole
301-523-4161





From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 09:27:55 2002
Subject: RE: Painter Recommendation
From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:27:48 -0500
To: "bmarhefsky@XXXXXX" <bmarhefsky@XXXXXX>,
   "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Noah at Better Off Bodyworks.  Down in the Triangle/Dumfires, VA area.  Don't have his phone number handy.  But he does all the paint and body repair work for Crossroads Cycles.  Call them (703) 820-3711 and I'm sure they can tell you his phone number.

Noah painted my GSXR before my deerhunter accident
http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm

Chuck

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Brian Marhefsky bmarhefsky@XXXXXX
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:48:00 -0800 (PST)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Painter Recommendation


Just picked up a rear hugger for my Tiger and I'd
like to get it painted to match the rest of the
bodywork.  Any recommendations on a painter?

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 10:11:55 2002
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500
From: Shawn Brand <shawn.brand@XXXXXX>
Subject: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the
wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also, the
lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP
notorious for marketing junk?


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 10:29:46 2002
Date: Mon Mar 04 10:28:41 2002
From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: DC VFR head count
To: <piffiffi@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Don't own a vfr but, i live in downtown dc.

From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 10:33:41 2002
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:30:20 -0500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: DC VFR head count

At , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
>Don't own a vfr but, i live in downtown dc.

Own a VFR, but don't live downtown.  Work down there every once in a while.



___________________________________________
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          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

         1997 Honda VFR 750
         AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA



From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 11:01:45 2002
From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: <ScooterFZR@XXXXXX>, <piffiffi@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: DC VFR head count
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:56:36 -0500

Whoever it was, it wasn't me.  Mine's red.  "Winterman," a sometime poster
to DCC, lives in DC and has a yeller VFR.

Paul in DC (near downtown)
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
----- Original Message -----
From: <ScooterFZR@XXXXXX>

> Don't own a vfr but, i live in downtown dc.
>


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 11:39:50 2002
Date: 4 Mar 2002 08:39:44 -0800
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Subject: Daytona Congrats

Just wanted to tell everyone to congratulate Keener and Roach for kicking some butt down in Daytona.  I know Roach took third in an endurance race and Keener won at least one of his class races.  Way to go boys!

Laura (<--counting the days until racing season starts for me)
http://laura.dcc-racing.org


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 11:59:22 2002
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:59:21 -0800 (PST)
From: stephen cutchins <stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX>
Subject: Can someone tape the races for me?
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Well, after 7 Bike Weeks in a row, I finally have to
miss one.  Cox Cable only broadcasts Speed Channel for
8 hours a day, so there is way too much racing that I
will miss.  Can anyone out there with a satellite tape
the races for me?  I would be forever indebted!

Fri
2-3 750SS
4-5 600SS

Sat
1-5 Supercross

Sun
8-10 WSBK
1030-1130 AMA 250GP
1230-330 Daytona 200

In fact, if someone does tape the races, I might be
able to put together a group TV night to watch the
200.  I think my apartment complex has a room with a
big screen that residents can use.

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 12:23:40 2002
From: "LindaT." <ljtanner@XXXXXX>
To: "DC-CYCLES" <DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:17:16 -0500

I have the flush mounts on my CBR and yes, they do market junk.  I had to
wrap the innards with electrical tape to keep it from shorting out.  That's
what the fast blink is telling you.  Take the things completely apart.  Make
sure all the connections are good and wrap the wires in tape.  I seem to
recall that the wire colors were not consistent.  Make sure the positive is
really the positive wire, etc.  Worked for me (after a while).

Good luck.
LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner

Shawn Brand asked:

Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the
wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also, the
lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP
notorious for marketing junk?


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 12:26:45 2002
From: "Carlos Ambrosini" <cdvip11@XXXXXX>
To: shawn.brand@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:15:04 -0500

did you get the double filament ones  or just the single?


>From: Shawn Brand <shawn.brand@XXXXXX>
>Reply-To: shawn.brand@XXXXXX
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights
>Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500
>
>Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the
>wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also,
>the
>lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP
>notorious for marketing junk?
>


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 12:47:18 2002
Subject: RE: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights
From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:50:10 -0500
To: "shawn.brand@XXXXXX" <shawn.brand@XXXXXX>,
   "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Shawn,

I've also found that the LP flush mounts seem to run "hot."  But I haven't had any lenses melt ... yet.  I'm not an elecrical wizard, but it probably has to do with them drawing more amps or whatever than stock turn signals.  Could probably be fixed with a resistor or something.  I'm sure someone ont he list could explain and provide a (hopefully easy) solution
As to them flashing too fast.  Are you running LP marker lights all around?  Or a set of stock signals (or a different set of marker lights) in front/back?  I'm going to guess that you're running different wattage bulbs.  All the bulbs need to be the exact same wattage, otherwise they'll blink at a faster rate.  This might also happen if you're only running lights/blinkers in one location.

And are you running 2-wire (blnkers only) or 3-wire (running lights/blinkers)?  If you don't need the running light function, just run a 2-wire set-up as blinkers only.  This may (or may not) help with the lights running too hot.

Let me know how you do with this problem as I'd defintely be interested in knowing what solution(s) you come up with.

Chuck

P.S.  Have you talked with the folks at LP at all???

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Shawn Brand shawn.brand@XXXXXX
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights


Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the
wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also, the
lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP
notorious for marketing junk?

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 15:41:06 2002
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:41:04 -0800 (PST)
From: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
Subject: angled valve stems
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I thought dennis kirk used to carry a fairly wide variety of valve
stems but their recent catalogue has only 1 type now. do the screw
together variety work fine? Is there a decent source of these things?

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 18:45:16 2002
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:45:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
Subject: Braking
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I'm forwarding this on from a friend of mine.  Thought
it was interesting.

Glenn


A few months ago there was an interesting discussion
on the YZF list about rear braking. Some guys were
quoting their MSF instructors (60/40 power
split, rear is very important), and I differed in
opinion, stating that those instructions apply more to
average riders/bikes, not our short-wheelbase
sportbikes, etc. This racing instructor offered his
opinion below. Interesting:


"Someone mentioned that 60% of your braking is applied
with the front brakes - that's completely wrong - over
90% of the braking is applied with the front brakes.
I've taken both the MSF and Code schools and am
currently have an expert race license and am
instructor at the Keith Code Calif Superbike School.

"Most people do not use the front brakes to their
fullest. One of the drills we do at the school during
the 2 day camp is locking up the front brakes,
getting the feel of what that shutter feels like, then
letting off. During hard braking, the rear of my bike
is off the ground or very, very light, so
rear braking at that point is of no use. Most racers
understand that more than 90% of your braking is done
by the front and stay off the rear unless
they run off the track. I can trail-brake the front
end most of the way into a corner - knee on the
ground, but if you touch the rear leaned over, its
bye-bye rear end.

"The point is get proficient at using the front brakes
to their maximum potential - the rear brake will get
you into trouble more times than not, and here's
another tip - the throttle will get you out of trouble
with 99% of the problems you get into."

Terry Embury
Hi-Side Racing - The Racer's Source

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 20:32:13 2002
Date: Mon,  4 Mar 2002 20:26:50 -0500
From: "Scott Luttrell" <scott@XXXXXX>
To: <nappyknot@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
   <xpelletier@XXXXXX>, <qshilling@XXXXXX>
CC: <lordorange@XXXXXX>, <cycleboy51@XXXXXX>, <sktcasey@XXXXXX>

Having a Bad Day? Read this-----
A man was working on his motorcycle on the patio, his wife nearby in the kitchen. While racing the engine, the motorcycle accidentally slipped into gear. The man, still holding onto the handlebars, was dragged along as it burst through the glass patio doors. His wife, hearing the crash, ran in the room to find her husband (cut and bleeding), the motorcycle, and the shattered patio door. She called for an ambulance and, because the house sat on a fairly large hill, went down the several flights of stairs to meet the paramedics and escort them to her husband. While the attendants were loading her husband, the wife
managed to right the motorcycle and push it outside. She also quickly blotted up the spilled gasoline with some paper towels and tossed them into the toilet. After being treated and released, the man returned home, looked at the shattered patio door and the damage done to his motorcycle. He went into the bathroom and consoled himself with a cigarette while attending to his business. About to stand, he flipped the butt between his legs. The wife, who was in the kitchen, heard a loud explosion and her husband screaming. Finding him lying on the bathroom floor with his trousers blown away and burns on his buttocks, legs and groin, she once again phoned for an ambulance.  The same paramedic crew was dispatched. As the paramedics carried the man down the stairs to the ambulance they asked the wife how he had come to burn himself. She told
them. They started laughing so hard, one slipped, tipping the stretcher and dumping the husband out. He fell down the remaining stairs, breaking his arm.

Still having a bad day? Just remember, it could be worse...

The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon
Valdez oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were being released back into the wild amid cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later, in full view, a killer whale ate them both.

A woman came home to find her husband in the kitchen shaking
frantically, with some kind of wire running from his waist towards the electric kettle. Intending to jolt him away from the deadly current, she whacked him with a handy plank of wood, breaking his arm in two places. Until that moment, he had been happily listening to his Walkman.

STILL think you're having a bad day?

Two animal rights protesters were protesting at the cruelty
of sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn, Germany.  Suddenly, all two thousand pigs broke loose and escaped through a broken fence, stampeding madly. The two hapless protesters were trampled to death.


Iraqi terrorist Khay Rahnajet didn't pay enough postage on a
letter bomb. It came back with "return to sender" stamped on it.
Forgetting it was the bomb, he opened it and was blown to bits.

There now, feeling better?

The gene pool could use a little chlorine

Scott Luttrell
Fast & Wily Racing
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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 20:57:35 2002
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/03/02
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:54:38 -0500


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Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/03/02


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> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:33:37 -0500
> From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
> To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: more FREE stuff!
>
> One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker design, 5 bolt
> pattern.  Tires included.
>
> Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage :-)
>
> Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:51:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: more FREE stuff!
> To: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>,
>    "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>
> Bill:
>
> Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and
> make me a moto trailer?  Thanks buddy!
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker
> > design, 5 bolt
> > pattern.  Tires included.
> >
> > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage
> > :-)
> >
> > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115
> >
>
>
> =====
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:11:18 -0500
> From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
> To: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
> CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Re: more FREE stuff!
>
> HA!  I do sparky welding, not gas, but my Lincoln welder is ready to zap
> metal.  Sometime this spring/summer I'm going to build a bike(s)
> hauler.  Soon as the steel fairy drops a load of tube stock in my yard.
>
> Bill
>
> Mark Kitchell wrote:
>
> > Bill:
> >
> > Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and
> > make me a moto trailer?  Thanks buddy!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker
> > > design, 5 bolt
> > > pattern.  Tires included.
> > >
> > > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115
> > >
> >
> > =====
> >
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> X-Sent: 3 Mar 2002 23:21:09 GMT
> From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
> To: "Tight Squeeze Racing" <tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX>,
>    <speedwerks@XXXXXX>, "Sam Heim" <sam8165@XXXXXX>,
>    <R0bwats0n@XXXXXX>, <Puppycub@XXXXXX>, "Mark S. Simone"
<tish@XXXXXX>,
>    "James Gaal" <jamesgaal@XXXXXX>,
>    "Donnie Tingle" <dtiiifan@XXXXXX>, "David Salvaggio"
<dls@XXXXXX>,
>    <CyclePros1@XXXXXX>, "audrey gia" <Tantryk@XXXXXX>,
>    "Brian McCoy" <mcycleracr@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Subject: My GS
> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:30:57 -0500
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200
>
> Thanks to Wayne for putting the picture of my GS up in his site.  Check
her
> out and if you know anyone who is interested and wants to find out more,
let
> me know.  Thanks!
>
> http://www.blueblackbusa.org/laura_gs.jpg
>
> Laura
> http://laura.dcc-racing.org
>
>
>


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 21:00:58 2002
From: "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Braking
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:01:11 -0500

Glenn rubbed 2 sticks together...


A few months ago there was an interesting discussion
on the YZF list about rear braking. Some guys were
quoting their MSF instructors (60/40 power
split, rear is very important), and I differed in
opinion, stating that those instructions apply more to
average riders/bikes, not our short-wheelbase
sportbikes, etc. This racing instructor offered his
opinion below. Interesting:


	<DJY>  Oh boy... here we go...  I'll bet if Harry let's the AOPA guy
back on, we'll be flooded with 'content rejected' messages, some of them
not even set off by Gimer ;-)



"Someone mentioned that 60% of your braking is applied
with the front brakes - that's completely wrong - over
90% of the braking is applied with the front brakes.


	<DJY>  On what bike ?  what's the weight threshold & bias for this
statement to be true ?

...

"Most people do not use the front brakes to their
fullest.


	<DJY>  <yawn>  we know, now move on to something new...


One of the drills we do at the school during
the 2 day camp is locking up the front brakes,
getting the feel of what that shutter feels like, then
letting off. During hard braking, the rear of my bike
is off the ground or very, very light, so
rear braking at that point is of no use.


	<DJY>  BTDTGTTS.


 Most racers
understand that more than 90% of your braking is done
by the front ...blah, blah, blah..

the rear brake will get you into trouble more times than not,
...
the throttle will get you out of trouble with 99% of the
problems you get into."


	<DJY> hmm... The nice deputy's eyes glassed over when I tried to
explain this to him on the side of the road.  I realized he wasn't
buying it and said... 'never mind.  I've got a clean record, would you
write me a warning?'  He did.



Terry Embury
Hi-Side Racing - The Racer's Source


	<DJY>  Not sure I like the idea of taking riding advice from someone
materially involved in 'Hi Side racing'... ;-)



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 21:05:24 2002
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Braking.
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:02:29 -0500

---Glenn Dysart Wrote---
I'm forwarding this on from a friend of mine.  Thought
it was interesting.

Glenn

<snip>

"The point is get proficient at using the front brakes
to their maximum potential - the rear brake will get
you into trouble more times than not, and here's
another tip - the throttle will get you out of trouble
with 99% of the problems you get into."
-----------------------------------------------------------------

At the risk of setting things on fire.....a lot of good this will do you
linked and ABS brake types.

I personally don't do much racing on the street nor do any of my bikes have
an ABS or are linked so, I will continue to use my rear brakes. ;-)

Todd (Springfield, VA)


From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 22:31:49 2002
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:29:52 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking

Glenn offers us the opinion of an apparently professional race bike
ridewr RE front/rear brake power distribution.  Hooey.  Bull-pucky.
Let us suppose the perfect braking distance from say 60 could be
established for any given bike.  We'll call that 100% efficient.  I'll
venture a guess that very few of the folks on this list could exceed 80%
of perfection even using both brakes and tossing out a drag anchor.
This is called real life situation.

I've heard a variety of percentage ratios bandied about in and out of
MSF classes.  The purpose of stating a F/R ratio is to introduce a
novice to the fact that wieght transfer puts more of the action on the
front.  Back in 1960 my driver's ed class taught me that, not exactly a
new idea. The actual ratio isn't that important, save for testy
discussion purposes.  Use both brakes, test the limits, avoid situations
that will test your limits.

Bill


Glenn Dysart wrote:

> I'm forwarding this on from a friend of mine.  Thought
> it was interesting.
>
> Glenn
>
> A few months ago there was an interesting discussion
> on the YZF list about rear braking. Some guys were
> quoting their MSF instructors (60/40 power
> split, rear is very important), and I differed in
> opinion, stating that those instructions apply more to
> average riders/bikes, not our short-wheelbase
> sportbikes, etc. This racing instructor offered his
> opinion below. Interesting:
>
> "Someone mentioned that 60% of your braking is applied
> with the front brakes - that's completely wrong - over
> 90% of the braking is applied with the front brakes.
> I've taken both the MSF and Code schools and am
> currently have an expert race license and am
> instructor at the Keith Code Calif Superbike School.
>
> "Most people do not use the front brakes to their
> fullest. One of the drills we do at the school during
> the 2 day camp is locking up the front brakes,
> getting the feel of what that shutter feels like, then
> letting off. During hard braking, the rear of my bike
> is off the ground or very, very light, so
> rear braking at that point is of no use. Most racers
> understand that more than 90% of your braking is done
> by the front and stay off the rear unless
> they run off the track. I can trail-brake the front
> end most of the way into a corner - knee on the
> ground, but if you touch the rear leaned over, its
> bye-bye rear end.
>
> "The point is get proficient at using the front brakes
> to their maximum potential - the rear brake will get
> you into trouble more times than not, and here's
> another tip - the throttle will get you out of trouble
> with 99% of the problems you get into."
>
> Terry Embury
> Hi-Side Racing - The Racer's Source
>
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From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar  4 22:51:53 2002
From: "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX>
Cc: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Braking
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:51:56 -0500

Bill contributes -

...  Hooey.  Bull-pucky.


	<DJY>  just what we would expect ;-)


Let us suppose the perfect braking distance from say 60 could be
established for any given bike.  We'll call that 100% efficient.  I'll
venture a guess that very few of the folks on this list could exceed 80%
of perfection even using both brakes and tossing out a drag anchor.
This is called real life situation.


	<DJY> WHAT?!  Knee dragging can occur in real life... while using 90%
front brake and no rear because it's off the ground...
		It could happen ...  :-)



...The actual ratio isn't that important, save for testy
discussion purposes.  Use both brakes, test the limits, avoid situations
that will test your limits.

	<DJY>  Sure, be the voice of reason, Bill.  I was hoping for some real
entertainment with the 'hooey & bull-pucky' opening...  Only to be heart
broken as you douse the flames of our budding brake thread with water.

maybe somebody will come along and save it...



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 01:23:57 2002
From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:26:27 -0500


The usual 'street' back protectors seem to be shaped along the lines
of a persons back.. the ones I've seen on some racers,  have a
different look. Instead of being shaped like someones back, they seem
to take an outward curve...   as if you had a utility pole made of
foam, cut it down to back size, cut it in half so that it's half
round, and placed the flat part on your back.   It kind of looks like
it is ample back protection.  I don't know if it's used in the US or
in other countries, all i know is i've seen it on tv.

anyone know anything about them?

|>how do you mean larger?  Mind goes from the top of my shoulders all the way to my tailbone...what is the "usual"?


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 01:28:47 2002
From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: FREE!
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:31:17 -0500

If no one takes you up on the offer you might want to put it on ebay.

If i recall correctly that stuff sells for about $100 there.



From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 01:50:09 2002
From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
Cc: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking  (sportbikes)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:52:39 -0500

|>new idea. The actual ratio isn't that important, save for testy
|>discussion purposes.  Use both brakes, test the limits, avoid situations
|>that will test your limits.

It's my opinion that use of the back brake under emergency braking
will cause the bike to sway and wobble and be unsettled,  (and of
course possibly low side)

where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by
removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight
and even. A quick release of the front brake and one is than in a
bettter position to switch to a steering away strategy. (which is
actually preferable in the first place IMO)

Of course there are vices and virtues to any braking style...
I tend to use front brakes mostly, and use rear brakes for some low
speed stuff, and questionable traction stuff. (rain, wetness, grass,
gravel, city stop lights when i'm not doing endos) :)

What's my recomendation to any new sport bike rider? on the highway
use the front brakes. On the curves don't use brakes. And use the rear
brake in afore mentioned times.

Of course even if your'e perfect  with brakes doesnt mean you can
avoid accidents. It's nice to slow down your velocity though when
you're about to be ejected off your vehicle and travel in an
uncontrolled manner. Less traveling distance, less impact, less chance
for impact.

I actually would like to have a range to practice achieving the
perfect braking distance.. that would be fun.

Danny
01 gsxr 750
00 zx6r

From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 07:42:28 2002
From: Gaske David G DLVA <GaskeDG@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: RE: angled valve stems
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:42:23 -0500

The new Triumphs come with them, try one of there dealers and see what they
have.  They are 90' bends, very handy for getting around the brake discs.

David Gaske
2000 Triumph Sprint RS  <-- in the faster yellow


-----Original Message-----
From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:41 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: angled valve stems


I thought dennis kirk used to carry a fairly wide variety of valve
stems but their recent catalogue has only 1 type now. do the screw
together variety work fine? Is there a decent source of these things?

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 08:55:05 2002
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:53:17 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Oh boy!  New toy!

A bit pricey, but this rig looks kinda cool!

http://www.carver.nl/home.htm


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:02:33 2002
From: "Thomas Zell" <zellto@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Shameless puppy advertisement. ;-)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:03:35 -0500

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Hi everyone!



Coming out of continual lurk mode.



For those of you that remember we had a litter of pups back in 2000.
Well they're back again!  Hera and Red Stripe are the proud parents of
ten bouncing baby pit bull puppies!  Our house is once again filled with
the happy little cries of nursing little pups.



The puppies will be available for sale at the end of the first week of
May.  They will not be available to folks living in Prince George's
County as they are (needlessly) considered illegal there.  Price will be
$500 a pup which will get you a game-bred ADBA registered little bundle
of joy.  Our dogs are wonderful and are true American Pit Bull Terriers.
not the backyard-bred crap that you read about in the news.  They are
also small dogs weighing generally less than 50 pounds.  They are
excellent companion dogs.



Jeannette and I can be contacted at (703) 931-9143.



Thanks!

Tom

'86 VFR750








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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:03:22 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:03:15 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: re: Oh boy! New toy!

Bill tipped us off -

A bit pricey, but this rig looks kinda cool!
http://www.carver.nl/home.htm


  <DJY>  Needs about 140 more horsepower...  ;-)

Dave




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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:06:48 2002
From: SKeener2@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:06:02 EST
Subject: Re: Daytona Congrats
To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX


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>
> Just wanted to tell everyone to congratulate Keener and Roach for kicking
> some butt down in Daytona.  I know Roach took third in an endurance race
> and Keener won at least one of his class races.  Way to go boys!
>

I won GT Lights & Lightweight Superbike.  :-)  Thanks!

Steve

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:14:56 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:14:41 -0500
Subject: Re:
From: Sean Jordan <eternity23@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 08:26 , Scott Luttrell wrote:

> Having a Bad Day? Read this-----
>
<snip> Blah, blah, blah </snip>
>
> There now, feeling better?

Urban/Internet legends, every one...... amusing stories, though.



Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:19:44 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:19:38 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

Danny opined -

It's my opinion that use of the back brake under emergency braking
will cause the bike to sway and wobble and be unsettled,  (and of
course possibly low side)


   <DJY>  How so ?


where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by
removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight
and even.


   <DJY>  If your front wheel takes 'over 100% of the braking force'
that would be a front wheel skid.


 A quick release of the front brake and one is than in a
bettter position to switch to a steering away strategy. (which is
actually preferable in the first place IMO)

Of course there are vices and virtues to any braking style...
I tend to use front brakes mostly, and use rear brakes for some low
speed stuff, and questionable traction stuff. (rain, wetness, grass,
gravel, city stop lights when i'm not doing endos) :)


  <DJY>  What about stoppies ? ;-)

...
I actually would like to have a range to practice achieving the
perfect braking distance.. that would be fun.

  <DJY> Use an infrequently travelled road, or a store parking lot
before anyone gets there...

Dave






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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:29:32 2002
From: SKeener2@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:29:09 EST
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX


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In a message dated 3/5/02 9:21:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX
writes:

> where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by
> removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight
> and even.

Uh...only if your suspension is is set up nicely.  Otherwise you can have the
front end wiggling around under you.  Most street rider do NOT have the front
suspension set up well.   The technique of braking and letting off and making
a course correction then braking again.  The MSF course teaches it.

Keener

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 3/5/02 9:21:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by<BR>
removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight<BR>
and even.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Uh...only if your suspension is is set up nicely.&nbsp; Otherwise you can have the front end wiggling around under you.&nbsp; Most street rider do NOT have the front suspension set up well.&nbsp;&nbsp; The technique of braking and letting off and making a course correction then braking again.&nbsp; The MSF course teaches it.<BR>
<BR>
Keener</FONT></HTML>

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:42:06 2002
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:41:46 EST
Subject: Re: Braking  (sportbikes)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

While riding down the street the motorcycles weight is distributed about
50/50 (It varies bike to bike, and situation to situation. (Acceleration can
result in 0% front and 100% rear.) but 50/50 is close enough for discussion.)
That means that the braking available is 50/50 _at the moment braking starts_
If you go for 100% braking at that moment you will lock the front wheel. A
BAD THING! Yes you can get 100% at the front wheel but only AFTER 100% of the
bikes weight transfers to the front wheel.
The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and INCREASE
pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the rear as the
weight transfers.
And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum braking.
And it aint easy.
The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so that you
can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use both brakes
every time you stop. If you have to think about it you are screwed.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European
      is now necessary {and I still like it.})
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:51:04 2002
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:50:54 EST
Subject: Re: angled valve stems
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I think the Honda GL1500 uses 90deg. valve stems. Expensive I am sure, but
they use em.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European
      is now necessary {and I still like it.})
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 09:54:40 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:54:35 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

John pokes a marshmallow into the flames --

While riding down the street the motorcycles weight is distributed
about 50/50 (It varies bike to bike, and situation to
situation. ...That means that the braking available is 50/50 _at the
moment braking starts_
If you go for 100% braking at that moment you will lock the front
wheel. A BAD THING! Yes you can get 100% at the front wheel but only
AFTER 100% of the bikes weight transfers to the front wheel.

  <DJY>  At which point, your rear wheel is completely unweighted &
in the process of lofting if not already airborne.  It looks cool,
but can get out of hand very easily.


The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and
INCREASE pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the
rear as the weight transfers.

And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum
braking. And it aint easy.
The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so
that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use
both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it you
are screwed.

  <DJY>  Sage advice.  good points all.

Dave





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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:10:05 2002
Date: 5 Mar 2002 07:09:57 -0800
To: sdave@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)


>
> The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and
> INCREASE pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the
> rear as the weight transfers.

OK, people...how many times are we going to debate the damn braking issue? LOL...

>
> And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum
> braking. And it aint easy.

I will say, from my riding experience...MSF is NOT correct in everything they teach.  I think it's important to remember that MSF is an incredible way to learn how to safely get started on a bike, but as your riding progresses, the theories of riding change and how you apply your skills.

> The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so
> that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use
> both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it you
> are screwed.

I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track at VIR, I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest choice IN THAT SITUATION...therefore, I crashed.  You need to figure out what is best for the situation you are in at the time.

LAG


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:21:16 2002
From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" <SMeredith@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "Herb Manell (E-mail)" <nomad98@XXXXXX>,
   "Justin Lemrow (E-mail)"
	 <justin@XXXXXX>,
   "Rob Keiser (E-mail)" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>,
   "Richard Sperry (E-mail)" <richardsperry@XXXXXX>
Subject: COTU III
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:20:10 -0800


Calling all northern Va VFR riders.  It's time to start planning for the
ride to COTU3.  I'll volunteer to be the focal point for organizing the trip
if others are interested in getting a northern VA group together.  Contact
me off-list if interested.  The COTU3 web site is
http://users1.ee.net/adwvfr/cotu/cotu3.htm

Steve
97 VFR
Warrenton, VA




From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:26:20 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:25:26 -0500 (EST)
From: hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors


	The back protectors I see on race bikes look like half
of a cone. Is this what your talking about? If so I believe the
protectors are shaped that way for aerodynamic reasons while in
full tuck.

Hugh

On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:

>
> The usual 'street' back protectors seem to be shaped along the lines
> of a persons back.. the ones I've seen on some racers,  have a
> different look. Instead of being shaped like someones back, they seem
> to take an outward curve...   as if you had a utility pole made of
> foam, cut it down to back size, cut it in half so that it's half
> round, and placed the flat part on your back.   It kind of looks like
> it is ample back protection.  I don't know if it's used in the US or
> in other countries, all i know is i've seen it on tv.
>


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:34:24 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:34:18 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc: lgranato@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

LAG whines -
OK, people...how many times are we going to debate the damn braking
issue? LOL...

  <DJY> This is DC *CYCLES* not DC *SOCIAL* we'll debate the brake
issue until the list is extinct :-)



I will say, from my riding experience...


   <DJY>  How long is that in years & mileage ?


MSF is NOT correct in
everything they teach.  I think it's important to remember that MSF is
an incredible way to learn how to safely get started on a bike, but as
your riding progresses, the theories of riding change and how you
apply your skills.


   <DJY>  As well as what type of bike you choose.  MSF has to
account for all types from chopper to race replica and it is a street
course, not how to go fast around a track.


> The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so
> that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always
> use both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it
> you are screwed.


I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track
at VIR, I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest
choice IN THAT SITUATION...therefore, I crashed.

   <DJY>  See?!  you ride like you practice!

And just where *IS* Glenn in all this ?  he started it ;-)

Dave


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:39:09 2002
Date: 5 Mar 2002 07:39:02 -0800
To: sdave@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

On Tue, 05 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

>
> LAG whines -

First of all, I don't whine...It was bitching, thank you...

>   <DJY> This is DC *CYCLES* not DC *SOCIAL* we'll debate the brake
> issue until the list is extinct :-)

I agree that it's not DC *social*, but why do we run circles around the same "cycle" issues and never come up with any answers...here's a challenge, Dave.  Go back and see how many times we've debated this issue and tell me the outcome of each.
>
>
> I will say, from my riding experience...
>
>
>    <DJY>  How long is that in years & mileage ?

Enough...I know plenty of people who have been riding for eons and they just plain shouldn't drive a shopping cart at the grocery store...It doesn't have to do with that type of "experience..."

>
>
>    <DJY>  As well as what type of bike you choose.  MSF has to
> account for all types from chopper to race replica and it is a street
> course, not how to go fast around a track.

Did I apply my comment to only racing?  NO...didn't think so...

>
>    <DJY>  See?!  you ride like you practice!
>
Wrong...my inexperience in that situation led me to make a mistake.  One I'll never make again. I'm saying that you have to *evaluate* the situation and what is best for that...

In a pissed off mood...can't you tell?

LAG


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:46:10 2002
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:43:22 -0500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Rob Winters <rob@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Oh boy!  New toy!

At 08:53 AM 3/5/2002, William J. Huson wrote:
>A bit pricey, but this rig looks kinda cool!
>
>http://www.carver.nl/home.htm

A bit pricey, indeed! 55,000 Euros = $47,800!

Because this is a trike, would it be considered a motorcycle in the U.S.,
therefore you'd have to wear a helmet, even inside that enclosed cockpit?
They advertise otherwise for the home market:

"A detachable hardtop makes the ultimate dream of a bike rider come true:
winding along the roads in just your shirt, no helmet to spoil the fun!"

Just your shirt, huh? I guess pants aren't required in the Netherlands,
either. What a fun place! ;-) I think even Connecticut requires that
motorcyclists wear pants.

  /// Rob

P.S. Join NORPaL, the National Organization for the Repeal of Pants Laws


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 10:54:01 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:53:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

These things aren't back protectors. They may serve
some minor protective duties in the right kind of
fall, but they're really only there for aerodynamic
reasons. There are a number of leathers manufacturers
that make suits with these on them, but they're of
highly questionable use on the street aside from their
pose value.

Chris Weaver


--- hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX> wrote:
>
> 	The back protectors I see on race bikes look like
> half
> of a cone. Is this what your talking about? If so I
> believe the
> protectors are shaped that way for aerodynamic
> reasons while in
> full tuck.
>
> Hugh
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:
>
> >
> > The usual 'street' back protectors seem to be
> shaped along the lines
> > of a persons back.. the ones I've seen on some
> racers,  have a
> > different look. Instead of being shaped like
> someones back, they seem
> > to take an outward curve...   as if you had a
> utility pole made of
> > foam, cut it down to back size, cut it in half so
> that it's half
> > round, and placed the flat part on your back.   It
> kind of looks like
> > it is ample back protection.  I don't know if it's
> used in the US or
> > in other countries, all i know is i've seen it on
> tv.
> >
>


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:06:52 2002
From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles list" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:03:12 -0500

----- Original Message -----
From: "LAURA GRANATO" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
>
> >
> > The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and
> > INCREASE pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the
> > rear as the weight transfers.
>
> OK, people...how many times are we going to debate the damn braking issue?
LOL...
>
> >
> > And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum
> > braking. And it aint easy.
>
> I will say, from my riding experience...MSF is NOT correct in everything
they teach.  I think it's important to remember that MSF is an incredible
way to learn how to safely get started on a bike, but as your riding
progresses, the theories of riding change and how you apply your skills.
>
> > The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so
> > that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use
> > both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it you
> > are screwed.
>
> I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track at
VIR, I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest choice IN
THAT SITUATION...therefore, I crashed.  You need to figure out what is best
for the situation you are in at the time.
>
> LAG

MSF assumes that people are going to ride all sorts of bikes once they
leave the Basic RiderCourse, so the curriculum is designed with that in
mind.  Cruisers brake a lot differently that sportbikes, for instance.  Many
bikes come with ABS or linked brakes these days.  It is also based on
research that
shows underbraking with the front and overbraking with the rear is a major
contributor to street crashes.  Having driven cars, mashing the rear pedal
usually comes naturally to newbies.  Squeezing the front lever brings back
memories
of misadventures on a bicycle, in the form of an over-the-handlebars
somersault.  It's the
basics, not the finer points, that's for sure, and is designed for widest
applicability to "real world" situations among riders of average skill on a
variety of bikes.

With all that in mind let's not get too hung up on percentages.  Let's just
say that on streetbikes, the front provides the majority of your stopping
power throughout the entire braking sequence as the weight shifts forward.
According to the old IG (Instructor Guide) riders were counseled to provide
a progressive squeeze to the front lever and a decreasing pressure on the
rear pedal as they slowed to a "maximum straight-line braking" stop.  That's
true on any bike, but the "percentage" is going to differ based on lots of
factors and where you are in the progressive weight shift.  I try to stay
away from percentages and go with "majority."  That gets the point across
without getting bogged down in technicalities.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F





From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:20:08 2002
Date: 5 Mar 2002 08:20:01 -0800
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Subject: helmet dilemma

I have a dilemma...I have a free bike to ride this weekend to watch the Daytona 200 at Greveys or wherever it is...but no helmet.  I wear an XS.  Here's the dilemma...

Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff?  Go without one?  I'm not quite sure what to do...


How's that for a new twist on the helmet thread???

LAG <---being very sarcastic today...I'll be driving my car on Sunday


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:26:05 2002
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: "LAURA GRANATO" <lgranato@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: helmet dilemma
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:24:38 -0500

> Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff?
>  Go without one?  I'm not quite sure what to do...

ROTFLMAO.

Good one, Laura.

--jon

From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:30:46 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:30:40 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

LAG corrects -

First of all, I don't whine...It was bitching, thank you...

  <DJY>  Oh YEAH?!  My wife has PMDD.  So there ! ;-)



I agree that it's not DC *social*, but why do we run circles around
the same "cycle" issues and never come up with any answers


  <DJY> It's our destiny ?

...here's a challenge, Dave.  Go back and see how many times we've
debated this issue and tell me the outcome of each.

   <DJY> minimum twice per year since <head scratching>...
uh...  '94 or '95?  I seem to remember around '96 or '97 it was a
summer marathon flame fest of brake threads...  give or take a year
or two.  The outcome is always the same - 1 or 2 step up, thumb their
chests because 'they know more than the unwashed masses', some
insults are traded, and it usually goes away in a couple of days.
Sometimes there *IS* a good post or two, or a trinquet of wisdom
embedded in all the fluff.

> I will say, from my riding experience...
>
>
>    <DJY>  How long is that in years & mileage ?

Enough...I know plenty of people who have been riding for eons and
they just plain shouldn't drive a shopping cart at the grocery
store...It doesn't have to do with that type of "experience..."

  <DJY> shopping carts ?  Look, I mow down one lousy customer in
Lowe's with a lumber cart & I'm labeled for life.
Actually, Glenn's original quoted text said something like 'the ratio
isn't important'....  which we've pretty much ignored...
rear brake, no rear brake ; different usage for different venues...


>
>
>    <DJY>  As well as what type of bike you choose.  MSF has to
> account for all types from chopper to race replica and it is a
street course, not how to go fast around a track.

Did I apply my comment to only racing?  NO...didn't think so...

  <DJY> It was a comment, not lobbing shells at you...


>    <DJY>  See?!  you ride like you practice!
>
Wrong...


   <DJY>  can't argue wisdom like that...

Dave


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:38:45 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:38:39 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: re: helmet dilemma

I have a dilemma...I have a free bike to ride ...but no helmet.  I
wear an XS.  Here's the dilemma...

Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff?  Go
without one?  I'm not quite sure what to do...

  <DJY>  Wouldn't tissue be more...  comfortable ?  ;-)
(sorry, no helmets that small in my inventory)...


Dave



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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 11:49:21 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:48:27 -0500 (EST)
From: hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)


	Minimum stopping distance is achieved by using both
brakes. You should apply the rear brake first to settle the
bike an make it squat. Then apply the front brake. If you don't
agree with me you're a freaking MORON!

No thanks necessary just send money,
Hugh



From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 12:27:51 2002
From: "Eric Silberg" <ersilberg@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:27:26 -0500

Maximum breaking occurs when you settle the bike, adjust the weight bias
with your body, then hit a brick wall.  Oh wait, you said braking.
Disregard...




From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 12:33:00 2002
Date: 5 Mar 2002 09:32:49 -0800
To: sdave@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

On Tue, 05 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

>
> LAG corrects -
>
> First of all, I don't whine...It was bitching, thank you...
>
>   <DJY>  Oh YEAH?!  My wife has PMDD.  So there ! ;-)

Your poor wife...she's married to you.  Just kidding! ;-)
>
>
>
>   <DJY> shopping carts ?  Look, I mow down one lousy customer in
> Lowe's with a lumber cart & I'm labeled for life.

question is...did you use the front, rear, or a combination of both brakes? And, how would you handle that situation differently next time?

> Actually, Glenn's original quoted text said something like 'the ratio
> isn't important'....  which we've pretty much ignored...

Of course we have...it wouldn't be right if we actually debated the *real* issue. LOL.

> Wrong...
>
>    <DJY>  can't argue wisdom like that...
>
Of course you can't...just realize the woman is *always* right and you'll be fine.

LAG


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 12:52:21 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:52:19 -0800 (PST)
From: matthew patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I realize the original topic has been largely discarded, but if you
will all turn to your handy-dandy, multi-year MCN index you will find
on P.34 of the March 2000 issue a very well written article with
scientific, and physics based explanation of what is going on. And not
some hearsay or enlightened opinion.

and they say, back issues of MCN aren't worth anything. nor an index
cross-referenced in a usable fashion...

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 13:58:03 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:58:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: Shipping a Motor?
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I'm having a motorcycle motor shipped from California
to here, and seller says it's turning out to cost much
more than originally planned ($300 rather than
$100-120). This seems like far too much and I'm going
to see if I can't find a cheaper way to ship it than
the seller has found.

Has anyone found an inexpensive way to ship small
heavy containers such as this?

Thanks,
Chris Weaver

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 14:49:54 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:49:48 -0500
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

LAG throws a barb -

Your poor wife...she's married to you.  Just kidding! ;-)

  <DJY>  a true glutton for punishment...

> shopping carts ?  Look, I mow down one lousy customer in
> Lowe's with a lumber cart & I'm labeled for life.

question is...did you use the front, rear, or a combination of both
brakes? And, how would you handle that situation differently next
time?

  <DJY> The lumber carts only have a rear brake, so I used it...
That is to say, I pulled the lever, which resulted in no decrease in
velocity.  Planted the 4x4 right between the eyes of that little brat
running through the store unsupervised...  I guess it didn't help
things that I had 300# of asphalt patch on the cart...  I don't know
WHAT they were upset about... I got the kid to stop screaming <jk>



Of course you can't...just realize the woman is *always* right and
you'll be fine.


  <DJY>  Just like Eve was right about the Apple, huh ? ;-)
   I might be fine, but I'll be broke.

Dave


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 15:24:30 2002
Date: 5 Mar 2002 12:24:23 -0800
To: sdave@XXXXXX
From: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes)

On Tue, 05 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote:

>
> LAG throws a barb -
>
> Your poor wife...she's married to you.  Just kidding! ;-)
>
>   <DJY>  a true glutton for punishment...

Must be...maybe that's why I'm not married...haven't found someone willing to put up with my crap. LOL.


>   <DJY> The lumber carts only have a rear brake, so I used it...
> That is to say, I pulled the lever, which resulted in no decrease in
> velocity.  Planted the 4x4 right between the eyes of that little brat
> running through the store unsupervised...  I guess it didn't help
> things that I had 300# of asphalt patch on the cart...  I don't know
> WHAT they were upset about... I got the kid to stop screaming <jk>

Good Lord, I hope you never have kids...or pets, for that matter. ;-)

>
> Of course you can't...just realize the woman is *always* right and
> you'll be fine.
>
>
>   <DJY>  Just like Eve was right about the Apple, huh ? ;-)
>    I might be fine, but I'll be broke.
>

Nothing wrong with a little bit of sin...

LAG


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 16:04:50 2002
Subject: New book - Sportbiking: The Real World 2
From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:04:47 -0500
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
CC: "jaehnej@XXXXXX" <jaehnej@XXXXXX>

Some of you may be familiar with Gary Jaehne's book "Sportbiking: The Real World".

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556308353/qid=3D1015355789/sr3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/102-8926252-9090557

Well, Gary has a sequel out "Sportbiking: The Real World 2".

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556303882/qid=3D1015355789/sr3D1-2/ref=3Dsr_1_2/102-8926252-9090557.

Amazon.com is showing availability "usually ships in 4 to 6 weeks."  But you may also be able to get it directly from Gary and his wife Jill.  I'm taking the liberty of including Jill's email address as a cc to this email (I hope you don't mind, Jill!) if anyone is interested in buying a copy of the book directly from the author.  I'm pretty sure Jill is in charge of the "business end" of distributing the book.  She can tell you how much plus shipping.  And no, I'm not getting any commissions for the sales of the book! %^)

For those who don't know Gary, he is sort of an "icon" in the sportbiking world in Northern California.  He is an accomplished racer (won the AFM 450 Superbike championship on a Kawasaki ZXR400 last year and has other AFM titles) and an instructor for dP Safety School http://www.dpsafetyschool.com (track school run by Dennis Pegelow).  Leads lots of rides from Alice's Restaurant http://www.calhsta.org/library/alices.htm on roads like these http://www.pashnit.com/roads/cal/AlpineRd.htm and does clinics for Doc Wong http://www.docwong.com/st-clinc/index.htm.  I met Gary via the internet and we've become good friends over the years.  He's done a lot to help me become a better rider and have a better understanding of my motorcycle.  Haven't had a chance to ride with him (yet ... and I'm sure I'd have to hustle to keep up!), but have had dinner with him and Jill.  Both are great folks.

I'd highly recommend both books (although I haven't read the second one yet because it's just being sent to me).  I would put them in the "must have" category for sportbike riders who like to ride at a "spirited" pace on "real" roads, but they're also very useful for all motorcycle riders.

Chuck

P.S.  Gary and I do have one thing in common: we've both hit deer while riding our motorcycles (although he's done it more times than me!)

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 19:38:26 2002
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:36:35 -0500
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: LAURA GRANATO <lgranato@XXXXXX>
CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: helmet dilemma



LAURA GRANATO wrote:

> I have a dilemma...I have a free bike to ride this weekend to watch the Daytona 200 at Greveys or wherever it is...but no helmet.  I wear an XS.  Here's the dilemma...
>
> Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff?  Go without one?  I'm not quite sure what to do...

I don't understand - I thought girls were experts at padding out semi-spherical garments?

Bill


From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar  5 20:26:00 2002
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