From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 00:00:15 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:00:06 EST Subject: Re: Bike Quality To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/28/2002 1:01:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rbeatty@XXXXXX writes: > He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200 If it does not tickle your cookies, it aint worth having. Everything else is secondary. Oh and there is always the Buel Blast. It is a Harley??? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 04:54:06 2002 From: JORAU1@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:53:52 EST Subject: Re: Bike Quality To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm 45 years old and up till last June had been riding nothing but Japanese bikes for the last 30 years, currently a 99 Concours and a 85 900 Ninja. For some reason had always lusted after a Sportster. Finally did it and bought a 2001 1200 Sportster. All my riding buddies had told me I would hate it, you know all the stories, it would shake its parts all over the road, oil leak everywhere, break down on a regular basis,etc. Guess what? This bike is the most fun I've had on a motorcycle. It is by far not the fastest or the best handling bike I've ever owned but something about it makes it the best to spend a day roaming the back roads. The handling is decent enough, brakes work well, vibration is actually pleasant until about 70 mph, its a relaxed vibration not a busy buzz like my Concours. Has it been the most reliable bike I've ever owned? No, but it has not been bad, at 4500 miles the rocker box gaskets leaked oil, Harley had updated steel gaskets to fix this and at 5500 the front belt sprocket came loose, new sprocket& nut with locktite. The local dealer Elkridge HD, took me right in and fixed both problems under warranty both time even though I did not buy it there, another thing I was not used to as most Harley dealers I've dealt with seem to really care about your business and your bike. Do it yourself maintenance is easy and parts are cheaper than for my other bikes, and usually in stock. As someone's first bike I don't know, I started years ago on a 400, small and easily maneuverable. The Sportster is 500 pounds and actually has the highest seat height of any Harley. As someone else said I think I would learn on something smaller until I got past the dropping phase. Hope did not ramble to much, John From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 07:32:50 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:32:48 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: re: beginning the gun thread To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX, SBave@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >> Are you also saying that there should be a > criminal penalty > for not securing a firearm in your own home ? > Actually there is if children are present. At least in Va. That one more reason the trigger lock crap is bogus. If you don't have kids, there is no need for a trigger lock. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 07:44:06 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:44:04 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: re: beginning the gun thread To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX, SBave@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX --- "Roy D. Turner, Esq." wrote: > My opinion is let everyone own a gun. This week I > settled a hunting > accident case on behalf of my client for $400K. A > hunter with 25 years of > experience mistook my client for a deer and shot him > in the leg. The injury > was very serious. The accident occurred in the > evening about 5 minutes > before the end of the legal time to hunt. My client > did not have any blaze > orange on, as it is not required during muzzle > loader season. I encourage > everyone to go out and use firearms. Let the > flaming begin. > > Roy D. Turner > www.cfolaw.com > Would you have been happier if he had been shot with a bow? The hunter screwed up and used poor judgement. Just like people who use poor judgement and cause auto accidents, or industrial accidents, or other sporting accidents. Personally I don't hunt. I consider hunting areas a two way rifle range. I think if you get shot while hunting it is an assumed risk. That is like sueing the guy that hit you on the race track. It is all part of the sport. :) If every hunter follows the firearm safety rules, people will not get shot accidently. If everyone follows every traffic rule and regulation, traffic accidents would drop by 99%. Just my take on things. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 07:51:35 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:50:08 -0500 I second that "stay away from competition accessories." I'm in the middle of a similar battle (paid for pants, still no pants, WTF?....and customer service full of shite!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:02 PM > To: cledford@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: new wind screen > > > Hey, > A cheaper and temporary but totally effective alternative to a whole > new screen is a Rifle brand wind deflector. It's like a bug > deflector for a > bike's wind screen. It attaches to the top of the screen, and deflects air > above the rider's head. I see them a lot on dual-sport type > bikes, which are > crap for wind deflection. > > Or, if you want to change the thing bad enough, there are wind > screens with > a lip on the edge that points up, deflecting air like a Rifle > deflector, or > try a Double bubble screen maybe? > > I can only say stay away from Competition Accessories. They suck. They > charged my credit card for a tail trunk bag that was back ordered > for over 2 > months. Customer service reps on the phone were completely worthless, > feeding me BS constantly about "just wait a little longer" type comments, > when it was totally obvious after the fact that they were clueless when or > even if I would ever get my bag. I can't say enough bad things > about how my > business was handled. > > Howard J. Koontz > 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 07:51:54 2002 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Harley 1200 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:51:21 -0500 >I rented one (1200 sporty) along with a BMW R1100 or 1150 (the "new" boxer >twin) for a vacation ride in Arizona with my brother a few years back. Good advice... rent one first. Both Morton's BMW (Spotsylvania) and Bob's (Jessup) accommodate test rides. I don't know about Harley but they might. Arizona rents anything. If you're looking for a great Harley rental in Arizona try Hacienda HD in Scottsdale... awesome store (ahem... boutique). I rode my dads 66 FLH alotta years ago and they have greatly improved... but HD does stuff which bothers me... like dual firing ignitions (when single fire is soooo much more efficient), 70 degree V's, excessive amounts of moving parts....stuff that just grates against my engineering mindset. The owner ends up doing a lot of modification (if they're picky) to get it "right". Plus they are heavy, slowish and must be guarded with vigilance (that may be true of just about any make these days). If I was in the market for a cruiser of that particular genre' I would opt for the Indian Chief (S & S motor) or something with a Rev Tech engine. At least the upgrades (for the most part) have been done and the bike is a turn key mod. gb 78 R80/7 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 08:21:58 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:31:24 -0500 To: From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen) At 07:50 AM 3/1/02 -0500, Jon Strang wrote: >I second that "stay away from competition accessories." > >I'm in the middle of a similar battle (paid for pants, still no pants, >WTF?....and customer service full of shite!) I ordered a ZG Double Bubble windscreen from them on 2/18. No indication that it wasn't in stock or wouldn't ship immediately. Called them yesterday and found out that it isn't in stock and won't ship to me until 3/10. Shitty service, IMO. I should have been informed when I ordered that part. At least when I ordered my Throttlemeister from AZ Motorsports they told me it wasn't in stock and would be 2-3 weeks to ship. I got a notice yesterday that it shipped, approximately 2.5 weeks after ordering. Not bad :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 08:28:09 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Subject: RE: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:26:42 -0500 don't hold your breath on 3/10. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > I ordered a ZG Double Bubble windscreen from them on 2/18. No indication > that it wasn't in stock or wouldn't ship immediately. Called them > yesterday and found out that it isn't in stock and won't ship to me until > 3/10. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 08:37:45 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:47:17 -0500 To: From: Wayne Edelen Subject: RE: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen) At 08:26 AM 3/1/02 -0500, Jon Strang wrote: >don't hold your breath on 3/10. Doh :-\ I wonder if I should call and cancel my order? Decisions, decisions. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 09:15:01 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:59:07 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Bike Quality >>> > But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass a VFR? :) >And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of that missile...LOL Well...er...did I say that? Ok I waved to a Hyabussa once... That whole Concours incident...embarrassing!. George From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 09:30:24 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 06:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Competition Accessories (was RE: new wind screen) To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cancel order with c/a; call zero gravity directly and have the thing shipped today funny, if i didn't see the header i'd think you guys were talking about the lowlifes at motorcycle accessory warehouse.... --- Jon Strang wrote: > don't hold your breath on 3/10. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > > > > I ordered a ZG Double Bubble windscreen from them on > 2/18. No indication > > that it wasn't in stock or wouldn't ship immediately. > Called them > > yesterday and found out that it isn't in stock and > won't ship to me until > > 3/10. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 09:44:44 2002 From: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:43:36 -0500 Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... To: terryo@XXXXXX Cc: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9 |November 16, 2001) at 03/01/2002 09:43:49 AM I can vouch for that. :-) I have a GiVi on my RF900. I was bothered that the wind hit me in the chest/neck and put on the GiVI ... now, it hits me in the head. Doh! (Note: the helibars probably contribute greatly to this). It is not a problem on the twisties, just when running at higher speeds on the open spots (i.e. interstates). However, if you like to tuck down on the tank for the long drones, it is great ... total silence. YMMV, --Chris Terry Onufer on 02/28/2002 06:35:44 PM To: "Ledford, Calvin" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... Cal, for what it's worth, the guy I am buying the 99VFR from had a Givi, but changed back to the stock. He was 5'9, and said the wind hit him square in the head, and the stock was better. I can not speak from personal experience, but it is worth mentioning because this guy is bike nut. TJ "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that > provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" look. > > I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3 > different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa. I was wondering if > listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these > different options. I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems fitting. > I also don't care for how they show the different types on different model > bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on my > bike. Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too. > > Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest > member. > > Thanks, > > -Calvin Ledford > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 10:00:01 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:58:14 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: terryo@XXXXXX, cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... I searched for weeks to find a low windscreen for my Harley FLHS. The astock one, the only size, was way to high. I *hate* looking thru a windscreen, and I detest having to keep one clean enough to see thru! The one I have now, National Cycle I think, is perfect. Yes, the wind does hit the top of my helmet at road speed, and bugs and rain kinda splatter my head and shoulders, but that's no real problem. And I don't have to clean the damn thing! Local schoolkids use the windsceen for research whemn they're studying bugs! Bill christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > I can vouch for that. :-) > > I have a GiVi on my RF900. I was bothered that the wind hit me in the > chest/neck and put on the GiVI ... now, it hits me in the head. Doh! > (Note: the helibars probably contribute greatly to this). It is not a > problem on the twisties, just when running at higher speeds on the open > spots (i.e. interstates). However, if you like to tuck down on the tank > for the long drones, it is great ... total silence. > > YMMV, > --Chris From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 10:42:37 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:42:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and take ac tion. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" --- harry@XXXXXX wrote: > >**************** eManager Notification ***************** > > > >The following mail was blocked since it contains > sensitive content. > > > >Source mailbox: > >dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX(Thedc-cycleslistadministrator) > >Destination mailbox(es): dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Rule/Policy: Profanity > ... > > Kudos to Tom Gimer for triggering the profanity filter at > aopa.org with the phrase "fuck 'em". uh oh... i think i may have trouble here. harry seldom comes out to mix it up.... aopa? hmmmmm... broadstreet, you're a pilot! fess up to bringin granny with ya! > I suppose we can either try to clean up our language, > or else unsubscribe the listers whose mail server is > generating these messages. > > Fuck 'em. Problem solved. whew! :) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 10:52:32 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:45:02 -0500 To: "Rob Keiser" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... I have a Zero Gravity DB on my '98 and I love it. Although, I'm pretty short so the stock one was o.k. too :) (I've attached a pic to you Calvin) At 11:14 PM 2/28/02 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote: >Calvin, > >Don't know about the Targa's, but I've seen a Secdem and it looks like >crap (rough cut lower edge and shit brown color tint) and with the Givi >flip up at the top, you just killed your sporty edge (IMHO). > >I tried hard to get a tinted OEM one from overseas, but didn't have any >luck, and also didn't want to pay the obscene amount to have one imported >from Japan. I ended up going for a Zero Gravity Double Bubble tinted one. >The fit and finish was first rate and it installed in just a few minutes. > >Best place I've seen to get it, Arizona Motorsports with the VFR list >discount: > >http://shop.store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/zergravdoubb.html > >As always: YMMV, no affiliation, yadda yadda yadda > >Let me know if you'd like to see it. > >Rob >'98 Red > >From: "Ledford, Calvin" >To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , >"'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" >Subject: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:44:52 -0500 > > All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that >provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" look. > > I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3 >different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa. I was wondering if >listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these >different options. I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems fitting. >I also don't care for how they show the different types on different model >bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on my >bike. Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too. > > Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest >member. > > Thanks, > > -Calvin Ledford > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 11:35:08 2002 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:34:59 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C13F.075EAC70 Calvin, Another possibility is Zero Gravity's Sport-Tour screen.. Which is taller (I THINK) than the double bubble.. I have it installed on my 99. However, being short, I think the wind now hits me in the head.. But it is easier to tuck behind. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Ledford, Calvin [mailto:cledford@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:45 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'vfr-digest@XXXXXX' Subject: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... All, I'd like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that provides a little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" look. I did a search through the archive and found what appears to be 3 different vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa. I was wondering if listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about these different options. I saw some posts that the Secdems had problems fitting. I also don't care for how they show the different types on different model bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling for how each would look on my bike. Suggestions of where to purchase would be helpful too. Please CC my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest member. Thanks, -Calvin Ledford ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C13F.075EAC70 RE: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please...

Calvin,

Another possibility is Zero Gravity's Sport-Tour = screen.. Which is taller (I THINK) than the double bubble.. I have it = installed on my 99.  However, being short, I think the wind now = hits me in the head.. But it is easier to tuck behind.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Ledford, Calvin [mailto:cledford@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:45 PM
To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; = 'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'
Subject: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions = please...


        All, I'd = like to replace my current stock wind screen with one that provides a = little more wind protection, while maintaining a "sporty" = look.

        I did a = search through the archive and found what appears to be 3 different = vendors - Givi, Secdem (SP?), and Targa.  I was wondering if = listers would send me their comments - favorable or otherwise about = these different options.  I saw some posts that the Secdems had = problems fitting. I also don't care for how they show the different = types on different model bikes as it is difficult to get a true feeling = for how each would look on my bike.  Suggestions of where to = purchase would be helpful too.

        Please CC = my email account at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest member.

        Thanks,

        -Calvin = Ledford

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C13F.075EAC70-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 11:49:37 2002 From: "Ledford, Calvin" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: '98-01 VFR Windscreen suggestions please... Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:48:48 -0500 All, I wanted to post this to the list for anyone interested in 1998-2001 VFR crash guards. Attached is my email inquiry for ordering information, and the reply. Review and installation information can be found at: http://www.hondavfr.com/reviews/hps.html -Calvin '00 VFR800 Interceptor '84 VF500F Interceptor (For sale) > I have a 2000 model VFR - could you send me the ordering information? > > Thanks, > > -Calvin Ledford > Virginia, USA > Dear Calvin Many thanks for your enquiry by e-mail. I have pleasure in detailing our prices and other information below. VFR800Fi HPS Heavy Duty Crash Protectors M-#79.15 Shipping costs to the USA M-#32.20 Total order value M-#111.35 Available for immediate despatch. 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Regards Graham Beardsmore ------------------------------------------------------- Graham Beardsmore Sales Department ------------------------------------------------------- Harwood Performance Source New Street EUR Alfreton EUR Derbyshire DE55 7BP EUR England Tel UK: 0870 774 7740 Tel International: +44177 383 11 22 Fax UK: 0870 774 7741 Fax International: +44177 383 10 40 e-mail: grahamb@XXXXXX Web: www.bikehps.com -------------------------------------------------------- Company Registration No: 2658610 VAT Registration No: 125 7136 82 -------------------------------------------------------- HPS is a division of Gordon Harwood Computers Limited Quotations are valid for 5 days from the date of issue and are subject to availability and delivery option chosen at customerM-9s request and cost. ManufacturersM-9 specifications and HPS prices are correct at time of going to press; however, they may fluctuate and we therefore reserve the right to amend them - please confirm prices before ordering. E.&O.E. > -Calvin Ledford From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 12:15:27 2002 From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 02/28/02 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:15:20 -0500 As a new rider, I would have to say that I am glad that I went with the "who cares if it gets dropped" model, before moving up to something prettier. (Although now that it's mine, I have grown attached to my old Sooz, and try not to let it fall down TOO much!) Another benefit of this type of bike is that they are usually a good middle-of-the-road performer, and can help a new rider decide which direction he or she wants to take with his or her next bike. BEFORE I started riding, I was dead set on the Harley cruiser, but after riding a little bit I have decided that I want more performance, and have been eying a nice ZX-6 as the next step in my M/C evolutionary ladder. Anyway, that's my newbie advice. Start small and ratty to learn on, then decide which way to go from there. John Stevens '77 Suzuki GS750 Waldorf, MD _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:54:30 -0500 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Bike Quality --=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA I have a friend who's looking into purchasing his first bike, a cruiser. He fell in love with the Harley XL 1200. I don't have much of an opinion on Harleys. Can you please send your responses? I told him that most get off on the name and that I've heard that they lack in quality. --=_B8E5F7FC.5D3C7EFA From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 12:18:16 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:18:09 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: FJR1300 Comes to the USA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yamaha has announced as of noon, eastern time that they are bringing the FJR1300 to the U.S. http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1 Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6. After posting a banner for the last week touting "The Super Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard luggage!? Bait and switch! The FJ looks like a great bike - don't get me wrong - but I'm highly disappointed. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 12:42:48 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: MSF digest Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:46:05 -0500 >From SabMag with snippage: "My VFkR is history. On my way home from the "Dragon" Monday, some stupid in a pickup rear-ended me as the line of traffic in front of me was coming to a stop. She was doing about 60mph at impact, and I was nearly stopped. [Mirror check is a Good Thing(TM) Lotsa local loonies linked -- and distracted -- by cell phones, audio equipment, . . .] "After fracturing my spine on her hood, I was launched into the tailgate of the pickup in front of me, which I grabbed hold to and held on till I was dragged to a stop." I always say there are two kinds of bikers... those who have crashed, and those who are going to. I guess I was way over due for a crash, 36 years of riding without a serious injury. Maybe this will last me for another 36 years...... Guys, don't skimp on your safety equipment. I don't think anything I could have done would have prevented my back injury, but my leathers and quality helmet positively prevented additional serious owwies in this crash. [Safety Gear sermon # 43] Or "Itz a wonder he din't brek hiz nek cuz he wuz weren' a helmut." From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 13:05:48 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'wayne@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bike Quality Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:09:10 -0500 Wayne Edelen responded to "You gotta love the Harley culture, Do they not wave to Sportsters also?" with, "You gotta love it when people generalize :-)" Aye, there're jerks on many brands (tho IMHO, more jerks seem to gravitate to the "image" brands e.g. Lexus, Jaguar, . . .) Once on the Cherahola, I saw a bunch of HD riders lining themselves up at a stop to take a picture. I pulled in and volunteered to click their cameras so everyone could be in their pictures. When they got ready, I said, "Smile, say Honda". Got several good pictures and a good chat after that. Turned out most of them owned rice burners "It's nice to have a bike to get parts with" said one. "It's not what you ride, but that you ride." Carl in Brr-thesda (waves at scooters and bicycles) " . . . the weather being less thermally enhanced then a Wicca nursing apparatus . . ." John W From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 13:38:54 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:38:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris Weaver wrote: > http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1 > > Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6. After > posting a banner for the last week touting "The Super > Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out > with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard > luggage!? Bait and switch! Nope. Wolf in sheep's clothing. :) I think the FJR just might rock your world, Chris. I'm glad to see it's coming (finally) to the States. I hope it lasts as long as the Connie has. It sure looks worthy. :) Horkster -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 14:00:09 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gotta agree with the Horkster on this one. An exciting real sport tourer is more needed in the USA than another sportsbike. Not that I don't like sportsbikes, but we in the USA always seem to get shafted when it comes to the niche market bikes. Now if I just had money. Honda ST1300, FJR1300, hmm... Keith --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Chris Weaver wrote: > > > > http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1 > > > > Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6. > After > > posting a banner for the last week touting "The > Super > > Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out > > with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard > > luggage!? Bait and switch! > > Nope. Wolf in sheep's clothing. :) > > I think the FJR just might rock your world, Chris. > I'm glad to see it's coming (finally) to the States. > I hope it lasts as long as the Connie has. It sure > looks worthy. :) > > Horkster > -- > Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX > > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 14:00:09 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gotta agree with the Horkster on this one. An exciting real sport tourer is more needed in the USA than another sportsbike. Not that I don't like sportsbikes, but we in the USA always seem to get shafted when it comes to the niche market bikes. Now if I just had money. Honda ST1300, FJR1300, hmm... Keith --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Chris Weaver wrote: > > > > http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/products.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&rdir=1 > > > > Many sportbike fans were hoping for the new R6. > After > > posting a banner for the last week touting "The > Super > > Sport World Will Never Be the Same," they come out > > with a !@#$ sport tourer with shaft drive and hard > > luggage!? Bait and switch! > > Nope. Wolf in sheep's clothing. :) > > I think the FJR just might rock your world, Chris. > I'm glad to see it's coming (finally) to the States. > I hope it lasts as long as the Connie has. It sure > looks worthy. :) > > Horkster > -- > Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX > > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 14:45:47 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:45:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA To: Keith Lamond Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Keith Lamond wrote: > > Gotta agree with the Horkster on this one. > > An exciting real sport tourer is more needed in the > USA than another sportsbike. Not that I don't like > sportsbikes, but we in the USA always seem to get > shafted when it comes to the niche market bikes. > > Now if I just had money. Honda ST1300, FJR1300, > hmm... Problem is, not everyone is gonna run out and buy a new FJR right away. Some of us are gonna hang around, see what the major bitches/complaints are, see if there are any serious technical flaws/glitches with the bike, before we consider switching over. If Yammie isn't wowed by their sales figures the first couple of years, they could drop the bike, right about the same time it starts to develop a real following. I hope that scenario doesn't happen, but it has in the past (Suzi GSX1100G, Yammie GTS-1000, a couple others). So all you squids, go out and buy one. Let us know how you like it. Sell them to us cheap, and go buy some more. :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 14:49:45 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:48:55 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Question about replacing solenoid A friend is replacing the starter solenoid(Sp?) on his ZX6E and says the batter cables attach to the solenoid but doesnt know if it matters which batter cable goes to which end of the solenoid. One end of the solenoid is marked M and the other is marked B. Thanks Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 15:03:46 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "hcaldwell" , Subject: RE: Question about replacing solenoid Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:02:20 -0500 Hugh, This help? http://www.drintense.com/solenoid_diagram.htm M motor (goes to ground after it goes through starter motor) B Battery '+' terminal should also be a "S" for switch (the '+' wire from the starter switch) > -----Original Message----- > From: hcaldwell [mailto:hcaldwell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:49 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Question about replacing solenoid > > > > A friend is replacing the starter solenoid(Sp?) on his > ZX6E and says the batter cables attach to the solenoid > but doesnt know if it matters which batter cable goes to > which end of the solenoid. One end of the solenoid is marked M > and the other is marked B. > > Thanks > Hugh > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 15:07:35 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:07:26 -0500 Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Problem is, not everyone is gonna run out and buy > a new FJR right away. Some of us are gonna hang around, > see what the major bitches/complaints are, see if there > are any serious technical flaws/glitches with the bike, > before we consider switching over. It has been out in Europe for some time now....should be a fairly good base of info on it out there. Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 15:22:26 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:22:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sean Jordan wrote: > It has been out in Europe for some time now....should be a fairly good > base of info on it out there. Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in Europe are actually saying. "It's the dog's bollocks!" WTF? :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 16:20:54 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: speaking of back injuries and protectors Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:22:32 -0500 I've noticed some racers (on tv) and maybe one or two riders on the street have back protectors that seem pretty much larger than the usual, and they seem to extend upwards to possibly protect against whiplash. Can anyong give me any more info on these? Thanks Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 16:49:15 2002 Date: 1 Mar 2002 13:49:08 -0800 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors On Thu, 28 February 2002, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > I've noticed some racers (on tv) and maybe one or two riders on the > street have back protectors that seem pretty much larger than the > usual, and they seem to extend upwards to possibly protect against > whiplash. > how do you mean larger? Mind goes from the top of my shoulders all the way to my tailbone...what is the "usual"? LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 16:49:38 2002 From: jessiev@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For Sale: Motorcycle 400cc - Annapolis, Maryland Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:51:15 -0500 On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:01:05 -0500, in md.forsale "JV" wrote: Annapolis, Maryland - Motorcycle - 1980 400cc Yamaha Special. Good condition. Runs well. Garage kept. Low Mileage Metzler tires. Electric/kick start. GREAT starter motorcycle. Asking $700 or best reasonable offer. Please do not hit your reply button to answer ad.Please e-mail jessiev@XXXXXX Pictures available upon request. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 17:10:35 2002 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:10:04 EST Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_198.3111bc0.29b1563c_boundary horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in > Europe are actually saying. "It's the dog's bollocks!" WTF? :) LOL...one of the motorcycle mags did a ride on one around Germany a couple of months ago. From what I remember the complains were abrupt fuel injection and turbulence from the windscreen despite it being adjustable. They LOVED the motor... Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_198.3111bc0.29b1563c_boundary horkster@XXXXXX writes:


Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in
Europe are actually saying.  "It's the dog's bollocks!"  WTF?  :)


  LOL...one of the motorcycle mags did a ride on one around Germany a couple of months ago. From what I remember the complains were abrupt fuel injection and turbulence from the windscreen despite it being adjustable. They LOVED the motor...

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9
--part1_198.3111bc0.29b1563c_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 17:14:51 2002 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:14:07 EST Subject: Re: ScanMail Message: To Recipient Match eManager setting and take ac tion. To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_b2.7665909.29b1572f_boundary t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > aopa? hmmmmm... broadstreet, you're a pilot! fess up to > bringin granny with ya! > LOL Yep...I'm a member. But being a computer idiot (among other things) I have no idea how that message would get sent to the list by me just being a member...I don't use them for e-mail or use the web site as my home page. Ideas anyone? Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_b2.7665909.29b1572f_boundary t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:


aopa?  hmmmmm...  broadstreet, you're a pilot!  fess up to
bringin granny with ya!

  LOL   Yep...I'm a member. But being a computer idiot (among other things) I have no idea how that message would get sent to the list by me just being a member...I don't use them for e-mail or use the web site as my home page. Ideas anyone?

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9
--part1_b2.7665909.29b1572f_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 17:19:09 2002 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:18:53 EST Subject: Re: Bike Quality To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_107.dcd131b.29b1584d_boundary George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: > >>> > > But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass > a VFR? :) > >And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of > that missile...LOL > > Well...er...did I say that? Ok I waved to a Hyabussa once... > > That whole Concours incident...embarrassing!. Don't be embarrassed...that mistake could be made by anyone. :) And don't worry about the Busa riders...they are just embarrassed that their bike is so ugly...LOL (kidding Wayne and Doug)! Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_107.dcd131b.29b1584d_boundary George.Cole@XXXXXX writes:

>>> <SBave@XXXXXX><SNIP>
> But George, Aren't you the same guy who said a Concours could never pass a  VFR?  :)
>And Eye Abuser rides don't wave because they are too scared to let go of that  missile...LOL

Well...er...did I say that? Ok I waved to a Hyabussa once...

That whole Concours incident...embarrassing!.


  Don't be embarrassed...that mistake could be made by anyone.  :)
And don't worry about the Busa riders...they are just embarrassed that their bike is so ugly...LOL     (kidding Wayne and Doug)!

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9


--part1_107.dcd131b.29b1584d_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 18:44:54 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:54:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Bike Quality At 05:18 PM 3/1/02 EST, you wrote: >>>> And don't worry about the Busa riders...they are just embarrassed that their bike is so ugly...LOL (kidding Wayne and Doug)! Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 Bastards! :-) All you guys only get a look at the taillights. You should see the front some time! ;-) ;-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 19:40:59 2002 From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC VFR head count Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:29:30 +0000 Hey, The other day (about 10 days ago) I saw a yellow vfr on NY avenue, in NE DC. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone in this list lives downtown DC. Ciao, Pierfrancesco _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 1 22:13:59 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:13:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: cbr600 with givi To: DC Cycles > http://wolfcentral.net/norcalcog/f4givi.htm This is a pretty sweet setup for a lowly chain drive bike, I must admit. :) Horkster -- Same old Hork, but new email: horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 2 03:32:26 2002 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:32:23 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Review: Harbor Freight MC tire changer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Some months back there was a flurry of interest in the MC tire changer from Harbor Freight. Some people bought the unit which turned out to be only 1/2 of what you needed. Recently I had opportunity to acquire the base unit (actually for car tires) for 1/2 price from HB, and got the MC specific piece for $20 which was ten less than catalogue. So for the cost of what one of those 'home grown' internet specials would have cost me (excluding the DIY 2x4 projects), I got a very, very nice unit. Breaking beads with the bead breaker is so trivial it's almost a let-down. I used to struggle with the likes of big C-clamps or the Dennis-Kirk 'jaw' thingy. What a waste that was! Once placed on the tripod arms and the wheel firmly clamped in place, one can do all sorts of work on the wheel at a comfortable height. Be it rotor replacement, bearing removal and insertion or cleaning or polishing the rim itself. That capability itself is worth the price of admission, IMO. With the provided 3+ foot bar one can easily get the bead over the top but that's where I ran into a snag. Maybe car tires allow you to energetically pull on the bar to 'walk' it around the rim to pry up the bead. I couldn't do it, the wheel kept spinning under me. So I had to break out my trusty tire irons to help things along. If they had provided some kind of fulcrum to rotate about, that would have been perfect. Getting beads on and off can require a bit of force and this is where the only drawback rears it's head. The base is designed to be anchored into a concrete floor with bolts, so the dinky feet aren't near long enough to provide good stability when just placed as is. Given the price ($65 total) this was a very good buy and if you change tires a lot I would give it a hearty recommendation. So, can anyone tell me how I can put bolts into a concrete floor after the fact without doing a lot of obvious damage to the surface? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 2 10:34:54 2002 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: beginning the gun thread - Plus Helmets, Too! Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:20:45 -0500 > My client did not have any blaze orange > on, as it is not required during muzzle loader season. While not required, it does tend to support Darwin's theories. Helmets aren't required in a lot of states - prudence dictates that they be worn. Should your client opt to wander about the woods in hunting season without taking sensible precautions... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 2 11:10:42 2002 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:08:54 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Review: Harbor Freight MC tire changer matthew patton wrote: > So, can anyone tell me how I can put bolts into a concrete floor after > the fact without doing a lot of obvious damage to the surface? > Magic? The method I use to anchor whatever to concrete is to drill a hole with a carbide drill bit designed for concrete. This requires sweat and cussing or a big-ass drill, like a 1/2 inch motha. The hole size is determined by the lag bolt size which determines the hole diam required to accept a lead anchor lag. Pound lag anchors in hole, line up stand, bop the lag bolts to get them started, and wrench away! Any damge - i.e. holes - can be easily patched if needed when you remove the stand. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 2 15:24:26 2002 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:22:39 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: FREE! >From the dusty depths of my garage emerged a box containing gas welding stuff. Looks like hoses, maybe two heads and two gauge sets with some sort of valving gizmos. No tanks. Oh yeah, a pocket set of "tip cleaners" that appears to have a variety of tiny round files therein. I'm a sparky welder, have no use for this stuff, and no clue how usable it is, but it's FREE to the first person who hauls it away! Location Annandale VA close to Backlick & Braddock, 1 mile inside the beltway Braddock Rd exit. Call for exact directions... ho (703) 256-3115 Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 2 18:36:02 2002 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:34:26 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FJR1300 Comes to the USA For my money, the UK and Euro journos write a hell of a lot better than their American counterparts. More willing to be critical. More colorful language. Political correctness pretty much thrown out the window. And their mags aren't afraid to sex and motorcycles, which is as it should be! And if you don't get "dog's bollocks" Dale, then you just don't get it -- but then again, you LIKE shaft drive! %^) Chuck FZR600 track bike w/lights currently in streetfighter guise, license plate DGZBLX horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah, but you've then gotta translate what those twits in > Europe are actually saying. "It's the dog's bollocks!" WTF? [:)] From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 3 07:35:24 2002 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:33:37 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: more FREE stuff! One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker design, 5 bolt pattern. Tires included. Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage :-) Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 3 13:51:17 2002 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:51:14 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: more FREE stuff! To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Bill: Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and make me a moto trailer? Thanks buddy! Mark --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker > design, 5 bolt > pattern. Tires included. > > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage > :-) > > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 3 15:13:05 2002 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:11:18 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mark Kitchell CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: more FREE stuff! HA! I do sparky welding, not gas, but my Lincoln welder is ready to zap metal. Sometime this spring/summer I'm going to build a bike(s) hauler. Soon as the steel fairy drops a load of tube stock in my yard. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Bill: > > Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and > make me a moto trailer? Thanks buddy! > > Mark > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker > > design, 5 bolt > > pattern. Tires included. > > > > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage > > :-) > > > > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115 > > > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 3 18:21:18 2002 From: "Laura Granato" To: "Tight Squeeze Racing" , , "Sam Heim" , , , "Mark S. Simone" , "James Gaal" , "Donnie Tingle" , "David Salvaggio" , , "audrey gia" , "Brian McCoy" , Subject: My GS Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:30:57 -0500 Thanks to Wayne for putting the picture of my GS up in his site. Check her out and if you know anyone who is interested and wants to find out more, let me know. Thanks! http://www.blueblackbusa.org/laura_gs.jpg Laura http://laura.dcc-racing.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 01:23:19 2002 Subject: Mark Walker is Out of the Office From: Mwalker3@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:03:08 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 03/04/2002 01:06:11 AM I will be out of the office starting 03/01/2002 and will not return until 03/06/2002. I will be reading my e-mail and will reply to your message as soon as possible. Thank you. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 08:48:02 2002 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:48:00 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Marhefsky Subject: Painter Recommendation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just picked up a rear hugger for my Tiger and I'd like to get it painted to match the rest of the bodywork. Any recommendations on a painter? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 09:09:42 2002 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:07:02 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: For Sale 92 Zephyr 750 1992 Kawasaki Zephyr 750 $ 2000.00 appx 25K mileage See photos at http://photos.yahoo.com/gfacter Zephyr folder I bought this bike as a Winter resto project. Its mostly completed. I replaced the Battery, gas tank, completely rebuilt carbs (new jets, needles, gaskets etc) oil/filter, spark plugs and wires, and many other bits and prices. New tires. shop manual. The bike runs excellent, is easy to ride and has a very low seat height. Please contact me for more details. Regards, George Cole 301-523-4161 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 09:27:55 2002 Subject: RE: Painter Recommendation From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:27:48 -0500 To: "bmarhefsky@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Noah at Better Off Bodyworks. Down in the Triangle/Dumfires, VA area. Don't have his phone number handy. But he does all the paint and body repair work for Crossroads Cycles. Call them (703) 820-3711 and I'm sure they can tell you his phone number. Noah painted my GSXR before my deerhunter accident http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Brian Marhefsky bmarhefsky@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:48:00 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Painter Recommendation Just picked up a rear hugger for my Tiger and I'd like to get it painted to match the rest of the bodywork. Any recommendations on a painter? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 10:11:55 2002 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500 From: Shawn Brand Subject: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also, the lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP notorious for marketing junk? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 10:29:46 2002 Date: Mon Mar 04 10:28:41 2002 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC VFR head count To: , Don't own a vfr but, i live in downtown dc. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 10:33:41 2002 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:30:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC VFR head count At , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Don't own a vfr but, i live in downtown dc. Own a VFR, but don't live downtown. Work down there every once in a while. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 11:01:45 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , , Subject: Re: DC VFR head count Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:56:36 -0500 Whoever it was, it wasn't me. Mine's red. "Winterman," a sometime poster to DCC, lives in DC and has a yeller VFR. Paul in DC (near downtown) 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > Don't own a vfr but, i live in downtown dc. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 11:39:50 2002 Date: 4 Mar 2002 08:39:44 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: Daytona Congrats Just wanted to tell everyone to congratulate Keener and Roach for kicking some butt down in Daytona. I know Roach took third in an endurance race and Keener won at least one of his class races. Way to go boys! Laura (<--counting the days until racing season starts for me) http://laura.dcc-racing.org ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 11:59:22 2002 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:59:21 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Can someone tape the races for me? To: DC Cycles Well, after 7 Bike Weeks in a row, I finally have to miss one. Cox Cable only broadcasts Speed Channel for 8 hours a day, so there is way too much racing that I will miss. Can anyone out there with a satellite tape the races for me? I would be forever indebted! Fri 2-3 750SS 4-5 600SS Sat 1-5 Supercross Sun 8-10 WSBK 1030-1130 AMA 250GP 1230-330 Daytona 200 In fact, if someone does tape the races, I might be able to put together a group TV night to watch the 200. I think my apartment complex has a room with a big screen that residents can use. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 12:23:40 2002 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:17:16 -0500 I have the flush mounts on my CBR and yes, they do market junk. I had to wrap the innards with electrical tape to keep it from shorting out. That's what the fast blink is telling you. Take the things completely apart. Make sure all the connections are good and wrap the wires in tape. I seem to recall that the wire colors were not consistent. Make sure the positive is really the positive wire, etc. Worked for me (after a while). Good luck. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Shawn Brand asked: Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also, the lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP notorious for marketing junk? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 12:26:45 2002 From: "Carlos Ambrosini" To: shawn.brand@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:15:04 -0500 did you get the double filament ones or just the single? >From: Shawn Brand >Reply-To: shawn.brand@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights >Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500 > >Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the >wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also, >the >lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP >notorious for marketing junk? > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 12:47:18 2002 Subject: RE: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:50:10 -0500 To: "shawn.brand@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Shawn, I've also found that the LP flush mounts seem to run "hot." But I haven't had any lenses melt ... yet. I'm not an elecrical wizard, but it probably has to do with them drawing more amps or whatever than stock turn signals. Could probably be fixed with a resistor or something. I'm sure someone ont he list could explain and provide a (hopefully easy) solution As to them flashing too fast. Are you running LP marker lights all around? Or a set of stock signals (or a different set of marker lights) in front/back? I'm going to guess that you're running different wattage bulbs. All the bulbs need to be the exact same wattage, otherwise they'll blink at a faster rate. This might also happen if you're only running lights/blinkers in one location. And are you running 2-wire (blnkers only) or 3-wire (running lights/blinkers)? If you don't need the running light function, just run a 2-wire set-up as blinkers only. This may (or may not) help with the lights running too hot. Let me know how you do with this problem as I'd defintely be interested in knowing what solution(s) you come up with. Chuck P.S. Have you talked with the folks at LP at all??? Original Message: ----------------- From: Shawn Brand shawn.brand@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lockhart-Phillips flush mount marker lights Has anyone had luck with LP marker lights? I believe that I connected the wiring correctly and the damn lenses melt. This is my second pair. Also, the lights blink more rapidly than when the stock lights were mounted. Is LP notorious for marketing junk? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 15:41:06 2002 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:41:04 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: angled valve stems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I thought dennis kirk used to carry a fairly wide variety of valve stems but their recent catalogue has only 1 type now. do the screw together variety work fine? Is there a decent source of these things? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 18:45:16 2002 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:45:09 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Braking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm forwarding this on from a friend of mine. Thought it was interesting. Glenn A few months ago there was an interesting discussion on the YZF list about rear braking. Some guys were quoting their MSF instructors (60/40 power split, rear is very important), and I differed in opinion, stating that those instructions apply more to average riders/bikes, not our short-wheelbase sportbikes, etc. This racing instructor offered his opinion below. Interesting: "Someone mentioned that 60% of your braking is applied with the front brakes - that's completely wrong - over 90% of the braking is applied with the front brakes. I've taken both the MSF and Code schools and am currently have an expert race license and am instructor at the Keith Code Calif Superbike School. "Most people do not use the front brakes to their fullest. One of the drills we do at the school during the 2 day camp is locking up the front brakes, getting the feel of what that shutter feels like, then letting off. During hard braking, the rear of my bike is off the ground or very, very light, so rear braking at that point is of no use. Most racers understand that more than 90% of your braking is done by the front and stay off the rear unless they run off the track. I can trail-brake the front end most of the way into a corner - knee on the ground, but if you touch the rear leaned over, its bye-bye rear end. "The point is get proficient at using the front brakes to their maximum potential - the rear brake will get you into trouble more times than not, and here's another tip - the throttle will get you out of trouble with 99% of the problems you get into." Terry Embury Hi-Side Racing - The Racer's Source __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 20:32:13 2002 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:26:50 -0500 From: "Scott Luttrell" To: , , , CC: , , Having a Bad Day? Read this----- A man was working on his motorcycle on the patio, his wife nearby in the kitchen. While racing the engine, the motorcycle accidentally slipped into gear. The man, still holding onto the handlebars, was dragged along as it burst through the glass patio doors. His wife, hearing the crash, ran in the room to find her husband (cut and bleeding), the motorcycle, and the shattered patio door. She called for an ambulance and, because the house sat on a fairly large hill, went down the several flights of stairs to meet the paramedics and escort them to her husband. While the attendants were loading her husband, the wife managed to right the motorcycle and push it outside. She also quickly blotted up the spilled gasoline with some paper towels and tossed them into the toilet. After being treated and released, the man returned home, looked at the shattered patio door and the damage done to his motorcycle. He went into the bathroom and consoled himself with a cigarette while attending to his business. About to stand, he flipped the butt between his legs. The wife, who was in the kitchen, heard a loud explosion and her husband screaming. Finding him lying on the bathroom floor with his trousers blown away and burns on his buttocks, legs and groin, she once again phoned for an ambulance. The same paramedic crew was dispatched. As the paramedics carried the man down the stairs to the ambulance they asked the wife how he had come to burn himself. She told them. They started laughing so hard, one slipped, tipping the stretcher and dumping the husband out. He fell down the remaining stairs, breaking his arm. Still having a bad day? Just remember, it could be worse... The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were being released back into the wild amid cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later, in full view, a killer whale ate them both. A woman came home to find her husband in the kitchen shaking frantically, with some kind of wire running from his waist towards the electric kettle. Intending to jolt him away from the deadly current, she whacked him with a handy plank of wood, breaking his arm in two places. Until that moment, he had been happily listening to his Walkman. STILL think you're having a bad day? Two animal rights protesters were protesting at the cruelty of sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn, Germany. Suddenly, all two thousand pigs broke loose and escaped through a broken fence, stampeding madly. The two hapless protesters were trampled to death. Iraqi terrorist Khay Rahnajet didn't pay enough postage on a letter bomb. It came back with "return to sender" stamped on it. Forgetting it was the bomb, he opened it and was blown to bits. There now, feeling better? The gene pool could use a little chlorine Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at fastandwily.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 20:57:35 2002 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/03/02 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:54:38 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "The dc-cycles list administrator" To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/03/02 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:33:37 -0500 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: more FREE stuff! > > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker design, 5 bolt > pattern. Tires included. > > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage :-) > > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115 > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:51:14 -0800 (PST) > From: Mark Kitchell > Subject: Re: more FREE stuff! > To: "William J. Huson" , > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > > Bill: > > Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and > make me a moto trailer? Thanks buddy! > > Mark > > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker > > design, 5 bolt > > pattern. Tires included. > > > > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage > > :-) > > > > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115 > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:11:18 -0500 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Mark Kitchell > CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: more FREE stuff! > > HA! I do sparky welding, not gas, but my Lincoln welder is ready to zap > metal. Sometime this spring/summer I'm going to build a bike(s) > hauler. Soon as the steel fairy drops a load of tube stock in my yard. > > Bill > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Bill: > > > > Can you take the welding equipment, these wheels and > > make me a moto trailer? Thanks buddy! > > > > Mark > > > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > One pair of 13" galvanized trailer wheels, spoker > > > design, 5 bolt > > > pattern. Tires included. > > > > > > Bill again - trying to find the floor of my garage > > > :-) > > > > > > Still in Annandale, call (703) 256-3115 > > > > > > > ===== > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sent: 3 Mar 2002 23:21:09 GMT > From: "Laura Granato" > To: "Tight Squeeze Racing" , > , "Sam Heim" , > , , "Mark S. Simone" , > "James Gaal" , > "Donnie Tingle" , "David Salvaggio" , > , "audrey gia" , > "Brian McCoy" , > Subject: My GS > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:30:57 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > Thanks to Wayne for putting the picture of my GS up in his site. Check her > out and if you know anyone who is interested and wants to find out more, let > me know. Thanks! > > http://www.blueblackbusa.org/laura_gs.jpg > > Laura > http://laura.dcc-racing.org > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 21:00:58 2002 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Braking Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:01:11 -0500 Glenn rubbed 2 sticks together... A few months ago there was an interesting discussion on the YZF list about rear braking. Some guys were quoting their MSF instructors (60/40 power split, rear is very important), and I differed in opinion, stating that those instructions apply more to average riders/bikes, not our short-wheelbase sportbikes, etc. This racing instructor offered his opinion below. Interesting: Oh boy... here we go... I'll bet if Harry let's the AOPA guy back on, we'll be flooded with 'content rejected' messages, some of them not even set off by Gimer ;-) "Someone mentioned that 60% of your braking is applied with the front brakes - that's completely wrong - over 90% of the braking is applied with the front brakes. On what bike ? what's the weight threshold & bias for this statement to be true ? ... "Most people do not use the front brakes to their fullest. we know, now move on to something new... One of the drills we do at the school during the 2 day camp is locking up the front brakes, getting the feel of what that shutter feels like, then letting off. During hard braking, the rear of my bike is off the ground or very, very light, so rear braking at that point is of no use. BTDTGTTS. Most racers understand that more than 90% of your braking is done by the front ...blah, blah, blah.. the rear brake will get you into trouble more times than not, ... the throttle will get you out of trouble with 99% of the problems you get into." hmm... The nice deputy's eyes glassed over when I tried to explain this to him on the side of the road. I realized he wasn't buying it and said... 'never mind. I've got a clean record, would you write me a warning?' He did. Terry Embury Hi-Side Racing - The Racer's Source Not sure I like the idea of taking riding advice from someone materially involved in 'Hi Side racing'... ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 21:05:24 2002 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Braking. Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:02:29 -0500 ---Glenn Dysart Wrote--- I'm forwarding this on from a friend of mine. Thought it was interesting. Glenn "The point is get proficient at using the front brakes to their maximum potential - the rear brake will get you into trouble more times than not, and here's another tip - the throttle will get you out of trouble with 99% of the problems you get into." ----------------------------------------------------------------- At the risk of setting things on fire.....a lot of good this will do you linked and ABS brake types. I personally don't do much racing on the street nor do any of my bikes have an ABS or are linked so, I will continue to use my rear brakes. ;-) Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 22:31:49 2002 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:29:52 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Glenn Dysart CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking Glenn offers us the opinion of an apparently professional race bike ridewr RE front/rear brake power distribution. Hooey. Bull-pucky. Let us suppose the perfect braking distance from say 60 could be established for any given bike. We'll call that 100% efficient. I'll venture a guess that very few of the folks on this list could exceed 80% of perfection even using both brakes and tossing out a drag anchor. This is called real life situation. I've heard a variety of percentage ratios bandied about in and out of MSF classes. The purpose of stating a F/R ratio is to introduce a novice to the fact that wieght transfer puts more of the action on the front. Back in 1960 my driver's ed class taught me that, not exactly a new idea. The actual ratio isn't that important, save for testy discussion purposes. Use both brakes, test the limits, avoid situations that will test your limits. Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > I'm forwarding this on from a friend of mine. Thought > it was interesting. > > Glenn > > A few months ago there was an interesting discussion > on the YZF list about rear braking. Some guys were > quoting their MSF instructors (60/40 power > split, rear is very important), and I differed in > opinion, stating that those instructions apply more to > average riders/bikes, not our short-wheelbase > sportbikes, etc. This racing instructor offered his > opinion below. Interesting: > > "Someone mentioned that 60% of your braking is applied > with the front brakes - that's completely wrong - over > 90% of the braking is applied with the front brakes. > I've taken both the MSF and Code schools and am > currently have an expert race license and am > instructor at the Keith Code Calif Superbike School. > > "Most people do not use the front brakes to their > fullest. One of the drills we do at the school during > the 2 day camp is locking up the front brakes, > getting the feel of what that shutter feels like, then > letting off. During hard braking, the rear of my bike > is off the ground or very, very light, so > rear braking at that point is of no use. Most racers > understand that more than 90% of your braking is done > by the front and stay off the rear unless > they run off the track. I can trail-brake the front > end most of the way into a corner - knee on the > ground, but if you touch the rear leaned over, its > bye-bye rear end. > > "The point is get proficient at using the front brakes > to their maximum potential - the rear brake will get > you into trouble more times than not, and here's > another tip - the throttle will get you out of trouble > with 99% of the problems you get into." > > Terry Embury > Hi-Side Racing - The Racer's Source > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 4 22:51:53 2002 From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: Braking Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:51:56 -0500 Bill contributes - ... Hooey. Bull-pucky. just what we would expect ;-) Let us suppose the perfect braking distance from say 60 could be established for any given bike. We'll call that 100% efficient. I'll venture a guess that very few of the folks on this list could exceed 80% of perfection even using both brakes and tossing out a drag anchor. This is called real life situation. WHAT?! Knee dragging can occur in real life... while using 90% front brake and no rear because it's off the ground... It could happen ... :-) ...The actual ratio isn't that important, save for testy discussion purposes. Use both brakes, test the limits, avoid situations that will test your limits. Sure, be the voice of reason, Bill. I was hoping for some real entertainment with the 'hooey & bull-pucky' opening... Only to be heart broken as you douse the flames of our budding brake thread with water. maybe somebody will come along and save it... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 01:23:57 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:26:27 -0500 The usual 'street' back protectors seem to be shaped along the lines of a persons back.. the ones I've seen on some racers, have a different look. Instead of being shaped like someones back, they seem to take an outward curve... as if you had a utility pole made of foam, cut it down to back size, cut it in half so that it's half round, and placed the flat part on your back. It kind of looks like it is ample back protection. I don't know if it's used in the US or in other countries, all i know is i've seen it on tv. anyone know anything about them? |>how do you mean larger? Mind goes from the top of my shoulders all the way to my tailbone...what is the "usual"? From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 01:28:47 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: FREE! Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:31:17 -0500 If no one takes you up on the offer you might want to put it on ebay. If i recall correctly that stuff sells for about $100 there. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 01:50:09 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:52:39 -0500 |>new idea. The actual ratio isn't that important, save for testy |>discussion purposes. Use both brakes, test the limits, avoid situations |>that will test your limits. It's my opinion that use of the back brake under emergency braking will cause the bike to sway and wobble and be unsettled, (and of course possibly low side) where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight and even. A quick release of the front brake and one is than in a bettter position to switch to a steering away strategy. (which is actually preferable in the first place IMO) Of course there are vices and virtues to any braking style... I tend to use front brakes mostly, and use rear brakes for some low speed stuff, and questionable traction stuff. (rain, wetness, grass, gravel, city stop lights when i'm not doing endos) :) What's my recomendation to any new sport bike rider? on the highway use the front brakes. On the curves don't use brakes. And use the rear brake in afore mentioned times. Of course even if your'e perfect with brakes doesnt mean you can avoid accidents. It's nice to slow down your velocity though when you're about to be ejected off your vehicle and travel in an uncontrolled manner. Less traveling distance, less impact, less chance for impact. I actually would like to have a range to practice achieving the perfect braking distance.. that would be fun. Danny 01 gsxr 750 00 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 07:42:28 2002 From: Gaske David G DLVA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: angled valve stems Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:42:23 -0500 The new Triumphs come with them, try one of there dealers and see what they have. They are 90' bends, very handy for getting around the brake discs. David Gaske 2000 Triumph Sprint RS <-- in the faster yellow -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:41 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: angled valve stems I thought dennis kirk used to carry a fairly wide variety of valve stems but their recent catalogue has only 1 type now. do the screw together variety work fine? Is there a decent source of these things? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 08:55:05 2002 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:53:17 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Oh boy! New toy! A bit pricey, but this rig looks kinda cool! http://www.carver.nl/home.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 09:02:33 2002 From: "Thomas Zell" To: Subject: Shameless puppy advertisement. ;-) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:03:35 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1C424.A24A9C70 Hi everyone! Coming out of continual lurk mode. For those of you that remember we had a litter of pups back in 2000. Well they're back again! Hera and Red Stripe are the proud parents of ten bouncing baby pit bull puppies! Our house is once again filled with the happy little cries of nursing little pups. The puppies will be available for sale at the end of the first week of May. They will not be available to folks living in Prince George's County as they are (needlessly) considered illegal there. Price will be $500 a pup which will get you a game-bred ADBA registered little bundle of joy. Our dogs are wonderful and are true American Pit Bull Terriers. not the backyard-bred crap that you read about in the news. They are also small dogs weighing generally less than 50 pounds. They are excellent companion dogs. Jeannette and I can be contacted at (703) 931-9143. Thanks! Tom '86 VFR750 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1C424.A24A9C70

Hi everyone!

 

Coming out of continual lurk = mode…

 

For those of you that remember we had a litter of = pups back in 2000.  Well they’re back again!  Hera and Red Stripe = are the proud parents of ten bouncing baby pit bull puppies!  Our house is = once again filled with the happy little cries of nursing little pups.  =

 

The puppies will be available for sale at the end of = the first week of May.  They will not be available to folks living in = Prince George’s County as they are (needlessly) considered = illegal there.  Price will be $500 a pup which will get you a game-bred = ADBA registered little bundle of joy.  Our dogs are wonderful and are = true American Pit Bull Terriers… not the backyard-bred crap that you = read about in the news.  They are also small dogs weighing generally = less than 50 pounds.  They are excellent companion dogs.

 

Jeannette and I can be contacted at (703) = 931-9143.

 

Thanks!

Tom

’86 VFR750

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1C424.A24A9C70-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 09:03:22 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:03:15 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: Oh boy! New toy! Bill tipped us off - A bit pricey, but this rig looks kinda cool! http://www.carver.nl/home.htm Needs about 140 more horsepower... ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 09:06:48 2002 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:06:02 EST Subject: Re: Daytona Congrats To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_76.185dcccd.29b62aca_boundary > > Just wanted to tell everyone to congratulate Keener and Roach for kicking > some butt down in Daytona. I know Roach took third in an endurance race > and Keener won at least one of his class races. Way to go boys! > I won GT Lights & Lightweight Superbike. :-) Thanks! Steve --part1_76.185dcccd.29b62aca_boundary

Just wanted to tell everyone to congratulate Keener and Roach for kicking some butt down in Daytona.  I know Roach took third in an endurance race and Keener won at least one of his class races.  Way to go boys!


I won GT Lights & Lightweight Superbike.  :-)  Thanks!

Steve
--part1_76.185dcccd.29b62aca_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 09:14:56 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:14:41 -0500 Subject: Re: From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 08:26 , Scott Luttrell wrote: > Having a Bad Day? Read this----- > Blah, blah, blah > > There now, feeling better? Urban/Internet legends, every one...... amusing stories, though. Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 09:19:44 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:19:38 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Danny opined - It's my opinion that use of the back brake under emergency braking will cause the bike to sway and wobble and be unsettled, (and of course possibly low side) How so ? where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight and even. If your front wheel takes 'over 100% of the braking force' that would be a front wheel skid. A quick release of the front brake and one is than in a bettter position to switch to a steering away strategy. (which is actually preferable in the first place IMO) Of course there are vices and virtues to any braking style... I tend to use front brakes mostly, and use rear brakes for some low speed stuff, and questionable traction stuff. (rain, wetness, grass, gravel, city stop lights when i'm not doing endos) :) What about stoppies ? ;-) ... I actually would like to have a range to practice achieving the perfect braking distance.. that would be fun. Use an infrequently travelled road, or a store parking lot before anyone gets there... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 09:29:32 2002 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:29:09 EST Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_27.23c04046.29b63035_boundary In a message dated 3/5/02 9:21:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by > removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight > and even. Uh...only if your suspension is is set up nicely. Otherwise you can have the front end wiggling around under you. Most street rider do NOT have the front suspension set up well. The technique of braking and letting off and making a course correction then braking again. The MSF course teaches it. Keener --part1_27.23c04046.29b63035_boundary In a message dated 3/5/02 9:21:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes:

where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by
removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight
and even.


Uh...only if your suspension is is set up nicely.  Otherwise you can have the front end wiggling around under you.  Most street rider do NOT have the front suspension set up well.   The technique of braking and letting off and making a course correction then braking again.  The MSF course teaches it.

Keener
--part1_27.23c04046.29b63035_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 09:42:06 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:41:46 EST Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX While riding down the street the motorcycles weight is distributed about 50/50 (It varies bike to bike, and situation to situation. (Acceleration can result in 0% front and 100% rear.) but 50/50 is close enough for discussion.) That means that the braking available is 50/50 _at the moment braking starts_ If you go for 100% braking at that moment you will lock the front wheel. A BAD THING! Yes you can get 100% at the front wheel but only AFTER 100% of the bikes weight transfers to the front wheel. The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and INCREASE pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the rear as the weight transfers. And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum braking. And it aint easy. The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it you are screwed. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 09:51:04 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:50:54 EST Subject: Re: angled valve stems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think the Honda GL1500 uses 90deg. valve stems. Expensive I am sure, but they use em. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 09:54:40 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:54:35 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) John pokes a marshmallow into the flames -- While riding down the street the motorcycles weight is distributed about 50/50 (It varies bike to bike, and situation to situation. ...That means that the braking available is 50/50 _at the moment braking starts_ If you go for 100% braking at that moment you will lock the front wheel. A BAD THING! Yes you can get 100% at the front wheel but only AFTER 100% of the bikes weight transfers to the front wheel. At which point, your rear wheel is completely unweighted & in the process of lofting if not already airborne. It looks cool, but can get out of hand very easily. The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and INCREASE pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the rear as the weight transfers. And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum braking. And it aint easy. The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it you are screwed. Sage advice. good points all. Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 10:10:05 2002 Date: 5 Mar 2002 07:09:57 -0800 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) > > The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and > INCREASE pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the > rear as the weight transfers. OK, people...how many times are we going to debate the damn braking issue? LOL... > > And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum > braking. And it aint easy. I will say, from my riding experience...MSF is NOT correct in everything they teach. I think it's important to remember that MSF is an incredible way to learn how to safely get started on a bike, but as your riding progresses, the theories of riding change and how you apply your skills. > The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so > that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use > both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it you > are screwed. I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track at VIR, I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest choice IN THAT SITUATION...therefore, I crashed. You need to figure out what is best for the situation you are in at the time. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 10:21:16 2002 From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Cc: "Herb Manell (E-mail)" , "Justin Lemrow (E-mail)" , "Rob Keiser (E-mail)" , "Richard Sperry (E-mail)" Subject: COTU III Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:20:10 -0800 Calling all northern Va VFR riders. It's time to start planning for the ride to COTU3. I'll volunteer to be the focal point for organizing the trip if others are interested in getting a northern VA group together. Contact me off-list if interested. The COTU3 web site is http://users1.ee.net/adwvfr/cotu/cotu3.htm Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 10:26:20 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:25:26 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors The back protectors I see on race bikes look like half of a cone. Is this what your talking about? If so I believe the protectors are shaped that way for aerodynamic reasons while in full tuck. Hugh On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > The usual 'street' back protectors seem to be shaped along the lines > of a persons back.. the ones I've seen on some racers, have a > different look. Instead of being shaped like someones back, they seem > to take an outward curve... as if you had a utility pole made of > foam, cut it down to back size, cut it in half so that it's half > round, and placed the flat part on your back. It kind of looks like > it is ample back protection. I don't know if it's used in the US or > in other countries, all i know is i've seen it on tv. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 10:34:24 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:34:18 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) LAG whines - OK, people...how many times are we going to debate the damn braking issue? LOL... This is DC *CYCLES* not DC *SOCIAL* we'll debate the brake issue until the list is extinct :-) I will say, from my riding experience... How long is that in years & mileage ? MSF is NOT correct in everything they teach. I think it's important to remember that MSF is an incredible way to learn how to safely get started on a bike, but as your riding progresses, the theories of riding change and how you apply your skills. As well as what type of bike you choose. MSF has to account for all types from chopper to race replica and it is a street course, not how to go fast around a track. > The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so > that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always > use both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it > you are screwed. I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track at VIR, I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest choice IN THAT SITUATION...therefore, I crashed. See?! you ride like you practice! And just where *IS* Glenn in all this ? he started it ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 10:39:09 2002 Date: 5 Mar 2002 07:39:02 -0800 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) On Tue, 05 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > LAG whines - First of all, I don't whine...It was bitching, thank you... > This is DC *CYCLES* not DC *SOCIAL* we'll debate the brake > issue until the list is extinct :-) I agree that it's not DC *social*, but why do we run circles around the same "cycle" issues and never come up with any answers...here's a challenge, Dave. Go back and see how many times we've debated this issue and tell me the outcome of each. > > > I will say, from my riding experience... > > > How long is that in years & mileage ? Enough...I know plenty of people who have been riding for eons and they just plain shouldn't drive a shopping cart at the grocery store...It doesn't have to do with that type of "experience..." > > > As well as what type of bike you choose. MSF has to > account for all types from chopper to race replica and it is a street > course, not how to go fast around a track. Did I apply my comment to only racing? NO...didn't think so... > > See?! you ride like you practice! > Wrong...my inexperience in that situation led me to make a mistake. One I'll never make again. I'm saying that you have to *evaluate* the situation and what is best for that... In a pissed off mood...can't you tell? LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 10:46:10 2002 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:43:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Oh boy! New toy! At 08:53 AM 3/5/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >A bit pricey, but this rig looks kinda cool! > >http://www.carver.nl/home.htm A bit pricey, indeed! 55,000 Euros = $47,800! Because this is a trike, would it be considered a motorcycle in the U.S., therefore you'd have to wear a helmet, even inside that enclosed cockpit? They advertise otherwise for the home market: "A detachable hardtop makes the ultimate dream of a bike rider come true: winding along the roads in just your shirt, no helmet to spoil the fun!" Just your shirt, huh? I guess pants aren't required in the Netherlands, either. What a fun place! ;-) I think even Connecticut requires that motorcyclists wear pants. /// Rob P.S. Join NORPaL, the National Organization for the Repeal of Pants Laws From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 10:54:01 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:53:55 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX These things aren't back protectors. They may serve some minor protective duties in the right kind of fall, but they're really only there for aerodynamic reasons. There are a number of leathers manufacturers that make suits with these on them, but they're of highly questionable use on the street aside from their pose value. Chris Weaver --- hcaldwell wrote: > > The back protectors I see on race bikes look like > half > of a cone. Is this what your talking about? If so I > believe the > protectors are shaped that way for aerodynamic > reasons while in > full tuck. > > Hugh > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > The usual 'street' back protectors seem to be > shaped along the lines > > of a persons back.. the ones I've seen on some > racers, have a > > different look. Instead of being shaped like > someones back, they seem > > to take an outward curve... as if you had a > utility pole made of > > foam, cut it down to back size, cut it in half so > that it's half > > round, and placed the flat part on your back. It > kind of looks like > > it is ample back protection. I don't know if it's > used in the US or > > in other countries, all i know is i've seen it on > tv. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 11:06:52 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:03:12 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" > > > > > The practical offshoot of that _fact_ is Apply BOTH brakes and > > INCREASE pressure on the front brake while DECREASING pressure on the > > rear as the weight transfers. > > OK, people...how many times are we going to debate the damn braking issue? LOL... > > > > > And that ladies and gentlemen is how MSF tells us to gain maximum > > braking. And it aint easy. > > I will say, from my riding experience...MSF is NOT correct in everything they teach. I think it's important to remember that MSF is an incredible way to learn how to safely get started on a bike, but as your riding progresses, the theories of riding change and how you apply your skills. > > > The only way to gain enough skill at using your brakes properly so > > that you can use them to full effect in an emergency is to always use > > both brakes every time you stop. If you have to think about it you > > are screwed. > > I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track at VIR, I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest choice IN THAT SITUATION...therefore, I crashed. You need to figure out what is best for the situation you are in at the time. > > LAG MSF assumes that people are going to ride all sorts of bikes once they leave the Basic RiderCourse, so the curriculum is designed with that in mind. Cruisers brake a lot differently that sportbikes, for instance. Many bikes come with ABS or linked brakes these days. It is also based on research that shows underbraking with the front and overbraking with the rear is a major contributor to street crashes. Having driven cars, mashing the rear pedal usually comes naturally to newbies. Squeezing the front lever brings back memories of misadventures on a bicycle, in the form of an over-the-handlebars somersault. It's the basics, not the finer points, that's for sure, and is designed for widest applicability to "real world" situations among riders of average skill on a variety of bikes. With all that in mind let's not get too hung up on percentages. Let's just say that on streetbikes, the front provides the majority of your stopping power throughout the entire braking sequence as the weight shifts forward. According to the old IG (Instructor Guide) riders were counseled to provide a progressive squeeze to the front lever and a decreasing pressure on the rear pedal as they slowed to a "maximum straight-line braking" stop. That's true on any bike, but the "percentage" is going to differ based on lots of factors and where you are in the progressive weight shift. I try to stay away from percentages and go with "majority." That gets the point across without getting bogged down in technicalities. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 11:20:08 2002 Date: 5 Mar 2002 08:20:01 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: helmet dilemma I have a dilemma...I have a free bike to ride this weekend to watch the Daytona 200 at Greveys or wherever it is...but no helmet. I wear an XS. Here's the dilemma... Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff? Go without one? I'm not quite sure what to do... How's that for a new twist on the helmet thread??? LAG <---being very sarcastic today...I'll be driving my car on Sunday ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 11:26:05 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Subject: RE: helmet dilemma Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:24:38 -0500 > Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff? > Go without one? I'm not quite sure what to do... ROTFLMAO. Good one, Laura. --jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 11:30:46 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:30:40 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) LAG corrects - First of all, I don't whine...It was bitching, thank you... Oh YEAH?! My wife has PMDD. So there ! ;-) I agree that it's not DC *social*, but why do we run circles around the same "cycle" issues and never come up with any answers It's our destiny ? ...here's a challenge, Dave. Go back and see how many times we've debated this issue and tell me the outcome of each. minimum twice per year since ... uh... '94 or '95? I seem to remember around '96 or '97 it was a summer marathon flame fest of brake threads... give or take a year or two. The outcome is always the same - 1 or 2 step up, thumb their chests because 'they know more than the unwashed masses', some insults are traded, and it usually goes away in a couple of days. Sometimes there *IS* a good post or two, or a trinquet of wisdom embedded in all the fluff. > I will say, from my riding experience... > > > How long is that in years & mileage ? Enough...I know plenty of people who have been riding for eons and they just plain shouldn't drive a shopping cart at the grocery store...It doesn't have to do with that type of "experience..." shopping carts ? Look, I mow down one lousy customer in Lowe's with a lumber cart & I'm labeled for life. Actually, Glenn's original quoted text said something like 'the ratio isn't important'.... which we've pretty much ignored... rear brake, no rear brake ; different usage for different venues... > > > As well as what type of bike you choose. MSF has to > account for all types from chopper to race replica and it is a street course, not how to go fast around a track. Did I apply my comment to only racing? NO...didn't think so... It was a comment, not lobbing shells at you... > See?! you ride like you practice! > Wrong... can't argue wisdom like that... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 11:38:45 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:38:39 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: helmet dilemma I have a dilemma...I have a free bike to ride ...but no helmet. I wear an XS. Here's the dilemma... Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff? Go without one? I'm not quite sure what to do... Wouldn't tissue be more... comfortable ? ;-) (sorry, no helmets that small in my inventory)... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 11:49:21 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:48:27 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Minimum stopping distance is achieved by using both brakes. You should apply the rear brake first to settle the bike an make it squat. Then apply the front brake. If you don't agree with me you're a freaking MORON! No thanks necessary just send money, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 12:27:51 2002 From: "Eric Silberg" To: Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:27:26 -0500 Maximum breaking occurs when you settle the bike, adjust the weight bias with your body, then hit a brick wall. Oh wait, you said braking. Disregard... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 12:33:00 2002 Date: 5 Mar 2002 09:32:49 -0800 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) On Tue, 05 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > LAG corrects - > > First of all, I don't whine...It was bitching, thank you... > > Oh YEAH?! My wife has PMDD. So there ! ;-) Your poor wife...she's married to you. Just kidding! ;-) > > > > shopping carts ? Look, I mow down one lousy customer in > Lowe's with a lumber cart & I'm labeled for life. question is...did you use the front, rear, or a combination of both brakes? And, how would you handle that situation differently next time? > Actually, Glenn's original quoted text said something like 'the ratio > isn't important'.... which we've pretty much ignored... Of course we have...it wouldn't be right if we actually debated the *real* issue. LOL. > Wrong... > > can't argue wisdom like that... > Of course you can't...just realize the woman is *always* right and you'll be fine. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 12:52:21 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:52:19 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I realize the original topic has been largely discarded, but if you will all turn to your handy-dandy, multi-year MCN index you will find on P.34 of the March 2000 issue a very well written article with scientific, and physics based explanation of what is going on. And not some hearsay or enlightened opinion. and they say, back issues of MCN aren't worth anything. nor an index cross-referenced in a usable fashion... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 13:58:03 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:58:02 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Shipping a Motor? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm having a motorcycle motor shipped from California to here, and seller says it's turning out to cost much more than originally planned ($300 rather than $100-120). This seems like far too much and I'm going to see if I can't find a cheaper way to ship it than the seller has found. Has anyone found an inexpensive way to ship small heavy containers such as this? Thanks, Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 14:49:54 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:49:48 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) LAG throws a barb - Your poor wife...she's married to you. Just kidding! ;-) a true glutton for punishment... > shopping carts ? Look, I mow down one lousy customer in > Lowe's with a lumber cart & I'm labeled for life. question is...did you use the front, rear, or a combination of both brakes? And, how would you handle that situation differently next time? The lumber carts only have a rear brake, so I used it... That is to say, I pulled the lever, which resulted in no decrease in velocity. Planted the 4x4 right between the eyes of that little brat running through the store unsupervised... I guess it didn't help things that I had 300# of asphalt patch on the cart... I don't know WHAT they were upset about... I got the kid to stop screaming Of course you can't...just realize the woman is *always* right and you'll be fine. Just like Eve was right about the Apple, huh ? ;-) I might be fine, but I'll be broke. Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 15:24:30 2002 Date: 5 Mar 2002 12:24:23 -0800 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) On Tue, 05 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > LAG throws a barb - > > Your poor wife...she's married to you. Just kidding! ;-) > > a true glutton for punishment... Must be...maybe that's why I'm not married...haven't found someone willing to put up with my crap. LOL. > The lumber carts only have a rear brake, so I used it... > That is to say, I pulled the lever, which resulted in no decrease in > velocity. Planted the 4x4 right between the eyes of that little brat > running through the store unsupervised... I guess it didn't help > things that I had 300# of asphalt patch on the cart... I don't know > WHAT they were upset about... I got the kid to stop screaming Good Lord, I hope you never have kids...or pets, for that matter. ;-) > > Of course you can't...just realize the woman is *always* right and > you'll be fine. > > > Just like Eve was right about the Apple, huh ? ;-) > I might be fine, but I'll be broke. > Nothing wrong with a little bit of sin... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 16:04:50 2002 Subject: New book - Sportbiking: The Real World 2 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:04:47 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" CC: "jaehnej@XXXXXX" Some of you may be familiar with Gary Jaehne's book "Sportbiking: The Real World". http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556308353/qid=3D1015355789/sr3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/102-8926252-9090557 Well, Gary has a sequel out "Sportbiking: The Real World 2". http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556303882/qid=3D1015355789/sr3D1-2/ref=3Dsr_1_2/102-8926252-9090557. Amazon.com is showing availability "usually ships in 4 to 6 weeks." But you may also be able to get it directly from Gary and his wife Jill. I'm taking the liberty of including Jill's email address as a cc to this email (I hope you don't mind, Jill!) if anyone is interested in buying a copy of the book directly from the author. I'm pretty sure Jill is in charge of the "business end" of distributing the book. She can tell you how much plus shipping. And no, I'm not getting any commissions for the sales of the book! %^) For those who don't know Gary, he is sort of an "icon" in the sportbiking world in Northern California. He is an accomplished racer (won the AFM 450 Superbike championship on a Kawasaki ZXR400 last year and has other AFM titles) and an instructor for dP Safety School http://www.dpsafetyschool.com (track school run by Dennis Pegelow). Leads lots of rides from Alice's Restaurant http://www.calhsta.org/library/alices.htm on roads like these http://www.pashnit.com/roads/cal/AlpineRd.htm and does clinics for Doc Wong http://www.docwong.com/st-clinc/index.htm. I met Gary via the internet and we've become good friends over the years. He's done a lot to help me become a better rider and have a better understanding of my motorcycle. Haven't had a chance to ride with him (yet ... and I'm sure I'd have to hustle to keep up!), but have had dinner with him and Jill. Both are great folks. I'd highly recommend both books (although I haven't read the second one yet because it's just being sent to me). I would put them in the "must have" category for sportbike riders who like to ride at a "spirited" pace on "real" roads, but they're also very useful for all motorcycle riders. Chuck P.S. Gary and I do have one thing in common: we've both hit deer while riding our motorcycles (although he's done it more times than me!) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 19:38:26 2002 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:36:35 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet dilemma LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I have a dilemma...I have a free bike to ride this weekend to watch the Daytona 200 at Greveys or wherever it is...but no helmet. I wear an XS. Here's the dilemma... > > Do I borrow a larger size and just stuff it with socks and stuff? Go without one? I'm not quite sure what to do... I don't understand - I thought girls were experts at padding out semi-spherical garments? Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 20:26:00 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:25:58 -0500 (EST) FROM: clinton7 SUBJECT: Getting information on a particular. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0086_0146E4CE.F6E4CE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Canon XXXX Default) or Canon XXXX Properties dialog box. The mouse pointer changes to "?". 2. Click the item you want to know more about. A simple explanation appears. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA= ------=_NextPart_000_0086_0146E4CE.F6E4CE30-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 21:14:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g262EOO29163 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA32170 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:14:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020305212403.03ca56a4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:24:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Throttlemeister Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Got my throttle lock from AZ Motorsports the other day and decided to install it tonight. Really easy to install and it seems to work as advertised. Testing tonight included sitting on the bike and going inside the garage :-) (it's damn cold outside) I'm not a big fan of the aluminum look, might have to remove them to paint or powdercoat them black. Pics - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/mods/throttlemeister/ Next up - ZG Double Bubble (should be in later this week - in time for riding this weekend!) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 5 21:48:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fc.Capaccess.org (fc.capaccess.org [151.200.199.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g262mQO29672 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:48:26 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:47:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <031e01c1c46b$04ac9ad0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> In-Reply-To: <031e01c1c46b$04ac9ad0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Perhaps some folks might measure their stopping distances, alternating between using both brakes and using front brake only. More evidence, less theory. (This has undoubtedly already been done, in which case it's just a matter of finding the data.) --garcia "Don't bother me with facts. I've already made up my mind." From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 09:17:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from msnawa58.usi.net (msnawa58.usi.net [209.135.43.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26EHtO11089 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by msnaex05.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:17:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Diep, Tuan (Washington)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: CBR600 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:17:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone know what scheduled maintenance a 95-97 CBR-F3 with 15,000-20,000 miles needs and how much it will cost? Please also let me know if you see a '95-97 CBR-F3 for sale. Thanks. Tuan From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 10:09:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26F9mO12009 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GSK001014S4DA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:09:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GSK00MLX4S3E2@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:09:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSK003014R9YF@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:09:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GSK00MOW4R6HH@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:09:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:09:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) To: garcia oliver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C863110.59A802EF@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <031e01c1c46b$04ac9ad0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> garcia oliver wrote: > > Perhaps some folks might measure their stopping distances, alternating > between using both brakes and using front brake only. More evidence, less > theory. (This has undoubtedly already been done, in which case it's just a > matter of finding the data.) We had an impromptu braking course set up once at one of Leon's Circles sessions a couple years ago, set up marks on the pavement corresponding to certain distances, etc. etc. We had at least one wipeout by someone locking the front and having it tuck, and everyone sort of lost interest in the exercise after that. If someone wants to practice hard braking, go ahead, but be careful. It can be too easy to identify the limits of your bike the hard way. Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 10:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11102.mail.yahoo.com (web11102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26FEoO12112 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:14:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020306151444.46518.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.116.158.40] by web11102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:14:44 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:14:44 -0800 (PST) From: Ulrich Boser Reply-To: ulrich@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200203060001.g2601GJ26905@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, I got a ticket last night in DC for parking within 40 feet of a curb - what the fuck? How could one park anywhere? Does anyone know anything about this law? I had heard something about it being repealed. I took pictures and would love to contest it. Thanks! ub __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 11:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26GmrO13919 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020306164852.CRR17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:48:52 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2a.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020306164851.VSKU3450.dcmail2a@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:48:51 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:46:53 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269863601B2@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:49:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The parking rules in DC seem to change block-by-block and the ticket-writers don't always know what's what. The distance you need to be from an intersection depends on what kind of intersection it is; you have to be farther away when it is a bigger intersection, etc. Also they make you park farther away from the intersection if it is a school zone, so drivers can have a better chance of seeing the little kids in the crosswalk. They count it as a school zone if it is the "usual" route between the school and the Metro, or the school and the major bus line, so even if you don't see a school around, you might be in a school zone. Basically if there is no sign saying No Parking, you can contest your ticket. Just take the ticket and the pictures to 65 K Street NE and usually they just drop them the same day. Even if it is not legally a spot, if the sign is missing they will drop the ticket too. FYI the parking "police" (I use that term very lightly) do not seem to know the laws very well. Especially the finer points like how long after registering the car/bike you get to have it inspected (you are supposed to be able to park on the street for X number of days with no inspection sticker and not get a ticket). If you ever think the parking ticket you got is in error, it's always good to at least ask the DMV because a lot of times you will be right. Most of the parking ticket info is at dmv.dc.gov; very fine points are not here but the rules/procedure for contesting a ticket are. Good luck! From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 12:37:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h012.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26HbnO14844 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 29881 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 09:37:42 -0800 Date: 6 Mar 2002 09:37:42 -0800 Message-ID: <20020306173742.29880.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Mar 2002 17:37:42 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Mar 2002 09:37:42 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: Daytona 200 Gathering Who all is planning to go? Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 12:56:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26HueO15172 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GSK00801CI9ZK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:56:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GSK007D2CI91Z@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:56:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GSK00I01CI32H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:56:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GSK00H2XCHRNC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:56:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:56:22 -0500 From: Sean jordan Subject: Paging Howard Koontz To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <7827E07B-312B-11D6-9340-003065B452D2@wcom.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Howard, shoot me an email if you'd be so kind...thanks! Regards, Sean Jordan Systems Analyst WORLDCOM From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 12:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26HvvO15254 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w024 ([168.144.108.24]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:58:01 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Daytona 200 Gathering Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:59:04 -0500 To: "lgranato@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 17:58:01.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[751D75F0:01C1C538] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g26HvwO15255 Me! Since it was my idea and I organized it, I figure it's probably a good idea if at least I show up. Hopefully, Karen and Marin will be there too (but it's right in the middle of Marin's normal nap time). Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: LAURA GRANATO lgranato@XXXXXX Date: 6 Mar 2002 09:37:42 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Daytona 200 Gathering Who all is planning to go? Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 13:54:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [66.160.20.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26IshO16285 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:54:40 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E569@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Daytona 200 Gathering Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:54:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm planning on it, but I too have a tiny munchkin who runs the schedule. On the good side though, she's still small enough to fit into the tankbag :) Cedric Me! Since it was my idea and I organized it, I figure it's probably a good idea if at least I show up. Hopefully, Karen and Marin will be there too (but it's right in the middle of Marin's normal nap time). Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 14:07:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26J7bO16570 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:07:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020306190735.43423.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:07:35 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:07:35 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: RE: Daytona 200 Gathering To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there a Daytona 200 gathering somewhere around DC to watch the 200 on Sunday? If so could you please let me know where, as my cable company doesn't start showing Speed Channel until after 5. Does anyone out there with a satellite plan on taping the races? If so could I please get a copy? I MUST watch all of the races, it's kind of a sickness really. 600, 750, 250, Supercross, you name it, I go nuts if I don't get to watch them. And don't even get me started on World Superbikes and GP1!!! --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Me! Since it was my idea and I organized it, I > figure it's probably a good idea if at least I show > up. Hopefully, Karen and Marin will be there too > (but it's right in the middle of Marin's normal nap > time). > > Chuck > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: LAURA GRANATO lgranato@XXXXXX > Date: 6 Mar 2002 09:37:42 -0800 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Daytona 200 Gathering > > > Who all is planning to go? > > Laura > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 14:35:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26JZ4O17104 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:35:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020306193501.10458.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:35:01 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:35:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020306151444.46518.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Ulrich Boser wrote: > Hello, > > I got a ticket last night in DC for parking within 40 > feet of a curb - what the fuck? How could one park > anywhere? i think i speak for most of the listers when i request that you please watch your language. please remember that there are innocent little children on this list.... e.g., sean jordan, chuck pena, etc. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 14:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26JhjO17231 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from cypher ([141.156.240.237]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020306194338.QIR7755.out009.verizon.net@cypher> for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:43:38 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Anyone want a 2002 Dainese Catalog? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:43:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c1c547$373ed8a0$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Fresh from Rome, brought it back if anybody wants it, free for the taking... Robby C From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 15:09:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26K99O17662 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:09:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020306200907.96702.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:09:07 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020306173742.29880.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Barring an unforeseen disaster, I will be there, hopefully with my fiance. They will have Speed on from 12:30-3:30, loud enough so we can hear it? 12:30 at grevey's in falls church/fairfax area. I have the same sickness you do, and no cable right now... --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Who all is planning to go? > > Laura > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 15:31:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13405.mail.yahoo.com (web13405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.63]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26KVWO18066 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:31:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020306203123.20780.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.49.65.85] by web13405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:31:23 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:31:23 -0800 (PST) From: rdrdr Reply-To: rydin@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 97' BMW F650ST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: rydin@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1521096075-1015446683=:20762" --0-1521096075-1015446683=:20762 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you... :-) Its time to sell. I'm leaving the country VERY shortly and I need to sell my beloved Beemer. Details: Blue 1997' BMW F650ST, approx. 23,000 miles. It is well taken care of but has a few scratches. It has a new rear tire and new chain. Steel braided front brake line, Wudo adjustable brake lever, heated grips, and a BMW 12V plug. I did most of the work on it myself, I have all the receipts and records. For those not familiar with this bike: Its the street version of the F650 Funduro, about 1" lower suspension with street wheels and tires and a slightly different look. It has a 1 cylinder Rotax engine. This bike is great fun. I've ridden it as a commuter and as a tourer. Really friendly, lots of fun, and very comfortable. You can view the bike at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album Contact me by email at rydin@XXXXXX or by phone at 301-585-0104. I'll be out of town this weekend but I'll try and check my email anyway. I'll be back Sunday evening. Niv --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! --0-1521096075-1015446683=:20762 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you... :-)

Its time to sell. I'm leaving the country VERY shortly and I need to sell my beloved Beemer.

Details: Blue 1997' BMW F650ST, approx. 23,000 miles.

It is well taken care of but has a few scratches. It has a new rear tire and new chain. Steel braided front brake line, Wudo adjustable brake lever, heated grips, and a BMW 12V plug. I did most of the work on it myself, I have all the receipts and records.

For those not familiar with this bike: Its the street version of the F650 Funduro, about 1" lower suspension with street wheels and tires and a slightly different look. It has a 1 cylinder Rotax engine. This bike is great fun. I've ridden it as a commuter and as a tourer. Really friendly, lots of fun, and very comfortable.

You can view the bike at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album

Contact me by email at rydin@XXXXXX or by phone at 301-585-0104.

I'll be out of town this weekend but I'll try and check my email anyway. I'll be back Sunday evening.

Niv



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Mail - the world's greatest free email! --0-1521096075-1015446683=:20762-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 15:40:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26Ke7O18186 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w087.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.87]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:40:11 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:40:20 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 20:40:11.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CD05C70:01C1C54F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g26Ke8O18187 Gimer, Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! %^) Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:35:01 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 --- Ulrich Boser wrote: > Hello, > > I got a ticket last night in DC for parking within 40 > feet of a curb - what the fuck? How could one park > anywhere? i think i speak for most of the listers when i request that you please watch your language. please remember that there are innocent little children on this list.... e.g., sean jordan, chuck pena, etc. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 15:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26KhVO18287 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w059 ([168.144.108.59]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:43:37 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Daytona 200 Gathering Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:44:45 -0500 To: "stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 20:43:37.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[9783A580:01C1C54F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g26KhWO18288 Stephen, Go to http://www.geocities.com/bikenight for info and details. Apparently, you missed my previous post to the list about this event. If you are REALLY, REALLY nice to me, i.e., not an asswipe like that fuck Gimer %^), I might lend you my tape which will have: - WSB Spain races 1 and 2 - Daytona 250GP race - Daytona 200 Superbike race If I can squeeze the other races onto the tape, I will. But no promises. Those above are the ones I absolutely postively want to have on tape (I'll also have them digitally recorded). Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: stephen cutchins stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:07:35 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Daytona 200 Gathering Is there a Daytona 200 gathering somewhere around DC to watch the 200 on Sunday? If so could you please let me know where, as my cable company doesn't start showing Speed Channel until after 5. Does anyone out there with a satellite plan on taping the races? If so could I please get a copy? I MUST watch all of the races, it's kind of a sickness really. 600, 750, 250, Supercross, you name it, I go nuts if I don't get to watch them. And don't even get me started on World Superbikes and GP1!!! --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Me! Since it was my idea and I organized it, I > figure it's probably a good idea if at least I show > up. Hopefully, Karen and Marin will be there too > (but it's right in the middle of Marin's normal nap > time). > > Chuck > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: LAURA GRANATO lgranato@XXXXXX > Date: 6 Mar 2002 09:37:42 -0800 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Daytona 200 Gathering > > > Who all is planning to go? > > Laura > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 15:52:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26KqrO18487 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GSK00301KNYGN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:52:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GSK00326KNY7A@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:52:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSK00B01KN49P@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:52:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GSK009EEKMVPP@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:52:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:52:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering To: stephen cutchins Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C868175.B884C892@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020306200907.96702.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> stephen cutchins wrote: > 12:30 at grevey's in falls church/fairfax area. I > have the same > sickness you do, and no cable right now... I must have a different sickness. Daytona is only about a 12 hour ride down the road, and I've never seen the races in person yet... :) Too bad my weekend is already booked up doing oil changes on 4-wheelers and other mundane stuff. Horkster -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 15:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26KvRO18569 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 24295 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 12:57:20 -0800 Date: 6 Mar 2002 12:57:20 -0800 Message-ID: <20020306205720.24293.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Mar 2002 20:57:20 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Mar 2002 12:57:20 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: The No-Blues Can I just bitch for a second (dave?)...Until April 30th, I am living in a place that I do not have access to cable on my TV...meaning no racing for me to watch. Can I just tell you how annoying that is? How am I supposed to get my fix? :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 15:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26KxSO18592 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:59:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020306205924.76508.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:59:24 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:59:24 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: RE: RE: Daytona 200 Gathering To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii About taping the races, Speed Channel was going to show the WSB races Sunday morning but has apparently changed scheduling to race 1 at I think 12:30 and then race 2 not until Tuesday night, so you might want to check their website for any more last minute programming changes before setting the VCR. And I would love a copy of the tape :) --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Stephen, > > Go to http://www.geocities.com/bikenight for info > and details. Apparently, you missed my previous > post to the list about this event. > > If you are REALLY, REALLY nice to me, i.e., not an > asswipe like that fuck Gimer %^), I might lend you > my tape which will have: > > - WSB Spain races 1 and 2 > - Daytona 250GP race > - Daytona 200 Superbike race > > If I can squeeze the other races onto the tape, I > will. But no promises. Those above are the ones I > absolutely postively want to have on tape (I'll also > have them digitally recorded). > > Chuck > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: stephen cutchins stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:07:35 -0800 (PST) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Daytona 200 Gathering > > > Is there a Daytona 200 gathering somewhere around DC > to watch the 200 on Sunday? If so could you please > let me know where, as my cable company doesn't start > showing Speed Channel until after 5. > > Does anyone out there with a satellite plan on > taping > the races? If so could I please get a copy? I MUST > watch all of the races, it's kind of a sickness > really. 600, 750, 250, Supercross, you name it, I > go > nuts if I don't get to watch them. And don't even > get > me started on World Superbikes and GP1!!! > > --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > > wrote: > > Me! Since it was my idea and I organized it, I > > figure it's probably a good idea if at least I > show > > up. Hopefully, Karen and Marin will be there too > > (but it's right in the middle of Marin's normal > nap > > time). > > > > Chuck > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: LAURA GRANATO lgranato@XXXXXX > > Date: 6 Mar 2002 09:37:42 -0800 > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Daytona 200 Gathering > > > > > > Who all is planning to go? > > > > Laura > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! 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Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 16:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10508.mail.yahoo.com (web10508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26LIuO18964 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:18:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020306211855.13735.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.9.205] by web10508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:18:55 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:18:55 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering To: Dale Horstman , stephen cutchins Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C868175.B884C892@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Too bad my weekend is already booked up doing oil > changes on 4-wheelers and other mundane stuff. > > Horkster Hey, my Prairie 650 is due for it's first oil change, you can come by and do it also while you are at it. :) I guess I'll do that on Fri since I can't ride, found a slice in my rear tire. :( Gotta wait the new tire to come in. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 16:20:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26LKCO19041 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:20:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020306212011.51577.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:20:11 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:20:11 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C868175.B884C892@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Never been to the Daytona 200? Wow, you really should go. I have gladly passed on the Bike Week/beach scene these past few years, but I've been to the 200 seven years in a row now, and only a wedding in June is preventing me from going this year. You just can't beat it - 600 Supersport, 750 Supersport, 125 and 250 Supercross, 250 GP, Pro Thunder, and a Superbike race that might as well be three Superbike races it is so long, all on one glorious weekend!! Not to mention the vendors, bike demos (get there way too damned early or forget about it), and manufacturers showing off their latest and greatest. Now I'm depressed :( --- Dale Horstman wrote: > stephen cutchins wrote: > > > 12:30 at grevey's in falls church/fairfax area. I > > have the same > > sickness you do, and no cable right now... > > I must have a different sickness. Daytona is only > about a 12 hour ride down the road, and I've never > seen the races in person yet... :) > > Too bad my weekend is already booked up doing oil > changes on 4-wheelers and other mundane stuff. > > Horkster > > -- > Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX > > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 16:26:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11104.mail.yahoo.com (web11104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26LQnO19106 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:26:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020306212648.30044.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:26:48 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:26:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Off to Spain! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, folks, I'm off to Spain tomorrow for the opening round of the World Superbike Championship in Valencia! I won't be checking email tomorrow, however I will attempt to check it while I'm in Spain if I can find an occasional cyber-cafe. I'll be back on the 16th. Hasta la vista etc., Chris Weaver :^) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 16:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26LYXO19276 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g26LYRk01741; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:34:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:34:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200203062134.g26LYRk01741@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: The No-Blues LAG rants - Can I just bitch for a second (dave?) Hon, to be a bitch of your stature & proficiency, requires DECADES of commitment, countless hours of practice, and graduation from the Patricia Ireland school of Hen pecking. If you were to only bitch for a second, it would truly be an event of cosmic significance... ;-) ...Until April 30th, I am living in a place that I do not have access to cable on my TV...meaning no racing for me to watch. You got a cage, right ? Hop down to the local Circuit city or Worst Buy & pick up a DSS satellite receiver, drive home, point it at the starts & sign up for the Speed channel - it comes in a package with the 'Fox sports networks' which replay the Speed Channel races. 'Problem = Solved' Can I just tell you how annoying that is? How am I supposed to get my fix? MUST.......RESIST...... >:-}> Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 16:44:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26Li4O19465 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 26238 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 13:43:58 -0800 Date: 6 Mar 2002 13:43:58 -0800 Message-ID: <20020306214358.26237.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Mar 2002 21:43:58 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Mar 2002 13:43:58 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: re: The No-Blues X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Wed, 06 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hon, to be a bitch of your stature & proficiency, requires > DECADES of commitment, countless hours of practice, and graduation > from the Patricia Ireland school of Hen pecking. If you were to only > bitch for a second, it would truly be an event of cosmic > significance... ;-) Oh, PLEASE come to the daytona 200 gathering on Sunday? I would so love to just...say hi. > > > You got a cage, right ? Hop down to the local Circuit city > or Worst Buy & pick up a DSS satellite receiver, drive home, point it > at the starts & sign up for the Speed channel - it comes in a package > with the 'Fox sports networks' which replay the Speed Channel races. > > 'Problem = Solved' Just like a man...trying to solve the problem. Well, HON, it's not that simple. I'm living in a place that I can't do that right now...end of story. :-) I'm not blonde...I *do* know how to figure things out myself...I was merely ranting about something I have no control over at the moment. > > Can I just tell you how annoying that is? How am I supposed to get > my fix? > > MUST.......RESIST...... > Oh, you are such a devil... 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And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 16:51:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g26LpfO19651 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:51:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020306215140.43958.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:51:40 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:51:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Gimer, > > Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! %^) heavens! unsubscribe me from this mailing list please -- tg > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX > > --- Ulrich Boser wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I got a ticket last night in DC for parking within 40 > > feet of a curb - what the fuck? How could one park > > anywhere? > > i think i speak for most of the listers when i request > that > you please watch your language. please remember that > there > are innocent little children on this list.... e.g., sean > jordan, chuck pena, etc. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 17:32:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26MWSO20323 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.15b.a0b7d5e (15859); Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from web42.aolmail.aol.com (web42.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.3]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID510-0306173216; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:32:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:32:16 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <15b.a0b7d5e.29b7f2f0@aol.com> Shouldn't that be "Fuck you and the BIKE you rode in on?" ;-) Scooter (ducking and covering) In a message dated Wed, 6 Mar 2002 3:42:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" writes: > Gimer, > > Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! %^) > > Chuck > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:35:01 -0800 (PST) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 > > > --- Ulrich Boser wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I got a ticket last night in DC for parking within 40 > > feet of a curb - what the fuck? How could one park > > anywhere? > > i think i speak for most of the listers when i request that > you please watch your language. please remember that there > are innocent little children on this list.... e.g., sean > jordan, chuck pena, etc. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 17:38:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g26McAO20421 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.2d.1986c9f1 (5712); Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from web48.aolmail.aol.com (web48.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.9]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID45-0306173740; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:37:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:37:40 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <2d.1986c9f1.29b7f434@aol.com> Please go to the dc-cycles.org website and follow the unsubscribing directions. Geesssshhhhh...you would have though you would have known that one by now. ;-) Scooter (j/k Tom. Couldn't resist. Honestly. Tom, put the gun down. AARRRRRGGGHHH!!!!!) In a message dated Wed, 6 Mar 2002 4:52:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, Tom Gimer writes: > --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > wrote: > > Gimer, > > > > Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! %^) > > heavens! > > unsubscribe me from this mailing list please > > > -- > tg > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX > > > > --- Ulrich Boser wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I got a ticket last night in DC for parking within 40 > > > feet of a curb - what the fuck? How could one park > > > anywhere? > > > > i think i speak for most of the listers when i request > > that > > you please watch your language. please remember that > > there > > are innocent little children on this list.... e.g., sean > > jordan, chuck pena, etc. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 22:06:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2736CO25204 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01706 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:06:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020306221553.0418623c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:15:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Next mod - ZG Double Bubble Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.blueblackbusa.org/mods/zerogravity/ Installed my ZG Double Bubble tonight. Looks great, hopefully it will provide better protection. I can definately see the gauges better. I like the clear over the tinted stocker, too. Last mod for a while, until I get my motor rebuilt and back in my 'fun' car :-) All this bike stuff is cutting into my racing budget ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 6 22:23:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g273NvO25449 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g273NZw24551 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:23:45 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona Congrats Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:23:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20020304163944.2023.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> In-Reply-To: <20020304163944.2023.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02030622233401.22488@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 04 March 2002 11:39, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Just wanted to tell everyone to congratulate Keener and Roach for kicking > some butt down in Daytona. I know Roach took third in an endurance race > and Keener won at least one of his class races. Way to go boys! Look for Keener in the 200 (and 750 super-sport?) on his GSXR750, and in Pro Thunder on his (shameless plug) SpeedWerks built SV700 this weekend on Speed Channel. I don't know what his AMA number is this year, maybe he'll shed some light on the subject if he fires up the laptop from his hotel in FL again :) As for our weekend... we performed some essential destructive engineering with the Aprilia Cup bikes. We had 72+ hp on both bikes when we left the shop for Daytona (stock cup bikes make 60 - 63hp). At about 150mph on the Daytona tri-oval, both bikes seized both cylinders. YeeeeeHaaaaa. Luckily, both of us are skilled two stroke riders (translation: the left hand resides on the clutch lever at all times) and no one was thrown from their mounts. In the post-mortem at the shop today we determined that basically at 150+ mph on the banking, the air was much too turbulent for our carb setup and none of it was being ingested. No air combined with non-atomized, raw fuel pouring onto hot pistons turns out... rather ugly. They did, however, run like bats out of hell in the infield portion of the track before blowing up on the banking :) We'll have version 2.0 for VIR in April... hopefully the results will be better. Beyond that little adventure, I was asked to ride an FZR400 in the lightweight class for the 200 mile endurance race. I had a lot of fun as well as getting 3rd in class, so at least the weekend wasn't entirely a bust :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 00:10:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20109.mail.yahoo.com (web20109.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g275AAO27099 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:10:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020307051009.66417.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:10:09 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:10:09 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: The danger of riding dangerously on the street To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm sure all of us are guilty of unsafe and inappropriate riding behavior on public streets no matter how we might go thru contortions of logic to justify it. Well, here's a very good read on why we need to individually take a big bite out of the 'chill' pill. I love this magazine. http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/issues/feb02/injur.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 04:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2796HO01165 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rydin (AUTH poptime) at pcp813235pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net (HELO cp93425a) (68.49.65.85) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 03:21:32 -0000 From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" , "Keiser, Rudy" Subject: RE: 97' BMW F650ST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:21:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C1C55D.4154EE40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <21BFD0AAD487D3118C6500508B6F0E8901875E62@vie-its-exs01.mail.saic.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C1C55D.4154EE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm looking for $3,900. I'm not sure what the seat height is but I'm just under 5-7 and almost flat footed on it. I believe its a very good beginner bike, though its a bit heavy. The power is controllable and the entire package is very confindence inspiring. Its also not a bike you necessarily grow out of. I've been riding 10 years and many thousands of miles (cross country, commuting, a bit of track) and will probably look into buying a new one once I'm settled in again. Hope this helps. Niv -----Original Message----- From: Keiser, Rudy [mailto:HARRY.R.KEISER.II@XXXXXX] Sent: Wed, March 06, 2002 3:50 PM To: 'rydin@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: 97' BMW F650ST Hi. IM-^Rm looking for a first bike for my wife and sheM-^Rs concerned about seat height. Do you know how high the seat is? How much are you looking to sell it for? thanks, Rudy Keiser M-^V Reston, VA M-^R01 Suzuki SV650 -----Original Message----- From: rdrdr [mailto:rydin@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 3:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: rydin@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 97' BMW F650ST Ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you... :-) Its time to sell. I'm leaving the country VERY shortly and I need to sell my beloved Beemer. Details: Blue 1997' BMW F650ST, approx. 23,000 miles. It is well taken care of but has a few scratches. It has a new rear tire and new chain. Steel braided front brake line, Wudo adjustable brake lever, heated grips, and a BMW 12V plug. I did most of the work on it myself, I have all the receipts and records. For those not familiar with this bike: Its the street version of the F650 Funduro, about 1" lower suspension with street wheels and tires and a slightly different look. It has a 1 cylinder Rotax engine. This bike is great fun. I've ridden it as a commuter and as a tourer. Really friendly, lots of fun, and very comfortable. You can view the bike at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album Contact me by email at rydin@XXXXXX or by phone at 301-585-0104. I'll be out of town this weekend but I'll try and check my email anyway. I'll be back Sunday evening. Niv ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C1C55D.4154EE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm = looking for=20 $3,900.
I'm = not sure what=20 the seat height is but I'm just under 5-7 and almost flat footed on=20 it.
 
I = believe its=20 a very good beginner bike, though its a bit heavy. The power is=20 controllable and the entire package is very confindence = inspiring. Its=20 also not a bike you necessarily grow out of. I've been riding 10 years = and many=20 thousands of miles (cross country, commuting, a bit of track) and will = probably=20 look into buying a new one once I'm settled in = again.
 
Hope this=20 helps.
 
Niv
 
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From: Keiser, Rudy=20 [mailto:HARRY.R.KEISER.II@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wed, March 06, = 2002 3:50=20 PM
To: 'rydin@XXXXXX'
Subject: RE: 97' BMW=20 F650ST

Hi.  I=92m looking for a first = bike for my=20 wife and she=92s concerned about seat height.   Do you know how high the seat = is?

How=20 much are you looking to sell it = for?

 

thanks,

Rudy=20 Keiser =96 Reston, VA

=9201=20 Suzuki SV650

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = rdrdr=20 [mailto:rydin@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 = 3:31=20 PM
To:=20 dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Cc:=20 rydin@XXXXXX
Subject: FS:=20 97' BMW F650ST

 

Ladies, = gentlemen, and the=20 rest of you... :-)

Its time to = sell. I'm=20 leaving the country VERY shortly and I need to sell my beloved=20 Beemer.

Details: Blue = 1997' BMW=20 F650ST, approx. 23,000 miles.

It is well = taken care of=20 but has a few scratches. It has a new rear tire and new chain. Steel = braided=20 front brake line, Wudo adjustable brake lever, heated grips, and a BMW = 12V=20 plug. I did most of the work on it myself, I have all the receipts and = records.

For those not = familiar with=20 this bike: Its the street version of the F650 Funduro, about 1" lower=20 suspension with street wheels and tires and a slightly different look. = It has=20 a 1 cylinder Rotax engine. This bike is great fun. I've ridden it as a = commuter and as a tourer. Really friendly, lots of fun, and very=20 comfortable.

You can view = the bike at:=20 = http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=3D/Yahoo!+Photo+Album

Contact me by = email at rydin@XXXXXX or by phone at=20 301-585-0104.

I'll be out of = town this=20 weekend but I'll try and check my email anyway. I'll be back Sunday=20 evening.

Niv

 


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Try=20 FREE Yahoo! Mail - = the=20 world's greatest free email!

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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 08:58:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [155.201.16.24]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27DwDO05646 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id IAA28428; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:54:47 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma027730; Thu, 7 Mar 02 08:54:08 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GSL00AP7W0VDM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:55:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 08:57:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering To: horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9 |November 16, 2001) at 03/07/2002 08:57:22 AM Damn Hork! You're making impressive time if Daytona is a 12 hour ride for you! --chris Dale Horstman on 03/06/2002 03:52:05 PM To: stephen cutchins cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering --snip-- I must have a different sickness. Daytona is only about a 12 hour ride down the road, and I've never seen the races in person yet... :) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 09:06:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27E6NO05862 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g27E61w25718 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:06:11 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:06:01 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02030709060104.22488@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 07 March 2002 08:57, you wrote: > Damn Hork! You're making impressive time if Daytona is a 12 hour ride for > you! > Actually... that's a pretty easy time to make. From my old house in Alexandria it's 780 miles to the track in Daytona. If you average just over 60mph including fuel stops (Easy to do since the speed limit all the way down is now 65 or 70), you're there in 12 hours no sweat. We make the run from here in DE dragging a 5000lbs trailer in just over 14. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 09:14:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27EEBO05980 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w083.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.83]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:14:13 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: The danger of riding dangerously on the street Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:11:19 -0500 To: "pattonme@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 14:14:13.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BD6F760:01C1C5E2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g27EEDO05981 Ride fast, die young ... leave a good looking corpse! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: matthew patton pattonme@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:10:09 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The danger of riding dangerously on the street I'm sure all of us are guilty of unsafe and inappropriate riding behavior on public streets no matter how we might go thru contortions of logic to justify it. Well, here's a very good read on why we need to individually take a big bite out of the 'chill' pill. I love this magazine. http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/issues/feb02/injur.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 09:20:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27EKHO06156 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w087.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.87]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:20:20 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:20:28 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 14:20:20.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[36872880:01C1C5E3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g27EKKO06157 I think I speak for most of the listers when I say ... GOOD RIDDANCE! %^) Now go away or I will taunt you a second time. Original Message: ----------------- From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:51:40 -0800 (PST) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Gimer, > > Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! %^) heavens! unsubscribe me from this mailing list please -- tg > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX > > --- Ulrich Boser wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I got a ticket last night in DC for parking within 40 > > feet of a curb - what the fuck? How could one park > > anywhere? > > i think i speak for most of the listers when i request > that > you please watch your language. please remember that > there > are innocent little children on this list.... e.g., sean > jordan, chuck pena, etc. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 09:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27ENiO06186 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g27ELxw25752; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:22:09 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "pattonme@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: The danger of riding dangerously on the street Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:21:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02030709215805.22488@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 07 March 2002 09:11, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Ride fast, die young ... leave a good looking corpse! %^) I didn't know they did post-mortem plastic surgeory, Chuck. You must have a good mortician lined up! :D ::duck:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 09:32:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27EWtO06380 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w047 ([168.144.108.47]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:32:58 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: The danger of riding dangerously on the street Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:32:56 -0500 To: "roach@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 14:32:59.0107 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA9FB330:01C1C5E4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g27EWvO06381 Hey Roach! Were the pics of the rider down next to the wall at Road Atlanta you? Original Message: ----------------- From: Brian Roach roach@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:21:58 -0500 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The danger of riding dangerously on the street On Thursday 07 March 2002 09:11, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Ride fast, die young ... leave a good looking corpse! %^) I didn't know they did post-mortem plastic surgeory, Chuck. You must have a good mortician lined up! :D ::duck:: - Roach -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 09:40:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27EeHO06531 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g27Edcw25797; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:39:49 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: The danger of riding dangerously on the street Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:39:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02030709393806.22488@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 07 March 2002 09:32, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey Roach! > > Were the pics of the rider down next to the wall at Road Atlanta you? Nope. That was, however, our WERA endurance B-team bike at the 2001 GNF. The rider's name is Kenny and he was unhurt due to the airfence, which was very cool. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 11:20:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27GKHO08419 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GSM00F012ODD6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:19:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GSM00F4R2OC77@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:19:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GSM004012O4KB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:19:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.38.62.100]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GSM0041S2NZ8C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:19:11 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:19:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <3C8792FC.84CC1DA0@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cJRsHUskian2pQXbP2kD7Q)" X-Accept-Language: en This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_cJRsHUskian2pQXbP2kD7Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Anyone here interested in seeing a valve adjustment done on a Concours? Screw-and-locknut valves on an older Japanese inline 4-cylinder engine, I imagine some other bikes out there might be similar. Let me know offlist if you are interested. Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress --Boundary_(ID_cJRsHUskian2pQXbP2kD7Q) Content-type: message/rfc822 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:12:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Valve Adjustment Invitation To: Concours Owners Group Message-id: <3C879173.D33BC84@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Accept-Language: en Hi all, Sorry for the extreme short notice, but I'll be doing a valve adjustment on the wife's bike this Saturday. Weather in Northern Virginia looks to be wonderful on Saturday, so if anyone in the general area is interested in seeing the procedure done first hand, ping me off list for directions to my place. It should only take a few hours, and if I've got time to spare, I'll also be experimenting with the plastic welder and some makeshift upper fairing repair. Joy, joy. :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress --Boundary_(ID_cJRsHUskian2pQXbP2kD7Q)-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 12:03:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f244.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27H3XO09285 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:51:47 -0800 Received: from 63.251.87.214 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:51:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:51:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 16:51:47.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F04DCC0:01C1C5F8] Hork, You want to use mine for your demonstration? I don't mind... ;^) Perry >From: Dale Horstman >To: DC Cycles List >Subject: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] >Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:19:08 -0500 > >Anyone here interested in seeing a valve adjustment >done on a Concours? Screw-and-locknut valves on an >older Japanese inline 4-cylinder engine, I imagine >some other bikes out there might be similar. Let >me know offlist if you are interested. > >Hork >-- >Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX > >Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress ><< message3.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 12:42:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g27HgGO09971 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from rydin (AUTH poptime) at pcp813235pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net (HELO cp93425a) (68.49.65.85) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 08:22:07 -0000 From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: 97' BMW F650ST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C1C587.3E7534D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00e401c1c56f$b400af30$66defea9@michael> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C1C587.3E7534D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $3,900. :-) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] Sent: Wed, March 06, 2002 7:33 PM To: rydin@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 97' BMW F650ST And what would we be looking to receive for this paragon of motorcycle engineering? Michael J. ----- Original Message ----- From: rdrdr To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: rydin@XXXXXX Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 15:31 Subject: FS: 97' BMW F650ST Ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you... :-) Its time to sell. I'm leaving the country VERY shortly and I need to sell my beloved Beemer. Details: Blue 1997' BMW F650ST, approx. 23,000 miles. It is well taken care of but has a few scratches. It has a new rear tire and new chain. Steel braided front brake line, Wudo adjustable brake lever, heated grips, and a BMW 12V plug. I did most of the work on it myself, I have all the receipts and records. For those not familiar with this bike: Its the street version of the F650 Funduro, about 1" lower suspension with street wheels and tires and a slightly different look. It has a 1 cylinder Rotax engine. This bike is great fun. I've ridden it as a commuter and as a tourer. Really friendly, lots of fun, and very comfortable. You can view the bike at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album Contact me by email at rydin@XXXXXX or by phone at 301-585-0104. I'll be out of town this weekend but I'll try and check my email anyway. I'll be back Sunday evening. Niv ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C1C587.3E7534D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
$3,900.=20 :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Jordan=20 [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wed, March 06, 2002 = 7:33=20 PM
To: rydin@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: 97' BMW=20 F650ST

And what would we be looking to = receive for this=20 paragon of motorcycle engineering?
 
Michael J.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rdrdr =
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, = 2002=20 15:31
Subject: FS: 97' BMW = F650ST

Ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you... :-)

Its time to sell. I'm leaving the country VERY shortly and I need = to sell=20 my beloved Beemer.

Details: Blue 1997' BMW F650ST, approx. 23,000 miles.

It is well taken care of but has a few scratches. It has a new = rear tire=20 and new chain. Steel braided front brake line, Wudo adjustable brake = lever,=20 heated grips, and a BMW 12V plug. I did most of the work on it = myself, I=20 have all the receipts and records.

For those not familiar with this bike: Its the street version of = the F650=20 Funduro, about 1" lower suspension with street wheels and tires and = a=20 slightly different look. It has a 1 cylinder Rotax engine. This bike = is=20 great fun. I've ridden it as a commuter and as a tourer. Really = friendly,=20 lots of fun, and very comfortable.

You can view the bike at: = http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rydin/lst?.dir=3D/Yahoo!+Photo+Album

Contact me by email at rydin@XXXXXX or by phone at=20 301-585-0104.

I'll be out of town this weekend but I'll try and check my email = anyway.=20 I'll be back Sunday evening.

Niv



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------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C1C587.3E7534D0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 16:03:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmi.org ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27L3UO13263 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by lmimailg.lmi.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <16ZJYJD1>; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:02:59 -0500 Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD6E800A@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:03:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C61B.85EBE310" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C61B.85EBE310 Content-Type: text/plain Dale, Yeah, I was just going to mention, you may want to do a (MY) VFR because of the sheer number of us present on the list.. But Perry beat me to the punch... Brian 99 VFR -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:19 AM To: DC Cycles List Subject: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] Anyone here interested in seeing a valve adjustment done on a Concours? Screw-and-locknut valves on an older Japanese inline 4-cylinder engine, I imagine some other bikes out there might be similar. Let me know offlist if you are interested. Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C61B.85EBE310 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation]

Dale,

Yeah, I was just going to mention, you may want to do = a (MY) VFR because of the sheer number of us present on the list.. But = Perry beat me to the punch...

Brian
99 VFR

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] =
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:19 AM
To: DC Cycles List
Subject: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation]


Anyone here interested in seeing a valve = adjustment
done on a Concours?  Screw-and-locknut valves = on an
older Japanese inline 4-cylinder engine, I = imagine
some other bikes out there might be similar.  = Let
me know offlist if you are interested.

Hork
--
Same old Hork, but new email - = horkster@XXXXXX

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Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX
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'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C61B.85EBE310-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 16:05:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27L5uO13361 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-104-2.s510.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.104.2] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16j55H-0005Nr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:05:55 -0500 Message-ID: <00cf01c1c61b$eab60aa0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: MC parking at U.Md.? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and it may become a regular thing. Does the College Park campus have dedicated MC parking? Most college worth their salt do. I see MC spots here and there but I can't tell if you need permits to park there. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 16:09:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27L9GO13404 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-109-232.s2010.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.109.232] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16j58U-0002sA-00; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:09:15 -0500 Message-ID: <00e301c1c61c$61c88640$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "ROBERSON, Brian" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD6E800A@lmimaila.lmi.org> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:08:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well, "shim under bucket" rules on the later VFRs. My old Interceptor has threaded adjusters. Wanna tackle that one, Dale? Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'DC Cycles List'" Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:03 PM Subject: RE: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] > Dale, > > Yeah, I was just going to mention, you may want to do a (MY) VFR because of > the sheer number of us present on the list.. But Perry beat me to the > punch... > > Brian > 99 VFR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:19 AM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] > > > Anyone here interested in seeing a valve adjustment > done on a Concours? Screw-and-locknut valves on an > older Japanese inline 4-cylinder engine, I imagine > some other bikes out there might be similar. Let > me know offlist if you are interested. > > Hork From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 16:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27LDoO13511 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GSM00K01GAKKP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:13:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GSM00JA2GAKKG@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:13:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GSM00001GAH9G@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:13:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.38.62.100]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GSM00LGHGA68M@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:13:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:13:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] To: "ROBERSON, Brian" Cc: "'DC Cycles List'" Message-id: <3C87D7EA.CFD54BC6@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD6E800A@lmimaila.lmi.org> > "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote: > > Dale, > > Yeah, I was just going to mention, you may want to do a (MY) VFR because > of the sheer number of us present on the list.. But Perry beat me to the > punch... Oh well, it wouldn't matter, V-4 maintenance tasks frighten me. :) My cams are staying put, thankyouverymuch... :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 16:19:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27LJDO13610 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GSM00001GJIDD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:18:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GSM00LJ5GJH9R@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:18:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GSM00301GJ62J@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:18:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.38.62.100]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GSM00LN1GJ2ES@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:18:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:18:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3C87D92A.B07A574@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD6E800A@lmimaila.lmi.org> <00e301c1c61c$61c88640$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > Well, "shim under bucket" rules on the later VFRs. My old Interceptor has > threaded adjusters. Wanna tackle that one, Dale? NNBHN. :) Really, threaded adjusters on the older 'ceptors? I thought that was just a magna/sabre thing. While I lust for hydraulic valves on my next sport tourer, threaded adjusters aren't too bad. Shims hold their clearances longer, but are a real PITA to actually adjust. Hork, trying to keep my life shim-free -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 16:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f81.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27LfoO13961 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:30:00 -0800 Received: from 68.48.87.207 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:30:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.87.207] From: "Rob Keiser" To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC parking at U.Md.? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:30:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 21:30:00.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CABC360:01C1C61F] Paul, I'm not sure if they do for visitors, but they do have motorcycle only permit parking. I know this because one afternoon a couple years ago, a buddy of mine wanted to ride up there to get a UMD sweatshirt at the student union building. We parked across the street where a line of other bikes were. We didn't see a sign or any decals on the bikes, so we figured it was safe. No less than 15 minutes later, we were back at the bikes and guess what was there? That's right, a ticket for parking without a permit. The sign was on the building behind us in the midst of some overgrown trees; and campus security must have been hiding in the bushes. Nice. Anyway, lesson learned. Depending on how often you need to go there, you might want to get a visitor pass or permit just to be safe. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: MC parking at U.Md.? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:09 -0500 I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and it may become a regular thing. Does the College Park campus have dedicated MC parking? Most college worth their salt do. I see MC spots here and there but I can't tell if you need permits to park there. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 16:48:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from FW2.dt.navy.mil (FW2.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27LmaO14134 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by FW2.dt.navy.mil; id QAA09968; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW2.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma009732; Thu, 7 Mar 02 16:52:36 -0500 Received: from NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29206 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:47:53 -0500 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (NAVGW 2.5.1.16) with SMTP id M2002030716475327373 ; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c1c621$be2041d0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc-cycles list" References: <00cf01c1c61b$eab60aa0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: MC parking at U.Md.? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:47:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 An MC permit is required to park in the (amazingly ample) MC spots. At least where I need to be, there are a lot of spots right by the building, and it seems that they are fairly common all over campus. I don't know how rigorously they check, but if it's anything like their parking police, they're thorough... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: MC parking at U.Md.? > I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and it may become a > regular thing. Does the College Park campus have dedicated MC parking? > Most college worth their salt do. I see MC spots here and there but I can't > tell if you need permits to park there. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 16:50:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27Lo3O14211 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GSM00E01HZ7JJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:49:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GSM00CKGHZ7ZW@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:49:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GSM00J01HYZ20@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:49:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.38.62.100]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GSM00HAMHYT3K@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:49:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:49:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C87E071.886B9E8B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <02030709060104.22488@XXXXXX> Brian Roach wrote: > > On Thursday 07 March 2002 08:57, you wrote: > > Damn Hork! You're making impressive time if Daytona is a 12 hour ride for > > you! > > > Actually... that's a pretty easy time to make. From my old house in > Alexandria it's 780 miles to the track in Daytona. If you average just over > 60mph including fuel stops (Easy to do since the speed limit all the way down > is now 65 or 70), you're there in 12 hours no sweat. I'll admit that's keeping up a pretty hard pace (BBG pace) no stops except to exchange fluids (bike and bladder), but yeah, 12 hours is do-able. Maybe not pleasant, but do-able. -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 16:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g27Lq4O14231 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:52:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020307215202.17358.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 13:52:02 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:52:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MC parking at U.Md.? To: Rob Keiser , pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii when i went there, permits were required... and, apparently (as rob has shown us) parking enforcement is as vigorous now as it was back then purchase a visitor's pass (which likely could be had for the price of one ticket)... --- Rob Keiser wrote: > Paul, > > I'm not sure if they do for visitors, but they do have > motorcycle only > permit parking. I know this because one afternoon a > couple years ago, a > buddy of mine wanted to ride up there to get a UMD > sweatshirt at the student > union building. > > We parked across the street where a line of other bikes > were. We didn't see > a sign or any decals on the bikes, so we figured it was > safe. No less than > 15 minutes later, we were back at the bikes and guess > what was there? > That's right, a ticket for parking without a permit. The > sign was on the > building behind us in the midst of some overgrown trees; > and campus security > must have been hiding in the bushes. Nice. Anyway, > lesson learned. > > Depending on how often you need to go there, you might > want to get a visitor > pass or permit just to be safe. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "dc-cycles list" > Subject: MC parking at U.Md.? > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:09 -0500 > > I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and > it may become a > regular thing. Does the College Park campus have > dedicated MC parking? > Most college worth their salt do. I see MC spots here > and there but I can't > tell if you need permits to park there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 17:06:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g27M6ZO14619 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:06:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020307220634.31318.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:06:34 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:06:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering To: Dale Horstman , roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C87E071.886B9E8B@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii it sounds to me like some folks are comparing riding to daytona with driving to daytona.... and they're not easily comparable --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Brian Roach wrote: > > > > On Thursday 07 March 2002 08:57, you wrote: > > > Damn Hork! You're making impressive time if Daytona > is a 12 hour ride for > > > you! > > > > > Actually... that's a pretty easy time to make. From my > old house in > > Alexandria it's 780 miles to the track in Daytona. If > you average just over > > 60mph including fuel stops (Easy to do since the speed > limit all the way down > > is now 65 or 70), you're there in 12 hours no sweat. > > I'll admit that's keeping up a pretty hard pace (BBG > pace) no stops except > to exchange fluids (bike and bladder), but yeah, 12 hours > is do-able. > Maybe not pleasant, but do-able. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 17:09:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27M9rO14771 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-105-30.s792.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.105.30] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16j65A-0002Xz-00; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:09:53 -0500 Message-ID: <017901c1c624$d9c3e1a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD6E800A@lmimaila.lmi.org><00e301c1c61c$61c88640$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3C87D92A.B07A574@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:05:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > Well, "shim under bucket" rules on the later VFRs. My old Interceptor has > > threaded adjusters. Wanna tackle that one, Dale? > > NNBHN. :) > > Really, threaded adjusters on the older 'ceptors? I thought > that was just a magna/sabre thing. > Yup, so do the pre-1990 VFRs. Some people call those the golden years: geared cam drive + threaded adjusters. Could you clean, lube and adjust my chain too for me when I come over, I'd sure appreciate it. And don't get grease all over the bike. I'll bring a book to read while you do all this. :) I already missed the season's first VFR shim changing party. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 17:15:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g27MF5O14945 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:15:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020307221504.58558.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:15:04 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:15:04 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020307220634.31318.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > it sounds to me like some folks are comparing riding > to > daytona with driving to daytona.... and they're not > easily > comparable > I agree completely! Daytona by car in 12 hours is about right, Daytona by motorcycle in 12 hours is rough unless you're on a Gold Wing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 17:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h009.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g27MgwO15433 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 8582 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 14:42:51 -0800 Date: 7 Mar 2002 14:42:51 -0800 Message-ID: <20020307224251.8581.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Mar 2002 22:42:51 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Mar 2002 14:42:51 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 07 March 2002, stephen cutchins wrote: > > > > I agree completely! Daytona by car in 12 hours is > about right, Daytona by motorcycle in 12 hours is > rough unless you're on a Gold Wing. OK, boys, you're turning my thread into something it isn't supposed to be! :) I just wanted to know who is going to come party with me on Sunday and watch some racing!!!! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 18:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9606.mail.yahoo.com (web9606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g27NPIO16122 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:25:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020307232517.7293.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.16.190] by web9606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:25:17 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:25:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Gathering To: LAURA GRANATO , stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020307224251.8581.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom & I are planning on coming, as long as the puppies don't explode or anything. ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > OK, boys, you're turning my thread into something it > isn't supposed to be! :) I just wanted to know who > is going to come party with me on Sunday and watch > some racing!!!! > > Laura > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 18:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27NcKO16400 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16j7Sl-0002Xk-00; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:38:19 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: hcaldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speaking of back injuries and protectors Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 18:41:22 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g27NcLO16401 yep thanks hugh and chirs. Tha'ts what i was talking about. Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 18:55:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g27NtQO16672 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16j7jJ-0005Lb-00; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:55:26 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Eric Silberg" Cc: Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 18:58:29 -0500 Message-ID: <72bd8u8r3vo72g0ei85nfk6k5ikrqo5p8g@4ax.com> References: <031e01c1c46b$04ac9ad0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> In-Reply-To: <031e01c1c46b$04ac9ad0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g27NtSO16673 On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:27:26 -0500, you wrote: |>Maximum breaking occurs when you settle the bike, adjust the weight bias |>with your body, then hit a brick wall. Oh wait, you said braking. |>Disregard... hmm what if we had a big enough parachute to deploy and expand out the bag of a bike and a one for a rider... or maybe reverse rocket type thrusters... hmmm I'll let some of the more educated folks expound on these academic hypothesis... "couldn't teh bike stop immediately then" ? : ) Hey it would beat hitting a train or brick wall wouldnt' it? :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 19:09:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2809uO17039 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16j7xL-0007Zm-00; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:09:56 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200203051419.g25EJcN09502@atlanta.pop3now.com> In-Reply-To: <200203051419.g25EJcN09502@atlanta.pop3now.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2809wO17040 |>It's my opinion that use of the back brake under emergency braking |>will cause the bike to sway and wobble and be unsettled, (and of |>course possibly low side) |> How so ? Just been my experience. I suppose the rear wheel dragging. |>where-as front brake can take over 100% of the braking force (by |>removing any rear wheel capability), and the bike can stay straight |>and even. |> |> |> If your front wheel takes 'over 100% of the braking force' |>that would be a front wheel skid. "take over" not "over 100%" , 100% as in "all".. take over all of the braking force.. oh nevermind see now you're just lawyering! you bastard! |> Use an infrequently travelled road, or a store parking lot |>before anyone gets there... |> |>Dave Hmm isn't the first suggesting technically a crime under some vague law? you of all people should be ashamed of yourself! oh wait you probably have no shame Danny -------------------------- pretend i have witty banter here From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 19:10:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g280AuO17062 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16j7yJ-0007l6-00; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:10:55 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:13:58 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20020305173249.27840.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <20020305175219.89452.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020305175219.89452.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g280AvO17063 On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:52:19 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>I realize the original topic has been largely discarded, but if you |>will all turn to your handy-dandy, multi-year MCN index you will find |>on P.34 of the March 2000 issue a very well written article with |>scientific, and physics based explanation of what is going on. And not |>some hearsay or enlightened opinion. I don't suppose you or anyone could enlighted us who are within the heathen masses? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 19:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g280NRO17326 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16j8AQ-0001tH-00; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:23:26 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: hcaldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:26:29 -0500 Message-ID: <28cd8ug305sfeli2us73fg68vfhub5b6m2@4ax.com> References: <200203051630.g25GUes02071@atlanta.pop3now.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g280NSO17327 |> Minimum stopping distance is achieved by using both |>brakes. You should apply the rear brake first to settle the |>bike an make it squat. Then apply the front brake. If you don't |>agree with me you're a freaking MORON! |> |>No thanks necessary just send money, |>Hugh Is that what keith code and his likes teach, or are they morons? :) I don't really quite get the whole "use the rear brake to compress the front end business." granted on non sportbikes the rear brake will do more for you.. but the discussion is about sport bikes. You can use the front brake to do the front end compression and then with the same concentration apply more brakes or less and regulate. Which seems to me would be a whole lot more effective (and timely) than trying to concentrate on using the right amount of rear brake, and concentrate on lettting off the rear brake along with using the front brake. you should probably be concentrating on the front brake and your ETA time/distance upon impact and amount of front brake use. So maybe the MSF is full of hoooey. Show me their studies.. their computer generated specs, their live tests. Just because their an organization doens't mean we should accept thier conclusions without seeing their work of how they came to their conclusions. Danny bike rider, moron, extroidinare :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 19:31:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g280V1O17516 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16j8Hk-00033g-00; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:31:00 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shipping a Motor? Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:34:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20020305185802.47078.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020305185802.47078.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g280V7O17517 I sold an F3 motor once. I don't remember the destination, but i believe it was midwest or southern midwest. I strapped it to a pallet (as required) and shipped it for all of 75 bux if i recall correctly. I believe I used united van lines. Somewhere I had obtained a crate to fit over the engine, and I put that on t here too, I guess for more stability. I dont' exactly recall. Hmm where did I get that crate anyway? I remeber girl.. oh yea and my friend picked it up for me in VA.. since he works out there. I got a pallet from driving through the warehouses and stopped and asked a guy who worked there if I could have 1. Even if my memory is off, I don't think it was more than $150. hmm i wonder if i filed the reciept away... hmm and i remember some email correspondance.. maybe i ahve a copy of that.. Anyway, do you need me to try to find that info for you or is that a good enough head start? Danny On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:58:02 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>I'm having a motorcycle motor shipped from California |>to here, and seller says it's turning out to cost much |>more than originally planned ($300 rather than |>$100-120). This seems like far too much and I'm going |>to see if I can't find a cheaper way to ship it than |>the seller has found. |> |>Has anyone found an inexpensive way to ship small |>heavy containers such as this? |> |>Thanks, |>Chris Weaver |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! |>http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 19:45:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g280jpO17786 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from fredg7yxzzfv8e (pcp01582514pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.48.144.3]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0GSM00D76Q46MQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:45:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:46:23 -0500 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Niv's bike for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, HARRY.R.KEISER.II@XXXXXX, rydin@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Hi Harry, speaking on behalf of Niv I think his bike might be a good choice for your wife. I am a shade under 5 feet 6 inches and his bike works well for me. BMW's also have fantastic ground clearance for the ocasional curb hopping. It's a good, durable bike with luggage to haul lots of stuff around. You might want to check it out. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR with Givi to haul lots of stuff around Hope this helps. Niv -----Original Message----- From: Keiser, Rudy [mailto:HARRY.R.KEISER.II@XXXXXX] Sent: Wed, March 06, 2002 3:50 PM To: 'rydin@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: 97' BMW F650ST Hi. IM-^Rm looking for a first bike for my wife and sheM-^Rs concerned about seat height. Do you know how high the seat is? How much are you looking to sell it for? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 20:15:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mx-relay1.treas.gov (mx-relay1.treas.gov [199.196.144.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g281FtO18272 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tias4.treas.gov (tias-gw4.treas.gov [199.196.144.14]) by mx-relay1.treas.gov (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00413 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Received: from no.name.available by tias4.treas.gov via smtpd (for mx-relay.treas.gov [199.196.144.5]) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 01:15:52 UT Received: from fw2.do.treas.gov. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1C615.A8F69630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw someone do it yesterday. I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left on 18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks. I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic. I suspect that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable. Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal? Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches. Also, lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street), and other cars on the right. 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Details and photos available at http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ I'll throw in my "stone age GPS" aka enduro roll chart holder for free. David "Routemeister" Thompson From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 20:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g281WBO18532 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-105-223.s985.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.105.223] helo=D7XFG711) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16j9Ew-0005wy-00; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 20:32:10 -0500 Message-ID: <00c001c1c640$3aec3610$ac6d2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: Subject: Re: DC traffic question Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:26:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 That's a new one on me. I'm sure it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk, under power or not. I'd filter or lane split before I did that. I can't see the cops being very tolerant of riding on the sidewalk. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: DC traffic question > Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw > someone do it yesterday. I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left on > 18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks. > I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside > it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic. I suspect > that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable. > > Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal? > > Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches. Also, > lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street), and > other cars on the right. > > Thanks in advance, > Mike > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 20:33:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g281XPO18542 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-32.patriot.net [209.249.181.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g281XMF01563; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:33:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3C88147A.E1A2F4C4@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 20:31:38 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC traffic question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know if it's legal, but ain't no way my skinny butt is pushing my 750# Hawg for a block and a half! Bill Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX wrote: > Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw > someone do it yesterday. I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left on > 18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks. > I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside > it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic. I suspect > that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable. > > Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal? > > Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches. Also, > lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street), and > other cars on the right. > > Thanks in advance, > Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 21:10:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from 2kemail.k-kdom.nishanet.com ([63.168.126.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g282A3O19166 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from brownleeb.nishanet.com (unverified [204.94.239.173]) by 2kemail.k-kdom.nishanet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:07:09 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20020307210910.00a84fc8@63.168.126.2> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:10:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] In-Reply-To: <200203080001.g2801GY16791@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Whats all this talk about 'valve adjustments'? Does it by any chance have anything to do with adjustable pushrods? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 21:50:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g282o2O19842 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p54.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.182]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g282nxAp018633 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:50:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c1c64c$00b72020$b681c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Danny baits - |> If your front wheel takes 'over 100% of the braking force' |>that would be a front wheel skid. "take over" not "over 100%" , 100% as in "all".. take over all of the braking force.. oh nevermind see now you're just lawyering! you bastard! Oh yeah... well... you're.... GIMERING ! So there! ;-) |> Use an infrequently travelled road, or a store parking lot |>before anyone gets there... |> |>Dave Hmm isn't the first suggesting technically a crime under some vague law? you of all people should be ashamed of yourself! oh wait you probably have no shame Not at all, so long as you're not riding stupidly. and for the purposes of braking exercises, you don't need to. Just go to DC to do your panic brake exercises, their traffic is a free for all... just remember to use the sidewalks ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 22:09:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2839pO20077 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-32.patriot.net [209.249.181.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2839nF20824; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:09:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3C882B14.A25CF851@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 22:08:04 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Brownlee CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] References: <5.0.2.1.1.20020307210910.00a84fc8@63.168.126.2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce Brownlee wrote: > Whats all this talk about 'valve adjustments'? > Does it by any chance have anything to do with adjustable pushrods? Nah, I think it's when you have to wonk the tappet housing with a hammer to loosen up a stuck lifter. Got my Gen-Yew-Wine H-D hammer fer that... Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 22:41:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g283fNO20515 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp761865pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net [68.48.192.112]) by mtaout45-01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSM00BFTY8PP4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 22:41:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 22:40:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: [Fwd: Valve Adjustment Invitation] To: Bruce Brownlee Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C8832B9.10057C59@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.0.2.1.1.20020307210910.00a84fc8@63.168.126.2> Bruce Brownlee wrote: > > Whats all this talk about 'valve adjustments'? > Does it by any chance have anything to do with adjustable pushrods? Go back into your hole, you... :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email: horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 23:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13406.mail.yahoo.com (web13406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.64]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g284QYO21205 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:26:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308042633.52945.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.49.65.85] by web13406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 20:26:33 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:26:33 -0800 (PST) From: rdrdr Reply-To: rydin@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC parking at U.Md.? To: Rob Keiser , pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1190712164-1015561593=:52079" --0-1190712164-1015561593=:52079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thats rather interesting. I went to UMD for 2.5 years and only had a permit the 1st year. As long as I was parked in the MC parking I never got a ticket. NEVER. Niv BMW F650ST <-- For Sale if you haven't heard Rob Keiser wrote: Paul, I'm not sure if they do for visitors, but they do have motorcycle only permit parking. I know this because one afternoon a couple years ago, a buddy of mine wanted to ride up there to get a UMD sweatshirt at the student union building. We parked across the street where a line of other bikes were. We didn't see a sign or any decals on the bikes, so we figured it was safe. No less than 15 minutes later, we were back at the bikes and guess what was there? That's right, a ticket for parking without a permit. The sign was on the building behind us in the midst of some overgrown trees; and campus security must have been hiding in the bushes. Nice. Anyway, lesson learned. Depending on how often you need to go there, you might want to get a visitor pass or permit just to be safe. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: MC parking at U.Md.? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:09 -0500 I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and it may become a regular thing. Does the College Park campus have dedicated MC parking? Most college worth their salt do. I see MC spots here and there but I can't tell if you need permits to park there. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! 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Thats rather interesting. I went to UMD for 2.5 years and only had a permit the 1st year. As long as I was parked in the MC parking I never got a ticket. NEVER.

 

Niv

BMW F650ST <-- For Sale if you haven't heard

  Rob Keiser <robkeiser@XXXXXX> wrote:

Paul,

I'm not sure if they do for visitors, but they do have motorcycle only
permit parking. I know this because one afternoon a couple years ago, a
buddy of mine wanted to ride up there to get a UMD sweatshirt at the student
union building.

We parked across the street where a line of other bikes were. We didn't see
a sign or any decals on the bikes, so we figured it was safe. No less than
15 minutes later, we were back at the bikes and guess what was there?
That's right, a ticket for parking without a permit. The sign was on the
building behind us in the midst of some overgrown trees; and campus security
must have been hiding in the bushes. Nice. Anyway, lesson learned.

Depending on how often you need to go there, you might want to get a visitor
pass or permit just to be safe.

Rob
'98 VFR800


From: "Paul Wilson"
To: "dc-cycles list"
Subject: MC parking at U.Md.?
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:06:09 -0500

I have occasion to ride up to the campus next Monday and it may become a
regular thing. Does the College Park campus have dedicated MC parking?
Most college worth their salt do. I see MC spots here and there but I can't
tell if you need permits to park there.

Paul in DC
95 VFR - 86 VF500F




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Mail - the world's greatest free email! --0-1190712164-1015561593=:52079-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 7 23:59:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g284xlO21714 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16jCTq-0005cB-00; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 23:59:46 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Throttlemeister Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 00:02:52 -0500 Message-ID: <72td8u8hkcfl9sghjfo5tj4l7qhgiin1rd@4ax.com> References: <3.0.32.20020305212403.03ca56a4@noid.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020305212403.03ca56a4@noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g284xnO21715 How much was it? throttle locks are nice. Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 06:54:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28Bs8O27946 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 06:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA11566 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 03:54:01 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020308070357.040f286c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:03:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Throttlemeister Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:02 AM 3/7/02 -0500, you wrote: >How much was it? throttle locks are nice. $105 from AZ Motorsports. Got to test it out on the commute to/from work yesterday. Combined with my new ZG Double Bubble windscreen, I feel like I'm driving a rocket powered Gold Wing :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 08:09:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28D99O29024 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:09:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:09:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200203080809.AA21889690@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: DC traffic question X-Mailer: Excellent and creative! Yes, riding on the sidewalk would be highly illegal. Walking the bike (perhaps even walking it under power if it's a quiet bike) sounds like a creative solution to cagers causing yet another gridlock. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:21:27 -0500 >Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw >someone do it yesterday. I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left on >18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks. >I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside >it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic. I suspect >that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable. > >Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal? > >Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches. Also, >lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street), and >other cars on the right. > >Thanks in advance, >Mike > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 09:07:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28E7EO29923 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.162.a009cb0 (3861) for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:06:58 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <162.a009cb0.29ba1f82@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:06:58 EST Subject: Re: MC parking at U.Md.? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 They do run a shuttle bus from the nearby metro station. That would eliminate the parking problem. And my brief experience with them is that like most universities they are assholes about parking. But I am not bitter! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 09:43:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28Eh8O00698 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id a.122.d6c56a0 (15898); Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-0308094250; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:42:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:42:50 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC traffic question To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <122.d6c56a0.29ba27ea@aol.com> Couldn't tell you whether it was legal or not but, it's certainly a different approach. Might have to try it one day. :-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 7 Mar 2002 8:17:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX writes: > Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw > someone do it yesterday. I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left on > 18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks. > I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside > it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic. I suspect > that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable. > > Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal? > > Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches. Also, > lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street), and > other cars on the right. > > Thanks in advance, > Mike From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 09:47:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28ElRO00798 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id m.26.24425697 (16102); Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from web43.aolmail.aol.com (web43.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.4]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID116-0308094709; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:47:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:47:09 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC traffic question To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <26.24425697.29ba28ed@aol.com> According to Michael, he wasn't riding it on the sidewalk. He was walking beside it. I know there was a discussion recently regarding m/c parking that was only accessible by going across the sidewalk. I would think this would be similar. If mopeds and bicyclists are allowed on the sidewalks, I can't see why a motorcycle being pushed would be any different. Just my .03. <-- inflation. :-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 7 Mar 2002 8:34:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Paul Wilson" writes: > That's a new one on me. I'm sure it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk, > under power or not. I'd filter or lane split before I did that. I can't > see the cops being very tolerant of riding on the sidewalk. > > Paul in DC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:21 PM > Subject: DC traffic question > > > > Ok, I think I know the answer to this one, but not sure, 'cause I saw > > someone do it yesterday. I was sitting in traffic on G St to make a left > on > > 18th and it took me about a half hour to go 3 blocks. > > I saw a guy get off his bike and push it down the sidewalk (walking beside > > it) for a block and a half, then simply merge back into traffic. I > suspect > > that this is illegal, but figured I would ask those more knowledgeable. > > > > Is walking your bike on the sidewalk legal? > > > > Because if it is legal, it could save a lot of time and headaches. Also, > > lane-splitting wasn't an option... parked cars on left (one way street), > and > > other cars on the right. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 10:02:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28F2KO01125 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id j.14b.a111257 (16100); Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID114-0308100151; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:01:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:01:51 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Throttlemeister To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <14b.a111257.29ba2c5f@aol.com> You got their website? Throttlemeister's website lists them at $130 for my R6. $147 if I want the larger unit. Scooter In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 6:55:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wayne Edelen writes: > At 12:02 AM 3/7/02 -0500, you wrote: > >How much was it? throttle locks are nice. > > $105 from AZ Motorsports. Got to test it out on the commute to/from work > yesterday. Combined with my new ZG Double Bubble windscreen, I feel like > I'm driving a rocket powered Gold Wing :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 10:16:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28FGfO01396 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GSN00301UFDT3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:16:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GSN001D3UFDUO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:16:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSN00001UF5W3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:16:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sallt10001 ([153.39.168.246]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSN00KS3UETZ9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:16:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:17:26 -0500 From: Shawn Brand Subject: double bubble or euro speedscreen? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: shawn.brand@XXXXXX Message-id: <000301c1c6b4$5be34b00$9865fea9@sallt10001> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I'd like to get a smoked aftermarket wind screen for my Super Hawk and it's down to the Zero Gravity double bubble or the Lockhart-Phillips euro speedscreen. They both provide better wind deflection than the stock screen. Any major difference in quality or protection? Shawn From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 10:20:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28FKZO01494 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.8d.1501d683 (3861) for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:20:21 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8d.1501d683.29ba30b5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:20:21 EST Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 I have sort of been sitting on this trying to decide whether to send it or not, obviously I decided to send it, it is long and if you have no desire to continue the braking thread Motorcycle accident reports show that most accident involved motorcyclists did not know how to turn, swerve or BRAKE. As long as we have new riders on this list, including lurkers who may not even have bikes yet it is important to give them correct information on riding, like how to turn, swerve, and BRAKE. A couple of things have been added to the discussion since I hammered this into my magic box so I will try to deal with them first. > You can use the front brake to do the front end compression and then > with the same concentration apply more brakes or less and regulate. > Which seems to me would be a whole lot more effective (and timely) > than trying to concentrate on using the right amount of rear brake, We are not talking about the easiest way to stop, requiring the least skill. We are talking about saving your ass in an emergency, and that requires the fastest stop your _bike_ is capable of. As for sport bikes I do understand that under ideal conditions they can stop very quickly with the front brake only... I do not give a damn... Ideal conditions are rare at best, we are often on rain, oil, sand, coolant, squirrel guts and lord knows what else where skidding the front wheel is a very real possibility and 100% weight transfer is impossible. The only way to have the reflexes and skill to use both brakes under less then ideal conditions in an emergency is to use them every time, sport bike or not. > So maybe the MSF is full of hoooey. Show me their studies.. their > computer generated specs, their live tests. The testing _was_ done and it has been done by others since then. The results are available to anyone and if I can find my info on them I will send it along, but I am sure that it will not matter, someone will say "that was not this years bike" or sumsuch. The point is that testing was done with recording instruments and riders of various skill levels and the fastest stops were with both brakes as I have described. The MSF curriculum was not created by a bunch of guys sitting around a table going "what do you think?" ALL of it is based on the best test and report data available at the time, and has been updated repeatedly over time to reflect new or more complete data. Anyhow... In a message dated 3/5/2002 10:11:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > I *never* use my back brake, so much so that when I went off the track at VIR, > I didn't occur to me that using the back brake was the safest choice IN THAT > SITUATION...therefore, I crashed. Exactly my point, you do not use the rear brake therefore you did not have the _reflexes_ to use it when you needed it. > You need to figure out what is best for > the situation you are in at the time. Indeed true again, but you then must have the skill to execute your decision. No practice, no skill. That is why you must use both brakes every time. (On the street! The race track is another world that does not translate all that well to this world.) > I will say, from my riding experience...MSF is NOT correct in everything they teach. True again. BUT MSF is correct on this point, and I back that statement with about a half a *million* miles of _street_ riding. > as your riding progresses, the theories of riding change and how you apply your skills. The theories of riding (the physics of riding) do not change, your skills do. Full application of the front brake before weight transfer will result in a locked front wheel. Full application of the rear brake after the weight has transferred will result in a locked rear wheel. In other words for full braking you _must _increase pressure on the front brake while decreasing pressure on the rear as the weight transfers. No matter how skilled you get you cannot break the laws of physics. Testing has shown that even those of us who use both brakes "simultaneously" in fact apply the rear first, braking begins a fraction of a second sooner---often the difference between "Kissing" a bumper and smashing into it. In addition not using the rear brake *delays* the weight transfer, the result being that you cannot apply full front braking as early. When I first began riding the old wives tale was "Do not use the front brake, you will crash." The current age impaired domestic partners tale seems to be "Do not use the rear brake, you will crash." They are both equally wrong. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 10:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28FSdO01601 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:28:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308152833.42332.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:28:33 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:28:33 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: double bubble or euro speedscreen? To: shawn.brand@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000301c1c6b4$5be34b00$9865fea9@sallt10001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what is "better" wind deflection? be careful that you don't make your riding experience worse. wind in the chest is MUCH better than wind in the face. i've owned 4-5 zero gravity shields..... and have never had a single problem with fit, finish or function --- Shawn Brand wrote: > I'd like to get a smoked aftermarket wind screen for my > Super Hawk and it's > down to the Zero Gravity double bubble or the > Lockhart-Phillips euro > speedscreen. They both provide better wind deflection > than the stock screen. > Any major difference in quality or protection? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 10:32:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28FWlO01718 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:32:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308153246.41941.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:32:46 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:32:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Braking (sportbikes) To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000901c1c64c$00b72020$b681c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Danny baits - > > |> If your front wheel takes 'over 100% of the > braking force' > |>that would be a front wheel skid. > > "take over" not "over 100%" , 100% as in "all".. take > over all of > the braking force.. oh nevermind see now you're just > lawyering! > you bastard! > > > Oh yeah... well... you're.... GIMERING ! So > there! ;-) i've heard my name used as an expletive before, which was somewhat inspiring. it seems that now i've sunken to the level of a lowly verb.... doesn't that suck. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 10:39:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28FdAO01836 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:39:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308153859.129.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:38:59 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:38:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii my unsubscribe request went unanswered. rather than press the issue, i think i'll stay. besides, who would be left to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag handles the racers) -- tg --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > I think I speak for most of the listers when I say ... > > GOOD RIDDANCE! %^) > > Now go away or I will taunt you a second time. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:51:40 -0800 (PST) > To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for > 03/05/02 > > > --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > wrote: > > Gimer, > > > > Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! %^) > > heavens! > > unsubscribe me from this mailing list please > > > -- > tg > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX > > > > --- Ulrich Boser wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I got a ticket last night in DC for parking within 40 > > > feet of a curb - what the fuck? How could one park > > > anywhere? > > > > i think i speak for most of the listers when i request > > that > > you please watch your language. please remember that > > there > > are innocent little children on this list.... e.g., > sean > > jordan, chuck pena, etc. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 11:09:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28G9iO02489 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from LakeSueE@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.124.cea3675 (15871) for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mow-m32 (mow-m32.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID610-0308110929; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:09:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:09:29 EST From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX Subject: Friday night To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <124.cea3675.29ba3c39@aol.com> Is anyone interested in going on a evening ride through the city or somewhere interesting? Tonight and Sunday will be the only chances I get to ride this weekend. Sue From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 11:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28GDPO02596 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client102.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.102]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g28GDEi15321 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:13:14 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308111218.022b6a80@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:13:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 In-Reply-To: <20020308153859.129.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:38 AM 3/8/2002, you wrote: >my unsubscribe request went unanswered. rather than press >the issue, i think i'll stay. besides, who would be left >to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag handles the >racers) You may have anything in the fridge and $15 for the evening. $3/hr if we go after 10pm. No pay per view. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 11:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28GV4O02927 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g28GU8a18030 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:30:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:30:08 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday night In-Reply-To: <124.cea3675.29ba3c39@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Possibly, what's the plan? Hugh On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote: > Is anyone interested in going on a evening ride through the city or somewhere interesting? Tonight and Sunday will be the only chances I get to ride this weekend. > > Sue > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 11:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h009.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28GjgO03237 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 16067 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 08:45:36 -0800 Date: 8 Mar 2002 08:45:36 -0800 Message-ID: <20020308164536.16066.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Mar 2002 16:45:36 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Mar 2002 08:45:36 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: RE: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Fri, 08 March 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > my unsubscribe request went unanswered. rather than press > the issue, i think i'll stay. besides, who would be left > to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag handles the > racers) > > > -- > tg > I don't discriminate racer vs. non-racer...I will take care of all riders alike...but if you want to volunteer for that slot, I'll give it to you. :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 11:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28GmZO03267 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:48:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308164832.35001.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:48:32 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:48:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308111218.022b6a80@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > At 10:38 AM 3/8/2002, you wrote: > >my unsubscribe request went unanswered. rather than > >press the issue, i think i'll stay. besides, who would > >be left to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag > >handles the racers) > > You may have anything in the fridge and $15 for the > evening. $3/hr if we go after 10pm. No pay per view. hide your dirty undies. i'm a sniffer. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 11:57:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28GuxO03371 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.199.3638f9c (16118); Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID1210-0308115639; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:56:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:56:39 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday night To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <199.3638f9c.29ba4747@aol.com> Which city? I wouldn't mind going for a nice relaxed evening ride tonight. Keep me posted. Scooter In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:12:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, LakeSueE@XXXXXX writes: > Is anyone interested in going on a evening ride through the city or somewhere interesting? Tonight and Sunday will be the only chances I get to ride this weekend. > > Sue From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 11:58:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28GwVO03485 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.17e.4b78e09 (16114); Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from web48.aolmail.aol.com (web48.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.9]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID126-0308115759; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:57:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:57:59 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <17e.4b78e09.29ba4797@aol.com> OK. That's more than we needed to know about you Gimer. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:49:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tom Gimer writes: > --- Troutman wrote: > > At 10:38 AM 3/8/2002, you wrote: > > >my unsubscribe request went unanswered. rather than > > >press the issue, i think i'll stay. besides, who would > > >be left to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag > > >handles the racers) > > > > You may have anything in the fridge and $15 for the > > evening. $3/hr if we go after 10pm. No pay per view. > > hide your dirty undies. i'm a sniffer. ;) > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 12:02:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28H2ZO03596 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w043 ([168.144.108.43]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:02:37 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:03:50 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 17:02:37.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CA5A830:01C1C6C3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g28H2aO03597 TG, What the hell does it take to get you the f--k off this list??? My foot up your ass? Don't let the door hit you on the way out. %^) CP Original Message: my unsubscribe request went unanswered. rather than press the issue, i think i'll stay. besides, who would be left to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag handles the racers) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 12:21:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f5.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28HLYO03927 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:21:28 -0800 Received: from 68.48.87.207 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:21:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.87.207] From: "Rob Keiser" To: shawn.brand@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: double bubble or euro speedscreen? Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 12:21:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 17:21:28.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEB92230:01C1C6C5] Shawn, I'd don't know anything about the LP's, but I'm very happy with my ZG DB on my VFR. Fit, finish, and tint are all very well done. IMHO. The only drawback, is that the bubble's curve is too great to place the Smart Tag I used to have mounted on my OEM screen. Not an issue currently since I no longer work in VA, but something to mention. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Shawn Brand Reply-To: shawn.brand@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: double bubble or euro speedscreen? Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:17:26 -0500 I'd like to get a smoked aftermarket wind screen for my Super Hawk and it's down to the Zero Gravity double bubble or the Lockhart-Phillips euro speedscreen. They both provide better wind deflection than the stock screen. Any major difference in quality or protection? Shawn _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 12:32:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28HWsO04152 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g28HWri20734 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:32:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g28HWr611050 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:32:53 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:32:53 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Cheverly? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are looking to buy a house... and I saw some pretty nice bikes arranged around Cheverly, MD. Any listers live in Cheverly? If so, could you contact me off-list? I'd like to pick your brains about the neighborhood. Thanks, Fish. still helmetless From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 12:33:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28HXOO04162 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from LakeSueE@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.71.1bad0056 (15708) for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from web38.aolmail.aol.com (web38.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.14]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID55-0308123300; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 12:33:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 12:33:00 EST From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday night To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <71.1bad0056.29ba4fcc@aol.com> Paul suggested these rides for tonight and I have ridden them all before but would like company if anyone is interested. We could meet in DC or whereever. Paul: You could come down the GW Pkwy. to Old Town. Lots of bikes down at the waterfront on warm nights. You could continue down the GW to the traffic circle at Mount Vernon. A ride up Beach Drive through the park could be nice, just watch out for the Bambis. Hains Point too. sue From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 13:23:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f100.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28INXO04951 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:23:27 -0800 Received: from 68.50.58.239 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:23:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.50.58.239] From: "dannie davis" To: hcaldwell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday night Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:23:27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 18:23:27.0864 (UTC) FILETIME=[579E4F80:01C1C6CE] sure i'm available what's the plan dan DC/crystal city >From: hcaldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Friday night >Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:30:08 -0500 (EST) > > > Possibly, what's the plan? > >Hugh > >On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Is anyone interested in going on a evening ride through the city or >somewhere interesting? Tonight and Sunday will be the only chances I get >to ride this weekend. > > > > Sue > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 13:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mx-relay1.treas.gov (mx-relay1.treas.gov [199.196.144.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28IUDO05127 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tias4.treas.gov (tias-gw4.treas.gov [199.196.144.14]) by mx-relay1.treas.gov (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06522 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:30:12 -0500 (EST) From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Received: from no.name.available by tias4.treas.gov via smtpd (for mx-relay.treas.gov [199.196.144.5]) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 18:30:02 UT Received: from fw2.do.treas.gov. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub-3.net.treas.gov (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id g28IMrB29302 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.20.75.25] by fw2.do.treas.gov. via smtpd (for mailhub.net.treas.gov [10.7.8.11]) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 18:29:56 UT Received: from msbr02.do.treas.gov ([10.75.192.146]) by do.treas.gov (PMDF V6.0-24 #F4100) with ESMTP id <01KF4BEN6DYA8ZE2E2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by msbr02.do.treas.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1HX8K06J>; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:28:52 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:28:46 -0500 Subject: RE: Friday night To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am also interested, a final post stating time and location, once decisions are made, would help a lot. Thanks, Mike From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 13:51:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28IpnO05516 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g28IplF16949 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:51:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8907D8.7B419B70@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:50:01 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Free stuff begone! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First responder Glenn Dysart carted off the free stuff. This was stuff I actually tripped over, wait unitl I start in with the serious cleanout for more free stuff! Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 14:24:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28JOkO06088 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g28JOeD00351; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:24:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:24:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200203081924.g28JOeD00351@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: OT: Cheverly? Fish asks - She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are looking to buy a house... and I saw some pretty nice bikes arranged around Cheverly, MD. Any listers live in Cheverly? If so, could you contact me off-list? I'd like to pick your brains about the neighborhood. MD has higher motor vehicle theft rates than VA, but PG county in particular is a bad place for theft, and bike theft especially. IMHO, there are way too many other viable places to live that are safer, cheaper, lower taxes, better quality neighborhoods, and just plain nicer to live. HTH Dave While I am not a MD resident, nor do I play one on this list, I there for most of my life, and my grandparents lived in Cheverly. If you saw a bunch of nice bikes there, I'll bet at least one was stolen. Probably a few... Cheverly used to be a really nice place, but it has gone rapidly down hill, and the surrounding areas aren't exactly great neighborhoods. Thanks, Fish. still helmetless -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 14:43:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28JhTO06406 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g28JhSi23077 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:43:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g28JhSU01252 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:43:28 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:43:28 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: re: OT: Cheverly? In-Reply-To: <200203081924.g28JOeD00351@atlanta.pop3now.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > MD has higher motor vehicle theft rates than VA, but PG county in > particular is a bad place for theft, and bike theft especially. That may well be true, but sadly we're pretty much tied to PG County for geographical reasons (SWMBO works at Ft. Meade, I work in Alexandria) -- so we'd like to stay pretty close to 295. Given the close-to-295, close-to-DC, low-crime theme here, any good bike-friendly towns to look into? I may as well throw yet another crazy unattainable variable into the mix... Fish. thanks for the response, dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 14:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hosting-network.com (NODE1.HOSTING-NETWORK.COM [64.38.127.1] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28JsgO06592 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45214 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 19:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (170.252.3.2) by node-66.hosting-network.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 19:58:19 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308145510.020203b8@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:56:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vFR List From: Justin Lemrow Subject: new aggressive driving offense in VA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:05:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.macconnect.com (mail.macconnect.com [204.68.168.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28K5uO06827 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78603 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2002 20:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (68.49.154.33) by mail.macconnect.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 20:11:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:05:46 -0500 Subject: Re: double bubble or euro speedscreen? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: John West To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) i have a euro speedscreen. i like it - fit, finish, and tint are good on it as well. it's leaps better than the OEM screen. i've never ridden with a DB. i'm happy with it. -john On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 12:21 PM, Rob Keiser wrote: > Shawn, > > I'd don't know anything about the LP's, but I'm very happy with my ZG > DB on my VFR. Fit, finish, and tint are all very well done. IMHO. > > The only drawback, is that the bubble's curve is too great to place the > Smart Tag I used to have mounted on my OEM screen. Not an issue > currently since I no longer work in VA, but something to mention. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > From: Shawn Brand > Reply-To: shawn.brand@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: double bubble or euro speedscreen? > Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:17:26 -0500 > > I'd like to get a smoked aftermarket wind screen for my Super Hawk and > it's > down to the Zero Gravity double bubble or the Lockhart-Phillips euro > speedscreen. They both provide better wind deflection than the stock > screen. > Any major difference in quality or protection? > > Shawn > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20106.mail.yahoo.com (web20106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28K78O06848 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:07:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308200707.93606.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 12:07:07 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308145510.020203b8@mail.lemrow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I guess a lot of motorcycle operators had better clean up their act, then. I see riders riding like this all the time. I'm all for it. Now all we need is a means of dialing up the police chopper to point out the loony behaving in a seriously questionable manner. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (jdonovan@XXXXXX [204.94.239.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KGLO07031 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g28K4pN12598 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:04:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:04:51 -0500 (EST) From: JD To: Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308145510.020203b8@mail.lemrow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri., 8 Mar 2002, Justin Lemrow wrote: > Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html > Real mixed feelings on this one... Its nice to see efforts being made to discourage aggressive driving, but without specifics in the law, this becomes another officers judgement ticket, that is essentially uncontestable. -jd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:16:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KGXO07041 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.a9.23f40e29 (4462) for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:16:16 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:16:16 EST Subject: Article on street/track safety To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Interesting article from a racer/street rider on safety issues. http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/issues/feb02/injur.htm John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:18:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KIGO07090 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g28KIA720626; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:18:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:18:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200203082018.g28KIA720626@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: new aggressive driving offense in VA Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes: Great. Yet another traffic law. Sure, that's going to make everyone drive better. All that was needed was for VA police agencies to enforce more polite driving by stopping & ticketing idiots, left lane turtles and tailgaters. All of these are violations (except for idiocy), but VA refuses to enforce the 'drive right pass left law'. Did anyone else notice : weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, speeding or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person. the intent portion is going to be difficult to prove... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KL9O07212 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GSO008018J1T7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:21:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GSO008188J0R6@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:21:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GSO005018IRCH@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:21:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GSO003M88IH1M@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:20:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:20:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: Justin Lemrow Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vFR List Message-id: <3C891D15.16448912@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308145510.020203b8@mail.lemrow.com> Justin Lemrow wrote: > > Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html Last thing we needed, MORE laws when cops can't seem to enforce the existing ones. I love this: "The legislators said police officers need tools to punish what amounts to a motorist's state of mind." Doesn't that sound like the THOUGHT POLICE??? > House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with > aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, > failing to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, > passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from > passing, speeding or stopping on a highway. Hmm, why not just charge them with the EXISTING LAWS regarding weaving, tailgating, failure to yield, running a red light, using the shoulder, speeding, or stopping on the highway??? If those laws don't have enough teeth, increase the damned penalties. Or slap a Reckless on there, VA seems to be able to hand that charge out like candy. > And in a case that made headlines around the world, a former Virginia man > was convicted last year of felony animal cruelty when he yanked a fluffy > white bichon frise from a woman's car and tossed the dog into oncoming > traffic after a fender bender. Wow, sounds like they actually found a charge that stuck. If the guy was convicted of felony animal cruelty, I hope he's doing some time in jail. WHY DO WE THEN NEED YET ANOTHER LAW? ENFORCE THE ONES WE ALREADY HAVE!!! Sorry to yell, this is just one of my hot-buttons. Horkster -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:24:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KO0O07250 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.221.202]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g28KNxE28910256; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:23:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C891E70.C59DCD36@boo.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:26:24 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "ducatimonster@XXXXXX" , "mad-ducati@XXXXXX" Subject: Trick 1994 monster forsale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ducati M900 Monster 19994 - 8000 miles, red, well maintained, very loved, Aftermarket pipes, clip-ons, Rennsports, rearsets, sprocket, Corbin seat, brake and clutch lines, clutch cover, mirrors and rear fender kit. Lots of cool little touches. Won best sounding bike at Mid Atlantic Italian Bike Fest All stock parts. $6500 obo. Located in Maryland/ Metro Washington DC. Thanks!! Jay From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KQFO07281 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.150.a23e507 (4462) for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:26:01 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <150.a23e507.29ba7858@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:26:00 EST Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/8/2002 2:55:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, firblt@XXXXXX writes: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html I have said this before.... UNDEFINED CATCHALL BULLSHIT EXCUSE FOR ANY COP TO STOP ANYBODY AT ANY TIME. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:29:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KTxO07387 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from LakeSueE@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.196.36525a8 (15878) for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mow-m30 (mow-m30.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID75-0308152948; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:29:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:29:48 EST From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday night To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <196.36525a8.29ba793d@aol.com> I suggest meeting tonight at 7:30 or so. If you have a preference where, please let me know but I prefer DC and since my apartment is close by, I suggest meeting in front of the Air & Space Museum on the Jefferson Drive (Mall) side at 7:30. Happy to rearrange if someone has other preferences. sue > Paul suggested these rides for tonight and I have ridden them all before but would like company if anyone is interested. We could meet in DC or whereever. > > Paul: You could come down the GW Pkwy. to Old Town. Lots of bikes down at the > waterfront on warm nights. You could continue down the GW to the traffic > circle at Mount Vernon. A ride up Beach Drive through the park could be > nice, just watch out for the Bambis. Hains Point too. > > > > sue From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:34:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KYkO07476 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-110-133.s2165.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.110.133] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16jR4e-0001RZ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:34:45 -0500 Message-ID: <011a01c1c6e0$b84b4880$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308145510.020203b8@mail.lemrow.com> Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:34:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Two excerpts from the article: The legislators said police officers need tools to punish what amounts to a motorist's state of mind. However subjective, aggressive behavior routinely is responsible for more and more serious accidents as drivers with long commutes and the distraction of cell phones crowd onto roads built for a fraction of the cars that travel them every day. House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, speeding or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person. +++++++++++++++++ I'm not sure this is such a great idea, heightening penalties based on "state of mind." Why is it better in the eyes of the law to run a red light due to simple inattention rather than road rage? Should I get a lesser ticket for cutting someone off in traffic because I just ate a soporific cheeseburger and wasn't paying attention rather than if my answer is "I decided to get that a-hole on the red motorcycle." If you plank another vehicle in the process, the result is the same. The "state of mind" argument is fashionable now in other arenas, such as in so-called "hate crimes." Why is murdering someone for reasons of hate any worse than killing someone for financial gain? To me is a slippery slope to punishing thought rather than behavior. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Lemrow" To: ; "vFR List" Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: new aggressive driving offense in VA > Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html > > > 1999 VFR 800 > Northern VA/Washington DC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:35:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28KZZO07563 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19762 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 20:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcpiii1000) (64.3.32.57) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with SMTP; 08 Mar 2002 20:35:55 -0000 Message-ID: <012001c1c6e0$cb636fb0$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <200203082018.g28KIA720626@atlanta.pop3now.com> Subject: CCS Liscense Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:35:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Have any of you CCS racers received your 2002 racing license yet? -Dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28Kb4O07573 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g28KawH27312; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:36:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:36:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200203082036.g28KawH27312@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA John made his aggressive intent clear - I have said this before.... UNDEFINED CATCHALL BULLSHIT EXCUSE FOR ANY COP TO STOP ANYBODY AT ANY TIME. I emailed the NMA after checking out all the 'pro traffic cop' legislation that had been proposed in the legislature, and allegedly there is a VA chapter, but you wouldn't know it. There is virtually ZERO opposition to this crap in the VA Legislature. If anything, they need to simplify the code... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KewO07634 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:40:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:40:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200203081540.AA109248958@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA X-Mailer: Nice in principle, but since police don't seem to ticket tailgaters, unsafe lane changers, and others like that this seems to be just a way to charge aggressive drivers with more offenses AFTER they wreck or hurt someone. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Justin Lemrow Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:56:05 -0500 >Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes: > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61453-2002Mar8.html > > >1999 VFR 800 >Northern VA/Washington DC > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:40:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KewO07636 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g28KfVj18878 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:41:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:41:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: new aggressive driving offense in VA In-Reply-To: <200203082018.g28KIA720626@atlanta.pop3now.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Other people wrote: > Don't know if you guys have seen/heard about this one, but here goes: > > Great. Yet another traffic law. Sure, that's going to make > everyone drive better. All that was needed was for VA police > agencies to enforce more polite driving by stopping & ticketing > idiots, left lane turtles and tailgaters. All of these are > violations (except for idiocy), but VA refuses to enforce the 'drive > right pass left law'. > > Did anyone else notice : > weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing to yield to other cars > when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, passing on the left or > the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, speeding or > stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent > to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person. > > the intent portion is going to be difficult to prove... Maybe someone who's good at marketing could turn this into an opportunity to go into a consumer oriented car/bike mounted video camera business. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 15:46:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28KkIO07801 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g28KkDl31011; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:46:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:46:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200203082046.g28KkDl31011@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Thought police Paul asks - The "state of mind" argument is fashionable now in other arenas, such as in so-called "hate crimes." Why is murdering someone for reasons of hate any worse than killing someone for financial gain? Only if the 'object' of the hate crime, or victim, is of a 'protected class' of citizens. And the answer is because they have a small, but vocal lobby with an effective public relations campaign. If you oppose hate crimes, you are immediately 'tarred and feathered' in the press, by said small vocal minorities as - extremists, seperatists, segregationists, bigots, etc... because of the stigma that 'label' carries, politicians are loathe to oppose such. To me is a slippery slope to punishing thought rather than behavior. SO?! Nowhere in the US Constitution, or any state Constitution do you have the right to free thought. Therefore, the State has an interest in regulating thought. Congress can do so because thought has a direct impact on interstate commerce, since you need to think to be able to cross state lines or ship something across state lines. Thought has repeatedly proven deadly in human history, and therefore it is a 'reasonable infringement' for the Government to regulate our thought. What's the problem? :-( Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 16:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28L93O08237 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client102.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.102]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g28L8vi17765 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:08:57 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308160750.022a9510@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:08:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA In-Reply-To: <200203082036.g28KawH27312@atlanta.pop3now.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:36 PM 3/8/2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >I emailed the NMA after checking out all the 'pro traffic >cop' legislation that had been proposed in the legislature, and >allegedly there is a VA chapter, but you wouldn't know it. There is >virtually ZERO opposition to this crap in the VA Legislature. If >anything, they need to simplify the code... There are two or three active NMA chapters in VA. The priority has been the red light cameras and speed camera. NMA doesn't have the lobby $ required to make much of a legislative difference yet. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 16:16:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h010.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.174]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28LGOO08402 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 19480 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 13:16:17 -0800 Date: 8 Mar 2002 13:16:17 -0800 Message-ID: <20020308211617.19479.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Mar 2002 21:16:17 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Mar 2002 13:16:17 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: CCS Liscense X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Fri, 08 March 2002, "Dave Cross" wrote: > > Have any of you CCS racers received your 2002 racing license yet? > Nope--not yet. last year I didn't receive my WERA one until the last race of the season. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 16:18:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28LIEO08419 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client102.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.102]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g28LI9i17836 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:18:09 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308161723.021bf418@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:17:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: AD bill wording Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone notice this? (from the post article) "House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, speeding or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person." Since when is passing on the left an offense? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 16:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [155.201.16.24]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28LN8O08525 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id QAA29529; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma029084; Fri, 8 Mar 02 16:19:31 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GSO002E7BB7W1@XXXXXX>; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:21:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:22:35 -0500 Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9 |November 16, 2001) at 03/08/2002 04:22:46 PM C;mon Hork ... you already know the answer to that. We have taken what amounts to a lack of tolerance of others on the road, labeled it roadrage and reported it ad naseum through the media. Politicians feel they HAVE to address this new critical issue facing society!!! Sad, but true, --chris Dale Horstman on 03/08/2002 03:20:37 PM To: Justin Lemrow cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX vFR List Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA Hmm, why not just charge them with the EXISTING LAWS regarding weaving, tailgating, failure to yield, running a red light, using the shoulder, speeding, or stopping on the highway??? If those laws don't have enough teeth, increase the damned penalties. Or slap a Reckless on there, VA seems to be able to hand that charge out like candy. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 16:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28LPeO08545 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-47-236.s2014.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.236] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16jRrt-00074t-00; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:25:39 -0500 Message-ID: <01cb01c1c6e7$d36bffe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Troutman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308161723.021bf418@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: AD bill wording Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:25:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" > Anyone notice this? (from the post article) > > "House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with > aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing > to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, > passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, > speeding or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to > "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person." > > Since when is passing on the left an offense? > I assumed they meant crossing the double-yellow, but who knows. Let's see, if reckless regularly gets pleaded down to "improper driving", aggressive driving will get pleaded down to what? Promise not to do it again and attend "charm school"? Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 16:30:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28LUSO08753 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id o.16c.9f78515 (15871); Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID610-0308163006; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:30:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:30:06 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AD bill wording To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <16c.9f78515.29ba875e@aol.com> I noticed. I just wrote it off as a typo. My read would be "passing on the left the shoulder". Seems to make better sense. Scooter In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 4:20:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Troutman writes: > Anyone notice this? (from the post article) > > "House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with > aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing > to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, > passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, > speeding or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to > "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person." > > Since when is passing on the left an offense? > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 16:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28LUaO08763 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g28LUUe14573; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:30:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:30:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200203082130.g28LUUe14573@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: text of AD statute as passed from leg1.state.va.us M-' 46.2-868.1. Aggressive driving; penalties. A. A person is guilty of aggressive driving if (i) the person violates one or more of the following: M-' 46.2-802 (Drive on right side of highways), M-' 46.2-804 (Failure to observe lanes marked for traffic), M-' 46.2-816 (Following too closely), M-' 46.2-821 (Vehicles before entering certain highways shall stop or yield right-of-way), M-' 46.2-833.1 (Evasion of traffic control devices), M-' 46.2-838 (Passing when overtaking a vehicle), M-' 46.2-841 (When overtaking vehicle may pass on right), M-' 46.2-842 (Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle), M-' 46.2-842.1 (Driver to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on divided highway), M-' 46.2-843 (Limitations on overtaking and passing), any provision of Article 8 (M-' 46.2-870 et seq.) of Title 46.2 (Speed), or M-' 46.2-888 (Stopping on highway); and (ii) that person commits an offense in clause (i) with the intent to harass, intimidate or obstruct another person. B. Aggressive driving shall be punished as a Class 2 misdemeanor. In addition, the court may require successful completion of an aggressive driving program. It seems to be a 'compound' offense - IOW, it requires one of several elements AND intent to harass, intimidate or obstruct another person... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 16:39:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28LdkO08902 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020308213945.GNGN17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:39:45 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2a.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020308213944.YURV3450.dcmail2a@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:39:44 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:37:41 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269863601F1@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: new aggressive driving offense in VA Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:40:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In keeping with the Bad Driving thread, I'd like to share this particularly distrubing story. Not MC related but really messed up anyway. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20020308/ap_on_re_ us/hit_and_run_death_7 cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 16:42:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28LgmO09016 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23932 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:42:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020308165237.02361200@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:52:38 -0500 To: From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Throttlemeister Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:01 AM 3/8/02 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >You got their website? Throttlemeister's website lists them at $130 for my R6. $147 if I want the larger unit. > >Scooter www.azmotorsports.com :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 17:41:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28MfHO09888 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-221.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.221] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jT2r-0000mY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:41:01 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020308174014.00b02c88@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:42:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Braking (sportbikes) In-Reply-To: <20020308153246.41941.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000901c1c64c$00b72020$b681c0cf@nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:32 AM 3/8/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Dave Yates wrote: > > Oh yeah... well... you're.... GIMERING ! So > > there! ;-) > >i've heard my name used as an expletive before, which was >somewhat inspiring. > >it seems that now i've sunken to the level of a lowly >verb.... doesn't that suck. Ah, but at least you're intransitive. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 17:53:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28Mr1O10112 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g28Mqwl29221; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3C894060.3393C02B@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:51:13 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AD bill wording References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308161723.021bf418@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure it *means* passing on the right, which is allready agin the law. (Me being the recipiant of a passing on the right tickee way back in `60 sumpin) Bill Troutman wrote: > Anyone notice this? (from the post article) > > "House Bill 1342 and Senate Bill 522 allow police to charge motorists with > aggressive driving if they are weaving between lanes, tailgating, failing > to yield to other cars when entering a highway, ignoring a red light, > passing on the left or the shoulder, blocking another driver from passing, > speeding or stopping on a highway. The driver must also show an intent to > "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" another person." > > Since when is passing on the left an offense? > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 18:13:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g28NDgO10465 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:13:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308231341.21326.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:13:41 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: panty-sniffing, WAS RE: unsubscribe Was: RE: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/02 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <17e.4b78e09.29ba4797@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii oops....i forgot the smiley. obviously i would never be involved in something so devious and downright disgusting as panty-sniffing.... -- tg --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > OK. That's more than we needed to know about you Gimer. > ;-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:49:28 AM Eastern > Standard Time, Tom Gimer writes: > > > --- Troutman wrote: > > > At 10:38 AM 3/8/2002, you wrote: > > > >my unsubscribe request went unanswered. rather than > > > >press the issue, i think i'll stay. besides, who > would > > > >be left to babysit the non-racers? (we all know lag > > > >handles the racers) > > > > > > You may have anything in the fridge and $15 for the > > > evening. $3/hr if we go after 10pm. No pay per > view. > > > > hide your dirty undies. i'm a sniffer. ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 18:34:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28NYWO10806 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.47.196c5963 (3960); Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:34:23 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <47.196c5963.29baa47e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:34:22 EST Subject: Re: Friday night To: LakeSueE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.196c5963.29baa47e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 --part1_47.196c5963.29baa47e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2002 3:31:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, LakeSueE@XXXXXX writes: > I suggest meeting tonight at 7:30 or so. If you have a preference where, > please let me know but I prefer DC and since my apartment is close by, I > suggest meeting in front of the Air & Space Museum on the Jefferson Drive > (Mall) side at 7:30. > > Happy to rearrange if someone has other preferences. > > sue > Sounds like a plan to me. I'll see you there. BTW, what's the (un)planned route? Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_47.196c5963.29baa47e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2002 3:31:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, LakeSueE@XXXXXX writes:


I suggest meeting tonight at 7:30 or so.  If you have a preference where, please let me know but I prefer DC and since my apartment is close by, I suggest meeting in front of the Air & Space Museum on the Jefferson Drive (Mall) side at 7:30.  

Happy to rearrange if someone has other preferences.

sue


Sounds like a plan to me.  I'll see you there.  BTW, what's the (un)planned route?

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)
--part1_47.196c5963.29baa47e_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 18:39:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28NdOO10894 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-63.215.154.106.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([63.215.154.106]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jTxB-0005eS-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:39:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <47.196c5963.29baa47e@aol.com> References: <47.196c5963.29baa47e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:35:49 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: Friday night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1196491942==_ma============" --============_-1196491942==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Ok.. Where and when is the metting place? I'm coming from Sterling, VA, and am interested in coming out... -- --============_-1196491942==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Friday night
Ok.. Where and when is the metting place? I'm coming from Sterling, VA, and am interested in coming out...
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--============_-1196491942==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 18:49:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28NnUO11120 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 8.171.9f61b3d (30951); Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:49:17 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <171.9f61b3d.29baa7fc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:49:16 EST Subject: Re: Friday night To: thomasajordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_171.9f61b3d.29baa7fc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 --part1_171.9f61b3d.29baa7fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2002 6:40:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, thomasajordan@XXXXXX writes: > Ok.. Where and when is the metting place? I'm coming from Sterling, VA, and > am interested in coming out... > Air and Space Museum. 7:30. Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_171.9f61b3d.29baa7fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2002 6:40:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, thomasajordan@XXXXXX writes:


Ok.. Where and when is the metting place? I'm coming from Sterling, VA, and am interested in coming out...


Air and Space Museum.  7:30.

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)
--part1_171.9f61b3d.29baa7fc_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 18:55:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g28NtkO11243 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA19697 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06952 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.50]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSOIG701.AIN for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:55:19 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'Dc-Cycles'" Subject: My winter TL project is done Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c1c6fc$80afaee0$1606030a@d478406837> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Winter never really got here this year, and I rode off and on all winter. Because of this I got a really late start tearing her down for the valve adjustment (you pretty much have to strip it naked and remove the radiators to do it). I have new rubber, powder-coated wheels, and Lindemann did my forks with black anodized outers and gold nitrate sliders. Went for a ride...the suspension is awesome. Took the whole week off to do it right. Check out the Freestyle Moto Design undertail. COME ON SUMMER!!! http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00063.jpg http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00064.jpg http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00065.jpg http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/gwftlr/gwf00066.jpg Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club mailto:gary@XXXXXX TL Owners Club: http://www.tl1000.com TL Owners Board: http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard TL Message Board: http://www.voy.com/14718/ Yahoo TL Pit: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tl1000pit From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 20:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g291KOO12770 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:20:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020309012023.28070.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.38.17] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:20:23 PST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:20:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020308200707.93606.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > I guess a lot of motorcycle operators had better clean up > their act, > then. I see riders riding like this all the time. I'm all > for it. good luck trying to prove that a client of mine had the intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" a driver and his 3000+ pound vehicle while on his open-air 400-700lb defenseless motorcycle > Now all we need is a means of dialing up the police > chopper to point out > the loony behaving in a seriously questionable manner. also a brilliant idea. that way we could keep the police choppers in the air, constantly, at $10k per hour (or whatever the silly friggin figure is), at OUR expense. -- tg (waking from a nightmare in which i'm a virginia resident and taxpayer....) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 21:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g292ZiO13878 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.12d.db4134e (4397); Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12d.db4134e.29bacef7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:35:35 EST Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 MSF is designed for the cruiser rider. Forget the rear brake until you are a real expert rider. I have been road racing for over 30 years and either on the street or track the rear brake has been a dangerous option. If you are real good you can use the rear brake to induce a controlled slide in a turn, otherwise leave it alone. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 21:53:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01b.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g292r6O14102 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10614 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 01:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.200.1?) ([170.215.128.196]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Mar 2002 01:43:51 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:43:49 -0500 Subject: Summer riding pants From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just received what may an interesting alternative to expensive riding jeans from an outfit called JD American Workwear. They are a very heavy denim jean with padded leather covered knees and leather covered butt. The good news is they are on sale for $25 a pair--the bad news is they are going out of business on 1April. Check the website at http://www.jdamerican.com Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 8 23:08:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2948dO15603 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA32547; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:08:37 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020308231834.026cb124@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 23:18:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Throttlemeister Cc: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:52 PM 3/8/02 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:01 AM 3/8/02 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >>You got their website? Throttlemeister's website lists them at $130 for >my R6. $147 if I want the larger unit. >> >>Scooter > >www.azmotorsports.com :-) Here is a link to directions showing how to convert a stock bar end to a throttle lock - http://pub31.ezboard.com/fazbiketechfrm2.showMessage?topicID=10.topic -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 00:32:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g295WsO16780 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.b0.233c7d96 (3928); Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:32:42 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:32:42 EST Subject: Re: CCS Liscense To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b0.233c7d96.29baf87a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 --part1_b0.233c7d96.29baf87a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/02 3:37:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, dave@XXXXXX writes: > Have any of you CCS racers received your 2002 racing license yet? Nope. Keener --part1_b0.233c7d96.29baf87a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/02 3:37:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, dave@XXXXXX writes:


Have any of you CCS racers received your 2002 racing license yet?


Nope.

Keener
--part1_b0.233c7d96.29baf87a_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 00:46:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g295kcO17001 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.6a.1c63307d (3858) for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:46:26 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6a.1c63307d.29bafbb2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:46:26 EST Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sorry but there is just no way I can let this one slide. In a message dated 3/8/2002 9:35:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Boia de writes: > MSF is designed for the cruiser rider. Forget the rear brake until you are > a real expert rider. I have been road racing for over 30 years and either on > the street or track the rear brake has been a dangerous option. If you are > real good you can use the rear brake to induce a controlled slide in a turn, > otherwise leave it alone. Absolute unadulterated bullshit! And a damn good way to get a new rider killed. The rear brake is not now and never has been dangerous. I started using it back in 65 and have NEVER had a problem with it. Again BULLSHIT! From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 05:33:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29AXgO23718 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 05:33:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16jeAW-0006VC-00; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 05:33:41 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: OT: Cheverly? Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 05:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200203081924.g28JOeD00351@atlanta.pop3now.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g29AXnO23719 295 (in MD) sucks for commuting. 2 lanes of slow traffic, half a shoulder, and people who act like cars on the side of the road are tv shows. Cheverly would make her commute a breeze, and be a compramise for you. The more north you go, the worse your commute will be. The more south you go, the better for you, but her commute will start to suck if she's "coming into dc" in her commute. So I guess if she wears the pants, cheverly it is. Cheverly isn't too bad, especially if you live within the main section. The section by the apartments is sucky though. If you live on that main street or some street off of that, the neighborhood is good. if you live off 202 landover road, the neighborhood will suck. Surrounding landover neighborhoods are bad. access to 50 and 295 is nice. Danny On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:43:28 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: |> |>> MD has higher motor vehicle theft rates than VA, but PG county in |>> particular is a bad place for theft, and bike theft especially. |> |>That may well be true, but sadly we're pretty much tied to PG County for |>geographical reasons (SWMBO works at Ft. Meade, I work in Alexandria) -- |>so we'd like to stay pretty close to 295. |> |>Given the close-to-295, close-to-DC, low-crime theme here, any good |>bike-friendly towns to look into? I may as well throw yet another crazy |>unattainable variable into the mix... |> |>Fish. |>thanks for the response, dave |> From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 06:12:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29BCTO24278 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 06:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16jem4-00001d-00; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 06:15:49 -0500 Message-ID: <9ppj8ucmpf68to29s8f6s9o9iheq2afl53@4ax.com> References: <8d.1501d683.29ba30b5@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8d.1501d683.29ba30b5@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g29BCVO24279 SPORTBIKES I have to disagree with what you say, in relationship to SPORTBIKES. What is your experience with modern day sport bikes? rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide, causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side. where as a proper use of the front brake will cause the bike to stop in the best manner, control and distance. 10 mph or 100 mph. (anyone who doesn't believe me, go try it) I don't want to hear "msf does tests".. without the data. on what bikes? I want to see actual data. Show me the studies and the tests to back up the claims. Show me proof. A back wheel provides poor braking at 10 mph or 100 mph. Compare both to front only braking. It's no contest. The front brake can do the same "weight shifting" bullcrap theory the rear brake can do, and far out perform any rear brake usage. Also as far as "ideal conditions" most street surfaces are ideal enough for front brake usage, we do it every day. Riders are scanning the road before they get to that section of road, and then out of no where comes an obstacle, and riders brake hard on the section of road they already scanned. If any road contaminants exist, and one is emergency braking, the front and rear wheel will probably equally slide out. I see no rear brake benefit. Also 100% weight transfer is possible. People sometimes flip their bikes over right before impact. People sometimes slow down so much their rear wheel comes off the ground. I've done it, my friends have done it. It happens. Remember, we are talkign SPORTBIKES. I don't mind you giving your advice to cruiser riders, but let's not give new sport bike riders bad info. For sport bike riders: The truth is rear brake = trouble. It causes the bike to slide, wobble, low side, or high side. I would reason that using the rear brake to shift weight to the front is ridiculous. The application of the front brake already shifts the weight,and if you aren't using the front brake, you've wasted valuable time. Plus using the front brake to shift the weight forward also helps your braking be at the proper pressure to add more pressure. If application of the rear brake with the front cuased the bike to actually slow down better, racers would use that technique, and the fact is, simply, they don't use rear brakes to slow down, and that back brake theory is wrong for sport bikes. The front wheel will slip, no matter which brake was used to shift the weight forward, if the force is over exerted for the traction available. Let's cut the bullshit. In regards to sport bikes: front brake = good back brake = bad a one shot strong grab of any brake front or rear is bad. A fast quick yet gradual application fo the front brake is best. That's my word as an experienced sport bike rider who can apply soley the front brake hard enough to get the rear wheel off the ground while braking. Don't apply cruiser advice to sport bikes. I am willing to take on any challenges from cruiser riders to see who can stop in the least amount of space. I wager not only would my distances be shorter, but also more controlled. They have the option to ride cruiser or sport bikes. I dont' care. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 06:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29BDOO24300 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 06:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16jemx-00003l-00; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 06:13:23 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 06:16:44 -0500 Message-ID: <8orj8u0g4f70iigpeshal41ho4kb37nfc4@4ax.com> References: <6a.1c63307d.29bafbb2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6a.1c63307d.29bafbb2@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g29BDOO24301 On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:46:26 EST, you wrote: |>Sorry but there is just no way I can let this one slide. |> |>In a message dated 3/8/2002 9:35:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Boia de writes: |> |>> MSF is designed for the cruiser rider. Forget the rear brake until you are |>> a real expert rider. I have been road racing for over 30 years and either |>on |>> the street or track the rear brake has been a dangerous option. If you are |>> real good you can use the rear brake to induce a controlled slide in a |>turn, |>> otherwise leave it alone. |> |> |>Absolute unadulterated bullshit! |>And a damn good way to get a new rider killed. |>The rear brake is not now and never has been dangerous. |>I started using it back in 65 and have NEVER had a problem with it. |>Again BULLSHIT! I agree with the first poster and say your bullshit is bullshit itself. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 06:19:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29BJIO24385 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 06:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16jesg-0000Fw-00; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 06:19:18 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC traffic question Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 06:22:39 -0500 Message-ID: <8srj8uoo8910o64ft83kmd5t0g6g1cr5n8@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g29BJJO24386 Wouldn't it be easier to find an alternative route than that section of road? beware of burning someone with your exhaust pipe. I don't know if it's illegal or not. If the sidewalk was empty, I'd either try it or ride on it, if no cops were present. If cops were present, i'd keep my bike off the sidewalk. If it was crowded i'd just wait in traffic. (if no cops present) Also I notice that DC tickets are really pretty effing weak. people get pulled over for stuff and get fined like 50 bux Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 07:31:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29CVeO25508 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 07:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29CVc616895; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 07:31:38 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8A0040.3F2EF7A0@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 07:29:52 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) References: <6a.1c63307d.29bafbb2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Sorry but there is just no way I can let this one slide. > Nor can I... > > MSF is designed for the cruiser rider. Forget the rear brake until you are > > a real expert rider. I have been road racing for over 30 years and either > on > > the street or track the rear brake has been a dangerous option. If you are > > real good you can use the rear brake to induce a controlled slide in a > turn, > > otherwise leave it alone. > > Absolute unadulterated bullshit! > And a damn good way to get a new rider killed. > The rear brake is not now and never has been dangerous. > I started using it back in 65 and have NEVER had a problem with it. > Again BULLSHIT! Agreed. On the street, riding in a reasonably prudent manner, mere physics decrees that two pads of rubber is better than one. It doesn't matter is the dang machine is a cruiser, dual purpose, sportbike, or anchient standard. Those who believe that judicious application of both brakes is dangerous flat don't know how to ride, end of story, and maybe and end to their spotless health should they ever encounter a situation where stopping in the shortest distnace possible is required. Good grief, ignoring the rear brake is as ludicrious as the deluded folks who won't touch the front for fear of doing an endo on their head. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 07:39:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29CdUO25604 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 07:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29CdR617974; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 07:39:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8A0215.2C574715@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 07:37:41 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES References: <8d.1501d683.29ba30b5@aol.com> <9ppj8ucmpf68to29s8f6s9o9iheq2afl53@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > SPORTBIKES > > I have to disagree with what you say, in relationship to SPORTBIKES. > What is your experience with modern day sport bikes? Riden them, never had a problem applying both brakes. Engineers are marvelous creatures, they know what works, they install two brakes. > rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide, > causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side. That would be OVERUSAGE! Learn to ride, learn to apply the brakes instead of jumping on them. > where as a proper use of the front brake will cause the bike to stop > in the best manner, control and distance. 10 mph or 100 mph. > (anyone who doesn't believe me, go try it) Yes, the front brake is the main source of stopping power. However, while doing tight turns in a parking lot situation (looking for that available space) I use rear only. Try grabbing that oh-so-wonderful front brake while your wheel is turned. El dumpo. Sniped the remainder of the inane BS... Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 09:10:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29EAoO26983 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p63.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.191]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g29EAbAp024700 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:10:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:11:07 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c1c774$43ee29a0$bf82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <9ppj8ucmpf68to29s8f6s9o9iheq2afl53@4ax.com> Importance: Normal Danny opines - SPORTBIKES I have to disagree with what you say, in relationship to SPORTBIKES. What is your experience with modern day sport bikes? rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide, causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side. Danny, I like you and all (considering we've never met), but using the rear brake in and of itself won't do a God Damned thing to cause you to wreck. If you ABuse it, maybe. If you use it STUPIDLY, perhaps... where as a proper use of the front brake will cause the bike to stop in the best manner, control and distance. 10 mph or 100 mph. (anyone who doesn't believe me, go try it) I don't want to hear "msf does tests".. without the data. on what bikes? I want to see actual data. Show me the studies and the tests to back up the claims. Show me proof. Pick up a motorcycle magazine. Doesn't matter which one. Now, go to the braking test section. Please point out to me where it says anything REMOTELY like 'the back brake is for Shit, so we stopped using only the front'... Step up here Danny, we need facts and figures here. Remember, we are talkign SPORTBIKES. I don't mind you giving your advice to cruiser riders, but let's not give new sport bike riders bad info. Danny, all due respect, but you are asserting your opinion as fact, and that is irresponsible. If you noticed, Laura said 'what's worked for me' and 'in my experience'... At least have the decency, courtesy & respect for newer riders to not put them in harms way by making them think that your rear brake diatribe is anything more than complete, uneducated, moronic, rancid bull shit. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 09:11:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29EBqO26993 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p63.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.191]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g29EBaAp024793; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:11:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c1c774$680b7680$bf82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <8orj8u0g4f70iigpeshal41ho4kb37nfc4@4ax.com> Importance: Normal I agree with the first poster and say your bullshit is bullshit itself. Now THIS is more like the DCC brake threads I remember ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 09:16:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29EGtO27177 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p63.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.191]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g29EGrAp025248 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c1c775$25db13a0$bf82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <12d.db4134e.29bacef7@aol.com> Importance: Normal MSF is designed for the cruiser rider. Forget the rear brake until you are a real expert rider. I have been road racing for over 30 years and either on the street or track the rear brake has been a dangerous option. What figures, statistics and F A C T do you have to back that up ? Not your opinion, don't waste the bandwidth if you can't come up with other than "I know, it is this way." If you are real good you can use the rear brake to induce a controlled slide in a turn, otherwise leave it alone. It took a while for the chest pounding to begin. Let's see who's going to show up with the hard numbers... I just can't wait for *someone* to show definitive data that contradicts years of MSF testing that shows both brakes stop better than either single unit.... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 10:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29FJRO28062 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g29FIxw31278 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:19:15 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:18:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <6a.1c63307d.29bafbb2@aol.com> <3C8A0040.3F2EF7A0@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3C8A0040.3F2EF7A0@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0203091018590D.22488@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jeez... didn't we do the braking thing not 6 months ago? On my Harley, the rear brake was usefull... all the time. It was a 650lbs motorcycle with front brakes that could not cause 100% weight transfer to the front wheel, so using the rear brake all the time was very prudent - it was actually quite difficult to over use it. On a sportbike, it is more *difficult* to use the rear brake properly (over say, 35 mph), and most people will never master the skill. This is not to say that you should or shouldn't try... that's up to the rider. The laws of physics say that at the start of your braking the use of the rear brake will cause the bike to squat (the swingarm pivots counter-clockwise when you apply the rear brake). This lowers the bike's center of gravity, which will then make the front brakes work even better because of where the weight of the bike is in relation to the front axle. As you use apply the front brake, weight transfers forward and you must decrease your rear brake usage to compensate or risk locking up the rear wheel. You have two contact patches, each being used for deceleration, so maximum results will be achieved. If you can do the above without locking up to rear the majority of the time, my hat is off to you... I can't. On any of the sportbikes I've ridden in the last 3 years the rear brake pedal offers little if any feedback, and it's very hard to determine just how much pressure you can give it at any point in time - especially since you can't focus entirely on that while trying to decelerate your bike from a high rate of speed. Add to this that you're using a hard soled boot to depress it, and you're pretty much in the dark untill the rear starts sliding. In a parking lot, or in traffic under 35mph? Sure... I can do it. And as Bill said, using the rear brake only is VERY usefull when making 5mph tight turns, or a U-turn. ::shrug:: Theory and practice are rarely the same. I'll stick to the front brake only on sportbikes when doing high-speed, straight-line braking. But that's my choice, and that at which I've become proficient. Your milage may vary. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 10:27:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29FRwO28220 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.c.2455c7b8 (4441) for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:27:48 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:27:48 EST Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g29FRxO28221 Now this is fun! In a message dated 3/9/2002 6:12:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > I have to disagree with what you say, in relationship to SPORTBIKES. > What is your experience with modern day sport bikes? > Quite a bit, I spent 8 years as a mechanic after all, and I like them. > rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide, > causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side. > Again the only answer is BULLSHIT! I have ridden sportbikes and always use the rear brakes, I have never had an unexpected lock up. If the brake does lock up IT IS NO BIG DEAL!!! I have seen literally thousands of new riders deliberately lock the rear wheel and skid, and not one of them has had any problems with control, not one has crashed and most say "Can I do it again?" Beginning rider course (MRC: RSS) braking exercises include: Stopping with both brakes (always) Stopping quickly with both brakes Stopping quickly on command with both brakes Stopping on a curve with both brakes Stopping quickly on a curve with both brakes CONTROLLING REAR WHEEL SKIDS. Experienced rider courses which are ridden on your own bike, include all of the above but exclude the rear wheel skid for bikes with linked brakes due to the danger of _front_ wheel lock up. I have seen hundreds of sportbikes lock the rear wheel and skid with not problems at all. Fear of the rear brake is irrational A rear wheel skid is easy to control (ask ANY MSF graduate) I have in fact, while practicing (on my bike) to demonstrate rear wheel lock up, skidded so far that I _literally_ had time to think "I wish I had brought a magazine to read." (Brand new pavement, wet, new tire.) The point is I was not thinking "Oh Shit, Oh Shit, Oh Shit!!!" I was bored. In emergency I have skidded a rear wheel (No front brake, SURPRISE!! ) some 30 or 40ft. on pavement, 4-6 on dirt, and another 8-10 paved, all the time curving towards a small dirt hill I was hoping would stop me before I got to the rock lined ditch. I do admit at the time I was thinking "Oh Shit, Oh Shit, Oh Shit!!!" But not because of the rear wheel lock up but because I donM-bM-^@M-^Yt like crashing into rocks. (I was halfway up the hill before I stopped.) If you are afraid of rear wheel skids you need to practice them I suggest the MSF experienced rider course but if testosterone poisoning prevents you from doing that find yourself someplace and just do it. Remember thousand upon thousands of virgin riders across the country have had no problems controlling rear wheel skids, if they can do it so can you. Oh MSF is not just for cruiser riders or even cruiser orientated, it was founded in the early 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys and was (still is) by the motorcycle manufacturers including all of the Japanese brands and Harley. In the 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys not one of the Japanese manufacturers was building a cruiser *Not one!* Why would they fund a cruiser orientated class? Current funders include Ducati who as we all know only builds cruisers and knows nothing about sportbikes. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 10:29:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-2.cais.net (stmpy-2.cais.net [205.252.14.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29FTDO28244 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (195.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.195]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g29FTBl77574 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:29:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00bf01c1c77c$9be60620$c938e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Braking (sportbikes) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:10:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In DC try the big Carter Barron lots off 16th Street NW (1-1/2 mi no of Columbia Rd in Rock Creek Park). Regularly used for driver/rider training. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> I swerve for the potholes Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: "Dave Yates" Subject: RE: Braking (sportbikes) . . . snip snip snip Not at all, so long as you're not riding stupidly. and for the purposes of braking exercises, you don't need to. Just go to DC to do your panic brake exercises, their traffic is a free for all... just remember to use the sidewalks ;-) From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 10:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29FW9O28329 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g29FVmw31309 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:31:58 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Subject: Braking (more) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:31:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0203091031480E.22488@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I guess the other thing that should be mentioned... your suspension setup has a lot to do with your braking ability as well. It's all about weight. Too little compression dampning in the front causes front-end dive and rapid weight transfer - you'll be staring at the ground as the bike pivots skyward over the front axle. Too much can cause the front to lock up or push under hard braking. Yet another factor is *your* weight. Grabbing the tank with your knees and not allowing your weight to end up on your wrists (and thus directly onto the front tire) prevents 60 - 100lbs of weight transference (depending on your size :) ). As someone said... motorcycling is a lifelong persuit... I think you could do this for 50 years and still never learn everthing there is to know. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 10:42:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f194.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29FguO28514 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 07:42:50 -0800 Received: from 68.50.58.239 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 15:42:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.50.58.239] From: "dannie davis" To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (more) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 15:42:50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2002 15:42:50.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[11B75260:01C1C781] wow this braking thing really is burning up the replys LOL but it's a good thing :) Dan Davis >From: Brian Roach >Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX >To: >Subject: Braking (more) >Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:31:48 -0500 > > >I guess the other thing that should be mentioned... your suspension setup >has >a lot to do with your braking ability as well. It's all about weight. > >Too little compression dampning in the front causes front-end dive and >rapid >weight transfer - you'll be staring at the ground as the bike pivots >skyward >over the front axle. Too much can cause the front to lock up or push under >hard braking. > >Yet another factor is *your* weight. Grabbing the tank with your knees and >not allowing your weight to end up on your wrists (and thus directly onto >the >front tire) prevents 60 - 100lbs of weight transference (depending on your >size :) ). > >As someone said... motorcycling is a lifelong persuit... I think you could >do >this for 50 years and still never learn everthing there is to know. > >- Roach _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 10:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-1.cais.net (stmpy-1.cais.net [205.252.14.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29FkHO28618 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (195.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.195]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g29FkFe53497 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:46:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00c001c1c77e$f35623c0$c938e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Throttlemeister Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:27:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Hmmm. $105? Maybe it's fancier than my Universal Vista Cruise lock ($25?) which has done well for several years. The old packaging says "fits most Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Moto Guzzi." Have seen it mentioned from time to time in catalogs. Had to be careful about specifying bar diameter as I recall. Whatever, my tl has come close to saving my life on a couple of occasions when I needed the right hand to clean/adjust gear non-stop. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Bar diameter? Over 21 isn't it? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:03:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Throttlemeister At 12:02 AM 3/7/02 -0500, you wrote: >How much was it? throttle locks are nice. $105 from AZ Motorsports. Got to test it out on the commute to/from work yesterday. Combined with my new ZG Double Bubble windscreen, I feel like I'm driving a rocket powered Gold Wing :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 11:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29GEaO29007 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 11:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16jjUR-0004g0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 11:14:35 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MD trailer laws Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 11:17:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g29GEbO29008 Does anyone know what the laws are for MD triailers.. like if it has doulbe axels or electric brakes, it has to get it's own insurance? From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 13:53:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29IrjO01354 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-221.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.221] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jlyN-0003pm-00; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 10:53:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020309135058.00b02480@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 13:54:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: MD trailer laws Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:17 AM 3/9/2002, you wrote: >Does anyone know what the laws are for MD triailers.. > >like if it has doulbe axels or electric brakes, it has to get it's >own insurance? Unless it's changed in the last few years, no. My 24 foot Wells Cargo for the race cars did not require separate MD insurance; it was covered by the insurance of the vehicle that pulled it, in this case my Suburban. Ditto for my then-wife's horse trailer with electric brakes. The company was USAA, if that matters. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 16:19:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29LJwO03343 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA20634 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:19:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020309162629.02586f14@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 16:29:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Chatterbox questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know if the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible? I have friends with the GMRSX1 and I'm considering purchasing the FRSX2 (I'm cheap). The X1 just seems to have more range than the X2. Also, where's a good, reputable online place to purchase? MAW has great prices, but I've heard horror stories from people ordering shit from them. Thanks! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 18:44:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g29NikO05376 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id j.6e.19127bbc (4404); Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:43:45 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6e.19127bbc.29bbf830@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:43:44 EST Subject: Re: Throttlemeister To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6e.19127bbc.29bbf830_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 --part1_6e.19127bbc.29bbf830_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2002 11:08:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > At 04:52 PM 3/8/02 -0500, you wrote: > >At 10:01 AM 3/8/02 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >>You got their website? Throttlemeister's website lists them at $130 for > >my R6. $147 if I want the larger unit. > >> > >>Scooter > > > >www.azmotorsports.com :-) > > Here is a link to directions showing how to convert a stock bar end to a > throttle lock - > http://pub31.ezboard.com/fazbiketechfrm2.showMessage?topicID=10.topic > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > Thanks. I'll probably go with a Throttlemeister. Not that mechanically inclined. ;-) Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_6e.19127bbc.29bbf830_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2002 11:08:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes:


At 04:52 PM 3/8/02 -0500, you wrote:
>At 10:01 AM 3/8/02 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
>>You got their website?  Throttlemeister's website lists them at $130 for
>my R6.  $147 if I want the larger unit.
>>
>>Scooter
>
>www.azmotorsports.com  :-)

Here is a link to directions showing how to convert a stock bar end to a
throttle lock -
http://pub31.ezboard.com/fazbiketechfrm2.showMessage?topicID=10.topic

-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/


Thanks.  I'll probably go with a Throttlemeister.  Not that mechanically inclined.  ;-)

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)
--part1_6e.19127bbc.29bbf830_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 19:18:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2A0I6O06009 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24001 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:17:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020309192757.010e3884@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 19:27:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Throttlemeister Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:27 AM 3/9/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hmmm. $105? Maybe it's fancier than my Universal Vista Cruise lock ($25?) >which has done well for several years. The old packaging says "fits most >Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Moto Guzzi." Have seen it mentioned from >time to time in catalogs. Had to be careful about specifying bar diameter >as I recall. http://store1.yimg.com/I/azmotorsports_1678_3332932 That's the only style vista cruise I've ever seen. Not something I want on my sportbike. The nice thing about the Throttlemeister is that it looks like any other bar end, which all sportbikes have from the factory. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 20:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2A19WO06741 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.71.1bbe565a (16093) for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from web42.aolmail.aol.com (web42.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.3]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID109-0309200924; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 20:09:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 20:09:23 EST From: Boiade@XXXXXX Subject: Rear Brake To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <71.1bbe565a.29bc0c44@aol.com> <> Read the "Hurt Report" and you will note that the single largest cause of single vehicle motorcycle accidents is the use of the rear brake. The use of the rear brake on the street, particularly in panic situations, has always been dangerous. In fact, motorcycle safety training organizations in Europe teach youngsters to avoid using the rear brake when they move from bicycles to motorcycles. In racing, you can read Keith Code (Twist of the Wrist, etc.) who says the same same thing. In sedate riding on the street (particularly on heavily rear weight bias cruisers) the rear brake will not cause problems, when used instinctively in panic situations or in spririted riding on sport bikes it causes many problems. Statistically it's a fact, but if you have had no problems with using the rear brake, you probably have mastered its use in the type of riding you do. In nearly 30 years of racing (and I still race) and street riding I haven't had the confidence in my ability to modulate the rear brake accurately when on the edge, so I don't use it even in sedate riding to avoid acquiring an automatic reaction to using it, which could prove disasterous in race conditions. Don't know if you've ever raced, but Mr. Roach does and so do I and I think we have the same opinion on rear brake usage. In fact, most club racers I know have the same opinion. Some professional racers who spend a tremendous amount of time on the track get very good at using the rear brake for things other than stopping/slowing down. Mick Doohan (many times 500cc GP champion)used a handlebar mounted thumb lever to use the rear brake, for example. But he didn't use it for slowing down the bike. He used it to induce a controlled slide at very high speeds, something I'll never try racing. I'm just not good enough and neither are most club racers. Anyway, claiming that another opinion, backed up by statistics (the Hurt Report) is BS is a bit harsh, don't you think? Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 20:22:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2A1MkO06980 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-21.patriot.net [209.249.181.21]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2A1Mi628441; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:22:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8AB4FA.9C993FCB@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 20:20:58 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake References: <71.1bbe565a.29bc0c44@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > < And a damn good way to get a new rider killed. > The rear brake is not now and never has been dangerous. > I started using it back in 65 and have NEVER had a problem with it. > Again BULLSHIT!>> > > Read the "Hurt Report" and you will note that the single largest cause of > single vehicle motorcycle accidents is the use of the rear brake. The use of > the rear brake on the street, particularly in panic situations, has always > been dangerous. In fact, motorcycle safety training organizations in Europe > teach youngsters to avoid using the rear brake when they move from bicycles > to motorcycles. > I do believe the conclusion of the Hurt Report and Hurt's latest updated opinion was that UNDERUSE of the front brake caused splats, coupled with overuse of the rear brake. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 20:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2A1YLO07126 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p55.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.183]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2A1YIAp026228 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:34:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Rear Brake Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:33:26 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c1c7d3$a9eea220$bf82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <71.1bbe565a.29bc0c44@aol.com> Importance: Normal <> Read the "Hurt Report" and you will note that the single largest cause of single vehicle motorcycle accidents is the use of the rear brake. No, that's misuse of rear brake. John's point, which you completely & conveniently ignore is that with practice, as you're supposed to do (but many dont') you'll stop faster using both brakes appropriately (in proportion). The use of the rear brake on the street, particularly in panic situations, has always been dangerous. facts ??? back this up. In fact, motorcycle safety training organizations in Europe teach youngsters to avoid using the rear brake when they move from bicycles to motorcycles. In racing, you can read Keith Code (Twist of the Wrist, etc.) who says the same same thing. In sedate riding on the street (particularly on heavily rear weight bias cruisers) the rear brake will not cause problems, when used instinctively in panic situations or in spririted riding on sport bikes it causes many problems. But you just said above that the "use of the rear brake on the street...has always been dangerous" but here, it doesn't apply to sedate riding on the street. Which of the above statements is true, and which is not? Don't know if you've ever raced, but Mr. Roach does and so do I and I think we have the same opinion on rear brake usage. Roach said - "Sportbike, it is more *difficult* to use the rear brake properly (over say, 35 mph), and most people will never master the skill. This is not to say that you should or shouldn't try... that's up to the rider." - and then he goes on to say that on a sport bike he uses only the front brake because that's what he's proficient at. The difference is that Roach is not asserting his opinion as fact, merely what works for him. Anyway, claiming that another opinion, backed up by statistics (the Hurt Report) is BS is a bit harsh, don't you think? No more harsh than allowing your years of experience in riding to cloud your judgement about what you write in a public forum that can be ready by riders with anywhere from no experience, to a lifetime of it. If you are not enough of a rider to be able to use the rear brake effectively, admit as much, and go about improving yourself... don't try to convince everyone else that you're right. Beginning riders reading this forum are going to see your (chest pounding) "30 years of racing" and think that you are a voice of experience. It's irresponsible to advise them that "only the front brake is good" without even attempting to get them to learn how to use both & make an informed decision... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 21:43:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2A2hoO08149 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g2A2hBw31860; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:43:22 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Dave Yates" , Subject: Re: Rear Brake Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:43:11 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <003301c1c7d3$a9eea220$bf82c0cf@nih.gov> In-Reply-To: <003301c1c7d3$a9eea220$bf82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0203092143110I.22488@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Saturday 09 March 2002 20:33, Dave Yates wrote: > Roach said - "Sportbike, it is more *difficult* to use the rear > brake properly (over > say, 35 mph), and most people will never master the skill. This is not > to say > that you should or shouldn't try... that's up to the rider." - and then > he goes on to say that on a sport bike he uses only the front brake > because that's what he's proficient at. The difference is that Roach is > not asserting his opinion as fact, merely what works for him. Oh don't get me wrong... I'm just being nice for once. ::grin:: My *opinion* is that 99% of street riders who try and use the rear brake on a sportbike in a panic situation will lock up the rear, therefore causing them to take longer to stop (sliding sideways is not an optimal way to slow down) or to fall. That's called over-use of the rear brake, and it's exactly what the hurt report was talking about. If the hypothetical rider had used more front and less rear, they'd have stopped. Also... and this goes back to the racing thing... if using the rear brake on a sportbike was usefull... don't you think that *one* professional racer would do so? I mean... it would give them an edge in a braking zone, right? No one does. Not one. There are two things the rear brake is used for on a racetrack: Causing the rear to lose traction and slide (and with the advent of modern rubber and chassis technology, this has been reduced to the status of making blocking passes up the inside), and when you're in the grass and can't use the front without landing on your head. Watch AMA, SBK, or MotoGP... you will not see one rider use the rear brake to decelerate the motorcycle under hard braking. And these are the best riders in the world. Maybe they should take the MSF course ... might make them better riders... :-P - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 9 22:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2A35oO08509 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 22:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.148.ac119da (15974) for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 22:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mow-m31 (mow-m31.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID101-0309220536; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 22:05:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 22:05:35 EST From: Boiade@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rear Brake To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <148.ac119da.29bc2780@aol.com> <> Let me be frank. You've probably never raced and ride conservatively. Some inexperienced riders buy sport bikes and instinctively use the rear brake. This will usually be the cause of their first accident (according to the Hurt Report). Who is misleading whom? Come up to Summit Point sometime and watch how we race motorcycles. You would be surprised how much racing technique applies to spirited street riding. Anyway, I am convinced that my recommendation on rear brake usage is useful to all who read these posts. I have three racebikes, get (earn) a racing license and I'll let you race one of them and we'll see how long you stay upright under racing conditions using the rear brake. I don't think you have a clue what it is like riding on the edge. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 01:44:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2A6ipO11629 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31649 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 06:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.61.44.77) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2002 06:45:09 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:44:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > I have ridden sportbikes and always use the rear brakes, I have never had an > unexpected lock up. If the rear brake is helping you stop on a Sportbike in a panic/emergency situation then you aren't using the front brake properly and to its full potential. I suggest you go to a safe parking look and practice HARD braking. Or better yet, take your sportbike to Summit Point, come flying out of turn four at about 90mph downhill and see if you can use your rear brake to help you get slowed down for turn five. Give the cornerworkers a heads up before you do so they can be ready. > If the brake does lock up IT IS NO BIG DEAL!!! True, sometimes and for some people, but not all the time for all people. > I have seen literally thousands of new riders deliberately lock the rear > wheel and skid, and not one of them has had any problems with control, not > one has crashed and most say "Can I do it again?" I agree, it is very easy to say "Im going to lock the rear wheel now" and then control it. However it may be far different in a panic/emergency situation for a new rider. > If you are afraid of rear wheel skids you need to practice them I suggest the > MSF experienced rider course but if testosterone poisoning prevents you from > doing that find yourself someplace and just do it. > Remember thousand upon thousands of virgin riders across the country have had > no problems controlling rear wheel skids, if they can do it so can you. On a sportbike, since the rear brake provides virtually zero stopping assistance in a panic/emergency situation why even use it and force someone to have to deal with a locked wheel? Dave From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 09:44:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2AEi2O18524 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.a8.7d572f0 (18405) for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:43:53 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:43:52 EST Subject: Re: Rear Brake To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2AEi7O18525 In a message dated 3/9/2002 8:11:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > Anyway, claiming that another opinion, backed up by statistics (the Hurt > Report) is BS is a bit harsh, don't you think? Would be if the is what they concluded, but it is not. What the Hurt report concluded was that "accident involved motorcyclists typically over braked on the rear and under braked on the front." That is one hell of a long way from "the rear brake caused the accident." And even further from "the rear brake is dangerous donM-bM-^@M-^Yt use it." The suggestion from the Hurt Report was training was needed to teach people how to use their brakes properly. Oh yea, that is what MSF has been doing from the mid 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys. If I was taking a track day training session (I would love to) I would happily (not easily) go to front brake only, it is a (or the) proper track technique and I do understand the reasons for it. But on the street it is simply bad news and I do not think any of the track class sources you cited would suggest it is proper technique for everyday street use. All I object to is the blanket statement that "the back brake is dangerous, donM-bM-^@M-^Yt use it" Left unchallenged it could create the impression in new riders that "the experts" (us "old" riders) universally agree. We most assuredly do not. My work here is done. Wanna argue about oil again? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 09:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2AEtfO18681 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g2AEtEw05215 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:55:30 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More braking ... (you'd think we'd have stopped by now..) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:55:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0203100955140K.22488@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After some more thought... there's a factor no one has mentioned here because we've all been talking in absolutes: Stability. On a racetrack, say turn 1 at Summit Point, I slow my TZ250 from about 150mph to 60mph then turn at max lean with a knee on the ground. I'm using only the front brake, and I try to modulate it at the very edge of locking up... the rear is unweighted and dancing around (or in the air), the front is compressed, and the bars are twitching as the front tries to come out from under you. On top of this... you're fully committed - you are not going to change direction while doing this. This is not exactly something you want to do on the street. With enough care, use of both brakes provides a stable and controlled stop, even on a sportbike. On the street, 9 times out of 10 this is probably more important than raw deceleration. If you're doing everything else you're supposed to (looking ahead, scanning for danger, etc), this may be a better route to take. You're probably using a lot less front brake than you could be and your full stopping distance will be increased, but the trade off is the aforementioned stability in keeping the rear nice and planted. Just some more kindling on the fire, really :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 10:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2AF9hO18911 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p41.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.41]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2AF9egi010405 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:09:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Rear Brake Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:08:23 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c1c845$6c93aac0$bf82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <148.ac119da.29bc2780@aol.com> Importance: Normal Let me be frank. You've probably never raced and ride conservatively. Some inexperienced riders buy sport bikes and instinctively use the rear brake. This will usually be the cause of their first accident (according to the Hurt Report). Who is misleading whom? Now there's the chest thumping "I know more than you simply because I'm Fred" we know :-) Come up to Summit Point sometime and watch how we race motorcycles. You would be surprised how much racing technique applies to spirited street riding. BTDTGTTS. raced my cage at summit point. I've Auto-x'd, and nobody would say I ride or drive conservatively. I've also managed low tens on my (admittedly that was 90% bike, 10% rider) easily 9 second bike (in the 1/4 mile).. Anyway, I am convinced that my recommendation on rear brake usage is useful to all who read these posts. That's better, at least here, you back your assertion(s). I respect that. I disagree with it entirely, because you've proven that you have no real facts to back them up but at least you stand behind them. I have three racebikes, get (earn) a racing license and I'll let you race one of them and we'll see how long you stay upright under racing conditions using the rear brake. I don't think you have a clue what it is like riding on the edge. Thanks for the offer, Fred... actually it was more of a dare... I won't have time to do that this year. And honestly, I don't know what's involved in getting a race license for the various race classes in which I could ride a bike at summit. I'll save this mail, and when I do have the time to get involved in bike racing then we'll talk. In the meantime, I will continue to proficiently operate both brakes on my bike, as I have done since day one. Seems to me that all this talk of rear brakes being useless would easily be backed up by all the Hodas with LBS showing up in 'rear brake wadding accidents'.... Has this been happening (are the LBS bikes wrecking in higher proportion than non LBS) ? Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 13:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2AIVvO21803 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21704 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:31:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020310134152.0453f910@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:41:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Hayabusa Pics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bill - DO NOT LOOK AT THESE PICS! They contain pictures of a clean bike. These pics could cause irrepairable damage to your psychological condition!! :-) Everyone else... I finally got the time to clean my Busa :-) Also took off the warning stickers and reflectors. I decided to blow off a few pics with the digi camera - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/031002/ 750+ miles on the bike so far. Damn I love this *winter* weather ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 15:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2AK2IO23103 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-30.patriot.net [209.249.181.40] (may be forged)) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2AK27632558; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:02:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8BBB57.23B15A40@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:00:24 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hayabusa Pics References: <3.0.32.20020310134152.0453f910@noid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > Bill - DO NOT LOOK AT THESE PICS! They contain pictures of a clean bike. > These pics could cause irrepairable damage to your psychological > condition!! :-) Nice ipcs! Nice blue color, my fav. Almost the same blue I painted my `58 Mopar ragtop with - a zillion coats of lauquer. I washed that car everytime I took out a new girl, a chore that encouraged me to seek long term relationships :-) Bill married, which means I rarely get to play with the hose, so to speak... From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 16:55:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2ALtsO24695 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26077 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:55:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020310170557.044f8dd8@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:05:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Hayabusa Pics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:00 PM 3/10/02 -0500, William J. Huson wrote: >Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> Bill - DO NOT LOOK AT THESE PICS! They contain pictures of a clean bike. >> These pics could cause irrepairable damage to your psychological >> condition!! :-) > >Nice ipcs! Nice blue color, my fav. Almost the same blue I painted my `58 Thanks, Bill. You can't see it in the pics, but the black has blue metallic flakes in it, very nice :-) >Mopar ragtop with - a zillion coats of lauquer. I washed that car everytime I >took out a new girl, a chore that encouraged me to seek long term >relationships :-) ha! >Bill >married, which means I rarely get to play with the hose, so to speak... ewf, TMI ;-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 18:18:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2ANIgO26058 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from comcast.net (bgp01545898bgs.longhl01.md.comcast.net [68.50.28.71]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSS009E362U3H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:18:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:21:44 -0800 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Subject: Re: Rear Brake Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C8C14B8.8A997F6C@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <71.1bbe565a.29bc0c44@aol.com> Hi all, I'd bet that if rear brake usage was unnecessary or dangerous, that racers would be removing the rear brake system to save weight, and bike manufacturers wouldn't add them to improve profits and reduce lawsuits. I'm sure that billions of dollars have been spent researching the use of the rear brakes, and bikes today wouldn't have 'em if they weren't needed. Shameless plug follows: Got a Suzuki? Join the Suzuki Owners Club! Membership rates start at only $1.00 a year! http://www.soc-usa.org Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 19:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2B07mO26866 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9162 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 00:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.61.44.77) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2002 00:08:08 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:07:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Rear Brake From: David Cross To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C8C14B8.8A997F6C@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2B07oO26867 > > Hi all, > I'd bet that if rear brake usage was unnecessary or dangerous, that > racers would be removing the rear brake system to save weight, and bike Most production based racing rules require that the bikes be kept equipped similar to their street based bikes. I donM-9t think anyone said rear brake usage was unnecessary or dangerous in all situations, only panic/emegency situations on sportbikes. It's important to note that distinction. Racers need a rear brake for situations such as if they ever go off the track and the use of the front brake would be dangerous due to the decreased traction offered by grass or worse wet grass (ask me how I know). They may also use it a bit more in rain races. > manufacturers wouldn't add them to improve profits and reduce lawsuits. > I'm sure that billions of dollars have been spent researching the use of the > rear brakes, and bikes today wouldn't have 'em if they weren't needed. Rear brakes are useful. I use mine in controlled stopping situations, or when I have a passenger and donM-9t want all of that wait thrown on the front wheel very dramatically and am not in a panic stop situation. I also use it by tapping it to flash my brake light to get someone's attention behind me, I find it easier then the front, but that's just my preference. I also use my rear brake when stopped on steep hills to so I can have better control of the throttle when I start to go. Dave From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 19:22:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11303.mail.yahoo.com (web11303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.206]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2B0MiO27144 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:22:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020311002243.59046.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.95.69.30] by web11303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:22:43 PST Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:22:43 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: The straw that "braked" the camel's back To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200203110001.g2B01GU26677@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At the risk of adding principled engineering thoughts to the debate . . . I encourage you to read http://www.mecc.unipd.it/~cos/DINAMOTO/frenata/Braking%20paper/braking_new.htm, a nice summary of the most effective way to brake a motorcycle taking into account traction, center of gravity, weight transfer, etc. Figure 6 is a good summary of the conclusions. And what were the conclusions? "[D]eceleration increases with the coefficients of friction [AM: stickiness of the road]. Due to the load transfer the front wheel braking force is bigger than the rear wheel braking force. "If the coefficients of friction are low, the importance of the rear braking force is not negligible, as in high friction condition. "Which is then the optimum braking to achieve the 0.5g deceleration? "If the maximum coefficients of friction are the same for both the wheels, Figure 7 shows that the maximum deceleration is achieved when both the tires are used in the same way. "As an example consider a coefficient of friction equal to 0.8 for both the tires [AM: from my engineering days, the coefficient of friction for a dry road in good condition ranges from .8-.9]; the maximum deceleration (0.8g) is achieved with a braking ratio equal to ****90 [% front]:10 [% rear]****. Using the front brake only, the maximum deceleration is equal to 0.67g; using only the rear brake is equal to 0.29g. [AM: so neither alone is best] In slipping condition the coefficient of friction is equal to 0.4, the maximum deceleration is equal to 0.4g and the optimum braking ratio is 30 [%front]:70 [%rear]. [AM: !!! E.g., grass, rain on metal, etc.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 19:54:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2B0sQO27580 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.213.128.dial1.washington2.level3.net ([209.244.213.128] helo=ix.netcom.com) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16kE4w-0001co-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:54:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8BFDD7.7060907@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:44:07 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Daytona 200 afternoon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this afternoon. We had a small crowd of about 20 people. So where was everyone else??? From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 20:07:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2B171O27814 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g2B16Kw05601; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:06:30 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Aaron , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The straw that "braked" the camel's back Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:06:19 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020311002243.59046.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020311002243.59046.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02031020061901.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 10 March 2002 19:22, Aaron wrote: > At the risk of adding principled engineering thoughts > to the debate . . . Precisely. It goes back to absolutes and the phrase "It works on paper". :) If you have the skill and dexterity to always use the rear brake only enough to provide 10% of your total braking, especially in a panic situation ... you're quite possibly one of the best riders in the world. If you apply more brake than that which is needed to reach the proscribed 10%, you have now created a rear-wheel slide and things are less than optimal as the aforementioned paper describes; rear wheel slide, directional instability. The is usually called risk outweighing result. Also, if you read, all the calculations are based on a motorcycle with a 50:50 static weight balance. This does NOT describe a modern sportbike. Ever note the ass-up/nose-down attitute of a GSXR? If you re-computed the numbers using the front-bias weight figures of a modern sportbike, you now have an optimal braking force goal of far less than 10% ... not a real big margin for error there. Again... risk outweighs result, and most mortals aren't going to be able to achieve proficiency. What they DO point out is the other part I've already stated - when you're not on grippy dry pavement, the rear brake is your head's best friend (As in, it keeps you from landing on it) :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 20:10:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2B1AiO27838 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-112-187.s187.apx3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.112.187] helo=D7XFG711) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kEKp-00038Y-00; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:10:43 -0500 Message-ID: <020c01c1c899$b69d7b10$fb6e2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <3C8BFDD7.7060907@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Daytona 200 afternoon Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:11:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck and Karen Pena" To: Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 7:44 PM Subject: Daytona 200 afternoon > Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this > afternoon. We had a small crowd of about 20 people. So where was > everyone else??? > A. It's none of your business. :) B. If it were, I would say I was washing my bike to remove three hundred miles of South-Carolina-in-the-rain road spooge from last weekend. May I be excused now? %^) Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 20:21:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2B1LPO28077 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p45.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.173]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2B1LMgi008478 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:21:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Daytona 200 afternoon Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:00:08 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c1c898$2c9dae40$bf82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <020c01c1c899$b69d7b10$fb6e2c42@D7XFG711> Importance: Normal > Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this > afternoon. We had a small crowd of about 20 people. So where was > everyone else??? > A. It's none of your business. :) B. If it were, I would say I was washing my bike to remove three hundred miles of South-Carolina-in-the-rain road spooge from last weekend. May I be excused now? NO. where's your DCC spirit? and just for your insolent resposne, you're in email Time out 'til tomorrow night, Mr. smarty pants. ;-) Road spooge... indeed. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 20:36:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2B1aDO28317 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p45.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.173]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2B1aAgi009965 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:36:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: The straw that "braked" the camel's back Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:14:31 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c1c89a$3aa69900$bf82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <02031020061901.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Importance: Normal > At the risk of adding principled engineering thoughts > to the debate . . . Precisely. It goes back to absolutes and the phrase "It works on paper". :) If you have the skill and dexterity to always use the rear brake only enough to provide 10% of your total braking, especially in a panic situation ... you're quite possibly one of the best riders in the world. If you apply more brake than that which is needed to reach the proscribed 10%, you have now created a rear-wheel slide and things are less than optimal as the aforementioned paper describes; rear wheel slide, directional instability. The is usually called risk outweighing result. We've already covered rear wheel lockup, in the 1st dozen or so posts. 1) it's not as bad as all that 2) it's a damn sight better than front wheel slide... If you have to make a panic stop, because you can't swerve - whatever, and lock up the rear brake ONLY to stop, you will eventually stop. If you only let off the gas, you will eventually stop. If you apply and or lock the front brake, you will eventually stop. If you apply both & lock the rear you'll stop quicker. If you apply both & lock neither, but keep both on the threshold of locking, you'll stop in a shorter distance. Obviously, you have to have rear traction to use the rear brake effectively, so if you are so hamfisted that you loft the rear wheel so often when you stop your sportbike that you can't practice 2 wheel threshold braking, street rider, instructor, racer or motorcycle god, you shouldn't be riding a f%cking motorcycle because you are too f%cking stupid. (not aimed at anyone specifically) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 20:43:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f206.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.206]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2B1h9O28403 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:31:12 -0800 Received: from 68.50.58.239 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:31:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.50.58.239] From: "dannie davis" To: jarvis22201@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The straw that "braked" the camel's back Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:31:11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 01:31:12.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D7D5BF0:01C1C89C] jesus H christ please stop :( _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 10 23:57:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2B4vYO01360 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 23:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kHsH-0005UN-00; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 23:57:29 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:01:13 -0500 Message-ID: <9ndo8usvh5bdr77g1ta0ll1lj0f55li5al@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2B4vdO01361 |>> What is your experience with modern day sport bikes? |>> |>Quite a bit, I spent 8 years as a mechanic after all, and I like them. And how many emergency stops did you do while test driving them and using rear brakes |>> rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide, |>> causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side. |> |>Again the only answer is BULLSHIT! |>I have ridden sportbikes and always use the rear brakes, I have never had an |>unexpected lock up. and how many emergencies and how far did the back wheel SLIDE? Do you count that sliding as good stoping power? As controlled braking? |>If the brake does lock up IT IS NO BIG DEAL!!! For us, yes, for new riders... they panic.. and we all know panic is the sepreme evil of motorcycling. |>Beginning rider course (MRC: RSS) braking exercises include: |> |>Stopping with both brakes (always) |>Stopping quickly with both brakes |>Stopping quickly on command with both brakes |>Stopping on a curve with both brakes |>Stopping quickly on a curve with both brakes |>CONTROLLING REAR WHEEL SKIDS. Yes I know.. I passed it. |>Experienced rider courses which are ridden on your own bike, include all of |>the above but exclude the rear wheel skid for bikes with linked brakes due to |>the danger of _front_ wheel lock up. I have seen hundreds of sportbikes lock |>the rear wheel and skid with not problems at all. But that doesn't mean it's good useful braking. Would you say a bike is more or less controllable with it's rear end swerving around? I'd say less. |>Fear of the rear brake is irrational A rear wheel skid is easy to control who said fear? I use my back brake at certain times on wet roads or when goofing off.. but i know even when emergency braking, even engine braking can cause the back wheel to skid. I could ride around the world with only the rear brake, but that doesn't mean anything. |>In emergency I have skidded a rear wheel (No front brake, SURPRISE!! ) some |>30 or 40ft. on pavement, 4-6 on dirt, and another 8-10 paved, all the time |>curving towards a small dirt hill I was hoping would stop me before I got to |>the rock lined ditch. I do admit at the time I was thinking "Oh Shit, Oh |>Shit, Oh Shit!!!" But not because of the rear wheel lock up but because I |>donM-bM-^@M-^Yt like crashing into rocks. (I was halfway up the hill before I stopped.) ok what the hell happened to your front brake mr mechanic? |>If you are afraid of rear wheel skids you need to practice them I suggest the |>MSF experienced rider course but if testosterone poisoning prevents you from |>doing that find yourself someplace and just do it. I agree with that. |>Remember thousand upon thousands of virgin riders across the country have had |>no problems controlling rear wheel skids, if they can do it so can you. and probably the same amount have gotten fugged up using rear brakes and skidding, except it was an emergency situation on a sportbike and they tried what they were told in the msf class. |>Oh MSF is not just for cruiser riders or even cruiser orientated, it was |>founded in the early 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys and was (still is) by the motorcycle manufacturers |>including all of the Japanese brands and Harley. In the 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys not one of the |>Japanese manufacturers was building a cruiser *Not one!* Why would they fund |>a cruiser orientated class? Current funders include Ducati who as we all |>know only builds cruisers and knows nothing about sportbikes. And how many MSF teachers can brake more effectively than racers? How many MSF teachers are racers and use the braking technique on the race track to slow down before a curve? Here's a wild guess... "zero". :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 00:02:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-5.cais.net (stmpy-5.cais.net [205.252.14.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2B52uO01446 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (229.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.229]) by stmpy-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g2B52tB32852 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:02:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011701c1c8ae$948826a0$c938e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Throttlemeister Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:40:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 The disassembled Vista unit can be seen at http://compacc2.competitionaccessories.com/on-line-store/genericproduct.jhtm l?itemId=5285 (among other Google pointers). The unit in the pic mentioned below doesn't seem to have the Vista features. The Vista is a basically a thumb-operated friction band (adjustable) which performs as a lock on a ring that is secured to the grip (different from Throttlemeister, which works internal to the bar). All adjusting accessible and visible. Looks like user choice for the price, cosmetic, and structural differences. (And sweeping up a nit, they both mislable themselves as "cruise controls". They merely lock throttle.) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> You twist, I shout Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 19:27:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Throttlemeister At 10:27 AM 3/9/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hmmm. $105? Maybe it's fancier than my Universal Vista Cruise lock ($25?) >which has done well for several years. The old packaging says "fits most >Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Moto Guzzi." Have seen it mentioned from >time to time in catalogs. Had to be careful about specifying bar diameter >as I recall. http://store1.yimg.com/I/azmotorsports_1678_3332932 That's the only style vista cruise I've ever seen. Not something I want on my sportbike. The nice thing about the Throttlemeister is that it looks like any other bar end, which all sportbikes have from the factory. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 07:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BC4GO07857 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-5.patriot.net [209.249.181.5]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BC4D604723; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:04:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8C9CD4.D015724@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:02:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Throttlemeister References: <011701c1c8ae$948826a0$c938e2cf@micron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a Vista cruise on my old Suzuki - worked as advertised. The thumb lver was well positioned for easy flip-off. My current steed, a Hawg, has a star screw betwixt the throttle cables which can be used to lock/friction load the throttle. Many Hawg riders say they use it on the highway - not me. It's not easily accessable. Sure, one can work the trhottle over the friction but knowing Murphy's Law I'll pass on the cleverly concealed Harley throttle friction adjuster. The wrist rocker thangs look usable - might have to try one of those. Bill mobacc wrote: > The disassembled Vista unit can be seen at > http://compacc2.competitionaccessories.com/on-line-store/genericproduct.jhtm > l?itemId=5285 > (among other Google pointers). The unit in the pic mentioned below doesn't > seem to have the Vista features. > > The Vista is a basically a thumb-operated friction band (adjustable) which > performs as a lock on a ring that is secured to the grip (different from > Throttlemeister, which works internal to the bar). All adjusting accessible > and visible. > > Looks like user choice for the price, cosmetic, and structural differences. > > (And sweeping up a nit, they both mislable themselves as "cruise controls". > They merely lock throttle.) > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 --> You twist, I shout > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX > Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 19:27:59 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Wayne Edelen > Subject: Re: Throttlemeister > At 10:27 AM 3/9/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Hmmm. $105? Maybe it's fancier than my Universal Vista Cruise lock ($25?) > >which has done well for several years. The old packaging says "fits most > >Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Moto Guzzi." Have seen it mentioned from > >time to time in catalogs. Had to be careful about specifying bar diameter > >as I recall. > > http://store1.yimg.com/I/azmotorsports_1678_3332932 > > That's the only style vista cruise I've ever seen. Not something I want on > my sportbike. The nice thing about the Throttlemeister is that it looks > like any other bar end, which all sportbikes have from the factory. :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 07:29:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BCT1O08270 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-5.patriot.net [209.249.181.5]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BCT0607972 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:29:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8CA2A3.4EC450C1@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:27:15 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: The wobbley, weavey Harley FLH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Harley bagger has never been a hands-off bike. I thought that odd, and I was also bothered by the not dangerous but annoying wobbles and weaves the bike went thru when making aggresive lane changes etc etc. I chnaged shocks and fork springs to improve the handling. Much improved, but not perfect. H-D techys weren't any help - tis the way it is, sez they. The hnadling quirks are often atributed to the front/rear wheel offset, which has been reported to be 1/2 inch, 3/4 inch, an INCH! Well, what is the offset? It varies, shrugs the usual H-D tech. A letter in this months MCN perked my interest. An FLH owner examined the bike and delved into the H-D factory manual under "alignment" and fixed the problem! Starnge setup - the rear swingarm and engine are a unit, sort of. Cranking on the front turnbuckle chnages the alignment of the swing arm/engine to the frame. Offset begone! MCN did the trick on their resident Road King. Test rider sez mid-speed handling greatly imroved, but he didn't get a chnace to test high speed - the cam bearing puked. What a surprise. So I grabbed my factory manual and examinced my FLHS. Sho-nuff, one can move crap around and get that rear wheel and front wheel aligned. It ain't easy, invloves much wrenching which will have to wait for comfy wam weather. But I'm gonna make up the neccessary alignment fixtures and do it. If it works I'll be somewhat pissed. At least 5 techys have messed with the bike, but not one of them has bothered to align it! Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 08:24:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BDO3O09070 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:24:01 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020311081038.02aa65a0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:15:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: More braking ... (you'd think we'd have stopped by now..) In-Reply-To: <0203100955140K.22488@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:55 AM 3/10/02 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >After some more thought... there's a factor no one has mentioned here because >we've all been talking in absolutes: > >Stability. > >On a racetrack, say turn 1 at Summit Point, I slow my TZ250 from about >150mph to 60mph then turn at max lean with a knee on the ground. I'm using >only the front brake, and I try to modulate it at the very edge of locking >up... the rear is unweighted and dancing around (or in the air), the front is >compressed, and the bars are twitching as the front tries to come out from >under you. On top of this... you're fully committed - you are not going to >change direction while doing this. As light as a TZ250 is, ignoring the rear break may indeed be the best method. But many of today's fastest professional road racers, expecially on 600cc and larger bikes, have learned that even on the race track using the rear break, appropriately, speeds your lap times. When I raced (about 25-30 years ago), rear breaks tended to be really, really touchy, and ignoring the extra stopping power was a worthwhile trade-off compared to locking the rear up because it was hard to modulate. Today's sport bikes and racers have really well designed rear brakes that are every bit as easy to modulate as the fronts, but the "fact" that you shouldn't use the rear brake on the racetrack persists. I think the real issue here is that most racers never learned to correctly modulate the rear brake. Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 08:24:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BDO9O09080 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:24:00 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020311080748.009eb4e0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:09:53 -0500 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: Rear Brake In-Reply-To: <148.ac119da.29bc2780@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:05 PM 3/9/02 -0500, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >Let me be frank. You've probably never raced and ride >conservatively. Some inexperienced riders buy sport bikes and >instinctively use the rear brake. This will usually be the cause of their >first accident (according to the Hurt Report). Who is misleading whom? Have you actually READ the Hurt report, as opposed to reading various web reports ABOUT the Hurt report? I have, and you've got it completely wrong. What Hurt said is that many riders use ONLY the rear brake, and doing that takes away most of your breaking power, and increases the likelihood of locking up the rear and losing control. He NEVER said, nor even implied, that you shouldn't use the rear break. Geez! Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 08:24:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BDOLO09090 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:24:02 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020311081702.02b5b940@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:19:05 -0500 To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Rear Brake Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C8C14B8.8A997F6C@comcast.net> References: <71.1bbe565a.29bc0c44@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:21 PM 3/10/02 -0800, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: >Hi all, > I'd bet that if rear brake usage was unnecessary or > dangerous, that racers would be removing the rear brake system to save > weight, and bike manufacturers wouldn't add them to improve profits and > reduce lawsuits. > I'm sure that billions of dollars have been spent researching the use > of the rear brakes, and bikes today wouldn't have 'em if they weren't needed. Good point, but you'll never convince some people. But the truth is, this is an easy test for any rider to perform. Find an empty parking lot, and brake hard from about 30-35 miles per hour. Measure how long the stop took (in terms of parking spaces--you won't even need a tape measure. Then do it again, using both brakes. Report your results back here, please. Bob Meyer From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 08:26:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from Mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BDQQO09103 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by Mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:26:52 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020311082629.009f37c0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:27:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES In-Reply-To: <9ppj8ucmpf68to29s8f6s9o9iheq2afl53@4ax.com> References: <8d.1501d683.29ba30b5@aol.com> <8d.1501d683.29ba30b5@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:15 AM 3/9/02 -0500, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >SPORTBIKES > >rear brake usauge will cause the rear wheel to lock up and slide, >causign a wobble, fishtale, low side, or high side. Unfortunately, this says more about your riding/braking skills than it does the bike. Bob Meyer From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 08:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BDouO09576 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g2BDsAO16645 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:54:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:48:38 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:48:34 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Summer riding pants Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BDowO09577 I could use a pair of these just for working in the garage etc... According to the website they are $ 44 a pair, where did you get the $ 25 price? Thanks, George Cole 01 FZ1 >>> Bob McKeithen 03/08/02 08:43PM >>> I just received what may an interesting alternative to expensive riding jeans from an outfit called JD American Workwear. They are a very heavy denim jean with padded leather covered knees and leather covered butt. The good news is they are on sale for $25 a pair--the bad news is they are going out of business on 1April. Check the website at http://www.jdamerican.com Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 09:06:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BE6fO09836 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w038 ([168.144.108.38]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:06:38 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Daytona 200 afternoon Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:08:37 -0500 To: "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 14:06:38.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[F65D65A0:01C1C905] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BE6iO09837 Four words: NO SOUP FOR YOU! Original Message: > Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this > afternoon. We had a small crowd of about 20 people. So where was > everyone else??? > A. It's none of your business. :) B. If it were, I would say I was washing my bike to remove three hundred miles of South-Carolina-in-the-rain road spooge from last weekend. May I be excused now? %^) Paul in DC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 09:08:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BE8eO09857 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w088.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.88]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:08:42 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: The straw that braked the camel's back Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:05:58 -0500 To: "danniedavis@XXXXXX" , "jarvis22201@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 14:08:42.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[40431750:01C1C906] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BE8fO09858 Using the front or rear or both??? %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: dannie davis danniedavis@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:31:11 To: jarvis22201@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The straw that "braked" the camel's back jesus H christ please stop :( _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 09:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9607.mail.yahoo.com (web9607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BELrO10084 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:21:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020311142152.162.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:21:52 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:21:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Daytona 200 afternoon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We wanted to make it, but have discovered that if we leave our nursing dog alone for more than an hour at a time, she uses Tom's office as a latrine. =:o - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > Original Message: > > > Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch > the Daytona 200 this > > afternoon. We had a small crowd of about 20 > people. So where was > > everyone else??? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 09:38:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13803.mail.yahoo.com (web13803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BEcoO10305 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:38:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020311143849.32766.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:38:49 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RC-30 for Sale on Ebay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck, are you interested (-; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1711908304 ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 09:50:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BEo9O10574 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2BEo7n06995 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:50:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2BEo7A18499 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:50:07 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:50:07 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Automated Speeding Ticket Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *sigh* I received an automated ticket in the mail yesterday from DC Metro Police. It has a nice pretty picture of my cage heading down DC-295 at what they have as 11 mph over the limit (of 50). I don't go 61 in 50 zones -- 57, 59 maybe, but not 61. Is it possible the radar is wrong? Is it even worth bothering to contest it? I'm a little concerned that if I contest it I'd be admitting guilt (and thus opening myself up to points-on-the-license, something I'd really rather avoid if possible). You folks seem to know all about this sort of stuff (or at least have opinions). Any thoughts? Ta much, Fish. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 09:55:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BEtcO10610 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w045 ([168.144.108.45]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:55:41 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Rear Brake Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:00:15 -0500 To: "bob@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 14:55:42.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0A83680:01C1C90C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BEtdO10611 God, I love this thread! Nothing like beating a dead horse! %) 1. I agree with Bob that at "parking lot" or sane/legal street speeds, proper application of the rear brake in conjunction with proper application of the front brake will likely result in shorter stopping distances. In fact, I've done exactly as Bob suggested to see if I could stop shorter by applying the rear brake and to see if I could learn to use the rear brake better/properly. My experience in this type of environment that I've done what comes naturally and instinctively (i.e., apply the front brake) to provide the initial stopping power and then gradually applied the rear brake for additional stopping power. No rear wheel slides, wiggles, step-outs, etc. 2. That said, I can also say that when I was a newbie rider I made the mistake of applying only the rear brake in a relatively "high speed" panic situation (a traffic light turned red on me as I was rolling on WOT -- I hate it when that happens!) In this instance application of the REAR BRAKE ONLY resulted in a pretty massive rear end wiggle/step-out (and the bike was straight up and down vertical). Fortunately, I was smart/lucky enough to know to let off the brake and get back on the throttle. I was even more fortunate to blast through the intersection on the red but before the cars that had the green moved across. Definitely an "oh shit!" moment and a big oops. 3. For "real world" sportbike riding (i.e., at a spirited pace usually at extra-legal speeds), I agree more with the Roach and others who advocate using only the front brake -- which is basically what I do. I find it much easier to modulate, control, feel what's going on. Especially setting up for a turn (not talking about braking for a stop sign/light here). At least for a mere mortal such as myself, an added complication of trying to use the rear brake is that I find it damn hard to have fine motor control of my right foot/ankle to modulate the rerar brake lever when I'm hanging off and putting a knee down (not that I would ever do that street riding!) I would one day love to be like Mick and have the ability to use the rear to induce a controlled slike. But first I think I'd at least need a thumb brake. And maybe one day pigs will fly too! 4. Should newbies (and riders in general) learn to use the rear brake? You betcha! Is front brake only "better" than combining the front and rear? Probably in certain (maybe even a lot) of situations. Is rear brake only appropriate? Of course, under certain situation (e.g., tight parking lot maneuvers, low grip/traction). Is the MSF-taught way to brake the only, unequivocally, and authoritatively best way to stop a m/c? Of course not (yes, I've taken the MSF course). Is everyone on this list talking at cross-purposes and comparing apples to oranges or generalizing specifics? Probably, but it's been highly entertaining! 5. Regardless of which is "better," I think the most important thing is that riders learn how to use the brakes (individually or in tandem) in such a way that they can bring themselves to a controlled stop (or slow down to an appropriate speed) for the type of m/c they ride and the kind of riding they do. Ride a 600-pound behemouth cruiser at more or less legal speeds? Probably easy enough to learn how to use both brakes (and BOTH are probably needed to bring such beasties to a full and complete stop in a relatively short distnace!) Ride a modern sportbike with properly set-up suspension and braided front brake lines at extra legal speeds in the twisties or are a track day junkie? You can probably have fun and be safe without ever touching the rear. 6. I think the main point that most of the "rear brake advocates" (and I'd put myself largely in that category) have been trying to make is that a lot of riders (especially newbie riders and especially newbie riders on sportbikes) are afraid of using the front (scarred memories of fear of flipping over the handlebars from riding a bicycle) and instinctively tend to over-use or exclusively use the rear (perfectly understandable since you brake with your foot in a car so it's more natural to use your foot when first starting out on a m/c). And that this can get you into more trouble than just using the front (granted that over-use of the front will also get you into trouble and trying to recover from a front wheel slide is much harder than a rear wheel slide -- but I would bet that most people never really come close to over-using the front, i.e., in almost all street riding situations there's plenty more room to apply the front brakes but people don't know it and/or are too afraid to use it). 7. I can think of one VERY GOOD reason to use the rear brake. Max Biaggi at the Czech GP in Brno in 1999. Victory wheelie where he brings his Marlboro Honda NSR500 almost past vertical. No amount of front brake would've saved looping the bike at 100+mph as he showboated on the start/finish straight! %^) 8. Finally, the real reason for not paying any attention whatsoever to the rear brake: STOPPIES! %^) Chuck Original Message: Good point, but you'll never convince some people. But the truth is, this is an easy test for any rider to perform. Find an empty parking lot, and brake hard from about 30-35 miles per hour. Measure how long the stop took (in terms of parking spaces--you won't even need a tape measure. Then do it again, using both brakes. Report your results back here, please. Bob Meyer -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 09:59:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BExSO10711 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:59:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020311145927.67620.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.9.205] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:59:27 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:59:27 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: Tom Gimer , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020309012023.28070.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > good luck trying to prove that a client of mine had > the > intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" a driver > and > his 3000+ pound vehicle while on his open-air > 400-700lb > defenseless motorcycle > You know as well as I do, that you don't have to PROVE anything, just make the jurors believe. There is a difference. Besides, roll up next to a petit, shy woman in a Geo Metro, shake your fist at her and tap on her window a couple of times. Do you think she could make a few jurors believe she was intimidated? Hell, for that matter, I bet you could convince a few jurors that revving the engine intimidated a driver. > > > Now all we need is a means of dialing up the > police > > chopper to point out > > the loony behaving in a seriously questionable > manner. > > also a brilliant idea. that way we could keep the > police > choppers in the air, constantly, at $10k per hour > (or > whatever the silly friggin figure is), at OUR > expense. > Actually, I believe the figure is $280 an hour. WHAT A BARGAIN!! :) ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 10:20:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BFKoO11111 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-102-119.s119.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.102.119] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kRbT-0003QQ-00; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:20:48 -0500 Message-ID: <00b601c1c910$623e6300$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , Cc: References: <9ndo8usvh5bdr77g1ta0ll1lj0f55li5al@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:21:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 \\\ -- Original Message ----- From: \ |>Oh MSF is not just for cruiser riders or even cruiser orientated, it was |>founded in the early 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys and was (still is) by the motorcycle manufacturers |>including all of the Japanese brands and Harley. In the 70M-bM-^@M-^Ys not one of the |>Japanese manufacturers was building a cruiser *Not one!* Why would they fund |>a cruiser orientated class? Current funders include Ducati who as we all |>know only builds cruisers and knows nothing about sportbikes. And how many MSF teachers can brake more effectively than racers? How many MSF teachers are racers and use the braking technique on the race track to slow down before a curve? Here's a wild guess... "zero". :) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And what, exactly, would be the point of teaching racer braking technique to rank newbies, some of whom have never swung a leg over a bike until Saturday morning? There are some very accomplished riders who teach MSF by the way, perhaps you should answer the next appeal for RiderCoach candidates. That said, I'm getting a little tired of the MSF bashing by self-proclaimed "experts." The MSF curriculum is not the "gold standard" for all things; but it is carefully designed for a very particular purpose and is backed up by many years of research and "real world" experience. It is a beginning, not an end. There are a few contributors to this thread who are guilty of using MSF curricula and the Hurt Report as straw men and distorting the facts. The MSF course (the current iteration is called the Basic RiderCourse) is designed to teach beginners minimal skills which are applicable to *street* riding at *street* speeds. You experts out there care to tell me what the Hurt Report found to be the median vehicle speed prior to a crash on the street? Hint: it's lower than you think. The median pre-crash speed was just 29.8 mph. [See below] Those are the street speeds to which MSF tailors the program. MSF designed its courses to teach skills found to be lacking--"essentially absent" the Report says-- in accident-involved riders, to give them traffic awareness skills and above all to teach them to take responsibility and ride within the limits of their skills, the environment and their motorcycles. Let's take a look at what was lacking in those accident-involved riders. Basically they didn't know how to turn (let's include swerving as a subset of turning) or how to stop (both brakes, progressive squeeze on the front, light to lighter pressure on the rear as the bike slows). We teach them to become minimally competent doing those things so they can learn more *on their own bikes* which may be a dual sport, sportbike, sport-tourer, cruiser or full bagger tourer. Linked brakes, ABS are in that mix too. You can sort out the finer points then. That's it, simple. But believe me, it's plenty to learn in a weekend. Hurt Report summary of findings >> http://www.clarity.net/~adam/hurt-report.html I pulled out three items germane to our discussion here: 4. In single vehicle accidents, motorcycle rider error was present as the accident precipitating factor in about two-thirds of the cases, with the typical error being a slideout and fall due to overbraking or running wide on a curve due to excess speed or under-cornering. 16. The median pre-crash speed was 29.8 mph, and the median crash speed was 21.5 mph, and the one-in-a-thousand crash speed is approximately 86 mph. [Median = half of the sample faster, half slower. Notice how rare high speed crashes are. 0.1% of the sample. Ed.] 28. Motorcycle riders in these accidents showed significant collision avoidance problems. Most riders would overbrake and skid the rear wheel, and underbrake the front wheel greatly reducing collision avoidance deceleration. The ability to countersteer and swerve was essentially absent. Paul in DC Opinions my own, not MSF's, etc., etc. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 10:31:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BFVJO11284 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-221.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.221] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16kRld-0005Cm-00; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:31:18 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020311103021.00b016b8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:32:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES Cc: "Paul Wilson" In-Reply-To: <00b601c1c910$623e6300$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <9ndo8usvh5bdr77g1ta0ll1lj0f55li5al@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:21 AM 3/11/2002, Paul wrote: >I pulled out three items germane to our discussion here: "I don't care about the god-damned Germans...." -- Larry (Sorry. It was reflex.) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 10:48:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BFmQO11568 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 872 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 07:48:20 -0800 Date: 11 Mar 2002 07:48:20 -0800 Message-ID: <20020311154820.871.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Mar 2002 15:48:20 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Mar 2002 07:48:20 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pawilson@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX > > That said, I'm getting a little tired of the MSF bashing by self-proclaimed > "experts." I think this is taken way out of context. I can speak for myself in saying I was not bashing MSF at all. I was one of those riders who never "drove" a bike until I swung my leg over that Saturday morning...but what I am saying, is now that I ride on the street and race, I understand that MSF's teachings are basics and not necessarily applied in every situation. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 10:49:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BFnfO11591 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2BFnZ923662; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:49:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:49:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200203111549.g2BFnZ923662@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: Automated Speeding Ticket *sigh* I received an automated ticket in the mail yesterday from DC Metro Police. It has a nice pretty picture of my cage heading down DC-295 at what they have as 11 mph over the limit (of 50). I don't go 61 in 50 zones -- 57, 59 maybe, but not 61. Don't go there. Figuratively, & literally. Congratulation on being the latest contributor to DC's random road tax. You can take comfort in knowing that the money will be used to fund one of DC's highly efficient and successful social programs, redistributing YOUR wealth to someone more in need, like the DC Government. Is it possible the radar is wrong? Is it even worth bothering to contest it? OF F%CKIN COURSE IT'S WRONG. Radar works perfectly if aimed at 0 degrees at a moving target, meaning directly in front of you. IF the radar unit was not DIRECTLY in front of you or behind you, then the radar unit's registered speed must be calculated at trial based on it's location (angle in relation to the measured vehicle) and registered speed. This is commonly called the 'cosine error'. As we know, Due process means nothing to the DC Government, so don't expect a whole lot of ability to contest. I Understand from a news report that you may file an affidavit on the back of the ticket indicating that you were not the driver at the time. You didn't indicate that you were *DRIVING* the cage at the time the picture was taken, which *CLEARLY* indicates to me that there IS reasonable doubt present in DC's assertion that YOU were driving. I'll bet you can't be CERTAIN that it was you driving, CAN YOU ? You'd be well served to consult an attorney, but I believe you can indicate you weren't driving and you are not required by law to indicate who was. Anyway, thanks for helping keep our Federal Taxes lower by contributing to the DC Random Road Tax, Fish... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 10:55:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (jdonovan@XXXXXX [204.94.239.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BFtcO11694 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2BFhUN17278; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:43:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:43:29 -0500 (EST) From: JD To: Wayne Edelen cc: Subject: Re: Chatterbox questions In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020309162629.02586f14@noid.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Does anyone know if the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible? I have friends > with the GMRSX1 and I'm considering purchasing the FRSX2 (I'm cheap). The > X1 just seems to have more range than the X2. the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible on the first 7 channels. The biggest differences are the GMRS units are 5 watts, vs. FRS at 0.5 watts. GMRS requires a license $75/5 years I believe, and no test. Just fill out the form and mail with a check. FRS is good for about 1/2-1 mile GMRS will do closer to 3-5 miles. I've done a bunch of traveling recently with FRS in the car and had numerous occasions where I could see another car ahead of me on the road but could not talk to them. I'd save up the money and get the GMRS unit. -jd From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 10:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BFxZO11792 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g2BFw5w06477; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:58:21 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Paul Wilson" , , Subject: Re: MSF bashing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:58:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Cc: References: <9ndo8usvh5bdr77g1ta0ll1lj0f55li5al@4ax.com> <00b601c1c910$623e6300$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <00b601c1c910$623e6300$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02031110580404.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 11 March 2002 10:21, Paul Wilson wrote: > That said, I'm getting a little tired of the MSF bashing by self-proclaimed > "experts." The MSF curriculum is not the "gold standard" for all things; > but it is carefully designed for a very particular purpose and is backed up > by many years of research and "real world" experience. It is a beginning, > not an end. I agree with you Paul. Having taken the MSF Basic course with someone (to provide moral support - I wasn't smart enough 13 years ago to take it), I think the MSF is by FAR the best way for someone to learn the basics of riding. The problem is that many don't have your enlightened view and will quote chapter and verse from the MSF ciriculum as if it WERE the only and best way to do things. In many cases, it's not. It balances rider skill (and in the case of the Basic course, this means near zero) and the capabilities of a motorcycle. It also draws on years of seeing what bad habits most try and bring along with them, and attempts to break (no pun intended) them. I believe this is THE #1 reason they advocate the use of both brakes. Most people draw on two experiences when it comes to brakes. Mashing a brake pedal to stop (as in a car), and that time when they hit the front brake on their bicycle and threw themselves over the bars onto their head :) The MSF had to figure out a way to get them to use the front brakes without scaring the hell out of them. Also, everything we've been arguing about only applies to a single situation: Dry pavement. If you tried to explain coefficients of friction, linear stability, etc in a MSF classroom... well, lets just say I don't think it would go too well :) The trick is... being open to learning past the MSF. Everyone here on the "both brakes" side says using both stops you faster. Why? Where does this information come from? The MSF and the seat-of-the-pants meter. I've seen no other source of proof quoted or displayed. The BEST piece of info in this whole debate was the physics paper to which someone posted a link. It showed that when you hit a 1.0 coefficient of friction under braking, the rear brake is no longer useful. With the proper use of the front brakes under dry conditions on good pavement - that's exactly what will happen. It won't happen if it's wet, or if you're on gravel, or on a leaf-covered road, etc. What we should all learn from this is that there's a LOT to proper braking, and conditions (more specificly, available traction) dictate the proper use of the rear brake, not a single experience in a dry parking lot at 15mph. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:06:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BG6XO11970 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id m.15d.a4d517b (4331); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:05:22 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15d.a4d517b.29be2fc2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:05:22 EST Subject: Re: MSF bashing To: roach@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15d.a4d517b.29be2fc2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_15d.a4d517b.29be2fc2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 11:01:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > What we should all learn from this is that there's a LOT to proper braking, > and conditions (more specificly, available traction) dictate the proper use > > of the rear brake, not a single experience in a dry parking lot at 15mph. > So raise your hand if you have actually PRACTICED braking recently? Many folks espouse the 'ideal braking' theory....very few make sure they can do it. And yes....I do practice....in fact I've been doing it for the past 2 weeks. :-)) Keener --part1_15d.a4d517b.29be2fc2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 11:01:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes:


What we should all learn from this is that there's a LOT to proper braking,
and conditions (more specificly, available traction) dictate the proper use
of the rear brake, not a single experience in a dry parking lot at 15mph.  


So raise your hand if you have actually PRACTICED braking recently?  Many folks espouse the 'ideal braking' theory....very few make sure they can do it.  And yes....I do practice....in fact I've been doing it for the past 2 weeks.  :-))

Keener
--part1_15d.a4d517b.29be2fc2_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:20:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BGKVO12239 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w046 ([168.144.108.46]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:20:33 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:21:37 -0500 To: "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 16:20:34.0107 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABC188B0:01C1C918] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BGKWO12240 Paul, For the record, I took the MSF course, learned a lot, and had a lot fun -- especially dragging the pegs doing "fast" circles in the parking lot! %^) The instructors also kindly let me know that I would be doc-ed points on the riding skills test if hung off, dragged the pegs, or insisted on using just the front brake. They also weren't exactly keen about the fact that I covered and only used 2 fingers for the front brake. But I never once thought I knew better or more and that I didn't have anything to learn or gain from taking the course. I think every wannabe m/c rider should start with MSF (or some reasonable facsimile). But MSF is a starting point. The question is whether as riders progress along their own individual learning curves whether they advance and learn more or simply stick with what they were taught at parking lot speeds under very controlled conditions (which is IMHO the absolute best way to learn). To each his/her own. Everyone has different reasons for riding, different definitions of "fun", and different levels of acceptable risk/fear. Even "advanced" riding schools (e.g., California Superbike School, Freddie Spencer, STAR, dP, etc.) have different approaches and thinking to riding. The laws of physics are what keep us in contact with the ground (or not, as the case might be). But there's usually more than one way to get something done. And what works well for one person, might not work so well for another (you don't see every racer backing out the rear like Gary McCoy!) I think there's only one "absolute" we can all agree on: CRASHING SUCKS! Chuck Original Message: ----------------- That said, I'm getting a little tired of the MSF bashing by self-proclaimed "experts." The MSF curriculum is not the "gold standard" for all things; but it is carefully designed for a very particular purpose and is backed up by many years of research and "real world" experience. It is a beginning, not an end. There are a few contributors to this thread who are guilty of using MSF curricula and the Hurt Report as straw men and distorting the facts. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:22:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BGMGO12249 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2BGMBa05417; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:22:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:22:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200203111622.g2BGMBa05417@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: MSF bashing Roach asks - Also, everything we've been arguing about only applies to a single situation: Dry pavement. I don't remember the dry pavement assertion, but the same basic idea applies on wet pavement - the ability to stop in the shortest distance. Everyone here on the "both brakes" side says using both stops you faster. Why? Where does this information come from? The MSF and the seat-of-the-pants meter. I've seen no other source of proof quoted or displayed. I ask this question (I already know - it's a dry pavement test under ideal circumstances) How do the various moto rags come up with their braking evaluations ? MCN, Sport Rider, Motorcyclist, Cycle World, Rider, Brit mags etc... If you took (and passed) the "Basic Rider Course" the single to 2 brake comparison should've been made painfully apparent ... Have they stopped teaching it ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:29:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BGT9O12337 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w066 ([168.144.108.66]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:29:13 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: MSF bashing Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:29:10 -0500 To: "skeener2@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 16:29:13.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[E17A7970:01C1C919] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BGTAO12338 Only because you've had to come off the high speed banking at Daytona to slow down for the chicane! %^) BTW, how did you end up doing at the races? Saw your name (briefly) up on the board on Speed Channel for the 750 Superstock race. Congrats! Original Message: ----------------- So raise your hand if you have actually PRACTICED braking recently? Many folks espouse the 'ideal braking' theory....very few make sure they can do it. And yes....I do practice....in fact I've been doing it for the past 2 weeks. :-)) Keener -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:31:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BGVFO12422 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-102-157.s157.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.102.157] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kShc-0005Nv-00; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:31:13 -0500 Message-ID: <017e01c1c91a$384ba9e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <9ndo8usvh5bdr77g1ta0ll1lj0f55li5al@4ax.com> <00b601c1c910$623e6300$bb82fea9@palladio1> <02031110580404.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: MSF bashing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:31:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yes, thank you. I should have said BOTH sides were distorting the MSF's position for their own reasons in a reductio ad absurdum exercise. It is not either A) a finishing school for cruiser riders who want to lope along the back roads lovingly caressing the rear brake or B) a definitive and encyclopedic treatment of all things related to riding that came down from the mountain with Moses. It's simply a weekend course designed to prepare riders to get a license, to correct some *fundamental* deficiencies exhibited in untrained riders, to provide a non-threatening environment to gain a little confidence in basic motorcycle operation and to establish a basis for the students to continue skill development through all manner of riding experiences and further education. Above all it teaches attitude, which to me is more valuable than some of the particulars. Speaking personally, when stop learning new things about riding a motorcycle, I think I'll quit. Shall we discuss four fingers on the lever now? :) Paul in DC Opinions my own, not MSF's, etc., etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" To: "Paul Wilson" ; ; Cc: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: Re: MSF bashing > On Monday 11 March 2002 10:21, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > That said, I'm getting a little tired of the MSF bashing by self-proclaimed > > "experts." The MSF curriculum is not the "gold standard" for all things; > > but it is carefully designed for a very particular purpose and is backed up > > by many years of research and "real world" experience. It is a beginning, > > not an end. > > I agree with you Paul. Having taken the MSF Basic course with someone (to > provide moral support - I wasn't smart enough 13 years ago to take it), I > think the MSF is by FAR the best way for someone to learn the basics of > riding. > > The problem is that many don't have your enlightened view and will quote > chapter and verse from the MSF ciriculum as if it WERE the only and best way > to do things. ... > > What we should all learn from this is that there's a LOT to proper braking, > and conditions (more specificly, available traction) dictate the proper use > of the rear brake, not a single experience in a dry parking lot at 15mph. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:37:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BGbUO12527 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id o.10.1b417554 (4331); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:37:06 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10.1b417554.29be3731@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:37:05 EST Subject: Re: MSF bashing To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10.1b417554.29be3731_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_10.1b417554.29be3731_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 11:23:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > I ask this question (I already know - it's a dry pavement > test under ideal circumstances) How do the various moto rags come up > with their braking evaluations ? MCN, Sport Rider, Motorcyclist, > Cycle World, Rider, Brit mags etc... > If you took (and passed) the "Basic Rider Course" the single to 2 > brake comparison should've been made painfully apparent ... Have > they stopped teaching it ? Apples & oranges here. First you have to look at the comparative braking systems of the bikes being used. A single caliper GS500 is probably going to benefit from the use of the rear brake...since it's front brake is relatively weak....when compared to a dual front disc GSXR with triple pot calipers. The GSXR's front brakes will easily loft the rear wheel ... whereas the GS will require somebody actively trying to do this. It also bears mentioning that the GSXR will generally have better (grippy) tires. This will also significantly add to the braking capabilities. Keener --part1_10.1b417554.29be3731_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 11:23:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes:


<DJY>  I ask this question (I already know - it's a dry pavement
test under ideal circumstances) How do the various moto rags come up
with their braking evaluations ?  MCN, Sport Rider, Motorcyclist,
Cycle World, Rider, Brit mags etc... 
If you took (and passed) the "Basic Rider Course" the single to 2
brake comparison should've been made painfully apparent ...  Have
they stopped teaching it
?


Apples & oranges here.  First you have to look at the comparative braking systems of the bikes being used.  A single caliper GS500 is probably going to benefit from the use of the rear brake...since it's front brake is relatively weak....when compared to a dual front disc GSXR with triple pot calipers.  The GSXR's front brakes will easily loft the rear wheel ... whereas the GS will require somebody actively trying to do this.  It also bears mentioning that the GSXR will generally have better (grippy) tires.  This will also significantly add to the braking capabilities.

Keener

--part1_10.1b417554.29be3731_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:43:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BGh0O12638 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.15a.a41bb8c (4331); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:42:28 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15a.a41bb8c.29be3873@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:42:27 EST Subject: Re: MSF bashing To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15a.a41bb8c.29be3873_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_15a.a41bb8c.29be3873_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 11:29:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > Only because you've had to come off the high speed banking at Daytona to > slow down for the chicane! %^) BTW, how did you end up doing at the races? > Saw your name (briefly) up on the board on Speed Channel for the 750 > Superstock race. Congrats! :-)) That's the easy braking zone...it's all upright. Try barreling across the finish line at 175 mph and then having to go to full braking....while leaned over. Yup...the 750 is certainly an eye opener. But at least it's teaching me better braking techniques & brake markers. I had a good vacation in Florida...2 weeks at the speedway. Hehehe. I did CCS & FUSA races the first weekend...and AMA the second. As for my results....I'm happier that I qualified on only my 2nd weekend on a 750. I finished 49th in the 750 race...and 15th in the Pro Thunder race. Now if I can just get a feel for driving out of a turn sideways under power....always have to learn something new dontcha know. I heard I actually got airtime on the 750 race....as I got lapped by the leaders...DOH! Oh well....next year I'll hopefully have figured out how to ride...I hope. :) Keener --part1_15a.a41bb8c.29be3873_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 11:29:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:

Only because you've had to come off the high speed banking at Daytona to slow down for the chicane! %^)  BTW, how did you end up doing at the races?  Saw your name (briefly) up on the board on Speed Channel for the 750 Superstock race.  Congrats!


:-))

That's the easy braking zone...it's all upright.  Try barreling across the finish line at 175 mph and then having to go to full braking....while leaned over.  Yup...the 750 is certainly an eye opener.  But at least it's teaching me better braking techniques & brake markers.  I had a good vacation in Florida...2 weeks at the speedway.  Hehehe.  I did CCS & FUSA races the first weekend...and AMA the second.  As for my results....I'm happier that I qualified on only my 2nd weekend on a 750.  I finished 49th in the 750 race...and 15th in the Pro Thunder race.  Now if I can just get a feel for driving out of a turn sideways under power....always have to learn something new dontcha know.  I heard I actually got airtime on the 750 race....as I got lapped by the leaders...DOH!  Oh well....next year I'll hopefully have figured out how to ride...I hope.  :)

Keener
--part1_15a.a41bb8c.29be3873_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:44:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BGikO12687 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2BGijn13843 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:44:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2BGij027298 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:44:45 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:44:45 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: re: Automated Speeding Ticket In-Reply-To: <200203111549.g2BFnZ923662@atlanta.pop3now.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > You'd be well served to consult an attorney, but I believe you can > indicate you weren't driving and you are not required by law to > indicate who was. Blah. Lawyers. I'd rather just pay the fine, especially since no points are being *ahem* rewarded. > Anyway, thanks for helping keep our Federal Taxes lower by > contributing to the DC Random Road Tax, Fish... Hey, my pleasure. :) Could be worse, I could be giving my money to Delaware's Road Tax. Fish. anyone else think traffic fines should be tax-deductible? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:46:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BGkmO12766 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 22522 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 08:46:42 -0800 Date: 11 Mar 2002 08:46:42 -0800 Message-ID: <20020311164642.22521.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Mar 2002 16:46:42 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Mar 2002 08:46:42 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SKeener2@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: MSF bashing X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Mon, 11 March 2002, SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: >A single caliper GS500 is probably going to benefit >from the use of the rear brake...since it's front >brake is relatively weak I can attest to this after almost rear-ending Roach on his ducati on the way to a bike night. It was the first time being on my GS since I'd been racing and didn't realize just how little of front brakes my GS had. :) Ooooops! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:46:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BGkpO12775 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id m.18d.4a3fd38 (4331); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:45:52 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <18d.4a3fd38.29be3940@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:45:52 EST Subject: Re: MSF bashing To: pawilson@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18d.4a3fd38.29be3940_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_18d.4a3fd38.29be3940_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 11:33:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Yes, thank you. I should have said BOTH sides were distorting the MSF's > position for their own reasons in a reductio ad absurdum exercise. It is > not either A) a finishing school for cruiser riders who want to lope along > the back roads lovingly caressing the rear brake or B) a definitive and > encyclopedic treatment of all things related to riding that came down from > the mountain with Moses. It's simply a weekend course designed to prepare > riders to get a license, to correct some *fundamental* deficiencies > exhibited in untrained riders, to provide a non-threatening environment to > gain a little confidence in basic motorcycle operation and to establish a > basis for the students to continue skill development through all manner of > riding experiences and further education. Above all it teaches attitude, > which to me is more valuable than some of the particulars. Excellent description...fits perfectly. > Speaking personally, when stop learning new things about riding a > motorcycle, I think I'll quit. I can second that one. Next racing arena to try...motocross....heheheh. > Shall we discuss four fingers on the lever now? :) Depends on the rider, brake strength, and habits. I'm a 3 finger brake covering kinda person. I know...I'm a freak. :) Keener --part1_18d.4a3fd38.29be3940_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 11:33:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes:

Yes, thank you.  I should have said BOTH sides were distorting the MSF's
position for their own reasons in a reductio ad absurdum exercise.  It is
not either A)  a finishing school for cruiser riders who want to lope along
the back roads lovingly caressing the rear brake or B)  a definitive and
encyclopedic treatment of all things related to riding that came down from
the mountain with Moses.  It's simply a weekend course designed to prepare
riders to get a license, to correct some *fundamental* deficiencies
exhibited in untrained riders, to provide a non-threatening environment to
gain a little confidence in basic motorcycle operation and to establish a
basis for the students to continue skill development through all manner of
riding experiences and further education.  Above all it teaches attitude,
which to me is more valuable than some of the particulars.


Excellent description...fits perfectly.

Speaking personally, when stop learning new things about riding a
motorcycle, I think I'll quit.


I can second that one.  Next racing arena to try...motocross....heheheh.

Shall we discuss four fingers on the lever now?  :)


Depends on the rider, brake strength, and habits.   I'm a 3 finger brake covering kinda person.  I know...I'm a freak.  :)

Keener
--part1_18d.4a3fd38.29be3940_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BGpbO12868 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:51:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020311165135.61949.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:51:35 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:51:35 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We teach what we teach because we are targeting novices. They can't ever go wrong using what we drum into their heads in the short span of 10 hours. You want to do rolling stoppies, 1 finger braking, removing the rear brake, etc. I don't care. We address the 95+% of riders out there that don't race, don't own a sports bike, don't ride like a fool on the street, don't do stoppies, etc. Basically the generic schmoe who rides when it's 70 deg or better, dry, and daylight. It's these (future) Jane/John Doe's who can't seem to do basic MC operation that we have an interest in training so we can make a dent in those accident/fatality stats. (not that we seem to be making much progress mind you) VA trains only a couple of percent of riders on the DMV rolls. Since somebody asked: I race and teach. On the track I almost never use the rear brake unless I need to make a minor adjustment in speed (running up somebody's ass) or am sufficiently un-hurried in the corner approach that I can use both. But by a large margin my race-track braking is all front because all available CPU power is dedicated and I don't have spare cycles to devote to applying and monitoring the rear, and not because my rear tire is in the air. In track riding, time is super-squashed. Road-riding is cognitively leisurely. I realize there is probably a large number of listers who never ride when conditions aren't ideal. So do yourselves a favor: practice maximum braking like Keener said, and while you're at it use both brakes so you're accustomed to using that amount of brain-power and those particular muscles. If you're out and you happen to be in the wet, that way you have a better chance of knowing how to stop when you need to and won't go 'crunch.' Better yet, go deliberately ride in the wet every chance you can. And spend 30 minutes in a rain-soaked parking lot doing maximum braking exercises. FWIW, I engage the front brake and about 1/2 second later engage the rear and continue to add pressure to the front. I don't have to think about the delay - it's automatic. I get the benefit of rear braking force (fairly effective drum on the CB750 vs mostly useless disk on the Trident) and don't generally run the risk of mashing the rear in an emergency and getting myself into trouble. The only time I've ever used the rear brake a lot (not powerfully though) on the street was running the Dragon in a torrential downpour. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:56:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BGuOO12908 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:56:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020311165615.92169.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:56:15 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: GS brakes (was: MSF bashing) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020311164642.22521.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GS brakes weak? Well compared to the likes of a modern dual-disk sport bike I guess they could be considered as such. But I think they are really quite excellent. Normally the gotcha with the GS is really weak front suspension. The GS is a light bike an unless you're a big lard-ass the setup is just fine. Now try a cb750 (easy +100lbs) on a single disk and 2-pot caliper. That's weak. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 11:57:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BGvMO12980 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kT6v-0006jW-00; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:57:21 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:01:11 -0500 Message-ID: <4pnp8ucafcn656pbhoaaisbd9qeqlkhsvv@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BGwcO12981 The general consensus is to pay it to avoid it going on your record. you pay it, it doesn't go on your record. You fight it, and if found guilty it goes on your record. So if I were in your place, I'd just pay it. If it bothers you, write about it to the papers. I know one thing. It's not justice. They can't identify you, yet they are charging you with the crime. In exchange for money, they wont' prosecute you. Legalized extortion. Danny On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:50:07 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>*sigh* |> |>I received an automated ticket in the mail yesterday from DC Metro |>Police. It has a nice pretty picture of my cage heading down DC-295 at |>what they have as 11 mph over the limit (of 50). |> |>I don't go 61 in 50 zones -- 57, 59 maybe, but not 61. |> |>Is it possible the radar is wrong? Is it even worth bothering to contest |>it? I'm a little concerned that if I contest it I'd be admitting guilt |>(and thus opening myself up to points-on-the-license, something I'd really |>rather avoid if possible). |> |>You folks seem to know all about this sort of stuff (or at least have |>opinions). Any thoughts? |> |>Ta much, |> |>Fish. |> From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 12:05:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BH5mO13269 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GST00701JAXKO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:01:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GST006CPJAW1O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:01:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GST00K01JAI30@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:01:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GST00HHCJA6V7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:01:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:01:24 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: Just another good news, bad news kind of day... To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <002101c1c91e$60ecd460$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal The good news; I finally got my project 750 Interceptor back on the road. Powdercoated frame, wheels, valve covers, clutch cover, water pump cover, dog bones, foot peg carriers (?), etc., etc. New tires, radiator, Pro-flo clipons, steel braided lines, clutch assembly, brake assembly, and some other stuff. Weather on Saturday was great motivation to stay in the garage and finish the work, weather on Sunday motivated me to drive to Leesburg, visit a friend, watch some movies, hang out... Bad news; returning on Rt 7, 9 PM, ready to turn south on 28, red and blue lights in the mirror. 78 in a 55, reckless driving. Since it was all of about 30 degrees out there last night, I would have hoped for a little slack, but Mr. State Trooper didn't see it that way. So, if anyone has any recommendations for a good lawyer (Loudon County offense) I'd be happy to hear about her/him/them. Given that I am sympathetic to the state budget shortfall that has hit VA, I don't mind paying the fine, but I do object to a mark on my spotless record, especially one that will certainly impact my insurance rate. Thanks for all replies, preferably off list, as I am reading in digest mode! Robert Verde '83 Honda VF750F (RC-15) "BUDOKA" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 12:15:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BHFTO13441 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kTOS-00029h-00; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:15:28 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: , Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES -- MSF bashing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:19:13 -0500 Message-ID: References: <9ndo8usvh5bdr77g1ta0ll1lj0f55li5al@4ax.com> <00b601c1c910$623e6300$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <00b601c1c910$623e6300$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BHGjO13447 I'm not bashing MSF, I'm glad it exists. They do good work. That's not to say they are not to be questioned. All data should be questioned. Without scrutiny, errors go by. Also as wonderful as MSF is, that doesn't mean they are always 100% correct. They are compramised of humans who make mistakes. I happen to believe, along with countless other sportbike riders that when it comes to sport bikes and emergency braking, the concentration should be on the front brake usage, and rear brake usuage is most likely a diversion to what's important and adds unneeded risk of further complications. Of course we're not trying to say that's the golden rule for all scenerios, but it's generally good principle for most "stop ASAP" scenerios. I have yet to see anyone bashing MSF. Questioning them is not bashing them. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 12:20:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BHKWO13554 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kTTL-000324-00; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:20:31 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: SKeener2@XXXXXX Cc: roach@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF bashing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:24:21 -0500 Message-ID: References: <15d.a4d517b.29be2fc2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15d.a4d517b.29be2fc2@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BHLmO13555 If you work on your rolling endos every time you come to that last traffic light before you get to your home, does that count as practicing your braking? heheh Danny |>So raise your hand if you have actually PRACTICED braking recently? Many |>folks espouse the 'ideal braking' theory....very few make sure they can do |>it. And yes....I do practice....in fact I've been doing it for the past 2 |>weeks. :-)) |> |>Keener From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 12:24:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BHOvO13579 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-149.s1673.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.149] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kTXc-0003tF-00; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:24:56 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: MSF bashing - four finger braking Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:28:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <9ndo8usvh5bdr77g1ta0ll1lj0f55li5al@4ax.com> <00b601c1c910$623e6300$bb82fea9@palladio1> <02031110580404.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> <017e01c1c91a$384ba9e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <017e01c1c91a$384ba9e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BHQDO13580 |>Shall we discuss four fingers on the lever now? :) YES! : ) When braking i try to keep my fingers from inbetween the brake lever and the bar for safety reasons, while I might only apply pressure with two. :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 12:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BHV2O13777 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w050 ([168.144.108.50]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:31:01 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: MSF bashing Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:31:13 -0500 To: "lgranato@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 17:31:01.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[83C632C0:01C1C922] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BHWIO13778 Y'know, this is a "family" list (geez, did I just agree with Gimer???) and we definitely don't need to know about you "rear ending" Roach! %^) Original Message: ----------------- I can attest to this after almost rear-ending Roach on his ducati on the way to a bike night. It was the first time being on my GS since I'd been racing and didn't realize just how little of front brakes my GS had. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 12:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BHZXO13867 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-104-179.s687.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.104.179] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kTho-0002KJ-00; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:35:29 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c1c923$315e8180$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: , "dc-cycles list" References: <9ndo8usvh5bdr77g1ta0ll1lj0f55li5al@4ax.com> <00b601c1c910$623e6300$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES -- MSF bashing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:35:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well for starters you questioned the riding skills of hundreds of people you've never met and implied we're all idiots, don't know anything about sport riding, etc., for following the curriculum that's been vetted through many years of experience. Is what MSF teaches perfect and above reproach, of course not, but it's a damn sight better than anything else for rank newbies or some of the "conventional wisdom" you hear. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: I'm not bashing MSF, I'm glad it exists. .. I have yet to see anyone bashing MSF. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 12:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BHaPO13881 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w036 ([168.144.108.36]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:36:29 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: MSF bashing Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:39:31 -0500 To: "skeener2@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 17:36:30.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[476C1AF0:01C1C923] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BHbfO13882 Scott, What was your plate number iin the 750 race? I have it on tape and digital recording. I will look for the ignominious pass. Chuck Original Message: new dontcha know. I heard I actually got airtime on the 750 race....as I got lapped by the leaders...DOH! Oh well....next year I'll hopefully have figured out how to ride...I hope. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:04:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BI4aO14556 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.a2.2208796c (4410); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:03:49 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:03:49 EST Subject: Re: MSF bashing To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: roach@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a2.2208796c.29be4b85_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 --part1_a2.2208796c.29be4b85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 12:20:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > If you work on your rolling endos every time you come to that last > traffic light before you get to your home, does that count as > practicing your braking? heheh Uh...not always...but ocassionally I'm a squid. --part1_a2.2208796c.29be4b85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 12:20:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes:


If you work on your rolling endos every time you come to that last
traffic light before you get to your home, does that count as
practicing your braking?  heheh


Uh...not always...but ocassionally I'm a squid.
--part1_a2.2208796c.29be4b85_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:05:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BI5dO14634 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.4a.7e6dc5b (4410); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:05:30 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4a.7e6dc5b.29be4be9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:05:29 EST Subject: Re: MSF bashing To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4a.7e6dc5b.29be4be9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 --part1_4a.7e6dc5b.29be4be9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 12:36:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > Scott, > > What was your plate number iin the 750 race? I have it on tape and digital > recording. I will look for the ignominious pass. > > Chuck Uh...you mean Steve? :) My AMA number is 229. Keener --part1_4a.7e6dc5b.29be4be9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 12:36:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:


Scott,

What was your plate number iin the 750 race?  I have it on tape and digital recording.  I will look for the ignominious pass.

Chuck


Uh...you mean Steve?  :)  My AMA number is 229. 

Keener
--part1_4a.7e6dc5b.29be4be9_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:16:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BIGhO14844 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w070 ([168.144.108.70]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:16:46 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: MSF bashing Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:19:45 -0500 To: "skeener2@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 18:16:46.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7E40600:01C1C928] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2BIGnO14845 No, I meant Scott. Who's Steve? And why are you pretending to be Scott? %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:05:29 EST To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF bashing In a message dated 3/11/02 12:36:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > Scott, > > What was your plate number iin the 750 race? I have it on tape and digital > recording. I will look for the ignominious pass. > > Chuck Uh...you mean Steve? :) My AMA number is 229. Keener -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10006.mail.yahoo.com (web10006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BIHQO14854 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:17:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020311181721.71295.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.42.123.58] by web10006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:17:21 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:17:21 -0800 (PST) From: "S. Moyer" Subject: braking thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Long time lurker here. Still enjoying the front vs. rear braking thread that Dysart stared over a week ago now... wondering when it will ever end. Guess the Mofos are best at avoiding the whole argument in the first place - they just don't use the brakes at all. -moyer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BIJTO14885 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.189.4a387df (4410); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:19:09 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <189.4a387df.29be4f1c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:19:08 EST Subject: Re: MSF bashing To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_189.4a387df.29be4f1c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 --part1_189.4a387df.29be4f1c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 1:16:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > No, I meant Scott. Who's Steve? And why are you pretending to be Scott? > %^) :-P --part1_189.4a387df.29be4f1c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 1:16:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:


No, I meant Scott.  Who's Steve?  And why are you pretending to be Scott? %^)


:-P
--part1_189.4a387df.29be4f1c_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:26:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BIQlO15079 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:30:14 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B425@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Compression gauge adapter Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:30:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Took advantage of Sears' 10% off this week end and snagged a compression gauge for $22.50 +tax (Same as $30 gauges at Trak & PepBoys) Alas, when I got home, I realized that it (& the ones at Trak & Pep Boyz) don't have the smaller (12mm?) thread adapters that fit motorcycle plugs. Snap On has one for $30 (gee whillikers!) IIRC reading about someone who cobbled one from an old spark plug -- but -- before I try that, I'll machine one from Delrin or poly-summate. But first, I'll whine and beg the list for suggestions as to cheap sources for adaptors. Carl in Brr-thesda From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h012.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BITLO15163 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 12679 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 10:29:15 -0800 Date: 11 Mar 2002 10:29:15 -0800 Message-ID: <20020311182915.12678.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Mar 2002 18:29:15 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Mar 2002 10:29:14 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: RE: Re: MSF bashing X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Mon, 11 March 2002, "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > > Y'know, this is a "family" list (geez, did I just agree with Gimer???) and we definitely don't need to know about you "rear ending" Roach! %^) > Oops. Sorry, I must have gotten confused and responded to the wrong list...oh yea, motorcycles... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BIUvO15241 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.146.ade1bc6 (4410); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:30:38 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <146.ade1bc6.29be51ce@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:30:38 EST Subject: Re: GS brakes (was: MSF bashing) To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_146.ade1bc6.29be51ce_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 --part1_146.ade1bc6.29be51ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 11:58:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > GS brakes weak? Well compared to the likes of a modern dual-disk sport > bike I guess they could be considered as such. But I think they are > really quite excellent. Normally the gotcha with the GS is really weak > front suspension. The GS is a light bike an unless you're a big > lard-ass the setup is just fine. Now try a cb750 (easy +100lbs) on a > single disk and 2-pot caliper. That's weak. Hey now...that resembles me!!! :) Keener --part1_146.ade1bc6.29be51ce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/02 11:58:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes:


GS brakes weak? Well compared to the likes of a modern dual-disk sport
bike I guess they could be considered as such. But I think they are
really quite excellent. Normally the gotcha with the GS is really weak
front suspension. The GS is a light bike an unless you're a big
lard-ass the setup is just fine. Now try a cb750 (easy +100lbs) on a
single disk and 2-pot caliper. That's weak.


Hey now...that resembles me!!!  :)

Keener
--part1_146.ade1bc6.29be51ce_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:34:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BIY3O15271 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2BIXwo30618; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:33:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:33:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200203111833.g2BIXwo30618@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: braking thread A mysterious lurker fanned the flames - Long time lurker here. Still enjoying the front vs. rear braking thread that Dysart stared over a week ago now... wondering when it will ever end. This little campfire pales in comparison to the mid 90's brake thread forest fire ;-) Nobody's even unsubbed in protest yet... Doesn't look like it's over yet though :-) And Glen(n?) has been conspicuously absent from the discussion... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:35:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BIZlO15360 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2BIZkn25110 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:35:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2BIZkN01235 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:35:46 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:35:46 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket In-Reply-To: <4pnp8ucafcn656pbhoaaisbd9qeqlkhsvv@4ax.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > They can't identify you, yet they are charging you with the crime. I'm not too keen on the fine, or the speed limit on that stretch of road, or the automated ticketing mechanism... but I must say that I can't get too upset that it's me they're fining. It's my vehicle, and I'm responsible for it. It wasn't stolen, which means either that I was piloting the damn thing at the time, or that I'd entrusted it to someone else. Either way, it's my problem. If it were someone else driving, I might be interested in pursuing them for money to pay the fine, but that's my affair. Of course, if points were being assigned to my license for someone else's idiocy, that would be different. As it stands, though, I'll take it like a grownup. One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms send tickets to people who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph? And if so, does the fine vary? Fish. founder, society for vigilante destruction of red light cameras ... and yes, that's a joke From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 13:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BIhFO15513 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GST00G01NZVCP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:43:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GST00F5INZVRD@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:43:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GST00201NZLPM@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:43:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GST000DZNZJFI@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:42:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:43:02 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3C8CFAB6.88369F19@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Fish Flowers wrote: > > Fish. > founder, society for vigilante destruction of red light cameras > > ... and yes, that's a joke No, it's not. Where do I join? :) -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 14:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h001.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BJLMO16180 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 21579 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 11:21:14 -0800 Received: from 204.254.216.14 (HELO 300BMeyers.cox.rr.com) by smtp.meyer.net (209.228.32.65) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 11:21:14 -0800 X-Sent: 11 Mar 2002 19:21:14 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020311141151.026ba1b0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:16:10 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket In-Reply-To: References: <4pnp8ucafcn656pbhoaaisbd9qeqlkhsvv@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:35 PM 3/11/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I'm not too keen on the fine, or the speed limit on that stretch of road, >or the automated ticketing mechanism... but I must say that I can't get >too upset that it's me they're fining. It's my vehicle, and I'm >responsible for it. It wasn't stolen, which means either that I was >piloting the damn thing at the time, or that I'd entrusted it to someone >else. Either way, it's my problem. If it were someone else driving, I >might be interested in pursuing them for money to pay the fine, but that's >my affair. Hmm, so if you lend your cage to someone, and they rob a 7-11 using it, you're responsible, because they used your car? Of perhaps a better analogy: you lend someone your gun to go target shooting, and they use it to rob the 7-11. Are you responsible? Vehicles don't speed, or run red lights, by themselves. Drivers and riders are responsible for making them do those things. And up until fairly recently, only the driver could be charged with doing so. Ever hear of innocent until PROVEN guilty? That means you get a day in court, any witnesses have to testify that they saw YOU commit a crime, and you can cross examine those witnesses. Then along comes Lockheed, with it's get-rich-quick scheme for local governments, and all of a sudden those same governments need to find a way around 200 years of case law. How can the camera testify that YOU were driving? How can you cross examine a camera? Sounds like a big problem. Ah ha! We just won't call speeding a crime if it's witnessed by a camera, we'll call it a civil violation! So if a cop sees you going 75 in a 55, it's a crime and you get points. If a camera sees you going 75 in a 55, the exact same action becomes a civil violation, not a crime. Give me a break. Some smart lawyer ought to take a state to court and claim unequal enforcement of the law: either speeding is a crime, in which case speed cameras should be inadmissable, or speeding is NOT a crime, in which case no points should be assessed, ever. The states probably wouldn't object to the latter, since revenue is the primary goal of speed enforcement anyway. But the insurance industry would sure lobby hard against it, because w/o points how would they jack up your rates to ensure inflated profits on mandatory insurance. TW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 14:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h001.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BJLNO16182 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 21601 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 11:21:16 -0800 Received: from 204.254.216.14 (HELO 300BMeyers.cox.rr.com) by smtp.meyer.net (209.228.32.65) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 11:21:16 -0800 X-Sent: 11 Mar 2002 19:21:16 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020311141631.026b9600@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:19:28 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket In-Reply-To: <3C8CFAB6.88369F19@comcast.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:43 PM 3/11/2002 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Fish Flowers wrote: > > > > Fish. > > founder, society for vigilante destruction of red light cameras > > > > ... and yes, that's a joke > >No, it's not. Where do I join? :) Great Britain has passed a law regulating the use of speed cameras. In many instances (though with some exceptions), they must be painted bright yellow (apparently drivers were slamming on their brakes when encountering one, causing a raft of rear-end collisions), can't be located too close together, and some other common sense rules. I'll look for the article I saw, and post some more details if I find it. In the meantime, if you live in Virginia, write your state legislators. There was a bill introduced in the last sessions to ban red light cameras. With enough popular support, maybe a ban can pass next year. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 14:58:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BJw0O16752 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2BJvxn00496 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:57:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2BJvxE00376 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:57:59 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:57:59 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020311141151.026ba1b0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Bob Meyer wrote: > Hmm, so if you lend your cage to someone, and they rob a 7-11 using > it, you're responsible, because they used your car? Or perhaps a > better analogy: you lend someone your gun to go target shooting, and > they use it to rob the 7-11. Are you responsible? In these cases, no; but as you later point out, I am not being charged with a criminal offense, merely levied a fine. I agree with you that the rules/laws as they stand are arbitrary, irksome, and possibly unconstitutional. I've often felt that most traffic enforcement is arbitrary. But that doesn't mean that responsibility shouldn't enter into it. To use your example of lending someone a gun for target practice which they then use to rob a store: yes, I would hold myself somewhat responsible for that. Under the law, I agree that I shouldn't be prosecuted, but that doesn't mean I didn't bollocks it up by loaning a lethal weapon[1] to an untrustworthy idiot. I should have known better. (Of course, mistakes happen, and anyway I'm a terrible judge of character.) Fish. i resent being called an irresponsible idiot... i'm a responsible one [1] -- a'course, your average motor vehicle can be just as deadly as a firearm... if not more so From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 17:36:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hitman.cc (mail@XXXXXX [64.67.209.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BMaCO19604 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from rob (helo=localhost) by hitman.cc with local-esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16kYPi-0007c7-00 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:37:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:37:06 -0500 (EST) From: Rob J X-X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Motorcycle Registration in VA? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Rob J Hey all, Was just wondering what the policy is for motorcycle registration in VA. I remember reading somewhere that they require you to have your bike inspected before you can register it, but in looking at the VA DMV website it doesn't make any mention of this. Can I title/register my bike in VA, get the tags, then take it to go get inspected? Or do I have to find a way to get the bike to an inspection station before I can register it? Thanks. Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 18:25:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BNPwO20326 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p59.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.59]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2BNPngi000581; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:25:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Rob J'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle Registration in VA? Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:22:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c1c953$af930140$3b81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Rob asks - Can I title/register my bike in VA, get the tags, then take it to go get inspected? Or do I have to find a way to get the bike to an inspection station before I can register it? I moved from the Peoples Republic of Maryland last year, and while still legally using MD tags, I got my inspection, went to DMV & got my permanent tags, registration & title in one swell foop. I believe you can get title / tags / registration without safety inspection, but I thought it would be less hassle to just get the inspection 1st... HTH Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 18:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11504.mail.yahoo.com (web11504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2BNSdO20418 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:28:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020311232838.49279.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.17] by web11504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:28:38 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Motorcycle Registration in VA? To: Rob J , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes Glenn --- Rob J wrote: > Can I title/register my bike in VA, get the tags, > then take it to go get > inspected? Or do I have to find a way to get the > bike to an inspection > station before I can register it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 18:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2BNTBO20428 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id b.12b.dab0428 (16106); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mow-m31 (mow-m31.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID1110-0311182853; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:28:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:28:52 EST From: Boiade@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <12b.dab0428.29be97b6@aol.com> Bob, If you are an excellent rider/racer and have the ability to modulate the rear brake accurately when riding at racing speeds and in racing dynamics it can be an excellent tool for pre-turn set-up and an equally effective tool for bringing the rear wheel around in a controlled slide but for slowing down it really isn't a factor. I'm not that talented so I don't use it for those purposes. Engine braking provides about as much braking power to the rear wheel as can be sustained on a sport or race bike (even my 2-strokes) maximizing the power of the front brake. Riding on the edge on the street (and a panic situation on the street is similar to what we do on the track at nearly every turn in terms of dynamics)I believe that the rear brake is just about as useful as on the track. It provides little advantage and some risk. I don't deny that expert use of the rear brake with more careful use of the front brake will not stop you faster. The question is, in racing or in a panic situation on the street, is the additional attention one has give to both brakes useful or advantageous? The problem with instinctively using the rear brake is that, invariably, in panic situation a street rider, particularly a novice, will let adrenaline take over and press down just a little harder with his/her foot and become one of the single vehicle accident statistics mentioned in the Hurt Report. This is the rationale other (European) motorcycle safety organizations use to discourage the use of the rear brake for novices. I like to think of the rear brake as an emergency brake. At the Grand National Finals at Road Atlanta last fall I lost the front brake at mid race and I continued to race using the rear, very carefully. People I passed easily earlier in the race went by me, but at least I finished. I certainly wouldn't race without a rear brake, it is useful when one takes an off track excursion and when the front brake goes away for some reason. You may be more talented than most and can safely use the rear brake while riding on the edge, for a majority of riders and racers this is not the case. Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 19:14:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay05.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01b.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2C0ErO21249 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24938 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 00:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.200.1?) ([170.215.128.196]) (envelope-sender ) by relay05.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Mar 2002 00:14:46 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:14:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Summer riding pants From: Bob McKeithen To: George Cole , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 3/11/02 8:48 AM, George Cole at George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > I could use a pair of these just for working in the garage etc... > > According to the website they are $ 44 a pair, where did you get the $ 25 > price? > > Thanks, > > George Cole > 01 FZ1 > >>>> Bob McKeithen 03/08/02 08:43PM >>> > I just received what may an interesting alternative to expensive riding > jeans from an outfit called JD American Workwear. They are a very heavy > denim jean with padded leather covered knees and leather covered butt. The > good news is they are on sale for $25 a pair--the bad news is they are going > out of business on 1April. Check the website at http://www.jdamerican.com > > Bob > > > By phone From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 19:27:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C0RQO21486 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-26.patriot.net [209.249.181.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C0RK600963; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:27:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8D4AFF.7C063B64@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:25:35 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: SKeener2@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF bashing References: <20020311164642.22521.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I can attest to this after almost rear-ending Roach on his ducati on the way to a bike night. It was the first time being on my GS since I'd been racing and didn't realize just how little of front brakes my GS had. :) > > Ooooops! > LAG > Your squeezer must be out of practice. I would guess that you could go over the limit and lock the front wheel with those so called weak calipers. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 19:32:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C0W6O21556 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-26.patriot.net [209.249.181.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C0W4602018; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:32:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8D4C1B.3F281FF6@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:30:19 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Compression gauge adapter References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B425@DCHQCLEXHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dang. I thought all compression gauge sets came with both standard plug sizes. Mine does and I think it's Craftsman. Has a quick connect like air compressor hoses for the two in the hole parts. Bill Custer, Carl wrote: > Took advantage of Sears' 10% off this week end and snagged a compression > gauge for $22.50 +tax (Same as $30 gauges at Trak & PepBoys) > Alas, when I got home, I realized that it (& the ones at Trak & Pep Boyz) > don't have the smaller (12mm?) thread adapters that fit motorcycle plugs. > Snap On has one for $30 (gee whillikers!) > IIRC reading about someone who cobbled one from an old spark plug -- but -- > before I try that, I'll machine one from Delrin or poly-summate. > But first, I'll whine and beg the list for suggestions as to cheap sources > for adaptors. > > Carl in Brr-thesda From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 19:49:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10007.mail.yahoo.com (web10007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2C0nQO21796 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:49:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020312004925.99893.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.194.189] by web10007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:49:25 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:49:25 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Automated speeding ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200203120001.g2C01Gv20973@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Then along comes Lockheed, with it's get-rich-quick scheme for local governments, and all of a sudden those same governments need to find a way around 200 years of case law." Lockheed Martin did indeed use its technology and know how to maximize its shareholders wealth...but it should be noted that they sold off that operating unit back in November 2001. Lockheed is no longer in the red light/speed camera business. Herb '99 VFR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 19:54:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2C0spO21893 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 20375 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 16:54:43 -0800 Received: from 63.159.27.95 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.167) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 16:54:43 -0800 X-Sent: 12 Mar 2002 00:54:43 GMT Message-ID: <000c01c1c961$e5e538e0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: , , References: <20020311164642.22521.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <3C8D4AFF.7C063B64@patriot.net> Subject: Re: MSF bashing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:04:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > Your squeezer must be out of practice. I would guess that you could go over the limit and lock the front wheel with those so called weak calipers. > nah, squeezer is just fine...just didn't realize the *true* difference between race bike brake set up and street bike brakes. LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 20:19:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C1JBO22300 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (01-025.068.popsite.net [64.24.81.25]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 96DE8365C88; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:18:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001301c1c964$2b860300$19511840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: The straw that "braked" the camel's back Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:19:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 danniedavis@XXXXXX offers: jesus H christ please stop :( I reply: A-freakin' men. For god's sake, man, when are y'all gonna realize you're just arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing, and you're not getting any-freakin' where. No one is swaying anyone else's opinion, and facts/half-truths/out-right lies just keep getting flung around. Can this maybe be taken off list amongst the principals until you've all come to a decision. We'd like maybe a little 2-minute book report of your findings, but please find the findings in private. I keep thinking about that comparison between internet arguing and winning the Special Olympics. It's terribly insensitive but accurate in this instance. Let's start a Daytona results thread or something. Someone tell me something about the other sanctioning bodies' races that I didn't see on SV. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (Terminally For Sale) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 20:43:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C1heO22694 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g2C1guw07208; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:43:12 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF bashing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:42:56 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020311164642.22521.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <3C8D4AFF.7C063B64@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3C8D4AFF.7C063B64@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02031120425608.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 11 March 2002 19:25, you wrote: > Your squeezer must be out of practice. I would guess that you could go > over the limit and lock the front wheel with those so called weak calipers. Actually... it's more of a difference between a 300lbs Aprilia two-stroke race bike which comes equiped with dual discs and the same Brembo calipers found on a Ducati 900ss, equiped with Performance Friction sintered pads vs. a 400lbs GS500 with stock pads, stock lines, etc ... grab a handful on the aprilia and you're staring at your own front number plate. Grab a handfull on the GS and you stop... eventually :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 20:48:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hitman.cc (mail@XXXXXX [64.67.209.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C1mhO22780 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from rob (helo=localhost) by hitman.cc with local-esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16kbQ8-0007r3-00 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:49:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:49:44 -0500 (EST) From: Rob J X-X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Motorcycle Registration in VA? In-Reply-To: <000401c1c953$af930140$3b81c0cf@nih.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Rob J On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Dave Yates wrote: > Rob asks - > > Can I title/register my bike in VA, get the tags, then take it to go get > inspected? Or do I have to find a way to get the bike to an inspection > station before I can register it? > > > I moved from the Peoples Republic of Maryland last year, and > while still legally using MD tags, I got my inspection, went to DMV & > got my permanent tags, registration & title in one swell foop. I > believe you can get title / tags / registration without safety > inspection, but I thought it would be less hassle to just get the > inspection 1st... Excellent. I just bought this bike from someone in MD, so it has never been in VA before. I just wanted to get it titled/tagged/registered before I had someone take it out to get it inspected. Thanks for the info! Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 20:51:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2C1poO22877 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 9990 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 17:51:43 -0800 Received: from 63.159.27.95 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 17:51:43 -0800 X-Sent: 12 Mar 2002 01:51:43 GMT Message-ID: <002b01c1c969$dc8901c0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "William J. Huson" , References: <20020311164642.22521.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <3C8D4AFF.7C063B64@patriot.net> <02031120425608.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: MSF bashing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:01:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > Actually... it's more of a difference between a 300lbs Aprilia two-stroke > race bike which comes equiped with dual discs and the same Brembo calipers > found on a Ducati 900ss, equiped with Performance Friction sintered pads vs. > a 400lbs GS500 with stock pads, stock lines, etc ... grab a handful on the > aprilia and you're staring at your own front number plate. Grab a handfull on > the GS and you stop... eventually :) > > - Roach Yea, what he said! That's exactly what I meant. LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 20:57:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (root@XXXXXX [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C1vgO22981 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dial243.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.73.112]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id UAA16516 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:57:27 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020311201423.00a8ef00@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:55:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Daytona 200 afternoon In-Reply-To: <3C8BFDD7.7060907@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:44 PM 3/10/02 , you wrote: >Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this >afternoon. We had a small crowd of about 20 people. So where was >everyone else??? Petty Tower, Section T, Row 47, Seat 1 :-) Andrew From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C25GO23151 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.127.d671553 (26117); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:04:52 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <127.d671553.29bebc44@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:04:52 EST Subject: Re: Daytona 200 afternoon To: the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_127.d671553.29bebc44_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_127.d671553.29bebc44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this > afternoon. We had a small crowd of about 20 people. So where was > everyone else??? > In the infield, the pits, enjoying the 80 degree temps. Missed you, though. :) Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_127.d671553.29bebc44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:

Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this
afternoon.  We had a small crowd of about 20 people.  So where was
everyone else???


  In the infield, the pits, enjoying the 80 degree temps. Missed you, though.  :)

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9
--part1_127.d671553.29bebc44_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C25WO23161 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g2C239w07251; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:03:19 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Andrew Culpepper , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona 200 afternoon Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:03:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <4.2.2.20020311201423.00a8ef00@biga.pop.crosslink.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020311201423.00a8ef00@biga.pop.crosslink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02031121030809.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 11 March 2002 20:55, Andrew Culpepper wrote: > At 07:44 PM 3/10/02 , you wrote: > >Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this > >afternoon. We had a small crowd of about 20 people. So where was > >everyone else??? > > Petty Tower, Section T, Row 47, Seat 1 :-) Inquiring minds want to know: Did you ride the EX all the way down there?? - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:14:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C2E5O23343 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-221.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.221] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16kbnR-0004SJ-00; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:13:49 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020311211003.00b03820@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:14:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Motorcycle Registration in VA? Cc: Rob J In-Reply-To: References: <000401c1c953$af930140$3b81c0cf@nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Excellent. I just bought this bike from someone in MD, so it has never >been in VA before. I just wanted to get it titled/tagged/registered >before I had someone take it out to get it inspected. Sorry, but you have to have it inspected *before* VA DMV will register it. The DMV agent will insist on having the pink inspection slip in his/her hot little hand. When dealing with a MD moto dealer, like Free State Cycle, if you want them to get your VA plates, they will do it, but first you have to take the bike with temporary MD plates, get a VA inspection, and bring the VA inspection slip back to the dealer so the dealer can get the plates. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:16:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C2G8O23431 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXPxK/ec5LQUUY7zEbUUUWreQhXH0TijYqQ=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GVNT58UN; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:15:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:12:36 -0500 Subject: I'm back - got a question Message-ID: <20020311.211241.-644313.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6,8,10,12 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering. What are the merits of using the rear brake when braking? Has this ever been discussed before? Thanks! Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:20:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C2KUO23537 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p59.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.59]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2C2KQgi021157; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:20:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Tom Fitzpatrick'" , Subject: RE: I'm back - got a question Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:16:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c1c96b$f4d0e8e0$3b81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020311.211241.-644313.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Hey - can anyone send the last 7 or so days of DCC Archives to Tom ??? How about we ALL do it ???? Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering. What are the merits of using the rear brake when braking? Has this ever been discussed before? Thanks! Tom Fitzpatrick From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:26:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (root@XXXXXX [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C2QRO23573 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dial243.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.73.112]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id VAA05303; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:25:58 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020311211647.00baa2c0@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:24:38 -0500 To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Daytona 200 afternoon In-Reply-To: <02031121030809.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> References: <4.2.2.20020311201423.00a8ef00@biga.pop.crosslink.net> <4.2.2.20020311201423.00a8ef00@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:03 PM 3/11/02 , Brian Roach wrote: >On Monday 11 March 2002 20:55, Andrew Culpepper wrote: > > At 07:44 PM 3/10/02 , you wrote: > > >Thanks to all who showed up at Grevey's to watch the Daytona 200 this > > >afternoon. We had a small crowd of about 20 people. So where was > > >everyone else??? > > > > Petty Tower, Section T, Row 47, Seat 1 :-) > >Inquiring minds want to know: Did you ride the EX all the way down there?? Yes, but I took two days each way. Too bad I missed you and Keener on the first weekend. Good job! Andrew C. '90 EX500 '01 ZR-7S From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:31:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail01g.rapidsite.net (mail01g.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2C2VgO23725 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.hartzler.net (209.130.84.17) by mail01g.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.62s) with SMTP id 013990; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (zing.hartzler.home [127.0.0.1]) by zing.hartzler.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2C2VOa29488; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:31:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:31:24 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: Tom Fitzpatrick cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm back - got a question In-Reply-To: <20020311.211241.-644313.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Tom -- It's OK to apply rear brake except if you use synthetic oil. 8-P -ph On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering. What are the > merits of using the rear brake when braking? Has this ever been > discussed before? > > Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:33:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C2X2O23735 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-26.patriot.net [209.249.181.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C2We628952; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:32:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8D685F.6F196653@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:30:55 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF bashing References: <20020311164642.22521.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <3C8D4AFF.7C063B64@patriot.net> <02031120425608.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > On Monday 11 March 2002 19:25, you wrote: > > > Your squeezer must be out of practice. I would guess that you could go > > over the limit and lock the front wheel with those so called weak calipers. > > Actually... it's more of a difference between a 300lbs Aprilia two-stroke > race bike which comes equiped with dual discs and the same Brembo calipers > found on a Ducati 900ss, equiped with Performance Friction sintered pads vs. > a 400lbs GS500 with stock pads, stock lines, etc ... grab a handful on the > aprilia and you're staring at your own front number plate. Grab a handfull on > the GS and you stop... eventually :) > > - Roach Gotcha. I guess if I got a shot of young and wanted to haul slug on the Harley I could switch to steel lines, change pads, or even put on full floaters and multi puck calipers. That would no doubt make a differance, but hey, I'm old, I'm slow, so I'll juts drift on down the road. I would expect a Duc or Aprilla to have that neat stuff. After all, guys and gals who hop on those want to go like hell, and hopefully stop as quick. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C2cLO23825 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g2C2biw07323; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:37:54 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Andrew Culpepper , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona 200 afternoon Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:37:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <4.2.2.20020311201423.00a8ef00@biga.pop.crosslink.net> <4.2.2.20020311211647.00baa2c0@biga.pop.crosslink.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020311211647.00baa2c0@biga.pop.crosslink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0203112137430A.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 11 March 2002 21:24, Andrew Culpepper wrote: > At 09:03 PM 3/11/02 , Brian Roach wrote: > >Inquiring minds want to know: Did you ride the EX all the way down there?? > > Yes, but I took two days each way. ::shaking head:: You, my friend, are hardcore. I think the saddest thing I saw while we were down there were trailers... from FLORIDA. I mean... I know most of them are poseurs, but geez... they can't even be bothered to ride across their own state?? Maybe I should trailer a bike from DE to VA for bike nights... - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C2fdO23869 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g2C2evw07330; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:41:12 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Subject: Re: MSF bashing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:40:56 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20020311164642.22521.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <02031120425608.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> <3C8D685F.6F196653@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3C8D685F.6F196653@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0203112140560B.00780@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 11 March 2002 21:30, William J. Huson wrote: > I would expect a Duc or Aprilla to have that neat stuff. After all, guys > and gals who hop on those want to go like hell, and hopefully stop as > quick. The scary part is that the 900ss will stand on it's nose with those brakes... and it weighs about 140lbs more than the Aprilia. First time I rode the Aprilia I about threw myself over the bars in T1 ... they stop it ... in a hurry. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C2qaO24122 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-26.patriot.net [209.249.181.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C2qU600657; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:52:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8D6D05.66C7E90C@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:50:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Rob J Subject: Re: Motorcycle Registration in VA? References: <000401c1c953$af930140$3b81c0cf@nih.gov> <4.3.2.7.2.20020311211003.00b03820@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > >Excellent. I just bought this bike from someone in MD, so it has never > >been in VA before. I just wanted to get it titled/tagged/registered > >before I had someone take it out to get it inspected. > > Sorry, but you have to have it inspected *before* VA DMV will register it. > The DMV agent will insist on having the pink inspection slip in his/her hot > little hand. > Since when? The only time I needed an ispection was to take the riding test. I've never been asked for safety inspection to register a vehicle of any kind, truck, car, bike, or trailer. For cars and light trucks you DO need emmisons to register it. Bikes are exempt. Bill > When dealing with a MD moto dealer, like Free State Cycle, if you want > them to get your VA plates, they will do it, but first you have to take the > bike with temporary MD plates, get a VA inspection, and bring the VA > inspection slip back to the dealer so the dealer can get the plates. > > -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 21:59:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2C2xTO24226 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:59:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020312025928.24391.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.17] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:59:28 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:59:28 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Motorcycle Registration in VA? To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Rob J In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020311211003.00b03820@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've NEVER ran into this and I've probably registered about 15 vehicles in the good old commonwealth. I've never been asked for the inspection slip. Glenn --- Larry Larson wrote: > > Sorry, but you have to have it inspected *before* VA > DMV will register it. > The DMV agent will insist on having the pink > inspection slip in his/her hot > little hand. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 22:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C38HO24431 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.169]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay6 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GSUBDM00.F8W for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:08:10 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Motorcycle Registration in VA? Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:06:39 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c1c972$eeea6d00$1606030a@d478406837> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020312025928.24391.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Same here, NEVER had to produce an inspection ticket for a bike or a car to register. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:59 PM To: Larry Larson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Rob J Subject: RE: Motorcycle Registration in VA? I've NEVER ran into this and I've probably registered about 15 vehicles in the good old commonwealth. I've never been asked for the inspection slip. Glenn --- Larry Larson wrote: > > Sorry, but you have to have it inspected *before* VA > DMV will register it. > The DMV agent will insist on having the pink > inspection slip in his/her hot > little hand. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 22:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C3IaO24628 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-221.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.221] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16kco1-0005cP-00; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:18:29 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020311221410.00b06db8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:19:37 -0500 To: "William J. Huson" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Motorcycle Registration in VA? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Rob J In-Reply-To: <3C8D6D05.66C7E90C@patriot.net> References: <000401c1c953$af930140$3b81c0cf@nih.gov> <4.3.2.7.2.20020311211003.00b03820@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:50 PM 3/11/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > Sorry, but you have to have it inspected *before* VA DMV will register it. > > The DMV agent will insist on having the pink inspection slip in his/her hot > > little hand. > > > >Since when? The only time I needed an ispection was to take the riding test. >I've never been asked for safety inspection to register a vehicle of any kind, >truck, car, bike, or trailer. For cars and light trucks you DO need >emmisons to >register it. Bikes are exempt. When I bought my GS500 from Free State last year, two clerks at the Eisenhower Avenue DMV both required the pink inspection slip *before* issuing the title and registration. No emissions required, of course -- just the safety inspection. When I took the VA riding test a few months later, also at the Eisenhower DMV, they did not ask for either registration or inspection slip (good thing, since I've never remembered to put the inspection slip on the bike or in my wallet). Maybe it's left to the individual inspector's whim. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 22:22:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C3MAO24726 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-221.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.221] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16kcrZ-0002ZI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:22:09 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020311222114.00afe5c0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:23:17 -0500 To: From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Motorcycle Registration in VA? In-Reply-To: <004801c1c972$eeea6d00$1606030a@d478406837> References: <20020312025928.24391.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:59 PM >To: Larry Larson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Cc: Rob J >Subject: RE: Motorcycle Registration in VA? > > >I've NEVER ran into this and I've probably registered >about 15 vehicles in the good old commonwealth. I've >never been asked for the inspection slip. I haven't either on cars, but the new bike from MD seemed to be a different story. It *was* a royal pain in the patoot. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 22:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C3UEO24891 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-26.patriot.net [209.249.181.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C3UA608392; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:30:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8D75D9.4B10AD5A@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:28:25 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Rob J Subject: Re: Motorcycle Registration in VA? References: <000401c1c953$af930140$3b81c0cf@nih.gov> <4.3.2.7.2.20020311211003.00b03820@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020311221410.00b06db8@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > When I bought my GS500 from Free State last year, two clerks at the > Eisenhower Avenue DMV both required the pink inspection slip *before* > issuing the title and registration. No emissions required, of course -- just > the safety inspection. > Very strange. Methinks you had a trainer clerk. When I got the title for the Norton the clerk in Shirlington was trying her damndest to sell me a tag. Inspection? HA! The project bike had no electrics at all, no fenders, and no exhaust. No problem the lady would have sold me a tag or fixed me up with an antique tag. > When I took the VA riding test a few months later, also at the Eisenhower > DMV, they did not ask for either registration or inspection slip (good thing, > since I've never remembered to put the inspection slip on the bike or in my > wallet). If you have a tag and the inspection sticker showing, no need to ask for the paper proof. I didn't even own the bike I took my test on, and therefore had no papers to give them had they asked.. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 11 22:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2C3ovO25253 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from comcast.net (bgp01545898bgs.longhl01.md.comcast.net [68.50.28.71]) by mtaout45-01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSU003BQDCOV8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:50:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:54:16 -0800 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Subject: Re: Throttlemeister To: "William J. Huson" Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3C8DA618.6F8687ED@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <011701c1c8ae$948826a0$c938e2cf@micron> <3C8C9CD4.D015724@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > > The wrist rocker thangs look usable - might have to try one of those. > > Bill > Bill, I got's one of 'dem thangs. I used on a trip from Baltimore to Americade in Lake George, NY just shy of the Canadian border, last year. Works great on long stretches, and flips around out of your way when you hit the stops and go's. Snaps on and off easy enough, for when you don't need it. Hey, for ten bucks, 'ya can't beat it. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 07:27:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ip01.mx.aol.com (rly-ip01.mx.aol.com [205.188.156.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CCR3O03139 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from logs-te.proxy.aol.com (logs-te.proxy.aol.com [152.163.195.135]) by rly-ip01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id HAA05505 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.144.14.104] (AC900E68.ipt.aol.com [172.144.14.104]) by logs-te.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CCMWR54794 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:22:32 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C8D4C1B.3F281FF6@patriot.net> References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B425@DCHQCLEXHQ> <3C8D4C1B.3F281FF6@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:19:13 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: Compression gauge adapter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Apparently-From: ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX >Snap On has one for $30 (gee whillikers!) Mac tools... $6.95 ... Item #CT-110 (10mm thread (FZR400 and the like) or (I believe CT-112 for 12mm adapter)... Should be about the same price... This is just a small metal adapter that would thread onto the 14mm piece at the end of your hose... -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 07:58:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from node1.fcps.k12.va.us (node1.fcps.k12.va.us [151.188.3.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CCwkO03973 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from us.didata.com (falcon.fcps.edu [151.188.2.105]) by node1.fcps.k12.va.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07608 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:36:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8DF62E.8010408@us.didata.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:35:58 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm back - got a question References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, no.  Thats if you only use cage 0 weight mobile1.  And only if purchased at WalMart.

Tom de.
'98 VTR

Peter Hartzler wrote:
Tom --

It's OK to apply rear brake except if you use synthetic oil.

8-P

-ph

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Tom Fitzpatrick wrote:

Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering.   What are the
merits of using the rear brake when braking? Has this ever been
discussed before?

Thanks!



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And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 09:55:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.warren-news.com (mail.warren-news.com [209.8.211.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2CEtBO05817 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from EXCHANGE by mail.warren-news.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 14:57:44 UT Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:53:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Fisk, Euan" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Automated Speeding Ticket Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:53:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" DC's speeding cameras begin snapping your picture at 11mph over the limit, so it looks like you just lucked out and hit the magic number. Here's a handy list of locations of the photo-radar cameras: http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/speedlocation_map.shtm and here's the map/list for red light cameras: http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/redlightloc.shtm and remember, if you wheelie past them they can't see your plate. -Euan [...] >One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms send tickets to people >who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph? And if so, does the >fine vary? > >Fish. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 10:03:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CF3dO06001 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA14040 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:03:32 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020312101343.040baed4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:13:45 -0500 To: From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Chatterbox questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:43 AM 3/11/02 -0500, JD wrote: >On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> Does anyone know if the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible? I have friends >> with the GMRSX1 and I'm considering purchasing the FRSX2 (I'm cheap). The >> X1 just seems to have more range than the X2. > >the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible on the first 7 channels. The biggest >differences are the GMRS units are 5 watts, vs. FRS at 0.5 watts. GMRS >requires a license $75/5 years I believe, and no test. Just fill out the >form and mail with a check. FRS is good for about 1/2-1 mile GMRS will do >closer to 3-5 miles. > >I've done a bunch of traveling recently with FRS in the car and had >numerous occasions where I could see another car ahead of me on the road >but could not talk to them. I'd save up the money and get the GMRS unit. > >-jd Thanks for the info, JD. I'll keep scraping up those pennies and get the GMRS. Now... who has the cheapest prices on the Chatterbox? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 10:26:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CFQMO06384 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-107-44.s1314.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.107.44] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16koAP-0005BH-00; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:26:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01d501c1c9da$4c56e060$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <011701c1c8ae$948826a0$c938e2cf@micron><3C8C9CD4.D015724@patriot.net> <3C8DA618.6F8687ED@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Throttlemeister Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:25:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I really like the Throttlerocker and Vista-Cruise combination on my VFR, as I've found it has greatly added to my comfort on long trips. Ten hours in the saddle are no problem. Before I got them you could have hit my right hand with a hammer and I wouldn't have felt a thing after an all-day trip. Kinda scary reaching for the brake lever and realizing your hand has no strength in it. Now with the Vista-Cruise I can lock down the throttle for five minutes at a time on flat highways and take the load off. Other times a little downward pressure with the heel of the palm keeps the throttle rolled on. www.wilsonline.org/vfr/throttle.jpg One caveat is that the Vista-Cruise is not "plug and play." It required some modifications to fit and I need to shave down the lever a bit so it doesn't hit the tank. YMMV. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F Join the VFR750 list >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 1:54 AM Subject: Re: Throttlemeister > > > "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > > > The wrist rocker thangs look usable - might have to try one of those. > > > > Bill > > > > Bill, > I got's one of 'dem thangs. I used on a trip from Baltimore to Americade > in Lake George, NY just shy of the Canadian border, last year. Works great on long > stretches, and flips around out of your way when you hit the stops and go's. Snaps > on and off easy enough, for when you don't need it. Hey, for ten bucks, 'ya can't > beat it. > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > National Marketing Coordinator > Suzuki Owners Club USA > 142 Circle Road > Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 > http://www.soc-usa.org > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 10:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13801.mail.yahoo.com (web13801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2CFZvO06626 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:35:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020312153556.29385.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:35:56 PST Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket To: "Fisk, Euan" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Euan! Low time no see. Hows it going? Ok, I checked out this list. Do ALL of these locations have cameras? I thought the cameras were in cars, while the Red-light cameras were permanent? Can you see the car parked as you go by or have they mounted the speed cameras on poles too. I am most interested in: 200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel 100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel Love to speed in tunnels..... Mark --- "Fisk, Euan" wrote: > DC's speeding cameras begin snapping your picture at > 11mph over the > limit, so it looks like you just lucked out and hit > the magic number. > Here's a handy list of locations of the photo-radar > cameras: > > http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/speedlocation_map.shtm > > and here's the map/list for red light cameras: > > http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/redlightloc.shtm > > and remember, if you wheelie past them they can't > see your plate. > -Euan > > [...] > >One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms > send tickets to people > >who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph? > And if so, does the > >fine vary? > > > >Fish. > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 10:46:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CFkZO06792 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-45-142.s1412.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.142] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16koTy-0005Fa-00; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:46:35 -0500 Message-ID: <023501c1c9dd$1d9f0240$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , References: <20020312153556.29385.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:46:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 No, those are targeted enforcement areas that *might* have cameras on any given day. The vehicles used are unmarked Crown Vics, I believe. Radar cams are mounted in the vehicles. Also I notice the DC government has a new agreement with the red light cam folks. The cam owner will now receive a flat fee, not a percentage of ticket revenues. MPD has also been having an off and on radar enforcement in the tunnels with real live officers too. Pity, it's the smoothest pavement in all of DC. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Ok, I checked out this list. Do ALL of these > locations have cameras? I thought the cameras were in > cars, while the Red-light cameras were permanent? Can > you see the car parked as you go by or have they > mounted the speed cameras on poles too. > > I am most interested in: > > 200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel > 100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel > > Love to speed in tunnels..... > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 11:08:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CG8NO07151 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaxcyXCwd/DyAJjI9Y1wCsN0oeA3SPnKU2sQIA7B2NaHgVsN800qeGWLFZsftTZ/k0= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kop4-000271-00; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:08:22 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Automated Speeding Ticket Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:06:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020312153556.29385.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal You can still speed in tunnels, just accept the $75 toll ...and it's just like ez pass: no toll booth. woo-hoo! --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:36 AM > To: Fisk, Euan; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Cc: 'fish@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket > > > Euan! Low time no see. Hows it going? > > Ok, I checked out this list. Do ALL of these > locations have cameras? I thought the cameras were in > cars, while the Red-light cameras were permanent? Can > you see the car parked as you go by or have they > mounted the speed cameras on poles too. > > I am most interested in: > > 200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel > 100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel > > Love to speed in tunnels..... > > Mark > > --- "Fisk, Euan" wrote: > > DC's speeding cameras begin snapping your picture at > > 11mph over the > > limit, so it looks like you just lucked out and hit > > the magic number. > > Here's a handy list of locations of the photo-radar > > cameras: > > > > > http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/speedlocation_map.shtm > > > > and here's the map/list for red light cameras: > > > > http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/redlightloc.shtm > > > > and remember, if you wheelie past them they can't > > see your plate. > > -Euan > > > > [...] > > >One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms > > send tickets to people > > >who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph? > > And if so, does the > > >fine vary? > > > > > >Fish. > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 11:09:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CG9CO07163 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BML8VK>; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:08:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: was Re: Automated Speeding Ticket now Jurisdiction enforcement Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:08:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Twice recently I've seen an officer standing shooting radar right outside the E street tunnel heading towards 66 or the Whitehurst Freeway when leaving work in the evening. This confuses me, can I outrun him to VA and not have to deal with him? It's not that far. Does he only care about people going towards Whitehurst and staying in DC? I've also seen an officer sitting in a car facing VA where Constitution Ave and E St join before. The HOV cops standing on an exit ramp in VA on 66 tried to stop my girlfriend over once for driving by herself and she just waved at them and kept going. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:46 AM To: Mark Kitchell; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket No, those are targeted enforcement areas that *might* have cameras on any given day. The vehicles used are unmarked Crown Vics, I believe. Radar cams are mounted in the vehicles. Also I notice the DC government has a new agreement with the red light cam folks. The cam owner will now receive a flat fee, not a percentage of ticket revenues. MPD has also been having an off and on radar enforcement in the tunnels with real live officers too. Pity, it's the smoothest pavement in all of DC. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Ok, I checked out this list. Do ALL of these > locations have cameras? I thought the cameras were in > cars, while the Red-light cameras were permanent? Can > you see the car parked as you go by or have they > mounted the speed cameras on poles too. > > I am most interested in: > > 200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel > 100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel > > Love to speed in tunnels..... > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 11:31:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.warren-news.com (mail.warren-news.com [209.8.211.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2CGV7O07685 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from EXCHANGE by mail.warren-news.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 16:33:41 UT Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:29:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Fisk, Euan" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Automated Speeding Ticket Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:29:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Mark - things are going fine - been a long winter, Off duty officers in unmarked cruisers will rotate between these locations [from my experience most of these are dark gray ford crown vics - easily identifiable] but here's the kicker; they stop at 10pm, and do not operate on Sundays, so after that you were basically all set. There were plans last fall to begin using the permanent-type toaster oven sized cameras mounted in fixed locations, and this may well be what snagged Fish here, as I don't think it would be too easy to position a cruiser on 295, or in the tunnels. These would unfortunately not cease operation at 10pm :( anyway, here's a quote from a MPD Traffic Division release: "To maximize the program's flexibility and impact, the Metropolitan Police Department is using both fixed-location cameras and mobile photo radar units." In other countries [UK for example] they will set up the housing boxes for cameras at all listed locations, and then rotate the actual photo-radar units between these boxes, supposedly increasing the 'visual deterrence' factor. _____________________ Euan efisk@XXXXXX '90 EX500 [trashed - temporarily] '76 KZ400 [yep Glenn, still running strong] -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:36 AM To: Fisk, Euan; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Cc: 'fish@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket Euan! Low time no see. Hows it going? Ok, I checked out this list. Do ALL of these locations have cameras? I thought the cameras were in cars, while the Red-light cameras were permanent? Can you see the car parked as you go by or have they mounted the speed cameras on poles too. I am most interested in: 200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel 100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel Love to speed in tunnels..... Mark --- "Fisk, Euan" wrote: > DC's speeding cameras begin snapping your picture at > 11mph over the > limit, so it looks like you just lucked out and hit > the magic number. > Here's a handy list of locations of the photo-radar > cameras: > > http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/speedlocation_map.shtm > > and here's the map/list for red light cameras: > > http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/redlightloc.shtm > > and remember, if you wheelie past them they can't > see your plate. > -Euan > > [...] > >One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms > send tickets to people > >who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph? > And if so, does the > >fine vary? > > > >Fish. > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 11:36:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CGalO07773 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2CGakn01328 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:36:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2CGakd09924 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:36:46 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:36:46 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Automated Speeding Ticket In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Fisk, Euan wrote: > There were plans last fall to begin using the permanent-type toaster > oven sized cameras mounted in fixed locations, and this may well be > what snagged Fish here, as I don't think it would be too easy to > position a cruiser on 295, or in the tunnels. Actually, I suspect it was a cruiser. There's a very broad shoulder on southbound DC-295 between Pennsylvania Ave. and where it becomes I-295, and I know I've seen cruisers parked there before. I just figured they were doing standard pull-'em-over duty, though. Guess I was wrong. Sigh. Fish. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 12:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CHI0O08391 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:21:28 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B446@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'William J. Huson'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Compression gauge adapter Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:21:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Bill observed, "Dang. I thought all compression gauge sets came with both standard plug > sizes. Mine does and I think it's Craftsman. Has a quick connect like > air > compressor hoses for the two in the hole parts. > [Custer, Carl] Yup, the Sears device can fit 3 sizes: 18, 16, and 14 mm. Alas, my bikes take 12 mm plugs. Carl in Bethesda (contemplating whittling a 12 mm adapter or replacing the Sears gauge with a JC Whit.) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 12:32:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f86.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CHWvO08623 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:32:51 -0800 Received: from 68.48.87.207 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:32:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.87.207] From: "Rob Keiser" To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chatterbox questions Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:32:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2002 17:32:51.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF8CBC80:01C1C9EB] Hey Wayne. The best price I've seen on them is through Kiernan: http://catalog.kiernanracing.com/browseGroup.cfm?item_group_id=46028 I've checked MAW and AZM and Kevin has the best price so far. He even has a four pack deal that drops the price even further, and actually, a couple of us have been talking about getting them, too. Maybe a group buy could be in order. (did I just say that?) uh oh... ;) Now I just need to unload my Chatterbox 90 set up....offers anyone?? Rob '98 VFR800 From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Chatterbox questions Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:13:45 -0500 At 10:43 AM 3/11/02 -0500, JD wrote: >On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> Does anyone know if the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible? I have friends >> with the GMRSX1 and I'm considering purchasing the FRSX2 (I'm cheap). The >> X1 just seems to have more range than the X2. > >the GMRSX1 and FRSX2 are compatible on the first 7 channels. The biggest >differences are the GMRS units are 5 watts, vs. FRS at 0.5 watts. GMRS >requires a license $75/5 years I believe, and no test. Just fill out the >form and mail with a check. FRS is good for about 1/2-1 mile GMRS will do >closer to 3-5 miles. > >I've done a bunch of traveling recently with FRS in the car and had >numerous occasions where I could see another car ahead of me on the road >but could not talk to them. I'd save up the money and get the GMRS unit. > >-jd Thanks for the info, JD. I'll keep scraping up those pennies and get the GMRS. Now... who has the cheapest prices on the Chatterbox? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 13:03:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2CI3hO09096 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:03:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020312180342.36394.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:03:42 PST Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:03:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: Todd Withrow , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020311145927.67620.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > good luck trying to prove that a client of mine had > > the > > intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" a driver > > and > > his 3000+ pound vehicle while on his open-air > > 400-700lb > > defenseless motorcycle > > > > You know as well as I do, that you don't have to PROVE > anything, just make the jurors believe. There is a > difference. Besides, roll up next to a petit, shy > woman in a Geo Metro, shake your fist at her and tap > on her window a couple of times. Do you think she > could make a few jurors believe she was intimidated? > Hell, for that matter, I bet you could convince a few > jurors that revving the engine intimidated a driver. come on. i thought you were a police officer. if the charge requires a specific intent (which this new charge DOES), it requires the alleged perpetrator TO HAVE INTENDED the effect required under the statute. it makes no difference what effect was had on the "victim" if i can show that my client lacked this specific intent. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 13:57:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2CIvqO09960 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:57:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020312185747.52575.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:57:47 PST Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:57:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: braking thread To: "S. Moyer" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020311181721.71295.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "S. Moyer" wrote: > Long time lurker here. Still enjoying the front vs. rear > braking thread that Dysart > stared over a week ago now... wondering when it will > ever end. moyer finally comes out of hiding, eh? now if we could only flush out batson.... this thread (or a continued version of it) will never end.... unlees, of course, manufacturers start making linked brakes standard or rear brakes optional. > Guess the Mofos are best at avoiding the whole argument > in the first place - they just > don't use the brakes at all. incorrect. the group makes a habit of stopping once every ~100 miles. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 14:04:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CJ4EO10070 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-38.patriot.net [209.249.181.38]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CJ4C619284; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:04:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8E50C4.7399F069@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:02:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Compression gauge adapter References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B446@DCHQCLEXHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Custer, Carl wrote: > Bill observed, > "Dang. I thought all compression gauge sets came with both standard > plug > > sizes. Mine does and I think it's Craftsman. Has a quick connect like > > air > > compressor hoses for the two in the hole parts. > > > [Custer, Carl] > Yup, the Sears device can fit 3 sizes: 18, 16, and 14 mm. > Alas, my bikes take 12 mm plugs. > > Carl in Bethesda (contemplating whittling a 12 mm adapter or > replacing the Sears gauge with a JC Whit.) My error. Silly me, familiar with only two sizes - bigguns and littleuns. Might have something to do with my antiquated vee-hi-cal fleet. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 14:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CJA4O10199 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:11:31 -0500 Received: by hqex.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:10:42 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Front Brake Usage Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:09:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There's a pretty intelligent "street riding" book out called "Proficient Motorcycling" by David Hough. A good read for those off season nights when TV just doesn't cut it. Granted it is for street riding and he discusses front and rear braking and/or stopping techniques. Over a period of more than 25 years, David Hough has written the column "Proficient Motorcycling," first for Road Rider magazine and then for its successor, Motorcycle Consumer News. During that time, he has covered hundreds of topics relating to the skills needed for riding motorcycles safely on the streets. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 14:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CJC4O10291 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:15:33 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B44A@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'William J. Huson'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Compression gauge adapter Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:15:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain > > [Custer, Carl] > > Yup, the Sears device can fit 3 sizes: 18, 16, and 14 mm. > > Alas, my bikes take 12 mm plugs. Hudson confessed, "My error. Silly me, familiar with only two sizes - bigguns and littleuns. > Might have something to do with my antiquated vee-hi-cal fleet." > Personally, I think it's because you drive around on unbalanced tires. :^> Carl in Bethesda (balanced tires, uses rear brake frequently, . . .) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 14:15:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CJFUO10370 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-38.patriot.net [209.249.181.38]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CJFS623332; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:15:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8E5368.376661F4@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:13:44 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Compression gauge adapter References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B44A@DCHQCLEXHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Custer, Carl wrote: > > > [Custer, Carl] > > > Yup, the Sears device can fit 3 sizes: 18, 16, and 14 mm. > > > Alas, my bikes take 12 mm plugs. > Hudson confessed, "My error. Silly me, familiar with only two sizes > - bigguns and littleuns. > > Might have something to do with my antiquated vee-hi-cal fleet." > > > Personally, I think it's because you drive around on unbalanced > tires. :^> > > Carl in Bethesda (balanced tires, uses rear brake frequently, . . .) Nah, probably `cause I use dyno oil & regular gas. You're supposed to balance tires? From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 14:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hosting-network.com (NODE1.HOSTING-NETWORK.COM [64.38.127.1] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2CJOUO10499 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14392 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 19:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (170.252.3.2) by node-66.hosting-network.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 19:27:57 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020312142005.020426c8@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:25:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vFR List From: Justin Lemrow Subject: FS Throttlemeister (VFR 800) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed All, up for sale is my throttlemeister. It was fitted on a 1999 VFR 800. The unit is in fine working condition. There is one scratch (~.5") on the right bar end where i dropped it. If you position it right you'll never see it. It does not affect functionality. It's a great looking system and works well, but i've only used it twice. ;) First $75 takes it away, US shipping included. Ride Safe, Justin 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 14:33:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CJXHO10646 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g2CJXBJZ022373 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GSVKZA00.KSQ for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:33:10 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GSVKZ900.15H for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:33:09 -0800 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:33:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Someone lend me $20,000? From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1810545521&r= 0&t=0 All together now: Yummmmmmmm Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 14:40:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CJe6O10745 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g2CJe5th018820 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GSVLAS00.2MB for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:40:04 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GSVLAR00.H5U for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:40:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:40:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Lookie what Coleman Powersucks has.... From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1811678959&r= 0&t=0 I might just have to make the sacrifice and walk in there..... ::shudder:: Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 15:06:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13901.mail.yahoo.com (web13901.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2CK6fO11201 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:06:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020312200639.96807.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:06:39 PST Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:06:39 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Lookie what Coleman Powersucks has.... To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They have one at MotoEuropa in Richmond. Along with people who know what they are talking about, and a bunch of other cool Ducati bikes. Isn't a trip to Richmond better than going to Poserride? Keith --- Sean Jordan wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1811678959&r= > 0&t=0 > > I might just have to make the sacrifice and walk in > there..... > ::shudder:: > > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 15:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10508.mail.yahoo.com (web10508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2CK7RO11211 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:07:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020312200726.66850.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.9.205] by web10508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:07:26 PST Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: Tom Gimer , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020312180342.36394.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > good luck trying to prove that a client of mine > had > > > the > > > intent to "harass, intimidate, or obstruct" a > driver > > > and > > > his 3000+ pound vehicle while on his open-air > > > 400-700lb > > > defenseless motorcycle > > > > > > > You know as well as I do, that you don't have to > PROVE > > anything, just make the jurors believe. There is a > > difference. Besides, roll up next to a petit, shy > > woman in a Geo Metro, shake your fist at her and > tap > > on her window a couple of times. Do you think she > > could make a few jurors believe she was > intimidated? > > Hell, for that matter, I bet you could convince a > few > > jurors that revving the engine intimidated a > driver. > > come on. i thought you were a police officer. > > if the charge requires a specific intent (which this > new > charge DOES), it requires the alleged perpetrator TO > HAVE > INTENDED the effect required under the statute. > > it makes no difference what effect was had on the > "victim" > if i can show that my client lacked this specific > intent. > > > -- > tg > I took your statement to mean that a rider CANNOT harass a cage. Many criminal charges require intent to be "proven". Is it ever really proven? Or are the requisite number of jurors simply pursuaded to believe? Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 15:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CKAXO11226 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GSV00001MO0WR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:09:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GSV00MC2MO05M@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:09:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSV00201MN83S@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:09:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GSV00NENMN23R@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:09:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:09:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Compression gauge adapter To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Message-id: <3C8E6064.7DD8223A@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B44A@DCHQCLEXHQ> <3C8E5368.376661F4@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > > You're supposed to balance tires? I have no problems balancing when I'm moving. Maybe Carl is talking about keeping your feet up at a stop sign or something? :) Hork, unbalanced -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 15:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2CKPRO11503 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:25:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020312202526.81473.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.9.205] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:25:26 PST Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:25:26 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: Tom Gimer , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020312180342.36394.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > it makes no difference what effect was had on the > "victim" > if i can show that my client lacked this specific > intent. > > Oh yeah, it DOES matter what the effect was. I punch you in the jaw once and you laugh at me = simple assault (class 1 misdemeanor) I punch you in the jaw once and your jaw shatters = malicious wounding (class 3 felony) I punch you in the jaw and you fall back breaking your neck and die = murder (class 2 felony) ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 15:28:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2CKShO11589 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:28:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020312202841.10716.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:28:41 PST Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:28:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: Todd Withrow , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020312202526.81473.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > > it makes no difference what effect was had on the > > "victim" > > if i can show that my client lacked this specific > > intent. > > > > > > Oh yeah, it DOES matter what the effect was. > > I punch you in the jaw once and you laugh at me = > simple assault (class 1 misdemeanor) > > I punch you in the jaw once and your jaw shatters = > malicious wounding (class 3 felony) > > I punch you in the jaw and you fall back breaking your > neck and die = murder (class 2 felony) no offense, todd (tip of the day: don't offend teh police), but what does this have to do with specific intent in general and teh new virginia law in particular? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 16:05:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CL5rO12330 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:09:16 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B452@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "William J. Huson" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Compression gauge adapter Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:09:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Hork replying to Bill's > > You're supposed to balance tires? Observed, "I have no problems balancing when I'm moving. Maybe > Carl is talking about keeping your feet up at a stop sign > or something? :) [Custer, Carl] Yup, if you drive on unbalanced wheels, don't use premium gasoline, and use yer front brake, it'll make you go over the handle bars. That's not a problem unless yer werin a hel-mut. If yer werin a hel-mut, it'll brek yer nek no hemmut is O.K. cuz you'll roll to safety. a beanie is O.K too -- unless it has a DOT stikker -- then yewll scratch yer elbows -- unless yer werin' a kewl bandanana. Dyno oil is kewl too. But you can make yer own sinthetic oil by frying a turkey and filtering the oil thru a roll of tolit paper. I just red this in the innernet so it must be true. Wow, now I feel lak riting a regultshun. Picking the Ceptor to ride on a rainy day is beginning to seem reasonable. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 16:16:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CLGZO12518 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GSV00E01PR4JA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:16:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GSV00E0BPR4J2@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:16:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSV00301PR3FY@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:16:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GSV001CVPQMR1@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:15:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:16:03 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Compression gauge adapter To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "William J. Huson" , "'DCCycles'" Message-id: <3C8E7013.F2AB3C4D@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B452@DCHQCLEXHQ> "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > Yup, if you drive on unbalanced wheels, don't use premium gasoline, > and use yer front brake, it'll make you go over the handle bars. Whew, I'm glad the Connie has clipons, then. I'm safe. :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 17:23:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CMNmO13736 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-20-107.s107.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.20.107] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kugM-000550-00; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:23:47 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Braking (motorcycles) --> SPORTBIKES -- MSF bashing Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:27:51 -0500 Message-ID: References: <9ndo8usvh5bdr77g1ta0ll1lj0f55li5al@4ax.com> <00b601c1c910$623e6300$bb82fea9@palladio1> <007101c1c923$315e8180$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <007101c1c923$315e8180$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2CMO7O13737 On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:35:09 -0500, you wrote: |>Well for starters you questioned the riding skills of hundreds of people |>you've never met and implied we're all idiots, don't know anything about |>sport riding, etc., for following the curriculum that's been vetted through implied.. implied.. implied.. First, nothing is wrong with questioning riding skills. Nothing is wrong with questioning period. hell it made socrates famous. We should also, especially, question your interpretations of my posts. Second as far as implied.. I welcome you to show me, quote me, where I implied anyone is an idiot. I feel no need to say in a round about way someone is an idiot. If I felt someone was an idiot, I'd say it. What are they going to do, punch me through the computer? Punch me in person? form a lynch mob and hang me? I dont' think so. Name calling isn't too much in my character, nor is implying things. Implications are so subjective. I try to mean what I say, and say what I mean, and not say mean things |>many years of experience. Is what MSF teaches perfect and above reproach, |>of course not, but it's a damn sight better than anything else for rank |>newbies or some of the "conventional wisdom" you hear. I don't think anyone has said anything contrary to that. That is still not to say MSF is God or unquestionable. Hell further questioning helps one learn. Any time someone tells you end result data, but not the underlying work to get to that data, question it. If you don't want to, then listen to me because i'm telling you my case studies tell you I'm correct 92% of the time . Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 17:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CMOVO13766 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-20-107.s107.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.20.107] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kuh4-0005DQ-00; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:24:30 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "S. Moyer" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: braking thread Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: <280t8u4q6hmbt80i60nqhmg9k2vlpavmkc@4ax.com> References: <20020311181721.71295.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020311181721.71295.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2CMOVO13767 |>Guess the Mofos are best at avoiding the whole argument in the first place - they just |>don't use the brakes at all. Who needs brakes? they slow you down! From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 17:26:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CMQxO13784 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-20-107.s107.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.20.107] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kujS-0005ep-00; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:26:58 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Fitzpatrick Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm back - got a question Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:31:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20020311.211241.-644313.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20020311.211241.-644313.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2CMR0O13785 On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:12:36 -0500, you wrote: |>Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering. What are the |>merits of using the rear brake when braking? Has this ever been |>discussed before? |> |>Thanks! ROTFL From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 17:45:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CMjnO14250 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-20-107.s107.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.20.107] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kv1g-0001Mz-00; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:45:49 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:49:54 -0500 Message-ID: <941t8u093epgqfh092r7qn9ob06nfjq2ps@4ax.com> References: <4pnp8ucafcn656pbhoaaisbd9qeqlkhsvv@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2CMjpO14251 |>responsible for it. It wasn't stolen, which means either that I was |>piloting the damn thing at the time, or that I'd entrusted it to someone |>else. Either way, it's my problem. If it were someone else driving, I |>might be interested in pursuing them for money to pay the fine, but that's |>my affair. The only problem with that is it's second hand justice. If you loan someone something with 100% legal intentions/knowledge, you shouldn't be penalized as the guilty driver. If they robbed a bank, would you think you should be punished, and then have that person owe you? Plus you shoudn't have to go through all the hassle of persuing someone for money. If you were nice enough to loan someone your car, you shoudln't have to be forced into loaning them ticket money. If they want to develop super technology, let them do a better job and photograph the driver too. Either the driver is soley responsible or he isn't..unless he told you what he was planning on breaking laws. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 17:46:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CMkFO14260 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-20-107.s107.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.20.107] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kv26-0001Rf-00; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:46:14 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:50:20 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3C8CFAB6.88369F19@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3C8CFAB6.88369F19@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2CMkGO14261 On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:43:02 -0500, you wrote: |>Fish Flowers wrote: |>> |>> Fish. |>> founder, society for vigilante destruction of red light cameras |>> |>> ... and yes, that's a joke |> |>No, it's not. Where do I join? :) Hmmm is this a heineken commercial? :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 17:49:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CMnHO14300 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-20-107.s107.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.20.107] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kv52-00020z-00; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:49:16 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Fisk, Euan" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:53:22 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2CMnIO14301 "hmm if we tweaked the camera to get 1... 2 mph's lower we could make X more millions of dollars in revenue"... mmm nah.. they would never do that ! :) On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:53:33 -0500, you wrote: |>DC's speeding cameras begin snapping your picture at 11mph over the |>limit, so it looks like you just lucked out and hit the magic number. |>Here's a handy list of locations of the photo-radar cameras: |> |>http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/speedlocation_map.shtm |> |>and here's the map/list for red light cameras: |> |>http://mpdc.dc.gov/info/traffic/redlightloc.shtm |> |>and remember, if you wheelie past them they can't see your plate. |>-Euan |> |>[...] |>>One wonders if these automatic ticketing mechanisms send tickets to people |>>who were going 8 mph above the limit? 4 mph? 2 mph? And if so, does the |>>fine vary? |>> |>>Fish. |> |> |> From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 17:57:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2CMvFO14510 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-20-107.s107.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.20.107] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16kvCj-0003Y8-00; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:57:14 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Fisk, Euan" Cc: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Automated Speeding Ticket Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:01:19 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2CMvHO14511 |>Off duty officers in unmarked cruisers will rotate between Off duty? So they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts for a slower roadway? or "over time paid" officers? Or subcontracted? I have an officer friend who has done that type of work. I'll ask him that, and to remind me of the figures he quoted. He told me the other day " I can snap X pictures in X hours". (it was a lot. He might have told me the amount of money it sums up to too.. but alas i forgot. i'll ask again.) He also claimed something like he has gotten or will recieve oral sex at the same time. THat would be funny as hell to catch a radar camera cop on camera breaking the law. That would be a HELLarious stroke of irony. I wonder how much money such a tape would be worth to the press... hmmm... Remidns me of the news stories on inside edition where they video tape judges speeding then confront them. Teehhee. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 12 21:26:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-4.cais.net (stmpy-4.cais.net [205.252.14.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2D2QBO18004 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (ppp27.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.27]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g2D2Q9T87961 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:26:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005a01c1ca35$f1c547c0$1b3dfccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: More Gotcha places Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:22:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Adding to recently observed radars -- o Rock Creek Parkway southbound leaving the Kennedy Center overhang -- shadowed radar pointing north from under the Roosevelt Bridge overpass, with plenty transgressor pullover space by the scenic Potomac in view of the Lincoln Memorial. My stealth cloak must have been working. o Again, RCP. Northbound, Beach Drive, north of Park Police station just past Military Road overpass. (Again, stealth?. The story: Daylight, I'm following small car. We take off from Joyce Road intersection at leisurely pace, me 4-5 lengths behind. Police in plain view. Pass him at about 40 (posted 25) as he points gun at our back. I slow just slightly. 2-3 seconds later, he follows, passes (whew), lights up, pulls over small car. I should have stopped at the nice policeman and thanked him for ignoring me . . ..) I know, I know. Pretty tame. But if these tips save someone a few hundred dollars insurance -- Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Anchor on order to replace front-back brake headaches. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 08:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DDl7O28452 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.231.47.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([209.244.231.47] helo=michael) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16l95i-0003ms-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 05:46:54 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01c1ca95$897ea200$66defea9@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: Subject: Re: Someone lend me $20,000? Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:46:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Here's a REAL Ducati to lust after http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1810404104&r=0 &t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1016153667&indexURL=0&rd=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Jordan" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 14:33 Subject: Someone lend me $20,000? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1810545521&r= > 0&t=0 > > All together now: > > > Yummmmmmmm > > > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 09:20:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out019.verizon.net (out019pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DEK6O29013 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from cypher ([141.156.240.237]) by out019.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020313142000.IMGY26581.out019.verizon.net@cypher> for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:20:00 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: Subject: RE: Someone lend me $20,000? Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:20:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c1ca9a$3224ee60$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hey- for $100, I'll autograph anyone's Honda... (I'll make the comma real small...) Curtis, Robert(s) -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 14:33 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Someone lend me $20,000? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1810545521 &r= 0&t=0 All together now: Yummmmmmmm Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 09:22:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DEMmO29033 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BML9Q1>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:22:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: More Gotcha places Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:22:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" www.speedtrap.com is a useful website with similar info. -----Original Message----- From: mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:22 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: More Gotcha places o Rock Creek Parkway southbound leaving the Kennedy Center overhang -- shadowed radar pointing north from under the Roosevelt Bridge overpass, with plenty transgressor pullover space by the scenic Potomac in view of the Lincoln Memorial. My stealth cloak must have been working. o Again, RCP. Northbound, Beach Drive, north of Park Police station just past Military Road overpass. (Again, stealth?. The story: Daylight, I'm following small car. We take off from Joyce Road intersection at leisurely pace, me 4-5 lengths behind. Police in plain view. Pass him at about 40 (posted 25) as he points gun at our back. I slow just slightly. 2-3 seconds later, he follows, passes (whew), lights up, pulls over small car. I should have stopped at the nice policeman and thanked him for ignoring me . . ..) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 09:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DERuO29143 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cypher ([141.156.240.237]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020313142700.IFUT23259.out006.verizon.net@cypher> for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:27:00 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: Subject: Racers in Santa Barbara, CA? Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:28:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c1ca9b$49e6ab00$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <002a01c1ca95$897ea200$66defea9@michael> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Does anyone know any racers or hardcore sportbikers near Santa Barbara or Ventura, CA? I am heading out there in a few weeks for and need to find subjects for a video production... Thanks- Robby C From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 09:38:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h009.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2DEcFO29308 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 19624 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 06:38:09 -0800 Date: 13 Mar 2002 06:38:09 -0800 Message-ID: <20020313143809.19623.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Mar 2002 14:38:09 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Mar 2002 06:38:09 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rm.curtis@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: Racers in Santa Barbara, CA? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Wed, 13 March 2002, "Rob Curtis" wrote: > > Does anyone know any racers or hardcore sportbikers near Santa Barbara > or Ventura, CA? I am heading out there in a few weeks for and need to > find subjects for a video production... > Thanks- > Robby C For a small fee, I'll go out there with you and assist!!! :-) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 09:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001slb.verizon.net [206.46.170.13] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DEovO29528 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from cypher ([141.156.240.237]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020313145048.JCEX27556.out001.verizon.net@cypher>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:50:48 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" Cc: Subject: RE: Racers in Santa Barbara, CA? Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:51:06 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c1ca9e$81428b70$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <20020313143809.19623.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sorry Laura, I can't afford to offer you any money, but if any of the listers want to help out I will set up a fund. If you would like to donate to the "Take Laura out and shoot her" please notify me off-list to make arrangements. Best- Robby C -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 09:38 To: rm.curtis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Racers in Santa Barbara, CA? On Wed, 13 March 2002, "Rob Curtis" wrote: > > Does anyone know any racers or hardcore sportbikers near Santa Barbara > or Ventura, CA? I am heading out there in a few weeks for and need to > find subjects for a video production... > Thanks- > Robby C For a small fee, I'll go out there with you and assist!!! :-) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 09:58:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2DEwpO29623 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 12489 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 06:58:45 -0800 Date: 13 Mar 2002 06:58:45 -0800 Message-ID: <20020313145845.12488.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Mar 2002 14:58:45 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Mar 2002 06:58:45 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rm.curtis@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: RE: Racers in Santa Barbara, CA? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Wed, 13 March 2002, "Rob Curtis" wrote: > > Sorry Laura, I can't afford to offer you any money, what? no money? LMAO. I was joking about the "small fee" part... > but if any of the > listers want to help out I will set up a fund. If you would like to > donate to the "Take Laura out and shoot > her" please notify me off-list to make arrangements. > Best- > Robby C OK, listers...who's sending me to California to make DC Cycles famous? Come on...do it for the list? Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 10:05:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DF5DO29792 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GSX00A0137KF7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:04:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GSX008HB37KO5@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:04:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSX00701378VB@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:04:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSX0070H373QY@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:04:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:04:19 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: Chatterbox buy? To: robkeiser@XXXXXX, wayne@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <005e01c1caa0$5adac770$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Put me down for two units, if there is enough interest in a group buy. I would also appreciate some tips on what's the best setup to outfit two riders, two bikes, sometimes one bike/two-up. Thanks, Robert Robert Verde Worldcom Advisory Engineer V-Net:228-3544 DID:703-449-3544 E-mail: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 10:07:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DF7fO29823 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GSX003013BEJE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:06:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GSX001KZ3BEWV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:06:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSX009013B98Q@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:06:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSX004QC3B3CX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:06:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:06:44 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: Damp out there... To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <005f01c1caa0$b0c8eae0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Glad the weather is warming up, but the morning commute sure reminded me that I need to renew the Nikwax on my gloves! Stay dry out there... Robert Verde '83 Honda VF750F (RC-15) "BUDOKA" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 10:26:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [66.160.20.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DFQqO00230 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:26:44 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E5A6@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Damp out there... Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:26:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Me too!. My new MotoBoss jacket (the in-house version of Frank Thomas wear from CycleGear stores) didn't leak a drop but my Motoport Voyager pants leaked big time and my a** is STILL wet. :) The Olympia gloves repelled water about as well as a kitchen sponge. Cedric Ride with dark slacks Glad the weather is warming up, but the morning commute sure reminded me that I need to renew the Nikwax on my gloves! Stay dry out there... Robert Verde '83 Honda VF750F (RC-15) "BUDOKA" From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 12:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DHXKO02457 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w050 ([168.144.108.50]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:33:18 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Racers in Santa Barbara, CA? Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:33:39 -0500 To: "rm.curtis@XXXXXX" , "lgranato@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2002 17:33:18.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A41A100:01C1CAB5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2DHXVO02458 Oooooh... a gun thread! %^) Original Message: Sorry Laura, I can't afford to offer you any money, but if any of the listers want to help out I will set up a fund. If you would like to donate to the "Take Laura out and shoot her" please notify me off-list to make arrangements. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 12:59:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2DHxWO02907 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:59:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020313175929.42952.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:59:29 PST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:59:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I'm back - got a question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020311.211241.-644313.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii tom raises a good issue.... having not had the time to read the brake thread(s) in their entirety over the past couple weeks, it would be nice if someone put together a list of "highlights" or perhaps a rough summary of the debate, including the cast of characters and their respective positions. i'd rather not hit "delete" if there is any worthwhile reading. btw, was anyone told that they had their head up their ass or otherwise strongly insulted? thanks for any feedback. --- Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > Been gone for a couple of weeks, and I was wondering. > What are the > merits of using the rear brake when braking? Has this > ever been > discussed before? > > Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 13:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13003.mail.yahoo.com (web13003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2DIEWO03236 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:14:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020313181431.80135.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.101.175.2] by web13003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:14:31 PST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: Re: Motorcycle Registration in VA? To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rob@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If I am not mistaken the pink slip that you get is actually for an emissions test isn't it? I honestly don't remember ever getting anything but the sticker from a garage for the safety inspection... -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic -- When I bought my GS500 from Free State last year, two clerks at the Eisenhower Avenue DMV both required the pink inspection slip *before* issuing the title and registration. No emissions required, of course -- just the safety inspection. When I took the VA riding test a few months later, also at the Eisenhower DMV, they did not ask for either registration or inspection slip (good thing, since I've never remembered to put the inspection slip on the bike or in my wallet). Maybe it's left to the individual inspector's whim. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 13:27:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DIRrO03522 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w026.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.26]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:27:57 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: I'm back - got a question Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:27:47 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2002 18:27:57.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC9517F0:01C1CABC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2DIRwO03523 Tom, I'm sure insults were hurled -- intended or otherwise. And if it makes you feel any better: YOU have your head up your ass! %^) You just couldn't unsubscribe, could you??? %^) Chuck Original Message: btw, was anyone told that they had their head up their ass or otherwise strongly insulted? thanks for any feedback. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 13:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2DIfbO03715 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:41:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020313184134.50064.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:41:34 PST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Re: I'm back - got a question To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Tom, > > I'm sure insults were hurled -- intended or otherwise. now THIS is helpful. thanks for pointing me in the right direction, again. perhaps someone else will provide some meaningful feedback? > And if it makes you feel any better: YOU have your head > up your ass! %^) You just couldn't unsubscribe, could > you??? %^) thanks. yes, much better now. -- tg > Original Message: > > btw, was anyone told that they had their head up their > ass > or otherwise strongly insulted? thanks for any feedback. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 15:57:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f154.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DKvWO06311 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:45:36 -0800 Received: from 158.114.92.201 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:45:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [158.114.92.201] From: "Randy Moran" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The New Harley Commercial Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:45:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2002 20:45:36.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[07422BF0:01C1CAD0]

I'm no fan of H-D but the new commercial is a classic. I saw it during the coverage of the Valencia WSB round.

This old guy is out on his porch with his grandchildren gathered around. He's telling them how he used to ride a harley, and really getting into it--you know--talking about the wind in his hair and the roar of the motor, etc. He's fondling a little scale model of some kind of Harley, maybe it's one of the kids' toys or something. The kids are looking at him in awe.

One of them asks in amazement, "Grampa, you used to have a Harley!?"

His reverie is abruptly shattered. "No, I never did," he admits, dejectedly, "I spent the money on aluminum siding," he spits out, bitterly, as he gestures toward the house.

The kids look at him with a mixture of pity and disdain. One of them says quietly to her siblings, "Come on, let's go see what grandma is doing."

Awesome. Almost made me wanna buy a Harley. Then I realized that the sentiment applies to all bikes (and a lot of other things), really. We get old quickly, and nothing is quite as hollow-feeling as regret. Pure advertising genius, IMO.


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From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 16:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h009.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2DLAtO06513 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 5586 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 13:10:49 -0800 Date: 13 Mar 2002 13:10:49 -0800 Message-ID: <20020313211049.5585.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Mar 2002 21:10:49 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Mar 2002 13:10:49 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moran_randy@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Wed, 13 March 2002, "Randy Moran" wrote: >really. We get old quickly, and nothing is quite as >hollow-feeling as regret. That was deep, man! :) Very true, though. I must say, though, your description of the commercial was much better than the actual commercial. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 16:21:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DLLoO06773 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2DLLnn14017 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:21:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2DLLnu29886 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:21:49 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:21:49 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Freestate Cycle? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Any opinions on the general cluefulness of Freestate Cycle in Capitol Heights? I'm thinking of going by there and looking at Arai and Gericke stuff, and was wondering if I could trust them not to be as clueless as I am. Fish. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 16:59:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DLxXO07514 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GSX00B01MDHVM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GSX00B7HMDHFT@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSX00L01MD1DU@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GSX00IFVMCZZS@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:58:16 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial To: Randy Moran Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C8FCB78.E2F32B2B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Randy Moran wrote: > Awesome. Almost made me wanna buy a Harley. It made me laugh. The commercial suggests that people who have never been on a bike, or don't know anything about bikes, want a Harley. Those of us who know better have moved on to better stuff. :) Horkster -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 17:06:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (rly-ip02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.160]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DM6xO07694 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from logs-tm.proxy.aol.com (logs-tm.proxy.aol.com [152.163.197.5]) by rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id RAA18541 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.150.96.60] (AC96603C.ipt.aol.com [172.150.96.60]) by logs-tm.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DLux3477839 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:57:00 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020313181431.80135.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020313181431.80135.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:53:37 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: Motorcycle Registration in VA? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Apparently-From: ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX Pink slip is for safety... A printout is given from an emissions inspection. >If I am not mistaken the pink slip that you get is >actually for an emissions test isn't it? I honestly >don't remember ever getting anything but the sticker >from a garage for the safety inspection... -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 17:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h009.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2DMAlO07754 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 7880 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 14:10:41 -0800 Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:10:41 -0800 Message-ID: <20020313221041.7879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Mar 2002 22:10:41 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Mar 2002 14:10:41 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: moran_randy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Wed, 13 March 2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > The commercial suggests that people who have > never been on a bike, or don't know anything about bikes, want > a Harley. Those of us who know better have moved on to better > stuff. :) I don't agree with that (surprise! :-) I think Randy was right in saying it's the perfect marketing scheme. Everyone can relate to wanting to buy or own a bike and "look cool" which the kids were hoping he was, but turned out he wasn't...that's a great message to the general consumer... It isn't exactly intended for those of us who already ride. :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 17:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from FW2.dt.navy.mil (FW2.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DMHPO07931 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by FW2.dt.navy.mil; id RAA13117; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW2.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma012985; Wed, 13 Mar 02 17:21:39 -0500 Received: from NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA07722 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:16:53 -0500 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (NAVGW 2.5.1.16) with SMTP id M2002031317165307323 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:16:53 -0500 Message-ID: <030c01c1cadc$d08e7f20$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: References: <3C8FCB78.E2F32B2B@comcast.net> Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:17:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > It made me laugh. The commercial suggests that people who have > never been on a bike, or don't know anything about bikes, want > a Harley. Those of us who know better have moved on to better > stuff. :) I think the commercial may be spot on... Many times when people ask me what kind of bike I have, the response is something like: "What, you can't afford a Harley?" Now I own sport(y) bikes so this is really quite an inane comment. I have a feeling they would have said the same thing if I told them I rode a BMW or a Ducati. If they actually knew anything, they might have said "What, you can't afford an MV Agusta?" and this would make some sense, since I can't... But it does go to show that people over here associate motorcycles with Harley, and everything else is a compromise. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 17:20:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DMKoO08058 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GSX00501NBUTY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:19:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GSX001PPNBTJ1@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:19:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSX00801NBOKH@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:19:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GSX007BDNBER8@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:18:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:18:55 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: moran_randy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C8FD04F.48C39820@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020313221041.7879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > It isn't exactly intended for those of us who already ride. And that, in a nutshell, seems to be Harley's total design philosophy. It's not intended for those who actually ride. Lol! :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 17:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DMTlO08198 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-103-83.s337.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.103.83] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16lHFW-00071x-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: <02b301c1cade$5ef43e20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020313221041.7879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <3C8FD04F.48C39820@comcast.net> Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:28:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I really like the bit that the 'ole ball and chain made him buy aluminum siding instead of a bike. The ad leaves you with the feeling the poor guy's 'nads have been stored in a jar for about thirty years. Which reminds me of a funny web site -- http://www.unclemelon.com/carlist.html Uncle Melon's list of top ten cars for emasculated men. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > It isn't exactly intended for those of us who already ride. > > And that, in a nutshell, seems to be Harley's total design > philosophy. It's not intended for those who actually ride. Lol! :) > > Hork > -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 17:41:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DMfxO08425 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-221.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.221] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lHRQ-0007UL-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:41:52 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020313173844.00b069a0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:43:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Motorcycle Registration in VA? Cc: Jeremy Purdy In-Reply-To: <20020313181431.80135.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:14 PM 3/13/2002, Jeremy wrote: >If I am not mistaken the pink slip that you get is >actually for an emissions test isn't it? I honestly >don't remember ever getting anything but the sticker >from a garage for the safety inspection... No, I have the one from my Aprilia right in front of me. It is serial numbered, is entitled "Inspection Certification - Virginia State Police", has the checklist used for the safety inspection on the front, and on the rear says "This receipt should be kept in vehicle at all times while vehicle is being operated." -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 17:48:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DMmAO08584 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-221.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.221] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lHXU-0000az-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:48:08 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020313174435.00b1a6e0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:49:19 -0500 To: "Randy Moran" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:45 PM 3/13/2002, Randy Moran wrote: >I'm no fan of H-D but the new commercial is a classic. I saw it during the >coverage of the Valencia WSB round. Yep, it's good. But not only did you see it during both WSB races, you saw it about eight times, two of which, during the second race, were separated by about five seconds. Thank god for ReplayTV -- set it to record, wait until the show is half over, start watching while it's still recording, skip through all the commercials with the handy-dandy 30-second "jump" button, and the show still ends on time. Highly recommended. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 18:12:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DNC0O09004 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.100.2] ([216.174.54.200]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay7 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GSXPRT00.VCB for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:11:53 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:14:18 -0500 Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial From: Randy or Julie Moran To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020313174435.00b1a6e0@mail.9netave.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 3.13.2002 5:49 PM, Larry Larson at pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > At 03:45 PM 3/13/2002, Randy Moran wrote: > >> I'm no fan of H-D but the new commercial is a classic. I saw it during the >> coverage of the Valencia WSB round. > > Yep, it's good. But not only did you see it during both WSB races, you saw > it about eight times, two of which, during the second race, were separated > by about five seconds. > Yeah, Larry, I'm with you on the repetition deal. It's always been that way with MC commercials though; they only buy time during shows that only motorcyclists watch and they play the same commercial a million times. There's a certain amount of logic to that approach, obviously. If I were H-D, though, I'd be advertising during mainstream programming, especially with a commercial like the one in question. For me, it quite effectively seemed to address a universal fear (that of not having done something you always wanted to, and it being too late). It's exactly the kind of thing that I think could sell a lot of bikes for HD. I actually wish an organization like the AMA had developed the ad. Replace "Harley" with "motorcycle" and you've got yourself a nice shot at getting some people off the porch and on bikes, maybe. RPM From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 18:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2DNL9O09239 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-221.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.221] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lI3K-0006F2-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:21:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020313182053.00b1ffd0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:22:13 -0500 To: Randy or Julie Moran , From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020313174435.00b1a6e0@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:14 PM 3/13/2002, Randy or Julie Moran wrote: >.... If I were >H-D, though, I'd be advertising during mainstream programming, especially >with a commercial like the one in question. TI think they have been -- my SO had already seen the ad on other channels before last night. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 18:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13509.mail.yahoo.com (web13509.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2DNMTO09259 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:22:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020313232229.9550.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.142.50.224] by web13509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:22:29 PST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:22:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: Freestate Cycle? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It depends on who you get at the counter. They have some young staff there and not all of them are as helpful as you'd like. You could get lucky, tho. In general, I've been satisfied with the level of service there. For helmets (my last 2) I've gone to The Motorcycle Shop (or some name like that) in College Park on Rt 1 just inside the beltway. Eric '94 KLR650 --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Any opinions on the general cluefulness of Freestate Cycle in Capitol > Heights? I'm thinking of going by there and looking at Arai and > Gericke > stuff, and was wondering if I could trust them not to be as clueless > as I > am. > > Fish. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 19:17:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from 2kemail.k-kdom.nishanet.com ([63.168.126.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2E0H5O10389 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from brownleeb.nishanet.com (unverified [204.94.239.173]) by 2kemail.k-kdom.nishanet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:14:00 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20020313191504.00aa4d68@63.168.126.2> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:18:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/13/02 In-Reply-To: <200203140000.g2E001t09941@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 3/13/2002 -0500, 'The Horkster' wrote: >And that, in a nutshell, seems to be Harley's total design >philosophy. It's not intended for those who actually ride. Lol! :) any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020! god only knows HOW you manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride the rally...... :-)~~~~ Bruce '95 FLHTC - 2.99 times SaddleSore Award (and then some).... From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 20:10:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2E1AeO11211 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-20.patriot.net [209.249.181.20]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2E1Aa618945; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8FF826.CC13B937@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:08:54 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Purdy CC: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rob@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Registration in VA? References: <20020313181431.80135.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, you get a pink slip for safety inspection with all the stuff the inspector didn't look at checked off. That's for a "nice bike" inspection. Jeremy Purdy wrote: > If I am not mistaken the pink slip that you get is > actually for an emissions test isn't it? I honestly > don't remember ever getting anything but the sticker > from a garage for the safety inspection... > > -- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic > > -- > When I bought my GS500 from Free State last year, two > clerks at the > Eisenhower Avenue DMV both required the pink > inspection slip *before* > issuing the title and registration. No emissions > required, of course -- > just > the safety inspection. > > When I took the VA riding test a few months later, > also at the > Eisenhower > DMV, they did not ask for either registration or > inspection slip (good > thing, > since I've never remembered to put the inspection slip > on the bike or > in my > wallet). > > Maybe it's left to the individual inspector's whim. > > -- Larry > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 20:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ip01.mx.aol.com (rly-ip01.mx.aol.com [205.188.156.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2E1HFO11371 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from logs-wf.proxy.aol.com (logs-wf.proxy.aol.com [205.188.195.132]) by rly-ip01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA04674 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.142.101.40] (AC8E6528.ipt.aol.com [172.142.101.40]) by logs-wf.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2E18c6458506 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:08:38 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dchamowitz@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:08:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Chamowitz Subject: new owner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Apparently-From: Uvabridge@XXXXXX Hi there, I recently took possession of a 1985 Yamaha XJ700 Maxim, my first bike. I've been working with varying success to get it running, though am hampered by the fact that I don't know anything about this particular bike's history. Do the members of this list ever get together for carb clinics or anything? If there's not much focus on do-it-yourself mechanics, does anyone have a garage they recommend? In addition, does anyone know where to buy SeaFoam fuel system cleaner locally? I've heard a number of people swear by it. I'm glad to be aboard! Thanks, --Dave Chamowitz 1985 Yamaha XJ700 Maxim From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 20:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2E1J1O11411 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp761865pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net [68.48.192.112]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSX00JMAVNHUO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:18:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:15:53 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/13/02 To: Bruce Brownlee Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C8FF9C9.44F178C3@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.0.2.1.1.20020313191504.00aa4d68@63.168.126.2> Bruce Brownlee wrote: > > any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged > bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020! god only knows HOW you > manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride the rally...... I rode! I made it to every check point. On time, even. I even did a bonus location or two. And I guarantee Tracy and I did more "scoring" during that rally than anyone who finished ahead of us . Breakfast with the Rallybubbas after y'all left in the rain was a hoot, too. > '95 FLHTC - 2.99 times SaddleSore Award (and then some).... 2.99 times? Hork (finished last, but had the most fun) -- Same old Hork, but new email: horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 21:45:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2E2jiO12859 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p59.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.187]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2E2jegi004638; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:45:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'David Chamowitz'" , Subject: RE: new owner Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c1cb02$7669c1a0$bb81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Hi there, I recently took possession of a 1985 Yamaha XJ700 Maxim, my first bike. Cool, welcome... I've been working with varying success to get it running, though am hampered by the fact that I don't know anything about this particular bike's history. Do the members of this list ever get together for carb clinics or anything? Periodically... not with regularity. What seems to be the problem ? If there's not much focus on do-it-yourself mechanics, does anyone have a garage they recommend? I've had good luck at Fast Lane in Chantilly & Clinton Cycles in Ft. Wash. MD... HTH Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 13 21:55:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2E2sxO12995 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (01-090.068.popsite.net [64.24.81.90]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CB7C2365F0A; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:53:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001201c1cb03$e022c500$5a511840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Someone lend me $20,000? Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:56:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sean J wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1810545521&r= 0&t=0 All together now: Yummmmmmmm Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing I need a cigarette... And $20,001.00, apparently. :-P And I need to lose about 120 lbs. and shrink 1 foot. Then life'd be purr-fect... 2 miles. Can you believe that? That's criminal. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (Terminally For Sale) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 08:33:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13001.mail.yahoo.com (web13001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EDXZO22933 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:33:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314133334.92263.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.119.84] by web13001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 05:33:34 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 05:33:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: HD ad, MD2020 To: Dale Horstman , Bruce Brownlee Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C8FF9C9.44F178C3@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Bruce Brownlee wrote: > > > > any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged > > bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020! god only knows HOW you > > manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride the rally...... > > I rode! I made it to every check point. As a Rallybubba, I can confirm that Dale rode the rally. Not competitively, but he seemed to be having the most fun! > On time, even. I even did a bonus location or two. And I guarantee > Tracy and I did more "scoring" during that rally than anyone who finished > ahead of us . I think that falls under the "Too Much Information" section. > Breakfast with the Rallybubbas after y'all left in the rain > was a hoot, too. Heck, I didn't even know the secret to Racer X before that breakfast (although I was highly suspicious). That was a fun time! Hey Bruce... I see Dale's name signed up for the 2002 MD 20-20... but I don't see yours. Join Dale and the other DC-Cycles folks. Information is at http://www.masondixon20-20.org/. We've been working hard at it and I think this years will be very enjoyable! (and no, we won't be having 400 bonus locations!!) Louis, MD 2020 RallyBubba ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 09:40:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EEe6O24001 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:40:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314144004.4218.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:40:04 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:40:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Was MD2020, now any local Endurance Ride To: "Louis F. Caplan" , Dale Horstman , Bruce Brownlee Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020314133334.92263.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 hour rides. This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my taste. What ever happened to that local 1000 mile ride? I signed up two years ago but it went belly-up. MArk --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > Bruce Brownlee wrote: > > > > > > any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been > nursing a damaged > > > bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020! god only > knows HOW you > > > manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride > the rally...... > > > > I rode! I made it to every check point. > > As a Rallybubba, I can confirm that Dale rode the > rally. Not competitively, > but he seemed to be having the most fun! > > > On time, even. I even did a bonus location or > two. And I guarantee > > Tracy and I did more "scoring" during that rally > than anyone who finished > > ahead of us . > > I think that falls under the "Too Much Information" > section. > > > Breakfast with the Rallybubbas after y'all left in > the rain > > was a hoot, too. > > Heck, I didn't even know the secret to Racer X > before that breakfast (although > I was highly suspicious). That was a fun time! > > Hey Bruce... I see Dale's name signed up for the > 2002 MD 20-20... but I don't > see yours. Join Dale and the other DC-Cycles folks. > Information is at > http://www.masondixon20-20.org/. We've been working > hard at it and I think > this years will be very enjoyable! (and no, we > won't be having 400 bonus > locations!!) > > Louis, MD 2020 RallyBubba > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Fairfax, VA > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > > Home Page: > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 09:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13606.mail.yahoo.com (web13606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EEqMO24257 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:52:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314145220.28137.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.10.248.51] by web13606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:52:20 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Sanjour Subject: Re: Freestate Cycle? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020313232229.9550.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree with Eric on both the shop in College Park and Freestate. The bike shop in College Park goes by several names, but the one I remember is The Dirt Shop. They're on US 1, just south of the Beltway. Very friendly and very knowledgeable. Joe '99 SV650 --- "Eric M. Winslow" wrote: > It depends on who you get at the counter. They have > some young staff > there and not all of them are as helpful as you'd > like. You could get > lucky, tho. In general, I've been satisfied with the > level of service > there. > > For helmets (my last 2) I've gone to The Motorcycle > Shop (or some name > like that) in College Park on Rt 1 just inside the > beltway. > > Eric > '94 KLR650 > > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > Any opinions on the general cluefulness of > Freestate Cycle in Capitol > > Heights? I'm thinking of going by there and > looking at Arai and > > Gericke > > stuff, and was wondering if I could trust them not > to be as clueless > > as I > > am. > > > > Fish. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free > email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 09:56:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EEuqO24280 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g2EEtob03604 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:55:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:55:50 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was MD2020, now any local Endurance Ride In-Reply-To: <20020314144004.4218.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can do a Saddle Sore 1000 during the MD20-20. If I do the rally this year I plan on doing a Saddle Sore on my DR650. Hugh On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 hour > rides. This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my taste. > > What ever happened to that local 1000 mile ride? I > signed up two years ago but it went belly-up. > > MArk > > --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Bruce Brownlee wrote: > > > > > > > > any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been > > nursing a damaged > > > > bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020! god only > > knows HOW you > > > > manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride > > the rally...... > > > > > > I rode! I made it to every check point. > > > > As a Rallybubba, I can confirm that Dale rode the > > rally. Not competitively, > > but he seemed to be having the most fun! > > > > > On time, even. I even did a bonus location or > > two. And I guarantee > > > Tracy and I did more "scoring" during that rally > > than anyone who finished > > > ahead of us . > > > > I think that falls under the "Too Much Information" > > section. > > > > > Breakfast with the Rallybubbas after y'all left in > > the rain > > > was a hoot, too. > > > > Heck, I didn't even know the secret to Racer X > > before that breakfast (although > > I was highly suspicious). That was a fun time! > > > > Hey Bruce... I see Dale's name signed up for the > > 2002 MD 20-20... but I don't > > see yours. Join Dale and the other DC-Cycles folks. > > Information is at > > http://www.masondixon20-20.org/. We've been working > > hard at it and I think > > this years will be very enjoyable! (and no, we > > won't be having 400 bonus > > locations!!) > > > > Louis, MD 2020 RallyBubba > > > > > > ===== > > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > > Fairfax, VA > > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > > > > Home Page: > > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > > http://sports.yahoo.com/ > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:09:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EF9NO24521 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:09:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314150922.26483.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:09:22 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:09:22 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: new owner To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi David, and welcome! If the bike has been sitting for a while (say 6 months or more) it will definitely need a carb rebuild. The first thing you do is go to a Yamaha dealer and order the factory service manual, they are usually no more than about $50. "Fiddling" with the carbs is the easiest way to mess things up worse then they were in the first place, and a really easy way to fall out of love with that first bike really quickly after you spend weeks chasing the same problem. The factory manual should have plenty of info on hunting down problems, and it will have detailed instructions with pictures on tearing the carbs apart, cleaning them, and most importantly getting them back together. Steve --- David Chamowitz wrote: > Hi there, > > I recently took possession of a 1985 Yamaha XJ700 > Maxim, my > first bike. I've been working with varying success > to get it > running, though am hampered by the fact that I don't > know anything > about this particular bike's history. Do the > members of this list > ever get together for carb clinics or anything? If > there's not much > focus on do-it-yourself mechanics, does anyone have > a garage they > recommend? In addition, does anyone know where to > buy SeaFoam fuel > system cleaner locally? I've heard a number of > people swear by it. > > I'm glad to be aboard! > > Thanks, > > --Dave Chamowitz > 1985 Yamaha XJ700 Maxim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:15:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EFFSO24684 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-098.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.98] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lWwv-0001nc-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:15:25 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020314101517.00b1eef8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:16:37 -0500 To: Fish Flowers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Freestate Cycle? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020313174940.00b0f4f0@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:06 AM 3/14/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Larry Larson wrote: > > > Nice but ignorant sales staff, nice but not-quite-as-ignorant parts > > people, and a big theft problem -- so the helmets are all high up on > > shelves behind the sales counter where you can't get at them. > >Too bad... I'm really just looking for competent sales people just >now. Ah, well. Thanks for responding! You're welcome. I'm afraid the only competent sales people I've met in the area are at Clinton Cycle and Bob's BMW. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:16:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f65.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EFGtO24705 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:05:38 -0800 Received: from 64.241.204.165 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:05:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.241.204.165] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Selling My 99 ZX9R Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:05:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2002 15:05:38.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[B37A8400:01C1CB69] I've made the painful decision to sell my beloved steed. After deciding that it'll be at least another year or two before I can "pleasure ride" due to the construction of my new recording studio and the clients already booked after completion, the bike's on the market. *Green/Purple all factory services performed on schedule *Anal about maintaining and cleaning/dusting *Never dropped *Tank bra *Custom Kawasaki Seat cover (looks like a continuation of the paint scheme) *BT56SS Front/rear *Scorpio alarm with pager *HJC Green/purple leather jacket included *HJC Green/purple Helmet included $7500.00 I'm gonna take it to Motorcycle Factory next week to sell on consignment so this would be a good week to respond if interested. Razz 99 ZX9R (for now) 89 LTD454 86 LTD454 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:20:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EFKZO24818 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BML0SH>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: new owners manual Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:20:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd recommend Ebay for the manual there's almost always one for my bike (Yamaha Seca II) on there, usually closer to $10. -----Original Message----- From: stephen cutchins [mailto:stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:09 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: new owner Hi David, and welcome! If the bike has been sitting for a while (say 6 months or more) it will definitely need a carb rebuild. The first thing you do is go to a Yamaha dealer and order the factory service manual, they are usually no more than about $50. "Fiddling" with the carbs is the easiest way to mess things up worse then they were in the first place, and a really easy way to fall out of love with that first bike really quickly after you spend weeks chasing the same problem. The factory manual should have plenty of info on hunting down problems, and it will have detailed instructions with pictures on tearing the carbs apart, cleaning them, and most importantly getting them back together. Steve --- David Chamowitz wrote: > Hi there, > > I recently took possession of a 1985 Yamaha XJ700 > Maxim, my > first bike. I've been working with varying success > to get it > running, though am hampered by the fact that I don't > know anything > about this particular bike's history. Do the > members of this list > ever get together for carb clinics or anything? If > there's not much > focus on do-it-yourself mechanics, does anyone have > a garage they > recommend? In addition, does anyone know where to > buy SeaFoam fuel > system cleaner locally? I've heard a number of > people swear by it. > > I'm glad to be aboard! > > Thanks, > > --Dave Chamowitz > 1985 Yamaha XJ700 Maxim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:21:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13001.mail.yahoo.com (web13001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EFLHO24838 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:21:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314152115.20188.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.119.84] by web13001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:21:15 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:21:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Was MD2020, now any local Endurance Ride To: Mark Kitchell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020314144004.4218.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 hour > rides. This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my taste. > > What ever happened to that local 1000 mile ride? I > signed up two years ago but it went belly-up. > > MArk If you are refering to the Capitol 1000, Larry Fears stopped running it a few years ago, and unfortunately passed away last year. (Checks for the last Capitol 1000 were never cashed). Rick Miller came up with the Mason Dixon 20-20, which was just a group Saddlesore. Todd Peer and I helped out the first year as route planners. (I came up with a 1000 mile route, Todd made it fun!) There will be several options offered in the MD-2020, including doing a Saddle Sore 1000. I'll e-mail the web-bubba about adding some language in to the webpage to that effect. Any other questions, feel free to let me know, on list or off. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com (web13808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EFXAO25060 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:33:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314153307.55546.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:33:07 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:33:07 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Was MD2020, now any local Endurance Ride To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020314152115.20188.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Louis. I will keep this on-list, as others may be interested. The 20-20 website is a little light on details. What exactly is it (20 states in 20 hours)? If you just want to do the SS1000, whats the process? Do you still hit 20 states? My goal is to do a SS1000. I do not have a laptop with fancy mapping software, etc. But I am pretty sure I (with VFR) can do the mileage and that would be fun. Thanks Mark --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 > hour > > rides. This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my > taste. > > > > What ever happened to that local 1000 mile ride? > I > > signed up two years ago but it went belly-up. > > > > MArk > > If you are refering to the Capitol 1000, Larry Fears > stopped running it a few > years ago, and unfortunately passed away last year. > (Checks for the last > Capitol 1000 were never cashed). Rick Miller came > up with the Mason Dixon > 20-20, which was just a group Saddlesore. Todd Peer > and I helped out the first > year as route planners. (I came up with a 1000 mile > route, Todd made it fun!) > > There will be several options offered in the > MD-2020, including doing a Saddle > Sore 1000. I'll e-mail the web-bubba about adding > some language in to the > webpage to that effect. > > Any other questions, feel free to let me know, on > list or off. > > Louis > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Fairfax, VA > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > > Home Page: > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EFc9O25164 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GSY00901ZENIG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:37:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GSY0088GZENHG@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:37:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GSY00K01ZED7N@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:37:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.38.62.100]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GSY00IAPZEBSU@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:37:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:37:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Was MD2020, now any local Endurance Ride To: Mark Kitchell Cc: "Louis F. Caplan" , Bruce Brownlee , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C90C3B7.521D16E8@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020314144004.4218.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 hour > rides. This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my taste. Mark, The nice thing about the MD2020 is you can make it whatever you want. They offered options for folks last year who just wanted to do their SaddleSore 1000s, and they could check out 24 hours into the rally. There was also an option for a BunBurnerGold (1500 miles in 24 hours) that one DC-cycles lurker, Dillon Dickson, completed on his Connie! Woohoo! And this rally can be anything you want to make of it. It's 36 hours long, but I have it on good authority that a sleepover bonus will be offered again this year, and will be worth too many points to pass up (a couple hardcore riders actually skipped the bonus last year and finished well). And you can finish early, if you so desire. I had a fairly competitive route worked up for last year, but changed plans at the last minute (the rainy weather might have had something to do with it) and just putted around from checkpoint to checkpoint with the wife. I had a lot of fun anyway. I'll have to come up with a new excuse if I goof off again this year. :) Horkster -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:46:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EFknO25348 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-47-232.s2010.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.232] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16lXRI-0001zm-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: <010601c1cb6f$8745ee00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020314152115.20188.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Was MD2020, now any local Endurance Ride Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:46:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Louis, a friend and I are considering earning our SS1K "wings" this Spring and this may be a good opportunity for us in a rally setting. How does the SS option work? Just collect the bonuses that comprise a 1,000-mile circuit and blow off the rest? I assume they are "easy" bonuses, gas receipt on major highways and the like so we won't run the risk of being time-barred. Is there a mandatory rest involved? Thanks, Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Was MD2020, now any local Endurance Ride > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I would love to try one of those 1000 miles in 24 hour > > rides. This 20-20 seems like a bit much for my taste. > > > > What ever happened to that local 1000 mile ride? I > > signed up two years ago but it went belly-up. > > > > MArk > > If you are refering to the Capitol 1000, Larry Fears stopped running it a few > years ago, and unfortunately passed away last year. (Checks for the last > Capitol 1000 were never cashed). Rick Miller came up with the Mason Dixon > 20-20, which was just a group Saddlesore. Todd Peer and I helped out the first > year as route planners. (I came up with a 1000 mile route, Todd made it fun!) > > There will be several options offered in the MD-2020, including doing a Saddle > Sore 1000. I'll e-mail the web-bubba about adding some language in to the > webpage to that effect. > > Any other questions, feel free to let me know, on list or off. > > Louis From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13004.mail.yahoo.com (web13004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EFrkO25453 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:53:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314155345.18901.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.119.84] by web13004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:53:45 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:53:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Was MD2020, now any local Endurance Ride To: Mark Kitchell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020314153307.55546.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Thanks Louis. I will keep this on-list, as others may > be interested. > > The 20-20 website is a little light on details. What > exactly is it (20 states in 20 hours)? If you just > want to do the SS1000, whats the process? Do you > still hit 20 states? Drawing on memory here, so I may not be 100% right, but the original thought when we first started was 20 bonus locations above the Mason Dixon line, and 20 below. Then one of the rallybubbas came up with the not-so-great idea of multiplying the 20's to get 400 locations. The screams of rally-goers are still echoing. Right now, as far as I know, it's just part of the name of the annual rally, Mason Dixon 20-20. DOA is this year's theme. There is no set number of states you have to hit. The rally boarder is defined on the web page as "Plan on a region bounded by Sault Ste Marie, ON to the North; Lubec, ME to the East; Jacksonville, FL to the South; and, the Mississippi River to the West." But there will also be separate groupings of bonus locations (pick your pleasure). > My goal is to do a SS1000. I do not have a laptop > with fancy mapping software, etc. But I am pretty > sure I (with VFR) can do the mileage and that would be > fun. By participating in the MD2020, you don't have to worry about the fancy mapping software. We'll provide the route for a SS1000 for those who only want to do that. You also don't have to worry about witnesses. Plus if you find others who just want to do the SS1000, you may want to ride in a group. > Thanks > > Mark Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:56:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EFu5O25480 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.188.4cedb22 (3996) for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <188.4cedb22.29c2220b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:55:55 EST Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/13/2002 3:59:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, moran_randy@XXXXXX writes: > We get old quickly, and nothing is quite as hollow-feeling as regret. Pure > advertising genius, IMO. Few things are as true. I do know an "old timer" who wound up getting a divorce, back when divorce was bad, because his mother in-law got pissed when he bought a new Harley instead of a washing machine. "I had a bike when I got married, I was always going to have a bike, my wife knew that." Best thing that ever happened to him. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 10:57:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EFvDO25562 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 7573 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 07:57:06 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 07:57:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 15:57:06 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 07:57:06 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: motorcycle opinion question Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it out. I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that used to be a wood working shop. Well, I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do? I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:00:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EG0nO25675 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (id213.megapipe.net [63.65.99.213]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00199 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:57:01 -0500 Message-ID: <011801c1cb71$7748fea0$a563413f@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:01:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 And a wood shop is not a fire hazard? ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" > Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it out. > > I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that used to be a wood working shop. Well, I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? > > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... > > If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do? I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic. > > LAG From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:15:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h009.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EGF1O26039 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 15567 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 08:14:51 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 08:14:51 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314161451.15566.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 16:14:51 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 08:14:51 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: bnorton@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, "Bruce Norton" wrote: > > And a wood shop is not a fire hazard? > > I'm not saying it's not...but it wasn't my house then. The previous owner had a wood shop. I use it as a storage room. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13906.mail.yahoo.com (web13906.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EGGMO26059 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:16:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314161621.40160.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:16:21 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The biggest hazard in my mind is the gas tank. If the bike is stored inside with the gas tank off and in an outside shed, than the hazard is less. Keith --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. > Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in > Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it > out. > > I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room > in my basement that used to be a wood working shop. > Well, I pop the doors to the room open and what do I > find? > > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot > this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze > and think "FIRE HAZARD!" > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil > everywhere... > > If you were me, would this piss you off and what > would you do? I've already decided what I'm gonna > do, but thought this might be a fun topic. > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:18:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGIDO26073 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:18:13 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZh6IllqXwnFUDkK2CT+WxkB1gL9hkHHIAjM4Pvyo+HiksU78xCH9pSasqJa4UjkyY= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16lXvh-0001Rh-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:18:13 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: motorcycle opinion question Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:16:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal What kind of bike? > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: motorcycle opinion question > > > Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. Right now I > have tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped > by last night to check it out. > > I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement > that used to be a wood working shop. Well, I pop the doors to > the room open and what do I find? > > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy was a > racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... > > If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do? > I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be > a fun topic. > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:19:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGJdO26103 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:19:39 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYm2tiDW/qAqGVjelQ/8b2hxeNqUVJP52OXZyaqF/bNOddBeha+iylYAzPLWOwQIRc= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16lXx4-0001mf-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:19:38 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: another m/c ad Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:18:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal http://www.chivinmoto.com/images/ot3140.mpeg I don't think this has been posted here before... --jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h012.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EGLVO26192 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 16547 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 08:21:24 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 08:21:24 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314162124.16546.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 16:21:24 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 08:21:24 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: RE: motorcycle opinion question X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, "Jon Strang" wrote: > > What kind of bike? > I didn't really look at it...I was dumbfounded...Jordan? What kind of bike was it? I just remember it was blue...and big...LOL L ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EGPkO26258 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:25:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314162545.9105.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:25:45 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:25:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. > Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in > Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it out. > > I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my > basement that used to be a wood working shop. Well, I > pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? > > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this > guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze and think > "FIRE HAZARD!" > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil > everywhere... > > If you were me, would this piss you off and what would > you do? I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but > thought this might be a fun topic. only YOU are allowed to destroy your home. i'd gut the bastard.... then i'd call my insurance agent to verify fire coverage -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:27:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGR1O26325 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2EGO4o36790 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:24:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314111147.04081a68@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:22:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial In-Reply-To: <188.4cedb22.29c2220b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:55 AM 3/14/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >"I had a bike when I got married, I was always going to have a bike, my wife >knew that." Gawd, I must have heard it a hundred times: "I'd love to ride, but my wife won't let me." I always look at such people like they're space aliens. :-) Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Just curious. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h012.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EGReO26342 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 16776 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 08:27:34 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 08:27:34 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314162734.16775.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 16:27:34 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 08:27:34 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: keithlva@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, Keith Lamond wrote: > > The biggest hazard in my mind is the gas tank. If the > bike is stored inside with the gas tank off and in an > outside shed, than the hazard is less. > > Keith > Gas tank still attached...no key to check if there was gas in it...but with the brain power these people have, I wouldn't doubt it. The basement is set up as an extra bedroom, and they tried to tell me nobody was living down there...um, yea, right... ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:28:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGS5O26363 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2EGRxQ16832; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:27:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:27:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200203141627.g2EGRxQ16832@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: motorcycle opinion question Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it out. Not violating their right to 'quiet enjoyment of the property', were you ? I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that used to be a wood working shop. Well, I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? Do tell... A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" If you can smell an odor of fuel ask yourself this - Does the house have (natural) Gas appliances? Does the house have an oil fired furnace ? Both are potential ignition sources ... If either of the above is true, you should've double tapped them in the chest, gone upstairs, gotten a kitchen knife & wrapped their cold dead fingers around it, torn your blouse / shirt, ruffled your hair a little & called the cops... If it's a heat pump, there's not *as much* a risk of ignition... There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... so.... maybe it's NOT so cool to have racer tenants... If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do? I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic. Yes and I'd ask them nicely to remove the bike from inside the house. Like it or not, when the tenant(s) leave, the permeating odor of gasoline is *NOT* a selling point for potential buyers... or future renters. Dave LAG -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:34:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGYHO26557 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:34:17 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbJ9sNAXcnsgonkH8RUmDd0WPuTjwauWJhvE/00h/ZPnRr/yYPr6T+12euG541nESY= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16lYBE-00057e-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:34:16 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Subject: RE: motorcycle opinion question Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:32:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal ..and of course, synthetic or dino? > -----Original Message----- > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:38:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGc0O26700 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.82.18ef525f (3996) for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:37:43 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <82.18ef525f.29c22bd7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:37:43 EST Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 3/14/2002 10:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? > > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy was a racer... > then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A garage under a townhouse? Just a question. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:39:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGdBO26748 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id n.92.22b17a0c (3976); Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:38:47 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <92.22b17a0c.29c22c17@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:38:47 EST Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_92.22b17a0c.29c22c17_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 --part1_92.22b17a0c.29c22c17_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/02 11:36:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > ..and of course, synthetic or dino? > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... That would be a major complaint for me. It's a fire hazard first....second it permanently defaces your property....and third....it's probably against the local fire code....at a guess. String the no-good motorcycle wanna-be up by their thumbs!!! :) --part1_92.22b17a0c.29c22c17_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/02 11:36:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes:


..and of course, synthetic or dino?

> -----Original Message-----
>
> There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere...


That would be a major complaint for me.  It's a fire hazard first....second it permanently defaces your property....and third....it's probably against the local fire code....at a guess.  String the no-good motorcycle wanna-be up by their thumbs!!!  :)
--part1_92.22b17a0c.29c22c17_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:44:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EGiBO26888 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 25728 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 08:44:05 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 08:44:04 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314164404.25727.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 16:44:04 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 08:44:04 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: re: motorcycle opinion question X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX OH MY GOD...has hell frozen over...Dave actually agrees with me????? :) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:45:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGj6O26963 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2EGj5n03115 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:45:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2EGj5C29943 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:45:05 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:45:05 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314111147.04081a68@mail.annapurna.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Rob Winters wrote: > Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Yes, actually. Most recently from a friend whose husband won't let her ride or (and this is the one which surprises me) get her nipple pierced. Fish. it takes all kinds From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:45:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13901.mail.yahoo.com (web13901.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EGjwO26985 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:45:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314164558.57485.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:45:58 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:45:58 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: RE: motorcycle opinion question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd only allow synthetic to touch my floors. They should be gutted if the floor is being defaced with dino juice :) Keith --- Jon Strang wrote: > ..and of course, synthetic or dino? > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil > everywhere... > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:47:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGlpO27045 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:47:51 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZajLnp6gAmf1pnlIsYY5cQ2aPaa1wIXwjQZ6vy7gA8vij0TiZN8HL0pKezBuwbzSY= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16lYOM-0000Vz-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:47:50 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: Subject: RE: motorcycle opinion question Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <82.18ef525f.29c22bd7@aol.com> Importance: Normal I don't think there's any difference, but the issue is the cleanliness/fire hazard of oil and oily rags all over the place. Also, gasoline (and to a lesser extent, kerosene or other solvents) being used to clean parts/left in coffee cans or whatever. All significant fire hazards regardless of location. I'd be a hardass on the issue if they've demonstrated lack of judgement. On the other hand, if they're doing a reasonable job of protecting your investment, I think I'd understand...being that I know how hard it is to find a place to work on your bike. FWIW. > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 3/14/2002 10:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > > > I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? > > > > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy > was a racer... > > then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" > > Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A > garage under a > townhouse? > Just a question. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGucO27242 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2EGuX927696; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:56:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:56:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200203141656.g2EGuX927696@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: motorcycle opinion question Laura tried to slip into the 'Daddy pants' (re: Austin Powers)... OH MY GOD...has hell frozen over...Dave actually agrees with me????? :) Don't * S T A R T * with me ;-) So, you already double tapped the offender ? what did you do with the body ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:57:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EGvEO27324 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-105-238.s1000.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.105.238] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16lYXP-0002dd-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:57:12 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01c1cb79$5c6838a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <92.22b17a0c.29c22c17@aol.com> Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:55:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 A boilerplate lease agreement usually covers such contingencies, storage of hazardous materials. Notify the tenant(s) that they are in violation of the lease terms and they have such and such time period to address the problem or you will begin eviction proceedings. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question > In a message dated 3/14/02 11:36:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > > > > ..and of course, synthetic or dino? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... > > That would be a major complaint for me. It's a fire hazard first....second > it permanently defaces your property....and third....it's probably against > the local fire code....at a guess. String the no-good motorcycle wanna-be up > by their thumbs!!! :) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 11:59:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h004.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.168]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EGwxO27377 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 26118 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 08:58:53 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 08:58:53 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314165853.26117.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 16:58:53 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 08:58:53 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A garage under a > townhouse? > Just a question. > Just called the fire department. He said "zero flammable liquids of that nature should be in the house...especially a townhouse which causes risk to the connecting houses." Insurance would not pay for any damage if something were to happen. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:02:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EH26O27472 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GSZ00K013BAT7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:01:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GSZ00IPQ3BABS@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:01:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GSZ00D013B7UT@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:01:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.38.62.100]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GSZ00AJD3AVK6@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:01:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:01:46 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial To: Rob Winters Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C90D77A.B1ECDE5B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314111147.04081a68@mail.annapurna.com> Rob Winters wrote: > Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Just > curious. My wife was able to use that line for a few years, until she convinced me that we should get a motorcycle. Then I went off the deep end... :) I wonder if she has any regrets about that? Horkster -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:03:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EH2xO27494 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GSZ0050137CAQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:59:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GSZ003J137BJN@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:59:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GSZ00G01377UZ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:59:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.38.62.100]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GSZ00G0N36WOR@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:59:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:59:24 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: another m/c ad To: jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C90D6EB.CC45F4EE@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Jon Strang wrote: > > http://www.chivinmoto.com/images/ot3140.mpeg > > I don't think this has been posted here before... It's amazing the kinds of ads the yurupeens can get away with... :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:04:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EH43O27538 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:04:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314170402.4185.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:04:02 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:04:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: LAURA GRANATO , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020314165853.26117.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Thu, 14 March 2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached > garage? A garage under a > > townhouse? > > Just a question. > > > > Just called the fire department. He said "zero flammable > liquids of that nature should be in the > house...especially a townhouse which causes risk to the > connecting houses." Insurance would not pay for any > damage if something were to happen. he can't tell you that without reading the policy(ies) involved. however, now that you ARE AWARE of the risk, i imagine you'd be in some serious shit were anything bad to happen. you got a lease with these folks? sounds like a substantial breach of any standard form lease agreement which would warrant immediate termination. btw, this ain't legal advice -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EH46O27548 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:04:06 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ1JfX0Rt40Uul1QaoFlYJX+8PuND1ZpHuDVW6Wb/P6Jxd7Y488j7k/30EOwqJPxr4= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16lYe6-0004I0-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:04:06 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: motorcycle opinion question Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020314165853.26117.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal well, there's your answer. Out with the flammables. > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Insurance would not > pay for any damage if something were to happen. > > > LAG > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EH4JO27558 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id p.44.1c980401 (3976); Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:04:01 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <44.1c980401.29c23201@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:04:01 EST Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: lgranato@XXXXXX, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_44.1c980401.29c23201_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 --part1_44.1c980401.29c23201_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/02 11:59:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > Just called the fire department. He said "zero flammable liquids of that > nature should be in the house...especially a townhouse which causes risk to > the connecting houses." Insurance would not pay for any damage if > something were to happen. Sounds like you have yoru answer. The tenant is putting your house at risk.....and that's not cool. --part1_44.1c980401.29c23201_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/02 11:59:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes:


Just called the fire department.  He said "zero flammable liquids of that nature should be in the house...especially a townhouse which causes risk to the connecting houses."  Insurance would not pay for any damage if something were to happen.


Sounds like you have yoru answer.  The tenant is putting your house at risk.....and that's not cool.
--part1_44.1c980401.29c23201_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:04:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EH4VO27570 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2EH1Xo36913; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:01:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314113654.03823408@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:00:47 -0500 To: LAURA GRANATO From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed IANAL, but... What does the lease say? If there's no written lease, you can probably set lots of reasonable restrictions on how the property is used. Lots of leases have restrictive text on automotive mechanical work in excess of routine maintenance; the purpose being to prevent the place from becoming a shadetree mechanic's business with attendant wrecks and environment issues. Almost all leases prohibit commercial enterprises not specifically called out as exceptions, the purpose of the property being residential. Is this a commercial enterprise? Check your insurance coverage to see how much trouble you might be in if a tenant's rebuild results in a fire that brings the place to the ground. I only personally know of one case where a guy was working on his bike in an attached garage, it caught fire, he couldn't get it out, and it burned his family out of house and home. OTOH, I *do* know one, so I guess only you know whether your glass is half empty or half full. (BTW, his insurance covered well, and he built a much nicer house on the same lot.) /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:04:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EH4nO27584 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 1802 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 09:04:43 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 09:04:43 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314170443.1801.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 17:04:43 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 09:04:43 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: fish@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Rob Winters wrote: > > > Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? > > Yes, actually. Most recently from a friend whose husband won't let her > ride or (and this is the one which surprises me) get her nipple pierced. > There are many men, believe it or not, who are just as possessive and demanding as women can be. I learned at an early age to stay away from those types. ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13903.mail.yahoo.com (web13903.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EH88O27754 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:08:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314170808.844.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:08:08 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:08:08 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: another m/c ad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C90D6EB.CC45F4EE@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This one needs a disclaimer. I just glad no one was around me when I fired it up at work. keith --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Jon Strang wrote: > > > > http://www.chivinmoto.com/images/ot3140.mpeg > > > > I don't think this has been posted here before... > > It's amazing the kinds of ads the yurupeens can > get away with... :) > > Hork > > -- > Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX > > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:09:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EH9JO27783 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 10502 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 09:09:09 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 09:09:09 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314170909.10501.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 17:09:09 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 09:09:09 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rob@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, Rob Winters wrote: > > IANAL, but... What does the lease say? > Gotta pull the lease out tonight...I do remember something in there about flammables. However, just called and told them they had 24 hours to get that shit out of there...Told them there would be an inspection on Saturday to see if it's gone or not. Sucks for them...god, I can't wait to get them out of there. I think I"ll have to have a party to celebrate. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:10:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EHAtO27840 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id p.7e.2441beb1 (15703); Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mow-m30 (mow-m30.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v83.45) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-0314121040; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:10:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:10:40 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <7e.2441beb1.29c23390@aol.com> I would be slightly pissed off. That just shows a lack of caring for other peoples property on the tenants part. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, LAURA GRANATO writes: > Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it out. > > I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that used to be a wood working shop. Well, I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? > > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... > > If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do? I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic. > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EHCSO28000 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:12:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314171224.95570.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:12:24 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: LAURA GRANATO , rob@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020314170909.10501.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii this is why i brought the subject up. under the lease you may have a right to immediate ejectment. i'd be careful in my communications to them if you in fact want to repossess the property. --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Thu, 14 March 2002, Rob Winters wrote: > > > > > IANAL, but... What does the lease say? > > > > Gotta pull the lease out tonight...I do remember > something in there about flammables. > > However, just called and told them they had 24 hours to > get that shit out of there...Told them there would be an > inspection on Saturday to see if it's gone or not. > > Sucks for them...god, I can't wait to get them out of > there. I think I"ll have to have a party to celebrate. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:13:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EHDaO28040 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2EHDV002200; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:13:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:13:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200203141713.g2EHDV002200@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial Laura Laments - > > Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? There are many men, believe it or not, who are just as possessive and demanding as women can be. I learned at an early age to stay away from those types. ;-) Because opposites attract ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:18:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EHIEO28183 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id p.4c.8163332 (15876); Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mow-m29 (mow-m29.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v83.45) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-0314121753; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:17:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:17:52 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: re: motorcycle opinion question To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <4c.8163332.29c23541@aol.com> Yes. Why do you think we've had such a strange winter? ;-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:46:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, LAURA GRANATO writes: > OH MY GOD...has hell frozen over...Dave actually agrees with me????? > > :) > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EHMKO28316 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GSZ0080148L29@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:21:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GSZ006EA48LI4@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:21:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSZ00L0148JQ2@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:21:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GSZ00K9O484S5@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:21:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:21:44 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: SKeener2@XXXXXX Cc: jmstrang@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C90DC28.109CE552@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <92.22b17a0c.29c22c17@aol.com> Keener wrote: > String the no-good motorcycle wanna-be up by their thumbs!!! :) Yeah, who'd ever rent a house to biker scum in the first place? :) -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EHPfO28362 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id p.11f.d359751 (5711); Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mow-m25 (mow-m25.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v83.45) with ESMTP id MAILINID44-0314122519; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:25:19 1900 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:25:18 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <11f.d359751.29c236ff@aol.com> Time to open a can of WhoopAss on them. :-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:59:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, LAURA GRANATO writes: > On Thu, 14 March 2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A garage under a > > townhouse? > > Just a question. > > > > Just called the fire department. He said "zero flammable liquids of that nature should be in the house...especially a townhouse which causes risk to the connecting houses." Insurance would not pay for any damage if something were to happen. > > > LAG > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:26:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h010.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.174]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EHQrO28392 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 14597 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 09:26:47 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 09:26:47 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314172647.14596.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 17:26:47 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 09:26:47 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > Laura Laments - > > > Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a > woman? > > There are many men, believe it or not, who are just as possessive and > demanding as women can be. I learned at an early age to stay away > from those types. ;-) > > Because opposites attract ? > Damn,Dave...them'z fightin' words. LOL. I think Roach will attest to the fact that I am hardly possessive and demanding...ok, wait...maybe demanding, but not in a bad way. LOL. ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:27:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EHRKO28474 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GSZ00G014H6IG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:27:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GSZ00DN94H5MM@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:27:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSZ000014H1ZR@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:27:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GSZ00M604GVYS@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:26:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:26:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C90DD62.24C49C82@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200203141656.g2EGuX927696@atlanta.pop3now.com> sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > So, you already double tapped the offender ? what did you do with > the body ? > covered the body in oil from the floor, torched the house, and made out like a bandit on the fire insurance money? :) -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:31:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EHVlO28593 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <15BML0Z2>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:31:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: motorcycle opinion question Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:31:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm still confused why you were in the house? -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:09 PM To: rob@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question On Thu, 14 March 2002, Rob Winters wrote: > > IANAL, but... What does the lease say? > Gotta pull the lease out tonight...I do remember something in there about flammables. However, just called and told them they had 24 hours to get that shit out of there...Told them there would be an inspection on Saturday to see if it's gone or not. Sucks for them...god, I can't wait to get them out of there. I think I"ll have to have a party to celebrate. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:33:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EHXaO28620 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2EHXVr11180; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:33:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:33:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200203141733.g2EHXVr11180@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question Hork Hypothesizes > So, you already double tapped the offender ? what did you do with > the body ? > covered the body in oil from the floor, torched the house, and made out like a bandit on the fire insurance money? :) As fire inspectors are combing through the ruins... 'damn capt... you ever seen something like this?' 'looks like this bozo shot himself in the chest, then the muzzle blast lit off the fumes from that there motorcycle, and he incinerated himself...' I tell ya, these bikers are strange...' Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:38:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EHcCO28750 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GSZ00J014VTZC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:35:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GSZ00HPU4VT0G@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:35:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GSZ005014VPIF@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:35:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.65]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GSZ004AH4VI3Q@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:35:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:35:45 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: lgranato@XXXXXX, penguinbiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C90DF71.C32C45A8@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <11f.d359751.29c236ff@aol.com> ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > Time to open a can of WhoopAss on them. :-) > Sounds like Laura would rather have a bag of oil-dry...but it's the thought that counts. :) Hork -- Same old Hork, but new email - horkster@XXXXXX Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EHdvO28772 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 18368 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 09:39:51 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 09:39:50 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314173950.18367.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 17:39:50 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 09:39:50 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > > sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > So, you already double tapped the offender ? what did you do with > > the body ? > > > covered the body in oil from the floor, torched the house, > and made out like a bandit on the fire insurance money? :) nah, I believe in Karma... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:43:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EHh1O28903 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 15781 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 09:42:55 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 09:42:55 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314174255.15780.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 17:42:55 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 09:42:55 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RichH@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: RE: motorcycle opinion question X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'm still confused why you were in the house? > A. Because I am starting to show the house to potential roommates. B. Because it's my damn house and I gave them 24 hours notice that I would be there...all that's required. LAG :) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:52:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EHq6O29110 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 12388 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 09:52:01 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 09:52:01 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314175201.12387.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 17:52:01 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 09:52:00 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: keithlva@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: another m/c ad X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, Keith Lamond wrote: > > This one needs a disclaimer. I just glad no one was > around me when I fired it up at work. > That rules!!!! Damn sexy bike! :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 12:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EHusO29170 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2EHunB21769; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:56:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:56:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200203141756.g2EHunB21769@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question LAG fatalistically remarked ... > covered the body in oil from the floor, torched the house, > and made out like a bandit on the fire insurance money? :) nah, I believe in Karma... yeah, so ? I do too, and the way I see it, I'm running a 'Karmic surplus' right about now after Cub Scouts, Webelos (wobble but they don't fall down, I know...), Boy Scouts, ARMY (Boy scouts without adult supervision), lots of good deeds and the like. Further, I take a 'fundamentalist' view of Karma in that in a similar situation, the 'tenant', would have to expect BAD Karma as a result of their foolishness, and so, my inflicting any bad karma on them would be a net break even, in Karma terms ;-) JMHO Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 13:10:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EIA7O29462 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2EI7Bo37142 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:07:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314125317.0419b9f0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:06:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: waste gas and oil disposal? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Since I seem to have open containers of flammable waste on the brain now, what are the options available for getting rid of such stuff anyway, and the costs, if any. I know that there are service stations that will accept used oil, but are they required to, and what are they allowed to charge for doing so? Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my own interesting collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me? Inquiring minds want to know. (I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them quite spectacular, but I digress.) I live in Arlington, BTW, if that matters. Thanks. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 13:27:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EIRCO29864 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:30:36 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B473@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'ersilberg@XXXXXX'" Subject: The New Harley Commercial Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:30:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Eric Silberg confessed, "Many times when people ask me what kind of bike I have, the response is something like: "What, you can't afford a Harley?" Now I own sport(y) bikes so this is really quite an inane comment. I have a feeling they would have said the same thing if I told them I rode a BMW or a Ducati. If they actually knew anything, they might have said "What, you can't afford an MV Agusta?" and this would make some sense, since I can't... But it does go to show that people over here associate motorcycles with Harley, and everything else is a compromise." Bzzt, The answer is "I have a ree-al motorcycle, a Honda. It's for riding, not polishing." From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 13:27:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13403.mail.yahoo.com (web13403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EIRYO29876 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:27:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314182730.49444.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.49.65.85] by web13403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:27:30 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:27:30 -0800 (PST) From: rdrdr Reply-To: rydin@XXXXXX Subject: phone number for Cycle Trader? To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-647773198-1016130450=:49433" --0-647773198-1016130450=:49433 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone here have the number for Cycle Trader (not the website). I can't seem to find it on their website. Niv BMW F650ST for sale! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage --0-647773198-1016130450=:49433 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Does anyone here have the number for Cycle Trader (not the website).

I can't seem to find it on their website.

 

Niv

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Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage --0-647773198-1016130450=:49433-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 13:31:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EIVSO00110 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:31:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314183127.97325.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:31:27 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:31:27 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: another m/c ad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020314175201.12387.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ah yes, the 2000 Aprilia RSV Mille in the ONLY color - red, blue, and silver. I was the lucky owner of serial number 000027, too bad turn 7 at Summit Point was hungry that race :( --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Thu, 14 March 2002, Keith Lamond wrote: > > > > > This one needs a disclaimer. I just glad no one > was > > around me when I fired it up at work. > > > > That rules!!!! Damn sexy bike! > > :-) > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 13:39:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13902.mail.yahoo.com (web13902.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EIdZO00252 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:39:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314183935.79950.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:39:35 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: waste gas and oil disposal? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314125317.0419b9f0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fairfax county has disposal centers that take both oil and gas. Locations are on the county website I believe. Cost is free. Keith --- Rob Winters wrote: > Since I seem to have open containers of flammable > waste on the brain now, > what are the options available for getting rid of > such stuff anyway, and > the costs, if any. > > I know that there are service stations that will > accept used oil, but are > they required to, and what are they allowed to > charge for doing so? > > Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my > own interesting > collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity > of old gas, and also a > cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of > "properly". So what is the > proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me? > Inquiring minds want to know. > (I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them > quite spectacular, but > I digress.) > > I live in Arlington, BTW, if that matters. > > Thanks. > > /// Rob > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 13:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EIgbO00362 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 20881 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 10:42:31 -0800 Date: 14 Mar 2002 10:42:31 -0800 Message-ID: <20020314184231.20880.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Mar 2002 18:42:31 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Mar 2002 10:42:31 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ersilberg@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 March 2002, "Custer, Carl" wrote: The answer is "I have a ree-al motorcycle, a Honda. It's for riding, > not polishing." Ummm, Keiser might tend to disagree with that! ;) LAG P.S. Sorry Rob, had to!!!! ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 13:46:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (jdonovan@XXXXXX [204.94.239.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EIk3O00488 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2EIYFR12904; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:34:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:34:14 -0500 (EST) From: JD To: Rob Winters cc: Subject: Re: waste gas and oil disposal? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314125317.0419b9f0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Rob Winters wrote: > collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a > cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the > proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me? Inquiring minds want to know. > (I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them quite spectacular, but > I digress.) I dont know about arlington specifcly, but loudoun, fairfax, pince-william, and more I suspect will accept oil, gas, and other househodl-hazardous wastes at they landfill or transfer station. I dont know if arlington has something like this for its residents, but I suspect a call to the sanitation authority or countyr/city firemarshals office would get your answer. -jd From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 14:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2EJQ0O01196 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:26:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314192558.35035.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:25:58 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Selling My 99 ZX9R To: Razz Man , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Razz Man wrote: > I've made the painful decision to sell my beloved steed. > After deciding that > it'll be at least another year or two before I can > "pleasure ride" due to > the construction of my new recording studio and the > clients already booked > after completion, the bike's on the market. it is unclear how you made it past harry's initial screening for admittance. priorities such as these are improper for members of this list.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 15:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f118.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.118]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EKtvO02798 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:44:35 -0800 Received: from 68.48.87.207 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:44:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.87.207] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:44:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2002 20:44:35.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D0C4FB0:01C1CB99] Easy now. But think of it, you can't ride ALL the time. ;) Rob '98 VFR800 (well ridden, clean and happy) From: LAURA GRANATO To: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ersilberg@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial Date: 14 Mar 2002 10:42:31 -0800 On Thu, 14 March 2002, "Custer, Carl" wrote: The answer is "I have a ree-al motorcycle, a Honda. It's for riding, > not polishing." Ummm, Keiser might tend to disagree with that! ;) LAG P.S. Sorry Rob, had to!!!! ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 16:19:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from msnawa58.usi.net (msnawa58.usi.net [209.135.43.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2ELJLO03215 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by msnaex05.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Diep, Tuan (Washington)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: CBR F3 manual Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:19:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone know where I can get an owner's manual for a 1995 CBR F3? Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 17:05:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EM5XO03997 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-098.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.98] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ldLY-0000fB-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:05:16 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020314170521.00b0c630@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:06:28 -0500 To: "Bruce Norton" , From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question In-Reply-To: <011801c1cb71$7748fea0$a563413f@bruce> References: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A wood shop won't void your homeowner's insurance, and a racing bike or substantial stock of oil in the basement might. -- Larry At 11:01 AM 3/14/2002, Bruce Norton wrote: >And a wood shop is not a fire hazard? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "LAURA GRANATO" > > > > Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. Right now I have >tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to >check it out. > > > > I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that >used to be a wood working shop. Well, I pop the doors to the room open and >what do I find? > > > > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy was a >racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" > > > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... > > > > If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do? I've >already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic. > > > > LAG From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 17:10:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EMAcO04041 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-098.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.98] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ldQi-0000C1-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:10:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020314170739.00b075e0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:11:48 -0500 To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314111147.04081a68@mail.annapurna.com> References: <188.4cedb22.29c2220b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ask my SO to go downhill skiing and you'll probably get a "my [relational noun of your choice] won't let me." After out-of-control teenagers wrecked her knee twice, causing her to miss most of two tennis seasons, I bought her cross-country skis as a strong hint. OTOH, she always encourages me to head for Summit Point when the track season starts. It's always convenient to have someone else to blame it on. 8;) -- Larry At 11:22 AM 3/14/2002, Rob Winters wrote: >At 10:55 AM 3/14/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >>"I had a bike when I got married, I was always going to have a bike, my wife >>knew that." > >Gawd, I must have heard it a hundred times: > >"I'd love to ride, but my wife won't let me." > >I always look at such people like they're space aliens. :-) > >Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Just >curious. > > /// Rob > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 17:12:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EMCsO04130 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-098.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.98] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ldSu-0003Fh-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:12:52 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020314171345.00b10a70@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:14:04 -0500 To: , "LAURA GRANATO" , From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: motorcycle opinion question In-Reply-To: References: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Depends -- how deep is the basement? -- Larry At 11:32 AM 3/14/2002, Jon Strang wrote: >..and of course, synthetic or dino? > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 17:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EMKkO04329 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-098.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.98] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ldaW-0005pH-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:20:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020314172121.00b14db0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:21:56 -0500 To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: waste gas and oil disposal? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314125317.0419b9f0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.co.arlington.va.us/des/wpcp/hhwaste.htm (Arlington Household Hazardous Waste Program) -- Larry At 01:06 PM 3/14/2002, Rob Winters wrote: >Since I seem to have open containers of flammable waste on the brain now, >what are the options available for getting rid of such stuff anyway, and >the costs, if any. > >I know that there are service stations that will accept used oil, but are >they required to, and what are they allowed to charge for doing so? > >Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my own interesting >collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a >cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the >proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me? Inquiring minds want to >know. (I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them quite >spectacular, but I digress.) > >I live in Arlington, BTW, if that matters. > >Thanks. > > /// Rob > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 17:48:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fc2.capaccess.org ([151.200.199.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2EMmdO04805 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:48:39 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:39:46 -0500 Subject: Re: waste gas and oil disposal? To: rob@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314125317.0419b9f0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314125317.0419b9f0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DC seems to require gas stations to take uncontaminated (by gasoline) oil. (There also exist oil burning heaters that run on used motor oil, but I have no experience with them.) As for old/dirty gas, I filter it through cotton cloth to remove water and rust and use it in my bikes. Done it for years, never had any problems. --garcia rob@XXXXXX writes: >I know that there are service stations that will accept used oil, but are >they required to, and what are they allowed to charge for doing so? > >Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my own interesting >collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a >cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the >proper way, anyway, From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 19:09:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F09lO06159 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-33.patriot.net [209.249.181.33]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F09i609525; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3C913B5E.AA7CA966@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:07:58 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Winters CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314111147.04081a68@mail.annapurna.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Winters wrote: > At 10:55 AM 3/14/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >"I had a bike when I got married, I was always going to have a bike, my wife > >knew that." > > Gawd, I must have heard it a hundred times: > > "I'd love to ride, but my wife won't let me." > > I always look at such people like they're space aliens. :-) > > Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Just > curious. > > /// Rob Yes, heard that "my husband won't let me" line numerous times. And I've also heard "You let your wife do... !!!" numerous times. Both get my space alien look. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 19:13:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F0DJO06276 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from fredg7yxzzfv8e (pcp01582514pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.48.144.3]) by mtaout45-02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0GSZ00GKKN9YRN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:13:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:14:28 -0500 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: motorcycle opinion question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal depends, will they let you borrow it??? Lisa Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. > Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in > Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it > out. > > I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot > this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze > and think "FIRE HAZARD!" > If you were me, would this piss you off and what > would you do? I've already decided what I'm gonna > do, but thought this might be a fun topic. > > LAG > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 19:13:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F0DoO06286 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-33.patriot.net [209.249.181.33]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F0Dm610603; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:13:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3C913C52.654DA538@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:12:03 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question References: <82.18ef525f.29c22bd7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/14/2002 10:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > > > I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? > > > > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy was a racer... > > then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" > > Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A garage under a > townhouse? > Just a question. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX YES! I have an attached garage. The specs for the structure and walls are differnet than the house - must have FIRECODE sheetrock. And steel columns must be covered in wood or FC sheetrock. Etc, etc, etc.... An attached garage built to code is designed to protect the house occupants from a fire within the garage. Bill The ultimate DIY - built me own dang house... From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 19:20:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F0K0O06431 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-33.patriot.net [209.249.181.33]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F0Jw611993; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:19:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3C913DC4.102F1AE@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:18:12 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question References: <20020314155706.7572.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Ok, just had to get everyone's opinion on this one. Right now I have tenants living in my townhouse in Centreville, so I popped by last night to check it out. > > I don't have a garage, but there is a storage room in my basement that used to be a wood working shop. Well, I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? > > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy was a racer...then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" > > There is oil all over the floor, bottles of oil everywhere... > > If you were me, would this piss you off and what would you do? I've already decided what I'm gonna do, but thought this might be a fun topic. > > LAG A fun topic, but NOT FUNNY! Sweetly inform tenents they have fifteen minutes to get the bike and all accompanying fluids and junk OUTTA THERE! Then perfrom a *white glove* inspection to see that they've cleaned up all the oil etc. Gasolene fumes are heavier than air. This is a basement. Sorta like a boat bilge. All inboard boats have bilge blowers which must be run for a few minutes before attempting to start the engine. Forget this detail and a boatowner will take a not-so-cool rocket ride into the sky with the helm seat pedestal firmly implanted in their ass. Gasolene in a basement presents the same hazard. GET RID THAT BIKE! Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 19:25:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F0PdO06568 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from fredg7yxzzfv8e (pcp01582514pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.48.144.3]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0GSZ008K5NUK1I@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:25:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:26:50 -0500 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: my husband won't let me To: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:22:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: The New Harley Commercial At 10:55 AM 3/14/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >"I had a bike when I got married, I was always going to have a bike, my wife >knew that." Gawd, I must have heard it a hundred times: "I'd love to ride, but my wife won't let me." I always look at such people like they're space aliens. :-) Has anyone ever gotten a "my husband won't let me" line from a woman? Just curious. /// Rob I have witnessed this sorry scene before. My husband and I were at a racetrack for some track time a few weekends ago. A couple arrived early Sunday morning. I saw the wife in the bathroom and politely asked if she would be out on the track. She replied that it looked like nobody was going to be on the track if the rain didn't let up. I never got an answer and left it at that. I commented to my husband that the couple had a nice set up with a big van to transport their bikes but I couldn't see what they had because nobody had unloaded bikes with the rain still coming down. My husband said that he had asked her if she would be out on the track with me and she replied "my husband won't let me". I guess what leaves me so stumped about it is that it was a miserable, cold, wet and rainy day. I know that hell would sooner freeze over before I would spend an entire Sunday going to a track to watch my husband go around and around and around unless I were actively involved in the sport too. I am also curious to know if she rides on the street or if she rides on the back of his bike.... Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 19:31:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F0VpO06744 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from fredg7yxzzfv8e (pcp01582514pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.48.144.3]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0GSZ007N0O4WND@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:31:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:33:02 -0500 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: indoor bike storage. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Subject: Re: motorcycle opinion question In a message dated 3/14/2002 10:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > I pop the doors to the room open and what do I find? > A race bike. Ok, first I think "cool." I forgot this guy was a racer... > then I come out of my daze and think "FIRE HAZARD!" Is that any worse then storing a bike in an attached garage? A garage under a townhouse? Just a question. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Garage will not be on the HVAC system as the house to prevent the spread of fumes, at least not if the house is not really old. Also, the garage should have a stronger door between it and the house that would slow, not stop, the spread of fire. I guess I am not one to talk. There are usually two or three motorcycles living in our rec. room in the basement. Nice and close to the air intake for the heat and next to the washer and dryer. Just for good measure we also keep all of the recycling in our garage next to the gas cans. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 19:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F0VvO06754 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-33.patriot.net [209.249.181.33]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F0Vs614511; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:31:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3C914090.E6EB37AC@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:30:08 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: garcia oliver CC: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: waste gas and oil disposal? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314125317.0419b9f0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit garcia oliver wrote: > As for old/dirty gas, I filter it through cotton cloth to remove water and > rust and use it in my bikes. Done it for years, never had any problems. > > --garcia NOOOO!!! Maybe your definition of old is last season, but one time I decided to eliminate a 15 gal garboy of real old gas - dump gas from racimng outboards which had 2-stroke oil and many mysterious *smoke* additives to make engine go fast enough to occassionally hand grenade. I poured a few gallons in my pickup tank. Hey, had about 12 gallons in it, a safe mix... WRONG! Damn truck made it outta the driveway abd coughed out - had to drain the damn tank, clean the lines and throttle body - MAJOR PITA! Old gas = fence line weedkiller Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 20:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F1brO07792 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.229.106.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([209.244.229.106] helo=ix.netcom.com) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lgez-0000NZ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:37:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3C914FCA.9060602@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:35:06 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: How to determine correct chain length Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK smart people, is there some sort of formula or something to figure out the correct number of chain links needed based on F and R sprocket combinations? Stock FZR sprockets are 15/45 and number of chain links is 106. My FZR currently is -2 in front and +3 in back (i.e., 13/48) from the previous owner. I want to go up one more tooth in front and run 14/48. Problem is that the current chain is not long enough so that I can get sufficient chain slack. So how do I know how many links more I need? I don't know how many links the current chain is because it's in the shop (Crossroads) for some work, but I'm sure I can get Denny to count them for me. Or is there a way to figure it out without knowing the current chain length, but knowing what the stock length is? Much thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 21:28:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F2SaO08552 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-72-172.s172.tnt10.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.72.172] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16lhSN-0006gl-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c1cbc8$e11daa40$ac482c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200203150000.g2F001k05940@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/14/02 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:26:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/13/02 At 07:00 PM 3/13/2002 -0500, 'The Horkster' wrote: >And that, in a nutshell, seems to be Harley's total design >philosophy. It's not intended for those who actually ride. Lol! :) any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020! god only knows HOW you manage NEGATIVE points when you dont even ride the rally...... :-)~~~~ Bruce '95 FLHTC - 2.99 times SaddleSore Award (and then some).... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ LMAO! And touche! Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 22:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F3YXO09643 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29823 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:34:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020314224440.03f1b00c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:44:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Freestate Cycle? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:16 AM 3/14/02 -0500, you wrote: >At 09:06 AM 3/14/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >>On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Larry Larson wrote: >> >> > Nice but ignorant sales staff, nice but not-quite-as-ignorant parts >> > people, and a big theft problem -- so the helmets are all high up on >> > shelves behind the sales counter where you can't get at them. >> >>Too bad... I'm really just looking for competent sales people just >>now. Ah, well. Thanks for responding! > > >You're welcome. I'm afraid the only competent sales people I've met in the >area are at Clinton Cycle and Bob's BMW. > >-- Larry I had good luck purchasing (and previous service on other bikes) at JT Motorsports in Frederick, MD. Gunner was great to deal with and I got a nice price on my Busa. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 22:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F3g3O09818 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA30031 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:42:01 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020314225215.03f09fb8@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:52:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: waste gas and oil disposal? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:06 PM 3/14/02 -0500, Rob Winters wrote: >Since I seem to have open containers of flammable waste on the brain now, >what are the options available for getting rid of such stuff anyway, and >the costs, if any. > >I know that there are service stations that will accept used oil, but are >they required to, and what are they allowed to charge for doing so? > >Same question re: gasoline. I now seem to have my own interesting >collection of gas cans, each with a small quantity of old gas, and also a >cycle tankful I'd like to drain and dispose of "properly". So what is the >proper way, anyway, and what will it cost me? Inquiring minds want to know. >(I can think of lots of improper ways, some of them quite spectacular, but >I digress.) > >I live in Arlington, BTW, if that matters. I live in MD and take mine to the local landfill. They have recycling available for most auto/bike liquids :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 23:02:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F427O10177 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-098.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.98] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16liur-0000Df-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:02:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020314230236.00afdf08@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:03:17 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Freestate Cycle? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020314224440.03f1b00c@noid.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Wayne, What do they carry besides Suzuki? Tnx -- Larry At 10:44 PM 3/14/2002, you wrote: >I had good luck purchasing (and previous service on other bikes) at JT >Motorsports in Frederick, MD. Gunner was great to deal with and I got a >nice price on my Busa. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 23:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fc2.capaccess.org ([151.200.199.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F46JO10275 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:06:19 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:04:00 -0500 Subject: Re: waste gas and oil disposal? To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314125317.0419b9f0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <3C914090.E6EB37AC@XXXXXX> In-Reply-To: <3C914090.E6EB37AC@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Must have been interesting stuff! Got any left? --garcia bhuson@XXXXXX writes: >> As for old/dirty gas, I filter it through cotton cloth to remove water >and >> rust and use it in my bikes. Done it for years, never had any problems. >> >> --garcia > >NOOOO!!! Maybe your definition of old is last season, but one time I >decided >to eliminate a 15 gal garboy of real old gas - dump gas from racimng >outboards >which had 2-stroke oil and many mysterious *smoke* additives to make >engine go >fast enough to occassionally hand grenade. I poured a few gallons in my >pickup tank. Hey, had about 12 gallons in it, a safe mix... WRONG! Damn >truck made it outta the driveway abd coughed out - had to drain the damn >tank, >clean the lines and throttle body - MAJOR PITA! > >Old gas = fence line weedkiller From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 14 23:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2F46WO10286 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA30841 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:06:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020314231645.04502380@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:16:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Freestate Cycle? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:03 PM 3/14/02 -0500, Larry Larson wrote: >Wayne, > >What do they carry besides Suzuki? > >Tnx -- Larry Kawasaki and KTM, not sure of any others. They had a Duke in the showroom last time I was there :-) -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 15 06:20:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from medusa.veiinternet.com ([207.244.8.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2FBKNO16961 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from vei.net (unverified [207.244.8.40]) by medusa.veiinternet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.2.221) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:20:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1bec8ebdc23e4a85bb8b66bfe29345f6.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 7 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: old aerostich roadcrafter 2 piece Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:20:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g2FBKVO16962 I have a gray w/black ballistics aerostich roadcrafter for sale. The jacket is a 40S and the pants 38R (not a waist size, they're a typical match for a 38 jacket) plus the ellipse that goes between the two pieces. It is almost 10 years old (I think 6/92 is the mfg date) and has been worn almost daily. $200/best offer. Believe it or not the suit still looks great. It's been treated with various scotchguard type products regularly through the years and has never been crashed. Most people would not guess the age or amount of usage the suit has had... Why am I getting rid of it? I'm 45 lbs heavier than 10 years ago! :) Things it needs/could use: velcro for main zipper closure on jacket velcro for zipper closure on pants right leg zipper (closes to within 4" of bottom of leg) snap for left leg new armor some repairs to the jacket liner patch on left lower leg where I inadvertently touched the exhaust and put a 1" or so hole in the fabric I'm still using the suit as it is... JPEGs available upon request. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 15 06:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2FBxHO17552 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:00:47 -0500 Received: by hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:58:47 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Flammable Storage Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:58:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Let me get this straight. You were looking for a place to store a motorcycle (sans flammables, one can only presume) and found a M/C in a state of riding preps and.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 15 07:06:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2FC6gO17699 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:08:17 -0500 Received: by hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:06:18 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Waste Oil Disposal Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:06:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jiffy lube takes it.... but only paraffin or asphalt based (dino-squeezins) oil, no synth, no mineral, solvents etc... it's recycled into grade B, which I believe is used by industry for surface lubricants on production machinery. (don't quote me on that) The Auto Zone takes batts Fairfax Country Fire training center used to take solvents, paint and all that stuff. rags -- wrap them around a wooden club, ignite and use on Hallo weenie night From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 15 07:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2FCiHO18272 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:44:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020315124416.15066.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.197.53.144] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:44:16 PST Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:44:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: waste gas and oil disposal? To: "William J. Huson" , garcia oliver Cc: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C914090.E6EB37AC@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Old gas = fence line weedkiller ahhh, yes, the gift that keeps giving.... to future generations of mutants -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 15 08:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g2FDSlO18944 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:28:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020315132846.35233.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.9.205] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:28:46 PST Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:28:46 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: new aggressive driving offense in VA To: Tom Gimer , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020312202841.10716.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > > it makes no difference what effect was had on > the > > > "victim" > > > if i can show that my client lacked this > specific > > > intent. > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, it DOES matter what the effect was. > > > > I punch you in the jaw once and you laugh at me = > > simple assault (class 1 misdemeanor) > > > > I punch you in the jaw once and your jaw shatters > = > > malicious wounding (class 3 felony) > > > > I punch you in the jaw and you fall back breaking > your > > neck and die = murder (class 2 felony) > > no offense, todd (tip of the day: don't offend teh > police), > but what does this have to do with specific intent > in > general and teh new virginia law in particular? > My point being that the effect of an action DOES affect the seriousness of the crime regardless of the intent. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 15 08:42:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g2FDgUO19176 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-81.patriot.net [209.249.181.81]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FDgR608178; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:42:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3C91F9D8.C1B9CDC3@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:40:40 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: garcia oliver CC: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: waste gas and oil disposal? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314125317.0419b9f0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <3C914090.E6EB37AC@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit garcia oliver wrote: > Must have been interesting stuff! Got any left? > > --garcia > Nope. But mid-April we'll be racing in NC. We use a fuel checker since *smoke* additives are prohibited in Stock classes. All that does is improve the chemical knowledge and skills of the boat racers. Folks have been known to get a *rush* just from sniffing the exhaust fumes! Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 15 08:52:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web