From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 00:13:57 2001 From: Brian Roach To: Tom Fitzpatrick , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MARRC Membership Information - Web Site Correction!!!!!! Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:17:28 -0500 Arg... the argument is not relavent to this list, and in all honesty, I gave up caring. I wish you all the best in MARRC Political life :) MARRC has it's own agenda as does any organization, and for the most part it's all good. They do a great job cornerworking at Summit Point, and provide racers with 4 track days. A deal for $20 to be sure - they got my $20. If you want to be involved with roadracing but don't want to race - come on out and cornerwork! I think anyone interested in the sport would really enjoy it and we appreciate you being there to pick us up from time to time! If you choose to join MARRC and donate $20 to the cause, that's all good too. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 05:19:51 2001 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , Subject: Re: DC lane sharing/Issues Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:19:47 -0500 The hearing for HB 739 was yesterday (Wednesday). Bill Gawthrop and I appeared to testify against it. Delegate Jean Cryor and Andy Krajweski (sp) from the MVA testified for it. The committee may vote on the bill on Friday. Now would be an excellent time to contact the members of the Commerce and Government Matters Committee to ask them to vote NO on this bill. Committee members can be located at this URL http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/com/02cgm.html Kathleen Loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: RE: DC lane sharing/Issues > Speaking of issues...does anyone gives a rats ass about the bill in the MD > general assembly that proscribes how a child may be a passenger on a bike? > Is this the most important transportation issue we are facing? Like a cannon > answer to a mosquito issue. I think someone wrote in to "Squidlock" about > the size of kid passengers, and this is the legislative response. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:the.horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:13 AM > To: Paul Wilson > Cc: mobacc; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC lane sharing > > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Yes, I saw that MCN letter too. AMA and ABATE seem to give the issue > > the big shrug, it would appear. Pity. > > That's a shame, they might find more universal support and > membership rolls increasing if they took on issues ALL bikers > could benefit by... > > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 07:07:55 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 07:09:15 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: MARRC Track Day vs "Roger Day" At 12:17 AM 3/1/01 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >They do a great job cornerworking at Summit Point, and provide >racers with 4 track days. A deal for $20 to be sure - they got my $20. You got it wrong Brian. MARRC only runs one track day per year, typically on a friday before a race weekend. It normally costs around $75 or so for club member and is a excellent value for a racer for two reasons. First it is cheap. Second, use of the track on that friday is donated by track owner Bill Scott to the club. The club keeps 100% of the proceeds, which go right back into the sport we love. We can all agree is a good thing and really nice of Bill Scott to do for us. Please thank Bill Scott for this next time you see him. This year the MARRC track day is May 11th, 2001. Come out & pratice & support your club that supports your sport. Roger Lyle (rogerlyle@XXXXXX 301 933 2599) typically runs three or four "Tune & Test Days" as Summit Point independently of MARRC. Roger does this for is personal profit (he does not make much money on it, last time I checked it cost $3000 to rent Summit on a typically weekday), betterment of the sport and his enjoyment. For a racer, his days are a good value at $120. We should all thank Roger for doing this, because he has to pay the track rental fee weather or not anybody shows up. From speaking with Roger I know that there have been times when he has lost money doing this when nobody showed up. This year Roger Day's are April 18, July 5 and October 3. For both of these events one needs a racing license, which, as Tom pointed out, is a good thing. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 07:14:09 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 07:15:30 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: MARRC Track Day vs "Roger Day" At 07:09 AM 3/1/01 -0800, Stephen Harris wrote: > For a racer, his days are a good value at >$120. I think they may be $125 or $130 now, ask Roger at rogerlyle@XXXXXX or (301) 933-2599 if you want to know the exact cost, I'm not sure. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 09:03:12 2001 From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: 4SALE: 1998 Honda VFR800 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:04:58 -0500 1998 Honda VFR800 19,000 miles Good condition, always garaged, runs perfect. Dunlop D207 tires have less than 1000 miles on them. Bike is located in Leesburg, VA $6000 FIRM ( www.kbb.com value $7855 ) ( www.nada.com value $6690 in avg condition) Contact bnorton@XXXXXX directly if you have any questions. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 09:13:03 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 06:13:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: How to pick up a fallen bike - A review To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Hi all, I'm currently traveling around New York with some friends, and just got a chance to look at my e-mail (167 DC-Cycles messages, ouch!) Saw this thread and just wanted to make a few comments. (They may have been made later, but I'm still playing catch up) While picking up the bike is not part of the offical blessed MSF curriculum, if I have a few students who ask me about it during the course, I'll usually lay a bike down during lunch break on Sunday, and show them how to pick it up. Then I'll have the person who asked the most, or who showed the most doubt come and do it. It usually does the trick. As for Paul's comments about parking improperly, I usually squeeze that at the end of "Special Situations" also known as the "Mr. Murphy" segment. There are a few words about parking, and I include not facing downhill in a parking space, and why. You'll find after you teach a few times that there are some nooks and crannies in the curriculum where you can put in little pieces without going off topic or blowing the time limits. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 09:44:17 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 06:44:14 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: DC lane sharing/Issues/ Gridweenies To: dcbike I've already heard from Leon about this...it seems to me that he's just a slow-ass, but happy to have people blow by him in the same lane and that's cool with me. that's not really how I'd define a twerp. to me a twerp is somebody in a cage who goes the same speed as Leon, but takes up a LOT more space and gets upset if you try to pass them in any lane. --- Todd Peer wrote: > From: Justin Stefanon > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > The Grid likes to feed into an underlying sense of > > victimhood that runs > > rampant among drivers in this area. You know, > > whiners > > I knew it wasn't just me! > > I bet the twerps who write to this stupid column are > the same ones holding up traffic by going 45 in the > HOV lanes. > ------------------------------------------------- > Hey Leon! Justin just called you a twerp! Kick his > ass!!! > > Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 09:47:45 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 06:47:43 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: slow-ass v. slow ass To: dcbike just want to make sure you'all know the difference. i wish slow asses had a cool attitude like Leon's, then they'd just be slow-ass. I consider myself to be a fast-ass driver and rider. I try not to be a fast ass. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 10:04:33 2001 Date: 1 Mar 2001 07:04:26 -0800 To: jstefanon@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slow-ass v. slow ass On Thu, 01 March 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > > just want to make sure you'all know the difference. > > i wish slow asses had a cool attitude like Leon's, > then they'd just be slow-ass. I consider myself to be > a fast-ass driver and rider. I try not to be a fast > ass. > Actually, not to be a smart ass, but they'd just be a slow ass. You'd only hyphenate if modifying something, like a slow-ass driver. :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 10:08:59 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: HJC Helmet Real cheap, used Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:08:52 Any one want a used HJC medium? Its black, full face, SNELL-95. Its about two years old, got a few scratches. Its also got the Fog City shield. Its never been dropped, just looks like it has -- ;-) I just got a nice shiny new Nolan 100 clasic. Best offer gets the HJC. I don't have room to keep three helmets in my closet. I've cleaned it, I think I may still even have the original instruction book around somewhere... Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 10:13:10 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:13:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 4SALE: 1998 Honda VFR800 To: Bruce Norton , DC Cycles i don't know what has gotten into bruce, but he's being quite generous here. excellent bike at an excellent price. , i wish i had $6k sittin' around. --- Bruce Norton wrote: > 1998 Honda VFR800 > 19,000 miles > Good condition, always garaged, runs perfect. > Dunlop D207 tires have less than 1000 miles on them. > Bike is located in Leesburg, VA > > $6000 FIRM > > ( www.kbb.com value $7855 ) > ( www.nada.com value $6690 in avg condition) > > > Contact bnorton@XXXXXX directly if you have any > questions. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 10:41:13 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: slow-ass v. slow ass Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:37:45 -0500 Isn't this a technically "Nestorism," named for a local man who tried to start a crusade of blocking traffic with "slow-ass" (i.e. strict adherence to the legal limit) use of the left lane. He was a local celebrity of sorts a few years ago. LAG: let's not start up with the grammar and spelling nit-picking, even though it's an occupational hazard for some of us. :) Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: Re: slow-ass v. slow ass > On Thu, 01 March 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > > > > > just want to make sure you'all know the difference. > > > > i wish slow asses had a cool attitude like Leon's, > > then they'd just be slow-ass. I consider myself to be > > a fast-ass driver and rider. I try not to be a fast > > ass. > > > > Actually, not to be a smart ass, but they'd just be a slow ass. You'd only hyphenate if modifying something, like a slow-ass driver. :-) > > LAG From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 11:20:36 2001 Date: 1 Mar 2001 08:20:29 -0800 To: jstefanon@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slow-ass v. slow ass On Thu, 01 March 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > > This is email after all, let's not start correcting > each other's grammar and spelling goodness gracious, can't anyone take a joke around here???? LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 11:27:12 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:27:11 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: slow-ass v. slow ass To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dcbike apparently not, I was kidding. thus the "logic" bs that followed as George Carlin said, "I'm always down for semantics" don't play with me unless you're ready to accept that I consist almost wholly of play. --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Thu, 01 March 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > > > > This is email after all, let's not start > correcting > > each other's grammar and spelling > > goodness gracious, can't anyone take a joke around > here???? > > LAG > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 11:53:40 2001 From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: dcbike Subject: RE: OT--slow-ass/Grammar Police Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:50:49 -0500 Actually, it does matter and it does not at the same time. Some things can be clearly understood regardless of which syLAble is accenTED. A smile, for instance is pretty universal in all cultures regardless of how many teeth show, how it is spelled, capitalized, or decorated with punctuation marks. Other things can vary widely based on the simple misplacement of a comma or a letter. I think I understand the intent of most of the list postings, irrespective the misplaced punctuation and misspellings. But sometimes, I am not exactly sure of the intent. However, if I were involved in judicial proceedings, I would most certainly want everyone on the same page as far as exacting communication goes. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Stefanon [mailto:jstefanon@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 11:27 AM To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dcbike Subject: Re: slow-ass v. slow ass apparently not, I was kidding. thus the "logic" bs that followed as George Carlin said, "I'm always down for semantics" don't play with me unless you're ready to accept that I consist almost wholly of play. --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Thu, 01 March 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > > > > This is email after all, let's not start > correcting > > each other's grammar and spelling > > goodness gracious, can't anyone take a joke around > here???? > > LAG > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 12:16:59 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:16:54 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: motorcycle online article "New AMA Initiative Against Cars" To: dcbike just think how safe the roads'll be without those nuisances! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 12:46:20 2001 From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: 4SALE: 1998 Honda VFR800 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:49:06 -0500 Encoding: 30 TEXT Man, this is a sweet deal. Bruce's bike is cherry and I can speak to the fact that he has maintained it well. Why are you selling it Bruce? Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:05 AM, Bruce Norton [SMTP:bnorton@XXXXXX] wrote: > 1998 Honda VFR800 > 19,000 miles > Good condition, always garaged, runs perfect. > Dunlop D207 tires have less than 1000 miles on them. > Bike is located in Leesburg, VA > > $6000 FIRM > > ( www.kbb.com value $7855 ) > ( www.nada.com value $6690 in avg condition) > > > Contact bnorton@XXXXXX directly if you have any questions. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 12:52:15 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:52:13 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike Interesting article - Keith Code's "No B.S. (No Body Steering)" Bike with fixed handlebars proves motorcycle do not steer with body weight. http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/out/0102BOODWFAP.html Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 13:25:22 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:25:15 -0800 (PST) From: "aaronspencerward@XXXXXX" To: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike I swear I have steered my bike with my hands off the handlebars. Aaron On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Chris Norloff wrote: > Interesting article - Keith Code's "No B.S. (No Body Steering)" Bike > with fixed handlebars proves motorcycle do not steer with body weight. > > http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/out/0102BOODWFAP.html > > Chris Norloff > __________________________________________________________________________ Aaron S. Ward aaronspencerward@XXXXXX Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 13:25:21 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:25:19 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: dcbike Amazing that there ever was a controversy when anybody with a friggin TIG welder could've done what Code has done and proven what Code seems to have proven. This reminds me of a cool-ass article on bicycle dynamics where this dude tried to make an unridable bicycle, as apposed to Code's bike, which is ridable but not steerable. He succeeded, but the findings were very interesting regarding gyroscopic effects, the effects of rake and trail, and so forth. I don't remember who wrote it or in what, but if anyone is curious as to how to make an unridable bike, I have the articles at home and can get reference info. If you just don't give a shit, well that's ok, too. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > Interesting article - Keith Code's "No B.S. (No Body > Steering)" Bike with fixed handlebars proves > motorcycle do not steer with body weight. > > http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/out/0102BOODWFAP.html > > Chris Norloff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 13:32:10 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: DC-Cycles I have done it with no hands on a bicycle, but if you notice when you lean it makes the bars turn. --- "aaronspencerward@XXXXXX" wrote: > > I swear I have steered my bike with my hands off the > handlebars. > > Aaron > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Chris Norloff wrote: > > Interesting article - Keith Code's "No B.S. (No > Body Steering)" Bike > > with fixed handlebars proves motorcycle do not > steer with body weight. > > > > > http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/out/0102BOODWFAP.html > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Aaron S. Ward > aaronspencerward@XXXXXX > Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, > not the destination > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 13:39:56 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:39:55 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: dcbike I know for a fact a bicycle can be consistently steered with the hands totally elsewhere. maybe those handlebars are such a distraction to the rider that they are not using the footpegs. maybe the zx-6r just has too much steering damper. the results, unfortunately, of Code's research are not presented in any scientific way. we have no way of knowing if Code even used scientific method. It seems like he's come up with an apparatus that could give conclusive results. I would like to see a bike with a fixed steering head, but where would they find a volunteer to try to turn that? --- "aaronspencerward@XXXXXX" wrote: > > I swear I have steered my bike with my hands off the > handlebars. > > Aaron > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Chris Norloff wrote: > > Interesting article - Keith Code's "No B.S. (No > Body Steering)" Bike > > with fixed handlebars proves motorcycle do not > steer with body weight. > > > > > http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/out/0102BOODWFAP.html > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Aaron S. Ward > aaronspencerward@XXXXXX > Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, > not the destination > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 13:42:05 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:40:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike I can see how body lean/position would not steer the bike.....the gyroscopic effect caused by the spinning front wheel keeps the bike standing straight up. By applying pressure to the bars, you're changing the vector characteristics of the gyroscope (front wheel) resulting in the bike turning. If you look at pictures of bikes on tracks in a serious lean, you will sometimes actually see the bike's front wheel pointing in a direction contrary to the path being pursued by the bike! You can see such a pic by clicking the following links. http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/countersteering.jpg (I'm sure I'm horribly wrong, or right for the wrong reasons. Let the flames/corrections begin.) -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 13:48:49 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:47:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike depending on how heavy the bike is relative to you, it's speed and slope of pavement you can turn a bike with just body lean but it will be a very shallow and inprecise turn. You can do it on bicycles rather easily. But in a bicycle the mass of the rider is about 10+ times that of the vehhicle. Plus, the spinning inertia of a bicyle wheel is negligible compared to the likes of a MC wheel. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 13:56:24 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:56:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike yeah a fixed steering head is the real criteria for a honest test. I mean, a fall or run=off into the pan at 30mph is hardly life threatening... I don't think it would be too hard at all. take a normal steering damper, cut notches into it and make a locking collar that prevents any kind of travel. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:01:29 2001 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: DC lane sharing Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:03:03 -0500 The Motorcycle Safety Agenda (someone posted last November) on page 51 quotes the Hurt Report that traveling between lanes of stopped or slow moving cars on multiple lane roads slightly reduces crash frequency . . . One recommendation is "Study the safety implications of lane splitting" FWIW, ! 10 years ago, I was ticketed in Arlington for driving a half block between stopped cars and going into a parking lot (my destination). The cop followed me into the computer store. Cop didn't show up at court. Matthew Patton, concluded "Given the seemingly universal sheer incompetence of American drivers regardless of caste, I'd say we'd have rather more carnage. It's almost like we should have graduated licensing on CARS and trucks. If only driver education was actually stringent." Tis a shame that the auto industry (with gummimint prodding) has improved the safety of automobiles greatly over the past four decades -- yet if anything -- the competence of operators seems to have decreased. Maybe it's a combination of the greater comfort and safety of their cages. "BDC" is in common use on motorcycle lists. I think it is because as motorcyclists we've had additional training, we are (generally) in a higher position to view more traffic (antics), and we see more because to remain safe, we have to stay alert. As a result of our observational experience, a goodly number of automobile operators appear "Brain Dead" yet remain safe within their improved cages. Better training is needed. But, I suspect asking for more stringent licensing would be the political equivalent of a fart in church. However, the alternative is a worsening of the status quo. tg claimed, "i was in london over the summer. lane-splitting is legal there," Same with Spain especially Malaga. Paul in DC speculated, "I guess the Grid doesn't care that much about his reputation. He was clearly used in this situation." The Dr. seems to be not too bright (garage door, buying used car). But he successfully panders to the crowd. At one time his column appeared to be a forum for traffic woes in the metro area. Leon lamented, "You get less respect from the cagers than a motorcycle does and you don't have the power to get away from them." I try to always wave at Moped riders -- hey they're in the same pool as we but with less power -- sometime I get a return wave but more often it's just a incredulous look. Hmm, maybe it's the tooters. Carl in Bethesda Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:03:12 2001 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:06:44 -0500 AAAIIIEEE!!!! Weld yourself up a bike and try it. It will NOT turn. This is the whole point of Code's bike. The reason many, many people keep insisting they've done it "just by leaning" is that their leaning causes the front end to turn, and countersteer (usually by moving their weight one direction, then shifting it the other). If you weld the steering head so that it will not move, the bike will not turn. Not that this is a pet peeve of mine or anything... :-D - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:10:15 2001 From: Brian Roach To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: DC lane sharing Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:13:53 -0500 On Thu, 01 Mar 2001, Custer, Carl wrote: > Tis a shame that the auto industry (with gummimint prodding) has improved > the safety of automobiles greatly over the past four decades -- yet if > anything -- the competence of operators seems to have decreased. Maybe > it's a combination of the greater comfort and safety of their cages. I have a favorite saying in regard to this... "Manufacturers keep making things more and more idiot-proof. Unfortunatly the Universe keeps churning out better idiots." - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:14:03 2001 From: "Ahalan" To: Subject: RE: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:11:53 -0800 Motorcycle Consumer News has an article this month pitting Keith Code's arguments that only counter steering will steer a bike against other experienced and professional riders who claim otherwise. There is no mention of the "No B.S." bike, but the conclusion is that Keith Code is right, but you can cause counter steering when you push your weight to one side, even without deliberately moving the handlebars. Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:29:45 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:29:44 -0800 (PST) From: "aaronspencerward@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Brian Roach wrote: > Weld yourself up a bike and try it. It will NOT turn. This is the whole point > of Code's bike. Call me crazy, but after I read the article, it seemed that the point was to weld additional non-turning handlebars, not to prevent the front end from turning. > The reason many, many people keep insisting they've done it "just by leaning" > is that their leaning causes the front end to turn, and countersteer (usually > by moving their weight one direction, then shifting it the other). What you describe here is what Code has apparently "proven" impossible. He says moving your weight/shifting will NOT cause the bike to turn. > If you weld the steering head so that it will not move, the bike will > not turn. I agree, but after reading the article I can't see that this was done. They didn't prevent the front wheel from being turned; they just added another set of handlebars that were rigidly connected to the frame instead of the front end. My guess is that maybe he proved that throttle input has a greater effect on steering (when leaned over) than weight shifting, then some bonehead misinterpreted it on popular mechanics. But who knows until we get some more details. Aaron __________________________________________________________________________ Aaron S. Ward aaronspencerward@XXXXXX Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:30:40 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:30:36 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: dcbike Beware blather: one of the findings of the unridable bike article was a dimunition of the perceived importance of gyroscopic effect. however motos have much heavier gyros. as far as the front wheel not pointing in the direction of the turn, this is the nature of vehicle dynamics, whenever you're turning, you create slip angle, the degree of which determines how quicly you turn. slip angle is measured by the difference between where your tire is pointing and where your bike is headed, at any instantaneous moment. of course, everything gets a little fuzzy when you talk about motorcycles. It's damn near impossible to make a computer models that accurately depict the dynamic behavior of a bike, let alone an mc. the idea exists, though, that the cross-section of the motorcycle tire will cause the bike to turn if it can be leaned. essentially, the contact patch at any instantaneous point represents itself to the road as a conical section, when you are going straight the point of the cone is at or near infinity and thus seems to be cylindrical (like a wheel) by leaning the bike you change the aspect ratio of the conical section, indirectly creating slip angle. however, it is not easy to lean a bike on two wheels without any steering input. there are those who insist they can steer while wheelying by using the footpegs, but they are only on one wheel where theoretically it is easier to lean the bike. personally I like to wait for the front wheel to come down. that's basically motorcycle dynamics as quickly as I can recite it. all of this means nothing to most riders, because, let's face it, motorcycles work pretty damn nicely as is. However, this is important to those of us who are dedicated to, or curious about, the idea of swingarm front suspension systems. Don't forget, none of the engineers who came up with this shit can explain why I can steer a bicycle with my ass. It seems to me that what Keith Code has shown is that the normal rider does not have the skill set to lean a bike without steering input, whether it's possible or not. I believe it's possible because of the bicycle thing. Those of you who know more about statistics than I might insist that he hasn't proven anything at all, because we don't know where he got these riders. Until somebody tries to take a bike with a steering damper of near-infinite stiffness around Summit, it'll be hard to answer this question --- Sean Jordan wrote: > I can see how body lean/position would not steer the > bike.....the > gyroscopic effect caused by the spinning front wheel > keeps the bike > standing straight up. By applying pressure to the > bars, you're > changing the vector characteristics of the gyroscope > (front wheel) > resulting in the bike turning. If you look at > pictures of bikes on > tracks in a serious lean, you will sometimes > actually see the bike's > front wheel pointing in a direction contrary to the > path being > pursued by the bike! > > You can see such a pic by clicking the following > links. > > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/countersteering.jpg > > (I'm sure I'm horribly wrong, or right for the wrong > reasons. Let the > flames/corrections begin.) > > > > > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of > death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA Novice #230 > MARRC member #3038 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:30:49 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:30:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: 4SALE: 1998 Honda VFR800 To: Danny Thompson , "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" st4-s! st4-s! st-4s! or, just a plain ol' 929rr :( ;) --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Man, this is a sweet deal. Bruce's bike is cherry and I > can speak to the fact > that he has maintained it well. Why are you selling it > Bruce? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:33:15 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:33:13 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: dcbike Well, if Code's steering held was welded, then I just wasted a whole lot of finger-skin over nothing, because that fucker will not turn. I assumed it wasn't welded, because why two sets of bars if it was? --- Brian Roach wrote: > > AAAIIIEEE!!!! > > Weld yourself up a bike and try it. It will NOT > turn. This is the whole point > of Code's bike. > > The reason many, many people keep insisting they've > done it "just by leaning" > is that their leaning causes the front end to turn, > and countersteer (usually > by moving their weight one direction, then shifting > it the other). If you > weld the steering head so that it will not move, the > bike will not turn. > > Not that this is a pet peeve of mine or anything... > :-D > > - Roach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:36:35 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:36:33 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: DC lane sharing To: dcbike it's sad that the standard cagers relative obtuseness, which we use BDC to describe, is in fact likely to leave us as bikers actually brain dead. --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > The Motorcycle Safety Agenda (someone posted last > November) on page 51 > quotes the Hurt Report that traveling between lanes > of stopped or slow > moving cars on multiple lane roads slightly reduces > crash frequency . . . > One recommendation is "Study the safety implications > of lane splitting" > > FWIW, ! 10 years ago, I was ticketed in Arlington > for driving a half block > between stopped cars and going into a parking lot > (my destination). The cop > followed me into the computer store. Cop didn't > show up at court. > > Matthew Patton, concluded "Given the seemingly > universal sheer incompetence > of American drivers regardless of caste, I'd say > we'd have rather more > carnage. It's almost like we should have graduated > licensing on CARS and > trucks. If only driver education was actually > stringent." > Tis a shame that the auto industry (with gummimint > prodding) has improved > the safety of automobiles greatly over the past four > decades -- yet if > anything -- the competence of operators seems to > have decreased. Maybe it's > a combination of the greater comfort and safety of > their cages. > "BDC" is in common use on motorcycle lists. I think > it is because as > motorcyclists we've had additional training, we are > (generally) in a higher > position to view more traffic (antics), and we see > more because to remain > safe, we have to stay alert. As a result of our > observational experience, a > goodly number of automobile operators appear "Brain > Dead" yet remain safe > within their improved cages. > Better training is needed. But, I suspect asking > for more stringent > licensing would be the political equivalent of a > fart in church. However, > the alternative is a worsening of the status quo. > > tg claimed, "i was in london over the summer. > lane-splitting is legal > there," > Same with Spain especially Malaga. > > Paul in DC speculated, "I guess the Grid doesn't > care that much about his > reputation. He was clearly used in this situation." > The Dr. seems to be not too bright (garage door, > buying used car). But he > successfully panders to the crowd. At one time his > column appeared to be a > forum for traffic woes in the metro area. > > Leon lamented, "You get less respect from the cagers > than a motorcycle does > and you don't have the power to get away from them." > I try to always wave at Moped riders -- hey they're > in the same pool as we > but with less power -- sometime I get a return wave > but more often it's just > a incredulous look. Hmm, maybe it's the tooters. > > Carl in Bethesda > Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: > http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg > http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab > re.jpg > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:37:53 2001 From: Brian Roach To: Justin Stefanon , dcbike Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:41:32 -0500 On a motorcycle or bicycle, if the bike is turning, the front end has turned. If you take Code's class or read his books you'll see his point is that at speed, a bike turns because the front is countersteered. If you understand and accept this, you can improve your technique and skill. Yes, you can get a bike or motorcycle to turn to some degree without touching the handlebars - but whatever it is you're doing is making the front end turn - that is Code's point. It also isn't going to get you around a 90 degree turn - wiggling around in the seat *might* get you about 5 degrees. IMHO, this isn't turning... it's a mild trajectory change at best. His whole teaching theory is to not waste time and attention on unnecessay things because you only have a limited amount. He teaches that the one and only way a bike turns is via countersteering, and that the *best* way to countersteer is to use the handlebars and not waste time and attention trying to do it some other way. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:38:07 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:38:05 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: dcbike maybe i've been too pessimistic in insisting nobody would ride such a bike in the interest of science. I know I would, and I'm not even nuts enough to race motorcycles. or is it just that I'm too poor/married? --- Matthew Patton wrote: > yeah a fixed steering head is the real criteria for > a honest test. I mean, a fall or run=off into the > pan at 30mph is hardly life threatening... I don't > think it would be too hard at all. take a normal > steering damper, cut notches into it and make a > locking collar that prevents any kind of travel. > -- > > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is > restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > Powered by Outblaze __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:43:44 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: dcbike well, I wouldn't argue with code's point at all. his skill as a teacher is widely acknowledged. but a bogus scientific experiment to prove a pedagogical technique don't suit me. I can get around pretty well on the bicycle with my hands full, but when lean angle exceeds about 15-20 degrees, confidence goes right out the window. btw 90 is just 5X18, knowwhumsayin? --- Brian Roach wrote: > > On a motorcycle or bicycle, if the bike is turning, > the front end has turned. > If you take Code's class or read his books you'll > see his point is that at > speed, a bike turns because the front is > countersteered. If you understand > and accept this, you can improve your technique and > skill. > > Yes, you can get a bike or motorcycle to turn to > some degree without touching > the handlebars - but whatever it is you're doing is > making the front end turn > - that is Code's point. It also isn't going to get > you around a 90 degree > turn - wiggling around in the seat *might* get you > about 5 degrees. IMHO, > this isn't turning... it's a mild trajectory change > at best. > > His whole teaching theory is to not waste time and > attention on unnecessay > things because you only have a limited amount. He > teaches that the one and > only way a bike turns is via countersteering, and > that the *best* way to > countersteer is to use the handlebars and not waste > time and attention trying > to do it some other way. > > > - Roach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:44:18 2001 Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Content-Identifier: RE: DC lane shar Autoforwarded: FALSE Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:29:28 -0500 From: "Custer, Carl" Subject: RE: DC lane sharing To: "'roach(a)dcc-racing.org(p)inter2'" , "'DCCycles'" - Roach recalled, " I have a favorite saying in regard to this... > "Manufacturers keep making things more and more idiot-proof. Unfortunatly > the > Universe keeps churning out better idiots." [Custer, Carl] Or as my sweetie sez, "Mutha Nature is a bitch" From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:52:48 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:52:46 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: , Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Sean Jordan >If you look at pictures of bikes on >tracks in a serious lean, you will sometimes actually see the bike's >front wheel pointing in a direction contrary to the path being >pursued by the bike! >http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/countersteering.jpg (I couldn't get the picture to come up, but anyway ...) When you initiate countersteering, the steering turns the "wrong" way. The bike then leans, the steering turns the "right" way and the bike turns. This one-way-then-the-other of the front wheel is easy to observe if: 1) bike coming toward you and rider countersteers. particularly noticeable if the headlight is mounted to the front forks. 2) ride through a puddle in an otherwise dry parking lot. countersteer (remember you have less traction 'cause your tires are wet). Go back and look at the watermarks. The rider doesn't feel the steering move, he/she just feels the pressure in the handlebar. best, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:54:30 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:53:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: DC lane sharing To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'roach(a)dcc-racing.org(p)inter2'" , "'DCCycles'" "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > - Roach recalled, " I have a favorite saying in regard to this... > > "Manufacturers keep making things more and more idiot-proof. Unfortunatly > > the > > Universe keeps churning out better idiots." > [Custer, Carl] > Or as my sweetie sez, "Mutha Nature is a bitch" My favorite is "Fate is a fickle bitch with a sense of humor". -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:55:04 2001 From: Brian Roach To: Justin Stefanon , dcbike Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:58:41 -0500 On Thu, 01 Mar 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > the idea exists, though, that the > cross-section of the motorcycle tire will cause the > bike to turn if it can be leaned. essentially, the > contact patch at any instantaneous point represents > itself to the road as a conical section, when you are > going straight the point of the cone is at or near > infinity and thus seems to be cylindrical (like a > wheel) At speed, the sidewalls of a motorcycle tire flex and the contact patch is much more flat than conical (Unless, or course, you have filled the tire with so much air that it will not do so... at which point it slides). > there are those > who insist they can steer while wheelying by using the > footpegs, but they are only on one wheel where > theoretically it is easier to lean the bike. > personally I like to wait for the front wheel to come > down. This is completely true... you can easily steer a motorcycle on the rear wheel, the same way you can turn a Uni-cycle. With only one wheel making contact with the ground, the dynamics change completely. Weight can cause the wheel to rotate on the Z-axis because there's nothing (i.e. the front wheel) preventing it from doing so. If this were not true... Uni-cyclers would have real short trips and that guy who holds the record for riding a wheelie would need a REAL long, straight road rather than a big parking lot. :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 14:59:53 2001 Date: 1 Mar 2001 11:59:38 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: twilight zone Ok, someone correct me if I'm wrong...isn't Harry's site www.dc-cycles.org? if so, check it out...what the heck? Or am I just having a blonde moment? LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 15:01:07 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "dcbike" Subject: RE: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:59:54 -0500 Here's another example which may go some way toward complicating the discussion: Have you ever pushed a grocery cart and then hopped onto the back just for kicks while shopping? Have you noticed how impossible it was to steer the thing while you were on it? This isn't because the cart had lousy wheels (which it did). It was because the cart and yourself (as far as Ma Nature was concerned) were a single unit, and however you leaned away from or pushed on the cart, there was an equal and opposite reaction from the cart. This led the cart to follow the same path it did before you tried to turn it, and therefore landed you in the middle of a stack of discounted cans of lima beans. Before you realize that a cart has four wheels rather than two, consider this: A two-wheeled vehicle can be turned by turning the steering input (same as a car), but that will cause the same equal and opposite reaction as the grocery cart had, causing the bike to fall toward the opposite side as it was steered. In the case of a four-wheeled vehicle, this reaction takes the form of body lean or loss of wheel traction. The two-wheeled vehicle, when in a stable lean, is simply in a constant state of falling toward the opposite side of the steering input. Any comments? Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 15:01:36 2001 Date: 1 Mar 2001 12:01:30 -0800 To: jstefanon@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike On Thu, 01 March 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > > well, I wouldn't argue with code's point at all. his > skill as a teacher is widely acknowledged. but a > bogus scientific experiment to prove a pedagogical > technique don't suit me But sometimes, that is what people need to make it click in their brains...obvious proof of the theory. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 15:02:00 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:01:58 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: dcbike thinking back, I believe I was mistaken in referring to the contact patch as conical, but rather the section of tire which directly abuts the contact patch is conical. the carcass of the tire pulling on the contact patch, trying to restore it to conical cross-section, is probably what causes there to be a slip angle. what I'm sure of is no slip angle=no turn. Are there any REAL vehicle dynamicists out there? because I quit grad school before having to really understand all this noise. what makes two wheels easier to turn than one, other than balance, is that you're on two virtual cones instead of one. --- Brian Roach wrote: > On Thu, 01 Mar 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > > the idea exists, though, that the > > cross-section of the motorcycle tire will cause > the > > bike to turn if it can be leaned. essentially, > the > > contact patch at any instantaneous point > represents > > itself to the road as a conical section, when you > are > > going straight the point of the cone is at or near > > infinity and thus seems to be cylindrical (like a > > wheel) > > At speed, the sidewalls of a motorcycle tire flex > and the contact patch is > much more flat than conical (Unless, or course, you > have filled the tire with > so much air that it will not do so... at which point > it slides). > > > there are those > > who insist they can steer while wheelying by using > the > > footpegs, but they are only on one wheel where > > theoretically it is easier to lean the bike. > > personally I like to wait for the front wheel to > come > > down. > > This is completely true... you can easily steer a > motorcycle on the rear > wheel, the same way you can turn a Uni-cycle. With > only one wheel making > contact with the ground, the dynamics change > completely. Weight can cause the > wheel to rotate on the Z-axis because there's > nothing (i.e. the front wheel) > preventing it from doing so. If this were not > true... Uni-cyclers would have > real short trips and that guy who holds the record > for riding a wheelie would > need a REAL long, straight road rather than a big > parking lot. :) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 15:03:36 2001 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'roach(a)dcc-racing.org(p)inter2'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: DC lane sharing Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:05:13 -0500 > My favorite is "Fate is a fickle bitch with a sense of humor". [Custer, Carl] "T'aint funny McGee" Not, when she's the one behind the wheel of the 4 X 4 =8^O Or the ^%$# taxi sliding sideways in the slippery snow. :^< Carl in Bethesda (still nursing the knee) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 15:06:48 2001 From: Brian Roach To: Justin Stefanon , dcbike Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:10:27 -0500 On Thu, 01 Mar 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > Well, if Code's steering held was welded, then I just > wasted a whole lot of finger-skin over nothing, > because that fucker will not turn. I assumed it > wasn't welded, because why two sets of bars if it was? It's not - I was making a point that if it WAS, you wouldn't turn. The article clouds what he teaches a bit, and what the bike is supposed to show people, I think.... then we got off on a discusion about physics. People who take his class will often claim they turn their bike, and I mean *turn* their bike, by leaning (or with the footpegs, etc) ... not countersteering with the bars. He will politely try and explain that this isn't the case... some people get it, some people smirk and think they know more than he does. These students are actually countersteering... they just don't know it. His bike proves this to them because when they try and steer it the way they normally do... remarkably, it does't turn (except maybe the tiny aforementioned 5%) This was the point I was trying to make... that you countersteer a bike, no mateer what you're doing to achieve that. Yes, I can ride a bicycle no handed too :) I think if you practiced and practiced, you could use weight shifting to get the front end of a motorcycle to countersteer enough to actually turn... I also think you'd fall down a LOT practicing it, LOL. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 15:08:40 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:08:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike > alone an mc. the idea exists, though, that the > cross-section of the motorcycle tire will cause the > bike to turn if it can be leaned. essentially, the > contact patch at any instantaneous point represents > itself to the road as a conical section, when you are > going straight the point of the cone is at or near > infinity and thus seems to be cylindrical (like a > wheel) by leaning the bike you change the aspect ratio > of the conical section, indirectly creating slip > angle. however, it is not easy to lean a bike on two > wheels without any steering input. there are those assuming a welded, immobal front end: since when you lean the bike over the wheel circumfrance is shorter the front end will have to spin faster. Depending on traction and the like the front may indeed push (aka slide) in a straight line or depending on vehicular mass/balance/what have you, that vector may move off to one side somewhat. That then can cause a turn but as and others have said it's only a matter of a few degrees if that. The bike sure won't stay stable though. Bryan, I'm not contradicting Keith at all. I think he's 100% correct. > who insist they can steer while wheelying by using the footpegs, but they are only on one wheel where I believe this has to do with changing contact patch shape, angle, and direction by repositioning CG and balance points. > this shit can explain why I can steer a bicycle with > my ass. because your weight xfer is causing slight deflections in the front wheel yoke. Ie, you're actually turning the front end, even if it's a couple degrees. > not. I believe it's possible because of the bicycle > thing. Those of you who know more about statistics If you weighed 3500lbs and rode a 350lb bike you'd see the same dynamics on a MC as you do your bicycle. On a bicycle YOU are the major source of CG and mass. On an MC it's the other way around. Actually I'd hazard a guess that if you were to fit bicycle tires of the same rotating mass as a MC wheel, you'd have a damn hard time getting that bike to steer by just using your ass. No matter if you're a "slow ass" or just a "slow-ass". -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 15:09:59 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:09:57 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: twilight zone To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Looks like Harry was having some fun. Glenn --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Ok, someone correct me if I'm wrong...isn't Harry's > site www.dc-cycles.org? if so, check it out...what > the heck? Or am I just having a blonde moment? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 15:33:49 2001 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:33:24 EST Subject: Re: twilight zone To: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/2001 3:12:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Looks like Harry was having some fun. Glenn --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Ok, someone correct me if I'm wrong...isn't Harry's > site www.dc-cycles.org? if so, check it out...what > the heck? Or am I just having a blonde moment? >> That was good Harry. I'm convinced. The future is NOW!!!! :-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 16:01:01 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:00:59 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: dcbike Code knows what he's doing. Popular mechanics is what would happen if scientists worked at wal-mart --- Brian Roach wrote: > On Thu, 01 Mar 2001, Justin Stefanon wrote: > > Well, if Code's steering held was welded, then I > just > > wasted a whole lot of finger-skin over nothing, > > because that fucker will not turn. I assumed it > > wasn't welded, because why two sets of bars if it > was? > > It's not - I was making a point that if it WAS, you > wouldn't turn. > > The article clouds what he teaches a bit, and what > the bike is supposed to > show people, I think.... then we got off on a > discusion about physics. > > People who take his class will often claim they turn > their bike, and I mean > *turn* their bike, by leaning (or with the footpegs, > etc) ... not > countersteering with the bars. He will politely try > and explain that this > isn't the case... some people get it, some people > smirk and think they know > more than he does. > > These students are actually countersteering... they > just don't know it. His > bike proves this to them because when they try and > steer it the way they > normally do... remarkably, it does't turn (except > maybe the tiny > aforementioned 5%) > > This was the point I was trying to make... that you > countersteer a bike, no > mateer what you're doing to achieve that. Yes, I can > ride a bicycle no handed > too :) I think if you practiced and practiced, you > could use weight shifting > to get the front end of a motorcycle to countersteer > enough to actually > turn... I also think you'd fall down a LOT > practicing it, LOL. > > - Roach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 16:12:02 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:11:57 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: dcbike however, theoretically, the dynamics are identical. it's only a matter of degree, change the values of all of the variables involved and you seem to get a different behavior, but we're really only talking about different extremes of the same behavior. it's not scientific to say that you can't steer a motorcycle without countersteering, just that it's a stupid notion to believe you can ride like that. Keith Code chose to defy science in order to dispell some seriously stupid notions, for which I don't fault him. as usual PM blew everything out of proportion. I was then inclined to do likewise. --- Matthew Patton wrote: > depending on how heavy the bike is relative to you, > it's speed and slope of pavement you can turn a bike > with just body lean but it will be a very shallow > and inprecise turn. You can do it on bicycles rather > easily. But in a bicycle the mass of the rider is > about 10+ times that of the vehhicle. Plus, the > spinning inertia of a bicyle wheel is negligible > compared to the likes of a MC wheel. > -- > > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is > restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > Powered by Outblaze __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 16:15:52 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:10:10 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "aaronspencerward@XXXXXX" CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike I know I have - piloted my old Suzuki most of the way across NH with no touchy. But tiny wieght shifts AKA body nudges do make the handlebars move slightly in response to the lean. Bill aaronspencerward@XXXXXX wrote: > I swear I have steered my bike with my hands off the handlebars. > > Aaron > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Chris Norloff wrote: > > Interesting article - Keith Code's "No B.S. (No Body Steering)" Bike > > with fixed handlebars proves motorcycle do not steer with body weight. > > > > http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/out/0102BOODWFAP.html > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Aaron S. Ward aaronspencerward@XXXXXX > Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 16:19:38 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:19:36 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: RE: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike To: dcbike raise your hand if you know what a shopping cart looks like at 50mph. my hand is up if you really want to play with this piece of dynamics, get on an adult tricycle (without the VW engine, the kind they sell in bicycle shops). get that inside wheel up and you can really turn that mutha fast. it feels counter-intuitive becuz your body's leaning to the outside of the curve, but it's the same principle. those things arent really designed for stunts, but you can get 'em to bunny hop, too. if you bust it, don't tell your grandma i made you break her trike. --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > Here's another example which may go some way toward > complicating the > discussion: > > Have you ever pushed a grocery cart and then hopped > onto the back just for > kicks while shopping? Have you noticed how > impossible it was to steer the > thing while you were on it? This isn't because the > cart had lousy wheels > (which it did). It was because the cart and yourself > (as far as Ma Nature > was concerned) were a single unit, and however you > leaned away from or > pushed on the cart, there was an equal and opposite > reaction from the cart. > This led the cart to follow the same path it did > before you tried to turn > it, and therefore landed you in the middle of a > stack of discounted cans of > lima beans. > > Before you realize that a cart has four wheels > rather than two, consider > this: A two-wheeled vehicle can be turned by turning > the steering input > (same as a car), but that will cause the same equal > and opposite reaction as > the grocery cart had, causing the bike to fall > toward the opposite side as > it was steered. In the case of a four-wheeled > vehicle, this reaction takes > the form of body lean or loss of wheel traction. The > two-wheeled vehicle, > when in a stable lean, is simply in a constant state > of falling toward the > opposite side of the steering input. > > Any comments? > > Chris Weaver > VTR, YSR, www.dccycles.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 16:58:43 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:32:52 -0800 (PST) From: "aaronspencerward@XXXXXX" To: Christopher Weaver cc: dcbike Subject: RE: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Christopher Weaver wrote: > Here's another example which may go some way toward complicating the > discussion: > Have you ever pushed a grocery cart and then hopped onto the back just for > kicks while shopping? Have you noticed how impossible it was to steer the I think that gyroscopic precession exists. I believe in it. A grocery cart cannot roll/lean along the axis of travel the way a motorcycle/bicycle does, so the turnable wheels that are used to steer do not get turned by precession on the cart. Please note that when you put the steering input to the wheel, it will also precess on the roll/lean axis. The cart wheels can't roll on their own axes of travel, but a motorcycle does. Precession rolls the motorcycle over, just as rolling a motorcycle precesses the wheel to turn. You can roll a bike over by shifting your weight, precessing the front tire into a turn. You can't roll a cart. Also note that the wheel turns in the direction of the lean when you roll/lean a bike to the side. However, if you turn the handlebars, the wheel precesses the bike to lean out of the turn, thus enforcing a countersteer. You can try this with a bicycle too. Spin the front tire with the bike off the ground, then lean the bike to a side. The handlebars/wheel will turn into the lean. Turn the handlebars, and the bike will lean the opposite way. __________________________________________________________________________ Aaron S. Ward aaronspencerward@XXXXXX Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 17:49:21 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Carrying an extra Helmet? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What is the best way to carry an extra helmet for a future passenger? I have a nylon elastic cargo net, but it doesn't seem to work very well in securing the helmet. There is no passenger rail on my bike either from which to attach it. I know one way is to loop it around your left arm (popular in Argentina)... Ahh, Other ideas? Adam Reinhardt '89 CBR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 18:35:28 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Plenty BS Bike To: dcbike Said to see such a silly string (not to be confused with Silly-StringTM) put to rest. So many attempts to describe complex dynamical systems by focusing on a single point in space can only fail. I feel that someday mankind will understand all of the intricacies of the human mind, time&space, and motorcycle dynamics. I hope not in that order. I'm shocked that nobody bit on the shopping cart thing. Maybe tomorrow? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 19:18:56 2001 To: LAURA GRANATO cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: twilight zone Content-ID: <18547.983492290.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:18:10 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >Ok, someone correct me if I'm wrong...isn't Harry's site www.dc-cycles.org? >if so, check it out...what the heck? Or am I just having a blonde moment? The dc-cycles content distribution infrastructure makes use of facilities provided by Meretrix Technologies, and is located at the data center at Meretrix global headquarters. As a result of a recent capacity upgrade, for a short time the Meretrix corporate web page, normally accessible as www.meretrix.com, was displayed when Internet users requested the www.dc-cycles.org web page. Within minutes of the problem's first detection, a team of engineers was assembled to investigate the problem, determine the core cause, and plan a remedying course of action. As a result of this prompt response, this problem should clear up entirely within an hour or so of this announcement. The problem was not a result of any wrong-doing by Meretrix Technologies nor dc-cycles management and staff, but resulted from faulty equipment provided by other vendors. Meretrix feels that there is no basis for a class action lawsuit filed by dc-cycles subscribers. Meretrix and dc-cycles have taken measures to ensure that a similar failure could not occur in the future. -harry p.s. It is the policy of Meretrix Technologies to not comment on rumors, and as such it neither confirms nor denies that its primary global data center is located under a desk in Harry's dining room. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 21:38:26 2001 From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: , Subject: Spare helmet Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:36:02 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0A297.9D530900 What is the best way to carry an extra helmet for a future passenger? I have a nylon elastic cargo net, but it doesn't seem to work very well in securing the helmet. =20 Adam, I ride a ' 99 CBR and a relatively new bungee that's not all = stretched seems to work well for me.Also, I use a tail bag that bungee's = to the bike well and is large enough to hold a full face helmet. It has = side pouches on the sides and a spot in the back for maps or whatever. = It protects the helmet petty good also in case you don't find that = passenger. Mine folds up small enough to store under the seat, and comes = with a rain cover. Any way... good luck. Kevin 1999 CBR 900 RR ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0A297.9D530900
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0A297.9D530900-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 21:48:56 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: 98 VFR for sale Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:47:13 -0500 From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: 4SALE: 1998 Honda VFR800 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:04:58 -0500 1998 Honda VFR800 19,000 miles Good condition, always garaged, runs perfect. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Dunlop D207 tires have less than 1000 miles on them. Bike is located in Leesburg, VA $6000 FIRM ( www.kbb.com value $7855 ) ( www.nada.com value $6690 in avg condition) Contact bnorton@XXXXXX directly if you have any questions. --------------------------------------- Make that "Excellent Condition". Bruce is very mechanically inclined and only second in his fastidious attitudes to Glenn Dysart. The bike is worth a look for anyone interested in a 98VFR. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 1 22:27:24 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:27:25 -0500 From: Larry Meyer To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Moving sale at Cycle Sport Springfield Service team - Ed and Bob went to Powerride formerly Coleman right? Any chance they'll have influence and improve things? If not, service just got real inconvenient for this non-wrencher. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > As I mentioned a week or so ago, Cycle Sport Springfield is moving to > Alexandria. > > {snip} > > Now they just need a new service team. > > Louis From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 07:05:11 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 04:05:10 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Channel 4 Traffic Babe Goes to Daytona To: DCC I've always suspected that the traffic girl was up to no good. Turns out she's a biker. As part of the inane patter that seems to take up 50% of local news broadcasts, she mentioned she was going to Daytona. One of the other yucksters said, "Oh do you have a Harley!?" She stopped them cold (for a second) when she said, "Yes." :) Traffic reporter rides a bike. Hmmm... Kinda like a priest being a marriage counselor, isn't it? ;) Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 07:15:31 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:09:53 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Scratch CC: DCC Subject: Re: Channel 4 Traffic Babe Goes to Daytona Scratch wrote: > I've always suspected that the traffic girl was up to > no good. Turns out she's a biker. > > As part of the inane patter that seems to take up 50% > of local news broadcasts, she mentioned she was going > to Daytona. One of the other yucksters said, "Oh do > you have a Harley!?" She stopped them cold (for a > second) when she said, "Yes." :) > > Traffic reporter rides a bike. Hmmm... Kinda like a > priest being a marriage counselor, isn't it? ;) Well, she could be like a priest/marriage counselor - she *has* a Harley but never actually rides it. Mayor of Daytona Beach: "Where the did all these f*****g trailers come from?" Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 07:22:35 2001 From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: Sat. ride? Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:20:01 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A2E9.31E75DE0 Are there any rides Saturday? If not I might be riding around 11:00 or = 12:00. Probably the back roads of Stafford and Faulkier Co. You may Join = me if you like. Let me know tonight. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A2E9.31E75DE0
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A2E9.31E75DE0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 08:35:00 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:34:58 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "William J. Huson" CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Keith Code's "No B.S." Bike I've steered with no hands, too. I think there are two points: 1. motorcycles can be steered by body weight, but this is just minor corrections to a given course, not going around street corners (for example) 2. the steering must be able to move for the bike to turn. locked steering would likely result in an unrideable bike. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "William J. Huson" Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:10:10 -0500 >I know I have - piloted my old Suzuki most of the way across NH with no >touchy. But tiny wieght shifts AKA body nudges do make the handlebars move >slightly in response to the lean. > >Bill > >aaronspencerward@XXXXXX wrote: > >> I swear I have steered my bike with my hands off the handlebars. >> >> Aaron >> >> On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Chris Norloff wrote: >> > Interesting article - Keith Code's "No B.S. (No Body Steering)" Bike >> > with fixed handlebars proves motorcycle do not steer with body weight. >> > >> > http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/out/0102BOODWFAP.html >> > >> > Chris Norloff >> > >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> Aaron S. Ward aaronspencerward@XXXXXX >> Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 08:39:33 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:39:31 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Harry Mantakos CC: Subject: Re: twilight zone ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Harry Mantakos >The problem was not a result of any wrong-doing by Meretrix >Technologies nor dc-cycles management and staff, but resulted >from faulty equipment provided by other vendors. Meretrix feels >that there is no basis for a class action lawsuit filed by dc-cycles >subscribers. Meretrix and dc-cycles have taken measures to ensure >that a similar failure could not occur in the future. >-harry Not good enough. We must HANG THE BLAGGARDS! there, I feel much better now. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 08:47:32 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 05:45:33 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Motorcycle Dynamics (was countersteering) To: jstefanon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For the engineers, scientists, and other eggheads among us, there is an interesting, albeit highly technical, website describing the dynamics of motorcycle turning, engines, suspensions (forks v. telever), high-sides, low-sides etc. at http://www.mecc.unipd.it/~cos/DINAMOTO/indexmoto.html These fellows use some type of proprietary 3D mechanical modeling software to model the physics of motorcycles, and come to some conclusions which are interesting in light of the flame wars that erupt from time-to-time. On braking, the moto-scientists come to the conclusion that in high-friction conditions, the front-rear brake ratio should be 90%:10%. (Sure, we all knew that.) But in lower friction conditions (e.g., rain) "the importance of the rear braking force is not negligible, as in high friction condition," and the optimum ratio for maximum braking is closer to 55%:45% (depending on the weight distribution on the motorcycle). Also, they explain how, when "approaching a turn, the rear brake contributes to the motorcycle directional stability." Check it out. Aaron M. '98 Triumph Speed Triple (green, of course) ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 09:55:26 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:55:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Channel 4 Traffic Babe Goes to Daytona At 07:05 AM 3/2/01, you wrote: >Traffic reporter rides a bike. Hmmm... Kinda like a >priest being a marriage counselor, isn't it? ;) Maybe she met through Jim Vance. He is a rider. Although he has been known to say some stupid moto related stuff in the past. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 10:40:32 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:40:31 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: Channel 4 Traffic Babe Goes to Daytona To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Maybe she met through Jim Vance. Yeah. She said she is going to Daytona with Jim Vance. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 11:15:26 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:15:09 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Carrying an extra Helmet? I can fit an extra helmet in my tank bag or on top of it but I usually just use a cargo net to strap it to the back seat. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 11:32:48 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:32:45 -0500 Subject: HOV nonsense and the cops While chowing down on some otherworldly good ribs last night I chatted up a State Trooper who was also enjoying his pulled pork sandwich at Anna's BBQ Heaven. (BTW, Bikenight there, anyone?) I asked what a civilian call-in would result in. And he said that unless you the offended party was going to press charges that they'll do nothing. Sending a letter in the mail would amount to harassment, supposedly. So, another point of view to balance with the desk seargents'. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 12:31:15 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:28:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Old bikes rule! To: GS List Well, the front brake pads on my Concours are getting dangerously thin, but it was too nice to not ride to work today - so I crossed fingers and toes and went out to attempt to fire up the ol' Suzuki GS850G this morning. I bought the thing back in November as a project bike, and hadn't planned on really riding it much until I fixed up the weak brakes, marginal battery, slipping clutch, torn seat cover, weepy fork seals, worn out springs, dented front fender, and rusted bits. Probably should change the tires out, too, since they are looking a little ratty. I was able to change the filter and oil in the engine, gearcase, and final shaft drive (oh, how I love shaft drive!) and get it all inspected and legal before the weather got really crappy, at least. Not wanting the GS to just sit, I've been occasionally firing it up and taking it out for a spin on nice days this winter. I still get a kick out of riding it, but have had a couple of other projects surface recently (a free '87 Concours, and an old Chevy Conversion van) so I'm afraid it might get backburnered for a little while longer. Anyway, it's been 3 or 4 weeks since it's last ride, and I hoped there was still enough juice in the old battery to crank it over. If not, I'm stuck driving a 4-wheeler to work - yuck... Hope upon hope, prime gas, find neutral, full choke, couple of throttle twists, turn key, press button - crank, crank, crank, VROOOOOOMMMM!!!! Yes!!!! I'm starting to really like this old bike. Scurry back into the house, grab all my gear, and rush back outside while it warms up. Listen to it tickover, slight backfire in one cylinder - might have to take those carbs off and give 'em a good cleaning, too... Still, doesn't sound bad at all for a 19 year old bike... Have a nice little 20 mile ride to work, the Northern VA area commute takes on a slightly different perspective when I can't accelerate or brake as quickly as I am used to. Not really the bike's fault, once the brakes and clutch are fixed, and on better tires, this thing is gonna be a real hoot to ride harder. Anyway, for now I mellow out, putt along in the slow lane mostly, and just let events happen. Nice contrast to my usual ride... :) And I still had a nice big smile on my face when I got to work. It's amazing how just about any two-wheeled motorbike can put me in that kind of good mood. I'm looking forward (like usual) to the ride home. Ride on, Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 12:37:24 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:37:19 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: HOV nonsense and the cops ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Matthew Patton" >While chowing down on some otherworldly good ribs last night I chatted up a State Trooper who was also enjoying his pulled pork sandwich at Anna's BBQ Heaven. (BTW, Bikenight there, anyone?) > >I asked what a civilian call-in would result in. And he said that unless you the offended party was going to press charges that they'll do nothing. Okay, so the offended party (the motorcyclist who was pushed out of his lane) wants to press charges - what next? Will they actually go forward with traffic charges or is this limited to civil action where you have to show damages? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 14:17:05 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:17:02 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: GS850G/go-karts To: dcbike I. Horkster, I hadn't realized the GS was a recent acquisition. Any and all GS owners should take a look at www.gsresources.com oh, it's nice, very nice website, oh yes. cleaning the carbs is imperative, I can say that much. I have a Clymer manual which I'm pretty sure covers the 850. I know it's for big-bore GS_G, which isn't even what I have. If you think you might need it let me know. I've upgraded to the Suzu factory manual. II. whoever brought up the go-kart thing: remind me please of the name and location of the go-kart track, I might have a chance to check it out __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 14:52:26 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 13:51:11 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: GS850G/go-karts Hey Justin Here is the web site, they are near Sterling about a mile or two from the NOVA campus. http://www.allsportsgp.com/ I may go up on Sunday, if it isn't snowing too bad. George Cole 00 VFR 99 R6 for track days and general hooliganism >>> Justin Stefanon wrote "II. whoever brought up the go-kart thing: remind me please of the name and location of the go-kart track, I might have a chance to check it out" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 15:21:01 2001 From: Brian Roach To: "George Cole" , , Subject: Re: GS850G/go-karts Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:24:18 -0500 On Fri, 02 Mar 2001, George Cole wrote: > Here is the web site, they are near Sterling about a mile or two from the > NOVA campus. Sean, myself, and my friend Gil went last Tues and had a blast. It it quite possibly the most fun I've ever had racing go-carts, but it's a little on the pricey side. Not saying you don't get what you pay for - these little buggers are much closer to racing carts than the ones you drive at the beach, and can hit 30mph down the front stretch on the indoor track which really gives you a sense of going FAST. They give you lap times, top speed, etc. after each track session. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 15:33:27 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:31:45 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: GS850G/go-karts To: Justin Stefanon Cc: dcbike Justin Stefanon wrote: > > I. Horkster, > I hadn't realized the GS was a recent acquisition. Yep. But it was sort of upstaged by the free Concours I picked up New Year's Day... :) > Any and all GS owners should take a look at > www.gsresources.com Yep, good site. > cleaning the carbs is imperative, I can say that much. Yeah, I know... I'm just not too excited about doing it, I've rounded off my share of stubborn carb screws in the past... > I have a Clymer manual which I'm pretty sure covers > the 850. I know it's for big-bore GS_G, which isn't > even what I have. If you think you might need it let > me know. I've upgraded to the Suzu factory manual. Thanks, I've got a Haynes manual that is pretty much the same thing. Shows me just enough to get into trouble with. :) I always snicker when I read phrases like "Re-assembly is simply the reverse of removal" in tech manuals.... yeah right. Dale -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 16:28:48 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV nonsense continues.... Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 21:28:38 I can confirm what the trooper said. At 1:00 yesterday afternoon I swore out a complaint against the owner of the Lexus who tried to make a motorcycle sandwich out of me two weeks ago. After giving my statement the Fairfax County magistrate issued a warrant on the driver of the car. She had already admitted to a state trooper that she was actually in the HOV lanes at the same time I was, and drove next to me. What next: The trooper delivers the warrant to her sometime in the next few days. The tentative court date is May 17. The charge is a criminal charge of reckless driving. I did not get a choice of what she was charged with. The magistrate made that decision after hearing my story. Hey, where's Anna'? That sounds like a much more tasty subject.... Doug Allis >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: HOV nonsense and the cops >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:37:19 -0500 > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Matthew Patton" > >While chowing down on some otherworldly good ribs last night I chatted up >a State Trooper who was also enjoying his pulled pork sandwich at Anna's >BBQ Heaven. (BTW, Bikenight there, anyone?) > > > >I asked what a civilian call-in would result in. And he said that unless >you the offended party was going to press charges that they'll do nothing. > >Okay, so the offended party (the motorcyclist who was pushed out of his >lane) wants to press charges - what next? Will they actually go forward >with traffic charges or is this limited to civil action where you have to >show damages? > >Chris Norloff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 16:50:04 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:49:58 -0500 Subject: afternoon ride I couldn't resist the call of the openroad this afternoon. Didn't go far, just around the Centerville area and NW of it. Took me sport bike down Braddock road till it turned into dirt and gravel and kept on going. Did about 7 miles of the dirt until I got to the intersection with Goshen RD at which point there wasn't any hard-pack left - just inches deep of gravel. I decided that the better part of valor was to turn around. After all that time spent at 1/2 crouch, my legs were sore and quivering. If this is going to be anything like what Amer. SuperCamp is going to be, then I'm going to have one aching set of thights after just a partial day!! After all the dancing of the rear end (try some uphills on highly crowned roads), riding on tarmac after that exercise felt like I was on glass, it felt so incredibly smooth. On the way to get some fuel, I waved to 2 FFax county bike cops sitting by the side of the road looking fully bored. They pointedly looked away. Some brotherhood! Why are FFax police such pinheads? -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 20:50:30 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:50:28 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "Doug Allis" , "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: HOV nonsense continues.... Thanks for the details! Best wishes for a good outcome. I guess you're out of the loop now, since the charge is criminal it's the state against the Lexusian? best, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 21:28:38 >I can confirm what the trooper said. At 1:00 yesterday afternoon I swore >out a complaint against the owner of the Lexus who tried to make a >motorcycle sandwich out of me two weeks ago. After giving my statement the >Fairfax County magistrate issued a warrant on the driver of the car. She had >already admitted to a state trooper that she was actually in the HOV lanes >at the same time I was, and drove next to me. > >What next: The trooper delivers the warrant to her sometime in the next few >days. The tentative court date is May 17. The charge is a criminal charge of >reckless driving. I did not get a choice of what she was charged with. The >magistrate made that decision after hearing my story. > >Hey, where's Anna'? That sounds like a much more tasty subject.... > >Doug Allis > > >>From: "Chris Norloff" >>Reply-To: >>To: >>Subject: Re: HOV nonsense and the cops >>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:37:19 -0500 >> >>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>From: "Matthew Patton" >> >While chowing down on some otherworldly good ribs last night I chatted up >>a State Trooper who was also enjoying his pulled pork sandwich at Anna's >>BBQ Heaven. (BTW, Bikenight there, anyone?) >> > >> >I asked what a civilian call-in would result in. And he said that unless >>you the offended party was going to press charges that they'll do nothing. >> >>Okay, so the offended party (the motorcyclist who was pushed out of his >>lane) wants to press charges - what next? Will they actually go forward >>with traffic charges or is this limited to civil action where you have to >>show damages? >> >>Chris Norloff > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 2 22:21:46 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:21:45 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Traffic Babe Goes to Daytona/ "Bike" Week To: DC Cycles Yeah, on one of my last trips to Daytona I saw a biker wearing a T-Shirt that said "I survived TRAILER Week 2000." Always cracks me up but just about sums it up. -Corbett --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Well, she could be like a priest/marriage counselor > - she *has* a Harley > but never actually rides it. > > Mayor of Daytona Beach: "Where the did all these > f*****g trailers come > from?" > > Bill > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 3 09:36:48 2001 From: "deus exMachina" To: Subject: RE: DC Ride Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:36:59 -0500 Good morning.. I was posting info about a DC Ride not that long ago.. I've run into a few complications and that's why I haven't followed up on it. I went to fire up my bike a few weeks ago and found the battery was dead. I wasn't able to get a jump on, so I proceeded to remove what was needed to get at it. First was to get the seat off.. but in order to do that I needed to get into the small cargo case built into the K1. In the small cargo case is a latch that removes the seat.. However, I had my apartment broken into and these young fellows decided that a set of keys for a K1 would be a nice addition to their collection of stolen property. I had the key cut for the ignition, but it's a different lock for the cargo box. I could pay a lock smith to cut a key for the cargo box, but since there is actually three cargo boxes on the bike for which I have no keys, and yes all the locks are different, this was going to cost about 200$ for all of them. It's surprising how many locksmiths refuse to work on BMW locks. So my other option was to order new locks for the three cargo boxes. This was going to cost 140$ but at least I have matching keys. I am now in the process of waiting for 3 weeks until they arrive. I'll drill out the locks and replace them, gain access to my seat latch, in order to charge my battery, so I can get this DC-Ride on the road.. You don't realize how much you love to ride until you get yourself into a position where you can't just hop on and go. Sorry for the delay.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Brand [mailto:sbrand@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:43 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: STOLEN '99 Red CBRF4 > > > Unfortunately my intro message to the group is to report my bike > which was > stolen Wednesday (2/21) night or Thursday (2/22) morning. The punks got > into the supposedly secured parking garage of Skyline Towers in Falls > Church and cut the heavy padlocked chain which was fastened around my > rear-wheel (to a rail). I had a Kryptonite EV disc lock around the front > rotor. I removed the battery Wednesday morning to have a friend charge it. > > My motorcycle was a 1999 Red Honda CBR F4 with a D&D slip-on. It > has about > 6,300 miles with a Dunlop D207 on the front and a new Metzeler ME1 on the > rear. Virginia Tag, which most certainly has been removed, was 187741. > Small white yin/yang sticker between the seat and gas door on the tank. > > The garage has a security camera at the entrance, but nothing on > the exit. > Recovery isn't looking too promising. > > Take special care in securing your bikes!! > From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 3 13:23:53 2001 Subject: '83 Honda CX650C for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Tom Knapik" Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:23:38 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D04NMS69/04/M/IBM(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 03/03/2001 01:23:41 PM Okay all, help me out. I just put a deposit on a new bike so I need to sell my faithful Honda. Anybody out there looking for a shaft dirve? It comes with windshield and hard bags. Runs well, etc, etc. I'm asking $1000 OBO. Regards, Tom Knapik Federal SAP Deployment Focal Federal CSO-CRM/Siebel E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 3 16:50:41 2001 Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 16:50:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Tralier rental needed I was having some tint put on my truck today and the shop owner spotted my moto-related stickers. He is in need of a trailer for rent in mid June. Needs to haul three bikes to the beach. Anyone interested in renting their trailer for a week or know of a local rental service? Email me for the contact info. Thanks. MT ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 4 10:31:25 2001 To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: celticracing@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:30:31 -0500 Subject: More on MARRC Cornerworking!!! X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,13-14,16-20,22-49,51,53,55 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Steve pointed out the difference between Roger Lyle's Tune and Test Days and the MARRC track day. One thing about the MARRC track day, the day that Bill Scott donates is not entirely "free". It is provided in exchange for corner worker services. The money from the event then goes to support the needs of the club, which in turn supports the motorcycle racing community. Also, cornerworkers earn a free membership after performing X amount of work, and get free admission, food, and Volunteer Incentive Program (V.I.P.) . These tokens of appreciation can't begin to repay the corner workers for the countless hours spent in selfless dedication to the sport, so we try to make it up with our undying gratitude. If you see someone wearing a MARRC coat, you know that person didn't buy it. That person EARNED it. So, please consider checking it out at the first *WERA* weekend at Summit Point, April 21st. Again, get all the details at http://www.marrc.org Thanks, Tom On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:17:28 -0500 Brian Roach writes: > > > Arg... the argument is not relavent to this list, and in all > honesty, I gave > up caring. I wish you all the best in MARRC Political life :) > > MARRC has it's own agenda as does any organization, and for the most > part > it's all good. They do a great job cornerworking at Summit Point, > and provide > racers with 4 track days. A deal for $20 to be sure - they got my > $20. > > If you want to be involved with roadracing but don't want to race - > come on > out and cornerwork! I think anyone interested in the sport would > really enjoy > it and we appreciate you being there to pick us up from time to > time! If you > choose to join MARRC and donate $20 to the cause, that's all good > too. > > - Roach > Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 4 10:32:41 2001 To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: celticracing@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:31:35 -0500 Subject: More on MARRC Cornerworking!!! X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,13-14,16-20,22-49,51,53,55 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Steve pointed out the difference between Roger Lyle's Tune and Test Days and the MARRC track day. One thing about the MARRC track day, the day that Bill Scott donates is not entirely "free". It is provided in exchange for corner worker services. The money from the event then goes to support the needs of the club, which in turn supports the motorcycle racing community. Also, cornerworkers earn a free membership after performing X amount of work, and get free admission, food, and Volunteer Incentive Program (V.I.P.) . These tokens of appreciation can't begin to repay the corner workers for the countless hours spent in selfless dedication to the sport, so we try to make it up with our undying gratitude. If you see someone wearing a MARRC coat, you know that person didn't buy it. That person EARNED it. So, please consider checking it out at the first *WERA* weekend at Summit Point, April 21st. Again, get all the details at http://www.marrc.org Thanks, Tom On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:17:28 -0500 Brian Roach writes: > > > Arg... the argument is not relavent to this list, and in all > honesty, I gave > up caring. I wish you all the best in MARRC Political life :) > > MARRC has it's own agenda as does any organization, and for the most > part > it's all good. They do a great job cornerworking at Summit Point, > and provide > racers with 4 track days. A deal for $20 to be sure - they got my > $20. > > If you want to be involved with roadracing but don't want to race - > come on > out and cornerwork! I think anyone interested in the sport would > really enjoy > it and we appreciate you being there to pick us up from time to > time! If you > choose to join MARRC and donate $20 to the cause, that's all good > too. > > - Roach > Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 4 13:16:29 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV nonsense continues.... Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:16:22 >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: >To: "Doug Allis" , > >Thanks for the details! Best wishes for a good outcome. I guess you're >out of the loop now, since the charge is criminal it's the state against >the Lexusian? > >best, >Chris Norloff > No, I'm not out of the loop. Whatever case is made against her is based on my testimony. So I got to show on the court date. If I don't, it would be very likely that all charges would be dropped. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 4 14:23:39 2001 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'jconli1@XXXXXX'" Subject: Magna V30 partz Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:23:26 -0500 Jeff in Baltimore needs: a chain, sprocket, and front handlebar for a Magna V30 before next weekend. Tell him or bug me (301) 530-3753 Carl (just here to hep) From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 4 15:49:35 2001 From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: R1 or a used Ducati 996? Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:49:27 -0500 I have recently sold my current bike - YZF600F and am in the market for a new ride. I was all set to buy an R1 when I started to find ads for used 996 which where a little more than a new R1. Now I know that the R1 is a much better bike than the 996 in terms of handling, comfort, maintenance etc. But then the Ducati has that certain something that make is special. Seeing as how I am not interested in becoming a parking lot queen which is a more suitable bike? I like "spirited" ride, would like something that is not so "common", no disrespect to any R1 owners. Does that certain J'ne sais pas of the Ducati outweigh its the poor handling, riding discomfort, expensive maintainance? Would like to hear opinions. Thanks Sanath _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 4 19:47:29 2001 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: HOV nonsense continues.... To: Doug Allis , cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > No, I'm not out of the loop. Whatever case is made > against her is based on > my testimony. So I got to show on the court date. > If I don't, it would be > very likely that all charges would be dropped. It would be a definite dropped case if you don't show. Your statement is THE evidence. If you don't show up, the case will be dropped and you will have wasted many peoples time. Don't get upset if you show up and she doesn't, it happens to cops all the time. In that case you win easy. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 4 20:43:56 2001 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 20:44:57 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm @ Daytona Read the full race report at; http://www.his.com/~harris/news.htm If your road kill on the information super-highway I'll be happy to e-mail you the text. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 07:25:04 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 04:25:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: HOV nonsense continues.... BBQ To: Doug Allis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Hey, where's Anna'? That sounds like a much more tasty subject.... > > Doug Allis > > >From: "Matthew Patton" > > >While chowing down on some otherworldly good ribs last night I chatted up > >a State Trooper who was also enjoying his pulled pork sandwich at Anna's > >BBQ Heaven. (BTW, Bikenight there, anyone?) Annette's BBQ Heaven... something I recommened on the other DC-Cycles list during a BBQ debate. Located on S. Van Dorn Street, in the shopping plaza with Wendy's, Safeway, CVS, and other misc. shops. 2 blocks south of Duke Street / Landmark Mall. Since I don't eat pork, it was nice to find a BBQ place that has Beef Ribs. Yum! As for the Bikenight thing... seems like it would be an awfully small place to have it. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 09:11:47 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: R1 or a used Ducati 996? To: Sanath S , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sanath S wrote: > I have recently sold my current bike - YZF600F and am in > the market for a new ride. I was all set to buy an R1 when > I started to find ads for used 996 which where a little > more than a new R1. Now I know that the R1 is a much > better bike than the 996 in terms of handling, comfort, > maintenance etc. and how do you know this? the 996 whips the r1 in the handling department, especially after the steering head angle is adjusted. which year are you looking at? it seems the base 996 for '01 has ohlins front and rear standard. the r1 doesn't stand a chance against that setup. > But then the Ducati has that certain > something that make is special. Seeing as how I am not > interested in becoming a parking lot queen which is a more > suitable bike? I like "spirited" ride, would like > something that is not so "common", no disrespect to any R1 > owners. Does that certain J'ne sais pas of the Ducati > outweigh its the poor handling, riding discomfort, > expensive maintainance? unless you like pain, stick with the yamaha. i love the riding position of the 748/996 myself. aggressive is good for a sportbike. if you like to get it leaned WAY over, you'll have to stiffen up the suspension on the r1 a LOT or you will be dragging more than pegs. please let us know where you came up with the knowlege of the duc's poor handling? it does turn a little slow out of the crate, but there is a quick fix in the the steering head angle adjustment. i would also have to add that yamaha's quality control is higher.... ducs are improving in that department, but still not on the same level. lastly, my maintenance expenses have been only slightly higher on my 996 than on my former 900rr. this is due to the more frequent valve inspection intervals. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 09:27:47 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:20:10 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: Filtering comment plus Frame question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Saturday morning I was out running errands to Alexandria (taxes are done! Yippee!) and on the way back to Manassas I took 66. Just after getting on 66 near Geo. Washington Pkwy, I was overtaken in a crush of traffic by a copper-colored Hayabusa, lane-splitting/filtering pretty aggressively. Traffic was moving at a geologic pace, so I certainly empathized. Anyone on the list? I didn't get a look at the license plate, but I did move over in my lane when he went by. Two-piece leathers, helmet matched bike. On another note, I was changing the oil and flushing the radiator(s) on the Interceptor later that afternoon, and I was idly poking at a small bit of discoloration on the frame, back where the seat subframe meets the main engine cradle. Imagine my dismay when I poked a hole into my frame, through the paint... The frame is apparently rusting on the inside, under the paint, maybe coused by weep holes for condensation. Anyone have a spare frame for a Honda VF750F Interceptor in reasonable shape lying around? Scarce as hen's teeth, you say? I will be trying the local salvage yards, but any leads would be appreciated. Failing that, I am open to recommendations for good welding shops (it's a steel frame). Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 10:12:29 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:27:12 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: [Fwd: **GREAT BIKE RAMP FOR SALE**] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CB2DE8853FFD55AB591D08D7 --------------CB2DE8853FFD55AB591D08D7 From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 07:30:27 EST Subject: **GREAT BIKE RAMP FOR SALE** To: LeeOwen@XXXXXX, DBASS753@XXXXXX, KIKSTARTR@XXXXXX, NICPAS1@XXXXXX, Svejk@XXXXXX, winford.sutt@XXXXXX, gvhannah@XXXXXX, LWELCH@XXXXXX, FXSB1340@XXXXXX, Vva451ghm@XXXXXX, DDDHDRider@XXXXXX, HD1996@XXXXXX, Sailorkel@XXXXXX, Misssstake@XXXXXX, DickB95410@XXXXXX, Wicked816@XXXXXX, LJFRKOKOMO@XXXXXX, FREEDM@XXXXXX, LOWRFRED@XXXXXX, LouNick@XXXXXX, Biker536@XXXXXX, HOGV@XXXXXX, JoanReMax@XXXXXX, Sammycook@XXXXXX, WCFATBOY@XXXXXX, candccycle@XXXXXX, CLAINCE@XXXXXX, Ocikat2@XXXXXX, bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, khafre@XXXXXX, Crgcrisis@XXXXXX, JFA23@XXXXXX, FabThad@XXXXXX, pademeo@XXXXXX, c.horse@XXXXXX, JOHNHDLE@XXXXXX, soujourn@XXXXXX, tech.cons.serv@XXXXXX, stevied@XXXXXX, HarleyzMyn@XXXXXX, Cindyinmaryland@XXXXXX, PulseR700@XXXXXX, Cherokeekid1021@XXXXXX, AlachuaArt@XXXXXX, RGavoni@XXXXXX, CharlieHJr@XXXXXX X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 --part1_32.11689696.27d38f63_boundary Now this is a very sad note to write. JC, Jim, whom I've been riding with fo= r=20 3 seasons, would have been 4 this year, is moving to CA. JC, you will be=20 missed by so many people. Please have a safe trip and be sure your new home=20 is big enough to house LOTS of visitors.=20 love and blessings, babe A> To:=A0 =A0 LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX =20 Hey Babe, I am getting ready to move to CA in about three weeks. I have=A0a really nic= e=20 set of ramps for sale.=A0 They are 12" wide, 7-8 foot long (I'd have to dbl=20 check the length), folding metal ramps.=A0 They are curved to minimize=20 bottoming out of the bike and have split, raised dimples for traction.=A0 I=20 have only used them a few times and they worked great (you know how long the= =20 wheel-base is on my bike and how high the bed of my truck is).=A0 I stopped=20 using them after I got a trailer.=A0 The short bed of my truck just wasn't l= ong=20 enough for the bike.=A0 I am asking $100 or best for both ramps.=A0 People c= an=20 email me at nobr8nr@XXXXXX= , or phone me at 301-362-0170.=A0 I'll be in=20 and out of town prior to the move, so they can leave a message and I'll get=20 back to them.=A0 Thanks Babe.=A0 I'll miss riding with your group.=A0 Hope a= ll goes=20 well for the April kick-off. =A0JC --part1_32.11689696.27d38f63_boundary Now this is a very sad= note to write. JC, Jim, whom I've been riding with for=20
3 seasons, would have been 4 this year, is moving to CA. JC, you will be= =20
missed by so many people. Please have a safe trip and be sure your new h= ome=20
is big enough to house LOTS of visitors.=20

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--part1_32.11689696.27d38f63_boundary-- --------------CB2DE8853FFD55AB591D08D7-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 12:28:10 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:28:07 -0500 Subject: anyone looking for a trailer? I hope I'm not double-posting but I saw this on 2wf.com's classifieds. Rick US / va / Alexandria Day 703-922-8226 icmikjon@XXXXXX Other 6x12 enclosed trailer For Sale: 6x12 enclosed trailer: This is a 2000 model trailer which was bought new last summer. It has the 6" extended height, side door, heavy duty rear ramp door,front stone guard, roof vent. It has the heavy duty torsion bar rear axle, and bigger tires, The floor is 3/4" plywood and the walls are 1/2" plywood, Has AC,and DC lighting, Craftsman work bench, removable Wheel chocks, D-Rings installed. It is set up for 2 bikes. It is white and in great shape. Was $ 3200 new, plus all of the add ons. $2500 FIRM ! No Offers, Located in Northern VA, Can Email pics if needed, -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 12:34:44 2001 From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:34:16 EST Subject: Re: Moving sale at Cycle Sport Springfield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/2001 10:28:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, lmeyer@XXXXXX writes: << Service team - Ed and Bob went to Powerride formerly Coleman right? Any chance they'll have influence and improve things? If not, service just got real inconvenient for this non-wrencher. >> Thats odd. A rumor I heard (and even the individual who told me said it was just a rumor) was that the new "Powerride" management doesnt hire white people and was one of the reasons they lost those franchises after numerous complaints of discrimination. Again, this is just a rumor I heard with no known basis in fact to my knowledge. I guess if they hired the Cycle Sport guys away that would destroy that rumor.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 13:08:44 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:08:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: anyone looking for a trailer? > > >Other 6x12 enclosed trailer For Sale: 6x12 enclosed trailer: This is >a 2000 model trailer which was bought new last summer. It has the 6" >extended height, side door, heavy duty rear ramp door,front stone >guard, roof vent. It has the heavy duty torsion bar rear axle, and >bigger tires, The floor is 3/4" plywood and the walls are 1/2" >plywood, Has AC,and DC lighting, Craftsman work bench, removable >Wheel chocks, D-Rings installed. It is set up for 2 bikes. It is >white and in great shape. Was $ 3200 new, plus all of the add ons. >$2500 FIRM ! No Offers, Located in Northern VA, Can Email pics if >needed, This trailer was also posted on the WERA BBS and has been sold....it did sound like a pretty kickass trailer, though. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 15:40:18 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: Cc: "dccycles" Subject: Re: RE: DC lane sharing Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:43:47 -0500 kirk, what exactly will the countershaft sprocket do? How will it help? Are there any other things that can be done to my ke100 to increase its performance? If you can find out the size let me know. It would be great if my ke had enough juice to move uphills without losing speed, it usually slows down to 30-35 mph on the commute home on the hilly sections. I have an uncle in portugal that has a 50cc bike, a sachs. I believe its 20+ years old. Over 45k miles on it. It is much faster than my bike with a top speed of 75 mph. Why on earth does my 100cc ke not have the balls for that? I also heard that ke100s life might end at 15-25k. I have almost 5k on it. Its a great little bike and deserves to live longer than 60k, prefrerably in a vacation resort with a beach. But for lane splitting and city riding. It really shines. Kawasaki should have added a rack on it thou. I have a hard time carrying groceries home. i have seen a ke at clinton cycles with a weird cutoff exaust. Do you think that will improve its performance? Ricardo >On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, >Ricardo Pontes wrote: >> I have a ke100 and it has a >hard time with 50 uphill. > >You'll get better results if >you change the >countershaft sprocket. I >think >I've got a 13 while stock is 17 >(I'm not positive on these >sizes but can look if you're >curious). You won't lose any >top speed either. The thing is >geared for some mystery >purpose. The bike lacks the >horsepower to ever reach >the theoretical top speed of >the stock gearing (which is >probably like 90 but I've >never checked it). > >Kirk >2000 Kawasaki KLX300 >(http://planetklx.dirtrider.n >et) >1998 Honda VTR1000 >(http://members.nova.org/ >~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad >- the Wash, DC area offroad >e-mail list: >http://groups.yahoo.com/gr >oup/dcoffroad/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 15:40:17 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: Cc: "dccycles" Subject: Re: RE: DC lane sharing Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:43:45 -0500 erik, how do you like the klr650? I was considering une before getting my triumph tiger. what year is it? How many miles do you have? Is it as reliable as they say it is? It would be great to have a 1 cylinder bike, that is simple enough for someone to work on it themselves. Did you consider any other bike? I have a ke100, i wish i had saved a while longer and gotten a klr650. How is it in the twisties and off road? Ricardo 98 triumph tiger 99 kawasaki ke100 >have pedals (I think the spirit >of the rule is so only bicycles >can do it). Anybody know >where I can find after >market pedals for my KLR >650? > >Erik > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Roy >[mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, February >28, 2001 9:50 AM To: List-dc >cycles >Subject: RE: DC lane sharing > > >The answer to the lane >sharing question is easy. >Simply mount some pedals >and a 50cc sticker to your >bike and you've got a >moped. It's legal for them to >lane split, right? > >What's the likelihood of >getting a moped up over >10hp? I've considered them >as a commuting option... :) If I >could get a moped that'd >carry me >50mph up hill I'd do it. When I >was bicycling to work it took >me 20 extra minutes to get >in, compared to the car. >That's 65 minutes as >compared to >45. A moped would have the >bicycle's traffic law >advantages but some speed >as well. > >Kirk >2000 Kawasaki KLX300 >(http://planetklx.dirtrider.n >et) >1998 Honda VTR1000 >(http://members.nova.org/ >~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad >- the Wash, DC area offroad >e-mail list: >http://groups.yahoo.com/gr >oup/dcoffroad/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 15:56:06 2001 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: ricardopontes@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: DC lane sharing Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:53:50 -0500 Many of the points I'd like to make about the KLR650 are moot, as I've only had the bike since early November (bought it new), and the winter weather has left for little else than commuting. I just went over 1000 miles on last week, and it's been reliable thus far, for what it's worth. The nice thing about the bike is its 300 mile range (6+ gallon tank), its seat height -- I'm 6"0', and fit on it comfortably. I like center stands, so I had to shell out of that one, and a new seat is going to be in the not-all-too-near future, hopefully. I've ridden mostly crappy old bikes in the past, so the low-end power on this one is refreshing, thought top comfortable riding speed seems to be just under triple digits. That's fine for my riding style (city riding during the week, twisties on the weekends -- provided it ever stops snowing!), so overall I'm quite happy. Getting a new, solid bike for 5K out the door is probably the best part of all -- if you're willing to deal with the colors (Leon's John Deere bike might have been a model for this color scheme. See http://www.kawasaki.com/motorcycles/dualpurpose/index.html). If you'd like an update after I've gotten some serious miles on this things, I'd be more than happy. I'd also be more than happy to put some serious miles on this thing, but that's a different (weather-related) issue. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardopontes@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:44 PM To: eschelzig@XXXXXX Cc: dccycles Subject: Re: RE: DC lane sharing erik, how do you like the klr650? I was considering une before getting my triumph tiger. what year is it? How many miles do you have? Is it as reliable as they say it is? It would be great to have a 1 cylinder bike, that is simple enough for someone to work on it themselves. Did you consider any other bike? I have a ke100, i wish i had saved a while longer and gotten a klr650. How is it in the twisties and off road? Ricardo 98 triumph tiger 99 kawasaki ke100 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 19:48:33 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:48:32 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Tire mount To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi all- Where is the least expensive shop in the Northern VA area to get mailorder tires mounted? What do they charge? Herb '94 Magna (needs a rear sneaker) '99 VFR (need to upgrade its pair) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 5 21:15:14 2001 From: "Keith Lamond" To: Subject: Re: Tire mount Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:10:24 -0500 Fairfax cycles charges $20 a tire when you bring your own. Keith 84 Nighthawk S 84 Magna V30 (The wife's) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nomad" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: Tire mount > Hi all- > Where is the least expensive shop in the Northern VA area to get mailorder tires mounted? > What do they charge? > Herb > '94 Magna (needs a rear sneaker) > '99 VFR (need to upgrade its pair) > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 08:24:55 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 05:22:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Parking permit on a cover?? To: DC-Cycles Folks, I need some help... My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle (Kawasaki Concours) because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only parking permits they provide are the kind that stick to the inside of the window, with sticky part facing out onto the window. I really don't want to put this on my windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up the cover by the front wheel to look for the permit. The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the permit onto the cover, they said a previous resident did that. He put the permit into something plastic and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns and described what they told me, people at both places looked at me like I was crazy. Any suggestions out there? Thanks, Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 08:49:22 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:47:44 -0500 Lou, I'd suggest an alternate location for your parking permit sticker could be on your front forks; or you could fashion a metal plate with a mounting bracket and bolt it somewhere on you front or rear wheel assembly. Greg "Scratch" Myles Forum Host, Mid-Atlantic Motorcycle Riders Forum http://www.delphi.com/mmrf/start -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:22 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Parking permit on a cover?? Folks, I need some help... My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle (Kawasaki Concours) because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only parking permits they provide are the kind that stick to the inside of the window, with sticky part facing out onto the window. I really don't want to put this on my windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up the cover by the front wheel to look for the permit. The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the permit onto the cover, they said a previous resident did that. He put the permit into something plastic and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns and described what they told me, people at both places looked at me like I was crazy. Any suggestions out there? Thanks, Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 08:53:02 2001 From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:52:57 -0500 (EST) Do what they do with elevators and put a sign out that says "Permit on file in xyz office" ... Aside from that, I've seen heavy clear plastic "pockets" used for conferences and the like. Perhaps you could find one which could be sewn onto your cover. Quoting "Louis F. Caplan" : > Folks, I need some help... > > My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle (Kawasaki > Concours) > because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only parking > permits > they provide are the kind that stick to the inside of the window, with > sticky > part facing out onto the window. I really don't want to put this on my > windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up the cover by the > front wheel > to look for the permit. > > The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the permit onto the cover, > they > said a previous resident did that. He put the permit into something > plastic > and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns and described what > they told > me, people at both places looked at me like I was crazy. > > Any suggestions out there? > > Thanks, > > Louis > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 09:03:12 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:43:33 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? Hmm... My parking garage in Crystal City just went to permit tags which one is supposed to hang from the mirror. The permit lady said it would prbably get stolen if I hung it on my scoot, but I had to put it somewhere visible. So I cram it betwixt the windscreen and the thin plastic thinger that is custom fitted to the headlight bezel. Thats where I keep my NOVA parking permit too. Last year, one of the MSF imstructors covered his bike - light rain - while we were teaching a class. Yeppers, the diligent parking poo-leece gave him a ticket because the cover obscured his permit! I'd say your only solution would be two pocketed attachments, one on the bike, and one on the cover. Don't remove the sticky back and slide the permit into the pocket, cover if you're covering it, bike if you're letting it breath. Mine is not attached so I switch it from bike to cage. Bill Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Folks, I need some help... > > My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle (Kawasaki Concours) > because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only parking permits > they provide are the kind that stick to the inside of the window, with sticky > part facing out onto the window. I really don't want to put this on my > windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up the cover by the front wheel > to look for the permit. > > The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the permit onto the cover, they > said a previous resident did that. He put the permit into something plastic > and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns and described what they told > me, people at both places looked at me like I was crazy. > > Any suggestions out there? > > Thanks, > > Louis > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 09:04:12 2001 From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:01:24 -0500 Times like these make this bleeding-heart look wistfully at guns. BIG guns. 44-Mag, loaded for bear. (Even if you miss, the noise is likely to give one a heart attack.) Or at least a serious round of dope-slapping. Sadly, your property person is the end result of a thriving economy that ends up employing the otherwise unemployable. Would you like a group of us to show up and intelligently, articulately, and patiently explain to this knucklehead why he is an idiot, and that he should consider actually THINKING about things rather than just literally enforcing some book of regs? Actually, though, I have seen plastic enclosures that probably could be sewn into the cover. Surprised that neither of those places could help. Try luggage ID tags--sometimes available at K-Mart--or maybe some variation of those plastic name tags they give out at meetings, like from Office Depot. Better yet, if it is so important to them, THEY should provide YOU with an alternative solution that does not cause you major inconvenience. They probably have seen bikes before, and will again, too. Or perhaps they enjoy creating the confrontation situation each time, and then they can go off and say, "Those bikers..." Man, you do everything you can, live right and stuff, and you STILL have to deal with half-wits like this. I'm mad for you, and I don't even have that problem or even know where you live. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:22 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Parking permit on a cover?? Folks, I need some help... My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle (Kawasaki Concours) because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only parking permits they provide are the kind that stick to the inside of the window, with sticky part facing out onto the window. I really don't want to put this on my windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up the cover by the front wheel to look for the permit. The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the permit onto the cover, they said a previous resident did that. He put the permit into something plastic and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns and described what they told me, people at both places looked at me like I was crazy. Any suggestions out there? Thanks, Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 09:17:33 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:10:06 -0500 How about a piece of clear Lexan mounted somewhere? That's how I have my Inspection and County sticker now. It's got a hole in it and I just used a longer screw in the chain guard to mount it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:22 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Parking permit on a cover?? > > > Folks, I need some help... > > My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle > (Kawasaki Concours) > because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only > parking permits > they provide are the kind that stick to the inside of the window, > with sticky > part facing out onto the window. I really don't want to put this on my > windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up the cover by > the front wheel > to look for the permit. > > The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the permit onto the > cover, they > said a previous resident did that. He put the permit into > something plastic > and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns and described > what they told > me, people at both places looked at me like I was crazy. > > Any suggestions out there? > > Thanks, > > Louis > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 09:28:21 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:28:13 Make a plastic pocket by sewing heavy duty clear vinyl to the cover with 10 lb test plastic fish line. If the permit is paper then stick it in a zip lock bag into the sewn on pocket or you could laminate the permit. I often have to park in a government lot and am given a plastic or paper temp permit. I always tuck it under a bungie cord on the seat or on the front of my PC-800. Why are you reluctant to stick the permit on your bike's windsheild? I've seen lots of bikes do this with no apparent harm. Keep the sticker at the lowest corner. >From: "Louis F. Caplan" >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Parking permit on a cover?? >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 05:22:23 -0800 (PST) > >Folks, I need some help... > >My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle (Kawasaki >Concours) >because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only parking >permits >they provide are the kind that stick to the inside of the window, with >sticky >part facing out onto the window. I really don't want to put this on my >windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up the cover by the front >wheel >to look for the permit. > >The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the permit onto the cover, >they >said a previous resident did that. He put the permit into something >plastic >and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns and described what they >told >me, people at both places looked at me like I was crazy. > >Any suggestions out there? > >Thanks, > >Louis > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 09:34:24 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:33:17 -0500 A couple of alternatives. 1) For my DC residential parking permit (designed to stick on windshields), I have a piece of Plexiglas that hangs below the license plate. I've seen covers for cars that have a clear window for the license plate. I assume something similar could be fashioned for a bike. DC parking trolls don't seem to care about bikes with covers. 2) At work we have hang tags designed for mirrors. I bought two pieces of Plexiglas and made a sandwich and it sits by the instrument cluster, so it doesn't get wet, blow away, etc. You could make something similar and lock it to the grommets at the bottom of your cover. Hope that helps, Paul in DC 91 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan > Folks, I need some help... > > My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle (Kawasaki Concours) > because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only parking permits > they provide are the kind that stick to the inside of the window, with sticky > part facing out onto the window. I really don't want to put this on my > windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up the cover by the front wheel > to look for the permit. > > The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the permit onto the cover, they > said a previous resident did that. He put the permit into something plastic > and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns and described what they told > me, people at both places looked at me like I was crazy. > > Any suggestions out there? > > Thanks, > > Louis From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 09:39:29 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 06:39:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Knapik Subject: RE: Parking permit on a cover?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you don't want to use the plexiglas approach attached to your front forks, you could pick up a plastic holder that is used for holding fishing and/or hunting licenses from any sporting goods store. They come with a great nasty safty pin but you'd be better off sewing it on to your cover(so nobody steals it from ya) > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan > [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:22 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Parking permit on a cover?? > > > Folks, I need some help... > > My apartment complex is threatening to tow my > motorcycle (Kawasaki Concours) > because I don't have a parking permit on it. > However, the only parking > permits > they provide are the kind that stick to the inside > of the window, with > sticky > part facing out onto the window. I really don't > want to put this on my > windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up > the cover by the front > wheel > to look for the permit. > > The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the > permit onto the cover, > they > said a previous resident did that. He put the > permit into something plastic > and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns > and described what they > told > me, people at both places looked at me like I was > crazy. > > Any suggestions out there? > > Thanks, > > Louis > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 09:51:03 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:48:01 -0500 Hi Louis, I have the plastic and three sewing machines. We CAN make it work. How often do they re-issue these stickers? Let me know. LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:22 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Parking permit on a cover?? > > > Folks, I need some help... > > My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle > (Kawasaki Concours) > because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only > parking permits > they provide are the kind that stick to the inside of the window, > with sticky > part facing out onto the window. I really don't want to put this on my > windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up the cover by > the front wheel > to look for the permit. > > The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the permit onto the > cover, they > said a previous resident did that. He put the permit into > something plastic > and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns and described > what they told > me, people at both places looked at me like I was crazy. > > Any suggestions out there? > > Thanks, > > Louis > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 09:56:44 2001 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: pawilson@XXXXXX, nighthawk700@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:54:20 -0500 On those window stickers that have the adhesive on the top/front side, I have stuck them to my forks using clear tape (sticky side of sticker to sticky side of tape, tape wrapped around forks). It's not overly beautiful, but it works. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:33 AM To: Louis F. Caplan Cc: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? A couple of alternatives. 1) For my DC residential parking permit (designed to stick on windshields), I have a piece of Plexiglas that hangs below the license plate. I've seen covers for cars that have a clear window for the license plate. I assume something similar could be fashioned for a bike. DC parking trolls don't seem to care about bikes with covers. 2) At work we have hang tags designed for mirrors. I bought two pieces of Plexiglas and made a sandwich and it sits by the instrument cluster, so it doesn't get wet, blow away, etc. You could make something similar and lock it to the grommets at the bottom of your cover. Hope that helps, Paul in DC 91 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan > Folks, I need some help... > > My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle (Kawasaki Concours) > because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only parking permits > they provide are the kind that stick to the inside of the window, with sticky > part facing out onto the window. I really don't want to put this on my > windshield, and besides, they only seem to lift up the cover by the front wheel > to look for the permit. > > The person I spoke to suggested I somehow sew the permit onto the cover, they > said a previous resident did that. He put the permit into something plastic > and sewed it on. I went to Michael's and Jo-anns and described what they told > me, people at both places looked at me like I was crazy. > > Any suggestions out there? > > Thanks, > > Louis From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 10:02:16 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 07:02:15 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: RE: Parking permit on a cover?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Have you thought of mounting it to your license plate somehow? I know they would have to lift the cover, but it would be visible. What do they do for cars that use a cover? Good luck with this one. Matt Folks, I need some help... > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 10:22:00 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 07:21:15 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: VX800 seat FS To: DCC Cc: eruschei@XXXXXX Since the successful sale of his windscreen here a couple weeks ago, my friend Eric has decided to sell his seat. He is running a corbin seat now, and has no use for the stock one. It is from a Suzuki VX800. I don't know the year of the bike. He is asking $100. You can see pics here: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=83414&a=11936003 There is a small (~1.5 inch) tear on the right side lower edge. Seems to me it could be repaired with some of that vinyl repair stuff from Trak Auto. email Eric at eruschei@XXXXXX for more info. Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 10:25:59 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 07:25:57 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Permit To: DCCycles Louis, Now that I've had a chance to think about it, the attack suggestion sounds best. Question 1: What is the procedure for those people who have cars that are kept under car covers? Are they required to display the parking permit in a location where the permit can be seen without removing the cover? Where? Show an example. Question 2: Sewing it to the cover is not acceptable. Unlike attaching the sticker to the windscreen, sewing causes PERMANENT damage to the cover and costs additional money. A bike cover has a normal life of 3 years, if the permit needs to be replaced annually, will the association remit 1/3 of the price of the cover and pay for the sewing? If not, then what other solution do they suggest? Question 3: After putting them on the spot and pointing out to them that you are being discrminated against because your vehicle does not conform to some arbitrary standard, then you should become accomodating. Is this an acceptable compromise? Perhaps the 'permit #xxxx on file in association office' written in permanent marker on the bike cover is the best solution. The number can be changed annually so the cover does not have to be replaced, the number is readily available so they can check it before towing and it doesn't allow you to use the permit for more than one vehicle. (Since they would be allowed to keep the original sticker) It doesn't require any additional work on their part since they would have to write down the sticker and license number of any vehicle that is about to be towed anyway. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 10:33:37 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:32:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? You might check into ordering a British "tax-disc". These are little bolt on covers that fit onto your fork legs. Try reading some of the Brit mags to find out where you can order them. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 11:05:44 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:05:17 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Rosenstock > Have you thought of mounting it to your license plate > somehow? I know they would have to lift the cover, but > it would be visible. What do they do for cars that use > a cover? > > Good luck with this one. > > Matt I've seen car covers with a clear plastic window for the license plate. They don't work so well with windshield mounted parking stickers. I wouldn't rely on any method that required the parking goons to mess with my cover. What about when Va. localities do those infamous "tax sweeps" through apartment complexes? You're likely to get a ticket because they can't see the tax sticker on your forks. It seems the apartment management has wayyyyy too much time on their hands. I ride my bike to work, so I never run afoul of the residential parking enforcement in my neighborhood. Still, the bike's sat, covered, for a week or more when I'm on vacation and it wasn't hassled. They can't see the permit due to the cover, but of course they can't see the license plate either to write up a ticket. On days I ride to work, I leave the cover off until parking restrictions end, so they can see the permit. They're more interested in the VA/MD commuter freeloaders who park all day in the neighborhood. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 12:58:24 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 07:36:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have two offers to help sew the parking permit on the cover, and some other suggestions (I like the one about using zip tie to fasten a laminated permit to the fork). I'll be checking with Resident Services to make sure it'll work for them before going through the hoops. Someone asked why I didn't want it on the windshield. The reason is, in order to see the permit, they would have to take the cover completely off. On my bike, because of the way it stretches over the saddle bags, if you take the cover off wrong, you can bend or even break the mirrors. (happened to me before) If the permit is on the cover, they should see it without removing it. If they are smart enough to look on the forks, they should be able to do that without removing the cover all the way off the bike. Someone else questioned the intentions. I have to say, the management of my complex changed a year ago, and the new management, in my humble opinion, sucks. The first thing they did was get rid of the night time security service. The people in the service used to keep an eye on my bike because sometimes kiddies like to take the cover off and pretend they are driving the bike (hence the broken mirror). The next thing they did was decide to spend several millions of dollars to upgrade the landscaping. (I really haven't seen any significant difference, except the sharply increased rent) One of the landscaping trucks knocked over my bike. I have some proof (the police officer who took the report believed me), but not enough, and no witnesses. Anyway, they decided now they want to crack down on cars that don't belong in the complex. I also found out, when trying to figure out a solution with them, that they were supposed to charge me $120, since I'm a single person with 2 vehicles. They changed the rules since taking over. But since they already gave me the permit for the car and bike, they "nicely" decided they wouldn't charge me. All I know is that I'm going to start looking at new apartment complexes soon. Thanks again to everyone who sent me some advice or ideas. I will be investigating them more and try them out. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 13:28:42 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:28:06 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan I also found out, when trying to figure out a solution with them, > that they were supposed to charge me $120, since I'm a single person with 2 > vehicles. They changed the rules since taking over. But since they already > gave me the permit for the car and bike, they "nicely" decided they wouldn't > charge me. All I know is that I'm going to start looking at new apartment > complexes soon. > Sorry you're having so many problems with a bike un-friendly management. You're probably correct that voting with your feet is the ultimate solution, should they fail to be reasonable. They should charge you less than those with two cages, considering you're not taking up two full spaces. It's amazing how many garage/lot owners seem not to be able to grasp this simple concept: the smaller size of bikes means they can charge me say half the going rate for a space unusable by a cage, and still have a full space to rent. Appeals to logic and, failing that, greed don't seem to get any traction on this issue. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 14:47:35 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 1973 14:55:33 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? Is the management different from the owner? Wonder if complaint (you know other unhappy tenants? is there a tenant association?) to owner about crappy management might be useful...squeeky wheels either get the grease or get the axe. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 15:12:55 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: Cc: "Dccycles" Subject: Re: RE: RE: DC lane sharing Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:16:07 -0500 >Many of the points I'd like to >make about the KLR650 are >moot, as I've only had the >bike since early November >(bought it new), and the >winter weather has left for >little else than commuting. I >just went over 1000 miles on >last week, and it's been >reliable thus far, for what >it's worth. The nice thing >about the bike is its 300 mile >range (6+ gallon tank), its 300 mile range? incredible. i can only squeeze about 250 on my tiger. >seat height -- >I'm 6"0', and fit on it >comfortably. I like center >stands, so I had to shell out >of that one, and a new seat >is going to be in the >not-all-too-near future, >hopefully. I've ridden mostly >crappy old bikes in the past, >so the low-end power on this >one is refreshing, thought >top comfortable riding speed >seems to be just under triple >digits. That's fine for my >riding style (city riding >during the week, twisties on >the weekends -- provided it >ever stops snowing!), so >overall I'm quite happy. >Getting a new, solid bike for >5K out the door is probably >the best part of all -- if >you're willing to deal with the >colors (Leon's John Deere >bike might have been a >model for this color scheme. >See >http://www.kawasaki.com/m >otorcycles/dualpurpose/ind >ex.html). > the color seems to grow on you. do you have the 2001 color scheme. personaly for the klr the 1999 paint scheme is nicer. but all of the colors on the kawasakis are pretty bad. my ke100 is lime green, very bright too. the klr is kinda like a jeep wrangler, tough, strong,ugly but with character, all around reliability, easy to fix etc.. if i was going to go off road, id get a klr, a 6gallon tank comes in handy in the desert. what do you think of other ds bikes like ktm lc4 adventure, aprilia pegaso, xr 650, dr650, bmw f650, ktm lc8, aprilia capo nord, triumph tiger, bmw r1150gs? what made you pick the klr? >If you'd like an update after >I've gotten some serious >miles on this things, >I'd be more than happy. I'd >also be more than happy to >put some serious miles on >this thing, but that's a >different (weather-related) >issue. > sure thing, i would lile to know what happens with the bike. Ricardo _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 15:33:25 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:30:38 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: DC lane sharing To: Ricardo Pontes Cc: eschelzig@XXXXXX, Dccycles Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > what do you think of other ds bikes like ktm lc4 adventure, aprilia pegaso, > xr 650, dr650, bmw f650, ktm lc8, aprilia capo nord, triumph tiger, bmw > r1150gs? I really like the looks of the Moto Guzzi Quota, but have only seen pics of one, haven't actually seen one in person yet. And shaft drive, baby!!! :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 15:45:03 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:45:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Myrtle Beach To: DCC Cc: Spike When is/are Myrtle Beach bike week(s)? Aren't there several bike weeks there? Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 15:45:29 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:45:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: DC lane sharing On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > what do you think of other ds bikes like ktm lc4 adventure, aprilia > > pegaso, xr 650, dr650, bmw f650, ktm lc8, aprilia capo nord, triumph > > tiger, bmw r1150gs? > > I really like the looks of the Moto Guzzi Quota, but have only seen > pics of one, haven't actually seen one in person yet. And shaft > drive, baby!!! :) Wouldn't shaft drive take away one of the big positives of dual sport bikes - light weight? Of course, the list above isn't really a dual sport list as most of the bikes are adventure tourers or jacked up street bikes. The XR650 and DR650 are the only bikes on that list that could be ridden reasonably off road. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 16:18:47 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:14:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach To: Scratch Cc: DCC , Spike Scratch wrote: > > When is/are Myrtle Beach bike week(s)? Aren't there > several bike weeks there? Amazingly enough, there is a URL for it here: http://www.myrtlebeachbikeweek.com/ :) I think there is a "Black Bike Week", which I think happens a week later. http://blackbikeweek.net My only comment on there being a separate Black event is that it is a darned shame that something that could potentially bring together whites and blacks, asians, hispanics (hell, dogs, cats, martians, venusians, vulcans, klingons, wookies....) with a mutual common interest (motorcycling) fails so miserably. Last time I checked, major events like this are not touted as a "White Bike Week", and yet, most events I've seen (Daytona twice, Laconia) the crowds are lily white. Most of the DC cycles rides are totally white (and mostly male). Same deal with the Long Distance gatherings I attend. Ditto the Concours Owner's Group. Amazing the percentages of white males. What gives? The DC-Sportbikes group is mostly black riders, right? And very few of them are subscribed to this list... Why? I'd personally love to go to a motorcycle gathering and see all colors of people in attendance, more female riders, etc. all drawn to our common love of motorcycling. I wonder if it'll ever happen in my lifetime... Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 16:37:17 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach I haven't been to Bike Week since 91 but when I was there they where selling quite a bit of KKK and White Supremacist stuff. Travelling with a black friend at the time we also go to hear quite a bit of pinheaded bigots expressing their opinions on race relations. Maybe things have changed since then but it certainly didn't seem like a very inclusive atmosphere at the time. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 17:04:57 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:02:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: DC lane sharing To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Kirk Roy wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > I really like the looks of the Moto Guzzi Quota, but have only seen > > pics of one, haven't actually seen one in person yet. And shaft > > drive, baby!!! :) > > Wouldn't shaft drive take away one of the big positives of dual sport > bikes - light weight? Yeah, I suppose. But how much heavier is a shaft drive than a chain and sprockets, anyway? Are we talking 20 pounds, or 50? I honestly don't know. You still need a swingarm back there, and I half wonder if driveshafts are not partly hollow (like in cars) to reduce some weight. I kind of wonder if this all isn't just a conspiracy to keep DID and Renthal in business... :) [Hmm, ever wonder why "Spacely Sprockets" was still in business in George Jetson's future world? Could that be some ominous foreshadowing by Hanna & Barbarra? :)] What attracts me to the Quota is the large tank, lots of suspension travel, good ground clearance, cylinders sticking out in the breeze (making valve adjustments fairly trivial) and that whole Moto Guzzi long-distance-runs-forever mystique (you know, the same rep that BMW has so recently lost...) I'd want something equally at home on Interstates and dirt roads, with the ability to make it across the occasional high curb or muddy field (the Concours fairing does this farmer's plow thing once the tires start sinking in the mud, not conducive to making good time). In effect, the perfect Rally bike. :) Besides, the Tiger's recent paint jobs strike me as juvenile, and that funky Big-bird/BilltheCat-double-front-fender look of the BMW1150GS makes me break out in hysterics everytime I see one. :) > Of course, the list above isn't really a dual sport > list as most of the bikes are adventure tourers or jacked up > street bikes. Agreed. If I wanted a dirt bike that was street legal, (so I wouldn't have to trailer it to the fun places) I'd probably go with something more in the 250-400cc range, myself. The biggest obstacle to that is a legal place to ride one around here. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 17:14:02 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:13:53 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > charge me. All I know is that I'm going to start > looking at new apartment > complexes soon. > > Thanks again to everyone who sent me some advice or > ideas. I will be > investigating them more and try them out. > > Louis > I have a townhouse in Centreville I'll sell you. It has two reserved spots in front of the house. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 17:18:42 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:17:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > I haven't been to Bike Week since 91 but when I > was there they where selling quite a bit of KKK and White > Supremacist stuff. Gawd, I hope that still isn't going on... > Travelling with a black friend at the > time we also go to hear quite a bit of pinheaded bigots > expressing their opinions on race relations. How does that expression go? "Never understimate the power of stupid people in large groups." I suppose that if I were a black man, the prospect of rubbing shoulders with thousands of drunken white folks would make me want to shy away, too. It's a damn shame things are still this bad... Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 18:01:11 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:00:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: You guys have to see this... This is nuts. And I want it. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=566827966 -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 18:18:27 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:12:43 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: You guys have to see this... --------------EF052B7B5E557CCC2EDECB9B Weelll... doubt you'd have a problem with tailgaters. Turn up the wick and watch the paint on their hood blister... Bill Sean Jordan wrote: > This is nuts. And I want it. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=566827966 > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA Novice #230 > MARRC member #3038 --------------EF052B7B5E557CCC2EDECB9B Weelll... doubt you'd have a problem with tailgaters.  Turn up the wick and watch the paint on their hood blister...

Bill

Sean Jordan wrote:

This is nuts. And I want it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=566827966

--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA Novice #230
MARRC member #3038

--------------EF052B7B5E557CCC2EDECB9B-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 21:33:04 2001 From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:32:43 EST Subject: RE: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_50.12530da7.27d6f7cb_boundary Fellow Riders: I would have to strongly agree with "THE HORKSTER", we need to do something to get riders of all ethnic backgrounds, etc. together and in one place on a good ride. I know because I am black, I have been to the black bike weeks,etc. I also have ridden with my white brothers and I enjoy the fun with all groups. After all we are all brothers and sisters. Whats the problem my fellow riders, are we going to talk or are we going to try to do something about this?!? Brian Banks Need 4 Speed --part1_50.12530da7.27d6f7cb_boundary Fellow Riders:  I would have to strongly agree with "THE HORKSTER", we need
to do something to get riders of all ethnic backgrounds, etc. together and in
one place on a good ride.  I know because I am black, I have been to the
black bike weeks,etc.  I also have ridden with my white brothers and I enjoy
the fun with all groups.  After all we are all brothers and sisters.  Whats
the problem my fellow riders, are we going to talk or are we going to try to
do something about this?!?

Brian Banks
Need 4 Speed --part1_50.12530da7.27d6f7cb_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 21:43:14 2001 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: Biker Dichotomy... Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:41:59 -0500 Hey, Amazing the percentages of white males. What gives? The DC-Sportbikes group is mostly black riders, right? And very few of them are subscribed to this list... Why? I am a DC-Sportbike member. It looked like a great way to meet people and share a common interest. The first "ride" I showed up to was very intimidating, however. I was one of three or so white guys, the rest black men (save one black female), out of a group of 25 or so. They admitted it was a small turn-out, but representative of the group as a whole nonetheless. I had next to nothing in common with this group save for motorcycling, and couldn't even really make polite conversation. They also had questionable riding abilities. The group was hell bent for leather in the straights, but I needed sunglasses for all the brake lights in the turns. They too seemed to lack a "group riding" mentality, meaning ride courtesy, a common mindset on the road, hand signals, protocol, etc. It was more of a mob mentality where each one was trying to show the others up with speed and hi-jinks (off-corner wheelies, stoppies at lights, hole shots, etc.) I never went back or even followed the clubs activities anymore. I'd personally love to go to a motorcycle gathering and see... ...more female riders, etc. I second that. And third. And half the fourth. Howard J. Koontz 1998 CBR600F3 (For Sale- http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R178727+Q358105073) 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail (For Sale) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 21:50:28 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:48:51 -0500 Subject: Parking/inspection/registration sticker display X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,8-9,11-13,15,17,19 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Most Harley shops sell aluminum plates designed to accommodate either one or two of these stickers. For my street bikes, I get the smaller one, and put the inspection sticker on the outside and the county sticker on the inside. Then I wrap the whole thing with clear packing tape. Every few years, I scrape it all off and start all over. If you did the above, I would suggest sticking the parking sticker onto the clear tape, as someone suggested for the fork, and then putting the whole thing on the plate. I like the Plexiglass idea, but I would be worried that it would crack from vibration and fall off. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 22:25:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9703.mail.yahoo.com (web9703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f273P6U03661 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:25:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010307032504.74107.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.44.55.221] by web9703.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:25:04 PST Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:25:04 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys To: Dale Horstman Cc: DCC , Spike In-Reply-To: <3AA5533B.4BC19E48@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Horkster asketh... > Amazing the percentages of white males. What gives? I think we can blame a lot of it on Peter Fonda. And the magazine named for The Movie (or was it 'tuther way 'round?). This is my theory (which was probably overheard in some bar somewhere): For a long time, Easy Rider was popular reading material in the the smallest rooms in American houses. Once those adolescent Captain America wannabe's grew up to be accountants (not that there's anything wrong with that), they could buy into their long-dormant Fonda fantasies. Mid life crisis seems to be the best time to do it. In 50 words, more or less, that's one theory on the popularity of HD's with Old White Guys. What movie/song/video can we blame for the African American sportbike fad? Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 22:59:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f273xvU04203 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-236.patriot.net [209.249.180.236]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f273xZK21374; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:59:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA5B0D4.8DE76FD2@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:53:56 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scratch CC: Dale Horstman , DCC , Spike Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys References: <20010307032504.74107.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HEY! What's with this old white guy stuff!!! Well, okay, but I don't think Fonda had much to do with it, it's plain economics. Got the job locked down, the house about paid for, kids thru college = disposable income! Us old farts can afford a Harley. And Harleys are kinda slow on the draw, perfect match for old fart reaction times. Now when you raelly get old and slow, time for Buick = Gold Wing :-) Bill Scratch wrote: > The Horkster asketh... > > Amazing the percentages of white males. What gives? > > I think we can blame a lot of it on Peter Fonda. And > the magazine named for The Movie (or was it 'tuther > way 'round?). > > This is my theory (which was probably overheard in > some bar somewhere): For a long time, Easy Rider was > popular reading material in the the smallest rooms in > American houses. Once those adolescent Captain America > wannabe's grew up to be accountants (not that there's > anything wrong with that), they could buy into their > long-dormant Fonda fantasies. Mid life crisis seems > to be the best time to do it. > > In 50 words, more or less, that's one theory on the > popularity of HD's with Old White Guys. > > What movie/song/video can we blame for the African > American sportbike fad? > > Rich > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 23:06:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.32.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2746nU04365 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010307040643.YSBQ20559.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@XXXXXX>; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:06:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3AA5B342.DD3E2F2@home.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:04:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) References: <50.12530da7.27d6f7cb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > > Fellow Riders: I would have to strongly agree with "THE HORKSTER", we > need to do something to get riders of all ethnic backgrounds, etc. together > and in one place on a good ride. Brian, Hopefully, we'll be having semi-organized group rides throughout the coming months like we have been the past few years. I guess if we pass the word out to DC Sportbike as well, we might get a few takers. Hopefully, we'll get as much variety amongst the riders (white, black, brown, red, tan, freckled, striped...) as we do among the bike (sportbikes, cruisers, tourers, standards, rat-bikes, dual-sports...). I think that would be highly cool. :) > After all we are all brothers and sisters. Yes, we are. > Whats the problem my fellow riders, are we going to talk or are we going to > try to do something about this?!? I think the problem was that nobody realized that we should have mentioned that we would happily welcome ANYONE who came out to ride. I think it was sort of assumed to be the case by most everyone, and just never talked about. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 23:16:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.32.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f274GWU04517 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010307041626.YXQI20559.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@XXXXXX>; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:16:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3AA5B58B.1A16C743@home.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:14:03 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Howard J. Koontz" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... References: <000901c0a6b0$316918c0$e3a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > They also had questionable riding abilities. The group was hell bent > for leather in the straights, but I needed sunglasses for all the brake > lights in the turns. They too seemed to lack a "group riding" mentality, > meaning ride courtesy, a common mindset on the road, hand signals, protocol, > etc. That does kind of seem at odds with our group rides, huh? The best rides I've been on slow down a little bit on the straights, sort of let everyone regroup, and form up into that double-file staggered formation, until the next set of twisties. Then it's back to single file, gaps between bikes lengthen a bit, the speed stays about the same or even increases a bit (unless the curves are really tight). Hand and foot signals (pointing out potholes, roadkills for the riders behind you) are common, signals are used for lane changes, etc. Now *that* makes for some enjoyable group riding, IMO. My favorite part is watching the bikes single file in front of you, each leaning over in sequence as you take a corner, kind of like dominoes. :) > It was more of a mob mentality where each one was trying to show the > others up with speed and hi-jinks (off-corner wheelies, stoppies at lights, > hole shots, etc.) I never went back or even followed the clubs activities > anymore. Sad. But I can't hardly blame you, I'd be uncomfortable riding in a group with behaveior like that, too. Maybe our rides are too laid back and boring for most of the DC-Sportbikers to enjoy? :) > > I'd personally love to go to a motorcycle gathering and see... > ...more female riders, etc. > > I second that. And third. And half the fourth. Cool. I wasn't sure how everyone else felt about this, it sort of seemed to be a topic that we never talked about. Dale -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 23:18:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.32.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f274I8U04527 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010307041754.YYIT20559.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@XXXXXX>; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:17:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3AA5B5E3.8240D5CF@home.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:15:31 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) References: <50.12530da7.27d6f7cb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > > Fellow Riders: I would have to strongly agree with "THE HORKSTER", we > need to do something to get riders of all ethnic backgrounds, etc. together > and in one place on a good ride. Brian, So what kind of bike do you ride? Like it? Dale -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 23:20:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.32.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f274KPU04606 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010307042023.YZIB20559.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@XXXXXX>; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:20:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3AA5B677.595BBA6E@home.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:17:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scratch CC: DCC , Spike Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys References: <20010307032504.74107.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scratch wrote: > > The Horkster asketh... > > Amazing the percentages of white males. What gives? > > I think we can blame a lot of it on Peter Fonda. > What movie/song/video can we blame for the African > American sportbike fad? Just think, if we didn't have Peter Fonda, we might all be idolizing Tom Cruise (not!) and that amazing dual-sport stunt-bike Triumph of his... Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 6 23:37:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f274bEU04842 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010307043709.QSHJ24349.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:37:09 -0800 Message-ID: <00c001c0a69e$cd17b360$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "DCC" References: <20010307032504.74107.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> <3AA5B677.595BBA6E@home.com> Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:37:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > Just think, if we didn't have Peter Fonda, we might > all be idolizing Tom Cruise (not!) and that amazing > dual-sport stunt-bike Triumph of his... Those Triumphs were the only bikes I've ever seen that could spontaneously grow knobbies. I wish my tires could do that. -James '00 SV650Y From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 00:07:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2757pU05360 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010307050749.RVIU24349.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:07:49 -0800 Message-ID: <00d301c0a6a2$ea793a60$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <50.12530da7.27d6f7cb@aol.com> <3AA5B342.DD3E2F2@home.com> Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:06:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Well said Dale. I whole heatedly agree with the spirit of your post but I don't want to ride with a group that conducts it self in the manner that Mr. Koontz described in a separate post. I would love to see this group grow and diversify and would welcome any responsible rider regardless of race but I don't want to ride with squids regardless of race. I'm sure not all of the DC Sportbike guys fit that description and I'm not saying that an invitation should not be extended (My god, that's a lot of negatives in one sentence. Where's editor Laura when ya need her). I do think that we should include a link to the "Group Ride Rules and Etiquette" page from the DC Cycles web site. That being said, how about swapping URLs and making sure other regional groups are aware of this season's Bike Nights and race weekends at Summit. -James '00 SV650Y ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:04 PM Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) > EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Fellow Riders: I would have to strongly agree with "THE HORKSTER", we > > need to do something to get riders of all ethnic backgrounds, etc. together > > and in one place on a good ride. > > Brian, > > Hopefully, we'll be having semi-organized group rides throughout the > coming months like we have been the past few years. I guess if we > pass the word out to DC Sportbike as well, we might get a few takers. > > Hopefully, we'll get as much variety amongst the riders (white, black, > brown, red, tan, freckled, striped...) as we do among the bike > (sportbikes, > cruisers, tourers, standards, rat-bikes, dual-sports...). I think > that would be highly cool. :) > > > After all we are all brothers and sisters. > > Yes, we are. > > > Whats the problem my fellow riders, are we going to talk or are we going to > > try to do something about this?!? > > I think the problem was that nobody realized that we should have > mentioned that we would happily welcome ANYONE who came out to ride. > I think it was sort of assumed to be the case by most everyone, and > just never talked about. > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 08:09:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27D9BU13612 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f27D99G18859 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:09:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:09:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: DC lane sharing In-Reply-To: <3AA55E8E.9F0E53CF@home.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: >> Wouldn't shaft drive take away one of the big positives of dual sport >> bikes - light weight? > >Yeah, I suppose. But how much heavier is a shaft drive than a >chain and sprockets, anyway? Are we talking 20 pounds, or 50? When you're already talking about bikes that weigh a minimum of 50 lbs over real dirt bikes even 20 lbs is significant if the bike is really intended as a dual sport, at least by my definition. >[Hmm, ever wonder why "Spacely Sprockets" was still in business in >George Jetson's future world? Could that be some ominous foreshadowing >by Hanna & Barbarra? :)] I suspect you'd have trouble shifting gears on your bike without sprockets! >What attracts me to the Quota is... SNIP >In effect, the perfect Rally bike. :) Yep, I've got some interest in a bike in this class as well. Like you mine would be purely for street use (with dirt roads falling in to my street use category). >that funky Big-bird/BilltheCat-double-front-fender look of the BMW1150GS >makes me break out in hysterics everytime I see one. Yeah, those silly Germans! :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 08:29:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27DT5U13915 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:26:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Scratch'" , Dale Horstman Cc: DCC , Spike Subject: RE: Dirty White...Boys? Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:26:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think that Harleys (or "Hardleys" as some of us like to deride them) have wide appeal. Naturally, anything that appeals to lots of people, is going to have some protaganists who are marginal. Unfortunately for the image of motorcycling, that margin is much more interesting to reporting entities than just regular folks doing a lot--the majority--of regular riding. We don't have to allow pinheads to run organizations and events, however. The proper answer from civilized people to bigotry is to denounce it whenever and wherever it rears it ugly "pinhead." Put into action, when was the last time any of us showed up the stupidity of a racist, a mysogynist, an anti-semite, or a homophobe in a "water cooler" or pub conversation? Sorry if I got too strident. I will make a point of riding at least 50 miles the next decent day. -----Original Message----- From: Scratch [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:25 PM To: Dale Horstman Cc: DCC; Spike Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys The Horkster asketh... > Amazing the percentages of white males. What gives? I think we can blame a lot of it on Peter Fonda. And the magazine named for The Movie (or was it 'tuther way 'round?). This is my theory (which was probably overheard in some bar somewhere): For a long time, Easy Rider was popular reading material in the the smallest rooms in American houses. Once those adolescent Captain America wannabe's grew up to be accountants (not that there's anything wrong with that), they could buy into their long-dormant Fonda fantasies. Mid life crisis seems to be the best time to do it. In 50 words, more or less, that's one theory on the popularity of HD's with Old White Guys. What movie/song/video can we blame for the African American sportbike fad? Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 08:30:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27DURU14012 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:30:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:30:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200103070830.AA227279336@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: "Visibility, Sir" X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f27DURU14013 "Visibility, Sir." That's how I answered the VA State Trooper after he pulled me over. I'd been following his 'unmarked' car on I-66, and wondering if he could legally use the HOV lanes with only one person in the car. I got closer than intended a couple times because he was going only 55-60mph, and the ST1100 is barely at idle at those speeds. Note to self: ride in 4th gear to stay at 55-60. He turned on his blue lights and motioned me to follow him to the side of the road. He donned his hat and came back to me as I raised the front of my helmet and pulled my face mask below my chin. "Why do you use high beams in the daytime," he said, with a little edge to his voice. "Visibility, Sir." He then politely pointed out that it was illegal to ride with high beams during the day, and it can really get some people "pissed off" (his words). I agreed, and pointed out that most wrecks are caused by car drivers "not seeing" us. He asked why an ordinary headlight wouldn't do that and I said because the high beam is brighter and has a bigger pattern. I agreed with him about road ragers and the lack of physical protection for motorcyclists. He'd made his point, I hadn't disagreed with him but explained why I did what I did. We each said thank you and he was on his way. Conclusions: 1. The law I could find (see below) says dim your lights if within 200 ft. of a car in front of you. I think I'll just use low-beam if following a police car at all. 2. I should get a headlight modulator and use it on the low-beam. It's legal and effective. Chris Norloff from http://leg1.state.va.us/ M-' 46.2-1034. When dimming headlights required. Whenever a vehicle is being driven on a highway or a portion thereof which is sufficiently lighted to reveal any person or object upon such highway at a distance of 350 feet ahead, the operator of such vehicle shall use the low beam of his vehicle's headlights or shall dim the headlights if the vehicle has single-beam lights. Whenever a vehicle approaches an oncoming vehicle within 500 feet, the driver of such vehicle shall use the low beam of his vehicle's headlights so aimed that glaring rays are not projected into the eyes of the oncoming driver or dim the headlights, if the vehicle has single-beam lights. Whenever the driver of any motor vehicle approaches from the rear or follows within 200 feet of another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, the driver shall use the low beam of his vehicle's headlights or shall dim the headlights if the vehicle has single-beam lights. M-' 46.2-1012. Headlights on motorcycles; auxiliary headlights. Every motorcycle shall be equipped with at least one and not more than two headlights which shall be of a type that has been approved by the Superintendent and shall be capable of projecting sufficient light to the front of such motorcycle to render discernible a person or object at a distance of 200 feet. However, the lights shall not project a glaring or dazzling light to persons approaching such motorcycles. In addition, each motorcycle may be equipped with not more than two auxiliary headlights of a type approved by the Superintendent. Motorcycles may be equipped with means of modulating the high beam of their headlights between high and low beam at a rate of 200 to 280 flashes per minute. Such headlights shall not be so modulated during periods when headlights would ordinarily be required to be lighted under M-' 46.2-1030. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 08:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27DaTU14112 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04144 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:31:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA63887.5C2B74DA@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:32:56 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking permit on a cover?? References: <20010306132223.28981.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> <983886777.3aa4ebb99a151@www.obscure.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > Do what they do with elevators and put a sign out that says > "Permit on file in xyz office" ... > > Aside from that, I've seen heavy clear plastic "pockets" used for > conferences and the like. Perhaps you could find one which could be > sewn onto your cover. > Louis, I've got something like that here at work. Want me to send you a couple to check out? These are clear adhesive pockets that I stuff UPS address info into. They're about 61/2 in. X 10 in. You could just shove in your permit, peel off the backing and stick it to your cover. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 08:37:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9707.mail.yahoo.com (web9707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f27Db3U14122 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:37:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010307133702.17240.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.41] by web9707.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 05:37:02 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 05:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Dale Horstman , DCC , Spike In-Reply-To: <3AA5B0D4.8DE76FD2@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No disrespect intended, sir. If you ever sell that bike, I hope you let me know. Seems like a fine place for one or two people to sit for the long haul. I was talking about the ones with the brand new HD boots, HD socks, HD underwear, HD shirts, HD jackets, and HD helmets. You know, those "Bikers" with 2000 miles racked up over the last 5 years. I've even heard that some people don't want to ride their "investments" because mileage hurts their value. Some people just miss the point entirely, ya know? Rich --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > HEY! What's with this old white guy stuff!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 08:49:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27DnDU14290 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.42.11a84a91 (4510) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:49:00 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <42.11a84a91.27d7964c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:49:00 EST Subject: Re: "Visibility, Sir" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f27DnFU14291 Chris, I'm guessing you already read this part, but for everone elses benefit here's the rules for who can use the HOV lanes: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+33.1-46.2 Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this section, no designation of any lane or lanes of any highway as HOV lanes shall apply to the use of any such lanes by: 1. Emergency vehicles such as fire-fighting vehicles, ambulances, and rescue squad vehicles, 2. Law-enforcement vehicles, 3. Motorcycles, 4. a. Transit and commuter buses designed to transport sixteen or more passengers, including the driver, b. Commuter buses and motor coaches operating under irregular route passenger certificates issued under M-' 46.2-2010 and any vehicle operating under a certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity or as a common carrier of passengers under M-' 46.2-2004 or M-' 46.2-2010, 5. Vehicles of public utility companies operating in response to an emergency call, or 6. Until July 1, 2004, vehicles bearing clean special fuel vehicle license plates issued pursuant to M-' 46.2-749.3. ---------------- Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 08:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27DpMU14369 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.39.172.216] by mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool172-216.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.172.216]) id QQkfid26639 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:51:21 GMT From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:51:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'm curious to find out who has taken the Advanced Motorcycle Course offered by MSF? In particular, how does it differ from the regular course? Dan From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 08:54:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27Ds0U14380 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f27DrnK09650; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:53:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA63C1D.40E3D89B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:48:13 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Goldberg, Saul" CC: "'Scratch'" , Dale Horstman , DCC , Spike Subject: Re: Dirty White...Boys? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Goldberg, Saul wrote: > The proper answer from civilized people to bigotry is to denounce it > whenever and wherever it rears it ugly "pinhead." Put into action, when was > the last time any of us showed up the stupidity of a racist, a mysogynist, > an anti-semite, or a homophobe in a "water cooler" or pub conversation? > Yesterday for me. Seems the folks I work with, all self-employed, are mostly right wing extremists and are eiasily *wound up*. I drop a little cue phrase and they go off on a rant, showing their ass, and usually capping their blather by calling me a flaming asshole liberal. Actaully, I'm a moderate - fiscally speaking - must be my heathly disdain for organized religion attempting to rule the secular government that makes them so hostile. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 08:57:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27DvqU14466 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:57:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:57:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200103070857.AA228459072@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DCC Subject: RE: Dirty White...Boys? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Goldberg, Saul" >The proper answer from civilized people to bigotry is to denounce it >whenever and wherever it rears it ugly "pinhead." Put into action, when was >the last time any of us showed up the stupidity of a racist, a mysogynist, >an anti-semite, or a homophobe in a "water cooler" or pub conversation? It's hard, especially if you don't want to pick a fight (or get into a fight with someone who wants to pick one). I vote with my feet, and that is noticed by others (but not by the original loudmouth). Also, when anti-homosexual speech comes up, such as "I don't want to see that concert, there'll be a bunch of homo's there" then I say "Oh, I'm not going for sex, I'm going for music" and then drop it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 09:01:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27E1JU14540 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:01:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:01:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200103070901.AA383123916@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DCC Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Scratch >No disrespect intended, sir. ... > >I was talking about the ones with the brand new HD >boots, HD socks, HD underwear, HD shirts, HD jackets, >and HD helmets. You know, those "Bikers" with 2000 >miles racked up over the last 5 years. I've even >heard that some people don't want to ride their >"investments" because mileage hurts their value. You forgot the gen-u-ine HD dog collars, HD dog hats, and HD dog bandannas. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 09:06:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27E6qU14632 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f27E6MK11736; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:06:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA63F0F.912F23C6@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:00:47 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scratch CC: Dale Horstman , DCC , Spike Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys References: <20010307133702.17240.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit None taken, just joking around. Hmmm... My harley boots and harley helmet (Shoei) got trashed in a wreck, no H-D socks, but Milady bought me H-D undies and a shirt, and aI have an two H-D jackets and a pair of chaps, actually less expensive than those I found on the racks at *other* shops. But the milage thang, going on 20K in a little over 3 years. An Investment? Make me laugh, better off buying H-D stock, but you can't ride the damn stock. I'll probably ride my bike until the pistons are slapping, unless the age creaks take over and force me to get a newer rig with a sidecar. Bill Scratch wrote: > No disrespect intended, sir. If you ever sell that > bike, I hope you let me know. Seems like a fine place > for one or two people to sit for the long haul. > > I was talking about the ones with the brand new HD > boots, HD socks, HD underwear, HD shirts, HD jackets, > and HD helmets. You know, those "Bikers" with 2000 > miles racked up over the last 5 years. I've even > heard that some people don't want to ride their > "investments" because mileage hurts their value. Some > people just miss the point entirely, ya know? > > Rich > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > HEY! What's with this old white guy stuff!!! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 09:17:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27EHNU14759 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from RichardSperry ([24.23.45.126]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010307141723.FDKJ24349.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@RichardSperry>; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:17:23 -0800 Message-ID: <00bc01c0a711$e3e210e0$7e2d1718@hwrd1.md.home.com> From: "Richard Sperry" To: Cc: Subject: Parking permit on a cover?? Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:21:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Just a thought, take a small piece of clear window film, stick the permit on the film, than put the film on the windshield. The permit is on the bike, and can be removed easily. In fact I have seen an ad for something like this. Rich >>>>>>snip<<<< >Subject: Parking permit on a cover?? >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 05:22:23 -0800 (PST) > >Folks, I need some help... > >My apartment complex is threatening to tow my motorcycle (Kawasaki >Concours) >because I don't have a parking permit on it. However, the only parking From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 09:29:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9704.mail.yahoo.com (web9704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f27ETAU14949 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:29:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010307142909.96520.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.41] by web9704.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 06:29:09 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:29:09 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: HD Socks To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Dale Horstman , DCC , Spike In-Reply-To: <3AA63F0F.912F23C6@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You don't have the HD socks!!!? I think that proves you aren't one of "them." I just hope you realize that by not wearing the HD socks, your bike warrantee is null and void. ;) CU, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 09:35:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (mail7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27EZtU15106 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cox.rr.com ([66.61.39.23]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:35:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA64756.2273526C@cox.rr.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:36:07 -0500 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Daytona 200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded from the Bandit list ... For all of us unfortunate souls that cannot make it down to Daytona this time around... Here is the TV schedule for Daytona racing coverage... EVENT DATE TIME NETWORK Daytona 200 Qual 3/10 2-3 A ESPN2 Daytona 200 Qual 3/11 5-6 A ESPN2 Daytona 200 3/11 5:30-8 P ESPN2 Daytona 200 3/15 1-3:30 P ESPN2 Daytona 200 3/20 1-3 P ESPN 600 SuperSport 3/17 3:30-4:30 P ESPN2 600 SuperSport 3/20 5-6 A ESPN2 750 SuperSport/Pro Th 3/23 1-3 A ESPN2 750 SuperSport/Pro Th 3/23 1-3 P ESPN2 Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 09:38:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27EcdU15131 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA01353 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:38:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:38:19 -0500 (EST) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: HOV info Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII for those of you who like to commute in the HOV lanes on your motorcycle: a comprehensive listing of the hours that HOV is in effect: www.slug-line.com Lisa '95 VFR that frequents I-270 HOV :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 09:51:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f27EpnU15387 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26174 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2001 14:51:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20010307145147.26173.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 06:51:47 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:51:47 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: Re: You guys have to see this... To: dcbike In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii howsabout: http://www.marineturbine.com/y2kinnov.htm --- Sean Jordan wrote: > This is nuts. And I want it. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=566827966 > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of > death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA Novice #230 > MARRC member #3038 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 09:53:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27ErFU15397 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-45-78.s332.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.78] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14afJS-0000NW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:53:14 -0500 Message-ID: <012901c0a716$75212740$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:53:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Dan, The one-day Experienced RiderCourse assumes you have a fair amount of riding under your belt and you provide the motorcycle. The classroom portion spends a fair amount of time on the finer points of traction management and street strategies. Range includes reviews of straight line braking, braking on curves, cone weave, etc. Exercises that build on the novice course include selecting entrance speeds for different radius curves, combining braking and swerving (I should say brake, then swerve.) They're not building you up from nothing, but a lot of the lessons about posture, looking through turns, four-fingered braking are stressed just like in the novice course. This is from memory; I have the lesson plan at home. ----- Original Message ----- From: > I'm curious to find out who has taken the Advanced Motorcycle Course > offered by MSF? > In particular, how does it differ from the regular course? > Dan > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 10:19:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vasfw03.fdic.gov (vasfw03.fdic.gov [192.147.69.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27FJXU15796 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by vasfw03.fdic.gov; id KAA11548; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(151.174.4.145) by vasfw03.fdic.gov via smap (V5.5) id xma010699; Wed, 7 Mar 01 10:17:28 -0500 Received: by s00exc101.fdic.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:17:31 -0500 Message-ID: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A68B1@s01exc102.fdic.gov> From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'William J. Huson'" , Scratch Cc: Dale Horstman , DCC , Spike Subject: RE: Dirty White Boys Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:17:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was flipping through ads in last week's Sunday paper and saw some national pet store chain was advertising officially licensed H-D dog collars, leather H-D dog vests and leather H-D dog caps. Sheesh! Greg "Scratch" Myles Forum Host, Mid-Atlantic Motorcycle Riders Forum http://www.delphi.com/mmrf/start -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:01 AM To: Scratch Cc: Dale Horstman; DCC; Spike Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys None taken, just joking around. Hmmm... My harley boots and harley helmet (Shoei) got trashed in a wreck, no H-D socks, but Milady bought me H-D undies and a shirt, and aI have an two H-D jackets and a pair of chaps, actually less expensive than those I found on the racks at *other* shops. But the milage thang, going on 20K in a little over 3 years. An Investment? Make me laugh, better off buying H-D stock, but you can't ride the damn stock. I'll probably ride my bike until the pistons are slapping, unless the age creaks take over and force me to get a newer rig with a sidecar. Bill Scratch wrote: > No disrespect intended, sir. If you ever sell that > bike, I hope you let me know. Seems like a fine place > for one or two people to sit for the long haul. > > I was talking about the ones with the brand new HD > boots, HD socks, HD underwear, HD shirts, HD jackets, > and HD helmets. You know, those "Bikers" with 2000 > miles racked up over the last 5 years. I've even > heard that some people don't want to ride their > "investments" because mileage hurts their value. Some > people just miss the point entirely, ya know? > > Rich > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > HEY! What's with this old white guy stuff!!! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 10:30:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13005.mail.yahoo.com (web13005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f27FUnU16030 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:30:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010307153044.6428.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web13005.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 07:30:44 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:30:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Parking permit resolved... for now To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Last night Linda Tanner did me a huge favor by sewing the parking permit, under some plastic, onto my motorcycle cover. Thanks so much Linda. I agree with several of the points that Leon and others made to me about how the apartment complex should take all things into consideration. I called the manager up to propose Leon's idea of writing "Permit number XXXX on file in the office." Not only did she shoot that down, but also told me that she couldn't waste her time on this matter because it was so minor. Gee, they threaten to tow my bike, tell me I must have a permit on that isn't made for motorcycles, but it's not an important matter to them. Guess my 6 years of living there means nothing to them. A few people have sent me information about other apartment complexs that are a little more motorcycle friendly, and believe me, I am saving them. Thanks again for all the advice, suggestions, comments, etc. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 10:57:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f27FvjU16441 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5763 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2001 15:57:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010307155744.5762.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 07:57:44 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: I forgot... To: dcbike MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii how to unsubscribe from dc-cycles. I no longer have time to even read all of these messages, let alone reply to them in a manner I find amusing. Somebody please remind me. It's been ridiculous ;>, and I'll be sure to let y'all know when I have my bike together. One less trouble-maker can only be constructive, right? Thanks for all of the useful info, too. Justin I can't resist the temptation, however, to comment on race relations. Black folks and white folks (Mexicans, Cubans, Chinese folks, Californians etc.) are raised in a different culture than each other, even within one country. This creates major differences in the way people perceive their environment, and fellow folks. I do not recall in my early education any attempt to enlighten me as to what constitutes a cultural difference. They tried to teach us that everyone is the same. Biologically this is basically true, psychologically it's obviously bullshit. It was a noble effort on their part, having more success than anything previously attempted. However, one cannot begin to comprehend the differences that culture create without either being immersed in another culture or educated. These are the differences that separate the races. I basically had to find this out for myself. I don't suspect many others would be willing to make the effort, since they mostly seem to lack the curiosity, intelligence, and hormonal configuration that led me to delve into Black and Latin culture. What I knew was somewhat formalized by my Peace Corps training, which was otherwise worthless. Well, French can be fun. Anyhow, what I really learned in Peace Corps cross-cultural training is that the government and the education community are fully aware of the import of cultural differences, and of how to prepare people for coping with these differences in a civilized fashion. The fact that they don't, or at least didn't, include this in the basic education that our little ones get indicates to me that they are: disinterested in fostering racial (almost typed "facial": Freud?) harmony; interested in racial disharmony; suffering from denial about the existence of multiple cultures within our nation; or really as stupid as I thought. The way I see it, there are few viable solutions to bridge this cultural gap, but those solutions work. Educate people that there are differences, and that those differences are due to various cultural influences. Encourage people to hang out together. And finally, my favorite, the grassroots, working-class solution: as Warren Beatty put it in Bulworth "a voluntary free-spirited procreational program of racial disintegration." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 13:39:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f27IdCU19020 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 12:41:42 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 12:36:46 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f27IdQU19021 Wow, Motorcycle roadracing that's not on Speedvision, cool Here in Montgomery county Comcast does not offer Speedvision...just a bunch of crappy channels. I only seem to get Xtreme motocross jumping or snowmobile racing on ESPN anymore. (BORING!) George Cole 00 VFR 99 R6 >>> Larry Meyer 03/07/01 09:36AM >>> Forwarded from the Bandit list ... For all of us unfortunate souls that cannot make it down to Daytona this time around... Here is the TV schedule for Daytona racing coverage... EVENT DATE TIME NETWORK Daytona 200 Qual 3/10 2-3 A ESPN2 Daytona 200 Qual 3/11 5-6 A ESPN2 Daytona 200 3/11 5:30-8 P ESPN2 Daytona 200 3/15 1-3:30 P ESPN2 Daytona 200 3/20 1-3 P ESPN 600 SuperSport 3/17 3:30-4:30 P ESPN2 600 SuperSport 3/20 5-6 A ESPN2 750 SuperSport/Pro Th 3/23 1-3 A ESPN2 750 SuperSport/Pro Th 3/23 1-3 P ESPN2 Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 15:10:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f27KADU20515 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:10:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust105.tnt5.washington.dc.da.uu.net (HELO pavilion) (63.36.105.105) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2001 20:10:10 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: Cc: "Dccycles" Subject: Re: DC lane sharing Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:13:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal >What attracts me to the >Quota is the large tank, lots >of suspension travel, good >ground clearance, cylinders >sticking out in the breeze >(making valve adjustments >fairly trivial) and that whole >Moto Guzzi >long-distance-runs-forever >mystique (you know, the >same rep that BMW has so >recently lost...) moto guzzis run longer than bmws? where did you get this from? when did bmw lose this. last ti e i checked bmw motos were very capable of 200k miles. I dont know much about moto guzzis thou? How is ktm for reliability? I'd want >something equally at home >on Interstates and dirt >roads, with the ability to >make it across the occasional >high curb or muddy field >(the Concours fairing does >this farmer's plow thing once >the tires start sinking in the >mud, not conducive to >making good time). In >effect, the perfect Rally >bike. :) > >Besides, the Tiger's recent >paint jobs strike me as >juvenile, the new tiger looks more like a real tiger now. it has character. plus with the 955i engine, its a real tough bike. i prefer the older tigers, like the one i own. i wish i had the 955i engine in mine. and that funky >Big-bird/BilltheCat-double-fr >ont-fender look of the >BMW1150GS makes me >break out in hysterics >everytime I see one. > >:) sure does resemble a bird, i love it. what do you think of ktm lc8, now that is a weird looking bike. you can see it at www.motorcycle.com. its a monse but it kinda looks like a ktm duke, only supersized with a 900cc motor to tackle the african flats at 140mph. > >> Of course, the list above >isn't really a dual sport list >as most of the bikes are >adventure tourers or jacked >up street bikes. > >Agreed. If I wanted a dirt >bike that was street legal, >(so wouldn't have to trailer >it to the fun places) I'd >probably go with something >more in the 250-400cc >range, myself. The biggest >obstacle to that is a legal >place to ride one around >here. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 15:35:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27KZ0U20892 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G9U00A1UH5TGI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:34:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G9U00A01H5MWT@XXXXXX>; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:34:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G9U0097OH5ITN@XXXXXX>; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:34:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:34:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: DC lane sharing To: Ricardo Pontes Cc: Dccycles Message-id: <3AA69B52.295BEF25@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > >and that whole > >Moto Guzzi > >long-distance-runs-forever > >mystique (you know, the > >same rep that BMW has so > >recently lost...) > > moto guzzis run longer than bmws? > where did you get this from? when did bmw lose this. last ti e i checked bmw > motos were very capable of 200k miles. Oh, the motors are just fine. It's the trannies that are going tit's up left and right over on the LDrider list. 30,000 miles seems to be the magic number. Some of them are having final drive problems, too. And then there's the issue of the soft rims. And the ABS faults. And the oil usage. And the dead batteries. And the smoke on start up. And the sidestands. And the plastic tanks that warp and melt due to engine heat...(although they "fixed" that problem by dropping the offending bike from the lineup, I think...) But sweet damn, for $15,000+ you get a really cool BMW roundel on the gas tank, I guess that goes a long way towards offsetting all the other problems, right... :) > I dont know much about moto guzzis thou? I don't either, really. I've heard that the motors are wonderfully understressed. And the trannies take a long time to break in. (30,000 miles or so, the same amount of time a beemer tranny takes to just break...). Guzzis have their share of quirks, but they've got a very loyal and rabid following, too. I wouldn't mind having a Goose in the stable someday. (Gotta get a stable, first...) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 17:38:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27McGU22958 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id m.7f.1121896f (4244); Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:37:53 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7f.1121896f.27d81240@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:37:52 EST Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7f.1121896f.27d81240_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 --part1_7f.1121896f.27d81240_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > four-fingered braking are stressed just like in the > Am I the only one who finds this wrong? I took the MSF course and the instructor wanted to fail me because I didn't use 4 fingers on the brake. I've got a couple of miles roadracing and showed him by demonstrating a stoppie from 40 mph that I had plenty of power available and that I could control it better with 2 fingers on the lever and the rest of my hand controlling the throttle for blipping during downshifts. His reasoning was I need the power of 4 fingers in a panic stop. I find that I have a hard time steering and braking at the same time when I use 4 fingers on the lever. And if I'm raising the rear wheel 12 or so inches off the ground how much more power do I need? I also find that I have more control over the modulation of the front brake and I'm less likely to squeeze too hard and lock the front during a panic stop if I use 2 fingers. Or am I out in left field again? :) Steve Broadstreet --part1_7f.1121896f.27d81240_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pawilson@XXXXXX writes:


four-fingered braking are stressed just like in the
novice course.

 Am I the only one who finds this wrong? I took the MSF course and the
instructor wanted to fail me because I didn't use 4 fingers on the brake.
I've got a couple of miles roadracing and showed him by demonstrating a
stoppie from 40 mph that I had plenty of power available and that I could
control it better with 2 fingers on the lever and the rest of my hand
controlling the throttle for blipping during downshifts.
 His reasoning was I need the power of 4 fingers in a panic stop. I find
that I have a hard time steering and braking at the same time when I use 4
fingers on the lever. And if I'm raising the rear wheel 12 or so inches off
the ground how much more power do I need? I also find that I have more
control over the modulation of the front brake and I'm less likely to squeeze
too hard and lock the front during a panic stop if I use 2 fingers.
 Or am I out in left field again?  :)

Steve Broadstreet
--part1_7f.1121896f.27d81240_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 17:46:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27MkcU23114 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-40-205.s205.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.205] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14amhZ-0003Xe-00 ; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 17:46:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c0a758$960d7980$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <7f.1121896f.27d81240@aol.com> Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:46:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: SBave@XXXXXX To: pawilson@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course pawilson@XXXXXX writes: four-fingered braking are stressed just like in the novice course. Am I the only one who finds this wrong? I took the MSF course and the instructor wanted to fail me because I didn't use 4 fingers on the brake. You're right, there's a fair amount of dogma in the MSF courses that seasoned riders will not agree with. When you teach the MSF courses, you do it their way, or not at all. For the novice rider on the street four fingers is better. For experienced riders, YMMV. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 18:04:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27N4ZU23391 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p25.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.25]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29163 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:04:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA6BEBC.1000600@radix.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 18:05:32 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) References: <50.12530da7.27d6f7cb@aol.com> <3AA5B342.DD3E2F2@home.com> <00d301c0a6a2$ea793a60$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Reazor wrote: > Well said Dale. I whole heatedly agree with the spirit of your post but > I don't want to ride with a group that conducts it self in the manner that > Mr. Koontz described in a separate post. I would love to see this group grow > and diversify and would welcome any responsible rider regardless of race but > I don't want to ride with squids regardless of race. You know, in all my 31 years, I've lived around DC. Grew up in PG county, went to public schools and by all accounts, I'm successful & consider myself blessed. One of the things that I have always enjoyed as a biker and a DC Cycles subscriber (since the EARLY 90's) is that they are 2 facets of life in the DC Metro area that is not inundated with the issue of race. As in the Army, I was not white or caucasian - I was green, so it is with bikers ; they are neither red, yellow, black or white - (well, ok, HD RUBs are looked down on ) A biker is a biker, facing the same problems that I do, enjoying the same things I do on my ride. I could not care less what the racial make up of a group ride is. I wave to every rider I can, stop for any that can, etc... I'd just as soon not have race brought up in the 'last refuge' of 'colorless' life around here. Yeah, it may sound 'apolitically correct' but so what. ObMoto: I'm thinking of a dual sport - KLR / XR / DR with some tax refund money - any suggestions ? NOT a new one, street legal, able to commute with, etc... The Ninja could use a stable mate... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 18:16:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27NGQU23636 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-42.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.106]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA30494 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:16:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA6C18C.CB2A2774@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 18:17:32 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course References: <7f.1121896f.27d81240@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, FWIW, I think you're in "right" field. I had the same issue when I took MSF. My instructor(s) weren't as hard-over about covering the brake with 4 fingers. But that's what they teach and I can understand the need for uniformity. My demonstration wasn't quite as dramatic as your's, but I "proved" that I had more than adequate control with just 2 fingers covering the brake lever. And with steel braided brake lines and HH pads on a modern sportbike, 2 fingers is almost always more than enough stopping power. But I tend to think that for an absolute rank beginner who has no prior riding experience (which you are obviously not and I like to generously also consider myself not), 4 fingers may likely be "better". Chuck P.S. I was also told not to drag the pegs during the cornering exercise or I would be failed! %^) > Am I the only one who finds this wrong? I took the MSF course and the > instructor wanted to fail me because I didn't use 4 fingers on the brake. > I've got a couple of miles roadracing and showed him by demonstrating a > stoppie from 40 mph that I had plenty of power available and that I could > control it better with 2 fingers on the lever and the rest of my hand > controlling the throttle for blipping during downshifts. > His reasoning was I need the power of 4 fingers in a panic stop. I find > that I have a hard time steering and braking at the same time when I use 4 > fingers on the lever. And if I'm raising the rear wheel 12 or so inches off > the ground how much more power do I need? I also find that I have more > control over the modulation of the front brake and I'm less likely to squeeze > too hard and lock the front during a panic stop if I use 2 fingers. > Or am I out in left field again? :) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 18:23:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f27NNjU23746 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f27NNbG10247; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:23:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:23:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Dave Yates cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) In-Reply-To: <3AA6BEBC.1000600@radix.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Dave Yates wrote: > You know, in all my 31 years, I've lived around DC. Grew up in >PG county, went to public schools and by all accounts, I'm successful & >consider myself blessed. Wow, Dave, you sound like me but a year younger... >ObMoto: I'm thinking of a dual sport - KLR / XR / DR with some tax >refund money - any suggestions ? NOT a new one, street legal, able to >commute with, etc... The Ninja could use a stable mate... Of those three bikes they basically go from dirt oriented to street oriented in this order XR => DR => KLR. Accessories for the XR tend to be performance oriented (since most of the dirt only XR parts can be put on the dualsport). Accessories are limited for the DR (from what a DR guy I know has told me). The KLR has a lot of adventure touring accessories available for it. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 18:31:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f27NV1U23912 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16077 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Mar 2001 23:31:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010307233100.16075.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 18:30:59 -0500 Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course As paul also stated. go to an MSF class (either one) and they will demand that you do what they say to the letter. If they say 4 fingers is "The Way(tm)" then you will fail if you don't use it. I'm fully aware of your concerns and that using 4 finger (I use 3 since my pinky won't reach anyway) is far more likely to result in locking up the front at bad moments. But you are free to toss-off the MSF's pronouncements while you ride on the road. Their guidelines are really rather more important for beginners. I'm somewhat disappointed in the ERC insisting on 4 fingers at all and making an issue of it. Insisting on using both brakes (instead of just rear) is IMO a more reasonable issue on which to grind an axe. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 18:39:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f27NdSU24031 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:39:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010307233927.28187.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.186] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:39:27 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:39:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3AA6BEBC.1000600@radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > I'd just as soon not have race brought up in the 'last > refuge' of 'colorless' life around here. Yeah, it may > sound 'apolitically correct' but so what. welcome back, dave. where ya been? i agree with you, but since the issue HAS come up, i'd like to chip in my .02: bikers are bikers....and every biker i've ever met i considered a friend immediately because of the commonality. however (and although i missed the opportunity to say this earlier), i would like to add my support for the voice(s) which stated that having a 'black biker week' does nothing to promote harmony and everything to cause division. imo, it amounts to a form of a historically accepted in-the-face racism. there is a major, unnerving double standard going on behind the scenes of this type of stuff. > ObMoto: I'm thinking of a dual sport - KLR / XR / DR > with some tax refund money - any suggestions ? NOT a new > one, street legal, able to commute with, etc... The > Ninja could use a stable mate... a couple things on this topic: 1. will you be focusing on the off-road capabilities of the bike? most "dual-purpose" bikes are really not suitable for spirited off-road riding. they are heavy as hell and they are underequipped in the suspension/tires/gearing departments. 2. dirtbikes which are converted to street-legal status via a bajadesigns (or other manuf.) kit are very easy to steal when used for commuting. they are very light, and they have no keyed ignition. it's kick-and-go (or lift-and-go) for a thief. 3. that being said, if i were in your shoes (which i am) and i had the money (oops! i'm no longer in your shoes) i'd still buy an xr400 and street-legalize it. but i would carry a ny chain and/or other suitable preventative measures with me ... everywhere i went. 4. commuting on a zx-11 is quite enjoyable (i did it for 1.5 years). my bet is you'll tire of commuting on a dirtbike/dual purpose bike ... that is, unless your commute takes you off-road. :) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 19:02:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2802wU24557 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p25.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.25]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01842 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:02:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA6CC70.4090600@radix.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 19:04:00 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) References: <20010307233927.28187.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer interjected : > --- Dave Yates wrote: > >> I'd just as soon not have race brought up in the 'last >> refuge' of 'colorless' life around here. Yeah, it may >> sound 'apolitically correct' but so what. > > > welcome back, dave. where ya been? I'll condense this to a couple of sentences, & save my rant for later - Contract ended in late January, fortunately, I was days from an offer letter from my new employer - not that I'm the least bit forgiving of my previous sheist< er employer. WHILE renovating my new house in Alexandria - a scant 3.7 miles from my new office :-) Post move in, I've fixed the washer, dishwasher, put the satellite dish up, and unearthed what's left of a severely rutted driveway & begun patching it. > i agree with you, but since the issue HAS come up, i'd like > to chip in my .02: bikers are bikers....and every biker > i've ever met i considered a friend immediately because of > the commonality. As I think 99 if not 100% of the DCC listers feel... and as it should be. > > however (and although i missed the opportunity to say this > earlier), i would like to add my support for the voice(s) > which stated that having a 'black biker week' does nothing > to promote harmony and everything to cause division. imo, > it amounts to a form of a historically accepted in-the-face > racism. there is a major, unnerving double standard going > on behind the scenes of this type of stuff. Since you've opted to be the DCC lightning rod on this thread, no sense in me even TRYING to compete. :-) I just hate to see a race thread even make it's way on to this list... I know where it'll go, I just don't want to be anywhere near there. Let's just ride. > >> ObMoto: I'm thinking of a dual sport - KLR / XR / DR >> with some tax refund money - any suggestions ? NOT a new > > >> one, street legal, able to commute with, etc... The >> Ninja could use a stable mate... > > > a couple things on this topic: > > 1. will you be focusing on the off-road capabilities of the > bike? most "dual-purpose" bikes are really not suitable > for spirited off-road riding. they are heavy as hell and > they are underequipped in the suspension/tires/gearing > departments. ` As a search of the DCC archives will reveal (search for the keywords F*CKWIT BROTHERS) I've never had a dirt bike (thanks to said F*ckwit siblings), and as yet, I've been unable to shame them into getting me one. Primarily, this will be a street bike, I don't envision trucking this thing to a set of trails with a bunch of hard core dirt riding teens that will inevitably humiliate me :-| > > 2. dirtbikes which are converted to street-legal status via > a bajadesigns (or other manuf.) kit are very easy to steal > when used for commuting. they are very light, and they > have no keyed ignition. it's kick-and-go (or lift-and-go) > for a thief. Definitely going to look for a street legal ride up front, thanks for the tip... > > 3. that being said, if i were in your shoes (which i am) > and i had the money (oops! i'm no longer in your shoes) i'd > still buy an xr400 and street-legalize it. but i would > carry a ny chain and/or other suitable preventative > measures with me ... everywhere i went. How about an already street compliant model that's close ? > > 4. commuting on a zx-11 is quite enjoyable (i did it for > 1.5 years). It's been quite enjoyable for 8 years now, in various stages of displacement & power > my bet is you'll tire of commuting on a > dirtbike/dual purpose bike ... that is, unless your commute > takes you off-road. :) I've scraped the fairing on the Ninja by filtering... I need a beater, want a dirt bike... -- -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 19:56:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13002.mail.yahoo.com (web13002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f280upU25478 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:56:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010308005612.81700.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.227.172] by web13002.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:56:12 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:56:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3AA6C18C.CB2A2774@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Steve, > > FWIW, I think you're in "right" field. I had the same issue when I took > MSF. My instructor(s) weren't as hard-over about covering the brake > with 4 fingers. I wasn't hard over enough with you?? I'll have to get tougher then!! > But that's what they teach and I can understand the > need for uniformity. As others pointed out, when we teach, we are assuming all of the students are beginners, and trying to give you good habits. Still, there are more dangerous things that can be done on the range than using 2 fingers. > P.S. I was also told not to drag the pegs during the cornering exercise > or I would be failed! %^) Yeah, you wouldn't give me that excuse I needed to toss ya! ;-) (Seriously, Chuck did really well, and was a pleasure to have in class) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 21:14:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f282EDU26849 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA8381767; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 02:20:10 GMT Message-ID: <005501c0a775$8898c760$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: "Howard J. Koontz" , Cc: References: <000901c0a6b0$316918c0$e3a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:14:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Wow, something I can respond to. I get DC Cycles mail at home now and usually am too damn tired to read everything, so I trash most of it. : ( Sad... ; ) I used to enjoy reading everything that came in, but alas, Big Brother is watching at work, so I have to get my DC Cycles mail at home... I am also a DC Sportbike member - wow, shocking, a white girl, right? ; ) I have been very well welcomed by all of the members that I have met and have found them to be amazingly nice people, to the extent that I think they're a hell of a lot nicer than I would be to an unknown person entering "my" group... ; ) BUT you're right on the whole riding thing...I think there's a lot of "dick measuring" going on (excuse my French). The one ride I did go on with some of them, Tom (husband, not Gimer) ; ) & I noticed there was a prevalence of squid-ism. I didn't choose to go on another ride with them, as crash reporting amongst members online was a much higher percentage than I was comfortable with, but as people, they're a hell of a nice and fun bunch. I felt much more comfortable on DC Cycles rides for RIDES, however. There's always someone watching out for you and there just seems to be less of a competitive type vibe. As a newbie, I always felt like I would never be left in teh dust, and believe me, when I started out, I was S L O W. Perhaps the whole watching for others is 'cause DC Cycles has a wide range of ages, as well as abilities (?) Not sure on that one. As for the race thing, I'll bring up another firebrand. Why is it every time I'm carrying my helmet/getting off my bike, white women look at me like I'm to be feared or run from, and black women give me the "GO GIRL!?" thumbs up, happy smiles, and shouts? Sorry, but that's made me kinda bitter, to tell you the truth... (not speaking of any of our females on the list, of course)... Any other women experience the same type of thing? I have had black women stop me on the street and ask me what I ride, ask for advice, and just generally give me a great attitude about the whole thing, whereas usually white women look at me like I'm scum. Personally, I think that sucks. Yes, I have had a couple glasses of wine tonight, loosens the tongue. ; ) That's it for me. Sorry for the diatribe. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Biker Dichotomy... > > I am a DC-Sportbike member. It looked like a great way to meet people > and share a common interest. The first "ride" I showed up to was very > intimidating, however. I was one of three or so white guys, the rest black > men (save one black female), out of a group of 25 or so. They admitted it > was a small turn-out, but representative of the group as a whole > nonetheless. I had next to nothing in common with this group save for > motorcycling, and couldn't even really make polite conversation. > They also had questionable riding abilities. The group was hell bent > for leather in the straights, but I needed sunglasses for all the brake > lights in the turns. They too seemed to lack a "group riding" mentality, > meaning ride courtesy, a common mindset on the road, hand signals, protocol, > etc. It was more of a mob mentality where each one was trying to show the > others up with speed and hi-jinks (off-corner wheelies, stoppies at lights, > hole shots, etc.) I never went back or even followed the clubs activities > anymore. > > I'd personally love to go to a motorcycle gathering and see... > ...more female riders, etc. > > I second that. And third. And half the fourth. > > > Howard J. Koontz > 1998 CBR600F3 (For Sale- > http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R178727+Q358105073) > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail (For Sale) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 21:26:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f282QsU27030 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-74-202.s202.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.74.202] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14aq8h-0003bo-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:26:52 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Replies to Digest Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:25:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c0a777$0286a820$ca4a2c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Race and motorcycles: I have my prejudices. I won't ride with squids or anyone not bright enough to keep self-preservation in mind (ie, dress for a crash). Nor will I ride with anyone who demonstrates, either by the need to beat their chest or just plain ignorance, that they are a better rider than me by occupying my "safe" space and otherwise exhibiting disregard for my safety. The description Mr. Koontz portrayed concerning the DC-Sportbike crowd melds with my own limited contact with same. R1s pulling long wheelies from 60mph up. Wow! What big doo-dads you have....goodbye. ST1100 blinding the LEOs: I agree with the LEOs. I don't like it when a riding buddy keeps his high-beams on behind me. Only time I use mine are in the dead of night and nobody oncoming, or approaching busy intersection. Shaft Driven Everything: Give it a rest Dale! ;-) Parking Sticker Display: Sounds like you and Linda got this worked out Louis. I agreed with Leons assessment only because I'm a hard-headed libertarian and believe the best defense is a great offense and I ALWAYS feel defensive....So watch it bud!!! Experienced Riders Course: Don't believe the hype (4 fingers). As I recall from the last 3 times I participated in this course, the instructors each explained that they were interested in having us practice what we will NEED in a panic situation. I just happen to never need more then 3 fingers :-) HD Bashing (Accessories/Garments): hehehehehe. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 21:30:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f282UGU27181 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.169.159]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f282U6M71567; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:30:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000601c0a777$8cb6a220$9fa92626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: "Jeannette_Zell" , Cc: References: <000901c0a6b0$316918c0$e3a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> <005501c0a775$8898c760$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:29:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, You know, I've been analying my comments a lot since my last post. I must say, I feel I have expressed myself poorly. I meant no disrespect to the crew at DC-Sportbike as human beings. They are a great bunch of like minded peoples who do a lot both on and off the bike, and have what seems to be a great comraderie. Also, the ride I went on was about 18 months or so ago, when the club was in its infancy. Today Granville et al. have put a lot of energy into structure inside the group, have organized well and run a top rate club. Additionally, many of the members of DC-SB *ARE* talented, as their race records will attest. Some race 1/4 miles at Budds and MIR, some road race at Summit, VIR and Raush (Rash) Creek and many others will someday I'm sure. I just noticed my differences were mostly socio-economic and relational. I didn't have a lot in common with them outside of the bikeworld. That, and the club at the time was quite unformed and I'll say downright dangerous, as reports have confirmed in teh form of accidents and fatalities. Today maybe much has changed. But I am new to DC-Cycles, and hope to participate in an effort to meet new people and fill my otherwise empty nights and weekends. I tried that with DC-SB to no avail. I hope I find a home with you all. Howard Howard J. Koontz 1998 CBR600F3 (For Sale- http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R178727+Q358105073) 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail (For Sale, make offer) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 7 22:10:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f283AaU27786 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:10:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010308031035.21769.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.38.142] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 19:10:35 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:10:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3AA6CC70.4090600@radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer interjected > > however (and although i missed the opportunity to say > > this earlier), i would like to add my support for the > > voice(s) which stated that having a 'black biker week' > > does nothing to promote harmony and everything to cause > > division. imo, it amounts to a form of a historically > > accepted in-the-face racism. there is a major, > > unnerving double standard going on behind the scenes of > > this type of stuff. > > Since you've opted to be the DCC lightning rod on this > thread, no sense in me even TRYING to compete. :-) I just > hate to see a race thread even make it's way on to this > list... I know where it'll go, I just don't want to be > anywhere near there. Let's just ride. i'm all for that. and i don't think that anything has been said that would prohibit that from occurring. > > 3. that being said, if i were in your shoes (which i > > am) and i had the money (oops! i'm no longer in your > > shoes) i'd still buy an xr400 and street-legalize it. > > but i would carry a ny chain and/or other suitable > > preventative measures with me ... everywhere i went. > > How about an already street compliant model that's close? for a street-legal-out-of-the-box kickass dirtbike, that would be the ktm420[]/620[]... but they're pretty darn expensive. btw, afaik kirk roy would be the best source for info on this subject. > > my bet is you'll tire of commuting on a > > dirtbike/dual purpose bike ... that is, unless your > > commute takes you off-road. :) > > I've scraped the fairing on the Ninja by filtering... I > need a beater, want a dirt bike... rubbin' is racin', man! :) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 08:24:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f28DOkU08360 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 3636 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2001 05:24:35 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm010jim) (208.167.98.62) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 05:24:35 -0800 X-Sent: 8 Mar 2001 13:24:35 GMT Message-ID: <010801c0a7d4$3f0e9700$5302a8c0@ibm010jim> From: "Jim Caldwell" To: References: <200103080000.f2800BY24438@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:32:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norlof wrote: Conclusions: 1. The law I could find (see below) says dim your lights if within 200 ft. of a car in front of you. I think I'll just use low-beam if following a police car at all. 2. I should get a headlight modulator and use it on the low-beam. It's legal and effective. The regulations on headlight monitors allow either the high or low beam to be modulated, which means that the high beam modulated would not illegal by Federal mandate during daylight hours (when the modulators work) even in jurisdictions like DC which prohibit high beam usage under any circumstances. I'm amused by you young pups speculating about why old guys like Harleys. I have a valkyrie and my wife has a harley. Just wait until you get a 50 year old body and see how much the crotch rocket riding position appeals to it. Enjoy it while you can, then get a cruiser. I do agree, however, that the Harley is the bike of choice for wannabes and posers. I also think that the whole clothing and accessory line immensely helps their appeal with female riders (along with the vibrations, of course). Jim Caldwell, Owings, MD From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 08:30:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28DUHU08504 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f28DUFG29954 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:30:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:30:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys In-Reply-To: <010801c0a7d4$3f0e9700$5302a8c0@ibm010jim> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Jim Caldwell wrote: >I'm amused by you young pups speculating about why old guys like >Harleys. I have a valkyrie and my wife has a harley. Just wait until >you get a 50 year old body and see how much the crotch rocket riding >position appeals to it. Enjoy it while you can, then get a cruiser. There are plenty of comfortable bikes out there besides cruisers... I also know quite a few old dawgs riding sportier bikes. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 08:54:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28DsUU08796 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip130.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.130]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17428; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:53:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA78F62.21C2728@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 08:55:46 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Howard J. Koontz" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... References: <000901c0a6b0$316918c0$e3a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> <005501c0a775$8898c760$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> <000601c0a777$8cb6a220$9fa92626@apnHOFOJOKO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know about finding a "home", but hopefully you will find opportunities to both ride and socialize with fellow DC-Cycles listers. Based on my personal schedule, I will try to lead a handful of DC-Cycles group rides this year and will probably make them more "social" in nature. As you meet people and make friends, you'll probably end up hanging out and riding with them on a semi-regular basis. Mark Kitchell and I are getting the first 2 or 3 or 4 "formal" Bike Nights organized as we speak. I know other folks have said they will be organizing some other bike nights (formal and informal) too, particularly on the MD side of the river. Is DC-Cycles "better" than DC Sportbikes? I suppose there are some folks on both sides who would make that claim for one group vs. the other. IMHO, they're just different groups that appeal to different folks for different reasons. And even within the DC-Cycles "family", there are little "cliques" (not meant in a pejorative way). But people hang out and ride with whom they're comfortable with. Most (but not all) of my closest friends on the list are sportbike riders. Just so happens I'm a sportbike rider. Now if you realy want to have fun, subscribe to the DC-Cycles2 list that Laura Granato set up! There we discuss pretty much everything except motorcycles and no holds are barred. Ciao, Chuck http://www.geocities.com/bikenight "Howard J. Koontz" wrote : > > But I am new to DC-Cycles, and hope to participate in an effort to meet > new people and fill my otherwise empty nights and weekends. I tried that > with DC-SB to no avail. I hope I find a home with you all. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 09:24:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web905.mail.yahoo.com (web905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.80]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f28EOKU09305 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12753 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2001 14:24:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010308142416.12752.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web905.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 06:24:16 PST Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:24:16 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7f.1121896f.27d81240@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > I've got a couple of miles roadracing and showed him > by demonstrating a > stoppie from 40 mph that I had plenty of power > available and that I could > control it better with 2 fingers on the lever and > the rest of my hand > Or am I out in left field again? :) The correct line according to the curriculum is 4 fingers on the brake. The also recommend keeping the rear wheel locked all the way to a stop on pavement and a few other things that are biased toward being easier for beginning riders. The advanced riding course is for people with at least 2000 miles riding experience. Although I expect most road racers to have 'at least 2000 miles riding experience' it doesn't follow that the course is presented at an optimum level for them. They don't tell us to throw you out of the course for doing a stoppie, we're only supposed to throw you out for deliberately doing wheelies. In my opinion, you were in the wrong course. Leon. The opinions above are my own, not those of the MSF. Disclaimer: I do not teach the advanced MSF course, only the beginner course. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 09:26:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web1.po.com (web1.po.com [204.178.220.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28EQ2U09318 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from www@localhost) by web1.po.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id JAA23039; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:22:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:22:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103081422.JAA23039@web1.po.com> X-Authentication-Warning: web1.po.com: www set sender to bnbowesmd@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Bowes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: replies Louis and Police officers Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What Louis writes about his apartment complex is infuriating. I would happily write a letter to the management siting their discrimination and offering to broadcast to my friends to steer clear of their unhelpful establishment. Secondly. I agree and always highbeam until I get close in proximity to another car. But it was just yesterday morning I saw a motorcycle police officer headed north 95 HOV with his headlight turned off. This may give some insight into the mentality of atleast a second law enforcer. Isnt it ashame we dont have safety officers in the USA that is what we really need. I see plenty of dangerous drivers not legitimately breaking any rules. Brian Woodbridge 92 Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 09:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.147]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28EbaU09569 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:37:29 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:37:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:37:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2001 14:37:29.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D8E5B40:01C0A7DD] When I took the ERC, the question of how many fingers to use came up and the instructor basically said that while he would encourage us to use 4 fingers, he realized that an "experienced" rider may already be using less fingers effectively, and he wasn't going to make an issue of it. Of course, he may have been a wiser, more enlightened individual. There are some who follow the "company line" no matter what - others will adapt to the circumstances. Perry >From: Leon Begeman >[snip] >The correct line according to the curriculum is 4 >fingers on the brake. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 09:54:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28EshU09835 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:54:36 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612E77@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: One for Cryor Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:54:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Heh, Gridlock oughta see this: http://gtser.kendra.com/images/baby2.jpg Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 09:55:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f40.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28EtNU09848 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:55:17 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:55:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:55:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2001 14:55:17.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA1D7E50:01C0A7DF] In looking at my response, I realized that it might be construed that I was criticizing Leon, or implying that he was a "toe-the-line" kind of instructor. That was not my intention. Actually, I believe that Leon would be the more reasonable type of instructor. Perry >From: "Perry Coleman" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:37:29 -0500 > >When I took the ERC, the question of how many fingers to use came up and >the >instructor basically said that while he would encourage us to use 4 >fingers, >he realized that an "experienced" rider may already be using less fingers >effectively, and he wasn't going to make an issue of it. Of course, he may >have been a wiser, more enlightened individual. There are some who follow >the "company line" no matter what - others will adapt to the circumstances. > >Perry > >>From: Leon Begeman >>[snip] >>The correct line according to the curriculum is 4 >>fingers on the brake. >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 10:19:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28FJPU10250 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G9V00DG5X6KM1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:18:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G9V00G01X6CQW@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:18:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G9V00FFFX623F@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:18:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:17:57 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course To: SBave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AA7A2A5.307807D0@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <7f.1121896f.27d81240@aol.com> Steve wrote: > His reasoning was I need the power of 4 fingers in a panic stop. I find > that I have a hard time steering and braking at the same time when I use 4 > fingers on the lever. And if I'm raising the rear wheel 12 or so inches off > the ground how much more power do I need? Steve, What kind of bikes are you riding that you can do stoppies with 2 fingers? The old Connie? Damn, tell me how! My bike takes a big 4-fingered grab to slow down, I've found that 2 fingers isn't enough... Maybe I need to go to stainless lines, or something... BTW, I sort of agree with you, if you can do it with 2, go for it. The MSF tends to be a little bit uptight about certain things. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 10:48:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28FmGU10747 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-44-15.s15.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.15] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14b2eF-0007G0-00 ; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:48:15 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c0a7e7$4fc26dc0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Perry Coleman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:45:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Coleman > In looking at my response, I realized that it might be construed that I was > criticizing Leon, or implying that he was a "toe-the-line" kind of > instructor. That was not my intention. Actually, I believe that Leon would > be the more reasonable type of instructor. > > Perry > > >From: "Perry Coleman" > > > >When I took the ERC, the question of how many fingers to use came up and > >the > >instructor basically said that while he would encourage us to use 4 > >fingers, > >he realized that an "experienced" rider may already be using less fingers > >effectively, and he wasn't going to make an issue of it. Of course, he may > >have been a wiser, more enlightened individual. There are some who follow > >the "company line" no matter what - others will adapt to the circumstances. > > > >Perry > > > >>From: Leon Begeman > >>[snip] > >>The correct line according to the curriculum is 4 > >>fingers on the brake. The MSF curriculum, as implemented by the Virginia Rider Training Program, places a great deal of emphasis on conformity to set standards. One of the reaons is that the students, particularly the novices, come from a variety of backgrounds and will go on to ride all sorts of bikes. This is the only time some of them will receive feedback from anyone regarding their riding. Since underbraking the front is a common error and a contributor to crashes, MSF teaches the course in such a way that gets newbies to apply maximum pressure to the lever. From most people, four fingers is the best, but by no means the only, way of achieving maximum pressure and control. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm in the process of becoming an instructor right now. During the instructor prep they basically say that you must set aside your own preferences and it's "their way or the highway." You may be God's gift to motorcycling, but following their curriculum is paramount, even if you know a better way. That said, from my own experience from taking the RSS and ERC, meeting the exercise objective (getting the bike stopped in the correct distance in the case of braking) is more important than using all four fingers. The instructors pointed out that I wasn't using all four, but didn't make a federal case out of it. Out of the reasons they point out such things is to make you aware of what you're going, self-awareness being one of the trademarks of the "thinking" rider. As a practical matter, I really only use two fingers to apply pressure to the lever. The others are there for show. My pinky is too short to make much difference and the index finger is too close to the pivot point. During the evaluation, I don't think there are point deductions for two-fingered stops, but there are deductions for not stopping in the required distance. Paul in DC Opinions my own, not MSF's, etc., blah, blah .... From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 10:51:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28FpeU10847 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id KAA21687; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:48:31 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma014298; Thu, 8 Mar 01 10:44:31 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0G9V009QNYH2US@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:46:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:46:58 -0500 Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=85256A090056D16C8f9e8a93df938690918c85256A090056D16C" Content-disposition: inline X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 03/08/2001 10:47:33 AM --0__=85256A090056D16C8f9e8a93df938690918c85256A090056D16C Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here, Here. I had a similar experience when I took the MSF ERC. I believe I have more control with two fingers as well. I haven't heard a compelling arguement yet for four fingered braking. To state that you need the power of four fingers so you can pull the lever harder indicates to me that the course materials need to be updated since I ride a modern bike without drum brakes. --chris SBave@XXXXXX on 03/07/2001 05:37:52 PM To: pawilson@XXXXXX dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > four-fingered braking are stressed just like in the > Am I the only one who finds this wrong? I took the MSF course and the instructor wanted to fail me because I didn't use 4 fingers on the brake. I've got a couple of miles roadracing and showed him by demonstrating a stoppie from 40 mph that I had plenty of power available and that I could control it better with 2 fingers on the lever and the rest of my hand controlling the throttle for blipping during downshifts. His reasoning was I need the power of 4 fingers in a panic stop. I find that I have a hard time steering and braking at the same time when I use 4 fingers on the lever. And if I'm raising the rear wheel 12 or so inches off the ground how much more power do I need? I also find that I have more control over the modulation of the front brake and I'm less likely to squeeze too hard and lock the front during a panic stop if I use 2 fingers. 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Why is it every > time I'm carrying my helmet/getting off my bike, white women look at me like > I'm to be feared or run from, and black women give me the "GO GIRL!?" thumbs > up, happy smiles, and shouts? Sorry, but that's made me kinda bitter, to > tell you the truth... (not speaking of any of our females on the list, of > course)... Any other women experience the same type of thing? Why yes, yes I have...Let me tell you...white gals tend to be jealous of girls who ride bikes...black women think you're the bomb. I have a lot of friends who think it's cool that I ride, but that's because they aren't threatened by me...it all goes to the whole women/jealousy thing... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 11:22:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28GM1U11361 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id LAA18249 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:21:40 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:24:39 -0500 Message-ID: <01C0A7C2.5D7470A0.danthompson@libertyhs.com> From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: 2 finger braking, was RE: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:24:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 26 TEXT Here is a thought, suppose you make it a habit of 2 finger braking and you have to make an emergency stop. You grab with your 2 fingers and clamp down on the lever. Of course it has been a while since the fluid has been changed, or the lines bled, and the hoses have been stretch. Now as you clamp down, you come into contact with your 2 fingers remaining on the grip. Two results, smashed fingers and less stopping power. Of course if you are in the habit of very good maintenance on the brake lines, fluids, pads, etc...this will NEVER be a problem, right? Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:47 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Here, Here. I had a similar experience when I took the MSF ERC. I believe > I have more control with two fingers as well. I haven't heard a compelling > arguement yet for four fingered braking. snip..... From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 11:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28GQQU11396 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f28GVDV17470 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:31:14 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:31:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103081131131B.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 08 Mar 2001, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Here, Here. I had a similar experience when I took the MSF ERC. I believe > I have more control with two fingers as well. I haven't heard a compelling > arguement yet for four fingered braking. To state that you need the power > of four fingers so you can pull the lever harder indicates to me that the > course materials need to be updated since I ride a modern bike without drum > brakes. Oh damn... here I am playing Devil's advocate again... I don't think it has anything to do with stopping power. It has to do with safety. If you have two fingers on the brake lever... the two renegade fingers are somewhere else - probably on the throttle. In the case of a non-perfect stop (i.e. loss of balance, need to make an avoidance maneuver, etc) there is a chance those two fingers with nothing better to do just might twist the throttle. An "experienced rider of 2000 miles" (Think about how good of a rider you were after only 2000 miles, and remember that most people don't go off on jaunts to the mountains when they first start riding) Should still be focusing on core skills. Teaching 4-fingers makes sense - the worst case scenario is... you stop. The worst case scenario otherwise is that you don't stop... or worse. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 11:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28GZvU11667 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G9W0097V0Q1BM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:34:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G9W00D010PSXV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:34:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G9W00C7X0PPGQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:34:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:34:31 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: RE: Biker dichotomy In-reply-to: <200103080000.f2800BY24438@dirty.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <001901c0a7ed$a7b15b80$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I have been reading the list comments about biker community makeup. I would just like to say that both I and my wife are looking forward to warmer weather so we can participate in group rides, meet other listers, and share our hobby/avocation/way of life. I think its been said by others, but we are a very diverse group, and our common bond is motorcycling in its various permutations. Being new to the area, I have felt welcomed by the group, and if I had ever thought that membership/association/inclusion in the DC-Cycles list was based on anything but our common hobby (and geographic area to some extent...) then I would never have joined. Thanks for the use of the bully pulpit! Robert Robert Verde 1983 Honda VF750F Interceptor 1988 Yamaha FZR400 (spousal unit's ride) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 11:36:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28GapU11677 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id LAA27626; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma025408; Thu, 8 Mar 01 11:32:15 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0G9W00H7Z0OMM3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:33:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:34:35 -0500 Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 03/08/2001 11:35:16 AM So that begs the question ... Is there a process/timeline for updating "their way" and the training materials? i.e. Is there a procedure for instructors to recommend revisions to the course? Just curious, --chris In the interest of full disclosure, I'm in the process of becoming an instructor right now. During the instructor prep they basically say that you must set aside your own preferences and it's "their way or the highway." You may be God's gift to motorcycling, but following their curriculum is paramount, even if you know a better way. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 11:38:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28GcUU11687 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id LAA01514; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:35:19 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma029898; Thu, 8 Mar 01 11:34:38 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0G9W00HDW0SNM3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:36:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:37:14 -0500 Subject: Re: 2 finger braking, was RE: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course To: danthompson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 03/08/2001 11:37:41 AM Or looking at it another way ... if your maintenance is that poor, the lever would most likely squish that extra quarter of an inch occupied by your fingers and it a full stop against the throttle as well. --chris Danny Thompson on 03/08/2001 11:24:33 AM To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" cc: Subject: 2 finger braking, was RE: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Here is a thought, suppose you make it a habit of 2 finger braking and you have to make an emergency stop. You grab with your 2 fingers and clamp down on the lever. Of course it has been a while since the fluid has been changed, or the lines bled, and the hoses have been stretch. Now as you clamp down, you come into contact with your 2 fingers remaining on the grip. Two results, smashed fingers and less stopping power. Of course if you are in the habit of very good maintenance on the brake lines, fluids, pads, etc...this will NEVER be a problem, right? Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:47 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Here, Here. I had a similar experience when I took the MSF ERC. I believe > I have more control with two fingers as well. I haven't heard a compelling > arguement yet for four fingered braking. snip..... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 11:44:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28GiOU11812 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f28Gn9V17593; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:49:10 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:49:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103081149091C.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 08 Mar 2001, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Here, Here. I had a similar experience when I took the MSF ERC. I believe > I have more control with two fingers as well. I haven't heard a compelling > arguement yet for four fingered braking. To state that you need the power > of four fingers so you can pull the lever harder indicates to me that the > course materials need to be updated since I ride a modern bike without drum > brakes. Ever ride one of them Harley-Davidson motorcycles? I think an anchor was an option for mine... wish I had taken it :D In all seriousness... yes, I can stoppie my Duc with two fingers. The Harley, on the other hand, takes a weee bit more effort to slow down. Also see my other post on the subject :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 11:49:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28GniU11913 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id LAA23024; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:46:09 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma021262; Thu, 8 Mar 01 11:44:54 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0G9W00JID19P9D@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:46:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:47:25 -0500 Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 03/08/2001 11:47:56 AM Brian, I don't consider a rider experienced at 2000 miles. That was the MSF's criteria, not mine. I have had to do panic stops. I am comfortable doing so with 2 fingers. My comments were not that 2 fingers shouldn't be taught, but rather addressed the original posters comments that he would fail the couse for not doing so. In addition, I have taken the MSF ERC a few times (I occasionally use it as a "refresher" course). It threw me off when I was forced to change a behavior (that is insignificant IMHO) that I had been using for 30k+ miles at the time. Note: I didn't belabor the point, refuse to comply, or otherwise disrupt the class. I used four fingers as instructed. However, with the amount of MSF instructors we have on this list, it seems to be an appropriate forum to pose the question. I still am interested in how the materials get updated. Do they add anything new to the course as a result of changes in motorcycling? i.e. ABS. --chris Brian Roach on 03/08/2001 11:31:13 AM Please respond to roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course On Thu, 08 Mar 2001, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Here, Here. I had a similar experience when I took the MSF ERC. I believe > I have more control with two fingers as well. I haven't heard a compelling > arguement yet for four fingered braking. To state that you need the power > of four fingers so you can pull the lever harder indicates to me that the > course materials need to be updated since I ride a modern bike without drum > brakes. Oh damn... here I am playing Devil's advocate again... I don't think it has anything to do with stopping power. It has to do with safety. If you have two fingers on the brake lever... the two renegade fingers are somewhere else - probably on the throttle. In the case of a non-perfect stop (i.e. loss of balance, need to make an avoidance maneuver, etc) there is a chance those two fingers with nothing better to do just might twist the throttle. An "experienced rider of 2000 miles" (Think about how good of a rider you were after only 2000 miles, and remember that most people don't go off on jaunts to the mountains when they first start riding) Should still be focusing on core skills. Teaching 4-fingers makes sense - the worst case scenario is... you stop. The worst case scenario otherwise is that you don't stop... or worse. - Roach ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 11:52:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28GqcU11993 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id LAA30947 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:52:37 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:55:33 -0500 Message-ID: <01C0A7C6.AE7FACE0.danthompson@libertyhs.com> From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: 2 finger braking, was RE: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:46:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 81 TEXT Given a choice of squishing my fingers and giving up a 1/4" of added stopping power or not, guess what I would choose.... :) Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:37 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Or looking at it another way ... if your maintenance is that poor, the > lever would most likely squish that extra quarter of an inch occupied by > your fingers and it a full stop against the throttle as well. > > --chris > > > > > > Danny Thompson on 03/08/2001 11:24:33 AM > > > > > > To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" > cc: > Subject: 2 finger braking, was RE: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course > > > Here is a thought, suppose you make it a habit of 2 finger braking and you > have > to make an emergency stop. You grab with your 2 fingers and clamp down on > the > lever. Of course it has been a while since the fluid has been changed, or > the > lines bled, and the hoses have been stretch. Now as you clamp down, you > come > into contact with your 2 fingers remaining on the grip. Two results, > smashed > fingers and less stopping power. Of course if you are in the habit of very > good > maintenance on the brake lines, fluids, pads, etc...this will NEVER be a > problem, right? > > Danny > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > '98 VTR > '00 SV (For SALE) > www.onewayracing.org > > Proudly Sponsored by: > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > On Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:47 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > > Here, Here. I had a similar experience when I took the MSF ERC. I > believe > > I have more control with two fingers as well. I haven't heard a > compelling > > arguement yet for four fingered braking. > snip..... > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 12:09:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28H9JU12284 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.39.172.216] by mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool172-216.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.172.216]) id QQkfmi02709; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:09:17 GMT From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01C0A7C6.AE7FACE0.danthompson@libertyhs.com> References: <01C0A7C6.AE7FACE0.danthompson@libertyhs.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:09:15 -0500 To: Danny Thompson Subject: RE: 2 finger braking Cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" What about braking before a turn. Seems you would want to use two fingers. And I'm not too keen on looking through the turn on unfamiliar public roads. I'd like to see what junk I need to avoid. Dan At 11:46 AM -0500 3/8/01, Danny Thompson wrote: >Given a choice of squishing my fingers and giving up a 1/4" of added stopping >power or not, guess what I would choose.... :) > >Danny >#903 Novice (WERA, CCS) >'98 VTR >'00 SV (For SALE) >www.onewayracing.org > >Proudly Sponsored by: >Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers >www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > >On Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:37 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX >[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > > Or looking at it another way ... if your maintenance is that poor, the > > lever would most likely squish that extra quarter of an inch occupied by > > your fingers and it a full stop against the throttle as well. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 12:16:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28HG9U12460 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:13:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org (E-mail)" , "PC800 List (E-mail)" Subject: Getting Re-accquainted/Somewhat Off-topic Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:13:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Fellow Listers, Pieces of several recent postings on both lists have reminded me of an important safety insight that I would like to share as we approach the season of getting back on our bikes. (Snide comments for those year-round regions, notwithstanding.) That is, that most accidents happen within the first six months of riding. This is more relevant for new riders. But the principle of newness also applies to experienced riders on a new machine OR starting again even on a familiar machine after a layoff. In other words, when the experience is not fresh, things may not always go as planned. So, please, when you start again, don't push things as far as you remember that you can from last time. Test your acceleration, turning, and stopping skills well within the safety envelope before you crack the throttle and challenge those twisties. Be patient, at least until you really feel those skills returning, or until you "make that new bike your own." I want the chance to meet you before your funeral and preferably when you can still walk to the pub or pizza joint. Thank you for your attention. Saul Goldberg Gaithersburg MD '89 pearl PC800 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 12:19:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28HJvU12480 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G9W005C02OFWK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:17:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G9W00L012OCXK@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:17:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G9W00L5X2NW0U@XXXXXX>; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:16:44 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:16:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AA7BE77.221ED1F9@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <50.12530da7.27d6f7cb@aol.com> <3AA5B342.DD3E2F2@home.com> <00d301c0a6a2$ea793a60$856a0618@XXXXXX> <3AA6BEBC.1000600@XXXXXX> Dave Yates wrote: > One of the things that I have always enjoyed > as a biker and a DC Cycles subscriber (since the EARLY 90's) is that > they are 2 facets of life in the DC Metro area that is not inundated > with the issue of race. As in the Army, I was not white or caucasian - > I was green, so it is with bikers ; they are neither red, yellow, black > or white - Yep, except on our group rides. In that case, the bikers are mostly male, mostly white (and mostly good folks, pleasant to be around and ride with, don't get me wrong). I just think we need to expressly mention that on our group rides, we will heartily welcome ANY rider, male, female, white, black, brown, yellow, red, green, blue...) on any type of bike. I think it's been more or less understood by most of us all along, but to an outsider looking in, we might be perceived as a bunch of Klansmen (we certainly look the part) unless we say otherwise. No big deal, it certainly won't change our standards (decent riding gear, bike in good mechanical condition, some expectations of group riding behavior and etiquette) or our destinations (Twisties! And good roads North, West, and South of the metro area). > A biker is a biker, facing the same problems that I do, enjoying the same > things I do on my ride. I could not care less what the racial make up of > a group ride is. I wave to every rider I can, stop for any that can, etc... And I agree wholeheartedly, Dave. > I'd just as soon not have race brought up in the 'last refuge' of > 'colorless' life around here. But by not bringing it up, we risk alienating riders who might want to ride with us, but don't know how we'd react to someone of a different skin tone, and is afraid to bring up the subject on the list. I think this discussion has been great, and I'm satisfied with the responses so far. Thanks, folks. Dale -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 12:26:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f214.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.214]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28HQTU12593 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:26:23 -0800 Received: from 157.142.12.29 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:26:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [157.142.12.29] From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: sgoldber@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: Getting Re-accquainted/Somewhat Off-topic Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:26:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2001 17:26:23.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5C8BA10:01C0A7F4] >From: "Goldberg, Saul" >So, please, when you start again, don't push things as far as you remember >that you can from last time. Test your acceleration, turning, and stopping >skills well within the safety envelope before you crack the throttle and >challenge those twisties. Words well spoken, Saul. We should all review those early spring hazards that are waiting for us, the sand and gravel laid down in the winter, the new pot holes and pavement cracks, the repaired pot holes and pavement cracks, water running across the Road from melting snow. Des, Okmulgee, Okla. 95 PC, Dream Weaver "The dust of the travelled Road, Shall touch my hands and face." Carl Sandburg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 12:27:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28HRIU12667 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.e3.11670688 (3952) for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:27:09 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:27:08 EST Subject: Re: Getting Re-accquainted/Somewhat Off-topic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Thanks, MOM!!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 12:28:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f28HSlU12706 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 8419 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2001 09:28:41 -0800 Date: 8 Mar 2001 09:28:41 -0800 Message-ID: <20010308172841.8418.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Mar 2001 17:28:41 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Mar 2001 09:28:41 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dsnyder@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: danthompson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.0.19 Subject: RE: 2 finger braking > And I'm not too keen on looking through the turn on unfamiliar public > roads. I'd like to see what junk I need to avoid. I may be slightly confused, but if you're doing what you're supposed to do and looking through the turn from the point you're coming up to it and through it, shouldn't you have already seen anything you'd need to avoid? I can't imagine *not* looking through a turn, just makes the turn that less smooth and not as controlled... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 12:33:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28HXlU12795 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id MAA19866; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:30:37 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma018396; Thu, 8 Mar 01 12:29:55 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0G9W00ADQ3CRL0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:31:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:32:22 -0500 Subject: RE: 2 finger braking, was RE: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course To: danthompson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 03/08/2001 12:32:57 PM My point was that your brakes failed. It wasn't added stopping power be occupied by your fingers, just more freeplay. --chris Danny Thompson on 03/08/2001 11:46:42 AM To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" cc: Subject: RE: 2 finger braking, was RE: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Given a choice of squishing my fingers and giving up a 1/4" of added stopping power or not, guess what I would choose.... :) Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:37 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Or looking at it another way ... if your maintenance is that poor, the > lever would most likely squish that extra quarter of an inch occupied by > your fingers and it a full stop against the throttle as well. > > --chris > > > > > > Danny Thompson on 03/08/2001 11:24:33 AM > > > > > > To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" > cc: > Subject: 2 finger braking, was RE: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course > > > Here is a thought, suppose you make it a habit of 2 finger braking and you > have > to make an emergency stop. You grab with your 2 fingers and clamp down on > the > lever. Of course it has been a while since the fluid has been changed, or > the > lines bled, and the hoses have been stretch. Now as you clamp down, you > come > into contact with your 2 fingers remaining on the grip. Two results, > smashed > fingers and less stopping power. Of course if you are in the habit of very > good > maintenance on the brake lines, fluids, pads, etc...this will NEVER be a > problem, right? > > Danny > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > '98 VTR > '00 SV (For SALE) > www.onewayracing.org > > Proudly Sponsored by: > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > On Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:47 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > > Here, Here. I had a similar experience when I took the MSF ERC. I > believe > > I have more control with two fingers as well. I haven't heard a > compelling > > arguement yet for four fingered braking. > snip..... > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 12:37:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28HbfU12892 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.39.172.216] by mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool172-216.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.172.216]) id QQkfmk12947; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:37:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010308172841.8418.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> References: <20010308172841.8418.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:37:38 -0500 To: LAURA GRANATO From: "Dan J. Snyder, Sales Manager" Subject: RE: 2 finger braking Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Valid point but what could be a "leaf" may turn out to be a "field mouse" upon closer inspection. While on the track, didn't you "visualize" your line by looking through the turn as opposed to scanning the road surface? At 9:28 AM -0800 3/8/01, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > And I'm not too keen on looking through the turn on unfamiliar public > > roads. I'd like to see what junk I need to avoid. > >I may be slightly confused, but if you're doing what you're supposed >to do and looking through the turn from the point you're coming up >to it and through it, shouldn't you have already seen anything you'd >need to avoid? I can't imagine *not* looking through a turn, just >makes the turn that less smooth and not as controlled... > >LAG > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 12:53:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f28HrqU13196 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27221 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Mar 2001 17:53:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010308175351.27220.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:53:50 -0500 Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course we, the instructors (another instructor hopeful, here) can make comments and such but they have to be reviewed by HQ before any material is modified. I mean, some of the training aids (eg. videos) date to the early 70's!! Not that riding basics / physics is any different... As to ABS/disk/drum issues, no, there is no distinction or acknowledgement of newer tech. It would make sense to me, frankly to have the novices bring their own bikes back for a pre-ERC sort of exercise the very next week or shortly after they get their rides and to THEN focus on issues more relevant to their particular steeds. Frankly I'd offer it for a nominal fee (if at all) during say Sunday Afternoon, or the lunchbreaks, or during classroom time when the range is idle. It's all fine and good for us (the instructors) to say "go find a parking lot, buy some cones, a tape measure, and cut some tennis balls in 1/2 and practice what you learned" but do you really think that many students take you up on that offer? I really doubt it. And since the novices have barely passed the tests to begin with, who is going to be there to remind them to look thru turns, to keep their head up, to use both brakes, to prevent or stop ingrained bad habits from rearing their head? With post-novices you don't need to go thru the glacial pace of instruction, demo rides, or any of that, really. An hours worth of concentrated practice would be extremely beneficial, IMO. Frankly, before I'd release a novice into the world, he will have done tight figure eights (dragging pegs even depending on bike), rolling U-turns, gone over a 2x4 at an angle, hopped a water hose, and practiced wet-surface braking from speed (40mph). I'd take 3 or 4 at most for a short road tour and watch and critique their road skills. Even some of us here tailgate something fierce, and even behind vehicles like trucks which offer ZERO view. Sure, the potential for mishap is greater when you're not piddling around at 15mph but students need to know how to handle the road, not some sanitary, conditioned lab environment. What do they say about lab rats? THey die with alarming frequency if put into real world conditions? The MSF does a decent job, IMO getting newbies familiar with a basic bike, it's controls, how it needs to be piloted, and essential skills to make that happen. Nothing wrong with that. But as somebody used to say: You have 2 bags, luck and experience. Hopefully you can fill the experience one before you run out of luck. IMO we should be trying to fill that experience bag before having to dip into the luck one. When you're on the road you're engaging 2+ ton vehicles who can squash you like a tomato. And said drivers won't even notice as they unwrap their newspaper coverd sack lunch sitting on the dash, yak on the phone and cut across lanes of traffic without a looksee, much less a signal... -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 14:02:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28J2mU14342 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkfmq23376; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:02:46 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkfmq26072; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:01:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:01:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, katieareynolds@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Really cool site on internal combustion engines Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Nice animations. For those of you looking for a glimpse into the workings of your car/bike engines. Or for those who already know this stuff, but like looking at cool, technical animations! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 14:04:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f28J42U14360 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA11747; Thu, 8 Mar 1973 14:12:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 1973 14:12:01 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: One for Cryor (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Great photo! Maybe some pix of entire families on small bikes (India, Viet-nam, probably elsewhere) would help put Cryor's concerns in perspective. But I doubt it. > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:54:36 -0500 > >To: 'DCCycles' > >Subject: One for Cryor > > > >Heh, Gridlock oughta see this: > > > >http://gtser.kendra.com/images/baby2.jpg > > > >Carl in Bethesda > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 14:15:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28JF4U14596 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkfmr11914; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:15:02 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkfmq28415; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:14:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:14:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, katieareynolds@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Really cool site on internal combustion engines Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Doh! http://www.howstuffworks.com/engine.htm -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 14:17:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28JHeU14616 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29458 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.133]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23496 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA52718 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max1h-5.his.com [216.32.85.5]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06536 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:17:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010308141734.01079b04@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:17:38 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: proper braking, the correct answer. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We teach that the "correct answer" is that the one that works best for you. Everyone is a little different. Personally, I don't like four finger braking, but I have seen some racers use this method to good effect. There are two additional points to remember; One finger braking is more accurate & quick for small energy burns. For example, turn four at summit point on a 750 or larger class bike. Its not that you really need to scrub off a lot of KE, but that energy needs to be shed in a specific profile / timing to get into turn four comfortably. I can and have used one finger for heavy braking, say that coming into the chicane at Daytona. However I find that using two keeps the fatigue down. For data point, my bike weights 460lbs, goes really, really fast, and I am a weakling. The thing to remember with one finger braking is that you need to move your finger's contact patch on the lever slightly outboard of where you would place it if you were two finger braking. The reason for this is the mechanical advantage of the lever is greater the further out on the lever you get. I lot of people who complain about poor brake performance are really choking up on the lever and placing their finger(s) too close to the fulcrum. In fact most people who two finger brake are really only 1.5-1.1 finger braking because that have choked up so far on the lever. 2nd point is that the MSF course is designed as the lowest common denominator for riding skill. Faulting the advise to use four fingers on the lever, or say, leaving your foot on top of the gear shift while riding (I don't know if they still teach that one) is like faulting the advise of "stop, drop and roll" when you are a professional fire-fighter. Remember, advise has to be scaled for audience. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 14:31:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28JV1U14878 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29538 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.133]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23895 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA52878 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max1h-5.his.com [216.32.85.5]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA14521 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:30:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010308143053.0107a324@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:30:56 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: proper braking, the correct answer. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Another way to prevent choking up on the brake lever is to position the master cylinder closer to the fork on the clip on such that even if you crotch of your hand is flush against the throttle twist grip, your finger(s) will contact the lever in the correct spot. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 15:08:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f28K8TU15454 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 13349 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2001 12:08:23 -0800 Date: 8 Mar 2001 12:08:23 -0800 Message-ID: <20010308200823.13348.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Mar 2001 20:08:23 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Mar 2001 12:08:22 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dsnyder@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.0.19 Subject: RE: 2 finger braking On Thu, 08 March 2001, "Dan J. Snyder, Sales Manager" wrote: While on the track, didn't you > "visualize" your line by looking through the turn as opposed to > scanning the road surface? Yes, I did look through the turn, but on the track you look much farther ahead...an in looking far ahead (because you don't have trees, etc.) you have a very clear view of the track and what is on the surface long before you get there, so by the time you get there, you're already looking way ahead to the next one. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 16:27:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28LRYU16716 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f28LWJV17990; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:32:20 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Dan J. Snyder, Sales Manager" , LAURA GRANATO Subject: Re: 2 finger braking Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:32:19 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20010308172841.8418.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103081632191D.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 08 Mar 2001, Dan J. Snyder, Sales Manager wrote: > Valid point but what could be a "leaf" may turn out to be a "field > mouse" upon closer inspection. While on the track, didn't you > "visualize" your line by looking through the turn as opposed to > scanning the road surface? You should be using the same method whether on a track or public road - "looking through the turn" is just a fancy way of saying, "Don't stare 3 feet in front of your motorcycle.". The faster you are going, the further ahead you need to look... but it's always a constant. If you see something up ahead, avoid it - be it a leaf, gopher, or anything else. Do this, and the identity of the obstacle is a moot point. If you're trying to figure out what that leaf is as you approach it, you're not looking at where your motorcycle is going to be in the next second at a high rate of speed, and that is a very, very dangerous way to ride. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 16:40:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28LeoU16891 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-43-226.s480.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.226] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14b89G-00011y-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:40:39 -0500 Message-ID: <00bd01c0a818$8a785fc0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:40:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: > Brian, > > I don't consider a rider experienced at 2000 miles. That was the MSF's > criteria, not mine. > > In addition, I have taken the MSF ERC a few times ... > with the amount of MSF instructors we have on this list, it seems to be an > appropriate forum to pose the question. > > I still am interested in how the materials get updated. Do they add > anything new to the course as a result of changes in motorcycling? i.e. > ABS. > --chris > Some comments: 1. It's impossible to fail the RSS (novice) riding evaluation just for using two fingers on the lever. In fact you completely blow two out of four exercises and still pass, as long as you don't drop the bike: that's automatic 21 points and failure. 2. Some of the ERC exercises are conducted differently to account for bikes with ABS or linked brakes. Obviously the newbie training bikes don't have ABS. ABS and linked brakes as a concept are covered in the classroom portion and in the student workbook. 3. Supposedly the courses are reviewed periodically and changes are considered, as the result of new research. A lot of the concepts behind the RSS course came out as a result of the Hurt Report that came out twenty years ago. They asked: why did these riders crash and how might training correct the deficiencies that caused the crashes? It's my understanding that changes are hashed out on the state and national level. Until the another in-depth study like "Hurt Report" comes out, I wouldn't expect a lot of changes. Due to the state-based nature of training and all the stakeholders, including state DMVs that base licensing on MSF courses, the manufacturers that contribute to MSF, NHTSA, etc., a complete revamping is no small undertaking. 4. Don't expect MSF to drop the four-fingers on the lever position, especially in the RSS, for all the reasons cited, Brian Roach's being the main one. They want you _off_ the throttle when you go for the brake. It's important for the newbies that they not accidentally grab a big handful of throttle when they try to brake. Paul in DC Opinions my own, etc. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 17:30:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f28MU4U17830 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust91.tnt5.washington.dc.da.uu.net (HELO pavilion) (63.36.105.91) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 22:29:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Sprocket changing information Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:33:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7083428.983540733527.JavaMail.arlington22201@gomailjtp04> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal DcCycles, Im thinking of changing my sprocket size in order for my kawasaki ke100 to gain a little bit of speed. I would like the little bike to maybe keep up with 50 mph uphill. What are the effects of changing the gears? The front sprocket is 14/15 , there is a front sprocket available for 11$ which is 12/19. For the rear the stock is 42/40 and there is a varied assortment of sprockets 25/46 , 47/56 , 57/63, 64/72. They all range in the 50$ range. I do now know the causes and effects of these ratios. Would it be a good idea to replace both the front and rear sprocket? Will it increase my speed on the road? Can someone explain to me in baby terms what these ratios mean?? Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph TIger 1999 Kawasaki ke100 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 17:45:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f28Mj8U18096 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11588 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Mar 2001 22:45:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010308224503.11587.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:45:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Sprocket changing information I don't know why you list 2 numbers in pairs. Sprockets only have one constant value of teeth. It's a 14 or it's a 15. It can't be both. The equation you want is this. rear / front : current speed = new rear / new front : new speed "/" means devide by Solve the equation once you figure out what speed you want. and find the new sprockets (front/rear) that will give you the desired ratio. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 17:49:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28MmxU18116 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA9284003; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:54:44 GMT Message-ID: <001201c0a822$0d242180$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: , , References: <20010308155700.24498.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:49:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Ugh. : ( ..just remembered why I don't have many female friends... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... > Why is it every > > time I'm carrying my helmet/getting off my bike, white women look at me like > > I'm to be feared or run from, and black women give me the "GO GIRL!?" thumbs > > up, happy smiles, and shouts? Sorry, but that's made me kinda bitter, to > > tell you the truth... (not speaking of any of our females on the list, of > > course)... Any other women experience the same type of thing? > > Why yes, yes I have...Let me tell you...white gals tend to be jealous of girls who ride bikes...black women think you're the bomb. I have a lot of friends who think it's cool that I ride, but that's because they aren't threatened by me...it all goes to the whole women/jealousy thing... > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 18:20:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28NKLU18686 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p38.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.38]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05543 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:20:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA813E2.7040205@radix.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:21:06 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... References: <000901c0a6b0$316918c0$e3a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> <005501c0a775$8898c760$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> <000601c0a777$8cb6a220$9fa92626@apnHOFOJOKO> <3AA78F62.21C2728@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck Pena wrote: > Now if you realy want to have fun, subscribe to the DC-Cycles2 list that > Laura Granato set up! There we discuss pretty much everything except > motorcycles and no holds are barred. BAH! I'll continue to post OT to DCC ; Flame away ! I've forgotten more DCC flame threads than most DCC 2 listers have ever seen ! -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 18:28:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f28NSLU18774 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 26357 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2001 15:28:14 -0800 Received: from 1Cust176.tnt7.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.57.200.176) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 15:28:14 -0800 X-Sent: 8 Mar 2001 23:28:14 GMT Message-ID: <00a501c0a828$469b1260$b0c8393f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: References: <000901c0a6b0$316918c0$e3a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> <005501c0a775$8898c760$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> <000601c0a777$8cb6a220$9fa92626@apnHOFOJOKO> <3AA78F62.21C2728@ix.netcom.com> <3AA813E2.7040205@radix.net> Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:34:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > BAH! I'll continue to post OT to DCC ; Flame away ! I've forgotten more > DCC flame threads than most DCC 2 listers have ever seen ! > > That may be true, but ours are more fun and more viscious! ;-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 18:32:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28NWYU18863 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p38.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.38]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12421 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:32:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA816C0.30308@radix.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:33:20 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach ( A message from a black rider) References: <50.12530da7.27d6f7cb@aol.com> <3AA5B342.DD3E2F2@home.com> <00d301c0a6a2$ea793a60$856a0618@XXXXXX> <3AA6BEBC.1000600@XXXXXX> <3AA7BE77.221ED1F9@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman opined: >> One of the things that I have always enjoyed >> as a biker and a DC Cycles subscriber (since the EARLY 90's) is that >> they are 2 facets of life in the DC Metro area that is not inundated >> with the issue of race. As in the Army, I was not white or caucasian - >> I was green, so it is with bikers ; they are neither red, yellow, black >> or white - > > > Yep, except on our group rides. In that case, the bikers are mostly > male, mostly white (and mostly good folks, pleasant to be around > and ride with, don't get me wrong). No offense meant, but, I don't ever recall seeing a post saying anything remotely discouraging to any demographic... > > I just think we need to expressly mention that on our group rides, > we will heartily welcome ANY rider, male, female, white, black, brown, > yellow, red, green, blue...) on any type of bike. We've already done that, haven't we ? I can vividly remember years ago having over 12 riders... I remember having to sub divide the group by speed... Please, don't turn riding into a PC activity (I'm not suggesting that you specifically are, rather, I'm saying I don't think anyone here would exclude a rider, uninvite, what have you for race reasons. THat type of rider wouldn't be attracted to our banter & riding. > I think it's > been more or less understood by most of us all along, but to an > outsider looking in, we might be perceived as a bunch of Klansmen > (we certainly look the part) unless we say otherwise. NFW. (no way). > > No big deal, it certainly won't change our standards (decent > riding gear, bike in good mechanical condition, some expectations > of group riding behavior and etiquette) or our destinations > (Twisties! And good roads North, West, and South of the metro area). Let's not forget our off topic diatribes, oil threads, rear brake threads, chain lube threads etc... ;-) > > >> A biker is a biker, facing the same problems that I do, enjoying the same >> things I do on my ride. I could not care less what the racial make up of >> a group ride is. I wave to every rider I can, stop for any that can, etc... > > > And I agree wholeheartedly, Dave. > > >> I'd just as soon not have race brought up in the 'last refuge' of >> 'colorless' life around here. > > > But by not bringing it up, we risk alienating riders who might > want to ride with us, but don't know how we'd react to someone > of a different skin tone, and is afraid to bring up the subject > on the list. I guess I just don't understand that. Your point is perfectly fine tho, perhaps some are shy about posting, but I think that most bikers that are interested in local groups would look into DCC, as evidenced by the number of lurkers. > > I think this discussion has been great, and I'm satisfied with > the responses so far. Thanks, folks. Let's just not let this deteriorate. ObMoto: Battery tender notwithstanding, I'm going to need a battery for the BigNinja(tm). This is the 1st batter I've had that lasted more than 16 months... Sure, it'll start, but I'm confident she'll give out mid season - in the middle of nowhere :-) -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 18:34:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28NYwU18877 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p38.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.38]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14218 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:34:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA8174D.6080104@radix.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:35:41 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 finger braking References: <20010308172841.8418.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO inquired: >> And I'm not too keen on looking through the turn on unfamiliar public >> roads. I'd like to see what junk I need to avoid. > > > I may be slightly confused, another blonde moment ;-) ? but if you're doing what you're supposed to do and looking through the turn from the point you're coming up to it and through it, shouldn't you have already seen anything you'd need to avoid? I can't imagine *not* looking through a turn, just makes the turn that less smooth and not as controlled... Life on the street is a little different than on the track, young Padawan. sometimes, even BDC's can surprise you ! -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 18:39:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f28NdhU18965 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p38.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.38]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16368 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:39:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA8186C.9040103@radix.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:40:28 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... References: <000901c0a6b0$316918c0$e3a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> <005501c0a775$8898c760$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> <000601c0a777$8cb6a220$9fa92626@apnHOFOJOKO> <3AA78F62.21C2728@ix.netcom.com> <3AA813E2.7040205@radix.net> <00a501c0a828$469b1260$b0c8393f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura Granato Boldly stated, having subscribed for what, 2 years ? Maybe? : >> BAH! I'll continue to post OT to DCC ; Flame away ! I've forgotten more >> DCC flame threads than most DCC 2 listers have ever seen ! > That may be true, but ours are more fun and more viscious! ;-) SHYEAH. Can remember the EARLY threads - racing on the street, rear brakes, tires, chain lube - the classic flame wars - in the days when mail filtering was done by script Even pre dating Gimer's subscription I think... Ah. The good ol' days. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 18:51:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f28NphU19203 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 23493 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2001 15:51:36 -0800 Received: from 1Cust176.tnt7.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.57.200.176) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 15:51:36 -0800 X-Sent: 8 Mar 2001 23:51:36 GMT Message-ID: <00e101c0a82b$89e32a00$b0c8393f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: References: <20010308172841.8418.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <3AA8174D.6080104@radix.net> Subject: Re: 2 finger braking Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:57:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > LAURA GRANATO inquired: > > >> And I'm not too keen on looking through the turn on unfamiliar public > >> roads. I'd like to see what junk I need to avoid. > > > > > > I may be slightly confused, > > another blonde moment ;-) ? > > but if you're doing what you're supposed to do and looking through the turn from the point you're coming up to it and through it, shouldn't you have already seen anything you'd need to avoid? I can't imagine *not* looking through a turn, just makes the turn that less smooth and not as controlled... > > Life on the street is a little different than on the track, young > Padawan. sometimes, even BDC's can surprise you ! > > -- Mr. Yates, you have to watch your snipping, young lad...that original e-mail was from Dan, I just replied to it...go back and check the thread....now who's having a blonde moment? ;-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 19:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f290IgU19714 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.42.11b555f1 (2170) for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:18:27 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <42.11b555f1.27d97b52@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:18:26 EST Subject: Re: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.11b555f1.27d97b52_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10505 --part1_42.11b555f1.27d97b52_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2001 08:25:30 Eastern Standard Time, jimcald@XXXXXX writes: > Just wait until you get a 50 year old body and see how much > the crotch rocket riding position appeals to it. Enjoy it > You don't have to go from one extreme to the other Michael J --part1_42.11b555f1.27d97b52_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2001 08:25:30 Eastern Standard Time,
jimcald@XXXXXX writes:


Just wait until you get a 50 year old body and see how much
the crotch rocket riding position appeals to it.  Enjoy it
while you can, then get a cruiser


You don't have to go from one extreme to the other

Michael J --part1_42.11b555f1.27d97b52_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 19:38:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.128]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f290cMU20060 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from C92851A ([24.12.202.129]) by femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010309003811.JBRC12888.femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com@C92851A>; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:38:11 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c0a831$2f069bc0$81ca0c18@clmba1.mo.home.com> From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org \(E-mail\)" , "PC800 List \(E-mail\)" References: Subject: Re: PC800: Getting Re-accquainted/Somewhat Off-topic Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:37:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Saul, Thanks for the compelling reminder. Concern for the safety of fellow riders is never off-topic. But I should tell you that for the PC crowd, walking TO the pub or pizza joint is never the problem. It's walking FROM said establishments...;-+ Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldberg, Saul" > Fellow Listers, I want the chance to meet you before your funeral and preferably when you can still walk to the pub or pizza joint. Thank you for your attention. > > Saul Goldberg > Gaithersburg MD > '89 pearl PC800 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 21:20:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f292KJU21709 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-28.cybercable.com [204.188.45.28]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f292JlX14468 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:19:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA83DDB.922CF82B@loudoun.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:20:13 -0500 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: 2 finger braking, was RE: "Advanced" Motorcycle Course References: <01C0A7C2.5D7470A0.danthompson@libertyhs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point, Danny. I've had this happen to me. However much I bled the brakes on my old bandit 400, I could never get them as solid at the lever as I would have liked. Not paying attention one day I almost ran into the back of a rapidly slowing truck, and just barely managed to extract my two (normally-unused) fingers from between the lever and grip then back over the lever to employ the added grip strength. The whole experience taught me diddly, however, as I've since blithely returned to the two-fingered practice. Most of my riding has been racing for the last couple of years. I find I don't tend to need so much strength at the lever as I do need control on the throttle for the blipping shenanigans. Four fingers is a good idea though. Randy Danny Thompson wrote: > Here is a thought, suppose you make it a habit of 2 finger braking and you have > to make an emergency stop. You grab with your 2 fingers and clamp down on the > lever. Of course it has been a while since the fluid has been changed, or the > lines bled, and the hoses have been stretch. Now as you clamp down, you come > into contact with your 2 fingers remaining on the grip. Two results, smashed > fingers and less stopping power. Of course if you are in the habit of very good > maintenance on the brake lines, fluids, pads, etc...this will NEVER be a > problem, right? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 21:30:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f292U7U21872 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-67-147.s401.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.67.147] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14bCfK-0000Ut-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:30:02 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:28:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c0a840$9c603d20$93432c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Jim Caldwell wrote: >I'm amused by you young pups speculating about why old guys like >Harleys. I have a valkyrie and my wife has a harley. Just wait until >you get a 50 year old body and see how much the crotch rocket riding >position appeals to it. Enjoy it while you can, then get a cruiser. There are plenty of comfortable bikes out there besides cruisers... I also know quite a few old dawgs riding sportier bikes. Kirk _____________________________________ I think Kirk and I know some of the same people. The HSTA (Honda Sport Touring Association), by my observation, has a median age of somewhere between 48-54 and 90% of them ride sport-bikes. I hope when I hit 50 I don't think it's time to give up on sport riding. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 21:40:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f292eAU21992 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-67-147.s401.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.67.147] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14bCp6-0002By-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:40:09 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: ??? Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:38:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c0a842$057a8f80$93432c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 --> Dale Horstman Wrote: I just think we need to expressly mention that on our group rides, we will heartily welcome ANY rider, male, female, white, black, brown, yellow, red, green, blue...) on any type of bike. I think it's been more or less understood by most of us all along, but to an outsider looking in, we might be perceived as a bunch of Klansmen (we certainly look the part) unless we say otherwise. ----------------------------------------------- Dale, I whole-heartedly support your zeal with regard to welcoming ALL riders. But do you actually know any "yellow, red, green, blue.." people? Also, I'm not sure what you are thinking when you say an "outsider looking in" might perceive the group "as a bunch of Klansmen". ????? You must have some super-sensitive text editor on your computer. To me, you all look like a bunch of social misfit bikers! ;-) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 22:12:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f293CkU22503 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.2d.878dd7a (3959) for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:12:31 -0500 (EST) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2d.878dd7a.27d9a41e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:12:30 EST Subject: Enough is Enough ( are we DC Politics or DC-CYCLES ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2d.878dd7a.27d9a41e_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 --part1_2d.878dd7a.27d9a41e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Fellow Bikers, The last three to four days I have read a lot of unnecessary things on the post. Lets remember we are all members of this post for one reason and one reason only...that reason is that we are bikers. Race, Ethnic background, or origin should not and does not matter, for the simple fact bikers no matter what race are minorities that is what makes our bond so strong! That is why wave and blow our horns at each other when we are riding as a greeting! That is why we love what we do, we are a family, we are friends, there will always be bad apples, but that bad apple will not and I mean will not ruin this bunch. Lets get back to talking about our favorite bikes, and routes, and who makes the best helmet,etc. You guys and gals know what I am talking about. There are people in our group that would rather keep with "there own", the fact is we are all on our own as one because we are bikers! Brian Banks Need 4 Speed (Ride on Ladies and Gents, ride on!) PS Who makes the best helmet, any thoughts on this from any of my brothers or sisters? --part1_2d.878dd7a.27d9a41e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Fellow Bikers, The last three to four days I have read a lot of
unnecessary things on the post.  Lets remember we are all members of this
post for one reason and one reason only...that reason is that we are bikers.  
Race, Ethnic background, or origin should not and does not matter, for the
simple fact bikers no matter what race are minorities that is what makes our
bond so strong!  That is why wave and blow our horns at each other when we
are riding as a greeting!  That is why we love what we do, we are a family,
we are friends, there will always be bad apples, but that bad apple will not
and I mean will not ruin this bunch. Lets get back to talking about our
favorite bikes, and routes, and who makes the best helmet,etc.  You guys and
gals know what I am talking about.  There are people in our group that would
rather keep with "there own", the fact is we are all on our own as one
because we are bikers!

Brian Banks
Need 4 Speed
(Ride on Ladies and Gents, ride on!)

PS Who makes the best helmet, any thoughts on this from any of my brothers or
sisters? --part1_2d.878dd7a.27d9a41e_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 22:20:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f293KwU22651 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-7.patriot.net [209.249.181.7]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f293KtL25070; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA84AC8.C8FE828C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 22:15:20 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: AA DC-Cycles Subject: Re: ??? References: <000101c0a842$057a8f80$93432c42@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > Dale, I whole-heartedly support your zeal with regard to welcoming ALL > riders. But do you actually know any "yellow, red, green, blue.." people? > Well, in Dale's defense, I've seen a few off-white colors on folks. In the early days of "instant" tan lotions, about 59/60, they didn't work all that peachy keen. I saw girls ducking and trying to stay in the shadows at school who had morphed into luverly shades of yellows and oranges. And of course, there are "redskins", not to be confused with rednecks. Actually, Native Americans are more of a woodsy shades but some do tilt toward the red scale. Blue was a very popular shade among those gals who dared go skinny dipping with me in a mountain stream near my college - ambient temp 40, give or take few degrees. And Green - hey, I own a small boat and like big waves! I've seen Green before, usually folowed by *urp* Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 22:44:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f293ijU22962 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-7.patriot.net [209.249.181.7]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f293igL31925; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:44:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA8505C.75E2A5BD@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 22:39:08 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Enough is Enough ( are we DC Politics or DC-CYCLES ) References: <2d.878dd7a.27d9a41e@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------ACA0B7D588DC03CF495913FB" --------------ACA0B7D588DC03CF495913FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, said. Although I have noticed that a few sportbike types seem to lose concentration when I (old guy) wave at them from my Harley. Some even do a double-take. I'd blow my horn but the damn thing doesn't work. It's a Harley. I also wave at kids on mopeds, the future, keep them dreaming. Race and ethnic background is a no-call for me. Chatting up folks from different backgrounds than my own broadens my perspective on life. They can possibly learn something from me and I always learn something from them. Helmets. Contrary to the usual Harley thang of wearing beanies, I wear a real helmet, DOT and Snell rated. I'm kinda loyal to Shoei, had a 3/4 Shoei on my noggin when I crashed into a left turner and flew over the geezer's car, landing on my bean. Destroyed the helmet, but I didn't even blink out. I have a 3/4 Shoei just like that one, and in cooler temps I've been wearing a full-face Shoei, RF-800 I think. Check the fit, very important. I buy mine from M/C shops so I can check the fit and comfort. Bill EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > Greetings Fellow Bikers, The last three to four days I have read a lot > of > unnecessary things on the post. Lets remember we are all members of > this > post for one reason and one reason only...that reason is that we are > bikers. > Race, Ethnic background, or origin should not and does not matter, for > the > simple fact bikers no matter what race are minorities that is what > makes our > bond so strong! That is why wave and blow our horns at each other > when we > are riding as a greeting! That is why we love what we do, we are a > family, > we are friends, there will always be bad apples, but that bad apple > will not > and I mean will not ruin this bunch. Lets get back to talking about > our > favorite bikes, and routes, and who makes the best helmet,etc. You > guys and > gals know what I am talking about. There are people in our group that > would > rather keep with "there own", the fact is we are all on our own as one > > because we are bikers! > > Brian Banks > Need 4 Speed > (Ride on Ladies and Gents, ride on!) > > PS Who makes the best helmet, any thoughts on this from any of my > brothers or > sisters? --------------ACA0B7D588DC03CF495913FB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, said.  Although I have noticed that a few sportbike types seem to lose concentration when I (old guy) wave at them from my Harley. Some even do a double-take. I'd blow my horn but the damn thing doesn't work.  It's a Harley.  I also wave at kids on mopeds,  the future, keep them dreaming.

Race and ethnic background is a no-call for me.  Chatting up folks from different backgrounds than my own broadens my perspective on life.  They can possibly learn something from me and I always learn something from them.

Helmets.  Contrary to the usual Harley thang of wearing beanies, I wear a real helmet, DOT and Snell rated.  I'm kinda loyal to Shoei, had a 3/4 Shoei on my noggin when I crashed into a left turner and flew over the geezer's car, landing on my bean.  Destroyed the helmet, but I didn't even blink out.  I have a 3/4 Shoei just like that one, and in cooler temps I've been wearing a full-face Shoei, RF-800 I think.   Check the fit, very important.  I buy mine from M/C shops so I can check the fit and comfort.

Bill

EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote:

Greetings Fellow Bikers, The last three to four days I have read a lot of
unnecessary things on the post.  Lets remember we are all members of this
post for one reason and one reason only...that reason is that we are bikers.
Race, Ethnic background, or origin should not and does not matter, for the
simple fact bikers no matter what race are minorities that is what makes our
bond so strong!  That is why wave and blow our horns at each other when we
are riding as a greeting!  That is why we love what we do, we are a family,
we are friends, there will always be bad apples, but that bad apple will not
and I mean will not ruin this bunch. Lets get back to talking about our
favorite bikes, and routes, and who makes the best helmet,etc.  You guys and
gals know what I am talking about.  There are people in our group that would
rather keep with "there own", the fact is we are all on our own as one
because we are bikers!

Brian Banks
Need 4 Speed
(Ride on Ladies and Gents, ride on!)

PS Who makes the best helmet, any thoughts on this from any of my brothers or
sisters?

--------------ACA0B7D588DC03CF495913FB-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 23:49:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f294nNU24035 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f294sEV18866; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:54:15 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Enough is Enough ( are we DC Politics or DC-CYCLES ) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:54:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <2d.878dd7a.27d9a41e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2d.878dd7a.27d9a41e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103082354141E.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 08 Mar 2001, EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > PS Who makes the best helmet, any thoughts on this from any of my brothers > or sisters? Depends on the shape of your head, really. If your head is round, you can't go wrong with a Shoei helmet. They make a wide range depending on the amount you want to spend, and what features you want. If you have a more oval-shaped noggin, the best way to go is with Arai. The Quantum line of helmets is their standard oval shape, and is available in a wide range of colors and with graphics. The Signet line is if you have what Arai calls a "Long Oval Head". Being the proud owner of a pointy cranium, I can say through years of experience and annoying red spots on my forehead that the Arai Signet helmets are the *best* fit if your head is of this shape. On top of that, the Arai helmets are really comfy, offer a really quiet ride, and have great visors with vents built into them for anti-fogging. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 23:53:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f294rDU24115 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-42.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.42]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA19785 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:53:11 -0500 Posted-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c0a851$5da22a60$94a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Spring wringing Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:28:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Leon, are we going around in circles this spring? Did a partial warmup on the Carter Barron lot (DC) this noon and am ready for non-embarrassment. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> a little stretching before the ERC workout Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. Saul Goldberg posted: Fellow Listers, Pieces of several recent postings on both lists have reminded me of an important safety insight that I would like to share as we approach the season of getting back on our bikes. (Snide comments for those year-round regions, notwithstanding.) That is, that most accidents happen within the first six months of riding. ...snip From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 8 23:59:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f294xEU24192 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f29545V18882; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:04:05 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Ricardo Pontes" Subject: Re: Sprocket changing information Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:04:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103090004041F.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 08 Mar 2001, you wrote: > Im thinking of changing my sprocket size in order for my kawasaki ke100 to > gain a little bit of speed. I would like the little bike to maybe keep up > with 50 mph uphill. What are the effects of changing the gears? The front > sprocket is 14/15 , there is a front sprocket available for 11$ which is > 12/19. For the rear the stock is 42/40 and there is a varied assortment of > sprockets 25/46 , 47/56 , 57/63, 64/72. They all range in the 50$ range. > > I do now know the causes and effects of these ratios. Would it be a good > idea to replace both the front and rear sprocket? Will it increase my speed > on the road? > > Can someone explain to me in baby terms what these ratios mean?? I'm not sure why they're referring to them as '14/15', etc. Usually a sprocket is referred to by the number of teeth on it, and you describe the ratio you are running as /. For example, my FZR400RR race bike has a 15 front sprocket, and for Summit Point I run a 43 rear. When describing this to someone I would say, "I'm running 15/43 for Summit". However... in layman's terms, what you're asking for is... more teeth = more acceleration, less top-end less teeth = less acceleration, higher top-end To increase your top end, you'd want to go down one or two teeth on the rear sprocket from where you are now. Changing the front sprocket has a greater effect due to it's smaller size - a change of one tooth on the front is like a change of 2 - 3 teeth at the rear (Actually... it's more complicated than that, but I don't think you really wanted to go into calculating actual gear ratios by the question you asked). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 06:35:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13005.mail.yahoo.com (web13005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29BZ8U01357 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:35:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010309113507.25305.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web13005.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:35:07 PST Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 03:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3AA8186C.9040103@radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > SHYEAH. Can remember the EARLY threads - racing on the street, rear > brakes, tires, chain lube - the classic flame wars - in the days when > mail filtering was done by script that button click SHITE> Even pre dating Gimer's subscription I think... > Ah. The good ol' days. Yeah, how many people here miss Squeakers? ;-) Now there were some hot flame wars! Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 06:50:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29Bo5U01592 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:50:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f29Bo4007699 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:50:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:50:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Sprocket changing information In-Reply-To: <0103090004041F.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Brian Roach wrote: >However... in layman's terms, what you're asking for is... >more teeth = more acceleration, less top-end >less teeth = less acceleration, higher top-end Well, that might normally apply. However, the bike Ricardo is working with is over geared. That is, getting a smaller sprocket will not affect top speed. He's going to be dealing with the same 60mph top end with the stock 15/40 as he would with a 13/40. I would be surprised if a 12/40 wouldn't have the same result as well. BTW, Ricardo, yes I rode the KE to work once. However, my commute is mostly on the beltway so it's not a very good choice. I took a back route that day... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 07:58:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29CwaU02597 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:58:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010309125835.61888.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:58:35 PST Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 04:58:35 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <42.11b555f1.27d97b52@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well I own both types of bikes and "prefer" the crotch rocket riding position. I may not be 50 but my lower back knows the difference. With the cruiser with no back support my back starts hurting within 4 hours or so. With the CR I can take some of that pressure off my back by leaning against the tank and ride all day with no problems. Glenn --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/8/2001 08:25:30 Eastern > Standard Time, > jimcald@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Just wait until you get a 50 year old body and see > how much > > the crotch rocket riding position appeals to it. > Enjoy it > > > > You don't have to go from one extreme to the other __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 08:10:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29DApU02752 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:10:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010309131051.98268.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.83.169] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:10:51 PST Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 05:10:51 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys To: Dale Horstman , Scratch Cc: DCC , Spike In-Reply-To: <3AA5B677.595BBA6E@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Just think, if we didn't have Peter Fonda, we might > all be idolizing Tom Cruise (not!) and that amazing > dual-sport stunt-bike Triumph of his... > > Horkster > -- Or how about his Ninja 600 with Ninja 900 plastic on it because he is too short to reach the ground on a 900. Dunno if it is true or not, but that is what I heard they did for TopGun. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 08:13:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29DD3U02826 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:13:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010309131302.1296.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.43.218] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:13:02 PST Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 05:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3AA8186C.9040103@radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Laura Granato Boldly stated, having subscribed for what, > 2 years ? Maybe? : > > >> BAH! I'll continue to post OT to DCC ; Flame away ! > I've forgotten more DCC flame threads than most DCC 2 > listers have ever seen ! > > > That may be true, but ours are more fun and more > viscious! ;-) > > SHYEAH. Can remember the EARLY threads - racing on the > street, rear brakes, tires, chain lube - the classic flame > wars - in the days when mail filtering was done by script > you had to WRITE the script, none of that button click > SHITE> Even pre dating Gimer's subscription I think... > Ah. The good ol' days. ouch. as kind as i've been for the past few months, i'm surprised to hear that some apparently believe i've re-claimed my former title from the Yanker. :( -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 08:17:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9706.mail.yahoo.com (web9706.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29DH8U02914 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:17:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010309131707.79063.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.44] by web9706.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:17:07 PST Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 05:17:07 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys To: Todd Withrow , Dale Horstman Cc: DCC In-Reply-To: <20010309131051.98268.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Didn't I hear somewhere that one of the "Triumph" stunt bikes used in MI2 really had a 250cc MXer motor in it, hidden by a molded fibreglass version of the Triumph motor? Did I hear that on this list? Rich --- Todd Withrow wrote (re Tom Cruise): > Or how about his Ninja 600 with Ninja 900 plastic on > it because he is too short to reach the ground on a > 900. Dunno if it is true or not, but that is what I > heard they did for TopGun. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 08:26:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29DQiU03007 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-240.patriot.net [209.249.180.240]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f29DQKL22533; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:26:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA8D8AC.F55318A0@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:20:44 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Dysart CC: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys References: <20010309125835.61888.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ain't the back in my case. Tis the knees, those poor used and abused joints that scream when forced to assume the crotch rocket position. The only time a CR was comfy, even before the creaks set in, was at highway speed when areodynamics *floated* the bod. On trips I have back support on the cruiser, either a real back support, the pile of camping junk strapped to the pillion, or a babbling biker babe. Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > Well I own both types of bikes and "prefer" the crotch > rocket riding position. I may not be 50 but my lower > back knows the difference. With the cruiser with no > back support my back starts hurting within 4 hours or > so. With the CR I can take some of that pressure off > my back by leaning against the tank and ride all day > with no problems. > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 08:27:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29DRiU03081 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip65.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.65]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06497 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:27:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA8DABF.5B8F4102@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:29:35 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: YSR Mania Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've still got a couple of fixes to make, but Chris Weaver suggested I post this to the list... http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/ysrmania.htm -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 08:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29DXTU03190 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip65.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.65]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12982 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:33:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA8D9E3.5F0E343B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:25:55 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Enough is Enough ( are we DC Politics or DC-CYCLES ) References: <2d.878dd7a.27d9a41e@aol.com> <3AA8505C.75E2A5BD@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But Bill... You are making the BOLD assumption that anyone really wants to talk with you! %^) "William J. Huson" wrote : > > Race and ethnic background is a no-call for me. Chatting up folks > from different backgrounds than my own broadens my perspective on > life. They can possibly learn something from me and I always learn > something from them. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 08:38:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3702.mail.yahoo.com (web3702.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.131]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29DcsU03279 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:38:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010309133853.9257.qmail@web3702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.133.22.74] by web3702.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:38:53 PST Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 05:38:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Knapik To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, all, I still have my CX650C for sale, if no one on the list is interested, maybe you know someone who is? '83 Honda CX650C 35K miles White, hard (Shoei) bags, Windshield Runs well $1000 o.b.o. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 08:41:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3702.mail.yahoo.com (web3702.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.131]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29DfSU03292 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:41:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010309134128.9589.qmail@web3702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.133.22.74] by web3702.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:41:28 PST Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 05:41:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Geezer question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay, Bill Huson, other Harley owners and anyone else with an opinion (smile)... What's the story on the Harley extended warranty the dealer is offering? Is it worth the big bucks or not? I know, I know, Harley's break, still is the extended warranty worth it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 09:12:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29ECUU03859 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-240.patriot.net [209.249.180.240]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f29ECRL29351; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA8E37B.F742C49D@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:06:51 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Knapik CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Geezer question References: <20010309134128.9589.qmail@web3702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no clue, and no warrenty. I reckon an extended warrenty offered BY the factory is cool, but never, EVER buy one run by an outside company. They're notorious for not paying off. Harley's really don't break that much. Mine suffered from a bad cam bearing, a well known quirk that cost me out the ass, and I've heard the new TC88's have a similer problem. Rather than wait for it to break in East Bumfug I think I'd pay to have the damn bearings replaced with ones that work. I don't know what the ext warrenty costs or what it covers. Or what dealer service is required to maintain the warrenty. Add the cost of that in too. Harleys are big on mods, pipe and the like. Save for my own mods on the carb mine is basically stock I did change the suspension components. I reckon the Baggers are set up for lazy cruising and I drive the bitch too hard so a suspension improvement was required. Bill Tom Knapik wrote: > Okay, Bill Huson, other Harley owners and anyone else > with an opinion (smile)... What's the story on the > Harley extended warranty the dealer is offering? Is > it worth the big bucks or not? I know, I know, > Harley's break, still is the extended warranty worth > it? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 09:16:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29EGiU03920 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-240.patriot.net [209.249.180.240]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f29EFeL30045; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:15:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA8E43C.7FEA9F5D@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:10:04 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: the_penas@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Enough is Enough ( are we DC Politics or DC-CYCLES ) References: <2d.878dd7a.27d9a41e@aol.com> <3AA8505C.75E2A5BD@patriot.net> <3AA8D9E3.5F0E343B@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, my wonan does -- check that, she wants to talk AT me. Bill, master of "yes, dear" Chuck Pena wrote: > But Bill... You are making the BOLD assumption that anyone really wants > to talk with you! %^) > > "William J. Huson" wrote : > > > > Race and ethnic background is a no-call for me. Chatting up folks > > from different backgrounds than my own broadens my perspective on > > life. They can possibly learn something from me and I always learn > > something from them. > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 09:25:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29EP2U04026 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.c3.e93a32f (3314) for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:24:50 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:24:50 EST Subject: 2 fingers, a well maintained bike, and MSF instructors To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3.e93a32f.27da41b2_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 --part1_c3.e93a32f.27da41b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, Thanks for all the replies to my question about braking and the MSF. FWIW, I was in the advanced course. Sounds like my instructor was not as open to other riding styles not endorsed my the MSF as others have had. He was VERY adamant that 4 fingered braking was the only way to brake in EVERY situation. That is why I questioned him. Many good points were brought up by other posters and it seems the general agreement is that different bikes and riders need different techniques. I guess after all this rambling is I'm saying I agree with Chris about needing to update the ADVANCED course. And yes Dale, I used only 2 fingers to brake my Concours (RIP). :) I never was able to do a stoppie with it no matter how many times I practiced, though. Damn shaft-drive was too heavy!!! LOL I've never been able to do a stoppie on anything but sport and dirt bikes. Thanks again to all who shared their experiences with MSF...sounds like I just had a bad instructor. Steve Broadstreet --part1_c3.e93a32f.27da41b2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all,
 Thanks for all the replies to my question about braking and the MSF.
FWIW, I was in the advanced course. Sounds like my instructor was not as open
to other riding styles not endorsed my the MSF as others have had. He was
VERY adamant that 4 fingered braking was the only way to brake in EVERY
situation. That is why I questioned him. Many good points were brought up by
other posters and it seems the general agreement is that different bikes and
riders need different techniques.
 I guess after all this rambling is I'm saying I agree with Chris about
needing to update the ADVANCED course.
 And yes Dale, I used only 2 fingers to brake my Concours (RIP).  :)
I never was able to do a stoppie with it no matter how many times I
practiced, though. Damn shaft-drive was too heavy!!!  LOL   I've never been
able to do a stoppie on anything but sport and dirt bikes.
 Thanks again to all who shared their experiences with MSF...sounds like I
just had a bad instructor.

Steve Broadstreet   --part1_c3.e93a32f.27da41b2_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 10:16:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29FG2U04947 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14bOcM-0007Fv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:15:46 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:15:46 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... In-Reply-To: <3AA813E2.7040205@radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Dave Yates wrote: > BAH! I'll continue to post OT to DCC ; Flame away ! I've forgotten more > DCC flame threads than most DCC 2 listers have ever seen ! > hear hear ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 10:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29FXUU05214 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14bOrW-00061I-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:31:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:33:23 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dirty White Boys In-Reply-To: <20010309131051.98268.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: > Or how about his Ninja 600 with Ninja 900 plastic on > it because he is too short to reach the ground on a > 900. Dunno if it is true or not, but that is what I > heard they did for TopGun. > Wasn't he riding a GPz? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 10:38:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29Fc5U05311 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14bOxv-00000Y-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:38:04 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Enough is Enough ( are we DC Politics or DC-CYCLES ) In-Reply-To: <3AA8D9E3.5F0E343B@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Chuck Pena wrote: > But Bill... You are making the BOLD assumption that anyone really wants > to talk with you! %^) > With comments like that it's no wonder you're cross eyed and you nose is out of joint :-). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 10:51:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29FpJU05557 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G9X00C6ETA1YA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:49:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G9X00301T9Z4X@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:49:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G9X0028GT9EO7@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:48:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:48:48 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: YSR Mania To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3AA8FB60.77FD65EA@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3AA8DABF.5B8F4102@ix.netcom.com> Chuck Pena wrote: > > I've still got a couple of fixes to make, but Chris Weaver suggested I > post this to the list... > > http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/ysrmania.htm It appears I have found a worthy challenger for the Concours at Leon's next Circles session. :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 11:29:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29GTVU06205 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:29:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va26-04.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.132]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10013; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:28:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA90507.A67C9716@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:29:59 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: YSR Mania References: <3AA8DABF.5B8F4102@ix.netcom.com> <3AA8FB60.77FD65EA@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale, That would be challengers (plural). Chris and I both want a go at the circles championship! %^) Chuck Dale Horstman wrote: > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > I've still got a couple of fixes to make, but Chris Weaver suggested I > > post this to the list... > > > > http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/ysrmania.htm > > It appears I have found a worthy challenger for the > Concours at Leon's next Circles session. :) > > Horkster > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 11:47:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29GlLU06500 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G9X004E4VUJL5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:44:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G9X00601VUJ7U@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:44:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G9X00601VU82Z@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:44:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G9X00578VTY3G@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:44:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:44:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: YSR Mania To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3AA90864.E0CFA46D@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3AA8DABF.5B8F4102@ix.netcom.com> <3AA8FB60.77FD65EA@home.com> <3AA90507.A67C9716@XXXXXX> Chuck Pena wrote: > > Dale, > > That would be challengers (plural). Chris and I both want a go at the > circles championship! %^) OK, let me get this straight. You guys are gonna challenge me and my Connie by riding two-up on a YSR? Who's riding bitch? :) I'm gonna bring my camera... :) Dale -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 11:52:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29GpxU06600 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f29GuqV19684; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:56:53 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sprocket changing information Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:56:52 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103091156521G.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 09 Mar 2001, you wrote: > Well, that might normally apply. However, the bike Ricardo is working with > is over geared. That is, getting a smaller sprocket will not affect top > speed. He's going to be dealing with the same 60mph top end with the stock > 15/40 as he would with a 13/40. I would be surprised if a 12/40 wouldn't > have the same result as well. You know... I was actually thinking about that right after I posted. You have to have sufficient power to pull tall gearing if you go down in sprocket size. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 11:52:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29GqGU06610 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip47.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.47]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA32389; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:51:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA90A9F.424C0FFB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:53:51 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles CC: "Chris Weaver (alt)" Subject: Re: YSR Mania References: <3AA8DABF.5B8F4102@ix.netcom.com> <3AA8FB60.77FD65EA@home.com> <3AA90507.A67C9716@XXXXXX> <3AA90864.E0CFA46D@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that's a cool idea! Two-up on a YSR. I'm pretty sure we could do two-knees down. Just like they did in SuperBike (UK mag) last year. However, I have my doubts about keeping the little beastie upright in the process! %^) Dale Horstman wrote: > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > Dale, > > > > That would be challengers (plural). Chris and I both want a go at the > > circles championship! %^) > > OK, let me get this straight. You guys are gonna challenge me > and my Connie by riding two-up on a YSR? Who's riding bitch? :) > I'm gonna bring my camera... :) > > Dale > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 12:00:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29H0SU06794 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:00:21 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612E82@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , "'jimcald@XXXXXX'" , "'lgranato@XXXXXX'" Subject: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:59:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Chris Norlof Concluded: "2. I should get a headlight modulator and use it on the low-beam. It's legal and effective." Driving/fog lights, cheap: $16 - $30 at Wally or PepBoyz. Increased conspicuity, still have light & conspicuity if headlight bulb goes off. Did I mention cheap? "Jim Caldwell" commented, "I'm amused by you young pups speculating about why old guys like Harleys. I have a valkyrie and my wife has a harley. Just wait until you get a 50 year old body and see how much the crotch rocket riding position appeals to it. Enjoy it while you can, then get a cruiser." Heh, this 60 year old model still prefers driving a motorsickle in a normal position (Monkey lu-uves pretty football). If I wanna cruiser riding position, I'll take the Volvo. Sharing the weight betwixt my feet and ample butt is way more comfy. Try it, maybe you'll like it. To LAG's homily, "but if you're doing what you're supposed to do and looking through the turn from the point you're coming up to it and through it, shouldn't you have already seen anything you'd need to avoid? " Yates opined, "Life on the street is a little different than on the track, young Padawan. sometimes, even BDC's can surprise you !" Ah, which makes it even more important to look ahead. But, yes, on the street, you need to avoid the ikky poo. Some of it is slick; some is spiky. Worse I ever hit was a venetian blind slat at dawn whilst I was breaking. Had no idea why my front wheel slid out. As I picked up the bike, I spotted the ^%$# asphalt-gray plastic slat that my front wheel braked on (using two fingers). Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '80 GS450E (RIP); '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 12:00:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29H0WU06804 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQkfqa22595 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:00:31 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkfqa26842 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:00:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AA90864.E0CFA46D@home.com> References: <3AA8DABF.5B8F4102@ix.netcom.com> <3AA8FB60.77FD65EA@home.com> <3AA90507.A67C9716@XXXXXX> <3AA90864.E0CFA46D@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:00:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Circles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" When is the next circles event? I think I might trailer out the 400 for that....(cackling evilly) -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 12:38:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29HcpU07522 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30543 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Mar 2001 17:38:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010309173840.30542.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:38:39 -0500 Subject: Re: 2 finger braking and looking Maybe this thread should be dead but anyway... I used to be a 100% 2-finger braker. Both on my Nighthawk and on the Triumph. On neither bike am I able to bring the lever back to the bar. The reason I rode with 2 fingers out was because with my winter gloves on, it took too long to get my fingers in position to pull. The fingers of the glove are a tad long and snag on their way past the lever. I can't do 4-finger because my pinky can't reach that far anyway. But what I do now is 3-finger brake. I ride always with 1 finger extended ready to pull and the others on the throttle. When I see a braking situation developing I go to 3 fingers ready. At times in close quarters with unpredictable accelleration and sudden slow-downs are occuring or likely to occur I go to 2 fingers out so I can do both with some degree of control. On my Trident, thumb and pinky throttle control is a tad difficult since the return spring is strong and minute amounts of throttle do make a large difference in engine output. As to looking thru turns, it's applicable to all situations. If you focus on scanning that suspect item a few yards off you are too late. Better to keep the bike pulling thru the turn and be ready to react to traction changes. This morning I went to pay my FFax county tax and taking that last righthander onto the circuit road my rear end slid out a goodly amount. I never saw a surface blemish or any contaminants. It just slid. But because I was looking a long way off thru the turn I didn't have any trouble hooking it up again. Same with sand or gravel I've hit mid-corner. If I was looking down I'd probably have been a gonner. But my focus was instead way out. I just let it slide. Now granted my heart's been in my mouth a few times afterward. Last night as it was turning dark I ran the 3 or so miles of Braddock road in Loudoun county again. It's not paved at all and in one section there were deep potholes the size of manhole covers filled with water. I came over a short rise and there they were. Like dancing thru a minefield at 30mph. I couldn't miss one so I hit it straight on. Thought I had survived that only to get to the last 1/2 mile or so of the road before crossing the county line and I had a majorly difficult time with the backend. I think the road was crowned somewhat but it was the large diameter gravel that was making my rear tire slide and squiggle all over the place. Getting into a tire-track did no good. When I finally found pavement, a prayer of thanks was upmost. I think that's the last time I'm fool enough to run that road on Pirelli GT's and a 500+lb sport bike. Quite frankly I thought I was going to crash, steady throttle and velocity or not. I think I'll get my addrenaline high, some other way. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 12:57:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29HvHU07900 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f29I28V20124; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:02:08 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: the_penas@XXXXXX, Chuck Pena , Dale Horstman Subject: Re: YSR Mania Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:02:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: DC Cycles References: <3AA8DABF.5B8F4102@ix.netcom.com> <3AA8FB60.77FD65EA@home.com> <3AA90507.A67C9716@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <3AA90507.A67C9716@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103091302081I.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 09 Mar 2001, Chuck Pena wrote: > Dale, > > That would be challengers (plural). Chris and I both want a go at the > circles championship! %^) Oooh. Does this mean I should bring my YSR and give it a shot? ::grin:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 13:09:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29I9iU08088 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f29IEcV20218; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:14:38 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:14:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , "'jimcald@XXXXXX'" , "'lgranato@XXXXXX'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612E82@DCHQCLEXHQ> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612E82@DCHQCLEXHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103091314381J.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 09 Mar 2001, Custer, Carl wrote: > But, yes, on the street, you need to avoid the ikky poo. Some of it is > slick; some is spiky. Worse I ever hit was a venetian blind slat at dawn > whilst I was breaking. Had no idea why my front wheel slid out. As I > picked up the bike, I spotted the ^%$# asphalt-gray plastic slat that my > front wheel braked on (using two fingers). Not to extend this thread anymore than it needs to be, but looking at things close at hand instead "through the turn" and out ahead is just not going to help you. At just 30mph your motorcycle is travelling 44 feet/sec. The only thing looking 30 feet in front of your motorcycle is going to do for you is let you know exactly what you're about to hit... and give you less than a second to brace for impact. You're not going to be able to react and change the motorcycle's trajectory in that short period of time. Looking well ahead of your bike and scanning the road surface gives you time to choose where you want to be in the next couples seconds, and what you'll be needing to avoid well before you get to it. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 13:14:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.troutman.org (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29IEPU08204 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com ([209.249.185.69]) by mail.troutman.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00703 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:14:18 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010309131248.0234e7f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:14:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Monkey Football? In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612E82@DCHQCLEXHQ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:59 AM 3/9/01, Custer, Carl wrote: "Monkey lu-uves pretty football" Carl - please do not ride into work while you are smoking crack. What the Hell does that sentence mean? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 13:20:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29IKuU08370 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip164.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.164]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17843; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:20:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA91F6E.D597BB06@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:22:38 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: YSR Mania References: <3AA8DABF.5B8F4102@ix.netcom.com> <3AA8FB60.77FD65EA@home.com> <3AA90507.A67C9716@ix.netcom.com> <0103091302081I.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah man! Bring on the YSRs! %^) Of course, if we lose we'll be thoroughly embarassed. Brian Roach wrote: > > Oooh. Does this mean I should bring my YSR and give it a shot? > > ::grin:: -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 13:37:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hqmail.usda.gov (hqmail.usda.gov [199.128.3.90]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29Ib4U08685 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) id NAA05134; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:36:54 -0500 (EST) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=wsc.ag.gov.203.1/C=us/;010309133644] Content-Identifier: RE: High Beams a UA-Content-Id: RE: High Beams a Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: 3 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:36:39 -0500 Received: by hqmail.usda.gov; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:36:44 -0500 Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.1; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:36:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:36:43 -0500 From: "Custer, Carl" Subject: RE: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys To: "'roach(a)dcc-racing.org(p)inter2'" , "'DCCycles'" Message-Id: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612E85@DCHQCLEXHQ> X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 4.7-p4)/MIME > Not to extend this thread anymore than it needs to be, but looking at > things > close at hand instead "through the turn" and out ahead is just not going > to > help you. [Custer, Carl] Excellent summing up. > > At just 30mph your motorcycle is travelling 44 feet/sec. The only thing > looking 30 feet in front of your motorcycle is going to do for you is let > you > know exactly what you're about to hit... and give you less than a second > to > brace for impact. You're not going to be able to react and change the > motorcycle's trajectory in that short period of time. [Custer, Carl] Good point, but downtown you're likely not cornering more than 10 MPH -- unless you've got a death wish. Still that's 14.7 feet/second and with all of the distractions, a 2 second effective reaction (not time) is likely, so we're back to ~30 feet/10yards. Anything closer than that (mice or leaves) will get outta the way or get squashed. > Looking well ahead of your bike and scanning the road surface gives you > time > to choose where you want to be in the next couples seconds, and what > you'll > be needing to avoid well before you get to it. [Custer, Carl] Look where you want to go, not for what you're about to run over. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 13:46:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29Ik9U08850 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip164.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.164]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03765 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:46:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA9255F.6DBC916@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:47:59 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612E85@DCHQCLEXHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless it's that MSF instructor who told you to use 4 fingers on the front brake lever, otherwise he'd fail your ass! %^) "Custer, Carl" wrote : > > [Custer, Carl] Look where you want to go, not for what you're about > to run over. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 13:46:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29IkoU08860 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <16TY6XMH>; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:46:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Hey! It's Dave! Also, cruiser geezers. Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:46:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Dave Yates opined: Life on the street is a little different than > on the track, young Padawan. sometimes, even BDC's can surprise you ! Amen, hallelujah, and happy to see you back, buddy. > Jim Caldwell remonstrated: I'm amused by you young pups speculating > about why old guys like Harleys. I have a valkyrie and my wife has > a harley. Just wait until you get a 50 year old body and see how > much the crotch rocket riding position appeals to it. Enjoy it while > you can, then get a cruiser. I really don't understand the alleged correlation between middle age and cruiser ownership. My fifty year old legs sometime complain about the height of my footpegs (legs younger than mine have too), but my lower back would complain about sitting upright in the air stream. Riding in the crouch is quite comfortable if you learn how to relax into it. I'm beginning to believe all those anecdotes about sportbikes twisting old guys into pretzels and the orthopedic properties of cruisers must start in Milwaukee. > Jim further speculates: I do agree, however, that the Harley is the > bike of choice for wannabes and posers. I also think that the whole > clothing and accessory line immensely helps their appeal with female > riders (along with the vibrations, of course). Sometimes I think the wannabes and posers seek a machine on the basis of their fashion sense. I've seen a few Ducatis and their immaculately leathered riders with extremely low mileage. As far as the theory about that which makes lady cruiser riders smile... it's an open secret on the WIST list. At least, that's what I've been told. ;) MC Happy Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 14:08:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29J86U09240 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id OAA14733 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:08:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:07:51 -0500 (EST) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: Niv, you out there? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII give me a shout back. lisa@XXXXXX Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 14:24:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29JO6U09521 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f29JT2V20530; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:29:03 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: High Beams and Old Guys on Harleys Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:29:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612E85@DCHQCLEXHQ> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612E85@DCHQCLEXHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103091429021L.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 09 Mar 2001, Custer, Carl wrote: > [Custer, Carl] Good point, but downtown you're likely not cornering > more than 10 MPH -- unless you've got a death wish. > Still that's 14.7 feet/second and with all of the distractions, a 2 > second effective reaction (not time) is likely, so we're back to ~30 > feet/10yards. Anything closer than that (mice or leaves) will get outta > the way or get squashed. Correct - As I think I mentioned before, how far your field of vision should be directed is tied directly to how fast you are moving. On the track, for example, coming down the front stretch on my TZ at 155 - 160mph I'm looking at the braking zone for my reference points probably 150 yards before i get there, if not more (As soon as I can see the brake markers, really... 200+ feet per second is really sureal). On the beltway, I'm probably scanning 40-50 yards ahead (combined with occasional close-in peeks to double-check the BDC's in the immediate area). In a parking lot or downtown (same thing?), it's down to a number of feet. It all comes down to giving yourself enough time and space to react... and that means looking where you're going to be in 2 - 3 seconds, versus where you're going to be in 750 milliseconds. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 14:54:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29JsrU10083 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 8339 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2001 11:54:41 -0800 Date: 9 Mar 2001 11:54:41 -0800 Message-ID: <20010309195441.8338.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Mar 2001 19:54:41 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Mar 2001 11:54:41 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.0.19 Subject: looking ahead??? Ok, people...explain the logic behind looking in front of your bike and not looking to where you're going... Is it not true that your bike pretty much goes the direction you are looking...so if you're looking right ahead, you're not going where you're supposed to wind up... you're driving a motorcycle people...not a car. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 14:55:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29JtgU10096 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id m.d5.35cea29 (15864); Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:53:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:53:34 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: YSR Mania To: , , , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: OK. This is starting to sound interesting. Even though I have no intention of participating in the actual event, I'll play sports photographer. :-) Two YSR's and a Connie battling it out. Should be fun. LOL Scooter In a message dated Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:58:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian Roach writes: << On Fri, 09 Mar 2001, Chuck Pena wrote: > Dale, > > That would be challengers (plural). Chris and I both want a go at the > circles championship! %^) Oooh. Does this mean I should bring my YSR and give it a shot? ::grin:: - Roach >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 15:04:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29K4mU10271 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f29K9iV20697; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:09:44 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking ahead??? Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:09:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010309195441.8338.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> In-Reply-To: <20010309195441.8338.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103091509441P.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 09 Mar 2001, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > you're driving a motorcycle people...not a car. Actually... works the same way in a car too. It's why I always complain the damn rear view mirror is in the way in your mustang going around on/off ramps :D - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 15:06:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29K6KU10350 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip162.herndon35.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.106.162]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16479 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:06:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA93823.10B4DCB0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:08:03 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: YSR Mania References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe you can get a pic of two YSRs running circles inside Horkster's Connie running circles! %^) Now that would be way, way cool! ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK. This is starting to sound interesting. Even though I have no intention of participating in the actual event, I'll play sports photographer. :-) Two YSR's and a Connie battling it out. Should be fun. LOL -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 16:01:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29L15U11292 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G9Y00BJV7P9O3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:00:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G9Y00I017OX1J@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:00:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G9Y00GC27OVJZ@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:00:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:00:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: YSR Mania To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: roach@XXXXXX, the_penas@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AA9446D.C0426EC1@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK. This is starting to sound interesting. Even though I have no intention of participating in the actual event, I'll play sports photographer. :-) Two YSR's and a Connie battling it out. Should be fun. LOL I'll leave the side bags on to keep it fair. :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 16:06:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29L6wU11401 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip162.herndon35.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.106.162]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA30255; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:06:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA9462E.FE050DC0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:07:58 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: YSR Mania References: <3AA9446D.C0426EC1@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hell ... You could probably stuff the two YSRs in your sidebags! %^) Dale Horstman wrote: > > ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > OK. This is starting to sound interesting. Even though I have no intention of participating in the actual event, I'll play sports photographer. :-) Two YSR's and a Connie battling it out. Should be fun. LOL > > I'll leave the side bags on to keep it fair. :) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 16:17:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29LHSU11585 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 24801 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2001 13:17:21 -0800 Date: 9 Mar 2001 13:17:21 -0800 Message-ID: <20010309211721.24800.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Mar 2001 21:17:21 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Mar 2001 13:17:21 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.0.19 Subject: Re: looking ahead??? On Fri, 09 March 2001, Brian Roach wrote: > > On Fri, 09 Mar 2001, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > you're driving a motorcycle people...not a car. > > Actually... works the same way in a car too. > I tend to agree with you, but not totally, you can look much closer in front of you on a car and get away with it...until I rode a bike, I never "looked through a turn" in my car, and (knock wood) have always been fine, no accidents, etc. That was the hardest part about riding a bike for me...not looking right in front of me. To a degree I agree, but think that a car has a much larger margin of error with this theory than a motorcycle. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 16:23:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29LNmU11692 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f29LSiV21732; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:28:46 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: LAURA GRANATO , roach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking ahead??? Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:28:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20010309211721.24800.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> In-Reply-To: <20010309211721.24800.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103091628441U.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 09 Mar 2001, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > To a degree I agree, but think that > a car has a much larger margin of error with this theory than a motorcycle. Sorta... it's just more durable and can't fall over. :) If you wish to avoid whatever it is you're about to hit, you need to be looking ahead of your reaction time. However... most people are more skilled at obstacle avoidance (and general operation, to be honest) in their cars than on bikes, so it seems much easier. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 16:39:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29LdDU11965 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-57.s57.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.57] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14bUbP-0004Kw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:39:12 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c0a8e1$6c877ae0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20010309211721.24800.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: looking ahead??? Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:39:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO > On Fri, 09 March 2001, Brian Roach wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 09 Mar 2001, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > you're driving a motorcycle people...not a car. > > > > Actually... works the same way in a car too. > > > I tend to agree with you, but not totally, you can look much closer in front of you on a car and get away with it...until I rode a bike, I never "looked through a turn" in my car, and (knock wood) have always been fine, no accidents, etc. That was the hardest part about riding a bike for me...not looking right in front of me. To a degree I agree, but think that a car has a much larger margin of error with this theory than a motorcycle. > > LAG Probably explains why there are so many poor drivers out there, then. Everyone should be looking in the direction of the path of travel, scanning everywhere from 12 to 2 seconds ahead, regardless of vehicle, car, motorcycle, bicycle, horse.... Other visual input off the sides is why we have peripheral vision. There's no other way to avoid obstacles skillfully, judge correct entrance speeds for corners, etc. How can you determine the correct line and entrance speed without seeing the whole turn? Or, if that's not possible, determining you can't see the whole turn and responding accordingly. Granted cars are a lot more forgiving than bikes, especially if you have an "oh shit" moment in the middle of turn, but to drive either vehicle skillfully the concepts are exactly the same with respect to looking in the direction of travel. Of course, this is not covered in drivers ed., at least it wasn't twenty years ago, but that's a rant for another day. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 16:40:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h017.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29LefU11986 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 28080 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2001 13:40:35 -0800 Date: 9 Mar 2001 13:40:35 -0800 Message-ID: <20010309214035.28079.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Mar 2001 21:40:35 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Mar 2001 13:40:35 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.0.19 Subject: Re: looking ahead??? However... most people are more skilled > at obstacle avoidance (and general operation, to be honest) in their cars > than on bikes, so it seems much easier. > I'm not worried, I'm naturally skilled at everything...so I'm just trying to help everyone else out. LMMFAO. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 16:45:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h017.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f29LjqU12145 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 28134 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2001 13:45:46 -0800 Date: 9 Mar 2001 13:45:46 -0800 Message-ID: <20010309214546.28133.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Mar 2001 21:45:46 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Mar 2001 13:45:46 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pawilson@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.0.19 Subject: Re: looking ahead??? On Fri, 09 March 2001, "Paul Wilson" wrote: > Probably explains why there are so many poor drivers out there, then. don't even be bustin' on my drivin', I am an excellent driver...I'll out drive you anyday, mister!!!!! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 17:07:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29M7AU12489 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0G9Y00ADHARIJM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:06:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G9Y00M01ARCW9@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:06:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G9Y00L6JAR76D@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:06:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:06:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Monkey Football? To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AA953F1.FF36958F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010309131248.0234e7f0@mail.troutman.org> Troutman wrote: > > At 11:59 AM 3/9/01, Custer, Carl wrote: > "Monkey lu-uves pretty football" > > What the Hell does that sentence mean? Obviously you've never heard the expression that a rider on a sportbike looks like a 'monkey humping a football'... :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 17:18:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.quixnet.net (psmtp1.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.123.51] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29MI6U12645 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer (1Cust231.tnt2.lorton.va.da.uu.net [63.23.103.231]) by smtp1.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA21741 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:17:53 GMT Message-ID: <002001c0a8e5$edd4d760$e767173f@computer> Reply-To: "Kevin Bechtel" From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: old guys and Harleys Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:07:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0A8BB.793C0060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0A8BB.793C0060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Jim Caldwell wrote: >I'm amused by you young pups speculating about why old guys like >Harleys. I have a valkyrie and my wife has a Harley. Just wait until >you get a 50 year old body and see how much the crotch rocket riding >position appeals to it. Enjoy it while you can, then get a cruiser. No offense Kirk, but I am soon to be 47,and the years go by quicker = all the time. I have ridden a V-twin cruiser and a Goldwing, a VFR and = currently a CBR 900 RR. I started with the VFR in ' 91 and I can say = with roughly 50,000 miles under my belt on a sportbike, It is my vehicle = of choice. It is nothing for me to put 500 miles on in a day of twisties = and elevation changes. Don't get me wrong though, I think Harleys are a = cool ride, and I would own one but, It wouldn't be my only bike. BTW, my = bike can go as slow as those too. Safe riding to you , Kevin ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0A8BB.793C0060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Jim Caldwell = wrote:
>I'm=20 amused by you young pups speculating about why old guys=20 like
>Harleys.  I have a valkyrie and my wife has a Harley. = Just wait=20 until
>you get a 50 year old body and see how much the crotch = rocket=20 riding
>position appeals to it.  Enjoy it while you can, then = get a=20 cruiser.
   No offense Kirk, but I am = soon to be=20 47,and the years go by quicker all the time. I have ridden a V-twin = cruiser and=20 a Goldwing, a VFR and currently a CBR 900 RR.  I started with the = VFR in '=20 91 and I can say with roughly 50,000 miles under my belt on a sportbike, = It is=20 my vehicle of choice. It is nothing for me to put 500 miles on in a day = of=20 twisties and elevation changes. Don't get me wrong though, I think = Harleys are a=20 cool ride, and I would own one but, It wouldn't be my only bike. BTW, my = bike=20 can go as slow as those too. Safe riding to you ,=20 Kevin
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0A8BB.793C0060-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 17:36:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29MaKU12979 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010309223608.UBKO21706.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:36:08 -0800 Message-ID: <002801c0a8e8$75c815e0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles" References: <3AA8DABF.5B8F4102@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: YSR Mania Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:29:49 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 OK, I want one. Does any know of any for sale and how much can I expect to pay? -James '00 SV650 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Pena" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 8:29 AM Subject: YSR Mania > I've still got a couple of fixes to make, but Chris Weaver suggested I > post this to the list... > > http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/ysrmania.htm > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 18:15:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f29NFKU13635 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f29NK9V22427; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:20:10 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "James Reazor" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: YSR Mania Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:20:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3AA8DABF.5B8F4102@ix.netcom.com> <002801c0a8e8$75c815e0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> In-Reply-To: <002801c0a8e8$75c815e0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103091820091V.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 09 Mar 2001, James Reazor wrote: > OK, I want one. Does any know of any for sale and how much can I expect to > pay? Anywhere from $800 to $3000, unfortunatly. They're starting to become either collector's items, or thrashed race bikes. I was very, VERY lucky to get a mint condition one with 280 miles on the clock for $1000 last year. I've seen race-prepped ones selling for $1500-$1700. Check out the for sale section on Team Calamari's web site http://www.teamcalamari.com/dox/4sale.html - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 21:27:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2A2RbU16902 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p53.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.53]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11735 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:27:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA99155.6060206@radix.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:28:37 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... References: <20010309113507.25305.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis F. Caplan wrote: > --- Dave Yates wrote: > >> SHYEAH. Can remember the EARLY threads - racing on the street, rear >> brakes, tires, chain lube - the classic flame wars - in the days when >> mail filtering was done by script > that button click SHITE> Even pre dating Gimer's subscription I think... >> Ah. The good ol' days. > > > Yeah, how many people here miss Squeakers? ;-) Now there were some hot flame > wars! There were *SO* many precious Squeakers threads. Louis, you do know how to bring those memories to the fore :=) -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 21:30:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2A2UDU16989 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p53.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.53]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12185 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:30:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA991F7.3050401@radix.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:31:19 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... References: <20010309131302.1296.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Dave Yates wrote: > >> Laura Granato Boldly stated, having subscribed for what, >> 2 years ? Maybe? : >> >> >>>> BAH! I'll continue to post OT to DCC ; Flame away ! >>> >> I've forgotten more DCC flame threads than most DCC 2 >> listers have ever seen ! > ouch. > > as kind as i've been for the past few months, i'm surprised > to hear that some apparently believe i've re-claimed my > former title from the Yanker. :( At best, Yanker got a split decision.. And as far as the DCC old timers & purists are concerned, TG, You were always king... ;-) -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 21:38:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2A2cDU17120 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p53.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.53]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16370 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:38:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA993D6.4010105@radix.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:39:18 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Hey! It's Dave! Also, cruiser geezers. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Smith, Steven publicly rejoiced: >> Dave Yates opined: Life on the street is a little different than >> on the track, young Padawan. sometimes, even BDC's can surprise you ! > > > Amen, hallelujah, and happy to see you back, buddy. glad to be back there neighbor! >> Jim Caldwell remonstrated: I'm amused by you young pups speculating >> about why old guys like Harleys. I have a valkyrie and my wife has >> a harley. Just wait until you get a 50 year old body and see how >> much the crotch rocket riding position appeals to it. Enjoy it while >> you can, then get a cruiser. 50 ?! BAH! I'll be long dead by then. > I really don't understand the alleged correlation between middle age and > cruiser ownership. My fifty year old legs sometime complain about the > height of my footpegs (legs younger than mine have too), but my lower back > would complain about sitting upright in the air stream. Riding in the > crouch is quite comfortable if you learn how to relax into it. I'm > beginning to believe all those anecdotes about sportbikes twisting old guys > into pretzels and the orthopedic properties of cruisers must start in > Milwaukee. The boys at HD have been getting over on us for eons now... posers keep coming back... 'it shakes, got a better seat?' $$$$$$ 'the seat's great, can I get a bigger gas tank?' $$$$$$ 'How bout some hard bags?' $$$$$$ 'How can I get more power?' $$$$$ >> Jim further speculates: I do agree, however, that the Harley is the >> bike of choice for wannabes and posers. I also think that the whole >> clothing and accessory line immensely helps their appeal with female >> riders (along with the vibrations, of course). Ok, they do sound cool... > Sometimes I think the wannabes and posers seek a machine on the basis of > their fashion sense. I've seen a few Ducatis and their immaculately > leathered riders with extremely low mileage. As far as the theory about > that which makes lady cruiser riders smile... it's an open secret on the > WIST list. At least, that's what I've been told. ;) riiiiiiight. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 21:43:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2A2hUU17213 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p53.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.53]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19354 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:43:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA9950F.9060306@radix.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:44:31 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking ahead??? References: <20010309195441.8338.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO attempted to shake the list up with a Squeakers like pearl of wisdom... > Ok, people...explain the logic behind looking in front of your bike and not looking to where you're going... > > Is it not true that your bike pretty much goes the direction you are looking... Agree = yes. > so if you're looking right ahead, you're not going where you're supposed to wind up... Who's .sig line says 'Wherever you go, there you are.'... > > you're driving a motorcycle people...not a car. You have to look through the curve in a cage just the same... I love the setup for Summit Turn 1 - and that's in a cage ;-) -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 22:20:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2A3KHU17837 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA10066624; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:27:53 GMT Message-ID: <000901c0a911$5afc5b80$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , References: <20010309113507.25305.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:22:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 ROTFL. I remember her! ...and whose life was her husband threatening?? yeeeesh... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 6:35 AM Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... > > Yeah, how many people here miss Squeakers? ;-) Now there were some hot flame > wars! > > Louis > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 23:01:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2A41UU18463 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id t.68.cb8d238 (4505); Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:00:38 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.cb8d238.27db00e6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:00:38 EST Subject: Re: YSR Mania To: JReazor@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 In a message dated 3/9/2001 5:37:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, JReazor@XXXXXX writes: << OK, I want one. Does any know of any for sale and how much can I expect to pay? -James '00 SV650 >> Look on ebay. I was there earlier today and saw at least 5 or 6 for sale. Pretty reasonable too. At least, so far. :-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 9 23:23:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2A4NuU18786 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA24040; Fri, 9 Mar 1973 23:32:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 1973 23:32:01 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Jeannette_Zell cc: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... In-Reply-To: <000901c0a911$5afc5b80$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I miss her. IMO, this list is the worse for her absence. Then again, I wasn't the target of her potshots either. --garcia On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Jeannette_Zell wrote: > ROTFL. I remember her! > ...and whose life was her husband threatening?? yeeeesh... > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 6:35 AM > Subject: Re: Biker Dichotomy... > > > > > > Yeah, how many people here miss Squeakers? ;-) Now there were some hot > flame > > wars! > > > > Louis > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 10 06:57:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2ABvqU28572 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 06:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gsx1100gp@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.21.8847373 (25100) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 06:57:39 -0500 (EST) From: Gsx1100gp@XXXXXX Message-ID: <21.8847373.27db70b3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 06:57:39 EST Subject: Fwd: LDRider: For Sale: Valentine One To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_21.8847373.27db70b3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10505 --part1_21.8847373.27db70b3_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_21.8847373.27db70b3_alt_boundary" --part1_21.8847373.27db70b3_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/7/2001 02:07:02 Eastern Standard Time, spikeheadandmouse@XXXXXX writes: > Currently for sale on the IBMWR Markeplace @ http://www.ibmwr.org/market/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Radar Detector - Valentine One > If you know about detectors, you know that this is the most sensitive, > most effective, and most expensive there is. Used for 3K miles in car > only; never used on bike. Perfect like new condition with original box, > manual, accessories. > Price: $265 includes USPS Priority Mail in US > Location: Gainesville FL > Contact Dave Winter at > Posted Tuesday, March 06, 2001 at 13:29:03 (EST) > --part1_21.8847373.27db70b3_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/7/2001 02:07:02 Eastern Standard Time,
spikeheadandmouse@XXXXXX writes:


Currently for sale on the IBMWR Markeplace @ http://www.ibmwr.org/market/
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Radar Detector - Valentine One
If you know about detectors, you know that this is the most sensitive,
most effective, and most expensive there is. Used for 3K miles in car
only; never used on bike. Perfect like new condition with original box,
manual, accessories.
Price: $265 includes USPS Priority Mail in US
Location: Gainesville FL
Contact Dave Winter at <dlwinter48@XXXXXX>
Posted Tuesday, March 06, 2001 at 13:29:03 (EST)



--part1_21.8847373.27db70b3_alt_boundary-- --part1_21.8847373.27db70b3_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 02:07:02 -0500 Received: from yucca.anv.net (yucca.anv.net [216.241.111.3]) by rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 02:06:51 -0500 Received: by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04697 for ldrider-outgoing; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from web4103.mail.yahoo.com (web4103.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.123]) by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04681 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:29:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20010307070359.1246.qmail@web4103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.171.93.45] by web4103.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:03:59 PST Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Etlicher Subject: LDRider: For Sale: Valentine One To: ldrider List , ST1100 List , list/TDM850 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ldrider@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Mike Etlicher X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Currently for sale on the IBMWR Markeplace @ http://www.ibmwr.org/market/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Radar Detector - Valentine One If you know about detectors, you know that this is the most sensitive, most effective, and most expensive there is. Used for 3K miles in car only; never used on bike. Perfect like new condition with original box, manual, accessories. Price: $265 includes USPS Priority Mail in US Location: Gainesville FL Contact Dave Winter at Posted Tuesday, March 06, 2001 at 13:29:03 (EST) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have no personal interest in this item, don't know the seller... blah, blah, blah... Mike Etlicher STOC #1567 Minneapolis, MN Sub/Unsub instructions, rules etc. are at http://www.ldriders.org/ --part1_21.8847373.27db70b3_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 10 12:30:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2AHUhU03597 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11356 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19723 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.161]) by smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9ZSMX00.5EN; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:30:33 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Cc: "Dccycles2" Subject: Daytona 200 Telecast??? Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:29:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal ESPN2 has been listing the delayed telecast of the Daytona 200 for 5:30-8:00 EST on Sunday. Now they have the Daytona Qualifying from 5:00 - 6:00 then Basketball? What the heck gives here? I had friends coming over to watch. Anyone know if it will be shown at all? P.S. I beg that no one posts the results before it is telecast. Takes the fun out of it. Gary From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 10 12:51:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2AHpfU03898 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11387 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19945 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2AHuhV23274; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:56:43 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Telecast??? Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:56:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: "Dccycles2" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103101256431W.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Um... Gary... See those two little letters after the hour in the listings? Look at 5:30 *PM* ::grin:: (You had me worried there for a sec!) - Roach On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Gary Foreman wrote: > ESPN2 has been listing the delayed telecast of the Daytona 200 for > 5:30-8:00 EST on Sunday. Now they have the Daytona Qualifying from 5:00 - > 6:00 then Basketball? What the heck gives here? I had friends coming over > to watch. Anyone know if it will be shown at all? From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 10 13:22:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2AIMuU04360 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11431 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20311 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.161]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9ZV1U00.PV6; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:22:42 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "Dccycles2" Subject: RE: Daytona 200 Telecast??? Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:21:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <0103101256431W.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Importance: Normal Looks like an ID10T error to me! Slap me silly and call me shirley! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:57 PM To: Gary Foreman; DC-Cycles Mailing List Cc: Dccycles2 Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Telecast??? Um... Gary... See those two little letters after the hour in the listings? Look at 5:30 *PM* ::grin:: (You had me worried there for a sec!) - Roach On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Gary Foreman wrote: > ESPN2 has been listing the delayed telecast of the Daytona 200 for > 5:30-8:00 EST on Sunday. Now they have the Daytona Qualifying from 5:00 - > 6:00 then Basketball? What the heck gives here? I had friends coming over > to watch. Anyone know if it will be shown at all? From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 10 16:09:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2AL97U06794 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [66.44.10.130] (helo=ElectraGlide) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14bqbp-0002jI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:09:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c0a9a6$5769f140$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Jean Cryor - Child Passenger Bill Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:09:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Bill to Prohibit Children as Passengers on Motorcycles - HB 739 Good News!! The bill that would prohibit children as passengers on motorcycles was given an unfavorable report by the Commerce and Government Matters Committee on March 9, 2001. Bill Gawthrop and I testified against this bill on February 28, 2001. I haven't seen a tally sheet yet of how delegates voted. Regards, Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 10 18:19:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2ANJkU08668 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id n.6a.c06090c (4073); Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:19:35 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6a.c06090c.27dc1087@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:19:35 EST Subject: Re: Jean Cryor - Child Passenger Bill To: KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6a.c06090c.27dc1087_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 344 --part1_6a.c06090c.27dc1087_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As noted by Kathleen, Cryor's bill was shot down. Is there anyone living in Cryor's district that would like to see her defeated in the next election as a delegate hostile to riders? If so, please contact me off line. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_6a.c06090c.27dc1087_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As noted by Kathleen, Cryor's bill was shot down.
Is there anyone living in Cryor's district that would like to see her
defeated in the next election as a delegate hostile to riders?

If so, please contact me off line.  


Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_6a.c06090c.27dc1087_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 10 18:22:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2ANMpU08764 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14bsfL-0002pw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:20:51 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:22:49 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ural test ride. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I rode to Red Lion Pennsylvania today to take a test ride on a Ural. It's basically a 1937 BMW that the Russians have been building since everyones favorite war. It was very freaky but at the same time really cool. It handles more like a car then a motorcycle and takes quite a bit of muscle to turn. I managed to fly the sidecar while only going about 15mph. Turning left seemed much easier then turning right as the car would keep the bike from leaning to far to the outside. Riding in the sidecar however was a blast. It does have a reverse gear and a kickstarter which is cool. I think I would like to take a sidecar class before I decide to buy one or not. Riding the VFR up there was fun and 216 between Hanover and Red Lion is pretty decent with some tight stuff near Red Lion but the road there is in bad shape. Getting back on the VFR after trying to wrestle the Ural around was bliss! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 11 16:29:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2BLTHU28881 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15367 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:28:55 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24425 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 7.a5.12b332e5 (4068); Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:28:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:28:32 EST Subject: Re: Daytona 200 Telecast??? To: fj1100@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 In a message dated 3/10/2001 1:23:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, fj1100@XXXXXX writes: << Looks like an ID10T error to me! Slap me silly and call me shirley! Gary >> OK Shirley. Slap, slap, slap. ;-) BTW, you wouldn't believe how many lawyers at my office I get with the ID10T error. I naturally have to explain it to them. LOL Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 11 16:58:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2BLwCU29340 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-58-123.s123.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.58.123] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14cDqm-0005Cc-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:58:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c0aa76$554ac440$7b3a2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Ural Test Ride Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:57:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:22:49 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ural test ride. I rode to Red Lion Pennsylvania today to take a test ride on a Ural. It's basically a 1937 BMW that the Russians have been building since everyones favorite war. It was very freaky but at the same time really cool. It handles more like a car then a motorcycle and takes quite a bit of muscle to turn. I managed to fly the sidecar while only going about 15mph. Turning left seemed much easier then turning right as the car would keep the bike from leaning to far to the outside. Riding in the sidecar however was a blast. It does have a reverse gear and a kickstarter which is cool. I think I would like to take a sidecar class before I decide to buy one or not. Riding the VFR up there was fun and 216 between Hanover and Red Lion is pretty decent with some tight stuff near Red Lion but the road there is in bad shape. Getting back on the VFR after trying to wrestle the Ural around was bliss! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ And I can't understand WHY ON EARTH you think you need this thing! I could understand (sort of) if you were made of money. Anyone on this list have any interesting anecdotes about the availability of parts for say....a BMW in the South American Regions? You could probably use BMW parts on a Ural, but I wouldnt want to count on it. FYI to the list: Hugh, me and Craig Johnston are entertaining the idea of travelling to Tierra Del Fuego, the southern most tip of Argentina, beginning October 2002. Please try and talk some sense into Hugh. I don't want to have to take a decision to abandon my buddy at some dirt-floor village because he chose a Ural. Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 11 19:57:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9608.mail.yahoo.com (web9608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2C0uxU02124 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:56:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010312005658.49361.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.140.103.80] by web9608.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:56:58 PST Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:56:58 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000901c0aa76$554ac440$7b3a2c42@c9rnf01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > FYI to the list: Hugh, me and Craig Johnston are > entertaining the idea of > travelling to Tierra Del Fuego, the southern most > tip of Argentina, > beginning October 2002. Please try and talk some > sense into Hugh. I don't > want to have to take a decision to abandon my buddy > at some dirt-floor > village because he chose a Ural. > > Todd (Springfield) > Having spent several months in South America traveling by motorcycle last year, I would recommend traveling with reliable, relatively common bikes. However, S. Americans are remarkably resourceful in crafting makeshift parts and jerry-rigging things together. I doubt you'd be stranded for long. My only advice is to be careful with fuel planning ... I ran out of gas twice, but both times it wasn't hard to hitch a ride into town or find someone to tow me. Here's what I rode down there: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1372934&a=10240162&p=34412180&f=0 Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR Note: You should probably only attempt the unpaved mountain route (Highway 3 I think it is, goes past El Calafate and El Chalten) if you'll be on dual-sports. I met a guy on a 1999 Honda Africa who found it at times very difficult going ... especialy fording the streams and rivers that cross over the route. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 11 20:00:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9607.mail.yahoo.com (web9607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2C10IU02271 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:00:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010312010017.33765.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.140.103.80] by web9607.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:00:17 PST Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Tierra Del Fuego To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > FYI to the list: Hugh, me and Craig Johnston are > entertaining the idea of > travelling to Tierra Del Fuego, the southern most > tip of Argentina, > beginning October 2002. Please try and talk some > sense into Hugh. I don't > want to have to take a decision to abandon my buddy > at some dirt-floor > village because he chose a Ural. > > Todd (Springfield) > Having spent several months in South America traveling by motorcycle last year, I would recommend traveling with reliable, relatively common bikes. However, S. Americans are remarkably resourceful in crafting makeshift parts and jerry-rigging things together. I doubt you'd be stranded for long. My only advice is to be careful with fuel planning ... I ran out of gas twice, but both times it wasn't hard to hitch a ride into town or find someone to tow me. Here's what I rode down there: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1372934&a=10240162&p=34412180&f=0 Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR Note: You should probably only attempt the unpaved mountain route (Highway 3 I think it is, goes past El Calafate and El Chalten) if you'll be on dual-sports. I met a guy on a 1999 Honda Africa who found it at times very difficult going ... especialy fording the streams and rivers that cross over the route. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 11 20:37:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2C1b1U02829 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-84.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.84]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA16946 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:36:59 -0500 Posted-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:36:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c0aa92$d0913be0$54a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: A new MC training course from NVCC Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:21:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0AA68.E5FF2C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0AA68.E5FF2C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the Loudoun MSF-ERC session today flyers appeared for a new (non-MSF) = on-street training course . My read generated more questions than = answers but here it is verbatim (the actual flyer had graphics nicely = presented) with the contact so anyone interested can investigate asap. = The offering is said to be sponsored by NVCC with local MSF instructors. = =20 ----------- On-Street Motorcycle Rider Training A new, semi-private course for licensed riders of all experience levels = designed to improve risk management skills and build confidence for = street riding is now offered by the Loudoun campus of the Northern = Virginia Community College. Riders learn where to put their motorcycles = under various conditions so that other road users can't get to them and = other critical techniques for enhancing safety. =20 o Improve Risk Management Skills o Build Confidence o Learn Critical Defensive Riding Techniques o Suburban and Rural Riding Environments o Two-lane and Multi-lane Roads, Country Roads & Divided Highways o Smooth Cornering Techniques ("Twisties") o Real-time Evaluation and Coaching by Radio The course is conducted in real-world riding environments under varying = traffic conditions. Learn and practice riding techniques in = neighborhoods, two-lane roads and multi-lane highways, divided highways, = and curves (twisties). State-of-the-art communications equipment is = used between the instructor and student for real-time coaching and = learning. Experienced, specially-trained instructors teach this unique = class with no more than two students per instructor. =20 For additional information and registration, please contact Claire Wynn = at 703 450-2551. ----------- Claire Wynn is the Motorcycle Program Coordinator for NVCC/Loudoun. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> The more I know, the better I get at avoiding BDC's on = cellphones Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0AA68.E5FF2C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At the Loudoun MSF-ERC session today flyers appeared = for a new=20 (non-MSF) on-street training course .  My read generated more = questions=20 than answers but here it is verbatim (the actual flyer had graphics = nicely=20 presented) with the contact so anyone interested can=20 investigate asap.  The offering is said to be sponsored by=20 NVCC with local MSF instructors. 
 
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On-Street Motorcycle Rider Training
 
A new, semi-private course for licensed riders of = all=20 experience levels designed to improve risk management skills and build=20 confidence for street riding is now offered by the Loudoun campus of the = Northern Virginia Community College.  Riders learn where to put = their=20 motorcycles under various conditions so that other road users can't get = to them=20 and other critical techniques for enhancing safety. 
 
o  Improve Risk Management Skills
o  Build Confidence
o  Learn Critical Defensive Riding=20 Techniques
o  Suburban and Rural Riding = Environments
o  Two-lane and Multi-lane Roads, Country Roads = &=20 Divided Highways
o  Smooth Cornering Techniques = ("Twisties")
o  Real-time Evaluation and Coaching by=20 Radio
 
The course is conducted in real-world riding = environments=20 under varying traffic conditions.  Learn and practice riding = techniques in=20 neighborhoods, two-lane roads and multi-lane highways, divided highways, = and=20 curves (twisties).  State-of-the-art communications equipment is = used=20 between the instructor and student for real-time coaching and = learning. =20 Experienced, specially-trained instructors teach this unique class with = no more=20 than two students per instructor. 
 
For additional information and registration, please = contact=20 Claire Wynn at 703 450-2551.
 
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Claire Wynn is the Motorcycle Program Coordinator = for=20 NVCC/Loudoun. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> The more I know, the better I get at = avoiding=20 BDC's on cellphones
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0AA68.E5FF2C00-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 11 21:05:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2C25EU03264 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-119.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.119]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17999 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:05:12 -0500 Posted-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:05:12 -0500 Message-ID: <005601c0aa96$b05746e0$54a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Finger foul Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 For those in the finger debate: I received a gentle finger foul at an MSF-ERC today, "Four fingers on the brake, please", accompanied by an unfamiliar rationale: "Fingers left on the throttle can get mashed by the brake lever in an accident." Enjoy. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Please use all five toes on my rear brake Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 11 21:18:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ren-9.cais.net (ren-9.cais.net [205.252.14.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2C2IdU03438 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from cais.com (jgateadsl.cais.net [205.252.5.196]) by ren-9.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2C2IX036051 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:18:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AAC3210.6F33CF11@cais.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:18:57 -0500 From: Jim Shoemaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Finger foul References: <005601c0aa96$b05746e0$54a4fccd@micron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mobacc wrote: > For those in the finger debate: I received a gentle finger foul at an > MSF-ERC today, "Four fingers on the brake, please", accompanied by an > unfamiliar rationale: "Fingers left on the throttle can get mashed by the > brake lever in an accident." > I tested that theory last fall and it is, in fact, true. The outcome was one broken pinkie finger as a result of it being crunched between the brake lever and throttle. I still brake with 2 or 3 fingers, because the pinkie just won't reach. Jim '00 Monster750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 11 22:09:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.troutman.org (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2C39lU04225 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [172.16.50.2]) by mail.troutman.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19556 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:09:17 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010311220743.034dc7a0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:09:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Motorcyclist Mag Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I am finally subscribing to Motorcyclist Magazine. I have been buying it and Cycle World at the news stand for a couple of years off and on. The current deal - $11.97 for a two year subscription. $0.50 an issue. Amazing. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 11 22:44:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2C3i5U04750 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-45.patriot.net [209.249.181.45]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2C3hsL31797; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:43:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3AAC44A9.D47B8369@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:38:17 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Mag References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010311220743.034dc7a0@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sucker. In a few months or less you'll be getting RENEW NOW spammail. No number to call, no impending expiration date, just and endless barrage of RENEW NOW mail. It's so bothersome I've let almost every one of my subscriptions lapse. Bill Troutman wrote: > I am finally subscribing to Motorcyclist Magazine. I have been buying it > and Cycle World at the news stand for a couple of years off and on. The > current deal - $11.97 for a two year subscription. $0.50 an issue. Amazing. > > ______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 11 23:34:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.troutman.org (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2C4YLU05508 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [172.16.50.2]) by mail.troutman.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19818 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:34:15 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010311232918.034ea900@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:34:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Mag In-Reply-To: <3AAC44A9.D47B8369@patriot.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010311220743.034dc7a0@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:38 PM 3/11/2001, William J. Huson wrote: >Sucker. In a few months or less you'll be getting RENEW NOW spammail. No >number to call, no impending expiration date, just and endless barrage of >RENEW >NOW mail. It's so bothersome I've let almost every one of my subscriptions >lapse. Add it to my growing list of spam mail and telemarketing maggots that call every day. It all goes in the circular file....still a good deal on a great mag. Went for a little solo pleasure ride today. Found some nice new roads that ended up turning to gravel. Beautiful day. BTW - I heard on NBC4 tonight that a rider was killed from Woodbridge today. He and his passenger. Alcohol a factor. They actually showed a medic carrying his bloody helmet and a bag of what looked to be body parts. It truly hope it was something else. Gruseome. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 06:08:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CB8IU12196 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-41.patriot.net [209.249.181.41]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2CB85L06276; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:08:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3AACACC4.AF1C1B7F@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:02:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Mag References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010311220743.034dc7a0@mail.troutman.org> <5.0.0.25.2.20010311232918.034ea900@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > Went for a little solo pleasure ride today. Found some nice new roads that > ended up turning to gravel. Beautiful day. > No ride fer me - had work to do. But I did grind some grime off the Hawg. Hasn't been totaly washed outside of rain since I left for the beach last Oct, and it looks it. But my Cuz went to Daytona and rode there and back! On his Harley of course. Would of taken him the whole week to get there on his Ural - note to Hugh :-) > > BTW - I heard on NBC4 tonight that a rider was killed from Woodbridge > today. He and his passenger. Alcohol a factor. They actually showed a > medic carrying his bloody helmet and a bag of what looked to be body > parts. It truly hope it was something else. Gruseome. > Umm - alcohol a factor. Maybe the printed news will have more facts other than the usual TV babble. Like was the rider drunk or was he hit by a drunk? Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 08:13:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CDDkU14005 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:11:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcyclist Mag Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:11:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just ignore the spam mail. You can see when you subscription expires on the mailing address label on your magazine. To make it easier on yourself, why don't you subscribe to the magazine in with a false first name (the name of your pet, or your DC Cycles porn name, for instance). That way, when you get spam mail from the magazine's mailing list, you know you don't have to read it or otherwise deal with it. (disclaimer: I write for magazines, so have a vested interest in keeping people reading them!). Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:38 PM To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Mag Sucker. In a few months or less you'll be getting RENEW NOW spammail. No number to call, no impending expiration date, just and endless barrage of RENEW NOW mail. It's so bothersome I've let almost every one of my subscriptions lapse. Bill Troutman wrote: > I am finally subscribing to Motorcyclist Magazine. I have been buying it > and Cycle World at the news stand for a couple of years off and on. The > current deal - $11.97 for a two year subscription. $0.50 an issue. Amazing. > > ______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 08:29:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CDTsU14239 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2CDTr025296 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:29:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:29:52 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Motorcyclist Mag In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To each his own, I guess. I had a free subscription to Motorcyclist and thought the price I paid was too high... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 08:42:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f209.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.209]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CDgpU14482 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 05:42:45 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:42:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rider's killed on Harley Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:42:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2001 13:42:45.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[51CD0330:01C0AAFA] Here's what the Post has on it. Not much more detail than what was on the news last night. I hope it wasn't anyone from here... http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55991-2001Mar12.html Perry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 09:02:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9708.mail.yahoo.com (web9708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2CE2fU14760 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:02:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010312140240.29182.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.44] by web9708.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:02:40 PST Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:02:40 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Mr. Daytona gets a "badly broken" arm and leg in restart mayhem To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Last year it was his head that got broken (but that was in a bar fight). I think he should sit 2002 out. from http://www.motoworld.com/ts/rr_01031101.jhtml At the second start, the race got ugly. Mladin broke out into the lead and Scott Russell, who was in the third row, stalled. Russell was sideswiped by Dean Mizdal and then T-boned by a rider from the back row. The crash left Russell and Mizdal motionless. Mizdal's bike caught fire and the race was restarted again. Word from the hospital has five-time Daytona winner, Russell, with a badly broken arm and leg and he will go through surgery tonight at Halifax Hospital. Updates will follow in the next week. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 09:22:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CEM5U15066 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2CERTV30279 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:27:30 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: DCC Subject: Re: Mr. Daytona gets a "badly broken" arm and leg in restart mayhem Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:27:29 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010312140240.29182.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010312140240.29182.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103120927291Y.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Scratch wrote: > At the second start, the race got ugly. Mladin broke > out into the lead and Scott Russell, who was in the > third row, stalled. Russell was sideswiped by Dean > Mizdal and then T-boned by a rider from the back row. Correction. Scott Russel stalled, then proceeded to steer his bike toward the side of the track, directly into the path of the approaching Dean Mizdal. The collision bounced Russel back toward the center of the track where the second rider then T-Boned him. If Ru$$el had done what he was supposed to (Stop, stand up, wave arms wildly), the whole thing possibly could have been avoided. Also on the list of Stupid Pro Tricks was Curtis Roberts abruptly shutting off his throttle on the banking in response to a red flag, directly in front of Hacking and Yates causing both to go down. Every racer at every event is told to raise their arm, back out of the throttle slowly, and move slightly off line because the guy behind you may not have seen the flag. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 09:23:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CENGU15076 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.39.172.184] by mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool172-184.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.172.184]) id QQkgar26816; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:23:14 GMT From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010312140240.29182.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010312140240.29182.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:23:13 -0500 To: Scratch Subject: Re: Mr. Daytona gets a "badly broken" arm and leg in restart mayhem Cc: DCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I saw it as Russell stalling and then swerving right in the path of Mizdal. What about when Roberts slowed and was side-swiped by Yates? Very scary. But biggest news is Corser on the Aprilia winning both World Superbike races in Valencia. ;-) Dan 00 RSV At 6:02 AM -0800 3/12/01, Scratch wrote: >Last year it was his head that got broken (but that >was in a bar fight). I think he should sit 2002 out. > >from http://www.motoworld.com/ts/rr_01031101.jhtml > >At the second start, the race got ugly. Mladin broke >out into the lead and Scott Russell, who was in the >third row, stalled. Russell was sideswiped by Dean >Mizdal and then T-boned by a rider from the back row. >The crash left Russell and Mizdal motionless. Mizdal's >bike caught fire and the race was restarted again. >Word from the hospital has five-time Daytona winner, >Russell, with a badly broken arm and leg and he will >go through surgery tonight at Halifax Hospital. >Updates will follow in the next week. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 09:44:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CEibU15414 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip232.herndon20.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.89.232]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02574 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:44:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AACE146.51A6229@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:46:30 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mr. Daytona gets a "badly broken" arm and leg in restartmayhem References: <20010312140240.29182.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And while we're on the subject of "strange riding" (by professionals, no less)... How about Tady Okada's wreck in the second race at Valencia? Seems like he just charged the corner and basically ended up going straight while everyone else was turning. Fugly! And what about Troy's little scare on the last lap of the first race??? Forget about knee down through the corner. Foot down and he saved it! dsnyder@XXXXXX wrote: > > I saw it as Russell stalling and then swerving right in the path of Mizdal. > What about when Roberts slowed and was side-swiped by Yates? Very scary. > But biggest news is Corser on the Aprilia winning both World > Superbike races in Valencia. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 09:59:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CExEU15678 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id JAA02331; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:53:51 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xmaa13399; Mon, 12 Mar 01 09:45:01 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GA300JHJACMM2@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:46:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:47:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Mag To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 03/12/2001 09:48:01 AM Motorcyclist magazine ---> 1.800.800.7433 --chris "William J. Huson" on 03/11/2001 10:38:17 PM To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Mag Sucker. In a few months or less you'll be getting RENEW NOW spammail. No number to call, no impending expiration date, just and endless barrage of RENEW NOW mail. It's so bothersome I've let almost every one of my subscriptions lapse. Bill Troutman wrote: > I am finally subscribing to Motorcyclist Magazine. I have been buying it > and Cycle World at the news stand for a couple of years off and on. The > current deal - $11.97 for a two year subscription. $0.50 an issue. Amazing. > > ______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 10:43:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CFhSU16395 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <16TY690Q>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:44:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gob-smacked with a feather. Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:43:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Dearly Beloved, After having spent the past week in frigid Warren, Michigan, and spending all of Saturday in neglected chores, I was determined to take two hours for myself yesterday morning. Boudicca fired up first touch (thank you dear) and we were off to reconnoiter the sand and salt strewn environs around Clifton and Fairfax Station. At a very sane speed, of course. Well, I didn't check out all the roads but I did manage Henderson, Hampton, Clifton, Newman, Colchester, and Fairfax Station. Miracle of miracles, every blessed one of them was swept clean! Not only that but the only car that got in my way actually pulled onto the shoulder to let me pass!!! Glorious ride that ended much too soon. And as far as that sane speed stuff is concerned, that might have been me hooning around like a maniac. Spring? Close enough. Enjoy, brothers and sisters, MC Happy Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 11:11:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CGBgU16787 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQkgay15390; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:11:39 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkgay04090; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:11:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:11:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Bike for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I am posting this for a friend. Do not respond to me. 2000 535 Yamaha Virago Approx. 57 mi Black, New last august Garage kept, valid inspection $4500 Respond to hkillmeyer@XXXXXX -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 11:22:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CGMQU17036 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:19:15 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Mr. Daytona gets a "badly broken" arm and leg in restart mayhem Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:19:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c0ab10$438044c0$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: roach@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 I agree that Russel should have stayed where he was. But, it looked like he was making a move toward the right (like he expected to start passing people) when the bike stalled. Kind of strange, he actually got off the line and was moving before stalling. Maybe he fried his clutch? Really ugly to watch though! In defense of Kurtis Roberts, I think the pace car was looming large when he let off. Only one angle actually showed the pace car on track ahead. IMHO, the pace car was out much too quickly and should have gathered the riders in the infield first, not on the banking. How freakin stupid is that? Put the pace car out where they have to slow from 180. How the F the pace car was already out there, with Mladin already in formation, still baffles me. More AMA "safety" in action. I came over the rise from turn 3 to see an ambulance on the track going toward 4 during the endurance race. It sure happens quick when there is a huge beast going 25 MPH. Even with the flags waving, my brain panicked for a millisecond. Luckily my body didn't respond until I thought about it for another couple as Szarek ?sp? was right on my ass (waiting until after the flags to weave around me like a traffic cone :)). Luckily, this situation was taught in the race school. But, I would think that Kurtis was worried about getting a penalty for passing the pace car, or the bike in front of him even. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 11:26:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2CGQDU17059 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26742 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Mar 2001 16:26:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010312162611.26740.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:26:10 -0500 Subject: Want Triumph Tiger demo ride my roommate is looking at dualsports and we visited a few dealerships this weekend but nobody who had a Tiger would let him ride it. And he was very much interested in the Tiger (vs. BMW's and Aprilia's which didn't fit right or had excessive weight/vibration). I know there is a tiger owner on this list. Could we purhaps arrange a test-ride? My friend is an experienced off-roader and has been riding for many a year. Preferably seeking a combination of paved and unpaved on which to test handling, etc. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 13:23:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CINZU18996 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GA300B0DKCALP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:21:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GA300001KC79G@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:21:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GA300LAFKBUTT@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:21:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:20:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Gob-smacked with a feather. To: "Smith, Steven" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <3AAD138A.683B158D@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: "Smith, Steven" wrote: > Boudicca fired up first touch (thank you dear) > and we were off to reconnoiter the sand and salt strewn environs around > Clifton and Fairfax Station. At a very sane speed, of course. > > Well, I didn't check out all the roads but I did manage Henderson, Hampton, > Clifton, Newman, Colchester, and Fairfax Station. Although all the roads in that area are very good, Hampton is my favorite, I think. Tight corners, narrow road, off camber turns, poor sightlines - it's a very technical road. It could also bite hard. I don't know why I keep going back... :) > Miracle of miracles, every blessed one of them was swept clean! Cool! Hopefully they got Chapel Road, too - that's the way I usually commute home. Ride safe... Dale -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 13:30:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2CIUiU19162 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:32:56 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:29:24 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Re: Bike for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2CIUjU19163 Only 57 miles? What a shame. >>> Sean Jordan 03/12/01 11:11AM >>> I am posting this for a friend. Do not respond to me. 2000 535 Yamaha Virago Approx. 57 mi Black, New last august Garage kept, valid inspection $4500 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 14:50:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2CJooU20455 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2159 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2001 19:50:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010312195045.2158.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:50:45 PST Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:50:45 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Spring Circles Date? To: mobacc , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <009401c0a851$5da22a60$94a4fccd@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii April 7 is the only weekend I have free in the near future. Although Sunday March 25 is also a possibility. What say all? Of course, I have no pride of ownership, any of you are welcome to do this. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 14:57:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CJvmU20593 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GA300BBEOQQJ9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:56:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GA300G01OPPVX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:56:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GA300DNAOPBCQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:56:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:55:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: FW: Concours Places Second At Daytona To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <3AAD29AF.C37B1091@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Thought this was cute... > AP Wire Service: > > Eric Bostrum rode a Kawasaki Concours smoothly and comfortably to a second > place finish in the Daytona 200 today. Disguised in lime green paint, > sporting a cut-down windshield, and without the telltale hard luggage > attached, the Concours passed as an all-out sportbike to the casual > observer. Bested only by Matt Mladen's GSXR 750 Suzuki, Bostrum said he > had high hopes of taking the overall win, but said the Connie was just a > tad too heavy to muscle its way past Mladen for good. While this may > disappoint some people, Bostrum said he felt it was acceptable for the > comfort trade-off. "Everyone else in the top ten was just wasted after the > race, but I'm fresh and ready to ride the bike home!" he told a TV > interviewer. > > Following Bostrum to the podium was Kurtis Roberts (son of King Kenny) > aboard a Honda 929. After the race, he was seen walking around and around > the Concours, muttering something about never taking a 15 year old bike for > granted again. > > Doug Chandler finished 4th, also aboard a well-disguised Concours. > > > Charlie > -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 15:07:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CK7uU20785 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14cYZY-0001qr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:05:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride In-Reply-To: <000901c0aa76$554ac440$7b3a2c42@c9rnf01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Todd Peer wrote: > And I can't understand WHY ON EARTH you think you need this thing! I could > understand (sort of) if you were made of money. > Because it would be coooool man. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 15:09:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CK91U20805 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GA300FNMPA7PP@XXXXXX> for DC-Cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:08:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GA300001P9ZUM@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:08:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GA300KOCP9BJM@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:08:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:07:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Spring Circles Date? To: Leon Begeman Cc: mobacc , DC-Cycles Message-id: <3AAD2C7F.7323897E@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010312195045.2158.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > > April 7 is the only weekend I have free in the near > future. Although Sunday March 25 is also a > possibility. What say all? > > Of course, I have no pride of ownership, any of you > are welcome to do this. But we don't know how to make the circles right. It takes talent, brains, and sidewalk chalk. :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 15:22:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2CKMVU21061 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust177.tnt3.washington.dc.da.uu.net (HELO pavilion) (63.15.236.177) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2001 20:22:29 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "Matthew Patton" Subject: RE: Want Triumph Tiger demo ride Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:02:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20010312162611.26740.qmail@theglobe.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Matt, Great for him. Im getting sick of seeing sport bikes and cruisers. I love my 1998 Tiger. Which the styling is very different from the newer models from 99+. Tell him to wait a little bit, has he seen the new creatures? They are more tiger like, with stripes. A neat looking bike, definatly stands out in the crowd. The new 2001 tiger, which is not out yet, has a 955i engine, it will be the fastest dual sport bike. The same engine in the daytone and triple i believe. Imagine yourself doing 150mph on a tiger :) , personally i would love to have that engine in my tiger. A awesome 3 cyclinder like that :). There is the ktm lc8 that is coming out, that is the only bike i would consider trading my tiger for. Actually, i dont think i would trade it :) , i would not trust the ktm for long distances. There is a great tiger vs bmw review on www.motorcycle.com check that out. (The tiger on there is the styling i got) Also there is a review of a moto guzzi, bmw, and tiger on some other site. Of the bunch, the tiger is the most dirt worthy. The beemer the most comfy. Sorry mate, the only person that can ride my tiger is me :) . He can ride my ke100 if he wants, im sure there is a triumph dealer willing to let you test ride it. They get payed for test rides i believe. Call Clinton cycles, they might have one. Also im getting the tiger checked out pretty soon, getting D&d exhausts put in. Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph Tiger 1999 Kawasaki ke100 (for sale) my roommate is looking at dualsports and we visited a few dealerships this weekend but nobody who had a Tiger would let him ride it. And he was very much interested in the Tiger (vs. BMW's and Aprilia's which didn't fit right or had excessive weight/vibration). I know there is a tiger owner on this list. Could we purhaps arrange a test-ride? My friend is an experienced off-roader and has been riding for many a year. Preferably seeking a combination of paved and unpaved on which to test handling, etc. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 16:02:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CL2AU21703 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GA30059IRQZS2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:01:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GA300501RPZGC@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:01:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GA3003HXRPKCU@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:00:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:00:24 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AAD38E8.EB51E8CB@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Todd Peer wrote: > > > And I can't understand WHY ON EARTH you think you need this thing! I could > > understand (sort of) if you were made of money. > > > Because it would be coooool man. Only if it held together for the whole trip down and back. Which I don't think and '30s era motorcycle could do without problems... -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 16:43:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CLhAU22343 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14ca3x-0006G1-00; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:41:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:43:07 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Dale Horstman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride In-Reply-To: <3AAD38E8.EB51E8CB@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > Only if it held together for the whole trip down and back. > Which I don't think and '30s era motorcycle could do without > problems... > The newer ones are supposed to be quite reliable if they're broken in correctly. This chick didn't seem to think they where too unreliable. Ural babes rule http://verbum.com/jaunt/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 16:56:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CLunU22525 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GA300G5IU9SBN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:56:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GA300D01U9RRT@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:56:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GA300D1LU9425@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:55:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:55:19 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AAD45C7.2DCECD90@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Only if it held together for the whole trip down and back. > > Which I don't think and '30s era motorcycle could do without > > problems... > > > The newer ones are supposed to be quite reliable > if they're broken in correctly. This chick didn't seem to > think they where too unreliable. Ural babes rule > http://verbum.com/jaunt/ Really? An excerpts below: (And this WASN'T from the chapter entitled 'Broken Down in B.C...) "I was getting cavalier about all this. Breakdowns had become the rule instead of the exception. But Ural has a one-year, unlimited-mileage, 100 percent guarantee. "And you know you're the Ural test rider," Bob Gerend had told me in Seattle. "You'll be the first one to ride it so far on American roads. They were paying close attention to my progress, and my mishaps, using me as a "test case," really. More than that, they were very nice about sending parts as quickly as possible..." It might be nice having a Ural like this in the garage (if I had one) but I don't think I'd seriously consider leaving the Northern Virginia area with one. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 17:02:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CM2ZU22682 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GA300KOBUH8UG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:00:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GA300J01UH8KF@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:00:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GA300ICRUGSBK@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:00:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:59:55 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AAD46DB.C2FA682F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Hugh Caldwell wrote: > The newer ones are supposed to be quite reliable > if they're broken in correctly. This chick didn't seem to > think they where too unreliable. Ural babes rule > http://verbum.com/jaunt/ Here's another one, she knows the freekin' tow-truck driver by name now!!!: "WHEN WE GOT TO White River, my elation from the ride was flattened by the sight of the same tow truck that had delivered the Ural to Rory's house. Harold saw me and grinned toothlessly, as if a cash register were ringing in his head. I can't even get out of one man's tow area in a four-day time frame, I thought, and then realized that I was actually pulling at my hair. Was I going crazy?" -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 17:11:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CMBbU22813 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14caVV-0007VI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:09:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride In-Reply-To: <3AAD45C7.2DCECD90@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > > It might be nice having a Ural like this in > the garage (if I had one) but I don't think I'd > seriously consider leaving the Northern Virginia > area with one. > C'mon Dale where's your sense of adventure. Anyways I can always attach a rope to the back of Todd and CJs bikes. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 17:15:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CMF2U22965 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010312221450.GTHZ21706.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:14:50 -0800 Message-ID: <008801c0ab40$d7c8eda0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:07:34 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hugh, I kind of agree with you. I thing a Ural would be a great SECOND bike. -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride > On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Todd Peer wrote: > > > And I can't understand WHY ON EARTH you think you need this thing! I could > > understand (sort of) if you were made of money. > > > Because it would be coooool man. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 17:27:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CMRqU23114 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GA300BKLVQAIK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:27:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GA300A01VQ8RA@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:27:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GA3009C7VPU0B@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:27:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:26:57 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AAD4D31.B590469@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > It might be nice having a Ural like this in > > the garage (if I had one) but I don't think I'd > > seriously consider leaving the Northern Virginia > > area with one. > > > > C'mon Dale where's your sense of adventure. Anyways > I can always attach a rope to the back of Todd and CJs bikes. A sense of adventure I've got. But a sense of what it's gonna feel like walking home from South America - that I don't need... :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 17:29:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CMToU23124 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14cap2-00007z-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:29:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride In-Reply-To: <008801c0ab40$d7c8eda0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, James Reazor wrote: > Hugh, > I kind of agree with you. I thing a Ural would be a great SECOND bike. > > -James > And think of all that carrying capacity. I mean who needs hardbags. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 18:15:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9615.mail.yahoo.com (web9615.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2CNF7U23978 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:15:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010312231506.35645.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.140.103.80] by web9615.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:15:06 PST Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A key advantage of a motorcycle with a side car in Argentina is that you will able to offer rides to the many beautiful twenty-something Argentine girls who spend their summer hitching/backpacking through the South in groups of two or three. Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 18:17:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CNH8U23988 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-6.patriot.net [209.249.181.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2CNF9v17200; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:15:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3AAD572D.DC774851@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:09:33 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh Caldwell wrote: > The newer ones are supposed to be quite reliable > if they're broken in correctly. This chick didn't seem to > think they where too unreliable. Ural babes rule > http://verbum.com/jaunt/ > New? It's an antique boxer twin built by the *leader* of reliablity, the ruskies. Almost all the improvements were required by the DOT and EPA. My cousin has one, He has the starting procedure laminated on a card just for quick referance - ten steps I seem to recall. Maybe in the boonies it could keep up, but you'd get squashed on the slabs - dern thing are slow as thick mud. But the Ural is kinda cute, and what the hell, it's not the destination but the journey! Happy motoring - bring lots of tools and spares... Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 18:27:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CNR3U24155 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:24:44 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:25:19 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c0ab4b$b4866f60$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: ajreinhardt@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Adam Reinhardt mused: A key advantage of a motorcycle with a side car in Argentina is that you will able to offer rides to the many beautiful twenty-something Argentine girls who spend their summer hitching/backpacking through the South in groups of two or three. I don't think so, he will have to keep a spare reliable motorcycle in there :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 18:38:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2CNcZU24323 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust88.tnt1.washington.dc.da.uu.net (HELO pavilion) (63.10.40.88) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2001 23:38:33 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: How do i remove deez nutz/screws? Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:42:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3AAD45C7.2DCECD90@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Dccycles, Im having a bit of dificulty removing some screws on my ke100. Im trying to get into the crankcase, but the soft aluminum screws cant be taken out, they are just so tight that all i can manage to do is strip them. Is there a tool that can get them out? If i could get them out, i would perhaps replace them with something more durable. Just about everything on the ke100 is soft, and is very hard not to strip something. Any ideas? RIcardo Pontes _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 18:47:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2CNlPU24489 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2CNlN015167 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:47:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:47:23 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Dccycles Subject: Re: How do i remove deez nutz/screws? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Ricardo Pontes wrote: >Im having a bit of dificulty removing some screws on my ke100. Im trying >to get into the crankcase, but the soft aluminum screws cant be taken >out, they are just so tight that all i can manage to do is strip them. >Is there a tool that can get them out? If i could get them out, i would >perhaps replace them with something more durable. Just about everything >on the ke100 is soft, and is very hard not to strip something. Any >ideas? You need an impact driver. $20 or so. You'll also need a hammer to whack it with. Those screws are not aluminum (I don't think there's any AL on the KE). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 19:16:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2D0GbU25133 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-6.patriot.net [209.249.181.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2D0GWv26727; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:16:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3AAD6590.A32E4C85@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:10:56 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: Dccycles Subject: Re: How do i remove deez nutz/screws? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > >Im having a bit of dificulty removing some screws on my ke100. Im trying > >to get into the crankcase, but the soft aluminum screws cant be taken > >out, they are just so tight that all i can manage to do is strip them. > >Is there a tool that can get them out? If i could get them out, i would > >perhaps replace them with something more durable. Just about everything > >on the ke100 is soft, and is very hard not to strip something. Any > >ideas? > > You need an impact driver. $20 or so. You'll also need a hammer to whack > it with. Those screws are not aluminum (I don't think there's any AL on > the KE). > > Kirk And after you beat the hell out of the impact wrench and get the screws looses, throw them away - but allen head machince screws, SS preferably, and a tube of anti-sieze, a goop to coat the threads with. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 22:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2D33JU27665 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [66.44.10.47] (helo=ElectraGlide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14cf5e-0002MD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:03:14 -0500 Message-ID: <008701c0ab6a$23a6f040$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Jean Cryor - Child Passenger Bill Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:03:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I just got back from Annapolis. I picked up the vote tally for HB 739 (the bill that would prohibit children as passengers on motorcycles). The vote was 0 Yea and 21 Nay. This was voted on in the Commerce and Government Matters committee. If you are inclined to do so, it would be a nice gesture to send a thank you note to the committee members. Committee members can be located at: http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/com/02cgm.html With luck, we won't have to worry about this bill coming back next year. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 23:42:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2D4ghU29134 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010313044237.QPMC21706.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:42:37 -0800 Message-ID: <002e01c0ab76$f4600d00$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:34:55 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hard bags? who needs a station wagon? You could carry a months worth of groceries in that thing... Of course that's about as far as I'd want to ride it. Actually, my wife has been talking about wanting a side car rig. That'll come in another year or 2 (the YSR comes first) a complete side car rig with reverse for just shy of $9000 sounds pretty good. Running it to Argentina on the other hand... -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, James Reazor wrote: > > > Hugh, > > I kind of agree with you. I thing a Ural would be a great SECOND bike. > > > > -James > > > And think of all that carrying capacity. I mean who > needs hardbags. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 12 23:45:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2D4j6U29211 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010313044500.QQOU21706.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:45:00 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c0ab77$499f2bc0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <20010312231506.35645.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:37:17 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hmm... wouldn't you rather just pack light and keep the pillion free for that? I mean there are 3 of you making the trip right? -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Reinhardt" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride > > > A key advantage of a motorcycle with a side car in > Argentina is that you will able to offer rides to the > many beautiful twenty-something Argentine girls who > spend their summer hitching/backpacking through the > South in groups of two or three. > > > Adam Reinhardt > > 89 CBR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 09:01:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from webmailmta.go.com (mta00f.seamail.go.com [204.202.140.192]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2DE1DU08443 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from gomailjtp04 (jtp04.seamail.go.com [10.212.0.164]) by mta00.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.05.17.04.13.p6) with ESMTP id <0GA500IGQ2UULR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 05:59:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:00:22 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3908037.984492022751.JavaMail.arlington22201@gomailjtp04> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This is an interesting read . . . all about a woman motorcyclist traveling solo, and illegally, through China on a Chang Jiang, a Chinese-made knock-off of the Ural. http://www.verbum.com/jaunt/china/dispatch.html There are also links to her four-month trip through the US on a Ural. Aaron M. ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 09:23:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9703.mail.yahoo.com (web9703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2DENXU08779 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:23:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010313142332.2994.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.44] by web9703.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:23:32 PST Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:23:32 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Urals To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought I was the only one on this list weird enough to like Urals. Hmmm... I took a test ride on one a while back at Winchester Indain (before they... uh... stopped selling Urals... but that's another story). I thought it was a blast. I rode in the chair first, and my grin went all the way around to the back of my head. :) *Then* I got to drive it. Very cool. It was weird to be turning without leaning, and leaning without turning. It also steered a little with throttle usage. Roll on, go right; roll off, go left. I didn't buy one then because I didn't quite have the money. The more I hear and read, though, the more I think a restored pre-69 Beemer (I'm pretty sure the pre-69 ones have the sidecar lugs built-in) would be a better deal. The Ural sidecars are supposed to be great (better than the HD chairs, according to one magazine), but the Ural bikes... *shrug* These guys could probably hook you up with a better-than-new Beemer with chair: http://www.bluemooncycle.com/ http://members.aol.com/vechbmw/logo.html Have you seen the Chinese version? Pretty neat too. I like their side car fender better than the Russian one. I think the Russian fender light was borrowed from a snow plow. ;) Some day I will have a sidecar rig, and with God as my witness, I will never be caged again. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 09:45:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2DEjpU09216 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-34.patriot.net [209.249.181.34]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2DEjmv22206; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:45:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3AAE314C.6195427A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:40:12 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scratch CC: DCC Subject: Re: Urals References: <20010313142332.2994.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I believe the older BMWs also have Earles forks, which I think are da bomb for sidecar piloting. One of my pals has a `50 sumpin Beemer - leaky bings and all. It's rarely riden garage queen with I think less than 4K on it. Make a cool sidecar rig, but like the Ural, not enough muscle to safely ride the slabs so travel itineraries would have to take that into account. If I ever live long enough to retire on the coast a sidecar rig is in the plan, along with a scooter for shopping trips. I'd still have a cage, a 4WD truck to hit the beach on those surf fishing excursions. Bill Scratch wrote: > I thought I was the only one on this list weird enough > to like Urals. Hmmm... > > I took a test ride on one a while back at Winchester > Indain (before they... uh... stopped selling Urals... > but that's another story). I thought it was a blast. > I rode in the chair first, and my grin went all the > way around to the back of my head. :) *Then* I got to > drive it. Very cool. > > It was weird to be turning without leaning, and > leaning without turning. It also steered a little > with throttle usage. Roll on, go right; roll off, go > left. > > I didn't buy one then because I didn't quite have the > money. The more I hear and read, though, the more I > think a restored pre-69 Beemer (I'm pretty sure the > pre-69 ones have the sidecar lugs built-in) would be a > better deal. The Ural sidecars are supposed to be > great (better than the HD chairs, according to one > magazine), but the Ural bikes... *shrug* > > These guys could probably hook you up with a > better-than-new Beemer with chair: > http://www.bluemooncycle.com/ > > http://members.aol.com/vechbmw/logo.html > > Have you seen the Chinese version? Pretty neat too. I > like their side car fender better than the Russian > one. I think the Russian fender light was borrowed > from a snow plow. ;) > > Some day I will have a sidecar rig, and with God as my > witness, I will never be caged again. > > Rich > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 10:06:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2DF6XU09576 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14cqNa-0001bp-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:06:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:06:30 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride In-Reply-To: <003401c0ab77$499f2bc0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually I think that the other two are now making tracks to the Ural dealer as we speak. On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, James Reazor wrote: > Hmm... wouldn't you rather just pack light and keep the pillion free for > that? I mean there are 3 of you making the trip right? > > -James > > > > > A key advantage of a motorcycle with a side car in > > Argentina is that you will able to offer rides to the > > many beautiful twenty-something Argentine girls who > > spend their summer hitching/backpacking through the > > South in groups of two or three. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 10:18:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2DFINU09780 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14cqX9-0003mW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:16:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:18:22 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Urals In-Reply-To: <20010313142332.2994.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Scratch wrote: Thanks for the links. > > Have you seen the Chinese version? Pretty neat too. I > like their side car fender better than the Russian > one. I think the Russian fender light was borrowed > from a snow plow. ;) > A friend who used to work in China smuggled one out in numerous boxes. I though the filter under the gas cap to catch all the crap coming out of the pump was a nice touch. I also believe that it didn't have a swingarm and the rear wheel travels vertically. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 14:24:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2DJOPU13659 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-211.s211.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.211] helo=pawilson) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14cuP9-0001Yi-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c0abf3$552ba460$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20010313142332.2994.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Urals Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:17:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scratch > Some day I will have a sidecar rig, and with God as my > witness, I will never be caged again. I'll second that (e)motion. In addition to the pre-69 BMWs you mentioned, I read somewhere that there are a some mid-70s CB750s with factory sidecar lugs. Honda made them for the police market, apparently. Paul in DC 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 15:32:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.troutman.org (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2DKWZU14861 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com ([209.249.185.69]) by mail.troutman.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31747 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:32:24 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010313153156.02a37960@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:32:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Goofy bike rack Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This looks a bit goofy, but functional I suppose... http://hometown.aol.com/mschue5938/mschuette.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 16:37:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2DLbKU16024 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 24-168-209-35.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.168.209.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2001 21:37:18 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Back from Daytona Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:37:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Well, kiddies, I'm back from Daytona, and I must say, it was a rollicking trip. I didn't leave until 12:30 as I was waiting for it to warm up a bit. It was 43 when I left. The RT was running schweeeeet and I got into the groove on the way down. I gassed up outside of Richmond and my feet didn't touch the ground again until I got to Florence SC. That's my personal best. I did 400 miles in 6 hours and I could have gone farther, but decided half way was enough for Wednesday. Thursday dawned a little chilly, so I bundled up and hit the road. Got to Bulow campground (just north of Daytona) at about 2:30pm and set up camp. The temp started dropping as soon as I arrived and it got damned cold (40's) that night. The one person I knew for certain there, told me he was leaving the next morning, so I was on my own. However, BMW people are not shy, so soon I was laughing and scratching with all sorts of new best friends. Saw the 600 SS race on Friday and was that an amazing race. If they ever televise it, see it. Friday night it rained and camping in the rain isn't my favorite. The SS race got me really pumped up for Sunday, which turned out to be a snooze. A snooze with 3 red flag restarts. After the 3rd restart, Picotte was in third place (briefly) and he blew up shortly thereafter. The start of the race was delayed because of the 'television window', whatever that means and all the red flags had the race ending at 5:45pm. I was on I95 by 6:20 heading north. Got in last night and it rained a good portion of yesterday which sucked. Cold and wet are not my favorite conditions. Daytona was the same as always - way too many loud Harleys (saw Willie G at the Track). Lots of drunks, lots of nudity, too much traffic. LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 17:21:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2DMLtU16724 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GA50095HQ3FVB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:21:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GA500701Q3BQN@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:21:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GA50073CQ33AL@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:21:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:20:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: bike crash link To: Concours Owners Group , Chatty Morons , LDR Chat Message-id: <3AAE9D2D.552D8312@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en worth reading: http://www.blackletter.org/featured%20articles/truth%20about%20mcycle%20crash.html -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 17:57:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2DMvUU17271 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id o.e8.11c40aaa (15879); Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from web49.aolmail.aol.com (web49.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.10]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:56:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:56:42 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Goofy bike rack To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: My question is....who would want to carry a bicycle with a motorcycle? Scooter In a message dated Tue, 13 Mar 2001 3:35:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, Troutman writes: << This looks a bit goofy, but functional I suppose... http://hometown.aol.com/mschue5938/mschuette.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 18:33:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2DNXoU17905 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2DNXl020268 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:33:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:33:46 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Goofy bike rack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >My question is....who would want to carry a bicycle with a motorcycle? People who'd rather ride a motorcycle than drive a car but also want to bring their bicycle somewhere. I've done it. I used to switch back and forth between riding the bicycle and motorcycle when riding to work. Sometimes I'd take both and leave the motorcycle at work over night. I wouldn't have minded having a rack for this and for when I used to race as well. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 20:35:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2E1ZKU20018 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-74-138.s138.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.74.138] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14d0C4-000031-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:35:16 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c0ac27$004381a0$8a4a2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: South America Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:35:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Having spent several months in South America traveling by motorcycle last year, I would recommend traveling with reliable, relatively common bikes. However, S. Americans are remarkably resourceful in crafting makeshift parts and jerry-rigging things together. I doubt you'd be stranded for long. My only advice is to be careful with fuel planning ... I ran out of gas twice, but both times it wasn't hard to hitch a ride into town or find someone to tow me. Here's what I rode down there: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1372934&a=10240162&p=34412180&f=0 Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR ----------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the tips Adam. BTW, wadja get for that CBR witha bald tire...heheh Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 20:38:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2E1c2U20028 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.169.34]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f2E1anM07936 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:36:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001501c0ac27$202e9680$22a92626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: hotel room at VIR? Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:35:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Okay all you racer and racerettes, I'm looking for a little local information about the greater Virginia International Raceway area. A friend of mine and I are headed down for the AMA races in late September, and I am seeking qualified opinions about where I ought to seek shelter for the weekend. I know nothing about the area, and would like to hear from those who have been there. Can anybody help with hotel info.? Howard J. Koontz 1998 CBR600F3 (For Sale- http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R178727+Q358105073) Buy this bike ---^ 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail "I'm easy to get along with once I get my way." From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 20:43:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2E1hXU20125 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-74-138.s138.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.74.138] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14d0K3-0001PD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:43:31 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c0ac28$27656680$8a4a2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:43:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > > It might be nice having a Ural like this in > the garage (if I had one) but I don't think I'd > seriously consider leaving the Northern Virginia > area with one. > C'mon Dale where's your sense of adventure. Anyways I can always attach a rope to the back of Todd and CJs bikes. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Not a problem if you don't mind being dragged around the countryside. Wear extra thick leathers! T From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 20:46:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2E1k3U20224 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-74-138.s138.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.74.138] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14d0MR-0001s1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:46:00 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c0ac28$7fe29940$8a4a2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:45:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Ural Test Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A key advantage of a motorcycle with a side car in Argentina is that you will able to offer rides to the many beautiful twenty-something Argentine girls who spend their summer hitching/backpacking through the South in groups of two or three. Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR --------------------------------------------------- Hmmm! What other "Been there..." gems can you part with Adam? ...... a Ural, huh?....there may be something to this.... Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 21:00:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2E20DU20513 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.70.89cf67a (4561) for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:59:26 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <70.89cf67a.27e02a7e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:59:26 EST Subject: Re: hotel room at VIR? & VIR race is 150km To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Check the website www.virclub.com. There are a bunch of hotels, motels, and camping listed under "Area Information." Quote from VIRclub.com: "The AMA Superbike Series finale at VIR will be 150 kilometers long, meaning that the teams will have the added challenges of making a pit stop for fuel and possibly tires. Besides the Daytona 200, the VIR Superbike race is the only event in the series that requires a pit stop." I didn't know they were going to do this. Why have pit stops at only two races? Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 22:16:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2E3G3U21746 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-55.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.247]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29537; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:15:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AAEE299.825DC81D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:16:41 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Howard J. Koontz" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hotel room at VIR? References: <001501c0ac27$202e9680$22a92626@apnHOFOJOKO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard, I think most of us DCCers (me, Mark Kitchell, Danny Thompson, Brian Roach, Bannon Wysocki) who did CSS@VIR last May stayed at the Stratford Inn. Pretty much on the "main drag". Right down the road from a really good (and cheap) Mexican restaurant. Restaurant at the hotel was open early enough to grab b'fast. As convenient to the track as it gets. My wife found it on the web and the reason we chose it was because they take pets so we could have our dog with us. Chuck "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > > Hey, > Okay all you racer and racerettes, I'm looking for a little local > information about the greater Virginia International Raceway area. A friend > of mine and I are headed down for the AMA races in late September, and I am > seeking qualified opinions about where I ought to seek shelter for the > weekend. I know nothing about the area, and would like to hear from those > who have been there. Can anybody help with hotel info.? > > Howard J. Koontz > 1998 CBR600F3 (For Sale- > http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R178727+Q358105073) > Buy this bike ---^ > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail > "I'm easy to get along with once I get my way." -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 23:06:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2E46QU22636 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJKdkY2/xoz6P4KpKD4riJ2vuUwRHGqQ8g=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FYGB8LM7; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:06:20 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:50:09 -0500 Subject: Which BMW's Have Lugs Message-ID: <20010313.230445.-200951.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-10,12,14,16 From: Tom Fitzpatrick 1969 and prior BMW's made for the European market and for export have the Earls forks and the lug for the side car. They are called "Slash Two's" or, as from where the name is derived, /2's. In 1967 or 1968, BMW decided that a "standard" fork arrangement would sell better in the U.S. They took the same motorcycle, and put a tube and slider fork on it. They also determined that this fork was not the best for side car duty, so they cut off the lugs from the frame. So configured, they are called "US" models rather than "/2" models. I have a 1969 R50US, which is the 500cc version. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 13 23:06:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2E46RU22639 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJKdkY2/xoz6P4KpKD4riJ1DzksJIkCbXw=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FYGB8LPW; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:06:20 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:54:07 -0500 Subject: To SS or not to SS, that is the question Message-ID: <20010313.230445.-200951.1.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,7-8,12-14,16,18,20 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Many of us think that stainless steel is the absolute best way to go for all applications. This is not necessarily the case. Steel is graded for many different types of uses. For automotive use (our use), it is often best to look for SAE 5 or Metric 8.8 (I believe those are the designations). When I desperately needed some metric hardware and all the shops were closed, I was delighted to find a decent assortment at Lowe's. I do agree that it is a good idea to sometimes use anti-sieze, particularly in exhaust applications. However, keep in mind that any lubrication will affect torque settings. And some applications would be better served by loctite of the appropriate hue. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 07:23:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2ECNTU01306 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-15.patriot.net [209.249.181.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2ECNRv23056; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:23:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3AAF616E.9111864@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:17:50 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Fitzpatrick CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: To SS or not to SS, that is the question References: <20010313.230445.-200951.1.CelticRacing@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > Many of us think that stainless steel is the absolute best way to go for > all applications. This is not necessarily the case. Steel is graded for > many different types of uses. For automotive use (our use), it is often > best to look for SAE 5 or Metric 8.8 (I believe those are the > designations). True, but for aluminum case screw action SS kicks ass. Allen heads instead of those cheesy and pesky phillips screws. You can get them polished, plain, or in decorator black. SS bolts are also rated grade 3, 5, 8 etc, which is the strength of the bolt. For engine use I use what is specified, grade-wise and alloy. > I do agree that it is a good idea to sometimes use anti-sieze, > particularly in exhaust applications. However, keep in mind that any > lubrication will affect torque settings. And some applications would be > better served by loctite of the appropriate hue. Also true, but most torque settings are with *wet* threads, as in lightly oiled. A dry bolt will throw the settings off more. When going into AL I use anti-sieze if I ever intend to take that bugger apart again, and I use loctite when specified or if I don't want a part falling off at the wrong moment. Like outboards, also a lot of cast AL, motorcycle engine assembly requires a degree of care with torque settings, easy to strip the threads. On my racing outboards, which were torn down frequently, I'd helicoil the holes. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 08:10:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11207.mail.yahoo.com (web11207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2EDA6U01990 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:10:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010314131005.1320.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11207.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:10:05 PST Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: hotel room at VIR? & VIR race is 150km To: FGrefe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <70.89cf67a.27e02a7e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You may want to try www.johnnyroadtrip.com. This site has a lot of good traveling info for sports fans, but would include all types of roadtrips. It has nice links for cheap hotels, etc. Matt --- FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > Check the website www.virclub.com. There are a > bunch of hotels, motels, and > camping listed under "Area Information." > > Quote from VIRclub.com: > "The AMA Superbike Series finale at VIR will be 150 > kilometers long, meaning > that the teams will have the added challenges of > making a pit stop for fuel > and possibly tires. Besides the Daytona 200, the VIR > Superbike race is the > only event in the series that requires a pit stop." > > I didn't know they were going to do this. Why have > pit stops at only two > races? > > Fred Grefe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 08:29:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2EDTQU02268 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 2801 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 05:29:15 -0800 Received: from 1Cust178.tnt2.washington.dc.da.uu.net (HELO ibm010jim) (63.10.42.178) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 05:29:15 -0800 X-Sent: 14 Mar 2001 13:29:15 GMT Message-ID: <009e01c0ac8b$e561d700$5302a8c0@ibm010jim> From: "Jim Caldwell" To: References: <200103140001.f2E01L218390@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: FS: Autocom sytem for two bikes Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:36:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I have two Autocom Eurocom systems, complete with cords, three sets of headsets (for full face helmets), Kenwood FRS radios. Asking $650 (original cost about $1100). Also have CB, Cord & Antenna for another $100. Used one season, works great. jimcald@XXXXXX Jim Caldwell, Owings, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 09:57:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2EEvSU03760 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32640 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Mar 2001 14:57:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010314145727.32639.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:57:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Goofy bike rack Scooter sayeth: > My question is....who would want to carry a bicycle with a motorcycle? Actually I would. I'm planning to do the Bike Colorado in June and I also want to have my MC there. So I can ship the bicycle or carry it. While i find the contraption, neat, I'll stick to UPS'ing the bicycle. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 10:20:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2EFKiU04188 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10863 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Mar 2001 15:20:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010314152043.10862.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:20:42 -0500 Subject: '98 Daytona for sale Saw this on the Triumph list. He's local, so I'm forwarding. Subject: Daytona For Sale I have a friend with a 1998 Daytona for sale. It's in nice condition. Forgot to look at miles. Red in color. It's in the DC area and he's asking $7300. Contact him direct via email at ekroman3d@XXXXXX if interested. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 11:03:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f65.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2EG3UU04950 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:03:23 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:03:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Red Triumph at NASD Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:03:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2001 16:03:23.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C2B60F0:01C0ACA0] I saw a red Triumph (Sprint?) with VA tags in the NASD garage this morning. Anyone one the list? Perry Wishing I had ridden today... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 11:25:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2EGPrU05326 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8393 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Mar 2001 16:25:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010314162553.8391.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:25:52 -0500 Subject: Ural's and old BMW's Check out bob's BMW off of '95 (www.bmwbobs.com). They have a side-car and a '62 R60/2. Best Offer he says. Horkster? -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 11:49:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2EGnqU05791 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21582 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2001 16:49:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010314164951.21581.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:49:51 PST Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:49:51 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ural's and old BMW's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010314162553.8391.qmail@theglobe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now there's a use for the project Connie or the Suzi 850. Get the hack and put it on a bike with a bit more power. Leon. --- Matthew Patton wrote: > Check out bob's BMW off of '95 (www.bmwbobs.com). > They have a side-car and a '62 R60/2. Best Offer he > says. Horkster? > -- > > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is > restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > Powered by Outblaze __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 11:57:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from franklin.uscourts.gov (franklin.uscourts.gov [207.41.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2EGvGU05974 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange2.cafc.dcn ([156.132.100.5]) by franklin.uscourts.gov (8.11.0/10.11.0) with ESMTP id f2EGvAn23309 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE2 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:57:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Demello, Jill" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Valve Adjustment? Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:57:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain My new bike requires on every 6K miles. I know it takes 6 hours from my last bill. What could take so long on such a little engine. If anyone knows everthing that's involved an an adjustment, let me know. Just curious. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 12:18:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2EHIjU06340 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GA70043J6QJXS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:18:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GA700E016QDKU@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:18:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GA700ANA6PZ3G@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:17:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:17:24 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Ural's and old BMW's To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AAFA7A4.E6C5F017@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010314164951.21581.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > > Now there's a use for the project Connie or the Suzi > 850. Get the hack and put it on a bike with a bit > more power. I had a chance to buy a hack Connie last year for something like $2000 - I'm still kicking myself over not jumping on it... But this year, I've got too many projects to work on... gonna pass. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 12:28:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2EHSZU06527 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQkgin16491 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:28:35 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkgin03941 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:27:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:27:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Valve Adjustment? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > What could take so long on such a little engine. If anyone >knows everthing that's involved an an adjustment, let me know. Just >curious. What kind of bike is it?? -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 13:55:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from franklin.uscourts.gov (franklin.uscourts.gov [207.41.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2EItJU08069 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange2.cafc.dcn ([156.132.100.5]) by franklin.uscourts.gov (8.11.0/10.11.0) with ESMTP id f2EItDn24006 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE2 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:55:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Demello, Jill" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kawasaki Svc Recommendation Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:55:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Now that Bob & Ed have have left Cycle Sport for Powerride, who won't service my Kawasaki, I need to find someone new. Anyone have recommendations? Anyplace I should avoid? > ---------- > From: Sean Jordan[SMTP:sjordan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Valve Adjustment? > > > What could take so long on such a little engine. If anyone > >knows everthing that's involved an an adjustment, let me know. Just > >curious. > > What kind of bike is it?? > > > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 14:20:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2EJKWU08537 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net (charon.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA23056; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:18:11 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Demello, Jill" , Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 19:20:19 UT Subject: RE: Kawasaki Svc Recommendation Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:19:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Lots of listers have seemed happy with Manassas Honda/Kawasaki. They're a little ways out of town, but they're worth it. Chris Weaver VTR, EARA #24, www.dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Demello, Jill [mailto:demelloj@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:55 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kawasaki Svc Recommendation Now that Bob & Ed have have left Cycle Sport for Powerride, who won't service my Kawasaki, I need to find someone new. Anyone have recommendations? Anyplace I should avoid? From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 14:42:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.nasd.com (mail2.nasd.com [204.71.174.196]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2EJgAU08957 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rkv-srv-wssp1 (rkv-srv-wssp1.rkv.nasd.com [150.123.150.21]) by mail2.nasd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12523 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 150.123.89.75 by rkv-srv-wssp1 with ESMTP (Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:41:56 -0500 X-Server-Uuid: a8fc33fc-0f41-4915-ba2d-160074bd36ee Received: from rkv-srv-mta1.rkv.nasd.com ([150.123.93.38]) by rksunsims1.rkv.nasd.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.03.02.17.58.p5) with ESMTP id <0GA700FCSDDYYV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by RKV-SRV-MTA1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:42:36 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:42:37 -0500 From: "Navarro, Edmond" Subject: Bike for sale '95 YZF-600R To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <71EBE45B00DAD211A8690008C7B941FC0547C78B@RKV-SRV-EXCH1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 16B1160E498165-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1995 YZF-600R Blue/Purple. Bike is in great condition, with 11K miles. New front tire (Dunlop Sportmax ZR 17), Oakley tinted windshield, stock pipe. Price is $3900. If interested call Eddy @ 240-372-0543. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 15:15:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2EKFHU09539 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2EKL3V01536 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:21:03 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:21:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No, I'm not turning over a new leaf or anything... I'll still be the same sarcastic, bitter loudmouth I've always been, but I just wanted to drop a line to the list to make a smal announcement that I'm pretty happy about. On Monday, I signed a contract to have a house built in scenic Delaware (Yes, Delaware). I'm giving up being a computer geek and am going to work on bikes for a living, working for SpeedWerks Sport Bike Services, in Dover, DE. Also joining me in this three hour cruise is one Miss Laura. And don't blame me for taking her away! I didn't even have to throw her in the trunk or anything to get her to go :) We'll still be on the lists, and probably even make some of the group rides when we can... the house is going to take 4 - 5 months to be built, and it's only about 100 miles away anyway. Basically, you just can't get rid of us THAT easily :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 15:21:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2EKLUU09626 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2EKRGV01593 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:27:16 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: '97 TL1000S for sale (Spam) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:27:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031415271622.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For sale: 1997 Suzuki TL1000S. 10k miles, mint condition. Green, updated ECU, micron slip-on exhausts, Michelin Pilots, Solo seat cowl, Fully serviced and maintained by SpeedWerks. Pics available. $4500 quick sale. Contact SpeedWerks, (302) 672-7223 ask for Steve Long. - Roach ------------ Brian Roach SpeedWerks Sport Bike Services Dover, DE (302) 672-RACE From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 15:31:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2EKVfU09794 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7332 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2001 20:31:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010314203140.7331.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:31:40 PST Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Kawasaki Svc Recommendation To: "Demello, Jill" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know about service, but I'd sure like to keep the dealer near me open. Motorcycle Factory Inc. on Prince William Parkway. It's about halfway between Minnieville road and Hillendale Drive. Look up the hill, it's between Goodyear and UHaul. Leon. --- "Demello, Jill" wrote: > Now that Bob & Ed have have left Cycle Sport for > Powerride, who won't > service my Kawasaki, I need to find someone new. > Anyone have > recommendations? Anyplace I should avoid? > > > ---------- > > From: Sean Jordan[SMTP:sjordan@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:27 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Valve Adjustment? > > > > > What could take so long on such a little > engine. If anyone > > >knows everthing that's involved an an adjustment, > let me know. Just > > >curious. > > > > What kind of bike is it?? > > > > > > > > -- > > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation > of death and the > > skillful defiance of it." > > > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > > > Sean Jordan > > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > > WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 > > > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 15:41:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2EKfHU09894 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2EKl2V01704; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:47:02 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Valve Adjustment? Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:47:01 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: Cc: Jill MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031415470123.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Sean Jordan wrote: > > What could take so long on such a little engine. If anyone > >knows everthing that's involved an an adjustment, let me know. Just > >curious. > > What kind of bike is it?? Every 6000 miles smells like a Ducati to me.. If I'm wrong, ignore the following :) Adjusting Desmo valves is more involved than say, shimming FZR400 valves, but it shouldn't take 6 hours. Who quoted you this? - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 16:03:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3706.mail.yahoo.com (web3706.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.135]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2EL3RU10317 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:03:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010314210322.22605.qmail@web3706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.133.22.69] by web3706.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:03:22 PST Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:03:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Knapik Subject: For Sale '83 Honda CX650C To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For Sale: '83 Honda CX650C Shaft drive White, Shoei hard bags, windshield 35K miles $800.00 301-869-2984 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 16:52:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2ELqWU11104 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:52:26 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F54A1@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:52:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If the new garage won't hold all the bikes I'll be glad to take a couple off your hands :) Um, the big screen too, if necessary. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:21 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: The new Roach... sorta :) No, I'm not turning over a new leaf or anything... I'll still be the same sarcastic, bitter loudmouth I've always been, but I just wanted to drop a line to the list to make a smal announcement that I'm pretty happy about. On Monday, I signed a contract to have a house built in scenic Delaware (Yes, Delaware). I'm giving up being a computer geek and am going to work on bikes for a living, working for SpeedWerks Sport Bike Services, in Dover, DE. Also joining me in this three hour cruise is one Miss Laura. And don't blame me for taking her away! I didn't even have to throw her in the trunk or anything to get her to go :) We'll still be on the lists, and probably even make some of the group rides when we can... the house is going to take 4 - 5 months to be built, and it's only about 100 miles away anyway. Basically, you just can't get rid of us THAT easily :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 18:52:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f30.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.30]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2ENqWU12942 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:52:26 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:52:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:52:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2001 23:52:26.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2550460:01C0ACE1] "You can't go.....All the plants will die!" Any "Stripes" fans out there? :) Seriously, though...sounds like a great gig. Best of luck to you both! Don't be strangers. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 19:58:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2F0waU14096 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJKdkY2/xoz6WTEVZ7lD8TQ5YusMMjHoYg=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FYJKRKWN; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:56:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:55:22 -0500 Subject: Cost of Ducati Valve Adjustment Message-ID: <20010314.195529.-341319.4.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4,6,8,10 From: Tom Fitzpatrick I thought the high cost of Ducati valve adjustments was related to accessibility. I thought you had to practically remove the engine to get to them. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 20:05:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2F154U14276 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 17946 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 17:04:56 -0800 Received: from 1Cust253.tnt25.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.36.12.253) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 17:04:56 -0800 X-Sent: 15 Mar 2001 01:04:56 GMT Message-ID: <007201c0acec$2db3eec0$fd0c243f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "DC Cycles" References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:05:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Also joining me in this three hour cruise is one Miss Laura. And don't blame > me for taking her away! I didn't even have to throw her in the trunk or > anything to get her to go :) > In leaving for Delaware sometime soon (wahoooooo!) , I shall have a beautiful townhouse available to rent. If anyone knows of someone looking to rent a townhouse in Centreville, here are the details: 3 levels-finished 3 bedrooms 2.5 baths dining room, family room, kitchen TONS of storage two reserved parking spots right in front of house deck walk-out basement washer/dryer gas heat right off stone road (which connects 28 and 29, and is less than a mile from 66) Shopping center two blocks away with a Giant, blockbuster, starbucks, etc. And great, and I mean great!!!, neighbors If you, or anyone you know and trust, is looking to rent a place, have them send me e-mail at lgranato@XXXXXX. Move-in date is flexible depending on person's needs. Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 20:15:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2F1FmU14441 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id m.c3.ebabe1d (9623); Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:15:31 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:15:31 EST Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 128 Market crashes, Roach leaves. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 20:33:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2F1XkU14685 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010315013343.CPBU1870.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:33:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3AB01B74.45EFCE01@home.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:31:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: just passing along... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...thought it was appropriate for the area... http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0314b.htm Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 20:42:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2F1gtU14855 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p26.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.26]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29981 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:42:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB01E68.2030001@radix.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:44:08 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > No, I'm not turning over a new leaf or anything... I'll still be the same > sarcastic, bitter loudmouth I've always been Whew. thought you may've finally gotten the higher dosage of prozac... , but I just wanted to drop a > line to the list to make a smal announcement that I'm pretty happy about. > > On Monday, I signed a contract to have a house built Good deal. > in scenic Delaware (Yes, > Delaware). Delaware is scenic ? > I'm giving up being a computer geek and am going to work on bikes > for a living, working for SpeedWerks Sport Bike Services, in Dover, DE. Dover? Ben Dover? ;-) > > Also joining me in this three hour cruise is one Miss Laura. And don't blame > me for taking her away! I didn't even have to throw her in the trunk or > anything to get her to go :) was there any clubbing or photographs of a comprimising content ? > > We'll still be on the lists, and probably even make some of the group rides > when we can... the house is going to take 4 - 5 months to be built, and it's > only about 100 miles away anyway. Basically, you just can't get rid of us > THAT easily :) Good luck with the house and other things... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 21:39:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2F2dfU15682 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-64-4.s4.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.64.4] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14dNfw-0003RP-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c0acf9$29375460$04402c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Valve Adjustment? Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:39:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Demello, Jill" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Valve Adjustment? Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:57:15 -0500 My new bike requires on every 6K miles. I know it takes 6 hours from my last bill. What could take so long on such a little engine. If anyone knows everthing that's involved an an adjustment, let me know. Just curious. Now that Bob & Ed have have left Cycle Sport for Powerride, who won't service my Kawasaki, I need to find someone new. Anyone have recommendations? Anyplace I should avoid? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What sort of NEW Kawasaki needs a 6k valve adjustment interval? And at 6 HOURS!! My recommendation, avoid shops that charge you for a 6 hour valve adjustment. I'm sorry if I don't seem helpful Jill, but I have your (read female motor-vehicle owners) best interests at heart. Sometimes, women get taken advantage of at the shop. Sad, but true. I really can't think of one modern motorcycle (other than Ducati) that would require more than half the time you are being charged from start to finish. What exactly are you riding? Look in your owners manual to see what the interval actually says. Sometimes (I know Honda does this) it simply says to "inspect" some aspect at some interval, not to actually do anything. Modern motorcycles are manufactured with a fairly high level of quality these days, negating even the need to do anything that is recommended in a service manual (in most cases,...unless itsa harley...heheheh). Justa for instance, I own a 1991 Honda ST1100 and have only needed to replace two shims (valve adjusters) in over 70,000 miles! I now regularly inspect the valves every 20,000 miles even though the manual says to do so every 16,000 miles. Takes at most 2 hours (plastic removal, drink a beer, valve cover removal, drink a beer, inspect, yawn, drink a beer, reverse on covers, brink a deer, add plastic, brink another deer....). I have over 17,000 miles on my Honda VTR and don't feel any need at all to get in there and look just yet. Bike runs like a top, no tick, no hesitate, just wheelies and tire-chewing. Food for thought. Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 22:41:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2F3f5U16646 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.168.176]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f2F3ehM26554; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:40:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001f01c0ad01$93e7fa00$b0a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: , , , Cc: Subject: Thank you! Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:39:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Thanks for the help, there listers. Great info, I'll have fun hunting out a place. I didn't know about the pitstop thing, that raised an eyebrow! BTW, on the subject of services for bikes, has anyone had any experience with Cycle Accessory Discounters on Diamond Ave. in Gaithersburg? I've ordered parts from them, reasonable enough prices, and very convenient. I may consider tuning up the CBR there before its (hopefully imminent) sale. Also, OT but M/C-friendly. My push lawn mower (with its simple CV carb) is puking gas out the carb as fast as it can flow out of the tank. I took the carb apart and cleaned all the orifices, but upon reconstruction and turning on the fuel to try and start it, it just puked gas out the front side and dripped down the air cleaner even faster. Suggestions? Sticky float (Seemed okay upon inspection, but maybe...)? I don't know the origin of the leak, but from how many sources could the gas flow? Howard J. Koontz 1998 CBR600F3 (For Sale- http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R178727+Q358105073) 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 23:05:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2F45jU17126 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-6.patriot.net [209.249.181.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2F44pv29350; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB03E13.DFD61DC@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:59:15 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Howard J. Koontz" CC: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX, FGrefe@XXXXXX, the_penas@XXXXXX, m_rosenstock@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thank you! References: <001f01c0ad01$93e7fa00$b0a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard J. Koontz wrote: > Also, OT but M/C-friendly. My push lawn mower (with its simple CV carb) > is puking gas out the carb as fast as it can flow out of the tank. I took > the carb apart and cleaned all the orifices, but upon reconstruction and > turning on the fuel to try and start it, it just puked gas out the front > side and dripped down the air cleaner even faster. > Suggestions? Sticky float (Seemed okay upon inspection, but maybe...)? > I don't know the origin of the leak, but from how many sources could the gas > flow? > Stuck needle. Missing needle. (parts left over?) Or the needle seat is totaled. Some are synthetic and can dissapear when exposed to carb cleaners. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 23:14:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9006.mail.yahoo.com (web9006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.168]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2F4EJU17221 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:14:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010315041415.59154.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.101.173.35] by web9006.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:14:15 PST Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: R6 & GSXR Frame Savers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii RAM Racewares(http://www.rammc.net) has donated several sets of frame savers to the TSR Injury Fund. The remaining available sets are for Yam R6's and Pre-2000 Suz GSXR's. 1 set - Yam R6, White 2 sets - Suz GSXR, White 1 set - Suz GSXR, Black They retail for $49.99, but the Injury Fund is selling them for $45.00. With each set purchased, you will also receive one raffle ticket for the $5000 drawing scheduled for Jun 15th at VIR. http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/Raffle.htm S&H is also covered. Let us know if you're interested, TSR Injury Fund http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/InjuryFund.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 14 23:25:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2F4PNU17378 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from Deus (user-2iveoei.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.97.210]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04988; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:25:05 -0500 (EST) From: "deus exMachina" To: , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c0ad07$fec566e0$d261f7a5@Deus.pipeline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal /me wonders if he'll wear a helmet.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:21 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: The new Roach... sorta :) > > > > No, I'm not turning over a new leaf or anything... I'll still be the same > sarcastic, bitter loudmouth I've always been, but I just wanted to drop a > line to the list to make a smal announcement that I'm pretty happy about. > > On Monday, I signed a contract to have a house built in scenic > Delaware (Yes, > Delaware). I'm giving up being a computer geek and am going to > work on bikes > for a living, working for SpeedWerks Sport Bike Services, in Dover, DE. > > Also joining me in this three hour cruise is one Miss Laura. And > don't blame > me for taking her away! I didn't even have to throw her in the trunk or > anything to get her to go :) > > We'll still be on the lists, and probably even make some of the > group rides > when we can... the house is going to take 4 - 5 months to be > built, and it's > only about 100 miles away anyway. Basically, you just can't get rid of us > THAT easily :) > > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 06:39:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13004.mail.yahoo.com (web13004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2FBd7U24757 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 06:39:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010315113906.50439.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web13004.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 03:39:06 PST Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 03:39:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Valve Adjustment? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <000e01c0acf9$29375460$04402c42@c9rnf01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Now that Bob & Ed have have left Cycle Sport for Powerride, who won't > service my Kawasaki, I need to find someone new. Anyone have > recommendations? Anyplace I should avoid? PowerRide won't even service Kawasakis now? When Bob and Ed were at Cycle Sport Springfield, which wasn't a Kawasaki shop (including the time after their Herndon store lost the Kawasaki francise), they had no problem working on my Kawasaki. Is this PowerRide just being bitter because they lost the franchise? You are talking just regular work, not warrenty work, right? Does this mean they will stop servicing Hondas soon? Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 11:46:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2FGkiU29606 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 9546 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 08:46:36 -0800 Received: from 1Cust115.tnt3.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.20.247.115) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 08:46:36 -0800 X-Sent: 15 Mar 2001 16:46:36 GMT Message-ID: <009b01c0ad70$618c4920$73f7143f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3AB01E68.2030001@radix.net> Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:52:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > > in scenic Delaware (Yes, > > Delaware). > > Delaware is scenic ? Actually, yes, it's such a beautiful state. Who would have known? It's definitely different than the NOVA area, less hectic, quieter, land for miles and miles with no houses! I can't wait! AND, you can even carry concealed there! woohooo! > > > > > Also joining me in this three hour cruise is one Miss Laura. And don't blame > > me for taking her away! I didn't even have to throw her in the trunk or > > anything to get her to go :) > > was there any clubbing or photographs of a comprimising content ? Absolutely not! :-) I am going on my own free will. Happily! > > > > > > We'll still be on the lists, and probably even make some of the group rides > > when we can... the house is going to take 4 - 5 months to be built, and it's > > only about 100 miles away anyway. Basically, you just can't get rid of us > > THAT easily :) > > Good luck with the house and other things... Thanks! > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 12:06:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FH6qU29993 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-119-19.s19.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.19]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14dbD8-0004Ti-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:06:51 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Going through the curve Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:11:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3epqergn6ob8pn5t3m7dh33ls3b6o8r66t@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2FH6rU29994 I am going to summit point for the may 14th track day... I plan to get to know the track and the lines.. and then gradually expand my limits.. I have a question.. when going through the curves.. where should I be placing my weight? inside footpeg? outside footpeg? both? and maybe switching depending on which direction i want to go? Also I plan on putting a zx6r on the track.. Is there a minimum amount of plastics I need to have on the bike? Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 12:07:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wpo.aamc.org (wpo.aamc.org [143.220.4.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2FH72U00104 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from AAMC-Message_Server by wpo.aamc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:04:46 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:04:20 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: Subject: VA Ticket Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2FH73U00105 Hi folks, The trooper that pulled me over this morning was nice enough. He said he saw me making some lane changes without signalling and that he had to go on the shoulder to catch up to me. The charge is Reckless Driving and he said that I had to go to court on this one and couldn't just pay. I have a MD license so MD MVA told me that the points wouldn't carry over. (6 of them for 11 years!) I'm sure insurance will still look at this in the worst light. Any suggestions in how to handle this? Has anyone else dealt with this charge? Please reply off-list for quick delivery as I'm on digest mode. Thanks. Onur Bethesda, MD '93 Concours From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 12:15:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FHFhU00266 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net (charon.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA28822; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:13:25 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 17:15:39 UT Subject: RE: Going through the curve Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 06:14:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3epqergn6ob8pn5t3m7dh33ls3b6o8r66t@4ax.com> Importance: Normal Put your weight on the outside peg and lean off to the inside of the curve. I don't think there is a minimum of plastics - you can probably remove them all, and if you have the time it's probably not a bad idea. Remove your indicators, lights and mirrors too if you have the time and inclination. You may want to check your tire pressures and ask the racers on this list or the pace riders at the track what pressures you should be using. Somewhere in the low thirties (psi) probably. Be sure not to target fixate if someone in front of you goes off track. I did this in turn one and ended up riding through the gravel trap... I kept the bike up, but it wasn't a smart thing to do. Have fun, but be prepared for street riding to seem dull and dangerous afterwards. Chris Weaver VTR, EARA YSR #24, www.dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 3:11 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Going through the curve I am going to summit point for the may 14th track day... I plan to get to know the track and the lines.. and then gradually expand my limits.. I have a question.. when going through the curves.. where should I be placing my weight? inside footpeg? outside footpeg? both? and maybe switching depending on which direction i want to go? Also I plan on putting a zx6r on the track.. Is there a minimum amount of plastics I need to have on the bike? Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 12:18:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web115.yahoomail.com (web115.mail.yahoo.com [205.180.60.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2FHISU00286 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19476 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2001 17:18:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010315171827.19475.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Received: from [165.247.84.130] by web115.yahoomail.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:18:27 PST Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:18:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: VA Ticket To: Onur Topac , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry Onur! You have to go to court and you want to go to court! There is a good chance they will lessen the charge to improper driving (3 normal points). You need to have a pretty good story though. You may want a lawyer. The cost will be $500-$1000, and other on the list can make good recommendations. My recommendation if you go for a lawyer is to use one that works in that courthouse often. He may know the judges pretty well. Good luck --- Onur Topac wrote: > Hi folks, > > The trooper that pulled me over this morning was > nice enough. He said he saw me making some lane > changes without signalling and that he had to go on > the shoulder to catch up to me. > > The charge is Reckless Driving and he said that I > had to go to court on this one and couldn't just > pay. I have a MD license so MD MVA told me that the > points wouldn't carry over. (6 of them for 11 > years!) > > I'm sure insurance will still look at this in the > worst light. Any suggestions in how to handle this? > Has anyone else dealt with this charge? > > Please reply off-list for quick delivery as I'm on > digest mode. > > Thanks. > Onur > Bethesda, MD > '93 Concours > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 12:25:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2FHPHU00387 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26617 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Mar 2001 17:25:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010315172515.26616.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:25:11 -0500 Subject: Re: VA Ticket why would lane changes without signalling be improper driving? Hell, almost nobody uses signals in cages and they dive from lane to lane, some of them. Running redlights is a far more dangerous activity but you don't get a 'reckless' for running one, do you? I sure haven't. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 12:29:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FHTTU00471 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14dbWr-0001tT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:27:13 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:29:12 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Ticket In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you got a reckless for a not using in you signals then the cop wasn't being nice. Either you didn't use your siganls while travelling at the speed of heat or that cop hates you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 12:41:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from franklin.uscourts.gov (franklin.uscourts.gov [207.41.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FHfXU00686 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange2.cafc.dcn ([156.132.100.5]) by franklin.uscourts.gov (8.11.0/10.11.0) with ESMTP id f2FHfR122811 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE2 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:41:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Demello, Jill" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VA Ticket Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:41:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm guessing it was a high rate of speed with lane changes - sort of a weave or a curving lane split. We all know this maneuver. You can't really hit your signals fast enough. Besides, once they have to pull onto the shoulder and chase you, you're in trouble. > ---------- > From: Matthew Patton[SMTP:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: VA Ticket > > why would lane changes without signalling be improper driving? Hell, > almost nobody uses signals in cages and they dive from lane to lane, some > of them. Running redlights is a far more dangerous activity but you don't > get a 'reckless' for running one, do you? I sure haven't. > -- > > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > Powered by Outblaze > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 13:25:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f34.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FIOxU01446 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:24:53 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:24:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: Otopac@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Ticket Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:24:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2001 18:24:53.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AF5D300:01C0AD7D] Onur, Bummer dude! Get a lawyer. Now! Hopefully, someone on the list can recommend one for the jurisdiction. I got some referrals for a lawyer in Mont. Co. and it was helpful. Tell the lawyer everything and see what can be done. At a minimum, you go to court and request a PBJ, or Traffic school, or whatever. You might even get lucky and the cop won't show. I wouldn't count on that, though. I would not recommend trying to do this on your own. The $500 you save on the lawyer will probably be eaten up by the increase in your insurance over the next several years. Perry '92 Concours (us black Concours guys need to stick together!) p.s. You made the DC Sport Riders board on Yahoo this morning. Member saw you blast by and the cop come up on the shoulder and pull you over. It might be worth checking it out. The guy who saw you used to be a cop. Maybe he can give some advice. >From: "Onur Topac" >To: >Subject: VA Ticket >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:04:20 -0500 > >Hi folks, > >The trooper that pulled me over this morning was nice enough. He said he >saw me making some lane changes without signalling and that he had to go on >the shoulder to catch up to me. > >The charge is Reckless Driving and he said that I had to go to court on >this one and couldn't just pay. I have a MD license so MD MVA told me that >the points wouldn't carry over. (6 of them for 11 years!) > >I'm sure insurance will still look at this in the worst light. Any >suggestions in how to handle this? Has anyone else dealt with this charge? > >Please reply off-list for quick delivery as I'm on digest mode. > >Thanks. >Onur >Bethesda, MD >'93 Concours > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 14:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FJ3OU02128 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GA90064D685S1@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:02:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GA900F0167TLQ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:02:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GA900D9N67OVG@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:02:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:01:36 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: VA Ticket To: Perry Coleman Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AB11190.80B39F78@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Perry Coleman wrote: > At a > minimum, you go to court and request a PBJ, or Traffic school, or whatever. How's a PB&J sandwich gonna do to help him get out of his ticket? :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 14:16:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f308.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FJG0U02363 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:15:54 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:15:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: the.horkster@XXXXXX Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Ticket Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:15:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2001 19:15:54.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B0AD9E0:01C0AD84] Sheesh! What is it with people with Barney purple or Snot green Concours? I said "PBJ" not "PB&J" Y'all either can't see, or always thinking about food, or somethin' ;^) Perry p.s. The only real Concours colors are silverdammit or black. Although the '01 blue's not so bad... ;^) p.p.s. Personally, I'd prefer a PB&DP, or a PB&CP >From: Dale Horstman >To: Perry Coleman >CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: VA Ticket >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:01:36 -0500 > >Perry Coleman wrote: > > At a > > minimum, you go to court and request a PBJ, or Traffic school, or >whatever. > >How's a PB&J sandwich gonna do to help him get out of his ticket? :) > >Horkster > >-- >Mandatory second line (CM tm) > >Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider >#322 >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >'82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 14:29:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FJTDU02561 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GA900CCY7E0Z1@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:27:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GA9006017DZH1@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:27:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GA90055Q7DLDY@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:27:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:26:45 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: VA Ticket To: Perry Coleman Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AB11775.ABB21018@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Perry Coleman wrote: > > Sheesh! What is it with people with Barney purple or Snot green Concours? I > said "PBJ" not "PB&J" Y'all either can't see, or always thinking about food, > or somethin' ;^) Well, I wear glasses, and have a big stomach... :) > p.s. The only real Concours colors are silverdammit or black. Although the > '01 blue's not so bad... ;^) Agree on the '01 blue - it's sweet. And my dark green is so dark it passes for black quite easily. And it's a radar-evasive stealth color. So there! :) > p.p.s. Personally, I'd prefer a PB&DP, or a PB&CP If DP = Dill Pickle, I agree. CP??? PB&B (banana) isn't half bad, either. Elvis used to deep-fry 'em. :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 14:40:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FJe0U02762 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-119-19.s19.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.19]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14ddbH-0000W4-00 ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:39:56 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Christopher Weaver" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Going through the curve Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:44:08 -0800 Message-ID: References: <3epqergn6ob8pn5t3m7dh33ls3b6o8r66t@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2FJe2U02763 Thanks Chris.. I've already learned not watch crashing riders from soaking up good info from this email list.. and I even apply it on the street.. I saw one guy infront of me come out of a lean, hit brakes and fade towards a jersey wall.. I figured he had no where to go but to bounce back in front of me.. so I sped past him. I thought he was a good rider because he had no chicken stripes. so anyway once I passed, I looked in my mirror and he didn't hit it. Also I've already toned down my street riding. I take it easy on any curve that I can't see through.. and decline to ride the backroad twistiess (at speed)...blind curves... trees as a run off.. on coming traffic.. animals.. and possible tickets doesn't sound too appealing to me... too much risk vs little reward. I will plead the 5th on 3 lane, one way, light traffic, highways though. :) Danny 92 ex250 95 zx6r 00 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 14:41:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FJfqU02775 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:41:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-119-19.s19.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.19]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14ddd9-00011y-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:41:51 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: my track day bike Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:46:04 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2FJfqU02776 I have a 95 and a 00 zx6r. At first I was going to use the 95, then decided on the 00, now i'm thinking the 95 once again. The plastics are already off, from recent work. Figure I'll find some race compound tires for it. The thing is.. the 95 is piped (full system) and jetted with muzzy full exhaust.. and I still have the stock exhaust.. I'm wanting to switch back to stock exhaust incase I go down.. I dont' want to damage my flawless pipe... but I would think that would make the bike run too rich and bog down a lot? So I guess I have to leave the muzzy on? or maybe i could swap them out and see how it performs. if it bogs or backfires i can switch them back. Any oppinions/ideas anyone? Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 14:45:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FJjUU02938 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:43:35 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Going through the curve Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:43:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c0ad88$3df04d50$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Daniel, You may want to consider keeping the plastics on. If you do go down (which I assume is the reason you'd want to take them off), the plastics will protect the rest of the bike. It also makes the bike nice and slippery so it slides instead of digging in and flipping. Plastics are expensive, but so is everything underneath. If you can find some ratty or race plastic, that's the best bet. But, Collin did track day with 0 plastic on his GSXR. They don't require it. Ooops, I just realized it's a team pro-motion day and not the Cycle Sport. Check their web page teampromotion.com. The FAQ more than answers your question. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 14:57:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f284.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FJvHU03116 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:57:11 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:57:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Ticket Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:57:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2001 19:57:11.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F8A3FE0:01C0AD8A] Dale, Yes, Dill Pickle. CP = Chili Powder. Mmmm...good! Go easy at first... ;^) Bananas are OK, too. So is marshmallow cream or honey. I used to always carry a tube of PB and a tube of honey on backpacking trips. Perry And I'm not going anywhere near the big stomach comment. Of course, I'm not getting in the way of your hands when you're eating, either... ;^) >From: Dale Horstman [snip] > > p.p.s. Personally, I'd prefer a PB&DP, or a PB&CP > >If DP = Dill Pickle, I agree. CP??? > >PB&B (banana) isn't half bad, either. Elvis used to deep-fry 'em. :) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 15:01:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FK1rU03209 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-119-19.s19.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.19]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14ddwV-0004ui-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:01:52 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Track day electronic timing devices? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:06:04 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2FK1rU03210 A friend of mine got a 2001 R6. he's been running his mouth how he's going to be passing all other 600 riders including me... He used to ride a 99 or 00 yzf 600.. i used to ride a 95 zx6r and I always used to be in front of him... or pull away from him. He's been running his mouth and thinks his bike is the reason he was slower. The fact was another 99/00 yzf 600 was faster than my bike on top end.. so I knew it was the rider and not the bike. We have been out once with him on the R6 and he seems like he's gotten a little faster.. the bike might have given him some confidence. So anyway, since he's turned to mighty mouth, and as I watched him progress and talk about his riding, I see him say things which relate to stages I've already been through..so I think i'm more of an advanced rider. So I've decided to challenge him in a track day bet. Person with the slowest lap time has to cough up $150 (to cover track day fees).. If I lose, he's my friend, so I'd be cool in giving it to him... I was going to ride my 00 but I think i'll ride my 95 for practicality. I've got a little more guts, and hard braking experience.. I figure I will just out speed him on the straight away, Out brake him before the curve.. then slow in, fast out, following all the fundamentals in the curve... so I figure I'll have the fastest lap time. I do wonder if I should ride the 00 tho. I think when it's dry again, I'll do some riding on the 95 see how well the new brake shoes feel. the brakes seemed a little lacking before. My question is, is there a way to get some kind of electronic timing devices so we can know our actual track times? it might be close. I dont' want there to be any question of who has the fastest lap time... Oppinions/advice appreciated... Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 15:04:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FK4QU03229 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-119-19.s19.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.19]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14ddyz-0005W9-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:04:26 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:08:38 -0800 Message-ID: References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3AB01E68.2030001@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <3AB01E68.2030001@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2FK4RU03230 Good luck Roachie! Speedworks.. isn't that the place in deleware that is known for having good deals on bikes? maybe he can get us a good discount Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 15:20:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2FKK2U03554 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust240.tnt1.washington.dc.da.uu.net (HELO pavilion) (63.10.40.240) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 20:20:00 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "Onur Topac" Subject: RE: VA Ticket Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:18:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Geez, im sure not going to ride recklessly anymore. I woudl hate to go back to bicycling to work now. Somehow i dont think the police would make such a big deal about lane changes with signaling. Unless i was weaving in and out of lanes trying to beat traffic, cutting in front of cars. Somehow i think we are not hearing the whole story. If your story is truly reckless riding such as the example i listed above, then perhaps that trooper just saved your life down the line. Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph Tiger 1999 Kawasaki KE100 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 15:30:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FKUkU03711 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-119-19.s19.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.19]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14deOP-00030D-00 ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:30:42 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Jay St. Peter" Cc: Subject: Re: Going through the curve Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:34:54 -0800 Message-ID: References: <000301c0ad88$3df04d50$c7c809c0@roadrash> In-Reply-To: <000301c0ad88$3df04d50$c7c809c0@roadrash> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2FKUqU03712 Thanks Jay, that's what I was thinking.. the plastics might help protect the bike.. I do have a second set of ratty plastics.. I was also thinking of no plastics and just frame sliders.. but maybe I'll just put all plastics on.. Anyone know a good (read cheap) place to get frame sliders? A friend of mine on a 93 F2 wants some as well.. and I need to find some for my 95.. I think I could make my 00 frame sliders work, if I took the plastics off.. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 15:34:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FKYhU03746 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-119-19.s19.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.19]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14deSI-0003mE-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:34:43 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: scrap parts wanted for track day Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:38:55 -0800 Message-ID: <096rercda9o8hb47v7ep402h3pkgovcpqh@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2FKYiU03747 I'm looking for the following right side 95-97 zx6r plastic functionality important, looks not important. a cheap front upper.. 95-97 zx6r (dont' really need it but if it's cheap, it's gotta be in better condition than my current cracked up one) frame sliders.. new or used.. 95-97 zx6r 93 honda cbr 600 f2 I'm also looking for some race take off tires.. 160/60/17 rear 120/60/17 front. something that will last me one whole track day. :) If you have something. let me know, thanks Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 15:56:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2FKuvU04141 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 15106 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 12:56:50 -0800 Received: from 1Cust178.tnt15.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.38.134.178) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 12:56:50 -0800 X-Sent: 15 Mar 2001 20:56:50 GMT Message-ID: <000701c0ad93$5358cc20$b286263f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: 10-4, over and out Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:03:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 To all of my friends at DC cycles. don't be sad, but I'll be signing off the list. I'm sure that I will join again in the future, but for now, it's something that needs to be done. I've made great friends on here, and look forward to continuing those friendships. If anyone wants to reach me, you are more than welcome to do so at lgranato@XXXXXX. Ride Safe everyone! Laura From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 16:04:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FL4oU04356 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net (charon.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA30229; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:02:30 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 21:04:45 UT Subject: RE: Track day electronic timing devices? Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:03:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I hate to burst your bubble, Danny, but you may not have a reasonable way of determining who's fastest. During the only track day I was on, they had the following rules: No passing AT ALL before lunch and no passing except on the straights after lunch. You'll still be able to go plenty fast, but probably not as fast as is theoretically possible for you. There will be a lot of possible excuses (traffic, couldn't pass, got thrown out by the pace rider for breaking the rules, etc.) that will keep you from being able to conduct a fair contest. I don't really think the track day is a good place for this anyway. You or your friend might get in over your heads trying to beat each other or (worse) you could cause someone else to crash. Track days aren't race days. You could always just buy a cheap digital watch with big buttons and attach it to the left handgrip if you decide to go through with this. Have fun, though. Chris Weaver VTR, EARA#24, www.dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] [snip] So I've decided to challenge him in a track day bet. Person with the slowest lap time has to cough up $150 (to cover track day fees).. If I lose, he's my friend, so I'd be cool in giving it to him... [snip] From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 16:17:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FLHlU04649 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-119-19.s19.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.19]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14df7x-0003f4-00 ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:17:46 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Christopher Weaver" Cc: Subject: Re: Track day electronic timing devices? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:21:57 -0800 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2FLHlU04650 I was under the impression that the end of the day they might decide to let you have a little fun.. plus we figured he control riders would be way faster than both of us... so we were hoping we could sill have our laps timed. hmmmmmmmmm? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 16:21:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2FLLHU04738 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3055 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Mar 2001 21:21:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010315212116.3054.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:21:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Track day electronic timing devices? I know it doesn't quite apply but: When engaging in pecker measuring, first dig 2 graves for yourself and the bikes.. Adapted from Confucian proverb: When setting out for revenge, first dig 2 graves. Not to imply you or he will necessarily wad yourselves or your bikes but IMO you're both being silly. Particularly so if track experience isn't something either of you have much of, and further neither have gone to a racing school of some type. If you're just out there for the fun of it then you're not likely to push much beyond your capabilities. But if it's a matter of ego and bragging rights, I would not be surprised if one of you goes too far. Not to mention, a track day situation brings other riders into the mix. If you or him screw up you may very well take somebody else out who has no part in your little competition. If you want to make something of it, I think it would be best reserved for when you can actually be in a suitable venue (clear track etc). Or you can look instead at modifying the bet. Make the risks lower: eg. dinner/beers on the looser. Or make the condition on who has the best AVERAGE lap time, or most improvement etc. And furthermore, all times should be held in the strictest of confidence until the day is over. That why you'll help preclude the "he ran a 1:38, and I did a 1:39.7. I gotta beat him on the next round" sort of escalating vicious circle. Kinda like MAD (mutually assured destruction). -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 16:44:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FLirU05092 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GA9002MTDQ92S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:44:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GA900D01DQ434@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:44:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GA900B6GDPULS@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:44:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:43:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Track day electronic timing devices? To: Matthew Patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AB1378D.7AAB5FCE@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010315212116.3054.qmail@theglobe.com> Matthew Patton wrote: > Not to imply you or he will necessarily wad yourselves or your bikes but IMO > you're both being silly. I thought the original post was bait, I deleted it. I couldn't believe whoever posted that was actually serious. "My friend was running his mouth, so I dared him to a bet that could kill one or both of us..." Some friend. Whatever. Hork -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 17:12:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FMCbU05569 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27837; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:03:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB13CA0.FBDBBCC5@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:05:21 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: "D.C.Cycles-L" , Eric D Hess Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3AB01E68.2030001@radix.net> <009b01c0ad70$618c4920$73f7143f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura Granato wrote: > > > > > in scenic Delaware (Yes, > > > Delaware). > > > > Delaware is scenic ? > > Actually, yes, it's such a beautiful state. Who would have known? It's > definitely different than the NOVA area, less hectic, quieter, land for > miles and miles with no houses! I can't wait! AND, you can even carry > concealed there! woohooo! Laura, I'd like to wish you two the best of luck with the new move. If you happen to meet any Suzuki riders over in DE, try to rustle up us a volunteer, to be the Delaware State Coordinator for the Suzuki Owners Club USA. ;) Steve Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 18:43:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FNhtU07118 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2FNnmV03955; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:49:48 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track day electronic timing devices? Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:49:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031518494801.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A) Track days are not race days. The track is going to be pretty crowded, and passing is not allowed except on the straights... and that's done for a reason - you're not the only two yahoos who've shown up for a track day with grudges to settle :) B) Tell your friend to take the MARRC school with you, get your licenses, then go racing. That's the environment in which to be competative. C) The difference between the bikes is a moot point. I'd be willing to bet I can kick both your asses around Summit Point on my 400 :) Seriously though... if you dick around with your bud on a track full of non-racers/street riders, you will be black flagged, and you will be asked to leave. Having been a control rider, I can tell you that for a fact - I'd definatly pull you in if I saw it happening. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 18:58:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2FNw3U07381 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p52.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.52]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12838 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:57:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB15755.6060204@radix.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:59:17 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3AB01E68.2030001@radix.net> <009b01c0ad70$618c4920$73f7143f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura Granato retorted: >>> in scenic Delaware (Yes, >>> Delaware). ** WARNING, WARNING ** OT banter enclosed - read no further if that sorta thing bothers you ! >> Delaware is scenic ? > > Actually, yes, it's such a beautiful state. Who would have known? Certainly not I, having spent time on many bases, forts & camps there... & I won't even discuss that ugly 'hitting the cop' incident in Bethany... that was a long morning (over a dozen witnesses, he provoked me) > It's > definitely different than the NOVA area, less hectic, quieter, land for > miles and miles with no houses! I hear the sheep run when they see humans too... what's that about ? > I can't wait! AND, you can even carry > concealed there! woohooo! Hmmm... a quick perusal of www.packing.org shows that De. is a MIGHT issue state with no reciprocity agreements, requiring 5 letters of character reference & a justification for need to carry... check out packing.org before getting busted ... >> >> was there any clubbing or photographs of a comprimising content ? > > > Absolutely not! :-) I am going on my own free will. Happily! What's the employment situation like up there ? My wife knows a woman that commutes Wilmington to Ashburn... it can't be that depressed. ... >>> only about 100 miles away anyway. Basically, you just can't get rid of >> us THAT easily :) 100 ? That's a warm up lap ! -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 19:14:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2G0ExU07711 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-119-19.s19.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.19]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14dhtS-0002Jo-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:14:58 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track day electronic timing devices? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:19:09 -0800 Message-ID: <9girerk13drgmg4gfq2vgln5ner12noeho@4ax.com> References: <01031518494801.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> In-Reply-To: <01031518494801.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2G0F1U07712 I have to clear up things... 1> I know it's a track day not a race day, I thought that was fairly obvious in what i wrote 2> I know 90+N % of the day will be just lapping in order (with passing on the straight) 3> we're not morrons.. our first priority is to NOT crash.. our second priority is to have fun, expand our limits and have the best laptime between us two. he's got a pretty, new R6, he's not about to wreck it.. this guy heads home 6 hours before it's going to rain... or if he sees 2 clouds in the sky. 4> 3 of our racer friends are trying to be control riders 5> we heard it's a possibility to race at the end of the day 6> we can still get lap times even though we're behind a faster control rider.. so I would think the bet would be legitimate 7> obviously we are going to get to know the track and our limits plenty early on with the constant controlled lapping.. who said we were just going to hop on the track and ride like a coupla jerks? 8> we are racing our best times.. not each other.. hence I'm trying to find out about the timing devices. Sheesh some of you guys make me not want to go to a track day. I didn't want to go because it costs $135.. and since my friend had a mighty mouth.. I saw a perfect oppertunity to solve both problems. I do appreciate the advice portions though. Thank you. Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 19:29:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2G0TmU07970 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010316002946.UGOX18734.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:29:46 -0800 Message-ID: <009201c0adab$9fc9f6c0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles" References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3AB01E68.2030001@radix.net> <009b01c0ad70$618c4920$73f7143f@oemcomputer> <3AB15755.6060204@radix.net> Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:56:57 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Actually, since MBNA moved in and took over like a fungus, employment is booming from Dover to Wilmington. That is if you have a skill that a huge financial institution can use. Other wise you can head south of Dover and work on a Perdue chicken farm. For such a small state, there's a HUGE difference between the northern half of the state and the south. And yes, Delaware is in fact scenic. You just have to find the farm roads and wetland preserves, not to mention the state park beaches which are devoid of tourists. Besides... no sales tax. -James From: "Dave Yates" > > What's the employment situation like up there ? My wife knows a woman > that commutes Wilmington to Ashburn... it can't be that depressed. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 19:44:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13012.mail.yahoo.com (web13012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2G0iTU08197 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:44:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010316004428.21745.qmail@web13012.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.90.31.129] by web13012.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:44:28 PST Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:44:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: MotorCrocks To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Got this from a friend... cute... http://www.send4fun.com/motorcrocks.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 19:56:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2G0ugU08361 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-30.s30.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.30] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14diXp-0000EO-00 ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:56:41 -0500 Message-ID: <00be01c0adb4$4d441580$1e6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , , Subject: slicks in ss or d-super? Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:59:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Which race organization allows slicks to be run in the "stock" class? WERA or CCS? I remember with one organization I had to change from slicks to DOT's but not the other? Thanks in advance.... Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 21:38:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2G2cIU10115 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-20.patriot.net [209.249.181.20]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2G2cA001702; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:38:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB17B43.5BDAE2B3@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:32:35 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Reazor CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3AB01E68.2030001@radix.net> <009b01c0ad70$618c4920$73f7143f@oemcomputer> <3AB15755.6060204@radix.net> <009201c0adab$9fc9f6c0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Reazor wrote: > Actually, since MBNA moved in and took over like a fungus, employment is > booming from Dover to Wilmington. That is if you have a skill that a huge > financial institution can use. Other wise you can head south of Dover and > work on a Perdue chicken farm. For such a small state, there's a HUGE > difference between the northern half of the state and the south. > > And yes, Delaware is in fact scenic. You just have to find the farm > roads and wetland preserves, not to mention the state park beaches which are > devoid of tourists. Besides... no sales tax. > Ah, yes, Lower, Slower Delaware. I taught school in a border town many moons ago (MD/DE), and slower ain't no lie. But I could take most of the roll call by saying three names and counting the hands held up. Not much shade under a few of those family trees, if you catch my drift. Yep, low taxes, no helmet law, and the age of consent is 12. (See above on shadeless family trees) 12 is six months younger than that fictional minx Lolita was when she jumped Humpert. Hey, if they had done the deed in DE maybe the book wouldn't have been banned! Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 22:44:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp4vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2G3iwU11143 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA11854999; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:53:59 GMT Message-ID: <001d01c0adcb$dab78340$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: , "DC Cycles" References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:47:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 So, who's up for a going away party for our Brian & Laura? Tom & I haven't had a shindig in awhile. : ) When are you guys due to leave? Perhaps a big DC Cycles going away party in in June/July?? : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: The new Roach... sorta :) > > No, I'm not turning over a new leaf or anything... I'll still be the same > sarcastic, bitter loudmouth I've always been, but I just wanted to drop a > line to the list to make a smal announcement that I'm pretty happy about. > > On Monday, I signed a contract to have a house built in scenic Delaware (Yes, > Delaware). I'm giving up being a computer geek and am going to work on bikes > for a living, working for SpeedWerks Sport Bike Services, in Dover, DE. > > Also joining me in this three hour cruise is one Miss Laura. And don't blame > me for taking her away! I didn't even have to throw her in the trunk or > anything to get her to go :) > > We'll still be on the lists, and probably even make some of the group rides > when we can... the house is going to take 4 - 5 months to be built, and it's > only about 100 miles away anyway. Basically, you just can't get rid of us > THAT easily :) > > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 15 23:04:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f16.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2G44JU11459 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:04:12 -0800 Received: from 63.26.194.94 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:04:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.26.194.94] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:04:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2001 04:04:12.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[28F99F50:01C0ADCE] With a live band maybe? ;-) www.conflictedinterest.com Best of luck to you both, Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 >So, who's up for a going away party for our Brian & Laura? >Tom & I haven't had a shindig in awhile. : ) >When are you guys due to leave? Perhaps a big DC Cycles going away party >in >in June/July?? : ) > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Roach" >To: "DC Cycles" >Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:21 PM >Subject: The new Roach... sorta :) > > > > > > No, I'm not turning over a new leaf or anything... I'll still be the >same > > sarcastic, bitter loudmouth I've always been, but I just wanted to drop >a > > line to the list to make a smal announcement that I'm pretty happy >about. > > > > On Monday, I signed a contract to have a house built in scenic Delaware >(Yes, > > Delaware). I'm giving up being a computer geek and am going to work on >bikes > > for a living, working for SpeedWerks Sport Bike Services, in Dover, DE. > > > > Also joining me in this three hour cruise is one Miss Laura. And don't >blame > > me for taking her away! I didn't even have to throw her in the trunk or > > anything to get her to go :) > > > > We'll still be on the lists, and probably even make some of the group >rides > > when we can... the house is going to take 4 - 5 months to be built, and >it's > > only about 100 miles away anyway. Basically, you just can't get rid of >us > > THAT easily :) > > > > > > - Roach > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 00:15:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2G5FQU12612 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.230]) by smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GA9YL900.GD8 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:15:09 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Track day electronic timing devices? Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:14:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <01031518494801.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Brian, do you really think you will need to bring out the 400 to beat them? Save your big guns :-) I promise to catch them in the pebble pool picking their bikes up on video :-) Gary C) The difference between the bikes is a moot point. I'd be willing to bet I can kick both your asses around Summit Point on my 400 :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 01:27:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2G6R3U13694 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-119-19.s19.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.19]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14dnhW-0007L8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:27:02 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: change of plans.. we're gonna take the racing class Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:31:11 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2G6R7U13695 My buddy and I decided to take the racing class.. instead of the track day. we can run a mock race there.. I'm assuming the class is in september? From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 04:23:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2G9NXU17298 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2G9TTV04585; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:29:29 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" , James Reazor Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:29:29 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: DC Cycles References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <009201c0adab$9fc9f6c0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> <3AB17B43.5BDAE2B3@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3AB17B43.5BDAE2B3@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031604292905.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, William J. Huson wrote: > Yep, low taxes, no helmet law [snip] Actually, DE has one of the most amusing helmet laws I've seen to date. You don't have to wear a helmet in DE... you just have to have one with you on the bike. No Joke. What's worse is seeing these nimrods riding around with the helmet bungied to the back seat instead of on their head. I think this falls under the "You can lead a horse to water..." catagory. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 04:29:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2G9TmU17395 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2G9ZjV04591; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:35:45 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: change of plans.. we're gonna take the racing class Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:35:45 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031604354506.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > My buddy and I decided to take the racing class.. instead of the track > day. > > we can run a mock race there.. > > I'm assuming the class is in september? Check www.marrc.org - there are 4 race schools this year. WERA also has a race school, I'm not sure if it's at all events or not - wera.com should have that info. I'm sorry if I sounded so harsh, but I've seen people do REALLY stupid things on track days and end up hurting themselves and/or others. Track days are a great way to get out on the track, and become a better rider. But trying to set "fast laps" at them usually isn't a good idea (unless it's a licensed racer only day, which is more like a race-day practice session) Even if you don't want to race, getting your license will allow you to take part in the aforementioned racer-only track days not only at Summit but at other tracks as well. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 07:37:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GCbjU20305 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-62.patriot.net [209.249.180.62]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2GCbf030221; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:37:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB207C4.599DC18A@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:32:04 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: James Reazor , DC Cycles Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <009201c0adab$9fc9f6c0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> <3AB17B43.5BDAE2B3@patriot.net> <01031604292905.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, William J. Huson wrote: > > > Yep, low taxes, no helmet law [snip] > > Actually, DE has one of the most amusing helmet laws I've seen to date. > > You don't have to wear a helmet in DE... you just have to have one with you > on the bike. No Joke. What's worse is seeing these nimrods riding around with > the helmet bungied to the back seat instead of on their head. I think this > falls under the "You can lead a horse to water..." catagory. And don't forget, aforementioned unworn helmet MUST have 4 square inchs of reflective material attached thereto. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 07:55:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GCtPU20547 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max1h-78.his.com [216.32.85.78]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA15538 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:55:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010316075528.0115b7b0@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:55:31 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: MARRC RRS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:31 AM 3/16/99 -0800, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > >I'm assuming the class is in september? You can get all the info at: http://marrc.nova.org/html_docs/rrs.html 2001 RRS Schedule May 12 - Registration Closed - Class Now Full July 7 September 8 October 13 You can also e-mail me if you don't have access to the above web URL. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 09:43:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from xcgca811.corp.logicon.com (xcgca811.corp.logicon.com [137.51.212.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2GEhfU22188 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 137.51.212.181 by xcgca811.corp.logicon.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:43:25 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: by xcgca811.corp.logicon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:43:25 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Track Day Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:43:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Been lurking on this list for several months and finally saw something I'd like to ask about. What is the track day at Summit all about? I'm a recreational rider and daily commuter on my VFR with 30 yrs riding experience. Never been on a track but really enjoy riding the twisties (live 20 miles from Sperryville/RT 211). Any kind of prior experience required to attend? Are leathers required? (I ride with a two-piece TourMaster suite.) Any mods have to made to my bike? How much time would I get on the track? What's the cost? If there is a web site to answer my questions, that would be just as good. TIA. Steve Meredith Warrenton 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 09:44:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GEiQU22198 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010316144421.LJRN18734.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:44:21 -0800 Message-ID: <00e201c0ae21$d3120060$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles" References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <009201c0adab$9fc9f6c0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> <3AB17B43.5BDAE2B3@patriot.net> <01031604292905.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:03:05 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 But they're the smart ones. Then you've got the guys with their lids dangling from the helmet lock or unsecured on a sissy bar. It seems to me that the law is more of an added hazard then anything else. -James > > You don't have to wear a helmet in DE... you just have to have one with you > on the bike. No Joke. What's worse is seeing these nimrods riding around with > the helmet bungied to the back seat instead of on their head. I think this > falls under the "You can lead a horse to water..." catagory. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 10:17:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2GFH8U22752 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:19:28 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:15:55 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: RE: Track Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2GFHAU22753 Steve, Check out NESBA.com They are a track day organization and have a bunch of events this year. They are also sponsoring a free Track day to try it out. One of the reasons I went with them is they only require minimum bike prep for the beginner and intermediate classes. (remove mirrors and tape plastic) Your two piece should be ok as long as it zips together. Average cost is $150 per day. I am not sure about actual track time, something like a 20 minute session per each hour. Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR 99 R6 Track day bike George M Cole Technology Consultant www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 >>> "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" 03/16/01 09:43AM >>> Been lurking on this list for several months and finally saw something I'd like to ask about. What is the track day at Summit all about? I'm a recreational rider and daily commuter on my VFR with 30 yrs riding experience. Never been on a track but really enjoy riding the twisties (live 20 miles from Sperryville/RT 211). Any kind of prior experience required to attend? Are leathers required? (I ride with a two-piece TourMaster suite.) Any mods have to made to my bike? How much time would I get on the track? What's the cost? If there is a web site to answer my questions, that would be just as good. TIA. Steve Meredith Warrenton 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 10:18:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from loki.vitalspring.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [66.2.186.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GFIDU22763 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net (charon.vitalspring.com [66.2.186.195]) by loki.vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA02478; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:15:45 -0500 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Meredith, Steve \(Contr\)" , Received: from no.name.available by 66-2-186-195.customer.algx.net via smtpd (for vitalspring.com [66.2.186.213]) with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 15:18:05 UT Subject: RE: Track Day Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:16:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Despite my limited experience, I'll try to answer your questions. Anyone can come and ride at one of the Summit Point track days that are sponsored by various organizations. Some are sportbike clubs, some are dealerships. Cycle Sport usually sponsors one or two, Loudoun Motorsports sometimes sponsors one, sometimes other dealers sponsor one. The requirements are usually: safety-wire your drain plug*, replace your coolant with water (unless air-cooled obviously), wear head-to-toe protection (Synthetics like TourMaster are usually okay), bike in safe-to-ride condition (no deathtraps), tape up lights and mirrors. That's about it as I recall. Try contacting Cycle Sport or Loudoun Motorsports for more info. Cheers, Chris Weaver VTR, EARA#24, www.dccycles.com * This involves drilling a tiny hole in the drain plug bolt, running small-guage wire through it, twisting the ends of wires together, and attaching the wire to some other part of the bike (another bolt, the frame, etc.) in a way that the wire prevents the bolt from unscrewing. On my VTR there is a small fin protruding from the engine block near the drain bolt that I drilled through for this purpose. Ask again on the list if you need a better description or just take your bike to a dealer. -----Original Message----- From: Meredith, Steve (Contr) [mailto:SMeredith@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:43 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Track Day Been lurking on this list for several months and finally saw something I'd like to ask about. What is the track day at Summit all about? I'm a recreational rider and daily commuter on my VFR with 30 yrs riding experience. Never been on a track but really enjoy riding the twisties (live 20 miles from Sperryville/RT 211). Any kind of prior experience required to attend? Are leathers required? (I ride with a two-piece TourMaster suite.) Any mods have to made to my bike? How much time would I get on the track? What's the cost? If there is a web site to answer my questions, that would be just as good. TIA. Steve Meredith Warrenton 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 10:27:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GFRwU22931 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA923864; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:35:44 GMT Message-ID: <001001c0ae2e$14b97140$0300a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: "Razz Man" , References: Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:30:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 That would be fun, but I just don't think we have the room for it. I guess you haven't seen our house yet, eh? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Razz Man" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:04 PM Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) > > With a live band maybe? ;-) > www.conflictedinterest.com > > Best of luck to you both, > > Razz > '99 ZX9R > '89 LTD454 > '86 LTD454 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 10:31:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f134.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.134]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GFVoU23010 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:31:44 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:31:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:31:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2001 15:31:44.0493 (UTC) FILETIME=[34DBE9D0:01C0AE2E] I'm up for a going away party, but.... Hell.....when's the housewarming?!?! Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 11:23:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GGNmU23810 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id LAA07925 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:24:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: neat page! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/motorcycle/00-NHT-212-motorcycle/toc.html Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 11:49:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GGnfU24232 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.4f.8d5f82f (17527) for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:48:25 -0500 (EST) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4f.8d5f82f.27e39dd8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:48:24 EST Subject: Re: change of plans.. we're gonna take the racing class To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4f.8d5f82f.27e39dd8_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 --part1_4f.8d5f82f.27e39dd8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want track time this is NOT the way to go. I took the class two years ago and track time was about 45 minutes of the day. One sighting lap, a few practice starts, then the mock race (ours was red flagged 4 laps in because of a few crashes). The rest of the time was classroom stuff. If your only desire is to ride with no intention of racing during the season, just take the track day. Besides, the race school requires your bike to be FULLY race prepped...track days will let you get away with a few safety wires and taped up lights. Just my $0.02 --part1_4f.8d5f82f.27e39dd8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want track time this is NOT the way to go.  I took the class two years
ago and track time was about 45 minutes of the day.  One sighting lap, a few
practice starts, then the mock race (ours was red flagged 4 laps in because
of a few crashes).  The rest of the time was classroom stuff.  If your only
desire is to ride with no intention of racing during the season, just take
the track day.  Besides, the race school requires your bike to be FULLY race
prepped...track days will let you get away with a few safety wires and taped
up lights.  
Just my $0.02 --part1_4f.8d5f82f.27e39dd8_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 12:01:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GH1BU24492 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2GH78V05006; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:07:09 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Track Day Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:07:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031612070807.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Meredith, Steve (Contr) wrote: > Been lurking on this list for several months and finally saw something I'd > like to ask about. What is the track day at Summit all about? Except for the days put on by MARRC and Roger Lyle (of MARRC), anyone can come out and experience riding on a racetrack. Cost is usually between $120 and $150, and you tend to get quite a bit of track time, usually 6 or 7 sessions of 15-20 minutes. This may not sound like a lot... but it is :). I think one of the DC_Cycles folks hit about 140 miles on their trip odometer at the last CycleSport day. Saftey-wiring the oil drain plug is required, but that takes all of 30 minutes and you prob needed to change your oil anyway :) Many list members who have some racing experience are usually willing to help/do this for you. If you've never been out on a track but enjoy the twisties as you say, you'd probably LOVE a track day. Go as fast as you feel comfortable (within reason of course, there are some rules about passing to ensure rider safety) and not have to worry about volvos, mini-vans, gravel, oil slicks, etc. The only caveat is that you may become hooked :) Someone mentioned NESBA (North East Sport Bike Assoc.). The downside to them at Summit Point is that they're a bit more expensive and they don't run the main road course. NESBA runs the smaller Jefferson "test" track, which is still cool, but not as much fun as the full race track IMHO. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 12:15:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GHFGU24739 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id i.76.89b8262 (15766); Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from web34.aolmail.aol.com (web34.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.10]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:12:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:12:52 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <76.89b8262.27e3a391@aol.com> Yep. I could handle a ride up to Delaware for a house warming party. Well...Roach, LAG, when is it? ;-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:41:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Rob Keiser" writes: << I'm up for a going away party, but.... Hell.....when's the housewarming?!?! Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 13:02:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GI26U25491 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id k.ea.12c1c2d6 (15902); Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:06:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:06:14 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Sounds like fun. I'm up for it. However, I'm gonna be outta town on July 5-9. Any other days are good for me. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:47:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Jeannette_Zell" writes: << So, who's up for a going away party for our Brian & Laura? Tom & I haven't had a shindig in awhile. : ) When are you guys due to leave? Perhaps a big DC Cycles going away party in in June/July?? : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: The new Roach... sorta :) > > No, I'm not turning over a new leaf or anything... I'll still be the same > sarcastic, bitter loudmouth I've always been, but I just wanted to drop a > line to the list to make a smal announcement that I'm pretty happy about. > > On Monday, I signed a contract to have a house built in scenic Delaware (Yes, > Delaware). I'm giving up being a computer geek and am going to work on bikes > for a living, working for SpeedWerks Sport Bike Services, in Dover, DE. > > Also joining me in this three hour cruise is one Miss Laura. And don't blame > me for taking her away! I didn't even have to throw her in the trunk or > anything to get her to go :) > > We'll still be on the lists, and probably even make some of the group rides > when we can... the house is going to take 4 - 5 months to be built, and it's > only about 100 miles away anyway. Basically, you just can't get rid of us > THAT easily :) > > > - Roach > >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 14:23:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2GJNHU26801 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:25:46 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:22:17 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: Re: Track Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2GJNLU26802 Roach They actually do the full course 2 or 3 times a year too, so that's's when I will be going. Also lots of events at the yet paved Raush Creek course. And as mentioned before they don't require any safety wiring for the beginner and intermediate classes or Water Wetter either. I am safety wiring everything any ways since I hope to move up to the advanced class eventually. Cheers, George Cole >>> Brian Roach Wrote SNIP - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 15:34:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2GKYXU27968 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21834 invoked by uid 1001); 16 Mar 2001 20:34:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010316203428.21833.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:34:27 -0500 Subject: Alternative source for MC consumables Haven't done the round of Pepboys or AutoZone yet but TrakAuto is moving into the motorcycle parts business. Last year they started by carrying Yasua batteries. This year they are carrying oil filters (FRAM) and will stock them. They are projected to arrive on shelves about the end of this month. But in the meantime you can order them. My cb750 takes the PH6017A and the Triumph takes a CH6012. $7 each. They don't carry NGK spark plugs yet but they are looking into Nippon Denso which they do carry but didn't have on hand. A NGK DPR8EA-9 maps to a Champion CHA810 ($3), AC Delco R121XLS ($?), or Bosch XR2CS ($?). Has anyone looked at using 'truck' oil in MC's? It's 15W40 or 20W50 rated SF/SG. Of course, there's always Mobil 1 15-50 full synth. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 15:50:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2GKojU28287 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28980 invoked by uid 1001); 16 Mar 2001 20:50:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010316205044.28979.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:50:43 -0500 Subject: scenic way back from Annapolis? IS there an interesting way back from Annapolis to Alexandria, VA? Blasting away on US50 is fine and good but it seems a waste to just skip all that intermediary terrain if there is a decent route back. Any recommendations? -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 16:07:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GL7JU28583 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GAB00H446K9UY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:04:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GAB00C016JQ0V@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:04:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GAB008IJ6JNGE@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:04:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:03:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Alternative source for MC consumables To: Matthew Patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AB27FBE.69B7B353@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010316203428.21833.qmail@theglobe.com> Matthew Patton wrote: > > Haven't done the round of Pepboys or AutoZone yet but TrakAuto is moving into the motorcycle parts business. Last year they started by carrying Yasua batteries. This year they are carrying oil filters (FRAM) and will stock them. They are projected to arrive on shelves about the end of this month. But in the meantime you can order them. > > My cb750 takes the PH6017A and the Triumph takes a CH6012. $7 each. FWIW Pep Boys carries the Purolator ML16812 oil filter for under $4. It cross-refs to CH6012 on the box, and when you open the box, it has CH6012 stamped on the filter. Same assembly line, maybe? It also includes two o-rings (large and small) for free. The Connie uses these... They've got other moto filters there, too. > Has anyone looked at using 'truck' oil in MC's? It's 15W40 or 20W50 > rated SF/SG. Of course, there's always Mobil 1 15-50 full synth. It's been awhile since we talked oil here, I have been ridiculously happy with Valvoline Dura Blend (semi-synth) 10w40 and/or 20w50 on the bikes. $2.12 a quart last I checked. When I used Mobil 1 the shifting would start to get notchy after about 5,000 miles. I've got almost 10,000 on this current oil change (ok, so I stretch the stock 6,000 mile interval a bit) and things still feel pretty good. Mobil 1 was great for super-duper cold weather starting, but I like the Valvoline stuff better for everything else. Horkster (abusing my bikes so that you don't have to) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 16:13:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GLDmU28660 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-4.patriot.net [209.249.181.4]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2GLDi026945; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:13:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB280B7.C8D3765C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:08:07 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Alternative source for MC consumables References: <20010316203428.21833.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is news? When I wuz piloting UJMs back in the `70s & `80s I got my plugs and oil at local car parts shops. NGK or ND plugs were available, and Castrol 10/40 in the oil hopper. Yausa batterys were also available. Had a Kawi triple I fed Stihl chain saw oil so I could dial down the feed to get rid of the usual 2-stroke smoke. Bill Matthew Patton wrote: > Haven't done the round of Pepboys or AutoZone yet but TrakAuto is moving into the motorcycle parts business. Last year they started by carrying Yasua batteries. This year they are carrying oil filters (FRAM) and will stock them. They are projected to arrive on shelves about the end of this month. But in the meantime you can order them. > > My cb750 takes the PH6017A and the Triumph takes a CH6012. $7 each. > > They don't carry NGK spark plugs yet but they are looking into Nippon Denso which they do carry but didn't have on hand. A NGK DPR8EA-9 maps to a Champion CHA810 ($3), AC Delco R121XLS ($?), or Bosch XR2CS ($?). > > Has anyone looked at using 'truck' oil in MC's? It's 15W40 or 20W50 rated SF/SG. Of course, there's always Mobil 1 15-50 full synth. > -- > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 16:18:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GLIYU28749 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-49-214.s468.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.49.214] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14e1cH-0005ca-00 ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01c0ae5e$bf07eb60$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Matthew Patton" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20010316205044.28979.qmail@theglobe.com> Subject: Re: scenic way back from Annapolis? Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:18:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Matt here's the "back" way I take from Annapolis. Make MD2 south toward Prince Frederick. You'll come to a roundabout (traffic circle). Go straight (180 degrees around) onto MD 408??. Anyway this road takes you to MD4 (PA Ave.) From 4 you can reach the Beltway or the Suitland Pkwy that I use to come into the city. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Patton > IS there an interesting way back from Annapolis to Alexandria, VA? From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 16:28:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GLS7U28938 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2GLY3V05710; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:34:03 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman , Matthew Patton Subject: Re: Alternative source for MC consumables Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:34:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20010316203428.21833.qmail@theglobe.com> <3AB27FBE.69B7B353@home.com> In-Reply-To: <3AB27FBE.69B7B353@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103161634030D.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I *knew* it was about time for an oil thread! The main difference between a motorcycle and a car is that your transmission gears (and clutch, unless you have a dry one) are lubricated by the same oil that circulates your engine. In theory, oils produced specifically for motorcycles are better on the 'ol tranny. I run Mobil 1 synthetic (not the motorcycle one, which is way expensive) in my race bike... no problems. Of course, the oil is also changed every 200 miles or so :) The last time I changed the oil in my Duc I used... uh ... something from the motorcycle shop, LOL. It's either Castrol or that other one CycleSport sells, 10w50 for my air-cooled lump that doesn't get ridden in the winter. - Roach On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > It's been awhile since we talked oil here, I have been ridiculously > happy with Valvoline Dura Blend (semi-synth) 10w40 and/or 20w50 on > the bikes. $2.12 a quart last I checked. When I used Mobil 1 the > shifting would start to get notchy after about 5,000 miles. I've got > almost 10,000 on this current oil change (ok, so I stretch the stock > 6,000 mile interval a bit) and things still feel pretty good. > > Mobil 1 was great for super-duper cold weather starting, but I > like the Valvoline stuff better for everything else. > > Horkster (abusing my bikes so that you don't have to) -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 17:31:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2GMVEU29947 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010316223110.WQRA18734.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:31:10 -0800 Message-ID: <011c01c0ae62$7057bc80$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <20010316203428.21833.qmail@theglobe.com> <3AB27FBE.69B7B353@home.com> Subject: Re: Alternative source for MC consumables Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:45:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 The oil of choice on the SV list seems to be the non-moto specific Mobil 1 15/50 synth. There are a couple guys on the list with 15-20,000 miles on the stuff with no clutch or tranny problems. I'd wager that they change it a bit more often then Dale does, I think the owners manual for the SV recommends an oil change every 3500 miles. I used dino-juice for my first 2 oil changes but will be switching to the Mobil 1 next time. > It's been awhile since we talked oil here, I have been ridiculously > happy with Valvoline Dura Blend (semi-synth) 10w40 and/or 20w50 on > the bikes. $2.12 a quart last I checked. When I used Mobil 1 the > shifting would start to get notchy after about 5,000 miles. I've got > almost 10,000 on this current oil change (ok, so I stretch the stock > 6,000 mile interval a bit) and things still feel pretty good. > > Mobil 1 was great for super-duper cold weather starting, but I > like the Valvoline stuff better for everything else. > > Horkster (abusing my bikes so that you don't have to) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 21:35:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f239.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.239]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2H2ZEU03867 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:35:04 -0800 Received: from 64.26.73.44 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:35:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.26.73.44] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: COG Ride Sunday! Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:35:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2001 02:35:04.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF7C7790:01C0AE8A] March 18 - Crab Cakes V - Annapolis, MD Meet at Denny's Restaurant on Rt. 50 near the Bay Bridge between 9:00 - 9:30 a.m. The ride route is still being developed but will eventually end up at the Suicide Bridge Restaurant whose menu prominently features CRAB CAKES. Denny's is on Rt. 50 east - Exit 29B. This is the next to last exit just before you cross the Bay Bridge going east. Once off of Rt. 50, turn right on East College Parkway, which becomes the service road running along the north side of Rt. 50. Contact: Clyde Watson cswatson@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 22:30:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2H3UrU04956 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-92-241.s622.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.92.241] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14e7QW-0007m7-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:30:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c0ae92$a1c6ea40$f15c2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: MotorCrocks..vs..Squids Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:30:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:44:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: MotorCrocks To: DC-Cycles Got this from a friend... cute... http://www.send4fun.com/motorcrocks.htm ---------------------------------------------------------- That was great Louis. It would've been even greater to see a buncha squids pass those crocks!!!! heheheh T From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 22:37:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2H3bjU05071 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-92-241.s622.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.92.241] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14e7X9-0002Ym-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:37:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c0ae93$96d2d940$f15c2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: The Old man on the flat land Roach Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:37:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:47:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 So, who's up for a going away party for our Brian & Laura? Tom & I haven't had a shindig in awhile. : ) When are you guys due to leave? Perhaps a big DC Cycles going away party in in June/July?? : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm up for it!! Not like I know Brian or Laura that well personally, but I've been enjoying their love relationship online (does that make Glenn gay).... Host it! It's time they go away! heheheheheh. Butt go for it a little earlier and, like I always did, INSIST that everyone show up on a motorcycle. No whiners! Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 22:45:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2H3juU05243 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-92-241.s622.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.92.241] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14e7f9-0004eS-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:45:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c0ae94$be410960$f15c2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Track Day Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:45:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Christopher Weaver" Despite my limited experience, I'll try to answer your questions. Anyone can come and ride at one of the Summit Point track days that are sponsored by various organizations. Some are sportbike clubs, some are dealerships. Cycle Sport usually sponsors one or two, Loudoun Motorsports sometimes sponsors one, sometimes other dealers sponsor one. The requirements are usually: safety-wire your drain plug*, replace your coolant with water (unless air-cooled obviously), wear head-to-toe protection (Synthetics like TourMaster are usually okay), bike in safe-to-ride condition (no deathtraps), tape up lights and mirrors. That's about it as I recall. Try contacting Cycle Sport or Loudoun Motorsports for more info. Cheers, Chris Weaver VTR, EARA#24, www.dccycles.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- There is also a personal safety requirement....leather. Lack of leather means doubling on a pair of jeans, but from a MOFO perspective, dual jeans don't cut it. Dress to die! Todd (Springfield) Hypo-Crit From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 16 22:47:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2H3lsU05262 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-92-241.s622.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.92.241] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14e7h3-0004vH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c0ae95$04610080$f15c2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:47:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jeannette_Zell" To: "Razz Man" , Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:30:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 That would be fun, but I just don't think we have the room for it. I guess you haven't seen our house yet, eh? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Razz Man" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:04 PM Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) > > With a live band maybe? ;-) > www.conflictedinterest.com > > Best of luck to you both, > > Razz Oh you could do it, if you move the leaky boat out to the streeet. Heheheh :-) From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 17 00:52:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2H5qLU07489 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010317055209.GHSX18734.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a>; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:52:09 -0800 Message-ID: <014201c0ae9f$47e077a0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: , References: Subject: Re: COG Ride Sunday! Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:01:08 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Ya know, it's real tough t pass up a good crab cake. A few questions though, what's "COG" is this a make or model specific ride? What kind of pace is expected? Any one else from the list going? -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:35 PM Subject: COG Ride Sunday! > March 18 - Crab Cakes V - Annapolis, MD Meet at Denny's Restaurant on Rt. 50 > near the Bay Bridge between 9:00 - 9:30 a.m. The ride route is still being > developed but will eventually end up at the Suicide Bridge Restaurant whose > menu prominently features CRAB CAKES. Denny's is on Rt. 50 east - Exit 29B. > This is the next to last exit just before you cross the Bay Bridge going > east. Once off of Rt. 50, turn right on East College Parkway, which becomes > the service road running along the north side of Rt. 50. > Contact: Clyde Watson cswatson@XXXXXX > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 17 01:39:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2H6dUU08155 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-33-201.s201.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.201]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14eAN6-0005C8-00 ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:39:29 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: change of plans.. we're gonna take the racing class Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:43:37 -0800 Message-ID: References: <4f.8d5f82f.27e39dd8@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4f.8d5f82f.27e39dd8@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2H6dWU08156 Thanks for the input... maybe we will buy race bikes.. we kicked the idea around once.. I imagined the race school would be a lot of classroom time about rules of the track and flags.. but it thought maybe we would get to lap the course 10 times.. then have a mock race.. that should be plenty of lapping to get us used to the curves.. does that sound right? I don't know how many laps 45 min of riding time equates to? 45 min of riding the track sounds like penty of time to get familiar with it. Also hell, even if we had no chance to preview the track, we coudl still safely race. I know i"m prepared to do a stoppie before I even enter the curve.. then I can slow in fast out :) and we are reserved, fundamental, riders. we're not the loudmouth people who run their R1's top end all around DC. Besides I know this guy has more fear, and less finesse, than me.. I can follow him all aroudn the track and just pass him in the last curve and to the finish line lol. Thanks appreciate your advice and oppinion! Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 17 01:47:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2H6l7U08301 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-33-201.s201.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.201]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14eAUU-0005v1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:47:07 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2 track day questions Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:51:15 -0800 Message-ID: <4jc6bto5lhkg9fei45cadc99knvdqc9p55@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2H6l8U08302 ok 3 questions 1> how many other riders will be out there typically? i hear 150 to 200? is that right? 2> they say no passing in the curves.. but I assume two riders can be side by side in the curves.. like one on the inside and one on the far outside or so? and as long as there is no blatant speeding passes it's ok? or is there a rule where you are supposed to slow down before the entry and your front tire should not be passed the rear tire of the bike in front of you? 3> how long is the course, in miles? (at summit) From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 17 02:49:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2H7nVU09946 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f2H7taV06659; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:55:36 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 track day questions Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:55:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <4jc6bto5lhkg9fei45cadc99knvdqc9p55@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <4jc6bto5lhkg9fei45cadc99knvdqc9p55@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0103170255360E.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > ok 3 questions > > 1> how many other riders will be out there typically? i hear 150 to > 200? is that right? Heh... not quite. Most track days are limited to 60 - 70 riders total, and broken into two or three groups (you get one session per hour). Even on a race weekend, the grid limit for Summit is somewhere around 50 bikes for a race. > 2> they say no passing in the curves.. but I assume two riders can be > side by side in the curves.. like one on the inside and one on the far > outside or so? and as long as there is no blatant speeding passes > it's ok? or is there a rule where you are supposed to slow down > before the entry and your front tire should not be passed the rear > tire of the bike in front of you? No.. single-file through the curves. This eliminates the possibility of the guy/gal on the inside falling and taking out the one on the outside. CyclesSport, for example, allows passing on the front straight in the morning, then adds the short chute between T2 & T3 around noon, then the straight between T9 and T10 after that if everyone is being good and not causing problems. If you haven't made the pass, you let the person in front have the line through the turn. > 3> how long is the course, in miles? (at summit) 2.1 miles, 10 turns. A fast 600 novice time is somewhere in the 1:24's I think. Running the 600 class on my 400 I would finish top-10 running 1:25's (which wins novice 400 class). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 17 07:11:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13003.mail.yahoo.com (web13003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2HCB8U16208 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:11:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010317121107.71281.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.227.222] by web13003.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 04:11:07 PST Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 04:11:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: COG Ride Sunday! To: James Reazor , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cswatson@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <014201c0ae9f$47e077a0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- James Reazor wrote: > Ya know, it's real tough t pass up a good crab cake. A few questions > though, what's "COG" is this a make or model specific ride? What kind of > pace is expected? Any one else from the list going? > > -James COG is the Concours Owners Group. While a majority of the bikes will be Connies, it is not a requirement (i.e. all makes and models welcome). In my past rides with them, they keep a good pace, doing maybe speed limit + 5. Riders are encouraged not to feel pressured to get in over their heads. I would be on this ride, but volunteered to help out with training the new batch of MSF instructors in VA. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 17 14:44:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2HJiZU22739 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010317194429.RLJZ23165.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:44:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3AB3BE93.26E9A46B@home.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:44:19 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: James Reazor , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cswatson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: COG Ride Sunday! References: <20010317121107.71281.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > --- James Reazor wrote: > > Ya know, it's real tough t pass up a good crab cake. A few questions > > though, what's "COG" is this a make or model specific ride? What kind of > > pace is expected? Any one else from the list going? > > > > -James > > COG is the Concours Owners Group. While a majority of the bikes will be > Connies, it is not a requirement (i.e. all makes and models welcome). In my > past rides with them, they keep a good pace, doing maybe speed limit + 5. > Riders are encouraged not to feel pressured to get in over their heads. I'd normall be on the ride, too, but scab cakes make me want to hurl. Blech. I'll stay home, have beer & pizza, and watch the xfl on tv. :) Hork -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 17 16:45:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2HLjTU24594 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010317214528.UJYT18734.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj133739a> for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:45:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01c0af2b$12f56320$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: References: <20010317121107.71281.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> <3AB3BE93.26E9A46B@home.com> Subject: Re: COG Ride Sunday! Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:41:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I don't know if that's a good idea. The one time I watched the XFL, the playing was so bad I wanted to hurl! > I'd normall be on the ride, too, but scab cakes make me want to hurl. > Blech. > I'll stay home, have beer & pizza, and watch the xfl on tv. :) > > Hork > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 17 17:40:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2HMejU25378 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-41.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.41]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06825 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:40:37 -0500 Posted-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c0af30$1703f440$29a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Schuberth Concept Helmet Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:17:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Listers -- Got an itch in the Shoei Syncrotec (flip convertible helmet) arena? Scratch on. In a rare "poking around" session, did so at Battley today and came upon what seems to be a new U.S. offering -- The Schuberth Helme Concept Helmet. While I'd not heard the name, it got my attention, me being in the early stages of helmet molting. It's lower priced than the ShoeiSyn.., with more bells and whistles than a steam calliope: push button chin strap, a retracting sun visor w/antifog internal to and separate from the outer antifog wind visor, a windflow ridge, completely removeable lining, etc. etc. Construction seems solid and thought out, and their brochure tells the story well. 3-year defects warranty. "How much does this noggin machine weigh" was my first thought -- so we brought out a mailing scale and it registered about the same as my Shoei800 (roughly 4 lbs, but they wouldn't vouch for the numbers: The Schu... brochure said 1650g, or roughly 3.63 lbs). "Donnie" the accessory fellow (Bat... -- 301 948 4581) put me in a size up from my Shoei (L->XL) as it seems they run small -- it felt awfully good to me, in spite of my pointy-type head. He said it's just recently been DOT'ted (SNELL never for convertibles, evidently) and offered stateside. Well, my wallet isn't lighter quite yet: Need normal think time about something as crucial as head armor. And the comment tree needs shaking. I did explore the clean and neat website, and the general background is copied below. I'll have to admit I've not heard of IFW, though their Hein Gericke and FirstGear labels seem to be highly regarded and that O.E.M. list isn't shabby either. ------------from the site http://www.schuberth-usa.com/pages/index.html Intersport Fashions West, Inc., (IFW) the makers of the highest quality technical outerwear for motorcyclists, is proud to be the exclusive importer of the Schuberth Concept motorcycle helmet. IFW has made a name for itself over the last 22 years with its private label brands, Hein Gericke, and FIRSTGEAR, plus making motorcycle and snowmobile apparel for O.E.M. customers such as Harley Davidson, Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Polaris, Victory and Arctic Cat. Now IFW has the highest quality product to literally outfit a rider from head to toe. Schuberth Helme GmbH has been making helmets since 1953 and has been making motorcycle helmets since 1956. Schuberth invented the flip-open helmet M-^SconceptM-^T in 1978 and has since become the worldM-^Rs most innovative helmet manufacturer. Schuberth produces a complete line of helmets which range from standard models all the way up to world-class, carbon fiber Formula 1 models. Schuberth showcases itM-^Rs German quality, safety and performance by supplying two Formula 1 drivers. Ralf Schumacher who drives for Williams BMW and Nick Heidfeld who drives for Sauber Petronas have chosen to wear a Schuberth Formula 1 helmet in 2001. SchuberthM-^Rs top of the line model the Concept has turned into one of the best selling premium motorcycle helmets in all of Europe. Now the fully DOT certified Schuberth Concept is available in the United States at your better motorcycle dealerships. ------------- Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Hmmm -- a helmet with more moving parts than me? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 17 21:08:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2I289U28575 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-57-65.s319.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.57.65] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14eSc4-0003M4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:08:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c0af50$3ecadaa0$41392c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200103180001.f2I01MW26628@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Schuberth Concept... Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:07:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > From: "mobacc" > Listers -- > > Got an itch in the Shoei Syncrotec (flip convertible helmet) arena? > Scratch on. > > In a rare "poking around" session, did so at Battley today and came upon > what seems to be a new U.S. offering -- The Schuberth Helme Concept Helmet. > While I'd not heard the name, it got my attention, me being in the early > stages of helmet molting. > ------------- > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> Hmmm -- a helmet with more moving parts than me? > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > Glad to see they finally got DOT'd. A couple people on LDRider use them and seem to like them. If the price is better than a Syncrotec, and it fits your head well then get it. I own a DuoTec and a Syncrotec. I like the flip-ups a lot. However, I wasn't too impressed with the Syncrotec and am only now getting used to it (bought last May). My Shoei head must be getting bigger or something... I think I would've gone Schuberth had it been readily available when I bought the Synchro.... Just to add more confusion, there are other flip-ups out there. Bombardier (sp) makes one for Ski-Mobiling with a dual clear visor that allows a sunscreen to be brought down between them. The design is supposed to keep the cold fog out. It also has a mouth piece contraption that ensures that only fresh outside air is breathed in and then exhausted outside again. It's heavy. Then there is Roof out of England. I tried this helmet on and it dug into my forhead. But it is WAY cool looking. The chin flips all the way to the rear of the helmet and it has a sun visor ala fighter pilot. Neat looking helmet. Also, HJC and Nolan make flip-ups that are a bargain. Again, just a little heavy. Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 17 22:17:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2I3HvU29644 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-41.patriot.net [209.249.181.41]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2I3Hq030027; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:17:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB42792.ACF4EA80@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:12:18 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Schuberth Concept... References: <200103180001.f2I01MW26628@dirty.meretrix.com> <000401c0af50$3ecadaa0$41392c42@c9rnf01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > Glad to see they finally got DOT'd. A couple people on LDRider use them and > seem to like them. If the price is better than a Syncrotec, and it fits > your head well then get it. > > I own a DuoTec and a Syncrotec. I like the flip-ups a lot. However, I > wasn't too impressed with the Syncrotec and am only now getting used to it > (bought last May). My Shoei head must be getting bigger or something... > > I think I would've gone Schuberth had it been readily available when I > bought the Synchro.... > > Just to add more confusion, there are other flip-ups out there. Bombardier > (sp) makes one for Ski-Mobiling with a dual clear visor that allows a > sunscreen to be brought down between them. The design is supposed to keep > the cold fog out. It also has a mouth piece contraption that ensures that > only fresh outside air is breathed in and then exhausted outside again. > It's heavy. > > Then there is Roof out of England. I tried this helmet on and it dug into > my forhead. But it is WAY cool looking. The chin flips all the way to the > rear of the helmet and it has a sun visor ala fighter pilot. Neat looking > helmet. > > Also, HJC and Nolan make flip-ups that are a bargain. Again, just a little > heavy. > > Todd (Springfield) About those ratings... I've heard that the helmet companys haven't submited the flip-ups to Snell because Snell doesn't have a test sequence for them. Maybe in the future taht will be fixed - whatever. For now I'll stick to cool weather full face and hot weather 3/4. Carting a spare helmet ain't a problem - never know when you're gonna meet up with a spare chick. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 09:40:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IEeJU10313 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010318144018.HJAS18734.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj133739a>; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:40:18 -0800 Message-ID: <010d01c0afb8$cead96e0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: , Subject: Registering a bike without a title Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:36:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 First I apologize for those of you who see this twice as I am posting it to a couple mailing lists. I recently purchased an 84 Magna V30 for my wife. We were given the title to the bike at the time of purchase. However, the last two owners of the bike never bothered to get the bike registered in their own name and we have not been able to contact the last owner of record according to the DMV to get him to sign a copy of the title over to us. We live in Virginia where they do not seem to have a lost title process for getting a vehicle registered. I know some states do allow for registration without a title for bikes under a certain age. In fact I have found several companies that will title the bike for you in a state that allows this, and then send you the title so you can transfer it to your state of residence. The least expensive company I've found that will do this for me is International Title Service. They will title the bike in Maine for $150.00. All the other companies I have found charge $200.00 for this service. My questions: Has anyone else on the list had to deal with registering a bike without a title, and how did you go about this? Is there a company you recommend for this? Is $150.00 the best cost I'm going to find for this service? Thanks, Keith 84 Nighthawk S 84 Magna V30 (The wife's) Reston VA ----------------------------------------------------------- Check out my Band's website: http://www.chaotika.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 09:56:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IEu9U10534 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.8a.3d8e54d (4394) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:56:00 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8a.3d8e54d.27e62680@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:56:00 EST Subject: Re: Registering a bike without a title To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Go to DMV and tell them that you want to title a bike that was abandoned on your property. They are familiar with this procedure and will tell you what you need to do. As I recall it involves sending a registered letter to the last known owner. If they don't respond within a certain amount of time then you claim the bike and pay for a new title. Much cheaper than $150. Good luck, Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 10:03:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IF3LU10683 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-19.patriot.net [209.249.181.19]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2IF3H009226; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:03:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB4CCE5.8F4D303A@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:57:41 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Lamond CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Registering a bike without a title References: <010d01c0afb8$cead96e0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I registered a car without a title. The DMV in VA has a procedure for this. You have them do a search for the address of the last known titleholder and using the forms DMV gives you, dispatch a registered letter to that address. You're claiming Vehicle abandoned on your property and there's a space to charge storage fees and mechanic's lien. Chances are the owner no longer lives at that addy and the registered letter will be returned as undeliverable. Take unopened letter to DMV - get title. After going thru this once you will never, ever buy a vehicle without a clear title again, no matter how good the deal is. Bill Keith Lamond wrote: > First I apologize for those of you who see this twice as I am posting it to > a couple mailing lists. > > I recently purchased an 84 Magna V30 for my wife. We were given the title > to the bike at the time of purchase. However, the last two owners of the > bike never bothered to get the bike registered in their own name and we have > not been able to contact the last owner of record according to the DMV to > get him to sign a copy of the title over to us. > > We live in Virginia where they do not seem to have a lost title process for > getting a vehicle registered. I know some states do allow for registration > without a title for bikes under a certain age. In fact I have found several > companies that will title the bike for you in a state that allows this, and > then send you the title so you can transfer it to your state of residence. > > The least expensive company I've found that will do this for me is > International Title Service. They will title the bike in Maine for $150.00. > All the other companies I have found charge $200.00 for this service. > > My questions: > > Has anyone else on the list had to deal with registering a bike without a > title, and how did you go about this? Is there a company you recommend for > this? > > Is $150.00 the best cost I'm going to find for this service? > > Thanks, > Keith > 84 Nighthawk S > 84 Magna V30 (The wife's) > Reston VA > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Check out my Band's website: > http://www.chaotika.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 10:38:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IFcWU11184 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:35:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Demello, Jill'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VA Ticket/Lane Changes Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:35:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dr. Gridlock recently wrote that in VA you must use your turn signals to change lanes, but in MD it is not required. Can't remember if DC was mentioned. (But in DC, anything pretty much goes, anyway.) U-turns is another area with different regs for at least two, and probably all three of our jurisdictions. I doubt if anyone other than cops can keep all these little nuances straight. And speaking of the good doctor, I noted with some amount of smugness that he finally conceded, after only about five years of overwhelming evidence, both anecdotal and scientific that one cannot drive as competently while talking on a cell phone as when one's full attention is on the driving. -----Original Message----- From: Demello, Jill [mailto:demelloj@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:41 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VA Ticket I'm guessing it was a high rate of speed with lane changes - sort of a weave or a curving lane split. We all know this maneuver. You can't really hit your signals fast enough. Besides, once they have to pull onto the shoulder and chase you, you're in trouble. > ---------- > From: Matthew Patton[SMTP:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: VA Ticket > > why would lane changes without signalling be improper driving? Hell, > almost nobody uses signals in cages and they dive from lane to lane, some > of them. Running redlights is a far more dangerous activity but you don't > get a 'reckless' for running one, do you? I sure haven't. > -- > > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > Powered by Outblaze > From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 10:51:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.troutman.org (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IFppU11416 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [172.16.50.2]) by mail.troutman.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22366; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:51:03 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010318104926.03510d40@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:50:48 -0500 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: A NY Gallon of Gas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Found on alt.moto.sportbike. Rather than take up list bandwidth, I dropped this excellent story on a web page. Worthy read. http://www.troutman.org/vfr/ny-gallon-of-gas.txt ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 11:41:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IGfFU12075 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-45-115.s115.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.115]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14egF0-0000p8-00 ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:41:14 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Keith Lamond" Cc: , Subject: Re: Registering a bike without a title Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:45:45 -0800 Message-ID: References: <010d01c0afb8$cead96e0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> In-Reply-To: <010d01c0afb8$cead96e0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2IGfRU12076 I was under the impression that international title service charged $75 for bikes and they registerd it in new hampshire. I definitely remember some place offering it for $75. I'll have a look. daniel On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:36:23 -0500, you wrote: |>First I apologize for those of you who see this twice as I am posting it to |>a couple mailing lists. |> |>I recently purchased an 84 Magna V30 for my wife. We were given the title |>to the bike at the time of purchase. However, the last two owners of the |>bike never bothered to get the bike registered in their own name and we have |>not been able to contact the last owner of record according to the DMV to |>get him to sign a copy of the title over to us. |> |>We live in Virginia where they do not seem to have a lost title process for |>getting a vehicle registered. I know some states do allow for registration |>without a title for bikes under a certain age. In fact I have found several |>companies that will title the bike for you in a state that allows this, and |>then send you the title so you can transfer it to your state of residence. |> |>The least expensive company I've found that will do this for me is |>International Title Service. They will title the bike in Maine for $150.00. |>All the other companies I have found charge $200.00 for this service. |> |>My questions: |> |>Has anyone else on the list had to deal with registering a bike without a |>title, and how did you go about this? Is there a company you recommend for |>this? |> |>Is $150.00 the best cost I'm going to find for this service? |> |>Thanks, |>Keith |>84 Nighthawk S |>84 Magna V30 (The wife's) |>Reston VA |>----------------------------------------------------------- |>Check out my Band's website: |>http://www.chaotika.com |> |> |> From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 11:43:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IGhKU12151 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-45-115.s115.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.115]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14egH1-0001EO-00 ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:43:20 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Keith Lamond , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Registering a bike without a title Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:47:50 -0800 Message-ID: References: <010d01c0afb8$cead96e0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> <3AB4CCE5.8F4D303A@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3AB4CCE5.8F4D303A@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2IGhLU12152 |>that addy and the registered letter will be returned as undeliverable. Take |>unopened letter to DMV - get title. |> |>After going thru this once you will never, ever buy a vehicle without a clear |>title again, no matter how good the deal is. What happens if the owner of an abandoned vehicle is there and just doesn't want to pay the fees, and never responds? Danny From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 11:44:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IGiNU12171 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-45-115.s115.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.115]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14egI2-0001QW-00 ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:44:23 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Goldberg, Saul" Cc: "'Demello, Jill'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Ticket/Lane Changes Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:48:53 -0800 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2IGiOU12172 I have a feeling Dr Gridlock hasn't done his/her homework... I think failing to signal while changing lanes is a ticketable offense in MD. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 11:47:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IGlDU12261 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-45-115.s115.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.115]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14egKm-0001rr-00 ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:47:13 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: roach@XXXXXX, James Reazor , DC Cycles Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:51:43 -0800 Message-ID: References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <009201c0adab$9fc9f6c0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> <3AB17B43.5BDAE2B3@patriot.net> <01031604292905.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3AB207C4.599DC18A@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3AB207C4.599DC18A@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2IGlEU12262 |>And don't forget, aforementioned unworn helmet MUST have 4 square inchs of |>reflective material attached thereto. That's maryland law as well as I understand it...but "paint" fulfills that requirement as I've been told. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 11:47:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IGloU12271 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-45-115.s115.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.115]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14egLO-0001wD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:47:50 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: The new Roach... sorta :) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:52:21 -0800 Message-ID: References: <01031415210321.27778@www.mostlyharmless.net> <009201c0adab$9fc9f6c0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> <3AB17B43.5BDAE2B3@patriot.net> <01031604292905.03740@www.mostlyharmless.net> <00e201c0ae21$d3120060$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> In-Reply-To: <00e201c0ae21$d3120060$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2IGlpU12272 |>> the helmet bungied to the back seat instead of on their head. I think this |>> falls under the "You can lead a horse to water..." catagory. more like you can lead a jack ass to water..... From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 11:59:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IGxaU12449 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-19.patriot.net [209.249.181.19]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2IGxT019558; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:59:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB4E821.14033E6E@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:53:53 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: Keith Lamond , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Registering a bike without a title References: <010d01c0afb8$cead96e0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> <3AB4CCE5.8F4D303A@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > |>that addy and the registered letter will be returned as undeliverable. Take > |>unopened letter to DMV - get title. > |> > |>After going thru this once you will never, ever buy a vehicle without a clear > |>title again, no matter how good the deal is. > > What happens if the owner of an abandoned vehicle is there and just > doesn't want to pay the fees, and never responds? > > Danny He/she has 30 days to respond or loses the right to the vehicle - it be yours. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 12:05:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IH57U12601 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj33046a ([24.13.248.105]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010318170506.JQJF18734.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj33046a>; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:05:06 -0800 Message-ID: <006601c0afcd$94d7eff0$69f80d18@cj33046a> Reply-To: "Richard L. Casale" From: "Richard L. Casale" To: Cc: "VFR Mailing List" Subject: Track time for beginners Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:05:06 -0500 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01C0AFA3.ABA63360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C0AFA3.ABA63360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there gang, having never ridden on a race track with my 2000 Honda = VFR, I was wondering if there were any race track out there that just = about anyone can get on and take some laps to check out their bikes? Riding my bike 365 like I do I am in search of some good track = experiences. I want to feel the limits of my bike so I can be better = prepared for just about anything on the road. I am also interested in = attending some track schools with teach you some high speed = tips--particularly cornering. Can anyone who have attended a track = school make a recommendation. I'm living Northern Virginia, but willing = to travel if that's what's required. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C0AFA3.ABA63360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey there gang, having never ridden = on a race=20 track with my 2000 Honda VFR, I was wondering if there were any race = track out=20 there that just about anyone can get on and take some laps to check out = their=20 bikes?
 
Riding my bike 365 like I do I am in = search of=20 some good track experiences.  I want to feel the limits of my bike = so I can=20 be better prepared for just about anything on the road.  I am also=20 interested in attending some track schools with teach you some high = speed=20 tips--particularly cornering.  Can anyone who have attended a track = school=20 make a recommendation.  I'm living Northern Virginia, but willing = to travel=20 if that's what's required.
------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C0AFA3.ABA63360-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 12:28:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2IHSaU12943 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:28:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010318172835.19103.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.10.40.210] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:28:35 PST Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: ricardo pontes Subject: blackbird and zx-11 info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello group, Anyone have any experience with the following bikes? i like how these 2 monsters look like. The zx-11 and the honda cbr 11xx blackbird. Anyone know if these are good bikes. How reliable are they? I stoped at the moto store today, and they were working on 3 zx-11's? Has anyone riden these bikes, if so how fast are they? Im very intersted in the reliability factor, i dont want a bike that costs a ton to fix, or needs motor work very often. Im leaning towards the honda cbr 11xx, because i have had good experiences with honda.. Anyone?? Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph Tiger 1999 Kawasaki ke100 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 12:28:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2IHSbU12946 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:28:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010318172837.19117.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.10.40.210] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:28:37 PST Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: ricardo pontes Subject: blackbird and zx-11 info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello group, Anyone have any experience with the following bikes? i like how these 2 monsters look like. The zx-11 and the honda cbr 11xx blackbird. Anyone know if these are good bikes. How reliable are they? I stoped at the moto store today, and they were working on 3 zx-11's? Has anyone riden these bikes, if so how fast are they? Im very intersted in the reliability factor, i dont want a bike that costs a ton to fix, or needs motor work very often. Im leaning towards the honda cbr 11xx, because i have had good experiences with honda.. Anyone?? Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph Tiger 1999 Kawasaki ke100 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 12:41:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IHf7U13115 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from zippy3 (user-11203dd.dsl.mindspring.com [66.32.13.173]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20405; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:41:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010318114224.0194c320@midwest.net> X-Sender: parrothd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:42:24 -0600 To: "Richard L. Casale" , From: "Jonathan E. Lyons" Subject: Re: Track time for beginners Cc: "VFR Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <006601c0afcd$94d7eff0$69f80d18@cj33046a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Hey, Check out www.nesba.com, we have a free intro class that will provide a taste of the track in a controlled environment, if you like it, you'll get plenty of track time and learn a great deal from the control riders(instructors). For riding schools I'd look at STAR and CLASS, both are great, STAR is geared to more towards track/racing. Be warned, once you start you won't wanna stop!!.. At 12:05 PM 3/18/01 -0500, Richard L. Casale wrote: >>>> 8080,0000,0000Hey there gang, having never ridden on a race track with my 2000 Honda VFR, I was wondering if there were any race track out there that just about anyone can get on and take some laps to check out their bikes? 8080,0000,0000Riding my bike 365 like I do I am in search of some good track experiences. I want to feel the limits of my bike so I can be better prepared for just about anything on the road. I am also interested in attending some track schools with teach you some high speed tips--particularly cornering. Can anyone who have attended a track school make a recommendation. I'm living Northern Virginia, but willing to travel if that's what's required. <<<<<<<< Jonathan E. Lyons FreeBSD, MCSE, A+, CCNA www.parrothd.com ICQ # 14226912 From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 13:28:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2IISwU13863 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 26871 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 10:28:50 -0800 Received: from 1Cust158.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.20.245.158) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 10:28:50 -0800 X-Sent: 18 Mar 2001 18:28:50 GMT Message-ID: <003201c0afd9$a64249a0$9ef5143f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Richard L. Casale" , References: <006601c0afcd$94d7eff0$69f80d18@cj33046a> Subject: Re: Track time for beginners Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:31:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0AFAF.BB29F2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0AFAF.BB29F2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there gang, having never ridden on a race track with my 2000 Honda = VFR, I was wondering if there were any race track out there that just = about anyone can get on and take some laps to check out their bikes?...I = am also interested in attending some track schools with teach you some = high speed tips--particularly cornering. Can anyone who have attended a = track school make a recommendation. I'm living Northern Virginia, but = willing to travel if that's what's required. Richard: I'd definitely recommend track days at summit. they are a = total blast, and really let you figure out your capabilities on your = bike, as well as what your bike is able to handle. I think we'll = organize a DC Cycles day that we can all do a track day together. Roach = was our resident "den dad" last year for a bunch of us on DC Cycles who = took our first track day. I think he's planning on doing a "help = session" type thing at one of the track days this year. If so, I'd = highly recommend this. Also, I haven't taken it yet, but I'm supposed to take the Keith Code = track school in May. This is a great place to learn your cornering, as = well as track techniques, which will, of course, help you out on the = street as well.=20 Laura ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0AFAF.BB29F2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Hey there gang, having never = ridden on a race=20 track with my 2000 Honda VFR, I was wondering if there were any race = track out=20 there that just about anyone can get on and take some laps to check = out their=20 bikes?...I am also interested in = attending=20 some track schools with teach you some high speed tips--particularly=20 cornering.  Can anyone who have attended a track school make a=20 recommendation.  I'm living Northern Virginia, but willing to = travel if=20 that's what's required.
 
 
Richard: I'd definitely = recommend track=20 days at summit.  they are a total blast, and really let you = figure out=20 your capabilities on your bike, as well as what your bike is able to=20 handle.  I think we'll organize a DC Cycles day that we can all = do a=20 track day together.  Roach was our resident "den dad" last year = for a=20 bunch of us on DC Cycles who took our first track day.  I think = he's=20 planning on doing a "help session" type thing at one of the track days = this=20 year.  If so, I'd highly recommend this.
 
Also, I haven't taken it yet, = but I'm=20 supposed to take the Keith Code track school in May.  This is a = great=20 place to learn your cornering, as well as track techniques, which = will, of=20 course, help you out on the street as well. 
 
Laura
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0AFAF.BB29F2C0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 13:50:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IIoEU14252 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:47:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX '" , "Goldberg, Saul" Cc: "''Demello, Jill' '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: VA Ticket/Lane Changes Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:47:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Could be. Wooden be da fois time. In that case, I should be much more "rageous" than I already are. -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Goldberg, Saul Cc: 'Demello, Jill'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 3/18/01 2:48 PM Subject: Re: VA Ticket/Lane Changes I have a feeling Dr Gridlock hasn't done his/her homework... I think failing to signal while changing lanes is a ticketable offense in MD. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 14:59:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IJxIU15305 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p48.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.176]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29775; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:59:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB513E2.5040607@radix.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:00:34 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ricardo pontes CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: blackbird and zx-11 info References: <20010318172835.19103.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ricardo pontes wrote: > > Hello group, > > Anyone have any experience with the following bikes? > i like how these 2 monsters look like. The zx-11 and > the honda cbr 11xx blackbird. Anyone know if these are > good bikes. I've had a '90 ZX 11 since March '93. I've had only 2 problems that I didn't cause ( in pursuit of more HP ). They were / are - batteries - 11's are hard on batteries and headlight bulbs - I use high watt bulbs, & I go through one about every 15 months or so... seems to be a vibration issue. > How reliable are they? I stoped at the > moto store today, and they were working on 3 zx-11's? > Has anyone riden these bikes, if so how fast are they? There's one inherent problem with the ZX900 A, 1000, ZX10, & ZX11 family of engines - oil starvation of the #3 (& sometimes #4) rod, 99% of the time caused by excessive wheelie time. There's a couple of kits that modify oil delivery to alleviate this. A LOT of bikes are succeptible to this, but the 11 gets more than it's fair share of publicity for it. Don't let this issue sway your decision. The 11 lump is fairly straight forward to work on, parts are readily available, & it takes to mods well ;-) My 11 has over 55k miles on it, and rides quite well... Of course, I've poured plenty of money into it... I have a C model which ran 90 - 93, the D model ran 93 - current. The D model has a better ram air, bigger gas tank, slightly better frame, but gained 50 pounds. The 11 is an excellent street bike & can be had for a real good price about now. stock, expect about 120 - 125 rwhp, and around 42 mpg of mixed riding. Any 11 in good health should be able break 170 mph, trust me, you'll never see a true 170 on the street anywhere around here. Pipe & jet kit are worth about 10 - 13 hp at the wheel typically, I like the Micron pipe, personally. 11's with more than 20k miles are typically in need of suspension work, fork springs & a rear shock rebuild. That can be $400 - $1500 depending on what modifications you want to make over stock. Wheels really make a huge difference on the 11, the stockers are like boat anchors. I got a set of PM wheels & it made a HUGE difference for the better. If you like to cruise often above 100, you'll need brakes in short order, front rotors are undersized. I have stock sized iron rotors on the front now, & they stop way better & more consistent. My web site has a ton of info, but it's down about now while I try to find time to rework it. Contact me off list if you want more info.. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 16:10:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2ILA8U16409 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010318211007.NOZJ18734.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj133739a>; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:10:07 -0800 Message-ID: <018301c0afef$39b54740$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: Cc: References: <010d01c0afb8$cead96e0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> Subject: Re: Registering a bike without a title Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:05:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 There website still says $75 but when I called them they said the forms had changed for 2001 and the price has gone up to $150. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Keith Lamond" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Registering a bike without a title I was under the impression that international title service charged $75 for bikes and they registerd it in new hampshire. I definitely remember some place offering it for $75. I'll have a look. daniel On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:36:23 -0500, you wrote: |>First I apologize for those of you who see this twice as I am posting it to |>a couple mailing lists. |> |>I recently purchased an 84 Magna V30 for my wife. We were given the title |>to the bike at the time of purchase. However, the last two owners of the |>bike never bothered to get the bike registered in their own name and we have |>not been able to contact the last owner of record according to the DMV to |>get him to sign a copy of the title over to us. |> |>We live in Virginia where they do not seem to have a lost title process for |>getting a vehicle registered. I know some states do allow for registration |>without a title for bikes under a certain age. In fact I have found several |>companies that will title the bike for you in a state that allows this, and |>then send you the title so you can transfer it to your state of residence. |> |>The least expensive company I've found that will do this for me is |>International Title Service. They will title the bike in Maine for $150.00. |>All the other companies I have found charge $200.00 for this service. |> |>My questions: |> |>Has anyone else on the list had to deal with registering a bike without a |>title, and how did you go about this? Is there a company you recommend for |>this? |> |>Is $150.00 the best cost I'm going to find for this service? |> |>Thanks, |>Keith |>84 Nighthawk S |>84 Magna V30 (The wife's) |>Reston VA |>----------------------------------------------------------- |>Check out my Band's website: |>http://www.chaotika.com |> |> |> From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 17:23:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2IMNiU17562 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010318222324.NGDU23165.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:23:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3AB5354E.2D4CED3@home.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:23:10 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: Keith Lamond , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Registering a bike without a title References: <010d01c0afb8$cead96e0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > I was under the impression that international title service charged > $75 for bikes and they registerd it in new hampshire. Daniel, That's what their website changes - however, when I called them up, they say the laws have changed in NH, they can no longer title bikes via that route anymore...they can still get titles for bikes 1985 and older... Doesn't help me with my '87 free Connie. Maybe I'll try the abandoned bike/registered letter route here in VA - it might work. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 18 19:42:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2J0gAU19647 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id g.87.85ac58f (4588); Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:40:55 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <87.85ac58f.27e6af97@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:40:55 EST Subject: Re: Schuberth Concept Helmet To: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 In a message dated 3/17/2001 5:41:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: << Listers -- Got an itch in the Shoei Syncrotec (flip convertible helmet) arena? Scratch on. In a rare "poking around" session, did so at Battley today and came upon what seems to be a new U.S. offering -- The Schuberth Helme Concept Helmet. While I'd not heard the name, it got my attention, me being in the early stages of helmet molting. >> OK. Looks pretty neat. Couple questions though. How much was it? How well do you think the sun visor would fit over glasses? Where exactly is Battleys? Never been there before. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 07:17:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9704.mail.yahoo.com (web9704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JCHMU00900 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:17:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010319121711.72253.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.45] by web9704.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:17:11 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:17:11 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: COG Ride Sunday! To: DCC , nighthawk700@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Louis wrote... > I would be on this ride, but volunteered to help out > with training the new batch of MSF instructors in VA. And I thank you. Damn it was cold out on the range. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 07:37:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JCb8U01191 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-21.patriot.net [209.249.181.21]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2JCb6020354; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:37:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB5FC20.6821FC16@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:31:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scratch CC: DCC , nighthawk700@XXXXXX Subject: Re: COG Ride Sunday! References: <20010319121711.72253.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scratch wrote: > Louis wrote... > > I would be on this ride, but volunteered to help out > > > with training the new batch of MSF instructors in > VA. > > And I thank you. > > Damn it was cold out on the range. > Enjoy - soon it will be summer on the range, so hot you can fry Steakums on the pavement. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 07:44:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JCi6U01277 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:44:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:44:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200103190744.AA30998970@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Cell phone use not so bad [was: VA Ticket/Lane Changes X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Goldberg, Saul" >And speaking of the good doctor, I noted with some >amount of smugness that he finally conceded, after only about five years of >overwhelming evidence, both anecdotal and scientific that one cannot drive >as competently while talking on a cell phone as when one's full attention is >on the driving. And here's some evidence that cell phones are the least worst distraction in cars: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/16/MN120780.DTL From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 07:52:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JCqgU01434 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:52:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010319125241.97135.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:52:41 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:52:41 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Alternative source for MC consumables To: James Reazor , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <011c01c0ae62$7057bc80$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been using Mobil 1 15W-50, the standard car version for years in my V30 Magna with no problems. Its got about 35K miles on it without a single slip of the clutch. I also use it in my VFR that I've had since 98 without a problem either. Glenn --- James Reazor wrote: > The oil of choice on the SV list seems to be the > non-moto specific Mobil > 1 15/50 synth. There are a couple guys on the list > with 15-20,000 miles on > the stuff with no clutch or tranny problems. I'd > wager that they change it a > bit more often then Dale does, I think the owners > manual for the SV > recommends an oil change every 3500 miles. I used > dino-juice for my first 2 > oil changes but will be switching to the Mobil 1 > next time. > > > > It's been awhile since we talked oil here, I have > been ridiculously > > happy with Valvoline Dura Blend (semi-synth) 10w40 > and/or 20w50 on > > the bikes. $2.12 a quart last I checked. When I > used Mobil 1 the > > shifting would start to get notchy after about > 5,000 miles. I've got > > almost 10,000 on this current oil change (ok, so I > stretch the stock > > 6,000 mile interval a bit) and things still feel > pretty good. > > > > Mobil 1 was great for super-duper cold weather > starting, but I > > like the Valvoline stuff better for everything > else. > > > > Horkster (abusing my bikes so that you don't have > to) > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 08:26:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13003.mail.yahoo.com (web13003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JDQkU01853 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:26:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010319132646.77646.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web13003.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 05:26:46 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 05:26:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: COG Ride Sunday! To: "William J. Huson" , Scratch Cc: DCC In-Reply-To: <3AB5FC20.6821FC16@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Scratch wrote: > > > Damn it was cold out on the range. > > Enjoy - soon it will be summer on the range, so hot you can fry Steakums > on the pavement. > > Bill Shhhhhhhhh... don't scare them off before we get them hooked in the program! Besides, this way you don't have to ride out for lunch... just bring the frozen steaks in the morning, let them thaw out while having the students go round and round, and then cook a nice hot lunch without having to leave the range. If it's not hot enough outside, just strap on to a tailpipe during the last excercise. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 08:32:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JDWBU01996 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-21.patriot.net [209.249.181.21]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2JDW4026511; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB60903.B8B2DF96@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:26:27 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: Scratch , DCC Subject: Re: COG Ride Sunday! References: <20010319132646.77646.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis F. Caplan wrote: > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > Scratch wrote: > > > > > Damn it was cold out on the range. > > > > Enjoy - soon it will be summer on the range, so hot you can fry Steakums > > on the pavement. > > > > Bill > > Shhhhhhhhh... don't scare them off before we get them hooked in the program! > Besides, this way you don't have to ride out for lunch... just bring the frozen > steaks in the morning, let them thaw out while having the students go round and > round, and then cook a nice hot lunch without having to leave the range. If > it's not hot enough outside, just strap on to a tailpipe during the last > excercise. > Oh yeah! Manifold dinner! One of my favs when making that 500 mile trip from college to homw port. Actually, I kind of like warm weather. The chillys tend to cripple us old farts, nothing like internal sweat to lube the arthritic joints :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 09:32:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JEWoU02891 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5787 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Mar 2001 14:32:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010319143248.5786.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:32:47 -0500 Subject: swearing out warrant whiteboy redneck, bozo decided he didn't like how I had a 2+ second interval between me and the stopping cars ahead so he passed me IN my lane. I was in the right third and he barely got a wheel off onto the shoulder as he zipped on by. Yakkin' on a cell phone, of course. RT28 north was hardly bad traffic like it is some mornings. So, how do I swear out a warrant for a MD driver? I'm VA. It's a pity brandishing is a crime... A few holes in his tires would have been rather nice. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 09:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JEYiU02903 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA27295 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:34:29 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:34:29 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Street Pilots Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:34:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C0B081.B2F786D0" This message is in MIME format. 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Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: swearing out warrant References: <20010319143248.5786.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Patton wrote: > So, how do I swear out a warrant for a MD driver? I'm VA. It's a pity brandishing is a crime... A few holes in his tires would have been rather nice. And y`all wonder why many worry about folks packing heat. A few holes in his tires would be way more than "brandishing". Firing, even a pellet gun, at an occupied vehicle is a serious felony - jail time, richly deseerved. And no more guns for you, a relief for us peace loving citizens. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 10:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (web109.mail.yahoo.com [205.180.60.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JFIfU03599 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9203 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2001 15:18:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010319151830.9202.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web109.yahoomail.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:18:30 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:18:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: swearing out warrant To: "William J. Huson" , Matthew Patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3AB61B8D.E7C001BC@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I fully agree Bill. Shooting a gun at someone for passing you? Hmmmm....do we have an ego problem here? --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > Matthew Patton wrote: > > > So, how do I swear out a warrant for a MD driver? > I'm VA. It's a pity brandishing is a crime... A few > holes in his tires would have been rather nice. > > And y`all wonder why many worry about folks packing > heat. A few holes in his tires would be way more > than "brandishing". Firing, even a pellet gun, at > an occupied vehicle is a serious felony - jail time, > richly deseerved. And no more guns for you, a relief > for us peace loving citizens. > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 10:19:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web1201.mail.yahoo.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JFJIU03609 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1984 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2001 15:19:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010319151916.1983.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.136] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:19:16 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:19:16 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Rittershausen" Reply-To: etrigan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Schuberth Concept Helmet To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <001e01c0af30$1703f440$29a4fccd@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- mobacc wrote: > Listers -- > Got an itch in the Shoei Syncrotec (flip convertible helmet) > arena? > Scratch on. > In a rare "poking around" session, did so at Battley today and > came upon > what seems to be a new U.S. offering -- The Schuberth Helme Concept > Helmet. Looks like a nice design - I especially like the sun visor. Lazer has a similar design, but they only included the sun visor on their snowmobile model, sold under the bombardier label. 2 things about this helmet that make me wonder tho. 1) The latching mechanism is released from one side of the helmet. Most others either have a release on both sides, or one in front. Hopefully, this doesn't indicate that the cin bar is only latched on one side. I'd have to take a closer look at the helmet. 2) The explanation of why their helmet isn't snell certified is a load. From the schuberth web site: "All motorcycle helmets imported for sale in the United states must meet the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard, Part 218, commonly known as DOT (Departent of Transportation). The Snell Foundation has developed a similar, yet different testing method for certifying helmets for racing competition, but the Snell standard is not required for helmets intended for use on public highways. Because the Schuberth Concept helmet was not intended for racing applications, it was not submitted to Snell for certification. Some racing organization require the Snell certification for helmets used in competitive events, so please keep that in mind if you participate in such events." AFAIK, there is NO snell standard for flip-ups, and helmet companies were unwilling to have them tested as normal full face designs, but didn't want them tested as open face either. FWIW, I'm pretty happy with my Nolan N100 - good around town, a little noisy for long trips. Todd ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 10:26:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JFQRU03707 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs724762 ([192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA10784 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:32:23 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: swearing out warrant Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3AB61B8D.E7C001BC@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Hot Damn! The GUN Thread is back!!! Gary -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:46 AM To: Matthew Patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: swearing out warrant Matthew Patton wrote: > So, how do I swear out a warrant for a MD driver? I'm VA. It's a pity brandishing is a crime... A few holes in his tires would have been rather nice. And y`all wonder why many worry about folks packing heat. A few holes in his tires would be way more than "brandishing". Firing, even a pellet gun, at an occupied vehicle is a serious felony - jail time, richly deseerved. And no more guns for you, a relief for us peace loving citizens. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 10:33:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JFX7U03860 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip144.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.144]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06343; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:33:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB6272B.65A12E1B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:35:07 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Mark Kitchell , "William J. Huson" , Matthew Patton Subject: Re: swearing out warrant References: <20010319151830.9202.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geez... Can't you people read (or at least read between the lines)? Did Matthew say he brandished or shot at anyone/thing? He was merely expressing a thought. Don't tell me you've never thought about doing something similar. We all have. It's called anger, frustration, etc. But just because we think about it doesn't mean we do it. As for "peace loving" folks worrying about those "packing heat"... Statistically speaking, you have next to nothing to worry about (at least with law-abiding citizens who are concealed permit holders). These folks are "civilized" enough to not act on their immediate human impulse (maybe you can't and that's a good reason for you not to own a gun). Contrary to widely held popular belief (mis-belief would be more accurate), states that have concealed permit laws (VA being one of them) have not turned into the wild, wild west with folks shooting at each other over arguments and incidents such as Matthew described. Any shooting tends to be done either by criminals or citizens who are not legal permit holders. When legal permit holders start shooting folks wholesale for reasons other than justifiable self-defense where their's or someone else's life is at risk, then you will have something to be deservedly worried about. Until then, stop being so friggin' hysterical about guns and gun owners. Stick to riding your friggin' motorcycles! %^) Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I fully agree Bill. Shooting a gun at someone for > passing you? Hmmmm....do we have an ego problem here? > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > > > > Matthew Patton wrote: > > > > > So, how do I swear out a warrant for a MD driver? > > I'm VA. It's a pity brandishing is a crime... A few > > holes in his tires would have been rather nice. > > > > And y`all wonder why many worry about folks packing > > heat. A few holes in his tires would be way more > > than "brandishing". Firing, even a pellet gun, at > > an occupied vehicle is a serious felony - jail time, > > richly deseerved. And no more guns for you, a relief > > for us peace loving citizens. > > > > Bill -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 10:50:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JFo7U04187 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-224.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.224]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29735 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:49:30 -0500 Posted-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:49:30 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01c0b082$b1820860$29a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Schuberth Concept Helmet Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:41:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Scooter queried: >OK. Looks pretty neat. Couple questions though. How much was it?< Battley was quoting around $30 less than Syncrotec (at around $430). This is top retail -- normal alternatives, including direct order from Schuberth, possibly preferable. I'll have to say the service I've gotten so far on this has been worth the B... markup. >How well do you think the sun visor would fit over glasses? My experience -- fine. Salesperson said that with a little practice can even on/off helmet without removing glasses. So -- two big plusses: No visor change night/day, and no glasses removal. Would reco a hands-on verify of these (frame, headsize, etc. might be factors). >Where exactly is Battleys? Never been there before. Battley Cycles (HD, Ducati, BMW, etc.) is in east Gaithersburg about 5 miles off 270 via Shady Grove Rd. (1?)301 948 4581 ask Accessories (Donnie?) for prices, directions. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Calloused from carrying extra visor Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. >Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) In a message dated 3/17/2001 5:41:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: << Listers -- Got an itch in the Shoei Syncrotec (flip convertible helmet) arena? Scratch on. In a rare "poking around" session, did so at Battley today and came upon what seems to be a new U.S. offering -- The Schuberth Helme Concept Helmet. While I'd not heard the name, it got my attention, me being in the early stages of helmet molting. >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 11:07:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JG7BU04441 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-224.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.224]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA31687 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:07:04 -0500 Posted-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:07:04 -0500 Message-ID: <006901c0b085$108a1e40$29a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:58:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >From: "Goldberg, Saul" ...snip And speaking of the good doctor, I noted with some amount of smugness that he finally conceded, after only about five years of overwhelming evidence, both anecdotal and scientific that one cannot drive as competently while talking on a cell phone as when one's full attention is on the driving.< The AMA may still have 4x4 yellow stickers promoting "Drive Now, Talk Later!". My rear bag has been sporting one for a few weeks and I haven't been attacked. And I've passed out a few. Try emailing gsweet@XXXXXX (Gary Sweet) with quantity and send-to address. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> I want to talk via Onstar Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 11:08:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JG8NU04451 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-86-225.s606.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.86.225] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14f2Ck-0004Sg-00 ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:08:23 -0500 Message-ID: <011c01c0b08e$fe9e3680$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20010319151830.9202.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> <3AB6272B.65A12E1B@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: swearing out warrant Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:08:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I agree, Chuck, that concealed carry permit holders and motorcyclists need to control "their immediate human impulses." Neither firearms nor motorcycles are very accommodating of impulsive behavior. As for swearing out a traffic complaint, unless it's terribly egregious, doing that for every "bad actor" I encountered on the roads would mean appearing in court every week. Paul in DC 91 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena > Geez... Can't you people read (or at least read between the lines)? Did > Matthew say he brandished or shot at anyone/thing? > These folks are "civilized" enough to not act on their immediate human > impulse (maybe you can't and that's a good reason for you not to own a > gun). From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 11:40:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kafka.net.nih.gov (kafka.net.nih.gov [165.112.130.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JGenU04936 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.231.204.107] (pk.niaaa.nih.gov [128.231.204.107]) by kafka.net.nih.gov (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2JGeI208763 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:40:18 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006901c0b085$108a1e40$29a4fccd@micron> References: <006901c0b085$108a1e40$29a4fccd@micron> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:40:25 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >From: "Goldberg, Saul" > >...snip > >And speaking of the good doctor, I noted with some >amount of smugness that he finally conceded, after only about five years of >overwhelming evidence, both anecdotal and scientific that one cannot drive >as competently while talking on a cell phone as when one's full attention is >on the driving.< > >The AMA may still have 4x4 yellow stickers promoting "Drive Now, Talk >Later!". My rear bag has been sporting one for a few weeks and I haven't >been attacked. And I've passed out a few. Try emailing >gsweet@XXXXXX (Gary Sweet) with quantity and send-to address. > >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 --> I want to talk via Onstar >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. If they are out of them, there is a funny radio show (WAMU 88.50 FM Sat 8:00 AM-9:00 AM & WETA 90.90 FM Sat 10:00 AM-11:00 AM) called "Car Talk" which discusses car repair problems. They ranted last Saturday about phones and driving and offered their own free bumper sticker [has their logo/name on it also]-> http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Drive-Now/bumper-sticker.html Erick From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 11:54:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11009.mail.yahoo.com (web11009.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JGs9U05174 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:54:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010319165407.12096.qmail@web11009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11009.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:54:07 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:54:07 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Gob-smacked with a feather. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I grew up out near Fairfax Station RD and Colchester. I was riding around there last Wednesday. Remember all the fields and trails I tore up on my DT 125. All new houses now. Man I just love those roads. Trey --- "Smith, Steven" wrote: > Dearly Beloved, > > After having spent the past week in frigid Warren, > Michigan, and spending > all of Saturday in neglected chores, I was > determined to take two hours for > myself yesterday morning. Boudicca fired up first > touch (thank you dear) > and we were off to reconnoiter the sand and salt > strewn environs around > Clifton and Fairfax Station. At a very sane speed, > of course. > > Well, I didn't check out all the roads but I did > manage Henderson, Hampton, > Clifton, Newman, Colchester, and Fairfax Station. > Miracle of miracles, > every blessed one of them was swept clean! Not only > that but the only car > that got in my way actually pulled onto the shoulder > to let me pass!!! > Glorious ride that ended much too soon. And as far > as that sane speed stuff > is concerned, that might have been me hooning around > like a maniac. Spring? > Close enough. > > Enjoy, brothers and sisters, > > MC Happy > Peoples Republic of Alexandria > MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 > 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 11:56:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (mail.lcsa.org [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JGu3U05187 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs724762 ([192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA12212 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:01:01 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal I hope they also make: "Drive Now, Put On Makeup later" "Drive Now, Eat Later" "Drive Now, Read Later" "Drive Now, Sightsee Later" "Drive Now, Pick Your Nose Later" "Drive Now, Beat Your Kids Later" "Drive Now, Play With The Radio Later" "Drive Now, Smoke Later" "Drive Now, Snuggle Later" -----Original Message----- From: Erick Singley [mailto:singley@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:40 AM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA > >From: "Goldberg, Saul" > >...snip > >And speaking of the good doctor, I noted with some >amount of smugness that he finally conceded, after only about five years of >overwhelming evidence, both anecdotal and scientific that one cannot drive >as competently while talking on a cell phone as when one's full attention is >on the driving.< > >The AMA may still have 4x4 yellow stickers promoting "Drive Now, Talk >Later!". My rear bag has been sporting one for a few weeks and I haven't >been attacked. And I've passed out a few. Try emailing >gsweet@XXXXXX (Gary Sweet) with quantity and send-to address. > >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 --> I want to talk via Onstar >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. If they are out of them, there is a funny radio show (WAMU 88.50 FM Sat 8:00 AM-9:00 AM & WETA 90.90 FM Sat 10:00 AM-11:00 AM) called "Car Talk" which discusses car repair problems. They ranted last Saturday about phones and driving and offered their own free bumper sticker [has their logo/name on it also]-> http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Drive-Now/bumper-sticker.html Erick From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 11:58:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JGwHU05270 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9226 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Mar 2001 16:58:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010319165816.9225.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:58:15 -0500 Subject: Re: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA > "Car Talk" which discusses car repair problems. Yeah but don't the majority of their callers use their cellphones while driving to call in? Are they going to put these people on their air, publicly tell them to get off the air and then drop their call till their listeners get the drift? Zero-tolerance, I say. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 12:07:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JH7CU05432 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13802 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Mar 2001 17:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010319170711.13801.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:07:09 -0500 Subject: RE: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA I like spinning it the other way: Putting on makeup? Pull over! Eating that sandwich? Pull over! Yelling at your kids? Pull over! Checking the news? Pull over! > "Drive Now, Put On Makeup later" > "Drive Now, Eat Later" > "Drive Now, Read Later" > "Drive Now, Sightsee Later" -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 12:29:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JHSxU05783 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:28:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010319172854.15700.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.190] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:28:54 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:28:54 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: blackbird and zx-11 info To: ricardo pontes , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010318172835.19103.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ricardo pontes wrote: > > > Hello group, > > Anyone have any experience with the following bikes? > i like how these 2 monsters look like. The zx-11 and > the honda cbr 11xx blackbird. Anyone know if these are > good bikes. How reliable are they? I stoped at the > moto store today, and they were working on 3 zx-11's? > Has anyone riden these bikes, if so how fast are they? i owned a '94 D model for 25k miles. it was very reliable, very fast, and very heavy. if you spend most of your time looking for and riding twisty roads, i would recommend a more flickable bike. the zx11 has been basically unchanged since the D model came out (i believe late-'93 or '94), and because of this there ain't no way i'd buy a newer model. there just isn't a point to it. you can find a low mileage '94 or '95 for under $6k, so why spend $10k? > Im very intersted in the reliability factor, i dont > want a bike that costs a ton to fix, or needs motor > work very often. Im leaning towards the honda cbr > 11xx, because i have had good experiences with honda.. > Anyone?? if i were really going to buy one of these two bikes, i'd go with the honda (even with the less-than-stellar ground clearance problem (which actually makes it a perfect stablemate for your center-stand-challenged tiger--they both need work) previously discussed on this list). honda fit and finish is miles ahead of kawasaki's. btw, you'll never see 170mph or above around here. some people i know, ahem, might occasionally see 150 or so, and that's f-ing crazy. having the benefit of 1.5 years under my butt on a zx11d (with much of that time spent traveling the east coast with a cbr1100xx pilot), i can say that i'd sooner buy a 600cc sportbike than either of these two 1100cc pigs. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 12:29:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JHTRU05793 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09336; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:29:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:29:20 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Matthew Patton cc: Subject: RE: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA In-Reply-To: <20010319170711.13801.qmail@theglobe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Asbestos underwear on... And what soccer Mom's in mini-vans? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Matthew Patton wrote: > I like spinning it the other way: > > Putting on makeup? Pull over! > Eating that sandwich? Pull over! > Yelling at your kids? Pull over! > Checking the news? Pull over! > > > "Drive Now, Put On Makeup later" > > "Drive Now, Eat Later" > > "Drive Now, Read Later" > > "Drive Now, Sightsee Later" > > -- > > > "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > Powered by Outblaze > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 12:39:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JHd4U05976 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28595 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Mar 2001 17:39:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010319173903.28594.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:39:01 -0500 Subject: 1-piece leathers, help in fitting I own a FieldSheer suit (brand new) and wore it on for the first time on the bike for my jaunt to Annapolis and back Saturday morning. I wonder if I got the right size. I have a size 40. I initially ordered a 42 but the chest area was a bit loose and baggy. With the 40, the chest/choulders/waist are all fine. Teh problem I have is with my thighs, calves, and butt. I have cyclists calves which mean they are way bigger than 'normal' but I managed to cajole the zipper down the leg with some patience. There are no hip or thigh pads on this suit but frankly I couldn't have pads and still get into the legs. OK, so after I get off my winter lard-ass the thighs will slim down some but not a whole lot. But my concern with my shoulder/butt. The suit seems to be a wee bit too short. When I'm sitting down on the bike my butt looks big ^H^H^H^H^H^H slides up the back of the suit (into that ribbed expansion section) some and I can feel a definate pull on my shoulders. Is this ok for a brand new suit that's not broken in? Do suits stretch? Do I need to go with the next size up? The used suits I tried on from various listers were too big in the chest/shoulder areas. (size 42 and 44) Did I focus on the wrong issue of sizing? I can model it for somebody if they want to give me an in-person appraisal. I'm 5'11 and 180lbs. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 13:28:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11008.mail.yahoo.com (web11008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JISsU06771 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:28:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010319182853.29486.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11008.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:28:53 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:28:53 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Test/Class/Language To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A friend of mine is having a very difficult time passing the written MVA motorcycle test. The problem is language and not knowledge she has riden before in her home country and has been studying the book very thouroghly. She wants now to take the Safety Course so she can avoid the test. but all the courses in Montgomery county are full and she does not have a car to travel to Annapolis where the is a class with room. Are there approved private courses? Is there some way to get into a full class if she brings her own bike? Are the test questions posted somewhere? They are public information I assume? Is there an instructor around who speaks Hebrew? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Trey 99 Trophy 1200 BRG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 14:13:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JJDGU07542 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip252.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.252]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09872; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:13:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB65AC4.CBDD3B0C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:15:16 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Matthew Patton Subject: Re: 1-piece leathers, help in fitting References: <20010319173903.28594.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, What size (dress) suit do you normally wear? This is generally a good indicator of what size m/c suit you would wear. Sounds like you should've erred in the other direction (gone with the "baggy" chest). That could probably be altered by a competent leathersmith (e.g., Bedo's in Falls Church). But making the legs fit if they're too small/snug is probably not possible (and if possible, probably not easy or cheap). Is it too late to return the suit and exchange it for the size 42? That would be my recommendation. Does the suit have stretch panels (non-leather, usually Kevlar)? How about an "accordian" panel? These usually provide a certain amount of "give" for small variations in sizing/fit. It could just be that your body size/type needs a custom suit. Do you normally fit into off-the-rack men's clothing? Or do you generally have to have alterations? If the latter, then it's likely that off-the-rack m/c clothing isn't going to fit you so well either. One other (possible) solution. Get a 2-piece (full zip around) suit, but with the "right" size jacket (40) and pants (42). I don't know whether anyone will actually let you do this, but it might work. Chuck Matthew Patton wrote : > > I own a FieldSheer suit (brand new) and wore it on for the first time on the bike for my jaunt to Annapolis and back Saturday morning. I wonder if I got the right size. I have a size 40. I initially ordered a 42 but the chest area was a bit loose and baggy. With the 40, the chest/choulders/waist are all fine. Teh problem I have is with my thighs, calves, and butt. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 14:23:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f297.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JJNuU07761 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:23:49 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:23:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: trey_22206@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Test/Class/Language Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:23:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2001 19:23:49.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[203A6280:01C0B0AA] Trey, I don't know about the rest of your questions, but the last time I checked, one has to take (and pass) the written test before one is allowed to take the driving test. Attending the MSF course does not change that requirement. If I recall the basic order, correctly: >Take, and pass, written test >Take, and pass, eye test >Pay money ---> Get Learner's Permit >Attend MSF and/or practice with licensed operator and/or wait some time >Take, and pass, "road" test >Pay money? ---> Get license with MC endorsement Good luck! Perry >From: Trey Herb >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Test/Class/Language >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:28:53 -0800 (PST) > >A friend of mine is having a very difficult time >passing the written MVA motorcycle test. The problem >is language and not knowledge she has riden before in >her home country and has been studying the book very >thouroghly. > >She wants now to take the Safety Course so she can >avoid the test. but all the courses in Montgomery >county are full and she does not have a car to travel >to Annapolis where the is a class with room. > >Are there approved private courses? > >Is there some way to get into a full class if she >brings her own bike? > >Are the test questions posted somewhere? They are >public information I assume? > >Is there an instructor around who speaks Hebrew? > >Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. > > >Trey > >99 Trophy 1200 BRG > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 14:55:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JJtlU08272 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 24-168-209-35.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.168.209.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 19:55:46 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Test/Class/Language Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:55:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20010319182853.29486.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Passing the MSF class only gets you out of the road portion of the test, not the written. Don't know if the questions are posted anywhere - sorry. Be nice to Louis - I'm pretty sure he speaks some Hebrew. LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Trey Herb said: A friend of mine is having a very difficult time passing the written MVA motorcycle test. The problem is language and not knowledge she has riden before in her home country and has been studying the book very thouroghly. She wants now to take the Safety Course so she can avoid the test. but all the courses in Montgomery county are full and she does not have a car to travel to Annapolis where the is a class with room. Are there approved private courses? Is there some way to get into a full class if she brings her own bike? Are the test questions posted somewhere? They are public information I assume? Is there an instructor around who speaks Hebrew? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 14:57:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JJvQU08366 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 24-168-209-35.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.168.209.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 19:57:20 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Test/Class/Language Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:57:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Not in VA (at least in '94). I took the MSF class and then took the written test and got my endorsement. No intermediate steps. LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Perry Coleman said: I don't know about the rest of your questions, but the last time I checked, one has to take (and pass) the written test before one is allowed to take the driving test. Attending the MSF course does not change that requirement. If I recall the basic order, correctly: >Take, and pass, written test >Take, and pass, eye test >Pay money ---> Get Learner's Permit >Attend MSF and/or practice with licensed operator and/or wait some time >Take, and pass, "road" test >Pay money? ---> Get license with MC endorsement _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 15:08:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A04D.pix.aol.com [152.163.160.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JK8XU08538 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.0.31.252]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04984 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2JKCGQ03881 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:12:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:12:16 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: To: DC-CYCLES Subject: RE: Test/Class/Language In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Lin_Tan wrote: > Not in VA (at least in '94). I took the MSF class and then took the written > test and got my endorsement. No intermediate steps. I did this Fall of '99. took the MSF course fri-sun, walked into the DMV on Monday, took the written test, got my license, went out for a ride. Unless they've changed it since then, that still holds true. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 15:38:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JKc3U09042 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GAG00LBJP853U@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:36:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GAG00801P7H06@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:36:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GAG003GAP7EVH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:35:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:35:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Leon in the news again To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <3AB66D7C.F9A6248@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en FYI, one of our own making the paper (again...) :) Go Leon! > H, > Leon made the "plugged in" section of the Balmer Sun > today- front cover above the fold. I sent him an > email and saved a few sections for him. > > R -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 15:51:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from evatac.com ([206.107.135.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JKpEU09325 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.168.242.90] (216.168.242.90) by evatac.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:50:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: johnw@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:50:26 -0500 To: "DC-CYCLES" From: John West Subject: RE: Test/Class/Language Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" My wife took the MSF class and got her endorsement last summer. There's a new portion: get learner's permit. She took the class, went right to the DMV and passed the written test, and was handed a learner's permit. Apparently, the law in VA now says you have to have held a learner's permit for 30 days before you can be issued a full license. Even though she didn't have to take the road test and had passed the written she still had to wait 30 days. (Not that she got out of the parking lot for the first 2 or 3 months...) It wasn't that way when I got mine. -john '91 CBR600 At 2:57 PM -0500 3/19/01, Lin_Tan wrote: >Not in VA (at least in '94). I took the MSF class and then took the written >test and got my endorsement. No intermediate steps. > >LindaT. >Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) >00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > >Perry Coleman said: >I don't know about the rest of your questions, but the last time I checked, >one has to take (and pass) the written test before one is allowed to take >the driving test. Attending the MSF course does not change that requirement. > >If I recall the basic order, correctly: > > >Take, and pass, written test > >Take, and pass, eye test > >Pay money >---> Get Learner's Permit > >Attend MSF and/or practice with licensed operator and/or wait some time > >Take, and pass, "road" test > >Pay money? >---> Get license with MC endorsement > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 16:00:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JL0JU09498 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from NulgunNukdae@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id p.ed.115368e (16215); Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (aimmail06.aim.aol.com [205.188.144.198]) by air-in01.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:59:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:59:04 -0500 From: NulgunNukdae@XXXXXX To: pauinfo@XXXXXX Cc: drgridlock@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thanks, neighbors! Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0078FA0A.7F26DC2C.36C040CD@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Franklin Webmailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I would like to take this opportunity to offer my heartfelt thanks to the Maryland State Police for making such a widely viewed media event of the crackdown on sportbike hooliganism. M- I have noticed a definite change in the quality of my life since that event. M- In fact, the change becomes more pronounced every day. You see, I am a year round motorcycle commuter. M- I ride a sportbike and wear full protective leathers. M- There is no mistaking me for Captain America, even at a distance. M- In spite of the fact that virtually all of my commuting and pleasure riding takes place in Virginia, visiting drivers from Maryland have introduced me to a new attitude. M- The attitude that it is open season on sportbike riders and if one is from Maryland, one has the right to make those riders' lives more interesting. In the past month, once on the George Washington Parkway and twice in Alexandria city proper, the drivers of working vehicles bearing Maryland license plates have purposely swerved their trucks, with apparent murderous intent, into my lane from the on-coming lane of traffic. M- This occurrence is not new for me, such incidents started last summer and the frequency and apparent deliberateness has been increasing. M- Having commuted for years, I can reliably differentiate between an act of boneheaded negligence and one that is intentional. M- Drivers reacting to an oversight brought to their attention will often wave, or at least display surprise by indicating the number of their AKC registered parents. M- Someone swerving at me from the on-coming lane, who is making eye contact to appraise my reaction to his homicidal urge cannot be considered inattentive. Because the MSP have not publicly admitted the shameful, gratuitous pandering they engaged in for virtually no result since last year, I fully expect these episodes to continue with increasing frequency. M- Before the crackdown, it was rare but not unanticipated for drivers to show thoughtless rudeness that could result in my serious injury or death. M- Some drivers are simply stupid or remiss around motorcycles. M- However, for the MSP to proudly display their own penis envy and tacitly recruit other inadequate, quarter-wits to the cause of putting sportbikers "in their place" is unconscionable. M- I do not believe it was an intentional act on the part of the MSP to accomplish this, but it is my belief they have been successful just the same. M- Unfortunately, I'm fairly certain those who are responsible are too gutless, morally bankrupt, and dissipated to repair their mistake. Thanks, neighbors! Steven D. Smith P.O. Box 92 Alexandria, VA 22313 703-567-2252 __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 16:17:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JLHtU09793 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-29.patriot.net [209.249.181.29]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2JLH5027059; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:17:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB67600.3DA45CE5@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:11:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John West CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Test/Class/Language References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John West wrote: > My wife took the MSF class and got her endorsement last summer. > There's a new portion: get learner's permit. > > She took the class, went right to the DMV and passed the written > test, and was handed a learner's permit. Apparently, the law in VA > now says you have to have held a learner's permit for 30 days before > you can be issued a full license. > > Even though she didn't have to take the road test and had passed the > written she still had to wait 30 days. (Not that she got out of the > parking lot for the first 2 or 3 months...) > > It wasn't that way when I got mine. Heh, when I got mine, shortly after the invention of the spark plug, I took a short test on paper with a pencil, and then under the squinted eye of a state trooper rode a figure eight in the parking lot. Happy motoring, kid. Hopefully, the DMV has streamlined the learners permit thang. It was new last year and what a mess for motorcycles. Us instructors had a hard time keeping up with all the "interpretations" of the LP law. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 16:50:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13004.mail.yahoo.com (web13004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JLotU10395 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:50:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010319215054.38872.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.215.155.8] by web13004.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:50:54 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:50:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Test/Class/Language To: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Lin_Tan wrote: > Passing the MSF class only gets you out of the road portion of the test, not > the written. > > Don't know if the questions are posted anywhere - sorry. > > Be nice to Louis - I'm pretty sure he speaks some Hebrew. Err... sorry, my second language is Sign Language. I can say "Shalom" and "Oy Vey" but that's about it. It's been about 15 years since my last Hebrew class. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 16:53:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JLrdU10406 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26216 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Mar 2001 21:53:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010319215338.26215.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:53:37 -0500 Subject: MCN spring value guide? did I miss the issue or has it not been released quite yet? -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be presidented so bad, they should have voted for impeachment." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 17:03:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JM3EU10572 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.85.862f245 (18555) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:03:02 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85.862f245.27e7dc16@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:03:02 EST Subject: Re: MCN spring value guide? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 It's in the March edition. Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 17:25:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JMPmU10940 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Gary Foreman'" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:23:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The point of all of which is that driving is an activity that should only be undertaken with the utmost seriousness and lucidity. We know this as bikers, even though we have lost more than a few of our sistren and brethren to riding under "altered mental states." I don't rightly know what a reasonable AND ENFORCEABLE approach might be. But it is clear that far too many people are piloting motor vehicles who are either naturally or by some self-induced condition incapable of carrying out their obligation to the community to protect it from their negligence. And BTW, I have also mentioned "packing heat" before. And I, too, have only meant it in the most jesting, "wouldn't EVER do it" kind of way, just like I am sure Matthew meant it. Like so many other things, seeing perps instantly and properly punished is just a fantasy I entertain. I'll spare you some of the others... -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:55 AM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA I hope they also make: "Drive Now, Put On Makeup later" "Drive Now, Eat Later" "Drive Now, Read Later" "Drive Now, Sightsee Later" "Drive Now, Pick Your Nose Later" "Drive Now, Beat Your Kids Later" "Drive Now, Play With The Radio Later" "Drive Now, Smoke Later" "Drive Now, Snuggle Later" -----Original Message----- From: Erick Singley [mailto:singley@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:40 AM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA > >From: "Goldberg, Saul" > >...snip > >And speaking of the good doctor, I noted with some >amount of smugness that he finally conceded, after only about five years of >overwhelming evidence, both anecdotal and scientific that one cannot drive >as competently while talking on a cell phone as when one's full attention is >on the driving.< > >The AMA may still have 4x4 yellow stickers promoting "Drive Now, Talk >Later!". My rear bag has been sporting one for a few weeks and I haven't >been attacked. And I've passed out a few. Try emailing >gsweet@XXXXXX (Gary Sweet) with quantity and send-to address. > >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 --> I want to talk via Onstar >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. If they are out of them, there is a funny radio show (WAMU 88.50 FM Sat 8:00 AM-9:00 AM & WETA 90.90 FM Sat 10:00 AM-11:00 AM) called "Car Talk" which discusses car repair problems. They ranted last Saturday about phones and driving and offered their own free bumper sticker [has their logo/name on it also]-> http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Drive-Now/bumper-sticker.html Erick From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 17:31:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2JMVPU11094 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:31:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010319223124.28964.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.177] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:31:24 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:31:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Test/Class/Language To: Perry Coleman , trey_22206@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the state of maryland produces a handbook (available at the mva) which contains all of the information tested on the written m/c exam. the questions on the test are a bit odd, and reading the state's idea of what is "correct" will help immensely. according to friends who have had to retake that exam, you will see the same stupid questions again and again and again and again..... --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Trey, > > I don't know about the rest of your questions, but the > last time I checked, > one has to take (and pass) the written test before one is > allowed to take > the driving test. Attending the MSF course does not > change that requirement. > > If I recall the basic order, correctly: > > >Take, and pass, written test > >Take, and pass, eye test > >Pay money > ---> Get Learner's Permit > >Attend MSF and/or practice with licensed operator and/or > wait some time > >Take, and pass, "road" test > >Pay money? > ---> Get license with MC endorsement > > Good luck! > > Perry > > >From: Trey Herb > >To: DC-Cycles > >Subject: Test/Class/Language > >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:28:53 -0800 (PST) > > > >A friend of mine is having a very difficult time > >passing the written MVA motorcycle test. The problem > >is language and not knowledge she has riden before in > >her home country and has been studying the book very > >thouroghly. > > > >She wants now to take the Safety Course so she can > >avoid the test. but all the courses in Montgomery > >county are full and she does not have a car to travel > >to Annapolis where the is a class with room. > > > >Are there approved private courses? > > > >Is there some way to get into a full class if she > >brings her own bike? > > > >Are the test questions posted somewhere? They are > >public information I assume? > > > >Is there an instructor around who speaks Hebrew? > > > >Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 17:39:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JMd3U11198 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:36:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Matthew Patton'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:36:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Car Guys actually have a recording of some geek who was a candidate for office calling in and he HAD AN ACCIDENT WHILE HE WAS TALKING TO THEM!!!! But I agree that all talk shows should begin their screening by ascertaining first that the caller is out of traffic with the engine off. Right now, some of them only "advise" the callers to "be careful," as if such an admonition has any effect whatsoever. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" stickers from AMA > "Car Talk" which discusses car repair problems. Yeah but don't the majority of their callers use their cellphones while driving to call in? Are they going to put these people on their air, publicly tell them to get off the air and then drop their call till their listeners get the drift? Zero-tolerance, I say. -- "Civilization can only begin when sex is restrained." - Sigmond Freud _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 18:05:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f212.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.212]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JN5UU11719 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:05:24 -0800 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:05:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: swearing out warrant Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:05:24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2001 23:05:24.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[147411C0:01C0B0C9] Based on my experiance in VA the first step would be to contact the appropriate local law enforcers. I'd say the state police if on an interstate. >From: "Gary Foreman" >To: >Subject: RE: swearing out warrant >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:26:16 -0500 > >Hot Damn! The GUN Thread is back!!! > >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:46 AM >To: Matthew Patton >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: swearing out warrant > > > > >Matthew Patton wrote: > > > So, how do I swear out a warrant for a MD driver? I'm VA. It's a pity >brandishing is a crime... A few holes in his tires would have been rather >nice. > >And y`all wonder why many worry about folks packing heat. A few holes in >his tires would be way more than "brandishing". Firing, even a pellet gun, >at an occupied vehicle is a serious felony - jail time, richly deseerved. >And no more guns for you, a relief for us peace loving citizens. > >Bill > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 18:30:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2JNUnU12164 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (p61.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.189]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28885 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:30:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB696E4.2070402@radix.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:31:48 -0500 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks, neighbors! References: <0078FA0A.7F26DC2C.36C040CD@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Komrade Steve lambasted the Maryland Stasi > I would like to take this opportunity to offer my heartfelt thanks > to the Maryland State Police for making such a widely viewed media > event of the crackdown on sportbike hooliganism. Well, how else do you expect Col. Mitchell (aka, Col Klink) to justify keeping the Medevac Helo in the air for speed detail at 2600 smackers an hour, without some form of 'deviant enemy of society' to fight? And let's see, what demographic could they single out... hmm... let's see ... Blacks ? Nope, too much political heat on racial profiling. Senior citizens (responsible for more accidents than any other demographic) ? Nope, largest political lobby in the US, next to Insurance... I know, Sport Bikers. Their lobby is $hit, less than 10 percent of our radar unit budget. We'll crush the infidels like bugs, gaining more revenue for the Motherland too. > I have noticed a > definite change in the quality of my life since that event. In > fact, the change becomes more pronounced every day. You see, I > am a year round motorcycle commuter. I ride a sportbike and wear > full protective leathers. There is no mistaking me for Captain > America, even at a distance. In spite of the fact that virtually > all of my commuting and pleasure riding takes place in Virginia, > visiting drivers from Maryland have introduced me to a new > attitude. Introduce them to a new attitude at the next stopping point The attitude that it is open season on sportbike riders > and if one is from Maryland, one has the right to make those > riders' lives more interesting. In the past month, once on the > George Washington Parkway and twice in Alexandria city proper, the > drivers of working vehicles bearing Maryland license plates have > purposely swerved their trucks, with apparent murderous intent, > into my lane from the on-coming lane of traffic. This occurrence > is not new for me, such incidents started last summer and the > frequency and apparent deliberateness has been increasing. Having > commuted for years, I can reliably differentiate between an act of > boneheaded negligence and one that is intentional. Drivers > reacting to an oversight brought to their attention will often > wave, or at least display surprise by indicating the number of > their AKC registered parents. Someone swerving at me from the > on-coming lane, who is making eye contact to appraise my reaction > to his homicidal urge cannot be considered inattentive. Because > the MSP have not publicly admitted the shameful, gratuitous > pandering they engaged in for virtually no result since last year, > I fully expect these episodes to continue with increasing > frequency. Nah, that money's going to dry up, and it's only going to take one fatality where they need the med evac chopper while it's chasing speeders for this hideous waste of tax payer money to wither up & die. > Before the crackdown, it was rare but not unanticipated > for drivers to show thoughtless rudeness that could result in my > serious injury or death. Some drivers are simply stupid or remiss > around motorcycles. However, for the MSP to proudly display their > own penis envy and tacitly recruit other inadequate, quarter-wits > to the cause of putting sportbikers "in their place" is > unconscionable. I do not believe it was an intentional act on the > part of the MSP to accomplish this, but it is my belief they have > been successful just the same. Sure it was. MSP Cops don't like to miss out on writing a speeding ticket, particularly to ANY vehicle that can outrun them WITH a competent driver / rider. It's a form of Passive aggressive disorder. Pity them. > Unfortunately, I'm fairly certain > those who are responsible are too gutless, morally bankrupt, and > dissipated to repair their mistake. You mean Mitchell, Townsend & Glendening ? C'mon ?! Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 20:51:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2K1p1U14837 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-71-76.s330.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.71.76] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14fBIW-0006f1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:50:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c0b0e0$2b9dd220$4c472c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200103200001.f2K01L412824@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:50:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > From: "Chris Norloff" > Reply-To: > X-Sender: > To: > Subject: Cell phone use not so bad [was: VA Ticket/Lane Changes > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Goldberg, Saul" > >And speaking of the good doctor, I noted with some > >amount of smugness that he finally conceded, after only about five years of > >overwhelming evidence, both anecdotal and scientific that one cannot drive > >as competently while talking on a cell phone as when one's full attention is > >on the driving. > > And here's some evidence that cell phones are the least worst distraction in cars: > > AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/16 /MN120780.DTL Thanks for the heads up Chris...I don't buy it. Be it anecdotal or factual, I know what I see. And I see a lot more idiot behaviour by cell phone users than McD's burger gobblers.... "While many people consider drivers chatting on their phones to be a hazard, and surmise that they must be causing a lot of accidents, the study found otherwise. Using or dialing a cell phone was the source of distraction in just 1.5 percent of the crashes." -- From the article. The AAA is doing it's members a disservice with this drivel. Glad I'm no longer one of there members. The study is not scientific. It is a tally of police reports of what the officers in charge "believed" caused the accident. Most times, the officer is not there to witness and must rely on those involved in the accident for testimony. I was actually thinking this though on the way home tonight as I watched a Cell-Phone to the ear Blondie in her shiny Cattera dart in and out of traffic nearly rear-ending at least two people. If she had, would she readily admit to having been yakking on the phone to the officer that writes these reports? Probably not. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 21:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from k-kdom.nishanet.com ([63.168.126.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2K2TuU15426 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from brownleeb.pressroom.com ([204.94.239.173]) by k-kdom.nishanet.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA252 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:53:38 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010319211347.00adfa60@mail.pressroom.com> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:29:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: COG Ride (etc, digest impared poster) In-Reply-To: <200103200001.f2K01L412824@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed to the many who have admitted to coming out the IPW i wanted to introduce myself, i was one of the wide-eyed idiots trying to digest all the stuff we were getting crammed into our heads..... i was mostly too busy to introduce myself, and besides, it probably would have sounded like "fweeb, gubble hinsuf arfum" since my face was pretty much frozen (although not nearly as cold as our february 10 day on the range). Anyway, thanks for the help and i look forward to meeting you all someday under better conditions. feel free to contact me off-list. i was wearing a rather new (unfortunately) red aerostich suit and mostly engaging in random body movements aimed at fighting off frostbite.... all i could say was "at least its not hot...." thankfully, it did rain on us too... Bruce Brownlee '95 FLHTC-U/I (1939/2000) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 21:35:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gillian.brauhausdc.org (64-32-227-14.dca1.phoenixdsl.net [64.32.227.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2K2ZVU15586 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 64-32-227-14.dca1.phoenixdsl.net (64-32-227-14.dca1.phoenixdsl.net [64.32.227.14]) by gillian.brauhausdc.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2K2Z8R23360 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:35:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:35:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: RE: Test/Class/Language In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, John West wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:50:26 -0500 > From: John West > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: RE: Test/Class/Language > > > My wife took the MSF class and got her endorsement last summer. > There's a new portion: get learner's permit. > > She took the class, went right to the DMV and passed the written > test, and was handed a learner's permit. Apparently, the law in VA > now says you have to have held a learner's permit for 30 days before > you can be issued a full license. Not only is it 30 days -- its the 30 days prior to taking the road test. As in, if you have a permit and it lapses, but you go and retake the test and get a permit again, you still have to wait 30 days before you're allowed to take the road test. In my opinion, the laws in Virginia are not set up in a way that would encourage people to get safe and legal about riding motorcycles. On top of this, MSF classes -- which are probably the most viable way of getting motorcycle training before getting licensed -- are very limited and very difficult to get into. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 22:32:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2K3W7U16546 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 19376 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 19:31:02 -0800 Received: from 2Cust57.tnt9.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.15.224.185) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 19:31:02 -0800 X-Sent: 20 Mar 2001 03:31:02 GMT Message-ID: <003a01c0b0ed$fdf4f200$b9e00f3f@oemcomputer> From: "LAG" To: Subject: testing Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:29:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0B0C4.14019320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0B0C4.14019320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just wanted to check to see if the new account I set up is working. = Sorry for the bandwidth. ;-) ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0B0C4.14019320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0B0C4.14019320-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 19 22:53:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2K3ruU16975 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-29.patriot.net [209.249.181.29]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2K3rl029166; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:53:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB6D2FC.ACD72CF3@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:48:12 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel H. Brown" CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Test/Class/Language References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel H. Brown wrote: > In my opinion, the laws in Virginia are not set up in a way that would > encourage people to get safe and legal about riding motorcycles. On top of > this, MSF classes -- which are probably the most viable way of getting > motorcycle training before getting licensed -- are very limited and > very difficult to get into. > I'll agree that the new VA laws are rather disorganized. But the MSF classes are running full bore, with what's available. The limitations are sites, equipment, and instructors. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 01:03:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gillian.brauhausdc.org (64-32-227-14.dca1.phoenixdsl.net [64.32.227.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2K63lU19002 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 64-32-227-14.dca1.phoenixdsl.net (64-32-227-14.dca1.phoenixdsl.net [64.32.227.14]) by gillian.brauhausdc.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2K63lR23584 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:03:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:03:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Test/Class/Language In-Reply-To: <3AB6D2FC.ACD72CF3@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, William J. Huson wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:48:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: Test/Class/Language > > Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > > In my opinion, the laws in Virginia are not set up in a way that would > > encourage people to get safe and legal about riding motorcycles. On top of > > this, MSF classes -- which are probably the most viable way of getting > > motorcycle training before getting licensed -- are very limited and > > very difficult to get into. > > > > I'll agree that the new VA laws are rather disorganized. But the MSF classes > are running full bore, with what's available. The limitations are sites, > equipment, and instructors. If I'm not mistaken, MSF gets some funding from the state?? If this is the case, I'd love to see some letter writing and lobbying towards more funding for MSF in order to, hopefully, help ease the limitations of sites, equipment and instructors. From what I've seen, MSF is the best thats available, and they do the best with what they've got. I just wish there was more of them to go around!!! I think that having more people trained and encouraged to ride motorcycles would be generally good for everyone. Less polution, less crowded roads, less crowded parking, more happy, smiling, energized, leather/kevlar wearing people, etc. (I suspect I preach to the choir...) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 02:40:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2K7eMU21217 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id m.d9.11ce7230 (4313); Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:40:12 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:40:12 EST Subject: Guns and warrants To: pawilson@XXXXXX, the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d9.11ce7230.27e8635c_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 344 --part1_d9.11ce7230.27e8635c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/Forum17/HTML/002467.html THIS is the ultimate argument for each side of the debate. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_d9.11ce7230.27e8635c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/Forum17/HTML/002467.html

THIS is the ultimate argument for each side of the debate.


Bill Gawthrop
Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_d9.11ce7230.27e8635c_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 07:38:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KCcqU25960 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13086; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:38:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:38:47 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-CYCLES Subject: RE: Test/Class/Language In-Reply-To: <20010319215054.38872.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nu? Isn't Oy Vey Yiddush? :) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > --- Lin_Tan wrote: > > Passing the MSF class only gets you out of the road portion of the test, not > > the written. > > > > Don't know if the questions are posted anywhere - sorry. > > > > Be nice to Louis - I'm pretty sure he speaks some Hebrew. > > Err... sorry, my second language is Sign Language. I can say "Shalom" and "Oy > Vey" but that's about it. It's been about 15 years since my last Hebrew class. > > Louis > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Alexandria, VA > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > > Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 07:50:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KCoHU26198 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:47:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: FGrefe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MCN spring value guide? Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:47:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" [beg. shameless self promo:] And in the April edition, if you're interested, you can find my story about the Harley rental business. This is the more nuts and bolts approach to the industry, whereas the story I did for the Washington Post last year was more about the experience. The latter story is reprinted on the DC-Cycles Web site, at http://www.dccycles.com/borntobemild.htm. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: FGrefe@XXXXXX [mailto:FGrefe@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 5:03 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MCN spring value guide? It's in the March edition. Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 08:17:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KDH4U26582 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:17:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:16:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200103200816.AA126812606@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles , Subject: Re: Schuberth Concept Helmet X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "E. Rittershausen" >2) The explanation of why their helmet isn't snell certified is a load. > From the schuberth web site: >"...Because the Schuberth >Concept helmet was not intended for racing applications, it was not >submitted to Snell for certification. ...." That's a correct answer and a reasonable one, I think. They're merely saying that DOT certification is adequate - many people agree with that. >AFAIK, there is NO snell standard for flip-ups, and helmet companies >were unwilling to have them tested as normal full face designs, but >didn't want them tested as open face either. More knowledge about Snell can be found on their web site (http://www.smf.org/faqs.html): "Why won't Snell certify some types of helmets like flip up front designs? Snell does not dismiss out of hand, any helmet design that strays from the conventional. Snell does not point out any design specifications, other than general requirements in our standards. We are however, always concerned with innovations and new designs that may effect the helmet's ability to protect the wearer, or in some cases the helmets potential to cause injury. At present, the Foundation has not had the opportunity to test any of the flip up front type helmets. So far, we can not find any fault with these designs as long as they are used according to the manufacturers instructions. We will also certify any size of helmet as long as it meets the same requirements as any other Snell certified helmet. " the best helmet is a reasonable helmet (not a beanie) that is comfortable for you to wear all the time, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 08:17:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KDHfU26592 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-52-212.s212.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.212]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14fM16-00042a-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:17:41 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 96-99 gsxr 750 stock gearing-chain size? Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:22:36 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2KDHgU26593 96-99 gsxr 750 anyone know the stock gearing and chain size? also anyone know the recommended set up? tnx Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 08:21:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KDLMU26671 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:21:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:21:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200103200821.AA126943678@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Todd Peer" >I was actually thinking this though on the way home tonight as I watched a >Cell-Phone to the ear Blondie in her shiny Cattera dart in and out of >traffic nearly rear-ending at least two people. If she had, would she >readily admit to having been yakking on the phone to the officer that writes >these reports? Probably not. Agreed. Without witnesses or self-confession, I'm sure a lot of cell-talking-wreckers aren't tallied. Sort of like the universal excuse for cutting someone off: "I didn't see him.", eh? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 08:27:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KDRTU26754 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-141.his.com [216.32.85.141]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA12750 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:27:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010320082735.01076a34@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:27:38 -0800 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:50 PM 3/19/01 -0500, Todd Peer wrote: >Thanks for the heads up Chris...I don't buy it. Be it anecdotal or factual, >I know what I see. And I see a lot more idiot behaviour by cell phone users >than McD's burger gobblers.... The issue with cell phones reminds me of the ABS thing. When insurance companies found out that cars equipped with ABS cost them just as much money paid (in some cases more) as a result of auto accidents as cars without ABS, they began to stop giving discounts for cars equipped with ABS. A lot of people held the belief that ABS had to be less costly, despite clear overwhelming evidence to the contrary. In a few years, once there is enough sampling to see a clear trend, we will know if cell phones cause more accidents, as the insurance companies will start charging a surcharge for a installed car phone or periodic cell phone usage. Before someone erroneously pipes up that the insurance companies will place a additional charge on any risk they can because they are evil companies, you should know that any rate change in a specific state has to be approved by the states insurance commissioner, who is an elected official in most states, and is always prone to take the consumer's side of an issue because they are thinking about their next election. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 08:31:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KDVwU26851 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-141.his.com [216.32.85.141]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA14391 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:31:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010320083204.01078e64@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:32:06 -0800 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:21 AM 3/20/01 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >Agreed. Without witnesses or self-confession, I'm sure a lot of cell-talking-wreckers aren't tallied. > >Sort of like the universal excuse for cutting someone off: "I didn't see him.", eh? To play devils advocate (I have not read the study) one could argue that the people who have accidents caused by tape decks, CD players, auto video systems are also prone to not confess the true cause of their accidents, and those causes would also need a witness as well. Its a double edged sword. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 08:35:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2KDZgU26930 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:35:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010320133541.859.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.39.245] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:35:41 PST Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:35:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Test/Class/Language To: "William J. Huson" , John West Cc: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <3AB67600.3DA45CE5@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii just so you guys know, the original question concerns Maryland's system of licensing we're trying to figure out how to bypass the knowledge test in Maryland. the law allows for it, but it is unclear at this point just how one goes about doing it. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > John West wrote: > > > My wife took the MSF class and got her endorsement last > summer. > > There's a new portion: get learner's permit. > > > > She took the class, went right to the DMV and passed > the written > > test, and was handed a learner's permit. Apparently, > the law in VA > > now says you have to have held a learner's permit for > 30 days before > > you can be issued a full license. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 08:52:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KDqVU27161 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-203.patriot.net [209.249.180.203]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2KDqT018002; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:52:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB75F4C.B03253AD@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:46:52 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Harris CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook References: <3.0.32.20010320082735.01076a34@his.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen Harris wrote: > Before someone erroneously pipes up that the insurance companies will > place a additional charge on any risk they can because they are evil > companies, you should know that any rate change in a specific state has to > be approved by the states insurance commissioner, who is an elected > official in most states, and is always prone to take the consumer's side of > an issue because they are thinking about their next election. > My personal experinace with VAs insurance commissioner is exactly the opposite of consumer protection. My complaint was blown off. The ins commish said I had no grounds to sanction New York Life for thier lying, cheating sales practices. A few years later the New York courts slam dunked NYL for exactly what I had complained about. So much for VAs ins commish being fair to the consumer. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 09:01:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KE1XU27339 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:58:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Stephen Harris'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:58:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, those activities are also distractions. However, there is a quantitative AND qualitative difference between changing the radio station, the tape, the CD, or lighting a smoke, or any of the other minimal diversions. That does not obviate their potential for disaster. It only puts it into perspective. A phone call typically takes some amount of time (much more than pushing a radio button), so it has duration. And it also demands that the driver conjure up an image of the person on the other end; don't minimize the importance of this seldom-mentioned aspect of cell-phone driving! Furthermore, since it is so "urgent," we can also conclude that the call involves some degree of emotional energy, which not only distracts from driving, but also lays another level of agitation onto an already tense and precarious situation. Yes, burger chomping, make-up putting, reading, etc, should all stop. But phone-calling is much more ubiquitous, and becoming more so with each passing minute. As I said earlier, I do not believe that most people fully understand, much less act on the gravity of what it means to control a motor vehicle. I stand by that assessment. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Harris [mailto:harris@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:28 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook At 08:50 PM 3/19/01 -0500, Todd Peer wrote: >Thanks for the heads up Chris...I don't buy it. Be it anecdotal or factual, >I know what I see. And I see a lot more idiot behaviour by cell phone users >than McD's burger gobblers.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 09:03:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KE3WU27354 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-137.his.com [216.32.85.137]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27783 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:03:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010320090338.0107a8a0@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:03:41 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:46 AM 3/20/01 -0500, Bill wrote: >So much for VAs ins commish being fair to the consumer. > >Bill Your story is exactly why, on election day, I try know more about the judges & commissioners on the ballot than the legislative candidates. They have a more far reaching effect. Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 09:22:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KEM9U27668 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-52-212.s212.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.212]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14fN1U-0006yc-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:22:08 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cheap painting in MD? Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:27:04 -0800 Message-ID: <7g4fbtkv157ksk5bblt0bblsmcr7svv3gl@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f2KEMAU27669 I want to get some replacement (mitchmatched used) fairings painted.. preferably in maryland... A standard all black paintjob would be fine.. maybe at some autobody shop.. or some guy who does race bikes.. can anyone point me somewhere? Hey matt, your superhawk looks good? Want to do some more painting? heh heh Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 09:51:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KEpnU28104 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:51:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gutless LEOs/Bureaucrats/Politicians Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:51:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain -----Steve ranted, to which Dave Yates opined:----- > >> Unfortunately, I'm fairly certain those who are responsible are >> too gutless, morally bankrupt, and dissipated to repair their mistake. > > You mean Mitchell, Townsend & Glendening ? C'mon ?! Sorry about posting from the alternate e-mail account, it was a matter of necessity at the time, and I didn't take the time to offer my fellow listers the 411 beforehand, for which I apologize. I called the Alexandria police and gave them a tag number and vehicle description. The dispatcher with whom I spoke said a captain in the reckless driving section would be handling my complaint. Haven't heard anything yet, but I promised (on tape) that I would write/sign/testify to anything required to nail the stupid git to a wall. Who knows, maybe something wonderful will happen. MC Happy (Holding my breath, you bet.) Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 10:02:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9706.mail.yahoo.com (web9706.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2KF2rU28265 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:02:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010320150252.48254.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.41] by web9706.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:02:52 PST Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:02:52 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: IPW / Stiches / Stereotypes To: DCC Cc: brownlee_b@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bruce wrote... >i was wearing a rather new (unfortunately) red >aerostich suit and mostly engaging in random body >movements aimed at fighting off frostbite.... all i >could say was "at least its not hot...." thankfully, >it did rain on us too... > >Bruce Brownlee >'95 FLHTC-U/I (1939/2000) I was wearing the un-moto green Carhart jacket, because my "good" jacket was all laid out with many swatches of velcro temporarily attached. The velcro will enable me to use Aerostich "replacement" armor in this jacket. You can't beat $15 / pad for elbows and shoulders. There is no excuse to ride without armor. Thanks, Colleen, for that tip. And it's a good thing I saw some 'Stich stuff being worn. I would have put the shoulder pads in with the long side going down the arm. Heh heh. Wear your 'Stich with pride. It's a great contrast to the HD. :) As Bill has been trying to teach us, stereotypes are nowhere. CU this weekend, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 10:09:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KF9DU28359 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip94.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.94]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05961; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:08:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB772D6.FC20E0A2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:10:14 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: 96-99 gsxr 750 stock gearing-chain size? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danny, Go to http://www.renthal.com. I believe they have a chart that will tell you what the stock gearing and chain size is for pretty much any "modern" motorcycles. They should also have a chart to tell you what gears they make available and in what chain sizes. Chuck daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > 96-99 gsxr 750 > > anyone know the stock gearing and chain size? > > also anyone know the recommended set up? > > tnx > > Danny -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 10:11:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web1201.mail.yahoo.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2KFBrU28382 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22669 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2001 15:11:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010320151152.22668.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.136] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:11:52 PST Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:11:52 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Rittershausen" Reply-To: etrigan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Schuberth Concept Helmet To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <200103200816.AA126812606@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "E. Rittershausen" > >2) The explanation of why their helmet isn't snell certified is a > load. > > From the schuberth web site: > >"...Because the Schuberth > >Concept helmet was not intended for racing applications, it was not > >submitted to Snell for certification. ...." > > > That's a correct answer and a reasonable one, I think. They're > merely saying that DOT certification is adequate - many people agree > with that. But what they're implying is that the Snell standard only applies to racing applications - they say as much in a section you snipped. If this were true, Snell wouldn't certify open face helmets (Correct me if I'm wrong, but do any motorcycle race classes allow open face helmets?) Rather than just say a Snell Cert. isn't necessary, they went out of their way to mislead. > >AFAIK, there is NO snell standard for flip-ups, and helmet companies > >were unwilling to have them tested as normal full face designs, but > >didn't want them tested as open face either. > > More knowledge about Snell can be found on their web site > (http://www.smf.org/faqs.html): > > "Why won't Snell certify some types of helmets like flip up front > designs? > Snell does not dismiss out of hand, any helmet design that strays > from the conventional. Snell does not point out any design > specifications, other than general requirements in our standards. We > are however, always concerned with innovations and new designs that > may effect the helmet's ability to protect the wearer, or in some > cases the helmets potential to cause injury. At present, the > Foundation has not had the opportunity to test any of the flip up > front type helmets. So far, we can not find any fault with these > designs as long as they are used according to the manufacturers > instructions. We will also certify any size of helmet as long as it > meets the same requirements as any other Snell certified helmet. " I don't think that changes what I said. For whatever reason, no manufacturer has decided they want to pay to have Snell test a flip-up helmet. They will pay to have open face hellmets tested. I'm just wondering why. > the best helmet is a reasonable helmet (not a beanie) that is > comfortable for you to wear all the time, > Chris Norloff Couldn't agree more. I'm not saying the Schuberth is a bad helmet - just that this point on their website struck me as a little off. Todd Todd > ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 12:29:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gigi.excite.com (gigi.excite.com [199.172.152.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KHTAU00834 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010320172848.CZZC21182.gigi.excite.com@prickles> for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:28:48 -0800 Message-ID: <26456679.985109328934.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:28:48 -0800 (PST) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: blackbird and zx-11 info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Ricardo, > Anyone have any experience with the following bikes? > i like how these 2 monsters look like. The zx-11 and > the honda cbr 11xx blackbird. Anyone know if these are > good bikes. How reliable are they? I stoped at the > moto store today, and they were working on 3 zx-11's? > Has anyone riden these bikes, if so how fast are they? I've got a 96 GPz, which is a ZX1100E. And I pretty much agree with Tom, Although I will say this in it's defense. It's a great two-up bike. I'm 6'3", 220lbs, and my girlfriend isn't what many people consider petite. I bearily notice her back there. The engine is plenty strong enough to pull both of us, and better yet it's relatively maintenence free. And it's a comfy bike for the long rides. On the down side, it's a complete pig. 550lbs *dry*! Wheel base is long, good for long rides, bad for "flickabily". The suspension could use some work too. Right now I'm saving my pennies for a more svelt bike. For someone who can only afford one bike the ZX1100 is something to look at. It does alot of things pretty well. But for someone who has particular needs there are better choices. And on a related note; You Go Steve!! _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 13:01:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KI1gU01434 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:01:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:01:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200103201301.AA29032930@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Stephen Harris > To play devils advocate (I have not read the study) one could argue that >the people who have accidents caused by tape decks, CD players, auto video >systems are also prone to not confess the true cause of their accidents, >and those causes would also need a witness as well. Its a double edged sword. > True indeed, and all those distractions scored as worse than cell phones. I just can't wait for in-car email, satnav, driving directions, etc. In the words of Bill the Cat: "Pbthppph!" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 13:40:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KIeHU02065 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:37:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Off Topic by a counrty mile: Crash! Study? Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:37:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" News flash: Not only is there a cell phone from which you can also do E-mail, check your stocks, surf the web, write your doctoral thesis on it, and order coffee to be delivered to you at the next stoplight. But it also comes with a mounting unit that includes a cup holder, has a place for a TV remote control, AND includes a holster for your cell phone/palmtop, all-in-one that mounts neatly ON YOUR STEERING WHEEL!!!! (Of course, the cup holder could also hold a 12-oz. can of...whatever.) Furthermore, the mounting bracket is loaded with a CO2 cartridge that launches it clear of your airbag (in case you spill your "whatever" on your phone, lose the Internet connection, and go into convulsions over the loss, thus crashing into the deer you didn't see). Now THAT's livin! -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:02 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Stephen Harris > To play devils advocate (I have not read the study) one could argue that >the people who have accidents caused by tape decks, CD players, auto video >systems are also prone to not confess the true cause of their accidents, >and those causes would also need a witness as well. Its a double edged sword. > True indeed, and all those distractions scored as worse than cell phones. I just can't wait for in-car email, satnav, driving directions, etc. In the words of Bill the Cat: "Pbthppph!" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 14:20:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KJKKU02868 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip247.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.247]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13016 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:20:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB7ADE3.CF82AF51@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:22:11 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Off Topic by a counrty mile: Crash! Study? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What??? No GUN holster??? "Goldberg, Saul" wrote: > > News flash: Not only is there a cell phone from which you can also do > E-mail, check your stocks, surf the web, write your doctoral thesis on it, > and order coffee to be delivered to you at the next stoplight. But it also > comes with a mounting unit that includes a cup holder, has a place for a TV > remote control, AND includes a holster for your cell phone/palmtop, > all-in-one that mounts neatly ON YOUR STEERING WHEEL!!!! (Of course, the cup > holder could also hold a 12-oz. can of...whatever.) Furthermore, the > mounting bracket is loaded with a CO2 cartridge that launches it clear of > your airbag (in case you spill your "whatever" on your phone, lose the > Internet connection, and go into convulsions over the loss, thus crashing > into the deer you didn't see). Now THAT's livin! -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 14:27:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KJRjU02984 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14fRkx-0005fY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:25:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:27:24 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Season of the bike (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -------------------------------------------------------- The Season of the Bike, by Dave Karlotski There is cold, and there is cold on a motorcycle. Cold on a motorcycle is like being beaten with cold hammers while being kicked with cold boots, a bone bruising cold. The wind's big hands squeeze the heat out of my body and whisk it away; caught in a cold October rain, the drops don't even feel like water. They feel like shards of bone fallen from the skies of Hell to pock my face. I expect to arrive with my cheeks and forehead streaked with blood, but that's just an illusion, just the misery of nerves not designed for highway speeds. (Editor's note: Ever think about a full face helmet?!) Despite this, it's hard to give up my motorcycle in the fall and I rush to get it on the road again in the spring; lapses of sanity like this are common among motorcyclists. When you let a motorcycle into your life you're changed forever. The letters "MC" are stamped on your driver's license right next to your sex and height as if "motorcycle" was just another of your physical characteristics, or maybe a mental condition. But when warm weather finally does come around all those cold snaps and rainstorms are paid in full because a motorcycle summer is worth any price. A motorcycle is not just a two-wheeled car; the difference between driving a car and climbing onto a motorcycle is the difference between watching TV and actually living your life. We spend all our time sealed in boxes, and cars are just the rolling boxes that shuffle us languidly from home-box to work-box to store-box and back, the whole time entombed in stale air, temperature regulated, sound insulated, and smelling of carpets. On a motorcycle I know I'm alive. When I ride, even the familiar seems strange and glorious. The air has weight and substance as I push through it and its touch is as intimate as water to a swimmer. I feel the cool wells of air that pool under trees and the warm spokes of sunlight that fall through them. I can see everything in a sweeping 360 degrees, up, down and around, wider than PanaVision and higher than IMAX and unrestricted by ceiling or dashboard. Sometimes I even hear music. It's like hearing phantom telephones in the shower or false doorbells when vacuuming; the pattern-loving brain, seeking signals in the noise, raises acoustic ghosts out of the wind's roar. But on a motorcycle I hear whole songs: rock 'n roll, dark orchestras, women's voices, all hidden in the air and released by speed. At 30 miles an hour and up, smells become uncannily vivid. All the individual tree-smells and flower-smells and grass-smells flit by like chemical notes in a great plant symphony. Sometimes the smells evoke memories so strongly that it's as though the past hangs invisible in the air around me, wanting only the most casual of rumbling time machines to unlock it. A ride on a summer afternoon can border on the rapturous. The sheer volume and variety of stimuli is like a bath for my nervous system, an electrical massage for my brain, a systems check for my soul. It tears smiles out of me: a minute ago I was dour, depressed, apathetic, numb, but now, on two wheels, big, ragged, smiles flap against the side of my face, billowing out of me like air from a decompressing plane. Transportation is only a secondary function. A motorcycle is a joy machine. It's a machine of wonders, a metal bird, a motorized prosthetic. It's light and dark and shiny and dirty and warm and cold lapping over each other; it's a conduit of grace, it's a catalyst for bonding the gritty and the holy. I still think of myself as a motorcycle amateur, but by now I've had a handful of bikes over a half dozen years and slept under my share of bridges. I wouldn't trade one second of either the good times or the misery. Learning to ride was one of the best things I've done. Cars lie to us and tell us we're safe, powerful, and in control. The air-conditioning fans murmur empty assurances and whisper, "Sleep, sleep." Motorcycles tell us a more useful truth: we are small and exposed, and probably moving too fast for our own good, but that's no reason not to enjoy every minute of the ride. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 14:29:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KJT8U03009 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-47-14.s268.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.14] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14fRoY-0006bE-00 ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:29:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c0b174$32f036a0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <3AB7ADE3.CF82AF51@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Off Topic by a counrty mile: Crash! Study? Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:29:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena > What??? No GUN holster??? > > "Goldberg, Saul" wrote: > > > > News flash: Not only is there a cell phone from which you can also do > > E-mail, check your stocks, surf the web, write your doctoral thesis on it, > > and order coffee to be delivered to you at the next stoplight. But it also > > comes with a mounting unit that includes a cup holder, has a place for a TV > > remote control, AND includes a holster for your cell phone/palmtop, > > all-in-one that mounts neatly ON YOUR STEERING WHEEL!!!! (Of course, the cup > > holder could also hold a 12-oz. can of...whatever.) Furthermore, the > > mounting bracket is loaded with a CO2 cartridge that launches it clear of > > your airbag (in case you spill your "whatever" on your phone, lose the > > Internet connection, and go into convulsions over the loss, thus crashing > > into the deer you didn't see). Now THAT's livin! > How about a feature that spills a hot latte in the driver's lap whenever he or she cuts someone off in traffic? Now there's aversion therapy for you. OB Moto: Can ejection motorcycle seats with parachutes be far behind? There's already some sort of "Michelin Man" inflatable suit under development that's supposed to act like an air bag for motorcyclists. P in DC From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 14:52:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KJqBU03413 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-88.s88.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.88] helo=pawilson) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14fSAn-0002vS-00 ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:52:06 -0500 Message-ID: <005001c0b177$6899ac20$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Daniel H. Brown" , "DC-CYCLES" References: Subject: Re: Test/Class/Language Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:49:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >From what I hear the biggest stumbling block with respect to expanding riding training is the lack of instructors. It's not really a money problem, although I wouldn't complain if they paid instructors more. Resources are there to set up more training sites, but there just aren't enough instructors. Next time there's an appeal for instructors, think about taking the Instructor Prep Workshop. Paul in DC Instructor-in-training (April/May IPW session) ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel H. Brown > > If I'm not mistaken, MSF gets some funding from the state?? If this is the > case, I'd love to see some letter writing and lobbying towards more funding > for MSF in order to, hopefully, help ease the limitations of sites, > equipment and instructors. From what I've seen, MSF is the best thats > available, and they do the best with what they've got. I just wish there > was more of them to go around!!! > > I think that having more people trained and encouraged to ride motorcycles > would be generally good for everyone. Less polution, less crowded roads, > less crowded parking, more happy, smiling, energized, leather/kevlar > wearing people, etc. > > (I suspect I preach to the choir...) > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 15:08:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KK8FU03699 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GAI009KBIL85B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:07:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GAI00F01IJQX3@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:07:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GAI00DOPIJLD7@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:06:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:06:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Valve Adjustment Demo - Dale City, VA To: DC Cycles List Cc: Zachariah Mully , Kevin Long , "Louis F. Caplan" , Onur Topac Message-id: <3AB7B844.13C33467@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en First off, apologies for the cross posts, but my Valve Adjustment demos are getting sort of popular, I just want to get the word out... COME ONE, COME ALL! Kawasaki Concours Valve Adjustment Open House at the Horkster's House. Date: 31 March, 2001 (Rain Date, 1 April) Time: 11:00 am - 6:00ish Where: Dale City, VA (Washington DC area) Why: Because paying dealers to adjust valves sucks... My 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" is approaching 60,000 miles - so it's time for it to get a much-needed Valve Adjustment. I plan on hosting an Open House at my home in Dale City, VA on Saturday, 31 March (weather permitting, since I don't have a garage or covered place to work, Rain Day will be Sunday April 1st, and no, this isn't a April Fool's joke - honest) starting around 11 am and going all day. I usually like to wait for big round numbers to show up on the odometer before performing maintenance chores, so I've been saving 'em up for the big 6-0. If you show up on Saturday, you can expect to see a big fat sweaty guy running around hurriedly performing the following: Concours bodywork removal tips Spark plug removal, clean, and check Oil Change, (featuring *both* oil drain screws!) Oil Filter & rubber o-ring change Shaft final drive bevel case oil change Concours Valve adjustment procedure Counterbalancer shaft adjustment Fuel petcock screen removal and cleaning Battery electrolyte check & fill Air Filter cleaning Carb Synch Idle Speed Adjustment This Open House welcome is extended to anyone who has an interest in the Kawasaki Concours and would like to see the valve adjust demo, and/or hang out with a handful of Connie-ridin' fools. And I'd also like to invite anyone local on the DC-Cycles mailing list who would like to drop by. I'm not sure how well the Concours translates to more modern bikes, but if you would like to see how Kawasaki screw-and-locknut 16-valve inline-4 water-cooled engines are adjusted - feel free to drop on by. If there are any Long-Distance types who want to ride in the night before, I might be able to arrange accomodations here, either tent space in the back yard, floor space inside, or maybe I can scout out a cheap motel or two nearby. I live in Dale City, Virginia, (USA, Earth...) about 20 miles south of Washington, DC, about 5 miles from I-95. Detailed directions to be sent later to those interested. If you want to come, I only ask two things: 1) Drop me an email, so I can have a rough idea of who will be coming. "Maybes" included. I'll send out detailed directions to my place to those who respond. 2) Bring food and beverages. I'll have ice and coolers here to stash stuff. The wife and kids will most likely be out of town for the day, and I'll be elbow-deep in Connie parts, so I can't be my usual great host offering y'all lots of food and beer. Think of this as sort of a Valves-For-Food in reverse. :) If you folks are creative enough, we can have a pretty cool pot-luck type meal when it's all said and done. I know from experience the Connie can carry a lasagna pretty well... :) This could be fun! See ya! Dale PS 1: The house is a real mess right now. Girl scout cookie season has been in high-swing this past month, and it's been busy times for all of us. We'll try to keep things outside as much as possible just to keep my embarassment levels down... :) PS 2: I've got a fairly small patio in the back yard where I plan on setting up shop. Since we might have a fair number of folks showing up, and because I've got a few project bikes out there already, and to help keep things manageable, we really won't be able to do any maintenance on anyone's bike but mine. Sorry. PS 3: If you can't make this one, there will be another one. Nehi is most likely gonna need a valve adjustment of it's own in a few more weeks, if a certain wife of mine does a ride she's been talking about doing... :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 15:43:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KKhlU04260 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-219.patriot.net [209.249.180.219]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2KKgV019075; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:42:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3AB7BF65.3EE5F41E@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:36:53 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Off Topic by a counrty mile: Crash! Study? References: <3AB7ADE3.CF82AF51@ix.netcom.com> <002401c0b174$32f036a0$bb82fea9@pawilson> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > OB Moto: Can ejection motorcycle seats with parachutes be far behind? > There's already some sort of "Michelin Man" inflatable suit under > development that's supposed to act like an air bag for motorcyclists. Ejection devices for scoots have been patented. A parachute that yanks the rider aloft so he/she can have a bird's eye view of the carnage they narrowly missed, only to realize they've just ejected off the bay bridge... Eeeeeyyyaaahhhhhh *splat* Methinks the new and improved model should include a USCG approved life vest. And air bags that blow up around the rider, presumably sealing him/her in an air bag cage. Searching motorcycle stuff in the US Patent & Trademark office is a hoot! Bill - searcher From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 15:56:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f2KKutU04456 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip110.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.110]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19670; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:56:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB7C483.246ECE2B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:58:43 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: "William J. Huson" , Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Off Topic by a counrty mile: Crash! Study? References: <3AB7ADE3.CF82AF51@ix.netcom.com> <002401c0b174$32f036a0$bb82fea9@pawilson> <3AB7BF65.3EE5F41E@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ejection seats should be reserved strictly for Aston Martin DB5s. "William J. Huson" wrote : > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > OB Moto: Can ejection motorcycle seats with parachutes be far behind? > > There's already some sort of "Michelin Man" inflatable suit under > > development that's supposed to act like an air bag for motorcyclists. > > Ejection devices for scoots have been patented. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 20 16:09:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f2KL9tU04726 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25890 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Mar 2001 21:09:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010320210953.25889.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:09:52 -0500 Subject: Fw: Instructors Wanted I thought of B. Roach but can't seem to find his email addr. Anyone else who's interested, here you go. -----Original Message----- From: "California Superbike School" Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:25:26 -0800 To: Subject: Instructors Wanted Dear All, We are looking for qualified instructor candidates. Following is a description of what we need, and after that an application. If you are interested, or think you might qualify, please read the following carefully, and return only the application, beginning at: INSTRUCTOR APPLICATION. While I know many of you, and generally like to hear from you, please only respond if you are qualified and seriously interested. Regards, Cobie Fair Chief Instructor California Superbike School I'll see if I can summarize it in a few words what is needed by us: 1. Racing experience is required. Really we have to see the riding to answer if the riding skill level will be adequate. Most of our students are street riders, but we do need someone that can set an excellent example for a broad range of skills. 2. Friendly, personable, upbeat, high ethical standards, fit in with the rest of our team is a must. 3. Excellent communication and observation skills. Also willing to be trained and do homework. The instructor training is vigorous, not for the wimpy. Every aspect of what you do is examined, honed, tested, and improved on a regular basis. 4. The positions are part time for independent contractors but we need a minimum of 10-15 school days per year. 5. Tryout is not paid. That is usually 1 day at a racetrack, you provide your own bike and gear. 6. After the tryout, there is a short probation period, but we pay all travel and other expenses, you use our bike, gear, etc. Probation period depends on you and how much work you are putting into your training. 7. After probation, instructors are paid according to their instructor skill level, how many of our training programs they have completed. Starts about $150 per day, goes up from there. Getting all these together in the same package is the hard part. Truthfully we are a very dedicated, serious-about-being-the-best bunch, and it shows. About 1 in 12 that apply even get accepted for the training, much less make it past the probation stage. If you have it in mind that this is just a prestigious job for you show others how well you ride, that it will be a cool way to improve your own riding and get lots of track time, then this is not the right thing for you, and your reasons for coming are not the same as ours. We are a school, we train riders and racers and we do that totally. We don't give jobs to our friends because we like them. INSTRUCTOR TRAINING APPLICATION CALIFORNIA SUPERBIKE SCHOOL, INC. 141 Allen Avenue Glendale, CA 91201 This is an application for enrollment in the instructor training program of the California Superbike School, Inc. (CSS). By completion and submission of this form, the applicant attests that he or she shall comply with all published terms and conditions of enrollment. Successful completion of this program is a prerequisite, but not a guarantee, of CSS's hiring of an applicant as an independently contracted instructor for one or more of CSS's educational programs. Date: Name : Social Security No: Address: City: St.: ZIP: Phone Nos.: (Work): (Home): (Cell): Email Address: Permanent address (if different from above): Referred by: PERSONAL INFORMATION: High School Did you Graduate? Name of Degree or Diploma? College or University Name and Location of Institution: Years Attended: Did you Graduate?: Name of Degree or Diploma?: Subjects Studied : Trade, Vocational Business or Correspondence School Name and Location of Institution: Years Attended: Did you Graduate?: Name of Degree or Diploma?: Subjects Studied : U.S. Military Service: Rank? Are you 18 years of age or older? __ Yes __ No Have you been convicted at any time of a felony or criminal misdemeanor? YES: NO: If yes, specify the crime(s), the date and location of the conviction and the current status of the case: (NOTE: An applicant will not be turned down for employment solely because he/she has been convicted of a crime. The particular crime, the date of conviction, the circumstances of the crime and the relation of the nature of the crime to the the responsibilities of a CSS-affiliated instructor for can be considered by CSS making the decision.) HISTORY OF EMPLOYMENT: [List below last two employers, starting with last one first] Date [Mo. and Year] From: To: _____________ Name, Address and Telephone No. of Employer Type of Business : Salary: Start $___________ End $___________ Position(s) : Reason for Leaving : Date [Mo. and Year] From: To: _____________ Name, Address and Telephone No. of Employer Type of Business : Salary: Start $___________ End $___________ Position(s) : Reason for Leaving : MOTORCYCLE AND RACING EXPERIENCE: HEIGHT: WEIGHT: HELMET SIZE: YEARS RIDING: YEARS RACING: CURRENTLY RACING: BRIEF SUMMARY OF RACING RESULTS: HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU CRASHED WHILE MOTORCYCLING:___________ DETAILS: HAVE YOU ENROLLED IN CSS'S SUPERBIKE SCHOOL AS A STUDENT?: HAVE YOU READ ANY OF KEITH CODE'S BOOK'S?: DETAILS: HAVE YOU ENROLLED IN ANY OTHER MOTORCYCLE RIDING SCHOOL?: DETAILS: FIRST MOTORCYCLE: FAVORITE MOTORCYCLE AND WHY: DO YOU POSSESS ANY OTHER BACKGROUND, TRAINING, SKILLS OR KNOWLEDGE THAT QUALIFY YOU FOR ENROLLMENT IN THIS PROGRAM? __ YES __ NO If yes, please specify: IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU BELIEVE PERTINENT TO THIS APPLICATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? REFERENCES: Please supply three people not related to you who can supply first-hand information of your work