From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 02:14:04 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: dreams Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:12:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I don't know what you people are eating right before you go to bed... but it's something you need to Stop. I can't recall EVER dreaming about being hit, laying a bike down, or high-siding. Never have I had a dream of running wide in corners, or being in any sort of tight situation.... Me thinks that you're to Paranoid about riding and your subconscious is alerting you to the thoughts of inadequacy... But then again, if you follow the books on dream reading, death just means that you're looking to change something. Being chased means you're concerned about a change to come.. etc... they don't necessarily always relate directly to what the dream portrayed..... anyway... back to being bored Brian McCoy - Hey, when's MMI actually get Challenging?!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 05:38:15 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:38:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Dirt riding and emergency rooms Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > And now on to the second part of the subject... I got a dirt bike! I'm > the proud owner of a '98 Yamaha RT180, and was wondering who on the > list dirt rides, and where do you go? Once I'm back to 100% I want to > get out and get muddy! There aren't a whole lot of dirt riders on dc-cycles, from what I can tell. There's a very small local dirt e-mail list at http://www.onelist.com/group/dcoffroad where there are links to local off road riding areas. You can only get the links if you join the list... I'd be happy to show you some stuff in MD. I actually did my first off road race this past sunday (hare scrambles at Budds Creek) where I stunk up the joint royally because I was so nervous/anxious... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 09:21:22 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:23:14 +0000 To: "Collin T. Fagan" , Mike T From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: On a much more somber note.... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Keep us posted, Collin, on anything you find out. Poor guy, hope he's ok. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 07:39 PM 2/29/00 -0800, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >I'm sorry I was so vague in my first post... I haven't been able to >talk to Ryan so I didn't want to talk about the details out of turn. >Mainly I haven't spoken to him yet because he just got out of surgery >about 5 minutes ago! None of the drones I have talked to yet knew any >specifics, so I don't know if they took so long working on his leg, or >if they found other injuries once there... >He's currently at Washington Hospital Center.. nor room assigned yet, >and no idea what his visitor status will be...I would highly recommend >calling the hospital first to see if he can get visitors before making >the trip in only to be turned away. > >Thanks for the interest though, I know if I were in his shoes I would >love to see the faces of support.. I just feel badly because I am only >in town till Sunday and will only have a few chances to check in on >him. >I think he will be pleasantly surprised to see he has a pretty good >family away from home in the DCC crowd.... > >CT > >--- Mike T wrote: > >> >> Besides the fact that we all want some details - do you know what >> hospital >> and room number? It wouldn't hurt for a few fellow listers to stop >> in and >> pay a visit. Like - tomorrow evening (hint-hint everyone) >> > >===== >Collin T. Fagan >DC-Cycles Racing >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >Proudly sponsored by: >Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) >Dixie Cycles >Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 09:29:37 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: (Non Moto) New Performance Item for Your Car Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:29:19 -0500 Check out the cheap horsepower gains! http://www.angelfire.com/nc2/mycoffeecan/ Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 09:56:09 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 06:56:08 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (Non Moto) New Performance Item for Your Car To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Excellent, I hope the guy from the Rice Boy Page (http://www.riceboypage.com/) has this link on his site. Glenn --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > Check out the cheap horsepower gains! > > http://www.angelfire.com/nc2/mycoffeecan/ > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 09:56:48 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: On a much more somber note.... Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:56:33 -0500 If anyone's interested in paying him a visit, I called Washington Hospital Center and found out that Ryan's in room 3E9. Visiting hours at the hospital are 1pm-8pm. Email me if you need the phone number for the room. We should get a group together to go see him. Any ideas about when would be a good time? Tomorrow night or this weekend would be the best for me... Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 9:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: On a much more somber note.... > > Our ride today was very outstanding until the last 5 miles. > Ryan Mclune was in a pretty serious accident just as we were > re-entering civilization. I will NOT post the details at this time > though other than a badly broken leg looked to be the worst injury. > He's at the hospital at least for the night if not longer, and I will > post some more information as I get it. > More importantly, does anyone work with him?? Or know someone at > Nextel that might know him?? At lunch he was telling me that he had > very recently moved here from Oregon, and while we were waiting for the > ambulance, he said that there wasn't anyone in the area family or > friend for me to call.... sooo.... If no one here can shed more info I > am going to try and track down some info via his employer and hopefully > get in touch with some family members... he's going to need a lot of > support during recovery time due to the lef injury, also, I think it > would be better for a friend to call them rather than some police or > hospital drone. > > Thank you for your time > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:18:25 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 07:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: On a much more somber note.... To: Bruce Norton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was told he'd be there for 4-5 days when I spoke with the doctor who did the surgery last night. I'd be happy to head down there with anybody who wanted to go this afternoon or evening. Call me if you're interested and leave a message if the phone is off: 301 437-3542 --- Bruce Norton wrote: > Whoa! That sux! I hope that Ryan's feeling better > soon! How about his mailing > address so we can send him some get well cards. If > the hospital stay is longer, > maybe some balloons or some such from the list would > be a way to let him know > that other riders are thinking about him. > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > > > Our ride today was very outstanding until the last > 5 miles. > > Ryan Mclune was in a pretty serious accident just > as we were > > re-entering civilization. I will NOT post the > details at this time > > though other than a badly broken leg looked to be > the worst injury. > > He's at the hospital at least for the night if not > longer, and I will > > post some more information as I get it. > > More importantly, does anyone work with him?? Or > know someone at > > Nextel that might know him?? At lunch he was > telling me that he had > > very recently moved here from Oregon, and while we > were waiting for the > > ambulance, he said that there wasn't anyone in the > area family or > > friend for me to call.... sooo.... If no one here > can shed more info I > > am going to try and track down some info via his > employer and hopefully > > get in touch with some family members... he's > going to need a lot of > > support during recovery time due to the lef > injury, also, I think it > > would be better for a friend to call them rather > than some police or > > hospital drone. > > > > Thank you for your time > > Collin > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:22:51 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 07:22:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: On a much more somber note.... To: Jeannette Zell , "Collin T. Fagan" , Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ryan's mother is en route from Alaska as of 11pm last night. He's got a badly broken right collarbone, a steel rod in his left leg, and (for the worst part) no feeling on his left side (nerve damage). Doctor wouldn't even speculate on full recovery chances, so keep your fingers crossed for him. --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > Keep us posted, Collin, on anything you find out. > Poor guy, hope he's ok. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:27:12 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:26:57 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: GPz Mailing List , DC Cycles Subject: NPR of Interest I just noticed the following item that might be of interest, that I haven't yet listened to... http://www.wamu.org/pihi.html (Look at Feb 29, local hour: Chasing Che: A Motorcycle Journey in Search of a Legend" -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:33:49 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:39:56 +0000 To: Tom Gimer , "Collin T. Fagan" , Mike T From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: On a much more somber note.... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks for the update, Tom. I will keep him in my thoughts and cross everything I can! Poor guy. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 07:22 AM 3/1/00 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >Ryan's mother is en route from Alaska as of 11pm last >night. > >He's got a badly broken right collarbone, a steel rod >in his left leg, and (for the worst part) no feeling >on his left side (nerve damage). Doctor wouldn't even >speculate on full recovery chances, so keep your >fingers crossed for him. > > > >-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:45:09 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Morris Berman'" , GPz Mailing List , DC Cycles Subject: RE: NPR of Interest Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:42:48 -0500 I listened to is yesterday and even tried to call in, but my cell phone cut out. It was a fascinating discussion but heavily weighted towards discussion of Che and his ideology. Essentially, a New York journalist set out to retrace Che Guevera's famous motorcycle journey through South and Latin America. This is widely believed to be the time that Che was politicized and became a believer in revolution. He came from a middle class family but the oppression and poverty he saw on that trip changed his life. Later on he fought with Fidel Castro in Cuba and other revolutions (Congo, Bolivia) until he was killed by soldiers in Boliva. Che's book (Che's Motorcycle Diaries) is a great read on both a motorcycle and historical/political level. I just ordered the new book as well. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Morris Berman [SMTP:berman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 10:27 AM > To: GPz Mailing List; DC Cycles > Subject: NPR of Interest > > I just noticed the following item that might be of interest, that I > haven't yet listened to... > > http://www.wamu.org/pihi.html (Look at Feb 29, local hour: Chasing Che: A > Motorcycle Journey in Search of a Legend" > > > -Mb > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) > #446884 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging > trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:57:56 2000 From: knapik@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, berman@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:55:16 -0500 Subject: NPR of Interest Content-Disposition: inline Morris wrote: >>I just noticed the following item that might be of interest, that I >>haven't yet listened to... >>http://www.wamu.org/pihi.html (Look at Feb 29, local hour: Chasing Che: A >>Motorcycle Journey in Search of a Legend" Interesting, I just finished reading the book. I'd still like to do a ride from the northern tip of the Americas to the southern tip. I dream big don't I? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:58:28 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: dreams Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:46:30 GMT I believe they say everyone dreams everynight, they just don't recall the dreams. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:07:57 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:06:29 EST Subject: Re: eggparka To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/29/00 3:47:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, redsullivan@XXXXXX writes: > There might be a right way to go down. I watched Keith > Code talk on a video about practicing relaxing and > falling onto the ground to prepare for a crash, but > I'm skeptical as to how well this prepares you for the > real thing. Pretty damn well, actually. Before I started racing, I took the Code school up at Poccono raceway. The aforementioned crashing info was covered in the class. In... sept?... I locked up the front end coming into turn one at Summit point, and planted myself into the pavement at ~65mph... the first thing that popped into my head was that I was supposed to relax. I did so, and did my best impression of a ragdoll for the next 50 yards or so out into the gravel trap. Didn't break anything, didn't wear through my leathers, only had some bruises. YMMV, but IMHO is was good advice :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:19:38 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:19:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: eggparka Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In... sept?... I locked up the front end coming into turn one at Summit > point, and planted myself into the pavement at ~65mph... the first > thing that popped into my head was that I was supposed to relax. I did > so, and did my best impression of a ragdoll for the next 50 yards or so > out into the gravel trap. Didn't break anything, didn't wear through > my leathers, only had some bruises. Shoot, I learned this years ago watching "The A Team". You see Mr. T didn't like planes so they would always have to somehow disable him to get him into a plane. They drugged him up once and then had a car accident (not on purpose, of course). He was loose and relaxed while the others in the car had braced for the impact. Everyone but Mr. T was hurt... :) Kirk, everything I know I learned on TV 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:20:34 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: jmoran@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What the Cops Should Ride (was US News article) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:44:17 GMT On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:37:49 -0500, you wrote: |>I've seen police on a lot of different motorcycles, from KZ1000s to = Hogs to |>CB250s, even 125s, but the scariest thing I ever saw (at least from the |>viewpoint of a potential lawbreaker) was two Fairfax County cops on = KLRs. I |>figure if those guys know how to ride, even a little, there will be = nowhere to |>run. On foot, on a bike, in a car, no matter. The offender will be = apprehended. That's true unless the guy pulls into an alley then hits reverse. OUCH. The only problem is while they bikes can do other things, they still lack the protection of a cage. The do seem like they'd be good for just patrolling neighborhoods. put in a teather kill switch that needs to be inserted for the bike to run.. so they can just put the bike on the side and go chasing a crook and some kid won't pick the bike up and ride off hehe. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:40:52 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: What the Cops Should Ride (was US News article) Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > That's true unless the guy pulls into an alley then hits reverse. > OUCH. Don't believe for a minute that the police don't take these sorts of things into account in their training. Police motorcyclists are generally quite accomplished in the areas in which they are trained (and routinely tested). They even learn to dump the bike and start running without slowing down (not sure if this is a general practice). Yes, this is with the massive hogs... The CB250 cops don't get the same level of training, from what I understand. Of course, I'm no bike cop so my understanding (and interest) is limited. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:52:18 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:52:10 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: What the Cops Should Ride (was US News article) Come on Kirk, you SHOULD know!! Didn't you ever watch CHIPS? ;-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Kirk Roy wrote: > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > That's true unless the guy pulls into an alley then hits reverse. > > OUCH. > > Don't believe for a minute that the police don't take these sorts of > things into account in their training. Police motorcyclists are generally > quite accomplished in the areas in which they are trained (and routinely > tested). > > They even learn to dump the bike and start running without slowing down > (not sure if this is a general practice). Yes, this is with the massive > hogs... The CB250 cops don't get the same level of training, from what I > understand. Of course, I'm no bike cop so my understanding (and > interest) is limited. > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:57:12 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: What the Cops Should Ride (was US News article) Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Morris Berman wrote: > Come on Kirk, you SHOULD know!! > > Didn't you ever watch CHIPS? ;-) You're right. From my recollection cops use KZs to get big air quite frequently, can stop/turn on a dime, and yet they crash for unknown reasons at other times... :) I've probably seen all the CHiPs (note capitalization, cretin) episodes except the recent one with the BMWs... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 12:32:08 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: What the Cops Should Ride (was US News article) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:19:23 -0500 Organization: NCEA Some of the air on CHiPs was faked just a wee little bit. I grew up in LaLa Land and my neighbor across the street was a retired racer and stunt rider who did many of the stunts for CHiPs. He also rode that KZ lookalike off the carrier deck in "Magnum Force". Hanging out at his house was interesting, his garage was better than Disneyland to say the least. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Be Alert! America needs more Lerts." > > Didn't you ever watch CHIPS? ;-) You're right. From my recollection cops use KZs to get big air quite frequently, can stop/turn on a dime, and yet they crash for unknown reasons at other times... :) I've probably seen all the CHiPs (note capitalization, cretin) episodes except the recent one with the BMWs... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 14:36:43 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:30:03 -0800 This is to all the Kaw boys and girls on the list. When my wife and I went to the motorcycle show, she sat on the "sport-touring" ZX-6 and pronounced it good. She sat on the "sport" ZX-6R and pronounced it bad. Ergonomically speaking, that is. I agreed with her assessment. So, I'm kind of looking around for an older (90-95) ZX-6, but not a ZX-6R. The questions is: Which one is the "D" model and which one is the "E" model? I *think* that the ZX-6R is the "E" model, but I'm not sure anymore. I do know that the ZX-6 E1 was a 93 model and I'm pretty sure that the ZX-6 D1 was a 90 model, but other than that I'm not sure. And I don't even want to think about the ZX600! Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 14:39:18 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:41:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 http://members.nova.org/~kirk/newspaper.jpg Thanks to Kirk Roy for putting up the clip that I scanned. Bruce From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 14:54:36 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:57:42 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident Along with everyone else, I am wishing Ryan well and a speedy recovery. I'm sure I'm not the only person who wants to ask this: What are the circumstances surrounding this "head on" crash? Usually that means that someone was driving on the wrong side of the road. Chuck Bruce Norton wrote: > > http://members.nova.org/~kirk/newspaper.jpg > > Thanks to Kirk Roy for putting up the clip that I scanned. > > Bruce From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:08:56 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:07:44 EST Subject: Re: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX The ZX-6E is the "toned down" one. I looked at these a couple years ago when I was looking for my first 600 sportbike. Ended up getting the YZF600R, but I liked the ZX-6E quite a bit for the same reasons you mentioned (ergos, etc). - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:09:05 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:05 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Coleman; Perry" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature The ZX6 D and E variants just stand for the edition level. The ZX6E is the latest in the sport touring line of the ZX6. The D is just an older model (I think D model is '92 and back but I'm not sure). The ZX6R is a ZX6R, period. It has no letter asigned to it that I'm aware of, unlike the ZX6 and the ZX11. Hope this helps. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/01/2000 2:30 PM This is to all the Kaw boys and girls on the list. When my wife and I went to the motorcycle show, she sat on the "sport-touring" ZX-6 and pronounced it good. She sat on the "sport" ZX-6R and pronounced it bad. Ergonomically speaking, that is. I agreed with her assessment. So, I'm kind of looking around for an older (90-95) ZX-6, but not a ZX-6R. The questions is: Which one is the "D" model and which one is the "E" model? I *think* that the ZX-6R is the "E" model, but I'm not sure anymore. I do know that the ZX-6 E1 was a 93 model and I'm pretty sure that the ZX-6 D1 was a 90 model, but other than that I'm not sure. And I don't even want to think about the ZX600! Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:12:08 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , "Coleman, Perry" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:08:18 -0800 Bri, Are you 100% sure about that?!?!? That's what I thought too, but I'm finding a bunch of ads on Classifieds2000, etc. where they say ZX-6E and then in the ad they mention "R", or the picture they show has the "R" on the flank. That's what got me thinking that I had it wrong... Perry -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:08 PM To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature The ZX-6E is the "toned down" one. I looked at these a couple years ago when I was looking for my first 600 sportbike. Ended up getting the YZF600R, but I liked the ZX-6E quite a bit for the same reasons you mentioned (ergos, etc). - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:18:56 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Tom Zell'" , "Coleman, Perry" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:14:42 -0800 Tom, What you say about editions is true. Kaws will use a letter/number combo to indicate edition and year of production. So an "E1" was the first year of the "E" edition, etc. However, I'd be REAL surprised if the ZX-6R doesn't use the same letter/number combo to keep track of editions within it's line. The thing that is annoying is that there have basically been 2 versions of the sporting 600 in almost continuous production since 1986 (or thereabouts.) Trying to figure out which is which, especially when reading classified ads is a major pain! Maybe I should just get a YZF600 (as opposed to the YZF-R6...) Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:05 PM To: Coleman; Perry; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature The ZX6 D and E variants just stand for the edition level. The ZX6E is the latest in the sport touring line of the ZX6. The D is just an older model (I think D model is '92 and back but I'm not sure). The ZX6R is a ZX6R, period. It has no letter asigned to it that I'm aware of, unlike the ZX6 and the ZX11. Hope this helps. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/01/2000 2:30 PM This is to all the Kaw boys and girls on the list. When my wife and I went to the motorcycle show, she sat on the "sport-touring" ZX-6 and pronounced it good. She sat on the "sport" ZX-6R and pronounced it bad. Ergonomically speaking, that is. I agreed with her assessment. So, I'm kind of looking around for an older (90-95) ZX-6, but not a ZX-6R. The questions is: Which one is the "D" model and which one is the "E" model? I *think* that the ZX-6R is the "E" model, but I'm not sure anymore. I do know that the ZX-6 E1 was a 93 model and I'm pretty sure that the ZX-6 D1 was a 90 model, but other than that I'm not sure. And I don't even want to think about the ZX600! Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:41:26 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:41:20 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: US News article ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Cedric Bernescut >Found this last night in my new issue of US News & World Report and thought >is was rather funny. > >A call for more hogs on the Hill ... >Sen. >Ben Nighthorse Campbell, the ponytailed Colorado Republican who parks his >American-made Harley police motorcycle outside the Senate chamber. He wants >the U.S. Capitol Police to dump their weenie Japanese-made bikes and climb >onto Harleys-or other big American bikes. "I'm tired of our police force >looking like pizza-delivery men," Campbell tells us. The Honda 250 Rebels are actually quite good at their task - nimbly going around the city, on sidewalks, etc. Not so easy on a 600-800 lb. Harley. And the good Senator better be careful about making any police motorcycle purchases that are performance-based, because they'd probably end up with BMW R1100RTP bikes instead of Harley's. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:44:41 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:43:27 EST Subject: Re: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/00 3:12:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Are you 100% sure about that?!?!? That's what I thought too, but I'm finding > a bunch of ads on Classifieds2000, etc. where they say ZX-6E and then in the > ad they mention "R", or the picture they show has the "R" on the flank. > That's what got me thinking that I had it wrong... Yeah - If it has an "R" associated with it in any way, it's an "R". If it's a ZX-6 with no letter designation plastered on the plastic, it's the toned down one, or "E" model. Call up CycleSport for more info, as they used to be Kawi dealers and can prob give you the low-down. Also... I know that the Springfield store has a nice used FZR600 right now, which is another decent choice for a "toned down" 600. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:47:01 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:45:36 EST Subject: Re: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/00 3:01:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > I'm sure I'm not the only person who wants to ask this: What are the > circumstances surrounding this "head on" crash? Usually that means that > someone was driving on the wrong side of the road. While I hate to be grim... the photo shows the bus is in the right lane... the bike isn't. Ouch... I hope to never meet the front end of one of those things. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:48:51 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Tom Zell'" , "Coleman, Perry" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:36:33 -0800 Tom, Here's an example of the nomenclature from the Kelley Blue Book 1990 ZX600-C3 Ninja R (Retail $2435) ZX600-D1 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $2835) 1992 ZX600-C5 Ninja R (Retail $2980) ZX600-D3 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $3550) 1993 ZX600-C6 Ninja R (Retail $3325) ZX600-D4 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $3925) ZX600-E1 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $4090)<-It starts to get confusing... 1999 ZX600-E7 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $6370) ZX600-G2 Ninja ZX-6R (Retail $7215) Anyway, I think if I find a "D" model between 1990 and 1993, I'm OK. But from 1993, on I'm looking for an "E" model. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:05 PM To: Coleman; Perry; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature The ZX6 D and E variants just stand for the edition level. The ZX6E is the latest in the sport touring line of the ZX6. The D is just an older model (I think D model is '92 and back but I'm not sure). The ZX6R is a ZX6R, period. It has no letter asigned to it that I'm aware of, unlike the ZX6 and the ZX11. Hope this helps. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/01/2000 2:30 PM This is to all the Kaw boys and girls on the list. When my wife and I went to the motorcycle show, she sat on the "sport-touring" ZX-6 and pronounced it good. She sat on the "sport" ZX-6R and pronounced it bad. Ergonomically speaking, that is. I agreed with her assessment. So, I'm kind of looking around for an older (90-95) ZX-6, but not a ZX-6R. The questions is: Which one is the "D" model and which one is the "E" model? I *think* that the ZX-6R is the "E" model, but I'm not sure anymore. I do know that the ZX-6 E1 was a 93 model and I'm pretty sure that the ZX-6 D1 was a 90 model, but other than that I'm not sure. And I don't even want to think about the ZX600! Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:14:41 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:14:19 -0500 However, the bus clearly shows no damage on the front, even to the flimsy traffic bar that swings across the bumper. The article says the motorcycle crashed head-on into the bus - this might not mean that the bus hit Ryan head-on also. Judging from Ryan's position and the bus' position, it's theoretically possible that he was taking a legal left turn onto the road the bus was travelling. Perhaps the bus ran a red light/stop sign and Ryan collided with the front-left side of the bus while making his turn. Perhaps Ryan ran a red light. There's no way to know for sure of course, until someone who was there decides to tell the list. In any event, the result is the same and we all feel bad for Ryan and wish him a quick recovery. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:46 PM > To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident > > In a message dated 3/1/00 3:01:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm sure I'm not the only person who wants to ask this: What are the > > circumstances surrounding this "head on" crash? Usually that means > that > > someone was driving on the wrong side of the road. > > While I hate to be grim... the photo shows the bus is in the right lane... > > the bike isn't. > > Ouch... I hope to never meet the front end of one of those things. > > - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:18:05 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:13 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Coleman; Perry" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Perry, You want to find the E model bike... very nice... very powerful... very comfortable. I can't say anything for the older models but I can say that I was pretty close to buying a '95 and it was nice. Also came close to buying a '94 that needed work... I love the bike... Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/01/2000 3:36 PM Tom, Here's an example of the nomenclature from the Kelley Blue Book 1990 ZX600-C3 Ninja R (Retail $2435) ZX600-D1 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $2835) 1992 ZX600-C5 Ninja R (Retail $2980) ZX600-D3 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $3550) 1993 ZX600-C6 Ninja R (Retail $3325) ZX600-D4 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $3925) ZX600-E1 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $4090)<-It starts to get confusing... 1999 ZX600-E7 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $6370) ZX600-G2 Ninja ZX-6R (Retail $7215) Anyway, I think if I find a "D" model between 1990 and 1993, I'm OK. But from 1993, on I'm looking for an "E" model. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:05 PM To: Coleman; Perry; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature The ZX6 D and E variants just stand for the edition level. The ZX6E is the latest in the sport touring line of the ZX6. The D is just an older model (I think D model is '92 and back but I'm not sure). The ZX6R is a ZX6R, period. It has no letter asigned to it that I'm aware of, unlike the ZX6 and the ZX11. Hope this helps. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/01/2000 2:30 PM This is to all the Kaw boys and girls on the list. When my wife and I went to the motorcycle show, she sat on the "sport-touring" ZX-6 and pronounced it good. She sat on the "sport" ZX-6R and pronounced it bad. Ergonomically speaking, that is. I agreed with her assessment. So, I'm kind of looking around for an older (90-95) ZX-6, but not a ZX-6R. The questions is: Which one is the "D" model and which one is the "E" model? I *think* that the ZX-6R is the "E" model, but I'm not sure anymore. I do know that the ZX-6 E1 was a 93 model and I'm pretty sure that the ZX-6 D1 was a 90 model, but other than that I'm not sure. And I don't even want to think about the ZX600! Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:18:50 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Dr. Gridlock Gets Another Moto Letter Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:18:38 -0500 >From Dr. Gridlock, Mar. 1, 2000: Motorcycles Can Ease Commute Dear Dr. Gridlock: Your Feb. 23 column had dozens of suggestions on how to clear up our traffic troubles but left out a mode of transportation that could alleviate much of the area congestion: motorcycles. Many get 50 miles to the gallon, are cheaper to operate than a car, take up less space on the road and are allowed in HOV lanes with only a single rider. Whenever the weather permits, I commute from Crofton in Anne Arundel County to Rosslyn. I urge your readers to call the Motorcycle Safety Foundation to sign up for a beginner rider course. Commuting can be a pleasure when it's a sunny spring day, the wind is in your face, and you're enjoying the ride. Lynn Gilgut Crofton Thanks for the reminder. The number for the Motorcycle Safety Foundation is 1-800-638-1722 in Maryland, 703-845-6240 in Virginia and 703-450-2551 in Loudoun County. We don't have a foundation number for the District of Columbia. Dr. Gridlock also believes we should do whatever we can to encourage commuting by bicycle or by foot, by flex time or by telecommuting, by car-pooling or by slugging, by bus or rail. Anything that gets cars off our roads. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:19:55 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:19:17 EST Subject: Re: US News article To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/00 3:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > The Honda 250 Rebels are actually quite good at their task - nimbly going > around the city, on sidewalks, etc. Not so easy on a 600-800 lb. Harley. > > And the good Senator better be careful about making any police motorcycle > purchases that are performance-based, because they'd probably end up with BMW > R1100RTP bikes instead of Harley's. The new Buell Blast could be a good solution here. It still will cost more than a Japanese 250, but not nearly as much as any H-D. Besides, it looks good to have the police at the US Capitol on US made motorcycles. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:22:09 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Tom Zell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:18:21 -0800 Tom, I appreciate the feedback. I'd like to find a nice '95, or thereabouts, so I guess I'll be looking for an E3. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 4:13 PM To: Coleman; Perry; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Perry, You want to find the E model bike... very nice... very powerful... very comfortable. I can't say anything for the older models but I can say that I was pretty close to buying a '95 and it was nice. Also came close to buying a '94 that needed work... I love the bike... Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:26:06 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:25:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident To: Chuck Pena Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Collin and I were with him, but because we were ahead of him we can only speculate as to exactly what happened....our guess is target fixation in the middle of the turn upon a large, yellow object. Ryan was unable to tell us or the medics what had happened and my guess is that he had a pretty bad concussion. Even with his injuries being pretty darn serious, he is lucky he was well protected (Stich, etc.) I'd rather not go into detail regarding his injuries....made me quite queasy to be there and witness it. Collin assisted the medics initially with securing Ryan's spine and we attempted to calm him down during the time that help was on teh way. Bike was absolutely RUINED....plastic, fluids everywhere. Maybe the headers can be salvaged....that's it. Point of impact was in the bus's lane about 60 feet from where Ryan ended up. The bus driver thinks she ran over him. It was not, however, a 'high speed' collision like the media would have us believe. High speed + a school bus = no more biker. It just didn't happen that way. --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Along with everyone else, I am wishing Ryan well and > a speedy recovery. > > I'm sure I'm not the only person who wants to ask > this: What are the > circumstances surrounding this "head on" crash? > Usually that means that > someone was driving on the wrong side of the road. > > Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:30:39 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:30:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: US News article At 04:19 PM 3/1/00 , FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: >The new Buell Blast could be a good solution here. It still will cost more >than a Japanese 250, but not nearly as much as any H-D. Besides, it looks >good to have the police at the US Capitol on US made motorcycles. I agree that government agencies should be riding and driving US made equipment, but not at the cost of replacing them unnecessarily. Of course - the 250s would make nice donations to various MSF courses locally..... The Blast would still have the stigma of being a little bike. Not as intimidating as the Electra Glides or whatever HD the local cops ride. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 New Tires....Spring here yet? From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:38:00 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:43:53 +0000 To: Tom Gimer , Chuck Pena From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ack, scary stuff. Reminds me of the horrible story I read somewhere, might have been on Motorcycle Online, about a woman who target-fixated on a truck, hit it, and almost had her leg taken off. Needless to say, it scared the s@*$ out of me! : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 01:25 PM 3/1/00 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >Collin and I were with him, but because we were ahead >of him we can only speculate as to exactly what >happened....our guess is target fixation in the middle >of the turn upon a large, yellow object. Ryan was >unable to tell us or the medics what had happened and >my guess is that he had a pretty bad concussion. Even >with his injuries being pretty darn serious, he is >lucky he was well protected (Stich, etc.) I'd rather >not go into detail regarding his injuries....made me >quite queasy to be there and witness it. Collin >assisted the medics initially with securing Ryan's >spine and we attempted to calm him down during the >time that help was on teh way. > >Bike was absolutely RUINED....plastic, fluids >everywhere. Maybe the headers can be >salvaged....that's it. Point of impact was in the >bus's lane about 60 feet from where Ryan ended up. >The bus driver thinks she ran over him. It was not, >however, a 'high speed' collision like the media would >have us believe. High speed + a school bus = no more >biker. It just didn't happen that way. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 19:52:57 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:52:30 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock Gets Another Moto Letter To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Please tell me we aren't going to go into this one again? Glenn --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > From Dr. Gridlock, Mar. 1, 2000: > > Many get 50 miles to the gallon, are cheaper to > operate than a car, take up __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 20:02:52 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:02:48 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature To: "Coleman, Perry" , "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Are you 100% sure about that?!?!? That's what I > thought too, but I'm finding > a bunch of ads on Classifieds2000, etc. where they > say ZX-6E and then in the > ad they mention "R", or the picture they show has > the "R" on the flank. My initial impression is to agree with Tom. I think the R on the 6E comes from that coffee can link posted earlier. Doesn't MSN carry used bike prices a couple of times a year, wouldn't the right answer be listed in those? Can anyone look this up. Leon. It was 80 in Orlando today. :-) DisneyWorld is great, especially with a 7 yr old along. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 21:09:19 2000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:08:35 -0200 Subject: re: NPR of Interest CC: Morris Berman From: Morris Berman > I just noticed the following item that might be of interest, that I > haven't yet listened to... > http://www.wamu.org/pihi.html (Look at Feb 29, local hour: Chasing > Che: A Motorcycle Journey in Search of a Legend" Morris, I listened to this the other week. The interviewing dronette didn't even ask the guy what he rode (I don't know) in following Che's 35+ year-old route, nor even what kind of bike Che had (Norton 500). If you like Che and all the sociopolitical implications his name might represent, then IMO it was still pretty interesting. JK 95 VFR D-Mode From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 22:52:30 2000 From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:51:07 EST Subject: VX 800 update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd like to thank everyone on the list who kindly responded to my request for info on the Suzuki VX 800. When I was speaking to the seller he informed me that the bike was a 93 model and had 2-3k miles on it. Alas, my selective hearing kicked in again. Upon contacting him I found the bike had 23k miles on it. I wasn't really that interested but felt it might be too good to pass up. With this lastest info my interest has dwindled. I guess I'm hardcore sport/race bike kind of guy:-) For anyone interested the bike is still for sale. It is black and has a very small dent in the tank (covered by the riders leg I'm told). The bike has never been crashed but the guy doesn't have the room and his wife wants him to clear out the garage. He is selling it for $1100 but get the feeling he could be talked down further still. I'm told the bike runs great and is in good mechanical condition. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks, Jeff jeff ozmen duc748/855 motoeuropa elf lubricants elf race fuel From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 23:08:48 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:01:46 -0500 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/01/00 From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX i would if I had one! I got the chance to take a Yamaha YZ250 for a spin on the beach a few times over new years and it was AWESOME......but if I get one I'll le ya know :D >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/01/00 >Date: Wed, Mar 1, 2000, 7:00 PM > > 98 Yamaha RT180, and was wondering who on the list dirt > rides, and where do you go? Once I'm back to 100% I want to get out and get > muddy! From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 23:11:08 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:04:10 -0500 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/01/00 From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX how did it happen? >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/01/00 >Date: Wed, Mar 1, 2000, 7:00 PM > > He's got a badly broken right collarbone, a steel rod > in his left leg, and (for the worst part) no feeling > on his left side (nerve damage). Doctor wouldn't even > speculate on full recovery chances, so keep your > fingers crossed for him. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 04:46:35 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:41:31 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock Gets Another Moto Letter To: dysart@XXXXXX, "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" > wrote: > > From Dr. Gridlock, Mar. 1, 2000: > > > > > Many get 50 miles to the gallon, are cheaper to > > operate than a car, take up --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Please tell me we aren't going to go into this one > again? Absolutely not. The Gridlock quote is what we tell folks who don't ride. It's more like advertising hype. What we did before was a debate over whether there was enough truth to the hype to use in our own financial planning. There is room for debate internally. As advertising hype, it is very effective, we should continue to say it there. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 08:12:58 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:12:54 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: US News article ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: FGrefe@XXXXXX >Besides, it looks >good to have the police at the US Capitol on US made motorcycles. Speaking as a taxpayer, I think it looks better to be on a bike that provides the best value for the money. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 08:17:16 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:16:39 EST Subject: Re: On a much more somber note.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bummer - Sean and I rode with him last Saturday (in the fog and a cloud on 601). He seemed to be a pretty much together guy. Sean and I are planning to visit him tonight. We'll be leaving from my office (Tyson's area) about 17:30 if anyone wants to car pool to the hospital, you're welcome to come along (mini-van). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 08:17:29 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:17:26 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock Gets Another Moto Letter Please tell me you're not going to write Dr. Gridlock and tell him bikes are more expensive than cars? Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:52:30 -0800 (PST) >Please tell me we aren't going to go into this one >again? > >Glenn > >--- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: >> From Dr. Gridlock, Mar. 1, 2000: >> > >> Many get 50 miles to the gallon, are cheaper to >> operate than a car, take up > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 09:11:27 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:10:58 -0500 Subject: This is a good one..... Content-Disposition: inline This guy is flying down the road and he comes over a bridge.=A0 Sure enough, a cop with a radar gun is sitting on the other side of the bridge and pulls him over. The cop walks up to the guy's car and asks, "What's the hurry?" The guy says, "I'm late for work." "What do you do?" The guy responds, "Well, I'm a rectum stretcher." The cop says, "What? A rectum stretcher?" The guy says, "Yeah. I start with a finger, then work my way up to two fingers... eventually I get a hand in, then both hands, and I slowly stretch it until it's about six feet wide." The cop asks, "What do you do with a six-foot asshole?" "Well, you give him a radar gun and park him at the end of a bridge.." = From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 09:26:44 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , DC Cycles Cc: Morris Berman Subject: RE: NPR of Interest Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:24:22 -0500 Not that interview linked below. It was Kojo Annonde, def not a dronnette. They did discuss the motorcycle a bit towards the end. > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Kozyn [SMTP:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 6:09 PM > To: DC Cycles > Cc: Morris Berman > Subject: re: NPR of Interest > > From: Morris Berman > > > I just noticed the following item that might be of interest, that I > > haven't yet listened to... > > http://www.wamu.org/pihi.html (Look at Feb 29, local hour: Chasing > > Che: A Motorcycle Journey in Search of a Legend" > > Morris, > > I listened to this the other week. The interviewing dronette didn't > even ask the guy what he rode (I don't know) in following Che's 35+ > year-old route, nor even what kind of bike Che had (Norton 500). If > you like Che and all the sociopolitical implications his name might > represent, then IMO it was still pretty interesting. > > JK > 95 VFR > D-Mode From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 10:02:17 2000 From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:00:39 EST Subject: Risers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a problem maybe some of you can help me with. In November of this year I called Barons (after-market company) and spoke to John Baron about ordering his risers for my 98 Royal Star. The objective was to bring the handlebars closer to me. The stock Star is fine but for added comfort and control I thought I should do this. They were bought and installed over the last couple of days. In speaking with John, I was advised the stock cables are fine and no need to replace them. When I went to pick up my bike yesterday it looked like easy rider, ape hangers. I was told not enough cable. In riding her home last night my arms fell asleep because they were above my heart. I called John almost in tears. I believe my mechanic put them on without reading the directions and I also believe Barons has no reason to mis guide me. He is supposed to call my mechanic today and talk to him but I think I know where this will go. Do any of you know anything about these risers and how they are supposed to be installed? How to run the cables? I have enclosed the net site so you can look at them for yourself. http://www.baronscustom.com/cgi-local/catalog/shop.pl/page=cat_pg2.html/SID=26 54693180 Thanking all of you in advance. Debbie 98 Royal Star From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 10:27:15 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: '99 yzf600 for sale frame is trashed: NO VFR, SV Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:25:06 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Ok, after closer inspection, the bikes frame is toast. It will make a great parts bike for someone looking for an engine, swingarm, rear wheel, instruments, forks, clip-ons, rt. side plastic, gauges, etc., but it will never be road worthy again because of the frame damage. Sorry. I do have pictures if anyone is interested, e-mail me off list. '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers- www.shen-valley.com 1-888-743-6825 toll free From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 10:33:39 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Oh. My. God. So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru late July. Registration opened on Monday. They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of the week. That sucks ass. So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is late June. I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull some strings? I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? grrr.... -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 10:47:11 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:46:35 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Risers ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:00:39 EST > Do any of you know anything about these risers and how they are > supposed to be installed? How to run the cables? Debbie, Carefully look at the pic of the risers again, then go and look at your bike. Did the mechanic install them the wrong way, so they lift the bars UP instead of back? That's what it sounds like. It might be a simple fix...but I'm just guessing. I don't have any specific knowledge of the bike or those risers. Good luck, let us know how it turns out. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 11:49:52 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 11:49:11 -0500 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Troutman Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. At 10:33 AM 3/2/00 , Ken Woods wrote: >So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. >One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru >late July. Registration opened on Monday. >They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of >the week. > >I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull >some strings? Its ok Ken - we can teach you how to ride ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 11:53:03 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:45:57 EST Subject: Re: Risers To: Bluice101@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/2/00 10:24:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bluice101@XXXXXX writes: << Do any of you know anything about these risers and how they are supposed to be installed? >> Debbie, After looking at the pics on the web site I agree with Horkster...looks like your mechanic might have installed them backwards. That would make them very tall and create the need for longer lines. You might want to double-check that. Good luck, Steve Broadstreet Concours Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 12:11:19 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:10:56 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: Risers >> Do any of you know anything about these risers and how they are >> supposed to be installed? How to run the cables? > From: "Horkster" >Carefully look at the pic of the risers again, then go and look >at your bike. Did the mechanic install them the wrong way, so >they lift the bars UP instead of back? That's what it sounds >like. > >It might be a simple fix...but I'm just guessing. I don't have >any specific knowledge of the bike or those risers. Agreed. Another idea is that there may be fewer allowed positions for the handlebars - and yours ended up in the high position. Given that the risers are intended to use the stock cables if you have the stock handlebars (you have the stock handlebars?) then it's possible that there are fewer allowed positions of the handlebars, due to the cables. The idea is that the handlebars may have to be adjusted higher or lower to allow slack in the cables. If the handlebars were adjusted higher, this could the too-high result you got. Hope this makes sense! lets us know how it goes, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 13:36:03 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:36:02 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Troutman cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Troutman wrote: > Its ok Ken - we can teach you how to ride ;-) Smartass. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 13:40:25 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:39:41 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Accept-Language: en To: Danny Thompson , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: '99 yzf600 for sale frame is trashed: NO VFR, SV Does any know if the engine will bolt into a 94 FZR 600. ;o) Danny, now that they know the frame is dead how much are the asking for it, still 2K? Nelson Danny Thompson wrote: > Ok, after closer inspection, the bikes frame is toast. It will make a great > parts bike for someone looking for an engine, swingarm, rear wheel, > instruments, forks, clip-ons, rt. side plastic, gauges, etc., but it will > never be > road worthy again because of the frame damage. Sorry. I do have pictures if > anyone is interested, e-mail me off list. > '99 VFR > '99 SV > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers- www.shen-valley.com 1-888-743-6825 toll free From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 14:10:40 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1972 14:13:54 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Ken Woods cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who was there first? I don't think so. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > the week. > > That sucks ass. > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > late June. > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > some strings? > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > grrr.... > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 14:17:45 2000 X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:17:08 -0500 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > the week. Sadly, this is not news. I signed up for the MSF class last year in early march, and the first opening they had was sept 9/10 :(. I took it, and had to wait all summer. Being the dufus that I am, I decided not to even buy a bike until I had gone to the class because I knew I wouldn't be able to resist. Missed a good summer for riding IIRC. > That sucks ass. It sure does. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no accident "user" is a 4 letter word --KV From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 14:48:35 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: MSF Courses filling up instantly every year (was Oh. My. God.) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:44:26 -0800 To all the MSF instructors on the list: WHY does this seem to happen every year? Is it a shortage of Instructors? Facilities? Money? Some political thing? If there's this much demand, why can't some adjustments be made? I mean, it's A GOOD THING that people want the MSF course before they start riding. Why can't the system better accommodate them? Regards, Perry >> >> So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. >> One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru >> late July. Registration opened on Monday. >> They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of >> the week. > >Sadly, this is not news. I signed up for the MSF class last year in early >march, and the first opening they had was sept 9/10 :(. I took it, and >had to wait all summer. Being the dufus that I am, I decided not to even >buy a bike until I had gone to the class because I knew I wouldn't be able >to resist. Missed a good summer for riding IIRC. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 14:56:29 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:56:09 -0500 I ended up just saying "to hell with it" and bought the bike to ride while I waited for the MSF class. I rode illegally around the neighborhood for a few months while I waited for the class. I'm not sure I'd recommend this method, as it has obvious dangers, but it did work for me. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Paper [SMTP:cerberus@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:17 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. > > Sadly, this is not news. I signed up for the MSF class last year in early > march, and the first opening they had was sept 9/10 :(. I took it, and > had to wait all summer. Being the dufus that I am, I decided not to even > buy a bike until I had gone to the class because I knew I wouldn't be able > to resist. Missed a good summer for riding IIRC. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 15:19:50 2000 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:19:22 -0500 Subject: Frame painting Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX Does anyone know a shop that does frame painting on smaller items such as MCs in the metro area? I'm not looking for bike show quality, just a paint job... Thanks, -John From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 15:41:13 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'jnewman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Frame painting Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:38:51 -0500 try www.speedwerks.com > -----Original Message----- > From: jnewman@XXXXXX [SMTP:jnewman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 3:19 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Frame painting > > Does anyone know a shop that does frame painting on smaller > items such as MCs in the metro area? I'm not looking for bike > show quality, just a paint job... > > Thanks, > > -John From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 15:53:03 2000 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:52:33 -0500 Subject: RE: Frame painting Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mark, Speedwerks is a great shop- I bought my fzr400 from Steve and Jon over there, but Dover, DE is a little too far away for this project. I want a cheap paint job for the Vespa I just bought. Thanks though! -John From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Frame painting try www.speedwerks.com > -----Original Message----- > From: jnewman@XXXXXX [SMTP:jnewman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 3:19 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Frame painting > > Does anyone know a shop that does frame painting on smaller > items such as MCs in the metro area? I'm not looking for bike > show quality, just a paint job... > > Thanks, > > -John From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 15:58:03 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:57:55 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Garcia Oliver cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Is that what I said? No, acutally, it wasn't anywhere fucking close to what I said. Shut your fuckhole. Weren't you the idiot that was complaining about batteries last week? On Thu, 2 Mar 1972, Garcia Oliver wrote: > > So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who was there > first? I don't think so. > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > > the week. > > > > That sucks ass. > > > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > > late June. > > > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > > some strings? > > > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > > grrr.... > > > > -- > > Ken Woods > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:00:42 2000 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:00:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Frame painting Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX I believe speedwerk's web address is www.speed-werks.com, although their site seems to be down at the moment... -John From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Frame painting try www.speedwerks.com > -----Original Message----- > From: jnewman@XXXXXX [SMTP:jnewman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 3:19 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Frame painting > > Does anyone know a shop that does frame painting on smaller > items such as MCs in the metro area? I'm not looking for bike > show quality, just a paint job... > > Thanks, > > -John From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:15:23 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:12:39 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Ken Woods CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Yeppers - classes fill up fast. I tell folks to register waaayy early, like around Christmas, and they all go yeah, yeah, riiggghht. This is about the time they come by and cry because they procrastinated. Somebody asked if it was lack of instructors, facilties, or equiment. ALL of the above. The instructors, save for a couple, are part time. Divide the pay by hours and it works out to about $10/hr, so we do it because we like it and have a real job to pay the bills. Facilities are a problem - need a BIG flat, unobstructed chunk of asphalt. Flat and unbstructed are optional, from the courses I've worked on. Keeping the *ahem* abused bikes going and having enough bikes is an ongoing problem. Not enough money. Both Alex and Lo campus has added mid-week courses, pending on finding enough instructors for same. Now of all the real job employers would allow X days off for thier instructor employees to work mid-week.... I'm dreaming. Answer to last question - no, instructors can't pull strings even if if there were strings to pull. Full is full, bottom line. My only suggestion would be to form a 12 person pre-paid group and with cash in hand attempt to score a mid-week class. Assuming I don't have any conflicts, you could sweeten the offer with me as signed on range target .. er... I mean instructor. Bill Huson Ken Woods wrote: > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > the week. > > That sucks ass. > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > late June. > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > some strings? > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > grrr.... > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:20:55 2000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:20:22 PST >I ended up just saying "to hell with it" and bought the bike to ride while >I >waited for the MSF class. I rode illegally around the neighborhood for a >few >months while I waited for the class. I think this is pretty common. I'm curious... How many of us actually had a motorcycle endorsement when they bought their first bike? How about when they first RODE one? Me... I didn't even have my driver's license when I rode my first motorcycle on the street. I was 14. I didn't get a motorcycle endorsement until I was over 30. But I didn't own a motorcycle for much of that time. Was I really risking it? I never got a ticket until after I got my license endorsed! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:30:03 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:25 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Ken Woods" , "garicao@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Oh. My. God. Now that really wasn't necessary, now was it?? Geez people! Don't have a cow, man! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Author: kwoods@XXXXXX (Ken Woods) Date: 03/02/2000 3:57 PM Is that what I said? No, acutally, it wasn't anywhere fucking close to what I said. Shut your fuckhole. Weren't you the idiot that was complaining about batteries last week? On Thu, 2 Mar 1972, Garcia Oliver wrote: > > So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who was there > first? I don't think so. > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > > the week. > > > > That sucks ass. > > > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > > late June. > > > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > > some strings? > > > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > > grrr.... > > > > -- > > Ken Woods > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:31:44 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Tom Zell cc: "garicao@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Oh. My. God. Fuck him. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Tom Zell wrote: > Now that really wasn't necessary, now was it?? > > Geez people! Don't have a cow, man! > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. > Author: kwoods@XXXXXX (Ken Woods) > Date: 03/02/2000 3:57 PM > > Is that what I said? > > No, acutally, it wasn't anywhere fucking close to what I said. > > Shut your fuckhole. > > Weren't you the idiot that was complaining about batteries last week? > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 1972, Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > > > So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who was there > > first? I don't think so. > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > > > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > > > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > > > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > > > the week. > > > > > > That sucks ass. > > > > > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > > > late June. > > > > > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > > > some strings? > > > > > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > > > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > > > grrr.... > > > > > > -- > > > Ken Woods > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:35:33 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Bill Huson'" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:32:03 -0800 Bill, >From what I've heard in Maryland, they won't accept registrations prior to March 1st (or thereabouts) so you can't sign up at Christmas. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Yeppers - classes fill up fast. I tell folks to register waaayy early, like around Christmas, and they all go yeah, yeah, riiggghht. This is about the time they come by and cry because they procrastinated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:40:26 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:37:52 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. I rode without an endorsement - around my neighborhood - then took the *test*, for what it was worth back in `71. You rode a big figure 8 and if you made it back to the cop with no visible blood, you got your permit. There were no MSF classes, but I do recall ordering a book from the MSF? It was a lot like the current manual and I wish I could find it to compare. Bill > > I think this is pretty common. I'm curious... How many of us actually had a > motorcycle endorsement when they bought their first bike? How about when > they first RODE one? Me... I didn't even have my driver's license when I > rode my first motorcycle on the street. I was 14. I didn't get a motorcycle > endorsement until I was over 30. But I didn't own a motorcycle for much of > that time. Was I really risking it? I never got a ticket until after I got > my license endorsed! > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:40:33 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Oh. My. God. Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:36:12 -0500 You don't have to ride illegally only because you haven't taken a MSF course. I concur with Chris that it isn't the recommended path, but in the District all you need to do to get a learner's permit (which permits daytime solo riding) is to pass a 20 question written (multiple guess) exam. I think Virginia operates in the same manner. Bests, Erik '80 CX500 "Das Beast" -----Original Message----- From: Weaver, Chris_(MD) [mailto:CWeaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:56 PM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. I ended up just saying "to hell with it" and bought the bike to ride while I waited for the MSF class. I rode illegally around the neighborhood for a few months while I waited for the class. I'm not sure I'd recommend this method, as it has obvious dangers, but it did work for me. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Paper [SMTP:cerberus@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:17 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. > > Sadly, this is not news. I signed up for the MSF class last year in early > march, and the first opening they had was sept 9/10 :(. I took it, and > had to wait all summer. Being the dufus that I am, I decided not to even > buy a bike until I had gone to the class because I knew I wouldn't be able > to resist. Missed a good summer for riding IIRC. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:51:29 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:50:59 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Garcia Oliver Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1972 14:13:54 -0500 (EST) >So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who >was there first? I don't think so. I recall a post here a couple of years ago detailing how one could go about registering for the MSF at one of the NOVA campuses, then just show up early at one of the Spring classes, and hope there was a no-show (or no-shows). If the instructor of that course was willing, you could get in. Some folks sign up then chicken out at the last minute (those Nighthawk 250s are just SO SCARY ). It's a hit-or-miss affair, you may have to try it a few times, but it beats waiting all summer. Just relaying what I've heard, I haven't tried it myself. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:52:21 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:49:30 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: "Coleman, Perry" CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Yes, I'm sure VA has a turnon date also. Earlier than Mar 1st I'm sure as I seem to recall the classes were getting packed in Feb. LO starts in a couple weeks and runs until Dec. Bill Coleman, Perry wrote: > Bill, > > >From what I've heard in Maryland, they won't accept registrations prior to > March 1st (or thereabouts) so you can't sign up at Christmas. > > Perry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. > > Yeppers - classes fill up fast. I tell folks to register waaayy early, like > around Christmas, and they all go yeah, yeah, riiggghht. This is about the > time they come by and cry because they procrastinated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 17:16:33 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:16:20 -0500 From: "Mullins John" Organization: BAH X-Accept-Language: en To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. This story is correct. I took the MSF course two years ago at NOVA. Three people showed up the first night of the class that were not registered. They signed a list and waited for no shows. There was one no show and one of the three guys joined our class. John 99 VFR800 Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Garcia Oliver > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1972 14:13:54 -0500 (EST) > > >So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who > >was there first? I don't think so. > > I recall a post here a couple of years ago detailing how one could > go about registering for the MSF at one of the NOVA campuses, > then just show up early at one of the Spring classes, and hope > there was a no-show (or no-shows). If the instructor of that > course was willing, you could get in. Some folks sign up then > chicken out at the last minute (those Nighthawk 250s are just > SO SCARY ). It's a hit-or-miss affair, you may have to > try it a few times, but it beats waiting all summer. > > Just relaying what I've heard, I haven't tried it myself. > > Dale > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 17:23:10 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:22:57 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , "Doug Allis" Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:20:22 PST > How many of us actually had a motorcycle endorsement when they > bought their first bike? Nope. >How about when they first RODE one? Nope, that occured about 3 minutes later. :) >Was I really risking it? I never got a ticket until after I got >my license endorsed! I never did anything that would have gotten me pulled over while I was riding around the neighborhood unlicensed. I had ridden dirtbikes a little bit as a kid, so it wasn't a totally new concept riding on the street. I learned just enough that I had something to unlearn when I took the MSF a month or two later. :) Not that I recommend this approach, I mention the MSF to anybody who starts asking me questions about getting into motorcycling. It's the best way to go about things. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 17:25:08 2000 X-Originating-IP: [63.80.246.6] From: "x y" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:24:30 GMT Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 17:50:25 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:45:13 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey To: Doug Allis cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Doug Allis wrote: > I think this is pretty common. I'm curious... How many of us actually had a > motorcycle endorsement when they bought their first bike? Endorsement, taken and passed MSF class, and then bought my street bike. > How about when they first RODE one? Street bike? Yup, absolutely. Even practiced in the USGS parking lots for a couple of weeks before getting into traffic. > Me... I didn't even have my driver's license when I rode my first > motorcycle on the street. I was 14. I didn't get a motorcycle > endorsement until I was over 30. But I didn't own a motorcycle for > much of that time. Was I really risking it? I never got a ticket > until after I got my license endorsed! Depends on "risk". Hell, I rode dirt bikes in rural South Carolina as a teen with bare feet, shorts and a t-shirt. Protective gear was goggles, if you had a few folks riding with you. :) Of course, now that asphalt and other drivers are involved, I'm a full-fledged safety nut, for myself. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 18:40:28 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1972 18:43:59 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Ken Woods cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Sure sounds like what you said: "I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull some strings?" Of course I could be wrong about you---but, on current evidence, I doubt it. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > Is that what I said? > > No, acutally, it wasn't anywhere fucking close to what I said. > > Shut your fuckhole. > > Weren't you the idiot that was complaining about batteries last week? > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 1972, Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > > > So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who was there > > first? I don't think so. > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > > > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > > > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > > > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > > > the week. > > > > > > That sucks ass. > > > > > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > > > late June. > > > > > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > > > some strings? > > > > > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > > > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > > > grrr.... > > > > > > -- > > > Ken Woods > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 18:56:10 2000 From: RMHGFH@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:55:10 EST Subject: seasonal maintenance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gentlemen, and Ladies, As excited as we are about the beginning of the new riding season, let us not forget the importance of seasonal maintenance. The other day, as I was draining my fork oil, I grabbed the front brake, and sprang down on the handlebars to push out the last few drops. To my surprise, the bars spun down almost to the tank. Granted it was an unusually large force that I had supplied, but not the type of discovery that a motorcyclist wants chance in an adverse situation. With further investigation, I found the clamp nuts much to loose. A discovery that I would never have found if I was not in the middle of this seasonal maintenance. Tire pressure, rear wheel mounting bolts, handlebars, clip-ons, etc., all need a good inspection. A wise man once said, "Vibration never tightens, only loosens." Best wishes for automobile-free curvy-road riding, John '93 R100R From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 18:57:31 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'harry@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:55:27 -0500 I vote to remove him from the list. He is constantly rude and belligerent. This is a community, not a public place (although he wouldn't say those things in person I am sure). PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > -----Original Message----- > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? > > Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 20:32:22 2000 From: ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: MSF classes Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:42:38 -0800 Encoding: 43 TEXT I too have 3-4 friends that are anxious to take the beginners class. How about it ? Niv F650ST DR650 Ken Woods wrote: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Oh. My. God. So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru late July. Registration opened on Monday. They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of the week. That sucks ass. So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is late June. I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull some strings? I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? grrr.... -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 21:37:52 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:37:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Mark Kitchell cc: "'harry@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Good idea. Take me off. You people are fucked up. I've gotten several feel good messages about how you all meet each other and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, blah. Fuck each and every one of you. Harry, PLEASE remove me. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I vote to remove him from the list. He is constantly rude and belligerent. > This is a community, not a public place (although he wouldn't say those > things in person I am sure). > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? > > > > Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 21:38:39 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:38:38 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Mark Kitchell cc: "'harry@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I vote to remove him from the list. He is constantly rude and > belligerent. This is a community, not a public place (although he > wouldn't say those things in person I am sure). ha.... Ask those that have met me, and you'll get a different answer. > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? > > > > Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 22:27:16 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! To: Ken Woods , Mark Kitchell Cc: "'harry@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Hey, I've never met either one of you but my vote is for Mark to shut up and leave well enough alone. Don't let anyone run you off the list Ken. Glenn --- Ken Woods wrote: > > Good idea. > > > Take me off. > > You people are fucked up. > > I've gotten several feel good messages about how you > all meet each other > and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, > blah. > > > Fuck each and every one of you. > > > Harry, PLEASE remove me. > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I vote to remove him from the list. He is > constantly rude and belligerent. > > This is a community, not a public place (although > he wouldn't say those > > things in person I am sure). > > > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go > away? > > > > > > Write Harry the list manager at > harry@XXXXXX > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 23:05:21 2000 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "Ken Woods" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:04:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm curious, Ken. How old are you? Most people outgrow this way of expressing themselves in high school. I frankly don't care whether the list is a family or not, whether you ever meet me or any other list member or not. And I really don't care whether you're a nice guy or the village idiot. But, were I in your shoes, I'd be embarrassed about my inability to write articulately. Since you probably don't understand what I'm saying, I'll volunteer to be embarrassed for you. Would you kiss your mother with that mouth? > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 9:38 PM > To: Mark Kitchell > Cc: 'harry@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > Good idea. > > > Take me off. > > You people are fucked up. > > I've gotten several feel good messages about how you all meet each other > and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, blah. > > > Fuck each and every one of you. > > > Harry, PLEASE remove me. > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I vote to remove him from the list. He is constantly rude and > belligerent. > > This is a community, not a public place (although he wouldn't say those > > things in person I am sure). > > > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? > > > > > > Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 00:08:19 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:46:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Ken shut up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually, I thought it was kinda funny that the person posted using an anonymous hotmail account, but didn't spoof their account... very easy to figure out who it was if you save all your email in the trash folder like I used to do... As for his behaviour.... I agree it's a little unecessary and a bit out of place on a G-rated email list; however, at least he has the cohones to tell us how he really feels and sign his name to it... I may not like his choice of words, but I respect it...I'll know up front what he believes in, what he thinks of me, etc. then I can choose to be around him or not... besides... it's very easy to just set up an auto delete filter on his name if you feel his choice of colorful language is too much for you... Collin (just playing devil's advocate and stirring the pot a bit) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 01:38:39 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:37:53 EST Subject: MSF, endorsements, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The first time (more on that in a minute) I got my M class rating, the "Test" was this: DMV guy: "Ok, start the bike and make a left out of the parking lot. Make a left at the first stoplight and go down to the stopsign. Make another left there, and you'll come down the street behind us - pull into the lot there in the back". I did so. I guess since he saw me leave the parking lot on the bike, and didn't hear a large screeching or crashing noise between then and when I got back, I was fully qualified to ride a motorcycle. Oh... and me made me ride across the parking lot and stop with my front wheel in a box painted on the ground. Years later, I accidentally let my license expire. Tip of the day: Don't do this. I had to retake both the driving AND written tests... for car and motorcycle!! The car one... no problem. The bike one... LOL, I *failed* it. I had just gotten my new YZF600R, and for the life of me couldn't do the stupid test where the guy puts 4 little cones in a line, and you have come to a *complete* stop (without putting your feet down) at each one, then continue to the next and repeat. In all honesty... I dunno if I could do this on my Duc today if you asked me. The cones were about 8 feet apart in a sandy parking lot, and I couldn't get a straight answer form the guy on what qualified as a "complete stop" (i.e. how long you had to be motionless). As I was leaving, the DMV guy tried to impart some wisdom as to how important is was that I could perform that particular maneuver on the street. I asked him, "Um, when would I need to do that, exactly?". He kinda blinked and said, "Well, all the time". I then asked if he rode a bike... to which I got a blank stare. At any rate, my girlfriend wanted to learn how to ride, and I told her I'd take the MSF course with her instead of teaching her myself (I avoid teaching people). We both did, and I got my M class rating. I rode for about 3 months on an expired license... not smart if you get busted or have an accident, but I didn't :) I still have no idea why being able to come to a "complete stop" 4 times in a row next to two-inch tall orange cones inside 32 feet without putting your feet down is an important skill, but that's the big test these days. I guess if I can't do that... well, I just suck and obviously do not know how to ride a motorcycle (I'm not bitter). As for the current wait for the MSF course... in VA you can sign up WAY in advance. We got in the first weekend that was available that year, I think I signed up in Dec or Jan. It was miserable... cold and raining... but it was kinda fun going the rear-end lock-up thing in the rain... I got a good run and slid the hell out of that 250 :) As someone else already mentioned - you can just show up and hope someone who did get in doesn't show. It's a *very* common occurrence. There were 3 no-shows for our class. I think 5 people showed up as "walk-ins", so 2 of 'em had to go home... but the other 3 were happy as clams. (ANd this was a weekend class... prob easier during the week). Also... VA now (*finally*) has a motorcycle learner's permit. This has always killed me that in VA, you couldn't ride a motorcycle without a license, yet to get a license, you had to know how to ride a motorcycle. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-335 - Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 02:13:45 2000 From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:58:06 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF84B3.EB138280 I was a walk-in a few years ago (arrived a few hours ahead of time at = the Alex'a campus) and while I didn't make the immediate class I did do = it the following week and was very satisfied. Did *not* want to wait = the several weeks for a regular spot. =20 Germanna, near Fredericksburg, offers MSF courses -- don't know lead = time but seem to remember it was less than NVCC last time I checked -- http://www.gc.cc.va.us/ click on academics -- Course Schedules; click on = Non-credit Courses -- Spring 2000 Non-credit Course Schedule; click on = Transportation Programs. Courses held at Locust Grove campus. Fburg = 540 710 2000. LocGr 540 727 3000. Both MSF:RSS (beginner) and ERC = (experienced) courses. Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF84B3.EB138280
I was a walk-in a few years ago (arrived a few hours = ahead of=20 time at the Alex'a campus) and while I didn't make the immediate class I = did do=20 it the following week and was very satisfied.  Did *not* want to = wait the=20 several weeks for a regular spot. 
 
Germanna, near Fredericksburg, offers MSF courses -- = don't=20 know lead time but seem to remember it was less than NVCC last time I = checked=20 --
 
http://www.gc.cc.va.us/ click = on=20 academics -- Course Schedules; click on Non-credit Courses -- Spring = 2000=20 Non-credit Course Schedule; click on Transportation Programs.  = Courses held=20 at Locust Grove campus.  Fburg 540 710 2000.  LocGr 540 727=20 3000.  Both MSF:RSS (beginner) and ERC (experienced) = courses.
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750
Join the AMA.  Help protect my = riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF84B3.EB138280-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 06:24:21 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:23:33 EST Subject: Ken Woods or the List To: harry@XXXXXX ('harry@XXXXXX'), dc-cycles@XXXXXX ('DC Cycles') In a message dated 3/2/00 9:55:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, kwoods@XXXXXX writes: << Harry, PLEASE remove me >> Harry, Bill Gawthrop of Maryland here. I understand that you are running this list so please bear with me. A little background. Over the last three or four years I have watched four or five motorcycle lists evolve, mature and die and in each case, the death knell was an atmosphere generated by traffic like Ken's. This is the first time, however, the person involved said, "Take me off the list." This is his request and whether you honor it or not is up to you. If you do not, however, you can expect others to be driven off the list, and the list polarized and become off topic. That's the pattern of how lists die. Your choice. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 06:38:26 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:22:34 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. To: Ken Woods , DC-Cycles Mailing List Standby is the best way to get in earlier than what is available on the list. It'll probably take a couple of weeks to get the standby figured out, but persistance usually pays off. In Maryland, checking frequently will also sometimes result in an earlier class, when a student who has signed up for a class takes it early as a standby, that slot then becomes available for another student. Sometimes in the mid-year classes we'll get students who signed up in March along with others who signed up less than two weeks earlier. I also agree with Garcia, Ken was indeed asking how to 'jump' the line. Above are two ways to do it legally. There are a couple of ways for instructors to pull strings and get students into a particular class, but this doesn't warrant anything that drastic. Leon. --- Ken Woods wrote: > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking > the MSF class. > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that > they are booked thru > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings > at all) by the end of > the week. > > That sucks ass. > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first > opening they have is > late June. > > I know we've got some instructors > here.............can any of you pull > some strings? > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say > "Yes, I'll learn to > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is > half over to do it? > grrr.... > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 07:08:23 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Alexandria Stand-by policy To: DC-Cycles As some people mentioned, the Alexandria NVCC MSF programs offers a stand-by policy for people trying to get into the class. (As far as I know Loudoun does not). In the past people would come in, write their name on the board, and it was first come first serve. The problem was people started to abuse this; they would come by around noon, write their name on the board, then go home and come back about 5:30. The new way of doing stand-bys is you have to wait outside the door, lined up to the right. When the first instructor arrives, he or she will then take names in the order people are in line. The usual question I get is "How many people get in?" And of course it varies. I've had several weekends where nobody made it in as a stand-by, and I've had a weekend where 6 people made it in. I would say the average is 2. Sometimes we tell one person they can stay through the class Friday night, and if someone doesn't show up on the range Saturday morning, they are in. I've only seen this work about 30% of the time, so it is a risk of time. Finally, if you are going to try to come in as a stand by, be prepared to pay for the course Friday night, or prove you are registered for a future course (registration form). Louis ===== Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA 1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 08:06:27 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:00:18 -0500 Subject: all apologies Content-Disposition: inline I have been told that my joke about the 6-foot cop went out 3 times yesterday. Very sorry, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 08:20:14 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:18:00 -0500 (EST) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: Danny Thompson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Superbike: was- Superbike 2000 by EA Sports Picked it up last weeked at CompUSA Gaithersburg for $20. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 08:59:06 2000 From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Seafoam Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:00:36 -0500 Hi folks, Well the spring is here but not in the step of my Seca. Thanks to the folks who helped with the distilled water question, and the battery seems to be holding a charge. Anyone know where I can get "Seafoam?" Guys on the XJ group who live in WI and MN really think highly of it. I want to do the chemical route of carb cleaning before I resort to pulling the rack. I live in Reston, Va. Thanks, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:03:49 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , , Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:05:54 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Personally I thought Kens message was the funniest damn thing on this list in a while. Do I think Ken is an a**hole? Of course! The funniest part about that message was his overreaction and the fact that I picture him pissed-off pounding it into his keyboard. No offense to anyone, but some days reading this list is a combination of Dear Heloise and a church newsletter. Sure, I've gotten some good advice and met some cool people etc. But a little controversy or shake up keeps things interesting. I try to avoid offending people with colorful language and such. But, nothing offends me more than a bunch of do-gooders attempting to stop all fun and interest from life. If you are offended by a message, delete it. The only messages that have offended me lately are the ones pushing to kick Ken off the list and all the religious crap. If you want a do-gooder religious biker list, count me out. I ride and subscribe for FUN. Come on people, laugh it off and press delete. Who knows, Ken may have just faded away if you ignored him. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:16:50 2000 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ryan Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:16:19 -0800 Sean and I went to visit Ryan last night at the Washington Hosipital Center (my hat's off to those of you who travel DC roads every day). Ryan is just about how you would expect someone to be after a bad crash - hurting and woozy from painkillers. He said that he was being drugged more than he wanted to be, I suggested perhaps not, and he allowed that I might be right. Anyhoo - general condition is pretty much as Collin wrote - broken collarbone and a pinned leg. He can move his toes on the left side, but still has partial loss of feeling in his left arm. It looks like he's going to be moved to another facility to start rehab in a week or so - no word on what facility yet. His mother is in town from Alaska, and is staying with a cousin (I believe) in Baltimore. He doesn't remember anything about the incident except waking up beside a big yellow box. He did say that he had wanted his first helicopter ride to be a fun experience, though. That's about all - I'll be dropping in again sometime this weekend - he's in the burn ward (?) and has a 2 visitor limit. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:30:42 2000 X-Originating-IP: [206.249.129.230] From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Salvage Title Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:30:09 EST Hey guys Anybody know how hard or easy or if it is at all possible to register a bike with a salvage title in Virginia. Thanks Altaan Choudhry NO BIKE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:34:04 2000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:31:31 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Michael Jay CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Seafoam Try a marine store. Boats suffer from not enough use, especailly when the water getas hard (ice). Storage and spring light off chems take up an entire gondola display at most marine stores. Bill Michael Jay wrote: > Hi folks, > > Well the spring is here but not in the step of my Seca. > > Thanks to the folks who helped with the distilled water question, and the > battery seems to be holding a charge. > > Anyone know where I can get "Seafoam?" > > Guys on the XJ group who live in WI and MN really think highly of it. > > I want to do the chemical route of carb cleaning before I resort to pulling > the rack. > > I live in Reston, Va. > > Thanks, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:47:59 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: MSF, endorsements, etc. Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:47:46 -0500 Uh oh... My license expired in January. Um... Do you think they still make you bother with retaking the tests and all that? What a royal pain in the ass. I guess I'll be sending the list an update on the current requirements soon. Chris '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:38 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: MSF, endorsements, etc. > > > Years later, I accidentally let my license expire. Tip of the day: Don't > do > this. I had to retake both the driving AND written tests... > - Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:52:00 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:58:39 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Any Weekend Rides? Just wondering if anyone's scheduled any weekend rides... Anyway, just what the hell IS the weather supposed to be this weekend? Seems like the weather men just can't get it right... - Jeannette L. Zell '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:52:53 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:52:14 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: Yeah Ken, stick around. We need to learn how normal people behave and communicate so we wont be so fucked up. > Hey, I've never met either one of you but my vote is > for Mark to shut up and leave well enough alone. > Don't let anyone run you off the list Ken. > > Glenn > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:53:17 2000 From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Peace be with you (RE: FW: Shut Ken Woods up!) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:54:41 -0500 >Personally I thought Kens message was the funniest damn thing on this list >in a while. And? >No offense to anyone, but some days reading this list is a combination of >Dear Heloise and a church newsletter. Sure, I've gotten some good advice >and met some cool people etc. But a little controversy or shake up keeps >things interesting. Contention and courtesy can go together. >I try to avoid offending people with colorful language and such. But, >nothing offends me more than a bunch of do-gooders attempting to stop all >fun and interest from life. If you are offended by a message, delete it. >The only messages that have offended me lately are the ones pushing to kick >Ken off the list and all the religious crap. The subject was behavior, not theology--you introduced religion. >If you want a do-gooder religious biker list, count me out. I ride and >subscribe for FUN. Come on people, laugh it off and press delete. Who >knows, Ken may have just faded away if you ignored him. We agree that ranting and raving solve little to nothing except perhaps to stir the emotional froth of the irrational--even the rationalist. What a great day for a ride, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:57:38 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:57:21 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Salvage Title Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Altaan Choudhry wrote: > Anybody know how hard or easy or if it is at all possible to register a > bike with a salvage title in Virginia. I have no idea. However, you may be able to get a clean title from Vermont. Their motor vehicles dept has a web site out there somewhere... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:13:28 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:12:51 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any Weekend Rides? The weather should be really nice on Sunday. Maybe we could all get together for a group hug and a ride ;-). On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > Just wondering if anyone's scheduled any weekend rides... > Anyway, just what the hell IS the weather supposed to be this weekend? > Seems like the weather men just can't get it right... > > - Jeannette L. Zell > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:20:18 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:18:19 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Any Weekend Rides? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I heard that the weather will be ride-able - 50s-60s - but if you don't want to ride but want to drop by the house and watch Dale replace tires, do valve adjustments, change the oil, etc. - let me know. :) Have fun riding. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:24:56 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:24:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! To: Ken Woods Cc: "'harry@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" --- Ken Woods wrote: > Good idea. > Take me off. > You people are fucked up. > I've gotten several feel good messages about how you > all meet each other > and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, > blah. > Fuck each and every one of you. Is this an offer? Produce that butthole then and give all of us a poke at it. > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I vote to remove him from the list. He is > constantly rude and belligerent. > > This is a community, not a public place (although > he wouldn't say those > > things in person I am sure). > > > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:29:25 2000 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:28:03 -0500 Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Content-Disposition: inline ROTFLMFAO!!! --- Ken Woods wrote: > Good idea. > Take me off. > You people are fucked up. > I've gotten several feel good messages about how you > all meet each other > and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, > blah. > Fuck each and every one of you. Is this an offer? Produce that butthole then and give all of us a poke at it. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:32:48 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! To: "Jay St. Peter" , kwoods@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > No offense to anyone, but some days reading this > list is a combination of > Dear Heloise and a church newsletter. Sure, I've > gotten some good advice > and met some cool people etc. But a little > controversy or shake up keeps > things interesting. > > I try to avoid offending people with colorful > language and such. But, > nothing offends me more than a bunch of do-gooders > attempting to stop all > fun and interest from life. If you are offended by > a message, delete it. > The only messages that have offended me lately are > the ones pushing to kick > Ken off the list and all the religious crap. > > If you want a do-gooder religious biker list, count > me out. I ride and > subscribe for FUN. Come on people, laugh it off and > press delete. Who > knows, Ken may have just faded away if you ignored > him. And I thought I was the only who felt this way, well besides Steve Beck!!! I know exactly what you are talking about. Some of the people on this list act like they never break laws or do ANYTHING wrong. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:35:15 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Horstman, Tracy L'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Any Weekend Rides? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:26:39 -0800 I'd love to drop by and watch Dale do those things - on my bikes! ;^) But I'm going to Cleveland... Perry -----Original Message----- From: Horstman, Tracy L [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 10:18 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Any Weekend Rides? I heard that the weather will be ride-able - 50s-60s - but if you don't want to ride but want to drop by the house and watch Dale replace tires, do valve adjustments, change the oil, etc. - let me know. :) Have fun riding. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 11:01:32 2000 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:01:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Salvage Title Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX I have worked with a company is the past called " tidewater title service" out of Hampton, VA. For $100. the can get you a fresh VA tile for a car or bike. As i remember, all you need to supply is the bill of sale, odometer reading, your address and a check for the $$. I got a new title for my FZR because it came with a salvage title form N.C. and the ownership trail was not complete. (I bought the bike from speedwerks in DE.- The frame (& title) was from a insurance co auction that they had deemed "totalled". Speedwerks used the frame ( which was fine- no damage from the wreck) and rebuilt the bike from scratch. It is also a good idea to get rid of the salvage title because it affects the value of the bike if you want to sell it. As I understand, no matter what condiditon the bike is in, if it has a salvage title it is automatically worth approx. 1/3 less than bluebook. That alone is worth the $100. IMO. The process takes about a month. Hope it helps. -John Tidewater Title Service 40 Diggs Drive Hampton, VA. 23666 (757) 766-0063 Subject: Re: Salvage Title On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Altaan Choudhry wrote: > Anybody know how hard or easy or if it is at all possible to register a > bike with a salvage title in Virginia. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 12:02:18 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Nelson Fernandez Cc: Danny Thompson , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: '99 yzf600 for sale frame is trashed: NO VFR, SV Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 20:03:23 GMT That reminds me, I know someone selling an 89 fzr 600 for $1500 but it needs a head gasket. It looks pretty good though, solo seat cowl tail section though. That $1500 is probably or best offer or something... if anyone is interested let me know. It's red with grey wheels and i think polished lips.. daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 12:02:56 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Ken Woods Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 20:04:20 GMT I hear you.. maybe we can create our own student roster? I know of about 4 people who need to take the class. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 12:07:09 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 20:05:28 GMT I did the same, but only for about a month.. but i do think i picked up some bad habbits.. but i think they are all gone now... On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:56:09 -0500 , you wrote: |>I ended up just saying "to hell with it" and bought the bike to ride = while I |>waited for the MSF class. I rode illegally around the neighborhood for = a few |>months while I waited for the class. I'm not sure I'd recommend this = method, |>as it has obvious dangers, but it did work for me. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 12:07:21 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Coleman, Perry" Cc: "'Bill Huson'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 20:07:39 GMT The thing about maryland is, I think, you can sign up different times for different counties.. so if say waldorf is full try PG, or montgomery county locations.. or fredrick or something... it's worth the drive rather than wait all summer. daniel On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:32:03 -0800 , you wrote: |>Bill, |> |>From what I've heard in Maryland, they won't accept registrations prior= to |>March 1st (or thereabouts) so you can't sign up at Christmas.=20 |> |>Perry |> |>-----Original Message----- |>From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] |>Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. |> |> |>Yeppers - classes fill up fast. I tell folks to register waaayy early,= like |>around Christmas, and they all go yeah, yeah, riiggghht. This is about= the |>time they come by and cry because they procrastinated. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 12:14:26 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Coleman, Perry" Cc: "'Tom Zell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:59:38 GMT I believe the R model also is known as the zx6-F1 On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:18:21 -0800 , you wrote: |>Tom, |> |>I appreciate the feedback. I'd like to find a nice '95, or thereabouts,= so I |>guess I'll be looking for an E3. |> |>Perry |> From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 13:03:57 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:03:17 EST Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/3/00 10:35:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: > Some of the people on this list act > like they never break laws or do ANYTHING wrong. Hey! I'm a *saint*. That remark offends me greatly!! And I only use the Ducati on weekends to go to the store for milk and bread. ;) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 13:32:00 2000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:25:01 -0500 Subject: potholes! From: "Marcy" To: DC Cycles ohhhhhhh MAN! going N395 at rush hour - bumper to bumper .... I know there's alot of potholes there and I pretty much know where they are so can avoid them, but this one giant, about-1-foot-deep-wider-than-my-tire pothole leaped out at me ... the bike dropped into it, I somehow sort of popped the front tire back out again and wiggled the rear around to miss it - I guess I had enough momentum or something - did not wipe out by some miracle .... rode home thinking "i bet I got a flat" it rode fine all the way home, tire pressure seemed ok, next day I come outside and half the air is gone. be careful out there ... :D >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 14:09:04 2000 To: "Marcy" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: potholes! Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:06:14 -0500 From: Mark In your message dated: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:25:01 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => ohhhhhhh MAN! => going N395 at rush hour - bumper to bumper .... I know there's alot of => potholes there and I pretty much know where they are so can avoid them, but => this one giant, about-1-foot-deep-wider-than-my-tire pothole leaped out at => me ... the bike dropped into it, I somehow sort of popped the front tire => back out again and wiggled the rear around to miss it - I guess I had enough => momentum or something - did not wipe out by some miracle .... rode home => thinking "i bet I got a flat" => it rode fine all the way home, tire pressure seemed ok, next day I come => outside and half the air is gone. You probably bent your rim. My condolonces. If you are comfortable riding on a repaired rim (I have for ~6 years), try: Dave Moore Wheel Service I don't know if he's moved, but www.bigyellow.com gives 2 addresses: David Moore Wheel Service Apple Valley, CA 92307 (760) 240-3543 Moore David Wheel Service Alhambra, CA 91801 (626) 280-9815 (I remember the Alhambra address) And Usenet gives a phone number that seems familiar to me from when I used his services: 818-280-9815 => => be careful out there ... Yep. And check your tire pressure _before_ you hit a pothole. Having too little air means that your rims will bend more easily ($$ and/or sudden loss of pressure). Mark => :D => => >>>>>>>Marcy => >>>>>>>CB-1 400F => >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." => ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 14:37:57 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1972 14:41:22 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Ken Woods cc: Mark Kitchell , "'harry@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Irrespective of my opinion of Mr. Woods, kicking him off this list seems unnecessary and a bad precedent. Anyone who doesn't like his language, behavior, or personality (non-exclusive "or") can filter/delete easily enough. Those who appreciate his finer qualities, if any, and those who like to rattle cages should not lose the chance to benefit from his wit, charm, and command of the English language. --garcia "Forget world peace---visualize using your turn signals." On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > Good idea. > > > Take me off. > > You people are fucked up. > > I've gotten several feel good messages about how you all meet each other > and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, blah. > > > Fuck each and every one of you. > > > Harry, PLEASE remove me. > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I vote to remove him from the list. He is constantly rude and belligerent. > > This is a community, not a public place (although he wouldn't say those > > things in person I am sure). > > > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? > > > > > > Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 15:17:20 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:17:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Ride tomorrow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Anyone up for some more riding tomorrow?? Weather guessers can't make up their mind on what it's going to do tomorrow (not like they've even been remotely right all week anyhow), so I say to heck with them and plan a ride anyway! I have to be done riding by 4pm (gotta do the kids B-day at Chucky Cheese's at 5 in woodbridge) so lets meet at the BK in sterling just off of route 7 at 10 AM and be pulling out of the lot no later than 10:30. Route still to be determined, but I will come up with something nice most likely zigzagging north and south so that if anyone needs to head back early for any reason, we'll always be near a main road of some sort. I have an FRS radio with an earphone mic, so if you have a chatterbox FRS, or a similar FRS setup, bring it along ;-) Anita and I were out the other day and established at least a mile range with them if not further.... Definitely cool stuff! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 15:20:29 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:19:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Visiting Ryan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm getting ready to ride into town and pay Ryan Mclune a visit. Anyone else want to come along?? It will likely be about 30-45 minutes before I am ready to leave the house and another 30 to get to the hospital... Drop me a note if anyone wants to come along... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 16:25:03 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Cc: Subject: Ken Woods Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:23:54 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have to agree with other members of DC-Cycles about shutting up Ken Woods. We've had neusances in the past (Squeekers comes to mind) but she was at least funny in her insults and flames. Ken's just downright vulgar for no rhyme or reason. I've certainly had enough and suspect that a multitue of others are quite fed up with it aswell. Just letting you know my thoughts... Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 17:03:34 2000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:01 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: re: oh my god yeah, the registration process is bordering on unconscionable. on the other hand they get their $ no matter what so there's no incentive to change. When I took the class last year the instructor told me they have only 2 people answering the phones. It really does suck ass. But.ya know.. I think the resolution lies w/ us not them. The real problem is the number of available classes not the registration, which is based on the available instructors. More people need to become instructors. The problem is that that takes a lot of work and a large committment of your summer w/ends. Besides not being qualified since I've been riding for 3 years (yes I only took the basic MSF course last summer so I was self taught, man do I still regret that one!!!) I also am not willing to commit my thurs/fri nites & weekends over the summer. What we do need to do is remember to thank those among us who are instructors. so.. THANK YOU to those out there who are willing to give up their time and become MSF instructors! keep the shiny side up! Rob 96VFR gaithersburg Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Oh. My. God. rather than include all I'll summarize: -description of MSF classes filling w/in a week of registration opening -That sucks ass. - request for favor -restatement of valid frustration -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 17:43:58 2000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:38 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE oh my gods >Subject: FW: Oh. My. God. > >You don't have to ride illegally only because you haven't taken a MSF >course. I concur with Chris that it isn't the recommended path, but in the >District all you need to do to get a learner's permit (which permits daytime >solo riding) is to pass a 20 question written (multiple guess) exam. I >think Virginia operates in the same manner. >Bests, >Erik MD offers a learners permit (LP ) program where you taken a computerized 20 question test. You may then ride only in the presence of a licensed rider, be it on another cycle, in car or actually on bike w/ you. There is a skills test for the actual license which can only be taken after a certain period of time on LP, not suer what it is. DC to best of my recollection from a friend who got license a year ago has no LP program VA I believe has LP similar to MD. > > I think this is pretty common. I'm curious... How many of us actually had a > motorcycle endorsement when they bought their first bike? How about when > they first RODE one? Me... I didn't even have my driver's license when I > rode my first motorcycle on the street. I was 14. I didn't get a motorcycle > endorsement until I was over 30. But I didn't own a motorcycle for much of > that time. Was I really risking it? I never got a ticket until after I got > my license endorsed! Ok as long as we're recounting. I'll be the story that you can all clip and use to convince others NOT to be self-taught. short version(sort of): I bought a bike @ coleman (GS500, the only smart thing I did- buying an actual beginner bike. though it was an overpriced lemon - different story). No license or learners permti. had the salesmen show me the controls. rode around falls church for 2 hours. rode home on beltway/270. started commuting. tried for MSF, full, screwit. had low speed runoff into grass in corner, no damage to bike or self. locked rearbrake and had wipe out infront of oncoming RideOn bus due solely to panic in safe situation. got learners permit. let permit expire. NEW season. no permit/license. try for MSF, full, screw it. no wipe-outs! still getting comfortable. NEW season. no permit/license. try for MSF, opening in August, oh well I waited this long, may as well go. 1/2 way through summer bike craps out AGAIN. though in debt buy new bike (96VFR - i LOVE this thing). get sick of whole hassle to switch insurance/registration so just slap old tag on new bike. get pulled over for speeding. quickly imagine free ride in back of converted luxury sedan (remember: unlicensed rider, unregistered/insured vehicle, 20+ miles over speed limit - well that one wasn't my fault. watch out where you turn off 28 onto sterling blvd in VA. sterling blvd is a divided 4 lane like 28 but is posted at 35mph. can you say "revenue generation tactic".) cop decides to just chew me out rather than write me up, never asks for registration etc. (thanks occifer!!) take/pass MSF august 99 Moral of the story: do NOT be self-taugh (or a dumbass, I know you're all thinking it) seriously, while I've taken care of the legalities, i'm still fighting a lot of bad habits picked up in 2.5 years of self-taught riding that keep me from being more comfortable. rob 96vfr From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 18:16:23 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Re: RE oh my gods Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:11:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal DC has a learner's permit, good for 6 months, for which you take a computerized test. LP requirements are no passengers and "supervision." Funny that examiner didn't ask how I got to the testing station with no "supervisor" in sight. The supervision requirement is basically a crock, but I don't know how you navigate through it when pulled over. I guess you just make sure you don't get pulled over. You get the endorsement after taking a riding skills test. (There's no MSF course bypass in DC.) It consists of riding around a loop circuit, obeying a stop sign, and making a left turn from a full stop after putting on your blinker. Other maneuvers include a quick stop from 15 mph and riding a figure eight. Basically don't drop your bike and you pass. The ride to the testing "facility" behind the Brentwood Post Office is a greater test of riding skill than the test itself. Lots of dodging potholes and pesky Metrobuses. I guess they figure if you could make it to the testing station in one piece, you're qualified. Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > From: Rob Bell > > > MD offers a learners permit (LP ) program where you taken a computerized 20 > question test. You may then ride only in the presence of a licensed rider, be > it on another cycle, in car or actually on bike w/ you. There is a skills test > for the actual license which can only be taken after a certain period of time on > LP, not suer what it is. > DC to best of my recollection from a friend who got license a year ago has no LP > program > VA I believe has LP similar to MD. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 06:24:42 2000 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 03:24:07 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Salvage Title To: Altaan Choudhry , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Altaan Choudhry wrote: > Anybody know how hard or easy or if it is at all > possible to register a bike > with a salvage title in Virginia. I'd like to know this, too. I was told by Rick Beggs of FastLane Cycle that it involved an inspection but then it was the same as any other bike. He didn't explain whether this was an ordinary safety inspection or something more detailed, and I didn't ask. I have an alternative since I still have a frame with a regular title. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 07:28:12 2000 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 07:25:33 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Leon Begeman CC: Altaan Choudhry , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Salvage Title In VA the "inspection" involves carting the bike down to Richmond and having recieots for every dinky little part on the bike. If you have a frame, use that for a title/tags. You could go for a abandoned vehicle title. You must contact the state for the last known title holder address, send that person, who most likely is no longer there, a registered letter with a mechanics lien and storage fees. Pay this dude, and claim your bike. After 30 days you take a cpy of the letter to the DMV and get a title. Bill Leon Begeman wrote: > --- Altaan Choudhry wrote: > > Anybody know how hard or easy or if it is at all > > possible to register a bike > > with a salvage title in Virginia. > > I'd like to know this, too. I was told by Rick Beggs > of FastLane Cycle that it involved an inspection but > then it was the same as any other bike. He didn't > explain whether this was an ordinary safety inspection > or something more detailed, and I didn't ask. > > I have an alternative since I still have a frame with > a regular title. > > Leon. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 08:37:03 2000 From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: RE oh my gods Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:33:07 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 And don't forget to make sure it's ok with that sleeping giant, Insurance. My experience: Some companies won't insure a Learner's Permit. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: "Paul A. Wilson" DC has a learner's permit, good for 6 months, for which you take a computerized test. ... snip From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 11:03:00 2000 From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:02:19 EST Subject: **SUZUKI FOR SALE** To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX In case anyone is interested in adding a bike to their collection, this is a peach to add! Scott takes good care of his toys... From: BOOKEMinDC Hey Lee, Glad to hear things went well on your first ride of the season. I am dropping you a line to ask if you could put the word out that I am selling my 97 Suzuki Intruder. It is Blue and Creme white w/ Mustang saddle, Jardine Drag pipes, dyna-jet jet kit, Jardine Passenger floorboards, Mustang studded tank bib, Arlen Ness Drag Specialties Mirrors w/blue sapphire tinted lenses, Ameritex slant Saddlebags, and Ace leather Sissy Bar bag I will include one full face helmet and one half helmet to buyer in the sale and a Dowco motorcycle cover. It has 12k miles on it and has been well cared for. I have pictures of it if anyone would like to see it e-mail me for Pics. I am asking $7000 O.B.O. I am selling it due to the number of hours I am working now and Lisa is in school full time and working full time. Besides I am making room for the Harley when Lisa graduates. I will miss it but it must go. Thanks, Scott From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 11:11:39 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:11:01 EST Subject: Re: RE oh my gods To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/4/00 8:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > And don't forget to make sure it's ok with that sleeping giant, Insurance. > My experience: Some companies won't insure a Learner's Permit. You know... I've never had a problem with this. Even when I didn't *have* an M-class certification, I had no problem getting insurance on a motorcycle... I've simply never been asked to show proof that I have such an endorsement. - B From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 11:28:38 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21075 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-234.patriot.net [209.249.180.234]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA25797; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:28:32 -0500 Message-ID: <38C1391A.813A3DF4@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 11:26:02 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE oh my gods References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have. My M endorsement had expired when I bought the Hawg. I signed up for full coverage and a week later my insurance guy calls up in a panic `cause the DMV report said I didn't have an M endorsement. I go "Oh really? Check again, must be a mistake." I had gotten the M that very day. He checks and calls back to apologize. heh heh Bill BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/4/00 8:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, > mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > > > And don't forget to make sure it's ok with that sleeping giant, Insurance. > > My experience: Some companies won't insure a Learner's Permit. > > You know... I've never had a problem with this. Even when I didn't *have* an > M-class certification, I had no problem getting insurance on a motorcycle... > I've simply never been asked to show proof that I have such an endorsement. > > - B From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 11:37:55 2000 Return-Path: nobr8nr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21227 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-225-25.s279.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.225.25] helo=homepdc) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12RHYC-000395-00; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:37:09 -0500 Reply-To: From: "JC" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Cc: "BJ McKay (Tramp) (E-mail)" , "Bouncingirl (E-mail)" , "Chuck (Lawman) Bardroff (E-mail)" , "Deadeye (E-mail)" , "Glen Vidal (Wolf) (E-mail)" , "Jim Holt (E-mail)" , "Kay Heilesen (E-mail)" , "Marvin Heilesen (Snake) (E-mail)" , "Mike & Laura Freiburger (E-mail)" , "Mike Gardler (Freak) (E-mail)" , "Mike Mitchell (E-mail)" , "Mishka (E-mail)" , "Psycho (E-mail)" , "Ralph & Dianne Libertini (E-mail)" , "Rene (home) (E-mail)" , "Sherri Congleton (Dork) (E-mail)" , "Squid (E-mail)" , "Tom Schultz (Yard Dog) (E-mail)" Subject: For sale too Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:38:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bf85f8$19b0bd20$0a646464@homepdc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well I finally broke down and bought a trailer. This means that my ramps can go to a good home, somewhere out there. They are 2, 12" wide, 7 foot long, heavy duty metal ramps that hinge for storing. They have split dimples the full length for traction and are curved to accomodate bikes with long wheel-bases. I have loaded my Shadow Aero in the rain with no prob. Asking $100 or best. Call Jim (JC) at 301-362-0170 or reply to this email. Hey Lee, Hope to see you guys on Apr 1st! Later. JC From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 16:50:30 2000 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25359 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:50:29 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.b3.15b0914 (3855) for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:49:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:49:54 EST Subject: Re: Any Weekend Rides? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 I don't think my emails from work got to the list. (Hm....?!) At any rate, just a reminder that there is a ride out of the Burger King in Sterling, the same one Collin starts from. The BK is in front of the Regal movie theater in the Countryside par tof Sterling. About a mile east of Rt. 28 and less than a mile west from Cascades parkway. Ride should bail out between 10:00 and 10:30, with breakfast and whatnot before hand. If it's anything like today, tomorrow should be some prime riding weather!!! -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 17:41:50 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (fb00.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25972 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-37.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.165]) by fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04821 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:41:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C19088.13B3B928@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:39:04 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Thanx Collin! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Much thanks to Collin for leading today's ride from BK in Sterling. My first ride with folks from dc-cycles.org. Only 6 of us. But a great bunch and a fun time. I hope to do more riding with everyone. Chuck '93 GSXR 750 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 18:05:31 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26368 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:05:29 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.90.17255b9 (9823) for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:05:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <90.17255b9.25f2f0a9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:05:13 EST Subject: Re: Thanx Collin! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/4/00 5:43:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > Much thanks to Collin for leading today's ride from BK in Sterling. My > first ride with folks from dc-cycles.org. Only 6 of us. But a great > bunch and a fun time. I hope to do more riding with everyone. Sorry I couldn't meet you all today... this stomach thing is still kicking my butt. I'm glad you guys had a good ride! Did Collin miss any turns? - Bri From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 18:32:45 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26689 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-37.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.165]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29857; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:32:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C19C6E.63448867@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 18:29:50 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanx Collin! References: <90.17255b9.25f2f0a9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No. But he told us stories about missing turns! %^) BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Did Collin miss any turns? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 18:48:06 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26879 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA09581 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:48:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:48:01 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Off highway vehicle political action Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Check out information at the AMA's site on off highway vehicles and potential land closures: http://www.ama-cycle.org/legisltn/closures/callinday.html Thanks, Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 4 21:51:26 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA29308 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29943 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2000 02:51:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000305025119.29942.qmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 18:51:18 PST Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:51:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Thanx Collin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No smarty pants I didn't miss any turns ;-) and I didn't even get lost!! Well... I did get lost once, but for the record, I followed the directions Anita told me on a road I had never been on... so we back tracked a couple of miles to get to the turn we were supposed to take...Doesn't count against me though cause I went where I was told!! hehehe It was a bit chilly in the AM, but the sun managed to warm us all up somewhat, and the route turned out to be a really nice one, although that one new road was very similar to racing at Nelson Ledges: kidney buster!! Good lunch at Marios's in Purcelville and great company. I think I may have to find an exhaust pipe for the Bandit though... I could hear Jeff's Ducati over my bike and the wind noise from a considerable distance in front of him!! hehehe Wish I could hit the ride in the AM, but I have to do that long ole drive back to MI.... it had better have warmed a tad up there!! Take care all and see ya again the next break they give me!! hehehe Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 5 01:24:43 2000 Return-Path: gil_biker@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f17.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA02257 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 01:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38139 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2000 06:24:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000305062410.38138.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.227.43.13 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 22:24:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.227.43.13] From: "gil biker" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HD 883XLC Sportster Custom **FOR SALE** Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 22:24:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello folks, I am selling my '99 Harley Davidson 883XLC Sportster Custom. It's black, 3K mi., original owner, hypercharger, detachable sissybar, screamin eagle slips-on pipe, plus extras, gar'd kept, very clean/showrm cond. If any of you or friends are interested, please reply to this email. Thanks. :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 5 02:18:13 2000 Return-Path: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Received: from ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net (ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net [207.172.5.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA03187 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 02:18:11 -0500 (EST) From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Subject: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 02:26:17 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN01.Spg.Va/RCN(Release 5.0.2 |November 4, 1999) at 03/05/2000 02:26:22 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It seems to me that many of our enwizened listers frequently speak ill of our government's attempts to protect us from ourselves. Now we speak of censoring one of our own just because some don't like his turn of phrase. How is this different from our leaders telling us that we have to wear our seat belts so we don't get hurt? You've got two very powerful weapons; a delete button, and a brain. USE THEM. FREQUENTLY! I applaud Garcia, whom I think the original flame was targeted at anyway. If you don't like Ken's language, ideology or whatever, get over it! If you pay attention you can see the flames coming, skip over stuff. You don't have to read everything. Besides the winter gets boring, as does the talk of what kind of oil is best or how much air is optimal in your tires. Pay attention to your bikes people. It will tell you what works best for you. I'll get off my soap box now. Just remember in a free forum not all opinions are good ones. Flame away. "They can't hit you, if they can't catch you" James E-TKT PS. Good luck Ryan. Hope everything is as good as it can be for you and your family. Get well soon. From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 5 07:02:30 2000 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07051 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:02:29 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 5.90.174f738 (4543); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:01:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <90.174f738.25f3a6ae@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:01:50 EST Subject: Ken Woods and the list To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 I sent this once before but I'm not sure I got the address to the list and inlight of the continuing debate, I thought it might be appropriate to resend it as a thought piece on the debate. Here it is Harry, Bill Gawthrop of Maryland here. I understand that you are running this list so please bear with me. A little background. Over the last three or four years I have watched four or five motorcycle lists evolve, mature and die and in each case, the death knell was an atmosphere generated by traffic like Ken's. This is the first time, however, the person involved said, "Take me off the list." This is his request and whether you honor it or not is up to you. If you do not, however, you can expect others to be driven off the list, and the list polarized and become off topic. That's the pattern of how lists die. ------------------ Now, that's what I said in the first email. Take a look at how this list has become off topic and is becoming polarized. At this rate, the list will start seeing people unsubscribe and eventually wither. Ken's comments are among other things - cancerous. The freedom of speach issue really does not apply to this list any more than a used car salesman hawking his cars in the middle of church. Ken can start his own list and preserve his freedom to offend there. This list, on the other hand is the creation of one individual who may exercise his discretion over his creation. Ken has asked to be removed. Remember that one, key, element. The question now becomes, will this list get back on topic or will it become number five or six to follow the identifiable, predictable path to self extinction? Bill Gawthrop Maryland Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 5 07:41:39 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07477 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:41:38 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.5f.22fd0ee (3978) for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:41:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5f.22fd0ee.25f3afe0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:41:04 EST Subject: Playing Hall Monitor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/5/00 7:06:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, Gawthrop@XXXXXX writes: > Take a look at how this list has become off topic and is becoming polarized. > At this rate, the list will start seeing people unsubscribe and eventually > wither. That's funny, I thought we'd been discussing M-class certification & Insurance, Ryan, Colin's latest ride, Suzukis for sale, and other various things (at least until you *reposted* this message). I guess I was hallucinating. There will always be someone with whom you don't agree, or don't like on any given mailing list. Use filters, use the delete key. I'm tired of hearing people whine about something *they* have control over. Everyone here possesses the amazing ability to effectively remove whomever they want. Ain't technology wonderful? 'Nuff Said - in fact, I'm going to use the Almighty Delete Key on anything further regarding this subject :) -Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 5 09:48:00 2000 Return-Path: jmherman@XXXXXX Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h015.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09376 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 4936 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2000 06:47:24 -0800 Received: from 1Cust196.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.20.240.196) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2000 06:47:24 -0800 X-Sent: 5 Mar 2000 14:47:24 GMT Message-ID: <002501bf86b1$b8e4d0c0$c4f0143f@oemcomputer> From: "John Herman" To: References: <90.174f738.25f3a6ae@aol.com> Subject: A newbies perspective on the DC-Cycles email list... Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:47:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I joined this list for some good old fashion bike talk. I spend my time at work without anyone who shares the passion of riding. I am a newbie and I need to have a support network. This is the closest thing I have to one. I have been quiet, not said too much, but like the attached email states, the list has grown off the topic that I understood it to be and I was seriously thinking about leaving the list. I hope we can get back to motorcyle chat and I can learn from all of you. Thanks for listening to my point of view. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 7:01 AM Subject: Ken Woods and the list > I sent this once before but I'm not sure I got the address to the list and > inlight of the continuing debate, I thought it might be appropriate to resend > it as a thought piece on the debate. Here it is > > > > Harry, Bill Gawthrop of Maryland here. > > I understand that you are running this list so please bear with me. > > A little background. > > Over the last three or four years I have watched four or five motorcycle > lists evolve, mature and die and in each case, the death knell was an > atmosphere generated by traffic like Ken's. This is the first time, however, > the person involved said, "Take me off the list." > > This is his request and whether you honor it or not is up to you. If you > do not, however, you can expect others to be driven off the list, and the > list polarized and become off topic. That's the pattern of how lists die. > > ------------------ > Now, that's what I said in the first email. > Take a look at how this list has become off topic and is becoming polarized. > At this rate, the list will start seeing people unsubscribe and eventually > wither. Ken's comments are among other things - cancerous. The freedom of > speach issue really does not apply to this list any more than a used car > salesman hawking his cars in the middle of church. Ken can start his own > list and preserve his freedom to offend there. This list, on the other hand > is the creation of one individual who may exercise his discretion over his > creation. > > Ken has asked to be removed. > > Remember that one, key, element. > The question now becomes, will this list get back on topic or will it become > number five or six to follow the identifiable, predictable path to self > extinction? > > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland > > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland > From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 5 11:06:48 2000 Return-Path: stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10699 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from stpeter (pool181-27.patriot.net [209.249.181.27]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA11775; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:06:38 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:09:04 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF8693.38124860.stpeter@patriot.net> From: "St. Peter" Reply-To: "stpeter@XXXXXX" To: "'Gawthrop@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re:Ken Woods and the list Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 10:15:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 36 TEXT Bill Wrote: Over the last three or four years I have watched four or five motorcycle lists evolve, mature and die and in each case, the death knell was an atmosphere generated by traffic like Ken's. Bill, I have to disagree with you entirely. Many lists die because some adolescent idiots get in and go completely off topic and just give everyone on the list a general hard time. IMO Ken was attempting to contribute what turned out to be a reasonable thread. Someone got "holier than thou" in their response and Ken sent a well deserved (although overblown) response. Much different than the list destroying idiots with no real contributions. It is evident by the vast majority of the responses that the lack of availability of MSF classes is causing people to ride without training. I had the same problem when I took the class in 1991 (4 months AFTER getting my M license because of full classes). If I knew an MSF instructor/administrator at the time I would also have been asking the same question as Ken. I respect the commitment that MSF instructors give to the sport. I don't (and I don't think Ken does) blame the instructors at all for the problems - quite the contrary. However, the response that Ken objected to deserved an FU in my opinion as a lowly MSF student. The great thing about this list is the diversity of the list members. Most of us wouldn't associate with 3/4 of the list if it weren't for our love of motorcycling. There are riders on the list who are MSF instructors, long distance riders, daily commuters, racers, and occasional weekend riders. It makes for a great source of information for a less informed rider. People here have done it all. If all these riders get a holier-than-thou attitude, that would be worse for the list than the occasional F-word. I say think before you belittle, otherwise FU. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 5 12:03:45 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11376 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA15428 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:03:40 -0500 Message-ID: <38C292D2.A34D6DA0@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:01:06 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: motorcycling & the F word... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seriously, folks, considering that our beloved steeds often attempt to bite thier masters (us), I'm sure that almost everyone here has blurted out the F word. Not to mention the number of times we have suffered from the well know phenomina - brain fart - and spewed the F word while picking ourselves and our steeds off the ground after a *mishap*. Now, according to the American Dictionary of Slang, the F word has become an integral part of our spoken English. Since the F word is so often used as a modifier, verb, noun, it is no longer considered grossly vulgar but merely *rude* in polite company. Polite company meaning those folks who use "darnit" instead of the well known "dammit" and "jeepers" instead of "jesus h christ on a Harley!" Not being one of those types, but a potty-mouthed old fart, I was not offended by the F word. I will say that a few listers might consider anger management classes for their personal safety while riding thier scoots. Venting verbally is cool, but venting while aboard a motorcycle is bad bizz. Scream therupy before mounting up helps. I yell at my cat for having the audacity to track her muddy paws all over my Corbin seat! Then I take a deep breath, park my skinny tush on the muddy seat, smile, and ride.... Be safe out there .... Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 5 16:17:32 2000 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14696 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:17:27 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "Bill Huson" , Subject: [Off Topic] RE: motorcycling & the F word... Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:17:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bf86e8$2722f400$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <38C292D2.A34D6DA0@patriot.net> Well, it may not be vulgar to you, but I think it still is to most people over the age of 17. I can assure you it is NOT an integral part of spoken English in any environment where I spend much time. I work in an office environment, and if I were to make the F word an integral part of my speech I can pretty well guarantee I'll be looking for work. Do you routinely use it when talking to a waiter/waitress? How 'bout when asking for help in a store? Maybe when you buy gas, you tell the cashier "F***ing thank you, buddy!" No, I thought not. Regardless of what your dictionary says, it's not part of normal speech among people with more than an 8th grade education. And just in case you're wondering, no. I'm not some religious freak who thinks speaking the F word means you'll go to hell, Playboy is the Devil's spawn, and the internet is the road to hell. In fact, I haven't been in church, other than weddings and funerals, in years. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 12:01 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: motorcycling & the F word... > > > Seriously, folks, considering that our beloved steeds often attempt to > bite thier masters (us), I'm sure that almost everyone here has blurted > out the F word. Not to mention the number of times we have suffered > from the well know phenomina - brain fart - and spewed the F word while > picking ourselves and our steeds off the ground after a *mishap*. > > Now, according to the American Dictionary of Slang, the F word has > become an integral part of our spoken English. Since the F word is so > often used as a modifier, verb, noun, it is no longer considered > grossly vulgar but merely *rude* in polite company. Polite company > meaning those folks who use "darnit" instead of the well known "dammit" > and "jeepers" instead of "jesus h christ on a Harley!" > > Not being one of those types, but a potty-mouthed old fart, I was not > offended by the F word. I will say that a few listers might consider > anger management classes for their personal safety while riding thier > scoots. Venting verbally is cool, but venting while aboard a motorcycle > is bad bizz. Scream therupy before mounting up helps. I yell at my cat > for having the audacity to track her muddy paws all over my Corbin > seat! Then I take a deep breath, park my skinny tush on the muddy seat, > smile, and ride.... > > Be safe out there .... > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 5 16:31:03 2000 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14905 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:31:02 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.de.206ba8d (2717) for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:30:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:30:11 EST Subject: Re: A newbies perspective on the DC-Cycles email list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) <> John, We are a basic cross section of humanity and have various interests. I agree that the focus of this list should be motorcycles - no dispute. Unlike a lot of lists, the subscribers to this one are in a relatively small part of the country and get together periodically to ride and/or schmooze. When we write to the list, we are writing to people that we know. Discussions do tend to get a bit off topic, but usually never stray too far from it. If one expects all postings to the list to be strictly motorcycle related, I feel that this is probably unrealistic - this is a forum that we use to communicate with each other, usually, about motorcycles. Sometimes we stray from the straight and narrow, and for the most part are better for it. Short ride report - seven of us departed the BK in Sterling for points west - backroaded to Sharpsburg and back - broke up in Purcellville and went our separate ways. The road from Shepherdstown to 340 along the Potomac is pretty broken up - be careful. Michael J. '93 GSX 1100G (saw two more today!!!!!) From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 5 16:53:54 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15201 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-209.patriot.net [209.249.180.209]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04819; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:53:48 -0500 Message-ID: <38C2D6D4.D3BCAAF5@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:51:16 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmeyer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Off Topic] RE: motorcycling & the F word... References: <000301bf86e8$2722f400$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Certainally not. The situations you speak of - an office environment - a retail environment - is polite company, or to be precise, an environment that has standards of communication. But casual conversation among friends, especially when wrenching on balky machines might involve a bit of verbal persuasion. My tongue in cheek post was in referance to the KW flame war, an attempt to lighten a few folks up. Guess it didn't work on you since you resort to making insults RE the age/education level of *anyone* who may have spouted the F word when say a wrench slipped and caused extreme knuckle damage. My deepest apologies Bill old as dirt - grad HS at 16, got tossed outta college at 17, went back, got tossed at 18, went back again and have a f-----g degree :-) RMeyer wrote: > Well, it may not be vulgar to you, but I think it still is to most people > over the age of 17. I can assure you it is NOT an integral part of spoken > English in any environment where I spend much time. I work in an office > environment, and if I were to make the F word an integral part of my speech > I can pretty well guarantee I'll be looking for work. > > Do you routinely use it when talking to a waiter/waitress? How 'bout when > asking for help in a store? Maybe when you buy gas, you tell the cashier > "F***ing thank you, buddy!" > > No, I thought not. Regardless of what your dictionary says, it's not part of > normal speech among people with more than an 8th grade education. > > And just in case you're wondering, no. I'm not some religious freak who > thinks speaking the F word means you'll go to hell, Playboy is the Devil's > spawn, and the internet is the road to hell. In fact, I haven't been in > church, other than weddings and funerals, in years. > > In the wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 02:15:36 2000 Return-Path: toddbpeer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA22679 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-128-48.s48.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.128.48] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Rrj9-0006SE-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:14:51 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/05/00 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:14:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf873b$949e8460$3080a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003060000.TAA16834@meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 WowowowoWOW! I left this crusty crud of discussion and dropped back..flank position(or was that flunk)...into the digestive tract of the dc-cycles. Alota crud here fer sher. Fuck Ken Woods and fuck all these sophomoric opinions about his attitude....that is to say, if you agree I should stay and if you don't..f-you anyway. hahahahaha. Hey this is fun fuckyfyckyfucky. Stoopid heh? I COULD go on. GET IT!! I just finished reading the latest dc-cycles digest and I am having a little trouble with all the the FUCKING WHINING. JESUS! Who really gives a rats ass about Ken Woods, except maype Ma Ken and his buddies? I think Mike Jordan expressed a very pertinent point in that this list actually results in a ride now and then. Come out. Meet us. Elucidate. Tell us everything that pisses you off about the world. And I still don't care. Todd (a-hole extraordinaire) ST1100 CB750 XT350 > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:41:04 EST > Subject: Playing Hall Monitor > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 3/5/00 7:06:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Gawthrop@XXXXXX > writes: > > > Take a look at how this list has become off topic and is > becoming polarized. > > At this rate, the list will start seeing people unsubscribe > and eventually > > wither. > > That's funny, I thought we'd been discussing M-class certification & > Insurance, Ryan, Colin's latest ride, Suzukis for sale, and other various > things (at least until you *reposted* this message). I guess I was > hallucinating. > Ain't technology wonderful? > > 'Nuff Said - in fact, I'm going to use the Almighty Delete Key on anything > further regarding this subject :) > > -Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 07:25:54 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27170 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:25:53 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31260 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:09:26 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id HAA26430 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:25:49 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525689A.00444767 ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:25:47 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525689A.004446D1.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:25:43 -0500 Subject: Re: newbies perspective... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Instead of complaining about someone else's post being off topic, thereby adding to the off topic thread, how about telling us about your favorite road, or what you ride, or...? I had a damn good time yesterday out riding with the Purcellville crew. We waved at a group of bike folk in Shepardstown. Was that you, Mr. Jordan? I put another 300 miles on the Bonnie :). The more I think about, the more it makes sense to *ride* to Mid Ohio Vintage Days this year. I have no qualms about a 300 mile day, so what's another 100? :) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 07:58:59 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28022 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-88.patriot.net [209.249.180.88]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10514; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:58:54 -0500 Message-ID: <38C3AAF3.B981A103@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:56:19 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rcrishoc@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbies perspective... References: <8525689A.004446D1.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, a 400 mile day is cool. 600 mile days are kind of wearing, and a couple 600 mile days in a row are brutal. Hardly any time to smell the roses or flirt with the ladies. Not to mention that you begin to walk funny. When is Mid Ohio? I may be headed out to Michigan this summer and I think Ohio is in the way. Oh Hell It's Ohio - 40 thousand square miles of plowed flat cow poopy :-) Bill rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > Instead of complaining about someone else's post being off topic, thereby > adding to the off topic thread, how about telling us about your favorite > road, or what you ride, or...? > > I had a damn good time yesterday out riding with the Purcellville crew. We > waved at a group of bike folk in Shepardstown. Was that you, Mr. Jordan? > > I put another 300 miles on the Bonnie :). The more I think about, the more > it makes sense to *ride* to Mid Ohio Vintage Days this year. I have no > qualms about a 300 mile day, so what's another 100? :) > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > Sterling From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 08:36:26 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28864 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:36:25 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23046; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:18:47 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id IAA35344; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:36:23 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525689A.004ABC91 ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:36:19 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: Bill Huson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525689A.004ABB4F.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:36:13 -0500 Subject: Re: newbies perspective... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Bill wrote... >When is Mid Ohio? I may be headed out to Michigan this summer >and I think Ohio is in the way. July 7-9, 2000 - AMA Vintage Motorcycle Days, Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, OH http://www.ama-cycle.org/ or http://www.midohio.com Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 09:29:43 2000 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29653 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:29:42 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.ca.27583b8 (6109) for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:29:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:29:08 EST Subject: RE:thanx Collin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hey!!! It wasn't THAT considerable a distance in front of me:-) Anyway I have never been on ANY of those roads before and I had bald tires. Thanks to everyone, I had a great time. I look forward to the next one. Just wait Collin, someday I'll have a 996 SPS, then I'll show you and your 400 whose the boss!! Jeff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 09:31:37 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29726 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:31:36 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 06:17:25 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:14:53 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.130 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 06:17:24 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tank drilling Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1980 17:16:35 GMT Message-ID: <13254898.46143373@eriss.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable alright in the upcoming future (read: when I stop being lazy and up and feel motivated to do it) I plan to take my old gas tank, close up the old (leaking) vent line, drill the top of the tank and create a new vent line. two questions: what should i use to close up the old vent line? And for the new line on top of the tank, should I just make the hole the size of a tube to get pushed into but be tight, or is there some kind of grommet I can get, or is there some other type of idea to make the tubing and tank be more of a smooth operation? Thanks Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 09:32:43 2000 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29736 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:32:42 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.c4.1b8fdb8 (6097) for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:32:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:32:02 EST Subject: Re: newbies perspective... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) <> It certainly was, Mr. Crishoc. I thought that was you - I couldn't begin to postulate another group with three Guzzis and a Meridan Triumph bringing up the rear. Saw another Guzzi later in the day - that made for an all time high Goose count. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 09:33:11 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29746 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:33:09 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 06:35:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:32:42 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.130 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 06:35:13 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: adding a low fuel level light ? Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1980 17:34:23 GMT Message-ID: <13264da9.47440623@eriss.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, I just got an idea.. since i already have my tank off.. and will already be doing work to it.. is it conceivable that i can add a low fuel indicator light or gas guage? the light is good enough, but a guage is even better.. Surely one of you old trickers has done this or has heard about it being done and knows how. At first I was thinking.. "hey i can use the vent tube in the bottom" then i was like..wait i'm already drilling a hole in the top anyway! hehe This should be good...and fun.. maybe one day my bikes will be like leons heheh Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 09:46:37 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00142 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:46:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:46:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > Okay, in an effort to get the list talkinga about something other than > Ken, I'll tell everyone about how I almost highsided yesterday. > > Scene: Route 211 near Skyline Drive, on the way uphill from the western > side of the mountain*. I'm getting annoyed that there is a car blocking my > path, so when he merges right, I open it up. I'm coming around a tight > curve, hanging off a little to feed the fantasy that I'm a cool racin' > dude. Corner starts to open up, so I wind on a bit more power.... WHOA! > The rear tire breaks loose and hooks up again twelve inches later, then > the bike sits up and starts tankslapping before I can even think. One or > maybe two seconds later it calms down and resumes normal operating > procedures. This happened *right* in front of the van I passed. I'm > wondering what he was thinking when he saw that. > > Tires were well-warmed, I just wound on the power with too much gusto a > bit too early. One more (slower) run over 211, and I went home and gave my > guardian angel the day off. He deserved it. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > *not really a mountain, but for the sake of argument, I'll call it one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX [SMTP:rcrishoc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 7:26 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: newbies perspective... > > > > Instead of complaining about someone else's post being off topic, thereby > adding to the off topic thread, how about telling us about your favorite > road, or what you ride, or...? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 09:56:40 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00275 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:56:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:55:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200003060955.AA276169272@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , @mail.tidalwave.net, "DC Cycles" Subject: Wider is better??? X-Mailer: CogLuddites & DC Cyclists, I noticed something interesting this past weekend. The stock 150/80R16 K700 rear on the Connie is WIDER than the worn down K491 or the new K177 (both 160/80R16). It's not even close. That stocker is way fat compared to the bias tires. Now I thought the 150/160 number referred to the width of the tire in mm. How can this be? Are radial tires different somehow? Horkster, confused tire changer -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 09:56:51 2000 Return-Path: jzell@XXXXXX Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00285 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08735; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:56:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000306100127.009fcea0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:03:26 +0000 To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" YIKES! That must've been scary. Tom & I took a short ride yesterday over my parents' house, lots of bikes out, as well as too many BDCs. I rode in today, as well, looks like it's going to be an amazing week! My company just got acquired and we're going to a new schedule in May - I'll be getting every other Friday off! Looks like I may be ready to do some weekday riding this summer! woo hooooo! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:46 AM 3/6/00 -0500, Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: >> Okay, in an effort to get the list talkinga about something other than >> Ken, I'll tell everyone about how I almost highsided yesterday. >> >> Scene: Route 211 near Skyline Drive, on the way uphill from the western >> side of the mountain*. I'm getting annoyed that there is a car blocking my >> path, so when he merges right, I open it up. I'm coming around a tight >> curve, hanging off a little to feed the fantasy that I'm a cool racin' >> dude. Corner starts to open up, so I wind on a bit more power.... WHOA! >> The rear tire breaks loose and hooks up again twelve inches later, then >> the bike sits up and starts tankslapping before I can even think. One or >> maybe two seconds later it calms down and resumes normal operating >> procedures. This happened *right* in front of the van I passed. I'm >> wondering what he was thinking when he saw that. >> >> Tires were well-warmed, I just wound on the power with too much gusto a >> bit too early. One more (slower) run over 211, and I went home and gave my >> guardian angel the day off. He deserved it. >> >> Chris Weaver >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> *not really a mountain, but for the sake of argument, I'll call it one. >> >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 10:05:04 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00487 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:05:03 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:06:42 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:04:10 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.130 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:06:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: Mark Cc: "Marcy" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: potholes! Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1980 18:05:50 GMT Message-ID: <132755e8.49552348@eriss.com> References: <200003031906.OAA20668@chipotle.merctech.com> In-Reply-To: <200003031906.OAA20668@chipotle.merctech.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how much did it cost to fix your rim and how long did it take? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 10:12:46 2000 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from chipotle.merctech.com ([63.67.81.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00556 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chipotle.merctech.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA15465; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:12:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200003061512.KAA15465@chipotle.merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: daniel_ex250 cc: Marcy , dc-cycles Subject: Re: potholes! In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 1980 18:05:50 GMT." <132755e8.49552348@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:12:01 -0500 From: Mark In your message dated: Thu, 06 Mar 1980 18:05:50 GMT, your pithy ruminations on were: => how much did it cost to fix your rim and how long did it take? I don't remember exactly. I've had 3 rims repaired total (1 BMW front, 2 different GTS fronts). I think that the repair cost was about $35~$50, and the repair usually takes about 2 days (plus about 4~8 days shipping each direction). Good luck, Mark => => -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 10:17:50 2000 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00626 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09392 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (vna-va17-10.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.202]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20273 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:17:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C3CCAA.F1E1B341@pti.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:20:10 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc cycles Subject: Ride today? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am playing hooky and have until 2:00 before I have to meet with the wife and kids, anyone up for a ride? Nelson From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 10:20:58 2000 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00721 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13785; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (vna-va17-10.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.202]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03609; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:20:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C3CD56.724BC522@pti.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:23:02 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MOTO748@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: thanx Collin References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I wish I could have been there to join you all but the wife had me moving one of her friends. 8( Nelson MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey!!! It wasn't THAT considerable a distance in front > of me:-) Anyway I have never been on ANY of those roads > before and I had bald tires. > > Thanks to everyone, I had a great time. I look > forward to the next one. > > Just wait Collin, someday I'll have a 996 SPS, then > I'll show you and your 400 whose the boss!! > > Jeff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 10:36:44 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01022 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-88.patriot.net [209.249.180.88]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA30113; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:36:33 -0500 Message-ID: <38C3CFE7.399D00A5@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:33:59 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: cog@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Wider is better??? References: <200003060955.AA276169272@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm... me too. The first number, be it 150 or 160, should refer to the width, and the second number the hieght in ratio form I believe. As for car tires, I have noticed that bargain brands have a narrower tread than the numerically equivalent better tire. Maybe you should stick with the stock K700. Bill always replaces with stock to avoid brain strain :-) Horkster wrote: > CogLuddites & DC Cyclists, > > I noticed something interesting this past weekend. The stock > 150/80R16 K700 rear on the Connie is WIDER than the worn down > K491 or the new K177 (both 160/80R16). It's not even close. > That stocker is way fat compared to the bias tires. > > Now I thought the 150/160 number referred to the width of the > tire in mm. How can this be? Are radial tires different somehow? > > Horkster, confused tire changer > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 10:38:39 2000 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01040 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06184; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:37:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:37:58 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tank drilling In-Reply-To: <13254898.46143373@eriss.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I suggest duct tape. In all seriousness though, before drilling a gas tank you should fill it with something inert (like maybe water) to ENSURE that there are NOW gas vapors present. Otherwise, you could be in for a big surprise. Water may not be the best thing, but If it's only in there while drilling and flush it out afterward, I don't think it'll be a big problem. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 6 Mar 1980 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > alright in the upcoming future (read: when I stop being lazy and up > and feel motivated to do it) I plan to take my old gas tank, close up > the old (leaking) vent line, drill the top of the tank and create a > new vent line. > > two questions: > > what should i use to close up the old vent line? > > And for the new line on top of the tank, should I just make the hole > the size of a tube to get pushed into but be tight, or is there some > kind of grommet I can get, or is there some other type of idea to make > the tubing and tank be more of a smooth operation? > > > Thanks > > Daniel > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 10:42:38 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01120 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:42:37 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:44:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:42:05 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.130 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:44:35 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FRS radios questions Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1980 18:43:46 GMT Message-ID: <1328569e.49733558@eriss.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know if the motorola talkabout and HJC chatterbox can talk? They both are FRS radios.. I think i saw the motorala had "security codes" but the chatterbox has less channels I think? how many does it have? but the chatterbox also has driver passenger intercom in the same unit. also do you have to mount the chatterbox on the helmet or is that the most convienient place for it? (less wires?)=20 also i saw one of the versions of chatterbox had a cell phone hookup port? I wonder if my nokia 5100 has something compatible. Hmm I think i can make something so my phone can work with the chatterbox. that'd be awesome. anyone have a list of frequencies for chatterbox? I have a couple of scanners, a home and a handheld. I was thinking i could take the hand held with me and atleast be able to listen in to the FRS bikers chatting when i'm riding.=20 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 11:03:19 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web508.mail.yahoo.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01451 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10504 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2000 16:06:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306160625.10503.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.179] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:06:25 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Pluggin' tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Found a nice, long nail in my new D207 rear. Anybody have any positive experiences plugging a high-performance radial? Most cycle shops say NEVER plug 'em. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 11:05:54 2000 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01530 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 18:55:26 UT Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:02 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Jeannette Zell" , "CWeaver@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) Message-ID: <20000306110515149-281ba5d9@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii J, You suck! ;-) Mr. Zell ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) Author: jzell@XXXXXX (Jeannette Zell) Date: 03/06/2000 5:03 AM YIKES! That must've been scary. Tom & I took a short ride yesterday over my parents' house, lots of bikes out, as well as too many BDCs. I rode in today, as well, looks like it's going to be an amazing week! My company just got acquired and we're going to a new schedule in May - I'll be getting every other Friday off! Looks like I may be ready to do some weekday riding this summer! woo hooooo! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:46 AM 3/6/00 -0500, Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: >> Okay, in an effort to get the list talkinga about something other than >> Ken, I'll tell everyone about how I almost highsided yesterday. >> >> Scene: Route 211 near Skyline Drive, on the way uphill from the western >> side of the mountain*. I'm getting annoyed that there is a car blocking my >> path, so when he merges right, I open it up. I'm coming around a tight >> curve, hanging off a little to feed the fantasy that I'm a cool racin' >> dude. Corner starts to open up, so I wind on a bit more power.... WHOA! >> The rear tire breaks loose and hooks up again twelve inches later, then >> the bike sits up and starts tankslapping before I can even think. One or >> maybe two seconds later it calms down and resumes normal operating >> procedures. This happened *right* in front of the van I passed. I'm >> wondering what he was thinking when he saw that. >> >> Tires were well-warmed, I just wound on the power with too much gusto a >> bit too early. One more (slower) run over 211, and I went home and gave my >> guardian angel the day off. He deserved it. >> >> Chris Weaver >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> *not really a mountain, but for the sake of argument, I'll call it one. >> >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 11:14:15 2000 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.nai.com (relay2.nai.com [161.69.3.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01648 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by relay2.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20757 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Mon Mar 06 08:20:02 2000 -0800 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:14:54 -0800 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2AFA@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Tom Zell'" , Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:10:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tom, You say that like it's a bad thing!?!? ;^) Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:02 AM To: Jeannette Zell; CWeaver@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) J, You suck! ;-) Mr. Zell ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) Author: jzell@XXXXXX (Jeannette Zell) Date: 03/06/2000 5:03 AM From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 11:17:27 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01756 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27705 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:17:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:17:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: > Corner starts to open up, so I wind on a bit more power.... WHOA! > The rear tire breaks loose and hooks up again twelve inches later, then > the bike sits up and starts tankslapping before I can even think. One or > maybe two seconds later it calms down and resumes normal operating > procedures. > Tires were well-warmed, I just wound on the power with too much gusto a > bit too early. That's one way to look at it. I wonder if you could've cleaned up the tank slapper faster if you'd given it another handful of throttle... If the front wheel's not on the ground at all it's not going to be causing you trouble. I also wonder if you tankslapped because of chopping the throttle and dumping a bunch of weight on the front end all of a sudden. Learning to not freak out when you start to slide is a useful way to avoid crashing when you make mistakes like this. I had a pretty good ride yesterday. I would estimate that I slid the rear end (either under braking or acceleration) well over 100 times during the 2 hours or so I was out. The only time I regretted it was when the rear end spun around a bit when getting over the third log in a series and I ended up pointed right at a tree. I'm sure I can straighten that bracket out... :) Get a dirt bike, Chris, and learn to enjoy those rear end slides! Here's what you do: approach a corner; simultaneously apply the rear brake until you've got the rear end sliding and turn the bars in the appropriate direction; about half way through the corner whack the throttle wide open - this'll start to straighten the bike out. Of course, you'll need to practice to get the details of the whole process worked out. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 11:31:46 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01996 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:31:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:31:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Interesting points. I don't think it was an issue of chopping the throttle or not giving it enough. This whole episode happened so fast I barely had time to realize what was happening. The rear end slid and caught so quickly, I don't think I had time to chop the throttle when it happened, even subconsciously. If I had, I agree - the best course would have been to give it a bit more throttle. I don't think I could have put the front in the air at that speed with just the throttle even on the Superduperhawk - I think I was in second gear at about 50mph. As it was, I should have lessened my lean angle a bit more before I laid in the power - 2nd gear/50mph/current gearing=5,000 rpm. 5k is where the power starts rolling on pretty hard and I just gave it more than it could handle at the time. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:17 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) > > On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: > > Corner starts to open up, so I wind on a bit more power.... WHOA! > > The rear tire breaks loose and hooks up again twelve inches later, then > > the bike sits up and starts tankslapping before I can even think. One or > > maybe two seconds later it calms down and resumes normal operating > > procedures. > > Tires were well-warmed, I just wound on the power with too much gusto a > > bit too early. > > That's one way to look at it. I wonder if you could've cleaned up the tank > slapper faster if you'd given it another handful of throttle... If the > front wheel's not on the ground at all it's not going to be causing you > trouble. I also wonder if you tankslapped because of chopping the throttle > and dumping a bunch of weight on the front end all of a sudden. Learning > to not freak out when you start to slide is a useful way to avoid crashing > when you make mistakes like this. > > I had a pretty good ride yesterday. I would estimate that I slid the rear > end (either under braking or acceleration) well over 100 times during the > 2 hours or so I was out. The only time I regretted it was when the rear > end spun around a bit when getting over the third log in a series and I > ended up pointed right at a tree. I'm sure I can straighten that bracket > out... :) > > Get a dirt bike, Chris, and learn to enjoy those rear end slides! Here's > what you do: approach a corner; simultaneously apply the rear brake > until you've got the rear end sliding and turn the bars in the appropriate > direction; about half way through the corner whack the throttle wide open > - this'll start to straighten the bike out. Of course, you'll need to > practice to get the details of the whole process worked out. > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 11:39:15 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02065 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Moto Leather Alteration Shop Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:38:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I noticed a motorcycle leather repair/alteration shop that I hadn't seen before in Falls Church yesterday. It's about 1/2 mile west from the Lee Hwy/Rt. 7 intersection near the Burger King, IIRC. Has anyone used this shop, and if so, what did you think of it? Chris Weaver '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 11:53:53 2000 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02295 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 19:43:25 UT Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:51 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Tom Gimer" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Pluggin' tires Message-ID: <20000306115314930-284796fe@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's what I did... I took my wheel and tire down to my friends gas station and popped the tire off the rim using his tire machine (the modern, center grabbing machine... use heavy rags to protect the inside of the rim). I then used a radial patch on the inside of the tire to seal the whole. This is not a plug. You will need to grind down the inside of the tire around the whole and then use contact/runner cement to bond the patch to the tire. The patch is directional and should be aligned with the belt construction of the tire. Balance the tire if it matters to you... the patch that I used was so small though that I didn't even bother with it. This method saved my D207 right before going on a 600 mile round trip excursion. It is still on the VFR (needs replacing now... it's worn out... been on there two years now) and was doing just fine yesterday. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Pluggin' tires Author: t_gimer@XXXXXX (Tom Gimer) Date: 03/06/2000 11:06 AM Found a nice, long nail in my new D207 rear. Anybody have any positive experiences plugging a high-performance radial? Most cycle shops say NEVER plug 'em. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 11:53:53 2000 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02296 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 19:43:25 UT Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:52 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Coleman; Perry" , "jzell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Re[2]: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspectiv Message-ID: <20000306115314960-2847971c@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well... in this case... ;-) Tom ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Re[2]: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective.. Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/06/2000 11:10 AM Tom, You say that like it's a bad thing!?!? ;^) Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:02 AM To: Jeannette Zell; CWeaver@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) J, You suck! ;-) Mr. Zell ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: FW: Fun Day at 211 (was RE: newbies perspective...) Author: jzell@XXXXXX (Jeannette Zell) Date: 03/06/2000 5:03 AM From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 12:05:05 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02509 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12S0vY-0002Lk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:04:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:04:20 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbies perspective... In-Reply-To: <38C3AAF3.B981A103@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > When is Mid Ohio? I may be headed out to Michigan this summer and I think Ohio > is in the way. Oh Hell It's Ohio - 40 thousand square miles of plowed flat cow > poopy :-) > > Bill The Honda Super Cyle Weekend is July 14-16. The roads between D.C. and Mid-Ohio kick some serious effing ass! The VFR list is also setting up a "Center of the Universe"(COTU) ride for late April in southeast Ohio which could forever change your opinion of Ohio. Well, at least the part that's close to West "By God" Virginia. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 12:15:34 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02676 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28365; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-20.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.148]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00688; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:15:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C412A6.E9011CF1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:18:46 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Moto Leather Alteration Shop References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, I assume you're talking about Bedo's Leatherworks, 412 W. Broad Street (703) 534-3233. I've been in there when other customers (mostly Harley/cruiser riders) have picked up their stuff and they have all been very pleased. I am about to have them shorten the sleeves on the jacket of my suit (AGV Rage 2-piece). I'll let you know next week how they did! Chuck '93 GSXR 750 "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > > I noticed a motorcycle leather repair/alteration shop that I hadn't seen > before in Falls Church yesterday. It's about 1/2 mile west from the Lee > Hwy/Rt. 7 intersection near the Burger King, IIRC. Has anyone used this > shop, and if so, what did you think of it? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 12:18:28 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02716 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:18:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Chuck Pena'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Moto Leather Alteration Shop Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:18:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, that's the one. Drop a line to the list when you get your jacket back and let us know how they did. I'm specifically interested in having a full-length waist zip put into my 2-piece suit. It has a 10-inch zip in the back, but I'd feel better with a full zip. Chris '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 3:19 PM > To: Weaver, Chris_(MD) > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Moto Leather Alteration Shop > > Chris, > > I assume you're talking about Bedo's Leatherworks, 412 W. Broad Street > (703) 534-3233. I've been in there when other customers (mostly > Harley/cruiser riders) have picked up their stuff and they have all been > very pleased. I am about to have them shorten the sleeves on the jacket > of my suit (AGV Rage 2-piece). I'll let you know next week how they > did! > > Chuck > '93 GSXR 750 > > "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > > > > I noticed a motorcycle leather repair/alteration shop that I hadn't seen > > before in Falls Church yesterday. It's about 1/2 mile west from the Lee > > Hwy/Rt. 7 intersection near the Burger King, IIRC. Has anyone used this > > shop, and if so, what did you think of it? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 12:21:47 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02784 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:21:46 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:23:35 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:21:03 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.251 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:23:34 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: Mark Cc: Marcy , dc-cycles Subject: Re: potholes! Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1980 20:22:45 GMT Message-ID: <132b7554.57597729@eriss.com> References: <200003061512.KAA15465@chipotle.merctech.com> In-Reply-To: <200003061512.KAA15465@chipotle.merctech.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:12:01 -0500, you wrote: |>I don't remember exactly. I've had 3 rims repaired total (1 BMW front, = 2=20 |>different GTS fronts). I think that the repair cost was about $35~$50, = and the=20 |>repair usually takes about 2 days (plus about 4~8 days shipping each = direction). Awesome. I hear Ye Ole wheel shop in montgomery county takes about a month to do the work (backlog) and chargest atleast $75. Do you have an idea how much shipping was? And Does the repair include repainting? BTW I accidently deleted the post with the name of the place, could you tell me again? thanks : ) daniel ex250/zx6r From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 12:42:54 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03099 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12S1WD-0003C9-00; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:42:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:42:14 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pluggin' tires In-Reply-To: <20000306160625.10503.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I put a plug in the rear D204 on my VFR and rode many thousands of miles without a problem. I've also had a plug put in my 400 Maxim back in the day without any problems. I believe I read in MCN that you shouldn't have more then one plug per 90 degrees of arc in the tire. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 12:45:22 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f186.hotmail.com [209.185.131.249]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03182 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76448 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2000 17:44:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306174434.76447.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:44:34 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, CWeaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bedo's Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:44:34 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I assume you're talking about Bedo's Leatherworks, 412 W. Broad Street >(703) 534-3233. FWIW... My experience with Bedo's after my one mishap: My Hein Gericke jacket needed to be patched at the elbows, relined, and cleaned/dyed to get the asphalt off. They did a good job on the patch. It was patched from the inside, the leather still looks dull but the protection is better than before. I could have had them put a patch on the outside but I was too cheap. They did a great job repairing the lining -- the fit is better and the material is thicker so it doesn't snag my watch. The cleaning/dye job was done off site and took about two weeks longer than expected. Overall... They did a good job, but don't expect to see your stuff back on time. I can't remember exactly what I paid... less than $75 for sure. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 12:51:18 2000 Return-Path: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03250 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:51:17 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.4e.2824dde (4240) for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:50:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4e.2824dde.25f549e5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:50:29 EST Subject: Re: Moto Leather Alteration Shop -Bedo's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 In a message dated 3/6/00 12:18:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > I assume you're talking about Bedo's Leatherworks I had them shorten a jacket for me about 5-6 years ago. They do good work. The stitching is still all in place and you can't tell that it was ever altered. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 13:01:33 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03424 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:01:31 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:03:09 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:00:37 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.251 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:03:08 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: Jeannette Zell Cc: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: on topic, off topic, on topic, puppies, dogs, and jetting WAS Re: FW: Fun Day at 211 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1980 21:02:20 GMT Message-ID: <132c7634.57821388@eriss.com> References: <4.1.20000306100127.009fcea0@intertv.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000306100127.009fcea0@intertv.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:03:26 +0000, you wrote: |>YIKES! That must've been scary. Tom & I took a short ride yesterday = over |>my parents' house, lots of bikes out, as well as too many BDCs. I rode= in |>today, as well, looks like it's going to be an amazing week! My = company |>just got acquired and we're going to a new schedule in May - I'll be |>getting every other Friday off! Looks like I may be ready to do some |>weekday riding this summer! woo hooooo! That is awesome! also my rottweiller had 3 puppies the other day. Some black mutt hopped in our yard, which is mostly fenced off by tall fences..=20 I was glad she only had 3 whew. atleast it was a matching color dog.. I knew i shoulda tied that dog up the first time I saw it.. and or gave it to the pound.. So now I know how you feel as far as having puppies.. I feel like i have babies in the household.. Anyone know if I can sue the owner of the black dog, if i can find them, to pay for the puppies shots n stuff? I imagine to spend $100 on shots? I spent like $50 getting the booster shots on my rottwieller. On a related note, my dog likes to bark at my bike and chase it and hop around.. and recently, she started to jump through and bite the exhaust fumes. (she likes to do the same with the water from the garden hose).. anyone elses dog(s) do that?=20 I don't know if its the noise, or the rolling, that makes her want to do that..=20 Daniel. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 13:18:17 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03681 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:18:16 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:20:06 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:17:34 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.251 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:20:04 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pluggin' tires Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1980 21:19:17 GMT Message-ID: <132d805b.60420583@eriss.com> References: <20000306160625.10503.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000306160625.10503.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:06:25 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>Found a nice, long nail in my new D207 rear. Anybody |>have any positive experiences plugging a |>high-performance radial? Most cycle shops say NEVER |>plug 'em. Give it to me!!! : ) (probably won't fit my bike anyway hehe) =20 the first time i added air, I could really feel the difference, in steering and in the curves.. and so I made it a point to keep it up.. and then the second time i added air to it, it seemed mysterious that I needed to add more air to it. yesterday, I found a nail in my tire yesterday.. hmm kept wondering why i was losign tire pressure.. I put air in it last week to 42 psi. Then someone said it looked low.. then someoen else said it... and i think i added air to it... then a friend of mine said it looked low and he was gonna put some air in it at his house (he has a compressor).. . and before we added air, I was checking out my tire.. and low and behold.. look, a tiny nail head. you bastard! I thought I was done for the day and I had a passenger too... anyway luckily he had a tire repair kit and he fixed my tire. Felt brand new moments later, and that's with a passenger on it. I think a consensus is that it's okay to put one plug in it. If I were a sponsered racer, sure I'd swap out tires heh.=20 But I'm not. I'm broke.. I'd probably go ahead and put a second plug in it, if I got a second nail. I think general consensus is to not put more than 2 plugs in it or maybe it was to not plug it twice, or not use two plugs in teh same hole if the hole is that big, or all of the above. I know one thing, I'm going to keep a tire repair kit under my seat with the rest of my tools. I never knew it was that simple to plug a tire. Also with the way tires are designed, one could probably ride to an air pump, patch the tire, then be good to go (home atleast). anyway if you are going to trash that tire, I'll be at your door to get it, just let me know! : ) (even if it doesn't fit, one of my broke friends might need it one day : ) =20 daniel ex250/zx6r From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 13:29:52 2000 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03813 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 21:19:24 UT Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 13:25 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "daniel_ex250@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:on topic, off topic, on topic, puppies, dogs, and jettin Message-ID: <2000030613291562-289f7b83@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not too much you can do about the other guy and his dog. The consensus would be that you should have had your dog locked away somewhere while she was in heat (no offense... but this would have been the responsible thing to do in the first place). Wait until they start to get some age on them... by the six week mark they'll be lethal I tell you! :-) Shots should run you roughly $40 or so per pup... I think that it's included in the puppy exam. You can also get some Erliworm from Petco or Pet Smart and de-worm them yourself. Lucky for us our Hera did not have worms (at least up until two weeks before birth) so I think we got away it... I'm still going to worm them but I don't want to pay for a vet to do what I can do already. Just think of the cost with twelve of them! :-o Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 13:56:00 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04334 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:57:59 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:55:27 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.251 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:57:58 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: on topic, off topic, on topic, puppies, dogs, and jetting WAS Re: FW: Fun Day at 211 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1980 21:57:08 GMT Message-ID: <132e84d3.61564373@eriss.com> References: <4.1.20000306100127.009fcea0@intertv.com> <132c7634.57821388@eriss.com> In-Reply-To: <132c7634.57821388@eriss.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable whoops forgot to ask about jetting. =20 Is there a way to tell if a bike is jetted? Someone said there will be black soot in the exhause if it is jetted? the previous owner said something to the effect of "no" then he said "well it is, but not all the way" that makes no sense to me.. anyone else? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 14:10:51 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04587 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:12:13 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:09:41 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.251 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:12:12 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Tom Zell" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: off topic puppy talk Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1980 22:11:24 GMT Message-ID: <132f8d4f.63736663@eriss.com> References: <2000030613291562-289f7b83@fanniemaefoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <2000030613291562-289f7b83@fanniemaefoundation.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are right. I thought my dog was locked away somewhere. Mainly I kept her in the house, then when I let her out, I didn't think another dog could get into our yard, and there was just one day where she was buggin me so much, I let her out and didn't keep an eye on her for like 15 min or so, and i even spotted the lil bastard in the yard and ran him off.... oh well too late.. needless to say i'm going to get a kennel type cage for when she's in heat.=20 Oh well.. I do have puppy experience from my current dog, just not from birth. thanks for the tips though. : ) I can't imagine having a whole 12 of them!! whewwww Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 14:11:52 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web502.mail.yahoo.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04614 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6997 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2000 19:11:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306191148.6996.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.179] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:11:48 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:11:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: on topic, off topic, on topic, puppies, dogs, and jetting WAS Re: FW: Fun Day at 211 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > whoops forgot to ask about jetting. > > Is there a way to tell if a bike is jetted? Someone > said there will > be black soot in the exhause if it is jetted? > > the previous owner said something to the effect of > "no" then he said > "well it is, but not all the way" that makes no > sense to me.. > anyone else? The previous owner should be re-contacted and asked specifically whether the bike has a jet-kit installed in it. His answer seems to indicate that it does, but that it wasn't set up properly. I just recently discovered that the previous owner of my bike had his head up his ass (!) when he re-jetted....needles all at different settings. Anybody know a tuner in Manassas with the last name Antonelli? I have a gift from dog-poo.com I need to get to him. Daniel: does the bike have an aftermarket exhaust installed? is it a full system? what brand of jet kit is potentially installed? When you have answers to these questions, you can then ask for some help with setting up the carbs correctly....either from the list or from the manufacturer of the jet kit. Just becoming familiar with this area myself. I can tell you one thing for certain....if you've got a full aftermarket exhaust system on that ZX6R and it hasn't been re-jetted, it ain't runnin like it should be. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 14:14:53 2000 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04679 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 22:04:24 UT Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:11 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "daniel_ex250@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: on topic, off topic, on topic, puppies, dogs, and je Message-ID: <20000306141415195-28c8aee7@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Soot in the exhaust only indicates that the engine is running rich... and quite a few factors can be the culprit; engine tune, aftermarket pipe, incorrectly installed jetting, etc. A properly installed jet kit will not blacken the end of the pipe... the result you're looking for is a lightly colored brown to dark brown film at the exhaust tip. Odds are likely that the jetting is stock... the only real way that you can tell though is to remove the carbs and have a peak inside. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: on topic, off topic, on topic, puppies, dogs, and jetti Author: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Date: 03/06/2000 9:57 PM whoops forgot to ask about jetting. Is there a way to tell if a bike is jetted? Someone said there will be black soot in the exhause if it is jetted? the previous owner said something to the effect of "no" then he said "well it is, but not all the way" that makes no sense to me.. anyone else? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 14:16:18 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04759 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 6 Mar 2000 14:15:56 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Pluggin' tires Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:19:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I talked to the bridgestone rep about this at an AMA race weekend a couple of years ago. He was pretty cool, he gave the official answer and his opinion. His thoughts were it depends on how hard you ride the bike. The heat cycles in the tires are what will kill the patch (talking about the glue in to the inside kind). The constant heating/cooling from hard riding will eventually crystalize the glue. The official word is that the tire can get hot enough that the patch will fail. The plug kind are only good to get you home. The heat cycles and soft compound will pop them in a second at triple digit speeds. I had just gotten nails in both my 400mi battleaxes before the event. I patched the front and used it for the life of a 207 rear (4000 mi or so) and then replaced it far before it was worn out. The rear had 2 nails, so I chucked it. Keep in mind that I used my bike mostly for commuting and kept the tires at the high psi numbers recommended by the manufacturer (36 front). That helps keep the tires cooler. You'll probably have to do the patching and tire r&r yourself. Nobody wants to be liable. Jay From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 14:24:40 2000 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web503.mail.yahoo.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04853 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27603 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2000 19:24:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306192432.27602.qmail@web503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.179] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:24:32 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:24:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re:Pluggin' tires To: "Jay St. Peter" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > The plug kind are only good to get you home. The > heat cycles and soft compound will pop them in a > second at triple digit speeds. Ouch....not what I wanted to hear. Tire-fire time. I'll wait until you're on your way to Daytona, Todd. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 14:24:50 2000 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04872 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:24:49 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.3c.1a2566d (6108) for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:24:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3c.1a2566d.25f55fdd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:24:13 EST Subject: Re: Pluggin' tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) <> No major problem with a plug - just remember that you no longer have a "Z" rated tire (more like an "H"). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 16:08:53 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06417 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-33.patriot.net [209.249.180.33]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA13962; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:08:41 -0500 Message-ID: <38C41DBD.F16E2C86@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:06:06 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" CC: "'Chuck Pena'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Moto Leather Alteration Shop References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do they fix asphalt burn? Lesson #1 - how NOT to break in leathers. Bill Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: > Yes, that's the one. Drop a line to the list when you get your jacket back > and let us know how they did. I'm specifically interested in having a > full-length waist zip put into my 2-piece suit. It has a 10-inch zip in the > back, but I'd feel better with a full zip. > > Chris > '98 VTR > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 3:19 PM > > To: Weaver, Chris_(MD) > > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Re: Moto Leather Alteration Shop > > > > Chris, > > > > I assume you're talking about Bedo's Leatherworks, 412 W. Broad Street > > (703) 534-3233. I've been in there when other customers (mostly > > Harley/cruiser riders) have picked up their stuff and they have all been > > very pleased. I am about to have them shorten the sleeves on the jacket > > of my suit (AGV Rage 2-piece). I'll let you know next week how they > > did! > > > > Chuck > > '93 GSXR 750 > > > > "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > > > > > > I noticed a motorcycle leather repair/alteration shop that I hadn't seen > > > before in Falls Church yesterday. It's about 1/2 mile west from the Lee > > > Hwy/Rt. 7 intersection near the Burger King, IIRC. Has anyone used this > > > shop, and if so, what did you think of it? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 18:12:22 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08167 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:12:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:11:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200003061811.AA129958304@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Subject: Re: Moto Leather Alteration Shop X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" >I noticed a motorcycle leather repair/alteration shop that I hadn't seen >before in Falls Church yesterday. It's about 1/2 mile west from the Lee >Hwy/Rt. 7 intersection near the Burger King, IIRC. Has anyone used this >shop, and if so, what did you think of it? I haven't had any work done there, but when I asked for an estimate for a leather book cover for a Christmas present, their cost was triple what Tricks of the Trade in Great Falls charged. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 18:14:42 2000 Return-Path: lmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08177 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: <38C43BA6.D068A7F3@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:13:42 -0500 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: thanx Collin References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, You're right, it wasn't THAT considerable. But since I could stay in the same zip code, you must both have been riding with one cylinder tied behind your back. Oh - Jeff, I forgot to tell you - your tires are bald. It was great - in fact, it was the RIDE OF THE CENTURY!!! Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey!!! It wasn't THAT considerable a distance in front > of me:-) Anyway I have never been on ANY of those roads > before and I had bald tires. > > Thanks to everyone, I had a great time. I look > forward to the next one. > > Just wait Collin, someday I'll have a 996 SPS, then > I'll show you and your 400 whose the boss!! > > Jeff From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 18:40:03 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08572 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:40:02 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.4b.1aef01c (15552) for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:39:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4b.1aef01c.25f59bac@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:39:24 EST Subject: Wheel slide To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Isn't that fun? Now you just gotta get to where you slide INTO the turn as well :) As for the tank slapper... it was caused by some variable, either: A) Chopping the throttle. This is an automatic response (or SR in Keith Code speak) and is most likely what happened - often your right wrist has a mind of it's own. B) Road surface change. If the reason the slide occired was a reduction of friction on the road surface, which then changed back to the original state (i.e. oil slick, leaf, etc). C) you did exactly the right thing and you're using Dunlop D207GPs. (Many racers compain about this, at least on the 750cc bikes) The right way to deal with it is to keep the same amount of throttle on (or keep rolling on) and reduce lean angle, thus bringing more weight onto the tire and allowing the rear to gain traction. While that sounds good on paper... it's hard as hell to do with your brain screaming "Oh Shit we're gonna die" inside your helmet :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 21:48:40 2000 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (host.intelsol.com [207.233.199.4] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11582 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from engin.umich.edu ([141.213.156.121]) by goliath.intelsol.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) with SMTP id 8525689B.000F4A02; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:47:05 -0500 Message-ID: <38C46F24.BADE2665@engin.umich.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:53:24 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" Reply-To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FRS radio stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel, I should have been saving messages as I've sent out direct replies about my setup and other FRS stuff several times over the past week or so.... Here is a very useful link on FRS radios. It includes history, frequencies, and product comparison. http://members.tripod.com/~jwilkers/frspage.html Any standard FRS radio can communicate with the Chatterbox FRS. The Helmet Chatterbox unit is limited to two channels. Channel 1 and channel 8 of the FRS assigned frequencies (you can look those up on the website). The Chatterbox FRS pro is a handheld unit like any other and will need the $120 "pro pack" kit to use it on a bike. I think the Chatterbox Pro unit has the CTCSS subcodes (commonly MIS-called "privacy" codes) but I am not sure... The helmet unit does not have these. Any of the radios can operate on the standard channels though. The subcodes are just to go down to subchannels on a given channel. You can NOT do that with the helmet unit. Also be aware that some FRS radios use a different subcode/auto-squelching which I believe is called DSS (not sure... but that info is also on that web page ...but it is less used than CTCSS) Anita Lauro (not actively on the list, but catches the occasional thread I forward over) has the helmet chatterbox unit. I have a Jenson 600s... We managed clear comms at distances of AT LEAST a mile, maybe a bit further. I was using a rigged up earphone mic with mine, so my voice quality wasn't as good as the radio has potential for... I have the Jensen specific earphone mic (all in the ear, so it should be out of wind noise) on order and will test it out next time in town... even with the cell phone headset I had plugged into my radio, we could talk fairly well up through about 55 or 60 mph.... after that, my headset was picking up a bit too much wind noise for Anita to understand clearly...but for simple one word comms (like "GRAVEL") work ok at higher speeds. I'll report back once I get the actual Jensen unit... Oh yeah... I also bought some web strapping and some buckles for $4 at Sunny's and made nifty little straps to go around my forearm where I hook the radio on.... Another issue to look out for if you buy a regular FRS radio and want to modify headsets to it is the input plug.... Some units like the Motorola use a two plug system. Others like my Jensen use a single plug system like a lot of cell phones do... Hunt around on ebay.. you can get some good deals... I got TWO new radios for $60.....and with x.com offering $20 for signing up with their service, I ended up only spending $40 :) The radios have hundreds of other uses too... the wife and I use them when we go to the local superstore or mall...the kiddo and I can wander off to more manly sections/stores while she hits groceries or girly stores and I no longer get in trouble due to not being able to find me! We can chat the entire time and neither of us is bored by being dragged through the uninteresting sections of the stores ;-) Get one... they are cheap and you will like it! Gotta run for dinner...feel free to ask any more questions. Collin -- ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, EBC Brakes, and Dunlop Tires From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 21:54:36 2000 Return-Path: blister55@XXXXXX Received: from web3201.mail.yahoo.com (web3201.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.198]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11859 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:54:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000307025355.19617.qmail@web3201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.188.45.100] by web3201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:53:55 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:53:55 -0800 (PST) From: JEM Racing Subject: Daytona Race Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just wrote up this quasi race report if anyone is interested. Even though it doesn't even scratch the surface of the the last 5 days it was too long to post in a mail. So much happened I can't remember our finishing orders, but you can read it here - http://www.geocities.com/blister55/index.html Photos will follow if any turn out well. ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 23:17:27 2000 Return-Path: alarix@XXXXXX Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13438 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.22.32] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP294.dialsprint.net [168.191.22.32]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23091 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:17:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003070417.UAA23091@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:08:54 -0500 Subject: Re: puppies (non moto) :D From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit maybe you could just _ask_ the owner of the other dog to pay? or at least to split the cost with you .... >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/06/00 >Date: Mon, Mar 6, 2000, 7:00 PM > > Anyone know if I can sue the owner of the black dog, if i can find > them, to pay for the puppies shots n stuff? I imagine to spend $100 > on shots? I spent like $50 getting the booster shots on my > rottwieller. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 23:17:30 2000 Return-Path: alarix@XXXXXX Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13440 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.22.32] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP294.dialsprint.net [168.191.22.32]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23012 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:17:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003070417.UAA23012@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:59:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Todd Peer :D From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ROTFLMAO now that's the best comment I've seen yet in the whole entire thread! but Todd, really, 6 whole paragraphs? I'm surprised you spent so much time on it ;D >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/06/00 >Date: Mon, Mar 6, 2000, 7:00 PM > > Hey this is fun fuckyfyckyfucky. Stoopid heh? I COULD go on. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 23:38:02 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13739 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:40:02 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:37:30 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.251 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:40:00 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Marcy" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: puppies (non moto) :D Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1980 07:39:18 GMT Message-ID: <1328144e.98301213@eriss.com> References: <200003070417.UAA23091@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200003070417.UAA23091@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Duh on me.. good idea.. of course the dog had no tags and a chewed off rope as a former restriction, I get the idea that the owner isn't a big spender, nor cares very much. : ) daniel =20 On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:08:54 -0500, you wrote: |>maybe you could just _ask_ the owner of the other dog to pay?=20 |>or at least to split the cost with you .... |> |>>>>>>>>Marcy |>>>>>>>>CB-1 400F |>>>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." |> |>---------- |>>From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list = administrator) |>>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX |>>Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/06/00 |>>Date: Mon, Mar 6, 2000, 7:00 PM |>> |> |>> Anyone know if I can sue the owner of the black dog, if i can find |>> them, to pay for the puppies shots n stuff? I imagine to spend $100 |>> on shots? I spent like $50 getting the booster shots on my |>> rottwieller. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 23:42:21 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13825 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29043 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2000 04:42:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000307044217.29042.qmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:42:17 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:42:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fw: tires for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From another list... Tires sound like a good deal and likely gone already, but worth asking about...respond to them, not me... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:38:34 -0600 From: John Wendl To: "Motorcycle Roadrace Listserver (E-mail)" Subject: For Sale: '99 R6 Stock Exhaust and Tires Message-ID: For Sale: 1999 R6 stock exhaust (full system). Brand new. Only 100 street miles to break in motor then swapped for race pipe. $125 +shipping Also stock Dunlop ZR17 radials. 120/60F 180/55 R Barely scuffed in with only 100 miles to break in motor. Brand new condition. $100 +shipping $200 +shipping for both. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 6 23:44:55 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13835 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26828 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2000 04:44:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20000307044452.26827.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:44:52 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fw: aerostitch for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Looks like a decent price...same deal.. contact him not me.. Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:39:23 -0600 From: John Wendl To: "Motorcycle Roadrace Listserver (E-mail)" Subject: For Sale: Aerostich Roadcrafter Suit Message-ID: For Sale: 2 piece Aerostich Roadcrafter suit. Black on Black. Excellent condition. Size 46 regular. $450 John Wendl CCS Mid-American Expert #40 jwendl@XXXXXX ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 00:25:33 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA14544 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:25:31 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:27:36 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:25:04 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.251 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:27:32 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: helmet too small? Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1980 08:26:49 GMT Message-ID: <13291a8b.99898253@eriss.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46or those of you with the good jobs where you get to do whatever you want all day, you can read the whole message, for those of you who like to cut the crap, you can read the last paragraph : ) =46or those of you who recall, I started riding june of last year. I bought a helmet that felt great, but I didn't buy it snug enough evidently. It still feels good, but the material has obviiously compacted, and at high speeds I get a slight shift. That's a large. brand; Vega 880, the other helmets i tried on (HJC) felt horrible crowding my cheeks. The salesman told me the helmet fit right.=20 Oh well. Now it doesn't fit as good as I like. Anyway..so I buy a passenger helmet from a friend, an HJC.. and I remember when he got it..and I tried it on, it felt horrible like my head was being squished. It is a size "small". So anyway when I buy it from him last week as a passenger helmet (for my small 5'-ish chicks I ride around heh) he told me to try it on and that it really wasn't so bad.=20 So i try it on.. and it was murder puttng it on and taking off, but wearing it wasn't so bad! So after a little prodding I decide to ride home in it.. still not bad.. just a little annoying to put on and take off. I actually like the snugness. Then after a little thinking, I realized it wasn't so bad to put on and take off, if I pull the helmet wide, as I put it on and take it off. So how can I tell if the helmet is too small? I don't want to get into an accident and have my chin smashed in heheh. As far as riding comfort, it is fine. Is there a certain amount of clearance or general rule of thumb about how much space should be between my chin and the chin bar? If i stick my chin forward it can touch the chin bar and I guess that's what i'm worried about... but if i bang on the chin bar it doesn't touch my chin unless i stick my chin forward.. of course that's not a 14 mph (snell standard?) impact either.. hmm I just banged it a little harder and I can make it touch my chin.=20 Of course I would imagine when I crash the helmet would shift the weight towards my forehead and the helmet would roll down, and the chin bar would go down towards my chest instead of backwards towards my chin.. but who knows.. I guess I better stick to my original helmet? Your thoughts? daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 01:07:57 2000 Return-Path: toddbpeer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15293 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-129-59.s313.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.59] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12SD9C-0005GD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:07:11 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: newbies perspective... Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:06:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf87fb$4ed3aee0$3b81a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS Woohoo! Yes, that was the Jordan group you guys passed. Quite a gaggle of I-talian machinery you were tailing. WX is gettin good. Time to GO RIDE! Todd ---------------------------- To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:25:43 -0500 Subject: Re: newbies perspective... Content-Disposition: inline Instead of complaining about someone else's post being off topic, thereby adding to the off topic thread, how about telling us about your favorite road, or what you ride, or...? I had a damn good time yesterday out riding with the Purcellville crew. We waved at a group of bike folk in Shepardstown. Was that you, Mr. Jordan? I put another 300 miles on the Bonnie :). The more I think about, the more it makes sense to *ride* to Mid Ohio Vintage Days this year. I have no qualms about a 300 mile day, so what's another 100? :) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 01:18:01 2000 Return-Path: toddbpeer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15444 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-129-59.s313.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.59] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12SDIy-0006Lp-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:17:16 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Pluggin' tires Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:16:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bf87fc$b7bba6a0$3b81a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Yes, butt some of those same cycle shops insist that WD-40 is bad for a chain and, a pro-carb set up is not to be questioned. Do you really know if your valves have been properly adjusted? IMO, a good plug will simply become harder and more fixed to the inside skin of your tire. You will wear to the cord before it spits (and it won't). Todd ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Pluggin' tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Found a nice, long nail in my new D207 rear. Anybody have any positive experiences plugging a high-performance radial? Most cycle shops say NEVER plug 'em. -- tg From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 01:24:45 2000 Return-Path: toddbpeer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15541 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-129-59.s313.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.59] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12SDPU-0006qf-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:24:00 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Pluggin' tires Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:23:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf87fd$a8630300$3b81a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 For a serious peace of mind, I agree with Tom Z. on this one. The patch, properly cemented, will not move and will act as an excellent plug. That's about $1.50 and an hour of labor (over a couple beers of course). Gotta be better than another $100 out of pocket. Todd ------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:51 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Tom Gimer" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Pluggin' tires Here's what I did... I took my wheel and tire down to my friends gas station and popped the tire off the rim using his tire machine (the modern, center grabbing machine... use heavy rags to protect the inside of the rim). I then used a radial patch on the inside of the tire to seal the whole. This is not a plug. You will need to grind down the inside of the tire around the whole and then use contact/runner cement to bond the patch to the tire. The patch is directional and should be aligned with the belt construction of the tire. Balance the tire if it matters to you... the patch that I used was so small though that I didn't even bother with it. This method saved my D207 right before going on a 600 mile round trip excursion. It is still on the VFR (needs replacing now... it's worn out... been on there two years now) and was doing just fine yesterday. Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 01:56:48 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16071 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:56:47 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.5f.241b554 (3967); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:56:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5f.241b554.25f60204@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:56:04 EST Subject: Re: helmet too small? To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/7/00 12:34:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > So how can I tell if the helmet is too small? Basic test: 1) Put Helmet on :) 2) Reach over your head, grasp the bottom edge of the back of the helmet and pull forward (you're trying to rip it off your head). If you can get the that lower edge past the base of your skull, it's too small. 2) Try twisting the helmet on your head. Are you now staring at the inside lining with one of your eyes? Too small. 3) Shake your head, doing your best impression of a (clothes) washing machine. Does the helmet move? Too small. In all seriousness, when you first get a helmet, it'll prob be a little tight - this is good, because it's going to "break in" a bit. The biggest thing to keep in mind is what kind of head you have - round or pointy. I have one of the pointy variety, which makes HJC and Arai Centry helmets a good fit. If you have more of a roundish head, the Shoei and Arai Signet helmets will fit better. I can't suggest looking at Arai helmets enough since replacing my HJC (which did it's job perfectly at Summit) with an Arai Centry/e. It's comfortable, quiet, and has some really nice features like tool-less visor replacement, vents *in* the visor, and sizable cheek pads (for a perfect fit). You pay more for the Arai's, but after wearing many types of helmets over the last 11 years, they're the best I've ever had - and hey, it's your skull! - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 02:16:11 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA16747 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 02:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id s.fb.2f86610 (3967); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 02:15:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 02:15:03 EST Subject: Re: newbies perspective... To: rcrishoc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/6/00 7:28:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, rcrishoc@XXXXXX writes: > I put another 300 miles on the Bonnie :). The more I think about, the more > it makes sense to *ride* to Mid Ohio Vintage Days this year. I have no > qualms about a 300 mile day, so what's another 100? :) We rode out last year and has a lot of fun... we took the LONG way though, sticking to the 2-lane twisties up through the mountains. 500 miles on a Ducati will cure you of any thinking that you're still young and nimble :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 02:59:31 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA17427 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 02:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts002d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.100] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:59:20 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Hrmmm. where to start - Tire Plugging. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:58:11 -0700 Message-ID: <002201bf880a$e21ec0e0$30eb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal >From the mouth of an MMI instructor: NO tire mfg. recomends putting a patch/plug in a tire. When pressed about it though, the opinion will often come out that the plug-patch type is the way to go if you're going to path (similar to the automotive type patches). Never patch outside the center third of the tread (think about how much flex the tire goes through.. can and often will work the patch/plug loose). Never put a tube in a tubeless tire. And if you do patch, reduce the speed rating 2 levels (Z-150+ to 130mph, whatever that letter is). I've never had to plug/patch a newish tire, so I haven't had to contemplate wether or not I'd keep a patched tire... I probably would considering most of my riding is commuting at sane levels (rarely over 70mph). Oh, and whoever said that you need to do it yourself is right.. no shop's going to take that kind of liability on their shoulders. Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 03:09:38 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17585 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts002d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.100] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:09:31 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Tire Sizes Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:08:22 -0700 Message-ID: <002301bf880c$4e353c40$30eb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal you have Bias-ply and Radial tires. They have radically different profiles. A bias-ply tire is much more 'rounded', and the bead area is significantly narrower. Radials are a lot 'flatter' in the tread area with a wider bead area for the 'same size' tire (which is what they recomend never putting radials on bias-rims.. it 'pinches' the tire and screws with the profile). Bias-ply tires are an integral part of the motorcycles suspension (the tires flex a lot), whereas the radials have much stiffer sidewalls and transfer more of the suspension duty to the bikes components. It's generaly a bad idea all around to swap tire types (changes a lot of things, fitment on the rim, how the suspension works, the rake and trail of the motorcycle, etc...) The number 160 (on a 160/60ZR17 labeled tire) does stand for the width (in approximate measurements - from tread edge to tread edge.. a bias-tire will 'appear' narrower). The 60 is the 'aspect ratio' of 60% of the tire width. Z is the speed rating, R means it's a radial and 17 is the rim size (inner diameter). My instructor also said (after a LOT of pushing on the matter) that it's safe to go up or down 1 size from the mfg. specs. Anyway... I'll shut up about that now... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 03:19:54 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17864 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts002d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.100] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:19:44 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: rim straightening Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:18:35 -0700 Message-ID: <002401bf880d$bba21fe0$30eb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Very few of the motorcycle racers I know will suggest going to 'Ye olde tire shop' because of bad experiences and high prices. There's another wheel straightening place somewhere in PA that's about $50 a rim (or was last time I heard). You can also contact the 'Frame Man' in Sacramento, CA - he's known for doing a good job... Actually, call up GMD Computrack in Gathersburg, MD and ask who they'd recomend. Generally, the rims are NOT repainted/powdercoated (though they're not ruined most of the time either).. but you will need new bearings more than likely (I think they require the bearings removed... and it's just a BAD idea to reuse bearings). I know racers who run onf strightened rims.. I know racers who've crashed because a strightened rim's gone bad. I know street-riders who've put thousands and thousands of miles on strightened rims... I also know that you can pick up a salvage yard rim for about $100 (minus the rotors - and NOT for the GTS.. sheesh :)... there are lots of different options. Hope you find something that works for you. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 03:19:55 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17865 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts002d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.100] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:19:47 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Tank fuel-level guage/light Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:18:37 -0700 Message-ID: <002501bf880d$bd10cb10$30eb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I know I've seen the fuel level guages that screw into the tank as a replacement for the gas-cap... and I can't imagine it'd be to difficult to rig up an idiot light/sensor to the reserve switch (or do you not have a reserve switch?) without much difficulty. Guess I never saw the point when I could do more than 40 miles on reserve....... As for drilling the tank, the ZX7RR I played witness to drilling was drilled out a might bit larger than the tube and a rubber gromet was fitted (heh, I think we got it from REI!). It mad for a very nice and clean look.. almost as if it was meant to be there. Just watch out when filling up with gas, there's not going to tbe a check-valve or anything on there and you'll likely push gas out the over-flow if you're not careful.... Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 03:24:21 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17961 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts002d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.100] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:24:17 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: jetted ZX6 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:23:08 -0700 Message-ID: <002601bf880e$5e270b40$30eb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal About the only way you're going to really know if the bike has a jet kit is if you open up the carbs (the CV slide part) and see if there are adjustable jet needles in there (the EPA doesn't allow them in late-model vehicles). If you don't have the adjustable needles, never fear - the factories usually jet the midrange lean, and you can pick up a handfull fo 3mm washers to shim up the stock needles (2 washers equals about one clip position on adjustable needles). Cheers.... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 07:22:31 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22487 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-153.patriot.net [209.249.180.153]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA31776; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:22:22 -0500 Message-ID: <38C4F3E0.66ADB35D@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 07:19:45 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet too small? References: <13291a8b.99898253@eriss.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it wiggles on your head when you shake your head it's to large. Some helmets may not *fit* your head shape properly, so try on different brands. A wee bit tight at first is good. The bead foam liner will conform, or *break in* to fit. DOT is 14.? MPH and Snell is 17.? MPH, but that has nothoing to do with helmet movement on the head. It is the shock adsorbing ability of the helmet shell and liner before causing brain muddle. Results may vary :-) Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > So how can I tell if the helmet is too small? I don't want to get into > an accident and have my chin smashed in heheh. As far as riding > comfort, it is fine. Is there a certain amount of clearance or > general rule of thumb about how much space should be between my chin > and the chin bar? If i stick my chin forward it can touch the chin > bar and I guess that's what i'm worried about... but if i bang on the > chin bar it doesn't touch my chin unless i stick my chin forward.. of > course that's not a 14 mph (snell standard?) impact either.. hmm I > just banged it a little harder and I can make it touch my chin. > Of course I would imagine when I crash the helmet would shift the > weight towards my forehead and the helmet would roll down, and the > chin bar would go down towards my chest instead of backwards towards > my chin.. but who knows.. I guess I better stick to my original > helmet? Your thoughts? > > daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 08:05:02 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23966 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-153.patriot.net [209.249.180.153]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA02677 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:04:53 -0500 Message-ID: <38C4FDD8.23E07248@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:02:16 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: About those envious looks.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Y`all know the *look* - a cage driver eyeballing your bike, wishing he/she had the nerve to break away from thier pendantic life and feel the freedom of the wind. Us Harley guys get an extra dose of that. Harley is the icon of rebelious freedom. Every time us H-D guys pull off for a butt break, and we need a lotta those :-) a crowd gathers. But lately the envious looks have increased in direct proportion with the RISING GAS PRICES! Folks who would never get on a scoot are turning green. The sit in the mega-whamper-stomper SUVS (the whistle you hear is the fuel being sucked thru the gas line) and you know they're thinking - I bet that bike gets like 60 miles to the gallon. Har har har. Suddenly.we're not bad boys and girls but greenies- helping the environment! Course my chugger doesn't get anywhere near 60MPG, but it beats the hell out of my pickemup truck's milage. It is our moment in the sun - in more ways than one. ENJOY! Bill reaching for pocket change at the gas pump. heeheeheehee... From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 08:30:25 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24709 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:30:20 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 07 Mar 2000 05:32:25 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:29:53 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.251 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 07 Mar 2000 05:32:23 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: air horn Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:31:44 GMT Message-ID: <38c52a3e.129138328@eriss.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So the beater pickup I bought last june or so, has 2 air horns installed. never thought about them.. until I seen them on a bike. So I remove one set (one blower motor and 2 horns) and install it on my zx6R. GREAT! so if you are ever in a truck junkyard, maybe you can find one cheap? they are like $25 in stores. that old wimpy kawasaki horn sucked. I could barely hear it and i was closest to it. Anyway.. For some reason, it sounds louder/better with one horn.. I think the T splitter doesn't like to divide the air flow? Also by me taking so long to hook it up and playing with it with the key on, my battery was drained. I had to push the bike out the yard, and planned on rolling down hill to pop start it. Hmm do I want to take the passenger helmet or no? yeah I'll put it on. And I put the helmet and net on.=20 Well after I push it 90% out of the yard, I decide "ok i'll hop on from here and start my coasting process"... whoops : ) Forgot the helmet was there.. oooh nooo boot caught in the net uh oh uh oh oooh noo bike falling over! atleast it fell all in the grass with no damage and didn't hit the sidewalk inches away. whew! =20 Either this bike is tough or i'm lucky. heheh. This is the first time I coudn't pick it up though, because of the way it was laying, i could only get a grip to pick it up so far, and I couldn't wedge something under it so that I could change my grip to pick it up the rest of the way.=20 So my 2 riding buddies are waiting on me, so I tell them to come over.. and one who is used to a 500+ something pound 88 1000 ninja grabs it by the handlebars and picks it right up like it's a kids bike. hehe. OOPS I took the MSF course.. I guess when you get advanced enough to try to work on your chicken stripes you forget about the little things like to always mount the vehicle properly. Also in pop start mode when you're alone running beside the bike gets you into the hop on mode. Well lesson learned I hope.. even if I run and pop start the bike, I'll stop it, put it in nuetral and put the kick stand down. "when mounting a bike always make sure all the weight is on the kick stand, and mount the bike slowly" hehe. Love my air horn though.. i have it facing the left.. i'd like to install the other one facing the right... hmm.. wonder why it sucks with 2 horns.... ? daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 08:39:16 2000 Return-Path: jzell@XXXXXX Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26078 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09238; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:39:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000307084256.009f4b40@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:45:56 +0000 To: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: About those envious looks.. In-Reply-To: <38C4FDD8.23E07248@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, I know what you mean! I got one of the best responses EVER yesterday as I was waiting at a light. A Mom in a station wagon with her two daughters was idling next to me. All of a sudden, the older of the two daughters - maybe around 10 - yells to me with a huge smile on her face and a thumbs-up sign, "Girl power!" I just about died. : ) The Mom nodded and smiled, and the other girl waved with a huge grin on her face. I said, "There aren't too many of us out now, but by the time you're my age we'll be everywhere!" LOL Girl power is right. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 08:02 AM 3/7/00 -0500, Bill Huson wrote: >Y`all know the *look* - a cage driver eyeballing your bike, wishing >he/she had the nerve to break away from thier pendantic life and feel >the freedom of the wind. Us Harley guys get an extra dose of that. >Harley is the icon of rebelious freedom. Every time us H-D guys pull >off for a butt break, and we need a lotta those :-) a crowd gathers. > >But lately the envious looks have increased in direct proportion with >the RISING GAS PRICES! Folks who would never get on a scoot are turning >green. The sit in the mega-whamper-stomper SUVS (the whistle you hear >is the fuel being sucked thru the gas line) and you know they're >thinking - I bet that bike gets like 60 miles to the gallon. Har har >har. Suddenly.we're not bad boys and girls but greenies- helping the >environment! Course my chugger doesn't get anywhere near 60MPG, but it >beats the hell out of my pickemup truck's milage. > >It is our moment in the sun - in more ways than one. ENJOY! > >Bill >reaching for pocket change at the gas pump. heeheeheehee... > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 09:08:16 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00422 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wheel slide Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:07:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Possibly A), but I didn't realize what was happening until the bike brought itself upright and tankslapped. I might have chopped the throttle, but I must have the reflexes of a shao-lin master if I did. Probably not B). The road was in very good shape, with little or no sand, gravel, oil, potholes etc. Not exactly C). I have D207ZRs on. They are just a little squared off, but that shouldn't really affect this discussion. I have to go with A) I guess, since it seems the only reasonable answer to what happened. I need to become more comfortable with sliding the bike I guess. Time to get a dirtbike, huh? Chris '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 6:39 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Wheel slide > > > Isn't that fun? Now you just gotta get to where you slide INTO the turn as > well :) > > As for the tank slapper... it was caused by some variable, either: > > A) Chopping the throttle. This is an automatic response (or SR in Keith > Code speak) and is most likely what happened - often your right wrist has > a mind of it's own. > > B) Road surface change. If the reason the slide occired was a reduction of > friction on the road surface, which then changed back to the original > state (i.e. oil slick, leaf, etc). > > C) you did exactly the right thing and you're using Dunlop D207GPs. (Many > racers compain about this, at least on the 750cc bikes) > > The right way to deal with it is to keep the same amount of throttle on > (or keep rolling on) and reduce lean angle, thus bringing more weight onto > the tire and allowing the rear to gain traction. While that sounds good on > paper... it's hard as hell to do with your brain screaming "Oh Shit we're > gonna die" inside your helmet :) > > - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 09:44:12 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02048 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-05.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.69]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08466 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:44:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C540A8.ADF9AC38@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:47:20 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: About those envious looks.. References: <38C4FDD8.23E07248@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Bill! I resemble that remark! My cage is an SUV! %^) Chuck '93 GSXR 750 Bill Huson wrote : > > green. The sit in the mega-whamper-stomper SUVS (the whistle you hear > is the fuel being sucked thru the gas line) and you know they're > thinking - I bet that bike gets like 60 miles to the gallon. Har har From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 09:44:00 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02039 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12SLCi-000745-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 06:43:20 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 06:43:27 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pluggin' tires In-Reply-To: <000101bf87fc$b7bba6a0$3b81a4d8@todd> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Todd Peer wrote: > > IMO, a good plug will simply become harder and more fixed to the inside skin > of your tire. You will wear to the cord before it spits (and it won't). > > Todd As a data point I rode my plugged D204 down to the chord in last years Capitol 1000 without a problem. Someone also stated that shops wouldn't want to take on the liability of plugging tires. I've had both my plugged tires fixed by garage/gas stations and they never blinked. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 09:58:27 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02284 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12SLQi-0007Dv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 06:57:48 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 06:57:55 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: About those envious looks.. In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000307084256.009f4b40@intertv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Egads, Ginger Spice rides a VFR. Who knew! On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > LOL, I know what you mean! > > I got one of the best responses EVER yesterday as I was waiting at a light. > > A Mom in a station wagon with her two daughters was idling next to me. All > of a sudden, the older of the two daughters - maybe around 10 - yells to me > with a huge smile on her face and a thumbs-up sign, "Girl power!" I just > about died. : ) > The Mom nodded and smiled, and the other girl waved with a huge grin on her > face. I said, "There aren't too many of us out now, but by the time you're > my age we'll be everywhere!" LOL > Girl power is right. : ) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 10:02:50 2000 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02371 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud793) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12SLUq-0003rr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:02:04 -0500 Message-ID: <00d101bf8845$0ea4de30$f95d800a@wsdellud793.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: About those envious looks.. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:54:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Uh... I knew... Kirt -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell To: Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 10:00 AM Subject: Re: About those envious looks.. > > Egads, Ginger Spice rides a VFR. Who knew! > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 10:10:49 2000 Return-Path: jzell@XXXXXX Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02450 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11050; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:10:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000307101635.00a01b80@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:17:30 +0000 To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: About those envious looks.. In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20000307084256.009f4b40@intertv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ACK! You guys suck! That's not the type of girl power I meant! : ( Evil evil boys. ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 06:57 AM 3/7/00 -0800, Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Egads, Ginger Spice rides a VFR. Who knew! > >On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > >> LOL, I know what you mean! >> >> I got one of the best responses EVER yesterday as I was waiting at a light. >> >> A Mom in a station wagon with her two daughters was idling next to me. All >> of a sudden, the older of the two daughters - maybe around 10 - yells to me >> with a huge smile on her face and a thumbs-up sign, "Girl power!" I just >> about died. : ) >> The Mom nodded and smiled, and the other girl waved with a huge grin on her >> face. I said, "There aren't too many of us out now, but by the time you're >> my age we'll be everywhere!" LOL >> Girl power is right. : ) >> > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 10:18:57 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03510 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14975 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:18:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:18:50 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Wheel slide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: > I have to go with A) I guess, since it seems the only reasonable answer > to what happened. It's only natural to get off the gas. You've let off the gas thousands of times. You have, in fact, done the shaolin monk training thing (repetition, repetition, repetition). > Time to get a dirtbike, huh? There's a lot more to the dirtbike thing than just learning stuff to apply to street riding. I all but abandoned recreational street riding last year after returning to dirt riding (something I'd done as a kid but forgotten how much fun it is). There's just something to the idea that you can get out on your dirt bike and ride at 100% (often more - protective gear is important) with relatively little risk of injury. By relative I'm comparing riding your street bike at 100%, or even 80 or 90%. Even when I did the Superbike School last summer I rode much more conservatively than I do each and every time I ride the dirt bike. Another angle - if I ride by a bunch of Harleys on my converted to street legal dirt bike everyone forgets the Harleys exist, including the guys on the Harleys. Nothing seems to get the interest of children up more than someone riding by on a dirt bike... "Wow, I can still play in the mud and get completely dirty even when I'm grown up! Cool!" :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 10:28:27 2000 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04007 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id KAA26843; Tue, 7 Mar 1972 10:31:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1972 10:31:49 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hrmmm. where to start - Tire Plugging. In-Reply-To: <002201bf880a$e21ec0e0$30eb9bcf@tra> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Brian McCoy wrote: > >From the mouth of an MMI instructor: > [snip] > Never put a tube in a tubeless tire. Ok...why not? From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 10:37:12 2000 Return-Path: Rob_Bell@XXXXXX Received: from relay5.smtp.psi.net (relay5.smtp.psi.net [38.9.28.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05268 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay5.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 12SM2c-0004mT-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:36:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:36 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: AGV gloves Message-ID: <20000307103519694-3baee6a@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii after much deliberation I've (tentatively) decided on a pair of AGV gloves. They seem to offer good protection at a much more reasonable price than the Held, Dainese or Kushitani gloves. I'm not averse to spending the $ for protection but unnecessary premiums are just that. so.. anybody know where I can pick some of these up around here?? any past noteworthy experiences (actual crash tests) on these things? TIA keep the shiny side up! Rob 96VFR Gburg, md From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 10:53:21 2000 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05595 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:53:18 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11337 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:58:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200003071558.KAA11337@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:52:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Arai helmets Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) While we are talking about the various helmets & the way they fit, are there any local shops which carry Arai helmets so I could try one on? It's difficult to pick out the right helmet through mail order... I've got an AGV which i like alot, but I want to get a second helmet for a passenger and..... Oh, ok i'll be honest... I just want a new helmet.... Thanks, -John N 88 FZR 400 85 PX150 Vespa From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 10:55:17 2000 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05618 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:55:16 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23392; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:37:31 -0600 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id KAA35284; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:55:09 -0500 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525689B.0057718C ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:55:07 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: rob_bell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525689B.0056EA15.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:49:18 -0500 Subject: AGV gloves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Rob try Cycle Accessory Discounters in G'berg (301-977-7188) If they don't have the gloves in stock, they can order them for you. >>after much deliberation I've (tentatively) decided on a pair of AGV gloves. >>They seem to offer good protection at a much more reasonable price than the >>Held, Dainese or Kushitani gloves. I'm not averse to spending the $ for >>protection but unnecessary premiums are just that. so.. >>anybody know where I can pick some of these up around here?? >>any past noteworthy experiences (actual crash tests) on these things? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 TIA keep the shiny side up! Rob 96VFR Gburg, md From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 11:04:46 2000 Return-Path: cerberus@XXXXXX Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (pix2-54.pix.aol.com [152.163.191.54]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05919 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28759; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id LAA04947; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:04:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:04:12 -0500 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: jnewman@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Arai helmets In-Reply-To: <200003071558.KAA11337@bmdo.mcri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > While we are talking about the various helmets & the way they fit, > are there any local shops which carry Arai helmets so I could try > one on? It's difficult to pick out the right helmet through mail > order... I've got an AGV which i like alot, but I want to get a > second helmet for a passenger and..... Oh, ok i'll be honest... I > just want a new helmet.... Cycle Sport in Herndon has them, as well as colemans powersport in falls church. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no accident "user" is a 4 letter word --KV From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 11:05:54 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05998 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:05:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:05:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200003071105.AA1260519776@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , CC: Subject: Re: Hrmmm. where to start - Tire Plugging. X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Garcia Oliver >> From the mouth of an MMI instructor: >> >> Never put a tube in a tubeless tire. > >Ok...why not? Some tire manufacturers leave a pretty rough surface on the inside of their tubeless tires - it could wear away at the tube after a while. But some tires are marked as tube/tubeless, so I guess you can go either way with them. I've also heard a tube stuffed into a tire makes it run hotter, but folks have been running tubes in tires for years, so I doubt it makes that much difference. It does seem like another viable option to deal with a punctured tire. After you've removed the nail, that is. :) Hork -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 11:19:47 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06180 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:19:45 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:21:50 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:19:18 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.251 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:21:49 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: who has the ramps for sale? Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:21:10 GMT Message-ID: <38c65671.140454938@eriss.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can someone send me the email about the ramps for sale. My good friend is interested. Thanks. My email program accidently purged the post. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 11:47:08 2000 Return-Path: blister55@XXXXXX Received: from web3205.mail.yahoo.com (web3205.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.202]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06712 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:47:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000307164633.24753.qmail@web3205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.254.189.170] by web3205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:46:33 PST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:46:33 -0800 (PST) From: JEM Racing Subject: Re: AGV gloves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had AGV's and they were okay, but feel cheesy compared to the Teknic Violators I have now. I paid about $100 mail order, about same as the older AGV's. http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/product.asp?Dept=&ID=1889 > the > >>Held, Dainese or Kushitani gloves. I'm not averse > to spending the $ for > >>protection but unnecessary premiums are just that. > so.. > >>anybody know where I can pick some of these up > around here?? > >>any past noteworthy experiences (actual crash > tests) on these things? > > Regards, > Tom Knapik > E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 > > > > > > TIA > keep the shiny side up! > Rob > 96VFR > Gburg, md > > > > ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 11:57:10 2000 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from bastion4.mail.sprint.com (bastion4.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06793 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion4.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:56:10 -0600 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:56:01 -0600 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA23955 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:56:00 -0600 (CST) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14484 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:55:59 -0500 (EST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:55:59 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: Dead batteries TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-12ef83bf-00000001" --openmail-part-12ef83bf-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, Thanks to everyone that replied re: batteries and life expectancy. It's taken me a while to reply back 'cause of travel, a sinus infection, and other fun stuff has keep me from work and from riding. Being away from work I don't mind, but being sick and not riding during this lovely weather is a bummer. :-( As for the bike: I ended up buying a new battery at Walmart. It cost $27 and my car and bike mechanic, Randy, filled, charged, and installed it last weekend. We went for a brief ride one evening and it runs great. I guess I'll just have to live with buying a new battery each year or so. But at $27 instead of $70 and up at Coleman's or Cycle Sport, I can deal with it. I'll pass on buying the Battery Tender since I'm know I'm too lazy to take the battery out of the bike, charge it, keep an eye on it, put it back in when I'm ready to ride. But thanks for the suggestions. - - Ursulina 1998 Kawasaki 454 LTD *********************************************** ursulina viteri wrote: > Hi there, > > You're lucky. I rode my bike back in late December during a short > warm spell and it turned over just fine. Went to turn it on last week > and nada. Battery died. And it wasn't even a cheap battery. It was a > Yuasa (or however it's spelled.) > > I'm thinking of buying a battery from Walmart for something like $25 > bucks. Do you guys thinks it's worth the trouble? My batteries last > less than 2 years as it is. > > FYI: The bike sits outside all year around and only gets ridden > during mild to warm months and even then, that's mostly on the weekends. > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-12ef83bf-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 12:19:16 2000 Return-Path: alarix@XXXXXX Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07230 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.20.142] (sdn-ar-002dcwashP030.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.142]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03357; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:18:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003071718.JAA03357@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:12:02 -0500 Subject: Re: puppies (non moto) :D From: "Marcy" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit tell him you'll take him for a spin on the BIKE (there's that bike content ;D ) in exchange ..... (ok well, maybe not....) >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- >From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX >To: "Marcy" >Subject: Re: puppies (non moto) :D >Date: Fri, Mar 7, 1980, 2:39 AM > > Duh on me.. good idea.. of course the dog had no tags and a chewed off > rope as a former restriction, I get the idea that the owner isn't a > big spender, nor cares very much. : ) > > daniel > > On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:08:54 -0500, you wrote: > > |>maybe you could just _ask_ the owner of the other dog to pay? > |>or at least to split the cost with you .... > |> > |>>>>>>>>Marcy > |>>>>>>>>CB-1 400F > |>>>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." > |> > |>---------- > |>>From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) > |>>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > |>>Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/06/00 > |>>Date: Mon, Mar 6, 2000, 7:00 PM > |>> > |> > |>> Anyone know if I can sue the owner of the black dog, if i can find > |>> them, to pay for the puppies shots n stuff? I imagine to spend $100 > |>> on shots? I spent like $50 getting the booster shots on my > |>> rottwieller. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 12:36:10 2000 Return-Path: gil_biker@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f138.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07597 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 93026 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2000 17:35:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000307173536.93025.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.219.209.68 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:35:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.219.209.68] From: "gil biker" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HD 883XLC Sportster Custom ** FOR SALE ** Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:35:36 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello folks, I am selling my '99 Harley Davidson 883XLC Sportster Custom. It's black, 3K mi., original owner, hypercharger, HD detachable sissybar, HD screamin eagle slips-on pipe, plus extras, gar'd kept, very clean/showrm cond. If any of you or friends are interested, please reply to this email. Thanks. :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 12:44:20 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07687 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:44:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:44:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200003071244.AA281608568@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Hrmmm. where to start - Tire Plugging. X-Mailer: >>> From the mouth of an MMI instructor: >>> >>> Never put a tube in a tubeless tire. The biggest problem with advice I see like this is it seems to be contradicted daily - cruisers and other bikes with spoked wheels typically use tubes. They don't buy special "tube" tires, they just buy ordinary tires and mount them with tubes. No problem. Is there something I'm missing here? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 12:44:36 2000 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from proxy.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07696 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by proxy.mailbank.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA04049 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:43:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000307123734.00f91d18@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:37:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: Dead batteries In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:55 AM 3/7/00 -0500, ursulina viteri wrote: > I'll pass on buying the Battery Tender since I'm know I'm too lazy >to take the battery out of the bike, charge it, keep an eye on it, put >it back in when I'm ready to ride. But thanks for the suggestions. > But that's the joy of the BT. It comes with a pigtail that you attach to the battery permanently. Just leave the end of it in an easiy accessable place (under the seat, tied to a frame rail, etc.), and plug the battery tender in once a week or so (and all winter long). Only take a few seconds. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 12:54:34 2000 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net (wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.88]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07870 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23549 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2000 17:53:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000307175338.23548.qmail@wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.88 by wwcst088 for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Tue Mar 7 17:53:37 GMT 2000 Date: 7 Mar 00 12:53:37 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: RE: Dead batteries X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You fail to remember that not everyone has a garage or even a secure plac= e to leave their bikes. My bikes sit outside in a parking space. Running an electrical connection out to the bikes and leaving things plugged in is n= ot reasonable when I'm not home and outside. Enjoy your garage (I wish I had one) LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Bob Meyer Said: But that's the joy of the BT. It comes with a pigtail that you attach to= the battery permanently. Just leave the end of it in an easiy accessable place (under the seat, tied to a frame rail, etc.), and plug the battery tender in once a week or so (and all winter long). Only take a few secon= ds. ITW, = Bob Meyer = '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 13:40:26 2000 Return-Path: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08626 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:40:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000307184021.15611.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.4] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:40:21 PST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:40:21 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hrmmm. where to start - Tire Plugging. To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Except the newer BMW cruiser thing which has a tubeless tire with spoke wheels. Glenn --- Chris Norloff wrote: > >>> From the mouth of an MMI instructor: > >>> > >>> Never put a tube in a tubeless tire. > > > The biggest problem with advice I see like this is > it seems to be contradicted daily - cruisers and > other bikes with spoked wheels typically use tubes. > > > They don't buy special "tube" tires, they just buy > ordinary tires and mount them with tubes. No > problem. > > Is there something I'm missing here? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 13:48:49 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08766 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:48:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:48:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200003071348.AA394723766@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Hrmmm. where to start - Tire Plugging. X-Mailer: True. That's why I said "...bikes with spoked wheels typically use tubes" rather than say that all bikes with spoked wheels use tubes. But the question is about those bikes that DO use tubes with tubeless tires. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:40:21 -0800 (PST) >Except the newer BMW cruiser thing which has a >tubeless tire with spoke wheels. > >Glenn > >--- Chris Norloff wrote: >> >>> From the mouth of an MMI instructor: >> >>> >> >>> Never put a tube in a tubeless tire. >> >> >> The biggest problem with advice I see like this is >> it seems to be contradicted daily - cruisers and >> other bikes with spoked wheels typically use tubes. >> >> >> They don't buy special "tube" tires, they just buy >> ordinary tires and mount them with tubes. No >> problem. >> >> Is there something I'm missing here? >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 14:13:42 2000 Return-Path: Mkitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09285 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:13:53 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B4BF@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'VFR List'" Subject: DC AIDS Ride Motorcycle Crew Update Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:11:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, I have finally spoken to the Crew Chief for DC AIDS Ride. He has just started on the job, so the details are still a bit fuzzy. Here is what I know: 1. Motorcyclists will need to be in Raleigh, NC on Wed, June 21st (early afternoon). We will end up in Washington, DC on Sunday, June 24th. You have to participate in the entire trip, not just a segment. 2. All meals and living arrangements will be taken care of. Other crew members create a mini-tent city everyday, complete with hot showers and kitchens. They supply tents and all that. Obviously, motorcycle specific items and repairs will not be available, so we should plan our own stocks and repair kits. 3. Our function: For the best description, refer to the email sent by (I think) Chris Norloff to the DC Cycles list, who has ridden before. Essentially we will be escorting bycicle riders on a fundraising ride from NC to DC. As motorcycle crew our function will be to lead riders, show the way, track down lost riders, provide some interim first aid if needed, and things like that. We are not officially directing traffic, but I am sure we will be maintaining the safety of the bike riders. Also, providing moral support is key. 4. Bike riders must raise $2000 to participate, we do not (although I plan to raise what I can). However, you do need to register ($45) in order to participate as crew. Please go to www.aidsride.org register. No one is guaranteed any crew placement yet, so there is theoretically a chance that motorcycle crew could fill up. However, my contact at AIDSRIDE was very happy to hear from me and interested in a DC Cycles group. So, I would register now. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SERVING AS AIDSRIDE DC MOTORCYCLE CREW, Please Email me the following information in this format please: Name: DOB: Home Address: Work Phone: Home Phone: Email Address: Years Riding: Motorcycle you plan to use: Any medical training you have: Give me the probability that you will participate (1%-100%): You are under no obligation, I just need to know Ok, I think that is it. Please respond by Thursday of this week so I can get the list together. I think this will be a great deal of fun and a very worthwhile thing. If you like to ride, help people and meets lots of new people (in good shape too!), join us. Mark Kitchell PS: I also will be organizing some type of CPR class for those interested. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 15:46:05 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10802 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:46:04 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.43.1d0246e (4330) for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:45:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43.1d0246e.25f6c46a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:45:30 EST Subject: Arai Helmets (and helmet fit) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Uh... just read my post from last night... obviously it was the pain killers talking. The Arai Quantum series is the round-head model, and the Quantum Signet series is for us pointy-headed types. I have no idea what a Quantum Centry is, or where I came up with that name. Gotta stop using the internet on percacet. :) Also - CycleSport carries Arai at both their stores (someone asked). - B From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 16:02:26 2000 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11020 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2569 invoked by uid 48381); 7 Mar 2000 21:01:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:01:27 -0500 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Arai helmets Message-ID: <20000307160127.A2522@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.4i : Cycle Sport in Herndon has them, as well as colemans powersport in falls : church. And Coleman in Woodbridge -- Matthew Harrell To err is human, Bit Twiddlers, Inc. to purr feline. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 16:43:28 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11564 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts002d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.100] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:43:11 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: Hrmmm. where to start - Tire Plugging. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:42:06 -0700 Message-ID: <002901bf887d$fbc7ad40$30eb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] > On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Brian McCoy wrote: > > > >From the mouth of an MMI instructor: > > > [snip] > > > Never put a tube in a tubeless tire. > > Ok...why not? Tubeless tires are a saftey item. You've all seen the 'Run-flat' radials for cars, well the same is sort-of true for motorcycle radial tires. Like Gimer was saying, he only noticed a slow ait-leak with the nail in his tire... that's what a radial does when punctured (typically).. it leaks slowly. If you try to put a tube in a tubeless only tire, and you get another puncture, it'll loose air RAPIDALY.. safety issue, would you like to be on the road with a rapidly deflating tire? You can also tear the valve stem from the tube if the tire isn't locked down (it can spin on the rim), so the chances of it lasting long are slim to none. This is only for the tires and rims marked 'Tubeless application only' Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 19:54:15 2000 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15052 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12SUjr-0003pB-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 00:54:11 +0000 Received: from [168.143.218.182] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12SUjh-0003XD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 00:54:01 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:53:34 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: re: Daytona Race Report Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: From: JEM Racing > I just wrote up this quasi race report if anyone is > interested. Even though it doesn't even scratch the > surface of the the last 5 days it was too long to post > in a mail. So much happened I can't remember our > finishing orders, but you can read it here - > http://www.geocities.com/blister55/index.html > Photos will follow if any turn out well. Thanks Jonathan for this interesting report. You really described well the fear one might feel on certain parts of that track! I've worked SP many times and rode Mid-Ohio (Code's CSS) last summer - I think I'll leave Daytona for y'all :) JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 7 21:40:21 2000 Return-Path: toddbpeer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16695 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-135-76.s584.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.135.76] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12SWNb-000343-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:39:20 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Tubes in a Tubeless tire Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:38:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf88a7$6b534b00$4c87a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal From: "Brian McCoy" > -----Original Message----- > From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] > On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Brian McCoy wrote: > > > >From the mouth of an MMI instructor: > > > [snip] > > > Never put a tube in a tubeless tire. > > Ok...why not? Tubeless tires are a saftey item. You've all seen the 'Run-flat' radials for cars, well the same is sort-of true for motorcycle radial tires. Like Gimer was saying, he only noticed a slow ait-leak with the nail in his tire... that's what a radial does when punctured (typically).. it leaks slowly. If you try to put a tube in a tubeless only tire, and you get another puncture, it'll loose air RAPIDALY.. safety issue, would you like to be on the road with a rapidly deflating tire? it sounds like you are saying in addition to the original puncture, another puncture would cause a RAPID loss of air pressure. Why? If as you say, the tubless radial (D207) will only lose air slowly with a puncture, it seems like it would only lose air just a little faster with two. And that's assuming the tube puncture is fairly lined up with the tire puncture. You can also tear the valve stem from the tube if the tire isn't locked down (it can spin on the rim), so the chances of it lasting long are slim to none. Theoretically, I can see this happening...to drag bikes! How often does ones tire spin on a rim, and at such force to rip a valve stem from a tube? Really. This is only for the tires and rims marked 'Tubeless application only' There must be a better explanation as to why tubes aren't allowed into tubeless application tires. My best guess would follow Dale Horstmans suggestion that the plys are just to rough for a safe application. Todd (not afraid of the 'big bad plug') From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 02:29:14 2000 Return-Path: alarix@XXXXXX Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA21855 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 02:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.133.21.31] (sdn-ar-003dcwashP023.dialsprint.net [206.133.21.31]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20217 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:29:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003080729.XAA20217@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 02:21:29 -0500 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/07/00 From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ummm wouldn't all these tests mean it was too BIG? :D >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/07/00 >Date: Tue, Mar 7, 2000, 7:00 PM > > Basic test: > > 1) Put Helmet on :) > > 2) Reach over your head, grasp the bottom edge of the back of the helmet and > pull forward (you're trying to rip it off your head). If you can get the that > lower edge past the base of your skull, it's too small. > > 2) Try twisting the helmet on your head. Are you now staring at the inside > lining with one of your eyes? Too small. > > 3) Shake your head, doing your best impression of a (clothes) washing > machine. Does the helmet move? Too small. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 02:32:41 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA21931 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 02:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts002d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.100] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:32:33 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: For Mr. Norloff... tube/tubeless tires Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:31:33 -0700 Message-ID: <003801bf88d0$543640c0$30eb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal > From: "Chris Norloff" >>> From the mouth of an MMI instructor: >>> >>> Never put a tube in a tubeless tire. > The biggest problem with advice I see like this is it seems to be contradicted daily - > cruisers and other bikes with spoked wheels typically use tubes. > They don't buy special "tube" tires, they just buy ordinary tires and mount them with tubes. > No problem. > Is there something I'm missing here? You mean besides the fact I didn't word it correctly? *grin* Never put a tube in a RIM marked for tubless tires. You'll notice that those bikes that do use tubes in the tires generally have rim locks on them (to hold the tire and keep it from spinning). You'll also notice that (most of the time, there are always exceptions) modern sport rubber won't be found on rims that use tubes (they're not designed for that purpose). Usually, DOT approved tires are tube/tubeless applicibale.. and those are your 'ordinary' tires... or you'll see the tubeless only tires (207s, BT56ss, Azzaro, etc..) And you can't go by spoke or mag wheels.. I've seen spoked wheels running tubeless tires, and I've seen mag wheels (old BMW stuff) that needed tubes (really porous material). Anyway... I'm on to 'machine shop'... and snoozing already. 10 hours in class, and maybe 3 hours of instruction so-far... I'm beginning to see more and more waste of my time and money here at MMI. joy. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 05:48:08 2000 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA25830 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 05:48:07 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id u.27.2ab4079 (4323); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 05:44:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <27.2ab4079.25f788ef@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 05:43:59 EST Subject: **HANDLE BARS & BRAKE EXTENDER** To: Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Greetings! I've decided that my bike needs to be ergonomically correct. That means new handlebars & a brake extender. I'm not sure what to bo looking for or who to ask about fabricating a brake extender since they are not offered by Yamaha or after market. Any suggestions? Thanks, Lee From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 06:04:11 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA26071 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17669 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:04:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:04:07 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: For Mr. Norloff... tube/tubeless tires In-Reply-To: <003801bf88d0$543640c0$30eb9bcf@tra> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Brian McCoy wrote: > You'll notice that those bikes that do use tubes in the tires generally > have rim locks on them (to hold the tire and keep it from > spinning). I've never seen rimlocks on anything but dirt bikes where low tire pressures (I run 10-14 lbs) and the need for significantly more sudden acceleration than street bikes (to clear a log that "suddenly" appears, to go from almost 0 mph in a corner to clearing a triple jump, etc). A quick perusal of some company websites (HD, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki) and I don't see rimlocks on any street bikes. You won't see rimlocks on the big dualsports either... > I'm beginning to see more and more waste of my time and money here at > MMI. joy. I don't think you're the only one... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 06:24:15 2000 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA26370 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:24:14 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id k.c9.1f46ae4 (3864); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:23:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:23:08 EST Subject: Re: For Mr. Norloff... tube/tubeless tires To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/8/00 6:06:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << I've never seen rimlocks on anything but dirt bikes where low tire pressures (I run 10-14 lbs) and the need for significantly more sudden acceleration than street bikes >> All higher power British/Italian street bikes in the tube/spoke wheel days had rim locks. My Norton does now. Seem to recall my H-1 and CB-750 had them too. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 06:31:27 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA26501 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA19576 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:31:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:31:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: For Mr. Norloff... tube/tubeless tires In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > << I've never seen rimlocks on anything but dirt bikes where low tire > pressures (I run 10-14 lbs) and the need for significantly more sudden > acceleration than street bikes >> > > All higher power British/Italian street bikes in the tube/spoke wheel > days had rim locks. My Norton does now. Seem to recall my H-1 and > CB-750 had them too. There probably aren't too many higher power bikes with tube/spoke wheels any more (and, being fairly young, I haven't see a whole lot of these bikes). Hence my experience. Curiosity, are these big heavy rimlocks like dirtbikes use or some smaller variation? Just one lock per wheel? What was done for balancing? Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 07:13:32 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27086 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-238.patriot.net [209.249.180.238]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA20031; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:13:24 -0500 Message-ID: <38C64345.CE0A55FD@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 07:10:45 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: For Mr. Norloff... tube/tubeless tires References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Big mo'fo' wieghts attached to the spokes on street bikes - Norton, BSA, Truimph, etc - but I've never seen balance wieghts on a dirter. Bill > There probably aren't too many higher power bikes with tube/spoke wheels > any more (and, being fairly young, I haven't see a whole lot of > these bikes). Hence my experience. Curiosity, are these big heavy > rimlocks like dirtbikes use or some smaller variation? Just one lock per > wheel? What was done for balancing? > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 08:05:41 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28392 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:05:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:05:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200003080805.AA169673332@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: **HANDLE BARS & BRAKE EXTENDER** X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX >Greetings! I've decided that my bike needs to be ergonomically correct. >That means new handlebars & a brake extender. I'm not sure what to bo >looking for or who to ask about fabricating a brake extender since they are >not offered by Yamaha or after market. What's a brake extender? If you want a longer brake hose to reach the master cylinder, a race shop should be able to fix you up quickly. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 08:24:21 2000 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28629 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (dialup44.megapipe.net [208.218.73.44]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA05883; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:22:33 -0500 Message-ID: <005b01bf8900$6291f080$0100a8c0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" References: <000001bf88a7$6b534b00$4c87a4d8@todd> Subject: Re: Tubes in a Tubeless tire Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:11:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 CJ spun the rear tire on the TL about half a turn. It can happen. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" > > Theoretically, I can see this happening...to drag bikes! How often does > ones tire spin on a rim, and at such force to rip a valve stem from a tube? > Really. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 08:56:10 2000 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from bastion2.mail.sprint.com (bastion2.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29057 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion2.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:55:25 -0600 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:55:24 -0600 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA26356 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:55:23 -0600 (CST) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA00281 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:55:23 -0500 (EST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:55:22 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: dead batteries TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-12fa3a16-00000001" --openmail-part-12fa3a16-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, same here. No garage to store the bike so no nearby outlet to plug the Battery Tender in. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD ************************************************** Date: 7 Mar 00 12:53:37 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: RE: Dead batteries You fail to remember that not everyone has a garage or even a secure place to leave their bikes. My bikes sit outside in a parking space. Running an electrical connection out to the bikes and leaving things plugged in is not reasonable when I'm not home and outside. Enjoy your garage (I wish I had one) LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Bob Meyer Said: But that's the joy of the BT. It comes with a pigtail that you attach to the battery permanently. Just leave the end of it in an easiy accessable place (under the seat, tied to a frame rail, etc.), and plug the battery tender in once a week or so (and all winter long). Only take a few seconds. ITW, = Bob Meyer = '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 --openmail-part-12fa3a16-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 09:38:58 2000 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01003 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA24212 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:40:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000308094154.007a87e0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 09:41:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: About those envious looks... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:45:56 +0000 To: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: About those envious looks.. LOL, I know what you mean! I got one of the best responses EVER yesterday as I was waiting at a light. A Mom in a station wagon with her two daughters was idling next to me. All of a sudden, the older of the two daughters - maybe around 10 - yells to me with a huge smile on her face and a thumbs-up sign, "Girl power!" I just about died. : ) The Mom nodded and smiled, and the other girl waved with a huge grin on her face. I said, "There aren't too many of us out now, but by the time you're my age we'll be everywhere!" LOL Girl power is right. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 I have had this happen to me a few times except it is that it seems like I get a different ending to the story each and every time. Similar start, I will be at the light, the whole family in the mini-van next to me will be waving. Light turns green they will either attempt a u-turn on top of me and my bike or take the turn wide nearly killing me in the process. This has happened to me more than once. I am now at the point where if mom and kids in a mini-van wanve to me and acknowledge my presence I punch it off the light to get away. Lisa From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 09:43:31 2000 Return-Path: stevesumner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01101 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-133-76.s76.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.76] helo=default) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Shfs-0002pG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: <008e01bf8914$1fbe9c40$4c85a4d8@default> From: "steve sumner" To: Subject: Please remove me from your list Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:36:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01BF88E1.D0FB1C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01BF88E1.D0FB1C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My address is stevesumner@XXXXXX. 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------=_NextPart_000_0085_01BF88E1.D0FB1C00-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 09:49:05 2000 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from bastion3.mail.sprint.com (bastion3.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01217 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion3.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:48:24 -0600 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:48:21 -0600 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17494 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:48:21 -0600 (CST) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25158 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:48:19 -0500 (EST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:48:19 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: AIDS ride motorcycle crew tid-bits (LONG) TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-12fb5158-00000001" --openmail-part-12fb5158-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline A few tid-bits from me, someone that participated as an AIDS ride motorcycle escort last year. I'm not trying to take anything away from Mark's message, but I do want to make a few comments. 1. The AIDS ride folks would PREFER that you complete the whole trip, but I know from experience that you can miss a day and join up later. I did. I slipped out while we were camped in Richmond and headed home to meet up with my brother that drove up from Georgia for the weekend. I visited with him for the day and then joined up with the moto crew again the next morning. Remember, you're a volunteer so take everything in stride. 2. Except for the first night at a hotel (be prepared to pay your part $), you will be sleeping in tents so prepare for that and all possible weather conditions. Bring your rain suit. One afternoon we were rained on for an hour or two. If you don't have a rain suit, Walmart sells a decent 2-piece in the sporting goods dept for about $6 or $7. Oh yeah, and be prepared for long lines for food and a shower. At least the food was good and the hot shower felt GREAT! 3. The moto crew's first priority is to provide safe passage for the bicyclists. We don't lead them since the roads are well marked and all bicyclists have a map. Your priority mission is to help with traffic control in busy or dangerous intersections. And be prepared to be a traffic cop, stopping traffic and all to let the bicyclists continue peddling. I know the folks at the AIDS Ride headquarters say not to stop traffic, but you will HAVE to at times. Trust me. ** Bring your bungee cords and be sure your bike is capable of carrying at least 2 or 3 gallon jugs of water. You'll need to help keep the bicyclists and yourself well hydrated. ** I'll add one last note but please don't flame me because of it - it's just an observation. Be sure you're comfortable being around folks with openly alternative lifestyles. All in all, being a motorcycle crew member during last year's AIDS ride was a very rewarding experience, especially at the closing ceremonies. Not a dry eye was to be found. So much hard work and dedication from so many folks from so many different backgrounds brought together to raise money and awareness for an incredible cause. Lots of work but very satisfying. I won't be riding this year as I've got alot going on this summer. A July wedding to plan (Mine!), a house to get built and a new job to find in Central Virginia. My well wishes and support goes out to all DC Cyclers that participate in this year's ride. GO MOTO CREW 2000!!!! - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD 1999 AIDS Ride moto crew member *********************************************** From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'VFR List'" Subject: DC AIDS Ride Motorcycle Crew Update Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:11:06 -0500 Ok, I have finally spoken to the Crew Chief for DC AIDS Ride. He has just started on the job, so the details are still a bit fuzzy. Here is what I know: 1. Motorcyclists will need to be in Raleigh, NC on Wed, June 21st (early afternoon). We will end up in Washington, DC on Sunday, June 24th. You have to participate in the entire trip, not just a segment. 2. All meals and living arrangements will be taken care of. Other crew members create a mini-tent city everyday, complete with hot showers and kitchens. They supply tents and all that. Obviously, motorcycle specific items and repairs will not be available, so we should plan our own stocks and repair kits. 3. Our function: For the best description, refer to the email sent by (I think) Chris Norloff to the DC Cycles list, who has ridden before. Essentially we will be escorting bycicle riders on a fundraising ride from NC to DC. As motorcycle crew our function will be to lead riders, show the way, track down lost riders, provide some interim first aid if needed, and things like that. We are not officially directing traffic, but I am sure we will be maintaining the safety of the bike riders. Also, providing moral support is key. 4. Bike riders must raise $2000 to participate, we do not (although I plan to raise what I can). However, you do need to register ($45) in order to participate as crew. Please go to www.aidsride.org register. --openmail-part-12fb5158-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 10:13:59 2000 Return-Path: Mkitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03855 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:14:10 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B4CF@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'ursulina viteri'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AIDS ride motorcycle crew tid-bits (LONG) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:11:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the input Ursulina. All input from AIDS Ride vets is appreciated. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: ursulina viteri [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 9:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: AIDS ride motorcycle crew tid-bits (LONG) > > A few tid-bits from me, someone that participated as an AIDS ride > motorcycle escort last year. I'm not trying to take anything away from > Mark's message, but I do want to make a few comments. > > 1. The AIDS ride folks would PREFER that you complete the whole trip, > but I know from experience that you can miss a day and join up later. I > did. I slipped out while we were camped in Richmond and headed home to > meet up with my brother that drove up from Georgia for the weekend. I > visited with him for the day and then joined up with the moto crew again > the next morning. Remember, you're a volunteer so take everything in > stride. > > 2. Except for the first night at a hotel (be prepared to pay your part > $), you will be sleeping in tents so prepare for that and all possible > weather conditions. Bring your rain suit. One afternoon we were rained > on for an hour or two. If you don't have a rain suit, Walmart sells a > decent 2-piece in the sporting goods dept for about $6 or $7. Oh yeah, > and be prepared for long lines for food and a shower. At least the food > was good and the hot shower felt GREAT! > > 3. The moto crew's first priority is to provide safe passage for the > bicyclists. We don't lead them since the roads are well marked and all > bicyclists have a map. Your priority mission is to help with traffic > control in busy or dangerous intersections. And be prepared to be a > traffic cop, stopping traffic and all to let the bicyclists continue > peddling. I know the folks at the AIDS Ride headquarters say not to > stop traffic, but you will HAVE to at times. Trust me. > > ** Bring your bungee cords and be sure your bike is capable of carrying > at least 2 or 3 gallon jugs of water. You'll need to help keep the > bicyclists and yourself well hydrated. > > ** I'll add one last note but please don't flame me because of it - > it's just an observation. Be sure you're comfortable being around folks > with openly alternative lifestyles. > > All in all, being a motorcycle crew member during last year's AIDS ride > was a very rewarding experience, especially at the closing ceremonies. > Not a dry eye was to be found. So much hard work and dedication from so > many folks from so many different backgrounds brought together to raise > money and awareness for an incredible cause. Lots of work but very > satisfying. > > I won't be riding this year as I've got alot going on this summer. A > July wedding to plan (Mine!), a house to get built and a new job to find > in Central Virginia. My well wishes and support goes out to all DC > Cyclers that participate in this year's ride. GO MOTO CREW 2000!!!! > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD > 1999 AIDS Ride moto crew member > *********************************************** > From: Mark Kitchell > To: "'DC Cycles'" , > "'VFR List'" > > Subject: DC AIDS Ride Motorcycle Crew Update > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:11:06 -0500 > > Ok, I have finally spoken to the Crew Chief for DC AIDS Ride. He has > just > started on the job, so the details are still a bit fuzzy. > > Here is what I know: > > 1. Motorcyclists will need to be in Raleigh, NC on Wed, June 21st (early > afternoon). We will end up in Washington, DC on Sunday, June 24th. You > have to participate in the entire trip, not just a segment. > > 2. All meals and living arrangements will be taken care of. Other crew > members create a mini-tent city everyday, complete with hot showers and > kitchens. They supply tents and all that. Obviously, motorcycle > specific > items and repairs will not be available, so we should plan our own > stocks > and repair kits. > > 3. Our function: For the best description, refer to the email sent by (I > think) Chris Norloff to the DC Cycles list, who has ridden before. > Essentially we will be escorting bycicle riders on a fundraising ride > from > NC to DC. As motorcycle crew our function will be to lead riders, show > the > way, track down lost riders, provide some interim first aid if needed, > and > things like that. We are not officially directing traffic, but I am > sure we > will be maintaining the safety of the bike riders. Also, providing > moral > support is key. > > 4. Bike riders must raise $2000 to participate, we do not (although I > plan > to raise what I can). However, you do need to register ($45) in order > to > participate as crew. Please go to www.aidsride.org register. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 11:10:12 2000 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13319 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA06265; Wed, 8 Mar 1972 11:13:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1972 11:13:49 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Boiade@XXXXXX cc: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: For Mr. Norloff... tube/tubeless tires In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Also at least some of the bigger KZ Kawasakis from late 70s--early 80s. They used 2 rimlocks, 180 degress apart. On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/8/00 6:06:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX > writes: > > << I've never seen rimlocks on anything but dirt bikes where low tire > pressures (I run 10-14 lbs) and the need for significantly more sudden > acceleration than street bikes >> > > All higher power British/Italian street bikes in the tube/spoke wheel days > had rim locks. My Norton does now. Seem to recall my H-1 and CB-750 had them > too. > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 11:11:23 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13428 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16473 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18433 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27653 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:38 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000308110903.00c64b60@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:10:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Lunchtime Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone up for a lunchtime ride staying close to Reston? I'm at South Lakes and Sunrise Valley...2 blocks from Wiehle. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 11:13:06 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13860 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12Sj4R-00014A-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:12:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:12:31 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fuel leak question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A coworker has a 80 XS1100 which is leaking gas from the left petcock (it has two petcocks). When we removed the hoses from the petcock and opened teh tank the fuel leak seemed to stop. After reconnecting the hoses and closing the thank we could hear a gurgling noise from the gas cap as it souned like it was sucking in air and the leak resumed not long afterward. The gasket around the gas cap is not in very good shape. The tank was recently off the bike and this wasn't a problem before the removal. Any ideas? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 11:17:59 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14803 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:17:57 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id f.9d.2c312f4 (9819); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:17:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9d.2c312f4.25f7d70d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:17:17 EST Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/07/00 To: alarix@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/8/00 2:31:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, alarix@XXXXXX writes: > ummm wouldn't all these tests mean it was too BIG? :D LOL... I should have read this post too. Of course, it means the helmet is too big (or your head is too small) in the cases I listed. I've been taking some really nasty (or good... depending on your point of view) pain killers for my stomach probs, and I obviously need to not post anything after taking them... Sorry, - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 11:38:15 2000 Return-Path: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com ([204.71.203.96]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17348 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:37:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000308163639.15816.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:36:39 PST Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:36:39 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Please remove me from your list To: steve sumner , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steve, go to the web page http://www.dc-cycles.org and follow the instructions to get un-subscribed. Sending it to the list is not the way to do it. Glenn --- steve sumner wrote: > My address is stevesumner@XXXXXX. Please > remove me. Thanx. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 11:56:21 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18660 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16786 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03159 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27816 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:56:00 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000308115220.00c43550@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:55:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Snow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It is with great frustration that I check the National Weather Service forecast each day. They consistently predict the weather correctly about 5% of the time. So it is with great pleasure that I pass along this Washington Post article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29365-2000Mar7.html Where exactly are our tax dollars going within NWS? My home barometer gives me better information than they do. If there are any NWS employees on the list - please change jobs to something more productive, such as moving sand from one pile to another in the desert. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 12:09:22 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18960 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16860 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f28.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.28]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA07655 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31218 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2000 17:09:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000308170901.31217.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.89.183 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 09:09:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.183] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lunchtime Ride Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:09:01 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm on Sunrise Valley (12007). What time were you thinking of leaving? Razz 78 KZ650 83 LTD440 99 ZX9R ->Anyone up for a lunchtime ride staying close to Reston? I'm at >South Lakes >and Sunrise Valley...2 blocks from Wiehle. > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 12:14:21 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19056 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA01563 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:14:02 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:00:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF88F5.F5CBC340.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: race broadcast Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:00:55 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought I'd pass this on if anyone isn't on the DC Crowbar mailing list: Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA Steve Zarpas, owner of the Crow Bar in DC invites you to watch the motorcycle race of the year in his new place DAYTONA 200 Sunday March 12 Pre Race 5:30pm Race starts 6:00pm Gator Tooth drink Specials Sign up for Track Days at Summit Point Revolution Coffee Lounge 724 Pine St Herndon, VA 20170 703.689.0099 for more info http://www.revolutioncoffeelounge.com/daytona.html DIRECTIONS: >From DC: *Take Route 66 West *Follow signs for Route 267 *Dulles Toll Road (local lanes) *Take Dulles Toll Road (local lanes) *Get off at Exit for Route 657 Herndon/Chantilly *Proceed thru toll booth and bear right onto Elden St. *Proceed down Elden St. for approx. 2 * miles *Turn left onto Station St/Spring St. *Turn right onto Pine St. >From 495: *Take Exit for Route 267 Dulles Toll Road (local lanes) *Get off at Exit for Route 657 Herndon/Chantilly *Proceed thru toll booth and bear right onto Elden St. *Proceed down Elden St. for approx. 2 * miles *Turn left onto Station/Spring St. *Turn right onto Pine St. Bike parking will be in front of the building. for more directions go to http://www.revolutioncoffeelounge.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 15:03:41 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21814 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: AMA/WSB at Laguna Seca Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:03:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone on the list thinking about heading out to sunny California for the AMA Superbike & World Superbike races in July? I'm thinking about flying out and renting a car (of all things). My regular riding friends seem to think that Dewey Beach is somehow more desirable. Shows how much they know! (Chas & Par I'm talking about YOU) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 15:12:27 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22001 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA12116 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12SmV9-00064s-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:52:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:52:17 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: race broadcast In-Reply-To: <01BF88F5.F5CBC340.bernescut@ncea.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone been to the Revolution Coffee Lounge? Does it serve anything tastier then coffee (preferably with little bubbles in it)? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 15:12:31 2000 Return-Path: Mkitchell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22003 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA10785 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:39:22 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B4DD@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'bernescut@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: race broadcast Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:36:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Has anyone been to the new place? Herndon is not the ideal place for Crow Bar II. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [SMTP:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:01 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: race broadcast > > I thought I'd pass this on if anyone isn't on the DC Crowbar mailing list: > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > Steve Zarpas, owner of the Crow Bar in DC > invites you to watch the motorcycle race of the year > in his new place > > DAYTONA 200 > Sunday March 12 > > Pre Race 5:30pm > Race starts 6:00pm > > Gator Tooth drink Specials > Sign up for Track Days at Summit Point > > Revolution Coffee Lounge > 724 Pine St > Herndon, VA 20170 > > 703.689.0099 for more info > http://www.revolutioncoffeelounge.com/daytona.html > > > DIRECTIONS: > >From DC: > *Take Route 66 West > *Follow signs for Route 267 > *Dulles Toll Road (local lanes) > *Take Dulles Toll Road (local lanes) > *Get off at Exit for Route 657 Herndon/Chantilly > *Proceed thru toll booth and bear right onto Elden St. > *Proceed down Elden St. for approx. 2 * miles > *Turn left onto Station St/Spring St. > *Turn right onto Pine St. > > >From 495: > *Take Exit for Route 267 Dulles Toll Road (local lanes) > *Get off at Exit for Route 657 Herndon/Chantilly > *Proceed thru toll booth and bear right onto Elden St. > *Proceed down Elden St. for approx. 2 * miles > *Turn left onto Station/Spring St. > *Turn right onto Pine St. > > Bike parking will be in front of the building. > for more directions go to > http://www.revolutioncoffeelounge.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 15:20:40 2000 Return-Path: Mkitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22155 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:20:54 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B4E7@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Weaver, Chris_(MD)'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: AMA/WSB at Laguna Seca Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:18:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain well you CAN ride to Dewey (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: Weaver, Chris_(MD) [SMTP:CWeaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 3:03 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: AMA/WSB at Laguna Seca > > Anyone on the list thinking about heading out to sunny California for the > AMA Superbike & World Superbike races in July? I'm thinking about flying > out > and renting a car (of all things). > > My regular riding friends seem to think that Dewey Beach is somehow more > desirable. Shows how much they know! (Chas & Par I'm talking about YOU) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 16:28:07 2000 Return-Path: Mkitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23230 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:28:08 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B4EE@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Cap 1000 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:25:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Has anyone tried to register or heard anything? I sent my check in a month ago and have heard nothing. It hasn't even been cashed. Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 18:52:31 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29429 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:52:30 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.7b.2061beb (4403); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:51:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7b.2061beb.25f84199@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:51:53 EST Subject: Re: AMA/WSB at Laguna Seca To: CWeaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 In a message dated 3/8/2000 3:06:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone on the list thinking about heading out to sunny California for the AMA Superbike & World Superbike races in July? I'm thinking about flying out and renting a car (of all things). My regular riding friends seem to think that Dewey Beach is somehow more desirable. Shows how much they know! (Chas & Par I'm talking about YOU) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 >> Yep. I'll be flying out on Thursday and coming back Sunday night/Monday morning. I'm meeting up with a bunch of guys from the other motorcycle e-mail list I'm on. Already have my race tickets paid for and we have booked a block of rooms in Monterey about 10 minutes from the track. I don't think we've filled them up yet and I think I might have my own room. Everyone else is bringing their significant other. I'll drop the organizer a line and find out, if you want to split the cost of the room. I won't be renting a car. One of the other guys is doing that and I'm splitting the cost. When are you planning on going? Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 8 19:55:15 2000 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00549 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [216.67.8.232] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A66E95100204; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:55:10 -0500 Message-ID: <38C6F644.3B91F79B@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:54:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Rider List Subject: Daytona! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Tracy and I are headed to Trailer Week tomorrow morning. We'll be camping with the LDriders at Bulow and doing the IBA Pizza Party on Friday and the COG breakfast on Saturday, amongst other things. Take care, y'all. We'll be back online Monday. Ride safe! Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 9 00:20:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e295Kde06911 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16832 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2000 05:20:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000309052036.16831.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:20:36 PST Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:20:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: tube in tubless tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well... on my old GSXR and on the 97 race GSXR (which is bone stock) I've noticed that the tire has spun on the rim before... moreso on the race bike... but spun nonetheless...don't think I have to worry bout it on the bandit though :) Some very interesting patterns and colors on the lips of the tires after taking them off... Collin Todd wrote: Theoretically, I can see this happening...to drag bikes! How often does ones tire spin on a rim, and at such force to rip a valve stem from a tube? Really. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 9 05:42:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e29Agde12125 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 05:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 09 Mar 2000 02:44:38 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 02:42:06 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.186 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 09 Mar 2000 02:44:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: on topic, off topic, on topic, puppies, dogs, and jetting WAS Re: FW: Fun Day at 211 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:44:03 GMT Message-ID: <38c9a98c.292824867@eriss.com> References: <20000306191148.6996.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000306191148.6996.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e29Agre12126 On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:11:48 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>The previous owner should be re-contacted and asked |>specifically whether the bike has a jet-kit installed |>in it. His answer seems to indicate that it does, but |>that it wasn't set up properly. Will do. |>Anybody know a tuner in Manassas with the last name |>Antonelli? I have a gift from dog-poo.com I need to |>get to him. LOL |>Daniel: does the bike have an aftermarket exhaust |>installed? is it a full system? what brand of jet |>kit is potentially installed? When you have answers |>to these questions, you can then ask for some help |>with setting up the carbs correctly....either from the |>list or from the manufacturer of the jet kit. Just |>becoming familiar with this area myself. I can tell |>you one thing for certain....if you've got a full |>aftermarket exhaust system on that ZX6R and it hasn't |>been re-jetted, it ain't runnin like it should be. it seems to run good to me. it has a micron pipe, and the piping to the can appears to be larger than stock & most bikes on the street. it's black, if that is any indication of anything. Also sometimes my bike seems like it's flooded after I run it hard hard, turn it off.. then try to start it up a minute or (few) later. Is that an indication of it running rich? I'm not getting any excessive soot (or any at all?) that I know of. does this sound like a full exhaust system? Probably jetted, but not "perfectly" but good enough to make the bike preform well.. and a little rich? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 9 05:54:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e29AsGe12261 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 05:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 09 Mar 2000 02:39:45 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 02:37:12 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.186 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 09 Mar 2000 02:39:41 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fuel leak question Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:39:07 GMT Message-ID: <38c79c2e.289401930@eriss.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e29AsJe12262 I'm not familiar with said bike but I understand tank theory in general. Said bike obviously differs from mine. I would say it's either one of two things, the gas tank was improperly reconnected or the vent line inside the tank has some type of rupture. If ruptured, either replace the tank or create a new air vent line like you see on the top of suzuki gsxr's. We could further deduce the problem with more details, but for now i'll let you know what i'm thinking, and ask my questions at the bottom. The bike has to have atleast 2 gas lines, one for, reserve and one for on. The bike has to have atleast one vent line. I wouldn't worry about the seal on top of the gas tank too much unless the bike was leaking gas while leaning through a curve. If there is an on/off only petcock, then i'd wager that petcock is to cut off the vent line so that vacum keeps the gas from leaving the tank. If it were leaking, I would think either the vent line inside the tank is ruptured, or a gas line was wrongly hooked to it instead of the vent line. If gas isn't leaking out of a vent line, then I would say the tank was improperly reconnected, with where the lines go. Where exactly is the leak coming from, a hole where a hose is supposed to go, a hose that connects to nothing, or through a hose and it's connecting location? Does the bike run normally or under riding-acceleration does it feel choppy, and/or like it bogs down at first? Are the petcock's labeled? If so what are they labeled? on/off/reserve ? or just a combination of the two ( and if so what is labeled on each one?) Also how many lines are hooked up to the gas tank? 3? 4? are all the lines the same size? or is/are the vent line(s) a different size therefore probably not connected wrong? Daniel On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:12:31 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |> |> A coworker has a 80 XS1100 which is leaking gas from |>the left petcock (it has two petcocks). When we removed the |>hoses from the petcock and opened teh tank the fuel leak seemed |>to stop. After reconnecting the hoses and closing the thank we |>could hear a gurgling noise from the gas cap as it souned like |>it was sucking in air and the leak resumed not long afterward. |>The gasket around the gas cap is not in very good shape. The |>tank was recently off the bike and this wasn't a problem before |>the removal. Any ideas? |> |>---------------------------------------------------------------- |>Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI |>---------------------------------------------------------------- |> From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 9 07:31:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e29CVke13584 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA33876 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:23:42 -0600 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id HAA25950 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:31:43 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525689D.0044CED5 ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:31:33 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525689D.0044CD0D.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:31:27 -0500 Subject: Lock up yer rims Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Kirk wrote... >I've never seen rimlocks on anything but dirt bikes where low tire >pressures (I run 10-14 lbs) and the need for significantly more sudden >acceleration than street bikes (to clear a log that "suddenly" appears, to >go from almost 0 mph in a corner to clearing a triple jump, etc). A quick >perusal of some company websites (HD, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki) and I don't >see rimlocks on any street bikes. You won't see rimlocks on the big >dualsports either... I've got rim locks on my Bonneville. Not popular with the guy that mounts the tires. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 9 07:47:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e29Clee13888 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA19666 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:47:37 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA33994 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:39:32 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id HAA66018 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:46:16 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525689D.0046234E ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:46:05 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525689D.00461D9E.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:45:48 -0500 Subject: Crow Bar II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Mark wrote... >Has anyone been to the new place? Herndon is not the ideal place for >Crow Bar II. Perhaps not, but at least it's closer to me! Besides, Herndon needs more bikers. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 9 13:28:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e29IS1e19381 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24788 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06546 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04304; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:27:33 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000309132650.00c44ab0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:27:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfR@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Ouch! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Arsonists Torch Three Dozen Motorcycles MACAU (Reuters) - Arsonists in Macau set fire to 39 motorcycles Thursday in the worst such case since the gambling enclave's return to Chinese rule in December. The attackers torched the bikes in a densely populated maze of narrow lanes in Macau's inner harbor before dawn on Thursday, waking dozens of residents who fled homes choked by thick black smoke. No injuries were reported. Police sources said the attacks were possibly carried out by young triad members in an attempt to impress their bosses or to create an atmosphere of terror among the neighborhood's residents. It was the third in a string of arson attacks since Macau's handover to China from Portuguese rule on December 19. The enclave was rocked by a bloody turf war in the years leading up the handover between rival gangs fighting over illicit businesses on the fringes of the gaming industry. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 9 13:54:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e29Is3e19756 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:53:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Oh Hell It's Ohio Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:53:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Bill Huson complained, "Oh Hell It's Ohio - 40 thousand square miles of plowed flat cow poopy :-)" & Hugh A. Caldwell retorted, " The roads between D.C. and Mid-Ohio kick some serious effing ass! The VFR list is also setting up a "Center of the Universe"(COTU) ride for late April in southeast Ohio which could forever change your opinion of Ohio. Well, at least the part that's close to West "By God" Virginia Gotta add an amen to BeGeek's comment. Southeast Ohio "the Alps of Ohio" has some really nifty roads. Then there's the Hocking Hills area. And getting there can be oh-so-fun. Route 7 from Morgantown to the river is kinda cute for cruisin'. For cheap biker-friendly accommodations, use the Aldeco in New Matamoras, Ohio. $25 single and you can pull your motorcycle up beneath the overhang. Carl in Bethesda (WRMT published my article in the April-May issue!!!) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 9 23:12:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2A4Cae27626 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.3e.199fd96 (4013) for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:12:19 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3e.199fd96.25f9d022@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:12:18 EST Subject: Nice quick little ride :-) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Welp, since I had to work today (they'd know what I was doing if I played hooky) I decided to wait until this evening and take a quick ride. Just enough to feel the wind in my face, figuratively speaking that is, and put a few more miles on the new bike to reach the break-in mark. ;-) Headed out towards Potomac Mills. I figured there wouldn't be much traffic this time of night and it would be quick. ;-) Got there and did my turn-around. Drat! The HOV gates are still down. I guess the DOT truck hasn't made it through to switch them yet. Stay a couple miles with the few cages and semi's on the road, (did I mention I hate semi's) and guess what I saw? Yep. You guessed it. The DOT truck coming the other way in the HOV lanes. I spot the next HOV on-ramp and YES, it's open for business. :-D None of the cages spotted it so, I took advantage. Twenty beautiful, tucked-in, 80+mph, no cages in site, miles all the way back into town. THAT'S the way to end a ride. I think they should change the HOV's to motorcycles only all the time. What do you guys and gals think? Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) 466 miles down, 134 to go. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 04:51:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2A9pOe02855 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts007d09.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.237.69] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:51:17 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Anyone want a cheap Ducati? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:49:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bf8a75$f3a5a870$45ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 1990 ducati 906 paso 906 paso, light damage on right side. always garage kept.must sell $2,500.00, (301) 759-3971 Location: Cumberland, MD Granted, it's a Paso (looks like a first generation CBR600 - all shrouded in plastic, considered the Katana of Ducatis)... but it's also a Ducati.... *grin* Looks like a pretty good deal to me.. but I'm also drunk on Rum and Cokes.. *grin* Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 08:30:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2ADUke06518 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29978 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:22:39 -0600 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id IAA62848 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:30:40 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525689E.004A36E4 ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:30:37 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525689E.004A35F2.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:30:31 -0500 Subject: Viper vs. sportbike article Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I remember a while back someone was talking about a magazine (Motor Trend? Car & Driver? ) article where they ran a Viper against a sportbike (R1?) on a road course. Does anyone remember that? I think the Viper blew up after 10 laps or so. Do any of y'all know what magazine that was in, and/or where I could find a copy of that article? Thanks in advance, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 08:49:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2ADnQe06703 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04860; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <1V5V2S7V>; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:51:17 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D1307@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Nice quick little ride :-) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:51:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) you've got your first acolyte. >it so, I took advantage. Twenty beautiful, tucked-in, 80+mph, no cages in >site, miles all the way back into town. THAT'S the way to end a ride. I >think they should change the HOV's to motorcycles only all the time. What do >you guys and gals think? Can I get an amen, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 08:55:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2ADt3e06774 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:55:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000310135537.26889.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.4] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:55:37 PST Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:55:37 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Viper vs. sportbike article To: rcrishoc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Correct me if I'm wrong but they did it against a YZF1000. Funny thing is the viper beat the bike in a bunch of areas that cars have never been able to do before. Some mags have talked about re-doing the test with a more modern bike such as an R1. Oh and they had to shave the tires of viper. Glenn --- rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I remember a while back someone was talking about a > magazine (Motor Trend? > Car & Driver? ) article where they ran a Viper > against a sportbike (R1?) on > a road course. Does anyone remember that? I think > the Viper blew up after > 10 laps or so. Do any of y'all know what magazine > that was in, and/or > where I could find a copy of that article? > > Thanks in advance, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > Sterling > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 09:11:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AEBJe06972 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 10 Mar 2000 09:10:33 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Viper vs. sportbike article Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:14:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Yep, it was a YZF1000 (non R1) and was soundly spanked by the Viper. Of course, the viper used a couple of grand worth of tires and blew up after 3 laps on the track. The whiney cycle world author blamed dirty track and roads. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but different versions of the article appeared in both car & driver (or was it R&T) and cycle world. It was a follow up to a NSX vs. RR article from a few years earlier where the RR killed the NSX in all categories. I think that article was back in '97 (the then new YZF1K). Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 09:16:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AEGCe07097 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05166 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <1V5V2S01>; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:18:04 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D130A@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Upperville lunch quest Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:18:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey fellow Virginian riders, No, I said Virginian. Does Upperville have any fun places to eat lunch? Has anyone done the round trip from Herndon to Upperville with any time estimates to offer? How is route 50 out that way? Is Upperville a UJM and V4 friendly town? Got the bug! Thanks, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 09:24:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AEOUe07166 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.98] ([207.226.21.67]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA30632 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:19:59 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000310135537.26889.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000310135537.26889.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:25:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Viper vs. sportbike article Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" England's "Bike" Magazine ran an article about this not long ago- they did one of the grey-market subaru imprezas with 300 hp against an R1. The Impreza won the braking and street course that they had set up at an airport, but the R1 was (obviously) stupid faster in 1/4 mile and actually beat the car in skidpad testing. The Impreza burned off a set of z-rated rubber in 70 miles, when driven by a rally car pro. They were running it pretty hard... (: The R1 was unfazed by the testing. They concluded that the difference was that you could actually drive a bike like that on public roads, where as the Impreza needed all of both lanes to make anywhere near the speed. So the bike won. >Correct me if I'm wrong but they did it against a >YZF1000. Funny thing is the viper beat the bike in a >bunch of areas that cars have never been able to do >before. Some mags have talked about re-doing the test >with a more modern bike such as an R1. > >Oh and they had to shave the tires of viper. > >Glenn From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 09:26:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AEQSe07179 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:26:10 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:26:10 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:25:36 -0500 Message-Id: <38C9A2E2.5157183C@trw.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:35:36 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: rcrishoc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Viper vs. sportbike article References: <20000310135537.26889.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the article. Yes, it was a YZF. http://www.caranddriver.com/FrameSet/0,1350,_sl_NewArticle_sl_0_cm_1633_cm_960_1_17_cm_00,00.html Randy Moran Glenn Dysart wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong but they did it against a > YZF1000. > > --- rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > I remember a while back someone was talking about a > > magazine (Motor Trend? > > Car & Driver? ) article where they ran a Viper > > against a sportbike (R1?) on > > a road course. Does anyone remember that? I think > > the Viper blew up after > > 10 laps or so. Do any of y'all know what magazine > > that was in, and/or > > where I could find a copy of that article? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 09:28:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AESle07244 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:28:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:28:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200003100928.AA565576094@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Job Vacancies X-Mailer: My company has job openings for Java Developer, Project Coordinator, Senior Accounting/Contract Manager See http://www.conquestsystems.com/resumeapp/index.cfm for details. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 09:32:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AEWie07317 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:32:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HOV (was RE: Nice quick little ride :-)) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:32:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of HOV, has anyone noticed that lately the HOV lanes often seem to be just as congested as the regular travel lanes? The other day, my 45-minute regular commute on my bike took over an hour and a half because of the traffic - bumper-to-bumper almost the whole way from Bethesda to Manassas! I don't even think it's violators filling the lanes - I haven't noticed all that many lately. It just seems like a real flood of 2-person HOV traffic. For me, this has the opposite effect from what the government is trying to achieve. Since there's now no discernable advantage to HOV-ing, I'm driving my car instead of riding. It's more comfortable and the stop-and-go driving is a little less aggravating. Chris Weaver '98 VTR p.s. My normal commute is from Manassas on I-66 to the Beltway north to the 270 split. > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [SMTP:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:12 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Nice quick little ride :-) > > Welp, since I had to work today (they'd know what I was doing if I played > hooky) I decided to wait until this evening and take a quick ride. Just > enough to feel the wind in my face, figuratively speaking that is, and put > a > few more miles on the new bike to reach the break-in mark. ;-) Headed > out > towards Potomac Mills. I figured there wouldn't be much traffic this time > of > night and it would be quick. ;-) Got there and did my turn-around. > Drat! > The HOV gates are still down. I guess the DOT truck hasn't made it > through > to switch them yet. Stay a couple miles with the few cages and semi's on > the > road, (did I mention I hate semi's) and guess what I saw? Yep. You > guessed > it. The DOT truck coming the other way in the HOV lanes. I spot the next > > HOV on-ramp and YES, it's open for business. :-D None of the cages > spotted > it so, I took advantage. Twenty beautiful, tucked-in, 80+mph, no cages in > > site, miles all the way back into town. THAT'S the way to end a ride. I > think they should change the HOV's to motorcycles only all the time. What > do > you guys and gals think? > > Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) > 466 miles down, 134 to go. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 09:39:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AEdKe07386 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:40:10 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B522@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Michael Jay'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Upperville lunch quest Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:37:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Not sure about Upperville, but Magpie's in Middleburg is perfect for lunch. Good burgers, wonderful outside patio and parking right in front. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:18 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Upperville lunch quest > > Hey fellow Virginian riders, > > No, I said Virginian. > > Does Upperville have any fun places to eat lunch? > > Has anyone done the round trip from Herndon to Upperville > with any time estimates to offer? > > How is route 50 out that way? > > Is Upperville a UJM and V4 friendly town? > > Got the bug! > > Thanks, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 09:51:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2AEpAe07596 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:51:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000310145147.21505.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.4] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:51:47 PST Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:51:47 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Upperville lunch quest To: Michael Jay , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Blink for more then three seconds and you'll have gone through Upperville. Middleburg migh be a better choice. Glenn --- Michael Jay wrote: > Hey fellow Virginian riders, > > No, I said Virginian. > > Does Upperville have any fun places to eat lunch? > > Has anyone done the round trip from Herndon to > Upperville > with any time estimates to offer? > > How is route 50 out that way? > > Is Upperville a UJM and V4 friendly town? > > Got the bug! > > Thanks, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:01:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AF1He07764 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B523@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Lane Splitting? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:59:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain All this talk about commuting got me to thinking since I will be commuting when my VFR is fixed. Do any of you lane split around here? I know it is illegal, but what are the levels of enforcement on it? Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:08:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2AF8ne07849 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 17:58:13 UT Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:06 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:HOV (was RE: Nice quick little ride :-)) Message-ID: <20000310100837171-3c813c7e@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chris, I used to make most of that commute every day (at least to the BW.. I'd go southbound toward Springfield) at it sucked!! Even if I was driving legal HOV (car or bike) it was always backed up. That's one reason why I moved to Arlington. I couldn't stand the traffic hassles anymore. Tom '86 VFR750 BTW... Scooter... enjoy that R6! Sounds like you're going to have a blast with it! ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: HOV (was RE: Nice quick little ride :-)) Author: CWeaver@XXXXXX (Weaver; Chris_(MD)) Date: 03/10/2000 9:32 AM Speaking of HOV, has anyone noticed that lately the HOV lanes often seem to be just as congested as the regular travel lanes? The other day, my 45-minute regular commute on my bike took over an hour and a half because of the traffic - bumper-to-bumper almost the whole way from Bethesda to Manassas! I don't even think it's violators filling the lanes - I haven't noticed all that many lately. It just seems like a real flood of 2-person HOV traffic. For me, this has the opposite effect from what the government is trying to achieve. Since there's now no discernable advantage to HOV-ing, I'm driving my car instead of riding. It's more comfortable and the stop-and-go driving is a little less aggravating. Chris Weaver '98 VTR p.s. My normal commute is from Manassas on I-66 to the Beltway north to the 270 split. > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [SMTP:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:12 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Nice quick little ride :-) > > Welp, since I had to work today (they'd know what I was doing if I played > hooky) I decided to wait until this evening and take a quick ride. Just > enough to feel the wind in my face, figuratively speaking that is, and put > a > few more miles on the new bike to reach the break-in mark. ;-) Headed > out > towards Potomac Mills. I figured there wouldn't be much traffic this time > of > night and it would be quick. ;-) Got there and did my turn-around. > Drat! > The HOV gates are still down. I guess the DOT truck hasn't made it > through > to switch them yet. Stay a couple miles with the few cages and semi's on > the > road, (did I mention I hate semi's) and guess what I saw? Yep. You > guessed > it. The DOT truck coming the other way in the HOV lanes. I spot the next > > HOV on-ramp and YES, it's open for business. :-D None of the cages > spotted > it so, I took advantage. Twenty beautiful, tucked-in, 80+mph, no cages in > > site, miles all the way back into town. THAT'S the way to end a ride. I > think they should change the HOV's to motorcycles only all the time. What > do > you guys and gals think? > > Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) > 466 miles down, 134 to go. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:13:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.house.gov (orion.house.gov [143.231.86.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AFDUe07940 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims04.house.gov (hrmims04.house.gov [143.231.32.160]) by orion.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13452 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims04.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:13:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Lane Splitting? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:13:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I've been busted in MD... it's a $150 ticket -- not reckless driving but something just under it. > ---------- > From: Mark Kitchell[SMTP:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:59 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Lane Splitting? > > All this talk about commuting got me to thinking since I will be commuting > when my VFR is fixed. > > Do any of you lane split around here? I know it is illegal, but what are > the levels of enforcement on it? > > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:19:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AFJDe08008 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05956; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <1V5V2TFM>; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:20:53 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D130B@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , Michael Jay , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Upperville lunch quest Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:20:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Great, Is Magpie's on 50? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:38 AM To: 'Michael Jay'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Upperville lunch quest Not sure about Upperville, but Magpie's in Middleburg is perfect for lunch. Good burgers, wonderful outside patio and parking right in front. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:18 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Upperville lunch quest > > Hey fellow Virginian riders, > > No, I said Virginian. > > Does Upperville have any fun places to eat lunch? > > Has anyone done the round trip from Herndon to Upperville > with any time estimates to offer? > > How is route 50 out that way? > > Is Upperville a UJM and V4 friendly town? > > Got the bug! > > Thanks, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:20:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2AFKne08076 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 18:10:12 UT Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:17 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Lane Splitting? Message-ID: <20000310102037327-3c8c3999@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii VA is an automatic reckless driving ticket... I never do it in Virginia (although Jeannette does... and I can't stand that... insurance reasons, ya know??). DC is pretty much open territory. I have done it in front of police without a problem... D.C. is pretty much a lawless city anyway... you could probably get away with a whole helluva lot. I have no idea about MD because I usually do not ride there. I would proceed with caution anyway regardless of where you are... it can be dangerous and cagers don't take kindly to it (I've had a few doors opened up in front of me). Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Lane Splitting? Author: Mkitchell@XXXXXX (Mark Kitchell) Date: 03/10/2000 9:59 AM All this talk about commuting got me to thinking since I will be commuting when my VFR is fixed. Do any of you lane split around here? I know it is illegal, but what are the levels of enforcement on it? Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:21:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AFLJe08086 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:22:07 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B524@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Michael Jay'" , Mark Kitchell , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Upperville lunch quest Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:19:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Yes. Its on the western edge of Middleburg. You will pass the main light, then go about 1/4 of a mile. Magpie's is on the right. Enjoy. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:21 AM > To: 'Mark Kitchell'; Michael Jay; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Upperville lunch quest > > Great, > > Is Magpie's on 50? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:38 AM > To: 'Michael Jay'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Upperville lunch quest > > > Not sure about Upperville, but Magpie's in Middleburg is perfect for > lunch. > Good burgers, wonderful outside patio and parking right in front. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:18 AM > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Upperville lunch quest > > > > Hey fellow Virginian riders, > > > > No, I said Virginian. > > > > Does Upperville have any fun places to eat lunch? > > > > Has anyone done the round trip from Herndon to Upperville > > with any time estimates to offer? > > > > How is route 50 out that way? > > > > Is Upperville a UJM and V4 friendly town? > > > > Got the bug! > > > > Thanks, > > Mike Jay > > '82 XJ750RJ > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:23:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AFNPe08096 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06013; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <1V5V2TF5>; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:24:50 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D130C@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Upperville lunch quest Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:24:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks!! Vrrroooom :) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:19 AM To: 'Michael Jay'; Mark Kitchell; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Upperville lunch quest Yes. Its on the western edge of Middleburg. You will pass the main light, then go about 1/4 of a mile. Magpie's is on the right. Enjoy. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:21 AM > To: 'Mark Kitchell'; Michael Jay; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Upperville lunch quest > > Great, > > Is Magpie's on 50? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:38 AM > To: 'Michael Jay'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Upperville lunch quest > > > Not sure about Upperville, but Magpie's in Middleburg is perfect for > lunch. > Good burgers, wonderful outside patio and parking right in front. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:18 AM > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Upperville lunch quest > > > > Hey fellow Virginian riders, > > > > No, I said Virginian. > > > > Does Upperville have any fun places to eat lunch? > > > > Has anyone done the round trip from Herndon to Upperville > > with any time estimates to offer? > > > > How is route 50 out that way? > > > > Is Upperville a UJM and V4 friendly town? > > > > Got the bug! > > > > Thanks, > > Mike Jay > > '82 XJ750RJ > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:30:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f288.hotmail.com [209.185.130.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2AFUue08230 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30781 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2000 15:30:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000310153049.30780.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:30:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lane Splitting? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:30:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I don't know. But I've done it in front of a cop directing traffic in the district and got told it was illegal. He also said he's never heard of any one getting a ticket unless they drove recklessly (whatever that means). My next door neighbor, who's a Fairfax Co cop says its enforced when it causes an accident or some one's speeding through traffic. He's a former motorcyclist. Seems to think that its minor offense. >From: Mark Kitchell >To: "'DC Cycles'" >Subject: Lane Splitting? >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:59:23 -0500 > >All this talk about commuting got me to thinking since I will be commuting >when my VFR is fixed. > >Do any of you lane split around here? I know it is illegal, but what are >the levels of enforcement on it? > >Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:40:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AFeBe08305 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:41:01 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B526@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Tom Zell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lane Splitting? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:38:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Good advice. I would have never dreamed of it until I rode in California last November. Lane splitting in LA was one of the most stressful and exciting things I have done in a while. Once you get the hang of it, its exhilirating to zip through traffic. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [SMTP:TZell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re:Lane Splitting? > > VA is an automatic reckless driving ticket... I never do it in Virginia > (although Jeannette does... and I can't stand that... insurance reasons, > ya > know??). > > DC is pretty much open territory. I have done it in front of police > without a > problem... D.C. is pretty much a lawless city anyway... you could probably > get > away with a whole helluva lot. > > I have no idea about MD because I usually do not ride there. > > I would proceed with caution anyway regardless of where you are... it can > be > dangerous and cagers don't take kindly to it (I've had a few doors opened > up in > front of me). > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Lane Splitting? > Author: Mkitchell@XXXXXX (Mark Kitchell) > Date: 03/10/2000 9:59 AM > > All this talk about commuting got me to thinking since I will be commuting > when my VFR is fixed. > > Do any of you lane split around here? I know it is illegal, but what are > the levels of enforcement on it? > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:40:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AFeme08315 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12TRWE-0004qT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:40:02 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:40:09 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Fuel leak question (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I passed the information on to my coworker and here is his response. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Where exactly is the leak coming from, a hole where a hose is > supposed > to go, a hose that connects to nothing, or through a hose and it's > connecting location? -> From the petcock where the fuel line connects. ->We took off the fuel line and the pet cock would leak from that hole. > Does the bike run normally or under riding-acceleration does it feel > choppy, and/or like it bogs down at first? -> I don't notice any difference in the acceleration. -> Seems to be functioning normally. > Are the petcock's labeled? If so what are they labeled? > on/off/reserve ? or just a combination of the two ( and if so what > is > labeled on each one?) -> There are four positions. OFF/ON/PRI/RES. > Also how many lines are hooked up to the gas tank? 3? 4? > are all the lines the same size? or is/are the vent line(s) a > different size therefore probably not connected wrong? ->There are 4 lines, of the same diameter, coming from the ->tank. 2 from each petcock. -> I have looked at the diagram for the system and I believe ->the ON line is to the rear on each pet cock. -> The forward line has the vacuum hose. All of the hoses ->route into a diaphragm above the carbs. -> The forward line on both sides have a T before reaching ->the diaphragm, from which a line goes down below the carbs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:45:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AFjve08439 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26520; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:45:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000310104942.00a0a8f0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:52:28 +0000 To: "Doug Allis" , Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Lane Splitting? In-Reply-To: <20000310153049.30780.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't do it much in VA, just a bit in Rosslyn when trying to make a right turn and traffic is at a stand-still. I did it all the time in DC, but usually only when traffic was stopped to get through to the front at a light. Cagers in DC, I've found, are more aware of motorcycles in general than in the suburbs, I think because of all of the couriers going in & out of traffic in DC. Just my opinion, of course. Knock on wood, never been stopped for it... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 07:30 AM 3/10/00 -0800, Doug Allis wrote: >I don't know. But I've done it in front of a cop directing traffic in the >district and got told it was illegal. He also said he's never heard of any >one getting a ticket unless they drove recklessly (whatever that means). My >next door neighbor, who's a Fairfax Co cop says its enforced when it causes >an accident or some one's speeding through traffic. He's a former >motorcyclist. Seems to think that its minor offense. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:47:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AFlce08449 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:48:29 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B528@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Jeannette Zell'" , Doug Allis , Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lane Splitting? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:45:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain To me there is a difference between inching to the front of the light in traffic, and lane splitting in stoped beltway/66 traffic. Actually, the latter was what I meant in my initial question. Both are illegal though. But in traffic you should be able to see if there is a cop around. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [SMTP:jzell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 5:52 AM > To: Doug Allis; Mkitchell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Lane Splitting? > > I don't do it much in VA, just a bit in Rosslyn when trying to make a > right > turn and traffic is at a stand-still. I did it all the time in DC, but > usually only when traffic was stopped to get through to the front at a > light. Cagers in DC, I've found, are more aware of motorcycles in general > than in the suburbs, I think because of all of the couriers going in & out > of traffic in DC. > Just my opinion, of course. > Knock on wood, never been stopped for it... > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 07:30 AM 3/10/00 -0800, Doug Allis wrote: > >I don't know. But I've done it in front of a cop directing traffic in the > > >district and got told it was illegal. He also said he's never heard of > any > >one getting a ticket unless they drove recklessly (whatever that means). > My > >next door neighbor, who's a Fairfax Co cop says its enforced when it > causes > >an accident or some one's speeding through traffic. He's a former > >motorcyclist. Seems to think that its minor offense. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:50:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f183.hotmail.com [209.185.131.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2AFove08517 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24135 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2000 15:50:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000310155050.24134.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:50:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: CWeaver@XXXXXX, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV (was RE: Nice quick little ride :-)) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:50:50 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Here's my $.02....My experiance is primarliy 395/95 on my bike, but I do get out 66 during rush hour a couple of times a month. I've found that the HOV lanes outside the beltway on 66 are a complete waste. The combination of HOV-2 and the non-separated lanes make for HOV lanes that are just a crowded as the rest of the road. On I-395 and 95, where the lanes are separated and the rule is HOV-3, the lanes move at about 50-75 MPH all the way to the merge down near Quantico, BUT and its a big BUT, the HOV lanes open to all trafic at 6:00 pm going out of DC (earlier than the 7:00 on 66 outside the beltway). So the 95/395 HOV lanes are just as crowded as the regular lanes from 5:55 to about 7:00. I think that VA is slowly opening the HOV lanes to everyone. When I moved here in 1985 the HOV lanes on 395/95 were from the DC to the beltway and it was HOV-4. They also stayed HOV later in the evening. Then they opened the 14th St bridge when the SW/SE freeway was rebuilt about 8 years ago. Now anyone can get onto the HOV lanes and they are jammed most mornings and many evenings. It seems there is lots of political pressure in VA to reduce HOV hours and cut the number of people needed to get in. If the trend continues I think all the HOV lanes will be just as jammed as the regular lanes. Any thoughts? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 10:52:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AFqJe08527 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA10010 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:52:14 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:38:47 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF8A7C.D09A1580.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Nice quick little ride :-) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:38:45 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good, maybe a guy with a pit board too ;) Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA . Twenty beautiful, tucked-in, 80+mph, no cages in site, miles all the way back into town. THAT'S the way to end a ride. I think they should change the HOV's to motorcycles only all the time. What do you guys and gals think? Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) 466 miles down, 134 to go. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 11:15:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2AGF6e08856 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA03949; Fri, 10 Mar 1972 11:18:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1972 11:18:44 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Mark Kitchell cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Lane Splitting? In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B523@QSI_TYSONS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I do this in DC gridlock, and have seen DC bike cops doing same. Doesn't mean that you won't get ticketed, but I haven't. On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > All this talk about commuting got me to thinking since I will be commuting > when my VFR is fixed. > > Do any of you lane split around here? I know it is illegal, but what are > the levels of enforcement on it? > > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 11:22:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.223]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2AGMZe08942 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from wash24.acs.org by amerchem.acs.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22536; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:22:09 -0500 Received: from wash58.acs.org (wash58.acs.org [134.243.200.8]) by wash24.acs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00441; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by wash58.acs.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:18:07 -0500 Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96B1BEC5@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "Jackie Slate (E-mail)" , "Jackie Slate (E-mail)" , "Jeff (E-mail)" , "John (E-mail)" , "Karen Charles (E-mail)" , "Kristine Rife (E-mail)" , "Krista Pendley (E-mail)" , "Marla Goldberg (E-mail)" , "Nathan Smith (E-mail)" , "Ned Suesse (E-mail)" , "Rose Kern (E-mail)" , "John C. Monahan (E-mail)" , "PJ Ulzheimer (Work) (E-mail)" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Motorcycle Shots from MI 2 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:17:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AAC.37E4B36A" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AAC.37E4B36A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The new trailer for Mission Impossible 2 that comes out this summer is now out. Looks like some cool tricks on a Triumph Speed Triple. http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/mission_impossible_2/ ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AAC.37E4B36A Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Jason Picton.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jason Picton.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Picton;Jason FN:Jason Picton ORG:;IT EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jip98@XXXXXX REV:19990611T195532Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AAC.37E4B36A-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 11:37:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2AGbCe09160 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:37:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000310163751.11216.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.7] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:37:51 PST Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:37:51 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lane Splitting? To: Mark Kitchell , "'Jeannette Zell'" , Doug Allis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would say yes except for the fact that the VA State police seem to have at least one Chevy Lumina that always surprises me when I pass it on the side of the road. Thankfully I haven't passed him when he was moving. For those that haven't seen it its a medium to dark blue with the standard hubcaps those things come with. Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Both are illegal though. But in traffic you should > be able to see if there > is a cop around. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 11:40:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2AGeUe09173 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:40:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000310164109.11612.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.7] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:41:09 PST Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:41:09 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV (was RE: Nice quick little ride :-)) To: Doug Allis , CWeaver@XXXXXX, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, my thouhts are tha I agree with you. Even 66 used to be HOV-3 and they reduced it to HOV-2. The worst part about 66 is that fact that the lane is not seperated and people that are not HOV just jump back and forth when there "might" be a cop up ahead. Glenn --- Doug Allis wrote: > Here's my $.02....My experiance is primarliy 395/95 > on my bike, but I do get > out 66 during rush hour a couple of times a month. > I've found that the HOV > lanes outside the beltway on 66 are a complete > waste. The combination of > HOV-2 and the non-separated lanes make for HOV lanes > that are just a crowded > as the rest of the road. > > On I-395 and 95, where the lanes are separated and > the rule is HOV-3, the > lanes move at about 50-75 MPH all the way to the > merge down near Quantico, > BUT and its a big BUT, the HOV lanes open to all > trafic at 6:00 pm going out > of DC (earlier than the 7:00 on 66 outside the > beltway). So the 95/395 HOV > lanes are just as crowded as the regular lanes from > 5:55 to about 7:00. I > think that VA is slowly opening the HOV lanes to > everyone. When I moved > here in 1985 the HOV lanes on 395/95 were from the > DC to the beltway and it > was HOV-4. They also stayed HOV later in the > evening. Then they opened the > 14th St bridge when the SW/SE freeway was rebuilt > about 8 years ago. Now > anyone can get onto the HOV lanes and they are > jammed most mornings and many > evenings. It seems there is lots of political > pressure in VA to reduce HOV > hours and cut the number of people needed to get in. > If the trend continues > I think all the HOV lanes will be just as jammed as > the regular lanes. > > Any thoughts? > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 12:58:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AHwTe10211 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17610 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:41:48 -0600 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id MAA20622 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:58:21 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525689E.0062B82D ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:58:16 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525689E.0062B5E2.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:58:08 -0500 Subject: FW: [Moto] Volunteer Opportunity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >From the Brit-Iron list. (This is all I know about it) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling -------------------------- original message -------------------------- From: Charlie Vanderburg Reply-To: Charlie Vanderburg To: BRIT-IRON-L@XXXXXX Subject: Volunteer Opportunity Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:12:01 -0500 The American Lung Association is looking for motorcyclists to join the crew of the Big Ride Across America and help us provide route support to our Riders. The Big Ride is a fundraising bicycle ride from Seattle to Washington DC involving 200-300 Riders who each raise at least $7000 in donations for the Lung Association. Motorcycle riders support the cyclists by riding along the route each day assisting with traffic control and assisting riders who have problems. This is an opportunity for anyone concerned about lung disease to give some support to the ALA, to see some of the Country at a leisurely pace and work with some very dedicated, fun people. You can volunteer for the entire Big Ride (June 19-August 5) or choose from one or more parts of the country: * Pacific Northwest: June 19- June 28 * Big Sky: June 28- July 9 * Heartland: July 9- July 16 * Big Ten: July 16- July 28 * Appalachians: July 28- August 5 Volunteer crew members will get breakfast & dinner, hot showers in camp every day, make lots of new friends, and other benefits. We pay for gas purchased during the Ride. There is a $25 registration fee. Please contact me for more information. I look forward to hearing from you, Charlie Vanderburg cvanderb@XXXXXX Volunteer Support Manager American Lung Association RadioShack Big Ride Across America 2000 Phone: (877) BIG-RIDE, WEB site: WWW.bigride.com, general e-mail: bigride@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 16:49:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2ALnQe13321 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: AMA 600SS Online Now Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:49:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain For those race fans on the list, the AMA 600 Supersport race stats are being commentated on live at www.amasuperbike.com/etalk. I'm writing this at 4:50pm on Friday and they're about to restart the race after a red flag. The order is Kurtis Roberts 1st, then Miguel DuHamel, Doug Chandler and Eric Bostrom. Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 17:20:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2AMKGe13824 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12TXkt-0005et-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:19:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA 600SS Online Now In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you're gonna post race results please put a warning in the title of the message so as not to ruin it for those who plan on watching the races on tv at a later date. Thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 17:21:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aw164.netaddress.usa.net (aw164.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.64]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2AMLve13852 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1819 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2000 22:21:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000310222154.1818.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.64 by aw164 for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.4.4.4) on Fri Mar 10 22:21:54 GMT 2000 Date: 10 Mar 00 17:21:54 EST From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: Re:AMA 600SS Online Now X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.4.4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2AMM4e13853 Whoa, that was waaaaay cool. I wish I could've seen what was going on. Damn! Chris Weaver said: For those race fans on the list, the AMA 600 Supersport race stats are being commentated on live at www.amasuperbike.com/etalk. I'm writing this at 4:50pm on Friday and they're about to restart the race after a red flag. The order is Kurtis Roberts 1st, then Miguel DuHamel, Doug Chandler and Eric Bostrom. Chris Weaver LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 22:31:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2B3Vve18225 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Tcd9-0002bt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:31:55 +0000 Received: from [168.143.218.79] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Tcd3-00079C-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:31:49 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:31:29 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: re: Lane Splitting? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: From: Mark Kitchell > All this talk about commuting got me to thinking since I will be > commuting when my VFR is fixed. > Do any of you lane split around here? I know it is illegal, but what > are the levels of enforcement on it? Uh-oh, here we go again ;) Yes, I lane split. So do one or three others on this list. I did not buy a motorcycle to sit behind a cage in a traffic jam when there is (often) plenty of room for me to scoot forward. Thus, I prefer to call it "filtering" (I believe someone else on this list referred me to that more appropriate term some time ago). I do it on the Key Bridge going into DC practically every day. I will also do it when traffic is backed up on roads like Rt 7 and sometimes 66 as well - here you have to be more careful because some cagers may react in a jealous manner due to heightened levels of traffic frustration and try to prevent you from passing them. I've been told that cagers in MD are more intolerant. In DC, no problemo. In VA, I'm more judicious. Here's what I do: Hand and foot poised over the brakes; high beam off; speed at ~10-15 mph in moving traffic, less if at a stand-still; scan cager faces in their mirrors in front of you for reactionary clues. That being said, I judge things anew every day. Sometimes I don't do it if it doesn't feel right. It's hard to explain exactly why though. It's just a vibe I get... If traffic is stopped at a light, I slowly "filter' forward and stop in the blind spot of the front cager. Light turns green. One cager is ahead of the other. I accelerate prudently and slip in where appropriate. Or, if they're sort of equal, I just blow by both of them (!) - although that does make for a "pissing-off quotient" that you have to take responsibility for. We don't live in California , so you takes your chances :) No cop has seen (caught) me yet, but once on the Key the bicycle cop sitting at the end of the bridge watched me filter around M street to the first light. He didn't budge though. YMMV etc. JK 95 VFR [Pic credit --> Bruce Norton] D-mode From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 10 22:49:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2B3nMe18457 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18167 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2000 03:49:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000311034916.18166.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:49:16 PST Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:49:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Car vs. bike article.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since the link was posted I went and read the article.. through the first six pages, I was actually enjoying it, thinking th car and driver writer was doig a pretty nice article...... then read the last page.... BAH....what crap... They get a top of the line one off rece replica vs. a sport touring bike (which is about what the thunderace is/was). Then they make all sorts of whines for blowing their motor and frying their brakes... then say that they'd beat a bike in all bt a narroly defined track... HAHAHAHAA... There's a saying that I've been on the bad side of several times over the last racing season: "You have to FINISH a race to WIN it!!" hehehe Maybe I should trot on over to their office and have em come out to Grattan with me this summer!! (they're office is around here somewhere).... of corse... as soon as I open my big mouth, they'd kick my butt since I am sure they've been on that track a lot already vs. my never having seen it yet.. CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 01:59:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2B6xPe20987 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.20.36] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP052.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.36]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17963 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:59:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003110659.WAA17963@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:51:25 -0500 Subject: Re: lane splitting From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I do it DC all the time - only got caught by the cops once - some capitol hill on-the-street-cop (ie on foot) ... I popped out between the lanes at a red light and he saw me and started screaming at me to "COME HERE" - I was thinking if I didn't he'd probably write down my tags ... so I went over and got a thorough tongue lashing after explaining that "why no, officer, I had NO IDEA it was illegal in DC...." >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/10/00 >Date: Fri, Mar 10, 2000, 7:00 PM > > I don't know. But I've done it in front of a cop directing traffic in the > district and got told it was illegal. He also said he's never heard of any > one getting a ticket unless they drove recklessly (whatever that means). My > next door neighbor, who's a Fairfax Co cop says its enforced when it causes > an accident or some one's speeding through traffic. He's a former > motorcyclist. Seems to think that its minor offense. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 07:45:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.house.gov (orion.house.gov [143.231.86.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2BCjte28540 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims02.house.gov (hrmims02.house.gov [143.231.32.158]) by orion.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA19360 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims02.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:45:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: lane splitting Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:45:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) you get a couple "rogue" cap hill cops that like to make life difficult for everybody else. For example, everybody on the hill knows about the crossing guard nazi, an officer that gets his thrills from writing jay-walking tickets to everybody -- including members of congress. The one rule I've made in my years of riding: Never, under any circumstances, make eye-contact with an officer of the law. > ---------- > From: Marcy[SMTP:alarix@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 1:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: lane splitting > > I do it DC all the time - only got caught by the cops once - some capitol > hill on-the-street-cop (ie on foot) ... I popped out between the lanes at > a > red light and he saw me and started screaming at me to "COME HERE" - I was > thinking if I didn't he'd probably write down my tags ... so I went over > and > got a thorough tongue lashing after explaining that "why no, officer, I > had > NO IDEA it was illegal in DC...." > > >>>>>>>Marcy > >>>>>>>CB-1 400F > >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." > > ---------- > >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/10/00 > >Date: Fri, Mar 10, 2000, 7:00 PM > > > > > I don't know. But I've done it in front of a cop directing traffic in > the > > district and got told it was illegal. He also said he's never heard of > any > > one getting a ticket unless they drove recklessly (whatever that means). > My > > next door neighbor, who's a Fairfax Co cop says its enforced when it > causes > > an accident or some one's speeding through traffic. He's a former > > motorcyclist. Seems to think that its minor offense. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 11:33:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2BGXM000607 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 9.2b.2e3e748 (3985); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2b.2e3e748.25fbceef@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:31:43 EST Subject: Re: Nice quick little ride :-) To: mjay@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 In a message dated 3/10/2000 8:49:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, mjay@XXXXXX writes: << Well Scooter (2000 YZF-R6) you've got your first acolyte. >it so, I took advantage. Twenty beautiful, tucked-in, 80+mph, no cages in >site, miles all the way back into town. THAT'S the way to end a ride. I >think they should change the HOV's to motorcycles only all the time. What do >you guys and gals think? Can I get an amen, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ >> Thank You. Thank You. No, no, please sit down. ;-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 11:41:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2BGej000692 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id u.1e.274c2cb (3985); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:40:02 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e.274c2cb.25fbd0e1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:40:01 EST Subject: Re: HOV (was RE: Nice quick little ride :-)) To: TZell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 In a message dated 3/10/2000 10:10:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, TZell@XXXXXX writes: << Tom '86 VFR750 BTW... Scooter... enjoy that R6! Sounds like you're going to have a blast with it! >> I intend to. I've signed up for Keith Code's two-day camp in Sept. in NY so that I can enjoy it even more. ;-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 13:50:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2BIoR002948 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-211.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.211]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09971 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:48:14 -0500 Message-ID: <00b101bf8ba3$2da6cee0$b0a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Viper vs. sportbike article Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:45:52 -0800 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Thanks for a great, insightful read for this performance voyeur. And on a dreary Saturday afternoon with the sounds of NASCAR on TV in the background! A rare experience. Hmmm. Will a circuit-race airplane be the next challenge? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ***From the Digest From: Randy Moran Subject: Re: Viper vs. sportbike article Here's the article. Yes, it was a YZF. http://www.caranddriver.com/FrameSet/0,1350,_sl_NewArticle_sl_0_cm_1633_cm_9 60_1_17_cm_00,00.html From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 14:19:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2BJJf003419 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA25923 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-211.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.211]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10796 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:18:06 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401bf8ba7$3f79a800$b0a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Lane Splitting? Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:14:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 With all the planned area roadwork due, last year an article of mine made it to WR Motorcycle Times (the free bimonthly found around -- I think it was March April) championing making it legal to lanesplit metro-wide. Benefits to traffic movement, official uses, etc. California was the only state where it was legal (possibility of some localities nationwide). It brought some interesting published responses (Europe, cager attitudes, etc.). The material used to be available on a dc-cycles associated list, but I don't locate that list anymore. If anyone is seriously interested in using this material I'll be glad to send copies. Other digest comments about "filtering" (between stopped lanes at a light) in the District are noted with a smile. I save probably 2 hours a month trying to look like a messenger. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Lane Splitting? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:59:23 -0500 All this talk about commuting got me to thinking since I will be commuting when my VFR is fixed. Do any of you lane split around here? I know it is illegal, but what are the levels of enforcement on it? Mark From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 16:24:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2BLO6Q06411 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:26:12 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:23:39 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.135 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:26:10 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Lane Splitting? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:25:11 GMT Message-ID: <38cce22a.503958517@eriss.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2BLOKQ06412 I lane split.. wherever highway traffic is backed up for miles I figure teh cops aren't sitting in the traffic, they are either way behind, or most likely, up at the front dealign with the accident. .. like 295, or 95 north and in dc. Just a couple of days ago we went for a ride to baltimore.. traffic was backed up for miles.. but instead of lane splitting we creep along the shoulder scanning for cops, when we see one, we dip back into the lane.. also take advantage of empty merge lanes that way. I would rather do that, creep along the shoulder, than lane split. this way you only have cars to one side of you (to do something stupid) and you have plenty of room to avoid the car or door that comes into your path. I never had a car door open up on me thankfully, and haven't seen a car purposely cut me off to stop me. But I filter to to redlights pretty easily in dc. You do have to be careful though... cars are notorious for doing the wrong thing, and I see passing each one as a gamble.. so when you pass thousands of cars eventually.. one is going to be the bad apple. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 16:26:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2BLQqQ06424 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:12:58 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:10:25 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.135 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:12:57 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Haring, Seth" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Lane Splitting? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:11:57 GMT Message-ID: <38cadf5f.503243114@eriss.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2BLQsQ06425 On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:13:22 -0500, you wrote: |> |>I've been busted in MD... it's a $150 ticket -- not reckless driving but |>something just under it. Where at in Maryland? I rarely do it in maryland.. but I recall a couple of times going to the front and OOPS look on the opposite direction stoplight, there is a cop! Either they didn't see me or didn't care. I do it often in DC, but not if I see a cop anywhere near. Seems more common place in DC.. so I feel a little better about it. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 17:19:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2BMJPQ07174 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:21:12 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:18:39 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.135 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:21:11 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Fuel leak question (fwd) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:20:11 GMT Message-ID: <38cde5a3.504847407@eriss.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2BMJaQ07175 Alright I was hoping someone more familiar with said bike model could have the knowledge to already know what was going on, and solve the problem.. I guess I can just try to take another stab at it. I dont' think it's exactly rocketscience, so I would think any person who does a little work on bikes could figure it out. Maybe he could take it to one of the altruists we have here? hehe. anyway.. |>> Where exactly is the leak coming from, a hole where a hose is |>> supposed |>> to go, a hose that connects to nothing, or through a hose and it's |>> connecting location? |>-> From the petcock where the fuel line connects. |>->We took off the fuel line and the pet cock would leak from |>that hole. I'm a little confused. If you took off the fuel line, the fuel line should leak, and not be attatched to the petcock so the petcock should have no source to be leaking. |>> Does the bike run normally or under riding-acceleration does it feel |>> choppy, and/or like it bogs down at first? |>-> I don't notice any difference in the acceleration. |>-> Seems to be functioning normally. mine did too, when the vent line was still able to get air. Ride it to a friends house who works on bikes are is mechanically inclined |>> Are the petcock's labeled? If so what are they labeled? |>> on/off/reserve ? or just a combination of the two ( and if so what |>> is |>> labeled on each one?) |>-> There are four positions. OFF/ON/PRI/RES. each petcock has 4 positions? or I'm hoping you have on/off on the left switch primary/reserve on the right switch ? and the left switch leaks gas? Then it sounds like the fuel line inside the tank is broken. Sounds like the on/off switch is the vent line, and gas is leaking into the vent line. You could replace the tank or empty the tank, create a new vent line. |>> Also how many lines are hooked up to the gas tank? 3? 4? |>> are all the lines the same size? or is/are the vent line(s) a |>> different size therefore probably not connected wrong? |>->There are 4 lines, of the same diameter, coming from the |>->tank. 2 from each petcock. |>-> I have looked at the diagram for the system and I believe |>->the ON line is to the rear on each pet cock. |>-> The forward line has the vacuum hose. All of the hoses |>->route into a diaphragm above the carbs. |>-> The forward line on both sides have a T before reaching |>->the diaphragm, from which a line goes down below the carbs. Who removed the gas tank the last time, and why? Can you have that person double check what he reconnected? Let me know if you have any more questions maybe i could help you with? Sorry I can't be much more help : | Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 17:45:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2BMj0Q07627 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12322 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2000 22:44:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000311224458.12321.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.85.201] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:44:58 PST Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:44:58 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: HOV (was RE: Nice quick little ride :-)) To: Doug Allis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Doug Allis wrote: > It seems there is lots of political > pressure in VA to reduce HOV > hours and cut the number of people needed to get in. > If the trend continues > I think all the HOV lanes will be just as jammed as > the regular lanes. I think HOV should be completely eliminated. The government has an obligation to provide sufficient roads for all citizens. Besides, if they eliminated HOV, they might think about less enforcement on lane splitting violations. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 11 20:23:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2C1NDQ09784 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10783 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2000 01:23:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000312012307.10782.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.230.136] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:23:07 PST Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:23:07 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The first time we did this, There was a prize for the winner of the circles, Collin won the Ducati while riding Jeannette's bike, he said he wouldn't be here this time, so someone else can win the bike. I won't promise it'll be a Ducati, sicne I probably won't be able to get one of those on such short notice. The first time we did this was also the day the Tom and Jeannette met. If we don't get thrown out, it will be held at the commuter parking lots at Potomac Mills Mall. The parking area is numbered 19 and 20. It is located between Coleman Power Sports and the mall. To get to the lot, take I-95 in Virginia to exit 158B. Follow the Prince William Parkway to the third light and turn left onto Telegraph Rd. You'll pass Coleman Power Sport and take the first right following the signs for Commuter Parking. At the top of the hill, turn left again following the commuter parking signs. Turn left into the 2d parking lot. Circles - 3 interlocking circles with an 11 ft radius - good riders can do 6 laps in under 30 seconds. Cone weave - it will be set up to same size turns as the circles, this should give people a place to practice for time. Braking exercise - set up like the MSF course, with a little luck, we'll see a few stoppies here. Large figure 8 - maybe Kirk or someone else can do another low-side demo (NOT) I'll have it set up by 9 AM on Saturday March 18th. If the demand is there (or the weather won't cooperate,) we'll do it again on Sunday. Hope to see a lot of you there. Let me know what you'd like to drink, I'll bring a cooler. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 11:28:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2CGSPQ22221 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15023 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:28:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday In-Reply-To: <20000312012307.10782.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Leon Begeman wrote: > Large figure 8 - maybe Kirk or someone else can do > another low-side demo (NOT) HEY!!! > I'll have it set up by 9 AM on Saturday March 18th. > If the demand is there (or the weather won't > cooperate,) we'll do it again on Sunday. FWIW, I can get there sunday but not saturday... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 18:54:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2CNsoQ28288 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.15.1dc636b (3975); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:54:37 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15.1dc636b.25fd883d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:54:37 EST Subject: Pathetic Commentary on ESPN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: race@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 You know... they don't show motorcycle racing on TV much except on SpeedVision, so you'd think ESPN would at least make some sort of effort for the Daytona 200. This has got to be the WORST coverage of a sporting event I've ever seen on a big network. Half the time the commentators aren't even paying attention to their monitors and miss passes and other stuff. The other half of the time they don't seem to be able to figure out who's actually leading (usually because they missed the last pass that occurred). AAAARRRRRGGG!!! Other than that... good race so far :) Looks like Honda has done their homework with the RC51! Where the hell is Yamaha??? You'd think the R7 would be a better platform, especially since this is the second year for it. oops - commercial's over! - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 20:13:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2D1DNQ29326 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts016d30.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.235.42] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:13:13 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Daytona (no finish results) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:13:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf8c89$528a5970$2aeb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Get real Brian... like they're going to put any more effort than absolutly necessary to cover an event they almost only showed on tape delay because they had 'Live Foosball' turnoments (ESPN now says that Foosball is an official sport).... Awesome fucking race none-the-less... and a better finish than last year... if you didn't watch it because you think racing is borring, try watching a few laps from this race.. there were passes for the lead damn near every lap in that 57 lap race. If you just missed it because, well.. you missed it - catch a VHS copy or the replay of the race.. it's worth seeing. And, yea... Honda HAS done their homework with the RC51... and Yamaha can't even build a bike that's top 5 for 3 times the price.. LMFAO.... how do you like THEM apples?!?!! Wonder if any Ducati or HD will EVER finish competitivly there.... At least we'll get to see Picotte on the VR1000 for 4 more years.. Ru$$ell can wander off and find some nice, friendly backwoods boy in GA that thinks he has 'purty lips' and squeel like a pig for the rest of his existance. Ok... guess I should quit bashing the riders.. can I bash the MMI comercial? They make it sound/look as if you're going to come out of this school and doing something other than changing tires and doing grunt work... LOL, yea-fucking-right. $10~14/hour doing the dirty, disgusting work while paying your dues... Anyway.... Brian From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 20:31:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2D1V9Q29592 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.ce.29cbf34 (15548); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:30:57 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:30:57 EST Subject: Re: Pathetic Commentary on ESPN To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Actually it looked to me that the Ducati was actually faster at the worst kind of track for it, i.e. a NASCAR track. Bayliss appeared to be able to pass Hayden whenever he wanted to, taking any kind of crazy line he wanted. He sometimes went high on the bank sometimes low and never seemed to take the same line in the chicane. Says alot about the Ducati. The guy had never seen Daytona and was in the lead quite a bit. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 20:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2D1a9Q29660 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.68.1cbb804 (4339) for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:35:51 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.1cbb804.25fd9ff7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:35:51 EST Subject: Re: Daytona (no finish results) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/12/00 8:16:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > Wonder if any Ducati or HD will EVER finish competitively there.... At least > we'll get to see Picotte on the VR1000 for 4 more years.. Ru$$ell can > wander off and find some nice, friendly backwoods boy in GA that thinks he > has 'purty lips' and squeel like a pig for the rest of his existance. I love how Russel says "The Harley just doesn't have any motor" and all this other garbage all the while Picotte is putting it on the podium, winning a couple races, and at least keeping it in the top-10 at Daytona. If Russel would just shut up and maybe put some effort into his riding, maybe he'd do better. - B From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 20:44:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2D1i4Q29729 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.73.197082e (4339) for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:43:55 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <73.197082e.25fda1da@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:43:54 EST Subject: Re: Pathetic Commentary on ESPN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/12/00 8:30:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Boia de writes: > Actually it looked to me that the Ducati was actually faster at the worst > kind of track for it, i.e. a NASCAR track. Yeah... It's too bad it dumped it trail-braking into that corner... ugh. I also was thinking that it looked like the Ducati had the advantage over the RC51. It seemed like Bayliss was able brake later coming off the banking and shoot right by Nicky. The RC51 was SO strong coming out of the infield though - even though Mladen said the Suzuki had more power, it just seemed like the Honda would hyper-accelerate up onto the banking. - B From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 20:54:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2D1sVQ29855 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-83.patriot.net [209.249.180.83]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29892; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:54:26 -0500 Message-ID: <38CC49AD.33842395@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:51:41 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pathetic Commentary on ESPN References: <15.1dc636b.25fd883d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You think that coverage was bad - shoulda been around in the 60s when they tried to televise ice hockey down in the south. The camera guy got so dizzy trying to follow the puck - at 90+MPH - that he fell off his camera chair. It was pitiful. A couple SpeedVision dudes shot one of our boat races last year. When the camera dudes found out we were gonna run like 40 heats of racing they damn near fainted. Yep, no two hour easy day here - we be racing from 11 to 7. Never saw that on the tube either - same problem - lack of camera experiance and a commentator who didn't know race boats at all. He goes "What does 350ccH mean?" 350 cc hydro, dude, alcohol fueled and running tuned pipes. Got your earplugs? "My what?" BRRRAPPP - ABRAPP - ABRAPP!!! Followed by the unmuffled shrieks from a fleet of 350ccH cranking about 13K RPM. The guy doing sound grabbed his headphones and screamed in pain. The camera guy lowered his cam after the start, having blinked and missed it, and goes "Geez, they're fast." Really? *snork giggle* Bill BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > You know... they don't show motorcycle racing on TV much except on > SpeedVision, so you'd think ESPN would at least make some sort of effort for > the Daytona 200. > > This has got to be the WORST coverage of a sporting event I've ever seen on a > big network. Half the time the commentators aren't even paying attention to > their monitors and miss passes and other stuff. The other half of the time > they don't seem to be able to figure out who's actually leading (usually > because they missed the last pass that occurred). > > AAAARRRRRGGG!!! > > Other than that... good race so far :) Looks like Honda has done their > homework with the RC51! > > Where the hell is Yamaha??? You'd think the R7 would be a better platform, > especially since this is the second year for it. > > oops - commercial's over! > > - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 21:13:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2D2DwQ00216 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-136.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FRC00A6V8TV7E@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:13:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:13:51 -0500 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Russell/Harley (was Daytona (no finish results)) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <38CC4EDE.87C9F394@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: <68.1cbb804.25fd9ff7@aol.com> I'd be surprised if the Russell/Harley relationship makes it through the season. Did you notice when the ESPN2 guy asked Scheibe what the problem was, Sheibe answered, "I don't know. We haven't received the list..." or something like that; this as Russell was sulking his way through the infield. He sounded pretty fed up with Russell. Russell didn't talk to the press at all, which is a lot different than how he used to be. The commentators said that Russell's been bad-mouthing the Harley team with impunity lately. That definitely can't last... BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/12/00 8:16:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > > > Wonder if any Ducati or HD will EVER finish competitively there.... At > least > > we'll get to see Picotte on the VR1000 for 4 more years.. Ru$$ell can > > wander off and find some nice, friendly backwoods boy in GA that thinks he > > has 'purty lips' and squeel like a pig for the rest of his existance. > > I love how Russel says "The Harley just doesn't have any motor" and all this > other garbage all the while Picotte is putting it on the podium, winning a > couple races, and at least keeping it in the top-10 at Daytona. If Russel > would just shut up and maybe put some effort into his riding, maybe he'd do > better. > > - B From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 21:33:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2D2X9Q00480 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-136.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FRC00AHU9PW5T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:32:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:33:06 -0500 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: One of Summit's finest at Daytona To: DC Cycles Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <38CC535F.7FBFF6C5@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Brandon Bashore, from Harrisburg, Pa., a regular last year at the CCS rounds at Summit Point, came in 20th in the 200. Randy From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 22:15:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2D3EuQ01044 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA08660 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (216-164-132-148.s402.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.132.148]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30549 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:12:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000312220846.00bb8aa0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:10:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Daytona (no finish results) In-Reply-To: <68.1cbb804.25fd9ff7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:35 PM 3/12/2000 , BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >I love how Russel says "The Harley just doesn't have any motor" and all this >other garbage all the while Picotte is putting it on the podium, winning a >couple races, and at least keeping it in the top-10 at Daytona. If Russel >would just shut up and maybe put some effort into his riding, maybe he'd do >better. Between last year's bar fights and this year's pathetic run, I don;t see him and HD hanging out together much longer. Watched the race at home this afternoon. Amazing. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 22:35:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2D3EuQ01044 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA08660 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (216-164-132-148.s402.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.132.148]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30549 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:12:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000312220846.00bb8aa0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:10:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Daytona (no finish results) In-Reply-To: <68.1cbb804.25fd9ff7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:35 PM 3/12/2000 , BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >I love how Russel says "The Harley just doesn't have any motor" and all this >other garbage all the while Picotte is putting it on the podium, winning a >couple races, and at least keeping it in the top-10 at Daytona. If Russel >would just shut up and maybe put some effort into his riding, maybe he'd do >better. Between last year's bar fights and this year's pathetic run, I don;t see him and HD hanging out together much longer. Watched the race at home this afternoon. Amazing. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 12 22:56:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3106.mail.yahoo.com (web3106.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2D3uY900778 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:56:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000313035601.23198.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.177.7] by web3106.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:56:01 PST Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan S. McClune" Subject: update on me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I'll keep this short but thought you may want to know how I was doing. Currently I am at: Room 229 National Rehabilitation Hospital 102 Irving St NW Washington DC 20010 I'll be here at least long enough for bones to heal, another month or more. I feel pretty good considering all that happened. Rehab is painful but I guess that is why they call it rehab. Still on pain medication but not enough to make it worth it ;). That is good though as I hate that feeling. You are all welcome to stop by, I could use the company. Should be more active on email now that I was able to get my laptop. Anyone have direcPC dish? dialup is slow :( Thanks again to the handful that has already stopped by. Details: I don't remember the accident. Reports say, crossed center, and went frontal crash into a school bus. I've not seen the damage to the bike and personally I don't see how I could of done that but it doesn't matter now. I've also been told the R6 is totaled. I was airlifted to Washington Hospital Center where I was alert enough to give them my parents phone numbers. My mother was able to fly in that night. As for me, I showed up with both collar bones fractured. A fractured femur. Left wrist broken. Worst of all is I stretched the nerves going to my left arm and am unable to move it. No feeling in my left hand for same reason. Might be two months, might a year or more before this heals. I have a rod in my leg otherwise everything is supposed to set and heal on it's own. Time will be the proof of this. It will be a wile before I am able to get on a bike again. Please continue to let me know of the great rides out there. I hope to join up with you all soon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 00:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2D5xh902903 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA22822 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from chpm3-1-42.olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:52:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:56:52 -0500 (EST) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: Mike T cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona (no finish results but a possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000312220846.00bb8aa0@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Mike T wrote: > Between last year's bar fights and this year's pathetic run, I don;t see > him and HD hanging out together much longer. What happend to Scott Russell today? I didn't hear anything about why he had to bail. (Other than the fact that he was stinkin' up the place) > Watched the race at home this afternoon. Amazing. My brother ruined the ending for me before I watched the tape tonight. But I swear when I saw the last thirty seconds of the race he was lying to me. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 01:10:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2D6Ag903076 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA23967 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from chpm3-1-42.olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:03:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:07:54 -0500 (EST) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Test Drive Cycles (PC Game) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000312220846.00bb8aa0@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just found out about this one: http://www.tdcycles.com And there is an interesting line on the first page: "Whether you're blasting through Washington D.C. on a Sportbike or winding your way through the deserts of Utah on a Cruiser, Test Drive Cycles combines superb user control, high quality high speed graphics, and sophisticated track design to deliver the most intense motorcycle racing experience available. " Now why would a national game company make reference to 'blasting through DC on a sportbike'? Wonder if they have yahoo accounts:) -George From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 05:22:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DAMg908212 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.4c.2bcfe4b (4364) for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:22:33 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4c.2bcfe4b.25fe1b69@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:22:33 EST Subject: Daytona Coverage-Not To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 I wanted to watch the race, but all I saw was the cameras and commentators tracking the top 3 or 4 for 57 laps. Made think that the other 47 people retired and went home after the green dropped. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 06:38:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DBcQ909386 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:38:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:38:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sunday would sure be better for me too. Here's hoping we can set it up on both days. Chris VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:28 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday > > On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Leon Begeman wrote: > > Large figure 8 - maybe Kirk or someone else can do > > another low-side demo (NOT) > > HEY!!! > > > I'll have it set up by 9 AM on Saturday March 18th. > > If the demand is there (or the weather won't > > cooperate,) we'll do it again on Sunday. > > FWIW, I can get there sunday but not saturday... > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 07:00:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DC0H909755 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:00:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:00:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I saw the race at the Revolution Coffee Bar in Herndon(?) last night. A very exciting race. Even for people who aren't usually race fans, I think this one is worth watching. Sure beats watching big boxes going around in circles for hundreds of miles (Nascar). Chris Weaver '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 09:04:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DE4Y913908 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.34.273c546 (4401) for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34.273c546.25fe4f67@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:04:23 EST Subject: Re: Revolution Bar To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 In a message dated 3/13/00 7:02:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > I saw the race at the Revolution Coffee Bar in Herndon Is this place worth going to? Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 09:08:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web502.mail.yahoo.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2DE8f913988 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13578 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2000 14:08:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000313140839.13577.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.171] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:08:39 PST Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:08:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lane Splitting? To: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > All this talk about commuting got me to thinking > since I will be commuting > when my VFR is fixed. > > Do any of you lane split around here? I know it is > illegal, but what are > the levels of enforcement on it? I've never heard of anybody getting written up for it, ever. Just to be safe, though, I don't do it when police are in sight, unless I'm in DC. There is no traffic law enforcement to speak of in DC other than red light cameras. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 09:23:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DENO914235 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:23:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'FGrefe@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Revolution Bar Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:23:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Well, it was rather nice and quite a pleasant place to hang out, but nothing out of the ordinary. Part coffee house, part beer/drinks bar. Not much in the place but the bar and lots of seating. They had a pull-down screen and a projection TV for the race. Design-wise, it had a wood floor and some interesting plastic and metal design accents. They had two race bikes (F3 and R6) on display, and apparently one or two of the folks who work there race at Summit Point. Revolution had reserved about three normal parallel-parking spots in front for bikes, but in the end I think only three street bikes showed up - a VFR and two cruisers. Given the nippy and blustery weather, it didn't suprise me much. Plenty of people came to see the race there. In the end, the main part of the room was almost completely occupied with folks interested in the race. I think there were a lot of Summit Point racers there, judging from conversations I overheard and a few folks I thought I recognized. Overall I recommend the place as a nice place to hang out to watch a race and possibly have a beer or two. Chris Weaver > -----Original Message----- > From: FGrefe@XXXXXX [SMTP:FGrefe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 9:04 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Revolution Bar > > In a message dated 3/13/00 7:02:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, > CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > > > I saw the race at the Revolution Coffee Bar in Herndon > > Is this place worth going to? > > Fred Grefe > GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 09:27:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DEQn914248 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: DCCycles Subject: RE: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:24:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 8:23 PM > To: DCCycles > > > Subject: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday > I'll have it set up by 9 AM on Saturday March 18th. > If the demand is there (or the weather won't > cooperate,) we'll do it again on Sunday. I vote for a Sunday schedule also, but since my wife will _probably_ be in labor, don't make any changes on my account. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 09:29:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web503.mail.yahoo.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2DETH914332 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16817 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2000 14:29:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000313142915.16816.qmail@web503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.201] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:29:15 PST Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:29:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Daytona (no finish results) To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian McCoy wrote: > Ok... guess I should quit bashing the riders.. can > I bash the MMI > comercial? They make it sound/look as if you're > going to come out of this > school and doing something other than changing tires > and doing grunt work... > LOL, yea-fucking-right. $10~14/hour doing the > dirty, disgusting work while > paying your dues... You mean you won't be Duhamel's crew chief after you graduate? MMI does glamorize things quite a bit. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 09:48:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2DEm5914655 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts016d30.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.235.42] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:47:47 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: MMI.. Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:47:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bf8cfb$203530e0$2aeb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000313142915.16816.qmail@web503.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > You mean you won't be Duhamel's crew chief after you > graduate? MMI does glamorize things quite a bit. Heh.. he didn't get his contract renued this year.. so MMI lost that 'sales' point. There are several race mechanics out there from MMI though.. Tommy Hadens 600SS mechanic (I know him personally) graduated from MMI about 6 years ago.. Not that bad of a deal.. but VERY over-glamorized... If anyone thinks of coming down here, please ask me about it first... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 10:37:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DFbt915608 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:38:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Someone on the list had pictures of a previous "Circles" event. I can't seem to locate it anymore. Does this still exist on the web and if so, where? Thanks, Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 8:23 PM > To: DCCycles > Subject: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday > > The first time we did this, There was a prize for the > winner of the circles, Collin won the Ducati while > riding Jeannette's bike, he said he wouldn't be here > this time, so someone else can win the bike. I won't > promise it'll be a Ducati, sicne I probably won't be > able to get one of those on such short notice. The > first time we did this was also the day the Tom and > Jeannette met. > > If we don't get thrown out, it will be held at the > commuter parking lots at Potomac Mills Mall. The > parking area is numbered 19 and 20. It is located > between Coleman Power Sports and the mall. To get to > the lot, take I-95 in Virginia to exit 158B. Follow > the Prince William Parkway to the third light and turn > left onto Telegraph Rd. You'll pass Coleman Power > Sport and take the first right following the signs for > Commuter Parking. At the top of the hill, turn left > again following the commuter parking signs. Turn left > into the 2d parking lot. > > Circles - 3 interlocking circles with an 11 ft radius > - good riders can do 6 laps in under 30 seconds. > > Cone weave - it will be set up to same size turns as > the circles, this should give people a place to > practice for time. > > Braking exercise - set up like the MSF course, with a > little luck, we'll see a few stoppies here. > > Large figure 8 - maybe Kirk or someone else can do > another low-side demo (NOT) > > I'll have it set up by 9 AM on Saturday March 18th. > If the demand is there (or the weather won't > cooperate,) we'll do it again on Sunday. > > Hope to see a lot of you there. Let me know what > you'd like to drink, I'll bring a cooler. > > Leon. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 10:41:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DFep915635 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:39:55 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B537@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Daytona Press Conference Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:30:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Interesting if you watched the race: http://www.amadirectlink.com/daytonadirect/2000/day7/sb-pc.ram From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 10:53:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2DFrl915901 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 13 Mar 2000 18:43:03 UT Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:50 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Brian McCoy" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:MMI.. Message-ID: <20000313105353719-4c1dc400@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey... I went to the Computer Learning Center (still over glorified today) ten years ago and felt almost the same way as you do about MMI... at least at the time. I will say this though... CLC just like MMI provides the student with the BASE knowledge to go out and do the job. It's the student's responsibility to make heads or tails of it and go out and be successful with what he/she has learned. When I was finishing up my schooling, I had already landed a job with IBM. I went to work for them after being three months out of school (they had a long interview and hiring process). How did I do this? I was the best I could be in my classes, I was there all the time, I worked in the school... both in the lab and in the admin. offices, and I kept my gpa high enough to graduate with honors AND be ranked in the top five out of all graduating technology classes in 1991. The director even read a thank you letter to the entire graduating class that was about me and my work in the school and also out in the field where I helped a local merchant keep their business running. (OK... enough bragging). My point is that you are the only one to control what you do with your schooling... I had graduate friends that are no driving tow trucks or doing whatever because they chose to just float through school and not learn a damn thing (they paid for the classes... they were pretty much guaranteed to graduate). If someone chooses to float through... then that person gets what they worked for... nothing. If someone works their freaking butt off to be the best of the best (which I know you're doing Brian... gpa looks great!) then that person can only rise above the rest and become the best in the business... I think you'll be one of those, Brain. Good luck! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: MMI.. Author: v4mofo@XXXXXX (Brian McCoy) Date: 03/13/2000 9:47 AM > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > You mean you won't be Duhamel's crew chief after you > graduate? MMI does glamorize things quite a bit. Heh.. he didn't get his contract renued this year.. so MMI lost that 'sales' point. There are several race mechanics out there from MMI though.. Tommy Hadens 600SS mechanic (I know him personally) graduated from MMI about 6 years ago.. Not that bad of a deal.. but VERY over-glamorized... If anyone thinks of coming down here, please ask me about it first... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 11:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DGAq916152 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id LAA04600 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:12:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000313111351.007ac670@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:13:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What time is this event starting? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 11:10:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DGAk916149 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25350 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:10:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:10:42 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: > Someone on the list had pictures of a previous "Circles" event. I can't > seem to locate it anymore. Does this still exist on the web and if so, > where? I saved some pics from that set but, predictably, they are of me... :) I think Bill took them... They were placed on the dc-cycles ftp thing so probably didn't stick around unless Bill kept the scans. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 11:17:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DGHI916309 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:17:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: DCCycles Subject: RE: DC Cycles Circles - Archive Info Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:17:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I found it, after an exhaustive (okay not that exhaustive) search on the archives. It's on John Kozyn's site. These are a few pictures from the 1998 circles event. http://www1.monumental.com/jckozyn/dc-cycl2.htm According to an old email of Leon's, the event went as follows: Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:05:39 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Spring Fling Riding Events. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After doing a quick recon of the streets near Dale and Tracy's house, the following riding events are proposed for the Spring Fling. The events and scoring are modeled after the Mid-Atlantic Police Motorcycle Rodeo. An additional event not listed below is a 60 foot slow ride inside a two foot wide box. The slow ride will have a separate prize. 1. An offset cone weave modeled after the MSF and Virginia riding test weave. There will be 7 cones approximately 15 feet apart with a 4 foot offset. 2. The circles event from the January get together. This consists of 3 circles in a cloverleaf arrangement. The circles have a 9 foot radius, with 4 feet of overlap. Six circles must be traversed, 3 times around in each direction. 3. Four consecutive 90 degree turns. Right, Left, Left, Right. The inside edge of the corner will be marked by a stick of not less than 3 feet height. The stick cannot be touched and the lines cannot be crossed. The path of travel will be 4 ft wide. 4. The braking event from the MSF course/Virginia Riding test. The event has a 44 foot timing section, with stopping distance based on the speed through the timing section. Rules: Each competitor may practice on the events as many times as desired. After sufficient practice, the competitor will notify the scorer (probably me) and ride through each event twice. One point will be deducted for each line crossed, stick touched, or foot dabbed. In the braking event, one point will be deducted for each foot past the recommended stopping distance unless the speed is above 20 mph or below 12 mph in which case 5 points will be deducted for improper speed. Those competitors who are within 2 points of the best score will be finalists. All finalists will traverse all four events without stopping between events one additional time. The winner is the competitor with the fewest points for all three passes of each event (The two previous and the final combined pass) If a tie exists, the winner will be the person with the fastest time on the last pass of the events. If you wish to make a change to these rules, submit the proposed change to me via the list. Final rule changes will be announced Thursday 30 April. Leon. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 11:24:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DGOb916403 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-238-36.s36.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.36]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12UXdw-0000Iu-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:24:32 -0500 Received: by 209-122-238-36.s36.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF8CDE.75A15940@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:22:47 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF8CDE.75A15940@209-122-238-36.s36.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> From: ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: MSF Beginners Course Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:21:07 -0800 Encoding: 33 TEXT OK people - here's the deal: I called PG Community College and after several phone calls and messages spoke to the lady in charge of the whole thing there. I explained that I have several friends that are really interested in taking the course, do not want to wait until summer, etc. She agreed to let me put together a class !!!!!! All I have to do is get at least 10 students, maximum of 12. They will supply everything else, including instructors (if they have a problem, she'll let me know). At the moment I have 7 people on my list, the rest is open. Looks like we'll do it either the 1st or 3rd weekend of April, which means thu. and fri. 6-9 PM and sat. and sun. something like 8 AM to 4 PM. The price is $155.00 for out of county residents, $105.00 for in county. This is the regular price this year for these courses. If they encounter problems getting instructors - she'll let me know (hint to the instructors on the list - ;-) If I have more than 12 students I'll make up a waiting list and if it fills up enough she'll consider opening another class. Email me if you want to register someone or have them email me. I'll need phone numbers and addresses. I'll get registration forms from her and send them out. Registration needs to end 2 weeks before the course so if we should get moving on this. LETS GO ! Niv BMW F650ST SUZ DR650 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 12:03:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web503.mail.yahoo.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2DH32917007 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12627 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2000 17:02:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000313170256.12626.qmail@web503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.45.18.20] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:02:56 PST Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:02:56 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: re: Lane Splitting? To: "John C. Kozyn" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John Kozyn is luckier than I am: I've been pulled over by Arlington police for splitting two lanes of stopped traffic on Rt. 50 before they join Roosevelt Bridge into D.C. So watch out for that spot. Sean Sullivan --- "John C. Kozyn" wrote: > No cop has seen (caught) me yet, but once on the Key > the bicycle cop > sitting at the end of the bridge watched me filter > around M street to > the first light. He didn't budge though. YMMV etc. > > JK > 95 VFR > > [Pic credit --> Bruce Norton] > D-mode > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 12:25:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DHPL917318 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:25:21 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B53D@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , "John C. Kozyn" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Lane Splitting? Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Did they give you a ticket? > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Sullivan [SMTP:redsullivan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 12:03 PM > To: John C. Kozyn; DC Cycles > Subject: re: Lane Splitting? > > John Kozyn is luckier than I am: I've been pulled > over by Arlington police for splitting two lanes of > stopped traffic on Rt. 50 before they join Roosevelt > Bridge into D.C. So watch out for that spot. > Sean Sullivan > > --- "John C. Kozyn" wrote: > > No cop has seen (caught) me yet, but once on the Key > > the bicycle cop > > sitting at the end of the bridge watched me filter > > around M street to > > the first light. He didn't budge though. YMMV etc. > > > > JK > > 95 VFR > > > > [Pic credit --> Bruce Norton] > > D-mode > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 12:28:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2DHSo917402 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13031 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2000 17:28:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000313172827.13030.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:28:27 PST Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday AND SUNDAY To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok. That's at least two who said they'd rather do it Sunday. I'll have it set up both days. Leon. --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > Sunday would sure be better for me too. Here's > hoping we can set it up on > both days. > > Chris > VTR > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:28 AM > > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > > Subject: Re: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next > Saturday > > > > On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Leon Begeman wrote: > > > Large figure 8 - maybe Kirk or someone else can > do > > > another low-side demo (NOT) > > > > HEY!!! > > > > > I'll have it set up by 9 AM on Saturday March > 18th. > > > If the demand is there (or the weather won't > > > cooperate,) we'll do it again on Sunday. > > > > FWIW, I can get there sunday but not saturday... > > > > Kirk > > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 > (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > > 1998 Honda VTR1000 > (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 13:27:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DIRt918333 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23756; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:27:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000313133413.00a1dad0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:34:39 +0000 To: Sean Sullivan , "John C. Kozyn" , DC Cycles From: Jeannette Zell Subject: re: Lane Splitting? In-Reply-To: <20000313170256.12626.qmail@web503.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sean, did you get a reckless for it or what? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:02 AM 3/13/00 -0800, Sean Sullivan wrote: > John Kozyn is luckier than I am: I've been pulled >over by Arlington police for splitting two lanes of >stopped traffic on Rt. 50 before they join Roosevelt >Bridge into D.C. So watch out for that spot. > Sean Sullivan > >--- "John C. Kozyn" wrote: >> No cop has seen (caught) me yet, but once on the Key >> the bicycle cop >> sitting at the end of the bridge watched me filter >> around M street to >> the first light. He didn't budge though. YMMV etc. >> >> JK >> 95 VFR >> >> [Pic credit --> Bruce Norton] >> D-mode >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 14:43:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web508.mail.yahoo.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2DJhI919556 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9525 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2000 19:43:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000313194314.9524.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.45.18.20] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:43:14 PST Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:43:14 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: re: Lane Splitting? To: Jeannette Zell , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well I'm not as lucky as John Kozyn, but I still got lucky that day. The motor officer who motioned me to pull over -- he and another officer had their bikes nearby -- was very accommodating. I told him I had been trying to change lanes but the opening had closed, leaving me in between the two lanes. He just wrote me a warning. However, he said he was letting me off the hook because he didn't see me for very long. He said a lot of riders split to get past traffic, and I had the feeling he would have given me a ticket without that story. This occurred in the fall, only a couple of days after Mr. Kozyn, who shares part of my commute down Rt. 50, saw me sitting in traffic and asked why I was waiting in line with the cages. I have since told him what happened when I took his advice, but I am afraid it has not turned him from his evil ways. ;) Sean Sullivan --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > Sean, did you get a reckless for it or what? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 16:19:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DLJH921121 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-203-100.s354.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.203.100] helo=cbxturbo) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12UcF6-0002DU-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:19:12 -0500 Message-ID: <01f901bf8d32$91bb0fa0$64cb7ad1@cbxturbo> From: "Swifty" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Fw: ON FINGERS AND BRAKE LEVERS Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:24:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony & Charlotte Beck To: CBX listan Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 2:50 PM Subject: Re: ON FINGERS AND BRAKE LEVERS > > > Dear Gilles, > > As a former expert road racer in AAMRR and WERA, I have to take exception > with you on the four finger brake. If you have lousy brakes that technique > is necessary, but if you have good brakes, you will eventually kill or hurt > yourself with four fingers. This is not only my opinion, Randy Renfrew > taught it in his racing class, and he has probably won more races than the > rest of us put together. He has passed me going seriously fast more often > than I would care to admit. > > First off, get an idea of seriously good brakes by riding a formula 1 or 2 > bike. The TZ 750 I rode would stand on its nose tapped out in 6th, with the > gentle pressure of only two fingers on the front brake. This is the energy > equivalent of stopping the family cage from 60 with two fingers. My Yamaha > 350 would easily smoke the front tire at any speed, with two fingers. I did > this in an MSF advanced course after getting the four finger lecture. The > instructors were blown away. After that, they checked how solid the front > brake lever is, and decided that there are exceptions to that rule. On > either of these bikes, the only way you could pinch your fingers is to bend > the lever, and these are seriously outdated brakes today. > > Second, throttle control is a lot better when you have two fingers on the > grip. This becomes supremely important when the rear wheel is 90% unloaded > (max braking). Any shifting screw ups can blow away what traction you have > left and very quickly lead to the back end passing the front. Sit in the > scoring booth at Daytona and watch the real experts pitch into turn 1, > downshifting with the rear wheel in the air most of the way, and 2 fingers > on the brake. > > That said, I agree, two or four fingers, covering the front brake all the > time is a bad idea. In a lot of situations, an inadvertent, instinctive > squeeze will blow what traction you have. In racing, this can be especially > dangerous if you blow and engine and have to get the clutch in really fast. > The natural tendency is to squeeze with both hands. > > If you need four fingers, your brakes need to be fixed (which cover 100% > of stock CBXs). The single acting calipers are the hardest to get right, and > 99.99% of street bikes come with them. These are the type with floating > calipers and pressure behind just one side. Walk down the starting grid at > any pro race where stock street bike brakes arent required, and you see > mostly double acting calipers. There is a reason for this. Single acting > calipers are flexible and have too much friction in the system. Still, they > CAN be fixed. Start by replacing the lousy stock brake hoses with steel > braided units. Next get the pressure brake light switch out of the system. > The best thing to do is get any junction boxes (splitters) out of the system > as well. Run a line for each caliper straight from the master cylinder (this > makes bleeding easier too). Now, get decent brake pads. The stock ones are > designed so that the typical rider wont get into trouble overdooing the > brakes. Get some race spec. pads. I like EBCs, but others are good too. If > this doesnt get you two finger brakes, youre talking Brembos and cubic > bucks. But, the advantages of really good brakes are worth the effort and > money. Once you get them fixed, keep them well maintained. There is nothing > worse than really powerful brakes that are sticky, spongy or not extremely > linear, especially in the rain. > > Thats my two cents worth. > > Good luck with the doctor tomorrow. I hope all goes well. > > Tony > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: GFIREAGLE@XXXXXX > >To: jmaxwell@XXXXXX ; cbx@XXXXXX > > > >Date: Monday, March 13, 2000 1:14 PM > >Subject: ON FINGERS AND BRAKE LEVERS > > > > > >>Mr. Maxwell and members of this forum: > >> > >>I have to take issue with the "article in MCN" on keeping two fingers on > >the > >>brake lever. Instructors in the Advanced Motorcycle Safety Course, and > >every > >>motorcycle racer (see racing photos), keep all fingers on the handgrip and > >>then use all four fingers (excluding only the thumb) on the lever to > brake, > >>hard or easy. I will also include my personal riding and racing > experience > >>of half a century. > >> > >>If a rider routinely keeps two fingers (fore and middle) on the brake > >lever, > >>then braking with these fingers becomes a deeply ingraned habit. When you > >>really need to brake hard, instinct (meaning habit) will squeeze the brake > >>with the same two fingers. Two very dangerous things happen: the other > >three > >>fingers get caught between the brake lever and the grip (it can hurt) and > >the > >>pressure is instinctively relaxed, but worse of all, your two fingers are > >at > >>the worst mechanical advantage vis-a-vis the lever fulcrum. Under these > >>conditions, brake force cannot be maximized. > >> > >>If a rider habitually brakes with four fingers, he/she will do so > >>instinctively in an emergency. No real reaction time is gained by keeping > >>two fingers on the brake lever. 'Nuff said. > >> > >>As they say in a firefight; if you got to think, you're dead. > >> > >>I rarely broadcast anymore, but in this case, discussion should continue. > >>I'll be out of circulation for a while due to an operation (tomorrow; I > >>originally had it scheduled for St. Patrick's day being an adopted > >Irishman, > >>but the Doc says NOW!) and possibly plural on this. I would like to thank > >>the many who have sent me words of encouragement. > >> > >>I have been ordered off motorcycles under pain of probable lower extremity > >>paralysis. The CBX stays with me for short supermarket trips. > >> > >>I'll be back, Gilles Fireagle > >> > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 16:45:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DLjY921587 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.77.22ad31d (3969) for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:45:18 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <77.22ad31d.25febb6d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:45:17 EST Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/13/00 7:02:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > Sure beats watching big boxes going around in circles > for hundreds of miles (Nascar). Ok... I feel the need to step up here and get flamed.... I *like* NASCAR. I've been watching NASCAR since I was old enough from my dad to take me to a race (Prob about 4 years old). I also grew up going to short dirt-tracks watching sprints and modifieds almost every weekend, as well as going to Indy every year for the 500. Of course, the reason I own a Harley is because I grew up with those too... my Dad used to put me on the tank of his to go to some of these aforementioned races. Hey... I'm from the mid-west, what can I say? But I digress.... NASCAR is actually pretty damn exciting sometimes. Yes, they simply turn left for 3 or 4 hours, but they do it at almost 200mph at some places, and at about 2 inches from the guy next to/in front of/behind them. And it's generally really competitive. ::shrug:: At least there you get good race commentary and camera work! BUT... one thing worth mentioning is that it wasn't always this way. If you ever get a chance to catch an old race (like on that ESPN classics channel) They used to have much the same coverage as we saw this weekend for the 200. In time, if the sport of motorcycle racing gets more popular (which it has in the last 5 years), things may improve. The biggest problem the sport has right now is very little sponsorship and support, especially from the people involved. I mean, look at the AMA - it's sponsored by CHEVY!! Last time I looked, Chevy doesn't make motorcycles. And look at the grassroots level like WERA and CCS at Summit Point. How many spectators do we get in a weekend? 500? Maybe a thousand (And that's being REALLY generous - a lot of them are friends and family of the racers). Go to Summit for a SCCA race - the stands are *packed*. This area has a LOT of motorcyclists (with lots of disposable income), yet most of them don't even know there's a road-racing course an hour from Downtown, and if they do... they don't come out to see the races. I'm going to try and promote our races at summit this year with posters and flyers, because I really love this sport. But the sad fact is that's about the only promotion the sport gets right now at the local level - the competitors' efforts. Ok... off my soapbox now :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 18:04:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2DN4u922882 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id m.71.16fc9aa (9613); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:04:44 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <71.16fc9aa.25fece0c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:04:44 EST Subject: Re: Fw: ON FINGERS AND BRAKE LEVERS To: cbxturbo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Hmmmmm, what was that all about? Couldn't figure out what either writer was promoting??? Having learned to race in an earlier "ahem" era I learned to use the throttle while keeping four fingers on the brake lever. Even a four leading shoe Fontana brake (the best at the time) really needed two hands on the lever to get any braking action, but my left arm wasn't long enough to reach. I like the two finger on the lever idea on modern bikes with good brakes, good technique for new riders in my opinion, but not for an old dog to try to relearn. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 19:19:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2E0Jm924100 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (user95.anent.com [208.195.115.95]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00533; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:17:52 -0500 Message-ID: <00d301bf8d4b$3dcd6dc0$0100a8c0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Ryan S. McClune" , References: <20000313035601.23198.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: update on me Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:16:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It's great to hear from you! I too have a damaged nerve in my left arm from a recent incident, numb inner forearm and a useless bicep. We should get together and compare atrophied muscles. ;-P Seriously, it is very good to hear from you and I wish you all the best for a speedy and complete recovery. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan S. McClune" > Hi all, > I'll keep this short but thought you may want to know > how I was doing. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 20:07:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2E17k924866 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12UfoF-0003t1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:07:43 +0000 Received: from [168.143.218.223] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Ufo5-0006HM-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:07:33 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:07:07 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: DC Cycles Circles - 4 events next Saturday Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" > Someone on the list had pictures of a previous "Circles" event. I > can't seem to locate it anymore. Does this still exist on the web and > if so, where? Not sure if you mean me or not, but I found these pics collecting dusty electrons on my server today: http://www1.monumental.com/jckozyn/dc-cycl2.htm Later, JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 20:12:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2E1Ch924955 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Uft2-00007A-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:12:40 +0000 Received: from [168.143.218.223] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Uft1-0003Ty-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:12:39 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:12:14 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: re: Lane Splitting? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: From: Sean Sullivan > Well I'm not as lucky as John Kozyn, but I still got > lucky that day. The motor officer who motioned me to > pull over -- he and another officer had their bikes > nearby -- was very accommodating. I told him I had > been trying to change lanes but the opening had > closed, leaving me in between the two lanes. He just > wrote me a warning. That _is_ lucky. > However, he said he was letting me off the hook > because he didn't see me for very long. He said a lot > of riders split to get past traffic, and I had the > feeling he would have given me a ticket without that > story. This occurred in the fall, only a couple of > days after Mr. Kozyn, who shares part of my commute > down Rt. 50, saw me sitting in traffic and asked why I > was waiting in line with the cages. I have since told > him what happened when I took his advice, but I am > afraid it has not turned him from his evil ways. ;) Nope. Not yet anyway ;) JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 22:46:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2E3kW927346 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:48:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:46:07 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.222 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:48:39 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: MSF Beginners Course Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:47:56 GMT Message-ID: <38d1e074.3439978@eriss.com> References: <01BF8CDE.75A15940@209-122-238-36.s36.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> In-Reply-To: <01BF8CDE.75A15940@209-122-238-36.s36.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2E3kx927347 woops didn't mean to send it to the list.. but oh well. my apologies all From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 23:01:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2E41p927570 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:47:54 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:45:21 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.222 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:47:52 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: ahalan Cc: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: MSF Beginners Course Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:47:09 GMT Message-ID: <38d0dd22.2589382@eriss.com> References: <01BF8CDE.75A15940@209-122-238-36.s36.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> In-Reply-To: <01BF8CDE.75A15940@209-122-238-36.s36.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2E41u927571 I would like you to add my girlfriends name Tavonna Wynn to that list, first and foremost. Then the following is a list of names I would like to add: Demitrius ?? ( I expect him to jump on it, i see him as a little brother ) Reggie A Taylor. ( he said he's willing to pay up front. ) Athina ??? and Crystal ??? (these two want to take it together, so i'm not sure about them.) Let me know if any of the above can get on the roster. I may also be able to come up with more people. Thank you. Daniel Meyers On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:21:07 -0800, you wrote: |>OK people - here's the deal: |> |>I called PG Community College and after several phone calls and messages |>spoke to the lady in charge of the whole thing there. |> |>I explained that I have several friends that are really interested in |>taking the course, do not want to wait until summer, etc. |> |>She agreed to let me put together a class !!!!!! All I have to do is get |>at least 10 students, maximum of 12. They will supply everything else, |>including instructors (if they have a problem, she'll let me know). |> |>At the moment I have 7 people on my list, the rest is open. Looks like |>we'll do it either the 1st or 3rd weekend of April, which means thu. and |>fri. 6-9 PM and sat. and sun. something like 8 AM to 4 PM. |>The price is $155.00 for out of county residents, $105.00 for in county. |>This is the regular price this year for these courses. |> |>If they encounter problems getting instructors - she'll let me know (hint |>to the instructors on the list - ;-) |>If I have more than 12 students I'll make up a waiting list and if it fills |>up enough she'll consider opening another class. |> |>Email me if you want to register someone or have them email me. I'll need |>phone numbers and addresses. I'll get registration forms from her and send |>them out. Registration needs to end 2 weeks before the course so if we |>should get moving on this. |> |>LETS GO ! |> |>Niv |>BMW F650ST |>SUZ DR650 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 23:27:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2E4R1927942 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:29:15 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:26:42 -0800 Received: from 38.30.47.222 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:29:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV (was RE: Nice quick little ride :-)) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:28:30 GMT Message-ID: <38d2e7a1.5277472@eriss.com> References: <20000311224458.12321.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000311224458.12321.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2E4R6927943 I wouldn't mind if the gov't created seperate roadways for fast and slow drivers. If I were king... i'd make laws like.. in the slow portion 10 mph over the limit = $150 fine 15 mph over = $300 fine 20 mph = confiscated vehicle. weaving in and out of traffic would cost $300 every entrance ramp would have a merge lane the far right lane would be a merge only lane the far left lane would be a pass only lane in the fast poriton there would be minimum and maximum speed limits set by posted signs and road condition. On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:44:58 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>--- Doug Allis wrote: |>> It seems there is lots of political |>> pressure in VA to reduce HOV |>> hours and cut the number of people needed to get in. |>> If the trend continues |>> I think all the HOV lanes will be just as jammed as |>> the regular lanes. |> |>I think HOV should be completely eliminated. The |>government has an obligation to provide sufficient |>roads for all citizens. Besides, if they eliminated |>HOV, they might think about less enforcement on lane |>splitting violations. |> |>Leon. |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. |>http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 23:32:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2E4WZ928036 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.244.231.85] (dialup-209.244.231.85.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.231.85]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17997 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:32:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003140432.UAA17997@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:24:27 -0500 Subject: HANDS ON DC (non-moto) From: "Marcy" To: DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi guys - the next email titled "Hands On DC' will also be non-moto and is a recruiting letter for a program to fix up DC schools and raise scholarship money for deserving DC students. Please disregard if you aren't interested. It will also come from my business email address. >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 13 23:47:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2E4lj928262 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.244.231.85] (dialup-209.244.231.85.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.231.85]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26477; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:44:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003140444.UAA26477@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:36:28 -0500 Subject: Hands On DC From: "Marcy" To: Reza Amani , Alison Farmer , Polina Grant , Richard Grant , Monica Larrieu , Janet Macintosh , Termeh Rassi , Bob Amani , Dante Cipriano , Chris Cooper , Susan Covich , Jeff Dietterle , Nick Galifianakis , Karen Hawkins , Brian Joyner , Beth Kanter , Andre Pineda , Kelly Young , Sara Andrews , Kevin Barney , Fernando Batista , Emily Blum , Tom Bonier , Jeff Byron , Jim Crounse , Jean Dunn , Amanda Goltz , Jeff Gumbinner , Trish Hoppey , Lee Huber , Jamie Koslow , Simon Madani , Bill McCann , "Trevor Parry-Giles" , Alan Salgado , Kate Schaeffer , Amy Young , Erik Rye , George Georgallis , Andrew Bradley , Kevin Collins , Carol Rye , Don Rye , DC Cycles , Rich Schlackman , Chris Norloff CC: fordckids@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3035835388_27823313_MIME_Part" > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3035835388_27823313_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi guys. As a mentor/tutor for College Bound for the last two years (www.collegebound.org) I have become acquainted with the Hands On DC program, which does two main things. (1) it recruits volunteers to go into DC public schools and fix them up with painting, taking care of the grounds, removing graffiti, etc. and (2) it asks those volunteers to get pledges (and/or to donate themselves) to raise money for college scholarships for DC students who might not otherwise be able to afford to go to college. >From what I've seen in College Bound, there are some very very bright DC kids out there who simply lack the resources to actually attend college. They need our help - and from what I've seen of the former College Bound students - who are now in college and who return on occasion to give words of encouragement - they are proving to be very worthy of any awards they might get. I am trying to form a team so consider yourselves recruited (as well as any friends you want to get to join you). :D Once I have a team together (at least eight people), the program says we will all be placed at the same school together so if you can get any friends to join, you can spend the day with them. You can check out Hands On DC at www.handsondc.org or call them at 202-667-5808. If you're interested in being part of the team, or in donating an amount toward the project, or in both, please let me know. It will basically take one day of your life (as well as some time to ask for pledges from other people) - April 8, 2000. On that day we will paint and mulch and weed and clean and whatever else needs to be done. And I understand there is a volunteer happy hour or something afterwards ... if not we can do it at my house. :D Any financial contributions are tax deductible as (and I quote) "Hands On DC is a service project of College Bound, Inc., a tax-exempt entity under [symbol]501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code." I do hope you'll join me. I think it will be fun! Please let me know if you have any questions. Marcy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MARCY RYE Principal FY EYE, LLC www.fyeye.net marcy@XXXXXX 202-546-6536 (ph/fax) 202-489-7400 (mobile) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --MS_Mac_OE_3035835388_27823313_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hands On DC Hi guys.

As a mentor/tutor for College Bound for the last two years (www.collegeboun= d.org) I have become acquainted with the Hands On DC program, which does two= main things. (1) it recruits volunteers to go into DC public schools and fi= x them up with painting, taking care of the grounds, removing graffiti, etc.= and (2) it asks those volunteers to get pledges (and/or to donate themselve= s) to raise money for college scholarships for DC students who might not oth= erwise be able to afford to go to college.

>From what I've seen in College Bound, there are some very very bright DC ki= ds out there who simply lack the resources to actually attend college. They = need our help - and from what I've seen of the former College Bound students= - who are now in college and who return on occasion to give words of encour= agement - they are proving to be very worthy of any awards they might get.
I am trying to form a team so consider yourselves recruited (as well as any= friends you want to get to join you). :D Once I have a team together (at le= ast eight people), the program says we will all be placed at the same school= together so if you can get any friends to join, you can spend the day with = them.

You can check out Hands On DC at www.handsondc.org or call them at 202-6= 67-5808.

If you're interested in being part of the team, or in donating an amount to= ward the project, or in both, please let me know.

It will basically take one day of your life (as well as some time to ask fo= r pledges from other people) - April 8, 2000. On that day we will paint and = mulch and weed and clean and whatever else needs to be done. And I understan= d there is a volunteer happy hour or something afterwards ... if not we can = do it at my house. :D

Any financial contributions are tax deductible as (and I quote) "Hands= On DC is a service project of College Bound, Inc., a tax-exempt entity unde= r [symbol]501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code."

I do hope you'll join me. I think it will be fun!

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Marcy


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>= ;>>
MARCY RYE
Principal
FY EYE, LLC
www.fyeye.net
marcy@XXXXXX
202-546-6536 (ph/fax)
202-489-7400 (mobile)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>= ;>>

--MS_Mac_OE_3035835388_27823313_MIME_Part-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 07:11:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web501.mail.yahoo.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2ECBD906135 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16811 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2000 12:11:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000314121108.16810.qmail@web501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.202] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:11:08 PST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:11:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: re: Lane Splitting? To: Sean Sullivan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Sean Sullivan wrote: > > This occurred in the fall, only a couple of > days after Mr. Kozyn, who shares part of my commute > down Rt. 50, saw me sitting in traffic and asked why > I was waiting in line with the cages. I have since > told him what happened when I took his advice, but I > am afraid it has not turned him from his evil > ways. ;) I'm with JK on this one....I didn't buy a m/c to sit in traffic with those caged idiots. And I think that most cops understand that splitting (safely) is one of the unspoken perks that riders get by choosing that form of transportation. -- tg > --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Sean, did you get a reckless for it or what? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 07:17:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web502.mail.yahoo.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2ECHa906290 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7866 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2000 12:17:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000314121733.7865.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.202] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:17:33 PST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:17:33 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/13/00 7:02:07 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > > Ok... I feel the need to step up here and get > flamed.... > > I *like* NASCAR. > In time, if the sport of motorcycle racing gets more > popular (which it has in > the last 5 years), things may improve. I'm pretty sure that m/c racing is the No. 1 spectator sport in Europe (perhaps it trails soccer, but only because there are more soccer games). I can't figure out why there's such a difference....stupid friggin 'muricans ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 07:48:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2ECm8906734 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:48:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:48:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200003140748.AA19726898@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Pathetic Commentary on ESPN X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX >This has got to be the WORST coverage of a sporting event I've ever seen on a >big network. Half the time the commentators aren't even paying attention to >their monitors and miss passes and other stuff. The other half of the time >they don't seem to be able to figure out who's actually leading (usually >because they missed the last pass that occurred). Agreed, it was incredible (I finally watched the tape yesterday). Their commentary seemed to be totally unrelated to what was going on. Then they would continue their patter when something important was going on, rather than talk about the racing. I wonder if they were watching the same monitors as we were? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 08:58:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from Draco.house.gov (draco.house.gov [143.231.86.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EDwf908276 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims01.HOUSE.GOV (hrmims01.house.gov [143.231.32.157]) by Draco.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA18737 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims01.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:58:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:58:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Actually, the number one spectator sport is Formula1 (and the highest paid athlete in the world is Michael Schumacher who drives for Ferrari). Hooray for motorsports. Why do I know this? While the sport is super popular across the globe, in the states you can only watch the races tape-delayed on a Sunday at 12:30 in the morning. Damn yanks. > ---------- > From: Tom Gimer[SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 7:17 AM > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not > > --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 3/13/00 7:02:07 AM Eastern > > Standard Time, > > CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Ok... I feel the need to step up here and get > > flamed.... > > > > I *like* NASCAR. > > > > > > In time, if the sport of motorcycle racing gets more > > popular (which it has in > > the last 5 years), things may improve. > > I'm pretty sure that m/c racing is the No. 1 spectator > sport in Europe (perhaps it trails soccer, but only > because there are more soccer games). I can't figure > out why there's such a difference....stupid friggin > 'muricans ;) > > > -- > tg > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 09:16:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EEGD908601 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:16:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Haring, Seth'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:16:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I'm with you on that, Seth. I used to go to Detroit for the Grand Prix back when Formula 1 was still racing there. WOW. Now that's entertainment. The pure sound and fury of those cars is just breathtaking. The whole city was wrapped up in it for a week. Going to those races was a treat for all five senses. (Later of course due to U.S. apathy, Detroit lost the F1 cars from that race - Not sure if they have them back yet or not) Here's to hoping that Superbike and GP racing eventually gets to be that big in this country some day. I'm skeptical that it will, but it's a nice fantasy. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Haring, Seth [SMTP:Seth.Haring@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 8:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > Actually, the number one spectator sport is Formula1 (and the highest paid > athlete in the world is Michael Schumacher who drives for Ferrari). > Hooray > for motorsports. > > Why do I know this? While the sport is super popular across the globe, in > the states you can only watch the races tape-delayed on a Sunday at 12:30 > in > the morning. > > Damn yanks. > > > > ---------- > > From: Tom Gimer[SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 7:17 AM > > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/13/00 7:02:07 AM Eastern > > > Standard Time, > > > CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > Ok... I feel the need to step up here and get > > > flamed.... > > > > > > I *like* NASCAR. > > > > > > > > > > > In time, if the sport of motorcycle racing gets more > > > popular (which it has in > > > the last 5 years), things may improve. > > > > I'm pretty sure that m/c racing is the No. 1 spectator > > sport in Europe (perhaps it trails soccer, but only > > because there are more soccer games). I can't figure > > out why there's such a difference....stupid friggin > > 'muricans ;) > > > > > > -- > > tg > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 09:39:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from indus.house.gov (indus.house.gov [143.231.86.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EEdq908900 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims04.house.gov (hrmims04.house.gov [143.231.32.160]) by indus.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22311 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims04.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:39:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:39:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Well, I have good news for all who are interested: Formula1 is coming back to the states. In September of this year the Brickyard will be hosting F1. This is the first time that they have been in this country since Phoenix in 1992(?). I guess my trivia isn't up to date. > ---------- > From: Weaver, Chris_(MD)[SMTP:CWeaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 9:16 AM > To: Haring, Seth; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not > > I'm with you on that, Seth. I used to go to Detroit for the Grand Prix > back > when Formula 1 was still racing there. WOW. Now that's entertainment. The > pure sound and fury of those cars is just breathtaking. The whole city was > wrapped up in it for a week. Going to those races was a treat for all five > senses. (Later of course due to U.S. apathy, Detroit lost the F1 cars from > that race - Not sure if they have them back yet or not) > > Here's to hoping that Superbike and GP racing eventually gets to be that > big > in this country some day. I'm skeptical that it will, but it's a nice > fantasy. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Haring, Seth [SMTP:Seth.Haring@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 8:58 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > > > Actually, the number one spectator sport is Formula1 (and the highest > paid > > athlete in the world is Michael Schumacher who drives for Ferrari). > > Hooray > > for motorsports. > > > > Why do I know this? While the sport is super popular across the globe, > in > > the states you can only watch the races tape-delayed on a Sunday at > 12:30 > > in > > the morning. > > > > Damn yanks. > > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Tom Gimer[SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 7:17 AM > > > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > > > --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/13/00 7:02:07 AM Eastern > > > > Standard Time, > > > > CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > Ok... I feel the need to step up here and get > > > > flamed.... > > > > > > > > I *like* NASCAR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In time, if the sport of motorcycle racing gets more > > > > popular (which it has in > > > > the last 5 years), things may improve. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that m/c racing is the No. 1 spectator > > > sport in Europe (perhaps it trails soccer, but only > > > because there are more soccer games). I can't figure > > > out why there's such a difference....stupid friggin > > > 'muricans ;) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 09:47:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EElH909048 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-13.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.141]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28362; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:47:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38CE7BEE.F94F254B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:50:38 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" CC: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a fantasy shared by all of us who have come to love non-US sports. Before getting into m/c-ing, I used to race bicycles. Bicycle racing is HUGE sport (professional, amateur, spectator) in Europe. The only time you hear about bicycle racing in the US is when Greg Lemond and Lance Armstrong won the Tour de France. And when the Tour DuPont was still around. Soccer. Formula One. GP/WSB motorcycles. Same story. It's a bunch of "non Americans" in sports that didn't originate here. As a result, Americans could care less. They care a little when an American is involved, but only then. Why do you think AMERICA's CUP gets so much media coverage??? I mean, how many of us can personally identify with that sport??? I used to race sailboats, but I know it's not something that everyone can do (afford) and not terribly interesting to watch (but lots and lots of fun aboard a boat!) And since the only American m/c manufacturer -- Harley-Davidson -- can't build a competitve racebike (or hire riders that can make the bike competitive; we won't mention any names but Scott Russell comes to mind!), there's even less interest on the part of the folks who make up the bulk of US riders -- those HOGS! %^) Here is my idea on how to improve the popularity of motorcycle racing (and actually the same idea for bicycle racing). Make it a betting sport. Allow people to bet on riders and teams. On individual races and the overall championship. Allow all sorts of side bets. Then people would be REALLY INTERESTED because big $$$ would be involved. Unfortunately, too many Americans could care less about anything that isn't American. They don't realize (more likely don't care) that there's a whole world out there. With a history that's richer and deeper (not better, just different) than our's. There's a whole lot to experience outside our shores that's fun and exciting. Motorcycle racing is one of those things. As a kid, I loved following Formula One. Me and another friend were the only kids interested in open wheel racing on road courses. Everyone else was interested in the Indy 500 and races that went around in circles. That's what seems to have captured America's imagination and fascination. And NASCAR proves this. Another explanation for why Americans don't follow GP/WSB motorcycle racing and Formula One (as well as bicycle racing and soccer): They can't pronounce all those funny names! Dang foreigners! %^) The funny (ironic) thing is that American sports seem to be loved around the world. I've got a friend in the UK who is an (American) football fanatic. And the Japanese just love baseball. Go figure. Happy trails, Chuck '93 GSXR750 "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote : > > Here's to hoping that Superbike and GP racing eventually gets to be that big > in this country some day. I'm skeptical that it will, but it's a nice > fantasy. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 09:52:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EEqk909137 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-66.patriot.net [209.249.180.66]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA10038; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:52:39 -0500 Message-ID: <38CE518C.84C3A116@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:49:48 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Haring, Seth" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Form 1 on an oval track? The drivers will have to caffienate serious to keep from falling asleep out of pure boredom. Bill Haring, Seth wrote: > Well, I have good news for all who are interested: Formula1 is coming back > to the states. In September of this year the Brickyard will be hosting F1. > This is the first time that they have been in this country since Phoenix in > 1992(?). > > I guess my trivia isn't up to date. > > > ---------- > > From: Weaver, Chris_(MD)[SMTP:CWeaver@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 9:16 AM > > To: Haring, Seth; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > I'm with you on that, Seth. I used to go to Detroit for the Grand Prix > > back > > when Formula 1 was still racing there. WOW. Now that's entertainment. The > > pure sound and fury of those cars is just breathtaking. The whole city was > > wrapped up in it for a week. Going to those races was a treat for all five > > senses. (Later of course due to U.S. apathy, Detroit lost the F1 cars from > > that race - Not sure if they have them back yet or not) > > > > Here's to hoping that Superbike and GP racing eventually gets to be that > > big > > in this country some day. I'm skeptical that it will, but it's a nice > > fantasy. > > > > Cheers, > > Chris Weaver > > '98 VTR > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Haring, Seth [SMTP:Seth.Haring@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 8:58 AM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > > > > > > Actually, the number one spectator sport is Formula1 (and the highest > > paid > > > athlete in the world is Michael Schumacher who drives for Ferrari). > > > Hooray > > > for motorsports. > > > > > > Why do I know this? While the sport is super popular across the globe, > > in > > > the states you can only watch the races tape-delayed on a Sunday at > > 12:30 > > > in > > > the morning. > > > > > > Damn yanks. > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > From: Tom Gimer[SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 7:17 AM > > > > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > > > > > --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 3/13/00 7:02:07 AM Eastern > > > > > Standard Time, > > > > > CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > Ok... I feel the need to step up here and get > > > > > flamed.... > > > > > > > > > > I *like* NASCAR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In time, if the sport of motorcycle racing gets more > > > > > popular (which it has in > > > > > the last 5 years), things may improve. > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that m/c racing is the No. 1 spectator > > > > sport in Europe (perhaps it trails soccer, but only > > > > because there are more soccer games). I can't figure > > > > out why there's such a difference....stupid friggin > > > > 'muricans ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > tg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:00:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2EF0k909301 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10718 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2000 15:00:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000314150043.10717.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:00:43 PST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:00:43 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: DC Cycles Circles - Archive Info To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've changed two of the events for this time. The cone weave will be set based on the turns needed to run the circles and instead of tight right turns, I'll have a large figure 8 (same size as the MSF course) to practice higher speed turns. I snipped the parts below that don't apply this weekend. The description of the circles is correct, if you look at the pictures on John's site, you can see the numbers written on the pavement for which circle to enter next. Leon. --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > I found it, after an exhaustive (okay not that > exhaustive) search on the > archives. It's on John Kozyn's site. These are a few > pictures from the 1998 > circles event. > > http://www1.monumental.com/jckozyn/dc-cycl2.htm > > According to an old email of Leon's, the event went > as follows: > > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:05:39 -0400 > From: Leon Begeman > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Spring Fling Riding Events. > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -snip- > 2. The circles event from the January get together. > This consists of 3 > circles in a cloverleaf arrangement. The circles > have a 9 foot radius, > with 4 feet of overlap. Six circles must be > traversed, 3 times around > in each direction. > - snip - > 4. The braking event from the MSF course/Virginia > Riding test. The > event has a 44 foot timing section, with stopping > distance based on the > speed through the timing section. > - snip - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:14:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFEJ909468 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id m.47.21ba5d4 (3972); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:13:48 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <47.21ba5d4.25ffb12c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:13:48 EST Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not To: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/14/00 9:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: > Why do I know this? While the sport is super popular across the globe, in > the states you can only watch the races tape-delayed on a Sunday at 12:30 in > the morning. Stop being held Hostage by your cable company!!!! Buy a DirecTV dish, get SpeedVision, see them all *live*. Or... I guess you could just come over and watch it at my house. I watch all the F1 races, and have a 65" HDTV. (Seriously - any F1 fans are more than welcome) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:17:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFHj909547 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id m.2b.2fe91d2 (3972); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:17:33 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2b.2fe91d2.25ffb20d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:17:33 EST Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not To: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/14/00 9:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: > Well, I have good news for all who are interested: Formula1 is coming back > to the states. In September of this year the Brickyard will be hosting F1. > This is the first time that they have been in this country since Phoenix in > 1992(?). > Oops - everyone is welcome to come over for F1 races, EXCEPT for the USGP. I put my ticket order in on Oct 1 of last year (The first day you could) and expect to get my 4 seats on the outside of T1 :) And it was 1990 in Pheonix. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:19:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web2902.mail.yahoo.com (web2902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2EFJB909557 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24729 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2000 15:19:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000314151908.24728.qmail@web2902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [156.40.65.36] by web2902.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:19:08 PST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:19:08 -0800 (PST) From: taw Subject: RE: wind shield advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HI all, I'm interested in adding a windshield to my 99 Honda Shadow ACE. Does anyone have advice on size and styles that would work best. I don't want something so big that it creates a viewing hazard. Is small the way to go? How big does the shield need to be to create a good funnel over the rider? I'm 5'8". Thanks for the help! Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:24:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from Draco.house.gov (draco.house.gov [143.231.86.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFOZ909636 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims03.house.gov (hrmims03.house.gov [143.231.32.159]) by Draco.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20392 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims03.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:24:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Bryan, What we really need to do is get a group of interested motorcycle riding F1 enthusiasts for a roadtrip to Indianapolis. And I may just take you up on it two weeks from now for the Grand Prix of Brazil. seth 98 Suzuki TL1000R > ---------- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX[SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:13 AM > To: Haring, Seth; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not > > In a message dated 3/14/00 9:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: > > > Why do I know this? While the sport is super popular across the globe, > in > > the states you can only watch the races tape-delayed on a Sunday at > 12:30 > in > > the morning. > > Stop being held Hostage by your cable company!!!! > > Buy a DirecTV dish, get SpeedVision, see them all *live*. > > Or... I guess you could just come over and watch it at my house. I watch > all > the F1 races, and have a 65" HDTV. > > (Seriously - any F1 fans are more than welcome) > > - Bri > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:26:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFQa909659 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 1.7d.23936da (3972); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:25:50 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7d.23936da.25ffb3fd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:25:49 EST Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/14/00 9:55:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Form 1 on an oval track? The drivers will have to caffienate serious to > keep > from falling asleep out of pure boredom. Tony George (The guy who owns Indy) has built a 13 turn, 2.6 mile road course at Indy, which has the contract for the USGP for the next 7 years. The track also uses a portion of the Indy oval circuit, coming onto the track in T3, and running clockwise (yes clockwise) to the beginning of the front stretch (exit of Indy oval T4) where it re-enters the infield road course. The track map looks pretty good. My first choice of seats is right at the end of the front stretch so I can watch them come into the braking zone at 200+ mph!!! Also should get a good view of the start. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:26:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFQs909670 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:26:53 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B554@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , Seth.Haring@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:24:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Brian: How about for the next Superbike race! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:14 AM > To: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not > > In a message dated 3/14/00 9:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: > > > Why do I know this? While the sport is super popular across the globe, > in > > the states you can only watch the races tape-delayed on a Sunday at > 12:30 > in > > the morning. > > Stop being held Hostage by your cable company!!!! > > Buy a DirecTV dish, get SpeedVision, see them all *live*. > > Or... I guess you could just come over and watch it at my house. I watch > all > the F1 races, and have a 65" HDTV. > > (Seriously - any F1 fans are more than welcome) > > - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:30:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFUW909845 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:27:04 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:12:03 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:16:34 -0500 Message-Id: <38CF9C84.46075B9@trw.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:21:58 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not References: <38CE518C.84C3A116@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They're not gonna race on an oval track because Formula one does not do that. They're probably gonna use the infield like the Daytone bike race...or maybe another part of the Brickyard complex. Randy Bill Huson wrote: > Form 1 on an oval track? The drivers will have to caffienate serious to keep > from falling asleep out of pure boredom. > > Bill > > Haring, Seth wrote: > > > Well, I have good news for all who are interested: Formula1 is coming back > > to the states. In September of this year the Brickyard will be hosting F1. > > This is the first time that they have been in this country since Phoenix in > > 1992(?). From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:30:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFUo909855 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-03.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.195]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11912; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:30:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38CE8624.2DD985E6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:34:12 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not References: <47.21ba5d4.25ffb12c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bryan, Three words: I HATE YOU!!! %^) Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Or... I guess you could just come over and watch it at my house. I watch all > the F1 races, and have a 65" HDTV. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:32:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFWH909865 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:28:51 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:22:01 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:26:23 -0500 Message-Id: <38CF9ED0.76557F0C@trw.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:31:47 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Non-Moto USGP-Formula One Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the deal on the track for anyone interested: http://www.usgpindy.com/press/2000/blundell-03132000.html It's a road course, based 40% on the famous oval. The rest is infield rights and lefts. Randy From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:32:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFWn909875 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from michaeljackson ([63.80.246.6]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05847 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: <004501bf8dcb$05f3bb40$06f6503f@spectrumcomputers.com> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <38CE518C.84C3A116@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:36:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Huson" To: "Haring, Seth" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not > Form 1 on an oval track? The drivers will have to caffienate serious to keep > from falling asleep out of pure boredom. > > Bill > > Haring, Seth wrote: > > > Well, I have good news for all who are interested: Formula1 is coming back > > to the states. In September of this year the Brickyard will be hosting F1. > > This is the first time that they have been in this country since Phoenix in > > 1992(?). > > > > I guess my trivia isn't up to date. > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Weaver, Chris_(MD)[SMTP:CWeaver@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 9:16 AM > > > To: Haring, Seth; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > > Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > > > I'm with you on that, Seth. I used to go to Detroit for the Grand Prix > > > back > > > when Formula 1 was still racing there. WOW. Now that's entertainment. The > > > pure sound and fury of those cars is just breathtaking. The whole city was > > > wrapped up in it for a week. Going to those races was a treat for all five > > > senses. (Later of course due to U.S. apathy, Detroit lost the F1 cars from > > > that race - Not sure if they have them back yet or not) > > > > > > Here's to hoping that Superbike and GP racing eventually gets to be that > > > big > > > in this country some day. I'm skeptical that it will, but it's a nice > > > fantasy. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Chris Weaver > > > '98 VTR > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Haring, Seth [SMTP:Seth.Haring@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 8:58 AM > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the number one spectator sport is Formula1 (and the highest > > > paid > > > > athlete in the world is Michael Schumacher who drives for Ferrari). > > > > Hooray > > > > for motorsports. > > > > > > > > Why do I know this? While the sport is super popular across the globe, > > > in > > > > the states you can only watch the races tape-delayed on a Sunday at > > > 12:30 > > > > in > > > > the morning. > > > > > > > > Damn yanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > From: Tom Gimer[SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 7:17 AM > > > > > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > > > > > > > --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/13/00 7:02:07 AM Eastern > > > > > > Standard Time, > > > > > > CWeaver@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok... I feel the need to step up here and get > > > > > > flamed.... > > > > > > > > > > > > I *like* NASCAR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In time, if the sport of motorcycle racing gets more > > > > > > popular (which it has in > > > > > > the last 5 years), things may improve. > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that m/c racing is the No. 1 spectator > > > > > sport in Europe (perhaps it trails soccer, but only > > > > > because there are more soccer games). I can't figure > > > > > out why there's such a difference....stupid friggin > > > > > 'muricans ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > tg > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:33:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFXT909885 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-03.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.195]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20744; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:32:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38CE869F.B8C53CA5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:36:15 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not References: <2b.2fe91d2.25ffb20d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bryan, Are you saying you don't trust us??? %^) Honest, we won't trash the place. Really. No fooling. Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Oops - everyone is welcome to come over for F1 races, EXCEPT for the USGP. I > put my ticket order in on Oct 1 of last year (The first day you could) and > expect to get my 4 seats on the outside of T1 :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:34:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EFYJ909905 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.4c.2ccb456 (3972); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:33:59 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4c.2ccb456.25ffb5e7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:33:59 EST Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/14/00 10:27:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > How about for the next Superbike race! That too... anytime these things are on, I'm watching them, unless I'm away racing somewhere. I'll start posting when stuff is going to be on and I'm goign to be here. I live in Alex, right off 395 and 495 - bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 10:54:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2EFsP910242 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA20087; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:54:17 -0500 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006005; Tue, 14 Mar 00 10:42:37 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FRF004HH4YDGD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568A2.00563ABC ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:41:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:27:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852568A2.005510C9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Chuck, I think this has to do more with American's love of all things fast. One of the reasons Indy is so popular is the sheer speed involved. Cars are now hitting 260+ in the straights. BTW, that pertains mostly to the Indianapolis 500. Indy and that "other league" also have roadcourses. Cleveland, Detroit, etc. are NOT ovals, they are airport or city tracks that combine the thrill of narrow turns and fast straights on the same course ... not a bad combination. Also, oval track racing (esp. NASCAR) is not as boring as people think. There are several skill aspects, such as position, team work, drafting and of course, the planning involved in pit/fuel stops. Although, I too, still prefer Formula 1. --chris Chuck Pena on 03/14/2000 12:50:38 PM To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not --snip-- As a kid, I loved following Formula One. Me and another friend were the only kids interested in open wheel racing on road courses. Everyone else was interested in the Indy 500 and races that went around in circles. That's what seems to have captured America's imagination and fascination. And NASCAR proves this. --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 11:03:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EG3X910436 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.48.2c307ef (3972) for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:03:21 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.2c307ef.25ffbcc8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:03:20 EST Subject: Also... FIM in the US starting in 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 While we're on the subject... I don't know if everyone knows this, but the FIM is also coming to the States starting in 2001. The FIM USGP will be held at Road America in Lake Elkhart, WI, and also has a seven year contract. It was supposed to start this year, but improvements and changes to the track could not be completed in time for the final approval of the 2000 FIM schedule. I simply CANT WAIT!!!! 500cc two-stroke GP bikes screaming past.... woo hoo!!! I'll defiantly be there. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 11:15:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from Draco.house.gov (draco.house.gov [143.231.86.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EGFJ910684 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims01.HOUSE.GOV (hrmims01.house.gov [143.231.32.157]) by Draco.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10368 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims01.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:15:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Daytona Coverage-Not Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:15:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I don't think Indy races have any more road courses than NASCAR does (Sears Point and Suzuka if I'm not mistaken). Many people confuse Indy with CART because they don't know about the split up. The majority of the competitive pilots continued on with CART even though they knew that they couldn't race at Indianapolis anymore (although a few of them switch over for the second most popular racetrack in the world). I think road courses and ovals are fun to watch for separate reasons. I mean how often do you see really good passing in F1 or road course CART? Very rarely unless you count the gnarly (and controversial) pass on Schuey by teammate Rubes at Australia. NASCAR and Indy on the other hand are chalk full of crazy passes and serious accidents. It's a sort of morbid excitement for all to enjoy. seth 98 TLR > ---------- > From: > christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX > ] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:27 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > Chuck, > > I think this has to do more with American's love of all things fast. One > of the > reasons Indy is so popular is the sheer speed involved. Cars are now > hitting > 260+ in the straights. BTW, that pertains mostly to the Indianapolis 500. > Indy > and that "other league" also have roadcourses. Cleveland, Detroit, etc. > are NOT > ovals, they are airport or city tracks that combine the thrill of narrow > turns > and fast straights on the same course ... not a bad combination. > > Also, oval track racing (esp. NASCAR) is not as boring as people think. > There > are several skill aspects, such as position, team work, drafting and of > course, > the planning involved in pit/fuel stops. > > Although, I too, still prefer Formula 1. > --chris > > > > > > Chuck Pena on 03/14/2000 12:50:38 PM > > > > > > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > cc: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" > Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not > > > > --snip-- > > As a kid, I loved following Formula One. Me and another friend were the > only kids interested in open wheel racing on road courses. Everyone > else was interested in the Indy 500 and races that went around in > circles. That's what seems to have captured America's imagination and > fascination. And NASCAR proves this. > > --snip-- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. > Any > review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 11:23:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EGNF910794 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-03.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.195]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12383; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:23:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38CE926E.9DF5B60F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:26:38 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Also... FIM in the US starting in 2001 References: <48.2c307ef.25ffbcc8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me too!! But probably only 2-strokes for the first year. Sounds like the move to 4-stroke GP racing is in the cards. Personally, I think this is blasphemy but what are ya gonna do??? %^) Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > I simply CANT WAIT!!!! 500cc two-stroke GP bikes screaming past.... woo > hoo!!! I'll defiantly be there. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 12:45:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2EHjn912213 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26748 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2000 17:45:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000314174543.26747.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:45:43 PST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:45:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: MSF course, MD To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Of course, as Murphy's Law would have it, as soon as I deleted the e-mail message about the person trying to find a few folks to set up an MSF course in MD, someone else contacts me who needs to get into a course soon. (buying a bike, it's been 3 yrs since they took the MSF course, no experience since) If that person could contact me and send me the info, I'd appreciate it. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 13:19:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EIJd912665 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12Uvu8-0004Pq-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:18:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:19:01 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not In-Reply-To: <4c.2ccb456.25ffb5e7@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cool, It looks like we'll be spending every Tuesday evening at Brian's house for the next few months ;-). On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/14/00 10:27:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > How about for the next Superbike race! > > That too... anytime these things are on, I'm watching them, unless I'm away > racing somewhere. I'll start posting when stuff is going to be on and I'm > goign to be here. I live in Alex, right off 395 and 495 > > - bri > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 13:33:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EIXv912901 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:34:01 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B55F@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: AIDS Ride: ISO D. Thompson, B McKeithen, J. Hoofnage, M. Jordan Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:31:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Folks: I was wondering if you decided whether to participate in the DC Cycles group for the AIDS Ride? Let me know soon and if you have any questions. You don't need to decide now, but I do need a guess of how many are committing now. Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 14:04:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EJ4q913425 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 14 Mar 2000 14:04:48 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Racing in the U.S. Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:08:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I hope the U.S. will support F1, GP, and WSB racing that is coming. I know the Canadian F1 GP draws huge crowds. I've tried to get tickets before. I suspect a large part of that crowd is americans. I think the Laguna Seca round of WSB draws a reasonable enough crowd, although not large by WSB standards. The AMA finals a couple of years ago in Las Vegas was pathetic. It was Chandler v. Bostrom with a 1 pt. difference coming into the final race. There were probably 30 people in the absolutely huge stands of LVMS. Attendance was probably a pathetic 1500 or so. Most people just hung out in the infield. All those huge empty NASCAR stands were just depressing to see. The USGP of supercross was there the next weekend with capacity crowds. Before the event they were talking about making it a bike week like Daytona. Afterwards, they canceled the LV round of the AMA series and killed the bike week idea. Hopefully, the GP racing in the US will be promoted by the supercross people, not by the superbike sheisters. It seems the current roadracing promoters can't get their act together (witness last years AMA management fiasco). Riders come from around the world to ride supercross in the U.S., but every AMA champ takes off to ride overseas. I think that might be a huge part of the problem. U.S. roadracing is the minor leagues, I'm sure Nicky Hayden's goal is not to be the AMA champ, it is probably to be a GP or WSB champ. The AMA championship is just a stepping stone. Hmm, now that they carry local channels maybe I'll have to get a dish this weekend. F montgomery cable if they don't want to carry speedvision. Never thought I'd miss media general fairfax. Jay From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 14:45:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EJjq914178 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03210 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:45:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:45:47 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Racing in the U.S. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Jay St. Peter wrote: > Hopefully, the GP racing in the US will be promoted by the supercross > people, not by the superbike sheisters. Motocross racing isn't just more successful at the top levels - it has a significantly more active grassroots as well, much like stock car racing (which gets fed from bunches of go cart racing type programs, dirt tracking, etc). Both motocross racing and stock car racing are also "total family" oriented. That is, everyone in a racing family will be at the race getting their hands dirty. Pee wee racing, both on mini MX bikes and go carts is big. MX is actually a big thing even locally. Show up at any of the local MX tracks on a race day and the place is packed. As an aside, I flagged at Budds Creek a few weeks ago and still have visions of this little 11-12 year old girl nailing all the big jumps on her KX80, her ponytail flapping in the breeze... This is on an international quality track (the World GPs come to Budds). Very cool! I'll be shopping for PW50s for my girls when summer comes around. :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 14:53:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EJr7914267 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03840 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:52:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:52:58 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Vintage MX/trials at Budds Creek Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Check out the flyer at: http://www.homestead.com/mavt/files/BuddsCreek.jpg Directions to Budds (near the Potomac River Bridge MD/VA border on US301) can be gotten from www.buddscreek.com. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 15:40:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2EKeV914982 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.133.21.37] (sdn-ar-003dcwashP053.dialsprint.net [206.133.21.37]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06835 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:40:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003142040.MAA06835@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:04:39 -0500 Subject: Re: MMI... From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have to agree with Tom, Brian .... you only get out of a thing what you put into it :D ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/13/00 >Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2000, 7:00 PM > > My point is that you are the only one to control what you do with your > schooling... I had graduate friends that are no driving tow trucks or doing > whatever because they chose to just float through school and not learn a damn > thing (they paid for the classes... they were pretty much guaranteed to > graduate). If someone chooses to float through... then that person gets what > they worked for... nothing. If someone works their freaking butt off to be the > best of the best (which I know you're doing Brian... gpa looks great!) then that > person can only rise above the rest and become the best in the business... I > think you'll be one of those, Brain. >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 15:55:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web502.mail.yahoo.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2EKtp915209 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6396 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2000 20:55:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000314205545.6395.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.45.18.20] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:55:45 PST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:55:45 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: re: Lane Splitting? To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I share your thoughts on safe splitting. Traffic jams are usually caused by cars and they are not affected by bikes filtering through, so why should we wait, especially when our bikes start to get hot? My story was just supposed to help flag a couple of areas where you might want to think twice because the police frown on such activity. Based on stories from the list, those are the suburbs in Maryland and Virginia. And of course, even if the police understand, you have to watch out for all the other drivers. Sean --- Tom Gimer wrote: > I'm with JK on this one....I didn't buy a m/c to sit > in traffic with those caged idiots. > > And I think that most cops understand that splitting > (safely) is one of the unspoken perks that riders > get > by choosing that form of transportation. > > > -- > tg > > > > > --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > Sean, did you get a reckless for it or what? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 16:17:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2ELHi915587 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15180 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2000 21:17:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000314211742.15179.qmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.70.85.208] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:17:42 PST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:17:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Fwd: AVON Breast Cancer 3-Day Motorcycle Crew To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A few weeks ago there were some postings about Motorcycle Crew for the DC AIDSRide. Here is another oppurtunity. The Breast Cancer Walk will work a similar way (the people organizing the AIDSRide organize the Breast Cancer Walk). Contact Kevin Elliott for more information. Louis > From: "Kevin Elliott" > To: > Subject: AVON Breast Cancer 3-Day Motorcycle Crew > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:03:07 -0500 > Organization: Avon Breast Cancer 3 Day > > Join the AVON Breast Cancer 3-Day Motorcycle CREW > > IF YOU ARE A MOTORCYCLE OWNER/OPERATOR, WE NEED YOU!!! > > Q. What is the AVON Breast Cancer 3-Day and the AVON Breast Cancer Crusade? > > A. Between May 5th - 7th of this year, more than 3,000 compassionate women > and men will take the first step on a life changing journey: the Avon Breast > Cancer 3-Day, a 3-day, 60-mile walk to raise awareness of and funds for > breast cancer. Since it was launched in late 1993, the Avon Breast Cancer > Crusade has funded some 500 non-profit, community-based breast cancer > education and early detection programs across the U.S. In less than seven > years, the Avon Crusade has raised $55 million for breast cancer through two > separate programs: the Avon Breast Cancer 3-Day walks, which since October > 1998 have raised $20 million net; and unique "pink ribbon" products sold by > Avon independent Sales Representatives. 202-466-7700 > > > Q. What skills does one need to serve on the crew? > > A. Commitment and a motorcycle. The AVON Breast Cancer 3-Day is full and no > longer accepting application for Crew with the exception of Motorcycle > owner/operators. As a Motorcycle Crew member, your primary responsibilities > will be to monitor walker safety and traffic. You will not be a traffic > officer, you will be a walker monitor. You will be stationed at a busy area > along the route but will have the opportunity to travel from time to time. > We also need trained medical like chiropractors, doctors, massage therapists, > nurses, physical therapists, and podiatrists. 202-466-7700 > > Q. What is expected of a Crew Member? > > A. The Crew will: > > a.. Register for the event. There is a $55 registration fee. > b.. Attend a Crew Orientation (offered and various days and locations for > your convenience) > c.. Participate in an All-Crew-Training on Sunday, April 2nd from > 1:00-6:30pm > d.. Sign-in in Frederick, MD on Thursday, May 4th, 2000 > e.. Attend the 3-Day, Thursday May 5th - Sunday May 7th 202-466-7700 > Q. What if I really want to Crew, but it is impossible for me to attend the > entire event? > > A. Then you are invited to volunteer with opening and closing ceremonies (May > 4th, 5th, and 7th), and other pre-event and post-event activities. Give us a > call, there is room for you, and we need you. 202-466-7700 > > CALL YOUR CREW DIRECTORS TODAY to reserve your space for a Crew Orientation > coming soon to a neighborhood near you! Call 202-466-7700 x13, Kevin Elliott. > > Check out our website at http://www.breastcancer3day.org. You can even > register on-line! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 18:47:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net (ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net [207.172.5.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2ENl3918049 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:47:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bits o' everything To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:55:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN01.Spg.Va/RCN(Release 5.0.2 |November 4, 1999) at 03/14/2000 06:55:37 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (lurk mode off) Brian (and anybody else thinking of any kind of trade specific school), I'm afraid that these schools all work pretty much the same way. Whether it's, MMI, Computer Learning Center, The fill in the blank institute, or in my case, culinary school, you learn the basics. Just what can be applied to the most general or common occurring situations. There's just way too many nuances, or sudtblties to know. These schools teach you X. And X is what your first employer is looking for there is no school anywhere that can teach skills like the proverbial school of hard knocks. Basically, we all pay our dues, one way or another. You have managed to save yourself probably 2-3 years of serious doo-doo by enrolling in this school. Take advantage of it, Pay attention. As far as revolution coffee bar goes. I used to frequent the Crow Bar. I loved that place. Somehow a coffee bar with a couple of TVs in Herndon just doesn't do it for me. Motorcyclist do need a place to strut every so often though. A bike night somewhere closer to town would be really nice. Whitlow's or Iota in Arlington would be nice. Nascar. Nascar was better before all the cars were restricted. When the rules were more open and there were no restrictor plates. Fingers on the Brakes. I use two fingers covering the brakes when I'm in any kind of traffic at all. I learned this when I used to race mountain bikes. Different bikes; same skills. Even more important than where you put your fingers, is your personal comfort/ confidence level. If your nervous or uncomfortable it doesn't matter how many fingers you put on the brakes. Eventually your going to get into trouble. If your confident in adverse situations you'll be more able to react in those really fluid situations that we all love so much. (Read Mom with kids, dogs, and dinner on the mind ,talking on the phone armed with a mini-van. Ok I'm done now. Much to the relief of many I'm sure. (Lurk mode on) ____ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 19:38:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2F0cY918953 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 5.5a.2800183 (3864); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:38:23 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5a.2800183.2600357f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:38:23 EST Subject: Re: Bits o' everything To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 While I always thought the the US system of education gives people more freedom, there are some benefits to the system used in Italy and much of Europe. At about 14 in Italy one has to make a decision that will determine their future, i.e. one must decide to go to a technical institute (3 years), magistrale (3 years) to teach kindergarten, a liceo classico ( 5 year liberal arts), liceo sceintifico (5year pre-engineering/medical), liceo linguistico (5 year to teach languages) or one leaves school and begins an apprenticeship with a "tradesman". The 5 year programs allow one to enter university. Most aspiring motorcycle mechanics elect to leave school and become apprentices with a motorcycle shop owner although some go to a technical institute for mechanical technicians first, then become apprentices. Theoretically they should be able to open their own shop sooner, but this not always the case. The end result is that if you make the wrong decision at 14 you are screwed as it is difficult to change track. On the otherhand, car and motorcycle mechanics in Italy are extremely talented. Most dealerships send cars and motorcycles to manufacturer certified independent shops which are specialized:carburatisiti (fuel injection/carburetor specialists), elettrauti (ignition specialists) and mechanical shops which have lathes etc. If it is a large dealership it may have a co-located service operation but often it is independent of the dealership and owned by a guy who once was an apprentice. This creates a very different dynamic business wise. Authorized repair shops are everywhere and have the manufacturers logo on them. It tends to increase competition and repair bills are much lower in general. Since the service operation is rarely a profit center for dealers (who have to compete with authorized mechanics) you pay list for vehicles or if you know the dealer or he is a relative you pay list minus 7.5%, prices are controlled by the manufacturer and a dealer gets 15% over his cost. Usually this makes it necessary for a buyer in all but the largest cities to order a vehicle, i.e. dealers don't keep much inventory. Hope I haven't bored you. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 19:44:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2F0iP919052 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 5.78.2a40560 (3864); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:44:05 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <78.2a40560.260036d4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:44:04 EST Subject: Re: Bits o' everything To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 In a message dated 3/14/00 6:49:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX writes: << Fingers on the Brakes. I use two fingers covering the brakes when I'm in any kind of traffic at all. >> I guess you are a young guy. Two fingers on a double leading shoe front brake is less than useless for slowing down a big British or Italian bike, not that four fingers were much better. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 20:15:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2F1F8919593 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12V2Ov-0001st-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:15:05 +0000 Received: from [168.143.218.171] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12V2Ou-0006iY-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:15:04 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: Tom Gimer Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:14:40 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: re: Lane Splitting? CC: DC Cycles Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: From: Tom Gimer > I'm with JK on this one....I didn't buy a m/c to sit > in traffic with those caged idiots. Hear, hear. > And I think that most cops understand that splitting > (safely) is one of the unspoken perks that riders get > by choosing that form of transportation. In DC, yeah they will Tom - the majority prolly. That being said, I did have an Arlington boy follow me up to my driveway when I "filtered" along Fillmore ready to make my right turn on my street. What we need, is to create a "critical mass" of riders willing to filter. The more that people do it, the more others' minds will be changed. That is how social conventions evolve after all, don't you think? JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 20:21:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2F1Lb919706 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from chpm3-2-105.olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.105]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:14:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:19:04 -0500 (EST) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: Boiade@XXXXXX cc: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bits o' everything In-Reply-To: <78.2a40560.260036d4@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > I guess you are a young guy. Two fingers on a double leading shoe front > brake is less than useless for slowing down a big British or Italian bike, > not that four fingers were much better. If he can do a stop on my sidecar rig with two fingers, I'd be damned impressed. -George From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 21:26:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2F2QH920726 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (208-58-193-235.s489.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [208.58.193.235]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15712 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:26:04 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000314212437.00c1e230@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:25:34 -0500 To: From: Mike T Subject: re: Lane Splitting? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:14 PM 3/14/2000 , John C. Kozyn wrote: >What we need, is to create a "critical mass" of riders willing to >filter. The more that people do it, the more others' minds will be >changed. That is how social conventions evolve after all, don't you >think? How about trying to change the law? What is the AMA's position (if any) and are they lobbying for pro-filtering laws? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 22:01:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web504.mail.yahoo.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2F31K921347 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8536 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2000 03:01:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000315030118.8535.qmail@web504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.197] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:01:18 PST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:01:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: re: Lane Splitting? To: Sean Sullivan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, bro....I wasn't criticizing you! Shit, I think we've probably done our share of splitting together. Prudence and safety are the the keys to splitting....the slower the traffic is moving, the better. --- Sean Sullivan wrote: > I share your thoughts on safe splitting. Traffic > jams are usually caused by cars and they are not > affected by bikes filtering through, so why should > we wait, especially when our bikes start to get hot? > My story was just supposed to help flag a couple of > areas where you might want to think twice because the > police frown on such activity. Based on stories from > the list, those are the suburbs in Maryland and > Virginia. And of course, even if the police > understand, you have to watch out for all the other > drivers. > Sean > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > I'm with JK on this one....I didn't buy a m/c to > > sit in traffic with those caged idiots. > > > > And I think that most cops understand that > > splitting (safely) is one of the unspoken perks > > that riders get by choosing that form of > > transportation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 22:16:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2F3Fw921574 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:15:51 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Racing in the U.S. Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:15:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01bf8e2c$bb0a8fc0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Jay St. Peter [mailto:jay.stpeter@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Hopefully, the GP racing in the US will be promoted by the supercross > people, not by the superbike sheisters. It seems the current roadracing > promoters can't get their act together (witness last years AMA management > fiasco). Riders come from around the world to ride supercross in > the U.S., > but every AMA champ takes off to ride overseas. I think that might be a > huge part of the problem. U.S. roadracing is the minor leagues, I'm sure > Nicky Hayden's goal is not to be the AMA champ, it is probably to > be a GP or > WSB champ. The AMA championship is just a stepping stone. There's a heck of a lot more money in GP and WSB than in AMA racing. Largely, I think, because the AMA couldn't promote its way out of a paper bag. Yes, I know, motorcycling in general is more popular in Europe and Asia, but it's popular enough here for MC racing to do better. There's a automatic market here of race fans that the AMA never touches. The stands at NASCAR, IRL and CART races are jam-packed week after week. And there are plenty of riders (mostly Hogly-Ferguson) in the stands. All of those eyes are into racing and primed for competition, but most of them will never see an MC roadrace. The AMA ought to tinker with the rules to make Harley Twins competitive and tie in with some of the auto series. Many of those tracks have road courses in the infield Run a superbike race Sunday morning, as a prelim to the auto race. I guarantee a bunch of those race fans are going to be sitting there with their mouths hanging open: "They're dragging their f-ing KNEES on the ground! Can you believe that s***?!!" Probably more eyeballs at one NASCAR race than at an entire season of AMA roadraces. (Probably could get more Harley riders to join the AMA at one race than they do all year, too.) NASCAR won't bite? Then tie in with some of the sports and GT car series. Still a lot more people watching those races than bike races. Yes, the promoters and riders will have to swallow some pride, but that becomes a bit easier when a bunch of cash is dangled in front of them. I'm hopeful that with a new president the AMA will also be willing to embrace some new ideas. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 14 22:45:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2F3jj922040 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12V4kf-0002OI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:45:41 +0000 Received: from [168.143.219.74] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12V4ke-0000g2-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:45:41 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:27:39 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Daytona Coverage-Not Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > That too... anytime these things are on, I'm watching them, unless I'm > away racing somewhere. I'll start posting when stuff is going to be on > and I'm goign to be here. I live in Alex, right off 395 and 495 Speaking of your hospitality Bryan, what's the word concerning a possible move of the DC-Cycles Tire Changer from Glenn's crib to yours? JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 03:13:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2F8DW926942 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts009d36.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.237.192] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:13:27 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: FIM Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:10:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf8e55$ee6739d0$c0ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX I simply CANT WAIT!!!! 500cc two-stroke GP bikes screaming past.... woo hoo!!! I'll defiantly be there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unless FIM does away with 2-strokes by then like they've been discussing for awhile... I, too, am excited about FIM GP racing coming back to the US... I hope to be there and involved with a team (woohooo... Brian McCoy - World GP Mechanic!) Cheers, Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 03:16:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2F8GP927034 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts009d36.phx-az.concentric.net (HELO tra) (207.155.237.192) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 00:16:22 -0800 X-Apparently-From: From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/14/00 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:13:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bf8e56$574da060$c0ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003150001.e2F01LC18257@dirty.meretrix.com> Yo, people.. just a reminder from those of us in Digest mode, could you Please snip your replys and not post in HTML stuff? Much thanks from Everyone in digest mode... Cheers, Brian McCoy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 07:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FCk6901724 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc478204a ([24.13.108.114]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000315124603.XIJI26477.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc478204a> for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:46:03 -0800 Message-ID: <001101bf8e95$cb090320$726c0d18@hwrd1.md.home.com> From: "Richard Sperry" To: Subject: F1 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:47:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sorry, I watch the F1 races live on Speedvision, Gotta love David Hobbs! From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 08:29:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FDTm902802 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:29:51 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B575@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bits o' everything: Biker Bar Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:27:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Couldn't agree with you more. If anyone has any contacts at Arlington or DC bars that may be amenable to bike nights, let me know. I am planning on organizing some nighttime weekend rides in DC. I have a nice loop which includes zipping under the Capital from NY Ave, checking out Hains Point (if its open this year), down past Potomac Park, under Kennedy Center and up into Adams Morgan then over to U Street to check out the sportbikers. If we have critical mass we could 'make' a bar have biker's night by just showing up. I head that Asylum on 18th is very biker friendly (cameras to watch your bike, helmet hooks). Anyone been there? > -----Original Message----- > From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX [SMTP:James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 6:56 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bits o' everything > > As far as revolution coffee bar goes. I used to frequent the Crow > Bar. I loved that place. Somehow a coffee bar with a couple of TVs in > Herndon just doesn't do it for me. Motorcyclist do need a place to strut > every so often though. A bike night somewhere closer to town would be > really nice. Whitlow's or Iota in Arlington would be nice. > E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 08:49:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FDnI903303 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:49:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stinewood@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.48.2c79374 (4538) for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:48:41 -0500 (EST) From: Stinewood@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.2c79374.2600eeb9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:48:41 EST Subject: 47 chief rims To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 I have an 18" rim for my 47 Chief that I'd like to trade for a 16" one. Any listers interested in a swap? Thanks Stine in DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 12:12:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web114.yahoomail.com (web114.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2FHCD907253 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3837 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2000 17:11:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000315171159.3836.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.49.117.219] by web114.yahoomail.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:11:59 PST Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:11:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mehran Subject: Dirt Bike Trails?????? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know of any places that you can ride a dirt bike around the DC, MD or VA area? Thanks in advance, Max __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 12:35:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2FHZg907720 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 795 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2000 17:35:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000315173540.793.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:35:39 PST Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:35:39 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: wind shield advice To: taw , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There are people who believe otherwise, but I think bigger is better. I make the height on mine so I can just see over it under normal conditions. I try to make it as wide as my shoulders. The goal is to block as much of the cold and rain as possible yet still be able to see over the windshield so I don't have to clean it. Come to Circles on Saturday or Sunday. Parking lots 19 and 20 Potomac Mills Mall. 9AM to 2PM each day. I'll have a bike with a big windshield. Leon. --- taw wrote: > HI all, > I'm interested in adding a windshield to my 99 Honda > Shadow ACE. Does > anyone have advice on size and styles that would > work best. I don't > want something so big that it creates a viewing > hazard. Is small the > way to go? How big does the shield need to be to > create a good funnel > over the rider? I'm 5'8". > Thanks for the help! > Tom > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 12:38:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FHcf907738 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.22.37] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP299.dialsprint.net [168.191.22.37]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10645; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:38:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003151738.JAA10645@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:27:26 -0500 Subject: programmer jobs (NON-MOTO) From: "Marcy" To: DC Cycles CC: bdjoy13@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A friend of mine sent me the email below ... I know there's a bunch of programmers on this list so I figured a new job might be just the ticket for someone to get a NEW BIKE (<-----content! see?) ;D IF you are interested, please do NOT respond to me - respond directly to Bryan at bdjoy13@XXXXXX >Do you know any programmers? I have two positions open with a company that >is in need of people asap, Here are the specs: >PROGRAMMERS: >Implementation Analysts >Motivated self-starters with high level Foxpro, VB or MS SQL skills and min. >2 yrs work history. Crystal reports also desirable. Accounting/ finance >background & prior work with Assns. or non-profits also a plus. >PROGRAMMERS: >Database/Web developers >Mature developer with 3 years of VB plus HTML and ASP programming; Web page >design exper a plus. Excellent communication skills & Customer Support >highly desirable. SQL Server/SP experience also a plus. > >If you know anyone with these skills, let me know. > > >The contractor is the Westwood Group, but the position itself is at Avectra >in Reston. It's a small database company for associations. >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 12:40:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FHeb907761 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.22.37] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP299.dialsprint.net [168.191.22.37]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17794 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:40:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003151740.JAA17794@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:29:28 -0500 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/14/00 From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/14/00 >Date: Tue, Mar 14, 2000, 7:01 PM > > the far right lane would be a merge only lane > the far left lane would be a pass only lane what about when you only have a two-lane road? hehehehehehehehehehe >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 13:12:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FICX908364 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.22.37] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP299.dialsprint.net [168.191.22.37]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16751 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:11:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003151811.JAA16751@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:37:29 -0500 Subject: Mechanic Courses From: "Marcy" To: DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anybody know of a good place to take a basic moto-mechanic class? I've managed to figure out some things by just taking it apart and putting it back together again but I'd like to have a better idea of what I'm doing, or where to start looking when something goes wrong ... and for example I'd like to know how to use a voltmeter or whatever those things are called that measure the juice in the battery - especially since my particular type of bike tends to have electrical problems often ... TIA! >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 13:41:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FIfp908900 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:41:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:41:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200003151341.AA717292286@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: RE: wind shield advice X-Mailer: > I'll have a bike with a big windshield. More like a windshield to which you've attached a little bike. :) Can't wait for the circles - got some hero pegs that need a fresh scrubbing. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 14:11:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FJBl909446 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.86.17ba47c (3996); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:11:24 -0500 (EST) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86.17ba47c.26013a5b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:11:23 EST Subject: Re: Dirt Bike Trails?????? To: mehran7@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Max, Personally I am a sports bike man myself...but I do love to ride dirt bikes also. If you have the time there is a great dirt bike trail in WV...right outside of Clarksburg, WV...which is probably about 45 minutes away from Morgantown, WV. This place is exactly 3 1/2 hours from the DC area. It is not a bad ride to get there, and there is a mall, places to eat (good Italian places), and nice golf courses up that way if you are interested in it. The trail is actually designed as a motocross trail so it has obstacles, steep hills, and then some.....you have to have skills to ride it because there are guys and gals on four wheelers and dirtbikes. But it is worth it. If you are interested e-mail me and I will try to get you more info as soon as I can. B.Banks From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 14:45:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FJjH910169 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:45:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:45:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200003151445.AA100926190@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: RE: wind shield advice X-Mailer: >The goal is to block as much of the cold and rain as >possible yet still be able to see over the windshield >so I don't have to clean it. It's now getting to the time of year when I'm considering pulling off the shield and running with just the Rifle base again, like I did last summer. The big shield I've got now blocks the cold and rain pretty well, but it's still kind of noisy. I hate noise. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 16:02:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f201.hotmail.com [209.185.130.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2FL2R911419 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:02:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12879 invoked by uid 0); 15 Mar 2000 21:02:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000315210206.12878.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:02:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride to Conference Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:02:06 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Taking a trip to Rocky Gap (near Cumberland Md) for an overnight conference tomorrow and friday. Leaving Springfield VA at 7:00am and don't have to be at conference until 11:30-12:00. Directions say its about a 140 mile trip up I-270, 70 and 68. Sounds booooring. Assuming the weather is ok, any one got a suggested route through VA, WVA or Md that's more fun and not on the interstate? Anyone want to join me for the trip up? You get to spend the rest of the day riding back while get to sit in darkened conference room at government expense. Thanks! Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX w: 202-482-5985 h: 703-912-9576 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 16:17:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FLHo911691 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-203-14.s268.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.203.14] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VLAN-0006Ur-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:17:19 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bayliss - Was: Pathetic Commentary on ESPN Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:16:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bf8ec3$c1f09680$0ecb7ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Bayliss - SuperBike champ in the UK - and a damned ballsy rider. I was at this 59th running and witnessed his seemingly careless braking manuevers in turns 1 and the exit to wall. The guy just rode his 10/10ths up until he lowsided on what was probably an overcooked front tire - he kept avoiding a pit out for some reason. I believe, had he finished, Bayliss would have won this race. Todd ------------------------------------ From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:30:57 EST Subject: Re: Pathetic Commentary on ESPN To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually it looked to me that the Ducati was actually faster at the worst kind of track for it, i.e. a NASCAR track. Bayliss appeared to be able to pass Hayden whenever he wanted to, taking any kind of crazy line he wanted. He sometimes went high on the bank sometimes low and never seemed to take the same line in the chicane. Says alot about the Ducati. The guy had never seen Daytona and was in the lead quite a bit. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 17:08:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net (ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net [207.172.5.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FM85912542 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:08:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: Bits o' everything: Biker Bar To: Mark Kitchell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:16:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN01.Spg.Va/RCN(Release 5.0.2 |November 4, 1999) at 03/15/2000 05:16:41 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to hang out at the Asylum way back when it was on 9th St. Then when it was on U St. I just haven't got back in the habit yet. I used to be pretty good friends with the owner, Jimmy. What about taking over Galaxy Hut in Arlington one night a week? It's kinda small and doesn't have a pool table or a patio though. I do like the on street parking once you get 10-15 bikes though, good spectacle. Carpool might be able to be talked into it. Or maybe we should just crash Jeanette & Tom's place every Weds. ;^) They can't hit you, if they can't catch you James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 17:23:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FMN9912791 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12788 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from web215.mail.yahoo.com (web215.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA22461 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14047 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2000 22:22:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000315222259.14046.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.104.54.1] by web215.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:22:59 PST Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:22:59 -0800 (PST) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: Frame Sliders To: dc DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wanted to see if anyone on this list has had any experience with frame sliders. I crashed my 1995 Suzuki RF900 going about 20-30mph (cold tires) a few weeks ago and I think my bike is going to be totalled! That probably is mostly due to the fact that my bike is not worth much more than $5k but the replacement plastic is just so expensive! Anyway, I am thinking about replacing it with a 98/99 ZX-7 and am planning on putting those frame sliders on it. Has anyone been down with these on? Do they really protect the fairing? If not, are there any other alternatives? I really don't want to have to go through this again if I lay my bike down at such slow speeds. Thanks in advance for any input. --Paresh ex 1995 Suzuki RF900 (and looking) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 17:28:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FMSm912868 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA21166; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:28:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000315173437.009fa8f0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:35:19 +0000 To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: Bits o' everything: Biker Bar Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sure, especially if we get help cleaning up after the puppies! Everyone come over and play with a pup! ; ) Take one home, even! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 05:16 PM 3/15/00 -0500, James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX wrote: > >I used to hang out at the Asylum way back when it was on 9th St. Then when >it was on U St. I just haven't got back in the habit yet. I used to be >pretty good friends with the owner, Jimmy. What about taking over Galaxy >Hut in Arlington one night a week? It's kinda small and doesn't have a >pool table or a patio though. I do like the on street parking once you get >10-15 bikes though, good spectacle. Carpool might be able to be talked >into it. Or maybe we should just crash Jeanette & Tom's place every Weds. >;^) > >They can't hit you, >if they can't catch you >James >E-TKT > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 17:30:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FMTx912878 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:29:48 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B59B@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Jeannette Zell'" , James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bits o' everything: Biker Bar Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:27:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Would you lend one out? Best way to pick up girls (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [SMTP:jzell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:35 PM > To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX; Mark Kitchell > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Bits o' everything: Biker Bar > > Sure, especially if we get help cleaning up after the puppies! > Everyone come over and play with a pup! ; ) > Take one home, even! : ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 05:16 PM 3/15/00 -0500, James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >I used to hang out at the Asylum way back when it was on 9th St. Then > when > >it was on U St. I just haven't got back in the habit yet. I used to be > >pretty good friends with the owner, Jimmy. What about taking over Galaxy > >Hut in Arlington one night a week? It's kinda small and doesn't have a > >pool table or a patio though. I do like the on street parking once you > get > >10-15 bikes though, good spectacle. Carpool might be able to be talked > >into it. Or maybe we should just crash Jeanette & Tom's place every > Weds. > >;^) > > > >They can't hit you, > >if they can't catch you > >James > >E-TKT > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 17:30:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.nai.com (relay2.nai.com [161.69.3.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FMUb912962 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by relay2.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10161 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Wed Mar 15 14:36:31 2000 -0800 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:29:32 -0800 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2B13@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Doug Allis'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Conference Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:26:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug, Take Route 50 West to Romney, WV. In the center of town, take Route 28 North to Cumberland. Pretty fun roads. There are variants of this, including taking 50 over towards Keyser, WV and then take 220 North to Cumberland. Regards, Perry p.s. Obey the speed limits in the towns, especially Romney!!! -----Original Message----- From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 1:02 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride to Conference Taking a trip to Rocky Gap (near Cumberland Md) for an overnight conference tomorrow and friday. Leaving Springfield VA at 7:00am and don't have to be at conference until 11:30-12:00. Directions say its about a 140 mile trip up I-270, 70 and 68. Sounds booooring. Assuming the weather is ok, any one got a suggested route through VA, WVA or Md that's more fun and not on the interstate? Anyone want to join me for the trip up? You get to spend the rest of the day riding back while get to sit in darkened conference room at government expense. Thanks! Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX w: 202-482-5985 h: 703-912-9576 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 17:32:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FMWr912982 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA21232; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:32:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000315173848.00a00f10@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:39:35 +0000 To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: Bits o' everything: Biker Bar Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B59B@QSI_TYSONS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, that's why I won't let Tom outta the house with 'em! hee hee Naw, but seriously, you're right! He got more attention when Hera was little than he ever got before! : ) At 05:27 PM 3/15/00 -0500, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Would you lend one out? Best way to pick up girls (-: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeannette Zell [SMTP:jzell@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:35 PM >> To: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX; Mark Kitchell >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: Bits o' everything: Biker Bar >> >> Sure, especially if we get help cleaning up after the puppies! >> Everyone come over and play with a pup! ; ) >> Take one home, even! : ) >> >> - Jeannette >> '86 VFR 700 F2 >> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >> >> At 05:16 PM 3/15/00 -0500, James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX wrote: >> > >> >I used to hang out at the Asylum way back when it was on 9th St. Then >> when >> >it was on U St. I just haven't got back in the habit yet. I used to be >> >pretty good friends with the owner, Jimmy. What about taking over Galaxy >> >Hut in Arlington one night a week? It's kinda small and doesn't have a >> >pool table or a patio though. I do like the on street parking once you >> get >> >10-15 bikes though, good spectacle. Carpool might be able to be talked >> >into it. Or maybe we should just crash Jeanette & Tom's place every >> Weds. >> >;^) >> > >> >They can't hit you, >> >if they can't catch you >> >James >> >E-TKT >> > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 18:00:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FN09913451 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12901 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA24653 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-245.patriot.net [209.249.180.245]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07727; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:57:54 -0500 Message-ID: <38D014C4.49509A80@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:55:00 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paresh Karandikar CC: dc DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Frame Sliders References: <20000315222259.14046.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frame sliders? Are they like the not-intended-for-crash-protection ***chrome*** bars on my Hawg? I low sided my `93 bagger at about 25 knots (wet roads and too many fingers on the brake lever) a couple years ago and it sorta slid, not ever completely going on it's side. Damage report (tic tic tic on the adding machine *kerchung*) about $250 if I wanted to replace the bag gaurd bar and the footrest - I mean non-crash bar in front, but all they had were little grindy spots on the lower corner, which couldn't be seen anyway. Recalling that event, anyone know where I can get ass-sliders? Wore my Yosemite Sam "back off!" tattoo right off *ouch*. Bill Paresh Karandikar wrote: > I wanted to see if anyone on this list has had any > experience with frame sliders. I crashed my 1995 > Suzuki RF900 going about 20-30mph (cold tires) a few > weeks ago and I think my bike is going to be totalled! > That probably is mostly due to the fact that my bike > is not worth much more than $5k but the replacement > plastic is just so expensive! > > Anyway, I am thinking about replacing it with a 98/99 > ZX-7 and am planning on putting those frame sliders on > it. Has anyone been down with these on? Do they > really protect the fairing? If not, are there any > other alternatives? I really don't want to have to go > through this again if I lay my bike down at such slow > speeds. Thanks in advance for any input. > > --Paresh > ex 1995 Suzuki RF900 (and looking) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 18:56:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2FNus914276 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11613 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:56:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:56:51 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Dirt Bike Trails?????? In-Reply-To: <20000315171159.3836.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Mehran wrote: > Does anyone know of any places that you can ride a > dirt bike around the DC, MD or VA area? There are actually quite a few places. Where are you located? Also, check out www.onelist.com/group/dcoffroad. That's the web page for a fairly new dc vicinity dirt bike e-mail list. There's a group ride coming up in the Taskers Gap area of the GW Forest on April 1. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 19:11:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2G0BN914548 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13114 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:11:19 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA01460 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.e8.29e315f (3953); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:10:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:10:29 EST Subject: Re: Frame Sliders To: pkarandi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 In a message dated 3/15/2000 5:25:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, pkarandi@XXXXXX writes: << Anyway, I am thinking about replacing it with a 98/99 ZX-7 and am planning on putting those frame sliders on it. Has anyone been down with these on? Do they really protect the fairing? If not, are there any other alternatives? I really don't want to have to go through this again if I lay my bike down at such slow speeds. Thanks in advance for any input. --Paresh >> No personal experience with them but, I just ordered frame, swingarm, bar & clutch sliders from Intuitive Racing. Everyone I know who has them swear by them in a get off. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 20:29:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2G1TM915803 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA17556; Wed, 15 Mar 1972 20:33:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1972 20:33:02 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yamaha xj-650 maxim Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been given a 1981 650 Maxim with no title or carbs. Looks like it's in good shape otherwise (but can't really tell). So...anybody got carbs or a parts bike for sale/trade? --garcia From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 20:35:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2G1Zk915985 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-144-203.s12.as3.fdk.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.144.203] helo=home) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VPBv-00032i-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:35:12 -0500 Message-ID: <003901bf8ee8$29520060$cb90accf@home> From: "Frank Yagy" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:37:11 -0500 Organization: US Army MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BF8EBE.3D5515E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Disposition-Notification-To: "Frank Yagy" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BF8EBE.3D5515E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BF8EBE.3D5515E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BF8EBE.3D5515E0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 21:16:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2G2Gp916587 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-246-16.s524.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.246.16] helo=209-122-205-108.s108.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VPpg-0001pA-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:16:16 -0500 Received: by 209-122-205-108.s108.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF8EC3.7BEC16A0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:14:43 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF8EC3.7BEC16A0@209-122-205-108.s108.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> From: ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: MSF Beginner's Course - Update Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:12:34 -0800 Encoding: 27 TEXT Basically I now have a full class and coming up on another 10 on the waiting list. I'll write up my list tomorrow and finish answering everybody's email so that everyone knows how they're positioned for this. I've spoken to the college and they seem a bit perplexed by how this developed and are still now sure how to handle this - they are NOT opening official registration yet and have yet to decide how the registration will be handled. Seems there's a miscommunication between the MSF and the college here but I hope it will be resolved shortly. The MSF might not be happy to give a class on Easter weekend (the 3rd weekend of April). If that is the case we'll go for the 4th weekend. I'll post an update as soon as I have anything new. Ryan- sorry I didn't call you yesterday - I'm just extremely busy. Left a message on your voice mail today. In addition - I will be out of country next week but will keep on this through the wonderful world of the internet. If any physical (i.e. snail mail etc) work will be required I have someone who will take care of it while I'm away. Niv BMW F650ST SUZ DR650 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 23:10:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2G4AQ918618 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-245.patriot.net [209.249.180.245]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA08116; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:10:21 -0500 Message-ID: <38D05E00.E06A24C2@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:07:28 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ahalan CC: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: MSF Beginner's Course - Update References: <01BF8EC3.7BEC16A0@209-122-205-108.s108.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you joking? PG hasn't opened registration yet? Methinks VA is starting classes this or next weekend. Far as I know, holiday weekends are class weekends. Last year I sacrificed Rolling Thunder to teach a class. MSF is an enabling organization - I beleive schedule details are left up to the particular site. What you're doing is commendable - going in as agroup, and I wish you great success. Bill ahalan wrote: > Basically I now have a full class and coming up on another 10 on the > waiting list. > I'll write up my list tomorrow and finish answering everybody's email so > that everyone knows how they're positioned for this. > > I've spoken to the college and they seem a bit perplexed by how this > developed and are still now sure how to handle this - they are NOT opening > official registration yet and have yet to decide how the registration will > be handled. Seems there's a miscommunication between the MSF and the > college here but I hope it will be resolved shortly. The MSF might not be > happy to give a class on Easter weekend (the 3rd weekend of April). If > that is the case we'll go for the 4th weekend. > > I'll post an update as soon as I have anything new. > > Ryan- sorry I didn't call you yesterday - I'm just extremely busy. Left a > message on your voice mail today. > > In addition - I will be out of country next week but will keep on this > through the wonderful world of the internet. If any physical (i.e. snail > mail etc) work will be required I have someone who will take care of it > while I'm away. > > Niv > BMW F650ST > SUZ DR650 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 15 23:19:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2G4Jd918763 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.22.37] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP299.dialsprint.net [168.191.22.37]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27979; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:19:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003160419.UAA27979@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:08:29 -0500 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/15/00 From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I haven't been inside there yet but I have parked my bike right in front of it plenty of times and even though there are sometime LOTS of drunk people milling about there late night at the nearby pizza place, I've never once had so much as a scratch or a bumped mirror on it when it's been parked there ... I didn't know they have cameras aimed at the bikes - but I DO know there are always one or two guys sitting at the door RIGHT in front of all the bikes ... (mostly sport bikes FWIW) >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/15/00 >Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2000, 7:00 PM > > I head that Asylum on 18th is very biker friendly (cameras to watch your > bike, helmet hooks). Anyone been there? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 02:01:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2G712921689 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.155.238.242 by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:00:55 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Frame sliders and AMA racing.. Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:58:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf8f14$fd6f2220$73ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Frame sliders work.. I've seen racers go down with them and come up with little damage (to the frame, bodywork is just that, and can be replaced or repaired). Some people may think they look good, and they might do a good job on low-speed crashes (more a tip-over than crash)... Idonno.. As for racing and it's 'populatiry'... ever notice how popular moto-x and supercross are? Well, they're 'promoted' by PACE motorsports. Guess who just bought CCS racing for this year, is looking to buy WERA (they're not selling) and asked AMA if they could buy them... PACE. I STRONGLY think that PACE will put in a GOOD run at pushing AMA out of the roadracing business in not to many years, allowing more popularity and spectators. Other things that would help is if the damn tracks would be leniant on admissions. Summit Point (for example) charges $20 from Friday at 6pm till Sunday at 3pm.. They should drop the price to $10 on Sunday, or have 2 colours of arm-bands and charge $10 for a daypass both Sat and Sunday (or $12, whatever... something more reasonable for 1 day and 2~3 people). That'd get more local interest for sure..... Ahh.. only time will tell... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 02:11:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2G7Bt921797 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.33.28209b1 (7041) for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:11:43 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <33.28209b1.2601e32e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:11:42 EST Subject: FIM GP SpeedVision Viewing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Ok... true to my words, the first DC-Cycles SpeedVision party is upon us: Sun ( SunDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!), March 19th 6pm - 8pm: pre-race festivities. This includes getting to know people, drinking beer, bench racing/riding, etc Nonalcoholic beverages also provided. Depending on weather we can grill food outside, or make something in the kitchen. Bringing some food would be nice, I will provide refreshments and the big-ass TV. 8pm - FIM World GP 250cc Race 9pm - FIM World GP 500cc Race 10pm - ???: Sober up, talk more, depart. Directions: >From 495 (Beltway): Take the Van Dorn Exit (there's only one). This brings you to a stoplight. Take a left, and proceed down Van Dorn to the 4th stoplight. This is Edsal Rd. THere will be gas stations on 2 corners, and a car wash on the third. Take a left onto Edsal Rd. Follow Edsal Rd for about a mile, to the 4th stoplight (There are 2 very close together, I count them as two). At the 4th stoplight, take a right into "The Overlook", a planned-community yuppie-from-hell looking thing. The main road will wind past many pretentious gas lamp posts, take the first right, then an immediate left onto Cozy Glen Lane (I mentioned it was hell,, yes?). My townhouse is the last one on the right, 5259 Cozy Glen Lane. If you're in a cage, there are guest parking spots around the neighboorhood. Park anywhere that's not painted yellow or in someone's driveway. >From 395: Take the Edsal Rd East exit. Follow Edsal road to the 3rd stoplight (erk... might be 4th). This is the SECOND "Overlook" entrace you will see. Turn left into "The Overlook", see above after that. Phone is 703-370-0102 in case you get lost. Feel free to bring any guests, etc, I have plenty 'o room. Hope to see you all there, - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 05:19:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GAJi927228 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.a7.2413ae7 (3854); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:19:31 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:19:31 EST Subject: Re: Dirt Bike Trails?????? To: mehran7@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Check out the following. www.ecea.org www.nvtr.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 06:49:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GBnG928581 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA15269 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:49:02 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA19727 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id v.73.1b17c8c (4010) for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:48:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <73.1b17c8c.260223f1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:48:01 EST Subject: Re: Frame Sliders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 I've seen a couple of low speed tip overs that the frame sliders definitely did what they were paid to do. Given enough velocity, however... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 08:11:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GDBh900365 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15701 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from web508.mail.yahoo.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA21027 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14324 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2000 13:11:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000316131136.14323.qmail@web508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.199] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:11:36 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Frame Sliders To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, pkarandi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They wouldn't be able to sell them if they didn't help in a sliding crash....one question though: why buy a '98/'99 ZX-7 when they haven't updated the bike since '95 or '96? Those things are heavy and slow by today's standards. GSXR is the 750 to have. -- tg --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 3/15/2000 5:25:45 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > pkarandi@XXXXXX writes: > > << Anyway, I am thinking about replacing it with a > 98/99 ZX-7 and am planning on putting those frame > sliders on it. Has anyone been down with these on? > Do they really protect the fairing? If not, are > there any other alternatives? I really don't want > to have to go through this again if I lay my bike > down at such slow speeds. Thanks in advance for any > input. > --Paresh >> > > No personal experience with them but, I just ordered > frame, swingarm, bar & clutch sliders from Intuitive > Racing. Everyone I know who has them swear by them > in a get off. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 09:19:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GEJP901690 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:19:13 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: Mobil 1 MC oil source? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:18:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01bf8f52$922a5000$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <33.28209b1.2601e32e@aol.com> Importance: Normal Anyone know if any of the Northern VA shops stock Mobil 1 motorcycle oil? Thanks. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 09:35:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GEZm901998 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:35:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'rmeyer@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Mobil 1 MC oil source? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:35:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I just picked up a case at Trak Auto. You should be able to find these almost anywhere. Also, you could just go to the source and find a Mobil station. If you're going to ask a bike shop to change the oil for you, just specify that Mobil 1 is what you want. If they don't have it, they'll tell you and you could always just supply them with a few quarts with which to do the job. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: RMeyer [SMTP:rmeyer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:19 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Mobil 1 MC oil source? > > Anyone know if any of the Northern VA shops stock Mobil 1 motorcycle oil? > > Thanks. > > In the wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer > to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 09:40:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GEeK902020 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:40:08 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B5A3@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: VFR Conversion to H4 Bulbs? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:37:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Does anyone on the list know how to install H4 bulbs into a Honda VFR? I have some rings from Sport Touring Accessories, but I am not really sure how to do it. My headlight is off the bike, so this weekend would be an ideal time to do it. Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 09:57:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GEvH902327 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:57:07 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B5A6@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FIM GP SpeedVision Viewing Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:54:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds great Brian. I plan to be there. Maybe we can get a better idea of exactly what foods to bring as people sign up. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 2:12 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: FIM GP SpeedVision Viewing > > > Ok... true to my words, the first DC-Cycles SpeedVision party is upon us: > > Sun ( SunDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!), March 19th > > 6pm - 8pm: pre-race festivities. This includes getting to know people, > drinking beer, bench racing/riding, etc Nonalcoholic beverages also > provided. > Depending on weather we can grill food outside, or make something in the > kitchen. Bringing some food would be nice, I will provide refreshments and > > the big-ass TV. > > 8pm - FIM World GP 250cc Race > 9pm - FIM World GP 500cc Race > > 10pm - ???: Sober up, talk more, depart. > > Directions: > > From 495 (Beltway): > Take the Van Dorn Exit (there's only one). This brings you to a stoplight. > > Take a left, and proceed down Van Dorn to the 4th stoplight. This is Edsal > > Rd. THere will be gas stations on 2 corners, and a car wash on the third. > Take a left onto Edsal Rd. Follow Edsal Rd for about a mile, to the 4th > stoplight (There are 2 very close together, I count them as two). At the > 4th > stoplight, take a right into "The Overlook", a planned-community > yuppie-from-hell looking thing. The main road will wind past many > pretentious > gas lamp posts, take the first right, then an immediate left onto Cozy > Glen > Lane (I mentioned it was hell,, yes?). My townhouse is the last one on the > > right, 5259 Cozy Glen Lane. If you're in a cage, there are guest parking > spots around the neighboorhood. Park anywhere that's not painted yellow or > in > someone's driveway. > > From 395: > Take the Edsal Rd East exit. Follow Edsal road to the 3rd stoplight > (erk... > might be 4th). This is the SECOND "Overlook" entrace you will see. Turn > left > into "The Overlook", see above after that. > > Phone is 703-370-0102 in case you get lost. Feel free to bring any guests, > > etc, I have plenty 'o room. > > Hope to see you all there, > - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 10:03:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GF3f902559 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:03:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Mobil 1 MC oil source? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:03:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Forgive me for confusing anyone regarding the Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oil. I wasn't aware that they made moto-specific oil and recommended Trak Auto for a source for normal Mobil 1. According to the following post I clipped from the SV archive, they do make a moto-specific Mobil 1, and apparently it's available at Auto Zone. My apologies, Chris Weaver '98 VTR ------------- At Daytona I spent a few minutes in the Mobil 1 tent. Maybe I missed something along the way but I didn't know they had a Mobil 1 just for bikes........I thought everyone used the standard 10-40 that is used for autos. They told me the mororcyle stuff had more phosphorus and zinc because the emissions laws are less stringent for bikes and of course does not carry the "energy conserving" label. They were very aware of the concern about clutch slippage and indicated this oil was formulated with that in mind. I think it was four something a quart and the best part.....is available at Auto Zone. Not just your local bike shop. Steve Moore ------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 10:52:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GFqo903353 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12005 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:00:29 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Mobil 1 MC oil source? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:55:26 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01bf8f60$0bb050c0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal AutoZone will soak you though. Call these people, I think they discount it quite a bit: Rex Oil company Thomasville North Carolina (336) 472-3000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Weaver, Chris_(MD) [mailto:CWeaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:04 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Mobil 1 MC oil source? > > > Forgive me for confusing anyone regarding the Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oil. I > wasn't aware that they made moto-specific oil and recommended > Trak Auto for > a source for normal Mobil 1. According to the following post I > clipped from > the SV archive, they do make a moto-specific Mobil 1, and apparently it's > available at Auto Zone. > > My apologies, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > > > ------------- > At Daytona I spent a few minutes in the Mobil 1 tent. Maybe I missed > something along the way but I didn't know they had a Mobil 1 just for > bikes........I thought everyone used the standard 10-40 that is used for > autos. They told me the mororcyle stuff had more phosphorus and zinc > because the emissions laws are less stringent for bikes and of course does > not carry the "energy conserving" label. They were very aware of the > concern about clutch slippage and indicated this oil was formulated with > that in mind. I think it was four something a quart and the best > part.....is available at Auto Zone. Not just your local bike shop. > Steve Moore > ------------- > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 11:54:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GGsf904361 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:54:49 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B5AC@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: GP Web site? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:52:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Does anyone know a good web site to learn about GP racing, in anticpation of watching the races this Sunday? Thanks mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 11:59:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GGxZ904447 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:59:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Wheel dent - what to do? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:59:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hi all. I noticed last night while cleaning my bike that my front wheel has a nasty dent in the rim. I'm almost positive that it's due to a REALLY nasty pothole I hit a couple of weeks ago. I don't believe there's any air escaping from the tire, but the dent looks pretty nasty - about 1.5 inches long and dented about a half inch. My question to the list is - should I: A) get a brand new rim, either used or new ($$$), B) just ignore it since there's no apparent air leak or handling issue or C) get a rubber mallet and attempt to thump it back into shape? Any helpful advice is appreciated. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 12:29:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GHTN904942 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA32605 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:29:16 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:14:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF8F41.3D8907A0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: GP Web site? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:14:54 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope this helps, just follow the link to "motogp". Good interviews and background information. http://www.quokka.com/ here is some historical information: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcracing/gphistory.html Here is some notes on the GP rider Kenny Roberts: http://www.roadracingworld.com/roadracingworld/ and the official website: http://www.dorna.com/index.html Cedric Does anyone know a good web site to learn about GP racing, in anticpation of watching the races this Sunday? Thanks mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 12:37:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GHbs905128 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:37:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:37:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200003161237.AA4129284@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles'" , Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: VFR Conversion to H4 Bulbs? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Kitchell >Does anyone on the list know how to install H4 bulbs into a Honda VFR? I >have some rings from Sport Touring Accessories, but I am not really sure how >to do it. My headlight is off the bike, so this weekend would be an ideal >time to do it. Never done it myself, but this might help http://www.ultranet.com/~peloqun/H4mod.html Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 13:37:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GIbe906105 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.c4.1f5f68f (3973); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:37:24 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:37:24 EST Subject: Re: GP Web site? To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 3/16/00 11:57:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Does anyone know a good web site to learn about GP racing, in anticpation of > watching the races this Sunday? www.quokka.com They're the official promotor, and have all the info. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 15:02:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GK2i907796 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:02:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wheel dent - what to do? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:02:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Okay, people have talked me into getting the front wheel fixed. I know a guy who'll sell me a set of PM Chicane wheels for $800, I could buy a stocker new for $550, or a used replacement for probably $250-300. If I can just get my current wheel fixed, I'm going that way. Now the tricky part - does anyone have a front-end stand that they could part with for a week or so? I have a nice Pit Bull rear stand, but no way to get the front off in order to get it fixed. Coercements in the form of beer or other libation are available in return. Thanks, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:12 PM > To: Weaver, Chris_(MD) > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Wheel dent - what to do? > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:59:43 -0500, you wrote: > > |>Hi all. > |> > |>I noticed last night while cleaning my bike that my front wheel has a > nasty > |>dent in the rim. I'm almost positive that it's due to a REALLY nasty > pothole > |>I hit a couple of weeks ago. I don't believe there's any air escaping > from > |>the tire, but the dent looks pretty nasty - about 1.5 inches long and > dented > |>about a half inch. > |> > |>My question to the list is - should I: A) get a brand new rim, either > used > |>or new ($$$), B) just ignore it since there's no apparent air leak or > |>handling issue or C) get a rubber mallet and attempt to thump it back > into > |>shape? > |> > |>Any helpful advice is appreciated. > |> > |>Chris Weaver > |>'98 VTR 1000 > > from what I understand, it'll cost about.. $100 to $150 to get it > fixed, and a week off the bike (shipping and repair). > > I'm assuming it has alluminum rims. > > If you are going to try to bend it back yourself, you will need to > heat it up first. As you know, aluminum doesn't like to bed back and > forth. > > You could also go to motosalvage.com and put in a parts request quote, > and about... 3 to 8 boneyards around the country will email you with a > price for a used replacement wheel. You might luck out and find > someone selling one really cheap that way. I would do this first, > just to get a general idea of how cheap.. > > and I don't like my bike to be unavailable to me either.. a whole > week? oh no!! hehe. so if you get a used rim, then you have a spare > rim to send off, incase the replacement rim gets a bend too. > > I would go that route and pay by credit card.. if the rim isnt perfect > then you've got a safety line about not being ripped off. > > if you decide to fix it and need to know the name of the place (in CA > or AZ? I think) I have saved the msg from a previous poster with all > the details, let me know. > > Good luck and let me know.. I have the same problem, but I have a > friend with a set of wheels for my bike.. maybe they will give them to > me cheap. > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 15:08:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2GK8J907911 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA05376; Thu, 16 Mar 1972 15:12:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1972 15:12:05 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Abandoned GL-650 up for grabs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII DC dept of public works (sic) say they are going to haul away---tomorrow (Friday)---a 1983 GL-650 that someone left on the street over a year ago. It now has good tires and wheels; engine condition unknown. No electrics, switches, front brakes, etc. If you want it, get in touch with me asap. Location: 19th St, NW, near the zoo. --garcia 202-234-9229 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 15:20:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (fb00.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GKK7908204 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-37.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.165]) by fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09039 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:20:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38D16CF2.36B7DDA0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:23:30 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Suzuki RGV250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent this to rec.motorcycles.racing and alt.motorcycle.sportbike but forgot to send it to DC Cycles. Oops! %^) There is a part of me that just wants to own a 2-stroke GP with lights. Was wondering what the group has to say about the Suzuki RGV250. I see them for sale every now and again. Anything in particular that a potential buyer needs to be aware of? Best years? What mods? Best rubber? Gearing? Suspension stuff? Etc., etc., etc. Also, is owning a 2-stroke a pain in the ass if you're not your own mechanic??? Appreciate comments, especially from those who've actually owned one. Thanx! And BTW, this would be for actual street riding with forays to the track. Chuck P.S. The sweetest looking one I've seen so far is http://www.traderonline.com/cgi-bin/cycle/apps/search/photdisp.html?photo=00137745817&phoneId=7275255712&ad=120-99800-1&status=no&imgsite=&page=search&pstat=P From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 15:29:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.house.gov (orion.house.gov [143.231.86.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GKTr908349 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims02.house.gov (hrmims02.house.gov [143.231.32.158]) by orion.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00897 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims02.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:29:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Suzuki RGV250 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:29:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) are you allowed to drive 2 stroke bikes on the street? I've heard conflicting answers? > ---------- > From: Chuck Pena[SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 6:23 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Suzuki RGV250 > > I sent this to rec.motorcycles.racing and alt.motorcycle.sportbike but > forgot to send it to DC Cycles. Oops! %^) > > There is a part of me that just wants to own a 2-stroke GP with lights. > Was wondering what the group has to say about the Suzuki RGV250. I see > them for sale every now and again. Anything in particular that a > potential buyer needs to be aware of? Best years? What mods? Best > rubber? Gearing? Suspension stuff? Etc., etc., etc. Also, is owning > a 2-stroke a pain in the ass if you're not your own mechanic??? > Appreciate comments, especially from those who've actually owned one. > Thanx! And BTW, this would be for actual street riding with forays to > the track. > > Chuck > > P.S. The sweetest looking one I've seen so far is > > http://www.traderonline.com/cgi-bin/cycle/apps/search/photdisp.html?photo= > 00137745817&phoneId=7275255712&ad=120-99800-1&status=no&imgsite=&page=sear > ch&pstat=P > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 15:35:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GKZU908541 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id u.e0.24fbde5 (3973); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:35:15 EST Subject: Re: Suzuki RGV250 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Any of the "Street" 2-strokes such as the Aprillia RS250 & Suz RGV250 (same motor), Honda NSR250, Yama TZR250, etc are pretty maintentance free. The bikes are generally jetted pretty rich to account for changes in atmosphere and whatnot, and you shouldn't really have any probs. Also... remember, a two-stroke motor has no valves, no cams, etc... there's not much that can go wrong (pistons and rings... that's what you replace). - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 15:36:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GKaf908582 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-37.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.165]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23512; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:36:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38D170D3.645A7061@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:40:03 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Haring, Seth" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Suzuki RGV250 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seth, All the RGVs that I've seen for sale are street legal and licensed (in the states where there owners live, but I haven't seen one here in VA). FWIW, I used to own a little Yamaha YSR50 2-stroke mini-racer and it was street legal (in VA). I think it probably varies by bike and state. Chuck "Haring, Seth" wrote: > > are you allowed to drive 2 stroke bikes on the street? I've heard > conflicting answers? From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 15:37:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GKbw908630 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id m.8a.1ae7e29 (3973); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:37:31 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8a.1ae7e29.2602a00a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:37:30 EST Subject: Re: Suzuki RGV250 To: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 3/16/00 3:33:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: > are you allowed to drive 2 stroke bikes on the street? I've heard > conflicting answers? As long as the model year is before.... 1990? '92? somewhere in there. As long as it was legally imported to the US and DOT approved, you can ride it on the street. They stopped allowing 2-strokes in one of those years... after that, you can't put it on the street (technically). - Bri From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 16:11:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GLBG909214 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17342 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:11:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:11:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Suzuki RGV250 In-Reply-To: <8a.1ae7e29.2602a00a@aol.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: > > are you allowed to drive 2 stroke bikes on the street? I've heard > > conflicting answers? > > As long as the model year is before.... 1990? '92? somewhere in > there. As long as it was legally imported to the US and DOT approved, > you can ride it on the street. These rules apply to manufacturers, not individuals. You can ride anything on the street that you can get through inspection. It's not unusual at all to see street legal 2 stroke dirt bikes (street legality being necessary for most "local" enduros) of all displacements. My wife has a little 99cc 2 stroke that is sold as a dual sport. I believe that manufacturers are currently limited to 99cc and down for street legal 2 strokes. Again, these rules are for manufacturers, not individuals (or gray market importers even). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 16:24:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (host.intelsol.com [207.233.199.4] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2GLOP909468 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from engin.umich.edu ([141.213.156.121]) by goliath.intelsol.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) with SMTP id 852568A4.00754506; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:20:54 -0500 Message-ID: <38D15169.335D56B@engin.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:26:01 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" Reply-To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suzuki RGV-250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't find the links right now, but Brian McCoy should be able to pass them along... He has a couple of RGV links that have all sorts of great info. The RGV comes in several flavors. You'll find that the Japanese models are restricted and it takes a bit of parts tracking to de-restrict it.... even restricted though, they are a hoot. I believe 94 and up are the ones with better suspension, motor, frame... well.. just better... but you usually pay for it... $4600 for that 92 was a *bit* on the steep side, but it looked mint, and will likely bring that. Talk to the Speedwerks guys up in Camden, DE (Brian Roach has their url/contact info). They routinely import grey markets into the states and could likely get you whatever you like... As for being street legal, yes, technically you can't get any more >50cc road bikes that are street legal (not counting enduros such as the KE100, etc). However, there are plenty of ways to get them registered which are not technically 100% legal, but it works, hence the name grey market. If it's already titled and registered in another state you should have no problems whatsoever getting it registered. It's starting from scratch that takes a bit of work. As Brian mentioned, there are other bikes out there... the TZR, NSR, and Aprillia. But in MY opinion, the TZR and NSR don't look that good (although they are awesome performers). For overall package, my vote is for the RGV or the Aprillia RS250... Jon Koh has an RS and has let me put quite a few miles on it and I'd have to say it is damn near one of the funnest things I have ever been on.... I'm with you though Chuck.... If I ever have the money and time, I WILL have a two smoke 250 in my posession. BTW, McCoy tells me there is an article in Cycle World about a guy building a 2 stroke 500 by combining the jugs off two TZ(R?)250's together on one bottom end, supposedly putting out around 100hp in mild form... woohoo!!! that would be a hoot and a half...I will definitley be waiting for new info on something like that! Collin -- ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, EBC Brakes, and Dunlop Tires From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 17:22:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2GMMn910448 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA14346; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:21:40 -0500 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008170; Thu, 16 Mar 00 17:15:55 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FRJ00JIACJHZF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568A4.007A52FD ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:16:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:11:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Suzuki RGV250 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <852568A4.007A2AEB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I know 2-stroke Vespas and Lambrettas (scooters, but classified for licensing purposes as motorcycles) are legal on the street. --chris Kirk Roy on 03/16/2000 04:11:11 PM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: Subject: Re: Suzuki RGV250 On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: > > are you allowed to drive 2 stroke bikes on the street? I've heard > > conflicting answers? > > As long as the model year is before.... 1990? '92? somewhere in > there. As long as it was legally imported to the US and DOT approved, > you can ride it on the street. These rules apply to manufacturers, not individuals. You can ride anything on the street that you can get through inspection. It's not unusual at all to see street legal 2 stroke dirt bikes (street legality being necessary for most "local" enduros) of all displacements. My wife has a little 99cc 2 stroke that is sold as a dual sport. I believe that manufacturers are currently limited to 99cc and down for street legal 2 strokes. Again, these rules are for manufacturers, not individuals (or gray market importers even). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 18:09:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2GN9e911179 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-199-197.s451.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.199.197] helo=l4rite) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VjOZ-0001rW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:09:35 -0500 Message-ID: <027a01bf8f9d$2fb212a0$c5c73ad0@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: References: <33.28209b1.2601e32e@aol.com> Subject: where about of the tire changer..... Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:13:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello, I was wondering about the where abouts of the tire changer...I haven't gotten to use it yet...but so far I guess it was a good investment.....??? I finally got me some dirt tires for my KLR and am dying to put them on....I'm almost finished restoring it and what not..so I want to have the tires ready to go....anyway hope you guys enjoy the Circles Saturday...I'll be at work until 3:30...oh well....enjoy Les 96 GSX750FT Katana 89 KLR 650 88 NX250 89 LT500R 85 200X From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 16 21:46:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2H2kY914791 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:46:29 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFR Conversion to H4 Bulbs? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:46:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003901bf8fba$f5dc2e80$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B5A3@QSI_TYSONS> Importance: Normal Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Does anyone on the list know how to install H4 bulbs into a Honda VFR? I > have some rings from Sport Touring Accessories, but I am not > really sure how > to do it. My headlight is off the bike, so this weekend would be an ideal > time to do it. This adapter goes on the glass side and requires you too cut the bottom 2 ears off of the bulb. You should be able to do it with a sheet metal cutter or even a decent pair of dikes (wire cutters). Make certain that the edges are free of any large burrs. Next take the top (widest) flange on the bulb and bend it back a little bit. Then, at the bottom of the bulb, there are two little tabs that stick out. You'll need to bend these flush with the base of the bulb. The just put the adapter over the bulb, and put the combo in the headlight socket. HTH. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 00:59:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2H5xN917801 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA19223 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:59:19 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA27297 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:54:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:52:05 -0800 Received: from 216.164.238.37 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:54:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: Paresh Karandikar Cc: dc DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Frame Sliders Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:54:07 GMT Message-ID: <38d1487e.94902395@eriss.com> References: <20000315222259.14046.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000315222259.14046.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2H5xm917802 I can relate 2 stories.. one bike with sliders and one without... the bike with sliders, a gixer 750.. went down doing about 35 mph i guess....fairing damage but no leaks and the bike was ridable back home.. the bike with out sliders just fell over, and busted the crank case cover. a zx6.. known for that. The frame sliders supposedly save your frame, not your fairings. Also seem to save your other parts like crank case cover so you can retain all your fluids and ride your bike home.. that's what is important to me.. if I go down, i'd like to be get back up and keep riding. not need a tow because of some flimsy part busted. If you can afford it, it's worth it... people do swear by them.. if i could afford them, i'd get them, what are they costing about $150 now? oh btw they (dealers) still like to total out bikes.. they might get a sale of a new bike.. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 01:57:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2H6vc918801 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts008d03.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.237.111] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:55:56 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RV500 2-smoke.. Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:53:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bf8fdd$71c8e980$6fed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 *grin* *salivate* *checking savings.. eh, Mr. Roach, can you spot me a few $$?* -----Original Message----- From: ROEHRMCYCLE@XXXXXX [mailto:ROEHRMCYCLE@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 8:14 PM Thankyou for your interest in the RV500. The RV500 seen in CW is the prototype of an upcoming production version. We are currently seeking a financial partnership which will facilitate plans for an initial production run of 25-50 units per year. A retail price of $23,995 is targeted. More info can be seen online at www.roadracingworld.com - article titled "homebuilt 500cc V-twin Jan2000 back issue. A Roehr Motorcycle homepage is also under construction- I will let you know the address when its complete. Hope to sell you one soon! Thank you, Walter F. Roehrich ROEHR MOTORCYCLES From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 08:43:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2HDh3926253 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:43:18 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B5B8@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'David Forbes'" Subject: Oil Changing Instructions Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:41:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Oil Changing Instructions: Women: 1. Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 since the last oil change. 2. Drink a cup of coffee. 3. 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained vehicle. Men: 1. Go to Track Auto auto parts and write a check for 50 dollars for oil, filter, oil lift (AKA kitty litter), hand cleaner and scented tree. 2. Discover that the used oil container is full. Instead of taking back to Track Auto to recycle, dump in hole in back yard. 3. Open a beer and drink it. 4. Jack car up. Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands. 5. Find jack stands under kid's pedal car. 6. In frustration, open another beer and drink it. 7. Place drain pan under engine. 8. Look for 17 mm box-end wrench. 9. Give up and use crescent wrench. 10. Unscrew drain plug. 11. Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil; get hot oil on you in process. 12. Clean up. 13. Have another beer while oil is draining. 14. Look for oil filter wrench. 15. Give up; poke oil filter with Phillips screwdriver and twist it off. 16. Beer. 17. Buddy shows up; finish case with him. Finish oil change tomorrow. 18. Next day, drag pan full of old oil out from underneath car. 19. Throw oil lift (AKA kitty litter) on oil spilled during step 18. 20. Beer. No, drank it all yesterday. 21. Walk to 7-11; buy beer. 22. Install new oil filter, making sure to apply a thin coat of clean oil to gasket first. 23. Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine. 24. Remember drain plug from step 11. 25. Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan. 26. Hurry to replace drain plug before the whole quart of fresh oil drains onto the floor. 27. Slip with wrench and bang knuckles on frame. 28. Bang head on floor board in reaction. 29. Begin cussing fit. 30. Throw wrench. 31. Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss December(1992) in the left boob. 32. Clean up; apply Band-Aid to knuckle. 33. Beer. 34. Beer. 35. Dump in additional 4 quarts of oil. 36. Beer. 37. Lower car from jack stands. 38. Accidentally crush one of the jack stands 39. Move car back to apply more oil lift (AKA kitty litter) to fresh oil spilled during step 23. 40. Drive car 1/2 quart low for 7000 miles till it's be time for another oil change. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 08:55:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net [129.250.36.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2HDtG926793 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12VxDT-0004Gt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:55:03 +0000 Received: from [168.143.218.175] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12VxDO-0002Xe-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:54:59 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:54:30 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: History of GP Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: Hey DC Guys & Gals, All this talk of GP racing got me to do some surfing last night and I saw an article on GP history here: http://www.motorcycle.com/ There also seems to be a blrub on the newly redone VIR. JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 08:56:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2HDuQ926858 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:01:06 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:58:31 -0800 Received: from 216.164.238.37 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:01:01 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: ahalan Cc: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: MSF Beginner's Course - Update Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:00:31 GMT Message-ID: <38d24a47.95360112@eriss.com> References: <01BF8EC3.7BEC16A0@209-122-205-108.s108.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> In-Reply-To: <01BF8EC3.7BEC16A0@209-122-205-108.s108.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2HDuR926859 I want to post a reminder for everyone who is taking the MSF course, or recommending people, the honda riders club (no honda needed) offers a $75 discount off the MSF course. of course membership costs $40 but you still save $35. Those that are in the april class will need to hurry up and get their coupons! So the sooner we know the better. Links to that, the MSF website, as well as riding gear can be found on my motorcycle links page: http://www.mtownmob.com/_ITM/mc/ ( I hate that domain name, but a friend is hooking me up with the server space free..so I take what i can get. anyone here want to do some webhosting for me ) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 11:29:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2HGTe929749 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-49-156.s156.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.49.156] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VzcV-0001sY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:29:03 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: The dreaded oil..... Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:28:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf902d$cc94dfe0$9c31accf@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hi Bob, Is there a reason you'd prefer the MC M1 version over the very available 15w-50 version? By the case, it is in the neighborhood of $23 at SAMs and PCs everywhere. I've used the 15w-50 in my CB750 as of the first oil change when I bought it 6 years ago (now showing 40k miles), and in my ST1100 bought used at 7.5k miles (now at 65k miles) about 3 years ago. I change the oil at 5k intervals and have never had a problem with either bike. Todd (always mobile 1, always the cheapest petrol) 1991 ST1100 (Raven STeel), STOC #487 1992 CB750 (Carbon Beauty) 1999 Cap1k (dnf), 1999 Fite5 (1st place) ---------------------original------- Anyone know if any of the Northern VA shops stock Mobil 1 motorcycle oil? Thanks. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 13:10:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2HIAY901580 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va24-38.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.230]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02472 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:10:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38D2A010.453CC7DD@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:13:52 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Bedo's Leatherworks in Falls Church Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forgot who made the original post (either Chris Weaver or Mark Kitchell???), but I just got my AGV Rage jacket (part of their 2-piece suit) back from Bedo's Leatherworks in Falls Church. I had them shorten the sleeves one inch. Brought it to them Tuesday. It was ready this morning (Friday). $68. Don't know if that's a lot for the service, but it's not like there are a lot of places around that do leather alterations and specialize in motorcycle gear. The quality of the workmanship is very good/excellent. You would be hard pressed to know that the sleeves have been shortened. BTW, they retained the original zippers and cuff closures. At least a couple of other people have posted that other work they had done at Bedo's has held up (stitching, etc.) and I have no reason to assume that mine won't either. If you've got leather gear that needs alterations/work, talk to Steve Doudaklian (who is the master craftsman and owner) at Bedo's Leathersworks, 412 W. Broad St., Falls Church, (703) 534-3233, www.leatherrepair.com, bedos1@XXXXXX. Happy trails, Chuck '93 GSXR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 13:52:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2HIqe902312 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:52:52 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B5E8@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Non-Mot: FW: Dating in DC Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:50:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't usually forward these to the list, but for anyone single in DC, you will laugh very hard at this one.... > DATING IN DC > > The WOMEN > 1. The Girlie-Gurl > Name: Amanda, Jen, Lissa > Occupation: Paralegal, Husband Hunter > Where you meet her: The Guards, The Front Page, "It's just lunch". > > Distinguishing Traits: "I want to be taken care of, but I still get to > act > like a pain in the ass." Was a "Rules Girl" four years ago. Only person > genuinely offended by this article. > > Advantages: Always made up, and well-scrubbed. > Disadvantages: Can't pump own gas. Is trying to lassoo your ass to the > alter. > > Relationship Details: Issues daily tests of loyalty, love, and overall > capacity for bullshit. Decidedly not a giver. > > Eventual Outcome: Explode at her in Smithsonian during her parents' visit > from Virginia Beach. Call her dad a "Republican Fuck". Dump her for 22 > year-old and live good life. > > 2. The 22 Year-Old > Name: Lizzy, Lousia, Holly > Occupation: Recent college grad, working at Kramer books till she finds a > job and morphs into Nonprofit girl. > > Where you meet her: She helps you pick out a book for your sister. > Distinguishing Traits: Cute as a button, perky, easygoing. Green, but a > quick study. > Advantages: Falls head over heels for you because you're five years older > and wear suits. Laughs at your jokes. Mistakes your age lines for > character. Has only been with sensitive college boyfriend, so she > actually > thinks you're good in bed. > > Disadvantages: Jealous friends call you "kiddie porn man". Plus its > really > tough to be seen in public with someone who's a hell of a lot more > interesting and better looking than you. > > Relationship Details: "Man, I have got this chick wrapped. I'm gonna go > out there and see what else I can find, cuz you know, I work for _____, > and > I can get any girl I want...." > > Eventual Outcome: She dumps your Fucking Ass, where you belong. You > stupid > shit!!!! > > 3. Nonprofit Girl > Name: Patrice, Lauren, Sarah > Occupation: Researches Montessori effects on four year-olds for > Association > of Loving Mothers (ALMs). > Where you meet her: Potluck dinner of token Sensitive-Beard-Guy friend in > Adams Morgan. > Distinguishing Traits: Blonde Hair, glasses, Peace Corp stint. > Advantages: Absolutely beautiful. Obsession with sharing feelings every > hour saves you time/money/leg work as you always know where you stand. > Disadvantages: Overly sensitive. Minor pc violations (i.e. "chick > flick", > "this girl I know", etc.) induces hours of the Silent Treatment. > Relationship Details: Disturbing traditional courtship ensues. > Eventual Outcome: 1. Marry her. 2. Grow Beard. 3. Don Apron. 4. > Relinquish Testicles. > > 4. Climber Girl > Name: Melanie, Jennifer, Jill > Occupation: Legislative Coordinator, Senator Borp. (R-MT) > Where you meet her: Drunken stupor, anywhere Distinguishing Traits: Sexy > in disturbing corporate sort of way. Very Obnoxious. Prone to loud > arguments with service sector employees. > ("I said EXTRA secret sauce, dammit!!!") > Relationship Advantages: Surprisingly hotsex. Crystal City apartment > with > heated pool and view of city. Killer c.d. collection. > Disadvantages: Meglo-maniacal control freak. Legally insane in four > states. Projects bad relationship with father onto you, insists you get > therapy. > Relationship Details: Dates consists of errands to Safeway and/or > Pentagon > City, as she is perpetually "so busy". Has proclaimed every Saturday to > be > "Fun Day" with complete fun Itinerary. > Eventual Outcome: Ruins your life. > > THE MEN > 1. Annoying Foreign Freak > Name: Serge, Xyryvp > Occupation: Scary Mystery > Distinguishing Traits: Unconscionable fashion crimes, bizzare accent, > state-of-the-art cell phone. > Where you meet him: Any Georgetown bar > ("SweetheartIloveyoulemmebuyyoudrink,ah?") > Advantages: Never discovered, as lewd proposition forces you to throw a > drink in his face within four minutes. > > 2. Alterna-Jerk > Name: Ty > Occupation: Occasional bartender, Chief Ike's. > Where you meet him: Refuses to serve you "girl drink". Fixes you gin and > tonic instead, making him instantly seem like a good lay. > Distinguishing Traits: Perpetual 3-day beard, black shoes. > Relationship Advantages: Great sex. Isn't clingy. Excellent outlet for > final rebellion against parents. > Drawbacks: Smokes like a fiend. Borrows large amounts of money, pays you > back with herpes. Constantly trying to get you into a threesome. > Relationship details: Only sees you twice a week, as he is secretly > banging > your best friend. "Dates" consist of tagging along with him and his > friends > to places you wouldn't be caught dead in if you weren't temporarily > insane. > Eventual Outcome: Move with him to Belize. Dumps you for skanky barmaid. > Move back to your parents' basement and apply to grad school. Learn a > little bit about life and a little bit about yourself. > > 3. The Nice Guy > Name: Mike, Tom, Joe > Occupation: Assists Arlington start-up with LAN-based programming for > ISP/Wintel compliance issues. (Huh???) > Where you meet him: Through friends *yawn*. > Distinguishing Traits: 1. Abercrombie wardrobe (must include "casual > Friday" shirt and baseball cap.) Wire rimmed glasses are optional. 2. > S.U.V. 3. Air of complete desperation. > Advantages: Spineless, helps you move. Lack of sex has caused semen to > spill into the brain, creating accommodating slave boy. > Disadvantages: Boring as fresh-water trout. Search for post-college > stability makes him see every woman he spends three minutes with as "The > One". Could conceivably nice you to death if you don't run for the hills. > Relationship Details: Declares undying love for you on third date, > forcing > you to administer Just Friends speech, version 32 "It's just not there > for > me right now." Worships you from afar and becomes your best female > friend. > Final Outcome: Marry him when you finish with everyone else. > > 4. Slimy D.C. Guy > Name: Matt, Eric, Mike > Occupation: Associate Deputy Liason Coordinator for House Oversight > Committee for External Infrastructure and Indian Affairs. > Where you meet him: Anywhere, following major break-up, death of parent, > or > similarly desperate time. > Distinguishing Traits: Announces him Law-school standing on first date. > Is > secretly bragging to his roommates that he is going to "do" you. > Relationship Advantages: Lots of good jobs leads. > Disadvantages: In the interest of brevity, let's just say he is kind of > self-centered. > Final Outcome: Ditch him after two dates, shattering glass ego. One year > later, he is still calling. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 15:58:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2HKwE904445 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12W3oy-0004MV-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:58:12 +0000 Received: from [168.143.218.102] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12W3ow-0005BW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:58:11 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:57:42 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: More on Racing on TV Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: This from the VFR list: ========== While searching for televised motorcycle racing, I've come up with the following urls which provide schedules. http://www.motorcycletv.com/cgi-bin/schedule/tv.shtml http://www.ama-cycle.org/prorace/tvsched.html http://209.130.30.142/racing/tv.asp http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/tvdirectory.htm None of the schedules are complete. However, between the list, you should get a pretty good idea of when and where. BTW, the supersport race (600 cc) tape delayed from Daytona will be broadcast Saturday, March 18, 2000 at 1:30pm (Eastern Time) on "unfortunately" ESPN2. ======= JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 16:22:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2HLMi904865 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-230-225.s225.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.230.225]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12W4CV-0001Bj-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:22:32 -0500 Received: by 216-164-230-225.s225.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF902C.C443C640@XXXXXX>; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:20:53 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF902C.C443C640@216-164-230-225.s225.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> From: ahalan To: "'mehran7@XXXXXX'" Cc: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Dirt Riding Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:52:39 -0800 Encoding: 11 TEXT Well...its difficult. There's a place behind Dulles airport (look for the reservoir and the roads that lead to it) that has a sign not allowing riding there but I rode my DR650 there a few times and had a good time - it is kinda smallish though. Otherwise your best bet is to hook up with NVTR: Northern Virginia Trail Riders. Check them out at www.nvtr.org Niv BMW F650ST SUZ DR650 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 16:47:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2HLlu905301 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-230-225.s225.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.230.225]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12W4b0-0004eo-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:47:50 -0500 Received: by 216-164-230-225.s225.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF9030.4DA2AD40@XXXXXX>; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:46:12 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF9030.4DA2AD40@216-164-230-225.s225.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com> From: ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: MSF Beginners Course Update 2 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:36:56 -0800 Encoding: 18 TEXT I'm going to be out of country from today until next Sunday. I will have email access so you can write etc. Anyway, I've sent all those that I received requests to sign up on an email with their respective place on the list. The waiting list is still small so if anyone wants to sign up for that let me know. Usually, with groups like these people's plans change and there should be more openings. If we have enough students they might open up another course for us...their words not mine ! I've received no news from the college but expect them to give me some answers soon. Keep the rubber side down Niv BMW F650ST SUZ DR650 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 17 20:13:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2I1Dc908525 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.22.93] (sdn-ar-002dcwashP315.dialsprint.net [168.191.22.93]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08420 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:13:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003180113.RAA08420@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:12:25 -0500 Subject: mechanic course From: "Marcy" To: DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I posted this question once before and no one answered so I don't know if you didn't see the post or if there simply is no answer :D so I want to ask again ... does anyone know of someplace I can learn basic motorcycle mechanics? or should I just accept the invitation I have to go hang out at Crossroads Cycles and pay attention to what's going on? thanks! >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 04:12:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from eriss (fwuser@XXXXXX [206.251.235.162] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2I9C3919496 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.0.25 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:12:10 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from eriss ([10.0.0.13]) by erissmail.ERISS.COM (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64060U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id COM; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:09:35 -0800 Received: from 216.164.238.37 by eriss (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:12:08 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Wheel dent - what to do? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:11:37 GMT Message-ID: <38d34c0d.95813707@eriss.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2I9CQ919497 On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:59:43 -0500, you wrote: |>Hi all. |> |>I noticed last night while cleaning my bike that my front wheel has a nasty |>dent in the rim. I'm almost positive that it's due to a REALLY nasty pothole |>I hit a couple of weeks ago. I don't believe there's any air escaping from |>the tire, but the dent looks pretty nasty - about 1.5 inches long and dented |>about a half inch. |> |>My question to the list is - should I: A) get a brand new rim, either used |>or new ($$$), B) just ignore it since there's no apparent air leak or |>handling issue or C) get a rubber mallet and attempt to thump it back into |>shape? |> |>Any helpful advice is appreciated. |> |>Chris Weaver |>'98 VTR 1000 from what I understand, it'll cost about.. $100 to $150 to get it fixed, and a week off the bike (shipping and repair). I'm assuming it has alluminum rims. If you are going to try to bend it back yourself, you will need to heat it up first. As you know, aluminum doesn't like to bed back and forth. You could also go to motosalvage.com and put in a parts request quote, and about... 3 to 8 boneyards around the country will email you with a price for a used replacement wheel. You might luck out and find someone selling one really cheap that way. I would do this first, just to get a general idea of how cheap.. and I don't like my bike to be unavailable to me either.. a whole week? oh no!! hehe. so if you get a used rim, then you have a spare rim to send off, incase the replacement rim gets a bend too. I would go that route and pay by credit card.. if the rim isnt perfect then you've got a safety line about not being ripped off. if you decide to fix it and need to know the name of the place (in CA or AZ? I think) I have saved the msg from a previous poster with all the details, let me know. Good luck and let me know.. I have the same problem, but I have a friend with a set of wheels for my bike.. maybe they will give them to me cheap. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 06:29:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2IBT2921442 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 797 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2000 11:28:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000318112859.796.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.214.9] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 03:28:59 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 03:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: mechanic course To: Marcy , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NOVA Loudoun used to have a motorcycle maintenance course. As I recall, they had enough students to teach it two or three times a year. The Crossroads Cycle idea sounds pretty good. That should help with a lot of the specifics. You might also want to read a book or two if you truly don't know how engines, transmissions and other mechanical stuff works. The background information helps a lot when it comes time to learn specifics about any particular machine. Leon --- Marcy wrote: > I posted this question once before and no one > answered so I don't know if > you didn't see the post or if there simply is no > answer :D so I want to ask > again ... does anyone know of someplace I can learn > basic motorcycle > mechanics? or should I just accept the invitation I > have to go hang out at > Crossroads Cycles and pay attention to what's going > on? > > thanks! > > >>>>>>>Marcy > >>>>>>>CB-1 400F > >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 06:39:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2IBd5921604 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15884 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2000 11:39:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000318113903.15883.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.214.9] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 03:39:03 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 03:39:03 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Circles Directions again To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This should be a fun event if we don't freeze to death. Circles will be held in Parking lots 19 & 20 of Potomac Mills Mall today (Sat 18) and tomorrow (Sun 19). Take exit 158B from I-95 in Virginia. If you're on the HOV lanes, turn left to get out of the parking area, then right at the traffic light. Make a left at the 3rd light onto Telegraph Rd. Follow Telegraph Rd until you pass Coleman Power Sport, take the next right following the Commuter Parking signs. Make a left at the top of the hill, again following the Commuter Parking signs. Make a left into the second parking lot. I'll be there a little before 9AM both days. Ursulina found four very nice new bikes to give as prizes, there's a Ninja, Ducati, R1 and a CBR. The bikes are part of a do-it-yourself trophy kit. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 08:40:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2IDeJ923321 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20800 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2000 13:40:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000318134006.20799.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.117.11] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:40:06 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: mechanic course To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I took a course once through Montgomery County Dept of Recreation. Actually here's the course description: Motorcycle Maintence Age 16 and up: Course is geared to both novice and swerious maintenance-minded riders. Includes tune-ups and lubrication, adjustment and replacement of key suspension and saftey equipment, etc. Motorcycle and tools provided. You will be able to work on your onw bike on Sat. $25 shop fee due to the instructor at class. Classes taught by David Paull of The Right Track. Strict registration deadline - one week prior to start of class. 13 hrs, 6-10 pm Fri, 8am - 5 pm Sat. $72 (+ $10 if non-resident) 13368 3/31 13369 4/28 13370 6/2 Held at Lincoln Center, 700 Stonestreet Ave, Rockville. Their web page is http://www.co.mo.md.us Click on Recreation and Leisure Spring 2000, then on to Special Interest. Scroll down (or search for motorcycle). I took this course about 4 years ago when I first got my Nighthawk. The first night they basically take apart and reassemble an engine. Then on Saturday you bring in your bike and the guy oversees you doing your own work. I basically replaced my airfilter, spark plugs, and a few other things, but it was the first time I actually went in the bike. Looking back I wish I learned to change my own oil. It's a good starters course, but I'd like to see something more involved, maybe over a few weekends. Louis --- Marcy wrote: > I posted this question once before and no one answered so I don't know if > you didn't see the post or if there simply is no answer :D so I want to ask > again ... does anyone know of someplace I can learn basic motorcycle > mechanics? or should I just accept the invitation I have to go hang out at > Crossroads Cycles and pay attention to what's going on? > > thanks! > > >>>>>>>Marcy > >>>>>>>CB-1 400F > >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 09:29:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2IETW924041 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [64.20.7.62] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A2AB46470032; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:28:59 -0500 Message-ID: <38D39277.1649F40B@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:28:07 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Change in Circles Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The folks at Potomac Mills booted us. We are now off of Exit 160 on I-95 - follow signs to commuter parking lot. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 12:55:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2IHt7927081 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.ce.2e31787 (3971) for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:54:52 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:54:52 EST Subject: PACE motorsports and Summit Point folk To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 I dunno if many of you follow non-AMA racing (or racing at all) but I know that some of you do, and this will be of interest: [from the race list regrading marrc.nova.org] One note you will see on the site - MARRC's long-time president, Roger Lyle, has been selected as the Director of Safety for Pace motorsports. Other MARRC members have been selected to fill important positions in this aggressive organization, which recently acquired CCS. These are all GOOD THINGS for motorcycle racing. [end clip] This is *AWESOME*... MARRC and Roger Lyle are basically the best of the best when it comes to cornerworking and promoting track safety. Summit Point has the best cornerworkers of any track at which I've ever raced, and this is a great thing to see happen. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 13:09:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2II9C927319 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [168.191.20.105] (sdn-ar-001dcwashP193.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.105]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25191; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:09:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003181809.KAA25191@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:07:59 -0500 Subject: Re: mechanic course From: "Marcy" To: Bill Huson , DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hahahahaha "warmed up indeed" thanks all for your advice .... duh the MANUAL! :D CB-1 manuals can be hard to come by actually, the the tool kit that comes with the bike is pitiful at best ... but Bill, I definitely agree with your theory that if someone put it together I can take it apart :D how about suggestions for a good book too? I do NOT know anything about how engines, transmissions and other mechanical stuff works .... thanks again guys === M ---------- >From: Bill Huson >To: Marcy >Subject: Re: mechanic course >Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000, 10:59 PM > > Marcy > > Accept the invitation at Crossroads. That's how I got my knuckles scraped as a > young pup. Like age ten I hung out at my uncle's marina and took apart junk > outboards. My small hands and delicate touch was put into service doing carbs > and ignitions. By age 12 I was rigging boats and had my own outboard *warmed > up* so fine that the local water police couldn't touch me. > > On to autos - a $35 car - basket case - a general fixit manual, and many moons > later I had the dern thing screaming down the road. Manuals - manuals, and > more manuals. Everything you need to know is in books, and if Denny let's you > turn a wrench now and again you'll get the *feel*. Yes, when fussing with > aluminum, *feel* is important. > > Also check the Fiarfax Co rec classes and CC classes. I seem to recall a few > offers for M/C maintenance classes. A good place to get started. > > Onr more semi-point. I have this warped philosophy. If *soemone* put the damn > thing togetehr, *I* can take it apart and put it together again. Yes, at times > that has gotten me over my head. That's when you call up your favorite wrench > pal and go HELP! > > Bill > > > > Marcy wrote: > >> I posted this question once before and no one answered so I don't know if >> you didn't see the post or if there simply is no answer :D so I want to ask >> again ... does anyone know of someplace I can learn basic motorcycle >> mechanics? or should I just accept the invitation I have to go hang out at >> Crossroads Cycles and pay attention to what's going on? >> >> thanks! >> >> >>>>>>>Marcy >> >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >> >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 15:32:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2IKWk929516 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-181.patriot.net [209.249.180.181]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22652 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:32:41 -0500 Message-ID: <38D3E736.E1F9439@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:29:42 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: So I went to the circles thang ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I know, the temp wuz below my age, and the damn Hawg needed a hi-power juice input (jump from truck) to get fired up, but the sun wuz shining! Zzzzooommm... Big-as wreck on I-95 - road closed. Got shunted off on the outer loop and skipped the first exits which were jammed up with Wheredafugareqwes? Chugged very slowley down US-1, inheavy traffic, got back on I-95 and Zzooommm... Cuing off a message from Dale, I got off on 160 and went on a parking lot hunt. Found the commuter lot, and saw a couple circles, BUT NO FRIGGING BIKES!!! This ws about one I think (no watch). I had left Annandale about 11. So I cruised thru the nearby shopping centers figuring maybe everyone had a bog mac attack or something. Nada, not one ride to be seen. Oh well, back onto I-95. Zzzzoommm.... Opps. Seems they have I-95 closed going north too! Crappers. Off onto Backlick - shoulda taken Frfx parkway fer sure. By now my clutch paw is getting cramps from doing the world's longest slow ride - chuga chuga chuga. Stopped in Cycle Sport for a rest, than back on Backlick at around 2:10. Zzzooommm.... Yeah, right. Halfway tro Annandale I finally got to test 2nd gear and missed it! Hey, been a long time since I had to use it. And yes, Harleys have false nuetrals everywhere, included nuetral itself. My electronic rev limiter has electron dents in the stops. *chuf chuf* Crappers, outta gas. So I stop for gas. YIKES! $7 to fill up a dinky m/c tank!!! Gassed up, I head home, all of four blocks. Zzzooomm.... *Scee-ee-ee-ee* (brakes) A bit after 3 PM. Near an hour to go from Cycle Sport to backlick/braddock? You gotta luv No VA traffic. Sooo, where in hell were you guys??? I hope the deal wasn't busted - again, or that y`all had a mishap and had to cart someone to the ER. Bill Back from road trip - average speed 2.1 MPH From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 17:58:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2IMvw901808 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-181.patriot.net [209.249.180.181]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA32610; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: <38D4093F.A2B5D936@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:54:55 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcy CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: mechanic course References: <200003181809.KAA25191@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Step One: RE jap tool kits - Take tool kit to Sears and replace all the bits with real tools. Might want to add a small Vice-grip plier. Step Two: RE jap bikes - remove all the cheesy phillips head screws (might require hammer driven impact wrench) and replace with Allen heads. Don't forget to add appropriate Allen head drivers to tool kit. Step Three: RE future maintenence - familiarize oneself with Heli-coils. Manuals: I'm betting there's an aftermarket manual series for jap bikes. Sure is enough avaliable for brit bikes, and tons of Harley stuff. Most OEM jap manuals I had were dern good. Unlike my H-D manual which blows goats. Ask a few wrenchs about general manuals and books. I'm at that been there done that *guy* stage - you know, take stuff apart until *bawoingggg* Oh shoot, where'd that come from? Bill Marcy wrote: > hahahahaha > "warmed up indeed" > thanks all for your advice .... duh the MANUAL! :D CB-1 manuals can be hard > to come by actually, the the tool kit that comes with the bike is pitiful at > best ... > > but Bill, I definitely agree with your theory that if someone put it > together I can take it apart :D > > how about suggestions for a good book too? I do NOT know anything about how > engines, transmissions and other mechanical stuff works .... > > thanks again guys > === > M > From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 18:26:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2INQR902193 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-254-96.s96.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.254.96]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12WSbW-0007QM-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:25:59 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: anyone have a 95 zx6r repair manual? Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:28:40 GMT Message-ID: <38d43b03.288088497@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2INQV902194 anyone have a 95 zx6r repair manual? I need a quick tidbit of information from it. Let me know, thanks Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 19:33:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2J0XH903285 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts010d13.phx-az1.concentric.net (HELO tra) (207.155.237.217) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 16:33:05 -0800 X-Apparently-From: From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/18/00 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:30:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf913a$5682da10$d9ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003190000.e2J001Z02777@dirty.meretrix.com> > Step One: RE jap tool kits - Take tool kit to Sears and replace > all the bits with > real tools. Might want to add a small Vice-grip plier I can kinda agree with that, but some of those tools come in handy in the tool-kit. Most important thing to remember, if you use the right tool for the job, you'll probably not bugger anything up or need to *ahem* replace them. > Step Two: RE jap bikes - remove all the cheesy phillips head > screws (might require > hammer driven impact wrench) and replace with Allen heads. Don't > forget to add > appropriate Allen head drivers to tool kit. See above, if you use the right tool for the job (as in correct size screwdriver), they likely won't get buggered up. Those things don't require a whole hell of a lot of torque. > Step Three: RE future maintenence - familiarize oneself with Heli-coils. Helicoils aren't the choice of most mechanics. Try looking into Time-serts (might be timezerts - the name's rubbed off all the boxes I've seen). They're just a much more durable thread replacement. > > Manuals: I'm betting there's an aftermarket manual series for > jap bikes. Though Haynes and Clymer manuals are readily available, there's nothing like having the OEM service manual (I've experience with all the Jap makes and HD - they're all far superior to the aftermarket alternative). You should be able to go into any Honda dealer and pay $41 for a new CB-1 service manual.. Honda's still producing and selling parts for every motorcycle they've made all the way back to sometime in the mid 70's - they keep a large stockpile of parts around. As for learning mechanics at home.. there are a couple 'learn at home' type corisponcance courses, as well as the major MMI/AMI type schools. If you're just looking for the basics to learn about your bike - the best thing to do is read the manual and follow what it says. They don't always tell you Every step (a lot of it is written based on some basic comon sense), but if you don't understand part of it, jump on the phone to someone who can help. My shop in MD (The Dirt/Motorcycle Shop - Rt1 in College Park) was more than willing to help me with anything I didn't automatically understand. You mentioned something about learning electronics too, again - the best thing is to just read the electricl section of the service manual and practice all the tests they run. If you want a more indepth understanding, take a trip to a Barnes&Noble or similar and pick up some books on electrical systems (there might even be a few in the MC department). There's not a whole hell of a lot to motorcycles. They really are very basic and simple creations (ok, we'll make an obvious exception of the Goldwing with it's mile+ long wires). Hands on and doing the work yourself is the best way to learn, and learning by watching a competant person is the next best thing (for myself, and most others I know). Cheers, and good luck Brian McCoy (MMI student.. or so they tell me) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 20:36:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2J1aa904257 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-181.patriot.net [209.249.180.181]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA09893; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:36:09 -0500 Message-ID: <38D42E57.ED75114A@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:33:11 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/18/00 References: <000001bf913a$5682da10$d9ed9bcf@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah, maybe on a brand spanky new bike. Or maybe the modern versions of jap bikes have better fasteners. The 70s and 80s vintage bikes I worked on required an impact screwdriver and much help from my assitants, jesus h christ and goddammit to get those cheesy screws loose. Apparently, the OEM never heard of never-sieze. The *right* tool back in them days was a hammer and an impact screwdriver. Never leave home without one :-) Bill one of those sillys who carted four pounds of tools on a bike that never broke. Brian McCoy wrote: > See above, if you use the right tool for the job (as in correct size > screwdriver), they likely won't get buggered up. Those things don't require > a whole hell of a lot of torque. From dc-cycles-request Sat Mar 18 22:04:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2J34j905586 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [216.67.9.112] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A3CA2890033E; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:04:42 -0500 Message-ID: <38D44396.EFB0F171@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:03:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So I went to the circles thang ... References: <38D3E736.E1F9439@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > Cuing off a message from Dale, I got off on 160 and went on a parking > lot hunt. Found the commuter lot, and saw a couple circles, BUT NO > FRIGGING BIKES!!! This ws about one I think (no watch). I had left > Annandale about 11. Oh jeez that sounded like a fun trip - not! Sorry we missed you. We were there until about noon - Leon, Roger Crouse (who was riding a minivan instead of his bike), Mark Petty (new dad!) on his Magna, Kirk Roy (riding a truck with two dirtbikes in the back and the whole family along!), and me on BugSlayer. We did lots of big circles, small circles, cone weaves, and brake checks, then decided no-one else was gonna show. Chris Norloff on his ST1100 quickly disproved that idea. :) I guess they stayed for a little while longer - I went home to grab up the kids (and the beer!) and headed over to Leon's place where we spent the rest of the afternoon. We should have a bigger crowd tomorrow (and it might be warmer!). Still planning on 9am to 2pm, at the I-95 Exit 160 commuter lot. Kirk won the Ducati - maybe I'll have better luck tomorrow. That Duck was kinda neat, even if it did have a chain drive. > Bill > Back from road trip - average speed 2.1 MPH That was about my average speed too - those circles are TIGHT!!! Great practice. Glad I didn't stall out. :) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 19 00:34:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2J5YK908049 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.8a.1bdbcf0 (6539) for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:32:53 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8a.1bdbcf0.2605c085@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:32:53 EST Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/18/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 I never had any problems getting fasteners loose on either my 85 Nighthawk CB450, or my 83 Shadow VT750C. The one exception were the allen-head bolts on the stator cover on my Shadow. Lots of torque, and not much space to work with, but they did come loose after adding an extension to the allen wrench. FWIW, both the Nighthawk and Shadow had very complete tool kits. YMMV. Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" 99 Guzzi EV "Dolce" In a message dated 3/18/00 8:40:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << Oh yeah, maybe on a brand spanky new bike. Or maybe the modern versions of jap bikes have better fasteners. The 70s and 80s vintage bikes I worked on required an impact screwdriver and much help from my assitants, jesus h christ and goddammit to get those cheesy screws loose. Apparently, the OEM never heard of never-sieze. The *right* tool back in them days was a hammer and an impact screwdriver. Never leave home without one :-) >> From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 19 02:30:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2J7U4910707 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22381 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2000 07:30:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000319073001.22380.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.208.165.68] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:30:01 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:30:01 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: So I went to the circles thang ... To: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry about leaving so early. We were pretty much packed up by noon. I'll try to stay longer Sunday. Leon. --- Bill Huson wrote: > Yeah, I know, the temp wuz below my age, and the > damn Hawg needed a > hi-power juice input (jump from truck) to get fired > up, but the sun wuz > shining! Zzzzooommm... > > Big-as wreck on I-95 - road closed. Got shunted > off on the outer loop > and skipped the first exits which were jammed up > with > Wheredafugareqwes? Chugged very slowley down US-1, > inheavy traffic, > got back on I-95 and Zzooommm... > > Cuing off a message from Dale, I got off on 160 and > went on a parking > lot hunt. Found the commuter lot, and saw a couple > circles, BUT NO > FRIGGING BIKES!!! This ws about one I think (no > watch). I had left > Annandale about 11. So I cruised thru the nearby > shopping centers > figuring maybe everyone had a bog mac attack or > something. Nada, not > one ride to be seen. Oh well, back onto I-95. > Zzzzoommm.... > > Opps. Seems they have I-95 closed going north too! > Crappers. Off onto > Backlick - shoulda taken Frfx parkway fer sure. By > now my clutch paw is > getting cramps from doing the world's longest slow > ride - chuga chuga > chuga. Stopped in Cycle Sport for a rest, than back > on Backlick at > around 2:10. Zzzooommm.... Yeah, right. > > Halfway tro Annandale I finally got to test 2nd gear > and missed it! > Hey, been a long time since I had to use it. And > yes, Harleys have > false nuetrals everywhere, included nuetral itself. > My electronic rev > limiter has electron dents in the stops. *chuf > chuf* Crappers, outta > gas. So I stop for gas. YIKES! $7 to fill up a > dinky m/c tank!!! > Gassed up, I head home, all of four blocks. > Zzzooomm.... > *Scee-ee-ee-ee* (brakes) A bit after 3 PM. Near > an hour to go from > Cycle Sport to backlick/braddock? You gotta luv No > VA traffic. > > Sooo, where in hell were you guys??? I hope the > deal wasn't busted - > again, or that y`all had a mishap and had to cart > someone to the ER. > > Bill > Back from road trip - average speed 2.1 MPH > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Mar 19 14:44:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2JJi4921576 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-8.patriot.net [209.249.181.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA30774 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:44:00 -0500 Message-ID: <38D52D4A.C7C3F02B@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:40:58 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The circle jinx... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lemme tell you, the second trip to the circles event was as brutal as the first. No traffic jam, but I pulled off on exit 160 and *bleep* NO OIL PRESSURE!!! So I pushed the frigging Hawg to the gas station and WALKED to the parking lot. Yessiree, this close I wasn't going to be denied. Pretty cool. Saw one *unnamed* poster dump during the brake thang. No injuries, save for a bit of scuuffed plastic. The interlocking circles deal was kick-ass! Fun watching Dale wheel his Concours around them. My cuz arrived with the Harley road assistance plan - pickup and ramps. Unfortunately he forgot to bring at least four gorillas to load the bike. If you hear loud groans tomorrow AM that will be me trying to get outta bed. I think I even sprained rny ear lobes. No diagnostics yet, so stay tuned for the elusive oil pressure fix. I hoping for a bad sender unit. Anyway, the circles thang was good show. I think Leon needs to bring the John Deere Special down to King Street in Alex for *poser* night. heh heh Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 08:46:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KDkr909827 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-98.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FRQ00IBG3KSSM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:46:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:47:05 -0500 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party To: DC Cycles Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <38D62BC9.4817C069@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf A good time was had by all at Brian Roach's house yesterday evening. The beer was cold, the pizza was hot, and the racing was fast and furious. A great race for second place in the South African round of the FIM 250 cc Championship was followed by a spectacular come-from-nowhere victory by Australian Gary McCoy in the 500 cc event. For the last 10 laps of the race, most watching (including the rider behind him) were convinced he was going to crash at any moment, as he left lurid black marks out of nearly every turn, at times looking like a stunt rider with the bike sideways and front wheel clawing the air. And we saw it all on the most bodacious television set I have ever seen. Thanks, Brian, for a great evening of beer drinking, bench racing, and bullshitting. Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 08:57:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KDvf910011 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA05340 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:57:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <010701bf926b$de81d5b0$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <38D62BC9.4817C069@loudoun.com> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:57:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Thanks for telling us the ending to the 500. Now I don't need to "bother" watching the tape of the race. :( Danny '99 VFR '99 SV (race bike) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy and Julie Moran To: DC Cycles Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:47 AM Subject: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party > A good time was had by all at Brian Roach's house yesterday evening. The > beer was cold, the pizza was hot, and the racing was fast and furious. A > great race for second place in the South African round of the FIM 250 cc > Championship was followed by a spectacular come-from-nowhere victory by > Australian Gary McCoy in the 500 cc event. For the last 10 laps of the > race, most watching (including the rider behind him) were convinced he > was going to crash at any moment, as he left lurid black marks out of > nearly every turn, at times looking like a stunt rider with the bike > sideways and front wheel clawing the air. > > And we saw it all on the most bodacious television set I have ever seen. > Thanks, Brian, for a great evening of beer drinking, bench racing, and > bullshitting. > > Randy Moran > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 09:02:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2KE2w910116 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7241 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2000 14:02:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000320140255.7240.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:02:55 PST Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:02:55 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: The circle jinx... To: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > Lemme tell you, the second trip to the circles event > was as brutal as the first. The "brake thang" won't be back. Everyone who attempted it slid one tire or the other and usually both. There was a little sand on the road there, but not enough to be able to see it. Circles was fun, but we need to do this more often. Look for it to be setup again at another event over the summer. People who were present Saturday were: Leon, JD Ninja 250 Roger Crouse, van, with his daughter and mine (both 7) and their bicycles. Mark Petty, Magna V65 Dale Horstmann, Kawi Concours, with push brooms. Kirk Roy, a pair of dirt bikes, pickup truck, two bicycles, wife Anna, and two daughters ages 6 and 3. Chris Norloff, ST1100 People who were present on Sunday: Leon, Ninja 250 Bill Swanson, Vulcan 750 Sean Jordan, Honda CBR1000 Roger Crouse, Yamaha Seca II Dale Horstmann, Kawi Concours Craig Johnston, Honda VF500 Todd Peer, Honda CB750 Sean Sullivan, Yamaha YZF? 750 Bill Huson, w/o Harley, but later with cousin and pickup. I gave the prizes away as follows: Kirk Roy - Ducati 996 Sean Jordan - CBR600 Dale Horstmann - Ninja 750 (with lifetime, 'no-maintenance' chain) Roger Crouse - Yamaha R1 I've got this feeling that I left someone out, Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 09:05:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KE5p910206 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:06:18 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B5EF@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'jmoran@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:03:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hear, hear. Thanks Brian and thanks for the leathers loan for CSS. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy and Julie Moran [SMTP:jmoran@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:47 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party > > A good time was had by all at Brian Roach's house yesterday evening. The > beer was cold, the pizza was hot, and the racing was fast and furious. A > great race for second place in the South African round of the FIM 250 cc > Championship was followed by a spectacular come-from-nowhere victory by > Australian Gary McCoy in the 500 cc event. For the last 10 laps of the > race, most watching (including the rider behind him) were convinced he > was going to crash at any moment, as he left lurid black marks out of > nearly every turn, at times looking like a stunt rider with the bike > sideways and front wheel clawing the air. > > And we saw it all on the most bodacious television set I have ever seen. > Thanks, Brian, for a great evening of beer drinking, bench racing, and > bullshitting. > > Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 09:13:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KEDl910315 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:13:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:13:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Definitely. A big thanks to Brian for putting this shindig together. I'm looking forward to the next one. Chris Weaver '98 VTR unicycle > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 9:03 AM > To: 'jmoran@XXXXXX'; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party > > Hear, hear. Thanks Brian and thanks for the leathers loan for CSS. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randy and Julie Moran [SMTP:jmoran@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:47 AM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party > > > > A good time was had by all at Brian Roach's house yesterday evening. The > > beer was cold, the pizza was hot, and the racing was fast and furious. A > > great race for second place in the South African round of the FIM 250 cc > > Championship was followed by a spectacular come-from-nowhere victory by > > Australian Gary McCoy in the 500 cc event. For the last 10 laps of the > > race, most watching (including the rider behind him) were convinced he > > was going to crash at any moment, as he left lurid black marks out of > > nearly every turn, at times looking like a stunt rider with the bike > > sideways and front wheel clawing the air. > > > > And we saw it all on the most bodacious television set I have ever seen. > > Thanks, Brian, for a great evening of beer drinking, bench racing, and > > bullshitting. > > > > Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 09:18:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KEIU910413 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-98.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FRQ00JKM51JC3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:17:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:18:47 -0500 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party To: Danny Thompson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <38D63333.99FC6BEE@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: <38D62BC9.4817C069@loudoun.com> <010701bf926b$de81d5b0$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> My sincerest apologies. I didn't even think about that. Randy Danny Thompson wrote: > Thanks for telling us the ending to the 500. Now I don't need to "bother" > watching the tape of the race. :( From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 09:35:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KEZ1910750 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA18268; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:34:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <012701bf9271$15d4ca90$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Cc: References: <38D62BC9.4817C069@loudoun.com><010701bf926b$de81d5b0$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> <38D63333.99FC6BEE@loudoun.com> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:34:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Not really a problem, mostly just ragging you. :) I will still enjoy watching the race I am sure. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV (race bike) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy and Julie Moran To: Danny Thompson Cc: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 9:18 AM Subject: Re: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party > > My sincerest apologies. I didn't even think about that. > > Randy > > Danny Thompson wrote: > > > Thanks for telling us the ending to the 500. Now I don't need to "bother" > > watching the tape of the race. :( > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 11:08:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KG8r912451 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA18648 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:08:46 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF925A.971AEF60.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:53:55 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a great time was had by all. I stayed home for the rare chance to see my wife but hope to attend a future race session. That race was pretty exciting. You could tell the announcers were flipping through all of their press clippings looking for anything on McCoy because no one had heard of the guy. Speedvision's web page says that he was back in Australia just a few weeks ago literally flipping burgers in a fast food restaurant because he had lost his last ride. All in all, I thought their race coverage was better than ESPN's coverage at Daytona. Also, has anyone else noticed that Speedvision is attracting decent sponsors? This year there is Acura and Toyota, etc. I remember last year when there was nothing but the "Crash & Burn" video and that 80's greatest hits CD. Kind of wish I'd ordered that CD, though:) Interesting too, that GP's picked up sponsorship from Cinzano. My family's from Europe, so the Cinzano liquor is something I remember well, but it will be interesting to see what happens when they hold the French GP because the track is owned by Paul Ricard, a competing liquor manufacturer (personally I think the stuff tastes like turpentine, but the French love it). Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Randy and Julie Moran [SMTP:jmoran@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:47 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: DC-Cycles GP Viewing Party A good time was had by all at Brian Roach's house yesterday evening. The beer was cold, the pizza was hot, and the racing was fast and furious. A great race for second place in the South African round of the FIM 250 cc Championship was followed by a spectacular come-from-nowhere victory by Australian Gary McCoy in the 500 cc event. For the last 10 laps of the race, most watching (including the rider behind him) were convinced he was going to crash at any moment, as he left lurid black marks out of nearly every turn, at times looking like a stunt rider with the bike sideways and front wheel clawing the air. And we saw it all on the most bodacious television set I have ever seen. Thanks, Brian, for a great evening of beer drinking, bench racing, and bullshitting. Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 11:22:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KGMn912729 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-97.s97.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.97]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12X4wd-0006M6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:22:19 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: two quick tune up questions Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:25:10 GMT Message-ID: <38d67930.435100072@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2KGMo912730 kawasaki zx6r Do I need a special tool to remove the spark plugs or is there a socket that will work on them? the L shaped boots at the end of the spark plug wires, are they part of the wire? I hope so, one is carroded inside. I finally dug inside my bike today.. pulled the tank, air filter housing and aparently my bike isn't starting due to no spark. Well I need to replace the spark plug wires for sure. They are definitely bad. Just thought i might as well check the plugs while i'm down there. Looks like i have a date with the dirt shop on route one. I hope they have spark plug wires for my bike. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 11:36:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KGah912999 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA27822; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:36:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01c501bf9282$157842f0$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "SV650 List" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Roger Lyle's Test and Tune day Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:36:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone planning to do this Friday? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV (race bike) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 11:45:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KGjw913156 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-97.s97.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.97]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12X5J2-0001tW-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:45:29 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Danny Thompson" Cc: "SV650 List" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: Roger Lyle's Test and Tune day Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:48:19 GMT Message-ID: <38d78064.436944427@smtp.erols.com> References: <01c501bf9282$157842f0$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> In-Reply-To: <01c501bf9282$157842f0$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2KGk1913157 What is that? On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:36:36 -0500, you wrote: |>Anyone planning to do this Friday? |> |>Danny |>'99 VFR |>'99 SV (race bike) |>Warrenton, VA |> |>Sponsored by: |>Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 11:48:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KGmH913174 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id n.15.20e93a1 (9819); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:48:03 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15.20e93a1.2607b042@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:48:02 EST Subject: Re: Roger Lyle's Test and Tune day To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, SV650-L@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 3/20/00 11:37:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone planning to do this Friday? Randy, Brad, and I will all be there. It does require a race license BTW, not an open track day like the ones put on by the local bike shops (Did you get your license last year, or going to this year?) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 12:00:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KH00913399 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.90.1f13dd1 (9819); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:59:46 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <90.1f13dd1.2607b301@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:59:45 EST Subject: Re: Roger Lyle's Test and Tune day To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 3/20/00 11:47:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > What is that? Roger Lyle is the Safety director at Summit Point (And now for PACE/Formula USA) as well as the President of MARRC. Every year he puts on a test and tune day for racers in March so you can get on the track and shake off the cobwebs as well as test out the work you've done on your bike during the off-season. It's for licensed racers only. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 12:38:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KHcT914023 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:38:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:37:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200003201237.AA314770370@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: The circle jinx... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:02:55 -0800 (PST) >Dale Horstman - Ninja 750 (with lifetime, >'no-maintenance' chain) I wish. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 14:08:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KJ7x915515 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-97.s97.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.97]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12X7VX-00064O-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:06:31 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two quick tune up questions Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:09:23 GMT Message-ID: <38d8a154.445377977@smtp.erols.com> References: <38d67930.435100072@smtp.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <38d67930.435100072@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2KJ8D915521 I talked to the guy at the dirtshop.. told me an 18mm deep socket should do it , and that boot is a serate part. I think i need $105 ignition coils though.. my ignition lock broke in the on position, and it was on for an hour or two. anyone know if that can damage them? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 14:22:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.house.gov (orion.house.gov [143.231.86.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KJMm915796 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims04.house.gov (hrmims04.house.gov [143.231.32.160]) by orion.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21960 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims04.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:22:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: employment opportunities Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:22:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) A friend of mine at the American Motorcyclist Association is hiring a Legislative Aid to work in their DC office. We all know how nice it would be to have someone on the inside so I welcome questions from any interested parties. It helps if you have federal or state government experience. And please respond directly to me, thanks. Seth '98 Suz TLR From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 14:54:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KJsF916328 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-97.s97.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.97]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12X8FF-0004SM-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:53:46 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: jump starting a bike Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:56:38 GMT Message-ID: <38daa49d.446219067@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2KJsq916329 anyone know what kind of damage over charging a bike does? the few times that i've jumpstarted a bike there wasn't enough strength to turn over the bike, and the car had to be running, and it started fine. now i'm thinking so much chargine the battery yesterday may have damaged an electrical component... my coils? Daniel zx6r From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 15:46:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KKkq917189 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-234.patriot.net [209.249.180.234]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA30888; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:46:46 -0500 Message-ID: <38D68D7D.607C37E3@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:43:41 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: jump starting a bike References: <38daa49d.446219067@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not the coils. Pushing to much juice in a winky m/c battery can damage the battery, and voltage regulators have been known to croak on a jump start. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > anyone know what kind of damage over charging a bike does? > > the few times that i've jumpstarted a bike there wasn't enough > strength to turn over the bike, and the car had to be running, and it > started fine. > > now i'm thinking so much chargine the battery yesterday may have > damaged an electrical component... my coils? > > Daniel > zx6r From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 15:48:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KKmU917209 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-97.s97.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.97]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12X95k-0005aZ-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:48:00 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: jump starting a bike Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:50:53 GMT Message-ID: <38ddb919.451463467@smtp.erols.com> References: <38daa49d.446219067@smtp.erols.com> <38D68D7D.607C37E3@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <38D68D7D.607C37E3@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2KKmW917210 Thanks for the information. From this manual I believe my zx6r is a 12 volt system.. I used to think bikes were 6 volts. or did they just switch to 12 volts at some point in time? Daniel On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:43:41 -0500, you wrote: |>Not the coils. Pushing to much juice in a winky m/c battery can damage |>the battery, and voltage regulators have been known to croak on a jump |>start. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 15:51:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KKpX917308 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-234.patriot.net [209.249.180.234]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA31747; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:51:27 -0500 Message-ID: <38D68E97.910E6096@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:48:23 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two quick tune up questions References: <38d67930.435100072@smtp.erols.com> <38d8a154.445377977@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Again not the coils, would be my gues from many moons of tinkering. Coils are damn near indestructable. The last thing you check when having a spark prob. Leaving the ignition on in the days of points and condensors could burn up the points. About the only thing I've used up leaving the ignition on with electronic parts is the battery juice. I've never fried any modern igniton parts by leaving the key on. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I talked to the guy at the dirtshop.. > told me an 18mm deep socket should do it , and that boot is a serate > part. > > I think i need $105 ignition coils though.. my ignition lock broke in > the on position, and it was on for an hour or two. anyone know if that > can damage them? > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 15:53:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KKri917338 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-234.patriot.net [209.249.180.234]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA32131; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:53:39 -0500 Message-ID: <38D68F1B.79A6DBD6@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:50:35 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: jump starting a bike References: <38daa49d.446219067@smtp.erols.com> <38D68D7D.607C37E3@patriot.net> <38ddb919.451463467@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, switched to 12 volts back in nineteen ought six or somewheres around there. (joke) Actually later than that but if it doesn't qualify for antique tags it will be 12 volts. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks for the information. From this manual I believe my zx6r is a 12 > volt system.. I used to think bikes were 6 volts. or did they just > switch to 12 volts at some point in time? > > Daniel > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:43:41 -0500, you wrote: > > |>Not the coils. Pushing to much juice in a winky m/c battery can damage > |>the battery, and voltage regulators have been known to croak on a jump > |>start. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 15:58:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KKw1917425 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-97.s97.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.97]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12X9Ew-00079i-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:57:31 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two quick tune up questions Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:00:23 GMT Message-ID: <38deba7a.451816142@smtp.erols.com> References: <38d67930.435100072@smtp.erols.com> <38d8a154.445377977@smtp.erols.com> <38D68E97.910E6096@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <38D68E97.910E6096@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2KKw2917426 thanks for the help Bill! The bike cranks but it doens't catch. As if there is no fuel ignition... Like in a car chicking for spark, I tried to get the plug wire to fire against the frame of the bike, but no spark showed up. Is that a legitimate test on a motorcycle, and if it is a no spark problem, what would be your guess as to where the problem is? btw this is anoying because the bike was running the same day, and it woudn't start back up even trying to pop start the clutch going down hill quite a few times. : ) (which is how I started it twice that day) Daniel On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:48:23 -0500, you wrote: |>Again not the coils, would be my gues from many moons of tinkering. Coils |>are damn near indestructable. The last thing you check when having a |>spark prob. Leaving the ignition on in the days of points and condensors |>could burn up the points. About the only thing I've used up leaving the |>ignition on with electronic parts is the battery juice. I've never fried |>any modern igniton parts by leaving the key on. |> |>Bill |> |> |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |> |>> I talked to the guy at the dirtshop.. |>> told me an 18mm deep socket should do it , and that boot is a serate |>> part. |>> |>> I think i need $105 ignition coils though.. my ignition lock broke in |>> the on position, and it was on for an hour or two. anyone know if that |>> can damage them? |>> |>> Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 16:04:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KL4E917520 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:04:29 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B604@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Need brake line rec Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:01:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I am going to put stainless steel braided brake lines on my VFR. Any recommendations? From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 16:09:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KL9X917615 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:09:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:09:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200003201609.AA226231278@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: two quick tune up questions X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:00:23 GMT >btw this is anoying because the bike was running the same day, and it >woudn't start back up even trying to pop start the clutch going down >hill quite a few times. : ) (which is how I started it twice that >day) The battery connections are clean and tight, right? You didn't knock them loose trying to jump start the battery? I left the negative terminal loose on the wife's bike once... you only have to do it once before you get really anal about things... :) You should see a small spark if you crank the bike and the plug is touching something metal, like the cylinder head. Make sure the coils are solidly connected to the frame, too - sometimes they'll work loose and not have a good ground connection. Good luck. Dale Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 16:22:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KLMA917845 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-234.patriot.net [209.249.180.234]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04091; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:22:05 -0500 Message-ID: <38D695C5.C286B382@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:19:01 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two quick tune up questions References: <38d67930.435100072@smtp.erols.com> <38d8a154.445377977@smtp.erols.com> <38D68E97.910E6096@patriot.net> <38deba7a.451816142@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit General rule - 80% of all engine failures are caused by ignition problems. Another key point. Electronic ignitions consume a big wad of amperage, around 10 amps or so. If your battery is toast forget it. Make sure all the connections are clean and secure and charge or replace the battery, then try it. I seem to recall that you have more than one bike - have you tried using the best battery from the lot? Might check any fuses in the line too. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > thanks for the help Bill! > > The bike cranks but it doens't catch. As if there is no fuel > ignition... Like in a car chicking for spark, I tried to get the > plug wire to fire against the frame of the bike, but no spark showed > up. > > Is that a legitimate test on a motorcycle, and if it is a no spark > problem, what would be your guess as to where the problem is? > > btw this is anoying because the bike was running the same day, and it > woudn't start back up even trying to pop start the clutch going down > hill quite a few times. : ) (which is how I started it twice that > day) > > Daniel > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:48:23 -0500, you wrote: > > |>Again not the coils, would be my gues from many moons of tinkering. Coils > |>are damn near indestructable. The last thing you check when having a > |>spark prob. Leaving the ignition on in the days of points and condensors > |>could burn up the points. About the only thing I've used up leaving the > |>ignition on with electronic parts is the battery juice. I've never fried > |>any modern igniton parts by leaving the key on. > |> > |>Bill > |> > |> > |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > |> > |>> I talked to the guy at the dirtshop.. > |>> told me an 18mm deep socket should do it , and that boot is a serate > |>> part. > |>> > |>> I think i need $105 ignition coils though.. my ignition lock broke in > |>> the on position, and it was on for an hour or two. anyone know if that > |>> can damage them? > |>> > |>> Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 16:22:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KLMp917855 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-97.s97.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.97]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12X9cz-0002wh-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:22:21 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: two quick tune up questions Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:25:14 GMT Message-ID: <38dfbeb1.452895322@smtp.erols.com> References: <200003201609.AA226231278@tidalwave.net> In-Reply-To: <200003201609.AA226231278@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2KLMq917856 The coils aren't grounded to the frame well at all... and I don't think they have been.. though... the battery connections are nice and tight though. From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 16:28:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KLSI917952 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-97.s97.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.97]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12X9iD-0003mB-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:27:46 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two quick tune up questions Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:30:38 GMT Message-ID: <38e0c19d.453643997@smtp.erols.com> References: <38d67930.435100072@smtp.erols.com> <38d8a154.445377977@smtp.erols.com> <38D68E97.910E6096@patriot.net> <38deba7a.451816142@smtp.erols.com> <38D695C5.C286B382@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <38D695C5.C286B382@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2KLSK917953 I checked the fuses in the fuse box they were fine. I had plenty of cranking power with jumper cables... still no fire : ( Daniel On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:19:01 -0500, you wrote: |>General rule - 80% of all engine failures are caused by ignition problems. |>Another key point. Electronic ignitions consume a big wad of amperage, around |>10 amps or so. If your battery is toast forget it. Make sure all the |>connections are clean and secure and charge or replace the battery, then try |>it. I seem to recall that you have more than one bike - have you tried using |>the best battery from the lot? Might check any fuses in the line too. |> |>Bill |> |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |> |>> thanks for the help Bill! |>> |>> The bike cranks but it doens't catch. As if there is no fuel |>> ignition... Like in a car chicking for spark, I tried to get the |>> plug wire to fire against the frame of the bike, but no spark showed |>> up. |>> |>> Is that a legitimate test on a motorcycle, and if it is a no spark |>> problem, what would be your guess as to where the problem is? |>> |>> btw this is anoying because the bike was running the same day, and it |>> woudn't start back up even trying to pop start the clutch going down |>> hill quite a few times. : ) (which is how I started it twice that |>> day) |>> |>> Daniel |>> |>> On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:48:23 -0500, you wrote: |>> |>> |>Again not the coils, would be my gues from many moons of tinkering. Coils |>> |>are damn near indestructable. The last thing you check when having a |>> |>spark prob. Leaving the ignition on in the days of points and condensors |>> |>could burn up the points. About the only thing I've used up leaving the |>> |>ignition on with electronic parts is the battery juice. I've never fried |>> |>any modern igniton parts by leaving the key on. |>> |> |>> |>Bill |>> |> |>> |> |>> |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |>> |> |>> |>> I talked to the guy at the dirtshop.. |>> |>> told me an 18mm deep socket should do it , and that boot is a serate |>> |>> part. |>> |>> |>> |>> I think i need $105 ignition coils though.. my ignition lock broke in |>> |>> the on position, and it was on for an hour or two. anyone know if that |>> |>> can damage them? |>> |>> |>> |>> Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 17:26:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2KMQ9918876 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.ad.19b626a (4329); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:25:58 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:25:57 EST Subject: Re: jump starting a bike To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 3/20/00 3:49:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks for the information. From this manual I believe my zx6r is a 12 > volt system.. I used to think bikes were 6 volts. or did they just > switch to 12 volts at some point in time? Correct - all modern bikes use a 12 volt system. I've occasionally had to jump-start my bikes (main reason: parking lights. Do we REALLY need parking lights, and does it have to be just past lock on the ignition switch?), and have never had any probs with the battery or electrical system. I use a battery tender now a days, but still would jump my bike if I weren't home and it was down on juice. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 19:31:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2L0VG921201 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts011d08.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.238.20] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:31:10 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: staring problem.. Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:28:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bf92cc$524d3b00$14ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal well, I haven't done the electrical thing in school yet.. but: If the starter engine is turning over, you probably have enough batter power to start the bike (that's the biggest draw). Leaving the bike on won't damage a coil (an inductive coil is litteraly 2 seperate windings of copper wire around an iron core - forms an electromagnet). They are almost inpossible to destroy. Start trouble-shooting with the simple things first. Pull a spark plug and put it in the boot - ground the end of the plug to something metal and try to start the bike. Are you getting a spark? Yes: then look at fuel delievery or something mechanical not working. NO: follow the wire back and double check that the coil's mounted correctly (factory service manual helps here) - if you've got a multi-meter - check the lines aswell to see that everything's to the manual's specs. If the coils are mounted right, track the connections back to the CDI uint (there will be some couplers along the path - disconnect, clean with contact cleaner and inspect the wires.. they shouldn't be burnet or look in bad condition). If the CDI checks out correctly, check the pulse generator with a multi-meter. It's bound to be somewhere in that section if it's electrical (I wouldn't even look at the charging system - it's not infuencing the spark). Also, the factory service manual will have some troubleshooting help in the electrical section.. :) How's everyone at the Dirt Shop anyway? I know they lost Tommy (the last mechanic) - how's the new replacement? Next time you're in there.. tell them hi from Brian at MMI - (they know me as 'Our Brian'.. lol). Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 19:41:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2L0fE921327 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA03376 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:41:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:41:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: staring problem.. In-Reply-To: <000701bf92cc$524d3b00$14ee9bcf@tra> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Brian McCoy wrote: > How's everyone at the Dirt Shop anyway? I know they lost Tommy (the > last mechanic) - how's the new replacement? What replacement? They've hired some guys but they don't have a mechanic at this point. I don't know what Ralph and Rock are doing in terms of keeping up with real mechanical stuff. I assume they're doing it themselves. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 20:54:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2L1ss922568 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from rr (user112.anent.com [208.195.115.112]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03425; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:52:56 -0500 Message-ID: <00b101bf92d9$4a058ee0$7073c3d0@rr> From: "peggrinder" To: Cc: Subject: Really Nice Bike.!!! 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straut_ronald@XXXXXX ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01BF92AF.6022F8E0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Mar 20 21:56:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2L2uc923539 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-97.s97.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.97]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12XEpW-0001vv-00; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:55:39 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: staring problem.. Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:58:30 GMT Message-ID: <38d80cee.472927393@smtp.erols.com> References: <000701bf92cc$524d3b00$14ee9bcf@tra> In-Reply-To: <000701bf92cc$524d3b00$14ee9bcf@tra> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2L2un923540 I called the dirtshop, they didn't have the spark plug wires so I didn't go.. but the guy did answer my two questions. btw is the guy named rock the same guy who has a black zx11 with a green gas tank (that he put together himself from parts)? Or a different guy? It's definitely a no spark problem and I think Bill is right, the coils seem to test okay.. on to more testing tomorrow oh joy : ) Atleast i'm learning about my bike.. before I didnt' know what the carbs looked like.. or where they were.. same for fuel pump and starter.. Daniel thanks for the help so far Bill, Brian, Leon : ) I'm confident I can solve the problem (eventually). : ) From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 07:17:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2LCGt903553 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00025; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <1V5VJHL9>; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D1321@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Bill Huson'" , daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: two quick tune up questions Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:19:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >General rule - 80% of all engine failures are caused by ignition problems. >Another key point. Electronic ignitions consume a big wad of amperage, around >10 amps or so. If your battery is toast forget it. Make sure all the >connections are clean and secure and charge or replace the battery, then try >it. I seem to recall that you have more than one bike - have you tried using >the best battery from the lot? Might check any fuses in the line too. Ditto, my XJ is an amperage addict. The crank motor consumes so much juice that the spark plugss may fire poorly or not at all. A lack of battery power is the highest value target for starting problems. I have resorted to using my car battery--ENGINE OFF--to give that extra boost of juice. Just like those old prop planes without there own battery ;) Times like that make me wish I had a good multi-meter. Good luck, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 09:31:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web507.mail.yahoo.com (web507.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2LEUx906578 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22716 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Mar 2000 14:30:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20000321143053.22715.qmail@web507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.193] by web507.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:30:53 PST Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need brake line rec To: Mark Kitchell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am going to put stainless steel braided brake > lines on my VFR. Any recommendations? I like the Goodridge lines on my RR. Any coated, braided line will be noticeably better than stock. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 10:56:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2LFud908280 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:56:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Wheel Ding Update Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:56:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks to everyone for their advice about my pothole-induced front wheel damage. I bought a used Pit-Bull front stand from Fast Lane the other day and took the wheel off. Yesterday, I took it to GRD Cycle (www.grdcycle.com) in south-eastern Maryland. For the time being, I'm going to settle for a repaired wheel rather than a new one. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. GRD is a good place to find a cheap used bike. They have a LOT of them for sale there. They do some totalled-bike repairs, though, so be sure of what you're buying. From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 12:49:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2LHnq910229 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:50:18 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B623@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'VFR List'" Subject: AMA Superbikes at Road Atlanta Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:47:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Is anyone planning to attend the Road Atlanta races June 2-4? I am heading down Thursday night to visit a friend and will attend all three days. Would love to meet up with some listers. Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 15:52:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com ([204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2LKqn913234 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id PAA02780; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:54:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38D7E0D9.897A39B6@pti.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:51:37 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: jump starting a bike References: <38daa49d.446219067@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just for future reference you really don't want the car running when you jump the bike. I fried the charging system in an old Yamaha I had once. While they are both 12v the car (especially with the alternator producing, i.e. engine running) produces way to many amps for the motorcycles system and can have a nasty effect on the bike. It turned out to be a $500 lesson for me. I'm not sure if that still holds true with the bike they are now building but would think it would. With the size and CCA of a car, it shouldn't be necessary to have the car running anyway. If it takes more than that to get the bike started, the bike needs more than a new battery. Hope this helps Nelson From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 16:51:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2LLox914214 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06531 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (pm2a-109.his.com [216.200.82.109]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24424 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:50:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000321165003.009242e0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:50:03 -0500 To: "D.C. Cycles" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Roger Lyle's Test and Tune day In-Reply-To: <01c501bf9282$157842f0$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:36 AM 3/20/00 -0500, Danny Thompson wrote: >Anyone planning to do this Friday? > I'll be there, grey & white TL-R #911 pitted with Dave Yaakov. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 16:56:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2LLu8914227 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-247-246.s246.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.247.246] helo=l4rite) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12XWcf-0007VW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:55:33 -0500 Message-ID: <02b901bf9380$c2088b20$9280a4d8@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: <3.0.5.32.20000321165003.009242e0@mail.his.com> Subject: Re: Roger Lyle's Test and Tune day Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:59:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I should be heading out also to work the corners and take pictures of you guys riding.....I have my truck and trailer if anyone needs a ride or something hauled out there....thanxxx Les From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 17:13:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2LMDo914557 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-87-152.s152.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.87.152]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12XWuN-0004de-00; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:13:51 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Wheel Ding Update Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:15:37 GMT Message-ID: <38d81e38.23121328@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2LMDs914558 So how much do they charge and how long will it take them to fix the wheel? From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 17:18:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from sandy.surfsouth.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [205.139.60.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2LMIe914644 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (01-alba-043.dial.optilinkcomm.net [216.128.144.126]) by sandy.surfsouth.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA16408; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: <38C5FDEC.2217@surfsouth.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:14:52 -0800 From: James Bair Organization: Adventure Airlines X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" , "'VFR List'" Subject: Re: AMA Superbikes at Road Atlanta References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B623@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: Is anyone planning to attend the Road Atlanta races June 2-4? I am heading down Thursday night to visit a friend and will attend all three days. Would love to meet up with some listers. Mark, Most of the group from South Georgia plan on attending, we usually arrive very early on friday morning to set up camp. If all goes well we should have four tents and a sun canopy set up across the road on the hill adjacent to turns 10-11. I would guess we will have about 5 VFR's and a few Kawasaki ELR's parked close by. We will be easy to spot, all of us are overage, overweight and sunburned with a beer in each hand. We hope to be flying some type of VFR list flags to attract a little attention. I checked the Road Atlanta site earlier and the tickets have not gone on sale for the Big Kahuna yet. We would love to meet some fellow listers, it seems everytime we set a meeting something happens and we get missed. I believe Dan Cox from Columbus and Craig Stewart from Kennesaw will be there also. Hope to see you there . :-) JayBee ============================================================= James Bair USMC retired 98 VFR800 Red Heli-Bars Sargent Seat Micron Slip-on Auto-Gems RKA Tank Bag Dodge Truck Horn Mag-Knight Bra Dunlop 207's Polished Wheels Tailocker Trunk Mobil 1 & WD-40 Throttlemeister Hella 55/60w Y2K Mirrors ============================================================= From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 19:19:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2M0J2916680 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dyn43.c5200-4.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.74.43]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id TAA23506 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:18:58 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000321185223.00c29210@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:52:23 -0500 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: plain wrapper in Springfield Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2M0JC916681 Hi, FWIW, I saw a black Chevy Suburban with dark tint windows heading south on 95 at Springfield Sunday morning. He had the blue lights flashing. I'd never seen one of those before. Andrew ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 20:39:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2M1dq917906 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from chpm3-7-128.olg.com (unverified [205.252.105.128]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:33:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:37:20 -0500 (EST) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: Marcy cc: Bill Huson , DC Cycles Subject: Re: mechanic course In-Reply-To: <200003181809.KAA25191@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For honda manuals, try: http://www.helminc.com -George From dc-cycles-request Tue Mar 21 22:15:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2M3FY919493 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dyn09.c5200-3.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.73.74]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id WAA09555 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:15:27 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000321221522.009fe740@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:15:22 -0500 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: AMA Superbikes at Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B623@QSI_TYSONS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2M3Fx919494 At 12:47 PM 3/21/00 -0500, you wrote: >Is anyone planning to attend the Road Atlanta races June 2-4? I am heading >down Thursday night to visit a friend and will attend all three days. Would >love to meet up with some listers. > >Mark I am. Here's my wish list for the summer. I'm hoping to make all of them. April 1 Vintage MX - Budds Creek 7-9 WERA Regional - Summit Point 15-16 SCCA National - Summit Point 22-23 CCS - Summit Point 30 Moto Guzzi Day - Angiers, NC (Sunday) May 13-14 CCS - Summit Point 19-21 Jefferson Cup - Summit Point June 2-4 AMA Double National - Atlanta 10-11 WERA Regional - Summit Point 21-24 Honda Hoot - Ashville, NC 24-25 WERA Double Regional - Carolina Motorsports Park July 7-9 WSB/AMA Superbike - Laguna Seca 11-14 BMW MOA National - Morganton, NC 14-16 AMA National - Mid-Ohio August 4-6 WERA National - Summit Point 17-20 MGNOC National - Buena Vista 18-20 WERA National - Danville 25-27 PACE Formula USA - Pocono 26-27 WERA Regional - Summit Point September 2-4 Double MARRS - Summit Point 16-17 CCS - Summit Point October 11-15 WERA GNF - Atlanta 19-22 CCS Finals - Daytona ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 03:14:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2M8E1925160 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-128-22.s22.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.128.22] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12XgH7-0003Ne-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:13:57 -0500 Message-ID: <38D880C4.B1484F19@bigfoot.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:13:57 -0500 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: New lister Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I just wanted to drop a line and introduce myself and my ride. My name is Jay and I'm the proud owner of a 2000 Honda Shadow 750 Custom Deluxe (55 miles past break in WOO HOO!!). I live in Manassas, and up until last June had much fun exploring the local back roads, then I got cut off by a stupid driver and had to ditch. Totaled my bike, busted my collar bone and broke my heart (cherry 85 Magna f*cked up)... dude in the car didn't even stop!! Oh well, my work schedule is pretty cool, I work 12 hr shifts, and as a result have many days off. If anyone every wants to ride, just drop me a line, if I'm off I'll say hell yeah!! I hope to be able to attend some of the group rides this year, and meet you all. Until then, take care. -j From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 08:47:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MDkx900796 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([207.226.21.67]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA25100 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:42:16 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:46:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Race Take-Offs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hey All- Anybody out there selling DOT race take-offs in a size to fit a 1996 CBR 600? (120/60 or 70/17 front, 160 or 170/60/17 rear)? My preference is for D207GP's or BT-56SS, but probably most anything is fine... I don't need them any time soon, so if you will have them once the racing season starts, drop me a line and I would love to work out a deal. Thanks! Ned Suesse 1996 CBR 600 F3 1994 XR 600R (for sale, sort of...) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 09:01:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2ME14901029 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA15557; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:01:06 -0500 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014903; Wed, 22 Mar 00 09:00:10 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FRT00D7JTLA03@XXXXXX>; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568AA.004CEA7D ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:00:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:00:12 -0500 Subject: Re: plain wrapper in Springfield To: Andrew Culpepper Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852568AA.004CE5B4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Did it make a traffic stop? Sounds like it could be secret service to me. What were the plates? --chris Hi, FWIW, I saw a black Chevy Suburban with dark tint windows heading south on 95 at Springfield Sunday morning. He had the blue lights flashing. I'd never seen one of those before. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 09:03:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2ME3r901039 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:04:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wheel Ding Update Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:03:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain $100 and about 4-5 days is the prediction. We'll see if that's how it works out. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 8:16 PM > To: Weaver, Chris_(MD) > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Wheel Ding Update > > So how much do they charge and how long will it take them to fix the > wheel? From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 10:27:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web502.mail.yahoo.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MFRs902451 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21724 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2000 15:27:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322152751.21723.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.242.149.149] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:27:51 PST Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:27:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: plain wrapper in Springfield To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, Andrew Culpepper Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Could be an embassy vehicle as well. I see those things zippin around NW D.C. and suburban MD violating any and all traffic laws....lights, siren on in order to get some diplomat home so he can take a dump. --- christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Did it make a traffic stop? Sounds like it could be > secret service to me. What > were the plates? > > --chris > > > Hi, > FWIW, I saw a black Chevy Suburban with dark > tint windows heading south on > 95 at Springfield Sunday morning. He had the blue > lights flashing. I'd > never seen one of those before. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 11:03:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f14.hotmail.com [209.185.131.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MG3X903068 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88626 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 16:03:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322160326.88625.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:03:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: biga@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: plain wrapper in Springfield Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:03:25 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Any idea what state the plates were? Could be Secret Service or other Federal law enforcement type unmarked car, state or local police, any random federal agency car carrying a semi-VIP (Federal Departmental Secretaries get cars with lights). Volunteer firefighters can also have lights, but this doesn't sound like that! My next door neighbor, whose a cop, once told me that police impersonators are also getting lights. Some have even pulled people over! Any moron can mount a set of lights on their car and pretend. Those who ride the HOV lanes on 95 can find these with just a little looking. I usually see them between 8 and 9am. Usually the "lights" are off. Usually they are just a "generic" unmarked cop car (a beefed up Ford Crown Vic) or a cheap government owned 4 door sedan (how about the always stylish Chevy Lumina?) Then you get the occasional all blacked out really official looking "G-man style X-Files" Suburban, Crown Vic or whatever -- like you got -- with the lights going. They make you start thinking about conspiracy theories.... The plates? I've seen DC, MD, VA, GSA and random DOD. Usually there are only one or two people in the car. All of 'em stand out from the croud. "Official" looking cars seem to use the HOV lanes at will. I always wonder who/what gives them the privlege of using the HOV lanes with only 1 person aboard. Makes me want to buy a brown, black or gray plain Crown Vic or better yet a blacked out Suburban for my next car! >From: Andrew Culpepper >To: >Subject: plain wrapper in Springfield >Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:52:23 -0500 > >Hi, > FWIW, I saw a black Chevy Suburban with dark tint windows heading south on >95 at Springfield Sunday morning. He had the blue lights flashing. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 11:12:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MGCM903225 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-87-152.s152.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.87.152]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Xnk2-0006PC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:12:18 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ic igniter ? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:14:14 GMT Message-ID: <38d90247.81513658@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2MGCO903226 The manual says if the battery is disconnected while the bike is running it could cause IC igniter damage. So i'm thinking jump starting and over charging the electrical system could do it too. The thing is, the manual doens't show the ic igniter or where it is located. Anyone know, on a zx6-r ? From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 11:27:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MGRC903511 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-87-152.s152.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.87.152]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12XnyQ-00011R-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:27:10 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Doug Allis" Cc: biga@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: plain wrapper in Springfield Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:29:05 GMT Message-ID: <38db1d18.88379509@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000322160326.88625.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000322160326.88625.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2MGRF903512 And ya know.. it makes me wonder.. if it's illegal to buy some lights mount them in teh car, but not hook them up so that they can't be turned on. You know less people will cut you off, give you the finger, or do some road rage craziness if they see just the strobe lights in the windows. I mean, if you're not pulling anyone over.. not talking to anyone, not using the lights at all, and not breaking any traffic laws.... I wouldn't mind having a crown vic hooked up like that.. the chances of being car jacked or havin your car stolen is a lot less too heheh. oh yeah and throw in a cb with huge antenna... oh and a scanner.. that would be cool too.. you could turn it up at traffic lights too and the motoring vehicles might be so polite hehe. I'd even go so far as to take the bulbs out of the strobe and put them in the trunk... maybe one day.... ah who needs to drive anyway!!! hehe. Daniel On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:03:25 PST, you wrote: |>croud. "Official" looking cars seem to use the HOV lanes at will. I |>always wonder who/what gives them the privlege of using the HOV lanes with |>only 1 person aboard. Makes me want to buy a brown, black or gray plain |>Crown Vic or better yet a blacked out Suburban for my next car! From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 11:33:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MGXo903595 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:33:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non-Moto: RE: plain wrapper in Springfield Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:33:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Of course, you'd have to be willing to sit behind people doing 0-5mph over the speed limit. Not a good tradeoff in my opinion, but then I'm a lawbreaker. Chris Weaver '98 VTR p.s. not that any of this has much to do with motorcycles > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 2:29 PM > To: Doug Allis > Cc: biga@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: plain wrapper in Springfield > > And ya know.. it makes me wonder.. if it's illegal to buy some lights > mount them in teh car, but not hook them up so that they can't be > turned on. You know less people will cut you off, give you the > finger, or do some road rage craziness if they see just the strobe > lights in the windows. > > I mean, if you're not pulling anyone over.. not talking to anyone, not > using the lights at all, and not breaking any traffic laws.... I > wouldn't mind having a crown vic hooked up like that.. the chances of > being car jacked or havin your car stolen is a lot less too heheh. > oh yeah and throw in a cb with huge antenna... oh and a scanner.. > that would be cool too.. you could turn it up at traffic lights too > and the motoring vehicles might be so polite hehe. > > I'd even go so far as to take the bulbs out of the strobe and put them > in the trunk... maybe one day.... ah who needs to drive anyway!!! > hehe. > > Daniel > > On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:03:25 PST, you wrote: > > |>croud. "Official" looking cars seem to use the HOV lanes at will. I > |>always wonder who/what gives them the privlege of using the HOV lanes > with > |>only 1 person aboard. Makes me want to buy a brown, black or gray plain > |>Crown Vic or better yet a blacked out Suburban for my next car! From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 11:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f8.hotmail.com [209.185.131.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MGa9903680 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54030 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 16:36:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322163601.54029.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:36:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Parts prices Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:36:01 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I stupidly left my gas cap on the passenger seat of my PC-800 last weekend somewhere in WVA. Needless to say it didn't stay there all the way home. So yesterday I call several Honda dealers in Washington DC area and get wildly different price quotes for replacing it. Can you believe one parts guy at $170? Said that the price is high because the bike is no longer in production, but Honda was "real good about maintaining parts supply, he could get anything for anything Honda's ever made.... blah blah blah". (Well of course... nobody would buy anything at those kind of prices) I didn't buy guy's BS. I asked him if he double checked the part # against the actual picture of the part. He mumbled something like "Duh no...." and after another 10 minutes on hold his price goes down to about $70. WHAT A F**K'n BARGAIN HUH?!!!! I hung up. Dealer 2 asks for the year, puts me on hold for 15 minutes & comes back telling me my gas cap will cost $80. I hang up again. Third dealer: asks if the PC was sold in California. I bought it used so he asks for the VIN number. Smart parts guy. He's the cheapest -- $33. Promised delivery within a week. (DC listers may be surprised to hear that the dealer is Colemans in Falls Church VA.) I have the 49 state model, the California model is the $70-80 gas cap. Glad I don't live in California, AND happy I didn't buy a used California model Pacific Coast-800. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 11:47:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f168.hotmail.com [209.185.131.231]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MGl7903836 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 55797 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 16:47:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322164700.55796.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:00 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-Moto: RE: plain wrapper in Springfield Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:00 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >p.s. not that any of this has much to do with motorcycles > Only in the MOST vague way. I get to see these guys because I get to ride HOV more often. Hey...hey better yet can I get a bike that looks like a cop bike? Say a blue and gray Harley like the VA staties got? That might be kinda fun (until I got caught). ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 11:54:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MGss903915 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:54:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:54:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200003221154.AA33947792@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , , "Doug Allis" Subject: Re: Parts prices X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" > Smart parts guy. He's the cheapest -- $33. (DC listers may be > surprised to hear that the dealer is Colemans in Falls Church VA.) He must be new. Everybody, Quick! Get your shopping done with him now before he gets hired by a REAL dealer! :) Horkster (not a big Coleman's fan, if you couldn't tell...) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 11:57:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MGvb903992 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:57:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:57:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200003221157.AA160759936@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , "Doug Allis" Subject: Re: Non-Moto: RE: plain wrapper in Springfield X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:00 PST >Hey...hey better yet can I get a bike that looks like a cop bike? >Say a blue and gray Harley like the VA staties got? You'd have to get the two-tone shorty helmet and tall leather boots for the complete effect. And ride around in shirt sleeves. Oh yeah, you'd also have to have a partner on a similar bike riding RIGHT BESIDE YOU IN YOUR LANE! (Why do they do that???) It would be fun just to do it and scare the bejeezus out of half the cagers out there.... :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 12:07:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from indus.house.gov (indus.house.gov [143.231.86.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MH7s904162 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hrmims04.house.gov (hrmims04.house.gov [143.231.32.160]) by indus.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23635 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by hrmims04.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:07:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Non-Moto: RE: plain wrapper in Springfield Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:07:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) you'd also need substitute bikes with dirt bike suspension and nobby tires for those gnarly jumps. Like we wouldn't notice... > ---------- > From: Horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] > Reply To: horkster@XXXXXX > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 11:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Doug Allis > Subject: Re: Non-Moto: RE: plain wrapper in Springfield > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Doug Allis" > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:00 PST > > > >Hey...hey better yet can I get a bike that looks like a cop bike? > >Say a blue and gray Harley like the VA staties got? > > You'd have to get the two-tone shorty helmet and tall leather > boots for the complete effect. And ride around in shirt sleeves. > Oh yeah, you'd also have to have a partner on a similar bike > riding RIGHT BESIDE YOU IN YOUR LANE! (Why do they do that???) > > It would be fun just to do it and scare the bejeezus out of half > the cagers out there.... :) > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 12:11:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f256.hotmail.com [209.185.130.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MHBH904198 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79459 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 17:11:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322171103.79458.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:11:03 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parts prices Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:11:03 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >If you had the California version, you wouldn't have lost the gas cap - >mine (an >'89) doesn't come out of the fuel access area - it is attached to the vapor >recover system. To fuel, I twist the cap and push it out of the way. I wonder if thats because the thing costs so much or if there's some rule in California that requires it to be attached (which may be WHY it costs so much!) Oh I forgot to mention that, according to the parts guy I ordered my $35 cap from, the $70 California model wouldn't have FIT my bike! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 12:32:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MHWq904601 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 20:21:44 UT Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:29 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Non-Moto: China threatens Nuclear Weapon attack? Message-ID: <20000322123158983-622ebba@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is being discussed on one of the LS1.com forums. Evidently, China is planning on invading Taiwan and says that they will use nuclear weapons against the shores of the U.S. if the U.S. tries to intervene. Anyone know what's going on here? This is the first that I've heard of this but never the less it has a really bad "The Day After" (for us folks born before the mid '70s) feeling to it. Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 12:57:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MHux904931 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18084 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2000 17:56:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322175655.18083.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:56:55 PST Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:56:55 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: plain wrapper in Springfield To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, Doug Allis Cc: biga@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I suspect that even a bad impersonation of a police officer is illegal. Leon. --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > And ya know.. it makes me wonder.. if it's illegal > to buy some lights > mount them in teh car, but not hook them up so that > they can't be > turned on. You know less people will cut you off, > give you the > finger, or do some road rage craziness if they see > just the strobe > lights in the windows. > > I mean, if you're not pulling anyone over.. not > talking to anyone, not > using the lights at all, and not breaking any > traffic laws.... I > wouldn't mind having a crown vic hooked up like > that.. the chances of > being car jacked or havin your car stolen is a lot > less too heheh. > oh yeah and throw in a cb with huge antenna... oh > and a scanner.. > that would be cool too.. you could turn it up at > traffic lights too > and the motoring vehicles might be so polite hehe. > > I'd even go so far as to take the bulbs out of the > strobe and put them > in the trunk... maybe one day.... ah who needs to > drive anyway!!! > hehe. > > Daniel > > On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:03:25 PST, you wrote: > > |>croud. "Official" looking cars seem to use the > HOV lanes at will. I > |>always wonder who/what gives them the privlege of > using the HOV lanes with > |>only 1 person aboard. Makes me want to buy a > brown, black or gray plain > |>Crown Vic or better yet a blacked out Suburban for > my next car! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 13:24:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MIOw905399 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:24:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:24:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200003221324.AA38732728@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , , CC: , Subject: Re: plain wrapper in Springfield X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:56:55 -0800 (PST) >I suspect that even a bad impersonation of a police >officer is illegal. >Leon. Damn, does that mean I've got to get rid of all these donuts? :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 13:50:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MIoX905898 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-178.patriot.net [209.249.180.178]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA31353; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:50:26 -0500 Message-ID: <38D91535.4EFCE0B7@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:47:17 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-Moto: RE: plain wrapper in Springfield References: <20000322164700.55796.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My cuz, a Harley collector and avid rider, bought a used cop bike. The dealer told him he couldn't ride it out with the ble/red light combo and offered to replace the lens with clear for an outragious price. Cuz took his socks off and cable tied them over the cop lights. See ya! Zzzooommmm.... A couple years later I saw the bike - same socks.on the lights, looking a bit shabby. Bill Doug Allis wrote: > >p.s. not that any of this has much to do with motorcycles > > > > Only in the MOST vague way. I get to see these guys because I get to ride > HOV more often. > > Hey...hey better yet can I get a bike that looks like a cop bike? Say a > blue and gray Harley like the VA staties got? That might be kinda fun (until > I got caught). > ;-) > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 13:54:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MIsO905938 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-178.patriot.net [209.249.180.178]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA31907; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:20 -0500 Message-ID: <38D91620.88177D79@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:51:12 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Doug Allis Subject: Re: Non-Moto: RE: plain wrapper in Springfield References: <200003221157.AA160759936@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because they can ride alongside each other. *We* would get a ticket for illegal lane sharing. BTW - the original reason for the Harley rocker shift was so that the cops wouldn't scuff those shiny boots by having to toe-lift the shifter. Bill luvs the rocker shifter Horkster wrote: > You'd have to get the two-tone shorty helmet and tall leather > boots for the complete effect. And ride around in shirt sleeves. > Oh yeah, you'd also have to have a partner on a similar bike > riding RIGHT BESIDE YOU IN YOUR LANE! (Why do they do that???) > > It would be fun just to do it and scare the bejeezus out of half > the cagers out there.... :) > > Horkster > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 15:01:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MK1v907235 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:02:28 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B641@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Cap 1000 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:58:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone on the list involved with the CAP 1000 or who has tried to register, please contact me. I have heard nothing from them despite numerous emails. Thanks, Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 15:23:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MKNS907572 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.88.1bbe903 (3969); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:22:51 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <88.1bbe903.260a859a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:22:50 EST Subject: Re: Parts prices To: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 3/22/00 11:37:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: > (DC listers may be surprised to hear that > the dealer is Colemans in Falls Church VA.) Not suprised really... it's the sales and service part that sucks. Their accessory dept is huge, and is often priced very well - I just don't support the shop in general due to their other business practices. > I have the 49 state model, the > California model is the $70-80 gas cap. I take it the California model has the emmisions control equipment stashed in the gas cap?? :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 15:23:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MKNq907582 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 23:12:44 UT Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:20 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Non-Moto: China threatens Nuclear Weapon attack? Message-ID: <20000322152300368-6bf7f44@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Update: This is what I found on the internet... China Reveals Nuclear War Plans Against U.S. UPI Monday, March 20, 2000 WASHINGTON -- China's People's Liberation Army has outlined plans, including a nuclear conflict with the United States, to "liberate" Taiwan, Hong Kong's South China Morning Post newspaper reported Monday. The PLA issued a 16-page publication, the Howangjio Weekly, that was devoted to Taiwan, that was sold on street corners. In contrast, most Chinese newspapers had little to say about Taiwan's pro-independence vote. The publication included plans to send 200,000 fishing vessels with a two-million-strong invading force to take over Taiwan. It also included photographs of what it said were the most advanced secret weapons in the world. These included laser weapons to disable the U.S.-owned F-17's guidance systems, the newspaper said. The PLA has reportedly been working on a new generation of nuclear weapons, the publication said, and it outlined steps by which China would threaten the United States with nuclear war. China would then sway U.S. public opinion by making economic concessions, and it would increase arms purchases from Russia, the Post reported. It would then stage a limited attack on Taiwan and if that failed, China would mobilize its people into exercises that would show that it is preparing to survive a nuclear war, the newspaper said. "The United States will not sacrifice 200 million Americans for 20 million Taiwanese and eventually they are going to back down," the publication said. -- Copyright 2000 by United Press International. All rights reserved. -- Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 15:37:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MKba907898 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:38:12 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33B645@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Tom Zell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Non-Moto: China threatens Nuclear Weapon attack? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:35:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Much ado about not too much I think. China has a nuclear capability. Of course they have contingency plans for using them against potential threats, us included. We surely have 1000s of missles pointed at China, right? The Chinese view Taiwan as part of China, period. For them, its not if, but when on reunification. I am happy the people of Taiwan had free elections, but they are no angels either. For example, Taiwan has never renouced its claim over Tibet, which Communist China has illegally occupied and brutally suppressed. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [SMTP:TZell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 3:20 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re:Non-Moto: China threatens Nuclear Weapon attack? > > > Update: > > This is what I found on the internet... > > China Reveals Nuclear War Plans Against U.S. > > UPI > Monday, March 20, 2000 > > WASHINGTON -- China's People's Liberation Army has outlined plans, > including a > nuclear conflict with the United States, to "liberate" Taiwan, Hong Kong's > South > China Morning Post newspaper reported Monday. > > The PLA issued a 16-page publication, the Howangjio Weekly, that was > devoted to > Taiwan, that was sold on street corners. In contrast, most Chinese > newspapers > had little to say about Taiwan's pro-independence vote. > The publication included plans to send 200,000 fishing vessels with a > two-million-strong invading force to take over Taiwan. It also included > photographs of what it said were the most advanced secret weapons in the > world. > These included laser weapons to disable the U.S.-owned F-17's guidance > systems, > the newspaper said. > > The PLA has reportedly been working on a new generation of nuclear > weapons, the > publication said, and it outlined steps by which China would threaten the > United > States with nuclear war. China would then sway U.S. public opinion by > making > economic concessions, and it would increase arms purchases from Russia, > the Post > reported. > > It would then stage a limited attack on Taiwan and if that failed, China > would > mobilize its people into exercises that would show that it is preparing to > survive a nuclear war, the newspaper said. > > "The United States will not sacrifice 200 million Americans for 20 million > Taiwanese and eventually they are going to back down," the publication > said. > > -- Copyright 2000 by United Press International. All rights reserved. -- > > Tom > '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 15:57:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MKvl908282 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19306; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <1V5VJMB1>; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:00:04 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D1327@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Tom Zell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Non-Moto: China threatens Nuclear Weapon attack? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:00:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >China Reveals Nuclear War Plans Against U.S. >The PLA has reportedly been working on a new generation of nuclear weapons, the >publication said, and it outlined steps by which China would threaten the United >States with nuclear war. China would then sway U.S. public opinion by making Sways my opinion, but the pin heads who thought this one up forgot that we have a southern president--birds affirmed, birds away. What a waste! Like some small island is a threat to the mainland's security. Do the States tremble with the fear that Cuba's going to invade? "Come on now, grow up!" would be a great press release for whoever came up with this brainiac plan in Bejing. Far be it from me to piss in the wind, Mike '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 16:33:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MLXp908934 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-249-94.s602.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.249.94] helo=l4rite) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12XslA-0004jw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:33:48 -0500 Message-ID: <03d201bf9446$c527ba80$9280a4d8@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: References: <20000322171103.79458.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Parts prices Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:37:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ya gotta love Kalifornia......my Katana is a Kali model....which means it has 7 pounds of air cleaner crap thrown on it.....the gas cap is an integral part of this system as it helps with the vacuum and mini charcoal scrubber.....also it has 6 hoses coming out of the gas tank itself, real confusing when you take the tank off and look at all the extra pieces down there......and ofcourse the little fan on the side that runs when you shut the bike off, so everyone can ask me what it is and tell me that my bike is still turned on...............I like it, no really.......enjoy Les From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 16:43:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MLhS909128 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.df.29e523d (4423) for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:43:15 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:43:15 EST Subject: Cop Bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Noted that Loudoun Motorsports has beaut on the showroom floor. I didn't even ask about the price. Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 16:50:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MLoj909296 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 9.bd.1d9b239 (3969); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:50:00 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:50:00 EST Subject: Re: Non-Moto: China threatens Nuclear Weapon attack? To: mjay@XXXXXX, TZell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 3/22/00 4:00:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjay@XXXXXX writes: > Do the States tremble with the fear that Cuba's going to invade? Um, well, kinda, yeah... The Cuban Missile Crisis comes to mind... :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 16:54:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MLsX909316 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:54:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000322215621.4650.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.10] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:56:21 PST Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parts prices To: Doug Allis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So you still probably could have gotten them for about half that price from some of the mail order places. I've always gotten the cheapest Honda part prices from: Honda of Riverhead 242-25 Braddock Avenue Bellerose, NY (800) 669-2275 Glenn --- Doug Allis wrote: > I stupidly left my gas cap on the passenger seat of > my PC-800 last weekend > somewhere in WVA. Needless to say it didn't stay > there all the way home. > > So yesterday I call several Honda dealers in > Washington DC area and get > wildly different price quotes for replacing it. Can > you believe one parts > guy at $170? Said that the price is high because the > bike is no longer in > production, but Honda was "real good about > maintaining parts supply, he > could get anything for anything Honda's ever > made.... blah blah blah". (Well > of course... nobody would buy anything at those kind > of prices) I didn't > buy guy's BS. I asked him if he double checked the > part # against the > actual picture of the part. He mumbled something > like "Duh no...." and after > another 10 minutes on hold his price goes down to > about $70. WHAT A F**K'n > BARGAIN HUH?!!!! I hung up. > > Dealer 2 asks for the year, puts me on hold for 15 > minutes & comes back > telling me my gas cap will cost $80. I hang up > again. > > Third dealer: asks if the PC was sold in California. > I bought it used so he > asks for the VIN number. Smart parts guy. He's the > cheapest -- $33. > Promised delivery within a week. (DC listers may be > surprised to hear that > the dealer is Colemans in Falls Church VA.) I have > the 49 state model, the > California model is the $70-80 gas cap. Glad I don't > live in California, AND > happy I didn't buy a used California model Pacific > Coast-800. > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 17:05:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f90.hotmail.com [209.185.131.153]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MM5v909605 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23365 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 22:05:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322220549.23364.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:05:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Non Moto Gas Price Article Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:05:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed If this is true why does it seem like prices are so high? >From http://slate.msn.com/Code/explainer/explainer.asp?Show=3/21/00&idMessage=4904, >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >EXPLAINER >Actually, Gas Prices Aren't That High >Ted Rose >Posted Tuesday, March 21, 2000, at 12:40 p.m. PT > > >The steady rise in gasoline prices continues to dominate the >news. How high are gas prices in historic terms? > >In the context of recent history--say, the past decade--they >are quite high. But if one takes a longer view, they are >fairly low. > >The Energy Department estimates that this year, the average >cost in the U.S. for a gallon of unleaded gasoline will be >$1.46. That is 25 percent higher than last year's average of >$1.17 a gallon (after adjusting for inflation). In real >terms, it will be the highest gas price that Americans have >paid in a decade. > >But in the preceding seven decades, there are only four years >in which the price of a gallon of regular gasoline was as low >as it is today. Those years came during the late 1980s, after >the oil crisis of the1970s had receded and before the Persian >Gulf War drove prices back up. In 1981--the high-water mark >for gasoline prices during the oil crisis--a gallon cost >$2.49 (again, adjusted for inflation to today's dollars), >which is 71 percent higher than today. > >We have almost reached the average price during the Gulf War, >which was $1.48 in today's dollars. Still, we have little >reason to feel sorry for ourselves. The Energy Department >estimates that next year the price will drop to $1.32 in >today's dollars (the inflation-sensitive pumps will call it >$1.34). If that happens, 2001 will be one of the nine >cheapest years for regular gasoline on record. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 17:06:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MM63909608 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-249-94.s602.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.249.94] helo=l4rite) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12XtGK-00029o-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: <041e01bf944b$44439100$9280a4d8@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: References: Subject: Re: Non-Moto: China threatens Nuclear Weapon attack? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:09:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Don't worry fellas...i've been working this issue for several years now...no iminent threat of war....the PRC threatens war every few years when the vote in Taiwan roles around.......its just a little pressure game......the report that the AP put out was a filtered version of war plans that the PLA had lying around and an Army newspaper printed for the troops..(this was the last issue this paper printed, it has since been outlawed by the PRC, no 1st Amendment there.....). its a long story and many details. Basically China sees Taiwan as a rouge province and wishes to bring them back into the fold, but of course China claims to own everything in the South China Sea and all points around....they fight everyday with India over a disputed area on the other side of Tibet, much as India and Pakistan do over the Kashmir region....a lot of posturing and windbagging and a few shots in anger....all countries involved have far more to loss than gain by any conflict. All this said however the U.S. is bound to protect Taiwan from armed invasion by Chinese forces by the Taiwan Relations Act and our formal acknowledgement of Taiwan as a separate nation when Cheng Kai Shek fled there in 1949...however every President since then has had a different opinion on what protecting meant and there is no exception with the current administration.....don't worry if China does use nukes on the U.S. it will only hit Kalifornia (hopefully on Oscar night) and points around there....so we are fine for a few more years.... enjoy Les 96Kat750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 17:11:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MMBs909660 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:11:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000322221302.2894.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.14] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:13:02 PST Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: plain wrapper in Springfield To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, Doug Allis Cc: biga@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What you are describing is a "wanna-be" and I hate those people. Glenn --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > And ya know.. it makes me wonder.. if it's illegal > to buy some lights > mount them in teh car, but not hook them up so that > they can't be > turned on. You know less people will cut you off, > give you the > finger, or do some road rage craziness if they see > just the strobe > lights in the windows. > > I mean, if you're not pulling anyone over.. not > talking to anyone, not > using the lights at all, and not breaking any > traffic laws.... I > wouldn't mind having a crown vic hooked up like > that.. the chances of > being car jacked or havin your car stolen is a lot > less too heheh. > oh yeah and throw in a cb with huge antenna... oh > and a scanner.. > that would be cool too.. you could turn it up at > traffic lights too > and the motoring vehicles might be so polite hehe. > > I'd even go so far as to take the bulbs out of the > strobe and put them > in the trunk... maybe one day.... ah who needs to > drive anyway!!! > hehe. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 17:21:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MMLr909904 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA19635 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:21:49 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:23:02 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF9423.46EBFBE0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Non-Moto: China threatens Nuclear Weapon attack? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:23:01 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, as a former Kalifornian, I can only say that there is a lot of value to the state, remember both Honda and Kawasaki have large parts warehouses there, we don't want to put those in jeopardy :) Cedric snip .....don't worry if China does use nukes on the U.S. it will only hit Kalifornia (hopefully on Oscar night) and points around there....so we are fine for a few more years.... enjoy Les 96Kat750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 17:37:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com ([63.67.81.128]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2MMbN910193 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA12944 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:41:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200003222241.RAA12944@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wanna play hookey next week? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:41:02 -0500 From: Mark I'll be taking some time off between jobs next week, but I'll be around the DC area. If anyone is interested in a ride, let me know. Mark ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 18:47:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f49.hotmail.com [216.32.181.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MNl5911460 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56306 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 23:46:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322234658.56305.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.148.183.152 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:46:58 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.148.183.152] From: "Philips Wong" To: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: Parts prices Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:46:58 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sorry to bring up an opinion that opposites, >Glad I don't live in California, AND happy I didn't buy a used >California >model Pacific Coast-800. If you ride a CA spec. PC, your cap won't get lost as it was connected with a host due to the emmission control requirement. ie you can turn the cap off and open it but couldn't take it out of the filling area. - Philips Wong Constable, Hong Kong Auxiliary Police (riding officer of course) Colonial Special Constabulary Medal - 1997 GWRRA # 101177, Wing & PC rider 1984 Aspencade, 1995 SE Candy Red, 1990 PC800 Candy Red 1994 CBX750 Police Edition, 1977 CB550 Vice chairman, Safe Rider (HK) Association The lizard guy - breeder and proud owner of 23 Chinese Water Dragons ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 21:40:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2N2e6914406 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from yahoo.com (user-33qt1mp.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.134.217]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17066; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:39:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38D983FD.8027698@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:39:57 -0600 From: Tony Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: Parts prices References: <20000322163601.54029.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, I always place my gas cap over the ignition key when I remove it to fuel up. That way, even I cannot forget to put it back! Tony Doug Allis wrote: > > I stupidly left my gas cap on the passenger seat of my PC-800 last weekend > somewhere in WVA. Needless to say it didn't stay there all the way home. > > So yesterday I call several Honda dealers in Washington DC area and get > wildly different price quotes for replacing it. Can you believe one parts > guy at $170? Said that the price is high because the bike is no longer in > production, but Honda was "real good about maintaining parts supply, he > could get anything for anything Honda's ever made.... blah blah blah". (Well > of course... nobody would buy anything at those kind of prices) I didn't > buy guy's BS. I asked him if he double checked the part # against the > actual picture of the part. He mumbled something like "Duh no...." and after > another 10 minutes on hold his price goes down to about $70. WHAT A F**K'n > BARGAIN HUH?!!!! I hung up. > > Dealer 2 asks for the year, puts me on hold for 15 minutes & comes back > telling me my gas cap will cost $80. I hang up again. > > Third dealer: asks if the PC was sold in California. I bought it used so he > asks for the VIN number. Smart parts guy. He's the cheapest -- $33. > Promised delivery within a week. (DC listers may be surprised to hear that > the dealer is Colemans in Falls Church VA.) I have the 49 state model, the > California model is the $70-80 gas cap. Glad I don't live in California, AND > happy I didn't buy a used California model Pacific Coast-800. > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@XXXXXX. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@XXXXXX. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 21:46:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2N2kX914559 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Xxdm-0002Yr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:46:30 +0000 Received: from [168.143.219.144] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12XxdX-00017R-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:46:20 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:45:38 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: plain wrapper in Springfield Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: From: Tom Gimer > Could be an embassy vehicle as well. I see those > things zippin around NW D.C. and suburban MD violating > any and all traffic laws....lights, siren on in order > to get some diplomat home so he can take a dump. Not so Tom. The only way foreign diplomats get to enjoy the "blue light special" is if either Secret Service or State Department security is driving them when either the head of state or head of government from their country is here on either a "state" or a "working" visit. Don't forget, all Administration Cabinet members receive this perk as well, as do Gore and Clinton, of course. Foreign diplomats only get those fancy State Department-issued plates. That's it. BTW, I do believe that such plates were once issued for a motorcycle belonging to a diplomat but I never saw these myself. JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 22:03:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2N33L914793 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Xxu2-0003MO-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:03:18 +0000 Received: from [168.143.219.144] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Xxu1-0000lG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:03:17 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:02:51 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Parts prices (Honda) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: From: Glenn Dysart > So you still probably could have gotten them for about > half that price from some of the mail order places. > I've always gotten the cheapest Honda part prices > from: > Honda of Riverhead > 242-25 Braddock Avenue > Bellerose, NY > (800) 669-2275 I thought H of R was good too Glenn. Until I found Honda of Albany (Georgia). Their prices were w-a-y below Riverhead. Trust me, I spent a lot of money on parts (don't go there ;) in January. Here's the URL: http://www.hondafunmachines.com/ You'll save 20%, easy. JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 22:48:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2N3mr915514 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-87-152.s152.tnt6.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.87.152]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Xyc8-0003UQ-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:48:53 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dysart@XXXXXX Cc: Doug Allis , biga@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: plain wrapper in Springfield Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:50:50 GMT Message-ID: <38d9be42.129643958@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000322221302.2894.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000322221302.2894.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2N3nw915515 On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:13:02 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>What you are describing is a "wanna-be" and I hate |>those people. |> |>Glenn No really.. the last thing I want to be is a cop.. BELIEVE ME... I could go on with all kinds of treacherous insults about them...but.. I have to admit there are a few good apples in the bunch : ) I was just thinking of getting the perks just by looking like one.. or letting people assume you are one.. just like i hear putting a USMC sticker in your back window gets tailgaters off your car, or so I hear. Daniel |>--- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |>> And ya know.. it makes me wonder.. if it's illegal |>> to buy some lights |>> mount them in teh car, but not hook them up so that |>> they can't be |>> turned on. You know less people will cut you off, |>> give you the |>> finger, or do some road rage craziness if they see |>> just the strobe |>> lights in the windows. |>> |>> I mean, if you're not pulling anyone over.. not |>> talking to anyone, not |>> using the lights at all, and not breaking any |>> traffic laws.... I |>> wouldn't mind having a crown vic hooked up like |>> that.. the chances of |>> being car jacked or havin your car stolen is a lot |>> less too heheh. |>> oh yeah and throw in a cb with huge antenna... oh |>> and a scanner.. |>> that would be cool too.. you could turn it up at |>> traffic lights too |>> and the motoring vehicles might be so polite hehe. |>> |>> I'd even go so far as to take the bulbs out of the |>> strobe and put them |>> in the trunk... maybe one day.... ah who needs to |>> drive anyway!!! |>> hehe. |>> |>> |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. |>http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 22 23:31:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2N4Vr916208 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-90.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.90]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA07724 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:30:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01bf9499$9532ba20$5aa4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Inexpensive 911 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:29:53 -0800 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF9456.86460FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF9456.86460FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From a recent New York Times -- "Old Cell Phones Can Still Call 911 -- . . . Any old, decommissoned cell phone can be used to make 911 calls, = as long as the battery is good. =20 The [FCC] requires all cell phone service providers, like Sprint, = AT&T and Bell Atlantic, to accept 911 calls from any wireless phone -- = even one that no longer has a phone number or service contract. =20 [comments about coverage and analog vs. digital] Used wireless phones can be purchased from Web auction sites for = less than $10, and {drawbacks] they are certainly better than nothing." Thoughts -- with checkout, this could be a fine, inexpensive emergency = capability in travelled areas. (The article refers to marketing of = SECUREALERT Magnovox Mobile911 cell phones --- and its redundancy.) Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF9456.86460FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From a recent New York Times --
 
    "Old Cell Phones Can Still Call = 911=20 --
 
. . .  Any old, decommissoned cell phone = can be used=20 to make 911 calls, as long as the battery is good. 
 
    The [FCC] requires all cell phone = service=20 providers, like Sprint, AT&T and Bell Atlantic, to accept 911 calls = from any=20 wireless phone -- even one that no longer has a phone number or service=20 contract. 
 
[comments about coverage and analog vs. = digital]
 
    Used wireless phones can be = purchased from=20 Web auction sites for less than $10, and {drawbacks] they are certainly = better=20 than nothing."
 
 Thoughts -- with checkout, this could be a = fine,=20 inexpensive emergency capability in travelled areas.  (The article = refers=20 to marketing of SECUREALERT Magnovox Mobile911 cell phones --- and its=20 redundancy.)
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750
Join the AMA.  Help protect my = riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF9456.86460FA0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 01:26:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail3.mia.bellsouth.net (mail3.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.16.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2N6QI918082 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pavilion (host-216-79-200-70.pbi.bellsouth.net [216.79.200.70]) by mail3.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id BAA25383; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:21:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003230621.BAA25383@mail3.mia.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: bjcj/mail.mia.bellsouth.net@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:27:56 -0500 To: "Doug Allis" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX From: Cheryl & Bill Subject: Re: PC800: Parts prices In-Reply-To: <20000322163601.54029.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:36 AM 3/22/00 -0800, Doug Allis wrote: >I stupidly left my gas cap on the passenger seat of my PC-800 last weekend >somewhere in WVA. Needless to say it didn't stay there all the way home. > Can you believe one parts >guy at $170? Is it April fools day already? I haven"t seen the California style, but a friend of mine says that mine looks just like the one on his Honda Civic. You might try a junk yard first. Like others, I learned a long time ago to leave the cap inside the fuel door, so it doesn't get left behind. Bill Johnson 89PC800 ------------------------------ | Personalized photo clocks! | | www.touchtheheart.com | | clynnj@XXXXXX | ------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 02:14:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2N7EQ919634 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from KGray96057@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.ba.31be740 (4416); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:14:12 -0500 (EST) From: KGray96057@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:14:11 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Parts prices To: pca420@XXXXXX, dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Actually, I don't think it would be that hard to create a dealie that connects the cap to the fuel nozzle thingie.... Kendall 95 PC From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 07:34:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2NCYX924897 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24033; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <1V5VJN1J>; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D1328@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Parts prices (Honda) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:36:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, They have Yamaha and Kawasaki parts too! The URLs are here, the URLs are here, I'm somebody, things are going to happen to me now! >Their prices were w-a-y below Riverhead. Trust me, I spent a lot of >money on parts (don't go there ;) in January. Here's the URL: > http://www.hondafunmachines.com/ Thanks for the parts tip, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 08:01:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2ND1W925360 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA24651; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:59:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008f01bf94bf$442764c0$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "SV650 List" , , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: SPAM- '99 VFR for sale Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:59:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am selling my '99 VFR. It has 13,000 miles, is in excellent shape. Never down with lots of extras including Micron high right aluminum oval slip-on, Givi Traffic top case and rack, "taillocker", full LP tank cover, Pro-Tour grips, custom hubcaps (2 - 1 billet aluminum, 1 powdercoated black), new (800 miles) BT 56 SS tires, 1- 55/65 blue tint front light for visibility, complete service records and receipts, extended warrenty (4 more years), meticulously maintained. Asking $7900.00. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV (race bike) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 11:11:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f169.hotmail.com [209.185.131.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2NGBu929376 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28710 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 2000 16:11:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000323161148.28709.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:11:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wanna play hookey next week? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:11:48 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Of course. What day? Meet where? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 13:54:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2NIsM902236 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11735 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:54:17 -0500 Message-ID: <38DA679A.7BCE404@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:51:06 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: No oil pressure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sooo, I tested the oil P sender lead - A-okay, then I pulled the sender unit and cranked th bike up, thinking I got clean jeans on - wonder how high the oil is gonna squirt outta the hole. ??? NO OIL FLYING OUT!!!. &*^%$(& Looks like I'll be knocking apart the oil system and pump. Oh joy. Bill cantakerous `93 FLHS From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 14:33:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2NJXv902926 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud793) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12YDMh-0001Im-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:33:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01bf94fe$7e9bd890$f95d800a@wsdellud793.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Sale... Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:32:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 A friend of mine up here at work has a basically brand spanking new Arai Quantum E (the paint scheme with the Shark). It's a large. It's in perfect condition. I think it's maybe been worn once or twice... Make an offer, if you want it. Also, she is looking for a good set of leathers for herself. What brands are recommended by the cumulative wisdom of the list, and are there any websites devoted to this kind of thing? She's tiny... like a size 1or 2 I think. Kirt From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 14:58:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2NJw7903436 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:58:26 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031113@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Kirt S.'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sale... Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:55:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain For women's leathers, try www.motagear.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt S. [SMTP:ksenser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 2:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Sale... > > A friend of mine up here at work has a basically brand spanking new Arai > Quantum E (the paint scheme with the Shark). It's a large. It's in > perfect > condition. I think it's maybe been worn once or twice... Make an offer, > if > you want it. > > Also, she is looking for a good set of leathers for herself. What brands > are recommended by the cumulative wisdom of the list, and are there any > websites devoted to this kind of thing? She's tiny... like a size 1or 2 > I > think. > > Kirt > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 15:04:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2NK4E903568 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:04:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:03:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200003231503.AA653460426@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , "Kirt S." Subject: Re: Sale... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kirt S." Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:32:15 -0500 >A friend of mine up here at work has a basically brand spanking new >Arai Quantum E (the paint scheme with the Shark). It's a large. > > Also, she is looking for a good set of leathers for herself. > She's tiny... like a size 1or 2 I think. She wears a size 1 or 2 and a Large helmet? She must be pretty funny looking? :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 15:54:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2NKsK904543 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28665; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:54:12 -0500 Message-ID: <38DA83B5.8BFF8246@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:51:01 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Kirt S." Subject: Re: Sale... References: <200003231503.AA653460426@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horkster wrote: > She wears a size 1 or 2 and a Large helmet? She must be > pretty funny looking? :) > > Horkster > BIG hair maybe??? Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 16:00:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2NL05904732 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:00:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:00:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200003231600.AA528482652@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: Sale... X-Mailer: >> She wears a size 1 or 2 and a Large helmet? She must be >> pretty funny looking? :) >BIG hair maybe??? > With that much hair, I guess it explains why she doesn't need the helmet anymore. ;) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 20:17:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net [216.70.64.24]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2O1HH909457 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (ppp-224.tnt-1.wdc.smartworld.net [216.70.70.224]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA50081 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:16:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004f01bf952e$2aa2a680$e04646d8@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Saturday Ride? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:13:28 -0500 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Anyone interested in getting togrther for a ride this Saturday. The weather forecast looks great so far. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 23 21:38:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2O2c7910772 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.229.157.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.229.157]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA04339; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:37:55 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "L4rite" , Subject: RE: Non-Moto: China threatens Nuclear Weapon attack? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:30:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <041e01bf944b$44439100$9280a4d8@l4rite> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal A "rouge" province? Is that what they have to be before they're officially "red" like China, or does it just mean they blush real pretty? ha ha ha!!! good thing you've been working this issue for years to clear this up! -----Original Message----- From: L4rite [mailto:l4rite@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 5:09 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-Moto: China threatens Nuclear Weapon attack? Don't worry fellas...i've been working this issue for several years now...no iminent threat of war....the PRC threatens war every few years when the vote in Taiwan roles around.......its just a little pressure game......the report that the AP put out was a filtered version of war plans that the PLA had lying around and an Army newspaper printed for the troops..(this was the last issue this paper printed, it has since been outlawed by the PRC, no 1st Amendment there.....). its a long story and many details. Basically China sees Taiwan as a rouge province and wishes to bring them back into the fold, but of course China claims to own everything in the South China Sea and all points around....they fight everyday with India over a disputed area on the other side of Tibet, much as India and Pakistan do over the Kashmir region....a lot of posturing and windbagging and a few shots in anger....all countries involved have far more to loss than gain by any conflict. All this said however the U.S. is bound to protect Taiwan from armed invasion by Chinese forces by the Taiwan Relations Act and our formal acknowledgement of Taiwan as a separate nation when Cheng Kai Shek fled there in 1949...however every President since then has had a different opinion on what protecting meant and there is no exception with the current administration.....don't worry if China does use nukes on the U.S. it will only hit Kalifornia (hopefully on Oscar night) and points around there....so we are fine for a few more years.... enjoy Les 96Kat750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 24 06:58:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2OBwc920273 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-36.s36.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.36] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12YSjF-0004MY-00; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:58:13 -0500 Message-ID: <011501bf9587$f1f5bac0$246aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: test and tune day Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:56:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone know what time they get under way today? Thanks Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen-Valley Trailers (www.shen-valley.com), 888-743-6825 - Toll Free From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 24 07:51:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2OCpX921665 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24312; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:43:13 -0600 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id HAA88964; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:51:29 -0500 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568AC.0046A026 ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:51:24 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: bhuson@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568AC.004632D8.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:46:41 -0500 Subject: No oil pressure Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ouch!!!! And just when the weather is really getting nice. Bill,from what I've been reading, I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't the oil pump. I believe HD uses plastic gears????? Lots of "fixit" articles talk about going to an S&S pump to eliminate that problem. Let us know what the real problem turns out to be. At least you don't have to work on the bike in freezing weather........... Bill wrote: >>Sooo, I tested the oil P sender lead - A-okay, then I pulled the sender >>unit and cranked th bike up, thinking I got clean jeans on - wonder how >>high the oil is gonna squirt outta the hole. ??? NO OIL FLYING >>OUT!!!. &*^%$(& >>Looks like I'll be knocking apart the oil system and pump. Oh joy. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 24 09:03:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (mrs-2-fix.smartworld.net [216.70.64.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2OE3M922862 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from gt350pii (ppp-166.tnt-1.wdc.smartworld.net [216.70.70.166]) by mrs-2.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA92355 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:02:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001701bf9599$0ed15d00$a64646d8@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Saturday Ride Details Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:58:27 -0500 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 We will be meeting at Coleman Power Sports in Woodbridge at 9:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Kevin (CBR 900) will be leading the ride. The route will consist of back roads going westbound. The pace will be moderate to sometimes fast. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 24 09:11:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2OEBn922980 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-138-46.s46.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.138.46] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12YUoU-0004R3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:11:47 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Cops on Parade.... Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:10:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf959a$ac54bd00$2e8aa4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 --------original------------- You'd have to get the two-tone shorty helmet and tall leather boots for the complete effect. And ride around in shirt sleeves. Oh yeah, you'd also have to have a partner on a similar bike riding RIGHT BESIDE YOU IN YOUR LANE! (Why do they do that???) because they can! VA law says that motorcops are the only motorcycles that may ride in parade fashion. If you or I do it, and some walking limp-dick wants too press charges, it's reckless. I just saw a couple of Fairfax M-cops cruising down the Fairfax Parkway this afternoon. Lots of traffic and....yup, side by freakin side going around 55-60mph. Got a real nasty look from one of them who noted the very obvious speed dinconsistency between me and other traffic (hehehehe....buy buy parade boy). Here's a funny one. Gimer and me heading home today down I66 at mumble-mumble speeds. Get to just past Manasshole and there's a Fairfax Co Sherrif in a (Suburban?) parked in the second from left lane. We slow behind the van in front of us, but since we are in the passing lane, we gotta pass right? The van in front, me and Tom, and some Ovlov behind are all doing around 68 in a 55 to the cops 65. Just creeping on by. I was lol in my helmet. The cop has got to be thinking, "Look at these ding-a-lings. Just begging for a ticket." Too, funny. Todd It would be fun just to do it and scare the bejeezus out of half the cagers out there.... :) Horkster From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 24 09:11:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2OEBq922990 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-138-46.s46.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.138.46] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12YUoY-0004R3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:11:51 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Cap1k news, or lack of Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:10:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bf959a$af0c8a00$2e8aa4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Cap 1000 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:58:22 -0500 Anyone on the list involved with the CAP 1000 or who has tried to register, please contact me. I have heard nothing from them despite numerous emails. Thanks, Mark ------------------------------ That's Larry Fears. Don't worry, it will happen. It just seems to have to happen like this for this particular rally. Elsie(sp) Smith is actually the rally master, but I suspect Larry is, or will be, taking care of the administrative stuff. There is a poster here (LT) who could ask Elsie what's going on at the next BMWOG meeting, if she were so inclined. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 24 09:17:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2OEHJ923133 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:18:02 -0500 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE3303112A@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Todd Peer'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Cap1k news, or lack of Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:15:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks. I actually got tons of responses from the LD Rider list on this. Apparently Larry is a tax attorney and ever year its like this. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:toddbpeer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 9:10 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Cap1k news, or lack of > > From: Mark Kitchell > To: "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: Cap 1000 > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:58:22 -0500 > > Anyone on the list involved with the CAP 1000 or who has tried to > register, > please contact me. I have heard nothing from them despite numerous > emails. > > Thanks, > > Mark > ------------------------------ > > That's Larry Fears. Don't worry, it will happen. It just seems to have > to > happen like this for this particular rally. Elsie(sp) Smith is actually > the > rally master, but I suspect Larry is, or will be, taking care of the > administrative stuff. > > There is a poster here (LT) who could ask Elsie what's going on at the > next > BMWOG meeting, if she were so inclined. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 24 09:36:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2OEaK923465 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-42.s42.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.42]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12YVCA-0000kI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:36:15 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: any zx6r owners here? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:38:10 GMT Message-ID: <38dba7c8.41735681@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2OEaZ923466 If you own a zx6r contact me.. especially if you know of a zx6r parts bike for sale or parting out. thanks Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 24 11:25:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2OGPr925144 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:25:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Wheel Problem Resolved - Thanks Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:25:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks to everyone on the list who helped me figure out what to do about my bent front wheel rim. In the end, I contacted GRD Cycles www.grdcycles.com in southeastern Maryland. They do wheel straightening, and they did a great job. The cost was $100 and it was completed in three days. The gentleman who owns the place is smart, personable and seems quite honest. I feel comfortable recommending them. I can also highly recommend Pit Bull cycle stands. I used a rear stand and a front fork-mounted stand from them, and it was dead-easy for me to put the bike on and take it off of the stands by myself. The bike was also rock-solid on the stands while I worked on it and waited for my wheel to be fixed. Chris Weaver '98 VTR on both wheels again... Woohoo! p.s. The bike wheelied more easily than usual once I got it back on the road. I think it had cabin fever. :^) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 24 12:39:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2OHdf926348 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-42.s42.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.42]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12YY3e-0004B8-00; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:39:39 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Wheel Problem Resolved - Thanks Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:41:35 GMT Message-ID: <38dfd2bf.52736042@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e2OHdr926349 How much do the stands cost? I was thinking when my time comes i'd back banyard counrtry style rig hoist and strap my bike up to get the wheel off lol. For those of you who were around before these fancy stands what do you do to get your front wheel off ? Daniel On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:25:50 -0500, you wrote: |>Thanks to everyone on the list who helped me figure out what to do about my |>bent front wheel rim. |> |>In the end, I contacted GRD Cycles www.grdcycles.com in southeastern |>Maryland. They do wheel straightening, and they did a great job. The cost |>was $100 and it was completed in three days. The gentleman who owns the |>place is smart, personable and seems quite honest. I feel comfortable |>recommending them. |> |>I can also highly recommend Pit Bull cycle stands. I used a rear stand and a |>front fork-mounted stand from them, and it was dead-easy for me to put the |>bike on and take it off of the stands by myself. The bike was also |>rock-solid on the stands while I worked on it and waited for my wheel to be |>fixed. |> |>Chris Weaver |>'98 VTR on both wheels again... Woohoo! |> |>p.s. The bike wheelied more easily than usual once I got it back on the |>road. I think it had cabin fever. :^) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 24 12:40:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2OHeg926370 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-60-42.s42.tnt7.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.60.42]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12YY4e-0004JW-00; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:40:40 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: correctedurl was Re: W