From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 02:14:04 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: dreams Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:12:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I don't know what you people are eating right before you go to bed... but it's something you need to Stop. I can't recall EVER dreaming about being hit, laying a bike down, or high-siding. Never have I had a dream of running wide in corners, or being in any sort of tight situation.... Me thinks that you're to Paranoid about riding and your subconscious is alerting you to the thoughts of inadequacy... But then again, if you follow the books on dream reading, death just means that you're looking to change something. Being chased means you're concerned about a change to come.. etc... they don't necessarily always relate directly to what the dream portrayed..... anyway... back to being bored Brian McCoy - Hey, when's MMI actually get Challenging?!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 05:38:15 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:38:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Dirt riding and emergency rooms Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > And now on to the second part of the subject... I got a dirt bike! I'm > the proud owner of a '98 Yamaha RT180, and was wondering who on the > list dirt rides, and where do you go? Once I'm back to 100% I want to > get out and get muddy! There aren't a whole lot of dirt riders on dc-cycles, from what I can tell. There's a very small local dirt e-mail list at http://www.onelist.com/group/dcoffroad where there are links to local off road riding areas. You can only get the links if you join the list... I'd be happy to show you some stuff in MD. I actually did my first off road race this past sunday (hare scrambles at Budds Creek) where I stunk up the joint royally because I was so nervous/anxious... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 09:21:22 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:23:14 +0000 To: "Collin T. Fagan" , Mike T From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: On a much more somber note.... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Keep us posted, Collin, on anything you find out. Poor guy, hope he's ok. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 07:39 PM 2/29/00 -0800, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >I'm sorry I was so vague in my first post... I haven't been able to >talk to Ryan so I didn't want to talk about the details out of turn. >Mainly I haven't spoken to him yet because he just got out of surgery >about 5 minutes ago! None of the drones I have talked to yet knew any >specifics, so I don't know if they took so long working on his leg, or >if they found other injuries once there... >He's currently at Washington Hospital Center.. nor room assigned yet, >and no idea what his visitor status will be...I would highly recommend >calling the hospital first to see if he can get visitors before making >the trip in only to be turned away. > >Thanks for the interest though, I know if I were in his shoes I would >love to see the faces of support.. I just feel badly because I am only >in town till Sunday and will only have a few chances to check in on >him. >I think he will be pleasantly surprised to see he has a pretty good >family away from home in the DCC crowd.... > >CT > >--- Mike T wrote: > >> >> Besides the fact that we all want some details - do you know what >> hospital >> and room number? It wouldn't hurt for a few fellow listers to stop >> in and >> pay a visit. Like - tomorrow evening (hint-hint everyone) >> > >===== >Collin T. Fagan >DC-Cycles Racing >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >Proudly sponsored by: >Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) >Dixie Cycles >Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 09:29:37 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: (Non Moto) New Performance Item for Your Car Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:29:19 -0500 Check out the cheap horsepower gains! http://www.angelfire.com/nc2/mycoffeecan/ Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 09:56:09 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 06:56:08 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (Non Moto) New Performance Item for Your Car To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Excellent, I hope the guy from the Rice Boy Page (http://www.riceboypage.com/) has this link on his site. Glenn --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > Check out the cheap horsepower gains! > > http://www.angelfire.com/nc2/mycoffeecan/ > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 09:56:48 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: On a much more somber note.... Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:56:33 -0500 If anyone's interested in paying him a visit, I called Washington Hospital Center and found out that Ryan's in room 3E9. Visiting hours at the hospital are 1pm-8pm. Email me if you need the phone number for the room. We should get a group together to go see him. Any ideas about when would be a good time? Tomorrow night or this weekend would be the best for me... Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 9:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: On a much more somber note.... > > Our ride today was very outstanding until the last 5 miles. > Ryan Mclune was in a pretty serious accident just as we were > re-entering civilization. I will NOT post the details at this time > though other than a badly broken leg looked to be the worst injury. > He's at the hospital at least for the night if not longer, and I will > post some more information as I get it. > More importantly, does anyone work with him?? Or know someone at > Nextel that might know him?? At lunch he was telling me that he had > very recently moved here from Oregon, and while we were waiting for the > ambulance, he said that there wasn't anyone in the area family or > friend for me to call.... sooo.... If no one here can shed more info I > am going to try and track down some info via his employer and hopefully > get in touch with some family members... he's going to need a lot of > support during recovery time due to the lef injury, also, I think it > would be better for a friend to call them rather than some police or > hospital drone. > > Thank you for your time > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:18:25 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 07:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: On a much more somber note.... To: Bruce Norton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was told he'd be there for 4-5 days when I spoke with the doctor who did the surgery last night. I'd be happy to head down there with anybody who wanted to go this afternoon or evening. Call me if you're interested and leave a message if the phone is off: 301 437-3542 --- Bruce Norton wrote: > Whoa! That sux! I hope that Ryan's feeling better > soon! How about his mailing > address so we can send him some get well cards. If > the hospital stay is longer, > maybe some balloons or some such from the list would > be a way to let him know > that other riders are thinking about him. > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > > > Our ride today was very outstanding until the last > 5 miles. > > Ryan Mclune was in a pretty serious accident just > as we were > > re-entering civilization. I will NOT post the > details at this time > > though other than a badly broken leg looked to be > the worst injury. > > He's at the hospital at least for the night if not > longer, and I will > > post some more information as I get it. > > More importantly, does anyone work with him?? Or > know someone at > > Nextel that might know him?? At lunch he was > telling me that he had > > very recently moved here from Oregon, and while we > were waiting for the > > ambulance, he said that there wasn't anyone in the > area family or > > friend for me to call.... sooo.... If no one here > can shed more info I > > am going to try and track down some info via his > employer and hopefully > > get in touch with some family members... he's > going to need a lot of > > support during recovery time due to the lef > injury, also, I think it > > would be better for a friend to call them rather > than some police or > > hospital drone. > > > > Thank you for your time > > Collin > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:22:51 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 07:22:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: On a much more somber note.... To: Jeannette Zell , "Collin T. Fagan" , Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ryan's mother is en route from Alaska as of 11pm last night. He's got a badly broken right collarbone, a steel rod in his left leg, and (for the worst part) no feeling on his left side (nerve damage). Doctor wouldn't even speculate on full recovery chances, so keep your fingers crossed for him. --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > Keep us posted, Collin, on anything you find out. > Poor guy, hope he's ok. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:27:12 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:26:57 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: GPz Mailing List , DC Cycles Subject: NPR of Interest I just noticed the following item that might be of interest, that I haven't yet listened to... http://www.wamu.org/pihi.html (Look at Feb 29, local hour: Chasing Che: A Motorcycle Journey in Search of a Legend" -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:33:49 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:39:56 +0000 To: Tom Gimer , "Collin T. Fagan" , Mike T From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: On a much more somber note.... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks for the update, Tom. I will keep him in my thoughts and cross everything I can! Poor guy. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 07:22 AM 3/1/00 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >Ryan's mother is en route from Alaska as of 11pm last >night. > >He's got a badly broken right collarbone, a steel rod >in his left leg, and (for the worst part) no feeling >on his left side (nerve damage). Doctor wouldn't even >speculate on full recovery chances, so keep your >fingers crossed for him. > > > >-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:45:09 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Morris Berman'" , GPz Mailing List , DC Cycles Subject: RE: NPR of Interest Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:42:48 -0500 I listened to is yesterday and even tried to call in, but my cell phone cut out. It was a fascinating discussion but heavily weighted towards discussion of Che and his ideology. Essentially, a New York journalist set out to retrace Che Guevera's famous motorcycle journey through South and Latin America. This is widely believed to be the time that Che was politicized and became a believer in revolution. He came from a middle class family but the oppression and poverty he saw on that trip changed his life. Later on he fought with Fidel Castro in Cuba and other revolutions (Congo, Bolivia) until he was killed by soldiers in Boliva. Che's book (Che's Motorcycle Diaries) is a great read on both a motorcycle and historical/political level. I just ordered the new book as well. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Morris Berman [SMTP:berman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 10:27 AM > To: GPz Mailing List; DC Cycles > Subject: NPR of Interest > > I just noticed the following item that might be of interest, that I > haven't yet listened to... > > http://www.wamu.org/pihi.html (Look at Feb 29, local hour: Chasing Che: A > Motorcycle Journey in Search of a Legend" > > > -Mb > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) > #446884 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging > trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:57:56 2000 From: knapik@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, berman@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:55:16 -0500 Subject: NPR of Interest Content-Disposition: inline Morris wrote: >>I just noticed the following item that might be of interest, that I >>haven't yet listened to... >>http://www.wamu.org/pihi.html (Look at Feb 29, local hour: Chasing Che: A >>Motorcycle Journey in Search of a Legend" Interesting, I just finished reading the book. I'd still like to do a ride from the northern tip of the Americas to the southern tip. I dream big don't I? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 10:58:28 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: dreams Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:46:30 GMT I believe they say everyone dreams everynight, they just don't recall the dreams. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:07:57 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:06:29 EST Subject: Re: eggparka To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 2/29/00 3:47:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, redsullivan@XXXXXX writes: > There might be a right way to go down. I watched Keith > Code talk on a video about practicing relaxing and > falling onto the ground to prepare for a crash, but > I'm skeptical as to how well this prepares you for the > real thing. Pretty damn well, actually. Before I started racing, I took the Code school up at Poccono raceway. The aforementioned crashing info was covered in the class. In... sept?... I locked up the front end coming into turn one at Summit point, and planted myself into the pavement at ~65mph... the first thing that popped into my head was that I was supposed to relax. I did so, and did my best impression of a ragdoll for the next 50 yards or so out into the gravel trap. Didn't break anything, didn't wear through my leathers, only had some bruises. YMMV, but IMHO is was good advice :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:19:38 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:19:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: eggparka Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In... sept?... I locked up the front end coming into turn one at Summit > point, and planted myself into the pavement at ~65mph... the first > thing that popped into my head was that I was supposed to relax. I did > so, and did my best impression of a ragdoll for the next 50 yards or so > out into the gravel trap. Didn't break anything, didn't wear through > my leathers, only had some bruises. Shoot, I learned this years ago watching "The A Team". You see Mr. T didn't like planes so they would always have to somehow disable him to get him into a plane. They drugged him up once and then had a car accident (not on purpose, of course). He was loose and relaxed while the others in the car had braced for the impact. Everyone but Mr. T was hurt... :) Kirk, everything I know I learned on TV 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:20:34 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: jmoran@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What the Cops Should Ride (was US News article) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:44:17 GMT On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:37:49 -0500, you wrote: |>I've seen police on a lot of different motorcycles, from KZ1000s to = Hogs to |>CB250s, even 125s, but the scariest thing I ever saw (at least from the |>viewpoint of a potential lawbreaker) was two Fairfax County cops on = KLRs. I |>figure if those guys know how to ride, even a little, there will be = nowhere to |>run. On foot, on a bike, in a car, no matter. The offender will be = apprehended. That's true unless the guy pulls into an alley then hits reverse. OUCH. The only problem is while they bikes can do other things, they still lack the protection of a cage. The do seem like they'd be good for just patrolling neighborhoods. put in a teather kill switch that needs to be inserted for the bike to run.. so they can just put the bike on the side and go chasing a crook and some kid won't pick the bike up and ride off hehe. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:40:52 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: What the Cops Should Ride (was US News article) Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > That's true unless the guy pulls into an alley then hits reverse. > OUCH. Don't believe for a minute that the police don't take these sorts of things into account in their training. Police motorcyclists are generally quite accomplished in the areas in which they are trained (and routinely tested). They even learn to dump the bike and start running without slowing down (not sure if this is a general practice). Yes, this is with the massive hogs... The CB250 cops don't get the same level of training, from what I understand. Of course, I'm no bike cop so my understanding (and interest) is limited. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:52:18 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:52:10 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: What the Cops Should Ride (was US News article) Come on Kirk, you SHOULD know!! Didn't you ever watch CHIPS? ;-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Kirk Roy wrote: > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > That's true unless the guy pulls into an alley then hits reverse. > > OUCH. > > Don't believe for a minute that the police don't take these sorts of > things into account in their training. Police motorcyclists are generally > quite accomplished in the areas in which they are trained (and routinely > tested). > > They even learn to dump the bike and start running without slowing down > (not sure if this is a general practice). Yes, this is with the massive > hogs... The CB250 cops don't get the same level of training, from what I > understand. Of course, I'm no bike cop so my understanding (and > interest) is limited. > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 11:57:12 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: What the Cops Should Ride (was US News article) Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Morris Berman wrote: > Come on Kirk, you SHOULD know!! > > Didn't you ever watch CHIPS? ;-) You're right. From my recollection cops use KZs to get big air quite frequently, can stop/turn on a dime, and yet they crash for unknown reasons at other times... :) I've probably seen all the CHiPs (note capitalization, cretin) episodes except the recent one with the BMWs... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 12:32:08 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: What the Cops Should Ride (was US News article) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:19:23 -0500 Organization: NCEA Some of the air on CHiPs was faked just a wee little bit. I grew up in LaLa Land and my neighbor across the street was a retired racer and stunt rider who did many of the stunts for CHiPs. He also rode that KZ lookalike off the carrier deck in "Magnum Force". Hanging out at his house was interesting, his garage was better than Disneyland to say the least. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Be Alert! America needs more Lerts." > > Didn't you ever watch CHIPS? ;-) You're right. From my recollection cops use KZs to get big air quite frequently, can stop/turn on a dime, and yet they crash for unknown reasons at other times... :) I've probably seen all the CHiPs (note capitalization, cretin) episodes except the recent one with the BMWs... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 14:36:43 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:30:03 -0800 This is to all the Kaw boys and girls on the list. When my wife and I went to the motorcycle show, she sat on the "sport-touring" ZX-6 and pronounced it good. She sat on the "sport" ZX-6R and pronounced it bad. Ergonomically speaking, that is. I agreed with her assessment. So, I'm kind of looking around for an older (90-95) ZX-6, but not a ZX-6R. The questions is: Which one is the "D" model and which one is the "E" model? I *think* that the ZX-6R is the "E" model, but I'm not sure anymore. I do know that the ZX-6 E1 was a 93 model and I'm pretty sure that the ZX-6 D1 was a 90 model, but other than that I'm not sure. And I don't even want to think about the ZX600! Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 14:39:18 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:41:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 http://members.nova.org/~kirk/newspaper.jpg Thanks to Kirk Roy for putting up the clip that I scanned. Bruce From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 14:54:36 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:57:42 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident Along with everyone else, I am wishing Ryan well and a speedy recovery. I'm sure I'm not the only person who wants to ask this: What are the circumstances surrounding this "head on" crash? Usually that means that someone was driving on the wrong side of the road. Chuck Bruce Norton wrote: > > http://members.nova.org/~kirk/newspaper.jpg > > Thanks to Kirk Roy for putting up the clip that I scanned. > > Bruce From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:08:56 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:07:44 EST Subject: Re: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX The ZX-6E is the "toned down" one. I looked at these a couple years ago when I was looking for my first 600 sportbike. Ended up getting the YZF600R, but I liked the ZX-6E quite a bit for the same reasons you mentioned (ergos, etc). - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:09:05 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:05 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Coleman; Perry" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature The ZX6 D and E variants just stand for the edition level. The ZX6E is the latest in the sport touring line of the ZX6. The D is just an older model (I think D model is '92 and back but I'm not sure). The ZX6R is a ZX6R, period. It has no letter asigned to it that I'm aware of, unlike the ZX6 and the ZX11. Hope this helps. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/01/2000 2:30 PM This is to all the Kaw boys and girls on the list. When my wife and I went to the motorcycle show, she sat on the "sport-touring" ZX-6 and pronounced it good. She sat on the "sport" ZX-6R and pronounced it bad. Ergonomically speaking, that is. I agreed with her assessment. So, I'm kind of looking around for an older (90-95) ZX-6, but not a ZX-6R. The questions is: Which one is the "D" model and which one is the "E" model? I *think* that the ZX-6R is the "E" model, but I'm not sure anymore. I do know that the ZX-6 E1 was a 93 model and I'm pretty sure that the ZX-6 D1 was a 90 model, but other than that I'm not sure. And I don't even want to think about the ZX600! Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:12:08 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , "Coleman, Perry" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:08:18 -0800 Bri, Are you 100% sure about that?!?!? That's what I thought too, but I'm finding a bunch of ads on Classifieds2000, etc. where they say ZX-6E and then in the ad they mention "R", or the picture they show has the "R" on the flank. That's what got me thinking that I had it wrong... Perry -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:08 PM To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature The ZX-6E is the "toned down" one. I looked at these a couple years ago when I was looking for my first 600 sportbike. Ended up getting the YZF600R, but I liked the ZX-6E quite a bit for the same reasons you mentioned (ergos, etc). - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:18:56 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Tom Zell'" , "Coleman, Perry" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:14:42 -0800 Tom, What you say about editions is true. Kaws will use a letter/number combo to indicate edition and year of production. So an "E1" was the first year of the "E" edition, etc. However, I'd be REAL surprised if the ZX-6R doesn't use the same letter/number combo to keep track of editions within it's line. The thing that is annoying is that there have basically been 2 versions of the sporting 600 in almost continuous production since 1986 (or thereabouts.) Trying to figure out which is which, especially when reading classified ads is a major pain! Maybe I should just get a YZF600 (as opposed to the YZF-R6...) Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:05 PM To: Coleman; Perry; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature The ZX6 D and E variants just stand for the edition level. The ZX6E is the latest in the sport touring line of the ZX6. The D is just an older model (I think D model is '92 and back but I'm not sure). The ZX6R is a ZX6R, period. It has no letter asigned to it that I'm aware of, unlike the ZX6 and the ZX11. Hope this helps. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/01/2000 2:30 PM This is to all the Kaw boys and girls on the list. When my wife and I went to the motorcycle show, she sat on the "sport-touring" ZX-6 and pronounced it good. She sat on the "sport" ZX-6R and pronounced it bad. Ergonomically speaking, that is. I agreed with her assessment. So, I'm kind of looking around for an older (90-95) ZX-6, but not a ZX-6R. The questions is: Which one is the "D" model and which one is the "E" model? I *think* that the ZX-6R is the "E" model, but I'm not sure anymore. I do know that the ZX-6 E1 was a 93 model and I'm pretty sure that the ZX-6 D1 was a 90 model, but other than that I'm not sure. And I don't even want to think about the ZX600! Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:41:26 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:41:20 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: US News article ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Cedric Bernescut >Found this last night in my new issue of US News & World Report and thought >is was rather funny. > >A call for more hogs on the Hill ... >Sen. >Ben Nighthorse Campbell, the ponytailed Colorado Republican who parks his >American-made Harley police motorcycle outside the Senate chamber. He wants >the U.S. Capitol Police to dump their weenie Japanese-made bikes and climb >onto Harleys-or other big American bikes. "I'm tired of our police force >looking like pizza-delivery men," Campbell tells us. The Honda 250 Rebels are actually quite good at their task - nimbly going around the city, on sidewalks, etc. Not so easy on a 600-800 lb. Harley. And the good Senator better be careful about making any police motorcycle purchases that are performance-based, because they'd probably end up with BMW R1100RTP bikes instead of Harley's. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:44:41 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:43:27 EST Subject: Re: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/00 3:12:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Are you 100% sure about that?!?!? That's what I thought too, but I'm finding > a bunch of ads on Classifieds2000, etc. where they say ZX-6E and then in the > ad they mention "R", or the picture they show has the "R" on the flank. > That's what got me thinking that I had it wrong... Yeah - If it has an "R" associated with it in any way, it's an "R". If it's a ZX-6 with no letter designation plastered on the plastic, it's the toned down one, or "E" model. Call up CycleSport for more info, as they used to be Kawi dealers and can prob give you the low-down. Also... I know that the Springfield store has a nice used FZR600 right now, which is another decent choice for a "toned down" 600. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:47:01 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:45:36 EST Subject: Re: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/00 3:01:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > I'm sure I'm not the only person who wants to ask this: What are the > circumstances surrounding this "head on" crash? Usually that means that > someone was driving on the wrong side of the road. While I hate to be grim... the photo shows the bus is in the right lane... the bike isn't. Ouch... I hope to never meet the front end of one of those things. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 15:48:51 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Tom Zell'" , "Coleman, Perry" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:36:33 -0800 Tom, Here's an example of the nomenclature from the Kelley Blue Book 1990 ZX600-C3 Ninja R (Retail $2435) ZX600-D1 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $2835) 1992 ZX600-C5 Ninja R (Retail $2980) ZX600-D3 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $3550) 1993 ZX600-C6 Ninja R (Retail $3325) ZX600-D4 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $3925) ZX600-E1 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $4090)<-It starts to get confusing... 1999 ZX600-E7 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $6370) ZX600-G2 Ninja ZX-6R (Retail $7215) Anyway, I think if I find a "D" model between 1990 and 1993, I'm OK. But from 1993, on I'm looking for an "E" model. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:05 PM To: Coleman; Perry; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature The ZX6 D and E variants just stand for the edition level. The ZX6E is the latest in the sport touring line of the ZX6. The D is just an older model (I think D model is '92 and back but I'm not sure). The ZX6R is a ZX6R, period. It has no letter asigned to it that I'm aware of, unlike the ZX6 and the ZX11. Hope this helps. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/01/2000 2:30 PM This is to all the Kaw boys and girls on the list. When my wife and I went to the motorcycle show, she sat on the "sport-touring" ZX-6 and pronounced it good. She sat on the "sport" ZX-6R and pronounced it bad. Ergonomically speaking, that is. I agreed with her assessment. So, I'm kind of looking around for an older (90-95) ZX-6, but not a ZX-6R. The questions is: Which one is the "D" model and which one is the "E" model? I *think* that the ZX-6R is the "E" model, but I'm not sure anymore. I do know that the ZX-6 E1 was a 93 model and I'm pretty sure that the ZX-6 D1 was a 90 model, but other than that I'm not sure. And I don't even want to think about the ZX600! Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:14:41 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:14:19 -0500 However, the bus clearly shows no damage on the front, even to the flimsy traffic bar that swings across the bumper. The article says the motorcycle crashed head-on into the bus - this might not mean that the bus hit Ryan head-on also. Judging from Ryan's position and the bus' position, it's theoretically possible that he was taking a legal left turn onto the road the bus was travelling. Perhaps the bus ran a red light/stop sign and Ryan collided with the front-left side of the bus while making his turn. Perhaps Ryan ran a red light. There's no way to know for sure of course, until someone who was there decides to tell the list. In any event, the result is the same and we all feel bad for Ryan and wish him a quick recovery. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:46 PM > To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident > > In a message dated 3/1/00 3:01:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm sure I'm not the only person who wants to ask this: What are the > > circumstances surrounding this "head on" crash? Usually that means > that > > someone was driving on the wrong side of the road. > > While I hate to be grim... the photo shows the bus is in the right lane... > > the bike isn't. > > Ouch... I hope to never meet the front end of one of those things. > > - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:18:05 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:13 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Coleman; Perry" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Perry, You want to find the E model bike... very nice... very powerful... very comfortable. I can't say anything for the older models but I can say that I was pretty close to buying a '95 and it was nice. Also came close to buying a '94 that needed work... I love the bike... Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/01/2000 3:36 PM Tom, Here's an example of the nomenclature from the Kelley Blue Book 1990 ZX600-C3 Ninja R (Retail $2435) ZX600-D1 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $2835) 1992 ZX600-C5 Ninja R (Retail $2980) ZX600-D3 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $3550) 1993 ZX600-C6 Ninja R (Retail $3325) ZX600-D4 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $3925) ZX600-E1 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $4090)<-It starts to get confusing... 1999 ZX600-E7 Ninja ZX-6 (Retail $6370) ZX600-G2 Ninja ZX-6R (Retail $7215) Anyway, I think if I find a "D" model between 1990 and 1993, I'm OK. But from 1993, on I'm looking for an "E" model. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:05 PM To: Coleman; Perry; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature The ZX6 D and E variants just stand for the edition level. The ZX6E is the latest in the sport touring line of the ZX6. The D is just an older model (I think D model is '92 and back but I'm not sure). The ZX6R is a ZX6R, period. It has no letter asigned to it that I'm aware of, unlike the ZX6 and the ZX11. Hope this helps. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Author: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX (Coleman; Perry) Date: 03/01/2000 2:30 PM This is to all the Kaw boys and girls on the list. When my wife and I went to the motorcycle show, she sat on the "sport-touring" ZX-6 and pronounced it good. She sat on the "sport" ZX-6R and pronounced it bad. Ergonomically speaking, that is. I agreed with her assessment. So, I'm kind of looking around for an older (90-95) ZX-6, but not a ZX-6R. The questions is: Which one is the "D" model and which one is the "E" model? I *think* that the ZX-6R is the "E" model, but I'm not sure anymore. I do know that the ZX-6 E1 was a 93 model and I'm pretty sure that the ZX-6 D1 was a 90 model, but other than that I'm not sure. And I don't even want to think about the ZX600! Thanks! Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:18:50 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Dr. Gridlock Gets Another Moto Letter Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:18:38 -0500 >From Dr. Gridlock, Mar. 1, 2000: Motorcycles Can Ease Commute Dear Dr. Gridlock: Your Feb. 23 column had dozens of suggestions on how to clear up our traffic troubles but left out a mode of transportation that could alleviate much of the area congestion: motorcycles. Many get 50 miles to the gallon, are cheaper to operate than a car, take up less space on the road and are allowed in HOV lanes with only a single rider. Whenever the weather permits, I commute from Crofton in Anne Arundel County to Rosslyn. I urge your readers to call the Motorcycle Safety Foundation to sign up for a beginner rider course. Commuting can be a pleasure when it's a sunny spring day, the wind is in your face, and you're enjoying the ride. Lynn Gilgut Crofton Thanks for the reminder. The number for the Motorcycle Safety Foundation is 1-800-638-1722 in Maryland, 703-845-6240 in Virginia and 703-450-2551 in Loudoun County. We don't have a foundation number for the District of Columbia. Dr. Gridlock also believes we should do whatever we can to encourage commuting by bicycle or by foot, by flex time or by telecommuting, by car-pooling or by slugging, by bus or rail. Anything that gets cars off our roads. From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:19:55 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:19:17 EST Subject: Re: US News article To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/1/00 3:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > The Honda 250 Rebels are actually quite good at their task - nimbly going > around the city, on sidewalks, etc. Not so easy on a 600-800 lb. Harley. > > And the good Senator better be careful about making any police motorcycle > purchases that are performance-based, because they'd probably end up with BMW > R1100RTP bikes instead of Harley's. The new Buell Blast could be a good solution here. It still will cost more than a Japanese 250, but not nearly as much as any H-D. Besides, it looks good to have the police at the US Capitol on US made motorcycles. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:22:09 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Tom Zell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:18:21 -0800 Tom, I appreciate the feedback. I'd like to find a nice '95, or thereabouts, so I guess I'll be looking for an E3. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 4:13 PM To: Coleman; Perry; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature Perry, You want to find the E model bike... very nice... very powerful... very comfortable. I can't say anything for the older models but I can say that I was pretty close to buying a '95 and it was nice. Also came close to buying a '94 that needed work... I love the bike... Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:26:06 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:25:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident To: Chuck Pena Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Collin and I were with him, but because we were ahead of him we can only speculate as to exactly what happened....our guess is target fixation in the middle of the turn upon a large, yellow object. Ryan was unable to tell us or the medics what had happened and my guess is that he had a pretty bad concussion. Even with his injuries being pretty darn serious, he is lucky he was well protected (Stich, etc.) I'd rather not go into detail regarding his injuries....made me quite queasy to be there and witness it. Collin assisted the medics initially with securing Ryan's spine and we attempted to calm him down during the time that help was on teh way. Bike was absolutely RUINED....plastic, fluids everywhere. Maybe the headers can be salvaged....that's it. Point of impact was in the bus's lane about 60 feet from where Ryan ended up. The bus driver thinks she ran over him. It was not, however, a 'high speed' collision like the media would have us believe. High speed + a school bus = no more biker. It just didn't happen that way. --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Along with everyone else, I am wishing Ryan well and > a speedy recovery. > > I'm sure I'm not the only person who wants to ask > this: What are the > circumstances surrounding this "head on" crash? > Usually that means that > someone was driving on the wrong side of the road. > > Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:30:39 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:30:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: US News article At 04:19 PM 3/1/00 , FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: >The new Buell Blast could be a good solution here. It still will cost more >than a Japanese 250, but not nearly as much as any H-D. Besides, it looks >good to have the police at the US Capitol on US made motorcycles. I agree that government agencies should be riding and driving US made equipment, but not at the cost of replacing them unnecessarily. Of course - the 250s would make nice donations to various MSF courses locally..... The Blast would still have the stigma of being a little bike. Not as intimidating as the Electra Glides or whatever HD the local cops ride. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 New Tires....Spring here yet? From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 16:38:00 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:43:53 +0000 To: Tom Gimer , Chuck Pena From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Newspaper clip of Ryan's accident Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ack, scary stuff. Reminds me of the horrible story I read somewhere, might have been on Motorcycle Online, about a woman who target-fixated on a truck, hit it, and almost had her leg taken off. Needless to say, it scared the s@*$ out of me! : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 01:25 PM 3/1/00 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >Collin and I were with him, but because we were ahead >of him we can only speculate as to exactly what >happened....our guess is target fixation in the middle >of the turn upon a large, yellow object. Ryan was >unable to tell us or the medics what had happened and >my guess is that he had a pretty bad concussion. Even >with his injuries being pretty darn serious, he is >lucky he was well protected (Stich, etc.) I'd rather >not go into detail regarding his injuries....made me >quite queasy to be there and witness it. Collin >assisted the medics initially with securing Ryan's >spine and we attempted to calm him down during the >time that help was on teh way. > >Bike was absolutely RUINED....plastic, fluids >everywhere. Maybe the headers can be >salvaged....that's it. Point of impact was in the >bus's lane about 60 feet from where Ryan ended up. >The bus driver thinks she ran over him. It was not, >however, a 'high speed' collision like the media would >have us believe. High speed + a school bus = no more >biker. It just didn't happen that way. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 19:52:57 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:52:30 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock Gets Another Moto Letter To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Please tell me we aren't going to go into this one again? Glenn --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > From Dr. Gridlock, Mar. 1, 2000: > > Many get 50 miles to the gallon, are cheaper to > operate than a car, take up __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 20:02:52 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:02:48 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Help on Kawasaki ZX-6 numbering/nomenclature To: "Coleman, Perry" , "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Are you 100% sure about that?!?!? That's what I > thought too, but I'm finding > a bunch of ads on Classifieds2000, etc. where they > say ZX-6E and then in the > ad they mention "R", or the picture they show has > the "R" on the flank. My initial impression is to agree with Tom. I think the R on the 6E comes from that coffee can link posted earlier. Doesn't MSN carry used bike prices a couple of times a year, wouldn't the right answer be listed in those? Can anyone look this up. Leon. It was 80 in Orlando today. :-) DisneyWorld is great, especially with a 7 yr old along. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 21:09:19 2000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:08:35 -0200 Subject: re: NPR of Interest CC: Morris Berman From: Morris Berman > I just noticed the following item that might be of interest, that I > haven't yet listened to... > http://www.wamu.org/pihi.html (Look at Feb 29, local hour: Chasing > Che: A Motorcycle Journey in Search of a Legend" Morris, I listened to this the other week. The interviewing dronette didn't even ask the guy what he rode (I don't know) in following Che's 35+ year-old route, nor even what kind of bike Che had (Norton 500). If you like Che and all the sociopolitical implications his name might represent, then IMO it was still pretty interesting. JK 95 VFR D-Mode From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 22:52:30 2000 From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:51:07 EST Subject: VX 800 update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd like to thank everyone on the list who kindly responded to my request for info on the Suzuki VX 800. When I was speaking to the seller he informed me that the bike was a 93 model and had 2-3k miles on it. Alas, my selective hearing kicked in again. Upon contacting him I found the bike had 23k miles on it. I wasn't really that interested but felt it might be too good to pass up. With this lastest info my interest has dwindled. I guess I'm hardcore sport/race bike kind of guy:-) For anyone interested the bike is still for sale. It is black and has a very small dent in the tank (covered by the riders leg I'm told). The bike has never been crashed but the guy doesn't have the room and his wife wants him to clear out the garage. He is selling it for $1100 but get the feeling he could be talked down further still. I'm told the bike runs great and is in good mechanical condition. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks, Jeff jeff ozmen duc748/855 motoeuropa elf lubricants elf race fuel From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 23:08:48 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:01:46 -0500 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/01/00 From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX i would if I had one! I got the chance to take a Yamaha YZ250 for a spin on the beach a few times over new years and it was AWESOME......but if I get one I'll le ya know :D >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/01/00 >Date: Wed, Mar 1, 2000, 7:00 PM > > 98 Yamaha RT180, and was wondering who on the list dirt > rides, and where do you go? Once I'm back to 100% I want to get out and get > muddy! From dc-cycles-request Wed Mar 1 23:11:08 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:04:10 -0500 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/01/00 From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX how did it happen? >>>>>>>Marcy >>>>>>>CB-1 400F >>>>>>>"I'll sleep when I'm dead." ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 03/01/00 >Date: Wed, Mar 1, 2000, 7:00 PM > > He's got a badly broken right collarbone, a steel rod > in his left leg, and (for the worst part) no feeling > on his left side (nerve damage). Doctor wouldn't even > speculate on full recovery chances, so keep your > fingers crossed for him. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 04:46:35 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:41:31 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock Gets Another Moto Letter To: dysart@XXXXXX, "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" > wrote: > > From Dr. Gridlock, Mar. 1, 2000: > > > > > Many get 50 miles to the gallon, are cheaper to > > operate than a car, take up --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Please tell me we aren't going to go into this one > again? Absolutely not. The Gridlock quote is what we tell folks who don't ride. It's more like advertising hype. What we did before was a debate over whether there was enough truth to the hype to use in our own financial planning. There is room for debate internally. As advertising hype, it is very effective, we should continue to say it there. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 08:12:58 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:12:54 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: US News article ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: FGrefe@XXXXXX >Besides, it looks >good to have the police at the US Capitol on US made motorcycles. Speaking as a taxpayer, I think it looks better to be on a bike that provides the best value for the money. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 08:17:16 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:16:39 EST Subject: Re: On a much more somber note.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bummer - Sean and I rode with him last Saturday (in the fog and a cloud on 601). He seemed to be a pretty much together guy. Sean and I are planning to visit him tonight. We'll be leaving from my office (Tyson's area) about 17:30 if anyone wants to car pool to the hospital, you're welcome to come along (mini-van). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 08:17:29 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:17:26 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock Gets Another Moto Letter Please tell me you're not going to write Dr. Gridlock and tell him bikes are more expensive than cars? Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:52:30 -0800 (PST) >Please tell me we aren't going to go into this one >again? > >Glenn > >--- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: >> From Dr. Gridlock, Mar. 1, 2000: >> > >> Many get 50 miles to the gallon, are cheaper to >> operate than a car, take up > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 09:11:27 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:10:58 -0500 Subject: This is a good one..... Content-Disposition: inline This guy is flying down the road and he comes over a bridge.=A0 Sure enough, a cop with a radar gun is sitting on the other side of the bridge and pulls him over. The cop walks up to the guy's car and asks, "What's the hurry?" The guy says, "I'm late for work." "What do you do?" The guy responds, "Well, I'm a rectum stretcher." The cop says, "What? A rectum stretcher?" The guy says, "Yeah. I start with a finger, then work my way up to two fingers... eventually I get a hand in, then both hands, and I slowly stretch it until it's about six feet wide." The cop asks, "What do you do with a six-foot asshole?" "Well, you give him a radar gun and park him at the end of a bridge.." = From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 09:26:44 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , DC Cycles Cc: Morris Berman Subject: RE: NPR of Interest Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:24:22 -0500 Not that interview linked below. It was Kojo Annonde, def not a dronnette. They did discuss the motorcycle a bit towards the end. > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Kozyn [SMTP:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 6:09 PM > To: DC Cycles > Cc: Morris Berman > Subject: re: NPR of Interest > > From: Morris Berman > > > I just noticed the following item that might be of interest, that I > > haven't yet listened to... > > http://www.wamu.org/pihi.html (Look at Feb 29, local hour: Chasing > > Che: A Motorcycle Journey in Search of a Legend" > > Morris, > > I listened to this the other week. The interviewing dronette didn't > even ask the guy what he rode (I don't know) in following Che's 35+ > year-old route, nor even what kind of bike Che had (Norton 500). If > you like Che and all the sociopolitical implications his name might > represent, then IMO it was still pretty interesting. > > JK > 95 VFR > D-Mode From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 10:02:17 2000 From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:00:39 EST Subject: Risers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a problem maybe some of you can help me with. In November of this year I called Barons (after-market company) and spoke to John Baron about ordering his risers for my 98 Royal Star. The objective was to bring the handlebars closer to me. The stock Star is fine but for added comfort and control I thought I should do this. They were bought and installed over the last couple of days. In speaking with John, I was advised the stock cables are fine and no need to replace them. When I went to pick up my bike yesterday it looked like easy rider, ape hangers. I was told not enough cable. In riding her home last night my arms fell asleep because they were above my heart. I called John almost in tears. I believe my mechanic put them on without reading the directions and I also believe Barons has no reason to mis guide me. He is supposed to call my mechanic today and talk to him but I think I know where this will go. Do any of you know anything about these risers and how they are supposed to be installed? How to run the cables? I have enclosed the net site so you can look at them for yourself. http://www.baronscustom.com/cgi-local/catalog/shop.pl/page=cat_pg2.html/SID=26 54693180 Thanking all of you in advance. Debbie 98 Royal Star From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 10:27:15 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: '99 yzf600 for sale frame is trashed: NO VFR, SV Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:25:06 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Ok, after closer inspection, the bikes frame is toast. It will make a great parts bike for someone looking for an engine, swingarm, rear wheel, instruments, forks, clip-ons, rt. side plastic, gauges, etc., but it will never be road worthy again because of the frame damage. Sorry. I do have pictures if anyone is interested, e-mail me off list. '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers- www.shen-valley.com 1-888-743-6825 toll free From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 10:33:39 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Oh. My. God. So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru late July. Registration opened on Monday. They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of the week. That sucks ass. So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is late June. I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull some strings? I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? grrr.... -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 10:47:11 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:46:35 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Risers ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:00:39 EST > Do any of you know anything about these risers and how they are > supposed to be installed? How to run the cables? Debbie, Carefully look at the pic of the risers again, then go and look at your bike. Did the mechanic install them the wrong way, so they lift the bars UP instead of back? That's what it sounds like. It might be a simple fix...but I'm just guessing. I don't have any specific knowledge of the bike or those risers. Good luck, let us know how it turns out. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 11:49:52 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 11:49:11 -0500 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Troutman Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. At 10:33 AM 3/2/00 , Ken Woods wrote: >So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. >One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru >late July. Registration opened on Monday. >They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of >the week. > >I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull >some strings? Its ok Ken - we can teach you how to ride ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 11:53:03 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:45:57 EST Subject: Re: Risers To: Bluice101@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/2/00 10:24:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bluice101@XXXXXX writes: << Do any of you know anything about these risers and how they are supposed to be installed? >> Debbie, After looking at the pics on the web site I agree with Horkster...looks like your mechanic might have installed them backwards. That would make them very tall and create the need for longer lines. You might want to double-check that. Good luck, Steve Broadstreet Concours Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 12:11:19 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:10:56 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: Risers >> Do any of you know anything about these risers and how they are >> supposed to be installed? How to run the cables? > From: "Horkster" >Carefully look at the pic of the risers again, then go and look >at your bike. Did the mechanic install them the wrong way, so >they lift the bars UP instead of back? That's what it sounds >like. > >It might be a simple fix...but I'm just guessing. I don't have >any specific knowledge of the bike or those risers. Agreed. Another idea is that there may be fewer allowed positions for the handlebars - and yours ended up in the high position. Given that the risers are intended to use the stock cables if you have the stock handlebars (you have the stock handlebars?) then it's possible that there are fewer allowed positions of the handlebars, due to the cables. The idea is that the handlebars may have to be adjusted higher or lower to allow slack in the cables. If the handlebars were adjusted higher, this could the too-high result you got. Hope this makes sense! lets us know how it goes, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 13:36:03 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:36:02 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Troutman cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Troutman wrote: > Its ok Ken - we can teach you how to ride ;-) Smartass. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 13:40:25 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:39:41 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Accept-Language: en To: Danny Thompson , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: '99 yzf600 for sale frame is trashed: NO VFR, SV Does any know if the engine will bolt into a 94 FZR 600. ;o) Danny, now that they know the frame is dead how much are the asking for it, still 2K? Nelson Danny Thompson wrote: > Ok, after closer inspection, the bikes frame is toast. It will make a great > parts bike for someone looking for an engine, swingarm, rear wheel, > instruments, forks, clip-ons, rt. side plastic, gauges, etc., but it will > never be > road worthy again because of the frame damage. Sorry. I do have pictures if > anyone is interested, e-mail me off list. > '99 VFR > '99 SV > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers- www.shen-valley.com 1-888-743-6825 toll free From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 14:10:40 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1972 14:13:54 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Ken Woods cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who was there first? I don't think so. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > the week. > > That sucks ass. > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > late June. > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > some strings? > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > grrr.... > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 14:17:45 2000 X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:17:08 -0500 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > the week. Sadly, this is not news. I signed up for the MSF class last year in early march, and the first opening they had was sept 9/10 :(. I took it, and had to wait all summer. Being the dufus that I am, I decided not to even buy a bike until I had gone to the class because I knew I wouldn't be able to resist. Missed a good summer for riding IIRC. > That sucks ass. It sure does. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no accident "user" is a 4 letter word --KV From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 14:48:35 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: MSF Courses filling up instantly every year (was Oh. My. God.) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:44:26 -0800 To all the MSF instructors on the list: WHY does this seem to happen every year? Is it a shortage of Instructors? Facilities? Money? Some political thing? If there's this much demand, why can't some adjustments be made? I mean, it's A GOOD THING that people want the MSF course before they start riding. Why can't the system better accommodate them? Regards, Perry >> >> So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. >> One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru >> late July. Registration opened on Monday. >> They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of >> the week. > >Sadly, this is not news. I signed up for the MSF class last year in early >march, and the first opening they had was sept 9/10 :(. I took it, and >had to wait all summer. Being the dufus that I am, I decided not to even >buy a bike until I had gone to the class because I knew I wouldn't be able >to resist. Missed a good summer for riding IIRC. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 14:56:29 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:56:09 -0500 I ended up just saying "to hell with it" and bought the bike to ride while I waited for the MSF class. I rode illegally around the neighborhood for a few months while I waited for the class. I'm not sure I'd recommend this method, as it has obvious dangers, but it did work for me. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Paper [SMTP:cerberus@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:17 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. > > Sadly, this is not news. I signed up for the MSF class last year in early > march, and the first opening they had was sept 9/10 :(. I took it, and > had to wait all summer. Being the dufus that I am, I decided not to even > buy a bike until I had gone to the class because I knew I wouldn't be able > to resist. Missed a good summer for riding IIRC. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 15:19:50 2000 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:19:22 -0500 Subject: Frame painting Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX Does anyone know a shop that does frame painting on smaller items such as MCs in the metro area? I'm not looking for bike show quality, just a paint job... Thanks, -John From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 15:41:13 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'jnewman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Frame painting Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:38:51 -0500 try www.speedwerks.com > -----Original Message----- > From: jnewman@XXXXXX [SMTP:jnewman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 3:19 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Frame painting > > Does anyone know a shop that does frame painting on smaller > items such as MCs in the metro area? I'm not looking for bike > show quality, just a paint job... > > Thanks, > > -John From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 15:53:03 2000 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:52:33 -0500 Subject: RE: Frame painting Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mark, Speedwerks is a great shop- I bought my fzr400 from Steve and Jon over there, but Dover, DE is a little too far away for this project. I want a cheap paint job for the Vespa I just bought. Thanks though! -John From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Frame painting try www.speedwerks.com > -----Original Message----- > From: jnewman@XXXXXX [SMTP:jnewman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 3:19 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Frame painting > > Does anyone know a shop that does frame painting on smaller > items such as MCs in the metro area? I'm not looking for bike > show quality, just a paint job... > > Thanks, > > -John From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 15:58:03 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:57:55 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Garcia Oliver cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Is that what I said? No, acutally, it wasn't anywhere fucking close to what I said. Shut your fuckhole. Weren't you the idiot that was complaining about batteries last week? On Thu, 2 Mar 1972, Garcia Oliver wrote: > > So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who was there > first? I don't think so. > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > > the week. > > > > That sucks ass. > > > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > > late June. > > > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > > some strings? > > > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > > grrr.... > > > > -- > > Ken Woods > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:00:42 2000 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:00:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Frame painting Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX I believe speedwerk's web address is www.speed-werks.com, although their site seems to be down at the moment... -John From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Frame painting try www.speedwerks.com > -----Original Message----- > From: jnewman@XXXXXX [SMTP:jnewman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 3:19 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Frame painting > > Does anyone know a shop that does frame painting on smaller > items such as MCs in the metro area? I'm not looking for bike > show quality, just a paint job... > > Thanks, > > -John From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:15:23 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:12:39 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Ken Woods CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Yeppers - classes fill up fast. I tell folks to register waaayy early, like around Christmas, and they all go yeah, yeah, riiggghht. This is about the time they come by and cry because they procrastinated. Somebody asked if it was lack of instructors, facilties, or equiment. ALL of the above. The instructors, save for a couple, are part time. Divide the pay by hours and it works out to about $10/hr, so we do it because we like it and have a real job to pay the bills. Facilities are a problem - need a BIG flat, unobstructed chunk of asphalt. Flat and unbstructed are optional, from the courses I've worked on. Keeping the *ahem* abused bikes going and having enough bikes is an ongoing problem. Not enough money. Both Alex and Lo campus has added mid-week courses, pending on finding enough instructors for same. Now of all the real job employers would allow X days off for thier instructor employees to work mid-week.... I'm dreaming. Answer to last question - no, instructors can't pull strings even if if there were strings to pull. Full is full, bottom line. My only suggestion would be to form a 12 person pre-paid group and with cash in hand attempt to score a mid-week class. Assuming I don't have any conflicts, you could sweeten the offer with me as signed on range target .. er... I mean instructor. Bill Huson Ken Woods wrote: > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > the week. > > That sucks ass. > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > late June. > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > some strings? > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > grrr.... > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:20:55 2000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:20:22 PST >I ended up just saying "to hell with it" and bought the bike to ride while >I >waited for the MSF class. I rode illegally around the neighborhood for a >few >months while I waited for the class. I think this is pretty common. I'm curious... How many of us actually had a motorcycle endorsement when they bought their first bike? How about when they first RODE one? Me... I didn't even have my driver's license when I rode my first motorcycle on the street. I was 14. I didn't get a motorcycle endorsement until I was over 30. But I didn't own a motorcycle for much of that time. Was I really risking it? I never got a ticket until after I got my license endorsed! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:30:03 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:25 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Ken Woods" , "garicao@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Oh. My. God. Now that really wasn't necessary, now was it?? Geez people! Don't have a cow, man! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Author: kwoods@XXXXXX (Ken Woods) Date: 03/02/2000 3:57 PM Is that what I said? No, acutally, it wasn't anywhere fucking close to what I said. Shut your fuckhole. Weren't you the idiot that was complaining about batteries last week? On Thu, 2 Mar 1972, Garcia Oliver wrote: > > So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who was there > first? I don't think so. > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > > the week. > > > > That sucks ass. > > > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > > late June. > > > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > > some strings? > > > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > > grrr.... > > > > -- > > Ken Woods > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:31:44 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Tom Zell cc: "garicao@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Oh. My. God. Fuck him. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Tom Zell wrote: > Now that really wasn't necessary, now was it?? > > Geez people! Don't have a cow, man! > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. > Author: kwoods@XXXXXX (Ken Woods) > Date: 03/02/2000 3:57 PM > > Is that what I said? > > No, acutally, it wasn't anywhere fucking close to what I said. > > Shut your fuckhole. > > Weren't you the idiot that was complaining about batteries last week? > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 1972, Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > > > So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who was there > > first? I don't think so. > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > > > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > > > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > > > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > > > the week. > > > > > > That sucks ass. > > > > > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > > > late June. > > > > > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > > > some strings? > > > > > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > > > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > > > grrr.... > > > > > > -- > > > Ken Woods > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:35:33 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Bill Huson'" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:32:03 -0800 Bill, >From what I've heard in Maryland, they won't accept registrations prior to March 1st (or thereabouts) so you can't sign up at Christmas. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Yeppers - classes fill up fast. I tell folks to register waaayy early, like around Christmas, and they all go yeah, yeah, riiggghht. This is about the time they come by and cry because they procrastinated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:40:26 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:37:52 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. I rode without an endorsement - around my neighborhood - then took the *test*, for what it was worth back in `71. You rode a big figure 8 and if you made it back to the cop with no visible blood, you got your permit. There were no MSF classes, but I do recall ordering a book from the MSF? It was a lot like the current manual and I wish I could find it to compare. Bill > > I think this is pretty common. I'm curious... How many of us actually had a > motorcycle endorsement when they bought their first bike? How about when > they first RODE one? Me... I didn't even have my driver's license when I > rode my first motorcycle on the street. I was 14. I didn't get a motorcycle > endorsement until I was over 30. But I didn't own a motorcycle for much of > that time. Was I really risking it? I never got a ticket until after I got > my license endorsed! > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:40:33 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Oh. My. God. Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:36:12 -0500 You don't have to ride illegally only because you haven't taken a MSF course. I concur with Chris that it isn't the recommended path, but in the District all you need to do to get a learner's permit (which permits daytime solo riding) is to pass a 20 question written (multiple guess) exam. I think Virginia operates in the same manner. Bests, Erik '80 CX500 "Das Beast" -----Original Message----- From: Weaver, Chris_(MD) [mailto:CWeaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:56 PM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. I ended up just saying "to hell with it" and bought the bike to ride while I waited for the MSF class. I rode illegally around the neighborhood for a few months while I waited for the class. I'm not sure I'd recommend this method, as it has obvious dangers, but it did work for me. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Paper [SMTP:cerberus@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:17 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. > > Sadly, this is not news. I signed up for the MSF class last year in early > march, and the first opening they had was sept 9/10 :(. I took it, and > had to wait all summer. Being the dufus that I am, I decided not to even > buy a bike until I had gone to the class because I knew I wouldn't be able > to resist. Missed a good summer for riding IIRC. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:51:29 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:50:59 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Garcia Oliver Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1972 14:13:54 -0500 (EST) >So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who >was there first? I don't think so. I recall a post here a couple of years ago detailing how one could go about registering for the MSF at one of the NOVA campuses, then just show up early at one of the Spring classes, and hope there was a no-show (or no-shows). If the instructor of that course was willing, you could get in. Some folks sign up then chicken out at the last minute (those Nighthawk 250s are just SO SCARY ). It's a hit-or-miss affair, you may have to try it a few times, but it beats waiting all summer. Just relaying what I've heard, I haven't tried it myself. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 16:52:21 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:49:30 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: "Coleman, Perry" CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Yes, I'm sure VA has a turnon date also. Earlier than Mar 1st I'm sure as I seem to recall the classes were getting packed in Feb. LO starts in a couple weeks and runs until Dec. Bill Coleman, Perry wrote: > Bill, > > >From what I've heard in Maryland, they won't accept registrations prior to > March 1st (or thereabouts) so you can't sign up at Christmas. > > Perry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. > > Yeppers - classes fill up fast. I tell folks to register waaayy early, like > around Christmas, and they all go yeah, yeah, riiggghht. This is about the > time they come by and cry because they procrastinated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 17:16:33 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:16:20 -0500 From: "Mullins John" Organization: BAH X-Accept-Language: en To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. This story is correct. I took the MSF course two years ago at NOVA. Three people showed up the first night of the class that were not registered. They signed a list and waited for no shows. There was one no show and one of the three guys joined our class. John 99 VFR800 Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Garcia Oliver > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1972 14:13:54 -0500 (EST) > > >So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who > >was there first? I don't think so. > > I recall a post here a couple of years ago detailing how one could > go about registering for the MSF at one of the NOVA campuses, > then just show up early at one of the Spring classes, and hope > there was a no-show (or no-shows). If the instructor of that > course was willing, you could get in. Some folks sign up then > chicken out at the last minute (those Nighthawk 250s are just > SO SCARY ). It's a hit-or-miss affair, you may have to > try it a few times, but it beats waiting all summer. > > Just relaying what I've heard, I haven't tried it myself. > > Dale > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 17:23:10 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:22:57 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , "Doug Allis" Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:20:22 PST > How many of us actually had a motorcycle endorsement when they > bought their first bike? Nope. >How about when they first RODE one? Nope, that occured about 3 minutes later. :) >Was I really risking it? I never got a ticket until after I got >my license endorsed! I never did anything that would have gotten me pulled over while I was riding around the neighborhood unlicensed. I had ridden dirtbikes a little bit as a kid, so it wasn't a totally new concept riding on the street. I learned just enough that I had something to unlearn when I took the MSF a month or two later. :) Not that I recommend this approach, I mention the MSF to anybody who starts asking me questions about getting into motorcycling. It's the best way to go about things. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 17:25:08 2000 X-Originating-IP: [63.80.246.6] From: "x y" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:24:30 GMT Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 17:50:25 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:45:13 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey To: Doug Allis cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Oh. My. God. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Doug Allis wrote: > I think this is pretty common. I'm curious... How many of us actually had a > motorcycle endorsement when they bought their first bike? Endorsement, taken and passed MSF class, and then bought my street bike. > How about when they first RODE one? Street bike? Yup, absolutely. Even practiced in the USGS parking lots for a couple of weeks before getting into traffic. > Me... I didn't even have my driver's license when I rode my first > motorcycle on the street. I was 14. I didn't get a motorcycle > endorsement until I was over 30. But I didn't own a motorcycle for > much of that time. Was I really risking it? I never got a ticket > until after I got my license endorsed! Depends on "risk". Hell, I rode dirt bikes in rural South Carolina as a teen with bare feet, shorts and a t-shirt. Protective gear was goggles, if you had a few folks riding with you. :) Of course, now that asphalt and other drivers are involved, I'm a full-fledged safety nut, for myself. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 18:40:28 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1972 18:43:59 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Ken Woods cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Sure sounds like what you said: "I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull some strings?" Of course I could be wrong about you---but, on current evidence, I doubt it. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > Is that what I said? > > No, acutally, it wasn't anywhere fucking close to what I said. > > Shut your fuckhole. > > Weren't you the idiot that was complaining about batteries last week? > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 1972, Garcia Oliver wrote: > > > > > So they can jump to the front of the line and bump someone who was there > > first? I don't think so. > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. > > > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru > > > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > > > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of > > > the week. > > > > > > That sucks ass. > > > > > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is > > > late June. > > > > > > I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull > > > some strings? > > > > > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to > > > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? > > > grrr.... > > > > > > -- > > > Ken Woods > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 18:56:10 2000 From: RMHGFH@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:55:10 EST Subject: seasonal maintenance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gentlemen, and Ladies, As excited as we are about the beginning of the new riding season, let us not forget the importance of seasonal maintenance. The other day, as I was draining my fork oil, I grabbed the front brake, and sprang down on the handlebars to push out the last few drops. To my surprise, the bars spun down almost to the tank. Granted it was an unusually large force that I had supplied, but not the type of discovery that a motorcyclist wants chance in an adverse situation. With further investigation, I found the clamp nuts much to loose. A discovery that I would never have found if I was not in the middle of this seasonal maintenance. Tire pressure, rear wheel mounting bolts, handlebars, clip-ons, etc., all need a good inspection. A wise man once said, "Vibration never tightens, only loosens." Best wishes for automobile-free curvy-road riding, John '93 R100R From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 18:57:31 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'harry@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:55:27 -0500 I vote to remove him from the list. He is constantly rude and belligerent. This is a community, not a public place (although he wouldn't say those things in person I am sure). PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > -----Original Message----- > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? > > Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 20:32:22 2000 From: ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: MSF classes Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:42:38 -0800 Encoding: 43 TEXT I too have 3-4 friends that are anxious to take the beginners class. How about it ? Niv F650ST DR650 Ken Woods wrote: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Oh. My. God. So, I know some people that are interested in taking the MSF class. One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that they are booked thru late July. Registration opened on Monday. They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings at all) by the end of the week. That sucks ass. So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first opening they have is late June. I know we've got some instructors here.............can any of you pull some strings? I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say "Yes, I'll learn to ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is half over to do it? grrr.... -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 21:37:52 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:37:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Mark Kitchell cc: "'harry@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Good idea. Take me off. You people are fucked up. I've gotten several feel good messages about how you all meet each other and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, blah. Fuck each and every one of you. Harry, PLEASE remove me. On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I vote to remove him from the list. He is constantly rude and belligerent. > This is a community, not a public place (although he wouldn't say those > things in person I am sure). > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? > > > > Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 21:38:39 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:38:38 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Mark Kitchell cc: "'harry@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I vote to remove him from the list. He is constantly rude and > belligerent. This is a community, not a public place (although he > wouldn't say those things in person I am sure). ha.... Ask those that have met me, and you'll get a different answer. > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? > > > > Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 22:27:16 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! To: Ken Woods , Mark Kitchell Cc: "'harry@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Hey, I've never met either one of you but my vote is for Mark to shut up and leave well enough alone. Don't let anyone run you off the list Ken. Glenn --- Ken Woods wrote: > > Good idea. > > > Take me off. > > You people are fucked up. > > I've gotten several feel good messages about how you > all meet each other > and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, > blah. > > > Fuck each and every one of you. > > > Harry, PLEASE remove me. > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I vote to remove him from the list. He is > constantly rude and belligerent. > > This is a community, not a public place (although > he wouldn't say those > > things in person I am sure). > > > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go > away? > > > > > > Write Harry the list manager at > harry@XXXXXX > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Mar 2 23:05:21 2000 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "Ken Woods" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:04:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm curious, Ken. How old are you? Most people outgrow this way of expressing themselves in high school. I frankly don't care whether the list is a family or not, whether you ever meet me or any other list member or not. And I really don't care whether you're a nice guy or the village idiot. But, were I in your shoes, I'd be embarrassed about my inability to write articulately. Since you probably don't understand what I'm saying, I'll volunteer to be embarrassed for you. Would you kiss your mother with that mouth? > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 9:38 PM > To: Mark Kitchell > Cc: 'harry@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > Good idea. > > > Take me off. > > You people are fucked up. > > I've gotten several feel good messages about how you all meet each other > and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, blah. > > > Fuck each and every one of you. > > > Harry, PLEASE remove me. > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I vote to remove him from the list. He is constantly rude and > belligerent. > > This is a community, not a public place (although he wouldn't say those > > things in person I am sure). > > > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: x y [SMTP:kenwoodssux@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:25 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Shut Ken Woods up! > > > > > > Anybody else want to see this rude loudmouth go away? > > > > > > Write Harry the list manager at harry@XXXXXX > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 00:08:19 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:46:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Ken shut up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually, I thought it was kinda funny that the person posted using an anonymous hotmail account, but didn't spoof their account... very easy to figure out who it was if you save all your email in the trash folder like I used to do... As for his behaviour.... I agree it's a little unecessary and a bit out of place on a G-rated email list; however, at least he has the cohones to tell us how he really feels and sign his name to it... I may not like his choice of words, but I respect it...I'll know up front what he believes in, what he thinks of me, etc. then I can choose to be around him or not... besides... it's very easy to just set up an auto delete filter on his name if you feel his choice of colorful language is too much for you... Collin (just playing devil's advocate and stirring the pot a bit) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 01:38:39 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:37:53 EST Subject: MSF, endorsements, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The first time (more on that in a minute) I got my M class rating, the "Test" was this: DMV guy: "Ok, start the bike and make a left out of the parking lot. Make a left at the first stoplight and go down to the stopsign. Make another left there, and you'll come down the street behind us - pull into the lot there in the back". I did so. I guess since he saw me leave the parking lot on the bike, and didn't hear a large screeching or crashing noise between then and when I got back, I was fully qualified to ride a motorcycle. Oh... and me made me ride across the parking lot and stop with my front wheel in a box painted on the ground. Years later, I accidentally let my license expire. Tip of the day: Don't do this. I had to retake both the driving AND written tests... for car and motorcycle!! The car one... no problem. The bike one... LOL, I *failed* it. I had just gotten my new YZF600R, and for the life of me couldn't do the stupid test where the guy puts 4 little cones in a line, and you have come to a *complete* stop (without putting your feet down) at each one, then continue to the next and repeat. In all honesty... I dunno if I could do this on my Duc today if you asked me. The cones were about 8 feet apart in a sandy parking lot, and I couldn't get a straight answer form the guy on what qualified as a "complete stop" (i.e. how long you had to be motionless). As I was leaving, the DMV guy tried to impart some wisdom as to how important is was that I could perform that particular maneuver on the street. I asked him, "Um, when would I need to do that, exactly?". He kinda blinked and said, "Well, all the time". I then asked if he rode a bike... to which I got a blank stare. At any rate, my girlfriend wanted to learn how to ride, and I told her I'd take the MSF course with her instead of teaching her myself (I avoid teaching people). We both did, and I got my M class rating. I rode for about 3 months on an expired license... not smart if you get busted or have an accident, but I didn't :) I still have no idea why being able to come to a "complete stop" 4 times in a row next to two-inch tall orange cones inside 32 feet without putting your feet down is an important skill, but that's the big test these days. I guess if I can't do that... well, I just suck and obviously do not know how to ride a motorcycle (I'm not bitter). As for the current wait for the MSF course... in VA you can sign up WAY in advance. We got in the first weekend that was available that year, I think I signed up in Dec or Jan. It was miserable... cold and raining... but it was kinda fun going the rear-end lock-up thing in the rain... I got a good run and slid the hell out of that 250 :) As someone else already mentioned - you can just show up and hope someone who did get in doesn't show. It's a *very* common occurrence. There were 3 no-shows for our class. I think 5 people showed up as "walk-ins", so 2 of 'em had to go home... but the other 3 were happy as clams. (ANd this was a weekend class... prob easier during the week). Also... VA now (*finally*) has a motorcycle learner's permit. This has always killed me that in VA, you couldn't ride a motorcycle without a license, yet to get a license, you had to know how to ride a motorcycle. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-335 - Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 02:13:45 2000 From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:58:06 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF84B3.EB138280 I was a walk-in a few years ago (arrived a few hours ahead of time at = the Alex'a campus) and while I didn't make the immediate class I did do = it the following week and was very satisfied. Did *not* want to wait = the several weeks for a regular spot. =20 Germanna, near Fredericksburg, offers MSF courses -- don't know lead = time but seem to remember it was less than NVCC last time I checked -- http://www.gc.cc.va.us/ click on academics -- Course Schedules; click on = Non-credit Courses -- Spring 2000 Non-credit Course Schedule; click on = Transportation Programs. Courses held at Locust Grove campus. Fburg = 540 710 2000. LocGr 540 727 3000. Both MSF:RSS (beginner) and ERC = (experienced) courses. Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF84B3.EB138280
I was a walk-in a few years ago (arrived a few hours = ahead of=20 time at the Alex'a campus) and while I didn't make the immediate class I = did do=20 it the following week and was very satisfied.  Did *not* want to = wait the=20 several weeks for a regular spot. 
 
Germanna, near Fredericksburg, offers MSF courses -- = don't=20 know lead time but seem to remember it was less than NVCC last time I = checked=20 --
 
http://www.gc.cc.va.us/ click = on=20 academics -- Course Schedules; click on Non-credit Courses -- Spring = 2000=20 Non-credit Course Schedule; click on Transportation Programs.  = Courses held=20 at Locust Grove campus.  Fburg 540 710 2000.  LocGr 540 727=20 3000.  Both MSF:RSS (beginner) and ERC (experienced) = courses.
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750
Join the AMA.  Help protect my = riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF84B3.EB138280-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 06:24:21 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:23:33 EST Subject: Ken Woods or the List To: harry@XXXXXX ('harry@XXXXXX'), dc-cycles@XXXXXX ('DC Cycles') In a message dated 3/2/00 9:55:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, kwoods@XXXXXX writes: << Harry, PLEASE remove me >> Harry, Bill Gawthrop of Maryland here. I understand that you are running this list so please bear with me. A little background. Over the last three or four years I have watched four or five motorcycle lists evolve, mature and die and in each case, the death knell was an atmosphere generated by traffic like Ken's. This is the first time, however, the person involved said, "Take me off the list." This is his request and whether you honor it or not is up to you. If you do not, however, you can expect others to be driven off the list, and the list polarized and become off topic. That's the pattern of how lists die. Your choice. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 06:38:26 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:22:34 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Oh. My. God. To: Ken Woods , DC-Cycles Mailing List Standby is the best way to get in earlier than what is available on the list. It'll probably take a couple of weeks to get the standby figured out, but persistance usually pays off. In Maryland, checking frequently will also sometimes result in an earlier class, when a student who has signed up for a class takes it early as a standby, that slot then becomes available for another student. Sometimes in the mid-year classes we'll get students who signed up in March along with others who signed up less than two weeks earlier. I also agree with Garcia, Ken was indeed asking how to 'jump' the line. Above are two ways to do it legally. There are a couple of ways for instructors to pull strings and get students into a particular class, but this doesn't warrant anything that drastic. Leon. --- Ken Woods wrote: > > > So, I know some people that are interested in taking > the MSF class. > One quick phone call to the MC MVA and I find that > they are booked thru > late July. Registration opened on Monday. > They're expecting to be full (ie, no more openings > at all) by the end of > the week. > > That sucks ass. > > So, I go to learn2ride.com and call NVCC. The first > opening they have is > late June. > > I know we've got some instructors > here.............can any of you pull > some strings? > > I've bugged some chicks enough that they finally say > "Yes, I'll learn to > ride", and they've got to wait til the summer is > half over to do it? > grrr.... > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 07:08:23 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Alexandria Stand-by policy To: DC-Cycles As some people mentioned, the Alexandria NVCC MSF programs offers a stand-by policy for people trying to get into the class. (As far as I know Loudoun does not). In the past people would come in, write their name on the board, and it was first come first serve. The problem was people started to abuse this; they would come by around noon, write their name on the board, then go home and come back about 5:30. The new way of doing stand-bys is you have to wait outside the door, lined up to the right. When the first instructor arrives, he or she will then take names in the order people are in line. The usual question I get is "How many people get in?" And of course it varies. I've had several weekends where nobody made it in as a stand-by, and I've had a weekend where 6 people made it in. I would say the average is 2. Sometimes we tell one person they can stay through the class Friday night, and if someone doesn't show up on the range Saturday morning, they are in. I've only seen this work about 30% of the time, so it is a risk of time. Finally, if you are going to try to come in as a stand by, be prepared to pay for the course Friday night, or prove you are registered for a future course (registration form). Louis ===== Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA 1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 08:06:27 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:00:18 -0500 Subject: all apologies Content-Disposition: inline I have been told that my joke about the 6-foot cop went out 3 times yesterday. Very sorry, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 08:20:14 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:18:00 -0500 (EST) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: Danny Thompson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Superbike: was- Superbike 2000 by EA Sports Picked it up last weeked at CompUSA Gaithersburg for $20. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 08:59:06 2000 From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Seafoam Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:00:36 -0500 Hi folks, Well the spring is here but not in the step of my Seca. Thanks to the folks who helped with the distilled water question, and the battery seems to be holding a charge. Anyone know where I can get "Seafoam?" Guys on the XJ group who live in WI and MN really think highly of it. I want to do the chemical route of carb cleaning before I resort to pulling the rack. I live in Reston, Va. Thanks, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:03:49 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , , Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:05:54 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Personally I thought Kens message was the funniest damn thing on this list in a while. Do I think Ken is an a**hole? Of course! The funniest part about that message was his overreaction and the fact that I picture him pissed-off pounding it into his keyboard. No offense to anyone, but some days reading this list is a combination of Dear Heloise and a church newsletter. Sure, I've gotten some good advice and met some cool people etc. But a little controversy or shake up keeps things interesting. I try to avoid offending people with colorful language and such. But, nothing offends me more than a bunch of do-gooders attempting to stop all fun and interest from life. If you are offended by a message, delete it. The only messages that have offended me lately are the ones pushing to kick Ken off the list and all the religious crap. If you want a do-gooder religious biker list, count me out. I ride and subscribe for FUN. Come on people, laugh it off and press delete. Who knows, Ken may have just faded away if you ignored him. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:16:50 2000 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ryan Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:16:19 -0800 Sean and I went to visit Ryan last night at the Washington Hosipital Center (my hat's off to those of you who travel DC roads every day). Ryan is just about how you would expect someone to be after a bad crash - hurting and woozy from painkillers. He said that he was being drugged more than he wanted to be, I suggested perhaps not, and he allowed that I might be right. Anyhoo - general condition is pretty much as Collin wrote - broken collarbone and a pinned leg. He can move his toes on the left side, but still has partial loss of feeling in his left arm. It looks like he's going to be moved to another facility to start rehab in a week or so - no word on what facility yet. His mother is in town from Alaska, and is staying with a cousin (I believe) in Baltimore. He doesn't remember anything about the incident except waking up beside a big yellow box. He did say that he had wanted his first helicopter ride to be a fun experience, though. That's about all - I'll be dropping in again sometime this weekend - he's in the burn ward (?) and has a 2 visitor limit. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:30:42 2000 X-Originating-IP: [206.249.129.230] From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Salvage Title Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:30:09 EST Hey guys Anybody know how hard or easy or if it is at all possible to register a bike with a salvage title in Virginia. Thanks Altaan Choudhry NO BIKE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:34:04 2000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:31:31 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Michael Jay CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Seafoam Try a marine store. Boats suffer from not enough use, especailly when the water getas hard (ice). Storage and spring light off chems take up an entire gondola display at most marine stores. Bill Michael Jay wrote: > Hi folks, > > Well the spring is here but not in the step of my Seca. > > Thanks to the folks who helped with the distilled water question, and the > battery seems to be holding a charge. > > Anyone know where I can get "Seafoam?" > > Guys on the XJ group who live in WI and MN really think highly of it. > > I want to do the chemical route of carb cleaning before I resort to pulling > the rack. > > I live in Reston, Va. > > Thanks, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:47:59 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: MSF, endorsements, etc. Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:47:46 -0500 Uh oh... My license expired in January. Um... Do you think they still make you bother with retaking the tests and all that? What a royal pain in the ass. I guess I'll be sending the list an update on the current requirements soon. Chris '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:38 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: MSF, endorsements, etc. > > > Years later, I accidentally let my license expire. Tip of the day: Don't > do > this. I had to retake both the driving AND written tests... > - Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:52:00 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:58:39 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Any Weekend Rides? Just wondering if anyone's scheduled any weekend rides... Anyway, just what the hell IS the weather supposed to be this weekend? Seems like the weather men just can't get it right... - Jeannette L. Zell '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:52:53 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:52:14 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: Yeah Ken, stick around. We need to learn how normal people behave and communicate so we wont be so fucked up. > Hey, I've never met either one of you but my vote is > for Mark to shut up and leave well enough alone. > Don't let anyone run you off the list Ken. > > Glenn > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:53:17 2000 From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Peace be with you (RE: FW: Shut Ken Woods up!) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:54:41 -0500 >Personally I thought Kens message was the funniest damn thing on this list >in a while. And? >No offense to anyone, but some days reading this list is a combination of >Dear Heloise and a church newsletter. Sure, I've gotten some good advice >and met some cool people etc. But a little controversy or shake up keeps >things interesting. Contention and courtesy can go together. >I try to avoid offending people with colorful language and such. But, >nothing offends me more than a bunch of do-gooders attempting to stop all >fun and interest from life. If you are offended by a message, delete it. >The only messages that have offended me lately are the ones pushing to kick >Ken off the list and all the religious crap. The subject was behavior, not theology--you introduced religion. >If you want a do-gooder religious biker list, count me out. I ride and >subscribe for FUN. Come on people, laugh it off and press delete. Who >knows, Ken may have just faded away if you ignored him. We agree that ranting and raving solve little to nothing except perhaps to stir the emotional froth of the irrational--even the rationalist. What a great day for a ride, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 09:57:38 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:57:21 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Salvage Title Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Altaan Choudhry wrote: > Anybody know how hard or easy or if it is at all possible to register a > bike with a salvage title in Virginia. I have no idea. However, you may be able to get a clean title from Vermont. Their motor vehicles dept has a web site out there somewhere... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:13:28 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:12:51 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any Weekend Rides? The weather should be really nice on Sunday. Maybe we could all get together for a group hug and a ride ;-). On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > Just wondering if anyone's scheduled any weekend rides... > Anyway, just what the hell IS the weather supposed to be this weekend? > Seems like the weather men just can't get it right... > > - Jeannette L. Zell > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:20:18 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:18:19 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Any Weekend Rides? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I heard that the weather will be ride-able - 50s-60s - but if you don't want to ride but want to drop by the house and watch Dale replace tires, do valve adjustments, change the oil, etc. - let me know. :) Have fun riding. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:24:56 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:24:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! To: Ken Woods Cc: "'harry@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" --- Ken Woods wrote: > Good idea. > Take me off. > You people are fucked up. > I've gotten several feel good messages about how you > all meet each other > and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, > blah. > Fuck each and every one of you. Is this an offer? Produce that butthole then and give all of us a poke at it. > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I vote to remove him from the list. He is > constantly rude and belligerent. > > This is a community, not a public place (although > he wouldn't say those > > things in person I am sure). > > > > PS: The anonymous email address is not neccessary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:29:25 2000 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:28:03 -0500 Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! Content-Disposition: inline ROTFLMFAO!!! --- Ken Woods wrote: > Good idea. > Take me off. > You people are fucked up. > I've gotten several feel good messages about how you > all meet each other > and how this list is one big family...blah, blah, > blah. > Fuck each and every one of you. Is this an offer? Produce that butthole then and give all of us a poke at it. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:32:48 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Shut Ken Woods up! To: "Jay St. Peter" , kwoods@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > No offense to anyone, but some days reading this > list is a combination of > Dear Heloise and a church newsletter. Sure, I've > gotten some good advice > and met some cool people etc. But a little > controversy or shake up keeps > things interesting. > > I try to avoid offending people with colorful > language and such. But, > nothing offends me more than a bunch of do-gooders > attempting to stop all > fun and interest from life. If you are offended by > a message, delete it. > The only messages that have offended me lately are > the ones pushing to kick > Ken off the list and all the religious crap. > > If you want a do-gooder religious biker list, count > me out. I ride and > subscribe for FUN. Come on people, laugh it off and > press delete. Who > knows, Ken may have just faded away if you ignored > him. And I thought I was the only who felt this way, well besides Steve Beck!!! I know exactly what you are talking about. Some of the people on this list act like they never break laws or do ANYTHING wrong. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 10:35:15 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Horstman, Tracy L'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Any Weekend Rides? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:26:39 -0800 I'd love to drop by and watch Dale do those things - on my bikes! ;^) But I'm going to Cleveland... Perry -----Original Message----- From: Horstman, Tracy L [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 10:18 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Any Weekend Rides? I heard that the weather will be ride-able - 50s-60s - but if you don't want to ride but want to drop by the house and watch Dale replace tires, do valve adjustments, change the oil, etc. - let me know. :) Have fun riding. From dc-cycles-request Fri Mar 3 11:01:32 2000 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:01:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Salvage Title Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX I have worked with a company is the past called " tidewater title service" out of Hampton, VA. For $100. the can get you a fresh VA tile for a car or bike. As i remember, all you need to supply is the bill of sale, odometer reading, your address and a check for the $$. I got a new title for my FZR because it came with a salvage title form N.C. and the ownership trail was not complete. (I bought the bike from speedwerks in DE.- The frame (& title) was from a insurance co auction that they had deemed "totalled". Speedwerks used the frame ( which was fine- no damage from the wreck) and rebuilt the bike from scratch. It is also a good idea to get rid of the salvage title because it affects the value of the bike if you want to sell it. As I understand, no matter what condiditon the bike is in, if it has a salvage title