From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 07:06:09 1999 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 04:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: s s Subject: Re: MMMMmmmmm Baaaarbeque To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think Anita said that we took a shortcut or two as well. Thanks Anita, you are the Queen of organization, and a great Hostess! West-Bound, See Ya! Spence..... --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Thanks to Anita for hosting a yummy barbeque and a > very nice route > (now if I could only tell my east from my west.....) > Oh yeah, and next time, someone tell the leader that > we're supposed to > stop in Marshall BEFORE we're 35 miles past it ;-) > he he he > > Oh yeah, how many kilometers per hour were we > travelling while that > sherrif followed us all the way down snikersville > turnpike anyhow?? :) > > Collin > (who not so surprisingly anymore manages to always > get the fast group > there AFTER the slow group.. with a few extra miles > of course ;-)) > > === > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Avon Racing Tyres > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 07:40:45 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Metal crunching all over Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 04:40:28 -0700 I'm afraid I would have be shaking in my boots and wobbling home... ugh. Fear of being hit from behind plague me constantly now. :( Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > MY LANE and RUNS the very red light!!!! > I was shaking myhead all the way home. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 08:03:42 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: MMMMmmmmm Baaaarbeque Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:03:36 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [mailto:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Oh yeah, how many kilometers per hour were we travelling while that > sherrif followed us all the way down snikersville turnpike anyhow?? :) Donno... the speedo just has a few random numbers tossed on there - I couldn't make any sense of it.. I just watched the Tach... :) So, who's up for buying collin a COMPASS so we don't get so freeking turned around so much. Just think of all the good roads we could have hit for the mileage we used backtracking.. :P Or laps at Old Dominion too.. well, the quiet bikes at least.. Thanks much Anita.. was much fun, good food, and I'm tickled pink to have gotten out for a ride and DC-Cycles gathering again for the first time in a LOOOOOONG time. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 08:20:20 1999 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:16:51 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: FW: Shoei Duo-tec for sale To: DC-Cycles X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal FYI. Send replies to Don Feyma. For those who'd like the convenience of a flip lid (I have one of these and really like it), but don't want to pay a lot of money. T > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hsta@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-hsta@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Don Feyma > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 8:59 AM > To: Honda Sport Touring Association > Subject: Shoei Duo-tec for sale > > > Because it isn't red... > > Black Shoei Duo-Tec, used one season, clean, never down. > Size XL > $150 shipped to you in the cont. USA or Canada, shipping extra elsewhere. > > Best Regards, > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~ Don Feyma donfeyma@XXXXXX ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~ STOC #237, HSTA 7365 on ArreSTme ('96 ST1100) ~~~ > ~~ Keeper of The ST1100 LiST ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~ Ya, Let's Go Ride, you betcha! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 09:25:35 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Am I the only one.. Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 06:17:37 -0700 who looks at the clock in the morning, sees 9:16am... and thinks of a Ducati? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 09:29:21 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "McCoy Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:19:58 -0400 Subject: RE: MMMMmmmmm Baaaarbeque Content-Disposition: inline Yes, thank you Anita for the great hospitality, yummy food and the cutest dogs! : ) The ride was great, as well....sorry for riding on everyone's tails...the day before I'd ridden with Brian and Tom and if I didn't stay on their tails I would've lost them for sure! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 09:32:25 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: MMMMmmmmm Baaaarbeque Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 06:32:14 -0700 Suuuuurreee, now it's OUR fault that you were riding up peoples tailpipes! Perhaps you'd like to join the Other group next time to avoid riding so close to the person infront of you.. ;) Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX sorry for riding on everyone's > tails...the day > before I'd ridden with Brian and Tom and if I didn't stay on > their tails I > would've lost them for sure! LOL From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 09:37:24 1999 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Am I the only one.. On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > who looks at the clock in the morning, sees 9:16am... and thinks of a > Ducati? > I wake up in the morning, and I think... My ride's not a ducati. I ride to work, and I think... My ride's not a ducati. I eat lunch, and I think... My ride's not a ducati. I see a ducati broken down, and I think.. thank god My ride's not a ducati! Alex. P.S. I freaked this morning at 6:10 AM when I woke up to get into work AND THE SUN WAS OUT! Damn this summer weather! I had to check 3 clocks before I convinced myself I wasn't late. Some things were meant to be so, and darkness at 6 AM was one of them, damnit! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 09:43:21 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: "'dc'" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:34:46 -0400 Subject: Calling Tony... Content-Disposition: inline Sorry for the waste of bandwith, but, Tony, if you get this, write me back! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 10:19:22 1999 Errors-To: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:19:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thanks Anita Thanks for setting up the great ride and BBQ. I just wish we could do it again today! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 10:29:06 1999 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 10:23:59 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: jmoran@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shopping for a new scoot -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Sort of like telling the car dealer: "Either you eat the paint sealer/undercoating/fabric coating crap, or I'm taking a hike." Can't believe dealers still try to pull that scam. Joe >>> Randy and Julie Moran - 5/28/99 6:14 PM >>> I am certain that Coleman charges freight, having worked there (for about three months) as a salesman several years ago. The freight charge is pure profit for the dealership, and you should avoid paying it. Your ability to avoid paying it will, of course, depend on how badly the dealer wants to get rid of the particular bike. The best customers, or at least the ones who walked away with the best deals, were the ones who walked in knowing what they were willing to pay and then stuck to their guns until they got what they wanted. A good ballpark figure for a bike that is in reasonable demand is the MSRP plus tax and tags. Pay no processing, set-up, freight, appraisal, nor any other bulls#*t the dealer comes up with. Simply refuse to pay it. Oh, and one other thing...the Coleman salesman will usually quote a base price for the bike that is at least $200 above MSRP. Don't fall for it. Good Luck. Randy Moran Horkster wrote: > Tracy and I feel the strong urge to go deeper into > debt. Tonight we'll start looking for a 1999 Kawi > purple Concours for her! I know of two on dealer > floors in the area, Manassas Honda and Coleman Fairfax. > Anybody spotted new ones anywhere else in the area? > Successful leads will be rewarded with cold beverages > of your choice. :) > > Also, say if I buy one new in Maryland, how painful > is it to get it initially registered in Virginia? > I don't know if out-of-state dealer's do this sort > of thing... > > Any of you newer bike owners know off the top of your > head what dealer's typically charge for freight, and > prep charges? It'll probably vary by bike, but it > doesn't hurt to compare notes. I'll be looking up > the info from my purchase of BugSlayer I last year when > I get home, just curious about anybody else's experiences. > > I'll still have to add in tax and license fees, anything > else? I'm trying to get a better deal on this one.... > Help always appreciated. > > Dale (this new bike fever is pretty cool... :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 10:44:11 1999 From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thanks to Anita Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:43:40 -0400 I wanted to take my turn for a second and thank Anita for letting us all terrorize Daisy(?) for the afternoon while we filled up on grilled animal flesh. It was great! As for the ride, again, thanks Collin. We even had the pleasure or running around the Loudon "test" track. Gotta run . . . AT&T bills are calling . . . John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 11:15:28 1999 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:16:32 -0400 Subject: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap First off, thanks to everyone for the kind words... it was a lot of work putting the BBQ together (and cleaning my house!), but it was well worth it! :-) I just wish it hadn't been so darn hot yesterday! I think my neighbors just had to be impressed by the 28 or so bikes that showed up for the ride. As the fast group pulled out, I kept waiting for more bikes to follow.. then I realized that, for once, the medium pace group was bigger than the fast group! :-) I think the split was something like 16/12. It was easy to keep track of my group, though, since Snake and his wife were easy to spot as they rode in the sweep position. I didn't do a good job on the pre-ride brief as I forgot to mention the short section of dirt road we'd be riding on, and I neglected to tell Collin about the "planned" stop for gas in Marshall. Overall it was a great ride, even with the heat. I'll type up a route sheet since I didn't have copies for everyone yesterday. There seemed to be quite a few LEO's on the road.. part of the Memorial Day weekend crackdown apparently. We all made it through unscathed, though... I was especially glad when a motorcycle cop in Leesburg didn't seem to mind that I was doing 50 in a 35 (oops!). Maybe he was admiring out bikes! :-) Unfortunately we did have two mishaps, one in the fast group, and for the first time, one in the group I was leading. Both riders were able to ride their bikes home, thankfully. I'll let those guys tell their stories, if they want to. With the delays we didn't get back to my house until almost 3 pm, and the BBQ started immediately. There was lots of food, and everyone was really hungry (from what I could tell!). My dogs seemed to enjoy all the company, and were zonked out pretty early last night. Of course now they'll be expecting a party every weekend! :-) Overall I had a great time... this might even become an annual event! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 11:17:35 1999 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Carver, John M, BGM" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:18:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Thanks to Anita On 1 Jun 99, at 10:43, Carver, John M, BGM wrote: > I wanted to take my turn for a second and thank Anita for letting us all > terrorize Daisy(?) for the afternoon while we filled up on grilled animal > flesh. It was great! Don't worry... Daisy and Vicky got their revenge... apparently one (or both!) of them has learned the art of "counter surfing" and nabbed the remaining chocolate chip cookies! The day before it was a couple bites taken out of a pan of brownies! Guess I won't be leaving any food out at all anymore! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 12:06:54 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: something just for fun.......... (fwd) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:06:41 -0700 heh... this doesn't relate to anyone here... really (now where'd I put that NOS refill kit and the blower belt?) Brian You know you have too much horsepower when: 1. The emissions test guy starts laughing as soon as you pull onto the rollers. 2. Your significant other is afraid to ride on your bike 3. You are afraid to ride your bike 4. You spend more on tires than on food. 5. You spend more on bike insurance than on house payments. 6. You look in a state police car and see a picture of your bike taped to the dash. 7. You throw your underwear in the garbage rather than the hamper. 8. You have to go to the track to buy gas. 9. Your mechanic names the new wing of his shop after you. 10. You can make the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. 11. You're tempted to wear your leathers just to drive to the office. 12. Red signal lights shift to green as you're approaching then shift back to red as you're receding. 13. You arrive somewhere before you left. 14. You get pulled over for doing 155 in a 35 but the cops will let you go if they can ride your bike 15. You get an anonymous phone call asking if you are interested in being in the Cannonball Run. 16. Your face looks like you are riding a NASA centrifuge even with your helmet on. 17. You need parachute braking. 18. There is no possible way to sneak out of your neighborhood at 6AM. 19. Your pets scramble for their hiding spots as soon as the garage door is opened. 20. Your neighbors scramble for their hiding spots as soon as the garage door is opened. 21. Family photos throughout the house are replace with life-sized posters of your bike 22. Fuel is delivered to your home in 55 gallon drums. 23. You carry earplugs at all times 24. The only spot on the bike which receives any regular cleaning is the windscreen. 35. You find out that side mirrors don't hold up at speeds exceeding 175mph And my personal favorite: You know you have too much horsepower when you can out accelerate a 2 stroke! John Aylor NM From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 12:19:06 1999 From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: FS by original owner - garage kept '90 EX500, 17K miles - $ 800 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:18:14 -0400 Here's a good one...=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Andrew Culpepper [SMTP:biga@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 12:17 PM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: FS by original owner - garage kept '90 EX500, 17K miles - > $800 >=20 > FS by original owner - garage kept '90 EX500, 17K miles - $800 >=20 > Hi, > The bike has been sitting for 8 years. The tank now has stuff > growing in > it and I'm sure the carbs need a thorough cleaning. It has been down = once > in soft ground when I ran off the road in a construction area. = Shortly > after replacing the damaged parts on the right side, it rolled off = the > kickstand and fell on the left side in the back yard). The only part > missing now is the dash panel. =20 >=20 > It had been running fine until all of a sudden, it started riding > like a > single and the left header was beginning to get discolored. I've = only > ridden about 10 miles with the bike in this condition, trying to = figure > out > what was wrong. I feared a sticking or damaged exhaust valve but the > dealer suspects a clogged carburetor jet. I'd like to just get rid = of it > and concentrate on fixing up my '85 GPz 550. =20 >=20 > It has never had any engine work done except valve adjustments. > I've > always used Mobil 15w50 in it. >=20 > I may help with delivery in the D.C. area. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Andrew >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > = =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4= =F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4 > J. Andrew Culpepper biga@XXXXXX KD4KLS > King George, VA Phone/Fax (540) 775-3984 > Work Phone (540) 653-8362 > =09 >=20 > To unsubscribe: EX500-request@XXXXXX > with: unsubscribe - in message body From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 12:41:33 1999 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:40:19 EDT Subject: Re: Am I the only one.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What's worse is looking at a clock that says 3:14 and think pi!! Ugh.... Robert "musta hit my head to hard..." VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 12:57:24 1999 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:54:24 EDT Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks again Anita! Great food, great drinks, great conversations, and cool dogs! What more could one want? Hey, and I even got to clean my bike and assess the damage when I got home (sarcasm mode ON). What can I say? After that little bit of dirt riding, I figured a dual-sport ride was in order! So, with the added persuasion of a little red car crowding the center of the road, I took my Shadow off-road and down an embankment after a turn. Bummer that the trees stopped me from going into that swamp! On a more serious note, I replaced my helmet today with a new Shoei RF-800. And overall damage to the bike is very minimal. I'll get a new tank after I do some research into converting a larger tank for use on the Shadow. Hopefully Baltimore Cycle Salvage has a shifter, and I'll bend the footpeg bracket back into position at work. No other damage noted! :) I had a great time, and really appreciate all the help I got after I wrecked. Had I been riding alone, my bike would probably still be there! Hopefully I've filled my quota for accidents now (had a small fender bender in my car last month). Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 13:43:49 1999 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FS: 1986 Kawasaki Concours Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:39:53 -0700 All, I have acquired a "new" 1992 Kawasaki Concours. As a result, I need to sell my 1986 Concours. Some specifics: Asking $2,400.00/obo Color is "Pearl Cosmic Grey" 997cc 16-valve 4 cylinder 42,500 miles New Metzler radials installed in March (at Art Crow's shop) Just had full tune-up, including Valve adjust and Carb Sync (at CAD in G'burg) Rifle Fairing & 15" shield Storz handlebar conversion with Daytona Touring bars Corbin Dual Canyon seat, with backrest, re-upholstered 1.5 years ago with "Saddlegel" pad added to drivers portion Tank half-bra Right side of bike was damaged in a get-off 2.5 years (and about 16,000 miles) ago - all plastic bits replaced. Frame has been checked for true, by Computrak, and is OK. Tank has small dent near where the fairing crosses it. Newer model (pebble finish) bags have replaced the originals. Original left bag (in good condition) and right bag (in bad condition) are available. While the bike may not be in perfect cosmetic condition, it is in very good condition, overall. I am the third owner of the bike. The first owner made most of the customizations, the second owner let the bike sit in a barn and (other than the mishap mentioned above) I have tried to keep the bike up. In the process I have ridden the bike for over 21,000 trouble-free miles the last three years. I asked Chris (the mechanic at CAD) what he thought after he tuned it and he said it's running great. I agree... ;^) Seriously, though, the bike is in excellent mechanical condition. The bike is a wonderful sport-touring motorcycle that is also superb for commuting in this area. I routinely commuted from Gaithersburg to downtown DC on the bike with no problems, except maybe getting hot (me, not the bike) in stop and go summer afternoon traffic. If you've made it this far and are still interested, you can see more about the bike (including some pix) at my website: http://www.coleman-services.net/concours If you want to contact me, you can respond to this e-mail address, which is my work and I check throughout the day, or you can respond to my personal e-mail, perry@XXXXXX, which I check in the evenings. Or, you can do it the old-fashioned way and call my home # 301-840-1345, my mobile phone # 202-262-9696 or my office at 301-947-7180. Regards, Perry From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 14:00:27 1999 X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:57:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Track days, safety wiring, etc. Hmmmm. I think it was Loudon Motorsports (?) that was holding a track day at Summit Point in June or July. I seem to have lost the info on that...does anyone have the phone number to call / cost / other stuff pertaining to it? On that note, I'll need to safety wire my oil drain plug. Any recommendations on where to order from / what to buy would be appreciated. To anyone that has done this before, what are the chances I can do this without having to drain my oil (ie, drill and wire with the bolt in place...) ? Thanks in advance, Brad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 14:16:28 1999 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Track days, safety wiring, etc. To: Brad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Brad wrote: > Hmmmm. I think it was Loudon Motorsports (?) that was holding a track > day > at Summit Point in June or July. I seem to have lost the info on > that...does anyone have the phone number to call / cost / other stuff > pertaining to it? > It's June 17th and the cost is $115 pre-registration I believe and $125 at the gate (+ - $5...don't have info handy). They're in the book (Loudoun Motorsports) > On that note, I'll need to safety wire my oil drain plug. Any > recommendations on where to order from / what to buy would be > appreciated. > Don't buy anything.. see one of your user friendly racers: Brian McCoy, Me, Joe Nagy, Steve Harris, David Cross, etc. etc. It's not worth buying a whole can of safety wire and pliers just to do the drain plug...It's a 5 minute job.... You *might* be able to do it without draining the oil depending on where it's at on the bottom of the bike and access to it, but it's a heck of a lot easier with it off... Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Avon Racing Tyres _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 14:20:06 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Track days, safety wiring, etc. Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:19:15 -0700 Order.. buy?? huh? If you're just doing the min. required for the track day, bring your bike over and I'll have it done in 20 min (AFTER the bike cools enough that I can touch the beast!). Hrm.. standard payment of beer is accepted (cash, why would I accept something like that?) I might substitute for pizza though... ;) If you want to own the bits and pieces, I suspect Robert VanSliyke (SP!! I know.. I'm bad with names) can point you in a good direction as it's directly related to aviation (A small set of pliers, and some medium gauge wire). Then it's just a 1/32 or 1/16th drill bit and hole away from being ready for wire. You CAN drill the drain-plug with it in the bike... but it's a pain in the arse... best bet is to drain the oil into a CLEAN drain pan, then put it back into the engine. Anyway.. same offer goes to anyone who's interested.. Race-bike prep am I - no toll free number, no hidden sur-charges, no shipping fees, no fine print... bring only quality (i.e. NOT a macro-brewed) beer - show up with less, and I'll find something else to do (hrm.. that nail looks tight.. I think I'll pull it out, and re nail it in...) Brian (blessed with a SIMPLE name) McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 14:31:26 1999 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:33:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Non-Moto: Wheels for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sorry for yet another non moto spam attempt.. but the moving is almost over ;-) I have a set of four "Superior" (or was that superier??) brand aluminum wheels. They are 15 x 6.5 inch and in pretty good condition. I've been carrying them around for several years now after I un-riceboyed an older VW Rabbit I had a few years back... You can see a crappy pic of them on the car at: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ratchet.jpg They are a 4 bolt pattern, and as mentioned above, they came off an 81 Rabbit....I can measure the distance between bolts this evening if anyone is interested.... I'm entertaining any decent offer...don't see me owning a car again any time soon.... Collin (703) 492-4042 any time this evening... === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Avon Racing Tyres _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 14:39:23 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:37:32 EDT Subject: Throttle Assembly To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anybody have a two cable throttle assembly (no switches etc.) just a throttle assembly for a racebike available? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 14:47:39 1999 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:46:50 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Track days, safety wiring, etc. To: "'dc'" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Well damn, since you're offering, you can safety wire my bike anytime! Just let me know what malted beverage you prefer....heh heh Jon > Order.. buy?? huh? If you're just doing the min. required for the track > day, bring your bike over and I'll have it done in 20 min (AFTER the bike > cools enough that I can touch the beast!). Hrm.. standard payment of beer > is accepted (cash, why would I accept something like that?) I might > substitute for pizza though... ;) > > If you want to own the bits and pieces, I suspect Robert VanSliyke (SP!! I > know.. I'm bad with names) can point you in a good direction as it's > directly related to aviation (A small set of pliers, and some medium gauge > wire). Then it's just a 1/32 or 1/16th drill bit and hole away from being > ready for wire. > > You CAN drill the drain-plug with it in the bike... but it's a pain in the > arse... best bet is to drain the oil into a CLEAN drain pan, then put it > back into the engine. > > Anyway.. same offer goes to anyone who's interested.. Race-bike prep am I - > no toll free number, no hidden sur-charges, no shipping fees, no fine > print... bring only quality (i.e. NOT a macro-brewed) beer - show up with > less, and I'll find something else to do (hrm.. that nail looks tight.. I > think I'll pull it out, and re nail it in...) > > > Brian (blessed with a SIMPLE name) McCoy > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 14:52:26 1999 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Paging Danny Thompson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Danny, your last email to me wouldn't open up...(dang web based email...) but I know what you wanted to discuss... Give me a shout at the office...(I'll be in and out..) at (202) 366-0067 or (800) 986 9678 x60067 Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Avon Racing Tyres _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 14:53:59 1999 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:48:14 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Track days, safety wiring, etc. To: Brad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >From Matt: Summit Point has *finally* executed the contract agreement with Loudoun Motorsports. So, at long last, track day tickets are now on sale for the track day on Wednesday, June 17th. Ticket prices are now $115 and will be $125 if you choose to buy them at the gate on the 17th. Again, requirements: safety wire oil drain plug, replace coolant with distilled water, tape/remove lights, speedo, any glass, etc., proper riding attire (leathers, 2 pair jeans, kevlar, etc.) Please call Scott at Loudoun Motorsports at 703-777-1652 for any additonal info. > > Hmmmm. I think it was Loudon Motorsports (?) that was holding a track day > at Summit Point in June or July. I seem to have lost the info on > that...does anyone have the phone number to call / cost / other stuff > pertaining to it? > > On that note, I'll need to safety wire my oil drain plug. Any > recommendations on where to order from / what to buy would be appreciated. > > To anyone that has done this before, what are the chances I can do this > without having to drain my oil (ie, drill and wire with the bolt in > place...) ? > > Thanks in advance, > > Brad > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 15:52:04 1999 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:47:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX Subject: Non-Moto: Wheels for sale -Reply Content-Disposition: inline .don't see me owning a car again any time soon.... Collin You planning on buyin a snowmo when you get to Michigan? ;-) Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 17:48:41 1999 From: djones@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: thunderacelist@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:46:01 -0400 Subject: Uncontrollable Thoughts.... Okay, since returning from Myrtle Beach, how come I'm having thoughts about selling my YZF1000R & buying an R1??? I guess it was inevitable, but I love my TA. What, what am I saying? Gulp.......Oh no Anyone interested? DJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 18:03:24 1999 From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Great Ride,Great Food,Great Company Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:06:47 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Thanks to Anita for the hospitality on Monday. I had a great time (except I ate to much!). It was great meeting more riders from the list. See ya all soon. Brian N. 96 Yamaha FZR600 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 18:10:23 1999 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:14:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Uncontrollable Thoughts.... To: djones@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Why??? What with the R1 do for you on the street that your TA can't do as well or better.... the R1 costs a lot more, is less comfortable, is probably more expensive to insure, etc. etc. etc. Or are you planning on racing it?? The only thing you'll gain is pose factor, but at the cost of a whole lot of other more desirable features IMNHO... Collin --- djones@XXXXXX wrote: > Okay, since returning from Myrtle Beach, how come I'm having thoughts > about > selling my YZF1000R & buying an R1??? > === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Avon Racing Tyres _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 18:12:45 1999 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:11:44 EDT Subject: One Lap (short version) To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gmars@XXXXXX, , nomad98@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX 1. The idea was to ride completely around the State of WV. Three very diverse machines made the trek. Nancy and I were on our 750 Night Hawk,Keith on an Ultra Classic Electra Glide, and Zbig on his CBR XX. 2. Almost all the roads were fun, well paved and very crooked. Special mention should go the following : 1. Un-numbered on the map but runs from Morefield south to Sugar Grove . Specail because it follows the South Branch of the Potomac. 2. West of Princeton , 161 from Elkorn west to War and then 83 and 80 to Iaeger. You should have seen the smile on Keith's face when he finished horsing that big Harley around. Don't believe the mags, you can have great fun in the twistys on a big cruiser. Up north, the nominee is 7 from New Martinsville to Morgantown. 50 from Aurora across to Romney was surprisingly light traffic and of course is a classic. Lots of bikes headed west returning from Rolling Thunder. 3. Roads that didn't turn out as well include: 152 from near Crum to Huntington because of fairly heavy cager traffic moving at a reduced pace. 2,62,33,68 and 2again between Huntington and Parkersburg were not much as roads, the scenery was nice since they run along the Ohio River. 4. We saw no law enforcement officers until we were running north on the western side of state along the river. Odd, but I guess most of them were on the slabs. 5.We stayed in motels. Only one of which deserves special mention, because it had reserved moto parking up front near the office, the Ramda at exit 176 in Parkersburg. Bob McKeithen (feel free to forward to those who might be interested) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 19:31:40 1999 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 99 19:25:59 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/01/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, thanks Anita for setting things up. My first Dc cycle ride, won't be the last if i stay in the area. Had fun, though didn't meet as many people as I would have liked, but I had to take off and couldn't stick around for the bbq. I was on the 91 VFR in the slow group, VA plate RUASQD. Very restful ride, roads aren't nearly as deceptive as they were in OH where I've been riding-I kept expecting blind turns over the hills, and they weren't there. Not a complaint, just an observation. Also none of the decreasing radius turns that OH road guys love. Definately makes things easier. Did about 200 miles total Monday, and definately need a new jacket-the HG Summit is too damn hot. maybe one of those Honda Perf jackets that look so nice. Or the vanson. keep the right side up, Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 6/1/99 HSTA/AMA 7:25:59 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 20:28:01 1999 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:28:41 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Annual BBQ?!? Weekly! Anita, thanks for the great food, company, and ride. I don't think annual is often enough. Looking forward to seeing the completed Lauro casa. If you do as well inside as you did outside, it'll be Taj Mahal Sterling. I talked to Dave (fast group casualty) today - he's feeling better than I expected, but good would be stretching it a bit. Sore shoulder and a few other bumps. Good thing - if he'd really gotten hurt, I'd have had to kick his butt. Later, Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 1 22:33:55 1999 From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:32:16 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/01/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi all Usually silent but wanted to send thanks to a few. Anita, great ride, thanks alot, I enjoyed it all immensly, especially finding Rob to be in working condition. A few people in the afternoon fast group, thanks for not running me over! Collin, (& crew) thanks for the lessons, especially when I first joined the afternoon fast group, I recall thinking, "well, I know it is physically possible to do this cuz they are, so I guess I had just better push harder on the handgrip." I approached my limit a few times that afternoon, but I liked it. Urselandra(sp?) thanks for leaving me that extra inch or two to manuver! heheheh! Hope that my rich running left side didnt give you a buz! And thanks for the starting tips, (Brian? and Urselandra) which reminds me, thanks to ALL for not trying to fix my bikes hard starting problem! We appreciated the space and faith! Sorry for the starter drone. Nice to get better aquainted with some of you, though many of you are much more into bikes than I, I enjoy the runs, the conversation, and the people all the same! Mostly, thanks to all for a good time and for being good folks. Oh yea, good to see you again Snake, was surprised to find you in this group! -Jim zx11 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 08:21:18 1999 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:13:03 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: For Sale : 90 EX 500 Racebike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 1990 EX 500 - Progressive Springs, fork brace, full floating rotor, braided lines, EX250 bars, ZX7 seat, ZX7 rear cowling, Works Peformance shock, rearsets, K&N pods, Muzzy exhaust. Totally ready to race. Comes with spare set of wheels, mounted with fresh K591's, and spare motor. Misc extras stock fairings, speedometer, carbs, calipers ect.) I have been racing it and having a blast. $2200. Jbroga@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 10:48:49 1999 From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:43:02 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Third Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Poker Run begins and ends at Leesburg Police Department 65 Plaza Street N.E., Leesburg, Virginia Saturday, June 5, 1999 REGISTRATION AND START.- 9AM - 11AM at Leesburg Police Department 9:30 AM - Police Escort Leaves (Ride with us!) LAST BIKE OUT AT 11:00 A.M. LAST BIKE IN AT 3:00 P.M. COST: $10.00 per hand (additional hands may be purchased for $10.00) Includes poker hand, breakfast, lunch, and 1 door prize ticket. (Additional door prizes may be purchased for $1). Leesburg Restaurant will be providing a complimentary bikers breakfast. Hog Wild Ribs will be providing a complimentary lunch of Barbecue Chicken. Prizes: Best Poker Hand: Deluxe Room for 2 Lansdowne Resort Dinner for 2 Riverside Hearth 2nd Best: 27" Magnavox Stereo T.V. Leesburg Wal-Mart 3rd Best: Sanyo 4 Head VCR Leesburg Wal-Mart Door Prizes: $100.00 Gift Certificate - Winchester Harley-Davidson $70.00 Gift Certificate - Tuscarora Mill at Leesburg $50.00 Gift Certificate - Whitt's Harley-Davidson Sales, Inc. $30.00 Gift Certificate - Del Rio Mexican Restaurant $30.00 Gift Certificate - Southstreet Under $30.00 Gift Certificate - Shooters Cafe' $30.00 Gift Certificate - Shooters Cafe' $25.00 Gift Certificate - Apple Bee's (Leesburg) $25.00 Gift Certificate - Ruby Tuesdays (Leesburg) $25.00 Gift Certificate - Tractor Supply Company (Leesburg) $20.00 Gift Certificate - Don Pablo Mexican Restaurant $20.00 Gift Certificate - Don Pablo Mexican Restaurant Skil Cordless Drill - J.T. Hirst Company Dinner For Two - Bella Luna Restaurant Sunday Brunch for Two - Green Tree Restaurant Free Motorcycle Battery - Battery Warehouse (Leesburg) 2 Art Prints - Dick Kramer Studios Lube, Oil, Filter, Front End Alignment - Catoctin Automotive Lube, Oil, Filter - Merchants Tire (Leesburg) Lube, Oil, Filter - Midas Muffler (Leesburg) Lube, Oil, Filter - Tire Shop 10 Free Passes to Ida Lee Recreation Center Question??? Call OFC. Bill Wolff or OFF. Mark McCartney at Leesburg Police Dept. 703/771-4503 RAIN OR SHINE WE RIDE! COME SHARE THE DAY! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 11:11:11 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Bruce Norton" cc: "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:01:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Content-Disposition: inline Thomas & I are considering going on this...anyone else thinking of going? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Bruce Norton" on 06/02/99 10:43:02 AM To: "DC Cycles" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Third Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Poker Run begins and ends at Leesburg Police Department 65 Plaza Street N.E., Leesburg, Virginia Saturday, June 5, 1999 REGISTRATION AND START.- 9AM - 11AM at Leesburg Police Department 9:30 AM - Police Escort Leaves (Ride with us!) LAST BIKE OUT AT 11:00 A.M. LAST BIKE IN AT 3:00 P.M. COST: $10.00 per hand (additional hands may be purchased for $10.00) Includes poker hand, breakfast, lunch, and 1 door prize ticket. (Additional door prizes may be purchased for $1). Leesburg Restaurant will be providing a complimentary bikers breakfast. Hog Wild Ribs will be providing a complimentary lunch of Barbecue Chicken. Question??? Call OFC. Bill Wolff or OFF. Mark McCartney at Leesburg Police Dept. 703/771-4503 RAIN OR SHINE WE RIDE! COME SHARE THE DAY! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 12:12:59 1999 Errors-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:12:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles ftp server question? Can anyone tell me how to create a directory on the ftp server? I've tried using mkdir and it says it's an unknown command even though it's listed under help. I'm trying to upload the pictures that I took at the Crowbar block party since the DC Area Riders section of Yahoo is now full. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 12:19:51 1999 Errors-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:18:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics I'm considering it. After all I can always use a little more good Karma. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Thomas & I are considering going on this...anyone else thinking of going? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > "Bruce Norton" on 06/02/99 10:43:02 AM > > > To: "DC Cycles" > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics > > > > > > Third Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics > > Poker Run begins and ends at Leesburg Police Department > 65 Plaza Street N.E., Leesburg, Virginia > Saturday, June 5, 1999 > > REGISTRATION AND START.- > 9AM - 11AM at Leesburg Police Department > 9:30 AM - Police Escort Leaves (Ride with us!) > LAST BIKE OUT AT 11:00 A.M. LAST BIKE IN AT 3:00 P.M. > > COST: $10.00 per hand (additional hands may be purchased for $10.00) > Includes poker hand, breakfast, lunch, and 1 door prize ticket. > (Additional door prizes may be purchased for $1). > > Leesburg Restaurant will be providing a complimentary bikers breakfast. > Hog Wild Ribs will be providing a complimentary lunch of Barbecue Chicken. > > Question??? Call OFC. Bill Wolff or OFF. Mark McCartney at > Leesburg Police Dept. 703/771-4503 > > RAIN OR SHINE WE RIDE! COME SHARE THE DAY! > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 12:19:53 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics To: DC-Cycles --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > Thomas & I are considering going on this...anyone else thinking of going? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 If I were not teaching this weekend, I'd be there (especially now that the girl I'm dating is getting hooked on riding). I went on this run before, and it was fun. They picked fairly good roads, and there are a lot of happy bikers there. The year I went, they had free hamburgers cooked on site by the folks at Lone Star, with all the toppings and soda too. That alone was worth the price! They also gave out lots of door prizes (I got 2 tickets to DC United). Louis _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 12:28:47 1999 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:25:15 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bnorton@XXXXXX, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Thinking about it. kind of a haul, so I'd prob be starting "later." Joe 85 900 Ninja >>> - 6/2/99 11:01 AM >>> Thomas & I are considering going on this...anyone else thinking of going? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Bruce Norton" on 06/02/99 10:43:02 AM To: "DC Cycles" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Third Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Poker Run begins and ends at Leesburg Police Department 65 Plaza Street N.E., Leesburg, Virginia Saturday, June 5, 1999 REGISTRATION AND START.- 9AM - 11AM at Leesburg Police Department 9:30 AM - Police Escort Leaves (Ride with us!) LAST BIKE OUT AT 11:00 A.M. LAST BIKE IN AT 3:00 P.M. COST: $10.00 per hand (additional hands may be purchased for $10.00) Includes poker hand, breakfast, lunch, and 1 door prize ticket. (Additional door prizes may be purchased for $1). Leesburg Restaurant will be providing a complimentary bikers breakfast. Hog Wild Ribs will be providing a complimentary lunch of Barbecue Chicken. Question??? Call OFC. Bill Wolff or OFF. Mark McCartney at Leesburg Police Dept. 703/771-4503 RAIN OR SHINE WE RIDE! COME SHARE THE DAY! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 12:31:15 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:30:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: More dirt riding, 6/6 Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative This time we'll be just south of Clinton, MD next to Rt 5. It will be another afternoon ride (say, 2:00pm or so). Let me know if you're interested in coming and I'll give more details. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 12:36:29 1999 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:35:25 -0400 To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: dc-cycles ftp server question? As the ftp server operator, I would be happy to help..... ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles Just create a directory on your Windoze desktop, name it whatever you want, then drag and drop that folder into the dc-cycles directory. Netscape will do ftp uploads, or you can use command line ftp or a nice GUI like the one in the /pub directory (same ftp server). MT At 12:12 PM 6/2/99 , Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > > Can anyone tell me how to create a directory on >the ftp server? I've tried using mkdir and it says it's >an unknown command even though it's listed under help. >I'm trying to upload the pictures that I took at the >Crowbar block party since the DC Area Riders section of >Yahoo is now full. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 12:42:33 1999 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:41:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics At 12:21 PM 6/2/99 , Louis F. Caplan wrote: >--- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: >> Thomas & I are considering going on this...anyone else thinking of going? I'll be there. ZMan is trying to fix his bike in time. If he gets it done, we'll both be there + one more (San Diego transplant with a year old Ninja....) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 12:49:02 1999 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:43:32 -0400 From: "Mullins John" Organization: BAH To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics If the weather is nice that day I will probably be there. - John Mullins 95 Ninja EX500 Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > > I'm considering it. After all I can always use > a little more good Karma. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > Thomas & I are considering going on this...anyone else thinking of going? > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 12:51:39 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:50:55 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles ftp server question? To: Turnip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX hey how was the party?? I wanted to go but my parents and grandmother were visiting for the weekend and it wasn't really their cup o' tea ..... oh well next year I guess :D Marcy In a message dated 6/2/99 12:19:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Turnip@XXXXXX writes: << Crowbar block party >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 12:59:52 1999 From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Third Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:55:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Third Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special = Olympics=20 I did it two years ago, it was earlier in the year, and cold, and damp, = but fun nonetheless. Looking forward to doing it again. I expect to be = there to leave at 9:30. Hope to see some of you. Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 13:00:55 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:01:58 -0400 To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: dc-cycles ftp server question? Make sure you're in the incoming directory... otherwise, you don't have the access permissions to make a directory. I tried it out, and it works fine. Try this... 1)ftp ftp.wheatintl.com 2)cd incoming/dc-cycles 3)mkdir test - the directory should get created - type ls and see if it's there 4)rm test - this will get rid of the test directory 5)mkdir "your directory" 6)cd "your directory" - then use put to place whatever file you want in that dir. If you're using Windows or NT... go to www.shareware.com and search for a program called CuteFTP... it's a graphical FTP program that makes life much easier than using character based ftp. At 12:12 PM 6/2/99 -0400, Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to create a directory on >the ftp server? I've tried using mkdir and it says it's >an unknown command even though it's listed under help. >I'm trying to upload the pictures that I took at the >Crowbar block party since the DC Area Riders section of >Yahoo is now full. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://ussales/granth From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 13:06:15 1999 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:05:08 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics To: DC Cycles Dale and I can't go - we're attending his brother's wedding. If anyone does go though, please send me a copy of the routes used. I'll be putting together a poker run to benefit Girl Scouts later this summer/early fall. It's going to go from girl scout camp to girl scout camp in Virginia (There's on in Stafford, Oakton & Leesburg) so I'm looking for any routes and/or suggestions you may have. This will benefit my Daisy troop (kindergarten girls). Usually Girl Scouts earn their money through cookie sales but Daisies are allowed to sale cookies. :( So I have to find other ways to raise money. Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 13:16:38 1999 Errors-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:16:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles ftp server question? I enjoyed it. Judging by the number of people leaving early my guess is that a lot of people where probably dissappointed. Lots of funky Harleys and funkier Harley chicks. Now if I could only post those darn pictures! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > hey how was the party?? > I wanted to go but my parents and grandmother were visiting for the weekend > and it wasn't really their cup o' tea ..... oh well next year I guess :D > > Marcy > > In a message dated 6/2/99 12:19:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Turnip@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Crowbar block party >> > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 13:21:03 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:22:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics It's supposed to be another beautiful day, and if as many people are going as it sounds, then it might be fun, so count me in. Where to meet??? At 12:43 PM 6/2/99 -0400, Mullins John wrote: >If the weather is nice that day I will probably be there. > >- John Mullins >95 Ninja EX500 > > >Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > > > > I'm considering it. After all I can always use > > a little more good Karma. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas & I are considering going on this...anyone else thinking of going? > > > > > > - Jeannette > > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://ussales/granth From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 13:31:46 1999 Errors-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:31:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Crowbar bloc party pictures With a little help from my friends I was finally able to upload my pictures from the Crowbar block party. If you're interested you can see them at ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/crowbar/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 13:34:33 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:33:20 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: cog@XXXXXX Subject: FWD: LDRider: Spring Sale Just forwarding this along, if anyone is interested. Contact Berti, not me. See ya. Dale (the Horkster) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Levy, Berti" Reply-To: "Levy, Berti" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:24:01 -0700 > Five years later, my closets are overfilled with bike paraphenalia that I don't use and never really did for very long. Time to clean 'em out. --Airhawk Seat Cushion - $125 --Shoei RF700 Medium/Black (scratched but never dropped or crashed) - $75 --Gerbing Heated Jacket Liner (XSmall) - $125 --Gerbing Heated Socks - $40 --Gerbing Heated Gloves (Medium) - $85 --Ventura Bike Pack 44L Bag (still in plastic) - $75 --Uniden BCT-12 Beartracker/w/weather alert- $125 --Eclipse Rear Seat Pack - $25 --Spartan Magnetic Tank Bag (fairly small/non-expandable) - $30 --Hein Gericke Leather Jacket (don't know model name) has snap out thin liner/front and rear dual zipper vents-$150 --Corbin Backrest Black/w pouch - $75 --Bagster Alpha Tankbag (black) does NOT include tank bra - $85 --BMW K11LT/GS Top Box Liner - $50 --ST1100 HELI-BAR black/some scratches on front of up/down adjuster - $150 That covers it, feel free to pass along the shopping list to anyone who might be interested (lists, etc.) I'll split shipping in the lower 48. Thanks for the bandwidth. Berti Levy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 13:48:48 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:50:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: "'dc'" Subject: DC Parking . . . again So I've finally gotten on the treadmill of every-day worker life, and am now contemplating my parking situation. I know we've seen various veins of this go through the list but in summary here is the situation: * DC has changed the motorcycle meters from none to 12 hrs to 4 hrs. I'm at work for 9 hours, falling between the 7am-6:30pm range posted on the meters. This would mean I would have to run down three blocks to the World Bank twice during the day to feed the meter. No thanks to that one. * It has been suggested that one walk around to the various parking garages and find out if they will let you park behind a pillar. I tried this. Most said no. Some said yes, but at full car prices. No thank you, again. * Parking on the street, between cars. I have an old bike (CX500) so no big security risk for me. On the other hand, we still have that as of yet unresolved ticketing issue to deal with, i.e. how strict, etc. Ideas? Any suggestions are welcomed! Allbests, Erik ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 14:03:47 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:03:19 -0400 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC Parking . . . again At 01:50 PM 6/2/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >* DC has changed the motorcycle meters from none to 12 hrs to 4 hrs. I'm >at work for 9 hours, falling between the 7am-6:30pm range posted on the >meters. This would mean I would have to run down three blocks to the >World Bank twice during the day to feed the meter. No thanks to that one. That's not bad, for DC. >* Parking on the street, between cars. I have an old bike (CX500) so no >big security risk for me. On the other hand, we still have that as of yet >unresolved ticketing issue to deal with, i.e. how strict, etc. Ideas? I met one guy who always parked right at the meter, figuring the cars on each side of him would keep the meters fed - he said he only got about one ticket a month ($15/month for parking is a good deal). Parking at the end of the block where the space is too long for a car is a good place to go, but you have to pay car meter prices. Experimenting, most likely will cost only the $15 ticket - enforcement is highly variable around town. Me, I'd keep looking for a parking garage, and use m/c parking spaces until then. good luck, Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 14:07:30 1999 Errors-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:07:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: How to become a Motorcycle Roadracer Saw this on the KZ/GPz/ZR list and thought I would pass it along. http://www.io.com/~duke/newrrfaq.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 14:14:59 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:05:29 -0400 Subject: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I thought I'd relate a conversation I had with a Harley "enthusiast" at the Rolling Thunder procession on Sunday. While sitting on a wall along Constitution Ave. waiting for the line of bikes to come by, I started talking to the guy seated next to me. He was a scrawny looking guy in his early twenties. He mentioned that he owned three Harleys and that he would have ridden down to the Mall on his Sporster but the clutch burned out that morning. His other two bikes were apparently in pieces for some reason or another. He only had a couple of bucks and was a bit worried that he wouldn't be able to afford a return Metro ticket and lunch as well. When I mentioned to him that I rode down on the Honda VTR sitting in front of us, he snorted and told me I "should get a REAL bike." He then went on to say that when he decided to buy a bike he was either going to buy a Harley or no bike at all and that only "chumps" ride bikes like mine. I felt like saying that I only own ONE bike, and it not only runs but performs better than his and doesn't send me to the poorhouse. I didn't, mostly because I figured that there was no way I was going to change his mind after his twenty-some years of Harley indoctrination and that starting trouble with this guy wouldn't solve anything. His attitude bugged me not only because he was insulting, but that he felt no comradery with bikers of other makes. His was the typical attitude of those Harley riders that refuse to wave to riders of other bikes. It seems that having that sort of attitude is like shooting oneself in the foot in these days when all bikers need to stick together. I thought going to this event would be fun and I could see some interesting bikes and meet some people. I left the Mall before the bikes rode through, however, feeling very unwelcome. I wouldn't have been suprised if most of the other riders in the crowd felt similarly to this punk. I won't be attending any mostly-Harley events in the future if this is the quality of person found there. Chris Weaver 98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 14:34:24 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:29:32 -0700 Funny, that mimics, almost exactly, every experience I've had with 'spectators' in the crowds attending itmes that are typically Harledy only (Sturgis being the most notable). What's sad, is that the attitude isn't brand related either.. it's just attitude. Tom and Jeannette Zell and I were headed out 66 on Sunday afternoon.. they on Honda VFRs me on a Duc.. there's an older Honda Goldwing hanging out in the left lane... just putting along (ok, he was doing 60~65). I pull into the next lane, and slowly move up next to him, and turn to look and wave... this guy, and his barely clothed Female passanger, just watched straight ahead. I sped up for a sec, then dropped back, again looking to wave... nothing. Come on people... 2 wheels, what's the difference what kind of engine's in the frame? Well Chris.. perhaps you and I should just go out and enjoy a ride next time something like this is in the area... more worth the time (and you'll go home that evening with a smile instead of frustrated.) Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 14:39:37 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:39:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder At 02:05 PM 6/2/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > He mentioned that he owned three >Harleys and that he would have ridden down to the Mall on his Sporster but >the clutch burned out that morning. His other two bikes were apparently in >pieces for some reason or another. He only had a couple of bucks and was a >bit worried that he wouldn't be able to afford a return Metro ticket and >lunch as well. When I mentioned to him that I rode down on the Honda VTR >sitting in front of us, he snorted and told me I "should get a REAL bike." >He then went on to say that when he decided to buy a bike he was either >going to buy a Harley or no bike at all and that only "chumps" ride bikes >like mine. So three bikes that don't run are better than one bike that does run. Okay. There's lots of snobs in the world, and you just met one of them. There are a bunch of them in the Harley world (who else regularly puts window stickers and bumperstickers on their cages to advertise what they're NOT riding?). But there's snobs everywhere, on most very bike brand ... at the most I just respond that I wouldn't think any more of telling THEM what to ride than they should tell ME what to ride. Just another dinosaur brain, ignore it. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 14:48:23 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I thought I'd relate a conversation I had with a Harley "enthusiast" at the > Rolling Thunder procession on Sunday. I've met two types of Harley enthusiasts in my travels. The first was my friend's cousin who was like the person you described. "If you aren't riding a Harley, you aren't riding a motorcycle" (using more vulger terms too) "If I see your bike, I'll drop a match in your gas tank" type of guy. Basically full of hostility and hot air. Needless to say, I didn't see much of him, and didn't really mind. The other type are like a couple that I have taught the MSF class with several times. They both ride Harleys and have said they are only interested in riding Harleys. However, they have admired other bikes, and say it's not what you ride, it's that you ride. They laughed when I described some of the Harley comments we have had before on DC-Cycles (like the guy who said women would drive up and tell him how wet the motorcycle made them) They even invited me on a HOG poker run. I have to admit I was a bit nervous, but I showed up on my Honda Nighthawk-S. I didn't get one snide comment, and even had one person come up and say he was sorry he sold his Nighthawk-S. The HOG group was a real pleasure to ride with. So yes, there are some snotty Harley folks out there, but there are also some very friendly ones out there too. Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours Capitol 1000 #21 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 15:10:15 1999 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:06:21 -0700 Chris, This attitude (that it's Harley or nothing) is something I just ran into with a guy I'm working with these days. First off, this guy is professional as hell and I really respect his expertise in the field. Then we start talking about bikes. He tells me that he used to have a late model Low Rider Convertible. We exchanged some road stories and what-not. Then he tells me that he and his wife are at some event and they test ride a Road King. Well, they love the Road King. It's the cats-meow. etc. etc. Personally, I think his wife was a lot more comfortable on the Road King back seat than on that Low Rider seat, but there may be more to it than just that. Anyway, he "trades" in his Low Rider to GET ON A WAITING LIST for the Road King. That's right, he'd rather ride nothing for the next year or three while he's waiting for this "dream" bike. I think the look on my face completely flabbergasted him as the topic shifted away from bikes thereafter... He's never given me any attitude about my choice of ride, which is good because I'd really have to let him have it if he did. As much as I like and respect this guy, I don't see how he could EVER be considered a "biker." He may not be a "poseur" but he's not a true "biker." I may not ride a Harley, but I RIDE - and that makes me a biker. And I don't care what someone else rides, either. If someone really rides, then they're a biker (and I'll wave at them!) If not, they're just a poseur (or maybe a squid...) ;^) Life's too short. Ride, baby, ride! Perry 1986 Kawasaki Concours (For Sale) 1992 Kawasaki Concours > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 2:05 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder > > I thought I'd relate a conversation I had with a Harley "enthusiast" at > the > Rolling Thunder procession on Sunday. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 15:11:42 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:11:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris, I rode in my third Rolling Thunder this past Sunday. While I'm not really into the "parade" scene as I prefer to ride instead, I was convinced by my buddy to ride in with him and was glad I did. The crowd was huge, with lots to look at ;~). My experience at RT XII was different than in the past two rides; this was the first time I felt welcome/accepted by the Harley crowd. Not only were they checking out my Magna and glad to talk to me regarding their rides, but they were checking out other Jap cruiser bikes as well. Even the Sports bikes were represented and somewhat accepted. My .02 worth/experience. Herb >I left the Mall before the bikes rode through, > however, feeling very unwelcome. I wouldn't have been suprised if most of > the other riders in the crowd felt similarly to this punk. I won't be > attending any mostly-Harley events in the future if this is the quality of > person found there. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 15:14:41 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:14:55 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, nighthawk700@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Louis wrote: > So yes, there are some snotty Harley folks out there, but there are > also some very friendly ones out there too. Big ditto to this. I've been snubbed by Harley folks, I've been snubbed by squids, I was even snubbed by the guy I sold my old LTD to. The world has more than it's share of a-holes. Ignore them. All bikes are cool. Without fail, I've enjoyed the company of everybody I've met who also felt this way. Life is too short to deal with brand-snobs. Ride on! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 15:23:43 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:22:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder At 03:06 PM 6/2/99 , Coleman, Perry wrote: > Anyway, he >"trades" in his Low Rider to GET ON A WAITING LIST for the Road King. That's >right, he'd rather ride nothing for the next year or three while he's >waiting for this "dream" bike. I think the look on my face completely >flabbergasted him as the topic shifted away from bikes thereafter... ... > >As much as I like and respect this guy, I don't see how he could EVER be >considered a "biker." He may not be a "poseur" but he's not a true "biker." At the AMA museum some time ago, I saw this kind of person referred to as a "lifestyle biker" and I thought that was a fairly good term for it. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 15:27:45 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:19:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Chris, As with all things in life, you meet a jerk in every crowd ... I would say to give it another chance, as I have had positive experiences in all aspects of motorcycling, including Harley's and Rolling Thunder. Unfortunately I have also met people similar to what you describe that rode HD, BMW *and* Honda. I've also met people biased against sportbikes or goldwings. Please try not to let one a** ruin your opinion of thousands of more easy-going dedicated riders. Later, chris From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/99 06:05:29 PM GMT Subject: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder --snip-- I thought going to this event would be fun and I could see some interesting bikes and meet some people. I left the Mall before the bikes rode through, however, feeling very unwelcome. I wouldn't have been suprised if most of the other riders in the crowd felt similarly to this punk. I won't be attending any mostly-Harley events in the future if this is the quality of person found there. Chris Weaver 98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 15:46:30 1999 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:42:47 -0700 Chris, "Lifestyle biker," huh? Hmmm...I thought I was a lifestyle biker. I mean, if I didn't have to work, I'd spend my entire life riding my bike. Riding bikes, reading about bikes, talking about bikes, looking at bikes, tweaking bikes, sitting on bikes, well - you get the idea - that's my idea of a the "biker lifestyle." Or, am I missing something? Perry > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 3:23 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder > > At 03:06 PM 6/2/99 , Coleman, Perry wrote: > > Anyway, he > >"trades" in his Low Rider to GET ON A WAITING LIST for the Road King. > That's > >right, he'd rather ride nothing for the next year or three while he's > >waiting for this "dream" bike. I think the look on my face completely > >flabbergasted him as the topic shifted away from bikes thereafter... ... > > > >As much as I like and respect this guy, I don't see how he could EVER be > >considered a "biker." He may not be a "poseur" but he's not a true > "biker." > > > At the AMA museum some time ago, I saw this kind of person referred to as > a > "lifestyle biker" and I thought that was a fairly good term for it. > > > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, Virginia > 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 15:46:50 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:47:09 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Chris Meier wrote: > I've also met people biased against sportbikes or > goldwings. I admit that I'm biased against chain-driven bikes, does that make me an evil person? :) Dale (if it ain't a shaftie it ain't sh*t???) :) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 15:52:12 1999 From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:51:29 EDT Subject: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I myself have met a Harley Dude and Dudets with major attitudes. And I have only one reply that fits. what did the farmer say when the mule kicked him? consider the source! D. Walker 98 Royal Star Bluice101@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 15:53:09 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:53:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder On my Western Adventure, coming out of Yellowstone and into Grand Teton, I had pulled offf the road for a butt and photo break. A guy on a sportster pulls up and stops next to me. He's dressed in Harley biker garb. He looks somewhat unsavory. He pulls out a cigarette and walks over to me and we have a very nice 15-20 minutes converstaion about biking through the nat'l parks. There's all kinds of folks out there on all kinds of bikes. Don't judge them all buy one poor representation. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Chris, > > As with all things in life, you meet a jerk in every crowd ... > > I would say to give it another chance, as I have had positive experiences > in all aspects of motorcycling, including Harley's and Rolling Thunder. > Unfortunately I have also met people similar to what you describe that rode > HD, BMW *and* Honda. I've also met people biased against sportbikes or > goldwings. Please try not to let one a** ruin your opinion of thousands of > more easy-going dedicated riders. > > Later, > chris > > > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > Date: 06/02/99 06:05:29 PM GMT > Subject: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder > > > > > --snip-- > I thought going to this event would be fun and I could see some interesting > bikes and meet some people. I left the Mall before the bikes rode through, > however, feeling very unwelcome. I wouldn't have been suprised if most of > the other riders in the crowd felt similarly to this punk. I won't be > attending any mostly-Harley events in the future if this is the quality of > person found there. > > Chris Weaver > 98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:01:16 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:57:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: Horkster Cc: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yeah, and I'm biased against 1986 technology! :-) Take that! --chris To: Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@C&L US, Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@C&L US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Horkster Date: 06/02/99 07:47:09 PM GMT Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Chris Meier wrote: > I've also met people biased against sportbikes or > goldwings. I admit that I'm biased against chain-driven bikes, does that make me an evil person? :) Dale (if it ain't a shaftie it ain't sh*t???) :) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:05:05 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:02:41 -0700 >When I mentioned to him that I rode down on the Honda VTR >sitting in front of us, he snorted and told me I "should get a >REAL bike." > >He then went on to say that when he decided to buy a bike he >was either going to buy a Harley or no bike at all and that >only "chumps" ride bikes like mine. I have an ace in the hole at Rolling Thunder - I just mention that I was in 'Nam from '65 - '66 and ask when he/she was there. They tend to quiet right down ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:05:57 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:57:34 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 03:47 PM 6/2/99 , Horkster wrote: >I admit that I'm biased against chain-driven bikes, >does that make me an evil person? :) > >Dale (if it ain't a shaftie it ain't sh*t???) :) So if it IS a shaftie it IS sh*t? ha ha ha! gotcha! owner of one shaftie and two chain-bikes, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:05:59 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:05:38 -0400 To: "Coleman, Perry" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder At 03:42 PM 6/2/99 , Coleman, Perry wrote: >"Lifestyle biker," huh? > >Hmmm...I thought I was a lifestyle biker. I mean, if I didn't have to work, >I'd spend my entire life riding my bike. Riding bikes, reading about bikes, >talking about bikes, looking at bikes, tweaking bikes, sitting on bikes, >well - you get the idea - that's my idea of a the "biker lifestyle." Or, am >I missing something? >Perry Perry, Perry, Perry, A lifestyle biker wears multiple items of clothing with either the bike brand on them, or with some hostile statement. Like on the back of a t-shirt, "If you can read this then the bitch fell off." Preferably the clothes make opposite statements to what can be observed - such as the "I ain't no fair-weather biker" shirt I observed on a fellow getting out of a car one cold day. A lifestyle biker talks incessantly about riding and about bikes, particularly why he didn't ride that day, again. A lifestyle biker is especially critical of people who actually ride. A lifestyle biker shows his independence by dressing just like all the other bikers who are showing their independence. Maybe a "lifestyle biker" is like a tourist, and a real biker is like a traveller. "Lifestyle", in 90's-speak, sounds like something you don and doff as instructed by fashion writers. We need a better term for someone who actually rides. :-) Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:08:36 1999 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:05:37 EDT Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris, Bummer about running into such a jerk. I once wanted a Harley, but couldn't afford one when I got my first bike (a Honda). I got the attitude from a guy just as you did and turned sour as well. It is a waste of time to argue with them. BUT, I have found that if you ride with a group, they tend to leave you alone. Last year I rode in RT with my old Nighthawk and felt very welcome to be there. In fact, I was asked to join a group riding down to the Pentagon by a guy on a Harley. This year, I rode with a group from the Shadowriders list. We didn't hear anything negative at all, and in fact had some very nice conversations while we waited in the Pentagon parking lot. I once thought that most Harley riders had bad attitudes towards other makes, but I've found that to be the exception to the rule. It seems to be the RUBs and non-riders that have the worst attitudes. BTW, I've also encountered similar attitudes from BMW riders, and I'm sure it doesn't stop there. I think if you had joined in the ride you would have found a very very different attitude among the riders. Just my $.01 Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:09:30 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: first aid kits Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:04:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Angie picked up some first aid kits at http://www.drugstore.com for 1 cent each. Three kits, plus S&H added up to $2.98. Unfortunately, they don't pack a whole lot. A fair size of self adhesive bandages, a little bit of gauze, some Neosporin type ointment, benzylkonium chloride, and alcohol pads. Also some OTC cold medicine, Bayer, and some ibuprofen. About 10 tablets of each. Other than more gauze pads of different sizes, what should I pick up to augment the kit? Finger splints? (or at least some large tongue depressors). BTW, for the price, the case is kinda nice. About 10" x 5" x 2" nylon. Seems waterproof (or at least water resistant). For a penny, that's not too bad. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:19:29 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: RE: dc-cycles ftp server question? Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:04:09 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Email the pic to me. I can post it on my website, and put it on DC Cycles-Yahoo as a link as opposed to a picture itself (for that matter, I'm going to remove a few pics and do the same). I've got a 10 meg limit, so that should take at least a few jpeg's. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:19:30 1999 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Leesburg Police Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:04:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Angie and I are thinking about it. She's wanted to go on some sort of poker run since last year. And since is supports Special Olympics... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > Thomas & I are considering going on this...anyone else thinking of going? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:19:32 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "Grant Heffernan" , "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: RE: dc-cycles ftp server question? Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:04:11 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 On some systems, step four might be "rmdir test" instead of "rm test". ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > 3)mkdir test > - the directory should get created > - type ls and see if it's there > 4)rm test > - this will get rid of the test directory > 5)mkdir "your directory" > 6)cd "your directory" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:19:34 1999 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:11:53 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sure, I've met some folks like this, but most HD riders I've run across have been friendly people, and fairly laid back. I must say I've met as many rude people on sportbikes (mostly of the inline four variety). Always in a hurry to get somewhere. There mind always on the future, always looking towards the horizon. Never thinking about where they are; what they are doing. A jedi craves not... Sorry. Watched TESB last night:) But seriously, I've ridden a Wing, and felt out of place in Marysville because it wasn't a sparkling GL1500. What's the point? There are pricks all over the place. There are also lots of decent folks. The same sort of stereotyping that some of us do (i.e., stinking, leaking, rubbie HD riding poseur) is just as damaging to the cruiser/sport/touring relationship as is their opinion (i.e., stupid rice-rocket, made in Japan, Power Ranger outfit, butt above your head riding position, racer-rep wannabe). Just chalk it up to the fact that you met an asshole who happens to claim to own a few Harleys. FWIW, if he didn't have subway fare, I doubt he had three HD's. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:20:04 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:14:44 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > There's lots of snobs in the world, and you just met one of them. There > are a bunch of them in the Harley world (who else regularly puts window > stickers and bumperstickers on their cages to advertise what they're NOT > riding?). I'm sure you've had this happen... My favorite thing is when one of these stickers is on an import car (or an import truck, especially those built by Ford, made by Mazda trucks:). When you get the opportunity to ask one of these folks "Why Harley?" the answer is inevitably "buy American." Yes, many of those cars and trucks are made in America. But so are Kawasaki's and Honda's. (Any Yam's or Suzuki's made in the States?) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:27:46 1999 From: "George Howell" To: , "Horkster" Cc: , Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:22:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Yeah, and I'm biased against 1986 technology! :-) Can't blame you: no ABS, no fuel injection, no seat warmers, no handgrips, no CD players... Definitely like riding in the dark ages. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:32:03 1999 X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:29:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder At 02:05 PM 6/2/99 -0400, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >I won't be attending any mostly-Harley events in the future if this is the quality of >person found there. Christopher, Without any intention of defending the Harley Jerk you met at RT, don't judge the other quarter of a million bikers by this one. I rode in Rolling Thunder for the first time on Sunday and my experience couldn't have been more different from yours. On the way to staging at the Pentagon, one of the ladies I was riding with had a radiator explode on her Japanese cruiser. It half melted and expelled the radiator plug 10 foot. The folks who immediately ran to assist were Harley riders. All around us once we were staged were Harley riders, laughing and joking around and including everyone in their party. At the very end of the Rolling Thunder ride several of us were completely baked and in the beginning stages of heat exhaustion. We pulled over and stumbled over to the shade of a tree where a Harley rider immediately found us some water and even checked back later to see if we were ok. There are always jerks out there, but they're the exception and they ride all sorts of bikes, just like the folks who aren't jerks. Give it a try next year! Dawn Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:37:28 1999 From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kirk Roy and/or Sean Sullivan Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:36:07 -0400 If either of you are interested in some FREE *used* D204s, contact me off list for more details. John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:44:38 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:37:24 -0400 Subject: I 95 Traffic Alert Office of Public Affairs - June 2, 1999 >From the Fairfax County Page at : http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/emergency.htm 3:15 p.m. Traffic Alert Due to an accident at I-95, 395 and the Beltway, parts of the Beltway are closed between South Van Dorn and Braddock Road and parts of I-95 and 395 are closed in the area where they intersect with the Beltway. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:58:57 1999 X-Originating-IP: [166.96.254.3] From: "manish gupta" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hello Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:58:22 EDT Just got back from longest ride (for me), went to Quebeck Canada, riding over 1300 miles. I've a sore wrist and butt, but so what I am more than satisfied with my bike and the trip. One question I have for all of you is (I think somebody might be able to help), in my apartment complex they have assigned motorcycle parking, but some cars always occupy these spots, forcing me to park somewhere else (Occupying space for a car in a lot). I requested management of complex but they showed there helplessness. I am outraged because couple of days ago when I went in the morning to drive I saw my bike down in the lot, when I examined closely somebody hit it from back in night (may be thinking that nothing is parked there or may be drunk) with his/her cage. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Regards Manish Gupta 1998 Suzuki Savage 650. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 16:59:43 1999 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:58:32 EDT Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/2/99 4:33:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Yeah, and I'm biased against 1986 technology! :-) >> Gee, does that mean you like everything before and after 1986? ;p Robert "the instigator" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 17:03:15 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:02:57 -0400 From: Dave Meyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap > Unfortunately we did have two mishaps, one in the fast group, and > for the first time, one in the group I was leading. Both riders were > able to ride their bikes home, thankfully. I'll let those guys tell their > stories, if they want to. My crash was pretty exciting. I went into a fairly tight curve too fast; braked hard and stood it up; went into front wheel skid; controlled it; ran out of pavement; lowside into ditch by side of road. All things considered, damage is amazingly slight. I have a sprained shoulder and thumb, but that's it (I would've been at the BBQ, but my shoulder was stiffening and I didn't want it to get so bad I couldn't ride home). The bike isn't much worse off: front left fairing plastic is cracked but probably repairable, shift lever is bent, speedo casing is broken, the turn signals are munged a bit but still functional, and there's some miscellaneous scratches and whatnot. I was very lucky. I'd like to thank the folks who stopped and hauled my bike out of the ditch and made sure I was OK. I hate to think where I would have been without you. Dave -- David M. Meyer meyer@XXXXXX 1997 Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 17:15:11 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:14:11 EDT Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I could be wrong but it seems to me that I remember several other dc-cycles rides involving crashes (usually minor) ... what's up with that? Be careful please! Marcy In a message dated 6/2/99 5:09:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dmeyer@XXXXXX writes: << My crash was pretty exciting. >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 17:18:17 1999 From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Four thoughts from a rookie Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:11:49 -0400 One perfect corner will keep you happy all day. A little counter-steering will go a long way. Keep your boots tucked in, it's better to scrape pegs than to lose shoe leather. Ear plugs make a hell of a difference. -Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 18:23:51 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder Well, I have an interesting view on the whole thing... I own both a Harley, and an import sportbike. There are now actually 3 major types of Harley riders: 1) Old school "If it ain't HD it ain't worth riding" types. At this point they *must* be blocking the fact that HD uses Japanese parts out of their mind to avoid having a complete mental colapse. These have an excuse for not waving... it's called ignorance. 2) RUBs, wanabes. They bought the Harley because that's a cool thing to own. They might even ride it evey once in a while to go to the local "hangout" where you park it and talk about Harleys. Actually putting miles on the thing is out of the question (Where would I ride to?). Reason for not waving? Terrified to remove one hand from the bars :) Followed by a misguided superiority complex. They THink that being a type1 is cool, and therefore never become a type3. 3) Normal riders who just happen to own a Harley for whatever reason. For me, it's nostolgia... I grew up around and on them, and love 'em. For others, it's just thier choice of bikes. For the most part, I don't run into too many Type1 HD owners anymore... the guys my Dad used to hang out with when I was a kid would definatly fit into that catagory. Type2 folks are avoided by everyone except other type2's... it's kinda sad. When I do run into them I make it a point to invite them on group rides (Which they can never make for some reason) and to mention I also own a sportbike (Which usually causes them to ask "Why do you have *2* bikes??") Type3's are great people. I met a lot of them last sunday, and had a great time. There were definatly a ton of type1s, and quite a few type2s (One of which dropped his brand new, custom pained FatBoy while trying to park. This was before the start of the ride ::shaking head:: Oh.. and BTW... Harley sells actual Levi jeans for $35 at my dealer... they're $50 at the mall. Call me crazy, I picked up a couple pair, Motor Company emblem and all :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 18:55:59 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:53:13 EDT Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/2/99 2:20:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: << I won't be attending any mostly-Harley events in the future if this is the quality of person found there. >> I think when someone asked about that particular ride I cautioned that it wouldn't be like a DC Cycles ride and that one should go with a US flag attached to the back of the bike. While some Harley riders are motorcyclists and friendly to other motorcyclists (one I know also owns a yellow Ducati :-), a great majority are idiots, can't ride a motorcycle and buy the things to be part of a group. On the other hand in the most recent issue of one of the national mags, it was pointed out that Harley's and cruisers are becoming the learner bikes of today (like dirt bikes were years ago) and that once some cruiser/harley riders ride a motorcycle designed for function rather than style, they buy them and learn to ride. So the point of the article was not to be to hard on the younger cruiser rider as he could very well learn to ride (badly unfortunately as a cruiser is setup all wrong for a sporting ride) on a cruiser and then buy a sport/sport tourer/generic bike once he understands the difference between a bike designed to be stylish and a bike designed to perform. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 19:07:38 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:05:49 EDT Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: ghowell@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/2/99 4:27:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << I must say I've met as many rude people on sportbikes (mostly of the inline four variety). Always in a hurry to get somewhere >> You know, most of the young kids I meet on sportbikes are actually quite the gentlemen. They generally ask questions, are willing to accept advice and are friendly. I guess the fact that I ride a 98-ZX-9R helps break the ice, but they are the same and even more curious when they meet me on my Norton. The last Harley group I crossed paths with removed a spark plug cap from my Norton and thought it was real funny when it only ran on one cylinder. I guess they were offended that it sounded better and was louder than their bikes (not to mention nearly 30 years old and faster) when I parked in Annapolis to go buy an ice-cream cone. And yes they were very drunk. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 19:50:07 1999 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:48:50 EDT Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX "The last Harley group I crossed paths with.... And yes they were very drunk." There are excpetions to every rule. Pointing fingers and making stereotypes only makes matters worse. We tend to remember the bad things, and forget the good. Just my $.01. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 20:26:08 1999 X-Originating-IP: [38.30.111.145] From: vfr 800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Febreze . . .FYI Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:25:57 PDT Hey all, I've been so busy at work that I actually, (gasp), haven't had time to post to the list from work very much. Anywho, I just wanted to let anyone who happens to be interested know, that Febreze, (the new-get-rid-o-smells product), does a pretty good job on stinky helmets. Although the ads seem to imply that it "removes" odors vs. covering them up, the max strength that I used leaves a light smell behind. It's not bad to me, but others may not like it. Just my $.02. John 98VFR _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 21:41:21 1999 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:47:35 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: dc-cycles Subject: HDs & RT Hey DC Guys & Gals, Just finished reading today's posts on RT and HD and actually read them all (D-mode here folks). Well, the "recency effect" seems to be operative for me, so I remember Brian Roach's post more than the others (Kids, Don't Smoke! ;). Nice typology Brian, I have to agree with you. (Nice Duc you have too - I saw it shiny side up a few days ago :) But one notion that seemed to be under the surface of many of the posts is that attitude is most important. Sure, you will meet an a**hole from time to time but if you treat people nicely they'll treat you nicely. (This differs of course if you're a woman and your radiator blows and there's guys around who love nothing more than an opportunity to be chivalrous ;) That was a guy-thing Dawn and not an HD-thang :) I noticed that on a ride I did last Sunday throughout VA/WVA I had to stop waving at all these HD riders - who waved first - 'cuz I needed to keep my hands on my bars (!) People are people and everyone likes to be liked. YMMV. JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 21:54:15 1999 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:52:08 EDT Subject: Disregard the Jerks... To: roach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX It's not what you ride... It's .. that .. you ride... Remember, better a brother on a (Honda/BMW/Ducati/Kawasaki/Schwinn) than a Jerk on a Harley. Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 22:15:13 1999 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:44:42 EDT Subject: Re: Febreze . . .FYI To: vfr800@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Let's see if I have this right.....someone want's to get rid of the smell of helmets???? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 22:31:26 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:33:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Hello To: manish gupta Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Get nasty with the management... they would if *YOU* were doing something wrong. If there is parking provisions in your lease, have that in hand when you talk to them. Remind them that they can issue warnings to the offenders, then have the offenders towed at their expense (or at least that's what leases usually have in them... As for the bike being damaged in the parking lot, turn it in to your insurance company and make sure they are fully aware of your parking situation... I'm sure they might consider going after the management for repair costs rather than coming out of their pocket.. that would also get the managements attention... You could always try some polite notes on the cages windows, but then you have to worry about idiots backlashing on you... Or better yet, see if the cops will ticket them for improperly parking... Good luck Collin --- manish gupta wrote: > One question I have for all of you is (I think somebody might be able > to > help), in my apartment complex they have assigned motorcycle parking, > but > some cars always occupy these spots, forcing me to park somewhere > else > (Occupying space for a car in a lot). I requested management of > complex but > they showed there helplessness. > === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Avon Racing Tyres _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 22:38:37 1999 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, when you have a very large group (175+ on dc-cycles) who are all in pretty constant communication, you hear about the oopses more often. And sometimes.. S*&t happens :( It is unfortunate, but that's the way it is... occasionally the oopses are from a rider getting a little overhis/her head, more often than not, what I've seen happen on DC-Cycles rides is falling over in parking lots, falling over at 180 degree 2mph hairpins, etc. The crashes at speed are much fewer and far between... But you're right... be careful out there... Collin --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > I could be wrong but it seems to me that I remember several other > dc-cycles > rides involving crashes (usually minor) ... what's up with that? Be > careful > please! === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Avon Racing Tyres _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 2 23:01:34 1999 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:51:29 EDT Subject: Parking Lot Issues To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Check with the local zoning and police agency. Some parking lots are actually county (city) jurisdiction (for example, riding without a helmet in a parking lot will get you a ticket...so why not a (parking) ticket?). If it's within their jusridiction, call the cops. If not, (please disregard the following advice...) trot your litt'le self to the auto shop, buy an air valve cap that has one of those little slots in the top to tighten or loosen the valve stem valve on a car tire and...... On the other hand, find out who the owner is, have a biker party and drop in on the owner. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 00:18:16 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "manish gupta" Cc: Subject: RE: Hello Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:13:00 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Get nasty with the management... they would if *YOU* were doing > something wrong. If there is parking provisions in your lease, have > that in hand when you talk to them. Remind them that they can issue > warnings to the offenders, then have the offenders towed at their > expense (or at least that's what leases usually have in them... Better idea: write them a letter citing specific sections and clauses in the lease. Once you have sent 2-3 letters with no response, you should stop paying your rent. Eventually, they will talk to you (probably through a lawyer) and your situation will be resolved... OR, they will try to evict you. At that point, you go before a judge, who will tell them to comply with the lease. Of course, you'll have to pay back rent, so make sure you saved it. > As for the bike being damaged in the parking lot, turn it in to your > insurance company and make sure they are fully aware of your parking > situation... I'm sure they might consider going after the management > for repair costs rather than coming out of their pocket.. that would > also get the management's attention... Might make as much sense to sue the apt. complex. Especially if you photograph the situation, and have those 2-3 letters I mentioned above. > You could always try some polite notes on the cages windows, but then > you have to worry about idiots backlashing on you... Real bad idea. I only started this when I had already sent my letter indicating notice to vacate. 30 days isn't much time to retaliate. And if you are moving, and they are staying, you can always get the last 'word' in;) > Or better yet, see if the cops will ticket them for improperly > parking... I wish... > Good luck Ditto. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 00:38:08 1999 From: Ne14Smack@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:37:55 EDT Subject: For Sale: '82 Honda Silverwing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX '82 Honda GL 500 Silverwing Low milage (around 8k) Good condition Forks just rebuilt at Fast Lane Fresh oil, coolant, and battery 2 tail trunks, and passenger seat Case guards $1250 Reply to Ne14smack@XXXXXX or call 703-450-1892 and ask for Thomas From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 00:46:59 1999 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:46:12 EDT Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX "I could be wrong but it seems to me that I remember several other dc-cycles rides involving crashes (usually minor) ... what's up with that? Be careful please!" It's hard to place blame for my accident. I take some for travelling a bit too fast for the road conditions. BUT, I would have been fine had the car coming the opposite direction not been crowding the center. There's a certain element of danger present no matter how careful we are. Keep the shiny side up! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 05:22:00 1999 From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "DC Cycles Mail List" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 05:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Subject: RE: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:53:13 EDT, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: ><< I won't be > attending any mostly-Harley events in the future if this is the quality of > person found there. >> > >I think when someone asked about that particular ride I cautioned that it >wouldn't be like a DC Cycles ride and that one should go with a US flag >attached to the back of the bike. Hey, I went on the last DC Cycles ride with two US Flags attached to the back of my bike. :) But then again, I am active duty army... >While some Harley riders are motorcyclists and friendly to other >motorcyclists (one I know also owns a yellow Ducati :-), a great majority are >idiots, can't ride a motorcycle and buy the things to be part of a group. On >the other hand in the most recent issue of one of the national mags, it was >pointed out that Harley's and cruisers are becoming the learner bikes of >today (like dirt bikes were years ago) and that once some cruiser/harley >riders ride a motorcycle designed for function rather than style, they buy >them and learn to ride. So the point of the article was not to be to hard on >the younger cruiser rider as he could very well learn to ride (badly >unfortunately as a cruiser is setup all wrong for a sporting ride) on a >cruiser and then buy a sport/sport tourer/generic bike once he understands >the difference between a bike designed to be stylish and a bike designed to >perform. I will fully admit that my old Suzuki GS will out handle my cruiser by a mile. But, I would hate to even have a nightmare about riding it 1,000 miles in a weekend. On the other hand, I road my cruiser on the DC Cycles run, and kept up. Even with my passenger. I like Harley's, but the only one I would own would be a Road King. It is a beautiful bike. I like my honda because it runs and is comfortable to ride two-up for long distances. I realize that it is not designed for sport riding, but the sport bikes are not designed for trips. Different Bikes - Different Purposes. And, I wave at everyone I see. Often times I won't wave on the beltway, because my full concentration is on avoiding all the idiots, and not on looking for oncoming bikes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen '97 Shadow ACE 1100 '78 Suzuki GS400 ABATE/MRF/AMA From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 05:22:01 1999 From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "DC Cycles Mail List" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 05:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Subject: Leesberg Police Poker Run On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:04:08 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Angie and I are thinking about it. She's wanted to go on some sort of poker >run since last year. And since is supports Special Olympics... Unfortunately, I will be working at the Maryland Special Olympics that weekend. I think that is more important, and it is a whole lot more fun.... ___________ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 07:52:26 1999 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: , Subject: Crowding the Center Line [was RE: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap] Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:57:35 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [mailto:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:46 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap > > It's hard to place blame for my accident. I take some for > travelling a bit > too fast for the road conditions. BUT, I would have been fine had the car > coming the opposite direction not been crowding the center. What is it lately with cars/trucks being all over the road? The last couple of group rides I've led I've wound up riding closer to the center of the road than I usually would, trying to "force" cars to stay on their own side of the road. Or at least get them to wake up a bit. Maybe they are playing chicken? :-) BTW, this is on straight parts of the roads, not curves... I do move to the outside on curves, at least until I can see the exit! :-) Just about the same time Robert was having his "crowding" problem I was avoiding a rather large truck taking a blind turn too wide. I think it looked like more of a "near miss" than it really was, as I had plenty of room to maneuver... but it did get my adrenaline up a bit! :-) Ride safe! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 09:14:30 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> cc: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:00:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Crowding the Center Line [was RE: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap] Content-Disposition: inline I know! In our neighborhood I see this all the time! It's like cagers are becoming even more lazy when driving! First, the red light runners, now the "Uh, which side should I drive on" people! Another of my pet peeves is the people who lane straddle. They can't decide which lane they want to be in (when 2 or more lanes are going in the same direction), so they straddle 2 lanes so no one can pass them. WHATEVER. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> on 06/03/99 07:57:35 AM To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Crowding the Center Line [was RE: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap] > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [mailto:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:46 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Memorial Day Ride/BBQ Recap > > It's hard to place blame for my accident. I take some for > travelling a bit > too fast for the road conditions. BUT, I would have been fine had the car > coming the opposite direction not been crowding the center. What is it lately with cars/trucks being all over the road? The last couple of group rides I've led I've wound up riding closer to the center of the road than I usually would, trying to "force" cars to stay on their own side of the road. Or at least get them to wake up a bit. Maybe they are playing chicken? :-) BTW, this is on straight parts of the roads, not curves... I do move to the outside on curves, at least until I can see the exit! :-) Just about the same time Robert was having his "crowding" problem I was avoiding a rather large truck taking a blind turn too wide. I think it looked like more of a "near miss" than it really was, as I had plenty of room to maneuver... but it did get my adrenaline up a bit! :-) Ride safe! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 09:29:55 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:25:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Although I ride a "sportbike" and enjoy spirited rides, what's wrong with riding in a "cruiser style"? Motorcycling comes in many forms, a small percentage of which is scraping pegs. I ride mostly to sport tour, but occasionally wick it up. Often I commute to work, ride to the store, or ride to visit friends, or play softball ... none of which involve peg scraping. Other times, I get out to the mountains and, well, you know ... My point? Well, I guess it is possible to have a long, safe, enjoyable MC career and never touch a peg, or get rid of your "chicken strips". It's not necessarily for me, but there is nothing wrong with those who choose to ride that way, and it doesn't mean they are not safe riders. It takes all kinds ... --chris To: Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@C&L US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/99 10:53:13 PM GMT Subject: Re: Harley Jerk at Rolling Thunder --snip-- So the point of the article was not to be to hard on the younger cruiser rider as he could very well learn to ride (badly unfortunately as a cruiser is setup all wrong for a sporting ride) on a cruiser and then buy a sport/sport tourer/generic bike once he understands the difference between a bike designed to be stylish and a bike designed to perform. Ciao, Fred ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 09:53:12 1999 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:49:58 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Hello To: manish gupta , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > One question I have for all of you is (I think somebody might be able to > help), in my apartment complex they have assigned motorcycle parking, but > some cars always occupy these spots, forcing me to park somewhere else > (Occupying space for a car in a lot). I requested management of > complex but > they showed there helplessness. > > I am outraged because couple of days ago when I went in the > morning to drive > I saw my bike down in the lot, when I examined closely somebody > hit it from > back in night (may be thinking that nothing is parked there or > may be drunk) > with his/her cage. > > Any suggestion would be appreciated. > > Regards > > Manish Gupta > 1998 Suzuki Savage 650. - Move. - Hammer Long nails into plywood strips and leave them around the moto-parking. - Move. Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 10:08:11 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:02:35 -0700 I had something similar... got so pissed I wrote (in chain-lube) 'THIS IS NOT A MOTORCYCLE' all over the windows of the car... I did that EVERY TIME I saw the car in the MC parking... about 5 times later (2 weeks or so) it was gone. Never saw the car (or a vehicle parking in the wrong space) again... then I moved. Personally, I like removing valve-stems and taping them to the window as anger/idiot managment.. but only if my vehicle isn't present to be vandalized (meaning I'll do that when I leave a place, not when I arrive). Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 10:41:12 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:38:16 -0400 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" From: Grant Heffernan Subject: RE: Hello Good idea, but only if yours isn't the only motorcycle around :) At 07:02 AM 6/3/99 -0700, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >I had something similar... got so pissed I wrote (in chain-lube) 'THIS IS >NOT A MOTORCYCLE' all over the windows of the car... I did that EVERY TIME >I saw the car in the MC parking... about 5 times later (2 weeks or so) it >was gone. Never saw the car (or a vehicle parking in the wrong space) >again... then I moved. > >Personally, I like removing valve-stems and taping them to the window as >anger/idiot managment.. but only if my vehicle isn't present to be >vandalized (meaning I'll do that when I leave a place, not when I arrive). > >Brian ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://ussales/granth From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 3 11:08:37 1999 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:08:08 -0400 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Punk Harley Rider At 08:34 AM 6/3/99 , you wrote: >Must be different in different places.... >I wave to every rider I see, Harley or not. >98 out of 100 Harley riders wave back to me. > >I live just outside Washington DC... > >Doug >98 VFR Doug - hope you are on the dc-cycles (www.dc-cycles.org) email list too. I live outside of DC as well. The whole Harley vs. Plastic Fantastic bikes (such as ours) fighting doesn't seem to be a big deal in our area. 2 wheels = 2 wheels. But if you are interested in seeing an example of it, I will direct you to two local Harley with attitude hangouts. Payne's Diner in Centreville, and the biker bar in Leesburg on main street. I can't remember the name of that one. I cruised by it one Sunday on my naked Nighthawk and I heard at least one person say 'goddamjapbike' as I rode past. Attitude is everywhere. I wave to everyone, screw them if they don't wanna wave back. I ride with Harleys - a neighbor and a co-worker. They are great guys. A little too wrapped up in the image and marketing of their rides, but they love all bikes. As we do. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '