From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 03:18:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16276; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA19999; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00727 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:36:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Saturday ride report Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:39:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Well it was a great ride on Saturday but I made it kinda boing for the first part which I guess is the norm for me. Anyhow, Curtis and Craig showed up at my house by 8:30 and not long after we headed to Rockville to pick up Tom Mersch. After picking up Tom we headed west on 28. I was trying to find a good road a maniac had shown me about a year ago, I failed and ended up going onto New Design Road which I have yet to hear the end of. After reaching basically Fredrick we headed towards Thurmont and hit the twisty roads in and arond the state and fed parks. We ended this leg of the ride at high rock which is a nice view of southern PA and a nice look towards western MD. We left here and had a less then average lunch at a pizza place named Rocky's. During lunch we looked at the map and decieded to head towards WV/VA area. Once I got Criag in the general area of Antietam he took us on some fabulous roads. Some of these roads I had been on and others I had been on but only for a very short distance. The best of which was a road between 7 and 50 that runs along a river. I believe the road was VA 606. Anyhow, it was a fantastic road, twisty and smooth. After getting to the end of 606 we deciede to play musical bikes. I took Criags TL and Criag took Curtis's 900RR. Curtis got stuck with my slug the little 500. We hit 50 and I soon learned what more then 110 HP is like. Damn, I was doing over 100 before I knew it! We then hit 601 otherwise known as mount weather. Nice weather station, I didn't realize weather needed so much barb wire ;-). I passsed Craig a few times over the 100 mark on 601 cause I figured he would want to hear and see his bike fly by. :-)))) After hitting 7 again, we hit the next road known as Snickersville turnpike. A bit bumpy (as I had remembered) but still beautiful and fiun. Again I was loving the extra hp! At the end of Snickersville, we stopped and took a break at I believe Aldie. After talking of what a great day we had we soon realized it was getting late. Craig claimed his bike again and I took Curtis's. Curtis was still stuck on my little bike. We headed east on 50 and turned left onto VA 860. I soon realized Tom was going way too slow for me and passed him. Criag and I had a liitle more fun before parting at VA 621. Craig and Tom went west and Curtis and I headed east. I soon saw that 621 is far too straght for a 900RR. That has got to be the best bike I have been on. I heard Craig talking how smooth it was but didn't realize it until I rode it myself. Anyway, Curtis and I headed back towards Annandale and had a chain lube event before the evening was over. A great day, so much so I don't know how many miles we even racked up. I now know one thing for sure, I need a better handling bike! Thanx again guys, I had a blast once again. Lets do it again soon. Oh, and I'm still waiting for that EX250 to beat Craig! Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 03:18:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16281; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20003; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00734 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'kwiedema@XXXXXX'" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:48:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Well this must have just changed in the past couple years... I got a speeding ticket near Muncy in 93 and it still not on my record. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Howdy folks. Some time ago someone posted to the list about PA speeding > tickets not transferring to your home state. I can confirm that this is > incorrect (I live in VA). I got a ticket back in early April...the VA DMV > just sent me a letter telling me I'm a bad person 'cause I was speeding in > Pennsylvania and it's now on my record. Blah. :( > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 07:05:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17641; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21041; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.170.15] [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02727 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8D2B.3DDBFF60@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:02:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:02:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 58 TEXT Dale, Lee Ann (offspring #1) and I left with everyone at Chantilly. It was a nice ride for the most part. Dale and I were bringing up the rear as usual. We didn't make it to Old Town with everyone else ~ nature was calling there by the Plantation so we stopped at the Exxon and answered. We were getting tired and so was the kid so we thought we'll go up the Parkway and hit 495 to 95 South from Alexandria. We had heard the ambulance from there but was hoping it wasn't anyone of us. We saw the scene ~ not much to look at. Dale and I thought it was two cars with the motorcycle just stopping to help. It looked like one of the Harleys ~ but I don't know my bikes that well. It was the bike with chrome around the hard saddle bags. I hope he/she was ok! We got home around 11pm ~ Lee Ann rode with Dale to Chantilly and then onto Exxon. She was wearing the 3/4 helmet I used to wear ~ she was upset she didn't have speakers like Dale and I. From the Exxon to home, I let her wear my full face with the speakers and she rode with me. Should have made here ride with Dale. We sit the same height on my bike and she fall asleep like the can with Dale. Had to keep waking her up because she kept laying her head against mine pushing it down. All in all ~ a nice slow ride but I'm just not that fond of riding with a group in the dark ~ you can't see that well. Tracy ---------- From: thetrick@XXXXXX[SMTP:thetrick@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 6:52 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride It was a very good turnout at yesterday's ride according to Alan: 27 bikes left Chantilly, 20 bikes left Old Town, and 8 in one group (plus some others elsewhere) assembled at ride's end at Reston Town Center (plus a punch-drunk Sean Jordan, reeling from a long Saturday on the job :o). Both the section through Clifton and Old Georgetown Pike were a blast to ride. It was a bit hectic finding parking in Old Town, but most people managed to squeeze into some spaces right on King Street. All in all, a very fun trip for me and most others. Unfortunately, there was a rather serious accident on the trip. A elderly couple turned in front of a rider on the section of the George Washington Parkway between Route 1 and Mt Vernon. He was taken to the hospital in an ambulance, but apparently could feel his extremities. There were witness so I think everything will be in order legally. My information is sketchy as I was ahead of him and wasn't able to talk to much with those who know more. Tom 1980 CX500D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 07:42:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17848; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21240; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03007 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:41:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain The problem is even bigger in scope than the local area. I live in MD, got two cage tickets in Arlington (I was maniacally boiling along at 37 in a 30 zone, 30 mph being the Arlington-think limit for a superhighway), and although they didn't show up on my MD record, they did show up in Equifax (yes, the national credit report shitheads decided they needed other areas in which to be shitheaded, so they'll track driving records from all over this great land of ours). I found out about Equifax via the friendly help of Progressive, who increased my rates. I'd like to find these people's inner children, and kick their little asses. Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 9:48 PM > To: 'kwiedema@XXXXXX'; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth > > Well this must have just changed in the past couple years... I got a > speeding ticket near Muncy in 93 and it still not on my record. > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > Howdy folks. Some time ago someone posted to the list about PA speeding > > tickets not transferring to your home state. I can confirm that this is > > incorrect (I live in VA). I got a ticket back in early April...the VA > DMV > > just sent me a letter telling me I'm a bad person 'cause I was speeding > in > > Pennsylvania and it's now on my record. Blah. :( > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 08:03:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17963; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21381; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03215 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday ride report Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain It was the quintessential ride. An initial straight road to warm up the tires, mountain twists and elevation changes, we almost caught some fresh-air bumpy-nasty'ers at High Rock (hope they took pictures), lunch at a CAMS trough, Harpers Ferry Road Chestnut Hill 9 606 601 S'ville Tpk,.....give me a cigarette. Craig, if you want to try a ZX-6R or a K-1200RS on a ride, let me know and I'll drive your TL-1000 for you. Just keep an eye on me at every opportunity to bolt. Tom Mersch merscht@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 10:39 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Saturday ride report > > Well it was a great ride on Saturday but I made it kinda boing for the > first > part which I guess is the norm for me. Anyhow, Curtis and Craig showed up > at my house by 8:30 and not long after we headed to Rockville to pick up > Tom > Mersch. After picking up Tom we headed west on 28. > > I was trying to find a good road a maniac had shown me about a year ago, > I > failed and ended up going onto New Design Road which I have yet to hear > the > end of. After reaching basically Fredrick we headed towards Thurmont and > hit the twisty roads in and arond the state and fed parks. We ended this > leg of the ride at high rock which is a nice view of southern PA and a > nice > look towards western MD. We left here and had a less then average lunch > at > a pizza place named Rocky's. > > During lunch we looked at the map and decieded to head towards WV/VA area. > Once I got Criag in the general area of Antietam he took us on some > fabulous > roads. Some of these roads I had been on and others I had been on but > only > for a very short distance. The best of which was a road between 7 and 50 > that runs along a river. I believe the road was VA 606. Anyhow, it was a > fantastic road, twisty and smooth. > > After getting to the end of 606 we deciede to play musical bikes. I took > Criags TL and Criag took Curtis's 900RR. Curtis got stuck with my slug the > little 500. We hit 50 and I soon learned what more then 110 HP is like. > Damn, I was doing over 100 before I knew it! We then hit 601 otherwise > known as mount weather. Nice weather station, I didn't realize weather > needed so much barb wire ;-). I passsed Craig a few times over the 100 > mark > on 601 cause I figured he would want to hear and see his bike fly by. > :-)))) > > After hitting 7 again, we hit the next road known as Snickersville > turnpike. > A bit bumpy (as I had remembered) but still beautiful and fiun. Again I > was > loving the extra hp! > > At the end of Snickersville, we stopped and took a break at I believe > Aldie. > After talking of what a great day we had we soon realized it was getting > late. Craig claimed his bike again and I took Curtis's. Curtis was still > stuck on my little bike. We headed east on 50 and turned left onto VA > 860. > I soon realized Tom was going way too slow for me and passed him. Criag > and > I had a liitle more fun before parting at VA 621. Craig and Tom went west > and Curtis and I headed east. I soon saw that 621 is far too straght for > a > 900RR. That has got to be the best bike I have been on. I heard Craig > talking how smooth it was but didn't realize it until I rode it myself. > > Anyway, Curtis and I headed back towards Annandale and had a chain lube > event before the evening was over. > > A great day, so much so I don't know how many miles we even racked up. I > now know one thing for sure, I need a better handling bike! Thanx again > guys, I had a blast once again. Lets do it again soon. > > Oh, and I'm still waiting for that EX250 to beat Craig! > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 08:29:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18269; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21584; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03566 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:27:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:29:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Tom, your exactly correct. A few years ago I got a ticket in FL which after a years time never showed up on my VA license. I went to get insurance from State Farm which had the cheapest rate for me. While processing my request for insurance they contacted Equifax which told them about the FL ticket and then they dropped me a few days later. Equifax was even nice enough to tell the state of VA about it. Glenn > The problem is even bigger in scope than the local area. > > I live in MD, got two cage tickets in Arlington (I was maniacally boiling > along at 37 in a 30 zone, 30 mph being the Arlington-think limit for a > superhighway), and although they didn't show up on my MD record, they did > show up in Equifax (yes, the national credit report shitheads decided they > needed other areas in which to be shitheaded, so they'll track driving > records from all over this great land of ours). I found out about Equifax > via the friendly help of Progressive, who increased my rates. > > I'd like to find these people's inner children, and kick their little > asses. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 08:43:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18387; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22483; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03918 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA15257 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:42:34 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:42:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Electronics for sale Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:45:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT I'm in the process of upgrading my stuff and have 2 (count 'em) radar detercors for sale. A Valentine 1 (best in the business) for $250 and a BEL 945im (the battery-operated motorcycle beastie) for $200 Both in good condition. Why is he selling, you may ask? - He is getting a new Valentine 1 with remote audio and laser ($450.00) and would like to defray the expense. Respond here or call me at 703.287.8427 (office) or 703.450.1892 (residence) if you're interested. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 09:14:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18647; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23864; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04358 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.78.5]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601131241.RDWZ9946@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:12:41 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601091050.0071f450@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:10:50 -0400 To: "Mersch, Tom" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Y'all-- I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No tickets issued or police report written. Equifax sucks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 09:15:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18659; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23965; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04383 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980601130931.4697.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [162.130.254.35] by send1d; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 06:09:31 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Cox Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an accident. Has anyone heard any more about the rider that was involved in this accident? Is he "okay". Again, I enjoyed myself. This was my first ride with a group this large. I think it was very organized. Hats (Helmets) off to the organizer(s). Thomas 1997 FZR600 ---The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:36:01 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: NOVA ride, Saturday night. > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Well, I didn't make it to the ride, (work), but I did get off in time to go > and see who showed up at Reston Towncenter 'round midnight. Yay. Sounded like > a lot of fun, wish I had been there kids. Oh well....next time. > > -Sean Jordan > '83 VF750F > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:37:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-30 18:25:12 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > 90....unless > it was on a race track. >> > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed when > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, i.e. > left lane only for passing. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: > From: "David Hawkins" > To: , , > Cc: , > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:24:21 -0700 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > > 90....unless > > it was on a race track. >> > > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed > when > > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, > i.e. > > left lane only for passing. > > Your last sentence makes my case. People in the U.S., in general, > have no idea what lane discipline is. I have had people actually slow > down when I bore down on the left lane with no one on the right...it's > the "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > > David H. otgrouch@XXXXXX > 93T 91NA 85NA 88SC parts car 89NA parts car > IMOC stuff http://www.twosrus.com/IMOC.htm > MKII Registry http://www.twosrus.com/registry.htm > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:53:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-31 09:22:10 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > >> > That is probably the thing I dislike most about the driving habits in the U.S. > It also sets up the very dangerous habit of passing on the right which is > extremely disconcerting for me to do, but the only way to get around a lane > hog. I used to flash my lights (as is done in Europe) but it doesn't seem to > cause the person in the left lane to move over. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: thetrick@XXXXXX > X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:52:00 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It was a very good turnout at yesterday's ride according to Alan: 27 bikes > left Chantilly, 20 bikes left Old Town, and 8 in one group (plus some > others elsewhere) assembled at ride's end at Reston Town Center (plus a > punch-drunk Sean Jordan, reeling from a long Saturday on the job :o). Both > the section through Clifton and Old Georgetown Pike were a blast to ride. > It was a bit hectic finding parking in Old Town, but most people managed to > squeeze into some spaces right on King Street. All in all, a very fun trip > for me and most others. > > Unfortunately, there was a rather serious accident on the trip. A elderly > couple turned in front of a rider on the section of the George Washington > Parkway between Route 1 and Mt Vernon. He was taken to the hospital in an > ambulance, but apparently could feel his extremities. There were witness > so I think everything will be in order legally. My information is sketchy > as I was ahead of him and wasn't able to talk to much with those who know > more. > > Tom > 1980 CX500D > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:56:03 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Content-type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="part0_896655363_boundary" > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Take a look, and email LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX if you'd be interested. > > Sean... > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Content-disposition: inline > > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX > To: JJenX69@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, PaulonWeb@XXXXXX, Skipngstns@XXXXXX, > StrmWatch@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, DCBurbs@XXXXXX, > Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, ChrystyD@XXXXXX, Yoggggi@XXXXXX, > ACAUGHY490@XXXXXX, MIC11111@XXXXXX, BSPposse@XXXXXX, AvgJayne@XXXXXX, > JBarr62995@XXXXXX, Jade28@XXXXXX, ArJay96@XXXXXX, SAT8300@XXXXXX, > BonePhd@XXXXXX, RDTXN@XXXXXX, Mark1651@XXXXXX, SlikRick91@XXXXXX > Subject: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:39:57 EDT > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a > Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And > the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, > === message truncated === _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 09:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19089; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25179; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05466 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 304 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3572B2BD.ACC6CA43@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:55:09 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: NOVA_MGR Saturday ride, the rider is ok! :) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank goodness! I'm glad he's ok! Dale Novamgr@XXXXXX wrote: > > NORTHERN VIRGINIA MOTORCYCLE GROUP RIDES (NOVA MGR) > > Dear fellow motorcycle enthusiasts, > <> > > > Bill Huson did send an Email to NOVA MGR today. It appears he is alright > after his accident, for the most part, and he had the following to say: > >Subj: oops... > >Date: 98-05-31 01:17:59 EDT > >From: bhuson@XXXXXX (William Huson) > >Reply-to: bhuson@XXXXXX > >To: Novamgr@XXXXXX > > > >Nothing like a splat to take the glow off a ride. Sorry, guys & gals. > >Hope y`all finished the ride... > > > >Anyone know where my bike went? Or should I say what's left of it. I > >need to retrieve my cell phone from the bags. > > > >And one note: Anyone who thinks wearing helmet is dumb is welcome to > >drop by my house - 5001 Wills Lane, Annandale - and take a good look at > >Shoei I had my head. It be crunched, folks. Methinks $250 is way cheaper > >than a new brain... > > > >Bill Huson > > I second Bill's feelings on helmet use. I hope you are able to ride with us > again soon, Bill. Let's all send Bill our best! > > <> > > >THAT’S ALL FOR NOW > I hope to see you on one of the upcoming rides. > > Thanks, > Alan R. Wheat > Send email to: Novamgr@XXXXXX > Group rides web site: http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html --------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.40]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 264 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:00:00 -0400 Received: from Novamgr@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 0ZLNa02999; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:45:52 +2000 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <2b4e64b0.357207d3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:45:52 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Herndon Police Poker Run Invitation and Update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 NORTHERN VIRGINIA MOTORCYCLE GROUP RIDES (NOVA MGR) Dear fellow motorcycle enthusiasts, >WHAT’S IN THIS E-MAIL? Here are the different topics you will find in this Email: >Invitation to the Herndon Police Department Poker Run this Saturday, June 6th. >Update >Bulletin Board (Updated 5/31/98) >If you are new to NOVA MGR >About NOVA MGR >For more information about NOVA MGR >How to stop receiving our announcements >INVITATION TO THE HERNDON POLICE DEPARTMENT POKER RUN THIS SATURDAY, JUNE 6th. Saturday, the Herndon Police Department will be holding their annual poker run to benefit Northern Virginia Hospice and Herndon F.O.P. Lodge 64. This will be the third one in a row for me and I can tell you it's my favorite poker run. Not only is the route typically good, but your $15 entry fee (pay at registration) includes a great lunch, poker hand, door prize ticket, and refreshments! Lone Star Steakhouse is expected to be fixing up their great burgers again this year, according to my source. The registration is at the Herndon Police Department from 8:30am to 11am. The last bike must return from the route to the Herndon Police Department by 3pm. The rain date would be the next day. If you are interested in attending with the NOVA MGR group, see below for the meeting location. For those of you who don't know what a poker run is, send me an Email at NOVAMGR@XXXXXX and I will give you a description. Be sure to foward this Email to a friend! As always, please arrive with a full tank of gas. Location - Meet for breakfast and pre-ride meeting at Wendy's Restaurant in front of Capital Expo Center, Chantilly. Time - 8:30am for breakfast. Group leaves after 8:50am riders meeting. Directions to the meeting place: 1) From Cap. Beltway take 66 WEST for ROUGHLY 15 minutes. 2) Take route 28 NORTH (towards Dulles Airport). 3) At the 5th light (I think) on 28, turn right on to Willard Road. 4) First intersection (no light), turn left into Capital Expo Center. 5) There will be a Wendy's there. Look for the bikes (unless you're first or very late). Note: There are two Wendy's in Chantilly, this is the one by Capital Expo Center off Willard Road. >UPDATE Thanks to all of you who have taken the time to attend one of our rides. Those of you who were fortunate enough to join the Night Riders event enjoyed the company of 27 motorcycles, which made parking in Old Town rather interesting. I can say that we get a lot of looks while we are going down the road. Thanks for the help from the volunteers who assisted in seeing the large group through the route. Send me your thoughts on the ride. I would be particularly interested in knowing what you thought of the views of the Potomac. Did anyone notice the cruise ships and the monuments of DC? On another note, the night was not mishap free for one rider, but it turned out to be an excellent ride for everyone else. Bill Huson did send an Email to NOVA MGR today. It appears he is alright after his accident, for the most part, and he had the following to say: >Subj: oops... >Date: 98-05-31 01:17:59 EDT >From: bhuson@XXXXXX (William Huson) >Reply-to: bhuson@XXXXXX >To: Novamgr@XXXXXX > >Nothing like a splat to take the glow off a ride. Sorry, guys & gals. >Hope y`all finished the ride... > >Anyone know where my bike went? Or should I say what's left of it. I >need to retrieve my cell phone from the bags. > >And one note: Anyone who thinks wearing helmet is dumb is welcome to >drop by my house - 5001 Wills Lane, Annandale - and take a good look at >Shoei I had my head. It be crunched, folks. Methinks $250 is way cheaper >than a new brain... > >Bill Huson I second Bill's feelings on helmet use. I hope you are able to ride with us again soon, Bill. Let's all send Bill our best! I have one request for those of you who are repeat riders or would like to lead some bikes. With the growing number of bikes showing up for our rides, we could really use some volunteers to divide the group into smaller and more manageable sections. I would like for the group to typically ride as a whole, but when traffic lights and cars break up the line, we need people who know the route and can help those in back rejoin the front. I prefer only to stop where it is safe for all riders to regroup. The shoulder of the road has had to do in the past, but a parking lot further ahead is always better. With secondary leaders helping separated bikes, we don't have to stop just because there is a change in direction because the rest of the group will find its way. So Email me if you want to volunteer to help out on any NOVA MGR ride. >BULLETIN BOARD (Updated 5/31/98) Fast Lane Cycles Dynojet Dynamometer Horsepower Shootout: Sunday, June 14 from 11 to 5. $15 to enter. 5 classes to enter. Trophy for highest horsepower and FREE jet kit for the lowest. > Fast Lane Cycles > 4215-B Walney Road > Chantilly, VA 20151 > 703.818.8890 > www.fastlanecycles.com =================================== Manassas Honda Rider's Club: Meetings held first Tuesday of each month at 7:30pm. You'll find them at the Old Country Buffet in Manassas. All motorcyclists can join. Their next poker run is August 8th at Manassas Honda. Registration is 9am to 11am and costs just $5.00. All bikes welcome. =================================== Hooters (Richmond) Bike Show: Saturday, June 13th 7912 W. Broad st., Richmond Registration 11am Show is 12pm - 4pm Registration if FREE!! Registered participants get 10% off food purchases. Live Band XL102 Diner live on the Air Photos with the Hooters Girls Plenty of Vendors Awards for all Classes (even Foreign) Proceeds benefit Special Olympics =================================== Gold Wing for Sale: Back injury forces sale of well-cared for immaculate, quick* '86 Aspencade (with many unmounted extras), custom 8.5 foot Cycle Shield (portable ride-in garage) and all mechanical history. All saddlebag refelctors lighted with turn signals and back-off brake lights on top trunk. All driving and lower lights independently wired to switches. Stereo, intercom and CB in helmet! Must see the Sweet Savage (members.aol.com/Winger1200/index.html) on site to truly appreciate - $6,500 (obo to good home only.) *(broken in hard!) Email Winger1200@XXXXXX =================================== Wanted: Inexpensive dirt bike 125cc or smaller that runs. Does not matter what year or what make. Email JoeVR5@XXXXXX. Will pick up. Manassas VA =================================== Starter Bike Wanted: Looking for a good starter bike for a petite woman. She doesn't want to spend more than a couple hundred until she can decide that driving as opposed to riding is her thing!! If anyone on your circuit has any info that might help...have them contact me: Zeusmonstr@XXXXXX. =================================== For Sale: 1994 Suzuki RF600R, Red, 11k miles, Corbin seat, New D204 tires, service manual, oil filters, etc. $3800 Leesburg, VA, email bnorton@XXXXXX =================================== Hooters Poker Run on June 6th: Registration from 8-10am. Starts and finishes at Hooters of Manassas. $10 per hand or 3 hands for $25. Breakfast will be available from 8-10am. All proceeds to benefit the VFW Post 1503 Relief Fund. =================================== Harley-Davidson for Sale: 1957 Straight Leg Frame, Wideglide Front Forks, 1960 Pan Engine (Stroked to 88.5 cubic inches), 12 Volt Singlefire Ignition, SU "Eliminator" Carburetor. Asking $10,500. Call Bill at 804-737-6146 or send Email to Cycle503@XXXXXX =================================== Help Needed: My centerstand bracket on my Kawasaki 750 Vulcan broke off of the frame. The bike is 5 years old. I have never heard of this happening to a bike before and wanted to know if anyone has had this happen to them on any make, model of bike. Also, I spoke to 2 dealers neither of which said they could fix it short of replacing the whole frame. Does anyone know of a good welder who thinks they may be able to weld the bracket back on? Also, Kawasaki said since it is out of warranty they can't help me. I feel that this shouldn't happen no matter how old the bike is, and does anyone know of some higher ups in Kawasaki that I could contact to get some compensation for this. Thank You, Steve Berto SBERTO@XXXXXX (703) 998-7600 ext 168 (8:30 - 5:30) >IF YOU ARE NEW TO NOVA MGR Welcome to those of you who recently joined our mailing list of ride notifications. I'm sure you will enjoy the activities we have planned throughout the year. We have approximately four hundred email addresses on the group's invitation list. We are not a club and we don't collect dues. We do ride with clubs sometimes and they may have a small fee for their events, but I will always inform you in advance of what your expenses may be on our rides if anything other than fuel. >ABOUT NOVA MGR All rides take place regardless of temperature, but if it is raining at the scheduled start of the ride then it will be canceled. We are not a "sport bike club" nor are we a "touring group", but the pace of the group is usually dictated by who shows up for a given ride. If we have wide variety of bikes for the ride, we may break into two or more groups with the faster riders leaving first. If the pace of a particular ride is too slow for you, feel free to go on ahead and wait for us at the next stop. If the pace of the group is too fast, we usually stop or slow before any major changes in direction to allow for the rear to catch up. Whatever the case may be, please don’t try to keep up with a particularly fast rider if you are not comfortable with that pace. We won’t leave you behind to get lost. All riders should feel welcome to attend any of our rides. The point of these group rides is to have stress-free day trips with others who aren’t committed to anything but enjoying their motorcycles. Hopefully, we will not have any politics or bias on the rides. Just come to ride and have fun. Please feel free to forward this email on to anyone who might want these announcements. Such persons don’t even need email if you want to print it out for them. If you have received this email from someone else and you want to be on the direct list yourself, send an email to Novamgr@XXXXXX. >FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT NOVA MGR Check out the web site at http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html for more information on the group rides. You'll find a calendar of upcoming rides as well as links to other motorcycle sites. >HOW TO STOP RECEIVING OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS If you prefer not to receive future announcements and invitations, please send a message to Novamgr@XXXXXX. >THAT’S ALL FOR NOW I hope to see you on one of the upcoming rides. Thanks, Alan R. Wheat Send email to: Novamgr@XXXXXX Group rides web site: http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html --------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 10:18:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19326; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25580; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06141 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA07669; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA00902; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:18:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601141803.EOQG4622@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Charles L. Rosen" CC: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dead Battery X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601141803.EOQG4622@[166.41.242.141]> >Well, I have finished recuperating from cervical spine surgery, had to bump >start my bike after 3 months of no riding (I know, I should have taken the >battery out, but friends kept promising to exercise her, and then bailed >out. I did have stabil in the tank.) Any how, I tried riding again today, >dead battery once again. As I am on call tonight, I had to take the truck >for fear of leaving the hospital on foot in the AM instead of bike. > >Anyhow, should I just buy a new battery? Any recs? or a week of trickle >charging? > >This on top of being incapacitated during mar-may ( the best riding time in >DC has me pissed off. > >Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > >-charles Charles, You didn't say how old the battery was before being stored. It might be a good Idea to just get a new one. Have it load tested at a shop to see that it is good or bad first. Sorry to hear about your hiatus from riding. Glad to hear you're doing ok. Now, it's time to ride again :) Todd ---------------------------------- Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Neurological Surgery George Washington University 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20037 page: (202) 994-3321 email: crosen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 10:35:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19499; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26106; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06570 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.57] (unverified [207.226.128.57]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 23:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Fender Bender club Date: Sun, 31 May 98 23:16:57 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Joined the fender kickers club this afternoon. Was coming home from parents house on the BMW (put on my Aeroflow headlight protector and the run'n'lites in the rear). Idiot tried to run me over once or maybe he just didn't see me. Tried to pass him. Same thing happened. Third time is the charm. After the third time, he was next to me at a stop light. Kicked him with my right foot. Now, here's the tricky part... I was at my parents house. They have a gravel driveway. The bits of gravel get stuck in the tread in my shoe. He gassed it as soon as I kicked. Gravel scrapes down side of car. I take off, he follows. Next stop light. Conversation goes like this: Him: "Look what you did to my car" Me: "Fuck you, you could have killed me" "I couldn't see you" "I saw your pointy head through the window. You didn't even look for me" "What about my car?" "Take me to court. If you can get my plate number. We'll both tell the judge that you tried to kill me" Dumbass (about 18 years old or so) reaches down to get pen and paper. Light goes green. I take off like a shot. I know the timing of the lights in that area, and know that if I give my bike full throttle, I can just squeeze into the next three lights before they go red (top speed never over 75. Lights are pretty close) Last I saw of the guy. I'm not proud of what I did, and consider myself quite lucky that he didn't have a gun. It's not something I'd do again (if I were thinking) But damn if I'm not glad there was some gravel in the tread of my boot. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 10:36:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19509; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26160; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06586 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA06285; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA03483; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA08677; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:22 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA08674; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:21 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8D2F.E87E42D0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:30:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 5 TEXT, 41 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Did anyone see the races at Summit Point this weekend? Did Collin and Brian get out and tear up the track?? - Ursulina begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C8.`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06 `P`.````S@<&``$` M!P`>`#,``0`U`0$@@ ,`#@```,X'!@`!``<`(P`U``$`/ $!"8 !`"$```!" M-#,Q.#,Y-$4S1#E$,3$Q03%"13 P.# U1D,Q1$-&0@`]!P$-@ 0``@````(` M`@`!!( !`"H```!$:60@86YY;VYE('-E92!T:&4@``B "" &``````# ````````1@`````VA0`` M`0````$`````````'@`)@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````-X4```$````! 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M1U]-4T; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.47] (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:12:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 11:16:46 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "Mersch, Tom" , "'DC Cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Add me to the list. Had a phone bill problem when I was in college. Paid it a few months late, but Equifax, even though they had received the information that it was paid didn't remove it until two years later when I was denied a loan because of their erroneous report. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:15:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20018; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27503; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07548 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA2523 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:07:53 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:12:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:15:13 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thomas_k_cox@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Many people insist that it is their god-given right to drive like a moron. Was in Germany a few years ago with a client and he had obtained an E500, at the time Benz's bad-ass sport sedan. He insisted on cruising the left lane of the Autobahn because "this car goes 155mph," making me nervous as hell. There we were, trundling along at 200kph (120 for us) in the passing lane when I looked back and saw a bike approaching, headlight flashing. I said, "you should move over, this guy wants to pass," and what does the genius do? He floors it. "This car does 155." By this time, the biker (on a ZX11) is on the rear bumper and he's livid, honking his horn and shaking his fist. "Move over, he's right up our ass," I remark as diplomatically as possible. He finally gets with the program and our German friend goes by but not before issuing the universal salute. My client looks as though he's suffering from shrinky-dink, so maybe this will help: "Mark, I know this car does 155. But that bike does 175." I think we started getting passed by Trabant drivers after that little episode. Cars still suck, Joe 86 Ninja >>> Thomas Cox - 6/1/98 9:09 AM >>> All, I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an accident. Has anyone heard any more about the rider that was involved in this accident? Is he "okay". Again, I enjoyed myself. This was my first ride with a group this large. I think it was very organized. Hats (Helmets) off to the organizer(s). Thomas 1997 FZR600 ---The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:36:01 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: NOVA ride, Saturday night. > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Well, I didn't make it to the ride, (work), but I did get off in time to go > and see who showed up at Reston Towncenter 'round midnight. Yay. Sounded like > a lot of fun, wish I had been there kids. Oh well....next time. > > -Sean Jordan > '83 VF750F > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:37:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-30 18:25:12 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > 90....unless > it was on a race track. >> > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed when > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, i.e. > left lane only for passing. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: > From: "David Hawkins" > To: , , > Cc: , > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:24:21 -0700 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > > 90....unless > > it was on a race track. >> > > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed > when > > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, > i.e. > > left lane only for passing. > > Your last sentence makes my case. People in the U.S., in general, > have no idea what lane discipline is. I have had people actually slow > down when I bore down on the left lane with no one on the right...it's > the "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > > David H. otgrouch@XXXXXX > 93T 91NA 85NA 88SC parts car 89NA parts car > IMOC stuff http://www.twosrus.com/IMOC.htm > MKII Registry http://www.twosrus.com/registry.htm > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:53:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-31 09:22:10 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > >> > That is probably the thing I dislike most about the driving habits in the U.S. > It also sets up the very dangerous habit of passing on the right which is > extremely disconcerting for me to do, but the only way to get around a lane > hog. I used to flash my lights (as is done in Europe) but it doesn't seem to > cause the person in the left lane to move over. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: thetrick@XXXXXX > X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:52:00 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It was a very good turnout at yesterday's ride according to Alan: 27 bikes > left Chantilly, 20 bikes left Old Town, and 8 in one group (plus some > others elsewhere) assembled at ride's end at Reston Town Center (plus a > punch-drunk Sean Jordan, reeling from a long Saturday on the job :o). Both > the section through Clifton and Old Georgetown Pike were a blast to ride. > It was a bit hectic finding parking in Old Town, but most people managed to > squeeze into some spaces right on King Street. All in all, a very fun trip > for me and most others. > > Unfortunately, there was a rather serious accident on the trip. A elderly > couple turned in front of a rider on the section of the George Washington > Parkway between Route 1 and Mt Vernon. He was taken to the hospital in an > ambulance, but apparently could feel his extremities. There were witness > so I think everything will be in order legally. My information is sketchy > as I was ahead of him and wasn't able to talk to much with those who know > more. > > Tom > 1980 CX500D > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:56:03 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Content-type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="part0_896655363_boundary" > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Take a look, and email LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX if you'd be interested. > > Sean... > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Content-disposition: inline > > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX > To: JJenX69@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, PaulonWeb@XXXXXX, Skipngstns@XXXXXX, > StrmWatch@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, DCBurbs@XXXXXX, > Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, ChrystyD@XXXXXX, Yoggggi@XXXXXX, > ACAUGHY490@XXXXXX, MIC11111@XXXXXX, BSPposse@XXXXXX, AvgJayne@XXXXXX, > JBarr62995@XXXXXX, Jade28@XXXXXX, ArJay96@XXXXXX, SAT8300@XXXXXX, > BonePhd@XXXXXX, RDTXN@XXXXXX, Mark1651@XXXXXX, SlikRick91@XXXXXX > Subject: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:39:57 EDT > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a > Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And > the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, > === message truncated === _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:19:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20100; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27640; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07652 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.130]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601151831.ZFR20489@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:18:31 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601111641.00725750@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:16:41 -0400 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ursulina-- Collin was out for the school session, but I'd left by then. Alan Lapp was supposed to ride Brians bike sunday. God it was hot and humid sunday! I'm glad Krista and I did our race watching on Saturday! I want to know if anybody showed up to get the tickets I left under a rock!?!? see ya Kevin At 07:30 AM 6/1/98 -0700, you wrote: >Did anyone see the races at Summit Point this weekend? 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:33:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20318; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28102; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08005 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA10239; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA27832; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:33:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Allen Wheat , Thomas Cox CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> >All, >I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I >noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as >though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am >saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an >accident. Just a reminder to everyone who rides in a group, especially a large group. The group is not a single vehicle. The bikes that make the group are. This means that another vehicle must be given right of way when signalling to do so regardless that you may be riding in a large group. >From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue the ride. Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the accident? Allen? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:48:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20519; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28690; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08469 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA22130 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA18102 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:48:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601154808.BWVR20960@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:48:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Summit Point/Collin/Heat X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601154808.BWVR20960@[166.41.242.141]> Spent Saturday and Sunday in corner 1 and 10 this weekend. Both days were very hot, though Sunday was a tad more breezy. The racing was CCS, a fairly good crop of racers. Highlights included no new track records (current is David Yakov at 1:17:??), Brian Beemisterfer(SP, totally mangled) on his new Buell Lightning not running very well, Rick Beggs pulls a victory wheely on cool down lap up the straights at 8 and gets it too far up....and over =:0, a flagger in turn one calls for red flag then pulls his shoulder from the socket waving it =:0, lot's of bikini clad sweeties ;-). Collin Fagen showed up a little late on Saturday working feverishly to finish the tech work to his GSXR750. Apparently he did since he participated in race school and got to race once on Sunday. I'll leave the details he experienced to him, but I will say that during the mock racing (for students) on Saturday afternoon, he was turning 1:28:50 just before the race was cancelled. Oh yeah, he was leading out front. DC-Cycles faces seen at the track: Leon Begeman and his daughter, Kevin Thomas and fiance (Christa?), Brian McCoy working corners and watching his RS125 being raced by ex-lister Alan Lapp, Collin Fagen, Steve Harris (though I never got a chance to come over and say Hi). Anyone else I just missed? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:00:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20665; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29250; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08881 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBGIa14282 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f2de42b.3572d001@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:00 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: two more aerostich suits for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Hello, I just got two one-piece Roadcrafter suits, and I'll be posting them on my web site in a few hours. Both are in excellent condition and not the least bit faded. The first one is size 36S, red with blue ballistic patches. The Aerostich size chart say this size is for people 5'4", 120-140 lbs and 30" waist. I think you could be a few inches taller and it would still be ok. The second is size 44, red with gray ballistic patches. Size chart says 5'11", 165-200, 38" waist. I think 165-lb people would probably find this suit too roomy. prices: 36S - $400 44 - $425 If you look on my web site, you will see these items priced slightly higher. The prices mentioned above apply if you come pick up the suits. Don't forget this is a legal biz and I have to collect 5% sales tax. thanks, Colleen 301/589-6549 http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:05:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20733; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29408; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09081 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.121]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601160520.VBBT9946@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:05:20 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601120328.007266fc@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:03:28 -0400 To: jaynik@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jay-- Sorry, no I meant that Collin was going to ride in the school session. When I spoke to him, he was on the way to the classroom. Kevin At 11:54 AM 6/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Kevin, > >What do you mean Collin was out for the school session? Is that bad? >Or do you mean that he was in the middle of school? > > >KL>Collin was out for the school session, but I'd left by then. Alan Lapp was >KL>supposed to ride Brians bike sunday. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:20:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20910; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00580; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09454 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08183 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011616.AA08183@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:14:57 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: AWheat@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thomas_k_cox@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. He's fine, I'm just going to email him and see how sore he is... I was two bikes back from him (and in his line) when he t-boned the car...very scary there for awhile...there was no way he could of avoided the car either..they just literally cut right in front of him less than 10 feet in front of him..he locked up his brakes and I locked up mine..then he hit just behind the rear passenger tire, big dent in the late model Caprice (or similiar tub like cage), and then sailed over the rear trunk of the car..when he landed, he hit his head first, helmet has a huge gouge in the helmet just above the right eyebrow..he landed head first with his feet almost straight up, then rolled (his body was shaped like a forward slash "/" with is head at the lower left portion of the slash if you get what I mean), then he rolled about four or five times and ended up facing up... he was coherent and, like a true biker, wanted a cigarette..he seemed more shook up than seriously hurt thank god, but some passersby in a cage (two cute girls btw), called 911 for us. There was a fair amount of traffic on the road for that time in the evening (around 9:30-10:00) and I was suprised to see how many people stopped and asked us if we needed any help or if 911 had been called. The bike, a late model HD, I believe an Ultra Classic or similiar model, is pretty toasted..the entire front end is crushed and the rim was shattered all over the road...I wouldn't be suprised if it's written off as a total loss..too bad too since it was a really pretty bike...when he hit the car, I nearly hit him and had to suddenly veer around him while he rolled right past me as I went around the crushed bike and cage...good thing we weren't going any faster than about 30mph...! ...I'm sure that Bill is very happy that he was wearing a helmet! ...Incidently, after we were sure that Bill was ok and being taken care of by the EMS folks (Fairfaxs finest and the EMS crew showed up less than 5 min after the 911 call...big kudos for them!), I asked the old lady who was passenger in the cage that hit him how she was feeling, she, and (I guess) her husband (who was driving, both seemed to be in the 80's btw) seemed to be in a daze and didn't really seem to understand what they just did...when I asked her if she was ok, she just said, "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... -gawd... incidently, I'm thinking about taking a rain check on any future evening runs...it's dangerous enough during the daytime but nighttime driving takes on a whole new dimension of it's own..we were in formation, with *lots* of headlights (Bill had THREE) and STILL some brain dead cager tried to kill one of us...on the way home on Rt 7, I was almost run off the road, not once, but TWICE by cagers that didn't even look to see if there was anyone in the lane next to them..very scary....THEN before THAT, I was on Rt 1 heading up towards 495 when I saw this cage come zooming up behind me and lay on his horn (we were in heavy traffic going about 30mph), he moves in the left lane (I was in the center lane), and rolls down his passenger window and starts yelling at me! I could make out something about "GODDAMN motorcycles are all pieces of shit and are bastards that shouldn't be allowed on the road and if I didn't get off HIS road, he was going to run me off the road to teach me a lesson!" Now mind you that I had been in the center lane for atleast 5 miles going the flow of traffic so I know I didn't cut him off earlier or anything like that..I vaguely remember him pulling out of a parking lot about a mile before he zoomed up behind me...after hurling those lovely remarks at me, he punched it and damn near ran three cars off the road racing down the road...all the while yelling at the top of his lungs...looked like a young Army guy.. complete nut case..... -aki > > >All, > >I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I > >noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as > >though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am > >saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an > >accident. > > Just a reminder to everyone who rides in a group, especially a large > group. The group is not a single vehicle. The bikes that make the > group are. This means that another vehicle must be given right of > way when signalling to do so regardless that you may be riding in a > large group. > > From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just > a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being > experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to > get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue > the ride. > > Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the > accident? Allen? > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:37:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21119; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01337; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10072 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806011637.MAA10072@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id L7XFA2NK; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:48:07 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:34:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride In-Reply-To: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:22 AM 6/1/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >>From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just >a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being >experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to >get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue >the ride. I make a point of letting cars in when necessary and did several times on Saturday night... but I did notice some strange behavior. When we were nearing the end of the GW Parkway, there were signs indicating that the right lane was ending due to construction. The whole group was already in the left lane, and I was riding last at that point. A limo that was behind me in the left lane proceeded to move over into the right lane (which was ending) and pass me on the right. He then passed the next two bikes, ran out of lane, signaled and moved back over, separating the three of us from the rest of the group. I guess he didn't like driving behind me, or maybe wanted to get a better look at the other bikes?!? Then I wound up getting stuck behind a teeny car (Geo Metro type) for quite a while on Old Georgetown Pike. Ugh! Once he finally turned off I was able to catch up with a rider who had hung back from the group (to wait for me I guess), and we went on some cool twisty roads as a shortcut to Reston Towncenter. Almost beat the rest of the group there! At that point I was feeling pretty tired so I headed home. Definitely an enjoyable ride (apart from the accident). >Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the >accident? Allen? >From what I heard, he was riding in the middle of the group of motorcycles (or at least he wasn't the first in line). An elderly couple was waiting to pull out, and waited for at least one bike to go by. They then pulled out directly in front of the gentleman on the Harley, who hit the car broadside near the back wheel on the driver's side. The front of his bike was demolished, and there was quite a bit of damage to the car. He apparently flew over the car, and landed on his head. Thank god he was wearing a real helmet! The next bike following him was in the left part of the lane, and was able to swerve around the car. Apparently the next bike in line was in the right part (staggered formation) and barely missed being involved in the accident as well. All of this is second hand as I was in the first group and we didn't find out about the accident until we got to Old Town. I'm glad that the rider wasn't too badly hurt... definitely a sobering experience. I had been riding behind him for the beginning part of the ride, and it made me realize that it could have easily been me... I will continue to be extra wary of any cars waiting to make a turn in front of me! Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:57:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21333; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01905; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from widgetworks.com (known homer.widgetworks.com [204.71.245.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10682 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by widgetworks.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA28090; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:56:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Johansson Message-Id: <199806011656.MAA28090@widgetworks.com> Subject: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:56:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee (LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX) writes: > As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a > Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And > the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, > sexual or bike preference) are quite a distance from Annapolis. Are you sure you aren't giving in to stereotypes? I've never found a a rider group where I wasn't welcome. Just show up wherever you see bikes parked and start chatting people up. An even better place to meet people is at rallies. Fortunately, I'm surrounded by a lot of riders: five of the nine people in my company ride (3 male and 2 female); my girlfriend rides; several of my clients ride; and I live in Fells Pt. which is Baltimore's bike gathering spot. Curiously enough, a lot of casual rides I take are split quite close to 50% male 50% female and often there are often as many bike manufacturers represented as bikes. Last year I made a pretty good habit of posting all of my day-long or weekend-long rides to the balt-cycles list in hopes of soliciting additional riders. I've been a bit lax this year, but that's been mostly because I just haven't had my act together recently. Peter Johansson peter@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:58:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21358; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01925; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10724 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p204.smart.net [206.97.127.204]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12436; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3572DE40.D8D14A50@smart.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:00:49 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 References: <199806011616.AA08183@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: > bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. [snip] > "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by > the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... This makes me sick. Are you telling us that she tried to blame the accident on Bill? There must be X number of witnesses who gave statements to the contrary, correct? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:00:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21406; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01980; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10802 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA19309; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3572DAE1.A31C48DE@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:46:25 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: klthomas@XXXXXX CC: jaynik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? References: <3.0.3.32.19980601120328.007266fc@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since Collin is a Track Day today, he won't be able to defend himself. As was mentioned, he did very well on Saturday, leading the rest of the students around the track at the 'race' at the end of school. Saturday Collin complained about his tires sliding around in the corners, he was riding street compound Dunlop D207s. On Sunday he bought a pair of used tires and put them on the bike. The tires changed the bike, instead of sliding through the corners, he said it did very well. However on the main straight the head shake was so bad he couldn't get into top gear. His first comment after the race was "Whose idea was it to change tires anyway?" Because his bike doesn't have bodywork, he was only eligible for one race on Sunday. I think it was 'unlimited sportbike' or some other class that meant there were a lot of big bikes and very good riders out there. As a new rider, Collin was gridded as the last bike in the third (last) wave of riders. There was a lot of 'agricultural' racing, probably due to the number of riders, but perhaps also because this was a mixed field of experts, amateurs and blue-shirts. Collin finished as the last rider that didn't get lapped. In addition to the 3 or more bikes that went off the track, there were at least 6 that did get lapped. Leon. klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > > Jay-- > > Sorry, no I meant that Collin was going to ride in the school session. > When I spoke to him, he was on the way to the classroom. > > Kevin > > At 11:54 AM 6/1/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Kevin, > > > >What do you mean Collin was out for the school session? Is that bad? > >Or do you mean that he was in the middle of school? > > > > > >KL>Collin was out for the school session, but I'd left by then. Alan Lapp was > >KL>supposed to ride Brians bike sunday. > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:07:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21471; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02179; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11041 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:35 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA11016 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011707.AA11016@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:06:08 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: tgimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3572DE40.D8D14A50@smart.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME quite honestly, I don't even think she (or he) had any idea what happened...he was walking around taking the license plate numbers off the backs of our bikes..bad idea since we certainly aren't going to testify *for* him! I was suprised that after he hit Bill, he (or she) didn't even come over to see if he was ok! They were more concerned about the dent in *their* car! makes me sick to think about it personally... -aki > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: > > bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. > > [snip] > > > "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by > > the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... > > This makes me sick. > > Are you telling us that she tried to blame the accident on Bill? There must > be X number of witnesses who gave statements to the contrary, correct? > > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:40:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21921; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03925; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12034 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A7183130292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:38:32 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601130528.00e93a80@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:05:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 In-Reply-To: <19980601130931.4697.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:09 AM 6/1/98 -0700, Thomas Cox wrote: >All, >I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I >noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as >though many went out of their way to break our "formation". Large groups of motorcycles can easily be viewed as just rolling roadblocks. When I ride I prefer groups no larger than 5 at a time, unless the entire procession is under police escort and police monitoring (escort up front, with some officers running sweep to keep the cars at bay). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:39:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21919; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03924; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12032 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A7193130292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:38:33 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601131152.00e93a80@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:11:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:16 PM 5/31/98 -0400, you wrote: >Joined the fender kickers club this afternoon. ... >"I couldn't see you" > >"I saw your pointy head through the window. You didn't even look for me" ... Some days life sucks. A friend was trying to turn left off a 2-lane road when a girl in a sport utility vehicle decided to cross the center line and pass him as he made his turn. She hit is front wheel, fortunately not him or his whole bike at once. The bitch stopped, and now the insurance companies and lawyers are involved. 4 broken ribs, unknown leg damage, mild road rash, much pain. He's off work for 2 weeks, and the docs expect he'll be out of action for 8-10 months. They're not ALL trying to kill us, it just feels that way. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:40:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21920; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03928; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12033 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A71A3130292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:38:34 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601134021.010c62c0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:40:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 In-Reply-To: <199806011616.AA08183@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > ... on Rt 7, I was almost run off the road, not once, but TWICE by >cagers that didn't even look to see if there was anyone in the >lane next to them..very scary.... I've gotten so I just won't ride beside a car driver. I'll pass them, but if I can't get clear in front due to traffic, then I brake until I'm behind his rear bumper. I realize this puts me in their blind spot, but at least I can't get hit if he decides to change lanes without looking. Then I get a chance to set off the horns and try to give him a heart attack. >... when I saw this cage come zooming up behind >me and lay on his horn (we were in heavy traffic going about 30mph), >he moves in the left lane (I was in the center lane), and rolls >down his passenger window and starts yelling at me! I could make >out something about "GODDAMN motorcycles are all pieces of shit and >are bastards that shouldn't be allowed on the road and if I didn't >get off HIS road, he was going to run me off the road to teach me >a lesson!" Too bad you couldn't get his tag no. and turn him in. Fairfax County police will take reports of aggressive drivers and send out a warning (at least that's what I read in a newspaper article). All we can do is get the hell out of the way - there's just no better way to deal with people like that. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:07:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22312; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04752; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12914 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA25824; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma025761; Mon, 1 Jun 98 14:06:42 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Sat Night Ride Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anita Lauro writes: >A limo that was behind >me in the left lane proceeded to move over into the right lane (which was >ending) and pass me on the right. He then passed the next two bikes, ran >out of lane, signaled and moved back over, separating the three of us from >the rest of the group. I guess he didn't like driving behind me, or maybe >wanted to get a better look at the other bikes?!? Actually, I doubt it has much to do with the bikes... this is standard behavior around here. Every night, I come off the Dulles Toll Road, in the left lane because I'm heading for 66 east. Every night, people pull into the merge lane off the airport access road, which is about the end (since it's only there to let people merge from the access road onto the connector between the toll road, beltway, and 66) and try to get a car length ahead. Usually when they do this, it's very easy to pull up past them... so their attempt to pass in a merge lane leaves them farther back than they would have been if they'd just stayed put. Aggression is no substitute for brains. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:08:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22347; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04909; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12972 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADD53550292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:07:17 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601135239.00ea57b0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:52:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* In-Reply-To: <199806011656.MAA28090@widgetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Lee (LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX) writes: > >> As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a >> Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And >> the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, >> sexual or bike preference) are quite a distance from Annapolis. Yow! Sounds like you're around some real neanderthals. I recommend trying: 1. the Honda Sport Touring Assoc. (who don't care if you ride a Honda or not, about a third of the members are non-Honda). There's chapters in every state, and the Maryland head live and works in Annapolis. 2. Potomac Area Road Riders - an old group from Virginia, has people all over. 3. Women On Wheels - women only. There's several Maryland chapters. 4. CAMS - a spin-off from dc-cycles, who have only two rules-- 1. No drinking and riding. 2. No other rules. 5. dc-cycles-- this list has generated quite a lot of interest and riding recently. I've ridden with all the groups above, and aside from some deserved criticism of bikes that get more miles in pickup trucks than on their own wheels, everyone has been pretty laid back about who you are and what you ride. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:09:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22370; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05013; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12994 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:23:01 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 046AB3572CB5E003-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 046AB3572CB5E003 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <046AB3572CB5E003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: No List E-mail since Friday MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <046AB3572CB5E003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Is the DC Cycles list server working? I have received no e-mail from the list since Friday. My office tells me our system is working properly so any problem must be on the other end. Anyone else with a similar problem? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:15:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22427; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05379; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13158 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA14754 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011814.AA14754@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:12:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride To: 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806011637.MAA10072@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > At 11:22 AM 6/1/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > > >Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the > >accident? Allen? > > From what I heard, he was riding in the middle of the group of motorcycles > (or at least he wasn't the first in line). ...actually he was third from last..I was bringing up the rear... > An elderly couple was waiting > to pull out, and waited for at least one bike to go by. They then pulled > out directly in front of the gentleman on the Harley, who hit the car > broadside near the back wheel on the driver's side. ...the elderly couple was oncoming, they wanted to make a left hand turn crossing over our lane, they didn't wait for *anyone*, they just cut right in front of Bill...he t-boned it just behind the passengers rear wheel. >The front of his bike > was demolished, and there was quite a bit of damage to the car. He > apparently flew over the car, and landed on his head. Thank god he was > wearing a real helmet! ..actually the damage wasn't that bad on the cage..just the rear fender well was punched in..probably less than $1k of damage to the cage. The bike was another story... >The next bike following him was in the left part of > the lane, and was able to swerve around the car. Apparently the next bike > in line was in the right part (staggered formation) and barely missed being > involved in the accident as well. ..that was me..I wasn't as concerned about hitting the cage as I was running over Bill... > All of this is second hand as I was in > the first group and we didn't find out about the accident until we got to > Old Town. I'm glad that the rider wasn't too badly hurt... definitely a > sobering experience. I had been riding behind him for the beginning part > of the ride, and it made me realize that it could have easily been me... I > will continue to be extra wary of any cars waiting to make a turn in front > of me! amen! -aki > > > X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:18:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22489; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05538; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (known jefferson.patriot.net [206.151.9.249]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13275 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bhuson.patriot.net (th-2-5.patriot.net [206.29.51.57]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03127 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:15:21 -0400 From: William Huson Reply-To: bhuson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I'm alive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, y`all Joe gave me this addy. I'm the rider who went for an asphalt luge without a sled after the geezer-mobile made a leftie in front of my face. T-Bone city. Methinks my Harley is totaled, but my old body is still wiggling. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:23:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22569; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05975; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13498 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 269; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3572F19C.A94F539F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:23:24 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: horns References: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> <3.0.1.32.19980601134021.010c62c0@norloff.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > >I realize this puts me in their blind spot, but at least > I can't get hit if he decides to change lanes without looking. Then I get > a chance to set off the horns and try to give him a heart attack. -- Hahahaha! I'm glad I wasn't sipping from my water bottle when I was reading this, or I'd a snorted water all over the monitor and keyboard when I busted out laughing. :-) Oh well, I guess I needed a humor break there. Thanks! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:33:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22703; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06505; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14083 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806011832.OAA14083@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id L7XFA2RT; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:43:19 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:30:06 -0400 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806011814.AA14754@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <199806011637.MAA10072@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:12 PM 6/1/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: >...the elderly couple was oncoming, they wanted to make a left >hand turn crossing over our lane, they didn't wait for *anyone*, >they just cut right in front of Bill...he t-boned it just behind >the passengers rear wheel. Okay, this makes much more sense than my version! Unfortunately I had already sent my "second hand not very accurate version" before I got Aki's message. Anyhow, I remember that in my MSF course they said that the famous "car turns left in front of motorcycle" is the cause of a large percentage of car/motorcycle accidents. No kidding! Whether I'm in my car or on my motorcycle, I always try to err on the side of caution when turning in front of traffic, or pulling out. Sometimes it is really hard to judge just how fast that oncoming traffic is going! Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:41:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22838; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07091; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14494 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27961; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806011840.OAA27961@meretrix.com> To: "Burger, Donald " cc: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: Re: No List E-mail since Friday In-reply-to: Your message of "01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 EDT." <046AB3572CB5E003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:40:00 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Is the DC Cycles list server working? I have received no e-mail from the >list since Friday. My office tells me our system is working properly so >any problem must be on the other end. Anyone else with a similar >problem? Messages to our 'dot.gov' ("dot dot gov?") subscribers are not getting through because smtp connections to 'usdotmh.dot.gov' are timing out. You might want to go bang on the sysadmin types at your end. KAA25581 1237 Mon Jun 1 10:18 dc-cycles-request (Deferred: Connection timed out with usdotmh.dot.gov.) Jeffrey.Denny@XXXXXX Donald.Burger@XXXXXX [tove ~ 4]telnet usdotmh.dot.gov 25 Trying 152.119.25.10 ... telnet: connect: Connection timed out telnet> quit -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:49:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22991; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07593; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14996 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 376; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3572F7A2.8BDD7C3C@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:49:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm alive References: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another opportunity real soon! Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be good to you. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 William Huson wrote: > > Hello, y`all > > Joe gave me this addy. I'm the rider who went for an asphalt luge > without a sled after the geezer-mobile made a leftie in front of my > face. T-Bone city. > > Methinks my Harley is totaled, but my old body is still wiggling. > > Bill -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:04:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23216; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08432; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15643 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p183.smart.net [206.97.127.183]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16933; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3572FB75.81408271@smart.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:05:26 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm alive References: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> <3572F7A2.8BDD7C3C@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to it is bound to make very few friends on a jury. Dale Horstman wrote: > Bill, > > I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the > chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another > opportunity real soon! > > Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. > I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be > good to you. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:14:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23363; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08762; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15987 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA28170; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12815; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601191348.UCV11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: klthomas@XXXXXX, jaynik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601191348.UCV11142@[166.41.242.141]> Just a few minor corrections to an otherwise accurate account of events concerning Collin Fagens debut as a LICENSED racer: >Since Collin is a Track Day today, he won't be able to defend himself. >As was mentioned, he did very well on Saturday, leading the rest of the >students around the track at the 'race' at the end of school. > >Saturday Collin complained about his tires sliding around in the >corners, he was riding street compound Dunlop D207s. On Sunday he >bought a pair of used tires and put them on the bike. He was running D204 Street and bought a pair of D207s for $50 >The tires changed >the bike, instead of sliding through the corners, he said it did very >well. However on the main straight the head shake was so bad he >couldn't get into top gear. His first comment after the race was "Whose >idea was it to change tires anyway?" > >Because his bike doesn't have bodywork, he was only eligible for one >race on Sunday. I think it was 'unlimited sportbike' or some other >class that meant there were a lot of big bikes and very good riders out >there. Superbike Amateur - though there were some experts racing this event. >As a new rider, Collin was gridded as the last bike in the third (last) >wave of riders. There was a lot of 'agricultural' racing, probably due >to the number of riders, but perhaps also because this was a mixed field >of experts, amateurs and blue-shirts. Collin finished as the last rider >that didn't get lapped. In addition to the 3 or more bikes that went >off the track, there were at least 6 that did get lapped. He and one other guy in the last wave, gridded last. He was able to pass eight other riders successfully out of close to 40 bikes on track, I believe there were 6 in his grid. He did fairly well considering the obstacles - traffic, tank slap at speed, no tuning to bike at all. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:14:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23367; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08758; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15979 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA28125; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA25529; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:13:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601191343.UCN11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601191343.UCN11142@[166.41.242.141]> I believe you mentioned in an earlier post that this was an elderly couple. They certainly sounded rather righteous about the encounter, as if they could not possibly be in the wrong. Isn't that the way for some older more stubborn types? Did the police show up? Was the driver charged with failure to yeild right of