From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 03:18:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16276; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA19999; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00727 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:36:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Saturday ride report Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:39:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Well it was a great ride on Saturday but I made it kinda boing for the first part which I guess is the norm for me. Anyhow, Curtis and Craig showed up at my house by 8:30 and not long after we headed to Rockville to pick up Tom Mersch. After picking up Tom we headed west on 28. I was trying to find a good road a maniac had shown me about a year ago, I failed and ended up going onto New Design Road which I have yet to hear the end of. After reaching basically Fredrick we headed towards Thurmont and hit the twisty roads in and arond the state and fed parks. We ended this leg of the ride at high rock which is a nice view of southern PA and a nice look towards western MD. We left here and had a less then average lunch at a pizza place named Rocky's. During lunch we looked at the map and decieded to head towards WV/VA area. Once I got Criag in the general area of Antietam he took us on some fabulous roads. Some of these roads I had been on and others I had been on but only for a very short distance. The best of which was a road between 7 and 50 that runs along a river. I believe the road was VA 606. Anyhow, it was a fantastic road, twisty and smooth. After getting to the end of 606 we deciede to play musical bikes. I took Criags TL and Criag took Curtis's 900RR. Curtis got stuck with my slug the little 500. We hit 50 and I soon learned what more then 110 HP is like. Damn, I was doing over 100 before I knew it! We then hit 601 otherwise known as mount weather. Nice weather station, I didn't realize weather needed so much barb wire ;-). I passsed Craig a few times over the 100 mark on 601 cause I figured he would want to hear and see his bike fly by. :-)))) After hitting 7 again, we hit the next road known as Snickersville turnpike. A bit bumpy (as I had remembered) but still beautiful and fiun. Again I was loving the extra hp! At the end of Snickersville, we stopped and took a break at I believe Aldie. After talking of what a great day we had we soon realized it was getting late. Craig claimed his bike again and I took Curtis's. Curtis was still stuck on my little bike. We headed east on 50 and turned left onto VA 860. I soon realized Tom was going way too slow for me and passed him. Criag and I had a liitle more fun before parting at VA 621. Craig and Tom went west and Curtis and I headed east. I soon saw that 621 is far too straght for a 900RR. That has got to be the best bike I have been on. I heard Craig talking how smooth it was but didn't realize it until I rode it myself. Anyway, Curtis and I headed back towards Annandale and had a chain lube event before the evening was over. A great day, so much so I don't know how many miles we even racked up. I now know one thing for sure, I need a better handling bike! Thanx again guys, I had a blast once again. Lets do it again soon. Oh, and I'm still waiting for that EX250 to beat Craig! Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 03:18:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16281; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20003; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00734 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'kwiedema@XXXXXX'" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:48:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Well this must have just changed in the past couple years... I got a speeding ticket near Muncy in 93 and it still not on my record. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Howdy folks. Some time ago someone posted to the list about PA speeding > tickets not transferring to your home state. I can confirm that this is > incorrect (I live in VA). I got a ticket back in early April...the VA DMV > just sent me a letter telling me I'm a bad person 'cause I was speeding in > Pennsylvania and it's now on my record. Blah. :( > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 07:05:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17641; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21041; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.170.15] [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02727 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8D2B.3DDBFF60@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:02:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:02:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 58 TEXT Dale, Lee Ann (offspring #1) and I left with everyone at Chantilly. It was a nice ride for the most part. Dale and I were bringing up the rear as usual. We didn't make it to Old Town with everyone else ~ nature was calling there by the Plantation so we stopped at the Exxon and answered. We were getting tired and so was the kid so we thought we'll go up the Parkway and hit 495 to 95 South from Alexandria. We had heard the ambulance from there but was hoping it wasn't anyone of us. We saw the scene ~ not much to look at. Dale and I thought it was two cars with the motorcycle just stopping to help. It looked like one of the Harleys ~ but I don't know my bikes that well. It was the bike with chrome around the hard saddle bags. I hope he/she was ok! We got home around 11pm ~ Lee Ann rode with Dale to Chantilly and then onto Exxon. She was wearing the 3/4 helmet I used to wear ~ she was upset she didn't have speakers like Dale and I. From the Exxon to home, I let her wear my full face with the speakers and she rode with me. Should have made here ride with Dale. We sit the same height on my bike and she fall asleep like the can with Dale. Had to keep waking her up because she kept laying her head against mine pushing it down. All in all ~ a nice slow ride but I'm just not that fond of riding with a group in the dark ~ you can't see that well. Tracy ---------- From: thetrick@XXXXXX[SMTP:thetrick@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 6:52 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride It was a very good turnout at yesterday's ride according to Alan: 27 bikes left Chantilly, 20 bikes left Old Town, and 8 in one group (plus some others elsewhere) assembled at ride's end at Reston Town Center (plus a punch-drunk Sean Jordan, reeling from a long Saturday on the job :o). Both the section through Clifton and Old Georgetown Pike were a blast to ride. It was a bit hectic finding parking in Old Town, but most people managed to squeeze into some spaces right on King Street. All in all, a very fun trip for me and most others. Unfortunately, there was a rather serious accident on the trip. A elderly couple turned in front of a rider on the section of the George Washington Parkway between Route 1 and Mt Vernon. He was taken to the hospital in an ambulance, but apparently could feel his extremities. There were witness so I think everything will be in order legally. My information is sketchy as I was ahead of him and wasn't able to talk to much with those who know more. Tom 1980 CX500D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 07:42:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17848; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21240; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03007 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:41:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain The problem is even bigger in scope than the local area. I live in MD, got two cage tickets in Arlington (I was maniacally boiling along at 37 in a 30 zone, 30 mph being the Arlington-think limit for a superhighway), and although they didn't show up on my MD record, they did show up in Equifax (yes, the national credit report shitheads decided they needed other areas in which to be shitheaded, so they'll track driving records from all over this great land of ours). I found out about Equifax via the friendly help of Progressive, who increased my rates. I'd like to find these people's inner children, and kick their little asses. Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 9:48 PM > To: 'kwiedema@XXXXXX'; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth > > Well this must have just changed in the past couple years... I got a > speeding ticket near Muncy in 93 and it still not on my record. > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > Howdy folks. Some time ago someone posted to the list about PA speeding > > tickets not transferring to your home state. I can confirm that this is > > incorrect (I live in VA). I got a ticket back in early April...the VA > DMV > > just sent me a letter telling me I'm a bad person 'cause I was speeding > in > > Pennsylvania and it's now on my record. Blah. :( > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 08:03:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17963; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21381; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03215 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday ride report Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain It was the quintessential ride. An initial straight road to warm up the tires, mountain twists and elevation changes, we almost caught some fresh-air bumpy-nasty'ers at High Rock (hope they took pictures), lunch at a CAMS trough, Harpers Ferry Road Chestnut Hill 9 606 601 S'ville Tpk,.....give me a cigarette. Craig, if you want to try a ZX-6R or a K-1200RS on a ride, let me know and I'll drive your TL-1000 for you. Just keep an eye on me at every opportunity to bolt. Tom Mersch merscht@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 10:39 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Saturday ride report > > Well it was a great ride on Saturday but I made it kinda boing for the > first > part which I guess is the norm for me. Anyhow, Curtis and Craig showed up > at my house by 8:30 and not long after we headed to Rockville to pick up > Tom > Mersch. After picking up Tom we headed west on 28. > > I was trying to find a good road a maniac had shown me about a year ago, > I > failed and ended up going onto New Design Road which I have yet to hear > the > end of. After reaching basically Fredrick we headed towards Thurmont and > hit the twisty roads in and arond the state and fed parks. We ended this > leg of the ride at high rock which is a nice view of southern PA and a > nice > look towards western MD. We left here and had a less then average lunch > at > a pizza place named Rocky's. > > During lunch we looked at the map and decieded to head towards WV/VA area. > Once I got Criag in the general area of Antietam he took us on some > fabulous > roads. Some of these roads I had been on and others I had been on but > only > for a very short distance. The best of which was a road between 7 and 50 > that runs along a river. I believe the road was VA 606. Anyhow, it was a > fantastic road, twisty and smooth. > > After getting to the end of 606 we deciede to play musical bikes. I took > Criags TL and Criag took Curtis's 900RR. Curtis got stuck with my slug the > little 500. We hit 50 and I soon learned what more then 110 HP is like. > Damn, I was doing over 100 before I knew it! We then hit 601 otherwise > known as mount weather. Nice weather station, I didn't realize weather > needed so much barb wire ;-). I passsed Craig a few times over the 100 > mark > on 601 cause I figured he would want to hear and see his bike fly by. > :-)))) > > After hitting 7 again, we hit the next road known as Snickersville > turnpike. > A bit bumpy (as I had remembered) but still beautiful and fiun. Again I > was > loving the extra hp! > > At the end of Snickersville, we stopped and took a break at I believe > Aldie. > After talking of what a great day we had we soon realized it was getting > late. Craig claimed his bike again and I took Curtis's. Curtis was still > stuck on my little bike. We headed east on 50 and turned left onto VA > 860. > I soon realized Tom was going way too slow for me and passed him. Criag > and > I had a liitle more fun before parting at VA 621. Craig and Tom went west > and Curtis and I headed east. I soon saw that 621 is far too straght for > a > 900RR. That has got to be the best bike I have been on. I heard Craig > talking how smooth it was but didn't realize it until I rode it myself. > > Anyway, Curtis and I headed back towards Annandale and had a chain lube > event before the evening was over. > > A great day, so much so I don't know how many miles we even racked up. I > now know one thing for sure, I need a better handling bike! Thanx again > guys, I had a blast once again. Lets do it again soon. > > Oh, and I'm still waiting for that EX250 to beat Craig! > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 08:29:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18269; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21584; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03566 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:27:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:29:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Tom, your exactly correct. A few years ago I got a ticket in FL which after a years time never showed up on my VA license. I went to get insurance from State Farm which had the cheapest rate for me. While processing my request for insurance they contacted Equifax which told them about the FL ticket and then they dropped me a few days later. Equifax was even nice enough to tell the state of VA about it. Glenn > The problem is even bigger in scope than the local area. > > I live in MD, got two cage tickets in Arlington (I was maniacally boiling > along at 37 in a 30 zone, 30 mph being the Arlington-think limit for a > superhighway), and although they didn't show up on my MD record, they did > show up in Equifax (yes, the national credit report shitheads decided they > needed other areas in which to be shitheaded, so they'll track driving > records from all over this great land of ours). I found out about Equifax > via the friendly help of Progressive, who increased my rates. > > I'd like to find these people's inner children, and kick their little > asses. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 08:43:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18387; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22483; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03918 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA15257 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:42:34 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:42:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Electronics for sale Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:45:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT I'm in the process of upgrading my stuff and have 2 (count 'em) radar detercors for sale. A Valentine 1 (best in the business) for $250 and a BEL 945im (the battery-operated motorcycle beastie) for $200 Both in good condition. Why is he selling, you may ask? - He is getting a new Valentine 1 with remote audio and laser ($450.00) and would like to defray the expense. Respond here or call me at 703.287.8427 (office) or 703.450.1892 (residence) if you're interested. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 09:14:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18647; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23864; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04358 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.78.5]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601131241.RDWZ9946@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:12:41 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601091050.0071f450@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:10:50 -0400 To: "Mersch, Tom" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Y'all-- I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No tickets issued or police report written. Equifax sucks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 09:15:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18659; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23965; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04383 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980601130931.4697.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [162.130.254.35] by send1d; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 06:09:31 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Cox Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an accident. Has anyone heard any more about the rider that was involved in this accident? Is he "okay". Again, I enjoyed myself. This was my first ride with a group this large. I think it was very organized. Hats (Helmets) off to the organizer(s). Thomas 1997 FZR600 ---The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:36:01 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: NOVA ride, Saturday night. > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Well, I didn't make it to the ride, (work), but I did get off in time to go > and see who showed up at Reston Towncenter 'round midnight. Yay. Sounded like > a lot of fun, wish I had been there kids. Oh well....next time. > > -Sean Jordan > '83 VF750F > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:37:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-30 18:25:12 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > 90....unless > it was on a race track. >> > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed when > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, i.e. > left lane only for passing. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: > From: "David Hawkins" > To: , , > Cc: , > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:24:21 -0700 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > > 90....unless > > it was on a race track. >> > > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed > when > > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, > i.e. > > left lane only for passing. > > Your last sentence makes my case. People in the U.S., in general, > have no idea what lane discipline is. I have had people actually slow > down when I bore down on the left lane with no one on the right...it's > the "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > > David H. otgrouch@XXXXXX > 93T 91NA 85NA 88SC parts car 89NA parts car > IMOC stuff http://www.twosrus.com/IMOC.htm > MKII Registry http://www.twosrus.com/registry.htm > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:53:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-31 09:22:10 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > >> > That is probably the thing I dislike most about the driving habits in the U.S. > It also sets up the very dangerous habit of passing on the right which is > extremely disconcerting for me to do, but the only way to get around a lane > hog. I used to flash my lights (as is done in Europe) but it doesn't seem to > cause the person in the left lane to move over. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: thetrick@XXXXXX > X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:52:00 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It was a very good turnout at yesterday's ride according to Alan: 27 bikes > left Chantilly, 20 bikes left Old Town, and 8 in one group (plus some > others elsewhere) assembled at ride's end at Reston Town Center (plus a > punch-drunk Sean Jordan, reeling from a long Saturday on the job :o). Both > the section through Clifton and Old Georgetown Pike were a blast to ride. > It was a bit hectic finding parking in Old Town, but most people managed to > squeeze into some spaces right on King Street. All in all, a very fun trip > for me and most others. > > Unfortunately, there was a rather serious accident on the trip. A elderly > couple turned in front of a rider on the section of the George Washington > Parkway between Route 1 and Mt Vernon. He was taken to the hospital in an > ambulance, but apparently could feel his extremities. There were witness > so I think everything will be in order legally. My information is sketchy > as I was ahead of him and wasn't able to talk to much with those who know > more. > > Tom > 1980 CX500D > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:56:03 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Content-type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="part0_896655363_boundary" > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Take a look, and email LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX if you'd be interested. > > Sean... > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Content-disposition: inline > > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX > To: JJenX69@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, PaulonWeb@XXXXXX, Skipngstns@XXXXXX, > StrmWatch@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, DCBurbs@XXXXXX, > Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, ChrystyD@XXXXXX, Yoggggi@XXXXXX, > ACAUGHY490@XXXXXX, MIC11111@XXXXXX, BSPposse@XXXXXX, AvgJayne@XXXXXX, > JBarr62995@XXXXXX, Jade28@XXXXXX, ArJay96@XXXXXX, SAT8300@XXXXXX, > BonePhd@XXXXXX, RDTXN@XXXXXX, Mark1651@XXXXXX, SlikRick91@XXXXXX > Subject: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:39:57 EDT > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a > Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And > the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, > === message truncated === _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 09:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19089; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25179; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05466 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 304 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3572B2BD.ACC6CA43@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:55:09 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: NOVA_MGR Saturday ride, the rider is ok! :) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank goodness! I'm glad he's ok! Dale Novamgr@XXXXXX wrote: > > NORTHERN VIRGINIA MOTORCYCLE GROUP RIDES (NOVA MGR) > > Dear fellow motorcycle enthusiasts, > <> > > > Bill Huson did send an Email to NOVA MGR today. It appears he is alright > after his accident, for the most part, and he had the following to say: > >Subj: oops... > >Date: 98-05-31 01:17:59 EDT > >From: bhuson@XXXXXX (William Huson) > >Reply-to: bhuson@XXXXXX > >To: Novamgr@XXXXXX > > > >Nothing like a splat to take the glow off a ride. Sorry, guys & gals. > >Hope y`all finished the ride... > > > >Anyone know where my bike went? Or should I say what's left of it. I > >need to retrieve my cell phone from the bags. > > > >And one note: Anyone who thinks wearing helmet is dumb is welcome to > >drop by my house - 5001 Wills Lane, Annandale - and take a good look at > >Shoei I had my head. It be crunched, folks. Methinks $250 is way cheaper > >than a new brain... > > > >Bill Huson > > I second Bill's feelings on helmet use. I hope you are able to ride with us > again soon, Bill. Let's all send Bill our best! > > <> > > >THAT’S ALL FOR NOW > I hope to see you on one of the upcoming rides. > > Thanks, > Alan R. Wheat > Send email to: Novamgr@XXXXXX > Group rides web site: http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html --------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.40]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 264 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:00:00 -0400 Received: from Novamgr@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 0ZLNa02999; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:45:52 +2000 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <2b4e64b0.357207d3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:45:52 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Herndon Police Poker Run Invitation and Update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 NORTHERN VIRGINIA MOTORCYCLE GROUP RIDES (NOVA MGR) Dear fellow motorcycle enthusiasts, >WHAT’S IN THIS E-MAIL? Here are the different topics you will find in this Email: >Invitation to the Herndon Police Department Poker Run this Saturday, June 6th. >Update >Bulletin Board (Updated 5/31/98) >If you are new to NOVA MGR >About NOVA MGR >For more information about NOVA MGR >How to stop receiving our announcements >INVITATION TO THE HERNDON POLICE DEPARTMENT POKER RUN THIS SATURDAY, JUNE 6th. Saturday, the Herndon Police Department will be holding their annual poker run to benefit Northern Virginia Hospice and Herndon F.O.P. Lodge 64. This will be the third one in a row for me and I can tell you it's my favorite poker run. Not only is the route typically good, but your $15 entry fee (pay at registration) includes a great lunch, poker hand, door prize ticket, and refreshments! Lone Star Steakhouse is expected to be fixing up their great burgers again this year, according to my source. The registration is at the Herndon Police Department from 8:30am to 11am. The last bike must return from the route to the Herndon Police Department by 3pm. The rain date would be the next day. If you are interested in attending with the NOVA MGR group, see below for the meeting location. For those of you who don't know what a poker run is, send me an Email at NOVAMGR@XXXXXX and I will give you a description. Be sure to foward this Email to a friend! As always, please arrive with a full tank of gas. Location - Meet for breakfast and pre-ride meeting at Wendy's Restaurant in front of Capital Expo Center, Chantilly. Time - 8:30am for breakfast. Group leaves after 8:50am riders meeting. Directions to the meeting place: 1) From Cap. Beltway take 66 WEST for ROUGHLY 15 minutes. 2) Take route 28 NORTH (towards Dulles Airport). 3) At the 5th light (I think) on 28, turn right on to Willard Road. 4) First intersection (no light), turn left into Capital Expo Center. 5) There will be a Wendy's there. Look for the bikes (unless you're first or very late). Note: There are two Wendy's in Chantilly, this is the one by Capital Expo Center off Willard Road. >UPDATE Thanks to all of you who have taken the time to attend one of our rides. Those of you who were fortunate enough to join the Night Riders event enjoyed the company of 27 motorcycles, which made parking in Old Town rather interesting. I can say that we get a lot of looks while we are going down the road. Thanks for the help from the volunteers who assisted in seeing the large group through the route. Send me your thoughts on the ride. I would be particularly interested in knowing what you thought of the views of the Potomac. Did anyone notice the cruise ships and the monuments of DC? On another note, the night was not mishap free for one rider, but it turned out to be an excellent ride for everyone else. Bill Huson did send an Email to NOVA MGR today. It appears he is alright after his accident, for the most part, and he had the following to say: >Subj: oops... >Date: 98-05-31 01:17:59 EDT >From: bhuson@XXXXXX (William Huson) >Reply-to: bhuson@XXXXXX >To: Novamgr@XXXXXX > >Nothing like a splat to take the glow off a ride. Sorry, guys & gals. >Hope y`all finished the ride... > >Anyone know where my bike went? Or should I say what's left of it. I >need to retrieve my cell phone from the bags. > >And one note: Anyone who thinks wearing helmet is dumb is welcome to >drop by my house - 5001 Wills Lane, Annandale - and take a good look at >Shoei I had my head. It be crunched, folks. Methinks $250 is way cheaper >than a new brain... > >Bill Huson I second Bill's feelings on helmet use. I hope you are able to ride with us again soon, Bill. Let's all send Bill our best! I have one request for those of you who are repeat riders or would like to lead some bikes. With the growing number of bikes showing up for our rides, we could really use some volunteers to divide the group into smaller and more manageable sections. I would like for the group to typically ride as a whole, but when traffic lights and cars break up the line, we need people who know the route and can help those in back rejoin the front. I prefer only to stop where it is safe for all riders to regroup. The shoulder of the road has had to do in the past, but a parking lot further ahead is always better. With secondary leaders helping separated bikes, we don't have to stop just because there is a change in direction because the rest of the group will find its way. So Email me if you want to volunteer to help out on any NOVA MGR ride. >BULLETIN BOARD (Updated 5/31/98) Fast Lane Cycles Dynojet Dynamometer Horsepower Shootout: Sunday, June 14 from 11 to 5. $15 to enter. 5 classes to enter. Trophy for highest horsepower and FREE jet kit for the lowest. > Fast Lane Cycles > 4215-B Walney Road > Chantilly, VA 20151 > 703.818.8890 > www.fastlanecycles.com =================================== Manassas Honda Rider's Club: Meetings held first Tuesday of each month at 7:30pm. You'll find them at the Old Country Buffet in Manassas. All motorcyclists can join. Their next poker run is August 8th at Manassas Honda. Registration is 9am to 11am and costs just $5.00. All bikes welcome. =================================== Hooters (Richmond) Bike Show: Saturday, June 13th 7912 W. Broad st., Richmond Registration 11am Show is 12pm - 4pm Registration if FREE!! Registered participants get 10% off food purchases. Live Band XL102 Diner live on the Air Photos with the Hooters Girls Plenty of Vendors Awards for all Classes (even Foreign) Proceeds benefit Special Olympics =================================== Gold Wing for Sale: Back injury forces sale of well-cared for immaculate, quick* '86 Aspencade (with many unmounted extras), custom 8.5 foot Cycle Shield (portable ride-in garage) and all mechanical history. All saddlebag refelctors lighted with turn signals and back-off brake lights on top trunk. All driving and lower lights independently wired to switches. Stereo, intercom and CB in helmet! Must see the Sweet Savage (members.aol.com/Winger1200/index.html) on site to truly appreciate - $6,500 (obo to good home only.) *(broken in hard!) Email Winger1200@XXXXXX =================================== Wanted: Inexpensive dirt bike 125cc or smaller that runs. Does not matter what year or what make. Email JoeVR5@XXXXXX. Will pick up. Manassas VA =================================== Starter Bike Wanted: Looking for a good starter bike for a petite woman. She doesn't want to spend more than a couple hundred until she can decide that driving as opposed to riding is her thing!! If anyone on your circuit has any info that might help...have them contact me: Zeusmonstr@XXXXXX. =================================== For Sale: 1994 Suzuki RF600R, Red, 11k miles, Corbin seat, New D204 tires, service manual, oil filters, etc. $3800 Leesburg, VA, email bnorton@XXXXXX =================================== Hooters Poker Run on June 6th: Registration from 8-10am. Starts and finishes at Hooters of Manassas. $10 per hand or 3 hands for $25. Breakfast will be available from 8-10am. All proceeds to benefit the VFW Post 1503 Relief Fund. =================================== Harley-Davidson for Sale: 1957 Straight Leg Frame, Wideglide Front Forks, 1960 Pan Engine (Stroked to 88.5 cubic inches), 12 Volt Singlefire Ignition, SU "Eliminator" Carburetor. Asking $10,500. Call Bill at 804-737-6146 or send Email to Cycle503@XXXXXX =================================== Help Needed: My centerstand bracket on my Kawasaki 750 Vulcan broke off of the frame. The bike is 5 years old. I have never heard of this happening to a bike before and wanted to know if anyone has had this happen to them on any make, model of bike. Also, I spoke to 2 dealers neither of which said they could fix it short of replacing the whole frame. Does anyone know of a good welder who thinks they may be able to weld the bracket back on? Also, Kawasaki said since it is out of warranty they can't help me. I feel that this shouldn't happen no matter how old the bike is, and does anyone know of some higher ups in Kawasaki that I could contact to get some compensation for this. Thank You, Steve Berto SBERTO@XXXXXX (703) 998-7600 ext 168 (8:30 - 5:30) >IF YOU ARE NEW TO NOVA MGR Welcome to those of you who recently joined our mailing list of ride notifications. I'm sure you will enjoy the activities we have planned throughout the year. We have approximately four hundred email addresses on the group's invitation list. We are not a club and we don't collect dues. We do ride with clubs sometimes and they may have a small fee for their events, but I will always inform you in advance of what your expenses may be on our rides if anything other than fuel. >ABOUT NOVA MGR All rides take place regardless of temperature, but if it is raining at the scheduled start of the ride then it will be canceled. We are not a "sport bike club" nor are we a "touring group", but the pace of the group is usually dictated by who shows up for a given ride. If we have wide variety of bikes for the ride, we may break into two or more groups with the faster riders leaving first. If the pace of a particular ride is too slow for you, feel free to go on ahead and wait for us at the next stop. If the pace of the group is too fast, we usually stop or slow before any major changes in direction to allow for the rear to catch up. Whatever the case may be, please don’t try to keep up with a particularly fast rider if you are not comfortable with that pace. We won’t leave you behind to get lost. All riders should feel welcome to attend any of our rides. The point of these group rides is to have stress-free day trips with others who aren’t committed to anything but enjoying their motorcycles. Hopefully, we will not have any politics or bias on the rides. Just come to ride and have fun. Please feel free to forward this email on to anyone who might want these announcements. Such persons don’t even need email if you want to print it out for them. If you have received this email from someone else and you want to be on the direct list yourself, send an email to Novamgr@XXXXXX. >FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT NOVA MGR Check out the web site at http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html for more information on the group rides. You'll find a calendar of upcoming rides as well as links to other motorcycle sites. >HOW TO STOP RECEIVING OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS If you prefer not to receive future announcements and invitations, please send a message to Novamgr@XXXXXX. >THAT’S ALL FOR NOW I hope to see you on one of the upcoming rides. Thanks, Alan R. Wheat Send email to: Novamgr@XXXXXX Group rides web site: http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html --------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 10:18:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19326; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25580; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06141 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA07669; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA00902; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:18:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601141803.EOQG4622@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Charles L. Rosen" CC: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dead Battery X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601141803.EOQG4622@[166.41.242.141]> >Well, I have finished recuperating from cervical spine surgery, had to bump >start my bike after 3 months of no riding (I know, I should have taken the >battery out, but friends kept promising to exercise her, and then bailed >out. I did have stabil in the tank.) Any how, I tried riding again today, >dead battery once again. As I am on call tonight, I had to take the truck >for fear of leaving the hospital on foot in the AM instead of bike. > >Anyhow, should I just buy a new battery? Any recs? or a week of trickle >charging? > >This on top of being incapacitated during mar-may ( the best riding time in >DC has me pissed off. > >Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > >-charles Charles, You didn't say how old the battery was before being stored. It might be a good Idea to just get a new one. Have it load tested at a shop to see that it is good or bad first. Sorry to hear about your hiatus from riding. Glad to hear you're doing ok. Now, it's time to ride again :) Todd ---------------------------------- Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Neurological Surgery George Washington University 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20037 page: (202) 994-3321 email: crosen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 10:35:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19499; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26106; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06570 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.57] (unverified [207.226.128.57]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 23:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Fender Bender club Date: Sun, 31 May 98 23:16:57 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Joined the fender kickers club this afternoon. Was coming home from parents house on the BMW (put on my Aeroflow headlight protector and the run'n'lites in the rear). Idiot tried to run me over once or maybe he just didn't see me. Tried to pass him. Same thing happened. Third time is the charm. After the third time, he was next to me at a stop light. Kicked him with my right foot. Now, here's the tricky part... I was at my parents house. They have a gravel driveway. The bits of gravel get stuck in the tread in my shoe. He gassed it as soon as I kicked. Gravel scrapes down side of car. I take off, he follows. Next stop light. Conversation goes like this: Him: "Look what you did to my car" Me: "Fuck you, you could have killed me" "I couldn't see you" "I saw your pointy head through the window. You didn't even look for me" "What about my car?" "Take me to court. If you can get my plate number. We'll both tell the judge that you tried to kill me" Dumbass (about 18 years old or so) reaches down to get pen and paper. Light goes green. I take off like a shot. I know the timing of the lights in that area, and know that if I give my bike full throttle, I can just squeeze into the next three lights before they go red (top speed never over 75. Lights are pretty close) Last I saw of the guy. I'm not proud of what I did, and consider myself quite lucky that he didn't have a gun. It's not something I'd do again (if I were thinking) But damn if I'm not glad there was some gravel in the tread of my boot. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 10:36:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19509; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26160; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06586 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA06285; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA03483; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA08677; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:22 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA08674; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:21 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8D2F.E87E42D0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:30:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 5 TEXT, 41 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Did anyone see the races at Summit Point this weekend? Did Collin and Brian get out and tear up the track?? - Ursulina begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C8.`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06 `P`.````S@<&``$` M!P`>`#,``0`U`0$@@ ,`#@```,X'!@`!``<`(P`U``$`/ $!"8 !`"$```!" M-#,Q.#,Y-$4S1#E$,3$Q03%"13 P.# U1D,Q1$-&0@`]!P$-@ 0``@````(` M`@`!!( !`"H```!$:60@86YY;VYE('-E92!T:&4@``B "" &``````# ````````1@`````VA0`` M`0````$`````````'@`)@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````-X4```$````! 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M1U]-4T; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.47] (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:12:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 11:16:46 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "Mersch, Tom" , "'DC Cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Add me to the list. Had a phone bill problem when I was in college. Paid it a few months late, but Equifax, even though they had received the information that it was paid didn't remove it until two years later when I was denied a loan because of their erroneous report. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:15:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20018; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27503; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07548 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA2523 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:07:53 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:12:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:15:13 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thomas_k_cox@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Many people insist that it is their god-given right to drive like a moron. Was in Germany a few years ago with a client and he had obtained an E500, at the time Benz's bad-ass sport sedan. He insisted on cruising the left lane of the Autobahn because "this car goes 155mph," making me nervous as hell. There we were, trundling along at 200kph (120 for us) in the passing lane when I looked back and saw a bike approaching, headlight flashing. I said, "you should move over, this guy wants to pass," and what does the genius do? He floors it. "This car does 155." By this time, the biker (on a ZX11) is on the rear bumper and he's livid, honking his horn and shaking his fist. "Move over, he's right up our ass," I remark as diplomatically as possible. He finally gets with the program and our German friend goes by but not before issuing the universal salute. My client looks as though he's suffering from shrinky-dink, so maybe this will help: "Mark, I know this car does 155. But that bike does 175." I think we started getting passed by Trabant drivers after that little episode. Cars still suck, Joe 86 Ninja >>> Thomas Cox - 6/1/98 9:09 AM >>> All, I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an accident. Has anyone heard any more about the rider that was involved in this accident? Is he "okay". Again, I enjoyed myself. This was my first ride with a group this large. I think it was very organized. Hats (Helmets) off to the organizer(s). Thomas 1997 FZR600 ---The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:36:01 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: NOVA ride, Saturday night. > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Well, I didn't make it to the ride, (work), but I did get off in time to go > and see who showed up at Reston Towncenter 'round midnight. Yay. Sounded like > a lot of fun, wish I had been there kids. Oh well....next time. > > -Sean Jordan > '83 VF750F > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:37:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-30 18:25:12 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > 90....unless > it was on a race track. >> > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed when > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, i.e. > left lane only for passing. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: > From: "David Hawkins" > To: , , > Cc: , > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:24:21 -0700 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > > 90....unless > > it was on a race track. >> > > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed > when > > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, > i.e. > > left lane only for passing. > > Your last sentence makes my case. People in the U.S., in general, > have no idea what lane discipline is. I have had people actually slow > down when I bore down on the left lane with no one on the right...it's > the "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > > David H. otgrouch@XXXXXX > 93T 91NA 85NA 88SC parts car 89NA parts car > IMOC stuff http://www.twosrus.com/IMOC.htm > MKII Registry http://www.twosrus.com/registry.htm > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:53:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-31 09:22:10 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > >> > That is probably the thing I dislike most about the driving habits in the U.S. > It also sets up the very dangerous habit of passing on the right which is > extremely disconcerting for me to do, but the only way to get around a lane > hog. I used to flash my lights (as is done in Europe) but it doesn't seem to > cause the person in the left lane to move over. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: thetrick@XXXXXX > X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:52:00 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It was a very good turnout at yesterday's ride according to Alan: 27 bikes > left Chantilly, 20 bikes left Old Town, and 8 in one group (plus some > others elsewhere) assembled at ride's end at Reston Town Center (plus a > punch-drunk Sean Jordan, reeling from a long Saturday on the job :o). Both > the section through Clifton and Old Georgetown Pike were a blast to ride. > It was a bit hectic finding parking in Old Town, but most people managed to > squeeze into some spaces right on King Street. All in all, a very fun trip > for me and most others. > > Unfortunately, there was a rather serious accident on the trip. A elderly > couple turned in front of a rider on the section of the George Washington > Parkway between Route 1 and Mt Vernon. He was taken to the hospital in an > ambulance, but apparently could feel his extremities. There were witness > so I think everything will be in order legally. My information is sketchy > as I was ahead of him and wasn't able to talk to much with those who know > more. > > Tom > 1980 CX500D > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:56:03 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Content-type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="part0_896655363_boundary" > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Take a look, and email LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX if you'd be interested. > > Sean... > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Content-disposition: inline > > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX > To: JJenX69@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, PaulonWeb@XXXXXX, Skipngstns@XXXXXX, > StrmWatch@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, DCBurbs@XXXXXX, > Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, ChrystyD@XXXXXX, Yoggggi@XXXXXX, > ACAUGHY490@XXXXXX, MIC11111@XXXXXX, BSPposse@XXXXXX, AvgJayne@XXXXXX, > JBarr62995@XXXXXX, Jade28@XXXXXX, ArJay96@XXXXXX, SAT8300@XXXXXX, > BonePhd@XXXXXX, RDTXN@XXXXXX, Mark1651@XXXXXX, SlikRick91@XXXXXX > Subject: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:39:57 EDT > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a > Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And > the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, > === message truncated === _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:19:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20100; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27640; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07652 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.130]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601151831.ZFR20489@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:18:31 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601111641.00725750@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:16:41 -0400 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ursulina-- Collin was out for the school session, but I'd left by then. Alan Lapp was supposed to ride Brians bike sunday. God it was hot and humid sunday! I'm glad Krista and I did our race watching on Saturday! I want to know if anybody showed up to get the tickets I left under a rock!?!? see ya Kevin At 07:30 AM 6/1/98 -0700, you wrote: >Did anyone see the races at Summit Point this weekend? 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:33:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20318; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28102; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08005 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA10239; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA27832; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:33:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Allen Wheat , Thomas Cox CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> >All, >I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I >noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as >though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am >saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an >accident. Just a reminder to everyone who rides in a group, especially a large group. The group is not a single vehicle. The bikes that make the group are. This means that another vehicle must be given right of way when signalling to do so regardless that you may be riding in a large group. >From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue the ride. Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the accident? Allen? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:48:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20519; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28690; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08469 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA22130 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA18102 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:48:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601154808.BWVR20960@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:48:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Summit Point/Collin/Heat X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601154808.BWVR20960@[166.41.242.141]> Spent Saturday and Sunday in corner 1 and 10 this weekend. Both days were very hot, though Sunday was a tad more breezy. The racing was CCS, a fairly good crop of racers. Highlights included no new track records (current is David Yakov at 1:17:??), Brian Beemisterfer(SP, totally mangled) on his new Buell Lightning not running very well, Rick Beggs pulls a victory wheely on cool down lap up the straights at 8 and gets it too far up....and over =:0, a flagger in turn one calls for red flag then pulls his shoulder from the socket waving it =:0, lot's of bikini clad sweeties ;-). Collin Fagen showed up a little late on Saturday working feverishly to finish the tech work to his GSXR750. Apparently he did since he participated in race school and got to race once on Sunday. I'll leave the details he experienced to him, but I will say that during the mock racing (for students) on Saturday afternoon, he was turning 1:28:50 just before the race was cancelled. Oh yeah, he was leading out front. DC-Cycles faces seen at the track: Leon Begeman and his daughter, Kevin Thomas and fiance (Christa?), Brian McCoy working corners and watching his RS125 being raced by ex-lister Alan Lapp, Collin Fagen, Steve Harris (though I never got a chance to come over and say Hi). Anyone else I just missed? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:00:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20665; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29250; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08881 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBGIa14282 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f2de42b.3572d001@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:00 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: two more aerostich suits for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Hello, I just got two one-piece Roadcrafter suits, and I'll be posting them on my web site in a few hours. Both are in excellent condition and not the least bit faded. The first one is size 36S, red with blue ballistic patches. The Aerostich size chart say this size is for people 5'4", 120-140 lbs and 30" waist. I think you could be a few inches taller and it would still be ok. The second is size 44, red with gray ballistic patches. Size chart says 5'11", 165-200, 38" waist. I think 165-lb people would probably find this suit too roomy. prices: 36S - $400 44 - $425 If you look on my web site, you will see these items priced slightly higher. The prices mentioned above apply if you come pick up the suits. Don't forget this is a legal biz and I have to collect 5% sales tax. thanks, Colleen 301/589-6549 http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:05:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20733; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29408; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09081 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.121]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601160520.VBBT9946@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:05:20 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601120328.007266fc@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:03:28 -0400 To: jaynik@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jay-- Sorry, no I meant that Collin was going to ride in the school session. When I spoke to him, he was on the way to the classroom. Kevin At 11:54 AM 6/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Kevin, > >What do you mean Collin was out for the school session? Is that bad? >Or do you mean that he was in the middle of school? > > >KL>Collin was out for the school session, but I'd left by then. Alan Lapp was >KL>supposed to ride Brians bike sunday. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:20:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20910; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00580; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09454 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08183 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011616.AA08183@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:14:57 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: AWheat@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thomas_k_cox@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. He's fine, I'm just going to email him and see how sore he is... I was two bikes back from him (and in his line) when he t-boned the car...very scary there for awhile...there was no way he could of avoided the car either..they just literally cut right in front of him less than 10 feet in front of him..he locked up his brakes and I locked up mine..then he hit just behind the rear passenger tire, big dent in the late model Caprice (or similiar tub like cage), and then sailed over the rear trunk of the car..when he landed, he hit his head first, helmet has a huge gouge in the helmet just above the right eyebrow..he landed head first with his feet almost straight up, then rolled (his body was shaped like a forward slash "/" with is head at the lower left portion of the slash if you get what I mean), then he rolled about four or five times and ended up facing up... he was coherent and, like a true biker, wanted a cigarette..he seemed more shook up than seriously hurt thank god, but some passersby in a cage (two cute girls btw), called 911 for us. There was a fair amount of traffic on the road for that time in the evening (around 9:30-10:00) and I was suprised to see how many people stopped and asked us if we needed any help or if 911 had been called. The bike, a late model HD, I believe an Ultra Classic or similiar model, is pretty toasted..the entire front end is crushed and the rim was shattered all over the road...I wouldn't be suprised if it's written off as a total loss..too bad too since it was a really pretty bike...when he hit the car, I nearly hit him and had to suddenly veer around him while he rolled right past me as I went around the crushed bike and cage...good thing we weren't going any faster than about 30mph...! ...I'm sure that Bill is very happy that he was wearing a helmet! ...Incidently, after we were sure that Bill was ok and being taken care of by the EMS folks (Fairfaxs finest and the EMS crew showed up less than 5 min after the 911 call...big kudos for them!), I asked the old lady who was passenger in the cage that hit him how she was feeling, she, and (I guess) her husband (who was driving, both seemed to be in the 80's btw) seemed to be in a daze and didn't really seem to understand what they just did...when I asked her if she was ok, she just said, "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... -gawd... incidently, I'm thinking about taking a rain check on any future evening runs...it's dangerous enough during the daytime but nighttime driving takes on a whole new dimension of it's own..we were in formation, with *lots* of headlights (Bill had THREE) and STILL some brain dead cager tried to kill one of us...on the way home on Rt 7, I was almost run off the road, not once, but TWICE by cagers that didn't even look to see if there was anyone in the lane next to them..very scary....THEN before THAT, I was on Rt 1 heading up towards 495 when I saw this cage come zooming up behind me and lay on his horn (we were in heavy traffic going about 30mph), he moves in the left lane (I was in the center lane), and rolls down his passenger window and starts yelling at me! I could make out something about "GODDAMN motorcycles are all pieces of shit and are bastards that shouldn't be allowed on the road and if I didn't get off HIS road, he was going to run me off the road to teach me a lesson!" Now mind you that I had been in the center lane for atleast 5 miles going the flow of traffic so I know I didn't cut him off earlier or anything like that..I vaguely remember him pulling out of a parking lot about a mile before he zoomed up behind me...after hurling those lovely remarks at me, he punched it and damn near ran three cars off the road racing down the road...all the while yelling at the top of his lungs...looked like a young Army guy.. complete nut case..... -aki > > >All, > >I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I > >noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as > >though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am > >saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an > >accident. > > Just a reminder to everyone who rides in a group, especially a large > group. The group is not a single vehicle. The bikes that make the > group are. This means that another vehicle must be given right of > way when signalling to do so regardless that you may be riding in a > large group. > > From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just > a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being > experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to > get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue > the ride. > > Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the > accident? Allen? > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:37:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21119; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01337; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10072 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806011637.MAA10072@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id L7XFA2NK; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:48:07 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:34:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride In-Reply-To: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:22 AM 6/1/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >>From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just >a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being >experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to >get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue >the ride. I make a point of letting cars in when necessary and did several times on Saturday night... but I did notice some strange behavior. When we were nearing the end of the GW Parkway, there were signs indicating that the right lane was ending due to construction. The whole group was already in the left lane, and I was riding last at that point. A limo that was behind me in the left lane proceeded to move over into the right lane (which was ending) and pass me on the right. He then passed the next two bikes, ran out of lane, signaled and moved back over, separating the three of us from the rest of the group. I guess he didn't like driving behind me, or maybe wanted to get a better look at the other bikes?!? Then I wound up getting stuck behind a teeny car (Geo Metro type) for quite a while on Old Georgetown Pike. Ugh! Once he finally turned off I was able to catch up with a rider who had hung back from the group (to wait for me I guess), and we went on some cool twisty roads as a shortcut to Reston Towncenter. Almost beat the rest of the group there! At that point I was feeling pretty tired so I headed home. Definitely an enjoyable ride (apart from the accident). >Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the >accident? Allen? >From what I heard, he was riding in the middle of the group of motorcycles (or at least he wasn't the first in line). An elderly couple was waiting to pull out, and waited for at least one bike to go by. They then pulled out directly in front of the gentleman on the Harley, who hit the car broadside near the back wheel on the driver's side. The front of his bike was demolished, and there was quite a bit of damage to the car. He apparently flew over the car, and landed on his head. Thank god he was wearing a real helmet! The next bike following him was in the left part of the lane, and was able to swerve around the car. Apparently the next bike in line was in the right part (staggered formation) and barely missed being involved in the accident as well. All of this is second hand as I was in the first group and we didn't find out about the accident until we got to Old Town. I'm glad that the rider wasn't too badly hurt... definitely a sobering experience. I had been riding behind him for the beginning part of the ride, and it made me realize that it could have easily been me... I will continue to be extra wary of any cars waiting to make a turn in front of me! Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:57:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21333; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01905; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from widgetworks.com (known homer.widgetworks.com [204.71.245.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10682 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by widgetworks.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA28090; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:56:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Johansson Message-Id: <199806011656.MAA28090@widgetworks.com> Subject: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:56:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee (LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX) writes: > As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a > Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And > the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, > sexual or bike preference) are quite a distance from Annapolis. Are you sure you aren't giving in to stereotypes? I've never found a a rider group where I wasn't welcome. Just show up wherever you see bikes parked and start chatting people up. An even better place to meet people is at rallies. Fortunately, I'm surrounded by a lot of riders: five of the nine people in my company ride (3 male and 2 female); my girlfriend rides; several of my clients ride; and I live in Fells Pt. which is Baltimore's bike gathering spot. Curiously enough, a lot of casual rides I take are split quite close to 50% male 50% female and often there are often as many bike manufacturers represented as bikes. Last year I made a pretty good habit of posting all of my day-long or weekend-long rides to the balt-cycles list in hopes of soliciting additional riders. I've been a bit lax this year, but that's been mostly because I just haven't had my act together recently. Peter Johansson peter@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:58:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21358; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01925; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10724 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p204.smart.net [206.97.127.204]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12436; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3572DE40.D8D14A50@smart.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:00:49 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 References: <199806011616.AA08183@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: > bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. [snip] > "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by > the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... This makes me sick. Are you telling us that she tried to blame the accident on Bill? There must be X number of witnesses who gave statements to the contrary, correct? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:00:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21406; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01980; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10802 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA19309; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3572DAE1.A31C48DE@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:46:25 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: klthomas@XXXXXX CC: jaynik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? References: <3.0.3.32.19980601120328.007266fc@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since Collin is a Track Day today, he won't be able to defend himself. As was mentioned, he did very well on Saturday, leading the rest of the students around the track at the 'race' at the end of school. Saturday Collin complained about his tires sliding around in the corners, he was riding street compound Dunlop D207s. On Sunday he bought a pair of used tires and put them on the bike. The tires changed the bike, instead of sliding through the corners, he said it did very well. However on the main straight the head shake was so bad he couldn't get into top gear. His first comment after the race was "Whose idea was it to change tires anyway?" Because his bike doesn't have bodywork, he was only eligible for one race on Sunday. I think it was 'unlimited sportbike' or some other class that meant there were a lot of big bikes and very good riders out there. As a new rider, Collin was gridded as the last bike in the third (last) wave of riders. There was a lot of 'agricultural' racing, probably due to the number of riders, but perhaps also because this was a mixed field of experts, amateurs and blue-shirts. Collin finished as the last rider that didn't get lapped. In addition to the 3 or more bikes that went off the track, there were at least 6 that did get lapped. Leon. klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > > Jay-- > > Sorry, no I meant that Collin was going to ride in the school session. > When I spoke to him, he was on the way to the classroom. > > Kevin > > At 11:54 AM 6/1/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Kevin, > > > >What do you mean Collin was out for the school session? Is that bad? > >Or do you mean that he was in the middle of school? > > > > > >KL>Collin was out for the school session, but I'd left by then. Alan Lapp was > >KL>supposed to ride Brians bike sunday. > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:07:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21471; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02179; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11041 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:35 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA11016 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011707.AA11016@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:06:08 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: tgimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3572DE40.D8D14A50@smart.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME quite honestly, I don't even think she (or he) had any idea what happened...he was walking around taking the license plate numbers off the backs of our bikes..bad idea since we certainly aren't going to testify *for* him! I was suprised that after he hit Bill, he (or she) didn't even come over to see if he was ok! They were more concerned about the dent in *their* car! makes me sick to think about it personally... -aki > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: > > bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. > > [snip] > > > "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by > > the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... > > This makes me sick. > > Are you telling us that she tried to blame the accident on Bill? There must > be X number of witnesses who gave statements to the contrary, correct? > > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:40:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21921; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03925; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12034 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A7183130292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:38:32 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601130528.00e93a80@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:05:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 In-Reply-To: <19980601130931.4697.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:09 AM 6/1/98 -0700, Thomas Cox wrote: >All, >I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I >noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as >though many went out of their way to break our "formation". Large groups of motorcycles can easily be viewed as just rolling roadblocks. When I ride I prefer groups no larger than 5 at a time, unless the entire procession is under police escort and police monitoring (escort up front, with some officers running sweep to keep the cars at bay). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:39:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21919; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03924; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12032 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A7193130292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:38:33 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601131152.00e93a80@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:11:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:16 PM 5/31/98 -0400, you wrote: >Joined the fender kickers club this afternoon. ... >"I couldn't see you" > >"I saw your pointy head through the window. You didn't even look for me" ... Some days life sucks. A friend was trying to turn left off a 2-lane road when a girl in a sport utility vehicle decided to cross the center line and pass him as he made his turn. She hit is front wheel, fortunately not him or his whole bike at once. The bitch stopped, and now the insurance companies and lawyers are involved. 4 broken ribs, unknown leg damage, mild road rash, much pain. He's off work for 2 weeks, and the docs expect he'll be out of action for 8-10 months. They're not ALL trying to kill us, it just feels that way. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:40:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21920; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03928; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12033 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A71A3130292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:38:34 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601134021.010c62c0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:40:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 In-Reply-To: <199806011616.AA08183@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > ... on Rt 7, I was almost run off the road, not once, but TWICE by >cagers that didn't even look to see if there was anyone in the >lane next to them..very scary.... I've gotten so I just won't ride beside a car driver. I'll pass them, but if I can't get clear in front due to traffic, then I brake until I'm behind his rear bumper. I realize this puts me in their blind spot, but at least I can't get hit if he decides to change lanes without looking. Then I get a chance to set off the horns and try to give him a heart attack. >... when I saw this cage come zooming up behind >me and lay on his horn (we were in heavy traffic going about 30mph), >he moves in the left lane (I was in the center lane), and rolls >down his passenger window and starts yelling at me! I could make >out something about "GODDAMN motorcycles are all pieces of shit and >are bastards that shouldn't be allowed on the road and if I didn't >get off HIS road, he was going to run me off the road to teach me >a lesson!" Too bad you couldn't get his tag no. and turn him in. Fairfax County police will take reports of aggressive drivers and send out a warning (at least that's what I read in a newspaper article). All we can do is get the hell out of the way - there's just no better way to deal with people like that. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:07:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22312; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04752; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12914 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA25824; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma025761; Mon, 1 Jun 98 14:06:42 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Sat Night Ride Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anita Lauro writes: >A limo that was behind >me in the left lane proceeded to move over into the right lane (which was >ending) and pass me on the right. He then passed the next two bikes, ran >out of lane, signaled and moved back over, separating the three of us from >the rest of the group. I guess he didn't like driving behind me, or maybe >wanted to get a better look at the other bikes?!? Actually, I doubt it has much to do with the bikes... this is standard behavior around here. Every night, I come off the Dulles Toll Road, in the left lane because I'm heading for 66 east. Every night, people pull into the merge lane off the airport access road, which is about the end (since it's only there to let people merge from the access road onto the connector between the toll road, beltway, and 66) and try to get a car length ahead. Usually when they do this, it's very easy to pull up past them... so their attempt to pass in a merge lane leaves them farther back than they would have been if they'd just stayed put. Aggression is no substitute for brains. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:08:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22347; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04909; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12972 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADD53550292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:07:17 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601135239.00ea57b0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:52:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* In-Reply-To: <199806011656.MAA28090@widgetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Lee (LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX) writes: > >> As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a >> Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And >> the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, >> sexual or bike preference) are quite a distance from Annapolis. Yow! Sounds like you're around some real neanderthals. I recommend trying: 1. the Honda Sport Touring Assoc. (who don't care if you ride a Honda or not, about a third of the members are non-Honda). There's chapters in every state, and the Maryland head live and works in Annapolis. 2. Potomac Area Road Riders - an old group from Virginia, has people all over. 3. Women On Wheels - women only. There's several Maryland chapters. 4. CAMS - a spin-off from dc-cycles, who have only two rules-- 1. No drinking and riding. 2. No other rules. 5. dc-cycles-- this list has generated quite a lot of interest and riding recently. I've ridden with all the groups above, and aside from some deserved criticism of bikes that get more miles in pickup trucks than on their own wheels, everyone has been pretty laid back about who you are and what you ride. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:09:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22370; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05013; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12994 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:23:01 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 046AB3572CB5E003-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 046AB3572CB5E003 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <046AB3572CB5E003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: No List E-mail since Friday MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <046AB3572CB5E003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Is the DC Cycles list server working? I have received no e-mail from the list since Friday. My office tells me our system is working properly so any problem must be on the other end. Anyone else with a similar problem? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:15:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22427; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05379; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13158 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA14754 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011814.AA14754@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:12:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride To: 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806011637.MAA10072@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > At 11:22 AM 6/1/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > > >Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the > >accident? Allen? > > From what I heard, he was riding in the middle of the group of motorcycles > (or at least he wasn't the first in line). ...actually he was third from last..I was bringing up the rear... > An elderly couple was waiting > to pull out, and waited for at least one bike to go by. They then pulled > out directly in front of the gentleman on the Harley, who hit the car > broadside near the back wheel on the driver's side. ...the elderly couple was oncoming, they wanted to make a left hand turn crossing over our lane, they didn't wait for *anyone*, they just cut right in front of Bill...he t-boned it just behind the passengers rear wheel. >The front of his bike > was demolished, and there was quite a bit of damage to the car. He > apparently flew over the car, and landed on his head. Thank god he was > wearing a real helmet! ..actually the damage wasn't that bad on the cage..just the rear fender well was punched in..probably less than $1k of damage to the cage. The bike was another story... >The next bike following him was in the left part of > the lane, and was able to swerve around the car. Apparently the next bike > in line was in the right part (staggered formation) and barely missed being > involved in the accident as well. ..that was me..I wasn't as concerned about hitting the cage as I was running over Bill... > All of this is second hand as I was in > the first group and we didn't find out about the accident until we got to > Old Town. I'm glad that the rider wasn't too badly hurt... definitely a > sobering experience. I had been riding behind him for the beginning part > of the ride, and it made me realize that it could have easily been me... I > will continue to be extra wary of any cars waiting to make a turn in front > of me! amen! -aki > > > X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:18:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22489; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05538; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (known jefferson.patriot.net [206.151.9.249]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13275 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bhuson.patriot.net (th-2-5.patriot.net [206.29.51.57]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03127 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:15:21 -0400 From: William Huson Reply-To: bhuson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I'm alive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, y`all Joe gave me this addy. I'm the rider who went for an asphalt luge without a sled after the geezer-mobile made a leftie in front of my face. T-Bone city. Methinks my Harley is totaled, but my old body is still wiggling. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:23:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22569; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05975; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13498 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 269; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3572F19C.A94F539F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:23:24 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: horns References: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> <3.0.1.32.19980601134021.010c62c0@norloff.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > >I realize this puts me in their blind spot, but at least > I can't get hit if he decides to change lanes without looking. Then I get > a chance to set off the horns and try to give him a heart attack. -- Hahahaha! I'm glad I wasn't sipping from my water bottle when I was reading this, or I'd a snorted water all over the monitor and keyboard when I busted out laughing. :-) Oh well, I guess I needed a humor break there. Thanks! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:33:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22703; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06505; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14083 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806011832.OAA14083@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id L7XFA2RT; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:43:19 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:30:06 -0400 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806011814.AA14754@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <199806011637.MAA10072@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:12 PM 6/1/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: >...the elderly couple was oncoming, they wanted to make a left >hand turn crossing over our lane, they didn't wait for *anyone*, >they just cut right in front of Bill...he t-boned it just behind >the passengers rear wheel. Okay, this makes much more sense than my version! Unfortunately I had already sent my "second hand not very accurate version" before I got Aki's message. Anyhow, I remember that in my MSF course they said that the famous "car turns left in front of motorcycle" is the cause of a large percentage of car/motorcycle accidents. No kidding! Whether I'm in my car or on my motorcycle, I always try to err on the side of caution when turning in front of traffic, or pulling out. Sometimes it is really hard to judge just how fast that oncoming traffic is going! Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:41:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22838; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07091; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14494 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27961; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806011840.OAA27961@meretrix.com> To: "Burger, Donald " cc: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: Re: No List E-mail since Friday In-reply-to: Your message of "01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 EDT." <046AB3572CB5E003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:40:00 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Is the DC Cycles list server working? I have received no e-mail from the >list since Friday. My office tells me our system is working properly so >any problem must be on the other end. Anyone else with a similar >problem? Messages to our 'dot.gov' ("dot dot gov?") subscribers are not getting through because smtp connections to 'usdotmh.dot.gov' are timing out. You might want to go bang on the sysadmin types at your end. KAA25581 1237 Mon Jun 1 10:18 dc-cycles-request (Deferred: Connection timed out with usdotmh.dot.gov.) Jeffrey.Denny@XXXXXX Donald.Burger@XXXXXX [tove ~ 4]telnet usdotmh.dot.gov 25 Trying 152.119.25.10 ... telnet: connect: Connection timed out telnet> quit -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:49:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22991; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07593; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14996 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 376; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3572F7A2.8BDD7C3C@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:49:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm alive References: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another opportunity real soon! Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be good to you. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 William Huson wrote: > > Hello, y`all > > Joe gave me this addy. I'm the rider who went for an asphalt luge > without a sled after the geezer-mobile made a leftie in front of my > face. T-Bone city. > > Methinks my Harley is totaled, but my old body is still wiggling. > > Bill -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:04:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23216; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08432; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15643 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p183.smart.net [206.97.127.183]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16933; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3572FB75.81408271@smart.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:05:26 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm alive References: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> <3572F7A2.8BDD7C3C@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to it is bound to make very few friends on a jury. Dale Horstman wrote: > Bill, > > I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the > chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another > opportunity real soon! > > Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. > I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be > good to you. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:14:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23363; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08762; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15987 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA28170; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12815; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601191348.UCV11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: klthomas@XXXXXX, jaynik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601191348.UCV11142@[166.41.242.141]> Just a few minor corrections to an otherwise accurate account of events concerning Collin Fagens debut as a LICENSED racer: >Since Collin is a Track Day today, he won't be able to defend himself. >As was mentioned, he did very well on Saturday, leading the rest of the >students around the track at the 'race' at the end of school. > >Saturday Collin complained about his tires sliding around in the >corners, he was riding street compound Dunlop D207s. On Sunday he >bought a pair of used tires and put them on the bike. He was running D204 Street and bought a pair of D207s for $50 >The tires changed >the bike, instead of sliding through the corners, he said it did very >well. However on the main straight the head shake was so bad he >couldn't get into top gear. His first comment after the race was "Whose >idea was it to change tires anyway?" > >Because his bike doesn't have bodywork, he was only eligible for one >race on Sunday. I think it was 'unlimited sportbike' or some other >class that meant there were a lot of big bikes and very good riders out >there. Superbike Amateur - though there were some experts racing this event. >As a new rider, Collin was gridded as the last bike in the third (last) >wave of riders. There was a lot of 'agricultural' racing, probably due >to the number of riders, but perhaps also because this was a mixed field >of experts, amateurs and blue-shirts. Collin finished as the last rider >that didn't get lapped. In addition to the 3 or more bikes that went >off the track, there were at least 6 that did get lapped. He and one other guy in the last wave, gridded last. He was able to pass eight other riders successfully out of close to 40 bikes on track, I believe there were 6 in his grid. He did fairly well considering the obstacles - traffic, tank slap at speed, no tuning to bike at all. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:14:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23367; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08758; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15979 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA28125; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA25529; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:13:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601191343.UCN11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601191343.UCN11142@[166.41.242.141]> I believe you mentioned in an earlier post that this was an elderly couple. They certainly sounded rather righteous about the encounter, as if they could not possibly be in the wrong. Isn't that the way for some older more stubborn types? Did the police show up? Was the driver charged with failure to yeild right of way? The exhasparation of losing your ride will be worse if you can't force this old fart to pay-up. In any case, I'm glad to hear you're ok Bill. Todd -------------------------- quite honestly, I don't even think she (or he) had any idea what happened...he was walking around taking the license plate numbers off the backs of our bikes..bad idea since we certainly aren't going to testify *for* him! I was suprised that after he hit Bill, he (or she) didn't even come over to see if he was ok! They were more concerned about the dent in *their* car! makes me sick to think about it personally... -aki > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: > > bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. > > [snip] > > > "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by > > the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... > > This makes me sick. > > Are you telling us that she tried to blame the accident on Bill? There must > be X number of witnesses who gave statements to the contrary, correct? > > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:20:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23440; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08916; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16105 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yga7e-0004Fe-01; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:19:55 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , Dale Horstman Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:19:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, I agree, perhaps these people need to be taken off the roads and this is just the way to do it... eye exam, anyone!!?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:05 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his > automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to > it > is bound to make very few friends on a jury. > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the > > chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another > > opportunity real soon! > > > > Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. > > I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be > > good to you. > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:36:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23669; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09582; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16723 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA18835 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:33:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011933.AA18835@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:33:15 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:33:15 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:33:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:30:31 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601191343.UCN11142@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > > I believe you mentioned in an earlier post that this was an elderly > couple. They certainly sounded rather righteous about the encounter, > as if they could not possibly be in the wrong. Isn't that the way > for some older more stubborn types? ..actually,I didn't get the impression that they were trying to blame anyone else for the accident..it was like they both were turbo senile and didn't even have a clue as to what happened...the driver (the husband I guess), was walking around with a notepad writing down motorcycle plate numbers and mumbling to himself while his wife,SO, main-wrinkly squeeze(?), kinda just stared off into outer space... > > Did the police show up? Was the driver charged with failure to yeild > right of way? ..the EMS and Police showed up REAL fast..couldn't have been more than 5 minutes tops....I was impressed...and the cop said that sadly he could probably only cite the cager for failing to yield...personally attempted murder or atleast attempted manslaughter would of been nice... >The exhasparation of losing your ride will be worse > if you can't force this old fart to pay-up. In any case, I'm glad > to hear you're ok Bill. ...no kidding...good thing Bill was on a hog and not a small dirt bike...the big bike took much of the brunt of the hit... -aki > > Todd > > -------------------------- > > quite honestly, I don't even think she (or he) had any idea > what happened...he was walking around taking the license plate > numbers off the backs of our bikes..bad idea since we certainly > aren't going to testify *for* him! I was suprised that after he > hit Bill, he (or she) didn't even come over to see if he was ok! > They were more concerned about the dent in *their* car! > > makes me sick to think about it personally... > > > > -aki > > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: > > > bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. > > > > [snip] > > > > > "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by > > > the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... > > > > This makes me sick. > > > > Are you telling us that she tried to blame the accident on Bill? There > must > > be X number of witnesses who gave statements to the contrary, correct? > > > > > > -- > > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:45:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23832; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10238; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17079 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:45:05 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA19309 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:44:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011944.AA19309@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:44:45 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:44:45 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:44:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:43:08 -0400 Subject: oh man I'm riding my cage tonight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME oh man..in light of all the near misses I've had last weekend, I just read my horoscope...think I'll be taking the cage anywhere I go tonight! *************************** * Horoscope for Capricorn * *************************** The Sun is in Gemini and the Moon is in Virgo. This signals a rather awkward situation to find yourself in. Travel beckons, but work insists. If you're doing business with foreigners, be careful. You need to watch out for errors in communications. Unintentionally, one of you might say something you don't really mean. If you wonder at all, ask for clarification. Also, be careful when you're driving. People will be doing all sorts of strange things on the highways. Best to send out for what you need. You'll get more accomplished. It'll be hard enough to concentrate if you stay in one place. If you must travel, allow extra time and watch where you're going. ....scary huh? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:49:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23898; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10434; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17161 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A54F1250274; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:47:27 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601154903.00eaab90@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:49:03 -0400 To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I'm alive In-Reply-To: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:15 PM 6/1/98 -0400, William Huson wrote: >Hello, y`all > >Joe gave me this addy. I'm the rider who went for an asphalt luge >without a sled after the geezer-mobile made a leftie in front of my >face. T-Bone city. > >Methinks my Harley is totaled, but my old body is still wiggling. > >Bill Good! Thank heavens for good protective gear. Hope you can do something about the geezer - sounds like he's not fit to drive on public roads. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23961; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10618; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17355 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA04031; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:55:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA04452; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601195508.DPKA20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:55:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: klthomas@XXXXXX CC: "Mersch, Tom" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601195508.DPKA20960@[166.41.242.141]> Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially when no violation of law has been proven. Todd >Y'all-- > >I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >tickets issued or police report written. > >Equifax sucks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 16:14:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24277; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12029; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17891 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:14:50 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPSAa02614; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <82aa5a50.35730ad5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:11:00 EDT To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX Cc: merscht@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Equifax Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Perhaps a HUGE petition to the Better Business Bureau?? Or a class-action lawsuit...... Marcy In a message dated 98-06-01 16:00:20 EDT, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially when no violation of law has been proven. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 16:27:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24433; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12319; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18149 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA11942; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09227; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:25:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601202511.DVBT20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:25:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: oh man I'm riding my cage tonight X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601202511.DVBT20960@[166.41.242.141]> >oh man..in light of all the near misses I've had last weekend, >I just read my horoscope...think I'll be taking the cage anywhere >I go tonight! > > *************************** > * Horoscope for Capricorn * > *************************** > > The Sun is in Gemini and the Moon is in Virgo. This signals a rather awkward > situation to find yourself in. Travel beckons, but work insists. If you're >doing > >....scary huh? > >-aki What it says? or that you actually believe it? ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 17:29:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25632; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15346; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20093 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id RAA12484; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma012393; Mon, 1 Jun 98 17:27:17 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain All the info Equifax is collecting is public records (accident reports, traffic citations, etc.), so I think you have no hope of stopping them. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:47 PM To: klthomas@XXXXXX Cc: Mersch, Tom; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Equifax Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially when no violation of law has been proven. Todd >Y'all-- > >I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >tickets issued or police report written. > >Equifax sucks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 17:45:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26229; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16466; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21168 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01065; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:45:07 -0400 Message-ID: <357320C3.EA59424C@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:44:35 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: bhuson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm alive References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill is certainly entitled to collect adequate compensation for his time, damage and injuries. Given that there were plenty of witnesses, I would hope this could be done swiftly. As an aspiring old fart, I'd prefer that no one be 'taken off the roads' If living in a jungle is the price to pay until then, so be it. I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads open to anyone anytime for any reason. Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Yes, I agree, perhaps these people need to be taken off the roads and > this is just the way to do it... > eye exam, anyone!!?? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:05 PM > > To: Dale Horstman > > Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > > > Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his > > automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to > > it > > is bound to make very few friends on a jury. > > > > -- > > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 17:58:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26806; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16864; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21919 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:58:35 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.78.198]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601215803.BXGC9946@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:58:03 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601175614.006dbc50@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:56:14 -0400 To: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Equifax Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601195508.DPKA20960@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Todd Charges and judgements (tickets issued or insurance claims paid) are of public record, so anyone is welcome to it. When you apply for credit you give permission to check you out and to repot problems. You can dispute the facts involved if there is a discrepancy, same as on your credit report, but that's it. Just another fact of the info age. later Kevin At 03:47 PM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote: > > >Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? >The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially >when no violation of law has been proven. > >Todd > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 18:13:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27246; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17393; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22604 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA29691; Mon, 1 Jun 98 18:12:53 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 v2.11); 1 Jun 98 15:13:39 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 v2.10); 1 Jun 98 15:13:23 -0800 Received: from vrc_cad (157.187.160.193) by BAYVIEW (Mercury/32 v2.11); 1 Jun 98 15:13:14 -0800 From: "Bruce Dimon, Living Large in the Land of Lakes and Lattes!" To: "Michael Troutman" , Subject: RE: A gift for the list Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:12:33 -0700 Message-Id: <000401bd8daa$6006b150$c1a0bb9d@vrc_cad.verticalreality> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980528145403.00a0b430@www.troutman.org> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > I thought it would be a good idea to have an area where we could throw a > file or picture, then send the link to everyone on the list for > distribution. > > So, here is my gift to all of you. > > Point netscape (or fetch or ftp) to : > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/ Okay, I'll get the ball rolling. Anybody who wants to see a "sporty" Gold Wing. I put mine on the FTP site. Let's see some more pictures. How about some Deal's Gap pictures? Bruce Breipfjvrp Dimon, Sr. Programmer/Analyst, Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division dimon@XXXXXX ARD, Bayview, Idaho North Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 18:14:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27264; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17422; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22620 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id SAA18276 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip214.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.111.214) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma018272; Mon, 1 Jun 98 18:12:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980601181228.008ad3c0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:12:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: MIKE Subject: Fwd: Honda 800 Interceptor and larger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just thought Id pass this picture along of a CB600 not sold in the US. Its called the Honda Hornet. Anyone know why it isnt sold in the US, or if it can be imported? I am looking at Nighthawks, but this is exactly what I would be interested in :-) ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg >In a message dated 98-05-31 22:10:38 EDT, JGSHOOTER writes: > ><< > I have not ridden the 800 but have not heard much bad about it... It's the >nicest Interceptor built is about the all I've heard about it.........We >talked about the CB1300 before.... it's a pig for it's size....Their are a >lot better bikes out there for the money.. They just destroy it in every >aspect..(HP to weight / Handling / Price...etc)..On the other hand the CB1000 >is a super nice ride..... Anyone out there every rode a CB1100F? If so please >feel me in on it..... > > As for the cruisers.. think about it... There is two major markets here in >the US.. the rockets and the cruisers and that's about it. The only true >standard presently being built is the NH..... There is a few Cafe' Racers >style bikes being built, but they are far & few between when it comes to being >on the street, (Bandit's, Seca's,, exc..). KAW's Zephers (Another very good >bike) fell on their face and Kaw has not released a standard in the US since >but has built a few nice ones...All the major makers have made Standards and >released them in other countries Canada--UK etc,,, Enclosed is a picture of a >600 Honda Hornet (NOT SOLD IN THE U.S.) It's a CBR600F3 with out the dressing >and a better seating position {a standard}.... Nice uh??? It's all supply and >demand thing, WE the members of this group mostly enjoy Standards but most >people in the US ride rockets or cruisers,,,,, So we can enjoy the NH's the >CR or the older bikes or wait for the few standard that slip through the >cracks and are intorduced here in the US... > > My 2 Cents worth > > Becareful and enjoy > John ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org "THE PRESIDENT HAS KEPT ALL OF THE PROMISES HE INTENDED TO KEEP." - Clinton aide George Stephanopolous speaking on "Larry King Live" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 18:26:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27423; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17841; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22910 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:26:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id QRFJa08707; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <79209d41.35732a62@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:25:37 EDT To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm alive Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-01 17:49:20 EDT, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << As an aspiring old fart, I'd prefer that no one be 'taken off the roads' If living in a jungle is the price to pay until then, so be it. >> Yeah, as an old fart (46) it's bad enough to be gawked at (by non- motocyclists) when I take my helmet off when stopping with the 86-VFR-750 (motorcyclists know it's a geezer bike) or gawked at by sportbikers when stopping with the 98-ZX-9R. (Only the bike gets gawked (and laughed) at when I ride the Commando, particularly when I kick start it.) But now you want to take me off the road? Just kidding, actually the younger guys are great, a young fellow on a Ducati 900SS actually asked me if he was going to fast for me on a ride recently, and I had the ZX. Didn't have the heart to tell him I almost hit him from behind on the first few corners until I got the pace right. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 20:09:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28508; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19551; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25138 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29336; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02759 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980601200515.008b5210@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:05:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Summit Point/Collin/Heat In-Reply-To: <19980601154808.BWVR20960@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:38 AM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >his RS125 being raced by ex-lister Alan Lapp, Collin Fagen, Steve Harris >(though I never got a chance to come over and say Hi). Team Charm had a mixed weekend. Rich's EX-0-Zilla got sorted out, and is running very fast. Rich peeled some solid '26's on sunday & took 2 seconds. My bike on the other hand gave me fits, running intermitantly on 1 clyinder. I ended up pulling out of two races. Even worse, friday night we stay up to about 3:30 getting blasted. Up at 7 to do the school hung over. It was not a fun day. Oh well, at least the weather was nice. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 22:17:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29696; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21079; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27439 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-245.s245.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.245]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17746; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3573610B.C1B3645F@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 22:18:51 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Balt-cycles CC: bhawkins@XXXXXX, jnewman@XXXXXX Subject: My Summit Racing (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll try to keep the Oklahoma talking disease brief since I'm thoroughly exhausted tonight. After Thursday and Friday night both staying up past 3 am getting the race bike ready, I headed out to the track, knowing that I still had to pull the kickstand off the bike...then found out it would have been nice to have on during the rider school... Personally, I didn't get a lot out of the riding part of the skid pad session of the school, but the things the instructors said were very good. The classroom section was excellent. The afternoon: Here I am on a bike that I've never riden before (hadn't even been on a bike in 2.5 months other than a quick trip to the parts store on Ursulinas bike), which still has Dunlop D204 street compound tires on them. I was very herky jerky in the slower parade laps because I kept trying to keep a very constant flowing pace through the corners, but my other classmates kept tapping the brakes.. :( For the first two practive starts (drag races to turn 1 :)), I took a commanding hole shot from my grid position on the middle of the second row. The third start was for the rider school race with 28 other riders. I bogged ever so slightly on the start, and was second into one less than a foot from Chris ?? (forgot his last name...very nice guy), and I blew by him hard at the back of 2. He wasn't far behind until we got to the turn in for turn 3. He braked farily hard, but I just rolled off and downshifted through the turn and blasted away. From then on, I had the track to myself. I was losing a lot of speed in 7, because I was apexing in the wrong spot. I knew I was going through it in the wrong way, but the right way feels very unnatural (more on that later). The only time the bike would get very upset was coming up the hill out of 9.... there are some moderate bumps right where you accelerate hard up the hill and I'd get moderate to heavy tank slappers!! On the 3rd lap, I started lapping people!! woohoo! Over the next lap, I passed all but a small handful of the other school riders. Then they red flagged the race (to see if we respond to the flag correctly) and my day was done. Actually, after the red flag, we backed way off pace, and at first I thought my brakes were failing, because I suddenly could not get enough strength to pull the brakes!! WOW! Adrenalin is a wonderful drug. My forearms were extremely tight for several more hours. All said, the grin on my face went past the ears on both sides :) and I was pumped for several more hours after the race. Sunday came along and I skipped the first practive session. Partly so I could sleep an extra hour, partly because I didn't want to go out when the track might still be slick. The 2nd practice for my group I went out and had a great time...I fell in behind a couple other guys and tried to work on better lines. Eventually I decided I needed to pass them and did, with a monster slide in turn 3 just after passing them in the previous straight!! My best lap time that anyone caught was a rough 1:28:?? Which isn't too bad for a new rider I hear. In the pits, I tell myself that these tires won't handle my race and track day tomorrow, so I should find some real race tires. I found a deal on a set of D207 GP compounds that the rider told me had 8 laps on them at Atlanta...they looked in very good shape, and he only wanted $50 for the set (they were worth that apiece!). I rushed to get them mounted (side note: Jack of Sport Cycle is awsome...fast tire change at $10/tire!!)...Even faster rush to get them back on the bike. Jack told me that 28 psi was the pressure of the day. Like a fool, I didn't double check to insure that he put in that much air. I also mounted them in a very big hurry, and didn't get to check my alignment too closely. :( Since I paid my fees fairly late in the morning, I was gridded dead last at the back of the 2nd grid, 41 of 41 for Heavyweight Superbike Amateur (the only race a 750cc machine was eligible for with amateur plates). (the experts those guys saw out there just took a lap or so to scrub in tires I believe...and they gridded waaay at the back.). I got a great start and passed almost all of the 2nd wave when all of a sudden, the front of my bike starts lashing back and forth violently!! Through turns 1-5 I was passing people left and right, but as I got on the main straight, I would start getting the violent slappers again just into partial throttle 5th gear... So as I tooled down the front straight at 95-100 mph, most everyone I passed motored on by. This went on for several laps..I'd pass in the tight stuff and just rock, then they would just motor right by me laughing down the straight. At the end of the race, I ended up placing 30 of 41.... I was so disheartened because I just knew I could have place much much higher had I been able to get up to speed and go 150 down the straight. That said, a couple of people got a few lap times on me and I managed at least one 1:28 even though I was going much slower in the straights!!! That means the corners were getting better!! Before he left for home, I asked Al Lap for anything he could think of that might help my tank slap problems...(other than get a steering damper...I already planned on that). After checking head bearings (good), he asked about rear tire alignment..doh!! rushed the tire change and forgot to check..sure enough, it was turned to the right a fair amount... also checked tire pressures... They were supposed to be 28 on both. They were actually 25.5 and 25 :( Lesson learned: never trust someone else with your race bike/life unless it's your pit partner. We also found that my front rebound was near 0 and the forks were topping out after compression. For track day, I realigned the tire, raised the pressure to 29 rear, 28 front (to put a tad more weight bias to the front), and increased the rebound setting a bit. The bike was much more stable. It still had a slight unsteadiness when I hit the big bumps on the main straights, so I couldn't go 100% wide open, but I could get in the ballpark. By the faster sessions in the afternoon, I had hooked up with some of the senior control riders and they were leading me through the course on more or less a one on one race lesson as we blasted all the traffic (but only in the straights :( we weren't aloud to pass in the turns, although later the control rider told me to do it if I was following him like that). For the last session, I jumped into the big bike A group. For the first couple of laps, I was eating tailpipe on the lead control rider on an R1. He was going fairly slow through corners, but blasting the straights... He never looked back to realize that two of us were eating him up and he wasn't keeping as good a pace as the other instructors.... So I backed off in the main straigt, and I was passing the start/finish line as they went into turn one...NOW!! I had the track to myself :) It only took one lap to catch them again in turn 2!!!.... Over the course of the last several laps of the laps, I had two separate people clock me at 1:24 lap times!!!!!! That was beyond my wildest dreams... On the last two laps, I ended up dragging bike AND body parts that I never imagined (without crashing :) ) They had short orange cones marking the apexes of each turn. The one in turn 3 was sitting perfectly on top of the rumple strips about 18 inches or so off the track..... Mysteriously, somehow it managed to get knocked over ;-) My knee slapped through it and the grass off track. It hit harder than I would have expected though..ouch... Through 5, I really tagged the ground HARD all the way up my left leg....need to check the leathers to see how they look, cause more than just the puck slip through the turns! My session ended when I came around turn 10 and the bike surged 4 or 5 times then died.... :( Heard mysterious clicking noises when I tried to start it in the pits.... Turned out to be that the ground wire on the battery backed its screw out and fell off :( I had the time of my life this past weekend. And like many have said, there is NOTHING like the track..no matter how fast you think you are on the street.... Oh yeah, Randy Renfrow passed me just as we apexed turn 10, but I passed him right back (he was on a little Aprillia though :)) Also forgot to mention that I raced the bike naked this weekend (no bodywork that is... so just get those disgusting thoughts out of your head he he he) I've named the bike "The Ugly Duckling" Pics soon to follow tomorrow or next day. Thank you so much to all the listers that showed up with support over the weekend and today. It really means a lot to me and Brian (even though his bike was acting up and giving him a tough time). The next race weekend is July 11th....Hopefully everyone can make it out :) (assuming I can scrounge enough for race fees AND a steering damper!!!!) Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 23:32:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00419; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22003; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28627 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm8-235.his.com (pm8-235.his.com [205.252.121.235]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07249 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: 1 Jun 98 23:26:04 -0400 Subject: Re: I'm alive From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Jun 1, 1998 5:44 PM, Leon Begeman wrote: >As an aspiring old fart, I'd prefer that no one be 'taken off the >roads' If living in a jungle is the price to pay until then, so be it. > >I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old >people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the >earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be >taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads >open to anyone anytime for any reason. > That might be going a tad far, and to be fair you would probably agree to some limits there; e.g., one's motor skills (or lack thereof) do not enable one to operate a vehicle safely, one's eyesight just ain't there, or, one has proven through past accumulation of nasty offences (with no show of remorse such as sitting through dull classes intended to educate the offender) that one cannot be trusted not to endanger others' lives while driving a vehicle. Here's to bringing some civility to the jungle and doing something to limit incidents such as were just recounted on this list. Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 23:49:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00566; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22122; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28883 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.41] (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:47:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fender Bender club Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 23:51:54 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >They're not ALL trying to kill us, it just feels that way. Like hell they aren't. Since I was about 10 years old, my father has been beating that mantra into my head. Saved my butt a few times. The only rational way to ride a bike in traffic is to go under the most paranoid delusion concerning 'them'. BTW, think it's bad on motorcyclists? I've been out with SWMBO a few times on pedal bikes. That is ten times worse. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 23:49:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00571; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22126; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28887 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.41] (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:47:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 23:51:57 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >4. CAMS - a spin-off from dc-cycles, who have only two rules-- 1. No >drinking and riding. 2. No other rules. I didn't know this. How exactly is CAMS related to DC-Cycles and vice versa? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 23:49:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00577; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22130; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28891 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.41] (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:47:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I'm alive Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 23:52:01 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old >people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the >earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be >taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads >open to anyone anytime for any reason. Nice view, and one I agree with, up to a point. Much as I hate SUV's, I don't want 'em made illegal. And you should be able to drive what you want, how you want, unless it comes to a point of endangering others. I believe Jeanette suggested an eye test? Not a bad idea, but how 'bout a timed test to show RTs. And not just hit a button when a light goes on, but swerve a steering wheel depending on which side of you a light goes on. Bad description, but I'm thinking a multi-media setup similar to the swerve portion of the MSF:RSS. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:08:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01292; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22991; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29418 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA14205; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602000843.006d2f1c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:08:43 -0400 To: George Howell , "DC Cycles" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm now looking into a concealed/carry permit... my best friend Lenzy has one... makes his weapon EXTREMELY visible when riding his bike(keeps is tucked in a holster that slips into the back of his jeans).... everyone see's him.... nobody screws with him... life is good for him..... Sounds like the asshole totally deserved it. Hope that nothing bad comes of it. -Tom At 11:16 PM 5/31/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Joined the fender kickers club this afternoon. Was coming home from >parents house on the BMW (put on my Aeroflow headlight protector and the >run'n'lites in the rear). Idiot tried to run me over once or maybe he >just didn't see me. Tried to pass him. Same thing happened. Third time is >the charm. After the third time, he was next to me at a stop light. >Kicked him with my right foot. Now, here's the tricky part... I was at my >parents house. They have a gravel driveway. The bits of gravel get stuck >in the tread in my shoe. He gassed it as soon as I kicked. Gravel scrapes >down side of car. I take off, he follows. Next stop light. Conversation >goes like this: > >Him: >"Look what you did to my car" > >Me: >"Fuck you, you could have killed me" > >"I couldn't see you" > >"I saw your pointy head through the window. You didn't even look for me" > >"What about my car?" > >"Take me to court. If you can get my plate number. We'll both tell the >judge that you tried to kill me" > >Dumbass (about 18 years old or so) reaches down to get pen and paper. >Light goes green. I take off like a shot. I know the timing of the lights >in that area, and know that if I give my bike full throttle, I can just >squeeze into the next three lights before they go red (top speed never >over 75. Lights are pretty close) Last I saw of the guy. > >I'm not proud of what I did, and consider myself quite lucky that he >didn't have a gun. It's not something I'd do again (if I were thinking) >But damn if I'm not glad there was some gravel in the tread of my boot. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:10:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01300; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23022; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29442 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00990; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602001000.006d4704@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:10:00 -0400 To: George Howell , , "Mersch, Tom" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've had a few run in's with them myself.... there should be laws against thjis kind of stuff. -Tom At 11:16 AM 6/1/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Add me to the list. Had a phone bill problem when I was in college. Paid >it a few months late, but Equifax, even though they had received the >information that it was paid didn't remove it until two years later when >I was denied a loan because of their erroneous report. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:11:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01310; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23033; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29487 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.52] (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:09:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fwd: Honda 800 Interceptor and larger Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 00:13:37 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "MIKE" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Just thought Id pass this picture along of a CB600 not sold in the US. Its >called the Honda Hornet. Anyone know why it isnt sold in the US, or if it >can be imported? > >I am looking at Nighthawks, but this is exactly what I would be interested >in :-) Have seen it in the motomags (dl'ing it in the background:) First, nekkid bikes don't sell well in the states. All 'rounders are hard to classify, so they frighten us American sheep. I happen to love all-rounders, and only got the ZL over the CB when I got my first bike because if a bike is black, it oughta be a cruiser. But, it is a neat bike, and looks much better than the Bandit (which is the closest you'll come in this country now that the R850R is gone) Didn't like the 1/4 fairing on the Bandit, and couldn't easily switch to a plain front like the Euro version, so I didn't get it, BTW. Check out the Bandit if you gotta buy now, otherwise, write a letter to American Honda. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:19:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01451; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23231; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29680 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.52] (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:17:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 00:21:35 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Thomas W. Zell" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Sounds like the asshole totally deserved it. Hope that nothing bad comes of >it. I don't think so. Had he been able to follow me very far, it could have been trouble. But I did have 30 miles of range left, which could have gotten me to any number of friendly homes. But it didn't come to that. I think he lost me in this residential district I live in (St. Charles) I'm glad that neither of us had a gun. This happened the old fashioned way: lots of cursing and screaming. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:19:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01463; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23240; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29684 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA20197; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602001655.006d2ca8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:16:55 -0400 To: Todd Peer , Allen Wheat , Thomas Cox From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not sure if it's a law in Virgniia or not but the manual states that when riding in a large group, the group should be divided up into smaller individual groups for safety purposes. -Tom At 11:22 AM 6/1/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >>All, >>I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I >>noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as >>though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am >>saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an >>accident. > >Just a reminder to everyone who rides in a group, especially a large >group. The group is not a single vehicle. The bikes that make the >group are. This means that another vehicle must be given right of >way when signalling to do so regardless that you may be riding in a >large group. > >>From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just >a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being >experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to >get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue >the ride. > >Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the >accident? Allen? > >Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:38:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01689; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23413; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29949 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19539; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602003836.006d56ac@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:38:36 -0400 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, aki.damme@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806011832.OAA14083@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <199806011814.AA14754@egate2.citicorp.com> <199806011637.MAA10072@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe Virginia should adopt New Jersey's jug-handle type left turn. In most cases you cannot make a left turn while on a major thoroughfare. I thought it was a major pain when I went to pick up Zeus from the breeder... now I think it would make things much safer... as long as people floow the rules. -Tom At 02:30 PM 6/1/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >At 02:12 PM 6/1/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >>...the elderly couple was oncoming, they wanted to make a left >>hand turn crossing over our lane, they didn't wait for *anyone*, >>they just cut right in front of Bill...he t-boned it just behind >>the passengers rear wheel. > >Okay, this makes much more sense than my version! Unfortunately I had >already sent my "second hand not very accurate version" before I got Aki's >message. Anyhow, I remember that in my MSF course they said that the >famous "car turns left in front of motorcycle" is the cause of a large >percentage of car/motorcycle accidents. No kidding! Whether I'm in my car >or on my motorcycle, I always try to err on the side of caution when >turning in front of traffic, or pulling out. Sometimes it is really hard >to judge just how fast that oncoming traffic is going! > >Anita >'95 Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:39:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01693; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23420; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29952 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr40-dialup60.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0ETW00B2XQ7SEU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:38:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:37:40 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: My Summit Racing (long) To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <003b01bd8d5a$1210b5e0$fc4c37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Collin, That is awesome! I'm glad to hear that you did so well, considering the fact that you jumped on a bike you never even rode before. Can't wait to see how well you do when you sort the bike out and get some more time in the seat. Let me know when your racing again, I'll bring my wrenches! I think I'm going to call you "Haga" from now on....... Jon Schumer fzr 600(rat bike) -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) To: DC Cycles ; Balt-cycles Cc: bhawkins@XXXXXX ; jnewman@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 2:24 AM Subject: My Summit Racing (long) >I'll try to keep the Oklahoma talking disease brief since I'm thoroughly >exhausted tonight. > >After Thursday and Friday night both staying up past 3 am getting the >race bike ready, I headed out to the track, knowing that I still had to >pull the kickstand off the bike...then found out it would have been nice >to have on during the rider school... > >Personally, I didn't get a lot out of the riding part of the skid pad >session of the school, but the things the instructors said were very >good. The classroom section was excellent. > >The afternoon: >Here I am on a bike that I've never riden before (hadn't even been on a >bike in 2.5 months other than a quick trip to the parts store on >Ursulinas bike), which still has Dunlop D204 street compound tires on >them. > >I was very herky jerky in the slower parade laps because I kept trying >to keep a very constant flowing pace through the corners, but my other >classmates kept tapping the brakes.. :( > >For the first two practive starts (drag races to turn 1 :)), I took a >commanding hole shot from my grid position on the middle of the second >row. The third start was for the rider school race with 28 other >riders. >I bogged ever so slightly on the start, and was second into one less >than a foot from Chris ?? (forgot his last name...very nice guy), and I >blew by him hard at the back of 2. He wasn't far behind until we got to >the turn in for turn 3. He braked farily hard, but I just rolled off >and downshifted through the turn and blasted away. From then on, I had >the track to myself. I was losing a lot of speed in 7, because I was >apexing in the wrong spot. I knew I was going through it in the wrong >way, but the right way feels very unnatural (more on that later). >The only time the bike would get very upset was coming up the hill out >of 9.... there are some moderate bumps right where you accelerate hard >up the hill and I'd get moderate to heavy tank slappers!! > >On the 3rd lap, I started lapping people!! woohoo! Over the next lap, I >passed all but a small handful of the other school riders. Then they >red flagged the race (to see if we respond to the flag correctly) and my >day was done. Actually, after the red flag, we backed way off pace, and >at first I thought my brakes were failing, because I suddenly could not >get enough strength to pull the brakes!! WOW! Adrenalin is a wonderful >drug. My forearms were extremely tight for several more hours. > >All said, the grin on my face went past the ears on both sides :) and I >was pumped for several more hours after the race. > >Sunday came along and I skipped the first practive session. Partly so I >could sleep an extra hour, partly because I didn't want to go out when >the track might still be slick. The 2nd practice for my group I went >out and had a great time...I fell in behind a couple other guys and >tried to work on better lines. Eventually I decided I needed to pass >them and did, with a monster slide in turn 3 just after passing them in >the previous straight!! My best lap time that anyone caught was a rough >1:28:?? Which isn't too bad for a new rider I hear. > >In the pits, I tell myself that these tires won't handle my race and >track day tomorrow, so I should find some real race tires. I found a >deal on a set of D207 GP compounds that the rider told me had 8 laps on >them at Atlanta...they looked in very good shape, and he only wanted $50 >for the set (they were worth that apiece!). > >I rushed to get them mounted (side note: Jack of Sport Cycle is >awsome...fast tire change at $10/tire!!)...Even faster rush to get them >back on the bike. Jack told me that 28 psi was the pressure of the >day. Like a fool, I didn't double check to insure that he put in that >much air. I also mounted them in a very big hurry, and didn't get to >check my alignment too closely. :( > >Since I paid my fees fairly late in the morning, I was gridded dead last >at the back of the 2nd grid, 41 of 41 for Heavyweight Superbike Amateur >(the only race a 750cc machine was eligible for with amateur plates). >(the experts those guys saw out there just took a lap or so to scrub in >tires I believe...and they gridded waaay at the back.). > >I got a great start and passed almost all of the 2nd wave when all of a >sudden, the front of my bike starts lashing back and forth violently!! >Through turns 1-5 I was passing people left and right, but as I got on >the main straight, I would start getting the violent slappers again just >into partial throttle 5th gear... So as I tooled down the front straight >at 95-100 mph, most everyone I passed motored on by. This went on for >several laps..I'd pass in the tight stuff and just rock, then they would >just motor right by me laughing down the straight. > >At the end of the race, I ended up placing 30 of 41.... I was so >disheartened because I just knew I could have place much much higher had >I been able to get up to speed and go 150 down the straight. > >That said, a couple of people got a few lap times on me and I managed at >least one 1:28 even though I was going much slower in the straights!!! >That means the corners were getting better!! > >Before he left for home, I asked Al Lap for anything he could think of >that might help my tank slap problems...(other than get a steering >damper...I already planned on that). After checking head bearings >(good), he asked about rear tire alignment..doh!! rushed the tire >change and forgot to check..sure enough, it was turned to the right a >fair amount... also checked tire pressures... They were supposed to be >28 on both. They were actually 25.5 and 25 :( Lesson learned: never >trust someone else with your race bike/life unless it's your pit >partner. We also found that my front rebound was near 0 and the forks >were topping out after compression. > >For track day, I realigned the tire, raised the pressure to 29 rear, 28 >front (to put a tad more weight bias to the front), and increased the >rebound setting a bit. >The bike was much more stable. It still had a slight unsteadiness when >I hit the big bumps on the main straights, so I couldn't go 100% wide >open, but I could get in the ballpark. >By the faster sessions in the afternoon, I had hooked up with some of >the senior control riders and they were leading me through the course on >more or less a one on one race lesson as we blasted all the traffic (but >only in the straights :( we weren't aloud to pass in the turns, >although later the control rider told me to do it if I was following him >like that). > >For the last session, I jumped into the big bike A group. For the first >couple of laps, I was eating tailpipe on the lead control rider on an >R1. He was going fairly slow through corners, but blasting the >straights... He never looked back to realize that two of us were eating >him up and he wasn't keeping as good a pace as the other instructors.... >So I backed off in the main straigt, and I was passing the start/finish >line as they went into turn one...NOW!! I had the track to myself :) It >only took one lap to catch them again in turn 2!!!.... Over the course >of the last several laps of the laps, I had two separate people clock me >at 1:24 lap times!!!!!! That was beyond my wildest dreams... >On the last two laps, I ended up dragging bike AND body parts that I >never imagined (without crashing :) ) >They had short orange cones marking the apexes of each turn. The one in >turn 3 was sitting perfectly on top of the rumple strips about 18 inches >or so off the track..... Mysteriously, somehow it managed to get knocked >over ;-) My knee slapped through it and the grass off track. It hit >harder than I would have expected though..ouch... >Through 5, I really tagged the ground HARD all the way up my left >leg....need to check the leathers to see how they look, cause more than >just the puck slip through the turns! >My session ended when I came around turn 10 and the bike surged 4 or 5 >times then died.... :( Heard mysterious clicking noises when I tried to >start it in the pits.... Turned out to be that the ground wire on the >battery backed its screw out and fell off :( > >I had the time of my life this past weekend. And like many have said, >there is NOTHING like the track..no matter how fast you think you are on >the street.... >Oh yeah, Randy Renfrow passed me just as we apexed turn 10, but I passed >him right back (he was on a little Aprillia though :)) > >Also forgot to mention that I raced the bike naked this weekend (no >bodywork that is... so just get those disgusting thoughts out of your >head he he he) I've named the bike "The Ugly Duckling" Pics soon to >follow tomorrow or next day. > >Thank you so much to all the listers that showed up with support over >the weekend and today. It really means a lot to me and Brian (even >though his bike was acting up and giving him a tough time). > >The next race weekend is July 11th....Hopefully everyone can make it out >:) (assuming I can scrounge enough for race fees AND a steering >damper!!!!) > >Collin > > > >-- >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:39:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01698; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23434; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29960 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA27765; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602003918.006d6cc8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:39:18 -0400 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , Dale Horstman From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: I'm alive Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3572FB75.81408271@smart.net> References: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> <3572F7A2.8BDD7C3C@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I second that! Tom At 03:05 PM 6/1/98 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his >automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to it >is bound to make very few friends on a jury. > >Dale Horstman wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the >> chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another >> opportunity real soon! >> >> Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. >> I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be >> good to you. > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:42:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01716; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23500; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00004 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA02154; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602004240.006d8308@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:42:40 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , Dale Horstman From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: I'm alive Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think that they(the governing agency) should make sure that the folks are MENTALLY fit to drive(this goes for everyone) not just an eye exam. Anyone can pass the eye exam... let's make sure that the folks can comprehend what's going on around them! -Tom At 03:19 PM 6/1/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Yes, I agree, perhaps these people need to be taken off the roads and >this is just the way to do it... >eye exam, anyone!!?? > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:05 PM >> To: Dale Horstman >> Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: I'm alive >> >> Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his >> automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to >> it >> is bound to make very few friends on a jury. >> >> Dale Horstman wrote: >> >> > Bill, >> > >> > I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the >> > chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another >> > opportunity real soon! >> > >> > Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. >> > I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be >> > good to you. >> >> -- >> Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:53:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01773; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23650; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00130 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19180; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602005030.006d63d8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:50:30 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Equifax Cc: merscht@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <82aa5a50.35730ad5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" These folks hide above the law... they can't be touched because the insurance companies, banks, big $$$$$ politicians, etc.(the folks that really make things go on in this world it seems) are the one's protecting them. The only way to win is with a full-scale revolt on a national level(rioting... killing, removal of people from office, public hangings, etc.). The Constitution provides for it!!!!!!!! OK... I'm done! : ) -Tom (pissed because of having to go through a "Big Brother" road block on I-66 where Arlington's finest were looking for property tax evaders) At 04:11 PM 6/1/98 EDT, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >Perhaps a HUGE petition to the Better Business Bureau?? Or a class-action >lawsuit...... Marcy > >In a message dated 98-06-01 16:00:20 EDT, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX writes: > ><< Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? > The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially > when no violation of law has been proven. >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:58:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01803; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23699; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00193 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-35.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.35]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id AAA11375; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602005656.00ad7a80@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:56:56 -0400 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , DC Cycles , Balt-cycles From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: My Summit Racing (long) Cc: bhawkins@XXXXXX, jnewman@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3573610B.C1B3645F@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You Go Brian! I'll be out there wavin' fabric at you soon! :) MET At 10:18 PM 6/1/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >I had the time of my life this past weekend. And like many have said, >there is NOTHING like the track..no matter how fast you think you are on >the street.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 01:18:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02053; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23867; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00476 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA04405; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602011818.006dc424@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 01:18:18 -0400 To: George Howell , "DC Cycles" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting that description driving a red Mustang. He was chasing another Mustang down the Prince William Prkwy.... cut me off while motoring along a quite a good clip... I hit my hi-beams in response..only for a second as to warn the driver that he was in the wrong. The kid went ape-shit and tried waiting for me at the light... then got mad and went fish tailing down the intersecting crossroad when I made it clear that I wasn't going near him(I was howevewr more than pissed and was ready to put my fist through his skull for scaring the crap outta Jeannette and I with his actions). Probably good for both of us that I used my brain and avoided a confrontation. Where the hell are the police when you really need them? I know... checking for god-damned county stickers!!! JERKS(not the officers themselves... the system that puts them out there)!!! -Tom At 12:21 AM 6/2/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>Sounds like the asshole totally deserved it. Hope that nothing bad comes of >>it. > >I don't think so. Had he been able to follow me very far, it could have >been trouble. But I did have 30 miles of range left, which could have >gotten me to any number of friendly homes. But it didn't come to that. I >think he lost me in this residential district I live in (St. Charles) > >I'm glad that neither of us had a gun. This happened the old fashioned >way: lots of cursing and screaming. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 02:14:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02676; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA24078; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01123 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WIZIa08936 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f2ae723.35739802@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:13:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: bike choises Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Well, I think its come down to the CBR1100XX, the ZX-11, and the TL1000S. Im not too familiar with the TL1000S, but Ive ridden the zx, and rode with a xx, and Im gonna go shopping for one tomorrow(tuesday) and I wanted to know anyones final thoughts about any of these. Sean Petr Still Searching.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 07:33:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04784; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25526; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05007 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Incest. Alot of each are on the other. Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 11:52 PM > To: Chris Norloff; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* > > >4. CAMS - a spin-off from dc-cycles, who have only two rules-- 1. No > >drinking and riding. 2. No other rules. > > I didn't know this. How exactly is CAMS related to DC-Cycles and vice > versa? > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 07:55:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04940; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25607; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.183.13] [128.126.183.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05226 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8DFB.90F9CE40@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:53:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 53 TEXT I'm not saying it wasn't the old couple's fault ~ but it was pretty dark and as part of the ride, I was overwhelmed at the number of bikes myself ~ maybe that couple felt the same way and thought they could sqeeze through the crowd. There were far too many for one group to try and stick together. And as far as I could tell, we weren't riding that safe either. Stopping along side of road, in them middle of roads, blowing through some yellowish-red lights to stay together. Nope, won't be doing a ride that big or in the dark for quite some time ~ need to let the memories fade. ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:19 PM To: 'Thomas H. Gimer'; Dale Horstman Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I'm alive Yes, I agree, perhaps these people need to be taken off the roads and this is just the way to do it... eye exam, anyone!!?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:05 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his > automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to > it > is bound to make very few friends on a jury. > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the > > chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another > > opportunity real soon! > > > > Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. > > I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be > > good to you. > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:05:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05108; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25684; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05389 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id IAA10935; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:03:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:03:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: The Best Kind of Lover (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Three women were sitting around talking about their husbands'performance as a lover. The first woman says "My Husband works as a marriage counselor.. He always buys me flowers and candy before we make love. I like that.. "The second woman says, "My husband is a motorcyclist. He likes to play rough and slaps me around sometimes. I kinda like that.. "The third woman just shakes her head and says, "My husband works for Microsoft. He just sits on the edge of the bed and tells me how great it's going to be when I get it." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:18:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05264; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25799; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-bh.colybrand.com [205.183.232.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05566 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA01835; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:16:14 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma001792; Tue, 2 Jun 98 08:16:10 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA19242; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:10:33 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256617.0042270B ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:02:33 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256617.00435462.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:16:29 -0400 Subject: Re: oh man I'm riding my cage tonight Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well ... I'm a capricorn and I rode yesterday, last night and today ... still alive and kicking. Later, chris To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Date: 06/01/98 04:09:00 PM AST Subject: Re: oh man I'm riding my cage tonight >oh man..in light of all the near misses I've had last weekend, >I just read my horoscope...think I'll be taking the cage anywhere >I go tonight! > > *************************** > * Horoscope for Capricorn * > *************************** > > The Sun is in Gemini and the Moon is in Virgo. This signals a rather awkward > situation to find yourself in. Travel beckons, but work insists. If you're >doing > >....scary huh? > >-aki What it says? or that you actually believe it? ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:26:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05309; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25853; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05658 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF2A5180292; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:25:14 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602080939.00fa9100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:09:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And I bet the states love it. Now they don't have to talk to every other state to find "bad" drivers, they just have to call a credit bureau. bleah, Chris Norloff At 05:28 PM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >All the info Equifax is collecting is public records (accident reports, >traffic citations, etc.), so I think you have no hope of stopping them. > >John Whiteside > >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:47 PM >To: klthomas@XXXXXX >Cc: Mersch, Tom; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > >Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? >The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially >when no violation of law has been proven. > >Todd > >>Y'all-- >> >>I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >>you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >>that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >>co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >>tickets issued or police report written. >> >>Equifax sucks > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:26:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05314; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25857; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05663 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF295180292; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:25:16 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602082838.00ff3bf0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:28:38 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602011818.006dc424@pop.mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:18 AM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting >that description driving a red Mustang. He was chasing another Mustang >down the Prince William Prkwy.... cut me off while motoring along a quite a >good clip... I hit my hi-beams in response..only for a second as to warn >the driver that he was in the wrong. The kid went ape-shit and tried >waiting for me at the light... then got mad and went fish tailing down the >intersecting crossroad when I made it clear that I wasn't going near him Get a tag no. and turn him in. Fairfax County police will supposedly take tag nos. of aggressive drivers and send them a warning (according to an article in the paper). Not sure about Prince William county, but at least you could find out. While a warning doesn't stop him, the more warnings come through, the more the local police will we watching for him - and the less slack they're likely to cut him. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:26:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05320; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25864; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05669 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF2B5180292; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:25:15 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602081308.00fa8750@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:13:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I'm alive Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357320C3.EA59424C@illuminet.net> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:44 PM 6/1/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old >people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the >earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be >taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads >open to anyone anytime for any reason. The difference is that one has caused a wreck through incompetence, and one has not. It's a lot of luck (and some protective gear) that the wreck did not kill. We'll all be old farts one day, hopefully. But a person's priviledge to drive ends when they cannot safely control their vehicle on a public road - no matter what their age is. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:26:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05319; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25863; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05670 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF2C5180292; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:25:16 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602082312.00faabb0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:23:12 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:51 PM 6/1/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>4. CAMS - a spin-off from dc-cycles, who have only two rules-- 1. No >>drinking and riding. 2. No other rules. > >I didn't know this. How exactly is CAMS related to DC-Cycles and vice >versa? Well, CAMS started when John Weinstein solicited people interested in rides on dc-cycles. Gradually the CAMS list got longer and John got busier, so I think he doesn't even read dc-cycles anymore. Still, CAMS is very egalitarian and chronically late ... so most of us fit in well. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:44:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05581; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26079; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06057 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:43:49 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D0A@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:42:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I oiled up the track with a badly running RS.. the thing is awesome when it runs through... first gear pulls HARD when it hits 9.5K... and shifting into 2nd (no clutch) it gets really light.. and turning? Well, you tilt your head in the direction you want to go, and you need to correct for oversteering... All in all, I'll like the bike better when/if I can actually get it running right (never did get to see what the front straight looked like, and probably pushed my bike well over 5 miles yesterday... Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 10:31 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? > > Did anyone see the races at Summit Point this weekend? Did Collin and > Brian get out and tear up the track?? > > - Ursulina From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:45:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05590; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26111; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06103 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA13395; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:44:30 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma013313; Tue, 2 Jun 98 08:44:23 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA26338; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:38:46 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256617.0044C0AA ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:30:57 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: zellto@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256617.0045982F.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:45:03 -0400 Subject: RE: I'm alive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I dunno ... I am more with Leon on this one. I guess I just don't think I need a beurocracy to protect me on the roads. I rather take responsibility to do that for my self. Sure, I'll agree with minimal licensing requirements, and I do think egregious traffic offenders should be taken of the streets (like repeat DWIs), but man it would be nice if traffic was TRULY enforced from a safety standpoint and not a money-grubbing speeding ticket frenzy. YMMV, chris To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: zellto@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 12:42:40 AM AST Subject: RE: I'm alive I think that they(the governing agency) should make sure that the folks are MENTALLY fit to drive(this goes for everyone) not just an eye exam. Anyone can pass the eye exam... let's make sure that the folks can comprehend what's going on around them! -Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:58:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05690; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26216; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06332 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:58:42 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D0B@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Summit Point/Collin/Heat Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:57:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Wait, you didn't just say that!!?? 100% humidity, 90degrees F - I didn't stop sweating till Monday morning when the humidity finally went away.. heck, I was wet even the instant after I had toweled off from my shower... Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harris [SMTP:harris@XXXXXX] > > > Oh well, at least the weather was nice. > > > Stephen > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:08:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05765; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26344; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06587 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygqnV-0001Pb-01; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:14 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A60@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:07:43 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain If people can not see to drive, they should not be driving, old OR young. That is what I meant and I will stand by that. I would hope that when I no longer can see well enough to operate a motor vehicle, I would voluntarily take myself off the road rather than endangering others' lives. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 5:45 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > Bill is certainly entitled to collect adequate compensation for his > time, damage and injuries. Given that there were plenty of witnesses, > I > would hope this could be done swiftly. > > As an aspiring old fart, I'd prefer that no one be 'taken off the > roads' If living in a jungle is the price to pay until then, so be > it. > > I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old > people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the > earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be > taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads > open to anyone anytime for any reason. > > Leon. > > > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > > Yes, I agree, perhaps these people need to be taken off the roads > and > > this is just the way to do it... > > eye exam, anyone!!?? > > > > - Jeannette > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:05 PM > > > To: Dale Horstman > > > Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > > > > > Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values > his > > > automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next > to > > > it > > > is bound to make very few friends on a jury. > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:08:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05769; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26350; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06594 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8E05.C24A45B0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:06:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Dale's Concours Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:06:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT Well Gang, I finally got up the courage to take Dale's bike for a spin. He's got over 6,000 miles on it now, so it's been broken in. He was kind and let some air out of the mono-shock so that I could touch the ground better. I'm not used to tip-toeing around but I could do it. Took it around the block (Dale Blvd, Hoadly, PW Parkway, Old Bridge, Smoketown, Minnieville, PW Parkway, Hillendale, Dale Blvd and home again for those familiar with the area in which we live). I really like corners on it ~ soooo different from the cruiser-style that I ride. It still needs to be about an inch or so shorter ~ I hear PC is an inch shorter. I wonder, if I refinance the car and juggle a few things. Been looking at ZX7Rs too......Time to get another job if I keep going at this rate. So now, Dale's bike is no longer safe ~ he needs to make me a key for it too! I could really go shopping on it. Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:43:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06221; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26716; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07568 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA8879 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:35:00 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:40:03 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:42:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fender Bender club -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I agree with George. Assume "they" are trying to kill you, and stay away from them pedal bikes. Joe '86 Ninja 900 >>> George Howell - 6/1/98 11:51 PM >>> >They're not ALL trying to kill us, it just feels that way. Like hell they aren't. Since I was about 10 years old, my father has been beating that mantra into my head. Saved my butt a few times. The only rational way to ride a bike in traffic is to go under the most paranoid delusion concerning 'them'. BTW, think it's bad on motorcyclists? I've been out with SWMBO a few times on pedal bikes. That is ten times worse. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:43:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06234; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26729; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07589 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:44:34 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 02 Jun 1998 08:44:01 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 02 Jun 1998 08:44:01 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 04B8A3573F39100F-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 04B8A3573F39100F Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 02 Jun 1998 08:44:01 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Being fairly new to the area and in search of the best way into the District from Montgomery County; today I took Beach Drive and the Rock Creek and Potomac Parkway through Rock Creek Park. It was by far the best way I've discovered, no traffic lights and twisty roads, what more can I ask for on the way into the office. :) I don't know how it is later in the day, but when I went through at 6:30 AM it was pretty deserted. My question is: does anyone know how closely the police enforce the speed limit. (I think the speed limit was either 25 or 35 mph) I don't advocate wild abuse of speed limits, but most roads can be traveled safely at speeds somewhat in excess of the limits, unless Officer Friendly is waiting, radar gun in hand, to hand you a ticket. If anyone could help me out it would be appreciated. Thanks - Don B BTW - My computer folks told me they cleared up our E-mail problems and now I should be receiving things once again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:44:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06248; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26743; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07623 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 274; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <357401A5.A2746BC6@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:44:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas W. Zell" CC: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX, merscht@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Equifax References: <3.0.1.32.19980602005030.006d63d8@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas W. Zell wrote: > > The only way to win is with a full-scale revolt on a national > level(rioting... killing, removal of people from office, public hangings, > etc.). The Constitution provides for it!!!!!!!! OK... I'm done! : ) > > -Tom > Sounds like fun! I'm there, dude! :-) Mayhem is my middle name! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:51:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06336; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26875; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07862 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-25.dial.nova.org (pm2-25.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.249]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA00431 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:51:14 GMT Message-ID: <35750273.4453030@mailgate.nova.org> References: <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> In-Reply-To: <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02 Jun 1998 08:44:01 -0400, "Burger, Donald " wrote: >My question is: does anyone know how closely the police =20 >enforce the speed limit. (I think the speed limit was either 25 or 35 =20 >mph) I don't advocate wild abuse of speed limits, but most roads can be = =20 >traveled safely at speeds somewhat in excess of the limits, unless =20 >Officer Friendly is waiting, radar gun in hand, to hand you a ticket. They are pretty good about enforcing the limits. By good, in this case, means that they do a lot of enforcement. It's a park and wasn't intended as a major commuter route (which it has largely become) after all. There are efforts underway by several groups to close the route to motorized vehicles (it is closed on the weekends). If you happen to also ride bicycles and are in search of someone to ride with Beach Dr is a great place to meet up with folks on the weekends... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06583; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26969; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08307 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p191.smart.net [206.97.127.191]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09564; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: <35740499.413A8BAF@smart.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:56:42 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike choices References: <5f2ae723.35739802@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I said before, if you're going to get a ZX-11, don't bother buying new. The design has been unchanged (except for the stickers/color schemes) since '93 with the D model. A relatively new ZX can be had for around $6k. The CBR1100XX is an awesome bike....with only one flaw that I have noticed: clearance. Zbig always seems to be dragging something (either pegs or fairing) while other bikes on the same turns are not. It does have some extra long feelers on it, and a 4:1 exhaust would help on the left side clearance, but it still looks too close for my comfort in some tight areas. The TL1000S is one beautiful bike, IMHO, but if you wanted to do any long distance cruising or carry a passenger I would stick with either the ZX or XX. That V twin looks and sounds incredible, and performance is excellent as well (ask Craig Johnston what he thinks of it...I've seen him shred it up on that bike). If I had $10K sitting around I would either buy one of these or a VFR800. Which reminds me....why are you not looking at the VFR. You can't go wrong there. CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, I think its come down to the CBR1100XX, the ZX-11, and the TL1000S. Im > not too familiar with the TL1000S, but Ive ridden the zx, and rode with a xx, > and Im gonna go shopping for one tomorrow(tuesday) and I wanted to know > anyones final thoughts about any of these. > > Sean Petr > Still Searching.... -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:58:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06687; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27038; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08511 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 284; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:58:26 -0400 Message-ID: <357404E9.472EB7EF@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:58:01 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dale's Concours References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well Gang, I finally got up the courage to take Dale's bike for a > spin. > So now, Dale's bike is no longer safe ~ he needs to make me a key for > it too! I could really go shopping on it. > > Tracy -- Isn't it ironic that when I look at the bags on the Concours, I think of all the stuff I can pack in them to get away, and when Tracy looks at the bags on the Concours, all she thinks of is all the stuff she can buy to bring home? :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:04:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06927; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27184; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08885 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18398 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:04:02 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:04:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Dale's Concours Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:07:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >Isn't it ironic that when I look at the bags on the Concours, >I think of all the stuff I can pack in them to get away, and >when Tracy looks at the bags on the Concours, all she thinks >of is all the stuff she can buy to bring home? :-) Ideally, it should be self-cancelling with a net gain/loss of 0 (zero) ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:04:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06936; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27265; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08903 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:54 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D0C@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: My Turn.... (Summit Point experience) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:03:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't really want to go into to much detail (wouldn't do anyone any good here anyway), but I'll start with the bad. My RS is FUBAR.. It starts, it runs, put it in first and (when it has a clutch) it pulls.. for about 4~5 seconds then dies. I even managed to get it to hit 2nd and 3rd, but it dies again.. Makes for a miserable track experience. The bike, when running - even at slow speeds is AWESOME.. as I mentioned briefly before, if you even Think about turning in for a hard right hander (turn 1 @ summit), you better have the speed up to hold you up, or be prepared to correct for over steering. The thing Turns... and it's no slouch either.. even with my 220lbs holding it down it'll wheelie (small ones, I wasn't there to show off). I'm gonna be in love when I can sort it out. As for the real weekend, it was hot, damn hot.. so hot I saw a couple guys in orange turbans burst into flames (Good Morning Vietnam for those who don't remember the line above). Anyway, Saturday was a Great day, no red flags, no ambulance calls, nothing. I was hung out in turn 10 (last one going onto the front straight, one of the fastest on the track) as captain.. means I delegate duties.. ok, no problem.. I'll sit and watch the race, you flag/pick up.. :P Got a visit from Kevin and his little.. er, I'll refrain for the sake of the list. Watched my buddy Thane Stielow kick major ass in GT3 (30 minute mini endurance - lightweight bikes like Hawks, EX500s, FZR400s, RS125s and even an Aprillia 250).. He was leading till about mid race when he bogged it going into T5 and killed the bike.. slipped back to second, got the bike running again.. and in the next 6~7 laps, managed to put about a 20 second lead on the guy in second (took back first in about 1 lap). He's now taken 2 1sts and a 3rd in CCS GT3 series.. looks like he's well on his way to taking the championship this year. He rides a monster hawk, something to the tune of 74hp at the rear wheel. The man can ride.. after that, the day was pretty dull and long till Collin got to go play... I figured he'd be a front runner in the class just based on my street riding experience with him, but I had no idea.. He was lapping riders within about 2.5~3 laps, and even took a control rider or two. As was mentioned, he turned 1:28's - for those who don't know times, most school students are running 1:40's or higher and the best a bike's ever done on the track is 1:17.67. Others on 750 bikes are turning (amateur) 1:21's for the win, and (expert) 1:18~19 for the win. With the laps of 1:24's on Monday, you can see that Collin is not to far off the winning pace.. and this with a hastily put together bike with steering issues. I think the next CCS weekend will show us what Collin is capable of with a bike that's a bit more sorted out and without starting 41 of 41 and having to fight through all the slow riders. Sunday was a bit more interesting, but also more humid and disgusting. The captain in turn one (I was in T2) threw his shoulder while reaching for the red (crimson!) flag to call the race after we had a rider go down in one. But mostly I did a lot of walking cause the riders kept stopping like 300 feet upstream from me.. and just waiting for me to walk to them... The Legend cars are still a scream.. those things are so much fun to watch, I'd love to drive one sometime. The usual track camaraderie was readily abundant, and it was great to see some DC-listers out there that I haven't seen there before (Todd, it was nice to see you there too.. esp. for the beer and food.. oh, the drugs kept me alive on Sunday.. thanks tons!). It's great to have support, and I'm sure it'll only get better as Collin and I slip into our proper places as racers.. I guess there's not much more to say.... I hope to be taking a race school in a couple weeks with Collins bike (damn my RS, friggin money pit) and maybe sorting my RS to race for the CCS weekend following that. See y'all soon when I get my VFR put together.. Brian P. McCoy - U.S. Army Corps of Engineers - CEHEC-IM Work Phone (703) 428-9045 Ride to Work <-> Work to Ride From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:07:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06994; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27372; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08997 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA9293 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:59:39 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:04:43 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:07:00 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fender Bender club -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Bullets aren't the answer, and fisticuffs aren't either if he has bullets. Finally, maybe we've found an actual use for a cell phone: "Hello, police? there's a guy in a red Mustang, license number xxx-000, and he's all over the road at Main and Broad heading west. I think he's drunk." Just a thought from someone trying to renounce his violent ways, Joe >>> "Thomas W. Zell" - 6/2/98 1:18 AM >>> Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting that description driving a red Mustang. He was chasing another Mustang down the Prince William Prkwy.... cut me off while motoring along a quite a good clip... I hit my hi-beams in response..only for a second as to warn the driver that he was in the wrong. The kid went ape-shit and tried waiting for me at the light... then got mad and went fish tailing down the intersecting crossroad when I made it clear that I wasn't going near him(I was howevewr more than pissed and was ready to put my fist through his skull for scaring the crap outta Jeannette and I with his actions). Probably good for both of us that I used my brain and avoided a confrontation. Where the hell are the police when you really need them? I know... checking for god-damned county stickers!!! JERKS(not the officers themselves... the system that puts them out there)!!! -Tom At 12:21 AM 6/2/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>Sounds like the asshole totally deserved it. Hope that nothing bad comes of >>it. > >I don't think so. Had he been able to follow me very far, it could have >been trouble. But I did have 30 miles of range left, which could have >gotten me to any number of friendly homes. But it didn't come to that. I >think he lost me in this residential district I live in (St. Charles) > >I'm glad that neither of us had a gun. This happened the old fashioned >way: lots of cursing and screaming. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:08:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07017; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27435; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09045 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA23957 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:08:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35740723.51710460@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:07:31 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I'm alive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. Leon. Leon said: > >Let's leave the roads > >open to anyone anytime for any reason. > > Eric replied: > That might be going a tad far, and to be fair you would probably agree to > some limits there; e.g., one's motor skills (or lack thereof) do not enable > one to operate a vehicle safely, one's eyesight just ain't there, or, one > has proven through past accumulation of nasty offences (with no show of > remorse such as sitting through dull classes intended to educate the > offender) that one cannot be trusted not to endanger others' lives while > driving a vehicle. > > Here's to bringing some civility to the jungle and doing something to limit > incidents such as were just recounted on this list. > > Eric M. Winslow > '93 GS500E > 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:15:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07252; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27835; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09636 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA05444 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199806021414.AA05444@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:53 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:53 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:10:13 -0400 Subject: Re: I'm alive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME as alot of you already know, I used to work at Fair Oaks DMV... statistically (based on my casual observation and comments from the Fairfax Co. Police), the most dangerous drivers on the roads around here are: 1. Women in mini-vans - a significant number of "near" accidents, run red lights and lane swerving are caused by inattentive mothers driving mini-vans..cops *hate* these kind of drivers because alot of them, if stopped, become hysterical and cause a big scene with the mother crying, the kids crying and the rubber neckers giving the cops the evil eye...alot of the young single cops try and avoid this situation like the plague... 8-P 2. Agressive drivers - nuff said. 3. Drunk drivers - also nuff said. 4. Teenage kids racing in subdivisions, occurs alot during the summer. 5. *ANY* really hot summer...especially parking lots where road rage tends to really get out of hand. The only reason I bring this up is because I thought it was interesting that not *one* police officer thought motorcyclists are any kind of traffic threat..the number of real squids doing squidly stuff (tm) is really small in the total percentage of motorcyclists out there. Also, when I worked at DMV, a persons age really didn't have a significant impact on their driving ability or their driving record. Young kids and women (yes wimmen!), had a much higher percentage of accidents than any other age group. That's interesting since for a long time, we were fed that young MEN were worse drivers than female drivers of the same age. Actually, women tend to be involved in more accidents than men, although accidents caused by men tend to have a higher fatality rate due to the rate of speed involved. The senior set had a higher number of "failure to pay proper attention" and "failure to yield" offences than any other age group but they did NOT tend to be the cause of most accidents although *most* accidents are caused by people who are eventually charged with failing to yield or not paying proper attention it just wasn't the old pharts that were involved. I tend to thing this trend will eventually change as more and more people are living longer and healthier lives and the baby boomer set gets older, we'll see more and more old folks driving..regardless of what ones driving ability is, I seriously think we need to revamp the entire driving qualification system in the U.S. into ONE national requirement...just because old Bubba learned how to drive a tractor back on the farm shouldn't instantly qualify him to drive a pickup on the beltway. ..back to ob moto: Infact one old phart police sargent that patrols the Fairoaks area said that he prefers to stop motorcylists because they rarely try to elude police, they are polite and because they are out in the open, he doesn't feel intimidated approaching them. cheers, -aki > >I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old > >people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the > >earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be > >taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads > >open to anyone anytime for any reason. > > Nice view, and one I agree with, up to a point. Much as I hate SUV's, I > don't want 'em made illegal. And you should be able to drive what you > want, how you want, unless it comes to a point of endangering others. I > believe Jeanette suggested an eye test? Not a bad idea, but how 'bout a > timed test to show RTs. And not just hit a button when a light goes on, > but swerve a steering wheel depending on which side of you a light goes > on. Bad description, but I'm thinking a multi-media setup similar to the > swerve portion of the MSF:RSS. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:16:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07287; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27888; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (known lmmail.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09736 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.89]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 283; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:12:37 -0400 Message-ID: <10e501bd8e31$33127030$59111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: , Subject: Re: Dale's Concours Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:17:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Tracy quipped: >Well Gang, I finally got up the courage to take Dale's bike for a spin. Congratulations! That's the first step to a complete change in outlook... >It still needs to be about an inch or so shorter ~ I hear PC is an inch >shorter Yes, it is. But, it is wider in the seat - so that might take the elevation advantage away for you. But, it is far more balanced (much lower COG - and I don't mean Concours Owners Group) and is easier to handle at slow speeds. >So now, Dale's bike is no longer safe ~ he needs to make me a key for it >too! I could really go shopping on it. Talk about shopping... hee hee... can we say "great mo-fo trunk"??!! Good luck, Amy PS - I'm a willing trader, so if you ever want to test ride a PC800... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:18:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07335; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27939; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09780 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygrtB-00064n-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:09 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A6A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:17:38 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, sorry, but I hope you get hit by someone who can't see to drive and not me. I don't mean to be rude, but I do think liberalism can be stretched a tad too far...as in this case. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:08 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against > those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with > disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. > > Leon. > > Leon said: > > >Let's leave the roads > > >open to anyone anytime for any reason. > > > > Eric replied: > > That might be going a tad far, and to be fair you would probably > agree to > > some limits there; e.g., one's motor skills (or lack thereof) do not > enable > > one to operate a vehicle safely, one's eyesight just ain't there, > or, one > > has proven through past accumulation of nasty offences (with no show > of > > remorse such as sitting through dull classes intended to educate the > > offender) that one cannot be trusted not to endanger others' lives > while > > driving a vehicle. > > > > Here's to bringing some civility to the jungle and doing something > to limit > > incidents such as were just recounted on this list. > > > > Eric M. Winslow > > '93 GS500E > > 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:19:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07366; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27978; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09848 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:19:03 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA05708 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199806021418.AA05708@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride To: zellto@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602003836.006d56ac@pop.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..unfortunately, this wasn't a major throughfare, it was just one of those Virgina side streets surrounded by woods on both sides. More of a upside down "Y" intersection than anything else. -aki > Maybe Virginia should adopt New Jersey's jug-handle type left turn. In > most cases you cannot make a left turn while on a major thoroughfare. I > thought it was a major pain when I went to pick up Zeus from the breeder... > now I think it would make things much safer... as long as people floow the > rules. > > -Tom > > At 02:30 PM 6/1/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: > >At 02:12 PM 6/1/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >>...the elderly couple was oncoming, they wanted to make a left > >>hand turn crossing over our lane, they didn't wait for *anyone*, > >>they just cut right in front of Bill...he t-boned it just behind > >>the passengers rear wheel. > > > >Okay, this makes much more sense than my version! Unfortunately I had > >already sent my "second hand not very accurate version" before I got Aki's > >message. Anyhow, I remember that in my MSF course they said that the > >famous "car turns left in front of motorcycle" is the cause of a large > >percentage of car/motorcycle accidents. No kidding! Whether I'm in my car > >or on my motorcycle, I always try to err on the side of caution when > >turning in front of traffic, or pulling out. Sometimes it is really hard > >to judge just how fast that oncoming traffic is going! > > > >Anita > >'95 Nighthawk 750 > > > > X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:21:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07403; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28091; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09942 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id KAA20957 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture(38.241.229.100) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma020952; Tue, 2 Jun 98 10:20:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980602102052.00aa01a0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:20:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Troutman Subject: cb600 = cb400f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That picture I uploaded..... ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone have any information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the US? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Michael J. Troutman Network Development Manager Wheat International Communications Corporation Reston, Virginia 703.262.9172 dir 703.262.9130 fax "Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:29:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07642; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28382; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10516 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p191.smart.net [206.97.127.191]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10712; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:38 -0400 Message-ID: <35740CE2.2C17C483@smart.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:32:03 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: cb600 = cb400f References: <3.0.32.19980602102052.00aa01a0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Didn't see the picture, but is that the same bike as the CB-1? I think '89 was the last year it was in production. I've been wrong many times before, however. Mike Troutman wrote: > That picture I uploaded..... > > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg > > a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone have any > information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the US? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:30:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07679; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28425; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10565 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygs5K-0006qt-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:42 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:03 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A6B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mike Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cb600 = cb400f Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Marcy, isn't that your bike (CB400)?? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Troutman [SMTP:mtroutma@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:21 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: cb600 = cb400f > > That picture I uploaded..... > > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg > > a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone > have any > information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the > US? > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Michael J. Troutman > Network Development Manager > Wheat International Communications Corporation > Reston, Virginia > 703.262.9172 dir > 703.262.9130 fax > > "Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:34:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07772; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28571; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10775 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA16805; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA30171; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602143349.DBRZ11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:33:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Whiteside, John" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602143349.DBRZ11142@[166.41.242.141]> Maybe they collected the information from public records, but do they have a right to sell the information? Is it their information? T Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:33 -0400 All the info Equifax is collecting is public records (accident reports, traffic citations, etc.), so I think you have no hope of stopping them. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:47 PM To: klthomas@XXXXXX Cc: Mersch, Tom; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Equifax Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially when no violation of law has been proven. Todd >Y'all-- > >I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >tickets issued or police report written. > >Equifax sucks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:39:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07875; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28729; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10943 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA07192 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199806021438.AA07192@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:52 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:52 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:35:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602080939.00fa9100@norloff.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME as part of the "Big Brother" initiative, all states are supposed to comply to a national driving records database (NDR) by Y2K or they will lose their highway funds. Essentially, that means that no matter where in the U.S. you are, there will be *one* driving record for you and whoever stops you can call that up on their screen and see every infraction you have in every state. The first phase was the commercial drivers record (CDR) and that went into effect nationally in 1990, then the states had ten years to submit their local databases to the national database for non-commerical drivers....you can thank the commerical drivers for this..they were notorious for having several drivers licenses from several states and would present whichever one had the least amount of offenses on it if they were stopped..it got so bad that the states decided they had to do something because of the public outcry of horrific accidents that the big rigs were being involved in. you can run but you can hide..big bro's watchin ya! 8-( -aki > And I bet the states love it. Now they don't have to talk to every other > state to find "bad" drivers, they just have to call a credit bureau. > > bleah, > Chris Norloff > > > At 05:28 PM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote: > >All the info Equifax is collecting is public records (accident reports, > >traffic citations, etc.), so I think you have no hope of stopping them. > > > >John Whiteside > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:47 PM > >To: klthomas@XXXXXX > >Cc: Mersch, Tom; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' > >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > > > > > > >Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? > >The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially > >when no violation of law has been proven. > > > >Todd > > > >>Y'all-- > >> > >>I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things > >>you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident > >>that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins > >>co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No > >>tickets issued or police report written. > >> > >>Equifax sucks > > > > > > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:41:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07904; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28810; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11002 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09532; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:41:24 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D042@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Mike Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cb600 = cb400f Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:41:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Mike, As Jeannette mentioned, the pic looks very similar to the Honda CB-1 (CB400). It was imported in 88 and 89, but did not sell overly well due to a poor pricetag in the wrong market (similar to what happened to the FJ1200's and now the RF900's). I know where one is at that runs like a bat out of hell, but it ain't all that pretty..let me know if you want a phone number... Collin > > > > a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone > > have any > > information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the > > US? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:47:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08066; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29020; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11160 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:47:04 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA07840 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:46:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199806021446.AA07840@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:46:44 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:46:44 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:46:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:44:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Fender Bender club -Reply To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME if you want a real FAST response by the local constabulary, also mention that you *think* he has a gun.... -aki > Bullets aren't the answer, and fisticuffs aren't either if he has > bullets. Finally, maybe we've found an actual use for a cell phone: > "Hello, police? there's a guy in a red Mustang, license number xxx-000, > and he's all over the road at Main and Broad heading west. I think he's > drunk." > Just a thought from someone trying to renounce his violent ways, > Joe > > >>> "Thomas W. Zell" - 6/2/98 1:18 AM >>> > Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta > fitting > that description driving a red Mustang. He was chasing another Mustang > down the Prince William Prkwy.... cut me off while motoring along a > quite a > good clip... I hit my hi-beams in response..only for a second as to warn > the driver that he was in the wrong. The kid went ape-shit and tried > waiting for me at the light... then got mad and went fish tailing down > the > intersecting crossroad when I made it clear that I wasn't going near > him(I > was howevewr more than pissed and was ready to put my fist through his > skull for scaring the crap outta Jeannette and I with his actions). > Probably good for both of us that I used my brain and avoided a > confrontation. Where the hell are the police when you really need them? > I > know... checking for god-damned county stickers!!! JERKS(not the > officers > themselves... the system that puts them out there)!!! > > -Tom > > At 12:21 AM 6/2/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: > >>Sounds like the asshole totally deserved it. Hope that nothing bad > comes of > >>it. > > > >I don't think so. Had he been able to follow me very far, it could have > > >been trouble. But I did have 30 miles of range left, which could have > >gotten me to any number of friendly homes. But it didn't come to that. > I > >think he lost me in this residential district I live in (St. Charles) > > > >I'm glad that neither of us had a gun. This happened the old fashioned > >way: lots of cursing and screaming. > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- > >-George Howell AMA#553567 > >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:50:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08137; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29100; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11309 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA10160 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:43:08 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:48:08 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:50:50 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: tgimer@XXXXXX, mtroutma@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cb600 = cb400f -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Don't forget the Honda Hawk--trick single-side swingarm, a sweet handler, looks great. A whole lotta character, especially for a Honda. Joe >>> "Thomas H. Gimer" - 6/2/98 10:32 AM >>> Didn't see the picture, but is that the same bike as the CB-1? I think '89 was the last year it was in production. I've been wrong many times before, however. Mike Troutman wrote: > That picture I uploaded..... > > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg > > a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone have any > information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the US? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:51:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08145; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29126; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11353 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygsPP-0000PR-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:51:27 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:49:48 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A73@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:50:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of Big Brother, I felt like I was in Nazi Germany last night when trying to get onto Route 66 from Arlington around 8PM. Two cops, lights flashing, were causing a huge traffic jam on the inramp flashing their flashlights at everyone who passed, waving us on SLOWLY. For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or something...NO!! THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of THIS!!?? George Orwell did predict this, didn't he? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:35 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Equifax > > > as part of the "Big Brother" initiative, all states are supposed > to comply to a national driving records database (NDR) by Y2K or > they will lose their highway funds. Essentially, that means that > no matter where in the U.S. you are, there will be *one* driving > record for you and whoever stops you can call that up on their > screen and see every infraction you have in every state. The > first phase was the commercial drivers record (CDR) and that went > into effect nationally in 1990, then the states had ten years to > submit their local databases to the national database for > non-commerical drivers....you can thank the commerical drivers > for this..they were notorious for having several drivers licenses > from several states and would present whichever one had the least > amount of offenses on it if they were stopped..it got so bad that > the states decided they had to do something because of the public > outcry of horrific accidents that the big rigs were being involved > in. > > you can run but you can hide..big bro's watchin ya! > > 8-( > > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:09:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08416; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29759; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11971 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256617.00538E43 ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:12:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256617.00531CB4.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:12:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or something...NO!! THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of THIS!!?? The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from the general population. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:19:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08520; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29982; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12456 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA05987; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA31325; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602151853.DJAW11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike choises X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602151853.DJAW11142@[166.41.242.141]> Well if yer seriously considering the TL1000S, you might check out the Ninja EX250. I hear it will blow by the TL on long distance races a-la 'tortoise and the hare'. ;-) Todd From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5f2ae723.35739802@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:13:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike choises Well, I think its come down to the CBR1100XX, the ZX-11, and the TL1000S. Im not too familiar with the TL1000S, but Ive ridden the zx, and rode with a xx, and Im gonna go shopping for one tomorrow(tuesday) and I wanted to know anyones final thoughts about any of these. Sean Petr Still Searching.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:19:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08524; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29979; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12454 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA16538; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA31273; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602151852.DJAS11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas W. Zell" CC: George Howell , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Fender Bender club X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602151852.DJAS11142@[166.41.242.141]> Do you have a cell phone? Get the creeps plates and call him in. I'd advise against any action that may be interpretted as aggression such as flashing your hi-beams at an obvious asshole. That's how simple stupidity escalates to head-on collisions with innocent drivers/riders. Just report the ignoid and let it go. Todd Tom Zell wrote: >Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting >that description driving a red Mustang. He was chasing another Mustang >down the Prince William Prkwy.... cut me off while motoring along a quite a >good clip... I hit my hi-beams in response..only for a second as to warn >the driver that he was in the wrong. The kid went ape-shit and tried >waiting for me at the light... then got mad and went fish tailing down the >intersecting crossroad when I made it clear that I wasn't going near him(I >was howevewr more than pissed and was ready to put my fist through his >skull for scaring the crap outta Jeannette and I with his actions). >Probably good for both of us that I used my brain and avoided a >confrontation. Where the hell are the police when you really need them? I >know... checking for god-damned county stickers!!! JERKS(not the officers >themselves... the system that puts them out there)!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:44:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08845; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01017; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.232.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13461 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA24257; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:43:33 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma024162; Tue, 2 Jun 98 11:43:28 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA21084; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:37:49 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256617.00549430 ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:23:49 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: sbeck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256617.005563B4.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:37:09 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Exactly. Although, on the other hand, it could be part of their "protect and serve" policy since they care sooo deeply about our well being and wouldn't want any dangerous vehicles out there on the roads ... No, that couldn't be the case, if it was, they wouldn't have such hefty fines ... It's a racket, chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 11:12:33 AM AST Subject: RE: Equifax For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or something...NO!! THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of THIS!!?? The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from the general population. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:57:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09088; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01622; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13802 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.111]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 326; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3573DA0E.E3250713@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:55:10 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles , TL LIST Subject: lemon law Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 times for repair still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or knowledge about lemon law other than hiring a lawyer??? Looking for helpful suggestions only.... Thanks Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:57:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09094; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01634; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13815 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygtQz-0004r1-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:09 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A7E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Christopher Meier'" , sbeck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:55:43 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm a law-abiding citizen, I pay my taxes, get my inspections done, get my tags, etc. What bothers me is this constant intrusion into our time!! I mean, here we are - at least 100 cars - being held up after 8PM on a Monday night. I just don't think that was right at all. BTW, they didn't score...no one got pulled over that I saw!! mwah ha ha ha - Jeannette > Exactly. > > Although, on the other hand, it could be part of their "protect and > serve" > policy since they care sooo deeply about our well being and wouldn't > want > any dangerous vehicles out there on the roads ... No, that couldn't be > the > case, if it was, they wouldn't have such hefty fines ... > > It's a racket, > chris > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:08:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09397; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01999; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14419 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygtbq-0005wz-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:08:22 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:06:38 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A82@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'jencraig'" , dc-cycles , TL LIST Subject: RE: lemon law Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:07:45 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I used to work for an attorney who told me that after 3 tries, they're out. Basically, the law somewhere, somehow says that they owe you if they can't get it fixed by 3 tries. I hope this helps...happened to me one time but I didn't use the lemon law...I should have. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: jencraig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 6:55 AM > To: dc-cycles; TL LIST > Subject: lemon law > > I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 > times > for repair > still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or > knowledge > about lemon law > other than hiring a lawyer??? > Looking for helpful suggestions only.... > Thanks Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:09:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09411; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02030; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14460 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA18304; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:08:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA30268; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:08:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602160842.CCQV7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:08:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Libertarian Views Was: I'm alive X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602160842.CCQV7401@[166.41.242.141]> It is also illegal to operate a motorized vehicle in an unsafe manner. If limited motor skills and/or poor eyesight are contributing factors to operating a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner, then it isn't a matter of discrimination but one of public safety. Otherwise, I agree with you. Todd (Don't Blame Me, I Vote Libertarian) >The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against >those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with >disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. > >Leon. > >Leon said: >> >Let's leave the roads >> >open to anyone anytime for any reason. >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:14:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09462; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02130; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14657 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:11 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256617.005979E4 ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256617.00595992.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:13 -0400 Subject: Re: lemon law Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 times for repair still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or knowledge about lemon law other than hiring a lawyer??? I'm not sure if lemon laws apply to motorcycles. If I were you, I would go the the dealer that can't seem to get the job done and tell the owner that you intend to hang out at his store and inform all potential buyers of the problems you have been having. I would be surprised if he doesn't make you his top priority after telling him that. Of course this will only work if you bought the bike from the dealer in question. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:15:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09477; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02170; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14722 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA10534; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA25944; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602161458.GTFV20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:14:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: I'm alive X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602161458.GTFV20960@[166.41.242.141]> >Well, sorry, but I hope you get hit by someone who can't see to drive >and not me. >I don't mean to be rude, but I do think liberalism can be stretched a >tad too far...as in this case. > >- Jeannette That's libertarianism, and it's not nice to hope someone gets hit under any circumstance (outside of hoping an enemy bites it). Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:16:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09484; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02208; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14751 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA21521; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:14:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA27044; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:14:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602161454.GTFS20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:14:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: jencraig CC: dc-cycles , TL LIST Subject: Re: lemon law X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602161454.GTFS20960@[166.41.242.141]> I think Jack had this very same problem with his TL. If you reported under warranty, you should be ok. Just don't let them pull some BMW stunt and tell you it was designed to leak! Todd >I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 times >for repair >still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or knowledge >about lemon law >other than hiring a lawyer??? >Looking for helpful suggestions only.... >Thanks Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:17:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09518; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02245; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14803 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygtkt-0006en-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:43 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A84@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, that is not what I said. I'm off this subject now. It's beginning to bore me. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 12:10 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: 'Leon Begeman'; dc-cycles > Subject: RE: I'm alive > > > >Well, sorry, but I hope you get hit by someone who can't see to drive > >and not me. > >I don't mean to be rude, but I do think liberalism can be stretched a > >tad too far...as in this case. > > > >- Jeannette > > That's libertarianism, and it's not nice to hope someone gets hit > under > any circumstance (outside of hoping an enemy bites it). > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:29:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09637; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02625; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snork_nt (known [162.70.129.114] [162.70.129.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15034 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806021629.MAA15034@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by localhost from snork_nt (router,WinSmtp -Win16- V1.07beta1.1.s(unregistered)); Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:28:17 PDT Received: from mooky by snork_nt (162.70.131.133::mail daemon; unverified,WinSmtp -Win16- V1.07beta1.1.s); Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:27:34 PDT Reply-To: From: "Mooky the Crusader!" To: "Dc-Cycles@Cs. Umd. Edu" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:30:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199806021446.AA07840@egate2.citicorp.com> Importance: Normal X-MailDaemon: Just adding a few comments of my own... Cell phones work great...if you're in a car. On a bike that is a limited option... I was in my MR2 on the beltway and this jerk side-swiped the front end of me doing about 30-40mph in heavy traffic as he did a testosterone-induced pass from the right...He mocked writing down the plate number in his mirror. I upped the ante and held up my cell phone and proceeded to call the MD State Police. They set up an unmarked cruiser ambush on I-95 for me and I followed the guy right into it and the police pulled him over. No ticket was issued (they say because of the "minor damage involved and nobody was hurt") but I got the satisfaction of getting him pulled over and an accident reported to his insurance company (which is in the progress of compensating me for having to get my front air dam repaired). As for flashing high-beams at assholes, here is a scary story that I heard soon after moving to the DC Area. Don't know if it's just folk tales meant to scare children or not, but the rumor goes that there are people in a gang that drive around at night with only parking lights on, and if you flash your highbeams at them they will follow you to whereever you stop and shoot you dead. Consequently I never flash my lights at people anymore...period. Concealed carry permits...isn't the operative word there "concealed"? --Keith ______________________________________________________________________ http://mason.gmu.edu/~kwiedema '87 MR2 MkI NA T-Top Gold 'CHVALRY' ICQ#: 10356340, AIM: Mooky8D '97 Ninja ZX-6E Bloodwine 'CNIHT' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:31:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09688; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02729; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15105 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07553; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:30:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'jencraig'" , dc-cycles , TL LIST Subject: RE: lemon law In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A82@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Which state? In VA, search for "lemon" at http://leg1.state.va.us/000/src.htm -- the on line Code of Virginia. The timeout is three tries, or once for "a serious safety defect", or "out of service due to repair for a cumulative total of thirty calendar days". See 59.1-207.13 at http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504?000+cod+59.1-207.13 Don't know if MD has their code on line. Don't even want to know about DC. Pete. On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I used to work for an attorney who told me that after 3 tries, they're > out. Basically, the law somewhere, somehow says that they owe you if > they can't get it fixed by 3 tries. I hope this helps...happened to me > one time but I didn't use the lemon law...I should have. > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jencraig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 6:55 AM > > To: dc-cycles; TL LIST > > Subject: lemon law > > > > I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 > > times > > for repair > > still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or > > knowledge > > about lemon law > > other than hiring a lawyer??? > > Looking for helpful suggestions only.... > > Thanks Craig > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:33:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09724; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02799; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15142 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07575; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:32:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: sbeck@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lemon law In-Reply-To: <85256617.00595992.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In VA: "Motor vehicle" means only passenger cars, pickup or panel trucks, motorcycles, self-propelled motorized chassis of motor homes and mopeds as those terms are defined in 46.2-100 and demonstrators or lease purchase vehicles with which a warranty was issued. So motorcycles are included. -ph On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > > I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 times > for repair > still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or knowledge > about lemon law > other than hiring a lawyer??? > > I'm not sure if lemon laws apply to motorcycles. If I were you, I would go > the the dealer that can't seem to get the job done and tell the owner that > you intend to hang out at his store and inform all potential buyers of the > problems you have been having. I would be surprised if he doesn't make you > his top priority after telling him that. > > Of course this will only work if you bought the bike from the dealer in > question. > > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:34:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09734; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02838; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15190 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28422; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:34:01 -0400 Message-ID: <35742953.46F84EA9@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:33:23 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm alive References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602081308.00fa8750@norloff.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff said: >But a person's priviledge to > drive ends when they cannot safely control their vehicle on a public road - > no matter what their age is. It needs to end just before that point - but that's where the problem is. Without daily testing (perhaps hourly for LD types like me) there is no way to identify these unsafe people. Therefore, my preference is toward personal responsiblity. The other direction leads to support of Equifax. Leon Long Distance - or was that Learning Disabled - rider. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:35:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09749; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02903; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15222 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain With apologies to Kirk, during rush hour the whole group does at least 45, some at 50+, and in about three years of commuting through the park I've never seen anyone pulled over for speed during the morning or afternoon rush. The one thing that does seem likely to get you pulled over and ticketed during the afternoon rush is waiting too long to merge into the single right lane that goes from Rock Creek Parkway and bears right to go up Beach Drive (there is a God). Tom Mersch > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [SMTP:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 8:44 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park > > Being fairly new to the area and in search of the best way into the > District from Montgomery County; today I took Beach Drive and the Rock > Creek and Potomac Parkway through Rock Creek Park. It was by far the > best way I've discovered, no traffic lights and twisty roads, what more > can I ask for on the way into the office. :) I don't know how it is > later in the day, but when I went through at 6:30 AM it was pretty > deserted. My question is: does anyone know how closely the police > enforce the speed limit. (I think the speed limit was either 25 or 35 > mph) I don't advocate wild abuse of speed limits, but most roads can be > traveled safely at speeds somewhat in excess of the limits, unless > Officer Friendly is waiting, radar gun in hand, to hand you a ticket. > > If anyone could help me out it would be appreciated. > > Thanks - Don B > > BTW - My computer folks told me they cleared up our E-mail problems and > now I should be receiving things once again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:35:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09756; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02922; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15236 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA01113; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:35:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA25112; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:34:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:34:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Christopher Meier'" , sbeck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that they may not be very interested in your time management needs when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). If citizens would complain more to both the police department and the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes that get away w/o paying when you do. In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would rather be doing something else. Todd I'm a law-abiding citizen, I pay my taxes, get my inspections done, get my tags, etc. What bothers me is this constant intrusion into our time!! I mean, here we are - at least 100 cars - being held up after 8PM on a Monday night. I just don't think that was right at all. BTW, they didn't score...no one got pulled over that I saw!! mwah ha ha ha - Jeannette > Exactly. > > Although, on the other hand, it could be part of their "protect and > serve" > policy since they care sooo deeply about our well being and wouldn't > want > any dangerous vehicles out there on the roads ... No, that couldn't be > the > case, if it was, they wouldn't have such hefty fines ... > > It's a racket, > chris > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:37:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09832; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03016; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15306 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA11923 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:29:55 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:37:40 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, jencraig@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: RE: lemon law -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sometimes, just threatening to invoke the lemon law will get some action. After SWMBO's nifty German cage woofed its third tranny in 25k miles, we started sniffing around for recourse. Composed a letter to American headquarters and asked both the dealer manager and the regional manager if they thought we should send it. "Hey, let us just buy that thing back!" Be cool, act like you got the cards. Joe 900 Ninja >>> "O'Brien, Jeannette" - 6/2/98 12:07 PM >>> I used to work for an attorney who told me that after 3 tries, they're out. Basically, the law somewhere, somehow says that they owe you if they can't get it fixed by 3 tries. I hope this helps...happened to me one time but I didn't use the lemon law...I should have. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: jencraig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 6:55 AM > To: dc-cycles; TL LIST > Subject: lemon law > > I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 > times > for repair > still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or > knowledge > about lemon law > other than hiring a lawyer??? > Looking for helpful suggestions only.... > Thanks Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:45:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09975; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03503; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15612 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yguBD-0000yL-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:44:55 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:43:17 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A89@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Backpack and Racing Seat... Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:44:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I commute to work on my bike (sometimes over 30 miles) & usually carry a heavy backpack which plays hell with my back on my new bike. My question is: since I have a single-seater that's incapable of really hooking the backpack on well with a bungee, is there any other way to strap my backpack to the back or do I have to settle with getting some packs or luggage attached to the bike, which I don't want to do...(?) Thanks! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:59:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10321; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04076; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16168 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:59:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:59:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Probably a mix of being low on general tax revenue, and high on money for law enforcement (Didn't big brother Bill push for and get more money for more police?), so they put the extra police where they can collect more revenue. Witness Arlington County making a big show on the evening news about how they are putting officers on BIKE PATHS to crack down on the various SERIOUS CRIMES that occur in that area, like not wearing a helmet or not having a registration sticker or spitting on the sidewalk. My God, how did we get along before? Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 11:13 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Equifax > > > For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or > something...NO!! > THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait > in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of > THIS!!?? > > The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from > the > general population. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:08:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10519; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04241; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16415 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA29337 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:07:57 -0400 Message-ID: <35743147.1A9D0329@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:07:19 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Backpack and Racing Seat... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A89@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about a tankbag? Is there some combination tankbag/backpack out there somewhere? My magnetic bag stays on with no additional straps, but the size is somewhat limited and I don't carry diskettes in it. The CD's seem to do ok though :-) Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > I commute to work on my bike (sometimes over 30 miles) & usually carry a > heavy backpack which plays hell with my back on my new bike. > My question is: since I have a single-seater that's incapable of really > hooking the backpack on well with a bungee, is there any other way to > strap my backpack to the back or do I have to settle with getting some > packs or luggage attached to the bike, which I don't want to do...(?) > > Thanks! > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:10:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10556; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04310; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16494 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18605 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:10:07 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:10:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Dc-Cycles@Cs. Umd. Edu'" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:10:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >Concealed carry permits...isn't the operative word there "concealed"? The reason for the permit is that one doesn't require a permit to carry unconcealed in Virginny. Just THINK of how the crowd at the mall will react... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:10:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10565; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04396; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16522 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygua5-00038Z-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:38 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:08:58 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A91@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:05 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Lucky me, I just bought a house in Arlington!! ; ) I must say, though, being a female runner I don't mind cops on running paths... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Mersch, Tom [SMTP:merscht@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:00 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Equifax > > > Probably a mix of being low on general tax revenue, and high on money > for > law enforcement (Didn't big brother Bill push for and get more money > for > more police?), so they put the extra police where they can collect > more > revenue. Witness Arlington County making a big show on the evening > news > about how they are putting officers on BIKE PATHS to crack down on the > various SERIOUS CRIMES that occur in that area, like not wearing a > helmet or > not having a registration sticker or spitting on the sidewalk. My > God, how > did we get along before? > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 11:13 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > > > For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or > > something...NO!! > > THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to > wait > > in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because > of > > THIS!!?? > > > > The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money > from > > the > > general population. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:15:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10639; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04658; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16645 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA11491; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:11:02 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma011078; Tue, 2 Jun 98 13:10:33 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA24218; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:04:55 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256617.005D1F0F ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:57:07 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256617.005CF223.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:11:11 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII First let me clarify that my comments are directed at the system, not the individual officers. I agree with you here Todd, they probably don't like it either. However, why the hell do we have to have stickers on our cars anyhow? If I don't pay the tax, they can printout my name and address and send a collections offical over to get it. Let the officers worry about crime. Similarly, I pay my IRS taxes each year too, but don't wear a lapel pin that says I did. I maintain that they make you put the sticker on there (assuming were talking county stickers, not inspection ones) just for the fact that you CAN get pulled over for it. Why? because americans value their driving privaledges and they want to hit you where it hurts. Seen any of the latest proposals out there to take away your license if you fall behind on alimony or childsupport, or as a teenager ditch or get suspended from school? Just because an agency CAN do it doesn't make it right. --chris PS. Todd, Virginians did complain about this in RECORD numbers last year, and even elected a new governor who "promised" to take care of it. Guess what ... he hasn't. And even worse, his current idea of how to take care of it, is not what he promised while campaigning and will take 5-8 years, with the bulk of the savings conveniently coming after he has left office. To: jlobrien@XXXXXX cc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US, sbeck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 12:27:00 PM AST Subject: RE: Equifax Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that they may not be very interested in your time management needs when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). If citizens would complain more to both the police department and the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes that get away w/o paying when you do. In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would rather be doing something else. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:27:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10811; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05040; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16944 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.64.237]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980602172654.RIF14006@rude>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:26:54 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980602132501.006b3c20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:25:01 -0400 To: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Equifax Cc: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <19980602143349.DBRZ11142@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Todd-- Equifax uses public records. The info belongs to anyone. Sell the info? No, they're selling the service of gathering the info. Face it, we're stuck. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:32:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10875; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05126; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17103 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6D3304024A; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:30:59 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602132015.0102f960@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:20:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <85256617.00531CB4.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or >something...NO!! >THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait >in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of >THIS!!?? > >The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from the >general population. That's a lousy way to check for tax stickers, but speaking as someone who pays his taxes, I say - catch those tax cheats! I'll pay my own taxes, but I don't want to have to pay extra taxes to make up for the tax cheats. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:32:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10879; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05133; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17106 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6D1304024A; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:31:00 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602133004.0103b760@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:30:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I'm alive In-Reply-To: <35742953.46F84EA9@illuminet.net> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602081308.00fa8750@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Chris Norloff said: >>But a person's priviledge to >> drive ends when they cannot safely control their vehicle on a public road - >> no matter what their age is. > >It needs to end just before that point - but that's where the problem >is. Without daily testing (perhaps hourly for LD types like me) there >is no way to identify these unsafe people. Therefore, my preference is >toward personal responsiblity. The other direction leads to support of >Equifax. >Leon And therein lies the rub. I, too, promote personal responsibility - but how do you compensate someone for loss of an arm or leg, or death? It can't be compensated, because money is the only way we can do it. So we insure and we sue. Equifax has the advantage of getting dangerous cagers off the road, if it works right. Remember the infamous Willis Curry? He's the dump truck driver who collects licenses and tickets like candy. He kept wrecking into things until he killed someone here in DC. So they let him off. Guess what, he kept driving! He got caught again and someone with an ounce of common sense put the bastard in jail awaiting trial. The jury found him guilty, but not willfully. They said he was basically too stupid to realize that speeding in an overloaded truck with bad brakes could kill someone. If we can get reprobates like this off the road permanently, and show that criminally irresponsible drivers are actually prosecuted, maybe we can cut down this "I'm insured so I couldn't care less about wrecking" attitiude. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:33:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10900; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05190; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17210 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3249 invoked from network); 2 Jun 1998 17:33:19 -0000 Received: from dyn01.pm1.leesburg.va.us.crosslink.net (HELO gwf) (206.246.86.97) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 1998 17:33:19 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01bd8e4d$2ba806e0$6156f6ce@gwf> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Summit Point Question Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:37:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Does anyone know the rule regarding dirt bikes at Summit Point? Sure, they have signs "No Off Road Vehicles", but I use but dirt bike to get to some of the secluded sections of the track with my camera, and to get around the paddock area when we are pitted there. The reason I ask, is a friend and fellow racer took mine over to turn 7 Monday during Cycle Sport Day and a fellow in a red truck pulled up and told him "No off road vehicles". Hey, if that's the rule, then I better see them telling everyone (dirt bikes, 4 wheelers, etc.), not a selected few. I see young kids, old kids, everyone ridding them. I don't go busting through the pits an 100 mph, nor do I have a Motorcross race across the fields, it just fun transportation. Your thoughts/comments welcome also. Gary W. Foreman `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR judgement to avoid situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR skills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:58:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11336; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05651; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18060 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA16104 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:57:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA19259 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602175747.HJET20960@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:57:47 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:57:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bd8e4f$f1a62500$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602132015.0102f960@norloff.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Speaking of such things, I was delayed for a while last night going home at the top of the ramp coming off the 395 HOV lanes at the Springfield/Franconia Parkway. There were four motorcycle cops ticketing HOV scofflaws. The ramp is narrow and they had one lane closed off with those getting tickets. The car full of commuter drones ahead of me cheered for the cops as they went by. I am always happy to see the scofflaws get their due, I just wish the authorities could find a better way to do it. Plus, in defense of the law-breakers - there is no legal way to get directly from 95 to the Springfield/Franconia Parkway aka Fairfax County Parkway. The massive redesign that will occur over the next 10-15 years will construct one, but what a stupid way to build a new road. IMHO LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:20 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax >For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or >something...NO!! >THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait >in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of >THIS!!?? > >The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from the >general population. That's a lousy way to check for tax stickers, but speaking as someone who pays his taxes, I say - catch those tax cheats! I'll pay my own taxes, but I don't want to have to pay extra taxes to make up for the tax cheats. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:59:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11381; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05662; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18092 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Good intentions are wonderful. Results are what we really live with. What has been the big effect of an Equifax, or other, driver record database? Have a "significant" (please, no "IF one life is saved" stuff -- we don't know that any lives HAVE been saved) number of dangerous people lost their licenses, unable to get them in another jurisdiction? Has this really kept them off the road? On the other hand, have a significant number of people had their insurance premiums increased without good cause? > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:30 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > >Chris Norloff said: > >>But a person's priviledge to > >> drive ends when they cannot safely control their vehicle on a public > road - > >> no matter what their age is. > > > >It needs to end just before that point - but that's where the problem > >is. Without daily testing (perhaps hourly for LD types like me) there > >is no way to identify these unsafe people. Therefore, my preference is > >toward personal responsiblity. The other direction leads to support of > >Equifax. > >Leon > > And therein lies the rub. I, too, promote personal responsibility - but > how do you compensate someone for loss of an arm or leg, or death? It > can't be compensated, because money is the only way we can do it. So we > insure and we sue. > > Equifax has the advantage of getting dangerous cagers off the road, if it > works right. Remember the infamous Willis Curry? He's the dump truck > driver who collects licenses and tickets like candy. He kept wrecking > into > things until he killed someone here in DC. So they let him off. Guess > what, he kept driving! He got caught again and someone with an ounce of > common sense put the bastard in jail awaiting trial. The jury found him > guilty, but not willfully. They said he was basically too stupid to > realize that speeding in an overloaded truck with bad brakes could kill > someone. > > If we can get reprobates like this off the road permanently, and show that > criminally irresponsible drivers are actually prosecuted, maybe we can cut > down this "I'm insured so I couldn't care less about wrecking" attitiude. > > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:06:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11495; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05766; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18311 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEE12210276; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:05:21 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602140416.0100b300@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:04:16 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 6/2/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >>Concealed carry permits...isn't the operative word there "concealed"? > >The reason for the permit is that one doesn't require a permit to carry >unconcealed in Virginny. You just can't carry at all in some places, right? Places that serve or sell alcohol, I think. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:06:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11499; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05762; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18313 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEDE2210276; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:05:21 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602140724.0100ed30@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:07:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <85256617.005CF223.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:11 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >PS. Todd, Virginians did complain about this in RECORD numbers last year, >and even elected a new governor who "promised" to take care of it. Guess >what ... he hasn't. And even worse, his current idea of how to take care >of it, is not what he promised while campaigning and will take 5-8 years, >with the bulk of the savings conveniently coming after he has left office. Actually, Gilmore is doing close to what he said - phasing out the car tax over a period of years. He said that many times in his campaign - but too many people remember only the "No Car Tax" sound bite. So now Gilmore and the General Assembly have cut taxes and are borrowing money to have enough to run our schools. Wonderful. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:06:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11503; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05770; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18319 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEE02210276; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:05:20 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602135218.0100a770@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:52:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:59 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: >Witness Arlington County making a big show on the evening news >about how they are putting officers on BIKE PATHS to crack down on the >various SERIOUS CRIMES that occur in that area, like not wearing a helmet or >not having a registration sticker or spitting on the sidewalk. My God, how >did we get along before? Apparently there have been a number of bad accidents in Rosslyn when bicyclists run red lights. Helmets are required only for riders 14 years or younger (as I recall from a sign on the bike path last night). You don't mean registration stickers for bicycles, do you? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:07:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11517; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05793; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18344 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA12742 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:00:13 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:05:13 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:07:56 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point Question -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I know this rule exists at other tracks too, such as Brainerd MN, which has its own security officers in two cars not enforcing it. I=27ve seen the signs at Summit, but last time we were there (april 11) there was all manner of young=27uns on everything from 50cc motocrossers to ATVs to a KX 100(?) jetted so rich I=27m surprised they could keep it in plugs for the weekend. These grommets didn=27t seem deterred one bit by the = =22law,=22 and a couple of them were way too fast for the narrow infield road. I=27m surprised you got stopped. Guess if they=27re busting adults, you could run a dummy headlight and staple a plate to the back. Joe =2772 Aermacchi H-D SX 350 (Licensed & legal for infield use) >>> =22Gary Foreman=22 - 6/2/98 1:37 PM >>> Does anyone know the rule regarding dirt bikes at Summit Point? Sure, they have signs =22No Off Road Vehicles=22, but I use but dirt bike to get to some of the secluded sections of the track with my camera, and to get around the paddock area when we are pitted there. The reason I ask, is a friend and fellow racer took mine over to turn 7 Monday during Cycle Sport Day and a fellow in a red truck pulled up and told him =22No off road vehicles=22. Hey, if that=27s the rule, then I better = see them telling everyone (dirt bikes, 4 wheelers, etc.), not a selected few. I see young kids, old kids, everyone ridding them. I don=27t go busting through the pits an 100 mph, nor do I have a Motorcross race across the fields, it just fun transportation. Your thoughts/comments welcome also. Gary W. Foreman `..=B8=B8..=B4=AF`..=B8=B8..=B4=AF`..=B8=B8..=B4=AF`..=B8=B8..=B4=AF`..=B8= =B8..=B4=AF`..=B8=B8..=B4=AF`..=B8 A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR judgement to avoid situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR skills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:19:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11624; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06048; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18657 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:18:59 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA21258 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:18:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199806021818.AA21258@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:18:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:18:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:18:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:16:41 -0400 Subject: RE: I'm alive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME You bring up an interesting point...a very large percentage of really bad habitual offenders routinely drive on a suspended or revoked license anyway...it's kinda like the old saying "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"....you think the common gun toting criminal purchases a gun legally? The same holds true for the habitual offender on the roads..the REALLY scary part was what the Va State Police announced to DMV employees about 5 years ago... that they suspect,(the numbers could be higher), that 1 out of every ten cars on the road is being driven by someone who isn't legally allowed to do so for one reason or another (expired plates, no taxes paid, unsafe vehicle, suspended/revoked license, restricted license etc.), and that because of the loose communications infrastructure between D.C. Maryland and Virginia, 1 out of every 25 cars are being driven by people who have been decreed by court order NOT to drive! Also, if mental stability was a prerequisite, 25% of the licensed drivers in this area probably would not be issued a license! Keep that in mind the next time you're on the beltway.. 8-P cheers, -aki > > Good intentions are wonderful. Results are what we really live with. What > has been the big effect of an Equifax, or other, driver record database? > Have a "significant" (please, no "IF one life is saved" stuff -- we don't > know that any lives HAVE been saved) number of dangerous people lost their > licenses, unable to get them in another jurisdiction? Has this really kept > them off the road? On the other hand, have a significant number of people > had their insurance premiums increased without good cause? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:30 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > > > >Chris Norloff said: > > >>But a person's priviledge to > > >> drive ends when they cannot safely control their vehicle on a public > > road - > > >> no matter what their age is. > > > > > >It needs to end just before that point - but that's where the problem > > >is. Without daily testing (perhaps hourly for LD types like me) there > > >is no way to identify these unsafe people. Therefore, my preference is > > >toward personal responsiblity. The other direction leads to support of > > >Equifax. > > >Leon > > > > And therein lies the rub. I, too, promote personal responsibility - but > > how do you compensate someone for loss of an arm or leg, or death? It > > can't be compensated, because money is the only way we can do it. So we > > insure and we sue. > > > > Equifax has the advantage of getting dangerous cagers off the road, if it > > works right. Remember the infamous Willis Curry? He's the dump truck > > driver who collects licenses and tickets like candy. He kept wrecking > > into > > things until he killed someone here in DC. So they let him off. Guess > > what, he kept driving! He got caught again and someone with an ounce of > > common sense put the bastard in jail awaiting trial. The jury found him > > guilty, but not willfully. They said he was basically too stupid to > > realize that speeding in an overloaded truck with bad brakes could kill > > someone. > > > > If we can get reprobates like this off the road permanently, and show that > > criminally irresponsible drivers are actually prosecuted, maybe we can cut > > down this "I'm insured so I couldn't care less about wrecking" attitiude. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:19:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11633; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06076; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18673 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A1DA20D0290; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:18:05 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602141541.01013100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:15:41 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <000401bd8e4f$f1a62500$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980602132015.0102f960@norloff.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:57 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: >Speaking of such things, I was delayed for a while last night going home at >the top of the ramp coming off the 395 HOV lanes at the >Springfield/Franconia Parkway. There were four motorcycle cops ticketing >HOV scofflaws. The ramp is narrow and they had one lane closed off with >those getting tickets. The car full of commuter drones ahead of me cheered >for the cops as they went by. I am always happy to see the scofflaws get >their due, I just wish the authorities could find a better way to do it. I go through routine stops getting off 66 in Falls Church during HOV times. Personally, I have to admit I like it. There's seldom any backup. And it was fun to watch an officer start to lose his cool when he was talking with me and people tried to go around him on both shoulders!! The only part I don't like is that my tax sticker is hard to see, 'cause it's around toward the back of the fork leg - too many stickers and too little fork leg. To make it MORE difficult, the new green stickers are translucent, and since the logical place to put it is over last year's red sticker, the new green one doesn't look very green. I was questioned about this last night until cars came behind. I carry the receipt, but what a pain. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:19:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11638; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06081; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18677 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A1DE20D0290; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:18:06 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602142126.01013960@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:21:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: I'm alive In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:59 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: > >Good intentions are wonderful. Results are what we really live with. Agreed. Life is full of unintentional results. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and all that. >What >has been the big effect of an Equifax, or other, driver record database? >Have a "significant" (please, no "IF one life is saved" stuff -- we don't >know that any lives HAVE been saved) number of dangerous people lost their >licenses, unable to get them in another jurisdiction? Has this really kept >them off the road? Unknown. I suspect it's been responsible for identifying bad drivers who try to skirt state laws by going to other states. Commercial truckers, back in the days of multiple licenses, multiple outstanding tickets, and coast-to-coast on a handful of bennies, were so out of control that we now have the Commercial Drivers License and a lot of communication among states. >On the other hand, have a significant number of people >had their insurance premiums increased without good cause? I'm sure many would think that premiums were increased with good cause, in that the tickets were not unconsidered out of ignorance. But I'll never say that a ticket for 56 in a 55 is good cause to raise premiums. There's so much good and bad with something like this. I think the best is to keep working with it to get the scumbags off the road, and intrude as little as possible on law-abiding citizens. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:28:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11810; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06339; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18949 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19460; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:28:33 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D04B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Gary Foreman'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Summit Point Question Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:28:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Gary, Do to insurance reasons, they don't allow off road vehicles out there. Unfortunately, there is generally no one able to enforce it. At the riders meeting, the race director asked all of us folks to help police it ourselves, and that any pit bike must have rider numbers and stay in the paddock. On Cycle Sport's track day, they were doing some construction back in there, and the guy that stopped you was affilliated with the track owners moreso than with the track day.... 9 times out of 10, no one will say anything, but occasionally, they will.... Hope you enjoyed the day at the track... Did you ride on the track as well?? Which bike? > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [SMTP:gforeman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:43 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Summit Point Question > > Does anyone know the rule regarding dirt bikes at Summit Point? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:32:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11919; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06476; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known vulture.wheatintl.com [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19092 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 326; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:31:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980602142934.00a11a40@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:31:35 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" isnt that what the lottery is for :-) We just need more lotto ticket purchasing, fewer payouts, and everythings gonna work out fine :P At 02:07 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 01:11 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >>PS. Todd, Virginians did complain about this in RECORD numbers last year, >>and even elected a new governor who "promised" to take care of it. Guess >>what ... he hasn't. And even worse, his current idea of how to take care >>of it, is not what he promised while campaigning and will take 5-8 years, >>with the bulk of the savings conveniently coming after he has left office. > > >Actually, Gilmore is doing close to what he said - phasing out the car tax >over a period of years. He said that many times in his campaign - but too >many people remember only the "No Car Tax" sound bite. > >So now Gilmore and the General Assembly have cut taxes and are borrowing >money to have enough to run our schools. Wonderful. > >Chris Norloff > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Mike Troutman South Park / Simpsons / Quake Addict (h)703.830.7733 (p)703.660.3098 http://www.troutman.org "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no life guard. " ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:34:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11947; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06508; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19153 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04339 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:34:36 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:34:36 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:34:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT >You just can't carry at all in some places, right? Places that serve or >sell alcohol, I think. Correct - there are a number of places where one may not carry (concealed or otherwise). Places that merely sell alcohol have been deemed OK as long as there is no license to consume on premises - i.e. it's OK to carry into Safeway or the 7-11, but NOT Harry's Bar & Girl Additionally, any private property (stores are private property) where the owner has posted his (or her) desire that you not carry (it is their property, after all) Michael (carrying (sometimes)) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:35:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11957; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06518; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19157 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Good News Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Okay, folks. I hate to break in with good news in the middle of all the grousing (especially when I was having so much fun grousing). Yesterday, one of the accesses to northbound Rock Creek Parkway (where you could also try for Penn Ave or the Whitehurst Freeway) was closed with no warning. This prompted several cages, and one motorcyclist who shall remain nameless, to cut through the orange cones and attempt to backtrack to a place where we could get over the median and go back to a different Parkway access (result: wrong way on a one way street). Naturally, at the same time a DC cop showed up and pulled over the two cages and one motorcycle that hadn't quite made it to or through the cutout in the median yet. After getting license and registration from the cagers, she pointed at me and said "license and registration" while on her way back to the cruiser. I'm getting to the good news part. After writing tickets for the cagers and waiting for them to disappear, she came up to me and said "go ahead." I wonder if she was the same woman cop who helped another of our listers get out of a ticket for an illegal left turn onto the Whitehurst recently? Tom Mersch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:45:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12115; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06740; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19488 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygw3w-0003VU-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:45:32 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:43:34 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AA3@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Good News Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:44:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Not everyone hates us!! : ) > After writing tickets for the cagers and waiting for them to > disappear, she > came up to me and said "go ahead." > > I wonder if she was the same woman cop who helped another of our > listers get > out of a ticket for an illegal left turn onto the Whitehurst recently? > > Tom Mersch > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:46:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12121; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06765; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19503 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA23192; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma023107; Tue, 2 Jun 98 14:45:49 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:47:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:47:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain No, this is not correct. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:08 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I'm alive The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:48:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12144; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06802; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19588 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA23469; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma023388; Tue, 2 Jun 98 14:47:30 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Is it "their" information? It's public information, so by definition it's theirs, and mine, and yours, and everyone's. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:24 AM To: Whiteside, John Cc: 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Equifax Maybe they collected the information from public records, but do they have a right to sell the information? Is it their information? T Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:33 -0400 All the info Equifax is collecting is public records (accident reports, traffic citations, etc.), so I think you have no hope of stopping them. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:47 PM To: klthomas@XXXXXX Cc: Mersch, Tom; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Equifax Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially when no violation of law has been proven. Todd >Y'all-- > >I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >tickets issued or police report written. > >Equifax sucks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 15:10:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12353; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07141; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20255 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21507 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D04C@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: conceal laws: RE: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm not sure about here, but every state I've dealt with also prohibits carry of any sort in federal buildings. This includes the ole post office. Some states specifically mention banks, but many banks just have signs stating no carrying of guns which falls in with what Mike J mentioned below. Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 2:44 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Fender Bender club > > >You just can't carry at all in some places, right? Places that serve or > >sell alcohol, I think. > > Correct - there are a number of places where one may not carry > (concealed or otherwise). > > Places that merely sell alcohol have been deemed OK as long as there is > no license to consume on premises - i.e. it's OK to carry into Safeway > or the 7-11, but NOT Harry's Bar & Girl > > Additionally, any private property (stores are private property) where > the owner has posted his (or her) desire that you not carry (it is their > property, after all) > > Michael (carrying (sometimes)) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 15:56:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12952; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07738; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21485 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8AF34E024A; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:55:27 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602155852.0104e8e0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:58:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Silly MC Parking Meters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Our motorcycle parking area got metered two days ago. There's one with 2 hr. per quarter There's four with 90 min. per quarter The rest are 1 hr. per quarter. And they added one meter for the area past the last parking slot, and past the sign. Which is a real bummer because that's where I like to park the sidecar rig - pay for the cycle and let the sidecar hang into the not-a-parking-space area. fact is stranger than fiction, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 15:56:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12956; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07740; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21483 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8AE34E024A; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:55:26 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602155446.0104fc70@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:54:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980602142934.00a11a40@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:31 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >isnt that what the lottery is for :-) > >We just need more lotto ticket purchasing, fewer payouts, and everythings >gonna work out fine :P Yeah! Where's that money going anyway? You sure never hear about the millions of dollars generated for the gov'ts running these lottos. Lotteries are a tax on people who are bad at math, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:09:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13218; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07990; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22006 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-217-202.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.217.202]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16339; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602160334.006919c8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:03:34 -0400 To: "Christopher Meier", sbeck@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256617.005563B4.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" They weren't looking at inspection stickers... they were looking at COUNTY STICKERS!!! They're trying to catch folks who can't afford to pay the stupid property tax on vehicles. This is a REAL racket... unfortunately looks like we're all stuck with it despite the illusion that Gilmore presented at election time. -Tom At 11:37 AM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: > > > > >Exactly. > >Although, on the other hand, it could be part of their "protect and serve" >policy since they care sooo deeply about our well being and wouldn't want >any dangerous vehicles out there on the roads ... No, that couldn't be the >case, if it was, they wouldn't have such hefty fines ... > >It's a racket, >chris > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: sbeck@XXXXXX >Date: 06/02/98 11:12:33 AM AST >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > > >For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or >something...NO!! >THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait >in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of >THIS!!?? >The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from the >general population. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:10:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13238; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08023; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22064 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-217-202.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.217.202]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02431; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602161007.006cfae8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:10:07 -0400 To: , "Dc-Cycles@Cs. Umd. Edu" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: <199806021629.MAA15034@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <199806021446.AA07840@egate2.citicorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That story is nothing more than folk lore. Having the permit allows you to basically keep a loaded gun on your person... when yucked in his jeans... Lenzy's weapon is concealed... When he's riding on the highway, his jackets slides up and there you go... it makes for a rather good warning to evil-doers!! -Tom At 12:30 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Mooky the Crusader! wrote: > >Just adding a few comments of my own... > >Cell phones work great...if you're in a car. On a bike that is a limited >option... >I was in my MR2 on the beltway and this jerk side-swiped the front end of me >doing about 30-40mph in heavy traffic as he did a testosterone-induced pass >from the right...He mocked writing down the plate number in his mirror. I >upped the ante and held up my cell phone and proceeded to call the MD State >Police. They set up an unmarked cruiser ambush on I-95 for me and I >followed the guy right into it and the police pulled him over. No ticket >was issued (they say because of the "minor damage involved and nobody was >hurt") but I got the satisfaction of getting him pulled over and an accident >reported to his insurance company (which is in the progress of compensating >me for having to get my front air dam repaired). > >As for flashing high-beams at assholes, here is a scary story that I heard >soon after moving to the DC Area. Don't know if it's just folk tales meant >to scare children or not, but the rumor goes that there are people in a gang >that drive around at night with only parking lights on, and if you flash >your highbeams at them they will follow you to whereever you stop and shoot >you dead. Consequently I never flash my lights at people anymore...period. > >Concealed carry permits...isn't the operative word there "concealed"? > >--Keith >______________________________________________________________________ >http://mason.gmu.edu/~kwiedema '87 MR2 MkI NA T-Top Gold 'CHVALRY' >ICQ#: 10356340, AIM: Mooky8D '97 Ninja ZX-6E Bloodwine 'CNIHT' > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:25:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13525; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08307; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22488 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-217-202.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.217.202]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06890; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602161655.006d05c4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:16:55 -0400 To: Todd Peer , "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax Cc: "'Christopher Meier'" , sbeck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. -Tom At 12:27 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > > Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that > they may not be very interested in your time management needs > when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did > not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and > was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got > to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run > from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of > them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). > > If citizens would complain more to both the police department and > the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this > kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes > that get away w/o paying when you do. > > In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this > sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would > rather be doing something else. > > Todd > >I'm a law-abiding citizen, I pay my taxes, get my inspections done, get >my tags, etc. What bothers me is this constant intrusion into our >time!! I mean, here we are - at least 100 cars - being held up after >8PM on a Monday night. I just don't think that was right at all. BTW, >they didn't score...no one got pulled over that I saw!! >mwah ha ha ha > >- Jeannette > > > > >> Exactly. >> >> Although, on the other hand, it could be part of their "protect and >> serve" >> policy since they care sooo deeply about our well being and wouldn't >> want >> any dangerous vehicles out there on the roads ... No, that couldn't be >> the >> case, if it was, they wouldn't have such hefty fines ... >> >> It's a racket, >> chris >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:37:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13743; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08562; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22917 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A23A6990292; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:36:10 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602163924.01047210@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:39:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602161655.006d05c4@pop.mindspring.com> References: <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your 8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:50:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13914; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08800; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23330 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id QAA08640; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma008576; Tue, 2 Jun 98 16:49:35 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain You know, even with the car tax, Virginia is a low-tax state. The car tax is an exceptionally stupid way to collect taxes, but I am still paying significantly less than I did in DC, Massachusetts, Connecticut, or New York. (Two of those four states also had car taxes, along with higher sales taxes, higher income taxes, higher property taxes, etc.) To give you a $600 tax bill, that eight year old car had to have a value somewhere in the $12,000 range -- which makes it not exactly basic transportation. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 4:17 PM To: Todd Peer; O'Brien, Jeannette Cc: 'Christopher Meier'; sbeck@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. -Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:54:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13996; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08858; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23421 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:54:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WKSIa14706 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:53:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TL1000R Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 SOrry about the mix up, the bikes were a zx-11, cbr xx, and the tl100r. I went and looked at all of them today, had a few questions answered thanks to some non-helpful sales people and think I found my winner. I decided on the tl100r, Im gonna give it a week to let it sink in and just see... The xx went for 11499, the zx I didnt even get a price on, and the tl went for 9499. cant beat the price, and the only helpful salesman is giving me a great deal with helmet, cover, and some leathers. So, give it a week and I can once again join the group rides. Sean Petr TL1000R (Maybe?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:14:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14491; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09749; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24064 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p38dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.70]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13878; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35746BB1.E4922C67@smart.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:16:34 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh man, I would go with the S. Why hide that awesome looking motor under plastic? Also, the R model is new this year....bound to have some intro-year problems (like the S of last year). Do you mean that you didn't sign the deal and are waiting a week to make sure you're making the right decision? Smart move if that's what you did. Tough to do that with a high-pressure sales team. Where are you purchasing from? CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > SOrry about the mix up, the bikes were a zx-11, cbr xx, and the tl100r. I > went and looked at all of them today, had a few questions answered thanks to > some non-helpful sales people and think I found my winner. I decided on the > tl100r, Im gonna give it a week to let it sink in and just see... The xx went > for 11499, the zx I didnt even get a price on, and the tl went for 9499. cant > beat the price, and the only helpful salesman is giving me a great deal with > helmet, cover, and some leathers. So, give it a week and I can once again > join the group rides. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:18:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14526; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09897; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24135 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA04391; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35746BE2.37E47852@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:17:22 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: County taxes was Re: Equifax References: <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]> <3.0.1.32.19980602163924.01047210@norloff.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it depreciated 10% per year, it would have started at $25K. A current $25K car isn't much. Karen's minivan cost more than that last year. Leon one of DMV's 10%ers - or was that a different thread? Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: > >HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that > >couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head > >and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still > >charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm > >in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's > >the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > > Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your > 8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:28:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14816; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10130; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known vulture.wheatintl.com [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24369 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 346; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:27:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980602172719.009d4ae0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:27:35 -0400 To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since when is a car that costs $12k new not basic transportation (at least in this area)? At 04:50 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >You know, even with the car tax, Virginia is a low-tax state. The car tax is >an exceptionally stupid way to collect taxes, but I am still paying >significantly less than I did in DC, Massachusetts, Connecticut, or New >York. (Two of those four states also had car taxes, along with higher sales >taxes, higher income taxes, higher property taxes, etc.) > >To give you a $600 tax bill, that eight year old car had to have a value >somewhere in the $12,000 range -- which makes it not exactly basic >transportation. > >John Whiteside > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 4:17 PM >To: Todd Peer; O'Brien, Jeannette >Cc: 'Christopher Meier'; sbeck@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Equifax > > >HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > >-Tom > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Mike Troutman South Park / Simpsons / Quake Addict (h)703.830.7733 (p)703.660.3098 http://www.troutman.org "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no life guard. " ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:30:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14852; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10181; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24425 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26501; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602172954.006df9ec@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:29:54 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602163924.01047210@norloff.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980602161655.006d05c4@pop.mindspring.com> <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! -Tom At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > > >Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:39:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15002; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10337; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24701 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id RAA14835; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma014704; Tue, 2 Jun 98 17:38:30 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He wasn't talking about a new car, he was talking about an 8 year old car. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:28 PM To: Whiteside, John; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Since when is a car that costs $12k new not basic transportation (at least in this area)? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:41:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15033; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10373; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24737 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id RAA15239; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma015172; Tue, 2 Jun 98 17:41:02 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:42:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: County taxes was Re: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:42:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain But if you're so poor you can't pay your taxes, you can buy a new car for more like $10-15K, or a used car for even less. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:17 PM To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: County taxes was Re: Equifax If it depreciated 10% per year, it would have started at $25K. A current $25K car isn't much. Karen's minivan cost more than that last year. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:45:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15067; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10491; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24782 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA02004; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806022146.RAA02004@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: lemon law To: jencraig@XXXXXX (jencraig) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3573DA0E.E3250713@tidalwave.net> from "jencraig" at Jun 2, 98 11:55:10 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Subject: lemon law > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 times > for repair > still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or knowledge > about lemon law > other than hiring a lawyer??? > Looking for helpful suggestions only.... > Thanks Craig > I thought you are driving TL, not a H-D.. ( sorry, couldn't resist ). Glad to see you back on list; sorry to hear that it is not fixed. Look on the web for Consumer Digest they usually have a lotsa of info; also do a search on Yahoo for "lemon law". _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:47:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15090; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10606; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24862 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id RAA15890; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma015877; Tue, 2 Jun 98 17:47:15 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:48:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:48:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Then why was the bill $600?!?!? John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:30 PM To: Chris Norloff; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! -Tom At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > > >Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:50:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15122; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10664; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24930 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16221; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602175007.006e61fc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:50:07 -0400 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: TL1000R In-Reply-To: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Read the right up's on it first. That thing in more like the gixxer750 than the TL1000 and seems to require a lot of setup to work for the rider. The TL may be a better street going motorcycle than the TL-R. The TL doesn't look anywhere near as cool as the TL-R though IMO. If the TL-R is what you're thinking about though then you may as well look at a RR, ZX9R, or R1(next season because there are none available). -Tom At 04:53 PM 6/2/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >SOrry about the mix up, the bikes were a zx-11, cbr xx, and the tl100r. I >went and looked at all of them today, had a few questions answered thanks to >some non-helpful sales people and think I found my winner. I decided on the >tl100r, Im gonna give it a week to let it sink in and just see... The xx went >for 11499, the zx I didnt even get a price on, and the tl went for 9499. cant >beat the price, and the only helpful salesman is giving me a great deal with >helmet, cover, and some leathers. So, give it a week and I can once again >join the group rides. > >Sean Petr >TL1000R (Maybe?) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:51:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15134; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10692; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24962 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22420; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602175128.006e3f6c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:51:28 -0400 To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That was my TransAm.. daily transportation. -Tom At 04:50 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >You know, even with the car tax, Virginia is a low-tax state. The car tax is >an exceptionally stupid way to collect taxes, but I am still paying >significantly less than I did in DC, Massachusetts, Connecticut, or New >York. (Two of those four states also had car taxes, along with higher sales >taxes, higher income taxes, higher property taxes, etc.) > >To give you a $600 tax bill, that eight year old car had to have a value >somewhere in the $12,000 range -- which makes it not exactly basic >transportation. > >John Whiteside > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 4:17 PM >To: Todd Peer; O'Brien, Jeannette >Cc: 'Christopher Meier'; sbeck@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Equifax > > >HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > >-Tom > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:57:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15217; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10844; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25111 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20808; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602175650.006e6aa8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:56:50 -0400 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: TL1000R Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35746BB1.E4922C67@smart.net> References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In addition.. you may want to look at a Gixxer750... a proven beast!!!! 900RR killer, etc. since you seem to be leaning in that direction. The TL-R is a "pure race bike" as Suzuki puts it. -Tom Zell At 05:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >Oh man, I would go with the S. Why hide that awesome looking motor under >plastic? Also, the R model is new this year....bound to have some intro-year >problems (like the S of last year). > >Do you mean that you didn't sign the deal and are waiting a week to make sure >you're making the right decision? Smart move if that's what you did. Tough to do >that with a high-pressure sales team. Where are you purchasing from? > >CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > >> SOrry about the mix up, the bikes were a zx-11, cbr xx, and the tl100r. I >> went and looked at all of them today, had a few questions answered thanks to >> some non-helpful sales people and think I found my winner. I decided on the >> tl100r, Im gonna give it a week to let it sink in and just see... The xx went >> for 11499, the zx I didnt even get a price on, and the tl went for 9499. cant >> beat the price, and the only helpful salesman is giving me a great deal with >> helmet, cover, and some leathers. So, give it a week and I can once again >> join the group rides. > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:01:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15316; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10996; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25198 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09900; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602180042.006e8734@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:00:42 -0400 To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: County taxes was Re: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It wasn't a matter of being "poor" so to speak, but a matter of having priorities. My woman at the time went basically nuts and could not work so it was up to me to keep it all together. That meant paying for her meds, and hospital stuff, in addition to a car payment, rent, gas, elect., FOOD, etc. -Tom At 05:42 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >But if you're so poor you can't pay your taxes, you can buy a new car for >more like $10-15K, or a used car for even less. > >John Whiteside > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:17 PM >To: Chris Norloff >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: County taxes was Re: Equifax > > >If it depreciated 10% per year, it would have started at $25K. A >current $25K car isn't much. Karen's minivan cost more than that last >year. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:02:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15338; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11067; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25232 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22991; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602180234.006e8c10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:02:34 -0400 To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Becaus it's Fairfax Cnty I guess... the county makes up the tax rate, not the state. Fortunately, life is much, much better now!! And that bill did not include my CB750 at the time. -Tom At 05:48 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >Then why was the bill $600?!?!? > >John Whiteside > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:30 PM >To: Chris Norloff; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Equifax > > >It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! > >-Tom > >At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >> >> >>Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >>8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! >> >>Chris Norloff >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:21:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15586; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11405; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25698 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:21:03 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUERa08936 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:20:24 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: lemon law Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-02 12:20:53 EDT, you write: << I think Jack had this very same problem with his TL. If you reported under warranty, you should be ok. Just don't let them pull some BMW stunt and tell you it was designed to leak! >> Actually I have NOT had this problem but it is fairly common on the 97 S models. Plus, I dont believe lemon laws apply to bikes. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:30:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15724; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11500; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25935 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-245.s245.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.245]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02562; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35747D5F.538621B8@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:31:59 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas W. Zell" CC: "Thomas H. Gimer" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602175650.006e6aa8@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd have to disagree with that a little bit Tom. From the factory, the TL-R is a bit on the heavy side. They designed the frame for world superbike competition without the need for heavy mosification/stiffening like the other brands. It's torque curve is downright flat (very high, but flat) so you don't get that kick in the but feel of the TL-S, but it should pull hard from any rev range. >From the one I saw at cycle sport, it looks liveable on comfort compared to the S model, but the XX and ZX are probably both better for the longer sporty trips. Don't know what Tom G. is talking about hiding that awesome motor...the TL's motor is pretty boring looking...granted the S model's frame is a little neater looking though. As for intro year problems, it's not a true entry year model...the S was the entry year model for the most part. They've got most of the engine/FI bugs worked out, they've made some changes to the rear suspension setup to make it a pretty awsome unit (rotary damper and all), and they through it in more or less a heavy GSXR frame...also very proven. I really don't expect that many bugs out of the R model this year...but we'll see... If you do end up with the R model, give us a report...I'd love to hear all about how they feel from a "real" person rather than a moto-journalist. Speaking of that, remember when motorcyclist and cycle world used to use test riders ranging from expert racers down to fairly novice riders so you could get a good impression of the bike??? I really miss that... I always thought it more valuable to see what a moderate level rider like me thought of the various bikes rather then what joe expert thought of it as a track only bike. Speaking of RR killers, my stock race bike had no trouble eating the RR's up except at the very top, but that's cause I couldn't pull top speed due to my steering problems....the R1 didn't pull away too very hard either... Thomas W. Zell wrote: > TL-R is a "pure race bike" as Suzuki puts it. > -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:48:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15976; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11641; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26311 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p38dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.70]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17044; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:21 -0400 Message-ID: <357481CB.41616B14@smart.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:50:52 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: "Thomas W. Zell" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602175650.006e6aa8@pop.mindspring.com> <35747D5F.538621B8@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin: You're right, the motor itself isn't awesome looking....its the exposed look that I am attracted to. As far as originality is concerned, the S model definitely has it, IMHO. Sounds like you impressed plenty of folks out at Summit. Didn't surprise some of us one bit. I hope I can get out to see your next attempt. Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Don't know what Tom G. is talking about hiding that awesome motor...the > TL's motor is pretty boring looking...granted the S model's frame is a > little neater looking though. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:49:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15981; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11647; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26315 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA05314; Tue, 2 Jun 98 18:47:32 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 v2.11); 2 Jun 98 15:48:19 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 v2.10); 2 Jun 98 15:48:04 -0800 Received: from vrc_reflib (157.187.160.121) by BAYVIEW (Mercury/32 v2.11); 2 Jun 98 15:47:58 -0800 From: "Bruce Dimon, A&T Engineering, VECTOR Research" To: "Burger, Donald " , "DC Cycles (IPM Return requested)" Subject: RE: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:47:17 -0700 Message-Id: <001301bd8e78$65df61c0$79a0bb9d@vrc_reflib.verticalreality> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Importance: Normal Several years ago, my cousin found out that they do enforce the Rock Creek Parkway speed limits. She also discovered that being a well-respected doctor driving a fancy Jaguar will not keep you out of jail if you do not have your driver's license. She was flying low (maybe 50 or 55MPH) late at night. Two other things she found out: the answers to the questions: "Do you know who I am?" and "Who's in charge here?" are "I don't care." and "Sit down and be quiet, Ma'am." That said, do the police dare to enforce the limit during rush hour? It seems pretty dangerous to pull somebody over during the rush. Maybe that's why they want photo radar. Has anybody been pulled over during rush hour while "going with the flow?" I always assumed the cops did not want to pick anybody out of the pack, no matter how fast it was moving. Bruce Breipfjvrp Dimon, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (Core Duh Lane, Eye Duh Hoe) Wing for Go! Not for Show. dimon@XXXXXX Work E-Mail Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Home E-Mail North Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 19:03:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16146; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12361; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26612 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:03:07 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.22]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980602230236.GEMT14006@rude>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:02:36 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980602190045.00733ca0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:00:45 -0400 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: TL1000R Cc: "Thomas H. Gimer" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35747D5F.538621B8@geocities.com> References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602175650.006e6aa8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Collin-- You don't get MCN, do you? later Kevin At 06:31 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: Speaking of that, remember when motorcyclist and cycle world used to use test riders ranging from expert racers down to fairly novice riders so you could get a good impression of the bike??? I really miss that... I always thought it more valuable to see what a moderate level rider like me thought of the various bikes rather then what joe expert thought of it as a track only bike. > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 19:09:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16262; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12680; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26724 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-245.s245.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.245]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23968; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35748660.27858B99@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:10:24 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: klthomas@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602175650.006e6aa8@XXXXXX> <3.0.3.32.19980602190045.00733ca0@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit he he he.. nope.. let me guess... they thrashed the TL-R for everything that I said? :) My comments are based solely upon some initial ride reports and a few comments from race teams...and just looking at it in the show room..never ridden one..and only seen one of them racing this weekend (took second in the race behind a TL-S)... So my thoughts are probably worth less than $.02 klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > > Collin-- > > You don't get MCN, do you? > > later > Kevin > > At 06:31 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > Speaking of that, remember when motorcyclist and cycle world used to use > test riders ranging from expert racers down to fairly novice riders so > you could get a good impression of the bike??? I really miss that... I > always thought it more valuable to see what a moderate level rider like > me thought of the various bikes rather then what joe expert thought of > it as a track only bike. > > > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 19:25:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16559; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12892; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27220 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:25:30 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTQCa05134 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:24:58 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: TL1000R Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_896829899_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_896829899_boundary Content-ID: <0_896829899@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_896829899_boundary Content-ID: <0_896829899@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Return-path: To: gixer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:23:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in a race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats not too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It may be heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts in the Goldwing(my dream bike). Sean Petr --part0_896829899_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 20:57:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17522; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13585; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28500 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p38dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.70]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20796; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:56:54 -0400 Message-ID: <35749FED.E62A2CDE@smart.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:59:26 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well put, Sean. The TL1000R certainly is an attention getter....would like to see it on a ride soon. Are you going with the sick-looking yellow I've seen in the motomags or the gixer color scheme (or are there more choices)? CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in a > race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats not > too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It may be > heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does > everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts in > the Goldwing(my dream bike). -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:07:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17599; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13674; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28623 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-203.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.203]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id VAA01949; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602202603.00abbd70@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:26:03 -0400 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <199806021438.AA07192@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980602080939.00fa9100@norloff.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is why my 2nd license is from the U.S. Virgin Islands. :) Can you say "Third World?" I knew you could... MET At 10:35 AM 6/2/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >as part of the "Big Brother" initiative, all states are supposed >to comply to a national driving records database (NDR) by Y2K or >they will lose their highway funds. Essentially, that means that >no matter where in the U.S. you are, there will be *one* driving >record for you and whoever stops you can call that up on their >screen and see every infraction you have in every state. The >... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:07:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17604; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13680; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28628 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-203.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.203]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id VAA01942; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602202410.008716c0@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:24:10 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Mike Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: cb600 = cb400f In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A6B@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought she rode a CB-1 (?) MET At 10:30 AM 6/2/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Marcy, isn't that your bike (CB400)?? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:10:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17628; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13707; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28640 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id VAA05937; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:09:00 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma005857; Tue, 2 Jun 98 21:08:33 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA06298; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:02:56 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256618.00050DA7 ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:55:11 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256618.0005CA02.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:09:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Bingo! Enough said ... you seem to be making an informed decision based on your OWN personal desires/needs in a bike. More power to you and I am sure you will be happy with the bike. Let's face it, all the new bikes are wonderful and a lot of the mag comparos are really splitting hairs that alot of us would never notice anyhow. That is one of the main reasons I still love the RF, and will never sell it. It will still run close enough to the race reps and sport tours that it is the rider that makes the difference. But then again, I have always preferred a "do a lot of things well bike" than a function specific one. VFR and GPZ owners will know what I mean. Congrats on the new ride, chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 07:24:58 PM AST Subject: Fwd: TL1000R From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Return-path: To: gixer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:23:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in a race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats not too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It may be heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts in the Goldwing(my dream bike). Sean Petr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:17:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17736; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13793; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com [205.183.232.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28715 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id VAA02138; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:16:56 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma002121; Tue, 2 Jun 98 21:16:52 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA07957; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:11:15 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256618.0005D068 ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:03:30 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256618.0006E43A.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:27 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII John, Your making the ASSUMPTION that they follow blue book value when assessing you car/motorcycle/boat/trailer ... see my other post. I hope I (and my SUV) were the exception to the rule, but I fear that wasn't the case. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 05:48:35 PM AST Subject: RE: Equifax Then why was the bill $600?!?!? John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:30 PM To: Chris Norloff; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! -Tom At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > > >Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:17:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17747; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13806; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28727 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id VAA07364; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:00 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma007341; Tue, 2 Jun 98 21:16:52 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA07790; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:11:15 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256618.0005D03B ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:03:29 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: zellto@XXXXXX Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256618.0006904E.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:14:39 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I'll second that. I had an Isuzu Rodeo for several years and every time the assessment came I swore up and down that if they would give me the cash value of what they assessed it at, I would sell it on the spot. Has anyone found that the assessed value of a car that is less than, say 5 years old, is at all comparable with NADA blue book value? I stand by my original statement ... It's a racket. --chris To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: zellto@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 05:29:54 PM AST Subject: RE: Equifax It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! -Tom At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > > >Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:18:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17768; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13830; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28735 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id KHQCa20473; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:18:14 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <19c0c924.3574a457@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:18:14 EDT To: zellto@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TL1000R Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-02 17:55:07 EDT, zellto@XXXXXX writes: << If the TL-R is what you're thinking about though then you may as well look at a RR, ZX9R, or R1 >> I know I am biased (I own one) but the most suitable for sport touring of the above and the Tls , VTR etc. is the 98-ZX-9R and it is probably the quickest. The R-1 is said to be better on the track but has questionable ergonomics. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 22:50:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18552; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14485; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00187 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA09511 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3574E477.58A1@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:51:51 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Subject: My Summit Racing (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WHOA!! Not just long, but mofo long! JeezoPete Collin. Hehehe, just kidding though bro', it was great reading your story. I wish I was there to help cheer you along, prolly next time (11.07.98) though. If any one has a (relatively shorter) synopsis of the Deal's Gap outing I'd be grateful for a "forward" - sorry I just didn't have it in me to wade through three weeks of digest mode to search for this. Hope our colleague who wadded (Bill?) is doing OK - man, that's about the most serious DC Cycle thang to happen since Jeannette and Tom got engaged ;) Sheeesh... Glad to be back though - and I hope to ride this weekend with some of y'all. The Interceptor is barking at me, take me out!! Maybe we can get organized before Thursday people? Some of us have other lives too ;) John Kozyn (D-Mode always) "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 23:26:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18807; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14669; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00673 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-72.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.72]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA29831; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602232606.006c3814@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:26:06 -0400 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well Sean, I'm not trying to steer you away from the ride that you want... I was just trying to provide you with more things to consider. Anyway, good choice in bike. I hope it serves you well! Tom At 07:24 PM 6/2/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX >Return-path: >To: gixer@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: TL1000R >Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:23:12 EDT >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in a >race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats not >too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It may be >heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does >everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts in >the Goldwing(my dream bike). > >Sean Petr > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 00:08:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19520; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15352; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01176 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA28188 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: <04c601bd8ea5$4928ca80$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Another incident Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:07:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Came pretty close the next day to mimicing the awful Saturday night accident. A traffic "Y" ends a branch of Rock Creek Pkwy at Memorial Bridge, as many know. From the north, traffic takes the (two-way) base, then the right limb in front of the Lincoln memorial to curve around over the bridge to Arlington. The left limb is for opposite traffic from the east headed north on the Pkwy. The travel twains are not meant to meet. Which was my understanding as I approached from the north on Sunday a little after noon. Bright sunshine, orange vest, sparkle parts, just washed face, etc. Who could not notice me? Some silverhaired fellow, that's who, with like lady passenger in a dingy station wagon. Coming from the east, he decided to left (almost a U) turn from the left limb, around the bottom of the V, to the right limb. I was almost in the same place at the same time. Sounds of my tires, horn, black pavement mark. Close. Very close. Fortunately, no material damage, kept going. (He honked back, pitifully.) Crossing-the-bridge assessment: Elderly tourist. Confused. Sunday. Hellbent for Arlington cemetery. Entrance to RCP looked like bridge entrance (it does), then discovered mistake. And I was probably just an emerging helmet when he checked traffic. And there is a slight hump and curve in the base of the Y which may have obscured me from view as I approached the branching. I've been through that intersection so many times that it never occurred to me that a (illegal) turner might be present, so I may have been a bit complacent. (I recall another u-turner caused me much grief when I was still wet behind the ears.) [Just after, thought about confronting this fellow. Again came to the "let it rest" conclusion -- just what if he was 007 undercover on assignment with tear gas in his glasses frame -- or whatever. Not worth even a 1/1mill gamble.] Lessons of the day for me: a) never discount potential hazards. b) Blind spot sensitivity at all times. c) Exp Rider Course optical illusion graphic came back again, as it has done a thousand times, demonstrating how a small object (MC) when viewed among larger objects appears smaller (and slower and less threatening) than expected. d) could be a dangerous spot for others. My heartfelt bests for the Saturday night victim. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD If he didnt see me, it's my fault From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 00:17:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19614; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15470; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01319 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:45 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WOVLa02614 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ordering info Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I was wondering if anyone had any idea if it was too late in the season to order factory direct. Ive made some calls and the only bike anyone has is the GSXR color scheme, I wanna get the "slick-yellow" scheme though. Anyone know how long it might take? Sean Petr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 00:51:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19822; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15649; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01950 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA28689 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:51:22 -0400 Message-ID: <050501bd8eab$4922a140$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:51:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ahhh. In Pogotalk -- "We have met the enemy and it is us." For any who want to put themselves on the line about privacy/information issues, there are ample avenues these days as society realizes the need to police and make socially acceptable the information explosion. Just a little inet searching should zero in quickly -- the credit bureaus have been taken to task in various arenas for years. Generally, try "privacy", "consumer", "Gore", "medical", "FTC", "EPIC", etc. etc. [I was citizen-active in DC Caller ID decisions several years ago -- the downside of this capability being the massive capture and use (crossreferencing with other personal and financial data) of calling numbers by mainstream info exploiters.] Congress, the Administration, and any number of private groups are increasingly active and looking for support. > >Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? >The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially >when no violation of law has been proven. > ...snip... >> >>I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >>you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >>that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >>co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >>tickets issued or police report written. >> >>Equifax sucks > Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD If he didn't see me, it's my fault. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 01:47:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20102; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15895; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02495 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01253; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:43:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:41:59 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: cb600 = cb400f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A6B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > From: Mike Troutman [SMTP:mtroutma@XXXXXX] > > That picture I uploaded..... > > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg > > a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone > > have any > > information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the > > US? The 600 is a new bike not sold in the US.There's also a 250 variant. Check out the Brit mags for info,I've seen a couple reviews of the 250,and I think there was a 600 comparo with the 6.I believe _Bike_ magazine has a section in the back where they give stats on all the bikes they've tested.There might also be a review on that bike site that had the 'Angry Biker' test.Anyone still got the URL? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 03:36:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20908; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16428; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA03849 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA02314; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:32:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:26:57 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Another incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <04c601bd8ea5$4928ca80$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, mobacc wrote: > Which was my understanding as I approached from the north on Sunday a little > after noon. Bright sunshine, orange vest, sparkle parts, just washed face, > etc. Who could not notice me? My helmet is International Safety Orange.Yet I've had people look right at me(actual eye contact) and pull out on me.I first close call I ever had with a cager I had a red bike,red jacket,and red helmet. The driver looked straight at me and pulled into traffic in front of me from a side street. Like they say;pretend you're invisible. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 03:44:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20944; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16472; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA03931 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA02340; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:40:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:36:59 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: lemon law To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256617.00595992.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm not sure if lemon laws apply to motorcycles. It doesn't in MD.I've checked into it for my Buells. Here's a question for any legal types out there,does the lemon law apply for the state where you bought the bike,or where you actually live? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 04:11:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21138; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA16798; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04270 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02448; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:07:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:00:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602161007.006cfae8@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Thomas W. Zell wrote: > That story is nothing more than folk lore. > >As for flashing high-beams at assholes, here is a scary story that I heard > >soon after moving to the DC Area. Don't know if it's just folk tales meant > >to scare children or not, but the rumor goes that there are people in a gang > >that drive around at night with only parking lights on, and if you flash > >your highbeams at them they will follow you to whereever you stop and shoot > >you dead. Consequently I never flash my lights at people anymore...period. Unfortunately,it's true.It was a gang initiation.They also had a thing where they would look for a woman who was pumping her own gas, then follow her home and cap her.We had warnings about them here at the Pentagon. See,you can only prove to your hommie's that you're hard-core if you waste a civilian;offing a member of a rival gang just doesn't cut it. Like the man said,"let's be careful out there". The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 04:23:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21272; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA16903; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04351 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02485; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:19:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:08:38 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Fender Bender club To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602082838.00ff3bf0@norloff.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 01:18 AM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: > >Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting > >that description driving a red Mustang. > Get a tag no. and turn him in. With some of the idiots we've been hearing about here,why don't we start running a 'hall of shame'?Maybe we could add it on to the ride page.We could give a general description of the cage and driver so the rest of us would have a heads up as to who to look out for. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 04:31:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21339; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA16967; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04459 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02517; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:27:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:20:06 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: I'm alive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A6A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > > The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against > > those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with > > disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. Sorry Leon,but I'd have to say their right to drive stops where public safety begins.Would you want someone with limited motor skills operating a vehicle at highway speeds,during rush hour,on the Beltway?While you're on your bike? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 04:38:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21397; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA17015; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04519 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02548; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:35:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:27:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Backpack and Racing Seat... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35743147.1A9D0329@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > What about a tankbag? Is there some combination tankbag/backpack out > there somewhere? Yep,I've seen at least two tankbags with straps to wear them on your back.Another thing Jeanette might want to try is a 'dispatch' bag.It's like those soft briefcases and you wear 'em on a strap at your side. The Aerostich folks make one that received a good review in _MC_,and I saw a couple nice ones up at Battley's during their open house. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 04:49:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21478; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA17264; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04741 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02584; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:45:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:36:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Equifax To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602202603.00abbd70@wingate> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FYI everyone,they also do these checks during morning rush hour on Columbia Pike in Arlington at the Wash Blvd on-ramp/overpass.They have to actually block off a lane to cite people. Interestingly enough,just up the road at the Navy annex,there is a daily lemmings demonstration put on by the people that work there.Yet despite the fact that it's just across the street from the VDOT/state police building,I've never once seen a cop writing tickets for jay walking. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 06:41:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22173; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19602; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05923 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:03:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:29:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Tom, your exactly correct. A few years ago I got a ticket in FL which after a years time never showed up on my VA license. I went to get insurance from State Farm which had the cheapest rate for me. While processing my request for insurance they contacted Equifax which told them about the FL ticket and then they dropped me a few days later. Equifax was even nice enough to tell the state of VA about it. Glenn > The problem is even bigger in scope than the local area. > > I live in MD, got two cage tickets in Arlington (I was maniacally boiling > along at 37 in a 30 zone, 30 mph being the Arlington-think limit for a > superhighway), and although they didn't show up on my MD record, they did > show up in Equifax (yes, the national credit report shitheads decided they > needed other areas in which to be shitheaded, so they'll track driving > records from all over this great land of ours). I found out about Equifax > via the friendly help of Progressive, who increased my rates. > > I'd like to find these people's inner children, and kick their little > asses. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 06:42:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22184; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19666; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05939 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:19:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:22:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Actually you can go into place that serves alcohol "off" premises but you can't go to place that serve it "on" premises. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > You just can't carry at all in some places, right? Places that serve or > sell alcohol, I think. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 07:09:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22341; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21157; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06260 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Fwd: TL1000R Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:11:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I'll give my .02 here since I rode a TL this past weekend and an RR. I realize you don't have the RR on your list of bikes but it sure is a fantastic bike to ride. Anyhow, the TL seemed to have more brute force then the RR and would always lift the front wheel under hard acceleration in 1st and 2nd gears. The RR was smooth as silk. Probably the main reason for this is because its a 4 cylinder vs. a V2. After riding the RR for a while I liked it better then the TL. It really liked to be layed into the turns where the TL seemed to want to stand up more. Also I liked the RR because it kept its front wheel on the ground. If I had to buy on of the 2 bikes I would buy the RR even though I like the looks of the TL better. That's why it really sux that you can't test ride and compare bikes. You figure most people probably just buy the bike they think looks good not realizing it may not ride the way they want it. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Well put, Sean. The TL1000R certainly is an attention getter....would > like to see > it on a ride soon. Are you going with the sick-looking yellow I've seen > in the > motomags or the gixer color scheme (or are there more choices)? > > > CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes > in a > > race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats > not > > too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It > may be > > heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does > > everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature > comforts in > > the Goldwing(my dream bike). > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 07:31:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22460; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21849; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06436 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:30:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:33:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) The reason that cop is there is to catch all the idiot drivers that don't realize the right hand lane ONLY turns right from 6:30 to 9:30 AM. Also the left hand lane is only allowed to turn right at those same hours. I don't know why people just don't read the damn signs. I think there are about six of them starting at Courthouse. I can't tell you how many times I have gone through that intersection and have had people turn right from the left lane at the wrong hours and tried to go straight in the right lane at the wrong hours. I have had some very near misses, one from a tractor trailer! I'm glad that cop sits there! It used to be more exciting when they had the reversible lanes at rush hour especially in the afternoon. If you got in that far left lane there were always idiots turning left onto Courthouse blocking oncoming traffic. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > FYI everyone,they also do these checks during morning rush hour on > Columbia Pike in Arlington at the Wash Blvd on-ramp/overpass.They > have to actually block off a lane to cite people. > Interestingly enough,just up the road at the Navy annex,there is a > daily lemmings demonstration put on by the people that work there.Yet > despite the fact that it's just across the street from the VDOT/state > police building,I've never once seen a cop writing tickets for jay > walking. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 07:50:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22541; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22079; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06640 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A841583012E; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:49:21 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603073913.01005a70@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:39:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <85256618.0006904E.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What happened when you appealed the car's assessed value? I know here in Falls Church City they have a high-mileage allowance (I got 25% off for 177,000 mi. on my Toyota. Unfortunately they don't think a Honda CB750F with 50,000 mi. is high-mileage, but my tax on that bike is only about $12. Chris Norloff ******************************************************************* At 09:14 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >I'll second that. > >I had an Isuzu Rodeo for several years and every time the assessment came I >swore up and down that if they would give me the cash value of what they >assessed it at, I would sell it on the spot. > >Has anyone found that the assessed value of a car that is less than, say 5 >years old, is at all comparable with NADA blue book value? > >I stand by my original statement ... It's a racket. > >--chris > > >To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: zellto@XXXXXX >Date: 06/02/98 05:29:54 PM AST >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > >It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! >-Tom >At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my >head >>>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >> >> >>Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >>8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! >> >>Chris Norloff >> >> >> > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 07:50:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22547; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22070; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06635 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A83F583012E; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:49:22 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603075223.01013100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:52:23 -0400 To: "Dc Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another incident In-Reply-To: <04c601bd8ea5$4928ca80$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:07 AM 6/3/98 -0400, mobacc wrote: >Came pretty close the next day to mimicing the awful Saturday night >accident. ... >I've been through that >intersection so many times that it never occurred to me that a (illegal) >turner might be present, so I may have been a bit complacent. Glad you're okay. Complacency sets in with all of us. >[Just after, thought about confronting this fellow. Again came to the "let >it rest" conclusion -- just what if he was 007 undercover on assignment with >tear gas in his glasses frame -- or whatever. Not worth even a 1/1mill >gamble.] I "confronted" a driver today, and I have often, but I do it politely {well, ALMOST always I have] - I think it helps for them to think of me as a person. This morning a lady in the lane next to me accelerated when the light turned green then pulled over into me. I set off the horns and dodged out of the way, she backed off then continued into my lane. At the next traffic light I asked her if she saw me. She said no, but then saw me later (when the horns were on, I guess!). I asked he to please look, and she seemed receptive. The previous incident was a Brain Dead Cager on a car phone. I got her to swerve back in her lane when I set off the horns. At the next light I said "Please don't use your phone when you're driving, you're not paying attention". She looked very embarassed. I hope the person on the other end of the phone was suitably impressed with her, too. >Lessons of the day for me: a) never discount potential hazards. b) Blind >spot sensitivity at all times. c) Exp Rider Course optical illusion graphic >came back again, as it has done a thousand times, demonstrating how a small >object (MC) when viewed among larger objects appears smaller (and slower and >less threatening) than expected. d) could be a dangerous spot for others. Good advice. A pencil held at arm's length can completely block the view of an oncoming motorcyclist. With all the obstructions around, even in cars, we get lost in the traffic clutter easily. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 07:50:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22546; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22068; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06633 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A83D583012E; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:49:20 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603073508.00ff0440@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:35:08 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park In-Reply-To: <001301bd8e78$65df61c0$79a0bb9d@vrc_reflib.verticalreality> References: <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:47 PM 6/2/98 -0700, Bruce Dimon, A&T Engineering, VECTOR Research : >That said, do the police dare to enforce the limit during rush hour? It >seems pretty dangerous to pull somebody over during the rush. Maybe that's >why they want photo radar. It is indeed. Maryland has a fancy Bronco fitted out with speed laser guns & video, to catch road ragers, particularly tailgaters. They want a good video for prosecution because the last thing they want to do is attempt a safe pull over of a road rager in thick, fast traffic. And given the way Brain Dead Cagers slow to gawk, a single pull-over can result is a mile-long traffic backup. >Bruce Breipfjvrp Dimon, >Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (Core Duh Lane, Eye Duh Hoe) You're the what? (sorry, couldn't resist. Punch line to a joke.) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:03:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22670; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22244; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06812 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB62593012E; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:02:42 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603080403.01007360@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:04:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980602082838.00ff3bf0@norloff.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:08 AM 6/3/98 +45722824, Gil M. Nissley wrote: >On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: >> At 01:18 AM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >> >Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting >> >that description driving a red Mustang. >> Get a tag no. and turn him in. > > With some of the idiots we've been hearing about here,why don't >we start running a 'hall of shame'?Maybe we could add it on to the >ride page.We could give a general description of the cage and driver >so the rest of us would have a heads up as to who to look out for. I think that's a good idea. I'd love to have one good enough that state DMVs and insurance companies would check it for their clients. Here's one in California. It comes across as kind of weak, though. http://www.comnet.ca/~chezken/duds.html Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:03:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22671; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22243; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06809 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB61593012E; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:02:41 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603080138.01015100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:01:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980602161007.006cfae8@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:00 AM 6/3/98 +45722824, Gil M. Nissley wrote: >On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >> That story is nothing more than folk lore. >> >As for flashing high-beams at assholes, here is a scary story that I heard >> >soon after moving to the DC Area. Don't know if it's just folk tales meant >> >to scare children or not, but the rumor goes that there are people in a gang >> >that drive around at night with only parking lights on, and if you flash >> >your highbeams at them they will follow you to whereever you stop and shoot >> >you dead. Consequently I never flash my lights at people anymore...period. > > Unfortunately,it's true.It was a gang initiation.... We had warnings about them here >at the Pentagon. That doesn't mean it's true, it only means that the Pentagon (well known in the civilian law enforcement field, eh?) has sent out a warning. See http://snopes.simplenet.com/horrors/madmen/lightout.htm for more info - this story has already been debunked in California and Ohio. I've never read any newspaper account or heard any news bulletin about something like this actually occuring. It's all been "friend of a friend" or the famous anonymous faxes. Has anybody actually read an account of this happening? Hearing it from a "friend of a friend" doesn't count. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:16:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22760; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22475; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (known helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07233 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net ([128.231.230.165]) by helix.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07852 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35753E8C.A97E293B@radix.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:16:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Equifax References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If citizens would complain more to both the police department and the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes that get away w/o paying when you do. Good idea. Has anyone been keeping up with the Washington Post's Dr. Gridlock ( Thursdays ) section? He just recently got an e mail address. I've found that the good Dr. has really pounded the DMV in Va. for closing early, & other such things. Check it out on the Post's website. Perhaps several calls to the jurisdiction of the Police advising them of the dangerous situation the Police were causing, along with some e mails to Dr. Gridlock asking him to investigate, & perhaps a call to the County Commisioners office(?)... Just my thoughts. Dave Yates long time lurker '90 ZX11/12 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:17:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22767; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22486; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07241 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:17:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Old Nuggets Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:17:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain "A pencil, held at arm's length, can block the view of an oncoming motorcycle" Let's see, if we assume that the average pupil is 4mm, the average distance from the pupil due to grasp in a hand held at average arm's length is 3 ft., that a standard 4mm width Eberhard Faber is used, and that all chickens are spherical..... Okay, folks. Let's start a line on where the grotesquely-over-generalized "pencil at arm's length" statement came from. I'm nominating somebody's old Granny just after Harley-pipe trauma, and that she delivered it with to highly impressionable kids while wagging the upraised finger of (no-knowledge) wisdom. Hee, Hee :-) Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:28:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22837; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22617; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07382 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29167 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [140.162.3.206] (chelseaIX.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.206]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24088 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:27:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:31:11 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Yamaha FJ 1200 circca 1986 -Reply >>>> Mike - 5/26/98 12:02 PM >>> > Does anyone have any experience, or information on this bike. Is it a >good >all arounder, or a good sport touring type bike? Any mechanical problems >that you maqy be aware of? I am considering buying one that has been in >storage but maintained well with low ( aprox. 1000 ) miles on it. > Any info would be helpfull he may let it go for about $ 1000. > >Thanx > >Mike Benedict That would be an excellent price for that bike, if its in good condition! As a current FJ owner, I highly recommend it. Great all around bike, though, isn't as nimble as newer bikes. Performs well as a sport tourer... is sporty and powerful enough to have fun with, is big enough for the highway, but is comfortable enough for long rides. AND, if you'd like to pay more for one... I'm still working (though not very hard) on selling my '89 FJ. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:50:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22956; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22733; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07702 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p38dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.70]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01400; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:49:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3575470B.6AC8EB47@smart.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:52:28 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Subject: My Summit Racing (long) References: <3574E477.58A1@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd be up for a Saturday ride, John, although my knowledge of decent roads is limited. Name a time and a place and I'm there. John C. Kozyn wrote: > Glad to be back though - and I hope to ride this weekend with some of > y'all. The Interceptor is barking at me, take me out!! > > Maybe we can get organized before Thursday people? Some of us have other > lives too ;) -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:57:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23020; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22821; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (known smtp4.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.43]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07897 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA20268 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:48:19 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA30576 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:51:45 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100019010646; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:59:57 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Ralph Scichilone Subject: BMW FOR SALE '75 Message-ID: <5040100019010646000002L062*@MHS> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:59:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hey! a friend of a friend has a '75 BMW R90/6 he's willing to part with. He doesn't have an E-Mail address so he's asked if I would put the word out for him so here goes: '75 BMW R90/6 37K miles Garage kept Needs Battery $2000 O.B.O. Call Bob 703-764-8909 I've never seen the bike so I can't speak to the condition and all the usual disclaimers apply. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 09:29:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23500; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23458; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08573 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) From: SackcoD@XXXXXX Received: from SackcoD@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WAAJa08936 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <474618a3.35754fac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:14 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fender Bender club / Bad Driver List Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 194 I think it's a bad idea for a couple of reason: 1) It smacks of vigilanteism. 2) It is an end run around Due Process. 3) I wouldn't want my insurance company to take the word of someone who just doesn't like bikes. 4) I appreciate the potential in America for each of us as individuals to make mistakes, recognize that we've made mistakes and upon quiet personal reflection determine that we won't make that mistake again. I don't want anyone keeping a record of all of the mistakes I've made. I think that most of us appreciate our right to correct mistakes on our own or with a gentle nudge from a friend now and then. Each of us knows that when we ride we are putting ourselves at increased risk, and each of us accepts that it is a risk we can manage -- and live with. Let's each of us determine to improve our ability to manage that risk with every ride. But let's not start taking names. --Sackco From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 09:49:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23681; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23703; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08960 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA21027 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:41:54 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:46:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:49:21 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: gixer@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Collin, If you check out the reviews on Motorcycle Online (www.motorcycle.com) they'll sometimes include a "real" person in their testing. Speakin o' you chasing R1s, was Brian Bemisturfer(sp?) there? He was untouchable on that thing Apr 11 weekend. I vote nekkid on the TL question. The R looks just like the 750. Joe 86 ninja 900 >>> "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" - 6/2/98 6:31 PM >>> I'd have to disagree with that a little bit Tom. From the factory, the TL-R is a bit on the heavy side. They designed the frame for world superbike competition without the need for heavy mosification/stiffening like the other brands. It's torque curve is downright flat (very high, but flat) so you don't get that kick in the but feel of the TL-S, but it should pull hard from any rev range. >From the one I saw at cycle sport, it looks liveable on comfort compared to the S model, but the XX and ZX are probably both better for the longer sporty trips. Don't know what Tom G. is talking about hiding that awesome motor...the TL's motor is pretty boring looking...granted the S model's frame is a little neater looking though. As for intro year problems, it's not a true entry year model...the S was the entry year model for the most part. They've got most of the engine/FI bugs worked out, they've made some changes to the rear suspension setup to make it a pretty awsome unit (rotary damper and all), and they through it in more or less a heavy GSXR frame...also very proven. I really don't expect that many bugs out of the R model this year...but we'll see... If you do end up with the R model, give us a report...I'd love to hear all about how they feel from a "real" person rather than a moto-journalist. Speaking of that, remember when motorcyclist and cycle world used to use test riders ranging from expert racers down to fairly novice riders so you could get a good impression of the bike??? I really miss that... I always thought it more valuable to see what a moderate level rider like me thought of the various bikes rather then what joe expert thought of it as a track only bike. Speaking of RR killers, my stock race bike had no trouble eating the RR's up except at the very top, but that's cause I couldn't pull top speed due to my steering problems....the R1 didn't pull away too very hard either... Thomas W. Zell wrote: > TL-R is a "pure race bike" as Suzuki puts it. > -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 09:56:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23726; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23792; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09077 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10410; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:56:00 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D052@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , gixer@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: TL1000R -Reply Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:55:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Brian and and Tim (Bemisderfer) were both there this weekend putting on an awesome show as usual. They're both experts thank goodness so I don't have to race against them...for now :) For track day, Brian loaned his R1 to Dave ?? the race director to run as a control rider...never got to ride with him...did chase another R1. He definitely had the torque to pull harder out of the corners, but not so much horsepower that he was running away... Cool bikes though > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 9:52 AM > To: gixer@XXXXXX; zellto@XXXXXX > Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; tgimer@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: TL1000R -Reply > > Collin, > > Speakin o' you chasing R1s, was Brian Bemisturfer(sp?) there? He was > untouchable on that thing Apr 11 weekend. > > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:05:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23881; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24052; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09414 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhEAY-0006r2-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:34 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:03:52 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AB6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: TL1000R -Reply Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain This would be a great idea!! Sometimes I wonder who they're addressing their articles to, not me, that's for sure... I haven't even scraped a peg yet!! ; ) Last night, however, I did blow by 2 military guys on my bike, they looked really miffed 'cause they couldn't catch me on their bikes (cat & mouse through traffic, no FLAMES please...) When they pulled up next to me finally I said, "Hey..." The look of shock on their faces was priceless! - Jeannette > Speaking of that, remember when motorcyclist and cycle world used to > use > test riders ranging from expert racers down to fairly novice riders so > you could get a good impression of the bike??? I really miss that... > I > always thought it more valuable to see what a moderate level rider > like > me thought of the various bikes rather then what joe expert thought of > it as a track only bike. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:06:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23885; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24065; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09422 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Wed Jun 3 08:46 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA12474 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:05:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8ED7.25C62F60@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Big Brother *some* MC content Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see quite a bit of anger, annoyance, etc. on the list concerning the "government". I often see, myself included, many people blaming the government for this or that. Be it Helmet laws or speed laws. The point is that WE are the government. It is unfortunate that WE do not seem to have the time to fight those that are *supposed* to represent us. I maintain that as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or whatever, no one disagrees that the leaders of our government continually waste our tax dollars. I believe that there is more than enough $$$ to take care of everything AND reduce the amount of $$$ we pay in. If I am subject to down sizing in the name of cost efficiency, then why not government workers? The current state of the USA is, IMO, not in the spirit of the Constitution. <> John Carver '98 Interceptor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:17:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23986; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24509; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09659 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhELP-0007n1-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:47 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:15:05 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715ABC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Big Brother *some* MC content Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You're right. Anyone else up for a coup de' tat? ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:06 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Big Brother *some* MC content > > I see quite a bit of anger, annoyance, etc. on the list concerning the > > "government". I often see, myself included, many people blaming the > government for this or that. Be it Helmet laws or speed laws. The > point is that WE are the government. It is unfortunate that WE do not > > seem to have the time to fight those that are *supposed* to represent > us. I maintain that as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or > whatever, no one disagrees that the leaders of our government > continually waste our tax dollars. I believe that there is more than > enough $$$ to take care of everything AND reduce the amount of $$$ we > pay in. If I am subject to down sizing in the name of cost > efficiency, then why not government workers? The current state of the > > USA is, IMO, not in the spirit of the Constitution. <> > > John Carver > '98 Interceptor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:20:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24020; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24561; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09703 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA25321 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA22891 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:19:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980603141920.GVBJ11142@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:19:20 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bd8efa$98934b40$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal I can give a chilling fact. I took the VA Driver's improvement course a few weeks ago in a feeble attempt to mitigate an upcoming ticket. The woman next to me finally admitted at the end of the day that she couldn't take the final test because she couldn't read english. She's out there driving. Watch out. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., asked: I don't know why people just don't read the damn signs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:31:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24207; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24824; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10082 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:30:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Linda Tanner'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:33:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Very true Linda, I seem to recall that DMV gives the drivers test in Spanish. For the ex-DMV'er, is this true? If it is that is a scary thought. Sure you can remember the normal sigh but how about those programmable signs? Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I can give a chilling fact. I took the VA Driver's improvement course a > few > weeks ago in a feeble attempt to mitigate an upcoming ticket. The woman > next to me finally admitted at the end of the day that she couldn't take > the > final test because she couldn't read english. She's out there driving. > > Watch out. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze > > -----Original Message----- > Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., asked: > > > I don't > know why people just don't read the damn signs. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:35:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24230; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24992; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10150 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Big Brother *NO* MC content Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain (Government worker, perhaps surprisingly in agreement with the idea that Gov't workers should be subject to downsizing -- I'd like to boot a few myself) Actually, government workers have been subject to downsizing, the biggest cut coming from Defense, and the total number somewhere in the 300,000 range since Bill took office. The problem is that there does not seem to have been much money reduction, perhaps in part because alot of the downsizing was of gov't jobs, not gov't outlays. For example, I used to be part of an office that performed engineering, programming, etc. in house. My current job is managing a contract to do pretty much the same thing with the same number of people, but they're just not gov't people. Uncle Sam seems to be going the same way AT&T is, only it is not being handled quite as abruptly -- once a very secure job, lately not so (my Dad worked for AT&T until the breakup of the Bell System in the early 80s, then got shoved out on early retirement in the first wave of early 80s downsizing). Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:06 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Big Brother *some* MC content > > I see quite a bit of anger, annoyance, etc. on the list concerning the > "government". I often see, myself included, many people blaming the > government for this or that. Be it Helmet laws or speed laws. The > point is that WE are the government. It is unfortunate that WE do not > seem to have the time to fight those that are *supposed* to represent > us. I maintain that as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or > whatever, no one disagrees that the leaders of our government > continually waste our tax dollars. I believe that there is more than > enough $$$ to take care of everything AND reduce the amount of $$$ we > pay in. If I am subject to down sizing in the name of cost > efficiency, then why not government workers? The current state of the > USA is, IMO, not in the spirit of the Constitution. <> > > John Carver > '98 Interceptor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:35:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24236; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25025; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10160 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA05726; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA22926; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980603143507.KLNG20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:35:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: conceal laws: RE: Fender Bender club X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980603143507.KLNG20960@[166.41.242.141]> DC-Cycles is back on the ole conceal and carry thread. Yippee! I was in the post office the other day and noted the sign prohibiting firearms on the premesis. Had to chuckle given the propensity of postal workers going berserker with firearms. :) Todd Collin Fagen wrote: >I'm not sure about here, but every state I've dealt with also prohibits >carry of any sort in federal buildings. This includes the ole post office. >Some states specifically mention banks, but many banks just have signs >stating no carrying of guns which falls in with what Mike J mentioned below. >Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:43:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24336; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25380; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known [205.183.237.69] [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10426 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA12525; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:42:36 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma012209; Wed, 3 Jun 98 10:42:12 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA18419; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:36:26 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256618.004F6C0C ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:27:30 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256618.00454CEE.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:40:46 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Uh, unfortunately it is kinda like fighting a parking ticket in DC. :-( The invoice states that if you disagree with the assessment, you still have to pay the fee in full, file a grievance, they will review it and rebate any overcharged amount. Well, I did that and several months later, they denied my claim citing that it was in line with other assessments of vehicles in that price range. (indicating to me that others were over assessed also) Anyhow, at that point, I was moving to Alexandria, had financially recovered from the tax hit, and decided not to pursue it any more ... --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: 06/03/98 07:39:13 AM AST Subject: RE: Equifax What happened when you appealed the car's assessed value? I know here in Falls Church City they have a high-mileage allowance (I got 25% off for 177,000 mi. on my Toyota. Unfortunately they don't think a Honda CB750F with 50,000 mi. is high-mileage, but my tax on that bike is only about $12. Chris Norloff ******************************************************************* At 09:14 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >I'll second that. > >I had an Isuzu Rodeo for several years and every time the assessment came I >swore up and down that if they would give me the cash value of what they >assessed it at, I would sell it on the spot. > >Has anyone found that the assessed value of a car that is less than, say 5 >years old, is at all comparable with NADA blue book value? > >I stand by my original statement ... It's a racket. > >--chris > > >To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: zellto@XXXXXX >Date: 06/02/98 05:29:54 PM AST >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > >It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! >-Tom >At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my >head >>>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >> >> >>Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >>8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! >> >>Chris Norloff >> >> >> > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:43:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24341; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25407; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10457 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08609 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:45:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11515 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806031443.KAA11515@shell.clark.net> Subject: RE: Equifax/driver test To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > I can give a chilling fact. I took the VA Driver's improvement course a few > weeks ago in a feeble attempt to mitigate an upcoming ticket. The woman > next to me finally admitted at the end of the day that she couldn't take the > final test because she couldn't read english. She's out there driving. Hmmm, makes me wonder. I just had 6 deaf students pass the MSF:RSS course. The problem was that some of them didn't understand the questions on the written test. For a lot of deaf people, English is not their primary language, ASL (American Sign Language) is. So a few of them had trouble understanding what the question was asking. However when I signed the questions, they understood, and did very well. I wonder how the DMV will handle that situation when they go for their licence. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:47:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24399; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25576; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10575 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12844; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:48:04 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D057@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'JOE NAGY'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: TL1000R -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:48:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, He is an awesome rider. On his Buell, he was having handling problems between 7 and 8 which were slowing him down. His solution??? He simply lifted the frotn wheel up in the air did the transition in a wheelie, then set the bike down on the line through 8!! amazing. During cleanup and inspection of my bike yesterday, I noticed that I have some nice new shiny scrapes along my exhaust canister!! I didn't recall getting down that low in any right handers...but i guess I did.. Hopefully someday I'll be able to keep up with (and maybe even pass) guys like Brian and his brother Tim.....time will tell. Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:32 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG > Subject: RE: TL1000R -Reply -Reply > > It wasn't so much his acceleration as his braking--he was going so fast > and so late into 5, SLAMMING it onto his left knee, it was making my > butt pucker! > Joe > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:55:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24613; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25764; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10747 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-231.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.231]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15249; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603105430.006e8d64@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:54:30 -0400 To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Big Brother *some* MC content In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let's revolt!!!!!! (See previous post from Sunday night!!) -Tom At 10:05 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Carver, John wrote: >I see quite a bit of anger, annoyance, etc. on the list concerning the >"government". I often see, myself included, many people blaming the >government for this or that. Be it Helmet laws or speed laws. The >point is that WE are the government. It is unfortunate that WE do not >seem to have the time to fight those that are *supposed* to represent >us. I maintain that as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or >whatever, no one disagrees that the leaders of our government >continually waste our tax dollars. I believe that there is more than >enough $$$ to take care of everything AND reduce the amount of $$$ we >pay in. If I am subject to down sizing in the name of cost >efficiency, then why not government workers? The current state of the >USA is, IMO, not in the spirit of the Constitution. <> > >John Carver >'98 Interceptor > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:55:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24652; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25786; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10781 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA29295 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:56:04 -0400 Message-ID: <357563D8.140A95F7@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:55:20 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Old Nuggets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In today's "Biker Trauma" Granny hides her EX250 behind an Eberhard Faber. Parents are cautioned that this episode contains mathematical equations and graphic physical descriptions. My bike measures 32 inchs at the handlebars which are effectively the widest part of the bike. 32 inches is 25.4*32 or 812mm. 812mm is 203 pencils wide. Therefore for a pencil to completely block my bike from view, the bike would have to be 203 times farther away or 609 feet or 203 yards or two football fields. I can't find a use for the spherical chickens. I did assume that the image passed through a point (the lens of the eye) on it's way to the pupil, and that the focal distance from the lens to the pupil was not significant. Leon. Mersch, Tom wrote: > > "A pencil, held at arm's length, can block the view of an oncoming > motorcycle" > > Let's see, if we assume that the average pupil is 4mm, the average distance > from the pupil due to grasp in a hand held at average arm's length is 3 ft., > that a standard 4mm width Eberhard Faber is used, and that all chickens are > spherical..... > > Okay, folks. Let's start a line on where the grotesquely-over-generalized > "pencil at arm's length" statement came from. I'm nominating somebody's old > Granny just after Harley-pipe trauma, and that she delivered it with to > highly impressionable kids while wagging the upraised finger of > (no-knowledge) wisdom. > > Hee, Hee :-) > > Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:57:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24684; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25815; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10793 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-231.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.231]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09907; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603105651.006e9c18@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:56:51 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Big Brother *some* MC content In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715ABC@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am!!! -Tom "They tried to ban the M16? Well I got 10 of 'em stashed with a case of hand grenades..." Ice T At 10:16 AM 6/3/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >You're right. Anyone else up for a coup de' tat? >; ) > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:06 AM >> To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: Big Brother *some* MC content >> >> I see quite a bit of anger, annoyance, etc. on the list concerning the >> >> "government". I often see, myself included, many people blaming the >> government for this or that. Be it Helmet laws or speed laws. The >> point is that WE are the government. It is unfortunate that WE do not >> >> seem to have the time to fight those that are *supposed* to represent >> us. I maintain that as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or >> whatever, no one disagrees that the leaders of our government >> continually waste our tax dollars. I believe that there is more than >> enough $$$ to take care of everything AND reduce the amount of $$$ we >> pay in. If I am subject to down sizing in the name of cost >> efficiency, then why not government workers? The current state of the >> >> USA is, IMO, not in the spirit of the Constitution. <> >> >> John Carver >> '98 Interceptor > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 11:05:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24894; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26081; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11082 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA25988; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA17735; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980603150509.KREQ20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas W. Zell" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: County Stickers Was: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980603150509.KREQ20960@[166.41.242.141]> Just this side of a serious revolt, we will forever pay the tax man. If you owned a car that was worth enough to the tax man to extort $600 out of you, you must have had your priorities mixed up. I've never owned a cage that cost me more than $170 a year in taxes, most likely because I don't value a cage as much as I do motorcycles. My old man refuses to pay as well for some of the reasons you wrote, but mostly out of principal. I mean he's able to dump thousands into his fishing boat - his priorities. By not paying his taxes, and for everyone else who doesn't, the cumulative effect is felt by those who do pay. We could go on and on about this, and just so you know I'm playing devils advocate since I believe taxing of any sort is theft. I feel like I'm being robbed everytime the tax man sticks his hand out. I just don't believe the cops are to keen on spending time writing tickets for such bullshit. Now, about that revolt >:> Tom Zell wrote: >HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > >At 12:27 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >> >> Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that >> they may not be very interested in your time management needs >> when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did >> not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and >> was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got >> to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run >> from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of >> them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). >> >> If citizens would complain more to both the police department and >> the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this >> kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes >> that get away w/o paying when you do. >> >> In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this >> sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would >> rather be doing something else. >> >> Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 11:08:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24931; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26113; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11158 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-231.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.231]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22117 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603110756.006ed7ac@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:07:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Anti-gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Folks... just so you know... I'm not anti-government and I do infact love my country. I am against some of the things that they do, however. In the case that I may have offended anyone with my shouts of "revolt" and that kinda stuff... please accept my apologies. I'm here having a good time!!! Thought I'd send this out before I got any hate mail or before anyone decided to report me to the CIA or something! ; ) -Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 11:14:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25040; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26232; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11287 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-231.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.231]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22754; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603111115.006f0af4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:11:15 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: County Stickers Was: Equifax Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980603150509.KREQ20960@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, I had the car for a while and THEN shit hit the fan. I had no problem paying for it when things were "good".... however, once things started going downhill I couldn't really stop paying for it because it helped put food on the table. -Tom At 11:00 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >Just this side of a serious revolt, we will forever pay the tax man. > >If you owned a car that was worth enough to the tax man to extort $600 >out of you, you must have had your priorities mixed up. I've never >owned a cage that cost me more than $170 a year in taxes, most likely >because I don't value a cage as much as I do motorcycles. > >My old man refuses to pay as well for some of the reasons you wrote, >but mostly out of principal. I mean he's able to dump thousands into >his fishing boat - his priorities. By not paying his taxes, and for >everyone else who doesn't, the cumulative effect is felt by those who >do pay. > >We could go on and on about this, and just so you know I'm playing >devils advocate since I believe taxing of any sort is theft. I feel >like I'm being robbed everytime the tax man sticks his hand out. > >I just don't believe the cops are to keen on spending time writing >tickets for such bullshit. > >Now, about that revolt >:> > > >Tom Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >> >>At 12:27 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >>> >>> Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that >>> they may not be very interested in your time management needs >>> when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did >>> not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and >>> was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got >>> to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run >>> from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of >>> them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). >>> >>> If citizens would complain more to both the police department and >>> the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this >>> kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes >>> that get away w/o paying when you do. >>> >>> In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this >>> sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would >>> rather be doing something else. >>> >>> Todd > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 11:17:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25067; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26289; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known vulture.wheatintl.com [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11406 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 359; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:16:46 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980603111555.00cb83b0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:16:46 -0400 To: "Christopher Meier", cnorloff@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: Equifax Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten out of a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? I got my last one delayed, but Im sure Ill be paying in the end. Every one of us got a ticket for parking on the street (not a single no parking sign) because it is a 'rush hour zone'. I suppose we all should have known that?!?! I hate the DC government. Have you all noticed that every sign has 'xxxxx, mayor' on it? When Sharon Pratt Kelly took over, she replaced every sign with her name. Then when she married, she replaced them all again. Now that mayor for life crack-daddy Barry is back in, he changed them all back to his name. Im curious how much that alone has cost DC..... At 08:40 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: > > > > >Uh, unfortunately it is kinda like fighting a parking ticket in DC. :-( > >The invoice states that if you disagree with the assessment, you still have >to pay the fee in full, file a grievance, they will review it and rebate >any overcharged amount. Well, I did that and several months later, they >denied my claim citing that it was in line with other assessments of >vehicles in that price range. (indicating to me that others were over >assessed also) Anyhow, at that point, I was moving to Alexandria, had >financially recovered from the tax hit, and decided not to pursue it any >more ... > >--chris > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: cnorloff@XXXXXX >Date: 06/03/98 07:39:13 AM AST >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > >What happened when you appealed the car's assessed value? >I know here in Falls Church City they have a high-mileage allowance (I got >25% off for 177,000 mi. on my Toyota. Unfortunately they don't think a >Honda CB750F with 50,000 mi. is high-mileage, but my tax on that bike is >only about $12. >Chris Norloff >******************************************************************* >At 09:14 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >>I'll second that. >> >>I had an Isuzu Rodeo for several years and every time the assessment came >I >>swore up and down that if they would give me the cash value of what they >>assessed it at, I would sell it on the spot. >> >>Has anyone found that the assessed value of a car that is less than, say 5 >>years old, is at all comparable with NADA blue book value? >> >>I stand by my original statement ... It's a racket. >> >>--chris >> >> >>To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >>From: zellto@XXXXXX >>Date: 06/02/98 05:29:54 PM AST >>Subject: RE: Equifax >> >> >> >> >>It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! >>-Tom >>At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>>At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>>>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>>>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my >>head >>>>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>>>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? >I'm >>>>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>>>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >>> >>> >>>Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >>>8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! >>> >>>Chris Norloff >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Mike Troutman South Park / Simpsons / Quake Addict (h)703.830.7733 (p)703.660.3098 http://www.troutman.org "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no life guard. " ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 11:54:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25618; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27705; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12561 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA31136 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:54:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3575719E.E0EC6B11@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:54:06 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Deal's Gap Pictures References: <000401bd8daa$6006b150$c1a0bb9d@vrc_cad.verticalreality> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] gave us: > > Point netscape (or fetch or ftp) to : > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/ It works. I've got two large jpgs from the Deal's Gap trip up on the server. DealsGap.jpg are 4 pictures from the CrossRoads gas station and the overlook at the north end of the road. The couple on the road aren't part of DC Cycles, but that's Todd waving. HorksterLouisTom.jpg are pictures from the trip back. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 12:07:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25835; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28246; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13080 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 294; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:07:50 -0400 Message-ID: <357574C3.C5F830BC@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 12:07:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Troutman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Equifax References: <3.0.32.19980603111555.00cb83b0@www.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Troutman wrote: > > As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten out of > a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? Yep. A couple of years ago. DC wrote an erroneous ticket that had the plate number of a rental car that I was renting during the time. It took a while to sort it out, even though they were clearly wrong. I figure if I gloat too much, they'll slap me with some other bs ticket, somehow. So, shhhh, don't tell anyone! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:38:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27226; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04624; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15793 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9C72740294; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:37:11 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603133820.0102c9c0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:38:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980603111555.00cb83b0@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:16 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten out of >a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? I got my last one delayed, >but Im sure Ill be paying in the end. I've had one in limbo since January. Parking longer than 1 hr. in a 12 hr. zone. (!!) >I hate the DC government. Have you all noticed that every sign has 'xxxxx, >mayor' on it? When Sharon Pratt Kelly took over, she replaced every sign >with her name. Then when she married, she replaced them all again. Now >that mayor for life crack-daddy Barry is back in, he changed them all back >to his name. Im curious how much that alone has cost DC..... Barry be leaving. Someone finally talked him into not running again. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:38:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27227; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04622; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15790 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9C62740294; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:37:10 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603133151.00fd4e40@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:31:51 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Old Nuggets In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good point. I thought I'd checked it out before, but running through the numbers now, I get a blockage 2.2 ft. wide at 176 ft. away (with my 3/8 in. pencil). I'm about 2 ft. wide at my shoulders, my bike is a little wider. 176 ft. is 2 seconds at 60 mph - so I would be just about blocked from view, 2 seconds from impact, at 60 mph. A narrow bike and rider would be harder to see, and wide bike (or rider!) would be easier to see. Perhaps the Old Nugget should be changed to reflect the actual size of windshield pillars, something that is much more likely in our environment. Except for that time a pencil truck turned over and no one could see around all those pencils. thanks, Chris Norloff **************************************************************************** At 08:17 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: > >"A pencil, held at arm's length, can block the view of an oncoming >motorcycle" > >Let's see, if we assume that the average pupil is 4mm, the average distance >from the pupil due to grasp in a hand held at average arm's length is 3 ft., >that a standard 4mm width Eberhard Faber is used, and that all chickens are >spherical..... > >Okay, folks. Let's start a line on where the grotesquely-over-generalized >"pencil at arm's length" statement came from. I'm nominating somebody's old >Granny just after Harley-pipe trauma, and that she delivered it with to >highly impressionable kids while wagging the upraised finger of >(no-knowledge) wisdom. > >Hee, Hee :-) > >Tom > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:46:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27387; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05235; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16204 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPYTa26052 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <667224f1.35758bc9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:45:44 EDT Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Mail Adjudication/DC Parking Tickets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I have!! Much to my surprise! I paid the fine but wrote a long letter of explanation and actually received a check back in the mail! Once. Marcy In a message dated 6/3/98 11:24:21 AM, mike@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:48:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27398; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05301; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16245 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhHeB-0001ir-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:48:23 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:46:27 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AE7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Old Nuggets Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:47:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Uh oh. I'm glad I got a bigger bike!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Old Nuggets > > Good point. I thought I'd checked it out before, but running through > the > numbers now, I get a blockage 2.2 ft. wide at 176 ft. away (with my > 3/8 in. > pencil). I'm about 2 ft. wide at my shoulders, my bike is a little > wider. > 176 ft. is 2 seconds at 60 mph - so I would be just about blocked from > view, 2 seconds from impact, at 60 mph. > > A narrow bike and rider would be harder to see, and wide bike (or > rider!) > would be easier to see. > > Perhaps the Old Nugget should be changed to reflect the actual size of > windshield pillars, something that is much more likely in our > environment. > Except for that time a pencil truck turned over and no one could see > around > all those pencils. > > thanks, > Chris Norloff > > > > ********************************************************************** > ****** > At 08:17 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > >"A pencil, held at arm's length, can block the view of an oncoming > >motorcycle" > > > >Let's see, if we assume that the average pupil is 4mm, the average > distance > >from the pupil due to grasp in a hand held at average arm's length is > 3 ft., > >that a standard 4mm width Eberhard Faber is used, and that all > chickens are > >spherical..... > > > >Okay, folks. Let's start a line on where the > grotesquely-over-generalized > >"pencil at arm's length" statement came from. I'm nominating > somebody's old > >Granny just after Harley-pipe trauma, and that she delivered it with > to > >highly impressionable kids while wagging the upraised finger of > >(no-knowledge) wisdom. > > > >Hee, Hee :-) > > > >Tom > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:52:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27450; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05455; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16378 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr26-dialup33.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0ETZ00N2HLMPXG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:52:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 01:51:25 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <008501bd8e92$1ee90900$614937a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 -----Original Message----- From: Dawn & Jon To: Thomas W. Zell Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:50 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R >Might as well throw my 2yen worth out. IMO, if your going to spend 10K on >a new bike, how about the Ducati 748? That yellow one is the sweetest >looking bike out there. > >Jon Schumer > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas W. Zell >To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 3:38 AM >Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R > > >>Well Sean, I'm not trying to steer you away from the ride that you want... >>I was just trying to provide you with more things to consider. Anyway, >>good choice in bike. I hope it serves you well! >> >>Tom >> >>At 07:24 PM 6/2/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >>>From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX >>>Return-path: >>>To: gixer@XXXXXX >>>Subject: Re: TL1000R >>>Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:23:12 EDT >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>> >>>Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in >a >>>race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats >not >>>too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It >>may be >>>heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does >>>everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts >in >>>the Goldwing(my dream bike). >>> >>>Sean Petr >>> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:52:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27454; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05451; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16373 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:31 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 1UDUa08946; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <945d3ff3.35758d37@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:51:49 EDT To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Old Nuggets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I think the point is that if you value your hide you must always assume that 1) NO ONE can EVER see you and 2) that you NEVER have the right of way no matter what. We can moan and groan and cuss at the multitudes of people who really SHOULD NOT have a license to drive but when you're on your bike going 60 (125!!!) MPH the only control you have over a potentially fatal situation is how you ride. Marcy In a message dated 6/3/98 1:43:32 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:55:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27497; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05532; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16447 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr26-dialup33.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0ETZ00GKRLQX1B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:54:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 01:53:58 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Another incident To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <00a201bd8e92$79f4d5e0$614937a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 That's why I try and stay away from DC and immediate suburbs. Far, far, away......... Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: mobacc To: Dc Cycles Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 4:25 AM Subject: Another incident >Came pretty close the next day to mimicing the awful Saturday night >accident. > >A traffic "Y" ends a branch of Rock Creek Pkwy at Memorial Bridge, as many >know. From the north, traffic takes the (two-way) base, then the right limb >in front of the Lincoln memorial to curve around over the bridge to >Arlington. The left limb is for opposite traffic from the east headed north >on the Pkwy. The travel twains are not meant to meet. > >Which was my understanding as I approached from the north on Sunday a little >after noon. Bright sunshine, orange vest, sparkle parts, just washed face, >etc. Who could not notice me? > >Some silverhaired fellow, that's who, with like lady passenger in a dingy >station wagon. Coming from the east, he decided to left (almost a U) turn >from the left limb, around the bottom of the V, to the right limb. I was >almost in the same place at the same time. Sounds of my tires, horn, black >pavement mark. Close. Very close. Fortunately, no material damage, kept >going. (He honked back, pitifully.) > >Crossing-the-bridge assessment: Elderly tourist. Confused. Sunday. >Hellbent for Arlington cemetery. Entrance to RCP looked like bridge >entrance (it does), then discovered mistake. And I was probably just an >emerging helmet when he checked traffic. > >And there is a slight hump and curve in the base of the Y which may have >obscured me from view as I approached the branching. I've been through that >intersection so many times that it never occurred to me that a (illegal) >turner might be present, so I may have been a bit complacent. > >(I recall another u-turner caused me much grief when I was still wet behind >the ears.) > >[Just after, thought about confronting this fellow. Again came to the "let >it rest" conclusion -- just what if he was 007 undercover on assignment with >tear gas in his glasses frame -- or whatever. Not worth even a 1/1mill >gamble.] > >Lessons of the day for me: a) never discount potential hazards. b) Blind >spot sensitivity at all times. c) Exp Rider Course optical illusion graphic >came back again, as it has done a thousand times, demonstrating how a small >object (MC) when viewed among larger objects appears smaller (and slower and >less threatening) than expected. d) could be a dangerous spot for others. > >My heartfelt bests for the Saturday night victim. > >Bill Swanson / DC >96 EN500 LTD >If he didnt see me, it's my fault > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 14:04:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27672; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05816; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16753 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:04:00 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWEIa08565 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <73f12c76.35758ff0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:03:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: DC TRicket Writing Policy Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 quoted from the front page of today's Washington Post: The parking ticket writers who roam the streets of Washington have been= =0Aexpected to write 90 tickets a day each, an average of one ticket ever= y four=0Aminutes. That fact=97long denied by the people who oversee the city's parking=0Aen= forcement=97came to light yesterday when DC Chief Management Officer Cami= lle=0AC. Barnett met with parking bureau officials and challenged them to= come up=0Awith a fairer system....... ..."Your job is the fair regulation of parking," Barnett told parking=0Ao= fficials. "It ids not giving tickets." Barnett....allowed a Washinton Post reporter to sit in on the hour-long,= =0Aclosed door meeting.=0A From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 14:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28101; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06307; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17628 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA15822; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma015816; Wed, 3 Jun 98 14:32:24 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:33:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:33:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I fought the law, and _I_ won! DC sent me a past due parking ticket notice for a plate number that I had taken off the road 2 weeks earlier. I'd had the plate on my old Mazda pickup. The ticket was issues to a brown Lincoln. I sent them copies of every piece of paperwork I had regarding trading the old pickup in, since it was obvious that someone had written the plate number incorrectly, and the ticket wound up on my record. They ignored me. I called my city councilor's office (Frank Smith, Ward 1) and got someone there to help me. It took about a year before I finally got a notice telling me the ticket had been dismissed. As for the sign thing, every city I've lived in does the same thing. And most states are littered with signs that say "Joe Smith, Governor." John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 11:17 AM To: Christopher Meier; cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten out of a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? I got my last one delayed, but Im sure Ill be paying in the end. Every one of us got a ticket for parking on the street (not a single no parking sign) because it is a 'rush hour zone'. I suppose we all should have known that?!?! I hate the DC government. Have you all noticed that every sign has 'xxxxx, mayor' on it? When Sharon Pratt Kelly took over, she replaced every sign with her name. Then when she married, she replaced them all again. Now that mayor for life crack-daddy Barry is back in, he changed them all back to his name. Im curious how much that alone has cost DC..... At 08:40 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: > > > > >Uh, unfortunately it is kinda like fighting a parking ticket in DC. :-( > >The invoice states that if you disagree with the assessment, you still have >to pay the fee in full, file a grievance, they will review it and rebate >any overcharged amount. Well, I did that and several months later, they >denied my claim citing that it was in line with other assessments of >vehicles in that price range. (indicating to me that others were over >assessed also) Anyhow, at that point, I was moving to Alexandria, had >financially recovered from the tax hit, and decided not to pursue it any >more ... > >--chris > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: cnorloff@XXXXXX >Date: 06/03/98 07:39:13 AM AST >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > >What happened when you appealed the car's assessed value? >I know here in Falls Church City they have a high-mileage allowance (I got >25% off for 177,000 mi. on my Toyota. Unfortunately they don't think a >Honda CB750F with 50,000 mi. is high-mileage, but my tax on that bike is >only about $12. >Chris Norloff >******************************************************************* >At 09:14 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >>I'll second that. >> >>I had an Isuzu Rodeo for several years and every time the assessment came >I >>swore up and down that if they would give me the cash value of what they >>assessed it at, I would sell it on the spot. >> >>Has anyone found that the assessed value of a car that is less than, say 5 >>years old, is at all comparable with NADA blue book value? >> >>I stand by my original statement ... It's a racket. >> >>--chris >> >> >>To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >>From: zellto@XXXXXX >>Date: 06/02/98 05:29:54 PM AST >>Subject: RE: Equifax >> >> >> >> >>It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! >>-Tom >>At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>>At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>>>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>>>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my >>head >>>>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>>>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? >I'm >>>>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>>>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >>> >>> >>>Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >>>8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! >>> >>>Chris Norloff >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Mike Troutman South Park / Simpsons / Quake Addict (h)703.830.7733 (p)703.660.3098 http://www.troutman.org "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no life guard. " ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 14:52:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28352; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06861; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18184 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA16779; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA01550; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980603185021.IKTQ11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Michael Troutman" CC: "Christopher Meier", cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980603185021.IKTQ11142@[166.41.242.141]> >As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten out of >a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? I have, but it was a Twilight Zone situation. Winter and just one other bike in the bikes only parking area. His at the end of the line, me about 6 bike spaces down. Painted white strips faded to gone. Come out to my bike to find two parking tickets for the same offense. Ticket state I didn't pay the meter, but the meter has about 2-hours left. I paid it. Bike is parked close to edge of designated space. Meter moron determined I was therefore not parked in the space paid for of 10 spaces and not but one other bike in the area!!!!! I sent pictures and drawings and a much more elaborate accounting of the situation to DC adjudication, with copies of the tickets. Within a month I received a ruling in my favor for one of the tickets. A week later I was found guilty for the other one ???? I just paid the damned thing! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 15:30:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28759; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07748; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19024 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhJEP-0001f6-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:29:53 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:27:53 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AEE@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Michael Troutman Cc: Christopher Meier , cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:29:06 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I did the same thing. I was ticketed for a meter I wasn't even PARKED AT!! I had paid for the meter next to it since I was parked in that space. I paid the ticket anyway, it wasn't worth the hassle, really, but maybe that's how they make their $$ and if each ticket writer's quota is 90 tickets per day, I guess she/he got desperate!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 2:39 PM > To: Michael Troutman > Cc: Christopher Meier; cnorloff@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Equifax > > > >As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten > out of > >a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? > > > I have, but it was a Twilight Zone situation. Winter and just one > other bike in the bikes only parking area. His at the end of the > line, > me about 6 bike spaces down. Painted white strips faded to gone. > Come out to my bike to find two parking tickets for the same offense. > Ticket state I didn't pay the meter, but the meter has about 2-hours > left. I paid it. Bike is parked close to edge of designated space. > Meter moron determined I was therefore not parked in the space paid > for of 10 spaces and not but one other bike in the area!!!!! > > I sent pictures and drawings and a much more elaborate accounting of > the situation to DC adjudication, with copies of the tickets. Within > a month I received a ruling in my favor for one of the tickets. A > week later I was found guilty for the other one ???? I just paid the > damned thing! > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 16:05:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29407; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08411; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20288 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA03015 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:15:24 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501D9FB@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Saturday Ride Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:07:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm up for a ride this weekend. Sunday would be a little better for me, but I could do a Saturday ride if that's all that's happening. Rich Westbrook > ---------- > From: Thomas H. Gimer > Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 1998 12:52 PM > To: John C. Kozyn > Cc: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Subject: My Summit Racing (long) > > I'd be up for a Saturday ride, John, although my knowledge of decent roads > is limited. Name a time and a place and I'm there. > > John C. Kozyn wrote: > > > Glad to be back though - and I hope to ride this weekend with some of > > y'all. The Interceptor is barking at me, take me out!! > > > > Maybe we can get organized before Thursday people? Some of us have other > > lives too ;) > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 16:36:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29931; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09431; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21611 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806032035.QAA21611@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXP6L; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:40:41 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:35:54 -0400 To: "Westbrook, Richard" , "'DC-Cycles'" From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Saturday Ride In-Reply-To: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501D9FB@GROVER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:07 PM 6/3/98 -0400, Westbrook, Richard wrote: >I'm up for a ride this weekend. Sunday would be a little better for me, but >I could do a Saturday ride if that's all that's happening. > >Rich Westbrook Don't know if a poker run counts, but the Herndon Police Poker Run is on Saturday. Rumor has it that this is one of the better ones (from a food perspective at least!)... I'm going to give it a try (it'll be my first). I guess it's a poker run weekend... the Virago Owner's Club has a poker run on Sunday. Starting in Woodbridge, going to Colonial Beach and back. Who knows, I might do that one also! Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 17:08:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00850; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10406; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22600 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17293 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:08:24 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:08:24 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:09:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT >I'm up for a ride this weekend. Sunday would be a little better for me, but Rich - I'm heading for Toronto (Canada) on Sunday... ('course, I won't be coming back for a week) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 18:48:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02235; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12931; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25031 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA22438; Wed, 3 Jun 98 18:47:20 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 v2.11); 3 Jun 98 15:48:06 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 v2.10); 3 Jun 98 15:47:33 -0800 Received: from DPS486.ARD_BAYVIEW (157.187.160.185) by BAYVIEW (Mercury/32 v2.11); 3 Jun 98 15:47:20 -0800 From: "Bruce Dimon, A&T Engineering, VECTOR Research" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Old Nuggets Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:46:41 -0700 Message-Id: <000201bd8f41$7b1a2880$b9a0bb9d@DPS486.ARD_BAYVIEW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980603133151.00fd4e40@norloff.com> Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > A narrow bike and rider would be harder to see, and wide bike (or rider!) > would be easier to see. After I traded up to my GL1500 Honda Accord, Uh, I mean Gold Wing, I noticed fewer people pulled out in front of me. Seriously! The only explaination is the bike's width. It's huge from the front. Almost looks like a small car. Bruce Breipfjvrp Dimon, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (Core Duh Lane, Eye Duh Hoe) Wing for Go! Not for Show. dimon@XXXXXX Work E-Mail Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Home E-Mail North Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 18:48:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02239; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12965; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25036 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-82.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.82]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id SAA25856; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603184232.00ab5b80@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:42:32 -0400 To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Old Nuggets In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AE7@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And don't forget about that blind spot in the retina where the nerves converge. I wonder what the angle of that patch is? MET At 01:47 PM 6/3/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Uh oh. I'm glad I got a bigger bike!! > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:32 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Old Nuggets >> >> Good point. I thought I'd checked it out before, but running through >> the >> numbers now, I get a blockage 2.2 ft. wide at 176 ft. away (with my >> 3/8 in. >> pencil). I'm about 2 ft. wide at my shoulders, my bike is a little >> wider. >> 176 ft. is 2 seconds at 60 mph - so I would be just about blocked from >> view, 2 seconds from impact, at 60 mph. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 19:45:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03077; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14486; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26538 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-120-89.s89.tnt14.brd.erols.com [207.172.120.89]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01955; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806032345.TAA01955@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Westbrook, Richard" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:42:49 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My buddy Kevin (VFR 750) and I may be interested in a Saurday ride. Let me know the details. ---------- > From: Westbrook, Richard > To: 'DC-Cycles' > Subject: Saturday Ride > Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 4:07 PM > > I'm up for a ride this weekend. Sunday would be a little better for me, but > I could do a Saturday ride if that's all that's happening. > > Rich Westbrook > > > > ---------- > > From: Thomas H. Gimer > > Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 1998 12:52 PM > > To: John C. Kozyn > > Cc: dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Subject: My Summit Racing (long) > > > > I'd be up for a Saturday ride, John, although my knowledge of decent roads > > is limited. Name a time and a place and I'm there. > > > > John C. Kozyn wrote: > > > > > Glad to be back though - and I hope to ride this weekend with some of > > > y'all. The Interceptor is barking at me, take me out!! > > > > > > Maybe we can get organized before Thursday people? Some of us have other > > > lives too ;) > > > > -- > > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 19:46:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03086; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14515; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26549 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr26-dialup52.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EU000IBK1ZK2K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:44:42 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002a01bd8ec3$7a1056e0$744937a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Geez Kevin, what did the little Duc. ever do to you? ;-) I wasn't suggesting he get a 748 for sport touring. I figured he wants something sporty and since he was seriously considering the TL-R, why not the 748? I personally think the 748 is a lot more comfortable than a VFR, but that's my preference. I'm short(5'6") and like bikes that have high pegs and low bars. Yeah, it's down on power compared to the TL-R(can be remedied), but how many 748's do you see? Having something a little unique is nice too Jon Schumer. -----Original Message----- From: klthomas@XXXXXX To: Dawn & Jon Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R >Jon-- > >'cause it's short on torque, comfort and reliability? Is it really only >$10k? Don't get me wrong, if I ever buy anything besides a VFR, the ST2 >tops my list, but I don't expect that'll ever happen... > >later >Kevin > >ps-- oh, wait, I 'spect the 748 _is_ phat (whatever that is), so maybe >that's more important to this buyer. > >At 01:51 AM 6/3/98 +0000, you wrote: >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dawn & Jon >>To: Thomas W. Zell >>Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:50 AM >>Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R >> >> >>>Might as well throw my 2yen worth out. IMO, if your going to spend 10K on >>>a new bike, how about the Ducati 748? That yellow one is the sweetest >>>looking bike out there. >>> >>>Jon Schumer >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Thomas W. Zell >>>To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>> >>>Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 3:38 AM >>>Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R >>> >>> >>>>Well Sean, I'm not trying to steer you away from the ride that you want... >>>>I was just trying to provide you with more things to consider. Anyway, >>>>good choice in bike. I hope it serves you well! >>>> >>>>Tom >>>> >>>>At 07:24 PM 6/2/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >>>>>From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX >>>>>Return-path: >>>>>To: gixer@XXXXXX >>>>>Subject: Re: TL1000R >>>>>Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:23:12 EDT >>>>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>>>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>>>> >>>>>Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in >>>a >>>>>race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats >>>not >>>>>too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It >>>>may be >>>>>heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does >>>>>everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts >>>in >>>>>the Goldwing(my dream bike). >>>>> >>>>>Sean Petr >>>>> >>> >> >> >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 20:10:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03295; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA15642; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26837 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA15422; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:09:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806040009.TAA15422@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from 1cust42.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net(153.35.88.42) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015387; Wed Jun 3 19:09:35 1998 From: "Bill Schmidt" To: "Chris Norloff" , , "Bruce Dimon, A&T Engineering, VECTOR Research" Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:09:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Old Nuggets Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000201bd8f41$7b1a2880$b9a0bb9d@DPS486.ARD_BAYVIEW> References: <3.0.1.32.19980603133151.00fd4e40@norloff.com> I've noticed the same thing Bruce. You can almost see the consciousness returning to the cager's eyes as they try and compute what it is their senses are registering. "What's happening? Oh, there's something there." (And if I switch on the headlight modulator they adopt the "Maybe if I just look small the officer won't bother me" mode.) I don't normally ride with the modulator on all the time -- for lots of the reasons discussed on other lists -- but I used it more or less continuously for a while on a trip to TN a couple of weeks ago. It was interesting to see the cages in the left lane snap out of their day dreams, tap the brakes to disengage their cruise control, and slip into the right lane with the "eyes straight ahead" posture. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > A narrow bike and rider would be harder to see, and wide bike (or rider!) > > would be easier to see. > > After I traded up to my GL1500 Honda Accord, Uh, I mean Gold Wing, I noticed > fewer people pulled out in front of me. Seriously! The only explaination is > the bike's width. It's huge from the front. Almost looks like a small car. Bill Schmidt billsch@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 20:43:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03570; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16888; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27257 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-12.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.53]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA22260 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: <061701bd8f51$d34cf180$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:43:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ooops. Sorry I cant hear you, I've got a helmet in my ear. Was my face red. Happy it wasn't too visible. Me going north on 23rd Street 4:30p-ish. Just threading my way through rush traffic about the Virginia Ave. overpass, I'm in middle lane. Cage in front of me stops, for no apparent reason, at green light where westbound access crosses 23rd on the north side of the overpass, such access road/traffic very obscured by high concrete walls. My lightning-like thoughts -- Hmmm, lotsa city noise around, busy time, left turners, veerers, siren, hurriers, etc. WHY doesn't this cage move? BD? Press horn. No movement. Press horn again. Obnoxious. Cages all around, I think they are also thinking what a dolt this stopped one is. About ready to around on right when out pops from the obscured access road an ambulance, siren screaming. I revert to sheep. (Tried for 2 blocks to convey "sorry". Never acknowledged. Then he follows me at a *very* respectful distance. BDM, I'm sure he's thinking.) Siren. Siren. Darned if there hadn't been a siren, the sound to which I, as a city dweller on a major ambulance route, have become immune. Sleep through them constantly. Have people on the phone remark how I must live in the middle of town. Have callouses on my siren receptor neurons. And the helmet denied obvious direction. I'm sure I subconsciously checked front and back as normal scanning in that turbulent traffic. But nothing clued me in to the siren coming from the side, hidden. What to do? Maybe nothing, given the rarity of this hidden siren event. I ponder again about earplugs (for me, hiway use only) and their downsides. Still -- it's an itch to be scratched, this helmet-in-my-ear phenomenon. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD If he didn't see me, it's my fault. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 20:50:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03631; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17113; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27339 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr26-dialup52.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EU000PD34ZF3Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:50:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:49:25 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: TL1000R To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000c01bd8ecc$846499e0$744937a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Sweet!! Congratulations Sean, I hope to see it soon. You'll have to tell us how it rides. Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 12:12 AM Subject: Re: TL1000R >Well, So much for waiting a week. Today I went and signed over my first born >on a new TL-R. I dont pick it up till saturday because no one had the Yellow >and black one in stock. So after things smooth out at my new location(work) I >might be able to take some weekends off and cruise(quite briskly) once again. >Talk to you all later. > >Sean Petr >'98 TL1000R (finally!!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 21:10:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03773; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18110; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27639 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA27415 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35761E83.5327@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:11:47 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: conceal laws: RE: Fender Bender club Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:29 -0400 (EDT) > From: Todd Peer > DC-Cycles is back on the ole conceal and carry thread. Yippee! > I was in the post office the other day and noted the sign prohibiting > firearms on the premesis. Had to chuckle given the propensity of postal > workers going berserker with firearms. :) Hey Todd et al.. Actually a new phrase has entered the lexicon: "...Going Postal" ! What a hoot. -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 22:56:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04595; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18954; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28977 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.132]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 282 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3575C60A.B04687ED@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 22:54:19 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re:Fender Benders & Old Nuggets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just Could'nt Resist....Hope noone gets offended.... :~) Extreme Bumper Stickers ======================== Who lit the fuse on your tampon? God is my co-pilot, but the Devil is my bombardier. I don't have a license to kill. I have a learner's permit. I wasn't born a bitch. Men like you made me this way. Keep honking while I reload. Taxation WITH representation isn't so hot, either! Who were the beta testers for Preparations A through G? Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. 5 days a week my body is a temple. The other two, it's an amusement park. EARTH FIRST! We'll stripmine the other planets later. Your child may be an honor student but you're still an idiot. If you can read this, I might hit my brakes and sue you. Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes. Whitewater is over when the First Lady sings. Jack Kevorkian for White House physician. Just say no! to sex with pro-lifers. My wife keeps complaining I never listen to her ...or something like that. Sure you can trust the government! Just ask an Indian! If we are what we eat; I'm cheap, fast, and easy. Stop repeat offenders. Don't re-elect them! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 23:34:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04885; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19178; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29399 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA03480; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:30:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:29:00 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re:Fender Benders & Old Nuggets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3575C60A.B04687ED@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, jencraig wrote: > Extreme Bumper Stickers > ======================== > I wasn't born a bitch. Men like you made me this way. I like the one,"49% bitch,51% sweetheart.Don't push it." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 23:36:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04904; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19239; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29446 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s13.wizard.net [206.161.15.43]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02495 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:35:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980603233312.00970d60@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:33:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: County Stickers Was: Equifax In-Reply-To: <19980603150509.KREQ20960@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Folks, government is just a tool. Its my opinion that I pay taxes to get services: roads, law enforcement (though i think it should be peace enforcement - laws are just an means to an end), schools, other government functions, etc, etc. I can't think of a country I want to live in that doesn't have a well developed government (who wants to move to Nigeria or Indonesia?). I _can_ think of some countries that I don't want to live in (France) that have over-developed governments, but those are less common. I think anyone and everyone should question what their tax dollars are spent on and whether in the spending of those dollars a good value is received. I don't think terming taxes "theft" is either accurate or appropriate. So much that government does right is taken for granted these days that we forget that it is even there, and just focus on what it doesn't do right. That being said, I have many criticisms of just about any government agency you can name. But I also suspect many of the failings that any agency has is due to the quality of the elected officials and the direction and oversight that they give. As an example, look at D.C. The citizens there have gotten exactly what they voted for (which may differ from what they think they voted for, but thats another issue). Anyway, I live in Arlington, and when I pay my 6% meals tax, and 4.5% sales tax, and whatever real estate tax is included in my rent, and 550 bux for PPT on my 96 Chrysler this fall (plus about $2 bux on my CX ;o), I keep in mind that this is a damn nice place to live because those taxes are paid by me and everyone else living here, and because the moneies that are collected are also well spent. And as soon as the government here doesn't do its job right, I'm going to vote with my vote. And if that doesn't work, I'll vote with my feet. Just my 2 cents. No offense to anyone intended. Tom 1980 CX500D At 11:00 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >Just this side of a serious revolt, we will forever pay the tax man. > >If you owned a car that was worth enough to the tax man to extort $600 >out of you, you must have had your priorities mixed up. I've never >owned a cage that cost me more than $170 a year in taxes, most likely >because I don't value a cage as much as I do motorcycles. > >My old man refuses to pay as well for some of the reasons you wrote, >but mostly out of principal. I mean he's able to dump thousands into >his fishing boat - his priorities. By not paying his taxes, and for >everyone else who doesn't, the cumulative effect is felt by those who >do pay. > >We could go on and on about this, and just so you know I'm playing >devils advocate since I believe taxing of any sort is theft. I feel >like I'm being robbed everytime the tax man sticks his hand out. > >I just don't believe the cops are to keen on spending time writing >tickets for such bullshit. > >Now, about that revolt >:> > > >Tom Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >> >>At 12:27 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >>> >>> Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that >>> they may not be very interested in your time management needs >>> when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did >>> not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and >>> was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got >>> to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run >>> from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of >>> them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). >>> >>> If citizens would complain more to both the police department and >>> the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this >>> kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes >>> that get away w/o paying when you do. >>> >>> In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this >>> sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would >>> rather be doing something else. >>> >>> Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 23:45:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04945; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19336; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29601 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:02 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s13.wizard.net [206.161.15.43]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02911; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:44:58 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980603234212.00964530@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:42:12 -0400 To: "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear In-Reply-To: <061701bd8f51$d34cf180$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ah, tunnel vision. So far, while I'm on my bike, I've had to work very hard to keep in mind that its easy to get, and hard to fight. I even get it in the cage sometimes, with 11 years experience, when I'm in a hurry or when I've got other things on my mind. I also keep in mind what they said at my MSF course "You will go where you look"..... Tom 1980 CX500D At 08:43 PM 6/3/98 -0400, mobacc wrote: >Ooops. Sorry I cant hear you, I've got a helmet in my ear. > >Was my face red. Happy it wasn't too visible. > >Me going north on 23rd Street 4:30p-ish. Just threading my way through rush >traffic about the Virginia Ave. overpass, I'm in middle lane. Cage in front >of me stops, for no apparent reason, at green light where westbound access >crosses 23rd on the north side of the overpass, such access road/traffic >very obscured by high concrete walls. > >My lightning-like thoughts -- Hmmm, lotsa city noise around, busy time, left >turners, veerers, siren, hurriers, etc. WHY doesn't this cage move? BD? >Press horn. > >No movement. Press horn again. Obnoxious. Cages all around, I think they >are also thinking what a dolt this stopped one is. About ready to around on >right when out pops from the obscured access road an ambulance, siren >screaming. I revert to sheep. (Tried for 2 blocks to convey "sorry". >Never acknowledged. Then he follows me at a *very* respectful distance. >BDM, I'm sure he's thinking.) > >Siren. Siren. Darned if there hadn't been a siren, the sound to which I, >as a city dweller on a major ambulance route, have become immune. Sleep >through them constantly. Have people on the phone remark how I must live in >the middle of town. Have callouses on my siren receptor neurons. > >And the helmet denied obvious direction. I'm sure I subconsciously checked >front and back as normal scanning in that turbulent traffic. But nothing >clued me in to the siren coming from the side, hidden. > >What to do? Maybe nothing, given the rarity of this hidden siren event. I >ponder again about earplugs (for me, hiway use only) and their downsides. >Still -- it's an itch to be scratched, this helmet-in-my-ear phenomenon. > >Bill Swanson / DC >96 EN500 LTD >If he didn't see me, it's my fault. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 23:56:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05018; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19473; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29730 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA03625; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:52:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:33:31 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Equifax To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > The reason that cop is there is to catch all the idiot drivers that don't > realize the right hand lane ONLY turns right from 6:30 to 9:30 AM. Actually,they pull people over under the overpass;people going up the ramp to Wash Blvd/395 are missed.Still,this sorta-cloverleaf has got to be in the top 10 worst intersections in this area.I walk through there on a daily basis,and you'd be amazed at some of the stuff I've seen.Anyone traveling through it be warned. > It used to be more exciting when they had the reversible lanes at rush hour > especially in the afternoon. If you got in that far left lane there were > always idiots turning left onto Courthouse blocking oncoming traffic. What was worse were the idiots who would try to be slick and beat the reverse at the light.They'd pull into a lane that was oncoming on the opposite side of the intersection,then when the light would change they'd floor it and change into the proper lane in the middle of the intersection. And of course I love the people who cut across all lanes of traffic (w/out a signal,natch) to take one of the offramps,when if they'd just traveled another 50 yrds they could've legally used the proper one. The official Buellboy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 01:25:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06097; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21740; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00735 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA04701; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:23:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Leon Begeman cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I'm alive---but not for long. In-Reply-To: <35740723.51710460@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against > those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with > disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. Yup, but not driving motor vehicles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 01:36:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06141; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21817; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00967 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA05087; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:34:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:34:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980603133820.0102c9c0@norloff.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 11:16 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: > > >I hate the DC government. Have you all noticed that every sign has 'xxxxx, > >mayor' on it? When Sharon Pratt Kelly took over, she replaced every sign > >with her name. Then when she married, she replaced them all again. Now > >that mayor for life crack-daddy Barry is back in, he changed them all back > >to his name. Im curious how much that alone has cost DC..... > > Barry be leaving. Someone finally talked him into not running again. Great. New signs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 01:40:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06154; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21914; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01258 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA05489; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:38:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:38:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Gil M. Nissley" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Gil M. Nissley wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Thomas W. Zell wrote: > > That story is nothing more than folk lore. > > >As for flashing high-beams at assholes, here is a scary story that I heard > > >soon after moving to the DC Area. Don't know if it's just folk tales meant > > >to scare children or not, but the rumor goes that there are people in a gang > > >that drive around at night with only parking lights on, and if you flash > > >your highbeams at them they will follow you to whereever you stop and shoot > > >you dead. Consequently I never flash my lights at people anymore...period. > > Unfortunately,it's true.It was a gang initiation.They also had a > thing where they would look for a woman who was pumping her own gas, > then follow her home and cap her.We had warnings about them here at > the Pentagon. Pardon my scepticism, but the pentagon is not high on my list of reliable sources. Any known cases? --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 02:37:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA06686; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22334; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01989 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA05280; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:34:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:30:20 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Garcia Oliver wrote: > Pardon my scepticism, but the pentagon is not high on my list of reliable > sources. Any known cases? After checking out Chris' web site,I have to wonder.I did read about the gas pumping thing in the paper,but that could've just been a regular carjacking. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 07:24:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08693; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24511; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04803 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA20669 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:24:20 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:24:20 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Old Nuggets Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:25:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >It's huge from the front. Almost looks like a small car. You're right - I looked! It's only a little wider than the average small car Michael (only half in jest) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 08:44:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09832; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25066; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05800 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8F94.B444EE30@XXXXXX>; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:42:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Bye for now Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:42:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT We are migrating over to a new mail system today, tomorrow and thru the weekend so I want to unsubscribe so that the existing mail server doesn't get too much mail. See you next week. Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 09:11:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10209; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25231; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06328 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8F98.805D6FD0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:09:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Almost Moto related - going GS camping Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:09:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT I'm going to camp with my Brownie girl scouts at Camp May Flather near Harrisonburg, VA. We're taking 66 to 81 getting off at Exit 240 (Mt. Crawford, Bridgewater). Now I know it's only been a few weeks since I came up that way, but can anyone tell me if there's a McDonalds/Wendys/Burger King around that exit. My girls will be hungry about then and we wanted some fast food. Please e-mail me directly at my home e-mail horstman@XXXXXX Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 09:39:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10808; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25593; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07452 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A34249401E6; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:38:10 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980604092921.0101cba0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:29:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Blind Spot, was RE: Old Nuggets In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980603184232.00ab5b80@wingate> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AE7@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:42 PM 6/3/98 -0400, Mark E. Truelove wrote: >And don't forget about that blind spot in the retina where the nerves >converge. I wonder what the angle of that patch is? According to the Engineering Data Compendium: Human Perception and Performance, it's an area covering about 14-18 deg. to the side. It didn't say exactly how big the blind spot is, but I got this off a graph. The blind spot is where the optic nerve from the brain connects to the eye's retina. So your left eye has a blind spot about 14-18 deg. to the left, and your right eye has a blind spot about 14-18 deg. to the right. This blind spot is compensated for by having two eyes, and is not part of foveal (detail) sight, when you move your eyes to focus on something to see. (The fovea has the concentration of cones, the parts that see color and detail. Cone density is greatest in the central 2 deg. or so of vision, and falls rapidly to its minimum about 10 deg. from center.) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 09:39:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10809; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25597; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07456 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A34049401E6; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:38:11 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980604094200.0101c2f0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:42:00 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Old Nuggets In-Reply-To: <199806040009.TAA15422@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> References: <000201bd8f41$7b1a2880$b9a0bb9d@DPS486.ARD_BAYVIEW> <3.0.1.32.19980603133151.00fd4e40@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:09 PM 6/3/98 -0500, Bill Schmidt wrote: >I don't normally ride with the modulator on all the time -- for lots >of the reasons discussed on other lists -- but I used it >more or less continuously for a while on a trip to TN a couple of >weeks ago. It was interesting to see the cages in the left >lane snap out of their day dreams, tap the brakes to disengage their >cruise control, and slip into the right lane with the "eyes straight >ahead" posture. Great! I've noticed that too, both with a headlight modulator (great for clearing the left lane sometimes) and with additional lights on the front. Wig-wag flashers can also do a Moses effect on the traffic in front of you, but are probably illegal. Beau Pacheco (Rider magazine (?)) did something like that and wrote about it some years ago. He dressed as an ordinary biker, then dressed like a police officer (jack boots, blue stripe on trousers, blue shirt, blue shorty helmet). He got more respect, and even had one guy blow a red light, pull and over yell his apologies. Thinking about protective coloration :-) I've been wondering about the possible advantages of a pro-gun or "gun nut" bumper sticker on the back of my bike. Something along the lines of "Insured by Smith & Wesson" but that would have quick identification to cagers, and mean "small vehicle, big sting". Your thoughts? Chris Norloff P.S. Please don't respond either pro or anti-guns, that's not the point. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 10:16:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11161; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25988; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08178 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABF811E8012E; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:15:20 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980604101653.01000e30@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:16:53 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear In-Reply-To: <061701bd8f51$d34cf180$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >And the helmet denied obvious direction. I'm sure I subconsciously checked >front and back as normal scanning in that turbulent traffic. But nothing >clued me in to the siren coming from the side, hidden. Even with ear plugs, I still hear sirens before most car drivers. Still, though, I don't wear ear plugs for in-town trips - partly to give me just a little more edge in city traffic. I find that by rotating my head I can help localize where the siren is coming from, but in a city of walls, there's so much reflection that direction to the source can be confused. Was the car driver relying on hearing or seeing? >What to do? Maybe nothing, given the rarity of this hidden siren event. I >ponder again about earplugs (for me, hiway use only) and their downsides. >Still -- it's an itch to be scratched, this helmet-in-my-ear phenomenon. I think what you did was just about right. You didn't just fly out after the first horn press, you waited and wondered, and observed traffic around you. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 10:21:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11247; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26032; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08243 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA501 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:13:45 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:18:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:21:20 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Old Nuggets -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline You left out the bike in that Rider article--A big honkin white Electra Glide. It's hard not to lift/roll off when you see one. As far as a "don't F with me" bike, I vote for an olive drab Neval/Dnepr with a dummy .50 cal machine gun mounted to the sidecar. 'Course you wouldn't have to worry about the passing lane since it tops out at 50mph. Joe '86 Ninja 900 >>> Chris Norloff - 6/4/98 9:42 AM >>> At 08:09 PM 6/3/98 -0500, Bill Schmidt wrote: >I don't normally ride with the modulator on all the time -- for lots >of the reasons discussed on other lists -- but I used it >more or less continuously for a while on a trip to TN a couple of >weeks ago. It was interesting to see the cages in the left >lane snap out of their day dreams, tap the brakes to disengage their >cruise control, and slip into the right lane with the "eyes straight >ahead" posture. Great! I've noticed that too, both with a headlight modulator (great for clearing the left lane sometimes) and with additional lights on the front. Wig-wag flashers can also do a Moses effect on the traffic in front of you, but are probably illegal. Beau Pacheco (Rider magazine (?)) did something like that and wrote about it some years ago. He dressed as an ordinary biker, then dressed like a police officer (jack boots, blue stripe on trousers, blue shirt, blue shorty helmet). He got more respect, and even had one guy blow a red light, pull and over yell his apologies. Thinking about protective coloration :-) I've been wondering about the possible advantages of a pro-gun or "gun nut" bumper sticker on the back of my bike. Something along the lines of "Insured by Smith & Wesson" but that would have quick identification to cagers, and mean "small vehicle, big sting". Your thoughts? Chris Norloff P.S. Please don't respond either pro or anti-guns, that's not the point. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 10:33:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11426; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26193; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08455 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 237; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3576B01F.2FCE7B5F@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:33:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Old Nuggets References: <000201bd8f41$7b1a2880$b9a0bb9d@DPS486.ARD_BAYVIEW> <3.0.1.32.19980603133151.00fd4e40@XXXXXX> <3.0.1.32.19980604094200.0101c2f0@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Thinking about protective coloration :-) I've been wondering about the > possible advantages of a pro-gun or "gun nut" bumper sticker on the back of > my bike. Something along the lines of "Insured by Smith & Wesson" but that > would have quick identification to cagers, and mean "small vehicle, big > sting". > Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw, it had an black outline of a revolver, and the message: Forget about the dog, Beware of Owner :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 10:33:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11430; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26198; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08462 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA26880 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:32:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA10974 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:32:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980604143207.JCIG7401@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:32:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: County Stickers Was: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980604143207.JCIG7401@[166.41.242.141]> Tom thetrick wrote: >Folks, government is just a tool. Its my opinion that I pay taxes to get >services: roads, law enforcement (though i think it should be peace >enforcement - laws are just an means to an end), schools, other government >functions, etc, etc. Agree with you to an extent. There are a lot of 'Services' govt. bureaucrats will never give up control to private sectors that would undoubtadly do a better job. And then I'd have a choice whether to seek their 'Services' or not, paying only when I use them. > I can't think of a country I want to live in that >doesn't have a well developed government (who wants to move to Nigeria or >Indonesia?). I _can_ think of some countries that I don't want to live in >(France) that have over-developed governments, but those are less common. Presumably we are speaking of the USA. Comparisons to other countries are irrelevent. >I think anyone and everyone should question what their tax dollars are >spent on and whether in the spending of those dollars a good value is >received. Good. Question. Absolutely. But they still get your money. > I don't think terming taxes "theft" is either accurate or >appropriate. So much that government does right is taken for granted these >days that we forget that it is even there, and just focus on what it >doesn't do right. That being said, I have many criticisms of just about >any government agency you can name. But I also suspect many of the >failings that any agency has is due to the quality of the elected officials >and the direction and oversight that they give. You're probably right about how leadership, or lack thereof brings a great dis-'Service' to the agencies they oversee. However, there are so many government agencies that it would be impossible to oversee all of them with the proper attention necessary to make them work right. And that begs a question as to the validity of some of these agencies. I won't offer examples since it's a waste of time and space in this forum. Come private if interested. As for taxation as 'theft' goes, your wrong. Ask any poor schmuck serving time or paying outrageous penalties because he refused to pay the tax-man. Govt. levies a tax, you don't pay, you go to jail. Theif points a gun, you don't pay, you go to hell. > >As an example, look at D.C. The citizens there have gotten exactly what >they voted for (which may differ from what they think they voted for, but >thats another issue). > >Anyway, I live in Arlington, and when I pay my 6% meals tax, and 4.5% sales >tax, and whatever real estate tax is included in my rent, and 550 bux for >PPT on my 96 Chrysler this fall (plus about $2 bux on my CX ;o), I keep in >mind that this is a damn nice place to live because those taxes are paid by >me and everyone else living here, and because the moneies that are >collected are also well spent. And as soon as the government here doesn't >do its job right, I'm going to vote with my vote. And if that doesn't >work, I'll vote with my feet. > Sure, it's a damn nice place to live, but give yourself a little credit for that. There's no way you're going to get me to believe that because you pay some percentage of your wage to your local government that it's your government that makes your township so nice. It's the people, isn't it? The 'Services' provided (save for the more politically charged ones) could be better served by private industry, your tax payment would be less, and you'd probably be living in a damned nicer place. >Just my 2 cents. No offense to anyone intended. > >Tom > >1980 CX500D None taken. Just can't stand by and have people tell me I need government. No offense. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 10:46:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11685; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26461; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08814 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA09611; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:46:47 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma009463; Thu, 4 Jun 98 10:46:36 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA00150; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:40:45 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256619.004FEED7 ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:04 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256619.0050B258.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:47:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, but the issue here is not the ability to hear, but rather your desensitization to certain sounds. As an Ex-US Air Force dependent, who lived on B-52 bases for 20 years, I can tell you that I do NOT hear jet air planes. Even when I used to live Arlington in National's filght pattern, friends would always comment on the noise and I would have to focus my thinking on it to hear it. I, too used to live in DC and do remember a few cases where I failed to hear sirens. Not because I have poor hearing, but simply because they are so frequent an occurrance that it gets filtered out as background noise, I guess. Later, chris (huh?, Whaddid you say?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: 06/04/98 10:16:53 AM AST Subject: Re: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear >And the helmet denied obvious direction. I'm sure I subconsciously checked >front and back as normal scanning in that turbulent traffic. But nothing >clued me in to the siren coming from the side, hidden. Even with ear plugs, I still hear sirens before most car drivers. Still, though, I don't wear ear plugs for in-town trips - partly to give me just a little more edge in city traffic. I find that by rotating my head I can help localize where the siren is coming from, but in a city of walls, there's so much reflection that direction to the source can be confused. Was the car driver relying on hearing or seeing? >What to do? Maybe nothing, given the rarity of this hidden siren event. I >ponder again about earplugs (for me, hiway use only) and their downsides. >Still -- it's an itch to be scratched, this helmet-in-my-ear phenomenon. I think what you did was just about right. You didn't just fly out after the first horn press, you waited and wondered, and observed traffic around you. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 11:16:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12416; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26906; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09814 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:16:07 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA17822 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:15:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199806041515.AA17822@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:15:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:15:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:15:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:14:02 -0400 Subject: Re:Fender Benders & Old Nuggets To: gnissley@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..or.. "If I wanted you on my ass I would have dropped my pants" > On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, jencraig wrote: > > Extreme Bumper Stickers > > ======================== > > I wasn't born a bitch. Men like you made me this way. > > I like the one,"49% bitch,51% sweetheart.Don't push it." > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 11:51:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13042; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28940; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10740 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:51:13 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZAAa04556 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5720c9d3.3576c24d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:50:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 One thing I noticed, maybe I misread your first post, but didnt you say that the other drivers around were wondering why this guy had stopped? That would indicate that they didnt hear anything either! Could even be that the stopper had a police scanner or something and knew before the siren got there that it was coming. Jack 97 TL1000 "Liz" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 14:45:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16041; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04346; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16388 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 314 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3576EB37.B0E84CFD@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:45:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Top ten reasons why Squids *do* wave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shamelessly stolen from rec.motorcycles... :-) (In response to Motorcycle Online's lists re: Harleys and Gold Wings...) 10. Sudden acceleration broke left hand loose...trying to make it look intentional 9. Showing off metal studs on glove palms 8. Needs help picking up crashed bike 7. Needs someone to buy beer 6. Needs help transporting beer 5. Needs directions to nearest kegger 4. Actually signalling a turn; simulated carbon fiber blinkers don't actually work 3. To salute adoring fans after screaming through their neighborhood at 80 2. Left hand needs something to do during spectacular one-handed wheelies 1. High school girls are almost certain to wave back -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 15:47:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16840; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06300; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.232.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18344 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA27559 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:46:52 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma027511; Thu, 4 Jun 98 15:46:49 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA21726; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:40:59 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256619.006B6DEA ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:33:24 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256619.006C8C90.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:47:31 -0400 Subject: MSF ERC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I am taking the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Experienced Riders Class this Sunday at the Loudon NOVA Campus. Just curious if anyone else was taking it, or if any of our resident MSF instructors were going to be the ones teaching it. Later, chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 15:49:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16880; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06545; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18430 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.122]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 271; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:47:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3576B2FB.D4063A07@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 15:45:15 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "cbr600twt@XXXXXX tom" , dc-cycles , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , thomas Gimer , "zbig@XXXXXX" Subject: saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok i got a message from zbig about a ride.....I.responded but I have not heard back yet... I went out for a thrash this afternoon and have a nice twisty,elevation change with some HIGH SPEED capabality areas if you all want to go.... :~)....took about 4 hrs. but i only stopped once and that was for gas...(i'm sure leon would approve of that) Or if someone else has a good plan please count me in...Either saturday or sunday but can only be one ......got to spend some time with the wife....this weekend. Craig Blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 16:04:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17185; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07723; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18869 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24085; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:03:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Christopher Meier cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF ERC In-Reply-To: <85256619.006C8C90.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris -- I'm slated to be there this Sunday as well. I need to dig up my confirmation and see exactly where it is... -ph On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Christopher Meier wrote: > I am taking the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Experienced Riders Class this > Sunday at the Loudon NOVA Campus. Just curious if anyone else was taking > it, or if any of our resident MSF instructors were going to be the ones > teaching it. > > Later, > chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 16:16:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17353; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08019; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19198 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id QAA08098; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip223.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.111.223) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma008091; Thu, 4 Jun 98 16:15:14 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980604161458.008ad820@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:15:19 -0400 To: "Christopher Meier", dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: MIKE Subject: Re: MSF ERC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Im taking mine July 10-12 in full battle gear. Sure is gonna be hot in that parking lot :0 At 03:47 PM 6/4/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: > > > > >I am taking the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Experienced Riders Class this >Sunday at the Loudon NOVA Campus. Just curious if anyone else was taking >it, or if any of our resident MSF instructors were going to be the ones >teaching it. > >Later, >chris > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 20:49:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19996; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14335; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24755 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13474 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980604205117.006aa2f4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 20:51:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Back from New England Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just to let everyone know that after five days and nearly 2000 miles, I'm back from my motorcycle journey through New York and New England. The short version is: Sunday: Bethesda to Watkins Glen, NY Monday: Watkins Glen to Lake Placid, NY Tuesday: Lake Placid to Boothbay Harbor, ME Wednesday: Boothbay Harbor to Brattleboro, VT Thursday: Brattleboro back to Bethesda (!) I'll have a trip summary and photos on my website shortly. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 21:35:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20272; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14674; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25487 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA04027; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806050136.VAA04027@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: saturday ride To: Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jencraig@XXXXXX, cbr600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" at Jun 4, 98 09:14:02 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Sounds like a cheap date. Keep me posted on which day you want to go. I'll > go either but I think Sunday is supposed to be a better day weather wise. > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > Let me check weather. My doaughter has dance & Swimming classes on Saturdays, my wife drives her there so for me it is a day for riding... Sunday is always a discussion and confict between bike and family. So, my preference is saturday - unless that is raining. Glen, can you get in touch with the resto fo the guys - V-max, 900RR, & co ? _zjt > > > ok i got a message from zbig about a ride.....I.responded but I have not > > heard back yet... > > I went out for a thrash this afternoon and have a nice twisty,elevation > > change with some > > HIGH SPEED capabality areas if you all want to go.... :~)....took about > > 4 hrs. > > but i only stopped once and that was for gas...(i'm sure leon would > > approve of that) > > Or if someone else has a good plan please count me in...Either saturday > > or sunday > > but can only be one ......got to spend some time with the wife....this > > weekend. > > Craig Blue TL > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 22:14:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20628; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15117; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26102 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:14:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WNQDa22587 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:13:25 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <88b6943d.35775446@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:13:25 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TL1000R Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, So much for waiting a week. Today I went and signed over my first born on a new TL-R. I dont pick it up till saturday because no one had the Yellow and black one in stock. So after things smooth out at my new location(work) I might be able to take some weekends off and cruise(quite briskly) once again. Talk to you all later. Sean Petr '98 TL1000R (finally!!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 22:26:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20695; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15212; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26274 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p194.smart.net [206.97.127.194]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA32522; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:25:41 -0400 Message-ID: <357758E5.7A3796AC@smart.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 22:33:09 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R References: <88b6943d.35775446@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does this mean you got a yellow one or settled for the gixer scheme? I'd love to see the yellow one in person. CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, So much for waiting a week. Today I went and signed over my first born > on a new TL-R. I dont pick it up till saturday because no one had the Yellow > and black one in stock. So after things smooth out at my new location(work) I > might be able to take some weekends off and cruise(quite briskly) once again. > Talk to you all later. > > Sean Petr > '98 TL1000R (finally!!) -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 23:18:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21090; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15934; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26953 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20180 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35778E1A.4144@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:20:10 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Saturday Ride Revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys and Gals, OK, We seem to have developed _some_ interest in a Saturday ride - you Poker Runners notwithstanding ;) Anyone have a plan? VA or MD - I don't care, but I wanna be able to get some of that carbon off my plugs. Way I figure we have at least 4-5 interested. Sounds like a nice, manageable group to me. I'd love to do the MD run similar to what Steve Harris did last November or where Todd Peer led us last summer. But I'm also willing to do VA 606, Snickersville, maybe 647 too.. whatever. Ciao, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 01:16:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22329; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18064; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28507 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr4-dialup17.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EU200CQSBXWUY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:15:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 13:14:51 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Yes!!!!!! To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000101bd8fba$c3c07160$d14337a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 LET'S GO CAPS! LET'S GO CAPS! I've been waiting ~20 years Bring home the cup guys. Jon Schumer (hockey nut) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 02:39:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23089; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA19100; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29881 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:39:27 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WADBa05150 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:38:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Yes!!!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-05 01:19:46 EDT, you write: << LET'S GO CAPS! LET'S GO CAPS! >> Yuck.......watch the Caps get crushed by the Wings or Stars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jack (Die hard Devils fan) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 03:09:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA23240; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA19269; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00241 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA12701; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:05:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:52:45 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: County Stickers Was To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980604143207.JCIG7401@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I got one even better than the sticker check roadblocks.Yesterday morning when I got home from work a couple of parking enforcement drones were going around the (gated/enclosed)parking lot of my apt complex writing tickets for county stickers,etc. Ding-dong,big brother calling. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 09:19:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25229; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21517; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04526 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Fri Jun 5 07:59 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA21965 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:18:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD9062.F4775D20@XXXXXX>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:18:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: vfr-digest V1 #1128 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:18:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw the following post on the VFR list and I was wondering if anyone has ever seen a spec on ANY M/C which can better a 2.9 sec 0-60 time. The only one I've ever heard of is the Boss Hoss but, it has a 5,700 CC engine in it and I still have trouble believing it because of the traction thing. John Carver '98 VFR ---------- From: owner-vfr-digest@XXXXXX[SMTP:owner-vfr-digest@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 1:26 PM To: vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: vfr-digest V1 #1128 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 9:45:10 EDT From: Bryan Ischo Subject: 0-60 in 1.3 secs??? X-Message-Number: 021 This is not really VFR related, but I have a quick question ... someone posted on the list about an article from Fortune magazine at http://www.pathfinder.com/fortune/pfortune/0608big.html which lists the Yamaha R1 0-60 time at 1.3 secs. Is this really true? If so, it would be one of the more amazing things I have ever heard. BTW, the VFR800 was chosen as the author's favorite "sportbike" out of the list of elite bikes used for the article ... and was listed at 2.9 secs 0-60. Thanks, Bryan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 09:51:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25576; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22189; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05351 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id GAA01727; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id GAA04341; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA27899; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:50:30 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA27896; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:50:29 -0700 Received: by hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD904E.64E10800@XXXXXX>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:51:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: VOC Poker Run Sunday, 6/7/98 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:45:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 58 TEXT, 73 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Hi guys, This Poker run on Sunday sounds like fun. Anybody plan on going? - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: VIRAGODAVE@XXXXXX [SMTP:VIRAGODAVE@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 5:47 PM To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VOC Poker Run Sunday, 6/7/98 Hi Ursulina The ride is 62 miles to Colonial Beach. We will start the Luncheon Buffet at 2:00 p.m. and it should be over at 4:30 p.m. Everyone should be home by 5:30 p.m. or sooner. We will be stopping at Fredericksburg MotorSports for refreshments and a break while enroute to Colonial Beach. Refreshments will be furnished by Fredericksburg Motor Sports and We will be there for about an hour. If you have any questions about the ride, or if you wan't info on our club or chapter, please email me or call me @ ( 703 ) 691-1423. We have an open club policy, all motorcycles are welcome. Looking foreward to meeting you on Sunday. 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M````2@````````#`/@_`0`` M`!$```!6:71E`/H_`0```!$```!6:71E; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA19553 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:40:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA18140 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980605154053.TRFC20960@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:40:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Coleman Posuer Sports X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980605154053.TRFC20960@[166.41.242.141]> Why is Coleman the only game in close to town? Since their big expansion out in Falls Church, they've hired some new parts people as well. First experience was about 3 weeks ago. I was ready to purchase some replacement bolts for plastic on the ST from a CBR. Simple cross reference, but the new kid kept me there for over .5hour using their new system. Just got off the phone (actually just hung up in frustration), conversation: me: "I'm looking for a fuel filter for a '91, ST1100" Parts: "Who makes that?" ! me: sort of surprised and frustrated, "Honda!" Parts: "Is that an ATV?" me: "Let me speak to your parts manager" Parts: "Why? I ask these same questions of every...", click. I've been having increasingly bad experiences over there, but tend to go back since they have all the goodies. I walked in to inquire price for a tire not to long ago, and was told that they couldn't even talk to me since I wasn't buying OEM!!! I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel out to Manassass...goddamnit! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 11:56:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26793; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23628; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08813 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA23937 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:56:16 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:56:16 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:56:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 15 TEXT >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, >are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel >out to Manassass...goddamnit! Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at Rider's Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him for years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that you are being too tolerant towards Coleman's. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 11:57:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26811; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23641; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08869 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhyrp-0003Gi-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:21 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:55:49 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B23@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:56:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain They also have really snooting condescending attitudes when dealing with women. - Jeannette > I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman > Powersports, > are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 11:58:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26829; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23658; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08912 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhyt5-0003RK-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:58:40 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:08 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B24@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Oops, that should've been snooty. They constantly act like I don't know what I'm talking about with a cute little, "Oh, isn't she cute, talking about motorcycles..." smile plastered on their faces. > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette > Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 11:57 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; dc-cycles > Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports > > They also have really snooting condescending attitudes when dealing > with women. > > - Jeannette > > > I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman > Powersports, > are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll > travel > out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:03:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26881; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23992; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09164 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhyxe-00044Y-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:03:22 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:01:52 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B28@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Early Update on DC Cycles Christmas Party... Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:02:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Tom & I closed on our house yesterday, so now we definitely have a place to host the Christmas shindig!! hee hee I can't BELIEVE I'm a homeowner!! BTW, has anyone ever had a bike stolen from Arlington? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:08:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27034; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24215; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09416 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29754; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: "Jordan, Michael" cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've stopped by Rider's Accessory Warehouse a couple of times, but never found the store open. No hours posted either. This doesn't bother me much, since I live close to there, but I am curious as to when is a likely time to find the place open.. Pete. On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Jordan, Michael wrote: > >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, > >are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > >out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at Rider's > Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). > > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him for > years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that you are > being too tolerant towards Coleman's. > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:19:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27194; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24476; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09811 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.107]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 114; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3577D3BA.448749A0@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:17:14 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Going There For warranty work.....mine has been there 3 times for a time length of 1.5 months...i was with a friend when he went to buy boots and the guy says "there over there" so their we are ready to climb up the shelf to look at some cause no one wants to help get em down..!!.hey jerk, he is ready to shell out $200+ and you dont want to help.!!!..well excuse us for wanting to buy something...!!!! guess it was not enough.... Jordan, Michael wrote: > >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, > >are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > >out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at Rider's > Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). > > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him for > years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that you are > being too tolerant towards Coleman's. > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:22:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27229; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24561; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10071 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA01121; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:21:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-07.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.39) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001087; Fri Jun 5 11:21:18 1998 Message-ID: <3577FF78.2759@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 07:23:52 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Early Update on DC Cycles Christmas Party... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B28@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > BTW, has anyone ever had a bike stolen from Arlington? > > - Jeannette Jeanette, Yes, bikes are stolen in Arlington, Secondly, I have had a tank bag, and a tailpack stolen off of bikes in Arlington. Living in Barcroft back in '87. Even had A spark Plug wire cut once. Guess somebody did not like bikes. Hopefully you have a garage....Good Luck.... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:38:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27812; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25118; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10783 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.110]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 301; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3577D833.D363A449@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:36:19 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "cbr600twt@XXXXXX tom" , curtis clements , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "Mersch, Tom" , steve beck , thomas Gimer , "zbig@XXXXXX" , "\"John C. Kozyn\"" , dc-cycles Subject: saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as per Zbig's request here it is: O.K. we have a decision...its going to be saturday 8:30 at Leesburg Amoco Will wait till 8:45 for the come latelys.......meeting Tom G & Tom M. At the gas er up in point of rocks on rt 28 near the train tracks at 9:10..... As Z-Big put it "pace for the west side group..DOUBLE YELLOW FAST"...but safely aggressive..... Your twisty friend craig...TL does that mean Tour Leader?? see ya soon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:50:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28042; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25301; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11142 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 114 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:49:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3578219A.D00CB955@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:49:30 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not very likely this weekend, Art Crow is riding in the Capitol 1000, along with our very own Leon and Louis! I've found it's best to call Art first, before heading over. :-) Good Luck Guys! Kick some butt!!! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 Peter Hartzler wrote: > > I've stopped by Rider's Accessory Warehouse a couple of times, but never > found the store open. No hours posted either. This doesn't bother me > much, since I live close to there, but I am curious as to when is a likely > time to find the place open.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:14:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28596; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25604; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12241 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08643 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:15:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02086 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806051714.NAA02086@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Not very likely this weekend, Art Crow is riding > in the Capitol 1000, along with our very own Leon > and Louis! I've found it's best to call Art first, > before heading over. :-) Actually, Coleman Powersport (in Woodbridge, not Falls Church) saved my hide. Some idiot (probably some kid) wanted to sit on my bike, so they yanked the cover off, which you can't do, they wound up bending the right mirror so far that it crashed into the brake lever. I didn't think it would pass the technical inspection for the Capitol 1000. I called all the Kawasaki shops I could think of. They all said "We'll have to order it" except for Coleman's in Woodbridge. I was there at 8:45, 15 minutes before they opened this morning. Got the mirror installed, I'm all packed up, and at 3:00 (maybe even sooner) I'm outta here and heading to Hagerstown. If any of you see Leon or I during the day Saturday, pls don't be insulted if we don't pull over to chat... we're on a mission! :-) > Good Luck Guys! Kick some butt!!! Thanks. While I'd like to place in the top 10, since this is my first rally, I'll be happy if I finish in the top half. (and if not that, at least to finish with me and the bike in once piece!) Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:17:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28620; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25625; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12296 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA04530 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:27:23 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:18:58 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501DA00@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: saturday ride Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:18:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like a plan! Does anyone in the Arlington, DC, Alexabdria, etc. area want to meet up for the ride out to Leeasburg? If not, can some one post directions to the Amoco from Arlington. Thanks Rich Westbrook > ---------- > From: jencraig > Sent: Friday, June 5, 1998 11:36 AM > To: cbr600twt@XXXXXX tom; curtis clements; Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., > IMCEN; Mersch, Tom; steve beck; thomas Gimer; zbig@XXXXXX; "John C. > Kozyn"; dc-cycles > Subject: saturday ride > > as per Zbig's request here it is: > > O.K. we have a decision...its going to be saturday 8:30 at Leesburg > Amoco > Will wait till 8:45 for the come latelys.......meeting Tom G & Tom M. At > the gas er up in > point of rocks on rt 28 near the train tracks at 9:10..... > As Z-Big put it "pace for the west side group..DOUBLE YELLOW FAST"...but > safely aggressive..... > Your twisty friend craig...TL does that mean Tour Leader?? > see ya soon > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:22:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28665; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25689; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12372 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA23717; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma023649; Fri, 5 Jun 98 13:21:05 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Early Update on DC Cycles Christmas Party... Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hope I'm not jinxing myself by saying this... I park outdoors (in the driveway next to my house) & haven't had a problem. Never had a problem in DC either... but that was in a locked garage! John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken [mailto:shephar1@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 10:24 AM To: O'Brien, Jeannette Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Early Update on DC Cycles Christmas Party... O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > BTW, has anyone ever had a bike stolen from Arlington? > > - Jeannette Jeanette, Yes, bikes are stolen in Arlington, Secondly, I have had a tank bag, and a tailpack stolen off of bikes in Arlington. Living in Barcroft back in '87. Even had A spark Plug wire cut once. Guess somebody did not like bikes. Hopefully you have a garage....Good Luck.... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:35:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28860; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25926; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12743 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA09788; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:34:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-07.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.39) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009750; Fri Jun 5 12:34:42 1998 Message-ID: <357810A6.4510@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:37:10 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Whats the Capitol 1000? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the Capitol 1000? and where in Hagerstown , At the Speedway? -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:36:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28870; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25946; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12769 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:36:11 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YHWa08565; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:35:31 EDT To: jencraig@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 6/5/98 12:24:12 PM, jencraig@XXXXXX wrote: I fyou really want to accomplish something, why not compile everybody's complaints into one long letter to the management, citing the number of people on the DC Cycles list and threatening boycott if they don't shape up...... heh heh Marcy <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:40:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28965; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26121; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12994 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.24 (pix000184.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.196]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA05228; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:40:18 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:41:53 -0300 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: jencraig , "Jordan, Michael" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Has anyone on the list had any experience with Manasass Honda? I'm going to get some basic maintenance done on the bike (mechanically challenged and I'll give my worst excuse ever - no time to do it myself) and I was going to go to this dealer. Are they honest/good to work with? Thanks much. My better half is going away for 3 weeks soon, so I'll be married to the bike for that time and want to make sure everything's running smooth! Thanks, Matt > Try Going There For warranty work.....mine has been there 3 times for > a time length of 1.5 months...i was with a friend when he went to > buy boots and the guy says "there over there" so their we are ready > to climb up the shelf to look at some cause no one wants to help get > em down..!!.hey jerk, he is ready to shell out $200+ and you dont want > to help.!!!..well excuse us for wanting to buy something...!!!! > guess it was not enough.... > > Jordan, Michael wrote: > > > >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman > > >Powersports, are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > > > >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll > > >travel out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > > > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at > > Rider's Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). > > > > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him > > for years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that > > you are being too tolerant towards Coleman's. > > > > Michael J. > > > > > ------------ Matt Elliott Regional Sales Manager DIGEX 301-847-6242 (voice) 301-847-5055 (fax) An Intermedia Communications Company From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:50:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29127; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26513; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13192 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA15608 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:49:54 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:49:54 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Whats the Capitol 1000? Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:50:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 8 TEXT >What is the Capitol 1000? and where in Hagerstown , At the Speedway? It's an endurance run - 1,000 miles (or more) in 24 hours (or less) with points bonuses for getting odd (and uaually out of the way) information. See: http://www.ironbutt.com and http://www.cap1000.org for more info Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:54:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29190; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26635; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13335 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 272; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:54:50 -0400 Message-ID: <357830C6.DEE8AF92@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:54:14 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Whats the Capitol 1000? References: <357810A6.4510@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ken asked: > > What is the Capitol 1000? and where in Hagerstown , At the Speedway? Here's the URL: http://www.cap1000.org/index.htm And to shamelessly quote the first paragraph of said URL: "The Capitol 1000 is the latest of the motorcycle endurance competitions of its kind on the East Coast. The rally will begin in Hagerstown, MD on Saturday, June 6, 1998 and take a circuitous loop around the area surrounding our nation’s capitol before arriving back in Hagerstown, MD 1000 + miles later on Sunday, June 7, 1998. The Capitol 1000 Motorcycle Rally is not about speed, but rather, analyzing bonus locations to collect maximum bonus points while riding scads of miles in a safe and prudent manner." I plan on going up there tonight and maybe meeting some of the bigger dogs in the nation's Long Distance riding community. These guys (and gals, check out the rider's list!) are gonna make my recent 1000 mile in a day ride look like mere child's play. (which, in a way, it was! :-) Ride safe! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:01:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29289; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26793; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13519 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 361; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:01:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3578326B.40AA49F6@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:01:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Elliott - DIGEX , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, if you are ticked at CPS, there kind of the best of what's left in the area. Not a ringing endorsement, I know. They'll happily try to sell you crap and services you don't need, and you've got to pry useful info out of the young/inexperienced/ clueless/disinterested parts guys sometimes, but I've had a valve adjustment there that went smoothly, and they've mounted a tire or two for me as well. Although I've now been waiting on a Kawasaki service manual for my Concours going on 5 weeks now. :( (Although I think everyone is having that problem with Kawi manuals right now) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > > Has anyone on the list had any experience with Manasass Honda? > > Are they honest/good to work with? > > T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:03:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29314; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26834; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13598 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 317; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:48 -0400 Message-ID: <357832F3.A851ED63@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:03:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: <19980605154053.TRFC20960@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > me: "I'm looking for a fuel filter for a '91, ST1100" > Parts: "Who makes that?" ! > me: sort of surprised and frustrated, "Honda!" > Parts: "Is that an ATV?" Good gawd! Don't they give these pimple-headed kids *ANY* kind of introduction to motorcycles before they turn them loose? :-) Still, gotta admit, it's kind of funny! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:07:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29391; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26950; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13765 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA09628 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:06:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA25406 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980605180653.UNGC20960@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:06:53 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bd90ac$b635dd80$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I bought my bike there and had it repaired after my little $3400 mishap 5 days later. They have always done fine work and I have no complaints except for the cost (which is not out of line with other shops). LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX [mailto:elliottm@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 12:42 PM To: jencraig; Jordan, Michael Cc: 'dc-cycles' Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Has anyone on the list had any experience with Manasass Honda? I'm going to get some basic maintenance done on the bike (mechanically challenged and I'll give my worst excuse ever - no time to do it myself) and I was going to go to this dealer. Are they honest/good to work with? Thanks much. My better half is going away for 3 weeks soon, so I'll be married to the bike for that time and want to make sure everything's running smooth! Thanks, Matt > Try Going There For warranty work.....mine has been there 3 times for > a time length of 1.5 months...i was with a friend when he went to > buy boots and the guy says "there over there" so their we are ready > to climb up the shelf to look at some cause no one wants to help get > em down..!!.hey jerk, he is ready to shell out $200+ and you dont want > to help.!!!..well excuse us for wanting to buy something...!!!! > guess it was not enough.... > > Jordan, Michael wrote: > > > >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman > > >Powersports, are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > > > >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll > > >travel out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > > > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at > > Rider's Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). > > > > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him > > for years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that > > you are being too tolerant towards Coleman's. > > > > Michael J. > > > > > ------------ Matt Elliott Regional Sales Manager DIGEX 301-847-6242 (voice) 301-847-5055 (fax) An Intermedia Communications Company From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:08:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29409; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26967; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13801 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18834 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:08:49 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:08:49 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:09:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 5 TEXT >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" Neat name - I like that - so appropriate Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:11:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29481; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27206; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13880 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA12579; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:10:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA03619; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980605181046.NYZG7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:10:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980605181046.NYZG7401@[166.41.242.141]> Glenn Dysart wrote: >Todd, from my Honda parts mail order expeierce these guys are the cheapest. >Trust me, I called every mail order dealer when I was putting my bike back >together last summer. An example is the rubber mount for the front turn >signals. K&R was $11, and Coleman was $23. Quite a savings. My frustration didn't necessarily stem from price(s). It's the attitude of the shop. Coleman Powersports, to their credit, is well stocked with lots of bikes and goodies, albiet over-priced. But sometimes I'll go ahead and pay the price minus my AMA discount just because I want it (whatever) then and I don't want to dick w/shopping. However, the attitude and 'policies' of the shop have really gotton out of hand. They're selling used cars for ****-sake! Of the people I've dealt with at Coleman (and I bought my CB750 from them), I can say that more than 65% of them are know-nothing, could give a crap jerks. There are two service guys, two parts guys and sometimes one of the accessory guys there that I respect, for their attentive audience to my problem/need and for their obvious knowledge and skill. But things seem to have been going down hill for the past few years. I suspect Old Man Coleman has seen big dollars lately and can think of nothing more than expanding. Well, not with anymore of my money they won't. And not with any money from friends I can persuade NOT to SHOP COLEMAN.... Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:29:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29737; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28081; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14490 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA29862; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma029833; Fri, 5 Jun 98 14:28:44 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: bike shops Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:30:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since everyone is venting spleen at Coleman (not that I'm disagreeing!) I thought I'd say something positive about a good shop. A number of friends have recommended Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's Crossroads and I finally gave 'em a try for some minor stuff on my CX500... all in all a positive experience, these guys were professional & knowledgeable & generally nice folks too. I've just been there this one time, but I know a bunch of folks who swear by them. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:40:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29879; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28748; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14739 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yi1PY-00055I-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:40:20 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B37@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: bike shops Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:39:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Dennis, who works there, is a very old friend of mine.. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:30 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: bike shops > > Since everyone is venting spleen at Coleman (not that I'm > disagreeing!) I > thought I'd say something positive about a good shop. > > A number of friends have recommended Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's > Crossroads and I finally gave 'em a try for some minor stuff on my > CX500... > all in all a positive experience, these guys were professional & > knowledgeable & generally nice folks too. I've just been there this > one > time, but I know a bunch of folks who swear by them. > > John Whiteside > Marketing Specialist > EIS International > Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > http://www.eisi.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:48:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00038; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28939; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15104 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24738; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:49:09 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D06A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: bike shops Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:49:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I've always heard great things about them as well. However, I've only used them once and that was to mount a set of tires, and amazingly, they managed to get the front tire about as out of balance as is physically possible!! Based on recommendations though, I would probably try them again. Any more though, there is really nothing that I'll take the bike to a shop for...mounting tires on the race bike will be done by Jack's traveling Sport Cycle shop out at the race track. $10/tire ain't bad. I'll also plug Fast Lane Cycle. While Rick Beggs isn't the most talkative type, his shop has a great reputation, especially with racers. For some parts I needed, he offered the exact same price as the mail order companies. And given that option, I'll support the local shop every time. > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:36 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: bike shops > > > A number of friends have recommended Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's > Crossroads > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:04:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00252; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29128; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15628 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA26617; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA20569; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980605190402.OFWH7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:04:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: bike shops X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980605190402.OFWH7401@[166.41.242.141]> >I've always heard great things about them as well. However, I've only used >them once and that was to mount a set of tires, and amazingly, they managed >to get the front tire about as out of balance as is physically possible!! Here, here for both CrossRoads Cycles and Fast Lane. I've dealt with xroads only in a conversational way. Just stopped by one day to rap with the mechanics. Very cool people and didn't mind taking the time to answer some questions I had. However, its just a mechanic shop. No other goodies. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:12:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00370; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29236; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15829 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 294; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <357842A9.CC9C9BD@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:10:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan, Michael wrote: > > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > > Neat name - I like that - so appropriate > Thanks! I figured if nothing else, the name gives me an excuse to *NOT* wash my bike! :-) Hit a really full bug on the way down to Deal's Gap, high and center on the windshield. Left lots of wet crap on the shield. Imagine my horror as I saw the slime slowly creeping *UP* the windshield toward my face, blown by the highway-speed windblast: "Uck. What a mess. Maybe it'll stop. Nope, it's creeping closer to the edge! I can't slow down, I'm on a SaddleSore pace! Don't want Leon and Louis to thing something's wrong. Aaauuugh, it's gonna splatter all over me!" :-) I actually had to take a gloved finger and reach out to the windshield and clean it off before it blew all over my helmet and jacket. Ick. Before I knew it, my bike had named itself. :-) So now I intend to rid the world (or at least Northern Virginia) of as many of those creepy, crawly, little 6-legged bastards with the front of my bike as I possibly can! It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it. :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:20:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00530; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29368; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16179 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA29457 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:20:25 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:20:25 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:21:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >Hit a really full bug on the way down to Deal's Gap I got one on my faceshield behind Dulles airport - absolutely no idea what it was, but it totally obscured my faceshield (this at 60 MPH +/-). Stop, get a handful of grass and clean it up as best as possible. Oh yeah - did I mention that I have a phobia about bugs?? Michael (going buggy) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:29:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00630; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29434; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16362 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 373; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:28:56 -0400 Message-ID: <357846E5.C9FE9450@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:28:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: bike shops References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D06A@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin said: > he offered the exact same price as the mail order companies. > And given that option, I'll support the local shop every time. Well, hell yeah, I would too. All a local shop has to do is get *close* to a mail order price, and I'd be happy to help keep them in business. That's not often the case, however, and I hate to haggle. Until then, I guess I'll be keeping UPS in business instead. :-( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:45:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00772; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29645; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16766 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:38 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA01386 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199806051944.AA01386@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:18 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:18 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:42:31 -0400 Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I had a pregnant rice bug explode on my visor once..then all these little white maggot-like creatures.. THOUSANDS of them... started crawling all over and UNDER my visor...YEEEECHHH.. I threw the helmet away than risk having one of those honkers creep outta the padding and eat into my brain... -aki > >Hit a really full bug on the way down to Deal's Gap > > I got one on my faceshield behind Dulles airport - absolutely no idea > what it was, but it totally obscured my faceshield (this at 60 MPH +/-). > Stop, get a handful of grass and clean it up as best as possible. > > Oh yeah - did I mention that I have a phobia about bugs?? > > Michael (going buggy) J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:51:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00884; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29833; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16984 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABF42079012E; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:50:12 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605154626.01047670@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:46:26 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: bike shops In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B37@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is Crossroads Cycle okay? My stepson called them and their phone was disconnected. Chris Norloff ********************************************************* At 02:39 PM 6/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >Dennis, who works there, is a very old friend of mine.. > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:30 PM >> To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: bike shops >> >> Since everyone is venting spleen at Coleman (not that I'm >> disagreeing!) I >> thought I'd say something positive about a good shop. >> >> A number of friends have recommended Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's >> Crossroads and I finally gave 'em a try for some minor stuff on my >> CX500... >> all in all a positive experience, these guys were professional & >> knowledgeable & generally nice folks too. I've just been there this >> one >> time, but I know a bunch of folks who swear by them. >> >> John Whiteside >> Marketing Specialist >> EIS International >> Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 >> jwhiteside@XXXXXX >> http://www.eisi.com >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:53:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00910; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29898; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17077 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC6D93C0296; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:52:13 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605155552.0103ec60@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:55:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports In-Reply-To: <199806051944.AA01386@egate2.citicorp.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Are you SURE you didn't miss any? :-) Chris Norloff ******************************************************************** At 03:42 PM 6/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >I had a pregnant rice bug explode on my visor once..then >all these little white maggot-like creatures.. THOUSANDS of >them... started crawling all over and UNDER my visor...YEEEECHHH.. > >I threw the helmet away than risk having one of those honkers >creep outta the padding and eat into my brain... > >-aki > >> >Hit a really full bug on the way down to Deal's Gap >> >> I got one on my faceshield behind Dulles airport - absolutely no idea >> what it was, but it totally obscured my faceshield (this at 60 MPH >+/-). >> Stop, get a handful of grass and clean it up as best as possible. >> >> Oh yeah - did I mention that I have a phobia about bugs?? >> >> Michael (going buggy) J. >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:06:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01048; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00444; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17440 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA05019; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:05:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA32063; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:05:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980605200533.VGDY20960@XXXXXX>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:05:33 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "CBR List" , "Dc-Cycles" , "HSTA" Subject: New Roadcrafter Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:05:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bd90bd$498f7900$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 So, how long does it take before a new Roadcrafter starts too soften up? Got it yesterday and I originally put it together with the optional back protector and hip pads (like I need additional padding there) and without the ellipse. I've since swapped that around - no back protector/hip pads but with ellipse. So, now I can move, but it still feels restrictive and off balance. Would washing it make it any softer? Or just ruin the water proofness? The instructions say it takes around 1k miles for it to loosen up. So, I need to do a saddlesore? And the zippers at the wrist refuse to stay closed. Am I just being picky? Help (in a meek voice) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:08:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01065; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00479; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17468 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA31159; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Chris Norloff cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike shops In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980605154626.01047670@norloff.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm.. On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > Is Crossroads Cycle okay? My stepson called them and their phone was > disconnected. Maybe their phone lines are on that centrex switch that died. Lots of phones were out in that neck of the woods. It should be OK now if that was the trouble. Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:09:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01089; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00531; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17516 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 316; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:09:04 -0400 Message-ID: <35785040.5E3BBE97@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:08:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: <199806051944.AA01386@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > I had a pregnant rice bug explode on my visor once..then > all these little white maggot-like creatures.. THOUSANDS of > them... started crawling all over and UNDER my visor...YEEEECHHH.. > > I threw the helmet away than risk having one of those honkers > creep outta the padding and eat into my brain... > > -aki > Aki, You win the 'grossest bug story of the day' award. Yeccchh is right. I'm gonna have bad dreams now.... Gee thanks! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:11:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01110; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00629; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17622 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id QAA10964; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma010950; Fri, 5 Jun 98 16:10:57 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike shops Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:12:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My bike was there when that happened! According to Dennis they had a new alarm system put in last week, and the installers screwed up their phones. They are, however, there, and their phone is working again. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 3:46 PM To: O'Brien, Jeannette; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike shops Is Crossroads Cycle okay? My stepson called them and their phone was disconnected. Chris Norloff ********************************************************* At 02:39 PM 6/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >Dennis, who works there, is a very old friend of mine.. > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:30 PM >> To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: bike shops >> >> Since everyone is venting spleen at Coleman (not that I'm >> disagreeing!) I >> thought I'd say something positive about a good shop. >> >> A number of friends have recommended Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's >> Crossroads and I finally gave 'em a try for some minor stuff on my >> CX500... >> all in all a positive experience, these guys were professional & >> knowledgeable & generally nice folks too. I've just been there this >> one >> time, but I know a bunch of folks who swear by them. >> >> John Whiteside >> Marketing Specialist >> EIS International >> Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 >> jwhiteside@XXXXXX >> http://www.eisi.com >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:11:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01115; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00645; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17628 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:18 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA02689 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:10:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199806052010.AA02689@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:10:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:10:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:10:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:18 -0400 Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980605155552.0103ec60@norloff.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME huh..aw..GAK.....wha? WILL SOMEONE PLUUZZEEE ANSWER THE PHONE!!!.. doe de doe doe doe.. > Are you SURE you didn't miss any? > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > ******************************************************************** > At 03:42 PM 6/5/98 -0400, you wrote: > >I had a pregnant rice bug explode on my visor once..then > >all these little white maggot-like creatures.. THOUSANDS of > >them... started crawling all over and UNDER my visor...YEEEECHHH.. > > > >I threw the helmet away than risk having one of those honkers > >creep outta the padding and eat into my brain... > > > >-aki > > > >> >Hit a really full bug on the way down to Deal's Gap > >> > >> I got one on my faceshield behind Dulles airport - absolutely no idea > >> what it was, but it totally obscured my faceshield (this at 60 MPH > >+/-). > >> Stop, get a handful of grass and clean it up as best as possible. > >> > >> Oh yeah - did I mention that I have a phobia about bugs?? > >> > >> Michael (going buggy) J. > >> > > > > > > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:44:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01668; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01189; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18533 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA10359 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:43:57 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:43:57 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:44:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >I had a pregnant rice bug explode on my visor once..then Thanks, guy - I needed that :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:45:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01684; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01217; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18560 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA04713; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806052040.QAA04713@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980605154053.TRFC20960@[166.41.242.141]> from "Todd Peer" at Jun 5, 98 11:36:00 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Why is Coleman the only game in close to town? Since their big expansion > out in Falls Church, they've hired some new parts people as well. > > First experience was about 3 weeks ago. I was ready to purchase some > replacement bolts for plastic on the ST from a CBR. Simple cross reference, > but the new kid kept me there for over .5hour using their new system. > > Just got off the phone (actually just hung up in frustration), conversation: > > me: "I'm looking for a fuel filter for a '91, ST1100" > Parts: "Who makes that?" ! > me: sort of surprised and frustrated, "Honda!" > Parts: "Is that an ATV?" > me: "Let me speak to your parts manager" > Parts: "Why? I ask these same questions of every...", click. > > I've been having increasingly bad experiences over there, but tend > to go back since they have all the goodies. I walked in to inquire > price for a tire not to long ago, and was told that they couldn't even > talk to me since I wasn't buying OEM!!! > > I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, > are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > out to Manassass...goddamnit! > call Leesburg, 777-1652, Loudoun Motorstports - and tell them that you are from DC-cycles. > Todd > _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:52:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01802; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01318; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18732 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA04033; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:51:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-06.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.102) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003927; Fri Jun 5 15:50:55 1998 Message-ID: <35783E81.5D53@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 11:52:49 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Whats the Capitol 1000? References: <98Jun5.134436edt.26886@virginia.dsava.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Hamlett wrote: > > 1000 miles in 24 hours, it's an Iron Butt ride. See http://www.cap1000.org Thanx guys... Too Cool, Had not heard of it before. Someday, Someday... ;) -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 21:58:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04386; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03974; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23846 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02923; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3578CCD2.F10@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:00:02 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: RWestbrook@XXXXXX Subject: Leesburg Amoco Directions ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: "Westbrook, Richard" > To: "'DC-Cycles'" > Subject: RE: saturday ride > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:18:57 -0400 > Sounds like a plan! > > Does anyone in the Arlington, DC, Alexabdria, etc. area want to meet up for > the ride out to Leeasburg? Hey Rich, I'll ride you with ya' if someone posts the directions we need !! I wanna leave A'ton at around 7:30 or so (I'm at Rte 50 and Fillmore) > If not, can some one post directions to the Amoco from Arlington. C'mon guys/gals, where is that mofo Amoco exactly? I'm on D-Mode so please e-mail direct. TIA JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 22:15:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04550; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04085; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24011 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:15:06 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWXBa26052 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:14:33 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <80f2317d.3578a60b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:14:33 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Time for my .02 about Coleman. I have a love/hate relationship with them. I bought my TL from the Woodbridge store. I got a nice deal on it since the salesman was a high school bud of mine. I wrecked the TL and it was being fixed for 2 months! Thats pretty damn slow. I have also had some problems with service. When I bought the TL part of the deal was that I would get free tire mounting for the first year. It is standard (yes, STANDARD) on ALL TLs sold. When I went to get the tire mounted I told the guy that it should be free. But since I didnt have my little membership card...which Im not sure I actually ever got, I had to pay 50+ dollars! He even pulled the bike up on the system and saw that it was bought from them during this time period. They are just too money hungry. The guy I bought the TL from now works at Manassas Honda (couldnt take Coleman anymore). His name is Butch, he is a really nice guy (although young and slightly pimp faced) he knows his bikes. Tell him that Jack sent ya. I guarantee he'll give ya a good deal. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 22:37:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04828; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04172; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24269 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:56:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'zbig@XXXXXX'" Cc: jencraig@XXXXXX, cbr600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: saturday ride Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:59:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) That would be Steve (Vmax) and Curtis (RR). They are on the list, I'm sure they will see our posts. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Glen, can you get in touch with the resto fo the guys - V-max, 900RR, > & co ? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 22:37:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04834; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04177; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24272 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:30:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:33:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Todd, from my Honda parts mail order expeierce these guys are the cheapest. Trust me, I called every mail order dealer when I was putting my bike back together last summer. An example is the rubber mount for the front turn signals. K&R was $11, and Coleman was $23. Quite a savings. Good luck Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna K&R Honda parts 242-25 Braddock Avenue Bellerose, NY (800) 669-2275 or (800) 955-2925 (FAX) (800) 258-7195 POC: David > Why is Coleman the only game in close to town? Since their big expansion > out in Falls Church, they've hired some new parts people as well. > > First experience was about 3 weeks ago. I was ready to purchase some > replacement bolts for plastic on the ST from a CBR. Simple cross > reference, > but the new kid kept me there for over .5hour using their new system. > > Just got off the phone (actually just hung up in frustration), > conversation: > > me: "I'm looking for a fuel filter for a '91, ST1100" > Parts: "Who makes that?" ! > me: sort of surprised and frustrated, "Honda!" > Parts: "Is that an ATV?" > me: "Let me speak to your parts manager" > Parts: "Why? I ask these same questions of every...", click. > > I've been having increasingly bad experiences over there, but tend > to go back since they have all the goodies. I walked in to inquire > price for a tire not to long ago, and was told that they couldn't even > talk to me since I wasn't buying OEM!!! > > I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, > are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 22:37:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04833; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04179; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24275 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:33:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:36:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Art, doesn't do OEM parts anymore. I asked him about some about 6 months ago and he said he can't get them anymore. I don't know what his prices were on OEM but his other prices aren't that great. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at Rider's > Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). > > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him for > years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that you are > being too tolerant towards Coleman's. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 22:48:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04920; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04340; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24411 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.115]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 375; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:48:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35786715.23DFC643@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:45:57 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles , RWestbrook@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leesburg Amoco Directions ? References: <3578CCD2.F10@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit taking rt.7 west to leesburg follow signage for rt 7 bussiness forward into town of leesburg see roy rogers on the right at hte first traffic light continue forward next traffic light see wendys on the right continue forward see mcdonalds on the left continue forward 1/4 mi past mcdonalds road forks take either fork AMOCO is 100 yards in between the two roads can see the AMOCO from either road .......... if using the toll road go all the way till the toll road becomes the greenway go all the way to the end of the greenway exit to the right sign says rt 15 north to frederick md first traffic light turn left follow road over the bridge should see roy rogers across the street to the left follow directions for rt7 business see you in the morning....... Craig John C. Kozyn wrote: > > From: "Westbrook, Richard" > > To: "'DC-Cycles'" > > Subject: RE: saturday ride > > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:18:57 -0400 > > > Sounds like a plan! > > > > Does anyone in the Arlington, DC, Alexabdria, etc. area want to meet up for > > the ride out to Leeasburg? > > Hey Rich, I'll ride you with ya' if someone posts the directions we need > !! I wanna leave A'ton at around 7:30 or so (I'm at Rte 50 and Fillmore) > > > If not, can some one post directions to the Amoco from Arlington. > > C'mon guys/gals, where is that mofo Amoco exactly? I'm on D-Mode so > please e-mail direct. > > TIA > > JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 23:17:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05243; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04458; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24742 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA19499; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:16:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-09.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.73) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019440; Fri Jun 5 22:16:07 1998 Message-ID: <357898E2.3B04@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 18:18:26 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New location of Hagerstown Honda/Kawasaki Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read that both Hagerstown dealers had consolidated their store to an new location. I think this is an open house. Any body knmow for sure where there new dealer is located? -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 11:58:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11350; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08147; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02641 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22090; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.30] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA00021 for ; Sat, 06 Jun 1998 11:57:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bd9163$bbb2f7e0$1e73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Chuck & Zbig crash. Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:56:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Well, our morning did not start off well. After meeting at Leesburg Amoco. Craig, Tom T., Zbig, John Kozyn, Rich & myself went up Rt 15 to Point of Rocks where we met Tom G., Chuck & another (sorry, I'm bad w/ names). Leaving Point of Rocks on Rt 28 we took a left on Pleasant View Road. After about 2 miles we crossed a small bridge in a twisty section. Apparantly Chuck (Virago) got wide & clipped the guard rail on the right side (left hand twisty). Chuck appears to have a broken right leg & a severe laceration to his right cheek. Zbig was following & seems to have hit Chuck's bike, then flipped & broke his right shoulder or collar bone. Virago is totalled (broken frame where brake pedal attaches, broken upper triple clamp) Zbig's XX seems to have mostly cosmetic damage (both lowers, upper, both mirrors, both exhaust canisters, Givi bag mounting, bike would roll but would not start). Both riders were taken to Frederick Memorial Hospital. John Kozyn went with them and i hope to hear more about there condition soon. Both riders were concious & alert so I feel confident that broken bones are the worst of it. Everyone please ride safe! Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 12:54:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11582; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08403; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03606 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-73.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.73]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id MAA05539; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980606124500.00ac0c50@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 12:45:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Friend looking for a Shadow... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A friend of mine just got her license, and went out shopping immediately the other night for a bike. After looking around, she seems to have settled on a Shadow 750 as her bike of choice. So, first of all, does anyone have, or know of someone who has, one of these for sale? My personal feeling is that an older bike is better, but I don't even know how long they've been made. Maybe someone can educate me on the finer points and possible failings of this bike. Secondly, are there bikes you might recommend which are similarly styled? Arguments for said bikes are also appreciated. And if you know of _those_ for sale, feel free to throw that in, also. :) Thanks everyone, MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 14:20:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12432; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10518; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06777 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr25-dialup11.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EU5003916WYFC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:19:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 02:19:05 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000c01bd90f1$7bc26f20$0b4937a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Holy crap!!!!!! I hope everyone is gonna be ok. What horrible news. My sympathies to everyone involved. Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Norton To: DC-Cycles Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 4:07 PM Subject: Chuck & Zbig crash. >Well, our morning did not start off well. After meeting at Leesburg Amoco. >Craig, Tom T., Zbig, John Kozyn, Rich & myself went up Rt 15 to Point of >Rocks where we met Tom G., Chuck & another (sorry, I'm bad w/ names). >Leaving Point of Rocks on Rt 28 we took a left on Pleasant View Road. After >about 2 miles we crossed a small bridge in a twisty section. Apparantly >Chuck (Virago) got wide & clipped the guard rail on the right side (left >hand twisty). Chuck appears to have a broken right leg & a severe laceration >to his right cheek. Zbig was following & seems to have hit Chuck's bike, >then flipped & broke his right shoulder or collar bone. Virago is totalled >(broken frame where brake pedal attaches, broken upper triple clamp) Zbig's >XX seems to have mostly cosmetic damage (both lowers, upper, both mirrors, >both exhaust canisters, Givi bag mounting, bike would roll but would not >start). Both riders were taken to Frederick Memorial Hospital. John Kozyn >went with them and i hope to hear more about there condition soon. Both >riders were concious & alert so I feel confident that broken bones are the >worst of it. > >Everyone please ride safe! > >Bruce >Leesburg, VA >'98 VFR800 "Tronix" >'94 RF600 "For Sale" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 15:35:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12995; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10820; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f138.hotmail.com [207.82.251.17]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25721 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 439 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 1998 19:35:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19980606193509.438.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.76.254.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jun 1998 12:35:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.76.254.142] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Going to Laconia? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 15:35:09 EDT If anyone on the list is going to Laconia let me know. I am planning on leaving on the 11 or 12 and returning on the 19th. Camping and riding in the mtns is the plan with maybe going to see the bikers for a day or two. Paul Gerhardt pgerhardt@XXXXXX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 17:06:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14015; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11310; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12069 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA05526; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806062106.RAA05526@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX (Dawn & Jon) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000c01bd90f1$7bc26f20$0b4937a6@0302104396168270> from "Dawn & Jon" at Jun 6, 98 02:19:05 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Warning: left hand typist at the keyboard. When I was leaving FMH, chuck was already in other hospital. looks like it more serious than it looked at beginning- multple broken bones in leg. I am really sorry for him. his bike is a goner - front subframe in pieces; I am home, stiff and in some pain. 1- separated shoulder. 2- minor bruises on right leg. no blood anywhere. my bike - scratched canisters, broken right exhaust pipe; broken off left mirror; badly scratched left fairing and bottom. Givi mount broken givi bag broken. looks like fixer. biggrdt damage to my ego. What happend - on a blind right hander over hill Chuck went a tad wide; he panicked on transition into left hander down into the small bridge, and just drove into rail, bounced fro it and i was faced with guardrail, chuck and moving into left bike. As a reselut i hit bike om thr center of the road, flipped over. end of story. lesson for me - stay further away from someone you do not know how she/he is riding. _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 21:19:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16199; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13068; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14116 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.41.110.39]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 367; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:19:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3579EAFA.6AFA0031@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:20:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. References: <199806062106.RAA05526@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zbig, Sorry about the bad news, but I'm glad that it's not worse news, if you know what I mean. I'm glad you and Chuck are relatively ok. Sorry about the bikes. :( I sincerly wish you guys a speedy recovery! Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > Warning: left hand typist at the keyboard. > What happend - on a blind right hander over hill Chuck went a tad wide; he > panicked on transition into left hander down into the small bridge, > and just drove into rail, bounced fro it and i was faced with > guardrail, chuck and moving into left bike. As a reselut i hit bike om > thr center of the road, flipped over. end of story. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 21:35:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16262; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13141; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14202 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p194.smart.net [206.97.127.194]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21148; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:34:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3579F03B.7EED2CC@smart.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:43:24 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dawn & Jon CC: DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. References: <000c01bd90f1$7bc26f20$0b4937a6@0302104396168270> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll tell you what, the feeling in my stomach that comes when I'm riding _back_ to locate riding buddies that are unaccounted for is not one I want to get used to. It seems like this is happening too often of late. Like the Horkster said though, it could have been worse. You gotta look on the bright side. Dawn & Jon wrote: > Holy crap!!!!!! I hope everyone is gonna be ok. What horrible news. My > sympathies to everyone involved. > > Jon Schumer -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 21:55:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16402; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13274; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (known jefferson.patriot.net [206.151.9.249]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14386 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bhuson.patriot.net (th-1-11.patriot.net [206.29.51.13]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07923 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3579F23D.397A@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:51:57 -0400 From: William Huson Reply-To: bhuson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A thank you note and a story... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's me again - Bill Huson - survivor of the Harley/geezmobile crunch one week ago. Thanks for the many emails. Y`all lifted my spirits on a day when I was literly and figuratively snake-belly low and crawling. Body report: The bruises and sprains have sorted themselves out with a few clear winners in the long painful road to recovery contest. This will no doubt be a month littered with doctor visits and such. Bike report: Soon to be transferred to a dealer for the final judgement on fixability or not. Either way I'll be in the saddle again before the summer's out. That will be the only way I'll know if I can shake the mental trauma. One of my other hobbys is more sedate - fiction writing. I leave a link for your entertainment. Pardon the pragraphing and punctuation. Seems the translation to html altered the original. link -->> Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 23:05:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16718; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13706; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14969 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23794; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:05:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jbabinski@XXXXXX Received: from Jbabinski@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IVXNa14705 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:04:06 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b110db8.357a0327@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:04:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 1985 V-65 Sabre, like new, for sale, $1,995 OBO Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Selling my V-65 Sabre, original owner, like new bike, this bike is one of a kind, babied, 34K easy miles by a 36 to now 49 year old. Must sell $1,995 OBO From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 23:15:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16764; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13822; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15038 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-45-169.s169.tnt5.brd.erols.com [207.172.45.169]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19903 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806070314.XAA19903@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: F3 Drag Racing Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:12:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ran my 96 F3 at Summerduck Raceway today. My best run was a 8.3268 at 88.4853 mph. I never got out of third gear!!. (The fact that the track is only 1/8th mile long explains this). I won my first heat race, but in the second round I lost because my reaction time was too quick. I got off the line in approximately .42 two seconds. Unfortunately I did not know that the track rules mandate a .5 second reaction time as a perfect launch. By reacting quicker than .5 seconds I was deemed to have red lighted. Next up: I plan to run the 1/4 mile somewhere (MIR perhaps?). Hopefully my bike will be in the low 12 or high 11 range. Anyone have any experience running the 1/4 mile on an F3? Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 23:28:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16829; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13907; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15221 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03471; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357A337B.8EC@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 23:30:19 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: Chuck & Zbig crash (Extra-Long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: "Bruce Norton" > Well, our morning did not start off well. After meeting at Leesburg Amoco. > Craig, Tom T., Zbig, John Kozyn, Rich & myself went up Rt 15 to Point of > Rocks where we met Tom G., Chuck & another (sorry, I'm bad w/ names). > Leaving Point of Rocks on Rt 28 we took a left on Pleasant View Road. After > about 2 miles we crossed a small bridge in a twisty section. Apparantly > Chuck (Virago) got wide & clipped the guard rail on the right side (left > hand twisty). Chuck appears to have a broken right leg & a severe laceration > to his right cheek. Zbig was following & seems to have hit Chuck's bike, > then flipped & broke his right shoulder or collar bone. Virago is totalled > (broken frame where brake pedal attaches, broken upper triple clamp) Zbig's > XX seems to have mostly cosmetic damage (both lowers, upper, both mirrors, > both exhaust canisters, Givi bag mounting, bike would roll but would not > start). Both riders were taken to Frederick Memorial Hospital. John Kozyn > went with them and i hope to hear more about there condition soon. Both > riders were concious & alert so I feel confident that broken bones are the > worst of it. > Everyone please ride safe! ======================================================================== > From: zbig@XXXXXX > Warning: left hand typist at the keyboard. > When I was leaving FMH, chuck was already in other hospital. looks > like it more serious than it looked at beginning- multple broken bones > in leg. I am really sorry for him. > his bike is a goner - front subframe in pieces; > I am home, stiff and in some pain. > 1- separated shoulder. > 2- minor bruises on right leg. no blood anywhere. > my bike - scratched canisters, broken right exhaust pipe; broken off > left mirror; badly scratched left fairing and bottom. Givi mount > broken givi bag broken. looks like fixer. > biggrdt damage to my ego. > What happend - on a blind right hander over hill Chuck went a tad wide; he > panicked on transition into left hander down into the small bridge, > and just drove into rail, bounced fro it and i was faced with > guardrail, chuck and moving into left bike. As a reselut i hit bike om > thr center of the road, flipped over. end of story. > lesson for me - stay further away from someone you do not know how > she/he is riding. ============================================================================ Gang, Well, I know y'all don't know Chuck, who is a friend of mine only since last month when we made a trip to Haiti together to visit our sister parish way up in the mountains there. The guy's 62 and he walked 3 1/2 hours up a pretty harsh 4500' mountain trail - no bike could have done it. Myself I rode a a mule - I'm no fool ;) Anyway, this was our first ride together and I still feel badly for maybe putting Chuck in a situation placing himself over his head. I don't know... I feel I bear a certain responsibility for not insisting he stay in back, but I also sensed maybe Zbig and Bruce wanted to hang back to ride tail position. I guess I erred in my judgement. Anyway, it was not a pretty sight, returning 2 minutes after not seeing lights behind me anymore. Zbig was sitting upright on the side of the road, CBR down and almost hanging over a ditch, looking a bit wan, but in good spirits given the situation. I ran over to Chuck who was struggling to take his helmet off. I cautioned him, but he said it was OK, and he was moving his neck, so off came the Shoei. Then I notic a nice chunk of his cheek hanging there with blood dripping pretty heavily so I grabbed my Honda- Spray-Polish towel (fairly clean ;) and told him to press it against his cheek. He said his right leg hurt pretty bad and was probably broken (No shit - read on) (Zbig's account should be accepted as record. Bro' I'm glad it wasn't worse for ya' !) I spoke with Chuck's girlfriend a little while ago. He was moved to Suburban Hospital in Bethesda. His leg has 4-5 fractures between the knee and the ankle. That's what hit the guard rail - Virago force behind the impact. He goes into surgery tomorrow at noon, should be at SH for a few and then some rehab. Elbow got stitched up and so did his cheek. Anne said his cheek looks OK now and that he was joking around - but also allowed that he was on morphine ;) - my response (completely inappropriate I know !) "Wow, that's one drug I haven't tried..." Hey what can I say? Laughter is the best medicine right ..? Anyway, Chuck is OK. He'll be fine. Like most of us in such a situation, he probably feels badly for spoiling the ride. I'd feel the same way. As has been said, ride safely people. (Ummm, Craig, Bruce, Rich, & The Three Toms - when are we going to do the reprise? I'm still up for it. Actually I want to go back to the site and fish Chuck's brake pedal out of the creek for a souvenir for him ;) Laytray gang, -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 23:30:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16848; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13955; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15253 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-110.s110.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23745; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357A09AF.F7CF97DD@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 23:31:59 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: F3 Drag Racing References: <199806070314.XAA19903@smtp3.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roy, I'm guessing the F3 should do mid 11's. I managed consistent 11.5s on my old GSXR and it weighs a ton more with not a lot more horsepower...now my 97....I'd be interested in taking it out for a try to...last time at MIR some guys said newer GSXRs were pulling low 10s!! More inspection of the racebike today revealed that I also dragged the left case guard on the ground last weekend....Looks like I'll be destroying the bodywork in SS class racing..... Roy D. Turner wrote: I plan to run the 1/4 mile somewhere (MIR perhaps?). Hopefully my bike > will be in the low 12 or high 11 range. Anyone have any experience running > the 1/4 mile on an F3? Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Roy > D. Turner, Esq. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 01:04:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17718; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15500; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16124 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA00529; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:02:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:02:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash (Extra-Long) In-Reply-To: <357A337B.8EC@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A speedy and complete recovery to Zbig and Chuck. Let's be sure this counts for something and all learn a lesson. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 01:09:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17773; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15544; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16164 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr42-dialup18.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EU6004BA0Z3UC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 05:09:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:06:35 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: F3 Drag Racing To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002c01bd914c$12a3ab20$524d37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Hey, Sun. at Capitol Raceway in Crofton, they are having an Import Car Shootout. I know it's car's, but I've been to them before and people run bikes there too. Your F3(in stock form) should be able to run mid to high 11's from what I've seen. I was planning on going, but not sure. Probably spend the day "tinkering" on the old rat bike. Jon Schumer fzr 600 -----Original Message----- From: Roy D. Turner To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 3:23 AM Subject: F3 Drag Racing >I ran my 96 F3 at Summerduck Raceway today. My best run was a 8.3268 at >88.4853 mph. I never got out of third gear!!. (The fact that the track is >only 1/8th mile long explains this). I won my first heat race, but in the >second round I lost because my reaction time was too quick. I got off the >line in approximately .42 two seconds. Unfortunately I did not know that >the track rules mandate a .5 second reaction time as a perfect launch. By >reacting quicker than .5 seconds I was deemed to have red lighted. Next >up: I plan to run the 1/4 mile somewhere (MIR perhaps?). Hopefully my bike >will be in the low 12 or high 11 range. Anyone have any experience running >the 1/4 mile on an F3? Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Roy >D. Turner, Esq. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 01:39:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17939; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15906; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16421 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr42-dialup18.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EU6000972BZPF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 05:38:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:37:41 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <004301bd9150$481e5300$524d37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Man, you guys know the rules about approaching blind corners, but I'm sure I don't have to say any more on that. I know I am guilty of riding over my head sometimes and have so far gotten away with it unscathed(luckily). Following the rider in front of me too close, carrying a lot of speed through a corner I can't see the exit of, etc. etc. I almost bit it on the way up to Skyline Dr. a few weeks ago when I took a blind left hand corner pretty fast and decided to keep my line in the middle of the lane when a full size pickup came rolling through the inside. Had to drift wide to avoid the pickup and almost ended up running into the grass of someone's front yard. Linda T. was witness to my bad line choice and almost disaster. I know that Zbig is a fast, smooth rider. I've been behind him through Skyline Dr. and know that he is more skilled than I am. I can't help but put myself in his situation and think "what if that was me". I know that I'm not the only one who will be riding a lot more careful from now on. I hope Chuck and Zbig recover fast. Jon Schumer fzr 600 -----Original Message----- From: zbig@XXXXXX To: Dawn & Jon Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. >Warning: left hand typist at the keyboard. > > >When I was leaving FMH, chuck was already in other hospital. looks >like it more serious than it looked at beginning- multple broken bones >in leg. I am really sorry for him. > >his bike is a goner - front subframe in pieces; > > >I am home, stiff and in some pain. > >1- separated shoulder. >2- minor bruises on right leg. no blood anywhere. > >my bike - scratched canisters, broken right exhaust pipe; broken off >left mirror; badly scratched left fairing and bottom. Givi mount >broken givi bag broken. looks like fixer. > >biggrdt damage to my ego. > > >What happend - on a blind right hander over hill Chuck went a tad wide; he >panicked on transition into left hander down into the small bridge, >and just drove into rail, bounced fro it and i was faced with >guardrail, chuck and moving into left bike. As a reselut i hit bike om >thr center of the road, flipped over. end of story. > > > >lesson for me - stay further away from someone you do not know how >she/he is riding. > >_zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 10:41:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20466; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18296; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19958 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23709 invoked from network); 7 Jun 1998 14:40:44 -0000 Received: from surf130.wch.adelphia.net (HELO gary) (24.48.14.130) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 1998 14:40:44 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01bd9222$3f51a2e0$820e3018@gary> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:40:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Wow, and I almost made the trip since I thought I needed to go by my office in Leesburg, but plans changed. Now I feel lucky. I hope both riders come out okay, and I hope insurance replaces/fixes their rides. If anyone on the list can help either of you track down new/used parts, let us know. Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR Judgement to AVOID the situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 14:10:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21934; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21876; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22015 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA22676 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199806071809.AA22676@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:10 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:10 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:07:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. To: tgimer@XXXXXX Cc: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3579F03B.7EED2CC@smart.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Exactly...yesterday during the Herndon Poker run...at checkpoint 2(?), we saw two ambulances go screaming by and the only thought that went through my mind was "Oh god, not again..please don't let it be one of us..." About 5 minutes later we took off as a group of 15 and sure enough about two miles down the road we found the ambulances on the side of the road and a badly damaged black and blue Nighthawk on the side of the road..seems one of the riders got sideswiped by a DEER!...knocked him clean off his bike..he seemed ok..but they were applying an arm long bandage to his right arm and one other fellow was writhing in pain holding his leg...the EMS guys said it looked worse than it really was but they were taking precautions anyway by bandaging them up. My god folks be careful out there...there seems to be ALOT more accidents lately and not ONE of them has been by, or caused by, a squid! -aki > I'll tell you what, the feeling in my stomach that comes when I'm riding _back_ > to locate riding buddies that are unaccounted for is not one I want to get used > to. It seems like this is happening too often of late. > > Like the Horkster said though, it could have been worse. You gotta look on the > bright side. > > > Dawn & Jon wrote: > > > Holy crap!!!!!! I hope everyone is gonna be ok. What horrible news. My > > sympathies to everyone involved. > > > > Jon Schumer > > -- > Tom Gimer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 14:14:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21966; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21903; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22037 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA22694 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:13:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199806071813.AA22694@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:13:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:13:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:13:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:11:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash (Extra-Long) To: mberman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..I'm just sincerely happy that no one was killed...I second the motion for a speedy and complete recovery for Zbig and Chuck and to their family and friends who'll also suffer through their recovery period... regards, -aki > A speedy and complete recovery to Zbig and Chuck. > > Let's be sure this counts for something and all learn a lesson. > > -Mb > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 15:27:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22559; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23537; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (known orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22846 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0yil5E-0008ALC; Sun, 7 Jun 98 12:26 PDT Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0yil4d-000G9aC; Sun, 7 Jun 98 12:25 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.12) id ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:26 PDT Message-ID: <357AE9C4.57969011@amdahl.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 15:28:04 -0400 From: Carl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: true@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First off congradulations goes out to your friend. The 750 Shadow is a very nice bike. My thought are that if it isn't out of her price range buy it new. You will get a warranty and not end up with a bunch of problems! There are quite a few honda dealers in the area. If you can't afford a new bike this bike has been around for quite a while there should be pleanty of them on the market. Check the pennysaver and other mags. The finer points of the bike is that it is a shaft drive, water cooled, v-twin, sportster look alike. Made by the best japanese manufaturer in Marysville, Oh. This bike is fairly reliable and with the 750 should have pleanty of power (assuming she is under 300 lbs). I'm starting to sound like a commercial. I have a couple of friends with this bike and my brother has one. They all have enjoyed the style and feel of this bike. Similarly styled bikes are very numerous. Almost every japanese manufacturer make a H-D look alike of one type or another. Then there is the original, the sportster comes in a 883 that is the exact bike the Shadow is designed after. There are some major differences though, the delux model has a belt drive instead of the shaft. I could make a case for either, both are better than a chain. The Sportster is air cooled instead of water cooled, this is lighter but is more suseptable to 100+ temps driving in town. I have a 91 that I bought used in 91. I have lowered it using the Hugger shocks so that my wife can ride it comfortably. I still ride it more than she does and love this bike. If it had the engine rubber mounted like my dresser it would be purfect... I'm not sure what the Shadow goes for new but the Sprotster 883 Deluxe goes for about $5000 - $7000 depending on the dealer. Have fun and ride safe! Carl B. 91 H-D Sportster Deluxe (Hugger) 94 H-D ElectraGlide Ultra Classic true@XXXXXX wrote: > A friend of mine just got her license, and went out shopping immediately > the other night for a bike. After looking around, she seems to have > settled on a Shadow 750 as her bike of choice. > > So, first of all, does anyone have, or know of someone who has, one of > these for sale? > > My personal feeling is that an older bike is better, but I don't even know > how long they've been made. Maybe someone can educate me on the finer > points and possible failings of this bike. > > Secondly, are there bikes you might recommend which are similarly styled? > Arguments for said bikes are also appreciated. And if you know of _those_ > for sale, feel free to throw that in, also. :) > > Thanks everyone, > > MET > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs > ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 19:15:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24225; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27750; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25315 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id TAA15698; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA04226; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:14:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.44]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980607231404.SEKQ11142@[166.41.111.44]>; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:14:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles , Dillon Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash (Extra-Long) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980607231404.SEKQ11142@[166.41.111.44]> John Kozyn wrote: >Anyway, this was our first ride together and I still feel badly for >maybe putting Chuck in a situation placing himself over his head. I >don't know... I feel I bear a certain responsibility for not insisting >he stay in back, but I also sensed maybe Zbig and Bruce wanted to hang >back to ride tail position. I guess I erred in my judgement. Relax John, There's nothing you could have done about it. After speaking w/you, Joanna T. and Tom M. I have a pretty clear picture what happened, but it still baffles me. Every now and then a person gets in over their head, sometimes as in this case w/bad results. I'm glad to hear Chuck is in good spirits. He should recover nicely. Zbig on the other hand will be taking a thrashing from his SO for awhile :) Please ride safe folks. I want to ride with ALL of you someday :) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 19:19:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24254; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27782; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25356 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id SAA03900; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:17:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA20548; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.111.79]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980607231753.QDAJ7401@XXXXXX>; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:17:53 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "HSTA" Subject: Problems with bionic tank bag Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bd926a$7e03aa40$4f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I've been trying to finish my setup for Taos and have run into a problem. I have created a custom tank bag to hold the following: radar detector CB with radar detector override and stereo input mini-disk player and amplifier Everything is designed for a 12 volt system except the mini-disk player which needs to run through a power converter. This is where the problem lies. I can't get any of the three different power converters I have to indicate that they are getting any power in. The CB/radar detector work fine. I checked the voltage using my handy-dandy digital multimeter from Radio Shack and the bike is putting out -12.58 volts while the car puts out 11.5 volts. What's with the positive/negative stuff. Is that the problem? I have a pretty standard power converter with lots of settings for various power outputs (1.5 3 4.5 6 etc) and lots of plug ends. The bike owner's manual just says it's a 12 volt system. Nothing about positive or negative ground. I plug the power converter into the car and a little indicator light comes on and it powers the mini-disk player. I plug into the bike and no indicator light and dead mini-disk player. And this test is with no other items plugged in. And another question, the power input for the md player says 4.5 volts dc, but it runs on 2 AA batteries that produce 3 volts (2x1.5). What's up with that? And I haven't even started thinking about the gps. I've always thought of electricity as magic and I have a tiny bit of knowledge (I think of it as a small spell), that I abuse at every opportunity. TIA LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (all a-tingly) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 19:50:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24375; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27918; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25682 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-127.s127.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.127]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03656; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357B26E8.DD9A77C6@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 19:48:56 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: Dc-Cycles , HSTA Subject: Re: Problems with bionic tank bag References: <001301bd926a$7e03aa40$4f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda, What kind of power connector are you using?? Is it a cigarette lighter type? If so,it's possible that you wired it backwards. Some of your accessories (i.e. cb/radar detector) may not be polarity sensitive but the converter you're using for the mini-disc player might be. try reversing the leads then try again.. if that don't work ??????? -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 21:03:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24767; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28363; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26298 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27893; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust022.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.22]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA12835 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:03:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980607210026.0069e884@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 21:00:26 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Problems with bionic tank bag Do you plug it into a cigarette lighter adapter (or something similar) It sounds like the one on the bike has the wires reversed. Since all the peripherals are in the bag, they're not actually grounded so the fuse won't blow to indicate that as a problem. Electricity isn't magic, it's water. Your's has the water coming out of the drain and up into the faucet. Most of your electricals don't mind rinning backward, the CD (or it's converter) won't accept that. Voltage is like water pressure; although your CD wants it flowing in the right direction, it can adjust for the wrong flow rate. Leon. At 19:17 7-06-98 -0400, you wrote: >I've been trying to finish my setup for Taos and have run into a problem. >I have created a custom tank bag to hold the following: >radar detector >CB with radar detector override and stereo input >mini-disk player and amplifier >Everything is designed for a 12 volt system except the mini-disk player >which needs to run through a power converter. This is where the problem >lies. I can't get any of the three different power converters I have to >indicate that they are getting any power in. The CB/radar detector work >fine. I checked the voltage using my handy-dandy digital multimeter from >Radio Shack and the bike is putting out -12.58 volts >while the car puts out 11.5 volts. What's with the positive/negative stuff. >Is that the problem? I have a pretty standard power converter with lots of >settings for various power outputs (1.5 3 4.5 6 etc) and lots of plug ends. >The bike owner's manual just says it's a 12 volt system. Nothing about >positive or negative ground. I plug the power converter into the car and a >little indicator light comes on and it powers the mini-disk player. I plug >into the bike and no indicator light and dead mini-disk player. And this >test is with no other items plugged in. > >And another question, the power input for the md player says 4.5 volts dc, >but it runs on 2 AA batteries that produce 3 volts (2x1.5). What's up with >that? > >And I haven't even started thinking about the gps. > >I've always thought of electricity as magic and I have a tiny bit of >knowledge (I think of it as a small spell), that I abuse at every >opportunity. > >TIA >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze (all a-tingly) > > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 22:52:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25973; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18210; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27909 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:48:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FW: vfr-digest V1 #1128 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 22:53:09 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Saw the following post on the VFR list and I was wondering if anyone >has ever seen a spec on ANY M/C which can better a 2.9 sec 0-60 time. > The only one I've ever heard of is the Boss Hoss but, it has a 5,700 >CC engine in it and I still have trouble believing it because of the >traction thing. When you have a square cross section car tire, you can get really good grip. Handling, OTOH... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 22:52:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25977; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18214; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27913 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:48:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 22:53:12 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Go mail order if you wish, but I think we can all reccommend some good local shops. I'll say Clinton Cycles, and then try to slog my way through three days worth of mail:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 04:19:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA28811; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA22338; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01349 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chuck & Zbig crash. Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:32:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Damn, sorry to hear about this accident. I was suited up and ready to go yesterday morning when my bike wouldn't start. I've come to the conclusion I might have a bad voltage regulator that keep eating my batteries. I'm averging a battery a year. Anyhow, hope everyone recovers OK. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Well, our morning did not start off well. After meeting at Leesburg Amoco. > Craig, Tom T., Zbig, John Kozyn, Rich & myself went up Rt 15 to Point of > Rocks where we met Tom G., Chuck & another (sorry, I'm bad w/ names). > Leaving Point of Rocks on Rt 28 we took a left on Pleasant View Road. > After > about 2 miles we crossed a small bridge in a twisty section. Apparantly > Chuck (Virago) got wide & clipped the guard rail on the right side (left > hand twisty). Chuck appears to have a broken right leg & a severe > laceration > to his right cheek. Zbig was following & seems to have hit Chuck's bike, > then flipped & broke his right shoulder or collar bone. Virago is totalled > (broken frame where brake pedal attaches, broken upper triple clamp) > Zbig's > XX seems to have mostly cosmetic damage (both lowers, upper, both mirrors, > both exhaust canisters, Givi bag mounting, bike would roll but would not > start). Both riders were taken to Frederick Memorial Hospital. John Kozyn > went with them and i hope to hear more about there condition soon. Both > riders were concious & alert so I feel confident that broken bones are the > worst of it. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 06:33:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29528; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23793; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02552 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:31:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Matt Elliott - DIGEX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:34:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Matt, I've only been there once and had a good experience. About 2 years ago they replaced my "faulty" speedo cable after receiving a speeding ticket. Cost of part and labor? $29.00. If I ever have anyone do work on my bike its going to be them. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Has anyone on the list had any experience with Manasass Honda? I'm going > to > get some basic maintenance done on the bike (mechanically challenged and > I'll > give my worst excuse ever - no time to do it myself) and I was going to go > to > this dealer. > > Are they honest/good to work with? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 06:47:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29595; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23865; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02651 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Dawn & Jon'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: F3 Drag Racing Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:48:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Am I missing something here? I thought the F3's ran in the high 10's stock form? I seem to recall like 10.7 or something. Hell, my old bike is supposed to do it in 12.79. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Hey, Sun. at Capitol Raceway in Crofton, they are having an Import Car > Shootout. I know it's car's, but I've been to them before and people run > bikes there too. Your F3(in stock form) should be able to run mid to high > 11's from what I've seen. I was planning on going, but not sure. > Probably > spend the day "tinkering" on the old rat bike. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 06:56:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29653; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23914; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02694 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:54:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: vfr-digest V1 #1128 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:57:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Yeah, there are several. The ZX-11 comes to mind. I think it does it in 2.6. I think most of the super bikes do it in under 3.0 seconds. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Saw the following post on the VFR list and I was wondering if anyone > has ever seen a spec on ANY M/C which can better a 2.9 sec 0-60 time. > The only one I've ever heard of is the Boss Hoss but, it has a 5,700 > CC engine in it and I still have trouble believing it because of the > traction thing. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:06:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00256; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24347; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03346 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:05:46 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.42]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980608120511.ISXC15374@rude>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:05:11 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980608080311.0069c604@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:03:11 -0400 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Dawn & Jon'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: F3 Drag Racing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Glenn-- No, somewhere in the 11s is it. The 97 (98?) ZX6R is the first 600 to go into the 10s. And this is all theoretical, since the magazine times are run by professionals (or at least well-practiced amateurs), usually relatively lightweight guys. The last couple of times I went to 75-80, I saw a ZX11 and a V-Max running low 12s-high 11s. And they both had slip-ons, if not more modifications. see ya Kevin At 06:48 AM 6/8/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Am I missing something here? I thought the F3's ran in the high 10's stock >form? I seem to recall like 10.7 or something. Hell, my old bike is >supposed to do it in 12.79. > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> Hey, Sun. at Capitol Raceway in Crofton, they are having an Import Car >> Shootout. I know it's car's, but I've been to them before and people run >> bikes there too. Your F3(in stock form) should be able to run mid to high >> 11's from what I've seen. I was planning on going, but not sure. >> Probably >> spend the day "tinkering" on the old rat bike. >> >> > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:32:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00537; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24497; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03640 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9793990284; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:30:49 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980608080024.0104a100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:00:24 -0400 To: "Dc-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: New Roadcrafter In-Reply-To: <000701bd90bd$498f7900$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:05 PM 6/5/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: >So, how long does it take before a new Roadcrafter starts too soften up? Mine took about a week - one trip to Daytona softened it up. >Would washing it make it any softer? Or just ruin the water >proofness? It shouldn't, but if it were mine, I probably wouldn't wash it yet (actually, that's probably not that big a deal. I wash my suit about twice a year, when I change my armor pads - summer/winter). Leon Begeman just got a new suit and he might be able to tell you more about break-in. > The instructions say it takes around 1k miles for it to loosen >up. So, I need to do a saddlesore? And the zippers at the wrist refuse to >stay closed. Am I just being picky? My waist zippers (that hold the top & bottoms together) have always worked their way loose. I just pull them tight every few times that I put the suit on. I've thought of tacking down the zipper pulls with a few turns of thread, but never quite got around to it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:32:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00541; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24500; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03644 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A97B3990284; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:30:51 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980608080933.0107c960@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:09:33 -0400 To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806062106.RAA05526@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <000c01bd90f1$7bc26f20$0b4937a6@0302104396168270> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:06 PM 6/6/98 -0400, zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >I am home, stiff and in some pain. > >1- separated shoulder. >2- minor bruises on right leg. no blood anywhere. > >my bike - scratched canisters, broken right exhaust pipe; broken off >left mirror; badly scratched left fairing and bottom. Givi mount >broken givi bag broken. looks like fixer. > >biggrdt damage to my ego. > >lesson for me - stay further away from someone you do not know how >she/he is riding. I'm really sorry to hear about the wrecks. Best wishes for a quick recovery. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:39:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00627; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24586; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03776 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22730; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D06D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Dawn & Jon'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: F3 Drag Racing Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:39:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Kevin, It must be the rider then...a stock ZX11 should run low 11's if not down to the high 10's. I saw Bergie Frazer blast his ZX11 (jet kit, muzz titanium pipe) down the 1/4 mile at MIR at 10.75 (or was it 65??). V-Max should be right there along with it. The new 6R is one potent mother. During track day, I chased around Brian Summers for a few laps, an it was pulling harder than a lot of other bikes with more displacement. > The last couple of times I went to 75-80, I > saw a ZX11 and a V-Max running low 12s-high 11s. And they both had > slip-ons, if not more modifications. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:44:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00681; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24657; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03824 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22944 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:55 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D06E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Crashes Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Best wishes for all the unfortunate victims. Just wanted to put out a notw one more time: CALL ME if you have a problem somewhere in the area and need a bike lift back to wherever. I'll do anything within my means to help out, free of charge (other than you have to listen to me jabber all the way home :)). I figure I may need the help someday, so what goes around comes around. My home number is (703) 356-4279, and work is (202) 366-0067. Anytime day or night. I believe Glenn has a similar standing offer, so write down his number too, and stick a note inside your jacket pocet, inside your tool kit, wherever, as long as you have it out and about with you on the bike. I hate hearing of people having crashes, then getting even more pain when the towing bill comes in. Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:57:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00778; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24798; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04053 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Front Row Seat for the Wreck Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From immediately behind Zbig and Chuck, it looked like they were both doing the best that could be done with a really screwy situation. I don't recall even going fast through the double curve area (a downhill right hander was followed almost immediately by a left-hander that went over a creek, leading to a straight uphill). Since I'm not sure I'd want to take the initial downhill right hander on a cruiser (or even a car for that matter) at any speed, I think Chuck was stuck with a near-impossible situation. Just to help matters along, the guard rail on the over-creek bridge was segmented, with an initial short piece that acted to narrow the path of travel, then a sufficient gap before the next segment such that the next segment could act like a hook. Had there been one long straight guard rail, instead of the segment, I have no doubt the Virago would have just bounced and skidded on the rail, staying out of the road, and Chuck would have been shaken, not stirred. Instead, it got hooked by the longer rail segment, ripping off the Virago's long back brake lever before Chuck's lower right leg took a much more concentrated impact on the end, instead of the side of, the guard rail. The next effect of the hook was that the Virago twisted sideways out into Zbig's path, instead of staying to the side and continuing forward. At that point Zbig, having thus far done a remarkable job of avoiding Chuck and Virago, had no choice but to hit the Virago, naturally taking a fairly ungraceful front flip (don't worry Zbig, the judges may have taken a few tenths off for clumsiness, but the degree of difficulty for doing it on a Blackbird will overcome that ;-) ). By the way, if you're ever in that area, carry a cell phone -- neither of the two nearest houses would answer the door / show any signs of life when I went trying to get an ambulance, and although some of them did show up later (supposedly offering help), I also heard them take the opportunity to moralize and make fun of idiot motorcyclists. Gawd, there's nothing more distasteful in human psychology than the after-the-fact moralizing, it's right up there with rubber-necking. You know, let this be a lesson on this or that, somebody just HAS to have been doing something listed as a sin somewhere, they just HAVE to have been, it can't be any other way. It's the blue-rinsed old grannies wagging the finger of wisdom. If there was a lesson to be learned (and from my front row seat, it's a mighty close call), I'm sure that those who should learn it, have. Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:58:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00783; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24804; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04075 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:57:32 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA15551 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199806081256.AA15551@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:36 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:36 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 8:54:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... To: cwb10@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, true@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357AE9C4.57969011@amdahl.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style of Shadow are your referring to? cheers, -aki > First off congradulations goes out to your friend. The 750 Shadow is a very > nice bike. My thought are that if it isn't out of her price range buy it new. > You will get a warranty and not end up with a bunch of problems! There are > quite a few honda dealers in the area. If you can't afford a new bike this > bike has been around for quite a while there should be pleanty of them on the > market. Check the pennysaver and other mags. The finer points of the bike is > that it is a shaft drive, water cooled, v-twin, sportster look alike. Made by > the best japanese manufaturer in Marysville, Oh. This bike is fairly reliable > and with the 750 should have pleanty of power (assuming she is under 300 lbs). > > I'm starting to sound like a commercial. I have a couple of friends with this > bike and my brother has one. They all have enjoyed the style and feel of this > bike. Similarly styled bikes are very numerous. Almost every japanese > manufacturer make a H-D look alike of one type or another. Then there is the > original, the sportster comes in a 883 that is the exact bike the Shadow is > designed after. There are some major differences though, the delux model has a > belt drive instead of the shaft. I could make a case for either, both are > better than a chain. The Sportster is air cooled instead of water cooled, this > is lighter but is more suseptable to 100+ temps driving in town. I have a 91 > that I bought used in 91. I have lowered it using the Hugger shocks so that my > wife can ride it comfortably. I still ride it more than she does and love this > bike. If it had the engine rubber mounted like my dresser it would be > purfect... > > I'm not sure what the Shadow goes for new but the Sprotster 883 Deluxe goes > for about $5000 - $7000 depending on the dealer. Have fun and ride safe! > > Carl B. > 91 H-D Sportster Deluxe (Hugger) > 94 H-D ElectraGlide Ultra Classic > > true@XXXXXX wrote: > > > A friend of mine just got her license, and went out shopping immediately > > the other night for a bike. After looking around, she seems to have > > settled on a Shadow 750 as her bike of choice. > > > > So, first of all, does anyone have, or know of someone who has, one of > > these for sale? > > > > My personal feeling is that an older bike is better, but I don't even know > > how long they've been made. Maybe someone can educate me on the finer > > points and possible failings of this bike. > > > > Secondly, are there bikes you might recommend which are similarly styled? > > Arguments for said bikes are also appreciated. And if you know of _those_ > > for sale, feel free to throw that in, also. :) > > > > Thanks everyone, > > > > MET > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > > Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > > Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs > > ======================================================================= > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 09:40:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01203; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25540; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04886 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01370 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05348 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081339.JAA05348@shell.clark.net> Subject: Capitol 1000 results To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:39:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I'm back from the Capitol 1000. Fortunately everyone seemed to have made it in one piece. I'll post some of the route information later (Base route was Hagerstown, MD to Annapolis, MD to Norfolk, VA to Danville, VA to Charleston, WV to Morganstown, WV to Hagerstown, MD) But I wanted to let you all know some of the results for your fellow DC-Cyclers. Although this was only my first time riding in a rally, I set myself a goal of being in the top 10. (There were 51 riders registered). I was very happy to be in 7th place. My ride was 1235.6 miles (according to the GPS). My average riding speed was 59.1 mph. I made it to the finish checkpoint with about 10 minutes to spare before my 24 hours were up. (Start getting a penalty of 2 pts per minute after 24 hrs) Fourth place (with a prize of a bottle of champaigne) went to Leon Begeman. He thought he wasn't going to make it to Hagerstown in time to avoid any late penaties, but when I caught up to him about 60 miles outside of Hagerstown, we started riding a little faster. Then we got passed by a bunch of guys who were going quite a bit faster. Leon took another look at his GPS and realized he could make it in time. We turned it up slightly (still not anywhere near insane levels) and both made it to the finish on time. Leon said that Dale did a great job as coach and GPS programmer. Can I hire you next year Dale? :-) [unless we can talk you into riding it yourself] I'd like to thank Leon for his encouragement and valuable bits and pieces of advice he gave me over the past few weeks. I'd also like to thank Tom Mersch who gave me (err... I mean loaned me) his Garmin III GPS and Street Atlas so I could do some advance thinking and planning. They both were helpful. You'll get your GPS back soon... probably. ;-) I'll do a more detailed write up of my ride later. Here's a preview.... Gas Station in Charleston, WV; Pumps open, but store locked. Rest rooms in the store. Pimple faced attendant won't let me in, no matter how much I dance the "I-gotta-pee" dance. Know the expression "Piss on you!" ?? Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 10:02:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01487; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25875; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05548 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA01424; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA28984; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:01:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608140113.XTKX20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:01:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Mersch, Tom" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Front Row Seat for the Wreck X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608140113.XTKX20960@[166.41.242.141]> Tom Mersch wrote: >Gawd, there's nothing more distasteful in human psychology than the >after-the-fact moralizing, it's right up there with rubber-necking. You I was watching "Trauma, life in the E.R." last evening on Discovery. A motorcyclists came in with fractures and all kinds of blood. One of the Dr.s commented to the camara, "How stupid can you be, riding a motorcycle in 40 degree weather in February? The guy was asking for trouble." (heavy sigh....) Did'nt hear any comments about the drunk woman who drove her car into a ravine and wound up with her head through the floor board! Now that's stupid! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 10:47:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01980; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26380; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06705 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA1309 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:39:49 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:44:55 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:47:12 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: FW: vfr-digest V1 #1128 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline December 1996 Cycle World "Bike vs. Car" article: Yamaha yzf 1000 r 0-60 in 2.6 sec. I'm sure others have gone faster, but it's not a real useful spec for bikes. Lotta superbikes are at 60 before redline in 1st gear (even my antique). Looping is the big problem; personally, I'd rather smoke the tire. Joe '86 Ninja 900 >>> "Carver, John" - 6/5/98 9:18 AM >>> Saw the following post on the VFR list and I was wondering if anyone has ever seen a spec on ANY M/C which can better a 2.9 sec 0-60 time. The only one I've ever heard of is the Boss Hoss but, it has a 5,700 CC engine in it and I still have trouble believing it because of the traction thing. John Carver '98 VFR ---------- From: owner-vfr-digest@XXXXXX[SMTP:owner-vfr-digest@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 1:26 PM To: vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: vfr-digest V1 #1128 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 9:45:10 EDT From: Bryan Ischo Subject: 0-60 in 1.3 secs??? X-Message-Number: 021 This is not really VFR related, but I have a quick question ... someone posted on the list about an article from Fortune magazine at http://www.pathfinder.com/fortune/pfortune/0608big.html which lists the Yamaha R1 0-60 time at 1.3 secs. Is this really true? If so, it would be one of the more amazing things I have ever heard. BTW, the VFR800 was chosen as the author's favorite "sportbike" out of the list of elite bikes used for the article ... and was listed at 2.9 secs 0-60. Thanks, Bryan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 10:56:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02086; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26706; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06944 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust001.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.1]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA30427 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:57:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980608105400.006a1f00@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:54:00 +0000 To: "'dc'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Crashes I hope you both heal quickly. Please add me to the list of people to call. In addition, I have a trailer with a 1 7/8" ball and a standard 4 wire connector. Even if I'm not available, the trailer usually is. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:11:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02267; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27119; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07300 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA1777 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:03:28 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:08:29 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:11:14 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX Subject: RE: F3 Drag Racing -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline In 1985, dragster ace Jay "Pee Wee" Gleason got sub-11s from every bike in a "Fastest Streetbike" shootout for now-defunct Cycle Guide. King of the quarter was the Suzi GS 1150 E with 10.43 @ 145.86mph. Joe 86 Ninja 900 (10.756 @ 151.25mph) >>> "Fagan, Collin LTJG" - 6/8/98 8:39 AM >>> Kevin, It must be the rider then...a stock ZX11 should run low 11's if not down to the high 10's. I saw Bergie Frazer blast his ZX11 (jet kit, muzz titanium pipe) down the 1/4 mile at MIR at 10.75 (or was it 65??). V-Max should be right there along with it. The new 6R is one potent mother. During track day, I chased around Brian Summers for a few laps, an it was pulling harder than a lot of other bikes with more displacement. > The last couple of times I went to 75-80, I > saw a ZX11 and a V-Max running low 12s-high 11s. And they both had > slip-ons, if not more modifications. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:18:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02348; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27252; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07536 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA1901 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:10:28 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:15:29 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:17:43 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Down Richmond way, it's Moto Europa. 'Specially for BMWs & Italians. Yes, they work on Asian bikes. Joe '86 Ninja 900 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:27:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02453; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27361; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07722 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 333; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:16 -0400 Message-ID: <357C02C8.92C0D40A@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:27:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Front Row Seat for the Wreck References: <19980608140113.XTKX20960@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > One > of the Dr.s commented to the camara, "How stupid can you be, riding > a motorcycle in 40 degree weather in February? The guy was asking > for trouble." -- Geez, I pray for 40 degree weather in February, so I can have a comfy ride to work for a change! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:27:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02461; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27367; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known [206.135.160.194] [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07726 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:21:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:25:24 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! There were 2 brand new '98 Yamaha R-1s for sale. Both owners only wanted approximately $2,000.00 over suggested retail for their bikes. Well, imagine that: price-gouging on Japanese sportbikes. There never seems to be a shortage of greedy, opportunistic, money-grubbing bastards out there who are more than willing to capitalize on the limited availability of a product by asking way too much money for it. Gee, Harley-Davidson owners and dealers have been price-gouging for years now. The only difference is that H-D bikes can't accelerate, brake, or handle like a real bike should. It's kind of funny that so many people are willing to overpay for the privilege of owning such motorized fashion statements. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:37:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02611; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27468; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07930 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust001.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.1]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA30809; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:10:34 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980608110724.0069bc48@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:07:24 +0000 To: Todd Peer , "Mersch, Tom" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Front Row Seat for the Wreck Cc: "'dc-cycles'" You gotta be kidding, 40? There must be a minus sign missing there somewhere. Leon. I hate cold weather. At 09:47 8-06-98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >I was watching "Trauma, life in the E.R." last evening on Discovery. >A motorcyclists came in with fractures and all kinds of blood. One >of the Dr.s commented to the camara, "How stupid can you be, riding >a motorcycle in 40 degree weather in February? The guy was asking >for trouble." > >(heavy sigh....) Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:50:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02761; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27914; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08265 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 202; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:49:59 -0400 Message-ID: <357C081B.3FA1F7AA@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:49:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 results References: <199806081339.JAA05348@shell.clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > I'm back from the Capitol 1000. Fortunately everyone seemed to have made > it in one piece. <> > I was very happy to be in 7th place. My ride was 1235.6 miles (according > to the GPS). My average riding speed was 59.1 mph. I made it to the > finish checkpoint with about 10 minutes to spare before my 24 hours were > up. -- Louis! Outstanding! I'm proud of both you and Leon, although I'm still not convinced that I actually helped Leon out much, I think he'd have kicked butt all by himself, I spent too much time figuring things out (but then again, I had all night! :) About the only useful thing I did was to warn Leon about how tight it was coming back from Danville to the final checkpoints and the finish. He'd have figured that out eventually. I wanted to come up for the awards banquet, it would have been cool to meet Mr. Mike Kneebone himself, but I had kid duty, and no cage this weekend. Oh well. I'm envious of you guys. I told Leon, I can think, or I can ride, but I don't like to do both at the same time. :) Staying clear-headed for 24 hours (or hell, 11 days for the IronButt) is something that is way beyond me. Congrats on a great finish! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:01:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02882; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28506; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08591 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081600.MAA08591@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXRYX; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:05:38 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:00:49 -0400 To: DC Cycles List From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] In-Reply-To: <3578326B.40AA49F6@tidalwave.net> References: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, I know everyone just can't wait to hear about my poker run filled weekend! :) Saturday - Herndon Police Poker Run Only myself and one other rider showed up at the Wendy's in Chantilly to meet up with Alan Wheat from NOVAMGR. I'm not sure if I ever got the other rider's name (I'm *really* bad on names), but he was riding a sharp looking '97 Katana. After having a marginal Wendy's breakfast we headed over to the Herndon Police Station and the start of the ride. We hung out for a while to see if any other NOVAMGR or dc-cycles folks showed up, but we didn't see anyone we recognized. Starbucks provided coffee, tea and a mountain of bagels for the participants. Should have skipped the Wendy's breakfast! :) At about 10:30 am we decided to strike out on our own. Since I was the only one with a tank bag I reluctantly volunteered to be the leader. "Reluctantly" only because I know I tend to ride on the slow side, especially on bumpy twisty backroads. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that the roads on the route were *excellent* -- 55 mph speed limits on most, no traffic, good pavement, good visibility, plenty of 25 mph turns, etc... I was able to keep up a brisk pace and and also enjoy the scenery (horse farms, country estates, rolling hills). It was also fun to follow the route sheet, not knowing where we would wind up. When we reached the first stop there was a bonus for the guys -- Hooter's had chosen that gas station for a stop on their poker run as well. It was causing a bit of confusion (& drooling), but we were able to get our 2nd card and head on to the next check point. At one point we slowed down through a small town, and large group of cruisers caught up with us. After being a "reluctant leader" I looked in my mirrors to see at least 25-30 bikes following me.. talk about pressure! :) We pulled away from the cruisers but saw them a few minutes later when we discovered an error in the directions. Supposed to turn left, but looking to the left revealed a crummy dirt and gravel road. Looking to the right revealed nice pavement and a double yellow line... made an executive decision and headed right. I figured we could always turn around, but it turned out to be the correct choice. I think the cruiser group opted to check up the road a little further and we didn't see them again until the next check point. The guy handling the cards at that checkpoint had been taking a lot of heat over the error in the directions but was good natured about it. He was quite interested in motorcycles, and I think we talked him into taking the MSF class. Another convert! Not too much excitement for the next two check points, just nice backroads, and a beautiful day. We got back to the Herndon Police Station at about 2:30 pm. I had a really crummy hand (not even a lousy pair) and passed on the 50/50 drawing (not much of a gambler!). There were trophies for the top two rider hands, the top two passenger hands and the group with the most riders. There was some yummy burgers and hotdogs courtesy of Lonestar Steakhouse, although the food was a little on the well-done side. At 3:00 pm they started drawing for the door prizes -- everything from Fraternal Order of Police polo shirts to a free rental car for a weekend. Unfortunately, no one in our little group won anything... but we had a great time nonetheless. I'm definitely going to participate next year! And, I'm going to spend some time with a map to figure out the best way to hit those roads again. Stay tuned for even more poker run fun... Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:02:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02941; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28603; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08696 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA28607; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA21047; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608160203.RSWK7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:02:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: David Wakefield CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608160203.RSWK7401@[166.41.242.141]> >There were 2 brand new '98 Yamaha R-1s for sale. Both owners only >wanted approximately $2,000.00 over suggested retail for their bikes. > >Well, imagine that: price-gouging on Japanese sportbikes. There never >seems to be a shortage of greedy, opportunistic, money-grubbing >bastards out there who are more than willing to capitalize on the limited >availability of a product by asking way too much money for it. > >Gee, Harley-Davidson owners and dealers have been price-gouging for >years now. The only difference is that H-D bikes can't accelerate, brake, >or handle like a real bike should. It's kind of funny that so many people >are willing to overpay for the privilege of owning such motorized fashion >statements. It's all supply and demand, and the invisible hand of the marketplace where competition is sucked through a vacuum. My prediction: The people selling the R-1s 'might' get what they want. If there are at least two people out there (or one) who can't control their need for the bike, then the market will be served. However, the R-1 is the new target to shoot for and it will be sold in dealerships again soon with second run production. So maybe the greedy guys will get stuck with a pretty damn cool bike. As for HD (the company), unless they stop all the corporate BS, there days are numbered. The loyal HD riders aren't buying new, and the poseurs will soon find a new fad to be cool with. Not only that, the new Polaris and the soon to be new (old) Excelsiar Henderson are now, will be, direct American market competition. The price will be what the market will bear. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:09:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03011; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29011; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08842 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA03397 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199806081609.AA03397@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:06:55 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax To: Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ops sorry..still catching up on my email... yes tis true..they give the test in Spanish...not only THAT, but if one can't read...they'll assign a proctor for you... not THAT'S scary! What happens when the illiterate person comes to a sign they can't read? Are they supposed to have the proctor with them whenever they drive? 8-P Worse yet is the exemptions you can get from your doctor to exempt you from the vision exam...so..as I've seen in the past,a person is IS LEGALLY BLIND..can get an exemption and then get their license! be afraid, be very afraid out there folks! -aki > Very true Linda, I seem to recall that DMV gives the drivers test in > Spanish. For the ex-DMV'er, is this true? If it is that is a scary > thought. Sure you can remember the normal sigh but how about those > programmable signs? > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > I can give a chilling fact. I took the VA Driver's improvement course a > > few > > weeks ago in a feeble attempt to mitigate an upcoming ticket. The woman > > next to me finally admitted at the end of the day that she couldn't take > > the > > final test because she couldn't read english. She's out there driving. > > > > Watch out. > > > > LindaT. > > 95 F3 Purple Haze > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., asked: > > > > > > I don't > > know why people just don't read the damn signs. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:17:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03225; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29304; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09189 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA07071; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA13407; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608161700.YWCJ20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:17:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: "Mersch, Tom" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Front Row Seat for the Wreck X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608161700.YWCJ20960@[166.41.242.141]> You gotta be kidding, 40? There must be a minus sign missing there somewhere. Leon. I hate cold weather. No I'm not kidding. What made it bad was that moralizing tone the guy took. I don't really think he cared that it was 40 degrees out. I think he just had strong opinions about motorcycles and used the wx as a prop for his opinion. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:33:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03419; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29624; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09713 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:32:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:35:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Funny you mention that. I have a friend on mine who is legally blind and has a drivers license. He once rear-ended a trash truck because he didn't see it in broad daylight! Is that scary or what? Personally, I think he has no business having a drivers license. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Worse yet is the exemptions you can get from your doctor to exempt > you from the vision exam...so..as I've seen in the past,a person > is IS LEGALLY BLIND..can get an exemption and then get their license! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:37:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03468; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29673; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09830 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:36:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Reprise Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:36:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route modifications as desired ;-) Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:48:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03595; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29824; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10226 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Reprise Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:49:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Agreed, since I wasn't able to make the first attempt. I can't go Sunday (14) because I'll be at the advanced MSF course. BTW, had a guy in a pickup truck assist my buddy Bill and I yesterday while riding out towards Leesburg on route 7. Some numbnuts cut in between us and then nearly clipped the back of my bike. The guy in the pickup saw what happened jumped in front of this guys and slammed on his brakes. I gave him a wave of thank you as we went by. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route > modifications as desired ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:59:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03770; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00338; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10571 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081659.MAA10571@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXR5B; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:51 -0400 X-Sender: anita@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:59:04 -0400 To: DC Cycles List From: Anita Lauro Subject: Poker Run Weekend [Part II] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The fun continues! Sunday - Virago Owner's Club (Woodbridge Chapter) Poker Run This ride turned out to be completely different from the Herndon Police Poker Run. Alan Wheat (NOVAMGR) warned me that I might not even know I was on a Poker Run, and he was right! :) I started out from Sterling at about 7 a.m. with my neighbor who has a Virago 920. We met up with some friends of his (two married couples on two big Harleys) and headed down to the Shoney's in Woodbridge. When we arrived at Shoney's there were already quite a few bikes and riders there. Although it was a ride sponsored by a Virago owner's club, there were way more Harleys than Virago's. Since lunch was to be a seafood buffet we skipped breakfast. Ursulina Viteri showed up a few minutes later, having ridden down from Oakton to join us. The ride was to head out to Colonial Beach, a distance of 62 miles, with a stopover at a motorcycle dealership in Fredericksburg. A total of 29 bikes participated, with quite a few people riding two up. My Nighthawk was the closest thing to a sport bike I saw on this ride (except at the motorcycle dealership), and Ursulina fit in quite well with her mini-cruiser. As you might well imagine, it was pretty noisy when all those bikes started up! We headed out down Route 1 at a leisurely pace.. very leisurely. I think speeds were at or slightly below posted speed limits. The good thing was that since the roads were mostly four lanes, and we were going slower than the automobile traffic, the group stayed together pretty well. It was fun.. sort of like riding in a parade! We definitely attracted a lot of attention. This was also the first group ride I've been on that had chase cars and a "videographer." There was a Mustang with open t-tops that followed along, and a guy with a video camera hung out the window filming us! There was also plenty of picture taking at the stops. We arrived at the restaurant at about 11:30 am and went inside to our section of the restaurant. The lunch buffet started at around 12:30 pm, and everyone hung out at the restaurant until well after 3 pm. This event was really about socializing rather than riding, but Ursulina and I had a great time. It was a blast to hang out with such a colorful group ("real" Harley Bikers as Ursulina put it)! Everyone seemed to be great friends, and there was a lot of joking going on. The highlights... Ursulina was definitely my good luck charm! After not even getting a pair the day before I drew a great hand -- a full house, jacks over fives - didn't even have to buy any extra cards. Unlike a "real" poker run, we just drew five cards at the restaurant. The funny thing is that I don't play poker, so as they were reading off the 3rd and 2nd place winners, I wasn't sure if they beat my hand or not! Luck was with me, and my hand won -- no trophy this time, but $60! I broke even for the weekend, which was great! There were quite a few "interesting" door prizes... Ursulina won a chapter membership in the Virago Owner's Club, but was bummed she didn't win the free tattoo (not sure if they were serious when they said that was one of the prizes!)! I won an NRA hat (not sure what that has to with motorcycles though!), and now I'm thinking of getting a gun rack for my pickup truck! :) Other door prizes were motorcycle gloves, sunglasses, t-shirts, etc. No trophies that I noticed. The buffet was okay, although I wouldn't recommend that anyone make a trip to Colonial Beach just for that! The waitresses were *very* patient with our noisy group, though. The group split up to ride back home, and Ursulina came along with myself, my neighbor, and one couple on a big Harley. We dodged rain drops on the way back, but made good time. I got back home about 6:30 pm, and took my SO out to dinner with my poker winnings! :) Thanks to NOVAMGR for publishing the info on this ride, and to the Virago Owner's Club for putting together a fun afternoon! Not sure if I'll participate next year, but definitely had a good time. Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 PS - We saw our ex-dc-cycles listmember Squeakers there, but we opted not to go up and introduce ourselves! She was wearing her "helmet" with the horns on it, though! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:03:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03814; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00504; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10678 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 ([166.55.240.42]) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EU8001B4SO5ZP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:02:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 01:01:44 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Crashes To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <003901bd9279$022ddc60$2af037a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 I have the same standing. If you need help anywhere near Baltimore, Laurel, Annapolis, area you can call me anytime. (410) 799-5888 I have a pickup and tie downs. ===================== Jon Schumer 92 FZR 600 dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ# 11193913 ===================== -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'dc' Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Crashes >Best wishes for all the unfortunate victims. > >Just wanted to put out a notw one more time: > >CALL ME if you have a problem somewhere in the area and need a bike lift >back to wherever. I'll do anything within my means to help out, free of >charge (other than you have to listen to me jabber all the way home :)). I >figure I may need the help someday, so what goes around comes around. > >My home number is (703) 356-4279, and work is (202) 366-0067. Anytime day >or night. > >I believe Glenn has a similar standing offer, so write down his number too, >and stick a note inside your jacket pocet, inside your tool kit, wherever, >as long as you have it out and about with you on the bike. I hate hearing >of people having crashes, then getting even more pain when the towing bill >comes in. > >Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:17:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04004; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00769; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11047 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA25110; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA07095; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608171703.ZGEQ20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608171703.ZGEQ20960@[166.41.242.141]> Anita Lauro posted: >Well, I know everyone just can't wait to hear about my poker run filled >weekend! :) > >Saturday - Herndon Police Poker Run > >Only myself and one other rider showed up at the Wendy's in Chantilly to >meet up with Alan Wheat from NOVAMGR. I'm not sure if I ever got the other > I reluctantly volunteered to be the leader. >"Reluctantly" only because I know I tend to ride on the slow side, >especially on bumpy twisty backroads. I was pleasantly surprised to find >out that the roads on the route were *excellent* -- 55 mph speed limits on >most, no traffic, good pavement, good visibility, plenty of 25 mph turns, >etc... I was able to keep up a brisk pace and and also enjoy the scenery >(horse farms, country estates, rolling hills). It was also fun to follow >the route sheet, not knowing where we would wind up. You never forget your first time......:) >When we reached the first stop there was a bonus for the guys -- Hooter's >had chosen that gas station for a stop on their poker run as well. It was >causing a bit of confusion (& drooling), but we were able to get our 2nd >card and head on to the next check point. At one point we slowed down >through a small town, and large group of cruisers caught up with us. After >being a "reluctant leader" I looked in my mirrors to see at least 25-30 >bikes following me.. talk about pressure! :) ...Indeed! >There was some yummy burgers and hotdogs courtesy of Lonestar >Steakhouse, although the food was a little on the well-done side. At 3:00 >pm they started drawing for the door prizes -- everything from Fraternal >Order of Police polo shirts to a free rental car for a weekend. >Unfortunately, no one in our little group won anything... but we had a >great time nonetheless. I'm definitely going to participate next year! >And, I'm going to spend some time with a map to figure out the best way to >hit those roads again. I think I might check this one out as well. PARR simply hands over a ride sheet. You guys got breakfast and a sort of lunch provided! Good write up Anita. Waiting for #2 Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:18:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04014; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00782; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11060 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA23943 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reprise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > BTW, had a guy in a pickup truck assist my buddy Bill and I yesterday while > riding out towards Leesburg on route 7. Some numbnuts cut in between us and > then nearly clipped the back of my bike. The guy in the pickup saw what > happened jumped in front of this guys and slammed on his brakes. I gave him > a wave of thank you as we went by. If I happen to see somebody 'harrassing' a bike while I'm in my car I'll go so far as to run them off the road (off the road is what my truck is for anyway...). If a red Dodge Raider slips in behind you while another car is tailgaiting don't be suprised if it's me... Sure, sure, road rage, guns, and all that. I just get pissed when I see someone screwing with a bike. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:20:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04031; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00818; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11104 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA26391; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:19:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA01973; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:19:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608171952.ZGQI20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:19:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'Mersch, Tom'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Reprise X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608171952.ZGQI20960@[166.41.242.141]> BTW, had a guy in a pickup truck assist my buddy Bill and I yesterday while riding out towards Leesburg on route 7. Some numbnuts cut in between us and then nearly clipped the back of my bike. The guy in the pickup saw what happened jumped in front of this guys and slammed on his brakes. I gave him a wave of thank you as we went by. Can you say, "Combat Touring"? Now you just need the boots. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:41:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04336; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01301; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11723 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yj5ud-0000TG-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:40:51 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D74674D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Cc: "'Mersch, Tom'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Reprise Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:40:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain That's awesome. Remember last week or the week before when we had that tremendous downpour with hail & everything? Tom & I saw a guy out there in that (on 66) on a sportbike. I was very happy I chose to leave my bike at home that night. We pulled up behind a ways him & stayed behind him so no one would rear-end him. His lights were barely visible in the downpour & I don't think I would'nt have been able to live with myself if I had to watch him get squished. I'm glad we were able to help him out just a bit... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 08, 1998 1:14 PM > To: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN > Cc: 'Mersch, Tom'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Reprise > > > > BTW, had a guy in a pickup truck assist my buddy Bill and I yesterday > while > riding out towards Leesburg on route 7. Some numbnuts cut in between > us and > then nearly clipped the back of my bike. The guy in the pickup saw > what > happened jumped in front of this guys and slammed on his brakes. I > gave him > a wave of thank you as we went by. > > > Can you say, "Combat Touring"? Now you just need the boots. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:53:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04555; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01474; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12097 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A4C0265C012E; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:52:03 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980608132053.01090100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:20:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 results In-Reply-To: <199806081339.JAA05348@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:39 AM 6/8/98 -0400, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >I'm back from the Capitol 1000. Fortunately everyone seemed to have made >it in one piece. ... >I was very happy to be in 7th place. My ride was 1235.6 miles (according >to the GPS). My average riding speed was 59.1 mph. I made it to the >finish checkpoint with about 10 minutes to spare before my 24 hours were >up. (Start getting a penalty of 2 pts per minute after 24 hrs) > >Fourth place (with a prize of a bottle of champaigne) went to Leon >Begeman. CONGRATULATIONS! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:56:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04641; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01504; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12165 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081755.NAA12165@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXR60; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:00:41 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:55:53 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] Cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <19980608171703.ZGEQ20960@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:09 PM 6/8/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > I think I might check this one out as well. PARR simply hands > over a ride sheet. You guys got breakfast and a sort of lunch > provided! We also got a soda, coleslaw, and baked beans with our burgers and dogs so it was a pretty decent lunch. Well-done is my preference anyway! :) > Good write up Anita. Waiting for #2 Thanks for the complement, Todd! I always enjoy reading your ride reports... you're the master! :) Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 14:11:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04917; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01695; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12566 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA16406; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA23158; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:10:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.111.79]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608181027.SMCW7401@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:10:27 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "HSTA" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Bionic Tank bag problems Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:10:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bd9308$b026dbc0$4f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Thanks to everyone who sent answers and suggestions to my previous post. It may be that I have some reversed wires. I have two John Deere plugs (female) on the bike and the terminals are not marked. There is a terminal in the center and one on the side 90 degrees to the other. Upon inspection, I decided that the center plug was the hot (red/positive) terminal and the other was the ground. Same thing for the male plugs - I wired the hot to the center plug and the ground to the other. Not true?? TIA LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 14:22:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05056; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01888; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12921 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:22:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLGVa05135 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d3cb088.357c2bb8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:21:42 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-06-05 14:15:38 EDT, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX writes: << My frustration didn't necessarily stem from price(s). It's the attitude of the shop.>> I'm not that fond of Coleman's either but have to relate a recent experience. I bought a second helmet lock from the junkyard and needed a key cut. The guy at the parts counter at Coleman said it shouldn't be a problem but to ask in the service department. The service department was useless though. Apparently the manager was out and nobody else had the ability to cut a key. The kid wanted me to leave the lock and pick it up in a couple of days. I thought this was ridiculous since if I had to come back anyway I might as well take the lock with me. On my way out I told the guy I had spoken to at the parts counter what happened in the service department. He said he had forgotten that the service manager was out that day. He then offered try cutting the key himself. He said he had a little experience cutting keys. He also said it would take a while. When I asked about the cost he said $15. I was shocked but he said he would, "See what he could do about it." Anyhow, I waited around for a while. It probably took him 10 or 20 minutes to cut the key. The key worked fine and I asked him how much I owed. He said not to worry about it. In this case the service department let me down but the guy at the parts counter really picked up the slack to keep me happy. I know some of you have had bad experiences at Coleman but in this instance at least I was well served and wanted to give credit where due. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 14:29:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05182; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02160; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13119 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 272; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:29:25 -0400 Message-ID: <357C2D64.AD90761B@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:28:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] References: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> <199806081600.MAA08591@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > Well, I know everyone just can't wait to hear about my poker run filled > weekend! :) > > Saturday - Herndon Police Poker Run I went to this last year, and had a great time. The roads were simply put - wonderful. Nice twisties, great scenery, etc. etc. Route sheets were well planned. I wanted to do it again this year, but kid duty beckoned (well, that and getting some sleep from plotting out Leon's course the night before :) > At about 10:30 am we decided to strike out on our own. Since I was the > only one with a tank bag I reluctantly volunteered to be the leader. Duct tape works in a pinch, too. But then again, it always does... > "Reluctantly" only because I know I tend to ride on the slow side, > especially on bumpy twisty backroads. I was pleasantly surprised to find > out that the roads on the route were *excellent* -- 55 mph speed limits on > most, no traffic, good pavement, good visibility, plenty of 25 mph turns, > etc... I was able to keep up a brisk pace and and also enjoy the scenery toldyaso, toldyaso! :) Glad they haven't slacked off from last year. > And, I'm going to spend some time with a map to figure out > the best way to hit those roads again. Yeah, I've been meaning to run last year's route again sometime. :-) Glad you had a good time! Ride Safe! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 14:36:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05325; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02375; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13405 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29031 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:37:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03430 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081836.OAA03430@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Anita Lauro wrote: > > > > Well, I know everyone just can't wait to hear about my poker run filled > > weekend! :) > > > > Saturday - Herndon Police Poker Run > > I went to this last year, and had a great time. > The roads were simply put - wonderful. Nice twisties, > great scenery, etc. etc. Route sheets were well planned. > I wanted to do it again this year, but kid duty beckoned > (well, that and getting some sleep from plotting out Leon's > course the night before :) I did the ride last year too. (This was before I actually met Dale). The roads were nice. But the best part was winning a door prize of two tickets to see DC United. I gave them to two of my friends who just got engaged and were both soccer nuts. I'll see a game some other time. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 14:43:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05460; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02507; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13671 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15496; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:43:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports In-Reply-To: <4d3cb088.357c2bb8@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Heh. Before you get a key cut at Coleman Falls Church, you should try Allied Lock & Key, one block up Hillwood on the right. They do motorcycle keys, and while they might not have every exotic key blank that Japan ever invented, it's definitely worth a shot. They're much less expensive. -ph ... > I'm not that fond of Coleman's either but have to relate a recent experience. > I bought a second helmet lock from the junkyard and needed a key cut. [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 15:03:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05905; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02796; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14842 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:02:56 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJDQa29509; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <422948dd.357c3525@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:01:55 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Balt-cycles@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Real Person's View of the TL1000R Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Well, first, let me say this, I set my alarm for 6:30 this morning thinking I would hit the snooze button a couple of times till I went to go pick up my bike, but after it went off the first time, I was so excited, I couldnt go back to sleep. It was a long 3.5 hours till 10am. Anyway, at about 11am, I got on the road. First stop: My house, To unload all the goodies that I got; New cover, disc-lock, and kryptonite chain. Also I dropped of the rear seat as the seat cowl takes its place on solo runs. After a few minutes got back on, and headed towards annapolis to show some friends who wanted to see it. Found out that on those brand new tires, going across the severn river bridge was a little sketchy. At first I just thought the bike didnt like wind, but I think its just the new tires. After Annapolis, I had to go back up to Glen Burnie to pick up some stuff from work. I havent seen a trunk this big since a lincoln towncar. I fit my cordless drill, roll of electrical tape, skewdriver, wire strippers, check book, wallet, keys, and my hat. Wow. On the way back, I cruised down ritchie hwy, I got passed the Earliegh Heights Fire Dept, went down the hill, and felt something hitting my butt. Uh oh, the rear seat cowl is loose *@#$(@*#!!!!! (I Thought) then 'SWOOP!!" it was gone. Not even 4 hours and 40 miles into it. I pulled over, cussed up a storm, then starting walking back to pick up what I was sure was a shattered mess. Well, luckily it wasnt. I got my hat out of the road, then got the cowl. scratched to hell though. So, I put it back on as best I could, it was missing the rear tab that secured it. Luckily, the dealership was 3 miles up on the right, so I stopped in, and they are getting me a new one from suzuki under warranty. Anyway, the bike is great, the breaks are alot tighter than my old cbr, and the tires and engine are still breaking in, other than that I have no complaints. Ive never had this many people try to tell me how nice my bike is at stop lights. Its amazing. Anyway, Im off through thursday, so if anyone wants to go for a ride, let me know. Sean G. Petr '98 TL1000R "Ride Free!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 15:04:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05926; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02806; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14902 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10669 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D072@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Key cutting Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:04:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of keys..... I'm looking at worst case scenario for the moment. I'm still in the process of scouring the house, but so far I have had no luck finding where I placed the key to my race bike at within our house. Kind of ironic that I was looking for it too go make a few spares...just in case... So my question is this: I don't have the original "key code" that comes when you purchase new, and I don't have a spare to make a new one from. Can the dealer or a locksmith go off of VIN number or something else to make a new one from??? I really don't want to have to cannibalize the ignition, but I'll do what's necessary since it's just a racebike...my biggest need for the key would be the gas cap...I really didn't wnat to have to hash that either. Any ideas??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 15:40:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06518; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03836; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01185 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:40:16 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8525661D.006ADB7F ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:27:10 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: cfagan@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525661D.0069D05E.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:27:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Key cutting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII You will probably have to remove the whole cylinder and take it to a locksmith. Without the original key code, the only way they can make a key is to do what they call "making an impression". What this means is; they take a blank key and insert it into the cylinder and turn the key just enough for the lock wafer to make an impression on the surface of the key. They then use a file to file away the area that the wafer made an impression in. They keep doing this until no more impressions are made. And when they have done this for all positions (usually 5 or 6) the key is supposed to work in the lock. Sometimes they get it perfect and the key will work fine. Other times it's less than perfect and the key will only open the lock when you jiggle it. In either case, once the key has been filed to completion, the locksmith will usually be able to examine the key and tell which cuts are supposed to be made. He can then make you the right key with a key cutting tool. Good luck Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 16:01:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06863; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05117; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.itmassociates.com (known [207.154.22.7] [207.154.22.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01962 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm04.itmassociates.com ([207.154.22.4]) by mail.itmassociates.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 8525661D.006DAD5A; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:57:58 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980608200012.00979ee0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: us004937@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:00:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: Re: Key cutting Yeah, Coleman told me it cost $45 to go off of the VIN. Other than that I was unable to find any other leads for less money. Good Luck Rob Space 86 VF500 At 03:04 PM 6/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >Speaking of keys..... >I'm looking at worst case scenario for the moment. I'm still in the process >of scouring the house, but so far I have had no luck finding where I placed >the key to my race bike at within our house. Kind of ironic that I was >looking for it too go make a few spares...just in case... > >So my question is this: >I don't have the original "key code" that comes when you purchase new, and I >don't have a spare to make a new one from. Can the dealer or a locksmith go >off of VIN number or something else to make a new one from??? I really >don't want to have to cannibalize the ignition, but I'll do what's necessary >since it's just a racebike...my biggest need for the key would be the gas >cap...I really didn't wnat to have to hash that either. Any ideas??? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 16:06:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06937; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05275; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02104 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806082006.QAA02104@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXSBK; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:11:19 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:06:31 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] Cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <357C2D64.AD90761B@tidalwave.net> References: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> <199806081600.MAA08591@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:28 PM 6/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >> And, I'm going to spend some time with a map to figure out >> the best way to hit those roads again. > >Yeah, I've been meaning to run last year's route again sometime. >:-) I'd love to tag along, or at least get a copy of the ride sheets... the folks that planned the route for Saturday definitely knew some great roads! :) And, almost all of them were new to me, although we did cross some familiar roads (like Snickersville Turnpike). Heck, I'm tempted to take off an afternoon from work this week to run the route again... it was only about 120 miles or so. Hmmm... I think I feel the flu coming on.... :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 16:09:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06960; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05369; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02200 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806082009.QAA02200@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXSBT; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:13:46 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:08:57 -0400 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199806081836.OAA03430@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:36 PM 6/8/98 -0400, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >I did the ride last year too. (This was before I actually met Dale). >The roads were nice. But the best part was winning a door prize of >two tickets to see DC United. I gave them to two of my friends who >just got engaged and were both soccer nuts. I'll see a game some other >time. I think they gave away soccer tickets this year also. I was starting to think it was a conspiracy as all the door prize ticket numbers near mine were called. Heck, even the guy who was in front of me won something! Oh well, at least my luck improved on Sunday! :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 16:18:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07081; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05998; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (known orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02425 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0yj8NE-0006tWC; Mon, 8 Jun 98 13:18 PDT Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0yj8Me-000GFXC; Mon, 8 Jun 98 13:17 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.12) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18 PDT Message-ID: <357C477C.A27356FC@amdahl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:20:12 -0400 From: Carl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... References: <199806081256.AA15551@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AE14800071A2B4B6D4277728" --------------AE14800071A2B4B6D4277728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! Carl aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > of Shadow are your referring to? > > cheers, > -aki > --------------AE14800071A2B4B6D4277728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time.
As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!!
Carl

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote:

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it?

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style
of Shadow are your referring to?

cheers,
-aki
 

  --------------AE14800071A2B4B6D4277728-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 16:52:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07500; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06621; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03200 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21392 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357C798B.13D7@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:53:47 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Update on Chuck Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys and Gals, I talked to Chuck's girlfriend today and here's the lowdown. He didn't go into surgery until midnight last night and was in ICU when I called this afternoon. Bone graft and one plate in knee since it was pretty much smashed; two plates in ankle, major cast for three months (!) She said he's in good spirits still (gotta be the morphine!) I'm gonna go see him tomorrow at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda. BTW, Can anyone provide me with the precise coordinates of the place his bike (and Zbig's) was taken to in Leesburg? TIA, JK -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 17:04:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07681; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06825; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known [206.135.160.194] [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03462 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:58:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:02:36 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: cwb10@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Alright, I'm going to have to correct you on a few things here. Honda's Shadows first came out in the early 80s, several years BEFORE popular culture decided H-Ds were "cool" in the mid-80s. No, not everyone wanted an H-D in the early 80s. (Remember when H-D almost went out of business!) Also, you could regularly find running mid-70s H-D examples in the classifieds for $2,500.00. Really, Harley-Davidson's were absolute junk in the late 70s and early 80s while under AMF ownership, and no one save the most die hard wanted to own one of those unreliable bags of bolts. The Shadow series was a welcome Japanese response. Imagine that: a Japanese cruiser style bike that would actually make it from point A to point B without breaking down and leaving you stranded. Harley-Davidsons just couldn't do that in the early 80s. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 17:04:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07697; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06840; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03485 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA29048; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:04:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA31165; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608210406.TOGA7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:04:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Carl CC: balt-cycles , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608210406.TOGA7401@[166.41.242.141]> Wait, wait wait. Didn't Harley and Willy G. just go with what was contemporary raked out chop style motorcycles? Isn't a Harley Davidson a reflection of an American Icon, the chopper? WW2 bikes aside, most Harley Davidson motorcycles appeal to what is considered American Classic. The Japanese have just copied a copy, and in some cases are better at marketing it. I'm not sure what you mean by the statement, "The Sportster is the original". Original what? Copy? The Daimler(sp) was the original. As for the Shadow looking like a Sportster and vice-verse, the similarities end with 2-wheels and a v-motor. As for the statement about the Japanese flooding the market, it just ain't so. I don't have exact statistics, but I'd say that more than 98% of the bikes imported to the country get sold for close to MSR. Harley holds back production because, thankfully, they've finally got some quality control and in fact there is more human attention to detail. The reason they hold their value is hype! If I got suckered into spending close to $18k for a motorcycle, you'd better believe I'd do anything to convince you that's what it's worth when I go to sell it. But then again, until I'm ridiculously rich, I won't be spending that kind of money on ANY vehicle. Todd Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! Carl aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > of Shadow are your referring to? > > cheers, > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 17:20:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07915; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07379; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.cmr.gov (known gw1.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03908 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw1.cmr.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04319 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco(140.162.3.172) by gw1.cmr.gov via smap (4.1) id xma004312; Mon, 8 Jun 98 17:22:28 -0400 Received: from [140.162.3.206] (chelseaIX.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.206]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18687 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:19:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <357C798B.13D7@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:24:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Update on Chuck >Bone graft and one plate in knee since it was pretty much smashed; two >plates in ankle, major cast for three months (!) She said he's in good >spirits still (gotta be the morphine!) Ouch ouch ouch... >I'm gonna go see him tomorrow at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda. give him our regards! >BTW, Can anyone provide me with the precise coordinates of the place his >bike (and Zbig's) was taken to in Leesburg? Talked to Zbig today... his bike made it to a shop someplace. Is apparently totaled. The Givi rack, which was broken off, was connected to the frame, that caused enough damage so that the frame will have to be replaced. Can't remember if he said the frame was broken or bent, however. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 17:52:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08282; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08122; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04571 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.195]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980608215123.MEWA14420@rude> for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:51:23 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980608174925.006a8dd4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:49:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: evel knievel online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, y'all Evel Knievel will be answering questions tonite at www.tripod.com Sorry, I didn't catch the time. WooHoo! I can't wait! :-P Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 17:53:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08301; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08145; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04640 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA6377 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:45:43 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:50:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:53:22 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: cwb10@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Friends, If you look at the first Sportster (1957) and today's, you will find more stylistic similarities than differences. The Sportster was never a "chopper" style bike; it was originally a performance bike meant to compete with Triumphs. It even shifted on the right to entice the Brit-biker. Today, now that it can no longer lay claim to being a hot rod, it's been re-positioned in our minds as a cruiser. The Shadow is, was, and always will be a stylistic attempt to offer what a Harley does. If that's copying, then lets suck it up and admit it. Of course the Honda's styling was never quite successful, so it changed every 2-3 years. The current "ACE" motif is probably the best effort. But guess what? It's the one that looks most like a Harley (i.e, Heritage Softail). It's hard for me to believe that anyone would be trying to decide between a Sportster and a Shadow. If you have $5000 and you want a Harley, buy a Sportster. If you don't like Harleys, but want a cruiser, buy a Shadow (or a Vulcan, or a Virago, etc.). Just don't pretend it's a Harley. And don't try to sell it for $5000 in five years. Joe Nagy Goochland Co, VA 2 old Harleys, 2 less-old Japanese sportbikes >>> Todd Peer - 6/8/98 5:00 PM >>> Wait, wait wait. Didn't Harley and Willy G. just go with what was contemporary raked out chop style motorcycles? Isn't a Harley Davidson a reflection of an American Icon, the chopper? WW2 bikes aside, most Harley Davidson motorcycles appeal to what is considered American Classic. The Japanese have just copied a copy, and in some cases are better at marketing it. I'm not sure what you mean by the statement, "The Sportster is the original". Original what? Copy? The Daimler(sp) was the original. As for the Shadow looking like a Sportster and vice-verse, the similarities end with 2-wheels and a v-motor. As for the statement about the Japanese flooding the market, it just ain't so. I don't have exact statistics, but I'd say that more than 98% of the bikes imported to the country get sold for close to MSR. Harley holds back production because, thankfully, they've finally got some quality control and in fact there is more human attention to detail. The reason they hold their value is hype! If I got suckered into spending close to $18k for a motorcycle, you'd better believe I'd do anything to convince you that's what it's worth when I go to sell it. But then again, until I'm ridiculously rich, I won't be spending that kind of money on ANY vehicle. Todd Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! Carl aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > of Shadow are your referring to? > > cheers, > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:09:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08683; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08611; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05085 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00784; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806082143.RAA00784@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Update on Chuck To: jckozyn@XXXXXX (John C. Kozyn) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357C798B.13D7@mnsinc.com> from "John C. Kozyn" at Jun 8, 98 04:53:47 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Hey DC Guys and Gals, > > I talked to Chuck's girlfriend today and here's the lowdown. He didn't > go into surgery until midnight last night and was in ICU when I called > this afternoon. > > Bone graft and one plate in knee since it was pretty much smashed; two > plates in ankle, major cast for three months (!) She said he's in good > spirits still (gotta be the morphine!) > > I'm gonna go see him tomorrow at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda. > wish him fast recovery. > BTW, Can anyone provide me with the precise coordinates of the place his > bike (and Zbig's) was taken to in Leesburg? > leesburg motosports, 777-1652; Catoction rd, 400 yards behind Dulles Jeep. Who paid for the towing ???? We will need to add it to insurance bills. I forgot that i have HCRC - as a new bike. Looks like my xx might be total as well - plastic is directly bolted to frame; this piece is broken away, so frame replacement is on the menu.... 4350 miles before total. It sucks. > TIA, > > JK _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:10:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08742; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08793; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05119 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client196-111-30.bellatlantic.net [151.196.111.30]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id SAA13781; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357C6006.7462C709@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:04:55 -0400 From: Andrew Lewis Reply-To: pellaz@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl CC: balt-cycles , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... References: <199806081256.AA15551@egate2.citicorp.com> <357C477C.A27356FC@amdahl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1B66783A89943C0C5FBEF22E" --------------1B66783A89943C0C5FBEF22E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks. I guess this is a delurk....I've been on the list for a few days now.... I ride a 1994 Shadow 600 (VT600CDR), and it's styling is a lot more along the lines of a Softtail than a Sportster....I do love my Shadow though....just passed 16,000 miles last week.... Andrew Lewis pellaz@XXXXXX shadow_ridr@XXXXXX ICQ# 12858975 Carl wrote: > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not > getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be > technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there > are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different > engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda > developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford > one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D > only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the > bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a > Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone > that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and > the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > Carl > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >> uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow >> has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ >> the >> first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? >> >> Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's >> between >> the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, >> but >> not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which >> style >> of Shadow are your referring to? >> >> cheers, >> -aki >> > > --------------1B66783A89943C0C5FBEF22E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks.  I guess this is a delurk....I've been on the list for a few days now....

I ride a 1994 Shadow 600 (VT600CDR), and it's styling is a lot more along the lines of a Softtail than a Sportster....I do love my Shadow though....just passed 16,000 miles last week....

Andrew Lewis
pellaz@XXXXXX
shadow_ridr@XXXXXX
ICQ# 12858975

Carl wrote:

 Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time.
As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!!
Carl

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote:

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it?

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style
of Shadow are your referring to?

cheers,
-aki
 

 
  --------------1B66783A89943C0C5FBEF22E-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:14:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08823; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09120; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05290 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p42dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.74]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06546 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:14:27 -0400 Message-ID: <357C62BC.19F0B112@smart.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:16:30 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Update on Chuck References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > Talked to Zbig today... his bike made it to a shop someplace. Is > apparently totaled. The Givi rack, which was broken off, was connected > to the frame, that caused enough damage so that the frame will have to be > replaced. Can't remember if he said the frame was broken or bent, however. > Wow. Those of us who saw the bike figured it would be repairable (and even if it is totalled by the insurance company, they'll still repair it and resell it). The frame looked a little tweaked, but being brand-new, was probably worth enough to repair. Zbig is probably happy if it is totalled.....always nice to get a new bike as opposed to a repaired bike. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:27:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08993; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10079; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05662 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p42dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.74]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06939; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:27:21 -0400 Message-ID: <357C65C4.DB508BE5@smart.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:29:24 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Update on Chuck References: <199806082143.RAA00784@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > Looks like my xx might be total as well - plastic is directly bolted > to frame; this piece is broken away, so frame replacement is on the > menu.... > > 4350 miles before total. It sucks. You really upset about the total? I would think you'd be happy to get new bike as opposed to a fixer. Just like cages, when bikes are repaired they're never quite the same. It's hard to completely trust a repair job. Anybody receive a citation from the police for the accident? Insurance rates to increase perhaps. Now _that_ sucks. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:42:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09120; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10988; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05919 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07441; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.64] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00232 for ; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:41:52 -0400 Message-ID: <003201bd932e$792839e0$4073c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Update on Chuck Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:40:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > >> BTW, Can anyone provide me with the precise coordinates of the place his >> bike (and Zbig's) was taken to in Leesburg? >> > >leesburg motosports, 777-1652; Catoction rd, 400 yards behind Dulles >Jeep. Craig, Tom T. & I live in Leesburg so if anybody needs a hand, just let me know. > > >Who paid for the towing ???? We will need to add it to insurance >bills. I forgot that i have HCRC - as a new bike. I think the dealer paid or wrote a purchase order for the towing. Craig, Tom T., Tom G. & myself followed the tow truck back to Leesburg & helped unload the bikes. > >Looks like my xx might be total as well - plastic is directly bolted >to frame; this piece is broken away, so frame replacement is on the >menu.... > >4350 miles before total. It sucks. Sorry to hear about that Z. Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:47:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09158; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11466; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06053 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07501; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.64] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00257 for ; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:48:01 -0400 Message-ID: <004701bd932f$54ab4b60$4073c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Reprise Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:46:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > >I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route >modifications as desired ;-) > >Tom M. > Craig, Tom T. & I did the planned ride on Sunday. What a blast! Approx. 175 miles. Rode back thru the scene of the incident, easy to see how you could get in trouble quickly. I'd be up for a replay. Craig? Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 19:43:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09665; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13592; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06766 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-27.dial.nova.org (pm2-27.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.251]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA01162 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:42:56 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) Cool Industry Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:43:46 GMT Message-ID: <358076fa.31883126@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This message came through the Hawk list and I thought it was interesting enough to forward on... Kirk On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:59:25 -0000, Les Bean wrote: >One of my customers was killed, in the last week, in motorcycle crash = on >public roads. Said customer had placed an order through our shop for a >Vanson suit. After his death, his suit order was cancelled, all money >refunded. > >In talking with Vanson, the family must have mentioned in passing that >someone--not sure whether it was family or the deceased, himself--wanted >the deceased buried in a leather race suit. > >Vanson next-day-aired a free suit to the family. > >This wasn't SPAM. Just me thinking it was cool for the industry to >remember the people it served. > >Robin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 19:43:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09672; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13618; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06785 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00891; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806082345.TAA00891@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Update on Chuck To: brown@XXXXXX (Dan Brown) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Dan Brown" at Jun 8, 98 05:24:44 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text 0 > apparently totaled. The Givi rack, which was broken off, was connected > to the frame, that caused enough damage so that the frame will have to be > replaced. Can't remember if he said the frame was broken or bent, however. > Umm.. the fairing mount broke away from frame, making frame replacement a must. Givi bag broke nicely, saving camera and pager; givi mount floor broke in half. Looks like bike landed on Givi... > > -- > Resist or Serve > > > i will try to make a few pictures.. :-) _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 19:51:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09787; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13717; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06895 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00916; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806082352.TAA00916@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Update on Chuck To: tgimer@XXXXXX (Thomas H. Gimer) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357C65C4.DB508BE5@smart.net> from "Thomas H. Gimer" at Jun 8, 98 06:29:24 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Looks like my xx might be total as well - plastic is directly bolted > > to frame; this piece is broken away, so frame replacement is on the > > menu.... > > > > 4350 miles before total. It sucks. > > You really upset about the total? I would think you'd be happy to get new not so much. > bike as opposed to a fixer. Just like cages, when bikes are repaired they're > never quite the same. It's hard to completely trust a repair job. > you are quit right. > Anybody receive a citation from the police for the accident? Insurance rates > to increase perhaps. Now _that_ sucks. > no citation. talked to cop, he said - jsut an accident. Happens. > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 20:02:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09895; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13872; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07030 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id TAA26664; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:02:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA14498; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.110.75]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980609000207.UDUT7401@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:02:07 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "HSTA" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Bionic Tank Problems Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002701bd9339$cf54c4e0$4f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Thanks to everyone who tried to help me with my pitiful electrical problems. It all stemmed from my wrongheaded belief that the marked wired of a pair is the ground. DUH! After I switched it around, everything started working as it should. Now I just have to solve the one new and one old electrical problem. Old: the left side flush mount front turn signal is crap. Touch it and things stop working. I'm just going to ignore it until after STAR. Then maybe order a new one. New: My MD Wright trunk kit stopped working after I got everything else operational. At least it failed with the seat off so I can see in there to try and fix it after the bike comes back from the shop for a valve adjustment. It's always something (Roseanne Rosannadanna). Thanks again. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 20:46:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10200; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14082; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07644 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08144; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.117]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 353; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:46:06 -0400 Message-ID: <357C3EFF.E4EF5201@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:43:59 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Norton CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Reprise References: <004701bd932f$54ab4b60$4073c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce Norton wrote: > > > >I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route > >modifications as desired ;-) > > > >Tom M. > > > > Craig, Tom T. & I did the planned ride on Sunday. What a blast! Approx. 175 > miles. Rode back thru the scene of the incident, easy to see how you could > get in trouble quickly. > > I'd be up for a replay. Craig? > yes i am ready wherever the tour may go.........but do i have to lead ???? not that i mind ......espically if we go on the ride we were originally going to do,the one we did sunday.. :~) > Bruce > Leesburg, VA > '98 VFR800 "Tronix" > '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 20:49:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10224; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14096; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07665 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p42dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.74]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11057; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:49:08 -0400 Message-ID: <357C86FD.2392F64B@smart.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:51:10 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Update on Chuck References: <199806082352.TAA00916@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You had asked how long before you can start using your arm, but I lost the message (somewhere between desktop and laptop).... My shoulder did not take long to heal (less than 1.5 months), but would have healed quicker if I didn't insist on using it before it was ready....follow the advice of your doctor for best results ;-D. Has Joanna calmed down any? My girlfriend is fired up as well. She has heard me talk about your riding skills and is now worried that even really good riders like yourself have bad experiences sometimes. Why the hell I did I decide to tell her about Chuck and you anyway? Oh well. zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Looks like my xx might be total as well - plastic is directly bolted > > > to frame; this piece is broken away, so frame replacement is on the > > > menu.... > > > > > > 4350 miles before total. It sucks. > > > > You really upset about the total? I would think you'd be happy to get new > > not so much. > > > bike as opposed to a fixer. Just like cages, when bikes are repaired they're > > never quite the same. It's hard to completely trust a repair job. > > > > you are quit right. > > > Anybody receive a citation from the police for the accident? Insurance rates > > to increase perhaps. Now _that_ sucks. > > > > no citation. talked to cop, he said - jsut an accident. Happens. > At least no ticket was issued. That's good news. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 21:50:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10769; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15256; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08429 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08378; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.106] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA00133 for ; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:50:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003501bd9348$cd9d2c00$6a73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Reprise Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:49:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > yes i am ready wherever the tour may go.........but do i have to lead ???? No, just the maryland part that I don't know. We could switch off & lead different sections. > >not that i mind ......espically if we go on the ride we were originally going >to do,the one we did sunday.. :~) I wouldn't mind the same ride. Would help me to get to know those roads better. Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 22:08:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10908; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15703; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08623 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr49-dialup39.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EU900E9LHWNFM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:07:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:06:50 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Real Person's View of the TL1000R To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <009601bd92c5$28b1de80$274f37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Sean wrote: > Im off through thursday, so if anyone >wants to go for a ride, let me know. Wanta ride Tues. or Thurs. night? I am free after 4pm. I really want to see your bike! Congratulations, I'm soooo jealous. Let me know ===================== Jon Schumer 92 FZR 600 dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ# 11193913 ===================== -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; Balt-cycles@XXXXXX ; LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 7:14 PM Subject: Real Person's View of the TL1000R >Well, first, let me say this, I set my alarm for 6:30 this morning thinking I >would hit the snooze button a couple of times till I went to go pick up my >bike, but after it went off the first time, I was so excited, I couldnt go >back to sleep. It was a long 3.5 hours till 10am. Anyway, at about 11am, I >got on the road. First stop: My house, To unload all the goodies that I got; >New cover, disc-lock, and kryptonite chain. Also I dropped of the rear seat as >the seat cowl takes its place on solo runs. After a few minutes got back on, >and headed towards annapolis to show some friends who wanted to see it. Found >out that on those brand new tires, going across the severn river bridge was a >little sketchy. At first I just thought the bike didnt like wind, but I think >its just the new tires. >After Annapolis, I had to go back up to Glen Burnie to pick up some stuff from >work. I havent seen a trunk this big since a lincoln towncar. I fit my >cordless drill, roll of electrical tape, skewdriver, wire strippers, check >book, wallet, keys, and my hat. Wow. >On the way back, I cruised down ritchie hwy, I got passed the Earliegh Heights >Fire Dept, went down the hill, and felt something hitting my butt. Uh oh, the >rear seat cowl is loose *@#$(@*#!!!!! (I Thought) then 'SWOOP!!" it was gone. >Not even 4 hours and 40 miles into it. I pulled over, cussed up a storm, then >starting walking back to pick up what I was sure was a shattered mess. Well, >luckily it wasnt. I got my hat out of the road, then got the cowl. scratched >to hell though. So, I put it back on as best I could, it was missing the rear >tab that secured it. Luckily, the dealership was 3 miles up on the right, so I >stopped in, and they are getting me a new one from suzuki under warranty. >Anyway, the bike is great, the breaks are alot tighter than my old cbr, and >the tires and engine are still breaking in, other than that I have no >complaints. Ive never had this many people try to tell me how nice my bike is >at stop lights. Its amazing. Anyway, Im off through thursday, so if anyone >wants to go for a ride, let me know. > >Sean G. Petr >'98 TL1000R >"Ride Free!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 22:52:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11469; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17380; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09202 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06858 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357CCDEE.7D5F@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:53:50 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Reprise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: "Bruce Norton" > Subject: Re: Reprise > >I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route > >modifications as desired ;-) > >Tom M. > Craig, Tom T. & I did the planned ride on Sunday. What a blast! Approx. 175 > miles. Rode back thru the scene of the incident, easy to see how you could > get in trouble quickly. > I'd be up for a replay. Craig? Craig?? Tom Mersch is willing. I am willing. Looks like Bruce is willing too. What say you? Saturday maybe? Maybe Glenn will have batt/reg problems worked out by then. Maybe Todd'll have his new tires scrubbed in a bit too. Looking forward to it. I'm not a superstitious sort so the same road/ride sheet will be fine with me. Later guys, JK -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 23:04:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11577; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18147; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09491 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.226]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980609030412.SMPT14420@rude> for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 03:04:12 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980608230215.00698dc0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:02:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ttfn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, y'all-- Demands of a job hunt, a part time job, impending relocation, etc, require that I spend less time in front of the computer. That, and my ex hasn't forked over the title to the VFR, so it sits in the garage covered, unlicensed. Yeah, I don't want to hear from the folks who told me it was dumb to have my MC in my SO's name. :-p I'll see some of you at the track sometimes, and maybe at the Guggenheim motorcycle exhibit opening soon, and I'll be back on the list when I get my stuff in order. Y'all know where I am if you want me for something. See ya later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 23:13:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11663; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18672; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09618 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:13:30 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.226]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980609031259.SRIK14420@rude> for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 03:12:59 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980608231102.00698dc0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:11:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: free towing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh, before I go, when you're broken down in Kentucky or Idaho or something and can't wait for Collin or Glenn to come get you, you'll be glad you signed up for AMA's Helping Hands program. You offer your services, whether a trailer, a repair shop in your basement, a spot in your yard to pitch a tent, or just a ride to the nearest shop, free of charge. In exchange, all possible services are offered to you in return. In 3 years, nobody has called me and I've never needed to call, so I have no firsthand experience, but there it is. At least you can reach a friendly person when you're out in the wilderness. 1-800-AMA-JOIN. You must be an AMA member and a registered Helping Hands participant to use Helping Hands. AMA also has a towing service like AAA. And don't get me started on HRCA's towing non-service. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 05:12:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA14673; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA26163; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA14182 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA06258; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:08:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:54:38 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980605154053.TRFC20960@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, > are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > out to Manassass...goddamnit! Don't feel bad Todd,I just got screwed by Rockville HD/Battley Cycle. First they claimed what killed my bike was a shorted tach,but when I reconnected it,the bike started and ran fine and the tach worked perfectly.Then they said my battery was stone dead and swapped it for a wimpy,$134 stock POS(despite the fact that I turned the key on before Glenn picked it up and all the lights came on strong).They also replaced the heavy duty battery cables I installed with crap stock ones,so I get to experience the thrill of having one snap while going down the highway and losing power.I'm still finding things that they didn't tighten properly.And instead of performing the recall maint on my front brake(the rotor carrier washers were hitting the caliper)they just tightened a bolt and said it should be ok. Needless to say,I'll never recommend their service department to anyone in the future. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 08:13:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15598; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01280; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15917 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A653B0017E; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:10:59 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980609081256.01072b10@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:12:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Update on Chuck In-Reply-To: <199806082352.TAA00916@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <357C65C4.DB508BE5@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:52 PM 6/8/98 -0400, zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >> Anybody receive a citation from the police for the accident? Insurance rates >> to increase perhaps. Now _that_ sucks. >> >no citation. talked to cop, he said - jsut an accident. Happens. That makes it sound like it was inevitable, though I doubt you feel that way. What would you do differently, and how will you ride differently in the future to avoid such an incident? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 08:51:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15883; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01694; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16531 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic130.cais.com [207.226.56.130]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id IAA11227 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980609085124.006b1330@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:51:24 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Update on Chuck In-Reply-To: <357C798B.13D7@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:53 PM 6/8/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hey DC Guys and Gals, > >I talked to Chuck's girlfriend today and here's the lowdown. He didn't >go into surgery until midnight last night and was in ICU when I called >this afternoon. > >Bone graft and one plate in knee since it was pretty much smashed; two >plates in ankle, major cast for three months (!) She said he's in good >spirits still (gotta be the morphine!) Oww, Wish him a speedy recovery > >I'm gonna go see him tomorrow at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda. > >BTW, Can anyone provide me with the precise coordinates of the place his >bike (and Zbig's) was taken to in Leesburg? > Sorry to hear about the blackbird Zbig, She was sweet. Mike B. >TIA, > >JK >-- >John Kozyn >"Nihil humani a me alienum puto" > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 09:02:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15982; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02693; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16841 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p13dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.45]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25946; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <357D32CE.F9170AB1@smart.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 09:04:15 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Update on Chuck References: <3.0.1.32.19980609085124.006b1330@mail.dc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's up with your bike, Mike? I haven't seen any status reports since we got back from TN. Mike wrote: > Sorry to hear about the blackbird Zbig, She was sweet. > > Mike B. > -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 09:15:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16118; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03116; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17043 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Tue Jun 9 07:55 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA22602 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:14:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD9387.05EA4870@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:14:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Do you own an older MC? Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:14:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found the following web page where you may order used micro-fiche for your Japanese MC. (Useful for finding part numbers) http://www.motocom.com/fiche/index.html John Carver 703 713 7458 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 09:17:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16165; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03154; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u3.farm.idt.net (known u3.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17099 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kosmas19@localhost) by u3.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16767; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kosmas Sender: kosmas19@XXXXXX To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I second all the comments about the crap that was labeled AMF HD but there were some unique original ideas that came out too. The XLCR1000 a sporty looking twin. Very poorly executed but Buel, Suz. TL1000 and others could be followers. Of course there were the Ducatis earlier. The Shadow came before the sportster 883? Yes the 883 came late but is displacement what we are talking about? Before the Sportster was called the sportster it was called the XLCH and that is back when Honda was introducing the Dream :) Weren't early sportsters and XLCH around 900cc? And what specific style does the Shadow have? Because as I remember there have been several styles for each displacement and model year which could hardly be characterized as even a category of bikes. I think Honda makes very reliable, practical, EXTREMELY well supported motorcycles but they have rarely added anything to design/style. Engineering yes, style only by mistake. Exceptions IMHO the Dream/CA line still in production today CA50-100 The CB750, the CBX, the GoldWing, the VFR. Between a Shadow and a Sportster I would have to choose the sportster for the simplicity and ease of maintenance. The Shadow's F16 complexity is just not worth its weight for the type of cruiser it is. But what am I talking about, I'd never buy either one of them :) Koz Y RD400 DS, S GT750 WB From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 09:23:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16212; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03418; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17170 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yjOMa-00031W-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:22:56 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:21:14 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D746764@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'kirk@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: (fwd) Cool Industry Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:22:06 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, there is some heart out there in corporate America. - Jeannette > > > >Vanson next-day-aired a free suit to the family. > > > >This wasn't SPAM. Just me thinking it was cool for the industry to > >remember the people it served. > > > >Robin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 09:53:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16757; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04657; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17722 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29650 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:53:31 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D07D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: summit point pics Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:53:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Glen Ouye caught some really cool pics of me out at Summit point on the 31st and 1st: Not on a page yet, but htey can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/210-1_980531_CCS.jpg http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/fagan-1.jpg Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 10:12:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16957; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04925; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18180 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:12:05 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA01755 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:11:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199806091411.AA01755@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:11:13 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:11:13 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:11:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:09:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... To: cwb10@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357C477C.A27356FC@amdahl.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Look glasshoppah..I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about what came first..YOU said the Shadow was modeled after the 883..which it wasn't. The 883 Sportster was introduced in 1989 (ref: The Complete Harley Davidson, copyright 1997, I can get the ISBN number if you want). I agree that the *Sportster* was around much earlier than that, however if you want to change the story, don't go and insult me then start to prattle off on a different tangent. Incidently, I'm *not* a Honda biggot you fucking moron, I *never* said *anything* to bash Harleys..my family probably has more Harleys in our garages than you have fathers...my next new bike will most likely *be* a Harley (an Electra Glide Ultra Classic btw), but your statement was wrong and I merely wanted to know how you came to such an erroneous conclusion. I also have a Shadow, a V45 Magna and this evening I'm going out to buy a V65 Magna..do I like Hondas? Yes I do, they make extremely reliable, well crafted motorcycles, as does Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki. I also like HD's, Polaris, Triumphs, BSA's and just about every other manufacturer of motorcycles...every motorcyle is a work of art in its own right..I've owned well over 20 motorcyles from a myriad of manufacturers and each one has been a joy to own and ride. So, no I'm no *Honda* biggot, I'm a *motorcycle* biggot...something I doubt you'll ever understand. Now pull up a chair son and let me educate you..gawd knows yoose needs edukatun... You obviously know very little about Harley history and their motorcycles or you wouldn't have made such stupid statements in the first place..so let me enlighten you... The XLH series (e.g. Sportster) introduced the 883 evo (street, the racing version came much earlier but was never put into production for street use until 89), was introduced to compete with the Japanese market, not specifically the Shadow or any particuliar model. It was manufactured as an entry level Sportster for those that wanted a Harley but couldn't afford the much higher cost of owning one (I'll explain why Harleys cost more in a bit). The suggested retail price of the 883 was $3,999, fat chance finding one for that price but that's what it was supposed to sell for. The XLH series was ALSO a knockoff replica of the earlier British Triumph motorcycle, HD was NOT the original...they too was a copycats of the earlier precessors of the cruiser, originally developed by the BRITISH...I know it's probably pretty hard for you to fathom so I'm deliberately trying to use words you'll understand, Harley Davidson was *not* the company that invented motorcycles, hence it's highly likely that the current and past designs were based on other motorcyles that came before it..simple nuff for you to understand glasshoppah? The REASON that Harleys are expensive is because (a) the dealers and resellers sell the motorcycles for WAY above suggested retail..I just read a post in misc.forsale where some idiot in Wisconson is trying to sell a 1987 *stock* FLXSTC (suggested retail $14k) with 10k miles for $24,000!!!!...AND (b) the *demand* for the the HD is higher than production output. HD just completed a multi-miliion dollar manufacturing and assembly plant to boost production, in hopes of doubling or tripling production output. According to HD themselves, the only reason that they didn't do that before is because they *just* got out of the financial red tape that nearly brought them under in the late 70's and early 80's. They didn't manufacture more motorcycles because they COULDN'T, not because they WOULDN'T... jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a subject that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... -aki > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the > 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the > Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS > will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that > wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the > market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda > biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at > the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If > you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > Carl > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > > of Shadow are your referring to? > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > > > > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > this. The Sportster > is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around > before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the > same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D > look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted > a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturer > s > H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and > the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. >
As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow > you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think > that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities > and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! >
Carl > >

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: >

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG > after the Shadow >
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ > the >
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > >

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between >
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, > but >
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style >
of Shadow are your referring to? > >

cheers, >
-aki >
 

>   > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 10:14:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16969; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04941; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18230 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA06622; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:23:48 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:15:19 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501DA0C@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: DC-Cycles , "'John C. Kozyn'" Subject: RE: Reprise Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:15:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Count me in too. I can do it either Saturday or Sunday. > ---------- > From: John C. Kozyn > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 1998 5:53 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Reprise > > > From: "Bruce Norton" > > Subject: Re: Reprise > > > >I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route > > >modifications as desired ;-) > > > >Tom M. > > > Craig, Tom T. & I did the planned ride on Sunday. What a blast! Approx. > 175 > > miles. Rode back thru the scene of the incident, easy to see how you > could > > get in trouble quickly. > > > I'd be up for a replay. Craig? > > Craig?? > > Tom Mersch is willing. I am willing. Looks like Bruce is willing too. > What say you? Saturday maybe? Maybe Glenn will have batt/reg problems > worked out by then. Maybe Todd'll have his new tires scrubbed in a bit > too. > > Looking forward to it. I'm not a superstitious sort so the same > road/ride sheet will be fine with me. > > Later guys, > > JK > -- > John Kozyn > "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 10:19:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17025; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05189; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18370 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA01898 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:13:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199806091413.AA01898@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:13:47 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:13:47 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:13:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:11:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Key cutting To: sbeck@XXXXXX Cc: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8525661D.0069D05E.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I'm not sure if they can do it for motorcycles, but I know (don't ask), the locksmiths can re-key a house lock by replacing the pins thus saving having to cut a replacement key or replacing the lock itself. -aki > > You will probably have to remove the whole cylinder and take it to a > locksmith. Without the original key code, the only way they can make a key > is to do what they call "making an impression". > > What this means is; they take a blank key and insert it into the cylinder > and turn the key just enough for the lock wafer to make an impression on > the surface of the key. They then use a file to file away the area that > the wafer made an impression in. > > They keep doing this until no more impressions are made. And when they > have done this for all positions (usually 5 or 6) the key is supposed to > work in the lock. > > Sometimes they get it perfect and the key will work fine. Other times it's > less than perfect and the key will only open the lock when you jiggle it. > > In either case, once the key has been filed to completion, the locksmith > will usually be able to examine the key and tell which cuts are supposed > to be made. He can then make you the right key with a key cutting tool. > > Good luck > > Steve > > > > X-Lotus-Fromdomain: ISI > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 10:22:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17049; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05365; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18521 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:22:12 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA02500 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:21:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199806091421.AA02500@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:21:22 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:21:22 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:21:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:20:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, cwb10@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME well put...the Japanese are obviously jumping on the cruiser bandwagon. If a formula works (e.g. HD cruiser), then they are doing like everyone else does with just about every other successful product that comes out...improve on it and undersell the competition..is it right? Don't know, but in the end, the consumer benefits with better products at cheaper prices...the Shadow ACE as well as the Vulcan is a prime example of the Softail and XLH clones and yes I agree that they'll never be Harleys but then again, maybe that's a good thing, price wise, for all of us. -aki > Friends, > If you look at the first Sportster (1957) and today's, you will find > more stylistic similarities than differences. The Sportster was never a > "chopper" style bike; it was originally a performance bike meant to > compete with Triumphs. It even shifted on the right to entice the > Brit-biker. Today, now that it can no longer lay claim to being a hot > rod, it's been re-positioned in our minds as a cruiser. > > The Shadow is, was, and always will be a stylistic attempt to offer what > a Harley does. If that's copying, then lets suck it up and admit it. > Of course the Honda's styling was never quite successful, so it changed > every 2-3 years. The current "ACE" motif is probably the best effort. > But guess what? It's the one that looks most like a Harley (i.e, > Heritage Softail). > It's hard for me to believe that anyone would be trying to decide > between a Sportster and a Shadow. If you have $5000 and you want a > Harley, buy a Sportster. If you don't like Harleys, but want a cruiser, > buy a Shadow (or a Vulcan, or a Virago, etc.). Just don't pretend it's > a Harley. And don't try to sell it for $5000 in five years. > > Joe Nagy > Goochland Co, VA > 2 old Harleys, 2 less-old Japanese sportbikes > > >>> Todd Peer - 6/8/98 5:00 PM >>> > > Wait, wait wait. Didn't Harley and Willy G. just go with what was > contemporary raked out chop style motorcycles? Isn't a Harley Davidson > a reflection of an American Icon, the chopper? WW2 bikes aside, most > Harley Davidson motorcycles appeal to what is considered American > Classic. > The Japanese have just copied a copy, and in some cases are better > at marketing it. > > I'm not sure what you mean by the statement, "The Sportster is the > original". Original what? Copy? The Daimler(sp) was the original. > As for the Shadow looking like a Sportster and vice-verse, the > similarities > end with 2-wheels and a v-motor. > > As for the statement about the Japanese flooding the market, it just > ain't so. I don't have exact statistics, but I'd say that more than > 98% of the bikes imported to the country get sold for close to MSR. > Harley holds back production because, thankfully, they've finally got > some quality control and in fact there is more human attention to > detail. > The reason they hold their value is hype! If I got suckered into > spending > close to $18k for a motorcycle, you'd better believe I'd do anything > to convince you that's what it's worth when I go to sell it. > > But then again, until I'm ridiculously rich, I won't be spending that > kind of money on ANY vehicle. > > Todd > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not > getting > this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was > the > 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of > the > Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and > ALWAYS > will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone > that > wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the > Jap > manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood > the > market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a > Honda > biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks > at > the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. > If > you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > Carl > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > > of Shadow are your referring to? > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 10:31:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17175; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05586; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18763 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:31:25 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D32@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , cwb10@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Friend looking for a Shadow... Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:30:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It seems that aki misses bickering with the Queen of bickering... Eh, aki... it's all fun and games till someone looses and eye.. :-) Brian McCoy -----Original Message----- jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a subject that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 10:40:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17258; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05787; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19001 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:40:07 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA03901 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:39:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199806091439.AA03901@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:39:01 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:39:01 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:39:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:37:28 -0400 Subject: RE: Friend looking for a Shadow... To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, cwb10@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D32@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME gawd this is *fun*... ;-) > It seems that aki misses bickering with the Queen of bickering... Eh, > aki... it's all fun and games till someone looses and eye.. :-) > > Brian McCoy > > -----Original Message----- > > jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a > subject > that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... > > -aki > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 10:43:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17292; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05829; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19096 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:43:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Reprise Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:43:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I think Glen is precluded from Sunday. Is anyone precluded from Saturday? Weather on Saturday seems decent according to local forecasters (TWC is always somewhat pessimistic, so they say we will have scattered thunderstorms from now to St. Swithens day). This Saturday (13th)? VA people : <> ...leading to... MD people: 9:15 - 9:30 at Chevron station on 28, east of the Point of Rocks MARC station and just west of the railroad tracks. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Westbrook, Richard [SMTP:RWestbrook@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 10:15 AM > To: DC-Cycles; 'John C. Kozyn' > Subject: RE: Reprise > > Count me in too. I can do it either Saturday or Sunday. > > > ---------- > > From: John C. Kozyn > > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 1998 5:53 AM > > To: dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Reprise > > > > > From: "Bruce Norton" > > > Subject: Re: Reprise > > > > > >I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route > > > >modifications as desired ;-) > > > > > >Tom M. > > > > > Craig, Tom T. & I did the planned ride on Sunday. What a blast! > Approx. > > 175 > > > miles. Rode back thru the scene of the incident, easy to see how you > > could > > > get in trouble quickly. > > > > > I'd be up for a replay. Craig? > > > > Craig?? > > > > Tom Mersch is willing. I am willing. Looks like Bruce is willing too. > > What say you? Saturday maybe? Maybe Glenn will have batt/reg problems > > worked out by then. Maybe Todd'll have his new tires scrubbed in a bit > > too. > > > > Looking forward to it. I'm not a superstitious sort so the same > > road/ride sheet will be fine with me. > > > > Later guys, > > > > JK > > -- > > John Kozyn > > "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 11:27:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17702; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07280; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20374 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr31-dialup58.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EUA009KSIX3HJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:27:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:25:28 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: summit point pics To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <006301bd9334$b9f278e0$ba4a37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Collin, looking good, too bad you didn't have the bodywork on.......... ===================== Jon Schumer 92 FZR 600 dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ# 11193913 ===================== -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'dc' Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 2:03 PM Subject: summit point pics >Glen Ouye caught some really cool pics of me out at Summit point on the 31st >and 1st: > >Not on a page yet, but htey can be found at: >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/210-1_980531_CCS.jpg >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/fagan-1.jpg > >Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 11:44:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17858; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07489; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20813 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:44:44 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D3A@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: DC Cycle Club Subject: RE: summit point pics Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:43:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bodywork, smodywork.. that boy was turning 1:24s!!!! - just cause something looks 'fast', doesn't mean it is.. the opposite is true as well. I'm a prime example.. a pristine example of a pure GP race bike, and I couldn't coax the thing around the track even once. *shrug* Brian McCoy -----Original Message----- Collin, looking good, too bad you didn't have the bodywork on.......... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 11:45:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17868; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07500; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20823 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yjQaE-0000lG-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:45:10 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D74677A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: What a Difference... Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:44:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain went out to my bike this morning, set the choke, started it, had to turn down the choke 'cause it was so loud! Wow, what a difference from my VF. She really needed coaxing compared to the VFR. Oh, the sound of a motorcycle first thing in the morning! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 12:43:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18601; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08522; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22373 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:42:53 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUONa04556 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3950d2d9.357d65ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:42:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Hello all. My name is Robert VanSlyke. I'm 21 and I live in Frederick, MD though I used to live in Oxon Hill, MD (just outside of D.C.). I ride an '85 Honda Nighthawk CB450SC. I'm trying to sell that bike to get something bigger. Currently I have my eye on a '83 Honda Shadow VT750C. My stumbling block in getting a new bike is that I haven't lived in my new home long enough, so everyone wants a co-signer! Aaaagh!! Anyway, I work night-shift at Fairchild Controls and ride my bike every day I can (often commuting to work). I'm almost always free to ride on weekends and hope to do so with a group of people soon. Thanks for the invite to join! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 12:43:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18608; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08545; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22398 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07238; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:44:20 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D083@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Jon Schumer'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: summit point pics Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:44:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Like Brian said, bodywork, smodywork... I would have traded every bit of it on Sunday/Monday for a steering damper when I switched tires and started getting the tank slappers. After a lot of adjusting, things were much better, but I still couldn't go WFO on the main straight :( It's also a bit disconcerting when your bike's front end starts violently ripping back and forth at the slightest bump over 130mph !! yikes...what a feeling.... Come July 11th I should have the bodywork back on it, AND a nifty WER rotary steering damper up under the triple clamps... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Schumer [SMTP:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 11:35 AM > To: DC Cycle Club > Subject: Re: summit point pics > > Collin, > looking good, too bad you didn't have the bodywork on.......... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 13:31:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19262; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09779; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23462 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 384; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: <357D7130.DAF757C1@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:30:24 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: summit point pics References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D083@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > It's also a bit > disconcerting when your bike's front end starts violently ripping back and > forth at the slightest bump over 130mph !! yikes...what a feeling.... > > Come July 11th I should have the bodywork back on it, AND a nifty WER rotary > steering damper up under the triple clamps... > And the back tire on straight, right? :-) July 11, hmm. I'm writing that one down on the calendar. Might be lots of fun to camp out up there for a race weekend. :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 13:38:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19417; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09985; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23627 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:37:58 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLSFa29071 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <381e0870.357d72d6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:37:25 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: more on lane splitting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Just when you thought the lane splitting thing was dead... The current issue of City Bike, a San Francisco area paper, has a guide to lane splitting in it. It's hilarious, and more proof, that yes, we are all crazy (Californians, I mean). City Bike is putting their rag on the web now too. Read it here: http://www.best.com/~citybike/content/features/lanes.html And look, there's the bottom deck of the bay bridge! I used to lane split there all the time. it's especially fun when it is windy. I think I'm about to ride out there, if it ever stops raining. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 13:43:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19489; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10317; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23758 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA01604; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA20344; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980609174244.YHZP11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:42:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: summit point pics X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980609174244.YHZP11142@[166.41.242.141]> Hey, Nice Helmet! :) Glen did you right by the photos too. The knee dragger is definitely portraitable. Todd Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D07D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: summit point pics Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:53:29 -0400 Glen Ouye caught some really cool pics of me out at Summit point on the 31st and 1st: Not on a page yet, but htey can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/210-1_980531_CCS.jpg http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/fagan-1.jpg Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 13:45:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19519; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10482; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23840 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA16128; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:45:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: hawkgt-l@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hawk GT t-shirts... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have several East Coast Hawk Rally 2 t-shirts still available. I believe they are all large but light blue, white, heather, and natural colors are available. I know that some have already let me know they're interested in the shirts... You can get an idea of what they look like by going to: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/tshirt.htm The cost is $15 shipped (unless you attended the Rally or are in the DC area in which case I will discount...). Get your cool Hawkwear and show your pride as part of Hawk cultdom (the Rally was merely confirmation of our cult status). Besides, since the weather was a bit less than agreeable (rain, rain go away) I've gotten a bit stuck with the extras! It won't be long before Rally photos are on the web - including the 19 Hawk line-up... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 13:46:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19527; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10571; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23881 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:46:32 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D3D@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: summit point pics Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:45:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- And the back tire on straight, right? :-) July 11, hmm. I'm writing that one down on the calendar. Might be lots of fun to camp out up there for a race weekend. :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) We haven't been telling you that for over a year!?? (at least I have been).. sheesh. Todd seems to like it, he's been there a bit - Leon will vouch for the fun that can be had... those 2 seem to be the newest members to the Summit Point campers... We'll even build a nice firering so you can bring the youn'uns up to enjoy my slowness.... And Collins speed.. :P Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 13:50:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19569; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10975; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23974 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:50:12 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D3F@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hello Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:48:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Pssst, hey Robert.. do ya like GUNS!? *chuckle*.... Anyone have the list of 'requirements' and 'dos & don'ts' of the DC cycles list laying around?.. Just kidding, welcome to the list... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 12:42 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hello Hello all. My name is Robert VanSlyke. I'm 21 and I live in Frederick, MD though I used to live in Oxon Hill, MD (just outside of D.C.). I ride an '85 Honda Nighthawk CB450SC. I'm trying to sell that bike to get something bigger. Currently I have my eye on a '83 Honda Shadow VT750C. My stumbling block in getting a new bike is that I haven't lived in my new home long enough, so everyone wants a co-signer! Aaaagh!! Anyway, I work night-shift at Fairchild Controls and ride my bike every day I can (often commuting to work). I'm almost always free to ride on weekends and hope to do so with a group of people soon. Thanks for the invite to join! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 14:07:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19783; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11714; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com (known [205.183.237.70] [205.183.237.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24347 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA15416 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:06:51 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma015247; Tue, 9 Jun 98 14:06:38 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA02643; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:00:28 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525661E.00623DB5 ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:53:03 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <8525661E.00631F08.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:07:21 -0400 Subject: Warning, their getting stealthy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII All, Seen this afternoon (about 1:30pm) on I-66 west just outside the beltway. Policeman in civilian clothes driving an unmarked blue '94-'97 Chevy Lumina with DRY CLEANING hanging in the back window!!!! He was just pulling out form giving some poor soul a ticket or I would not have noticed him either. Had very little blue and red lights in the back dashboard. Normally I would have thought this was FBI, or some other non-traffic LEO, but he was DEFINITELY on traffic duty. Keep you eyes open out there .... --chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 14:18:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19849; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11867; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24616 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21556; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:19:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13518; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806091817.OAA13518@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Warning, their getting stealthy To: Christopher.Meier@XXXXXX (Christopher Meier") Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <8525661E.00631F08.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> from "Christopher Meier"" at Jun 9, 98 02:07:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > All, > > Seen this afternoon (about 1:30pm) on I-66 west just outside the beltway. > > Policeman in civilian clothes driving an unmarked blue '94-'97 Chevy Lumina > with DRY CLEANING hanging in the back window!!!! He was just pulling out > form giving some poor soul a ticket or I would not have noticed him either. > Had very little blue and red lights in the back dashboard. Normally I > would have thought this was FBI, or some other non-traffic LEO, but he was > DEFINITELY on traffic duty. > > Keep you eyes open out there .... While on Rt. 50 near Annapolis on Saturday, I saw a mini-van with what I thought were blue and red lights in the lower window. I pulled up closer (slowly) and yep, it was a State Trooper in there! They are getting some clever undercover cars. I would imaging the mini-van can't out run some cars/bikes, but the trooper can at least get license plate numbers and things. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 14:22:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19950; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11928; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24777 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:21:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Warning, their getting stealthy Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:21:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Makes you want to drive to a speed trap site, pull out your bullhorn, and announce "PUT THE DOUGHNUTS DOWN, AND BACK AWAY SLOWLY!" > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Meier [SMTP:Christopher.Meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 2:07 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Warning, their getting stealthy > > > > > > All, > > Seen this afternoon (about 1:30pm) on I-66 west just outside the beltway. > > Policeman in civilian clothes driving an unmarked blue '94-'97 Chevy > Lumina > with DRY CLEANING hanging in the back window!!!! He was just pulling out > form giving some poor soul a ticket or I would not have noticed him > either. > Had very little blue and red lights in the back dashboard. Normally I > would have thought this was FBI, or some other non-traffic LEO, but he was > DEFINITELY on traffic duty. > > Keep you eyes open out there .... > > --chris > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 14:47:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20249; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12659; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (known orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25544 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0yjTPw-0009H8C; Tue, 9 Jun 98 11:46 PDT Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0yjTPL-000GDeC; Tue, 9 Jun 98 11:46 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.12) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:47 PDT Message-ID: <357D837C.2C0D872A@amdahl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:48:28 -0400 From: Carl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... References: <199806091411.AA01755@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, POP you are right, you are always right. If you don't believe me that you are right just look in the mirror I am quite sure the guy staring back at you will tell you how right you are. aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Look glasshoppah..I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about what > came first..YOU said the Shadow was modeled after the 883..which it wasn't. > The 883 Sportster was introduced in 1989 (ref: The Complete Harley Davidson, > copyright 1997, I can get the ISBN number if you want). I agree that the > *Sportster* was around much earlier than that, however if you want to change > the story, don't go and insult me then start to prattle off > on a different tangent. > > Incidently, I'm *not* a Honda biggot you fucking moron, I *never* said > *anything* to bash Harleys..my family probably has more Harleys in our > garages than you have fathers...my next new bike will most likely *be* > a Harley (an Electra Glide Ultra Classic btw), but your statement was > wrong and I merely wanted to know how you came to such an erroneous > conclusion. I also have a Shadow, a V45 Magna and this evening I'm going > out to buy a V65 Magna..do I like Hondas? Yes I do, they make extremely > reliable, well crafted motorcycles, as does Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki. > I also like HD's, Polaris, Triumphs, BSA's and just about every other > manufacturer of motorcycles...every motorcyle is a work of art in its > own right..I've owned well over 20 motorcyles from a myriad of manufacturers > and each one has been a joy to own and ride. So, no I'm no *Honda* biggot, > I'm a *motorcycle* biggot...something I doubt you'll ever understand. > > Now pull up a chair son and let me educate you..gawd knows yoose needs > edukatun... > > You obviously know very little about Harley history and their motorcycles > or you wouldn't have made such stupid statements in the first place..so > let me enlighten you... > > The XLH series (e.g. Sportster) introduced the 883 evo (street, the racing > version came much earlier but was never put into production for street use > until 89), was introduced to compete with the Japanese market, not specifically > the Shadow or any particuliar model. It was manufactured as an entry level > Sportster for those that wanted a Harley but couldn't afford the much higher > cost of owning one (I'll explain why Harleys cost more in a bit). The > suggested retail price of the 883 was $3,999, fat chance finding one for > that price but that's what it was supposed to sell for. The XLH series > was ALSO a knockoff replica of the earlier British Triumph motorcycle, HD > was NOT the original...they too was a copycats of the earlier precessors of > the cruiser, originally developed by the BRITISH...I know it's probably > pretty hard for you to fathom so I'm deliberately trying to use words > you'll understand, Harley Davidson was *not* the company that invented > motorcycles, hence it's highly likely that the current and past designs > were based on other motorcyles that came before it..simple nuff for you > to understand glasshoppah? > > The REASON that Harleys are expensive is because (a) the dealers and resellers > sell the motorcycles for WAY above suggested retail..I just read a post in > misc.forsale where some idiot in Wisconson is trying to sell a 1987 *stock* > FLXSTC (suggested retail $14k) with 10k miles for $24,000!!!!...AND > (b) the *demand* for the the HD is higher than production output. HD just > completed a multi-miliion dollar manufacturing and assembly plant to boost > production, in hopes of doubling or tripling production output. According > to HD themselves, the only reason that they didn't do that before is because > they *just* got out of the financial red tape that nearly brought them under > in the late 70's and early 80's. They didn't manufacture more motorcycles > because they COULDN'T, not because they WOULDN'T... > > jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a subject > that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... > > -aki > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > > this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the > > 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the > > Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS > > will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that > > wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > > manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the > > market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > > As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda > > biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at > > the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If > > you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > > Carl > > > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > > > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > > > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > > > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > > > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > > > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > > > of Shadow are your referring to? > > > > > > cheers, > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > > this. The Sportster > > is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around > > before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the > > same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D > > look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted > > a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > manufacturer > > s > > H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and > > the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > >
As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow > > you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think > > that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities > > and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > >
Carl > > > >

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG > > after the Shadow > >
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ > > the > >
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > >

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > >
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, > > but > >
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > >
of Shadow are your referring to? > > > >

cheers, > >
-aki > >
 

> >   > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 14:49:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20264; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12727; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (known orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25613 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0yjTOg-0009FhC; Tue, 9 Jun 98 11:45 PDT Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0yjTO5-000GDQC; Tue, 9 Jun 98 11:44 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.12) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:45 PDT Message-ID: <357D832D.CCC19913@amdahl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:47:09 -0400 From: Carl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... References: <199806091411.AA01755@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone else noticed that this guy is a total self-rightious moron or is it just me? aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Look glasshoppah..I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about what > came first..YOU said the Shadow was modeled after the 883..which it wasn't. > The 883 Sportster was introduced in 1989 (ref: The Complete Harley Davidson, > copyright 1997, I can get the ISBN number if you want). I agree that the > *Sportster* was around much earlier than that, however if you want to change > the story, don't go and insult me then start to prattle off > on a different tangent. > > Incidently, I'm *not* a Honda biggot you fucking moron, I *never* said > *anything* to bash Harleys..my family probably has more Harleys in our > garages than you have fathers...my next new bike will most likely *be* > a Harley (an Electra Glide Ultra Classic btw), but your statement was > wrong and I merely wanted to know how you came to such an erroneous > conclusion. I also have a Shadow, a V45 Magna and this evening I'm going > out to buy a V65 Magna..do I like Hondas? Yes I do, they make extremely > reliable, well crafted motorcycles, as does Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki. > I also like HD's, Polaris, Triumphs, BSA's and just about every other > manufacturer of motorcycles...every motorcyle is a work of art in its > own right..I've owned well over 20 motorcyles from a myriad of manufacturers > and each one has been a joy to own and ride. So, no I'm no *Honda* biggot, > I'm a *motorcycle* biggot...something I doubt you'll ever understand. > > Now pull up a chair son and let me educate you..gawd knows yoose needs > edukatun... > > You obviously know very little about Harley history and their motorcycles > or you wouldn't have made such stupid statements in the first place..so > let me enlighten you... > > The XLH series (e.g. Sportster) introduced the 883 evo (street, the racing > version came much earlier but was never put into production for street use > until 89), was introduced to compete with the Japanese market, not specifically > the Shadow or any particuliar model. It was manufactured as an entry level > Sportster for those that wanted a Harley but couldn't afford the much higher > cost of owning one (I'll explain why Harleys cost more in a bit). The > suggested retail price of the 883 was $3,999, fat chance finding one for > that price but that's what it was supposed to sell for. The XLH series > was ALSO a knockoff replica of the earlier British Triumph motorcycle, HD > was NOT the original...they too was a copycats of the earlier precessors of > the cruiser, originally developed by the BRITISH...I know it's probably > pretty hard for you to fathom so I'm deliberately trying to use words > you'll understand, Harley Davidson was *not* the company that invented > motorcycles, hence it's highly likely that the current and past designs > were based on other motorcyles that came before it..simple nuff for you > to understand glasshoppah? > > The REASON that Harleys are expensive is because (a) the dealers and resellers > sell the motorcycles for WAY above suggested retail..I just read a post in > misc.forsale where some idiot in Wisconson is trying to sell a 1987 *stock* > FLXSTC (suggested retail $14k) with 10k miles for $24,000!!!!...AND > (b) the *demand* for the the HD is higher than production output. HD just > completed a multi-miliion dollar manufacturing and assembly plant to boost > production, in hopes of doubling or tripling production output. According > to HD themselves, the only reason that they didn't do that before is because > they *just* got out of the financial red tape that nearly brought them under > in the late 70's and early 80's. They didn't manufacture more motorcycles > because they COULDN'T, not because they WOULDN'T... > > jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a subject > that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... > > -aki > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > > this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the > > 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the > > Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS > > will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that > > wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > > manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the > > market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > > As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda > > biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at > > the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If > > you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > > Carl > > > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > > > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > > > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > > > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > > > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > > > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > > > of Shadow are your referring to? > > > > > > cheers, > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > > this. The Sportster > > is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around > > before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the > > same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D > > look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted > > a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > manufacturer > > s > > H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and > > the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > >
As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow > > you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think > > that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities > > and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > >
Carl > > > >

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG > > after the Shadow > >
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ > > the > >
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > >

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > >
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, > > but > >
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > >
of Shadow are your referring to? > > > >

cheers, > >
-aki > >
 

> >   > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 15:03:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20423; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13303; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.amsinc.com (known relay1.amsinc.com [162.70.103.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26061 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:03:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by relay1.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id PAA16351 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 8525661E.0068E5D7 ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:05:45 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525661E.0068BD3C.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:04:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Just you, me thinks... -Doug To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... Has anyone else noticed that this guy is a total self-rightious moron or is it just me? aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Look glasshoppah..I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about what > came first..YOU said the Shadow was modeled after the 883..which it wasn't. > The 883 Sportster was introduced in 1989 (ref: The Complete Harley Davidson, > copyright 1997, I can get the ISBN number if you want). I agree that the > *Sportster* was around much earlier than that, however if you want to change > the story, don't go and insult me then start to prattle off > on a different tangent. > > Incidently, I'm *not* a Honda biggot you fucking moron, I *never* said > *anything* to bash Harleys..my family probably has more Harleys in our > garages than you have fathers...my next new bike will most likely *be* > a Harley (an Electra Glide Ultra Classic btw), but your statement was > wrong and I merely wanted to know how you came to such an erroneous > conclusion. I also have a Shadow, a V45 Magna and this evening I'm going > out to buy a V65 Magna..do I like Hondas? Yes I do, they make extremely > reliable, well crafted motorcycles, as does Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki. > I also like HD's, Polaris, Triumphs, BSA's and just about every other > manufacturer of motorcycles...every motorcyle is a work of art in its > own right..I've owned well over 20 motorcyles from a myriad of manufacturers > and each one has been a joy to own and ride. So, no I'm no *Honda* biggot, > I'm a *motorcycle* biggot...something I doubt you'll ever understand. > > Now pull up a chair son and let me educate you..gawd knows yoose needs > edukatun... > > You obviously know very little about Harley history and their motorcycles > or you wouldn't have made such stupid statements in the first place..so > let me enlighten you... > > The XLH series (e.g. Sportster) introduced the 883 evo (street, the racing > version came much earlier but was never put into production for street use > until 89), was introduced to compete with the Japanese market, not specifically > the Shadow or any particuliar model. It was manufactured as an entry level > Sportster for those that wanted a Harley but couldn't afford the much higher > cost of owning one (I'll explain why Harleys cost more in a bit). The > suggested retail price of the 883 was $3,999, fat chance finding one for > that price but that's what it was supposed to sell for. The XLH series > was ALSO a knockoff replica of the earlier British Triumph motorcycle, HD > was NOT the original...they too was a copycats of the earlier precessors of > the cruiser, originally developed by the BRITISH...I know it's probably > pretty hard for you to fathom so I'm deliberately trying to use words > you'll understand, Harley Davidson was *not* the company that invented > motorcycles, hence it's highly likely that the current and past designs > were based on other motorcyles that came before it..simple nuff for you > to understand glasshoppah? > > The REASON that Harleys are expensive is because (a) the dealers and resellers > sell the motorcycles for WAY above suggested retail..I just read a post in > misc.forsale where some idiot in Wisconson is trying to sell a 1987 *stock* > FLXSTC (suggested retail $14k) with 10k miles for $24,000!!!!...AND > (b) the *demand* for the the HD is higher than production output. HD just > completed a multi-miliion dollar manufacturing and assembly plant to boost > production, in hopes of doubling or tripling production output. According > to HD themselves, the only reason that they didn't do that before is because > they *just* got out of the financial red tape that nearly brought them under > in the late 70's and early 80's. They didn't manufacture more motorcycles > because they COULDN'T, not because they WOULDN'T... > > jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a subject > that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... > > -aki > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > > this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the > > 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the > > Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS > > will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that > > wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > > manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the > > market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > > As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda > > biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at > > the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If > > you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > > Carl > > > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > > > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > > > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > > > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > > > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > > > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > > > of Shadow are your referring to? > > > > > > cheers, > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > > this. The Sportster > > is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around > > before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the > > same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D > > look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted > > a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > manufacturer > > s > > H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and > > the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > >
As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow > > you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think > > that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities > > and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > >
Carl > > > >

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG > > after the Shadow > >
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ > > the > >
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > >

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > >
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, > > but > >
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > >
of Shadow are your referring to? > > > >

cheers, > >
-aki > >
 

> >   > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 15:04:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20444; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13329; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26108 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yjThM-0000Gl-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:04:44 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:02:53 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D746785@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Carl'" , aki.damme@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Friend looking for a Shadow... Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:03:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WOAH!! The flames be a flickerin'!! =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl [SMTP:cwb10@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 2:47 PM > To: aki.damme@XXXXXX > Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... >=20 > Has anyone else noticed that this guy is a total self-rightious moron > or is it just > me? >=20 >=20 > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: >=20 > > Look glasshoppah..I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about > what > > came first..YOU said the Shadow was modeled after the 883..which it > wasn't. > > The 883 Sportster was introduced in 1989 (ref: The Complete Harley > Davidson, > > copyright 1997, I can get the ISBN number if you want). I agree > that the > > *Sportster* was around much earlier than that, however if you want > to change > > the story, don't go and insult me then start to prattle off > > on a different tangent. > > > > Incidently, I'm *not* a Honda biggot you fucking moron, I *never* > said > > *anything* to bash Harleys..my family probably has more Harleys in > our > > garages than you have fathers...my next new bike will most likely > *be* > > a Harley (an Electra Glide Ultra Classic btw), but your statement > was > > wrong and I merely wanted to know how you came to such an erroneous > > conclusion. I also have a Shadow, a V45 Magna and this evening I'm > going > > out to buy a V65 Magna..do I like Hondas? Yes I do, they make > extremely > > reliable, well crafted motorcycles, as does Yamaha, Suzuki and > Kawasaki. > > I also like HD's, Polaris, Triumphs, BSA's and just about every > other > > manufacturer of motorcycles...every motorcyle is a work of art in > its > > own right..I've owned well over 20 motorcyles from a myriad of > manufacturers > > and each one has been a joy to own and ride. So, no I'm no *Honda* > biggot, > > I'm a *motorcycle* biggot...something I doubt you'll ever > understand. > > > > Now pull up a chair son and let me educate you..gawd knows yoose > needs > > edukatun... > > > > You obviously know very little about Harley history and their > motorcycles > > or you wouldn't have made such stupid statements in the first > place..so > > let me enlighten you... > > > > The XLH series (e.g. Sportster) introduced the 883 evo (street, the > racing > > version came much earlier but was never put into production for > street use > > until 89), was introduced to compete with the Japanese market, not > specifically > > the Shadow or any particuliar model. It was manufactured as an = entry > level > > Sportster for those that wanted a Harley but couldn't afford the > much higher > > cost of owning one (I'll explain why Harleys cost more in a bit). > The > > suggested retail price of the 883 was $3,999, fat chance finding = one > for > > that price but that's what it was supposed to sell for. The XLH > series > > was ALSO a knockoff replica of the earlier British Triumph > motorcycle, HD > > was NOT the original...they too was a copycats of the earlier > precessors of > > the cruiser, originally developed by the BRITISH...I know it's > probably > > pretty hard for you to fathom so I'm deliberately trying to use > words > > you'll understand, Harley Davidson was *not* the company that > invented > > motorcycles, hence it's highly likely that the current and past > designs > > were based on other motorcyles that came before it..simple nuff for > you > > to understand glasshoppah? > > > > The REASON that Harleys are expensive is because (a) the dealers = and > resellers > > sell the motorcycles for WAY above suggested retail..I just read a > post in > > misc.forsale where some idiot in Wisconson is trying to sell a 1987 > *stock* > > FLXSTC (suggested retail $14k) with 10k miles for $24,000!!!!...AND > > (b) the *demand* for the the HD is higher than production output. > HD just > > completed a multi-miliion dollar manufacturing and assembly plant = to > boost > > production, in hopes of doubling or tripling production output. > According > > to HD themselves, the only reason that they didn't do that before = is > because > > they *just* got out of the financial red tape that nearly brought > them under > > in the late 70's and early 80's. They didn't manufacture more > motorcycles > > because they COULDN'T, not because they WOULDN'T... > > > > jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a > subject > > that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... > > > > -aki > > > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously = not > getting > > > this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical > it was the > > > 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many > variations of the > > > Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS > and ALWAYS > > > will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not > everyone that > > > wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because = unlike > the Jap > > > manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't > flood the > > > market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over > time. > > > As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously > a Honda > > > biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone = that > looks at > > > the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the > differences. If > > > you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > > > Carl > > > > > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the > Shadow > > > > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I > _believe_ the > > > > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't > it? > > > > > > > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's > between > > > > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of > Shadows, but > > > > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an = 883....which > style > > > > of Shadow are your referring to? > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously = not > getting > > > this. The Sportster COLOR=3D"#000000"> > > > is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that > was around > > > before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow > mostly the > > > same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be > a H-D > > > look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that > wanted > > > a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the > Jap > > manufacturer > > > s > > > H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the = market > and > > > the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > > >
As far as comparing the Sportster to = the > Shadow > > > you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain > but I think > > > that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the > similarities > > > and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy > one!!! > > >
Carl > > > > > >

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > >

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 = came > LONG > > > after the Shadow > > >
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I > _believe_ > > > the > > >
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't > it? > > > > > >

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's > between > > >
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of > Shadows, > > > but > > >
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an > 883....which style > > >
of Shadow are your referring to? > > > > > >

cheers, > > >
-aki > > >
 

> > >   > > > >=20 >=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 15:06:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20476; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13385; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26165 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA01263; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:06:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA28265; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980609190600.YTXT11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:06:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: Christopher.Meier@XXXXXX (Christopher Meier"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Subject: Re: Warning, their getting stealthy X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980609190600.YTXT11142@[166.41.242.141]> Anyone NOT believe speed limit enforcement is more for revenue generation than for your safety? Coming into work the other day (HOV I95). Traffic moves around 70-75mph. Came up to a cluster doing around 65mph, all surround our state trooper pace car. He was very well marked and it had an effect on the drivers on the road. Good or bad we all slowed, to the PACE OF THE TROOPER! Not 55mph, but 65mph. Speed Limit enforcement is simple revenueing 98% of the time. Don't doubt it! Todd > All, > > Seen this afternoon (about 1:30pm) on I-66 west just outside the beltway. > > Policeman in civilian clothes driving an unmarked blue '94-'97 Chevy Lumina > with DRY CLEANING hanging in the back window!!!! He was just pulling out > form giving some poor soul a ticket or I would not have noticed him either. > Had very little blue and red lights in the back dashboard. Normally I > would have thought this was FBI, or some other non-traffic LEO, but he was > DEFINITELY on traffic duty. > > Keep you eyes open out there .... While on Rt. 50 near Annapolis on Saturday, I saw a mini-van with what I thought were blue and red lights in the lower window. I pulled up closer (slowly) and yep, it was a State Trooper in there! They are getting some clever undercover cars. I would imaging the mini-van can't out run some cars/bikes, but the trooper can at least get license plate numbers and things. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 15:13:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20548; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13550; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26457 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA27764 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:12:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199806091912.AA27764@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:12:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:12:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:12:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:10:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... To: cwb10@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357D832D.CCC19913@amdahl.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME nope..just you..I didn't start this, I merely asked a simple question... -aki > Has anyone else noticed that this guy is a total self-rightious moron or is it j > ust > me? > > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Look glasshoppah..I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about what > > came first..YOU said the Shadow was modeled after the 883..which it wasn't. > > The 883 Sportster was introduced in 1989 (ref: The Complete Harley Davidson, > > copyright 1997, I can get the ISBN number if you want). I agree that the > > *Sportster* was around much earlier than that, however if you want to change > > the story, don't go and insult me then start to prattle off > > on a different tangent. > > > > Incidently, I'm *not* a Honda biggot you fucking moron, I *never* said > > *anything* to bash Harleys..my family probably has more Harleys in our > > garages than you have fathers...my next new bike will most likely *be* > > a Harley (an Electra Glide Ultra Classic btw), but your statement was > > wrong and I merely wanted to know how you came to such an erroneous > > conclusion. I also have a Shadow, a V45 Magna and this evening I'm going > > out to buy a V65 Magna..do I like Hondas? Yes I do, they make extremely > > reliable, well crafted motorcycles, as does Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki. > > I also like HD's, Polaris, Triumphs, BSA's and just about every other > > manufacturer of motorcycles...every motorcyle is a work of art in its > > own right..I've owned well over 20 motorcyles from a myriad of manufacturers > > and each one has been a joy to own and ride. So, no I'm no *Honda* biggot, > > I'm a *motorcycle* biggot...something I doubt you'll ever understand. > > > > Now pull up a chair son and let me educate you..gawd knows yoose needs > > edukatun... > > > > You obviously know very little about Harley history and their motorcycles > > or you wouldn't have made such stupid statements in the first place..so > > let me enlighten you... > > > > The XLH series (e.g. Sportster) introduced the 883 evo (street, the racing > > version came much earlier but was never put into production for street use > > until 89), was introduced to compete with the Japanese market, not specificall > y > > the Shadow or any particuliar model. It was manufactured as an entry level > > Sportster for those that wanted a Harley but couldn't afford the much higher > > cost of owning one (I'll explain why Harleys cost more in a bit). The > > suggested retail price of the 883 was $3,999, fat chance finding one for > > that price but that's what it was supposed to sell for. The XLH series > > was ALSO a knockoff replica of the earlier British Triumph motorcycle, HD > > was NOT the original...they too was a copycats of the earlier precessors of > > the cruiser, originally developed by the BRITISH...I know it's probably > > pretty hard for you to fathom so I'm deliberately trying to use words > > you'll understand, Harley Davidson was *not* the company that invented > > motorcycles, hence it's highly likely that the current and past designs > > were based on other motorcyles that came before it..simple nuff for you > > to understand glasshoppah? > > > > The REASON that Harleys are expensive is because (a) the dealers and resellers > > > sell the motorcycles for WAY above suggested retail..I just read a post in > > misc.forsale where some idiot in Wisconson is trying to sell a 1987 *stock* > > FLXSTC (suggested retail $14k) with 10k miles for $24,000!!!!...AND > > (b) the *demand* for the the HD is higher than production output. HD just > > completed a multi-miliion dollar manufacturing and assembly plant to boost > > production, in hopes of doubling or tripling production output. According > > to HD themselves, the only reason that they didn't do that before is because > > they *just* got out of the financial red tape that nearly brought them under > > in the late 70's and early 80's. They didn't manufacture more motorcycles > > because they COULDN'T, not because they WOULDN'T... > > > > jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a subject > > that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... > > > > -aki > > > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > > > this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the > > > 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the > > > > Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS > > > will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone tha > t > > > wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > > > manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the > > > market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > > > As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda > > > biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at > > > the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If > > > you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > > > Carl > > > > > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > > > > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > > > > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > > > > > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > > > > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > > > > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > > > > of Shadow are your referring to? > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > > > this. The Sportster > > > > is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around > > > > before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the > > > same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D > > > look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted > > > a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > > manufacturer > > > s > > > H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and > > > the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > > >
As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow > > > you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think > > > that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similaritie > s > > > and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > > > >
Carl > > > > > >

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > >

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG > > > after the Shadow > > >
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ > > > the > > >
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > > > >

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > > >
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, > > > but > > >
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > > >
of Shadow are your referring to? > > > > > >

cheers, > > >
-aki > > >
 

> > >   > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 15:21:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20637; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13691; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26668 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA26092; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09020; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980609192057.XBQT7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:20:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (fwd) Cool Industry X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980609192057.XBQT7401@[166.41.242.141]> If this is a true story then Vansen deserves some applause. Very cool indeed. T --------- This message came through the Hawk list and I thought it was interesting enough to forward on... Kirk On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:59:25 -0000, Les Bean wrote: >One of my customers was killed, in the last week, in motorcycle crash on >public roads. Said customer had placed an order through our shop for a >Vanson suit. After his death, his suit order was cancelled, all money >refunded. > >In talking with Vanson, the family must have mentioned in passing that >someone--not sure whether it was family or the deceased, himself--wanted >the deceased buried in a leather race suit. > >Vanson next-day-aired a free suit to the family. > >This wasn't SPAM. Just me thinking it was cool for the industry to >remember the people it served. > >Robin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 15:21:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20641; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13696; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26671 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA26179; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29900; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980609192100.XBRB7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:21:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Reprise X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980609192100.XBRB7401@[166.41.242.141]> >Craig?? > >Tom Mersch is willing. I am willing. Looks like Bruce is willing too. >What say you? Saturday maybe? Maybe Glenn will have batt/reg problems >worked out by then. Maybe Todd'll have his new tires scrubbed in a bit >too. > >Looking forward to it. I'm not a superstitious sort so the same >road/ride sheet will be fine with me. > >Later guys, Sorry guys, I'll be a no show. Tires are definitely scrubbed in (except for about an 1/8 inch up to the edge ;), but I'll be plowing through the Adirondaks around Lake Placid, NY this weekend. Have fun though, I will. And take it easy guys, ride your own ride. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 15:27:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20724; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13771; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26775 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC5720D01E4; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:26:15 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980609145300.010b9400@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:53:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Friend looking for a Shadow... In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D32@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace. army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a >subject > that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... > > -aki Don't sugar-coat it ... what do you really think? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 15:42:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20972; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13982; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27213 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA18189 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bar end weights Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After a 1500 mile weekend my right thumb is still not quite awake... So, I'm looking for the biggest, heaviest bar-end weights I can find. They'll go on a Hawk GT but they don't need to be Hawk specific. I've seen some pretty big ones on the FJs. Others? I've stuffed the left bar with lead fishing weights and silicone and that has helped but I'd still like to add the end weights to further quell the vibration. Of course, I'll be putting the weights in the right bar as well (the lead weights/silicone seems to work better than the stock internal bar weights). Any leads would be highly appreciated. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 16:06:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21582; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14337; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28176 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA19972; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA12710; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980609200606.ZDNR11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:06:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bar end weights X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980609200606.ZDNR11142@[166.41.242.141]> >After a 1500 mile weekend my right thumb is still not quite awake... So, >I'm looking for the biggest, heaviest bar-end weights I can find. They'll >go on a Hawk GT but they don't need to be Hawk specific. I've seen some >pretty big ones on the FJs. Others? > >I've stuffed the left bar with lead fishing weights and silicone and that >has helped but I'd still like to add the end weights to further quell the >vibration. Of course, I'll be putting the weights in the right bar as >well (the lead weights/silicone seems to work better than the stock >internal bar weights). > >Any leads would be highly appreciated. I have an aftermarket set of handlebars on my CB750. I stuffed it full of wad-cutter lead shot, pounding it in with a metal drift every now and then. I think I got about 4 packs of 100 pellets each in the bars. I feel no buzz! Your bike offers a little relief in the gas tank. Squeeze it with your knees and sit up off of your hands. Since you've got that Hawk all pimp-jacked up you might not be able to let go w/o falling face down on the tank, but try it anyway :-) Hell, you could just rest your chin on the fuzzy dice! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 16:22:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22046; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14712; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29037 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D42@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'DC'" Subject: rain, rain go away... Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:20:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Come back AFTER I get home... hrm, wonder how the Wilson bridge is going to be right after this fresh little rain.. Fun on 2 wheels... :-) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 16:23:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22080; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14822; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29085 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yjUvQ-0004OE-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:23:20 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:21:37 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D746793@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tank Bag... Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:22:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I just received my tank bag from Kiernan Racing supplies. I'm going to try it out tonight...it looks pretty damn big. It would be nice if I never had to wear my backpack again!! ; ) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 17:02:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22652; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15777; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00217 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:01:52 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA01678; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806092103.RAA01678@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Update on Chuck To: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980609081256.01072b10@norloff.com> from "Chris Norloff" at Jun 9, 98 08:12:56 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > > That makes it sound like it was inevitable, though I doubt you feel that > way. What would you do differently, and how will you ride differently in > the future to avoid such an incident? > 1) pre-ride speach on every occassion when there is a new face which did not ride with us before. No exception. or 2) for rides defined as fast, no new faces, and once a month NOVA ride to see how each person handles it; 3) back off immediately after seeing first turn runnig wide; give self more space if person before you crashes; 4) at first stop, gently and kindly (so it wouldn't be probably me :-) discuss with the rider his riding style/capability. > Chris Norloff > > > _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 18:06:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23405; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22745; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01744 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr38-dialup59.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EUB0004V1DXL8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:05:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 06:05:07 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: summit point pics To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <00ab01bd936c$907ffd60$7b4c37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Touchy aren't we guys? I was thinking from a "photo" view. They would be perfect if you had the bodywork on. I said nothing regarding speed and times. Reading comprehension is a dangerous tool, use it wisely. BTW, that helmet's a beauty! ;-P ===================== Jon Schumer 92 FZR 600 dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ# 11193913 ===================== -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'Jon Schumer' ; 'dc' Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 4:43 PM Subject: RE: summit point pics >Like Brian said, bodywork, smodywork... I would have traded every bit of it >on Sunday/Monday for a steering damper when I switched tires and started >getting the tank slappers. After a lot of adjusting, things were much >better, but I still couldn't go WFO on the main straight :( It's also a bit >disconcerting when your bike's front end starts violently ripping back and >forth at the slightest bump over 130mph !! yikes...what a feeling.... > >Come July 11th I should have the bodywork back on it, AND a nifty WER rotary >steering damper up under the triple clamps... > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jon Schumer [SMTP:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 11:35 AM >> To: DC Cycle Club >> Subject: Re: summit point pics >> >> Collin, >> looking good, too bad you didn't have the bodywork on.......... >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 19:14:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24043; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24590; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03040 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA04419; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:12:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv7-20.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.148) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004314; Tue Jun 9 18:12:14 1998 Message-ID: <357D8E5A.3D92@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 12:35:06 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A Brief History of the Sportster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe this will put an end to the endless ridiculous Honda/Harley debate. 1957 First 883cc XL 'Sportster' 1958 XLH and XLCH Higher compression motors 1965 Conversion to 12 Volts 1966 Introduction of infamous(famous) Ham Can Air Cleaner 1968 Electric Start 1972 Displacememt increase to 1000cc 1973 Front disc brake 1977 XLCR Cafe Racer ( Willie G's Bike ) 1983 The $3995.00 XLX-61 1984 Switch to Alternator from Generator 1986 Evolution 883cc for $3995.00, 1100cc was $1200.00 more. 1988 XLH 1200 cc available and 5 speed gearbox. 1993 Belt drive standard on all Sportster models. 1996 Redesign of switchgear -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 20:01:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24485; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24920; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03766 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.113]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 372; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:01:19 -0400 Message-ID: <357D85FF.7D555E87@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 19:59:11 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Reprise References: <357CCDEE.7D5F@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John C. Kozyn wrote: > > From: "Bruce Norton" > > Subject: Re: Reprise > > > >I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route > > >modifications as desired ;-) > > > >Tom M. > > > Craig, Tom T. & I did the planned ride on Sunday. What a blast! Approx. 175 > > miles. Rode back thru the scene of the incident, easy to see how you could > > get in trouble quickly. > > > I'd be up for a replay. Craig? > > Craig?? oh yeah lets do it :~} > > Tom Mersch is willing. I am willing. Looks like Bruce is willing too. > What say you? Saturday maybe? Maybe Glenn will have batt/reg problems > worked out by then. Maybe Todd'll have his new tires scrubbed in a bit > too. > > Looking forward to it. I'm not a superstitious sort so the same > road/ride sheet will be fine with me. > > Later guys, > > JK > -- > John Kozyn > "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" > wish i knew what ^ meant!!! yeah john i am not the superstitious type either as evidenced by the fact we rode the same route the next day.....i would more than enjoy going on a ride with you , glenn ,todd tom m, and bruce, maybe even our buddy tom as well.saturday at this point looks as though it may be raining we'll have to keep our eye on the weather and decide which day later in the week...hopefully we can keep the size down to 8-9 at the most as it gets hard to keep everyone together with larger groups...Craig Blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 20:31:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24716; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25155; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04233 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19211; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.26] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00123 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:30:57 -0400 Message-ID: <012101bd9406$df35c6c0$6373c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Reprise Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:29:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: John C. Kozyn To: dc-cycles Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Reprise >> From: "Bruce Norton" >> Subject: Re: Reprise > >> >I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route >> >modifications as desired ;-) > >> >Tom M. > >> Craig, Tom T. & I did the planned ride on Sunday. What a blast! Approx. 175 >> miles. Rode back thru the scene of the incident, easy to see how you could >> get in trouble quickly. > >> I'd be up for a replay. Craig? > >Craig?? > >Tom Mersch is willing. I am willing. Looks like Bruce is willing too. I'm ready. I would like to do Saturday if weather cooperates. Sunday I want to go to the Dyno Shootout at Fast Lane. Always entertaining. Lotsa bikes, lotsa horsepower. Leesburg group at the Amoco at 8:30 just like before? >What say you? Saturday maybe? Maybe Glenn will have batt/reg problems >worked out by then. Maybe Todd'll have his new tires scrubbed in a bit >too. > >Looking forward to it. I'm not a superstitious sort so the same >road/ride sheet will be fine with me. > >Later guys, > >JK >-- >John Kozyn >"Nihil humani a me alienum puto" > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 20:40:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24802; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25206; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04379 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.55] (unverified [207.226.128.55]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 20:43:05 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "David Wakefield" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Gee, Harley-Davidson owners and dealers have been price-gouging for >years now. The only difference is that H-D bikes can't accelerate, brake, >or handle like a real bike should. It's kind of funny that so many people >are willing to overpay for the privilege of owning such motorized fashion >statements. Meanwhile, they looked at the R1 ad, and thought "I can't believe somebody is paying over list for a bike they'll never use more than 20% of". Takes all kinds. If I had the money, and was in the market for a cruiser, I'd definately be thinking Heritage Softail Classic. There might be Road King knock offs, and low riders, but I don't think anyone is copying this. BTW, hated the bike at first, but my sister got me a phone in the shape of one for Xmas. It's really grown on me. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 20:44:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24825; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25231; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04416 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19321; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23600 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980609204049.008dc4c0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:40:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: admin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Would someone be so kind as to send me the admin address off list? Thanks in advance. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 21:01:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24955; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25439; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04646 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19472; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.26] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA00216 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:01:57 -0400 Message-ID: <026301bd940b$33e2e1e0$6373c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:00:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey folks! Is there a DC Cycles logo? I work for my brother in his embroidery shop & was wondering about the possibility of making some DC Cycles hats. Any ideas? Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 21:23:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25266; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25544; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05191 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.134]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 331 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:23:29 -0400 Message-ID: <357D9941.C8BD9597@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:21:21 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: exhaust Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine is looking for a micron exhaust for his 94 yam yzf 750 !!! any ideas where i can look to find such an item .....he has searched in magazines and had no success, i thought i would try the net but have not seen any place yet. Searching..Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 21:25:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25329; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25556; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05296 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19629; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA25201; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:24:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:24:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Stephen Harris cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: admin In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980609204049.008dc4c0@mail.his.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Stephen -- I believe it's dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX. Lists often use the -request form for admin address. -ph On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Stephen Harris wrote: > Would someone be so kind as to send me the admin address off list? Thanks > in advance. > > > S > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 21:34:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25403; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25607; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05459 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19677; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:34:01 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FKQZa22301; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:33:17 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <6286e0b4.357de25e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:33:17 EDT To: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Funny, I was wondering about this too - but not for hats. I thought a little decal might be kind of nice, something small, just two or three inches. Stick 'em on your bike and your car or your bicycle or your refridgerator. You can get sticker paper that goes in printers - if anyone was clever enough to come up with a nice design, they would be easy to make. Colleen >Hey folks! Is there a DC Cycles logo? I work for my brother in his >embroidery shop & was wondering about the possibility of making some DC >Cycles hats. Any ideas? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 21:39:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25471; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25675; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05617 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19708; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:39:46 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8OZMa08565; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:38:24 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <493fbfb6.357de392@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:38:24 EDT To: jencraig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: exhaust Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Two years ago, Micron's USA phone number was 708/963-5200. I don't know if it is still correct. It's an Illinois area code, with any luck it hasn't been changed Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 22:03:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25630; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25852; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05901 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.134]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 372 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:03:42 -0400 Message-ID: <357DA2AF.61AB8C34@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:01:35 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: micron Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit o.k. after some persistance i found it 888-963-1212 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 22:25:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25756; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26360; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06170 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14816 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357E1940.E3F@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:27:28 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright Gang, Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? You do, if you automatically "Paste as Quotation" all the nonesense that everyone has read already and you blithely click once thinking everyone else is actually interested in reading all that yet again (!) C'mon. There are two buttons on the mouse. If you hold the left one down and move it - or use (SHIFT + Arrow key) you will be able to manipulate text - it highlights in blue then you can go to Edit - Cut etc... etc... I am actually willing to teach anyone of you how to use the left mouse button to cut and paste. For free! I hate to be didactic (OK, maybe only dislike... ;) but seriously. If D-mode people can do it so can you! Your colleagues/comrades will love you for it (for not boring the shit outta them!) Sheesh (that's the second time I felt annoyed enough to post such a message - clearly the other D-mode folks are far more generous and patient than I am). JK N.B. On a less annoyed note, Saturday sounds great for the Reprise Ride although I could also prolly do it on Sunday too ;) Count me in. N.B. II : Jeannette got an '86 VFR? !! Whoa! Nice one Jeannette, congrats on the new scoot and also on the new crib for you and Tom. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 22:48:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25938; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26688; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06400 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-149.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.149]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02005; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980609224814.006f30f8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:48:14 -0400 To: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" , jencraig , "Jordan, Michael" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Cc: "'dc-cycles'" In-Reply-To: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My experiences with them have been very positive... no bullshit or anything like that. -Tom '86 VFR750F '86 VFR700F2 At 01:41 PM 6/5/98 -0300, Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: >Has anyone on the list had any experience with Manasass Honda? I'm going to >get some basic maintenance done on the bike (mechanically challenged and I'll >give my worst excuse ever - no time to do it myself) and I was going to go to >this dealer. > >Are they honest/good to work with? > >Thanks much. My better half is going away for 3 weeks soon, so I'll be >married to the bike for that time and want to make sure everything's running >smooth! > >Thanks, >Matt > > > >> Try Going There For warranty work.....mine has been there 3 times for >> a time length of 1.5 months...i was with a friend when he went to >> buy boots and the guy says "there over there" so their we are ready >> to climb up the shelf to look at some cause no one wants to help get >> em down..!!.hey jerk, he is ready to shell out $200+ and you dont want >> to help.!!!..well excuse us for wanting to buy something...!!!! >> guess it was not enough.... >> >> Jordan, Michael wrote: >> >> > >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman >> > >Powersports, are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! >> > >> > >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll >> > >travel out to Manassass...goddamnit! >> > >> > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at >> > Rider's Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). >> > >> > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him >> > for years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that >> > you are being too tolerant towards Coleman's. >> > >> > Michael J. >> >> >> >> >> > > >------------ >Matt Elliott >Regional Sales Manager >DIGEX >301-847-6242 (voice) >301-847-5055 (fax) > >An Intermedia Communications Company > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 23:13:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26167; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27495; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06840 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20220; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.93] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA00714 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:13:20 -0400 Message-ID: <02c701bd941d$8fbe0780$6373c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:12:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Guilty as charged. HHS (hanging head in shame) Bruce (using all my mouse buttons) ;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 00:02:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26605; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01419; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07632 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20477; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.46] (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:00:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 00:05:07 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Funny, I was wondering about this too - but not for hats. I thought a little >decal might be kind of nice, something small, just two or three inches. Stick >'em on your bike and your car or your bicycle or your refridgerator. You can >get sticker paper that goes in printers - if anyone was clever enough to come >up with a nice design, they would be easy to make. I thought the same thing when I saw the DC Cycles logo header. But I can't design to save my butt. That's why we're meeting with a graphic designer Thursday afternoon for my work:) I'd vote for a sticker. Now if I can just figure out where to put all of these club stickers.... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 00:46:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27471; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01788; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08424 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8843 invoked from network); 10 Jun 1998 04:45:51 -0000 Received: from surf160.wch.adelphia.net (HELO gary) (24.48.14.160) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 1998 04:45:51 -0000 Message-ID: <008401bd942a$a1523ae0$a00e3018@gary> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: New Summit Point Pictures Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:44:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Here's some new pics from Summit Point http://www.fj1100.com/pages/summit.htm Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR Judgement to AVOID the situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 03:16:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA28853; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA05217; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10420 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" , balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:30:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Not just price wise... how about reliability wise? Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > example of the Softail and XLH clones and yes I agree that they'll > never be Harleys but then again, maybe that's a good thing, price > wise, for all of us. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 03:16:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA28854; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA05218; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10418 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:21:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:21:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) You know that's why I always like to do the work myself. I figure no ones going to do the job as good as I will do. They just want to finish the job as fast as they can to either work on the next one (commission) or to go home. I usually find something wrong with one of my vehicles more then 50% of the time I get it back from a shop whether its something not tight, hooked up or a scratch somewhere. A perfect example of this is Tom M's bike a few weeks ago. He couldn't understand why his brake light wasn't working with the front brake. The dealer hadn't hooked the wires back to the switch. I hate taking my vehicles anywhere. I say unless its under warrantee then try and do it yourself. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Don't feel bad Todd,I just got screwed by Rockville HD/Battley Cycle. > First they claimed what killed my bike was a shorted tach,but when I > reconnected it,the bike started and ran fine and the tach worked > perfectly.Then they said my battery was stone dead and swapped it for > a wimpy,$134 stock POS(despite the fact that I turned the key on before > Glenn picked it up and all the lights came on strong).They also replaced > the heavy duty battery cables I installed with crap stock ones,so I > get to experience the thrill of having one snap while going down the > highway and losing power.I'm still finding things that they didn't > tighten properly.And instead of performing the recall maint on my front > brake(the rotor carrier washers were hitting the caliper)they just > tightened a bolt and said it should be ok. > Needless to say,I'll never recommend their service department to > anyone in the future. :-P > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 03:16:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA28858; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA05221; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10422 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:13:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Warning, their getting stealthy Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:13:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I think sometimes its worse to have these pigs on the side of the roads with their lights flashing after pulling someone over for speeding. Just makes the rubber neckers take their eye off the road one more time to stare and possibly rear-end someone else or run off the road. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Anyone NOT believe speed limit enforcement is more for revenue generation > than for your safety? > > Coming into work the other day (HOV I95). Traffic moves around 70-75mph. > Came up to a cluster doing around 65mph, all surround our state trooper > pace car. He was very well marked and it had an effect on the drivers > on the road. Good or bad we all slowed, to the PACE OF THE TROOPER! > Not 55mph, but 65mph. > > Speed Limit enforcement is simple revenueing 98% of the time. Don't > doubt it! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 03:26:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA28888; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA05330; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10482 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA13164; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:22:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:17:23 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Warning, their getting stealthy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806091817.OAA13518@shell.clark.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > While on Rt. 50 near Annapolis on Saturday, I saw a mini-van with what I > thought were blue and red lights in the lower window. I've seen a green Aerostar pulling out of the VDOT on Columbia Pike several times,and I swear I've seen lights on the dash. Maybe they're just going into stealth mode so we don't recognise them at the Dunkin Doughnuts. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 03:32:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA28942; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA05404; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10545 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA13186; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:28:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:24:16 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Bar end weights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Two ideas for you.Try different handlebars;if you didn't have to put as much weight on your wrists,your hands would do better.Or try a set of those gel gloves.They've got gel in the palms to soak up vibes.You could use the regular ones or get large fingerless ones and wear them over your regular gloves. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 03:39:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA28970; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA05463; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (known germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10641 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip183.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.111.183]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10246; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <357E392A.7A501047@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:43:38 -0400 From: Randy Dow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kirk@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bar end weights Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bar end weights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After a 1500 mile weekend my right thumb is still not quite awake... So, I'm looking for the biggest, heaviest bar-end weights I can find. They'll go on a Hawk GT but they don't need to be Hawk specific. I've seen some pretty big ones on the FJs. Others? I've stuffed the left bar with lead fishing weights and silicone and that has helped but I'd still like to add the end weights to further quell the vibration. Of course, I'll be putting the weights in the right bar as well (the lead weights/silicone seems to work better than the stock internal bar weights). Any leads would be highly appreciated. Kirk -------------------------------------------------------------------- I've read that a simple solution is to hammer the proper length of 4 gauge cable into the bars. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 08:03:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00843; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12717; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12976 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A5C71A80264; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:02:15 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980610074724.00f0d100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:47:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Update on Chuck In-Reply-To: <199806092103.RAA01678@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980609081256.01072b10@norloff.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:03 PM 6/9/98 -0400, zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >1) pre-ride speach on every occassion when there is a new face which >did not ride with us before. No exception. >or >2) for rides defined as fast, no new faces, and once a month NOVA ride >to see how each person handles it; > >3) back off immediately after seeing first turn runnig wide; give self >more space if person before you crashes; > >4) at first stop, gently and kindly (so it wouldn't be probably me :-) >discuss with the rider his riding style/capability. Sound like good ideas. Thanks. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 08:17:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00950; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12942; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13107 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09453; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:18:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09580; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806101217.IAA09580@shell.clark.net> Subject: My Capitol 1000 Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List), ldrider@XXXXXX (LD List), cog@XXXXXX (COG Email) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:17:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I wrote up a web page with my experiences in the recent Capitol 1000. (This way I won't clog up the e-mail pathways for those who may not be interested.) The address is: http://www.clark.net/~louis/capitol If you don't have web access, but want to read my experiences, let me know, and I'll e-mail it to you. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 08:38:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01164; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13647; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13491 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server ([151.196.125.167]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id IAA06315 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01bd946c$155ae860$a77dc497@server> From: "Franz" To: "dc cycles list" Subject: DC Listers-stickers hats and caps Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:34:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD944A.8AD8D9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD944A.8AD8D9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everone and anyone interested, I am kinda a lurker out here but, I can make the stickers, shirts and caps if anyone is interested. My business which is located in baltimore does in house graphic arts, screen printing and embroidery...stickers to....if enough people were interested I would be willing to do whatever the list needed at cost. Just drop me an e-mail attn: Franz Muller sesent@XXXXXX Funny, I was wondering about this too - but not for hats. I thought a little decal might be kind of nice, something small, just two or three inches. Stick 'em on your bike and your car or your bicycle or your refridgerator. You can get sticker paper that goes in printers - if anyone was clever enough to come up with a nice design, they would be easy to make. I thought the same thing when I saw the DC Cycles logo header. But I can't design to save my butt. That's why we're meeting with a graphic designer Thursday afternoon for my work:) I'd vote for a sticker. Now if I can just figure out where to put all of these club stickers.... ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD944A.8AD8D9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Everone and anyone = interested,
 
I am kinda a lurker out here but, I can = make the=20 stickers, shirts and caps if anyone is interested.  My business = which is=20 located in baltimore does in house graphic arts, screen printing and=20 embroidery...stickers to....if enough people were interested I would be = willing=20 to do whatever the list needed at cost. Just drop me an e-mail=20 attn:
Franz Muller
sesent@XXXXXX
 
 
 
Funny, I was wondering about this too - = but not for=20 hats. I thought a little
decal might be kind of nice, something = small, just=20 two or three inches. Stick
'em on your bike and your car or your = bicycle or=20 your refridgerator. You can
get sticker paper that goes in printers - = if=20 anyone was clever enough to come
up with a nice design, they would be = easy to=20 make.

I thought the same thing when I saw the DC Cycles logo = header. But=20 I
can't design to save my butt. That's why we're meeting with a = graphic=20
designer Thursday afternoon for my work:)

I'd vote for a = sticker. Now=20 if I can just figure out where to put all of
these club=20 stickers....
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD944A.8AD8D9C0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 08:38:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01177; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13677; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13496 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p190.smart.net [206.97.127.190]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29445; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:38:40 -0400 Message-ID: <357E80C1.D1155497@smart.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:49:06 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jencraig CC: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Reprise References: <357CCDEE.7D5F@mnsinc.com> <357D85FF.7D555E87@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for not forgetting about me, Craig, but I'll be down at the beach this weekend. Have a safe ride and hopefully we'll get together the 20th or 21st. And to anybody who has a flexible schedule like myself, we should try doing some mid-week rides....less traffic on the roads as well. jencraig wrote: > yeah john i am not the superstitious type either as evidenced by the fact we rode > the same route the next day.....i would more than enjoy going on a ride with you > , glenn ,todd tom m, and bruce, maybe even our buddy tom as well.saturday at this > point looks as though it may be raining we'll have to keep our eye on the weather > and decide which day later in the week...hopefully we can keep the size down to > 8-9 at the most as it gets hard to keep everyone together with larger > groups...Craig > Blue TL --Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 08:58:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01307; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13959; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13827 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:56:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , David Wakefield , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:56:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) No offense, but you guys can have your Harley's. Maybe if I get rich I'll be a collector and one or two but I'd never have one as my only bike or even a second bike. Why? Well a friend on mine bought a Fat Boy several years ago and at 5000 miles it was already consuming 1/2 oil every 500 miles. I've never added oil to my bike. Second reason... I don't want engine technology that's primitive as hell. I want something that revs over 5500 RPM. Hell, my cages rev higher then Harley's. And for the price they want for a Harley, NFW! Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Meanwhile, they looked at the R1 ad, and thought "I can't believe > somebody is paying over list for a bike they'll never use more than 20% > of". Takes all kinds. If I had the money, and was in the market for a > cruiser, I'd definately be thinking Heritage Softail Classic. There might > be Road King knock offs, and low riders, but I don't think anyone is > copying this. BTW, hated the bike at first, but my sister got me a phone > in the shape of one for Xmas. It's really grown on me. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 08:58:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01312; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13969; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13834 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA09038; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma008974; Wed, 10 Jun 98 08:57:20 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Of course, you're assuming that everyone is reading this with a Windows email program. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com -----Original Message----- From: John C. Kozyn [mailto:jckozyn@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 1:27 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? C'mon. There are two buttons on the mouse. If you hold the left one down and move it - or use (SHIFT + Arrow key) you will be able to manipulate text - it highlights in blue then you can go to Edit - Cut etc... etc... I am actually willing to teach anyone of you how to use the left mouse button to cut and paste. For free! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 09:04:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01373; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14147; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14023 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11398 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23237 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806101304.JAA23237@shell.clark.net> Subject: RE: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:04:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > > Of course, you're assuming that everyone is reading this with a Windows > email program. Well, I can take care of that assumption right now. I'm using VI on a Unix system. No mouse. There is some primative cut and paste. It's not that people need to be trained on the machine, they need to be trained on the nice way of doing things. (Did I cut enough out? :-) ) By the way, except for DC-Cycles, all of the other e-mail lists I subscribe to are in digest mode, and I do agree with John completely about replies needing trimming. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 09:07:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01396; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14361; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14140 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23300; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yjkad-0007AN-01; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:06:55 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D7467AD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:06:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I like that idea! : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Norton [SMTP:bnorton@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 9:01 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? > > Hey folks! Is there a DC Cycles logo? I work for my brother in his > embroidery shop & was wondering about the possibility of making some > DC > Cycles hats. Any ideas? > > Bruce > Leesburg, VA > '98 VFR800 "Tronix" > '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 09:16:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01465; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14712; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14342 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:16:16 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08143 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:15:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199806101315.AA08143@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:15:19 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:15:19 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:15:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 9:13:25 -0400 Subject: RE: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply To: Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..actually the greatest thing that HD did was the Evo engine...they're *much* more reliable, are not prone to the infamous "Harley leak"...and as far as the electrics and whatnot, once HD started outsourcing the electrics (Japanese), and suspensions (also Japanese), the electrics and ride have improved considerably...not to mention the carburation systems (also Japanese), and well, the tires (also Japanese)... I don't know of anyone who owns a recent model HD that's very happy with it's relability, even though there *are* quirks that HD should have fixed out of the factory (HP for one, and some mechanical probs for another, but then again the performance aftermarket for HD's is a big $$ industry).. ;-) cheers, -aki > Not just price wise... how about reliability wise? > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > > example of the Softail and XLH clones and yes I agree that they'll > > never be Harleys but then again, maybe that's a good thing, price > > wise, for all of us. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 09:25:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01542; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15360; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14544 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id JAA12969; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma012932; Wed, 10 Jun 98 09:24:41 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:26:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:26:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain in other words, a job for Miss Manners, not Bill Gates. --John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:louis@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 9:05 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Unix system. No mouse. There is some primative cut and paste. It's not that people need to be trained on the machine, they need to be trained on the nice way of doing things. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 09:27:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01559; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15402; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14598 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23504; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:27:20 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA09015 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:26:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199806101326.AA09015@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:26:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:26:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:26:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 9:25:30 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MotorLE@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..if nothing else..we'd be able to identify a fellow dc-cycler if our cages had a sticker on the rear window/bumper... -aki > >Funny, I was wondering about this too - but not for hats. I thought a little > >decal might be kind of nice, something small, just two or three inches. Stick > >'em on your bike and your car or your bicycle or your refridgerator. You can > >get sticker paper that goes in printers - if anyone was clever enough to come > >up with a nice design, they would be easy to make. > > I thought the same thing when I saw the DC Cycles logo header. But I > can't design to save my butt. That's why we're meeting with a graphic > designer Thursday afternoon for my work:) > > I'd vote for a sticker. Now if I can just figure out where to put all of > these club stickers.... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 09:35:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01635; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15623; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14774 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23578; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:34:53 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IKILa26052 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <70b78dc7.357e8b41@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:33:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I could design a logo for us if there isn't one already ...... Marcy In a message dated 6/9/98 9:19:09 PM, bnorton@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 09:36:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01651; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15793; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14815 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABC61660268; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:36:06 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980610093408.0106ada0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:34:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And assuming you use a right-handed mouse. Chris Norloff *********************************************************** At 08:58 AM 6/10/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >Of course, you're assuming that everyone is reading this with a Windows >email program. > >John Whiteside >Marketing Specialist >EIS International >Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 >jwhiteside@XXXXXX >http://www.eisi.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Kozyn [mailto:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 1:27 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? > > C'mon. There are two buttons on the mouse. If you hold the >left one down > and move it - or use (SHIFT + Arrow key) you will be able to >manipulate > text - it highlights in blue then you can go to Edit - Cut >etc... etc... > I am actually willing to teach anyone of you how to use the >left mouse > button to cut and paste. For free! > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 09:38:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01664; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15836; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14855 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id RJWDa05237; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:35:25 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Unless you're on a Mac ;D In a message dated 6/9/98 10:31:50 PM, jckozyn@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 09:55:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01877; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16619; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15340 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23794; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA02864 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:59:22 -0400 Message-ID: <357E9017.647DB512@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:54:31 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D7467AD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This will probably sound too regimented, but . . . I'd love to have a DC Cycles sticker for my bike. Can it be made large enough to see from across a parking lot, and may I request that someone suggest a 'standard' place to put it. That way when a bike goes by, we all know where to look and what to look for. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 09:57:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01958; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16667; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15390 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic106.cais.com [207.226.56.106]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id KAA20801 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980610095705.006b5740@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:57:05 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: My bike? In-Reply-To: <357D32CE.F9170AB1@smart.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980609085124.006b1330@mail.dc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:04 AM 6/9/98 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >What's up with your bike, Mike? I haven't seen any status reports since we >got back from TN. Well I'm waiting for the insurance people to tell me wether it's totaled or not. The Cycle Sport (Herndon) guys say its about 3,000 and change in parts w/o labor. I haven't heard from my insurance company yet. In the meantime I'm trying to decide if I want to put the money down on a new bike (ZX9?, Concours,) or take the bike back and fix it myself (cheaper), or look at the FJ1200 A friend told me about (stored since '86 started on occasion w/1000 miles on it) for About $1000 + back on the road expenses (tires cables etc..). I'm leaning toward putting the money down on one of the above. ThatZX9 all green ;-D (Freeowww!!!) or the Concours Which appeals to my touring side. Thanks for asking , and I apologize for lurking for so long, been in school. and missing out on the rides :-( . Mike B Gaurd rail garaged zx6 > >Mike wrote: > >> Sorry to hear about the blackbird Zbig, She was sweet. >> >> Mike B. >> > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:01:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02043; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17170; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15541 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA07622 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:11:03 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:03:03 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501DA1A@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:03:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, graphic design is what I do for a living, if you want to call it that. I'd love to come up with a few ideas for a logo. Does anyone want to volunteer their website so anyone who wants could post ideas? We could work it some way so that everyone could vote on ther favorite logo. Once we decide on a logo we can make stickers, hats, magnets, or whatever. Rich Westbrook > ---------- > From: George Howell > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 4:05 AM > To: MotorLE@XXXXXX; bnorton@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? > > >Funny, I was wondering about this too - but not for hats. I thought a > little > >decal might be kind of nice, something small, just two or three inches. > Stick > >'em on your bike and your car or your bicycle or your refridgerator. You > can > >get sticker paper that goes in printers - if anyone was clever enough to > come > >up with a nice design, they would be easy to make. > > I thought the same thing when I saw the DC Cycles logo header. But I > can't design to save my butt. That's why we're meeting with a graphic > designer Thursday afternoon for my work:) > > I'd vote for a sticker. Now if I can just figure out where to put all of > these club stickers.... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:06:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02101; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17309; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15611 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12488; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806101406.KAA12488@meretrix.com> To: "Westbrook, Richard" cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:03:01 EDT." <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501DA1A@GROVER> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:06:23 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Does anyone want to volunteer their website so anyone who wants could post >ideas? We could work it some way so that everyone could vote on ther >favorite logo. I would suggest the dc-cycles web page: http://www.dc-cycles.org/ . I'd be happy to collect submissions, put them up on the web site, and conduct a scientific voting process. >Once we decide on a logo we can make stickers, hats, magnets, or whatever. Tattoos. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:22:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02267; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17565; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15869 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:21:52 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUUOa20982 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:21:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-06-10 10:05:57 EDT, you write: << Does anyone want to volunteer their website so anyone who wants could post ideas? We could work it some way so that everyone could vote on ther favorite logo. >> A similar group in Australia did shirts etc. with the slogan, "Virtually a bike club" on them. Check out http://wwwimagine-it.com.au/ausmoto/tshirt.htm Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:28:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02327; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17693; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15997 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p39dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.71]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01785; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:28:12 -0400 Message-ID: <357E9870.27D3838D@smart.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:30:09 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: My bike? References: <3.0.1.32.19980609085124.006b1330@mail.dc.net> <3.0.1.32.19980610095705.006b5740@mail.dc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're trying to make us jealous now, aren't you? If they made the 9R in black, I would try to get one too. And I've heard nothing but good things about the Concours. At least we see where your loyalty lies.....Kawa. As far as the FJ is concerned, I'd be wary about a bike that hadn't seen any action other than a startup for 10+ years. Inaction vs. abuse? Tough call, I think. Maybe we'll see you on a ride soon. BTW, where are you in school and what are you studying? Mike wrote: > At 09:04 AM 6/9/98 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > >What's up with your bike, Mike? I haven't seen any status reports since we > >got back from TN. > > Well I'm waiting for the insurance people to tell me wether it's totaled > or not. The Cycle Sport (Herndon) guys say its about 3,000 and change in > parts w/o labor. > I haven't heard from my insurance company yet. > In the meantime I'm trying to decide if I want to put the money down on a > new bike (ZX9?, Concours,) or take the bike back and fix it myself > (cheaper), or look at the FJ1200 A friend told me about (stored since '86 > started on occasion w/1000 miles on it) for About $1000 + back on the road > expenses (tires cables etc..). > I'm leaning toward putting the money down on one of the above. ThatZX9 all > green ;-D (Freeowww!!!) or the Concours Which appeals to my touring side. > Thanks for asking , and I apologize for lurking for so long, been in > school. and missing out on the rides :-( . -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:32:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02396; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17874; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16061 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24162; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA03991 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <357E98BF.2D39CFF@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:31:27 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? References: <199806101326.AA09015@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't like this idea. I'm embarrassed enough when driving a cage, now you want to add to the embarrassment by adding a sticker that tells the whole world that I own a bike and I'm not riding it? I'd add smilies, but can't decide if I'm kidding or not. Leon. aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > ..if nothing else..we'd be able to identify a fellow dc-cycler if > our cages had a sticker on the rear window/bumper... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:37:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02469; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18136; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16152 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24210; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:37:25 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D46@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:36:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As far as designs are concerned.. I've been through this once before on another list and it worked well where we had anyone submit a design idea to a web page (we have an FTP site free of charge) then vote... the one with the most vote.. well, you know.. loses of course. :P Just my little contribution... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:38:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02483; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18184; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16177 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.51] (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:35:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 10:40:40 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "David Wakefield" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >No offense, but you guys can have your Harley's. Maybe if I get rich I'll >be a collector and one or two but I'd never have one as my only bike or even >a second bike. Why? Well a friend on mine bought a Fat Boy several years >ago and at 5000 miles it was already consuming 1/2 oil every 500 miles. I've >never added oil to my bike. Second reason... I don't want engine technology >that's primitive as hell. I want something that revs over 5500 RPM. Hell, >my cages rev higher then Harley's. And for the price they want for a >Harley, NFW! Takes time for cylinders to bed in. Takes many BMW's about 10000 miles before they stop consuming oil. And let's not forget that a single anecdote does not a good analysis make. As for primitive engine tech. Well, part of the point of the harley is that you gotta work on it to get it to do what you want. And as far as high revving. I agree with you. I like revvy engines. But, again, different strokes... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:42:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02527; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18357; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16325 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806101442.KAA16325@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXTAY; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:47:02 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:42:16 -0400 To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Update on Chuck Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806092103.RAA01678@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980609081256.01072b10@norloff.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:03 PM 6/9/98 -0400, zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >1) pre-ride speach on every occassion when there is a new face which >did not ride with us before. No exception. Can I add an item to the list? :) When a ride is being discussed/organized on the list, be clear what kind of ride it's going to be. I think the one last weekend was described as "double yellow fast." I wasn't sure exactly what that meant but it didn't sound like the right kind of ride for me (too busy doing poker runs anyhow!!). Usually I can get an idea of what the ride will be like based on the participants, but people new to the list might not know everyone's riding style. Just my .02! Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:44:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02551; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18402; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16411 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24298; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA15927 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:43:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199806101443.AA15927@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:43:46 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:43:46 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:43:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:42:03 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? To: mrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357E98BF.2D39CFF@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME oh I donno..I rode my cage today..it's raining...it's not a *bad* thing to ride a cage...I have an AMA sticker on my truck as well..just because I own and drive a cage doesn't necessarily mean that I don't ride a bike an equal amount of time or more...wouldn't wearing a hat do the same thing? I can't wear a hat whilst I'm riding so if I'm wearing a hat, I must not be riding! 8-P whatever.. -aki > I don't like this idea. I'm embarrassed enough when driving a cage, now > you want to add to the embarrassment by adding a sticker that tells the > whole world that I own a bike and I'm not riding it? > > I'd add smilies, but can't decide if I'm kidding or not. > > Leon. > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > ..if nothing else..we'd be able to identify a fellow dc-cycler if > > our cages had a sticker on the rear window/bumper... > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:52:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02606; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18631; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16644 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:52:13 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 3USVa26053; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2467c6fc.357e9d7c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:51:39 EDT To: RWestbrook@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 it's my living too! :D your idea sounds perfect. marcy In a message dated 6/10/98 10:05:57 AM, RWestbrook@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:53:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02624; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18777; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16692 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:53:51 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 2IUWa05700; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <475a594a.357e9ddb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:52:57 EDT To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >..if nothing else..we'd be able to identify a fellow dc-cycler if >our cages had a sticker on the rear window/bumper... When I park between cars, I look for AMA, MSF etc stickers - I figure those cars are less likely to knock me over. If I put a sticker on my bike, it would be on the rear fender. I'd only put it there if it was small. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 10:59:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02672; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18889; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16887 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:59:25 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA17948 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:59:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199806101459.AA17948@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:59:03 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:59:03 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:59:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:57:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? To: MotorLE@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <475a594a.357e9ddb@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME exactly my point..only you put it more elequently... :-) -aki > > >..if nothing else..we'd be able to identify a fellow dc-cycler if > >our cages had a sticker on the rear window/bumper... > > When I park between cars, I look for AMA, MSF etc stickers - I figure those > cars are less likely to knock me over. > > If I put a sticker on my bike, it would be on the rear fender. I'd only put it > there if it was small. > > Colleen > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 11:02:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02727; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18962; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16943 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24530; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:55:15 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:00:56 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? -Reply "I can't wear a hat whilst I'm riding so if I'm wearing a hat, I must not be riding! 8-P" Actually, you could wear it backwards under one of those "shorty" style half helmets. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 11:11:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02819; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19279; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17199 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24657; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA18992 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:11:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199806101511.AA18992@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:11:08 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:11:08 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:11:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:09:42 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? -Reply To: DavidW@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME GAK!!!!! wearing a hat under a bowl? It would look like someone put a bill on a cereal bowl! ;-) -aki > "I can't wear a hat whilst I'm riding so if I'm wearing a hat, I must not be > riding! 8-P" > > Actually, you could wear it backwards under one of those "shorty" style > half helmets. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 11:30:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03101; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19992; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17672 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA18891; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:28:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:28:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Cap 1000 by Louis Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Great write up Louis! Thanks for typing it all in and adding the pics. BTW: What is a throttle rocker? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 11:35:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03193; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20156; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17760 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:27:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? -Reply Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:27:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Awww please, people. Just shave your ass and paint a bike on it. > -----Original Message----- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 11:10 AM > To: DavidW@XXXXXX > Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; > mrider@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? -Reply > > GAK!!!!! wearing a hat under a bowl? It would look like someone > put a bill on a cereal bowl! ;-) > > -aki > > > "I can't wear a hat whilst I'm riding so if I'm wearing a hat, I must > not be > > riding! 8-P" > > > > Actually, you could wear it backwards under one of those "shorty" style > > half helmets. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 11:37:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03221; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20238; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17806 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Wed Jun 10 10:17 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA21780 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD9464.0502EC40@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:36:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'VFR'" Subject: *STILL* More On Oil Filters Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:36:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paging through my Honda Service Manual for the 98 VFR800, I found the oil pressure was rated at 71 PSI at 6,000 RPM at the oil filter outlet. I would surmise, then, that an ordinary auto filter would not do under these pressure levels since cars do not operate at oil pressures that high and the bypass valve would therefore open. (or so I believe) Basically, I am trying to come up with some objective evidence which would either steer me to, or away from the Honda OEM filter, rather then the, "Fram filters failed during a race and aren't any good . . .etc." John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 12:19:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04128; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22627; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19623 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-3.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.3]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA24842; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980610121836.006e0730@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:18:36 -0400 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Update on Chuck Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806101442.KAA16325@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <199806092103.RAA01678@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> <3.0.1.32.19980609081256.01072b10@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey... what are we all doing here? If the person in front of you were to ride of a cliff would you follow? I don't think so. If a person wishes to ride with someone let them... one should know their own limitations. And I'm not going to have some people tell me that I shouldn't be riding with them because "they" don't think my riding style is up to snuff. Jeannette has been on trips with me plenty of times at all different kinds of speeds. She was a newbie and she new when she could keep up and when she couldn't. Maybe it's a matter of testosterone or something.... Hope I didn't offend anyone. -Tom '86 VFR750 At 10:42 AM 6/10/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >At 05:03 PM 6/9/98 -0400, zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > >>1) pre-ride speach on every occassion when there is a new face which >>did not ride with us before. No exception. > >Can I add an item to the list? :) When a ride is being >discussed/organized on the list, be clear what kind of ride it's going to >be. I think the one last weekend was described as "double yellow fast." I >wasn't sure exactly what that meant but it didn't sound like the right kind >of ride for me (too busy doing poker runs anyhow!!). Usually I can get an >idea of what the ride will be like based on the participants, but people >new to the list might not know everyone's riding style. > >Just my .02! > >Anita >'95 Nighthawk 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 12:37:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04467; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22921; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20110 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Wed Jun 10 11:18 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA28125 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:37:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD946C.7B090750@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:37:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Neiman Marcus - Ducati??!! Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:37:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw the buyer's guide in Motorcyclist Magazine but I thought it was a joke. Now I see the following at http://www.roadracingworld.com/ !! I guess it was *REAL*..... The Rarest Ducati. Exactly 100 special edition 748Ls were manufactured for Neiman Marcus. They feature custom color paint and select carbon fiber parts. To make offer, call (504) 837-3403. (LA) John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 12:51:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04672; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23188; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20497 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806101651.MAA20497@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MVDTWXZY; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:55:49 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:51:02 -0400 To: "Thomas W. Zell" , zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Fast Rides (was Update on Chuck) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980610121836.006e0730@pop.mindspring.com> References: <199806101442.KAA16325@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> <199806092103.RAA01678@XXXXXX> <3.0.1.32.19980609081256.01072b10@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:18 PM 6/10/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >Hey... what are we all doing here? If the person in front of you were to >ride of a cliff would you follow? I don't think so. If a person wishes to >ride with someone let them... one should know their own limitations. My point was only that I prefer NOT to go on a ride that is going to be very fast. Yes, I know that I could bring up the rear and ride at my own pace (and have done so in the past). But even if there is not overt pressure to keep up (and there usually isn't), I'd prefer to ride with a slower group. Also, I know my own limits but sometimes that isn't enough. I rode with Collin one time, and tried to follow him through a turn. I had told him to go on ahead and wait for me at the next stop sign/intersection, but I still didn't realize just how fast he was going. Luckily for me I realized my error before I got into trouble, and I learned a valuable lesson. Group rides have a very peculiar dynamic and I don't think it's as simple as saying "anyone should be able to go on any ride." If a group of sporty riders doesn't want to have to keep waiting for a slower rider to catch up (or is worried that someone might get hurt) and is upfront about the type of ride they are planning, why is that a problem? I don't take offense, but I do look elsewhere for a ride that I would enjoy. Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 13:12:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04983; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24194; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21019 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What are we doing? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:12:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain We're scratching our heads. Usually happens right after a traumatic event. A little is okay if used to soothe the damaged psyche, and if it doesn't last long or get out of hand. For example, I don't think we should exclude anyone because of riding ability or the suitability of their mount. On the other hand, if the ride is to be outside of the dc-cycles norm in some way (last Saturday's was to be a performance ride), we might want to arrange ourselves to avoid problems like the one experienced last Saturday. For example, when the CAMS ride out 50 to 601, the ordering of the group is irrelevant until nearing 601, at which point the shredder maniacs (myself included) go to the front to tear up 601 and then wait for those who choose a more sane pace, each knowing his/her own desires, abilities, and equipment. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W. Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 12:19 PM > To: Anita Lauro; zbig@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Update on Chuck > > Hey... what are we all doing here? If the person in front of you were to > ride of a cliff would you follow? I don't think so. If a person wishes > to > ride with someone let them... one should know their own limitations. And > I'm not going to have some people tell me that I shouldn't be riding with > them because "they" don't think my riding style is up to snuff. Jeannette > has been on trips with me plenty of times at all different kinds of > speeds. > She was a newbie and she new when she could keep up and when she > couldn't. > Maybe it's a matter of testosterone or something.... Hope I didn't > offend > anyone. > > -Tom > '86 VFR750 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 14:05:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05910; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26880; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22635 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA10468 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fast Rides (was Update on Chuck) In-Reply-To: <199806101651.MAA20497@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > At 12:18 PM 6/10/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>Hey... what are we all doing here? If the person in front of you were to >>ride of a cliff would you follow? I don't think so. If a person wishes to >>ride with someone let them... one should know their own limitations. This is true to an extent. However, suppose you had someone who talked a good game but was basically a newbie? Suppose you took that person on a road like US250? Suppose that person dumped it on the summit and then again 4 corners down the mountain? Suppose then you found out they've only ridden 600 miles and most of them in the city? Since having the above happen to me (taking a newbie on a road less than suited to newbies) I have made it a point of checking on people's experience and giving some details of the difficulty of the road. > Also, I know my own limits but sometimes that isn't enough. I rode with > Collin one time, and tried to follow him through a turn. I had told him to > go on ahead and wait for me at the next stop sign/intersection, but I still > didn't realize just how fast he was going. Luckily for me I realized my > error before I got into trouble, and I learned a valuable lesson. Following a fast and smooth rider through a turn can be disastrous for many. You might not be able to judge how fast things are going just because they're so good. I set-up a rally this past weekend. The ride leader I selected is a retired AMA pro racer. While he was hardly going at race pace he has so much reserves and is so smooth that you can't really read the road by following him. The good street rider on the now totalled 748 can attest to this. I wouldn't exclude anyone from a ride I set-up but I would want to be aware of their experience and to make them aware of the difficulty that the road represents. I'd also tell them that I ignore the brakes for anything but the tightest of corners most of the time (I will use the brakes when really cooking it but I'm usually not going at that kind of pace). As silly as it may sound I always give praise to people I leave behind - for riding at their own pace and knowing their limitations. Disclaimer mode: Once again, let mention that Carl Fogarty loses no sleep over the potential for me to enter WSB races... The retired pro I was out with this past weekend can quite easily disappear from my view if he wants to... I'm not rocket boy Roy... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 14:06:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05917; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26925; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22684 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:06:06 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WEFEa07259 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:05:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 My ass does not require shaving thank you. :P -Marcy In a message dated 6/10/98 11:40:15 AM, merscht@XXXXXX wrote: << Awww please, people. Just shave your ass and paint a bike on it.>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 14:14:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06026; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27272; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22921 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26963; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA10402; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA14654; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980610173937.NBJ7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:39:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980610173937.NBJ7401@[166.41.242.141]> I don't know about the 'large enough to see from across a parking lot' bit, but I'd be interested in a sticker as well. A t-shirt is always cool too. Todd >This will probably sound too regimented, but . . . I'd love to have a DC >Cycles sticker for my bike. Can it be made large enough to see from >across a parking lot, and may I request that someone suggest a From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 15:18:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07009; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29387; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24600 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yjqMV-000228-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:16:43 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:14:07 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D7467CD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fast Rides (was Update on Chuck) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:15:06 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I guess it's like the car thing. Some people who shouldn't be on the roads are. I don't necessarily mean some motorcyclists should not be on the roads at all, but some people don't know their limitations. I luckily know mine - just ask anyone who went on the first DC Cycles ride I went on...I stayed WAAAYYYY in the back... ; ) I was more worried more about just staying on the road than staying WITH anyone else. Since I didn't go beyond my abilities I didn't crash and now I'm able to ride faster. I am not, however, yet daring enough to go as fast as someone like Collin! ; ) I certainly won't and don't try to ride up to par with someone who's got years more experience than me, either, but that's just me... - Jeannette > This is true to an extent. However, suppose you had someone who talked > a > good game but was basically a newbie? Suppose you took that person on > a > road like US250? Suppose that person dumped it on the summit and then > again 4 corners down the mountain? Suppose then you found out they've > only > ridden 600 miles and most of them in the city? > > Since having the above happen to me (taking a newbie on a road less > than > suited to newbies) I have made it a point of checking on people's > experience and giving some details of the difficulty of the road. > > many. You might not be able to judge how fast things are going just > because they're so good. I set-up a rally this past weekend. The ride > leader I selected is a retired AMA pro racer. While he was hardly > going at > race pace he has so much reserves and is so smooth that you can't > really > read the road by following him. The good street rider on the now > totalled > 748 can attest to this. > > I wouldn't exclude anyone from a ride I set-up but I would want to be > aware of their experience and to make them aware of the difficulty > that > the road represents. I'd also tell them that I ignore the brakes for > anything but the tightest of corners most of the time (I will use the > brakes when really cooking it but I'm usually not going at that kind > of > pace). > > As silly as it may sound I always give praise to people I leave behind > - > for riding at their own pace and knowing their limitations. > > Disclaimer mode: > Once again, let mention that Carl Fogarty loses no sleep over the > potential for me to enter WSB races... The retired pro I was out with > this > past weekend can quite easily disappear from my view if he wants to... > I'm > not rocket boy Roy... > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 15:34:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07401; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29879; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25316 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:34:41 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D4B@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fast Rides Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:33:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Umm.. I'm not sure there are many people in our little group here that CAN go as fast as Collin, on the track or off. Sometimes natural abilities come into play... J - yes, you were REALLY slow when you first started... I remember watching you go through a corner.. all upright and stuff.. I've not had an opportunity to watch you lately.. but from what I hear, you've improved tons.... I can't imagine that you haven't.. you ride more than a lot of people.... Then there are those of us who only ride to and from work.. lotsa miles, but no real experience gained.. How many commuters (bikes only) spend anywhere even close to a majority of their attention on what they're doing? I find myself daydreaming as much on a bike as I would if I were taking Metro.. scary, I know.. Brian McCoy -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] and now I'm able to ride faster. I am not, however, yet daring enough to go as fast as someone like Collin! ; ) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 15:44:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07539; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00345; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25590 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA12497 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:44:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fast Rides In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D4B@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Then there are those of us who only ride to and > from work.. lotsa miles, but no real experience gained.. Humans react very well to specificity - if you want to be good at riding in traffic then ride in traffic a lot - if you want to be good at riding corners then ride corners a lot. They don't carry over too well as I learn every spring when I have to bring my cornering skills back from the winter doldrums when I only commute. I know that I'm not going to grow as much in the 'performance aspects' of riding as some others because I basically just commute and take 3-4 corner happy weekend trips per year... The track sure has its appeal though... > How many commuters (bikes only) spend anywhere even close to a majority > of their attention on what they're doing? I find myself daydreaming as > much on a bike as I would if I were taking Metro.. scary, I know.. Uh oh! That is scary. I guess it would take a lot of concentration to keep your attention up for a 35 mile one way commute... It must be OS install day at work as my mind wanders more than normally to getting out and riding. I end up just typing endless e-mails instead... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 15:49:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07572; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00434; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25734 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yjqrj-0007SP-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:48:59 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:47:02 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D7467D8@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fast Rides Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:48:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain That was one thing I noticed almost immediately on the new bike. When I'm super-slabbing it & lay on the tank, I start almost getting sleepy like I do when I'm in the car...that scared me. I NEVER felt that way on my little VF...too much wind resistance, I guess! - Jeannette > How many commuters (bikes only) spend anywhere even close to a > majority > of their attention on what they're doing? I find myself daydreaming > as > much on a bike as I would if I were taking Metro.. scary, I know.. > > Brian McCoy > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 15:54:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07610; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00655; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25858 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ewinslow@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00552; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fast Rides In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D4B@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was commuting by bike from DC to Hayfield (down 395 most of the way) for a good bit of time (2 and a half years) and always enjoyed the commute for the chance to forget everything else and concentrate on the riding of the motorcycle. I learned, through an accident when I first started riding, that the mind can't be anywhere else except on the task at hand. Of course, that's an ideal, but one that I strive for, especially on commutes where most of the cage drivers are spacing out and thinking of everything but what they're actually doing. In that way I thought commuting was a great time to improve my riding skills and habits. That's just my experience, though. Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN > > How many commuters (bikes only) spend anywhere even close to a majority > of their attention on what they're doing? I find myself daydreaming as > much on a bike as I would if I were taking Metro.. scary, I know.. > > Brian McCoy > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 16:04:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07914; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01054; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26404 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA12134 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:56:23 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:01:24 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:03:53 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: kosmas19@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Friends, Funny, the first Sportster ('57) was an 883, just like the K-bike it replaced. According to Allan Girdler in his H-D Buyer's Guide, "Those early Sportsters were quick and fast and they could run with the imports." They bumped it to 1000cc in 1972, in response to Triumph and BSA 750 Triples, and the Honda 750 Four (the beginning of the end for the Sportster and the Brits as "superbikes"). It stayed a 1000 until '85, when the 883cc Evolution was intro'ed. IMHO, discussing performance/technology in relation to cruisers is irrelevant; Harleys don't break like they useta, and you run the risk of some old fart on a ten-year-old Ninja blowing you and your hi-tech Shadow into the weeds anyway. ;-) Joe Nagy Old fart with a ten-year-old Ninja From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 16:06:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07947; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01091; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (known [159.199.101.3] [159.199.101.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26458 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0yjr8c-0009o0C; Wed, 10 Jun 98 13:06 PDT Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0yjr81-000GG8C; Wed, 10 Jun 98 13:05 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.12) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:06 PDT Message-ID: <357EE7A8.858DEAA8@amdahl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:08:08 -0400 From: Carl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dysart@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once again showing your ignorance. The "Harley leak" is the way that they used to oil the chain. If you want to see a bike that leaks try the old Triumphs. I owned 2 of them in the 60's and although I loved the bikes they both leaked from the time they were brand new. Obviously you haven't ever met anyone that owns a HD and rides it regularly like I do. All of the regular riders are quite happy with the reliablility of the HD bikes. By the way AMF is a Japanese company and almost ruined the HD company before the workers bought it back!!!!! aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > ..actually the greatest thing that HD did was the Evo > engine...they're *much* more reliable, are not prone to > the infamous "Harley leak"...and as far as the electrics and > whatnot, once HD started outsourcing the electrics (Japanese), > and suspensions (also Japanese), the electrics and ride > have improved considerably...not to mention the carburation > systems (also Japanese), and well, the tires (also Japanese)... > > I don't know of anyone who owns a recent model HD that's very > happy with it's relability, even though there *are* quirks that > HD should have fixed out of the factory (HP for one, and some > mechanical probs for another, but then again the performance > aftermarket for HD's is a big $$ industry).. ;-) > > cheers, > -aki > > > Not just price wise... how about reliability wise? > > > > Glenn Dysart > > dysart@XXXXXX > > > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > > > > > > example of the Softail and XLH clones and yes I agree that they'll > > > never be Harleys but then again, maybe that's a good thing, price > > > wise, for all of us. > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 16:17:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08133; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01375; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26765 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-57.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.57]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04687; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980610161724.00690d60@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:17:24 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Fast Rides In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D7467D8@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's caused by the ultra smoothness of the VFR's V4 motor!! : ) -Tom At 03:48 PM 6/10/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >That was one thing I noticed almost immediately on the new bike. When >I'm super-slabbing it & lay on the tank, I start almost getting sleepy >like I do when I'm in the car...that scared me. I NEVER felt that way >on my little VF...too much wind resistance, I guess! > >- Jeannette > > >> How many commuters (bikes only) spend anywhere even close to a >> majority >> of their attention on what they're doing? I find myself daydreaming >> as >> much on a bike as I would if I were taking Metro.. scary, I know.. >> >> Brian McCoy >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 16:39:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08477; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01730; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27227 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA12810 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:31:33 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:36:34 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:38:58 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: cwb10@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Holy shit folks! aki, the 883 Sportster (evo engine) intro'd no later than '87 model year (I have the company brochure). '88 was the first year of the 1200 (I wrote the company brochure). And what's all this about a "race version?" Ain't no, never was. You're right about it being built to a low price. As far as "fat chance for finding one for that price," the first $3995 Sportster was the iron-engined XLX, and dealers couldn't give them away. The Evo Sporty had a lot of baggage to overcome when it debuted. And the only bigger idiot than the guy selling the used SlagTail for $24,000 is the guy who buys it. Joe Nagy >>> Carl - 6/9/98 2:48 PM >>> Yes, POP you are right, you are always right. If you don't believe me that you are right just look in the mirror I am quite sure the guy staring back at you will tell you how right you are. aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Look glasshoppah..I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about what > came first..YOU said the Shadow was modeled after the 883..which it wasn't. > The 883 Sportster was introduced in 1989 (ref: The Complete Harley Davidson, > copyright 1997, I can get the ISBN number if you want). I agree that the > *Sportster* was around much earlier than that, however if you want to change > the story, don't go and insult me then start to prattle off > on a different tangent. > > Incidently, I'm *not* a Honda biggot you fucking moron, I *never* said > *anything* to bash Harleys..my family probably has more Harleys in our > garages than you have fathers...my next new bike will most likely *be* > a Harley (an Electra Glide Ultra Classic btw), but your statement was > wrong and I merely wanted to know how you came to such an erroneous > conclusion. I also have a Shadow, a V45 Magna and this evening I'm going > out to buy a V65 Magna..do I like Hondas? Yes I do, they make extremely > reliable, well crafted motorcycles, as does Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki. > I also like HD's, Polaris, Triumphs, BSA's and just about every other > manufacturer of motorcycles...every motorcyle is a work of art in its > own right..I've owned well over 20 motorcyles from a myriad of manufacturers > and each one has been a joy to own and ride. So, no I'm no *Honda* biggot, > I'm a *motorcycle* biggot...something I doubt you'll ever understand. > > Now pull up a chair son and let me educate you..gawd knows yoose needs > edukatun... > > You obviously know very little about Harley history and their motorcycles > or you wouldn't have made such stupid statements in the first place..so > let me enlighten you... > > The XLH series (e.g. Sportster) introduced the 883 evo (street, the racing > version came much earlier but was never put into production for street use > until 89), was introduced to compete with the Japanese market, not specifically > the Shadow or any particuliar model. It was manufactured as an entry level > Sportster for those that wanted a Harley but couldn't afford the much higher > cost of owning one (I'll explain why Harleys cost more in a bit). The > suggested retail price of the 883 was $3,999, fat chance finding one for > that price but that's what it was supposed to sell for. The XLH series > was ALSO a knockoff replica of the earlier British Triumph motorcycle, HD > was NOT the original...they too was a copycats of the earlier precessors of > the cruiser, originally developed by the BRITISH...I know it's probably > pretty hard for you to fathom so I'm deliberately trying to use words > you'll understand, Harley Davidson was *not* the company that invented > motorcycles, hence it's highly likely that the current and past designs > were based on other motorcyles that came before it..simple nuff for you > to understand glasshoppah? > > The REASON that Harleys are expensive is because (a) the dealers and resellers > sell the motorcycles for WAY above suggested retail..I just read a post in > misc.forsale where some idiot in Wisconson is trying to sell a 1987 *stock* > FLXSTC (suggested retail $14k) with 10k miles for $24,000!!!!...AND > (b) the *demand* for the the HD is higher than production output. HD just > completed a multi-miliion dollar manufacturing and assembly plant to boost > production, in hopes of doubling or tripling production output. According > to HD themselves, the only reason that they didn't do that before is because > they *just* got out of the financial red tape that nearly brought them under > in the late 70's and early 80's. They didn't manufacture more motorcycles > because they COULDN'T, not because they WOULDN'T... > > jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a subject > that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... > > -aki > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > > this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the > > 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the > > Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS > > will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that > > wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > > manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the > > market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > > As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda > > biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at > > the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If > > you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > > Carl > > > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > > > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > > > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > > > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > > > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > > > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > > > of Shadow are your referring to? > > > > > > cheers, > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting > > this. The Sportster > > is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around > > before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the > > same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D > > look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted > > a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap > manufacturer > > s > > H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and > > the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > >
As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow > > you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think > > that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities > > and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > >
Carl > > > >

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG > > after the Shadow > >
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ > > the > >
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > > >

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > >
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, > > but > >
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > >
of Shadow are your referring to? > > > >

cheers, > >
-aki > >
 

> >   > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 16:55:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08707; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02000; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27531 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA13057 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:47:12 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:52:10 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:54:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Dysart@XXXXXX, kosmas19@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sure I remember the Magna, I've ridden one, that and the V-Max too. They're great in a straight line. But the cruiser genre compromises certain areas of performance in the name of style. Suspension action and cornering clearance, to name examples. And V-twin is kinda the name of the game isn't it? Seems Shadows are a lot more popular than Magnas. Joe Nagy >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" - 6/10/98 4:36 PM >>> You think so? Remember the power cruisers called Magna? Its a cruiser with damn good performance. Regardless, what can't you have newer technology on a cruiser? Does the bike have to have a 50 year old design to be a cruiser? Do I have to have my body shaken like hell from a V-twin? Why does a Harley have to be the standard to be a cruiser? my .02 Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > IMHO, discussing performance/technology in relation to cruisers is > irrelevant; Harleys don't break like they useta, and you run the risk of > some old fart on a ten-year-old Ninja blowing you and your hi-tech > Shadow into the weeds anyway. ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 17:02:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08793; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02234; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (known [159.199.101.3] [159.199.101.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27698 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0yjs16-0009iAC; Wed, 10 Jun 98 14:02 PDT Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0yjs0W-000GBYC; Wed, 10 Jun 98 14:02 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.12) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:03 PDT Message-ID: <357EF4DD.5EBBFC89@amdahl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:04:29 -0400 From: Carl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX CC: dysart@XXXXXX, kosmas19@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, The the ElectraGlide Ultra Classic! It's a cruiser that has no engine vibration (rubber mounted) and has all of the performance you would want on a long cruise. Keep in mind cruising by definition is not knee dragging racing. NAGYJ@XXXXXX wrote: > Sure I remember the Magna, I've ridden one, that and the V-Max too. > They're great in a straight line. But the cruiser genre compromises > certain areas of performance in the name of style. Suspension action > and cornering clearance, to name examples. And V-twin is kinda the name > of the game isn't it? Seems Shadows are a lot more popular than Magnas. > > Joe Nagy > >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" - 6/10/98 4:36 > PM >>> > You think so? Remember the power cruisers called Magna? Its a cruiser > with > damn good performance. Regardless, what can't you have newer technology > on > a cruiser? Does the bike have to have a 50 year old design to be a > cruiser? > Do I have to have my body shaken like hell from a V-twin? Why does a > Harley > have to be the standard to be a cruiser? > > my .02 > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > IMHO, discussing performance/technology in relation to cruisers is > > irrelevant; Harleys don't break like they useta, and you run the risk > of > > some old fart on a ten-year-old Ninja blowing you and your hi-tech > > Shadow into the weeds anyway. ;-) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 17:08:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08873; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02341; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27825 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA13265 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:00:42 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:05:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:08:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: cwb10@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dysart@XXXXXX, kosmas19@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Carl, Had one o' those. But I'd call that a touring bike. I think the Road King splits the difference--kinda touring, kinda cruiserish, but still rubber-mounted. All of 'em need a trip to Zipper's for more power . . . >>> Carl - 6/10/98 5:04 PM >>> Joe, The the ElectraGlide Ultra Classic! It's a cruiser that has no engine vibration (rubber mounted) and has all of the performance you would want on a long cruise. Keep in mind cruising by definition is not knee dragging racing. NAGYJ@XXXXXX wrote: > Sure I remember the Magna, I've ridden one, that and the V-Max too. > They're great in a straight line. But the cruiser genre compromises > certain areas of performance in the name of style. Suspension action > and cornering clearance, to name examples. And V-twin is kinda the name > of the game isn't it? Seems Shadows are a lot more popular than Magnas. > > Joe Nagy > >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" - 6/10/98 4:36 > PM >>> > You think so? Remember the power cruisers called Magna? Its a cruiser > with > damn good performance. Regardless, what can't you have newer technology > on > a cruiser? Does the bike have to have a 50 year old design to be a > cruiser? > Do I have to have my body shaken like hell from a V-twin? Why does a > Harley > have to be the standard to be a cruiser? > > my .02 > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > IMHO, discussing performance/technology in relation to cruisers is > > irrelevant; Harleys don't break like they useta, and you run the risk > of > > some old fart on a ten-year-old Ninja blowing you and your hi-tech > > Shadow into the weeds anyway. ;-) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 17:13:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08908; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02465; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (known [159.199.101.3] [159.199.101.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28019 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0yjsBM-0009c7C; Wed, 10 Jun 98 14:13 PDT Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0yjsAm-000GGCC; Wed, 10 Jun 98 14:12 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.12) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:13 PDT Message-ID: <357EF75B.9A0979E4@amdahl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:15:07 -0400 From: Carl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dysart@XXXXXX, kosmas19@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, You got me it is a tourer and the Road King does give you the best of both worlds. As far a Zippers, can't afford their prices but with the government restrictions they could definately use an air cleaner kit and new mufflers to give it the full power of the stock engine. JOE NAGY wrote: > Carl, > Had one o' those. But I'd call that a touring bike. I think the Road > King splits the difference--kinda touring, kinda cruiserish, but still > rubber-mounted. All of 'em need a trip to Zipper's for more power . . . > > >>> Carl - 6/10/98 5:04 PM >>> > Joe, > The the ElectraGlide Ultra Classic! It's a cruiser that has no engine > vibration (rubber mounted) and has all of the performance you would want > on > a long cruise. Keep in mind cruising by definition is not knee dragging > racing. > > NAGYJ@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Sure I remember the Magna, I've ridden one, that and the V-Max too. > > They're great in a straight line. But the cruiser genre compromises > > certain areas of performance in the name of style. Suspension action > > and cornering clearance, to name examples. And V-twin is kinda the > name > > of the game isn't it? Seems Shadows are a lot more popular than > Magnas. > > > > Joe Nagy > > >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" - 6/10/98 > 4:36 > > PM >>> > > You think so? Remember the power cruisers called Magna? Its a > cruiser > > with > > damn good performance. Regardless, what can't you have newer > technology > > on > > a cruiser? Does the bike have to have a 50 year old design to be a > > cruiser? > > Do I have to have my body shaken like hell from a V-twin? Why does a > > Harley > > have to be the standard to be a cruiser? > > > > my .02 > > > > Glenn Dysart > > dysart@XXXXXX > > > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > > IMHO, discussing performance/technology in relation to cruisers is > > > irrelevant; Harleys don't break like they useta, and you run the > risk > > of > > > some old fart on a ten-year-old Ninja blowing you and your hi-tech > > > Shadow into the weeds anyway. ;-) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 18:25:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10295; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04640; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29606 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA10697; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:24:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv2-23.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.87) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010639; Wed Jun 10 17:23:44 1998 Message-ID: <357EC605.7228@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:44:37 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A Bad Day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A man was working on his motorcycle on his patio and his wife was in the house in the kitchen. The man was racing the engine on the motorcycle and somehow, the motorcycle slipped into gear. The man, still holding the handlebars, was dragged through a glass patio door and the motorcycle dumped onto the floor inside the house. The wife, hearing the crash, ran into the dining room, and found her husband laying on the floor, cut and bleeding, the motorcycle laying next to him and the patio door shattered. The wife ran to the phone and summoned an ambulance. Because they lived on a fairly large hill, the wife went down the several flights of long steps to the street to direct the paramedics to her husband. After the ambulance arrived and transported the husband to the hospital, the wife up righted the motorcycle and pushed it outside. Seeing that gas had spilled on the floor, the wife obtained some paper towels, blotted up the gasoline, and threw the towels in the toilet. The husband was treated at the hospital and was released to come home. After arriving home, he looked at the shattered patio door and the damage done to his motorcycle. He became despondent, went into the bathroom, sat on the toilet and smoked a cigarette. After finishing the cigarette, he flipped it between his legs into the toilet bowl while still seated. The wife, who was in the kitchen, heard a loud explosion and her husband screaming. She ran into the bathroom and found her husband laying on the floor. His trousers had been blown away and he was suffering burns on the buttocks, the back of his legs and his groin. The wife again ran to the phone and called for an ambulance. The same ambulance crew was dispatched and the wife met them at the street. The paramedics loaded the husband on the stretcher and began carrying him to the street. While they were going down the stairs to the street accompanied by the wife, one of the paramedics asked the wife how the husband had burned himself. She told them and the paramedics started laughing so hard, one of them tipped the stretcher and dumped the husband out. He fell down the remaining steps and broke his arm. Now THAT is a bad day.. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 19:43:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10931; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05384; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01142 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.45] (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:40:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Fast Rides Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 19:45:04 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >How many commuters (bikes only) spend anywhere even close to a majority >of their attention on what they're doing? I find myself daydreaming as >much on a bike as I would if I were taking Metro.. scary, I know.. Ditto, but given that it's only a two mile ride... Gotta get out more on the weekends for some fun type riding, but at least out here in Waldorf, the roads are more clogged midday Saturday than they are midday Wednesday. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 19:43:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10937; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05391; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01148 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.45] (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:40:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Fast Rides (was Update on Chuck) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 19:45:07 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Kirk Roy'" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I luckily know mine - just ask anyone who went on the first DC Cycles >ride I went on...I stayed WAAAYYYY in the back... I think back then it was more confidence than ability. But, confidence is important, otherwise, you might not push the bike further down whenyou get into a corner hotter than expected, or you have to fight the urge to hit the brakes. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 19:43:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10936; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05389; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01146 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.45] (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:40:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 19:45:10 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >it's my living too! :D your idea sounds perfect. marcy Then submit some logos! If nobody else volunteers, I have some web space unused at the moment. Just email me the logos, and I can post 'em. BTW, glad we have some real designers here. Ya'll would hate to see what I'd come up with. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 19:43:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10943; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05394; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01153 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.45] (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:40:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? -Reply Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 19:45:12 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >My ass does not require shaving thank you. :P -Marcy Oh, you're a Nair type of girl, I take it? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 19:43:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10946; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05400; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01158 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.45] (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:40:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 19:45:15 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Carl" , cc: , , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >By the way AMF is a Japanese company and almost ruined the HD company >before the workers bought it back!!!!! Now there's the most ridiculous damned thing I ever heard. AMF poured scads of cash into HD and forced the company to change it's manufacturing processes from cottage industry handbuilts into mass-produced items. They also began the development work on the Evo's. Speak not, lest ye know what ye speak of. Anecdotes from some wank in a Harley shop doesn't tell what was really going on in the corporation at the time. It's all fine and dandy to blame AMF, as many Harley-isti do, but the other suitors had plans to buy the company and liquidate it. Without AMF, there would be no HD today. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 19:43:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10950; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05380; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01138 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.45] (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:40:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Fast Rides Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 19:45:01 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Thomas W. Zell" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >That's caused by the ultra smoothness of the VFR's V4 motor!! : ) If you fellas (and ladies) really want to sleep on a bike, splay that V4 out until the angle is at a nice natural 180 degrees. Then it's lights out. -George R850R (lil' Boxer) GL1100I (Big Boxer)zzzzzz From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 20:27:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11215; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06020; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01855 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA18139 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357F4EAE.481A@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:27:42 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Whiteside, John" > in other words, a job for Miss Manners, not Bill Gates. > --John Whiteside From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > Unless you're on a Mac ;D Yes and yes ;) My wife pointed out to me the limitations in Mac mouse buttons. Mea culpa. But surely there has to be a way....? Where is Miss Manners when you need her? JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 20:29:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11247; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06043; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01902 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA18202 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357F4F5C.701D@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:30:37 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Brian's New Address Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He wrote (or else I hallucinated ;) > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work Brian, Whoa! What I wanna know is, did they make you cut your hair ? Or is this one of those civvy contract gigs? Be all that you can be bro' ;) -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 20:59:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11526; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06741; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02455 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19008 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357F5660.1A8E@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:00:32 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Fast Riding [Was: Update on Chuck] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all, I think everyone made some real interesting and provocative comments. Kirk, Tom and Anita come to mind... I'm sorta sensitive to the discussion because I think I should have been more clear with Chuck, and I wasn't. Tom's point - to sum up - is basically, we're responsible for our own behaviour. Zbig seems to want more explication given. Anita leans more toward Zbig, but is willing to deal. I like all these perspectives to tell you the truth. I don't know what the right answer is. Why? Because we're dealing with human behaviour. I'm gonna tell a guy 20 years _my_ senior that this ride may be too hot for him? Nah, I don't think so. When you're dealing with twenty year olds, yeah you might be able to get away with that. Anyway, I think my point is that each situation needs to be read for what it is, i.e. to take an existential approach. (Gotta love Sartre, you can get along with everyone in any situation, right? ;) OK - a little update on Chuck. I went to visit him yesterday. Suburban in Bethesda is a zoo (his words not mine, but I agree ;). He's sharing a room with a 400 lb guy who fell on a shoppping cart with metal rod exposed - into his stomach. He's asking _me_ if I think he should sue? (!!) Sheesh. Plus Chuck says the guy sounds like he's gonna die of respiratory failure when he sleeps. I left Chuck my earplugs so _he_ can :) - sleep that is, (c'mon you guys...!) Anyway, he might need a transfusion, there could be infection, and he has to have his knee drained (internal bleeding). Definitely sounds like a drag. I'll update the list in a couple of days. He should be home in a few days though. But no pressure on the leg for three months! I also want to say that he was touched by how many of y'all - total mofo strangers for the most part - asked about him. That is VF cool in my book! Thanks a lot you guys. JK N.B. I also wish to acknowledge that there was far less BS to wade through tonight. Looks like I don't need to give any Cut/Paste lessons after all! Well, maybe one of y'all... ;) Ciao. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 21:22:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11649; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06924; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA02795 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-217-159.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.217.159]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18920; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980610212123.0068fc74@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:21:23 -0400 To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Brian's New Address In-Reply-To: <357F4F5C.701D@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" He did cut it!! Can you believe it!! It looks so nice!! [this is Jeannette using Tom's computer] : ) - Jeannette At 08:30 PM 6/10/98 -0700, John C. Kozyn wrote: >He wrote (or else I hallucinated ;) > >> Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >> US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >> Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > >Brian, > >Whoa! > >What I wanna know is, did they make you cut your hair ? Or is this one >of those civvy contract gigs? > >Be all that you can be bro' ;) >-- >John Kozyn >"Nihil humani a me alienum puto" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 22:23:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12117; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08008; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03861 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA23096; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357F69E6.4FFE@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:23:50 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas W. Zell" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Brian's New Address References: <3.0.1.32.19980610212123.0068fc74@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas W. Zell wrote: > > He did cut it!! Can you believe it!! It looks so nice!! > [this is Jeannette using Tom's computer] : ) Hey Jeannette, Whoa... Whatever happened to that non-conformist, long-hair, gun-totin', motorcyclin', Montana-individualistic ethic that Brian seemed to epitomize...? Ah, 't is a sad day in Helena... ;) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 22:37:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12271; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08797; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04217 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7XEIa12330; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:35:46 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:35:46 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Don't be silly. I wax. :P In a message dated 98-06-10 19:45:12 EDT, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Oh, you're a Nair type of girl, I take it? >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 22:38:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12276; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08869; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04243 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7HFEa08707; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:36:28 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <2c1b6931.357f42ad@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:36:28 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, RWestbrook@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 your wish is our command!!! ;D In a message dated 98-06-10 19:45:16 EDT, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << BTW, glad we have some real designers here. Ya'll would hate to see what I'd come up with. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 22:40:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12293; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08995; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04285 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7PIJa26052; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:38:28 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <9aa0fcb2.357f4325@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:38:28 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fast Rides Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I find riding to work, I have to force myself NOT to daydream .... I can feel my eyes glazing over .... yikes! But those lovely cage-commuters trying to make it to work one second earlier and nearly killing me by cutting me off in the process usually serve to wake me up ....... Marcy In a message dated 98-06-10 19:47:13 EDT, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << I find myself daydreaming as >much on a bike as I would if I were taking Metro.. scary, I know.. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 22:48:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12373; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09554; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04470 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:47:26 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id RDZJa22588; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:41:17 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:41:17 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Well, speaking as one who has a PC at home and a Mac in the office I can only say that the ways of the cult of Mac are many and mysterious but are and always have been by far superior to those of the PC .............. ;D or maybe that's the graphic designer in me speaking........ :D Marcy In a message dated 98-06-10 20:31:05 EDT, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: << My wife pointed out to me the limitations in Mac mouse buttons. Mea culpa. But surely there has to be a way....? >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 23:14:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12592; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12616; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known vulture.wheatintl.com [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05167 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana ([38.241.229.209]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 906; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:12:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980610231232.0082eb80@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:12:45 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Better watch it JinnSinn, you will get flamed for being "off-topic" ! LOL. I have to deal with macs and PCs as a tech support for my company, and I have to say that cut and paste (and maybe Photoshop) are the only things I have found better on a mac! At 10:41 PM 6/10/98 EDT, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >Well, speaking as one who has a PC at home and a Mac in the office I can only >say that the ways of the cult of Mac are many and mysterious but are and >always have been by far superior to those of the PC .............. > >;D > >or maybe that's the graphic designer in me speaking........ >:D >Marcy > >In a message dated 98-06-10 20:31:05 EDT, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: > ><< My wife pointed out to me the limitations in Mac mouse buttons. Mea > culpa. But surely there has to be a way....? >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 23:40:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12725; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13998; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05677 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17923; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:35:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:28:01 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Bar end weights To: Kirk Roy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <359d8462.89846793@mailgate.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:24:16 +45722824 (EDT), "Gil M. Nissley" > wrote: > >Two ideas for you.Try different handlebars;if you didn't have to > >put as much weight on your wrists,your hands would do better. > Yeah, this gets into some pretty pricey stuff (they're clip-ons not > tubular) and the stock Hawk bars are really quite upright. You could check out Gen-Mar(sp?) risers.They advertise in the back of the big moto mags.They're machined alum blocks that act as spacers between the clip-on's and their mounts.They'll raise your bars an inch or two. > >Or try a set of those gel gloves.They've got gel in the palms to soak > >up vibes.You could use the regular ones or get large fingerless > >ones and wear them over your regular gloves. > Are these sold in moto shops? I've considered getting to the bicycle > store and getting some... I've never seen them in a shop,but I've seen them in a couple catalogs.Competition Accessories and Dennis Kirk,I think. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 10 23:43:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12744; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14099; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05744 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17936; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:38:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:35:43 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D7467AD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I like that idea! : ) ...to cover up a case of helmet hair? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 00:06:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13275; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15913; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06272 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA18275; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:01:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:00:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: A Bad Day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357EC605.7228@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Ken wrote: (snip) > Now THAT is a bad day.. Nope.That was an urban legend. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 00:35:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13545; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16773; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06765 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.47] (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:31:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bar end weights Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 00:36:36 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "Kirk Roy" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Have gotten Olympia gel gloves (under their name and one other) at HD of Wash., Atlantic Cycle, Coleman, and Morton's BMW. Priced at $30, $10 extra for the bar and shield (it was the only pair of gloves we could find that would fit her majesty). ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 00:36:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13555; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16787; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06786 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA18421; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:32:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:30:49 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, George Howell wrote: > Takes time for cylinders to bed in. Takes many BMW's about 10000 miles > before they stop consuming oil. And let's not forget that a single > anecdote does not a good analysis make. Actually,a good bit of the oil loss is from the crankcase breather system.A couple companies make breather valves that supposibly fix this. > As for primitive engine tech. Well, part of the point of the harley is > that you gotta work on it to get it to do what you want. Given the choice between 20 valves and a chain,or hydraulic lifters and a belt,I'll stay primitive,thank you. > And as far as high revving. I agree with you. I like revvy engines. But, > again, different strokes... 70-some-odd ft/lbs of torque with only about 465lbs of weight,who needs to rev? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 00:44:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13614; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16865; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06854 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA18446; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:39:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:32:29 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357EF75B.9A0979E4@amdahl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Carl wrote: > As far a Zippers, can't afford their prices but with the government > restrictions they could definately use an air cleaner kit and new mufflers > to give it the full power of the stock engine. Don't blame the gov't,blame the HD faithful.My Buell makes planty of power,but there's no way they could make the breadbox aircleaner and Midas muffler fly on a Harley.Style's the word.Gotta have the round aircleaner and staggered duals. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 01:32:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13882; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17258; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07430 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.46] (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:28:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a - Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 01:33:50 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Don't blame the gov't,blame the HD faithful.My Buell makes planty of >power,but there's no way they could make the breadbox aircleaner and >Midas muffler fly on a Harley.Style's the word.Gotta have the round >aircleaner and staggered duals. Saw some carbon cans on a Valkyrie. Don't see why they wouldn't look okay on a Big Twin, especially in one of the ones with both exhausts on the same side. The breadbox OTOH.... There's gotta be some way they can get the flow without resorting to that. BTW, are you one of those lucky souls whose legs don't rest uncomfortably on the breadbox? Didn't really notice it when I rode the M2. Too busy trying to find that middle ground between wheelie and stoppie. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 01:32:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13883; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17262; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07434 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.46] (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:28:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 01:33:53 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Actually,a good bit of the oil loss is from the crankcase breather >system.A couple companies make breather valves that supposibly fix >this. Geez, and I thought it was just to sell a new chromed bauble. Seriously. >> As for primitive engine tech. Well, part of the point of the harley is >> that you gotta work on it to get it to do what you want. > > Given the choice between 20 valves and a chain,or hydraulic lifters >and a belt,I'll stay primitive,thank you. My brother pissed and moaned because the new Vette is still a cam in block design. My father and I said "well, that might be, but look at the results". >> And as far as high revving. I agree with you. I like revvy engines. But, >> again, different strokes... > > 70-some-odd ft/lbs of torque with only about 465lbs of weight,who >needs to rev? Ahh, but that's on a Buell (and, possibly, an XL). Not the Big Twins. IMNSHO, I'd have to say that the XL1200S is the best bike (for my tastes) that HD is currently making. I've always liked the XLs more than the rest (although the new Tour Glide is a good looking bike). Hopefully with HD buying out most of Erik Buell's stock, they will take the time to fix some of the problems that you and others have been having. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 02:52:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA14452; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA17620; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08399 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client196-111-68.bellatlantic.net [151.196.111.68]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id CAA14729 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357F7E67.91E2B44D@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:51:19 -0400 From: Andrew Lewis Reply-To: pellaz@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The best bike Harley makes (IMHO) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is the FLSTF (Fat Boy) I'd buy one, but I dont have 20 grand lying around. Until then, I'll stay on my Shadow. (Although I think the Yamaha Royal Star is pretty sweet too...) Andrew Lewis 1994 VT600CDR (Shadow 600 Deluxe) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 03:38:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA14826; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA17833; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08912 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA19923; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:34:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:08:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, George Howell wrote: > > Don't blame the gov't,blame the HD faithful.My Buell makes planty of > >power,but there's no way they could make the breadbox aircleaner and > >Midas muffler fly on a Harley.Style's the word.Gotta have the round > >aircleaner and staggered duals. > Saw some carbon cans on a Valkyrie. Don't see why they wouldn't look okay > on a Big Twin, especially in one of the ones with both exhausts on the > same side. Ahh,_you_ don't see.I said _the HD faithful_.These are the same people who would rather have a springer front end than a set of cartridge forks, and who put multiple 4 or 6 pot calipers on the rear disk.In fact,I think they even dropped carbon fiber from the Dashinator lineup(a line of gas tank dash inserts). > The breadbox OTOH.... There's gotta be some way they can get > the flow without resorting to that. BTW, are you one of those lucky souls > whose legs don't rest uncomfortably on the breadbox? Didn't really notice > it when I rode the M2. Too busy trying to find that middle ground between > wheelie and stoppie. Actually the breadbox isn't a problem since you have to keep your leg outboard to prevent the rear header from cooking it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 03:50:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA14878; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA17892; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA09029 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA19963; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:45:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:34:29 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, George Howell wrote: > Hopefully with HD > buying out most of Erik Buell's stock, they will take the time to fix > some of the problems that you and others have been having. Bwah-ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha! Can you say,'tax write-off'?I've been trading e-mails with Court Canfield at Buell and have gotten zip.He'll be more than happy to send you pictures of all the new S1 color combos,but hasn't been any help in doing anything about my real probs.Hell,he's under the impression that I still have the S2,despite reading my review and sig file. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 06:31:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15822; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19104; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10718 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:36:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , kosmas19@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a Sh adow... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:36:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) You think so? Remember the power cruisers called Magna? Its a cruiser with damn good performance. Regardless, what can't you have newer technology on a cruiser? Does the bike have to have a 50 year old design to be a cruiser? Do I have to have my body shaken like hell from a V-twin? Why does a Harley have to be the standard to be a cruiser? my .02 Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > IMHO, discussing performance/technology in relation to cruisers is > irrelevant; Harleys don't break like they useta, and you run the risk of > some old fart on a ten-year-old Ninja blowing you and your hi-tech > Shadow into the weeds anyway. ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 06:56:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15900; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19184; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10895 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:50:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:49:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Actually,a good bit of the oil loss is from the crankcase breather system.A couple companies make breather valves that supposibly fix this. I don't care what the problem is. For that much money I shouldn't have to seek an after market fix to stop it. Given the choice between 20 valves and a chain,or hydraulic lifters and a belt,I'll stay primitive,thank you Belts are nice but they can't handle the power a chain can. Given the right chain (a Tsubuki) there is very little maintenance. Besides a little lube here and there I may have adjusted it once for the 8,000 miles its been on there. And with the right lube (Pro Honda) it doesn't fly off either. Hydraulic lifters are nice but they can be very noisy and rob power from the engine. 70-some-odd ft/lbs of torque with only about 465lbs of weight,who needs to rev? What, are you driving a tractor trailer here? Torque is nice as long is there isn't too much of it. Remember for speed you want more horsepower not torque. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil M. Nissley [SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 8:31 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! > > On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, George Howell wrote: > > Takes time for cylinders to bed in. Takes many BMW's about 10000 miles > > before they stop consuming oil. And let's not forget that a single > > anecdote does not a good analysis make. > > > > As for primitive engine tech. Well, part of the point of the harley is > > that you gotta work on it to get it to do what you want. > > Given the choice between 20 valves and a chain,or hydraulic lifters > and a belt,I'll stay primitive,thank you. > > > And as far as high revving. I agree with you. I like revvy engines. But, > > > again, different strokes... > > 70-some-odd ft/lbs of torque with only about 465lbs of weight,who > needs to rev? > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 07:37:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16119; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19365; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11253 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:37:39 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D4C@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: New Motorcycles.. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:36:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, if RoadRacing World is anywhere close to being accurate, I want the new Norton that's due out in 1999... how are these for stats... 1500cc v8, 280bhp, 110foot lbs of torque, dry weight somewhere in the mid 400s and estimated top speed of 225mph. The frame, fork sliders (with brake calipers cast into the same molding) and swingarm of thin walled magnesium.. Actually, it looks as if Norton's going to try and make a comeback al-la Triumph style.. with talk of over 100bhp singles, and the various other assortment of speedy technology. Oh yea, then there was that GSXR1500 with estimated top speed of 217mph... and as part of the article said - we'll believe it when we see it - but if Norton's bikes are anywhere even CLOSE to their claims, we'll be happy. Brian McCoy P.S. - had a good nap riding my 35 miles to work this morning... only had to semi-wake up 3 or 4 times for direction adjustments... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 07:52:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16179; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19489; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11447 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id HAA28905; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma028862; Thu, 11 Jun 98 07:51:43 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:53:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'George Howell'" , JinnSinn@XXXXXX, RWestbrook@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Designers (was RE: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats?) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:53:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since everyone is mentioning that they are graphic designers, this seems like a good time to mention that I am always looking for good designers to handle freelance projects. The ideal people have experience doing collateral, ads, and web graphics for high tech companies. Also, if any of you happen to do interactive stuff (i.e. Director) we may be needing that soon too. I have one primary designer who I'm really pleased with but I like to have others for when we have tons of work or when we have a project where different strengths are needed. So, drop me a line with contact info if you are such a person. (Also be warned: I am super super busy right now so you probably won't hear from me right away, but I will think of you when I have some time to breathe. If you have an online portfolio that's even better (big hint to those of you who don't - we marketing managers love to see that!). Back to our regularly scheduled moto talk... -- John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 7:45 PM To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX; RWestbrook@XXXXXX; DC Cycles Subject: Re: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? >it's my living too! :D your idea sounds perfect. marcy BTW, glad we have some real designers here. Ya'll would hate to see what I'd come up with. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 07:54:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16190; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19501; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11472 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id HAA29078; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma029038; Thu, 11 Jun 98 07:53:45 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:55:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Designers are a different breed. I have yet to meet a good designer who was not either a Mac user or deeply resented being forced to use a PC... -- John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 11:13 PM To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX; jckozyn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Better watch it JinnSinn, you will get flamed for being "off-topic" ! LOL. I have to deal with macs and PCs as a tech support for my company, and I have to say that cut and paste (and maybe Photoshop) are the only things I have found better on a mac! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 07:55:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16203; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19516; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11486 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust019.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.19]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA18746 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:55:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980611075335.00683c6c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:53:35 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Fast Rides At 22:38 10-06-98 EDT, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >I find riding to work, I have to force myself NOT to daydream .... I can feel >my eyes glazing over .... yikes! But those lovely cage-commuters trying to >make it to work . . . If you ride to the left side of the lane and look into the right side window, you can get a great view of some of those lovely cage-commuters. Friday when the dress codes are relaxed provide some very nice viewing. - oh, that wasn't what you meant, was it? ;-) Leon. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 07:56:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16218; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19542; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11508 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id EAA26149; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id EAA26580; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id EAA10460; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:55:45 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id EAA10437; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:55:39 -0700 Received: by hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD94F5.699EE000@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:57:19 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'Babs the Diva'" , "'Bill Courtney - Insight'" , "'Bob bates - work'" , "'Bryan Taccino'" To: "'Clara Yang'" , "'Collin - work'" , "'Dale - jokes'" , "'Helen Surfus'" , "'Jay - CBR 600'" , "'Jeannette O'Brien'" To: "'John W - ZX11'" , "'Jon - British'" , "'Mike - Ninja ZX 6'" , "'Pepo'" , "'Peter Gilbert'" , "Singh, Reeta" To: "'Sam from India'" , "'Win(nie the Pooh) - Insight'" Subject: HUMOR: DC Joke of the Day Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:50:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 YOU KNOW YOU'VE LIVED TOO LONG IN DC WHEN.... 1. When out-of-towners bring up Marion Barry, you feel somewhat defensive. 2. You like visiting Baltimore because you think it's ethnic and, well... kind of cool. 3. You know someone who lives in Annandale. 4. You fantasize about knocking over all the tourists who stand on the left on Metro escalators. 5. You have an opinion on the renovation of Eastern Market or the Construction of the WWII Memorial, or worse yet, have given money to one of the sides. 6. You know all the words to the Redskins Fight Song. 7. You not only would argue vociferously that DC deserves a baseball team, you can easily present logical arguments about why the past two Senators teams leaving the city don't count. 8. You know someone who was actually raised in or around Washington. 9. You can navigate the George Washington Parkway from Alexandria to the Key Bridge, without going over the Memorial Bridge by mistake. 10. All your out-of-town guest has to say are the words "can you take us to see the monuments at night," and you'll run screaming from the room. 11. You can drive across the mall without noticing the museums, the monuments, or the Capitol. 12. You know how to find a book in the Library of Congress. 13. Forget naming the Cabinet Secretaries, forget being friends with at least a handful of Schedule C people; you know where just about every famous person likes to eat lunch, where they work out, and where they get their hair done. 14. If you need to go to some random Metro station you've never been at before (say, for example, Twinbrook or PG Plaza), you can put the right amount of money on your farecard while barely glancing at the confusing and conflicting information in the station. 15. You remember any of the following: Pentagon City before the mall; Millie & Al's before it became a travesty; Adams Morgan when it was cool; Georgetown when it was safe; Hechingers, Garfinkels, Woodies, People's Drugs, or just about any bank other than NationsBank and First Union; the "burgeoning" U Street Corridor; Pennsylvania Avenue as an excellent means to get from downtown to Georgetown; the annex to the Post Office Pavillion; or living, breathing stores on the block between 10th & 11th, E and F, NW. 16. You can't read the Post, because you know the truth behind the front page stories better than they do, or at least you know enough to see how slanted their reporting is. 17. Somewhere in some long forgotten drawer, you have a "Statehood Now" button. 18. You can take Rock Creek Parkway from Georgetown to East-West Highway, or you can successfully get on to Connecticut or 16th Street (north of the Tunnel) at the exit point of your choice. 19. 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M=V+_! "U@DTB*E0<<2# `0! 5!`' ``0```!P```!$0TI/5$0@*$1#($IO:V4@;V8@=&AE($1A>2D``@%Q M``$````;`````;V4PP8EN3IO]OFN$=&AO@" 7\'<^P`A`#T``0````$`````````"P`I```` M```+`",```````(!?P`!````40```#QC/553)6$]051434%)3"5P/4%45"5L M/4A114Y'7TU31S R+3DX,#8Q,3$Q-3 R.%HM,CDS.4!H<2UM Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29590 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806111210.IAA29590@shell.clark.net> Subject: Deals Gap harrassment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:10:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I found a story of more harassment on Deals Gap. Luckily nothing like this happened to the DC-Cycles Gang. http://users.multipro.com/deadbolt/gap.html Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 08:22:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16399; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19962; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (known www.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.251]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11920 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA20587; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [161.253.18.42] ([161.253.18.42]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13009; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D4C@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:19:52 -0400 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" From: "Charles L. Rosen" Subject: Re: New Motorcycles.. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Well, if RoadRacing World is anywhere close to being accurate, I want >the new Norton that's due out in 1999... how are these for stats... >1500cc v8, 280bhp, 110foot lbs of torque, dry weight somewhere in the >mid 400s and estimated top speed of 225mph. The frame, fork sliders >(with brake calipers cast into the same molding) and swingarm of thin >walled magnesium.. Actually, it looks as if Norton's going to try and >make a comeback al-la Triumph style.. with talk of over 100bhp singles, >and the various other assortment of speedy technology. They are so full of shit, words can not due it justice. What they want are suckers who believe their hyperbole, and will then invest $$$$$$ into the company. I recommend you hang onto your current steed Brian. Otherwise save up for an RC45 or similiar REAL bike. Sorry, the pessimistic, cynical, nasty New Yorker still leaves in me. ---------------------------------- Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Neurological Surgery George Washington University 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20037 page: (202) 994-3321 email: crosen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 08:22:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16403; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19979; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11933 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:22:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Motorcycles.. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:22:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >> 1500cc v8, 280bhp, 110foot lbs of torque, dry weight somewhere in the >> mid 400s and estimated top speed of 225mph. ... > This sounds more like some British motorcyclists wet dream. I too will > believe it when I see it. You mean Norton would pull the old IBM trick of announcing something revolutionary at a time when they had little or nothing but their competitors had just brought out something tashty, all in a ploy to get people not to buy the other guy's stuff while IBM scrambled to get with the program? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 08:39:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16481; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20203; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12154 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D4E@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Motorcycles.. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:37:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You'd have to read the article for yourself, but if I remember correctly, Norton's already got a working prototype that could be on the production line in a couple of months - as well as new fincial backing from someone here in the U.S. - their claims may be REALLY optomistic.. but if the bikes are even HALF of what's claimed, I think they'll be pretty amazing. Other things from a bad memory - the engine was developed with a lot of assistance from a F1 engine designer, fuel injection, argh.. I con't remember anything else.. I read it as I was falling asleep last night. -----Original Message----- You mean Norton would pull the old IBM trick of announcing something revolutionary at a time when they had little or nothing but their competitors had just brought out something tashty, all in a ploy to get people not to buy the other guy's stuff while IBM scrambled to get with the program? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 08:52:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16587; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20326; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12343 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-102.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.102]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10276; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980611085211.006ee270@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:52:11 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It's the graphic designer.... : ) -Tom At 10:41 PM 6/10/98 EDT, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >Well, speaking as one who has a PC at home and a Mac in the office I can only >say that the ways of the cult of Mac are many and mysterious but are and >always have been by far superior to those of the PC .............. > >;D > >or maybe that's the graphic designer in me speaking........ >:D >Marcy > >In a message dated 98-06-10 20:31:05 EDT, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: > ><< My wife pointed out to me the limitations in Mac mouse buttons. Mea > culpa. But surely there has to be a way....? >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 08:55:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16606; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20348; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.arl.mil (known stinger.arl.mil [131.218.32.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12379 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lotus Notes by mail.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 0003B4AF; Thu, 11 Jun 98 08:53:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:53:26 -0400 Message-ID: <0003B4AF.NE21372@mail.arl.mil> From: jkboyd@XXXXXX (Kevin Boyd) Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Reply Just a few ramblings about cruisers!! The first Japanes bike I consider to be a cruiser was the Kawasaki 900 LTD. Does anybody know if there were others before this bike? Although I don't really care for the current cruiser style I thought the 900 LTD was a pretty good looking bike. Kawasaki built a whole group of LTDs after the 900, from the 400 on up to the 1100 Spectre. Also, Yamaha came out with the Maxims which were decent looking bikes (Didn't they make two sizes of Midnight Maxims?). What were Suzuki's inline four cruisers called? I don't think Honda ever came out with an inline 4 cruiser. Wasn't Hondas first attemp at a cruiser the Magna which was a V4? Anyway, what I liked about the original Jap cruisers was they had fairly powerful engines, plus there was a boat load of high performance parts available for the Kaw's and Suzukis and they were easy to modify. Unfortunately the Japanese decided to follow Harley's route and go with V twins. Personally I think if the the Japanese had stuck with powerful 4 cylinders they could have created their own nitch in the cruiser market, instead they are always giong to be considered Harley clones (a Kawasaki cruiser based on a bored out ZX11 engine would be wild, say a 1300 LTD). Yamaha did come out with a powerful 4 cylinder cruiser, the VMAX, and Kawasaki followed with the Eliminator but at the time these were called Muscle Bikes. I guess the class of motorcycles called muscle bikes never really took off so now the VMAX is considered a cruiser. By the way, what was the first Japanes V twin cruiser? What about Brit bikes. Did any of the British companies ever make a cruiser? Sorry but all this talk of cruisers has me reminiscing. Take it easy! Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 09:04:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16682; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20493; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12519 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-102.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.102]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29717; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980611090347.006eeff8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:03:47 -0400 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: HUMOR: DC Joke of the Day In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Now that's pretty scary... GEEZ I've been here too long!! -Tom At 04:50 AM 6/11/98 -0700, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > YOU KNOW YOU'VE LIVED TOO LONG IN DC WHEN.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 09:23:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16925; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20700; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13051 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Thu Jun 11 08:04 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA28494 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:23:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD951A.9984FDC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:23:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Deals Gap Incident Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:23:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take a look a the following web page & see if you think it's legitimate: (My interpretation wouldn't do it justice) http://users.multipro.com/deadbolt/gap.html If it is, I'm about ready to take up arms! John Carver 703 713 7458 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 09:29:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17003; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20768; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13175 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-102.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.102]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00314; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980611092912.006f7508@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:29:12 -0400 To: dsundquist@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Outrage at Deal's Gap Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just read a report about the sting operation conducted by the Tennesse Highway Patrol and the Blount County Sherrif's Department and I must say that I am totally outraged by this act. I used to think that Tennesse was a nice state to visit, but I can assure you that I will not be stepping one foot into your state. I have taken many trips with my family there but no more. As a fellow motorcyclist I feel that this is an attack on myself as well as motorcyclists all over the world. I was under the impression that the Nazi's were defeated in World War II, but I can see now that they are alive and flourishing in your NOT so great state. Sincerely, Thomas W. Zell Arlington, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 09:38:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17096; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20844; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13367 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA16853 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:30:46 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:35:43 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:27 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Is true. A Twin Sports 883 makes a lot more power than a stocker, and the only engine parts they can change is air cleaner and pipe. -snip- > restrictions they could definately use an air cleaner kit and new mufflers > to give it the full power of the stock engine. Don't blame the gov't,blame the HD faithful.My Buell makes planty of power,but there's no way they could make the breadbox aircleaner and Midas muffler fly on a Harley.Style's the word.Gotta have the round aircleaner and staggered duals. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 09:38:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17101; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20853; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13385 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deals Gap harrassment Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Gotta wonder about this one. Any statute that provides for imprisonment and is written such that any two moving motorcycles on the same road, not doing anything else unlawful (e.g. speeding), are claimed to be drag racing, sounds like an obvious "unconstitutionally vague". Somewhere, somehow, there is bullshit involved in this one. Should be interesting to find out where. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 8:11 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Deals Gap harrassment > > I found a story of more harassment on Deals Gap. Luckily nothing like > this happened to the DC-Cycles Gang. > > http://users.multipro.com/deadbolt/gap.html > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 09:55:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17304; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21212; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13666 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 395; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:55:27 -0400 Message-ID: <357FE1C8.B4E010EA@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:55:20 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Harleys References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > IMNSHO, I'd have to say that the XL1200S is the best bike > (for my tastes) that HD is currently making. I've always liked > the XLs more than the rest (although the new Tour Glide is a good > looking bike). The Sporties are ok, but I think they'd be a little small for me, seating position wise. Not sure, never been on one. But I've always been partial to the Dyna Convertibles myself. I like the removeable windshield (which I would probably toss) and the hard bags (keepers). Then I read that it had the most conservative steering geometry and highest cornering clearance of the big twins (translating into a bike that can corner) and that further elevated this bike on my want list. Someday. When I'm rich and eccentric. Can't wait. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:06:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17441; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21644; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13962 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WSNNa22301 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8cc6c7d3.357fe427@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:05:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sideswiped Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I'm riding along Pennsylvania Ave this morning, smack in the center of my lane, watching the stop & go traffic ahead of me so I don't rear-end anyone and end up practicing flips in the air, when I hear a sound from behind me ...... BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR it's an engine revving pretty darn high and by the sound of it, getting closer pretty darn quick. Before I can even check my mirrors this PERSON in a large black shiny car is on my right, halfway in my lane, his vehicle LESS THAN 3 INCHES AWAY from my right knee. He passes, then cuts me off, then stops directly in front of me at the red light. I experience a huge adrenaline rush (which is still with me as I write this by the way), pull up next to his driver's side window (which was open) and yelled, "You almost KILLED me you idiot! You were two inches away from me!" He looks up, face registers shock at seeing a chick on the bike and says only, "I wasn't gonna hit you." His car was marked with a sign that said "WH Senate Shuttle #8" I'm going to find out who his boss is and let them know ...... ahhhhhh adrenaline - the natural high. I can't get any work done! LOL Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:06:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17449; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21673; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13973 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 180; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:06:56 -0400 Message-ID: <357FE478.DFAF005A@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:06:48 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Boyd CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Early Cruisers References: <0003B4AF.NE21372@mail.arl.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Boyd wrote: > > Just a few ramblings about cruisers!! > Although I don't really care for the current cruiser style > I thought the 900 LTD was a pretty good looking bike. I had a Kawasaki 78 KZ 1000 LTD, and yes, they looked pretty sharp (well, mine didn't, but I must have looked sharp once :-) > I don't think Honda ever came > out with an inline 4 cruiser. No, they had the Honda 900C which was a shaft-drive cruiser with 10 speeds (really! a low and high range, coupled with a 5 speed tranny) They looked really neat too. Early 80's I think, maybe even late 70's. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:07:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17453; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21688; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13981 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA17060 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:59:35 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:04:33 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:07:20 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: Deals Gap Incident -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I e-mailed the guy and asked him if the AMA knew about this. He said he was contacting them. So if it didn't happen, he's sticking to his story . . . which is very scary. Joe Ninja, AMA, Goochland Co., VA >>> "Carver, John" - 6/11/98 9:23 AM >>> Take a look a the following web page & see if you think it's legitimate: (My interpretation wouldn't do it justice) http://users.multipro.com/deadbolt/gap.html If it is, I'm about ready to take up arms! John Carver 703 713 7458 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:17:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17530; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22052; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14224 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:11:57 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 11 Jun 1998 10:11:53 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 11 Jun 1998 10:11:53 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0726C357FE5A9016-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0726C357FE5A9016 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0726C357FE5A9016*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 11 Jun 1998 10:11:53 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), "Carver, John" (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Deals Gap Incident Message-Id: <0726C357FE5A9016*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I read the report about the incident. Based on what this guys says it sounds pretty bad; however, before everyone starts sending e-mails to the governor they should try to find out if the incident actually occurred as this guy claims. To me it sounds suspicious. I would assume that there are three versions of the truth 1. What is reported on the webpage 2. What was reported by the police 3. And finally, what actually happened. ---------- From: Carver, John[SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 9:35 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Deals Gap Incident Take a look a the following web page & see if you think it's legitimate: (My interpretation wouldn't do it justice) http://users.multipro.com/deadbolt/gap.html If it is, I'm about ready to take up arms! John Carver 703 713 7458 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:24:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17570; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22454; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (known lmmail.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14439 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.89]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 231; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:20:39 -0400 Message-ID: <0bc001bd9544$cbe7c200$59111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: , Subject: Re: Sideswiped Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:25:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 MuthaFukka!!!! Yeah, maybe he had it under control, and *maybe* he knew what he was doing, but that's no excuse for scaring the SHIT out of you!!! I hope you ream his puny ass! Take a breather, take stock in your immediate person, and do a mantra or two... You're OK, life's OK, and the work'll get done eventually. No worries. Breathe... Amy >"You almost KILLED me you idiot! You were two inches away from me!" He >looks up, face registers shock at seeing a chick on the bike and says only, "I >wasn't gonna hit you." > >His car was marked with a sign that said "WH Senate Shuttle #8" >I'm going to find out who his boss is and let them know ...... > >ahhhhhh adrenaline - the natural high. I can't get any work done! LOL > >Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:27:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17609; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22632; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14494 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:22:10 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 11 Jun 1998 10:22:10 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 11 Jun 1998 10:22:10 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 009FF357FE812013-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 009FF357FE812013 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <009FF357FE812013*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 11 Jun 1998 10:22:10 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), "Mersch, Tom" (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Deals Gap harrassment Message-Id: <009FF357FE812013*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I've got to agree with you on this one! ---------- From: Mersch, Tom[SMTP:merscht@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 9:48 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deals Gap harrassment Gotta wonder about this one. Any statute that provides for imprisonment and is written such that any two moving motorcycles on the same road, not doing anything else unlawful (e.g. speeding), are claimed to be drag racing, sounds like an obvious "unconstitutionally vague". Somewhere, somehow, there is bullshit involved in this one. Should be interesting to find out where. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 8:11 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Deals Gap harrassment > > I found a story of more harassment on Deals Gap. Luckily nothing like > this happened to the DC-Cycles Gang. > > http://users.multipro.com/deadbolt/gap.html > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:40:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17742; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23606; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14765 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA02149; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA02485; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:37:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980611143756.KCUS20104@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:37:56 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "HSTA" , "CBR List" Subject: GPS Speed indicator Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:37:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd9546$8515f520$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I've been using the GPS (Garmin III) in the car the last few days while the bike is in the shop. The speed indicated on the GPS was running fairly consistently at 10% below the speed indicated on the speedo of the bike. In the car, the GPS is either spot on or 5% higher than the car speedo. I do get different readings at the same speed, so I think the built in inaccuracy is rearing it's ugly head. I can also check the speed a lot more often in the car than the bike, so I didn't notice any variations in the difference with the bike. So, all this leads me to believe that the bike speedo is for crap, the car speedo might be reasonably accurate and the GPS is an interesting tool that may raise more questions that I would like. It appears that the only way to reconcile this data, is to have both speedos calibrated. Or possibly, using one of those bicycle computers? It's kinda like having three watches and still not knowing the correct time. Any comments or thoughts?? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:45:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17815; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23772; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dol.net (known mail.dol.net [204.183.91.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14934 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358012DB.9F15E214@dol.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:24:43 -0700 From: Wayne Graybeal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , cwb10@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D32@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mine's better than yours wayne McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > It seems that aki misses bickering with the Queen of bickering... Eh, > aki... it's all fun and games till someone looses and eye.. :-) > > Brian McCoy > > -----Original Message----- > > jeezus, I just HATE snot nosed little brats prattling on about a > subject > that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever... > > -aki > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:45:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17819; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23780; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dol.net (known mail.dol.net [204.183.91.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14943 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35801444.D887EEC7@dol.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:30:44 -0700 From: Wayne Graybeal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl CC: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dysart@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply References: <357EE7A8.858DEAA8@amdahl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit amf kept hd in the motorcycle business folks! wayne Carl wrote: > Once again showing your ignorance. The "Harley leak" is the way that they > used to oil the chain. If you want to see a bike that leaks try the old > Triumphs. I owned 2 of them in the 60's and although I loved the bikes > they both leaked from the time they were brand new. Obviously you haven't > ever met anyone that owns a HD and rides it regularly like I do. All of > the regular riders are quite happy with the reliablility of the HD bikes. > By the way AMF is a Japanese company and almost ruined the HD company > before the workers bought it back!!!!! > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > ..actually the greatest thing that HD did was the Evo > > engine...they're *much* more reliable, are not prone to > > the infamous "Harley leak"...and as far as the electrics and > > whatnot, once HD started outsourcing the electrics (Japanese), > > and suspensions (also Japanese), the electrics and ride > > have improved considerably...not to mention the carburation > > systems (also Japanese), and well, the tires (also Japanese)... > > > > I don't know of anyone who owns a recent model HD that's very > > happy with it's relability, even though there *are* quirks that > > HD should have fixed out of the factory (HP for one, and some > > mechanical probs for another, but then again the performance > > aftermarket for HD's is a big $$ industry).. ;-) > > > > cheers, > > -aki > > > > > Not just price wise... how about reliability wise? > > > > > > Glenn Dysart > > > dysart@XXXXXX > > > > > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > > > > > > > > > > example of the Softail and XLH clones and yes I agree that they'll > > > > never be Harleys but then again, maybe that's a good thing, price > > > > wise, for all of us. > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:48:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17852; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23848; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15042 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:45:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 10:50:49 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Ahh,_you_ don't see.I said _the HD faithful_.These are the same people >who would rather have a springer front end than a set of cartridge forks, Ridiculous, as we all know that telelever front ends are the perfect suspension mechanism, even better than an Earle's fork setup:) Seriously, as I understand it, the springer front has less stiction. At slow speeds (around the A&W parking lot) that might be better. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:48:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17856; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23857; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15048 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:45:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 10:50:53 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Thomas W. Zell" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I've been reading the reports on the IBMWR list for about two days. First, some of the facts aren't quite right. Second, these were four guys on sport bikes. You mean to tell me they weren't breaking any laws while riding the Dragon? Yeah, right. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:48:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17860; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23863; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15055 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:46:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: New Motorcycles.. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 10:50:56 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Brian, It's a non-running prototype. They have some mockups of the engine, but nothing real. The horsepower claims are made by doubling the amount they have from the four cylinder engine that is being paired up on a common crank to make the eight. One of the companies that has a hand in this current Norton used to make F1 engines (or frames, can't remember). FWIW, this is NOT the Norton that has the road racer with the rotax/aprilia/bmw engine. IMHO, that is the incarnation of Norton that will succeed. This other outfit... They don't have much. These prototypes are it. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:48:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17865; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23891; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15066 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:48:40 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA27650 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:47:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199806111447.AA27650@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:47:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:47:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:47:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:44:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357EE7A8.858DEAA8@amdahl.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > Once again showing your ignorance. The "Harley leak" is the way that they > used to oil the chain. If you want to see a bike that leaks try the old > Triumphs. I owned 2 of them in the 60's and although I loved the bikes > they both leaked from the time they were brand new. Obviously you haven't > ever met anyone that owns a HD and rides it regularly like I do. All of > the regular riders are quite happy with the reliablility of the HD bikes. ..actually, I made a typo and I apologize..the sentence should of read: "I don't know of anyone who owns a recent model HD that's *not* very happy with it's relability, even though there *are* quirks that..etc" ..so on that point I agree...and again I apoligize for that typo...everyone I know that owns a a recent model HD are very happy with it's reliablity, but I'm sure as in any product, there will be bad apples, but the majority of HD products are much better than they have been in the past. however, I'm not sure where you got the idea that AMF was a Japanese company. So before I put my foot in my mouth, I gave them a call in their Richmond headquarters...this is what they said... They are a 100% American owned and operated company..always have been. Goldman Sachs now (indirectly) owns them and they went public on the U.S. Stock Exchange in 1997 (trade symbol PIN), however they have never been in part or indirectly owned or controlled by any foreign interest. ..also I want to apoligize for my error in for the advent of the 883, it is true that the 883 came out LONG before the Shadow...my ignorance in the history of the 883 showed..the XL (and 883) predates the 60's. The original 883 (I believe), had an iron cast block. The more well known and more popular version of the 883 as most of us are familiar with was the Evo 883 Sportster and that in my ignorance was what I had referred to in earlier posts. cheers, -aki > By the way AMF is a Japanese company and almost ruined the HD company > before the workers bought it back!!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:50:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17897; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23931; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.amsinc.com (known relay1.amsinc.com [162.70.103.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15121 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:49:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by relay1.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id KAA13608 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256620.0051BC48 ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:52:46 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256620.0050C3BD.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:44:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=m76vB7hRHdAJJQrF5a53z6AmUZ6jy1tm8Unp31V2EyblBWfT078QlBih" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=m76vB7hRHdAJJQrF5a53z6AmUZ6jy1tm8Unp31V2EyblBWfT078QlBih Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Suzuki's inline 4 cruisers had the "L" designation, just as Kawasaki had the "LTD"...I used to own a KZ 550 LTD, which was a great starter bike, and my current GS 750 L is pretty smooth (though heavy as a boar). I can't stand the stepped seat, though...If I don't find a buyer for the bike my next move is to have the seat reupholstered with a less-drastic "step". -Doug (Embedded image moved jkboyd@XXXXXX (Kevin Boyd) to file: 06/11/98 08:53 AM pic04974.pcx) To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply Just a few ramblings about cruisers!! The first Japanes bike I consider to be a cruiser was the Kawasaki 900 LTD. Does anybody know if there were others before this bike? Although I don't really care for the current cruiser style I thought the 900 LTD was a pretty good looking bike. Kawasaki built a whole group of LTDs after the 900, from the 400 on up to the 1100 Spectre. Also, Yamaha came out with the Maxims which were decent looking bikes (Didn't they make two sizes of Midnight Maxims?). What were Suzuki's inline four cruisers called? I don't think Honda ever came out with an inline 4 cruiser. Wasn't Hondas first attemp at a cruiser the Magna which was a V4? Anyway, what I liked about the original Jap cruisers was they had fairly powerful engines, plus there was a boat load of high performance parts available for the Kaw's and Suzukis and they were easy to modify. Unfortunately the Japanese decided to follow Harley's route and go with V twins. Personally I think if the the Japanese had stuck with powerful 4 cylinders they could have created their own nitch in the cruiser market, instead they are always giong to be considered Harley clones (a Kawasaki cruiser based on a bored out ZX11 engine would be wild, say a 1300 LTD). Yamaha did come out with a powerful 4 cylinder cruiser, the VMAX, and Kawasaki followed with the Eliminator but at the time these were called Muscle Bikes. I guess the class of motorcycles called muscle bikes never really took off so now the VMAX is considered a cruiser. By the way, what was the first Japanes V twin cruiser? What about Brit bikes. Did any of the British companies ever make a cruiser? Sorry but all this talk of cruisers has me reminiscing. Take it easy! 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I went a bit ballistic at him so he wouldn't open his window. : ( - Jeannette > >"You almost KILLED me you idiot! You were two inches away from me!" > He > >looks up, face registers shock at seeing a chick on the bike and says > only, > "I > >wasn't gonna hit you." > > > >His car was marked with a sign that said "WH Senate Shuttle #8" > >I'm going to find out who his boss is and let them know ...... > > > >ahhhhhh adrenaline - the natural high. I can't get any work done! LOL > > > >Marcy > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 10:57:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17966; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24579; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15344 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:57:06 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D50@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: New Motorcycles.. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:55:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One of the companies that has a hand in this current Norton used to make F1 engines (or frames, can't remember). FWIW, this is NOT the Norton that has the road racer with the rotax/aprilia/bmw engine. IMHO, that is the incarnation of Norton that will succeed. This other outfit... They don't have much. These prototypes are it. I was under the impression that it WAS the same company. The rotary engined road racer was a project that got left for dead in 92 when they ran out of money - same company with new funding found in Minnesota (lotta rich people who like/endorse motorcycles in that area of the US.. Polaris, HD's close by, I think one of the Ducati investers is from there and no Norton investors too?). Now I remember what had to working prototype.. it was the ASP - a Bimota-esq bike with telelevar center hub front steering, and a FZR1000 engine... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:03:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18029; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24843; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.amsinc.com (known relay1.amsinc.com [162.70.103.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15502 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:03:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by relay1.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id LAA14344 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256620.0052F38A ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:06:02 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256620.005298E5.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:02:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=LCZx2FLRfZv09kxaLwLOw8Lk35WfZtGenAKzdzujdOMCtCey6NV7iPbr" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=LCZx2FLRfZv09kxaLwLOw8Lk35WfZtGenAKzdzujdOMCtCey6NV7iPbr Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline So it would be completely out-of-the-question to see the leading link front suspension from a Ural on a fatboy, eh? ;-) heh heh heh -Doug (Embedded image moved George Howell to file: 06/11/98 10:50 AM pic12829.pcx) To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows > Ahh,_you_ don't see.I said _the HD faithful_.These are the same people >who would rather have a springer front end than a set of cartridge forks, Ridiculous, as we all know that telelever front ends are the perfect suspension mechanism, even better than an Earle's fork setup:) Seriously, as I understand it, the springer front has less stiction. 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> wayne Glad to see I'm not the only one who didn't let romanticism get in the way of fact. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:03:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18037; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24848; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15506 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.34] (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:01:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GPS Speed indicator Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 11:05:57 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Any comments or thoughts?? First, bike speedos are crap. Second, car speedos are crap, but not as big a pile as bike speedos. Third, it might not work now, but eventually, the GPS speedos will be spot on. How else can big brother get your speeding info relayed to him when OBDIII becomes reality. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:05:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18134; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24886; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15545 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07607 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:06:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21303 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806111504.LAA21303@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: GPS Speed indicator To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <000001bd9546$8515f520$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> from "Linda Tanner" " at Jun 11, 98 10:37:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > So, all this leads me to believe that the bike speedo is for crap, the car > speedo might be reasonably accurate and the GPS is an interesting tool that > may raise more questions that I would like. It appears that the only way to > reconcile this data, is to have both speedos calibrated. Or possibly, using > one of those bicycle computers? Interesting observations. I've been using Tom Mersch's Garmin III for the past 4 weeks. (He just wrenched it from my still clutching hands a few days ago) It seemed to be staying pretty even when I used it on my motorcycle at a steady speed, and match pretty well when I would go near one of those signs that tell you your speed. (never did use it in the cage) As for the bicycle computer, I have one (Sigma 700), but since I plan to get my own Garmin, I won't be installing it. The one thing (from the directions) you need to keep an eye on with the bicycle computers is your tire circumference. You need to try to get it as accurate as possible, or it throws everything off. Anyone want to buy an unused Sigma BC700, plus a rear wheel mount? (not that I'd mount it on the rear wheel of a motorcycle, but it gives more wire length in case you plan on any wheelies or stuff) Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:09:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18255; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25037; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.amsinc.com (known relay1.amsinc.com [162.70.103.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15701 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:09:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by relay1.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id LAA15077 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256620.00537C65 ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:11:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256620.0052F40B.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:10:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=7Tc9KaOwdCn4EkEvHXhhSoiKiDQpgRYzHnLJCweLDx0w7Dd4ci7DPhft" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=7Tc9KaOwdCn4EkEvHXhhSoiKiDQpgRYzHnLJCweLDx0w7Dd4ci7DPhft Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ...and I didn't think it was "the workers" that brought the company back...I know there's a book on this...but I believe in the mid to late 80s the company contracted a consulting firm to redesign the business and production processes at HD...previously there'd be like one guy who worked on a part, and then would walk it over to another building, go back, work on another part, walk that to another building, etc. They also worked out the quality issues (so the assembly workers didn't have to hammer on the parts to make 'em fit, etc.). I think it was the company's smart business sense, in addition to the *spirit* of the workers (and not necessarily their innovative ideas on production) that pulled the company out of the downward spiral. If anyone's interested I can find out the name of the book I'm referencing here. -Doug (Embedded image moved aki.damme@XXXXXX to file: 06/11/98 10:44 AM pic09458.pcx) To: cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply > Once again showing your ignorance. The "Harley leak" is the way that they > used to oil the chain. If you want to see a bike that leaks try the old > Triumphs. I owned 2 of them in the 60's and although I loved the bikes > they both leaked from the time they were brand new. Obviously you haven't > ever met anyone that owns a HD and rides it regularly like I do. All of > the regular riders are quite happy with the reliablility of the HD bikes. ..actually, I made a typo and I apologize..the sentence should of read: "I don't know of anyone who owns a recent model HD that's *not* very happy with it's relability, even though there *are* quirks that..etc" ..so on that point I agree...and again I apoligize for that typo...everyone I know that owns a a recent model HD are very happy with it's reliablity, but I'm sure as in any product, there will be bad apples, but the majority of HD products are much better than they have been in the past. however, I'm not sure where you got the idea that AMF was a Japanese company. So before I put my foot in my mouth, I gave them a call in their Richmond headquarters...this is what they said... They are a 100% American owned and operated company..always have been. Goldman Sachs now (indirectly) owns them and they went public on the U.S. Stock Exchange in 1997 (trade symbol PIN), however they have never been in part or indirectly owned or controlled by any foreign interest. ..also I want to apoligize for my error in for the advent of the 883, it is true that the 883 came out LONG before the Shadow...my ignorance in the history of the 883 showed..the XL (and 883) predates the 60's. The original 883 (I believe), had an iron cast block. 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Based on what this guys says it > sounds pretty bad; however, before everyone starts sending e-mails to the > governor they should try to find out if the incident actually occurred as > this guy claims. To me it sounds suspicious. I was suspicious after reading it as well. I went ahead and sent an e-mail to the hotmail address (free, easily anonymized e-mail) yesterday and actually got a reply. I was at Deals Gap for the first time this past weekend. North of the overlook (with a few corners still left) there was a van, then a 2-stroke Kawi or something, then a 900SS in front of me. The bikes weren't passing the van so I finally got tired of it and passed them all. The guy who was riding with (behind) me apparently was honking like crazy at me when I made the pass. There was a cop behind him. The cop had to have seen me pass the 3 other vehicles (which were going 15-20 mph, FWIW). Well, he never came after me, even on the straight stretches of road where I was running the speed limit (waiting for the buddy who was going at 'lead-a-cop' pace). Of course, my experience was a complete contrast to the alleged events on that web page... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:11:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18287; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25136; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15803 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980611145227.5434.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.34.158.16] by send1d; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:52:27 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:52:27 -0700 (PDT) From: James Campbell Subject: Re: digest into cruiser morph To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey. After the discussion of the Sportster thing and all the talk of crashes, I figured I'd lighten the subject matter a bit. I morphed the list header logo (appears to be a sport/touring bike of some sort) I changed it to a cruiser -- just for fun. ` __ ' `==|=====( )=====|==' __| |___| |__ ( | |---| | ) \_| |___| | _/ ' | | | | ' ==|_| | | |_|== \| |/ | | `|___|' I guess I'll see if it comes out lookin 'OK. Ride what you like. Ride what you can afford. Ride safe. And BTW, when I'm riding my HD and wave at you riding your non-HD, don't look so shocked. Wave back. I waved at a guy on a GoldWing the other day, and he just stared at me like I was smoking crack. Sarge -> '98 Fat Boy _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:19:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18351; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25575; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15996 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806111519.LAA15996@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A52518A02C0; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:17:57 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:14:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fast Rides (was Update on Chuck) In-Reply-To: <199806101651.MAA20497@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19980610121836.006e0730@pop.mindspring.com> <199806101442.KAA16325@XXXXXX> <199806092103.RAA01678@XXXXXX> <3.0.1.32.19980609081256.01072b10@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 12:18 PM 6/10/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>Hey... what are we all doing here? If the person in front of you were to >>ride of a cliff would you follow? I don't think so. If a person wishes to >>ride with someone let them... one should know their own limitations. At 12:51 PM 6/10/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >My point was only that I prefer NOT to go on a ride that is going to be >very fast. Yes, I know that I could bring up the rear and ride at my own >pace (and have done so in the past). But even if there is not overt >pressure to keep up (and there usually isn't), I'd prefer to ride with a >slower group. ... >Group rides have a very peculiar dynamic and I don't think it's as simple >as saying "anyone should be able to go on any ride." I agree. I've been the fastest, the slowest, and in between on various rides over the years. I've also felt that pit-in-the-stomach feeling as I rode back to find missing riders and saw people pulling a bike out of the ditch. I think everyone has to be reminded to ride their own ride, that riders should remember that stories get better over time ("There I was at 130 mph when I split between the two parked cars") and that riders should match their rides with their riding abilities. Mixing sport riders and cruisers, or fast-movers and slow-movers, or newbies and seasoned riders, is just not a great idea. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:19:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18352; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25577; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15999 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806111519.LAA15999@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A52618A02C0; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:17:58 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:16:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: RE: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We'll need some proof of that. Please send http:// address where the pictures are posted. Chris Norloff ********************************************************************* At 02:05 PM 6/10/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >My ass does not require shaving thank you. :P -Marcy > >In a message dated 6/10/98 11:40:15 AM, merscht@XXXXXX wrote: > ><< >Awww please, people. Just shave your ass and paint a bike on it.>> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:23:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18397; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25860; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16067 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client196-111-4.bellatlantic.net [151.196.111.4]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id LAA18959; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357FF529.674FEC6A@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:18:01 -0400 From: Andrew Lewis Reply-To: pellaz@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Boyd CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply References: <0003B4AF.NE21372@mail.arl.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Boyd wrote: > Just a few ramblings about cruisers!! > > What were Suzuki's inline four cruisers called? I don't think Honda ever came > out with an inline 4 cruiser. Wasn't Hondas first attemp at a cruiser the > Magna which was a V4? > Anyway, what I liked about the original Jap cruisers was they had fairly > powerful engines, plus there was a boat load of high performance parts > available for the Kaw's and Suzukis and they were easy to modify. Unfortunately > the Japanese decided to follow Harley's route and go with V twins. Personally I > think if the the Japanese had stuck with powerful 4 cylinders they could have > created their own nitch in the cruiser market, instead they are always giong to > be considered Harley clones (a Kawasaki cruiser based on a bored out ZX11 > engine would be wild, say a 1300 LTD). The Honda Valkyrie is a six cylinder cruiser. Andrew 94 Shadow VLX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:26:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18443; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26058; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16154 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806111526.LAA16154@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6B33C0039C; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:24:35 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:26:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC Cycles Logo? Hats? -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Now that's a real PITA! Chris Norloff ******************************************************* At 10:35 PM 6/10/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >Don't be silly. I wax. >:P > >In a message dated 98-06-10 19:45:12 EDT, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: > ><< Oh, you're a Nair type of girl, I take it? >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:26:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18447; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26065; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16159 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:26:03 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA00499 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:25:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199806111525.AA00499@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:25:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:25:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:25:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:23:37 -0400 Subject: RE: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a Sh adow... -Reply -Reply To: Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kosmas19@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I have two 85 Magnas...the 700 and the V65..(the V45 was a 750)... oddly the 700 Magna put out *more* bhp (at 500rpm more) than the 750 did (83bhp vs 81bhp) and the V65 (1100cc), puts out 111.5bhp... yes they *do* have alot of raw hp however, they cannot, because of their cruiser design, compete with any decent sport bike for cornering. However, on a straight run, they are very competitive.. -aki > You think so? Remember the power cruisers called Magna? Its a cruiser with > damn good performance. Regardless, what can't you have newer technology on > a cruiser? Does the bike have to have a 50 year old design to be a cruiser? > Do I have to have my body shaken like hell from a V-twin? Why does a Harley > have to be the standard to be a cruiser? > > my .02 > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > IMHO, discussing performance/technology in relation to cruisers is > > irrelevant; Harleys don't break like they useta, and you run the risk of > > some old fart on a ten-year-old Ninja blowing you and your hi-tech > > Shadow into the weeds anyway. ;-) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:27:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18457; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26131; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16199 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:22:52 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 11 Jun 1998 11:22:51 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 11 Jun 1998 11:22:51 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 049F6357FF64B018-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 049F6357FF64B018 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <049F6357FF64B018*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 11 Jun 1998 11:22:51 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: Dc-Cycles (IPM Return requested), HSTA (IPM Return requested), CBR List (IPM Return requested), Linda Tanner (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: GPS Speed indicator Message-Id: <049F6357FF64B018*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> That's why I gave up wearing watches. The speedo on my bike, (F3 like yours) runs about 10% above most car speedos. I've haven't heard of many bike speedos that are correct. I guess the manufacturers are trying to keep us from getting too many speeding tickets. ---------- From: Linda Tanner[SMTP:linda.tanner@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 10:55 AM To: Dc-Cycles; HSTA; CBR List Subject: GPS Speed indicator It's kinda like having three watches and still not knowing the correct time. Any comments or thoughts?? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:29:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18472; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26201; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16250 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA00701 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:28:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199806111528.AA00701@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:28:00 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:28:00 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:28:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:25:38 -0400 Subject: Re: digest into cruiser morph To: army_sergeant@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980611145227.5434.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME saaayyy..that looks more like a Valkyre to me...damn Jap clones.. ;-) -aki > Hey. After the discussion of the Sportster thing and all the talk of > crashes, I figured I'd lighten the subject matter a bit. I morphed > the list header logo (appears to be a sport/touring bike of some sort) > I changed it to a cruiser -- just for fun. > > ` __ ' > `==|=====( )=====|==' > __| |___| |__ > ( | |---| | ) > \_| |___| | _/ > ' | | | | ' > ==|_| | | |_|== > \| |/ > | | > `|___|' > > I guess I'll see if it comes out lookin 'OK. > Ride what you like. Ride what you can afford. Ride safe. And BTW, when > I'm riding my HD and wave at you riding your non-HD, don't look so > shocked. Wave back. I waved at a guy on a GoldWing the other day, and > he just stared at me like I was smoking crack. > > Sarge -> '98 Fat Boy > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:29:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18476; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26208; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known [206.135.160.194] [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16254 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:22:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:27:45 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: nohd@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply >amf kept hd in the motorcycle business folks! > wayne "Glad to see I'm not the only one who didn't let romanticism get in the way of fact." Just like when a professional athletic team is having a good year (or decade), all the H-D bozos have come out of the woodwork recently to hop on the band-wagon and ride the gravy train for pride and glory now that things are going well. Please folks, let's not forget AMF or the die-hard masochists WHO BOUGHT AMF's unreliable, oil-leaking, bucket of bolts pieces of junk back in the late 70s and early 80s AND KEPT AMF IN BUSINESS through H-D's darkest hours. If it wasn't for AMF and the old die-hard loyalist customers of its days, THERE WOULDN'T BE A REVITALIZED, MUCH IMPROVED H-D TODAY for everyone to defend and gush over. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:34:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18526; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26525; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16382 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806111534.LAA16382@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8A92D6803BE; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:33:00 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:36:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: New Motorcycles.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:22 AM 6/11/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: > >> 1500cc v8, 280bhp, 110foot lbs of torque, dry weight somewhere in >the > >> mid 400s and estimated top speed of 225mph. ... > > > This sounds more like some British motorcyclists wet dream. I too >will > > believe it when I see it. > > You mean Norton would pull the old IBM trick of announcing something >revolutionary at a time when they had little or nothing but their >competitors had just brought out something tashty, all in a ploy to get >people not to buy the other guy's stuff while IBM scrambled to get with the >program? Old IBM trick, current Microsoft trick. Commonly called FUD (Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:34:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18527; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26523; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16379 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806111534.LAA16379@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8AC2D6803BE; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:33:00 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:35:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Deals Gap harrassment In-Reply-To: <199806111210.IAA29590@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:10 AM 6/11/98 -0400, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >I found a story of more harassment on Deals Gap. Luckily nothing like >this happened to the DC-Cycles Gang. > >http://users.multipro.com/deadbolt/gap.html I read this on a BMW list, and am curious for some independent confirmation. Yes, it could all be true, but the Internet is a great place for broadcasting hoaxes and tall tales. That said, it's not surprising that local law enforcement would want to discourage motorcyclists - it's seldom one hears about Deals Gap without hearing about all the latest wrecks. Somehow the squidly sportbike rider/wreckers never seem to recognize that their actions reflect back on them and other motorcyclists. donning flame suit, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:49:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18788; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27454; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16902 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA25577 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:49:17 -0400 Message-ID: <357FFC59.D0E3F1DC@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:48:41 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: GPS Speed indicator References: <000001bd9546$8515f520$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Selective degradation of the signal changes the speeds by up to about 3 mph. You can watch this happen by turning it on and watching your speed change as you sit still in one spot. The speedo on my bike is broken, so the only one I have is the GPS. I've used the bicycle speedo's, they're quite accurate but do have some lag time (as do the other methods) and most aren't lighted at night. A cheap easy way to check speed for those without these expensive toys is a stop watch. Speed in mph is equal to 3600 divided by number of seconds to go 1 mile. If you go a different distance, (ie .1 mile,) multiply the answer by the distance. Now you have three ways to get a different answer than the LEO. :-) Linda Tanner wrote: > > I've been using the GPS (Garmin III) in the car the last few days while the > bike is in the shop. The speed indicated on the GPS was running fairly > consistently at 10% below the speed indicated on the speedo of the bike. In > the car, the GPS is either spot on or 5% higher than the car speedo. I do > get different readings at the same speed, so I think the built in inaccuracy > is rearing it's ugly head. I can also check the speed a lot more often in > the car than the bike, so I didn't notice any variations in the difference > with the bike. > > So, all this leads me to believe that the bike speedo is for crap, the car > speedo might be reasonably accurate and the GPS is an interesting tool that > may raise more questions that I would like. It appears that the only way to > reconcile this data, is to have both speedos calibrated. Or possibly, using > one of those bicycle computers? > > It's kinda like having three watches and still not knowing the correct time. > > Any comments or thoughts?? > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:53:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18912; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27601; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17121 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256620.00578D20 ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:56:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256620.00576994.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:56:15 -0400 Subject: RE: Deals Gap Incident Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The cop had to have seen me pass the 3 other vehicles (which were going 15-20 mph, FWIW). Well, he never came after me, even on the straight stretches of road where I was running the speed limit (waiting for the buddy who was going at 'lead-a-cop' pace). He must have either been late for the donut shop or he already made his quota for the day. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 11:55:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18974; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27710; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17235 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA28651; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:54:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA23773; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:54:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980611155456.KRAD20104@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:54:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sideswiped X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980611155456.KRAD20104@[166.41.242.141]> Oh boy! It's time for a relateable! I remember this well because it was about two weeks after I bought my combat touring boots. I was still riding my Shadow (not a HD anything) then. Listen up boyz and grrlz, this may save yer butt while riding in DC. When approaching an intersection that allows two lanes to turn left (usually the center has an option to go straigt), always choose the leftmost lane. I learned this one day while perched in the center lane waiting for the light at Penn & 19thNW. Light changed and I move forward and begin my turn. I instantly feel the cage tire against my boot and look to see some IDIOT in the left lane trying to go straight!! My adrenal reaction? Quickly pull in front, stop and off the bike. Screaming at the BDC and pointing at the OBVIOUS green arrow light in HIS lane. Even if he couldn't read english, this is too obvious. Fist on his hood, back on bike and leave. Adrenaline indeed.....wheew! Todd JinnSinn wrote: >I'm riding along Pennsylvania Ave this morning, smack in the center of my >lane, watching the stop & go traffic ahead of me so I don't rear-end anyone >and end up practicing flips in the air, when I hear a sound from behind me >...... BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR it's an engine revving pretty darn high and by From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 12:10:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19239; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28586; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17811 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA00477; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA17005; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980611160936.DXTN7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:09:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "Thomas W. Zell" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980611160936.DXTN7401@[166.41.242.141]> >I've been reading the reports on the IBMWR list for about two days. >First, some of the facts aren't quite right. Second, these were four guys >on sport bikes. You mean to tell me they weren't breaking any laws while >riding the Dragon? Yeah, right. A rather presumptive and snooty BMW position to take George. As if BMWs hadn't been targeted in the past (Spartenburg). Sort of like, "These four kids had guns. You mean to tell me they weren't shooting at people in the liquer store?" I can make an assumption that there was some speeding going on and that even, maybe, some double yellow behaviour. Does the punishment fit the crime? Who witnessed the crime? Is the only basis for the conviction the fact that these guys were riding motorcycles, uh, I mean 'sport bikes'? What were the 'facts' anyway? Unless these guys were just completely f**king up everywhere, the punishment doesn't fit. I've been to Deals Gap twice. Both times the THP had a road block up and were checking licenses. Even though they are withen their legal right to do so, I'm not comfortable with that sort of scrutiny. I don't think I'll go back there, and that's just what they want. Fine. Whatever. Just don't come across like, 'well maybe they deserved it'. Those guys didn't deserve that sort of punishment. Maybe one day you might find yourself in an unjust position, and will understand. Take a trip down there and experience it firsthand and you'll know what I mean. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 12:21:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19316; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28775; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18054 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ykA61-0000pu-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:21:02 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D7467F0@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , George Howell Cc: "Thomas W. Zell" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:19:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I have a friend who lives in Knoxville and he told me he'd heard about the cops cracking down up there...before the riding season even began there was word of a crackdown, so I'd be inclined to believe there was some truth to it.... When ya smell bacon... ; ) - Jeannette > What were the 'facts' anyway? Unless these guys were just completely > f**king up everywhere, the punishment doesn't fit. > > I've been to Deals Gap twice. Both times the THP had a road block > up and were checking licenses. Even though they are withen their > legal right to do so, I'm not comfortable with that sort of scrutiny. > I don't think I'll go back there, and that's just what they want. > > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 12:48:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19846; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29240; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19122 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806111648.MAA19122@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AA0BA50192; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:47:10 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:35:32 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Sideswiped In-Reply-To: <8cc6c7d3.357fe427@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:05 AM 6/11/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >Before I can even check my >mirrors this PERSON in a large black shiny car is on my right, halfway in my >lane, his vehicle LESS THAN 3 INCHES AWAY from my right knee. He passes, then >cuts me off, then stops directly in front of me at the red light. ... >His car was marked with a sign that said "WH Senate Shuttle #8" >I'm going to find out who his boss is and let them know ...... Good! If road ragers knew they'd get reported, and something would be done about it, maybe they'd keep themselves under control. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 13:06:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20049; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29544; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19553 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:05:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kosmas19@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sportsters and their shadows was Re: Friend looking for a Sh adow... -Reply -Reply Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:05:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Obviously I was never considering cornering as what I meant by performance. What I meant was engine performance. I know what a good sport bike can do in the corners (that's why I want one ;-), braking and everything else. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I have two 85 Magnas...the 700 and the V65..(the V45 was a 750)... > > oddly the 700 Magna put out *more* bhp (at 500rpm more) than the > 750 did (83bhp vs 81bhp) and the V65 (1100cc), puts out 111.5bhp... > > yes they *do* have alot of raw hp however, they cannot, because of > their cruiser design, compete with any decent sport bike for cornering. > > However, on a straight run, they are very competitive.. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 14:02:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20745; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00485; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.arl.mil (known stinger.arl.mil [131.218.32.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21264 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lotus Notes by mail.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 0003BF6B; Thu, 11 Jun 98 13:58:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:59:27 -0400 Message-ID: <0003BF6B.NE21372@mail.arl.mil> From: jkboyd@XXXXXX (Kevin Boyd) Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply To: Andrew Lewis Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Reply Forgot about the Valkerie. One thing for sure, its a big bike with it's own style. Andrew Lewis on 06/11/98 11:18:01 AM To: jkboyd@XXXXXX cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Kevin Boyd/arl) Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply Kevin Boyd wrote: > Just a few ramblings about cruisers!! > > What were Suzuki's inline four cruisers called? I don't think Honda ever came > out with an inline 4 cruiser. Wasn't Hondas first attemp at a cruiser the > Magna which was a V4? > Anyway, what I liked about the original Jap cruisers was they had fairly > powerful engines, plus there was a boat load of high performance parts > available for the Kaw's and Suzukis and they were easy to modify. Unfortunately > the Japanese decided to follow Harley's route and go with V twins. Personally I > think if the the Japanese had stuck with powerful 4 cylinders they could have > created their own nitch in the cruiser market, instead they are always giong to > be considered Harley clones (a Kawasaki cruiser based on a bored out ZX11 > engine would be wild, say a 1300 LTD). The Honda Valkyrie is a six cylinder cruiser. Andrew 94 Shadow VLX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 14:04:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20787; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00538; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.arl.mil (known stinger.arl.mil [131.218.32.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21347 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lotus Notes by mail.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 0003BF9E; Thu, 11 Jun 98 14:02:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:03:05 -0400 Message-ID: <0003BF9E.NE21372@mail.arl.mil> From: jkboyd@XXXXXX (Kevin Boyd) Subject: Re: Early Cruisers To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Reply I forgot about the 900C. I know a couple of people who had them and they were pretty decent bikes. I always wanted to ride one to see what the high and low speed trans was all about. Dale Horstman on 06/11/98 10:06:48 AM To: Kevin Boyd/arl@arl cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Early Cruisers Kevin Boyd wrote: > > Just a few ramblings about cruisers!! > Although I don't really care for the current cruiser style > I thought the 900 LTD was a pretty good looking bike. I had a Kawasaki 78 KZ 1000 LTD, and yes, they looked pretty sharp (well, mine didn't, but I must have looked sharp once :-) > I don't think Honda ever came > out with an inline 4 cruiser. No, they had the Honda 900C which was a shaft-drive cruiser with 10 speeds (really! a low and high range, coupled with a 5 speed tranny) They looked really neat too. Early 80's I think, maybe even late 70's. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 14:08:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20845; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00622; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21465 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20631 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10964 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806111808.OAA10964@shell.clark.net> Subject: For those days... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:08:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text For those days when you feel like you are close to being road kill out on the streets, just think of this poor guy. http://home.swbell.net/jack_t/roadkill.htm Note: While I don't find the image gross or gory, there is a dead animal involved. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 14:24:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21151; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00985; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22197 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:24:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sideswiped (LONG, SOAPBOXY) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:24:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hmmm, doesn't seem like road rage, which involves actual anger (driver would probably have reacted with shouting of his own when confronted) but rather like just plain stupidity. Similar to the mentality / response to requirements shown by bike messengers -- if I can squeeze through, I can get there a little bit sooner per squeeze. Not a good idea. But the fact that he does not seem to have acted enraged, and jinnsinn did, brings up an important point. I'm drawing only from personal experience (including the relating of jinnsinn's recent event), but I suspect road rage is just a label used to place blame on the wrong side of an issue. Stories of road rage rarely involve just one vehicle. I remember the time a Washington area busybody forced a long line of traffic to do less than the posted limit on Rock Creek Parkway (flashing his flashers, tapping his brakes, and looking at me in the rearview to see my reaction -- I waved at him and gave him the looney sign). When we got to a place where we could legally pass him, we did. HE blew his horn and flashed his headlights at everyone who dared to go faster than him. Poor baby had lost his opportunity to control everyone else (and no, there was no speed trap upcoming nor have I every seen one in this particular area). I didn't treat his behavior gently, and neither did the other people he was trying to control. By the standards of normal human intelligence, we were merely the symptom, the busybody was the problem. But if it were known that HE had not exceeded the speed limit, and we had, I'm sure we would have been labeled road ragers. I kept thinking, if I had done something similarly busybodied as a kid, wouldn't my parents have told me I was the one doing wrong? Probably just after a good smack? Yep. Or if swift justice had been administered by the victim of my busybodiedness, would the folks have supported me and perhaps tried to label the victim a bad child? Nope. If we gave the "road rage" guidelines to the people around jinnsinn and the dummy in the car, I wonder who would be labeled the road rager, the stupid driver of the car or the violently reacting driver of the motorcycle? He doesn't seem to have been angry, only jinnsinn was exhibiting anger. I think jinnsinn, the victim, would get the label. Who should be blamed for the problem? The stupid driver in the car. Next time you hear "road rage", take a good whiff. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 12:36 PM > To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sideswiped > > At 10:05 AM 6/11/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > >Before I can even check my > >mirrors this PERSON in a large black shiny car is on my right, halfway in > my > >lane, his vehicle LESS THAN 3 INCHES AWAY from my right knee. He passes, > then > >cuts me off, then stops directly in front of me at the red light. > ... > >His car was marked with a sign that said "WH Senate Shuttle #8" > >I'm going to find out who his boss is and let them know ...... > > Good! If road ragers knew they'd get reported, and something would be > done > about it, maybe they'd keep themselves under control. > > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 14:35:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21375; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01176; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22613 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D51@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Mobile 1 MC web site.. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:32:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This came through another e-mail list.. thought someone here might be interested.... http://www.mobil.com/consumer/mobil1/mobil1/motorcycle.html Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 14:43:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21491; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01364; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22843 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806111843.OAA22843@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A50AC20192; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:42:18 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:46:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Sideswiped (LONG, SOAPBOXY) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:24 PM 6/11/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: >Hmmm, doesn't seem like road rage, which involves actual anger (driver would >probably have reacted with shouting of his own when confronted) but rather >like just plain stupidity. Similar to the mentality / response to >requirements shown by bike messengers -- >if I can squeeze through, I can get there a little bit sooner per squeeze. >Not a good idea. But the fact that he does not seem to have acted enraged, >and jinnsinn did, brings up an important point. Agreed that as a new (created) term, "road rage" could mean lots of things. It's often used to mean the angry driver, which fits some times. I use road rage to mean the person in the aggressive or attacking mode, whether or not they are visibly "enraged" or not. Someone tailgating, weaving, cutting people off, nearly sideswiping someone - they're the 'ragers' whether they're clueless or driving with one finger in the air. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 14:51:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21715; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01472; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23304 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ykCRK-0004k6-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:51:10 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:48:54 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D746800@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sideswiped (LONG, SOAPBOXY) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:49:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain My definition of road rage is different. I have had it happen to me twice, but it was definitely rage. One time I was trying to cross the street (on foot) and someone tried to run me over on purpose (he had a stop sign & didn't even stop), then he jumped out of his car and attacked me. I didn't even cuss at him or anything so I have no idea what provoked him. That type of rage to me is road rage because there is no explanation for it. Another time I had to get off an exit ramp & this guy came veering off the ramp (he had the merge sign) & I couldn't get over to get off the ramp because he wouldn't let me. It forced me to speed up & cut him off to get off the damn exit. Then, he followed me yelling expletives at me. This is why I now carry pepper spray. - Jeannette > Next time you hear "road rage", take a good whiff. > > Tom M. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 15:21:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22040; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01921; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24213 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:20:01 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256620.006A774A ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:22:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256620.0067E135.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:22:50 -0400 Subject: RE: Sideswiped (LONG, SOAPBOXY) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII By the standards of normal human intelligence, we were merely the symptom, the busybody was the problem. But if it were known that HE had not exceeded the speed limit, and we had, I'm sure we would have been labeled road ragers. I agree. The term "Road Rage" is just another example of the news media sensationalizing anything and everything they possibly can. This way that get big ratings numbers and are able to charge much more for their commercial segments. There have always been idiots and morons out there driving on the roads. It's only recently that the "News Pinheads" have come up with the term "Road Rage" with which to label them. I think we would all be better served if the news media would start their programs off with the following disclaimer: Notice: "All content of the following program is solely driven by our wish to squeeze as much money as we possibly can from our sponsors. Any similarity between the content of this program and actual events is completely accidental. We strive to never let the details of any story get in the way of an entertaining broadcast." Steve (pundit hating) Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 16:37:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23149; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04242; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26397 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.130]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 167 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:37:13 -0400 Message-ID: <357FF927.AADC4776@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:35:03 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Saturday Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit checking to see who, and how many may show.. :~) already confirmed are: bruce n. craig tom t. ............if i forgot anyone sorry, my ISP sucks! and my mail has been screwed up. plan is to meet in leesburg @ 8:30 @ Amoco go to Pt. of Rocks and meet any Md. guys @ 9:15 starting out at a leasurely pace and gradually building to well , as Z-big put it "west side gang ride,pass fast on double yellow" Approx. 175 mi. 5-6 hr. or so depending on the lunch stop. traveling mostly back roads thru Md,Wva & Va. Hopefully the weather will be condusive to thrashing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 17:23:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23815; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05129; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27444 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA20470 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:15:51 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:20:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:23:19 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jkboyd@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Don't quote me, but I think the Kawi 900 LTD is generally considered the first Japanese cruiser, though I'm not sure they were called that back then. The Yamaha Specials followed, then the Midnight Specials. Honda had the 900C, which was pretty sweet looking. Suzuki had the L series and sold about 3 of them. Looking back, these "cruisers" are amazingly conservative, basically UJMs with buckhorn handlebars, stepped seats, and rounder gas tanks. I almost bought an 81 Maxim 650 and was gonna put low bars on it. I waited for the '82 Seca 650. Good move, since that was the year Yamaha overproduced tryng to catch Honda and I got it for $1800 when list was $3K. This being America, the more expensive Maxim outsold the Seca by about 5 to 1. A great, great bike, still running today even though my brother rode it into a station wagon last year. The Brits did make a cruiser, either Triumph or Norton. I'm leaning towards Triumph, since I'm getting a foggy picture of a Bonnie with high bars. Joe '86 ZX 900 '68 FLH (my cruiser) >>> Kevin Boyd - 6/11/98 8:53 AM >>> Just a few ramblings about cruisers!! The first Japanes bike I consider to be a cruiser was the Kawasaki 900 LTD. Does anybody know if there were others before this bike? Although I don't really care for the current cruiser style I thought the 900 LTD was a pretty good looking bike. Kawasaki built a whole group of LTDs after the 900, from the 400 on up to the 1100 Spectre. Also, Yamaha came out with the Maxims which were decent looking bikes (Didn't they make two sizes of Midnight Maxims?). What were Suzuki's inline four cruisers called? I don't think Honda ever came out with an inline 4 cruiser. Wasn't Hondas first attemp at a cruiser the Magna which was a V4? Anyway, what I liked about the original Jap cruisers was they had fairly powerful engines, plus there was a boat load of high performance parts available for the Kaw's and Suzukis and they were easy to modify. Unfortunately the Japanese decided to follow Harley's route and go with V twins. Personally I think if the the Japanese had stuck with powerful 4 cylinders they could have created their own nitch in the cruiser market, instead they are always giong to be considered Harley clones (a Kawasaki cruiser based on a bored out ZX11 engine would be wild, say a 1300 LTD). Yamaha did come out with a powerful 4 cylinder cruiser, the VMAX, and Kawasaki followed with the Eliminator but at the time these were called Muscle Bikes. I guess the class of motorcycles called muscle bikes never really took off so now the VMAX is considered a cruiser. By the way, what was the first Japanes V twin cruiser? What about Brit bikes. Did any of the British companies ever make a cruiser? Sorry but all this talk of cruisers has me reminiscing. Take it easy! Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 17:27:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23871; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05264; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27553 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:16:54 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:16:34 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Saturday ride I would like to go on the Saturday ride. I'll see you guys at the Chevron (?) by Point of Rocks at 9:15 am. Sean Sullivan CBR F3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking to see who, and how many may show.. :~) already confirmed are: bruce n. craig tom t. ............if i forgot anyone sorry, my ISP sucks! and my mail has been screwed up. plan is to meet in leesburg @ 8:30 @ Amoco go to Pt. of Rocks and meet any Md. guys @ 9:15 starting out at a leasurely pace and gradually building to well , as Z-big put it "west side gang ride,pass fast on double yellow" Approx. 175 mi. 5-6 hr. or so depending on the lunch stop. traveling mostly back roads thru Md,Wva & Va. Hopefully the weather will be condusive to thrashing. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 17:45:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24177; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05490; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27955 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA20582 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:38:01 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:42:59 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:45:40 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kosmas19@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a Sh adow... -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline My old riding gang up in Minneapolis included a V65 Sabre and a Vmax, owned by the guy I bought my 900 Ninja from. Both monster motors, and I knew better to pull the trigger on 'em in a straight unless I knew curvies were coming up. Competitive? Hell, you just don't mess with 'em when it's straight . . . >>> - 6/11/98 11:23 AM >>> I have two 85 Magnas...the 700 and the V65..(the V45 was a 750)... oddly the 700 Magna put out *more* bhp (at 500rpm more) than the 750 did (83bhp vs 81bhp) and the V65 (1100cc), puts out 111.5bhp... yes they *do* have alot of raw hp however, they cannot, because of their cruiser design, compete with any decent sport bike for cornering. However, on a straight run, they are very competitive.. -aki > You think so? Remember the power cruisers called Magna? Its a cruiser with > damn good performance. Regardless, what can't you have newer technology on > a cruiser? Does the bike have to have a 50 year old design to be a cruiser? > Do I have to have my body shaken like hell from a V-twin? Why does a Harley > have to be the standard to be a cruiser? > > my .02 > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > IMHO, discussing performance/technology in relation to cruisers is > > irrelevant; Harleys don't break like they useta, and you run the risk of > > some old fart on a ten-year-old Ninja blowing you and your hi-tech > > Shadow into the weeds anyway. ;-) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 17:47:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24190; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05515; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28074 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:47:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BDNDa05732; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <92a1eb76.3580503d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:46:34 EDT To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New Motorcycles.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-11 11:01:57 EDT, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << I was under the impression that it WAS the same company. The rotary engined road racer was a project that got left for dead in 92 when they ran out of money - same company with new funding found in Minnesota (lotta rich people who like/endorse motorcycles in that area of the US.. >> Norton Motorcycles You can try this site to find out more. I have owned a Norton since 1971 and i am a bit skeptical, but who knows. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 17:54:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24310; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05612; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dol.net (known mail.dol.net [204.183.91.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28382 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358079C3.D71234DE@dol.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:43:47 -0700 From: Wayne Graybeal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mark E. Truelove" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... References: <3.0.1.32.19980606124500.00ac0c50@wingate> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey mark, was it an electric or crank style that you used to open this canoworms? wayne Mark E. Truelove wrote: > A friend of mine just got her license, and went out shopping immediately > the other night for a bike. After looking around, she seems to have > settled on a Shadow 750 as her bike of choice. > > So, first of all, does anyone have, or know of someone who has, one of > these for sale? > > My personal feeling is that an older bike is better, but I don't even know > how long they've been made. Maybe someone can educate me on the finer > points and possible failings of this bike. > > Secondly, are there bikes you might recommend which are similarly styled? > Arguments for said bikes are also appreciated. And if you know of _those_ > for sale, feel free to throw that in, also. :) > > Thanks everyone, > > MET > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs > ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 18:49:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24846; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06855; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29530 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Received: from JD6201md@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 1KOBa04364; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6936afe6.35805e49@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:46:32 EDT To: jkboyd@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 What was the "L" in the Suzuki nomenclature? Low-Slinger. Never heard used anywhere after the models were introduced to the dealers in 1979. - Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 19:39:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25187; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07627; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00450 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.124]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 371; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: <358023E0.E5C4A699@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:37:20 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Saturday ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean Sullivan wrote: > Re: Saturday ride > > I would like to go on the Saturday ride. I'll see you guys at the Chevron (?) by Point of Rocks at 9:15 am. > Sean Sullivan > CBR F3 > > Sean i do believe that it is indeed a chevron but in case not it is the gas er up on the edge of town on rt.28 where the train trackscross the road.look forward to seeing you there Craig blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 19:59:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25400; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07742; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00868 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-230.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.230]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA15315; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980611195842.006f7d6c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:58:42 -0400 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: For those days... In-Reply-To: <199806111808.OAA10964@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Would definitely hated to be that guy!! -Tom At 02:08 PM 6/11/98 -0400, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >For those days when you feel like you are close to being road kill out on >the streets, just think of this poor guy. > >http://home.swbell.net/jack_t/roadkill.htm > >Note: While I don't find the image gross or gory, there is a dead animal >involved. > >Louis > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 21:56:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26149; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11253; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA02913 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA21703; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3580B566.1CB8@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:58:14 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: jencraig Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:35:03 +0100 > From: jencraig > checking to see who, and how many may show.. :~) > already confirmed are: > bruce n. > craig > tom t. > ............if i forgot anyone sorry, my ISP sucks! and my mail has been > screwed up. Hey Craig, I'm pretty sure I confirmed way back on Monday :) --> snip <-- > Hopefully the weather will be condusive to thrashing. Saturday does seem more promising than Sunday... Be there. Aloha. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 22:02:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26198; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11348; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03014 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daveweaver (usr27-dialup10.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EUF00AGN1NMEX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 02:02:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:00:14 -0400 From: Dave Weaver Subject: Re: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01bd95a5$d70df300$8a4937a6@daveweaver> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Priority: 3 Actually, I'm one of the few ambidextrous designers who loves both Macs and PC's (we have G3's and Intergraphs at work). I do alot of Director and Photoshop work which is identical on each ofcourse, but I prefer the PC for 3D modeling/animation (SoftImage rulez!!!). The one thing NT is missing over the Mac is multiple monitor support (which is wonderful in Director!). I just use what's needed to get the job done I suppose. Dave <>< -----Original Message----- From: Whiteside, John To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 8:03 AM Subject: RE: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? >Designers are a different breed. I have yet to meet a good designer who was >not either a Mac user or deeply resented being forced to use a PC... > >-- John Whiteside > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 11:13 PM > To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX; jckozyn@XXXXXX; >dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? > > Better watch it JinnSinn, you will get flamed for being >"off-topic" ! > > LOL. I have to deal with macs and PCs as a tech support for >my company, > and I have to say that cut and paste (and maybe Photoshop) >are the only > things I have found better on a mac! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 22:07:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26245; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11388; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03081 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Radix (dialin24.annex5.radix.net [209.48.227.48]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA01988 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980612020751.006b5514@pop.radix.net> X-Sender: jterry@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:07:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jim Terry Subject: Southern MD bike mover Does anyone know of a bike friendly towing operation in Southern Maryland? I find myself truckless with a need to transport a Yamaha Seca II from Golden Beach to Brandywine on Monday. Thanks in advance, Jim Don't believe everything you think. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 23:25:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26789; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14015; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04263 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.45] (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:23:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Sideswiped Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 23:28:02 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Rottier.Amy'" , , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >That happened to me once with a cab driver. I went a bit ballistic at >him so he wouldn't open his window. : ( Time to go ahead and attach a full size mag light to the frame of my bike for easy access.... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 11 23:49:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26934; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14787; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04687 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ykGUF-0004vj-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:10:27 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D746808@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'jencraig'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:46:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Have fun, guys!! - Jeannette > plan is to meet in leesburg @ 8:30 @ Amoco > go to Pt. of Rocks and meet any Md. guys @ 9:15 > starting out at a leasurely pace and gradually building to > well , as Z-big put it "west side gang ride,pass fast on double > yellow" > Approx. 175 mi. 5-6 hr. or so depending on the lunch stop. > traveling mostly back roads thru Md,Wva & Va. > > Hopefully the weather will be condusive to thrashing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 00:07:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27469; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15827; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04948 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.36] (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:05:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 00:10:12 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" No need. The 'workers' were some upper management folks, some of whom had been there pre-AMF. They gathered about $1 million personally, and borrowed about $70 million. Paid off mid to late 80's. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 00:07:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27470; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15765; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04941 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.36] (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:05:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fast Rides (was Update on Chuck) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 00:10:06 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Mixing sport riders and cruisers, or fast-movers and slow-movers, or >newbies and seasoned riders, is just not a great idea. Rather than starting the sport vs. cruiser argument again, I'll just say that that is the one that isn't always as clear cut as the others. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 00:07:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27476; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15836; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04952 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.36] (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:05:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap -Reply Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 00:10:15 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "JOE NAGY" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Any lawyers among us? Is possession of a sport bike on a curvy road >"probable cause?" No moreso than owning a car is probably cause for random alcohol checkpoints. 'Course, I don't believe in either... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 00:07:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27482; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15841; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04956 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.36] (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:05:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: New Motorcycles.. Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 00:10:17 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > I was under the impression that it WAS the same company. You could be right. But I thought that the co. with the f650 plant was the one that had the rights to the name everywhere but the UK. Could be mistaken. All I know is that calling a v-8 powered cruiser a commando is a travesty of the first order. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 00:07:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27487; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15848; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04960 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.36] (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:05:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: digest into cruiser morph Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 00:10:20 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "James Campbell" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I like the flat track bars. How 'bout some ape hangers? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 00:07:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27491; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15857; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04964 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.36] (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:05:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply -Reply Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 00:10:22 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "David Wakefield" , cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Just like when a professional athletic team is having a good year (or >decade), all the H-D bozos have come out of the woodwork recently to >hop on the band-wagon and ride the gravy train for pride and glory now >that things are going well. Interesting point about sports teams. Met Angie a few years back, when the Cleveland Indians were losing. Only her father and brothers were interested. Now, her mother is. Me, I follow baseball just as much now as I did last year, with the O's being my 'favorite' team. Ditto hockey. I catch a few scores, watch one or two games a year. The success of the Caps hasn't changed a thing. I couldn't tell you who is winning the final series (although I am curious, just not curious enough to go to Yahoo or ESPNet) The bandwagon is a very comfortable place to be for some folks. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 00:07:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27497; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15873; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04972 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.36] (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:05:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Who Needs Cut/Paste Lessons ? Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 00:10:28 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Dave Weaver" , "Whiteside, John" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The one thing NT is missing >over the Mac is multiple monitor support (which is wonderful in Director!). I think they are supposed to add it in NT 5.0, if the DOJ ever lets it see the light of day:) Why do I think that it won't be quite as easy to set up as multi monitors on the mac? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 00:07:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27495; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15863; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04967 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.36] (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:05:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 00:10:25 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" cc: "Thomas W. Zell" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >A rather presumptive and snooty BMW position to take George. As if >BMWs hadn't been targeted in the past (Spartenburg). Sort of >like, "These four kids had guns. You mean to tell me they weren't >shooting at people in the liquer store?" >Fine. Whatever. Just don't come across like, 'well maybe they deserved >it'. Those guys didn't deserve that sort of punishment. Maybe one >day you might find yourself in an unjust position, and will understand. >Take a trip down there and experience it firsthand and you'll know >what I mean. Trust me, I know all about what happened in Spartansburg. Every BMW shop, email list, magazine, etc. was filled with it for months. I think you took my comments not as I meant them, but rather, as I wrote them. Let me clarify: The rider's claims of 100% innocence are probably 100% BS. You didn't go down to NC to ride that road at legal speed limits any more than this guy did. The actions taken by the police there (not to mention Spartansburg, RI, etc, etc, etc) were Draconian at best. If the reporting is accurate. When I was 17, I got pulled over. Given a reckless ticket, 5 points. Why? I was helping a buddy move some wood in his lawn. Tires got muddy on the truck. Popped clutch at stop sign (accident, honest). Cop down the street got pissed off and took it out on me. (one step away from violence. I'm sure had I put up any resistance, this inebriated prick might have swung, had it not been for the buddy in the truck). Anyway, found out a week later (from another friend in the neighborhood) that a bunch of other kids in trucks were doing donuts in the street, speeding, and generally doing dumb shit in a residential neighborhood. So what have we learned? Even though I was innocent of reckless driving, I did squeal tires (accidentally, but that is why squealing tires in Md. is only a 1 or 2 point offense). So while I wasn't guilty, I wasn't innocent. This guy on the bike, while not guilty of the crime he was charged with did have a guilty concience (sp?). You speed, you take your chances. You ride a bike (specially round Deal's Gap) you take your chances. I'm not saying it's right. Far from it. It's backwater bullshit from a bunch of pissed off rednecks. But the guy wasn't innocent; ignorance of the law is no excuse; he was on videotape. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 00:13:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27559; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16049; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05077 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr17-dialup39.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EUF00GJ67PVYG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:13:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:12:16 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Saturday ride To: jencraig , dc-cycles Message-id: <008a01bd9532$310d4aa0$274737a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Re: Saturday ride Any chance I could squeeze into the ride? I'd love to get a chance to join some fast people, weather permitting of course. Chevron off of Rt.28 in Point of Rocks at 9:15am? Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: jencraig To: Sean Sullivan ; dc-cycles Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Saturday ride > > >Sean Sullivan wrote: > >> Re: Saturday ride >> >> I would like to go on the Saturday ride. I'll see you guys at the Chevron (?) by Point of Rocks at 9:15 am. >> Sean Sullivan >> CBR F3 >> >> Sean i do believe that it is indeed a chevron but in case not > >it is the gas er up on the edge of town on rt.28 where the train trackscross the road.look forward to seeing >you there >Craig blue TL > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 01:10:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27956; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16938; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05902 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-175-175.s48.as5.rkv.erols.com [207.172.175.175]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA21639; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3580B86D.C02C90D@erols.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:11:09 -0400 From: John Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: otgrouch@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth References: <6ca6ca61.35714f11@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry,guys, we're talking MILES PER HOUR, not kph. John Keller 88SC Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 98-05-30 18:25:12 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > 90....unless > it was on a race track. >> > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed when > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, i.e. > left lane only for passing. > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 06:35:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00044; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20638; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09337 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7SIUa20982; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7490869c.35810425@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:34:12 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New Motorcycles.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-12 00:23:35 EDT, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << All I know is that calling a v-8 powered cruiser a commando is a travesty of the first order. >> It's not a cruiser, it is a Sportbike and it is called the Nemesis not Commando, although there is a new Commando in the product line I understand. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 07:33:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00413; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21427; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09966 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:33:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday ride Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:33:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Don't want to throw a wrench into the works at the last minute, especially since I initially supported Saturday, but the weather reports indicate that Saturday afternoon will be bad, perhaps lasting into early Sunday morning. Maybe we should try Sunday instead. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 09:15:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01074; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22982; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11645 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:14:48 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA28965 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:13:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199806121313.AA28965@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:13:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:13:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:13:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 9:10:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... To: nohd@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, true@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <358079C3.D71234DE@dol.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME btw...if anyone is looking for a really good deal on a like new (and I mean like new) condition 86 500 Shadow (red), drop me a line..elsewise, I'll be posting an ad in the Post this afternoon. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 09:15:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01073; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22984; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11647 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA17296 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:14:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA21533 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:14:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980612131416.GRVX7401@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:14:16 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:14:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd9603$fffd4aa0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >From what I read, the videotape did not verify any laws being broken only presence and identity. I did *NOT* exceed the speed limit at Deal's Gap. Other roads in the vicinity, perhaps, but not in the Gap. I would resent being accused of breaking the law merely by my presence and equipment. Consider your own motives and don't think everyone is the same. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze George Howell said: You speed, you take your chances. You ride a bike (specially round Deal's Gap) you take your chances. I'm not saying it's right. Far from it. It's backwater bullshit from a bunch of pissed off rednecks. But the guy wasn't innocent; ignorance of the law is no excuse; he was on videotape. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 09:20:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01111; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23053; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11754 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-143-88.s25.as1.hgt.erols.com [207.172.143.88]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22224 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35812BA7.DF49EB7B@erols.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:22:48 -0400 From: Darren Reply-To: dsecars@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: how do i Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do i unsubscribe? Thanks, Darren From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 09:30:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01185; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23144; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11907 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:30:42 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D53@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: interesting problem.. Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:29:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thought I'd bounce this off the collective. Bike's an 82(?) Yamaha XT250 - almost 17k miles... runs fine until you pass half throttle, then the engine cuts out, comes back, cuts out and dies. I can only get this to happen when it's in gear - but it'll happen in any gear. Last night going home, I put it in first and just layed WFO being jerked back and forth as it would cetch and run then die. I'm running 93 octane gas ( fresh tank everyday, and different sources). Changed the oil about 2k miles ago.. it does burn oil as well. Spark plug was cleaned last weekend - checked the air filter about 3 weeks ago and it looked good. I cleaned the tank of rust back when I got it and still have an in-line fuel filter to cetch big chunks (it appears clean).. I really can't think of what's happening... Thanks for whatever you can offer.... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 09:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01206; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23178; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11963 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ykTx3-0005vB-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:33:06 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:30:57 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D74680B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Linda Tanner'" , Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:31:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are heading - BIG BROTHER. I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? - Jeannette > From what I read, the videotape did not verify any laws being broken > only > presence and identity. I did *NOT* exceed the speed limit at Deal's > Gap. > Other roads in the vicinity, perhaps, but not in the Gap. I would > resent > being accused of breaking the law merely by my presence and equipment. > > Consider your own motives and don't think everyone is the same. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 09:34:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01213; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23310; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11982 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806121334.JAA11982@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AE0831F0392; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:32:56 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:18:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Sideswiped (LONG, SOAPBOXY) In-Reply-To: <85256620.0067E135.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:22 PM 6/11/98 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: >I agree. The term "Road Rage" is just another example of the news media >sensationalizing anything and everything they possibly can. This way that >get big ratings numbers and are able to charge much more for their >commercial segments. Yes, indeed. It's significant that speeders are lumped into the "Road Rager" category, even if there's no one else on the road. Also, I read recently a report on drivers' recognition of the problem of road rage -- they found that the recognition had increased quite a bit over the last year - which is trivial since the term itself has just come into common use in the last year. >I think we would all be better >served if the news media would start their programs off with the following >disclaimer: > >Notice: "All content of the following program is solely driven by our wish >to squeeze as much money as we possibly can from our sponsors. Any >similarity between the content of this program and actual events is >completely accidental. We strive to never let the details of any story get >in the way of an entertaining broadcast." Absolutely. It's important to remember that "news" organizations do not earn a living by selling news, they earn a living by selling advertising. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 09:42:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01292; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23873; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12140 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:42:36 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D54@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:41:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Um... *chuckle* naw, I won't go there... -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 09:49:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01382; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24197; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12317 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ykUCj-0000eD-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:49:17 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D74680E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Lister(?) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:47:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Guy spotted on 123 passing George Mason University riding LOUD silver BMW K bike (?) Are you on the list? Nice bike. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 09:58:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01433; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24448; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12555 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA22705 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:51:15 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:56:12 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:58:48 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, nohd@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, true@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Buying a Sportster? Joe : ) (don't flame, it's only irony) >>> - 6/12/98 9:10 AM >>> btw...if anyone is looking for a really good deal on a like new (and I mean like new) condition 86 500 Shadow (red), drop me a line..elsewise, I'll be posting an ad in the Post this afternoon. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 10:00:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01464; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24514; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12596 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.35] (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:58:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Motorcycles.. Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 10:03:21 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >It's not a cruiser, it is a Sportbike and it is called the Nemesis not >Commando, although there is a new Commando in the product line I understand. Yes, the commando is a cruiser according to this company. Saw it either on their web page or in Fast Bikes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 10:01:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01471; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24524; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12608 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:01:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Full Body Racing Leather Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:01:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry if this has line has been done before. I'd like to hear from those of you who have experienced obtaining and using full-body, perhaps padded/armored, maybe vented leather: - Local merchant, remote merchant, catalog - Off the rack, initially tailored, or later modified for fit - Break in period and lingering differences between full leather and al fresco - Did you have to (we know about you, Colin) or want to - Would you do it again given the same circumstances that led you to do it in the first place Tom M From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 10:07:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01546; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24629; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12743 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:07:41 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256621.004DD5E0 ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:10:10 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256621.004A0769.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:10:07 -0400 Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >From what I read, the videotape did not verify any laws being broken only presence and identity. I did *NOT* exceed the speed limit at Deal's Gap. Other roads in the vicinity, perhaps, but not in the Gap. I would resent being accused of breaking the law merely by my presence and equipment. I can confirm what Linda says here. The first time we went down to Deal's Gap I followed Linda all the way through it and we did not break the speed limit. There was no need to. The fun factor was still way up there. These sow bellied witless vacuous hog humping fart sniffing anus licking jerk off redneck cops have an agenda. And they are not going to let anyone keep them from accomplishing it. If they have to site innocent people, then so be it - they are going to do it. And it sounds like the court system is backing them up 100 percent. I hope the AMA can apply some pressure on the political pinheads that can do something about this. If they can do that, then I will gladly become a member of the AMA. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 10:15:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01600; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24728; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12896 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25164 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02968 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806121415.KAA02968@shell.clark.net> Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:15:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are heading - > BIG BROTHER. > I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? Well, think of some of the things that are actually illegal in the bedroom (or out), especially in Virginia and other Southern states. Gawd, I hope they never decide to crack down on some of those! They'd have to arrest anyone who actually wants to have some fun with their spouse/significant other. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 10:20:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01622; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24949; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f118.hotmail.com [207.82.251.44]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13016 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26295 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 1998 14:19:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19980612141927.26294.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.119.40.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:19:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.119.40.132] From: "Don Burger" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:19:24 PDT I may not like these kinds of police tactics, but lets look at it from the police/establishment point of view. They need to protect an 11 mile stretch of road that every motorcycle rider east of the Mississippi wants to come and ride on. When the "squid factor" is added into the equation there is an ever increasing chance for mayhem and carnage. I'm sure they get tired of sending ambulances up there to pick up people who found out the hard way they can't ride worth sh*t. If I were the police up there I would patrol the hell out of the area as well. If people don't want to put up with the harassment, find someplace else to go. Then maybe the locals will complain "where did all the money go that I used to make off the motorcycle riders?" So we all pay the price for the actions of a few. Sometimes life isn't fair, but whover told you it is lied. My two cents. Don B - 96 F3 >From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" >To: "'Linda Tanner'" , > Dc-Cycles > >Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:31:59 -0400 > >I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are heading - >BIG BROTHER. >I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? > >- Jeannette > > >> From what I read, the videotape did not verify any laws being broken >> only >> presence and identity. I did *NOT* exceed the speed limit at Deal's >> Gap. >> Other roads in the vicinity, perhaps, but not in the Gap. I would >> resent >> being accused of breaking the law merely by my presence and equipment. >> >> Consider your own motives and don't think everyone is the same. >> >> LindaT. >> 95 F3 Purple Haze >> >> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 10:28:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01704; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25036; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13170 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ykUoZ-0007i2-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:28:23 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:26:15 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D74681B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:27:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I know, that's what I was talking about. It's unbelievable what's illegal in VA (cohabitation for one, oral sex for another)... - Jeannette > Well, think of some of the things that are actually illegal in the > bedroom > (or out), especially in Virginia and other Southern states. Gawd, I > hope > they never decide to crack down on some of those! They'd have to > arrest > anyone who actually wants to have some fun with their > spouse/significant > other. > > Louis > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 10:45:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01911; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25653; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mastermind-tech.com (known [38.181.52.2] [38.181.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13591 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.mastermind-tech.com ([38.181.52.8]) by smtp.mastermind-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA11515 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806121446.KAA11515@smtp.mastermind-tech.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Lowenstein" Organization: MasterMind Technologies, Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:39:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Full Body Racing Leather Reply-to: dlowenst@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Hi Tom - I can't address the (ahem) full-body experience, but I can give you one very positive data point with Vanson Leathers. I bought a Vanson SRX a couple of years ago. I special-ordered it through Myer's Cycle in Kensington after researching all the major brands and concluding that nothing except possibly Langlitz came close to the quality of Vanson (and I think Langlitz is more of a cult thing anyway). Nobody stocks more than a couple of Vanson pieces, and since those who do stock Vanson don't discount it more than about 10%, you might as well order exactly what you want instead of traipsing around trying to find it in a showroom. Myer's actually gave me a significant discount (20 or 25%), so my total cost was about $375. It took about 6 weeks to arrive. Whether you order direct or through a local outlet, Vanson provides very explicit sizing instructions - they really seem to want to get it right. They will do fully custom sizing, but it costs a lot (I think about a $200 premium for a full suit). My (non-custom) SRX fits extremely well, but in retrospect it was very important that we followed Vanson's sizing instructions - I normally wear a size 40, but in Vanson I needed a 42 and I wouldn't have ordered the 42 but for following their guidelines. I was also able to get the jacket without any patches or markings, at no extra charge (the stock SRX has the traditional yellow and black Vanson patch on each shoulder). My SRX accepts removable armor, although the stock soft armor is excellent and certainly acceptable for non-racers like me. All the Vanson racing leathers are designed to work together (e.g., pants zip into jackets, etc.). My SRX took about 2 months of regular wear (on and off bike) to break in. It's one of the finest garments I've ever owned, and I recommend Vanson unequivocally. Hope this info helps. Dave > I'd like to hear from those of you who have experienced obtaining > and using full-body, perhaps padded/armored, maybe vented leather: > > - Local merchant, remote merchant, catalog > > - Off the rack, initially tailored, or later modified for fit > > - Break in period and lingering differences between full leather > and > al fresco > > - Did you have to (we know about you, Colin) or want to > > - Would you do it again given the same circumstances that led you > to > do it in the first place ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenst@XXXXXX 67 E-Type OTS S1.5 driver 71 Olds Cutlass Convertible 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 10:48:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01942; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25729; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13701 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA23134 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:40:35 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:45:40 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:47:54 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, donburger@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Don, No, no, no. No you don't. Not with this American. Life isn't fair, but as far as I know, the Constitution is still law, even in Tennesee. Joe '86 Ninja 900 maybe coupla guns too >>> "Don Burger" - 6/12/98 10:19 AM >>> I may not like these kinds of police tactics, but lets look at it from the police/establishment point of view. They need to protect an 11 mile stretch of road that every motorcycle rider east of the Mississippi wants to come and ride on. When the "squid factor" is added into the equation there is an ever increasing chance for mayhem and carnage. I'm sure they get tired of sending ambulances up there to pick up people who found out the hard way they can't ride worth sh*t. If I were the police up there I would patrol the hell out of the area as well. If people don't want to put up with the harassment, find someplace else to go. Then maybe the locals will complain "where did all the money go that I used to make off the motorcycle riders?" So we all pay the price for the actions of a few. Sometimes life isn't fair, but whover told you it is lied. My two cents. Don B - 96 F3 >From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" >To: "'Linda Tanner'" , > Dc-Cycles > >Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:31:59 -0400 > >I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are heading - >BIG BROTHER. >I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? > >- Jeannette > > >> From what I read, the videotape did not verify any laws being broken >> only >> presence and identity. I did *NOT* exceed the speed limit at Deal's >> Gap. >> Other roads in the vicinity, perhaps, but not in the Gap. I would >> resent >> being accused of breaking the law merely by my presence and equipment. >> >> Consider your own motives and don't think everyone is the same. >> >> LindaT. >> 95 F3 Purple Haze >> >> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 10:54:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02005; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25936; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13877 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA28002 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:54:57 -0400 Message-ID: <35814116.27D5DEFD@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:54:14 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap References: <19980612141927.26294.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no problem with life not being fair, nor do I have a problem with the police needing to patrol that section of road. At Deal's Gap on Memorial Day weekend, there was a 100% license check. Not just bikes, everyone who was driving. That was reasonable. What was described on the web page that started all this was not reasonable. Undercover cops with video cameras appeared to encourage riders to show them something to film - that sounds like entrapment. The web page also led us to believe that all bikers who happened to ride the road at the time they were issuing citations got cited, not those who were observed committing offenses more egregious than others and not car drivers. When on active duty in the army, one of my commanding officers told me the method he used to catch a suspect. Call for an inspection, inspect the suspect first. Search his stuff until you get enough to nail him. Then follow up and search everyone elses stuff with the same thoroughness. Finally, prosecute everyone who was caught with the same degree of zeal. If the incident at Deal's Gap were done that way, I'd have no problem with it. But, it sounds like many were exempted from the inspection, and that different degrees of thoroughness were used in both the inspection and the prosecution. That isn't the right way to do things. Don Burger wrote: > > I may not like these kinds of police tactics, but lets look at it from > the police/establishment point of view. They need to protect an 11 mile > stretch of road that every motorcycle rider east of the Mississippi > wants to come and ride on. When the "squid factor" is added into the > equation there is an ever increasing chance for mayhem and carnage. I'm > sure they get tired of sending ambulances up there to pick up people who > found out the hard way they can't ride worth sh*t. If I were the police > up there I would patrol the hell out of the area as well. If people > don't want to put up with the harassment, find someplace else to go. > Then maybe the locals will complain "where did all the money go that I > used to make off the motorcycle riders?" > > So we all pay the price for the actions of a few. > > Sometimes life isn't fair, but whover told you it is lied. > > My two cents. > Don B - 96 F3 > > >From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > >To: "'Linda Tanner'" , > > Dc-Cycles > > > >Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap > >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:31:59 -0400 > > > >I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are heading - > >BIG BROTHER. > >I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? > > > >- Jeannette > > > > > >> From what I read, the videotape did not verify any laws being broken > >> only > >> presence and identity. I did *NOT* exceed the speed limit at Deal's > >> Gap. > >> Other roads in the vicinity, perhaps, but not in the Gap. I would > >> resent > >> being accused of breaking the law merely by my presence and > equipment. > >> > >> Consider your own motives and don't think everyone is the same. > >> > >> LindaT. > >> 95 F3 Purple Haze > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 11:07:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02155; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26569; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14283 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:07:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap -Reply Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:07:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, get a rope ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 10:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; donburger@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap -Reply > > Don, > No, no, no. No you don't. Not with this American. Life isn't fair, > but as far as I know, the Constitution is still law, even in Tennesee. > Joe > '86 Ninja 900 > maybe coupla guns too > > > > >>> "Don Burger" - 6/12/98 10:19 AM >>> > I may not like these kinds of police tactics, but lets look at it from > the police/establishment point of view. They need to protect an 11 mile > > stretch of road that every motorcycle rider east of the Mississippi > wants to come and ride on. When the "squid factor" is added into the > equation there is an ever increasing chance for mayhem and carnage. I'm > > sure they get tired of sending ambulances up there to pick up people who > > found out the hard way they can't ride worth sh*t. If I were the police > > up there I would patrol the hell out of the area as well. If people > don't want to put up with the harassment, find someplace else to go. > Then maybe the locals will complain "where did all the money go that I > used to make off the motorcycle riders?" > > So we all pay the price for the actions of a few. > > Sometimes life isn't fair, but whover told you it is lied. > > My two cents. > Don B - 96 F3 > > > >From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > >To: "'Linda Tanner'" , > > Dc-Cycles > > > >Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap > >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:31:59 -0400 > > > >I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are heading - > >BIG BROTHER. > >I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? > > > >- Jeannette > > > > > >> From what I read, the videotape did not verify any laws being broken > >> only > >> presence and identity. I did *NOT* exceed the speed limit at Deal's > >> Gap. > >> Other roads in the vicinity, perhaps, but not in the Gap. I would > >> resent > >> being accused of breaking the law merely by my presence and > equipment. > >> > >> Consider your own motives and don't think everyone is the same. > >> > >> LindaT. > >> 95 F3 Purple Haze > >> > >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 11:09:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02169; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26646; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14322 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:08:54 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256621.005370CD ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:11:23 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256621.0051F2F0.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:11:19 -0400 Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Don't wait to join. The AMA is working on this sort of stuff all the time. They need the members and the money. They are our best bet for keeping over-active authorities (be they the police, politicians, insurance companies, etc.) off of our backs. Please join. No way. They are going to have to prove themselves to me first. And they won't get any of my money until they do. When they have shifted their focus from issues like "helmet laws" to worthy causes like this "Deal's Gap Nazi Storm Troopers" scenario, - then and only then will they have won me over. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 11:18:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02273; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27597; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14563 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806121518.LAA14563@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MX4NT6A9; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:22:59 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:18:17 -0400 To: Dc-Cycles From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Kawasaki GPz1100? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D74680E@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, even though I've only had my Nighthawk for 6 months and 3,200 miles I've already started thinking about my next bike. I like my bike, but I would think I'd like something more comfortable (fairings!), and a little sportier. On 200/300 mile days the NH can be downright tiring to ride with all the wind. Anyhow, after having fun "Internet shopping" for my next bike I came across the GPz1100. It's on the sporty side of sport/touring, and it's lighter than it's counterparts. I have yet to read anything negative on it, and everyone who owns one seems to love it (Morris Berman included!). While I don't think I really need a larger engine than a 750, it seems like most of the sport/tourers are a liter or larger. Tomorrow I'm going to take a look at a '96 GPz1000 up in Hagerstown (just happened to be going there anyhow). It was a leftover bought new in 7/97 and has all of 300 miles on it! The owner moved to Washington State and has apparently lost interest in riding (inconceivable!). List price on a new '96 GPz1000 was $7,999, and this guy is asking $5,800 for a barely used (not even broken in!) one. I think it'll even have 2 years of factory warranty left. Could be a good deal! I don't know if a GPz will even be a good bike for me size-wise, and I'd have to find a new home for the Nighthawk before I can buy a new bike. I guess I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with the GPz's, or knows much about them (positive or negative). Just trying to make an informed decision! :) Thanks! Anita PS - Yes, I know it has a chain! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 11:25:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02349; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28109; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f203.hotmail.com [207.82.251.94]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14722 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8205 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 1998 15:24:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19980612152417.8204.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.119.40.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:24:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.119.40.132] From: "Don Burger" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:24:16 PDT Any lawyers on the list? Below is the Tennessee code for drag racing, should he have been able to beat the ticket? 55-10-501. Definitions. Statute text As used in this part, unless the context otherwise requires: (1) "Drag racing" means that use of any motor vehicle for the purpose of ascertaining the maximum speed obtainable by the vehicle; the use of any motor vehicle for the purpose of ascertaining the highest obtainable speed of the vehicle within a certain distance or within a certain time limit; the use of any one (1) or more motor vehicles for the purpose of comparing the relative speeds of such vehicle or vehicles, or for comparing the relative speeds of such vehicle or vehicles within a certain distance or within a certain time limit; the use of one (1) or more motor vehicles in an attempt to out gain, outdistance or to arrive at a given destination simultaneous with or prior to that of any other motor vehicle; the use of any motor vehicle for the purpose of the accepting of, or the carrying out of any challenge, made orally, in writing, or otherwise, made or received with reference to the performance abilities of one (1) or more motor vehicles; ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 11:27:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02367; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28211; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14775 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806121527.LAA14775@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MX4NT6B2; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:31:53 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:27:14 -0400 To: Dc-Cycles From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Insurance Madness In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D74680E@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Further proof you have to shop around for bike insurance! I called Progressive yesterday and was quoted $1,793.00/year for a GPz1100. Comment from customer service person "Well, that bike is in the high performance group." UGH! Called State Farm for quote on same bike. Was told "Well, it'll definitely cost more than what your XT350 used to be." How much more? $116! I was paying $224 for the XT, and apparently would pay the ghastly sum of $340/year for the GPz. Granted I've had cages insured with them for 12 years and probably have every discount possible, and I live way out in the 'burbs. But $1400 less per year? Hmmm.... $1793 or $340.... Goodbye Progressive! :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 11:32:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02439; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28348; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14987 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267BB@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:15:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I agree with Steve 100%. Speaking of the AMA do they have a conditional life membership like the NRA has were you can pay a little at a time? It would really suck to get off that $500 in one lump sum. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > No way. They are going to have to prove themselves to me first. And they > won't get any of my money until they do. When they have shifted their > focus from issues like "helmet laws" to worthy causes like this "Deal's > Gap Nazi Storm Troopers" scenario, - then and only then will they have won > me over. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 11:36:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02524; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28410; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15080 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id LAA24585; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma024577; Fri, 12 Jun 98 11:36:21 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:38:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:37:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, they do work on those sorts of issues. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com -----Original Message----- From: sbeck@XXXXXX [mailto:sbeck@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 11:11 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap No way. They are going to have to prove themselves to me first. And they won't get any of my money until they do. When they have shifted their focus from issues like "helmet laws" to worthy causes like this "Deal's Gap Nazi Storm Troopers" scenario, - then and only then will they have won me over. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 11:40:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02576; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28541; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15190 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ewinslow@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19445; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:40:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: sbeck@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap In-Reply-To: <85256621.0051F2F0.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Check out their website or their magazine. They ARE working on that right now. They were pretty involved in the Spartanburg fiasco. All the proof is there for the viewing. Eric On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > > Don't wait to join. The AMA is working on this sort of stuff all the time. > They need the members and the money. They are our best bet for keeping > over-active authorities (be they the police, politicians, insurance > companies, etc.) off of our backs. Please join. > > > No way. They are going to have to prove themselves to me first. And they > won't get any of my money until they do. When they have shifted their > focus from issues like "helmet laws" to worthy causes like this "Deal's > Gap Nazi Storm Troopers" scenario, - then and only then will they have won > me over. > > Steve Beck > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 11:58:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02734; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28888; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15644 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:58:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:58:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that the clauses separated by colons are EACH a statement of sufficiency, so meeting any one of them could trigger the statute. The test of having to exceed the posted limit (on a roadway) is notably absent. What the jury instructions would be for determining whether two or more drivers were operating their vehicles "...for the purpose of...", and how the jury would respond, is for the legal eagles. I'd be interested in seeing the case law being developed on this one. > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Burger [SMTP:donburger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 11:24 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing > > Any lawyers on the list? Below is the Tennessee code for drag racing, > should he have been able to beat the ticket? > > 55-10-501. Definitions. > Statute text > As used in this part, unless the context otherwise requires: > > (1) "Drag racing" means that use of any motor vehicle for the purpose of > ascertaining the maximum speed obtainable by the vehicle; the use of any > motor vehicle for the purpose of ascertaining the highest obtainable > speed of the vehicle within a certain distance or within a certain time > limit; the use of any one (1) or more motor vehicles for the purpose of > comparing the relative speeds of such vehicle or vehicles, or for > comparing the relative speeds of such vehicle or vehicles within a > certain distance or within a certain time limit; the use of one (1) or > more motor vehicles in an attempt to out gain, outdistance or to arrive > at a given destination simultaneous with or prior to that of any other > motor vehicle; the use of any motor vehicle for the purpose of the > accepting of, or the carrying out of any challenge, made orally, in > writing, or otherwise, made or received > with reference to the performance abilities of one (1) or more motor > vehicles; > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 12:01:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02783; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28981; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15755 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22024 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat..css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00134 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806121600.MAA00134@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:59:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing In-Reply-To: <19980612152417.8204.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:24 AM 6/12/98 -0700, you wrote: >Any lawyers on the list? Below is the Tennessee code for drag racing, >should he have been able to beat the ticket? > >55-10-501. Definitions. >Statute text >As used in this part, unless the context otherwise requires: > >(1) "Drag racing" means that use of any motor vehicle for the purpose of >ascertaining the maximum speed obtainable by the vehicle; the use of any >motor vehicle for the purpose of ascertaining the highest obtainable >speed of the vehicle within a certain distance or within a certain time >limit; the use of any one (1) or more motor vehicles for the purpose of >comparing the relative speeds of such vehicle or vehicles, That sounds interesting. Wonder if you could use it to challenge a cop who has been "pacing" you to acertain the relative speed of the two vehicles. Hmmm. >or for >comparing the relative speeds of such vehicle or vehicles within a >certain distance or within a certain time limit; the use of one (1) or >more motor vehicles in an attempt to out gain, outdistance or to arrive >at a given destination simultaneous with or prior to that of any other >motor vehicle; the use of any motor vehicle for the purpose of the >accepting of, or the carrying out of any challenge, made orally, in >writing, or otherwise, made or received >with reference to the performance abilities of one (1) or more motor >vehicles; > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 12:07:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02853; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29139; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15986 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:06:52 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256621.0058BF15 ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:09:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256621.00562CB8.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:09:14 -0400 Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Actually, they do work on those sorts of issues. Yes I know they do. But maybe they are not putting as much effort into them as they could because so much time and effort is going into the helmet issue. When the helmet law issue becomes a low priority, back burner item, then and only then will I support them. Based on the cross section of riders that I have spoken to about this issue, there are many many thousands of riders that feel the same way I do. Get the AMA to put the helmet issue low on the list and they might get a whole lot more support. Or then again maybe the majority of members do care more about helmet laws, and the AMA might lose members if they put it low on the list. But somehow I doubt it. I may be totally wrong in thinking they make helmets their top issue. Does anyone know how the AMA allocates their funds and what issues are their highest priorities. I would be interested in seeing a breakdown of their priorities. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 12:09:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02893; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29172; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16065 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ewinslow@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11524; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:09:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance Madness In-Reply-To: <199806121527.LAA14775@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had a bad experience with Progressive also. They wanted to classify a Suzuki GS500E as a sportbike! Meanwhile, the same classification did not apply to a Yamaha SecaII. Go figure. I went with GEICO for half the price. On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > Further proof you have to shop around for bike insurance! > > I called Progressive yesterday and was quoted $1,793.00/year for a GPz1100. > Comment from customer service person "Well, that bike is in the high > performance group." UGH! > > Called State Farm for quote on same bike. Was told "Well, it'll definitely > cost more than what your XT350 used to be." How much more? $116! I was > paying $224 for the XT, and apparently would pay the ghastly sum of > $340/year for the GPz. Granted I've had cages insured with them for 12 > years and probably have every discount possible, and I live way out in the > 'burbs. But $1400 less per year? > > Hmmm.... $1793 or $340.... Goodbye Progressive! :) > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 12:17:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02980; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29297; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16378 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Fri Jun 12 10:58 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA29540 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:17:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD95FC.116FF8D0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:17:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cyclocomputer on a car . . .*little* MC content Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:17:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since some people on the list have attached cyclocomputers to their MC's, I was wondering if anyone, (Leon), had thought about attaching one to a car. Why? Well, it would be nice in my car to have a trip meter and other functions a cyclocomputer gives. The only place it could mount would be on the propeller shaft or front disc/rotor. How would you adjust the computer for such a small "wheel" diameter? Is it possible? John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 12:28:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03060; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29406; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16641 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:28:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: FW: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:28:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Oops, sorry. I meant semi-colons. This one really is a pig -- anyone trying to pass anyone else could be construed as "attempting to outgain, outdistance, etc..." It looks like it was written by an inept or inexperienced individual (see Dan Brown's note on a cop pacing you to establish your speed, that drag racing pig), and ought to be found unconstitutionally vague. Maybe they could find the judge dumb enough to enforce this crap, and have someone pace him through traffic, someone else videotaping them, then turn the evidence, the record of recent convictions, and the statute over to the judicial misconduct panel. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mersch, Tom > Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 11:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing > > > Not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that the clauses separated by colons are > EACH a statement of sufficiency, so meeting any one of them could trigger > the statute. The test of having to exceed the posted limit (on a roadway) > is notably absent. What the jury instructions would be for determining > whether two or more drivers were operating their vehicles "...for the > purpose of...", and how the jury would respond, is for the legal eagles. > I'd be interested in seeing the case law being developed on this one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Burger [SMTP:donburger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 11:24 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing > > Any lawyers on the list? Below is the Tennessee code for drag racing, > should he have been able to beat the ticket? > > 55-10-501. Definitions. > Statute text > As used in this part, unless the context otherwise requires: > > (1) "Drag racing" means that use of any motor vehicle for the purpose of > ascertaining the maximum speed obtainable by the vehicle; the use of any > motor vehicle for the purpose of ascertaining the highest obtainable > speed of the vehicle within a certain distance or within a certain time > limit; the use of any one (1) or more motor vehicles for the purpose of > comparing the relative speeds of such vehicle or vehicles, or for > comparing the relative speeds of such vehicle or vehicles within a > certain distance or within a certain time limit; the use of one (1) or > more motor vehicles in an attempt to out gain, outdistance or to arrive > at a given destination simultaneous with or prior to that of any other > motor vehicle; the use of any motor vehicle for the purpose of the > accepting of, or the carrying out of any challenge, made orally, in > writing, or otherwise, made or received > with reference to the performance abilities of one (1) or more motor > vehicles; > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 12:30:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03080; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29434; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16683 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ewinslow@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA26444 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap In-Reply-To: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267BB@DADC015> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can do it year by year for $29/year. 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Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 13:15:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03658; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00759; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18526 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806121715.NAA18526@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A1F29890234; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:14:26 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:57:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap In-Reply-To: <85256621.0051F2F0.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:11 AM 6/12/98 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: >>Don't wait to join. The AMA is working on this sort of stuff all the time. >>They need the members and the money. > >No way. They are going to have to prove themselves to me first. And they >won't get any of my money until they do. When they have shifted their >focus from issues like "helmet laws" to worthy causes like this "Deal's >Gap Nazi Storm Troopers" scenario, - then and only then will they have won >me over. >Steve Beck The AMA support for helmet use and their oppostion to helmet laws will always alienate some riders, understandably so. However, consider all the good the AMA has done in fighting bike bans (such as the now-defunct ban in Brockton, Massachusetts) and the AMA efforts to get bikes included as HOV vehicles for federally-funded highways (Interstates), and the AMA efforts fighting the Spartanburg South Carolina police action. The AMA is the only real federal-level motorcyclist rights group. ABATE is state-level and MRF is small enough that the AMA still leads in this arena. I say, join the AMA then press the issues you believe are the most important for motorcyclists. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 13:15:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03657; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00761; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18529 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806121715.NAA18529@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A1F39890234; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:14:27 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:05:33 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:28 PM 6/12/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: >Oops, sorry. I meant semi-colons. This one really is a pig -- anyone >trying to pass anyone else could be construed as "attempting to outgain, >outdistance, etc..." It looks like it was written by an inept or >inexperienced individual (see Dan Brown's note on a cop pacing you to >establish your speed, that drag racing pig), and ought to be found >unconstitutionally vague. I think it was written to catch drag racers who didn't exceed the speed limit. Begin from a stop, accelerate, first one to the speed limit wins. Agreed that it's quite vague, and could be used to initiate all sorts of scary legal action against an out-of-towner. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 13:24:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03891; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00999; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19179 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 349; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:24:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3581643C.F359A3A6@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:24:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sbeck@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap References: <85256621.0051F2F0.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > > No way. They are going to have to prove themselves to me first. And they > won't get any of my money until they do. When they have shifted their > focus from issues like "helmet laws" to worthy causes like this "Deal's > Gap Nazi Storm Troopers" scenario, - then and only then will they have won > me over. > My sentiments regarding AMA exactly. Drop this silly helmet crap. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 13:24:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03889; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00994; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13696 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA10776; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:22:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:22:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance Madness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... not the DREADED Geico thread again! On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Eric Winslow wrote: ...stuff chopped... > apply to a Yamaha SecaII. Go figure. I went with GEICO for half the price. ...more stuff chopped... -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 15:03:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05840; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03082; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23511 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:03:32 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA28655 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:02:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199806121902.AA28655@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:02:42 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:02:42 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:02:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:01:13 -0400 Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap To: louis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806121415.KAA02968@shell.clark.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME YEAH! That's right! What's it gonna be next? Video in the bedrooms??!!? -aki (taking off early to burn all his video tapes at home).. > > > I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are heading - > > BIG BROTHER. > > I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? > > Well, think of some of the things that are actually illegal in the bedroom > (or out), especially in Virginia and other Southern states. Gawd, I hope > they never decide to crack down on some of those! They'd have to arrest > anyone who actually wants to have some fun with their spouse/significant > other. > > Louis > > > Content-Type: text > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 15:09:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05946; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03152; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known [206.135.160.194] [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23670 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:09:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:09:32 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap -Reply > > No way. They are going to have to prove themselves to me first. And they > won't get any of my money until they do. When they have shifted their > focus from issues like "helmet laws" to worthy causes like this "Deal's > Gap Nazi Storm Troopers" scenario, - then and only then will they have won me over. "My sentiments regarding AMA exactly. Drop this silly helmet crap." Come on, guys. It's not that helmet laws are a silly idea... "It's the principle of the whole thing." Just like the National Rifle Association lobbies against a mandatory 5-day waiting period before the purchase of a handgun, the AMA lobbies against mandatory helmet laws NOT because such laws wouldn't save lives, limit injuries, etc. BUT BECAUSE ANY MANDATORY LEGISLATION WHATSOEVER IS THE FIRST LOGICAL STEP TOWARD the ever-more limited (read: RESTRICTED) sale and use of your favorite products (bikes, guns, whatever). Give your legislators and inch, and they'll bite your head off. Remember: they're elected officials, and they're here to serve YOU! Don't let them take your rights away without a fight! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 15:10:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05950; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03175; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23712 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:10:46 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA29034 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:09:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199806121909.AA29034@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:09:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:09:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:09:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:08:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap To: mrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35814116.27D5DEFD@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..I'm curious...has the cops there harassed only people on sport bikes? Are Wingers and cruisers getting the same kind of harassment? How about Harley riders? This might be a form of focused discrimination...possibly from repeated violations in the past from specific types of bikes. Not that THAT makes it right, I'm just curious.. -aki > Finally, prosecute everyone who was caught with the same > degree of zeal. If the incident at Deal's Gap were done that way, I'd > have no problem with it. But, it sounds like many were exempted from > the inspection, and that different degrees of thoroughness were used in > both the inspection and the prosecution. That isn't the right way to do > things. > > > > Don Burger wrote: > > > > I may not like these kinds of police tactics, but lets look at it from > > the police/establishment point of view. They need to protect an 11 mile > > stretch of road that every motorcycle rider east of the Mississippi > > wants to come and ride on. When the "squid factor" is added into the > > equation there is an ever increasing chance for mayhem and carnage. I'm > > sure they get tired of sending ambulances up there to pick up people who > > found out the hard way they can't ride worth sh*t. If I were the police > > up there I would patrol the hell out of the area as well. If people > > don't want to put up with the harassment, find someplace else to go. > > Then maybe the locals will complain "where did all the money go that I > > used to make off the motorcycle riders?" > > > > So we all pay the price for the actions of a few. > > > > Sometimes life isn't fair, but whover told you it is lied. > > > > My two cents. > > Don B - 96 F3 > > > > >From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > > >To: "'Linda Tanner'" , > > > Dc-Cycles > > > > > >Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap > > >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:31:59 -0400 > > > > > >I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are heading - > > >BIG BROTHER. > > >I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? > > > > > >- Jeannette > > > > > > > > >> From what I read, the videotape did not verify any laws being broken > > >> only > > >> presence and identity. I did *NOT* exceed the speed limit at Deal's > > >> Gap. > > >> Other roads in the vicinity, perhaps, but not in the Gap. I would > > >> resent > > >> being accused of breaking the law merely by my presence and > > equipment. > > >> > > >> Consider your own motives and don't think everyone is the same. > > >> > > >> LindaT. > > >> 95 F3 Purple Haze > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 15:17:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05989; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03389; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23912 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ykZKG-0006JN-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:17:24 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:14:41 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D746833@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , louis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:15:43 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I didn't say making your OUR videos is wrong... ; ) > -----Original Message----- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 3:01 PM > To: louis@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap > > YEAH! That's right! What's it gonna be next? Video in > the bedrooms??!!? > > -aki (taking off early to burn all his video tapes at home).. > > > > > > > > I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are > heading > - > > > BIG BROTHER. > > > I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? > > > > Well, think of some of the things that are actually illegal in the > bedroom > > (or out), especially in Virginia and other Southern states. Gawd, I > hope > > they never decide to crack down on some of those! They'd have to > arrest > > anyone who actually wants to have some fun with their > spouse/significant > > other. > > > > Louis > > > > > > Content-Type: text > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 15:24:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06117; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03625; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24226 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA29382 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:23:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap In-Reply-To: <199806121909.AA29034@egate2.citicorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > ..I'm curious...has the cops there harassed only people on > sport bikes? Are Wingers and cruisers getting the same > kind of harassment? How about Harley riders? Hmmm, I wasn't stopped there while on my Hawk GT. It's a naked bike (yes, a bike you're supposed to ride while naked) and I had lots of luggage on and looked very unsportbike like. I wasn't there during a crackdown and I saw no roadblocks... I did pass three vehicles over the double yellow with a cop 2 vehicles behind me though. No pursuit or anything... Wow, Aki, are you the one drawing the excessive quotes complaints? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 15:34:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06245; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03901; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24517 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ykZa5-0000pN-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:33:45 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:25:48 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D746837@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , louis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:26:51 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain woops, that should've been "OWN" not our. > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 3:16 PM > To: 'aki.damme@XXXXXX'; louis@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap > > Well, I didn't say making your OUR videos is wrong... ; ) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 3:01 PM > > To: louis@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap > > > > YEAH! That's right! What's it gonna be next? Video in > > the bedrooms??!!? > > > > -aki (taking off early to burn all his video tapes at home).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are > > heading > > - > > > > BIG BROTHER. > > > > I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? > > > > > > Well, think of some of the things that are actually illegal in the > > bedroom > > > (or out), especially in Virginia and other Southern states. Gawd, > I > > hope > > > they never decide to crack down on some of those! They'd have to > > arrest > > > anyone who actually wants to have some fun with their > > spouse/significant > > > other. > > > > > > Louis > > > > > > > > > Content-Type: text > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 15:37:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06304; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03964; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24574 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:37:13 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA01828 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:36:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199806121936.AA01828@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:36:50 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:36:50 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:36:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:25:58 -0400 Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap To: jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D746833@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME oh WHEW!!.. then (blush) ...never mind.. > Well, I didn't say making your OUR videos is wrong... ; ) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 3:01 PM > > To: louis@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap > > > > YEAH! That's right! What's it gonna be next? Video in > > the bedrooms??!!? > > > > -aki (taking off early to burn all his video tapes at home).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are > > heading > > - > > > > BIG BROTHER. > > > > I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? > > > > > > Well, think of some of the things that are actually illegal in the > > bedroom > > > (or out), especially in Virginia and other Southern states. Gawd, I > > hope > > > they never decide to crack down on some of those! They'd have to > > arrest > > > anyone who actually wants to have some fun with their > > spouse/significant > > > other. > > > > > > Louis > > > > > > > > > Content-Type: text > > > > > > > > X-Priority: 3 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 16:13:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06769; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04829; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25619 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 172; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:12:39 -0400 Message-ID: <35818BB1.EA98B3B5@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:12:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap References: <199806121909.AA29034@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > ..I'm curious...has the cops there harassed only people on > sport bikes? Are Wingers and cruisers getting the same > kind of harassment? How about Harley riders? > Well, like Leon noted, everybody was stopped when we were at No Big Deal's Gap, cagers, 4X4'ers, bikers, to have drivers' licenses checked. Of course, the only guys I saw pulled over were bikers, but sheer numbers probably were the reason for that. The guy who blew past me on a Buell also had to pull off the road at the checkpoint. I don't know why, maybe he didn't have the motorcycle endorsement on his license. Or maybe he was wearing leathers and a helmet and was riding a hot sport bike? I don't think any of our DC-Cycles group that was down there for the weekend got unduly hassled by the man. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 16:19:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06914; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04922; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25921 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 212; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:19:16 -0400 Message-ID: <35818D3A.2CB4C11A@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:19:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Wakefield CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Wakefield wrote: > > BUT BECAUSE ANY MANDATORY LEGISLATION > WHATSOEVER IS THE FIRST LOGICAL STEP TOWARD the ever-more > limited (read: RESTRICTED) sale and use of your favorite products (bikes, > guns, whatever). > > Give your legislators and inch, and they'll bite your head off. Remember: > they're elected officials, and they're here to serve YOU! Don't let them > take your rights away without a fight! -- David, I'm all for fighting to protect one's rights, but the AMA needs to pick the battles a little more carefully. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say we have a right to ride without a helmet. Or even a right to loud pipes. When I see carefully crafted arguments to the contrary, all it does is piss me off, and (I think) make all of us bikers look silly and selfish. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 16:23:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07015; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04990; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26062 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806122023.QAA26062@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MX4NT6KQ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:28:06 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:23:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Sunday's ERC Class In-Reply-To: <35818BB1.EA98B3B5@tidalwave.net> References: <199806121909.AA29034@egate2.citicorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Who all is going to be taking the ERC class on Sunday? I know a few dc-cycles folks are (including myself!). Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 16:41:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07222; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05257; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known [206.135.160.194] [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26438 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:40:55 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:40:55 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA -Reply "Nowhere in the Constitution does it say we have a right to ride without a helmet." Ah, details, details. It's the American legal-loophole way that if something isn't specifically outlawed, it must be legal, right? But, I'm straying from the point here. I live in Maryland. Once upon a time (in Maryland), it was "legal" to ride without a helmet. Then in the 70s, government do-gooders made it "illegal." Well, some ten years later, ABATE of MD and its supporters successfully lobbied against this, and suddenly it was once more "legal" to ride without a helmet. Ah, but the story continues... Another ten years later in early 90s, government do-gooders yet again made it "illegal" to ride without a helmet, and now ABATE of MD is on the warpath to have such legislation repealed for a second time. My point: Riding without a helmet in Maryland wasn't always "illegal." In fact, it's been legal at least twice in recent history. What are legislators saying to Joe Public when they go back and forth on an issue like this? Alcohol was illegal once, and now it's legal. I'm confused! Is it bad for me (and society) or not? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 17:00:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07474; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06370; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26997 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA11107 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806122102.RAA11107@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Ursulina's sleeping bag... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Ursulina, your sleeping bag is at my home. Gimme a call at 858-2464 and I will let you have it back... _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 17:09:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07627; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06997; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27324 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 177; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:09:43 -0400 Message-ID: <35819910.FD650E70@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:09:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Wakefield CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Wakefield wrote: > > I live in Maryland. Once upon a time (in Maryland), it was "legal" > to ride without a helmet. Then "illegal." once more > "legal" "illegal" Sounds like your problem there is more related to idiotic legislators than anything else. One good voter turnout could change all that. :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 17:21:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07778; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07508; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27556 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ewinslow@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20960; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:20:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: Dale Horstman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA (longish) In-Reply-To: <35818D3A.2CB4C11A@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just to make sure the AMA is not credited with following one of the below mentioned positions. The AMA is thoroughly against loud pipes, and in the past year has published many letters and at least one editorial on the topic. Their position has been consistent, at least recently. Until the federal extortion policy (i.e., have a helmet law or lose your federal highway funding) was fairly recently removed, the helmet debate has been just about moot as almost all the states buckled under the threat of lost highway funds. Now, the hottest topic on the helmet front is motorcyclists in certain states doing just about anything to get a bill passed to allow them to ride helmetless. They're willing to have it written into legislation that motorcyclists are 'social burdens' and need to take measures that other citizens do not in order to protect society from this burden. (Helmeted or helmetless, studies have shown that motorcyclists are not more of a social burden due to injuries suffered during the pursuit of their passion, than are cage drivers. Some have shown the cage drivers putting more of a *social burden* on society.) A 'go helmetless, show the state that you've taken extra measures to pay for the consequences' laws have been passed in Texas, and a few are being worked on in other states; Florida, Tennessee, I believe, and a related measure in one of the New England states. The AMA is doing what it can to fight these "helmet law repeals" and the misguided motorcyclists that are supporting them. The AMA recognizes the danger in codifying the proposition that society needs to be protected from motorcyclists, whatever form that protection takes. I'd say they're picking some good battles. On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > David, > > I'm all for fighting to protect one's rights, but the AMA > needs to pick the battles a little more carefully. Nowhere > in the Constitution does it say we have a right to ride > without a helmet. Or even a right to loud pipes. When I > see carefully crafted arguments to the contrary, all it > does is piss me off, and (I think) make all of us bikers > look silly and selfish. > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 17:42:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07955; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08480; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28009 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:42:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFVUa05732; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9ef3025a.3581a084@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:41:23 EDT To: merscht@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Full Body Racing Leather Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-12 10:11:06 EDT, merscht@XXXXXX writes: << - Local merchant, remote merchant, catalog Local Merchant (The Dirt Shop in College Park) - Off the rack, initially tailored, or later modified for fit Off the rack fit was fine (I am 5'8" 155 lbs.) - Break in period and lingering differences between full leather and al fresco Been wearing leathers too long to remember al fresco. Break-in on this new set was quick. - Did you have to (we know about you, Colin) or want to Don't understand - Would you do it again given the same circumstances that led you to do it in the first place >> If you can find a set off the rack that fit pretty close it's a good deal usually. Suggest a two piece suit unless you only want it for racing. New suit is a two-piece (approved for racing with 360 degree zipper) and much more versatile than my old 1-piece. When you get to where you are going it is great to able to unzip the top and walk around with the pants alone. By the way, it is an AGV Sport2 suit relatively inexpensive but has done fairly well in tests I've seen. It has armor but no knee built in knee pucks. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 17:49:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08057; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09182; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28299 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:49:48 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFKIa22588 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:48:44 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-12 12:33:08 EDT, you write: << Maybe they could find the judge dumb enough to enforce this crap, and have someone pace him through traffic, someone else videotaping them, then turn the evidence, the record of recent convictions, and the statute over to the judicial misconduct panel. >> Come on now.......we ALL know that when it comes to law enforcement they only have to enforce them NOT follow them.....sheesh. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 17:52:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08091; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09239; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28380 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.141]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 411; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:52:34 -0400 Message-ID: <35815AB0.83963CD5@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:43:28 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mersch, Tom" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Saturday ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mersch, Tom wrote: > Don't want to throw a wrench into the works at the last minute, > especially since I initially supported Saturday, but the weather reports > indicate that Saturday afternoon will be bad, perhaps lasting into early > Sunday morning. Maybe we should try Sunday instead. > > Tom M. we should be done before the chance of a shower hits us...hopefully but i and some others are not available for sunday as we are attending the horsepower shhot out at fast lane cycles in chantilly....so i am hoping for a decent saturday :~)Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 17:58:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08157; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09651; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28519 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:57:53 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLIJa22301 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4009cd4f.3581a40d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:56:28 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Drag racing.....personal experience Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Not long ago a riding buddy and I were standing at the stoplight at the intersection of Frontier Dr and Franconia Rd over by Springfield Mall. Me on my TL and he one his GSXR 7/11 decided we would do a short sprint but NOT exceed the speed limit. What I failed to notice was a Fairfax cop behind me in an Oldsmobile 88 (yes, that isnt a typo.....see earlier thread about stealthy cops). When the light changed we punched it and ran up to speed limit of 35 in only about 2 seconds. Next thing I know there are flashing lights in my side view. We stop and the cop tells us that we are drag racing. My response was "We didnt exceed the limit and didnt endanger anyone since we were at the front of the line". The cop tells me that technically it IS drag racing no matter the speeds involved or if any danger is there. Luckily he rides too......and after asking us about our bikes he let us go with just the warning. Jack PS-we tied on the race.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:24:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08319; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10350; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29086 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.104]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 286 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:55 -0400 Message-ID: <358163E4.DA1A87FA@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:22:44 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Saturday Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit checking to see who, and how many may show.. :~) already confirmed are: bruce n. craig tom t. sean s. jon s. john k. and the weather man on ch 7 at 6;00 said o.k. until late p.m. :~) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:26:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08330; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10360; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29091 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ursulina's sleeping bag... Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:05 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Ursulina, your sleeping bag is at my home. I can't even begin to describe my jealousy. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:26:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08332; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10362; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29094 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: AMA Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:07 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Dale Horstman" , "David Wakefield" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> I live in Maryland. Once upon a time (in Maryland), it was "legal" >> to ride without a helmet. Then "illegal." once more >> "legal" "illegal" > >Sounds like your problem there is more related to idiotic >legislators than anything else. One good voter turnout >could change all that. :-) So that we could have consistent intelligent decisions, or consistent stupid decisions? Which is right, having the law, or not? Is law supposed to be set in stone? Only the ten commandmants. The reason everything else is on paper is because it's gotta change. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:26:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08338; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10368; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29103 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:13 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Eric Winslow" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >You can do it year by year for $29/year. After about 20 years, they give you the lifetime membership. Maybe it's 25 years. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:26:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08342; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10370; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29107 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: AMA (longish) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:10 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Eric Winslow" , "Dale Horstman" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Now, the hottest topic on the helmet front is motorcyclists in certain >states doing just about anything to get a bill passed to allow them to >ride helmetless. I've noticed that in American Motorcyclist, they refer to 'other groups' proposing these laws. Are they ABATE groups, or just random groups of morons? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:26:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08347; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10380; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29112 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:19 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >..I'm curious...has the cops there harassed only people on >sport bikes? Are Wingers and cruisers getting the same >kind of harassment? How about Harley riders? Have only heard of BMW riders and sport(ish) riders being hassled. Never read anything on the Wing list about getting trouble down there. Don't know about Harley's, although I vaguely remember hearing that while one sport biker was pulled over, a harley with slash cuts rolled by, the cop waved and smiled. Only one weak data point. >This might be a form of focused discrimination...possibly from >repeated violations in the past from specific types of bikes. If provable, could make for a civil rights case. Which is probably the only way to get them to change their procedures. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:26:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08351; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10382; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29114 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kawasaki GPz1100? Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:15 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Dc-Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I don't know if a GPz will even be a good bike for me size-wise, and I'd >have to find a new home for the Nighthawk before I can buy a new bike. I >guess I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with the GPz's, or knows >much about them (positive or negative). Just trying to make an informed >decision! :) Well, it's a Kawasaki, so we know it has more personality than your average Honda (no flames, got one of each:p) Seriously though, I've only read good things about it. I used to have a copy of some moto-rag from about 1994 that spoke highly of it. The only caveats are that all of the magazine boys wanted ZX-11's instead. Don't think they're the same bike. If you get one, I wanna see it sometime. They always seemed a bit more rational than most bikes. BTW, if you are considering this, don't rule out the Concours. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:27:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08356; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10389; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29120 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:21 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Don Burger" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I may not like these kinds of police tactics, but lets look at it from >the police/establishment point of view. They need to protect an 11 mile >stretch of road that every motorcycle rider east of the Mississippi >wants to come and ride on. When the "squid factor" is added into the >equation there is an ever increasing chance for mayhem and carnage. I'm >sure they get tired of sending ambulances up there to pick up people who >found out the hard way they can't ride worth sh*t. If I were the police >up there I would patrol the hell out of the area as well. If people >don't want to put up with the harassment, find someplace else to go. >Then maybe the locals will complain "where did all the money go that I >used to make off the motorcycle riders? I'd like to see the accident vs. usage statistics for this stretch of road. IOW, do motorcyclists make up 10% of the traffic, yet 20% of the accidents? Or 10% of the traffic, and 10% of the accidents. People piss and moan about the gov't spending too much money. This could (theoretically) be a way to save money (it's certainly generating it:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:27:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08357; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10391; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29121 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA12067; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980612182904.0069fac0@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 12 Jun 1998 22:26:38 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:29:04 -0400 To: dlowenst@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Full Body Racing Leather Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806121446.KAA11515@smtp.mastermind-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:39 AM 6/12/98 -0400, David Lowenstein wrote: >I can't address the (ahem) full-body experience, but I can give you >one very positive data point with Vanson Leathers. Tom, I'll second Dave's comments on Vanson. I bought my first Vanson jacket in 1983 when I lived in Boston and it's still in great shape today. In 1993, I went back to their shop south of Boston and got a full, armored suit. Interestingly, although it costs a fair amount to get a custom suit, you can often take a standard size and then have minor alterations done (longer sleeves, smaller waist) and have a "custom" fitting suit for nearly off-the-rack prices. They will also add pockets, snaps, vents, perforations, etc., to your specifications. If you're any sort of off size, you might consider going there. You can also pick any colors you want. I got mine in white/black/orange and had them throw on a silver Scotchlite stripe on the back. I've got a picture of it on my website (jacket only). Quality is outstanding and they are a pleasure to work with. They have recently promoted a faster turnaround time for simple repairs on snaps and zippers. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:27:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08363; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10394; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29127 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FW: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:24 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Mersch, Tom" , "'dc-cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Oops, sorry. I meant semi-colons. This one really is a pig -- anyone >trying to pass anyone else could be construed as "attempting to outgain, >outdistance, etc..." It looks like it was written by an inept or >inexperienced individual (see Dan Brown's note on a cop pacing you to >establish your speed, that drag racing pig), and ought to be found >unconstitutionally vague. I think it was written by someone SMART. Being this vague allows the cops to give you an inflated charge for most any motor vehicle violation. As far as constitutionality, jury trials, etc, etc... Remember, in many (most, all?) states, traffic laws are tried in civil court, not criminal court. Not only do you not have a right to a jury, there is also a much lower burden of evidence on the part of the prosecution. >Maybe they could find the judge dumb enough to enforce this crap, and have >someone pace him through traffic, someone else videotaping them, then turn >the evidence, the record of recent convictions, and the statute over to the >judicial misconduct panel. I thought it was a judge who wanted to 'clean up the Gap' or some such language. Sounds like you don't have to go far in Tenn. to find that dumb judge. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:27:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08367; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10404; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29131 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: AMA Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:26 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Dale Horstman" , "David Wakefield" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I'm all for fighting to protect one's rights, but the AMA >needs to pick the battles a little more carefully. Nowhere >in the Constitution does it say we have a right to ride >without a helmet. On what basis is a helmet law implemented? It is not a power specifically granted to the federal government. Nor have I seen a state constitution granting this power. It certainly isn't to protect other folks. It's to protect me, and only the paternal parasites in our halls of government seem to think they can make my own decisions better than I can. Personally, I'm against helmet laws because it slows down Darwin. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:27:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08372; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10417; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29139 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Insurance Madness Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:32 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Dc-Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Anita, Sounds about right. I've been with State Farm since 1989. While I can beat their car rates, I can't find a combination of moto/auto rates that is less than state farm, even with multi bike, garage, MSF, AMA etc, etc discounts. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 18:27:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08370; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10409; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29135 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:24:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:29 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I may be totally wrong in thinking they make helmets their top issue. Does >anyone know how the AMA allocates their funds and what issues are their >highest priorities. I would be interested in seeing a breakdown of their >priorities. Not sure how they allocate funds, but the rational behind spending so much money/time/effort on helmets is more or less like this: Helmet laws are common. By making broad statements (irresponsible cyclists, burden on society, etc) that thinking gets more ingrained in the legislature. This heads 'em off at the pass, so to speak, when it comes to community bans, street bans, etc. It's basically a 'slippery slope' argument. Give an inch, give a mile. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 20:59:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09572; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16336; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01593 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA16942; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3581F9A3.71@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:01:39 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: George Howell , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Subject: Re: Ursulina's sleeping bag... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 18:29:05 -0400 From: George Howell >>Ursulina, your sleeping bag is at my home. > I can't even begin to describe my jealousy. Hehehe, I was gonna touch this one, but thought better of it.. Hooo boy ;) Careful George! ;) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 21:18:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09692; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17096; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01853 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:18:04 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMKQa04364 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:17:32 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:17:32 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: AMA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Well, finally, something worth arguing. I am a member of ABATE, A Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments. A group of motorcyclists dedicated to impoving motorcycle legislature, and giving the freedom to choose, so that one day, you might see The right to not wear a helmet in the constitution. Thats a little far fetched, but its a point. And I know alot of people think that its just a bunch of Harley Guys worried about riding withough a helmet, but its not like that at all. There are people out there who are trying to make it law to wear a helmet with a third brake light in it, now, I know some people who might like that, but not everyone needs that, its rediculous. And how about over in Europe, they are currently testing side leg protectors, that are supposed to gaurd against sideswipes(looks more to me like a way to keep me trapped in an accident), and then theres the genius who invented the inflatable safety suit, much like an air bag you wear. Hmm, let me, see, so when I fall off my bike, my body gets constricted and crushed, yeah, thats what I want. I mean cmon, if we let these rules just come pouring down when will it stop? Maybe ive gotten off the subject alittle, but its something that I stand close too. If anyone has any questions about ABATE, dont hesitate to ask. Sean G. Petr 98 TL1000R "Ride Free!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 22:43:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10153; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18189; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02925 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19936; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust020.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.20]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA13775 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:45:45 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980613024001.006ad7f0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:40:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cyclocomputer on a car . . .*little* MC content At 12:17 12-06-98 -0400, John Carver wrote: >Since some people on the list have attached cyclocomputers to their >MC's, I was wondering if anyone, (Leon), had thought about attaching >one to a car. Why? Well, it would be nice in my car to have a trip >meter and other functions a cyclocomputer gives. The only place it >could mount would be on the propeller shaft or front disc/rotor. How >would you adjust the computer for such a small "wheel" diameter? Is >it possible? On the prop shaft, the wheel would appear to be small (wheel circumference divided by final drive ratio) but on the rotor it would be well within the parameters of most cyclometers. It's probably possible. JC Whitney used to sell a driving computer that included fuel economy for about $100. It was made for that sort of thing. I had one on a bordello-van (predecessor to the mommy-van) back in the mid 80's. Leon. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 23:34:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10420; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18545; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03520 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr50-dialup41.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EUH00K0L0IMDT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:32:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:31:56 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Saturday ride To: jencraig , DC Cycle Club Message-id: <007b01bd95f5$b57df960$694f37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 If it's not wet out when I get up, I'll be on a white FZR 600......... Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: jencraig To: Jon Schumer Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Saturday ride > > >Jon Schumer wrote: > >> Re: Saturday ride >> >> Any chance I could squeeze into the ride? I'd love to get a chance to join >> some fast people, weather permitting of course. Chevron off of Rt.28 in >> Point of Rocks at 9:15am? >> >> Jon Schumer >> > >Sure you can all you have to do is be there :~) >what do you ride ??? >Craig > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 23:34:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10424; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18549; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03530 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust042.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.42]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA14807; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:37:42 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980613033159.0069ae80@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:31:59 -0400 To: George Howell , "Don Burger" , "DC Cycles" From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap The first time I went to Deal's Gap was about 6 years ago. It was reported that there were 6 accidents that weekend, all motorcycles. There may be more than the normal number of car accidents on that road per mile travelled but I'd bet that motorcyclists have more accidents per mile on that road than almost any other road in the country. If I remember correctly, the MSF statistics say that motorcycles are 2% of the registered vehicles and 6% of the accidents. I think the real numbers are on-line in the US DOT site somewhere. Leon. At 18:29 12-06-98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >I'd like to see the accident vs. usage statistics for this stretch of >road. IOW, do motorcyclists make up 10% of the traffic, yet 20% of the >accidents? Or 10% of the traffic, and 10% of the accidents. > >People piss and moan about the gov't spending too much money. This could >(theoretically) be a way to save money (it's certainly generating it:) > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 12 23:53:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10508; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18684; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (known denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03757 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip139.herndon24.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.176.139]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00472; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3581F8B2.665A2883@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:57:38 -0400 From: Randy Dow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dysart@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: NRA life membership Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------------------------------------------ From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:15:08 -0400 I agree with Steve 100%. Speaking of the AMA do they have a conditional life membership like the NRA has were you can pay a little at a time? It would really suck to get off that $500 in one lump sum. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX -------------------------------------- It's going to suck even more when you can't buy the gun you want (or *any* gun for that matter) because the NRA didn't have the money to help elect politicians who were willing to vote against the ineffective (against crime anyway), but politically correct, antigun laws. I find it alarming that liberals like all the amendments except the second. BTW, don't forget your life memberships in the Second Amendment Foundation and the AMA (I knew I could get some motorcycle content in there). Maybe you could take out a loan on your bike to come up with the life membership fees. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 00:13:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11056; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19947; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (known denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04008 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip139.herndon24.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.176.139]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11325; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3581FCE9.27334D3C@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:15:38 -0400 From: Randy Dow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: RE: AMA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:19:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: David Wakefield CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA David Wakefield wrote: > > BUT BECAUSE ANY MANDATORY LEGISLATION > WHATSOEVER IS THE FIRST LOGICAL STEP TOWARD the ever-more > limited (read: RESTRICTED) sale and use of your favorite products (bikes, > guns, whatever). > > Give your legislators and inch, and they'll bite your head off. Remember: > they're elected officials, and they're here to serve YOU! Don't let them > take your rights away without a fight! -- David, I'm all for fighting to protect one's rights, but the AMA needs to pick the battles a little more carefully. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say we have a right to ride without a helmet. Or even a right to loud pipes. When I see carefully crafted arguments to the contrary, all it does is piss me off, and (I think) make all of us bikers look silly and selfish. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) --------------------------------------------------- FYI, the AMA is definitely not in favor of loud pipes and has been trying to educate its membership over the last several years that loud pipes alienate a lot of people, are not safer than quiet pipes, don't sound cool, and can ruin your hearing permanently. On the helmet issue, the AMA is against laws that discriminate against motorcyclists in general like: -- Motorcycle bans--In apartment complexes and subdivisions. -- Helmet laws--Lives would be saved every year if all cagers had to wear helmets or had to wear racing type seat belts. -- Insurance--Mandated only for motorcyclists or for motorcyclist who don't elect to wear a helmet. The AMA does a lot of other stuff than just fight helmet laws (check out their web site to see just what), including protecting your right to ride. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 00:21:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11147; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20288; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04096 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:21:11 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id LXLFa08565; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:20:26 EDT To: DavidW@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: AMA -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 More to the point, who is deciding that riding with helmets is or isn't safe? Are people voting, or is/was it a decision made without the voting public? I prefer my helmet, but I wouldn't make it law! Robert 85 CB450SC (for sale) 83 VT750C (just bought) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 00:36:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11238; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20426; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04232 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:46:12 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267C1@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Eric Winslow'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:46:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) That's not what I'm looking for. Yearly memberships suck cause you have to keep renewing them. And at $29 a year I would have paid the $500 in 17 years and have nothing. I'm only 27 so I think I'll be riding for more then another 17 years. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > You can do it year by year for $29/year. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 00:36:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11243; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20430; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04236 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p11dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.43]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09621; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:35:54 -0400 Message-ID: <35820213.2DC73495@smart.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:37:40 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jencraig CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Saturday Ride References: <358163E4.DA1A87FA@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At last second beach plans went capoot. I'll see ya'll at Point O Rocks at 9:15. :-D jencraig wrote: > checking to see who, and how many may show.. :~) > already confirmed are: > bruce n. > craig > tom t. > sean s. > jon s. > john k. > > and the weather man on ch 7 at 6;00 said o.k. until late p.m. :~) -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 00:55:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11387; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21510; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04368 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:55:19 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WHIYa05134 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:54:46 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Tennesee Statues on Drag Racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-12 18:31:10 EDT, you write: << Remember, in many (most, all?) states, traffic laws are tried in civil court, not criminal court. >> In Fairfax Co. all traffic cases are heard in the traffic court which IS criminal NOT civil. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 08:47:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14228; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00400; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08435 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-25.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.66]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12564 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:46:48 -0400 Message-ID: <10ea01bd96c9$5a159a40$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Sideswiped -- and other eyeopeners Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:46:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 10:13 AM ...... >His car was marked with a sign that said "WH Senate Shuttle #8" ...... We have met the enemy and it is -- our public servants! Yesterday's DC City Paper cover story "To Protect and Swerve" lengthily describes lax DC police driving records, showcasing an April 21 speeding-officer-on-Harley-eclipses-pedestrian incident. Lots of mention of department motorcycles. One general morsel of many -- "Unlike the majority of states, D.C. has a contributory negligence law for auto accident cases. If victims are even 1 percent negligent, they usually cannot recover any damages, Greenberg [of G. and Bederman, the TVers] says." [p.36] Two other recent eyeopeners: o GFS [riding a bicycle w/o helmet] . . . suffered [fatal] head injuries after he veered from the road shoulder into an eastbound lane [of Democracy Blvd], where he collided with a motorcycle, police said. The motorcyclist, HAS, [w/ helmet] . . . was taken to Suburban Hospital in serious condition. [occurred Sunday 6/7, full story with names in later W. Post]. Darn. Another down. Speedy recoveries. And sympathies to the bicycler's family. Seems like another noseeum, this time by a food chain inferior. o From Another List: Arrived at Americade on Friday, May29 at 4:00 pm. Unloaded the bike from the trailer, set it on the side stand and went to move the car to the parking area. Just then ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE. A tornado decided to come down the driveway. Sucked all of the air out of my car and left me choking. Looked out of the window and saw my 1500D doing a 360* flip in mid air and land on the right side. My buddie and two of his friends tried to grab it but went rolling down the hill also. Ten seconds later it was all over. Trees, branches, picnic tables and every thing else that was not bolted down was all over the place. We picked the bike up and this is the damage report: Chrome piece on right throttle grip gone... Small dent in right mirror, glass OK...... Bent right break lever........... Took fringe off right saddle bag concho..... Think I'm B/S'ing? A whole lot of [fellow riders] saw it at Americade. It seems that there was enough uplift in the wind to actually lay it down gently. Any one have a right side stock 1500D mirror they want to sell . . . . . . Just added ground stakes and tiedowns to my trip list! But what to do about floods and earthquakes? A trailer for a float and balloons? Where does this end? Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 09:02:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14270; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00531; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08548 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGVUa22301 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:01:33 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: GPS Speed indicator Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 Linda - I've noticed the same thing - my GPS III is just about dead on in a sampling of 4 cages and about 15% lower than my scooter's speedo. OTOH - this may be good for keeping points off my license..;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 11:34:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14920; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03520; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09668 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-1.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.42]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14502 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:33:56 -0400 Message-ID: <110c01bd96e0$b26ef9e0$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Slab sagings Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:34:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 For biker likers-of-lists, this looks appropriate. From another group. > A MOTORCYCLISTS SURVIVAL GUIDE TO THE INTERSTATE > >Having just finished a 2,400 mile trek across America, I thought I'd share some of >my observations [. . .]. At the risk of annoying some riders who >may disagree with my conclusions, I offer these points in the hope that they may >be of use to some of the less experienced members >[...] > >1. Keep right and keep moving. With today's Interstate speed limits running >between 70-75 MPH there's not much advantage hanging out in the left lane. Plus >you have the added advantage of having access to the shoulder in case of an >emergency. Keep in mind that most folks in the right lane are doing five over the >limit anyway. That's fast enough. Enjoy the ride > >2. Get a windshield. With today's higher speeds, long distance cruising really >requires one. Your face will thank you and your arms will not be as fatigued >enabling you to drive further. > >3. Rest and stretch every 100 miles. This is supposed to be fun. If you need to >get there in a hurry you're better off taking the cage. . > >4. Keep your spacing. I recommend at least 50 -100 ft behind the leading vehicle. >You need time to make navigational adjustments and to see the road. There are all >kinds of jetsam and flotsam littering the roadway, from 2 x 4's to mufflers and >exhaust pipes and pot holes. > >5. Whenever possible ride in the center of the lane. This gives you the most >leeway to take evasive action as well as not getting blown around by >tractor-trailers passing on the left > >6. Trust no one and don't assume anything. Cagers are in a world of their own. >I've seen them talking on cell phones, drinking, smoking, toking, eating, >breeding, smacking their kids. Are these the people you want to trust your life >with? If they cut you off, forget about screaming or giving them the finger. >You're the one on a bike. You're the one in a lose lose situation should there be >a collision. I suggest waving or giving them the peace sign. A lot of bikers don't >like that but what's the alternative? > >7. Don't draft or follow trucks. Intestates are littered with rubber. Truckers use >recaps to save on tire expenses. Recaps come off. If you happen to be behind a >truck when it happens you're fucked. Besides who wants to stare at some moving >billboard for hours on end? > >8. Avoid getting behind pickups that look like they're going or coming from a >garage sale. Half the time they don't bother to tie their loads down properly >resulting in all kinds of garbage sailing out onto the road. > >9. Turn your brights on in congested areas. It's not much but every bit helps. > > >10. If you find yourself in heavy traffic in a major metropolitan area and you are >close to going to the reserve tank, turn on the reserve before the engine damn >near quits on you. Those few seconds, meaning the time it takes to turn the valve, >could be lethal. The deceleration caused by the lack of fuel could lead to you >getting rear ended. > >11. Have fun and remember to keep the shiny side up and the rubber side down > >Jim McInerney I'd add a 7a. Skirt all opaque vehicles -- Trucks, Vans, USV's, etc. etc. Try for clear views ahead at all times. At highway speeds and urban densities, small events way ahead can impact (NoPunIn) us frail slab users very quickly -- an extra second or two can avoid becoming spam in the crush. Comments will go back to the author. Maybe there'll be an update. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 15:56:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17146; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08705; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13512 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08066; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358303C3.4291@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:57:08 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jencraig CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: wet References: <35828AFF.80F29096@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jencraig wrote: > > thanks for the ride > sure hope that you guys made it home dry !!!!! > cause its 3:02 and raining sideways > wind blowing at about 35-45 m.p.h. > next time we do a ride i get to ride behind someone :~) > un fortunalety we did not get to do what i think is the best road > around here > rt 606 & 601 ..... we cut that out at the end of the ride to slab it > back > hope that we can all get together soon and do another ride > see or talk to you all soon Craig (& the rest of y'all too) It's 3:40 here in lovely downtown Arlington and the wind and rain have hit here too! Great ride today Craig, thanks for leading it. Five was definitely a manageable number of riders I thought. Gang, we did a reprise of last week's incident laden, aborted ride just to scare any lingering malevolent spirits - of which, happily, there were none today ;) Lots of nice meandering roads in MD and WVA - I couldn't even begin to recount them all but some come to mind. Maybe Brian will remember the road in MD he and Steve Johnston and I stopped on (wooded area) last year before the rains stopped us... Also some of you are surely familiar with the climbing twisty road behind (across from?) Harper's Ferry.. plus a whole bunch of others including a nice, albeit slightly bumpy ride that spilled out on Rte 7. All in all a great day! And Zbig even showed up to wish us well (thanks Zbig!) and dispel a few ghosts of his own maybe... (We lost him and the Volvo when he got stuck behind a huge truck and we did a few quick left turns) Let's do it again soon. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 18:13:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18007; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10485; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15340 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:12:29 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id EVLYa05730; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:11:22 EDT To: mobacc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sideswiped -- and other eyeopeners Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I'm from Minnesota - land of tornadoes (as well as lakes.....) and there a quite a few good tornado stories floating aorund out there... long time ago, two boys and their mule are walking down the road - tornado comes out of nowhere, picks them up, strips them of all their clothes and the saddle & harness from the mule, and deposits them gently, without a single broken bone, several hours later, many many miles from where they'd been........ true. Marcy In a message dated 98-06-13 08:50:20 EDT, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: << It seems that there was enough uplift in the wind to actually lay it down gently. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 20:41:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18509; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11243; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16448 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.124]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 213; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:41:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3582D561.9F7D3228@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:39:13 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sideswiped -- and other eyeopeners References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm from Minnesota - land of tornadoes (as well as lakes.....) and there a > quite a few good tornado stories floating aorund out there... long time ago, > two boys and their mule are walking down the road - tornado comes out of > nowhere, picks them up, strips them of all their clothes and the saddle & > harness from the mule, and deposits them gently, without a single broken bone, > several hours later, many many miles from where they'd been........ true. > > Marcy > > and just as the story started to get good and catch my interest, thinking that > maybe the tornado had other things on its mind.:~) Exactly what does a tornado do with a mule's saddle and harness ? ;<}Craig Blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 22:13:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18873; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11954; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17041 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8XKIa08707; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:10:56 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d1ce35b.35833132@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:10:56 EDT To: jencraig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sideswiped -- and other eyeopeners Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 LOL maybe the tornado DID have other things on its mind but is keeping its privacy ;D In a message dated 98-06-13 20:41:27 EDT, jencraig@XXXXXX writes: << > and just as the story started to get good and catch my interest, thinking that > maybe the tornado had other things on its mind.:~) Exactly what does a tornado do with a mule's saddle and harness ? >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 22:51:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19041; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12822; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17417 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-50-79.s79.tnt15.ann.erols.com [207.172.50.79]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00599; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35833AEC.F1E1BD83@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:52:28 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pellaz@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The best bike Harley makes (IMHO) References: <357F7E67.91E2B44D@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought that was about the going price...ate dinner in Taco Hell tonight, and noticed on the official rules for their contest thingy that the ARV of the Fat Boy they're giving away is listed at $15k!! Thought that sounded waaay low.. Andrew Lewis wrote: > > is the FLSTF (Fat Boy) > > I'd buy one, but I dont have 20 grand lying around. Until then, I'll > stay on my Shadow. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 13 23:51:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19269; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13105; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17952 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:51:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGXNa05730 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:50:50 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <18399a05.3583489b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:50:50 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: A reply from the Tenn. Highway Patrol concerning Deal's Gap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 Picked this up off the VFR mailing list....thought it might be of some interest to you boys and girls out there....(Check out the guys' name at the bottom!!!) -Sean Jordan '83 VF750F ".....I recently sent off several email's to the local and state gov't of tenn concerning what was the apparent hassling of motorcyclists at Deal's Gap. Enclosed here is the response that I received from a Tennessee Highway Patrol....." -(Attributed to concerned VFR lister whose name I have promptly forgotten and erased...sorry.) Mr. Picton: Your e-mail regarding Deals Gap in Blount County was forwarded to me for review. Tennessee welcomes visitors to our great state and I hope the incident you mention does not prevent you and your family from a vacation here. The Tennessee Highway Patrol is dedicated to providing the safest possible driving environment to motorists and riders such as yourself while using our highways. Hundreds of motorcyclists pass through the Gap weekly enjoying the scenery and challenging nature of the road without incident . Unfortunately some riders attempt to set time records and drive in a reckless manner while doing so. The Tennessee Highway Patrol will take the appropriate action when violations of this nature are detected. The area in question has been the site of many serious accidents involving motorcycles in the past two years. Responsible riders such as yourself have nothing to fear from the law enforcement community in Tennessee. There is always another side to every story and unfortunately you have only read of one. I wish you could see all the evidence that was available to the court in the mentioned incident and see the video. I do not think that you want to meet those motorcycles while riding with your wife. The writer even mentions that he decided to take the plea because of the evidence. I can only hope that you will continue with your plans to visit Tennessee and judge for yourself. Please let me known of your impressions. Lieutenant Mark V. Fagan/Colonel's Office/Tennessee Highway Patrol/1150 Foster Avenue/Nashville, Tn 37249-1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 14 00:15:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19790; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14112; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18141 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: AMA Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 00:18:02 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Well, finally, something worth arguing. I am a member of ABATE, A >Brotherhood >Against Totalitarian Enactments. A group of motorcyclists dedicated to >impoving motorcycle legislature, and giving the freedom to choose, so that >one >day, you might see The right to not wear a helmet in the constitution. >Thats a >little far fetched, but its a point. And I know alot of people think that its >just a bunch of Harley Guys worried about riding withough a helmet, but its >not like that at all. You might not have a Harley, but you still have a v twin:) Unfortunately, too many ABATE meetings in my area (Charles Co. MD) are held at bars for me to take 'em seriously. I have looked into it. Maybe I'll attend a meeting sometime and see if I'm just getting worried over nothing. FWIW, I think ABATE achieves where AMA fails because ABATE is not national. It's more regional and it seems only when particular expertise is needed do they call on other folks. It seems to the politicians (I'm guessing) a more 'grass roots' affair. BTW, I hope everybody remembers to register to vote. Sure, you occasionally have to dodge jury duty, but you don't have the right to bitch about the gov't unless you vote. And your letters and phone calls (don't bother with email) to your representatives will go a lot farther if you can say (honestly) that you are a voter. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 14 00:15:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19794; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14116; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18145 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:13:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ursulina's sleeping bag... Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 00:18:08 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>>Ursulina, your sleeping bag is at my home. > >> I can't even begin to describe my jealousy. > >Hehehe, I was gonna touch this one, but thought better of it.. Hooo boy >;) > >Careful George! ;) Well, since Tom is going to marry the true love of my life (shh, don't tell Angie;) I figured I'd have to go ahead and move on:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 14 02:44:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20591; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA14687; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA19331 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client196-111-81.bellatlantic.net [151.196.111.81]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id CAA00199; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35837107.189AF4DA@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:43:20 -0400 From: Andrew Lewis Reply-To: pellaz@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The best bike Harley makes (IMHO) References: <357F7E67.91E2B44D@bellatlantic.net> <35833AEC.F1E1BD83@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > I thought that was about the going price...ate dinner in Taco Hell > tonight, and noticed on the official rules for their contest thingy that > the ARV of the Fat Boy they're giving away is listed at $15k!! > Thought that sounded waaay low.. > According to the Harley homepage, 15k is about right. (For list price. Add dealer markup and customizing, and it goes to 20 or more.) The new Honda Shadow Aero lists for just under 10. And from what I've seen it is very nice. I like it even more than the Shadow ACE. (The Spirit is ok too...) While I'd love a Harley, my next bike will probably be a Honda as well.... > Andrew Lewis wrote: > > > > is the FLSTF (Fat Boy) > > > > I'd buy one, but I dont have 20 grand lying around. Until then, I'll > > stay on my Shadow. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 14 08:21:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22011; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16984; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21231 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-50-79.s79.tnt15.ann.erols.com [207.172.50.79]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05986; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3583C081.7F2BE8B0@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:22:25 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A reply from the Tenn. Highway Patrol concerning Deal's Gap References: <18399a05.3583489b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OUCH!!! he he he... We're a pretty prolific family, but as far as I know he's not related :) But if he is, I'll have to go down there and beat some sense into him so he can straighten those Nazi's out ;-) Collin Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > Picked this up off the VFR mailing list....thought it might be of some > interest to you boys and girls out there....(Check out the guys' name at the > bottom!!!) > judge for yourself. Please let me known of your impressions. > > Lieutenant Mark V. Fagan/Colonel's Office/Tennessee Highway Patrol/1150 Foster > Avenue/Nashville, Tn 37249-1000 -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 14 08:58:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22087; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17076; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21380 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.96.176] (pm7-176.his.com [205.177.96.176]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24709; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806141257.IAA24709@mail.his.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:58:40 -0400 Subject: Re: AMA (longish) Article on Web From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yeah, they don't spell out exactly who the other groups are. I can't find the original article (from a past issue) to check if they spell it out in there. For anyone interested, I did post a copy of the most recent AMA article covering this issue on the web at http://www.his.com/~ewinslow/AMAarticle.html Check it out if you're interested. ---------- >From: George Howell >>Now, the hottest topic on the helmet front is motorcyclists in certain >>states doing just about anything to get a bill passed to allow them to >>ride helmetless. > >I've noticed that in American Motorcyclist, they refer to 'other groups' >proposing these laws. Are they ABATE groups, or just random groups of >morons? > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 14 09:18:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22155; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17184; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21522 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p1dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.33]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13887; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:17:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3583CDB3.986BD339@smart.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:18:44 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jencraig CC: Bruce Norton , "\"John C. Kozyn\"" , Sean Sullivan , DC Cycles Subject: Re: wet References: <35828A9A.BC1876D0@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why would you want to ride behind anyone when you're the fastest of the group? Seems like that would be an unbearable lesson in patience. Stay up front where you belong. You know the roads better anyway. Let's hope for good weather this coming Saturday. jencraig wrote: > thanks for the ride > sure hope that you guys made it home dry !!!!! > cause its 3:02 and raining sideways > wind blowing at about 35-45 m.p.h. > next time we do a ride i get to ride behind someone :~) > un fortunalety we did not get to do what i think is the > best road around here > rt 606 & 601 ..... we cut that out at the end of the ride > to slab it back > hope that we can all get together soon and do another ride > > see or talk to you all soon > Craig > Blue TL -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 14 17:02:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24649; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23114; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25884 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id RAA09675; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:01:51 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma009645; Sun, 14 Jun 98 17:01:39 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA21361; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:55:22 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256623.00723E6C ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:47:50 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256622.0000380B.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:04:26 -0400 Subject: RE: Sideswiped (LONG, SOAPBOXY) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Interesting ... I always called that "agressive driving". I save the road rage comment for the ones that are actively pissed off. --chris From: Chris Norloff Date: 06/11/98 06:46:27 PM GMT Subject: RE: Sideswiped (LONG, SOAPBOXY) I use road rage to mean the person in the aggressive or attacking mode, whether or not they are visibly "enraged" or not. Someone tailgating, weaving, cutting people off, nearly sideswiping someone - they're the 'ragers' whether they're clueless or driving with one finger in the air. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 14 17:02:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24652; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23108; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25881 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id RAA03206; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:01:44 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma003184; Sun, 14 Jun 98 17:01:39 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA21368; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:55:22 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256623.00723E46 ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:47:50 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256621.0083316D.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:58:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Fast Rides (was Update on Chuck) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I disagree, chris. I think mixing it up is a great idea PROVIDED that the group rides at the lowest common denominator of experience. In addition to the MSF classes, books, videos and good 'ol trial and error :-) methods of developing riding skills, I think that following more talented riders (at a pace you can handle) is one of the best ways to improve your ability/skills. Trick is, that you have to have experienced riders that won't leave you for dead, or get you in over your head ... --chris From: Chris Norloff Date: 06/11/98 03:14:28 PM GMT Subject: Re: Fast Rides (was Update on Chuck) --snip-- Mixing sport riders and cruisers, or fast-movers and slow-movers, or newbies and seasoned riders, is just not a great idea. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 14 19:26:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25611; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA23876; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27358 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:23:33 -0400 Message-ID: <35845BBE.1C81D715@olg.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:24:46 -0400 From: George Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: This is only a test. please ignore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who didn't ignore, I'm trying out the PC I put together out of spare parts. Mostly spare parts. The BX motherboard and PII 233 are new. Rather than actually buy any software, I'm trying Netscape's mail software. So far, so.... Well, it ain't Claris Emailer. Why the PC after over a decade of Mac use? Simple, lots of games. Gonna be buying Battlezone in the near future. And using the PC for the time being is okay, 'specially considering the price. Will be looking forward to an iMac this August. Then we'll really be cooking, and the PC will start getting set up for home automation. Hopefully, no HTML showed up in this note. If you've read this far, and saw a bunch of HTML, let me know. The mail program isn't good enough to spend a lot of time turning off html. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 14 21:36:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26310; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25043; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28706 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.124]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 299; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:36:00 -0400 Message-ID: <358433AC.4A458C3E@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:33:48 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: wet References: <35828A9A.BC1876D0@tidalwave.net> <3583CDB3.986BD339@smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > Why would you want to ride behind anyone when you're the > fastest of the group? Seems like that would be an > unbearable lesson in patience. Stay up front where you > belong. You know the roads better anyway. > > Let's hope for good weather this coming Saturday. > > jencraig wrote: > > > > next time we do a ride i get to ride behind someone :~) Hey Tom ; oh well it was just a thought!! Sometimes its fun chasing down others.:~) But then again, its often safer in the front of the pack as we both well know..... And I really don't mind leading , but I find myself having to hold back ALOT , mainly because I dont want to lose the pack. When in the leader position I feel a certain degree of Pressure to try and lead the group without going over and above the limitations of the riders within the group. Craig Blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 04:20:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA29457; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01599; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03144 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA14395; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:16:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:12:15 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >> 70-some-odd ft/lbs of torque with only about 465lbs of >> weight,who > > needs to rev? > What, are you driving a tractor trailer here? Torque is nice as long is > there isn't too much of it. Remember for speed you want more horsepower not > torque. Hp will give you top speed.What're you gonna do w/175mph?Either get splattered by traffic or go to jail.Torque gives you roll-on.This helps you pass cars,get up hills,and carry gear/passengers.All things you need in the real world. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 04:29:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA29495; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01650; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03225 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA14426; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:25:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:23:43 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Sportsters and thier shadows To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, George Howell wrote: > Ridiculous, as we all know that telelever front ends are the perfect > suspension mechanism, even better than an Earle's fork setup:) > Seriously, as I understand it, the springer front has less stiction. At > slow speeds (around the A&W parking lot) that might be better. Less stiction,more flex.And about 20 more lbs weight. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 04:40:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA29561; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01792; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03322 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA14499; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:36:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:35:51 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Kawasaki GPz1100? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, George Howell wrote: > Well, it's a Kawasaki, so we know it has more personality than your > average Honda (no flames, got one of each:p) From what I've read,the GPZ is basically a ZX with less bodywork and no ram-air.Not to be picky,but I think it's also supposed to have a capitol Z.The GPz's were the older,air-cooled models. ;-) > Seriously though, I've only read good things about it. I used to have a > copy of some moto-rag from about 1994 that spoke highly of it. The only > caveats are that all of the magazine boys wanted ZX-11's instead. Don't > think they're the same bike. If you get one, I wanna see it sometime. > They always seemed a bit more rational than most bikes. BTW, if you are > considering this, don't rule out the Concours. Moto Online(http://www.motorcycle.com/) had a favorable review on them.Compared it with the Bandit 12 if I remember right.You should check it out,Anita. The official Buellboy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 07:11:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00396; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04134; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04611 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:09:37 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267D9@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:09:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Forget 175 MPH. How do you think our bike accelerate so fast? Most of its HP not torque. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Hp will give you top speed.What're you gonna do w/175mph?Either get > splattered by traffic or go to jail.Torque gives you roll-on.This > helps you pass cars,get up hills,and carry gear/passengers.All things > you need in the real world. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 07:46:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00521; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04324; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04799 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:44:41 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267DA@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" , "Miller, Hamilton, Mr., IMCEN" , "'Rachels, Dave'" Subject: Charging problem! Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:44:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) OK guys I need some help here. My first and only problem I've ever had with my 14 year old bike. After having my batteries die so damn often I decided to look into what my be causing the problem. As I have explained to some of you my batteries usually last about 1 year and then they are fried. And I mean fried, they won't even take a charge from a big charger, nothing, totally stone dead. After my last battery died last weekend I broke out the voltmeter to see what was going on. Of course before I could do any testing I had to have a good working battery so I bought the Wal-Mart special for $26. Hell of deal. About $14 cheaper then anyone else. Anyhow, after prepping the battery all day Saturday I put the new battery in the bike and revved the engine to about 5000 RPM. The volt meter read 15.3 VDC. Obviously too high. I called a good friend of mine who is a cage mechanic and fellow MCist and I told him I suspected the regulator may be bad. He agreed but also suggested I check/clean the grounds before replacing the regulator. So I remove the ground cable coming from the engine and of course its clean but I wire brush it and its connection to the frame and bolt it back down. No change still 15.3 VDC. Last Monday I ordered the new regulator/rectifier from my trusty and inexpensive mail order Honda place. Friday it arrives ($118 later) and I put it on. Well, needless to say the old part must have been good because I'm still getting 15.3 VDC @ 5000 RPM. Any ideas here? Are there other grounds I might need to clean? The regulator seems to get its ground through the wiring harness somewhere as its isolated from the frame. I guess this could be the problem? Thanx Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 08:04:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00665; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04604; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04993 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id FAA20279; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id FAA11755; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id FAA25185; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:03:22 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id FAA25182; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:03:22 -0700 Received: by hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD981B.310DF860@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:05:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Ursulina's sleeping bag... Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:58:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 30 TEXT Geez, I'm flattered! ;-) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 1998 9:18 PM >To: John C. Kozyn; dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Ursulina's sleeping bag... > >>>>Ursulina, your sleeping bag is at my home. >> >>> I can't even begin to describe my jealousy. >> >>Hehehe, I was gonna touch this one, but thought better of it.. Hooo boy >>;) >> >>Careful George! ;) > >Well, since Tom is going to marry the true love of my life (shh, don't >tell Angie;) I figured I'd have to go ahead and move on:) > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 08:37:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00925; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05275; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05444 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806151237.IAA05444@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A52F30A022A; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:36:02 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:31:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Drag racing.....personal experience In-Reply-To: <4009cd4f.3581a40d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:56 PM 6/12/98 -0400, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >Not long ago a riding buddy and I were standing at the stoplight at the >intersection of Frontier Dr and Franconia Rd over by Springfield Mall. Me on >my TL and he one his GSXR 7/11 decided we would do a short sprint but NOT >exceed the speed limit. >... We stop and the >cop tells us that we are drag racing. My response was "We didnt exceed the >limit and didnt endanger anyone since we were at the front of the line". The >cop tells me that technically it IS drag racing no matter the speeds involved >or if any danger is there. See, that's the danger of high-powered sport bikes. If you'd been riding something more tame, no one would have known there was a contest on! :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 08:53:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01030; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05714; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05686 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA26772 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980615085543.0069b9f4@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 15 Jun 1998 12:53:22 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:55:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Bad, bad accident Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From todays Washington Post AP wire: 5 Bikers Die in Calif. Collision Monday, June 15, 1998; 7:10 a.m. EDT WILLITS, Calif. (AP) -- Five motorcyclists heading home from a biker's gathering died Sunday in a pileup that closed a two-lane stretch of a major highway for several hours. The unidentified bikers were heading south on U.S. 101 when a pickup in the northbound lane rear-ended a Jeep Cherokee and sent it into oncoming traffic near Willits, 125 miles north of San Francisco. Four motorcycles crashed into the Jeep. Four male bikers and a female passenger were killed. All were wearing helmets, the California Highway Patrol said. Another biker was treated for moderate injuries and released. The driver of the Jeep, the pickup driver and his passenger were also injured. The motorcyclists were among hundreds who converged near Piercy, in Northern California, for the annual Redwood Run gathering. Earlier Sunday, three people were injured when three other motorcycles crashed on Highway 101 about six miles south of Willits. Copyright 1998 The Associated Press From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 08:54:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01035; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05732; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05702 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:54:33 -0400 (EDT) From: SackcoD@XXXXXX Received: from SackcoD@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WKFWa05730 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11c7f8f3.3585196a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:54:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 194 jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? >> Sign me up for that! --Sackco From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 09:03:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01114; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06004; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05846 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806151303.JAA05846@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB508540276; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:02:08 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:06:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Bad, bad accident In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980615085543.0069b9f4@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:55 AM 6/15/98 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: >The unidentified bikers were heading south on U.S. 101 when a pickup in the >northbound lane rear-ended a Jeep Cherokee and sent it into oncoming >traffic near Willits, 125 miles north of San Francisco. >Four motorcycles crashed into the Jeep. Four male bikers and a female >passenger were killed. I've read that rear-end collisions were the most common car-driver-caused crash. Never thought that could be a hazard IN FRONT of me. damn. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 09:05:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01133; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06052; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10827 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA14755 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:05:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199806151305.AA14755@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:05:17 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Capitol 1000 results Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:05:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Congrats to Louis and Leon for their finishing the Cap 1000 I can understand the Concours - but Leon, that rig of yours absolutely amazes me. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 09:20:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01289; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06407; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06420 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267E1@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FW: Piggies in the rain Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:18:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Got this from a friend of mine. Talk about hard up, I thought cops never did radar in the rain. I don't even know anyone who's gotten a ticket from radar in the rain. I thought they were busy working wrecks when it raining? Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX > Maryland had 3 State Troopers doing radar on the beltway this morning in > the rain. The best part, is they had half a dozen cars pulled over. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 09:21:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01297; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06426; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06443 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p7dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.39]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12608 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3585202A.F716F8E@smart.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:22:51 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Fast Lane shootout Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody feel like sharing some highlights from the horsepower shootout on Sunday? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 09:53:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01472; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06955; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07286 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15309; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:53:11 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D08F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Fast Lane shootout Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:53:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Had I not been swamped trying to fix my messed up flight arrangements to Italy, I wanted to take my racebike there.. :( Oh well, guess I'll have to spring the extrea $10 if I want a dyno run... Collin (who's not supposed to be here right now ;-)) > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 9:33 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Fast Lane shootout > > Anybody feel like sharing some highlights from the > horsepower shootout on Sunday? > > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 09:54:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01567; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06995; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known [206.135.160.194] [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07335 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:53:03 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:52:29 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: SackcoD@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap -Reply << I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? >> Sign me up for that! --Sackco Hey, it worked for Rob Lowe, and it worked for Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson. It could work for you too. Don't knock it till you've tried it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 10:13:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01739; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07208; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07754 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:12:52 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA18453 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:12:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199806151412.AA18453@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:12:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:12:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:12:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:09:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Outrage at Deal's Gap -Reply To: DavidW@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SackcoD@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > << I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? >> > > Sign me up for that! > > --Sackco > > Hey, it worked for Rob Lowe, and it worked for Tommy Lee and Pamela > Anderson. It could work for you too. Don't knock it till you've tried it. > > yeah don't knock it..it's very entertaining...it saves $$ renting and you can trade them with your friends if the tape gets old to watch..and.. ..I mean if I *did* something like that...which I don't...I'm mean I would *think* that's what one would do with them..that's what I've *heard* anyway... ..not that I hang around people that *do* that but I think I *read* about it once..a LONG time ago..yeah that's the ticket... ..never mind..forget I said anything... sheesh... -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 10:25:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01861; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07483; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08037 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ylaBt-00025R-00; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:24:57 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:22:40 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A423@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'George Howell'" , "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Ursulina's sleeping bag... Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:23:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'll never tell! ; ) - Jeannette > Well, since Tom is going to marry the true love of my life (shh, don't > > tell Angie;) I figured I'd have to go ahead and move on:) > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 10:40:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02021; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07818; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08434 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA18185; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:44:43 -0400 Message-ID: <35853219.71BE075E@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:39:21 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 results References: <199806151305.AA14755@portal.visa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The bike had very little to do with it. The reason I finished in 4th place instead of 3rd is because I changed the route that Horkster set up for me. If I would have gone to Peaks of Otter at midnight like he told me to, I would have done better. These rallies are primarily about thinking. Riding is a secondary consideration. The equipment one uses ranks a distant third. The method the rally planners used to keep speeds down also helped me. The limit may have restricted other riders, but it was placed almost exactly where my personal limits were anyway. Leon. Jordan, Michael wrote: > > Congrats to Louis and Leon for their finishing the Cap 1000 > > I can understand the Concours - but Leon, that rig of yours absolutely > amazes me. > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 10:56:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02302; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08075; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08854 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA17344; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:55:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA17843; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:55:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980615145547.NVGN11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:55:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: sbeck@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980615145547.NVGN11142@[166.41.242.141]> >These sow bellied witless vacuous hog humping fart sniffing anus licking >jerk off redneck cops have an agenda. Hey Steve Beck, could you clarify this a little bit? Todd :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 11:15:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02599; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08277; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09535 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA21404; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:14:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA12551; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980615151046.NXYU11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:10:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance Madness X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980615151046.NXYU11142@[166.41.242.141]> >Hmmm.... $1793 or $340.... Goodbye Progressive! :) Just my opinion, but I think Progressive Insurance is/has becoming the scourge of moto-insurance that GEICO has always been. It's no longer about motorcycling, but money, money, money (just like that goddamned Coleman Powersports!) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 11:45:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03093; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08665; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10268 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA29424; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:41:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA12280; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980615154049.ODMH11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:40:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Dale Horstman CC: David Wakefield , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980615154049.ODMH11142@[166.41.242.141]> >David Wakefield wrote: >> >> BUT BECAUSE ANY MANDATORY LEGISLATION >> WHATSOEVER IS THE FIRST LOGICAL STEP TOWARD the ever-more >> limited (read: RESTRICTED) sale and use of your favorite products (bikes, >> guns, whatever). >> >> Give your legislators and inch, and they'll bite your head off. Remember: >> they're elected officials, and they're here to serve YOU! Don't let them >> take your rights away without a fight! >-- > >David, > >I'm all for fighting to protect one's rights, but the AMA >needs to pick the battles a little more carefully. Nowhere >in the Constitution does it say we have a right to ride >without a helmet. Or even a right to loud pipes. When I >see carefully crafted arguments to the contrary, all it >does is piss me off, and (I think) make all of us bikers >look silly and selfish. I think we all understand your position on the Helmet law issue Dale, but your argument is just as bad as Davids. There is nothing in the constitution about the right to ride a motorcycle is there? The Helmet Law issue started as an argument for safety, then became an argument to restrict the burden to society that helmetless riders were (supposedly more than any other risky group) putting on societies health care. It is now about power. Politicians who've been lead to believe the hype safetycrats spew are in a situation that won't allow them to back peddle, especially after allowing the threats of withholding federal taxes from states who did NOT enact a helmet law. The power of legislature to interfere with the decisions adults take everyday has become the norm in our society. The more we as adults can be legislated the easier we are to manage by those in power. And even though I agree that wearing protective gear is sensible while riding a motorcycle, I won't ever try and legislate that people do it. To your last comment about how bikers appear, who cares. I'm beyond giving a rats ass about what some bdc thinks about motorcycles. It's pure prejudice, and I don't have time for it. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 11:49:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03294; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08739; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10595 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id LAA11464; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma011437; Mon, 15 Jun 98 11:49:21 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:51:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Insurance Madness Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:51:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, when I got my first bike, GEICO was the cheapest insurance going.... John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 10:59 AM To: Anita Lauro Cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance Madness >Hmmm.... $1793 or $340.... Goodbye Progressive! :) Just my opinion, but I think Progressive Insurance is/has becoming the scourge of moto-insurance that GEICO has always been. It's no longer about motorcycling, but money, money, money (just like that goddamned Coleman Powersports!) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 12:00:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03863; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08947; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11422 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA24563 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA31864 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980615160003.MARH7401@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:00:03 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: FW: Fast Lane shootout Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bd9876$a70f42c0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I was there and had my bike dyno'ed, but not to compete. $15 for a dyno run AND a t-shirt was a deal. My bike came up at 80 hp. A brand new (and for sale), but presumable broken in, R1 tested at 134 hp. A very loud Harley scored 78. The Harley guy was very disappointed as the bike had test 10 hp higher the week before (on the same dyno, I think). Another F3 tested at 80 hp (I think). I don't know who actually won, but the guys there at Fast Lanes pointed to something that looked like a race bike, but barely street legal and said that one would win with 170 hp or so. Most folks, to whom I spoke, were disappointed in the numbers and thought they were about 10 hp low. I don't know, I've never done it before. I do know the magazines (!) test new F3s at the low 90s, so 80 for a bike with a K&N and D&D seems low, but it's enough for me. There was a guy there with a vintage motorcycle t-shirt who had a 67 Honda 180cc (I think). He figured he'd take the lowest hp score. The smells and sounds were really amazing. Some bikes revved so smoothly on the way up and down. It was schweet. I was standing outside while they did my bike and listening to someone else take it to redline was painful. Listening to someone else's bike just sounded damn good. I didn't stick around, the weather started to look really bad. A good time was had by all. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze Thomas H. Gimer asked: Anybody feel like sharing some highlights from the horsepower shootout on Sunday? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 12:05:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03946; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09019; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11604 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA6298 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:58:18 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:03:17 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:05:39 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance Madness -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Does anybody know if GEICO is still buying radar guns for police departments? If so, I don't care if they're $500 a year cheaper, I won't send them a dime. Joe '86 Ninja 900 >>> "Whiteside, John" - 6/15/98 11:51 AM >>> Actually, when I got my first bike, GEICO was the cheapest insurance going.... John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 10:59 AM To: Anita Lauro Cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance Madness >Hmmm.... $1793 or $340.... Goodbye Progressive! :) Just my opinion, but I think Progressive Insurance is/has becoming the scourge of moto-insurance that GEICO has always been. It's no longer about motorcycling, but money, money, money (just like that goddamned Coleman Powersports!) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 12:24:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04329; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09373; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12103 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267E8@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Insurance Madness Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:22:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) When I first got my bike GEICO wouldn't give me insurance at all because I hadn't had previous bike insurance. It didn't seem to matter that I had my car insured with them for over two years. I told them where to put it and found bike and car insurance from someone else. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Actually, when I got my first bike, GEICO was the cheapest insurance > going.... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 12:27:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04743; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09396; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12231 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:25:45 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267E9@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance Madness -Reply Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:25:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Last I heard they were buying the Laser guns that MD uses. In the past they have bought Radar guns. Agreed in your statement I will never use them again. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Does anybody know if GEICO is still buying radar guns for police > departments? If so, I don't care if they're $500 a year cheaper, I > won't send them a dime. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 12:47:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05956; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09636; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12732 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BVZZa12330; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:46:34 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Charging problem! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm an Airframe and Poweplant mechanic in training, but alot of the principles apply concerning batteries and charging systems. First off, measure the voltage of the battery itself (take it off the bike). It should be around 13 volts. The voltage regulator has to putout (actually from the alternator/generator) more voltage (usually between 14-16 volts) back to the battery than the battery puts out inorder to charge the battery. How long has the problem of dead batteries been occuring (since new, or last couple years)? Have you been taking the battery out and putting it on a charger during the winter? I'll do a little research and see if I can help you pinpoint your problem. Robert VanSlyke 85 Honda CB450SC (still for sale, only asking $1100/OBO!!) 83 Honda VT750C (picking her up tomorrow!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 12:55:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06038; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09839; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13002 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:55:33 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 9JYEa04521; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <606f284f.358551e4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:54:57 EDT To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Insurance Madness Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Geico is where I go for insurance, and for now they are the cheapest for my insurance needs. But everyones needs vary, so it may be like comparing apples and oranges. All I can suggest is gather info and ask for line by line comparisons. Robert VanSlyke 85 Honda CB450SC (for sale, only asking $1100/OBO!) 83 Honda VT750C (coming home tomorrow!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 13:25:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06492; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10589; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14083 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:23:45 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267ED@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'NJitzul@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Charging problem! Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:21:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I'm an Airframe and Poweplant mechanic in training, but alot of the principles apply concerning batteries and charging systems. First off, measure the voltage of the battery itself (take it off the bike). It should be around 13 volts It is. Last time I measured it.. it was 12.8 or 12.9. . The voltage regulator has to putout (actually from the alternator/generator) more voltage (usually between 14-16 volts) back to the battery than the battery puts out inorder to charge the battery. I understand the concept of charging. How long has the problem of dead batteries been occuring (since new, or last couple years)? If I had to guess I'd say about 6 years. I thought it was just normal bike batteries knowing that they die sooner then cage batteries but then realized it was a bit excessive. Have you been taking the battery out and putting it on a charger during the winter? No I haven't been taking the battery out but even since the last battery (which was replaced a little over a year ago) I have been using a battery tender and checking the water levels religiously. Another thing I'd like to ask of the rest of you people is do you ever have add water to your battery. I was adding several ounces to my battery after about each 600 miles on the old battery. I thought that was a bit much. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 14:59:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08088; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12550; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17618 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:58:58 -0400 (EDT) From: jaynik@XXXXXX Received: from MHS by dclink.com with MHS id AODHDGEG ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:56:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:55:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Mirror for FZR 600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Is anyone dying to get rid of a left side mirror for a 93 FZR 600? I want one. Preferably in black. One more curiosity. What clutch combinations are any of you using besides stock and how are they working? My clutch is getting pretty nasty and I think it may be time for a new one. Looking for input! Later Jay http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/2199 to: INT:exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX cc: INT:dc-cycles@XXXXXX INT:balt-cycles@XXXXXX /**********************************************************/ /* Jaynik */ /* jaynik@XXXXXX */ /* */ /* Sent from Capital City Cyberlink */ /**********************************************************/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 15:17:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08269; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13254; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18278 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806151917.PAA18278@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A2DE60A028A; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:15:42 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:16:33 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Charging problem! In-Reply-To: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267ED@DADC015> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Another thing I'd like to ask of the rest of you people is do you ever have >add water to your battery. I was adding several ounces to my battery after >about each 600 miles on the old battery. I thought that was a bit much. No, 600 miles is way too soon to have to add water. However, it depends a lot on ambient temperature and charging rate - I boiled a battery dry one summer by riding 4,000 miles in two weeks. I'd say you're overcharging, but why the new voltage regulator didn't fix it is puzzling. Do you ride with the headlight on? The charging system is probably designed with that in mind. Check all your electrical connections in the charging circuit, especially ground connections. Disconnect, clean, and put back together. good luck, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 15:45:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08670; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14250; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19340 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:43:52 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267F7@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Charging problem! Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:43:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Yeah I thought for sure the regulator would fix the problem. I mean what's left? The regulator has the rectifier built in and there's not much to this charging system from what I can tell from the books. Yes, I run with the headlight on. The only thing not stock about the electrical system is a wire and switch I added to override the thermostatically controlled fan switch for hot days. The only thing I haven't done is clean the regulator's ground. I'll try and track that down through the wiring harness and clean that and see if it makes any difference. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > No, 600 miles is way too soon to have to add water. However, it depends a > lot on ambient temperature and charging rate - I boiled a battery dry one > summer by riding 4,000 miles in two weeks. I'd say you're overcharging, > but why the new voltage regulator didn't fix it is puzzling. > > Do you ride with the headlight on? The charging system is probably > designed with that in mind. > > Check all your electrical connections in the charging circuit, especially > ground connections. Disconnect, clean, and put back together. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 15:52:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08740; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14351; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19551 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 128; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:52:39 -0400 Message-ID: <35857B83.89B1054A@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:52:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: "Jordan, Michael" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 results References: <199806151305.AA14755@portal.visa.com> <35853219.71BE075E@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Jordan commented: > > Congrats to Louis and Leon for their finishing the Cap 1000 > > > > I can understand the Concours - but Leon, that rig of yours > > absolutely amazes me. And Leon answered: > > The bike had very little to do with it. The reason I finished in 4th > place instead of 3rd is because I changed the route that Horkster set > up for me. If I would have gone to Peaks of Otter at midnight like > he told me to, I would have done better. And to which I'll add: Well, its one thing for me to sit in the warm and dry hotel and play, "yeah, let's send him here..." than to decide to actually go there 17 hours into a long cold ride. :-) It would be neat to analyze the winning route along with yours sometime, and see where we lost points. But then again I don't want to take away the glow from one hell of a run, by one hell of a rider. :-) I'm still tickled that you pulled off 4th place, Leon! Personally, I don't think I'd ever enjoy running in a rally like this. It's not the high mileage or duration that really scares me away, it's all the thinking in the saddle you'd have to do, balancing bonus locations vs. remaining on time/schedule, worrying about checkpoints, searching for obscure bonuses, all the while not getting lost and wasting time scratching one's head while peering over a map. Seems way to hectic to me to be any fun, but that's just me. Like I told Leon, "I can either think, or I can ride. I don't like to do both at the same time." :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 15:56:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08786; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14408; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19605 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA25673; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:19:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:19:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: This Coming Friday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is a reasonably good chance that I'll be getting this Friday off. Anyone interested in riding for the day if the weather holds? My only constraint would be that I have to be back around 5:00'ish. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 16:02:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08872; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14528; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19746 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:01:24 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267F8@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Morris Berman'" , "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: RE: This Coming Friday Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:01:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I'm off too. What did you have in mind? Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > There is a reasonably good chance that I'll be getting this Friday off. > Anyone interested in riding for the day if the weather holds? My only > constraint would be that I have to be back around 5:00'ish. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 16:03:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08888; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14556; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19775 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA26818; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:27:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: New Cop Attitude in VA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Apparently we now have polite cops to look forward to when getting pulled= =20 over in VA! I saw the following article in the Post today. -Mb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX=20 '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #44= 6884 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accept= ed <=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging tryin= g to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams ---------- Forwarded message ---------- For Police, the Ticket to Better Relations Class Helps Officers Avoid Confrontations =20 By Patricia Davis Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, June 14, 1998; Page B01 =20 Instructor George Thompson is playing the part of a motorist who has just been caught speeding on radar. He asks one of the Fairfax County police officers packed into his classroom to pretend to pull him over. =20 "Sir, can I see your driver's license and registration, please?" the officer says. =20 "No good!" Thompson barks. =20 The officer tries again. "Hello, sir," he says. He introduces himself by name and police department and explains why he has stopped the motorist. He inquires politely as to whether the driver had a good reason for traveling so fast. Then he asks for some identification. =20 Ah, that's the ticket. =20 Police are copping a new attitude. Or at least, many are working at it. Facing people with shorter fuses, on and off the road, many law enforcement officers are being required to learn Thompson's gentle technique for avoiding confrontation. =20 He calls his approach "verbal judo" because it teaches officers how to deflect someone's verbal assault, in much the same way that a judo master redirects his opponent's energy. =20 "What is natural is telling people off," said Thompson, 56, founder of the Verbal Judo Institute Inc. in Tijeras, N.M. "What we're trying to teach is that if somebody pushes, don't push back -- redirect them. It's a kinder, softer approach." =20 The English-literature-professor-turned-cop has taught verbal judo to officers in more than 700 police departments, including several in the Washington area. =20 Fairfax County's police chief and sheriff have ordered all their officers into Thompson's two-day class; so far about 80 percent of police officers have taken it. The lessons have been incorporated into the training given to D.C. police recruits and all sheriff's deputies in Charles, Calvert and St. Mary's counties. =20 Departments that have required the course see it as a way to improve the public's attitude toward law enforcement and cut down on complaints of police rudeness and unnecessary force. And although there is often plenty of snickering and eye rolling in the student ranks at the start of the classes, police academy instructors say that most officers come around and find the tactics useful in the field. =20 "I see it as a new trend in law enforcement, a more effective way of dealing with people," said Capt. Fred Pfeiff, commander of major crimes for the Fauquier County sheriff's department, who took Thompson's class last month. "I always felt if you talked calmly to people, you'd have better results." =20 Most recently, Thompson taught the technique to a class of about 80 sworn officers at the Fairfax County Criminal Justice Academy. =20 "Remember, nobody likes a cop!" Thompson, sporting a buzz cut and a tie covered with pigs, told the crowd of officers sitting before him. "Don't take it personally." =20 There are three kinds of people in the world, according to Thompson: nice people, difficult people and wimps. The wimps are really difficult people who act like nice people to your face and then sue you, he says. =20 Thompson devotes most of his course to dealing with the difficult people, urging officers to let insults roll off their backs. "If your antagonist can upset you, he owns you at some level," he says. =20 The ultimate weapon against verbal abuse is empathy, he tells the class. Realizing that officers don't always feel that way about the people they are arresting, he provides them with lots of phrases that will make them sound as if they care. =20 One of the best ways to cut into a tirade and take control, Thompson advises officers, is to say, "Let me be sure I heard what you just said," and then paraphrase someone's angry words. Other useful phrases: "I understand that, sir, but . . . " and "I appreciate that, but . . . " =20 He also has a list of phrases that officers should stop using, such as "Come here," "Calm down," and "What's your problem?" -- expressions that can make people feel threatened or deficient, causing an argument to develop or escalate. =20 He provides checklists for handling various situations. During a traffic stop, an officer who starts by asking for a driver's license is just fueling road rage, Thompson says. The motorist immediately feels irritated that he isn't being told why he was pulled over. =20 Thompson doesn't rule out using force when words fail. Before officers take action, though, he suggests one last verbal try: "Sir, is there anything I can say to earn your cooperation at this time? I'd like to think so." =20 Thompson, a graduate of Princeton University who taught English literature at a college in Kansas, developed verbal judo after leaving the academic world and becoming a deputy sheriff in Sandoval County, N.M. He was in awe of fellow officers who were adept at talking themselves out of danger, so he studied them closely and saw a pattern that could be boiled down into a course. =20 Thompson began teaching the classes in 1983, but he says the demand for them really took off in 1991, after Rodney King was kicked and clubbed on videotape by Los Angeles police officers. (At the time, Thompson was a week away from teaching some of the officers involved in the King beating, and he is convinced that he could have prevented it from happening.) =20 Fairfax Sheriff Carl R. Peed said he decided to require the course because of an increase in complaints accusing his deputies of using unnecessary force. The complaints involved "our lack of communication, violation of someone's space, male ego, you name it," Peed said. Since many of his deputies have taken the verbal judo class, the complaints have dropped from about 130 a year to about 30, he said. =20 Some police academies, including the Northern Virginia Criminal Justice Academy in Loudoun County, are teaching some of the same principles as Thompson but calling it "conflict management" or "de-escalation of force," said Robert DelCore, manager for training and education with the International Association of Chiefs of Police. But Thompson's course is the most in demand, DelCore said. =20 Thompson is getting through to most officers, even those who are dreading yet another "bleeding heart" program, said Lt. David Wright, director of the Southern Maryland Criminal Justice Academy. =20 "He is very dynamic," Wright said. "I wish 25 years ago, somebody had shown me something like this. Who knows? I might have been a captain or major by now." =20 Key Phrases for Police Officers =20 Many Washington -- area law enforcement officers are being trained in the art of "verbal judo" -- a way of speaking designed to help reduce the chances of violent confrontation between police and the public. =20 Useful phrases =20 What's the matter? =20 Thank you for your cooperation. =20 For your safety and mine . . . =20 Sir, could you help me please? =20 Be careful -- your safety is important to us. =20 Sir, let me help you. =20 I'm sorry to hear that, sir. =20 How can I help you if you keep yelling at me? =20 Work with me, sir . . . =20 Is there anything I can say to get you to comply with my lawful, legal order? =20 What not to say =20 Come here! =20 Because those are the rules. =20 Calm down! =20 What's your problem? =20 I'm not going to say this again. =20 I'm doing this for your own good. =20 Why don't you be reasonable? =20 SOURCES: The Verbal Judo Institute Inc.; "Verbal Judo, the Gentle Art of Persuasion" by George J. Thompson =20 =A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company =20 Navigation Bar Navigation Bar =20 Yellow Pages =20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 16:23:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09128; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14966; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20509 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:23:05 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WYKUa04556 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <273115a8.35858283@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:22:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: This Coming Friday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Im in too! Are you volunteering to lead Glenn? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 16:23:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09139; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14980; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20517 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:23:31 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WAQQa20982 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <552b0a9c.3585824b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:21:29 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 HAHAHA.......Id die laughing if a cop pulled me over and said "Is there anything I can say to get you to comply with my lawful, legal order?" or maybe "Sir, could you help me please?". Yeah sure, Ill help ya......should I confess? This will probably work for about 2 weeks. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:00:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09543; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15494; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28455 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 306 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: <35858B48.E80E8527@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:59:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Hail warning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its' 5:00, and there's quite the hail-storm brewing here at work (Chantilly, VA). Just warning anyone screwy enough (like me) to ride to work today. Be careful! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:05:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09637; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15774; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22015 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:03:47 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267FC@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: This Coming Friday Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:03:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) How do I always get elected for this stuff? I might be able to put something together if Morris doesn't come up with anything. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Im in too! Are you volunteering to lead Glenn? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:11:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09741; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16032; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22194 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:11:20 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWXDa12330 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <97de585b.35858dd9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:10:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: This Coming Friday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Depending on what kind of ride yall want to do I could lead too. Never done it before and would like to. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:14:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09795; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16098; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22302 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFWEa22587; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <552a92ee.35858e91@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:13:52 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Actually, I'm pretty sure it'll be rather effective .... I've used some of those phrases on raging angry people before and it DOES redirect their line of thought, interrupt their anger, and get them to calm down a little bit ...... of course "Is there anything I can say to get you to comply with my lawful, legal order?" would have me doubled over and laughing too.... ;D Marcy In a message dated 6/15/98 4:31:47 PM, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:16:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09812; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16133; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22340 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8JSFa05135; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20a9627a.35858eb4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:14:27 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hail warning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Yikes!!!! I'm outta here right now! :D Marcy In a message dated 6/15/98 5:06:14 PM, Horkster@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:20:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09859; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16229; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22461 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:18:06 -0400 Message-ID: <35858FDA.AFF6B48B@olg.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:19:22 -0400 From: George Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Madness -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JOE NAGY wrote: > Does anybody know if GEICO is still buying radar guns for police > departments? If so, I don't care if they're $500 a year cheaper, I > won't send them a dime. > Joe > '86 Ninja 900 Last I heard (about 18 months ago) they were still doing this. And worse. They are buying laser guns (LIDAR) for most jurisdictions. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:28:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09983; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16345; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22602 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.42] (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:26:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The best bike Harley makes (IMHO) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 17:31:11 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I thought that was about the going price...ate dinner in Taco Hell >tonight, and noticed on the official rules for their contest thingy that >the ARV of the Fat Boy they're giving away is listed at $15k!! >Thought that sounded waaay low.. Don't forget, the S in MSRP is 'suggested'. Although, considering that court case that HD has before the Supremes (has that been decided yet?) it may go from 'suggested' to 'mandatory'. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:28:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09984; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16344; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22600 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.42] (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:26:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: A reply from the Tenn. Highway Patrol concerning Deal's Gap Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 17:31:08 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >There is always another side to every story and unfortunately you have only >read of one. I wish you could see all the evidence that was available to the >court in the mentioned incident and see the video. I do not think that you >want to meet those motorcycles while riding with your wife. The writer even >mentions that he decided to take the plea because of the evidence. So, Lt., what's the evidence that we haven't heard about? Thanks for passing this on. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:28:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09990; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16355; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22617 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.42] (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:26:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 17:31:14 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >That's not what I'm looking for. Yearly memberships suck cause you have to >keep renewing them. And at $29 a year I would have paid the $500 in 17 >years and have nothing. I'm only 27 so I think I'll be riding for more then >another 17 years. No, you'd have a lifetime membership. Now, if you bail in 16 years, then you'd have nothing:) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:39:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10115; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16507; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22929 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:38:47 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7YIKa22301; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <648728fe.35859442@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:38:09 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jwhiteside@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Insurance Madness -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 LIDAR??? What is that? In a message dated 6/15/98 5:25:59 PM, ghowell@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:39:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10122; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16514; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scdh-99.umd.edu (known scdh-99.umd.edu [128.8.198.99]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22937 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ehb@localhost) by scdh-99.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15465; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:38:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Erika Bennett To: ehb@XXXXXX cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance Madness In-Reply-To: <19980615151046.NXYU11142@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > >Hmmm.... $1793 or $340.... Goodbye Progressive! :) > > Just my opinion, but I think Progressive Insurance is/has becoming > the scourge of moto-insurance that GEICO has always been. It's > no longer about motorcycling, but money, money, money (just like > that goddamned Coleman Powersports!) Don't forget, there are about 6 different Progressive Insurance companies out there. (Found that out when I went to register my newest bike at the MVA and they asked "Which Progressive?" and I said "Duh?" and they showed me a list which included Progressive Northern, Progressive American, etc ... and apparently all have different policies.) Erika '88 HawkGT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 17:44:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10155; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16634; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23095 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8VIJa04312; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <24762afe.35859421@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:37:36 EDT To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Hail warning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 scratch that! I was 10 minutes too late - pouring & HUGE lightning bolts in DC now - hmmmm lightning, thunder, downpour, bluejeans, no gloves, rush hour. I think I'll wait til it passes....... In a message dated 6/15/98 5:21:38 PM, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 18:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10305; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16927; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23547 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:05:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BRFTa04520; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5389a645.35859a7b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:04:41 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-15 07:15:34 EDT, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Forget 175 MPH. How do you think our bike accelerate so fast? Most of its HP not torque. >> Actually, HP is calculated by using the torque figure of a dynamometer, a dynamometer measures torque at a given rpm. HP=(torque x rpm) divided by 5252. I think the key is at what rpm is maximum torque achieved not its absolute value, in any case give me HP, my Kubota diesel tractor puts out all the torque I need. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 18:09:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10327; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16948; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23605 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:09:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BMIQa04311; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37600f46.35859b5f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:08:30 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX, MilleH@XXXXXX, dave.rachels@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Charging problem! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-15 07:49:23 EDT, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << The volt meter read 15.3 VDC. Obviously too high. I called a good friend of mine who is a cage mechanic and fellow MCist and I told him I suspected the regulator may be bad.>> Actually for an 86 VFR-750 it is within spec if at 5000 rpm (with a good battery) you get a 13.7 to 15.3 reading on the charging circuit. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 19:31:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11431; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18402; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25201 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-149.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.149]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04243; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980615193105.0069c93c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:31:05 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Re: Hail warning In-Reply-To: <24762afe.35859421@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" [This is Jeannette using Tom's computer] I didn't get hail on my way home from DC at 5:00pm, but I did get rained on - HARD. If the roads were clear on my way home I would've fared just fine, but the BDCs made the trip long, slow & hazardous! Get off the road!! One good note: my new Eclipse tank bag didn't soak through & I didn't even have the rain protective wrap on it. - Jeannette At 05:37 PM 6/15/98 EDT, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >scratch that! I was 10 minutes too late - pouring & HUGE lightning bolts in DC >now - hmmmm lightning, thunder, downpour, bluejeans, no gloves, rush hour. I >think I'll wait til it passes....... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 19:34:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11480; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18422; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25249 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:33:15 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404326801@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" , gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:33:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) However its calculated I really don't care. My point is I'd rather have a bike with 200 HP and lets say 100 ft lbs. of torque then to have a bike with 200 ft lbs. of torque and 100 HP. Ultimately HP equals speed whether its 50 MPH or 150 MPH. Torque is great for pulling loads. Diesel train engines come to mind. Tons of torque but relatively not much HP. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Actually, HP is calculated by using the torque figure of a dynamometer, a > dynamometer measures torque at a given rpm. > > HP=(torque x rpm) divided by 5252. I think the key is at what rpm is > maximum > torque achieved not its absolute value, in any case give me HP, my Kubota > diesel tractor puts out all the torque I need. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 19:49:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11588; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18536; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25480 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.145]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 62; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:49:40 -0400 Message-ID: <35856C3E.2C3ECBD4@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:47:26 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DAN KENNEY , dc-cycles Subject: Re: DC TL References: <19980615225749.27536.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5A81349802047FF1F327B32E" --------------5A81349802047FF1F327B32E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >DAN KENNEY wrote: > > > >> Hey , I live in southern MD going to Summit point on Sat want to ride > >> along. > >> > >> Dan Kenney > >> Red 1997 TL1000s > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> > > Craig Wrote Back: > >Thanks but I have to decline the offer , I dont do summit point ..I > would > >rather drop the cash in the gas tank , not on watching someone else > >ride.Though if in the future you would like to do some riding I would > >most enjoy the company > >Craig > >Blue TL > > >Dan Wrote: > >Yeah I know it sucks watching other people race, but its a good ride > out and back. Its not much of a ride from Leesburg though. Also its > vintage bikes this weekend I like looking at the old bikes. Besides too > much hardware in my leg from racing before. Let me know when you want to > ride. I would like to see a blue TL. > > Dan Kenney > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Dan , I sure will keep you in mind for future rides as I would like to see a group of TL riders get together and Tour de Land .... Craig Blue TL --------------5A81349802047FF1F327B32E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
 

>DAN KENNEY wrote:
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>> Hey , I live in southern MD going to Summit point on Sat want to ride
>> along.
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>> Dan Kenney
>> Red 1997 TL1000s
>>
>> ______________________________________________________
>>
> Craig Wrote Back:
>Thanks but I have to decline the offer , I dont do summit point ..I
would
>rather drop the cash in the gas tank , not on watching someone else
>ride.Though if in the future you would like to do some riding I would
>most enjoy the company
>Craig
>Blue TL
 

 
>Dan Wrote:
>Yeah I know it sucks watching other people race, but its a good ride
out and back. Its not much of a ride from Leesburg though. Also its
vintage bikes this weekend  I like looking at the old bikes. Besides too
much hardware in my leg from racing before. Let me know when you want to
ride. I would like to see a blue TL.

Dan Kenney
>
>
>

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Dan , I sure will keep you in mind for future rides as I would like to see a group of TL riders get together and Tour de Land ....
Craig
Blue TL --------------5A81349802047FF1F327B32E-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 20:19:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11827; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18730; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25914 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:19:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BPRTa22588; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:18:19 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:18:19 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-15 19:33:55 EDT, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Torque is great for pulling loads. Diesel train engines come to mind. Tons of torque but relatively not much HP. >> Did you happen to read the last line of my post? By the way calculate the HP of a diesel train and you'll find it makes quite a bit HP, relative or otherwise. Owning a 98-ZX-9R I get quite a bit of both torque and HP which pushes very little weight. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 20:31:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11900; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18841; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26062 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:31:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8FRUa22301; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:25:04 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <254b6029.3585bb61@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:25:04 EDT To: jencraig@XXXXXX, dankenney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC TL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-15 19:54:22 EDT, jencraig@XXXXXX writes: << DAN KENNEY wrote: > > > >> Hey , I live in southern MD going to Summit point on Sat want to ride > >> along. > >> > >> Dan Kenney > >> Red 1997 TL1000s > >> >> I live in Southern Md. and plan to go to Summit Point on Saturday too. I live in Croom. Could meet up anywhere along 301, 4 or at the Beltway. Norton buddies are racing if they get the motor back together. Ciao, Fred Oh, I'll ride either a 98-ZX-9R, an 86-VFR-750 or Commando depending on how I feel. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 20:35:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11908; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18863; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26101 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.149] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00264 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01bd98be$6960c640$4873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Fast Lane shootout Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:33:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Anybody feel like sharing some highlights from the >horsepower shootout on Sunday? > I had a great time. The day started out really nice. We got there about 11:15 and I put my bike right in line. My '98 VFR800 with a Staintune slip-on made 100.2 HP. I was very pleased. MCN reported 98.8 HP on a stock unit. Not a big gain from the Staintune, but I thought 100 HP was a good number. The winner was the same guy as last year (Doug Waymer?) on a Suzuki GSX-R1100 with 151 HP. The weather was nice & the hot dogs were free! Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 20:52:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12004; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18974; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26396 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-121-252.s252.tnt15.brd.erols.com [207.172.121.252]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27995; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806160049.UAA27995@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: Fast Lane shootout Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:46:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My 96 F3 with all my mods came in at 90 HP a few months ago. Since then I have increased the main jet sizes. I intend to dyno it again in the near future, including trying changes to my adjustable ignition advancer. My goal is 93 HP. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Linda Tanner > To: Dc-Cycles > Subject: FW: Fast Lane shootout > Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 12:00 PM > > > I was there and had my bike dyno'ed, but not to compete. $15 for a dyno run > AND a t-shirt was a deal. My bike came up at 80 hp. A brand new (and for > sale), but presumable broken in, R1 tested at 134 hp. A very loud Harley > scored 78. The Harley guy was very disappointed as the bike had test 10 hp > higher the week before (on the same dyno, I think). Another F3 tested at 80 > hp (I think). I don't know who actually won, but the guys there at Fast > Lanes pointed to something that looked like a race bike, but barely street > legal and said that one would win with 170 hp or so. Most folks, to whom I > spoke, were disappointed in the numbers and thought they were about 10 hp > low. > > I don't know, I've never done it before. I do know the magazines (!) test > new F3s at the low 90s, so 80 for a bike with a K&N and D&D seems low, but > it's enough for me. > > There was a guy there with a vintage motorcycle t-shirt who had a 67 Honda > 180cc (I think). He figured he'd take the lowest hp score. > > The smells and sounds were really amazing. Some bikes revved so smoothly on > the way up and down. It was schweet. I was standing outside while they did > my bike and listening to someone else take it to redline was painful. > Listening to someone else's bike just sounded damn good. > > I didn't stick around, the weather started to look really bad. > > A good time was had by all. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze > > Thomas H. Gimer asked: > > > Anybody feel like sharing some highlights from the > horsepower shootout on Sunday? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 21:49:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12352; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19206; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.hazmat.com (known [207.226.52.193] [207.226.52.193]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27113 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by gateway.hazmat.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA11162 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:48:49 -0400 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199806160148.VAA11162@gateway.hazmat.com> Subject: RE: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN writes: > > However its calculated I really don't care. My point is I'd rather have a > bike with 200 HP and lets say 100 ft lbs. of torque then to have a bike with > 200 ft lbs. of torque and 100 HP. Ultimately HP equals speed whether its 50 > MPH or 150 MPH. Torque is great for pulling loads. Diesel train engines > come to mind. Tons of torque but relatively not much HP. According to the equation given, your 200HP 100ft-lb bike (assuming they are at the same RPM) would be turning 10,500 RPM- pretty darned fast- and probably fast enough to shorten the lifespan of your engine by quite a bit. To expand on your quote: "HP equals speed, torque equals acceleration." I've reached peak acceleration on my motorcycles many times. I've never reached peak speed (I've tried once or twice). In normal, every day riding-- traffic, stoplights, etc. torque is what really matters. I've had 4 cylinder bikes, and while they can be a blast, I much prefer the twins I have for all around rideability. Yes, a four cylinder of equal displacement more than likely will be faster than a twin. You just gotta choose the bike that is right for you. Matt Bennett mjb@XXXXXX http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ (4 twins, one single) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 22:28:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12580; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19552; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27725 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.103]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 338; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:27:50 -0400 Message-ID: <35857D3C.F7AF982A@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:59:56 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles , TL LIST Subject: Extra Warranty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A while ago I posted a message stating that my TL has had a recurring leak out of the weep hole near the water pump . As it is going into the shop for the 5th time, to hopefully resolve this problem , I have repeatedly spoken with American Suzuki and they have re assured me that they now have a "fix" for this problem , and that it "should" not leak again. Installing a shaft seal and cover (new cover has no weep hole) from the 98 model. So I bitched about how much time it has been in the shop, and the rep. said he would give me credit "Extend my Factory Warranty ", for the time it spent in the shop . Well today my new service card arrived and it was Extended 5 months !!!..HUH Hopefully , when they fix it this time it will be for real ......Wish me luck :~| Craig Blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 22:50:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12720; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19710; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27968 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.149] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00842; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:50:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01ac01bd98d1$49239f20$4873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "jencraig" Subject: Re: Extra Warranty Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:48:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Well today my new service card arrived and it was Extended 5 months >!!!..HUH Hey, I'm impressed! >Hopefully , when they fix it this time it will be for real AMEN! Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 15 23:09:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12851; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19853; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28229 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WCOKa06638 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:07:01 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <97dfe88b.3585e157@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:07:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fast Lane shootout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 When (and what?) was this event? and does it explain why I saw and heard what seemed like a million sportbikes/dual sports Sunday morning - all zooming and popping wheelies past my house and rousing me from a deep slumber? :D (I live on Capitol Hill in SE) Marcy In a message dated 98-06-15 20:39:47 EDT, bnorton@XXXXXX writes: << I had a great time. The day started out really nice. We got there about 11:15 and I put my bike right in line. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 04:21:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA15175; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA23216; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA02108 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA21084; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:17:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:11:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Re: Insurance Madness -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <648728fe.35859442@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > LIDAR??? What is that? Well,RADAR stands for RAdio Detection And Ranging,so LIDAR is prolly the same acronym with laser subbed for radio. Ie,a laser-based device used for measuring speed and distance. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 04:52:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA15317; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA23732; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA02428 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA21196; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:48:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:43:22 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806121415.KAA02968@shell.clark.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > I just don't like the way this country's policing tactics are heading - > > BIG BROTHER. > > I mean, what next? Video cameras in our bedrooms? > Well, think of some of the things that are actually illegal in the bedroom > (or out), especially in Virginia and other Southern states. Gawd, I hope > they never decide to crack down on some of those! They'd have to arrest > anyone who actually wants to have some fun with their spouse/significant > other. Same thing with the military.I believe it's article 103 of the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice).It's not actually enforced,it's just something extra to tack on to other charges(rape,fraternisation, etc). Reminds me of a piece from Robin Williams: "Isn't it strange to think that if you're caught commiting sodomy in GA,they'll arrest you and put you in jail with a man who's going to sodomise you?" The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 04:55:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA15324; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA23752; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA02460 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA21211; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:51:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:49:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Outrage at Deal's Gap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, George Howell wrote: > >You can do it year by year for $29/year. > After about 20 years, they give you the lifetime membership. Maybe it's > 25 years. 20.I get my lifetime next year. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 08:04:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16540; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26461; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04043 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEF239A028C; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:02:58 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:03:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA In-Reply-To: <552a92ee.35858e91@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:13 PM 6/15/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >of course "Is there anything I can say to get you to comply with my lawful, >legal order?" would have me doubled over and laughing too.... ;D It didn't seem that funny to me ... I took it as a "shall we dance or do I start using the pepper spray" warning. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 08:04:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16541; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26459; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04040 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEF139A028C; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:02:57 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 07:57:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Re: Hail warning In-Reply-To: <24762afe.35859421@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:37 PM 6/15/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >scratch that! I was 10 minutes too late - pouring & HUGE lightning bolts in DC >now - hmmmm lightning, thunder, downpour, bluejeans, no gloves, rush hour. I >think I'll wait til it passes....... I rode home in that rain; no hail though. Got kind of dark, but no rain until I got to the bike. The rain was steadily increasing as I rode away, with lightning about a mile east and a little less than a mile south. Good thing I was going west! Stayed dry in my Aerostich. Got a little leak through my "waterproof" Goretex overmitts. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 08:24:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16767; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26606; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04340 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Hail warning Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:24:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain See, this is why I didn't ride the shred last Saturday. Had nothing to do with being a wuss ;-> Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 7:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Hail warning > > At 05:37 PM 6/15/98 -0400, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > >scratch that! I was 10 minutes too late - pouring & HUGE lightning bolts > in DC > >now - hmmmm lightning, thunder, downpour, bluejeans, no gloves, rush > hour. I > >think I'll wait til it passes....... > > I rode home in that rain; no hail though. Got kind of dark, but no rain > until I got to the bike. The rain was steadily increasing as I rode away, > with lightning about a mile east and a little less than a mile south. > Good > thing I was going west! > > Stayed dry in my Aerostich. Got a little leak through my "waterproof" > Goretex overmitts. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 09:12:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17183; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27707; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05133 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ylvWm-0000rD-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:11:56 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:09:41 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A445@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wet Leathers... Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:10:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I found out one great thing about wet leathers: they sure keep you cool on the hot ride in to work! : ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 09:33:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17385; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28008; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (known www.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.251]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05542 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09564 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [161.253.17.208] ([161.253.17.208]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13028 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:35:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Charles L. Rosen" Subject: HAIL First I couldn't ride because of surgery. Then three months with a brace. Then my goddamn battery won't hold a charge. Then no local dealers have a battery. Then mailorder places won't send a battery (how'd they get it??) So I order one from a local shop. One week to get it. Stuck on call in hospital for 5 days, new battery home on charger. Monday, post call. I am GONNA RIDE come hell or high water. Skies cloudy, put battery in bike. It starts!!!!! Get on bike and ride. TEN MINUTES INTO RIDE........FUCKING HAIL!!!!!!! Now I'm back on call again for 96 hours. Looks beautiful outside. Not a good day to mess with me. ---------------------------------- Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Neurological Surgery George Washington University 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20037 page: (202) 994-3321 email: crosen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 09:41:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17484; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28088; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05681 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 369; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:41:17 -0400 Message-ID: <358675FB.66484AB8@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:41:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jencraig CC: dc-cycles , TL LIST Subject: Re: Extra Warranty References: <35857D3C.F7AF982A@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig wrote: > > So I bitched about how much time it has been in the shop, and the rep. > said he would give me credit "Extend my Factory Warranty ", for the time > it spent in the shop . > Well today my new service card arrived and it was Extended 5 months > !!!..HUH > Hopefully , when they fix it this time it will be for real ......Wish me > luck :~| > Craig > Blue TL -- Good luck, certainly! I hope to never find out how good Kawasaki warranties are, if you know what I mean. Ride Safe! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 09:42:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17495; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28103; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05708 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p29dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.61]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA30463; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:42:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35867689.D3135A11@smart.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:43:38 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles L. Rosen" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HAIL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thank the Lord you're not working on my brain. ;-D Charles L. Rosen wrote: > TEN MINUTES INTO RIDE........FUCKING HAIL!!!!!!! > > Now I'm back on call again for 96 hours. Looks beautiful outside. > > Not a good day to mess with me. > > ---------------------------------- > Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. > > Department of Neurological Surgery > George Washington University > 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue > Washington, DC 20037 > page: (202) 994-3321 > email: crosen@XXXXXX -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 09:50:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17614; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28188; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05882 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980616135232.24670.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.34.158.16] by send1c; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:52:32 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:52:32 -0700 (PDT) From: James Campbell Subject: Re: Hail Warning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep. I rode yesterday. Heavy rain in AM. This area missed the heavy afternoon stuff. GoreTex works, but it works better if you close the cool air vents under the arms -- doohh! BTW, anyone ever melt GoreTex on pipes? I've seen them get cookin' when left on the back deck of an M-1 tank (jet engine ya know). I figure they may scorch if I rest my knee on the crossover pipe, but I don't do that. Lemme know if you've ever cooked GoreTex on accident. Sarge Ft. Meade, MD '98 FLSTF --------Horkster wrote---------------- Subject: Hail warning Its' 5:00, and there's quite the hail-storm brewing here at work (Chantilly, VA). Just warning anyone screwy enough (like me) to ride to work today. Be careful! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 09:52:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17641; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28257; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (known www.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.251]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05928 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA11490; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [161.253.17.208] ([161.253.17.208]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28954; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A449@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:54:30 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: "Charles L. Rosen" Subject: RE: HAIL Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Wow, what shitty luck. I'm sorry. >Did the hail hurt? Oh Yes ---------------------------------- Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Neurological Surgery George Washington University 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20037 page: (202) 994-3321 email: crosen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 09:56:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17703; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28322; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06000 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA23306; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA22990; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980616135533.PGIO7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:55:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hail warning X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980616135533.PGIO7401@[166.41.242.141]> I left early, but.....Good thing I was in the cage because thumb sized rocks of hail beat the doodoo out of my car. Not that I care since the clear coating is peeling back everywhere anyway. Damage report: nicks in the paint all over, nicks in the windshield. Sounded like someone was hurling rocks at me. Todd From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Message-ID: <20a9627a.35858eb4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:14:27 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hail warning Yikes!!!! I'm outta here right now! :D Marcy In a message dated 6/15/98 5:06:14 PM, Horkster@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 09:56:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17704; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28323; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05996 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA02747 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:55:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA26042 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980616135531.PGII7401@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:55:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980616135531.PGII7401@[166.41.242.141]> Marcy wrote: >Actually, I'm pretty sure it'll be rather effective .... I've used some of >those phrases on raging angry people before and it DOES redirect their line of Well here's one that made me feel better toward our officers in blue. Coming home from Lake Placid this past Sunday, I noted a MD State Trooper pulled over behind a mommieVan, on his knees replacing her rear tire! I just thought that was worth mentioning, since it seemed above and beyond the officers duties. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 10:08:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17852; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28561; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (known lmmail.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06312 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.89]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 179 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:05:01 -0400 Message-ID: <16dc01bd9930$5cc18bf0$59111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: Subject: Re: HAIL Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:09:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Charles L. Rosen >First I couldn't ride because of surgery. >Then three months with a brace. ... >TEN MINUTES INTO RIDE........FUCKING HAIL!!!!!!! ... >Not a good day to mess with me. Oh, Charles. There, there. Sympathy flowing your way. Feel it. Envelop it. Take it in. Ahh. That's better. Life will start again. Amy - trying out the maternal hormones - I guess they do exist... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 10:11:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17875; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28595; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06359 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA10464; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:10:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01666; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:10:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980616141029.RRWU11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:10:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Charles L. Rosen" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HAIL X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980616141029.RRWU11142@[166.41.242.141]> >First I couldn't ride because of surgery. >Then three months with a brace. >Then my goddamn battery won't hold a charge. >Then no local dealers have a battery. >Then mailorder places won't send a battery (how'd they get it??) >So I order one from a local shop. >One week to get it. >Stuck on call in hospital for 5 days, new battery home on charger. >Monday, post call. I am GONNA RIDE come hell or high water. Skies cloudy, >put battery in bike. It starts!!!!! Get on bike and ride. > >TEN MINUTES INTO RIDE........FUCKING HAIL!!!!!!!> > >Now I'm back on call again for 96 hours. Looks beautiful outside. > >Not a good day to mess with me. > > >---------------------------------- >Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. ROTFLOL!!! The summary is a gem. You'll ride again Charles, and probably none too soon! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 10:14:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17929; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28663; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06434 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:14:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Lukedukes@XXXXXX Received: from Lukedukes@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUVUa04557 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f71fc8f.35867d9a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:13:45 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 please unsubscribe me to the list From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 10:15:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17942; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28697; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06466 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.34] (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:13:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Insurance Madness -Reply Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 10:18:20 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , cc: "DC Cycles" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >LIDAR??? What is that? Not sure what the acronym stands for, but basically, they bounce a laser off your vehicle and determine your speed. Harder to detect than Radar, and supposedly more accurate. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 10:16:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17953; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28710; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06487 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ylwW7-0000gE-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:15:19 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:12:14 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A450@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:13:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Now THAT is a cop I could even like! : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 9:44 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA > > > Marcy wrote: > >Actually, I'm pretty sure it'll be rather effective .... I've used > some of > >those phrases on raging angry people before and it DOES redirect > their line of > > Well here's one that made me feel better toward our officers in blue. > Coming home from Lake Placid this past Sunday, I noted a MD State > Trooper > pulled over behind a mommieVan, on his knees replacing her rear tire! > > I just thought that was worth mentioning, since it seemed above and > beyond the officers duties. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 10:26:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18069; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29148; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06761 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:25:57 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 4WDa004556; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:24:48 EDT To: crosen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HAIL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 hmmmmm ..... hope you don't have any surgeries planned for today ;D Marcy In a message dated 6/16/98 9:37:06 AM, crosen@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 10:26:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18073; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29172; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06770 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA03054 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199806161426.AA03054@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:03 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:03 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:24:32 -0400 Subject: Re: HAIL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16dc01bd9930$5cc18bf0$59111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles L. Rosen > >First I couldn't ride because of surgery. > >Then three months with a brace. > > ... > >TEN MINUTES INTO RIDE........FUCKING HAIL!!!!!!! > > ... > >Not a good day to mess with me. > > > Oh, Charles. There, there. Sympathy flowing your way. Feel it. Envelop > it. Take it in. > Ahh. That's better. Life will start again. > > Amy - trying out the maternal hormones - I guess they do exist... > > > X-Priority: 3 > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > ...I feel your pain sir. ...Is there anything we can say to help you deal with your problem sir? see...don't you feel better already? 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 10:33:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18167; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29451; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06885 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 345; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:32:50 -0400 Message-ID: <35868210.9463E4EA@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:32:48 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles L. Rosen" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HAIL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles L. Rosen wrote: > > First I couldn't ride because of surgery. > Then three months with a brace. > Then my goddamn battery won't hold a charge. > Then no local dealers have a battery. > Then mailorder places won't send a battery (how'd they get it??) > So I order one from a local shop. > One week to get it. > Stuck on call in hospital for 5 days, new battery home on charger. > Monday, post call. I am GONNA RIDE come hell or high water. Skies cloudy, > put battery in bike. It starts!!!!! Get on bike and ride. > > TEN MINUTES INTO RIDE........FUCKING HAIL!!!!!!! > > Now I'm back on call again for 96 hours. Looks beautiful outside. > > Not a good day to mess with me. You gotta admit, the timing of the hail was impeccable. :) Here's wishing you a getaway ride real soon! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 10:43:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18321; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29663; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07134 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA06821; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:45:09 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , "'crosen@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: HAIL Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:44:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brain surgery perhaps >-----Original Message----- >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 10:25 AM >To: crosen@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: HAIL > >hmmmmm ..... hope you don't have any surgeries planned for today ;D >Marcy > >In a message dated 6/16/98 9:37:06 AM, crosen@XXXXXX wrote: > ><Not a good day to mess with me. >---------------------------------- >Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. >Department of Neurological Surgery >George Washington University>> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 10:56:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18440; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29837; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07448 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA13412 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:48:29 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:53:25 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:56:04 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline friends, Two requests, if you please. One: could the original author send me the original cop post? I can't find it, so's I'm lost in this thread. Two: Does anyone have visual clues on the new cop Taurus(sp?) in VA? You know, like the cop Crown Vic--dual exhaust, blackwalls etc. Scary, cuz there's so many of that model out there; if they go to Toyota Camrys we're really screwed. Joe nagyj@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 11:21:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18767; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00758; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f196.hotmail.com [207.82.251.85]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08174 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16269 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jun 1998 15:20:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19980616152035.16268.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.119.40.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:20:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.119.40.132] From: "Don Burger" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:20:35 PDT To the credit of the Maryland State Troopers this is not an uncommon occurance. I spend a lot of time going back and forth to NJ on 95 and it is uncommon to see someone changing a tire without assisitance from the troopers, either by helping someone who couldn't do it on their own, or by stopping and putting on their lights so the person changing the tire doesn't get run over. These are little things that all police should do. Don B. >From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" >To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA >Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:13:24 -0400 > >Now THAT is a cop I could even like! : ) > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 9:44 AM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA >> >> >> Marcy wrote: >> >Actually, I'm pretty sure it'll be rather effective .... I've used >> some of >> >those phrases on raging angry people before and it DOES redirect >> their line of >> >> Well here's one that made me feel better toward our officers in blue. >> Coming home from Lake Placid this past Sunday, I noted a MD State >> Trooper >> pulled over behind a mommieVan, on his knees replacing her rear tire! >> >> I just thought that was worth mentioning, since it seemed above and >> beyond the officers duties. >> >> Todd > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 11:22:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18788; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00781; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08212 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.14 (pix000057.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.69]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03141; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:22:16 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9806161123.AA56959@172.17.2.14> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:23:56 -0300 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA -Reply Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline I saw a Tuarus last night, after I tailgated for a few miles then tried to pass before I realized he has a cop uniform on him. The strange thing then, however, was when I saw a kid in a Taurus trying to race him down the FX county parkway, weaving in and out of cars, no turnsignals, and the cop looked like he was going to race this kid. For a second I thought the kid was busted, and didn't notice it was a cop, but the cop didn't do a thing! (this kid had to have been doing 80 in and out of cars on the parkway!) Anyhow the Tauras is an SHO model (says "SHO" on the back bumper) and has dual exhaust, dark blue, and blackwalls (I think) I did not see any attenae on the car, though, which is why I almost passed him - the ONLY thing that made me realize it was a cop was his uniform. I thought it was his personal car... Matt x6242 > friends, > > Two requests, if you please. One: could the original author send me > the original cop post? I can't find it, so's I'm lost in this > thread. Two: > Does anyone have visual clues on the new cop Taurus(sp?) in VA? You > know, like the cop Crown Vic--dual exhaust, blackwalls etc. > > Scary, cuz there's so many of that model out there; if they go to > Toyota Camrys we're really screwed. > > Joe > nagyj@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 11:53:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19173; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01523; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08918 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:52:50 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA21139 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:52:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199806161552.AA21139@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:52:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:52:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:52:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:07:07 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA -Reply To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > Scary, cuz there's so many of that model out there; if they go to Toyota > Camrys we're really screwed. > > Joe > nagyj@XXXXXX > ..or worse yet...4 door Ford Explorers... -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 13:44:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20816; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03172; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12105 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 125; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:44:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3586AEF9.5C6D588B@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:44:25 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA References: <199806161552.AA21139@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, it's the thought of mommy vans with flashing lights that gives me the shivers. aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Scary, cuz there's so many of that model out there; if they go to > Toyota > > Camrys we're really screwed. > > > > Joe > > nagyj@XXXXXX > > > > ..or worse yet...4 door Ford Explorers... > > -aki -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 13:52:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20931; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03276; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12334 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:52:03 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA13017 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:51:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199806161751.AA13017@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:51:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:51:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:51:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:49:44 -0400 Subject: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3586AEF9.5C6D588B@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME see what you mean...kinda like me being pulled over in D.C. on my V65 by a cop on a 250 Rebel... ..but that's another story..*sigh*... -aki > No, it's the thought of mommy vans with flashing lights > that gives me the shivers. > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Scary, cuz there's so many of that model out there; if they go to > > Toyota > > > Camrys we're really screwed. > > > > > > Joe > > > nagyj@XXXXXX > > > > > > > ..or worse yet...4 door Ford Explorers... > > > > -aki > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:05:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21248; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03435; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12907 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806161805.OAA12907@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A39720605DE; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:04:07 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:07:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Keeping cool on a GoldWing? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've been giving some thought to buying a GoldWing for my wife and I to do some cross-country touring. The biggest problem I think I'd face is staying cool on a hot day behind that big fairing. My chosen level of protection is an Aerostich, full-face helmet, boots & gloves. With my current bike, I have a small fairing, and I remove the windscreen in the summer. What do people do to stay cool on a GoldWiing? I figure I could cut down the windscreen, add wings/scoops to the sides of the windscreen, and install Baker-built wings/scoops to the sides of the fairing. Any other ideas? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:06:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21261; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03456; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CVAX3.CDRH.FDA.GOV (known CVAX3.CDRH.FDA.GOV [150.148.36.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12943 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cdrh.fda.gov by CVAX3.CDRH.FDA.GOV (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IYB2121PIO9D5YWS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:04:19 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:04:16 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta CVAX3; Relayed; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:04:16 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:55:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Monahan, John C. 301-594-1212/158 fax 480-4224" Subject: Info on MC shops To: Balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: C94ZXKVK42HR X400-MTS-identifier: [;61404161608991/2226670@FDADR] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Well it is time to have some long overdue maintenance done on my KAW ZX. Most of the local dealers have a suspect repair reputation and I need to find a good shop in the Balt/Washington area. Although Northern VA is not out of the question I would prefer someplace closer to home. If you have personal experience with Myers Performance Cycle or some of the other shops in the Balt/Wash area I would appreciate hearing your opinions. Replies can be sent to jcm@XXXXXX Thanks in Advance, Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:08:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21287; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03478; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12989 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806161807.OAA12989@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A43E5D067C; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:06:54 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:10:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA In-Reply-To: <199806161751.AA13017@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <3586AEF9.5C6D588B@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ha, ha, ha! Oh my. Well, 'fess up ... what happened? Chris Norloff ******************************************************************** At 01:49 PM 6/16/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: >see what you mean...kinda like me being pulled over in >D.C. on my V65 by a cop on a 250 Rebel... > >..but that's another story..*sigh*... > >-aki > >> No, it's the thought of mommy vans with flashing lights >> that gives me the shivers. >> >> aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: >> > >> > > Scary, cuz there's so many of that model out there; if they go to >> > Toyota >> > > Camrys we're really screwed. >> > > >> > > Joe >> > > nagyj@XXXXXX >> > > >> > >> > ..or worse yet...4 door Ford Explorers... >> > >> > -aki >> >> -- >> >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >> horkster@XXXXXX >> >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:12:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21320; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03580; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13098 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 218; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: <35868038.8DA97CFD@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:24:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hail warning References: <19980616135533.PGIO7401@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whew. Glad it was the cage rather than your bikes! I for one was really glad of the covered parking garage here at work last night. It was raining sideways for a while too, along with the hail, and my bike was dry when I left. Of course I was already soaked from the walk out to the parking garage, so it didn't really matter too much. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 Todd Peer wrote: > > I left early, but.....Good thing I was in the cage because thumb sized > rocks of hail beat the doodoo out of my car. Not that I care since > the clear coating is peeling back everywhere anyway. > > Damage report: nicks in the paint all over, nicks in the windshield. > > Sounded like someone was hurling rocks at me. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:17:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21470; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03652; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13330 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA24186 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:17:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keeping cool on a GoldWing? In-Reply-To: <199806161805.OAA12907@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > I've been giving some thought to buying a GoldWing for my wife and I to do > some cross-country touring. The biggest problem I think I'd face is > staying cool on a hot day behind that big fairing. Pull a cold one from the fridge? Turn the A/C on? I think all you can do is to attempt to redirect air (as you mentioned). I would be surprised if you couldn't find 'summer' windscreens for those things (every other gadget exists for them). An extra screen with holes drilled in it? Find the goldwing e-mail list and ask them... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:23:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21738; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03800; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13854 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 200; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:23:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3586B828.23002228@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:23:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Keeping cool on a GoldWing? References: <199806161805.OAA12907@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > I've been giving some thought to buying a GoldWing for my wife and I to do > some cross-country touring. The biggest problem I think I'd face is > staying cool on a hot day behind that big fairing. > I think your concern is valid, Chris. Roasting behind the fairing on a hot day is my biggest complaint about the Concours. My lower body gets plenty warm too. For a liquid cooled bike (my first) the Concours sure runs way hotter than my old LTD ever did. I'm not sure that is a good thing (but I'm not gonna start the old vs. new thing again! :) Rode back from lunch today with my jacket in the right saddlebag. :( Hot, hot, hot. I'm working on a cheap plexiglass "shorty" windscreen for my bike now - gonna probably run over to Leon's tonight to cut it down to size - hopefully that will help. How about a Valkyrie with the hard bags, Chris? :-) I used to think a nekkid Goldwing (with all the plastic removed) would be a pretty cool looking bike. But the Valkyrie wasn't quite what I had in mind. Too cruiser-esque for my tastes. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:42:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21898; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04013; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.arl.mil (known stinger.arl.mil [131.218.32.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14245 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lotus Notes by mail.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00040DDA; Tue, 16 Jun 98 14:39:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:40:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00040DDA.NE21372@mail.arl.mil> From: jkboyd@XXXXXX (Kevin Boyd) Subject: Re: Info on MC shops To: "John C. 301-594-1212/158 fax 480-4224 Monahan" Cc: Balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Reply Try the Motorcycle Shop in College Park. They are located on Route 1 about a mile south of the I95 exit ramp. Talk to Rock and tell him Kevin Boyd sent you. The number is (301)474-2228/2229. Take it easy! Kevin "John C. 301-594-1212/158 fax 480-4224 Monahan" on 06/16/98 01:55:47 PM To: Balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Kevin Boyd/arl) Subject: Info on MC shops Well it is time to have some long overdue maintenance done on my KAW ZX. Most of the local dealers have a suspect repair reputation and I need to find a good shop in the Balt/Washington area. Although Northern VA is not out of the question I would prefer someplace closer to home. If you have personal experience with Myers Performance Cycle or some of the other shops in the Balt/Wash area I would appreciate hearing your opinions. Replies can be sent to jcm@XXXXXX Thanks in Advance, Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:42:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21903; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04033; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mastermind-tech.com (known [38.181.52.2] [38.181.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14276 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.mastermind-tech.com ([38.181.52.8]) by smtp.mastermind-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24740 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806161843.OAA24740@smtp.mastermind-tech.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Lowenstein" Organization: MasterMind Technologies, Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:40:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Info on MC shops Reply-to: dlowenst@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Hi Jack - I've used Myer's regularly over the last few years for work on my Triumph. They're a good shop for vintage bikes - knowledgeable and no-nonsense, and the guy who owns the place is the one who works on the bikes. I cannot speak to their capabilities on modern bikes, though. Good luck. Dave > Well it is time to have some long overdue maintenance done on my > KAW ZX. Most of the local dealers have a suspect repair > reputation and I need to find a good shop in the Balt/Washington > area. Although Northern VA is not out of the question I would > prefer someplace closer to home. > > If you have personal experience with Myers Performance Cycle or > some of the other shops in the Balt/Wash area I would appreciate > hearing your opinions. ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenst@XXXXXX 67 E-Type OTS S1.5 driver 71 Olds Cutlass Convertible 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:48:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21948; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04104; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14384 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:47:59 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WEJa004520 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:46:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: looking for a lister Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Hello, Will the person who bought the Fieldsheer Autobahn suit from me please send me a note (off the list)? Embarrassingly, I have forgotten your name and cannot find your e-mail address. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:51:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21977; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04179; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14525 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:51:08 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WHBVa22587 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f726730.3586be77@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:50:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Info on MC shops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 While they have never worked on my bike, I think they are great guys. I'm sure if you had a bike they did not feel qualified to fix, they would tell you. Colleen >I've used Myer's regularly over the last few years for work on my >Triumph. They're a good shop for vintage bikes - knowledgeable and >no-nonsense, and the guy who owns the place is the one who works on >the bikes. I cannot speak to their capabilities on modern bikes, >though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 14:58:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22114; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04339; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14826 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA24281 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:58:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199806161858.AA24281@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:58:12 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:58:12 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:58:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:56:58 -0400 Subject: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806161807.OAA12989@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME cop sees me in traffic lane splitting (or atleast that's what *he* thought, I was *merely* going between two taxis that were double parked)...he hits his siren but I didn't hear him...it sounded like a really pissed off bug or something..nothing like a cop siren... ..anyway I got about two more blocks before I see this *really* tiny little set of lights behind me with this REALLY BIG FAT COP sitting on top of it.. He pulled me over, and before he could say anything, gawd, I couldn't help myself, I said: "So...who did you piss off to have to ride THAT?"...all the while trying to hold back as much laughter as I could... He looked at me for a moment, looked at his bike and said: "Pathetic isn't it?...Now can I see your license and registration please" After about 20 minutes of waiting in traffic, he finally came back told me what I did and let me go with a warning after I explained why I drove between the two taxis (it was either that or go head on into oncoming traffic)... I thanked him and wished him luck in the "Harley pool"..he just smirked and wished me a nice day... gawd...I swear he looked like one of those circus elephants riding a tricycle...it was a hoot.. -aki > Ha, ha, ha! Oh my. Well, 'fess up ... what happened? > > Chris Norloff > > ******************************************************************** > At 01:49 PM 6/16/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >see what you mean...kinda like me being pulled over in > >D.C. on my V65 by a cop on a 250 Rebel... > > > >..but that's another story..*sigh*... > > > >-aki > > > >> No, it's the thought of mommy vans with flashing lights > >> that gives me the shivers. > >> > >> aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >> > > >> > > Scary, cuz there's so many of that model out there; if they go to > >> > Toyota > >> > > Camrys we're really screwed. > >> > > > >> > > Joe > >> > > nagyj@XXXXXX > >> > > > >> > > >> > ..or worse yet...4 door Ford Explorers... > >> > > >> > -aki > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > >> horkster@XXXXXX > >> > >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > >> > > > > > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 15:12:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22282; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04554; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15218 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA28123 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA14972 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980616191205.RAVQ7401@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:12:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: I'm out of here.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980616191205.RAVQ7401@[166.41.242.141]> Me and Sean Sullivan will be attempting our IBA SS1000 beginning this Thursday afternoon on our way to Taos, NM. Linda Tanner will be leaving early tommorrow morning in a fitful attempt to beat us out there... ;) All this means is I'll be off list for almost a month beginning tommorrow. Aw, don't cry! Linda told me she wasn't going to signoff, so keep those Cruiser vs. Sportbike, Tire, Oil, Conceal and Carry, Helmet and Deals Gap threads coming. Load it up!!! :-) Also, I expect a decision on the DC-Cycles logo to have been made by the time I return. I want my sticker yesterday to show off to those HSTA guys and gals out in Taos. Have fun in the sun everyone, and keep those tires down on the ground. I really don't want to hear any bad news when I get back. I'll do my part, you do yours. See-ya! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 15:19:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22449; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04613; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15480 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 1GPDa04521; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:18:22 EDT To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Keeping cool on a GoldWing? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Don't they just turn on the AC? ;D Marcy In a message dated 6/16/98 2:09:53 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 15:30:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22668; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04763; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15833 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ym1Q2-00074y-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:29:22 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A472@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: I'm out of here.... Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:20:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Good luck, guys!! Have fun! - Jeannette > Me and Sean Sullivan will be attempting our IBA SS1000 beginning this > Thursday afternoon on our way to Taos, NM. > > > See-ya! > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 15:39:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22851; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04875; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16188 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25691 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:38:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: When things go wrong... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I recently attended a Rally (well, I was actually the organizer but...) down in North Carolina. By and large we had a great time (it was for Hawk GTs and we managed to get 22 of them together in spite of the rain that Friday and Saturday). However, we had a pretty bad crash (not as bad as the recent one we had here locally). I think crashes provide a good opportunity for reflection. For the morbid, the remains of the crashed Ducati 748 can be seen at: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/photo/deadduc1.jpg http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/photo/deadduc2.jpg http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/photo/deadduc3.jpg Note that the tail section was removed by mother earth and not by human hands... The Duc rider was following a retired AMA Pro - who was not pushing the envelope of his capabilities but was riding what amounts to an 8/10 pace for him. Unfortunately, the Duc rider got too comfortable with that pace on what was basically a clean road and didn't have any leeway in his capabilities once he came upon a dirty corner. Besides the bike, two cracked ribs and a broken collarbone (not to mention the broken ego) were suffered. Lessons: wear protective gear, know your own capabilities, always watch for obstacles in the road, ride for the corner exit not the corner entrance, etc. I can't imagine my bike laying in a jumbled mess on the road and I try to minimize that likelihood. Witnessing these incidents only confirms my passion. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 15:41:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22870; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04908; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16221 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25739 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:41:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Friday ride? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What's the deal on the Friday ride? I may be influenced to take the day off if something good like US250 was being offered up... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 16:04:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23156; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05401; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16765 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:53:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:53:19 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outta here Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline RE: Outta here Thanks Jeannette! See everyone in a couple of weeks! Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck, guys!! Have fun! - Jeannette > Me and Sean Sullivan will be attempting our IBA SS1000 beginning this > Thursday afternoon on our way to Taos, NM. > > See-ya! > Todd <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 17:21:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24533; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07027; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19742 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr32-dialup25.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EUN00C68XWKJY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:19:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:18:35 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: I'm out of here.... To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <012201bd98e6$37265140$d94a37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 You people are seriously hard core!!!!!!! Have fun and be safe.......... ===================== Jon Schumer 92 FZR 600 dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ# 11193913 ===================== -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 7:28 PM Subject: I'm out of here.... > >Me and Sean Sullivan will be attempting our IBA SS1000 beginning this >Thursday afternoon on our way to Taos, NM. > >Linda Tanner will be leaving early tommorrow morning in a fitful attempt >to beat us out there... ;) > >All this means is I'll be off list for almost a month beginning >tommorrow. Aw, don't cry! > >Linda told me she wasn't going to signoff, so keep those Cruiser vs. >Sportbike, Tire, Oil, Conceal and Carry, Helmet and Deals Gap threads >coming. Load it up!!! :-) > >Also, I expect a decision on the DC-Cycles logo to have been made by >the time I return. I want my sticker yesterday to show off to those >HSTA guys and gals out in Taos. > >Have fun in the sun everyone, and keep those tires down on the ground. >I really don't want to hear any bad news when I get back. I'll do my >part, you do yours. > >See-ya! >Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 17:39:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24807; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09087; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20167 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.54] (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:37:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping cool on a GoldWing? Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 17:42:16 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I think all you can do is to attempt to redirect air (as you mentioned). I >would be surprised if you couldn't find 'summer' windscreens for those >things (every other gadget exists for them). An extra screen with holes >drilled in it? Tulsa Enterprises. I've got their phone number somewhere.... >Find the goldwing e-mail list and ask them... with the following command in the body of your email message: subscribe wings-digest ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 17:39:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24815; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09103; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20177 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.54] (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:37:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA -Reply Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 17:42:25 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "JOE NAGY" , "DC Cycles" , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Scary, cuz there's so many of that model out there; if they go to Toyota >Camrys we're really screwed. Got you beat. In Md, they have Ford Expeditions and Explorers. So far, the only ones I hve seen have been marked vehicles. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 17:39:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24813; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09089; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20165 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.54] (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:37:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping cool on a GoldWing? Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 17:42:19 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >What do people do to stay cool on a GoldWiing? I figure I could cut down >the windscreen, add wings/scoops to the sides of the windscreen, and >install Baker-built wings/scoops to the sides of the fairing. Any other >ideas? Buy a Valkyrie? Find a Voyager? I think they are supposed to be a bit cooler than the 1500 Wings. Write again in a few weeks, and I'll tell you what the 1100 is like for heat. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 17:39:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24814; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09101; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20173 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.54] (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:37:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keeping cool on a GoldWing? Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 17:42:23 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Dale Horstman" , "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >How about a Valkyrie with the hard bags, Chris? :-) I used to >think a nekkid Goldwing (with all the plastic removed) would >be a pretty cool looking bike. But the Valkyrie wasn't quite >what I had in mind. Too cruiser-esque for my tastes. Plenty of 1000 and 1100 Wings about. I know of two that you can get from the guy I bought my 1100 Interstate from. Were it not for the expense in switching over to a non-faired front (as well as losing a mounting place for tons of doo-dads) I'd think about getting a standard GL front for my wing. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 17:54:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24983; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09772; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20606 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WEZFa04364 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a378837.3586e94c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:53:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: LIDAR - Re: Insurance Madness -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-16 10:19:29 EDT, you write: << Harder to detect than Radar, and supposedly more accurate. >> The drawback of it is that it must be used in very close range. Usually less than 15 feet to be accurate. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 18:19:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25231; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10121; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21217 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:19:16 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFMLa22587 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a9bebdd.3586ef3c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:18:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Friday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-16 06:57:10 EDT, you write: << Good point about the traffic. I think our best bet would be to meet on the way to where ever we decide. If we choose WV maybe somewhere towards the west would be a good meeting spot. >> As for the route and such Im very open about it.....dont care either way. Was just a suggestion. Keep us posted. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 19:03:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25522; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10374; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22010 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-06.dial.nova.org (pm2-06.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.230]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA29240 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:03:44 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This Coming Friday Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:03:42 GMT Message-ID: <3589f93b.65366966@mailgate.nova.org> References: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267FC@DADC015> In-Reply-To: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267FC@DADC015> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:03:43 -0400, "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: >How do I always get elected for this stuff? I might be able to put >something together if Morris doesn't come up with anything. I wouldn't mind leading my standard day trip: VA647, VA522, US211, someroad, US250, WV28, US33, someotherroads. I've got to feel out the new Azaro I put on the rear last week. I'm in the mood for some tight corners taken briskly... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 19:19:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25642; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10512; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22265 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA09005 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3587282C.7782@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:21:32 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Farewell STAR Butts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd wrote: --> snip <-- > Have fun in the sun everyone, and keep those tires down on the ground. > I really don't want to hear any bad news when I get back. I'll do my > part, you do yours. > > See-ya! > Todd Hey Todd & Sean & Linda, Best of luck to you guys riding out there. See y'all when you get back ! JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 19:43:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25841; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10647; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22621 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.144]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 258; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:42:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3586BC2E.BAE060E8@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:40:46 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thomas Gimer , dc-cycles Subject: weekend ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom , No plans as of yet , but I will let you know if we make plans.. Craig Blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 19:59:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25914; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10706; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22786 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p1dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.33]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21439; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:59:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3587072C.95D0E60B@smart.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:00:45 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This Coming Friday References: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4043267FC@DADC015> <3589f93b.65366966@mailgate.nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I can get Friday off, I'd love to join you guys. Please post departure time/location. Kirk Roy wrote: > I wouldn't mind leading my standard day trip: VA647, VA522, US211, > someroad, US250, WV28, US33, someotherroads. I've got to feel out the > new Azaro I put on the rear last week. > > I'm in the mood for some tight corners taken briskly... -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 20:36:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26353; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10913; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23557 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (ppp54.net-A.dc.net [205.252.61.54]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id UAA02501 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000001bd99a0$c9a08800$363dfccd@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: I'm out of here.... Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:30:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 12:35 PM Subject: I'm out of here.... --------Snip-------------------- >Have fun in the sun everyone, and keep those tires down on the ground. >I really don't want to hear any bad news when I get back. I'll do my >part, you do yours. > >See-ya! >Todd > Good luck guys, Wish I were going with ya' :-) Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 22:12:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27454; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11389; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25612 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:12:13 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFIIa26053 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:10:28 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <78a9c546.35872597@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:10:28 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: This Coming Friday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-16 19:16:17 EDT, you write: << I wouldn't mind leading my standard day trip: VA647, VA522, US211, someroad, US250, WV28, US33, someotherroads. I've got to feel out the new Azaro I put on the rear last week. I'm in the mood for some tight corners taken briskly... >> Sounds good to me!!!!! I actually scraped a peg on my TL for the first time today. Very low speed turn tho. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 22:17:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27508; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11420; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25645 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:17:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WCTJa26052 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:13:38 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <2733fed3.35872654@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:13:38 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: OK, who's in for Friday?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Just trying to get an idea. So far: Me Glenn Morris Tom G. (maybe)....hey Tom, just call in sick! Anybody else? Do keep in mind that Glenn was talking about brisk cornering.... Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 22:28:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27584; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11468; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25787 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA20170; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:26:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Kirk Roy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This Coming Friday In-Reply-To: <3589f93b.65366966@mailgate.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That sounds like a good plan to me. Does WV 9 get in there somehow? What's a good meeting place? I'd like to avoid 495 if possible. I am not yet certain that I'll have Friday off, but am working dilgently on it. Anyone heard a weather forecast? On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:03:43 -0400, "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" > wrote: > >How do I always get elected for this stuff? I might be able to put > >something together if Morris doesn't come up with anything. > > I wouldn't mind leading my standard day trip: VA647, VA522, US211, > someroad, US250, WV28, US33, someotherroads. I've got to feel out the > new Azaro I put on the rear last week. > > I'm in the mood for some tight corners taken briskly... > > Kirk > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 22:50:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27771; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11619; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26106 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p15dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.47]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA28098; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:49:47 -0400 Message-ID: <35872F26.456C6DF5@smart.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:51:18 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This Coming Friday References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EXTENDED OUTLOOK FOR WASHINGTON DC AND BALTIMORE .FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY...PARTLY CLOUDY AND VERY WARM WITH A CHANCE OF AFTERNOON AND EVENING THUNDERSTORMS. LOWS 65 TO 70 AND HIGHS AROUND 90. Morris Berman wrote: > That sounds like a good plan to me. Does WV 9 get in there somehow? > What's a good meeting place? I'd like to avoid 495 if possible. I am > not yet certain that I'll have Friday off, but am working dilgently on > it. Anyone heard a weather forecast? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 23:03:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27838; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11716; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26241 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:03:02 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZHa017153 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:58:46 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <86cff53b.358730e7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:58:46 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: This Coming Friday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-16 22:54:12 EDT, you write: << EXTENDED OUTLOOK FOR WASHINGTON DC AND BALTIMORE >> Well, we all know that you will get different reports from different sources. Plus, this is the time of year that things change from day to day. Hell, they cant even get it right 12 hours in advance!!! Pray for sun. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 23:31:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27996; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11843; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26601 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-01.dial.nova.org (pm2-01.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.225]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA03180 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:30:55 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This Coming Friday Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 03:30:57 GMT Message-ID: <358e36c3.81121086@mailgate.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT), Morris Berman wrote: >That sounds like a good plan to me. Does WV 9 get in there somehow? =20 9 is a bit further north than I was thinking of. Of course, someone else could have a suitable route as well. Is there more good stuff to 9 besides what's just west of Berkeley Springs? >What's a good meeting place? I'd like to avoid 495 if possible. Avoid 495 for traffic concerns or simply because it's superslab? I don't know where you're coming from but I like the rest area on 66 as a meeting spot. We can zip out to 647 from there. We may want to plan on a little bit of an early meeting time. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 23:39:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28038; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11910; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26741 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA25739; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:35:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:31:23 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: HAIL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Charles L. Rosen wrote: > Then no local dealers have a battery. > Then mailorder places won't send a battery (how'd they get it??) > So I order one from a local shop. Ever think to try Interstate Battery?That's were I picked up the sealed one I used to have in the Buell.They're nothing but batteries, so if they don't have what you need,they should be able to get it. Prices are good too. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 23:47:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28182; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11974; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26991 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA25772; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:44:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:38:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Hail Warning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980616135232.24670.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, James Campbell wrote: > BTW, anyone ever melt GoreTex on pipes? I've seen them get cookin' > when left on the back deck of an M-1 tank (jet engine ya know). I > figure they may scorch if I rest my knee on the crossover pipe, but I > don't do that. Lemme know if you've ever cooked GoreTex on accident. I'm sure a hot exhaust would melt GoreTex.I'd say either look into heat shields,or just dump the stock exhaust for an aftermarket system. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 16 23:51:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28259; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12004; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27103 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FDCa005170; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:47:07 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:47:07 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HAIL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I have finally seen an actual Buell and I am in LOVE. Was at the Harley store on Indian Head highway last weekend (and got stuck there for 2 hours during the torrential rains and lightning and thunder) and had the chance to gaze upon several different Buells........ they are BEAUTIFUL thanks for listening ;D -Marcy In a message dated 98-06-16 23:43:09 EDT, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << sealed one I used to have in the Buell >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 00:03:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28577; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12690; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27306 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:03:28 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WNIHa12329 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:01:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HAIL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-16 23:54:19 EDT, you write: << Buells........ they are BEAUTIFUL >> No offense to anyone here of course, but I cant believe that last statement. Pure ugly, from birth to death. Not to mention that humongous engine. Hey Buell, if you are listening, ever hear of WEIGHT REDUCTION???????? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 00:28:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29171; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13288; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27697 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr31-dialup22.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EUO00G9UHQR6S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:28:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:27:06 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: HAIL To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <003901bd9922$147fcea0$964a37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 4:20 AM Subject: Re: HAIL >In a message dated 98-06-16 23:54:19 EDT, you write: > ><< Buells........ they are BEAUTIFUL >> > >No offense to anyone here of course, but I cant believe that last statement. >Pure ugly, from birth to death. Not to mention that humongous engine. Hey >Buell, if you are listening, ever hear of WEIGHT REDUCTION???????? > >Jack {8^O glad I'm not the first one to say something.......... ===================== Jon Schumer 92 FZR 600 dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ# 11193913 ===================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 00:34:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29266; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13341; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27775 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA26231; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:31:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:26:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: HAIL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > I have finally seen an actual Buell and I am in LOVE. Was at the Harley store > on Indian Head highway last weekend (and got stuck there for 2 hours during > the torrential rains and lightning and thunder) HD of Wash DC.That's where I bought the S1. > and had the chance to gaze > upon several different Buells........ they are BEAUTIFUL Sitting on the showroom floor.In their natural habitat(broken,at the side of the road) is a different matter entirely. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 00:44:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29368; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13409; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27862 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA26268; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:41:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:31:29 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: HAIL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <003901bd9922$147fcea0$964a37a6@0302104396168270> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Jon Schumer wrote: > >No offense to anyone here of course, but I cant believe that last > statement. > >Pure ugly, from birth to death. Not to mention that humongous engine. Hey > >Buell, if you are listening, ever hear of WEIGHT REDUCTION???????? > > {8^O glad I'm not the first one to say > something.......... I've never heard a negative comment about my bike's looks that wasn't specifically directed at the airbox or muffler. As for weight reduction;are you for real?A 1200cc bike weighing 475lbs wet?With the optional PM wheels and an aftermarket slip-on your looking for a wet weight in the 450's.There's 600cc sportbikes that weigh more than that. :-P The official Buellboy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 00:50:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29431; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13451; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27908 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA26290; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:46:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:42:59 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Re: New Cop Attitude in VA -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806161552.AA21139@egate2.citicorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > Scary, cuz there's so many of that model out there; if they go to > Toyota > > Camrys we're really screwed. > ..or worse yet...4 door Ford Explorers... Even worse,ZX-11's and tanks! (remember Strange Days?) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 01:45:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29989; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13740; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28453 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.43] (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:42:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LIDAR - Re: Insurance Madness -Reply Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 01:47:39 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" ><< Harder to detect than Radar, and supposedly more accurate. >> > >The drawback of it is that it must be used in very close range. Usually less >than 15 feet to be accurate. But it's still got admissability in just about every court in the country. I think Car and Driver had an article where somebody could get a stationary courtroom wall to read '4 mph'. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 06:34:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01968; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16100; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01629 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FHYBa05170; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <673ba582.35879b30@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:31:54 EDT To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HAIL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-16 23:54:19 EDT, JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: << and had the chance to gaze upon several different Buells........ they are BEAUTIFUL >> I have heard many things said about them but this is new to me. LOL Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 06:41:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01990; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16149; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01688 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FLNCa05150; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:40:30 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HAIL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-17 00:48:38 EDT, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << As for weight reduction;are you for real?A 1200cc bike weighing 475lbs >> Hmmm, it's not so much the displacement/weight ratio I think as the power/weight ratio that is important. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 07:21:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02182; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16306; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (known www.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.251]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02012 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA01838; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [161.253.17.208] ([161.253.17.208]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09184; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199806161426.AA03054@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <16dc01bd9930$5cc18bf0$59111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:06:31 -0400 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX From: "Charles L. Rosen" Subject: Re: HAIL Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >...I feel your pain sir. Sounds like psychobabble to me. > >...Is there anything we can say to help you deal with your problem sir? > If you mention a couch I am out of here. >see...don't you feel better already? no ---------------------------------- Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Neurological Surgery George Washington University 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20037 page: (202) 994-3321 email: crosen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 07:21:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02181; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16308; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (known www.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.251]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02013 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by www.CIRC.gwu.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA01844; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [161.253.17.208] ([161.253.17.208]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09194; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:17:41 -0400 To: "Gil M. Nissley" From: "Charles L. Rosen" Subject: Re: HAIL Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Ever think to try Interstate Battery? No I didn't, but I have a friend who works for a shop that does engine work for drag racers, mostly suzooks. He ordered it for me. Took a week. $75. Not to bad. ---------------------------------- Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Neurological Surgery George Washington University 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20037 page: (202) 994-3321 email: crosen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 07:44:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02287; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16455; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02280 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:44:14 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D6D@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Helmet Review - Shoei RFR Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:42:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, they've been talked about a million times before, but what good's this list if I can't throw out MY opinion on something? I went and bought this helmet for racing (wanted something new, something that'd pass Tech (My Arai Quantim is 4 years old.. it's seen a few door jams and such). This morning I decided I ought to wear it to work and test it out, make sure it wasn't going to be SO uncomfortable that I'd not wear it. First off, Shoei makes helmet for people with FAT HEADS.. I wear a Large in Arai, and a SMALL!??! In Shoei. But it fits well, gives me chipmunk cheeks but doesn't squeeze anywhere where it could be painfull. It seemed to flow air pretty well, I couldn't feel it as much as with my Arai, but there's more vents on my Arai too. I con't like the way the shield works - it's on a ractheting system.. not smooth like my Arai.. I can't just crack it a mm, it has to be to the first notch.. but this is trivial. It Feels really short on the head.. like it doesn't come down the neck, but it's actually down almost as far as my Arai (I remember thinking the Arai came down REALLY far when I first got that). The wind noise is about the same.. I wear earplugs and couldn't really tell any difference... I doubt there's a helmet out there that'll be noticably quiter. About the worst thing about the helmet (and this MAY be specific) is the shield (aftermarket tinted) - the optics are FAR from constant. It's so bad that it started making my eyes water a little when I was looking for road irregularities (took a different road for the first time today, was looking for potential road hazards more than usual). I'm not sure if this is also true with the clear visor.. and I'm going to look at a few other tinted shields at my dealer to see if they posess the same trait. Even this is a slightly nit-picky thing. I guess I can't find much to complain about when compairing my 4 year old Arai Quantum that I've worn almost daily for the entire time to this new helmet, and the price difference is as large as it is. The Arai was bought for somewhere near $450 w/tinted shield - the RFR was bought for $204 w/tinted shield - $170 for the helmet (plain colors) is a pretty screaming deal if you ask me.. but hey, what do I know? Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 08:29:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02566; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16708; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02983 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806171229.IAA02983@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A63C11CD016A; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:27:40 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:30:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: This Coming Friday In-Reply-To: <86cff53b.358730e7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ><< EXTENDED OUTLOOK FOR WASHINGTON DC AND BALTIMORE PARTLY CLOUDY AND VERY WARM WITH A CHANCE OF AFTERNOON AND EVENING THUNDERSTORMS. LOWS 65 TO 70 AND HIGHS AROUND 90. >> > >Well, we all know that you will get different reports from different sources. >Plus, this is the time of year that things change from day to day. Hell, they >cant even get it right 12 hours in advance!!! >Pray for sun. >Jack That forecast sounds very accurate - for June, July, and August. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 08:29:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02570; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16706; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02979 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806171229.IAA02979@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A63711CD016A; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:27:38 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:26:49 -0400 To: "DC Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Keeping cool on a GoldWing? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:42 PM 6/16/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Plenty of 1000 and 1100 Wings about. I know of two that you can get from >the guy I bought my 1100 Interstate from. Hmmm ... tell me more. >Were it not for the expense in switching over to a non-faired front (as >well as losing a mounting place for tons of doo-dads) I'd think about >getting a standard GL front for my wing. What do you have now? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:10:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02844; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16911; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03541 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04274 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:10:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199806171310.AA04274@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:10:21 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: This Coming Friday Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:10:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain << EXTENDED OUTLOOK FOR WASHINGTON DC AND BALTIMORE PARTLY CLOUDY AND VERY WARM WITH A CHANCE OF AFTERNOON AND EVENING THUNDERSTORMS. LOWS 65 TO 70 AND HIGHS AROUND 90. >> >That forecast sounds very accurate - for June, July, and August. >Chris Norloff Halfway through September, too... Cut it out and paste it onto your screen - Voila! Instant Weather Report! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:21:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03053; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17095; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03897 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:21:19 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FYJAa26052; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <754f24c5.3587c291@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:20:15 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: HAIL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 ahhhhhhhh haaaaaaaaaaa!!!! :D In a message dated 6/17/98 12:39:25 AM, gnissley@XXXXXX wrote: << Sitting on the showroom floor.In their natural habitat(broken,at the side of the road) is a different matter entirely.>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:27:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03120; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17141; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04002 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:27:08 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BSJFa26167; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18412bc4.3587c3fb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:26:18 EDT To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet Review - Shoei RFR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 EXCUSE ME? Fat heads?!?!?! watch it or I'll headbutt you! ;D LOL Marcy In a message dated 6/17/98 7:49:08 AM, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:36:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03202; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17201; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04162 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 268; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:36:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3587C63B.40911C11@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:35:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: HAIL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > I've never heard a negative comment about my bike's looks that > wasn't specifically directed at the airbox or muffler. Well, since you mentioned it, I've never gotten the warm tinglies over that silly open spring/shock thingy on the underside of the frame. Open to view on one side, closed on the other, I presume? Whatever. I imagine it would be a blast to ride, however! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:41:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03284; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17316; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (known machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04289 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by server.va.chesapeake-systems.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BD99D3.C70A92B0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:39:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Undercover Vehicles Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:39:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got you beat. In Md, they have Ford Expeditions and Explorers. So far, the only ones I hve seen have been marked vehicles. Nope, saw an unmarked Expedition in Falls Church the other morning. There was a fender bender and he was there directing traffic. A green one with blue lights in the windows. VERY unmarked, didn't even have a special license plate. All it had was a cell-phone antenna. I guess it could be a city of falls church cop though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:43:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03319; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17338; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04339 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA07065 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:43:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199806171343.AA07065@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:43:46 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: HAIL Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:43:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >I've never heard a negative comment about my bike's looks that >wasn't specifically directed at the airbox or muffler. The muffler isn't too bad (a little automtive, but out of sight). The airbox, however, looks like it should have a little red flag on the side. I saw an after market carbon fiber airbox that fit nicely in the curve of the frame tubes - looked quite nice. Probably doesn't perform as well as the stocker though... :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:45:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03338; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17360; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04366 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:45:26 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D6F@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: WAS: ( HAIL) now Buells.. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:44:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wait, those things run? I thought they were just expensive livingroom art for those who like things a little strange. Maybe a big paperweight... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work I imagine it would be a blast to ride, however! :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:48:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03406; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17442; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04460 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ymIZh-0004jT-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:48:29 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:47:10 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A484@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jon Schumer'" , DC Cycle Club Subject: RE: HAIL Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:47:21 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, I'm one of Marcy's best friends & I can't even agree with her here! ; ) - Jeannette > >In a message dated 98-06-16 23:54:19 EDT, you write: > > > ><< Buells........ they are BEAUTIFUL >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:50:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03461; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17487; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known [206.135.160.194] [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04520 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:48:19 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:49:59 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Review - Shoei RFR -Reply "Shoei makes helmet for people with FAT HEADS." Actually, Shoei can't decide what size heads it's making helmets for. I've got a "medium" RF 200 that fits snugly, a "large" RF 800 that fits well, and an "extra large" X-8 that fits good too. MY HEAD ISN'T THREE DIFFERENT SIZES FOLKS! MY HAT SIZE DOESN'T CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE HELMET I WEAR! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:53:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03485; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17526; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04594 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:53:35 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D71@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: WERA Races.. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:52:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Argh.. noone else has mentioned this.. but there are WERA Races this weekend at Summit Point.. and, if someone can offer to tow a trailer for me, I'll be there racing.. otherwise I'll need a ride to cornerwork... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:55:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03506; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17562; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04632 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA09537 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:55:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: HAIL In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A484@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Hey, I'm one of Marcy's best friends & I can't even agree with her here! > ; ) > > > >In a message dated 98-06-16 23:54:19 EDT, you write: > > ><< Buells........ they are BEAUTIFUL >> There are plenty of people who think bulldogs, boston terriers, etc are beautiful dogs. There are also plenty who think they're hideous freakish animals. There are plenty who think Buells look cool and vice versa. I've got a boston terrier AND I think Buells look cool. What's wrong with me? If Buells were reliable machines I might have one parked in the garage now... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 09:57:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03522; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17602; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04680 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA09597 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:57:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Review - Shoei RFR -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, David Wakefield wrote: > I've got a "medium" RF 200 that fits snugly, a "large" RF 800 that fits well, > and an "extra large" X-8 that fits good too. MY HEAD ISN'T THREE > DIFFERENT SIZES FOLKS! MY HAT SIZE DOESN'T CHANGE DEPENDING > ON THE HELMET I WEAR! The X-8 was Shoei's 'Arai head' helmet and didn't use the same form as their other helmets. I don't know why the 200 and 800 would be different... It's always a good idea to try a helmet in the model you want before buying. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 10:30:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03934; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18499; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05765 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:29:25 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 1ETPa26167; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6ec7f00d.3587d23a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:27:05 EDT To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: HAIL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 HEY! ;D thanks a lot! In a message dated 6/17/98 9:53:15 AM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 10:31:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03942; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18540; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05856 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id SQDEa05238; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e7d0a64.3587d2a9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:28:54 EDT To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: HAIL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 what do ya think of that O'Brien & Zell? ;D In a message dated 6/17/98 10:04:43 AM, kirk@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 10:45:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04295; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19385; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06476 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ymJQH-0003nr-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:42:49 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:39:52 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A490@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: HAIL Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:40:04 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I love 80-pound American pit bull terriers, myself! : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 10:29 AM > To: kirk@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: HAIL > > what do ya think of that O'Brien & Zell? ;D > > In a message dated 6/17/98 10:04:43 AM, kirk@XXXXXX wrote: > > < are > beautiful dogs. There are also plenty who think they're hideous > freakish > animals. There are plenty who think Buells look cool and vice versa.>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 13:03:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06062; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22198; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10169 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:02:48 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WVPOa26053 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:01:58 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Price for SEAT for my CB-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I need a new seat (or at least reupholstering). There's a guy in Georgia who is stripping his CB-1 to make it a racing bike and will sell me his seat for $100. He'll pay to ship it via UPS and will ship it to me, let me put it on the bike, make sure it fits and all that - and then if it works, send him a check. Is $100 a decent price assuming it's in pristine condition (which he claims it is)? The previous owner of my bike got a quote for $100 just to reupholster the seat.... Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 13:46:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06494; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22774; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11367 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA11409; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:42:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:42:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806171742.MAA11409@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from tam-fl3-06.ix.netcom.com(199.183.198.102) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011270; Wed Jun 17 12:41:36 1998 From: viper655@XXXXXX (Dr.Robert A. Harms) Subject: Re: Undercover Vehicles To: "Jay St. Peter" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX UNDERCOVER ?????????????? You ain't heard nuttin !!!!! In the peoples republic of St. Petersburg, FL ( actually they should rename it to Leningrad) the undercover vehicles are walkers. For real. They have undercover speed enforcement -revenue generators sitting on park benches with shorts, black loafers with socks, walkers and speed guns. It is so good to know that they have no crime whatsoever that they do not need to use these personnel for crime prevention or investigation. You wrote: > > > Got you beat. In Md, they have Ford Expeditions and Explorers. So >far, > the only ones I hve seen have been marked vehicles. > >Nope, saw an unmarked Expedition in Falls Church the other morning. >There was a fender bender and he was there directing traffic. A green >one with blue lights in the windows. VERY unmarked, didn't even have a >special license plate. All it had was a cell-phone antenna. I guess it >could be a city of falls church cop though. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 14:04:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06689; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23017; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11822 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA25155 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980617140614.0069e7b0@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 18:03:50 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:06:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: New England Trip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For anyone interested in seeing this area, here's the write-up and photos of my trip through New York and New England. http://www.greenspun.com/harry/ne0.htm Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 14:19:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06890; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23256; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12208 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA29124 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:11:53 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:16:47 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:19:22 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: DavidW@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Review - Shoei RFR -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I always thought there were "Arai heads" and "Shoei heads." For years, it seemed I had to wear nothing but Arais because Shoeis were too wide. One day on a whim I tried on a Shoei RF 700 because I liked the no-side-plate, no-tool shield design and it fit! I love it, the interior is a little "softer" than my Arais, but you know what that means. They'll replace it with a new model that won't fit my head. Joe '86 Ninja 900 >>> David Wakefield - 6/17/98 9:49 AM >>> "Shoei makes helmet for people with FAT HEADS." Actually, Shoei can't decide what size heads it's making helmets for. I've got a "medium" RF 200 that fits snugly, a "large" RF 800 that fits well, and an "extra large" X-8 that fits good too. MY HEAD ISN'T THREE DIFFERENT SIZES FOLKS! MY HAT SIZE DOESN'T CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE HELMET I WEAR! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 14:29:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06977; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23405; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12381 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA02355 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:28:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199806171828.AA02355@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:28:54 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:28:54 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:28:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:26:51 -0400 Subject: Newbie - My First Year in Review (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_0_MIME_Boundary_1191.35880ae5.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com" ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_1191.35880ae5.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com I'm forwarding the attached message from another list I subscribe to, the sabre/magna list...if this person isn't the epitome of what motorcycling is all about, I have no idea what is.. buy low and accessorize! cheers, -aki ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_1191.35880ae5.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:28:53 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Newbie - My First Year in Review (long) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980617134138.007f7b40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> TO: Aki Damme / 02USWAS >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 >Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:53:59 EDT >Reply-To: Honda Sabre and Magna Motorcycle Owners >Sender: Honda Sabre and Magna Motorcycle Owners >From: L G >Subject: Newbie - My First Year in Review (long) >To: SABMAG@XXXXXX > >I just completed my first full year of riding. I can't begin to >describe the fun I've had. I started thinking about all the items I've >purchased and knowledge I've gained and decided to write them down. This is >what happened: > >I have recently rolled 25K miles and have invested in: > >1 MSF class > >1 - 1991 CB750 Honda Nighthawk complete with optional centerstand, >gold wing(ish) barndoor windshield, backrest, luggage rack and brand >new Metzler ME33 and ME55 tires. > >and . . . > >1 - National Cycle deflector shield (replaced the barndoor thingy) >2 - front tires (1 ME33, 1 MEZ1) >4 - new rear tires (2 ME55s, 1 defective MEZ2 replaced for free by bike > shop with another MEZ2) >2 - O-ring chains >8 oil changes = 8 filters and 32 quarts of Mobil One Oil >1 set Fiamm Horns >1 piece-o-shite Fox tank bag (which I hated and replaced: see last item) >1 perforated leather AGV jacket with body armor >1 pair Dennis Kirk chaps >3 pairs of gloves (1 deer skin, 1 Tourmaster Roadrace Competition II, > 1 Tourmaster Winter Gauntlet) >1 pair Alpinestar GP Tech boots >1 Arai Signet/D Helmet >1 balaclava >1 ski neck warmer >Lots of bandanas >1 pair silk long underwear (Eddie Bauer) >1 Vance & Hines pipe >1 clutch lever >1 HRCA Membership >1 AMA Membership >2 headlight switches >1 battery >1 RKA tank bag (*love* this tank bag!) > >Things I've Learned: > >1. Scrub in new tires >2. Knubbies on tires older than 2 days are embarrassing >3. When you are stopped for speeding - cry (this only works if you're > female, and the cop's male) >4. When you are ticketed for 96 in a 55 - radar calibration in court is a > moot point >5. Speed limits suck >6. When passing a truck, swing to the opposite side of the lane and pass > quickly >7. When entering the freeway accelerate quickly to merging speed >8. Riding in group formation sucks (because their too slow) >9. Patience >10. Don't lean in corners that have cattle grates in them >11. Riding in rain sucks >12. Riding in cold sucks >13. Tank bags are a must >14. Good gear is important >15. Always be alert >16. Watch for BDCs >17. Wave to other bikers, ALL of them >18. Wear your chaps, even if it's hot >19. If you land on your head and hip after a tank slapper, they will hurt for >a long time (dirt biking) >20. when you leave the ignition switch ON from thursday until sunday, > mr. battery is NOT happy at all. (oh yeah, add a trickle charger to the >list of things I've purchased) >21. You need to trust in your bike >22. Cornering - brake before the entrance, then smoothly roll on the > throttle through the corner >23. Watch your 6 >24. Back into downward sloping parking spaces >25. ALWAYS carry the cell phone >26. Remember to put your kickstand down before getting off the bike >27. Call when you arrive home >28. Twisties rock! >29. Slabs suck >30. Downshifting for more power sucks >31. V65 roll-on power rules. :-) >32. Don't let off the brake during a high speed, tail-waggin' skid >33. Cages, although sometimes necessary, are very boring >34. a $2600 cb750 nighthawk can *spank* a $30,000+ 96-cubic-inch titan > motorcycle in a stoplight gran prix, despite costing 1/12 as much & > having less than 1/2 the engine size. >35. the cb750 nighthawk's rev limiter kicks in *waaaaay* too soon. :-( > > >When I got this bike I was told I needed to ride it for one year >so I could learn the basics, put the miles on and gain some experience >before graduating to a liter class sport bike. > >Well - Honey. . . .my year is up. . . now, about that R1. . .. .:-) > X-Sender: aki.damme@XXXXXX -- ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_1191.35880ae5.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 14:49:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07403; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23638; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13045 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p193.smart.net [206.97.127.193]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22733 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:48:33 -0400 Message-ID: <358810D9.B86AE6F5@smart.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:54:17 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This Coming Friday References: <199806171310.AA04274@portal.visa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got Friday free....count me in Kirk, Glenn, Jack and Morris (maybe). -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 14:52:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07477; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23668; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13207 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ymNJI-0005OH-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:51:52 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A4A7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New England Trip Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:18:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Great pictures! : ) > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 2:06 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New England Trip > > For anyone interested in seeing this area, here's the write-up and > photos > of my trip through New York and New England. > > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/ne0.htm > > Harry > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 15:12:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07840; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23921; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13826 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p193.smart.net [206.97.127.193]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23673; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:11:58 -0400 Message-ID: <35881656.7A36A0DA@smart.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:17:43 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New England Trip References: <3.0.1.32.19980617140614.0069e7b0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry: after seeing the pictures of your bike and the trip I have a question: you don't by chance park that BMW on Level 2 of the Bethesda Metro Parking Garage, do you:? Every day I pass that bike and think "how the hell does he get that spot every day?" If it's not you, sorry. BTW, great write-up and pictures. Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > For anyone interested in seeing this area, here's the write-up and photos > of my trip through New York and New England. > > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/ne0.htm > > Harry > Bethesda, MD -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 15:19:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07895; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24013; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14033 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14711; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: <35881697.11EBFE77@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:18:47 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New England Trip References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A4A7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Great pictures! : ) > . . . an' he rites gud to! Seriously, I really enjoyed both the story and the pictures. Very professionally done, Harry. Leon. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 2:06 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: New England Trip > > > > For anyone interested in seeing this area, here's the write-up and > > photos > > of my trip through New York and New England. > > > > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/ne0.htm > > > > Harry > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 15:27:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07979; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24152; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14215 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA12338; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980617152907.006a9504@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 19:26:40 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:29:07 -0400 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: New England Trip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35881656.7A36A0DA@smart.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980617140614.0069e7b0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:17 PM 6/17/98 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >Harry: you don't by chance park that BMW on Level 2 of the Bethesda Metro Parking Garage, do you Tom, Thanks for the kind words about the photos. If you're talking about the fenced-in area on G2 in the garage, yes, that's my bike next to the black Land Rover (unless I'm at work). I live in the building above, so the tenants get those special places. I managed to get a "space and a half" wedged between the elevator shaft and the concrete support pillars, which is perfect for me. Someone parks an old Concours in that same garage, though out in the regular part. Anybody want to claim it? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 15:29:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08017; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24167; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14265 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA29665 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:21:40 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:26:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:29:13 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Price for SEAT for my CB-1 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Call Seargent's and ask what they charge to do a stock-type cover on that bike. Their answer tells you whether 100 is too much or not. >>> - 6/17/98 1:01 PM >>> I need a new seat (or at least reupholstering). There's a guy in Georgia who is stripping his CB-1 to make it a racing bike and will sell me his seat for $100. He'll pay to ship it via UPS and will ship it to me, let me put it on the bike, make sure it fits and all that - and then if it works, send him a check. Is $100 a decent price assuming it's in pristine condition (which he claims it is)? The previous owner of my bike got a quote for $100 just to reupholster the seat.... Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 15:58:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08553; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24431; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15138 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.145]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 312 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:58:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3587D91F.336282BD@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:56:31 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: OK, who's in for Friday?? References: <2733fed3.35872654@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damn that sure sounds like something I would like to get into, but I got to work :~( Craig Blue TL WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Just trying to get an idea. > So far: > > Me > Glenn > Morris > Tom G. (maybe)....hey Tom, just call in sick! > > Anybody else? Do keep in mind that Glenn was talking about brisk > cornering.... > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 16:00:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08578; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24440; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15158 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA17025 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:59:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This Coming Friday In-Reply-To: <358810D9.B86AE6F5@smart.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > I've got Friday free....count me in Kirk, Glenn, Jack and Morris (maybe). Ok, now we've got a ZX11, a TL-S, and a GPZ11... Glenn, perhaps we can pick up some of those solid propellent rockets to help us keep up with this bunch on the straights! Was 8:00am at the I-66 rest stop good for everyone? I think I will get a 400 mile day out of this (from College Park) so it will be an all day thing for sure. I'm still willing to do a bunch of leading (and would prefer to on 250/33 at least - depending on the cornering speeds of the rest of our crowd, of course). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 16:17:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08809; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25159; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15614 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p193.smart.net [206.97.127.193]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26208; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:16:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3588258A.A8C3CA9F@smart.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:22:35 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: This Coming Friday References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wouldn't be worried about getting passed, Kirk, as I know you would just pass right back in the twisties (heard some stories of your ability). I've ridden with Glenn and he shouldn't be worried either. 8:00am is fine by me. Looking forward to a good, long ride. Kirk Roy wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > > I've got Friday free....count me in Kirk, Glenn, Jack and Morris (maybe). > > Ok, now we've got a ZX11, a TL-S, and a GPZ11... Glenn, perhaps we can > pick up some of those solid propellent rockets to help us keep up with > this bunch on the straights! -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 16:20:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08838; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25343; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15705 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA20834 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:20:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199806172020.AA20834@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:20:07 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:20:07 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:20:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:18:23 -0400 Subject: 500 86 Shadow still for sale... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME and still for sale: 86 500 Shadow (metallic red) shaftdrive, V-twin 21k miles like new, absolutely spotless. new metz's front and rear new brakes recent oil change (< 1k) and new plugs new battery includes clear windshield and saddlebags $1995...located in Herndon Va. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 16:35:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09028; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25925; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16050 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA17842 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:35:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: This Coming Friday (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:09:04 -0400 From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: 'Kirk Roy' , 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: This Coming Friday I'll be there @ 8:00 if that's good for everyone else. I doubt this will make it to the list since the rest of my mail today hasn't. It seems to be a 50/50 shot of my mail making it to the list anymore. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 17:28:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09646; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26878; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17367 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:26:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Price for SEAT for my CB-1 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 17:31:16 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Is $100 a decent price assuming it's in pristine condition (which he >claims it >is)? The previous owner of my bike got a quote for $100 just to reupholster >the seat.... A $100 reupholster job sounds pricey to me. Check Whitney's. They might have a DIY kit for rehupolstery. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 17:44:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09918; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26997; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17905 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 188 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:44:22 -0400 Message-ID: <358838AC.D9AAE7A1@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:44:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Price for SEAT for my CB-1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've had fair luck in the past with Saddleskins (?) replacement seat covers that I got mail order. $30 - $35 I think for the vinyl, you reuse the seat pan and foam. The vinyl is not stock, but looks pretty close. Just found out the seat on the Savage has a split in it, so we may be going that route again shortly. Horkster PS: I think $100 for the complete stock seat in good condition is a good deal.... George Howell wrote: > > >Is $100 a decent price assuming it's in pristine condition (which he > >claims it > >is)? The previous owner of my bike got a quote for $100 just to reupholster > >the seat.... > > A $100 reupholster job sounds pricey to me. Check Whitney's. They might > have a DIY kit for rehupolstery. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 18:36:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10368; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27305; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19251 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:35:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WOXEa04556; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6ec94884.35884480@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:34:39 EDT To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Price for SEAT for my CB-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-17 13:07:44 EDT, JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: << s $100 a decent price assuming it's in pristine condition (which he claims it is)? The previous owner of my bike got a quote for $100 just to reupholster the seat.... >> Mosely in Clinton, Md. reupholsters motorcycle seats for $60. He did my 86-VFR seat while I waited. He is in the phone book. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 18:53:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10485; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27410; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19600 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:53:00 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WHWKa17154 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <774b37c.35884888@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:51:51 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Buells was: hail Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-17 00:48:38 EDT, you write: << As for weight reduction;are you for real?A 1200cc bike weighing 475lbs wet? >> Im not necessarily talking about the total weight of the bike, rather the engines. Look at that "thing" with NO passenger seat. If that bikes weighs 450+ then there is a problem. Not to take anything from Jeanettes claim to "most sadistic seat" but I think the seat on that Buell (S2 White Lightning?) was designed, tested and approved by the Marquis De Sade himself. Jack (rather immune from ugly flames since I ride a TL, some consider to be the ugliest thing out there) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 20:03:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10996; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27804; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20709 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:02:52 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WKGUa04364 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:02:12 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:02:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: This Coming Friday (meeting time) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-17 06:53:12 EDT, you write: << If were doing the US 250 ride (which I love) lets meet at the rest area on I-66 near Manasshole. I suggest meeting no later then 8:00 or 8:30 considering this ride takes all day. Anyone have any problems with this? >> Actually that would be a problem for me. I live in ALexandria and I would have to deal with beltway traffic just to get there. Not to mention the fact that Manassas is already 45 mins away at regular travel speeds. I would love to go but I cant see leaving home at 6am. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 20:13:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11032; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27871; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20824 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:13:13 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLHWa04311 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:12:06 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <5920c6c4.35885b5a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:12:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Meeting time on Friday revisited Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Actually I was thinking about the trip out there. There rarely is any traffic on 66 West in the mornings. It just locks up from Braddock Rd to Tysons on 495. If we could push it back to 9 Id be OK. Is that a major problem for anyone? Please say its not because I really want to go!! Jack (NOT a morning person) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 21:42:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11584; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28196; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21934 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA23043 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Meeting time on Friday revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 98-06-17 21:18:13 EDT, you write: > << What about splitting the difference and going for 8:30? >> > > I guess I can try. 8:30 it is. Excellent! Ok, let's go for an 8:30 meeting time. See you all there. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 23:03:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12187; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28836; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23009 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-54-185.s185.tnt16.brd.erols.com [207.172.54.185]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03833 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806180302.XAA03833@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: Honda Hoot Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:58:20 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My buddy and I are leaving from Stafford, Va. next Tuesday afternoon for Honda Hoot. Anyone else heading out that day? We are planning to return either Saturday evening or Sunday morning. Anyone interested in riding back together? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 23:45:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12433; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29221; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23676 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:58:44 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404326832@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: This Coming Friday Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:58:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I've posted meeting at the I-66 rest area @ 8:00 or 8:30 but of course my mail only makes half the damn time to the list! > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 2:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: This Coming Friday > > I've got Friday free....count me in Kirk, Glenn, Jack and Morris (maybe). > > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 23:46:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12444; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29239; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23682 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:09:11 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C40432683A@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: This Coming Friday Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:09:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I'll be there @ 8:00 if that's good for everyone else. I doubt this will make it to the list since the rest of my mail today hasn't. It seems to be a 50/50 shot of my mail making it to the list anymore. Glenn > Ok, now we've got a ZX11, a TL-S, and a GPZ11... Glenn, perhaps we can > pick up some of those solid propellent rockets to help us keep up with > this bunch on the straights! > > Was 8:00am at the I-66 rest stop good for everyone? I think I will get a > 400 mile day out of this (from College Park) so it will be an all day > thing for sure. > > I'm still willing to do a bunch of leading (and would prefer to on 250/33 > at least - depending on the cornering speeds of the rest of our crowd, > of course). > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 23:46:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12441; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29237; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23680 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:52:30 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404326815@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'kirk@XXXXXX'" , "'mberman@XXXXXX'" , "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: This Coming Friday Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:52:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) If were doing the US 250 ride (which I love) lets meet at the rest area on I-66 near Manasshole. I suggest meeting no later then 8:00 or 8:30 considering this ride takes all day. Anyone have any problems with this? As far as WV 9 its too far out the way to be considered (IMHO). We can do WV 9 on another ride since its so close. On the NBC 4 homepage the weather looks like afternoon thundercrackers. Lets leave early! Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > That sounds like a good plan to me. Does WV 9 get in there somehow? > What's a good meeting place? I'd like to avoid 495 if possible. I am > not yet certain that I'll have Friday off, but am working dilgently on > it. Anyone heard a weather forecast? > > > > > > I wouldn't mind leading my standard day trip: VA647, VA522, US211, > > someroad, US250, WV28, US33, someotherroads. I've got to feel out the > > new Azaro I put on the rear last week. > > > > I'm in the mood for some tight corners taken briskly... > > > > Kirk > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 23:52:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12483; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29334; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23783 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-205.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.205]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id XAA13613; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980617231839.0087a560@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:18:39 -0400 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Price for SEAT for my CB-1 In-Reply-To: <358838AC.D9AAE7A1@tidalwave.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yup, that's the one Whitney sells. MET At 05:44 PM 6/17/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >I've had fair luck in the past with Saddleskins (?) replacement >seat covers that I got mail order. $30 - $35 I think for the vinyl, >you reuse the seat pan and foam. The vinyl is not stock, but >looks pretty close. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 17 23:52:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12487; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29338; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23787 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-205.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.205]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id XAA13609; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980617231729.00b09d70@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:17:29 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Price for SEAT for my CB-1 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You know, if the foam isn't terribly destroyed, you can get a reasonable, durable reupholstering kit for specific bikes from J.C. Whitney. I think it's under $30, maybe like 19.95. It's a new vinyl skin and about 1/4" of foam underneath to smooth out any irregularities in the foam you already have. It comes with full instructions for removing the old skin and installing the new one. If the foam is really deteriorated, they have another kit for that for another $10 or so. The main thing you need is your seat pan in good shape, which I presume you do. MET At 01:01 PM 6/17/98 EDT, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >I need a new seat (or at least reupholstering). There's a guy in Georgia who >is stripping his CB-1 to make it a racing bike and will sell me his seat for >$100. He'll pay to ship it via UPS and will ship it to me, let me put it on >the bike, make sure it fits and all that - and then if it works, send him a >check. > >Is $100 a decent price assuming it's in pristine condition (which he claims it >is)? The previous owner of my bike got a quote for $100 just to reupholster >the seat.... > >Marcy > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 18 01:10:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13554; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01050; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24863 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-213.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.213]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA11876; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980618011028.006a82e4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:10:28 -0400 To: "Mark E. Truelove" , JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Price for SEAT for my CB-1 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980617231729.00b09d70@wingate> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Buy the seat... it'll look better than reupholstering your's... plus the CB-1's seat is not as common in the market place.. meaning that finding a kit may be hard. -Tom At 11:17 PM 6/17/98 -0400, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > >You know, if the foam isn't terribly destroyed, you can get a reasonable, >durable reupholstering kit for specific bikes from J.C. Whitney. I think >it's under $30, maybe like 19.95. It's a new vinyl skin and about 1/4" of >foam underneath to smooth out any irregularities in the foam you already >have. It comes with full instructions for removing the old skin and >installing the new one. If the foam is really deteriorated, they have >another kit for that for another $10 or so. The main thing you need is >your seat pan in good shape, which I presume you do. > >MET > >At 01:01 PM 6/17/98 EDT, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >>I need a new seat (or at least reupholstering). There's a guy in Georgia who >>is stripping his CB-1 to make it a racing bike and will sell me his seat for >>$100. He'll pay to ship it via UPS and will ship it to me, let me put it on >>the bike, make sure it fits and all that - and then if it works, send him a >>check. >> >>Is $100 a decent price assuming it's in pristine condition (which he >claims it >>is)? The previous owner of my bike got a quote for $100 just to reupholster >>the seat.... >> >>Marcy >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ >Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ >Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs >======================================================================= > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 18 02:25:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA13955; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01806; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25896 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-213.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.213]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA08516; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980618022535.006b4ac0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:25:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: The "NEW VFR" Cc: vfrlist@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well folks the day finally came. At approximately 9pm 6/17/98 my newly rebuilt VFR made it out onto the road under it's own power!!! Yay!!! After two months of being without MY VFR it sure was great to ride it again. I'm still waiting on the 'glass tank which should be here towards the end of the week and I need to work on the jetting(along with a few other legal things...like signals and such). Here's what I've done so far: CBR F2 front suspension conversion(forks/brakes/you name it) F2 wheels (black in front/white out back) 15t countershaft sprocket 45t rear sprocket Yoshimura 4 into 1 slip-on(competition baffle) K&N Filter DynoJet Stage 2 kit(to be completed tomorrow) rebuilt rear suspension lengthened rear shock Cobalt Racing 'glass(uppers/lowers/HRC solo tail/fuel tank) Honda CBR900RR seat butchered everywhichwayfromSunday to fit(looks REALLY good and WAY comfortable...ask Jeannette!!) flush mount signals Maier clear windscreen Summit Racing Equipment street-rod license plate bolt lights(you'd have to see 'em) Next payday will see a new set of MEZ1's for the VFR. Future mods will include a Fox shock and Hindle pipe.... First riding impression: A totally different bike! The bike handles more like a sportbike should and now goes like one, too. And the sound coming from the Yosh can is SWEET!! It's loud but in a more civilized way... sounds like an Indy'fied small block Chevy motor! Nice wheelie machine, too... : ) The riding position is much different now, it's more of an aggressive posture... clip-on's are a lot lower(F2) than the originals, more at line with the tank. The RR seat is a God send.... the seat is basically the same as the HRC pad only a little bigger. The VFR is now a hundred times more comfortable than it ever was.... plus I can still use the solo tail!!! Major bonus!! More riding... Jeannette and I decided that we'd go out on a little cruise before bed being that it's been months since we've been able to ride with each other. It was so much fun!!! I lead for a while but kept the pace down to a dull roar(still trying to get used to how she feels). Then I decided to open her up... really powerful, really smooth, uh oh... where's my Sweetie? Seems that the "NEW" VFR is quite a bit faster than Jeannette's!! ; ) After riding for a few more minutes I decided it was time to trade so we pulled off into a parking lot to switch. When I took Jeannette's VFR, I noticed that the riding position was REALLY different and I just about couldn't ride it!! Her's made me feel like I was riding inside the bike(much lower because of the pad plus the higher clip-on's). Still handles like a dream though!! And is plenty powerful... but not as powerful as mine although it did feel smoother. Jeannette sure looked great on mine though!! She says it's very EVIL!!! Cool!!! I like that! Anyway... I'm going to take the VFR on a more extended trip tomorrow. I'll write more then! -Tom '86 VFR750(R) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 18 06:46:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15484; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA04035; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA28297 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:44:30 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C40432683F@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: This Coming Friday (meeting time) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:44:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Do you have a better suggestion? Were heading south and west, what's your call? I don't know where you live in Alexandria but you can always pick up the FFX county parkway and take it to I-66 where it connects at Fairlakes. Anyone know what the traffic is like on the parkway @ 0700? I can't imagine it being impossible to travel and I can't imagine it taking you 2 hours. If you live near 236 AKA Duke St. Little River Turnpike, etc. you can just take that west through Fairfax City and jump on I-66. Give me more of an idea of where you live and we can get you there. Remember we have people coming from MD too. Glenn > << If were doing the US 250 ride (which I love) lets meet at the rest area > on > I-66 near Manasshole. I suggest meeting no later then 8:00 or 8:30 > considering this ride takes all day. Anyone have any problems with this? > >> > > Actually that would be a problem for me. I live in ALexandria and I would > have to deal with beltway traffic just to get there. Not to mention the > fact > that Manassas is already 45 mins away at regular travel speeds. I would > love > to go but I cant see leaving home at 6am. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 18 07:23:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15680; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04233; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28564 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA05110 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dreamer@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA19322 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:23:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: Friday ride? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings, I'm considering riding up 66 to Skyline Drive and taking it to Rt 211 and back down tomorrow. Anyone wanna ride along? I'm no slow poke but I'm also not a gonzo rider. I'll be on my new Virago 1100 Special :) I'm in Alexandria, just off Seminary Road. Dawn -- *====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 18 08:21:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16218; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04518; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29383 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA23924; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:23:35 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Thomas W. Zell'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'vfrlist@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: The "NEW VFR" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:22:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was so much fun!!! I lead for a while but kept the pace down to a dull roar(still trying to get used to how she feels). Then I decided to open her up... You are talking about the bike? Right? Curtis >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas W. Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 2:26 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Cc: vfrlist@XXXXXX >Subject: The "NEW VFR" > >Well folks the day finally came. At approximately 9pm 6/17/98 my newly >rebuilt VFR made it out onto the road under it's own power!!! Yay!!! >After two months of being without MY VFR it sure was great to ride it >again. I'm still waiting on the 'glass tank which should be here towards >the end of the week and I need to work on the jetting(along with a few >other legal things...like signals and such). >Here's what I've done so far: > >CBR F2 front suspension conversion(forks/brakes/you name it) >F2 wheels (black in front/white out back) >15t countershaft sprocket >45t rear sprocket >Yoshimura 4 into 1 slip-on(competition baffle) >K&N Filter >DynoJet Stage 2 kit(to be completed tomorrow) >rebuilt rear suspension >lengthened rear shock >Cobalt Racing 'glass(uppers/lowers/HRC solo tail/fuel tank) >Honda CBR900RR seat butchered everywhichwayfromSunday to fit(looks REALLY >good and WAY comfortable...ask Jeannette!!) >flush mount signals >Maier clear windscreen >Summit Racing Equipment street-rod license plate bolt lights(you'd have to >see 'em) >Next payday will see a new set of MEZ1's for the VFR. > >Future mods will include a Fox shock and Hindle pipe.... > >First riding impression: >A totally different bike! The bike handles more like a sportbike should >and now goes like one, too. And the sound coming from the Yosh can is >SWEET!! It's loud but in a more civilized way... sounds like an Indy'fied >small block Chevy motor! Nice wheelie machine, too... : ) The riding >position is much different now, it's more of an aggressive posture... >clip-on's are a lot lower(F2) than the originals, more at line with the >tank. The RR seat is a God send.... the seat is basically the same as the >HRC pad only a little bigger. The VFR is now a hundred times more >comfortable than it ever was.... plus I can still use the solo tail!!! >Major bonus!! > >More riding... >Jeannette and I decided that we'd go out on a little cruise before bed >being that it's been months since we've been able to ride with each other. >It was so much fun!!! I lead for a while but kept the pace down to a dull >roar(still trying to get used to how she feels). Then I decided to open >her up... really powerful, really smooth, uh oh... where's my Sweetie? >Seems that the "NEW" VFR is quite a bit faster than Jeannette's!! ; ) >After riding for a few more minutes I decided it was time to trade so we >pulled off into a parking lot to switch. When I took Jeannette's VFR, I >noticed that the riding position was REALLY different and I just about >couldn't ride it!! Her's made me feel like I was riding inside the >bike(much lower because of the pad plus the higher clip-on's). Still >handles like a dream though!! And is plenty powerful... but not as >powerful as mine although it did feel smoother. Jeannette sure looked >great on mine though!! She says it's very EVIL!!! Cool!!! I like that! > >Anyway... I'm going to take the VFR on a more extended trip tomorrow. I'll >write more then! > >-Tom >'86 VFR750(R) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 18 09:34:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16951; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05352; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00831 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ymep0-0000nX-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:33:46 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:32:13 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A4B3@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The "NEW VFR" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:32:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain How do you say SWEEET!? Yoshi pipe. I want one. Tom's bike sounds much cooler than mine and sure as hell takes off faster, although that could be the timidity of the rider more than out & out speed... ; ) However, upon trying Tom's bike I left HIM in the dust, so...hmmm...when do I get a faster bike!? Geez, this speed stuff is addicting. One complaint: the lean angle of his bike is pretty uncomfortable for me because it puts so much pressure on my wrists. The RR seat is heaven, though! It looks like it was made for the bike. Just like Tom said, switching to his bike was a totally different animal from mine. I didn't think I'd be able to ride her at first, but she is addicting! Anyone up for a short ride Saturday?? (2-3 hours or so...) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > First riding impression: > A totally different bike! The bike handles more like a sportbike > should > and now goes like one, too. And the sound coming from the Yosh can is > SWEET!! It's loud but in a more civilized way... sounds like an > Indy'fied > small block Chevy motor! Nice wheelie machine, too... : ) The riding > position is much different now, it's more of an aggressive posture... > clip-on's are a lot lower(F2) than the originals, more at line with > the > tank. The RR seat is a God send.... the seat is basically the same as > the > HRC pad only a little bigger. The VFR is now a hundred times more > comfortable than it ever was.... plus I can still use the solo tail!!! > Major bonus!! > > -Tom > '86 VFR750(R) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 18 09:45:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17086; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05528; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01084 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ymezm-0002WE-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:44:54 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:42:53 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A4B5@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Morris Berman'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The "NEW VFR" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:43:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds good! I'll have to check with Tom for ride routes 'cause I am certainly not a ride leader! Anyone else!? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Morris Berman [SMTP:mberman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 9:39 AM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: The "NEW VFR" > > I might be up for a short Jaunt on Saturday in the early afternoon. I > > have an appt from 10:30 to 11:30 or so. > > -Mb > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 18 09:49:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17121; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05615; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01154 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA21874; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:38:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The "NEW VFR" In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D77A4B3@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I might be up for a short Jaunt on Saturday in the early afternoon. I have an appt from 10:30 to 11:30 or so. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 18 10:41:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17730; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06957; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02527 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 394; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:40:25 -0400 Message-ID: <358926D9.4DCE55E9@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:40:25 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LDRiders CC: DC Cycles List , Leon Begeman , "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: I got my Saddlesore award! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to say that I received all my goodies from the IBA for my Saddlesore 1000 ride on May 24 from Dale City, VA to Deal's Gap and back. That IronButt Association license plate frame sure looks great on the Concours! Thanks Leon and Louis (my companions on the ride) and to the IBA. You all have shown me repeatedly that there are very few limits when it comes to riding. Ride Safe! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 PS: The wife and I will be taking off next week to ride around West Virginia with Dale Coy