From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 03:18:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16276; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA19999; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00727 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:36:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Saturday ride report Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:39:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Well it was a great ride on Saturday but I made it kinda boing for the first part which I guess is the norm for me. Anyhow, Curtis and Craig showed up at my house by 8:30 and not long after we headed to Rockville to pick up Tom Mersch. After picking up Tom we headed west on 28. I was trying to find a good road a maniac had shown me about a year ago, I failed and ended up going onto New Design Road which I have yet to hear the end of. After reaching basically Fredrick we headed towards Thurmont and hit the twisty roads in and arond the state and fed parks. We ended this leg of the ride at high rock which is a nice view of southern PA and a nice look towards western MD. We left here and had a less then average lunch at a pizza place named Rocky's. During lunch we looked at the map and decieded to head towards WV/VA area. Once I got Criag in the general area of Antietam he took us on some fabulous roads. Some of these roads I had been on and others I had been on but only for a very short distance. The best of which was a road between 7 and 50 that runs along a river. I believe the road was VA 606. Anyhow, it was a fantastic road, twisty and smooth. After getting to the end of 606 we deciede to play musical bikes. I took Criags TL and Criag took Curtis's 900RR. Curtis got stuck with my slug the little 500. We hit 50 and I soon learned what more then 110 HP is like. Damn, I was doing over 100 before I knew it! We then hit 601 otherwise known as mount weather. Nice weather station, I didn't realize weather needed so much barb wire ;-). I passsed Craig a few times over the 100 mark on 601 cause I figured he would want to hear and see his bike fly by. :-)))) After hitting 7 again, we hit the next road known as Snickersville turnpike. A bit bumpy (as I had remembered) but still beautiful and fiun. Again I was loving the extra hp! At the end of Snickersville, we stopped and took a break at I believe Aldie. After talking of what a great day we had we soon realized it was getting late. Craig claimed his bike again and I took Curtis's. Curtis was still stuck on my little bike. We headed east on 50 and turned left onto VA 860. I soon realized Tom was going way too slow for me and passed him. Criag and I had a liitle more fun before parting at VA 621. Craig and Tom went west and Curtis and I headed east. I soon saw that 621 is far too straght for a 900RR. That has got to be the best bike I have been on. I heard Craig talking how smooth it was but didn't realize it until I rode it myself. Anyway, Curtis and I headed back towards Annandale and had a chain lube event before the evening was over. A great day, so much so I don't know how many miles we even racked up. I now know one thing for sure, I need a better handling bike! Thanx again guys, I had a blast once again. Lets do it again soon. Oh, and I'm still waiting for that EX250 to beat Craig! Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 03:18:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16281; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20003; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00734 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'kwiedema@XXXXXX'" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:48:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Well this must have just changed in the past couple years... I got a speeding ticket near Muncy in 93 and it still not on my record. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Howdy folks. Some time ago someone posted to the list about PA speeding > tickets not transferring to your home state. I can confirm that this is > incorrect (I live in VA). I got a ticket back in early April...the VA DMV > just sent me a letter telling me I'm a bad person 'cause I was speeding in > Pennsylvania and it's now on my record. Blah. :( > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 07:05:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17641; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21041; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.170.15] [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02727 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8D2B.3DDBFF60@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:02:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:02:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 58 TEXT Dale, Lee Ann (offspring #1) and I left with everyone at Chantilly. It was a nice ride for the most part. Dale and I were bringing up the rear as usual. We didn't make it to Old Town with everyone else ~ nature was calling there by the Plantation so we stopped at the Exxon and answered. We were getting tired and so was the kid so we thought we'll go up the Parkway and hit 495 to 95 South from Alexandria. We had heard the ambulance from there but was hoping it wasn't anyone of us. We saw the scene ~ not much to look at. Dale and I thought it was two cars with the motorcycle just stopping to help. It looked like one of the Harleys ~ but I don't know my bikes that well. It was the bike with chrome around the hard saddle bags. I hope he/she was ok! We got home around 11pm ~ Lee Ann rode with Dale to Chantilly and then onto Exxon. She was wearing the 3/4 helmet I used to wear ~ she was upset she didn't have speakers like Dale and I. From the Exxon to home, I let her wear my full face with the speakers and she rode with me. Should have made here ride with Dale. We sit the same height on my bike and she fall asleep like the can with Dale. Had to keep waking her up because she kept laying her head against mine pushing it down. All in all ~ a nice slow ride but I'm just not that fond of riding with a group in the dark ~ you can't see that well. Tracy ---------- From: thetrick@XXXXXX[SMTP:thetrick@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 6:52 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride It was a very good turnout at yesterday's ride according to Alan: 27 bikes left Chantilly, 20 bikes left Old Town, and 8 in one group (plus some others elsewhere) assembled at ride's end at Reston Town Center (plus a punch-drunk Sean Jordan, reeling from a long Saturday on the job :o). Both the section through Clifton and Old Georgetown Pike were a blast to ride. It was a bit hectic finding parking in Old Town, but most people managed to squeeze into some spaces right on King Street. All in all, a very fun trip for me and most others. Unfortunately, there was a rather serious accident on the trip. A elderly couple turned in front of a rider on the section of the George Washington Parkway between Route 1 and Mt Vernon. He was taken to the hospital in an ambulance, but apparently could feel his extremities. There were witness so I think everything will be in order legally. My information is sketchy as I was ahead of him and wasn't able to talk to much with those who know more. Tom 1980 CX500D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 07:42:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17848; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21240; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03007 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:42:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:41:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain The problem is even bigger in scope than the local area. I live in MD, got two cage tickets in Arlington (I was maniacally boiling along at 37 in a 30 zone, 30 mph being the Arlington-think limit for a superhighway), and although they didn't show up on my MD record, they did show up in Equifax (yes, the national credit report shitheads decided they needed other areas in which to be shitheaded, so they'll track driving records from all over this great land of ours). I found out about Equifax via the friendly help of Progressive, who increased my rates. I'd like to find these people's inner children, and kick their little asses. Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 9:48 PM > To: 'kwiedema@XXXXXX'; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth > > Well this must have just changed in the past couple years... I got a > speeding ticket near Muncy in 93 and it still not on my record. > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > Howdy folks. Some time ago someone posted to the list about PA speeding > > tickets not transferring to your home state. I can confirm that this is > > incorrect (I live in VA). I got a ticket back in early April...the VA > DMV > > just sent me a letter telling me I'm a bad person 'cause I was speeding > in > > Pennsylvania and it's now on my record. Blah. :( > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 08:03:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17963; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21381; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03215 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday ride report Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:02:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain It was the quintessential ride. An initial straight road to warm up the tires, mountain twists and elevation changes, we almost caught some fresh-air bumpy-nasty'ers at High Rock (hope they took pictures), lunch at a CAMS trough, Harpers Ferry Road Chestnut Hill 9 606 601 S'ville Tpk,.....give me a cigarette. Craig, if you want to try a ZX-6R or a K-1200RS on a ride, let me know and I'll drive your TL-1000 for you. Just keep an eye on me at every opportunity to bolt. Tom Mersch merscht@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 10:39 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Saturday ride report > > Well it was a great ride on Saturday but I made it kinda boing for the > first > part which I guess is the norm for me. Anyhow, Curtis and Craig showed up > at my house by 8:30 and not long after we headed to Rockville to pick up > Tom > Mersch. After picking up Tom we headed west on 28. > > I was trying to find a good road a maniac had shown me about a year ago, > I > failed and ended up going onto New Design Road which I have yet to hear > the > end of. After reaching basically Fredrick we headed towards Thurmont and > hit the twisty roads in and arond the state and fed parks. We ended this > leg of the ride at high rock which is a nice view of southern PA and a > nice > look towards western MD. We left here and had a less then average lunch > at > a pizza place named Rocky's. > > During lunch we looked at the map and decieded to head towards WV/VA area. > Once I got Criag in the general area of Antietam he took us on some > fabulous > roads. Some of these roads I had been on and others I had been on but > only > for a very short distance. The best of which was a road between 7 and 50 > that runs along a river. I believe the road was VA 606. Anyhow, it was a > fantastic road, twisty and smooth. > > After getting to the end of 606 we deciede to play musical bikes. I took > Criags TL and Criag took Curtis's 900RR. Curtis got stuck with my slug the > little 500. We hit 50 and I soon learned what more then 110 HP is like. > Damn, I was doing over 100 before I knew it! We then hit 601 otherwise > known as mount weather. Nice weather station, I didn't realize weather > needed so much barb wire ;-). I passsed Craig a few times over the 100 > mark > on 601 cause I figured he would want to hear and see his bike fly by. > :-)))) > > After hitting 7 again, we hit the next road known as Snickersville > turnpike. > A bit bumpy (as I had remembered) but still beautiful and fiun. Again I > was > loving the extra hp! > > At the end of Snickersville, we stopped and took a break at I believe > Aldie. > After talking of what a great day we had we soon realized it was getting > late. Craig claimed his bike again and I took Curtis's. Curtis was still > stuck on my little bike. We headed east on 50 and turned left onto VA > 860. > I soon realized Tom was going way too slow for me and passed him. Criag > and > I had a liitle more fun before parting at VA 621. Craig and Tom went west > and Curtis and I headed east. I soon saw that 621 is far too straght for > a > 900RR. That has got to be the best bike I have been on. I heard Craig > talking how smooth it was but didn't realize it until I rode it myself. > > Anyway, Curtis and I headed back towards Annandale and had a chain lube > event before the evening was over. > > A great day, so much so I don't know how many miles we even racked up. I > now know one thing for sure, I need a better handling bike! Thanx again > guys, I had a blast once again. Lets do it again soon. > > Oh, and I'm still waiting for that EX250 to beat Craig! > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 08:29:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18269; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21584; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03566 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:27:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:29:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Tom, your exactly correct. A few years ago I got a ticket in FL which after a years time never showed up on my VA license. I went to get insurance from State Farm which had the cheapest rate for me. While processing my request for insurance they contacted Equifax which told them about the FL ticket and then they dropped me a few days later. Equifax was even nice enough to tell the state of VA about it. Glenn > The problem is even bigger in scope than the local area. > > I live in MD, got two cage tickets in Arlington (I was maniacally boiling > along at 37 in a 30 zone, 30 mph being the Arlington-think limit for a > superhighway), and although they didn't show up on my MD record, they did > show up in Equifax (yes, the national credit report shitheads decided they > needed other areas in which to be shitheaded, so they'll track driving > records from all over this great land of ours). I found out about Equifax > via the friendly help of Progressive, who increased my rates. > > I'd like to find these people's inner children, and kick their little > asses. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 08:43:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18387; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22483; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03918 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA15257 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:42:34 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:42:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Electronics for sale Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:45:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT I'm in the process of upgrading my stuff and have 2 (count 'em) radar detercors for sale. A Valentine 1 (best in the business) for $250 and a BEL 945im (the battery-operated motorcycle beastie) for $200 Both in good condition. Why is he selling, you may ask? - He is getting a new Valentine 1 with remote audio and laser ($450.00) and would like to defray the expense. Respond here or call me at 703.287.8427 (office) or 703.450.1892 (residence) if you're interested. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 09:14:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18647; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23864; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04358 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.78.5]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601131241.RDWZ9946@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:12:41 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601091050.0071f450@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:10:50 -0400 To: "Mersch, Tom" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Y'all-- I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No tickets issued or police report written. Equifax sucks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 09:15:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18659; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23965; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04383 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980601130931.4697.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [162.130.254.35] by send1d; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 06:09:31 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Cox Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an accident. Has anyone heard any more about the rider that was involved in this accident? Is he "okay". Again, I enjoyed myself. This was my first ride with a group this large. I think it was very organized. Hats (Helmets) off to the organizer(s). Thomas 1997 FZR600 ---The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:36:01 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: NOVA ride, Saturday night. > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Well, I didn't make it to the ride, (work), but I did get off in time to go > and see who showed up at Reston Towncenter 'round midnight. Yay. Sounded like > a lot of fun, wish I had been there kids. Oh well....next time. > > -Sean Jordan > '83 VF750F > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:37:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-30 18:25:12 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > 90....unless > it was on a race track. >> > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed when > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, i.e. > left lane only for passing. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: > From: "David Hawkins" > To: , , > Cc: , > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:24:21 -0700 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > > 90....unless > > it was on a race track. >> > > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed > when > > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, > i.e. > > left lane only for passing. > > Your last sentence makes my case. People in the U.S., in general, > have no idea what lane discipline is. I have had people actually slow > down when I bore down on the left lane with no one on the right...it's > the "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > > David H. otgrouch@XXXXXX > 93T 91NA 85NA 88SC parts car 89NA parts car > IMOC stuff http://www.twosrus.com/IMOC.htm > MKII Registry http://www.twosrus.com/registry.htm > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:53:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-31 09:22:10 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > >> > That is probably the thing I dislike most about the driving habits in the U.S. > It also sets up the very dangerous habit of passing on the right which is > extremely disconcerting for me to do, but the only way to get around a lane > hog. I used to flash my lights (as is done in Europe) but it doesn't seem to > cause the person in the left lane to move over. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: thetrick@XXXXXX > X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:52:00 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It was a very good turnout at yesterday's ride according to Alan: 27 bikes > left Chantilly, 20 bikes left Old Town, and 8 in one group (plus some > others elsewhere) assembled at ride's end at Reston Town Center (plus a > punch-drunk Sean Jordan, reeling from a long Saturday on the job :o). Both > the section through Clifton and Old Georgetown Pike were a blast to ride. > It was a bit hectic finding parking in Old Town, but most people managed to > squeeze into some spaces right on King Street. All in all, a very fun trip > for me and most others. > > Unfortunately, there was a rather serious accident on the trip. A elderly > couple turned in front of a rider on the section of the George Washington > Parkway between Route 1 and Mt Vernon. He was taken to the hospital in an > ambulance, but apparently could feel his extremities. There were witness > so I think everything will be in order legally. My information is sketchy > as I was ahead of him and wasn't able to talk to much with those who know > more. > > Tom > 1980 CX500D > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:56:03 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Content-type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="part0_896655363_boundary" > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Take a look, and email LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX if you'd be interested. > > Sean... > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Content-disposition: inline > > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX > To: JJenX69@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, PaulonWeb@XXXXXX, Skipngstns@XXXXXX, > StrmWatch@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, DCBurbs@XXXXXX, > Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, ChrystyD@XXXXXX, Yoggggi@XXXXXX, > ACAUGHY490@XXXXXX, MIC11111@XXXXXX, BSPposse@XXXXXX, AvgJayne@XXXXXX, > JBarr62995@XXXXXX, Jade28@XXXXXX, ArJay96@XXXXXX, SAT8300@XXXXXX, > BonePhd@XXXXXX, RDTXN@XXXXXX, Mark1651@XXXXXX, SlikRick91@XXXXXX > Subject: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:39:57 EDT > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a > Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And > the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, > === message truncated === _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 09:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19089; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25179; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05466 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 304 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3572B2BD.ACC6CA43@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:55:09 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: NOVA_MGR Saturday ride, the rider is ok! :) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank goodness! I'm glad he's ok! Dale Novamgr@XXXXXX wrote: > > NORTHERN VIRGINIA MOTORCYCLE GROUP RIDES (NOVA MGR) > > Dear fellow motorcycle enthusiasts, > <> > > > Bill Huson did send an Email to NOVA MGR today. It appears he is alright > after his accident, for the most part, and he had the following to say: > >Subj: oops... > >Date: 98-05-31 01:17:59 EDT > >From: bhuson@XXXXXX (William Huson) > >Reply-to: bhuson@XXXXXX > >To: Novamgr@XXXXXX > > > >Nothing like a splat to take the glow off a ride. Sorry, guys & gals. > >Hope y`all finished the ride... > > > >Anyone know where my bike went? Or should I say what's left of it. I > >need to retrieve my cell phone from the bags. > > > >And one note: Anyone who thinks wearing helmet is dumb is welcome to > >drop by my house - 5001 Wills Lane, Annandale - and take a good look at > >Shoei I had my head. It be crunched, folks. Methinks $250 is way cheaper > >than a new brain... > > > >Bill Huson > > I second Bill's feelings on helmet use. I hope you are able to ride with us > again soon, Bill. Let's all send Bill our best! > > <> > > >THAT’S ALL FOR NOW > I hope to see you on one of the upcoming rides. > > Thanks, > Alan R. Wheat > Send email to: Novamgr@XXXXXX > Group rides web site: http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html --------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.40]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 264 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:00:00 -0400 Received: from Novamgr@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 0ZLNa02999; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:45:52 +2000 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <2b4e64b0.357207d3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:45:52 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Herndon Police Poker Run Invitation and Update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 NORTHERN VIRGINIA MOTORCYCLE GROUP RIDES (NOVA MGR) Dear fellow motorcycle enthusiasts, >WHAT’S IN THIS E-MAIL? Here are the different topics you will find in this Email: >Invitation to the Herndon Police Department Poker Run this Saturday, June 6th. >Update >Bulletin Board (Updated 5/31/98) >If you are new to NOVA MGR >About NOVA MGR >For more information about NOVA MGR >How to stop receiving our announcements >INVITATION TO THE HERNDON POLICE DEPARTMENT POKER RUN THIS SATURDAY, JUNE 6th. Saturday, the Herndon Police Department will be holding their annual poker run to benefit Northern Virginia Hospice and Herndon F.O.P. Lodge 64. This will be the third one in a row for me and I can tell you it's my favorite poker run. Not only is the route typically good, but your $15 entry fee (pay at registration) includes a great lunch, poker hand, door prize ticket, and refreshments! Lone Star Steakhouse is expected to be fixing up their great burgers again this year, according to my source. The registration is at the Herndon Police Department from 8:30am to 11am. The last bike must return from the route to the Herndon Police Department by 3pm. The rain date would be the next day. If you are interested in attending with the NOVA MGR group, see below for the meeting location. For those of you who don't know what a poker run is, send me an Email at NOVAMGR@XXXXXX and I will give you a description. Be sure to foward this Email to a friend! As always, please arrive with a full tank of gas. Location - Meet for breakfast and pre-ride meeting at Wendy's Restaurant in front of Capital Expo Center, Chantilly. Time - 8:30am for breakfast. Group leaves after 8:50am riders meeting. Directions to the meeting place: 1) From Cap. Beltway take 66 WEST for ROUGHLY 15 minutes. 2) Take route 28 NORTH (towards Dulles Airport). 3) At the 5th light (I think) on 28, turn right on to Willard Road. 4) First intersection (no light), turn left into Capital Expo Center. 5) There will be a Wendy's there. Look for the bikes (unless you're first or very late). Note: There are two Wendy's in Chantilly, this is the one by Capital Expo Center off Willard Road. >UPDATE Thanks to all of you who have taken the time to attend one of our rides. Those of you who were fortunate enough to join the Night Riders event enjoyed the company of 27 motorcycles, which made parking in Old Town rather interesting. I can say that we get a lot of looks while we are going down the road. Thanks for the help from the volunteers who assisted in seeing the large group through the route. Send me your thoughts on the ride. I would be particularly interested in knowing what you thought of the views of the Potomac. Did anyone notice the cruise ships and the monuments of DC? On another note, the night was not mishap free for one rider, but it turned out to be an excellent ride for everyone else. Bill Huson did send an Email to NOVA MGR today. It appears he is alright after his accident, for the most part, and he had the following to say: >Subj: oops... >Date: 98-05-31 01:17:59 EDT >From: bhuson@XXXXXX (William Huson) >Reply-to: bhuson@XXXXXX >To: Novamgr@XXXXXX > >Nothing like a splat to take the glow off a ride. Sorry, guys & gals. >Hope y`all finished the ride... > >Anyone know where my bike went? Or should I say what's left of it. I >need to retrieve my cell phone from the bags. > >And one note: Anyone who thinks wearing helmet is dumb is welcome to >drop by my house - 5001 Wills Lane, Annandale - and take a good look at >Shoei I had my head. It be crunched, folks. Methinks $250 is way cheaper >than a new brain... > >Bill Huson I second Bill's feelings on helmet use. I hope you are able to ride with us again soon, Bill. Let's all send Bill our best! I have one request for those of you who are repeat riders or would like to lead some bikes. With the growing number of bikes showing up for our rides, we could really use some volunteers to divide the group into smaller and more manageable sections. I would like for the group to typically ride as a whole, but when traffic lights and cars break up the line, we need people who know the route and can help those in back rejoin the front. I prefer only to stop where it is safe for all riders to regroup. The shoulder of the road has had to do in the past, but a parking lot further ahead is always better. With secondary leaders helping separated bikes, we don't have to stop just because there is a change in direction because the rest of the group will find its way. So Email me if you want to volunteer to help out on any NOVA MGR ride. >BULLETIN BOARD (Updated 5/31/98) Fast Lane Cycles Dynojet Dynamometer Horsepower Shootout: Sunday, June 14 from 11 to 5. $15 to enter. 5 classes to enter. Trophy for highest horsepower and FREE jet kit for the lowest. > Fast Lane Cycles > 4215-B Walney Road > Chantilly, VA 20151 > 703.818.8890 > www.fastlanecycles.com =================================== Manassas Honda Rider's Club: Meetings held first Tuesday of each month at 7:30pm. You'll find them at the Old Country Buffet in Manassas. All motorcyclists can join. Their next poker run is August 8th at Manassas Honda. Registration is 9am to 11am and costs just $5.00. All bikes welcome. =================================== Hooters (Richmond) Bike Show: Saturday, June 13th 7912 W. Broad st., Richmond Registration 11am Show is 12pm - 4pm Registration if FREE!! Registered participants get 10% off food purchases. Live Band XL102 Diner live on the Air Photos with the Hooters Girls Plenty of Vendors Awards for all Classes (even Foreign) Proceeds benefit Special Olympics =================================== Gold Wing for Sale: Back injury forces sale of well-cared for immaculate, quick* '86 Aspencade (with many unmounted extras), custom 8.5 foot Cycle Shield (portable ride-in garage) and all mechanical history. All saddlebag refelctors lighted with turn signals and back-off brake lights on top trunk. All driving and lower lights independently wired to switches. Stereo, intercom and CB in helmet! Must see the Sweet Savage (members.aol.com/Winger1200/index.html) on site to truly appreciate - $6,500 (obo to good home only.) *(broken in hard!) Email Winger1200@XXXXXX =================================== Wanted: Inexpensive dirt bike 125cc or smaller that runs. Does not matter what year or what make. Email JoeVR5@XXXXXX. Will pick up. Manassas VA =================================== Starter Bike Wanted: Looking for a good starter bike for a petite woman. She doesn't want to spend more than a couple hundred until she can decide that driving as opposed to riding is her thing!! If anyone on your circuit has any info that might help...have them contact me: Zeusmonstr@XXXXXX. =================================== For Sale: 1994 Suzuki RF600R, Red, 11k miles, Corbin seat, New D204 tires, service manual, oil filters, etc. $3800 Leesburg, VA, email bnorton@XXXXXX =================================== Hooters Poker Run on June 6th: Registration from 8-10am. Starts and finishes at Hooters of Manassas. $10 per hand or 3 hands for $25. Breakfast will be available from 8-10am. All proceeds to benefit the VFW Post 1503 Relief Fund. =================================== Harley-Davidson for Sale: 1957 Straight Leg Frame, Wideglide Front Forks, 1960 Pan Engine (Stroked to 88.5 cubic inches), 12 Volt Singlefire Ignition, SU "Eliminator" Carburetor. Asking $10,500. Call Bill at 804-737-6146 or send Email to Cycle503@XXXXXX =================================== Help Needed: My centerstand bracket on my Kawasaki 750 Vulcan broke off of the frame. The bike is 5 years old. I have never heard of this happening to a bike before and wanted to know if anyone has had this happen to them on any make, model of bike. Also, I spoke to 2 dealers neither of which said they could fix it short of replacing the whole frame. Does anyone know of a good welder who thinks they may be able to weld the bracket back on? Also, Kawasaki said since it is out of warranty they can't help me. I feel that this shouldn't happen no matter how old the bike is, and does anyone know of some higher ups in Kawasaki that I could contact to get some compensation for this. Thank You, Steve Berto SBERTO@XXXXXX (703) 998-7600 ext 168 (8:30 - 5:30) >IF YOU ARE NEW TO NOVA MGR Welcome to those of you who recently joined our mailing list of ride notifications. I'm sure you will enjoy the activities we have planned throughout the year. We have approximately four hundred email addresses on the group's invitation list. We are not a club and we don't collect dues. We do ride with clubs sometimes and they may have a small fee for their events, but I will always inform you in advance of what your expenses may be on our rides if anything other than fuel. >ABOUT NOVA MGR All rides take place regardless of temperature, but if it is raining at the scheduled start of the ride then it will be canceled. We are not a "sport bike club" nor are we a "touring group", but the pace of the group is usually dictated by who shows up for a given ride. If we have wide variety of bikes for the ride, we may break into two or more groups with the faster riders leaving first. If the pace of a particular ride is too slow for you, feel free to go on ahead and wait for us at the next stop. If the pace of the group is too fast, we usually stop or slow before any major changes in direction to allow for the rear to catch up. Whatever the case may be, please don’t try to keep up with a particularly fast rider if you are not comfortable with that pace. We won’t leave you behind to get lost. All riders should feel welcome to attend any of our rides. The point of these group rides is to have stress-free day trips with others who aren’t committed to anything but enjoying their motorcycles. Hopefully, we will not have any politics or bias on the rides. Just come to ride and have fun. Please feel free to forward this email on to anyone who might want these announcements. Such persons don’t even need email if you want to print it out for them. If you have received this email from someone else and you want to be on the direct list yourself, send an email to Novamgr@XXXXXX. >FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT NOVA MGR Check out the web site at http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html for more information on the group rides. You'll find a calendar of upcoming rides as well as links to other motorcycle sites. >HOW TO STOP RECEIVING OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS If you prefer not to receive future announcements and invitations, please send a message to Novamgr@XXXXXX. >THAT’S ALL FOR NOW I hope to see you on one of the upcoming rides. Thanks, Alan R. Wheat Send email to: Novamgr@XXXXXX Group rides web site: http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html --------------0EE57849B782BE3F3683E50C-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 10:18:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19326; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25580; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06141 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA07669; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA00902; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:18:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601141803.EOQG4622@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Charles L. Rosen" CC: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dead Battery X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601141803.EOQG4622@[166.41.242.141]> >Well, I have finished recuperating from cervical spine surgery, had to bump >start my bike after 3 months of no riding (I know, I should have taken the >battery out, but friends kept promising to exercise her, and then bailed >out. I did have stabil in the tank.) Any how, I tried riding again today, >dead battery once again. As I am on call tonight, I had to take the truck >for fear of leaving the hospital on foot in the AM instead of bike. > >Anyhow, should I just buy a new battery? Any recs? or a week of trickle >charging? > >This on top of being incapacitated during mar-may ( the best riding time in >DC has me pissed off. > >Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > >-charles Charles, You didn't say how old the battery was before being stored. It might be a good Idea to just get a new one. Have it load tested at a shop to see that it is good or bad first. Sorry to hear about your hiatus from riding. Glad to hear you're doing ok. Now, it's time to ride again :) Todd ---------------------------------- Charles L. Rosen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Neurological Surgery George Washington University 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20037 page: (202) 994-3321 email: crosen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 10:35:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19499; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26106; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06570 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.57] (unverified [207.226.128.57]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 23:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Fender Bender club Date: Sun, 31 May 98 23:16:57 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Joined the fender kickers club this afternoon. Was coming home from parents house on the BMW (put on my Aeroflow headlight protector and the run'n'lites in the rear). Idiot tried to run me over once or maybe he just didn't see me. Tried to pass him. Same thing happened. Third time is the charm. After the third time, he was next to me at a stop light. Kicked him with my right foot. Now, here's the tricky part... I was at my parents house. They have a gravel driveway. The bits of gravel get stuck in the tread in my shoe. He gassed it as soon as I kicked. Gravel scrapes down side of car. I take off, he follows. Next stop light. Conversation goes like this: Him: "Look what you did to my car" Me: "Fuck you, you could have killed me" "I couldn't see you" "I saw your pointy head through the window. You didn't even look for me" "What about my car?" "Take me to court. If you can get my plate number. We'll both tell the judge that you tried to kill me" Dumbass (about 18 years old or so) reaches down to get pen and paper. Light goes green. I take off like a shot. I know the timing of the lights in that area, and know that if I give my bike full throttle, I can just squeeze into the next three lights before they go red (top speed never over 75. Lights are pretty close) Last I saw of the guy. I'm not proud of what I did, and consider myself quite lucky that he didn't have a gun. It's not something I'd do again (if I were thinking) But damn if I'm not glad there was some gravel in the tread of my boot. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 10:36:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19509; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26160; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06586 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA06285; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA03483; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA08677; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:22 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA08674; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:21 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8D2F.E87E42D0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:35:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:30:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 5 TEXT, 41 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Did anyone see the races at Summit Point this weekend? Did Collin and Brian get out and tear up the track?? - Ursulina begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C8.`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06 `P`.````S@<&``$` M!P`>`#,``0`U`0$@@ ,`#@```,X'!@`!``<`(P`U``$`/ $!"8 !`"$```!" M-#,Q.#,Y-$4S1#E$,3$Q03%"13 P.# U1D,Q1$-&0@`]!P$-@ 0``@````(` M`@`!!( !`"H```!$:60@86YY;VYE('-E92!T:&4@``B "" &``````# ````````1@`````VA0`` M`0````$`````````'@`)@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````-X4```$````! 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M1U]-4T; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.47] (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:12:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 11:16:46 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "Mersch, Tom" , "'DC Cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Add me to the list. Had a phone bill problem when I was in college. Paid it a few months late, but Equifax, even though they had received the information that it was paid didn't remove it until two years later when I was denied a loan because of their erroneous report. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:15:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20018; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27503; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07548 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA2523 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:07:53 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:12:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:15:13 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thomas_k_cox@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Many people insist that it is their god-given right to drive like a moron. Was in Germany a few years ago with a client and he had obtained an E500, at the time Benz's bad-ass sport sedan. He insisted on cruising the left lane of the Autobahn because "this car goes 155mph," making me nervous as hell. There we were, trundling along at 200kph (120 for us) in the passing lane when I looked back and saw a bike approaching, headlight flashing. I said, "you should move over, this guy wants to pass," and what does the genius do? He floors it. "This car does 155." By this time, the biker (on a ZX11) is on the rear bumper and he's livid, honking his horn and shaking his fist. "Move over, he's right up our ass," I remark as diplomatically as possible. He finally gets with the program and our German friend goes by but not before issuing the universal salute. My client looks as though he's suffering from shrinky-dink, so maybe this will help: "Mark, I know this car does 155. But that bike does 175." I think we started getting passed by Trabant drivers after that little episode. Cars still suck, Joe 86 Ninja >>> Thomas Cox - 6/1/98 9:09 AM >>> All, I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an accident. Has anyone heard any more about the rider that was involved in this accident? Is he "okay". Again, I enjoyed myself. This was my first ride with a group this large. I think it was very organized. Hats (Helmets) off to the organizer(s). Thomas 1997 FZR600 ---The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:36:01 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: NOVA ride, Saturday night. > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Well, I didn't make it to the ride, (work), but I did get off in time to go > and see who showed up at Reston Towncenter 'round midnight. Yay. Sounded like > a lot of fun, wish I had been there kids. Oh well....next time. > > -Sean Jordan > '83 VF750F > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:37:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-30 18:25:12 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > 90....unless > it was on a race track. >> > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed when > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, i.e. > left lane only for passing. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: > From: "David Hawkins" > To: , , > Cc: , > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:24:21 -0700 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > << I personally would not want to be in traffic that was moving > > 90....unless > > it was on a race track. >> > > 150-160 KPH is really the norm (many go much fsater) on the autobahns, > > autostradas and autoroutes etc. It is quite comfortable at that speed > when > > everyone is cruising at that speed and people maintain lane discipline, > i.e. > > left lane only for passing. > > Your last sentence makes my case. People in the U.S., in general, > have no idea what lane discipline is. I have had people actually slow > down when I bore down on the left lane with no one on the right...it's > the "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > > David H. otgrouch@XXXXXX > 93T 91NA 85NA 88SC parts car 89NA parts car > IMOC stuff http://www.twosrus.com/IMOC.htm > MKII Registry http://www.twosrus.com/registry.htm > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:53:36 EDT > To: otgrouch@XXXXXX, popr@XXXXXX, kwiedema@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding Ticket Myth > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-05-31 09:22:10 EDT, otgrouch@XXXXXX writes: > > << "I'm going 5 over the limit and have every right to cruise in the left > lane" mentality that kills a lot of folks over here. > >> > That is probably the thing I dislike most about the driving habits in the U.S. > It also sets up the very dangerous habit of passing on the right which is > extremely disconcerting for me to do, but the only way to get around a lane > hog. I used to flash my lights (as is done in Europe) but it doesn't seem to > cause the person in the left lane to move over. > > Ciao, > > Fred > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: thetrick@XXXXXX > X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:52:00 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: NOVA_MGR Saturday Ride > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It was a very good turnout at yesterday's ride according to Alan: 27 bikes > left Chantilly, 20 bikes left Old Town, and 8 in one group (plus some > others elsewhere) assembled at ride's end at Reston Town Center (plus a > punch-drunk Sean Jordan, reeling from a long Saturday on the job :o). Both > the section through Clifton and Old Georgetown Pike were a blast to ride. > It was a bit hectic finding parking in Old Town, but most people managed to > squeeze into some spaces right on King Street. All in all, a very fun trip > for me and most others. > > Unfortunately, there was a rather serious accident on the trip. A elderly > couple turned in front of a rider on the section of the George Washington > Parkway between Route 1 and Mt Vernon. He was taken to the hospital in an > ambulance, but apparently could feel his extremities. There were witness > so I think everything will be in order legally. My information is sketchy > as I was ahead of him and wasn't able to talk to much with those who know > more. > > Tom > 1980 CX500D > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:56:03 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Content-type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="part0_896655363_boundary" > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Take a look, and email LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX if you'd be interested. > > Sean... > > --part0_896655363_boundary > Content-ID: <0_896655363@XXXXXX> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Content-disposition: inline > > From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX > To: JJenX69@XXXXXX, BillCBMWMC@XXXXXX, PaulonWeb@XXXXXX, Skipngstns@XXXXXX, > StrmWatch@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, DCBurbs@XXXXXX, > Bkrbill13x@XXXXXX, ChrystyD@XXXXXX, Yoggggi@XXXXXX, > ACAUGHY490@XXXXXX, MIC11111@XXXXXX, BSPposse@XXXXXX, AvgJayne@XXXXXX, > JBarr62995@XXXXXX, Jade28@XXXXXX, ArJay96@XXXXXX, SAT8300@XXXXXX, > BonePhd@XXXXXX, RDTXN@XXXXXX, Mark1651@XXXXXX, SlikRick91@XXXXXX > Subject: *New Maryland Bike Group* > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:39:57 EDT > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a > Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And > the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, > === message truncated === _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:19:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20100; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27640; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07652 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.130]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601151831.ZFR20489@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:18:31 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601111641.00725750@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:16:41 -0400 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ursulina-- Collin was out for the school session, but I'd left by then. Alan Lapp was supposed to ride Brians bike sunday. God it was hot and humid sunday! I'm glad Krista and I did our race watching on Saturday! I want to know if anybody showed up to get the tickets I left under a rock!?!? see ya Kevin At 07:30 AM 6/1/98 -0700, you wrote: >Did anyone see the races at Summit Point this weekend? 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:33:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20318; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28102; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08005 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA10239; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA27832; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:33:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Allen Wheat , Thomas Cox CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> >All, >I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I >noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as >though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am >saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an >accident. Just a reminder to everyone who rides in a group, especially a large group. The group is not a single vehicle. The bikes that make the group are. This means that another vehicle must be given right of way when signalling to do so regardless that you may be riding in a large group. >From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue the ride. Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the accident? Allen? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 11:48:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20519; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28690; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08469 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA22130 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA18102 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:48:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601154808.BWVR20960@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:48:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Summit Point/Collin/Heat X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601154808.BWVR20960@[166.41.242.141]> Spent Saturday and Sunday in corner 1 and 10 this weekend. Both days were very hot, though Sunday was a tad more breezy. The racing was CCS, a fairly good crop of racers. Highlights included no new track records (current is David Yakov at 1:17:??), Brian Beemisterfer(SP, totally mangled) on his new Buell Lightning not running very well, Rick Beggs pulls a victory wheely on cool down lap up the straights at 8 and gets it too far up....and over =:0, a flagger in turn one calls for red flag then pulls his shoulder from the socket waving it =:0, lot's of bikini clad sweeties ;-). Collin Fagen showed up a little late on Saturday working feverishly to finish the tech work to his GSXR750. Apparently he did since he participated in race school and got to race once on Sunday. I'll leave the details he experienced to him, but I will say that during the mock racing (for students) on Saturday afternoon, he was turning 1:28:50 just before the race was cancelled. Oh yeah, he was leading out front. DC-Cycles faces seen at the track: Leon Begeman and his daughter, Kevin Thomas and fiance (Christa?), Brian McCoy working corners and watching his RS125 being raced by ex-lister Alan Lapp, Collin Fagen, Steve Harris (though I never got a chance to come over and say Hi). Anyone else I just missed? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:00:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20665; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29250; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08881 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBGIa14282 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f2de42b.3572d001@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:00 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: two more aerostich suits for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Hello, I just got two one-piece Roadcrafter suits, and I'll be posting them on my web site in a few hours. Both are in excellent condition and not the least bit faded. The first one is size 36S, red with blue ballistic patches. The Aerostich size chart say this size is for people 5'4", 120-140 lbs and 30" waist. I think you could be a few inches taller and it would still be ok. The second is size 44, red with gray ballistic patches. Size chart says 5'11", 165-200, 38" waist. I think 165-lb people would probably find this suit too roomy. prices: 36S - $400 44 - $425 If you look on my web site, you will see these items priced slightly higher. The prices mentioned above apply if you come pick up the suits. Don't forget this is a legal biz and I have to collect 5% sales tax. thanks, Colleen 301/589-6549 http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:05:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20733; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29408; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09081 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.121]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601160520.VBBT9946@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:05:20 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601120328.007266fc@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:03:28 -0400 To: jaynik@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jay-- Sorry, no I meant that Collin was going to ride in the school session. When I spoke to him, he was on the way to the classroom. Kevin At 11:54 AM 6/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Kevin, > >What do you mean Collin was out for the school session? Is that bad? >Or do you mean that he was in the middle of school? > > >KL>Collin was out for the school session, but I'd left by then. Alan Lapp was >KL>supposed to ride Brians bike sunday. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:20:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20910; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00580; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09454 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08183 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011616.AA08183@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:16:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:14:57 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: AWheat@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thomas_k_cox@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. He's fine, I'm just going to email him and see how sore he is... I was two bikes back from him (and in his line) when he t-boned the car...very scary there for awhile...there was no way he could of avoided the car either..they just literally cut right in front of him less than 10 feet in front of him..he locked up his brakes and I locked up mine..then he hit just behind the rear passenger tire, big dent in the late model Caprice (or similiar tub like cage), and then sailed over the rear trunk of the car..when he landed, he hit his head first, helmet has a huge gouge in the helmet just above the right eyebrow..he landed head first with his feet almost straight up, then rolled (his body was shaped like a forward slash "/" with is head at the lower left portion of the slash if you get what I mean), then he rolled about four or five times and ended up facing up... he was coherent and, like a true biker, wanted a cigarette..he seemed more shook up than seriously hurt thank god, but some passersby in a cage (two cute girls btw), called 911 for us. There was a fair amount of traffic on the road for that time in the evening (around 9:30-10:00) and I was suprised to see how many people stopped and asked us if we needed any help or if 911 had been called. The bike, a late model HD, I believe an Ultra Classic or similiar model, is pretty toasted..the entire front end is crushed and the rim was shattered all over the road...I wouldn't be suprised if it's written off as a total loss..too bad too since it was a really pretty bike...when he hit the car, I nearly hit him and had to suddenly veer around him while he rolled right past me as I went around the crushed bike and cage...good thing we weren't going any faster than about 30mph...! ...I'm sure that Bill is very happy that he was wearing a helmet! ...Incidently, after we were sure that Bill was ok and being taken care of by the EMS folks (Fairfaxs finest and the EMS crew showed up less than 5 min after the 911 call...big kudos for them!), I asked the old lady who was passenger in the cage that hit him how she was feeling, she, and (I guess) her husband (who was driving, both seemed to be in the 80's btw) seemed to be in a daze and didn't really seem to understand what they just did...when I asked her if she was ok, she just said, "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... -gawd... incidently, I'm thinking about taking a rain check on any future evening runs...it's dangerous enough during the daytime but nighttime driving takes on a whole new dimension of it's own..we were in formation, with *lots* of headlights (Bill had THREE) and STILL some brain dead cager tried to kill one of us...on the way home on Rt 7, I was almost run off the road, not once, but TWICE by cagers that didn't even look to see if there was anyone in the lane next to them..very scary....THEN before THAT, I was on Rt 1 heading up towards 495 when I saw this cage come zooming up behind me and lay on his horn (we were in heavy traffic going about 30mph), he moves in the left lane (I was in the center lane), and rolls down his passenger window and starts yelling at me! I could make out something about "GODDAMN motorcycles are all pieces of shit and are bastards that shouldn't be allowed on the road and if I didn't get off HIS road, he was going to run me off the road to teach me a lesson!" Now mind you that I had been in the center lane for atleast 5 miles going the flow of traffic so I know I didn't cut him off earlier or anything like that..I vaguely remember him pulling out of a parking lot about a mile before he zoomed up behind me...after hurling those lovely remarks at me, he punched it and damn near ran three cars off the road racing down the road...all the while yelling at the top of his lungs...looked like a young Army guy.. complete nut case..... -aki > > >All, > >I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I > >noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as > >though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am > >saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an > >accident. > > Just a reminder to everyone who rides in a group, especially a large > group. The group is not a single vehicle. The bikes that make the > group are. This means that another vehicle must be given right of > way when signalling to do so regardless that you may be riding in a > large group. > > From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just > a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being > experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to > get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue > the ride. > > Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the > accident? Allen? > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:37:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21119; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01337; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10072 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806011637.MAA10072@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id L7XFA2NK; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:48:07 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:34:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride In-Reply-To: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:22 AM 6/1/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >>From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just >a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being >experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to >get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue >the ride. I make a point of letting cars in when necessary and did several times on Saturday night... but I did notice some strange behavior. When we were nearing the end of the GW Parkway, there were signs indicating that the right lane was ending due to construction. The whole group was already in the left lane, and I was riding last at that point. A limo that was behind me in the left lane proceeded to move over into the right lane (which was ending) and pass me on the right. He then passed the next two bikes, ran out of lane, signaled and moved back over, separating the three of us from the rest of the group. I guess he didn't like driving behind me, or maybe wanted to get a better look at the other bikes?!? Then I wound up getting stuck behind a teeny car (Geo Metro type) for quite a while on Old Georgetown Pike. Ugh! Once he finally turned off I was able to catch up with a rider who had hung back from the group (to wait for me I guess), and we went on some cool twisty roads as a shortcut to Reston Towncenter. Almost beat the rest of the group there! At that point I was feeling pretty tired so I headed home. Definitely an enjoyable ride (apart from the accident). >Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the >accident? Allen? >From what I heard, he was riding in the middle of the group of motorcycles (or at least he wasn't the first in line). An elderly couple was waiting to pull out, and waited for at least one bike to go by. They then pulled out directly in front of the gentleman on the Harley, who hit the car broadside near the back wheel on the driver's side. The front of his bike was demolished, and there was quite a bit of damage to the car. He apparently flew over the car, and landed on his head. Thank god he was wearing a real helmet! The next bike following him was in the left part of the lane, and was able to swerve around the car. Apparently the next bike in line was in the right part (staggered formation) and barely missed being involved in the accident as well. All of this is second hand as I was in the first group and we didn't find out about the accident until we got to Old Town. I'm glad that the rider wasn't too badly hurt... definitely a sobering experience. I had been riding behind him for the beginning part of the ride, and it made me realize that it could have easily been me... I will continue to be extra wary of any cars waiting to make a turn in front of me! Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:57:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21333; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01905; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from widgetworks.com (known homer.widgetworks.com [204.71.245.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10682 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by widgetworks.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA28090; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:56:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Johansson Message-Id: <199806011656.MAA28090@widgetworks.com> Subject: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:56:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee (LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX) writes: > As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a > Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And > the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, > sexual or bike preference) are quite a distance from Annapolis. Are you sure you aren't giving in to stereotypes? I've never found a a rider group where I wasn't welcome. Just show up wherever you see bikes parked and start chatting people up. An even better place to meet people is at rallies. Fortunately, I'm surrounded by a lot of riders: five of the nine people in my company ride (3 male and 2 female); my girlfriend rides; several of my clients ride; and I live in Fells Pt. which is Baltimore's bike gathering spot. Curiously enough, a lot of casual rides I take are split quite close to 50% male 50% female and often there are often as many bike manufacturers represented as bikes. Last year I made a pretty good habit of posting all of my day-long or weekend-long rides to the balt-cycles list in hopes of soliciting additional riders. I've been a bit lax this year, but that's been mostly because I just haven't had my act together recently. Peter Johansson peter@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 12:58:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21358; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01925; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10724 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p204.smart.net [206.97.127.204]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12436; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3572DE40.D8D14A50@smart.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:00:49 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 References: <199806011616.AA08183@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: > bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. [snip] > "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by > the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... This makes me sick. Are you telling us that she tried to blame the accident on Bill? There must be X number of witnesses who gave statements to the contrary, correct? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:00:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21406; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01980; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10802 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA19309; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3572DAE1.A31C48DE@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:46:25 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: klthomas@XXXXXX CC: jaynik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? References: <3.0.3.32.19980601120328.007266fc@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since Collin is a Track Day today, he won't be able to defend himself. As was mentioned, he did very well on Saturday, leading the rest of the students around the track at the 'race' at the end of school. Saturday Collin complained about his tires sliding around in the corners, he was riding street compound Dunlop D207s. On Sunday he bought a pair of used tires and put them on the bike. The tires changed the bike, instead of sliding through the corners, he said it did very well. However on the main straight the head shake was so bad he couldn't get into top gear. His first comment after the race was "Whose idea was it to change tires anyway?" Because his bike doesn't have bodywork, he was only eligible for one race on Sunday. I think it was 'unlimited sportbike' or some other class that meant there were a lot of big bikes and very good riders out there. As a new rider, Collin was gridded as the last bike in the third (last) wave of riders. There was a lot of 'agricultural' racing, probably due to the number of riders, but perhaps also because this was a mixed field of experts, amateurs and blue-shirts. Collin finished as the last rider that didn't get lapped. In addition to the 3 or more bikes that went off the track, there were at least 6 that did get lapped. Leon. klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > > Jay-- > > Sorry, no I meant that Collin was going to ride in the school session. > When I spoke to him, he was on the way to the classroom. > > Kevin > > At 11:54 AM 6/1/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Kevin, > > > >What do you mean Collin was out for the school session? Is that bad? > >Or do you mean that he was in the middle of school? > > > > > >KL>Collin was out for the school session, but I'd left by then. Alan Lapp was > >KL>supposed to ride Brians bike sunday. > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:07:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21471; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02179; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11041 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:35 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA11016 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011707.AA11016@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:07:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:06:08 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: tgimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3572DE40.D8D14A50@smart.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME quite honestly, I don't even think she (or he) had any idea what happened...he was walking around taking the license plate numbers off the backs of our bikes..bad idea since we certainly aren't going to testify *for* him! I was suprised that after he hit Bill, he (or she) didn't even come over to see if he was ok! They were more concerned about the dent in *their* car! makes me sick to think about it personally... -aki > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: > > bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. > > [snip] > > > "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by > > the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... > > This makes me sick. > > Are you telling us that she tried to blame the accident on Bill? There must > be X number of witnesses who gave statements to the contrary, correct? > > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:40:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21921; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03925; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12034 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A7183130292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:38:32 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601130528.00e93a80@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:05:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 In-Reply-To: <19980601130931.4697.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:09 AM 6/1/98 -0700, Thomas Cox wrote: >All, >I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I >noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as >though many went out of their way to break our "formation". Large groups of motorcycles can easily be viewed as just rolling roadblocks. When I ride I prefer groups no larger than 5 at a time, unless the entire procession is under police escort and police monitoring (escort up front, with some officers running sweep to keep the cars at bay). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:39:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21919; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03924; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12032 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A7193130292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:38:33 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601131152.00e93a80@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:11:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:16 PM 5/31/98 -0400, you wrote: >Joined the fender kickers club this afternoon. ... >"I couldn't see you" > >"I saw your pointy head through the window. You didn't even look for me" ... Some days life sucks. A friend was trying to turn left off a 2-lane road when a girl in a sport utility vehicle decided to cross the center line and pass him as he made his turn. She hit is front wheel, fortunately not him or his whole bike at once. The bitch stopped, and now the insurance companies and lawyers are involved. 4 broken ribs, unknown leg damage, mild road rash, much pain. He's off work for 2 weeks, and the docs expect he'll be out of action for 8-10 months. They're not ALL trying to kill us, it just feels that way. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 13:40:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21920; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03928; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12033 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A71A3130292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:38:34 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601134021.010c62c0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:40:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 In-Reply-To: <199806011616.AA08183@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > ... on Rt 7, I was almost run off the road, not once, but TWICE by >cagers that didn't even look to see if there was anyone in the >lane next to them..very scary.... I've gotten so I just won't ride beside a car driver. I'll pass them, but if I can't get clear in front due to traffic, then I brake until I'm behind his rear bumper. I realize this puts me in their blind spot, but at least I can't get hit if he decides to change lanes without looking. Then I get a chance to set off the horns and try to give him a heart attack. >... when I saw this cage come zooming up behind >me and lay on his horn (we were in heavy traffic going about 30mph), >he moves in the left lane (I was in the center lane), and rolls >down his passenger window and starts yelling at me! I could make >out something about "GODDAMN motorcycles are all pieces of shit and >are bastards that shouldn't be allowed on the road and if I didn't >get off HIS road, he was going to run me off the road to teach me >a lesson!" Too bad you couldn't get his tag no. and turn him in. Fairfax County police will take reports of aggressive drivers and send out a warning (at least that's what I read in a newspaper article). All we can do is get the hell out of the way - there's just no better way to deal with people like that. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:07:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22312; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04752; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12914 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA25824; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma025761; Mon, 1 Jun 98 14:06:42 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Sat Night Ride Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:07:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anita Lauro writes: >A limo that was behind >me in the left lane proceeded to move over into the right lane (which was >ending) and pass me on the right. He then passed the next two bikes, ran >out of lane, signaled and moved back over, separating the three of us from >the rest of the group. I guess he didn't like driving behind me, or maybe >wanted to get a better look at the other bikes?!? Actually, I doubt it has much to do with the bikes... this is standard behavior around here. Every night, I come off the Dulles Toll Road, in the left lane because I'm heading for 66 east. Every night, people pull into the merge lane off the airport access road, which is about the end (since it's only there to let people merge from the access road onto the connector between the toll road, beltway, and 66) and try to get a car length ahead. Usually when they do this, it's very easy to pull up past them... so their attempt to pass in a merge lane leaves them farther back than they would have been if they'd just stayed put. Aggression is no substitute for brains. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:08:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22347; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04909; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12972 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADD53550292; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:07:17 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601135239.00ea57b0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:52:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* In-Reply-To: <199806011656.MAA28090@widgetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Lee (LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX) writes: > >> As a fairly new biker, I quickly realized that a woman who doesn't own a >> Harley, doesn't have many choices when it comes to finding riding groups. And >> the clubs that are non-denominational (don't represent a religious, political, >> sexual or bike preference) are quite a distance from Annapolis. Yow! Sounds like you're around some real neanderthals. I recommend trying: 1. the Honda Sport Touring Assoc. (who don't care if you ride a Honda or not, about a third of the members are non-Honda). There's chapters in every state, and the Maryland head live and works in Annapolis. 2. Potomac Area Road Riders - an old group from Virginia, has people all over. 3. Women On Wheels - women only. There's several Maryland chapters. 4. CAMS - a spin-off from dc-cycles, who have only two rules-- 1. No drinking and riding. 2. No other rules. 5. dc-cycles-- this list has generated quite a lot of interest and riding recently. I've ridden with all the groups above, and aside from some deserved criticism of bikes that get more miles in pickup trucks than on their own wheels, everyone has been pretty laid back about who you are and what you ride. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:09:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22370; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05013; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12994 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:23:01 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 046AB3572CB5E003-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 046AB3572CB5E003 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <046AB3572CB5E003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: No List E-mail since Friday MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <046AB3572CB5E003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Is the DC Cycles list server working? I have received no e-mail from the list since Friday. My office tells me our system is working properly so any problem must be on the other end. Anyone else with a similar problem? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:15:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22427; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05379; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13158 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA14754 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011814.AA14754@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:12:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride To: 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806011637.MAA10072@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > At 11:22 AM 6/1/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > > >Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the > >accident? Allen? > > From what I heard, he was riding in the middle of the group of motorcycles > (or at least he wasn't the first in line). ...actually he was third from last..I was bringing up the rear... > An elderly couple was waiting > to pull out, and waited for at least one bike to go by. They then pulled > out directly in front of the gentleman on the Harley, who hit the car > broadside near the back wheel on the driver's side. ...the elderly couple was oncoming, they wanted to make a left hand turn crossing over our lane, they didn't wait for *anyone*, they just cut right in front of Bill...he t-boned it just behind the passengers rear wheel. >The front of his bike > was demolished, and there was quite a bit of damage to the car. He > apparently flew over the car, and landed on his head. Thank god he was > wearing a real helmet! ..actually the damage wasn't that bad on the cage..just the rear fender well was punched in..probably less than $1k of damage to the cage. The bike was another story... >The next bike following him was in the left part of > the lane, and was able to swerve around the car. Apparently the next bike > in line was in the right part (staggered formation) and barely missed being > involved in the accident as well. ..that was me..I wasn't as concerned about hitting the cage as I was running over Bill... > All of this is second hand as I was in > the first group and we didn't find out about the accident until we got to > Old Town. I'm glad that the rider wasn't too badly hurt... definitely a > sobering experience. I had been riding behind him for the beginning part > of the ride, and it made me realize that it could have easily been me... I > will continue to be extra wary of any cars waiting to make a turn in front > of me! amen! -aki > > > X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:18:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22489; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05538; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (known jefferson.patriot.net [206.151.9.249]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13275 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bhuson.patriot.net (th-2-5.patriot.net [206.29.51.57]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03127 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:15:21 -0400 From: William Huson Reply-To: bhuson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I'm alive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, y`all Joe gave me this addy. I'm the rider who went for an asphalt luge without a sled after the geezer-mobile made a leftie in front of my face. T-Bone city. Methinks my Harley is totaled, but my old body is still wiggling. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:23:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22569; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05975; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13498 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 269; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3572F19C.A94F539F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:23:24 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: horns References: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> <3.0.1.32.19980601134021.010c62c0@norloff.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > >I realize this puts me in their blind spot, but at least > I can't get hit if he decides to change lanes without looking. Then I get > a chance to set off the horns and try to give him a heart attack. -- Hahahaha! I'm glad I wasn't sipping from my water bottle when I was reading this, or I'd a snorted water all over the monitor and keyboard when I busted out laughing. :-) Oh well, I guess I needed a humor break there. Thanks! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:33:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22703; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06505; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14083 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806011832.OAA14083@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id L7XFA2RT; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:43:19 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:30:06 -0400 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806011814.AA14754@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <199806011637.MAA10072@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:12 PM 6/1/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: >...the elderly couple was oncoming, they wanted to make a left >hand turn crossing over our lane, they didn't wait for *anyone*, >they just cut right in front of Bill...he t-boned it just behind >the passengers rear wheel. Okay, this makes much more sense than my version! Unfortunately I had already sent my "second hand not very accurate version" before I got Aki's message. Anyhow, I remember that in my MSF course they said that the famous "car turns left in front of motorcycle" is the cause of a large percentage of car/motorcycle accidents. No kidding! Whether I'm in my car or on my motorcycle, I always try to err on the side of caution when turning in front of traffic, or pulling out. Sometimes it is really hard to judge just how fast that oncoming traffic is going! Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:41:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22838; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07091; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14494 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27961; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806011840.OAA27961@meretrix.com> To: "Burger, Donald " cc: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: Re: No List E-mail since Friday In-reply-to: Your message of "01 Jun 1998 11:40:14 EDT." <046AB3572CB5E003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:40:00 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Is the DC Cycles list server working? I have received no e-mail from the >list since Friday. My office tells me our system is working properly so >any problem must be on the other end. Anyone else with a similar >problem? Messages to our 'dot.gov' ("dot dot gov?") subscribers are not getting through because smtp connections to 'usdotmh.dot.gov' are timing out. You might want to go bang on the sysadmin types at your end. KAA25581 1237 Mon Jun 1 10:18 dc-cycles-request (Deferred: Connection timed out with usdotmh.dot.gov.) Jeffrey.Denny@XXXXXX Donald.Burger@XXXXXX [tove ~ 4]telnet usdotmh.dot.gov 25 Trying 152.119.25.10 ... telnet: connect: Connection timed out telnet> quit -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 14:49:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22991; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07593; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14996 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 376; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:49:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3572F7A2.8BDD7C3C@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:49:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm alive References: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another opportunity real soon! Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be good to you. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 William Huson wrote: > > Hello, y`all > > Joe gave me this addy. I'm the rider who went for an asphalt luge > without a sled after the geezer-mobile made a leftie in front of my > face. T-Bone city. > > Methinks my Harley is totaled, but my old body is still wiggling. > > Bill -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:04:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23216; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08432; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15643 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p183.smart.net [206.97.127.183]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16933; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3572FB75.81408271@smart.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:05:26 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm alive References: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> <3572F7A2.8BDD7C3C@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to it is bound to make very few friends on a jury. Dale Horstman wrote: > Bill, > > I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the > chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another > opportunity real soon! > > Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. > I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be > good to you. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:14:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23363; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08762; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15987 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA28170; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12815; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601191348.UCV11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: klthomas@XXXXXX, jaynik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601191348.UCV11142@[166.41.242.141]> Just a few minor corrections to an otherwise accurate account of events concerning Collin Fagens debut as a LICENSED racer: >Since Collin is a Track Day today, he won't be able to defend himself. >As was mentioned, he did very well on Saturday, leading the rest of the >students around the track at the 'race' at the end of school. > >Saturday Collin complained about his tires sliding around in the >corners, he was riding street compound Dunlop D207s. On Sunday he >bought a pair of used tires and put them on the bike. He was running D204 Street and bought a pair of D207s for $50 >The tires changed >the bike, instead of sliding through the corners, he said it did very >well. However on the main straight the head shake was so bad he >couldn't get into top gear. His first comment after the race was "Whose >idea was it to change tires anyway?" > >Because his bike doesn't have bodywork, he was only eligible for one >race on Sunday. I think it was 'unlimited sportbike' or some other >class that meant there were a lot of big bikes and very good riders out >there. Superbike Amateur - though there were some experts racing this event. >As a new rider, Collin was gridded as the last bike in the third (last) >wave of riders. There was a lot of 'agricultural' racing, probably due >to the number of riders, but perhaps also because this was a mixed field >of experts, amateurs and blue-shirts. Collin finished as the last rider >that didn't get lapped. In addition to the 3 or more bikes that went >off the track, there were at least 6 that did get lapped. He and one other guy in the last wave, gridded last. He was able to pass eight other riders successfully out of close to 40 bikes on track, I believe there were 6 in his grid. He did fairly well considering the obstacles - traffic, tank slap at speed, no tuning to bike at all. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:14:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23367; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08758; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15979 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA28125; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA25529; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:13:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601191343.UCN11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:13:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601191343.UCN11142@[166.41.242.141]> I believe you mentioned in an earlier post that this was an elderly couple. They certainly sounded rather righteous about the encounter, as if they could not possibly be in the wrong. Isn't that the way for some older more stubborn types? Did the police show up? Was the driver charged with failure to yeild right of way? The exhasparation of losing your ride will be worse if you can't force this old fart to pay-up. In any case, I'm glad to hear you're ok Bill. Todd -------------------------- quite honestly, I don't even think she (or he) had any idea what happened...he was walking around taking the license plate numbers off the backs of our bikes..bad idea since we certainly aren't going to testify *for* him! I was suprised that after he hit Bill, he (or she) didn't even come over to see if he was ok! They were more concerned about the dent in *their* car! makes me sick to think about it personally... -aki > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: > > bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. > > [snip] > > > "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by > > the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... > > This makes me sick. > > Are you telling us that she tried to blame the accident on Bill? There must > be X number of witnesses who gave statements to the contrary, correct? > > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:20:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23440; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08916; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16105 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yga7e-0004Fe-01; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:19:55 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , Dale Horstman Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:19:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, I agree, perhaps these people need to be taken off the roads and this is just the way to do it... eye exam, anyone!!?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:05 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his > automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to > it > is bound to make very few friends on a jury. > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the > > chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another > > opportunity real soon! > > > > Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. > > I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be > > good to you. > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:36:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23669; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09582; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16723 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA18835 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:33:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011933.AA18835@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:33:15 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:33:15 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:33:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:30:31 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601191343.UCN11142@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > > I believe you mentioned in an earlier post that this was an elderly > couple. They certainly sounded rather righteous about the encounter, > as if they could not possibly be in the wrong. Isn't that the way > for some older more stubborn types? ..actually,I didn't get the impression that they were trying to blame anyone else for the accident..it was like they both were turbo senile and didn't even have a clue as to what happened...the driver (the husband I guess), was walking around with a notepad writing down motorcycle plate numbers and mumbling to himself while his wife,SO, main-wrinkly squeeze(?), kinda just stared off into outer space... > > Did the police show up? Was the driver charged with failure to yeild > right of way? ..the EMS and Police showed up REAL fast..couldn't have been more than 5 minutes tops....I was impressed...and the cop said that sadly he could probably only cite the cager for failing to yield...personally attempted murder or atleast attempted manslaughter would of been nice... >The exhasparation of losing your ride will be worse > if you can't force this old fart to pay-up. In any case, I'm glad > to hear you're ok Bill. ...no kidding...good thing Bill was on a hog and not a small dirt bike...the big bike took much of the brunt of the hit... -aki > > Todd > > -------------------------- > > quite honestly, I don't even think she (or he) had any idea > what happened...he was walking around taking the license plate > numbers off the backs of our bikes..bad idea since we certainly > aren't going to testify *for* him! I was suprised that after he > hit Bill, he (or she) didn't even come over to see if he was ok! > They were more concerned about the dent in *their* car! > > makes me sick to think about it personally... > > > > -aki > > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Bill Husen was the motorcyclist that was hit...his address is: > > > bhuson@XXXXXX..I'm sure he'd like some well wishing email.. > > > > [snip] > > > > > "I think he, (pointing at Bill lying on the ground surrounded by > > > the EMS people) may have given ME a stiff neck!"... > > > > This makes me sick. > > > > Are you telling us that she tried to blame the accident on Bill? There > must > > be X number of witnesses who gave statements to the contrary, correct? > > > > > > -- > > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:45:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23832; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10238; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17079 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:45:05 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA19309 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:44:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199806011944.AA19309@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:44:45 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:44:45 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:44:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:43:08 -0400 Subject: oh man I'm riding my cage tonight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME oh man..in light of all the near misses I've had last weekend, I just read my horoscope...think I'll be taking the cage anywhere I go tonight! *************************** * Horoscope for Capricorn * *************************** The Sun is in Gemini and the Moon is in Virgo. This signals a rather awkward situation to find yourself in. Travel beckons, but work insists. If you're doing business with foreigners, be careful. You need to watch out for errors in communications. Unintentionally, one of you might say something you don't really mean. If you wonder at all, ask for clarification. Also, be careful when you're driving. People will be doing all sorts of strange things on the highways. Best to send out for what you need. You'll get more accomplished. It'll be hard enough to concentrate if you stay in one place. If you must travel, allow extra time and watch where you're going. ....scary huh? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:49:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23898; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10434; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17161 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A54F1250274; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:47:27 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601154903.00eaab90@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:49:03 -0400 To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I'm alive In-Reply-To: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:15 PM 6/1/98 -0400, William Huson wrote: >Hello, y`all > >Joe gave me this addy. I'm the rider who went for an asphalt luge >without a sled after the geezer-mobile made a leftie in front of my >face. T-Bone city. > >Methinks my Harley is totaled, but my old body is still wiggling. > >Bill Good! Thank heavens for good protective gear. Hope you can do something about the geezer - sounds like he's not fit to drive on public roads. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 15:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23961; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10618; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17355 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA04031; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:55:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA04452; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601195508.DPKA20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:55:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: klthomas@XXXXXX CC: "Mersch, Tom" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601195508.DPKA20960@[166.41.242.141]> Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially when no violation of law has been proven. Todd >Y'all-- > >I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >tickets issued or police report written. > >Equifax sucks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 16:14:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24277; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12029; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17891 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:14:50 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPSAa02614; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <82aa5a50.35730ad5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:11:00 EDT To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX Cc: merscht@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Equifax Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Perhaps a HUGE petition to the Better Business Bureau?? Or a class-action lawsuit...... Marcy In a message dated 98-06-01 16:00:20 EDT, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially when no violation of law has been proven. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 16:27:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24433; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12319; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18149 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA11942; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09227; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:25:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980601202511.DVBT20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:25:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: oh man I'm riding my cage tonight X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980601202511.DVBT20960@[166.41.242.141]> >oh man..in light of all the near misses I've had last weekend, >I just read my horoscope...think I'll be taking the cage anywhere >I go tonight! > > *************************** > * Horoscope for Capricorn * > *************************** > > The Sun is in Gemini and the Moon is in Virgo. This signals a rather awkward > situation to find yourself in. Travel beckons, but work insists. If you're >doing > >....scary huh? > >-aki What it says? or that you actually believe it? ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 17:29:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25632; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15346; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20093 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id RAA12484; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma012393; Mon, 1 Jun 98 17:27:17 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain All the info Equifax is collecting is public records (accident reports, traffic citations, etc.), so I think you have no hope of stopping them. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:47 PM To: klthomas@XXXXXX Cc: Mersch, Tom; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Equifax Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially when no violation of law has been proven. Todd >Y'all-- > >I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >tickets issued or police report written. > >Equifax sucks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 17:45:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26229; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16466; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21168 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01065; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:45:07 -0400 Message-ID: <357320C3.EA59424C@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:44:35 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: bhuson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm alive References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill is certainly entitled to collect adequate compensation for his time, damage and injuries. Given that there were plenty of witnesses, I would hope this could be done swiftly. As an aspiring old fart, I'd prefer that no one be 'taken off the roads' If living in a jungle is the price to pay until then, so be it. I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads open to anyone anytime for any reason. Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Yes, I agree, perhaps these people need to be taken off the roads and > this is just the way to do it... > eye exam, anyone!!?? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:05 PM > > To: Dale Horstman > > Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > > > Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his > > automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to > > it > > is bound to make very few friends on a jury. > > > > -- > > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 17:58:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26806; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16864; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21919 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:58:35 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.78.198]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601215803.BXGC9946@rude>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:58:03 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980601175614.006dbc50@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:56:14 -0400 To: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Equifax Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601195508.DPKA20960@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Todd Charges and judgements (tickets issued or insurance claims paid) are of public record, so anyone is welcome to it. When you apply for credit you give permission to check you out and to repot problems. You can dispute the facts involved if there is a discrepancy, same as on your credit report, but that's it. Just another fact of the info age. later Kevin At 03:47 PM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote: > > >Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? >The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially >when no violation of law has been proven. > >Todd > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 18:13:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27246; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17393; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22604 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA29691; Mon, 1 Jun 98 18:12:53 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 v2.11); 1 Jun 98 15:13:39 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 v2.10); 1 Jun 98 15:13:23 -0800 Received: from vrc_cad (157.187.160.193) by BAYVIEW (Mercury/32 v2.11); 1 Jun 98 15:13:14 -0800 From: "Bruce Dimon, Living Large in the Land of Lakes and Lattes!" To: "Michael Troutman" , Subject: RE: A gift for the list Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:12:33 -0700 Message-Id: <000401bd8daa$6006b150$c1a0bb9d@vrc_cad.verticalreality> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980528145403.00a0b430@www.troutman.org> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > I thought it would be a good idea to have an area where we could throw a > file or picture, then send the link to everyone on the list for > distribution. > > So, here is my gift to all of you. > > Point netscape (or fetch or ftp) to : > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/ Okay, I'll get the ball rolling. Anybody who wants to see a "sporty" Gold Wing. I put mine on the FTP site. Let's see some more pictures. How about some Deal's Gap pictures? Bruce Breipfjvrp Dimon, Sr. Programmer/Analyst, Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division dimon@XXXXXX ARD, Bayview, Idaho North Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 18:14:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27264; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17422; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22620 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id SAA18276 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip214.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.111.214) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma018272; Mon, 1 Jun 98 18:12:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980601181228.008ad3c0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:12:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: MIKE Subject: Fwd: Honda 800 Interceptor and larger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just thought Id pass this picture along of a CB600 not sold in the US. Its called the Honda Hornet. Anyone know why it isnt sold in the US, or if it can be imported? I am looking at Nighthawks, but this is exactly what I would be interested in :-) ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg >In a message dated 98-05-31 22:10:38 EDT, JGSHOOTER writes: > ><< > I have not ridden the 800 but have not heard much bad about it... It's the >nicest Interceptor built is about the all I've heard about it.........We >talked about the CB1300 before.... it's a pig for it's size....Their are a >lot better bikes out there for the money.. They just destroy it in every >aspect..(HP to weight / Handling / Price...etc)..On the other hand the CB1000 >is a super nice ride..... Anyone out there every rode a CB1100F? If so please >feel me in on it..... > > As for the cruisers.. think about it... There is two major markets here in >the US.. the rockets and the cruisers and that's about it. The only true >standard presently being built is the NH..... There is a few Cafe' Racers >style bikes being built, but they are far & few between when it comes to being >on the street, (Bandit's, Seca's,, exc..). KAW's Zephers (Another very good >bike) fell on their face and Kaw has not released a standard in the US since >but has built a few nice ones...All the major makers have made Standards and >released them in other countries Canada--UK etc,,, Enclosed is a picture of a >600 Honda Hornet (NOT SOLD IN THE U.S.) It's a CBR600F3 with out the dressing >and a better seating position {a standard}.... Nice uh??? It's all supply and >demand thing, WE the members of this group mostly enjoy Standards but most >people in the US ride rockets or cruisers,,,,, So we can enjoy the NH's the >CR or the older bikes or wait for the few standard that slip through the >cracks and are intorduced here in the US... > > My 2 Cents worth > > Becareful and enjoy > John ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org "THE PRESIDENT HAS KEPT ALL OF THE PROMISES HE INTENDED TO KEEP." - Clinton aide George Stephanopolous speaking on "Larry King Live" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 18:26:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27423; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17841; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22910 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:26:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id QRFJa08707; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <79209d41.35732a62@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:25:37 EDT To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm alive Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-01 17:49:20 EDT, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << As an aspiring old fart, I'd prefer that no one be 'taken off the roads' If living in a jungle is the price to pay until then, so be it. >> Yeah, as an old fart (46) it's bad enough to be gawked at (by non- motocyclists) when I take my helmet off when stopping with the 86-VFR-750 (motorcyclists know it's a geezer bike) or gawked at by sportbikers when stopping with the 98-ZX-9R. (Only the bike gets gawked (and laughed) at when I ride the Commando, particularly when I kick start it.) But now you want to take me off the road? Just kidding, actually the younger guys are great, a young fellow on a Ducati 900SS actually asked me if he was going to fast for me on a ride recently, and I had the ZX. Didn't have the heart to tell him I almost hit him from behind on the first few corners until I got the pace right. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 20:09:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28508; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19551; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25138 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29336; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02759 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980601200515.008b5210@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:05:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Summit Point/Collin/Heat In-Reply-To: <19980601154808.BWVR20960@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:38 AM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >his RS125 being raced by ex-lister Alan Lapp, Collin Fagen, Steve Harris >(though I never got a chance to come over and say Hi). Team Charm had a mixed weekend. Rich's EX-0-Zilla got sorted out, and is running very fast. Rich peeled some solid '26's on sunday & took 2 seconds. My bike on the other hand gave me fits, running intermitantly on 1 clyinder. I ended up pulling out of two races. Even worse, friday night we stay up to about 3:30 getting blasted. Up at 7 to do the school hung over. It was not a fun day. Oh well, at least the weather was nice. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 22:17:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29696; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21079; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27439 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-245.s245.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.245]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17746; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3573610B.C1B3645F@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 22:18:51 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Balt-cycles CC: bhawkins@XXXXXX, jnewman@XXXXXX Subject: My Summit Racing (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll try to keep the Oklahoma talking disease brief since I'm thoroughly exhausted tonight. After Thursday and Friday night both staying up past 3 am getting the race bike ready, I headed out to the track, knowing that I still had to pull the kickstand off the bike...then found out it would have been nice to have on during the rider school... Personally, I didn't get a lot out of the riding part of the skid pad session of the school, but the things the instructors said were very good. The classroom section was excellent. The afternoon: Here I am on a bike that I've never riden before (hadn't even been on a bike in 2.5 months other than a quick trip to the parts store on Ursulinas bike), which still has Dunlop D204 street compound tires on them. I was very herky jerky in the slower parade laps because I kept trying to keep a very constant flowing pace through the corners, but my other classmates kept tapping the brakes.. :( For the first two practive starts (drag races to turn 1 :)), I took a commanding hole shot from my grid position on the middle of the second row. The third start was for the rider school race with 28 other riders. I bogged ever so slightly on the start, and was second into one less than a foot from Chris ?? (forgot his last name...very nice guy), and I blew by him hard at the back of 2. He wasn't far behind until we got to the turn in for turn 3. He braked farily hard, but I just rolled off and downshifted through the turn and blasted away. From then on, I had the track to myself. I was losing a lot of speed in 7, because I was apexing in the wrong spot. I knew I was going through it in the wrong way, but the right way feels very unnatural (more on that later). The only time the bike would get very upset was coming up the hill out of 9.... there are some moderate bumps right where you accelerate hard up the hill and I'd get moderate to heavy tank slappers!! On the 3rd lap, I started lapping people!! woohoo! Over the next lap, I passed all but a small handful of the other school riders. Then they red flagged the race (to see if we respond to the flag correctly) and my day was done. Actually, after the red flag, we backed way off pace, and at first I thought my brakes were failing, because I suddenly could not get enough strength to pull the brakes!! WOW! Adrenalin is a wonderful drug. My forearms were extremely tight for several more hours. All said, the grin on my face went past the ears on both sides :) and I was pumped for several more hours after the race. Sunday came along and I skipped the first practive session. Partly so I could sleep an extra hour, partly because I didn't want to go out when the track might still be slick. The 2nd practice for my group I went out and had a great time...I fell in behind a couple other guys and tried to work on better lines. Eventually I decided I needed to pass them and did, with a monster slide in turn 3 just after passing them in the previous straight!! My best lap time that anyone caught was a rough 1:28:?? Which isn't too bad for a new rider I hear. In the pits, I tell myself that these tires won't handle my race and track day tomorrow, so I should find some real race tires. I found a deal on a set of D207 GP compounds that the rider told me had 8 laps on them at Atlanta...they looked in very good shape, and he only wanted $50 for the set (they were worth that apiece!). I rushed to get them mounted (side note: Jack of Sport Cycle is awsome...fast tire change at $10/tire!!)...Even faster rush to get them back on the bike. Jack told me that 28 psi was the pressure of the day. Like a fool, I didn't double check to insure that he put in that much air. I also mounted them in a very big hurry, and didn't get to check my alignment too closely. :( Since I paid my fees fairly late in the morning, I was gridded dead last at the back of the 2nd grid, 41 of 41 for Heavyweight Superbike Amateur (the only race a 750cc machine was eligible for with amateur plates). (the experts those guys saw out there just took a lap or so to scrub in tires I believe...and they gridded waaay at the back.). I got a great start and passed almost all of the 2nd wave when all of a sudden, the front of my bike starts lashing back and forth violently!! Through turns 1-5 I was passing people left and right, but as I got on the main straight, I would start getting the violent slappers again just into partial throttle 5th gear... So as I tooled down the front straight at 95-100 mph, most everyone I passed motored on by. This went on for several laps..I'd pass in the tight stuff and just rock, then they would just motor right by me laughing down the straight. At the end of the race, I ended up placing 30 of 41.... I was so disheartened because I just knew I could have place much much higher had I been able to get up to speed and go 150 down the straight. That said, a couple of people got a few lap times on me and I managed at least one 1:28 even though I was going much slower in the straights!!! That means the corners were getting better!! Before he left for home, I asked Al Lap for anything he could think of that might help my tank slap problems...(other than get a steering damper...I already planned on that). After checking head bearings (good), he asked about rear tire alignment..doh!! rushed the tire change and forgot to check..sure enough, it was turned to the right a fair amount... also checked tire pressures... They were supposed to be 28 on both. They were actually 25.5 and 25 :( Lesson learned: never trust someone else with your race bike/life unless it's your pit partner. We also found that my front rebound was near 0 and the forks were topping out after compression. For track day, I realigned the tire, raised the pressure to 29 rear, 28 front (to put a tad more weight bias to the front), and increased the rebound setting a bit. The bike was much more stable. It still had a slight unsteadiness when I hit the big bumps on the main straights, so I couldn't go 100% wide open, but I could get in the ballpark. By the faster sessions in the afternoon, I had hooked up with some of the senior control riders and they were leading me through the course on more or less a one on one race lesson as we blasted all the traffic (but only in the straights :( we weren't aloud to pass in the turns, although later the control rider told me to do it if I was following him like that). For the last session, I jumped into the big bike A group. For the first couple of laps, I was eating tailpipe on the lead control rider on an R1. He was going fairly slow through corners, but blasting the straights... He never looked back to realize that two of us were eating him up and he wasn't keeping as good a pace as the other instructors.... So I backed off in the main straigt, and I was passing the start/finish line as they went into turn one...NOW!! I had the track to myself :) It only took one lap to catch them again in turn 2!!!.... Over the course of the last several laps of the laps, I had two separate people clock me at 1:24 lap times!!!!!! That was beyond my wildest dreams... On the last two laps, I ended up dragging bike AND body parts that I never imagined (without crashing :) ) They had short orange cones marking the apexes of each turn. The one in turn 3 was sitting perfectly on top of the rumple strips about 18 inches or so off the track..... Mysteriously, somehow it managed to get knocked over ;-) My knee slapped through it and the grass off track. It hit harder than I would have expected though..ouch... Through 5, I really tagged the ground HARD all the way up my left leg....need to check the leathers to see how they look, cause more than just the puck slip through the turns! My session ended when I came around turn 10 and the bike surged 4 or 5 times then died.... :( Heard mysterious clicking noises when I tried to start it in the pits.... Turned out to be that the ground wire on the battery backed its screw out and fell off :( I had the time of my life this past weekend. And like many have said, there is NOTHING like the track..no matter how fast you think you are on the street.... Oh yeah, Randy Renfrow passed me just as we apexed turn 10, but I passed him right back (he was on a little Aprillia though :)) Also forgot to mention that I raced the bike naked this weekend (no bodywork that is... so just get those disgusting thoughts out of your head he he he) I've named the bike "The Ugly Duckling" Pics soon to follow tomorrow or next day. Thank you so much to all the listers that showed up with support over the weekend and today. It really means a lot to me and Brian (even though his bike was acting up and giving him a tough time). The next race weekend is July 11th....Hopefully everyone can make it out :) (assuming I can scrounge enough for race fees AND a steering damper!!!!) Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 23:32:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00419; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22003; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28627 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm8-235.his.com (pm8-235.his.com [205.252.121.235]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07249 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: 1 Jun 98 23:26:04 -0400 Subject: Re: I'm alive From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Jun 1, 1998 5:44 PM, Leon Begeman wrote: >As an aspiring old fart, I'd prefer that no one be 'taken off the >roads' If living in a jungle is the price to pay until then, so be it. > >I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old >people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the >earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be >taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads >open to anyone anytime for any reason. > That might be going a tad far, and to be fair you would probably agree to some limits there; e.g., one's motor skills (or lack thereof) do not enable one to operate a vehicle safely, one's eyesight just ain't there, or, one has proven through past accumulation of nasty offences (with no show of remorse such as sitting through dull classes intended to educate the offender) that one cannot be trusted not to endanger others' lives while driving a vehicle. Here's to bringing some civility to the jungle and doing something to limit incidents such as were just recounted on this list. Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 23:49:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00566; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22122; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28883 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.41] (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:47:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fender Bender club Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 23:51:54 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >They're not ALL trying to kill us, it just feels that way. Like hell they aren't. Since I was about 10 years old, my father has been beating that mantra into my head. Saved my butt a few times. The only rational way to ride a bike in traffic is to go under the most paranoid delusion concerning 'them'. BTW, think it's bad on motorcyclists? I've been out with SWMBO a few times on pedal bikes. That is ten times worse. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 23:49:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00571; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22126; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28887 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.41] (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:47:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 23:51:57 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >4. CAMS - a spin-off from dc-cycles, who have only two rules-- 1. No >drinking and riding. 2. No other rules. I didn't know this. How exactly is CAMS related to DC-Cycles and vice versa? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 1 23:49:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00577; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22130; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28891 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.41] (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:47:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I'm alive Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 23:52:01 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old >people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the >earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be >taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads >open to anyone anytime for any reason. Nice view, and one I agree with, up to a point. Much as I hate SUV's, I don't want 'em made illegal. And you should be able to drive what you want, how you want, unless it comes to a point of endangering others. I believe Jeanette suggested an eye test? Not a bad idea, but how 'bout a timed test to show RTs. And not just hit a button when a light goes on, but swerve a steering wheel depending on which side of you a light goes on. Bad description, but I'm thinking a multi-media setup similar to the swerve portion of the MSF:RSS. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:08:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01292; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22991; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29418 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA14205; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602000843.006d2f1c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:08:43 -0400 To: George Howell , "DC Cycles" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm now looking into a concealed/carry permit... my best friend Lenzy has one... makes his weapon EXTREMELY visible when riding his bike(keeps is tucked in a holster that slips into the back of his jeans).... everyone see's him.... nobody screws with him... life is good for him..... Sounds like the asshole totally deserved it. Hope that nothing bad comes of it. -Tom At 11:16 PM 5/31/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Joined the fender kickers club this afternoon. Was coming home from >parents house on the BMW (put on my Aeroflow headlight protector and the >run'n'lites in the rear). Idiot tried to run me over once or maybe he >just didn't see me. Tried to pass him. Same thing happened. Third time is >the charm. After the third time, he was next to me at a stop light. >Kicked him with my right foot. Now, here's the tricky part... I was at my >parents house. They have a gravel driveway. The bits of gravel get stuck >in the tread in my shoe. He gassed it as soon as I kicked. Gravel scrapes >down side of car. I take off, he follows. Next stop light. Conversation >goes like this: > >Him: >"Look what you did to my car" > >Me: >"Fuck you, you could have killed me" > >"I couldn't see you" > >"I saw your pointy head through the window. You didn't even look for me" > >"What about my car?" > >"Take me to court. If you can get my plate number. We'll both tell the >judge that you tried to kill me" > >Dumbass (about 18 years old or so) reaches down to get pen and paper. >Light goes green. I take off like a shot. I know the timing of the lights >in that area, and know that if I give my bike full throttle, I can just >squeeze into the next three lights before they go red (top speed never >over 75. Lights are pretty close) Last I saw of the guy. > >I'm not proud of what I did, and consider myself quite lucky that he >didn't have a gun. It's not something I'd do again (if I were thinking) >But damn if I'm not glad there was some gravel in the tread of my boot. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:10:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01300; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23022; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29442 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00990; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602001000.006d4704@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:10:00 -0400 To: George Howell , , "Mersch, Tom" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've had a few run in's with them myself.... there should be laws against thjis kind of stuff. -Tom At 11:16 AM 6/1/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Add me to the list. Had a phone bill problem when I was in college. Paid >it a few months late, but Equifax, even though they had received the >information that it was paid didn't remove it until two years later when >I was denied a loan because of their erroneous report. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:11:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01310; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23033; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29487 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.52] (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:09:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fwd: Honda 800 Interceptor and larger Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 00:13:37 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "MIKE" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Just thought Id pass this picture along of a CB600 not sold in the US. Its >called the Honda Hornet. Anyone know why it isnt sold in the US, or if it >can be imported? > >I am looking at Nighthawks, but this is exactly what I would be interested >in :-) Have seen it in the motomags (dl'ing it in the background:) First, nekkid bikes don't sell well in the states. All 'rounders are hard to classify, so they frighten us American sheep. I happen to love all-rounders, and only got the ZL over the CB when I got my first bike because if a bike is black, it oughta be a cruiser. But, it is a neat bike, and looks much better than the Bandit (which is the closest you'll come in this country now that the R850R is gone) Didn't like the 1/4 fairing on the Bandit, and couldn't easily switch to a plain front like the Euro version, so I didn't get it, BTW. Check out the Bandit if you gotta buy now, otherwise, write a letter to American Honda. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:19:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01451; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23231; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29680 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.52] (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:17:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 00:21:35 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Thomas W. Zell" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Sounds like the asshole totally deserved it. Hope that nothing bad comes of >it. I don't think so. Had he been able to follow me very far, it could have been trouble. But I did have 30 miles of range left, which could have gotten me to any number of friendly homes. But it didn't come to that. I think he lost me in this residential district I live in (St. Charles) I'm glad that neither of us had a gun. This happened the old fashioned way: lots of cursing and screaming. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:19:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01463; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23240; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29684 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA20197; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602001655.006d2ca8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:16:55 -0400 To: Todd Peer , Allen Wheat , Thomas Cox From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/98 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980601153308.XZGY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not sure if it's a law in Virgniia or not but the manual states that when riding in a large group, the group should be divided up into smaller individual groups for safety purposes. -Tom At 11:22 AM 6/1/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >>All, >>I was on the ride Saturday, I was impressed with the turnout. What I >>noticed is the dislike many motorists have of motorcycles. It felt as >>though many went out of their way to break our "formation". I am >>saddened, yet not surprised to hear that one of us was involved in an >>accident. > >Just a reminder to everyone who rides in a group, especially a large >group. The group is not a single vehicle. The bikes that make the >group are. This means that another vehicle must be given right of >way when signalling to do so regardless that you may be riding in a >large group. > >>From some dumb cagers point of view, a group of motorcycles is just >a lot of motorcycles. They aren't thinking about the dynamics being >experienced in the group. And if they need to move to the right to >get to that next exit, they don't care. So let them through and continue >the ride. > >Does anyone know anything more about the motorcyclist that had the >accident? Allen? > >Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:38:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01689; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23413; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29949 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19539; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602003836.006d56ac@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:38:36 -0400 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, aki.damme@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806011832.OAA14083@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <199806011814.AA14754@egate2.citicorp.com> <199806011637.MAA10072@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe Virginia should adopt New Jersey's jug-handle type left turn. In most cases you cannot make a left turn while on a major thoroughfare. I thought it was a major pain when I went to pick up Zeus from the breeder... now I think it would make things much safer... as long as people floow the rules. -Tom At 02:30 PM 6/1/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >At 02:12 PM 6/1/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >>...the elderly couple was oncoming, they wanted to make a left >>hand turn crossing over our lane, they didn't wait for *anyone*, >>they just cut right in front of Bill...he t-boned it just behind >>the passengers rear wheel. > >Okay, this makes much more sense than my version! Unfortunately I had >already sent my "second hand not very accurate version" before I got Aki's >message. Anyhow, I remember that in my MSF course they said that the >famous "car turns left in front of motorcycle" is the cause of a large >percentage of car/motorcycle accidents. No kidding! Whether I'm in my car >or on my motorcycle, I always try to err on the side of caution when >turning in front of traffic, or pulling out. Sometimes it is really hard >to judge just how fast that oncoming traffic is going! > >Anita >'95 Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:39:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01693; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23420; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29952 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr40-dialup60.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0ETW00B2XQ7SEU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:38:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:37:40 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: My Summit Racing (long) To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <003b01bd8d5a$1210b5e0$fc4c37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Collin, That is awesome! I'm glad to hear that you did so well, considering the fact that you jumped on a bike you never even rode before. Can't wait to see how well you do when you sort the bike out and get some more time in the seat. Let me know when your racing again, I'll bring my wrenches! I think I'm going to call you "Haga" from now on....... Jon Schumer fzr 600(rat bike) -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) To: DC Cycles ; Balt-cycles Cc: bhawkins@XXXXXX ; jnewman@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 2:24 AM Subject: My Summit Racing (long) >I'll try to keep the Oklahoma talking disease brief since I'm thoroughly >exhausted tonight. > >After Thursday and Friday night both staying up past 3 am getting the >race bike ready, I headed out to the track, knowing that I still had to >pull the kickstand off the bike...then found out it would have been nice >to have on during the rider school... > >Personally, I didn't get a lot out of the riding part of the skid pad >session of the school, but the things the instructors said were very >good. The classroom section was excellent. > >The afternoon: >Here I am on a bike that I've never riden before (hadn't even been on a >bike in 2.5 months other than a quick trip to the parts store on >Ursulinas bike), which still has Dunlop D204 street compound tires on >them. > >I was very herky jerky in the slower parade laps because I kept trying >to keep a very constant flowing pace through the corners, but my other >classmates kept tapping the brakes.. :( > >For the first two practive starts (drag races to turn 1 :)), I took a >commanding hole shot from my grid position on the middle of the second >row. The third start was for the rider school race with 28 other >riders. >I bogged ever so slightly on the start, and was second into one less >than a foot from Chris ?? (forgot his last name...very nice guy), and I >blew by him hard at the back of 2. He wasn't far behind until we got to >the turn in for turn 3. He braked farily hard, but I just rolled off >and downshifted through the turn and blasted away. From then on, I had >the track to myself. I was losing a lot of speed in 7, because I was >apexing in the wrong spot. I knew I was going through it in the wrong >way, but the right way feels very unnatural (more on that later). >The only time the bike would get very upset was coming up the hill out >of 9.... there are some moderate bumps right where you accelerate hard >up the hill and I'd get moderate to heavy tank slappers!! > >On the 3rd lap, I started lapping people!! woohoo! Over the next lap, I >passed all but a small handful of the other school riders. Then they >red flagged the race (to see if we respond to the flag correctly) and my >day was done. Actually, after the red flag, we backed way off pace, and >at first I thought my brakes were failing, because I suddenly could not >get enough strength to pull the brakes!! WOW! Adrenalin is a wonderful >drug. My forearms were extremely tight for several more hours. > >All said, the grin on my face went past the ears on both sides :) and I >was pumped for several more hours after the race. > >Sunday came along and I skipped the first practive session. Partly so I >could sleep an extra hour, partly because I didn't want to go out when >the track might still be slick. The 2nd practice for my group I went >out and had a great time...I fell in behind a couple other guys and >tried to work on better lines. Eventually I decided I needed to pass >them and did, with a monster slide in turn 3 just after passing them in >the previous straight!! My best lap time that anyone caught was a rough >1:28:?? Which isn't too bad for a new rider I hear. > >In the pits, I tell myself that these tires won't handle my race and >track day tomorrow, so I should find some real race tires. I found a >deal on a set of D207 GP compounds that the rider told me had 8 laps on >them at Atlanta...they looked in very good shape, and he only wanted $50 >for the set (they were worth that apiece!). > >I rushed to get them mounted (side note: Jack of Sport Cycle is >awsome...fast tire change at $10/tire!!)...Even faster rush to get them >back on the bike. Jack told me that 28 psi was the pressure of the >day. Like a fool, I didn't double check to insure that he put in that >much air. I also mounted them in a very big hurry, and didn't get to >check my alignment too closely. :( > >Since I paid my fees fairly late in the morning, I was gridded dead last >at the back of the 2nd grid, 41 of 41 for Heavyweight Superbike Amateur >(the only race a 750cc machine was eligible for with amateur plates). >(the experts those guys saw out there just took a lap or so to scrub in >tires I believe...and they gridded waaay at the back.). > >I got a great start and passed almost all of the 2nd wave when all of a >sudden, the front of my bike starts lashing back and forth violently!! >Through turns 1-5 I was passing people left and right, but as I got on >the main straight, I would start getting the violent slappers again just >into partial throttle 5th gear... So as I tooled down the front straight >at 95-100 mph, most everyone I passed motored on by. This went on for >several laps..I'd pass in the tight stuff and just rock, then they would >just motor right by me laughing down the straight. > >At the end of the race, I ended up placing 30 of 41.... I was so >disheartened because I just knew I could have place much much higher had >I been able to get up to speed and go 150 down the straight. > >That said, a couple of people got a few lap times on me and I managed at >least one 1:28 even though I was going much slower in the straights!!! >That means the corners were getting better!! > >Before he left for home, I asked Al Lap for anything he could think of >that might help my tank slap problems...(other than get a steering >damper...I already planned on that). After checking head bearings >(good), he asked about rear tire alignment..doh!! rushed the tire >change and forgot to check..sure enough, it was turned to the right a >fair amount... also checked tire pressures... They were supposed to be >28 on both. They were actually 25.5 and 25 :( Lesson learned: never >trust someone else with your race bike/life unless it's your pit >partner. We also found that my front rebound was near 0 and the forks >were topping out after compression. > >For track day, I realigned the tire, raised the pressure to 29 rear, 28 >front (to put a tad more weight bias to the front), and increased the >rebound setting a bit. >The bike was much more stable. It still had a slight unsteadiness when >I hit the big bumps on the main straights, so I couldn't go 100% wide >open, but I could get in the ballpark. >By the faster sessions in the afternoon, I had hooked up with some of >the senior control riders and they were leading me through the course on >more or less a one on one race lesson as we blasted all the traffic (but >only in the straights :( we weren't aloud to pass in the turns, >although later the control rider told me to do it if I was following him >like that). > >For the last session, I jumped into the big bike A group. For the first >couple of laps, I was eating tailpipe on the lead control rider on an >R1. He was going fairly slow through corners, but blasting the >straights... He never looked back to realize that two of us were eating >him up and he wasn't keeping as good a pace as the other instructors.... >So I backed off in the main straigt, and I was passing the start/finish >line as they went into turn one...NOW!! I had the track to myself :) It >only took one lap to catch them again in turn 2!!!.... Over the course >of the last several laps of the laps, I had two separate people clock me >at 1:24 lap times!!!!!! That was beyond my wildest dreams... >On the last two laps, I ended up dragging bike AND body parts that I >never imagined (without crashing :) ) >They had short orange cones marking the apexes of each turn. The one in >turn 3 was sitting perfectly on top of the rumple strips about 18 inches >or so off the track..... Mysteriously, somehow it managed to get knocked >over ;-) My knee slapped through it and the grass off track. It hit >harder than I would have expected though..ouch... >Through 5, I really tagged the ground HARD all the way up my left >leg....need to check the leathers to see how they look, cause more than >just the puck slip through the turns! >My session ended when I came around turn 10 and the bike surged 4 or 5 >times then died.... :( Heard mysterious clicking noises when I tried to >start it in the pits.... Turned out to be that the ground wire on the >battery backed its screw out and fell off :( > >I had the time of my life this past weekend. And like many have said, >there is NOTHING like the track..no matter how fast you think you are on >the street.... >Oh yeah, Randy Renfrow passed me just as we apexed turn 10, but I passed >him right back (he was on a little Aprillia though :)) > >Also forgot to mention that I raced the bike naked this weekend (no >bodywork that is... so just get those disgusting thoughts out of your >head he he he) I've named the bike "The Ugly Duckling" Pics soon to >follow tomorrow or next day. > >Thank you so much to all the listers that showed up with support over >the weekend and today. It really means a lot to me and Brian (even >though his bike was acting up and giving him a tough time). > >The next race weekend is July 11th....Hopefully everyone can make it out >:) (assuming I can scrounge enough for race fees AND a steering >damper!!!!) > >Collin > > > >-- >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:39:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01698; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23434; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29960 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA27765; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602003918.006d6cc8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:39:18 -0400 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , Dale Horstman From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: I'm alive Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3572FB75.81408271@smart.net> References: <3572EFB9.6CE1@patriot.net> <3572F7A2.8BDD7C3C@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I second that! Tom At 03:05 PM 6/1/98 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his >automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to it >is bound to make very few friends on a jury. > >Dale Horstman wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the >> chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another >> opportunity real soon! >> >> Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. >> I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be >> good to you. > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:42:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01716; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23500; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00004 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA02154; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602004240.006d8308@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:42:40 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , Dale Horstman From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: I'm alive Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think that they(the governing agency) should make sure that the folks are MENTALLY fit to drive(this goes for everyone) not just an eye exam. Anyone can pass the eye exam... let's make sure that the folks can comprehend what's going on around them! -Tom At 03:19 PM 6/1/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Yes, I agree, perhaps these people need to be taken off the roads and >this is just the way to do it... >eye exam, anyone!!?? > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:05 PM >> To: Dale Horstman >> Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: I'm alive >> >> Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his >> automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to >> it >> is bound to make very few friends on a jury. >> >> Dale Horstman wrote: >> >> > Bill, >> > >> > I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the >> > chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another >> > opportunity real soon! >> > >> > Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. >> > I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be >> > good to you. >> >> -- >> Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:53:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01773; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23650; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00130 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19180; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602005030.006d63d8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:50:30 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Equifax Cc: merscht@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <82aa5a50.35730ad5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" These folks hide above the law... they can't be touched because the insurance companies, banks, big $$$$$ politicians, etc.(the folks that really make things go on in this world it seems) are the one's protecting them. The only way to win is with a full-scale revolt on a national level(rioting... killing, removal of people from office, public hangings, etc.). The Constitution provides for it!!!!!!!! OK... I'm done! : ) -Tom (pissed because of having to go through a "Big Brother" road block on I-66 where Arlington's finest were looking for property tax evaders) At 04:11 PM 6/1/98 EDT, JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >Perhaps a HUGE petition to the Better Business Bureau?? Or a class-action >lawsuit...... Marcy > >In a message dated 98-06-01 16:00:20 EDT, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX writes: > ><< Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? > The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially > when no violation of law has been proven. >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 00:58:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01803; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23699; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00193 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-35.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.35]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id AAA11375; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602005656.00ad7a80@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:56:56 -0400 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , DC Cycles , Balt-cycles From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: My Summit Racing (long) Cc: bhawkins@XXXXXX, jnewman@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3573610B.C1B3645F@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You Go Brian! I'll be out there wavin' fabric at you soon! :) MET At 10:18 PM 6/1/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >I had the time of my life this past weekend. And like many have said, >there is NOTHING like the track..no matter how fast you think you are on >the street.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 01:18:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02053; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23867; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00476 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-226.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA04405; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602011818.006dc424@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 01:18:18 -0400 To: George Howell , "DC Cycles" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting that description driving a red Mustang. He was chasing another Mustang down the Prince William Prkwy.... cut me off while motoring along a quite a good clip... I hit my hi-beams in response..only for a second as to warn the driver that he was in the wrong. The kid went ape-shit and tried waiting for me at the light... then got mad and went fish tailing down the intersecting crossroad when I made it clear that I wasn't going near him(I was howevewr more than pissed and was ready to put my fist through his skull for scaring the crap outta Jeannette and I with his actions). Probably good for both of us that I used my brain and avoided a confrontation. Where the hell are the police when you really need them? I know... checking for god-damned county stickers!!! JERKS(not the officers themselves... the system that puts them out there)!!! -Tom At 12:21 AM 6/2/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>Sounds like the asshole totally deserved it. Hope that nothing bad comes of >>it. > >I don't think so. Had he been able to follow me very far, it could have >been trouble. But I did have 30 miles of range left, which could have >gotten me to any number of friendly homes. But it didn't come to that. I >think he lost me in this residential district I live in (St. Charles) > >I'm glad that neither of us had a gun. This happened the old fashioned >way: lots of cursing and screaming. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 02:14:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02676; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA24078; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01123 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WIZIa08936 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f2ae723.35739802@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:13:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: bike choises Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Well, I think its come down to the CBR1100XX, the ZX-11, and the TL1000S. Im not too familiar with the TL1000S, but Ive ridden the zx, and rode with a xx, and Im gonna go shopping for one tomorrow(tuesday) and I wanted to know anyones final thoughts about any of these. Sean Petr Still Searching.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 07:33:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04784; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25526; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05007 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:33:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Incest. Alot of each are on the other. Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 11:52 PM > To: Chris Norloff; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* > > >4. CAMS - a spin-off from dc-cycles, who have only two rules-- 1. No > >drinking and riding. 2. No other rules. > > I didn't know this. How exactly is CAMS related to DC-Cycles and vice > versa? > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 07:55:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04940; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25607; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.183.13] [128.126.183.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05226 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8DFB.90F9CE40@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:53:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 53 TEXT I'm not saying it wasn't the old couple's fault ~ but it was pretty dark and as part of the ride, I was overwhelmed at the number of bikes myself ~ maybe that couple felt the same way and thought they could sqeeze through the crowd. There were far too many for one group to try and stick together. And as far as I could tell, we weren't riding that safe either. Stopping along side of road, in them middle of roads, blowing through some yellowish-red lights to stay together. Nope, won't be doing a ride that big or in the dark for quite some time ~ need to let the memories fade. ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:19 PM To: 'Thomas H. Gimer'; Dale Horstman Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I'm alive Yes, I agree, perhaps these people need to be taken off the roads and this is just the way to do it... eye exam, anyone!!?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:05 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values his > automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next to > it > is bound to make very few friends on a jury. > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > I was there for the group ride, but I didn't get the > > chance to introduce myself. Here's hoping I get another > > opportunity real soon! > > > > Glad to hear that you are more or less ok. > > I hope you heal up quickly. May the insurance gods be > > good to you. > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:05:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05108; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25684; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05389 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id IAA10935; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:03:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:03:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: The Best Kind of Lover (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Three women were sitting around talking about their husbands'performance as a lover. The first woman says "My Husband works as a marriage counselor.. He always buys me flowers and candy before we make love. I like that.. "The second woman says, "My husband is a motorcyclist. He likes to play rough and slaps me around sometimes. I kinda like that.. "The third woman just shakes her head and says, "My husband works for Microsoft. He just sits on the edge of the bed and tells me how great it's going to be when I get it." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:18:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05264; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25799; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-bh.colybrand.com [205.183.232.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05566 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA01835; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:16:14 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma001792; Tue, 2 Jun 98 08:16:10 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA19242; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:10:33 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256617.0042270B ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:02:33 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256617.00435462.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:16:29 -0400 Subject: Re: oh man I'm riding my cage tonight Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well ... I'm a capricorn and I rode yesterday, last night and today ... still alive and kicking. Later, chris To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Date: 06/01/98 04:09:00 PM AST Subject: Re: oh man I'm riding my cage tonight >oh man..in light of all the near misses I've had last weekend, >I just read my horoscope...think I'll be taking the cage anywhere >I go tonight! > > *************************** > * Horoscope for Capricorn * > *************************** > > The Sun is in Gemini and the Moon is in Virgo. This signals a rather awkward > situation to find yourself in. Travel beckons, but work insists. If you're >doing > >....scary huh? > >-aki What it says? or that you actually believe it? ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:26:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05309; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25853; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05658 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF2A5180292; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:25:14 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602080939.00fa9100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:09:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And I bet the states love it. Now they don't have to talk to every other state to find "bad" drivers, they just have to call a credit bureau. bleah, Chris Norloff At 05:28 PM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >All the info Equifax is collecting is public records (accident reports, >traffic citations, etc.), so I think you have no hope of stopping them. > >John Whiteside > >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:47 PM >To: klthomas@XXXXXX >Cc: Mersch, Tom; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > >Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? >The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially >when no violation of law has been proven. > >Todd > >>Y'all-- >> >>I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >>you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >>that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >>co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >>tickets issued or police report written. >> >>Equifax sucks > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:26:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05314; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25857; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05663 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF295180292; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:25:16 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602082838.00ff3bf0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:28:38 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602011818.006dc424@pop.mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:18 AM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting >that description driving a red Mustang. He was chasing another Mustang >down the Prince William Prkwy.... cut me off while motoring along a quite a >good clip... I hit my hi-beams in response..only for a second as to warn >the driver that he was in the wrong. The kid went ape-shit and tried >waiting for me at the light... then got mad and went fish tailing down the >intersecting crossroad when I made it clear that I wasn't going near him Get a tag no. and turn him in. Fairfax County police will supposedly take tag nos. of aggressive drivers and send them a warning (according to an article in the paper). Not sure about Prince William county, but at least you could find out. While a warning doesn't stop him, the more warnings come through, the more the local police will we watching for him - and the less slack they're likely to cut him. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:26:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05320; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25864; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05669 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF2B5180292; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:25:15 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602081308.00fa8750@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:13:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I'm alive Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357320C3.EA59424C@illuminet.net> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:44 PM 6/1/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old >people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the >earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be >taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads >open to anyone anytime for any reason. The difference is that one has caused a wreck through incompetence, and one has not. It's a lot of luck (and some protective gear) that the wreck did not kill. We'll all be old farts one day, hopefully. But a person's priviledge to drive ends when they cannot safely control their vehicle on a public road - no matter what their age is. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:26:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05319; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25863; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05670 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF2C5180292; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:25:16 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602082312.00faabb0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:23:12 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: *New Maryland Bike Group* In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:51 PM 6/1/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>4. CAMS - a spin-off from dc-cycles, who have only two rules-- 1. No >>drinking and riding. 2. No other rules. > >I didn't know this. How exactly is CAMS related to DC-Cycles and vice >versa? Well, CAMS started when John Weinstein solicited people interested in rides on dc-cycles. Gradually the CAMS list got longer and John got busier, so I think he doesn't even read dc-cycles anymore. Still, CAMS is very egalitarian and chronically late ... so most of us fit in well. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:44:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05581; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26079; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06057 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:43:49 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D0A@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:42:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I oiled up the track with a badly running RS.. the thing is awesome when it runs through... first gear pulls HARD when it hits 9.5K... and shifting into 2nd (no clutch) it gets really light.. and turning? Well, you tilt your head in the direction you want to go, and you need to correct for oversteering... All in all, I'll like the bike better when/if I can actually get it running right (never did get to see what the front straight looked like, and probably pushed my bike well over 5 miles yesterday... Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 10:31 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Did anyone see the races at Summit Point? > > Did anyone see the races at Summit Point this weekend? Did Collin and > Brian get out and tear up the track?? > > - Ursulina From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:45:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05590; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26111; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06103 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA13395; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:44:30 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma013313; Tue, 2 Jun 98 08:44:23 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA26338; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:38:46 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256617.0044C0AA ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:30:57 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: zellto@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256617.0045982F.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:45:03 -0400 Subject: RE: I'm alive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I dunno ... I am more with Leon on this one. I guess I just don't think I need a beurocracy to protect me on the roads. I rather take responsibility to do that for my self. Sure, I'll agree with minimal licensing requirements, and I do think egregious traffic offenders should be taken of the streets (like repeat DWIs), but man it would be nice if traffic was TRULY enforced from a safety standpoint and not a money-grubbing speeding ticket frenzy. YMMV, chris To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: zellto@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 12:42:40 AM AST Subject: RE: I'm alive I think that they(the governing agency) should make sure that the folks are MENTALLY fit to drive(this goes for everyone) not just an eye exam. Anyone can pass the eye exam... let's make sure that the folks can comprehend what's going on around them! -Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 08:58:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05690; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26216; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06332 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:58:42 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D0B@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Summit Point/Collin/Heat Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:57:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Wait, you didn't just say that!!?? 100% humidity, 90degrees F - I didn't stop sweating till Monday morning when the humidity finally went away.. heck, I was wet even the instant after I had toweled off from my shower... Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harris [SMTP:harris@XXXXXX] > > > Oh well, at least the weather was nice. > > > Stephen > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:08:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05765; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26344; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06587 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygqnV-0001Pb-01; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:14 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A60@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:07:43 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain If people can not see to drive, they should not be driving, old OR young. That is what I meant and I will stand by that. I would hope that when I no longer can see well enough to operate a motor vehicle, I would voluntarily take myself off the road rather than endangering others' lives. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 5:45 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > Bill is certainly entitled to collect adequate compensation for his > time, damage and injuries. Given that there were plenty of witnesses, > I > would hope this could be done swiftly. > > As an aspiring old fart, I'd prefer that no one be 'taken off the > roads' If living in a jungle is the price to pay until then, so be > it. > > I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old > people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the > earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be > taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads > open to anyone anytime for any reason. > > Leon. > > > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > > Yes, I agree, perhaps these people need to be taken off the roads > and > > this is just the way to do it... > > eye exam, anyone!!?? > > > > - Jeannette > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:05 PM > > > To: Dale Horstman > > > Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > > > > > Don't settle, Bill. Hold out for trial. Any defendant who values > his > > > automobile greater than the human life lying on the pavement next > to > > > it > > > is bound to make very few friends on a jury. > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:08:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05769; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26350; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06594 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8E05.C24A45B0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:06:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Dale's Concours Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:06:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT Well Gang, I finally got up the courage to take Dale's bike for a spin. He's got over 6,000 miles on it now, so it's been broken in. He was kind and let some air out of the mono-shock so that I could touch the ground better. I'm not used to tip-toeing around but I could do it. Took it around the block (Dale Blvd, Hoadly, PW Parkway, Old Bridge, Smoketown, Minnieville, PW Parkway, Hillendale, Dale Blvd and home again for those familiar with the area in which we live). I really like corners on it ~ soooo different from the cruiser-style that I ride. It still needs to be about an inch or so shorter ~ I hear PC is an inch shorter. I wonder, if I refinance the car and juggle a few things. Been looking at ZX7Rs too......Time to get another job if I keep going at this rate. So now, Dale's bike is no longer safe ~ he needs to make me a key for it too! I could really go shopping on it. Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:43:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06221; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26716; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07568 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA8879 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:35:00 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:40:03 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:42:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fender Bender club -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I agree with George. Assume "they" are trying to kill you, and stay away from them pedal bikes. Joe '86 Ninja 900 >>> George Howell - 6/1/98 11:51 PM >>> >They're not ALL trying to kill us, it just feels that way. Like hell they aren't. Since I was about 10 years old, my father has been beating that mantra into my head. Saved my butt a few times. The only rational way to ride a bike in traffic is to go under the most paranoid delusion concerning 'them'. BTW, think it's bad on motorcyclists? I've been out with SWMBO a few times on pedal bikes. That is ten times worse. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:43:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06234; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26729; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07589 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:44:34 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 02 Jun 1998 08:44:01 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 02 Jun 1998 08:44:01 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 04B8A3573F39100F-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 04B8A3573F39100F Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 02 Jun 1998 08:44:01 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Being fairly new to the area and in search of the best way into the District from Montgomery County; today I took Beach Drive and the Rock Creek and Potomac Parkway through Rock Creek Park. It was by far the best way I've discovered, no traffic lights and twisty roads, what more can I ask for on the way into the office. :) I don't know how it is later in the day, but when I went through at 6:30 AM it was pretty deserted. My question is: does anyone know how closely the police enforce the speed limit. (I think the speed limit was either 25 or 35 mph) I don't advocate wild abuse of speed limits, but most roads can be traveled safely at speeds somewhat in excess of the limits, unless Officer Friendly is waiting, radar gun in hand, to hand you a ticket. If anyone could help me out it would be appreciated. Thanks - Don B BTW - My computer folks told me they cleared up our E-mail problems and now I should be receiving things once again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:44:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06248; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26743; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07623 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 274; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <357401A5.A2746BC6@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:44:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas W. Zell" CC: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX, merscht@XXXXXX, mr2-interest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Equifax References: <3.0.1.32.19980602005030.006d63d8@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas W. Zell wrote: > > The only way to win is with a full-scale revolt on a national > level(rioting... killing, removal of people from office, public hangings, > etc.). The Constitution provides for it!!!!!!!! OK... I'm done! : ) > > -Tom > Sounds like fun! I'm there, dude! :-) Mayhem is my middle name! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:51:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06336; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26875; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07862 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-25.dial.nova.org (pm2-25.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.249]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA00431 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:51:14 GMT Message-ID: <35750273.4453030@mailgate.nova.org> References: <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> In-Reply-To: <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02 Jun 1998 08:44:01 -0400, "Burger, Donald " wrote: >My question is: does anyone know how closely the police =20 >enforce the speed limit. (I think the speed limit was either 25 or 35 =20 >mph) I don't advocate wild abuse of speed limits, but most roads can be = =20 >traveled safely at speeds somewhat in excess of the limits, unless =20 >Officer Friendly is waiting, radar gun in hand, to hand you a ticket. They are pretty good about enforcing the limits. By good, in this case, means that they do a lot of enforcement. It's a park and wasn't intended as a major commuter route (which it has largely become) after all. There are efforts underway by several groups to close the route to motorized vehicles (it is closed on the weekends). If you happen to also ride bicycles and are in search of someone to ride with Beach Dr is a great place to meet up with folks on the weekends... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06583; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26969; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08307 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p191.smart.net [206.97.127.191]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09564; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: <35740499.413A8BAF@smart.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:56:42 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike choices References: <5f2ae723.35739802@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I said before, if you're going to get a ZX-11, don't bother buying new. The design has been unchanged (except for the stickers/color schemes) since '93 with the D model. A relatively new ZX can be had for around $6k. The CBR1100XX is an awesome bike....with only one flaw that I have noticed: clearance. Zbig always seems to be dragging something (either pegs or fairing) while other bikes on the same turns are not. It does have some extra long feelers on it, and a 4:1 exhaust would help on the left side clearance, but it still looks too close for my comfort in some tight areas. The TL1000S is one beautiful bike, IMHO, but if you wanted to do any long distance cruising or carry a passenger I would stick with either the ZX or XX. That V twin looks and sounds incredible, and performance is excellent as well (ask Craig Johnston what he thinks of it...I've seen him shred it up on that bike). If I had $10K sitting around I would either buy one of these or a VFR800. Which reminds me....why are you not looking at the VFR. You can't go wrong there. CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, I think its come down to the CBR1100XX, the ZX-11, and the TL1000S. Im > not too familiar with the TL1000S, but Ive ridden the zx, and rode with a xx, > and Im gonna go shopping for one tomorrow(tuesday) and I wanted to know > anyones final thoughts about any of these. > > Sean Petr > Still Searching.... -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 09:58:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06687; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27038; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08511 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 284; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:58:26 -0400 Message-ID: <357404E9.472EB7EF@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:58:01 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dale's Concours References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well Gang, I finally got up the courage to take Dale's bike for a > spin. > So now, Dale's bike is no longer safe ~ he needs to make me a key for > it too! I could really go shopping on it. > > Tracy -- Isn't it ironic that when I look at the bags on the Concours, I think of all the stuff I can pack in them to get away, and when Tracy looks at the bags on the Concours, all she thinks of is all the stuff she can buy to bring home? :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:04:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06927; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27184; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08885 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18398 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:04:02 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:04:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Dale's Concours Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:07:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >Isn't it ironic that when I look at the bags on the Concours, >I think of all the stuff I can pack in them to get away, and >when Tracy looks at the bags on the Concours, all she thinks >of is all the stuff she can buy to bring home? :-) Ideally, it should be self-cancelling with a net gain/loss of 0 (zero) ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:04:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06936; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27265; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08903 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:04:54 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450424D0C@HQMAIL04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: My Turn.... (Summit Point experience) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:03:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't really want to go into to much detail (wouldn't do anyone any good here anyway), but I'll start with the bad. My RS is FUBAR.. It starts, it runs, put it in first and (when it has a clutch) it pulls.. for about 4~5 seconds then dies. I even managed to get it to hit 2nd and 3rd, but it dies again.. Makes for a miserable track experience. The bike, when running - even at slow speeds is AWESOME.. as I mentioned briefly before, if you even Think about turning in for a hard right hander (turn 1 @ summit), you better have the speed up to hold you up, or be prepared to correct for over steering. The thing Turns... and it's no slouch either.. even with my 220lbs holding it down it'll wheelie (small ones, I wasn't there to show off). I'm gonna be in love when I can sort it out. As for the real weekend, it was hot, damn hot.. so hot I saw a couple guys in orange turbans burst into flames (Good Morning Vietnam for those who don't remember the line above). Anyway, Saturday was a Great day, no red flags, no ambulance calls, nothing. I was hung out in turn 10 (last one going onto the front straight, one of the fastest on the track) as captain.. means I delegate duties.. ok, no problem.. I'll sit and watch the race, you flag/pick up.. :P Got a visit from Kevin and his little.. er, I'll refrain for the sake of the list. Watched my buddy Thane Stielow kick major ass in GT3 (30 minute mini endurance - lightweight bikes like Hawks, EX500s, FZR400s, RS125s and even an Aprillia 250).. He was leading till about mid race when he bogged it going into T5 and killed the bike.. slipped back to second, got the bike running again.. and in the next 6~7 laps, managed to put about a 20 second lead on the guy in second (took back first in about 1 lap). He's now taken 2 1sts and a 3rd in CCS GT3 series.. looks like he's well on his way to taking the championship this year. He rides a monster hawk, something to the tune of 74hp at the rear wheel. The man can ride.. after that, the day was pretty dull and long till Collin got to go play... I figured he'd be a front runner in the class just based on my street riding experience with him, but I had no idea.. He was lapping riders within about 2.5~3 laps, and even took a control rider or two. As was mentioned, he turned 1:28's - for those who don't know times, most school students are running 1:40's or higher and the best a bike's ever done on the track is 1:17.67. Others on 750 bikes are turning (amateur) 1:21's for the win, and (expert) 1:18~19 for the win. With the laps of 1:24's on Monday, you can see that Collin is not to far off the winning pace.. and this with a hastily put together bike with steering issues. I think the next CCS weekend will show us what Collin is capable of with a bike that's a bit more sorted out and without starting 41 of 41 and having to fight through all the slow riders. Sunday was a bit more interesting, but also more humid and disgusting. The captain in turn one (I was in T2) threw his shoulder while reaching for the red (crimson!) flag to call the race after we had a rider go down in one. But mostly I did a lot of walking cause the riders kept stopping like 300 feet upstream from me.. and just waiting for me to walk to them... The Legend cars are still a scream.. those things are so much fun to watch, I'd love to drive one sometime. The usual track camaraderie was readily abundant, and it was great to see some DC-listers out there that I haven't seen there before (Todd, it was nice to see you there too.. esp. for the beer and food.. oh, the drugs kept me alive on Sunday.. thanks tons!). It's great to have support, and I'm sure it'll only get better as Collin and I slip into our proper places as racers.. I guess there's not much more to say.... I hope to be taking a race school in a couple weeks with Collins bike (damn my RS, friggin money pit) and maybe sorting my RS to race for the CCS weekend following that. See y'all soon when I get my VFR put together.. Brian P. McCoy - U.S. Army Corps of Engineers - CEHEC-IM Work Phone (703) 428-9045 Ride to Work <-> Work to Ride From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:07:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06994; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27372; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08997 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA9293 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:59:39 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:04:43 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:07:00 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fender Bender club -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Bullets aren't the answer, and fisticuffs aren't either if he has bullets. Finally, maybe we've found an actual use for a cell phone: "Hello, police? there's a guy in a red Mustang, license number xxx-000, and he's all over the road at Main and Broad heading west. I think he's drunk." Just a thought from someone trying to renounce his violent ways, Joe >>> "Thomas W. Zell" - 6/2/98 1:18 AM >>> Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting that description driving a red Mustang. He was chasing another Mustang down the Prince William Prkwy.... cut me off while motoring along a quite a good clip... I hit my hi-beams in response..only for a second as to warn the driver that he was in the wrong. The kid went ape-shit and tried waiting for me at the light... then got mad and went fish tailing down the intersecting crossroad when I made it clear that I wasn't going near him(I was howevewr more than pissed and was ready to put my fist through his skull for scaring the crap outta Jeannette and I with his actions). Probably good for both of us that I used my brain and avoided a confrontation. Where the hell are the police when you really need them? I know... checking for god-damned county stickers!!! JERKS(not the officers themselves... the system that puts them out there)!!! -Tom At 12:21 AM 6/2/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>Sounds like the asshole totally deserved it. Hope that nothing bad comes of >>it. > >I don't think so. Had he been able to follow me very far, it could have >been trouble. But I did have 30 miles of range left, which could have >gotten me to any number of friendly homes. But it didn't come to that. I >think he lost me in this residential district I live in (St. Charles) > >I'm glad that neither of us had a gun. This happened the old fashioned >way: lots of cursing and screaming. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:08:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07017; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27435; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09045 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA23957 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:08:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35740723.51710460@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:07:31 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I'm alive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. Leon. Leon said: > >Let's leave the roads > >open to anyone anytime for any reason. > > Eric replied: > That might be going a tad far, and to be fair you would probably agree to > some limits there; e.g., one's motor skills (or lack thereof) do not enable > one to operate a vehicle safely, one's eyesight just ain't there, or, one > has proven through past accumulation of nasty offences (with no show of > remorse such as sitting through dull classes intended to educate the > offender) that one cannot be trusted not to endanger others' lives while > driving a vehicle. > > Here's to bringing some civility to the jungle and doing something to limit > incidents such as were just recounted on this list. > > Eric M. Winslow > '93 GS500E > 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:15:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07252; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27835; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09636 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA05444 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199806021414.AA05444@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:53 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:53 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:10:13 -0400 Subject: Re: I'm alive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME as alot of you already know, I used to work at Fair Oaks DMV... statistically (based on my casual observation and comments from the Fairfax Co. Police), the most dangerous drivers on the roads around here are: 1. Women in mini-vans - a significant number of "near" accidents, run red lights and lane swerving are caused by inattentive mothers driving mini-vans..cops *hate* these kind of drivers because alot of them, if stopped, become hysterical and cause a big scene with the mother crying, the kids crying and the rubber neckers giving the cops the evil eye...alot of the young single cops try and avoid this situation like the plague... 8-P 2. Agressive drivers - nuff said. 3. Drunk drivers - also nuff said. 4. Teenage kids racing in subdivisions, occurs alot during the summer. 5. *ANY* really hot summer...especially parking lots where road rage tends to really get out of hand. The only reason I bring this up is because I thought it was interesting that not *one* police officer thought motorcyclists are any kind of traffic threat..the number of real squids doing squidly stuff (tm) is really small in the total percentage of motorcyclists out there. Also, when I worked at DMV, a persons age really didn't have a significant impact on their driving ability or their driving record. Young kids and women (yes wimmen!), had a much higher percentage of accidents than any other age group. That's interesting since for a long time, we were fed that young MEN were worse drivers than female drivers of the same age. Actually, women tend to be involved in more accidents than men, although accidents caused by men tend to have a higher fatality rate due to the rate of speed involved. The senior set had a higher number of "failure to pay proper attention" and "failure to yield" offences than any other age group but they did NOT tend to be the cause of most accidents although *most* accidents are caused by people who are eventually charged with failing to yield or not paying proper attention it just wasn't the old pharts that were involved. I tend to thing this trend will eventually change as more and more people are living longer and healthier lives and the baby boomer set gets older, we'll see more and more old folks driving..regardless of what ones driving ability is, I seriously think we need to revamp the entire driving qualification system in the U.S. into ONE national requirement...just because old Bubba learned how to drive a tractor back on the farm shouldn't instantly qualify him to drive a pickup on the beltway. ..back to ob moto: Infact one old phart police sargent that patrols the Fairoaks area said that he prefers to stop motorcylists because they rarely try to elude police, they are polite and because they are out in the open, he doesn't feel intimidated approaching them. cheers, -aki > >I just have a hard time seeing a difference in the post saying old > >people should be taken off the road after causing an accident and the > >earlier post today in which a car driver stated that a biker should be > >taken off the road just on general principles. Let's leave the roads > >open to anyone anytime for any reason. > > Nice view, and one I agree with, up to a point. Much as I hate SUV's, I > don't want 'em made illegal. And you should be able to drive what you > want, how you want, unless it comes to a point of endangering others. I > believe Jeanette suggested an eye test? Not a bad idea, but how 'bout a > timed test to show RTs. And not just hit a button when a light goes on, > but swerve a steering wheel depending on which side of you a light goes > on. Bad description, but I'm thinking a multi-media setup similar to the > swerve portion of the MSF:RSS. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:16:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07287; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27888; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (known lmmail.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09736 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.89]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 283; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:12:37 -0400 Message-ID: <10e501bd8e31$33127030$59111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: , Subject: Re: Dale's Concours Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:17:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Tracy quipped: >Well Gang, I finally got up the courage to take Dale's bike for a spin. Congratulations! That's the first step to a complete change in outlook... >It still needs to be about an inch or so shorter ~ I hear PC is an inch >shorter Yes, it is. But, it is wider in the seat - so that might take the elevation advantage away for you. But, it is far more balanced (much lower COG - and I don't mean Concours Owners Group) and is easier to handle at slow speeds. >So now, Dale's bike is no longer safe ~ he needs to make me a key for it >too! I could really go shopping on it. Talk about shopping... hee hee... can we say "great mo-fo trunk"??!! Good luck, Amy PS - I'm a willing trader, so if you ever want to test ride a PC800... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:18:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07335; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27939; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09780 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygrtB-00064n-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:09 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A6A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:17:38 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, sorry, but I hope you get hit by someone who can't see to drive and not me. I don't mean to be rude, but I do think liberalism can be stretched a tad too far...as in this case. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:08 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against > those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with > disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. > > Leon. > > Leon said: > > >Let's leave the roads > > >open to anyone anytime for any reason. > > > > Eric replied: > > That might be going a tad far, and to be fair you would probably > agree to > > some limits there; e.g., one's motor skills (or lack thereof) do not > enable > > one to operate a vehicle safely, one's eyesight just ain't there, > or, one > > has proven through past accumulation of nasty offences (with no show > of > > remorse such as sitting through dull classes intended to educate the > > offender) that one cannot be trusted not to endanger others' lives > while > > driving a vehicle. > > > > Here's to bringing some civility to the jungle and doing something > to limit > > incidents such as were just recounted on this list. > > > > Eric M. Winslow > > '93 GS500E > > 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:19:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07366; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27978; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09848 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:19:03 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA05708 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199806021418.AA05708@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:14:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Sat Night Ride To: zellto@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602003836.006d56ac@pop.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..unfortunately, this wasn't a major throughfare, it was just one of those Virgina side streets surrounded by woods on both sides. More of a upside down "Y" intersection than anything else. -aki > Maybe Virginia should adopt New Jersey's jug-handle type left turn. In > most cases you cannot make a left turn while on a major thoroughfare. I > thought it was a major pain when I went to pick up Zeus from the breeder... > now I think it would make things much safer... as long as people floow the > rules. > > -Tom > > At 02:30 PM 6/1/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: > >At 02:12 PM 6/1/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >>...the elderly couple was oncoming, they wanted to make a left > >>hand turn crossing over our lane, they didn't wait for *anyone*, > >>they just cut right in front of Bill...he t-boned it just behind > >>the passengers rear wheel. > > > >Okay, this makes much more sense than my version! Unfortunately I had > >already sent my "second hand not very accurate version" before I got Aki's > >message. Anyhow, I remember that in my MSF course they said that the > >famous "car turns left in front of motorcycle" is the cause of a large > >percentage of car/motorcycle accidents. No kidding! Whether I'm in my car > >or on my motorcycle, I always try to err on the side of caution when > >turning in front of traffic, or pulling out. Sometimes it is really hard > >to judge just how fast that oncoming traffic is going! > > > >Anita > >'95 Nighthawk 750 > > > > X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:21:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07403; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28091; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09942 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id KAA20957 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture(38.241.229.100) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma020952; Tue, 2 Jun 98 10:20:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980602102052.00aa01a0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:20:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Troutman Subject: cb600 = cb400f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That picture I uploaded..... ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone have any information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the US? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Michael J. Troutman Network Development Manager Wheat International Communications Corporation Reston, Virginia 703.262.9172 dir 703.262.9130 fax "Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:29:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07642; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28382; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10516 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p191.smart.net [206.97.127.191]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10712; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:38 -0400 Message-ID: <35740CE2.2C17C483@smart.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:32:03 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: cb600 = cb400f References: <3.0.32.19980602102052.00aa01a0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Didn't see the picture, but is that the same bike as the CB-1? I think '89 was the last year it was in production. I've been wrong many times before, however. Mike Troutman wrote: > That picture I uploaded..... > > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg > > a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone have any > information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the US? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:30:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07679; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28425; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10565 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygs5K-0006qt-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:42 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:03 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A6B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mike Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cb600 = cb400f Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Marcy, isn't that your bike (CB400)?? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Troutman [SMTP:mtroutma@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:21 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: cb600 = cb400f > > That picture I uploaded..... > > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg > > a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone > have any > information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the > US? > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Michael J. Troutman > Network Development Manager > Wheat International Communications Corporation > Reston, Virginia > 703.262.9172 dir > 703.262.9130 fax > > "Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:34:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07772; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28571; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10775 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA16805; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA30171; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602143349.DBRZ11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:33:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Whiteside, John" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602143349.DBRZ11142@[166.41.242.141]> Maybe they collected the information from public records, but do they have a right to sell the information? Is it their information? T Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:33 -0400 All the info Equifax is collecting is public records (accident reports, traffic citations, etc.), so I think you have no hope of stopping them. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:47 PM To: klthomas@XXXXXX Cc: Mersch, Tom; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Equifax Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially when no violation of law has been proven. Todd >Y'all-- > >I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >tickets issued or police report written. > >Equifax sucks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:39:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07875; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28729; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10943 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA07192 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199806021438.AA07192@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:52 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:52 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:35:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602080939.00fa9100@norloff.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME as part of the "Big Brother" initiative, all states are supposed to comply to a national driving records database (NDR) by Y2K or they will lose their highway funds. Essentially, that means that no matter where in the U.S. you are, there will be *one* driving record for you and whoever stops you can call that up on their screen and see every infraction you have in every state. The first phase was the commercial drivers record (CDR) and that went into effect nationally in 1990, then the states had ten years to submit their local databases to the national database for non-commerical drivers....you can thank the commerical drivers for this..they were notorious for having several drivers licenses from several states and would present whichever one had the least amount of offenses on it if they were stopped..it got so bad that the states decided they had to do something because of the public outcry of horrific accidents that the big rigs were being involved in. you can run but you can hide..big bro's watchin ya! 8-( -aki > And I bet the states love it. Now they don't have to talk to every other > state to find "bad" drivers, they just have to call a credit bureau. > > bleah, > Chris Norloff > > > At 05:28 PM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote: > >All the info Equifax is collecting is public records (accident reports, > >traffic citations, etc.), so I think you have no hope of stopping them. > > > >John Whiteside > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:47 PM > >To: klthomas@XXXXXX > >Cc: Mersch, Tom; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' > >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > > > > > > >Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? > >The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially > >when no violation of law has been proven. > > > >Todd > > > >>Y'all-- > >> > >>I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things > >>you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident > >>that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins > >>co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No > >>tickets issued or police report written. > >> > >>Equifax sucks > > > > > > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:41:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07904; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28810; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11002 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09532; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:41:24 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D042@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Mike Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cb600 = cb400f Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:41:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Mike, As Jeannette mentioned, the pic looks very similar to the Honda CB-1 (CB400). It was imported in 88 and 89, but did not sell overly well due to a poor pricetag in the wrong market (similar to what happened to the FJ1200's and now the RF900's). I know where one is at that runs like a bat out of hell, but it ain't all that pretty..let me know if you want a phone number... Collin > > > > a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone > > have any > > information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the > > US? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:47:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08066; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29020; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11160 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:47:04 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA07840 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:46:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199806021446.AA07840@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:46:44 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:46:44 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:46:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:44:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Fender Bender club -Reply To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME if you want a real FAST response by the local constabulary, also mention that you *think* he has a gun.... -aki > Bullets aren't the answer, and fisticuffs aren't either if he has > bullets. Finally, maybe we've found an actual use for a cell phone: > "Hello, police? there's a guy in a red Mustang, license number xxx-000, > and he's all over the road at Main and Broad heading west. I think he's > drunk." > Just a thought from someone trying to renounce his violent ways, > Joe > > >>> "Thomas W. Zell" - 6/2/98 1:18 AM >>> > Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta > fitting > that description driving a red Mustang. He was chasing another Mustang > down the Prince William Prkwy.... cut me off while motoring along a > quite a > good clip... I hit my hi-beams in response..only for a second as to warn > the driver that he was in the wrong. The kid went ape-shit and tried > waiting for me at the light... then got mad and went fish tailing down > the > intersecting crossroad when I made it clear that I wasn't going near > him(I > was howevewr more than pissed and was ready to put my fist through his > skull for scaring the crap outta Jeannette and I with his actions). > Probably good for both of us that I used my brain and avoided a > confrontation. Where the hell are the police when you really need them? > I > know... checking for god-damned county stickers!!! JERKS(not the > officers > themselves... the system that puts them out there)!!! > > -Tom > > At 12:21 AM 6/2/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: > >>Sounds like the asshole totally deserved it. Hope that nothing bad > comes of > >>it. > > > >I don't think so. Had he been able to follow me very far, it could have > > >been trouble. But I did have 30 miles of range left, which could have > >gotten me to any number of friendly homes. But it didn't come to that. > I > >think he lost me in this residential district I live in (St. Charles) > > > >I'm glad that neither of us had a gun. This happened the old fashioned > >way: lots of cursing and screaming. > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- > >-George Howell AMA#553567 > >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:50:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08137; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29100; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11309 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA10160 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:43:08 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:48:08 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:50:50 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: tgimer@XXXXXX, mtroutma@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cb600 = cb400f -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Don't forget the Honda Hawk--trick single-side swingarm, a sweet handler, looks great. A whole lotta character, especially for a Honda. Joe >>> "Thomas H. Gimer" - 6/2/98 10:32 AM >>> Didn't see the picture, but is that the same bike as the CB-1? I think '89 was the last year it was in production. I've been wrong many times before, however. Mike Troutman wrote: > That picture I uploaded..... > > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg > > a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone have any > information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the US? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 10:51:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08145; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29126; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11353 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygsPP-0000PR-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:51:27 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:49:48 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A73@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:50:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of Big Brother, I felt like I was in Nazi Germany last night when trying to get onto Route 66 from Arlington around 8PM. Two cops, lights flashing, were causing a huge traffic jam on the inramp flashing their flashlights at everyone who passed, waving us on SLOWLY. For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or something...NO!! THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of THIS!!?? George Orwell did predict this, didn't he? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:35 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Equifax > > > as part of the "Big Brother" initiative, all states are supposed > to comply to a national driving records database (NDR) by Y2K or > they will lose their highway funds. Essentially, that means that > no matter where in the U.S. you are, there will be *one* driving > record for you and whoever stops you can call that up on their > screen and see every infraction you have in every state. The > first phase was the commercial drivers record (CDR) and that went > into effect nationally in 1990, then the states had ten years to > submit their local databases to the national database for > non-commerical drivers....you can thank the commerical drivers > for this..they were notorious for having several drivers licenses > from several states and would present whichever one had the least > amount of offenses on it if they were stopped..it got so bad that > the states decided they had to do something because of the public > outcry of horrific accidents that the big rigs were being involved > in. > > you can run but you can hide..big bro's watchin ya! > > 8-( > > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:09:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08416; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29759; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11971 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256617.00538E43 ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:12:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256617.00531CB4.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:12:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or something...NO!! THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of THIS!!?? The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from the general population. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:19:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08520; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29982; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12456 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA05987; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA31325; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602151853.DJAW11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike choises X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602151853.DJAW11142@[166.41.242.141]> Well if yer seriously considering the TL1000S, you might check out the Ninja EX250. I hear it will blow by the TL on long distance races a-la 'tortoise and the hare'. ;-) Todd From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5f2ae723.35739802@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:13:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike choises Well, I think its come down to the CBR1100XX, the ZX-11, and the TL1000S. Im not too familiar with the TL1000S, but Ive ridden the zx, and rode with a xx, and Im gonna go shopping for one tomorrow(tuesday) and I wanted to know anyones final thoughts about any of these. Sean Petr Still Searching.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:19:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08524; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29979; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12454 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA16538; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:18:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA31273; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602151852.DJAS11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas W. Zell" CC: George Howell , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Fender Bender club X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602151852.DJAS11142@[166.41.242.141]> Do you have a cell phone? Get the creeps plates and call him in. I'd advise against any action that may be interpretted as aggression such as flashing your hi-beams at an obvious asshole. That's how simple stupidity escalates to head-on collisions with innocent drivers/riders. Just report the ignoid and let it go. Todd Tom Zell wrote: >Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting >that description driving a red Mustang. He was chasing another Mustang >down the Prince William Prkwy.... cut me off while motoring along a quite a >good clip... I hit my hi-beams in response..only for a second as to warn >the driver that he was in the wrong. The kid went ape-shit and tried >waiting for me at the light... then got mad and went fish tailing down the >intersecting crossroad when I made it clear that I wasn't going near him(I >was howevewr more than pissed and was ready to put my fist through his >skull for scaring the crap outta Jeannette and I with his actions). >Probably good for both of us that I used my brain and avoided a >confrontation. Where the hell are the police when you really need them? I >know... checking for god-damned county stickers!!! JERKS(not the officers >themselves... the system that puts them out there)!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:44:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08845; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01017; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.232.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13461 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA24257; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:43:33 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma024162; Tue, 2 Jun 98 11:43:28 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA21084; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:37:49 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256617.00549430 ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:23:49 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: sbeck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256617.005563B4.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:37:09 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Exactly. Although, on the other hand, it could be part of their "protect and serve" policy since they care sooo deeply about our well being and wouldn't want any dangerous vehicles out there on the roads ... No, that couldn't be the case, if it was, they wouldn't have such hefty fines ... It's a racket, chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 11:12:33 AM AST Subject: RE: Equifax For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or something...NO!! THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of THIS!!?? The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from the general population. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:57:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09088; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01622; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13802 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.111]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 326; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3573DA0E.E3250713@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:55:10 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles , TL LIST Subject: lemon law Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 times for repair still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or knowledge about lemon law other than hiring a lawyer??? Looking for helpful suggestions only.... Thanks Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 11:57:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09094; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01634; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13815 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygtQz-0004r1-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:09 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A7E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Christopher Meier'" , sbeck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:55:43 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm a law-abiding citizen, I pay my taxes, get my inspections done, get my tags, etc. What bothers me is this constant intrusion into our time!! I mean, here we are - at least 100 cars - being held up after 8PM on a Monday night. I just don't think that was right at all. BTW, they didn't score...no one got pulled over that I saw!! mwah ha ha ha - Jeannette > Exactly. > > Although, on the other hand, it could be part of their "protect and > serve" > policy since they care sooo deeply about our well being and wouldn't > want > any dangerous vehicles out there on the roads ... No, that couldn't be > the > case, if it was, they wouldn't have such hefty fines ... > > It's a racket, > chris > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:08:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09397; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01999; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14419 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygtbq-0005wz-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:08:22 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:06:38 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A82@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'jencraig'" , dc-cycles , TL LIST Subject: RE: lemon law Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:07:45 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I used to work for an attorney who told me that after 3 tries, they're out. Basically, the law somewhere, somehow says that they owe you if they can't get it fixed by 3 tries. I hope this helps...happened to me one time but I didn't use the lemon law...I should have. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: jencraig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 6:55 AM > To: dc-cycles; TL LIST > Subject: lemon law > > I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 > times > for repair > still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or > knowledge > about lemon law > other than hiring a lawyer??? > Looking for helpful suggestions only.... > Thanks Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:09:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09411; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02030; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14460 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA18304; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:08:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA30268; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:08:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602160842.CCQV7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:08:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Libertarian Views Was: I'm alive X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602160842.CCQV7401@[166.41.242.141]> It is also illegal to operate a motorized vehicle in an unsafe manner. If limited motor skills and/or poor eyesight are contributing factors to operating a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner, then it isn't a matter of discrimination but one of public safety. Otherwise, I agree with you. Todd (Don't Blame Me, I Vote Libertarian) >The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against >those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with >disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. > >Leon. > >Leon said: >> >Let's leave the roads >> >open to anyone anytime for any reason. >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:14:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09462; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02130; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14657 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:11 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256617.005979E4 ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256617.00595992.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:13 -0400 Subject: Re: lemon law Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 times for repair still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or knowledge about lemon law other than hiring a lawyer??? I'm not sure if lemon laws apply to motorcycles. If I were you, I would go the the dealer that can't seem to get the job done and tell the owner that you intend to hang out at his store and inform all potential buyers of the problems you have been having. I would be surprised if he doesn't make you his top priority after telling him that. Of course this will only work if you bought the bike from the dealer in question. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:15:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09477; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02170; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14722 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA10534; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA25944; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602161458.GTFV20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:14:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: I'm alive X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602161458.GTFV20960@[166.41.242.141]> >Well, sorry, but I hope you get hit by someone who can't see to drive >and not me. >I don't mean to be rude, but I do think liberalism can be stretched a >tad too far...as in this case. > >- Jeannette That's libertarianism, and it's not nice to hope someone gets hit under any circumstance (outside of hoping an enemy bites it). Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:16:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09484; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02208; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14751 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA21521; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:14:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA27044; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:14:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602161454.GTFS20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:14:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: jencraig CC: dc-cycles , TL LIST Subject: Re: lemon law X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602161454.GTFS20960@[166.41.242.141]> I think Jack had this very same problem with his TL. If you reported under warranty, you should be ok. Just don't let them pull some BMW stunt and tell you it was designed to leak! Todd >I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 times >for repair >still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or knowledge >about lemon law >other than hiring a lawyer??? >Looking for helpful suggestions only.... >Thanks Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:17:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09518; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02245; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14803 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygtkt-0006en-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:43 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A84@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, that is not what I said. I'm off this subject now. It's beginning to bore me. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 12:10 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: 'Leon Begeman'; dc-cycles > Subject: RE: I'm alive > > > >Well, sorry, but I hope you get hit by someone who can't see to drive > >and not me. > >I don't mean to be rude, but I do think liberalism can be stretched a > >tad too far...as in this case. > > > >- Jeannette > > That's libertarianism, and it's not nice to hope someone gets hit > under > any circumstance (outside of hoping an enemy bites it). > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:29:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09637; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02625; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snork_nt (known [162.70.129.114] [162.70.129.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15034 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806021629.MAA15034@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by localhost from snork_nt (router,WinSmtp -Win16- V1.07beta1.1.s(unregistered)); Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:28:17 PDT Received: from mooky by snork_nt (162.70.131.133::mail daemon; unverified,WinSmtp -Win16- V1.07beta1.1.s); Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:27:34 PDT Reply-To: From: "Mooky the Crusader!" To: "Dc-Cycles@Cs. Umd. Edu" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:30:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199806021446.AA07840@egate2.citicorp.com> Importance: Normal X-MailDaemon: Just adding a few comments of my own... Cell phones work great...if you're in a car. On a bike that is a limited option... I was in my MR2 on the beltway and this jerk side-swiped the front end of me doing about 30-40mph in heavy traffic as he did a testosterone-induced pass from the right...He mocked writing down the plate number in his mirror. I upped the ante and held up my cell phone and proceeded to call the MD State Police. They set up an unmarked cruiser ambush on I-95 for me and I followed the guy right into it and the police pulled him over. No ticket was issued (they say because of the "minor damage involved and nobody was hurt") but I got the satisfaction of getting him pulled over and an accident reported to his insurance company (which is in the progress of compensating me for having to get my front air dam repaired). As for flashing high-beams at assholes, here is a scary story that I heard soon after moving to the DC Area. Don't know if it's just folk tales meant to scare children or not, but the rumor goes that there are people in a gang that drive around at night with only parking lights on, and if you flash your highbeams at them they will follow you to whereever you stop and shoot you dead. Consequently I never flash my lights at people anymore...period. Concealed carry permits...isn't the operative word there "concealed"? --Keith ______________________________________________________________________ http://mason.gmu.edu/~kwiedema '87 MR2 MkI NA T-Top Gold 'CHVALRY' ICQ#: 10356340, AIM: Mooky8D '97 Ninja ZX-6E Bloodwine 'CNIHT' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:31:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09688; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02729; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15105 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07553; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:30:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'jencraig'" , dc-cycles , TL LIST Subject: RE: lemon law In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A82@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Which state? In VA, search for "lemon" at http://leg1.state.va.us/000/src.htm -- the on line Code of Virginia. The timeout is three tries, or once for "a serious safety defect", or "out of service due to repair for a cumulative total of thirty calendar days". See 59.1-207.13 at http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504?000+cod+59.1-207.13 Don't know if MD has their code on line. Don't even want to know about DC. Pete. On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I used to work for an attorney who told me that after 3 tries, they're > out. Basically, the law somewhere, somehow says that they owe you if > they can't get it fixed by 3 tries. I hope this helps...happened to me > one time but I didn't use the lemon law...I should have. > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jencraig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 6:55 AM > > To: dc-cycles; TL LIST > > Subject: lemon law > > > > I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 > > times > > for repair > > still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or > > knowledge > > about lemon law > > other than hiring a lawyer??? > > Looking for helpful suggestions only.... > > Thanks Craig > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:33:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09724; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02799; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15142 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07575; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:32:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: sbeck@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lemon law In-Reply-To: <85256617.00595992.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In VA: "Motor vehicle" means only passenger cars, pickup or panel trucks, motorcycles, self-propelled motorized chassis of motor homes and mopeds as those terms are defined in 46.2-100 and demonstrators or lease purchase vehicles with which a warranty was issued. So motorcycles are included. -ph On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > > I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 times > for repair > still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or knowledge > about lemon law > other than hiring a lawyer??? > > I'm not sure if lemon laws apply to motorcycles. If I were you, I would go > the the dealer that can't seem to get the job done and tell the owner that > you intend to hang out at his store and inform all potential buyers of the > problems you have been having. I would be surprised if he doesn't make you > his top priority after telling him that. > > Of course this will only work if you bought the bike from the dealer in > question. > > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:34:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09734; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02838; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15190 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28422; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:34:01 -0400 Message-ID: <35742953.46F84EA9@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:33:23 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm alive References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602081308.00fa8750@norloff.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff said: >But a person's priviledge to > drive ends when they cannot safely control their vehicle on a public road - > no matter what their age is. It needs to end just before that point - but that's where the problem is. Without daily testing (perhaps hourly for LD types like me) there is no way to identify these unsafe people. Therefore, my preference is toward personal responsiblity. The other direction leads to support of Equifax. Leon Long Distance - or was that Learning Disabled - rider. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:35:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09749; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02903; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15222 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain With apologies to Kirk, during rush hour the whole group does at least 45, some at 50+, and in about three years of commuting through the park I've never seen anyone pulled over for speed during the morning or afternoon rush. The one thing that does seem likely to get you pulled over and ticketed during the afternoon rush is waiting too long to merge into the single right lane that goes from Rock Creek Parkway and bears right to go up Beach Drive (there is a God). Tom Mersch > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [SMTP:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 8:44 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park > > Being fairly new to the area and in search of the best way into the > District from Montgomery County; today I took Beach Drive and the Rock > Creek and Potomac Parkway through Rock Creek Park. It was by far the > best way I've discovered, no traffic lights and twisty roads, what more > can I ask for on the way into the office. :) I don't know how it is > later in the day, but when I went through at 6:30 AM it was pretty > deserted. My question is: does anyone know how closely the police > enforce the speed limit. (I think the speed limit was either 25 or 35 > mph) I don't advocate wild abuse of speed limits, but most roads can be > traveled safely at speeds somewhat in excess of the limits, unless > Officer Friendly is waiting, radar gun in hand, to hand you a ticket. > > If anyone could help me out it would be appreciated. > > Thanks - Don B > > BTW - My computer folks told me they cleared up our E-mail problems and > now I should be receiving things once again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:35:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09756; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02922; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15236 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA01113; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:35:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA25112; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:34:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:34:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Christopher Meier'" , sbeck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that they may not be very interested in your time management needs when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). If citizens would complain more to both the police department and the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes that get away w/o paying when you do. In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would rather be doing something else. Todd I'm a law-abiding citizen, I pay my taxes, get my inspections done, get my tags, etc. What bothers me is this constant intrusion into our time!! I mean, here we are - at least 100 cars - being held up after 8PM on a Monday night. I just don't think that was right at all. BTW, they didn't score...no one got pulled over that I saw!! mwah ha ha ha - Jeannette > Exactly. > > Although, on the other hand, it could be part of their "protect and > serve" > policy since they care sooo deeply about our well being and wouldn't > want > any dangerous vehicles out there on the roads ... No, that couldn't be > the > case, if it was, they wouldn't have such hefty fines ... > > It's a racket, > chris > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:37:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09832; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03016; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15306 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA11923 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:29:55 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:37:40 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, jencraig@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: RE: lemon law -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sometimes, just threatening to invoke the lemon law will get some action. After SWMBO's nifty German cage woofed its third tranny in 25k miles, we started sniffing around for recourse. Composed a letter to American headquarters and asked both the dealer manager and the regional manager if they thought we should send it. "Hey, let us just buy that thing back!" Be cool, act like you got the cards. Joe 900 Ninja >>> "O'Brien, Jeannette" - 6/2/98 12:07 PM >>> I used to work for an attorney who told me that after 3 tries, they're out. Basically, the law somewhere, somehow says that they owe you if they can't get it fixed by 3 tries. I hope this helps...happened to me one time but I didn't use the lemon law...I should have. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: jencraig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 6:55 AM > To: dc-cycles; TL LIST > Subject: lemon law > > I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 > times > for repair > still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or > knowledge > about lemon law > other than hiring a lawyer??? > Looking for helpful suggestions only.... > Thanks Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:45:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09975; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03503; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15612 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yguBD-0000yL-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:44:55 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:43:17 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A89@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Backpack and Racing Seat... Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:44:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I commute to work on my bike (sometimes over 30 miles) & usually carry a heavy backpack which plays hell with my back on my new bike. My question is: since I have a single-seater that's incapable of really hooking the backpack on well with a bungee, is there any other way to strap my backpack to the back or do I have to settle with getting some packs or luggage attached to the bike, which I don't want to do...(?) Thanks! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 12:59:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10321; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04076; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16168 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:59:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:59:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Probably a mix of being low on general tax revenue, and high on money for law enforcement (Didn't big brother Bill push for and get more money for more police?), so they put the extra police where they can collect more revenue. Witness Arlington County making a big show on the evening news about how they are putting officers on BIKE PATHS to crack down on the various SERIOUS CRIMES that occur in that area, like not wearing a helmet or not having a registration sticker or spitting on the sidewalk. My God, how did we get along before? Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 11:13 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Equifax > > > For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or > something...NO!! > THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait > in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of > THIS!!?? > > The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from > the > general population. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:08:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10519; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04241; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16415 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA29337 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:07:57 -0400 Message-ID: <35743147.1A9D0329@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:07:19 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Backpack and Racing Seat... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A89@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about a tankbag? Is there some combination tankbag/backpack out there somewhere? My magnetic bag stays on with no additional straps, but the size is somewhat limited and I don't carry diskettes in it. The CD's seem to do ok though :-) Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > I commute to work on my bike (sometimes over 30 miles) & usually carry a > heavy backpack which plays hell with my back on my new bike. > My question is: since I have a single-seater that's incapable of really > hooking the backpack on well with a bungee, is there any other way to > strap my backpack to the back or do I have to settle with getting some > packs or luggage attached to the bike, which I don't want to do...(?) > > Thanks! > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:10:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10556; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04310; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16494 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18605 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:10:07 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:10:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Dc-Cycles@Cs. Umd. Edu'" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:10:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >Concealed carry permits...isn't the operative word there "concealed"? The reason for the permit is that one doesn't require a permit to carry unconcealed in Virginny. Just THINK of how the crowd at the mall will react... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:10:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10565; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04396; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16522 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygua5-00038Z-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:38 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:08:58 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A91@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:10:05 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Lucky me, I just bought a house in Arlington!! ; ) I must say, though, being a female runner I don't mind cops on running paths... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Mersch, Tom [SMTP:merscht@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:00 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Equifax > > > Probably a mix of being low on general tax revenue, and high on money > for > law enforcement (Didn't big brother Bill push for and get more money > for > more police?), so they put the extra police where they can collect > more > revenue. Witness Arlington County making a big show on the evening > news > about how they are putting officers on BIKE PATHS to crack down on the > various SERIOUS CRIMES that occur in that area, like not wearing a > helmet or > not having a registration sticker or spitting on the sidewalk. My > God, how > did we get along before? > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 11:13 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > > > For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or > > something...NO!! > > THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to > wait > > in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because > of > > THIS!!?? > > > > The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money > from > > the > > general population. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:15:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10639; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04658; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16645 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA11491; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:11:02 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers5-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma011078; Tue, 2 Jun 98 13:10:33 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA24218; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:04:55 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256617.005D1F0F ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:57:07 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256617.005CF223.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:11:11 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII First let me clarify that my comments are directed at the system, not the individual officers. I agree with you here Todd, they probably don't like it either. However, why the hell do we have to have stickers on our cars anyhow? If I don't pay the tax, they can printout my name and address and send a collections offical over to get it. Let the officers worry about crime. Similarly, I pay my IRS taxes each year too, but don't wear a lapel pin that says I did. I maintain that they make you put the sticker on there (assuming were talking county stickers, not inspection ones) just for the fact that you CAN get pulled over for it. Why? because americans value their driving privaledges and they want to hit you where it hurts. Seen any of the latest proposals out there to take away your license if you fall behind on alimony or childsupport, or as a teenager ditch or get suspended from school? Just because an agency CAN do it doesn't make it right. --chris PS. Todd, Virginians did complain about this in RECORD numbers last year, and even elected a new governor who "promised" to take care of it. Guess what ... he hasn't. And even worse, his current idea of how to take care of it, is not what he promised while campaigning and will take 5-8 years, with the bulk of the savings conveniently coming after he has left office. To: jlobrien@XXXXXX cc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US, sbeck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 12:27:00 PM AST Subject: RE: Equifax Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that they may not be very interested in your time management needs when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). If citizens would complain more to both the police department and the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes that get away w/o paying when you do. In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would rather be doing something else. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:27:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10811; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05040; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16944 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.64.237]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980602172654.RIF14006@rude>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:26:54 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980602132501.006b3c20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:25:01 -0400 To: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Equifax Cc: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <19980602143349.DBRZ11142@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Todd-- Equifax uses public records. The info belongs to anyone. Sell the info? No, they're selling the service of gathering the info. Face it, we're stuck. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:32:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10875; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05126; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17103 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6D3304024A; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:30:59 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602132015.0102f960@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:20:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <85256617.00531CB4.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or >something...NO!! >THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait >in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of >THIS!!?? > >The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from the >general population. That's a lousy way to check for tax stickers, but speaking as someone who pays his taxes, I say - catch those tax cheats! I'll pay my own taxes, but I don't want to have to pay extra taxes to make up for the tax cheats. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:32:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10879; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05133; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17106 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6D1304024A; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:31:00 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602133004.0103b760@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:30:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I'm alive In-Reply-To: <35742953.46F84EA9@illuminet.net> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A4C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602081308.00fa8750@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Chris Norloff said: >>But a person's priviledge to >> drive ends when they cannot safely control their vehicle on a public road - >> no matter what their age is. > >It needs to end just before that point - but that's where the problem >is. Without daily testing (perhaps hourly for LD types like me) there >is no way to identify these unsafe people. Therefore, my preference is >toward personal responsiblity. The other direction leads to support of >Equifax. >Leon And therein lies the rub. I, too, promote personal responsibility - but how do you compensate someone for loss of an arm or leg, or death? It can't be compensated, because money is the only way we can do it. So we insure and we sue. Equifax has the advantage of getting dangerous cagers off the road, if it works right. Remember the infamous Willis Curry? He's the dump truck driver who collects licenses and tickets like candy. He kept wrecking into things until he killed someone here in DC. So they let him off. Guess what, he kept driving! He got caught again and someone with an ounce of common sense put the bastard in jail awaiting trial. The jury found him guilty, but not willfully. They said he was basically too stupid to realize that speeding in an overloaded truck with bad brakes could kill someone. If we can get reprobates like this off the road permanently, and show that criminally irresponsible drivers are actually prosecuted, maybe we can cut down this "I'm insured so I couldn't care less about wrecking" attitiude. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:33:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10900; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05190; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17210 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3249 invoked from network); 2 Jun 1998 17:33:19 -0000 Received: from dyn01.pm1.leesburg.va.us.crosslink.net (HELO gwf) (206.246.86.97) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 1998 17:33:19 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01bd8e4d$2ba806e0$6156f6ce@gwf> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Summit Point Question Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:37:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Does anyone know the rule regarding dirt bikes at Summit Point? Sure, they have signs "No Off Road Vehicles", but I use but dirt bike to get to some of the secluded sections of the track with my camera, and to get around the paddock area when we are pitted there. The reason I ask, is a friend and fellow racer took mine over to turn 7 Monday during Cycle Sport Day and a fellow in a red truck pulled up and told him "No off road vehicles". Hey, if that's the rule, then I better see them telling everyone (dirt bikes, 4 wheelers, etc.), not a selected few. I see young kids, old kids, everyone ridding them. I don't go busting through the pits an 100 mph, nor do I have a Motorcross race across the fields, it just fun transportation. Your thoughts/comments welcome also. Gary W. Foreman `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR judgement to avoid situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR skills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:58:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11336; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05651; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18060 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA16104 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:57:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA19259 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980602175747.HJET20960@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:57:47 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:57:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bd8e4f$f1a62500$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602132015.0102f960@norloff.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Speaking of such things, I was delayed for a while last night going home at the top of the ramp coming off the 395 HOV lanes at the Springfield/Franconia Parkway. There were four motorcycle cops ticketing HOV scofflaws. The ramp is narrow and they had one lane closed off with those getting tickets. The car full of commuter drones ahead of me cheered for the cops as they went by. I am always happy to see the scofflaws get their due, I just wish the authorities could find a better way to do it. Plus, in defense of the law-breakers - there is no legal way to get directly from 95 to the Springfield/Franconia Parkway aka Fairfax County Parkway. The massive redesign that will occur over the next 10-15 years will construct one, but what a stupid way to build a new road. IMHO LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:20 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax >For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or >something...NO!! >THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait >in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of >THIS!!?? > >The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from the >general population. That's a lousy way to check for tax stickers, but speaking as someone who pays his taxes, I say - catch those tax cheats! I'll pay my own taxes, but I don't want to have to pay extra taxes to make up for the tax cheats. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 13:59:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11381; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05662; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18092 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Good intentions are wonderful. Results are what we really live with. What has been the big effect of an Equifax, or other, driver record database? Have a "significant" (please, no "IF one life is saved" stuff -- we don't know that any lives HAVE been saved) number of dangerous people lost their licenses, unable to get them in another jurisdiction? Has this really kept them off the road? On the other hand, have a significant number of people had their insurance premiums increased without good cause? > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:30 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > >Chris Norloff said: > >>But a person's priviledge to > >> drive ends when they cannot safely control their vehicle on a public > road - > >> no matter what their age is. > > > >It needs to end just before that point - but that's where the problem > >is. Without daily testing (perhaps hourly for LD types like me) there > >is no way to identify these unsafe people. Therefore, my preference is > >toward personal responsiblity. The other direction leads to support of > >Equifax. > >Leon > > And therein lies the rub. I, too, promote personal responsibility - but > how do you compensate someone for loss of an arm or leg, or death? It > can't be compensated, because money is the only way we can do it. So we > insure and we sue. > > Equifax has the advantage of getting dangerous cagers off the road, if it > works right. Remember the infamous Willis Curry? He's the dump truck > driver who collects licenses and tickets like candy. He kept wrecking > into > things until he killed someone here in DC. So they let him off. Guess > what, he kept driving! He got caught again and someone with an ounce of > common sense put the bastard in jail awaiting trial. The jury found him > guilty, but not willfully. They said he was basically too stupid to > realize that speeding in an overloaded truck with bad brakes could kill > someone. > > If we can get reprobates like this off the road permanently, and show that > criminally irresponsible drivers are actually prosecuted, maybe we can cut > down this "I'm insured so I couldn't care less about wrecking" attitiude. > > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:06:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11495; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05766; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18311 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEE12210276; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:05:21 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602140416.0100b300@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:04:16 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 6/2/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >>Concealed carry permits...isn't the operative word there "concealed"? > >The reason for the permit is that one doesn't require a permit to carry >unconcealed in Virginny. You just can't carry at all in some places, right? Places that serve or sell alcohol, I think. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:06:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11499; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05762; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18313 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEDE2210276; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:05:21 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602140724.0100ed30@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:07:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <85256617.005CF223.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:11 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >PS. Todd, Virginians did complain about this in RECORD numbers last year, >and even elected a new governor who "promised" to take care of it. Guess >what ... he hasn't. And even worse, his current idea of how to take care >of it, is not what he promised while campaigning and will take 5-8 years, >with the bulk of the savings conveniently coming after he has left office. Actually, Gilmore is doing close to what he said - phasing out the car tax over a period of years. He said that many times in his campaign - but too many people remember only the "No Car Tax" sound bite. So now Gilmore and the General Assembly have cut taxes and are borrowing money to have enough to run our schools. Wonderful. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:06:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11503; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05770; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18319 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEE02210276; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:05:20 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602135218.0100a770@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:52:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:59 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: >Witness Arlington County making a big show on the evening news >about how they are putting officers on BIKE PATHS to crack down on the >various SERIOUS CRIMES that occur in that area, like not wearing a helmet or >not having a registration sticker or spitting on the sidewalk. My God, how >did we get along before? Apparently there have been a number of bad accidents in Rosslyn when bicyclists run red lights. Helmets are required only for riders 14 years or younger (as I recall from a sign on the bike path last night). You don't mean registration stickers for bicycles, do you? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:07:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11517; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05793; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18344 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA12742 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:00:13 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:05:13 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:07:56 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point Question -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I know this rule exists at other tracks too, such as Brainerd MN, which has its own security officers in two cars not enforcing it. I=27ve seen the signs at Summit, but last time we were there (april 11) there was all manner of young=27uns on everything from 50cc motocrossers to ATVs to a KX 100(?) jetted so rich I=27m surprised they could keep it in plugs for the weekend. These grommets didn=27t seem deterred one bit by the = =22law,=22 and a couple of them were way too fast for the narrow infield road. I=27m surprised you got stopped. Guess if they=27re busting adults, you could run a dummy headlight and staple a plate to the back. Joe =2772 Aermacchi H-D SX 350 (Licensed & legal for infield use) >>> =22Gary Foreman=22 - 6/2/98 1:37 PM >>> Does anyone know the rule regarding dirt bikes at Summit Point? Sure, they have signs =22No Off Road Vehicles=22, but I use but dirt bike to get to some of the secluded sections of the track with my camera, and to get around the paddock area when we are pitted there. The reason I ask, is a friend and fellow racer took mine over to turn 7 Monday during Cycle Sport Day and a fellow in a red truck pulled up and told him =22No off road vehicles=22. Hey, if that=27s the rule, then I better = see them telling everyone (dirt bikes, 4 wheelers, etc.), not a selected few. I see young kids, old kids, everyone ridding them. I don=27t go busting through the pits an 100 mph, nor do I have a Motorcross race across the fields, it just fun transportation. Your thoughts/comments welcome also. Gary W. Foreman `..=B8=B8..=B4=AF`..=B8=B8..=B4=AF`..=B8=B8..=B4=AF`..=B8=B8..=B4=AF`..=B8= =B8..=B4=AF`..=B8=B8..=B4=AF`..=B8 A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR judgement to avoid situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR skills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:19:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11624; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06048; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18657 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:18:59 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA21258 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:18:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199806021818.AA21258@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:18:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:18:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:18:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:16:41 -0400 Subject: RE: I'm alive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME You bring up an interesting point...a very large percentage of really bad habitual offenders routinely drive on a suspended or revoked license anyway...it's kinda like the old saying "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"....you think the common gun toting criminal purchases a gun legally? The same holds true for the habitual offender on the roads..the REALLY scary part was what the Va State Police announced to DMV employees about 5 years ago... that they suspect,(the numbers could be higher), that 1 out of every ten cars on the road is being driven by someone who isn't legally allowed to do so for one reason or another (expired plates, no taxes paid, unsafe vehicle, suspended/revoked license, restricted license etc.), and that because of the loose communications infrastructure between D.C. Maryland and Virginia, 1 out of every 25 cars are being driven by people who have been decreed by court order NOT to drive! Also, if mental stability was a prerequisite, 25% of the licensed drivers in this area probably would not be issued a license! Keep that in mind the next time you're on the beltway.. 8-P cheers, -aki > > Good intentions are wonderful. Results are what we really live with. What > has been the big effect of an Equifax, or other, driver record database? > Have a "significant" (please, no "IF one life is saved" stuff -- we don't > know that any lives HAVE been saved) number of dangerous people lost their > licenses, unable to get them in another jurisdiction? Has this really kept > them off the road? On the other hand, have a significant number of people > had their insurance premiums increased without good cause? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:30 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: I'm alive > > > > >Chris Norloff said: > > >>But a person's priviledge to > > >> drive ends when they cannot safely control their vehicle on a public > > road - > > >> no matter what their age is. > > > > > >It needs to end just before that point - but that's where the problem > > >is. Without daily testing (perhaps hourly for LD types like me) there > > >is no way to identify these unsafe people. Therefore, my preference is > > >toward personal responsiblity. The other direction leads to support of > > >Equifax. > > >Leon > > > > And therein lies the rub. I, too, promote personal responsibility - but > > how do you compensate someone for loss of an arm or leg, or death? It > > can't be compensated, because money is the only way we can do it. So we > > insure and we sue. > > > > Equifax has the advantage of getting dangerous cagers off the road, if it > > works right. Remember the infamous Willis Curry? He's the dump truck > > driver who collects licenses and tickets like candy. He kept wrecking > > into > > things until he killed someone here in DC. So they let him off. Guess > > what, he kept driving! He got caught again and someone with an ounce of > > common sense put the bastard in jail awaiting trial. The jury found him > > guilty, but not willfully. They said he was basically too stupid to > > realize that speeding in an overloaded truck with bad brakes could kill > > someone. > > > > If we can get reprobates like this off the road permanently, and show that > > criminally irresponsible drivers are actually prosecuted, maybe we can cut > > down this "I'm insured so I couldn't care less about wrecking" attitiude. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:19:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11633; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06076; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18673 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A1DA20D0290; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:18:05 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602141541.01013100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:15:41 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <000401bd8e4f$f1a62500$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980602132015.0102f960@norloff.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:57 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: >Speaking of such things, I was delayed for a while last night going home at >the top of the ramp coming off the 395 HOV lanes at the >Springfield/Franconia Parkway. There were four motorcycle cops ticketing >HOV scofflaws. The ramp is narrow and they had one lane closed off with >those getting tickets. The car full of commuter drones ahead of me cheered >for the cops as they went by. I am always happy to see the scofflaws get >their due, I just wish the authorities could find a better way to do it. I go through routine stops getting off 66 in Falls Church during HOV times. Personally, I have to admit I like it. There's seldom any backup. And it was fun to watch an officer start to lose his cool when he was talking with me and people tried to go around him on both shoulders!! The only part I don't like is that my tax sticker is hard to see, 'cause it's around toward the back of the fork leg - too many stickers and too little fork leg. To make it MORE difficult, the new green stickers are translucent, and since the logical place to put it is over last year's red sticker, the new green one doesn't look very green. I was questioned about this last night until cars came behind. I carry the receipt, but what a pain. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:19:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11638; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06081; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18677 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A1DE20D0290; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:18:06 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602142126.01013960@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:21:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: I'm alive In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:59 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: > >Good intentions are wonderful. Results are what we really live with. Agreed. Life is full of unintentional results. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and all that. >What >has been the big effect of an Equifax, or other, driver record database? >Have a "significant" (please, no "IF one life is saved" stuff -- we don't >know that any lives HAVE been saved) number of dangerous people lost their >licenses, unable to get them in another jurisdiction? Has this really kept >them off the road? Unknown. I suspect it's been responsible for identifying bad drivers who try to skirt state laws by going to other states. Commercial truckers, back in the days of multiple licenses, multiple outstanding tickets, and coast-to-coast on a handful of bennies, were so out of control that we now have the Commercial Drivers License and a lot of communication among states. >On the other hand, have a significant number of people >had their insurance premiums increased without good cause? I'm sure many would think that premiums were increased with good cause, in that the tickets were not unconsidered out of ignorance. But I'll never say that a ticket for 56 in a 55 is good cause to raise premiums. There's so much good and bad with something like this. I think the best is to keep working with it to get the scumbags off the road, and intrude as little as possible on law-abiding citizens. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:28:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11810; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06339; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18949 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19460; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:28:33 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D04B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Gary Foreman'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Summit Point Question Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:28:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Gary, Do to insurance reasons, they don't allow off road vehicles out there. Unfortunately, there is generally no one able to enforce it. At the riders meeting, the race director asked all of us folks to help police it ourselves, and that any pit bike must have rider numbers and stay in the paddock. On Cycle Sport's track day, they were doing some construction back in there, and the guy that stopped you was affilliated with the track owners moreso than with the track day.... 9 times out of 10, no one will say anything, but occasionally, they will.... Hope you enjoyed the day at the track... Did you ride on the track as well?? Which bike? > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [SMTP:gforeman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 1:43 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Summit Point Question > > Does anyone know the rule regarding dirt bikes at Summit Point? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:32:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11919; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06476; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known vulture.wheatintl.com [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19092 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 326; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:31:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980602142934.00a11a40@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:31:35 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" isnt that what the lottery is for :-) We just need more lotto ticket purchasing, fewer payouts, and everythings gonna work out fine :P At 02:07 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 01:11 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >>PS. Todd, Virginians did complain about this in RECORD numbers last year, >>and even elected a new governor who "promised" to take care of it. Guess >>what ... he hasn't. And even worse, his current idea of how to take care >>of it, is not what he promised while campaigning and will take 5-8 years, >>with the bulk of the savings conveniently coming after he has left office. > > >Actually, Gilmore is doing close to what he said - phasing out the car tax >over a period of years. He said that many times in his campaign - but too >many people remember only the "No Car Tax" sound bite. > >So now Gilmore and the General Assembly have cut taxes and are borrowing >money to have enough to run our schools. Wonderful. > >Chris Norloff > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Mike Troutman South Park / Simpsons / Quake Addict (h)703.830.7733 (p)703.660.3098 http://www.troutman.org "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no life guard. " ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:34:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11947; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06508; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19153 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04339 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:34:36 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:34:36 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:34:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT >You just can't carry at all in some places, right? Places that serve or >sell alcohol, I think. Correct - there are a number of places where one may not carry (concealed or otherwise). Places that merely sell alcohol have been deemed OK as long as there is no license to consume on premises - i.e. it's OK to carry into Safeway or the 7-11, but NOT Harry's Bar & Girl Additionally, any private property (stores are private property) where the owner has posted his (or her) desire that you not carry (it is their property, after all) Michael (carrying (sometimes)) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:35:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11957; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06518; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19157 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Good News Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:34:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Okay, folks. I hate to break in with good news in the middle of all the grousing (especially when I was having so much fun grousing). Yesterday, one of the accesses to northbound Rock Creek Parkway (where you could also try for Penn Ave or the Whitehurst Freeway) was closed with no warning. This prompted several cages, and one motorcyclist who shall remain nameless, to cut through the orange cones and attempt to backtrack to a place where we could get over the median and go back to a different Parkway access (result: wrong way on a one way street). Naturally, at the same time a DC cop showed up and pulled over the two cages and one motorcycle that hadn't quite made it to or through the cutout in the median yet. After getting license and registration from the cagers, she pointed at me and said "license and registration" while on her way back to the cruiser. I'm getting to the good news part. After writing tickets for the cagers and waiting for them to disappear, she came up to me and said "go ahead." I wonder if she was the same woman cop who helped another of our listers get out of a ticket for an illegal left turn onto the Whitehurst recently? Tom Mersch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:45:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12115; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06740; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19488 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ygw3w-0003VU-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:45:32 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:43:34 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AA3@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Good News Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:44:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Not everyone hates us!! : ) > After writing tickets for the cagers and waiting for them to > disappear, she > came up to me and said "go ahead." > > I wonder if she was the same woman cop who helped another of our > listers get > out of a ticket for an illegal left turn onto the Whitehurst recently? > > Tom Mersch > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:46:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12121; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06765; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19503 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA23192; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma023107; Tue, 2 Jun 98 14:45:49 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:47:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: I'm alive Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:47:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain No, this is not correct. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:08 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I'm alive The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 14:48:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12144; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06802; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19588 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA23469; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma023388; Tue, 2 Jun 98 14:47:30 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Is it "their" information? It's public information, so by definition it's theirs, and mine, and yours, and everyone's. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:24 AM To: Whiteside, John Cc: 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Equifax Maybe they collected the information from public records, but do they have a right to sell the information? Is it their information? T Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:28:33 -0400 All the info Equifax is collecting is public records (accident reports, traffic citations, etc.), so I think you have no hope of stopping them. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:47 PM To: klthomas@XXXXXX Cc: Mersch, Tom; MR2 Mailing List; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Equifax Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially when no violation of law has been proven. Todd >Y'all-- > >I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >tickets issued or police report written. > >Equifax sucks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 15:10:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12353; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07141; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20255 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21507 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D04C@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: conceal laws: RE: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:10:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm not sure about here, but every state I've dealt with also prohibits carry of any sort in federal buildings. This includes the ole post office. Some states specifically mention banks, but many banks just have signs stating no carrying of guns which falls in with what Mike J mentioned below. Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 2:44 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Fender Bender club > > >You just can't carry at all in some places, right? Places that serve or > >sell alcohol, I think. > > Correct - there are a number of places where one may not carry > (concealed or otherwise). > > Places that merely sell alcohol have been deemed OK as long as there is > no license to consume on premises - i.e. it's OK to carry into Safeway > or the 7-11, but NOT Harry's Bar & Girl > > Additionally, any private property (stores are private property) where > the owner has posted his (or her) desire that you not carry (it is their > property, after all) > > Michael (carrying (sometimes)) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 15:56:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12952; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07738; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21485 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8AF34E024A; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:55:27 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602155852.0104e8e0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:58:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Silly MC Parking Meters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Our motorcycle parking area got metered two days ago. There's one with 2 hr. per quarter There's four with 90 min. per quarter The rest are 1 hr. per quarter. And they added one meter for the area past the last parking slot, and past the sign. Which is a real bummer because that's where I like to park the sidecar rig - pay for the cycle and let the sidecar hang into the not-a-parking-space area. fact is stranger than fiction, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 15:56:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12956; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07740; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21483 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8AE34E024A; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:55:26 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602155446.0104fc70@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:54:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980602142934.00a11a40@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:31 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >isnt that what the lottery is for :-) > >We just need more lotto ticket purchasing, fewer payouts, and everythings >gonna work out fine :P Yeah! Where's that money going anyway? You sure never hear about the millions of dollars generated for the gov'ts running these lottos. Lotteries are a tax on people who are bad at math, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:09:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13218; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07990; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22006 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-217-202.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.217.202]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16339; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602160334.006919c8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:03:34 -0400 To: "Christopher Meier", sbeck@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256617.005563B4.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" They weren't looking at inspection stickers... they were looking at COUNTY STICKERS!!! They're trying to catch folks who can't afford to pay the stupid property tax on vehicles. This is a REAL racket... unfortunately looks like we're all stuck with it despite the illusion that Gilmore presented at election time. -Tom At 11:37 AM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: > > > > >Exactly. > >Although, on the other hand, it could be part of their "protect and serve" >policy since they care sooo deeply about our well being and wouldn't want >any dangerous vehicles out there on the roads ... No, that couldn't be the >case, if it was, they wouldn't have such hefty fines ... > >It's a racket, >chris > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: sbeck@XXXXXX >Date: 06/02/98 11:12:33 AM AST >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > > >For a minute I thought they were looking for an escaped convict or >something...NO!! >THEY WERE CHECKING INSPECTION STICKERS/TAGS!! Hello!! We have to wait >in rush hour, then we get trapped in rush-hour like traffic because of >THIS!!?? >The county must be low on funds and they need to extort more money from the >general population. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:10:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13238; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08023; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22064 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-217-202.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.217.202]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02431; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602161007.006cfae8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:10:07 -0400 To: , "Dc-Cycles@Cs. Umd. Edu" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: <199806021629.MAA15034@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <199806021446.AA07840@egate2.citicorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That story is nothing more than folk lore. Having the permit allows you to basically keep a loaded gun on your person... when yucked in his jeans... Lenzy's weapon is concealed... When he's riding on the highway, his jackets slides up and there you go... it makes for a rather good warning to evil-doers!! -Tom At 12:30 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Mooky the Crusader! wrote: > >Just adding a few comments of my own... > >Cell phones work great...if you're in a car. On a bike that is a limited >option... >I was in my MR2 on the beltway and this jerk side-swiped the front end of me >doing about 30-40mph in heavy traffic as he did a testosterone-induced pass >from the right...He mocked writing down the plate number in his mirror. I >upped the ante and held up my cell phone and proceeded to call the MD State >Police. They set up an unmarked cruiser ambush on I-95 for me and I >followed the guy right into it and the police pulled him over. No ticket >was issued (they say because of the "minor damage involved and nobody was >hurt") but I got the satisfaction of getting him pulled over and an accident >reported to his insurance company (which is in the progress of compensating >me for having to get my front air dam repaired). > >As for flashing high-beams at assholes, here is a scary story that I heard >soon after moving to the DC Area. Don't know if it's just folk tales meant >to scare children or not, but the rumor goes that there are people in a gang >that drive around at night with only parking lights on, and if you flash >your highbeams at them they will follow you to whereever you stop and shoot >you dead. Consequently I never flash my lights at people anymore...period. > >Concealed carry permits...isn't the operative word there "concealed"? > >--Keith >______________________________________________________________________ >http://mason.gmu.edu/~kwiedema '87 MR2 MkI NA T-Top Gold 'CHVALRY' >ICQ#: 10356340, AIM: Mooky8D '97 Ninja ZX-6E Bloodwine 'CNIHT' > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:25:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13525; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08307; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22488 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-217-202.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.217.202]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06890; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602161655.006d05c4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:16:55 -0400 To: Todd Peer , "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax Cc: "'Christopher Meier'" , sbeck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. -Tom At 12:27 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > > Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that > they may not be very interested in your time management needs > when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did > not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and > was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got > to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run > from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of > them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). > > If citizens would complain more to both the police department and > the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this > kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes > that get away w/o paying when you do. > > In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this > sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would > rather be doing something else. > > Todd > >I'm a law-abiding citizen, I pay my taxes, get my inspections done, get >my tags, etc. What bothers me is this constant intrusion into our >time!! I mean, here we are - at least 100 cars - being held up after >8PM on a Monday night. I just don't think that was right at all. BTW, >they didn't score...no one got pulled over that I saw!! >mwah ha ha ha > >- Jeannette > > > > >> Exactly. >> >> Although, on the other hand, it could be part of their "protect and >> serve" >> policy since they care sooo deeply about our well being and wouldn't >> want >> any dangerous vehicles out there on the roads ... No, that couldn't be >> the >> case, if it was, they wouldn't have such hefty fines ... >> >> It's a racket, >> chris >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:37:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13743; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08562; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22917 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A23A6990292; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:36:10 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602163924.01047210@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:39:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602161655.006d05c4@pop.mindspring.com> References: <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your 8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:50:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13914; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08800; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23330 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id QAA08640; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma008576; Tue, 2 Jun 98 16:49:35 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain You know, even with the car tax, Virginia is a low-tax state. The car tax is an exceptionally stupid way to collect taxes, but I am still paying significantly less than I did in DC, Massachusetts, Connecticut, or New York. (Two of those four states also had car taxes, along with higher sales taxes, higher income taxes, higher property taxes, etc.) To give you a $600 tax bill, that eight year old car had to have a value somewhere in the $12,000 range -- which makes it not exactly basic transportation. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 4:17 PM To: Todd Peer; O'Brien, Jeannette Cc: 'Christopher Meier'; sbeck@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. -Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 16:54:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13996; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08858; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23421 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:54:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WKSIa14706 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:53:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TL1000R Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 SOrry about the mix up, the bikes were a zx-11, cbr xx, and the tl100r. I went and looked at all of them today, had a few questions answered thanks to some non-helpful sales people and think I found my winner. I decided on the tl100r, Im gonna give it a week to let it sink in and just see... The xx went for 11499, the zx I didnt even get a price on, and the tl went for 9499. cant beat the price, and the only helpful salesman is giving me a great deal with helmet, cover, and some leathers. So, give it a week and I can once again join the group rides. Sean Petr TL1000R (Maybe?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:14:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14491; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09749; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24064 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p38dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.70]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13878; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35746BB1.E4922C67@smart.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:16:34 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh man, I would go with the S. Why hide that awesome looking motor under plastic? Also, the R model is new this year....bound to have some intro-year problems (like the S of last year). Do you mean that you didn't sign the deal and are waiting a week to make sure you're making the right decision? Smart move if that's what you did. Tough to do that with a high-pressure sales team. Where are you purchasing from? CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > SOrry about the mix up, the bikes were a zx-11, cbr xx, and the tl100r. I > went and looked at all of them today, had a few questions answered thanks to > some non-helpful sales people and think I found my winner. I decided on the > tl100r, Im gonna give it a week to let it sink in and just see... The xx went > for 11499, the zx I didnt even get a price on, and the tl went for 9499. cant > beat the price, and the only helpful salesman is giving me a great deal with > helmet, cover, and some leathers. So, give it a week and I can once again > join the group rides. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:18:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14526; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09897; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24135 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA04391; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35746BE2.37E47852@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:17:22 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: County taxes was Re: Equifax References: <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]> <3.0.1.32.19980602163924.01047210@norloff.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it depreciated 10% per year, it would have started at $25K. A current $25K car isn't much. Karen's minivan cost more than that last year. Leon one of DMV's 10%ers - or was that a different thread? Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: > >HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that > >couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head > >and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still > >charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm > >in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's > >the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > > Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your > 8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:28:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14816; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10130; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known vulture.wheatintl.com [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24369 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 346; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:27:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980602172719.009d4ae0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:27:35 -0400 To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since when is a car that costs $12k new not basic transportation (at least in this area)? At 04:50 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >You know, even with the car tax, Virginia is a low-tax state. The car tax is >an exceptionally stupid way to collect taxes, but I am still paying >significantly less than I did in DC, Massachusetts, Connecticut, or New >York. (Two of those four states also had car taxes, along with higher sales >taxes, higher income taxes, higher property taxes, etc.) > >To give you a $600 tax bill, that eight year old car had to have a value >somewhere in the $12,000 range -- which makes it not exactly basic >transportation. > >John Whiteside > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 4:17 PM >To: Todd Peer; O'Brien, Jeannette >Cc: 'Christopher Meier'; sbeck@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Equifax > > >HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > >-Tom > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Mike Troutman South Park / Simpsons / Quake Addict (h)703.830.7733 (p)703.660.3098 http://www.troutman.org "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no life guard. " ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:30:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14852; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10181; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24425 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26501; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602172954.006df9ec@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:29:54 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602163924.01047210@norloff.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980602161655.006d05c4@pop.mindspring.com> <19980602163459.CGJY7401@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! -Tom At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > > >Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:39:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15002; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10337; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24701 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id RAA14835; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma014704; Tue, 2 Jun 98 17:38:30 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:39:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He wasn't talking about a new car, he was talking about an 8 year old car. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:28 PM To: Whiteside, John; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Since when is a car that costs $12k new not basic transportation (at least in this area)? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:41:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15033; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10373; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24737 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id RAA15239; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma015172; Tue, 2 Jun 98 17:41:02 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:42:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: County taxes was Re: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:42:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain But if you're so poor you can't pay your taxes, you can buy a new car for more like $10-15K, or a used car for even less. John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:17 PM To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: County taxes was Re: Equifax If it depreciated 10% per year, it would have started at $25K. A current $25K car isn't much. Karen's minivan cost more than that last year. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:45:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15067; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10491; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24782 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA02004; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806022146.RAA02004@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: lemon law To: jencraig@XXXXXX (jencraig) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3573DA0E.E3250713@tidalwave.net> from "jencraig" at Jun 2, 98 11:55:10 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Subject: lemon law > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I have had a re-occuring leak on my 97' bike and into the dealer 4 times > for repair > still leaking all within a year...does anyone have any exp. or knowledge > about lemon law > other than hiring a lawyer??? > Looking for helpful suggestions only.... > Thanks Craig > I thought you are driving TL, not a H-D.. ( sorry, couldn't resist ). Glad to see you back on list; sorry to hear that it is not fixed. Look on the web for Consumer Digest they usually have a lotsa of info; also do a search on Yahoo for "lemon law". _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:47:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15090; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10606; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24862 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id RAA15890; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma015877; Tue, 2 Jun 98 17:47:15 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:48:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:48:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Then why was the bill $600?!?!? John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:30 PM To: Chris Norloff; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! -Tom At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > > >Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:50:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15122; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10664; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24930 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16221; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602175007.006e61fc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:50:07 -0400 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: TL1000R In-Reply-To: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Read the right up's on it first. That thing in more like the gixxer750 than the TL1000 and seems to require a lot of setup to work for the rider. The TL may be a better street going motorcycle than the TL-R. The TL doesn't look anywhere near as cool as the TL-R though IMO. If the TL-R is what you're thinking about though then you may as well look at a RR, ZX9R, or R1(next season because there are none available). -Tom At 04:53 PM 6/2/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >SOrry about the mix up, the bikes were a zx-11, cbr xx, and the tl100r. I >went and looked at all of them today, had a few questions answered thanks to >some non-helpful sales people and think I found my winner. I decided on the >tl100r, Im gonna give it a week to let it sink in and just see... The xx went >for 11499, the zx I didnt even get a price on, and the tl went for 9499. cant >beat the price, and the only helpful salesman is giving me a great deal with >helmet, cover, and some leathers. So, give it a week and I can once again >join the group rides. > >Sean Petr >TL1000R (Maybe?) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:51:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15134; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10692; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24962 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22420; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602175128.006e3f6c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:51:28 -0400 To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That was my TransAm.. daily transportation. -Tom At 04:50 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >You know, even with the car tax, Virginia is a low-tax state. The car tax is >an exceptionally stupid way to collect taxes, but I am still paying >significantly less than I did in DC, Massachusetts, Connecticut, or New >York. (Two of those four states also had car taxes, along with higher sales >taxes, higher income taxes, higher property taxes, etc.) > >To give you a $600 tax bill, that eight year old car had to have a value >somewhere in the $12,000 range -- which makes it not exactly basic >transportation. > >John Whiteside > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 4:17 PM >To: Todd Peer; O'Brien, Jeannette >Cc: 'Christopher Meier'; sbeck@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Equifax > > >HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > >-Tom > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 17:57:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15217; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10844; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25111 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20808; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602175650.006e6aa8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:56:50 -0400 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: TL1000R Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35746BB1.E4922C67@smart.net> References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In addition.. you may want to look at a Gixxer750... a proven beast!!!! 900RR killer, etc. since you seem to be leaning in that direction. The TL-R is a "pure race bike" as Suzuki puts it. -Tom Zell At 05:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >Oh man, I would go with the S. Why hide that awesome looking motor under >plastic? Also, the R model is new this year....bound to have some intro-year >problems (like the S of last year). > >Do you mean that you didn't sign the deal and are waiting a week to make sure >you're making the right decision? Smart move if that's what you did. Tough to do >that with a high-pressure sales team. Where are you purchasing from? > >CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > >> SOrry about the mix up, the bikes were a zx-11, cbr xx, and the tl100r. I >> went and looked at all of them today, had a few questions answered thanks to >> some non-helpful sales people and think I found my winner. I decided on the >> tl100r, Im gonna give it a week to let it sink in and just see... The xx went >> for 11499, the zx I didnt even get a price on, and the tl went for 9499. cant >> beat the price, and the only helpful salesman is giving me a great deal with >> helmet, cover, and some leathers. So, give it a week and I can once again >> join the group rides. > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:01:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15316; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10996; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25198 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09900; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602180042.006e8734@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:00:42 -0400 To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: County taxes was Re: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It wasn't a matter of being "poor" so to speak, but a matter of having priorities. My woman at the time went basically nuts and could not work so it was up to me to keep it all together. That meant paying for her meds, and hospital stuff, in addition to a car payment, rent, gas, elect., FOOD, etc. -Tom At 05:42 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >But if you're so poor you can't pay your taxes, you can buy a new car for >more like $10-15K, or a used car for even less. > >John Whiteside > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:17 PM >To: Chris Norloff >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: County taxes was Re: Equifax > > >If it depreciated 10% per year, it would have started at $25K. A >current $25K car isn't much. Karen's minivan cost more than that last >year. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:02:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15338; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11067; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25232 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22991; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602180234.006e8c10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:02:34 -0400 To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Becaus it's Fairfax Cnty I guess... the county makes up the tax rate, not the state. Fortunately, life is much, much better now!! And that bill did not include my CB750 at the time. -Tom At 05:48 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >Then why was the bill $600?!?!? > >John Whiteside > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:30 PM >To: Chris Norloff; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Equifax > > >It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! > >-Tom > >At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >> >> >>Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >>8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! >> >>Chris Norloff >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:21:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15586; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11405; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25698 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:21:03 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUERa08936 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:20:24 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: lemon law Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-02 12:20:53 EDT, you write: << I think Jack had this very same problem with his TL. If you reported under warranty, you should be ok. Just don't let them pull some BMW stunt and tell you it was designed to leak! >> Actually I have NOT had this problem but it is fairly common on the 97 S models. Plus, I dont believe lemon laws apply to bikes. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:30:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15724; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11500; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25935 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-245.s245.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.245]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02562; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35747D5F.538621B8@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:31:59 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas W. Zell" CC: "Thomas H. Gimer" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602175650.006e6aa8@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd have to disagree with that a little bit Tom. From the factory, the TL-R is a bit on the heavy side. They designed the frame for world superbike competition without the need for heavy mosification/stiffening like the other brands. It's torque curve is downright flat (very high, but flat) so you don't get that kick in the but feel of the TL-S, but it should pull hard from any rev range. >From the one I saw at cycle sport, it looks liveable on comfort compared to the S model, but the XX and ZX are probably both better for the longer sporty trips. Don't know what Tom G. is talking about hiding that awesome motor...the TL's motor is pretty boring looking...granted the S model's frame is a little neater looking though. As for intro year problems, it's not a true entry year model...the S was the entry year model for the most part. They've got most of the engine/FI bugs worked out, they've made some changes to the rear suspension setup to make it a pretty awsome unit (rotary damper and all), and they through it in more or less a heavy GSXR frame...also very proven. I really don't expect that many bugs out of the R model this year...but we'll see... If you do end up with the R model, give us a report...I'd love to hear all about how they feel from a "real" person rather than a moto-journalist. Speaking of that, remember when motorcyclist and cycle world used to use test riders ranging from expert racers down to fairly novice riders so you could get a good impression of the bike??? I really miss that... I always thought it more valuable to see what a moderate level rider like me thought of the various bikes rather then what joe expert thought of it as a track only bike. Speaking of RR killers, my stock race bike had no trouble eating the RR's up except at the very top, but that's cause I couldn't pull top speed due to my steering problems....the R1 didn't pull away too very hard either... Thomas W. Zell wrote: > TL-R is a "pure race bike" as Suzuki puts it. > -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:48:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15976; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11641; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26311 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p38dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.70]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17044; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:21 -0400 Message-ID: <357481CB.41616B14@smart.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:50:52 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: "Thomas W. Zell" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602175650.006e6aa8@pop.mindspring.com> <35747D5F.538621B8@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin: You're right, the motor itself isn't awesome looking....its the exposed look that I am attracted to. As far as originality is concerned, the S model definitely has it, IMHO. Sounds like you impressed plenty of folks out at Summit. Didn't surprise some of us one bit. I hope I can get out to see your next attempt. Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Don't know what Tom G. is talking about hiding that awesome motor...the > TL's motor is pretty boring looking...granted the S model's frame is a > little neater looking though. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 18:49:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15981; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11647; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26315 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA05314; Tue, 2 Jun 98 18:47:32 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 v2.11); 2 Jun 98 15:48:19 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 v2.10); 2 Jun 98 15:48:04 -0800 Received: from vrc_reflib (157.187.160.121) by BAYVIEW (Mercury/32 v2.11); 2 Jun 98 15:47:58 -0800 From: "Bruce Dimon, A&T Engineering, VECTOR Research" To: "Burger, Donald " , "DC Cycles (IPM Return requested)" Subject: RE: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:47:17 -0700 Message-Id: <001301bd8e78$65df61c0$79a0bb9d@vrc_reflib.verticalreality> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Importance: Normal Several years ago, my cousin found out that they do enforce the Rock Creek Parkway speed limits. She also discovered that being a well-respected doctor driving a fancy Jaguar will not keep you out of jail if you do not have your driver's license. She was flying low (maybe 50 or 55MPH) late at night. Two other things she found out: the answers to the questions: "Do you know who I am?" and "Who's in charge here?" are "I don't care." and "Sit down and be quiet, Ma'am." That said, do the police dare to enforce the limit during rush hour? It seems pretty dangerous to pull somebody over during the rush. Maybe that's why they want photo radar. Has anybody been pulled over during rush hour while "going with the flow?" I always assumed the cops did not want to pick anybody out of the pack, no matter how fast it was moving. Bruce Breipfjvrp Dimon, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (Core Duh Lane, Eye Duh Hoe) Wing for Go! Not for Show. dimon@XXXXXX Work E-Mail Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Home E-Mail North Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 19:03:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16146; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12361; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26612 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:03:07 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.22]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980602230236.GEMT14006@rude>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:02:36 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980602190045.00733ca0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:00:45 -0400 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: TL1000R Cc: "Thomas H. Gimer" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35747D5F.538621B8@geocities.com> References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602175650.006e6aa8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Collin-- You don't get MCN, do you? later Kevin At 06:31 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: Speaking of that, remember when motorcyclist and cycle world used to use test riders ranging from expert racers down to fairly novice riders so you could get a good impression of the bike??? I really miss that... I always thought it more valuable to see what a moderate level rider like me thought of the various bikes rather then what joe expert thought of it as a track only bike. > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 19:09:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16262; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12680; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26724 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-245.s245.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.245]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23968; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35748660.27858B99@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:10:24 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: klthomas@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R References: <95a37eeb.35746661@aol.com> <3.0.1.32.19980602175650.006e6aa8@XXXXXX> <3.0.3.32.19980602190045.00733ca0@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit he he he.. nope.. let me guess... they thrashed the TL-R for everything that I said? :) My comments are based solely upon some initial ride reports and a few comments from race teams...and just looking at it in the show room..never ridden one..and only seen one of them racing this weekend (took second in the race behind a TL-S)... So my thoughts are probably worth less than $.02 klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > > Collin-- > > You don't get MCN, do you? > > later > Kevin > > At 06:31 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > Speaking of that, remember when motorcyclist and cycle world used to use > test riders ranging from expert racers down to fairly novice riders so > you could get a good impression of the bike??? I really miss that... I > always thought it more valuable to see what a moderate level rider like > me thought of the various bikes rather then what joe expert thought of > it as a track only bike. > > > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 19:25:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16559; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12892; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27220 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:25:30 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTQCa05134 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:24:58 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: TL1000R Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_896829899_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_896829899_boundary Content-ID: <0_896829899@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_896829899_boundary Content-ID: <0_896829899@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Return-path: To: gixer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:23:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in a race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats not too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It may be heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts in the Goldwing(my dream bike). Sean Petr --part0_896829899_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 20:57:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17522; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13585; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28500 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p38dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.70]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20796; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:56:54 -0400 Message-ID: <35749FED.E62A2CDE@smart.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:59:26 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well put, Sean. The TL1000R certainly is an attention getter....would like to see it on a ride soon. Are you going with the sick-looking yellow I've seen in the motomags or the gixer color scheme (or are there more choices)? CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in a > race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats not > too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It may be > heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does > everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts in > the Goldwing(my dream bike). -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:07:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17599; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13674; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28623 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-203.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.203]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id VAA01949; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602202603.00abbd70@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:26:03 -0400 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <199806021438.AA07192@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980602080939.00fa9100@norloff.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is why my 2nd license is from the U.S. Virgin Islands. :) Can you say "Third World?" I knew you could... MET At 10:35 AM 6/2/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >as part of the "Big Brother" initiative, all states are supposed >to comply to a national driving records database (NDR) by Y2K or >they will lose their highway funds. Essentially, that means that >no matter where in the U.S. you are, there will be *one* driving >record for you and whoever stops you can call that up on their >screen and see every infraction you have in every state. The >... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:07:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17604; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13680; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28628 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-203.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.203]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id VAA01942; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602202410.008716c0@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:24:10 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Mike Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: cb600 = cb400f In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A6B@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought she rode a CB-1 (?) MET At 10:30 AM 6/2/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Marcy, isn't that your bike (CB400)?? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:10:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17628; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13707; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28640 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id VAA05937; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:09:00 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma005857; Tue, 2 Jun 98 21:08:33 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA06298; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:02:56 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256618.00050DA7 ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:55:11 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256618.0005CA02.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:09:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Bingo! Enough said ... you seem to be making an informed decision based on your OWN personal desires/needs in a bike. More power to you and I am sure you will be happy with the bike. Let's face it, all the new bikes are wonderful and a lot of the mag comparos are really splitting hairs that alot of us would never notice anyhow. That is one of the main reasons I still love the RF, and will never sell it. It will still run close enough to the race reps and sport tours that it is the rider that makes the difference. But then again, I have always preferred a "do a lot of things well bike" than a function specific one. VFR and GPZ owners will know what I mean. Congrats on the new ride, chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 07:24:58 PM AST Subject: Fwd: TL1000R From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Return-path: To: gixer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:23:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in a race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats not too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It may be heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts in the Goldwing(my dream bike). Sean Petr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:17:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17736; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13793; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com [205.183.232.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28715 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id VAA02138; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:16:56 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma002121; Tue, 2 Jun 98 21:16:52 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA07957; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:11:15 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256618.0005D068 ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:03:30 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256618.0006E43A.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:27 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII John, Your making the ASSUMPTION that they follow blue book value when assessing you car/motorcycle/boat/trailer ... see my other post. I hope I (and my SUV) were the exception to the rule, but I fear that wasn't the case. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 05:48:35 PM AST Subject: RE: Equifax Then why was the bill $600?!?!? John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W. Zell [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:30 PM To: Chris Norloff; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! -Tom At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > > >Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:17:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17747; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13806; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28727 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id VAA07364; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:00 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma007341; Tue, 2 Jun 98 21:16:52 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA07790; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:11:15 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256618.0005D03B ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:03:29 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: zellto@XXXXXX Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256618.0006904E.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:14:39 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I'll second that. I had an Isuzu Rodeo for several years and every time the assessment came I swore up and down that if they would give me the cash value of what they assessed it at, I would sell it on the spot. Has anyone found that the assessed value of a car that is less than, say 5 years old, is at all comparable with NADA blue book value? I stand by my original statement ... It's a racket. --chris To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: zellto@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/98 05:29:54 PM AST Subject: RE: Equifax It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! -Tom At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > > >Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 21:18:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17768; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13830; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28735 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id KHQCa20473; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:18:14 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <19c0c924.3574a457@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:18:14 EDT To: zellto@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TL1000R Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-06-02 17:55:07 EDT, zellto@XXXXXX writes: << If the TL-R is what you're thinking about though then you may as well look at a RR, ZX9R, or R1 >> I know I am biased (I own one) but the most suitable for sport touring of the above and the Tls , VTR etc. is the 98-ZX-9R and it is probably the quickest. The R-1 is said to be better on the track but has questionable ergonomics. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 22:50:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18552; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14485; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00187 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA09511 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3574E477.58A1@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:51:51 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Subject: My Summit Racing (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WHOA!! Not just long, but mofo long! JeezoPete Collin. Hehehe, just kidding though bro', it was great reading your story. I wish I was there to help cheer you along, prolly next time (11.07.98) though. If any one has a (relatively shorter) synopsis of the Deal's Gap outing I'd be grateful for a "forward" - sorry I just didn't have it in me to wade through three weeks of digest mode to search for this. Hope our colleague who wadded (Bill?) is doing OK - man, that's about the most serious DC Cycle thang to happen since Jeannette and Tom got engaged ;) Sheeesh... Glad to be back though - and I hope to ride this weekend with some of y'all. The Interceptor is barking at me, take me out!! Maybe we can get organized before Thursday people? Some of us have other lives too ;) John Kozyn (D-Mode always) "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 2 23:26:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18807; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14669; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00673 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-72.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.72]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA29831; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980602232606.006c3814@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:26:06 -0400 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well Sean, I'm not trying to steer you away from the ride that you want... I was just trying to provide you with more things to consider. Anyway, good choice in bike. I hope it serves you well! Tom At 07:24 PM 6/2/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX >Return-path: >To: gixer@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: TL1000R >Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:23:12 EDT >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in a >race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats not >too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It may be >heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does >everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts in >the Goldwing(my dream bike). > >Sean Petr > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 00:08:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19520; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15352; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01176 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA28188 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: <04c601bd8ea5$4928ca80$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Another incident Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:07:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Came pretty close the next day to mimicing the awful Saturday night accident. A traffic "Y" ends a branch of Rock Creek Pkwy at Memorial Bridge, as many know. From the north, traffic takes the (two-way) base, then the right limb in front of the Lincoln memorial to curve around over the bridge to Arlington. The left limb is for opposite traffic from the east headed north on the Pkwy. The travel twains are not meant to meet. Which was my understanding as I approached from the north on Sunday a little after noon. Bright sunshine, orange vest, sparkle parts, just washed face, etc. Who could not notice me? Some silverhaired fellow, that's who, with like lady passenger in a dingy station wagon. Coming from the east, he decided to left (almost a U) turn from the left limb, around the bottom of the V, to the right limb. I was almost in the same place at the same time. Sounds of my tires, horn, black pavement mark. Close. Very close. Fortunately, no material damage, kept going. (He honked back, pitifully.) Crossing-the-bridge assessment: Elderly tourist. Confused. Sunday. Hellbent for Arlington cemetery. Entrance to RCP looked like bridge entrance (it does), then discovered mistake. And I was probably just an emerging helmet when he checked traffic. And there is a slight hump and curve in the base of the Y which may have obscured me from view as I approached the branching. I've been through that intersection so many times that it never occurred to me that a (illegal) turner might be present, so I may have been a bit complacent. (I recall another u-turner caused me much grief when I was still wet behind the ears.) [Just after, thought about confronting this fellow. Again came to the "let it rest" conclusion -- just what if he was 007 undercover on assignment with tear gas in his glasses frame -- or whatever. Not worth even a 1/1mill gamble.] Lessons of the day for me: a) never discount potential hazards. b) Blind spot sensitivity at all times. c) Exp Rider Course optical illusion graphic came back again, as it has done a thousand times, demonstrating how a small object (MC) when viewed among larger objects appears smaller (and slower and less threatening) than expected. d) could be a dangerous spot for others. My heartfelt bests for the Saturday night victim. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD If he didnt see me, it's my fault From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 00:17:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19614; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15470; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01319 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:45 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WOVLa02614 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ordering info Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I was wondering if anyone had any idea if it was too late in the season to order factory direct. Ive made some calls and the only bike anyone has is the GSXR color scheme, I wanna get the "slick-yellow" scheme though. Anyone know how long it might take? Sean Petr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 00:51:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19822; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15649; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01950 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA28689 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:51:22 -0400 Message-ID: <050501bd8eab$4922a140$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:51:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ahhh. In Pogotalk -- "We have met the enemy and it is us." For any who want to put themselves on the line about privacy/information issues, there are ample avenues these days as society realizes the need to police and make socially acceptable the information explosion. Just a little inet searching should zero in quickly -- the credit bureaus have been taken to task in various arenas for years. Generally, try "privacy", "consumer", "Gore", "medical", "FTC", "EPIC", etc. etc. [I was citizen-active in DC Caller ID decisions several years ago -- the downside of this capability being the massive capture and use (crossreferencing with other personal and financial data) of calling numbers by mainstream info exploiters.] Congress, the Administration, and any number of private groups are increasingly active and looking for support. > >Anyone know if there is a way to insist that Equifax Cease and Desist? >The information they are reporting seems to be personal, especially >when no violation of law has been proven. > ...snip... >> >>I'll second the motion about equifax. They root out all the bad things >>you do and tattle on you damn quick. I had a $75 role in a big accident >>that they found out about. I had that accident in a car with my car ins >>co, who reported it, I suppose. Equifax told my truck/MC ins co. No >>tickets issued or police report written. >> >>Equifax sucks > Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD If he didn't see me, it's my fault. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 01:47:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20102; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15895; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02495 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01253; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:43:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:41:59 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: cb600 = cb400f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A6B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > From: Mike Troutman [SMTP:mtroutma@XXXXXX] > > That picture I uploaded..... > > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/CB600S.jpg > > a friend told me it looks exactly like an 89 or so CB400F. Anyone > > have any > > information on this bike? What was the last model year it sold in the > > US? The 600 is a new bike not sold in the US.There's also a 250 variant. Check out the Brit mags for info,I've seen a couple reviews of the 250,and I think there was a 600 comparo with the 6.I believe _Bike_ magazine has a section in the back where they give stats on all the bikes they've tested.There might also be a review on that bike site that had the 'Angry Biker' test.Anyone still got the URL? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 03:36:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20908; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16428; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA03849 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA02314; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:32:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:26:57 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Another incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <04c601bd8ea5$4928ca80$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, mobacc wrote: > Which was my understanding as I approached from the north on Sunday a little > after noon. Bright sunshine, orange vest, sparkle parts, just washed face, > etc. Who could not notice me? My helmet is International Safety Orange.Yet I've had people look right at me(actual eye contact) and pull out on me.I first close call I ever had with a cager I had a red bike,red jacket,and red helmet. The driver looked straight at me and pulled into traffic in front of me from a side street. Like they say;pretend you're invisible. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 03:44:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20944; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16472; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA03931 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA02340; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:40:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:36:59 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: lemon law To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256617.00595992.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm not sure if lemon laws apply to motorcycles. It doesn't in MD.I've checked into it for my Buells. Here's a question for any legal types out there,does the lemon law apply for the state where you bought the bike,or where you actually live? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 04:11:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21138; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA16798; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04270 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02448; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:07:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:00:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602161007.006cfae8@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Thomas W. Zell wrote: > That story is nothing more than folk lore. > >As for flashing high-beams at assholes, here is a scary story that I heard > >soon after moving to the DC Area. Don't know if it's just folk tales meant > >to scare children or not, but the rumor goes that there are people in a gang > >that drive around at night with only parking lights on, and if you flash > >your highbeams at them they will follow you to whereever you stop and shoot > >you dead. Consequently I never flash my lights at people anymore...period. Unfortunately,it's true.It was a gang initiation.They also had a thing where they would look for a woman who was pumping her own gas, then follow her home and cap her.We had warnings about them here at the Pentagon. See,you can only prove to your hommie's that you're hard-core if you waste a civilian;offing a member of a rival gang just doesn't cut it. Like the man said,"let's be careful out there". The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 04:23:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21272; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA16903; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04351 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02485; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:19:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:08:38 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Fender Bender club To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602082838.00ff3bf0@norloff.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 01:18 AM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: > >Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting > >that description driving a red Mustang. > Get a tag no. and turn him in. With some of the idiots we've been hearing about here,why don't we start running a 'hall of shame'?Maybe we could add it on to the ride page.We could give a general description of the cage and driver so the rest of us would have a heads up as to who to look out for. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 04:31:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21339; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA16967; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04459 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02517; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:27:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:20:06 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: I'm alive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715A6A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > > The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against > > those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with > > disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. Sorry Leon,but I'd have to say their right to drive stops where public safety begins.Would you want someone with limited motor skills operating a vehicle at highway speeds,during rush hour,on the Beltway?While you're on your bike? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 04:38:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21397; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA17015; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04519 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02548; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:35:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:27:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Backpack and Racing Seat... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35743147.1A9D0329@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > What about a tankbag? Is there some combination tankbag/backpack out > there somewhere? Yep,I've seen at least two tankbags with straps to wear them on your back.Another thing Jeanette might want to try is a 'dispatch' bag.It's like those soft briefcases and you wear 'em on a strap at your side. The Aerostich folks make one that received a good review in _MC_,and I saw a couple nice ones up at Battley's during their open house. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 04:49:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21478; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA17264; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04741 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02584; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:45:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:36:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Equifax To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602202603.00abbd70@wingate> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FYI everyone,they also do these checks during morning rush hour on Columbia Pike in Arlington at the Wash Blvd on-ramp/overpass.They have to actually block off a lane to cite people. Interestingly enough,just up the road at the Navy annex,there is a daily lemmings demonstration put on by the people that work there.Yet despite the fact that it's just across the street from the VDOT/state police building,I've never once seen a cop writing tickets for jay walking. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 06:41:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22173; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19602; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc011.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05923 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:03:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , MR2 Mailing List , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pennsylvania Speeding Ticket Myth Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:29:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Tom, your exactly correct. A few years ago I got a ticket in FL which after a years time never showed up on my VA license. I went to get insurance from State Farm which had the cheapest rate for me. While processing my request for insurance they contacted Equifax which told them about the FL ticket and then they dropped me a few days later. Equifax was even nice enough to tell the state of VA about it. Glenn > The problem is even bigger in scope than the local area. > > I live in MD, got two cage tickets in Arlington (I was maniacally boiling > along at 37 in a 30 zone, 30 mph being the Arlington-think limit for a > superhighway), and although they didn't show up on my MD record, they did > show up in Equifax (yes, the national credit report shitheads decided they > needed other areas in which to be shitheaded, so they'll track driving > records from all over this great land of ours). I found out about Equifax > via the friendly help of Progressive, who increased my rates. > > I'd like to find these people's inner children, and kick their little > asses. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 06:42:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22184; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19666; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05939 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:19:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:22:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Actually you can go into place that serves alcohol "off" premises but you can't go to place that serve it "on" premises. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > You just can't carry at all in some places, right? Places that serve or > sell alcohol, I think. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 07:09:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22341; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21157; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06260 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Fwd: TL1000R Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:11:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I'll give my .02 here since I rode a TL this past weekend and an RR. I realize you don't have the RR on your list of bikes but it sure is a fantastic bike to ride. Anyhow, the TL seemed to have more brute force then the RR and would always lift the front wheel under hard acceleration in 1st and 2nd gears. The RR was smooth as silk. Probably the main reason for this is because its a 4 cylinder vs. a V2. After riding the RR for a while I liked it better then the TL. It really liked to be layed into the turns where the TL seemed to want to stand up more. Also I liked the RR because it kept its front wheel on the ground. If I had to buy on of the 2 bikes I would buy the RR even though I like the looks of the TL better. That's why it really sux that you can't test ride and compare bikes. You figure most people probably just buy the bike they think looks good not realizing it may not ride the way they want it. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Well put, Sean. The TL1000R certainly is an attention getter....would > like to see > it on a ride soon. Are you going with the sick-looking yellow I've seen > in the > motomags or the gixer color scheme (or are there more choices)? > > > CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes > in a > > race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats > not > > too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It > may be > > heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does > > everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature > comforts in > > the Goldwing(my dream bike). > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 07:31:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22460; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21849; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06436 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:30:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:33:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) The reason that cop is there is to catch all the idiot drivers that don't realize the right hand lane ONLY turns right from 6:30 to 9:30 AM. Also the left hand lane is only allowed to turn right at those same hours. I don't know why people just don't read the damn signs. I think there are about six of them starting at Courthouse. I can't tell you how many times I have gone through that intersection and have had people turn right from the left lane at the wrong hours and tried to go straight in the right lane at the wrong hours. I have had some very near misses, one from a tractor trailer! I'm glad that cop sits there! It used to be more exciting when they had the reversible lanes at rush hour especially in the afternoon. If you got in that far left lane there were always idiots turning left onto Courthouse blocking oncoming traffic. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > FYI everyone,they also do these checks during morning rush hour on > Columbia Pike in Arlington at the Wash Blvd on-ramp/overpass.They > have to actually block off a lane to cite people. > Interestingly enough,just up the road at the Navy annex,there is a > daily lemmings demonstration put on by the people that work there.Yet > despite the fact that it's just across the street from the VDOT/state > police building,I've never once seen a cop writing tickets for jay > walking. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 07:50:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22541; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22079; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06640 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A841583012E; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:49:21 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603073913.01005a70@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:39:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <85256618.0006904E.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What happened when you appealed the car's assessed value? I know here in Falls Church City they have a high-mileage allowance (I got 25% off for 177,000 mi. on my Toyota. Unfortunately they don't think a Honda CB750F with 50,000 mi. is high-mileage, but my tax on that bike is only about $12. Chris Norloff ******************************************************************* At 09:14 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >I'll second that. > >I had an Isuzu Rodeo for several years and every time the assessment came I >swore up and down that if they would give me the cash value of what they >assessed it at, I would sell it on the spot. > >Has anyone found that the assessed value of a car that is less than, say 5 >years old, is at all comparable with NADA blue book value? > >I stand by my original statement ... It's a racket. > >--chris > > >To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: zellto@XXXXXX >Date: 06/02/98 05:29:54 PM AST >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > >It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! >-Tom >At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my >head >>>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >> >> >>Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >>8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! >> >>Chris Norloff >> >> >> > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 07:50:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22547; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22070; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06635 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A83F583012E; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:49:22 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603075223.01013100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:52:23 -0400 To: "Dc Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another incident In-Reply-To: <04c601bd8ea5$4928ca80$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:07 AM 6/3/98 -0400, mobacc wrote: >Came pretty close the next day to mimicing the awful Saturday night >accident. ... >I've been through that >intersection so many times that it never occurred to me that a (illegal) >turner might be present, so I may have been a bit complacent. Glad you're okay. Complacency sets in with all of us. >[Just after, thought about confronting this fellow. Again came to the "let >it rest" conclusion -- just what if he was 007 undercover on assignment with >tear gas in his glasses frame -- or whatever. Not worth even a 1/1mill >gamble.] I "confronted" a driver today, and I have often, but I do it politely {well, ALMOST always I have] - I think it helps for them to think of me as a person. This morning a lady in the lane next to me accelerated when the light turned green then pulled over into me. I set off the horns and dodged out of the way, she backed off then continued into my lane. At the next traffic light I asked her if she saw me. She said no, but then saw me later (when the horns were on, I guess!). I asked he to please look, and she seemed receptive. The previous incident was a Brain Dead Cager on a car phone. I got her to swerve back in her lane when I set off the horns. At the next light I said "Please don't use your phone when you're driving, you're not paying attention". She looked very embarassed. I hope the person on the other end of the phone was suitably impressed with her, too. >Lessons of the day for me: a) never discount potential hazards. b) Blind >spot sensitivity at all times. c) Exp Rider Course optical illusion graphic >came back again, as it has done a thousand times, demonstrating how a small >object (MC) when viewed among larger objects appears smaller (and slower and >less threatening) than expected. d) could be a dangerous spot for others. Good advice. A pencil held at arm's length can completely block the view of an oncoming motorcyclist. With all the obstructions around, even in cars, we get lost in the traffic clutter easily. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 07:50:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22546; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22068; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06633 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A83D583012E; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:49:20 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603073508.00ff0440@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:35:08 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Speed Limit In Rock Creek Park In-Reply-To: <001301bd8e78$65df61c0$79a0bb9d@vrc_reflib.verticalreality> References: <04B8A3573F39100F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:47 PM 6/2/98 -0700, Bruce Dimon, A&T Engineering, VECTOR Research : >That said, do the police dare to enforce the limit during rush hour? It >seems pretty dangerous to pull somebody over during the rush. Maybe that's >why they want photo radar. It is indeed. Maryland has a fancy Bronco fitted out with speed laser guns & video, to catch road ragers, particularly tailgaters. They want a good video for prosecution because the last thing they want to do is attempt a safe pull over of a road rager in thick, fast traffic. And given the way Brain Dead Cagers slow to gawk, a single pull-over can result is a mile-long traffic backup. >Bruce Breipfjvrp Dimon, >Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (Core Duh Lane, Eye Duh Hoe) You're the what? (sorry, couldn't resist. Punch line to a joke.) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:03:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22670; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22244; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06812 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB62593012E; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:02:42 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603080403.01007360@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:04:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980602082838.00ff3bf0@norloff.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:08 AM 6/3/98 +45722824, Gil M. Nissley wrote: >On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: >> At 01:18 AM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >> >Jeannette and I(while going home in the cage) ran into a guy sorta fitting >> >that description driving a red Mustang. >> Get a tag no. and turn him in. > > With some of the idiots we've been hearing about here,why don't >we start running a 'hall of shame'?Maybe we could add it on to the >ride page.We could give a general description of the cage and driver >so the rest of us would have a heads up as to who to look out for. I think that's a good idea. I'd love to have one good enough that state DMVs and insurance companies would check it for their clients. Here's one in California. It comes across as kind of weak, though. http://www.comnet.ca/~chezken/duds.html Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:03:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22671; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22243; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06809 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB61593012E; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:02:41 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603080138.01015100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:01:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980602161007.006cfae8@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:00 AM 6/3/98 +45722824, Gil M. Nissley wrote: >On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >> That story is nothing more than folk lore. >> >As for flashing high-beams at assholes, here is a scary story that I heard >> >soon after moving to the DC Area. Don't know if it's just folk tales meant >> >to scare children or not, but the rumor goes that there are people in a gang >> >that drive around at night with only parking lights on, and if you flash >> >your highbeams at them they will follow you to whereever you stop and shoot >> >you dead. Consequently I never flash my lights at people anymore...period. > > Unfortunately,it's true.It was a gang initiation.... We had warnings about them here >at the Pentagon. That doesn't mean it's true, it only means that the Pentagon (well known in the civilian law enforcement field, eh?) has sent out a warning. See http://snopes.simplenet.com/horrors/madmen/lightout.htm for more info - this story has already been debunked in California and Ohio. I've never read any newspaper account or heard any news bulletin about something like this actually occuring. It's all been "friend of a friend" or the famous anonymous faxes. Has anybody actually read an account of this happening? Hearing it from a "friend of a friend" doesn't count. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:16:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22760; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22475; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (known helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07233 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net ([128.231.230.165]) by helix.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07852 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35753E8C.A97E293B@radix.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:16:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Equifax References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If citizens would complain more to both the police department and the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes that get away w/o paying when you do. Good idea. Has anyone been keeping up with the Washington Post's Dr. Gridlock ( Thursdays ) section? He just recently got an e mail address. I've found that the good Dr. has really pounded the DMV in Va. for closing early, & other such things. Check it out on the Post's website. Perhaps several calls to the jurisdiction of the Police advising them of the dangerous situation the Police were causing, along with some e mails to Dr. Gridlock asking him to investigate, & perhaps a call to the County Commisioners office(?)... Just my thoughts. Dave Yates long time lurker '90 ZX11/12 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:17:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22767; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22486; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07241 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:17:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Old Nuggets Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:17:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain "A pencil, held at arm's length, can block the view of an oncoming motorcycle" Let's see, if we assume that the average pupil is 4mm, the average distance from the pupil due to grasp in a hand held at average arm's length is 3 ft., that a standard 4mm width Eberhard Faber is used, and that all chickens are spherical..... Okay, folks. Let's start a line on where the grotesquely-over-generalized "pencil at arm's length" statement came from. I'm nominating somebody's old Granny just after Harley-pipe trauma, and that she delivered it with to highly impressionable kids while wagging the upraised finger of (no-knowledge) wisdom. Hee, Hee :-) Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:28:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22837; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22617; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07382 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29167 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [140.162.3.206] (chelseaIX.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.206]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24088 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:27:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:31:11 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Yamaha FJ 1200 circca 1986 -Reply >>>> Mike - 5/26/98 12:02 PM >>> > Does anyone have any experience, or information on this bike. Is it a >good >all arounder, or a good sport touring type bike? Any mechanical problems >that you maqy be aware of? I am considering buying one that has been in >storage but maintained well with low ( aprox. 1000 ) miles on it. > Any info would be helpfull he may let it go for about $ 1000. > >Thanx > >Mike Benedict That would be an excellent price for that bike, if its in good condition! As a current FJ owner, I highly recommend it. Great all around bike, though, isn't as nimble as newer bikes. Performs well as a sport tourer... is sporty and powerful enough to have fun with, is big enough for the highway, but is comfortable enough for long rides. AND, if you'd like to pay more for one... I'm still working (though not very hard) on selling my '89 FJ. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:50:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22956; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22733; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07702 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p38dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.70]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01400; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:49:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3575470B.6AC8EB47@smart.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:52:28 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Subject: My Summit Racing (long) References: <3574E477.58A1@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd be up for a Saturday ride, John, although my knowledge of decent roads is limited. Name a time and a place and I'm there. John C. Kozyn wrote: > Glad to be back though - and I hope to ride this weekend with some of > y'all. The Interceptor is barking at me, take me out!! > > Maybe we can get organized before Thursday people? Some of us have other > lives too ;) -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 08:57:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23020; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22821; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (known smtp4.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.43]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07897 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA20268 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:48:19 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA30576 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:51:45 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100019010646; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:59:57 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Ralph Scichilone Subject: BMW FOR SALE '75 Message-ID: <5040100019010646000002L062*@MHS> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:59:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hey! a friend of a friend has a '75 BMW R90/6 he's willing to part with. He doesn't have an E-Mail address so he's asked if I would put the word out for him so here goes: '75 BMW R90/6 37K miles Garage kept Needs Battery $2000 O.B.O. Call Bob 703-764-8909 I've never seen the bike so I can't speak to the condition and all the usual disclaimers apply. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 09:29:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23500; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23458; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08573 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) From: SackcoD@XXXXXX Received: from SackcoD@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WAAJa08936 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <474618a3.35754fac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:14 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fender Bender club / Bad Driver List Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 194 I think it's a bad idea for a couple of reason: 1) It smacks of vigilanteism. 2) It is an end run around Due Process. 3) I wouldn't want my insurance company to take the word of someone who just doesn't like bikes. 4) I appreciate the potential in America for each of us as individuals to make mistakes, recognize that we've made mistakes and upon quiet personal reflection determine that we won't make that mistake again. I don't want anyone keeping a record of all of the mistakes I've made. I think that most of us appreciate our right to correct mistakes on our own or with a gentle nudge from a friend now and then. Each of us knows that when we ride we are putting ourselves at increased risk, and each of us accepts that it is a risk we can manage -- and live with. Let's each of us determine to improve our ability to manage that risk with every ride. But let's not start taking names. --Sackco From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 09:49:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23681; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23703; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08960 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA21027 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:41:54 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:46:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:49:21 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: gixer@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Collin, If you check out the reviews on Motorcycle Online (www.motorcycle.com) they'll sometimes include a "real" person in their testing. Speakin o' you chasing R1s, was Brian Bemisturfer(sp?) there? He was untouchable on that thing Apr 11 weekend. I vote nekkid on the TL question. The R looks just like the 750. Joe 86 ninja 900 >>> "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" - 6/2/98 6:31 PM >>> I'd have to disagree with that a little bit Tom. From the factory, the TL-R is a bit on the heavy side. They designed the frame for world superbike competition without the need for heavy mosification/stiffening like the other brands. It's torque curve is downright flat (very high, but flat) so you don't get that kick in the but feel of the TL-S, but it should pull hard from any rev range. >From the one I saw at cycle sport, it looks liveable on comfort compared to the S model, but the XX and ZX are probably both better for the longer sporty trips. Don't know what Tom G. is talking about hiding that awesome motor...the TL's motor is pretty boring looking...granted the S model's frame is a little neater looking though. As for intro year problems, it's not a true entry year model...the S was the entry year model for the most part. They've got most of the engine/FI bugs worked out, they've made some changes to the rear suspension setup to make it a pretty awsome unit (rotary damper and all), and they through it in more or less a heavy GSXR frame...also very proven. I really don't expect that many bugs out of the R model this year...but we'll see... If you do end up with the R model, give us a report...I'd love to hear all about how they feel from a "real" person rather than a moto-journalist. Speaking of that, remember when motorcyclist and cycle world used to use test riders ranging from expert racers down to fairly novice riders so you could get a good impression of the bike??? I really miss that... I always thought it more valuable to see what a moderate level rider like me thought of the various bikes rather then what joe expert thought of it as a track only bike. Speaking of RR killers, my stock race bike had no trouble eating the RR's up except at the very top, but that's cause I couldn't pull top speed due to my steering problems....the R1 didn't pull away too very hard either... Thomas W. Zell wrote: > TL-R is a "pure race bike" as Suzuki puts it. > -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 09:56:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23726; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23792; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09077 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10410; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:56:00 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D052@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , gixer@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: TL1000R -Reply Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:55:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Brian and and Tim (Bemisderfer) were both there this weekend putting on an awesome show as usual. They're both experts thank goodness so I don't have to race against them...for now :) For track day, Brian loaned his R1 to Dave ?? the race director to run as a control rider...never got to ride with him...did chase another R1. He definitely had the torque to pull harder out of the corners, but not so much horsepower that he was running away... Cool bikes though > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 9:52 AM > To: gixer@XXXXXX; zellto@XXXXXX > Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; tgimer@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: TL1000R -Reply > > Collin, > > Speakin o' you chasing R1s, was Brian Bemisturfer(sp?) there? He was > untouchable on that thing Apr 11 weekend. > > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:05:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23881; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24052; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09414 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhEAY-0006r2-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:34 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:03:52 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AB6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: TL1000R -Reply Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain This would be a great idea!! Sometimes I wonder who they're addressing their articles to, not me, that's for sure... I haven't even scraped a peg yet!! ; ) Last night, however, I did blow by 2 military guys on my bike, they looked really miffed 'cause they couldn't catch me on their bikes (cat & mouse through traffic, no FLAMES please...) When they pulled up next to me finally I said, "Hey..." The look of shock on their faces was priceless! - Jeannette > Speaking of that, remember when motorcyclist and cycle world used to > use > test riders ranging from expert racers down to fairly novice riders so > you could get a good impression of the bike??? I really miss that... > I > always thought it more valuable to see what a moderate level rider > like > me thought of the various bikes rather then what joe expert thought of > it as a track only bike. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:06:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23885; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24065; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09422 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Wed Jun 3 08:46 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA12474 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:05:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8ED7.25C62F60@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Big Brother *some* MC content Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see quite a bit of anger, annoyance, etc. on the list concerning the "government". I often see, myself included, many people blaming the government for this or that. Be it Helmet laws or speed laws. The point is that WE are the government. It is unfortunate that WE do not seem to have the time to fight those that are *supposed* to represent us. I maintain that as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or whatever, no one disagrees that the leaders of our government continually waste our tax dollars. I believe that there is more than enough $$$ to take care of everything AND reduce the amount of $$$ we pay in. If I am subject to down sizing in the name of cost efficiency, then why not government workers? The current state of the USA is, IMO, not in the spirit of the Constitution. <> John Carver '98 Interceptor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:17:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23986; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24509; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09659 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhELP-0007n1-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:47 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:15:05 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715ABC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Big Brother *some* MC content Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You're right. Anyone else up for a coup de' tat? ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:06 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Big Brother *some* MC content > > I see quite a bit of anger, annoyance, etc. on the list concerning the > > "government". I often see, myself included, many people blaming the > government for this or that. Be it Helmet laws or speed laws. The > point is that WE are the government. It is unfortunate that WE do not > > seem to have the time to fight those that are *supposed* to represent > us. I maintain that as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or > whatever, no one disagrees that the leaders of our government > continually waste our tax dollars. I believe that there is more than > enough $$$ to take care of everything AND reduce the amount of $$$ we > pay in. If I am subject to down sizing in the name of cost > efficiency, then why not government workers? The current state of the > > USA is, IMO, not in the spirit of the Constitution. <> > > John Carver > '98 Interceptor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:20:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24020; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24561; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09703 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA25321 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA22891 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:19:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980603141920.GVBJ11142@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:19:20 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bd8efa$98934b40$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal I can give a chilling fact. I took the VA Driver's improvement course a few weeks ago in a feeble attempt to mitigate an upcoming ticket. The woman next to me finally admitted at the end of the day that she couldn't take the final test because she couldn't read english. She's out there driving. Watch out. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., asked: I don't know why people just don't read the damn signs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:31:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24207; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24824; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10082 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:30:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Linda Tanner'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:33:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Very true Linda, I seem to recall that DMV gives the drivers test in Spanish. For the ex-DMV'er, is this true? If it is that is a scary thought. Sure you can remember the normal sigh but how about those programmable signs? Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I can give a chilling fact. I took the VA Driver's improvement course a > few > weeks ago in a feeble attempt to mitigate an upcoming ticket. The woman > next to me finally admitted at the end of the day that she couldn't take > the > final test because she couldn't read english. She's out there driving. > > Watch out. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze > > -----Original Message----- > Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., asked: > > > I don't > know why people just don't read the damn signs. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:35:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24230; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24992; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10150 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Big Brother *NO* MC content Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain (Government worker, perhaps surprisingly in agreement with the idea that Gov't workers should be subject to downsizing -- I'd like to boot a few myself) Actually, government workers have been subject to downsizing, the biggest cut coming from Defense, and the total number somewhere in the 300,000 range since Bill took office. The problem is that there does not seem to have been much money reduction, perhaps in part because alot of the downsizing was of gov't jobs, not gov't outlays. For example, I used to be part of an office that performed engineering, programming, etc. in house. My current job is managing a contract to do pretty much the same thing with the same number of people, but they're just not gov't people. Uncle Sam seems to be going the same way AT&T is, only it is not being handled quite as abruptly -- once a very secure job, lately not so (my Dad worked for AT&T until the breakup of the Bell System in the early 80s, then got shoved out on early retirement in the first wave of early 80s downsizing). Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:06 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Big Brother *some* MC content > > I see quite a bit of anger, annoyance, etc. on the list concerning the > "government". I often see, myself included, many people blaming the > government for this or that. Be it Helmet laws or speed laws. The > point is that WE are the government. It is unfortunate that WE do not > seem to have the time to fight those that are *supposed* to represent > us. I maintain that as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or > whatever, no one disagrees that the leaders of our government > continually waste our tax dollars. I believe that there is more than > enough $$$ to take care of everything AND reduce the amount of $$$ we > pay in. If I am subject to down sizing in the name of cost > efficiency, then why not government workers? The current state of the > USA is, IMO, not in the spirit of the Constitution. <> > > John Carver > '98 Interceptor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:35:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24236; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25025; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10160 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA05726; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA22926; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980603143507.KLNG20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:35:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: conceal laws: RE: Fender Bender club X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980603143507.KLNG20960@[166.41.242.141]> DC-Cycles is back on the ole conceal and carry thread. Yippee! I was in the post office the other day and noted the sign prohibiting firearms on the premesis. Had to chuckle given the propensity of postal workers going berserker with firearms. :) Todd Collin Fagen wrote: >I'm not sure about here, but every state I've dealt with also prohibits >carry of any sort in federal buildings. This includes the ole post office. >Some states specifically mention banks, but many banks just have signs >stating no carrying of guns which falls in with what Mike J mentioned below. >Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:43:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24336; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25380; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known [205.183.237.69] [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10426 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA12525; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:42:36 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma012209; Wed, 3 Jun 98 10:42:12 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA18419; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:36:26 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256618.004F6C0C ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:27:30 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256618.00454CEE.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:40:46 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Uh, unfortunately it is kinda like fighting a parking ticket in DC. :-( The invoice states that if you disagree with the assessment, you still have to pay the fee in full, file a grievance, they will review it and rebate any overcharged amount. Well, I did that and several months later, they denied my claim citing that it was in line with other assessments of vehicles in that price range. (indicating to me that others were over assessed also) Anyhow, at that point, I was moving to Alexandria, had financially recovered from the tax hit, and decided not to pursue it any more ... --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: 06/03/98 07:39:13 AM AST Subject: RE: Equifax What happened when you appealed the car's assessed value? I know here in Falls Church City they have a high-mileage allowance (I got 25% off for 177,000 mi. on my Toyota. Unfortunately they don't think a Honda CB750F with 50,000 mi. is high-mileage, but my tax on that bike is only about $12. Chris Norloff ******************************************************************* At 09:14 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >I'll second that. > >I had an Isuzu Rodeo for several years and every time the assessment came I >swore up and down that if they would give me the cash value of what they >assessed it at, I would sell it on the spot. > >Has anyone found that the assessed value of a car that is less than, say 5 >years old, is at all comparable with NADA blue book value? > >I stand by my original statement ... It's a racket. > >--chris > > >To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: zellto@XXXXXX >Date: 06/02/98 05:29:54 PM AST >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > >It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! >-Tom >At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my >head >>>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >> >> >>Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >>8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! >> >>Chris Norloff >> >> >> > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:43:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24341; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25407; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10457 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08609 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:45:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11515 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806031443.KAA11515@shell.clark.net> Subject: RE: Equifax/driver test To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:43:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > I can give a chilling fact. I took the VA Driver's improvement course a few > weeks ago in a feeble attempt to mitigate an upcoming ticket. The woman > next to me finally admitted at the end of the day that she couldn't take the > final test because she couldn't read english. She's out there driving. Hmmm, makes me wonder. I just had 6 deaf students pass the MSF:RSS course. The problem was that some of them didn't understand the questions on the written test. For a lot of deaf people, English is not their primary language, ASL (American Sign Language) is. So a few of them had trouble understanding what the question was asking. However when I signed the questions, they understood, and did very well. I wonder how the DMV will handle that situation when they go for their licence. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:47:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24399; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25576; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10575 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12844; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:48:04 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D057@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'JOE NAGY'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: TL1000R -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:48:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, He is an awesome rider. On his Buell, he was having handling problems between 7 and 8 which were slowing him down. His solution??? He simply lifted the frotn wheel up in the air did the transition in a wheelie, then set the bike down on the line through 8!! amazing. During cleanup and inspection of my bike yesterday, I noticed that I have some nice new shiny scrapes along my exhaust canister!! I didn't recall getting down that low in any right handers...but i guess I did.. Hopefully someday I'll be able to keep up with (and maybe even pass) guys like Brian and his brother Tim.....time will tell. Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:32 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG > Subject: RE: TL1000R -Reply -Reply > > It wasn't so much his acceleration as his braking--he was going so fast > and so late into 5, SLAMMING it onto his left knee, it was making my > butt pucker! > Joe > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:55:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24613; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25764; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10747 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-231.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.231]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15249; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603105430.006e8d64@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:54:30 -0400 To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Big Brother *some* MC content In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let's revolt!!!!!! (See previous post from Sunday night!!) -Tom At 10:05 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Carver, John wrote: >I see quite a bit of anger, annoyance, etc. on the list concerning the >"government". I often see, myself included, many people blaming the >government for this or that. Be it Helmet laws or speed laws. The >point is that WE are the government. It is unfortunate that WE do not >seem to have the time to fight those that are *supposed* to represent >us. I maintain that as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or >whatever, no one disagrees that the leaders of our government >continually waste our tax dollars. I believe that there is more than >enough $$$ to take care of everything AND reduce the amount of $$$ we >pay in. If I am subject to down sizing in the name of cost >efficiency, then why not government workers? The current state of the >USA is, IMO, not in the spirit of the Constitution. <> > >John Carver >'98 Interceptor > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:55:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24652; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25786; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10781 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA29295 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:56:04 -0400 Message-ID: <357563D8.140A95F7@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:55:20 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Old Nuggets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In today's "Biker Trauma" Granny hides her EX250 behind an Eberhard Faber. Parents are cautioned that this episode contains mathematical equations and graphic physical descriptions. My bike measures 32 inchs at the handlebars which are effectively the widest part of the bike. 32 inches is 25.4*32 or 812mm. 812mm is 203 pencils wide. Therefore for a pencil to completely block my bike from view, the bike would have to be 203 times farther away or 609 feet or 203 yards or two football fields. I can't find a use for the spherical chickens. I did assume that the image passed through a point (the lens of the eye) on it's way to the pupil, and that the focal distance from the lens to the pupil was not significant. Leon. Mersch, Tom wrote: > > "A pencil, held at arm's length, can block the view of an oncoming > motorcycle" > > Let's see, if we assume that the average pupil is 4mm, the average distance > from the pupil due to grasp in a hand held at average arm's length is 3 ft., > that a standard 4mm width Eberhard Faber is used, and that all chickens are > spherical..... > > Okay, folks. Let's start a line on where the grotesquely-over-generalized > "pencil at arm's length" statement came from. I'm nominating somebody's old > Granny just after Harley-pipe trauma, and that she delivered it with to > highly impressionable kids while wagging the upraised finger of > (no-knowledge) wisdom. > > Hee, Hee :-) > > Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 10:57:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24684; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25815; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10793 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-231.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.231]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09907; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603105651.006e9c18@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:56:51 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: RE: Big Brother *some* MC content In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715ABC@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am!!! -Tom "They tried to ban the M16? Well I got 10 of 'em stashed with a case of hand grenades..." Ice T At 10:16 AM 6/3/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >You're right. Anyone else up for a coup de' tat? >; ) > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:06 AM >> To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: Big Brother *some* MC content >> >> I see quite a bit of anger, annoyance, etc. on the list concerning the >> >> "government". I often see, myself included, many people blaming the >> government for this or that. Be it Helmet laws or speed laws. The >> point is that WE are the government. It is unfortunate that WE do not >> >> seem to have the time to fight those that are *supposed* to represent >> us. I maintain that as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or >> whatever, no one disagrees that the leaders of our government >> continually waste our tax dollars. I believe that there is more than >> enough $$$ to take care of everything AND reduce the amount of $$$ we >> pay in. If I am subject to down sizing in the name of cost >> efficiency, then why not government workers? The current state of the >> >> USA is, IMO, not in the spirit of the Constitution. <> >> >> John Carver >> '98 Interceptor > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 11:05:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24894; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26081; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11082 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA25988; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA17735; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980603150509.KREQ20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:05:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas W. Zell" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: County Stickers Was: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980603150509.KREQ20960@[166.41.242.141]> Just this side of a serious revolt, we will forever pay the tax man. If you owned a car that was worth enough to the tax man to extort $600 out of you, you must have had your priorities mixed up. I've never owned a cage that cost me more than $170 a year in taxes, most likely because I don't value a cage as much as I do motorcycles. My old man refuses to pay as well for some of the reasons you wrote, but mostly out of principal. I mean he's able to dump thousands into his fishing boat - his priorities. By not paying his taxes, and for everyone else who doesn't, the cumulative effect is felt by those who do pay. We could go on and on about this, and just so you know I'm playing devils advocate since I believe taxing of any sort is theft. I feel like I'm being robbed everytime the tax man sticks his hand out. I just don't believe the cops are to keen on spending time writing tickets for such bullshit. Now, about that revolt >:> Tom Zell wrote: >HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. > >At 12:27 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >> >> Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that >> they may not be very interested in your time management needs >> when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did >> not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and >> was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got >> to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run >> from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of >> them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). >> >> If citizens would complain more to both the police department and >> the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this >> kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes >> that get away w/o paying when you do. >> >> In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this >> sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would >> rather be doing something else. >> >> Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 11:08:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24931; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26113; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11158 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-231.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.231]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22117 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603110756.006ed7ac@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:07:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Anti-gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Folks... just so you know... I'm not anti-government and I do infact love my country. I am against some of the things that they do, however. In the case that I may have offended anyone with my shouts of "revolt" and that kinda stuff... please accept my apologies. I'm here having a good time!!! Thought I'd send this out before I got any hate mail or before anyone decided to report me to the CIA or something! ; ) -Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 11:14:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25040; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26232; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11287 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-218-231.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.231]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22754; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603111115.006f0af4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:11:15 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: County Stickers Was: Equifax Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980603150509.KREQ20960@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, I had the car for a while and THEN shit hit the fan. I had no problem paying for it when things were "good".... however, once things started going downhill I couldn't really stop paying for it because it helped put food on the table. -Tom At 11:00 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >Just this side of a serious revolt, we will forever pay the tax man. > >If you owned a car that was worth enough to the tax man to extort $600 >out of you, you must have had your priorities mixed up. I've never >owned a cage that cost me more than $170 a year in taxes, most likely >because I don't value a cage as much as I do motorcycles. > >My old man refuses to pay as well for some of the reasons you wrote, >but mostly out of principal. I mean he's able to dump thousands into >his fishing boat - his priorities. By not paying his taxes, and for >everyone else who doesn't, the cumulative effect is felt by those who >do pay. > >We could go on and on about this, and just so you know I'm playing >devils advocate since I believe taxing of any sort is theft. I feel >like I'm being robbed everytime the tax man sticks his hand out. > >I just don't believe the cops are to keen on spending time writing >tickets for such bullshit. > >Now, about that revolt >:> > > >Tom Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >> >>At 12:27 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >>> >>> Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that >>> they may not be very interested in your time management needs >>> when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did >>> not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and >>> was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got >>> to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run >>> from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of >>> them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). >>> >>> If citizens would complain more to both the police department and >>> the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this >>> kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes >>> that get away w/o paying when you do. >>> >>> In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this >>> sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would >>> rather be doing something else. >>> >>> Todd > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 11:17:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25067; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26289; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known vulture.wheatintl.com [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11406 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 359; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:16:46 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980603111555.00cb83b0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:16:46 -0400 To: "Christopher Meier", cnorloff@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: Equifax Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten out of a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? I got my last one delayed, but Im sure Ill be paying in the end. Every one of us got a ticket for parking on the street (not a single no parking sign) because it is a 'rush hour zone'. I suppose we all should have known that?!?! I hate the DC government. Have you all noticed that every sign has 'xxxxx, mayor' on it? When Sharon Pratt Kelly took over, she replaced every sign with her name. Then when she married, she replaced them all again. Now that mayor for life crack-daddy Barry is back in, he changed them all back to his name. Im curious how much that alone has cost DC..... At 08:40 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: > > > > >Uh, unfortunately it is kinda like fighting a parking ticket in DC. :-( > >The invoice states that if you disagree with the assessment, you still have >to pay the fee in full, file a grievance, they will review it and rebate >any overcharged amount. Well, I did that and several months later, they >denied my claim citing that it was in line with other assessments of >vehicles in that price range. (indicating to me that others were over >assessed also) Anyhow, at that point, I was moving to Alexandria, had >financially recovered from the tax hit, and decided not to pursue it any >more ... > >--chris > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: cnorloff@XXXXXX >Date: 06/03/98 07:39:13 AM AST >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > >What happened when you appealed the car's assessed value? >I know here in Falls Church City they have a high-mileage allowance (I got >25% off for 177,000 mi. on my Toyota. Unfortunately they don't think a >Honda CB750F with 50,000 mi. is high-mileage, but my tax on that bike is >only about $12. >Chris Norloff >******************************************************************* >At 09:14 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >>I'll second that. >> >>I had an Isuzu Rodeo for several years and every time the assessment came >I >>swore up and down that if they would give me the cash value of what they >>assessed it at, I would sell it on the spot. >> >>Has anyone found that the assessed value of a car that is less than, say 5 >>years old, is at all comparable with NADA blue book value? >> >>I stand by my original statement ... It's a racket. >> >>--chris >> >> >>To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >>From: zellto@XXXXXX >>Date: 06/02/98 05:29:54 PM AST >>Subject: RE: Equifax >> >> >> >> >>It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! >>-Tom >>At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>>At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>>>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>>>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my >>head >>>>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>>>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? >I'm >>>>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>>>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >>> >>> >>>Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >>>8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! >>> >>>Chris Norloff >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Mike Troutman South Park / Simpsons / Quake Addict (h)703.830.7733 (p)703.660.3098 http://www.troutman.org "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no life guard. " ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 11:54:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25618; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27705; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12561 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-193.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.193]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA31136 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:54:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3575719E.E0EC6B11@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:54:06 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Deal's Gap Pictures References: <000401bd8daa$6006b150$c1a0bb9d@vrc_cad.verticalreality> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] gave us: > > Point netscape (or fetch or ftp) to : > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/ It works. I've got two large jpgs from the Deal's Gap trip up on the server. DealsGap.jpg are 4 pictures from the CrossRoads gas station and the overlook at the north end of the road. The couple on the road aren't part of DC Cycles, but that's Todd waving. HorksterLouisTom.jpg are pictures from the trip back. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 12:07:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25835; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28246; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13080 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 294; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:07:50 -0400 Message-ID: <357574C3.C5F830BC@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 12:07:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Troutman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Equifax References: <3.0.32.19980603111555.00cb83b0@www.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Troutman wrote: > > As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten out of > a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? Yep. A couple of years ago. DC wrote an erroneous ticket that had the plate number of a rental car that I was renting during the time. It took a while to sort it out, even though they were clearly wrong. I figure if I gloat too much, they'll slap me with some other bs ticket, somehow. So, shhhh, don't tell anyone! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:38:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27226; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04624; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15793 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9C72740294; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:37:11 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603133820.0102c9c0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:38:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980603111555.00cb83b0@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:16 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten out of >a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? I got my last one delayed, >but Im sure Ill be paying in the end. I've had one in limbo since January. Parking longer than 1 hr. in a 12 hr. zone. (!!) >I hate the DC government. Have you all noticed that every sign has 'xxxxx, >mayor' on it? When Sharon Pratt Kelly took over, she replaced every sign >with her name. Then when she married, she replaced them all again. Now >that mayor for life crack-daddy Barry is back in, he changed them all back >to his name. Im curious how much that alone has cost DC..... Barry be leaving. Someone finally talked him into not running again. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:38:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27227; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04622; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15790 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9C62740294; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:37:10 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603133151.00fd4e40@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:31:51 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Old Nuggets In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good point. I thought I'd checked it out before, but running through the numbers now, I get a blockage 2.2 ft. wide at 176 ft. away (with my 3/8 in. pencil). I'm about 2 ft. wide at my shoulders, my bike is a little wider. 176 ft. is 2 seconds at 60 mph - so I would be just about blocked from view, 2 seconds from impact, at 60 mph. A narrow bike and rider would be harder to see, and wide bike (or rider!) would be easier to see. Perhaps the Old Nugget should be changed to reflect the actual size of windshield pillars, something that is much more likely in our environment. Except for that time a pencil truck turned over and no one could see around all those pencils. thanks, Chris Norloff **************************************************************************** At 08:17 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: > >"A pencil, held at arm's length, can block the view of an oncoming >motorcycle" > >Let's see, if we assume that the average pupil is 4mm, the average distance >from the pupil due to grasp in a hand held at average arm's length is 3 ft., >that a standard 4mm width Eberhard Faber is used, and that all chickens are >spherical..... > >Okay, folks. Let's start a line on where the grotesquely-over-generalized >"pencil at arm's length" statement came from. I'm nominating somebody's old >Granny just after Harley-pipe trauma, and that she delivered it with to >highly impressionable kids while wagging the upraised finger of >(no-knowledge) wisdom. > >Hee, Hee :-) > >Tom > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:46:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27387; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05235; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16204 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPYTa26052 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <667224f1.35758bc9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:45:44 EDT Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Mail Adjudication/DC Parking Tickets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I have!! Much to my surprise! I paid the fine but wrote a long letter of explanation and actually received a check back in the mail! Once. Marcy In a message dated 6/3/98 11:24:21 AM, mike@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:48:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27398; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05301; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16245 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhHeB-0001ir-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:48:23 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:46:27 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AE7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Old Nuggets Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:47:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Uh oh. I'm glad I got a bigger bike!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Old Nuggets > > Good point. I thought I'd checked it out before, but running through > the > numbers now, I get a blockage 2.2 ft. wide at 176 ft. away (with my > 3/8 in. > pencil). I'm about 2 ft. wide at my shoulders, my bike is a little > wider. > 176 ft. is 2 seconds at 60 mph - so I would be just about blocked from > view, 2 seconds from impact, at 60 mph. > > A narrow bike and rider would be harder to see, and wide bike (or > rider!) > would be easier to see. > > Perhaps the Old Nugget should be changed to reflect the actual size of > windshield pillars, something that is much more likely in our > environment. > Except for that time a pencil truck turned over and no one could see > around > all those pencils. > > thanks, > Chris Norloff > > > > ********************************************************************** > ****** > At 08:17 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > >"A pencil, held at arm's length, can block the view of an oncoming > >motorcycle" > > > >Let's see, if we assume that the average pupil is 4mm, the average > distance > >from the pupil due to grasp in a hand held at average arm's length is > 3 ft., > >that a standard 4mm width Eberhard Faber is used, and that all > chickens are > >spherical..... > > > >Okay, folks. Let's start a line on where the > grotesquely-over-generalized > >"pencil at arm's length" statement came from. I'm nominating > somebody's old > >Granny just after Harley-pipe trauma, and that she delivered it with > to > >highly impressionable kids while wagging the upraised finger of > >(no-knowledge) wisdom. > > > >Hee, Hee :-) > > > >Tom > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:52:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27450; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05455; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16378 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr26-dialup33.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0ETZ00N2HLMPXG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:52:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 01:51:25 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <008501bd8e92$1ee90900$614937a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 -----Original Message----- From: Dawn & Jon To: Thomas W. Zell Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:50 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R >Might as well throw my 2yen worth out. IMO, if your going to spend 10K on >a new bike, how about the Ducati 748? That yellow one is the sweetest >looking bike out there. > >Jon Schumer > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas W. Zell >To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 3:38 AM >Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R > > >>Well Sean, I'm not trying to steer you away from the ride that you want... >>I was just trying to provide you with more things to consider. Anyway, >>good choice in bike. I hope it serves you well! >> >>Tom >> >>At 07:24 PM 6/2/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >>>From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX >>>Return-path: >>>To: gixer@XXXXXX >>>Subject: Re: TL1000R >>>Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:23:12 EDT >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>> >>>Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in >a >>>race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats >not >>>too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It >>may be >>>heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does >>>everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts >in >>>the Goldwing(my dream bike). >>> >>>Sean Petr >>> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:52:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27454; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05451; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16373 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:52:31 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 1UDUa08946; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <945d3ff3.35758d37@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:51:49 EDT To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Old Nuggets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I think the point is that if you value your hide you must always assume that 1) NO ONE can EVER see you and 2) that you NEVER have the right of way no matter what. We can moan and groan and cuss at the multitudes of people who really SHOULD NOT have a license to drive but when you're on your bike going 60 (125!!!) MPH the only control you have over a potentially fatal situation is how you ride. Marcy In a message dated 6/3/98 1:43:32 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 13:55:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27497; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05532; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16447 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr26-dialup33.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0ETZ00GKRLQX1B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:54:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 01:53:58 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Another incident To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <00a201bd8e92$79f4d5e0$614937a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 That's why I try and stay away from DC and immediate suburbs. Far, far, away......... Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: mobacc To: Dc Cycles Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 4:25 AM Subject: Another incident >Came pretty close the next day to mimicing the awful Saturday night >accident. > >A traffic "Y" ends a branch of Rock Creek Pkwy at Memorial Bridge, as many >know. From the north, traffic takes the (two-way) base, then the right limb >in front of the Lincoln memorial to curve around over the bridge to >Arlington. The left limb is for opposite traffic from the east headed north >on the Pkwy. The travel twains are not meant to meet. > >Which was my understanding as I approached from the north on Sunday a little >after noon. Bright sunshine, orange vest, sparkle parts, just washed face, >etc. Who could not notice me? > >Some silverhaired fellow, that's who, with like lady passenger in a dingy >station wagon. Coming from the east, he decided to left (almost a U) turn >from the left limb, around the bottom of the V, to the right limb. I was >almost in the same place at the same time. Sounds of my tires, horn, black >pavement mark. Close. Very close. Fortunately, no material damage, kept >going. (He honked back, pitifully.) > >Crossing-the-bridge assessment: Elderly tourist. Confused. Sunday. >Hellbent for Arlington cemetery. Entrance to RCP looked like bridge >entrance (it does), then discovered mistake. And I was probably just an >emerging helmet when he checked traffic. > >And there is a slight hump and curve in the base of the Y which may have >obscured me from view as I approached the branching. I've been through that >intersection so many times that it never occurred to me that a (illegal) >turner might be present, so I may have been a bit complacent. > >(I recall another u-turner caused me much grief when I was still wet behind >the ears.) > >[Just after, thought about confronting this fellow. Again came to the "let >it rest" conclusion -- just what if he was 007 undercover on assignment with >tear gas in his glasses frame -- or whatever. Not worth even a 1/1mill >gamble.] > >Lessons of the day for me: a) never discount potential hazards. b) Blind >spot sensitivity at all times. c) Exp Rider Course optical illusion graphic >came back again, as it has done a thousand times, demonstrating how a small >object (MC) when viewed among larger objects appears smaller (and slower and >less threatening) than expected. d) could be a dangerous spot for others. > >My heartfelt bests for the Saturday night victim. > >Bill Swanson / DC >96 EN500 LTD >If he didnt see me, it's my fault > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 14:04:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27672; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05816; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16753 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:04:00 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWEIa08565 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <73f12c76.35758ff0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:03:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: DC TRicket Writing Policy Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 quoted from the front page of today's Washington Post: The parking ticket writers who roam the streets of Washington have been= =0Aexpected to write 90 tickets a day each, an average of one ticket ever= y four=0Aminutes. That fact=97long denied by the people who oversee the city's parking=0Aen= forcement=97came to light yesterday when DC Chief Management Officer Cami= lle=0AC. Barnett met with parking bureau officials and challenged them to= come up=0Awith a fairer system....... ..."Your job is the fair regulation of parking," Barnett told parking=0Ao= fficials. "It ids not giving tickets." Barnett....allowed a Washinton Post reporter to sit in on the hour-long,= =0Aclosed door meeting.=0A From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 14:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28101; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06307; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17628 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA15822; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma015816; Wed, 3 Jun 98 14:32:24 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:33:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:33:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I fought the law, and _I_ won! DC sent me a past due parking ticket notice for a plate number that I had taken off the road 2 weeks earlier. I'd had the plate on my old Mazda pickup. The ticket was issues to a brown Lincoln. I sent them copies of every piece of paperwork I had regarding trading the old pickup in, since it was obvious that someone had written the plate number incorrectly, and the ticket wound up on my record. They ignored me. I called my city councilor's office (Frank Smith, Ward 1) and got someone there to help me. It took about a year before I finally got a notice telling me the ticket had been dismissed. As for the sign thing, every city I've lived in does the same thing. And most states are littered with signs that say "Joe Smith, Governor." John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 11:17 AM To: Christopher Meier; cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten out of a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? I got my last one delayed, but Im sure Ill be paying in the end. Every one of us got a ticket for parking on the street (not a single no parking sign) because it is a 'rush hour zone'. I suppose we all should have known that?!?! I hate the DC government. Have you all noticed that every sign has 'xxxxx, mayor' on it? When Sharon Pratt Kelly took over, she replaced every sign with her name. Then when she married, she replaced them all again. Now that mayor for life crack-daddy Barry is back in, he changed them all back to his name. Im curious how much that alone has cost DC..... At 08:40 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: > > > > >Uh, unfortunately it is kinda like fighting a parking ticket in DC. :-( > >The invoice states that if you disagree with the assessment, you still have >to pay the fee in full, file a grievance, they will review it and rebate >any overcharged amount. Well, I did that and several months later, they >denied my claim citing that it was in line with other assessments of >vehicles in that price range. (indicating to me that others were over >assessed also) Anyhow, at that point, I was moving to Alexandria, had >financially recovered from the tax hit, and decided not to pursue it any >more ... > >--chris > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: cnorloff@XXXXXX >Date: 06/03/98 07:39:13 AM AST >Subject: RE: Equifax > > > > >What happened when you appealed the car's assessed value? >I know here in Falls Church City they have a high-mileage allowance (I got >25% off for 177,000 mi. on my Toyota. Unfortunately they don't think a >Honda CB750F with 50,000 mi. is high-mileage, but my tax on that bike is >only about $12. >Chris Norloff >******************************************************************* >At 09:14 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: >>I'll second that. >> >>I had an Isuzu Rodeo for several years and every time the assessment came >I >>swore up and down that if they would give me the cash value of what they >>assessed it at, I would sell it on the spot. >> >>Has anyone found that the assessed value of a car that is less than, say 5 >>years old, is at all comparable with NADA blue book value? >> >>I stand by my original statement ... It's a racket. >> >>--chris >> >> >>To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >>From: zellto@XXXXXX >>Date: 06/02/98 05:29:54 PM AST >>Subject: RE: Equifax >> >> >> >> >>It wasn't!!! That's the point!!! >>-Tom >>At 04:39 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>>At 04:16 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >>>>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>>>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my >>head >>>>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>>>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? >I'm >>>>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>>>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >>> >>> >>>Virginia charges 5% per year (minus any high-mileage reductions). Your >>>8-year-old car was valued at $12,000? That must be some car! >>> >>>Chris Norloff >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Mike Troutman South Park / Simpsons / Quake Addict (h)703.830.7733 (p)703.660.3098 http://www.troutman.org "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no life guard. " ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 14:52:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28352; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06861; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18184 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA16779; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA01550; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980603185021.IKTQ11142@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:50:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Michael Troutman" CC: "Christopher Meier", cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980603185021.IKTQ11142@[166.41.242.141]> >As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten out of >a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? I have, but it was a Twilight Zone situation. Winter and just one other bike in the bikes only parking area. His at the end of the line, me about 6 bike spaces down. Painted white strips faded to gone. Come out to my bike to find two parking tickets for the same offense. Ticket state I didn't pay the meter, but the meter has about 2-hours left. I paid it. Bike is parked close to edge of designated space. Meter moron determined I was therefore not parked in the space paid for of 10 spaces and not but one other bike in the area!!!!! I sent pictures and drawings and a much more elaborate accounting of the situation to DC adjudication, with copies of the tickets. Within a month I received a ruling in my favor for one of the tickets. A week later I was found guilty for the other one ???? I just paid the damned thing! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 15:30:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28759; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07748; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19024 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhJEP-0001f6-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:29:53 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:27:53 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AEE@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Michael Troutman Cc: Christopher Meier , cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:29:06 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I did the same thing. I was ticketed for a meter I wasn't even PARKED AT!! I had paid for the meter next to it since I was parked in that space. I paid the ticket anyway, it wasn't worth the hassle, really, but maybe that's how they make their $$ and if each ticket writer's quota is 90 tickets per day, I guess she/he got desperate!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 2:39 PM > To: Michael Troutman > Cc: Christopher Meier; cnorloff@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Equifax > > > >As long as we are on that topic, has ANYONE ever successfully gotten > out of > >a DC parking ticket through Mail adjudication? > > > I have, but it was a Twilight Zone situation. Winter and just one > other bike in the bikes only parking area. His at the end of the > line, > me about 6 bike spaces down. Painted white strips faded to gone. > Come out to my bike to find two parking tickets for the same offense. > Ticket state I didn't pay the meter, but the meter has about 2-hours > left. I paid it. Bike is parked close to edge of designated space. > Meter moron determined I was therefore not parked in the space paid > for of 10 spaces and not but one other bike in the area!!!!! > > I sent pictures and drawings and a much more elaborate accounting of > the situation to DC adjudication, with copies of the tickets. Within > a month I received a ruling in my favor for one of the tickets. A > week later I was found guilty for the other one ???? I just paid the > damned thing! > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 16:05:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29407; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08411; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20288 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA03015 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:15:24 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501D9FB@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Saturday Ride Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:07:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm up for a ride this weekend. Sunday would be a little better for me, but I could do a Saturday ride if that's all that's happening. Rich Westbrook > ---------- > From: Thomas H. Gimer > Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 1998 12:52 PM > To: John C. Kozyn > Cc: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Subject: My Summit Racing (long) > > I'd be up for a Saturday ride, John, although my knowledge of decent roads > is limited. Name a time and a place and I'm there. > > John C. Kozyn wrote: > > > Glad to be back though - and I hope to ride this weekend with some of > > y'all. The Interceptor is barking at me, take me out!! > > > > Maybe we can get organized before Thursday people? Some of us have other > > lives too ;) > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 16:36:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29931; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09431; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21611 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806032035.QAA21611@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXP6L; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:40:41 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:35:54 -0400 To: "Westbrook, Richard" , "'DC-Cycles'" From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Saturday Ride In-Reply-To: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501D9FB@GROVER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:07 PM 6/3/98 -0400, Westbrook, Richard wrote: >I'm up for a ride this weekend. Sunday would be a little better for me, but >I could do a Saturday ride if that's all that's happening. > >Rich Westbrook Don't know if a poker run counts, but the Herndon Police Poker Run is on Saturday. Rumor has it that this is one of the better ones (from a food perspective at least!)... I'm going to give it a try (it'll be my first). I guess it's a poker run weekend... the Virago Owner's Club has a poker run on Sunday. Starting in Woodbridge, going to Colonial Beach and back. Who knows, I might do that one also! Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 17:08:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00850; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10406; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22600 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17293 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:08:24 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:08:24 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:09:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT >I'm up for a ride this weekend. Sunday would be a little better for me, but Rich - I'm heading for Toronto (Canada) on Sunday... ('course, I won't be coming back for a week) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 18:48:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02235; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12931; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25031 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA22438; Wed, 3 Jun 98 18:47:20 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 v2.11); 3 Jun 98 15:48:06 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 v2.10); 3 Jun 98 15:47:33 -0800 Received: from DPS486.ARD_BAYVIEW (157.187.160.185) by BAYVIEW (Mercury/32 v2.11); 3 Jun 98 15:47:20 -0800 From: "Bruce Dimon, A&T Engineering, VECTOR Research" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Old Nuggets Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:46:41 -0700 Message-Id: <000201bd8f41$7b1a2880$b9a0bb9d@DPS486.ARD_BAYVIEW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980603133151.00fd4e40@norloff.com> Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > A narrow bike and rider would be harder to see, and wide bike (or rider!) > would be easier to see. After I traded up to my GL1500 Honda Accord, Uh, I mean Gold Wing, I noticed fewer people pulled out in front of me. Seriously! The only explaination is the bike's width. It's huge from the front. Almost looks like a small car. Bruce Breipfjvrp Dimon, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (Core Duh Lane, Eye Duh Hoe) Wing for Go! Not for Show. dimon@XXXXXX Work E-Mail Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Home E-Mail North Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 18:48:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02239; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12965; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25036 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-82.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.82]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id SAA25856; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980603184232.00ab5b80@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:42:32 -0400 To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Old Nuggets In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AE7@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And don't forget about that blind spot in the retina where the nerves converge. I wonder what the angle of that patch is? MET At 01:47 PM 6/3/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Uh oh. I'm glad I got a bigger bike!! > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:32 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Old Nuggets >> >> Good point. I thought I'd checked it out before, but running through >> the >> numbers now, I get a blockage 2.2 ft. wide at 176 ft. away (with my >> 3/8 in. >> pencil). I'm about 2 ft. wide at my shoulders, my bike is a little >> wider. >> 176 ft. is 2 seconds at 60 mph - so I would be just about blocked from >> view, 2 seconds from impact, at 60 mph. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 19:45:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03077; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14486; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26538 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-120-89.s89.tnt14.brd.erols.com [207.172.120.89]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01955; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806032345.TAA01955@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Westbrook, Richard" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:42:49 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My buddy Kevin (VFR 750) and I may be interested in a Saurday ride. Let me know the details. ---------- > From: Westbrook, Richard > To: 'DC-Cycles' > Subject: Saturday Ride > Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 4:07 PM > > I'm up for a ride this weekend. Sunday would be a little better for me, but > I could do a Saturday ride if that's all that's happening. > > Rich Westbrook > > > > ---------- > > From: Thomas H. Gimer > > Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 1998 12:52 PM > > To: John C. Kozyn > > Cc: dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Subject: My Summit Racing (long) > > > > I'd be up for a Saturday ride, John, although my knowledge of decent roads > > is limited. Name a time and a place and I'm there. > > > > John C. Kozyn wrote: > > > > > Glad to be back though - and I hope to ride this weekend with some of > > > y'all. The Interceptor is barking at me, take me out!! > > > > > > Maybe we can get organized before Thursday people? Some of us have other > > > lives too ;) > > > > -- > > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 19:46:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03086; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14515; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26549 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr26-dialup52.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EU000IBK1ZK2K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:44:42 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002a01bd8ec3$7a1056e0$744937a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Geez Kevin, what did the little Duc. ever do to you? ;-) I wasn't suggesting he get a 748 for sport touring. I figured he wants something sporty and since he was seriously considering the TL-R, why not the 748? I personally think the 748 is a lot more comfortable than a VFR, but that's my preference. I'm short(5'6") and like bikes that have high pegs and low bars. Yeah, it's down on power compared to the TL-R(can be remedied), but how many 748's do you see? Having something a little unique is nice too Jon Schumer. -----Original Message----- From: klthomas@XXXXXX To: Dawn & Jon Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R >Jon-- > >'cause it's short on torque, comfort and reliability? Is it really only >$10k? Don't get me wrong, if I ever buy anything besides a VFR, the ST2 >tops my list, but I don't expect that'll ever happen... > >later >Kevin > >ps-- oh, wait, I 'spect the 748 _is_ phat (whatever that is), so maybe >that's more important to this buyer. > >At 01:51 AM 6/3/98 +0000, you wrote: >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dawn & Jon >>To: Thomas W. Zell >>Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:50 AM >>Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R >> >> >>>Might as well throw my 2yen worth out. IMO, if your going to spend 10K on >>>a new bike, how about the Ducati 748? That yellow one is the sweetest >>>looking bike out there. >>> >>>Jon Schumer >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Thomas W. Zell >>>To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>> >>>Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 3:38 AM >>>Subject: Re: Fwd: TL1000R >>> >>> >>>>Well Sean, I'm not trying to steer you away from the ride that you want... >>>>I was just trying to provide you with more things to consider. Anyway, >>>>good choice in bike. I hope it serves you well! >>>> >>>>Tom >>>> >>>>At 07:24 PM 6/2/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >>>>>From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX >>>>>Return-path: >>>>>To: gixer@XXXXXX >>>>>Subject: Re: TL1000R >>>>>Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:23:12 EDT >>>>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>>>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>>>> >>>>>Well, I tell you what, Im not really worried about what place it takes in >>>a >>>>>race. Im never going to race the thing. I just want a phat bike, thats >>>not >>>>>too popular, yet is an attention getter. And I think Ive found it. It >>>>may be >>>>>heavier than a gsxr, or not a s fast as a tl-s, but hell, this bike does >>>>>everything I ever wanted a bike to do, except for those creature comforts >>>in >>>>>the Goldwing(my dream bike). >>>>> >>>>>Sean Petr >>>>> >>> >> >> >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 20:10:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03295; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA15642; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26837 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA15422; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:09:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806040009.TAA15422@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from 1cust42.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net(153.35.88.42) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015387; Wed Jun 3 19:09:35 1998 From: "Bill Schmidt" To: "Chris Norloff" , , "Bruce Dimon, A&T Engineering, VECTOR Research" Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:09:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Old Nuggets Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000201bd8f41$7b1a2880$b9a0bb9d@DPS486.ARD_BAYVIEW> References: <3.0.1.32.19980603133151.00fd4e40@norloff.com> I've noticed the same thing Bruce. You can almost see the consciousness returning to the cager's eyes as they try and compute what it is their senses are registering. "What's happening? Oh, there's something there." (And if I switch on the headlight modulator they adopt the "Maybe if I just look small the officer won't bother me" mode.) I don't normally ride with the modulator on all the time -- for lots of the reasons discussed on other lists -- but I used it more or less continuously for a while on a trip to TN a couple of weeks ago. It was interesting to see the cages in the left lane snap out of their day dreams, tap the brakes to disengage their cruise control, and slip into the right lane with the "eyes straight ahead" posture. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > A narrow bike and rider would be harder to see, and wide bike (or rider!) > > would be easier to see. > > After I traded up to my GL1500 Honda Accord, Uh, I mean Gold Wing, I noticed > fewer people pulled out in front of me. Seriously! The only explaination is > the bike's width. It's huge from the front. Almost looks like a small car. Bill Schmidt billsch@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 20:43:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03570; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16888; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27257 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-12.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.53]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA22260 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: <061701bd8f51$d34cf180$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:43:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ooops. Sorry I cant hear you, I've got a helmet in my ear. Was my face red. Happy it wasn't too visible. Me going north on 23rd Street 4:30p-ish. Just threading my way through rush traffic about the Virginia Ave. overpass, I'm in middle lane. Cage in front of me stops, for no apparent reason, at green light where westbound access crosses 23rd on the north side of the overpass, such access road/traffic very obscured by high concrete walls. My lightning-like thoughts -- Hmmm, lotsa city noise around, busy time, left turners, veerers, siren, hurriers, etc. WHY doesn't this cage move? BD? Press horn. No movement. Press horn again. Obnoxious. Cages all around, I think they are also thinking what a dolt this stopped one is. About ready to around on right when out pops from the obscured access road an ambulance, siren screaming. I revert to sheep. (Tried for 2 blocks to convey "sorry". Never acknowledged. Then he follows me at a *very* respectful distance. BDM, I'm sure he's thinking.) Siren. Siren. Darned if there hadn't been a siren, the sound to which I, as a city dweller on a major ambulance route, have become immune. Sleep through them constantly. Have people on the phone remark how I must live in the middle of town. Have callouses on my siren receptor neurons. And the helmet denied obvious direction. I'm sure I subconsciously checked front and back as normal scanning in that turbulent traffic. But nothing clued me in to the siren coming from the side, hidden. What to do? Maybe nothing, given the rarity of this hidden siren event. I ponder again about earplugs (for me, hiway use only) and their downsides. Still -- it's an itch to be scratched, this helmet-in-my-ear phenomenon. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD If he didn't see me, it's my fault. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 20:50:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03631; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17113; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27339 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr26-dialup52.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EU000PD34ZF3Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:50:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:49:25 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: TL1000R To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000c01bd8ecc$846499e0$744937a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Sweet!! Congratulations Sean, I hope to see it soon. You'll have to tell us how it rides. Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 12:12 AM Subject: Re: TL1000R >Well, So much for waiting a week. Today I went and signed over my first born >on a new TL-R. I dont pick it up till saturday because no one had the Yellow >and black one in stock. So after things smooth out at my new location(work) I >might be able to take some weekends off and cruise(quite briskly) once again. >Talk to you all later. > >Sean Petr >'98 TL1000R (finally!!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 21:10:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03773; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18110; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27639 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA27415 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35761E83.5327@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:11:47 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: conceal laws: RE: Fender Bender club Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:29 -0400 (EDT) > From: Todd Peer > DC-Cycles is back on the ole conceal and carry thread. Yippee! > I was in the post office the other day and noted the sign prohibiting > firearms on the premesis. Had to chuckle given the propensity of postal > workers going berserker with firearms. :) Hey Todd et al.. Actually a new phrase has entered the lexicon: "...Going Postal" ! What a hoot. -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 22:56:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04595; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18954; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28977 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.132]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 282 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3575C60A.B04687ED@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 22:54:19 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re:Fender Benders & Old Nuggets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just Could'nt Resist....Hope noone gets offended.... :~) Extreme Bumper Stickers ======================== Who lit the fuse on your tampon? God is my co-pilot, but the Devil is my bombardier. I don't have a license to kill. I have a learner's permit. I wasn't born a bitch. Men like you made me this way. Keep honking while I reload. Taxation WITH representation isn't so hot, either! Who were the beta testers for Preparations A through G? Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. 5 days a week my body is a temple. The other two, it's an amusement park. EARTH FIRST! We'll stripmine the other planets later. Your child may be an honor student but you're still an idiot. If you can read this, I might hit my brakes and sue you. Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes. Whitewater is over when the First Lady sings. Jack Kevorkian for White House physician. Just say no! to sex with pro-lifers. My wife keeps complaining I never listen to her ...or something like that. Sure you can trust the government! Just ask an Indian! If we are what we eat; I'm cheap, fast, and easy. Stop repeat offenders. Don't re-elect them! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 23:34:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04885; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19178; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29399 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA03480; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:30:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:29:00 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re:Fender Benders & Old Nuggets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3575C60A.B04687ED@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, jencraig wrote: > Extreme Bumper Stickers > ======================== > I wasn't born a bitch. Men like you made me this way. I like the one,"49% bitch,51% sweetheart.Don't push it." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 23:36:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04904; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19239; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29446 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s13.wizard.net [206.161.15.43]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02495 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:35:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980603233312.00970d60@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:33:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: County Stickers Was: Equifax In-Reply-To: <19980603150509.KREQ20960@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Folks, government is just a tool. Its my opinion that I pay taxes to get services: roads, law enforcement (though i think it should be peace enforcement - laws are just an means to an end), schools, other government functions, etc, etc. I can't think of a country I want to live in that doesn't have a well developed government (who wants to move to Nigeria or Indonesia?). I _can_ think of some countries that I don't want to live in (France) that have over-developed governments, but those are less common. I think anyone and everyone should question what their tax dollars are spent on and whether in the spending of those dollars a good value is received. I don't think terming taxes "theft" is either accurate or appropriate. So much that government does right is taken for granted these days that we forget that it is even there, and just focus on what it doesn't do right. That being said, I have many criticisms of just about any government agency you can name. But I also suspect many of the failings that any agency has is due to the quality of the elected officials and the direction and oversight that they give. As an example, look at D.C. The citizens there have gotten exactly what they voted for (which may differ from what they think they voted for, but thats another issue). Anyway, I live in Arlington, and when I pay my 6% meals tax, and 4.5% sales tax, and whatever real estate tax is included in my rent, and 550 bux for PPT on my 96 Chrysler this fall (plus about $2 bux on my CX ;o), I keep in mind that this is a damn nice place to live because those taxes are paid by me and everyone else living here, and because the moneies that are collected are also well spent. And as soon as the government here doesn't do its job right, I'm going to vote with my vote. And if that doesn't work, I'll vote with my feet. Just my 2 cents. No offense to anyone intended. Tom 1980 CX500D At 11:00 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >Just this side of a serious revolt, we will forever pay the tax man. > >If you owned a car that was worth enough to the tax man to extort $600 >out of you, you must have had your priorities mixed up. I've never >owned a cage that cost me more than $170 a year in taxes, most likely >because I don't value a cage as much as I do motorcycles. > >My old man refuses to pay as well for some of the reasons you wrote, >but mostly out of principal. I mean he's able to dump thousands into >his fishing boat - his priorities. By not paying his taxes, and for >everyone else who doesn't, the cumulative effect is felt by those who >do pay. > >We could go on and on about this, and just so you know I'm playing >devils advocate since I believe taxing of any sort is theft. I feel >like I'm being robbed everytime the tax man sticks his hand out. > >I just don't believe the cops are to keen on spending time writing >tickets for such bullshit. > >Now, about that revolt >:> > > >Tom Zell wrote: >>HEY!!! Wait a minute!!!! I used to be one of those "low lifes" that >>couldn't afford to pay that stupid tax. I had to keep a roof over my head >>and provide for another person. How the hell could the government still >>charge a person $600 worth of tax on a car that was eight years old? I'm >>in no way against the police on this.... they're doing their jobs. It's >>the folks that we elect that allow this to continue. >> >>At 12:27 PM 6/2/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >>> >>> Before this turns into a Cop-Bashing thread, keep in mind that >>> they may not be very interested in your time management needs >>> when they've been instructed to nab all the scofflaws that did >>> not pay their taxes and get their stickers. If I were a cop and >>> was put on road-block duty, I'd be pissed! I mean, there's got >>> to be some knuckle head out there, dumb enough to try and run >>> from me, then when I catch him/her I could beat the shit out of >>> them with my club. And here I am checking stickers!!!(sarcasm, ok?). >>> >>> If citizens would complain more to both the police department and >>> the taxing authority, that might be translated into less of this >>> kind of crap. Make a suggestion as to how to handle the low lifes >>> that get away w/o paying when you do. >>> >>> In any case, you're on the road (public) and are subject to this >>> sort of interrogation, like it or not. I'm sure the police would >>> rather be doing something else. >>> >>> Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 23:45:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04945; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19336; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29601 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:02 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s13.wizard.net [206.161.15.43]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02911; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:44:58 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980603234212.00964530@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:42:12 -0400 To: "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear In-Reply-To: <061701bd8f51$d34cf180$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ah, tunnel vision. So far, while I'm on my bike, I've had to work very hard to keep in mind that its easy to get, and hard to fight. I even get it in the cage sometimes, with 11 years experience, when I'm in a hurry or when I've got other things on my mind. I also keep in mind what they said at my MSF course "You will go where you look"..... Tom 1980 CX500D At 08:43 PM 6/3/98 -0400, mobacc wrote: >Ooops. Sorry I cant hear you, I've got a helmet in my ear. > >Was my face red. Happy it wasn't too visible. > >Me going north on 23rd Street 4:30p-ish. Just threading my way through rush >traffic about the Virginia Ave. overpass, I'm in middle lane. Cage in front >of me stops, for no apparent reason, at green light where westbound access >crosses 23rd on the north side of the overpass, such access road/traffic >very obscured by high concrete walls. > >My lightning-like thoughts -- Hmmm, lotsa city noise around, busy time, left >turners, veerers, siren, hurriers, etc. WHY doesn't this cage move? BD? >Press horn. > >No movement. Press horn again. Obnoxious. Cages all around, I think they >are also thinking what a dolt this stopped one is. About ready to around on >right when out pops from the obscured access road an ambulance, siren >screaming. I revert to sheep. (Tried for 2 blocks to convey "sorry". >Never acknowledged. Then he follows me at a *very* respectful distance. >BDM, I'm sure he's thinking.) > >Siren. Siren. Darned if there hadn't been a siren, the sound to which I, >as a city dweller on a major ambulance route, have become immune. Sleep >through them constantly. Have people on the phone remark how I must live in >the middle of town. Have callouses on my siren receptor neurons. > >And the helmet denied obvious direction. I'm sure I subconsciously checked >front and back as normal scanning in that turbulent traffic. But nothing >clued me in to the siren coming from the side, hidden. > >What to do? Maybe nothing, given the rarity of this hidden siren event. I >ponder again about earplugs (for me, hiway use only) and their downsides. >Still -- it's an itch to be scratched, this helmet-in-my-ear phenomenon. > >Bill Swanson / DC >96 EN500 LTD >If he didn't see me, it's my fault. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 3 23:56:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05018; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19473; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29730 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA03625; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:52:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:33:31 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Equifax To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > The reason that cop is there is to catch all the idiot drivers that don't > realize the right hand lane ONLY turns right from 6:30 to 9:30 AM. Actually,they pull people over under the overpass;people going up the ramp to Wash Blvd/395 are missed.Still,this sorta-cloverleaf has got to be in the top 10 worst intersections in this area.I walk through there on a daily basis,and you'd be amazed at some of the stuff I've seen.Anyone traveling through it be warned. > It used to be more exciting when they had the reversible lanes at rush hour > especially in the afternoon. If you got in that far left lane there were > always idiots turning left onto Courthouse blocking oncoming traffic. What was worse were the idiots who would try to be slick and beat the reverse at the light.They'd pull into a lane that was oncoming on the opposite side of the intersection,then when the light would change they'd floor it and change into the proper lane in the middle of the intersection. And of course I love the people who cut across all lanes of traffic (w/out a signal,natch) to take one of the offramps,when if they'd just traveled another 50 yrds they could've legally used the proper one. The official Buellboy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 01:25:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06097; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21740; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00735 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA04701; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:23:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Leon Begeman cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I'm alive---but not for long. In-Reply-To: <35740723.51710460@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > The third reason, perhaps. But, it is illegal to discriminate against > those with limited motor skills and poor eyesight. Americans with > disabilities can and should be allowed on the road. Yup, but not driving motor vehicles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 01:36:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06141; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21817; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00967 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA05087; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:34:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:34:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Equifax In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980603133820.0102c9c0@norloff.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 11:16 AM 6/3/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: > > >I hate the DC government. Have you all noticed that every sign has 'xxxxx, > >mayor' on it? When Sharon Pratt Kelly took over, she replaced every sign > >with her name. Then when she married, she replaced them all again. Now > >that mayor for life crack-daddy Barry is back in, he changed them all back > >to his name. Im curious how much that alone has cost DC..... > > Barry be leaving. Someone finally talked him into not running again. Great. New signs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 01:40:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06154; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21914; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01258 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA05489; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:38:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:38:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Gil M. Nissley" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fender Bender club In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Gil M. Nissley wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Thomas W. Zell wrote: > > That story is nothing more than folk lore. > > >As for flashing high-beams at assholes, here is a scary story that I heard > > >soon after moving to the DC Area. Don't know if it's just folk tales meant > > >to scare children or not, but the rumor goes that there are people in a gang > > >that drive around at night with only parking lights on, and if you flash > > >your highbeams at them they will follow you to whereever you stop and shoot > > >you dead. Consequently I never flash my lights at people anymore...period. > > Unfortunately,it's true.It was a gang initiation.They also had a > thing where they would look for a woman who was pumping her own gas, > then follow her home and cap her.We had warnings about them here at > the Pentagon. Pardon my scepticism, but the pentagon is not high on my list of reliable sources. Any known cases? --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 02:37:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA06686; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22334; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01989 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA05280; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:34:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:30:20 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Fender Bender club To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Garcia Oliver wrote: > Pardon my scepticism, but the pentagon is not high on my list of reliable > sources. Any known cases? After checking out Chris' web site,I have to wonder.I did read about the gas pumping thing in the paper,but that could've just been a regular carjacking. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 07:24:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08693; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24511; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04803 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA20669 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:24:20 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:24:20 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Old Nuggets Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:25:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >It's huge from the front. Almost looks like a small car. You're right - I looked! It's only a little wider than the average small car Michael (only half in jest) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 08:44:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09832; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25066; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05800 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8F94.B444EE30@XXXXXX>; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:42:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Bye for now Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:42:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT We are migrating over to a new mail system today, tomorrow and thru the weekend so I want to unsubscribe so that the existing mail server doesn't get too much mail. See you next week. Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 09:11:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10209; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25231; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06328 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8F98.805D6FD0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:09:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Almost Moto related - going GS camping Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:09:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT I'm going to camp with my Brownie girl scouts at Camp May Flather near Harrisonburg, VA. We're taking 66 to 81 getting off at Exit 240 (Mt. Crawford, Bridgewater). Now I know it's only been a few weeks since I came up that way, but can anyone tell me if there's a McDonalds/Wendys/Burger King around that exit. My girls will be hungry about then and we wanted some fast food. Please e-mail me directly at my home e-mail horstman@XXXXXX Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 09:39:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10808; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25593; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07452 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A34249401E6; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:38:10 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980604092921.0101cba0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:29:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Blind Spot, was RE: Old Nuggets In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980603184232.00ab5b80@wingate> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715AE7@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:42 PM 6/3/98 -0400, Mark E. Truelove wrote: >And don't forget about that blind spot in the retina where the nerves >converge. I wonder what the angle of that patch is? According to the Engineering Data Compendium: Human Perception and Performance, it's an area covering about 14-18 deg. to the side. It didn't say exactly how big the blind spot is, but I got this off a graph. The blind spot is where the optic nerve from the brain connects to the eye's retina. So your left eye has a blind spot about 14-18 deg. to the left, and your right eye has a blind spot about 14-18 deg. to the right. This blind spot is compensated for by having two eyes, and is not part of foveal (detail) sight, when you move your eyes to focus on something to see. (The fovea has the concentration of cones, the parts that see color and detail. Cone density is greatest in the central 2 deg. or so of vision, and falls rapidly to its minimum about 10 deg. from center.) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 09:39:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10809; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25597; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07456 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A34049401E6; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:38:11 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980604094200.0101c2f0@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:42:00 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Old Nuggets In-Reply-To: <199806040009.TAA15422@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> References: <000201bd8f41$7b1a2880$b9a0bb9d@DPS486.ARD_BAYVIEW> <3.0.1.32.19980603133151.00fd4e40@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:09 PM 6/3/98 -0500, Bill Schmidt wrote: >I don't normally ride with the modulator on all the time -- for lots >of the reasons discussed on other lists -- but I used it >more or less continuously for a while on a trip to TN a couple of >weeks ago. It was interesting to see the cages in the left >lane snap out of their day dreams, tap the brakes to disengage their >cruise control, and slip into the right lane with the "eyes straight >ahead" posture. Great! I've noticed that too, both with a headlight modulator (great for clearing the left lane sometimes) and with additional lights on the front. Wig-wag flashers can also do a Moses effect on the traffic in front of you, but are probably illegal. Beau Pacheco (Rider magazine (?)) did something like that and wrote about it some years ago. He dressed as an ordinary biker, then dressed like a police officer (jack boots, blue stripe on trousers, blue shirt, blue shorty helmet). He got more respect, and even had one guy blow a red light, pull and over yell his apologies. Thinking about protective coloration :-) I've been wondering about the possible advantages of a pro-gun or "gun nut" bumper sticker on the back of my bike. Something along the lines of "Insured by Smith & Wesson" but that would have quick identification to cagers, and mean "small vehicle, big sting". Your thoughts? Chris Norloff P.S. Please don't respond either pro or anti-guns, that's not the point. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 10:16:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11161; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25988; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08178 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABF811E8012E; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:15:20 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980604101653.01000e30@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:16:53 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear In-Reply-To: <061701bd8f51$d34cf180$2e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >And the helmet denied obvious direction. I'm sure I subconsciously checked >front and back as normal scanning in that turbulent traffic. But nothing >clued me in to the siren coming from the side, hidden. Even with ear plugs, I still hear sirens before most car drivers. Still, though, I don't wear ear plugs for in-town trips - partly to give me just a little more edge in city traffic. I find that by rotating my head I can help localize where the siren is coming from, but in a city of walls, there's so much reflection that direction to the source can be confused. Was the car driver relying on hearing or seeing? >What to do? Maybe nothing, given the rarity of this hidden siren event. I >ponder again about earplugs (for me, hiway use only) and their downsides. >Still -- it's an itch to be scratched, this helmet-in-my-ear phenomenon. I think what you did was just about right. You didn't just fly out after the first horn press, you waited and wondered, and observed traffic around you. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 10:21:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11247; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26032; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08243 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA501 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:13:45 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:18:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:21:20 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Old Nuggets -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline You left out the bike in that Rider article--A big honkin white Electra Glide. It's hard not to lift/roll off when you see one. As far as a "don't F with me" bike, I vote for an olive drab Neval/Dnepr with a dummy .50 cal machine gun mounted to the sidecar. 'Course you wouldn't have to worry about the passing lane since it tops out at 50mph. Joe '86 Ninja 900 >>> Chris Norloff - 6/4/98 9:42 AM >>> At 08:09 PM 6/3/98 -0500, Bill Schmidt wrote: >I don't normally ride with the modulator on all the time -- for lots >of the reasons discussed on other lists -- but I used it >more or less continuously for a while on a trip to TN a couple of >weeks ago. It was interesting to see the cages in the left >lane snap out of their day dreams, tap the brakes to disengage their >cruise control, and slip into the right lane with the "eyes straight >ahead" posture. Great! I've noticed that too, both with a headlight modulator (great for clearing the left lane sometimes) and with additional lights on the front. Wig-wag flashers can also do a Moses effect on the traffic in front of you, but are probably illegal. Beau Pacheco (Rider magazine (?)) did something like that and wrote about it some years ago. He dressed as an ordinary biker, then dressed like a police officer (jack boots, blue stripe on trousers, blue shirt, blue shorty helmet). He got more respect, and even had one guy blow a red light, pull and over yell his apologies. Thinking about protective coloration :-) I've been wondering about the possible advantages of a pro-gun or "gun nut" bumper sticker on the back of my bike. Something along the lines of "Insured by Smith & Wesson" but that would have quick identification to cagers, and mean "small vehicle, big sting". Your thoughts? Chris Norloff P.S. Please don't respond either pro or anti-guns, that's not the point. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 10:33:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11426; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26193; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08455 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 237; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3576B01F.2FCE7B5F@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:33:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Old Nuggets References: <000201bd8f41$7b1a2880$b9a0bb9d@DPS486.ARD_BAYVIEW> <3.0.1.32.19980603133151.00fd4e40@XXXXXX> <3.0.1.32.19980604094200.0101c2f0@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Thinking about protective coloration :-) I've been wondering about the > possible advantages of a pro-gun or "gun nut" bumper sticker on the back of > my bike. Something along the lines of "Insured by Smith & Wesson" but that > would have quick identification to cagers, and mean "small vehicle, big > sting". > Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw, it had an black outline of a revolver, and the message: Forget about the dog, Beware of Owner :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 10:33:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11430; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26198; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08462 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA26880 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:32:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA10974 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:32:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980604143207.JCIG7401@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:32:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: County Stickers Was: Equifax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980604143207.JCIG7401@[166.41.242.141]> Tom thetrick wrote: >Folks, government is just a tool. Its my opinion that I pay taxes to get >services: roads, law enforcement (though i think it should be peace >enforcement - laws are just an means to an end), schools, other government >functions, etc, etc. Agree with you to an extent. There are a lot of 'Services' govt. bureaucrats will never give up control to private sectors that would undoubtadly do a better job. And then I'd have a choice whether to seek their 'Services' or not, paying only when I use them. > I can't think of a country I want to live in that >doesn't have a well developed government (who wants to move to Nigeria or >Indonesia?). I _can_ think of some countries that I don't want to live in >(France) that have over-developed governments, but those are less common. Presumably we are speaking of the USA. Comparisons to other countries are irrelevent. >I think anyone and everyone should question what their tax dollars are >spent on and whether in the spending of those dollars a good value is >received. Good. Question. Absolutely. But they still get your money. > I don't think terming taxes "theft" is either accurate or >appropriate. So much that government does right is taken for granted these >days that we forget that it is even there, and just focus on what it >doesn't do right. That being said, I have many criticisms of just about >any government agency you can name. But I also suspect many of the >failings that any agency has is due to the quality of the elected officials >and the direction and oversight that they give. You're probably right about how leadership, or lack thereof brings a great dis-'Service' to the agencies they oversee. However, there are so many government agencies that it would be impossible to oversee all of them with the proper attention necessary to make them work right. And that begs a question as to the validity of some of these agencies. I won't offer examples since it's a waste of time and space in this forum. Come private if interested. As for taxation as 'theft' goes, your wrong. Ask any poor schmuck serving time or paying outrageous penalties because he refused to pay the tax-man. Govt. levies a tax, you don't pay, you go to jail. Theif points a gun, you don't pay, you go to hell. > >As an example, look at D.C. The citizens there have gotten exactly what >they voted for (which may differ from what they think they voted for, but >thats another issue). > >Anyway, I live in Arlington, and when I pay my 6% meals tax, and 4.5% sales >tax, and whatever real estate tax is included in my rent, and 550 bux for >PPT on my 96 Chrysler this fall (plus about $2 bux on my CX ;o), I keep in >mind that this is a damn nice place to live because those taxes are paid by >me and everyone else living here, and because the moneies that are >collected are also well spent. And as soon as the government here doesn't >do its job right, I'm going to vote with my vote. And if that doesn't >work, I'll vote with my feet. > Sure, it's a damn nice place to live, but give yourself a little credit for that. There's no way you're going to get me to believe that because you pay some percentage of your wage to your local government that it's your government that makes your township so nice. It's the people, isn't it? The 'Services' provided (save for the more politically charged ones) could be better served by private industry, your tax payment would be less, and you'd probably be living in a damned nicer place. >Just my 2 cents. No offense to anyone intended. > >Tom > >1980 CX500D None taken. Just can't stand by and have people tell me I need government. No offense. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 10:46:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11685; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26461; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.237.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08814 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA09611; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:46:47 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers4-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma009463; Thu, 4 Jun 98 10:46:36 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA00150; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:40:45 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256619.004FEED7 ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:04 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256619.0050B258.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:47:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, but the issue here is not the ability to hear, but rather your desensitization to certain sounds. As an Ex-US Air Force dependent, who lived on B-52 bases for 20 years, I can tell you that I do NOT hear jet air planes. Even when I used to live Arlington in National's filght pattern, friends would always comment on the noise and I would have to focus my thinking on it to hear it. I, too used to live in DC and do remember a few cases where I failed to hear sirens. Not because I have poor hearing, but simply because they are so frequent an occurrance that it gets filtered out as background noise, I guess. Later, chris (huh?, Whaddid you say?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: 06/04/98 10:16:53 AM AST Subject: Re: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear >And the helmet denied obvious direction. I'm sure I subconsciously checked >front and back as normal scanning in that turbulent traffic. But nothing >clued me in to the siren coming from the side, hidden. Even with ear plugs, I still hear sirens before most car drivers. Still, though, I don't wear ear plugs for in-town trips - partly to give me just a little more edge in city traffic. I find that by rotating my head I can help localize where the siren is coming from, but in a city of walls, there's so much reflection that direction to the source can be confused. Was the car driver relying on hearing or seeing? >What to do? Maybe nothing, given the rarity of this hidden siren event. I >ponder again about earplugs (for me, hiway use only) and their downsides. >Still -- it's an itch to be scratched, this helmet-in-my-ear phenomenon. I think what you did was just about right. You didn't just fly out after the first horn press, you waited and wondered, and observed traffic around you. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 11:16:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12416; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26906; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09814 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:16:07 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA17822 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:15:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199806041515.AA17822@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:15:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:15:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:15:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:14:02 -0400 Subject: Re:Fender Benders & Old Nuggets To: gnissley@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..or.. "If I wanted you on my ass I would have dropped my pants" > On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, jencraig wrote: > > Extreme Bumper Stickers > > ======================== > > I wasn't born a bitch. Men like you made me this way. > > I like the one,"49% bitch,51% sweetheart.Don't push it." > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 11:51:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13042; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28940; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10740 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:51:13 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZAAa04556 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5720c9d3.3576c24d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:50:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ooops. Sorry . . . helmet in my ear Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 One thing I noticed, maybe I misread your first post, but didnt you say that the other drivers around were wondering why this guy had stopped? That would indicate that they didnt hear anything either! Could even be that the stopper had a police scanner or something and knew before the siren got there that it was coming. Jack 97 TL1000 "Liz" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 14:45:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16041; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04346; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16388 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 314 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3576EB37.B0E84CFD@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:45:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Top ten reasons why Squids *do* wave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shamelessly stolen from rec.motorcycles... :-) (In response to Motorcycle Online's lists re: Harleys and Gold Wings...) 10. Sudden acceleration broke left hand loose...trying to make it look intentional 9. Showing off metal studs on glove palms 8. Needs help picking up crashed bike 7. Needs someone to buy beer 6. Needs help transporting beer 5. Needs directions to nearest kegger 4. Actually signalling a turn; simulated carbon fiber blinkers don't actually work 3. To salute adoring fans after screaming through their neighborhood at 80 2. Left hand needs something to do during spectacular one-handed wheelies 1. High school girls are almost certain to wave back -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 15:47:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16840; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06300; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (known coopers-fwd.us.coopers.com [205.183.232.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18344 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA27559 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:46:52 -0400 Received: from flpa03.colybrand.com by coopers2-bh.us.coopers.com via smap (3.2) id xma027511; Thu, 4 Jun 98 15:46:49 -0400 Received: from smtpgw2 by flpa03 (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/03Apr96-1214PM) id AA21726; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:40:59 -0400 Received: by smtpgw2.colybrand.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256619.006B6DEA ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:33:24 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: C&L US@C&L US SMTP From: "Christopher Meier" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <85256619.006C8C90.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:47:31 -0400 Subject: MSF ERC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I am taking the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Experienced Riders Class this Sunday at the Loudon NOVA Campus. Just curious if anyone else was taking it, or if any of our resident MSF instructors were going to be the ones teaching it. Later, chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 15:49:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16880; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06545; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18430 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.122]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 271; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:47:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3576B2FB.D4063A07@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 15:45:15 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "cbr600twt@XXXXXX tom" , dc-cycles , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , thomas Gimer , "zbig@XXXXXX" Subject: saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok i got a message from zbig about a ride.....I.responded but I have not heard back yet... I went out for a thrash this afternoon and have a nice twisty,elevation change with some HIGH SPEED capabality areas if you all want to go.... :~)....took about 4 hrs. but i only stopped once and that was for gas...(i'm sure leon would approve of that) Or if someone else has a good plan please count me in...Either saturday or sunday but can only be one ......got to spend some time with the wife....this weekend. Craig Blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 16:04:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17185; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07723; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18869 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24085; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:03:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Christopher Meier cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF ERC In-Reply-To: <85256619.006C8C90.00@smtpgw2.colybrand.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris -- I'm slated to be there this Sunday as well. I need to dig up my confirmation and see exactly where it is... -ph On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Christopher Meier wrote: > I am taking the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Experienced Riders Class this > Sunday at the Loudon NOVA Campus. Just curious if anyone else was taking > it, or if any of our resident MSF instructors were going to be the ones > teaching it. > > Later, > chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 16:16:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17353; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08019; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19198 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id QAA08098; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip223.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.111.223) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma008091; Thu, 4 Jun 98 16:15:14 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980604161458.008ad820@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:15:19 -0400 To: "Christopher Meier", dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: MIKE Subject: Re: MSF ERC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Im taking mine July 10-12 in full battle gear. Sure is gonna be hot in that parking lot :0 At 03:47 PM 6/4/98 -0400, Christopher Meier wrote: > > > > >I am taking the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Experienced Riders Class this >Sunday at the Loudon NOVA Campus. Just curious if anyone else was taking >it, or if any of our resident MSF instructors were going to be the ones >teaching it. > >Later, >chris > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 20:49:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19996; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14335; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24755 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-132.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.132]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13474 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980604205117.006aa2f4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 20:51:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Back from New England Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just to let everyone know that after five days and nearly 2000 miles, I'm back from my motorcycle journey through New York and New England. The short version is: Sunday: Bethesda to Watkins Glen, NY Monday: Watkins Glen to Lake Placid, NY Tuesday: Lake Placid to Boothbay Harbor, ME Wednesday: Boothbay Harbor to Brattleboro, VT Thursday: Brattleboro back to Bethesda (!) I'll have a trip summary and photos on my website shortly. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 21:35:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20272; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14674; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25487 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA04027; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806050136.VAA04027@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: saturday ride To: Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jencraig@XXXXXX, cbr600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" at Jun 4, 98 09:14:02 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Sounds like a cheap date. Keep me posted on which day you want to go. I'll > go either but I think Sunday is supposed to be a better day weather wise. > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > Let me check weather. My doaughter has dance & Swimming classes on Saturdays, my wife drives her there so for me it is a day for riding... Sunday is always a discussion and confict between bike and family. So, my preference is saturday - unless that is raining. Glen, can you get in touch with the resto fo the guys - V-max, 900RR, & co ? _zjt > > > ok i got a message from zbig about a ride.....I.responded but I have not > > heard back yet... > > I went out for a thrash this afternoon and have a nice twisty,elevation > > change with some > > HIGH SPEED capabality areas if you all want to go.... :~)....took about > > 4 hrs. > > but i only stopped once and that was for gas...(i'm sure leon would > > approve of that) > > Or if someone else has a good plan please count me in...Either saturday > > or sunday > > but can only be one ......got to spend some time with the wife....this > > weekend. > > Craig Blue TL > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 22:14:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20628; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15117; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26102 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:14:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WNQDa22587 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:13:25 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <88b6943d.35775446@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:13:25 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TL1000R Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, So much for waiting a week. Today I went and signed over my first born on a new TL-R. I dont pick it up till saturday because no one had the Yellow and black one in stock. So after things smooth out at my new location(work) I might be able to take some weekends off and cruise(quite briskly) once again. Talk to you all later. Sean Petr '98 TL1000R (finally!!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 22:26:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20695; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15212; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26274 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p194.smart.net [206.97.127.194]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA32522; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:25:41 -0400 Message-ID: <357758E5.7A3796AC@smart.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 22:33:09 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL1000R References: <88b6943d.35775446@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does this mean you got a yellow one or settled for the gixer scheme? I'd love to see the yellow one in person. CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, So much for waiting a week. Today I went and signed over my first born > on a new TL-R. I dont pick it up till saturday because no one had the Yellow > and black one in stock. So after things smooth out at my new location(work) I > might be able to take some weekends off and cruise(quite briskly) once again. > Talk to you all later. > > Sean Petr > '98 TL1000R (finally!!) -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 4 23:18:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21090; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15934; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26953 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20180 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35778E1A.4144@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:20:10 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Saturday Ride Revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys and Gals, OK, We seem to have developed _some_ interest in a Saturday ride - you Poker Runners notwithstanding ;) Anyone have a plan? VA or MD - I don't care, but I wanna be able to get some of that carbon off my plugs. Way I figure we have at least 4-5 interested. Sounds like a nice, manageable group to me. I'd love to do the MD run similar to what Steve Harris did last November or where Todd Peer led us last summer. But I'm also willing to do VA 606, Snickersville, maybe 647 too.. whatever. Ciao, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 01:16:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22329; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18064; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28507 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr4-dialup17.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EU200CQSBXWUY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:15:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 13:14:51 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Yes!!!!!! To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000101bd8fba$c3c07160$d14337a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 LET'S GO CAPS! LET'S GO CAPS! I've been waiting ~20 years Bring home the cup guys. Jon Schumer (hockey nut) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 02:39:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23089; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA19100; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29881 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:39:27 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WADBa05150 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:38:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Yes!!!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-06-05 01:19:46 EDT, you write: << LET'S GO CAPS! LET'S GO CAPS! >> Yuck.......watch the Caps get crushed by the Wings or Stars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jack (Die hard Devils fan) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 03:09:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA23240; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA19269; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00241 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA12701; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:05:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:52:45 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: County Stickers Was To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980604143207.JCIG7401@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I got one even better than the sticker check roadblocks.Yesterday morning when I got home from work a couple of parking enforcement drones were going around the (gated/enclosed)parking lot of my apt complex writing tickets for county stickers,etc. Ding-dong,big brother calling. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 09:19:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25229; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21517; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04526 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Fri Jun 5 07:59 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA21965 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:18:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD9062.F4775D20@XXXXXX>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:18:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: vfr-digest V1 #1128 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:18:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw the following post on the VFR list and I was wondering if anyone has ever seen a spec on ANY M/C which can better a 2.9 sec 0-60 time. The only one I've ever heard of is the Boss Hoss but, it has a 5,700 CC engine in it and I still have trouble believing it because of the traction thing. John Carver '98 VFR ---------- From: owner-vfr-digest@XXXXXX[SMTP:owner-vfr-digest@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 1:26 PM To: vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: vfr-digest V1 #1128 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 9:45:10 EDT From: Bryan Ischo Subject: 0-60 in 1.3 secs??? X-Message-Number: 021 This is not really VFR related, but I have a quick question ... someone posted on the list about an article from Fortune magazine at http://www.pathfinder.com/fortune/pfortune/0608big.html which lists the Yamaha R1 0-60 time at 1.3 secs. Is this really true? If so, it would be one of the more amazing things I have ever heard. BTW, the VFR800 was chosen as the author's favorite "sportbike" out of the list of elite bikes used for the article ... and was listed at 2.9 secs 0-60. Thanks, Bryan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 09:51:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25576; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22189; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05351 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id GAA01727; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id GAA04341; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA27899; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:50:30 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA27896; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:50:29 -0700 Received: by hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD904E.64E10800@XXXXXX>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:51:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: VOC Poker Run Sunday, 6/7/98 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:45:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 58 TEXT, 73 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Hi guys, This Poker run on Sunday sounds like fun. Anybody plan on going? - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: VIRAGODAVE@XXXXXX [SMTP:VIRAGODAVE@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 5:47 PM To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VOC Poker Run Sunday, 6/7/98 Hi Ursulina The ride is 62 miles to Colonial Beach. We will start the Luncheon Buffet at 2:00 p.m. and it should be over at 4:30 p.m. Everyone should be home by 5:30 p.m. or sooner. We will be stopping at Fredericksburg MotorSports for refreshments and a break while enroute to Colonial Beach. Refreshments will be furnished by Fredericksburg Motor Sports and We will be there for about an hour. If you have any questions about the ride, or if you wan't info on our club or chapter, please email me or call me @ ( 703 ) 691-1423. We have an open club policy, all motorcycles are welcome. Looking foreward to meeting you on Sunday. 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M````2@````````#`/@_`0`` M`!$```!6:71E`/H_`0```!$```!6:71E; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA19553 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:40:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA18140 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980605154053.TRFC20960@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:40:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Coleman Posuer Sports X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980605154053.TRFC20960@[166.41.242.141]> Why is Coleman the only game in close to town? Since their big expansion out in Falls Church, they've hired some new parts people as well. First experience was about 3 weeks ago. I was ready to purchase some replacement bolts for plastic on the ST from a CBR. Simple cross reference, but the new kid kept me there for over .5hour using their new system. Just got off the phone (actually just hung up in frustration), conversation: me: "I'm looking for a fuel filter for a '91, ST1100" Parts: "Who makes that?" ! me: sort of surprised and frustrated, "Honda!" Parts: "Is that an ATV?" me: "Let me speak to your parts manager" Parts: "Why? I ask these same questions of every...", click. I've been having increasingly bad experiences over there, but tend to go back since they have all the goodies. I walked in to inquire price for a tire not to long ago, and was told that they couldn't even talk to me since I wasn't buying OEM!!! I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel out to Manassass...goddamnit! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 11:56:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26793; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23628; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08813 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA23937 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:56:16 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:56:16 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:56:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 15 TEXT >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, >are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel >out to Manassass...goddamnit! Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at Rider's Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him for years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that you are being too tolerant towards Coleman's. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 11:57:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26811; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23641; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08869 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhyrp-0003Gi-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:21 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:55:49 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B23@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:56:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain They also have really snooting condescending attitudes when dealing with women. - Jeannette > I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman > Powersports, > are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 11:58:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26829; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23658; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08912 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhyt5-0003RK-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:58:40 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:08 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B24@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Oops, that should've been snooty. They constantly act like I don't know what I'm talking about with a cute little, "Oh, isn't she cute, talking about motorcycles..." smile plastered on their faces. > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette > Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 11:57 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; dc-cycles > Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports > > They also have really snooting condescending attitudes when dealing > with women. > > - Jeannette > > > I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman > Powersports, > are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll > travel > out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:03:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26881; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23992; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09164 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yhyxe-00044Y-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:03:22 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:01:52 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B28@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Early Update on DC Cycles Christmas Party... Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:02:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Tom & I closed on our house yesterday, so now we definitely have a place to host the Christmas shindig!! hee hee I can't BELIEVE I'm a homeowner!! BTW, has anyone ever had a bike stolen from Arlington? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:08:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27034; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24215; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09416 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29754; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: "Jordan, Michael" cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've stopped by Rider's Accessory Warehouse a couple of times, but never found the store open. No hours posted either. This doesn't bother me much, since I live close to there, but I am curious as to when is a likely time to find the place open.. Pete. On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Jordan, Michael wrote: > >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, > >are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > >out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at Rider's > Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). > > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him for > years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that you are > being too tolerant towards Coleman's. > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:19:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27194; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24476; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09811 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.107]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 114; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3577D3BA.448749A0@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:17:14 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Going There For warranty work.....mine has been there 3 times for a time length of 1.5 months...i was with a friend when he went to buy boots and the guy says "there over there" so their we are ready to climb up the shelf to look at some cause no one wants to help get em down..!!.hey jerk, he is ready to shell out $200+ and you dont want to help.!!!..well excuse us for wanting to buy something...!!!! guess it was not enough.... Jordan, Michael wrote: > >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, > >are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > >out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at Rider's > Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). > > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him for > years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that you are > being too tolerant towards Coleman's. > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:22:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27229; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24561; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10071 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA01121; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:21:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-07.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.39) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001087; Fri Jun 5 11:21:18 1998 Message-ID: <3577FF78.2759@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 07:23:52 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Early Update on DC Cycles Christmas Party... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B28@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > BTW, has anyone ever had a bike stolen from Arlington? > > - Jeannette Jeanette, Yes, bikes are stolen in Arlington, Secondly, I have had a tank bag, and a tailpack stolen off of bikes in Arlington. Living in Barcroft back in '87. Even had A spark Plug wire cut once. Guess somebody did not like bikes. Hopefully you have a garage....Good Luck.... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:38:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27812; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25118; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10783 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.110]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 301; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3577D833.D363A449@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:36:19 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "cbr600twt@XXXXXX tom" , curtis clements , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "Mersch, Tom" , steve beck , thomas Gimer , "zbig@XXXXXX" , "\"John C. Kozyn\"" , dc-cycles Subject: saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as per Zbig's request here it is: O.K. we have a decision...its going to be saturday 8:30 at Leesburg Amoco Will wait till 8:45 for the come latelys.......meeting Tom G & Tom M. At the gas er up in point of rocks on rt 28 near the train tracks at 9:10..... As Z-Big put it "pace for the west side group..DOUBLE YELLOW FAST"...but safely aggressive..... Your twisty friend craig...TL does that mean Tour Leader?? see ya soon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 12:50:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28042; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25301; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11142 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 114 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:49:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3578219A.D00CB955@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:49:30 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not very likely this weekend, Art Crow is riding in the Capitol 1000, along with our very own Leon and Louis! I've found it's best to call Art first, before heading over. :-) Good Luck Guys! Kick some butt!!! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 Peter Hartzler wrote: > > I've stopped by Rider's Accessory Warehouse a couple of times, but never > found the store open. No hours posted either. This doesn't bother me > much, since I live close to there, but I am curious as to when is a likely > time to find the place open.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:14:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28596; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25604; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12241 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08643 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:15:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02086 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806051714.NAA02086@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Not very likely this weekend, Art Crow is riding > in the Capitol 1000, along with our very own Leon > and Louis! I've found it's best to call Art first, > before heading over. :-) Actually, Coleman Powersport (in Woodbridge, not Falls Church) saved my hide. Some idiot (probably some kid) wanted to sit on my bike, so they yanked the cover off, which you can't do, they wound up bending the right mirror so far that it crashed into the brake lever. I didn't think it would pass the technical inspection for the Capitol 1000. I called all the Kawasaki shops I could think of. They all said "We'll have to order it" except for Coleman's in Woodbridge. I was there at 8:45, 15 minutes before they opened this morning. Got the mirror installed, I'm all packed up, and at 3:00 (maybe even sooner) I'm outta here and heading to Hagerstown. If any of you see Leon or I during the day Saturday, pls don't be insulted if we don't pull over to chat... we're on a mission! :-) > Good Luck Guys! Kick some butt!!! Thanks. While I'd like to place in the top 10, since this is my first rally, I'll be happy if I finish in the top half. (and if not that, at least to finish with me and the bike in once piece!) Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:17:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28620; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25625; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12296 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA04530 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:27:23 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:18:58 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501DA00@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: saturday ride Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:18:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like a plan! Does anyone in the Arlington, DC, Alexabdria, etc. area want to meet up for the ride out to Leeasburg? If not, can some one post directions to the Amoco from Arlington. Thanks Rich Westbrook > ---------- > From: jencraig > Sent: Friday, June 5, 1998 11:36 AM > To: cbr600twt@XXXXXX tom; curtis clements; Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., > IMCEN; Mersch, Tom; steve beck; thomas Gimer; zbig@XXXXXX; "John C. > Kozyn"; dc-cycles > Subject: saturday ride > > as per Zbig's request here it is: > > O.K. we have a decision...its going to be saturday 8:30 at Leesburg > Amoco > Will wait till 8:45 for the come latelys.......meeting Tom G & Tom M. At > the gas er up in > point of rocks on rt 28 near the train tracks at 9:10..... > As Z-Big put it "pace for the west side group..DOUBLE YELLOW FAST"...but > safely aggressive..... > Your twisty friend craig...TL does that mean Tour Leader?? > see ya soon > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:22:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28665; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25689; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12372 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA23717; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma023649; Fri, 5 Jun 98 13:21:05 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Early Update on DC Cycles Christmas Party... Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:22:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hope I'm not jinxing myself by saying this... I park outdoors (in the driveway next to my house) & haven't had a problem. Never had a problem in DC either... but that was in a locked garage! John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken [mailto:shephar1@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 10:24 AM To: O'Brien, Jeannette Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Early Update on DC Cycles Christmas Party... O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > BTW, has anyone ever had a bike stolen from Arlington? > > - Jeannette Jeanette, Yes, bikes are stolen in Arlington, Secondly, I have had a tank bag, and a tailpack stolen off of bikes in Arlington. Living in Barcroft back in '87. Even had A spark Plug wire cut once. Guess somebody did not like bikes. Hopefully you have a garage....Good Luck.... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:35:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28860; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25926; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12743 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA09788; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:34:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-07.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.39) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009750; Fri Jun 5 12:34:42 1998 Message-ID: <357810A6.4510@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:37:10 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Whats the Capitol 1000? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the Capitol 1000? and where in Hagerstown , At the Speedway? -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:36:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28870; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25946; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12769 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:36:11 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YHWa08565; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:35:31 EDT To: jencraig@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 6/5/98 12:24:12 PM, jencraig@XXXXXX wrote: I fyou really want to accomplish something, why not compile everybody's complaints into one long letter to the management, citing the number of people on the DC Cycles list and threatening boycott if they don't shape up...... heh heh Marcy <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:40:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28965; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26121; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12994 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.24 (pix000184.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.196]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA05228; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:40:18 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:41:53 -0300 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: jencraig , "Jordan, Michael" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Has anyone on the list had any experience with Manasass Honda? I'm going to get some basic maintenance done on the bike (mechanically challenged and I'll give my worst excuse ever - no time to do it myself) and I was going to go to this dealer. Are they honest/good to work with? Thanks much. My better half is going away for 3 weeks soon, so I'll be married to the bike for that time and want to make sure everything's running smooth! Thanks, Matt > Try Going There For warranty work.....mine has been there 3 times for > a time length of 1.5 months...i was with a friend when he went to > buy boots and the guy says "there over there" so their we are ready > to climb up the shelf to look at some cause no one wants to help get > em down..!!.hey jerk, he is ready to shell out $200+ and you dont want > to help.!!!..well excuse us for wanting to buy something...!!!! > guess it was not enough.... > > Jordan, Michael wrote: > > > >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman > > >Powersports, are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > > > >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll > > >travel out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > > > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at > > Rider's Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). > > > > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him > > for years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that > > you are being too tolerant towards Coleman's. > > > > Michael J. > > > > > ------------ Matt Elliott Regional Sales Manager DIGEX 301-847-6242 (voice) 301-847-5055 (fax) An Intermedia Communications Company From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:50:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29127; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26513; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13192 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA15608 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:49:54 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:49:54 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Whats the Capitol 1000? Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:50:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 8 TEXT >What is the Capitol 1000? and where in Hagerstown , At the Speedway? It's an endurance run - 1,000 miles (or more) in 24 hours (or less) with points bonuses for getting odd (and uaually out of the way) information. See: http://www.ironbutt.com and http://www.cap1000.org for more info Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 13:54:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29190; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26635; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13335 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 272; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:54:50 -0400 Message-ID: <357830C6.DEE8AF92@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:54:14 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Whats the Capitol 1000? References: <357810A6.4510@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ken asked: > > What is the Capitol 1000? and where in Hagerstown , At the Speedway? Here's the URL: http://www.cap1000.org/index.htm And to shamelessly quote the first paragraph of said URL: "The Capitol 1000 is the latest of the motorcycle endurance competitions of its kind on the East Coast. The rally will begin in Hagerstown, MD on Saturday, June 6, 1998 and take a circuitous loop around the area surrounding our nation’s capitol before arriving back in Hagerstown, MD 1000 + miles later on Sunday, June 7, 1998. The Capitol 1000 Motorcycle Rally is not about speed, but rather, analyzing bonus locations to collect maximum bonus points while riding scads of miles in a safe and prudent manner." I plan on going up there tonight and maybe meeting some of the bigger dogs in the nation's Long Distance riding community. These guys (and gals, check out the rider's list!) are gonna make my recent 1000 mile in a day ride look like mere child's play. (which, in a way, it was! :-) Ride safe! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:01:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29289; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26793; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13519 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 361; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:01:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3578326B.40AA49F6@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:01:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Elliott - DIGEX , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, if you are ticked at CPS, there kind of the best of what's left in the area. Not a ringing endorsement, I know. They'll happily try to sell you crap and services you don't need, and you've got to pry useful info out of the young/inexperienced/ clueless/disinterested parts guys sometimes, but I've had a valve adjustment there that went smoothly, and they've mounted a tire or two for me as well. Although I've now been waiting on a Kawasaki service manual for my Concours going on 5 weeks now. :( (Although I think everyone is having that problem with Kawi manuals right now) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > > Has anyone on the list had any experience with Manasass Honda? > > Are they honest/good to work with? > > T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:03:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29314; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26834; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13598 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 317; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:48 -0400 Message-ID: <357832F3.A851ED63@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:03:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: <19980605154053.TRFC20960@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > me: "I'm looking for a fuel filter for a '91, ST1100" > Parts: "Who makes that?" ! > me: sort of surprised and frustrated, "Honda!" > Parts: "Is that an ATV?" Good gawd! Don't they give these pimple-headed kids *ANY* kind of introduction to motorcycles before they turn them loose? :-) Still, gotta admit, it's kind of funny! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:07:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29391; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26950; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13765 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA09628 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:06:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA25406 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980605180653.UNGC20960@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:06:53 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bd90ac$b635dd80$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I bought my bike there and had it repaired after my little $3400 mishap 5 days later. They have always done fine work and I have no complaints except for the cost (which is not out of line with other shops). LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX [mailto:elliottm@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 12:42 PM To: jencraig; Jordan, Michael Cc: 'dc-cycles' Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Has anyone on the list had any experience with Manasass Honda? I'm going to get some basic maintenance done on the bike (mechanically challenged and I'll give my worst excuse ever - no time to do it myself) and I was going to go to this dealer. Are they honest/good to work with? Thanks much. My better half is going away for 3 weeks soon, so I'll be married to the bike for that time and want to make sure everything's running smooth! Thanks, Matt > Try Going There For warranty work.....mine has been there 3 times for > a time length of 1.5 months...i was with a friend when he went to > buy boots and the guy says "there over there" so their we are ready > to climb up the shelf to look at some cause no one wants to help get > em down..!!.hey jerk, he is ready to shell out $200+ and you dont want > to help.!!!..well excuse us for wanting to buy something...!!!! > guess it was not enough.... > > Jordan, Michael wrote: > > > >I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman > > >Powersports, are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > > > >I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll > > >travel out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > > > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at > > Rider's Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). > > > > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him > > for years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that > > you are being too tolerant towards Coleman's. > > > > Michael J. > > > > > ------------ Matt Elliott Regional Sales Manager DIGEX 301-847-6242 (voice) 301-847-5055 (fax) An Intermedia Communications Company From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:08:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29409; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26967; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13801 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18834 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:08:49 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:08:49 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:09:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 5 TEXT >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" Neat name - I like that - so appropriate Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:11:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29481; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27206; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13880 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA12579; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:10:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA03619; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980605181046.NYZG7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:10:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980605181046.NYZG7401@[166.41.242.141]> Glenn Dysart wrote: >Todd, from my Honda parts mail order expeierce these guys are the cheapest. >Trust me, I called every mail order dealer when I was putting my bike back >together last summer. An example is the rubber mount for the front turn >signals. K&R was $11, and Coleman was $23. Quite a savings. My frustration didn't necessarily stem from price(s). It's the attitude of the shop. Coleman Powersports, to their credit, is well stocked with lots of bikes and goodies, albiet over-priced. But sometimes I'll go ahead and pay the price minus my AMA discount just because I want it (whatever) then and I don't want to dick w/shopping. However, the attitude and 'policies' of the shop have really gotton out of hand. They're selling used cars for ****-sake! Of the people I've dealt with at Coleman (and I bought my CB750 from them), I can say that more than 65% of them are know-nothing, could give a crap jerks. There are two service guys, two parts guys and sometimes one of the accessory guys there that I respect, for their attentive audience to my problem/need and for their obvious knowledge and skill. But things seem to have been going down hill for the past few years. I suspect Old Man Coleman has seen big dollars lately and can think of nothing more than expanding. Well, not with anymore of my money they won't. And not with any money from friends I can persuade NOT to SHOP COLEMAN.... Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:29:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29737; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28081; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14490 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA29862; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma029833; Fri, 5 Jun 98 14:28:44 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: bike shops Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:30:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since everyone is venting spleen at Coleman (not that I'm disagreeing!) I thought I'd say something positive about a good shop. A number of friends have recommended Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's Crossroads and I finally gave 'em a try for some minor stuff on my CX500... all in all a positive experience, these guys were professional & knowledgeable & generally nice folks too. I've just been there this one time, but I know a bunch of folks who swear by them. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:40:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29879; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28748; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14739 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yi1PY-00055I-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:40:20 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B37@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: bike shops Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:39:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Dennis, who works there, is a very old friend of mine.. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:30 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: bike shops > > Since everyone is venting spleen at Coleman (not that I'm > disagreeing!) I > thought I'd say something positive about a good shop. > > A number of friends have recommended Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's > Crossroads and I finally gave 'em a try for some minor stuff on my > CX500... > all in all a positive experience, these guys were professional & > knowledgeable & generally nice folks too. I've just been there this > one > time, but I know a bunch of folks who swear by them. > > John Whiteside > Marketing Specialist > EIS International > Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > http://www.eisi.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 14:48:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00038; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28939; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15104 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24738; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:49:09 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D06A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: bike shops Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:49:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I've always heard great things about them as well. However, I've only used them once and that was to mount a set of tires, and amazingly, they managed to get the front tire about as out of balance as is physically possible!! Based on recommendations though, I would probably try them again. Any more though, there is really nothing that I'll take the bike to a shop for...mounting tires on the race bike will be done by Jack's traveling Sport Cycle shop out at the race track. $10/tire ain't bad. I'll also plug Fast Lane Cycle. While Rick Beggs isn't the most talkative type, his shop has a great reputation, especially with racers. For some parts I needed, he offered the exact same price as the mail order companies. And given that option, I'll support the local shop every time. > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:36 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: bike shops > > > A number of friends have recommended Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's > Crossroads > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:04:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00252; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29128; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15628 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA26617; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA20569; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980605190402.OFWH7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:04:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: bike shops X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980605190402.OFWH7401@[166.41.242.141]> >I've always heard great things about them as well. However, I've only used >them once and that was to mount a set of tires, and amazingly, they managed >to get the front tire about as out of balance as is physically possible!! Here, here for both CrossRoads Cycles and Fast Lane. I've dealt with xroads only in a conversational way. Just stopped by one day to rap with the mechanics. Very cool people and didn't mind taking the time to answer some questions I had. However, its just a mechanic shop. No other goodies. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:12:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00370; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29236; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15829 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 294; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <357842A9.CC9C9BD@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:10:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan, Michael wrote: > > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > > Neat name - I like that - so appropriate > Thanks! I figured if nothing else, the name gives me an excuse to *NOT* wash my bike! :-) Hit a really full bug on the way down to Deal's Gap, high and center on the windshield. Left lots of wet crap on the shield. Imagine my horror as I saw the slime slowly creeping *UP* the windshield toward my face, blown by the highway-speed windblast: "Uck. What a mess. Maybe it'll stop. Nope, it's creeping closer to the edge! I can't slow down, I'm on a SaddleSore pace! Don't want Leon and Louis to thing something's wrong. Aaauuugh, it's gonna splatter all over me!" :-) I actually had to take a gloved finger and reach out to the windshield and clean it off before it blew all over my helmet and jacket. Ick. Before I knew it, my bike had named itself. :-) So now I intend to rid the world (or at least Northern Virginia) of as many of those creepy, crawly, little 6-legged bastards with the front of my bike as I possibly can! It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it. :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:20:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00530; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29368; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16179 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA29457 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:20:25 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:20:25 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:21:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >Hit a really full bug on the way down to Deal's Gap I got one on my faceshield behind Dulles airport - absolutely no idea what it was, but it totally obscured my faceshield (this at 60 MPH +/-). Stop, get a handful of grass and clean it up as best as possible. Oh yeah - did I mention that I have a phobia about bugs?? Michael (going buggy) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:29:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00630; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29434; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16362 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 373; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:28:56 -0400 Message-ID: <357846E5.C9FE9450@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:28:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: bike shops References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D06A@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin said: > he offered the exact same price as the mail order companies. > And given that option, I'll support the local shop every time. Well, hell yeah, I would too. All a local shop has to do is get *close* to a mail order price, and I'd be happy to help keep them in business. That's not often the case, however, and I hate to haggle. Until then, I guess I'll be keeping UPS in business instead. :-( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:45:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00772; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29645; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16766 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:38 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA01386 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199806051944.AA01386@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:18 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:18 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:42:31 -0400 Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I had a pregnant rice bug explode on my visor once..then all these little white maggot-like creatures.. THOUSANDS of them... started crawling all over and UNDER my visor...YEEEECHHH.. I threw the helmet away than risk having one of those honkers creep outta the padding and eat into my brain... -aki > >Hit a really full bug on the way down to Deal's Gap > > I got one on my faceshield behind Dulles airport - absolutely no idea > what it was, but it totally obscured my faceshield (this at 60 MPH +/-). > Stop, get a handful of grass and clean it up as best as possible. > > Oh yeah - did I mention that I have a phobia about bugs?? > > Michael (going buggy) J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:51:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00884; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29833; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16984 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABF42079012E; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:50:12 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605154626.01047670@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:46:26 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: bike shops In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D715B37@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is Crossroads Cycle okay? My stepson called them and their phone was disconnected. Chris Norloff ********************************************************* At 02:39 PM 6/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >Dennis, who works there, is a very old friend of mine.. > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:30 PM >> To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: bike shops >> >> Since everyone is venting spleen at Coleman (not that I'm >> disagreeing!) I >> thought I'd say something positive about a good shop. >> >> A number of friends have recommended Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's >> Crossroads and I finally gave 'em a try for some minor stuff on my >> CX500... >> all in all a positive experience, these guys were professional & >> knowledgeable & generally nice folks too. I've just been there this >> one >> time, but I know a bunch of folks who swear by them. >> >> John Whiteside >> Marketing Specialist >> EIS International >> Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 >> jwhiteside@XXXXXX >> http://www.eisi.com >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 15:53:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00910; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29898; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17077 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC6D93C0296; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:52:13 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605155552.0103ec60@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:55:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports In-Reply-To: <199806051944.AA01386@egate2.citicorp.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Are you SURE you didn't miss any? :-) Chris Norloff ******************************************************************** At 03:42 PM 6/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >I had a pregnant rice bug explode on my visor once..then >all these little white maggot-like creatures.. THOUSANDS of >them... started crawling all over and UNDER my visor...YEEEECHHH.. > >I threw the helmet away than risk having one of those honkers >creep outta the padding and eat into my brain... > >-aki > >> >Hit a really full bug on the way down to Deal's Gap >> >> I got one on my faceshield behind Dulles airport - absolutely no idea >> what it was, but it totally obscured my faceshield (this at 60 MPH >+/-). >> Stop, get a handful of grass and clean it up as best as possible. >> >> Oh yeah - did I mention that I have a phobia about bugs?? >> >> Michael (going buggy) J. >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:06:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01048; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00444; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17440 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA05019; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:05:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA32063; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:05:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980605200533.VGDY20960@XXXXXX>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:05:33 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "CBR List" , "Dc-Cycles" , "HSTA" Subject: New Roadcrafter Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:05:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bd90bd$498f7900$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 So, how long does it take before a new Roadcrafter starts too soften up? Got it yesterday and I originally put it together with the optional back protector and hip pads (like I need additional padding there) and without the ellipse. I've since swapped that around - no back protector/hip pads but with ellipse. So, now I can move, but it still feels restrictive and off balance. Would washing it make it any softer? Or just ruin the water proofness? The instructions say it takes around 1k miles for it to loosen up. So, I need to do a saddlesore? And the zippers at the wrist refuse to stay closed. Am I just being picky? Help (in a meek voice) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:08:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01065; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00479; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17468 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA31159; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Chris Norloff cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike shops In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980605154626.01047670@norloff.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm.. On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > Is Crossroads Cycle okay? My stepson called them and their phone was > disconnected. Maybe their phone lines are on that centrex switch that died. Lots of phones were out in that neck of the woods. It should be OK now if that was the trouble. Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:09:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01089; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00531; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17516 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 316; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:09:04 -0400 Message-ID: <35785040.5E3BBE97@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:08:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports References: <199806051944.AA01386@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > I had a pregnant rice bug explode on my visor once..then > all these little white maggot-like creatures.. THOUSANDS of > them... started crawling all over and UNDER my visor...YEEEECHHH.. > > I threw the helmet away than risk having one of those honkers > creep outta the padding and eat into my brain... > > -aki > Aki, You win the 'grossest bug story of the day' award. Yeccchh is right. I'm gonna have bad dreams now.... Gee thanks! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:11:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01110; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00629; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17622 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id QAA10964; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma010950; Fri, 5 Jun 98 16:10:57 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike shops Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:12:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My bike was there when that happened! According to Dennis they had a new alarm system put in last week, and the installers screwed up their phones. They are, however, there, and their phone is working again. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 3:46 PM To: O'Brien, Jeannette; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike shops Is Crossroads Cycle okay? My stepson called them and their phone was disconnected. Chris Norloff ********************************************************* At 02:39 PM 6/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >Dennis, who works there, is a very old friend of mine.. > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:30 PM >> To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: bike shops >> >> Since everyone is venting spleen at Coleman (not that I'm >> disagreeing!) I >> thought I'd say something positive about a good shop. >> >> A number of friends have recommended Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's >> Crossroads and I finally gave 'em a try for some minor stuff on my >> CX500... >> all in all a positive experience, these guys were professional & >> knowledgeable & generally nice folks too. I've just been there this >> one >> time, but I know a bunch of folks who swear by them. >> >> John Whiteside >> Marketing Specialist >> EIS International >> Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 >> jwhiteside@XXXXXX >> http://www.eisi.com >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:11:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01115; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00645; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17628 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:11:18 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA02689 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:10:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199806052010.AA02689@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:10:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:10:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:10:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:18 -0400 Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980605155552.0103ec60@norloff.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME huh..aw..GAK.....wha? WILL SOMEONE PLUUZZEEE ANSWER THE PHONE!!!.. doe de doe doe doe.. > Are you SURE you didn't miss any? > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > ******************************************************************** > At 03:42 PM 6/5/98 -0400, you wrote: > >I had a pregnant rice bug explode on my visor once..then > >all these little white maggot-like creatures.. THOUSANDS of > >them... started crawling all over and UNDER my visor...YEEEECHHH.. > > > >I threw the helmet away than risk having one of those honkers > >creep outta the padding and eat into my brain... > > > >-aki > > > >> >Hit a really full bug on the way down to Deal's Gap > >> > >> I got one on my faceshield behind Dulles airport - absolutely no idea > >> what it was, but it totally obscured my faceshield (this at 60 MPH > >+/-). > >> Stop, get a handful of grass and clean it up as best as possible. > >> > >> Oh yeah - did I mention that I have a phobia about bugs?? > >> > >> Michael (going buggy) J. > >> > > > > > > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:44:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01668; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01189; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18533 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA10359 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:43:57 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:43:57 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:44:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >I had a pregnant rice bug explode on my visor once..then Thanks, guy - I needed that :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:45:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01684; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01217; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18560 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA04713; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806052040.QAA04713@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980605154053.TRFC20960@[166.41.242.141]> from "Todd Peer" at Jun 5, 98 11:36:00 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Why is Coleman the only game in close to town? Since their big expansion > out in Falls Church, they've hired some new parts people as well. > > First experience was about 3 weeks ago. I was ready to purchase some > replacement bolts for plastic on the ST from a CBR. Simple cross reference, > but the new kid kept me there for over .5hour using their new system. > > Just got off the phone (actually just hung up in frustration), conversation: > > me: "I'm looking for a fuel filter for a '91, ST1100" > Parts: "Who makes that?" ! > me: sort of surprised and frustrated, "Honda!" > Parts: "Is that an ATV?" > me: "Let me speak to your parts manager" > Parts: "Why? I ask these same questions of every...", click. > > I've been having increasingly bad experiences over there, but tend > to go back since they have all the goodies. I walked in to inquire > price for a tire not to long ago, and was told that they couldn't even > talk to me since I wasn't buying OEM!!! > > I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, > are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > out to Manassass...goddamnit! > call Leesburg, 777-1652, Loudoun Motorstports - and tell them that you are from DC-cycles. > Todd > _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 16:52:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01802; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01318; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18732 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA04033; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:51:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-06.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.102) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003927; Fri Jun 5 15:50:55 1998 Message-ID: <35783E81.5D53@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 11:52:49 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Whats the Capitol 1000? References: <98Jun5.134436edt.26886@virginia.dsava.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Hamlett wrote: > > 1000 miles in 24 hours, it's an Iron Butt ride. See http://www.cap1000.org Thanx guys... Too Cool, Had not heard of it before. Someday, Someday... ;) -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 21:58:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04386; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03974; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23846 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02923; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3578CCD2.F10@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:00:02 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: RWestbrook@XXXXXX Subject: Leesburg Amoco Directions ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: "Westbrook, Richard" > To: "'DC-Cycles'" > Subject: RE: saturday ride > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:18:57 -0400 > Sounds like a plan! > > Does anyone in the Arlington, DC, Alexabdria, etc. area want to meet up for > the ride out to Leeasburg? Hey Rich, I'll ride you with ya' if someone posts the directions we need !! I wanna leave A'ton at around 7:30 or so (I'm at Rte 50 and Fillmore) > If not, can some one post directions to the Amoco from Arlington. C'mon guys/gals, where is that mofo Amoco exactly? I'm on D-Mode so please e-mail direct. TIA JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 22:15:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04550; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04085; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24011 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:15:06 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWXBa26052 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:14:33 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <80f2317d.3578a60b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:14:33 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Time for my .02 about Coleman. I have a love/hate relationship with them. I bought my TL from the Woodbridge store. I got a nice deal on it since the salesman was a high school bud of mine. I wrecked the TL and it was being fixed for 2 months! Thats pretty damn slow. I have also had some problems with service. When I bought the TL part of the deal was that I would get free tire mounting for the first year. It is standard (yes, STANDARD) on ALL TLs sold. When I went to get the tire mounted I told the guy that it should be free. But since I didnt have my little membership card...which Im not sure I actually ever got, I had to pay 50+ dollars! He even pulled the bike up on the system and saw that it was bought from them during this time period. They are just too money hungry. The guy I bought the TL from now works at Manassas Honda (couldnt take Coleman anymore). His name is Butch, he is a really nice guy (although young and slightly pimp faced) he knows his bikes. Tell him that Jack sent ya. I guarantee he'll give ya a good deal. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 22:37:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04828; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04172; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24269 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:56:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'zbig@XXXXXX'" Cc: jencraig@XXXXXX, cbr600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: saturday ride Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:59:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) That would be Steve (Vmax) and Curtis (RR). They are on the list, I'm sure they will see our posts. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Glen, can you get in touch with the resto fo the guys - V-max, 900RR, > & co ? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 22:37:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04834; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04177; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24272 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:30:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:33:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Todd, from my Honda parts mail order expeierce these guys are the cheapest. Trust me, I called every mail order dealer when I was putting my bike back together last summer. An example is the rubber mount for the front turn signals. K&R was $11, and Coleman was $23. Quite a savings. Good luck Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna K&R Honda parts 242-25 Braddock Avenue Bellerose, NY (800) 669-2275 or (800) 955-2925 (FAX) (800) 258-7195 POC: David > Why is Coleman the only game in close to town? Since their big expansion > out in Falls Church, they've hired some new parts people as well. > > First experience was about 3 weeks ago. I was ready to purchase some > replacement bolts for plastic on the ST from a CBR. Simple cross > reference, > but the new kid kept me there for over .5hour using their new system. > > Just got off the phone (actually just hung up in frustration), > conversation: > > me: "I'm looking for a fuel filter for a '91, ST1100" > Parts: "Who makes that?" ! > me: sort of surprised and frustrated, "Honda!" > Parts: "Is that an ATV?" > me: "Let me speak to your parts manager" > Parts: "Why? I ask these same questions of every...", click. > > I've been having increasingly bad experiences over there, but tend > to go back since they have all the goodies. I walked in to inquire > price for a tire not to long ago, and was told that they couldn't even > talk to me since I wasn't buying OEM!!! > > I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, > are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > > I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > out to Manassass...goddamnit! > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 22:37:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04833; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04179; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24275 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:33:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:36:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Art, doesn't do OEM parts anymore. I asked him about some about 6 months ago and he said he can't get them anymore. I don't know what his prices were on OEM but his other prices aren't that great. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Todd - while you're in Falls Church - check out Art Crow at Rider's > Accessory Warehouse on Jefferson Street (near I-66). > > Art tends to be an acquired taste, but I've been dealing with him for > years and am quite happy overall. He would probably think that you are > being too tolerant towards Coleman's. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 22:48:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04920; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04340; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24411 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.115]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 375; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:48:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35786715.23DFC643@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:45:57 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles , RWestbrook@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leesburg Amoco Directions ? References: <3578CCD2.F10@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit taking rt.7 west to leesburg follow signage for rt 7 bussiness forward into town of leesburg see roy rogers on the right at hte first traffic light continue forward next traffic light see wendys on the right continue forward see mcdonalds on the left continue forward 1/4 mi past mcdonalds road forks take either fork AMOCO is 100 yards in between the two roads can see the AMOCO from either road .......... if using the toll road go all the way till the toll road becomes the greenway go all the way to the end of the greenway exit to the right sign says rt 15 north to frederick md first traffic light turn left follow road over the bridge should see roy rogers across the street to the left follow directions for rt7 business see you in the morning....... Craig John C. Kozyn wrote: > > From: "Westbrook, Richard" > > To: "'DC-Cycles'" > > Subject: RE: saturday ride > > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:18:57 -0400 > > > Sounds like a plan! > > > > Does anyone in the Arlington, DC, Alexabdria, etc. area want to meet up for > > the ride out to Leeasburg? > > Hey Rich, I'll ride you with ya' if someone posts the directions we need > !! I wanna leave A'ton at around 7:30 or so (I'm at Rte 50 and Fillmore) > > > If not, can some one post directions to the Amoco from Arlington. > > C'mon guys/gals, where is that mofo Amoco exactly? I'm on D-Mode so > please e-mail direct. > > TIA > > JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 5 23:17:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05243; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04458; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24742 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA19499; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:16:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-09.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.73) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019440; Fri Jun 5 22:16:07 1998 Message-ID: <357898E2.3B04@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 18:18:26 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New location of Hagerstown Honda/Kawasaki Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read that both Hagerstown dealers had consolidated their store to an new location. I think this is an open house. Any body knmow for sure where there new dealer is located? -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 11:58:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11350; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08147; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02641 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22090; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.30] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA00021 for ; Sat, 06 Jun 1998 11:57:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bd9163$bbb2f7e0$1e73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Chuck & Zbig crash. Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:56:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Well, our morning did not start off well. After meeting at Leesburg Amoco. Craig, Tom T., Zbig, John Kozyn, Rich & myself went up Rt 15 to Point of Rocks where we met Tom G., Chuck & another (sorry, I'm bad w/ names). Leaving Point of Rocks on Rt 28 we took a left on Pleasant View Road. After about 2 miles we crossed a small bridge in a twisty section. Apparantly Chuck (Virago) got wide & clipped the guard rail on the right side (left hand twisty). Chuck appears to have a broken right leg & a severe laceration to his right cheek. Zbig was following & seems to have hit Chuck's bike, then flipped & broke his right shoulder or collar bone. Virago is totalled (broken frame where brake pedal attaches, broken upper triple clamp) Zbig's XX seems to have mostly cosmetic damage (both lowers, upper, both mirrors, both exhaust canisters, Givi bag mounting, bike would roll but would not start). Both riders were taken to Frederick Memorial Hospital. John Kozyn went with them and i hope to hear more about there condition soon. Both riders were concious & alert so I feel confident that broken bones are the worst of it. Everyone please ride safe! Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 12:54:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11582; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08403; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03606 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-73.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.73]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id MAA05539; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980606124500.00ac0c50@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 12:45:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Friend looking for a Shadow... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A friend of mine just got her license, and went out shopping immediately the other night for a bike. After looking around, she seems to have settled on a Shadow 750 as her bike of choice. So, first of all, does anyone have, or know of someone who has, one of these for sale? My personal feeling is that an older bike is better, but I don't even know how long they've been made. Maybe someone can educate me on the finer points and possible failings of this bike. Secondly, are there bikes you might recommend which are similarly styled? Arguments for said bikes are also appreciated. And if you know of _those_ for sale, feel free to throw that in, also. :) Thanks everyone, MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 14:20:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12432; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10518; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06777 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr25-dialup11.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EU5003916WYFC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:19:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 02:19:05 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000c01bd90f1$7bc26f20$0b4937a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Holy crap!!!!!! I hope everyone is gonna be ok. What horrible news. My sympathies to everyone involved. Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Norton To: DC-Cycles Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 4:07 PM Subject: Chuck & Zbig crash. >Well, our morning did not start off well. After meeting at Leesburg Amoco. >Craig, Tom T., Zbig, John Kozyn, Rich & myself went up Rt 15 to Point of >Rocks where we met Tom G., Chuck & another (sorry, I'm bad w/ names). >Leaving Point of Rocks on Rt 28 we took a left on Pleasant View Road. After >about 2 miles we crossed a small bridge in a twisty section. Apparantly >Chuck (Virago) got wide & clipped the guard rail on the right side (left >hand twisty). Chuck appears to have a broken right leg & a severe laceration >to his right cheek. Zbig was following & seems to have hit Chuck's bike, >then flipped & broke his right shoulder or collar bone. Virago is totalled >(broken frame where brake pedal attaches, broken upper triple clamp) Zbig's >XX seems to have mostly cosmetic damage (both lowers, upper, both mirrors, >both exhaust canisters, Givi bag mounting, bike would roll but would not >start). Both riders were taken to Frederick Memorial Hospital. John Kozyn >went with them and i hope to hear more about there condition soon. Both >riders were concious & alert so I feel confident that broken bones are the >worst of it. > >Everyone please ride safe! > >Bruce >Leesburg, VA >'98 VFR800 "Tronix" >'94 RF600 "For Sale" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 15:35:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12995; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10820; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f138.hotmail.com [207.82.251.17]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25721 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 439 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 1998 19:35:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19980606193509.438.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.76.254.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jun 1998 12:35:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.76.254.142] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Going to Laconia? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 15:35:09 EDT If anyone on the list is going to Laconia let me know. I am planning on leaving on the 11 or 12 and returning on the 19th. Camping and riding in the mtns is the plan with maybe going to see the bikers for a day or two. Paul Gerhardt pgerhardt@XXXXXX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 17:06:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14015; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11310; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12069 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA05526; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806062106.RAA05526@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX (Dawn & Jon) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000c01bd90f1$7bc26f20$0b4937a6@0302104396168270> from "Dawn & Jon" at Jun 6, 98 02:19:05 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Warning: left hand typist at the keyboard. When I was leaving FMH, chuck was already in other hospital. looks like it more serious than it looked at beginning- multple broken bones in leg. I am really sorry for him. his bike is a goner - front subframe in pieces; I am home, stiff and in some pain. 1- separated shoulder. 2- minor bruises on right leg. no blood anywhere. my bike - scratched canisters, broken right exhaust pipe; broken off left mirror; badly scratched left fairing and bottom. Givi mount broken givi bag broken. looks like fixer. biggrdt damage to my ego. What happend - on a blind right hander over hill Chuck went a tad wide; he panicked on transition into left hander down into the small bridge, and just drove into rail, bounced fro it and i was faced with guardrail, chuck and moving into left bike. As a reselut i hit bike om thr center of the road, flipped over. end of story. lesson for me - stay further away from someone you do not know how she/he is riding. _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 21:19:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16199; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13068; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14116 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.41.110.39]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 367; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:19:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3579EAFA.6AFA0031@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:20:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. References: <199806062106.RAA05526@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zbig, Sorry about the bad news, but I'm glad that it's not worse news, if you know what I mean. I'm glad you and Chuck are relatively ok. Sorry about the bikes. :( I sincerly wish you guys a speedy recovery! Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > Warning: left hand typist at the keyboard. > What happend - on a blind right hander over hill Chuck went a tad wide; he > panicked on transition into left hander down into the small bridge, > and just drove into rail, bounced fro it and i was faced with > guardrail, chuck and moving into left bike. As a reselut i hit bike om > thr center of the road, flipped over. end of story. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 21:35:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16262; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13141; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14202 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p194.smart.net [206.97.127.194]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21148; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:34:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3579F03B.7EED2CC@smart.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:43:24 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dawn & Jon CC: DC Cycle Club Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. References: <000c01bd90f1$7bc26f20$0b4937a6@0302104396168270> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll tell you what, the feeling in my stomach that comes when I'm riding _back_ to locate riding buddies that are unaccounted for is not one I want to get used to. It seems like this is happening too often of late. Like the Horkster said though, it could have been worse. You gotta look on the bright side. Dawn & Jon wrote: > Holy crap!!!!!! I hope everyone is gonna be ok. What horrible news. My > sympathies to everyone involved. > > Jon Schumer -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 21:55:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16402; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13274; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (known jefferson.patriot.net [206.151.9.249]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14386 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bhuson.patriot.net (th-1-11.patriot.net [206.29.51.13]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07923 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3579F23D.397A@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:51:57 -0400 From: William Huson Reply-To: bhuson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A thank you note and a story... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's me again - Bill Huson - survivor of the Harley/geezmobile crunch one week ago. Thanks for the many emails. Y`all lifted my spirits on a day when I was literly and figuratively snake-belly low and crawling. Body report: The bruises and sprains have sorted themselves out with a few clear winners in the long painful road to recovery contest. This will no doubt be a month littered with doctor visits and such. Bike report: Soon to be transferred to a dealer for the final judgement on fixability or not. Either way I'll be in the saddle again before the summer's out. That will be the only way I'll know if I can shake the mental trauma. One of my other hobbys is more sedate - fiction writing. I leave a link for your entertainment. Pardon the pragraphing and punctuation. Seems the translation to html altered the original. link -->> Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 23:05:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16718; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13706; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14969 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23794; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:05:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jbabinski@XXXXXX Received: from Jbabinski@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IVXNa14705 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:04:06 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b110db8.357a0327@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:04:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 1985 V-65 Sabre, like new, for sale, $1,995 OBO Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Selling my V-65 Sabre, original owner, like new bike, this bike is one of a kind, babied, 34K easy miles by a 36 to now 49 year old. Must sell $1,995 OBO From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 23:15:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16764; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13822; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15038 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-45-169.s169.tnt5.brd.erols.com [207.172.45.169]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19903 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806070314.XAA19903@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: F3 Drag Racing Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:12:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ran my 96 F3 at Summerduck Raceway today. My best run was a 8.3268 at 88.4853 mph. I never got out of third gear!!. (The fact that the track is only 1/8th mile long explains this). I won my first heat race, but in the second round I lost because my reaction time was too quick. I got off the line in approximately .42 two seconds. Unfortunately I did not know that the track rules mandate a .5 second reaction time as a perfect launch. By reacting quicker than .5 seconds I was deemed to have red lighted. Next up: I plan to run the 1/4 mile somewhere (MIR perhaps?). Hopefully my bike will be in the low 12 or high 11 range. Anyone have any experience running the 1/4 mile on an F3? Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 23:28:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16829; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13907; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15221 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03471; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357A337B.8EC@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 23:30:19 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: Chuck & Zbig crash (Extra-Long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: "Bruce Norton" > Well, our morning did not start off well. After meeting at Leesburg Amoco. > Craig, Tom T., Zbig, John Kozyn, Rich & myself went up Rt 15 to Point of > Rocks where we met Tom G., Chuck & another (sorry, I'm bad w/ names). > Leaving Point of Rocks on Rt 28 we took a left on Pleasant View Road. After > about 2 miles we crossed a small bridge in a twisty section. Apparantly > Chuck (Virago) got wide & clipped the guard rail on the right side (left > hand twisty). Chuck appears to have a broken right leg & a severe laceration > to his right cheek. Zbig was following & seems to have hit Chuck's bike, > then flipped & broke his right shoulder or collar bone. Virago is totalled > (broken frame where brake pedal attaches, broken upper triple clamp) Zbig's > XX seems to have mostly cosmetic damage (both lowers, upper, both mirrors, > both exhaust canisters, Givi bag mounting, bike would roll but would not > start). Both riders were taken to Frederick Memorial Hospital. John Kozyn > went with them and i hope to hear more about there condition soon. Both > riders were concious & alert so I feel confident that broken bones are the > worst of it. > Everyone please ride safe! ======================================================================== > From: zbig@XXXXXX > Warning: left hand typist at the keyboard. > When I was leaving FMH, chuck was already in other hospital. looks > like it more serious than it looked at beginning- multple broken bones > in leg. I am really sorry for him. > his bike is a goner - front subframe in pieces; > I am home, stiff and in some pain. > 1- separated shoulder. > 2- minor bruises on right leg. no blood anywhere. > my bike - scratched canisters, broken right exhaust pipe; broken off > left mirror; badly scratched left fairing and bottom. Givi mount > broken givi bag broken. looks like fixer. > biggrdt damage to my ego. > What happend - on a blind right hander over hill Chuck went a tad wide; he > panicked on transition into left hander down into the small bridge, > and just drove into rail, bounced fro it and i was faced with > guardrail, chuck and moving into left bike. As a reselut i hit bike om > thr center of the road, flipped over. end of story. > lesson for me - stay further away from someone you do not know how > she/he is riding. ============================================================================ Gang, Well, I know y'all don't know Chuck, who is a friend of mine only since last month when we made a trip to Haiti together to visit our sister parish way up in the mountains there. The guy's 62 and he walked 3 1/2 hours up a pretty harsh 4500' mountain trail - no bike could have done it. Myself I rode a a mule - I'm no fool ;) Anyway, this was our first ride together and I still feel badly for maybe putting Chuck in a situation placing himself over his head. I don't know... I feel I bear a certain responsibility for not insisting he stay in back, but I also sensed maybe Zbig and Bruce wanted to hang back to ride tail position. I guess I erred in my judgement. Anyway, it was not a pretty sight, returning 2 minutes after not seeing lights behind me anymore. Zbig was sitting upright on the side of the road, CBR down and almost hanging over a ditch, looking a bit wan, but in good spirits given the situation. I ran over to Chuck who was struggling to take his helmet off. I cautioned him, but he said it was OK, and he was moving his neck, so off came the Shoei. Then I notic a nice chunk of his cheek hanging there with blood dripping pretty heavily so I grabbed my Honda- Spray-Polish towel (fairly clean ;) and told him to press it against his cheek. He said his right leg hurt pretty bad and was probably broken (No shit - read on) (Zbig's account should be accepted as record. Bro' I'm glad it wasn't worse for ya' !) I spoke with Chuck's girlfriend a little while ago. He was moved to Suburban Hospital in Bethesda. His leg has 4-5 fractures between the knee and the ankle. That's what hit the guard rail - Virago force behind the impact. He goes into surgery tomorrow at noon, should be at SH for a few and then some rehab. Elbow got stitched up and so did his cheek. Anne said his cheek looks OK now and that he was joking around - but also allowed that he was on morphine ;) - my response (completely inappropriate I know !) "Wow, that's one drug I haven't tried..." Hey what can I say? Laughter is the best medicine right ..? Anyway, Chuck is OK. He'll be fine. Like most of us in such a situation, he probably feels badly for spoiling the ride. I'd feel the same way. As has been said, ride safely people. (Ummm, Craig, Bruce, Rich, & The Three Toms - when are we going to do the reprise? I'm still up for it. Actually I want to go back to the site and fish Chuck's brake pedal out of the creek for a souvenir for him ;) Laytray gang, -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 6 23:30:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16848; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13955; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15253 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-110.s110.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23745; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357A09AF.F7CF97DD@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 23:31:59 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: F3 Drag Racing References: <199806070314.XAA19903@smtp3.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roy, I'm guessing the F3 should do mid 11's. I managed consistent 11.5s on my old GSXR and it weighs a ton more with not a lot more horsepower...now my 97....I'd be interested in taking it out for a try to...last time at MIR some guys said newer GSXRs were pulling low 10s!! More inspection of the racebike today revealed that I also dragged the left case guard on the ground last weekend....Looks like I'll be destroying the bodywork in SS class racing..... Roy D. Turner wrote: I plan to run the 1/4 mile somewhere (MIR perhaps?). Hopefully my bike > will be in the low 12 or high 11 range. Anyone have any experience running > the 1/4 mile on an F3? Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Roy > D. Turner, Esq. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 01:04:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17718; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15500; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16124 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA00529; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:02:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:02:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash (Extra-Long) In-Reply-To: <357A337B.8EC@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A speedy and complete recovery to Zbig and Chuck. Let's be sure this counts for something and all learn a lesson. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 01:09:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17773; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15544; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16164 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr42-dialup18.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EU6004BA0Z3UC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 05:09:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:06:35 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: F3 Drag Racing To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002c01bd914c$12a3ab20$524d37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Hey, Sun. at Capitol Raceway in Crofton, they are having an Import Car Shootout. I know it's car's, but I've been to them before and people run bikes there too. Your F3(in stock form) should be able to run mid to high 11's from what I've seen. I was planning on going, but not sure. Probably spend the day "tinkering" on the old rat bike. Jon Schumer fzr 600 -----Original Message----- From: Roy D. Turner To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 3:23 AM Subject: F3 Drag Racing >I ran my 96 F3 at Summerduck Raceway today. My best run was a 8.3268 at >88.4853 mph. I never got out of third gear!!. (The fact that the track is >only 1/8th mile long explains this). I won my first heat race, but in the >second round I lost because my reaction time was too quick. I got off the >line in approximately .42 two seconds. Unfortunately I did not know that >the track rules mandate a .5 second reaction time as a perfect launch. By >reacting quicker than .5 seconds I was deemed to have red lighted. Next >up: I plan to run the 1/4 mile somewhere (MIR perhaps?). Hopefully my bike >will be in the low 12 or high 11 range. Anyone have any experience running >the 1/4 mile on an F3? Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Roy >D. Turner, Esq. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 01:39:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17939; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15906; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16421 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr42-dialup18.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EU6000972BZPF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 05:38:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:37:41 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <004301bd9150$481e5300$524d37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Man, you guys know the rules about approaching blind corners, but I'm sure I don't have to say any more on that. I know I am guilty of riding over my head sometimes and have so far gotten away with it unscathed(luckily). Following the rider in front of me too close, carrying a lot of speed through a corner I can't see the exit of, etc. etc. I almost bit it on the way up to Skyline Dr. a few weeks ago when I took a blind left hand corner pretty fast and decided to keep my line in the middle of the lane when a full size pickup came rolling through the inside. Had to drift wide to avoid the pickup and almost ended up running into the grass of someone's front yard. Linda T. was witness to my bad line choice and almost disaster. I know that Zbig is a fast, smooth rider. I've been behind him through Skyline Dr. and know that he is more skilled than I am. I can't help but put myself in his situation and think "what if that was me". I know that I'm not the only one who will be riding a lot more careful from now on. I hope Chuck and Zbig recover fast. Jon Schumer fzr 600 -----Original Message----- From: zbig@XXXXXX To: Dawn & Jon Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. >Warning: left hand typist at the keyboard. > > >When I was leaving FMH, chuck was already in other hospital. looks >like it more serious than it looked at beginning- multple broken bones >in leg. I am really sorry for him. > >his bike is a goner - front subframe in pieces; > > >I am home, stiff and in some pain. > >1- separated shoulder. >2- minor bruises on right leg. no blood anywhere. > >my bike - scratched canisters, broken right exhaust pipe; broken off >left mirror; badly scratched left fairing and bottom. Givi mount >broken givi bag broken. looks like fixer. > >biggrdt damage to my ego. > > >What happend - on a blind right hander over hill Chuck went a tad wide; he >panicked on transition into left hander down into the small bridge, >and just drove into rail, bounced fro it and i was faced with >guardrail, chuck and moving into left bike. As a reselut i hit bike om >thr center of the road, flipped over. end of story. > > > >lesson for me - stay further away from someone you do not know how >she/he is riding. > >_zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 10:41:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20466; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18296; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19958 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23709 invoked from network); 7 Jun 1998 14:40:44 -0000 Received: from surf130.wch.adelphia.net (HELO gary) (24.48.14.130) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 1998 14:40:44 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01bd9222$3f51a2e0$820e3018@gary> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:40:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Wow, and I almost made the trip since I thought I needed to go by my office in Leesburg, but plans changed. Now I feel lucky. I hope both riders come out okay, and I hope insurance replaces/fixes their rides. If anyone on the list can help either of you track down new/used parts, let us know. Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR Judgement to AVOID the situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 14:10:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21934; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21876; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22015 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA22676 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199806071809.AA22676@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:10 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:10 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:09:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:07:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. To: tgimer@XXXXXX Cc: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3579F03B.7EED2CC@smart.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Exactly...yesterday during the Herndon Poker run...at checkpoint 2(?), we saw two ambulances go screaming by and the only thought that went through my mind was "Oh god, not again..please don't let it be one of us..." About 5 minutes later we took off as a group of 15 and sure enough about two miles down the road we found the ambulances on the side of the road and a badly damaged black and blue Nighthawk on the side of the road..seems one of the riders got sideswiped by a DEER!...knocked him clean off his bike..he seemed ok..but they were applying an arm long bandage to his right arm and one other fellow was writhing in pain holding his leg...the EMS guys said it looked worse than it really was but they were taking precautions anyway by bandaging them up. My god folks be careful out there...there seems to be ALOT more accidents lately and not ONE of them has been by, or caused by, a squid! -aki > I'll tell you what, the feeling in my stomach that comes when I'm riding _back_ > to locate riding buddies that are unaccounted for is not one I want to get used > to. It seems like this is happening too often of late. > > Like the Horkster said though, it could have been worse. You gotta look on the > bright side. > > > Dawn & Jon wrote: > > > Holy crap!!!!!! I hope everyone is gonna be ok. What horrible news. My > > sympathies to everyone involved. > > > > Jon Schumer > > -- > Tom Gimer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 14:14:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21966; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21903; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22037 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA22694 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:13:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199806071813.AA22694@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:13:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:13:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:13:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:11:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash (Extra-Long) To: mberman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..I'm just sincerely happy that no one was killed...I second the motion for a speedy and complete recovery for Zbig and Chuck and to their family and friends who'll also suffer through their recovery period... regards, -aki > A speedy and complete recovery to Zbig and Chuck. > > Let's be sure this counts for something and all learn a lesson. > > -Mb > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 15:27:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22559; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23537; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (known orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22846 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0yil5E-0008ALC; Sun, 7 Jun 98 12:26 PDT Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0yil4d-000G9aC; Sun, 7 Jun 98 12:25 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.12) id ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:26 PDT Message-ID: <357AE9C4.57969011@amdahl.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 15:28:04 -0400 From: Carl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: true@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First off congradulations goes out to your friend. The 750 Shadow is a very nice bike. My thought are that if it isn't out of her price range buy it new. You will get a warranty and not end up with a bunch of problems! There are quite a few honda dealers in the area. If you can't afford a new bike this bike has been around for quite a while there should be pleanty of them on the market. Check the pennysaver and other mags. The finer points of the bike is that it is a shaft drive, water cooled, v-twin, sportster look alike. Made by the best japanese manufaturer in Marysville, Oh. This bike is fairly reliable and with the 750 should have pleanty of power (assuming she is under 300 lbs). I'm starting to sound like a commercial. I have a couple of friends with this bike and my brother has one. They all have enjoyed the style and feel of this bike. Similarly styled bikes are very numerous. Almost every japanese manufacturer make a H-D look alike of one type or another. Then there is the original, the sportster comes in a 883 that is the exact bike the Shadow is designed after. There are some major differences though, the delux model has a belt drive instead of the shaft. I could make a case for either, both are better than a chain. The Sportster is air cooled instead of water cooled, this is lighter but is more suseptable to 100+ temps driving in town. I have a 91 that I bought used in 91. I have lowered it using the Hugger shocks so that my wife can ride it comfortably. I still ride it more than she does and love this bike. If it had the engine rubber mounted like my dresser it would be purfect... I'm not sure what the Shadow goes for new but the Sprotster 883 Deluxe goes for about $5000 - $7000 depending on the dealer. Have fun and ride safe! Carl B. 91 H-D Sportster Deluxe (Hugger) 94 H-D ElectraGlide Ultra Classic true@XXXXXX wrote: > A friend of mine just got her license, and went out shopping immediately > the other night for a bike. After looking around, she seems to have > settled on a Shadow 750 as her bike of choice. > > So, first of all, does anyone have, or know of someone who has, one of > these for sale? > > My personal feeling is that an older bike is better, but I don't even know > how long they've been made. Maybe someone can educate me on the finer > points and possible failings of this bike. > > Secondly, are there bikes you might recommend which are similarly styled? > Arguments for said bikes are also appreciated. And if you know of _those_ > for sale, feel free to throw that in, also. :) > > Thanks everyone, > > MET > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs > ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 19:15:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24225; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27750; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25315 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id TAA15698; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA04226; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:14:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.44]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980607231404.SEKQ11142@[166.41.111.44]>; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:14:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles , Dillon Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash (Extra-Long) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980607231404.SEKQ11142@[166.41.111.44]> John Kozyn wrote: >Anyway, this was our first ride together and I still feel badly for >maybe putting Chuck in a situation placing himself over his head. I >don't know... I feel I bear a certain responsibility for not insisting >he stay in back, but I also sensed maybe Zbig and Bruce wanted to hang >back to ride tail position. I guess I erred in my judgement. Relax John, There's nothing you could have done about it. After speaking w/you, Joanna T. and Tom M. I have a pretty clear picture what happened, but it still baffles me. Every now and then a person gets in over their head, sometimes as in this case w/bad results. I'm glad to hear Chuck is in good spirits. He should recover nicely. Zbig on the other hand will be taking a thrashing from his SO for awhile :) Please ride safe folks. I want to ride with ALL of you someday :) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 19:19:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24254; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27782; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25356 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id SAA03900; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:17:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA20548; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.111.79]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980607231753.QDAJ7401@XXXXXX>; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:17:53 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "HSTA" Subject: Problems with bionic tank bag Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bd926a$7e03aa40$4f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I've been trying to finish my setup for Taos and have run into a problem. I have created a custom tank bag to hold the following: radar detector CB with radar detector override and stereo input mini-disk player and amplifier Everything is designed for a 12 volt system except the mini-disk player which needs to run through a power converter. This is where the problem lies. I can't get any of the three different power converters I have to indicate that they are getting any power in. The CB/radar detector work fine. I checked the voltage using my handy-dandy digital multimeter from Radio Shack and the bike is putting out -12.58 volts while the car puts out 11.5 volts. What's with the positive/negative stuff. Is that the problem? I have a pretty standard power converter with lots of settings for various power outputs (1.5 3 4.5 6 etc) and lots of plug ends. The bike owner's manual just says it's a 12 volt system. Nothing about positive or negative ground. I plug the power converter into the car and a little indicator light comes on and it powers the mini-disk player. I plug into the bike and no indicator light and dead mini-disk player. And this test is with no other items plugged in. And another question, the power input for the md player says 4.5 volts dc, but it runs on 2 AA batteries that produce 3 volts (2x1.5). What's up with that? And I haven't even started thinking about the gps. I've always thought of electricity as magic and I have a tiny bit of knowledge (I think of it as a small spell), that I abuse at every opportunity. TIA LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (all a-tingly) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 19:50:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24375; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27918; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25682 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-127.s127.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.127]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03656; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357B26E8.DD9A77C6@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 19:48:56 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: Dc-Cycles , HSTA Subject: Re: Problems with bionic tank bag References: <001301bd926a$7e03aa40$4f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda, What kind of power connector are you using?? Is it a cigarette lighter type? If so,it's possible that you wired it backwards. Some of your accessories (i.e. cb/radar detector) may not be polarity sensitive but the converter you're using for the mini-disc player might be. try reversing the leads then try again.. if that don't work ??????? -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 21:03:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24767; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28363; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26298 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27893; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust022.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.22]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA12835 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:03:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980607210026.0069e884@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 21:00:26 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Problems with bionic tank bag Do you plug it into a cigarette lighter adapter (or something similar) It sounds like the one on the bike has the wires reversed. Since all the peripherals are in the bag, they're not actually grounded so the fuse won't blow to indicate that as a problem. Electricity isn't magic, it's water. Your's has the water coming out of the drain and up into the faucet. Most of your electricals don't mind rinning backward, the CD (or it's converter) won't accept that. Voltage is like water pressure; although your CD wants it flowing in the right direction, it can adjust for the wrong flow rate. Leon. At 19:17 7-06-98 -0400, you wrote: >I've been trying to finish my setup for Taos and have run into a problem. >I have created a custom tank bag to hold the following: >radar detector >CB with radar detector override and stereo input >mini-disk player and amplifier >Everything is designed for a 12 volt system except the mini-disk player >which needs to run through a power converter. This is where the problem >lies. I can't get any of the three different power converters I have to >indicate that they are getting any power in. The CB/radar detector work >fine. I checked the voltage using my handy-dandy digital multimeter from >Radio Shack and the bike is putting out -12.58 volts >while the car puts out 11.5 volts. What's with the positive/negative stuff. >Is that the problem? I have a pretty standard power converter with lots of >settings for various power outputs (1.5 3 4.5 6 etc) and lots of plug ends. >The bike owner's manual just says it's a 12 volt system. Nothing about >positive or negative ground. I plug the power converter into the car and a >little indicator light comes on and it powers the mini-disk player. I plug >into the bike and no indicator light and dead mini-disk player. And this >test is with no other items plugged in. > >And another question, the power input for the md player says 4.5 volts dc, >but it runs on 2 AA batteries that produce 3 volts (2x1.5). What's up with >that? > >And I haven't even started thinking about the gps. > >I've always thought of electricity as magic and I have a tiny bit of >knowledge (I think of it as a small spell), that I abuse at every >opportunity. > >TIA >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze (all a-tingly) > > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 22:52:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25973; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18210; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27909 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:48:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FW: vfr-digest V1 #1128 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 22:53:09 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Saw the following post on the VFR list and I was wondering if anyone >has ever seen a spec on ANY M/C which can better a 2.9 sec 0-60 time. > The only one I've ever heard of is the Boss Hoss but, it has a 5,700 >CC engine in it and I still have trouble believing it because of the >traction thing. When you have a square cross section car tire, you can get really good grip. Handling, OTOH... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 7 22:52:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25977; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18214; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27913 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:48:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 22:53:12 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Go mail order if you wish, but I think we can all reccommend some good local shops. I'll say Clinton Cycles, and then try to slog my way through three days worth of mail:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 04:19:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA28811; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA22338; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01349 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chuck & Zbig crash. Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:32:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Damn, sorry to hear about this accident. I was suited up and ready to go yesterday morning when my bike wouldn't start. I've come to the conclusion I might have a bad voltage regulator that keep eating my batteries. I'm averging a battery a year. Anyhow, hope everyone recovers OK. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Well, our morning did not start off well. After meeting at Leesburg Amoco. > Craig, Tom T., Zbig, John Kozyn, Rich & myself went up Rt 15 to Point of > Rocks where we met Tom G., Chuck & another (sorry, I'm bad w/ names). > Leaving Point of Rocks on Rt 28 we took a left on Pleasant View Road. > After > about 2 miles we crossed a small bridge in a twisty section. Apparantly > Chuck (Virago) got wide & clipped the guard rail on the right side (left > hand twisty). Chuck appears to have a broken right leg & a severe > laceration > to his right cheek. Zbig was following & seems to have hit Chuck's bike, > then flipped & broke his right shoulder or collar bone. Virago is totalled > (broken frame where brake pedal attaches, broken upper triple clamp) > Zbig's > XX seems to have mostly cosmetic damage (both lowers, upper, both mirrors, > both exhaust canisters, Givi bag mounting, bike would roll but would not > start). Both riders were taken to Frederick Memorial Hospital. John Kozyn > went with them and i hope to hear more about there condition soon. Both > riders were concious & alert so I feel confident that broken bones are the > worst of it. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 06:33:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29528; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23793; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02552 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:31:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Matt Elliott - DIGEX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Coleman Posuer Sports Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:34:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Matt, I've only been there once and had a good experience. About 2 years ago they replaced my "faulty" speedo cable after receiving a speeding ticket. Cost of part and labor? $29.00. If I ever have anyone do work on my bike its going to be them. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Has anyone on the list had any experience with Manasass Honda? I'm going > to > get some basic maintenance done on the bike (mechanically challenged and > I'll > give my worst excuse ever - no time to do it myself) and I was going to go > to > this dealer. > > Are they honest/good to work with? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 06:47:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29595; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23865; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02651 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Dawn & Jon'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: F3 Drag Racing Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:48:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Am I missing something here? I thought the F3's ran in the high 10's stock form? I seem to recall like 10.7 or something. Hell, my old bike is supposed to do it in 12.79. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Hey, Sun. at Capitol Raceway in Crofton, they are having an Import Car > Shootout. I know it's car's, but I've been to them before and people run > bikes there too. Your F3(in stock form) should be able to run mid to high > 11's from what I've seen. I was planning on going, but not sure. > Probably > spend the day "tinkering" on the old rat bike. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 06:56:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29653; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23914; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02694 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:54:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: vfr-digest V1 #1128 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:57:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Yeah, there are several. The ZX-11 comes to mind. I think it does it in 2.6. I think most of the super bikes do it in under 3.0 seconds. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Saw the following post on the VFR list and I was wondering if anyone > has ever seen a spec on ANY M/C which can better a 2.9 sec 0-60 time. > The only one I've ever heard of is the Boss Hoss but, it has a 5,700 > CC engine in it and I still have trouble believing it because of the > traction thing. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:06:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00256; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24347; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03346 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:05:46 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.42]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980608120511.ISXC15374@rude>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:05:11 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980608080311.0069c604@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:03:11 -0400 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Dawn & Jon'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: F3 Drag Racing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Glenn-- No, somewhere in the 11s is it. The 97 (98?) ZX6R is the first 600 to go into the 10s. And this is all theoretical, since the magazine times are run by professionals (or at least well-practiced amateurs), usually relatively lightweight guys. The last couple of times I went to 75-80, I saw a ZX11 and a V-Max running low 12s-high 11s. And they both had slip-ons, if not more modifications. see ya Kevin At 06:48 AM 6/8/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Am I missing something here? I thought the F3's ran in the high 10's stock >form? I seem to recall like 10.7 or something. Hell, my old bike is >supposed to do it in 12.79. > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> Hey, Sun. at Capitol Raceway in Crofton, they are having an Import Car >> Shootout. I know it's car's, but I've been to them before and people run >> bikes there too. Your F3(in stock form) should be able to run mid to high >> 11's from what I've seen. I was planning on going, but not sure. >> Probably >> spend the day "tinkering" on the old rat bike. >> >> > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:32:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00537; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24497; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03640 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9793990284; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:30:49 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980608080024.0104a100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:00:24 -0400 To: "Dc-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: New Roadcrafter In-Reply-To: <000701bd90bd$498f7900$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:05 PM 6/5/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: >So, how long does it take before a new Roadcrafter starts too soften up? Mine took about a week - one trip to Daytona softened it up. >Would washing it make it any softer? Or just ruin the water >proofness? It shouldn't, but if it were mine, I probably wouldn't wash it yet (actually, that's probably not that big a deal. I wash my suit about twice a year, when I change my armor pads - summer/winter). Leon Begeman just got a new suit and he might be able to tell you more about break-in. > The instructions say it takes around 1k miles for it to loosen >up. So, I need to do a saddlesore? And the zippers at the wrist refuse to >stay closed. Am I just being picky? My waist zippers (that hold the top & bottoms together) have always worked their way loose. I just pull them tight every few times that I put the suit on. I've thought of tacking down the zipper pulls with a few turns of thread, but never quite got around to it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:32:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00541; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24500; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03644 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A97B3990284; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:30:51 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980608080933.0107c960@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:09:33 -0400 To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Chuck & Zbig crash. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199806062106.RAA05526@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <000c01bd90f1$7bc26f20$0b4937a6@0302104396168270> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:06 PM 6/6/98 -0400, zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >I am home, stiff and in some pain. > >1- separated shoulder. >2- minor bruises on right leg. no blood anywhere. > >my bike - scratched canisters, broken right exhaust pipe; broken off >left mirror; badly scratched left fairing and bottom. Givi mount >broken givi bag broken. looks like fixer. > >biggrdt damage to my ego. > >lesson for me - stay further away from someone you do not know how >she/he is riding. I'm really sorry to hear about the wrecks. Best wishes for a quick recovery. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:39:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00627; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24586; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03776 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22730; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D06D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Dawn & Jon'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: F3 Drag Racing Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:39:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Kevin, It must be the rider then...a stock ZX11 should run low 11's if not down to the high 10's. I saw Bergie Frazer blast his ZX11 (jet kit, muzz titanium pipe) down the 1/4 mile at MIR at 10.75 (or was it 65??). V-Max should be right there along with it. The new 6R is one potent mother. During track day, I chased around Brian Summers for a few laps, an it was pulling harder than a lot of other bikes with more displacement. > The last couple of times I went to 75-80, I > saw a ZX11 and a V-Max running low 12s-high 11s. And they both had > slip-ons, if not more modifications. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:44:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00681; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24657; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03824 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22944 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:55 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D06E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Crashes Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:44:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Best wishes for all the unfortunate victims. Just wanted to put out a notw one more time: CALL ME if you have a problem somewhere in the area and need a bike lift back to wherever. I'll do anything within my means to help out, free of charge (other than you have to listen to me jabber all the way home :)). I figure I may need the help someday, so what goes around comes around. My home number is (703) 356-4279, and work is (202) 366-0067. Anytime day or night. I believe Glenn has a similar standing offer, so write down his number too, and stick a note inside your jacket pocet, inside your tool kit, wherever, as long as you have it out and about with you on the bike. I hate hearing of people having crashes, then getting even more pain when the towing bill comes in. Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:57:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00778; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24798; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04053 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Front Row Seat for the Wreck Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From immediately behind Zbig and Chuck, it looked like they were both doing the best that could be done with a really screwy situation. I don't recall even going fast through the double curve area (a downhill right hander was followed almost immediately by a left-hander that went over a creek, leading to a straight uphill). Since I'm not sure I'd want to take the initial downhill right hander on a cruiser (or even a car for that matter) at any speed, I think Chuck was stuck with a near-impossible situation. Just to help matters along, the guard rail on the over-creek bridge was segmented, with an initial short piece that acted to narrow the path of travel, then a sufficient gap before the next segment such that the next segment could act like a hook. Had there been one long straight guard rail, instead of the segment, I have no doubt the Virago would have just bounced and skidded on the rail, staying out of the road, and Chuck would have been shaken, not stirred. Instead, it got hooked by the longer rail segment, ripping off the Virago's long back brake lever before Chuck's lower right leg took a much more concentrated impact on the end, instead of the side of, the guard rail. The next effect of the hook was that the Virago twisted sideways out into Zbig's path, instead of staying to the side and continuing forward. At that point Zbig, having thus far done a remarkable job of avoiding Chuck and Virago, had no choice but to hit the Virago, naturally taking a fairly ungraceful front flip (don't worry Zbig, the judges may have taken a few tenths off for clumsiness, but the degree of difficulty for doing it on a Blackbird will overcome that ;-) ). By the way, if you're ever in that area, carry a cell phone -- neither of the two nearest houses would answer the door / show any signs of life when I went trying to get an ambulance, and although some of them did show up later (supposedly offering help), I also heard them take the opportunity to moralize and make fun of idiot motorcyclists. Gawd, there's nothing more distasteful in human psychology than the after-the-fact moralizing, it's right up there with rubber-necking. You know, let this be a lesson on this or that, somebody just HAS to have been doing something listed as a sin somewhere, they just HAVE to have been, it can't be any other way. It's the blue-rinsed old grannies wagging the finger of wisdom. If there was a lesson to be learned (and from my front row seat, it's a mighty close call), I'm sure that those who should learn it, have. Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 08:58:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00783; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24804; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04075 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:57:32 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA15551 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199806081256.AA15551@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:36 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:36 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:56:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 8:54:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... To: cwb10@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, true@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357AE9C4.57969011@amdahl.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style of Shadow are your referring to? cheers, -aki > First off congradulations goes out to your friend. The 750 Shadow is a very > nice bike. My thought are that if it isn't out of her price range buy it new. > You will get a warranty and not end up with a bunch of problems! There are > quite a few honda dealers in the area. If you can't afford a new bike this > bike has been around for quite a while there should be pleanty of them on the > market. Check the pennysaver and other mags. The finer points of the bike is > that it is a shaft drive, water cooled, v-twin, sportster look alike. Made by > the best japanese manufaturer in Marysville, Oh. This bike is fairly reliable > and with the 750 should have pleanty of power (assuming she is under 300 lbs). > > I'm starting to sound like a commercial. I have a couple of friends with this > bike and my brother has one. They all have enjoyed the style and feel of this > bike. Similarly styled bikes are very numerous. Almost every japanese > manufacturer make a H-D look alike of one type or another. Then there is the > original, the sportster comes in a 883 that is the exact bike the Shadow is > designed after. There are some major differences though, the delux model has a > belt drive instead of the shaft. I could make a case for either, both are > better than a chain. The Sportster is air cooled instead of water cooled, this > is lighter but is more suseptable to 100+ temps driving in town. I have a 91 > that I bought used in 91. I have lowered it using the Hugger shocks so that my > wife can ride it comfortably. I still ride it more than she does and love this > bike. If it had the engine rubber mounted like my dresser it would be > purfect... > > I'm not sure what the Shadow goes for new but the Sprotster 883 Deluxe goes > for about $5000 - $7000 depending on the dealer. Have fun and ride safe! > > Carl B. > 91 H-D Sportster Deluxe (Hugger) > 94 H-D ElectraGlide Ultra Classic > > true@XXXXXX wrote: > > > A friend of mine just got her license, and went out shopping immediately > > the other night for a bike. After looking around, she seems to have > > settled on a Shadow 750 as her bike of choice. > > > > So, first of all, does anyone have, or know of someone who has, one of > > these for sale? > > > > My personal feeling is that an older bike is better, but I don't even know > > how long they've been made. Maybe someone can educate me on the finer > > points and possible failings of this bike. > > > > Secondly, are there bikes you might recommend which are similarly styled? > > Arguments for said bikes are also appreciated. And if you know of _those_ > > for sale, feel free to throw that in, also. :) > > > > Thanks everyone, > > > > MET > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > > Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > > Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs > > ======================================================================= > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 09:40:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01203; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25540; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04886 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01370 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05348 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081339.JAA05348@shell.clark.net> Subject: Capitol 1000 results To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:39:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I'm back from the Capitol 1000. Fortunately everyone seemed to have made it in one piece. I'll post some of the route information later (Base route was Hagerstown, MD to Annapolis, MD to Norfolk, VA to Danville, VA to Charleston, WV to Morganstown, WV to Hagerstown, MD) But I wanted to let you all know some of the results for your fellow DC-Cyclers. Although this was only my first time riding in a rally, I set myself a goal of being in the top 10. (There were 51 riders registered). I was very happy to be in 7th place. My ride was 1235.6 miles (according to the GPS). My average riding speed was 59.1 mph. I made it to the finish checkpoint with about 10 minutes to spare before my 24 hours were up. (Start getting a penalty of 2 pts per minute after 24 hrs) Fourth place (with a prize of a bottle of champaigne) went to Leon Begeman. He thought he wasn't going to make it to Hagerstown in time to avoid any late penaties, but when I caught up to him about 60 miles outside of Hagerstown, we started riding a little faster. Then we got passed by a bunch of guys who were going quite a bit faster. Leon took another look at his GPS and realized he could make it in time. We turned it up slightly (still not anywhere near insane levels) and both made it to the finish on time. Leon said that Dale did a great job as coach and GPS programmer. Can I hire you next year Dale? :-) [unless we can talk you into riding it yourself] I'd like to thank Leon for his encouragement and valuable bits and pieces of advice he gave me over the past few weeks. I'd also like to thank Tom Mersch who gave me (err... I mean loaned me) his Garmin III GPS and Street Atlas so I could do some advance thinking and planning. They both were helpful. You'll get your GPS back soon... probably. ;-) I'll do a more detailed write up of my ride later. Here's a preview.... Gas Station in Charleston, WV; Pumps open, but store locked. Rest rooms in the store. Pimple faced attendant won't let me in, no matter how much I dance the "I-gotta-pee" dance. Know the expression "Piss on you!" ?? Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 10:02:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01487; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25875; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05548 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA01424; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA28984; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:01:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608140113.XTKX20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:01:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Mersch, Tom" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Front Row Seat for the Wreck X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608140113.XTKX20960@[166.41.242.141]> Tom Mersch wrote: >Gawd, there's nothing more distasteful in human psychology than the >after-the-fact moralizing, it's right up there with rubber-necking. You I was watching "Trauma, life in the E.R." last evening on Discovery. A motorcyclists came in with fractures and all kinds of blood. One of the Dr.s commented to the camara, "How stupid can you be, riding a motorcycle in 40 degree weather in February? The guy was asking for trouble." (heavy sigh....) Did'nt hear any comments about the drunk woman who drove her car into a ravine and wound up with her head through the floor board! Now that's stupid! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 10:47:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01980; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26380; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06705 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA1309 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:39:49 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:44:55 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:47:12 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: FW: vfr-digest V1 #1128 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline December 1996 Cycle World "Bike vs. Car" article: Yamaha yzf 1000 r 0-60 in 2.6 sec. I'm sure others have gone faster, but it's not a real useful spec for bikes. Lotta superbikes are at 60 before redline in 1st gear (even my antique). Looping is the big problem; personally, I'd rather smoke the tire. Joe '86 Ninja 900 >>> "Carver, John" - 6/5/98 9:18 AM >>> Saw the following post on the VFR list and I was wondering if anyone has ever seen a spec on ANY M/C which can better a 2.9 sec 0-60 time. The only one I've ever heard of is the Boss Hoss but, it has a 5,700 CC engine in it and I still have trouble believing it because of the traction thing. John Carver '98 VFR ---------- From: owner-vfr-digest@XXXXXX[SMTP:owner-vfr-digest@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 1:26 PM To: vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: vfr-digest V1 #1128 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 9:45:10 EDT From: Bryan Ischo Subject: 0-60 in 1.3 secs??? X-Message-Number: 021 This is not really VFR related, but I have a quick question ... someone posted on the list about an article from Fortune magazine at http://www.pathfinder.com/fortune/pfortune/0608big.html which lists the Yamaha R1 0-60 time at 1.3 secs. Is this really true? If so, it would be one of the more amazing things I have ever heard. BTW, the VFR800 was chosen as the author's favorite "sportbike" out of the list of elite bikes used for the article ... and was listed at 2.9 secs 0-60. Thanks, Bryan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 10:56:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02086; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26706; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06944 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust001.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.1]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA30427 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:57:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980608105400.006a1f00@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:54:00 +0000 To: "'dc'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Crashes I hope you both heal quickly. Please add me to the list of people to call. In addition, I have a trailer with a 1 7/8" ball and a standard 4 wire connector. Even if I'm not available, the trailer usually is. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:11:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02267; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27119; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07300 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA1777 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:03:28 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:08:29 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:11:14 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX Subject: RE: F3 Drag Racing -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline In 1985, dragster ace Jay "Pee Wee" Gleason got sub-11s from every bike in a "Fastest Streetbike" shootout for now-defunct Cycle Guide. King of the quarter was the Suzi GS 1150 E with 10.43 @ 145.86mph. Joe 86 Ninja 900 (10.756 @ 151.25mph) >>> "Fagan, Collin LTJG" - 6/8/98 8:39 AM >>> Kevin, It must be the rider then...a stock ZX11 should run low 11's if not down to the high 10's. I saw Bergie Frazer blast his ZX11 (jet kit, muzz titanium pipe) down the 1/4 mile at MIR at 10.75 (or was it 65??). V-Max should be right there along with it. The new 6R is one potent mother. During track day, I chased around Brian Summers for a few laps, an it was pulling harder than a lot of other bikes with more displacement. > The last couple of times I went to 75-80, I > saw a ZX11 and a V-Max running low 12s-high 11s. And they both had > slip-ons, if not more modifications. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:18:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02348; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27252; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07536 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA1901 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:10:28 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:15:29 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:17:43 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Down Richmond way, it's Moto Europa. 'Specially for BMWs & Italians. Yes, they work on Asian bikes. Joe '86 Ninja 900 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:27:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02453; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27361; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07722 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 333; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:16 -0400 Message-ID: <357C02C8.92C0D40A@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:27:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Front Row Seat for the Wreck References: <19980608140113.XTKX20960@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > One > of the Dr.s commented to the camara, "How stupid can you be, riding > a motorcycle in 40 degree weather in February? The guy was asking > for trouble." -- Geez, I pray for 40 degree weather in February, so I can have a comfy ride to work for a change! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:27:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02461; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27367; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known [206.135.160.194] [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07726 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:21:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:25:24 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! There were 2 brand new '98 Yamaha R-1s for sale. Both owners only wanted approximately $2,000.00 over suggested retail for their bikes. Well, imagine that: price-gouging on Japanese sportbikes. There never seems to be a shortage of greedy, opportunistic, money-grubbing bastards out there who are more than willing to capitalize on the limited availability of a product by asking way too much money for it. Gee, Harley-Davidson owners and dealers have been price-gouging for years now. The only difference is that H-D bikes can't accelerate, brake, or handle like a real bike should. It's kind of funny that so many people are willing to overpay for the privilege of owning such motorized fashion statements. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:37:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02611; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27468; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07930 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust001.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.1]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA30809; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:10:34 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980608110724.0069bc48@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:07:24 +0000 To: Todd Peer , "Mersch, Tom" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Front Row Seat for the Wreck Cc: "'dc-cycles'" You gotta be kidding, 40? There must be a minus sign missing there somewhere. Leon. I hate cold weather. At 09:47 8-06-98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >I was watching "Trauma, life in the E.R." last evening on Discovery. >A motorcyclists came in with fractures and all kinds of blood. One >of the Dr.s commented to the camara, "How stupid can you be, riding >a motorcycle in 40 degree weather in February? The guy was asking >for trouble." > >(heavy sigh....) Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 11:50:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02761; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27914; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08265 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 202; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:49:59 -0400 Message-ID: <357C081B.3FA1F7AA@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:49:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 results References: <199806081339.JAA05348@shell.clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > I'm back from the Capitol 1000. Fortunately everyone seemed to have made > it in one piece. <> > I was very happy to be in 7th place. My ride was 1235.6 miles (according > to the GPS). My average riding speed was 59.1 mph. I made it to the > finish checkpoint with about 10 minutes to spare before my 24 hours were > up. -- Louis! Outstanding! I'm proud of both you and Leon, although I'm still not convinced that I actually helped Leon out much, I think he'd have kicked butt all by himself, I spent too much time figuring things out (but then again, I had all night! :) About the only useful thing I did was to warn Leon about how tight it was coming back from Danville to the final checkpoints and the finish. He'd have figured that out eventually. I wanted to come up for the awards banquet, it would have been cool to meet Mr. Mike Kneebone himself, but I had kid duty, and no cage this weekend. Oh well. I'm envious of you guys. I told Leon, I can think, or I can ride, but I don't like to do both at the same time. :) Staying clear-headed for 24 hours (or hell, 11 days for the IronButt) is something that is way beyond me. Congrats on a great finish! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:01:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02882; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28506; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08591 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081600.MAA08591@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXRYX; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:05:38 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:00:49 -0400 To: DC Cycles List From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] In-Reply-To: <3578326B.40AA49F6@tidalwave.net> References: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, I know everyone just can't wait to hear about my poker run filled weekend! :) Saturday - Herndon Police Poker Run Only myself and one other rider showed up at the Wendy's in Chantilly to meet up with Alan Wheat from NOVAMGR. I'm not sure if I ever got the other rider's name (I'm *really* bad on names), but he was riding a sharp looking '97 Katana. After having a marginal Wendy's breakfast we headed over to the Herndon Police Station and the start of the ride. We hung out for a while to see if any other NOVAMGR or dc-cycles folks showed up, but we didn't see anyone we recognized. Starbucks provided coffee, tea and a mountain of bagels for the participants. Should have skipped the Wendy's breakfast! :) At about 10:30 am we decided to strike out on our own. Since I was the only one with a tank bag I reluctantly volunteered to be the leader. "Reluctantly" only because I know I tend to ride on the slow side, especially on bumpy twisty backroads. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that the roads on the route were *excellent* -- 55 mph speed limits on most, no traffic, good pavement, good visibility, plenty of 25 mph turns, etc... I was able to keep up a brisk pace and and also enjoy the scenery (horse farms, country estates, rolling hills). It was also fun to follow the route sheet, not knowing where we would wind up. When we reached the first stop there was a bonus for the guys -- Hooter's had chosen that gas station for a stop on their poker run as well. It was causing a bit of confusion (& drooling), but we were able to get our 2nd card and head on to the next check point. At one point we slowed down through a small town, and large group of cruisers caught up with us. After being a "reluctant leader" I looked in my mirrors to see at least 25-30 bikes following me.. talk about pressure! :) We pulled away from the cruisers but saw them a few minutes later when we discovered an error in the directions. Supposed to turn left, but looking to the left revealed a crummy dirt and gravel road. Looking to the right revealed nice pavement and a double yellow line... made an executive decision and headed right. I figured we could always turn around, but it turned out to be the correct choice. I think the cruiser group opted to check up the road a little further and we didn't see them again until the next check point. The guy handling the cards at that checkpoint had been taking a lot of heat over the error in the directions but was good natured about it. He was quite interested in motorcycles, and I think we talked him into taking the MSF class. Another convert! Not too much excitement for the next two check points, just nice backroads, and a beautiful day. We got back to the Herndon Police Station at about 2:30 pm. I had a really crummy hand (not even a lousy pair) and passed on the 50/50 drawing (not much of a gambler!). There were trophies for the top two rider hands, the top two passenger hands and the group with the most riders. There was some yummy burgers and hotdogs courtesy of Lonestar Steakhouse, although the food was a little on the well-done side. At 3:00 pm they started drawing for the door prizes -- everything from Fraternal Order of Police polo shirts to a free rental car for a weekend. Unfortunately, no one in our little group won anything... but we had a great time nonetheless. I'm definitely going to participate next year! And, I'm going to spend some time with a map to figure out the best way to hit those roads again. Stay tuned for even more poker run fun... Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:02:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02941; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28603; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08696 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA28607; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA21047; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608160203.RSWK7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:02:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: David Wakefield CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Guess what I saw in the classifieds this past weekend! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608160203.RSWK7401@[166.41.242.141]> >There were 2 brand new '98 Yamaha R-1s for sale. Both owners only >wanted approximately $2,000.00 over suggested retail for their bikes. > >Well, imagine that: price-gouging on Japanese sportbikes. There never >seems to be a shortage of greedy, opportunistic, money-grubbing >bastards out there who are more than willing to capitalize on the limited >availability of a product by asking way too much money for it. > >Gee, Harley-Davidson owners and dealers have been price-gouging for >years now. The only difference is that H-D bikes can't accelerate, brake, >or handle like a real bike should. It's kind of funny that so many people >are willing to overpay for the privilege of owning such motorized fashion >statements. It's all supply and demand, and the invisible hand of the marketplace where competition is sucked through a vacuum. My prediction: The people selling the R-1s 'might' get what they want. If there are at least two people out there (or one) who can't control their need for the bike, then the market will be served. However, the R-1 is the new target to shoot for and it will be sold in dealerships again soon with second run production. So maybe the greedy guys will get stuck with a pretty damn cool bike. As for HD (the company), unless they stop all the corporate BS, there days are numbered. The loyal HD riders aren't buying new, and the poseurs will soon find a new fad to be cool with. Not only that, the new Polaris and the soon to be new (old) Excelsiar Henderson are now, will be, direct American market competition. The price will be what the market will bear. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:09:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03011; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29011; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08842 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA03397 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199806081609.AA03397@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:09:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:06:55 -0400 Subject: RE: Equifax To: Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ops sorry..still catching up on my email... yes tis true..they give the test in Spanish...not only THAT, but if one can't read...they'll assign a proctor for you... not THAT'S scary! What happens when the illiterate person comes to a sign they can't read? Are they supposed to have the proctor with them whenever they drive? 8-P Worse yet is the exemptions you can get from your doctor to exempt you from the vision exam...so..as I've seen in the past,a person is IS LEGALLY BLIND..can get an exemption and then get their license! be afraid, be very afraid out there folks! -aki > Very true Linda, I seem to recall that DMV gives the drivers test in > Spanish. For the ex-DMV'er, is this true? If it is that is a scary > thought. Sure you can remember the normal sigh but how about those > programmable signs? > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > I can give a chilling fact. I took the VA Driver's improvement course a > > few > > weeks ago in a feeble attempt to mitigate an upcoming ticket. The woman > > next to me finally admitted at the end of the day that she couldn't take > > the > > final test because she couldn't read english. She's out there driving. > > > > Watch out. > > > > LindaT. > > 95 F3 Purple Haze > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., asked: > > > > > > I don't > > know why people just don't read the damn signs. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:17:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03225; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29304; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09189 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA07071; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA13407; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608161700.YWCJ20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:17:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: "Mersch, Tom" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Front Row Seat for the Wreck X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608161700.YWCJ20960@[166.41.242.141]> You gotta be kidding, 40? There must be a minus sign missing there somewhere. Leon. I hate cold weather. No I'm not kidding. What made it bad was that moralizing tone the guy took. I don't really think he cared that it was 40 degrees out. I think he just had strong opinions about motorcycles and used the wx as a prop for his opinion. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:33:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03419; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29624; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09713 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:32:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Equifax Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:35:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Funny you mention that. I have a friend on mine who is legally blind and has a drivers license. He once rear-ended a trash truck because he didn't see it in broad daylight! Is that scary or what? Personally, I think he has no business having a drivers license. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Worse yet is the exemptions you can get from your doctor to exempt > you from the vision exam...so..as I've seen in the past,a person > is IS LEGALLY BLIND..can get an exemption and then get their license! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:37:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03468; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29673; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09830 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:36:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Reprise Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:36:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route modifications as desired ;-) Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:48:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03595; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29824; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10226 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Reprise Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:49:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Agreed, since I wasn't able to make the first attempt. I can't go Sunday (14) because I'll be at the advanced MSF course. BTW, had a guy in a pickup truck assist my buddy Bill and I yesterday while riding out towards Leesburg on route 7. Some numbnuts cut in between us and then nearly clipped the back of my bike. The guy in the pickup saw what happened jumped in front of this guys and slammed on his brakes. I gave him a wave of thank you as we went by. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route > modifications as desired ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 12:59:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03770; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00338; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10571 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081659.MAA10571@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXR5B; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:51 -0400 X-Sender: anita@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:59:04 -0400 To: DC Cycles List From: Anita Lauro Subject: Poker Run Weekend [Part II] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The fun continues! Sunday - Virago Owner's Club (Woodbridge Chapter) Poker Run This ride turned out to be completely different from the Herndon Police Poker Run. Alan Wheat (NOVAMGR) warned me that I might not even know I was on a Poker Run, and he was right! :) I started out from Sterling at about 7 a.m. with my neighbor who has a Virago 920. We met up with some friends of his (two married couples on two big Harleys) and headed down to the Shoney's in Woodbridge. When we arrived at Shoney's there were already quite a few bikes and riders there. Although it was a ride sponsored by a Virago owner's club, there were way more Harleys than Virago's. Since lunch was to be a seafood buffet we skipped breakfast. Ursulina Viteri showed up a few minutes later, having ridden down from Oakton to join us. The ride was to head out to Colonial Beach, a distance of 62 miles, with a stopover at a motorcycle dealership in Fredericksburg. A total of 29 bikes participated, with quite a few people riding two up. My Nighthawk was the closest thing to a sport bike I saw on this ride (except at the motorcycle dealership), and Ursulina fit in quite well with her mini-cruiser. As you might well imagine, it was pretty noisy when all those bikes started up! We headed out down Route 1 at a leisurely pace.. very leisurely. I think speeds were at or slightly below posted speed limits. The good thing was that since the roads were mostly four lanes, and we were going slower than the automobile traffic, the group stayed together pretty well. It was fun.. sort of like riding in a parade! We definitely attracted a lot of attention. This was also the first group ride I've been on that had chase cars and a "videographer." There was a Mustang with open t-tops that followed along, and a guy with a video camera hung out the window filming us! There was also plenty of picture taking at the stops. We arrived at the restaurant at about 11:30 am and went inside to our section of the restaurant. The lunch buffet started at around 12:30 pm, and everyone hung out at the restaurant until well after 3 pm. This event was really about socializing rather than riding, but Ursulina and I had a great time. It was a blast to hang out with such a colorful group ("real" Harley Bikers as Ursulina put it)! Everyone seemed to be great friends, and there was a lot of joking going on. The highlights... Ursulina was definitely my good luck charm! After not even getting a pair the day before I drew a great hand -- a full house, jacks over fives - didn't even have to buy any extra cards. Unlike a "real" poker run, we just drew five cards at the restaurant. The funny thing is that I don't play poker, so as they were reading off the 3rd and 2nd place winners, I wasn't sure if they beat my hand or not! Luck was with me, and my hand won -- no trophy this time, but $60! I broke even for the weekend, which was great! There were quite a few "interesting" door prizes... Ursulina won a chapter membership in the Virago Owner's Club, but was bummed she didn't win the free tattoo (not sure if they were serious when they said that was one of the prizes!)! I won an NRA hat (not sure what that has to with motorcycles though!), and now I'm thinking of getting a gun rack for my pickup truck! :) Other door prizes were motorcycle gloves, sunglasses, t-shirts, etc. No trophies that I noticed. The buffet was okay, although I wouldn't recommend that anyone make a trip to Colonial Beach just for that! The waitresses were *very* patient with our noisy group, though. The group split up to ride back home, and Ursulina came along with myself, my neighbor, and one couple on a big Harley. We dodged rain drops on the way back, but made good time. I got back home about 6:30 pm, and took my SO out to dinner with my poker winnings! :) Thanks to NOVAMGR for publishing the info on this ride, and to the Virago Owner's Club for putting together a fun afternoon! Not sure if I'll participate next year, but definitely had a good time. Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 PS - We saw our ex-dc-cycles listmember Squeakers there, but we opted not to go up and introduce ourselves! She was wearing her "helmet" with the horns on it, though! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:03:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03814; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00504; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10678 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 ([166.55.240.42]) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EU8001B4SO5ZP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:02:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 01:01:44 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Crashes To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <003901bd9279$022ddc60$2af037a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 I have the same standing. If you need help anywhere near Baltimore, Laurel, Annapolis, area you can call me anytime. (410) 799-5888 I have a pickup and tie downs. ===================== Jon Schumer 92 FZR 600 dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ# 11193913 ===================== -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'dc' Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Crashes >Best wishes for all the unfortunate victims. > >Just wanted to put out a notw one more time: > >CALL ME if you have a problem somewhere in the area and need a bike lift >back to wherever. I'll do anything within my means to help out, free of >charge (other than you have to listen to me jabber all the way home :)). I >figure I may need the help someday, so what goes around comes around. > >My home number is (703) 356-4279, and work is (202) 366-0067. Anytime day >or night. > >I believe Glenn has a similar standing offer, so write down his number too, >and stick a note inside your jacket pocet, inside your tool kit, wherever, >as long as you have it out and about with you on the bike. I hate hearing >of people having crashes, then getting even more pain when the towing bill >comes in. > >Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:17:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04004; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00769; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11047 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA25110; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA07095; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608171703.ZGEQ20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608171703.ZGEQ20960@[166.41.242.141]> Anita Lauro posted: >Well, I know everyone just can't wait to hear about my poker run filled >weekend! :) > >Saturday - Herndon Police Poker Run > >Only myself and one other rider showed up at the Wendy's in Chantilly to >meet up with Alan Wheat from NOVAMGR. I'm not sure if I ever got the other > I reluctantly volunteered to be the leader. >"Reluctantly" only because I know I tend to ride on the slow side, >especially on bumpy twisty backroads. I was pleasantly surprised to find >out that the roads on the route were *excellent* -- 55 mph speed limits on >most, no traffic, good pavement, good visibility, plenty of 25 mph turns, >etc... I was able to keep up a brisk pace and and also enjoy the scenery >(horse farms, country estates, rolling hills). It was also fun to follow >the route sheet, not knowing where we would wind up. You never forget your first time......:) >When we reached the first stop there was a bonus for the guys -- Hooter's >had chosen that gas station for a stop on their poker run as well. It was >causing a bit of confusion (& drooling), but we were able to get our 2nd >card and head on to the next check point. At one point we slowed down >through a small town, and large group of cruisers caught up with us. After >being a "reluctant leader" I looked in my mirrors to see at least 25-30 >bikes following me.. talk about pressure! :) ...Indeed! >There was some yummy burgers and hotdogs courtesy of Lonestar >Steakhouse, although the food was a little on the well-done side. At 3:00 >pm they started drawing for the door prizes -- everything from Fraternal >Order of Police polo shirts to a free rental car for a weekend. >Unfortunately, no one in our little group won anything... but we had a >great time nonetheless. I'm definitely going to participate next year! >And, I'm going to spend some time with a map to figure out the best way to >hit those roads again. I think I might check this one out as well. PARR simply hands over a ride sheet. You guys got breakfast and a sort of lunch provided! Good write up Anita. Waiting for #2 Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:18:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04014; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00782; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11060 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA23943 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reprise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > BTW, had a guy in a pickup truck assist my buddy Bill and I yesterday while > riding out towards Leesburg on route 7. Some numbnuts cut in between us and > then nearly clipped the back of my bike. The guy in the pickup saw what > happened jumped in front of this guys and slammed on his brakes. I gave him > a wave of thank you as we went by. If I happen to see somebody 'harrassing' a bike while I'm in my car I'll go so far as to run them off the road (off the road is what my truck is for anyway...). If a red Dodge Raider slips in behind you while another car is tailgaiting don't be suprised if it's me... Sure, sure, road rage, guns, and all that. I just get pissed when I see someone screwing with a bike. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:20:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04031; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00818; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11104 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA26391; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:19:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA01973; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:19:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608171952.ZGQI20960@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:19:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'Mersch, Tom'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Reprise X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608171952.ZGQI20960@[166.41.242.141]> BTW, had a guy in a pickup truck assist my buddy Bill and I yesterday while riding out towards Leesburg on route 7. Some numbnuts cut in between us and then nearly clipped the back of my bike. The guy in the pickup saw what happened jumped in front of this guys and slammed on his brakes. I gave him a wave of thank you as we went by. Can you say, "Combat Touring"? Now you just need the boots. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:41:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04336; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01301; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11723 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yj5ud-0000TG-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:40:51 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D74674D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Cc: "'Mersch, Tom'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Reprise Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:40:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain That's awesome. Remember last week or the week before when we had that tremendous downpour with hail & everything? Tom & I saw a guy out there in that (on 66) on a sportbike. I was very happy I chose to leave my bike at home that night. We pulled up behind a ways him & stayed behind him so no one would rear-end him. His lights were barely visible in the downpour & I don't think I would'nt have been able to live with myself if I had to watch him get squished. I'm glad we were able to help him out just a bit... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 08, 1998 1:14 PM > To: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN > Cc: 'Mersch, Tom'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Reprise > > > > BTW, had a guy in a pickup truck assist my buddy Bill and I yesterday > while > riding out towards Leesburg on route 7. Some numbnuts cut in between > us and > then nearly clipped the back of my bike. The guy in the pickup saw > what > happened jumped in front of this guys and slammed on his brakes. I > gave him > a wave of thank you as we went by. > > > Can you say, "Combat Touring"? Now you just need the boots. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:53:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04555; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01474; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12097 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A4C0265C012E; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:52:03 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980608132053.01090100@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:20:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Capitol 1000 results In-Reply-To: <199806081339.JAA05348@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:39 AM 6/8/98 -0400, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >I'm back from the Capitol 1000. Fortunately everyone seemed to have made >it in one piece. ... >I was very happy to be in 7th place. My ride was 1235.6 miles (according >to the GPS). My average riding speed was 59.1 mph. I made it to the >finish checkpoint with about 10 minutes to spare before my 24 hours were >up. (Start getting a penalty of 2 pts per minute after 24 hrs) > >Fourth place (with a prize of a bottle of champaigne) went to Leon >Begeman. CONGRATULATIONS! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 13:56:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04641; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01504; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12165 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081755.NAA12165@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXR60; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:00:41 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:55:53 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] Cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <19980608171703.ZGEQ20960@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:09 PM 6/8/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > I think I might check this one out as well. PARR simply hands > over a ride sheet. You guys got breakfast and a sort of lunch > provided! We also got a soda, coleslaw, and baked beans with our burgers and dogs so it was a pretty decent lunch. Well-done is my preference anyway! :) > Good write up Anita. Waiting for #2 Thanks for the complement, Todd! I always enjoy reading your ride reports... you're the master! :) Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 14:11:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04917; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01695; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12566 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA16406; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA23158; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:10:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.111.79]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608181027.SMCW7401@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:10:27 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "HSTA" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Bionic Tank bag problems Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:10:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bd9308$b026dbc0$4f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Thanks to everyone who sent answers and suggestions to my previous post. It may be that I have some reversed wires. I have two John Deere plugs (female) on the bike and the terminals are not marked. There is a terminal in the center and one on the side 90 degrees to the other. Upon inspection, I decided that the center plug was the hot (red/positive) terminal and the other was the ground. Same thing for the male plugs - I wired the hot to the center plug and the ground to the other. Not true?? TIA LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 14:22:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05056; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01888; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12921 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:22:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLGVa05135 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d3cb088.357c2bb8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:21:42 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-06-05 14:15:38 EDT, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX writes: << My frustration didn't necessarily stem from price(s). It's the attitude of the shop.>> I'm not that fond of Coleman's either but have to relate a recent experience. I bought a second helmet lock from the junkyard and needed a key cut. The guy at the parts counter at Coleman said it shouldn't be a problem but to ask in the service department. The service department was useless though. Apparently the manager was out and nobody else had the ability to cut a key. The kid wanted me to leave the lock and pick it up in a couple of days. I thought this was ridiculous since if I had to come back anyway I might as well take the lock with me. On my way out I told the guy I had spoken to at the parts counter what happened in the service department. He said he had forgotten that the service manager was out that day. He then offered try cutting the key himself. He said he had a little experience cutting keys. He also said it would take a while. When I asked about the cost he said $15. I was shocked but he said he would, "See what he could do about it." Anyhow, I waited around for a while. It probably took him 10 or 20 minutes to cut the key. The key worked fine and I asked him how much I owed. He said not to worry about it. In this case the service department let me down but the guy at the parts counter really picked up the slack to keep me happy. I know some of you have had bad experiences at Coleman but in this instance at least I was well served and wanted to give credit where due. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 14:29:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05182; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02160; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13119 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 272; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:29:25 -0400 Message-ID: <357C2D64.AD90761B@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:28:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] References: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> <199806081600.MAA08591@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > Well, I know everyone just can't wait to hear about my poker run filled > weekend! :) > > Saturday - Herndon Police Poker Run I went to this last year, and had a great time. The roads were simply put - wonderful. Nice twisties, great scenery, etc. etc. Route sheets were well planned. I wanted to do it again this year, but kid duty beckoned (well, that and getting some sleep from plotting out Leon's course the night before :) > At about 10:30 am we decided to strike out on our own. Since I was the > only one with a tank bag I reluctantly volunteered to be the leader. Duct tape works in a pinch, too. But then again, it always does... > "Reluctantly" only because I know I tend to ride on the slow side, > especially on bumpy twisty backroads. I was pleasantly surprised to find > out that the roads on the route were *excellent* -- 55 mph speed limits on > most, no traffic, good pavement, good visibility, plenty of 25 mph turns, > etc... I was able to keep up a brisk pace and and also enjoy the scenery toldyaso, toldyaso! :) Glad they haven't slacked off from last year. > And, I'm going to spend some time with a map to figure out > the best way to hit those roads again. Yeah, I've been meaning to run last year's route again sometime. :-) Glad you had a good time! Ride Safe! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 14:36:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05325; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02375; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13405 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29031 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:37:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03430 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081836.OAA03430@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:36:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Anita Lauro wrote: > > > > Well, I know everyone just can't wait to hear about my poker run filled > > weekend! :) > > > > Saturday - Herndon Police Poker Run > > I went to this last year, and had a great time. > The roads were simply put - wonderful. Nice twisties, > great scenery, etc. etc. Route sheets were well planned. > I wanted to do it again this year, but kid duty beckoned > (well, that and getting some sleep from plotting out Leon's > course the night before :) I did the ride last year too. (This was before I actually met Dale). The roads were nice. But the best part was winning a door prize of two tickets to see DC United. I gave them to two of my friends who just got engaged and were both soccer nuts. I'll see a game some other time. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 14:43:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05460; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02507; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13671 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15496; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:43:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports In-Reply-To: <4d3cb088.357c2bb8@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Heh. Before you get a key cut at Coleman Falls Church, you should try Allied Lock & Key, one block up Hillwood on the right. They do motorcycle keys, and while they might not have every exotic key blank that Japan ever invented, it's definitely worth a shot. They're much less expensive. -ph ... > I'm not that fond of Coleman's either but have to relate a recent experience. > I bought a second helmet lock from the junkyard and needed a key cut. [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 15:03:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05905; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02796; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14842 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:02:56 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJDQa29509; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <422948dd.357c3525@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:01:55 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Balt-cycles@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Real Person's View of the TL1000R Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Well, first, let me say this, I set my alarm for 6:30 this morning thinking I would hit the snooze button a couple of times till I went to go pick up my bike, but after it went off the first time, I was so excited, I couldnt go back to sleep. It was a long 3.5 hours till 10am. Anyway, at about 11am, I got on the road. First stop: My house, To unload all the goodies that I got; New cover, disc-lock, and kryptonite chain. Also I dropped of the rear seat as the seat cowl takes its place on solo runs. After a few minutes got back on, and headed towards annapolis to show some friends who wanted to see it. Found out that on those brand new tires, going across the severn river bridge was a little sketchy. At first I just thought the bike didnt like wind, but I think its just the new tires. After Annapolis, I had to go back up to Glen Burnie to pick up some stuff from work. I havent seen a trunk this big since a lincoln towncar. I fit my cordless drill, roll of electrical tape, skewdriver, wire strippers, check book, wallet, keys, and my hat. Wow. On the way back, I cruised down ritchie hwy, I got passed the Earliegh Heights Fire Dept, went down the hill, and felt something hitting my butt. Uh oh, the rear seat cowl is loose *@#$(@*#!!!!! (I Thought) then 'SWOOP!!" it was gone. Not even 4 hours and 40 miles into it. I pulled over, cussed up a storm, then starting walking back to pick up what I was sure was a shattered mess. Well, luckily it wasnt. I got my hat out of the road, then got the cowl. scratched to hell though. So, I put it back on as best I could, it was missing the rear tab that secured it. Luckily, the dealership was 3 miles up on the right, so I stopped in, and they are getting me a new one from suzuki under warranty. Anyway, the bike is great, the breaks are alot tighter than my old cbr, and the tires and engine are still breaking in, other than that I have no complaints. Ive never had this many people try to tell me how nice my bike is at stop lights. Its amazing. Anyway, Im off through thursday, so if anyone wants to go for a ride, let me know. Sean G. Petr '98 TL1000R "Ride Free!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 15:04:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05926; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02806; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil.121.152.in-addr.arpa [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14902 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10669 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B107D072@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Key cutting Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:04:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of keys..... I'm looking at worst case scenario for the moment. I'm still in the process of scouring the house, but so far I have had no luck finding where I placed the key to my race bike at within our house. Kind of ironic that I was looking for it too go make a few spares...just in case... So my question is this: I don't have the original "key code" that comes when you purchase new, and I don't have a spare to make a new one from. Can the dealer or a locksmith go off of VIN number or something else to make a new one from??? I really don't want to have to cannibalize the ignition, but I'll do what's necessary since it's just a racebike...my biggest need for the key would be the gas cap...I really didn't wnat to have to hash that either. Any ideas??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 15:40:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06518; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03836; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01185 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:40:16 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8525661D.006ADB7F ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:27:10 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: cfagan@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525661D.0069D05E.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:27:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Key cutting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII You will probably have to remove the whole cylinder and take it to a locksmith. Without the original key code, the only way they can make a key is to do what they call "making an impression". What this means is; they take a blank key and insert it into the cylinder and turn the key just enough for the lock wafer to make an impression on the surface of the key. They then use a file to file away the area that the wafer made an impression in. They keep doing this until no more impressions are made. And when they have done this for all positions (usually 5 or 6) the key is supposed to work in the lock. Sometimes they get it perfect and the key will work fine. Other times it's less than perfect and the key will only open the lock when you jiggle it. In either case, once the key has been filed to completion, the locksmith will usually be able to examine the key and tell which cuts are supposed to be made. He can then make you the right key with a key cutting tool. Good luck Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 16:01:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06863; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05117; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.itmassociates.com (known [207.154.22.7] [207.154.22.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01962 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm04.itmassociates.com ([207.154.22.4]) by mail.itmassociates.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 8525661D.006DAD5A; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:57:58 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980608200012.00979ee0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: us004937@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:00:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: Re: Key cutting Yeah, Coleman told me it cost $45 to go off of the VIN. Other than that I was unable to find any other leads for less money. Good Luck Rob Space 86 VF500 At 03:04 PM 6/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >Speaking of keys..... >I'm looking at worst case scenario for the moment. I'm still in the process >of scouring the house, but so far I have had no luck finding where I placed >the key to my race bike at within our house. Kind of ironic that I was >looking for it too go make a few spares...just in case... > >So my question is this: >I don't have the original "key code" that comes when you purchase new, and I >don't have a spare to make a new one from. Can the dealer or a locksmith go >off of VIN number or something else to make a new one from??? I really >don't want to have to cannibalize the ignition, but I'll do what's necessary >since it's just a racebike...my biggest need for the key would be the gas >cap...I really didn't wnat to have to hash that either. Any ideas??? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 16:06:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06937; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05275; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02104 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806082006.QAA02104@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXSBK; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:11:19 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:06:31 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] Cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <357C2D64.AD90761B@tidalwave.net> References: <9806051341.AA53296@172.17.2.24> <199806081600.MAA08591@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:28 PM 6/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >> And, I'm going to spend some time with a map to figure out >> the best way to hit those roads again. > >Yeah, I've been meaning to run last year's route again sometime. >:-) I'd love to tag along, or at least get a copy of the ride sheets... the folks that planned the route for Saturday definitely knew some great roads! :) And, almost all of them were new to me, although we did cross some familiar roads (like Snickersville Turnpike). Heck, I'm tempted to take off an afternoon from work this week to run the route again... it was only about 120 miles or so. Hmmm... I think I feel the flu coming on.... :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 16:09:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06960; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05369; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02200 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806082009.QAA02200@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from TEST ([199.4.241.84]) by dlt9.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MFKTXSBT; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:13:46 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:08:57 -0400 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Poker Run Weekend [Part I] (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199806081836.OAA03430@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:36 PM 6/8/98 -0400, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >I did the ride last year too. (This was before I actually met Dale). >The roads were nice. But the best part was winning a door prize of >two tickets to see DC United. I gave them to two of my friends who >just got engaged and were both soccer nuts. I'll see a game some other >time. I think they gave away soccer tickets this year also. I was starting to think it was a conspiracy as all the door prize ticket numbers near mine were called. Heck, even the guy who was in front of me won something! Oh well, at least my luck improved on Sunday! :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 16:18:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07081; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05998; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (known orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02425 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0yj8NE-0006tWC; Mon, 8 Jun 98 13:18 PDT Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0yj8Me-000GFXC; Mon, 8 Jun 98 13:17 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.12) id ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:18 PDT Message-ID: <357C477C.A27356FC@amdahl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:20:12 -0400 From: Carl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... References: <199806081256.AA15551@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AE14800071A2B4B6D4277728" --------------AE14800071A2B4B6D4277728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! Carl aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > of Shadow are your referring to? > > cheers, > -aki > --------------AE14800071A2B4B6D4277728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time.
As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!!
Carl

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote:

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it?

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style
of Shadow are your referring to?

cheers,
-aki
 

  --------------AE14800071A2B4B6D4277728-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 16:52:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07500; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06621; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03200 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21392 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357C798B.13D7@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:53:47 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Update on Chuck Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys and Gals, I talked to Chuck's girlfriend today and here's the lowdown. He didn't go into surgery until midnight last night and was in ICU when I called this afternoon. Bone graft and one plate in knee since it was pretty much smashed; two plates in ankle, major cast for three months (!) She said he's in good spirits still (gotta be the morphine!) I'm gonna go see him tomorrow at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda. BTW, Can anyone provide me with the precise coordinates of the place his bike (and Zbig's) was taken to in Leesburg? TIA, JK -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 17:04:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07681; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06825; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known [206.135.160.194] [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03462 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:58:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:02:36 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: cwb10@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Alright, I'm going to have to correct you on a few things here. Honda's Shadows first came out in the early 80s, several years BEFORE popular culture decided H-Ds were "cool" in the mid-80s. No, not everyone wanted an H-D in the early 80s. (Remember when H-D almost went out of business!) Also, you could regularly find running mid-70s H-D examples in the classifieds for $2,500.00. Really, Harley-Davidson's were absolute junk in the late 70s and early 80s while under AMF ownership, and no one save the most die hard wanted to own one of those unreliable bags of bolts. The Shadow series was a welcome Japanese response. Imagine that: a Japanese cruiser style bike that would actually make it from point A to point B without breaking down and leaving you stranded. Harley-Davidsons just couldn't do that in the early 80s. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 17:04:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07697; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06840; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03485 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA29048; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:04:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA31165; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980608210406.TOGA7401@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:04:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Carl CC: balt-cycles , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980608210406.TOGA7401@[166.41.242.141]> Wait, wait wait. Didn't Harley and Willy G. just go with what was contemporary raked out chop style motorcycles? Isn't a Harley Davidson a reflection of an American Icon, the chopper? WW2 bikes aside, most Harley Davidson motorcycles appeal to what is considered American Classic. The Japanese have just copied a copy, and in some cases are better at marketing it. I'm not sure what you mean by the statement, "The Sportster is the original". Original what? Copy? The Daimler(sp) was the original. As for the Shadow looking like a Sportster and vice-verse, the similarities end with 2-wheels and a v-motor. As for the statement about the Japanese flooding the market, it just ain't so. I don't have exact statistics, but I'd say that more than 98% of the bikes imported to the country get sold for close to MSR. Harley holds back production because, thankfully, they've finally got some quality control and in fact there is more human attention to detail. The reason they hold their value is hype! If I got suckered into spending close to $18k for a motorcycle, you'd better believe I'd do anything to convince you that's what it's worth when I go to sell it. But then again, until I'm ridiculously rich, I won't be spending that kind of money on ANY vehicle. Todd Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! Carl aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > of Shadow are your referring to? > > cheers, > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 17:20:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07915; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07379; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.cmr.gov (known gw1.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03908 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw1.cmr.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04319 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco(140.162.3.172) by gw1.cmr.gov via smap (4.1) id xma004312; Mon, 8 Jun 98 17:22:28 -0400 Received: from [140.162.3.206] (chelseaIX.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.206]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18687 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:19:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <357C798B.13D7@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:24:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Update on Chuck >Bone graft and one plate in knee since it was pretty much smashed; two >plates in ankle, major cast for three months (!) She said he's in good >spirits still (gotta be the morphine!) Ouch ouch ouch... >I'm gonna go see him tomorrow at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda. give him our regards! >BTW, Can anyone provide me with the precise coordinates of the place his >bike (and Zbig's) was taken to in Leesburg? Talked to Zbig today... his bike made it to a shop someplace. Is apparently totaled. The Givi rack, which was broken off, was connected to the frame, that caused enough damage so that the frame will have to be replaced. Can't remember if he said the frame was broken or bent, however. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 17:52:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08282; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08122; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04571 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.195]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980608215123.MEWA14420@rude> for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:51:23 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980608174925.006a8dd4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:49:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: evel knievel online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, y'all Evel Knievel will be answering questions tonite at www.tripod.com Sorry, I didn't catch the time. WooHoo! I can't wait! :-P Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 17:53:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08301; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08145; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04640 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA6377 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:45:43 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:50:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:53:22 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: cwb10@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Friends, If you look at the first Sportster (1957) and today's, you will find more stylistic similarities than differences. The Sportster was never a "chopper" style bike; it was originally a performance bike meant to compete with Triumphs. It even shifted on the right to entice the Brit-biker. Today, now that it can no longer lay claim to being a hot rod, it's been re-positioned in our minds as a cruiser. The Shadow is, was, and always will be a stylistic attempt to offer what a Harley does. If that's copying, then lets suck it up and admit it. Of course the Honda's styling was never quite successful, so it changed every 2-3 years. The current "ACE" motif is probably the best effort. But guess what? It's the one that looks most like a Harley (i.e, Heritage Softail). It's hard for me to believe that anyone would be trying to decide between a Sportster and a Shadow. If you have $5000 and you want a Harley, buy a Sportster. If you don't like Harleys, but want a cruiser, buy a Shadow (or a Vulcan, or a Virago, etc.). Just don't pretend it's a Harley. And don't try to sell it for $5000 in five years. Joe Nagy Goochland Co, VA 2 old Harleys, 2 less-old Japanese sportbikes >>> Todd Peer - 6/8/98 5:00 PM >>> Wait, wait wait. Didn't Harley and Willy G. just go with what was contemporary raked out chop style motorcycles? Isn't a Harley Davidson a reflection of an American Icon, the chopper? WW2 bikes aside, most Harley Davidson motorcycles appeal to what is considered American Classic. The Japanese have just copied a copy, and in some cases are better at marketing it. I'm not sure what you mean by the statement, "The Sportster is the original". Original what? Copy? The Daimler(sp) was the original. As for the Shadow looking like a Sportster and vice-verse, the similarities end with 2-wheels and a v-motor. As for the statement about the Japanese flooding the market, it just ain't so. I don't have exact statistics, but I'd say that more than 98% of the bikes imported to the country get sold for close to MSR. Harley holds back production because, thankfully, they've finally got some quality control and in fact there is more human attention to detail. The reason they hold their value is hype! If I got suckered into spending close to $18k for a motorcycle, you'd better believe I'd do anything to convince you that's what it's worth when I go to sell it. But then again, until I'm ridiculously rich, I won't be spending that kind of money on ANY vehicle. Todd Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! Carl aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow > has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the > first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? > > Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between > the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but > not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style > of Shadow are your referring to? > > cheers, > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:09:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08683; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08611; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05085 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00784; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806082143.RAA00784@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Update on Chuck To: jckozyn@XXXXXX (John C. Kozyn) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357C798B.13D7@mnsinc.com> from "John C. Kozyn" at Jun 8, 98 04:53:47 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Hey DC Guys and Gals, > > I talked to Chuck's girlfriend today and here's the lowdown. He didn't > go into surgery until midnight last night and was in ICU when I called > this afternoon. > > Bone graft and one plate in knee since it was pretty much smashed; two > plates in ankle, major cast for three months (!) She said he's in good > spirits still (gotta be the morphine!) > > I'm gonna go see him tomorrow at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda. > wish him fast recovery. > BTW, Can anyone provide me with the precise coordinates of the place his > bike (and Zbig's) was taken to in Leesburg? > leesburg motosports, 777-1652; Catoction rd, 400 yards behind Dulles Jeep. Who paid for the towing ???? We will need to add it to insurance bills. I forgot that i have HCRC - as a new bike. Looks like my xx might be total as well - plastic is directly bolted to frame; this piece is broken away, so frame replacement is on the menu.... 4350 miles before total. It sucks. > TIA, > > JK _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:10:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08742; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08793; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05119 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client196-111-30.bellatlantic.net [151.196.111.30]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id SAA13781; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357C6006.7462C709@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:04:55 -0400 From: Andrew Lewis Reply-To: pellaz@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl CC: balt-cycles , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... References: <199806081256.AA15551@egate2.citicorp.com> <357C477C.A27356FC@amdahl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1B66783A89943C0C5FBEF22E" --------------1B66783A89943C0C5FBEF22E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks. I guess this is a delurk....I've been on the list for a few days now.... I ride a 1994 Shadow 600 (VT600CDR), and it's styling is a lot more along the lines of a Softtail than a Sportster....I do love my Shadow though....just passed 16,000 miles last week.... Andrew Lewis pellaz@XXXXXX shadow_ridr@XXXXXX ICQ# 12858975 Carl wrote: > Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not > getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be > technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there > are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different > engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda > developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford > one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D > only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the > bikes hold their value or increase in value over time. > As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a > Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone > that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and > the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!! > Carl > > aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > >> uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow >> has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ >> the >> first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it? >> >> Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's >> between >> the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, >> but >> not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which >> style >> of Shadow are your referring to? >> >> cheers, >> -aki >> > > --------------1B66783A89943C0C5FBEF22E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks.  I guess this is a delurk....I've been on the list for a few days now....

I ride a 1994 Shadow 600 (VT600CDR), and it's styling is a lot more along the lines of a Softtail than a Sportster....I do love my Shadow though....just passed 16,000 miles last week....

Andrew Lewis
pellaz@XXXXXX
shadow_ridr@XXXXXX
ICQ# 12858975

Carl wrote:

 Ok, I guess I will have to correct you since you are obviously not getting this. The Sportster is the original, if you want to be technical it was the 1000 that was around before the Shadow. Yes there are many variations of the Shadow mostly the same bike with different engines. This bike IS and ALWAYS will be a H-D look alike. Honda developed this bike because not everyone that wanted a H-D can afford one or can get one. This is because unlike the Jap manufacturers H-D only makes so many bikes. That way they don't flood the market and the bikes hold their value or increase in value over time.
As far as comparing the Sportster to the Shadow you are obviously a Honda biggot so I won't even try to explain but I think that anyone that looks at the two bikes side by side can see the similarities and the differences. If you don't like the H-D please don't buy one!!!
Carl

aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote:

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but the 883 came LONG after the Shadow
has been out..the Shadow was out in the early 80's and I _believe_ the
first 883's started showing up in the mid to late 80's wasn't it?

Also I'm not sure how you can compare the styles of the 883's between
the Shadows...granted, there's several different types of Shadows, but
not a single one, IMHO, even remotely looks like an 883....which style
of Shadow are your referring to?

cheers,
-aki
 

 
  --------------1B66783A89943C0C5FBEF22E-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:14:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08823; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09120; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05290 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p42dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.74]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06546 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:14:27 -0400 Message-ID: <357C62BC.19F0B112@smart.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:16:30 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Update on Chuck References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > Talked to Zbig today... his bike made it to a shop someplace. Is > apparently totaled. The Givi rack, which was broken off, was connected > to the frame, that caused enough damage so that the frame will have to be > replaced. Can't remember if he said the frame was broken or bent, however. > Wow. Those of us who saw the bike figured it would be repairable (and even if it is totalled by the insurance company, they'll still repair it and resell it). The frame looked a little tweaked, but being brand-new, was probably worth enough to repair. Zbig is probably happy if it is totalled.....always nice to get a new bike as opposed to a repaired bike. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:27:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08993; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10079; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05662 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p42dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.74]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06939; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:27:21 -0400 Message-ID: <357C65C4.DB508BE5@smart.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:29:24 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Update on Chuck References: <199806082143.RAA00784@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > Looks like my xx might be total as well - plastic is directly bolted > to frame; this piece is broken away, so frame replacement is on the > menu.... > > 4350 miles before total. It sucks. You really upset about the total? I would think you'd be happy to get new bike as opposed to a fixer. Just like cages, when bikes are repaired they're never quite the same. It's hard to completely trust a repair job. Anybody receive a citation from the police for the accident? Insurance rates to increase perhaps. Now _that_ sucks. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:42:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09120; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10988; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05919 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07441; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.64] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00232 for ; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:41:52 -0400 Message-ID: <003201bd932e$792839e0$4073c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Update on Chuck Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:40:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > >> BTW, Can anyone provide me with the precise coordinates of the place his >> bike (and Zbig's) was taken to in Leesburg? >> > >leesburg motosports, 777-1652; Catoction rd, 400 yards behind Dulles >Jeep. Craig, Tom T. & I live in Leesburg so if anybody needs a hand, just let me know. > > >Who paid for the towing ???? We will need to add it to insurance >bills. I forgot that i have HCRC - as a new bike. I think the dealer paid or wrote a purchase order for the towing. Craig, Tom T., Tom G. & myself followed the tow truck back to Leesburg & helped unload the bikes. > >Looks like my xx might be total as well - plastic is directly bolted >to frame; this piece is broken away, so frame replacement is on the >menu.... > >4350 miles before total. It sucks. Sorry to hear about that Z. Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 18:47:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09158; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11466; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06053 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07501; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.64] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00257 for ; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:48:01 -0400 Message-ID: <004701bd932f$54ab4b60$4073c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Reprise Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:46:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > >I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route >modifications as desired ;-) > >Tom M. > Craig, Tom T. & I did the planned ride on Sunday. What a blast! Approx. 175 miles. Rode back thru the scene of the incident, easy to see how you could get in trouble quickly. I'd be up for a replay. Craig? Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 19:43:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09665; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13592; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06766 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-27.dial.nova.org (pm2-27.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.251]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA01162 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:42:56 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) Cool Industry Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:43:46 GMT Message-ID: <358076fa.31883126@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This message came through the Hawk list and I thought it was interesting enough to forward on... Kirk On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:59:25 -0000, Les Bean wrote: >One of my customers was killed, in the last week, in motorcycle crash = on >public roads. Said customer had placed an order through our shop for a >Vanson suit. After his death, his suit order was cancelled, all money >refunded. > >In talking with Vanson, the family must have mentioned in passing that >someone--not sure whether it was family or the deceased, himself--wanted >the deceased buried in a leather race suit. > >Vanson next-day-aired a free suit to the family. > >This wasn't SPAM. Just me thinking it was cool for the industry to >remember the people it served. > >Robin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 19:43:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09672; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13618; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06785 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00891; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806082345.TAA00891@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Update on Chuck To: brown@XXXXXX (Dan Brown) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Dan Brown" at Jun 8, 98 05:24:44 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text 0 > apparently totaled. The Givi rack, which was broken off, was connected > to the frame, that caused enough damage so that the frame will have to be > replaced. Can't remember if he said the frame was broken or bent, however. > Umm.. the fairing mount broke away from frame, making frame replacement a must. Givi bag broke nicely, saving camera and pager; givi mount floor broke in half. Looks like bike landed on Givi... > > -- > Resist or Serve > > > i will try to make a few pictures.. :-) _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 19:51:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09787; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13717; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06895 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA00916; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806082352.TAA00916@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Update on Chuck To: tgimer@XXXXXX (Thomas H. Gimer) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <357C65C4.DB508BE5@smart.net> from "Thomas H. Gimer" at Jun 8, 98 06:29:24 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Looks like my xx might be total as well - plastic is directly bolted > > to frame; this piece is broken away, so frame replacement is on the > > menu.... > > > > 4350 miles before total. It sucks. > > You really upset about the total? I would think you'd be happy to get new not so much. > bike as opposed to a fixer. Just like cages, when bikes are repaired they're > never quite the same. It's hard to completely trust a repair job. > you are quit right. > Anybody receive a citation from the police for the accident? Insurance rates > to increase perhaps. Now _that_ sucks. > no citation. talked to cop, he said - jsut an accident. Happens. > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 20:02:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09895; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13872; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07030 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id TAA26664; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:02:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA14498; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.110.75]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980609000207.UDUT7401@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:02:07 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "HSTA" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Bionic Tank Problems Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002701bd9339$cf54c4e0$4f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Thanks to everyone who tried to help me with my pitiful electrical problems. It all stemmed from my wrongheaded belief that the marked wired of a pair is the ground. DUH! After I switched it around, everything started working as it should. Now I just have to solve the one new and one old electrical problem. Old: the left side flush mount front turn signal is crap. Touch it and things stop working. I'm just going to ignore it until after STAR. Then maybe order a new one. New: My MD Wright trunk kit stopped working after I got everything else operational. At least it failed with the seat off so I can see in there to try and fix it after the bike comes back from the shop for a valve adjustment. It's always something (Roseanne Rosannadanna). Thanks again. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 20:46:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10200; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14082; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07644 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08144; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.117]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 353; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:46:06 -0400 Message-ID: <357C3EFF.E4EF5201@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:43:59 +0100 From: jencraig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Norton CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Reprise References: <004701bd932f$54ab4b60$4073c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce Norton wrote: > > > >I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route > >modifications as desired ;-) > > > >Tom M. > > > > Craig, Tom T. & I did the planned ride on Sunday. What a blast! Approx. 175 > miles. Rode back thru the scene of the incident, easy to see how you could > get in trouble quickly. > > I'd be up for a replay. Craig? > yes i am ready wherever the tour may go.........but do i have to lead ???? not that i mind ......espically if we go on the ride we were originally going to do,the one we did sunday.. :~) > Bruce > Leesburg, VA > '98 VFR800 "Tronix" > '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 20:49:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10224; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14096; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07665 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p42dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.74]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11057; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:49:08 -0400 Message-ID: <357C86FD.2392F64B@smart.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:51:10 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Update on Chuck References: <199806082352.TAA00916@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You had asked how long before you can start using your arm, but I lost the message (somewhere between desktop and laptop).... My shoulder did not take long to heal (less than 1.5 months), but would have healed quicker if I didn't insist on using it before it was ready....follow the advice of your doctor for best results ;-D. Has Joanna calmed down any? My girlfriend is fired up as well. She has heard me talk about your riding skills and is now worried that even really good riders like yourself have bad experiences sometimes. Why the hell I did I decide to tell her about Chuck and you anyway? Oh well. zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Looks like my xx might be total as well - plastic is directly bolted > > > to frame; this piece is broken away, so frame replacement is on the > > > menu.... > > > > > > 4350 miles before total. It sucks. > > > > You really upset about the total? I would think you'd be happy to get new > > not so much. > > > bike as opposed to a fixer. Just like cages, when bikes are repaired they're > > never quite the same. It's hard to completely trust a repair job. > > > > you are quit right. > > > Anybody receive a citation from the police for the accident? Insurance rates > > to increase perhaps. Now _that_ sucks. > > > > no citation. talked to cop, he said - jsut an accident. Happens. > At least no ticket was issued. That's good news. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 21:50:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10769; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15256; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08429 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08378; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.106] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA00133 for ; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:50:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003501bd9348$cd9d2c00$6a73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Reprise Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:49:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > yes i am ready wherever the tour may go.........but do i have to lead ???? No, just the maryland part that I don't know. We could switch off & lead different sections. > >not that i mind ......espically if we go on the ride we were originally going >to do,the one we did sunday.. :~) I wouldn't mind the same ride. Would help me to get to know those roads better. Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 22:08:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10908; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15703; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08623 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr49-dialup39.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EU900E9LHWNFM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:07:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:06:50 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Real Person's View of the TL1000R To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <009601bd92c5$28b1de80$274f37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Sean wrote: > Im off through thursday, so if anyone >wants to go for a ride, let me know. Wanta ride Tues. or Thurs. night? I am free after 4pm. I really want to see your bike! Congratulations, I'm soooo jealous. Let me know ===================== Jon Schumer 92 FZR 600 dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ# 11193913 ===================== -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; Balt-cycles@XXXXXX ; LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 7:14 PM Subject: Real Person's View of the TL1000R >Well, first, let me say this, I set my alarm for 6:30 this morning thinking I >would hit the snooze button a couple of times till I went to go pick up my >bike, but after it went off the first time, I was so excited, I couldnt go >back to sleep. It was a long 3.5 hours till 10am. Anyway, at about 11am, I >got on the road. First stop: My house, To unload all the goodies that I got; >New cover, disc-lock, and kryptonite chain. Also I dropped of the rear seat as >the seat cowl takes its place on solo runs. After a few minutes got back on, >and headed towards annapolis to show some friends who wanted to see it. Found >out that on those brand new tires, going across the severn river bridge was a >little sketchy. At first I just thought the bike didnt like wind, but I think >its just the new tires. >After Annapolis, I had to go back up to Glen Burnie to pick up some stuff from >work. I havent seen a trunk this big since a lincoln towncar. I fit my >cordless drill, roll of electrical tape, skewdriver, wire strippers, check >book, wallet, keys, and my hat. Wow. >On the way back, I cruised down ritchie hwy, I got passed the Earliegh Heights >Fire Dept, went down the hill, and felt something hitting my butt. Uh oh, the >rear seat cowl is loose *@#$(@*#!!!!! (I Thought) then 'SWOOP!!" it was gone. >Not even 4 hours and 40 miles into it. I pulled over, cussed up a storm, then >starting walking back to pick up what I was sure was a shattered mess. Well, >luckily it wasnt. I got my hat out of the road, then got the cowl. scratched >to hell though. So, I put it back on as best I could, it was missing the rear >tab that secured it. Luckily, the dealership was 3 miles up on the right, so I >stopped in, and they are getting me a new one from suzuki under warranty. >Anyway, the bike is great, the breaks are alot tighter than my old cbr, and >the tires and engine are still breaking in, other than that I have no >complaints. Ive never had this many people try to tell me how nice my bike is >at stop lights. Its amazing. Anyway, Im off through thursday, so if anyone >wants to go for a ride, let me know. > >Sean G. Petr >'98 TL1000R >"Ride Free!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 22:52:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11469; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17380; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09202 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06858 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357CCDEE.7D5F@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:53:50 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Reprise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: "Bruce Norton" > Subject: Re: Reprise > >I'm with John K. Let's reschedule last Saturday's ride -- route > >modifications as desired ;-) > >Tom M. > Craig, Tom T. & I did the planned ride on Sunday. What a blast! Approx. 175 > miles. Rode back thru the scene of the incident, easy to see how you could > get in trouble quickly. > I'd be up for a replay. Craig? Craig?? Tom Mersch is willing. I am willing. Looks like Bruce is willing too. What say you? Saturday maybe? Maybe Glenn will have batt/reg problems worked out by then. Maybe Todd'll have his new tires scrubbed in a bit too. Looking forward to it. I'm not a superstitious sort so the same road/ride sheet will be fine with me. Later guys, JK -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 23:04:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11577; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18147; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09491 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.226]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980609030412.SMPT14420@rude> for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 03:04:12 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980608230215.00698dc0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:02:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ttfn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, y'all-- Demands of a job hunt, a part time job, impending relocation, etc, require that I spend less time in front of the computer. That, and my ex hasn't forked over the title to the VFR, so it sits in the garage covered, unlicensed. Yeah, I don't want to hear from the folks who told me it was dumb to have my MC in my SO's name. :-p I'll see some of you at the track sometimes, and maybe at the Guggenheim motorcycle exhibit opening soon, and I'll be back on the list when I get my stuff in order. Y'all know where I am if you want me for something. See ya later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 23:13:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11663; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18672; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (known mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09618 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:13:30 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.226]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980609031259.SRIK14420@rude> for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 03:12:59 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980608231102.00698dc0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:11:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: free towing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh, before I go, when you're broken down in Kentucky or Idaho or something and can't wait for Collin or Glenn to come get you, you'll be glad you signed up for AMA's Helping Hands program. You offer your services, whether a trailer, a repair shop in your basement, a spot in your yard to pitch a tent, or just a ride to the nearest shop, free of charge. In exchange, all possible services are offered to you in return. In 3 years, nobody has called me and I've never needed to call, so I have no firsthand experience, but there it is. At least you can reach a friendly person when you're out in the wilderness. 1-800-AMA-JOIN. You must be an AMA member and a registered Helping Hands participant to use Helping Hands. AMA also has a towing service like AAA. And don't get me started on HRCA's towing non-service. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 05:12:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA14673; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA26163; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA14182 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA06258; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:08:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:54:38 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Coleman Posuer Sports To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980605154053.TRFC20960@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > I can't take that fucking pain in my ass ANYMORE! Coleman Powersports, > are you listening?,....FUCK YOU! > I've had it. THAT'S IT! For now on it's mail order, or I'll travel > out to Manassass...goddamnit! Don't feel bad Todd,I just got screwed by Rockville HD/Battley Cycle. First they claimed what killed my bike was a shorted tach,but when I reconnected it,the bike started and ran fine and the tach worked perfectly.Then they said my battery was stone dead and swapped it for a wimpy,$134 stock POS(despite the fact that I turned the key on before Glenn picked it up and all the lights came on strong).They also replaced the heavy duty battery cables I installed with crap stock ones,so I get to experience the thrill of having one snap while going down the highway and losing power.I'm still finding things that they didn't tighten properly.And instead of performing the recall maint on my front brake(the rotor carrier washers were hitting the caliper)they just tightened a bolt and said it should be ok. Needless to say,I'll never recommend their service department to anyone in the future. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 08:13:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15598; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01280; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15917 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A653B0017E; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:10:59 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980609081256.01072b10@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:12:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Update on Chuck In-Reply-To: <199806082352.TAA00916@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <357C65C4.DB508BE5@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:52 PM 6/8/98 -0400, zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >> Anybody receive a citation from the police for the accident? Insurance rates >> to increase perhaps. Now _that_ sucks. >> >no citation. talked to cop, he said - jsut an accident. Happens. That makes it sound like it was inevitable, though I doubt you feel that way. What would you do differently, and how will you ride differently in the future to avoid such an incident? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 08:51:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15883; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01694; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16531 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic130.cais.com [207.226.56.130]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id IAA11227 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980609085124.006b1330@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:51:24 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Update on Chuck In-Reply-To: <357C798B.13D7@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:53 PM 6/8/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hey DC Guys and Gals, > >I talked to Chuck's girlfriend today and here's the lowdown. He didn't >go into surgery until midnight last night and was in ICU when I called >this afternoon. > >Bone graft and one plate in knee since it was pretty much smashed; two >plates in ankle, major cast for three months (!) She said he's in good >spirits still (gotta be the morphine!) Oww, Wish him a speedy recovery > >I'm gonna go see him tomorrow at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda. > >BTW, Can anyone provide me with the precise coordinates of the place his >bike (and Zbig's) was taken to in Leesburg? > Sorry to hear about the blackbird Zbig, She was sweet. Mike B. >TIA, > >JK >-- >John Kozyn >"Nihil humani a me alienum puto" > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 09:02:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15982; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02693; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16841 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (a2p13dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.45]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25946; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <357D32CE.F9170AB1@smart.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 09:04:15 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Update on Chuck References: <3.0.1.32.19980609085124.006b1330@mail.dc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's up with your bike, Mike? I haven't seen any status reports since we got back from TN. Mike wrote: > Sorry to hear about the blackbird Zbig, She was sweet. > > Mike B. > -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 09:15:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16118; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03116; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17043 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Tue Jun 9 07:55 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA22602 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:14:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD9387.05EA4870@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:14:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Do you own an older MC? Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:14:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found the following web page where you may order used micro-fiche for your Japanese MC. (Useful for finding part numbers) http://www.motocom.com/fiche/index.html John Carver 703 713 7458 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 9 09:17:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16165; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03154; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u3.farm.idt.net (known u3.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17099 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kosmas19@localhost) by u3.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16767; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kosmas Sender: kosmas19@XXXXXX To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sportsters and thier shadows was Re: Friend looking for a Shadow... -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I second all the comments about the crap that was labeled AMF HD but there were some unique original ideas that came out too. The XLCR1000 a sporty looking twin. Very poorly executed but Buel, Suz. TL1000 and others could be followers. Of course there were the Ducatis earlier. The Shadow came before the sportster 883? Yes the 883 came late but is displacement what we are talking about? Before the Sportster was called the sportster it was called the XLCH and that is back when Honda was introducing the Dream :) Weren't early sportsters and XLCH around 900cc? And what specific style does the Shadow have? Because as I remember there have been several styles for each displacement and model year which could hardly be characterized as even a category of bikes. I think Honda makes very reliable, practical, EXTREMELY well supported motorcycles but they have rarely added anything to design/style. Engineering yes, style only by mistake. Exceptions IMHO the Dream/CA line still in production today CA50-100 The CB750, the CB