From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 1 02:25:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA11467; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02789; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA03027; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime3.prodigy.com (mime3.prodigy.com [192.168.253.27]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA81924 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:25:32 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime3.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id CAA143788 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:21:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199706010621.CAA143788@mime3.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: CDJV17A@XXXXXX (MR MIKE MUTH) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:21:22, -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII ---> That was me. I sent to Fred, but never got a reply. The MCN --->article that came out that 'changed the world' for motorcyclists --->was dated Feb-1994. So I guess its about time to do it again, --->what with all the hoopla goin on about the damnage that will surely --->happen if we continue to save our money. ---> --->Ok, I am copying MCN (editor) here to once again try to get them --->to ring in. We need another 'consumer' report. Not something from --->Spectro, et al.. I encourage all subscribers to MCN to do the --->same. Not a subscriber?...consider it. It is a good rag, and --->almost every issue has something you want to read. ---> --->BTW, I just changed mine again (Mobile 1 15w-50) last nite. Seems --->OK to me..... ---> --->Until later, --->Todd ---> '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' I too was a big fan of Mobile one in my Sporty until this last change...and I use synthetics in everything I own...Dodge Caravan...Mobil 1, 84 Dodge Ram....Mobil 1....Wellcraft boat...Amsoil Marine synthetic.....lawn mower...well at least a synthetic blend. Anyhow, two MC publications in the last month have come out against using automotive oil. The first article in RIDER was a nice advertisement for Spectro and touched on why, but didn't explain it. Still holding the MCN article from 94, I thought to stick with Mobile 1 in the Sporty...then Motorcycle Cruiser shows up...article by Art Friedman, whom I remember as being around a while and very respected, nails the reason. Seems the new SJ rating does away with the zinc and phosphorus content in the oil...something Art says is really needed in the extreme pressure additive side for motorcycles...seems catalytic converters in cars don't like zinc and there is come requirement for a converter to be able to deliver 100,000 miles without failing. I write Mobil and they confirm they're sending Mobil 1 out with the new SJ rating. Now they've raised my interest....however, I still want to hear from some Chemical Engineers....like at Mobil, not mechanics. So I fire off a note to Lee Parks at MCN, bringing these two articles to his attention, and asking, since their test was the ONLY comprehensive test, if they were checking with the industry insiders to get the scoop....to which he replied that even as we speak, MCN is looking into this. In the meantime, they've raised enough question in my mind that I contact both Spectro and Bel-Ray and talk to their folks....so yesterday, I dropped in some Golden Spectro 4, which is a blend. Will wait and see what the information is coming back. Mobil has yet to respond to my inquiry or answer whether they're in the process of making a motorcycle specific synthetic like Castrol did...will advise what I hear....Mike-in Southern Maryland From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 1 10:24:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13247; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04358; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13402; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:23:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA06277 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970601102326_910887366@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe subscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 1 12:52:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13955; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04764; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18133; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA14418 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:50:07 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma014412; Sun, 1 Jun 97 12:50:02 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA25356; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA865184044; Sun, 01 Jun 97 12:54:05 -0500 Message-Id: <9706018651.AA865184044@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 97 12:50:20 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: rides.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings.. I'm the king of strange and unusual shifts this week (thanks to holidays). I'm off starting Monday at noon, till thursday at 11pm... I have orriginaly planned on taking a decent road trip, but it's falling through because I'm worried about my chain (it's getting close to the end), and clutch (someone's makeing it slippery). Not to mention I have yet to own/buy a tent or sleepingbag.... But I'd like to take nice day trips... and meet up with anyone that might have an afternoon or evening to show me arround their familiar roads. I'd like to head on into WV, maybe out to eastern MD... southern MD or VA.... I'm game for anything... Sooo... anyone game for this? Go ahead an e-mail me here, or feel free to call my pager ANYtime (301)409-5911, and my home till 10pm (301)483-6131. Ride safe.. and have fun.. Brian 86 vf500f P.S. can't forget about the north, anyone in PA wants to meet up, I'll go there too... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 1 13:21:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14108; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04897; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia4w.prodigy.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19178; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime3.prodigy.com (mime3.prodigy.com [192.168.253.27]) by pimaia4w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA38470 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:21:11 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime3.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA140048 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:17:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199706011717.NAA140048@mime3.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: CDJV17A@XXXXXX (MR MIKE MUTH) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:17:50, -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Oil Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII 2nd time trying this post...the 1st bounced for some reason....Date: 06/01/97 02:37 AM ---> That was me. I sent to Fred, but never got a reply. The MCN --->article that came out that 'changed the world' for motorcyclists --->was dated Feb-1994. So I guess its about time to do it again, --->what with all the hoopla goin on about the damnage that will surely --->happen if we continue to save our money. ---> --->Ok, I am copying MCN (editor) here to once again try to get them --->to ring in. We need another 'consumer' report. Not something from --->Spectro, et al.. I encourage all subscribers to MCN to do the --->same. Not a subscriber?...consider it. It is a good rag, and --->almost every issue has something you want to read. ---> --->BTW, I just changed mine again (Mobile 1 15w-50) last nite. Seems --->OK to me..... ---> --->Until later, --->Todd ---> '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' I too was a big fan of Mobile one in my Sporty until this last change...and I use synthetics in everything I own...Dodge Caravan...Mobil 1, 84 Dodge Ram....Mobil 1....Wellcraft boat...Amsoil Marine synthetic.....lawn mower...well at least a synthetic blend. Anyhow, two MC publications in the last month have come out against using automotive oil. The first article in RIDER was a nice advertisement for Spectro and touched on why, but didn't explain it. Still holding the MCN article from 94, I thought to stick with Mobile 1 in the Sporty...then Motorcycle Cruiser shows up...article by Art Friedman, whom I remember as being around a while and very respected, nails the reason. Seems the new SJ rating does away with the zinc and phosphorus content in the oil...something Art says is really needed in the extreme pressure additive side for motorcycles...seems catalytic converters in cars don't like zinc and there is come requirement for a converter to be able to deliver 100,000 miles without failing. I write Mobil and they confirm they're sending Mobil 1 out with the new SJ rating. Now they've raised my interest....however, I still want to hear from some Chemical Engineers....like at Mobil, not mechanics. So I fire off a note to Lee Parks at MCN, bringing these two articles to his attention, and asking, since their test was the ONLY comprehensive test, if they were checking with the industry insiders to get the scoop....to which he replied that even as we speak, MCN is looking into this. In the meantime, they've raised enough question in my mind that I contact both Spectro and Bel-Ray and talk to their folks....so yesterday, I dropped in some Golden Spectro 4, which is a blend. Will wait and see what the information is coming back. Mobil has yet to respond to my inquiry or answer whether they're in the process of making a motorcycle specific synthetic like Castrol did...will advise what I hear....Mike-in Southern Maryland From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 1 13:32:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14170; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04957; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19574; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA00444 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:31:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-52.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.116) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma011757; Sun Jun 1 10:50:44 1997 Message-ID: <3391C0BC.4A91@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 11:34:36 -0700 From: Ken Shephard Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Subscribe References: <199706011316.JAA141104@mime3.prodigy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit subscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 1 19:12:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20716; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07890; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10487; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (kiri.meretrix.com [207.42.198.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09770 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by kiri.meretrix.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA17663 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706012311.TAA17663@kiri.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Regularly scheduled nag Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 19:11:55 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos After extensive investigation, I have uncovered evidence that over the entire course of human existence, not one single motorcyclist has ever successfully subscribed or unsubscribed from the dc-cycles list by sending a message to 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'. Not one. Many have tried, some naive, some foolhardy, yet to this date, not a single one has succeeded. In fact, I have uncovered records going back several years that support the claim that every successful subscription attempt did involve, at one point or other, sending email to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX. Coincidence? I don't think so. Evidence of conspiracy? Perhaps. Was there extraterrestrial involvement? I don't think we'll ever know for sure. What role does the federal government play in this, if any, and would the situation improve if we drove slower and paid more taxes? Maybe if the feds opened their files, the American public would have these answers. On a related note, it seems that someone has once again advertised this list to another list. In itself, this is swell, but if you are going to do this, please make sure that you don't mislead the subscribers of the other list in the ways in which one might successfully subscribe to this list, or else the subscribers of this list will end up receiving the well-meaning, but ineffectual subscription attempts of a few of the subscribers of the other list. In short, please note that the only action that has ever had any effect on anyone's subscription status has involved sending email to the human (at least he would have us believe that he is a human) at 'dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX'. -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 1 20:04:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21796; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08203; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13949; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial41.netsys.hn [207.42.181.3]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA29997; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33920D7F.74C5@netsys.hn> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 18:02:07 -0600 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: Curacao de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Mantakos CC: Suzuki Listing , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Regularly scheduled nag References: <199706012311.TAA17663@kiri.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boy oh boy oh boy! Is somebody picky today? Why is it that for you guys it is so difficult to accept the fact that somebody (a human of course UNFORTUNATELY NOT OF YOUR SAME RACE) can err. Who died and made you the King of the Universe so that you can flame at other fellow motorcyclists just trying to join your list? What is so difficult in just replying to that lost soul and giving him or her the advise on what procedure to follow so that he or she can join the list and become yet another source of knowledge to us all? I don't even live in the US however, I thought that by joining your list could help me improve my knowledge on bikes and other related matters! As a matter of fact I've learned a lot and even made friends! :) If it helps your peace of mind, it was me who sent the copy of the dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX address to my fellow bikers at the suzuki-l@XXXXXX list. If this bothers you, just feel free to let me know and if Your Majesty believes it is neccesary, just let me off your list. SO BE IT! -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 Tegucigalpa, Honduras From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 1 20:42:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22904; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08527; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17187; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:42:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA01802 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970601204156_372470851@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New to list... I apologize to all for trying to subscribe incorrectly. I had seen a note on the XL list and when that failed I followed from Yahoo. Sorry. Dave Manassas, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 2 09:54:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27905; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14377; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08697; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA09922 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:51:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199706021351.AA09922@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:51:22 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:51:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 9:41:33 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Reflection and Contrast To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970601000734.AAA26181@localHost> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11u1Xr000044l ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ...gawd...that brought tears to my eyes...I spent all weekend cleaning up my Magna and my wifes Shadow...both are now gleaming in the basement ready for the weekend (or when the rain lets up, whatever is first)... either way....thanks...it really put things in perspective... ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 2 10:16:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28993; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14786; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11591; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.5/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id KAA10900; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706021414.KAA10900@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Gil M. Nissley" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 May 1997 23:41:39." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 10:14:45 -0400 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard "Gil M. Nissley" say: >On Fri, 30 May 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: >> --->ps- Hows' that Buell treating you? Big smiles I hope. >> >> -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX >> '97 Buell S3 UUcom, Inc. >> '94 Harley-Davidson Sportster Unix & Network consulting > > > Hopefully better than mine.Thurs I made another warranty claim for >the front brake rotor and the rear fender.Both had been replaced >about a month ago. :-( The Buell's been running great - the only problem I've had is when the dealer over filled the oil and made quite a mess when it overflowed. Are you referring to the brake ratteling that is an "optional" recall. I decided not to do it - I figure full floating brakes might just rattle a bit and it's part of their normal operation. -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX Shop as usual...........................and avoid panic buying From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 2 12:08:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01770; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17397; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jade.agen.tamu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20487; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jefe@localhost) by jade.agen.tamu.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) id LAA22672; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:07:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:07:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey S. Brown" To: "Raul F. Zelaya" cc: Harry Mantakos , Suzuki Listing , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Regularly scheduled nag In-Reply-To: <33920D7F.74C5@netsys.hn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Raul F. Zelaya wrote: > If it helps your peace of mind, it was me who sent the copy of the > dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX address to my fellow bikers at the > suzuki-l@XXXXXX list. no, if u have more such info to post, please do. this is what is needed. as for whoever flamed u, if it was me, i have my harsh moments. nothing personal meant by anything. later. -><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><- jeff brown '94 suzuki intruder 800 http://www.agen.tamu.edu/~jefe jefe@XXXXXX "Endurotruder" http://www.tamu.edu/tamc -awareness saves lives- carpe diem, y'all! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 2 13:18:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03917; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18684; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27359; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA11824; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:17:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA05574; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:17:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA27093; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:15:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles , st1100 Subject: Re: Oil X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970602171515.AAA27093@localHost> Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ From: editor@XXXXXX Message-Id: <199706021637.MAA05599@alpha.mcit.com> To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:31:00 -0700 We would love to do an update on the oil comparison but it is very complicated and haven't been able to figure out how to do it in a way that we can afford. We are certainly open to suggestions, however. You can call me at 714-855-8822 x488 if you have some thoughts or questions. --Lee --->FYI --->Anyone have any suggestions for Lee/MCN as to how best approach --->this issue (keeping in mind they have a budget). ---> ---> Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 2 14:26:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06894; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21073; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05317; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10698; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from franklin.vf.lmco.com ([166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15835 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from master.ew.lmms.lmco.com (master.ew.lmms.lmco.com [144.222.20.12]) by franklin.vf.lmco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27905 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ant09 (dkrause@XXXXXX [144.222.36.80]) by master.ew.lmms.lmco.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10123 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:28:36 -0400 Sender: dkrause@XXXXXX Message-ID: <33931025.4BC0@ew.lmms.lmco.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:25:41 -0400 From: Dieter Krausser David Krause Organization: Lockheed Martin Missles & Space X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------45261D0F1EC4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------45261D0F1EC4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THE GATHERING OF THE TRIBES - 97' Christian Bikers Against Substance Abuse (CBASA) NJ - RALLY SEPT 14, 1997 MERCER COUNTY PARK WEST WINDSOR NJ please review and email me if you have any questions this is a major event and any help would be greatly appreciated....also if this is not the person who should receive this message, please foward it to the appropriate individual or contact me with the proper information thanx - please email if you received this message Pastor Dave - Board Chairman CBASA --------------45261D0F1EC4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="cbasa" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cbasa" "GATHERING OF THE TRIBES" - I AM MY BROTHER'S KEEPER 97 Christian Bikers Against Substance Abuse (CBASA) is a network of motorcycle ministries in the New Jersey, Pennsylvania areas, that have come together for a common cause, namely to establish an area based Christian substance abuse program. We have seen what the effects of federal cutbacks in spending and the closure of several state run treatment facilities have had on the area. There is a dramatic void for an ongoing comprehensive program giving hope and direction to those people who are in need. We have decided to link arms and organize a rally to raise funds for this cause. All revenues from this event will be put towards establishing a foundation whose focus will be in the following areas: 1.) Prevention Through Education by Experience (PTEE) We do not wish to replace, but rather enhance preventive education by working with civic organizations such as D.A.R.E., the P.T.A., M.A.D.D. and others, to emphasize to the youth the dangers of drugs, and its associated violence, not by platforms or programs, but through our own lifetime experiences. 2.) Provide financial support to other Christian rehabilitation programs. 3.) Work with the judicial and probational systems by providing an alternative to substance abuse treatment. 4.) To provide a trade training facility in the areas of word processing, PC computer repair, carpentry, plumbing etc. The cost of substance abuse on families and businesses in America today is staggering, with no end in sight. This dreaded national scourge shows no favorites; it affects both the young and the old. Unless people become concerned and involved, our future will be no different than our past, dim and without hope. This is why we are passionate in the pursuit of this goal. We have been witness to the lives that have been changed through programs like Camp Hope, Teen Challenge and others, these programs work. It is time for those who have seen the victory, be a light to those who are in darkness. WE NEED YOUR HELP This is tremendous undertaking which requires a massive volunteer effort. We need parking attendants, traffic control, stage setup, park grounds maintenance, telephone solicitors, altar counselors, the list is endless. What ever support your group can provide would appreciated. As a part of this fund raising event, we are assembling a book of financial contributors which will be distributed to those who attend the Sept 14,1997 NJ rally. The schedule of contributions will be as follows: $25.00 for a business card, $75.00 per 1/4 page, $150.00 per 1/2 page $500.00 dollars for a full page, $1,500.00 for a cover page. We are contacting local and national companies as well as private individuals and ministries to become involved with this event. Become involved with us. Ask yourself the queston "Is the problem of substance abuse worth the effort of getting involved with its solution ?" We are available to come and speak to your group and answer any questions, please call to make arrangements. Sincerely, CBASA "The Gathering of the Tribes" CBASA - 347 Second Street Trenton NJ 08611 (609)695-0051 --------------45261D0F1EC4-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 2 14:50:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07892; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21421; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kentrox.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08042; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kentrox.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.2) id ; Mon, 2 Jun 97 11:50 PDT Received: from kentrox.com (beatrice) by bertha.kentrox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05833; Mon, 2 Jun 97 11:50:19 PDT From: bud@XXXXXX (Bud Couch) Message-Id: <9706021850.AA05833@bertha.kentrox.com> Subject: Re: Oil To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX (Todd B Peer) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 11:50:19 PDT Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, st1100@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970602171515.AAA27093@localHost>; from "Todd B Peer" at Jun 2, 97 1:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] > > > > Forwarded message: > _________________________________________________________________ > From: editor@XXXXXX > Message-Id: <199706021637.MAA05599@XXXXXX> > To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Oil > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:31:00 -0700 > > We would love to do an update on the oil comparison but it is very > complicated and haven't been able to figure out how to do it in a way > that we can afford. We are certainly open to suggestions, however. You > can call me at 714-855-8822 x488 if you have some thoughts or questions. > --Lee > > --->FYI > --->Anyone have any suggestions for Lee/MCN as to how best approach > --->this issue (keeping in mind they have a budget). > ---> > ---> Todd > Maybe I'm the only one, but it seems to me that the critical issue of cage vs m/c oils is related to properties which are not easily defined parametrically. We know that the flash point, for instance, is a more important number for air cooled m/cs than it is for autos. Therefore, the manufacturer's (parametric) specs, such as flash point, can be used to determine "better" oils for air-cooled bikes. In general, though, most cage-related specs are directly applicable to bike motors, with allowences for higher revs and lesser torque loads. One glaring difference that I'm aware of is the clutch. Are there any cars that share the motor oil with a wet clutch? Therefore, I would suggest that any testing should focus on those differences, where the manufacturer's specs are of little use in determining sufficiency. This should limit the amount of testing required and perhaps help make it budgetarily (is there such a word?) feasible. Take all of this with a grain of salt - my degree is in electrical, not mechanical, engineering. Bud Couch | 91 ST1100 "SaTin Maul" 84 VT500F "M'Ascot"| bud@XXXXXX (work) | I am not a number, I am a free man!...OOF!| budc@XXXXXX (just me) | OUCH! OOF!...ok,ok.. STOC422. sheesh! | |insert legalistic bs disclaimer here | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 2 15:38:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09725; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nemo.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22407; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nemo.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16282; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:36:53 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:36:53 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) Message-Id: <199706021936.TAA16282@nemo.cs.umd.edu> To: ccchrfzb@XXXXXX, jefe@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Regularly scheduled nag Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Raul F. Zelaya wrote: > If it helps your peace of mind, it was me who sent the copy of the > dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX address to my fellow bikers at the > suzuki-l@XXXXXX list. "Jeffrey S. Brown" replies: > no, if u have more such info to post, please do. this is what is > needed. as for whoever flamed u, if it was me, i have my harsh moments. > nothing personal meant by anything. later. I think the point of the "flame" was that if you want to advertize the list, be sure to post the correct subscription instructions. has been getting quite a few "subscribe" messages, which then get posted to all. Subscription requests should go to instead. It's an annoyance that the listmembers can do without, and it transcends whatever list you're talking about. Maybe the "advertizer" left out the <-request> in their crosspost, maybe those trying to subscribe left it out (tho' that'd be quite a few people :) Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! 4 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 7 Suzukis +----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 2 21:46:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01143; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26517; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10475; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial45.netsys.hn [207.42.181.7]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA22028; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:42:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3393698E.3AF4@netsys.hn> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 19:47:10 -0500 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: CURACAO de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Bible of lists! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear gang, Check this out, http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup/ it is site with a complete list of Motorcycle related lists. If this is not enough, I really don't know what would be! I am really impressed! :o (stands for WOW!....Thats my Lps 0.02, Lps is the local currency and it stands for Lempiras exchange rate 13.25 to a US Dollar) This was found in the homepage of the webmaster of the dc-cycles list, Thanks to Harry Mantakos at harry@XXXXXX Happy motoring gang :-) Sincerely, -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 '95 BMW 325 ic (I decided to include my cage) Tegucigalpa, Honduras From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 2 23:34:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01962; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27155; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14565; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:33:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA27649 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970602233318_387751503@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New to list... Dave: No need to apologize for yourself or the many others who have sent the request to the list. In fact, I think I gave a friend of mine the wrong information, as well. Any way, welcome to dc-cycles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 3 04:41:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA04557; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 04:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA00468; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 04:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA19676; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 04:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA24918; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 04:36:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 04:23:12 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: lane splitting To: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199706021414.KAA10900@tangerine.uucom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Matthew V. J. Whalen wrote: > I think I heard "Gil M. Nissley" say: > > Hopefully better than mine.Thurs I made another warranty claim for > >the front brake rotor and the rear fender.Both had been replaced > >about a month ago. :-( > The Buell's been running great - the only problem I've had is when the > dealer over filled the oil and made quite a mess when it overflowed. > Are you referring to the brake ratteling that is an "optional" recall. > I decided not to do it - I figure full floating brakes might just > rattle a bit and it's part of their normal operation. Nope,my rotor was turning blue from overheating.The original one did it,too.What gets me is that the '96 S1's are supposed to have an improved design over the S2's.I ride this bike the same way I did my S2,but that brake was fine.It also torques me that they replaced both my rotor and fender with the same items even though they upgraded the ones on the '97's for those very reasons.I'm not even going to get into the battery fiasco. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Petty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 3 11:56:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08774; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04736; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07512; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA01182 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:55:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA21492 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA23347 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:54:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 11:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Cumberland Party X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970603155453.AAA23347@localHost> Abate of Maryland is hosting the Cumberland Party at the Allegany County Fairgrounds (Western MD) for June 7 and 8. I'd like to go, and would prefer to ride with companions. This is a camping trek, so if your not into camping then probably not your cup-o-tea. FYI, there will be hot showers and facilities. Events: -Peoples choice bike show -T-Shirt contest -Tattoo contest(!??) -Jousting, on motorcycles, oh man. -Pro/Am Dirt Trak races on sunday Admission: -$20 for abate mems -$25 for non-abate -May be extra for races.... I know this is short notice, but some of you may have already planned to go. Let me know. I live in Springfield, VA. Until later, Todd '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' [---------------------------STOC #487----------------------------]] "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it would be no life at all" -- Hans Hass "Who bravely dares must sometimes risk a fall." --Tobias G. Smollett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 3 13:16:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10951; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06906; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14091; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:16:14 -0400 (EDT) From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA22360 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970603131542_238556241@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Japanese Ducatis Anyone on the list ridden the new Honda or Suzuki 1 litre V-twin sportbikes yet? Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 3 13:25:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11385; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07157; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15365; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:25:12 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA19449 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970603132441_-463785875@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Mistybutt; Long & marginally germane to list. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Fwd: Mistybutt; Long & marginally germane to list. Date: 97-06-02 16:17:42 EDT From: KLThomas77 To: dc_cycles@XXXXXX Hey, y'all-- >From the VFR list. Not as good as the boat comparison, but..... --------------------- Forwarded message: From: v4finney@XXXXXX (Mark Finney) Sender: owner-vfr@XXXXXX Reply-to: vfr@XXXXXX To: hsta@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Date: 97-06-02 11:12:51 EDT The Chronicles of Mistybutt by cynsa bonorris "Oh, that this too, too soggy butt would melt thaw, and resolve itself into a dew..." It's after nightfall, and you are about to head home after having a nice visit with a friend. Suddenly, as you prepare to mount your bike, you realize that with the coming of night, condensation has conspired with the Elements to give you a nasty case of Mistybutt. The perils of mistybutt cannot be denied. Whether it's a mild case, resulting in a butt that is merely damp, or a severe case, in which the whole butt area is saturated, no motorcyclist can avoid mistybutt altogether. It's an affliction and a curse, and its consequences are manifold: 1.Even a mildly damp butt can cause a rider to become irritable and cranky, thus making her/him lose patience even more readily with the Four-Wheeled Vermin (4WV) and perhaps, in this frustrated state, taking risks s/he might not normally take. 2.Makes the ride home chillier. In cases of saturated butt, unless steps are taken to reacclimatize the butt after reaching your destination, the chill can lead to a cold or worse. 3.Chafing. 4.In cases of wet butt or saturated butt, your affliction might be noticeable, leading to embarrassing misapprehensions. 5.Hyperfertility due to testicular cooling (males). 6.Long-time riders, especially those residing in fog-prone cities, run the risk of contracting hemorrhoids. But what steps might we take to avoid this insidious condition? Keep a shop rag tucked in your bungee net or saddle bags. Avoid parking in high altitudes. Get in the habit of grabbing a paper towel whenever you're ready to hit the road after nightfall. Move to the Equator. Wear heated longjohns; or Rubber panties. It is impossible, however, to prepare for every contigency. In the spirit of scientific inquiry, I have kept the following chronicles of my trials with the dread affliction. 25 Jan 94 I was saved this evening from a particularly nasty case of mistybutt by a good friend who had the foresight to move my bike into his garage. Lucky butt. 29 Jan 94 I've been pondering my overweening pride as a motorcyclist. I look at the puny 4W vermin and think how godlike I am. And yet, it is the motorcycle which is godlike, and what glory it imparts it may take away in a breath, leaving me with a soggy bottom. So it was, today 2 Feb 94 In a related incident, yesterday I rediscovered the woes of squishyglove. My hands were so sopping I had to wring out my gloves at the lights. Now, I know I should buy some real gloves, instead of wearing my $16 suede gloves, but every time I go glove shopping I am dismayed at the extremely high price of deerskin; also, they never have my size or they put those stupid studs on the top for decorative purposes (studs on the palms would be ok) or they only have them in BLUE! RED! and WHITE! or they are gauntlets that reach halfway up my elbows so I can't bend my arms. End of rant. No, wait, I'm not done yet: then, even if I bought them, I'd have to worry incessantly about losing them, or only losing one of them and then I'd have this incredibly expensive, unmatchable, totally useless glove hanging out in my apartment because I couldn't bear to throw it away so what is the point? I ask you. 14 Feb 94 All wet butt today. I'm chafing where I sit. 4 Mar 94 oh to be misty my butt in the evenings doth strive but oh! how a shoprag in the glad hand of a friend averts fate 17 Mar 94 Today I saw a beemer with a shaggy seat cover and thought "Eureka!" Only I don't know how I'd feel about sitting on a sheep. I mean a BMW. 27 Mar 94 On a night such as this when the dew does not adhere nor the mists befog my butt I speed lightly through the streets and summon capricious spring while the bugs bespeckle my teeth 20 May 94 Lately I have been wondering: why are vinyl and leather more prone to mist accumulation? Do they hold the heat better and convect it slowly afterwards, thus condensing more water vapor? Is it out of sheer perverse will to see my butt mistified? 1 Jun 94 Am considering the possibility of a crushed velvet seat cover. 6 Jun 94 Requiem for My Butt In that first cold moment as the wet sliced through the weft, I felt the frigid bite as a deft knife keen as death. ©1993 cynsa@XXXXXX ----------------------------------------------------- Mark Finney, PrintSource (Indianapolis) < V4Finney@XXXXXX > HSTA #4446su '96 F3 Wheeee!!! -> '90 VFR750 <- FOR SALE! -> SEE IT at: < http://www.accessone.com/~menher/sale/finney.htm > *** Please reply directly; I can't keep up with the List Digests!! *** ----------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 3 18:50:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19049; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15102; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09328; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:49:39 -0400 (EDT) From: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from dialpm6-13.knight-hub.com (dialpm6-13.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.54]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA12359 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:49:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:49:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199706032249.SAA12359@thehub.knight-hub.com> X-Sender: mobacc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: Mistybutt; Long & marginally germane to list. Hmmmm. I'm just starting to call myself a motorcyclist (first bike this spring), but thought I'd chime in here with an apparent solution to Poachedbutt, which seems to be a cousin to Mistybutt. Remembering the leather-to-cloth seat searing in over-80deg. weather from auto days, from a J.C. Whitney catalog (Spring 97 p.8) popped up an under $15 remedy the likes of which I've scoffed at in numerous taxis -- a wood bead cushion, this time for cycle seats. Did it, fits my Vulcan using straps I found someplace, and its been very comfortable (even therapeutic?) so far. Not bad looking either (mine is natural with a cherry center design). Haven't yet viewed the pressure imprint -- on either seat. ***Bill -- '96 500 Vulcan At 01:24 PM 6/3/97 -0400, KLThomas77@XXXXXX wrote: > >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >Subj: Fwd: Mistybutt; Long & marginally germane to list. >Date: 97-06-02 16:17:42 EDT >From: KLThomas77 >To: dc_cycles@XXXXXX > >Hey, y'all-- > >>From the VFR list. Not as good as the boat comparison, but..... >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: v4finney@XXXXXX (Mark Finney) >Sender: owner-vfr@XXXXXX >Reply-to: vfr@XXXXXX >To: hsta@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX >Date: 97-06-02 11:12:51 EDT > >The Chronicles of Mistybutt > >by cynsa bonorris > > "Oh, that this too, too soggy butt would melt > thaw, and resolve itself into a dew..." > >It's after nightfall, and you are about to head home after having a nice >visit with a friend. Suddenly, as you prepare to mount your bike, you >realize that with the coming of night, condensation has conspired with the >Elements to give you a nasty case of Mistybutt. > >The perils of mistybutt cannot be denied. Whether it's a mild case, >resulting in a butt that is merely damp, or a severe case, in which the >whole butt area is saturated, no motorcyclist can avoid mistybutt >altogether. It's an affliction and a curse, and its consequences are >manifold: > > 1.Even a mildly damp butt can cause a rider to become irritable and >cranky, thus making her/him lose patience even more readily with the >Four-Wheeled Vermin (4WV) and perhaps, in this frustrated state, taking >risks s/he might not normally take. clip clip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 3 19:11:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19340; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15277; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssnet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10257; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (leader@localhost) by ssnet.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13049; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:10:52 -0400 (EDT) From: my own worst nightmare To: SRFox@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Japanese Ducatis In-Reply-To: <970603131542_238556241@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Jun 1997 SRFox@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone on the list ridden the new Honda or Suzuki > 1 litre V-twin sportbikes yet? i own one so that's a yes ;) seth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 3 19:51:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19690; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15898; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darden.gbus.Virginia.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11794; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by darden.gbus.Virginia.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC7057.63EE0460@XXXXXX>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:50:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kitchell, Mark" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: For list master only Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:50:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 4 TEXT I sent a unsubscribe message to the request, and received a message that it worked, but am still getting messages. Help! thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 01:05:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22374; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19170; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22195; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:05:18 -0400 (EDT) From: bonez@XXXXXX Received: from bones.erols.com (spg-as49s16.erols.com [207.172.47.207]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA19784; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706040505.BAA19784@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dwkaiser@XXXXXX (David & Michele DeJong Kaiser) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:05:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Freestate Answers and Coleman Questions Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) > From: dwkaiser@XXXXXX (David & Michele DeJong Kaiser) > Subject: RE: Freestate Answers and Coleman Questions As a former employee of (Then Cycle's Arlington and) Coleman in Falls Church I think you treated the sales manager there properly. he is a Grade "A" asshole but I a read a few day' ago here. ( I have no idea when it was posted could have been awhile ago) as long as they keep buying from him Mr. Coleman will keep him around. They have a lot of good people working there, and they have a bigger and more current parts stock then anywhere else. So just treat him (the sales manager) like the ass that he is and wave cash in his face you might be supprised at the deal you could get. But you are right about his attitude. it sucks. If he was any slicker he could be a politician. If you like the people at the other Coleman buy from them. Bones Mahoney Bonez@XXXXXX > After I actually laughed (more of a snort of disgust) in the sales > manager's face and pointed out the prices as per the Motorcycle Consumer > News article of the same month he said that they had put a lot of work into > the engine (the odometer read over 70,000) and that he would find someone > who wasn't educated on that model who would buy it. > > So that's their attitude. > > On the other hand, I found a beautiful '95 Concourse at the Potomac Mills > Coleman for $6,999 with about 7,000 miles on it. This seemed like a fair > deal. > > Does anyone else note a difference between the Falls Church and Potomac > Mills store, or is it just chance on my part? > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 08:50:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24819; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21908; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01275; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.0) for ; id IAD022.55; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:48:17 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970604084951.00957e60@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 08:49:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: 10 years, 2 wheels, 350,000 Km Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Check out http://www.cycoactive.com/helge/ for info on Helge Pedersen's worldwide motorcycle travels. ready to go, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 12:10:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27432; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25431; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11395; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA12020; Wed, 4 Jun 97 12:09:49 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 4 Jun 97 09:11:01 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 4 Jun 97 09:10:40 -0008 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:07:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Reflection and Contrast Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <19970601000734.AAA26181@localHost> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <3C25E17393C@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > > Personally, I resent people who speed (meaning > > REALLY speed, which in my definition would certainly > > include 80mph in a 55 mph zone) because I believe > > they're endangering my life and the lives of others. > > 80 mph in a 55 on a motorcycle and you're scared for > your life? Better stay home in the safety of your > living room. Safe driving has very little to do with > speed limits. Those are for generating income. Hey, it depends. When I lived in Wheaton, I would never consider riding 80 on the Beltway, 60 is fast enough for that road. In many places, 50 makes more sense. Here in Idaho, the interstate speed limit is 75 and I'm very comfortable with that. When I ride in Montana, I travel over 80 on some parts of I-90. Not only am I comfortable with those speeds, so are the Montana highway patrol speed traps I passed unmolested. When speed limits match the reality of the road and traffic, they make sense. We hate to admit it but, most of the time, speed limits reflect the maximum safe speed. (Excuse me a moment while I don my asbestos jumpsuit.) The poor rider who died on Randolph Rd recently learned the hard way. Our ability to control our bikes is only a small factor of determining the maximum safe speed for a road. I lived a half mile from his accident and know that road well. I would never ride it above 35 MPH, not because of the curves in the road, but because of the congested traffic. There are plenty of times when 35 MPH on a suburban street is scarier than 85 MPH on a Montanan Freeway. I admit my fear when I ride. I like fear; it makes me think and stops me from acting stupid. If I lose my fear, I should sell the bike and buy the Ford Expedition my wife wants. If I did, I could relax while the rest of the motoring public had to flee from my path in panic. Come to think of it, would you be tolerant of me speeding in a 13 MPG monster truck? Would you wish me a good time while my truck blasted by your little bike at 20 miles per hour over the speed limit? Could you trust my skill and attention as my wake pushes you to the shoulder? Or would you mutter under your breath, "There's never a cop around when you need one!" North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 12:18:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27523; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25601; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11699; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28049; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.0-8 #9595) id <01IJOA9Q0FDC91XHLH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 04 Jun 1997 12:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 04 Jun 1997 12:00:29 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 04 Jun 1997 12:00:29 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 11:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5680 FAX 301-594-2503 Subject: WTB: Rear mc tire To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 11:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E412IWH2J42W X400-MTS-identifier: [;92002140607991/1734086@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 The wear indicators on my rear tire are showing. So, it's time for another. I normally buy used race tires for the rear because of economics combined with the fact that I go through two of them per year (I've gotten over 10k commuting miles out of a used race compound Michelin before). My local shop usually has a couple laying around but, for some reason, they are clean out right now. If you have a 160/60/17 in good condition for the street let me know. My preference is the Washington, DC area. Thanks, Kirk royk@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 12:34:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27708; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25732; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12538; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:34:32 -0400 Message-ID: <8C701AD947BED011ABF300805FC1F062034363@MSEXCHANGE> From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Reflection and Contrast Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:34:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Funny how you refer to issues that regard irresponsiblility and yet conclude that speed is dangerous. What you say implies that speed is only dangerous when applied improperly. But speed in and of itself is not dangerous. If that's your opinion I agree. So let's not talk about speed being the issue. If I hear any more about speed then I will discuss how dangerous braking is. I think we should have a BRAKE LIMIT. Excessive Braking causes accidents!!! Cheers, Amit CBR1000 > ---------- > From: Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, > Idaho[SMTP:dimon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 1997 5:07 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Reflection and Contrast > > > > Personally, I resent people who speed (meaning > > > REALLY speed, which in my definition would certainly > > > include 80mph in a 55 mph zone) because I believe > > > they're endangering my life and the lives of others. > > > > 80 mph in a 55 on a motorcycle and you're scared for > > your life? Better stay home in the safety of your > > living room. Safe driving has very little to do with > > speed limits. Those are for generating income. > > Hey, it depends. When I lived in Wheaton, I would never > consider riding 80 on the Beltway, 60 is fast enough for > that road. In many places, 50 makes more sense. Here in > Idaho, the interstate speed limit is 75 and I'm very > comfortable with that. When I ride in Montana, I travel > over 80 on some parts of I-90. Not only am I comfortable > with those speeds, so are the Montana highway patrol > speed traps I passed unmolested. > > When speed limits match the reality of the road and > traffic, they make sense. We hate to admit it but, most > of the time, speed limits reflect the maximum safe > speed. (Excuse me a moment while I don my asbestos > jumpsuit.) > > The poor rider who died on Randolph Rd recently learned > the hard way. Our ability to control our bikes is only a > small factor of determining the maximum safe speed for a > road. I lived a half mile from his accident and know > that road well. I would never ride it above 35 MPH, not > because of the curves in the road, but because of the > congested traffic. > > There are plenty of times when 35 MPH on a suburban > street is scarier than 85 MPH on a Montanan Freeway. I > admit my fear when I ride. I like fear; it makes me > think and stops me from acting stupid. If I lose my > fear, I should sell the bike and buy the Ford Expedition > my wife wants. If I did, I could relax while the rest of > the motoring public had to flee from my path in panic. > > Come to think of it, would you be tolerant of me > speeding in a 13 MPG monster truck? Would you wish me a > good time while my truck blasted by your little bike at > 20 miles per hour over the speed limit? Could you trust > my skill and attention as my wake pushes you to the > shoulder? > > Or would you mutter under your breath, "There's never a > cop around when you need one!" > > North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! > Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 > Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 > Fax: 208-683-2036 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 12:58:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28005; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nemo.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26075; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nemo.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18078; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:58:01 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:58:01 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) Message-Id: <199706041658.QAA18078@nemo.cs.umd.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reflection and Contrast "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" writes: > When speed limits match the reality of the road and > traffic, they make sense. We hate to admit it but, most > of the time, speed limits reflect the maximum safe speed. Horsehockey! Once upon a time, when a new road was built there would be no speed posted. A road crew would go out and measure the average speed of the traffic on a typical day, the "natural flow" that operators felt comfortable travelling for that particular stretch of road. The speed limit would then be set at ~90% of that level, to the nearest multiple of five. At least since the institution of the 55mph speed limit in 1973(?), speed limits have been set quite arbitrarily. This is particularly true for expressways. As for "maximum safe speed", there is no set metric for that for any stretch of road. There are too many variables to consider (time of day, weather conditions, traffic density, etc). If anything, the "maximum safe speed" is being pulled down to the lowest common denominator, the worst drivers on the road who probably wouldn't qualify for a driver's licences in many other countries. Namely, Volvo drivers. :-) > (Excuse me a moment while I don my asbestos jumpsuit.) Oh, come-on! It wasn't *that* bad... :-) Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! 4 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 7 Suzukis +----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 19:48:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA08108; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 19:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01283; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 19:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout30.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02338; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 19:48:19 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout30.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA04359 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 19:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 19:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970604194153_-1363833521@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: 87 VFR 700 for sale BTW--This is in Potomac MD. --------------------- Forwarded message: From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Sender: owner-vfr@XXXXXX Reply-to: vfr@XXXXXX To: VFR@XXXXXX Date: 97-06-04 18:24:04 EDT Hey, y'all- You may recall that I recently bought my old 92 VFR750 back from its new owner after it was totalled in a parking lot. I was going to fix it and sell it, but I rode a 91 the other day, and I just can't get past how much better I like 90+ bikes than the 86-87. And for what the 92 will cost me to fix, well, I just can't pass it up. I'm keeping it. So the 87 must go. My girlfriend bought it about 3 years ago from lister Kevin Ley. I traded her a 400 Bandit and a pile of money for it a couple of months ago when I sold my 92. It has 24500 miles, I think. She bought it at around 18000, right Kevin? I've put 1500 of those on in the last 6 weeks or so, and actually I put on about 3000 when she bought it, so I've ridden it more than she has. It is blue and silver. It has a Corbin Gunfighter and Lady seat in blue basketweave, blue and silver naugahyde. I've been told it's a beautiful seat. It has flush front signals, the stock front signals are at the rear, wired for running lights. It has mirrors you can actually see out of, and can adjust with one hand, neither of which were features of the stock mirrors. It has high wattage headlight and taillight bulbs, a new metzeler in front, and will probably get a new one in the rear as soon as the rain stops. Stock sizes. It has 5 month old brand new stock mufflers, Heli bars, Hella Supertone Horns. It needs no work, and I will fully service it this weekend. Everything else is stock that I can think of. It has a few light scratches on the left lower from a tip over, and some paint rubbed off the edge of the right upper by the handlebars from a 2 bike tipover in the back of a truck. This is almost invisible. From the same tipover, it has a new brake master cylinder, right lower and side cover, and a new tail. All factory painted Honda parts. Includes stock seat, bars, etc...., 1 quart each of blue base, blue candy, and clear paint, seat cowl in primer, and probably some more stuff. By the way, you can't get new Corbin seats for 86-87s any more. I want $3500 for it. I think you'll like it. Kevin 301-424-5319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 23:36:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09652; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04099; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10473; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1Cust115.Max6.Bridgewater.MI.MS.UU.NET (1Cust115.Max6.Bridgewater.MI.MS.UU.NET [153.36.108.243]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA02280 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by 1Cust115.Max6.Bridgewater.MI.MS.UU.NET with Microsoft Mail id <01BC7141.1C649CE0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:43:32 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC7141.1C649CE0@1Cust115.Max6.Bridgewater.MI.MS.UU.NET> From: Stephen To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Japanese Ducatis, Yep Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:36:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I test rode a TL1000. It was pretty awesome. I'll compare it to the = CBR900RR because that's the other really fast bike I've ridden. Now I = didn't get to flog the TL like I did with the RR, but in twenty minutes = of riding, I can tell you that the TL definitely has definitely go the = more radical riding position. Fifteen minutes into the ride, and I was = really noticing that I was resting on my hands. Right out of the parking = lot, you'll notice that you can't see the tops of the guages (I'm 5' = 11"). If you've read the reviews in the magazines, you're already well = informed. They haven't been lying! The bike's got monster power. At = street legal speeds, I was moslty only using the first two gears. My = normal ride is a Hawk GT, so I'm somewhat familiar with V-Twins. Over = about 8 grand, the front will come up on the power. You'd better not be = nervous about it, because it's going to shake it's head when it does - = every time! Compared to the RR, the TL is noticeably heavier. I rode an = F3 to the ride, and even the F3 felt lighter than the TL, though I know = it isn't. The TL corners pretty well, but is definitely set up as a = sporting mount with tighter suspension than I'm used to on my Hawk (not = stock!) or the F3. I didn't get to fiddle with it, so it just might have = been a little too hard for me, and not the next rider.=20 After the riding position (I like riding 8 to 10hr days) The one thing I = would critize most was the vibration. I've read in magazines that the = bike is quite smooth, but I couldn't agree less. It wasn't a Hardly, but = it sure wasn't as smooth as my Hawk motor (stock). And there's no = comparison to the in-line fours. Every time I read about someone = complaining about the F3 being "buzzy" I just have to wonder if they = haven't got one themselves!=20 Now here's my completely subjective opinion. After 45 minutes of = hare-brained antics on a 900RR, I couldn't get the smile off my face for = hours. After 20 minutes of try-to-pretend-you're-riding-nicely-oops-I = didn't-mean-to-lift-the-front-quite-THAT-high, I was satisfied back on = the F3 where my wrists weren't in jeopardy of developing carpal tunnel = syndrome. The TL is fast, and fun, but I just didn't find it comfortable = enough compared to some of the other fast bikes I've ridden. I'm still = waiting for my free ride on a VTR1000. In the mean time, my little Hawk = (soon to be a bigger Hawk), and I are comfortable with one another. I'm really interested in what people have to say about the Firestorm... = errr ... SuperHawk. Brevity was not one of my strong suits. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: my own worst nightmare [SMTP:leader@XXXXXX] Sent: June 3, 1997 7:11 PM To: SRFox@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Japanese Ducatis On Tue, 3 Jun 1997 SRFox@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone on the list ridden the new Honda or Suzuki > 1 litre V-twin sportbikes yet? i own one so that's a yes ;) seth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 13:54:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19269; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14028; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lccinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12419; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: joe_snider@XXXXXX Received: from smtpgw.lccinc.com by lccinc.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA16562; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:53:23 -0400 Received: from ccMail by smtpgw.lccinc.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA865544082; Thu, 05 Jun 97 13:54:43 -0800 Message-Id: <9706058655.AA865544082@smtpgw.lccinc.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 13:40:44 -0800 To: Subject: Is there anybody out there MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am just testing if I am still receiving dc-cycles mail. I have not received anything in a while and have had a few problems with my e-mail recently. Many apologies in advance for wasting space etc. Joe S. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 14:27:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20470; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14678; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16002; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tgimer.smart.net (a2p22dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.54]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24414 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:27:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199706051827.OAA24414@gemini.smart.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 14:27:17 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Organization: Little or No Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: '94 ZX-6E for trade/sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1994 ZX-6E for trade/sale Black w/tinted screen 8k miles Corbin gunfighter seat New Metzelers, new battery, tank flushed, carbs cleaned 5/97 Looking for ZX-9R or ZX-11 @ +/- $6500 My bike is mint and has never been down. I miss the power of my CBR900RR (may she rest in peace) but not the discomfort; so if you bought either a ZX-9R or a ZX-11 and it is too much (either size or $) for you, I would be very interested in making a trade. I'm in the Washington, DC area. I would like $4500 for my bike otherwise, but I will not sell it without a replacement in sight. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX 301 806-1024 (mobile) 202 296-5304 (work) 301 299-9375 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 16:22:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24034; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17123; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07390; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:22:35 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:19:44 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser Received: from 24-charlie [207.168.31.39] by dclink.com with smtp id APDBBPCJ ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:49:32 -0500 From: "Charlie Keyser" To: Subject: Web Page Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:50:25 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.13263.3546@207.168.31.39 My 1st attempted at my web page, plus a picture of my bike. RF 600R Choose your weapon... http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 20:44:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27269; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20836; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08599; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([205.177.148.42]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA32612 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:43:58 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970606004616.00660534@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ranone@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 20:46:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wendy & Nick Ranone Subject: EX250 Ninja Questions Hello, I just bought a 1996 Ninja 250R. It came down to a decision between a used one with an aftermarket exhaust and the new one. Does anyone have an opinion on any must haves or must upgrade items? I was thinking K&N air filter, because its easy and relativily cheap. BTW, I have already taken the MSF course twice, so that is covered. Also, does anyone know of a good mail order place to get Vanson Leathers? I saw a jacket I liked at Coleman but Id rather not spend $500 for a jacket. Nick Ranone PS I guess this is my re-intro. I have been out of the country and out of touch for the past six months. Hello everyone! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 21:35:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27551; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21351; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10429; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26788; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (man-as5s11.erols.com [207.172.74.11]) by server2.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09220; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:51:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970605213628.006a6514@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 21:36:28 +0000 To: Wendy & Nick Ranone From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: EX250 Ninja Questions Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX We need to get together. I've got an '89 that I've been riding now for a week. It has K&N filters (no airbox), rejetted carbs and F1R exhaust pipes. The power is nice, but I think I'd rather have quiet. Since I've not had one with the stock setup, I don't know what the fuel mileage would be, the 3 tanks I've used so far went between 220 and 250 miles and 52 to 56 mpg. My opinion of what my bike needs (in no particular order) quieter pipes (maybe stock) cruise control (my throttle lock won't fit) a better seat more luggage (I already have a tank bag, but haven't put it on because I want to let the paint cure for a few more weeks) a sound system driving lights a voltmeter a rally computer for gas mileage, average speed, times etc. I really like the handling on this bike, I find that on the on ramps, I'm going faster than I ever went on my other bikes, yet it still feels comfortable, it wiggles around more in the rain, but I think I'll get used to that. Weather protection isn't much though, I find I'm dressing as if it were 10 to 20 degrees colder than I would be on the SilverWing. > I just bought a 1996 Ninja 250R. It came down to a decision between a used >one with an aftermarket exhaust and the new one. Does anyone have an >opinion on any must haves or must upgrade items? I was thinking K&N air >filter, because its easy and relativily cheap. BTW, I have already taken >the MSF course twice, so that is covered. Also, does anyone know of a good >mail order place to get Vanson Leathers? I saw a jacket I liked at Coleman >but Id rather not spend $500 for a jacket. > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 22:21:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27966; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21646; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12499; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA00596 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:21:02 -0400 (EDT) From: alauro@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motoport Jackets? Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 02:23:59 GMT Message-ID: <339871d2.261456708@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe someone out there in dc-cycles land can help me out! I'm looking to buy a dual-sport (nylon) jacket, and had decided that a Motoport Canyon jacket would be just great. Problem is, they're hard to come by... backordered, not available anywhere, etc. I called Motoport direct, and they won't be getting in a shipment until the end of June (and it wasn't clear whether I could actually buy one of those that did come in!). As an alternative, the nice lady on the phone suggested the "Spyder A/X", which she assured me was the same style as the Canyon jacket, but with a few additional features. Sounded okay to me, so I ordered it. Turns out she wasn't quite accurate... the Spyder jacket is more of a touring style jacket, and is quite a bit longer than the Canyon. It also doesn't have vents, but rather the material is supposed to "breath" (something called Aerotex). The jacket seems to fit well, but just feels sort of long compared with your basic non-motorcycling jacket... basically I'm sitting on the back of it (slightly) when I'm on my bike (XT350). For those of you who read this far, here's what I'm wondering: 1) What are the advantages of a longer jacket? Seems like you get a more coverage, and maybe the jacket doesn't ride up? 2) Does any of this stuff actually "breath" or do I need to find a jacket with vents? 3) Anyone have a Canyon jacket and wish it was about 3" longer? :) I'm just trying to figure out whether I should send the thing back and keep looking for a Canyon, or maybe there is something inherently better in a longer jacket and I should keep it! Any advice? Any barely used Canyon jackets (size M) gathering dust in a closet out there? :)=20 Also, if there are any dual-sport riders out there looking for a someone to ride with (primarily Loudoun County back roads [and points West] at a leisurely pace), drop me a line! =20 Thanks! Anita Lauro '94 Yamaha XT350 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D Thought for the day: The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that,=20 you've got it made. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 22:31:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28021; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21748; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12893; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA00847 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:31:11 -0400 (EDT) From: alauro@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF Intermediate Rider Course Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 02:34:08 GMT Message-ID: <339b753b.262329365@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've signed up for the Intermediate Rider Course at NVCC-Loudoun on 6/15, and I'm kind of curious about something... the letter I received outlining the requirements for the course mentioned something about "batteries needing to be fully charged due to the fact that the bikes will be turned on/off frequently during the day." Well, my bike (XT350) doesn't have an electric starter.... just me, kicking away! I'm wondering if I'm going to go nuts in the class... I took the beginner class 1.5 years ago, and can't really remember how many times we started the bikes. Would it be just at the beginning of a particular exercise, or do you turn the bikes on/off waiting in line, etc. I'll take the class regardless, but I'm just wondering what I'm in for! At least the weather will be warm... my bike does *not* like to start when it's less than 50 degrees out! Thanks! Anita =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D Thought for the day: 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 06:10:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01625; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 06:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA25407; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 06:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22851; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 06:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as4s03.erols.com [207.172.111.194]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA29281 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 06:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970606101214.00677270@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ranone@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 06:12:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wendy & Nick Ranone Subject: Subscribe I was on the list two days ago, but I havent recieved any traffic in over 24 hours. I have gotten responses on a post I made, but I never got the post. Help me! Nick Ranone From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 07:29:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01847; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25582; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24847; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA08433 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:28:20 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:28:20 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "alauro@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: MSF Intermediate Rider Course Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:27:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 34 TEXT, 60 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 I did the Experienced Rider Course a few years ago on my SRX-6 (kick only) it wasn't THAT bad (assuming that your bike starts easily). One of the others in the class was on a CBF1000 that did sustain a battery failure - kicking the SRX was a LOT easier than pushing the CBF. -----Original Message----- From: alauro@XXXXXX [SMTP:alauro@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 1997 22:34 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF Intermediate Rider Course I've signed up for the Intermediate Rider Course at NVCC-Loudoun on 6/15, and I'm kind of curious about something... the letter I received outlining the requirements for the course mentioned something about "batteries needing to be fully charged due to the fact that the bikes will be turned on/off frequently during the day." Well, my bike (XT350) doesn't have an electric starter.... just me, kicking away! I'm wondering if I'm going to go nuts in the class... I took the beginner class 1.5 years ago, and can't really remember how many times we started the bikes. Would it be just at the beginning of a particular exercise, or do you turn the bikes on/off waiting in line, etc. I'll take the class regardless, but I'm just wondering what I'm in for! At least the weather will be warm... my bike does *not* like to start when it's less than 50 degrees out! Thanks! Anita =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Thought for the day: 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(CP+`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````.30X,4,Q M0S$S1$1%1# Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`* 0L!`Y &``P)```E````"P`"``$````#`"X``````$ `.0#@20VD;'*\`1X` M< `!````(@```%)%.B!-4T8@26YT97)M961I871E(%)I9&5R($-O=7)S90`` M``(!<0`!````%@````&\/1'0D?0``/8[R]8```,`!A#8S??5 M`P`'$)L$```>``@0`0```&4```!)1$E$5$A%15A015))14Y#1412241%4D-/ M55)314%&15=914%24T%'3T].35E34E@M-BA+24-+3TY,62E)5%=!4TY45$A! 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I did a cleanout of the carbs on the GW and it seems to be slightly out of whack, carburationally speaking. Thanx. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 08:17:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02266; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25841; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26957; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.30A; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:15:47 -0400 Message-ID: <9CED973301BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <97ED973301BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 8:15:00 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Vanson leathers Importance: High MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway For anyone who might be interested in a new jacket this year and doesn't feel like coughing up blood to obtain one...the Vanson factory rep will be at Battley Cycle this saturday for their open house. Discounts of (I think) 10% on all accessories in the store...including Vanson ( even special order...I asked). So even though 10% off ain't all that much, it's better'n nuthin'. No affiliation with Battley Cycles, blah, blah, blah... Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:12:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02637; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26225; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from medlantic.mhg.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29077; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by medlantic.mhg.edu id AA15387 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:12:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199706061312.AA15387@medlantic.mhg.edu> Received: by medlantic.mhg.edu (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:12:14 -0400 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Ticket Question Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 09:06:00 EST Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hey Gang: I was heading home from work yesterday and at a four way stop, slowed, looked, saw no oncoming traffic, and made my right turn without coming to a full stop. Do you come to a full stop when riding if you don't need to? Anyway a cop stopped me and gave me a DC Moving Violation for a Stop Sign Violation. The fine is $50 which sucks, but is manageable. Does anyone know if this violation warrants points and will a DC infraction show up on my MD license? Any other thoughts or suggestions? TIA Bill (Moses) McLoone '82 Suzuki GS-450TXz (SOLD) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (SOLD) Silver Spring, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (Blizzard) 1-800-AMA-JOIN Blue Knights-MD I "Ride with Pride" "Ride No Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly." - Kathryn Voth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 11:43:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04200; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28583; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07187; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.0) for ; id LAA185.90; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:41:42 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970606114402.00981b60@norloff.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 11:44:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ticket Question In-Reply-To: <199706061312.AA15387@medlantic.mhg.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I was heading home from work yesterday and at a four way stop, slowed, >looked, saw no oncoming traffic, and made my right turn without coming to a >full stop. Do you come to a full stop when riding if you don't need to? I very seldom put my feet down at a stop sign (if there's no traffic) but I still come to a full (instantaneous) stop, then move out. With the number of aggressive drivers and red-light runners around, and the attention these scumbags are getting, now is not the time to roll through stop signs. > Anyway a cop stopped me and gave me a DC Moving Violation for a Stop Sign >Violation. The fine is $50 which sucks, but is manageable. Does anyone >know if this violation warrants points and will a DC infraction show up on >my MD license? Any other thoughts or suggestions? I suppose it's a moving violation (duh!), which means it will show up on your insurance report, too. Probably you should at least go to court and say you had no intention of running the stop sign, but with no traffic coming you may have rolled through too fast and you're very very VERY sorry, etc. If the cop says you didn't come to a complete stop 'cause you didn't put your feet down, you can practice full stops with your feet up, and go to court to plead your case, and request to show your skill to the judge. I have no idea if this would work, but I doubt the law says your shoes' soles must touch the pavement, it says only that vehicles must cease forward motion. One of the perhaps-urban-legends of motorcycling is of a Trials rider ticketed for failure to stop, in that he didn't put his feet down. He showed the judge he could keep his feet up for several minutes while stopped, and got off the ticket. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 12:03:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04362; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28880; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08162; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15634 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706061603.MAA15634@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Ticket Question Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:02:40 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with this statement: > If the cop says you didn't come to a complete stop 'cause you didn't put > your feet down, you can practice full stops with your feet up, and go to > court to plead your case, and request to show your skill to the judge. I > have no idea if this would work, but I doubt the law says your shoes' soles > must touch the pavement, it says only that vehicles must cease forward > motion. IMHO you have a 95% chance they will throw out the charge and you will pay only court costs. I doubt they will fine you or put it on your record, but you will certainly have to pay the court fees. Is it worth $50 and the traffic offense on your record? To be 100% safe, I would video tape several successful stop & gas without touching down and present this to the judge (should he have any doubts about your case). Also mention that the law doesn't state you have to touch the ground with your feet when operating a motorcycle, only stopping long enough to make the decision to continue. I seriously doubt they will even bother viewing the tape. > One of the perhaps-urban-legends of motorcycling is of a Trials > rider ticketed for failure to stop, in that he didn't put his feet down. > He showed the judge he could keep his feet up for several minutes while > stopped, and got off the ticket. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 12:07:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04418; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28956; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08339; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA18598 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca002.xcg.northgrum.com ([157.127.135.254]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA23766 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca002.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC7258.F3CD2E50@XXXXXX>; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:06:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles'" Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:06:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, June 06, 1997 11:44 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Ticket Question --snip-- > >If the cop says you didn't come to a complete stop 'cause you didn't put >your feet down, you can practice full stops with your feet up, and go to >court to plead your case, and request to show your skill to the judge. I >have no idea if this would work, but I doubt the law says your shoes' soles >must touch the pavement, it says only that vehicles must cease forward >motion. One of the perhaps-urban-legends of motorcycling is of a Trials >rider ticketed for failure to stop, in that he didn't put his feet down. >He showed the judge he could keep his feet up for several minutes while >stopped, and got off the ticket. > Actually this happened to me, and I don't even ride trials! ;-) A cop stopped me for running a sign because I "never put my feet down". I argued (expressed politely) to the officer that I come to a complete stop quite often and never put my feet down. He said if I could do it, then he wouldn't ticket me. So, I went back to the stop sign, he watched me, I did it, and he did not ticket me. I almost pissed him off at the end though, when I told him he should have known it was possible since it _is_ part of the VA motorcycle test. I remember in the test, they set up a straight line of cones and ask you to accelerate, and "stop" at each one without putting your feet down to simulate stop and go freeway traffic. Anywhooo, I think that talking your way out of it, is on a case by case basis. If you get a sympathetic judge, you may be ok. However, from your original post Bill, it sounds kinda like you _did_ roll through it. :-) Later, chris PS If you go to court, the cop may not show anyway, and they can drop the ticket. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 13:26:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05270; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29713; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minet.marriott.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12188; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mih.marriott.com by minet.marriott.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21579; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:23:39 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mih.marriott.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA865618264; Fri, 06 Jun 97 13:31:05 -0500 Message-Id: <9706068656.AA865618264@mih.marriott.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 13:30:39 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouzbakht" To: , Subject: Re[2]: Ticket Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know, this incident reminds me of a little comic strip I saw in the Motorcyclist Magazine a few years back. It showed a cop pulling over a motorist because he ran a Stop sign. The cop was bashing him on the head with his club and he kept saying "Now do you want me to slow down, or do you want me to STOP !!!" That little strip has been burnt into my mind about how a cop would feel when you don't quite stop at a stop sign. So I always stop, even if it's a half second or so. >I was heading home from work yesterday and at a four way stop, slowed, >looked, saw no oncoming traffic, and made my right turn without coming to a >full stop. Do you come to a full stop when riding if you don't need to? > Anyway a cop stopped me and gave me a DC Moving Violation for a Stop Sign >Violation. The fine is $50 which sucks, but is manageable. Does anyone >know if this violation warrants points and will a DC infraction show up on >my MD license? Any other thoughts or suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 13:47:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05485; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00959; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from medlantic.mhg.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13238; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by medlantic.mhg.edu id AA19719 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:47:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199706061747.AA19719@medlantic.mhg.edu> Received: by medlantic.mhg.edu (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:47:37 -0400 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Ticket Question Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 13:42:00 EST Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Anywhooo, I think that talking your way out of it, is on a case by case >basis. If you get a sympathetic judge, you may be ok. However, from >your original post Bill, it sounds kinda like you _did_ roll through it. :-) >Later, >chris I'm not denying that I rolled through it, never did. I am really just trying to find out what the chances of the points following me is. I'm kind of annoyed because I wasn't unsafe or intentionally trying to run a stop. It was a four way stop, I slowed down, almost stopped, saw no oncoming traffic in any direction, and made my right turn safely. I can't argue that I didn't do it but it was a minor thoughtless infraction and I'd rather not pay huge insurance premiums for the next three years. I guess I need to become more attentive of making complete 3 second stops...can't remember the last time I did that, bike or cage. Bill (Moses) McLoone '82 Suzuki GS-450TXz (SOLD) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (SOLD) Silver Spring, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (Blizzard) 1-800-AMA-JOIN Blue Knights-MD I "Ride with Pride" "Ride No Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly." - Kathryn Voth ------- End of Forwarded Message From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 16:11:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07348; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05222; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20138; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA11008; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970606161032_-1263098701@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: VFR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR parts Fiche, also CB750K1-6, F Hey, y'all I have the 90-96 VFR parts Fiche, and will soon have the 86-87. I also have a fiche reader (very important), and years of auto parts experience. If you have a question that your dealer's parts folks can't (won't) answer, I'll give it a shot. I also have old CB750 fiche, and the parts history. I can make 8.5x11 paper copies of these fiche, too. It'll probably cost around $0.25 per page. My dealer gave me carte blanche to take any old fiche I wanted, so I also have a spare 90-96VFR fiche, free to the first caller. They had VTR250 and newer Magna, but I didn't get them. Of course, they had almost everything else under the sun as well, but I'm only into VFRs and SOHC 750s. But if you have a request, a fiche reader, and some patience, I'll try to get it for you. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 20:18:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11217; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09875; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04967; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ab2-002.dial.nova.org (ab2-002.dial.nova.org [205.231.232.194]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04439 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:17:42 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket Question Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 00:19:52 GMT Message-ID: <339a6f7d.330644335@mailgate.nova.org> References: <3.0.1.32.19970606114402.00981b60@norloff.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970606114402.00981b60@norloff.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.361 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I was ticketed for running a red light on route 1 in VA it was not a moving violation and therefore, conferred no points. I would call the DC MVA and see if not stopping for a stop sign is a moving violation or not. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 23:32:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12441; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10622; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10949; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:31:17 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA02081; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970606233046_-927485366@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: VFR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR fiche has new home-want VTR250 fiche? Hey, y'all- It seems I did grab that VTR 250 fiche. Anybody want it? Andrew Reveles got the 90-96 VFR fiche. I'm really surprised that so many people have fiche readers. Sorry for the dumb question, but you know you need the machine to read these, right? If I don't get too many requests, maybe my dealer will let me get other fiche free for you. They have Kawasaki, Suzuki, Honda, and SeaDoo. If you have specific requests, I'll take a shot at it when I can. And I'll be happy to make paper copies of these things for those without readers. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 00:50:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13410; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12669; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12610; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.30.46.220] (ip220.washington10.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.46.220]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04236 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:49:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706061603.MAA15634@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:52:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Ticket Question >I agree with this statement: > >> If the cop says you didn't come to a complete stop 'cause you didn't put >> your feet down, you can practice full stops with your feet up, and go to >> court to plead your case, and request to show your skill to the judge. I >> have no idea if this would work, but I doubt the law says your shoes' >soles >> must touch the pavement, it says only that vehicles must cease forward >> motion. > >IMHO you have a 95% chance they will throw out the charge and you will >pay only court costs. I doubt they will fine you or put it on your record, >but >you will certainly have to pay the court fees. I beleive that a full stop is considered to include feet on the ground. I'm not sure if it is written into the code, but a quick trip to the library would answer that question. As far as taking it to court, a friend had a similar ticket, and got out of it by telling the judge "of course I stopped: I saw the cop (officer - never call a cop a cop in court!) sitting at X location. He was reading a magazine or something" The judge will ask the cop if it is true, and if the officer even hesitates, the judge will usually dismiss. This will only work if the cop was stationary, not behind you in traffic. Another tack that would work if the cop was stationary would be to say that you put your foot down out of the line of sight of the cop i.e. on the opposite side of the bike than the officer. BTW - if the judge dismisses, you don't have to pay anything. You only have to pay if you plead guilty with an explaination and the points are dropped. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 17:54:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20115; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16280; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11440; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA20404; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialin51.annex4.radix.net (dialin51.annex4.radix.net [204.157.139.102]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA16562; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dialin51.annex4.radix.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BC736B.40C553A0@XXXXXX>; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:50:14 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC736B.40C553A0@dialin51.annex4.radix.net> From: Dave Yates President & CEO To: DC-Cycles List , "'McLoone, William J.'" Subject: RE: Ticket Question LONG Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:49:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, eventually, this will show up on your Md. Drivers license. I = notice that none of your bikes are wallet breakers on insurance, but if = you have full coverage on anything but an econobox, your rates will = probably go up. The vehicle code is available at the public libraries, = it's free, so make use of it & find out if you absolutely must put your = feet down. If not, Berg's idea about the video would be a damn good = piece of evidence... but you probably won't get the chance to show it. = If you choose to fight the ticket you can statistically increase your = chances for success by continuance(s) as many as they will let you have. = Do it. Be prepared to be there all day for each appearance you must = make. If the officer doesn't make it because he has to testify for a = DWI fatality or something else important, you win. OK, you've continued = & he still shows up, now what? Interrogate him. ask him to recite the = code, determine his exact location at the time of the alleged violation = in relation to you, how much traffic. This is important, if his view = was obstructed during your stop for even 1 1/1000 of a second, he is not = a credible witness, move for a dismissal. Know the answer to every question you ask the officer before you ask it. = Never get excited or lose your composure. If you really want to play = hardball, you can subpoena his ticket records & see if he writes an = inordinate amount of Motorcycle tickets, more tickets to men than women, = blacks than whites, etc... My last out of state infraction I hired a lawyer for & had it pled to a = non moving violation of improper equipment ( N.C. ). $300 for lawyer, = $55 fine, $30 court costs. Much cheaper than raised rates on my ZX 11 = :-) Hope this helps,=20 Dave Yates '90 ZX11 PS Check out the NMA webpage, it contains a plethora of ticket fighting = knowledge. =20 ---------- From: McLoone, William J.[SMTP:wjm1@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 06, 1997 10:06 AM To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Ticket Question Hey Gang: I was heading home from work yesterday and at a four way stop, slowed,=20 looked, saw no oncoming traffic, and made my right turn without coming = to a=20 full stop. Do you come to a full stop when riding if you don't need to? = Anyway a cop stopped me and gave me a DC Moving Violation for a Stop = Sign=20 Violation. The fine is $50 which sucks, but is manageable. Does anyone = know if this violation warrants points and will a DC infraction show up = on=20 my MD license? Any other thoughts or suggestions? TIA Bill (Moses) McLoone '82 Suzuki GS-450TXz (SOLD) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (SOLD) Silver Spring, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (Blizzard) 1-800-AMA-JOIN Blue Knights-MD I "Ride with Pride" "Ride No Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly." - Kathryn Voth=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 20:58:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20844; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16753; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16598; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27129; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.177.25.196]) by mail.his.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA21093; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970604214451.00733918@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 20:55:53 -0400 To: Kirk Roy 301-594-5680 FAX 301-594-2503 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: WTB: Rear mc tire Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:43 AM 6/4/97 -0400, you wrote: > >but, for some reason, they are clean out right now. If you have a >160/60/17 in good condition for the street let me know. My preference >is the Washington, DC area. > There is a summit event in two weeks. You could bring your rim up there & get one cheap. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 22:57:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21378; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17227; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19790; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:56:05 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA08590 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970607225534_-827266626@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: any fiche you want --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: any fiche you want Date: 97-06-07 22:49:29 EDT From: KLThomas77 To: vfr@XXXXXX Hey, y'all- By the way, your dealer can sell you a brand new fiche for about anything for $7 to $10. If yours won't, like I always say, get a new dealer. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 11:54:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25134; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21574; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05818; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial41.netsys.hn [207.42.181.3]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28498; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:47:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <339AD4C2.5882@netsys.hn> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 09:50:26 -0600 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: Curacao de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garcia Oliver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Suzuki Listing Subject: Back to bikes, please!!! :) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Perhaps, if English is not your native language (it's not mine), > you may be missing that, even though you write very well. In any case, I > would ask you to generally assume that members of this list are > well-intentioned, even if sometimes our choice of words or tone permits > a less-charitable interpretation. > > What do you think? > > --garcia Well, maybe, just maybe you are right! :) Yes, my native language is not english but as life has gone by, it has basically become my day to day comunication vehicle. This is due to the fact that I am married to a "gringa", have a "gringuita daughter" and worked for foreign corporations for more than 15 years already. See, my problem is not the language or a misinterpretation of it. If you ask me, rude is rude and unfortunately I believe in respecting others; then again, who am I, right? I appreciate your concern and thank your "good intention" in trying to help me understand behaviors that again "unfortunately" are not considered "normal" in my "narrow and latino" way of thinking. I still stand by my point that it is easier to just answer directly to that lost soul and give a little help (I've done it). Consider the fact that for those attempting to get on the list it really sounds a little unwelcome to receive such an answer instead of a warm " vrooomm, welcome :) what do you ride and how can you inject wisdom to this club or list?" I'd like to ask you and everybody else on the lists to let this matter just go by and get back to our beloved Motorcycles World. I solemnly promise everybody that I'll stop intruding (hey, maybe I should ride an Intruder :) , good idea huh?) and keep my reactions to myself. If apologies are in order please accept mine. And now...........vvrroooooommmmmmm, see ya all on the road! :) -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 '94 BMW 325 ic Tegucigalpa, Honduras From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 15:10:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26578; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22295; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12457; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial41.netsys.hn [207.42.181.3]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25940; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:04:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <339B02FE.6AC2@netsys.hn> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 13:07:42 -0600 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: Curacao de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Suzuki Listing CC: kiernan@XXXXXX Subject: Check this out! :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys and gals, Just found a very interesting site for internet-mail ordering! Hope you like it as much as I did! -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 '94 BMW 325 ic From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 15:29:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27189; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22469; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.premiernet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14096; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Scranium.tocnet.com (slip08.premiernet.net [205.229.224.9]) by mail.premiernet.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA25345; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <339B08BD.2831@premiernet.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 14:32:13 -0500 From: "Richard A. Watkins" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Raul F. Zelaya" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Suzuki Listing , kiernan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Check this out! :) References: <339B02FE.6AC2@netsys.hn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Raul F. Zelaya wrote: > > Guys and gals, > > Just found a very interesting site for internet-mail ordering! Hope you > like it as much as I did! > -- > Raul F. 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tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29895; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23350; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21450; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA13984 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:54:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA01520 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.144]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA368 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:54:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Check this out! :) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970608205412.AAA368@localHost> -->Uhm...hmm. Hey raul...er your fergot to list the url / address. --> --> Be hearing from you soon?:-) --> -->Todd Message-ID: <339B02FE.6AC2@netsys.hn> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 13:07:42 -0600 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: Curacao de Honduras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Suzuki Listing CC: kiernan@XXXXXX Subject: Check this out! :) Guys and gals, Just found a very interesting site for internet-mail ordering! Hope you like it as much as I did! -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 '94 BMW 325 ic From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 22:21:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03520; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24667; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06363; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial41.netsys.hn [207.42.181.3]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA26267; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:16:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <339B6828.18D6@netsys.hn> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 20:19:20 -0600 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: Curacao de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suzuki Listing , dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: kiernan@XXXXXX Subject: Sorry guys, my mistake ooops! :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys and Gals, Earlier today I sent you an e-mail with supposedly a URL address in it, but it was not 'til now that I found out that I forgot to include the address. sorry for the inconvinience. The address is: http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ Hope you like it! :) -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 '94 BMW 325 ic From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 06:40:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA07832; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29120; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA18028; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id GAA08487 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:35:29 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma008467; Mon, 9 Jun 97 06:35:06 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id GAA13264 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA865852803; Mon, 09 Jun 97 06:40:03 -0500 Message-Id: <9706098658.AA865852803@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 97 06:36:15 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: hookie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who's free to go play in the sun tomorrow afternoon? It's supposed to be absolutly beautiful... warm and sunny... Now you ALL can't sit there and say you're going to pass up a wonderfull opportunity.... can you? Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 07:26:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA07997; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29222; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19433; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id HAA01266; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <339C109A@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Jun 97 07:18:02 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B." To: Brian McCoy , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: hookie Date: Mon, 09 Jun 97 07:14:00 PDT Message-ID: <339C109A@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Brian, you missed a great ride yesterday. Kevin, me and a couple others (not on the list) took a ride out to West Virginia by way of Point of Rocks, MD. We are talking about taking another ride this weekend for anyone who is interested. It will probably be in VA somewhere. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >Who's free to go play in the sun tomorrow afternoon? It's supposed to > be absolutly beautiful... warm and sunny... Now you ALL can't sit > there and say you're going to pass up a wonderfull opportunity.... can > you? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 07:58:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08129; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29365; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20344; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04239 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:56:22 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:56:22 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Brian McCoy , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: hookie Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:55:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT, 44 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Strangely enough, I have tomorrow scheduled off (not sure how this happened.... -----Original Message----- From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 7:36 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: hookie Who's free to go play in the sun tomorrow afternoon? It's supposed to be absolutly beautiful... warm and sunny... Now you ALL can't sit there and say you're going to pass up a wonderfull opportunity.... can you? Brian begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@,+`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````1#=%1#,Q M1C,Y0T4P1# Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`/ `' ``0````L```!213H@:&]O:VEE```" M`7$``0```!8````!O'3,`HCS,>W9X)P1T)'T``#V.\O6```#``80$HY[H0,` M!Q!C`0``'@`($ $```!E````4U1204Y'14Q914Y/54=(+$E(059%5$]-3U)2 M3U=30TA%1%5,141/1D8H3D]44U5214A/5U1(25-(05!014Y%1"TM+2TM3U)) M1TE.04Q-15-304=%+2TM+2U&4D]-.D)224%.30`````#`! 0``````,`$1 ` M`````@$)$ $```!U`@``<0(``(H#``!,6D9UOBNI`P,`"@!R8W!G,3(U=C(` M] 'W( *D`^,"`&.": K 0_'-A%W ?,QP6'D0>$0L3P1Y&:2TQ M-#0!0!V0.#$X, % #- BTV(@JD8#83H,@V(0H$('(1D#H$UC"% 7H%M334!4 M4#IB;6,%H'E,0&T-X -@6,9H,AS0&,FT'5M&\ 9 M<7$G.'5B:AYQ)&<:P&]^:PB0(-\AZAV4"[8<*2#U,C)7&L G!" #4 G@&*'\ M(&1-Z!A." &D!F0Z1O1('<*P&TU$"BP-$+4;GDY M`DX9$7D(8!"P4$Q,(&,`<"<:46E_!4$QZ#01&I$YDS.Q.J$G]QJ1,V +@& "" &``````# M````````1@`````8A0```````!X`"( (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#:% M```!`````0`````````>``F "" &``````# ````````1@`````WA0```0`` M``$`````````'@`*@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````.(4```$````!```` M``````,`)@```````P`V```````"`?D_`0```!X`````````W*= R,!"$!JT MN0@`*R_A@@$`````````+@```!X`^#\!````%0```%-Y X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 97 11:22:21 -0800 To: Subject: 1980 Yamaha XS400SG for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, now that I am back on the list, I have no more excuses and must announce that I need to sell my bike. I bought about a year and a half ago from John Schaaf who some of you may know. It had been sitting a while, but started up very easily after a minor tune up. I have put a great deal of money and care into in the past year, including a $200 tune up from Crossroads Cycles over the winter. The only major problem is the electric starter is not up to par. It works, but not very well, and generally seems to drain the battery more than is healthy, so I have become accustomed to the kick start. I have found this to be a great beginner bike. It was small enough to learn on, but big enough to keep up with other people on rides. I took it on a 5 day Eastern Shore tour last summer and had no problems. I am selling it for personal reasons, not because I am unhappy with the bike. Anyway: Yamaha XS400SG (one of the 400 Special class) with Haynes Manual @ 12,500 miles $500 Joe Snider work: 703-873-2916 home: 703-920-6347 joe_snider@XXXXXX or jsnider@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 16:42:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19340; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08199; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26557; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.30.47.112] (ip112.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.112]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20868 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:41:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <339C109A@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:43:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: RE: hookie >Brian, you missed a great ride yesterday. Kevin, me and a couple others >(not on the list) took a ride out to West Virginia by way of Point of >Rocks, MD. > >We are talking about taking another ride this weekend for anyone who is >interested. It will probably be in VA somewhere. > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@XXXXXX Glenn and everyone on the list: Shameless promotion of my sport of choice! It's a race weekend at Summit Point, and it's a nice ride to the track. $20 gets you in for both days, camping is available, and it would be great to see y'all there in support of the event. Swing by my pit for a cold soda! Blue awning, 2 rather tatty looking hawks. I'm CCS#425. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 18:32:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22703; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10532; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06859; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:31:38 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA23074; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970609183102_-1094867357@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: VFR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFs&VFR seen in MD&W.VA sunday Hey, y'all I saw 2 VF interceptors (or maybe the same one twice) near Charles Town W VA sunday. One may have been ridden by a woman, and was with a Hurricane. Also possibly a red VFR out of the corner of my eye on Rt 28 near Poolesville. I was with a V65 Sabre, a V30 Magna, and a GSXR750 on my blue&silver VFR700. Were any of those folks any of you? Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 23:17:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00443; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17939; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29838; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id XAA13817 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:14:15 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma013815; Mon, 9 Jun 97 23:14:07 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id XAA23607 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA865912745; Mon, 09 Jun 97 23:19:07 -0500 Message-Id: <9706098659.AA865912745@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 97 23:15:23 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Races.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So.. Who else is going to be at Summit Point this weekend? Any Racers... how about corner-workers? Personally, I'll be there 7am each morning to do some corner-work.. and encourage anyone and everyone to do the same... It's about the best way to watch the races IMHO. I'll be the one walking about (on Sat.) with the white t-shirt that says 'Cars Suck' on the front... don't be shy if ya see me arround. Ride safe everyone... Brian 86 Honda VF500F 'scrappy' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 08:58:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09549; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12891; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09797; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial41.netsys.hn [207.42.181.3]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA08844; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:55:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <339EA06E.342@netsys.hn> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:56:14 -0600 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: Curacao de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suzuki Listing CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Now all (Scandinavians) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A good idea!! > > Start list (Countries in alphabetical order): > > Country: > Name, City, Bike, E-Mail > > Norway: > Geir Regstad Aamodt, Oslo, 1991 GSX750F, gaa@XXXXXX or > geir.regstad.aamodt@XXXXXX > > USA: > Jeff Wallace, , GSXR-1100WT, jeffw@XXXXXX > > Honduras: > Raul F. Zelaya, Tegucigalpa, GSX-F 750, rfzelaya@XXXXXX > Is there some more information that would be interesting to include? > (Were we work, phonenumbers, if you like moose meat or not etc.....) How about homepages if any? :) Gang, I really like this idea :) Finally I am getting the feeling that beside bikers and bikes, we're also interested in using the full power of the net and proving that this world is not about boundaries but about sharing and frienship. Here's to this thread!! :) Hey, I've got an idea :O What about restarting the logo idea, whichever of the three options we had but now adding a circle of flags of member's countries around it? :) That way we can all ride showing the rest of the world that at least we can prove that the world is ONE! -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 '94 BMW 325 ic Tegucigalpa, Honduras From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 11:15:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10976; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15823; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m9.sprynet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16740; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server (hd49-125.hil.compuserve.com [199.174.229.125]) by m9.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA04279; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:14:32 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:14:52 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC7658.AF2DB860@mgroves02@sprynet.com> From: Mark Groves To: "Suzuki Mail-List (E-mail)" , "DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)" Subject: Summit Point Race CCS Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:14:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4025 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just wondering if anyone knows what kind of bikes run in this CCS class. I was thinking of going to Summit Point thing weekend and was just wondering what I was going to see. I would imagine that there will be a lot of sportbike riders there. Does anyone know how much it costs to go on Saturday? Thanks, Mark Groves Powerlink Technologies http://www.powerlinkusa.com mgroves02@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 13:07:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12309; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18257; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22568; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:04:27 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:03:49 -0400 From: Sandy TRIOLO To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX, mgroves02@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point Race CCS -Reply BTW I will be going up to Summit on Sat. morning from Silver Spring. Hope to see some of you there!!! sandy <<< Mark Groves 6/11 11:14a >>> I was just wondering if anyone knows what kind of bikes run in this CCS class. I was thinking of going to Summit Point thing weekend and was just wondering what I was going to see. I would imagine that there will be a lot of sportbike riders there. Does anyone know how much it costs to go on Saturday? Thanks, Mark Groves Powerlink Technologies http://www.powerlinkusa.com mgroves02@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 14:30:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15655; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20473; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01976; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:28:58 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA28339 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970611142826_844861925@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: CBR1000 on I-270 this morning Hey, y'all- I saw a CBR1000 on 270 around 10:30 this AM. Rider wore a red Aerostitch and white (I think) helmet. The bike was charcoal gray, mostly. Was that any of you? Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 14:50:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16751; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20933; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04784; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tgimer.smart.net (a2p2dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.34]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28500 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:51:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199706111851.OAA28500@gemini.smart.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:50:38 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Organization: Little or No Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Race CCS -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy TRIOLO wrote: > > BTW I will be going up to Summit on Sat. morning from Silver Spring. > Hope to see some of you there!!! > Where is Summit Point? Please excuse me if the location/directions have been posted, but I can't seem to find that info. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX '90 XR600R '93 XR250R '94 ZX-6E AMA#549096 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 14:56:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16961; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21159; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05487; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: <8C701AD947BED011ABF300805FC1F06203436C@MSEXCHANGE> From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'KLThomas77@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: CBR1000 on I-270 this morning Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:56:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Yes, I confess, that was me. I can't believe it. Aren't you the one who put out the notice about obtaining the micro fiche? What a small world. Let me guess, were you on a blue VFR 750? I live in Gaithersburg so I leave late for work making sure I miss that rush hour morning traffic. Unfortunately that also means I have to leave work late (If I intend on getting some work done Ha.Ha.) Cheers, Amit. > ---------- > From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX[SMTP:KLThomas77@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 2:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: CBR1000 on I-270 this morning > > Hey, y'all- > > I saw a CBR1000 on 270 around 10:30 this AM. Rider wore a red > Aerostitch and > white (I think) helmet. The bike was charcoal gray, mostly. Was that > any of > you? > > > Kevin > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 16:11:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19742; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23259; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13948; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA10161 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:10:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA08526 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA10938 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:10:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Race CCS -Reply X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970611201056.AAA10938@localHost> Message-Id: <199706111851.OAA28500@gemini.smart.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:50:38 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Organization: Little or No Organization To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Race CCS -Reply References: All, Summit Point Raceway P.O. Box 190 Summit Point, WV 25446 Tel: (304) 725-8444 Fax: (304) 728-7124 http://www.bsr-inc.com/bsr/summit/SPR.HTM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 20:00:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26658; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26404; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05994; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([205.177.146.162]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA15463; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970611194506.006951e4@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:45:06 -0400 To: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, 103126.2533@XXXXXX, 74537.1737@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, CPMJ69A@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, DavidW@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, ethyberg@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, GRALNGAA@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, JBerkin@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, Joe_Snider@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, kbass@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, Loupil@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, Michael_Dow@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, names@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, nicole@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, walt@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, EOFFALCON@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Races Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings all, I know a lot of ya'll are headed out to the races at Summit Point this weekend as are we. We'll be heading out at a slightly more reasonable hour than the corner working types. Probably something like 8:30 - 9:00ish. We'll be taking the pickup so for all of you guys and gals out there planning on riding and want someone to haul your stuff that direction, feel free to stop by and trow it in the truck. We're planning on taking a cooler full of drinks, goodies, and various geedunk. For anyone just wanting a familiar name/face to hang around, just look for the biggest redneck you can see near the grandstands along turn 7/8. I know, I know, it's West Virginia. Lot's of rednecks right. Well, we're the ones that still have alll of our teeth and aren't a blood related couple!! Just kidding for all the WVers ou there. Seriously, we'll be in a forest green 4x4 Dodge Dakota Sport with a lightbar on top. Feel free to stop by and have a soda and STS. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 06:51:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05320; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA04770; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00999; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA00278 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:50:27 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:50:27 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Summit Point Race CCS -Reply Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:49:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT, 49 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Where is Summit Point?< Tom - the key is Charles Town WV. For these instructions, I'm assuming that you're coming from the Metro area. >From MD - Take US 340 to Charles Town. Pass through the center of town. 340 will take a left at its' junction with route 51 (traffic light). Continue straignt (onto route 51). Within a mile you will arrive at a "Y" intersection with a stop sign - bear left at the sign and continue to Summit Point (I believe that there is a sign pointing to S.P.) about 9 miles away. The track is after the town (town being defined as a cluster of houses in close proximity beside the tracks). >From VA - Route 9 from Leesburg to its' intersection with 340 in Charles Town. Left onto 340 and follow directions as above. 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M<3R ]F\=(191> =P%Z :H#&@;P"0`0`Z5#F"%```!`````0`````````>``J "" &```` M``# ````````1@`````XA0```0````$``````````P`F```````#`#8````` M``(!^3\!````'@````````# M`````````-RG0,C 0A :M+D(`"LOX8(!`````````"X````>`/H_`0```!4` M``!3>7-T96T@061M:6YI`#T` M`0````4```!213H@``````L`*0``````"P`C```````"`7\``0```#X````\ M8SU54R5A/5\E<#U6:7-A)6P]5DE302].04U%4DE#02\P,# V,D4Q0T!M; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970612065114.00690ae8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:01:40 -0400 To: DC-Cycles List From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Summit Pt Racing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As mentioned, there will be some exciting CCS racing at Summit Point (Just south of Charlestown, WV) this weekend. It's $20 for the weekend and you can camp out at the track friday and/or sat night. Showers are available, but not always hot :) It's a great time an you'll see hundreds of sport bikes. Be sure to stop by the Team Charm pits (near pit-out) and see our latest hardware. We'll be the ones who look like zombies from working on the bikes all week rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 13:20:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09775; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12230; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minet.marriott.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18148; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mih.marriott.com by minet.marriott.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33801; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:16:36 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mih.marriott.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA866136260; Thu, 12 Jun 97 13:24:28 -0500 Message-Id: <9706128661.AA866136260@mih.marriott.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 13:23:00 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouzbakht" To: Subject: Motorcycle Chase on the Beltway Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone see or hear about the high speed motorcycle chase on the Beltway yesterday? I heard that it ended up with the rider crashing on the median. I hope it wasn't anyone on this list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 20:17:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18813; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20488; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19171; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA12847 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA29366 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.223]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA4099 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:15:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Hats Off! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970613001552.AAA4099@localHost> To Coleman Powersport. My typical impression of 'them' is frequently sour. But sometimes it takes just a single experience to recognize that 'they' are all of the people that make 'them' up. And sometimes just one person out of 'those' people can make you think again. I had dropped off a tire and wheel for the ST and returned this afternoon to pick it up. In the mean time I wondered back to the service counter to check out the wheel explosion on their fiche. The guy that helped was someone I had dealt with before and he was happy to oblige. After viewing said fiche, I asked if they were for sale. Yes, for $6.95 each. 'Thanks', said I, and as I was turning to pay for the wheel, he told me I was welcome to sift through the old fiche. If I found what I wanted, it's free! Well, I didn't find the 1991 ST1100. I did find the 1995 (which has a better layout anyway), the 1983 VT500c Shadow and the 1992 CB750 Nitehawk. 'Can I have em'. "Sure"! 'Excellent, and thanks again' :-) Until later, Todd '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' [---------------------------STOC #487----------------------------]] "A life spent in constant anxiety over losing it would be no life at all" -- Hans Hass "Who bravely dares must sometimes risk a fall." --Tobias G. Smollett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 21:01:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19175; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20865; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21071; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id UAA10133; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <33A0C565@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Jun 97 20:58:29 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" , "KLThomas77@XXXXXX" , "'cfagan@XXXXXX'" , "Barbelle14@XXXXXX" , "EOFFALCON@XXXXXX" Subject: Ride anyone? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 20:55:00 PDT Message-ID: <33A0C565@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Anyone up for a ride this weekend? It is supposed to be nice both days so either or both are fine by me. I know plenty of great roads so I can lead or follow. I'll be checking my mail all day tomorrow and early Saturday so let me know if you want to go or leave a message on my machine. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna (703) 658-4870 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 00:54:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25242; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24029; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09331; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:54:12 -0400 (EDT) From: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from dialpm6-25.knight-hub.com (dialpm6-25.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.66]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA16237; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:37:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:37:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199706130437.AAA16237@thehub.knight-hub.com> X-Sender: mobacc@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Todd B Peer" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Hats Off! At 08:13 PM 6/12/97 -0400, Todd B Peer wrote: > > >To Coleman Powersport. . . . I'll echo "Hats Off". Bought a barely-used nice first bike from Coleman this spring. Was aware of some of the archived comments (pos/neg) about them here, and briefly surveyed the competition. CPS keyed in on my needs from the start, made good suggestions, catered to some special requirements and first-bike concerns of mine, handled faxes and phones well, and various department people were courteous and attentive, this over about a six-week period. I tried to do my homework where possible, and, of course, their prices seemed to reflect the value for a competitive major full service retailer. IMHO it's been a good experience. ***Bill Swanson '96 Vulcan 500 >. . . My typical impression of 'them' is frequently >sour. But sometimes it takes just a single experience to recognize >that 'they' are all of the people that make 'them' up. And sometimes >just one person out of 'those' people can make you think again. > >I had dropped off a tire and wheel for the ST and returned this afternoon >to pick it up. In the mean time I wondered back to the service counter >to check out the wheel explosion on their fiche. The guy that helped >was someone I had dealt with before and he was happy to oblige. After >viewing said fiche, I asked if they were for sale. Yes, for $6.95 >each. 'Thanks', said I, and as I was turning to pay for the wheel, >he told me I was welcome to sift through the old fiche. If I found >what I wanted, it's free! > >Well, I didn't find the 1991 ST1100. I did find the 1995 (which has >a better layout anyway), the 1983 VT500c Shadow and the 1992 CB750 >Nitehawk. 'Can I have em'. "Sure"! 'Excellent, and thanks again' >:-) > >Until later, >Todd > '91 ST1100 - 'Blackhorse' ~~~~~~~~~ '92 CB750 - 'Blackpony' >[---------------------------STOC #487----------------------------]] > "A life spent in constant anxiety > over losing it would be no life at all" > -- Hans Hass > "Who bravely dares must sometimes risk a fall." > --Tobias G. Smollett > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 06:52:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA27413; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA26322; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16638; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id GAA01092 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <33A14EEB@XXXXXX>; Fri, 13 Jun 97 06:45:15 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Hats Off! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 06:41:00 PDT Message-ID: <33A14EEB@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Well, we all have our opinions. I have had some good experiences (like the free fiche) from them but unfortunately the bad ones out weigh the good ones by a large margin. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna ---------- >I'll echo "Hats Off". Bought a barely-used nice first bike from Coleman >this spring. Was aware of some of the archived comments (pos/neg) about >them here, and briefly surveyed the competition. CPS keyed in on my needs >from the start, made good suggestions, catered to some special requirements >. . . My typical impression of 'them' is frequently >sour. But sometimes it takes just a single experience to recognize >that 'they' are all of the people that make 'them' up. And sometimes >just one person out of 'those' people can make you think again. > >I had dropped off a tire and wheel for the ST and returned this afternoon >to pick it up. In the mean time I wondered back to the service counter >to check out the wheel explosion on their fiche. The guy that helped From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 07:43:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27568; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26908; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18274; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:43:25 -0400 (EDT) From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA01212 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970613074253_90868330@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point This is going to be a good year for racing at Summit. There is new pavement from turn 3 down the hill to five; a lot of new lap records are being set in cars. I drove it last weekend (Formula Ford) and it was excellent! Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 10:13:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28883; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00135; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trust.edtrust.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24767; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by trust.edtrust.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BC77E2.6330FB80@XXXXXX>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:13:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeremy Wallace To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: summit point saturday morning Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:13:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm thinking to leave DC around 8 am saturday. Any takers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 13:24:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01360; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04953; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05210; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:22:23 -0400 (EDT) From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA09528; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970613105940_318287526@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: mike@XXXXXX, tgimer@?smart?.net, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Race CCS -Reply Easier way from VA (the tow route): Take 7 or the Greenway to Leesburg and continue to take 7 towards Winchester. Cross the mountain, cross the river, cross Rt 340 at Berryville. You will then see a stoplight. About a quarter mile past there will be a green sign on the right that says Summit Point. Turn right. Go to first stop sign/T junction. turn right. got to next stop sign/T junction. turn right. Go 1/4 mile and track is on right. This is 55 easy miles from Cycle Sport/Herndon. The Greenway is good because it is 65 and no lights, but always a cop on it, and a dollar toll with credit card only (they don't take no stinking cash). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 14:01:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01716; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05374; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07214; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA26550 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:01:36 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:01:36 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Summit Point Race CCS -Reply Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:57:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 11 TEXT, 41 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Easier way from VA (the tow route).......< Yeah - but boring... 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Well if they don't take cash then they don't get nothing from me. US currency says right on the note "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private". Did you know that technically pennies are no longer considered legal tender? Anyone now has the right to refuse payment in pennies, even though they are still minted. I still hate the idea that they can demand credit cards and get away with it. Let's organize a group ride, each of us with our bikes and dollar bills, just to prove a point! Horkster ---------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 15:15:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03031; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06659; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11784; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.5/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id PAA29698; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706131914.PAA29698@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: sbeck@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Race CCS -Reply In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:49:24 EDT." <852564B5.0066D3AD.00@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:14:13 -0400 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard sbeck@XXXXXX say: >Well if they don't take cash then they don't get nothing from me. >US currency says right on the note "This note is legal tender for all >debts, public and private". They don't take cash at the unmanned booths.. The main booth where the greenway and the toll road is always manned, so it only really matters if you are getting on somewhere between leesburg and Dulles. ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 16:45:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04473; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09840; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17644; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:44:40 -0400 Message-ID: <8C701AD947BED011ABF300805FC1F062034374@MSEXCHANGE> From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Summit Point Race CCS -Reply Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:44:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) >...each of us with our bikes and dollar bills Better yet, why not just pennies! Amit > ---------- > From: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX[SMTP:dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 13, 1997 3:06 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; sbeck@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Summit Point Race CCS -Reply > > The Greenway is good because it is 65 and no lights, but always > a cop on > it, and a dollar toll with credit card only (they don't take no > stinking > cash). > > Well if they don't take cash then they don't get nothing from > me. > US currency says right on the note "This note is legal tender > for all > debts, public and private". > > Did you know that technically pennies are no longer considered > legal tender? Anyone now has the right to refuse payment in > pennies, even though they are still minted. > > I still hate the idea that they can demand credit cards and get > away with it. Let's organize a group ride, each of us with our > bikes and dollar bills, just to prove a point! > > Horkster > > ---------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 14 19:34:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17332; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27311; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyberport.cyberportal.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27766; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from penworks (plym3-pool-23.cyberportal.net [208.0.180.93]) by cyberport.cyberportal.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11039; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19970614192702.2cf72ff4@mail.cyberportal.net> X-Sender: pentab@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: motorcycle_fans@XXXXXX From: Motorcycle Week Webcast Subject: Live broadcast now - 74th annual Motorcycle Week Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cybercasting now - this weekend - the 74th Annual Motorcycle Week at www.motorcycleweek.com Is there room for 200,000 motorcycles on the web? 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Catch it this weekend at http://www.motorcycleweek.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 14 20:25:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17466; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27533; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29478; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA22122; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA02139; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.162]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAC14085; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:24:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: cb750 , dc-cycles Subject: Poker run 6/22 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970615002417.AAC14085@localHost> There's a PARR Poker run happening next sunday if anyone is interested...Begins at Thunder USA, 14535 Jefferson Davis Hwy in Woodbridge VA. Registration is from 9-11am $8-9 ama/non. Overall length about 150miles. This is a charity run for Vietnam Vets. Let me know if yer interested. I'd like to form a ride party out of springfield va. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 14 22:07:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17993; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27900; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03201; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by mail1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA25066 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33A37836.5B11@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:05:58 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Moto List Subject: Summit Point Serendipity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings DC guys and gals, Today I went out to Summit Point (spur of the moment decision) and after riding around a bit, stopped at the Refreshments stand by the paddock. As it turned out I ran into Dr. John (the day tripper - of CAMS fame) and found myself recruited to be cornering for MARRC. Great fun! Turn #5 of "The Carousel" saw little action today requiring rapid intervention, but most of the races were pretty good - including the mock-race of MARRC Racing School newbies. All in all, Summit Point was a blast today. Even got a chance to take the ole' Interceptor around the track too :^D Almost lost it in the first turn I hit (#6) because the sides of my tires were wet from the grass I was parked on - duh... Rain did hit me hard on the Dulles toll road (Cash or Fastoll only - I always seem to find cash on the ground so I made some money today ;) but no problemo. Made it home a bit tired but happy. JK ======================================================================== John C. Kozyn |"When we have just gotten out of the way of a 1985 VF700F | vehicle, we are most in danger of being run over." "Interceptor" | http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn/ (F. Nietzsche) ======================================================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 14 23:00:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18206; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28433; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04965; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as3s24.erols.com [207.172.111.151]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA15583 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970614230050.006c045c@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:00:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Summit Races-got a entrance bracelet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy Ya'll, I know it's last minute notice, but my wife isn't going to go back out to the races tomorrow so we have an extra bracelet thingy that they put on you. I'll be heading out from the house around 7 in the morning, and I'll be up from 5 on. I live in West Falls Church, so if anyone wants it, holler (it sure beats the $20 they want to get in!!! Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 15 09:15:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21038; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 09:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02293; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 09:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16997; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 09:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.116.64.177]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA170 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:15:03 +0000 Message-ID: <33A3E990.4041@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 09:09:36 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: MORROWS@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Loudoun County Ride today Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone interested in joining me in an afternoon ride in and around Loudoun County? I'm going to church now (it's 9:15) I'll check my mail at 11:00 AM and plan to leave around noon. I'll be riding the VX800 instead of one of the Ducatis - this will be a relaxing, moderately paced ride - NOT a sprint! Tim -- Tim Morrow Herndon, Va. Morrows@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 15 13:40:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21957; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03235; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25015; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10912; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:40:35 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from explorer2.clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.5]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA13900 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by explorer2.clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA03673 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:36:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: explorer2.clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:36:25 -0400 (EDT) To: DC Cycles Subject: FS 1986 Yamaha FJ1200 - $2400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Bike has 32K, very clean, garaged, runs great. Call for more details. 703-802-9363 <--home -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 15 22:06:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01713; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06835; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27889; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial42.netsys.hn [207.42.181.4]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08494; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:03:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33A49F26.46DE@netsys.hn> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:04:23 -0600 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: Curacao de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: superdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Suzuki Listing Subject: Responsiblity Article Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave: Just read your posted article in the http://www.sportriders.com/ URL ->Bulletin Board->Newest pages added-> Responsibility and thought it was a great insight. I was planning on Copy/Paste it as en e-mail to the lists but preffered giving you that honor. The only part that I couldn't avoid copying is you final remark.. "A responsible rider and a responsible driver can enjoy their respective mounts on the street every day, providing they do it in a place and at a time which the surroundings warrant"....can't agree with you more. CONGRATS :-) Fellow riders, read it, you won't regret it! Have a nice week! -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 '94 BMW 325 ic Tegucigalpa, Honduras From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 10:16:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08523; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12883; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21034; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000157.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.169]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA08699 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:16:18 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9706161016.AA23014@204.91.98.131> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:16:23 -0400 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 600 Mile Maintenance Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Hi All! My 750 Nighthawk needs it's first maintenance at 600 miles. I bought the bike in Warrenton at Blalock Cycles, but I live in Herndon, so I'm wondering where is a good place to go locally for maintenance work (Herndon area/Fairfax area). Also, dealer or independant mechanic? Thanks! Matt elliottm@XXXXXX 95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 10:46:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08857; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14134; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22699; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA04346; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <33A57BC4@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Jun 97 10:45:40 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Matt Elliott - DIGEX Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: 600 Mile Maintenance Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 10:42:00 PDT Message-ID: <33A57BC4@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Matt, there is a mom and pop Honda place in Leesburg. I think its called Hall's Honda. I was in there several years ago and they seemed like nice people but I have never had any work done there. Should be any easy shot from Herndon. I found their number on Bigbook its: (703) 777-1652. good luck Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >My 750 Nighthawk needs it's first maintenance at 600 miles. I bought the bike >in Warrenton at Blalock Cycles, but I live in Herndon, so I'm wondering where >is a good place to go locally for maintenance work (Herndon area/Fairfax >area). Also, dealer or independant mechanic? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 12:14:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10294; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15964; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28103; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09479 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:13:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199706161613.MAA09479@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: MICRON PIPES Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:12:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of a web site for Micron Exhaust? I can't seem to locate them on the web (for lack of looking I suppose). Bergie '95 ZX-11D (w/Muzzy Titanium) Email: bergie@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 12:33:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10599; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16674; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gates.ejbell.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29277; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gates.ejbell.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:38:26 -0400 Message-ID: <31794BF4BD72CF11BC3F0040C71114F819EE34@gates.ejbell.com> From: "Gilley, Lester" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: MICRON PIPES Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:38:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain they say in thier adds that it is www.micron-exhaust.com but I've never gotten it to work. Perhaps they added it to their add before they looked at the cost of running a web site. > ---------- > From: Bergie Frazier Jr[SMTP:bergie@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 16, 1997 12:12 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: MICRON PIPES > > Does anyone know of a web site for Micron Exhaust? > I can't seem to locate them on the web (for lack of > looking I suppose). > > > Bergie > '95 ZX-11D (w/Muzzy Titanium) > Email: bergie@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 12:58:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11219; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16943; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssnet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01703; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (leader@localhost) by ssnet.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA07785; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:19:56 -0400 (EDT) From: my own worst nightmare To: Matt Elliott - DIGEX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 600 Mile Maintenance In-Reply-To: <9706161016.AA23014@204.91.98.131> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > My 750 Nighthawk needs it's first maintenance at 600 miles. I bought the bike > in Warrenton at Blalock Cycles, but I live in Herndon, so I'm wondering where > is a good place to go locally for maintenance work (Herndon area/Fairfax > area). Also, dealer or independant mechanic? if you value your warranty, i'd suggest dealer. especially if you got an extended one, as well. seth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 13:15:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12016; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17324; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-1dms0.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03685; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pentagon-inet.army.mil (PENTAGON-INET.army.pentagon.mil [134.11.194.110]) by pentagon-1dms0.army.mil (8.7.4/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA06397 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pentagon-inet.army.mil with Microsoft Mail id <33A59E62@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Jun 97 13:13:22 PDT From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: MICRON PIPES Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 13:10:00 PDT Message-ID: <33A59E62@pentagon-inet.army.mil> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I just tried the site myself. The site exists but there are no images or anything. It looks like I FTP there instead. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >they say in thier adds that it is www.micron-exhaust.com but I've never >gotten it to work. Perhaps they added it to their add before they >looked at the cost of running a web site. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 23:16:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24276; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26192; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16382; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:15:12 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA09005; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970616231238_24124538@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: jolie@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Ride (crash) report - kinda long Hey, y'all- Something I picked up off the VFR list. I know he's talking to me (jeans, leather jacket, gloves, Quantum S). What about you? Kevin --------------------- Forwarded message: From: cnbmyhre@XXXXXX (Chris & Brandie Myhre) Sender: owner-vfr@XXXXXX Reply-to: vfr@XXXXXX To: VFR@XXXXXX Date: 97-06-16 22:20:46 EDT This weekend, I had the good fortune to meet fellow lister Andrew Reveles, keeper of our lister pictures page. Hell of a nice guy, and a real enthusiast. We met for a day ride, a dry run for a possible future ride for AZ listers. The route was up through Yarnell from Phoenix to Prescott, then through Jerome and Sedona to Flagstaff. Unfortunately, we didn't quite make it to Prescott. I was leading, about 100 yards ahead of Andrew, in a section of HWY 89 known as 'the Spars'. This is a 16 mile run of corners marked 20-25mph, with a few faster sweepers. We were running a moderate pace, 6-7/10's, and traffic was light. I was checking my mirror regularly, and realized that Andrew was no longer behind me. A short, tense wait; no Andrew. Shit. I go back, and Andrew is down. SHIT. He went down in roadside gravel at around forty mph. SHIT! I'll let Andrew tell you the details, because he was there, and I wasn't. What I will tell you is to BUY LEATHERS or other ABRASION PROTECTION. Andrew was wearing his helmet, boots and fortunately, brand new tourmaster gloves. The gloves saved him from injury to his hands. The jeans and sweatshirt didn't. I'll let Andrew tell you about his experience at the hospital with the doctor cleaning the gravel out of the inside of his knee. It didn't look fun. The abrasions on his arms weren't as bad, but didn't look like fun either. Andrew had told me that morning that he had looked at a set of leathers that week, but held off buying them. He'll tell you that was a mistake. I'm not posting this to embarrass Andrew, and he shouldn't be, because we all screw up. I've been down. Many other listers have been down. It can happen any time, and it doesn't matter how good you are, or how careful you are; sooner or later, the odds will catch up. It might be a sport ride, or a cage, it doesn't really matter. If you are WEARING some kind of protective gear, you WILL be better off. I know there are cases when it won't help, but if it's that bad, nothing will. I also know how tight money can get, especially when you just blew your wad on a new bike. Good gear is the best investment you can make. Buy it instead of the Staintune, or the Throttlemeister, or whatever. Just buy it and wear it. << Soapbox mode off >> Sorry to vent, but if one of you goes out and buys gear you didn't have because of reading this, I'm happy. Andrew, I'm sorry you went down, but I'm glad you're OK! Ride safe... ____________________________________________________________________________ ___________ Chris & Brandie Myhre '96 VFR - two wheel toy cnbmyhre@XXXXXX '66 Bronco - resto ride Skull Valley, AZ '89 Mustang - drag car '96 Probe - commuter ____________________________________________________________________________ ___________ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 23:39:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24372; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26408; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17224; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.116.67.193]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA20070; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 03:38:28 +0000 Message-ID: <33A60551.344B@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:32:33 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: MORROWS@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride (crash) report References: <970616231238_24124538@emout10.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KLThomas77@XXXXXX wrote: > Something I picked up off the VFR list. I know he's talking to me (jeans, > leather jacket, gloves, Quantum S). What about you? > What I will tell you is to BUY LEATHERS or other ABRASION PROTECTION. > Andrew was wearing his helmet, boots and fortunately, brand new tourmaster > gloves. The gloves saved him from injury to his hands. The jeans and > sweatshirt didn't. This is why I bought and wear a 1-piece Aerostitch. I've always worn a jacket, gloves, boots and helmet, but last year I decided I just wasn't comfortable with jeans as my only leg protection anymore. No, I didn't crash, but something just told me it was time to get better coverage. I hope I don't ever need it, but if I do, I want to have it on, ready to protect me from having to experience something akin to what was described in the referenced post. -- Tim Morrow Herndon, Va. Morrows@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 23:39:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24371; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26405; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17221; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA23328 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970616233801_239896903@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 600 Mile Maintenance In a message dated 97-06-16 10:23:17 EDT, you write: << Hi All! My 750 Nighthawk needs it's first maintenance at 600 miles. I bought the bike in Warrenton at Blalock Cycles, but I live in Herndon, so I'm wondering where is a good place to go locally for maintenance work (Herndon area/Fairfax area). Also, dealer or independant mechanic? Thanks! Matt elliottm@XXXXXX 95 Nighthawk 750 >> Sez Jon, who had a 500 mile maint. done on his Ninja: "Fast Lane Cycles has some of the better service in the area. Do yourself a favor and remove as much of your faring work as possible before you take it in. " He was sitisfied with engine work, but the fiberglass was a bit crooked when it returned. Bolt may have been left out (or maybe lost next ride). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 01:05:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25332; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28912; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19254; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as33s18.erols.com [207.172.38.81]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA26567; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970617010530.0070bf14@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:05:30 -0400 To: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: 600 Mile Maintenance In-Reply-To: <9706161016.AA23014@204.91.98.131> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:16 AM 6/16/97 -0400, Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > Postage paid by: Hi All! My 750 Nighthawk needs it's first >maintenance at 600 miles. I bought the bike in Warrenton at Blalock >Cycles, but I live in Herndon, so I'm wondering where is a good place to >go locally for maintenance work (Herndon area/Fairfax area). Also, dealer >or independant mechanic? Thanks! Matt elliottm@XXXXXX 95 Nighthawk 750 As mentioned earlier, hit a dealer to keep that warranty intact. They're pretty stuffy about that first service, down the road not so much. Cycle Sport is right there in Herndon, and I have had fairly good experiences on the little amount of service I allow someone other than myself to touch. They did a pretty decent job on a valve adjust (I couldn't find the time to do it). Prices are generally reasonable if you showw em your face once in a while. Unfortuneately, they are primarily Suzuki/Kawasaki. As for the shop in Leesburgh, I would avoid them. They are basically a lawnmower shop that's managed to collect a few bikes to sell. They could probably handle a first service, but if problems were discovered, they don't have anyone with the experience to take care of your bike properly. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 08:19:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27598; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04970; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27876; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate.citicorp.com id AA22148 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:18:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199706171218.AA22148@egate.citicorp.com> Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:18:41 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:18:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 8:12:00 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Ride (crash) report To: MORROWS@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, KLThomas77@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <33A60551.344B@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 11zHOf00004ia ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME speaking of accidents...does anyone know anything about the accident at lee hwy and rt 50 yesterday? I went by there around 6:30pm and there was a slew of ambulances, police and fire vehicles there...apparently (it was hard to tell with all the people there), a cage ran a red light and plowed into a brown Gold Wing... ...it didn't look good... -aki Herndon,Va aki.damme@XXXXXX > KLThomas77@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Something I picked up off the VFR list. I know he's talking to me (jeans, > > leather jacket, gloves, Quantum S). What about you? > > > What I will tell you is to BUY LEATHERS or other ABRASION PROTECTION. > > Andrew was wearing his helmet, boots and fortunately, brand new tourmaster > > gloves. The gloves saved him from injury to his hands. The jeans and > > sweatshirt didn't. > > This is why I bought and wear a 1-piece Aerostitch. I've always worn a > jacket, gloves, boots and helmet, but last year I decided I just wasn't > comfortable with jeans as my only leg protection anymore. No, I didn't > crash, but something just told me it was time to get better coverage. I > hope I don't ever need it, but if I do, I want to have it on, ready to > protect me from having to experience something akin to what was > described in the referenced post. > > -- > Tim Morrow > Herndon, Va. > Morrows@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 10:10:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28572; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07485; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02460; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bergie.erols.com (bergie.erols.com [207.96.57.227]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26231 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:09:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199706171409.KAA26231@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: TICKETS Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:09:20 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got (2) EXTRA tickets to LYNYRD SKYNYRD next SUNDAY JUNE 22nd @ 6:30pm (Nissan Pavilion). Section 103, Row C, Seats 14/15 (awesome seats!) Worth at least $100 each, but I'm selling to anyone on the cycle list for face value ($40 ea.) $80 FOR BOTH. In order to keep this motorcycle related, I'll be riding out to the show :-) And as a special bonus, you get to sit near me! :-) Bergie Frazier Jr. Email: bergie@XXXXXX (703) 968-3023 (W: 9-6pm) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 10:26:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28695; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07804; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03048; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC7B08.8A431C20@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:23:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: 600 Mile Maintenance Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:23:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT That's funny, last time I was in there they were an "authorized" Honda dealer. I think that makes them more then capable of working on the bike. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >As for the shop in Leesburgh, I would avoid them. They are basically a >lawnmower shop that's managed to collect a few bikes to sell. They could >probably handle a first service, but if problems were discovered, they >don't have anyone with the experience to take care of your bike properly. >Collin _ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 10:30:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23047; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01040; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24180; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.30A; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:26:22 -0400 Message-ID: <2BDCA73301BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <28DCA73301BD1110@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:17:55 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("'DC Cycles'") Subject: Re: TICKETS Importance: High MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway I thought the band suffered an airplane crash some time ago. How did they manage to come back to life? The "George Washington's Hatchet" syndrome at work here.... Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 11:32:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24058; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02827; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27575; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3a7fd0d0; Wed, 18 Jun 97 11:21:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:00:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3a7fd0d0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: TICKETS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("'DC Cycles'") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Naw that only kilt Ronnie Van Zant, and I think that was '76 or '75. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: TICKETS From: "Adams, Bill" at ddn Date: 18/6/1997 10:17 AM I thought the band suffered an airplane crash some time ago. How did they manage to come back to life? The "George Washington's Hatchet" syndrome at work here.... Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 13:34:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28000; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05594; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08974; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial6.netsys.hn [206.48.255.9]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23011; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:30:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33A80E47.44AB@netsys.hn> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:35:19 -0500 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: CURACAO de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Just sharing my country with you! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just trying to share a little bit of my country with all you guys and gals. Hope you don't get upset since this is not a motorcycle related matter, but I have the feeling that for most of you, Honduras doesn't ring any bell. Please follow these addresses: http://www.hondunet.net/ http://www.netsys.hn/ (the server I use) http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1744/ http://www.hondurasweb.com/ This are just a few samples, enjoy! :-) -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 '94 BMW 325 ic Tegucigalpa, Honduras "If anything can go wrong, FIX IT! (To hell with Murphy)" Peter's Law From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 18:24:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08215; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11384; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08863; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA15255; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970618181956_-1798092189@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking For: CR250 [Please excuse the X-post] Looking To Buy a Good CR250 A friend of mine is looking for a 1991 or newer Honda CR250 motocrosser. If you or anyone you know may have a bike in this category for sale, please contact Bill at 301-797-3421. He is in Western Maryland but is willing to travel a reasonable distance for the right machine. Thanks, -- Jeff DeLauder From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 19:33:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09269; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12009; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07464; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:02:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA08597 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970618185941_912635988@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: secondhand leathers source Hi! At Summit Point last weekend, the topic of leathers and their (high) price came up. Due to some expressed interest at the track, and in light of recent postings, I thought I'd pass along this info: Colleen (motorle@XXXXXX) buys and sells leathers. I am a satisfied customer. Her stock changes week to week. She is really nice - located in Silver Spring and does biz by phone and in person. My only warning: If you go to her house and visit her bathroom as a fitting room, don't close the door if it's raining. Trust me. :-) Sharon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 23:53:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15145; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14715; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02610; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1Cust9.Max10.Detroit.MI.MS.UU.NET (1Cust9.Max10.Detroit.MI.MS.UU.NET [153.36.100.9]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA10480 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by 1Cust9.Max10.Detroit.MI.MS.UU.NET with Microsoft Mail id <01BC7B71.146F7160@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:52:06 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC7B71.146F7160@1Cust9.Max10.Detroit.MI.MS.UU.NET> From: Stephen To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: secondhand leathers source Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:51:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sharon Ummm. I was trying to understand/picture what closing the door when it's = raining, when you're trying on leathers would be all about? I thought of = some kinky things, and maybe some strange circumstances, but I really = can't quite picture what you are really talking about. Please enlighten = us just a little (and take these wet-leather locked-up images out of my = head...). ---------- From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX[SMTP:Barbelle14@XXXXXX] Sent: June 18, 1997 7:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: secondhand leathers source Hi!=20 At Summit Point last weekend, the topic of leathers and their (high) = price came up. Due to some expressed interest at the track, and in light of = recent postings, I thought I'd pass along this info: Colleen (motorle@XXXXXX) buys and sells leathers. I am a satisfied = customer. Her stock changes week to week. She is really nice - located in Silver = Spring and does biz by phone and in person. My only warning: If you go to her = house and visit her bathroom as a fitting room, don't close the door if it's raining. Trust me. :-) Sharon=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 15:10:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27233; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28517; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07969; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dekalb.external.lmco.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16056; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from franklin.vf.lmco.com (franklin.vf.lmco.com [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.external.lmco.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24468 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from master.ew.lmms.lmco.com (master.ew.lmms.lmco.com [144.222.20.12]) by franklin.vf.lmco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28951 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ant09 (dkrause@XXXXXX [144.222.36.80]) by master.ew.lmms.lmco.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA21358 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:11:41 -0400 Sender: dkrause@XXXXXX Message-ID: <33A983BA.AC@ew.lmms.lmco.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:08:42 -0400 From: Dieter Krausser David Krause Organization: Lockheed Martin Missles & Space X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4668169664BF" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4668169664BF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THE GATHERING OF THE TRIBES - 97' Christian Bikers Against Substance Abuse (CBASA) NJ - RALLY SEPT 14, 1997 MERCER COUNTY PARK WEST WINDSOR NJ please review and email me if you have any questions this is a major event and any help would be greatly appreciated....also if this is not the person who should receive this message, please foward it to the appropriate individual or contact me with the proper information. thanx - please return email when you received this message Pastor Dave Krause - Board Chairman CBASA 347 Second Street, Trenton NJ 08611 609-695-0051 - 908-561-2428 --------------4668169664BF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="cbasa" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cbasa" "GATHERING OF THE TRIBES" - I AM MY BROTHER'S KEEPER 97 Christian Bikers Against Substance Abuse (CBASA) is a network of motorcycle ministries in the New Jersey, Pennsylvania areas, that have come together for a common cause, namely to establish an area based Christian substance abuse program. We have seen what the effects of federal cutbacks in spending and the closure of several state run treatment facilities have had on the area. There is a dramatic void for an ongoing comprehensive program giving hope and direction to those people who are in need. We have decided to link arms and organize a rally to raise funds for this cause. All revenues from this event will be put towards establishing a foundation whose focus will be in the following areas: 1.) Prevention Through Education by Experience (PTEE) We do not wish to replace, but rather enhance preventive education by working with civic organizations such as D.A.R.E., the P.T.A., M.A.D.D. and others, to emphasize to the youth the dangers of drugs, and its associated violence, not by platforms or programs, but through our own lifetime experiences. 2.) Provide financial support to other Christian rehabilitation programs. 3.) Work with the judicial and probational systems by providing an alternative to substance abuse treatment. 4.) To provide a trade training facility in the areas of word processing, PC computer repair, carpentry, plumbing etc. The cost of substance abuse on families and businesses in America today is staggering, with no end in sight. This dreaded national scourge shows no favorites; it affects both the young and the old. Unless people become concerned and involved, our future will be no different than our past, dim and without hope. This is why we are passionate in the pursuit of this goal. We have been witness to the lives that have been changed through programs like Camp Hope, Teen Challenge and others, these programs work. It is time for those who have seen the victory, be a light to those who are in darkness. WE NEED YOUR HELP This is tremendous undertaking which requires a massive volunteer effort. We need parking attendants, traffic control, stage setup, park grounds maintenance, telephone solicitors, altar counselors, the list is endless. What ever support your group can provide would appreciated. As a part of this fund raising event, we are assembling a book of financial contributors which will be distributed to those who attend the Sept 14,1997 NJ rally. The schedule of contributions will be as follows: $25.00 for a business card, $75.00 per 1/4 page, $150.00 per 1/2 page $500.00 dollars for a full page, $1,500.00 for a cover page. We are contacting local and national companies as well as private individuals and ministries to become involved with this event. Become involved with us. Ask yourself the question "Is the problem of substance abuse worth the effort of getting involved with its solution ?" We are available to come and speak to your group and answer any questions, please call to make arrangements. Sincerely, Pastor David Krause - Board Chairman, CBASA "The Gathering of the Tribes" CBASA - 347 Second Street Trenton NJ 08611 (609)695-0051 --------------4668169664BF-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 17:07:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06837; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27116; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03918; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:06:28 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA16964; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970620170557_-2046755240@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: selling to a moron Hey, y'all- My friend knows this guy who is in the market for an early VFR. It's his 1st bike. He's a moron who destroys everything he touches. And I don't like him much. I have recently endured the trauma of selling my beloved 92VFR, only to have it destroyed within 3 months (not the owners fault). I bought it back and will repair it, and possibly keep it. The question is, if this guy will give me what I want for my gorgeous 87 VFR, and he probably will, should I sell it to him? I will surely endure this trauma again if I do. I want a lot for it, so it will sell slowly, but is it better to sell to a perfect stranger who I will never know if he wrecks it? Conflicted-- Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 19:06:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10776; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28933; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from umr.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13677; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huter.umr.edu (Forseti.i148.smsu.edu [146.7.14.148]) via SMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.8.5/R.4.20) id SAA09419; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:06:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33AB0EC6.74F@umr.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:14:14 -0500 From: Brandon Monnig Reply-To: monnig@XXXXXX Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vfr@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: selling to a moron References: <970620170557_-2046755240@emout05.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KLThomas77@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hey, y'all- > > My friend knows this guy who is in the market for an early VFR. It's his 1st > bike. He's a moron who destroys everything he touches. And I don't like him > much. I have recently endured the trauma of selling my beloved 92VFR, only > to have it destroyed within 3 months (not the owners fault). I bought it > back and will repair it, and possibly keep it. The question is, if this guy > will give me what I want for my gorgeous 87 VFR, and he probably will, should > I sell it to him? I will surely endure this trauma again if I do. I want a > lot for it, so it will sell slowly, but is it better to sell to a perfect > stranger who I will never know if he wrecks it? > > Conflicted-- > Kevin Kevin, Sounds like a rough choice. I guess you can look at it a couple of different ways. If you NEED the money bad, you really don't have a choice. Especially if the guy will give you the "lot" you want for it. Since you already admit he WILL crash it, the good (?) side of this is that if the crash isn't too bad, you may be able to buy back a repairable bike for dirt cheap. Chances are that if it is his first bike, and he toasts it, he will be wanting to get rid of that thing pretty bad. I've saw lots of "wrecked it and sold it while he was still alive" kind of situations happening. The bike may not be trashed, but the person is now scared shi*less of it. On the other side, if this guy is just the sort of annoying, know-it-all, needs a boot-to-the-head-on-general-principle type of guy that I am visualizing, and you DON'T need the money bad, and you are SURE you want rid of the bike, I would hold off and sell it to someone you don't know. Of course, if THEY wreck it, you will never know. Heck, even if the moron toasts it, you might be able to buy it back and part it out here. Of course, then again, he may be a natural bike rider (haha). Sounds like you just have to decide. If it were me, and 1) he would give me the "high" price I wanted for it, and 2) I was DAMN sure he would wreck it, I might sell it to him on the hopes of getting it back cheap (or helping some of the listers with their bikes), I might sell it to him. On the other hand, if you sell it to someone else, you might be gaining a great riding partner for a long time to come, and be able to watch the bike for years. Good luck. Glad I don't have to make this choice! Brandon Monnig monnig@XXXXXX '86VFR700F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 19:09:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10867; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28976; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from multi3.netcomi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14034; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cimpro@localhost) by multi3.netcomi.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) id SAA12426; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:08:39 -0500 Received: from jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (jeeves.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.37.11]) by multi3.netcomi.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12418 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:08:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12719; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:06:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:06:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id SAA12703 for vfr-outgoing; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:06:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.11]) by jeeves.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12699 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:06:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from umr.edu (hermes.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.68]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00695 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:06:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from huter.umr.edu (Forseti.i148.smsu.edu [146.7.14.148]) via SMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.8.5/R.4.20) id SAA09419; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:06:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33AB0EC6.74F@umr.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:14:14 -0500 From: Brandon Monnig Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: vfr@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: selling to a moron References: <970620170557_-2046755240@emout05.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vfr@XXXXXX Reply-To: vfr@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk X-Loop: joglevee@XXXXXX To: joglevee@XXXXXX KLThomas77@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hey, y'all- > > My friend knows this guy who is in the market for an early VFR. It's his 1st > bike. He's a moron who destroys everything he touches. And I don't like him > much. I have recently endured the trauma of selling my beloved 92VFR, only > to have it destroyed within 3 months (not the owners fault). I bought it > back and will repair it, and possibly keep it. The question is, if this guy > will give me what I want for my gorgeous 87 VFR, and he probably will, should > I sell it to him? I will surely endure this trauma again if I do. I want a > lot for it, so it will sell slowly, but is it better to sell to a perfect > stranger who I will never know if he wrecks it? > > Conflicted-- > Kevin Kevin, Sounds like a rough choice. I guess you can look at it a couple of different ways. If you NEED the money bad, you really don't have a choice. Especially if the guy will give you the "lot" you want for it. Since you already admit he WILL crash it, the good (?) side of this is that if the crash isn't too bad, you may be able to buy back a repairable bike for dirt cheap. Chances are that if it is his first bike, and he toasts it, he will be wanting to get rid of that thing pretty bad. I've saw lots of "wrecked it and sold it while he was still alive" kind of situations happening. The bike may not be trashed, but the person is now scared shi*less of it. On the other side, if this guy is just the sort of annoying, know-it-all, needs a boot-to-the-head-on-general-principle type of guy that I am visualizing, and you DON'T need the money bad, and you are SURE you want rid of the bike, I would hold off and sell it to someone you don't know. Of course, if THEY wreck it, you will never know. Heck, even if the moron toasts it, you might be able to buy it back and part it out here. Of course, then again, he may be a natural bike rider (haha). Sounds like you just have to decide. If it were me, and 1) he would give me the "high" price I wanted for it, and 2) I was DAMN sure he would wreck it, I might sell it to him on the hopes of getting it back cheap (or helping some of the listers with their bikes), I might sell it to him. On the other hand, if you sell it to someone else, you might be gaining a great riding partner for a long time to come, and be able to watch the bike for years. Good luck. Glad I don't have to make this choice! Brandon Monnig monnig@XXXXXX '86VFR700F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 20:57:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12430; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29480; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19264; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:57:15 -0400 (EDT) From: khafre@XXXXXX Received: from jwilson_5268.nova.att.com (spg-as4s11.erols.com [207.172.111.202]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14203 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33AB2572.554B@erols.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:50:58 -0400 Reply-To: khafre@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for Group to Ride with Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings all. I'm looking for group of sensible folks to ride with from time to time. I live in the Mitchellville area of Prince George County. Khafre 93 Kantana 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 22:16:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12775; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00486; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21837; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([205.177.148.15]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA24437 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970621021925.006883bc@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ranone@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:19:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wendy & Nick Ranone Subject: Phone Number Does anyone have the phone number for Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg MD? Nick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 23:45:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13156; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01476; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24974; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA19030; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:40:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:34:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: selling to a moron To: KLThomas77@XXXXXX cc: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <970620170557_-2046755240@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Kevin, I'd say it depends on how bad you want/need to sell the bike.IMHO, I'd say a VFR is a bit much for a learner and I'd have qualms about selling it to anyone I didn't think could handle it.The last thing we need is some idiot killing himself on a bike and becoming another statistic that makes us look bad. Plus,if you don't like the guy,screw 'em."You reserve the right..." The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Petty Hate Machine" "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 21 11:25:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16444; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06285; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10953; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.6/) with ESMTP id KAA16619; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:17:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA04091; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.99]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAG13660; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:17:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles , "'Loupil'" , "'SLee'" , "Akers, Philip" , annie mundy , baldwin2 , baretta , Berri Reminick , Biker413@XXXXXX, "'bill in richmond'" , Bill Maggs , Bill Schmidt , blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco , Bob Tobias , botcher2 , "'Bryan T. Douglas'" , BWEINER , chris kleponis , chris norloff , Clark Dorman , "Jones, William COL - G3" , "Collin T. Fagan" , conteh , curtis hintze , dale coyner , Daniel Dutch , Dark Hacker , Dave Nunn , dave otis , Dave Strout , "'david silver'" , "Mantei, Debra, SFC, OSD/C3I +" , "'dennis hughs'" , Doug Bellomo , "'drew cooper'" , Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, erica rosen , frank supik , gcraddoc , Graling_D , HDWarp80 , herb manell , hugh maher , jae , james w carr , jckozyn@XXXXXX, Jeff Poretsky , "'Jeffrey Berkin'" , jimb , jimi , Joe Snider , john claman , john schaaf , "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , jrduffy@XXXXXX, judy soukup , Ken Bour , larry wilson , linda tanner , louis betancourt , louis caplan , mackinto , Matt Elliott - DIGEX , "'matt farina'" , matt hayes , Matthew Ducey , Michael Dow , "'Mike Lee'" , Morris Berman , mxc11@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, "Paul A. Douglas" , "Paul W. Wisneskey" , pdenno , "Perry D. Coleman" , peter soukup , Randy Chartier <74537.1737@XXXXXX>, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, Robert M Darden , sae pak , sbeck@XXXXXX, scotje , slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox , Steele Gordon , "STEPHEN R. LOHMAN" <103126.2533@XXXXXX>, steveb , STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, "Higdon, SFC Thomas" , thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, "tod r. botcher" , Tracy Minter , "Osidach, Vera Z." , "w.r. ohara" , "McLoone, William J." Subject: PARR Poker Run!!! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970621151600.AAG13660@localHost> This is a second announcement. Sorry I did'nt get back to those who answered the first until now. I was in Ashville NC, riding all the hell over and loving it..... ....There's a PARR Poker run happening tommorrow. If you are interested we are meeting at the new Silver diner parking lot in Springfield VA. The diner is about .25 -.5 miles East of i95 on Franconia Road ....The event begins at Thunder USA, 14535 Jefferson Davis Hwy in Woodbridge VA. Registration is from 9-11am $8-9 ama/non. Overall length about 150miles. This is a charity run for Vietnam Vets. Hope to see some of yer faces tomorrow morning. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 07:57:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00683; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13654; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27456; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip85.baltimore.md.pub-ip.psi.net (ip85.baltimore.md.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.97.85]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA29865; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706221156.HAA29865@brickbat8.mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:56:42 -0400 From: stopspam@XXXXXX (Insert Here) To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Repost:FS '83 CB550SC References: <33A80FA1.32DC@jhuapl.edu> Organization: as if....inc In article <33A80FA1.32DC@XXXXXX>, "Kenneth V. Kitzman" wrote: > Ellicott City > For Sale: 1983 CB550SC Nighthawk. New battery, tires. Shaft drive, daily > commuter, passed MD inspection last summer. $875 > > Ken Kitzman > (410) 480-0071 ( home ) > (410) 792-5000 x3587 > (301) 953-5000 x3587 ( work ) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 17:11:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06463; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16265; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21321; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:10:56 -0400 (EDT) From: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from dialpm6-13.knight-hub.com (dialpm6-13.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.54]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA17259; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:10:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:10:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199706222110.RAA17259@thehub.knight-hub.com> X-Sender: mobacc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Wendy & Nick Ranone , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Phone Number At 10:19 PM 6/20/97 -0400, Wendy & Nick Ranone wrote: > >Does anyone have the phone number for Cycle Accessory Discounters in >Gaithersburg MD? >Nick > > >From hand notes -- think this is may be current info: 301 977 7188; 429-G East Diamond Ave. ***Bill Swanson '96 Vulcan 500 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 17:20:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06728; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16313; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22084; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as17s51.erols.com [207.172.36.51]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29452 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970622212315.006726c8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ranone@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:23:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wendy & Nick Ranone Subject: UNI air filters Any opinions on UNI brand air filters? I wanted to replace my stock air filter with a performance one and K&N does not make one for it. I would like to stick with the OEM air box. Nick Ranone 96 Ninja 250R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 18:00:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07973; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 18:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nemo.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16558; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nemo.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01145; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:59:51 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:59:51 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) Message-Id: <199706222159.VAA01145@nemo.cs.umd.edu> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: UNI air filters Wendy & Nick Ranone writes: > Any opinions on UNI brand air filters? I wanted to replace my stock air > filter with a performance one and K&N does not make one for it. I would > like to stick with the OEM air box. I've got a UNI on my CX500. I use it as my commuter and have put ~1000 miles on it since installation. Fits fine, seems to work fine thusfar. I was a heretic and didn't use UNI Oil, just a light coat of Castrol 30. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! 4 Hondas, 3 Kawasakis & 7 Suzukis +----+ I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" AMA, ICOA, KTC, Lemans, VJMC, DoD #224 |_____--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 09:13:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13707; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24629; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21992; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC7FB5.885EE5E0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:12:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FW: Crashing, Squiddley Boys, and Suckage Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:12:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 129 TEXT Anybody know this poor fellow? My friend was the one in the pickup (who wrote this). I would have been out riding with him if he hadn't already had plans with his family. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >---------- > >g. >---------- >From: Shamieh, Greg >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 1997 6:40 PM >To: 'The Internet BMW Riders' >Subject: Crashing, Squiddley Boys, and Suckage > >fellow presidents: > >no, the crashing wasn't me, thank ye gods, but it sucks all the same, thank >you very much. > >it sucks even more when the sparks, bending metal and bouncing boys happen in >full view of your wife and children. > >those of you who went to the square route rally will know the road --- MD 77 >--- up and over the cactoctin mountains. the more treacherous side of the >road is the one most of you never take though --- leading west out of camp >west mar out into washington county and towards I-70 west. the road twists >and bucks like the proper snake of a mountain road that it is --- decreasing >radius, off camber stuff, switchbacks and blind drops coming off the tops of >grades. good s**t, if you are sane and in possession of good skills and >judgement. > >not everybody is, though. > >was coming back with the family in the pickup from a day of fun, and decided >to take the twisty route home, even if the ram is less agile than the r90s. >as we get into the best stuff, i come up on an older couple out in their >fathers oldsmobile ;-), just cruisin'. we're in no hurry so i drop back a few >yards and settle in for a slow run down the mtn. > >seconds later, two red streaks come up fast from behind --- a ducati 900 cr >in front, and a new suzuki 1000tl out behind. the ducati closes on me in >nothing flat, never slows down, flicks out over the double yellow, does me >and grandpa out in front in one go, and flicks back in going into a blind, >decreasing radius right and gasses it and is gone. > >"asshole", i mutter, wondering why there are no body parts flying back in my >direction. > >his buddy with the new TL, though --- these bikes have only been out for what >-- three weeks? --- doesn't have the same breed of beeg stones coupled with >no brains. he feels me out for a while, looking for a safer blind corner to >make this pass on ;-) > >he finds the one he wants in short order, reproduces his buddy's stupidity, >and goes to flick in to another, sharper blind downhill right and gets in too >hot, around 65 for a corner i would never enter going more than 45. (in the >truck its a 25-30 mph turn) > >he's waaaay out on the left edge of the oncoming lane when he starts his move >back over to the proper side of the road. i am dead sure at this point he >will get splattered by an oncoming vehicle that none of us has any angle to >see coming. amazingly, that car isn't there THIS time. he gets on the brakes >as he comes back across the road, and promptly finds the strip of gravel that >was just as likely to be there as the oncoming car was. > >you never beat two sure things in a row. > >front wheel goes out in a nanosecond, the bike slams down hard, showering >sparks and shedding parts like there's no tomorrow. the bike and rider >straightline back across the oncoming lane and, amazingly, the guaranteed bad >luck car is still running a bit behind schedule. also amazingly, granma and >grandpa miss him as he slides back across in front of them. bike and rider go >into the guardrail, which is sitting in a run off of large, coarse gravel -- >bike goes under the rail and sticks. rider slams into the saddle knees first >and stops. > >i get the truck stopped and angle it across the road so as to minimize the >chances of bucko geting run over from my direction, anyway. he's up pretty >quickly, helmet comes off and the stream of expletives tells me he will think >he's alright until tomorrow morning, anyway. i swallow my judgement, jump >down and try to help by confirming his opinion that all limbs are present, >undamaged and accounted for and to get what's left of the TL swept up and out >of the road. the back luck oncoming car shows up about 10 seconds too late, >and slides to a stop about ten feet shy of our boy. > >fortunately, he was properly dressed (jacket with armor, shoei rf-700, good >gloves and jeans) and didn't seem too much the worse for wear. except for >some jean shreddage and a shot to the helmet that had it headed for the trash >can, he did appear to be whole. bulk of the impact was to his right shoulder, >elbow, and right side of head. if i ever buy another riding jacket, vanson >WILL get my money. > >the TL, though, looked to be a write off. both mufflers had bent in under the >fender and were keeping the rear tire from turning --- the resonator cans >were toast, and the headpipes were bent shut when they attempted to stay in >touch with what the cans were doing. everything plastic above the radiators >was in bits --- fairing, windshield, cockpit, mirrors, turnsignals --- >shattered. 3k repair bill minimum. if i do buy a japanese ducati clone, >remind me not to crash it ;-) > >after getting the former bike into a neighbor's driveway, i advised our man >to take a more careful inventory of his personal bits once the adrenaline >started to wear off to make sure he didn't need medical attention. his ducati >riding pal also showed back up, at which point i elected to split rather than >share my opinion of his riding talent and judgement. > >very few of us ride at 11/10ths on public roads, so there is probably no >personal lesson to be taken. i can't help but think though, that when >friends, neighbors and co-workers treat all motorcyclists like petite >criminals, these two a**h*les were the guys they had in mind. > >g. > > >***** > >greg shamieh boof # 93 >gregs@XXXXXX >jefferson, md >75r90s --- der essssssssss >73r90/5 --- der toastmeister (verrrrry light toast only) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 11:02:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14916; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27018; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ups.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27962; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadnet.ups.com by ups.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA25818; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:59:46 -0400 Received: from smtpgwy.roadnet.ups.com by roadnet.ups.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA11763; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:59:14 -0400 Received: from ccMail by smtpgwy.roadnet.ups.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA867078426; Mon, 23 Jun 97 11:07:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9706238670.AA867078426@smtpgwy.roadnet.ups.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 11:02:54 -0500 From: "Matt Plowman" To: , Subject: FS: '87 CBR600F Hurricane MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I've got an 87 CBR 600F Hurricane for sale. I wanted to drop a post here first as the add is going in the Sun Paper either next week or the week after. Specifics: Red/White with no major cosmetic damage - original plastic. Red/White 2nd look seat cover and red Targa windscreen. 23K miles, piped, jetted, and runs great. Dunlop K591 sport compund tires (2000 miles on them) Fresh (250 miles) AFAM O-ring chain and sprocket kit (stock gearing) Fresh brake pads. Extras include a matching tank cover, chase harper tank bag, manuals, 3 spare front brake rotors, stage II jets, and other small stuff. Ready to ride ... $2600.00/offer Matt ps. Bike is in the Perry Hall/Towson area. 410-560-4388 W pmp@XXXXXX --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="RFC822.TXT" Received: from roadnet.ups.com by smtpgwy.roadnet.ups.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) ; Sun, 22 Jun 97 08:06:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from ups.com by roadnet.ups.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA08687; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:58:08 -0400 Received: from nemo.cs.umd.edu by ups.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA16989; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:00:56 -0400 Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by nemo.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00619; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:57:10 GMT Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27456; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip85.baltimore.md.pub-ip.psi.net (ip85.baltimore.md.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.97.85]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA29865; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706221156.HAA29865@brickbat8.mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:56:42 -0400 From: stopspam@XXXXXX (Insert Here) To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Repost:FS '83 CB550SC References: <33A80FA1.32DC@jhuapl.edu> Organization: as if....inc --simple boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 11:42:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15818; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29986; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00459; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA13164; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:42:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:42:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Wendy & Nick Ranone cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Phone Number In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970621021925.006883bc@pop.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm.. A quick query at http://www.mapsonus.com finds: Cycle Accessory Discounters, 301-977-7188, 429 E Diamond Ave, Gaithersburg, MD 20877-3028 Cheers, Pete. On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Wendy & Nick Ranone wrote: > > Does anyone have the phone number for Cycle Accessory Discounters in > Gaithersburg MD? > Nick > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 16:28:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25467; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07074; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26107; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.6/) with ESMTP id PAA17435 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:27:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA23640 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA15999 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:26:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: FW: Crashing, Squiddley Boys, and Suckage X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970623202658.AAA15999@localHost> Don't know him personally, but do know him in other faces of riders I've met. Take heed ye lunatic squids. The rush and adrenaline of an improper pass while following danger across a double line, especially into a blind corner, could be achieved sucking up some specialised drug or another. And that's pretty stupid isn't it! My .02 cents. Todd Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FW: Crashing, Squiddley Boys, and Suckage Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:12:09 -0400 Encoding: 129 TEXT Anybody know this poor fellow? My friend was the one in the pickup (who wrote this). I would have been out riding with him if he hadn't already had plans with his family. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >---------- > >g. >---------- >From: Shamieh, Greg >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 1997 6:40 PM >To: 'The Internet BMW Riders' >Subject: Crashing, Squiddley Boys, and Suckage > >fellow presidents: > >no, the crashing wasn't me, thank ye gods, but it sucks all the same, thank >you very much. > >it sucks even more when the sparks, bending metal and bouncing boys happen in >full view of your wife and children. > >those of you who went to the square route rally will know the road --- MD 77 >--- up and over the cactoctin mountains. the more treacherous side of the >road is the one most of you never take though --- leading west out of camp >west mar out into washington county and towards I-70 west. the road twists >and bucks like the proper snake of a mountain road that it is --- decreasing >radius, off camber stuff, switchbacks and blind drops coming off the tops of >grades. good s**t, if you are sane and in possession of good skills and >judgement. > >not everybody is, though. > >was coming back with the family in the pickup from a day of fun, and decided >to take the twisty route home, even if the ram is less agile than the r90s. >as we get into the best stuff, i come up on an older couple out in their >fathers oldsmobile ;-), just cruisin'. we're in no hurry so i drop back a few >yards and settle in for a slow run down the mtn. > >seconds later, two red streaks come up fast from behind --- a ducati 900 cr >in front, and a new suzuki 1000tl out behind. the ducati closes on me in >nothing flat, never slows down, flicks out over the double yellow, does me >and grandpa out in front in one go, and flicks back in going into a blind, >decreasing radius right and gasses it and is gone. > >"asshole", i mutter, wondering why there are no body parts flying back in my >direction. > >his buddy with the new TL, though --- these bikes have only been out for what >-- three weeks? --- doesn't have the same breed of beeg stones coupled with >no brains. he feels me out for a while, looking for a safer blind corner to >make this pass on ;-) > >he finds the one he wants in short order, reproduces his buddy's stupidity, >and goes to flick in to another, sharper blind downhill right and gets in too >hot, around 65 for a corner i would never enter going more than 45. (in the >truck its a 25-30 mph turn) > >he's waaaay out on the left edge of the oncoming lane when he starts his move >back over to the proper side of the road. i am dead sure at this point he >will get splattered by an oncoming vehicle that none of us has any angle to >see coming. amazingly, that car isn't there THIS time. he gets on the brakes >as he comes back across the road, and promptly finds the strip of gravel that >was just as likely to be there as the oncoming car was. > >you never beat two sure things in a row. > >front wheel goes out in a nanosecond, the bike slams down hard, showering >sparks and shedding parts like there's no tomorrow. the bike and rider >straightline back across the oncoming lane and, amazingly, the guaranteed bad >luck car is still running a bit behind schedule. also amazingly, granma and >grandpa miss him as he slides back across in front of them. bike and rider go >into the guardrail, which is sitting in a run off of large, coarse gravel -- >bike goes under the rail and sticks. rider slams into the saddle knees first >and stops. > >i get the truck stopped and angle it across the road so as to minimize the >chances of bucko geting run over from my direction, anyway. he's up pretty >quickly, helmet comes off and the stream of expletives tells me he will think >he's alright until tomorrow morning, anyway. i swallow my judgement, jump >down and try to help by confirming his opinion that all limbs are present, >undamaged and accounted for and to get what's left of the TL swept up and out >of the road. the back luck oncoming car shows up about 10 seconds too late, >and slides to a stop about ten feet shy of our boy. > >fortunately, he was properly dressed (jacket with armor, shoei rf-700, good >gloves and jeans) and didn't seem too much the worse for wear. except for >some jean shreddage and a shot to the helmet that had it headed for the trash >can, he did appear to be whole. bulk of the impact was to his right shoulder, >elbow, and right side of head. if i ever buy another riding jacket, vanson >WILL get my money. > >the TL, though, looked to be a write off. both mufflers had bent in under the >fender and were keeping the rear tire from turning --- the resonator cans >were toast, and the headpipes were bent shut when they attempted to stay in >touch with what the cans were doing. everything plastic above the radiators >was in bits --- fairing, windshield, cockpit, mirrors, turnsignals --- >shattered. 3k repair bill minimum. if i do buy a japanese ducati clone, >remind me not to crash it ;-) > >after getting the former bike into a neighbor's driveway, i advised our man >to take a more careful inventory of his personal bits once the adrenaline >started to wear off to make sure he didn't need medical attention. his ducati >riding pal also showed back up, at which point i elected to split rather than >share my opinion of his riding talent and judgement. > >very few of us ride at 11/10ths on public roads, so there is probably no >personal lesson to be taken. i can't help but think though, that when >friends, neighbors and co-workers treat all motorcyclists like petite >criminals, these two a**h*les were the guys they had in mind. > >g. > > >***** > >greg shamieh boof # 93 >gregs@XXXXXX >jefferson, md >75r90s --- der essssssssss >73r90/5 --- der toastmeister (verrrrry light toast only) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 16:57:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26513; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07574; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28864; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as17s25.erols.com [207.172.36.25]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20109; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:57:13 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970623165808.00717cd0@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:58:08 -0400 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: FW: Crashing, Squiddley Boys, and Suckage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Unfortuneately, I think I had just been chatting with them at Summit Point last weekend. One on A duc 900 SS/cr the other on a brand new TL. Older guys too. (mid 30's)....OK, so I'm a young fart. Anyway, it WAS a nice bike. Even let me sit on it. Unfortuneately, in our brief conversation, he had a very over arrogant it can't happen to me attitude (I think he was trying to rub in a little age/experience factor, even though I've been riding for waaaayyyy longer than he had even thought about it.) Oh well, at least no one was injured besides the bike...Damn shame for the bike. Collin At 09:12 AM 6/23/97 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Anybody know this poor fellow? My friend was the one in the pickup (who >wrote this). I would have been out riding with him if he hadn't already >had plans with his family. >>seconds later, two red streaks come up fast from behind --- a ducati 900 cr >>in front, and a new suzuki 1000tl out behind. the ducati closes on me in >>nothing flat, never slows down, flicks out over the double yellow, does me >>and grandpa out in front in one go, and flicks back in going into a blind, >>decreasing radius right and gasses it and is gone. >> >>"asshole", i mutter, wondering why there are no body parts flying back in my >>direction. >> >>his buddy with the new TL, though --- these bikes have only been out for what >>-- three weeks? --- doesn't have the same breed of beeg stones coupled with >>no brains. he feels me out for a while, looking for a safer blind corner to >>make this pass on ;-) _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 19:48:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01653; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10836; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13171; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from explorer2.clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.5]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA10150; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:47:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by explorer2.clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id TAA20384; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706232347.TAA20384@explorer2.clark.net> To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Crashing, Squiddley Boys, and Suckage I'm very surprised that the TL1000 rider didn't end up as a big red blotch on the guard rail. He was VERY lucky. - hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 07:14:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA07219; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21082; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02637; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18492 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:14:36 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:14:36 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: FW: Crashing, Squiddley Boys, and Suckage Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:13:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT, 44 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Unfortuneately, in our brief conversation, he had a very over arrogant it can't happen to me attitude (I think he was trying to rub in a little age/experience factor< Strangely enough, most of my get-offs (in my 36 years of riding) were preceded by an overpowering feeling of competence. I've learned to look for the feeling and not pay too much attention to it (most of the time). 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If anyone wants to have two of them I am contemplating selling.... Also my friend has a 84 VF750F for sale in Baltimore, 19,000 miles, good shape, almost new tires and recently passed MD inspection, for about $1900, nice big highway bike! sandy triolos@XXXXXX >>> Matt Plowman 06/23 12:02 PM >>> I've got an 87 CBR 600F Hurricane for sale. I wanted to drop a post here first as the add is going in the Sun Paper either next week or the week after. Specifics: Red/White with no major cosmetic damage - original plastic. Red/White 2nd look seat cover and red Targa windscreen. 23K miles, piped, jetted, and runs great. Dunlop K591 sport compund tires (2000 miles on them) Fresh (250 miles) AFAM O-ring chain and sprocket kit (stock gearing) Fresh brake pads. Extras include a matching tank cover, chase harper tank bag, manuals, 3 spare front brake rotors, stage II jets, and other small stuff. Ready to ride ... $2600.00/offer Matt ps. Bike is in the Perry Hall/Towson area. 410-560-4388 W pmp@XXXXXX --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="RFC822.TXT" Received: from roadnet.ups.com by smtpgwy.roadnet.ups.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) ; Sun, 22 Jun 97 08:06:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from ups.com by roadnet.ups.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA08687; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:58:08 -0400 Received: from nemo.cs.umd.edu by ups.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA16989; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:00:56 -0400 Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by nemo.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00619; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:57:10 GMT Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27456; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip85.baltimore.md.pub-ip.psi.net (ip85.baltimore.md.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.97.85]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA29865; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706221156.HAA29865@brickbat8.mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:56:42 -0400 From: stopspam@XXXXXX (Insert Here) To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Repost:FS '83 CB550SC References: <33A80FA1.32DC@jhuapl.edu> Organization: as if....inc --simple boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 13:21:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12417; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26605; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia4w.prodigy.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22908; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime3.prodigy.com (mime3.prodigy.com [192.168.253.27]) by pimaia4w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA64788; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:20:39 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime3.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA122052; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:10:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199706241710.NAA122052@mime3.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: jwfreyjr@XXXXXX (MR JAMES W FREYJR) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:10:23, -0500 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Norton for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII please post, thank you, jim ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION 1974 NORTON 850 Commando for sale cheap 1974 Norton 850 Commando, black, custom paint, Dunstall exhaust system, Mikuni single carb conversion. All original parts ( except carbs),needs some work,i.e., front Master cylinder rebuild.As is $1,000.00 FIRM. I am original owner. Also have 1983 Yamaha Venture rolling chassis, all parts except body work which was destroyed in crash..............as is,$800.00 email replies please, teenagers ALWAYS on phone. jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 00:25:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24351; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06633; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02267; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:25:10 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA19588; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970625002433_190886565@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Play hooky wednesday near DC!! Hey, y'all- Jonathan is here on the way to NY and Canada, and I'm skipping class to show him my favorite MD and W VA roads, and find some new favorites. We'll take off from Potomac MD around 9 or 10 am wednesday. Somebody please come with us! We'll likely be gone all day, more or less. Phone me between 8 and 10 at 301-424-5319. Email is sometimes slow. Sorry for the short notice. Later Kevin 87 VFR700 and 92 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 15:08:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29491; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11313; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19599; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:07:54 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA06832; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970626150702_879871748@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jolie@XXXXXX Subject: joys of new tires Hey, y'all- I just got a new tire on the back of my 87 VFR to match the 1 month old front. I have always known that the best handling improvement per dollar comes from good tires, but I'm usually surprised every time I get new ones. My 87 had a 130/70/18 on the back, but was supposed to have an 80 (or 90, I forget). I got the stock size in a Metzeler ME99. The old one was worn pretty flat. So besides the obvious cornering improvement from ditching my square tire, I made a big improvement in my impression that the bike had excessive rear weight bias/too low ride height. I knew the old tire was shorter than stock, but I really didn't expect such a different feel. Those fortunate few with adjustable ride height will not be surprised by my revelation. So my point is that if you're unhappy or less confident in the bike than you want, try new tires first, maybe of a different brand, and when using non-stock tires, carefully consider the potential ride height effect. It really makes a difference. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 17:15:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01332; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14221; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25747; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC8251.E05E9CB0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:56:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: joys of new tires Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:51:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 30 TEXT I have something to add this. I have been on the SabMag (Sabre/Magna) list for a while and a lot of people there have switched from bias ply tires to radials says that it is a night and day difference. I bet you are probably thinking "You shouldn't switch to radials if your bike was designed for bias plys". Even Dunlop recommends against switching but we (the SabMag list) think its only to cover there butt in case of a law suite. Anyway every says they are better in every aspect, ride, handling, wear, etc. And there are people there that have put on many 10's of thousands of miles on them. My bike has 130/90-16 on the rear now and needs replacing. The bad news for me is that they don't make radials in that size so I'm going to try and squeeze a 140/80 back there. I don't know about you guys but I'm tired of replacing those bias ply tires every 6 -7000 miles! Anyone have an old 140/80 or 140/90 in a 16" that is worn that they are willing to give up? It can be bias or radial. I need an old trashed tire for my testing before I rake out over $100 for a radial. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > >>So my point is that if you're unhappy or less confident in the bike than you >>want, try new tires first, maybe of a different brand, and when using >>non-stock tires, carefully consider the potential ride height effect. It >>really makes a difference. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 17:55:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01694; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14860; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27418; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000105.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.117]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA03899 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:53:12 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9706261753.AA37800@204.91.98.131> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:53:37 -0400 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: 600 Mile Maintenance Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline OK. So I just contacted a Honda Shop in Manassas and they quoted me $70 plus oil and filter (~$20 total) for this maintenance. Sorry for being so green, but is this basically the 'going rate' for this area? Separately, saw the unfortunate thing last weekend up near skyline drive, just East of the Skyline Drive entrance on 211, heading down that first hill. Bike was in pieces (Honda CBR maybe??) and didn't see the rider anywhere, but ambulance and firetruck were blockign most of 211. Hope it wasn't anyone out there, looks like someone lost it on that first curve, coming up or down the hill I don't know. Thanks much for the info on the maintenance! Matt 95 Nighthawk 750 > > >My 750 Nighthawk needs it's first maintenance at 600 miles. I bought > the bike > >in Warrenton at Blalock Cycles, but I live in Herndon, so I'm > >wondering > where > >is a good place to go locally for maintenance work (Herndon area/ > >Fairfax > > >area). Also, dealer or independant mechanic? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 23:21:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08317; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20067; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15787; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA25198; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:16:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:48:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: joys of new tires To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" cc: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > I have something to add this. I have been on the SabMag (Sabre/Magna) > list for a while and a lot of people there have switched from bias ply > tires to radials says that it is a night and day difference. I bet you > are probably thinking "You shouldn't switch to radials if your bike was > designed for bias plys". Even Dunlop recommends against switching but > we (the SabMag list) think its only to cover there butt in case of a law > suite. They also recommend against it because different models of radials have different profiles which can dramatically alter handling.And radials need wider rims than bias plys of the same size. > My bike has 130/90-16 on the rear now and needs replacing. The bad news > for me is that they don't make radials in that size so I'm going to try > and squeeze a 140/80 back there. I don't know about you guys but I'm > tired of replacing those bias ply tires every 6 -7000 miles! Anyone > have an old 140/80 or 140/90 in a 16" that is worn that they are willing > to give up? It can be bias or radial. I need an old trashed tire for my > testing before I rake out over $100 for a radial. Whoa there,dude,don't do it!I made this same mistake on my 500 Interceptor because a dealer who "knew better" recommended a one size larger radial back tire.The combination of sqeezing on the larger radial plus running a bias ply on the front _really_ screwed up my handling.The bike would "fall" into turns in a way that was deffinitely not confidence inspiring. My advice would be to try different tires.Go with a set of dual-compound sport-touring tires.They last a long time and still grip in the corners. If you have to have radials,give Michelin a call.They make radials specifically for bikes that came with bias plys.But don't go with over- sized radials or mix radials and bias plys. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Petty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 06:41:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA12033; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24893; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22820; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as2s32.erols.com [207.172.111.95]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA04921 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970627064214.006c56a8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:42:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: KZ550 electricals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, I'm looking for a pair of coils for an 82 KZ550, preferably cheap. Being that it's near the good ole pay day, I'd also be interested if anyone has a starter for this bike as well. I'm not on the KZ list, so if someone could fwd this that direction also I would appreciate it very much. Thanks Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 06:54:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA12077; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24983; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22904; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC82C6.F0B23E80@XXXXXX>; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:54:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: This weekends riding Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:53:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT Is anyone interested in going riding this weekend? We have about 5 people going on Sunday. I don't have any riding plans for Saturday but could probably go if anyone is interested. Not sure where we will ride to on Sunday but we would like to leave around 9:00-9:30 AM so we can make a day of it. Let me know Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna home (703) 658-4870 mobile (703) 855-4870 work (703) 697-0615 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 10:50:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13686; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28041; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00874; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.6/) with ESMTP id JAA24468 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:49:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA01260 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:49:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA31279 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:49:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: 600 Mile Maintenance X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970627144908.AAA31279@localHost> Matt Wrote: >OK. So I just contacted a Honda Shop in Manassas and they quoted me $70 plus >oil and filter (~$20 total) for this maintenance. Sorry for being so green, >but is this basically the 'going rate' for this area? Yup. Yer paying for their labor which has already been cost out for your bike. Who cares if it only takes 20 minutes? We do, but we pay to keep our warranty intack. >Separately, saw the unfortunate thing last weekend up near skyline drive, just >East of the Skyline Drive entrance on 211, heading down that first hill. Bike >was in pieces (Honda CBR maybe??) and didn't see the rider anywhere, but >ambulance and firetruck were blockign most of 211. Hope it wasn't anyone out >there, looks like someone lost it on that first curve, coming up or down the >hill I don't know. Didn't hear about this one but I'm sorry to. If Fire trucks and an ambulance are there, not good. A good freind of mine cracked up his Katana on 211 (Thornton Gap) the weekend before. He's very ok, but bike is not. He's the same guy I mentioned about 2 months ago, wrecking the same bike the exact same way! He was way to outside on an outside corner and didn't know how to correct. Very lucky for him, we were coming down the valley side and where the lane is right next to the mountain. Otherwise he woulda been sailing! We're working on getting him something a little more manageable that doesn't cost so much when you crash it:-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 11:30:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14343; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29043; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02932; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bryndyn (spg-as53s34.erols.com [207.172.99.225]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18571 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33B40723.E9C@erols.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:32:03 -0700 From: Bryndyn Weiner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Want to see GPs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you miss watching FIM GP races on TV as much as I do, it may be worth your while to request Speedvision from you local provider. Cable TV Montgomery doesn't currently carry Speedvision, which is the only network that shows GP racing, but if they get enough requests they will broaden their available packages to meet customers' needs. So call and make a formal request with your local provider's representative. BTW, Speedvision carries tons of other race material too. Otherwise get a dish. Thanks, Bryndyn Weiner email: rzbean@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 Disclaimer: I am in no way associated with CTM, Speedvision or any other TV /cable related company. I just like to watch the real thing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 11:43:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14463; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29305; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03473; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from explorer2.clark.net (sward@XXXXXX [168.143.0.5]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09991 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sward@localhost) by explorer2.clark.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA02942 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:42:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: explorer2.clark.net: sward owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:42:51 -0400 (EDT) From: David Sward To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: md maintenance class Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those interested in a maintenance class, while montgomery county offers such a class, in both april and june the class was canceled due to insufficient attendance (I didn't sign up for the may class due to a conflict). I had my june registration pushed to july, but even the woman I spoke to wasn't confident that class would be held, suggesting that it may pick up in the fall. So, if you are interested in taking their course, sign up for the july class (July 25, 26) and perhaps it will finally be held this year. You can pick up the coursebook from your local public library. -- David Sward sward@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 11:45:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14484; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29337; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03517; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 3b3ddec0; Fri, 27 Jun 97 11:36:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:36:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3b3ddec0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: 600 Mile Maintenance To: "'DC Cycles'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Todd, >We're working on getting him something a little more manageable that >doesn't cost so much when you crash it:-) Are you talking about his ego or his ride? Two wrecks in a short time seems to indicate that something is overpowering his skills quotient. Perhaps some formal instruction would be helpful. If this friend is worth a damn, and you would like to keep him alive, you could point him to someplace that can train him. CLASS or ERC is much cheaper than fairings or funerals.JMHO Dave Choat David Choat, Visionary '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 11:57:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14585; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29485; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03982; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.6/) with ESMTP id KAA08347; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:54:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA12347; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:54:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA6101; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:54:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: cb750 , dc-cycles , st1100 Subject: Keprotec X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970627155433.AAA6101@localHost> I was recently riding in the western part of North Carolina with my friend Linda and we stopped in Hickory. Hickory, NC is the home of FastCompany, the makers of Draggin Jeans 181. The jeans are so named after the famous rt 181 running out of Morganton, NC to the parkway. They are made with a cordura/kevlar weave patches sewn into the ass and knees. The patches are called KeProtec, and are made by a company called Schoeller. Does anyone know how to acquire this material? Even though the jeans are well constructed, I don't see why a person couldn't sew their own patches into their favorite jeans, and at $70 a pair there is good incentive to learn how to sew. In any case I had already decided to buy a pair but wanted to try them on. They fit like jeans, but they are jeans with a purpose I don't want to try on. When the guy at the retail outlet showed us the results of some fairly nasty get-offs people had and sent back for repair, Linda decided they were a good purchase too (grin)! So any help with acquiring Keprotec would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 17:31:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18844; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05803; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18744; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:31:00 -0400 (EDT) From: DDWrider@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA06604; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970627172956_224978463@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: elliottm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 600 Mile Maintenance The 600 sounds like a first checkup so $75-100 is about normal for the area. Manassas Honda has a good reputation but talk a little to the Service people and learn what they did to the bike. You van learn to do the in between oil changes yourself. Dominick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 00:14:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24271; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09615; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06037; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA19709; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970628001350_1544564201@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: humor--very limited motorcycle content Hey, y'all-- Please excuse the limited motorcycle content. Motorcycle content 1: after using bar troubleshooting chart, do not ride motorcycle. Motorcycle content 2: if Roger had been riding his VFR, maybe he could have avoided the whole thing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- Bar Troubleshooting Chart SYMPTOM: Drinking fails to give taste and satisfaction, beer is unusually pale and clear. FAULT: Glass empty. ACTION REQUIRED: Find someone who will buy you another beer. SYMPTOM: Drinking fails to give taste and satisfaction, and the front of your shirt is wet. FAULT: Mouth not open when drinking or glass applied to wrong part of face. ACTION REQUIRED: Buy another beer and practice in front of mirror. Drink as many as needed to perfect drinking technique. SYMPTOM: Feet cold and wet. FAULT: Glass being held at incorrect angle. ACTION REQUIRED: Turn glass other way up so that open end points toward ceiling. SYMPTOM: Feet warm and wet. FAULT: Improper bladder control. ACTION REQUIRED: Go stand next to nearest dog. After a while complain to the owner about its lack of house training and demand a beer as compensation. SYMPTOM: Floor blurred. FAULT: You are looking through bottom of empty glass. ACTION REQUIRED: Find someone who will buy you another beer. SYMPTOM: Floor swaying. FAULT: Excessive air turbulence, perhaps due to air-hockey game in progress. ACTION REQUIRED: Insert broom handle down back of jacket. SYMPTOM: Floor moving. FAULT: You are being carried out. ACTION REQUIRED: Find out if you are taken to another bar. If not, complain loudly that you are being kidnapped. SYMPTOM: Opposite wall covered with ceiling tiles and flourscent light strip across it. FAULT: You have fallen over backward. ACTION REQUIRED: If your glass is full and no one is standing on your drinking arm, stay put. If not, get someone to help you get up, lash yourself to bar. SYMPTOM: Everything has gone dim, mouth full of cigarette butts. FAULT: You have fallen forward. ACTION REQUIRED: See above. SYMPTOM: Everything has gone dark. FAULT: The Bar is closing. ACTION REQUIRED: Panic. SYMPTOM: You awaken to find your bed hard, cold and wet. You cannot see your bedroom. FAULT: You have spent the night in the gutter. ACTION REQUIRED: Check your watch to see if bars are open yet. If not, treat yourself to a lie-in. CONTRARY to what many women believe, it's fairly easy to develop a long-term, stable, intimate, and mutually fulfilling relationship with a guy. Of course this guy has to be a Labrador retriever. With human guys, it's extremely difficult. This is because guys don't really grasp what women mean by the term relationship. Let's say a guy named Roger is attracted to a woman named Elaine. He asks her out to a movie; she accepts; they have a pretty good time. A few nights later he asks her out to dinner, and again they enjoy themselves. They continue to see each other regularly, and after a while neither one of them is seeing anybody else. And then, one evening when they're driving home, a thought occurs to Elaine, and, without really thinking, she says it aloud: ''Do you realize that, as of tonight, we've been seeing each other for exactly six months?'' And then there is silence in the car. To Elaine, it seems like a very loud silence. She thinks to herself: Geez, I wonder if it bothers him that I said that. Maybe he's been feeling confined by our relationship; maybe he thinks I'm trying to push him into some kind of obligation that he doesn't want, or isn't sure of. And Roger is thinking: Gosh. Six months. And Elaine is thinking: But, hey, I'm not so sure I want this kind of relationship, either. Sometimes I wish I had a little more space, so I'd have time to think about whether I really want us to keep going the way we are, moving steadily toward . . . I mean, where are we going? Are we just going to keep seeing each other at this level of intimacy? Are we heading toward marriage? Toward children? Toward a lifetime together? Am I ready for that level of commitment? Do I really even know this person? And Roger is thinking: . . . so that means it was . . . let's see . . . February when we started going out, which was right after I had the car at the dealer's, which means . . . lemme check the odometer . . Whoa! I am way overdue for an oil change here. And Elaine is thinking: He's upset. I can see it on his face. Maybe I'm reading this completely wrong. Maybe he wants more from our relationship, more intimacy, more commitment; maybe he has sensed -- even before I sensed it -- that I was feeling some reservations. Yes, I bet that's it. That's why he's so reluctant to say anything about his own feelings. He's afraid of being rejected. And Roger is thinking: And I'm gonna have them look at the transmission again. I don't care what those morons say, it's still not shifting right. And they better not try to blame it on the cold weather this time. What cold weather? It's 87 degrees out, and this thing is shifting like a goddamn garbage truck, and I paid those incompetent thieves $600. And Elaine is thinking: He's angry. And I don't blame him. I'd be angry, too. God, I feel so guilty, putting him through this, but I can't help the way I feel. I'm just not sure. And Roger is thinking: They'll probably say it's only a 90-day warranty. That's exactly what they're gonna say, the scumballs. And Elaine is thinking: Maybe I'm just too idealistic, waiting for a knight to come riding up on his white horse, when I'm sitting right next to a perfectly good person, a person I enjoy being with, a person I truly do care about, a person who seems to truly care about me. A person who is in pain because of my self-centered, schoolgirl romantic fantasy. And Roger is thinking: Warranty? They want a warranty? I'll give them a goddamn warranty. I'll take their warranty and stick it right up their . . . ''Roger,'' Elaine says aloud. ''What?'' says Roger, startled. ''Please don't torture yourself like this,'' she says, her eyes beginning to brim with tears. ''Maybe I should never have . . . Oh God, I feel so . . . '' (She breaks down, sobbing.) ''What?'' says Roger. ''I'm such a fool,'' Elaine sobs. ''I mean, I know there's no knight. I really know that. It's silly. There's no knight, and there's no horse.'' ''There's no horse?'' says Roger. ''You think I'm a fool, don't you?'' Elaine says. ''No!'' says Roger, glad to finally know the correct answer. ''It's just that . . . It's that I . . . I need some time,'' Elaine says. (There is a 15-second pause while Roger, thinking as fast as he can, tries to come up with a safe response. Finally he comes up with one that he thinks might work.) ''Yes,'' he says. A BEFUDDLED BEAU (Elaine, deeply moved, touches his hand.) ''Oh, Roger, do you really feel that way?'' she says. ''What way?'' says Roger. ''That way about time,'' says Elaine. ''Oh,'' says Roger. ''Yes.'' (Elaine turns to face him and gazes deeply into his eyes, causing him to become very nervous about what she might say next, especially if it involves a horse. At last she speaks.) ''Thank you, Roger,'' she says. ''Thank you,'' says Roger. Then he takes her home, and she lies on her bed, a conflicted, tortured soul, and weeps until dawn, whereas when Roger gets back to his place, he opens a bag of Doritos, turns on the TV, and immediately becomes deeply involved in a rerun of a tennis match between two Czechoslovakians he never heard of. A tiny voice in the far recesses of his mind tells him that something major was going on back there in the car, but he is pretty sure there is no way he would ever understand what, and so he figures it's better if he doesn't think about it. (This is also Roger's policy regarding world hunger.) The next day Elaine will call her closest friend, or perhaps two of them, and they will talk about this situation for six straight hours. In painstaking detail, they will analyze everything she said and everything he said, going over it time and time again, exploring every word, expression, and gesture for nuances of meaning, considering every possible ramification. They will continue to discuss this subject, off and on, for weeks, maybe months, never reaching any definite conclusions, but never getting bored with it, either. Meanwhile, Roger, while playing racquetball one day with a mutual friend of his and Elaine's, will pause just before serving, frown, and say: ''Norm, did Elaine ever own a horse?'' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Thank you and goodnight Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 22:14:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07268; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15152; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20542; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA01179; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970628221345_-1763422114@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: on the edges of my tires hey, y'all- So I've got new stock size tires on my 87 VFR700, and I'm much happier with it than the way it was before. So much so, that in the 3 days since I got the new tires, while riding gently to wear off the mold release coating and break them in, I'm already using them all the way to the edges. I am not a peg-dragger, so I have no experience in this area. Those of you who use all your rubber, I need some reassurance. I'm not dragging any parts on my all-stock bike. Will something drag before I run out of tire? Will I have any warning, or will I just slide? I need to know if I'm ok here, or if I should ride slower :-( I'll definitely be saving up for a Fox shock so I can get some CBR wheels, but that will take about as long as wearing out my new tires does. Thanks Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 22:18:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07374; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15185; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20734; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:18:31 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA01616; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970628221759_-858495122@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: 86-87 VFR corbins-volume order? Hey, y'all- sorry if this is a duplicate post. I've been having some mail trouble, Kevin --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: 86-87 VFR corbins-volume order? Date: 97-06-27 13:41:16 EDT From: KLThomas77 To: vfr@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey, y'all- I don't need a corbin for mine, nor do I want to sell the one I have. I'm thinking, however, that if a bunch of us got together and ordered 10 or 20 of these things, they'd be stupid not to make them. How about a vote? Who would pay for a new Corbin if they could get one? That's probably in the $275 area, plus shipping. Also, they had 2 models-the Gunfighter, which looks kind of like it has a rear cowl shape, and probably fits under a cowl, but is less comfortable for the passenger; and the Gunfighter and Lady, which has a comfortable pillion but will not fit under a seat cowl. Which would you want, and would you be willing to accept the other if we could only get them to make one kind? Drop me a line with your answer, and post this around to other lists as appropriate. Later Kevin KLThomas77@XXXXXX 87 VFR700 and 92 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 23:53:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10119; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15558; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27013; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([205.177.148.165] (may be forged)) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24644; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970628235506.0071fd08@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:55:06 -0400 To: KLThomas77@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: on the edges of my tires In-Reply-To: <970628221345_-1763422114@emout08.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I am not a peg-dragger, so I have no experience in this area. Those of you >who use all your rubber, I need some reassurance. I'm not dragging any parts >on my all-stock bike. Will something drag before I run out of tire? Will I >have any warning, or will I just slide? I need to know if I'm ok here, or if >I should ride slower :-( Well Kevin, The above depends on a lot of things. First off, I'm not overly familiar with the VFR 700, but riding my buddies VFR 750, I definitely found that the pegs would scrape long before getting yourself in trouble with the tires. As for sliding, different riding does diferent things. On my gixer, small, tight turns coupled with hard acceleratiojn has always made my rear creep a little. High speed sweepers are a different matter. I've gotten to where I keep pushing the bike faster and lower. Twice now the bike has flexed just right and I've scraped my right lower on the ground. Quite a few other times the pegs (especially right handers) catch the ground. The first time I did this in triple digits scared the hell out of me, slowly I've gotten used to it. A lot of the time on the high speed jobs you can keep pushing your limits till you feel both the back and front start to creep outside. Unless you have crappy tires, you should feel this slight sliding well enough to know your at that point. Recently I experienced something quite new and I'm not sure what it was, but I'm betting I was extremely near meeting the pavement: At an un-named business complex (with 11 sweet turns)in the middle of nowhere northern VA, me and a couple of other guys were playing around. On the biggest right hand sweeper (well into 3 digits) I had it down nice and low and pushing to the point that I was getting a steady crawl to the outside when the situation arose that I needed to change lines to a slightly more inside one. As I dropped it lower, the bars literally turned toward the outside of the turn!! It scared the tar out of me and somehow I managed to back off a bit and come back upright. If anyone out there can add some insight on this I'd appreciate it. If you wnat to see a pic or two of the event and the "track" layout, see the following: http:/www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/play.html It's still under a little design construction, but it'll give you the idea. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that sliding vs scraping will depend on the bike and the situation. You're biggest chances of wither are probably going to be on the slower tight stuff, especially if your keen on twisting that right hand ;^) BTW, what type of tires are you using?? Previously I was using Dunlop D204 Sportmax II's, but frankly I was tired of needing new rears every 2k miles and fronts around 4.5k to 5.5k. Even though they are cheaper than the others, that doesn't make a dran if your buying em twice as often. Recently I went out on a limb and got the new Avon Azarros. They are WONDERFUL, and no more expensive than a MEZ if you do your shopping. If you've read the article on em in this months Motorcyclist, all I can say is I agree pluss some. Sorry to continue rambling so long. Take care all. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 01:30:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11343; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 01:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16184; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 01:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28984; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 01:30:09 -0400 (EDT) From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA03929 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 01:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 01:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970629012937_-125667264@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: MC apparel for sale Hey, y'all- Somebody mentioned this source on the list a while ago. Here's what she has for sale. In Silver Spring. I haven't bought anything yet, so I can't say much about her. Kevin --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: MC apparel for sale Date: 97-06-19 22:25:27 EDT From: MotorLE To: KLThomas77 Hi Kevin, Here is what I have right now. Notice the BMW pants listed below. I am familiar with the TKO jacket, and these pants would look nice with that coat (there is only the teeniest little BMW emblem). If none of this interests you, but you'd like to know when I get more your size, let me know. You can also call, but I won't be around much until Saturday afternoon. thanks, Colleen 301/589-8869 SUITS ------ BMW 2-pc blue/gray sport suit. Zip-together set of different sizes. The jacket is small and the pants are medium. Great fit if you are a woman about 5'8" and about 125-135 lbs. Made in Germany. $275. Dainese 2-piece suit, euro size 52 (US 42). Dark blue/blue/white. Soft padding in shoulders, elbows, and hips. Knee sliders. Minor cosmetic damage. Zippers and semas all nice. $250. Harro 2-pc leather suit, euro size 52 (USA 42). Jacket black with one red sleeve and shoulder. Diagonal white stripe across chest and one white sleeve. Pants black with white stripe edged in red down one leg. Made in Germany. $450. Harro 2-pc leather suit, euro size 56 (USA 46). Black/red/white. Padding in elbows, shoulders, back, hips and knees. 2 zippered pockets inside the jacket and 2 zippered pockets on the pants. Made in Germany. $550. Hein Gericke Pilot suit, red with white trim, euro size 50 (USA 40). This is the old German version. Differences from the current US suit include snaps on the collar flap instead of velcro, the joining zipper goes all the way around, instead of just in the back, and the back of the coat is padded. Leather, zippers and lining all in fine shape. $300 for both pieces. Moto Dress 2-pc leather suit, blue euro size 56. Padded elbows, shoulders, knees, and hips. The pants are solid blue and the jacket is mostly blue with gray trim and light blue piping. $350. Thurlow jacket and overpants, grey, size 46. Not really a suit, just matching separates. The jacket is classic Thurlow style - center zip, mandarin collar, zippered hand pockets, padded elbows zippered wrists. The pants have zippers which run from the waist to the ankle and are meant to be worn over street pants. These have been much worn, but there are years of usefulness left. $300 for both pieces. Tour Master 1-piece insulated suit, black, womens medium. Remember what people had before Aerostich? Two way leg zippers that go from ankle to hip make this easy to put on. 3 large cargo pockets and 2 hand warmer pockets, built in belt, reflective stripe on sleeves and across back. Nice shape with one exception: muffler burns on the bottom inside of the legs, which have been patched with leather. $50. JACKETS -------- Brooks black leather jacket, size 34. Center zip, mandarin collar, fuzzy zip out liner, zippered sleeves and pockets, action back and buckles at sides of waist. $100. First Gear Sentry jacket, black, size small. Classic 60s style jacket. Plain front, mandarin collar, zippered slash pockets. Lightly padded shoulders and elbows. For a slender person around 5'8" or taller. $125. Harley by Hein Gericke black jacket, womens' sz 36 (about sz 6-8). Bomber style with padded elbows, snap-closure mandarin collar, and wind flap which snaps over zipper. Nicely broken in. $100. Harley by Hein Gericke black jacket sz 42. Snap out liner, adjustable waist, zippered underarm vents, adjustable waist, 2 patch pockets on chest and 2 hand pockets. $250. Hein Gericke Dakar jacket, black, size 38. D-ring waist adjusters, removable liner, zippered underarm vents. There was once a small patch sewn onto the left shoulder. It has been removed, but the mark remains. Good condition. $260. Hein Gericke V-Pilot jacket, size 38. Black with snap-out liner. Good condition. $225. Montgomery Ward black leather jacket, size L. Traditional police style jacket with removable gray fur collar. Zippered hand pockets, snap watch pocket, zippered chest pocket, belt, action back and epulates. This one is for the rock and roller in you: there are metal stars on the epulates and 6 flat chrome studs on the lower back. Nice shape. $80. Schott brown leather jacket, womens' size 14. Center zipper, snap mandarin collar, zippered hand pockets, zip sleeves, removable fuzzy liner, zipper adjustment at waist. This coat has had a lot of use in the sun, but it is still in good condition. $75. Unknown brand black leather jacket, womens' size 8. Traditional police style jacket. Diagonal main zipper, 2 zippered hand pockets, one zippered chest pocket, watch pocket and inside wallet pocket. Snap-down collar, action-back, epulates and belt. Quilted lining. Excellent condition. $60. Vanson Womens "A" jacket, size 10. Very dark brown, almost black. Center zip, mandarin collar with snap, zippered hand pockets, zippered sleeves. This jacket is old, but all seams are intact, pocket linings are good and no roadrash. Fits small, more like an 8. $135. Wilson's traditional biker style jacket, size 42. Black with fuzzy zip-out liner. $125. Wilson's traditional biker jacket, size 42. Black with Thinsulate lining. $100. Wilson's traditional biker style jacket, black sz XL. $100. PANTS ------ BMW touring pants, about size 36. Black leather, zippered front pockets, lightly padded knees, zippers at the bottom. High-backed waist. Made in Italy. $150. Harro black leather pants, womens' size 5. Traditional German biker style - 5-pocket jeans with laces all the way from the waist band to the bottom (even with the laces removed, no skin is exposed). Still new - they have not yet been hemmed and will fit up to 6' tall. They can be trimmed to fit any inseam. $150 Hein Gericke Pilot pants, black, size 32. Obviously worn, but zippers, liner and all seams in good condition. 3-1/2" have been added to the legs at the very bottom. It was professionally done and could be undone. They fit tight for a 32. $150. MX pants, size 32. Blue nylon with yellow and black stripe down side of legs. Full lining. Blue leather patches inside knees and on seat. Removable knee/shin protectors. Largish blue patches on sides say M.ROBERT. Vintage appearance - late 70s? Early 80s? No signs of use. Made in Italy $50. Vanson Highway 101 pants, black leather, size 34. To be worn alone or over jeans. Full length zippers allow you to put these on without removing your boots. Perfect condition; worn just a few times. Size is a bit off; these are tight for size 34, more like a 32. Retail from Vanson is $399. This pair $260. Wilhelm Krawehl black leather bib pants, size 31x31. Typical German styling. Two way zipper in front, buckle adjusted straps, high back, two front inside pockets, rear patch pockets, boot cut, stretch panels on sides begin above the knee and go up. The fit is for a slim torso. Soft thick leather. $175. CHAPS ------ Harley chaps, black, womens' size small. Embroidered "Harley Davidson" above right hip. Length is now for about 5'7" but can be trimmed for a shorter person. $60. ParkV black leather chaps, large. Heavy leather, heavy buckle, small inside pocket. $50. Unknown brand black leather chaps, size XS. Traditional styling with patch pocket on left hip. The waist has lots of adjustability, but the legs are narrow. $50. Unknown brand tan suede chaps, large. Cowboy chaps. For those who want to be different! $40. Unknown brand brown suede chaps, large. More cowboy chaps. See the above editorial. $40 Unknown brand black suede chaps. Thick leather, short legs. $30. BOOTS ------ BMW blue/grey boots, size 41 (about mens' 8 or womens' 10). Side-zip. Not new, but plenty of miles left and no roadrash. $45. Harley boots womens' size 7. Black cowboy style boot with 1-3/4" heel. Laces up the outer sides of the boot begin above the ankle. Trimmed at the top with a removable Harley medallion. Almost new condition. $50. Unknown brand red leather boots, size 41 (US 8). Similar in style to bates "Fastlane" boots. Rear zipper, ankle buckle and buckle at the top. Like-new condition. $40. GLOVES ------- Steinmark black lather gloves, size XS. Plain black leather gloves with small gauntlet. Unlined palms, light lining on backs of hands. Good shape, but a bit faded from the sun. $20. Tour Master winter gloves, size XL. Black with red piping. Leather palms, velcro wrist adjustment, adjustable gauntlet, and a clip so they can be kept together. Excellent condition. $25. MISC ----- Gerber folding multi-tool new in box with leather sheath. $25. Gerber sliding multi-tool new in bow with leather sheath. $35. Snap-on metric socket set. 21 pieces, sizes 6mm through 26mm. 3/8 drive, 6 point. Red plastic carrying case. Unused. $75. UFO chest/shoulders/elbow/forearm protector. A complicated plastic thing for smaller people. 140 lbs is probably the upper limit. Dirt bike people probably know about these, but if you are a street bike person, the closest comparison probably is the Dainese Safety Jacket. $40 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 18:49:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21636; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21332; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18233; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id SAA23271 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:44:19 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xmab23246; Sun, 29 Jun 97 18:43:58 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id SAA28411; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA867624614; Sun, 29 Jun 97 18:50:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9706298676.AA867624614@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 97 18:45:23 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Sunday Ride - Crash report.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings fellow bikers.. Had a bad thing happen today, one of the members on a group ride lowsided his pristine 95 VFR in a corner. The up side was that the gentleman was fine, and all the damage seemed to be cosmetic. Down side... well, I don't suspect I need to mention that. The accident was a combination of things (like always) but mostly the fact that the tires were in dire need for replacing, the rider probably had to much bike for his ability, going hot into a poorly marked corner (I'm not even sure it was marked) and lots of rear brake. With that single exception, the ride was great. Started in Bethesda, MD.. headed west and north.. on backroads up towards Frederick and Hagerstown (sorry for town spellings, I'm not sure on them). We had our incident right about the first sign of some really good twisty stuff. After we took care of that, we took off for somemore. I must say that some of the roads in the parks on the boarders of MD and PA are excellent. We're talking perfect pavement, awesome banking, easy to read lines, and (even on a Sunday) little traffic. Temperature was great too... up in the shaded mountains it was probably only 80-85 degrees.. whereas it was probably easily 90-100... I was in heaven, especially with my little VF500f and those great 25-35mph corners... this thing is SO flickable. Even though we were cooking along, I was probably only riding at 6/10 - maybe up to 7/10.... lots of reserve. Must also report that the 'Stich ventilates well... with the exception of the area above the knees and below about the solar-plexus (sp?) Anyone have clues on that? Well, even though one of our bikers went down today, I feel good about the ride... I hope everyone's riding smart and safe. Brian McCoy 86 VF500f Scrappy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 22:25:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28003; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23024; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03038; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial44.netsys.hn [207.42.181.6]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04033; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:22:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33B718A2.6D5D@netsys.hn> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:23:30 -0600 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: Curacao de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Suzuki Listing Subject: Interesting URL address! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gang, Check out this address: http://people.clarkson.edu/~domeyjj/MCSUPPLY.htm If you like it, bookmark it for future reference, huh! :-) -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 '94 BMW 325 ic Tegucigalpa, Honduras If anything can go wrong, FIX IT! (To hell with Murphy) Peter's Law From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 22:42:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28500; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23101; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netsys.hn by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04134; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.netsys.hn (dial44.netsys.hn [207.42.181.6]) by netsys.hn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA06359; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:39:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33B71C9B.50B8@netsys.hn> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:40:27 -0600 From: "Raul F. Zelaya" Reply-To: rfzelaya@XXXXXX Organization: Curacao de Honduras X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Suzuki Listing Subject: Another address!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As you can see, I'm browsing :-) Another address for those looking for books "motorcycle related" http://www.info1.com/Motorcycles/Books.idc? HAVE A GOOD ONE! :-) -- Raul F. Zelaya '96 GSX-F 750 '94 BMW 325 ic Tegucigalpa, Honduras If anything can go wrong, FIX IT! (To hell with Murphy) Peter's Law From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 08:41:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06010; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26892; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trust.edtrust.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25578; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by edtrust.org with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:41:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4573403E1443D011B14400A0C9089D32049D36@edtrust.org> From: Jeremy Wallace To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: riding friday and saturday Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:41:53 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain My girlfriend's outa town for the weekend. I'm thinking of skipping festivities altogether and heading out for a ride EARLY Friday. Maybe get a hotel room somewhere and ride some more, ending up home Saturday evening. Maybe head out to falling water, in western PA. As you can tell, I don't have any firm plans, but if anyone is interested or has any ideas, let me know. ____________________ Jeremy Wallace The Education Trust Suite 200 1725 K Street Washington, DC 20006 v: (202) 293-1217 f: (202) 293-2605 jwallace@XXXXXX http:\\www.edtrust.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 11:04:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07112; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01369; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01329; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id LAB266.37; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:03:21 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970630110527.0090a100@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:05:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: 1979 Yamaha 750 Special for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm posting this for a friend -- please email him not me. mlsfjw@XXXXXX Would some kind soul please forward this to the balt-cycles list? Thx. >1979 Yamaha 750 Special, in very clean condition. >The battery is new, and the braking system has undergone recent maintenance. >Its condition upon purchase (three years ago) leads me to believe that this >bike has been well stored and cared-for, and has never been laid-down. The >above is certainly true for the past three years. >This is a three-cylinder, direct-drive bike with mag-style wheels, good >chrome, and black accents. >It runs well, but is probably ready for another tune-up. >Actual mileage is 14,325. >Asking price is $800, or best offer. >Reason for sale: A property settlement left my wife and me with three >motorcycles. We're selling the most affordable of the bikes. >Phone (301) 293-2012 after 7:00 or on weekends, or email mlsfjw@XXXXXX. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 17:17:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12523; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09428; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daisy.snet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20576; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (hrfr03-sh8-port231.snet.net [204.60.9.231]) by daisy.snet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5/SNET-1.5) with SMTP id RAA14033; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33B821CB.7DAC@snet.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:14:51 -0400 From: Glen Farney Reply-To: glen.farney@XXXXXX Organization: http://www.ferret-fact.org/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Raul F. Zelaya" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Suzuki Listing Subject: Re: Interesting URL address! References: <33B718A2.6D5D@netsys.hn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Raul F. Zelaya wrote: > > Gang, > > Check out this address: > > http://people.clarkson.edu/~domeyjj/MCSUPPLY.htm > > If you like it, bookmark it for future reference, huh! :-) > -- > Raul F. Zelaya I like it... It's where I went to school. :-) Potdam NY, I am planning a trip up there this summer, anyone interested in going? Glen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 20:04:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17957; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11965; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04122; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbass.clark.net (kbass.clark.net [207.97.11.146]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA29988; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: kbass@XXXXXX (Ken Bass) To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: on the edges of my tires Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:58:24 GMT Message-ID: <33bb46e4.900447@168.143.0.10> References: <3.0.1.32.19970628235506.0071fd08@mail.geocities.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970628235506.0071fd08@mail.geocities.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Recently I experienced something quite new and I'm not sure what it was, >but I'm betting I was extremely near meeting the pavement: [...] > As I dropped it lower, the bars literally turned toward the outside >of the turn!! It scared the tar out of me and somehow I managed to back >off a bit and come back upright. If anyone out there can add some insight >on this I'd appreciate it. I believe this is referred to as the torque of impending death. Also known as, the city streets ain't the same as a racetrack. -- kbass@XXXXXX Software Engineering Consultant VROC #1, '96 Vulcan 1500 Classic, Jefferson, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 21:45:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21139; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12919; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12125; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:45:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA24775; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970630214437_-1696335759@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: wist@XXXXXX, sbl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help! 2 questions. Hi! This is Sharon again. I have two dilemmas, and I'm hoping all you wise women out there can help! Well... and the short guys on sbl. Oh, and I guess *everyone* on DC-Cycles. You're allowed. :-) 1) I took the MSF course this weekend. I did not pass. What I got instead was a LOT of experience picking up a Rebel. (It's actually fairly easy, but then it was a 250.) Instructors said that I had good potential, and felt my problems were: a) being 4'11" and having a hard time reaching the controls b) no experience on a bicycle - ie I didn't have that balance thing going c) the Rebel is a tough bike to learn on So here's the problem. I bought a '96 Shadow 600. She's georgous. She's showroom. She's heavy as a water buffalo. Even with a lowering package and bent-back handlebars (not yet installed), is it reasonable for me to start on her? Or do I need to give her up and get a smaller junk bike to learn on? Finances will probably not allow keeping her and buying another. SBL theory says if you want it badly enough you can do it - and I am *not* the quitting type. But I feel that given my height and (lack of) experience I need to be realistic about this. Any input? I'd hate to waste a pristine bike. I'd also hate to give up my baby! As if that wasn't enough complaining.... 2) We are moving to Pheonix (look for mail, Sian!) from Wash. DC. We need a van for furniture, plus have two cars and two bikes (his Ninja and my Shadow). I am not capable of riding a bike crosscountry *yet*. How the hell do we get everything there? Is there a way to lock down the bikes within the moving van? Then we could tow one car behind the van (him driving) and I'll drive the other car. If so, how do you keep stuff from falling on the bikes inside? OK - I'll stop now. :-) Thanks for all of your help!! Sharon Barbelle14@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 23:05:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23112; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13179; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15211; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as7s35.erols.com [207.172.71.162]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA28309; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970630223109.39cf42de@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: squeaks@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Barbelle14@XXXXXX, wist@XXXXXX, sbl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Squeakers Subject: Re: Help! 2 questions. >1) I took the MSF course this weekend. I did not pass. What I got instead was >a LOT of experience picking up a Rebel. (It's actually fairly easy, but then >it was a 250.) Instructors said that I had good potential, and felt my >problems were: > a) being 4'11" and having a hard time reaching the controls > b) no experience on a bicycle - ie I didn't have that balance thing going > c) the Rebel is a tough bike to learn on > >So here's the problem. I bought a '96 Shadow 600. She's georgous. She's >showroom. She's heavy as a water buffalo. Even with a lowering package and >bent-back handlebars (not yet installed), is it reasonable for me to start on >her? Or do I need to give her up and get a smaller junk bike to learn on? >Finances will probably not allow keeping her and buying another. > I personally think that if the rebel 250 was difficult to begin with, then the Shadow 600 will be EXTREMELY difficult. I started out on a Sporty. When I ordered the bike, I signed up for the MSF classes. They didnt have ANY bikes for us vertically challenged folks at that time, so I had to learn on a bike that kept me up on my toes. Luckily, I passed. 'course, then I got on the Sporty and promptly dropped it. Then I got on it again. And dropped it again. A heavy bike was just too much for me to learn on. You have to remember, that since you arent used to riding ANYTHING, you not only have to get the feel of "balance", but ALSO of using throttle thingys and clutch thingys and the weight of a bike all at once. And "leaning" and "looking kewl" etcetcetc.... We went looking around, and found me a used (i.e. cheap) rebel 250 to practice on. Im only 5 feet flat, and not the most muscle bound woman on earth, had never ridden or driven anything that wasnt equipped with "automatic" and hadnt ridden a bicycle in... I dont care to discuss how many years. After trying out a few different bikes, and talking to a LOT of OTHER height challenged women, I learned that, in actuality, the Rebel 250 is the easiest of all the bikes to learn on. Its light, very low and handles very easily. The Savage 450 also got alot of high marks, but that was mostly for women that were a tad over 5 feet. You really do need to be able to master and feel comfortable on a smaller bike like the Rebel BEFORE you try riding a bigger, heavier bike that could easily overpower you. You need to keep up the determined attitude to accomplish everything you have a desire to do. But with riding, we also have to balance determination with safety. An accident on a bike can be, and unfortunately often is.... catastrophic. Take it easy. Start slow. Work up. I figure if *I* can do it, then anyone can! :) I cant stress enough my opinion on this. If the bike is too big and heavy to feel comfortable on, and you're JUST learning, then please please please consider a smaller used bike. Life's too short to shorten it even more. Well. You know what they say about opinions. :) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 23:26:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23525; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13571; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18861; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15811; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:21:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:18:51 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Help! 2 questions. To: Barbelle14@XXXXXX cc: wist@XXXXXX, sbl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <970630214437_-1696335759@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sharon, Just my $.02. A:I personally wouldn't recommend learning on a new bike(except maybe a trailie). B:Have you considered getting your own Rebel 250?A Yamaha Route 66 or Suzuki Savage(the thumper) would also be lighter than the Shadow. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Petty Hate Machine" "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson