From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 07:53:48 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:53:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX AR: >I recently resubscribed to the list after a couple >years out of the DC area. [Dave] Welcome back > The list traffic is definitely way, way down as compared to >the summer of 2000 when I first heard about DC-Cycles at a >bike night at Greveys in Falls Church. [Dave] wait for rain ;-) then the list will perk right back up. > >Is everyone now just on forums, or devoted to >track-only riding? Or gone from DC? [Dave] Still a lot subbed to DCC but I think that the first real 'warm' temps will have everyone preoccupied for a while. I was finally able to get out Monday and it was beautiful. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 08:15:18 2005 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:15:07 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet Adam Reinhardt wrote: >I recently resubscribed to the list after a couple >years out of the DC area. The list traffic is >definitely way, way down as compared to the summer of >2000 when I first heard about DC-Cycles at a bike >night at Greveys in Falls Church. > > Welcome back, we are here. >Is everyone now just on forums, or devoted to >track-only riding? Or gone from DC? > > > Just ask a simple question, Mike B. will be sure and reply with 500k worth of characters - mostly about nothing ;). ( jokes Mike, jokes). > >Adam > > Tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 08:20:17 2005 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:20:07 -0400 From: Larry Meyer To: DC Cycles List Subject: [dc-cycles] Poker Run Saturday June 4 This benefits the wife of a coworker of mine. She lost her leg and nearly her life when an oncoming cage driver decided one lane wasn't enough. Check it out. http://www.redknightsva7.com/documents/DeannaFlyer.htm Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 08:32:44 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:51:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcyclist mag helmet review and Z1R Shark identity On Tue, 31 May 2005, matthew patton wrote: > I just threw my '97 Shoei RF800 in the trash. Ditto my '99 HJC CL-11. > For $89 I picked up a Z1R Shark which the article in question gushed > about. Z1R wholesale copied the CL-11. The shape is the same, the pads > are the same, the venting is the same, the shields are the same, the > side plates are the same. ONly difference is the foam which is DOT-only > and not SNELL rated. So now I can happily use my misc shields for the > CL-11 on my brand new CL-11 clone. Cool! > > Better a $100 helmet every year than a $500 lid every 5 years. http://www.smf.org/pdf/articles/btlo_response.pdf -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 08:43:54 2005 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:39:40 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet Adam Reinhardt wrote: >Is everyone now just on forums, or devoted to >track-only riding? Or gone from DC? > > sunshine wakes us now, the time for riding has come. more typing with snow. -- _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 10:10:02 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:09:49 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Running around PA Hey all, just got back from a short day-and-a-half run up north(ish). I'd originally wanted to run down to Deal's Gap, but the weather and the wife put a Nix on taking all three days. So, I ended up taking half of Sunday and all of Monday just scooting around on Blue Bayou (my FJR1300). My plan was pretty vague... "Go North!" After checking what the weathergoons thought was going to happen, that seemed to be the best option. So, Sunday afternoon I headed over to a buddy's place to see if I could talk him in to coming along. By the time we'd watched the Indy race, the superbike race at Silverstone, and about a third of the Nascar race, I figured out he wasn't going to go. :) So, I took off while I still had a fair amount of daylight left. The basic route was from Springfield, VA to Leesburg then somehow to Frederick, MD. Then Hwy 15 through Thurmont, Emmitsburg and into Gettysburg. Hwy 30 over to York (which sucks, BTW), through Lancaster and finally snagged some superslab miles into Lionville for a room. Nothing real exciting happened on the way, other than overtaking an Amish horsebuggy or two (they have some awesome lighting systems on those things!) The next morning was straight into Valley Forge National Park. A neat place if you're in the area. Lots of nice scenery and it's real relaxing. A nice way to wake up before having to really be alert and on edge. I spent about two or three hours in and around Valley Forge NP. Then I did some scooting on down to Holtwood where I crossed the river (Susquehanna?) - there aren't a whole lot of places to get across that one. From there into Maryland... Westminster, Libertyville, Frederick then south across the Potomac. I did some exploring along the river, gradually heading south. I'd wanted to cross the Potomac at a particular point - Whites Ferry. AFAIK, it's the only ferry crossing for a long ways. It was interesting, but too short... the Potomac is still just a baby there. From there, it was a scoot down 15 towards my usual city-traffic, which I won't bore you with. All in all, I had a great riding day today. Only about two hours were spent in the rain (which was never heavy) and most of the time I was utterly lost and just following the compass... this is not a bad thing, IMO. Found some great roads and great food (had one of the best sandwiches and cherry pie ever)! Blue ran like a top and Johnny Law must have been sleeping. :) Total - about 10 hours of saddle time Monday and about 6 or so Sunday. All of them good! I hope your weekend was as good or better... if not, get out there! :P --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 11:23:13 2005 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:22:52 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet To: ajreinhardt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX We're still here. Just busy working or riding. :-) Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet I recently resubscribed to the list after a couple years out of the DC area. The list traffic is definitely way, way down as compared to the summer of 2000 when I first heard about DC-Cycles at a bike night at Greveys in Falls Church. Is everyone now just on forums, or devoted to track-only riding? Or gone from DC? Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 12:36:21 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:37:00 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: It's synthetic oil. Once you use it any motorcycle engine, your email program stops working. Actually I stopped riding about a year ago for budgetary reasons but took my CBR out of storage last Friday. It was one too many mornings with my face stuck up against the metro train doors. I disconnected the battery from from the Tender and reinstalled it, dusted off the seat, put in the key and my blessed Honda started on the third crank. Sweet, sweet sound. I rode it straight to the service station to pump up the tires and hit the road. That night I washed a year's worth of dirt off of it and Saturday I dropped it off at Mananssas Honda for service. Some of the air leakage and vague steering was explained by the large sheet metal screw sticking out the centerline of the tread, but the Dunlop was due for replacment this season anyway. I spent some time on the sales floor and was all set to buy the clean, used VFR800 they had when my wife showed up and dragged me off to the shopping mall :( Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA >SELECT * FROM Users WHERE clue > 0 0 rows returned - Is everyone now just on forums, or devoted to track-only riding? Or gone from DC? Adam From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 12:58:01 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:57:44 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cedric lamented his tale of woe: ... I spent some time on the sales floor and was all set to buy the clean, used VFR800 they had when my wife showed up and dragged me off to the shopping mall :( [Dave] Damn... that's harsh. Maybe you could get even by disassembling your beloved Honda in the living room... Next time you're hauled off to the mall as punishment you could legitimately proclaim "but you've been complaining I need to put the bike back together..."... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 13:53:38 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:53:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcyclist mag helmet review and Z1R Shark identity > Better a $100 helmet every year than a $500 lid every 5 years. Better yet, a $500 helmet every year -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 14:54:58 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:54:50 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] cheap lodging? I might have to come back to DC for a 6mo contracting job. Anyone got a room for like $300/mo that I could rent? Room for a cycle would be great too. some place in NoVA with reasonably good access to the Pentagon or Dulles/Herndon areas. my needs are quite simple. I'd be gone at least 1/2 the weekends is not most of them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 20:05:26 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the comet To: Stephen , DC-Cycles ~1900 miles through va, nc, ga, sc, tn, ky, wv for me. hope everyone had a safe holiday weekend. -- tg --- Stephen wrote: > Have I fallen off the list, or has everyone gone riding > for the week? > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 3 20:56:04 2005 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,168,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="1166972484:sNHT19947530" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" , Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:55:54 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Day of the Comet Tom, It sounds like your travels may have bought you close to our new residence. We have moved to Boone in Western North Carolina, there is some fantastic riding in our area. You'll have to give us a shout if you plan on riding in the Shady Valley area any time soon! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR600, track only Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the comet To: Stephen , DC-Cycles ~1900 miles through va, nc, ga, sc, tn, ky, wv for me. hope everyone had a safe holiday weekend. -- tg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 5 19:14:42 2005 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the Comet To: Lisa Goddard , DC Cycles yep, passed right through boone on day 2: http://www.kajota.com:6969/Memorial%20Day%20Trip%202005/pages/image_map%20Day%202.html congrats on your move, goddards. man would it be nice to have those roads right outside your door. --tg --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > > Tom, > > It sounds like your travels may have bought you close to > our new residence. > We have moved to Boone in Western North Carolina, there > is some fantastic > riding in our area. You'll have to give us a shout if > you plan on riding in > the Shady Valley area any time soon! > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > '97 GSXR600, track only > > > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the comet > To: Stephen , DC-Cycles > > > ~1900 miles through va, nc, ga, sc, tn, ky, wv for me. > hope everyone had a safe holiday weekend. > > > -- > tg > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 6 07:11:25 2005 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the Comet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Boone has some awesome riding. US 221 (I think) south out of town is amazing. Glenn --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > > Tom, > > It sounds like your travels may have bought you > close to our new residence. > We have moved to Boone in Western North Carolina, > there is some fantastic > riding in our area. You'll have to give us a shout > if you plan on riding in > the Shady Valley area any time soon! > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > '97 GSXR600, track only > > > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the comet > To: Stephen , DC-Cycles > > > ~1900 miles through va, nc, ga, sc, tn, ky, wv for > me. > hope everyone had a safe holiday weekend. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 6 08:12:23 2005 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:12:19 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the Comet Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Boone has some awesome riding. US 221 (I think) south > out of town is amazing. Just back from my first pass through the Smokies and stopping in to bother Jay & Lisa (bought a can of chain lube, so I claim the honor of being the first of the DC-Cycles gang to buy from them). All I have to say is that there really are no bad road choices in the area. Some are better than others, but all are pretty good. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 6 18:42:00 2005 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:44:49 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Marc Read Subject: [dc-cycles] For Sale From a lurker (I think I've posted three times in 4 years)... For sale due to relocation to England. Kawasaki ZR7s (750cc all-rounder) with factory hardbags. '02 model, 6500 miles, metallic blue/purple, good condition. $3500 or reasonable offer. Available anytime after June 22nd. More details on request. Thanks, Marc -- Marc Read **** marc@XXXXXX (home) marc_read@XXXXXX (work) **** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 8 12:53:48 2005 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:54:17 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" Subject: [dc-cycles] Something different Interesting charity ride: http://www.chefsonbikes.com/ Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 08:27:18 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 05:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Tires Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of these online dealers? American Motorcycle Tires Parts411.com MAW-Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse TIA, Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 08:35:55 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:35:49 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires To: DCcycles >Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of >these online dealers? > >American Motorcycle Tires >Parts411.com >MAW-Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse [Dave] Ian, long ago, I successfully ordered some stuff from MAW, but I understand that others have had problems... I've had good results from dennis kirk tho... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 08:47:27 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Ian Schmidt wrote: > Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of > these online dealers? I have not heard anything good about MAW. There's a guy that supports the 'Busa board and I buy my tires from him. His company is www.streetntrackimport.com and his name is Charles. I bought my BT014s from him last year. Hope that helps. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 11:23:34 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:23:24 +0000 From: corey To: DCcycles X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - victory.vs4dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - egoinc.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [dc-cycles] jackets i'm in the market for a leather jacket. after spending the last few days sweating in my JR textile upper, i'm considering going with a fully perforated jacket. eyeing up this Icon Pursuit jobby: http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/36-ICON-5 also considering the alpinestars tz-1: not fully perfed, but fairly breathable from what i read: http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/36-ALP05-1 anybody have experience with either of these jackets or have an opinion on running perforated leather year-round in DC? my hope is that i can run some underarmor cold gear underneath in the spring/fall or wear a windbreaker over it if it gets too cold. - corey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 11:38:50 2005 From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires To: DCcycles Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:38:45 -0400 Before purchasing tires, make sure you have someone who will install and balance them for you. Every shop I've tried to deal with has refuse to deal with tires I did not purchase from them. About two years ago, The Dirt Shop in College Park actually told me on the phone that they would do it, no problem. I ordered the tires, and then when I took them there, they said that they wouldn't install them, and, to add insult to injury, were beligerant with me about it too. Needless to say, after that, they are not getting any more of my business. I have placed many successful orders with MAW. On one occasion, they got the order wrong, and gave me no trouble with a return and filling it correctly. YMMV Stephen On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Ian Schmidt wrote: > > > Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of > > these online dealers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 12:39:56 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'theoctopus@XXXXXX'" , DCcycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Tires Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:39:47 -0400 JT's in Frederick will do it. I've taken my tires there a couple of times. Art -----Original Message----- From: theoctopus@XXXXXX [mailto:theoctopus@XXXXXX] To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires Before purchasing tires, make sure you have someone who will install and balance them for you. Every shop I've tried to deal with has refuse to deal with tires I did not purchase from them. About two years ago, The Dirt Shop in College Park actually told me on the phone that they would do it, no problem. I ordered the tires, and then when I took them there, they said that they wouldn't install them, and, to add insult to injury, were beligerant with me about it too. Needless to say, after that, they are not getting any more of my business. I have placed many successful orders with MAW. On one occasion, they got the order wrong, and gave me no trouble with a return and filling it correctly. YMMV Stephen On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Ian Schmidt wrote: > > > Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of > > these online dealers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 13:44:55 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:44:43 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: corey Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] jackets Cc: DCcycles My setup is like this: 1. One fully perferated jacket 2. One non perferated jacket with large zippered closable perferatons going from my chest over my shoulders. 3. One 2 peice full leather suit 4. Windbreaker that stays in the trunk for the fluxuating weather months When it's hot as hell, I only have/wear the fully perforated. When it's hot in the day and chilly at night, I have the perforated and the windbreaker. When i'ts nice out, but cooler at night, I'll have the non perforated and the windbreaker. when it's universally chilly I'll wear the 2 peice leathers. One jacket isn't enough IMO. One perferated, one non perf., and one windbreaker, is ideal. Although if I were going to only own one jacket, it would be perforated with a windbreaker. It's nice having a spare jacket anyway. And someone elses insurance may end up paying you for your jacket anway..with as many bad dc drivers we have. Always keep your gear reciepts, with your MC paperwork. I do want to get perforated pants too. Oh and I usually wear dirtbike knee armour under my jeans. I feel knees are far too fragile.. I need to find something for my hips too. On 6/9/05, corey wrote: > i'm in the market for a leather jacket. after spending the last few days > sweating in my JR textile upper, i'm considering going with a fully perforated > jacket. eyeing up this Icon Pursuit jobby: > http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/36-ICON-5 > > also considering the alpinestars tz-1: not fully perfed, but fairly breathable > from what i read: > http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/36-ALP05-1 > > anybody have experience with either of these jackets or have an opinion on > running perforated leather year-round in DC? my hope is that i can run some > underarmor cold gear underneath in the spring/fall or wear a windbreaker over > it if it gets too cold. > > - corey > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 14:01:27 2005 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:01:16 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires Manassass Honda will put your ordered tires on - but only on Hondas. Tom de Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >JT's in Frederick will do it. I've taken my tires there a couple of times. > >Art >-----Original Message----- >From: theoctopus@XXXXXX [mailto:theoctopus@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:39 AM >To: DCcycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires > >Before purchasing tires, make sure you have someone who >will install and balance them for you. Every shop I've >tried to deal with has refuse to deal with tires I did not >purchase from them. About two years ago, The Dirt Shop in >College Park actually told me on the phone that they would >do it, no problem. I ordered the tires, and then when I >took them there, they said that they wouldn't install them, >and, to add insult to injury, were beligerant with me about >it too. > >Needless to say, after that, they are not getting any more >of my business. > >I have placed many successful orders with MAW. On one >occasion, they got the order wrong, and gave me no trouble >with a return and filling it correctly. YMMV > >Stephen > > >On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >>On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Ian Schmidt wrote: >> >> >> >>>Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of >>>these online dealers? >>> >>> > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 14:08:15 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:08:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires To: "De Boeser, Tom" , DCcycles Manassas honda is actually Manassas Honda Kawasaki, so same holds true for the greenies. fyi. - Jimmy --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > Manassass Honda will put your ordered tires on - but only on > Hondas. > > Tom de __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 18:37:00 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:36:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires To: DCcycles --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I have not heard anything good about MAW. To be fair, several people have posted in the past about good experiences with MAW, including me. YMMV, of course -- I have no doubt there have been some people who've had bad experiences, but there are far, far more bandwagon-hoppers, just as with Coleman's. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 20:29:08 2005 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:27:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires Ill pile on this bandwagon. I have ordered maybe 10 times from MAW and it has been fine every time. Not always the fastest, and the website is heinous, but they are cheap and have always provided what is advertised. Do your research at the manufacturers site and get it from MAW. Chris >--- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > I have not heard anything good about MAW. > >To be fair, several people have posted in the past about good experiences with >MAW, including me. > >YMMV, of course -- I have no doubt there have been some people who've had bad >experiences, but there are far, far more bandwagon-hoppers, just as with >Coleman's. > >-- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 08:34:04 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Tires To: DCcycles I have bought tires from Parts411 and MAW. No problems. But, best experience had to be from www.swmototires.com. About tire installation, the best place has to be through CAD cycles in Gaithersburgh. Through them, it is ~$19 per tire if wheel is OFF the bike and $35 per tire if wheel is ON the bike. And, you do not have to buy from them. Ryan __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 09:40:02 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:39:49 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza Anyone ever get stopped for going to fast through the Dulles Toll Road main toll plaza? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 09:50:57 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I believe this question came up a few months ago and the general feeling was 1) the sensor will still register at double the posted speed limit (probably higher too?) and 2) LEOs sometimes do monitor traffic going through the gates (I imagine they would pursue someone blasting through the gate?). I've gone through the EZPass lane at 70mph and got the green "toll paid" light........ - Jimmy --- rich hall wrote: > Anyone ever get stopped for going to fast through the Dulles Toll > Road main > toll plaza? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 09:51:28 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:51:17 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rich asked: Anyone ever get stopped for going to fast through the Dulles Toll Road main toll plaza? [Dave] First, thanks for helping to keep Unfairtax county taxes just a little bit lower by using the toll road ;-) Virginia taxes too.. My wife uses the toll road on an irregular basis, but she used to use it all the time, even had one of the dumbtags. In the few times I've used it, when I try to slow down to about 15 - 20 mph OVER the posted limit near the plaza, I get death threats, dirty looks, and I doubt those people were remarking what a 'safe driver' I was being. My point is you would have to be doing an extraordinary speed to stand out. OR, get pulled over by a bike hating cop. The posted limits around the toll lanes are ridiculously low, and routinely ignored. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 09:57:33 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:57:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Two dnifferent people at work have had two different experiences. The first one got a letter in the mail saying he was going to fast through the plaza. The other got pulled over for speeding right outside the "fast lanes" by moto LEOs doing radar. Glen --- rich hall wrote: > Anyone ever get stopped for going to fast through > the Dulles Toll Road main > toll plaza? > > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 10:05:40 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:05:38 -0400 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza I've seen official vehicles parked in the median many times, but most seemed to be ticketing toll-pass lane violaters, not speeders. The average speed going through the plaza is pretty danged expeditious, I'm barely keeping up with traffic at 65. Robert On 6/10/05, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Two dnifferent people at work have had two different > experiences. The first one got a letter in the mail > saying he was going to fast through the plaza. The > other got pulled over for speeding right outside the > "fast lanes" by moto LEOs doing radar. > > Glen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 11:01:19 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:01:02 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Robert Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I've seen official vehicles parked in the median many times, but most > seemed to be ticketing toll-pass lane violaters, not speeders. I've also seen State Troopers standing on the concrete islands, nonchalantly leaning on the "Toll Paid" lights watching oncoming traffic. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 11:16:19 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:16:07 -0400 From: skip To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza Two stories: I had a friend that used the toll road every day at around 12pm. He would go through at about 50-55. he started wondering, "just how fast -can- I go before it won't register?" so the next day, 75. fine the day after 90. fine the day after 105. fine he said to himself, "there is no speed that i can attain that it will not register." so the next day he goes through at the normal speed, and there's a cop running radar. second story: I know two people who got reckless driving tickets for "speeding" through the fasttool lanes. both were going with the flow of traffic at the time. I suspect that when they're low on their quota they hang out there to fluff their numbers a bit. --skip rich hall wrote: > > Anyone ever get stopped for going to fast through the Dulles Toll Road main > toll plaza? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 11:40:47 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX the toll lanes here in IL have big, nasty dips in the lanes so 40-50mph is about the most I'd go thru there. Because to miss the dips, you end up hugging the wall and I don't like the feel of concrete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 12:03:17 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) For those of you with two-stroke experience, I was riding my Honda NSR SE/SP on its first day assembled in the US. Everything was fine for the first hour or so but then, with no warning, the bike began to die as if it had an electrical or ignition problem. I tried to keep reving it to keep it from dying but my efforts failed and the bike stalled out. I didn't hear any snaps, cracks or bangs, but I can no longer turn over the motor with the kick start, which makes me think it might have seized. I haven't had a chance to look inside the cylinders for problems. In the mean time I want to post in order to get a couple responses while I make arrangements to get the bike towed back to the garage. I guess I'm clinging to the thought that it *could* be something else and not a seizure. Thanks Adam __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 12:14:48 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) To: Adam Reinhardt , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not very familiar with two-strokes, but with bike in low gear, are you able to rotate the rear tire.....as in turning the motor over? This may not be the easiest thing on a high compression motor and/or 2stroke, but if you can't manually move the innards ie piston of the motor, then it is likely seized. Thought, I'm not sure the kickstart lever would move if it is seized......I have no clue on that one. From your description, it sounds seized :( . Bummer if so. - Jimmy --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > For those of you with two-stroke experience, I was > riding my Honda NSR SE/SP on its first day assembled > in the US. Everything was fine for the first hour or > so but then, with no warning, the bike began to die as > if it had an electrical or ignition problem. I tried > to keep reving it to keep it from dying but my efforts > failed and the bike stalled out. > > I didn't hear any snaps, cracks or bangs, but I can no > longer turn over the motor with the kick start, which > makes me think it might have seized. > > I haven't had a chance to look inside the cylinders > for problems. In the mean time I want to post in > order to get a couple responses while I make > arrangements to get the bike towed back to the garage. > > I guess I'm clinging to the thought that it *could* be > something else and not a seizure. > > Thanks > > Adam > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 12:36:31 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:36:24 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) Pull the plugs and try to kick it. If it won't turn with the plugs out, you're siezed. If it does kick, you either have REALLY high compression (I'm not familiar with the NSRs but I'd imagine they could throw you over the bars with the kick starter) or clogged reed/port setup - assuming the NSR works on a reed or port system instead of a valve. I don't think you can use valves on a 2-stroke, but it's been a LONG time since since I've dealt with them (mine was a '75 GT750 to give you an idea of how long ago it was), so I have no idea how much the technology might have changed. Short version: sounds siezed to me, but there's a possibilty it's something else. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ On 6/10/05, Adam Reinhardt wrote: > For those of you with two-stroke experience, I was > riding my Honda NSR SE/SP on its first day assembled > in the US. Everything was fine for the first hour or > so but then, with no warning, the bike began to die as > if it had an electrical or ignition problem. I tried > to keep reving it to keep it from dying but my efforts > failed and the bike stalled out. > > I didn't hear any snaps, cracks or bangs, but I can no > longer turn over the motor with the kick start, which > makes me think it might have seized. > > I haven't had a chance to look inside the cylinders > for problems. In the mean time I want to post in > order to get a couple responses while I make > arrangements to get the bike towed back to the garage. > > I guess I'm clinging to the thought that it *could* be > something else and not a seizure. > > Thanks > > Adam From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 13:03:41 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX No question is too silly. I checked all fluids except I now realize that I forgot to check the gear box oil, which could be where the problem is. Adam --- skip wrote: > silly question, but is there oil in it? > > Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > > > For those of you with two-stroke experience, I was > > riding my Honda NSR SE/SP on its first day > assembled > > in the US. Everything was fine for the first hour > or > > so but then, with no warning, the bike began to > die as > > if it had an electrical or ignition problem. I > tried > > to keep reving it to keep it from dying but my > efforts > > failed and the bike stalled out. > > > > I didn't hear any snaps, cracks or bangs, but I > can no > > longer turn over the motor with the kick start, > which > > makes me think it might have seized. > > > > I haven't had a chance to look inside the > cylinders > > for problems. In the mean time I want to post in > > order to get a couple responses while I make > > arrangements to get the bike towed back to the > garage. > > > > I guess I'm clinging to the thought that it > *could* be > > something else and not a seizure. > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 14:47:08 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:47:05 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > No question is too silly. I checked all fluids except > I now realize that I forgot to check the gear box oil, > which could be where the problem is. Engine lube - direct injection or pre-mix? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 21:42:17 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:40:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) At 07:00 PM 6/10/2005, you wrote: >From: "James O'Connor" > >Not very familiar with two-strokes, but with bike in low gear, are >you able to rotate the rear tire.....as in turning the motor over? Just to be nitpicky, it will turn easier in high gear than low gear. Low gear: More crank turns per wheel turn. High gear: Less crank turns per wheel turn. Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 11 08:38:09 2005 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 08:37:53 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] short notice ride I'm going to leave in about 30 minutes to an hour: heading out to skyline drive for the day -- see how far I feel like going down it. if you want to come, call me 571-228-7119 --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 12 01:37:11 2005 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:36:49 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles , maggot Subject: [dc-cycles] ride report the initial plan was to ride skyline drive. A friend was going to be in Charlottesville, and it would have been nice to see him. so i gassed up headed out. took 340 off of 66 to warrenton, then took 211. wasn't hammering it up the mountain, but I wasn't taking it real easy. it was just right. no other traffic, free. about the top, where the entrance for the park is, it started raining. and by "rain" what I mean is "dumping buckets". looking to the south, it looked bad. I bailed on skyline drive, and just stayed on 211. the bike felt pretty solid in the wet. I was very relieved, as I haven't' done too much riding in the rain. after i got off the peak, the rain slowed. my original destination discarded, I had nowhere to go, nd all day to get there. about 3/4 of the way down the west side, I turned towards "jewel hollow" on some little road. t went from gravel to 1 lane paved, back to gravel. twisty, turny, wet, and un familiar. it was a blast. making twists and turns, I snaked my way back towards the mountains and ended up at a fire road entrance. I hung out and listened to the rain for about 15-20 minutes, and took off. winding my way away from the mountains, I ran into 340. I took that back to 211, and continued west. climbing another mountain, passed a harley gathering spot. it's in the middle of a big right hander, and I was cookin'. I was nearly touching a peg for the whole turn and thought, God, would it -suck- to go down in front of all these folks... but I was unable to out ride the capabilities of my bike :~) stayed on 211, and ran into 42. I recognized it, so I took it. I ended up near bryce, so I headed that way. I've been going down to bryce for nearly 20 years. my STBX's father lives there. I've been ==dying== to take a bike down that road. I had a great run down it. very smooth... had some really good pulled pork and scalloped potatoes at the "263 diner". trust me about the scalloped potatoes. another great run up the mountain, I took 42 north, not knowing exactly where it went, but suspecting it went the general way that i wanted to go. I ended up crossing 81 as the skies were beginning to open again. I looked north, considering a strafing run home, but the skies were solid and ==raining==. looking south, I saw clear skies. the decision was made. I got on 11, and headed south, back to 211. stayed on 211 ad had great runs u and down the mountain. I went into one turn a little too hot, and knowing that aborting the mission was no longer possible, I just kept pushing it over. I was pleased that the tires held, cause it would have --sucked-- tires failing to hold in a turn is my biggest 'gear fear' when it comes to riding, so getting a peg down for a good long grind was a satisfying accomplishment. after getting back to 29, I took dumfries road, because i've always wanted to know where it went. I ended up being near a friend's house, so i dropped by. he wasn't' home, so i took advantage of his shady porch to let my socks, shoes and feet dry out, and took about a 15 minute nap. I took a lame route from there, but I was getting tired, and I was starting to get 'monkey butt'. arriving home, I grabbed a cold beer and put my feet up... mission accomplished. -skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 12 07:01:11 2005 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:01:04 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: skip Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ride report Cc: DC Cycles , maggot > my original destination discarded, I had nowhere to go, nd all day to > get there. Nice ride - some of the best rides just happen - planning be damned! -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 13 03:12:18 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:12:09 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Half a day to Skyline Hey all, Just a quick report on my outing this weekend... Sunday the wife and I both had separate plans till about three'ish. Then I figure it's time to go for a ride. I convince the wife that she needs to spend some quality time in the saddle and that Skyline drive would be a good quick trip. I'm trying to slowly build her up to some serious saddle time... like "two-week vacation on the bike" saddle time, gotta start somewhere. Anyway, we get her as geared up as possible using a combination of some of her hiking gear and some of my smaller bike gear. We then head on out towards Skyline. I figured that I'd start at 211 (Thornton Gap) and just cruise up to Front Royal so we'd have a good selection of food when we were done with the majority of the ride. I stick my head over my shoulder to ask her how she's doing at every stop light on hwy 29 - no complaints come back to me. We get through Warrenton and are at another damned light when she starts mentioning a friend who lives not too far away and that we should stop and see them. "Like Hell!" methinks and politely offer to check in with them on the way back. She buys it so we cruise on up 211 towards Sperryville. We pass lots of bikes (including another FJR... "heyya"), the usual cop in the median as we get close to Washington, then we pull into the last Shell station before Sperryville. Time to take a quick stretch and explain cornering and leaning. I do so and basically manage to get an agreement that she won't do anything "funky" while I'm leaned over and that she'll either lean or not lean, but that she promises not to change her mind about anything while approaching or in the middle of a curve. Sounds to me like she's got the basics down and we head off towards the last couple of miles of 211 before Skyline. We hit the first couple of decent corners (okay, sweepers) on the bottom of the mountain and the wife does just fine. We then get up into the more entertaining bits and all of the sudden she goes "floppy" on me. I have to interject here that it's not uncommon for my wife to fall asleep on the back of a motorcycle... I don't understand it, but it happens. I figure she just fell asleep and is leaning against me so I just keep on heading up the mountain. I scraped my peg feeler once, which surprised the hell out of me. Not "scared", just surprised. I didn't think I was that far over and I'd forgotten about the extra weight on the back maybe stealing some of my clearance. I didn't actually think I was anywhere close to touching down because the bike wasn't complaining in the slightest. I think the FJR is actually more stable two-up than with just me. Time to do some suspension tweaking. Anyway.... We make it up to the ranger station on Skyline, pay the good man our money and head through the tunnel to the first overlook (that's South, BTW. I just like the tunnel). We hops off and I swap to the "pudding bowl" helmet for the rest of Skyline (yes, I know and I don't care - it's 35 mph for god's sake!). Wife is fine and claims she was awake for all of 211 and that it wasn't that bad. Didn't notice any weird scraping sounds on the turns. ;) Anyway... the rest of the trip was uneventful, but successful with the following exceptions... The new digital camera does NOT take 1 GB cards and no one checked this before leaving the house. The FJR *really* likes to pop up the front wheel when riding two-up. Wife gets exhausted riding and is now in a temporary coma. I just realized I had two large iced teas with dinner before we got home which is why I'm awake at 3 am. Time to order some more gear, I think. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 13 12:07:35 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:07:21 -0400 From: Eric Geary To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Tire changing (mount and balance) So colemans wants $100 and i def can not afford that, anyone know what i need to buy to do it myself and where i can get them (links if possible). or maybe even a cheaper place to get it done, but i figured for 100 i could buy my own tools since my gs has a centerstand i dont need one if those thanks in advance! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 13 12:12:28 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tire changing (mount and balance) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX tire irons at about $15 x 3 and something to break the bead. I have a harborfreight tire changer which is a neat little gadget ($75 all told) but I can't find a way to mount the damn thing. I have unusual constraints, like not being able to drill holes in the concrete floor to anchor it and I've discovered that poorly done blacktop doesn't hold squat. So if you can solid mount it, it's great. If you want your rims to be perfect for the next ten years, then probably don't. anyone want a tire changer? Not sure how I'd get it to DC from Chicago though. hard to strap onto the back of a bike... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 13 12:47:01 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tire changing (mount and balance) To: Eric Geary , DCcycles Well, if you're a really cheap b***d you'll get a pair of tire spoons (or a cheap substitute,) a couple of short 2x4 pieces, and a big C-clamp. Motorcycle tires are easy. Some of those wide radials that go on cars can be a real PIA. Leon. --- Eric Geary wrote: > So colemans wants $100 and i def can not afford > that, anyone know what > i need to buy to do it myself and where i can get > them (links if > possible). > > or maybe even a cheaper place to get it done, but i > figured for 100 i > could buy my own tools since my gs has a centerstand > i dont need one > if those > > thanks in advance! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 13 13:05:19 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: 04 CBR600 Posting for a friend of mine, e-mail me or him if you want pics, otherwise contact him regarding the sale: 2004 Honda CBR 600F4i It's got ~4400 miles, always been garaged, only ridden in nice weather, and never been laid down. $6500 Contact Mike: mikersoft@XXXXXX (703) 989-8682 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 07:23:36 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:23:29 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today > You didn't get the memo it's national Idiot driver day. What a coincidence, tomorrow is, too. And the day after... Be careful out there. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 07:52:52 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:52:42 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> You didn't get the memo it's national Idiot driver day. > >What a coincidence, tomorrow is, too. > >And the day after... > >Be careful out there. [Dave] It seems we're conducting a region wide experiment in just how dumb people can be behind the wheel. This is in addition to how stupid our state/city/commonwealth transportation departments can be. I'm not sure when the experiment began, or where the 'control' areas are, but I'll be glad when the experiment is over. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 09:36:39 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:36:25 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yep, saw the experiment in action this morning while walking to work. Yes, I live 10 blocks away from my office and walk to work. :-) Anyway, corner of 9th and Mass right in front of the New Convention Center, mommy van decided to make a right turn from the far left lane directly in front of another car headed in the same direction in the right lane. Passenger side of the mommy van and the front end of the other car smashed in. There was even a firetruck right behind them headed back to their station when it happened. They stopped, assessed the situation and started directing traffic while they waited for the cops. Gotta love DC drivers. hehe Scooter (walking to work in our nations Crapital since 1995) -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today >> You didn't get the memo it's national Idiot driver day. > >What a coincidence, tomorrow is, too. > >And the day after... > >Be careful out there. [Dave] It seems we're conducting a region wide experiment in just how dumb people can be behind the wheel. This is in addition to how stupid our state/city/commonwealth transportation departments can be. I'm not sure when the experiment began, or where the 'control' areas are, but I'll be glad when the experiment is over. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 10:17:45 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:17:52 -0400 To: scooterfzr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today At 09:36 AM 6/14/05 -0400, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: >Yep, saw the experiment in action this morning while walking to work. >Yes, I live 10 blocks away from my office and walk to work. :-) >Anyway, corner of 9th and Mass right in front of the New Convention >Center, mommy van decided to make a right turn from the far left lane >directly in front of another car headed in the same direction in the >right lane. Passenger side of the mommy van and the front end of the >other car smashed in. There was even a firetruck right behind them >headed back to their station when it happened. They stopped, assessed >the situation and started directing traffic while they waited for the >cops. Gotta love DC drivers. hehe I think the "experiment" is just the same lack of respect for the laws that is so often represented on this list. If everyone stuck to the legal limits on driving at all times, there wouldn't be so many hairy situations and accidents. The problem is too many people who think the rules don't apply to them, at least not all the time. The "everybody does it, so it's ok to break the law...at least if you don't get caught" attitude is the main problem. The minor part of the problem is an inability to drive well...most who don't, can, they just don't bother. You start with a few miles an hour over the limit, then more, then you start weaving through traffic to maintain that speed while others are going slower (legal limit perhaps), then you start skipping the turn signals on the lane changes or even on actual turns, then you start crossing solid painted lines (including the double yellow on a curve when you are going to fast to make it around with only one lane), and eventually you don't bother to replace burned out lights, or maintain your brakes, and then tailgate...it's a wonder we don't have *more* accidents than we do. -- Mike B. -- If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 11:09:54 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today To: "Mike B." , scooterfzr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I will quickly and shamelessly admit to being one of those who feels "some" laws don't apply to. I will also admit it sometimes gets me in more trouble than it is worth.......better half doesn't like it when I am "above the law" on the road and neither do the LEOs. I agree with many of your points (with the exception of your suggestion that speeding will lead to the apocalypse) and if it were as easy as strapping our wheels to a conveyor belt so that we'd smoothly and seemlessly meander down the road - that'd be great. But, realistically, you'll probably have better luck rubbing a lamp. Traffic pains result from many things, likely the fact that we're all independent thinkers.....or non-thinkers. I'd wager that most of us moto folks have a "point A to point B" mentality while commuting and that most of us moto folks tend to put considerable thought into our actions on the road (whether or not seen by others as such), so to find the lazy, careless steering, awareness lacking, motorist on the road - it is easy to point the finger at them. And rightly so. If people thought about their driving, I wouldn't have to think about it for them. If everyone actually THOUGHT about what they were doing before, during, and after the operation of their vehicle - I'd bet traffic collisions would drop dramatically and average speeds would increase......and I wouldn't have to contemplate whether or not to lane split while stopped on 3 lanes of traffic on 66. - Jimmy --- "Mike B." wrote: > I think the "experiment" is just the same lack of respect for the > laws that > is so often represented on this list. If everyone stuck to the > legal > limits on driving at all times, there wouldn't be so many hairy > situations > and accidents. The problem is too many people who think the rules > don't > apply to them, at least not all the time. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 12:39:35 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:39:32 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Horizons Unlimited Anyone heading down to Stecoah for the meeting? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 12:50:20 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:48:47 -0400 To: "James O'Connor" , scooterfzr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today At 08:09 AM 6/14/05 -0700, James O'Connor wrote: >I will quickly and shamelessly admit to being one of those who feels >"some" laws don't apply to. I will also admit it sometimes gets me >in more trouble than it is worth.......better half doesn't like it >when I am "above the law" on the road and neither do the LEOs. I never feel that I'm "above the law", but I don't always stay within it either. There are times, and it's been discussed here before, where obeying the laws is more dangerous than breaking them a little. For example, if all the traffic on your stretch of road is insisting on 75mph, going the posted 55 is dangerous for you as well as others (delta v is more important than v). There are several solutions to this problem...make the speed limit the average speed, use technology to limit speeds to the posted limit or to fine anyone who breaks it *every* time they break it (technology to do both exists today, it would just have to be mandated), get rid of speed limits and use a "slower traffic move right" rule like on the Autobahn (which then requires that *that* be enforced somehow...), and probably others, but the only option I have personally is to go 55 and be dangerous or kick it up a little closer to the 75 that everyone else is doing, so I usually do that unless density is low enough that just staying in the right lane will let them zip past on the left without problems. >I agree with many of your points (with the exception of your suggestion >that speeding will lead to the apocalypse) I never said that. I said that the same attitude that leads to regular speeding (as opposed to occasional emergency speeding) also leads to other lawbreaking, most of which you can get away with most of the time...but which is known to be the cause of accidents, which is often why it's illegal in the first place. >and if it were as easy as >strapping our wheels to a conveyor belt so that we'd smoothly and >seemlessly meander down the road - that'd be great. We could probably manage that as far as technology is concerned too. Not an actual conveyor belt, but a GPS-based system with short range radio links to other vehicles with on-board computers to coordinate actions so that everyone gets where they are going quicker and more safely. Doubt it would work as well on a bike as with a car, but improvement is possible. >Traffic pains result from many things, likely the fact that we're all >independent thinkers.....or non-thinkers. Yep, with way too many per square area around here. Traffic issues don't come up much in places like Montana for instance, where the traffic density is often undetectable. Belgrade "rush hour" for instance consisted of 6 cars within sight, only one of which was on the same road as me. I agree with the rest of what you said. Losing the "point A to point B" mentality would help a lot I think. Enjoy the ride, don't worry so much about the destination... -- Mike B. -- I want .50 cal machine guns as a factory option. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 16:08:41 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:08:25 -0400 From: "John M. Stafford" To: dc-cycles Mailing List Subject: [dc-cycles] Next Tuesday Summer Solstice Happy Hour *PLEASE NOTE THE TIME* This is a dinner time event. * SUMMER SOLSTICE * SUMMER SOLSTICE * SUMMER SOLSTICE * Extra, extra, extra sunlight! Scooter and motorcyclist Happy Hour Tuesday June 21 6-8pm at Asylum on the corner of 18th and Columbia in Adams Morgan. Aslyum has cheap eats and drinks during happy hour and cycle parking with security cameras and everything, right in front of the bar. Come on out, talk bikes until your throat bleeds, and enjoy the longest day of the year. All owners of two-wheeled vehicles, running bike or not, and NEW OWNERS are WELCOME. Assuming no rain or thunderstorms, at 8pm we will take a ride up along the entire Rock Creek Parkway and back down to the monuments before the sun sets. Please don't be late, the fun of this ride is being able to run the length of the parkway while there's still light. Enjoy, John M. Stafford From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 20:49:21 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:49:06 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Lanesplitting progress In the back depths of the July Motorcyclist comes this re lanesplitting: "Extensive e-mail correspondence on the matter with the best legal minds of the American Motorcyclist Association revealed the following: 1) California is currently the only state that permits lane-splitting for all motorcyclists. 2) In 2003, Florida passed legislation permitting lane-splitting, but only for motorcycles operated by police officers and firefighters. 3) Three states - Massachusetts, Texas and Washington - have legislation pending to allow motorcyclists to split lanes under certain conditions. Again, legislation in those states is pending; it has not been passed." I seem to recall efforts in neighboring states, but times change. As a published lanesplitting advocate to all others so inclined - let's keep plugging. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Bring on the door openers and sour grape'ers. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 21:21:35 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Lanesplitting progress Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:21:33 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e23e0df731de8f88bd66146d3776e44c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c As a published lanesplitting advocate to all others so inclined - let's keep plugging. [Dave] While I don't regularly practice it, I support you and other responsible motorcyclists to be able to do it - legally or otherwise. The delay it causes me is minimal, and it's better for traffic, emissions etc. It does cause others to suffer *some* minor delay, but it's minimal... I would think Virginia could be swayed. A good place to start would be to remove the 2 abreast restriction for motos... It's not like we can really turn our noses up at practically any idea... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 21:42:07 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:40:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today >From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX >Anyway, corner of 9th and Mass right in front of the New Convention >Center, mommy van decided to make a right turn from the far left lane >directly in front of another car headed in the same direction in the >right lane. Passenger side of the mommy van and the front end of the I see this kind of manoeuvre all of the time around here. "Right turn from left lane", "left turn from right lane", the ever popular "three lane change instant freeway exit" are all very popular. Why? Do people get so engrossed in the phone, radio, or skirt length of the lady in the Miata next to them that their turn sneaks up on them and they have to do some crazy stunts to get over? Do they not know the turn is coming? In todays age of mapquest, satellite navigation and better street signage, how do turns sneak up on them? If you know where you are going, then plan accordingly. If you don't know where you are going, look at a map, slow down and pay attention. How hard is that? Sheesh! Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 21:49:14 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:48:39 -0400 From: skip To: Chris Chubb CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today You're just talkin' all CRAZY man! Have you looked around?? We're all gonna die, man! we're all gonna die!!!! Chris Chubb wrote: > > >From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX > >Anyway, corner of 9th and Mass right in front of the New Convention > >Center, mommy van decided to make a right turn from the far left lane > >directly in front of another car headed in the same direction in the > >right lane. Passenger side of the mommy van and the front end of the > > I see this kind of manoeuvre all of the time around here. "Right turn from > left lane", "left turn from right lane", the ever popular "three lane > change instant freeway exit" are all very popular. Why? Do people get so > engrossed in the phone, radio, or skirt length of the lady in the Miata > next to them that their turn sneaks up on them and they have to do some > crazy stunts to get over? Do they not know the turn is coming? In todays > age of mapquest, satellite navigation and better street signage, how do > turns sneak up on them? > > If you know where you are going, then plan accordingly. If you don't know > where you are going, look at a map, slow down and pay attention. How hard > is that? > > Sheesh! > > Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 21:55:44 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:55:35 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Do you know where your bike is? Hey all, While this is either nothing or there's some poor bastard out there who's not on the list, I'm short a good deed for the day, so I figured I'd put this out there... A particular group of characters in my neighborhood are known to recieve fairly regular visits from the local constabulary. I happened to notice the characters unloading and pushing a bike that was new enough to still be under warantee. Let's just go on a stretch of the imagination here and assume that maybe it was being pushed (up a very steep driveway) because maybe the particular characters were lacking a key for the thing. If so... If you happen to be missing a bike, email me (OFF LIST!) with the year, make, model and color of the bike and we can discuss what I can offer in the way of assistance. Like I said, it may be nothing or it may be a real long shot, but I figured I'd give it a shot. Do you know where YOUR bike is today? --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 22:32:21 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:32:12 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Do you know where your bike is? Ack! I was already thinking about calling it in when I posted. The couple of emails I got tipped the scales and convinced me. I called it in. I repeat: I CALLED THE FUZZ! QUIT EMAILING ME!!! (unless you think it's your bike, of course) Damn... I'm glad very few of you have my phone number. ;) --smthng On 6/14/05, smthng else wrote: > Hey all, > > While this is either nothing or there's some poor bastard out there > who's not on the list, I'm short a good deed for the day, so I figured > I'd put this out there... > > A particular group of characters in my neighborhood are known to > recieve fairly regular visits from the local constabulary. I happened > to notice the characters unloading and pushing a bike that was new > enough to still be under warantee. Let's just go on a stretch of the > imagination here and assume that maybe it was being pushed (up a very > steep driveway) because maybe the particular characters were lacking a > key for the thing. If so... > > If you happen to be missing a bike, email me (OFF LIST!) with the > year, make, model and color of the bike and we can discuss what I can > offer in the way of assistance. > > Like I said, it may be nothing or it may be a real long shot, but I > figured I'd give it a shot. Do you know where YOUR bike is today? > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > -- --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 01:29:50 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:29:38 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles , roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] if i were the riders father i'd be thinking... big fat lawsuit http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151216,00.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 02:54:00 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:53:50 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: you@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Do you know where your bike is? Cc: DC Cycles So what was the outcome? and how come you can't say the bike model/color ? I'm guessing you're right.. but maybe they just didn't want to wake the neighbors? I don't know? On 6/14/05, smthng else wrote: > Ack! I was already thinking about calling it in when I posted. The > couple of emails I got tipped the scales and convinced me. I called > it in. > > I repeat: I CALLED THE FUZZ! QUIT EMAILING ME!!! (unless you think > it's your bike, of course) > > Damn... I'm glad very few of you have my phone number. ;) > > --smthng > > On 6/14/05, smthng else wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > While this is either nothing or there's some poor bastard out there > > who's not on the list, I'm short a good deed for the day, so I figured > > I'd put this out there... > > > > A particular group of characters in my neighborhood are known to > > recieve fairly regular visits from the local constabulary. I happened > > to notice the characters unloading and pushing a bike that was new > > enough to still be under warantee. Let's just go on a stretch of the > > imagination here and assume that maybe it was being pushed (up a very > > steep driveway) because maybe the particular characters were lacking a > > key for the thing. If so... > > > > If you happen to be missing a bike, email me (OFF LIST!) with the > > year, make, model and color of the bike and we can discuss what I can > > offer in the way of assistance. > > > > Like I said, it may be nothing or it may be a real long shot, but I > > figured I'd give it a shot. Do you know where YOUR bike is today? > > > > --smthng > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > > > > -- > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 08:53:42 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 05:53:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lanesplitting progress To: "W.S." , DC-Cycles Does anyone think it might be a good idea to point out that the existing Virginia law is not enforced uniformly? On the HOV ramp from I-95 to the Franconia Springfield Parkway, the ramp is only marked for one lane. There are always two lines waiting for the light. Today, while waiting to turn right, an unmarked State Police Car with a uniformed officer in it pulled up alongside me (and others.) He also ignored the other vehicles which split that lane until the light changed. Perhaps when they are enforcing HOV violations at that intersection bikers could ask if they are writing reckless driving tickets for those cars that are lane splitting. If not, then ask if it's ok for motorcycles to split lanes in that location. If it's ok there, where else is it allowed and how does one tell? Leon Begeman Ninja 250 V-Strom (sometimes one needs a truck to haul stuff) --- "W.S." wrote: > In the back depths of the July Motorcyclist comes > this re > lanesplitting: > > "Extensive e-mail correspondence on the matter with > the best legal > minds of the American Motorcyclist Association > revealed the following: > 1) California is currently the only state that > permits lane-splitting for > all motorcyclists. > 2) In 2003, Florida passed legislation permitting > lane-splitting, but only > for motorcycles operated by police officers and > firefighters. > 3) Three states - Massachusetts, Texas and > Washington - have legislation > pending to allow motorcyclists to split lanes under > certain conditions. > Again, legislation in those states is pending; it > has not been passed." > > I seem to recall efforts in neighboring states, but > times change. > > As a published lanesplitting advocate to all others > so inclined - > let's keep plugging. > > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > '99 VN750 > Bring on the door openers and sour > grape'ers. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 09:00:09 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 05:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lanesplitting progress To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX When did you get that and have you affixed John Deere stickers to it? Glenn --- Leon Begeman wrote: > V-Strom (sometimes one needs a truck to haul stuff) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 09:13:34 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:13:21 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lanesplitting progress To: DC-Cycles >Does anyone think it might be a good idea to point out >that the existing Virginia law is not enforced >uniformly? [Dave] No. Virginia is a "law and order" state. With very few exceptions the Virginia law enforcement lobby is the most powerful at the General Assembly. The only thing they have been unable to drive home is primary seat belt enforcement. They did also fail to renew the red light camera revenue generating scheme and proliferate it to speed cameras as well. The times dispatch did an article on contributors a couple of months back and the single biggest financial contributor was the Virginia Sheriff's Association. So what does this mean? If you take the political position in opposition to the powerful police lobby in VA, 8 out of 10 times it's a loser. But, since transportation seems to be a hot button issue this year with all the delegates up for election, you may be able to generate some traction by proposing an exception to the reckless statute for "2 motorcycles, scooters, mopeds or similar vehicles riding 2 abreast in the same lane of traffic". Proposed as a "common sense transportation efficiency measure" which encourages high occupancy vehicle use and responsible fuel economy stewardship. That's just off the top... If anyone has better suggestions, let me know. I'll contact my delegate and the candidate running against her. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 09:31:26 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:31:23 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Arlington County Atorney Recommendation Requirements: - mastery of state traffic law - knowledge of local area - arlington county general practices - knowledge of local justice personages and their standard approaches to specific traffic violations Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 09:31:31 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman To: Glenn Dysart , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Paint my ride (was lane splitting) Glenn asked: > When did you get that and have you affixed John > Deere > stickers to it? I got it in February, no, it's much too fast for Deere stickers. But I do have a session in the paint booth scheduled for September. I was going to have just the chopper and trailer painted, but will consider a paint scheme for the whole rig. http://www.ninja250.org/profiles/showProfile.php?userId=58 --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > When did you get that and have you affixed John > Deere > stickers to it? > > Glenn > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > > > > V-Strom (sometimes one needs a truck to haul > stuff) > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 11:20:56 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:20:53 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Paint my ride (was lane splitting) Chopper? I was going to say it almost looks more like a hillclimb machine, with that extended rear. But with a 250 ... maybe not. :-) Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:31:19 -0700 (PDT) >Glenn asked: >> When did you get that and have you affixed John >> Deere >> stickers to it? > >I got it in February, no, it's much too fast for Deere >stickers. But I do have a session in the paint booth >scheduled for September. I was going to have just the >chopper and trailer painted, but will consider a paint >scheme for the whole rig. > >http://www.ninja250.org/profiles/showProfile.php?userId=58 > > > > > >--- Glenn Dysart wrote: > >> When did you get that and have you affixed John >> Deere >> stickers to it? >> >> Glenn >> >> --- Leon Begeman wrote: >> >> >> >> > V-Strom (sometimes one needs a truck to haul >> stuff) >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 13:01:26 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:01:10 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Arlington County Atorney Recommendation On 6/15/05, Julian Halton wrote: > Requirements: > - mastery of state traffic law > - knowledge of local area > - arlington county general practices > - knowledge of local justice personages and their standard approaches to > specific traffic violations I've tried to be good and let this float past, but I just can't take it any more... Julian, you *KNOW* you can't put something like this out there without someone jumping on it... what did The Man do to you this time? Remember, they carry guns down here, dude! ;) BTW... No where in the manual does it state that your wicked sweet flat black paint is invisible to radar. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 14:54:11 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray To: Brian Ray Subject: [dc-cycles] Blog Update I've gotten access to the internet, and updated my blog. http://ar-traveler.blogspot.com/ Sorry for the inpersonal post, but this seemed to be the best way to spread the message. Hope ya'll are doing well. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 08:40:39 2005 From: To: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 8:40:27 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] UGH...More Proof the World is Coming to an End http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1447 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 09:41:59 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:41:50 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Court advice I got pulled over at the toll plaza for, 70 in a temporary 35, 55 rest of the time. I have a perfect record (+5 in VA), took BRC, ERC, member of AMA, been riding for ~6 yrs. I'm going to take a driver improvement class at NVCC. I also have a security clearance, I'm hoping that will help my case, since I've heard reckless driving is a criminal charge. I've been charged w/ reckless. Trooper said I was not driving recklessly. I asked if it was up to him to give me reckless, he was very young looking, and didn't seem to understand what I was asking. I've heard of people getting tickets lowered to "failure to obey highway sign" and "improper driving". Could someone tell me which of those is the lesser infraction? Does it make sense to go for one over the other? I'm hoping for one of them, if not, then speeding at 15 over. Worst case, speeding at 35 over, just not reckless. Thanks for the advice. Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 10:01:11 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Improper Driving = 3 points Failure to Obey Hwy Sign = 3 points Speeding 20 or more over limit = 6 points from http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/webdoc/citizen/drivers/points_assess.asp Glenn --- rich hall wrote: > I got pulled over at the toll plaza for, 70 in a > temporary 35, 55 rest of > the time. > I have a perfect record (+5 in VA), took BRC, ERC, > member of AMA, been > riding for ~6 yrs. > I'm going to take a driver improvement class at > NVCC. > I also have a security clearance, I'm hoping that > will help my case, since > I've heard reckless driving is a criminal charge. > I've been charged w/ reckless. Trooper said I was > not driving recklessly. > I asked if it was up to him to give me reckless, he > was very young looking, > and didn't seem to understand what I was asking. > I've heard of people getting tickets lowered to > "failure to obey highway > sign" and "improper driving". Could someone tell me > which of those is the > lesser infraction? Does it make sense to go for one > over the other? I'm > hoping for one of them, if not, then speeding at 15 > over. Worst case, > speeding at 35 over, just not reckless. > Thanks for the advice. > Rich > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 10:15:33 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:10:56 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice Ouch. The probelm is that non riders are apalled at your speed, but they don't realize that it only takes a couple of seconds to get up there. 20 over is automatic reckless in VA, with the officer having discretion. If he marked it reckless on the ticket, well then you are hosed. Get a lawyer for sure. I went in a few years ago with a similar record and reckless (82/55 on 495) and the judge said if I hadn't had positive points, I would have lost my license on the spot. This was BEFORE they started cracking down on 'aggresive driving' and outlaw biker types. Speeding you can plead and get reduced, but w/o a lawyer, you will have a tough time with reckless. Even if the officer said you were not 'driving recklessly' and marked reckless on the ticket, the two terms aren't necessarily the same. The verb and the charge are not aligned properly in our fine state. Today was a beautiful ride in, but by God I thought I would die in traffic Tuesday. I must have lost 5 lbs. My new commute sucks down 28. No more rolling hills and unfrequented back roads in Clifton. Bumper to bumper and lane splitting jammed intersection corners. Like riding in DC again. rich hall wrote: > I've heard of people getting tickets lowered to "failure to obey > highway sign" and "improper driving". Could someone tell me which of > those is the lesser infraction? Does it make sense to go for one over > the other? I'm hoping for one of them, if not, then speeding at 15 > over. Worst case, speeding at 35 over, just not reckless. > Thanks for the advice. > Rich > > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 11:10:32 2005 From: "d b" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:10:23 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Help for a digester... Hello all, I think this could possibly be the first time I've actually posted to the list, even though I've been subscribed off and on for ~ 8 yrs.. (Man, am I getting that old?) So, thanks to all who posted the great newbie tips back then, they've helped me survive ~40,000 miles of enjoyable riding... Now, the bad part. On a return trip from chincoteague(sp) this weekend I decided to end the life of a 4" x 4" block of wood trying to cross the road somewhere between salisbury and pokomoke. Luckily I didn't crash and the tire didn't blow, unluckily, the rim is dented and now leaks air, needing refilled every 20 miles. Sure made for along trip back home!! I've found a few online places that do straightening but would love to be able to drop it off at a local shop, any suggestions? Thanks again for all the great info/laughs... (Please feel free to send directly to me as I'm digest impaired. d_biser at hotmail.com) Thanks again! Donnie 01 X1 95 rf600 90 cr250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 11:28:31 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Help for a digester... To: d b , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX A little drive but not too bad. Ye Olde Wheel Shop 6363 Washington Blvd. Elkridge, MD 21075 (800) 526-8260, (410) 796-8400 --- d b wrote: > I've found a few online places that do straightening > but would love to be > able to drop it off at a local shop, any > suggestions? __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 11:32:03 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help for a digester... Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:32:53 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "d b" , I've found a few online places that do straightening but would love to be able to drop it off at a local shop, any suggestions? Donnie: Glad to hear you're OK after your lumber encounter. I too, have unsuccessfully attempted to combine a high speed motorcycle wheel with an immovable object, twice. Both times I mashed the CBR's front rim and had to take it to a local shop. Both times they were unable to complete the job and ended up recommending www.mcwheel.com. The first time I had the wheel repaired and he did a great job, the second time I bought a new rim instead. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 15:55:19 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help for a digester... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I can't help as to a local source, but you might ask at Speedwerks (Dover, DE), CAD Cycles (Gaithersburg, MD), or Fastlane (I-66/RT28). But for mail order, Frame Straight Systems in Michigan is da' bomb! They've fixed 2 of my rims and you'd never know there was a problem with them. VERY reasonable costs too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 16:46:33 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] UGH...More Proof the World is Coming to an End Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:45:48 -0400 On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 8:40:27 -0400, adamme1 wrote > http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1447 Are you refering to the actual story or the string of retarded comments below the story? :-D Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 17:58:27 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:58:19 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: mike@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice Mike Troutman wrote: > Ouch. The probelm is that non riders are apalled at your speed, but > they don't realize that it only takes a couple of seconds to get up > there. 20 over is automatic reckless in VA, with the officer having > discretion. If he marked it reckless on the ticket, well then you are > hosed. Get a lawyer for sure. I went in a few years ago with a > similar record and reckless (82/55 on 495) and the judge said if I > hadn't had positive points, I would have lost my license on the spot. How does one get positive points on a license? Just curious. Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 18:56:40 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:56:32 -0400 From: skip To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice don't get a ticket for a year, and you get 1 (one) point. --skip, been so far in the red Dale Horstman wrote: > > Mike Troutman wrote: > > > Ouch. The probelm is that non riders are apalled at your speed, but > > they don't realize that it only takes a couple of seconds to get up > > there. 20 over is automatic reckless in VA, with the officer having > > discretion. If he marked it reckless on the ticket, well then you are > > hosed. Get a lawyer for sure. I went in a few years ago with a > > similar record and reckless (82/55 on 495) and the judge said if I > > hadn't had positive points, I would have lost my license on the spot. > > How does one get positive points on a license? Just curious. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 19:15:57 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:15:27 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter07.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Summer is here I know that because today I removed the wiring harness for the Gerbing gloves and socks!!! Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 19:51:51 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:51:43 -0400 Driver Improvement classes get you 5 positive points as well. >From: skip >To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:56:32 -0400 > >don't get a ticket for a year, and you get 1 (one) point. > > >--skip, been so far in the red > >Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > Mike Troutman wrote: > > > > > Ouch. The probelm is that non riders are apalled at your speed, but > > > they don't realize that it only takes a couple of seconds to get up > > > there. 20 over is automatic reckless in VA, with the officer having > > > discretion. If he marked it reckless on the ticket, well then you are > > > hosed. Get a lawyer for sure. I went in a few years ago with a > > > similar record and reckless (82/55 on 495) and the judge said if I > > > hadn't had positive points, I would have lost my license on the spot. > > > > How does one get positive points on a license? Just curious. > > > > Horkster > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 19:52:25 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:52:17 -0400 You can only get 5 positive points. No limit on negative. >From: skip >To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:56:32 -0400 > >don't get a ticket for a year, and you get 1 (one) point. > > >--skip, been so far in the red > >Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > Mike Troutman wrote: > > > > > Ouch. The probelm is that non riders are apalled at your speed, but > > > they don't realize that it only takes a couple of seconds to get up > > > there. 20 over is automatic reckless in VA, with the officer having > > > discretion. If he marked it reckless on the ticket, well then you are > > > hosed. Get a lawyer for sure. I went in a few years ago with a > > > similar record and reckless (82/55 on 495) and the judge said if I > > > hadn't had positive points, I would have lost my license on the spot. > > > > How does one get positive points on a license? Just curious. > > > > Horkster > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 19:57:06 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:57:04 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] 211 Who's the idiot that had the bright idea to put runble strips across the entrance to the uphill curves and paint the word "SLOW" in big letters with accompanying arrows on the pavement? Eaast side only, so far. It's going to be dangerous as hell in the rain. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 20:02:19 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:02:11 -0400 From: skip To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 I ran 211 this past weekend, in the torrential downpours and had --zero-- issue with the rumble strips. I wasn't riding at 9/10ths, though. --skip Michael Jordan wrote: > > Who's the idiot that had the bright idea to put runble strips across > the entrance to the uphill curves and paint the word "SLOW" in big > letters with accompanying arrows on the pavement? > > Eaast side only, so far. > > It's going to be dangerous as hell in the rain. > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 21:32:32 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Red KLR on list? Red KLR blasting Westbound through traffic on I-66 from Rosslyn, Thursday, 6/15/05 8:30 p.m. I was on the Orange KTM 625 Supermoto, fun ride. You on list? -Corbett -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 17 07:12:48 2005 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 04:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Been a while since you've been up there huh? They were put in last spring by VDOT due to the number of motorcycle deaths on 211 in the last few years. Glenn --- Michael Jordan wrote: > Who's the idiot that had the bright idea to put > runble strips across > the entrance to the uphill curves and paint the word > "SLOW" in big > letters with accompanying arrows on the pavement? > > Eaast side only, so far. > > It's going to be dangerous as hell in the rain. > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 17 07:15:53 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:15:45 -0400 Those have been there a while. Rumor is they're moving the guardrails back a couple of feet this week. I was there last Sat as well. >From: skip >To: Michael Jordan >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:02:11 -0400 > >I ran 211 this past weekend, in the torrential downpours and had >--zero-- issue with the rumble strips. I wasn't riding at 9/10ths, >though. > >--skip > >Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > Who's the idiot that had the bright idea to put runble strips across > > the entrance to the uphill curves and paint the word "SLOW" in big > > letters with accompanying arrows on the pavement? > > > > Eaast side only, so far. > > > > It's going to be dangerous as hell in the rain. > > -- > > Michael J. > > '86 SRX-6 > > '93 GSX1100G > > '03 DL1000 > > AMA > > IBA #3901 > > USAF (Ret) > > NRA > > etc. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 17 10:20:03 2005 From: "d b" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:19:54 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Wheel Straightening.. Thanks for all of the great suggestions guys! Looks like I'll be making a trip to Elkridge to see if they can repair it.. Thanks again! Donnie 01 X1 95 rf600 90 cr250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 17 13:54:56 2005 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:54:52 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 > Those have been there a while. Rumor is they're moving the guardrails back > a couple of feet this week. I was there last Sat as well. They were definitely messing with the guardrails - had a pilot truck shepherding one way traffic. I'm down at Deal's Gap again right now (free wifi in the snack bar!!) and just saw the results of overconfidence. Yet another nice road that squids may ruin. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 18 19:14:49 2005 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:14:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 Michael Jordan wrote: >I'm down at Deal's Gap again right now > Can you feel the envy? I gotta get my Connie fixed soon.... :) -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 08:25:28 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:25:23 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle Anyone up for a road trip: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/06/17/motorcycle.art.ap/inde x.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 09:25:33 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:24:53 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle To: julian@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Seen it when it was in Vegas. Very cool. Have the hardcover book. Slightly chewed on thanks to the dog. :-( Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle Anyone up for a road trip: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/06/17/motorcycle.art.ap/inde x.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 09:53:24 2005 From: "rich hall" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:53:16 -0400 I also saw it in Vegas. Very nice. Highly reccomend. NYC had lines around the block when it was up there. >From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX >To: julian@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:24:53 -0400 > >Seen it when it was in Vegas. Very cool. Have the hardcover book. >Slightly chewed on thanks to the dog. :-( > >Scooter > >-----Original Message----- >From: Julian Halton >To: DC-Cycles >Sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:25:23 -0400 >Subject: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle > > > >Anyone up for a road trip: >http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/06/17/motorcycle.art.ap/inde >x.html > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 09:57:16 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:57:06 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] is there a FAQ? Because I want to lookup the age old question of where to get a bike inspected in VA (preferably near arlington) where some old guy just looks at the bike toots the horn and sends you on your merry way.. or some such. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 10:28:16 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:28:10 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle On 6/20/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > Anyone up for a road trip: And on the way back, swing through Birminghan to visit the Barber for a bit more sensory overload, and from there through the Cherohala Skyway and Deal's Gap* to Maggie Valley, NC to see the Wheels Through Time museum. Finish it up with a leisurely ride back up the BRP and home again. When do we leave? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. * Technically, Deal's Gap is a side trip, but only 10 miles or so off course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 11:39:06 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan , DC-Cycles did we miss the "michael jordan retires" memo? --- Michael Jordan wrote: > On 6/20/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > Anyone up for a road trip: > > And on the way back, swing through Birminghan to visit > the Barber for > a bit more sensory overload, and from there through the > Cherohala > Skyway and Deal's Gap* to Maggie Valley, NC to see the > Wheels Through > Time museum. > > Finish it up with a leisurely ride back up the BRP and > home again. > > When do we leave? > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > * Technically, Deal's Gap is a side trip, but only 10 > miles or so off course. > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 12:46:19 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:46:16 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle Cc: DC-Cycles On 6/20/05, Tom Gimer wrote: > did we miss the "michael jordan retires" memo? Long weekend plus a day Day 1 - DC to Memphis - superslab - not pretty or fun, but efficient. Day 2 - See the show - split early afternoon for B/Ham Day 3 - Barber, Cherohala & Deal's Gap Day 4 - Wheels Through TIme and BRP home Easy -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 18:50:17 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:50:14 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: LDRider , DC-Cycles , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Speed Limits Enforced by Aircraft How? Rockets, missiles or cannon? Or do they land in front of you blocking the road off? I suspect that infractions are merely observed by aircraft (or, more precicely) the people within them) and enforced by ossifers on the ground. Thanks for the bandwidth. I've been wanting to mildly rant about imprecision in highway signage for a number of years now. "Speed Zone Ahead" is another one - they usually actually want you to slow down, not speed up. Where's a good English Teacher when you need one? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 19:22:53 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speed Limits Enforced by Aircraft To: Michael Jordan , DC-Cycles , gsx1100g@XXXXXX --- Michael Jordan wrote: > I suspect that infractions are merely observed by aircraft (or, more > precicely) the people within them) and enforced by ossifers on the > ground. Usually. Although the missiles would make it much more interesting, especially with a target as small as a bike. > "Speed Zone Ahead" is another one - they usually actually want you to > slow down, not speed up. George Carlin's always looking for new material... 8;) > Where's a good English Teacher when you need one? ...working his second job at a fast food joint to support his family, I imagine. -- Larry __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 19:53:34 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:53:25 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , LDRider , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Spammish - Boots for sale Just picked up a pair of Oxtar Matrix boots from motorcyclecloseouts.com. Short story, they don't fit my chubby calves (more like full-grown heifers). Before I go through the hoo-raw with them (they have a no refund policy) looking for a likely exchange item, I'll put them out here looking for a reasonable offer - I paid $148 + shipping. Thanks for the bandwidth. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 20:05:21 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: motorpsychol@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: is there a FAQ? Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:57:06 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] is there a FAQ? Because I want to lookup the age old question of where to get a bike inspected in VA (preferably near arlington) where some old guy just looks at the bike toots the horn and sends you on your merry way.. or some such. ============= Why not go to Dennis at Crossroads? He's not an old guy (compared to me :) but the inspection will take a 2-3 minutes. $5.00 and you're on your way. They're open from 10-6, Tue-Sat. Call first to make sure D is there though - 7/ 820-3711. John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 21:03:17 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Re: is there a FAQ? Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:03:05 -0400 Tell Dennis I'm still waiting for him to call me back from last Tuesday to tell me if he has an M1 front for my SV and how much it is. Then tell him neverfuggin mind, I went to a shop that could do it this past Sat. >From: John Kozyn >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >CC: motorpsychol@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: is there a FAQ? >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:05:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:57:06 -0400 >From: Danny Motorcycle >To: DC Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] is there a FAQ? > >Because I want to lookup the age old question of where >to get a bike inspected in VA (preferably near arlington) >where some old guy just looks at the bike toots the >horn and sends you on your merry way.. or some such. > >============= > >Why not go to Dennis at Crossroads? He's not an old guy (compared to me >:) but the inspection will take a 2-3 minutes. $5.00 and you're on your >way. They're open from 10-6, Tue-Sat. Call first to make sure D is >there though - 7/ 820-3711. > > > >John C. Kozyn >1999 900SS >1995 VFR750F > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Sports >Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 21:07:57 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:07:42 -0400 From: skip To: Michael Jordan CC: DC-Cycles , LDRider , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Spammish - Boots for sale size? Michael Jordan wrote: > > Just picked up a pair of Oxtar Matrix boots from > motorcyclecloseouts.com. Short story, they don't fit my chubby calves > (more like full-grown heifers). > > Before I go through the hoo-raw with them (they have a no refund > policy) looking for a likely exchange item, I'll put them out here > looking for a reasonable offer - I paid $148 + shipping. > > Thanks for the bandwidth. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 21:14:59 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:14:46 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 I'm riding through 7-Corners. At the first light, a guy gets closer than I like, I look back at him. Give him the, don't do that stare. We move up to the next light of the seven corners. I'm sitting there. Same guy is behind me. I feel a bump. I'm like what the heck. Turn around, jack-holes got his bumper on my tire. I yell, "back the f up", he looks at me like, I'm the crazy one. He backs up 3"s. Sits there. I yell, "get the f outa the car". He walks up, I've taken off my gloves, helmet, killed the bike, put down the stand. I'm trying to see what he's done. He gets up there, I'm like, back the car up. Dingleberry moves it back another 3"s. I'm fed up w/ this piece of dook. Don't feel like yelling back up again. Guy just seemed mentally challenged. I don't see any damage. He had to of been driving an auto and taken his foot off the brake or something. I walk up to him, tell him I want some info. Turns out he's in his mom's car. Can't find a pen. Gives me a check. Says he doesn't want to hold up traffic. Shoulda thought about that before you hit my bike w/ your mom's car. Tells me his sick. That he's recently had a stroke. I suggested he shouldn't be driving. Turd. Watch out for older dark green beat up Subaru wagons driven by a stupid looking glasses wearing ~50 year guy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 21:25:59 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:25:45 -0400 From: skip To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 wow alls I've got to say is "strong work" rich hall wrote: > > I'm riding through 7-Corners. At the first light, a guy gets closer than I > like, I look back at him. Give him the, don't do that stare. We move up to > the next light of the seven corners. I'm sitting there. Same guy is behind > me. I feel a bump. I'm like what the heck. Turn around, jack-holes got > his bumper on my tire. I yell, "back the f up", he looks at me like, I'm > the crazy one. He backs up 3"s. Sits there. I yell, "get the f outa the > car". He walks up, I've taken off my gloves, helmet, killed the bike, put > down the stand. I'm trying to see what he's done. He gets up there, I'm > like, back the car up. Dingleberry moves it back another 3"s. I'm fed up > w/ this piece of dook. Don't feel like yelling back up again. Guy just > seemed mentally challenged. I don't see any damage. He had to of been > driving an auto and taken his foot off the brake or something. I walk up to > him, tell him I want some info. Turns out he's in his mom's car. Can't > find a pen. Gives me a check. Says he doesn't want to hold up traffic. > Shoulda thought about that before you hit my bike w/ your mom's car. Tells > me his sick. That he's recently had a stroke. I suggested he shouldn't be > driving. Turd. > Watch out for older dark green beat up Subaru wagons driven by a stupid > looking glasses wearing ~50 year guy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 22:18:23 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:18:06 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Keyblanks; Good press for Biker ladies Alarm! Does anyone know of a shop that may have every keyblank in the universe? Have run into major problems trying to dup a cable lock key. They mutter something about too many channels, European, etc. Help appreciated: Will travel an hour or so from DC. Offlist if you wish. And -- a solid 2/3 page rundown on fairsex riding. Nice vignettes. The Biker Next Door: She's No Punk Rebel http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/business/yourmoney/19bike.html? [Include the ending questionmark: May require registration] Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Keep drawing blanks in your key search, eh? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 23:00:18 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:59:04 -0400 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 At 09:14 PM 6/20/05 -0400, rich hall wrote: >Watch out for older dark green beat up Subaru wagons driven by a stupid >looking glasses wearing ~50 year guy. Other than how hard you got hit, that's amazingly close to the description of my accident from April 5th...I wonder if there's some sort of underground anti-bike movement among older sick guys/mental deficients? I'm all healed up, and the bike is restored to prior condition. A little more dealing left with the insurance company, but at the moment I'm only down about $58 total, and I don't expect that to be the case when it's all settled. USAA has been very good about paying things as they've been notified of the amounts...had a check in my hand for the initial estimated damage 5 days after the estimate was done. They initially covered it under my comprehensive coverage so they could get me the money to start the repairs while they were still investigating to determine fault. Once they determined it was the other guy's fault, they transferred the cost to his liability coverage and sent me my deductible too. I've heard of other insurance companies paying nothing until fault was determined, which delays repairs if you can't cover the cost yourself. If you can get USAA (not everyone is eligible), they are certainly worth considering. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 23:23:35 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:23:20 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 "Mike B." wrote: > If you can get USAA (not > everyone is eligible), they are certainly worth considering. what he meant to say is, "since military service is not cumpulsory, and USAA is only available to the individuals who served and thier immediate families, you may not be eligible." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 07:46:16 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 7:46:02 -0400 > > From: skip > Date: 2005/06/20 Mon PM 11:23:20 EDT > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 > > > > "Mike B." wrote: > > If you can get USAA (not > > everyone is eligible), they are certainly worth considering. > > what he meant to say is, "since military service is not cumpulsory, and > USAA is only available to the individuals who served and thier immediate > families, you may not be eligible." > > ...actually, it's even more restrictive than that. I served for 15 years and because I didn't join before I got out, I can't join now. However, I'm not sure they're any better than the Allstate policy I have now and I've been with Allstate (and the same agent btw) for over 20 years. (All except my bike which I insured with Dairyland since they're rates/reputation was one of the best for bikes). -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 07:48:38 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:48:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , LDRider , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Spammish - Boots for sale Apologies - they are a European size 44 - US 10.5~11ish My calf measures about 18" around - most boots over ankle height do not fit me. I was being optimistic :-( -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 07:52:05 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 To: skip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- skip wrote: > "Mike B." wrote: > > If you can get USAA (not > > everyone is eligible), they are certainly worth considering. > > what he meant to say is, "since military service is not cumpulsory, and > USAA is only available to the individuals who served and thier immediate > families, you may not be eligible." Sort of, but with USAA now allowing ex-spouses and children of members to keep coverage after the "immediate family" bit becomes void, along with graduates of pseudo-military schools like the Citadel who have never served, the umbrella has broadened quite a bit. -- Larry (shades of GEICO, to my disgust...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 07:53:43 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:53:39 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 > what he meant to say is, "since military service is not cumpulsory, and > USAA is only available to the individuals who served and thier immediate > families, you may not be eligible." If you were an Officer. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 07:57:01 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 7:56:55 -0400 > (All except my bike which I insured with Dairyland since they're rates/reputation was one of the best for bikes). ^^^^^^^ argh! they're = their (a pet peeve that I just did unto thyself) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 08:22:56 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: is there a FAQ? To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: motorpsychol@XXXXXX or you could go to King's Exxon right before the on ramp to 395 on Rt 7 and Hampton Rd. about 2-3 Blocks from NOVACC Alexandria. --- John Kozyn wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:57:06 -0400 > From: Danny Motorcycle > To: DC Cycles > Subject: [dc-cycles] is there a FAQ? > > Because I want to lookup the age old question of > where > to get a bike inspected in VA (preferably near > arlington) > where some old guy just looks at the bike toots the > horn and sends you on your merry way.. or some such. > > ============= > > Why not go to Dennis at Crossroads? He's not an old > guy (compared to me > :) but the inspection will take a 2-3 minutes. $5.00 > and you're on your > way. They're open from 10-6, Tue-Sat. Call first to > make sure D is > there though - 7/ 820-3711. > > > > John C. Kozyn > 1999 900SS > 1995 VFR750F > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 09:53:24 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'adamme1@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:52:59 -0400 Actually USAA doesn't do any MC policies anymore unless you already have a bike under a policy with them they will not do a new MC policy. In other words if I get another bike I have to go somewhere else to get another policy. Art -----Original Message----- From: adamme1@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 > (All except my bike which I insured with Dairyland since they're rates/reputation was one of the best for bikes). ^^^^^^^ argh! they're = their (a pet peeve that I just did unto thyself) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 09:56:33 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:56:17 +0000 Subject: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous http://tinyurl.com/analk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 10:10:11 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:09:55 -0400 This study involved 100 cars? How many drivers? 100? more? And how did they choose the participants? Doesn't that sound like too few for a meaningful sample? Yeah, I think talking on the cell while driving is a bad idea, but I don't think we're doing our 'cause' any good by publishing what could be considered 'bogus' studies. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous http://tinyurl.com/analk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 10:13:31 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:13:15 -0400 From: skip CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous A guy at my offics is part of this study. I'll go ask him if he has any more info about it. --skip "LindaT." wrote: > > This study involved 100 cars? How many drivers? 100? more? And how did they choose the participants? Doesn't that sound like too few for a meaningful sample? > > Yeah, I think talking on the cell while driving is a bad idea, but I don't think we're doing our 'cause' any good by publishing what could be considered 'bogus' studies. > > LindaT. > www.CustomTankBags.com > Hollywood, FL > IBA,BMWBMW,AMA > '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy > '95 F3 Purple Haze > '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:56 AM > To: DCCycles > Subject: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous > > http://tinyurl.com/analk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 10:37:01 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "Dc-Cycles" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:36:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous "LindaT." wrote: > > This study involved 100 cars? How many drivers? 100? more? And how did >they choose the participants? Doesn't that sound like too few for a >meaningful sample? [Dave] Everyone sees different things from the same data. To the people who practice it, talking on a cell phone while driving "they are just as good a driver as when they're not talking" possibly due to their "enhanced driving attentiveness and skill". :-/ If you don't want the study to have any sort of meaning, then to you, it won't. Likewise, if the study aligns with views you already hold, it simply reaffirms what you already believe. "8,295 incidents that required an evasive maneuver" out of 43000 hours of drive time. If you don't want the numbers to be sufficient for a 'meaningful sample' then you are free to not accept them as valid. I would counter with just how many would be - 1000 cars, or 10000 cars, or 100,000 cars or no amount of cars would be sufficient. Now, that doesn't mean I'm closed to the idea that the study may be wrong. Would someone care to point me to a study which indicates that driving while talking on the cell phone actually is beneficial, makes a better, safer driver and results in less collisions, near collisions and evasive maneuvers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 12:12:25 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:09:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 At 09:52 AM 6/21/05 -0400, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >Actually USAA doesn't do any MC policies anymore unless you already have a >bike under a policy with them they will not do a new MC policy. In other >words if I get another bike I have to go somewhere else to get another >policy. When did that start? I added my bike to my policy in September of '03. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 12:23:34 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:23:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Keyblanks; Good press for Biker ladies To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Have you tried Allied Lock and Safe, up the street from Coleman Posersports? They have been able to do just about anything I've needed. Glenn --- "W.S." wrote: > Alarm! Does anyone know of a shop that may have > every keyblank in the > universe? Have run into major problems trying to > dup a cable lock key. > They mutter something about too many channels, > European, etc. Help > appreciated: Will travel an hour or so from DC. > Offlist if you wish. > > > And -- a solid 2/3 page rundown on fairsex riding. > Nice vignettes. > > The Biker Next Door: She's No Punk Rebel > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/business/yourmoney/19bike.html? > [Include > the ending questionmark: May require registration] > > > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > '99 VN750 > Keep drawing blanks in your key search, > eh? > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 13:14:53 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Keyblanks; Good press for Biker l