From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 07:53:48 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:53:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX AR: >I recently resubscribed to the list after a couple >years out of the DC area. [Dave] Welcome back > The list traffic is definitely way, way down as compared to >the summer of 2000 when I first heard about DC-Cycles at a >bike night at Greveys in Falls Church. [Dave] wait for rain ;-) then the list will perk right back up. > >Is everyone now just on forums, or devoted to >track-only riding? Or gone from DC? [Dave] Still a lot subbed to DCC but I think that the first real 'warm' temps will have everyone preoccupied for a while. I was finally able to get out Monday and it was beautiful. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 08:15:18 2005 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:15:07 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet Adam Reinhardt wrote: >I recently resubscribed to the list after a couple >years out of the DC area. The list traffic is >definitely way, way down as compared to the summer of >2000 when I first heard about DC-Cycles at a bike >night at Greveys in Falls Church. > > Welcome back, we are here. >Is everyone now just on forums, or devoted to >track-only riding? Or gone from DC? > > > Just ask a simple question, Mike B. will be sure and reply with 500k worth of characters - mostly about nothing ;). ( jokes Mike, jokes). > >Adam > > Tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 08:20:17 2005 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:20:07 -0400 From: Larry Meyer To: DC Cycles List Subject: [dc-cycles] Poker Run Saturday June 4 This benefits the wife of a coworker of mine. She lost her leg and nearly her life when an oncoming cage driver decided one lane wasn't enough. Check it out. http://www.redknightsva7.com/documents/DeannaFlyer.htm Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 08:32:44 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:51:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcyclist mag helmet review and Z1R Shark identity On Tue, 31 May 2005, matthew patton wrote: > I just threw my '97 Shoei RF800 in the trash. Ditto my '99 HJC CL-11. > For $89 I picked up a Z1R Shark which the article in question gushed > about. Z1R wholesale copied the CL-11. The shape is the same, the pads > are the same, the venting is the same, the shields are the same, the > side plates are the same. ONly difference is the foam which is DOT-only > and not SNELL rated. So now I can happily use my misc shields for the > CL-11 on my brand new CL-11 clone. Cool! > > Better a $100 helmet every year than a $500 lid every 5 years. http://www.smf.org/pdf/articles/btlo_response.pdf -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 08:43:54 2005 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:39:40 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet Adam Reinhardt wrote: >Is everyone now just on forums, or devoted to >track-only riding? Or gone from DC? > > sunshine wakes us now, the time for riding has come. more typing with snow. -- _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 10:10:02 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:09:49 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Running around PA Hey all, just got back from a short day-and-a-half run up north(ish). I'd originally wanted to run down to Deal's Gap, but the weather and the wife put a Nix on taking all three days. So, I ended up taking half of Sunday and all of Monday just scooting around on Blue Bayou (my FJR1300). My plan was pretty vague... "Go North!" After checking what the weathergoons thought was going to happen, that seemed to be the best option. So, Sunday afternoon I headed over to a buddy's place to see if I could talk him in to coming along. By the time we'd watched the Indy race, the superbike race at Silverstone, and about a third of the Nascar race, I figured out he wasn't going to go. :) So, I took off while I still had a fair amount of daylight left. The basic route was from Springfield, VA to Leesburg then somehow to Frederick, MD. Then Hwy 15 through Thurmont, Emmitsburg and into Gettysburg. Hwy 30 over to York (which sucks, BTW), through Lancaster and finally snagged some superslab miles into Lionville for a room. Nothing real exciting happened on the way, other than overtaking an Amish horsebuggy or two (they have some awesome lighting systems on those things!) The next morning was straight into Valley Forge National Park. A neat place if you're in the area. Lots of nice scenery and it's real relaxing. A nice way to wake up before having to really be alert and on edge. I spent about two or three hours in and around Valley Forge NP. Then I did some scooting on down to Holtwood where I crossed the river (Susquehanna?) - there aren't a whole lot of places to get across that one. From there into Maryland... Westminster, Libertyville, Frederick then south across the Potomac. I did some exploring along the river, gradually heading south. I'd wanted to cross the Potomac at a particular point - Whites Ferry. AFAIK, it's the only ferry crossing for a long ways. It was interesting, but too short... the Potomac is still just a baby there. From there, it was a scoot down 15 towards my usual city-traffic, which I won't bore you with. All in all, I had a great riding day today. Only about two hours were spent in the rain (which was never heavy) and most of the time I was utterly lost and just following the compass... this is not a bad thing, IMO. Found some great roads and great food (had one of the best sandwiches and cherry pie ever)! Blue ran like a top and Johnny Law must have been sleeping. :) Total - about 10 hours of saddle time Monday and about 6 or so Sunday. All of them good! I hope your weekend was as good or better... if not, get out there! :P --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 11:23:13 2005 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:22:52 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet To: ajreinhardt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX We're still here. Just busy working or riding. :-) Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet I recently resubscribed to the list after a couple years out of the DC area. The list traffic is definitely way, way down as compared to the summer of 2000 when I first heard about DC-Cycles at a bike night at Greveys in Falls Church. Is everyone now just on forums, or devoted to track-only riding? Or gone from DC? Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 12:36:21 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:37:00 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: It's synthetic oil. Once you use it any motorcycle engine, your email program stops working. Actually I stopped riding about a year ago for budgetary reasons but took my CBR out of storage last Friday. It was one too many mornings with my face stuck up against the metro train doors. I disconnected the battery from from the Tender and reinstalled it, dusted off the seat, put in the key and my blessed Honda started on the third crank. Sweet, sweet sound. I rode it straight to the service station to pump up the tires and hit the road. That night I washed a year's worth of dirt off of it and Saturday I dropped it off at Mananssas Honda for service. Some of the air leakage and vague steering was explained by the large sheet metal screw sticking out the centerline of the tread, but the Dunlop was due for replacment this season anyway. I spent some time on the sales floor and was all set to buy the clean, used VFR800 they had when my wife showed up and dragged me off to the shopping mall :( Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA >SELECT * FROM Users WHERE clue > 0 0 rows returned - Is everyone now just on forums, or devoted to track-only riding? Or gone from DC? Adam From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 12:58:01 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:57:44 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] RE: Day of the Comet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cedric lamented his tale of woe: ... I spent some time on the sales floor and was all set to buy the clean, used VFR800 they had when my wife showed up and dragged me off to the shopping mall :( [Dave] Damn... that's harsh. Maybe you could get even by disassembling your beloved Honda in the living room... Next time you're hauled off to the mall as punishment you could legitimately proclaim "but you've been complaining I need to put the bike back together..."... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 13:53:38 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:53:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcyclist mag helmet review and Z1R Shark identity > Better a $100 helmet every year than a $500 lid every 5 years. Better yet, a $500 helmet every year -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 14:54:58 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:54:50 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] cheap lodging? I might have to come back to DC for a 6mo contracting job. Anyone got a room for like $300/mo that I could rent? Room for a cycle would be great too. some place in NoVA with reasonably good access to the Pentagon or Dulles/Herndon areas. my needs are quite simple. I'd be gone at least 1/2 the weekends is not most of them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 1 20:05:26 2005 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the comet To: Stephen , DC-Cycles ~1900 miles through va, nc, ga, sc, tn, ky, wv for me. hope everyone had a safe holiday weekend. -- tg --- Stephen wrote: > Have I fallen off the list, or has everyone gone riding > for the week? > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 3 20:56:04 2005 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,168,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="1166972484:sNHT19947530" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" , Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:55:54 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Day of the Comet Tom, It sounds like your travels may have bought you close to our new residence. We have moved to Boone in Western North Carolina, there is some fantastic riding in our area. You'll have to give us a shout if you plan on riding in the Shady Valley area any time soon! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR600, track only Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the comet To: Stephen , DC-Cycles ~1900 miles through va, nc, ga, sc, tn, ky, wv for me. hope everyone had a safe holiday weekend. -- tg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 5 19:14:42 2005 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the Comet To: Lisa Goddard , DC Cycles yep, passed right through boone on day 2: http://www.kajota.com:6969/Memorial%20Day%20Trip%202005/pages/image_map%20Day%202.html congrats on your move, goddards. man would it be nice to have those roads right outside your door. --tg --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > > Tom, > > It sounds like your travels may have bought you close to > our new residence. > We have moved to Boone in Western North Carolina, there > is some fantastic > riding in our area. You'll have to give us a shout if > you plan on riding in > the Shady Valley area any time soon! > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > '97 GSXR600, track only > > > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the comet > To: Stephen , DC-Cycles > > > ~1900 miles through va, nc, ga, sc, tn, ky, wv for me. > hope everyone had a safe holiday weekend. > > > -- > tg > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 6 07:11:25 2005 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the Comet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Boone has some awesome riding. US 221 (I think) south out of town is amazing. Glenn --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > > Tom, > > It sounds like your travels may have bought you > close to our new residence. > We have moved to Boone in Western North Carolina, > there is some fantastic > riding in our area. You'll have to give us a shout > if you plan on riding in > the Shady Valley area any time soon! > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > '97 GSXR600, track only > > > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the comet > To: Stephen , DC-Cycles > > > ~1900 miles through va, nc, ga, sc, tn, ky, wv for > me. > hope everyone had a safe holiday weekend. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 6 08:12:23 2005 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:12:19 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Day of the Comet Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Boone has some awesome riding. US 221 (I think) south > out of town is amazing. Just back from my first pass through the Smokies and stopping in to bother Jay & Lisa (bought a can of chain lube, so I claim the honor of being the first of the DC-Cycles gang to buy from them). All I have to say is that there really are no bad road choices in the area. Some are better than others, but all are pretty good. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 6 18:42:00 2005 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:44:49 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Marc Read Subject: [dc-cycles] For Sale From a lurker (I think I've posted three times in 4 years)... For sale due to relocation to England. Kawasaki ZR7s (750cc all-rounder) with factory hardbags. '02 model, 6500 miles, metallic blue/purple, good condition. $3500 or reasonable offer. Available anytime after June 22nd. More details on request. Thanks, Marc -- Marc Read **** marc@XXXXXX (home) marc_read@XXXXXX (work) **** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 8 12:53:48 2005 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:54:17 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" Subject: [dc-cycles] Something different Interesting charity ride: http://www.chefsonbikes.com/ Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 08:27:18 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 05:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Tires Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of these online dealers? American Motorcycle Tires Parts411.com MAW-Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse TIA, Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 08:35:55 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:35:49 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires To: DCcycles >Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of >these online dealers? > >American Motorcycle Tires >Parts411.com >MAW-Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse [Dave] Ian, long ago, I successfully ordered some stuff from MAW, but I understand that others have had problems... I've had good results from dennis kirk tho... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 08:47:27 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Ian Schmidt wrote: > Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of > these online dealers? I have not heard anything good about MAW. There's a guy that supports the 'Busa board and I buy my tires from him. His company is www.streetntrackimport.com and his name is Charles. I bought my BT014s from him last year. Hope that helps. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 11:23:34 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:23:24 +0000 From: corey To: DCcycles X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - victory.vs4dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - egoinc.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [dc-cycles] jackets i'm in the market for a leather jacket. after spending the last few days sweating in my JR textile upper, i'm considering going with a fully perforated jacket. eyeing up this Icon Pursuit jobby: http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/36-ICON-5 also considering the alpinestars tz-1: not fully perfed, but fairly breathable from what i read: http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/36-ALP05-1 anybody have experience with either of these jackets or have an opinion on running perforated leather year-round in DC? my hope is that i can run some underarmor cold gear underneath in the spring/fall or wear a windbreaker over it if it gets too cold. - corey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 11:38:50 2005 From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires To: DCcycles Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:38:45 -0400 Before purchasing tires, make sure you have someone who will install and balance them for you. Every shop I've tried to deal with has refuse to deal with tires I did not purchase from them. About two years ago, The Dirt Shop in College Park actually told me on the phone that they would do it, no problem. I ordered the tires, and then when I took them there, they said that they wouldn't install them, and, to add insult to injury, were beligerant with me about it too. Needless to say, after that, they are not getting any more of my business. I have placed many successful orders with MAW. On one occasion, they got the order wrong, and gave me no trouble with a return and filling it correctly. YMMV Stephen On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Ian Schmidt wrote: > > > Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of > > these online dealers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 12:39:56 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'theoctopus@XXXXXX'" , DCcycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Tires Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:39:47 -0400 JT's in Frederick will do it. I've taken my tires there a couple of times. Art -----Original Message----- From: theoctopus@XXXXXX [mailto:theoctopus@XXXXXX] To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires Before purchasing tires, make sure you have someone who will install and balance them for you. Every shop I've tried to deal with has refuse to deal with tires I did not purchase from them. About two years ago, The Dirt Shop in College Park actually told me on the phone that they would do it, no problem. I ordered the tires, and then when I took them there, they said that they wouldn't install them, and, to add insult to injury, were beligerant with me about it too. Needless to say, after that, they are not getting any more of my business. I have placed many successful orders with MAW. On one occasion, they got the order wrong, and gave me no trouble with a return and filling it correctly. YMMV Stephen On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Ian Schmidt wrote: > > > Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of > > these online dealers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 13:44:55 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:44:43 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: corey Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] jackets Cc: DCcycles My setup is like this: 1. One fully perferated jacket 2. One non perferated jacket with large zippered closable perferatons going from my chest over my shoulders. 3. One 2 peice full leather suit 4. Windbreaker that stays in the trunk for the fluxuating weather months When it's hot as hell, I only have/wear the fully perforated. When it's hot in the day and chilly at night, I have the perforated and the windbreaker. When i'ts nice out, but cooler at night, I'll have the non perforated and the windbreaker. when it's universally chilly I'll wear the 2 peice leathers. One jacket isn't enough IMO. One perferated, one non perf., and one windbreaker, is ideal. Although if I were going to only own one jacket, it would be perforated with a windbreaker. It's nice having a spare jacket anyway. And someone elses insurance may end up paying you for your jacket anway..with as many bad dc drivers we have. Always keep your gear reciepts, with your MC paperwork. I do want to get perforated pants too. Oh and I usually wear dirtbike knee armour under my jeans. I feel knees are far too fragile.. I need to find something for my hips too. On 6/9/05, corey wrote: > i'm in the market for a leather jacket. after spending the last few days > sweating in my JR textile upper, i'm considering going with a fully perforated > jacket. eyeing up this Icon Pursuit jobby: > http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/36-ICON-5 > > also considering the alpinestars tz-1: not fully perfed, but fairly breathable > from what i read: > http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/36-ALP05-1 > > anybody have experience with either of these jackets or have an opinion on > running perforated leather year-round in DC? my hope is that i can run some > underarmor cold gear underneath in the spring/fall or wear a windbreaker over > it if it gets too cold. > > - corey > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 14:01:27 2005 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:01:16 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires Manassass Honda will put your ordered tires on - but only on Hondas. Tom de Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >JT's in Frederick will do it. I've taken my tires there a couple of times. > >Art >-----Original Message----- >From: theoctopus@XXXXXX [mailto:theoctopus@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:39 AM >To: DCcycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires > >Before purchasing tires, make sure you have someone who >will install and balance them for you. Every shop I've >tried to deal with has refuse to deal with tires I did not >purchase from them. About two years ago, The Dirt Shop in >College Park actually told me on the phone that they would >do it, no problem. I ordered the tires, and then when I >took them there, they said that they wouldn't install them, >and, to add insult to injury, were beligerant with me about >it too. > >Needless to say, after that, they are not getting any more >of my business. > >I have placed many successful orders with MAW. On one >occasion, they got the order wrong, and gave me no trouble >with a return and filling it correctly. YMMV > >Stephen > > >On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >>On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Ian Schmidt wrote: >> >> >> >>>Has anybody had a good or bad experience from any of >>>these online dealers? >>> >>> > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 14:08:15 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:08:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires To: "De Boeser, Tom" , DCcycles Manassas honda is actually Manassas Honda Kawasaki, so same holds true for the greenies. fyi. - Jimmy --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > Manassass Honda will put your ordered tires on - but only on > Hondas. > > Tom de __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 18:37:00 2005 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:36:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires To: DCcycles --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I have not heard anything good about MAW. To be fair, several people have posted in the past about good experiences with MAW, including me. YMMV, of course -- I have no doubt there have been some people who've had bad experiences, but there are far, far more bandwagon-hoppers, just as with Coleman's. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 9 20:29:08 2005 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:27:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tires Ill pile on this bandwagon. I have ordered maybe 10 times from MAW and it has been fine every time. Not always the fastest, and the website is heinous, but they are cheap and have always provided what is advertised. Do your research at the manufacturers site and get it from MAW. Chris >--- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > I have not heard anything good about MAW. > >To be fair, several people have posted in the past about good experiences with >MAW, including me. > >YMMV, of course -- I have no doubt there have been some people who've had bad >experiences, but there are far, far more bandwagon-hoppers, just as with >Coleman's. > >-- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 08:34:04 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Tires To: DCcycles I have bought tires from Parts411 and MAW. No problems. But, best experience had to be from www.swmototires.com. About tire installation, the best place has to be through CAD cycles in Gaithersburgh. Through them, it is ~$19 per tire if wheel is OFF the bike and $35 per tire if wheel is ON the bike. And, you do not have to buy from them. Ryan __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 09:40:02 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:39:49 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza Anyone ever get stopped for going to fast through the Dulles Toll Road main toll plaza? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 09:50:57 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I believe this question came up a few months ago and the general feeling was 1) the sensor will still register at double the posted speed limit (probably higher too?) and 2) LEOs sometimes do monitor traffic going through the gates (I imagine they would pursue someone blasting through the gate?). I've gone through the EZPass lane at 70mph and got the green "toll paid" light........ - Jimmy --- rich hall wrote: > Anyone ever get stopped for going to fast through the Dulles Toll > Road main > toll plaza? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 09:51:28 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:51:17 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rich asked: Anyone ever get stopped for going to fast through the Dulles Toll Road main toll plaza? [Dave] First, thanks for helping to keep Unfairtax county taxes just a little bit lower by using the toll road ;-) Virginia taxes too.. My wife uses the toll road on an irregular basis, but she used to use it all the time, even had one of the dumbtags. In the few times I've used it, when I try to slow down to about 15 - 20 mph OVER the posted limit near the plaza, I get death threats, dirty looks, and I doubt those people were remarking what a 'safe driver' I was being. My point is you would have to be doing an extraordinary speed to stand out. OR, get pulled over by a bike hating cop. The posted limits around the toll lanes are ridiculously low, and routinely ignored. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 09:57:33 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:57:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Two dnifferent people at work have had two different experiences. The first one got a letter in the mail saying he was going to fast through the plaza. The other got pulled over for speeding right outside the "fast lanes" by moto LEOs doing radar. Glen --- rich hall wrote: > Anyone ever get stopped for going to fast through > the Dulles Toll Road main > toll plaza? > > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 10:05:40 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:05:38 -0400 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza I've seen official vehicles parked in the median many times, but most seemed to be ticketing toll-pass lane violaters, not speeders. The average speed going through the plaza is pretty danged expeditious, I'm barely keeping up with traffic at 65. Robert On 6/10/05, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Two dnifferent people at work have had two different > experiences. The first one got a letter in the mail > saying he was going to fast through the plaza. The > other got pulled over for speeding right outside the > "fast lanes" by moto LEOs doing radar. > > Glen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 11:01:19 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:01:02 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Robert Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I've seen official vehicles parked in the median many times, but most > seemed to be ticketing toll-pass lane violaters, not speeders. I've also seen State Troopers standing on the concrete islands, nonchalantly leaning on the "Toll Paid" lights watching oncoming traffic. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 11:16:19 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:16:07 -0400 From: skip To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza Two stories: I had a friend that used the toll road every day at around 12pm. He would go through at about 50-55. he started wondering, "just how fast -can- I go before it won't register?" so the next day, 75. fine the day after 90. fine the day after 105. fine he said to himself, "there is no speed that i can attain that it will not register." so the next day he goes through at the normal speed, and there's a cop running radar. second story: I know two people who got reckless driving tickets for "speeding" through the fasttool lanes. both were going with the flow of traffic at the time. I suspect that when they're low on their quota they hang out there to fluff their numbers a bit. --skip rich hall wrote: > > Anyone ever get stopped for going to fast through the Dulles Toll Road main > toll plaza? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 11:40:47 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Toll Plaza To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX the toll lanes here in IL have big, nasty dips in the lanes so 40-50mph is about the most I'd go thru there. Because to miss the dips, you end up hugging the wall and I don't like the feel of concrete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 12:03:17 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) For those of you with two-stroke experience, I was riding my Honda NSR SE/SP on its first day assembled in the US. Everything was fine for the first hour or so but then, with no warning, the bike began to die as if it had an electrical or ignition problem. I tried to keep reving it to keep it from dying but my efforts failed and the bike stalled out. I didn't hear any snaps, cracks or bangs, but I can no longer turn over the motor with the kick start, which makes me think it might have seized. I haven't had a chance to look inside the cylinders for problems. In the mean time I want to post in order to get a couple responses while I make arrangements to get the bike towed back to the garage. I guess I'm clinging to the thought that it *could* be something else and not a seizure. Thanks Adam __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 12:14:48 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) To: Adam Reinhardt , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not very familiar with two-strokes, but with bike in low gear, are you able to rotate the rear tire.....as in turning the motor over? This may not be the easiest thing on a high compression motor and/or 2stroke, but if you can't manually move the innards ie piston of the motor, then it is likely seized. Thought, I'm not sure the kickstart lever would move if it is seized......I have no clue on that one. From your description, it sounds seized :( . Bummer if so. - Jimmy --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > For those of you with two-stroke experience, I was > riding my Honda NSR SE/SP on its first day assembled > in the US. Everything was fine for the first hour or > so but then, with no warning, the bike began to die as > if it had an electrical or ignition problem. I tried > to keep reving it to keep it from dying but my efforts > failed and the bike stalled out. > > I didn't hear any snaps, cracks or bangs, but I can no > longer turn over the motor with the kick start, which > makes me think it might have seized. > > I haven't had a chance to look inside the cylinders > for problems. In the mean time I want to post in > order to get a couple responses while I make > arrangements to get the bike towed back to the garage. > > I guess I'm clinging to the thought that it *could* be > something else and not a seizure. > > Thanks > > Adam > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 12:36:31 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:36:24 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) Pull the plugs and try to kick it. If it won't turn with the plugs out, you're siezed. If it does kick, you either have REALLY high compression (I'm not familiar with the NSRs but I'd imagine they could throw you over the bars with the kick starter) or clogged reed/port setup - assuming the NSR works on a reed or port system instead of a valve. I don't think you can use valves on a 2-stroke, but it's been a LONG time since since I've dealt with them (mine was a '75 GT750 to give you an idea of how long ago it was), so I have no idea how much the technology might have changed. Short version: sounds siezed to me, but there's a possibilty it's something else. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ On 6/10/05, Adam Reinhardt wrote: > For those of you with two-stroke experience, I was > riding my Honda NSR SE/SP on its first day assembled > in the US. Everything was fine for the first hour or > so but then, with no warning, the bike began to die as > if it had an electrical or ignition problem. I tried > to keep reving it to keep it from dying but my efforts > failed and the bike stalled out. > > I didn't hear any snaps, cracks or bangs, but I can no > longer turn over the motor with the kick start, which > makes me think it might have seized. > > I haven't had a chance to look inside the cylinders > for problems. In the mean time I want to post in > order to get a couple responses while I make > arrangements to get the bike towed back to the garage. > > I guess I'm clinging to the thought that it *could* be > something else and not a seizure. > > Thanks > > Adam From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 13:03:41 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX No question is too silly. I checked all fluids except I now realize that I forgot to check the gear box oil, which could be where the problem is. Adam --- skip wrote: > silly question, but is there oil in it? > > Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > > > For those of you with two-stroke experience, I was > > riding my Honda NSR SE/SP on its first day > assembled > > in the US. Everything was fine for the first hour > or > > so but then, with no warning, the bike began to > die as > > if it had an electrical or ignition problem. I > tried > > to keep reving it to keep it from dying but my > efforts > > failed and the bike stalled out. > > > > I didn't hear any snaps, cracks or bangs, but I > can no > > longer turn over the motor with the kick start, > which > > makes me think it might have seized. > > > > I haven't had a chance to look inside the > cylinders > > for problems. In the mean time I want to post in > > order to get a couple responses while I make > > arrangements to get the bike towed back to the > garage. > > > > I guess I'm clinging to the thought that it > *could* be > > something else and not a seizure. > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 14:47:08 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:47:05 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > No question is too silly. I checked all fluids except > I now realize that I forgot to check the gear box oil, > which could be where the problem is. Engine lube - direct injection or pre-mix? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 10 21:42:17 2005 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:40:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Did I seize? (Two-stroke question) At 07:00 PM 6/10/2005, you wrote: >From: "James O'Connor" > >Not very familiar with two-strokes, but with bike in low gear, are >you able to rotate the rear tire.....as in turning the motor over? Just to be nitpicky, it will turn easier in high gear than low gear. Low gear: More crank turns per wheel turn. High gear: Less crank turns per wheel turn. Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 11 08:38:09 2005 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 08:37:53 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] short notice ride I'm going to leave in about 30 minutes to an hour: heading out to skyline drive for the day -- see how far I feel like going down it. if you want to come, call me 571-228-7119 --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 12 01:37:11 2005 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:36:49 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles , maggot Subject: [dc-cycles] ride report the initial plan was to ride skyline drive. A friend was going to be in Charlottesville, and it would have been nice to see him. so i gassed up headed out. took 340 off of 66 to warrenton, then took 211. wasn't hammering it up the mountain, but I wasn't taking it real easy. it was just right. no other traffic, free. about the top, where the entrance for the park is, it started raining. and by "rain" what I mean is "dumping buckets". looking to the south, it looked bad. I bailed on skyline drive, and just stayed on 211. the bike felt pretty solid in the wet. I was very relieved, as I haven't' done too much riding in the rain. after i got off the peak, the rain slowed. my original destination discarded, I had nowhere to go, nd all day to get there. about 3/4 of the way down the west side, I turned towards "jewel hollow" on some little road. t went from gravel to 1 lane paved, back to gravel. twisty, turny, wet, and un familiar. it was a blast. making twists and turns, I snaked my way back towards the mountains and ended up at a fire road entrance. I hung out and listened to the rain for about 15-20 minutes, and took off. winding my way away from the mountains, I ran into 340. I took that back to 211, and continued west. climbing another mountain, passed a harley gathering spot. it's in the middle of a big right hander, and I was cookin'. I was nearly touching a peg for the whole turn and thought, God, would it -suck- to go down in front of all these folks... but I was unable to out ride the capabilities of my bike :~) stayed on 211, and ran into 42. I recognized it, so I took it. I ended up near bryce, so I headed that way. I've been going down to bryce for nearly 20 years. my STBX's father lives there. I've been ==dying== to take a bike down that road. I had a great run down it. very smooth... had some really good pulled pork and scalloped potatoes at the "263 diner". trust me about the scalloped potatoes. another great run up the mountain, I took 42 north, not knowing exactly where it went, but suspecting it went the general way that i wanted to go. I ended up crossing 81 as the skies were beginning to open again. I looked north, considering a strafing run home, but the skies were solid and ==raining==. looking south, I saw clear skies. the decision was made. I got on 11, and headed south, back to 211. stayed on 211 ad had great runs u and down the mountain. I went into one turn a little too hot, and knowing that aborting the mission was no longer possible, I just kept pushing it over. I was pleased that the tires held, cause it would have --sucked-- tires failing to hold in a turn is my biggest 'gear fear' when it comes to riding, so getting a peg down for a good long grind was a satisfying accomplishment. after getting back to 29, I took dumfries road, because i've always wanted to know where it went. I ended up being near a friend's house, so i dropped by. he wasn't' home, so i took advantage of his shady porch to let my socks, shoes and feet dry out, and took about a 15 minute nap. I took a lame route from there, but I was getting tired, and I was starting to get 'monkey butt'. arriving home, I grabbed a cold beer and put my feet up... mission accomplished. -skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 12 07:01:11 2005 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:01:04 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: skip Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ride report Cc: DC Cycles , maggot > my original destination discarded, I had nowhere to go, nd all day to > get there. Nice ride - some of the best rides just happen - planning be damned! -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 13 03:12:18 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:12:09 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Half a day to Skyline Hey all, Just a quick report on my outing this weekend... Sunday the wife and I both had separate plans till about three'ish. Then I figure it's time to go for a ride. I convince the wife that she needs to spend some quality time in the saddle and that Skyline drive would be a good quick trip. I'm trying to slowly build her up to some serious saddle time... like "two-week vacation on the bike" saddle time, gotta start somewhere. Anyway, we get her as geared up as possible using a combination of some of her hiking gear and some of my smaller bike gear. We then head on out towards Skyline. I figured that I'd start at 211 (Thornton Gap) and just cruise up to Front Royal so we'd have a good selection of food when we were done with the majority of the ride. I stick my head over my shoulder to ask her how she's doing at every stop light on hwy 29 - no complaints come back to me. We get through Warrenton and are at another damned light when she starts mentioning a friend who lives not too far away and that we should stop and see them. "Like Hell!" methinks and politely offer to check in with them on the way back. She buys it so we cruise on up 211 towards Sperryville. We pass lots of bikes (including another FJR... "heyya"), the usual cop in the median as we get close to Washington, then we pull into the last Shell station before Sperryville. Time to take a quick stretch and explain cornering and leaning. I do so and basically manage to get an agreement that she won't do anything "funky" while I'm leaned over and that she'll either lean or not lean, but that she promises not to change her mind about anything while approaching or in the middle of a curve. Sounds to me like she's got the basics down and we head off towards the last couple of miles of 211 before Skyline. We hit the first couple of decent corners (okay, sweepers) on the bottom of the mountain and the wife does just fine. We then get up into the more entertaining bits and all of the sudden she goes "floppy" on me. I have to interject here that it's not uncommon for my wife to fall asleep on the back of a motorcycle... I don't understand it, but it happens. I figure she just fell asleep and is leaning against me so I just keep on heading up the mountain. I scraped my peg feeler once, which surprised the hell out of me. Not "scared", just surprised. I didn't think I was that far over and I'd forgotten about the extra weight on the back maybe stealing some of my clearance. I didn't actually think I was anywhere close to touching down because the bike wasn't complaining in the slightest. I think the FJR is actually more stable two-up than with just me. Time to do some suspension tweaking. Anyway.... We make it up to the ranger station on Skyline, pay the good man our money and head through the tunnel to the first overlook (that's South, BTW. I just like the tunnel). We hops off and I swap to the "pudding bowl" helmet for the rest of Skyline (yes, I know and I don't care - it's 35 mph for god's sake!). Wife is fine and claims she was awake for all of 211 and that it wasn't that bad. Didn't notice any weird scraping sounds on the turns. ;) Anyway... the rest of the trip was uneventful, but successful with the following exceptions... The new digital camera does NOT take 1 GB cards and no one checked this before leaving the house. The FJR *really* likes to pop up the front wheel when riding two-up. Wife gets exhausted riding and is now in a temporary coma. I just realized I had two large iced teas with dinner before we got home which is why I'm awake at 3 am. Time to order some more gear, I think. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 13 12:07:35 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:07:21 -0400 From: Eric Geary To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Tire changing (mount and balance) So colemans wants $100 and i def can not afford that, anyone know what i need to buy to do it myself and where i can get them (links if possible). or maybe even a cheaper place to get it done, but i figured for 100 i could buy my own tools since my gs has a centerstand i dont need one if those thanks in advance! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 13 12:12:28 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tire changing (mount and balance) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX tire irons at about $15 x 3 and something to break the bead. I have a harborfreight tire changer which is a neat little gadget ($75 all told) but I can't find a way to mount the damn thing. I have unusual constraints, like not being able to drill holes in the concrete floor to anchor it and I've discovered that poorly done blacktop doesn't hold squat. So if you can solid mount it, it's great. If you want your rims to be perfect for the next ten years, then probably don't. anyone want a tire changer? Not sure how I'd get it to DC from Chicago though. hard to strap onto the back of a bike... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 13 12:47:01 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tire changing (mount and balance) To: Eric Geary , DCcycles Well, if you're a really cheap b***d you'll get a pair of tire spoons (or a cheap substitute,) a couple of short 2x4 pieces, and a big C-clamp. Motorcycle tires are easy. Some of those wide radials that go on cars can be a real PIA. Leon. --- Eric Geary wrote: > So colemans wants $100 and i def can not afford > that, anyone know what > i need to buy to do it myself and where i can get > them (links if > possible). > > or maybe even a cheaper place to get it done, but i > figured for 100 i > could buy my own tools since my gs has a centerstand > i dont need one > if those > > thanks in advance! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 13 13:05:19 2005 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: 04 CBR600 Posting for a friend of mine, e-mail me or him if you want pics, otherwise contact him regarding the sale: 2004 Honda CBR 600F4i It's got ~4400 miles, always been garaged, only ridden in nice weather, and never been laid down. $6500 Contact Mike: mikersoft@XXXXXX (703) 989-8682 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 07:23:36 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:23:29 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today > You didn't get the memo it's national Idiot driver day. What a coincidence, tomorrow is, too. And the day after... Be careful out there. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 07:52:52 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:52:42 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> You didn't get the memo it's national Idiot driver day. > >What a coincidence, tomorrow is, too. > >And the day after... > >Be careful out there. [Dave] It seems we're conducting a region wide experiment in just how dumb people can be behind the wheel. This is in addition to how stupid our state/city/commonwealth transportation departments can be. I'm not sure when the experiment began, or where the 'control' areas are, but I'll be glad when the experiment is over. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 09:36:39 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:36:25 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yep, saw the experiment in action this morning while walking to work. Yes, I live 10 blocks away from my office and walk to work. :-) Anyway, corner of 9th and Mass right in front of the New Convention Center, mommy van decided to make a right turn from the far left lane directly in front of another car headed in the same direction in the right lane. Passenger side of the mommy van and the front end of the other car smashed in. There was even a firetruck right behind them headed back to their station when it happened. They stopped, assessed the situation and started directing traffic while they waited for the cops. Gotta love DC drivers. hehe Scooter (walking to work in our nations Crapital since 1995) -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today >> You didn't get the memo it's national Idiot driver day. > >What a coincidence, tomorrow is, too. > >And the day after... > >Be careful out there. [Dave] It seems we're conducting a region wide experiment in just how dumb people can be behind the wheel. This is in addition to how stupid our state/city/commonwealth transportation departments can be. I'm not sure when the experiment began, or where the 'control' areas are, but I'll be glad when the experiment is over. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 10:17:45 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:17:52 -0400 To: scooterfzr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today At 09:36 AM 6/14/05 -0400, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: >Yep, saw the experiment in action this morning while walking to work. >Yes, I live 10 blocks away from my office and walk to work. :-) >Anyway, corner of 9th and Mass right in front of the New Convention >Center, mommy van decided to make a right turn from the far left lane >directly in front of another car headed in the same direction in the >right lane. Passenger side of the mommy van and the front end of the >other car smashed in. There was even a firetruck right behind them >headed back to their station when it happened. They stopped, assessed >the situation and started directing traffic while they waited for the >cops. Gotta love DC drivers. hehe I think the "experiment" is just the same lack of respect for the laws that is so often represented on this list. If everyone stuck to the legal limits on driving at all times, there wouldn't be so many hairy situations and accidents. The problem is too many people who think the rules don't apply to them, at least not all the time. The "everybody does it, so it's ok to break the law...at least if you don't get caught" attitude is the main problem. The minor part of the problem is an inability to drive well...most who don't, can, they just don't bother. You start with a few miles an hour over the limit, then more, then you start weaving through traffic to maintain that speed while others are going slower (legal limit perhaps), then you start skipping the turn signals on the lane changes or even on actual turns, then you start crossing solid painted lines (including the double yellow on a curve when you are going to fast to make it around with only one lane), and eventually you don't bother to replace burned out lights, or maintain your brakes, and then tailgate...it's a wonder we don't have *more* accidents than we do. -- Mike B. -- If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 11:09:54 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today To: "Mike B." , scooterfzr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I will quickly and shamelessly admit to being one of those who feels "some" laws don't apply to. I will also admit it sometimes gets me in more trouble than it is worth.......better half doesn't like it when I am "above the law" on the road and neither do the LEOs. I agree with many of your points (with the exception of your suggestion that speeding will lead to the apocalypse) and if it were as easy as strapping our wheels to a conveyor belt so that we'd smoothly and seemlessly meander down the road - that'd be great. But, realistically, you'll probably have better luck rubbing a lamp. Traffic pains result from many things, likely the fact that we're all independent thinkers.....or non-thinkers. I'd wager that most of us moto folks have a "point A to point B" mentality while commuting and that most of us moto folks tend to put considerable thought into our actions on the road (whether or not seen by others as such), so to find the lazy, careless steering, awareness lacking, motorist on the road - it is easy to point the finger at them. And rightly so. If people thought about their driving, I wouldn't have to think about it for them. If everyone actually THOUGHT about what they were doing before, during, and after the operation of their vehicle - I'd bet traffic collisions would drop dramatically and average speeds would increase......and I wouldn't have to contemplate whether or not to lane split while stopped on 3 lanes of traffic on 66. - Jimmy --- "Mike B." wrote: > I think the "experiment" is just the same lack of respect for the > laws that > is so often represented on this list. If everyone stuck to the > legal > limits on driving at all times, there wouldn't be so many hairy > situations > and accidents. The problem is too many people who think the rules > don't > apply to them, at least not all the time. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 12:39:35 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:39:32 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Horizons Unlimited Anyone heading down to Stecoah for the meeting? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 12:50:20 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:48:47 -0400 To: "James O'Connor" , scooterfzr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today At 08:09 AM 6/14/05 -0700, James O'Connor wrote: >I will quickly and shamelessly admit to being one of those who feels >"some" laws don't apply to. I will also admit it sometimes gets me >in more trouble than it is worth.......better half doesn't like it >when I am "above the law" on the road and neither do the LEOs. I never feel that I'm "above the law", but I don't always stay within it either. There are times, and it's been discussed here before, where obeying the laws is more dangerous than breaking them a little. For example, if all the traffic on your stretch of road is insisting on 75mph, going the posted 55 is dangerous for you as well as others (delta v is more important than v). There are several solutions to this problem...make the speed limit the average speed, use technology to limit speeds to the posted limit or to fine anyone who breaks it *every* time they break it (technology to do both exists today, it would just have to be mandated), get rid of speed limits and use a "slower traffic move right" rule like on the Autobahn (which then requires that *that* be enforced somehow...), and probably others, but the only option I have personally is to go 55 and be dangerous or kick it up a little closer to the 75 that everyone else is doing, so I usually do that unless density is low enough that just staying in the right lane will let them zip past on the left without problems. >I agree with many of your points (with the exception of your suggestion >that speeding will lead to the apocalypse) I never said that. I said that the same attitude that leads to regular speeding (as opposed to occasional emergency speeding) also leads to other lawbreaking, most of which you can get away with most of the time...but which is known to be the cause of accidents, which is often why it's illegal in the first place. >and if it were as easy as >strapping our wheels to a conveyor belt so that we'd smoothly and >seemlessly meander down the road - that'd be great. We could probably manage that as far as technology is concerned too. Not an actual conveyor belt, but a GPS-based system with short range radio links to other vehicles with on-board computers to coordinate actions so that everyone gets where they are going quicker and more safely. Doubt it would work as well on a bike as with a car, but improvement is possible. >Traffic pains result from many things, likely the fact that we're all >independent thinkers.....or non-thinkers. Yep, with way too many per square area around here. Traffic issues don't come up much in places like Montana for instance, where the traffic density is often undetectable. Belgrade "rush hour" for instance consisted of 6 cars within sight, only one of which was on the same road as me. I agree with the rest of what you said. Losing the "point A to point B" mentality would help a lot I think. Enjoy the ride, don't worry so much about the destination... -- Mike B. -- I want .50 cal machine guns as a factory option. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 16:08:41 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:08:25 -0400 From: "John M. Stafford" To: dc-cycles Mailing List Subject: [dc-cycles] Next Tuesday Summer Solstice Happy Hour *PLEASE NOTE THE TIME* This is a dinner time event. * SUMMER SOLSTICE * SUMMER SOLSTICE * SUMMER SOLSTICE * Extra, extra, extra sunlight! Scooter and motorcyclist Happy Hour Tuesday June 21 6-8pm at Asylum on the corner of 18th and Columbia in Adams Morgan. Aslyum has cheap eats and drinks during happy hour and cycle parking with security cameras and everything, right in front of the bar. Come on out, talk bikes until your throat bleeds, and enjoy the longest day of the year. All owners of two-wheeled vehicles, running bike or not, and NEW OWNERS are WELCOME. Assuming no rain or thunderstorms, at 8pm we will take a ride up along the entire Rock Creek Parkway and back down to the monuments before the sun sets. Please don't be late, the fun of this ride is being able to run the length of the parkway while there's still light. Enjoy, John M. Stafford From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 20:49:21 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:49:06 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Lanesplitting progress In the back depths of the July Motorcyclist comes this re lanesplitting: "Extensive e-mail correspondence on the matter with the best legal minds of the American Motorcyclist Association revealed the following: 1) California is currently the only state that permits lane-splitting for all motorcyclists. 2) In 2003, Florida passed legislation permitting lane-splitting, but only for motorcycles operated by police officers and firefighters. 3) Three states - Massachusetts, Texas and Washington - have legislation pending to allow motorcyclists to split lanes under certain conditions. Again, legislation in those states is pending; it has not been passed." I seem to recall efforts in neighboring states, but times change. As a published lanesplitting advocate to all others so inclined - let's keep plugging. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Bring on the door openers and sour grape'ers. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 21:21:35 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Lanesplitting progress Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:21:33 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e23e0df731de8f88bd66146d3776e44c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c As a published lanesplitting advocate to all others so inclined - let's keep plugging. [Dave] While I don't regularly practice it, I support you and other responsible motorcyclists to be able to do it - legally or otherwise. The delay it causes me is minimal, and it's better for traffic, emissions etc. It does cause others to suffer *some* minor delay, but it's minimal... I would think Virginia could be swayed. A good place to start would be to remove the 2 abreast restriction for motos... It's not like we can really turn our noses up at practically any idea... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 21:42:07 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:40:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today >From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX >Anyway, corner of 9th and Mass right in front of the New Convention >Center, mommy van decided to make a right turn from the far left lane >directly in front of another car headed in the same direction in the >right lane. Passenger side of the mommy van and the front end of the I see this kind of manoeuvre all of the time around here. "Right turn from left lane", "left turn from right lane", the ever popular "three lane change instant freeway exit" are all very popular. Why? Do people get so engrossed in the phone, radio, or skirt length of the lady in the Miata next to them that their turn sneaks up on them and they have to do some crazy stunts to get over? Do they not know the turn is coming? In todays age of mapquest, satellite navigation and better street signage, how do turns sneak up on them? If you know where you are going, then plan accordingly. If you don't know where you are going, look at a map, slow down and pay attention. How hard is that? Sheesh! Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 21:49:14 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:48:39 -0400 From: skip To: Chris Chubb CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today You're just talkin' all CRAZY man! Have you looked around?? We're all gonna die, man! we're all gonna die!!!! Chris Chubb wrote: > > >From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX > >Anyway, corner of 9th and Mass right in front of the New Convention > >Center, mommy van decided to make a right turn from the far left lane > >directly in front of another car headed in the same direction in the > >right lane. Passenger side of the mommy van and the front end of the > > I see this kind of manoeuvre all of the time around here. "Right turn from > left lane", "left turn from right lane", the ever popular "three lane > change instant freeway exit" are all very popular. Why? Do people get so > engrossed in the phone, radio, or skirt length of the lady in the Miata > next to them that their turn sneaks up on them and they have to do some > crazy stunts to get over? Do they not know the turn is coming? In todays > age of mapquest, satellite navigation and better street signage, how do > turns sneak up on them? > > If you know where you are going, then plan accordingly. If you don't know > where you are going, look at a map, slow down and pay attention. How hard > is that? > > Sheesh! > > Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 21:55:44 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:55:35 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Do you know where your bike is? Hey all, While this is either nothing or there's some poor bastard out there who's not on the list, I'm short a good deed for the day, so I figured I'd put this out there... A particular group of characters in my neighborhood are known to recieve fairly regular visits from the local constabulary. I happened to notice the characters unloading and pushing a bike that was new enough to still be under warantee. Let's just go on a stretch of the imagination here and assume that maybe it was being pushed (up a very steep driveway) because maybe the particular characters were lacking a key for the thing. If so... If you happen to be missing a bike, email me (OFF LIST!) with the year, make, model and color of the bike and we can discuss what I can offer in the way of assistance. Like I said, it may be nothing or it may be a real long shot, but I figured I'd give it a shot. Do you know where YOUR bike is today? --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 14 22:32:21 2005 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:32:12 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Do you know where your bike is? Ack! I was already thinking about calling it in when I posted. The couple of emails I got tipped the scales and convinced me. I called it in. I repeat: I CALLED THE FUZZ! QUIT EMAILING ME!!! (unless you think it's your bike, of course) Damn... I'm glad very few of you have my phone number. ;) --smthng On 6/14/05, smthng else wrote: > Hey all, > > While this is either nothing or there's some poor bastard out there > who's not on the list, I'm short a good deed for the day, so I figured > I'd put this out there... > > A particular group of characters in my neighborhood are known to > recieve fairly regular visits from the local constabulary. I happened > to notice the characters unloading and pushing a bike that was new > enough to still be under warantee. Let's just go on a stretch of the > imagination here and assume that maybe it was being pushed (up a very > steep driveway) because maybe the particular characters were lacking a > key for the thing. If so... > > If you happen to be missing a bike, email me (OFF LIST!) with the > year, make, model and color of the bike and we can discuss what I can > offer in the way of assistance. > > Like I said, it may be nothing or it may be a real long shot, but I > figured I'd give it a shot. Do you know where YOUR bike is today? > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > -- --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 01:29:50 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:29:38 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles , roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] if i were the riders father i'd be thinking... big fat lawsuit http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151216,00.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 02:54:00 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:53:50 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: you@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Do you know where your bike is? Cc: DC Cycles So what was the outcome? and how come you can't say the bike model/color ? I'm guessing you're right.. but maybe they just didn't want to wake the neighbors? I don't know? On 6/14/05, smthng else wrote: > Ack! I was already thinking about calling it in when I posted. The > couple of emails I got tipped the scales and convinced me. I called > it in. > > I repeat: I CALLED THE FUZZ! QUIT EMAILING ME!!! (unless you think > it's your bike, of course) > > Damn... I'm glad very few of you have my phone number. ;) > > --smthng > > On 6/14/05, smthng else wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > While this is either nothing or there's some poor bastard out there > > who's not on the list, I'm short a good deed for the day, so I figured > > I'd put this out there... > > > > A particular group of characters in my neighborhood are known to > > recieve fairly regular visits from the local constabulary. I happened > > to notice the characters unloading and pushing a bike that was new > > enough to still be under warantee. Let's just go on a stretch of the > > imagination here and assume that maybe it was being pushed (up a very > > steep driveway) because maybe the particular characters were lacking a > > key for the thing. If so... > > > > If you happen to be missing a bike, email me (OFF LIST!) with the > > year, make, model and color of the bike and we can discuss what I can > > offer in the way of assistance. > > > > Like I said, it may be nothing or it may be a real long shot, but I > > figured I'd give it a shot. Do you know where YOUR bike is today? > > > > --smthng > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > > > > -- > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 08:53:42 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 05:53:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lanesplitting progress To: "W.S." , DC-Cycles Does anyone think it might be a good idea to point out that the existing Virginia law is not enforced uniformly? On the HOV ramp from I-95 to the Franconia Springfield Parkway, the ramp is only marked for one lane. There are always two lines waiting for the light. Today, while waiting to turn right, an unmarked State Police Car with a uniformed officer in it pulled up alongside me (and others.) He also ignored the other vehicles which split that lane until the light changed. Perhaps when they are enforcing HOV violations at that intersection bikers could ask if they are writing reckless driving tickets for those cars that are lane splitting. If not, then ask if it's ok for motorcycles to split lanes in that location. If it's ok there, where else is it allowed and how does one tell? Leon Begeman Ninja 250 V-Strom (sometimes one needs a truck to haul stuff) --- "W.S." wrote: > In the back depths of the July Motorcyclist comes > this re > lanesplitting: > > "Extensive e-mail correspondence on the matter with > the best legal > minds of the American Motorcyclist Association > revealed the following: > 1) California is currently the only state that > permits lane-splitting for > all motorcyclists. > 2) In 2003, Florida passed legislation permitting > lane-splitting, but only > for motorcycles operated by police officers and > firefighters. > 3) Three states - Massachusetts, Texas and > Washington - have legislation > pending to allow motorcyclists to split lanes under > certain conditions. > Again, legislation in those states is pending; it > has not been passed." > > I seem to recall efforts in neighboring states, but > times change. > > As a published lanesplitting advocate to all others > so inclined - > let's keep plugging. > > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > '99 VN750 > Bring on the door openers and sour > grape'ers. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 09:00:09 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 05:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lanesplitting progress To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX When did you get that and have you affixed John Deere stickers to it? Glenn --- Leon Begeman wrote: > V-Strom (sometimes one needs a truck to haul stuff) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 09:13:34 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:13:21 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lanesplitting progress To: DC-Cycles >Does anyone think it might be a good idea to point out >that the existing Virginia law is not enforced >uniformly? [Dave] No. Virginia is a "law and order" state. With very few exceptions the Virginia law enforcement lobby is the most powerful at the General Assembly. The only thing they have been unable to drive home is primary seat belt enforcement. They did also fail to renew the red light camera revenue generating scheme and proliferate it to speed cameras as well. The times dispatch did an article on contributors a couple of months back and the single biggest financial contributor was the Virginia Sheriff's Association. So what does this mean? If you take the political position in opposition to the powerful police lobby in VA, 8 out of 10 times it's a loser. But, since transportation seems to be a hot button issue this year with all the delegates up for election, you may be able to generate some traction by proposing an exception to the reckless statute for "2 motorcycles, scooters, mopeds or similar vehicles riding 2 abreast in the same lane of traffic". Proposed as a "common sense transportation efficiency measure" which encourages high occupancy vehicle use and responsible fuel economy stewardship. That's just off the top... If anyone has better suggestions, let me know. I'll contact my delegate and the candidate running against her. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 09:31:26 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:31:23 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Arlington County Atorney Recommendation Requirements: - mastery of state traffic law - knowledge of local area - arlington county general practices - knowledge of local justice personages and their standard approaches to specific traffic violations Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 09:31:31 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman To: Glenn Dysart , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Paint my ride (was lane splitting) Glenn asked: > When did you get that and have you affixed John > Deere > stickers to it? I got it in February, no, it's much too fast for Deere stickers. But I do have a session in the paint booth scheduled for September. I was going to have just the chopper and trailer painted, but will consider a paint scheme for the whole rig. http://www.ninja250.org/profiles/showProfile.php?userId=58 --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > When did you get that and have you affixed John > Deere > stickers to it? > > Glenn > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > > > > V-Strom (sometimes one needs a truck to haul > stuff) > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 11:20:56 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:20:53 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Paint my ride (was lane splitting) Chopper? I was going to say it almost looks more like a hillclimb machine, with that extended rear. But with a 250 ... maybe not. :-) Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:31:19 -0700 (PDT) >Glenn asked: >> When did you get that and have you affixed John >> Deere >> stickers to it? > >I got it in February, no, it's much too fast for Deere >stickers. But I do have a session in the paint booth >scheduled for September. I was going to have just the >chopper and trailer painted, but will consider a paint >scheme for the whole rig. > >http://www.ninja250.org/profiles/showProfile.php?userId=58 > > > > > >--- Glenn Dysart wrote: > >> When did you get that and have you affixed John >> Deere >> stickers to it? >> >> Glenn >> >> --- Leon Begeman wrote: >> >> >> >> > V-Strom (sometimes one needs a truck to haul >> stuff) >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 13:01:26 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:01:10 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Arlington County Atorney Recommendation On 6/15/05, Julian Halton wrote: > Requirements: > - mastery of state traffic law > - knowledge of local area > - arlington county general practices > - knowledge of local justice personages and their standard approaches to > specific traffic violations I've tried to be good and let this float past, but I just can't take it any more... Julian, you *KNOW* you can't put something like this out there without someone jumping on it... what did The Man do to you this time? Remember, they carry guns down here, dude! ;) BTW... No where in the manual does it state that your wicked sweet flat black paint is invisible to radar. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 15 14:54:11 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray To: Brian Ray Subject: [dc-cycles] Blog Update I've gotten access to the internet, and updated my blog. http://ar-traveler.blogspot.com/ Sorry for the inpersonal post, but this seemed to be the best way to spread the message. Hope ya'll are doing well. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 08:40:39 2005 From: To: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 8:40:27 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] UGH...More Proof the World is Coming to an End http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1447 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 09:41:59 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:41:50 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Court advice I got pulled over at the toll plaza for, 70 in a temporary 35, 55 rest of the time. I have a perfect record (+5 in VA), took BRC, ERC, member of AMA, been riding for ~6 yrs. I'm going to take a driver improvement class at NVCC. I also have a security clearance, I'm hoping that will help my case, since I've heard reckless driving is a criminal charge. I've been charged w/ reckless. Trooper said I was not driving recklessly. I asked if it was up to him to give me reckless, he was very young looking, and didn't seem to understand what I was asking. I've heard of people getting tickets lowered to "failure to obey highway sign" and "improper driving". Could someone tell me which of those is the lesser infraction? Does it make sense to go for one over the other? I'm hoping for one of them, if not, then speeding at 15 over. Worst case, speeding at 35 over, just not reckless. Thanks for the advice. Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 10:01:11 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Improper Driving = 3 points Failure to Obey Hwy Sign = 3 points Speeding 20 or more over limit = 6 points from http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/webdoc/citizen/drivers/points_assess.asp Glenn --- rich hall wrote: > I got pulled over at the toll plaza for, 70 in a > temporary 35, 55 rest of > the time. > I have a perfect record (+5 in VA), took BRC, ERC, > member of AMA, been > riding for ~6 yrs. > I'm going to take a driver improvement class at > NVCC. > I also have a security clearance, I'm hoping that > will help my case, since > I've heard reckless driving is a criminal charge. > I've been charged w/ reckless. Trooper said I was > not driving recklessly. > I asked if it was up to him to give me reckless, he > was very young looking, > and didn't seem to understand what I was asking. > I've heard of people getting tickets lowered to > "failure to obey highway > sign" and "improper driving". Could someone tell me > which of those is the > lesser infraction? Does it make sense to go for one > over the other? I'm > hoping for one of them, if not, then speeding at 15 > over. Worst case, > speeding at 35 over, just not reckless. > Thanks for the advice. > Rich > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 10:15:33 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:10:56 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice Ouch. The probelm is that non riders are apalled at your speed, but they don't realize that it only takes a couple of seconds to get up there. 20 over is automatic reckless in VA, with the officer having discretion. If he marked it reckless on the ticket, well then you are hosed. Get a lawyer for sure. I went in a few years ago with a similar record and reckless (82/55 on 495) and the judge said if I hadn't had positive points, I would have lost my license on the spot. This was BEFORE they started cracking down on 'aggresive driving' and outlaw biker types. Speeding you can plead and get reduced, but w/o a lawyer, you will have a tough time with reckless. Even if the officer said you were not 'driving recklessly' and marked reckless on the ticket, the two terms aren't necessarily the same. The verb and the charge are not aligned properly in our fine state. Today was a beautiful ride in, but by God I thought I would die in traffic Tuesday. I must have lost 5 lbs. My new commute sucks down 28. No more rolling hills and unfrequented back roads in Clifton. Bumper to bumper and lane splitting jammed intersection corners. Like riding in DC again. rich hall wrote: > I've heard of people getting tickets lowered to "failure to obey > highway sign" and "improper driving". Could someone tell me which of > those is the lesser infraction? Does it make sense to go for one over > the other? I'm hoping for one of them, if not, then speeding at 15 > over. Worst case, speeding at 35 over, just not reckless. > Thanks for the advice. > Rich > > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 11:10:32 2005 From: "d b" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:10:23 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Help for a digester... Hello all, I think this could possibly be the first time I've actually posted to the list, even though I've been subscribed off and on for ~ 8 yrs.. (Man, am I getting that old?) So, thanks to all who posted the great newbie tips back then, they've helped me survive ~40,000 miles of enjoyable riding... Now, the bad part. On a return trip from chincoteague(sp) this weekend I decided to end the life of a 4" x 4" block of wood trying to cross the road somewhere between salisbury and pokomoke. Luckily I didn't crash and the tire didn't blow, unluckily, the rim is dented and now leaks air, needing refilled every 20 miles. Sure made for along trip back home!! I've found a few online places that do straightening but would love to be able to drop it off at a local shop, any suggestions? Thanks again for all the great info/laughs... (Please feel free to send directly to me as I'm digest impaired. d_biser at hotmail.com) Thanks again! Donnie 01 X1 95 rf600 90 cr250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 11:28:31 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Help for a digester... To: d b , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX A little drive but not too bad. Ye Olde Wheel Shop 6363 Washington Blvd. Elkridge, MD 21075 (800) 526-8260, (410) 796-8400 --- d b wrote: > I've found a few online places that do straightening > but would love to be > able to drop it off at a local shop, any > suggestions? __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 11:32:03 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help for a digester... Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:32:53 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "d b" , I've found a few online places that do straightening but would love to be able to drop it off at a local shop, any suggestions? Donnie: Glad to hear you're OK after your lumber encounter. I too, have unsuccessfully attempted to combine a high speed motorcycle wheel with an immovable object, twice. Both times I mashed the CBR's front rim and had to take it to a local shop. Both times they were unable to complete the job and ended up recommending www.mcwheel.com. The first time I had the wheel repaired and he did a great job, the second time I bought a new rim instead. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 15:55:19 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help for a digester... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I can't help as to a local source, but you might ask at Speedwerks (Dover, DE), CAD Cycles (Gaithersburg, MD), or Fastlane (I-66/RT28). But for mail order, Frame Straight Systems in Michigan is da' bomb! They've fixed 2 of my rims and you'd never know there was a problem with them. VERY reasonable costs too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 16:46:33 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] UGH...More Proof the World is Coming to an End Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:45:48 -0400 On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 8:40:27 -0400, adamme1 wrote > http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1447 Are you refering to the actual story or the string of retarded comments below the story? :-D Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 17:58:27 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:58:19 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: mike@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice Mike Troutman wrote: > Ouch. The probelm is that non riders are apalled at your speed, but > they don't realize that it only takes a couple of seconds to get up > there. 20 over is automatic reckless in VA, with the officer having > discretion. If he marked it reckless on the ticket, well then you are > hosed. Get a lawyer for sure. I went in a few years ago with a > similar record and reckless (82/55 on 495) and the judge said if I > hadn't had positive points, I would have lost my license on the spot. How does one get positive points on a license? Just curious. Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 18:56:40 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:56:32 -0400 From: skip To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice don't get a ticket for a year, and you get 1 (one) point. --skip, been so far in the red Dale Horstman wrote: > > Mike Troutman wrote: > > > Ouch. The probelm is that non riders are apalled at your speed, but > > they don't realize that it only takes a couple of seconds to get up > > there. 20 over is automatic reckless in VA, with the officer having > > discretion. If he marked it reckless on the ticket, well then you are > > hosed. Get a lawyer for sure. I went in a few years ago with a > > similar record and reckless (82/55 on 495) and the judge said if I > > hadn't had positive points, I would have lost my license on the spot. > > How does one get positive points on a license? Just curious. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 19:15:57 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:15:27 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter07.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Summer is here I know that because today I removed the wiring harness for the Gerbing gloves and socks!!! Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 19:51:51 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:51:43 -0400 Driver Improvement classes get you 5 positive points as well. >From: skip >To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:56:32 -0400 > >don't get a ticket for a year, and you get 1 (one) point. > > >--skip, been so far in the red > >Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > Mike Troutman wrote: > > > > > Ouch. The probelm is that non riders are apalled at your speed, but > > > they don't realize that it only takes a couple of seconds to get up > > > there. 20 over is automatic reckless in VA, with the officer having > > > discretion. If he marked it reckless on the ticket, well then you are > > > hosed. Get a lawyer for sure. I went in a few years ago with a > > > similar record and reckless (82/55 on 495) and the judge said if I > > > hadn't had positive points, I would have lost my license on the spot. > > > > How does one get positive points on a license? Just curious. > > > > Horkster > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 19:52:25 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:52:17 -0400 You can only get 5 positive points. No limit on negative. >From: skip >To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Court advice >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:56:32 -0400 > >don't get a ticket for a year, and you get 1 (one) point. > > >--skip, been so far in the red > >Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > Mike Troutman wrote: > > > > > Ouch. The probelm is that non riders are apalled at your speed, but > > > they don't realize that it only takes a couple of seconds to get up > > > there. 20 over is automatic reckless in VA, with the officer having > > > discretion. If he marked it reckless on the ticket, well then you are > > > hosed. Get a lawyer for sure. I went in a few years ago with a > > > similar record and reckless (82/55 on 495) and the judge said if I > > > hadn't had positive points, I would have lost my license on the spot. > > > > How does one get positive points on a license? Just curious. > > > > Horkster > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 19:57:06 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:57:04 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] 211 Who's the idiot that had the bright idea to put runble strips across the entrance to the uphill curves and paint the word "SLOW" in big letters with accompanying arrows on the pavement? Eaast side only, so far. It's going to be dangerous as hell in the rain. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 20:02:19 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:02:11 -0400 From: skip To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 I ran 211 this past weekend, in the torrential downpours and had --zero-- issue with the rumble strips. I wasn't riding at 9/10ths, though. --skip Michael Jordan wrote: > > Who's the idiot that had the bright idea to put runble strips across > the entrance to the uphill curves and paint the word "SLOW" in big > letters with accompanying arrows on the pavement? > > Eaast side only, so far. > > It's going to be dangerous as hell in the rain. > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 16 21:32:32 2005 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Red KLR on list? Red KLR blasting Westbound through traffic on I-66 from Rosslyn, Thursday, 6/15/05 8:30 p.m. I was on the Orange KTM 625 Supermoto, fun ride. You on list? -Corbett -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 17 07:12:48 2005 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 04:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Been a while since you've been up there huh? They were put in last spring by VDOT due to the number of motorcycle deaths on 211 in the last few years. Glenn --- Michael Jordan wrote: > Who's the idiot that had the bright idea to put > runble strips across > the entrance to the uphill curves and paint the word > "SLOW" in big > letters with accompanying arrows on the pavement? > > Eaast side only, so far. > > It's going to be dangerous as hell in the rain. > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 17 07:15:53 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:15:45 -0400 Those have been there a while. Rumor is they're moving the guardrails back a couple of feet this week. I was there last Sat as well. >From: skip >To: Michael Jordan >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:02:11 -0400 > >I ran 211 this past weekend, in the torrential downpours and had >--zero-- issue with the rumble strips. I wasn't riding at 9/10ths, >though. > >--skip > >Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > Who's the idiot that had the bright idea to put runble strips across > > the entrance to the uphill curves and paint the word "SLOW" in big > > letters with accompanying arrows on the pavement? > > > > Eaast side only, so far. > > > > It's going to be dangerous as hell in the rain. > > -- > > Michael J. > > '86 SRX-6 > > '93 GSX1100G > > '03 DL1000 > > AMA > > IBA #3901 > > USAF (Ret) > > NRA > > etc. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 17 10:20:03 2005 From: "d b" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:19:54 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Wheel Straightening.. Thanks for all of the great suggestions guys! Looks like I'll be making a trip to Elkridge to see if they can repair it.. Thanks again! Donnie 01 X1 95 rf600 90 cr250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 17 13:54:56 2005 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:54:52 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 > Those have been there a while. Rumor is they're moving the guardrails back > a couple of feet this week. I was there last Sat as well. They were definitely messing with the guardrails - had a pilot truck shepherding one way traffic. I'm down at Deal's Gap again right now (free wifi in the snack bar!!) and just saw the results of overconfidence. Yet another nice road that squids may ruin. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 18 19:14:49 2005 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:14:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 211 Michael Jordan wrote: >I'm down at Deal's Gap again right now > Can you feel the envy? I gotta get my Connie fixed soon.... :) -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 08:25:28 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:25:23 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle Anyone up for a road trip: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/06/17/motorcycle.art.ap/inde x.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 09:25:33 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:24:53 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle To: julian@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Seen it when it was in Vegas. Very cool. Have the hardcover book. Slightly chewed on thanks to the dog. :-( Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle Anyone up for a road trip: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/06/17/motorcycle.art.ap/inde x.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 09:53:24 2005 From: "rich hall" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:53:16 -0400 I also saw it in Vegas. Very nice. Highly reccomend. NYC had lines around the block when it was up there. >From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX >To: julian@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:24:53 -0400 > >Seen it when it was in Vegas. Very cool. Have the hardcover book. >Slightly chewed on thanks to the dog. :-( > >Scooter > >-----Original Message----- >From: Julian Halton >To: DC-Cycles >Sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:25:23 -0400 >Subject: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle > > > >Anyone up for a road trip: >http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/06/17/motorcycle.art.ap/inde >x.html > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 09:57:16 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:57:06 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] is there a FAQ? Because I want to lookup the age old question of where to get a bike inspected in VA (preferably near arlington) where some old guy just looks at the bike toots the horn and sends you on your merry way.. or some such. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 10:28:16 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:28:10 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle On 6/20/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > Anyone up for a road trip: And on the way back, swing through Birminghan to visit the Barber for a bit more sensory overload, and from there through the Cherohala Skyway and Deal's Gap* to Maggie Valley, NC to see the Wheels Through Time museum. Finish it up with a leisurely ride back up the BRP and home again. When do we leave? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. * Technically, Deal's Gap is a side trip, but only 10 miles or so off course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 11:39:06 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan , DC-Cycles did we miss the "michael jordan retires" memo? --- Michael Jordan wrote: > On 6/20/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > Anyone up for a road trip: > > And on the way back, swing through Birminghan to visit > the Barber for > a bit more sensory overload, and from there through the > Cherohala > Skyway and Deal's Gap* to Maggie Valley, NC to see the > Wheels Through > Time museum. > > Finish it up with a leisurely ride back up the BRP and > home again. > > When do we leave? > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > * Technically, Deal's Gap is a side trip, but only 10 > miles or so off course. > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 12:46:19 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:46:16 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle Cc: DC-Cycles On 6/20/05, Tom Gimer wrote: > did we miss the "michael jordan retires" memo? Long weekend plus a day Day 1 - DC to Memphis - superslab - not pretty or fun, but efficient. Day 2 - See the show - split early afternoon for B/Ham Day 3 - Barber, Cherohala & Deal's Gap Day 4 - Wheels Through TIme and BRP home Easy -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 18:50:17 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:50:14 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: LDRider , DC-Cycles , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Speed Limits Enforced by Aircraft How? Rockets, missiles or cannon? Or do they land in front of you blocking the road off? I suspect that infractions are merely observed by aircraft (or, more precicely) the people within them) and enforced by ossifers on the ground. Thanks for the bandwidth. I've been wanting to mildly rant about imprecision in highway signage for a number of years now. "Speed Zone Ahead" is another one - they usually actually want you to slow down, not speed up. Where's a good English Teacher when you need one? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 19:22:53 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speed Limits Enforced by Aircraft To: Michael Jordan , DC-Cycles , gsx1100g@XXXXXX --- Michael Jordan wrote: > I suspect that infractions are merely observed by aircraft (or, more > precicely) the people within them) and enforced by ossifers on the > ground. Usually. Although the missiles would make it much more interesting, especially with a target as small as a bike. > "Speed Zone Ahead" is another one - they usually actually want you to > slow down, not speed up. George Carlin's always looking for new material... 8;) > Where's a good English Teacher when you need one? ...working his second job at a fast food joint to support his family, I imagine. -- Larry __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 19:53:34 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:53:25 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , LDRider , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Spammish - Boots for sale Just picked up a pair of Oxtar Matrix boots from motorcyclecloseouts.com. Short story, they don't fit my chubby calves (more like full-grown heifers). Before I go through the hoo-raw with them (they have a no refund policy) looking for a likely exchange item, I'll put them out here looking for a reasonable offer - I paid $148 + shipping. Thanks for the bandwidth. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 20:05:21 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: motorpsychol@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: is there a FAQ? Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:57:06 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] is there a FAQ? Because I want to lookup the age old question of where to get a bike inspected in VA (preferably near arlington) where some old guy just looks at the bike toots the horn and sends you on your merry way.. or some such. ============= Why not go to Dennis at Crossroads? He's not an old guy (compared to me :) but the inspection will take a 2-3 minutes. $5.00 and you're on your way. They're open from 10-6, Tue-Sat. Call first to make sure D is there though - 7/ 820-3711. John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 21:03:17 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Re: is there a FAQ? Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:03:05 -0400 Tell Dennis I'm still waiting for him to call me back from last Tuesday to tell me if he has an M1 front for my SV and how much it is. Then tell him neverfuggin mind, I went to a shop that could do it this past Sat. >From: John Kozyn >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >CC: motorpsychol@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: is there a FAQ? >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:05:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:57:06 -0400 >From: Danny Motorcycle >To: DC Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] is there a FAQ? > >Because I want to lookup the age old question of where >to get a bike inspected in VA (preferably near arlington) >where some old guy just looks at the bike toots the >horn and sends you on your merry way.. or some such. > >============= > >Why not go to Dennis at Crossroads? He's not an old guy (compared to me >:) but the inspection will take a 2-3 minutes. $5.00 and you're on your >way. They're open from 10-6, Tue-Sat. Call first to make sure D is >there though - 7/ 820-3711. > > > >John C. Kozyn >1999 900SS >1995 VFR750F > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Sports >Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 21:07:57 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:07:42 -0400 From: skip To: Michael Jordan CC: DC-Cycles , LDRider , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Spammish - Boots for sale size? Michael Jordan wrote: > > Just picked up a pair of Oxtar Matrix boots from > motorcyclecloseouts.com. Short story, they don't fit my chubby calves > (more like full-grown heifers). > > Before I go through the hoo-raw with them (they have a no refund > policy) looking for a likely exchange item, I'll put them out here > looking for a reasonable offer - I paid $148 + shipping. > > Thanks for the bandwidth. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 21:14:59 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:14:46 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 I'm riding through 7-Corners. At the first light, a guy gets closer than I like, I look back at him. Give him the, don't do that stare. We move up to the next light of the seven corners. I'm sitting there. Same guy is behind me. I feel a bump. I'm like what the heck. Turn around, jack-holes got his bumper on my tire. I yell, "back the f up", he looks at me like, I'm the crazy one. He backs up 3"s. Sits there. I yell, "get the f outa the car". He walks up, I've taken off my gloves, helmet, killed the bike, put down the stand. I'm trying to see what he's done. He gets up there, I'm like, back the car up. Dingleberry moves it back another 3"s. I'm fed up w/ this piece of dook. Don't feel like yelling back up again. Guy just seemed mentally challenged. I don't see any damage. He had to of been driving an auto and taken his foot off the brake or something. I walk up to him, tell him I want some info. Turns out he's in his mom's car. Can't find a pen. Gives me a check. Says he doesn't want to hold up traffic. Shoulda thought about that before you hit my bike w/ your mom's car. Tells me his sick. That he's recently had a stroke. I suggested he shouldn't be driving. Turd. Watch out for older dark green beat up Subaru wagons driven by a stupid looking glasses wearing ~50 year guy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 21:25:59 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:25:45 -0400 From: skip To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 wow alls I've got to say is "strong work" rich hall wrote: > > I'm riding through 7-Corners. At the first light, a guy gets closer than I > like, I look back at him. Give him the, don't do that stare. We move up to > the next light of the seven corners. I'm sitting there. Same guy is behind > me. I feel a bump. I'm like what the heck. Turn around, jack-holes got > his bumper on my tire. I yell, "back the f up", he looks at me like, I'm > the crazy one. He backs up 3"s. Sits there. I yell, "get the f outa the > car". He walks up, I've taken off my gloves, helmet, killed the bike, put > down the stand. I'm trying to see what he's done. He gets up there, I'm > like, back the car up. Dingleberry moves it back another 3"s. I'm fed up > w/ this piece of dook. Don't feel like yelling back up again. Guy just > seemed mentally challenged. I don't see any damage. He had to of been > driving an auto and taken his foot off the brake or something. I walk up to > him, tell him I want some info. Turns out he's in his mom's car. Can't > find a pen. Gives me a check. Says he doesn't want to hold up traffic. > Shoulda thought about that before you hit my bike w/ your mom's car. Tells > me his sick. That he's recently had a stroke. I suggested he shouldn't be > driving. Turd. > Watch out for older dark green beat up Subaru wagons driven by a stupid > looking glasses wearing ~50 year guy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 22:18:23 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:18:06 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Keyblanks; Good press for Biker ladies Alarm! Does anyone know of a shop that may have every keyblank in the universe? Have run into major problems trying to dup a cable lock key. They mutter something about too many channels, European, etc. Help appreciated: Will travel an hour or so from DC. Offlist if you wish. And -- a solid 2/3 page rundown on fairsex riding. Nice vignettes. The Biker Next Door: She's No Punk Rebel http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/business/yourmoney/19bike.html? [Include the ending questionmark: May require registration] Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Keep drawing blanks in your key search, eh? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 23:00:18 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:59:04 -0400 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 At 09:14 PM 6/20/05 -0400, rich hall wrote: >Watch out for older dark green beat up Subaru wagons driven by a stupid >looking glasses wearing ~50 year guy. Other than how hard you got hit, that's amazingly close to the description of my accident from April 5th...I wonder if there's some sort of underground anti-bike movement among older sick guys/mental deficients? I'm all healed up, and the bike is restored to prior condition. A little more dealing left with the insurance company, but at the moment I'm only down about $58 total, and I don't expect that to be the case when it's all settled. USAA has been very good about paying things as they've been notified of the amounts...had a check in my hand for the initial estimated damage 5 days after the estimate was done. They initially covered it under my comprehensive coverage so they could get me the money to start the repairs while they were still investigating to determine fault. Once they determined it was the other guy's fault, they transferred the cost to his liability coverage and sent me my deductible too. I've heard of other insurance companies paying nothing until fault was determined, which delays repairs if you can't cover the cost yourself. If you can get USAA (not everyone is eligible), they are certainly worth considering. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 20 23:23:35 2005 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:23:20 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 "Mike B." wrote: > If you can get USAA (not > everyone is eligible), they are certainly worth considering. what he meant to say is, "since military service is not cumpulsory, and USAA is only available to the individuals who served and thier immediate families, you may not be eligible." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 07:46:16 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 7:46:02 -0400 > > From: skip > Date: 2005/06/20 Mon PM 11:23:20 EDT > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 > > > > "Mike B." wrote: > > If you can get USAA (not > > everyone is eligible), they are certainly worth considering. > > what he meant to say is, "since military service is not cumpulsory, and > USAA is only available to the individuals who served and thier immediate > families, you may not be eligible." > > ...actually, it's even more restrictive than that. I served for 15 years and because I didn't join before I got out, I can't join now. However, I'm not sure they're any better than the Allstate policy I have now and I've been with Allstate (and the same agent btw) for over 20 years. (All except my bike which I insured with Dairyland since they're rates/reputation was one of the best for bikes). -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 07:48:38 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:48:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , LDRider , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Spammish - Boots for sale Apologies - they are a European size 44 - US 10.5~11ish My calf measures about 18" around - most boots over ankle height do not fit me. I was being optimistic :-( -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 07:52:05 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 To: skip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- skip wrote: > "Mike B." wrote: > > If you can get USAA (not > > everyone is eligible), they are certainly worth considering. > > what he meant to say is, "since military service is not cumpulsory, and > USAA is only available to the individuals who served and thier immediate > families, you may not be eligible." Sort of, but with USAA now allowing ex-spouses and children of members to keep coverage after the "immediate family" bit becomes void, along with graduates of pseudo-military schools like the Citadel who have never served, the umbrella has broadened quite a bit. -- Larry (shades of GEICO, to my disgust...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 07:53:43 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:53:39 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 > what he meant to say is, "since military service is not cumpulsory, and > USAA is only available to the individuals who served and thier immediate > families, you may not be eligible." If you were an Officer. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 07:57:01 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 7:56:55 -0400 > (All except my bike which I insured with Dairyland since they're rates/reputation was one of the best for bikes). ^^^^^^^ argh! they're = their (a pet peeve that I just did unto thyself) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 08:22:56 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: is there a FAQ? To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: motorpsychol@XXXXXX or you could go to King's Exxon right before the on ramp to 395 on Rt 7 and Hampton Rd. about 2-3 Blocks from NOVACC Alexandria. --- John Kozyn wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:57:06 -0400 > From: Danny Motorcycle > To: DC Cycles > Subject: [dc-cycles] is there a FAQ? > > Because I want to lookup the age old question of > where > to get a bike inspected in VA (preferably near > arlington) > where some old guy just looks at the bike toots the > horn and sends you on your merry way.. or some such. > > ============= > > Why not go to Dennis at Crossroads? He's not an old > guy (compared to me > :) but the inspection will take a 2-3 minutes. $5.00 > and you're on your > way. They're open from 10-6, Tue-Sat. Call first to > make sure D is > there though - 7/ 820-3711. > > > > John C. Kozyn > 1999 900SS > 1995 VFR750F > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 09:53:24 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'adamme1@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:52:59 -0400 Actually USAA doesn't do any MC policies anymore unless you already have a bike under a policy with them they will not do a new MC policy. In other words if I get another bike I have to go somewhere else to get another policy. Art -----Original Message----- From: adamme1@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 > (All except my bike which I insured with Dairyland since they're rates/reputation was one of the best for bikes). ^^^^^^^ argh! they're = their (a pet peeve that I just did unto thyself) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 09:56:33 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:56:17 +0000 Subject: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous http://tinyurl.com/analk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 10:10:11 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:09:55 -0400 This study involved 100 cars? How many drivers? 100? more? And how did they choose the participants? Doesn't that sound like too few for a meaningful sample? Yeah, I think talking on the cell while driving is a bad idea, but I don't think we're doing our 'cause' any good by publishing what could be considered 'bogus' studies. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous http://tinyurl.com/analk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 10:13:31 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:13:15 -0400 From: skip CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous A guy at my offics is part of this study. I'll go ask him if he has any more info about it. --skip "LindaT." wrote: > > This study involved 100 cars? How many drivers? 100? more? And how did they choose the participants? Doesn't that sound like too few for a meaningful sample? > > Yeah, I think talking on the cell while driving is a bad idea, but I don't think we're doing our 'cause' any good by publishing what could be considered 'bogus' studies. > > LindaT. > www.CustomTankBags.com > Hollywood, FL > IBA,BMWBMW,AMA > '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy > '95 F3 Purple Haze > '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:56 AM > To: DCCycles > Subject: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous > > http://tinyurl.com/analk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 10:37:01 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "Dc-Cycles" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:36:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] more proof that cell yakking & drving is dangerous "LindaT." wrote: > > This study involved 100 cars? How many drivers? 100? more? And how did >they choose the participants? Doesn't that sound like too few for a >meaningful sample? [Dave] Everyone sees different things from the same data. To the people who practice it, talking on a cell phone while driving "they are just as good a driver as when they're not talking" possibly due to their "enhanced driving attentiveness and skill". :-/ If you don't want the study to have any sort of meaning, then to you, it won't. Likewise, if the study aligns with views you already hold, it simply reaffirms what you already believe. "8,295 incidents that required an evasive maneuver" out of 43000 hours of drive time. If you don't want the numbers to be sufficient for a 'meaningful sample' then you are free to not accept them as valid. I would counter with just how many would be - 1000 cars, or 10000 cars, or 100,000 cars or no amount of cars would be sufficient. Now, that doesn't mean I'm closed to the idea that the study may be wrong. Would someone care to point me to a study which indicates that driving while talking on the cell phone actually is beneficial, makes a better, safer driver and results in less collisions, near collisions and evasive maneuvers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 12:12:25 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:09:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 At 09:52 AM 6/21/05 -0400, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >Actually USAA doesn't do any MC policies anymore unless you already have a >bike under a policy with them they will not do a new MC policy. In other >words if I get another bike I have to go somewhere else to get another >policy. When did that start? I added my bike to my policy in September of '03. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 12:23:34 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:23:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Keyblanks; Good press for Biker ladies To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Have you tried Allied Lock and Safe, up the street from Coleman Posersports? They have been able to do just about anything I've needed. Glenn --- "W.S." wrote: > Alarm! Does anyone know of a shop that may have > every keyblank in the > universe? Have run into major problems trying to > dup a cable lock key. > They mutter something about too many channels, > European, etc. Help > appreciated: Will travel an hour or so from DC. > Offlist if you wish. > > > And -- a solid 2/3 page rundown on fairsex riding. > Nice vignettes. > > The Biker Next Door: She's No Punk Rebel > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/business/yourmoney/19bike.html? > [Include > the ending questionmark: May require registration] > > > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > '99 VN750 > Keep drawing blanks in your key search, > eh? > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 13:14:53 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Keyblanks; Good press for Biker ladies To: Glenn Dysart , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX It's probably a little out of the way, but you could try this place if you can't find anyone else: LIBERTY LOCK & SECURITY INCORPORATED 1205 TAFT STREET, ROCKVILLE, MD 20850 Phone: (301) 424-5625 I use them all the time for car stuff - the dealer where I work has an account there. Hope this helps. Nick --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Have you tried Allied Lock and Safe, up the street > from Coleman Posersports? They have been able to do > just about anything I've needed. > > Glenn > > --- "W.S." wrote: > > > Alarm! Does anyone know of a shop that may have > > every keyblank in the > > universe? Have run into major problems trying to > > dup a cable lock key. > > They mutter something about too many channels, > > European, etc. Help > > appreciated: Will travel an hour or so from DC. > > Offlist if you wish. > > > > > > And -- a solid 2/3 page rundown on fairsex riding. > > > Nice vignettes. > > > > The Biker Next Door: She's No Punk Rebel > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/business/yourmoney/19bike.html? > > [Include > > the ending questionmark: May require > registration] > > > > > > > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > > '99 VN750 > Keep drawing blanks in your key > search, > > eh? > > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 16:02:30 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Watch your 6 To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jordan wrote: > If you were an Officer. USAA opened up to enlisted personnel about ten years ago. -- Larry ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 19:08:22 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:08:11 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Prosecutor Has anyone talked to a prosecutor themselves, w/o a lawyer before traffic court? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 19:27:02 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:27:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Nearing home tonight I had a guy pull out in front of me on a big cruiser. Wearing the typical suburban shorts, t-shirt and helmet. In front of him on the tank was his ~4 year old in the same outfit. Personally, what you wear riding doesn't affect me. But I don't think it is right to let a kid that young ride without protective gear. He looked too young to be a passenger anyway. If you can't trust them to hang on behind you, they aren't old enough to ride (IMHO). My morning commute was preempted with a flat rear tire and an empty tank of gas. I filled the rear and rode in. It seems to be holding, but I am sure to find a nail tonight. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 19:40:01 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:39:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection At 07:27 PM 6/21/2005, you wrote: >Nearing home tonight I had a guy pull out in front of me on a big >cruiser. Wearing the typical suburban shorts, t-shirt and helmet. In front >of him on the tank was his ~4 year old in the same outfit. Personally, what >you wear riding doesn't affect me. But I don't think it is right to let a kid >that young ride without protective gear. He looked too young to be a >passenger anyway. If you can't trust them to hang on behind you, they aren't >old enough to ride (IMHO). > >My morning commute was preempted with a flat rear tire and an empty tank of >gas. I filled the rear and rode in. It seems to be holding, but I am sure to >find a nail tonight. eery once in a while I see a guy in our neighborhood ride by on an old UJM, no helmet, t-shirt and sneakers. Sitting in front of him is a young boy, probably 5 or 6 years old. Also sans helmet. I've tried following him to where ever he's going but never have caught up with him. I'm sure they're only riding around the neighborhood but there's several turnoffs to different cul-de-sacs so I don' t know where exactly he goes. Jeezus gawd almighty, does he have *any* idea what could happen if he lost control and dumped the bike. It's one thing to risk his own damn life, but to take a small child into that environment is downright irresponsible and unforgivable. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 20:32:05 2005 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,219,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="1067996207:sNHT19003192" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: , "DC Cycles" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:31:57 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Good press for Biker ladies, NY Times How refreshing!!! The woman in the picture is not grossly overweight, clothed in fringe and tassles, nor sitting on a Harley!!! Someday the press might even be so bold as to show a woman on a sportbike!!!! Lisa Goddard rom: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:18:06 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Keyblanks; Good press for Biker ladies Alarm! Does anyone know of a shop that may have every keyblank in the universe? Have run into major problems trying to dup a cable lock key. They mutter something about too many channels, European, etc. Help appreciated: Will travel an hour or so from DC. Offlist if you wish. And -- a solid 2/3 page rundown on fairsex riding. Nice vignettes. The Biker Next Door: She's No Punk Rebel http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/business/yourmoney/19bike.html? [Include the ending questionmark: May require registration] Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Keep drawing blanks in your key search, eh? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 22:54:55 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:54:45 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Prosecutor On 6/21/05, rich hall wrote: > Has anyone talked to a prosecutor themselves, w/o a lawyer before traffic > court? Before court without a lawyer? No. During court without a lawyer? Yes. If'n I'm not mistaken, you're entitled to a "public defender" or whatever they call them these days if you don't have your own lawyer. I'd probably talk to the PD first, then have them talk to the prosecutor or accompany you while you talk to them. Just because you're not paying for them directly doesn't mean they don't work for you. I'd have no clue how to go about finding out who the PD was though. Of course, I could be confusing things... it's a been a long time since I've had to go to court (but it was quite a nasty set of violations). --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 21 23:02:24 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:02:16 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection On 6/21/05, Troutman wrote: > Nearing home tonight I had a guy pull out in front of me on a big > cruiser. Wearing the typical suburban shorts, t-shirt and helmet. In > front of him on the tank was his ~4 year old in the same > outfit. Personally, what you wear riding doesn't affect me. But I don't > think it is right to let a kid that young ride without protective gear. He > looked too young to be a passenger anyway. If you can't trust them to hang > on behind you, they aren't old enough to ride (IMHO). Agreed, and I'm sure there's laws against it, but I have no idea what they actually are. Whenever friends want to a "novelty" ride, it normally means that thier kids will be getting a short one afterwards. I have two rules for kids... must have helmet and must be able to reach rear footpegs. If they don't meet those two conditions, they don't get a ride - not even around the block. If that's enough of an issue for a parent to get snitty, then they're no longer considered a friend. > My morning commute was preempted with a flat rear tire and an empty tank of > gas. I filled the rear and rode in. It seems to be holding, but I am sure > to find a nail tonight. I learned that lesson a couple months ago in the middle of effing no where!. Cost me a perfectly good rear tire because I ended up having to ride 30 miles on it while flat. Fun, fun. I now carry a plug kit at all times and will shortly be adding a very small compressor to the "kit". Just make sure you find whatever punched your tire. If it went IN the tire and is rolling around in there, you'll have to get it out. It's rare, but it happens. Good luck! --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 00:05:44 2005 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Next Tuesday Summer Solstice Happy Hour Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:10:13 -0400 It was nice meeting you all, we should do this kind of thing more often! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Stafford" To: "dc-cycles Mailing List" Subject: [dc-cycles] Next Tuesday Summer Solstice Happy Hour > *PLEASE NOTE THE TIME* This is a dinner time event. > > * SUMMER SOLSTICE * SUMMER SOLSTICE * SUMMER SOLSTICE * > > Extra, extra, extra sunlight! > > Scooter and motorcyclist Happy Hour Tuesday June 21 6-8pm at Asylum on the > corner of 18th and Columbia in Adams Morgan. Aslyum has cheap eats and > drinks during happy hour and cycle parking with security cameras and > everything, right in front of the bar. > > Come on out, talk bikes until your throat bleeds, and enjoy the longest > day > of the year. > > All owners of two-wheeled vehicles, running bike or not, and NEW OWNERS > are > WELCOME. > > Assuming no rain or thunderstorms, at 8pm we will take a ride up along the > entire Rock Creek Parkway and back down to the monuments before the sun > sets. Please don't be late, the fun of this ride is being able to run the > length of the parkway while there's still light. > > Enjoy, > John M. Stafford > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 00:55:47 2005 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:55:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] USAA doesn't do MC policies? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yea, I'm not sure if that's accurate either, I've got two bikes on a USAA policy - and the last one was added July 2004 without a hitch. Of course, I've had them since probably 1979 when I was an military dependent in High School, and I've maintained a policy with them as a civilian though I don't know if I'm "grandfathered" in somehow. --- "Mike B." wrote: > At 09:52 AM 6/21/05 -0400, Silver, Arthur > (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > >Actually USAA doesn't do any MC policies anymore > unless you already have a > >bike under a policy with them they will not do a > new MC policy. In other > >words if I get another bike I have to go somewhere > else to get another > >policy. > > When did that start? I added my bike to my policy > in September of '03. > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 07:53:56 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Corbett B'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] USAA doesn't do MC policies? Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:53:46 -0400 My brother-n-law just got a new bike and had a bike on USAA and they said they are out of the MC insurance business. Art Silver -----Original Message----- From: Corbett B [mailto:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] USAA doesn't do MC policies? Yea, I'm not sure if that's accurate either, I've got two bikes on a USAA policy - and the last one was added July 2004 without a hitch. Of course, I've had them since probably 1979 when I was an military dependent in High School, and I've maintained a policy with them as a civilian though I don't know if I'm "grandfathered" in somehow. --- "Mike B." wrote: > At 09:52 AM 6/21/05 -0400, Silver, Arthur > (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > >Actually USAA doesn't do any MC policies anymore > unless you already have a > >bike under a policy with them they will not do a > new MC policy. In other > >words if I get another bike I have to go somewhere > else to get another > >policy. > > When did that start? I added my bike to my policy > in September of '03. > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 08:04:10 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:04:05 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Good press for Biker ladies, NY Times Cc: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC Cycles > How refreshing!!! The woman in the picture is not grossly overweight, > clothed in fringe and tassles, nor sitting on a Harley!!! No fringe or tassles! I'm mortified! Thought of you and Jay as I passed Boone southbound on Thursday and again on Sunday while northbound. How are negotiations coming? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 08:04:40 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:04:29 -0400 It's a shame you don't need a license and IQ test to be a parent. I would never put my children on a MC. I don't even ride passengers much less my kids. Anyway why does it seem mandatory if you ride a cruiser most of the folks I see don't wear gear? Art Silver NIH/NIGMS/ASB 45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 Bethesda, MD 20892 301-594-1747 -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Nearing home tonight I had a guy pull out in front of me on a big cruiser. Wearing the typical suburban shorts, t-shirt and helmet. In front of him on the tank was his ~4 year old in the same outfit. Personally, what you wear riding doesn't affect me. But I don't think it is right to let a kid that young ride without protective gear. He looked too young to be a passenger anyway. If you can't trust them to hang on behind you, they aren't old enough to ride (IMHO). My morning commute was preempted with a flat rear tire and an empty tank of gas. I filled the rear and rode in. It seems to be holding, but I am sure to find a nail tonight. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 08:30:53 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 8:30:41 -0400 > > From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" > Date: 2005/06/22 Wed AM 08:04:29 EDT > To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] young rider protection > > It's a shame you don't need a license and IQ test to be a parent. I would > never put my children on a MC. I don't even ride passengers much less my > kids. Anyway why does it seem mandatory if you ride a cruiser most of the > folks I see don't wear gear? ...probably for the same reason I see crotch rocket riders wearing shorts, t-shirts and sneakers without socks doing wheelies in traffic...because there's always a segment out there that are just plain stump stupid. -aki > > Art Silver > NIH/NIGMS/ASB > 45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 > Bethesda, MD 20892 > 301-594-1747 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 09:41:08 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:40:58 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Troutman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is what makes the world go round... where smart people can take advantage of the stupid.. because some people are f'in idiots. "Hi.. how would you like to own a lot of stuff, anything you want at only 30% financing!" "sure I'll take one of everything" "Hi we're from the gov't.. we're going to tax the money you earn, then tax it again when you go to spend it. On top of that, we're going to make you pay fees and fines too! woohoo" dammit now i'm like second hand angry LOL On 6/21/05, Troutman wrote: > Nearing home tonight I had a guy pull out in front of me on a big > cruiser. Wearing the typical suburban shorts, t-shirt and helmet. In > front of him on the tank was his ~4 year old in the same > outfit. Personally, what you wear riding doesn't affect me. But I don't > think it is right to let a kid that young ride without protective gear. He > looked too young to be a passenger anyway. If you can't trust them to hang > on behind you, they aren't old enough to ride (IMHO). > > My morning commute was preempted with a flat rear tire and an empty tank of > gas. I filled the rear and rode in. It seems to be holding, but I am sure > to find a nail tonight. > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ > NMA - http://www.motorists.org > > "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." > - Jimmy Buffett > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 09:48:39 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:48:19 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection when I see someone go by in shorts, t-shirt, sandals I wave (cause he's a brother) and think, "idiot". things like road rash are "one trial learning" --skip, learned that lesson from others. Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > This is what makes the world go round... where smart people can take > advantage of the stupid.. because some people are f'in idiots. > > "Hi.. how would you like to own a lot of stuff, anything you want at > only 30% financing!" "sure I'll take one of everything" > > "Hi we're from the gov't.. we're going to tax the money you earn, then > tax it again > when you go to spend it. On top of that, we're going to make you pay fees and > fines too! woohoo" > > dammit now i'm like second hand angry LOL > > On 6/21/05, Troutman wrote: > > Nearing home tonight I had a guy pull out in front of me on a big > > cruiser. Wearing the typical suburban shorts, t-shirt and helmet. In > > front of him on the tank was his ~4 year old in the same > > outfit. Personally, what you wear riding doesn't affect me. But I don't > > think it is right to let a kid that young ride without protective gear. He > > looked too young to be a passenger anyway. If you can't trust them to hang > > on behind you, they aren't old enough to ride (IMHO). > > > > My morning commute was preempted with a flat rear tire and an empty tank of > > gas. I filled the rear and rode in. It seems to be holding, but I am sure > > to find a nail tonight. > > > > > > _____________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > mike@XXXXXX > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ > > NMA - http://www.motorists.org > > > > "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." > > - Jimmy Buffett > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 09:51:19 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 9:51:10 -0400 > > From: Danny Motorcycle > Date: 2005/06/22 Wed AM 09:40:58 EDT > To: Troutman > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection > > This is what makes the world go round... where smart people can take > advantage of the stupid.. because some people are f'in idiots. > > "Hi.. how would you like to own a lot of stuff, anything you want at > only 30% financing!" "sure I'll take one of everything" > > "Hi we're from the gov't.. we're going to tax the money you earn, then > tax it again > when you go to spend it. On top of that, we're going to make you pay fees and > fines too! woohoo" > > dammit now i'm like second hand angry LOL > ..don't EVEN get me started. Take a look at your phone bill. Nearly 50% of it is some kind of tax. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 09:54:12 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 9:54:02 -0400 > > From: skip > Date: 2005/06/22 Wed AM 09:48:19 EDT > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection > > when I see someone go by in shorts, t-shirt, sandals I wave (cause he's > a brother) and think, "idiot". > > things like road rash are "one trial learning" > > --skip, learned that lesson from others. > a co-worker told me he saw in DC last Friday some guy, in heavy traffic, lane split at high speed, then try and pop a wheelie to show off, lost control and had the bike shoot across the street and literally blow itself to pieces when it hit a pole. Gawd forbid if someone had been in it's path or if instead of a pole it hit, a child. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 10:03:48 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'adamme1@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:03:32 -0400 > From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" > Date: 2005/06/22 Wed AM 08:04:29 EDT > To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] young rider protection > > It's a shame you don't need a license and IQ test to be a parent. I would > never put my children on a MC. I don't even ride passengers much less my > kids. Anyway why does it seem mandatory if you ride a cruiser most of the > folks I see don't wear gear? ...probably for the same reason I see crotch rocket riders wearing shorts, t-shirts and sneakers without socks doing wheelies in traffic...because there's always a segment out there that are just plain stump stupid. -aki I forgot about them aki. That's a whole different rant altogether. > > Art Silver > NIH/NIGMS/ASB > 45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 > Bethesda, MD 20892 > 301-594-1747 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 10:04:57 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:04:49 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection On 6/22/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > a co-worker told me he saw in DC last Friday some guy, in heavy traffic, lane split at high speed, then try and pop a wheelie to show off, lost control and had the bike shoot across the street and literally blow itself to pieces when it hit a pole. Gawd forbid if someone had been in it's path or if instead of a pole it hit, a child. No fear of that... that was karma, baby! I have zero sympathy for squids who splat. It's one less twit I have to worry about being on my roads that day. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 10:13:02 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:12:43 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Darwin don't fuck around. smthng else wrote: > > On 6/22/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > a co-worker told me he saw in DC last Friday some guy, in heavy traffic, lane split at high speed, then try and pop a wheelie to show off, lost control and had the bike shoot across the street and literally blow itself to pieces when it hit a pole. Gawd forbid if someone had been in it's path or if instead of a pole it hit, a child. > > No fear of that... that was karma, baby! I have zero sympathy for > squids who splat. It's one less twit I have to worry about being on > my roads that day. > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 10:22:52 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:22:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection >On 6/21/05, Troutman wrote: >> Nearing home tonight I had a guy pull out in front of me on a big >> cruiser. Wearing the typical suburban shorts, t-shirt and helmet. In >> front of him on the tank was his ~4 year old in the same >> outfit. Personally, what you wear riding doesn't affect me. But I don't >> think it is right to let a kid that young ride without protective gear. He >> looked too young to be a passenger anyway. If you can't trust them to hang >> on behind you, they aren't old enough to ride (IMHO). > >Agreed, and I'm sure there's laws against it, but I have no idea what >they actually are. > >--smthng >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ This page has the MD laws http://www.marylandmva.com/MVAProg/moto/child.htm http://www.marylandmva.com/MVAProg/moto/passenger.htm Summary: all riders must be behind the driver, must have a helmet, eye protection, and the bike must have a passenger seat and footpegs. In our riding class, they said a child must be able to reach the footpegs to be able to ride. There also exists a "C.R.V. Riding Belt (Children's Recreation Vehicle Riding Belt)" - Let the flame war begin over if it's best to attach one body to another in a crash. Virginia and DC laws look to be similar from http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/laws/result.asp?state=VA - no age requirement - but bets are the rider must be able to properly use the seat and footpegs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 11:15:47 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:15:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Prosecutor To: you@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX rich: you're not entitled to a public defender unless (i) it is a jailable offense; and (ii) you meet certain income criteria. you should have received a notice regarding the right to counsel if this is a jailable offense. if not, there will likely not be a prosecutor at your hearing to speak with. in that event you shoudl talk to the cop beforehand and figure out if he'll agree to a reduction in the charge or will oppose a reduced penalty. a good relationship with these folks goes a long way. --- smthng else wrote: > On 6/21/05, rich hall wrote: > > Has anyone talked to a prosecutor themselves, w/o a > lawyer before traffic > > court? > > Before court without a lawyer? No. During court without > a lawyer? Yes. > > If'n I'm not mistaken, you're entitled to a "public > defender" or > whatever they call them these days if you don't have your > own lawyer. > I'd probably talk to the PD first, then have them talk to > the > prosecutor or accompany you while you talk to them. Just > because > you're not paying for them directly doesn't mean they > don't work for > you. I'd have no clue how to go about finding out who > the PD was > though. Of course, I could be confusing things... it's a > been a long > time since I've had to go to court (but it was quite a > nasty set of > violations). > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 11:23:47 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Finity Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX One thing that occurred to me last night, and something I'm going to start practicing. Get in the habit of using your short-term memory to memorize license plates. Glance at a vehicle that goes by, see if you can quickly recognize / remember the license number. You don't have to 'keep' it for long, just exercise your mind a little. 1. You never know when come in handy to report seriously reckless drivers (inattentive, drunk, injured, senile... endless list) 2. Helps to keep your mind focused on your surroundings, and not just sitting like a 'knob on your cruiser / standard / sportbike / moped / whatever. Seriously, give it a try. Never know when it might come in handy. Especially to report unbelievably reckless a-holes who endanger not just themselves and other drivers, but kids. --- Erick Singley wrote: > >On 6/21/05, Troutman wrote: > >> Nearing home tonight I had a guy pull out in front of me on a big > >> cruiser. Wearing the typical suburban shorts, t-shirt and helmet. In > >> front of him on the tank was his ~4 year old in the same > >> outfit. Personally, what you wear riding doesn't affect me. But I don't > >> think it is right to let a kid that young ride without protective gear. > He > >> looked too young to be a passenger anyway. If you can't trust them to > hang > >> on behind you, they aren't old enough to ride (IMHO). > > > >Agreed, and I'm sure there's laws against it, but I have no idea what > >they actually are. > > > >--smthng > >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > This page has the MD laws > http://www.marylandmva.com/MVAProg/moto/child.htm > http://www.marylandmva.com/MVAProg/moto/passenger.htm > > Summary: all riders must be behind the driver, must have a helmet, > eye protection, and the bike must have a passenger seat and footpegs. > > In our riding class, they said a child must be able to reach the > footpegs to be able to ride. > > There also exists a "C.R.V. Riding Belt (Children's Recreation > Vehicle Riding Belt)" - Let the flame war begin over if it's best to > attach one body to another in a crash. > > Virginia and DC laws look to be similar from > http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/laws/result.asp?state=VA > - no age requirement - but bets are the rider must be able to > properly use the seat and footpegs. > > > John Finity fangva@XXXXXX ALIQUANDO ET INSANIRE IUCUNDUM EST! http://jkfinity.blogspot.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 13:07:58 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:05:05 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection I have been doing that for years, and actually did memorize his plate. I won't report him though. If I see it again I will. John Finity wrote: >Glance at a vehicle that goes by, see if you can quickly >recognize / remember the license number. You don't have to 'keep' it for long, >just exercise your mind a little. > >1. You never know when come in handy to report seriously reckless drivers >(inattentive, drunk, injured, senile... endless list) > >2. Helps to keep your mind focused on your surroundings > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 14:46:53 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:46:45 -0400 > > From: John Finity > Date: 2005/06/22 Wed AM 11:23:36 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection > > One thing that occurred to me last night, and something I'm going to start > practicing. Get in the habit of using your short-term memory to memorize > license plates. Glance at a vehicle that goes by, see if you can quickly > recognize / remember the license number. You don't have to 'keep' it for long, > just exercise your mind a little. > > 1. You never know when come in handy to report seriously reckless drivers > (inattentive, drunk, injured, senile... endless list) > > 2. Helps to keep your mind focused on your surroundings, and not just sitting > like a 'knob on your cruiser / standard / sportbike / moped / whatever. > > Seriously, give it a try. Never know when it might come in handy. Especially to > report unbelievably reckless a-holes who endanger not just themselves and other > drivers, but kids. > ..it's funny that you should mention that. I used to work for DMV..MANY years ago (early 90's), and now have a habit that I've never been able to get rid of. And that is looking at license plates and seeing if they're expired or not. A byproduct of that is that I can remember plate numbers/names pretty easily now. On a sidenote, it's amazing how many people are too stupid to figure out that the month goes in one corner of the plate and the year goes on the *OTHER* corner of the plate (Va). It's amazing how many people I see that either has it ass backwards or they have both months on the back and both years on the front. I've even seen some plates with the years 1/2" down from the previous year so you can see how many years the car has been registered. Like I or anyone else cares. end rant. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 14:57:26 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:57:14 -0400 On a sidenote, it's amazing how many people are too stupid to figure out that the month goes in one corner of the plate and the year goes on the *OTHER* corner of the plate (Va). It's amazing how many people I see that either has it ass backwards or they have both months on the back and both years on the front. I've even seen some plates with the years 1/2" down from the previous year so you can see how many years the car has been registered. Like I or anyone else cares. end rant. -aki Dang I hate that too. It's like no one can read instructions. For example at my part-time job there is a main door and then a door with a big ENTRANCE sign on it and still people go the wrong way or push when the door says push. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 15:04:39 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:04:19 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection WRT decals, I intentionally put them on upside down. they're specific about the location of the sticker, but not the orientation... it's my way of protesting the tax. "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > > On a sidenote, it's amazing how many people are too stupid to figure out > that the month goes in one corner of the plate and the year goes on the > *OTHER* corner of the plate (Va). It's amazing how many people I see that > either has it ass backwards or they have both months on the back and both > years on the front. I've even seen some plates with the years 1/2" down > from the previous year so you can see how many years the car has been > registered. Like I or anyone else cares. > > end rant. > -aki > > Dang I hate that too. It's like no one can read instructions. For example at > my part-time job there is a main door and then a door with a big ENTRANCE > sign on it and still people go the wrong way or push when the door says > push. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 15:56:16 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:56:09 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "adamme1@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Grr I forgot about that. On 6/22/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > From: Danny Motorcycle > > Date: 2005/06/22 Wed AM 09:40:58 EDT > > To: Troutman > > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection > > > > This is what makes the world go round... where smart people can take > > advantage of the stupid.. because some people are f'in idiots. > > > > "Hi.. how would you like to own a lot of stuff, anything you want at > > only 30% financing!" "sure I'll take one of everything" > > > > "Hi we're from the gov't.. we're going to tax the money you earn, then > > tax it again > > when you go to spend it. On top of that, we're going to make you pay fees and > > fines too! woohoo" > > > > dammit now i'm like second hand angry LOL > > > > > ..don't EVEN get me started. Take a look at your phone bill. Nearly 50% of it is some kind of tax. > > -aki > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 16:01:39 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:01:31 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Curious, what's your reasoning for not reporting it? On 6/22/05, Mike Troutman wrote: > I have been doing that for years, and actually did memorize his plate. > I won't report him though. If I see it again I will. > > John Finity wrote: > > >Glance at a vehicle that goes by, see if you can quickly > >recognize / remember the license number. You don't have to 'keep' it for long, > >just exercise your mind a little. > > > >1. You never know when come in handy to report seriously reckless drivers > >(inattentive, drunk, injured, senile... endless list) > > > >2. Helps to keep your mind focused on your surroundings > > > > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > Fax 703.392.4665 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 16:04:30 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:01:38 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection I just don't feel the need to get the government involved every time I take issue with someone's choices. The police have better ways to spend their time, and I would have to swear out a statement to have any action taken. If I am going to get involved, I don't want to half-ass it. Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Curious, what's your reasoning for not reporting it? > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 16:05:08 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:05:01 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "adamme1@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX reminds me when a buddy of mine sent his sister (and her boyfriend) to get tags for him. Apparently idiot boyfriend felt it was his duty to touch something that wasnt' his, and put the month and date on in the inverse positions. some people are just idiots. It's one thing to screw up your own stuff.. but another to screw up someone elses. On 6/22/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > From: John Finity > > Date: 2005/06/22 Wed AM 11:23:36 EDT > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection > > > > One thing that occurred to me last night, and something I'm going to start > > practicing. Get in the habit of using your short-term memory to memorize > > license plates. Glance at a vehicle that goes by, see if you can quickly > > recognize / remember the license number. You don't have to 'keep' it for long, > > just exercise your mind a little. > > > > 1. You never know when come in handy to report seriously reckless drivers > > (inattentive, drunk, injured, senile... endless list) > > > > 2. Helps to keep your mind focused on your surroundings, and not just sitting > > like a 'knob on your cruiser / standard / sportbike / moped / whatever. > > > > Seriously, give it a try. Never know when it might come in handy. Especially to > > report unbelievably reckless a-holes who endanger not just themselves and other > > drivers, but kids. > > > > > ..it's funny that you should mention that. I used to work for DMV..MANY years ago (early 90's), and now have a habit that I've never been able to get rid of. And that is looking at license plates and seeing if they're expired or not. A byproduct of that is that I can remember plate numbers/names pretty easily now. > > On a sidenote, it's amazing how many people are too stupid to figure out that the month goes in one corner of the plate and the year goes on the *OTHER* corner of the plate (Va). It's amazing how many people I see that either has it ass backwards or they have both months on the back and both years on the front. I've even seen some plates with the years 1/2" down from the previous year so you can see how many years the car has been registered. Like I or anyone else cares. > > end rant. > -aki > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 16:19:21 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:19:12 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not that I don't respect your choice.. but playing dev. advocate.. you could do it anonymously... a cop could come by and give the guy a good talking to... (maybe the wife doesn't know?) and the guy might change his ways.. that next ride that you see ("again") could be the one where the kid gets some serious injuries. It just kind of reminds me of a woman who gets raped by someone she knows but won't report it.. kind of allowing it to happen again to someone else. Like the beatings will continue until moral improves. Also this isn't neccessarily a persons choice issue... while it may possibly be his child, it is at least one other persons child, and the child himself should get better supervision and consideration, as he can't make his own legal decisions. The rider's choice could affect the boys life forever, or terminate it. The child isn't capable of concieving all that. On 6/22/05, Mike Troutman wrote: > I just don't feel the need to get the government involved every time I > take issue with someone's choices. The police have better ways to spend > their time, and I would have to swear out a statement to have any action > taken. If I am going to get involved, I don't want to half-ass it. > > Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > >Curious, what's your reasoning for not reporting it? > > > -- > > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > Fax 703.392.4665 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 18:20:03 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Prosecutor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In VA there always seems to be a prosecutor in traffic court. At least that's been my expereince. Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > rich: > you're not entitled to a public defender unless (i) > it is a > jailable offense; and (ii) you meet certain income > criteria. you should have received a notice > regarding the > right to counsel if this is a jailable offense. if > not, > there will likely not be a prosecutor at your > hearing to > speak with. in that event you shoudl talk to the cop > beforehand and figure out if he'll agree to a > reduction in > the charge or will oppose a reduced penalty. a good > relationship with these folks goes a long way. > > > > > --- smthng else wrote: > > > On 6/21/05, rich hall > wrote: > > > Has anyone talked to a prosecutor themselves, > w/o a > > lawyer before traffic > > > court? > > > > Before court without a lawyer? No. During court > without > > a lawyer? Yes. > > > > If'n I'm not mistaken, you're entitled to a > "public > > defender" or > > whatever they call them these days if you don't > have your > > own lawyer. > > I'd probably talk to the PD first, then have them > talk to > > the > > prosecutor or accompany you while you talk to > them. Just > > because > > you're not paying for them directly doesn't mean > they > > don't work for > > you. I'd have no clue how to go about finding out > who > > the PD was > > though. Of course, I could be confusing things... > it's a > > been a long > > time since I've had to go to court (but it was > quite a > > nasty set of > > violations). > > > > --smthng > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > > > > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) > - http://www.murphygimer.com > - http://www.mgtitlellc.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 19:13:26 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:14:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: USAA Maybe to clear the air a bit.... USAA used to be only open to officers AND CANDIDATES until recently. I found out the hard way that you dont have to actually be one to qualify. Once you are eligable (and being in ROTC makes you eligable) you always are. When I called to renew 7 years after dropping out of ROTC, I was told once I paid my balance due (because they had continued to cover me past expiration when I thought I wasnt eligable, but it was only $45). It is now open to all current and past members of the military (and no, I'm not going to look up what that definition means). If you think you are eligable, call them. USAA CIC (casualty insurance company) is available to non-qualified, but past covered (ie, children, ex-spouses, etc) of eligable members. Rates are higher for CIC and they dont get the subscriber credits, etc (ie, benefits of being in a cooperative). They DO insure bikes, thats an urban legend I've heard since '90. They just dont insure certain sportbikes. To quote the operator when I added my bike in '91, "We just dont insure the ones that start with 'Z'".... "XL" was fine with them. I've held cycle insurance with them ever since, and bought 3 new bikes since. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 19:33:28 2005 From: "Travis" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: USAA Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:31:29 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 036d69e8bc62b27fefb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9405744f5d4f6a7ed3db3f6a885bb7384e1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I have auto and home owner's through USAA. Just two days I tried to get a quote for a motorcycle policy with USAA. I was told they no longer do NEW policies for motorcycles. Well, they "do", but it is actually through Progressive. I already have Progressive and they said my rate would stay the same. So I'm not changing anything. My rate with Progressive is good. I was just hoping to do a little better with USAA. Travis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 19:44:48 2005 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:45:09 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] young rider protection Sounds like I'm in the distinct minority here in terms of what's judged acceptably safe, but I have been taking my 8-1/2 year old son to school here in DC on my scooter (50 mph top speed) since he was four. He has always worn protective gear (HJC full-face helmet - child sizes; jacket; boots), and always ridden behind me. Until he could reach around me, and reach the foot pegs, we used the CRV Riding Belt. It has a very robust pad which sits between us (against my back) with two belts - one goes around me, and the other around him. The pad has handlebars that come out each side for him to hold on. Although he can now reach the pegs on the Bonneville, I haven't yet felt he's ready to ride on the bigger faster machine so we have not tried that yet. However, we have recently taken up dirt riding, and he now has his own TT-R90E (electric start!). He took to both the safety protocols and riding techniques very quickly - not sure if 4 years on the back of the scooter had anything to do with that or not, but it probably didn't hurt. If anyone is contemplating riding with their young kid, I'm happy to discuss my experiences further offline, and I still have the CRV belt which I'd sell cheap. Dave (lurker) ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenstein@XXXXXX 67 Jaguar E-Type OTS S1.5 71 Ford F-100 Styleside 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville 00 Aprilia Scarabeo 50 scooter 04 Yamaha TT-R250 offroad Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Erick Singley > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection > > Summary: all riders must be behind the driver, must have a helmet, > eye protection, and the bike must have a passenger seat and footpegs. > > In our riding class, they said a child must be able to reach the > footpegs to be able to ride. > > There also exists a "C.R.V. Riding Belt (Children's Recreation > Vehicle Riding Belt)" - Let the flame war begin over if it's best to > attach one body to another in a crash. > > Virginia and DC laws look to be similar from > http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/laws/result.asp?state=VA > - no age requirement - but bets are the rider must be able to > properly use the seat and footpegs. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 20:00:23 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael H. Sams" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca Is there any interest in getting together on July 10th to watch the race? Another, Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 21:47:33 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:46:49 -0400 From: "lister lynch" To: Ohp, there goes the neighborhood... :-) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael H. Sams [mailto:msams@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca Is there any interest in getting together on July 10th to watch the race? Another, Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 22 23:41:55 2005 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] young rider protection To: David Lowenstein , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- David Lowenstein wrote: > Sounds like I'm in the distinct minority here in > terms of what's judged > acceptably safe, but I have been taking my 8-1/2 > year old son to school here > in DC on my scooter (50 mph top speed) since he was > four. My kids have also gone for short (and a few not so short) rides on my bikes. I don't remember when they started riding with me, but somewhere between the 4 and 8 1/2 quoted by David does sound about right. > > He has always worn protective gear (HJC full-face > helmet - child sizes; > jacket; boots), and always ridden behind me. > Just a couple of weeks ago my 12 year old asked why her friend got to ride on her dad's bike while wearing shorts. I noted that her dad wasn't wearing protective gear either and asked if she really wanted to take a chance on falling without wearing gear. Suddenly it all made sense to her. She knows motorcycles fall down once in a while. > Until he could reach around me, and reach the foot > pegs, we used the CRV > Riding Belt. > which I'd sell > cheap. Mine isn't for sale; my grandson turns 1 year old next week. The passenger pegs on a Ninja 250 aren't a very long reach. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 (in several forms) DL1000 V-Strom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 00:26:05 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:25:42 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Prosecutor in va, there is a prosecuting attorney Glenn Dysart wrote: > > In VA there always seems to be a prosecutor in traffic > court. At least that's been my expereince. > > Glenn > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > rich: > > you're not entitled to a public defender unless (i) > > it is a > > jailable offense; and (ii) you meet certain income > > criteria. you should have received a notice > > regarding the > > right to counsel if this is a jailable offense. if > > not, > > there will likely not be a prosecutor at your > > hearing to > > speak with. in that event you shoudl talk to the cop > > beforehand and figure out if he'll agree to a > > reduction in > > the charge or will oppose a reduced penalty. a good > > relationship with these folks goes a long way. > > > > > > > > > > --- smthng else wrote: > > > > > On 6/21/05, rich hall > > wrote: > > > > Has anyone talked to a prosecutor themselves, > > w/o a > > > lawyer before traffic > > > > court? > > > > > > Before court without a lawyer? No. During court > > without > > > a lawyer? Yes. > > > > > > If'n I'm not mistaken, you're entitled to a > > "public > > > defender" or > > > whatever they call them these days if you don't > > have your > > > own lawyer. > > > I'd probably talk to the PD first, then have them > > talk to > > > the > > > prosecutor or accompany you while you talk to > > them. Just > > > because > > > you're not paying for them directly doesn't mean > > they > > > don't work for > > > you. I'd have no clue how to go about finding out > > who > > > the PD was > > > though. Of course, I could be confusing things... > > it's a > > > been a long > > > time since I've had to go to court (but it was > > quite a > > > nasty set of > > > violations). > > > > > > --smthng > > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) > > - http://www.murphygimer.com > > - http://www.mgtitlellc.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 08:13:01 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:12:58 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: USAA Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > It is now open to all current and past members of the military (and no, I'm > not going to look up what that definition means). If you think you are > eligable, call them. Retired TSgt (E6) USAF here - I am NOT eligible. It appears to be all active duty and some retired. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 08:14:36 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:14:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca > Is there any interest in getting together on July 10th to watch the race? If we leave on the 7th or the 8th, we should be able to make it with plenty of time. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 08:21:37 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Bruce Brownlee'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Re: USAA Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:21:29 -0400 They DO insure bikes, thats an urban legend I've heard since '90. They just dont insure certain sportbikes. To quote the operator when I added my bike in '91, "We just dont insure the ones that start with 'Z'".... "XL" was fine with them. I've held cycle insurance with them ever since, and bought 3 new bikes since. I think your wrong they told my in-law that they aren't taking any new bike policies this is a recent thing and he rides a F-4i. So if you get a new bike you won't get a policy from them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 08:42:43 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:39:49 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: USAA Government ... and their families. My father is a retired Coast Guard officer. I had it when I turned 16 as a dependant and was smart enough not to change carriers. He was not active duty at that point. Now when I have kids, they can get it and keep it too. Michael Jordan wrote: >>It is now open to all current and past members of the military (and no, I'm not going to look up what that definition means). If you think you are eligable, call them. >> Retired TSgt (E6) USAF here - I am NOT eligible. It appears to be all active duty and some retired. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 08:46:30 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: USAA Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 8:46:18 -0400 > > From: Michael Jordan > Date: 2005/06/23 Thu AM 08:12:58 EDT > To: Bruce Brownlee > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: USAA > > > It is now open to all current and past members of the military (and no, I'm > > not going to look up what that definition means). If you think you are > > eligable, call them. > > Retired TSgt (E6) USAF here - I am NOT eligible. > > It appears to be all active duty and some retired. > yup..I just checked eligibility myself and after 15 years of active duty (ending in 1990), I'm not eligible either. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 09:11:52 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:11:43 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: [dc-cycles] MFS experienced class Back in the '90s there was a MFS class for experienced riders. Does this class still exist? If so, where and what are the requirements? Thanks, Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 09:14:53 2005 From: To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MFS experienced class Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 9:14:46 -0400 It's now called the ERC (Experienced Rider Course). -aki > > From: "De Boeser, Tom" > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:11:43 -0400 > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: [dc-cycles] MFS experienced class > > Back in the '90s there was a MFS class for experienced riders. Does > this class still exist? If so, where and what are the requirements? > > Thanks, > > Tom de > '03 ST1300 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 09:21:51 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MFS experienced class Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:21:42 -0400 I looked for one recently and couldn't find one scheduled. I did it 3 yrs ago at Loudoun NVCC. My insurance discount is only good for 3 yrs. And I kinda wanted to take it before my court date. >From: >To: DC-CYCLES >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MFS experienced class >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 9:14:46 -0400 > >It's now called the ERC (Experienced Rider Course). > >-aki > > > > > > From: "De Boeser, Tom" > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:11:43 -0400 > > To: DC-CYCLES > > Subject: [dc-cycles] MFS experienced class > > > > Back in the '90s there was a MFS class for experienced riders. Does > > this class still exist? If so, where and what are the requirements? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom de > > '03 ST1300 > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 09:22:38 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:22:31 -0400 I've got a friend that lives in Monterery! >From: Michael Jordan >Reply-To: Michael Jordan >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:14:34 -0400 > > > Is there any interest in getting together on July 10th to watch the >race? > >If we leave on the 7th or the 8th, we should be able to make it with >plenty of time. > >-- >Michael J. >'86 SRX-6 >'93 GSX1100G >'03 DL1000 >AMA >IBA #3901 >USAF (Ret) >NRA >etc. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 09:25:27 2005 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.81) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Jun 2005 13:25:18 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:25:18 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Riding unprotected and its consequences In the most current issue of Motocycle Consumer News (highly recommended, BTW, but they only put limited content on-line) there's an article by woman who crashed unprotected. She reminds the reader that the trauma of severe road rash is almost identical to third degree burns, and that the medical treatment and healing involves intense pain over a long period of time. There is, for example, high turnover of the burn ward nursing staff because they find watching the patients' suffering unendurable. Even after that, when new skin has grown to cover the wound, to avoid severe scarring you must wear rubberized bandages for many months, no fun even if you're not in DC in the summer I have a commute of just over 2 miles at low speeds, and had begun to get sloppy, just jumping on the bike wearing business attire, which, of course, offers about the same protection as riding nude. I've started wearing the mesh jacket and gloves again. David -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 10:02:34 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:03:27 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" Subject: [dc-cycles] Interesting Ebay ad Heavily "customized" F4. Second listing on Ebay, first bidding ended at $5,000.00 but the buyer backed out. I wonder why. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=49999&item=4557519363&rd=1 Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 10:24:01 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:23:39 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting Ebay ad Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > Heavily "customized" F4. Second listing on Ebay, first bidding ended at $5,000.00 but the buyer backed out. I wonder why. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=49999&item=4557519363&rd=1 Title: Salvage needs alignment, (WTF??) Please remember the bike does have a salvage title due to being laid down and had cosmetic damage to the fairings. Please enjoy the bike and remember the bike is sold as is, no questions asked. insurance companies do not total a vehicle for cosmetic damage, and if it "needs alignment" (seriously... WTF??) something is bent, probably the forks, maybe the frame. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 10:51:01 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:50:45 -0400 To: "De Boeser, Tom" , DC-CYCLES From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MFS experienced class At 09:11 AM 6/23/05 -0400, De Boeser, Tom wrote: >Back in the '90s there was a MFS class for experienced riders. Does >this class still exist? If so, where and what are the requirements? It still exists...check the MSF page for a pointer to info for your state. In Montgomery County it's done through Montgomery College. It's called the ERC (Experienced Rider Course). Requirements are that you pay the fee ($100 I think now), show up with a bike to ride and the proper gear (DOT helmet, sturdy boots over the ankle, gloves, etc.), and have a license and insurance for your bike. They suggest that you have at least 6 months or 3000 miles of riding experience, but the basic idea is that you not still be in the stage where you are having to think a lot to operate the bike itself, and that you have some idea what it's like on the roads. The class is mostly on the bike and lasts one day. I took it last year up in Frederick and it was a fun day with a fair bit of good education. I'd recommend it for everyone, even if they've taken it before. You can't get too much practice. If you pass the final test (do everything within specified limits) you get a certificate that may lower your insurance costs...check with your insurer (USAA didn't care in Maryland, others may). -- Mike B. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 10:55:47 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:55:45 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca > I've got a friend that lives in Monterery! That takes care of a place to (pardon the expression) crash. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 17:21:10 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Prosecutor To: skip , DC Cycles definitely for the reckless charge (which is jailable), but for 9 mph over the limit and contested parking ticket matters? interesting. --- skip wrote: > in va, there is a prosecuting attorney > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > In VA there always seems to be a prosecutor in traffic > > court. At least that's been my expereince. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > rich: > > > you're not entitled to a public defender unless (i) > > > it is a > > > jailable offense; and (ii) you meet certain income > > > criteria. you should have received a notice > > > regarding the > > > right to counsel if this is a jailable offense. if > > > not, > > > there will likely not be a prosecutor at your > > > hearing to > > > speak with. in that event you shoudl talk to the cop > > > beforehand and figure out if he'll agree to a > > > reduction in > > > the charge or will oppose a reduced penalty. a good > > > relationship with these folks goes a long way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- smthng else wrote: > > > > > > > On 6/21/05, rich hall > > > wrote: > > > > > Has anyone talked to a prosecutor themselves, > > > w/o a > > > > lawyer before traffic > > > > > court? > > > > > > > > Before court without a lawyer? No. During court > > > without > > > > a lawyer? Yes. > > > > > > > > If'n I'm not mistaken, you're entitled to a > > > "public > > > > defender" or > > > > whatever they call them these days if you don't > > > have your > > > > own lawyer. > > > > I'd probably talk to the PD first, then have them > > > talk to > > > > the > > > > prosecutor or accompany you while you talk to > > > them. Just > > > > because > > > > you're not paying for them directly doesn't mean > > > they > > > > don't work for > > > > you. I'd have no clue how to go about finding out > > > who > > > > the PD was > > > > though. Of course, I could be confusing things... > > > it's a > > > > been a long > > > > time since I've had to go to court (but it was > > > quite a > > > > nasty set of > > > > violations). > > > > > > > > --smthng > > > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) > > > - http://www.murphygimer.com > > > - http://www.mgtitlellc.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 17:36:10 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:35:59 -0400 From: skip To: Tom Gimer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Prosecutor well, in my experience, which spans, unfortunately, a large number of virginia's counties. Tom Gimer wrote: > > definitely for the reckless charge (which is jailable), but > for 9 mph over the limit and contested parking ticket > matters? interesting. > > --- skip wrote: > > > in va, there is a prosecuting attorney > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > In VA there always seems to be a prosecutor in traffic > > > court. At least that's been my expereince. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > > rich: > > > > you're not entitled to a public defender unless (i) > > > > it is a > > > > jailable offense; and (ii) you meet certain income > > > > criteria. you should have received a notice > > > > regarding the > > > > right to counsel if this is a jailable offense. if > > > > not, > > > > there will likely not be a prosecutor at your > > > > hearing to > > > > speak with. in that event you shoudl talk to the cop > > > > beforehand and figure out if he'll agree to a > > > > reduction in > > > > the charge or will oppose a reduced penalty. a good > > > > relationship with these folks goes a long way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- smthng else wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 6/21/05, rich hall > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone talked to a prosecutor themselves, > > > > w/o a > > > > > lawyer before traffic > > > > > > court? > > > > > > > > > > Before court without a lawyer? No. During court > > > > without > > > > > a lawyer? Yes. > > > > > > > > > > If'n I'm not mistaken, you're entitled to a > > > > "public > > > > > defender" or > > > > > whatever they call them these days if you don't > > > > have your > > > > > own lawyer. > > > > > I'd probably talk to the PD first, then have them > > > > talk to > > > > > the > > > > > prosecutor or accompany you while you talk to > > > > them. Just > > > > > because > > > > > you're not paying for them directly doesn't mean > > > > they > > > > > don't work for > > > > > you. I'd have no clue how to go about finding out > > > > who > > > > > the PD was > > > > > though. Of course, I could be confusing things... > > > > it's a > > > > > been a long > > > > > time since I've had to go to court (but it was > > > > quite a > > > > > nasty set of > > > > > violations). > > > > > > > > > > --smthng > > > > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) > > > > - http://www.murphygimer.com > > > > - http://www.mgtitlellc.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) > - http://www.murphygimer.com > - http://www.mgtitlellc.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 19:31:19 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: msams@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:31:04 -0400 I could be talked into it. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Michael H. Sams" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Is there any interest in getting together on July 10th to watch the race? Another, Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 19:45:33 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:45:23 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: skip Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting Ebay ad Cc: DC Cycles needs alignment probably just means the forks are turned slightly inside the tripple clamps. losen clamps, turn wheel straight, tighten clamps. Insurance companies often total bikes for cosmetic damages... scratch a frame on such an old bike.. the labor will cost more than the bike. On 6/23/05, skip wrote: > > > Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > > > Heavily "customized" F4. Second listing on Ebay, first bidding ended at $5,000.00 but the buyer backed out. I wonder why. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=49999&item=4557519363&rd=1 > > > Title: Salvage > needs alignment, (WTF??) > Please remember the bike does have a salvage title due to being laid > down and had cosmetic damage to the fairings. > Please enjoy the bike and remember the bike is sold as is, no questions > asked. > > > > insurance companies do not total a vehicle for cosmetic damage, and if > it "needs alignment" (seriously... WTF??) something is bent, probably > the forks, maybe the frame. > > > --skip > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 19:52:19 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:52:11 -0400 From: skip To: Danny Motorcycle CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting Ebay ad happy bidding! great reward requires great risk, and that bike is not a risk I am willing to take. If the guy took the time to do all that other stuff, and have it inspected for issues, and it was only loosening the triple clamps, I suspect he'd have had it done. just my opinion... --skip Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > needs alignment probably just means the forks are turned slightly > inside the tripple clamps. losen clamps, turn wheel straight, tighten > clamps. > > Insurance companies often total bikes for cosmetic damages... scratch a > frame on such an old bike.. the labor will cost more than the bike. > > On 6/23/05, skip wrote: > > > > > > Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > > > > > Heavily "customized" F4. Second listing on Ebay, first bidding ended at $5,000.00 but the buyer backed out. I wonder why. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=49999&item=4557519363&rd=1 > > > > > > Title: Salvage > > needs alignment, (WTF??) > > Please remember the bike does have a salvage title due to being laid > > down and had cosmetic damage to the fairings. > > Please enjoy the bike and remember the bike is sold as is, no questions > > asked. > > > > > > > > insurance companies do not total a vehicle for cosmetic damage, and if > > it "needs alignment" (seriously... WTF??) something is bent, probably > > the forks, maybe the frame. > > > > > > --skip > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 21:11:18 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:11:15 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] free Windjammer fairing free Windjammer fairing. Dark blue, limited edition "Blue Max" version originally for BMW's. Has some mounting hardware for BMW airhead. Has radio/cassette - don't know if it works. Needs headlight (had headlight mount), and turn signals. Pictures available on request. Located in the City of Falls Church, VA. thanks, Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 23 21:18:00 2005 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:22:30 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Thank you stranger I rode to work on Guzzi since my MZ Skorpion is in shop after crashing at a track day... I usually park on M st/18th st (no meter!) but since I was late there were absolutely no space there today and I parked on Jefferson st. (with funky meter that does not work time to time) After work I went to my bike and found a note saying; "Car with MD license plate LNT### hit you and drove away on 6/23/2005, at 2:30pm (FYI, in case there is damage to your bike)" Thankfully there was no damage on my bike. I just wanted to thank whoever that left the note. There are still good people in this world! --------------------- Shigeru Honda 99 750 SS (Track #881) 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 24 01:45:34 2005 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca To: Rob Keiser , msams@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX If I am in town that weekend, (50 percent chance) I too would like to meet up somewhere to watch the race. Adam '93 NSR250 SE/SP --- Rob Keiser wrote: > I could be talked into it. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > From: "Michael H. Sams" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto GP - Laguna Seca > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) > > > Is there any interest in getting together on July > 10th to watch the race? > > Another, > Mike > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 24 16:49:24 2005 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:49:08 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: skip Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting Ebay ad Cc: DC Cycles That bike is over priced and it's a waste of bandwith.. I was just clarifying for the list things that I could. On 6/23/05, skip wrote: > happy bidding! > > great reward requires great risk, and that bike is not a risk I am > willing to take. > > If the guy took the time to do all that other stuff, and have it > inspected for issues, and it was only loosening the triple clamps, I > suspect he'd have had it done. > > just my opinion... > > --skip > > > > Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > needs alignment probably just means the forks are turned slightly > > inside the tripple clamps. losen clamps, turn wheel straight, tighten > > clamps. > > > > Insurance companies often total bikes for cosmetic damages... scratch a > > frame on such an old bike.. the labor will cost more than the bike. > > > > On 6/23/05, skip wrote: > > > > > > > > > Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > > > > > > > Heavily "customized" F4. Second listing on Ebay, first bidding ended at $5,000.00 but the buyer backed out. I wonder why. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=49999&item=4557519363&rd=1 > > > > > > > > > Title: Salvage > > > needs alignment, (WTF??) > > > Please remember the bike does have a salvage title due to being laid > > > down and had cosmetic damage to the fairings. > > > Please enjoy the bike and remember the bike is sold as is, no questions > > > asked. > > > > > > > > > > > > insurance companies do not total a vehicle for cosmetic damage, and if > > > it "needs alignment" (seriously... WTF??) something is bent, probably > > > the forks, maybe the frame. > > > > > > > > > --skip > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 24 16:51:23 2005 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:51:16 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Shigeru Honda Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Thank you stranger Cc: DC-Cycles Was the note signed? On 6/23/05, Shigeru Honda wrote: > I rode to work on Guzzi since my MZ Skorpion is in shop after crashing at a > track day... I usually park on M st/18th st (no meter!) but since I was late > there were absolutely no space there today and I parked on Jefferson st. > (with funky meter that does not work time to time) > > After work I went to my bike and found a note saying; > > "Car with MD license plate LNT### hit you and drove away on 6/23/2005, at > 2:30pm > (FYI, in case there is damage to your bike)" > > Thankfully there was no damage on my bike. I just wanted to thank whoever > that left the note. > There are still good people in this world! > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 24 19:00:13 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:00:03 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] 12 Grins -- DC-Wise Va. trip report Ahhh, when a plan jells -- On a 10-hi scale, this one gets a 12. Been conjecturing a trip to SW Virginia for some time - ancestral business, and pleasure -- finally the big pieces came together, particularly the wx forecast, and off I went for my first extensive mc trip to that area. Events and opinions herewith. A schedule was set with plenty of slack and no commitments other than to have a great ride (and do duties). Overview: 936 mi: About 1/3 mc-friendly, 1/3 slab, 1/3 superslab. Tue DC-Roanoke; Wed RT Roanoke-Wise; Thur R-DC. No rocky incidents. Started with an iffy wx outlook for Tue pm/Wed am (minor nw front) and me with a surmountable spring head cold. Decided to strongly sample Skyline Drive, the BRP, and possibly 211 as spirit and time swayed. With the 35 limit on Skyline, I figured a small initial dose would introduce. Soooo - 29 to 230 and the Swift Run entrance. Great thru to rte. 56 on the BRP when had to bail for gas (see below). Ending up at a rte. 81 truck stop, I closely watched a big weather glop in the south (interstates anathema in the rain). I could return to the BRP (a bit of a haul), or go 81. Hmmm. Craved a local Doppler. Not having the gear, perhaps the truck stop had the Weather Channel. I asked, they did. And sure enough, the local segment was showing the glops moving SE, away from 81. Took the gamble and the most I hit was some dampness post-shower. Arrived Roanoke dry about an hour later. Wed up at 6a, undid the NY chain and bike cover (lotsa dew), checked all fluids, back to 81. A couple of wx-apprehensive hours to Abingdon, then a pleasant surprise in finding that Alt. 58, the bulk of the remaining, is two lane divided (was ultra concerned that it might be a primitive cliffhugger). Wow. So, another (pleasant) hour to Wise. Some marvelous two-laners around there. The wx stayed mostly north: while threatening at times, it skirted my route. But between the previous day and Wed am I got lucky - no precip. (Nor the rest of the trip.) After duties in Wise, piece of cake return to Roanoke. Thur after personal chores, 460 east out of R.. to the BRP with an immediate last gas for another try. 10:15a to 1:30p covering about 115 miles with multiple stops along God's gift to bikers (could do that ride several times in a row). Traffic timing was right on - middle of the week off season - so I spent probably 5 minutes following traffic (pushed the 45mph limit heavily with few reasons why not). Unbelieveable having that glorious road virtually all to myself. Some opposite traffic, mostly bikes. Few land yachts yet but could envision much discomfort in high season. Remind myself to boost the National Park Service. At the top of the BRP pondered the east-to-29 or west-to-81 options: With my eye on the 211 transit (grins were big after the BRP workout) I headed for 81. To NewMarket, then 211 to DC as expected - hit the reverse rush on 66 seriously downgrading my attitude. (A final lift, however, came (a little vigilantism seeping through) when I honked at a celluser in front of me at a DC light who, when I motioned to my ear, smiled, nodded, and put the phone down.) A supergreat trip reaffirming longstanding life values and why energy is a great investment. Also killed the cold. Gasoline a continual concern for my 150m range tank. While Skyline was planned for, I did get caught by lack-a-fuel on the BRP. Interesting routes to poke around on if wanted to take a week: Rte. 56 off the BRP (I took west). Various back roads off the BRP. And around Wise, Va. Freebie utilized: The free pass to any National Park obtained by helping in the Potomac trash pickup. Listers may remember my cleanup posting - not known beforehand was the courtesy chit handout at the end. Saved me the $10 Skyline entry fee (which, I found out, is good for 7 days, insuring me a possible reentry coming back if I'd so chosen). Mixed emotion of the trip: Silently bemoaning I had no rejoinder when a lady at a gas stop shared her tale of a broken fan belt and out-of-cell-range catastrophe. The bike and gear performed perfectly (except: Exxon, where is thy Speedpass rollout?). Once more, amazed at this bike's spunk and variety. Never at a want for power when necessary. Also surprised that fan belts still break in autos. Didn't that go out in the 70's or so? Haven't thought of carrying spare fan belts for decades. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > More, please Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 12:12:40 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:12:30 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" (cross-posted from the Potomac Vintage Rider's Web List, sorry about the formatting) Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING There have been several successful and unsuccessful attempts at "jacking" dirt bikes and ATV's lately. In College Park a truck with 2 db's was washing off at the US1 carwash when the truck and DB's were "jacked" at gunpoint 2 weeks ago. Last week a (Rob Choi) customer at Heyser cycle was getting his rear knobby mounted. When he left Heyser's he was unknowingly followed home. He opened his garage and went into his house, heard noises from the garage and found seveal guys trying to steal his bikes. There have been several bikes stolen from Heysers and other shops lately. A Western Powersports Distributor rep. on a sales cal at Heysers had 2 dirt bikes stolen from with inside his Dodge/Freightliner box truck while in Heysers. One of the employees (and his Dad) at The Dirt Shop in College Park was followed home with his 2 race bikes in his truck and several guys tried to " jack " him in front of his house. The Dirt Shop has had one '04 CR125 stolen by the same crew last Tuesday. They cut a Kryptonite cable and tossed the bike into a stolen Dodge Caravan. The "perp's returned 3 times on Thursday in attempting to steal a 4 wheelers from the service dept. Again they cut a Kryptonite cable in 30 sec. They were being watched the whole time , but they got away before the cops responded. They were not confonted directly because they had previously displayed a gun. On Sunday 6/26 at 6pm they drove a stolen Jeep Cherokee thru the service wall at The Dirt Shop in another attempt.(BTW...it took PG Police 1hr35min to respond!!! we were on scene for 1hr25 min. waiting)) They returned Monday at 9:26 AM while neighbors watched and again entered the damaged service area in another attempt before the store opened. I have heard reports about riders in the Laurel area being accosted by similar groups. NONE of THIS MAKES THE NEWS!! BE forewarned!!! This crew is 7 -9 young black teenagers (several are very young) driving stolen Jeep Cherokees ( a Laredo Style green with tinted windows, a newer style Cherokee black in color tinted windows, and one or more stolen "old style Dodge/Chrysler Caravan mini-vans. They are very brazen, and armed, and obviously don't give a sh*t about anything!! Ralph Flanagan The Dirt Shop Inc. For more info contact Luke Hughes at the store 301-474-2228. __________________ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 13:55:27 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX wait, I thought it was illegal to have a handgun (any gun?) in DC. Something like that in MD too? Of course, that means the criminals wouldn't have guns to wave around, right? So how can this be happening? Isn't the citizenry armed and inclined to punch a few holes in the perps? Police prevent crime, too I bet. Lib***ism always results in the direct opposite of it's stated intent. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 14:37:41 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:37:38 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" > wait, I thought it was illegal to have a handgun (any gun?) in DC. > Something like that in MD too? Of course, that means the criminals > wouldn't have guns to wave around, right? So how can this be happening? > Isn't the citizenry armed and inclined to punch a few holes in the > perps? Police prevent crime, too I bet. > > Lib***ism always results in the direct opposite of it's stated intent. OTOH - they know better than to cross the river. http://www.cafepress.com/crimprefermd -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 15:09:10 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:09:05 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79db89c28bb871a2dd07765f2788a65bef350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > > Lib***ism always results in the direct opposite of it's stated intent. OTOH - they know better than to cross the river. http://www.cafepress.com/crimprefermd [Dave] These will be great for the family :-) Thanks! Too bad the crimpreferdc ones don't have those fake bullet holes on the shirts... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 15:15:59 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:15:56 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" > [Dave] These will be great for the family :-) Thanks! > Too bad the crimpreferdc ones don't have those fake bullet holes on the > shirts... Damn! Never thought to try DC - Now I have to order another T-shirt -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 15:57:33 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:57:10 -0400 From: skip To: maggot , DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] saturday/sunday ride Quick! Call me if you want to come with me. I'm leaving from herndon/reston/sterling. final destination for this evening is near "Slanesville" in west virginia. Dad's got a cabin, with a grill. planning on arriving tonight, leaving tomorrow at some point. right now I'm thinking of taking 211 all the way to 81. I think I can find my way up to dad's cabin from there. maybe not. if you want to come with, call me quick. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 15:58:33 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:58:18 -0400 From: skip To: maggot , DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] saturday/sunday ride Quick! Call me if you want to come with me. I'm leaving from herndon/reston/sterling. final destination for this evening is near "Slanesville" in west virginia. Dad's got a cabin, with a grill. planning on arriving tonight, leaving tomorrow at some point. right now I'm thinking of taking 211 all the way to 81. I think I can find my way up to dad's cabin from there. maybe not. if you want to come with, call me quick. 571 643 0636 571 228 7119 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 16:31:25 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:31:15 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] saturday/sunday ride On 6/25/05, skip wrote: > final destination for this evening is near "Slanesville" in west > virginia. Dad's got a cabin, with a grill. planning on arriving > tonight, leaving tomorrow at some point. Damn, the wife has already booked me up. :( Have a steak and a beer for me. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 16:37:28 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:37:19 -0400 From: smthng else To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] saturday/sunday ride Cc: DC Cycles On 6/25/05, Julian Halton wrote: > Just got back from a ride all around the area..ended up in poolesville and Frederick. y'all >should come along one of these days. I just got back from WV... I was *this* close to calling you this morning, but figured you were working. Nice ride, but pretty toasty out there today. Anyone got any reasonably local plans next weekend or the 4th? --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 20:59:19 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:59:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] 3/8" vs. 1/2" Just wondering what people feel is the better way to go for sockets. I was looking at Torque wrenches today and was trying to decide. Decided to wait and get some other opinions. So which is everyone's favorite, 3/8" or 1/2"? Ian 04 R6...Zoe ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 21:50:41 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:50:27 -0400 From: smthng else To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3/8" vs. 1/2" On 6/25/05, Ian Schmidt wrote: > Just wondering what people feel is the better way to > go for sockets. I was looking at Torque wrenches > today and was trying to decide. Decided to wait and > get some other opinions. So which is everyone's > favorite, 3/8" or 1/2"? And why not both?!? :) Seriously, if you really want to do "torquing" right, you'll need a half-inch for the higher torque values and a 3/8 for the lower stuff. I have a fairly cheap 1/2 that I use that goes up to something like 250 foot pounds. I'd expect it to be accurate within about 5 pounds or so. But, I have a 3/8 not-so-cheap wrench that I use for the lower stuff (it's actually "inch-pounds"), but the quality is way better. It has that "good tool feel" that the 1/2 doesn't. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 22:52:51 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:52:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3/8" vs. 1/2" To: you@XXXXXX, DCcycles Is this for motorcycle work or other things? I have a 1/2 torque wrench. However, I almost exclusively use the 3/8 (or 1/4) ratchet when tightening down bolts on my bikes. Last time I needed the torque wrench was to set the cam holder bolts. I had to get new small sized sockets to fit the 1/2in torque wrench. I would get the 3/8s if you are going to have just one. Adam --- smthng else wrote: > On 6/25/05, Ian Schmidt > wrote: > > Just wondering what people feel is the better way > to > > go for sockets. I was looking at Torque wrenches > > today and was trying to decide. Decided to wait > and > > get some other opinions. So which is everyone's > > favorite, 3/8" or 1/2"? > > And why not both?!? :) Seriously, if you really > want to do > "torquing" right, you'll need a half-inch for the > higher torque values > and a 3/8 for the lower stuff. I have a fairly > cheap 1/2 that I use > that goes up to something like 250 foot pounds. I'd > expect it to be > accurate within about 5 pounds or so. But, I have a > 3/8 not-so-cheap > wrench that I use for the lower stuff (it's actually > "inch-pounds"), > but the quality is way better. It has that "good > tool feel" that the > 1/2 doesn't. > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 22:52:53 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3/8" vs. 1/2" To: you@XXXXXX, DCcycles Is this for motorcycle work or other things? I have a 1/2 torque wrench. However, I almost exclusively use the 3/8 (or 1/4) ratchet when tightening down bolts on my bikes. Last time I needed the torque wrench was to set the cam holder bolts. I had to get new small sized sockets to fit the 1/2in torque wrench. I would get the 3/8s if you are going to have just one. Adam --- smthng else wrote: > On 6/25/05, Ian Schmidt > wrote: > > Just wondering what people feel is the better way > to > > go for sockets. I was looking at Torque wrenches > > today and was trying to decide. Decided to wait > and > > get some other opinions. So which is everyone's > > favorite, 3/8" or 1/2"? > > And why not both?!? :) Seriously, if you really > want to do > "torquing" right, you'll need a half-inch for the > higher torque values > and a 3/8 for the lower stuff. I have a fairly > cheap 1/2 that I use > that goes up to something like 250 foot pounds. I'd > expect it to be > accurate within about 5 pounds or so. But, I have a > 3/8 not-so-cheap > wrench that I use for the lower stuff (it's actually > "inch-pounds"), > but the quality is way better. It has that "good > tool feel" that the > 1/2 doesn't. > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 22:53:57 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:53:41 -0400 From: skip To: Ian Schmidt CC: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3/8" vs. 1/2" really depends on what you're torquing. head bolts, probably going to want to 1/2 waterpump bolts, 3/8 better get them both. Ian Schmidt wrote: > > Just wondering what people feel is the better way to > go for sockets. I was looking at Torque wrenches > today and was trying to decide. Decided to wait and > get some other opinions. So which is everyone's > favorite, 3/8" or 1/2"? > > Ian > 04 R6...Zoe > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 25 23:43:23 2005 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:42:58 -0400 From: "ALEX MORSE" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Good route from DC to Hudson Valley/NYC area? Hi All My wife and I are riding up to Vermont again this summer and we're hoping to avoid interstates as much as possible while still making it to Burlington in 2 or 3 days. We've got an awesome route we've done before from NYC up the Hudson Valley to Rt. 7 in Connecticut and up through Chassamusettes to VT but I'm looking for a nice ride from DC to the NYC area. I've been told of a route that follows the Appalachian Trail through PA but I don't see anything like that on my road atlas. Any ideas for a pleasant (preferably rural) route to get through PA or NJ without dealing with the NJ Turnpike or Garden State or stop-n-go suburban streets? Thanks for any help, Alex Adams-Morgan 01 Bandit 12, nekkid, black From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 26 08:13:53 2005 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:13:50 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Good route from DC to Hudson Valley/NYC area? > My wife and I are riding up to Vermont again this summer and we're hoping to > avoid interstates as much as possible while still making it to Burlington in > 2 or 3 days. Alex - head towards York, PA. From York, head east. PA 462 parallels US 30 and is a much nicer road (30 it beat to death by trucks). Head towards Allentown on US 222, and then north out of Bethlehem on PA 33 to Stroudsburg (neat town - right out of the 50s or 60s). From Stroudsburg, pick up US250 through the Delaware Water Gap to Port Jervis, NY. At Port Jervis, go left on NY 42 for a few miles to the Hawk's Nest - a short stretch of VERY curvy stretch of road on the bluffs over the Delaware River with great views. It's only about a mile long, but it's only about 3 miles out of Port Jervis. Definitely worth the side trip. Alternate #1: Take US 6 out of Port Jervis to Middletown, NY, and a brief (5 or 6 miles) run on I-84 to Montgomery to visit the Orange County Chopper's shop. Alternate #2: Keep on US 209 to 9W, negotiate Albany (nothing compared to DC) and either keep north or swing east on 7 to Bennington, VT (another neat little town). Really no bad choices once you leave Albany. If you keep north, you will hit Lake George (of Americade fame). Anyhoo - that's the route that I normally take to that part of the country. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 26 08:18:06 2005 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:18:04 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Good route from DC to Hudson Valley/NYC area? > My wife and I are riding up to Vermont again this summer and we're hoping to > avoid interstates as much as possible while still making it to Burlington in > 2 or 3 days. Me again - Bethel, NY is the site of the original Woodstock. They've (the current property owners) have made a small park out of the site. There is a Hippie conclave a few miles away that seems to never quite have left after the original concert. A bit out of the way, but if you're into that sort of thing... A few pics and short videos here: http://michaelj.smugmug.com/gallery/194337/1/7396575 -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 26 08:30:04 2005 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:30:02 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3/8" vs. 1/2" > Just wondering what people feel is the better way to > go for sockets. I was looking at Torque wrenches > today and was trying to decide. Decided to wait and > get some other opinions. So which is everyone's > favorite, 3/8" or 1/2"? A 1/2 inch for anything over about 24 ft. lbs. (axles, mostly) and a 3/8 inch for everything else. I torque EVERYTHING to spec when putting things back together. It doesn't take any longer to use a torque wrench than it does a regular ratchet. Shop manuals typically provide torque specs on all fasteners. One thing that surprised me when I first started using a torque wrench is how little torque I was applying when the wrench said "Whoa". It would appear that I'd been stretching the hell out of fasteners all of my life. If you think that torque wrenches are expensive, price a new case or having a broken stud removed. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 26 08:34:19 2005 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:34:11 -0400 To: DCcycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3/8" vs. 1/2" At 08:30 AM 6/26/2005, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Just wondering what people feel is the better way to > > go for sockets. I was looking at Torque wrenches > > today and was trying to decide. Decided to wait and > > get some other opinions. So which is everyone's > > favorite, 3/8" or 1/2"? > >A 1/2 inch for anything over about 24 ft. lbs. (axles, mostly) and a >3/8 inch for everything else. > >I torque EVERYTHING to spec when putting things back together. It >doesn't take any longer to use a torque wrench than it does a regular >ratchet. Shop manuals typically provide torque specs on all fasteners. > >One thing that surprised me when I first started using a torque wrench >is how little torque I was applying when the wrench said "Whoa". It >would appear that I'd been stretching the hell out of fasteners all of >my life. > >If you think that torque wrenches are expensive, price a new case or >having a broken stud removed. Amen to that. Also, I prefer the click type wrenches myself It's much easier to determine when you've reached the right torque IMHO. The gauge type wrenches (which I also have), seem flimsy and the torque value on the needle is harder to read. Just don't buy a cheap click type torque wrench since they can be inaccurate. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 26 09:40:27 2005 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 06:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3/8" vs. 1/2" To: Adam Reinhardt , you@XXXXXX, DCcycles Yes for motorcycle work almost exclusively. Ian --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > Is this for motorcycle work or other things? > > I have a 1/2 torque wrench. However, I almost > exclusively use the 3/8 (or 1/4) ratchet when > tightening down bolts on my bikes. Last time I > needed > the torque wrench was to set the cam holder bolts. > I > had to get new small sized sockets to fit the 1/2in > torque wrench. I would get the 3/8s if you are > going > to have just one. > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > --- smthng else wrote: > > > On 6/25/05, Ian Schmidt > > wrote: > > > Just wondering what people feel is the better > way > > to > > > go for sockets. I was looking at Torque > wrenches > > > today and was trying to decide. Decided to wait > > and > > > get some other opinions. So which is everyone's > > > favorite, 3/8" or 1/2"? > > > > And why not both?!? :) Seriously, if you really > > want to do > > "torquing" right, you'll need a half-inch for the > > higher torque values > > and a 3/8 for the lower stuff. I have a fairly > > cheap 1/2 that I use > > that goes up to something like 250 foot pounds. > I'd > > expect it to be > > accurate within about 5 pounds or so. But, I have > a > > 3/8 not-so-cheap > > wrench that I use for the lower stuff (it's > actually > > "inch-pounds"), > > but the quality is way better. It has that "good > > tool feel" that the > > 1/2 doesn't. > > > > --smthng > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 26 13:16:58 2005 To: DC Cycles From: Randy Moran Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:16:48 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: 2003 Honda RC51 1000cc V-twin sport bike. 120+ HP/75+ foot lbs of torque. Perfect shape, never dropped. Slightly over 15K on the odometer. Hindle cans and intermediate pipe (w/ stock header), Power Commander III. I bought this bike new in February of '03 from the Motorcycle Factory in Woodbridge. I've used it to commute, for weekend back roading and for track days. It runs perfectly and has for the entire time I've owned it. I've changed the oil every 2-4k miles, and had the fork oil changed at around 13k. I have the Honda Factory extended warranty, which is transferrable, and all of the stock parts, (pipes and hardware to mount them) which are in perfect shape. I also have the Honda shop manual. $7500 email if interested, rjmoran@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 06:43:49 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:43:38 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Insurance question Hit a hell of a pot hole on an exit ramp I think, on one of 495's ramps. (sorry forgot which one) in MD. My back wheel is now bent. Does insurance cover this? Does it count as a strike against me? Does my deductible apply? (when does deductible apply/not apply)? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 07:22:16 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:22:10 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Mass. mc's might ride on shoulder http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/house/ht02/ht02017.htm Massachusetts House Bill no. 2017 An Act RELATIVE TO SEASONAL TRAFFIC RELIEF FOR MOTORCYCLE OPERATORS. ... When traffic is stopped or slowed to less than ten miles per hour, a motorcycle operator may: (a) Overtake and pass slowed or stopped vehicles by use of a breakdown and/or access lane, at a speed not to exceed twenty miles per hour; (b) When using a breakdown lane and/or access lane under these circumstances, the operator of the motorcycle must yield to emergency vehicles and disabled vehicles. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 07:26:43 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:26:39 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Insurance question > Hit a hell of a pot hole on an exit ramp I think, on one of 495's ramps. > (sorry forgot which one) in MD. My back wheel is now bent. > > Does insurance cover this? Does it count as a strike against me? > Does my deductible apply? (when does deductible apply/not apply)? Progressive covered three fronts and a rear over 10 years with no ill effects. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 07:53:00 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Insurance question To: DC-Cycles in order to answer these questions you need to read your policy. we have no idea what coverages you have, or what your contract says. do you carry comprehensive coverage? what is your deductible for comp? --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > Hit a hell of a pot hole on an exit ramp I think, on > one of 495's ramps. > > (sorry forgot which one) in MD. My back wheel is now > bent. > > > > Does insurance cover this? Does it count as a strike > against me? > > Does my deductible apply? (when does deductible > apply/not apply)? > > Progressive covered three fronts and a rear over 10 years > with no ill effects. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 08:13:16 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:13:02 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3/8" vs. 1/2" Ian Schmidt wrote: >Just wondering what people feel is the better way to >go for sockets. I was looking at Torque wrenches >today and was trying to decide. Decided to wait and >get some other opinions. So which is everyone's >favorite, 3/8" or 1/2"? > > On sport bikes I find 1/4" to be best. On my ST1300 3/8" is turning out to be the one I reach for. But for axles and such you'll need 1/2"... Tom de '03 ST1300 >Ian >04 R6...Zoe > > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Sports >Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 08:48:06 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Aaron Maurer'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Car jackings" Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:47:55 -0400 That sucks. Thanks for the heads up. I frequently ride in that area. I have family in that area. Another reason to be ultra aware of who's behind you and never take a direct way home if you know some one is following you. Art Silver -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" (cross-posted from the Potomac Vintage Rider's Web List, sorry about the formatting) Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING There have been several successful and unsuccessful attempts at "jacking" dirt bikes and ATV's lately. In College Park a truck with 2 db's was washing off at the US1 carwash when the truck and DB's were "jacked" at gunpoint 2 weeks ago. Last week a (Rob Choi) customer at Heyser cycle was getting his rear knobby mounted. When he left Heyser's he was unknowingly followed home. He opened his garage and went into his house, heard noises from the garage and found seveal guys trying to steal his bikes. There have been several bikes stolen from Heysers and other shops lately. A Western Powersports Distributor rep. on a sales cal at Heysers had 2 dirt bikes stolen from with inside his Dodge/Freightliner box truck while in Heysers. One of the employees (and his Dad) at The Dirt Shop in College Park was followed home with his 2 race bikes in his truck and several guys tried to " jack " him in front of his house. The Dirt Shop has had one '04 CR125 stolen by the same crew last Tuesday. They cut a Kryptonite cable and tossed the bike into a stolen Dodge Caravan. The "perp's returned 3 times on Thursday in attempting to steal a 4 wheelers from the service dept. Again they cut a Kryptonite cable in 30 sec. They were being watched the whole time , but they got away before the cops responded. They were not confonted directly because they had previously displayed a gun. On Sunday 6/26 at 6pm they drove a stolen Jeep Cherokee thru the service wall at The Dirt Shop in another attempt.(BTW...it took PG Police 1hr35min to respond!!! we were on scene for 1hr25 min. waiting)) They returned Monday at 9:26 AM while neighbors watched and again entered the damaged service area in another attempt before the store opened. I have heard reports about riders in the Laurel area being accosted by similar groups. NONE of THIS MAKES THE NEWS!! BE forewarned!!! This crew is 7 -9 young black teenagers (several are very young) driving stolen Jeep Cherokees ( a Laredo Style green with tinted windows, a newer style Cherokee black in color tinted windows, and one or more stolen "old style Dodge/Chrysler Caravan mini-vans. They are very brazen, and armed, and obviously don't give a sh*t about anything!! Ralph Flanagan The Dirt Shop Inc. For more info contact Luke Hughes at the store 301-474-2228. __________________ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 09:06:25 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Car jackings" Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 9:06:11 -0400 Next time you call the PG cops, tell then you think one of them has a gun. That'll get them out there.. -aki > > From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" > Date: 2005/06/27 Mon AM 08:47:55 EDT > To: "'Aaron Maurer'" , > DC-Cycles > > Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Car > jackings" > > That sucks. Thanks for the heads up. I frequently ride in that area. I have > family in that area. Another reason to be ultra aware of who's behind you > and never take a direct way home if you know some one is following you. > > Art Silver > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:13 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike > "Carjackings" > > (cross-posted from the Potomac Vintage Rider's Web List, sorry about > the formatting) > > > Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" > > WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING > > > There have been several successful and unsuccessful attempts > at "jacking" dirt bikes and ATV's lately. In College Park a truck > with > 2 db's was washing off at the US1 carwash when the truck and DB's > were "jacked" at gunpoint 2 weeks ago. Last week a (Rob Choi) > customer > at Heyser cycle was getting his rear knobby mounted. When he left > Heyser's he was unknowingly followed home. He opened his garage and > went into his house, heard noises from the garage and found seveal > guys trying to steal his bikes. > There have been several bikes stolen from Heysers and other > shops > lately. A Western Powersports Distributor rep. on a sales cal at > Heysers had 2 dirt bikes stolen from with inside his > Dodge/Freightliner box truck while in Heysers. > One of the employees (and his Dad) at The Dirt Shop in College > Park was followed home with his 2 race bikes in his truck and several > guys tried to " jack " him in front of his house. The Dirt Shop has > had one '04 CR125 stolen by the same crew last Tuesday. They cut a > Kryptonite cable and tossed the bike into a stolen Dodge Caravan. > The "perp's returned 3 times on Thursday in attempting to steal a 4 > wheelers from the service dept. Again they cut a Kryptonite cable in > 30 sec. They were being watched the whole time , but they got away > before the cops responded. They were not confonted directly because > they had previously displayed a gun. On Sunday 6/26 at 6pm they drove > a stolen Jeep Cherokee thru the service wall at The Dirt Shop in > another attempt.(BTW...it took PG Police 1hr35min to respond!!! we > were on scene for 1hr25 min. waiting)) They returned Monday at 9:26 > AM > while neighbors watched and again entered the damaged service area in > another attempt before the store opened. > I have heard reports about riders in the Laurel area being > accosted by similar groups. NONE of THIS MAKES THE NEWS!! BE > forewarned!!! > This crew is 7 -9 young black teenagers (several are very young) > driving stolen Jeep Cherokees ( a Laredo Style green with tinted > windows, a newer style Cherokee black in color tinted windows, and > one > or more stolen "old style Dodge/Chrysler Caravan mini-vans. They are > very brazen, and armed, and obviously don't give a sh*t about > anything!! > > Ralph Flanagan > The Dirt Shop Inc. > > For more info contact Luke Hughes at the store 301-474-2228. > __________________ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 09:11:32 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:11:19 +0000 Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike Aki proclaimed: Next time you call the PG cops, tell then you think one of them has a gun. That'll get them out there.. [Dave] NOT. Their response is not better to a reported drive by shooting than it is to a fender bender in a parking lot. Not to mention it's illegal to file a false police report or make false statements on a 911 call or to an officer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 09:38:15 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 9:38:08 -0400 > > From: "Dave Yates" > Date: 2005/06/27 Mon AM 09:11:19 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike > > Aki proclaimed: > Next time you call the PG cops, tell then you think one of them has a gun. That'll get them out there.. > > [Dave] NOT. Their response is not better to a reported drive by shooting than it is to a fender bender in a parking lot. Not to mention it's illegal to file a false police report or make false statements on a 911 call or to an officer. > Uh..*wrong* Dave. They may not respond any faster but it's not a false report. It's already been posted that they're suspected of being armed. DUH. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 09:58:17 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:58:10 +0000 Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike > Aki proclaimed: > Next time you call the PG cops, tell then you think one of them has a gun. That'll get them out there.. > > [Dave] NOT. Their response is not better to a reported drive by shooting than it is to a fender bender in a parking lot. Not to mention it's illegal to file a false police report or make false statements on a 911 call or to an officer. > Uh..*wrong* Dave. They may not respond any faster but it's not a false report. It's already been posted that they're suspected of being armed. DUH. [Dave] Aki, your typed words are right above. And I have called the PG cops for a 'gun call' near my parents house, and their response was far from cavalry like. In fact, it was close to 30 minutes. So you're saying that if you want a faster response - or not, but you want a chance at a faster response, just say there's a gun involved. After all, there *might* be, even if there's nothing to suggest it? Or perhaps I have it wrong. Why don't you clarify it? Here it is: "Next time you call the PG cops, tell then you think one of them has a gun. That'll get them out there.." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 10:11:06 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:10:59 -0400 > > From: "Dave Yates" > Date: 2005/06/27 Mon AM 09:58:10 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt > Bike > > > Aki proclaimed: > > Next time you call the PG cops, tell then you think one of them has a gun. That'll get them out there.. > > > > [Dave] NOT. Their response is not better to a reported drive by shooting than it is to a fender bender in a parking lot. Not to mention it's illegal to file a false police report or make false statements on a 911 call or to an officer. > > > > > Uh..*wrong* Dave. They may not respond any faster but it's not a false report. It's already been posted that they're suspected of being armed. DUH. > > > [Dave] Aki, your typed words are right above. And I have called the PG cops for a 'gun call' near my parents house, and their response was far from cavalry like. In fact, it was close to 30 minutes. ..well..that's an hour faster than the OP's call. ;-) > > So you're saying that if you want a faster response - or not, but you want a chance at a faster response, just say there's a gun involved. After all, there *might* be, even if there's nothing to suggest it? Or perhaps I have it wrong. Why don't you clarify it? ..why do I have to clarify that I'm still on topic and you weren't? I was replying to the original complaint that the cops took too long to respond. I replied, next you need to call the cops (on them), tell them they're armed. > > Here it is: > "Next time you call the PG cops, tell then you think one of them has a gun. That'll get them out there.." > ..also, (and now I'm going off-topic), it's pretty damn hard for the cops to prove that you were not in fear of your life because you *think* one of them may be armed. ..believe me, if I had a bunch of unsavory types in *my* garage, and I feared for my or my familys life, I have absolutely no qualms calling 911 and telling them that I believe they may have a weapon. Any group that is willing to do something that brazen in front of people are the most likely to not be afraid to use violence to get away. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 10:14:47 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:14:42 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Interesting clip http://www.squizzle.com/movieview.asp?id=4242 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 11:20:44 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Car jackings" Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:17:19 -0400 My wife with her keen eye for details sent this: Not that I'm doubting the problem....but how did this get forwarded to you on Saturday (6/25) when they said one of the incidents happened on 6/26? That was yesterday. And that they came back on Monday morning at 9:26 - that's in 7 minutes. ??? Sounds weird. Anyone else notice this. Art Silver -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" (cross-posted from the Potomac Vintage Rider's Web List, sorry about the formatting) Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING There have been several successful and unsuccessful attempts at "jacking" dirt bikes and ATV's lately. In College Park a truck with 2 db's was washing off at the US1 carwash when the truck and DB's were "jacked" at gunpoint 2 weeks ago. Last week a (Rob Choi) customer at Heyser cycle was getting his rear knobby mounted. When he left Heyser's he was unknowingly followed home. He opened his garage and went into his house, heard noises from the garage and found seveal guys trying to steal his bikes. There have been several bikes stolen from Heysers and other shops lately. A Western Powersports Distributor rep. on a sales cal at Heysers had 2 dirt bikes stolen from with inside his Dodge/Freightliner box truck while in Heysers. One of the employees (and his Dad) at The Dirt Shop in College Park was followed home with his 2 race bikes in his truck and several guys tried to " jack " him in front of his house. The Dirt Shop has had one '04 CR125 stolen by the same crew last Tuesday. They cut a Kryptonite cable and tossed the bike into a stolen Dodge Caravan. The "perp's returned 3 times on Thursday in attempting to steal a 4 wheelers from the service dept. Again they cut a Kryptonite cable in 30 sec. They were being watched the whole time , but they got away before the cops responded. They were not confonted directly because they had previously displayed a gun. On Sunday 6/26 at 6pm they drove a stolen Jeep Cherokee thru the service wall at The Dirt Shop in another attempt.(BTW...it took PG Police 1hr35min to respond!!! we were on scene for 1hr25 min. waiting)) They returned Monday at 9:26 AM while neighbors watched and again entered the damaged service area in another attempt before the store opened. I have heard reports about riders in the Laurel area being accosted by similar groups. NONE of THIS MAKES THE NEWS!! BE forewarned!!! This crew is 7 -9 young black teenagers (several are very young) driving stolen Jeep Cherokees ( a Laredo Style green with tinted windows, a newer style Cherokee black in color tinted windows, and one or more stolen "old style Dodge/Chrysler Caravan mini-vans. They are very brazen, and armed, and obviously don't give a sh*t about anything!! Ralph Flanagan The Dirt Shop Inc. For more info contact Luke Hughes at the store 301-474-2228. __________________ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 11:52:02 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:51:53 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Car jackings" Cc: DC-Cycles Fantastic points. I might have just have unintentionally started a gun thread without meaning to on the basis of a suspect email. I'm not gonna call "Luke Hughes" to verify. Does anyone else want to? On 6/27/05, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > My wife with her keen eye for details sent this: > > Not that I'm doubting the problem....but how did this get forwarded to you > on Saturday (6/25) when they said one of the incidents happened on 6/26? > That was yesterday. And that they came back on Monday morning at > 9:26 - that's in 7 minutes. ??? > Sounds weird. Anyone else notice this. > Art Silver > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:13 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike > "Carjackings" > > (cross-posted from the Potomac Vintage Rider's Web List, sorry about > the formatting) > > > Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Carjackings" > > WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING > > > There have been several successful and unsuccessful attempts > at "jacking" dirt bikes and ATV's lately. In College Park a truck > with > 2 db's was washing off at the US1 carwash when the truck and DB's > were "jacked" at gunpoint 2 weeks ago. Last week a (Rob Choi) > customer > at Heyser cycle was getting his rear knobby mounted. When he left > Heyser's he was unknowingly followed home. He opened his garage and > went into his house, heard noises from the garage and found seveal > guys trying to steal his bikes. > There have been several bikes stolen from Heysers and other > shops > lately. A Western Powersports Distributor rep. on a sales cal at > Heysers had 2 dirt bikes stolen from with inside his > Dodge/Freightliner box truck while in Heysers. > One of the employees (and his Dad) at The Dirt Shop in College > Park was followed home with his 2 race bikes in his truck and several > guys tried to " jack " him in front of his house. The Dirt Shop has > had one '04 CR125 stolen by the same crew last Tuesday. They cut a > Kryptonite cable and tossed the bike into a stolen Dodge Caravan. > The "perp's returned 3 times on Thursday in attempting to steal a 4 > wheelers from the service dept. Again they cut a Kryptonite cable in > 30 sec. They were being watched the whole time , but they got away > before the cops responded. They were not confonted directly because > they had previously displayed a gun. On Sunday 6/26 at 6pm they drove > a stolen Jeep Cherokee thru the service wall at The Dirt Shop in > another attempt.(BTW...it took PG Police 1hr35min to respond!!! we > were on scene for 1hr25 min. waiting)) They returned Monday at 9:26 > AM > while neighbors watched and again entered the damaged service area in > another attempt before the store opened. > I have heard reports about riders in the Laurel area being > accosted by similar groups. NONE of THIS MAKES THE NEWS!! BE > forewarned!!! > This crew is 7 -9 young black teenagers (several are very young) > driving stolen Jeep Cherokees ( a Laredo Style green with tinted > windows, a newer style Cherokee black in color tinted windows, and > one > or more stolen "old style Dodge/Chrysler Caravan mini-vans. They are > very brazen, and armed, and obviously don't give a sh*t about > anything!! > > Ralph Flanagan > The Dirt Shop Inc. > > For more info contact Luke Hughes at the store 301-474-2228. > __________________ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 12:05:59 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting clip To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's nice. Not sure where the finish line was but that was a fun clip. --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > http://www.squizzle.com/movieview.asp?id=4242 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 12:32:01 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:31:59 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] passing it on...Subject: WARNING: Dirt Bike "Car jackings" > Fantastic points. I might have just have unintentionally started a > gun thread without meaning to on the basis of a suspect email. Not even close - when we get a gun thread going, you'll know it ;-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 12:39:15 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:39:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting clip To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anyone catch what bike that is? Looks like a Kaw ZX-10 to me. Car looks like a 911 Turbo. 2004 ZX-10: 0-60mph = 2.9 sec, top speed should be about 200mph 2004 911 Turbo: 0-62mph = 4.2 sec, top speed = 189mph I expected the bike to out accelerate both plane and car, but didn't expect the car to catch up and pass it like it was standing still. Maybe at the high end of both, I figured the car would gradually pull on the bike, but not like that. Bike had a can on it, so it was tinkered with.....maybe it was also geared for the 1/4 mile? Who knows what the car had done to it. Something happened for the car to pass the bike like that. Regardless, neat vid. Thanks. - Jimmy --- Ian Schmidt wrote: > That's nice. Not sure where the finish line was but > that was a fun clip. > > --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.squizzle.com/movieview.asp?id=4242 > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 12:49:15 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:49:13 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting clip > I expected the bike to out accelerate both plane and car, but didn't > expect the car to catch up and pass it like it was standing still. HP:Weight governs acceleration - the bike has that in spades over the car, and the plane is not directly coupled to the runway, so it is using a fluid to accelerate. HP & aerodynamics govern top end - the plane is the obvious winner, and the car comes in second. At high speeds, the aerodynamics of the car coupled with its horsepower come into play and say adieu to the relatively aerodynamically dirty bike. Sean and I play the same game with my GSX1100G nekkid bike and his CBR1000. I don't even see him until about (mumblety) MPH whereupon his superior HP and faired bike go whizzing past. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 14:28:09 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:28:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Custer To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] MSF-ERC , 12 Grins, and I've been out but . . . De Boeser, Tom asked: )B“Back in the '90s there was a MFS class for experienced riders. Doesthis class still exist? If so, where and what are the requirements?)B” )B“It's called the ERC (Experienced Rider Course).” [Carl]: Yup and if yer lucky, our MSF Instructor from W(BG)V will come out of hiding and tell you when he)B’s teaching the next one in Hedgesville, WV. (Really nice truck training track.) "W.S." 12 Grins -- DC-Wise Va. trip report 1. Wise Va. [Carl]: Just 31.5 miles from Lynch, KY . . . but Rt. 160 is not for the inexperienced. 2. )B“Me too”: Took off Friday at 13:00 for Willville campground . Buddy with me had not done Skyline so we did it. Kept to 5-10 above the 35 MPH limit and the sole LEO that we saw just waved angrily at us to slow down. Ran the BRP to rt 60 when my Buddy)B’s Sabre (VF700F) needed fuel. Oh yeah. $2.07.99 in Buena Vista. Slabbed a bit, ended up in Floyd, VA just before the Odd Fellows restaurant closed at 21:00. Pitched tent in on the porch and hauled it into the dark (Gotta love dome tents.) Saturday a local led us a small group of us to Falling Rock State park via Squirrel Spur Road, (Ohhh nice pavement but the cliff is leaking gravel in some awkward corners.) Rt. 66 and many side roads. Also 799 off the BRP and Rt 750 (Alum Ridge) were right nice (recommended by Will). Returned Sunday via BRP, I-64, and Rt. 29. Riding unprotected and its consequences: David Blumgart )B“ There is, for example, high turnover of the burn ward nursing staff because they find watching the patients' suffering unendurable. )B“ [Carl]: A few years ago, a Maggot suggested to a group of squids that they try taking a running leap on the road. When they replied )B“Nuh uh doo-ud.” He asked ‘em what did they think a 30 MPH )B“get off” would feel like? Then he related the )B“poser value” of good gear and it)B’s obvious protective value. Blumgart Declared: )B“I've started wearing the mesh jacket and gloves again.)B” [Carl]: Yup my Phoenix is great in DC traffic. The )B“Stich was great on the BRP but slogging up 29 Sunday afternoon was awful. Dang ST offers too much wind protection :^) Carl in Bethesda ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 14:33:35 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] need to borrow a tank bag I'm picking up a 2002 SV650 this weekend from NH and riding it down but have no luggage for it as yet. Can anyone spare a tankbag for a few days? My mobility options are a little constrained but I'll try to meet you wherever. I work at the Pentagon and live in Springfield. My cell doesn't work in the 5-sided crazy house. so for after-hours you can try 773-742-2982 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 14:55:57 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] need to borrow a tank bag To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've got one of these http://www.newenough.com/joe_rocket_sport_tank_bag_page.htm . You can borrow it (bottom or top/bottom) if you like - best I can do is meet you at my work (NW DC) during business hours. However, you may want to search around on the net and make sure the SV doesn't have any problems fitting tank bags. I'd hate to get all the way up there and realize the tank bag you brought doesn't safely fit the SV. IMO, I'd probably wear a comfortable backpack, without knowing the particulars of the bike and/or tank bag. e.g- the above tank bag will "flap" the magnetic wings at speeds + 80mph with the top portion attached, on my nekkid bike. With a larger fairing or without the top part attached, it stays secure well over 100mph. - Jimmy --- matthew patton wrote: > I'm picking up a 2002 SV650 this weekend from NH and riding it down > but > have no luggage for it as yet. Can anyone spare a tankbag for a few > days? My mobility options are a little constrained but I'll try to > meet > you wherever. I work at the Pentagon and live in Springfield. > > My cell doesn't work in the 5-sided crazy house. so for after-hours > you > can try 773-742-2982 > > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 14:57:56 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] need to borrow a tank bag Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:57:49 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "matthew patton" , I have a tank bag, an mg 150 I am at 1150 North Glebe road during the day if you need one Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] need to borrow a tank bag I'm picking up a 2002 SV650 this weekend from NH and riding it down but have no luggage for it as yet. Can anyone spare a tankbag for a few days? My mobility options are a little constrained but I'll try to meet you wherever. I work at the Pentagon and live in Springfield. My cell doesn't work in the 5-sided crazy house. so for after-hours you can try 773-742-2982 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 19:13:22 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:13:11 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: chris01@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Mass. mc's might ride on shoulder Cc: List-dc cycles Nice to see some pro MC & common sense legislation being passed. On 6/27/05, Chris Norloff wrote: > http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/house/ht02/ht02017.htm > > Massachusetts House Bill no. 2017 > > An Act RELATIVE TO SEASONAL TRAFFIC RELIEF FOR MOTORCYCLE OPERATORS. > ... > When traffic is stopped or slowed to less than ten miles per hour, a motorcycle operator may: > (a) Overtake and pass slowed or stopped vehicles by use of a breakdown and/or access lane, at a speed not to exceed twenty miles per hour; > (b) When using a breakdown lane and/or access lane under these circumstances, the operator of the motorcycle must yield to emergency vehicles and disabled vehicles. > ... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 19:27:53 2005 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:27:42 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] re: insurance / pothole of course i'm not expecting anyone to be psychic and know my coverage.. and I will call my INS co but i was figuring a few listers would be experienced with this, and we could talk general insurance co policies.. and it's good to spread the knowledge anyway.. Do INS companies drop you after so many claims wether you're at fault or not? or only when you're at fault? I'm with state farm, full coverage, and I haven't made a claim in my 5 years except when I had a bike stolen a couple of years ago. I have an 03 gsxr 1000 now. If the claim does count against me as "one more claim towards being dropped" then i'll just buy a used wheel out of pocket... but if it's "you're not at fault so it doesn't count against you" then I might as well file a claim and have them cut me a check for the cost of wheel & labor that the dealer would charge, and still buy a used one, and do the labor myself. ( no lien). So i'm sure I and fellow listers could use a quick primer, of "in general" do "road debri/damage" no fault claims still count as a claim towards gettng your rates boosted or getting you dropped? what's your experience? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 27 19:40:14 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] re: insurance / pothole Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:40:11 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f5090988b3e2a032ac92553be4add49b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Do INS companies drop you after so many claims wether you're at fault or not? or only when you're at fault? I'm with state farm, full coverage, and I haven't made a claim in my 5 years except when I had a bike stolen a couple of years ago. [Dave] I had a friend that I knew from high school. He was a bit of a screw up. While on his mom's insurance company, he wrecked 3 or 4 times, 2 were severe, and he filed claims at least for vandalism, tires slashed, etc. It could be said he was an insurance agent's nightmare. The company sent his mother a letter - be cancelled, or drop your son from the policy. Stunningly, after some pleading from his mom, they reversed... Boy would they ever regret that... Not long after this, he got a new truck, had a minor fender bender (or 2), and a couple more comp claims. This time the company sent a letter indicating that they would only continue coverage for either driver if the son signed saying he could not file any more claims, period. I always wondered what would happen if he really hurt someone would they deny coverage, and fortunately I never found out. I'd be willing to bet they'd cancel you after you cross the profit/risk threshold... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 09:36:18 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:36:13 -0400 From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop Does any know the name of the MC shop in Herndon? I thought I found a number for them but there address is not Herndon? Thanks Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 09:39:59 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:36:45 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker * I didn't know 15 had any curves near Haymarket. At least none that would cause a problem. Speed was a factor. I don't think he was a lister. Vienna man killed in motorcycle crash * By DAVID STEGON dstegon@XXXXXX Tuesday, June 28, 2005 A 23-year-old Vienna man died after losing control of his motorcycle and being thrown into oncoming traffic Sunday evening near Haymarket, a Prince William County police spokesman said. Arya Avesta, of 1226 Carper)B’s Farm Way, was pronounced dead at the scene of the accident on John Marshal Highway about two-tenths of a mile west of Turner Road around 5:26 p.m. said 1st Sgt. Kim Chinn, police spokesman. Avesta was driving east on John Marshal Highway when he lost control of his 2002 Honda motorcycle while going around a curve, police said. He was ejected from the motorcycle and thrown into oncoming traffic where a 2005 Volvo driving west struck and killed him, police said. The Volvo)B’s driver, a 72-year-old Warrenton man, had no fault in the accident and will not face any charges, Chinn said. Avesta)B’s speed was a factor in the crash, police said. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 09:40:17 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:40:15 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop Champion Motorsports 632 Grant Street Herndon, VA 20170 (703) 471-6990 On 6/28/05, Richard Westbrook wrote: > Does any know the name of the MC shop in Herndon? I thought I found a number > for them but there address is not Herndon? > > Thanks > Rich > > > -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 09:45:20 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:45:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker Very sad news... but the curve didn't kill him... -----Original Message----- From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker * I didn't know 15 had any curves near Haymarket. At least none that would cause a problem. Speed was a factor. I don't think he was a lister. Vienna man killed in motorcycle crash * By DAVID STEGON dstegon@XXXXXX Tuesday, June 28, 2005 A 23-year-old Vienna man died after losing control of his motorcycle and being thrown into oncoming traffic Sunday evening near Haymarket, a Prince William County police spokesman said. Arya Avesta, of 1226 Carper)B’s Farm Way, was pronounced dead at the scene of the accident on John Marshal Highway about two-tenths of a mile west of Turner Road around 5:26 p.m. said 1st Sgt. Kim Chinn, police spokesman. Avesta was driving east on John Marshal Highway when he lost control of his 2002 Honda motorcycle while going around a curve, police said. He was ejected from the motorcycle and thrown into oncoming traffic where a 2005 Volvo driving west struck and killed him, police said. The Volvo)B’s driver, a 72-year-old Warrenton man, had no fault in the accident and will not face any charges, Chinn said. Avesta)B’s speed was a factor in the crash, police said. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 09:51:08 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:50:40 -0400 From: skip To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker it was the volvo that got him. we should outlaw volvos Dave Yates wrote: > > Very sad news... but the curve didn't kill him... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 09:36 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker > > * > I didn't know 15 had any curves near Haymarket. At least none that would > cause a problem. Speed was a factor. I don't think he was a lister. > > Vienna man killed in motorcycle crash > * > By DAVID STEGON > dstegon@XXXXXX > Tuesday, June 28, 2005 > > A 23-year-old Vienna man died after losing control of his motorcycle and > being thrown into oncoming traffic Sunday evening near Haymarket, a > Prince William County police spokesman said. > > Arya Avesta, of 1226 Carper)B’s Farm Way, was pronounced dead at the scene > of the accident on John Marshal Highway about two-tenths of a mile west > of Turner Road around 5:26 p.m. said 1st Sgt. Kim Chinn, police spokesman. > > Avesta was driving east on John Marshal Highway when he lost control of > his 2002 Honda motorcycle while going around a curve, police said. > > He was ejected from the motorcycle and thrown into oncoming traffic > where a 2005 Volvo driving west struck and killed him, police said. > > The Volvo)B’s driver, a 72-year-old Warrenton man, had no fault in the > accident and will not face any charges, Chinn said. > > Avesta)B’s speed was a factor in the crash, police said. > > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 09:52:15 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:52:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Thanks for the info. They moved. That's why I was confused about what shop it was. Here's the new address from their website --------------- Come Check Our NEW LOCATION: Come join us Wednesday June 15th, at our new location on Old Ox Road in Herndon.)B  Our current building was sold and we are moving just across town.)B  We are just down from the Herndon Police Station on Route 606/Old OX road.)B  The address is 23035 Douglas Ct. Sterling, VA 20166.)B  We are 1/2 mile from route 28, east on rt. 606.  Our phone number is still the same.)B  Please call for more details. ----------------- On 6/28/05 9:40 AM, "Michael Jordan" wrote: > Champion Motorsports > 632 Grant Street > Herndon, VA 20170 > (703) 471-6990 > > On 6/28/05, Richard Westbrook wrote: >> Does any know the name of the MC shop in Herndon? I thought I found a number >> for them but there address is not Herndon? >> >> Thanks >> Rich >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 09:54:29 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:54:20 -0400 He was on DCSportbikes.com, I recently was on 2 rides w/ him. He had an F4i, he said he was getting ready to sell it to pay for school. He always had a smile on his face and seemed very nice. John Marshall is 55, not 15 btw. >From: Mike Troutman >Reply-To: mike@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:36:45 -0400 > > * >I didn't know 15 had any curves near Haymarket. At least none that would >cause a problem. Speed was a factor. I don't think he was a lister. > >Vienna man killed in motorcycle crash >* >By DAVID STEGON >dstegon@XXXXXX >Tuesday, June 28, 2005 > >A 23-year-old Vienna man died after losing control of his motorcycle and >being thrown into oncoming traffic Sunday evening near Haymarket, a Prince >William County police spokesman said. > >Arya Avesta, of 1226 Carper)B’s Farm Way, was pronounced dead at the scene of >the accident on John Marshal Highway about two-tenths of a mile west of >Turner Road around 5:26 p.m. said 1st Sgt. Kim Chinn, police spokesman. > >Avesta was driving east on John Marshal Highway when he lost control of his >2002 Honda motorcycle while going around a curve, police said. > >He was ejected from the motorcycle and thrown into oncoming traffic where a >2005 Volvo driving west struck and killed him, police said. > >The Volvo)B’s driver, a 72-year-old Warrenton man, had no fault in the >accident and will not face any charges, Chinn said. > >Avesta)B’s speed was a factor in the crash, police said. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 10:19:12 2005 From: rjmoran@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:19:04 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cmptb3JhbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== > >I didn't know 15 had any curves near Haymarket. At least none that would > >cause a problem. I believe that's the point on 55, near Beverly Mill (the burned-out mill that one can see across 66 from 55), where the road goes (very briefly) to a double lane-divided config. It is a favorite place for passing slower traffic, and the curve can handle some pretty high speed. It is definitely a curve, though, and the normal "crazy sport-biker" speeds attained through there mean mistakes cost more. Sucks for all involved. Imagine how the old guy in the Volvo feels. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 10:35:23 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:35:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop To: Michael Jordan , DC-Cycles Champion recently relocated to: 23035 Douglas Ct. #101 Sterling, VA 20166 703-471-6990 Same folks, new location. - Jimmy --- Michael Jordan wrote: > Champion Motorsports > 632 Grant Street > Herndon, VA 20170 > (703) 471-6990 > > On 6/28/05, Richard Westbrook > wrote: > > Does any know the name of the MC shop in Herndon? I thought I > found a number > > for them but there address is not Herndon? > > > > Thanks > > Rich > > > > > > > > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 10:36:35 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:36:30 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "rjmoran@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I believe that's the point on 55, near Beverly Mill (the burned-out mill that one can see across 66 from 55), where the road goes (very briefly) to a double lane-divided config. It is a favorite place for passing slower traffic, and the curve can handle some pretty high speed. It is definitely a curve, though, and the normal "crazy sport-biker" speeds attained through there mean mistakes cost more. That be the place - road does a left-right "S" curve and kinks left again (eastbound). -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 10:39:44 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:39:42 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop Cc: DC-Cycles > Champion recently relocated to: > > 23035 Douglas Ct. #101 > Sterling, VA 20166 > 703-471-6990 That's interesting - there was a Kawasaki shop (don't remember the name) in the same general location that Champion bought and relocated to Herndon. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 10:46:09 2005 From: "Keiser, Rudy" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:45:39 -0400 I think it's at the other end of the same building where Rhodes Cycle was. Rudy '01 SV650 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: James O'Connor Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop > Champion recently relocated to: > > 23035 Douglas Ct. #101 > Sterling, VA 20166 > 703-471-6990 That's interesting - there was a Kawasaki shop (don't remember the name) in the same general location that Champion bought and relocated to Herndon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 10:47:12 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:47:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop From: Richard Westbrook To: Michael Jordan , "James O'Connor" CC: DC-Cycles I could be the same shop. The shop is very close to old town Herndon, but has a Sterling address. On 6/28/05 10:39 AM, "Michael Jordan" wrote: >> Champion recently relocated to: >> >> 23035 Douglas Ct. #101 >> Sterling, VA 20166 >> 703-471-6990 > > That's interesting - there was a Kawasaki shop (don't remember the > name) in the same general location that Champion bought and relocated > to Herndon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 10:49:17 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:49:08 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think they meant to say RE-relocated to. That's where the Kaw shop was what over 3 years ago? They (called Champion as I recall) bought the multi-line dealer (can't remember their name) on the main drag in Herndon across from the K-mart. Guess they're back to their original digs. The original place across from the Police station was TINY. Maybe they now own the spaces to either side or a different building in the same business park? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 10:50:05 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:49:41 -0400 From: skip To: Michael Jordan CC: "James O'Connor" , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop the kawasaki shop is gone from its former location... I first saw the ZRX there, and came within seconds of buying it. When I was looking again, I went by there, but they were gone. Michael Jordan wrote: > > > Champion recently relocated to: > > > > 23035 Douglas Ct. #101 > > Sterling, VA 20166 > > 703-471-6990 > > That's interesting - there was a Kawasaki shop (don't remember the > name) in the same general location that Champion bought and relocated > to Herndon. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 10:53:42 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:53:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop To: skip , Michael Jordan Cc: "James O'Connor" , DC-Cycles fyi - last time I was at Champion (few weeks ago), they still had some leftover '03-'04 ZRX's. can probably wiggle the price down quite a bit. - Jimmy ZRXing daily --- skip wrote: > the kawasaki shop is gone from its former location... I first saw > the > ZRX there, and came within seconds of buying it. When I was > looking > again, I went by there, but they were gone. > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 11:19:27 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:18:56 -0400 From: skip CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop Guess who's going to talk to them at lunch! --skip James O'Connor wrote: > > fyi - last time I was at Champion (few weeks ago), they still had > some leftover '03-'04 ZRX's. can probably wiggle the price down > quite a bit. > > - Jimmy > ZRXing daily > > --- skip wrote: > > > the kawasaki shop is gone from its former location... I first saw > > the > > ZRX there, and came within seconds of buying it. When I was > > looking > > again, I went by there, but they were gone. > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 15:34:30 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:34:17 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker On 6/28/05, Dave Yates wrote: > Very sad news... but the curve didn't kill him... I agree, it's always bad when a fellow rider bites it, but... Curves don't kill bikers... bikers do. :S --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 15:37:59 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:37:51 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Herndon Motorcycle shop On 6/28/05, matthew patton wrote: > digs. The original place across from the Police station was TINY. Maybe > they now own the spaces to either side or a different building in the > same business park? The new place is NOT large. But, they have two floors... accessories and dirt bikes are up stairs (I wonder if riding them down the stairs could be considered part of a test ride) and the main street bike show room is downstairs. The bikes are PACKED in there right now. They have a small shop in the back, but there's another one in the same complex somewhere with the dyno and a few other service areas for the big jobs. Regardless, they're still generally great people and are my favorite shop. ps. Don't scratch the VMax... a co-worker just bought it. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 15:45:25 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Curve on 15 kills biker Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:45:17 -0400 Definitely not a great way to start the Summer. My prayers to all parties and families involved. Be careful out there, everyone! Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 18:15:37 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:15:23 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Key blank -- evidently hyper-rare Thanks to those who gave keyblank purchase suggestions. So far the not-from-earth comments have continued from these places who certainly are the area top tier key people. Have a couple left, but let this be a caution when buying an unbranded key product(there is no brand marking on key or cable). I like the item so much have even explored re-cylindering it - met with frowns. If there is success, I'll post the rare-blank champion. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Probably not Japanese - 'twould be an insult. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. (there is no brand marking on key or cable). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 18:17:31 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:17:19 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Powersport sporting Kawasaki For any who may be interested -- Popped into Colemans Falls Church today: Was informed that they've been back dealing Kaws for a month. Seemed like limited parts stock to this point but bikes are on the floor. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > What goes around . . .. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 28 19:26:32 2005 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:26:24 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Jackass gets off with fine and 2 tickets. Some of you folks may remember the naked squid that killed himself last year on 15 south of FDK; his buddy filming him finally went to court. http://www.courttv.com/trials/news/0605/03_naked_ap.html -Rob Norris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 07:36:36 2005 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? While looking into the HOV lanes this morning on I-395 it was apparent T-storms are in the forecast due to lack of motorcycles. But something else I noticed and I notice time and time again are non VA LEO's using the HOV to beat traffic. Anyone else ever notice this? I saw not one but two different fed cops in there this morning. Nice double standard I guess. Glenn ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 07:42:38 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 7:42:32 -0400 Doesn't bother me that much, the sight of *any* LEO keeps the (otherwise) violaters at bay just that much longer. -aki > > From: Glenn Dysart > Date: 2005/06/29 Wed AM 07:36:23 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? > > While looking into the HOV lanes this morning on I-395 > it was apparent T-storms are in the forecast due to > lack of motorcycles. But something else I noticed and > I notice time and time again are non VA LEO's using > the HOV to beat traffic. Anyone else ever notice > this? I saw not one but two different fed cops in > there this morning. Nice double standard I guess. > > Glenn > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 07:46:21 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:46:08 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX This was in Dr. Gridlock recently. All LEOs have the right to use the HOV lanes anytime. A perc of the job I guess. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" To: Subject: SPAM: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? > While looking into the HOV lanes this morning on I-395 > it was apparent T-storms are in the forecast due to > lack of motorcycles. But something else I noticed and > I notice time and time again are non VA LEO's using > the HOV to beat traffic. Anyone else ever notice > this? I saw not one but two different fed cops in > there this morning. Nice double standard I guess. > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 08:05:46 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:05:36 -0400 It seems like any high ranking gov worker gets to ride in HOV. I love seeing the 4 State Troopers at most exits off of 66. I don't see enough patrolling on 395 though. I'm sick of Hybrids, they're clogging HOV. >From: Glenn Dysart >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? >Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:36:23 -0700 (PDT) > >While looking into the HOV lanes this morning on I-395 >it was apparent T-storms are in the forecast due to >lack of motorcycles. But something else I noticed and >I notice time and time again are non VA LEO's using >the HOV to beat traffic. Anyone else ever notice >this? I saw not one but two different fed cops in >there this morning. Nice double standard I guess. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 08:13:04 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:12:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? I'm sick of Hybrids, they're clogging HOV. [Dave] I'm sick of HOV taking away valuable road real estate from the rest of us... Just think while the pathetic amount out commuters using HOV are cruising along, those who are HOV Negative are sitting at choke points poisoning the atmosphere with exhaust fumes... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 08:14:02 2005 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah it annoys me sometimes but at the same time it does make some people think twice in the HOV. My annoyance is more from the lack of enforcement of cars with too few passengers to be in HOV. I can't count the number of times that I see cars with one person or 2, which is closer but still not correct. They really ought to have cops at the on ramps or just after the on ramps to catch those people. And No I'm not mistakening the hybrid cars I'm talking about regular cars. Although, that's a whole nother can of worms that I won't get into. Ian --- Bruce N wrote: > This was in Dr. Gridlock recently. All LEOs have the > right to use the HOV > lanes anytime. A perc of the job I guess. > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Dysart" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:36 AM > Subject: SPAM: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone > else off? > > > > While looking into the HOV lanes this morning on > I-395 > > it was apparent T-storms are in the forecast due > to > > lack of motorcycles. But something else I noticed > and > > I notice time and time again are non VA LEO's > using > > the HOV to beat traffic. Anyone else ever notice > > this? I saw not one but two different fed cops in > > there this morning. Nice double standard I guess. > > > > Glenn > > > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 08:21:38 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 8:21:24 -0400 HOV2 is ok on the toll road. -aki > > From: Ian Schmidt > Date: 2005/06/29 Wed AM 08:13:54 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? > > Yeah it annoys me sometimes but at the same time it > does make some people think twice in the HOV. My > annoyance is more from the lack of enforcement of cars > with too few passengers to be in HOV. I can't count > the number of times that I see cars with one person or > 2, which is closer but still not correct. They really > ought to have cops at the on ramps or just after the > on ramps to catch those people. And No I'm not > mistakening the hybrid cars I'm talking about regular > cars. Although, that's a whole nother can of worms > that I won't get into. > > Ian > > --- Bruce N wrote: > > > This was in Dr. Gridlock recently. All LEOs have the > > right to use the HOV > > lanes anytime. A perc of the job I guess. > > > > Bruce > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Glenn Dysart" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:36 AM > > Subject: SPAM: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone > > else off? > > > > > > > While looking into the HOV lanes this morning on > > I-395 > > > it was apparent T-storms are in the forecast due > > to > > > lack of motorcycles. But something else I noticed > > and > > > I notice time and time again are non VA LEO's > > using > > > the HOV to beat traffic. Anyone else ever notice > > > this? I saw not one but two different fed cops in > > > there this morning. Nice double standard I guess. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 08:54:54 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Dr. Corona'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Jackass gets off with fine and 2 tickets. Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:54:40 -0400 Yeah Ben Meachum (sp?)was once part of phase one stunt team is still promoting stunt shows. He sent some girls over to Starbucks last Thursday. His dad is rich so he pretty much gets away with anything. IMO he should be in jail and anyone associated with him. Art -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Corona [mailto:drcorona@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Jackass gets off with fine and 2 tickets. Some of you folks may remember the naked squid that killed himself last year on 15 south of FDK; his buddy filming him finally went to court. http://www.courttv.com/trials/news/0605/03_naked_ap.html -Rob Norris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 10:04:41 2005 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:04:35 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: 2 questions From my brother: anyone care to gander # 2 how bad is it to let it rain on your bike? and 2, when i am on a hill and stop at a red light, put it in neutral, rest back i tend to put my foot on the rear brake so i don't go back until light goes green, is that bad for rear brake to rest on it like that? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 10:13:32 2005 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:13:26 -0400 From: skip To: Julian Halton , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 2 questions Julian Halton wrote: > > > > >From my brother: anyone care to gander # 2 > > how bad is it to let it rain on your bike? it's not bad if you ride it regularly. > and 2, when i am on a hill and stop at a red light, put it in neutral, > rest back i tend to put my foot on the rear brake so i don't go back > until light goes green, is that bad for rear brake to rest on it like > that? no, it's not bad for the brakes to do that. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 10:14:05 2005 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:10:57 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 2 questions If it weren't for the rain, my bike might never get cleaned! As long as you have a good coat of wax, the acid rain shouldn't hurt your paint. You might see a little surface rust on rotors and chain, which will be gone 30 seconds into your next ride. Just lube up when you get home, or on your regular schedule. Why would resting your rear brake on a hill hurt it? I can't imagine. Julian Halton wrote: > > > >>From my brother: anyone care to gander # 2 > >how bad is it to let it rain on your bike? > >and 2, when i am on a hill and stop at a red light, put it in neutral, >rest back i tend to put my foot on the rear brake so i don't go back >until light goes green, is that bad for rear brake to rest on it like >that? > > > > > > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 10:22:52 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "Julian Halton" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 2 questions Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:22:31 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX Riding in the rain is no problem for the bike other than spreading filth into every crack and crevice. Storing a bike outside in all weather can be tough on it. It's usually pretty easy to tell if a bike has been parked outside a lot as it'll have mild corrosion on lots of parts. Holding the bike on a hill with the rear brake is just fine although I wouldn't recommend sitting in neutral. If you keep it in gear you're ready for anything coming up from behind, plus you can start off on the uphill slope without having to swap feet to put the bike in 1st gear. Also you can work the rear brake against the clutch for a smooth uphill start. My .02, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: 2 questions > From my brother: anyone care to gander # 2 > > how bad is it to let it rain on your bike? > > and 2, when i am on a hill and stop at a red light, put it in neutral, > rest back i tend to put my foot on the rear brake so i don't go back > until light goes green, is that bad for rear brake to rest on it like > that? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 10:57:22 2005 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:42:06 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 2 questions At 10:04 AM 6/29/05 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >>From my brother: anyone care to gander # 2 > >how bad is it to let it rain on your bike? Worse than it not raining, but any bike that can't get wet needs a redesign. It should still work just fine wet...though you may get accelerated rusting if it stays that way too long and have anything that isn't protected by intact powdercoat, paint, chrome, rubber or whatever. >and 2, when i am on a hill and stop at a red light, put it in neutral, >rest back i tend to put my foot on the rear brake so i don't go back >until light goes green, is that bad for rear brake to rest on it like >that? No, but it might be bad for your health to be at a red light out of gear and not staying alert. Being in gear and alert may not save you either, but at least it gives you a fighting chance in at least some bad scenarios. Personally, I prefer the front brake while stopped...lets me put both feet on the ground to support the bike. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 12:39:35 2005 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:39:32 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 2 questions > how bad is it to let it rain on your bike? That's called a "Bike Wash" if it weren't for the occasional rainstorm, I'd never get the bugs off my bike. Any day good enough to wash it is good enough to ride it. > and 2, when i am on a hill and stop at a red light, put it in neutral, > rest back i tend to put my foot on the rear brake so i don't go back > until light goes green, is that bad for rear brake to rest on it like > that? No -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 17:08:56 2005 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:08:46 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Does this piss anyone else off? I like HOV... I usually use it during non HOV hours and get to bypass a lot of merging exits I don't need.. I just dislike slow drivers in the fast HOV lane. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 29 18:35:34 2005 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:35:23 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 2 questions > From my brother: anyone care to gander # 2 > > how bad is it to let it rain on your bike? Not a problem, jsut be sure to regularly lube chain and DON'T FORGET TO LUBE YOUR IGNITION CYLINDER!!!! > and 2, when i am on a hill and stop at a red light, put it in neutral, > rest back i tend to put my foot on the rear brake so i don't go back > until light goes green, is that bad for rear brake to rest on it like > that? What everyone else said, with one addition... if you've just finished doing a real hard stop (or a series of them) on the rear brake, don't use it when stopped. You can cook the pads and rotors (yes, it's rare and extreme, but it can happen). My general method is to use heavy braking with the front, then use the back to hold it in place after I've stopped, letting the front cool if I had to do a really hard stop. If you're a rear braker, reverse that (and take a class, QUICKLY!) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 13:34:30 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:34:22 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? Making comparisons is what drives competition and performance. Never having ridden a litre sport bike for any length of time, I find myself what the difference is between say my R6 and an R1. The big caveat I always here is that cornering is entirely different. Well for those that wonder..here is an interesting comparison I came across in Cycle World. The rider: Oriol Fernandez of Motorciclismo magazine, seasoned Super Sport Racer The track: Valencia The bikes: Kawi ZX-6R Ducati 999S Kawi ZX-10R They had him ride the three bikes they considered best in class and hooked him up to a data acquisition system Front Straight: Kawi ZX-6R: 148mph Ducati 999S 152mph Kawi ZX-10R 161mph Turn 1: Kawi ZX-6R: 74mph Ducati 999S 73mph Kawi ZX-10R 70mph Turn 2: Kawi ZX-6R: 34mph Ducati 999S 37mph Kawi ZX-10R 37mph Turn 3: Kawi ZX-6R: 82mph Ducati 999S 85mph Kawi ZX-10R 79mph Turn 4: Kawi ZX-6R: 52mph Ducati 999S 50mph Kawi ZX-10R 51mph Turn 5: Kawi ZX-6R: 54mph Ducati 999S 48mph Kawi ZX-10R 52mph Turn 6: Kawi ZX-6R: 50mph Ducati 999S 49mph Kawi ZX-10R 49mph Back Straight Kawi ZX-6R: 124mph Ducati 999S 126mph Kawi ZX-10R 131mph Turn 7: Kawi ZX-6R: 45mph Ducati 999S 47mph Kawi ZX-10R 45mph Turn 8: Kawi ZX-6R: 103mph Ducati 999S 105mph Kawi ZX-10R 102mph Turn 9: Kawi ZX-6R: 42mph Ducati 999S 41mph Kawi ZX-10R 42mph Middle Straight Kawi ZX-6R: 64mph Ducati 999S 63mph Kawi ZX-10R 65mph Turn 10: Kawi ZX-6R: 64mph Ducati 999S 63mph Kawi ZX-10R 65mph Turn 11: Kawi ZX-6R: 108mph Ducati 999S 110mph Kawi ZX-10R 109mph Turn 12: Kawi ZX-6R: 43mph Ducati 999S 42mph Kawi ZX-10R 43mph LAP TIME Kawi ZX-6R: 145.936 Ducati 999S 144.604 Kawi ZX-10R 143.823 Interesting data, that on a litre bike versus the 600cc by the same manufacturer he gains 2.113 secs and this is according to the pub, an experienced Super Sport Racer! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 14:03:37 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX So, to the mere mortal street rider, why not just stick with a "600", right? Based on these numbers, I agree. If a pro can only pull 2 seconds difference (which is huge on the track...for a pro) - the difference can't be much for us mortals. I wonder if most us mortals, in reality would turn better laptimes and have better experiences on the street with a 600 than a 1000 - because of the power....or excess of power. I suspect seat of the pants feel is noteably different between the 600 and 1000 sportbike, but how this relates to speed carried through the turns is probably negligible. If my current bike came in anything smaller than 1200ccs, I would likely have bought the smaller version. With so many sport bikes having a 1000 mini-me in the 600 size, I'm not sure why so many street riders buy the 1000. Very interesting comparision CW did. - Jimmy --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > Making comparisons is what drives competition and performance. > Never > having ridden a litre sport bike for any length of time, I find > myself > what the difference is between say my R6 and an R1. The big caveat > I > always here is that cornering is entirely different. Well for > those > that wonder..here is an interesting comparison I came across in > Cycle > World. > Interesting data, that on a litre bike versus the 600cc by the same > manufacturer he gains 2.113 secs and this is according to the pub, > an > experienced Super Sport Racer! ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 14:12:09 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:11:57 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? James O'Connor wrote: > With so many sport bikes > having a 1000 mini-me in the 600 size, I'm not sure why so many > street riders buy the 1000. because it's a f*cking litre bike! :~) skip, no replacement for displacement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 14:34:23 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:35:21 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: - Jimmy wrote: If my current bike came in anything smaller than 1200ccs, I would likely have bought the smaller version. With so many sport bikes having a 1000 mini-me in the 600 size, I'm not sure why so many street riders buy the 1000. Very interesting comparision CW did. Those numbers sure give some food for thought but we have to remember that this is a racetrack comparison. I'd love to ride on the track but it's simply not in the cards for me. My riding is done strictly on the street and there's a lot to be said for displacment. The problem I've always had with 600cc bikes (I've had 3) is that "cruising velocity" on the highways of a 600cc is too "busy" for lack of a better term. When riding at the peak torque, vibes can be intense; upshifting to drop the revs means having to downshift when cell yacker decides to merge into your space without looking. I'd love to have the power and torque of a liter bike for my daily commuting, even if it meant losing some of the manuverability of the smaller bike. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA - From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 14:47:01 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:46:50 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Those numbers sure give some food for thought but we have to remember that this is a racetrack comparison. I'd love to ride on the track but it's simply not in the cards for me. My riding is done strictly on the street and there's a lot to be said for displacment. The problem I've always had with 600cc bikes (I've had 3) is that "cruising velocity" on the highways of a 600cc is too "busy" for lack of a better term. When riding at the peak torque, vibes can be intense; upshifting to drop the revs means having to downshift when cell yacker decides to merge into your space without looking. I'd love to have the power and torque of a liter bike for my daily commuting, even if it meant losing some of the manuverability of the smaller bike. that is one of the things that I like about my current ride, an 85 v65 sabre -- in 6th gear, 65mph, just roll the throttle a bit and you're passing everyone. there really is something cathartic about dispatching a cage with extreme prejudice and very little effort. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 14:56:57 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:56:49 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? On 6/30/05, Julian Halton wrote: > Making comparisons is what drives competition and performance. Never > having ridden a litre sport bike for any length of time, I find myself > what the difference is between say my R6 and an R1. The big caveat I > always here is that cornering is entirely different. Well for those > that wonder..here is an interesting comparison I came across in Cycle > World. > Interesting data, that on a litre bike versus the 600cc by the same > manufacturer he gains 2.113 secs and this is according to the pub, an > experienced Super Sport Racer! Keep in mind that the track makes a big difference. While I'm not familiar with Valencia, I'm going to assume that it's got three straights, but they're relatively short. The rest of the track is most likely all turns. This is where a 600 will outshine a 1000 (and I seem to recall Julian's recent track day showing the same thing). For flat out speed, a 1000 will crush a 600. But, as soon as you start talking about turning, the 600's should generally fair much better than a corresponding 1000. If you look at the specs Julian tossed out and you only consider the Kwaks, the 600 has the highest speed on almost every section except for the straights and entering turns 10 and 11 after the third straight (they're probably not incredibly tight turns compared to the others). Considering the Duc stats, I'd have to say that it probably handles almost as well as the 600, but doesn't have quite the power that the 1000 does (the major difference in speeds on the straights indicates this). This is one of the reasons I have always liked the 600 super sports. I'd take Julian's R6 over an R1 any day. The extra 400cc's on the R1 isn't worth the difference in handling versus the R6, IMO. A well set-up 600 will crush an equivalent 1000 on a tight track. On the road, we rarely get to use the power of a 1000 anyway, so it's mostly just extra wieght that's being carried around and muscled through turns. BTW... until recently, the same concept did NOT apply to naked bikes... As an example (and staying in the Yamaha family), the FZ1 would destroy an FZ6 in almost all areas. The new FZ6 flipped that theory on it's ass. It's almost an R6 without the fairing now. Two years ago, I'd would have taken an FZ1 over an FZ6 any day (and did - my previous bike was an FZ1). Now, I'm not so sure... I'd probably get an FZ6. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 15:03:22 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:03:15 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? >upshifting to drop the revs means having to downshift when cell yacker decides to merge into your space without looking. I'd love to have the power and torque of a liter bike for my daily commuting, even if it meant losing some of the manuverability of the smaller bike. Good point, but I still drop two gears on my 1300 when dispatching cagers with EXTREME prejudice. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 15:32:30 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:33:30 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: there really is something cathartic about dispatching a cage with extreme prejudice and very little effort. --skip A mantra to live by.... Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 16:11:55 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:11:52 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: skip Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > that is one of the things that I like about my current ride, an 85 v65 > sabre -- in 6th gear, 65mph, just roll the throttle a bit and you're > passing everyone. Ditto for my GSX1100G - that puppy will pull smoothly from about 28MPH to somewhere in excess of 135MPH (indicated). I will admit that it really doesn't get really interesting until about 5500RPM. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 16:24:58 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:24:46 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? If you were buying a bike for the track, the unseasoned racer probably would want a 600 as the best bang for buck ratio... Now let's toss in some real world data 1. Riding passengers, the extra CC's is nice to still have extreme performance 2. On the street you don't want to push your bike to it's full potential, especially in the curves, so you'd be an idiot to ride either bike as fast as it can go through every street curve, so that point is moot 3. There are plenty of highways where you can go tripple digits, if your timing is right, where traffic is almost empty.. and it's nice to go the speed you want, get there quicker. 4. Today's litre sport bikes are as light as the 600's. 5. How did they measure "curve speed". At what point in the curve do they mark the speed.. I would imagine if you marked the line farther at the end of the curve, the litre bike could pick up more speed.. If you mark the going in speed, that could just be the rider's own personal speed that he's used to. 6. One rider comparison does not an acurate study make. It's scientific folly. 7. Time me from DC to Balt on a 600 and 1000 :) then tell me a 600 is almost as fast. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 17:01:02 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:00:52 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!!!!! I am free all day Sunday. who's up for a ride? 211/west virginia/where ever leave early-ish (8 or 9) return whenever. if the mood strikes, I've got a place to stay in WV that will sleep 3 or 4 in beds, more on couches. --skip, looking forward to getting lost again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 20:22:37 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:22:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [VStrom2] NVSC---WOW!!!! Check this out & prepare to make room in your garage. Cross posted from the VStrom list: Friend just forwarded this link---it's news to me, then again, the coconut wireless can be a bit behind the times. jim http://www.motorcycledaily.com/29june05_2006kawasaki_er6n.htm General VStrom Information at: http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/VStrom.html VStrom Community FAQ: http://vstrom.info/fom-serve/cache/1.html ________________________________ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "VStrom2" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: VStrom2-unsubscribe@XXXXXX Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ________________________________ -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 30 22:02:47 2005 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:02:31 -0400 From: "ALEX MORSE" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Good route from DC to Hudson Valley/NYC area? Hello All -- I posted this last Sunday which probably wasn't the best time if I was hoping for many responses, so I'll try again. Thanks. My wife and I are riding up to Vermont again this summer and we're hoping to avoid interstates as much as possible while still making it to Burlington in 2 or 3 days. We've got an awesome route we've done before from NYC up the Hudson Valley to Rt. 7 in Connecticut and up through Chassamusettes to VT but I'm looking for a nice ride from DC to the NYC area. I've been told of a route that follows the Appalachian Trail through PA but I don't see anything like that on my road atlas. Any ideas for a pleasant (preferably rural) route to get through PA or NJ without dealing with the NJ Turnpike or Garden State or stop-n-go suburban streets? Thanks for any help, Alex Adams-Morgan 01 Bandit 12, nekkid, black