From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 08:07:14 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:07:01 EDT Subject: Re: defective tire? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/31/2004 11:44:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, corey@XXXXXX writes: > he can't get them to hold a > bead. I would like more information please. What exactly does he mean will not hold a bead? Does he mean the tire will not stay seated once the bead has "popped" into place? That it will not seat at all? That it goes past the seat? The only explanations I can think of off hand is 1: wrong size tire. 2: broken cords. 3: bad, broken, or not tubeless type wheel. We all know how hard it is to get a tire off the seat once it is on the it and breaking the (wire) cords that hold the tire on the seat is damn hard to do. If the problem is getting the tire to seat at all, then it is one I have seen before (8 yrs. mechanic) and that can be a pain in the ass, BUT it can be overcome with a little skill. (This is usually caused by removing the cardboard inserts that manufacturers put into tires to keep the bead from collapsing, and then stacking the tires, squashing the sides together. The company you ordered from is going to want these answers before they give any kind of refund anyhow I would think. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 09:04:18 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:03:32 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: defective tire? On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 5/31/2004 11:44:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > corey@XXXXXX writes: > > > he can't get them to hold a > > bead. > > I would like more information please. > What exactly does he mean will not hold a bead? Does he mean the tire will While I'm no "expert" I have mounted quite a few tires. Maybe he means it won't hold air before it seats on the bead? I've had that happen, you just have to wiggle the tire around and get it to almost seat on the bead. I can't see it sliping off the bead itself once it pops on. At least not without visible damange to the tire. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 10:30:57 2004 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:33:26 -0400 To: "Michael Jordan" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder - sportbike friendly? At 08:33 AM 5/29/04 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >> Exerpt at the end taken from online interview. Fellow riders, >> please give some honest feedback as to whether these are true >> statements in your experiences. > >There do tend to be a few Harleys present... > >But I've seen (almost) everything there. Yep, there were lots of bikes there that weren't Harleys...even some that aren't any known manufacturer (home made...including some pretty amazing trikes). I was parked next to a Honda (V Star?) with a couple of Shadows, a BMW and a couple of Goldwings nearby. The rest of the nearest bikes were Harleys, except for one of the bikes in the MC-HOGs group that was a Suzuki (ridden by the SO of one of the sales folks from Battleys ;-). If you wandered around a bit you could probably find one of almost everything. I didn't see a lot of race-style sport bikes though, but there probably were some. Mostly cruisers and tour bikes. >The only recurring problem area is >the line for the Porta-Johns ;-). I haven't experienced any "attitudes" >there. Agreed, and me neither. There were about 75+ portajohns, with 15-30 people in line for each pretty much continuously. I found the lines shorter near a couple of generators, so I stuck in my ear plugs and headed that way. Took about 15 minutes to get through the line. Everyone was very friendly, lots of chatting and politeness, and no problems at all. Folks were wearing everything from leather vests with Vietnam unit designations to JR mesh jackets to T-shirts with various things on them to halter tops. Didn't see, or hear of, anybody having a problem with anyone else for any reason. >Go - it's a great experience. I agree with all of that. It was my first time for this event, and it was well worth going. Just seeing the looks on the faces of the veterans in the crowd along the route would have made it worthwhile... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 10:57:15 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder - sportbike friendly? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:56:45 -0400 I was there and I ride a GSXR600 our group had r6, Duc 748, two Kawasaki 250 another Gsxr600, and a Honda shadow. What a good time. Yep your right I saw every kind of bike. I even saw a Riddly (sp?) from NY, tiny little bike. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:33 AM To: Michael Jordan; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder - sportbike friendly? At 08:33 AM 5/29/04 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >> Exerpt at the end taken from online interview. Fellow riders, >> please give some honest feedback as to whether these are true >> statements in your experiences. > >There do tend to be a few Harleys present... > >But I've seen (almost) everything there. Yep, there were lots of bikes there that weren't Harleys...even some that aren't any known manufacturer (home made...including some pretty amazing trikes). I was parked next to a Honda (V Star?) with a couple of Shadows, a BMW and a couple of Goldwings nearby. The rest of the nearest bikes were Harleys, except for one of the bikes in the MC-HOGs group that was a Suzuki (ridden by the SO of one of the sales folks from Battleys ;-). If you wandered around a bit you could probably find one of almost everything. I didn't see a lot of race-style sport bikes though, but there probably were some. Mostly cruisers and tour bikes. >The only recurring problem area is >the line for the Porta-Johns ;-). I haven't experienced any "attitudes" >there. Agreed, and me neither. There were about 75+ portajohns, with 15-30 people in line for each pretty much continuously. I found the lines shorter near a couple of generators, so I stuck in my ear plugs and headed that way. Took about 15 minutes to get through the line. Everyone was very friendly, lots of chatting and politeness, and no problems at all. Folks were wearing everything from leather vests with Vietnam unit designations to JR mesh jackets to T-shirts with various things on them to halter tops. Didn't see, or hear of, anybody having a problem with anyone else for any reason. >Go - it's a great experience. I agree with all of that. It was my first time for this event, and it was well worth going. Just seeing the looks on the faces of the veterans in the crowd along the route would have made it worthwhile... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 11:11:41 2004 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "Paul Wilson" , "Rob Sharp" , "Troutman" , Subject: Re: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:11:33 -0400 > From: "Paul Wilson" > > It's harassment, pure and simple, in an attempt to "do something" and to get > the squids to go play somewhere else. You're not solving the problem, > you're merely moving it on down the road to someone else's beat. I don't like it either, but in fairness to the *authorities*, one segment of the sportbike community has given us all a black eye out their. I've been riding up / down the mountain at maybe 65 and been passed by riders going at least 20 - 30 mph faster. And those same riders do crash with distressing regularity. That kind of riding on the public roads gives us a bad rep every bit as much as the "loud pipes save lives" crowd. And just like the "loud pipers" got bike bans imposed in many locations, maturity-impaired sportbikers are going to produce similar results. Take it to the track, folks. Bob Meyer Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '01 ST1100 A, "teSTarossa" '92 ST1100, "red STag" '02 919, "still looking for a name" A steady job and a wife have ruined more good bikers.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 11:44:32 2004 From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:44:05 -0400 I am been lurking on the this thread for a little while and have a few thoughts... 1. What else do you expect the cops/govt to do.... Personally, I don't like the lower speed limit - but the only other way to reduce the speed other than lower limits is to post a popo unit constantly on weekends.. I would rather it be a lower limit... I am sure bikes are their main target - but if we (royal we - pertaining to all bikers) didn't wreck and make a nusiance of ourselves - it wouldn't be an issue.. Sure their are different types of riders, but I am sure the locals and the cops don't know the difference and probably don't care... 2. Yeah - sure the squid community - will try and move to another location like 33... But 33 is more rural and not as heavily traveled - sure it's a thru road, but there are fewer houses nearby... So, isn't it better that the locals won't complain as much if local hot spot is moved off the beaten path... Places like deals gap have just as many accidents - but it seems to be more acceptable...... Also, 33 is further out than 211 - so I would imagine less riders will go that far out... 3. I have done some traveling on two wheels - and I have always seen the squids closer to major metropolitian areas... I don't see as many out in the countryside (ok, ohio is the exception).. So in't it better to push out toward the boonies ... If it takes less time to go to places like summit point cause it's closer and easier than treking out to the country - isn't that better since it will be a track where things are more contained and organized? Just some thoughts.... jason -----Original Message----- From: Bob Meyer [mailto:rmeyer9@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:12 AM To: Paul Wilson; Rob Sharp; Troutman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" > From: "Paul Wilson" > > It's harassment, pure and simple, in an attempt to "do something" and to get > the squids to go play somewhere else. You're not solving the problem, > you're merely moving it on down the road to someone else's beat. I don't like it either, but in fairness to the *authorities*, one segment of the sportbike community has given us all a black eye out their. I've been riding up / down the mountain at maybe 65 and been passed by riders going at least 20 - 30 mph faster. And those same riders do crash with distressing regularity. That kind of riding on the public roads gives us a bad rep every bit as much as the "loud pipes save lives" crowd. And just like the "loud pipers" got bike bans imposed in many locations, maturity-impaired sportbikers are going to produce similar results. Take it to the track, folks. Bob Meyer Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '01 ST1100 A, "teSTarossa" '92 ST1100, "red STag" '02 919, "still looking for a name" A steady job and a wife have ruined more good bikers.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 12:03:37 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:02:36 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Jason Picton wrote: > toward the boonies ... If it takes less time to go to places like summit > point cause it's closer and easier than treking out to the country - isn't > that better since it will be a track where things are more contained and > organized? > Well, I'm sure most would prefer to ride Summit instead, however, at ~$150 a day plus waiting till the track day, etc, it makes it less attractive to the "I want it now" crowd. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 12:22:54 2004 From: Jason Picton To: "'dan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:22:29 -0400 hmmm $150 for track day..... hmmm how much does it cost for a ticket? and/or how much to replace bike parts such as fairing... etc... Jason -----Original Message----- From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:03 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Jason Picton wrote: > toward the boonies ... If it takes less time to go to places like summit > point cause it's closer and easier than treking out to the country - isn't > that better since it will be a track where things are more contained and > organized? > Well, I'm sure most would prefer to ride Summit instead, however, at ~$150 a day plus waiting till the track day, etc, it makes it less attractive to the "I want it now" crowd. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 12:26:31 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:26:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Jason Picton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" -----Original Message----- From: Jason Picton Sent: Jun 1, 2004 11:44 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" I am been lurking on the this thread for a little while and have a few thoughts... 1. What else do you expect the cops/govt to do.... --------------- That is *precisely* the problem, I don't have very high expectations when it comes to gubmint action. There is a big difference between doing "something" and doing the right thing or the effective thing. (See also Airline Security). Government is doing the "normal" reactive, ineffective thing. Case in point: kid gets killed inside a house, due to stray bullet. DC cops do a full court press, put the squeeze on a few snitches, and mirabile dictu, collar a suspect in the killing. A month goes by, it blows over, the press, the do-gooders and pundits lose interest, and things return to normal, to wit: young male criminals roaming around, armed. If one has sharp eyes, one might discover, buried somewhere in the Metro section, that the case has gone to trial some day. Is the neighborhood any safer? A moto-related example: remember that laughable publicity stunt called "Operation Road Rocket" in Maryland? Are there fewer "road rocket" incidents in MD now? Right. Take a trip down 50 or 301 any warm summer night and lemme know what you find. I guess I'm trying to say it's the culture in both cases. Unless you change the culture, all the law enforcement in the world isn't going to be effective. And, even worse, the rest of us get to enjoy being caught up in this anti-moto dragnet in the meantime, until such time that the police lose interest, as they always do. I just wish the "authorities" would expend the same energy in the service of rider training, where demand vastly outstrips capacity in our area. Let's try to instill a lifetime of good riding habits, and not just get people to behave only if Officer Friendly is in their mirrors. Lots of things can be done there, for not much money, but it's not flashy and visible to the general public. We could start by not making newbie riders wait four months to take the rider course, esp. in the spring when everyone has the jones to ride. There are always going to be idiots out there on two wheels, but let's make more of an effort to reach out and mentor them. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 12:34:03 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:33:00 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Jason Picton wrote: > hmmm $150 for track day..... hmmm how much does it cost for a ticket? and/or > how much to replace bike parts such as fairing... etc... > C'mon, do you reall think that most people think they will get caught? And as far as parts, mountain or track, its the same. Plenty people wad them either place. Rider safety is probably the best selling point. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 12:37:58 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:37:14 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: local chroming? I need to get a tail pipe re-chromed, guess I'm running a bit lean and managed to yellow it up a bit. New part $113. I'm thinking re-chroming it might be the cheaper route. Any recommendations? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 13:25:31 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:25:17 EDT Subject: Re: defective tire? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/1/2004 9:04:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dan@XXXXXX writes: > Maybe he means it > won't hold air before it seats on the bead? That is why I said... >> If the problem is getting the tire to seat at all, then... And explained the usual cause. I suppose I could have been more clear. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 13:31:13 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:31:01 EDT Subject: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/1/2004 11:11:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rmeyer9@XXXXXX writes: > Take it to the track, folks. And get their asses whipped? Most of the ones I have seen could not keep up with a skilled rider on a Moped at a race track. I have said it before. I have great respect for those who race on the track. None at all for those who race on the street. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 13:43:59 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:43:49 EDT Subject: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/1/2004 12:26:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: > I just wish the "authorities" would expend the same energy in the service of > rider training, where demand vastly outstrips capacity in our area. Damn straight! > There are always going to be idiots out there on two wheels, Which brings up "Johns Equation of Idiots on Motorcycles" Start with an _I_diot on a _M_otorcycle or I/M Subtract (outlaw) the _M_otorcycle. You are left with _I_. Do you think _I_ is going to walk? Take the subway? Hell no. _I_ is going to get the badest, fastest car he can find and ride it just like he rode his bike. Are you safer? Is your family safer? Do you really want an _I_diot riding 2_tons_ of deadly weapon? That argument usually gives pause to the "outlaw sportbike/motorcycle crowd." John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 13:54:33 2004 From: "Jefferson Parke" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: motorcycle trailer Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:54:33 -0400 Does anyone have a motorcycle trailer that I could borrow or rent from this Friday evening to Saturday evening? I would be towing behind an Explorer down to Charlotte NC and then back up with my nused 1990 VFR. Thanks, Jeff _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 14:12:55 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:13:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Parking near Union Station? Can anyone direct me to MC parking during weekdays near union station? I have a new client over there and would like to ride in when I get a chance. Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 14:16:35 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Jun 2004 18:15:58 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:16:24 -0500 Subject: Parking near Union station There is four hour MC parking at G St. & North Capitol, next to the old GPO building -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 14:43:52 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer To: Jefferson Parke , dc-cycles@XXXXXX If no one on the list comes through, U-haul rents single bike trailers for around $10-15 per day. Might be worth calling around to couple spots to see if they have one. Adam --- Jefferson Parke wrote: > Does anyone have a motorcycle trailer that I could > borrow or rent from this > Friday evening to Saturday evening? I would be > towing behind an Explorer > down to Charlotte NC and then back up with my nused > 1990 VFR. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get > it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 14:46:40 2004 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:49:04 -0400 To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder - sportbike friendly? At 10:56 AM 6/1/04 -0400, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >I was there and I ride a GSXR600 our group had r6, Duc 748, two Kawasaki 250 >another Gsxr600, and a Honda shadow. What a good time. Yep your right I saw >every kind of bike. I even saw a Riddly (sp?) from NY, tiny little bike. At Battley's, where we formed up for the ride down, there was a guy on a Cushman scooter parked in front of me. Had his grandson with him. However, when I got back after the pre-ride speech, he was gone. Apparently someone had mentioned to him that the ride would include I-270, the Beltway and G.W. Parkway...and I guess his scooter couldn't handle the speeds. Too bad, his heart was in the right place... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 15:12:15 2004 From: To: Adam Reinhardt , Jefferson Parke , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:12:08 -0400 Prob is that U-Haul won't rent to anyone who's using an Explorer. Atleast for the enclosed ones. I don't know if it also applies to open trailers. -aki > > From: Adam Reinhardt > Date: 2004/06/01 Tue PM 02:43:37 EDT > To: Jefferson Parke , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer > > If no one on the list comes through, U-haul rents > single bike trailers for around $10-15 per day. Might > be worth calling around to couple spots to see if they > have one. > > > Adam > > > --- Jefferson Parke > wrote: > > Does anyone have a motorcycle trailer that I could > > borrow or rent from this > > Friday evening to Saturday evening? I would be > > towing behind an Explorer > > down to Charlotte NC and then back up with my nused > > 1990 VFR. > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get > > it now! > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 15:15:25 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Rolling Thunder - sportbike friendly? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:15:18 -0400 > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/06/01 Tue PM 02:49:04 EDT > To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , > Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder - sportbike friendly? > > At 10:56 AM 6/1/04 -0400, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > >I was there and I ride a GSXR600 our group had r6, Duc 748, two Kawasaki 250 > >another Gsxr600, and a Honda shadow. What a good time. Yep your right I saw > >every kind of bike. I even saw a Riddly (sp?) from NY, tiny little bike. > > At Battley's, where we formed up for the ride down, there was a guy on a > Cushman scooter parked in front of me. Had his grandson with him. > However, when I got back after the pre-ride speech, he was gone. > Apparently someone had mentioned to him that the ride would include I-270, > the Beltway and G.W. Parkway...and I guess his scooter couldn't handle the > speeds. Too bad, his heart was in the right place... > > > -- Mike B. > considering that the ride (from Patriot) also included the Beltway and GW Parkway, he wouldn't have a problem since it was rare to go over 40mph. Most of the time we never went over 35mph. About 4,000 bikes turned out at Patriot. We ended up in the overflow on the South Pentagon parking lot. Got there at 10am and finally pulled out of the parking lot close to 3pm. South parking lot had *one* porta potty and the South lot was as full as the Northside. Averaged about an hour and a half waiting in line. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 15:32:21 2004 From: "Jefferson Parke" To: adamme1@XXXXXX, ajreinhardt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:32:22 -0400 And that's exactly the problem that I'm having :( >From: >To: Adam Reinhardt ,Jefferson Parke >,dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:12:08 -0400 > >Prob is that U-Haul won't rent to anyone who's using >an Explorer. Atleast for the enclosed ones. I don't >know if it also applies to open trailers. > >-aki > > > > > From: Adam Reinhardt > > Date: 2004/06/01 Tue PM 02:43:37 EDT > > To: Jefferson Parke , >dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer > > > > If no one on the list comes through, U-haul rents > > single bike trailers for around $10-15 per day. Might > > be worth calling around to couple spots to see if they > > have one. > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > --- Jefferson Parke > > wrote: > > > Does anyone have a motorcycle trailer that I could > > > borrow or rent from this > > > Friday evening to Saturday evening? I would be > > > towing behind an Explorer > > > down to Charlotte NC and then back up with my nused > > > 1990 VFR. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get > > > it now! > > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 15:37:31 2004 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:30:58 -0400 From: Skip To: Paul Wilson CC: Jason Picton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" Paul Wilson wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Picton > Sent: Jun 1, 2004 11:44 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" > > I am been lurking on the this thread for a little while and have a few > thoughts... > > 1. What else do you expect the cops/govt to do.... > --------------- > That is *precisely* the problem, I don't have very high expectations when it comes to gubmint action. [snip good stuff] now you're just talking crazy, Paul. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 16:37:07 2004 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:39:41 -0400 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer At 03:12 PM 6/1/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >Prob is that U-Haul won't rent to anyone who's using >an Explorer. Atleast for the enclosed ones. I don't >know if it also applies to open trailers. What?!? Have they got a reason?? It certainly can't be a towing capacity limit... They've rented trailers to me with my Jeep GC in the past. I won't deal with them anymore though. That idiocy about fingerprinting all customers was the last straw... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 16:43:35 2004 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:45:55 -0400 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: RE: Rolling Thunder - sportbike friendly? At 03:15 PM 6/1/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> From: Mike Bartman >> At 10:56 AM 6/1/04 -0400, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >> At Battley's, where we formed up for the ride down, there was a guy on a >> Cushman scooter parked in front of me. Had his grandson with him. >> However, when I got back after the pre-ride speech, he was gone. >> Apparently someone had mentioned to him that the ride would include I-270, >> the Beltway and G.W. Parkway...and I guess his scooter couldn't handle the >> speeds. Too bad, his heart was in the right place... > >considering that the ride (from Patriot) also included >the Beltway and GW Parkway, he wouldn't have a problem >since it was rare to go over 40mph. Most of the time >we never went over 35mph. I think we hit 55 a couple of times. Bernie (leader) said he would stick with 45 the whole way, so if anyone else saw anything else it would be "slinky effect". >About 4,000 bikes turned out at Patriot. We ended up in the >overflow on the South Pentagon parking lot. Got there at >10am and finally pulled out of the parking lot close to 3pm. I don't know how many Battley's had, but one estimate was about 1200. I was about 80 bikes back from the front, and I never saw the tail... We left Battley's at 9am on the dot (GPS time), and got parked about 10am. We were halfway across in the North Lot, and pulled out just before 2pm I think...we were through the whole route by 2:38pm anyway. >South parking lot had *one* porta potty and the South lot was as full as the Northside. Averaged about an hour and a half waiting in line. Ouch. I counted at least 75 in the north lot. I guess they weren't expecting to have to use the south lot? Hope they adjust things for next time. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 16:45:31 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:45:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer To: DC Cycles Nope. See their website & fine print. No stated reason. The unstated reason seems to be that exploders roll over. U-haul, not in the business of being sued, likes to stay away from bad press and getting sued. Interestingly, they rent to mountaneers without a problem. Just not exploders. Once again, blame the lawyers. Standard DCC response? Time to round them up and shoot them all. My preference? Works for me, but please not Gimer. I've met him, and he seems like a good guy. (Tongue firmly in cheek for this last paragraph for those who don't understand humor.) --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 03:12 PM 6/1/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >Prob is that U-Haul won't rent to anyone who's > using > >an Explorer. Atleast for the enclosed ones. I > don't > >know if it also applies to open trailers. > > What?!? Have they got a reason?? It certainly > can't be a towing capacity > limit... > > They've rented trailers to me with my Jeep GC in the > past. I won't deal > with them anymore though. That idiocy about > fingerprinting all customers > was the last straw... > > > -- Mike B. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 16:50:04 2004 From: To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:49:57 -0400 > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/06/01 Tue PM 04:39:41 EDT > To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer > > At 03:12 PM 6/1/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >Prob is that U-Haul won't rent to anyone who's using > >an Explorer. Atleast for the enclosed ones. I don't > >know if it also applies to open trailers. > > What?!? Have they got a reason?? It certainly can't be a towing capacity > limit... > > They've rented trailers to me with my Jeep GC in the past. I won't deal > with them anymore though. That idiocy about fingerprinting all customers > was the last straw... > > > -- Mike B. U-Haul Forbids Rentals to Explorer Drivers Thu Jan 8, 6:27 AM ET Add Business - AP to My Yahoo! DETROIT - U-Haul is forbidding its stores from renting trailers to customers driving Ford Explorers, citing product liability lawsuits involving the popular sport utility vehicle, a newspaper reported. U-Haul International Inc., North America's largest trailer rental company with more than 17,000 outlets, implemented the policy Dec. 22, saying it can no longer afford to defend the lawsuits, The Detroit News reported in Thursday editions. "U-Haul has chosen not to rent behind this tow vehicle based on our history of excessive costs in defending lawsuits involving Ford Explorer towing combinations," the company told the newspaper, adding that the move is "not related to safety issues." Joanne Fried, a U-Haul spokeswoman, declined to disclose how much the Phoenix-based company has spent defending lawsuits involving Explorers. "The decision is not based on one accident," she said. "It's based on several different lawsuits going on for several years." Ford Motor Co. spokesman Jon Harmon called U-Haul's decision "surprising and disappointing." "This is all about runaway litigation and trial lawyers forcing businesses to make unfortunate decisions for fear of lawsuits," he said. U-Haul was involved in a lawsuit that Bridgestone/Firestone settled out of court in September. It involved three college students who were injured when their Firestone-equipped Explorer overturned while pulling a U-Haul trailer. Bridgestone/Firestone is currently trying reach an agreement on a $149 million settlement of 30 class-action lawsuits because of defective tires. Although federal regulators have said there isn't enough evidence to show that the Explorer model contributed to the tire defects, many of the problem tires were equipped on Explorers. A bulletin issued to U-Haul dealers last month said the company's decision was "based on the negative perceptions of Ford Explorers ... we are separating ourselves from the negative public perception and its potential consequences." Ford has maintained the Explorer is safe. In 2002, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (news - web sites) traced Explorer tire failures and resulting rollovers to tire manufacturing flaws. Fried said the rental ban applies to all model years, even though the Explorer was redesigned in 2002, improving its rollover rating. It was voted "tow vehicle of the year" by Trailer Boats magazine the same year. Ford launched the Explorer 14 years ago and this month will deliver its 5 millionth unit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 17:26:11 2004 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:25:36 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: dan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" dan wrote: > And as far as parts, mountain or track, its the same. Plenty people wad > them either place. Rider safety is probably the best selling point. I agree on the rider safety point, but lets look at that parts thing... Case in point ... I crashed this weekend at Summit point, tucking the front in T6 which is about 60mph. Bike slid to a stop in the run-off area. Damage: A bar end slider, a foot peg slider, and a brake lever. Maybe a frame slider, but it's not too worn down. There is a slight scuff on the bodywork, but it's not bad at all. Try that on 211 into the armco (or into a ravine), let me know what parts you need :D :D :D - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 18:08:01 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:07:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" Cc: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach From: Randy Moran On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, at 05:25 PM, Brian Roach wrote: > dan wrote: > >> And as far as parts, mountain or track, its the same. Plenty people >> wad them either place. Rider safety is probably the best selling >> point. > > I agree on the rider safety point, but lets look at that parts thing... > > Case in point ... I crashed this weekend at Summit point, tucking the > front in T6 which is about 60mph. Bike slid to a stop in the run-off > area. Damage: A bar end slider, a foot peg slider, and a brake lever. > Maybe a frame slider, but it's not too worn down. There is a slight > scuff on the bodywork, but it's not bad at all. > > Try that on 211 into the armco (or into a ravine), let me know what > parts you need :D :D :D I'm guessing that will be one arm, a spine, a knee or two, and probably a foot...Oh, you meant bike parts. My bad. RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 19:57:54 2004 Reply-To: From: "Lisa Goddard" To: , Subject: 211 Racetrack Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:57:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:07:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" Cc: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach From: Randy Moran On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, at 05:25 PM, Brian Roach wrote: > dan wrote: > >> And as far as parts, mountain or track, its the same. Plenty people >> wad them either place. Rider safety is probably the best selling >> point. > > I agree on the rider safety point, but lets look at that parts thing... > > Case in point ... I crashed this weekend at Summit point, tucking the > front in T6 which is about 60mph. Bike slid to a stop in the run-off > area. Damage: A bar end slider, a foot peg slider, and a brake lever. > Maybe a frame slider, but it's not too worn down. There is a slight > scuff on the bodywork, but it's not bad at all. > > Try that on 211 into the armco (or into a ravine), let me know what > parts you need :D :D :D I'm guessing that will be one arm, a spine, a knee or two, and probably a foot...Oh, you meant bike parts. My bad. RPM Hey Randy and others, I too crashed this past weekend! Well, Monday, part of a Holiday weekend. Going at least 80mph on turn 7 at Beaver Run. I hit the ripples and the front wheel washed out from under me and went-a-slidin'! My right thumb feels about 95%, I can tell something is just a little sore when I use my hand to write. Typing and motorcycle riding are no problem. My bum feels like I fell down ice-skating or skiing. Other than that, I feel absolutely fine and fully intend to continue to commute on my street bike all week. My poor track bike has about $100. in damage, Jay has his work cut out for him and promised me that it will be fine for its next thrashing at VIR North later on this month. There's something to be said for plenty of good, wet grass to slide along and nothing to hit. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR, street '97 GSXR, track From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 21:26:07 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:25:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer To: Jefferson Parke , adamme1@XXXXXX, ajreinhardt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX pick up the trailer with another vehicle? --- Jefferson Parke wrote: > And that's exactly the problem that I'm having :( > > > >From: > >To: Adam Reinhardt ,Jefferson > Parke > >,dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer > >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:12:08 -0400 > > > >Prob is that U-Haul won't rent to anyone who's using > >an Explorer. Atleast for the enclosed ones. I don't > >know if it also applies to open trailers. > > > >-aki > > > > > > > > From: Adam Reinhardt > > > Date: 2004/06/01 Tue PM 02:43:37 EDT > > > To: Jefferson Parke , > >dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer > > > > > > If no one on the list comes through, U-haul rents > > > single bike trailers for around $10-15 per day. > Might > > > be worth calling around to couple spots to see if > they > > > have one. > > > > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > --- Jefferson Parke > > > wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a motorcycle trailer that I could > > > > borrow or rent from this > > > > Friday evening to Saturday evening? I would be > > > > towing behind an Explorer > > > > down to Charlotte NC and then back up with my nused > > > > 1990 VFR. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 21:33:17 2004 From: "Jefferson Parke" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:33:18 -0400 I thought about that too. Actually I think I've decided to haul the bike in the back of a minivan. It's convenient and free and I think I've covered all of my bases -- ramp, dimensions, weight, straps and tie down points. If I second guess then I'm sure you'll hear from me again. Thanks everyone for the offers and recommendations. I really appreciate it. Very cool group! Jeff >From: Tom Gimer >To: Jefferson Parke , adamme1@XXXXXX, >ajreinhardt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:25:59 -0700 (PDT) > >pick up the trailer with another vehicle? > > >--- Jefferson Parke wrote: > > And that's exactly the problem that I'm having :( > > > > > > >From: > > >To: Adam Reinhardt ,Jefferson > > Parke > > >,dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer > > >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:12:08 -0400 > > > > > >Prob is that U-Haul won't rent to anyone who's using > > >an Explorer. Atleast for the enclosed ones. I don't > > >know if it also applies to open trailers. > > > > > >-aki > > > > > > > > > > > From: Adam Reinhardt > > > > Date: 2004/06/01 Tue PM 02:43:37 EDT > > > > To: Jefferson Parke , > > >dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer > > > > > > > > If no one on the list comes through, U-haul rents > > > > single bike trailers for around $10-15 per day. > > Might > > > > be worth calling around to couple spots to see if > > they > > > > have one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jefferson Parke > > > > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have a motorcycle trailer that I could > > > > > borrow or rent from this > > > > > Friday evening to Saturday evening? I would be > > > > > towing behind an Explorer > > > > > down to Charlotte NC and then back up with my nused > > > > > 1990 VFR. > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. >http://messenger.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page )B– FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 21:38:42 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:38:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer To: Jefferson Parke , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jefferson Parke wrote: > I thought about that too. Actually I think I've decided > to haul the bike in > the back of a minivan. It's convenient and free and I > think I've covered > all of my bases -- ramp, dimensions, weight, straps and > tie down points. If > I second guess then I'm sure you'll hear from me again. if it really fits, be sure to have support loading it. little to no clearance on the top side should make for some interesting maneuvering. > Thanks everyone for the offers and recommendations. I > really appreciate it. > Very cool group! > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Jefferson Parke , > adamme1@XXXXXX, > >ajreinhardt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer > >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:25:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > >pick up the trailer with another vehicle? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 21:56:41 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:56:30 EDT Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/1/2004 4:45:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bdaleray@XXXXXX writes: > U-haul, not in the business of > being sued, likes to stay away from bad press and > getting sued. They will not rent to convertibles either, my wifes Tracker for instance. Oh and the $15 (or whatever) per is _NOT_ per day! It is per rental and the time is completely undefined. They will try to rent the same truck/trailer at least 3 times per day and will lie through their teeth to do that. "Someone has that unit rented at noon." or whatever time will get it back on time to rent it again. Unfortunately it took me far too many rentals to realize what they were pulling. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 21:56:50 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rt. 211 "Racetrack" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:58:51 -0400 Yep, have you seen Subaru WRX (sti) or the EVO or the 350Z. They are mind numbily fast. I would rather have a 400 lbs bike bounce off my grill than a 2000 lbs sports car. At least on a bike the other motorists have a better chance of surviving a collision. As for the ticket cost, mine was $151 this weekend. 63 in a 45, stupid evil speed trap where the road goes from 65 to 45. I was slowing down but then again the PA police don't care about that they care about the income. Rob On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:43:49 EDT, PenguinBiker wrote > Which brings up "Johns Equation of Idiots on Motorcycles" > > Start with an _I_diot on a _M_otorcycle or I/M > Subtract (outlaw) the _M_otorcycle. You are left with _I_. > Do you think _I_ is going to walk? Take the subway? > Hell no. > _I_ is going to get the badest, fastest car he can find and ride it > just like he rode his bike. Are you safer? Is your family safer? Do > you really want an _I_diot riding 2_tons_ of deadly weapon? > > That argument usually gives pause to the "outlaw > sportbike/motorcycle crowd." > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 22:41:52 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'Jefferson Parke'" , Subject: RE: motorcycle trailer Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:45:03 -0400 I'm planning on trying one of these: http://www.versahaul.com/vhsportro.html I only haul the bike to the track 20 miles away and back a couple of times a year. I think my Tundra and class III hitch will be okay to hail my GSX-R1000. Anyone else have one of these? Gary Foreman -----Original Message----- From: Jefferson Parke [mailto:jeffersonparke@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:55 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: motorcycle trailer Does anyone have a motorcycle trailer that I could borrow or rent from this Friday evening to Saturday evening? I would be towing behind an Explorer down to Charlotte NC and then back up with my nused 1990 VFR. Thanks, Jeff _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 1 23:22:56 2004 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:22:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: RE: motorcycle trailer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't have one but I saw a couple last weekend at a track day that I went to. Must be working fine for some people. I also saw a trailer that looks like just a rail with two wheels attached to it. Perhaps a custom job? Or maybe someone is making these. Adam 1 Suzuki GS500 .5 Honda Hurricane = 1.5 bikes --- Gary Foreman wrote: > I'm planning on trying one of these: > > http://www.versahaul.com/vhsportro.html > > I only haul the bike to the track 20 miles away and > back a couple of times a > year. I think my Tundra and class III hitch will be > okay to hail my > GSX-R1000. > > Anyone else have one of these? > > Gary Foreman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jefferson Parke > [mailto:jeffersonparke@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:55 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: motorcycle trailer > > Does anyone have a motorcycle trailer that I could > borrow or rent from this > Friday evening to Saturday evening? I would be > towing behind an Explorer > down to Charlotte NC and then back up with my nused > 1990 VFR. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get > it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 06:51:21 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:50:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Any reason you can't just ride it back? Sure you will need to do some paperwork upfront and you might have to take a flight/train/bus down there. There sure are some nice roads between here and there though... Glenn --- Jefferson Parke wrote: > And that's exactly the problem that I'm having :( > > > >From: > >To: Adam Reinhardt > ,Jefferson Parke > >,dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Re: motorcycle trailer > >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:12:08 -0400 > > > >Prob is that U-Haul won't rent to anyone who's > using > >an Explorer. Atleast for the enclosed ones. I > don't > >know if it also applies to open trailers. > > > >-aki > > > > > > > > From: Adam Reinhardt > > > Date: 2004/06/01 Tue PM 02:43:37 EDT > > > To: Jefferson Parke > , > >dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer > > > > > > If no one on the list comes through, U-haul > rents > > > single bike trailers for around $10-15 per day. > Might > > > be worth calling around to couple spots to see > if they > > > have one. > > > > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > --- Jefferson Parke > > > wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a motorcycle trailer that I > could > > > > borrow or rent from this > > > > Friday evening to Saturday evening? I would > be > > > > towing behind an Explorer > > > > down to Charlotte NC and then back up with my > nused > > > > 1990 VFR. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar > )B– get > > > > it now! > > > > > > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! > Messenger. > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with the new version of MSN > Messenger! Download today - > it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 06:59:26 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:59:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: motorcycle trailer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You already have a truck, unless you have a cap on it why not just load it in the bed with one of these: http://tinyurl.com/258fl Glenn --- Gary Foreman wrote: > I'm planning on trying one of these: > > http://www.versahaul.com/vhsportro.html > > I only haul the bike to the track 20 miles away and > back a couple of times a > year. I think my Tundra and class III hitch will be > okay to hail my > GSX-R1000. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 07:26:53 2004 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: lists@XXXXXX via smtp-1.hrnoc.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20st (Clear:RC:1(216.120.225.30):. Processed in 0.024024 secs) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:26:49 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Glenn Dysart , Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer X-HR-Scan-Signature: a3ff4645bb52503213d1ddd0de148c90 X-HR-SA-Score: () X-HR-Status: HR_AVScanned-(lists@XXXXXX/216.120.225.37) It's a huge PITA to get the Leer Hard Tonaeu cover off and on. I've been hauling it in the bed, but I used to have a storage facility to store the cover for a few days, I don't have that anymore. http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/021014/1014-62.jpg Glenn Dysart wrote: > You already have a truck, unless you have a cap on it > why not just load it in the bed with one of these: > > http://tinyurl.com/258fl > > Glenn > > --- Gary Foreman wrote: > > I'm planning on trying one of these: > > > > http://www.versahaul.com/vhsportro.html > > > > I only haul the bike to the track 20 miles away and > > back a couple of times a > > year. I think my Tundra and class III hitch will be > > okay to hail my > > GSX-R1000. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 07:29:44 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:29:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Understandable. I wanted one of those "hard" covers for my Taco but knew I'd be hauling the bike so I got a soft cover. Glenn --- Gary Foreman wrote: > It's a huge PITA to get the Leer Hard Tonaeu cover > off and on. I've been > hauling it in the bed, but I used to have a storage > facility to store the > cover for a few days, I don't have that anymore. > > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/021014/1014-62.jpg > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 07:40:19 2004 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: lists@XXXXXX via smtp-1.hrnoc.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20st (Clear:RC:1(216.120.225.30):. Processed in 0.023949 secs) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:40:15 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Glenn Dysart , Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer X-HR-Scan-Signature: d705626118f385ecb0b291450b2a5185 X-HR-SA-Score: () X-HR-Status: HR_AVScanned-(lists@XXXXXX/216.120.225.37) Yeah, mine came with a soft cover and I sold it to Brian Roach! Damn, should have kept it :-) I'd really like a trailer...but the damn HOA won't allow it stored outside. I can hang the Versahaul on the wall. Gary Glenn Dysart wrote: > Understandable. I wanted one of those "hard" covers > for my Taco but knew I'd be hauling the bike so I got > a soft cover. > > Glenn > > --- Gary Foreman wrote: > > It's a huge PITA to get the Leer Hard Tonaeu cover > > off and on. I've been > > hauling it in the bed, but I used to have a storage > > facility to store the > > cover for a few days, I don't have that anymore. > > > > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/021014/1014-62.jpg > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 07:57:53 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Northern also makes a folding trailing with casters on it so it takes up verty little floor space http://www2.northerntool.com/product/465468/ Might want to condsider on of those. Glenn --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Yeah, mine came with a soft cover and I sold it to > Brian Roach! Damn, should > have kept it :-) > > I'd really like a trailer...but the damn HOA won't > allow it stored outside. I > can hang the Versahaul on the wall. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 08:21:16 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Parking ticket fighters Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:20:54 -0400 Another parking ticket fighter sight (NYC, SF, DC) (from Fox5 this am): http://www.drivingtoday.com/news_this_week/2004-02-06-2633-driving/. Scroll to bottom for DC which is apparently due to activate this pm according to Fox5. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I'd rather be moving than parked Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 08:27:08 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:26:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: RE: motorcycle trailer To: DC Cycles Before you try the versahaul, check the tongue weight max on your hitch. Most trucks have a 500 lb max. - Some of the heavier 3/4 & 1-ton trucks may have 1,000 lb, but IMHO that's unusual. Also, you should look into the "trailer in a bag" - http://www.trailerinabag.com/main.html - seems like an interesting setup, and can easily be stored inside. --- Gary Foreman wrote: > I'm planning on trying one of these: > > http://www.versahaul.com/vhsportro.html > > I only haul the bike to the track 20 miles away and > back a couple of times a > year. I think my Tundra and class III hitch will be > okay to hail my > GSX-R1000. > > Anyone else have one of these? > > Gary Foreman > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 08:47:27 2004 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: lists@XXXXXX via smtp-1.hrnoc.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20st (Clear:RC:1(216.120.225.30):. Processed in 0.024283 secs) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:47:24 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Brian Ray , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer X-HR-Scan-Signature: b382aa10436a68c74b5f3e21a0449cc5 X-HR-SA-Score: () X-HR-Status: HR_AVScanned-(lists@XXXXXX/216.120.225.37) I like the Trailer in a bag, but it's a little pricey for me, almost twice the VersHaul. Gary Brian Ray wrote: > Before you try the versahaul, check the tongue weight > max on your hitch. Most trucks have a 500 lb max. - > Some of the heavier 3/4 & 1-ton trucks may have 1,000 > lb, but IMHO that's unusual. > > Also, you should look into the "trailer in a bag" - > http://www.trailerinabag.com/main.html - seems like an > interesting setup, and can easily be stored inside. > > --- Gary Foreman wrote: > > I'm planning on trying one of these: > > > > http://www.versahaul.com/vhsportro.html > > > > I only haul the bike to the track 20 miles away and > > back a couple of times a > > year. I think my Tundra and class III hitch will be > > okay to hail my > > GSX-R1000. > > > > Anyone else have one of these? > > > > Gary Foreman > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 09:44:04 2004 Reply-To: "Louis Caplan" From: "Louis Caplan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fastest way to Summit Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:44:59 -0400 Not directly MC related, but a lot of people on this list go to the race track... Some friends of mine moved to Charles Town, they are only a few blocks away from Summit Race Track (in fact I have to take Summit Pt. Road to get to them) I'm going to visit them this Sunday. Since I'm bringing the wife and baby, I'm taking the cage. And since my daughter now hates the car seat (still has to face backwards for another 2 months) I'd like to take the QUICKEST route there. Would that be Rt. 7 to 340? Or Rt. 9? Something else? I'll be heading up from Fairfax, so I'm guessing the Dulles Toll Road would be a faster way to get to Leesburg? Of course if I were going by myself, I'd take the bike and probably hit Snickerville, Mt. Weather Road or something else along those lines. Thanks, Louis - - - - - - - "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:07:21 2004 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: lists@XXXXXX via smtp-1.hrnoc.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20st (Clear:RC:1(216.120.225.30):. Processed in 0.024293 secs) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:07:15 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Louis Caplan" , Subject: Re: Fastest way to Summit X-HR-Scan-Signature: a3ff4645bb52503213d1ddd0de148c90 X-HR-SA-Score: () X-HR-Status: HR_AVScanned-(lists@XXXXXX/216.120.225.37) Greenway to Leesburg, 7 West, 9 to Charlestown, then once you get to Main St. light, left to the curve/stopsign, left on Summit Point Rd. Gary "Louis Caplan" wrote: > Not directly MC related, but a lot of people on this list go to the race > track... > > Some friends of mine moved to Charles Town, they are only a few blocks away > from Summit Race Track (in fact I have to take Summit Pt. Road to get to them) > > I'm going to visit them this Sunday. Since I'm bringing the wife and baby, I'm > taking the cage. And since my daughter now hates the car seat (still has to > face backwards for another 2 months) I'd like to take the QUICKEST route there. > Would that be Rt. 7 to 340? Or Rt. 9? Something else? I'll be heading up > from Fairfax, so I'm guessing the Dulles Toll Road would be a faster way to get > to Leesburg? > > Of course if I were going by myself, I'd take the bike and probably hit > Snickerville, Mt. Weather Road or something else along those lines. > > Thanks, > > Louis > > - - - - - - - > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA > Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:10:32 2004 Subject: 2004 equals 1984 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:10:27 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Dave Yates" , I came across an article in the Washington Times about the use of a digital camera, connected to a laptop that Arlington county drones now take on roving patrol of parking lots...they sweep license plates and instantly the data brings up the registered owners info..If they owe taxes of any kind, the license plate is stripped from the car and a green lien\tow tag is placed on the vehicle. If I remember my history correctly, one of the founding events of this country was the Boston Tea party. When will people finally have enough of the Thought Police? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:15:12 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:14:53 -0400 I'm sick of hearing about how people who don't pay what they owe are having their rights trampled on. Pay your f**king taxes and fees like the rest of us and you won't have issues. People who don't pay just make the rest of us pay more. If you want to rant, rant on the fact that the taxes are too high, mismanaged, too complicated, etc... Just getting worse now that the government needs to collect more money because they spend too much and they don't raise taxes, they just raise new and more confusing fees... Sorry, just a pet peeve. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:10 AM To: Paul Wilson; Dave Yates; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2004 equals 1984 I came across an article in the Washington Times about the use of a digital camera, connected to a laptop that Arlington county drones now take on roving patrol of parking lots...they sweep license plates and instantly the data brings up the registered owners info..If they owe taxes of any kind, the license plate is stripped from the car and a green lien\tow tag is placed on the vehicle. If I remember my history correctly, one of the founding events of this country was the Boston Tea party. When will people finally have enough of the Thought Police? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:18:20 2004 From: "Bruce N" To: "Gary Foreman" , "Louis Caplan" , Subject: Re: Fastest way to Summit Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:16:02 -0400 No, no, no! Rt. 9 is far too slow with a screaming child. From the Summit Point website, http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/ Take Route 7 West past Leesburg toward Winchester, VA. (You may wish to take the Route 7 Leesburg bypass to avoid downtown Leesburg.) Continue on Route 7 West past the Berryville exits and turn right onto Route 632 (Crums Church Road). Follow 632 until you reach the "T" intersection (where you must turn right or left). At that intersection, turn right onto Route 761 (Old Charles Town Road). Continue on 761 until you reach the next "T" intersection. Make a right turn and follow 300 yards. The entrance will be on your right. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Louis Caplan" ; Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Fastest way to Summit > Greenway to Leesburg, 7 West, 9 to Charlestown, then once you get to Main St. > light, left to the curve/stopsign, left on Summit Point Rd. > > Gary > > > > "Louis Caplan" wrote: > > > Not directly MC related, but a lot of people on this list go to the race > > track... > > > > Some friends of mine moved to Charles Town, they are only a few blocks away > > from Summit Race Track (in fact I have to take Summit Pt. Road to get to > them) > > > > I'm going to visit them this Sunday. Since I'm bringing the wife and baby, > I'm > > taking the cage. And since my daughter now hates the car seat (still has to > > face backwards for another 2 months) I'd like to take the QUICKEST route > there. > > Would that be Rt. 7 to 340? Or Rt. 9? Something else? I'll be heading up > > from Fairfax, so I'm guessing the Dulles Toll Road would be a faster way to > get > > to Leesburg? > > > > Of course if I were going by myself, I'd take the bike and probably hit > > Snickerville, Mt. Weather Road or something else along those lines. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:27:23 2004 Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:27:18 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Jim McGonigle" , What I disagree with is draconian enforcement to the tune of having a lien placed on your vehicle. What's next, midnight raids on people that pay their parking tickets late?? -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 I'm sick of hearing about how people who don't pay what they owe are having their rights trampled on. Pay your f**king taxes and fees like the rest of us and you won't have issues. People who don't pay just make the rest of us pay more. If you want to rant, rant on the fact that the taxes are too high, mismanaged, too complicated, etc... Just getting worse now that the government needs to collect more money because they spend too much and they don't raise taxes, they just raise new and more confusing fees... Sorry, just a pet peeve. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:10 AM To: Paul Wilson; Dave Yates; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2004 equals 1984 I came across an article in the Washington Times about the use of a digital camera, connected to a laptop that Arlington county drones now take on roving patrol of parking lots...they sweep license plates and instantly the data brings up the registered owners info..If they owe taxes of any kind, the license plate is stripped from the car and a green lien\tow tag is placed on the vehicle. If I remember my history correctly, one of the founding events of this country was the Boston Tea party. When will people finally have enough of the Thought Police? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:31:04 2004 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:33:40 -0400 To: "Gary Foreman" , "'Jefferson Parke'" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: motorcycle trailer At 10:45 PM 6/1/04 -0400, Gary Foreman wrote: >I'm planning on trying one of these: > >http://www.versahaul.com/vhsportro.html > >I only haul the bike to the track 20 miles away and back a couple of times a >year. I think my Tundra and class III hitch will be okay to hail my >GSX-R1000. It lists carrying capacity at 600 lbs, but don't forget to check out the "tongue weight" for your hitch. I think class III is limited to 500 lbs for that. Don't know what your bike weighs, but if it's in that range, best to know up front, rather than after it bends or breaks your new carrier...or hitch. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:36:35 2004 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:36:20 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Louis Caplan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fastest way to Summit Take the greenway to leesburg, then hop on Rt 7 west. Go for a while. Go over the mountain. Keep going. Go past 340/Berryvile At the second stoplight (Seriously ... there are none until you get to these two past Berryville), turn right onto 'Crums Church Road' (rt 632). There's a sign that says "Summit Point ->" right before it, and you will have just passed a Mobil station on the right side of Rt7, and there's a Sheets station at this intersection. Go to the end of this road to a T intersection, turn right. Go to the end of this road to a T intersection, turn right. You are now on Summit Point Road headed toward Charles Town, the track is about half a mile up on the right side. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:38:53 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Julian Halton'" , Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:38:40 -0400 For parking tickets being late just get them the next time their car is found, tow it and impound it until paid. Don't allow license renewal, plate renewal, etc... I understand your concern as things escalate, but a little common sense (I know, I'm dreaming) would go far... -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:27 AM To: Jim McGonigle; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 What I disagree with is draconian enforcement to the tune of having a lien placed on your vehicle. What's next, midnight raids on people that pay their parking tickets late?? -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 I'm sick of hearing about how people who don't pay what they owe are having their rights trampled on. Pay your f**king taxes and fees like the rest of us and you won't have issues. People who don't pay just make the rest of us pay more. If you want to rant, rant on the fact that the taxes are too high, mismanaged, too complicated, etc... Just getting worse now that the government needs to collect more money because they spend too much and they don't raise taxes, they just raise new and more confusing fees... Sorry, just a pet peeve. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:10 AM To: Paul Wilson; Dave Yates; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2004 equals 1984 I came across an article in the Washington Times about the use of a digital camera, connected to a laptop that Arlington county drones now take on roving patrol of parking lots...they sweep license plates and instantly the data brings up the registered owners info..If they owe taxes of any kind, the license plate is stripped from the car and a green lien\tow tag is placed on the vehicle. If I remember my history correctly, one of the founding events of this country was the Boston Tea party. When will people finally have enough of the Thought Police? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:45:17 2004 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:47:25 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "Paul Wilson" , "Dave Yates" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: 2004 equals 1984 At 10:10 AM 6/2/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >I came across an article in the Washington Times about the use of a >digital camera, connected to a laptop that Arlington county drones now >take on roving patrol of parking lots...they sweep license plates and >instantly the data brings up the registered owners info..If they owe >taxes of any kind, the license plate is stripped from the car and a >green lien\tow tag is placed on the vehicle. > >If I remember my history correctly, one of the founding events of this >country was the Boston Tea party. When will people finally have enough >of the Thought Police? Huh? How does "Thought Police" enter into it? This is the police using modern technology to enforce existing laws. If you don't want to have your car come up on their screen, pay your fines and taxes, or arrange things so you won't owe them in the first place. The Boston Tea Party was based on taxes that the taxpayers had no control over at all. It wasn't a democracy, representative or otherwise. If you don't like your taxes today, vote in some people who will lower them...and put up with fewer "services" from the government. Seems like a fair trade to me...depending on which "services" they cut out. The problem today is that we've shifted the tax burden primarily onto a few people, so the rest have little to lose by voting for people who will raise taxes and provide more benefits to them. They are basically voting to rob a few to benefit themselves. That wasn't possible under the original Constitution...the founders were smarter than that. It had to be amended to allow such things to happen. I believe that happened in 1913 with the 16th Amendment, but some folks claim it was never properly ratified. Doesn't really matter in a practical sense...if they ever proved that, it would get ratified in a hurry now. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:46:38 2004 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: lists@XXXXXX via smtp-1.hrnoc.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20st (Clear:RC:1(216.120.225.30):. Processed in 0.060989 secs) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:46:32 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Mike Bartman , "Gary Foreman" , "'Jefferson Parke'" , Subject: Re: motorcycle trailer X-HR-Scan-Signature: 71fbb9d4f7a87e6f5cce04b57b19f684 X-HR-SA-Score: () X-HR-Status: HR_AVScanned-(lists@XXXXXX/216.120.225.37) Stonewall Cycle in Front Rouay has the Trailer in a bag in stock. Costs more, but yes, I think I would feel safer. Anyone own one of the Trailer-In-A-Bags ???? Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:49:44 2004 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:52:21 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "Jim McGonigle" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 At 10:27 AM 6/2/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >What I disagree with is draconian enforcement to the tune of having a >lien placed on your vehicle. What's next, midnight raids on people that >pay their parking tickets late?? No, "civil forfeiture", where they "sue" the vehicle itself, and then take it from you completely. It's been normal practice for 15 years at least now. You can see a particularly egregious example in the case of "U.S. vs. One Helicopter", where the DEA stole a helicopter from a citizen because of a technical paperwork issue that should have fallen under the FAA's jurisdiction (and would have incurred a few hundred dollar fine there), but the DEA needed a free helicopter... They've been taking cars like this from those soliciting prostitutes for a long time. Read about it back when I still read the Washington Post...so that was the mid 80s anyway. Story about a guy who lost his mother-in-law's car that way. It's *seriously* unconstitutional if you ask me, but the courts never seem to for some reason... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 10:51:38 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: 2004 equals 1984 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is a pipe dream.... --- Mike Bartman wrote: If you > don't like your taxes today, vote in some people who > will lower them...and > put up with fewer "services" from the government. > Seems like a fair trade > to me...depending on which "services" they cut out. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 11:03:23 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:03:19 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Julian complained: >What I disagree with is draconian enforcement to the tune of >having a lien placed on your vehicle. What's next, midnight >raids on people that pay their parking tickets late?? Jim countered: >I'm sick of hearing about how people who don't pay what they >owe are having their rights trampled on. Pay your f**king >taxes and fees like the rest of us and you won't have >issues. People who don't pay just make the rest of us pay >more. > >If you want to rant, rant on the fact that the taxes are too >high, mismanaged, too complicated, etc [Dave] I'm sure within the next 10 years or so, you'll see some state attempt to make this sort of tax offense a class 1 misdemeanor involving jail time... The next step is felony... I'm sure that someone will take it too far, complete with SWAT, no knock "dynamic" entry, stun grenades... All for not having that handy little decal on your moto's fork leg. But I doubt it will be VA. Jim's point is completely valid though. If you're out in public with a vehicle in a publicly viewable place and you readily display information indicating that you could be a : tax cheat inspection scofflaw expired registration or, perhaps you've left some vials of crack on your 'wing's dash, well then you have to expect somebody's going to rat you out whether they be regular joes or johnny/joanie Law. You have no expectation of privacy in these cases. I will make a few points. 1: I sure see Arlington streets, developments etc. in the local papers for an awful lot of crime... Weren't they also involved with AG Kilgore in the latest Gang initiative? Obviously, Arlington doesn't have so much crime going on that they can obviously spare these revenue generators... 2: These "midnight raids" already happen for court judgments. Child support rings a bell... Is it a wonder why? I believe it was '87 or '88 - my unit's former 1SG was hit with a child support order in MD to the tune of $750 / kid x 3 kids plus alimony. It left him with a -$300 / month income. You can already get your license yanked for failure to pay child support, and every once in a while you get "delinquent parent" roundups that make the news. Not that I think delinquent parents are shining role models, but someone ought to be asking what the he!! the court is thinking by zeroing out a separated parent's income, and expecting him/her to be able to live... We're nowhere on par yet, but I do know of at least 2 senior citizen families that are literally being taxed out of Northern Virginia via these simply outrageous increases in real estate and other taxes. Both of these families are long time residents, one having lived here longer than I've been alive. They're not living in mansions. These county governments ought to be brought back to reality the "Old way". I think branding them as thieves would be a good start. 3: The Times picture showed them pointing their scanner out the car window. It reminds me of the UnFairTax revenue generators pointing their shoulder stocked Lidar guns at traffic. Sooner or later, somebody will misinterpret their intentions. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 11:15:20 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Sorry officer, it's Honda's fault I was going too fast Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:15:10 -0400 http://tinyurl.com/29xbt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 11:19:29 2004 Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:19:23 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Jim McGonigle" , I am going to explain my frustrations better. I was up at the beach all weekend staying with friends. I saw teams of auxiliary police stake out various locations. Someone in the house I was staying at was rounding the bend as I was relaxing on the front deck. They got pulled over and ticketed doing 19 in a 15 mph zone. I watched the same auxiliary's hover around meters and ticket\arrange for expedited towing of vehicles. At another beach I was at there are some many signs on the road related to parking that it takes half an hour to learn the intricacies of a particular spot. I have never had a problem with fair and reasonable taxation. I have problems with "shakedowns". You get a 25 dollar parking ticket and are late paying it, you should not have to face an impounded vehicle. In my opinion that is an overly harsh response, Having to pay when you renew your tags and registration is a fair solution, I have problems with a lack of accountability. Okay you pay a ticket late, and it doubles in cost, what if next year it triples? When I first moved here, I made the error of paying for a ticket with a post dated check. That sequence went something like this. - 50 dollar ticket - mail in check with a date three days in advance - check gets cashed and returned NSF - 50 dollar penalty from DC treasury - ticket is now late so ticket doubles to 100 dollars - bank charges 25 dollar NSF fee. Parking ticket becomes 125 more expensive. I find this unacceptable. If post dated checks are no longer accepted, remove the date field from the check you follow? Here is a guy, bust his hump all year, takes his family up to Ocean City, parks his car, gets back a minute after the meter has expired and his car is impounded and towed across the county? I go to movies occasionally in Georgetown. I park down underneath K street sometimes, On two occasions I have seen cars being pulled from metered spaces. After a 'chat' with one of the towers, I was informed that you cannot park there after 10:00 PM, yet there is NO sign that states this. In my opinion all these situations are in varying degrees unreasonable, and any ruling body should be subject to checks and balances to prevent an abuse of power. I hope that everyone on the list had a wonderful holiday weekend. -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:39 AM To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 For parking tickets being late just get them the next time their car is found, tow it and impound it until paid. Don't allow license renewal, plate renewal, etc... I understand your concern as things escalate, but a little common sense (I know, I'm dreaming) would go far... -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:27 AM To: Jim McGonigle; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 What I disagree with is draconian enforcement to the tune of having a lien placed on your vehicle. What's next, midnight raids on people that pay their parking tickets late?? -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2004 equals 1984 I'm sick of hearing about how people who don't pay what they owe are having their rights trampled on. Pay your f**king taxes and fees like the rest of us and you won't have issues. People who don't pay just make the rest of us pay more. If you want to rant, rant on the fact that the taxes are too high, mismanaged, too complicated, etc... Just getting worse now that the government needs to collect more money because they spend too much and they don't raise taxes, they just raise new and more confusing fees... Sorry, just a pet peeve. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:10 AM To: Paul Wilson; Dave Yates; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2004 equals 1984 I came across an article in the Washington Times about the use of a digital camera, connected to a laptop that Arlington county drones now take on roving patrol of parking lots...they sweep license plates and instantly the data brings up the registered owners info..If they owe taxes of any kind, the license plate is stripped from the car and a green lien\tow tag is placed on the vehicle. If I remember my history correctly, one of the founding events of this country was the Boston Tea party. When will people finally have enough of the Thought Police? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 13:57:43 2004 Subject: Bike story from lunch Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:57:35 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Despite it being a beautiful day, I sigh wistfully look at my bike and take my workmate\friend Andrew to Shirlington in the cage. He has thus far put 60 miles on his SV 650 and is one of the converted. On the way back towards Ballston, just past the Lee highway exit there is an underpass. I see a bike and a dude by the side of the road, sitting calmly. I decide to stop and turns out that he has a non-running '02 FXDX Harley.. Go figure a Harley that does not work. JUST KIDDING guys... Anyway, I think about what to do, place a call into Coleman's, confirm they have a fully charged battery that fits to 1450cc 02 and the guy says he will pay me when we get back. Off we go, plunk down $94.00 cash and return to the scene...While we are helping Jay Lynn with his battery, a state trooper pulls up and the first thing he does is run the plates. He then approaches us warily and asks the LEO equivalent of what's up. We explain and he leaves shortly after. Jay tells me, that he had watched at least ten bikers pass him by without a second glance. He thanks us for the help and offers a few beers. He congratulated me on being a "biker" instead of a bike-owner. I had my rag on and fit the part. I refrained from telling him I rode an R6. Nice guy, with a good attitude and a wicked looking custom knife on his belt. He offered me some money for the trouble and I refused. Got the battery in and the Harley started with its familiar growl. A good experience, now hopefully, I don't take any smelly stuff from my boss for the lunch. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 15:09:22 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Bike story from lunch Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:09:15 -0400 Good work Julian. That's what it's all about. -aki > > From: "Julian Halton" > Date: 2004/06/02 Wed PM 01:57:35 EDT > To: > Subject: Bike story from lunch > > > Despite it being a beautiful day, I sigh wistfully look at my bike and > take my workmate\friend Andrew to Shirlington in the cage. He has thus > far put 60 miles on his SV 650 and is one of the converted. On the way > back towards Ballston, just past the Lee highway exit there is an > underpass. I see a bike and a dude by the side of the road, sitting > calmly. I decide to stop and turns out that he has a non-running '02 > FXDX Harley.. Go figure a Harley that does not work. JUST KIDDING > guys... Anyway, I think about what to do, place a call into Coleman's, > confirm they have a fully charged battery that fits to 1450cc 02 and the > guy says he will pay me when we get back. Off we go, plunk down $94.00 > cash and return to the scene...While we are helping Jay Lynn with his > battery, a state trooper pulls up and the first thing he does is run the > plates. He then approaches us warily and asks the LEO equivalent of > what's up. We explain and he leaves shortly after. > > Jay tells me, that he had watched at least ten bikers pass him by > without a second glance. He thanks us for the help and offers a few > beers. He congratulated me on being a "biker" instead of a bike-owner. > I had my rag on and fit the part. I refrained from telling him I rode an > R6. Nice guy, with a good attitude and a wicked looking custom knife on > his belt. > He offered me some money for the trouble and I refused. Got the battery > in and the Harley started with its familiar growl. > > A good experience, now hopefully, I don't take any smelly stuff from my > boss for the lunch. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 18:30:00 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: DC vehicle laws To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Just for anyone who has not heard... if you are trying to register a new bike (or car or etc) in DC and need paper tags, the only place you can get them now is on C Street. The branch offices don't do this any more, even if they are called a "full service" DMV on the phone or web site info. So there is no way to avoid a trip to C Street any more, unless you buy from a dealer and have the dealer do the tags, or get your inspection before you apply for tags--- which you can only accomplish by either borrowing current tags that belong on that bike from a private seller, or taking the bike in trailer/truck. The suck factor on this is very high! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 20:14:41 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike story from lunch On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > cash and return to the scene...While we are helping Jay Lynn with his > battery, a state trooper pulls up and the first thing he does is run the > plates. He then approaches us warily and asks the LEO equivalent of > what's up. We explain and he leaves shortly after. > And can you blame him for checking to see if he is dealing with a felon? Otherwise, nice work, I always stop for a biker, well, sometimes slow as it seems many these days pull over to chat on the phone. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 20:36:54 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Bike story from lunch Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:36:50 -0400 This is what I love the most about this list. All of the stereotypes. Is a person previously convicted of a felony any more likely to cause problems while broken down beside the road than anyone else? Dan spewed: "And can you blame him for checking to see if he is dealing with a felon?" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 21:22:52 2004 From: shanesr74@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/02/04 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:22:40 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: c2hhbmVzcjc0QGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 I have a trailer that is good for bike hauling. small flat bed, hooks for tie downs. it is in eastern woodbridge. drop me a line at shanesr74@XXXXXX. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 22:20:11 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike story from lunch To: Thomas Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX are we talking about a felon with a large knife around his belt, or without? --- Thomas Jordan wrote: > This is what I love the most about this list. All of the > stereotypes. Is a > person previously convicted of a felony any more likely > to cause problems > while broken down beside the road than anyone else? > > Dan spewed: > "And can you blame him for checking to see if he is > dealing with a felon?" > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 2 23:06:17 2004 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Bike story from lunch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually I think Dan should have said "dealing with a tax scofflaw to see if he can have his license plate taken and the bike towed" (or words to that effect :-) Now stereotypically, he may have meant the guy on the Harley or perhaps Julian, because of his "rag" (were you in a pick-up with an Easy Rider Rifle Rack "with room for not one but two of your favorite rifles"?) Carl --- Thomas Jordan wrote: > This is what I love the most about this list. All of the stereotypes. Is > a > person previously convicted of a felony any more likely to cause > problems > while broken down beside the road than anyone else? > > Dan spewed: > "And can you blame him for checking to see if he is dealing with a > felon?" > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 01:14:21 2004 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:16:11 -0400 To: "Thomas Jordan" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Bike story from lunch Umm...yeah, if it was a violent felony. Past behavior may not be any guarantee of future results, but it is an indicator of the odds. Cops generally want to know as much as they can about anyone they deal with. Checking to see if a vehicle is stolen is a simple thing, and can save an officer's life on occasion. Vehicle thieves often do stupid things when cops show up...like run, shoot, etc.. If the vehicle was "car jacked", this is even more likely, as the suspect has already shown a recent tendency to violent stupidity. If I was the cop, I'd want to know about that tendency before I got out of my car and approached. Traffic stops are some of the more dangerous situations that cops deal with regularly, and a break down isn't too different from that in many ways. Also, how was it known what the cop was doing? Was it just an assumption? Perhaps the cop was just reporting in as to his location, the situation, and his intentions, in case something went wrong? That way the dispatcher could send help if the cop wasn't heard from again in a reasonable time frame. -- Mike B. At 08:36 PM 6/2/04 -0400, Thomas Jordan wrote: >This is what I love the most about this list. All of the stereotypes. Is a >person previously convicted of a felony any more likely to cause problems >while broken down beside the road than anyone else? > >Dan spewed: >"And can you blame him for checking to see if he is dealing with a felon?" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 09:50:52 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike story from lunch On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, dan wrote: > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:13:23 -0400 (EDT) > From: dan > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike story from lunch > > On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > > cash and return to the scene...While we are helping Jay Lynn with his > > battery, a state trooper pulls up and the first thing he does is run the > > plates. He then approaches us warily and asks the LEO equivalent of > > what's up. We explain and he leaves shortly after. > > > > And can you blame him for checking to see if he is dealing with a felon? You meant to say, "checking to see if he's possibly dealing with a car which may belong to a felon" right? or "Checking to see if the car's/bike's tags and registration are current" or "Checking to see if the license plate matches the description of the car/bike" or since we probably don't know what actually went on in the police car, other than a possible use of the radio evidenced by the officer appearing to speak into a microphone before stepping out of the car, we might more logically presume that he was, per SOP, simply reporting his location and that he'd be stopping to check on a couple motorists by the side of the road and would be unavailable for a few minutes. Not every action by the police is big-brotherly. Some of it, they're just trying to make sure the get home alive at the end of thier shifts. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 10:14:51 2004 Subject: RE: Bike story from lunch Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:14:23 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Julian; Good on ya for stopping to help a fellow motorcyclist. Much more so than when driving a cage, breaking down at the side of the road can be a colossal PITA, and the number of folks who emulate the parable of the good Samaritan are dwindling. When I was a newbie rider, if a biker needed help, they would place their helmet on the ground, but now that good helmet handling practice recommends doing so when off the bike, I have stopped several times for motorcyclists that had pulled over to take a break or make a phone call... ;-/ Better to stop too many times than ignore someone that really could use assistance, I guess. To the comments on the LEO's actions and/or motivations; I tend to view with suspicion any individual drawn to a profession centered on carrying weapons and exercising authority over others. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times an officer has stopped to offer assistance when I was changing a tire or checking under the hood at the side of the road, but I've lost count of the times I've been pulled over on harassing pretext stops for brake light out or similar minor infractions. Just as with any generalization, I am sure there are good apples in the barrel, but the fraction of persons exemplifying the ideal of "Protect and Serve" is almost nil. Yep, I'd tend to suspect the worst when an LOE stops and stays in vehicle for a while before approaching. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 10:21:24 2004 Subject: Bike story from lunch Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:21:18 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Verde, Robert" , Well I was going to add that what the cop did was standard operating procedure. I don't hold it against him in anyway at all. I did notice that his body language and approach was very wary, more than I have ever seen when being pulled over for speeding in a car- not that I would have any experience with that. I did not mean to write editorially and provide the image of the cop as negative....ultimately he was doing his job and he did pull over. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 10:22:31 2004 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:22:22 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: "Verde, Robert" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike story from lunch Verde, Robert wrote: > To the comments on the LEO's actions and/or motivations; I tend to view with suspicion any individual drawn to a profession centered on carrying weapons and exercising authority over others. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times an officer has stopped to offer assistance when I was changing a tire or checking under the hood at the side of the road, but I've lost count of the times I've been pulled over on harassing pretext stops for brake light out or similar minor infractions. I have to agree here. Time and time again, I see people broken down on the side of the highway, and a cop just blows on by without even a second look. WTF? Isn't it their job to help people in distress? They're very happy to sit by the side of the road and "protect" us from people driving 10mph over the speed limit though. One thing I have noted since moving out of the DC metro area though ... it's not like that everywhere (in terms of cops not helping). Here in Dover I routinely see the police stopping to assist motorists, which is a nice change. They also just generally seem nicer overall. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 10:24:09 2004 From: rjmoran@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 2001 GSX-R600 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:24:01 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cmptb3JhbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Posting this for a friend; don't email me about this, please. Blue and White, stock everything, slightly scuffed on right fairing. Runs perfectly. 2000 miles $4700 OBO Call Herb 703.727.3861 or email hlc104@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 10:30:05 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike story from lunch On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Verde, Robert wrote: > > To the comments on the LEO's actions and/or motivations; I believe there's a big difference between a "law enforcement officer" and a "police officer." The LEO is there to enforce laws. The police officer is the guy who's there to "protect and serve." JMO, of course. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 10:38:48 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:38:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Bike story from lunch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >To the comments on the LEO's actions and/or motivations; I tend to view with suspicion any individual drawn to a profession centered on carrying weapons and exercising authority over others. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times an officer has stopped to offer assistance when I was changing a tire or checking under the hood at the side of the road, but I've lost count of the times I've been pulled over on harassing pretext stops for brake light out or similar minor infractions. [Dave] I'm not sure about MD, but I think you have to either 1: call for help or 2: be a scantily clad woman of astounding beauty for a cop to stop and help. In VA, I've had and seen several cops - State, and FFX county stop to ask if assistance was needed, offer to call for a tow truck or the like. I don't know - or care - if they ran my plates. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 10:40:03 2004 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FS: 1996 Honda CBR900RR Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:39:55 -0400 Red, 9800 miles, D&D, bra, garaged, looks and runs great $4500 obo Call Wes at 703.608.2199 or email at wes@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 10:45:46 2004 To: DC Cycles From: Sunil Doshi Subject: Follow-up to "The Mother of All Parking Tickets" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:45:43 -0400 I've been meaning to post a follow-up to my parking ticket quandary that I sent to the list a while back (copied at the bottom of this message). I went to fight the ticket in court. The Magistrate heard my argument and said that I was in the right. The motorcycle parking on that street is a "pocket" of parking during rush hour... while cars can't park on that street between 4-6:30, motorcycles can park between the signs during that time. I have a creeping feeling that this may change any day. I was still a little hesitant to park there after getting a ticket for $100, but I started again because of how convenient it is. I figure I'll make a copy of the ruling and send it to the city if they nab me again. Thanks to everyone who offered their advice... >>> BEGIN ORIGINAL POST <<< Starting a few weeks ago, I began parking at a new set of motorcycle spaces on M St. between Vermont and 15th (at least new to me). I've been parking there and dutifully paying the meter for a few weeks now. Last night, when I left work around 6:00 and went out to the bike, I found a ticket waiting for me. I imagined it was for the fact that the bike has been in the same spot for more than 4 hours. I always pay the meter, but I was going to wait for the first ticket before I started the 4-hour cycle of moving the bike a space over. I was shocked when I opened it and saw a fine for $100. There are probably some moving violations that cost less than that. What was I charged with? No Stopping/Standing During Rush Hour (4-6:30PM). I did not knowingly park there during rush hour. The signs that flanked the motorcycle spaces only said "4 Hour Parking, Motorcycles Only, 7AM-6:30PM, Monday-Friday." (shown at the URLs below) They didn't have any additional sign on the same pole, indicating the rush hour restriction. Other signs further down the street, near car parking, did say such a thing, but I had only taken notice of the signs near where I'm parking. Does anyone know if there should have been additional signage to indicate the rush hour restriction? Or am I out $100? http://widepipe.org/images/misc/parking1.jpg http://widepipe.org/images/misc/parking2.jpg >>> END ORIGINAL POST <<< sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ '03 Honda Shadow ACE 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 10:50:06 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Follow-up to "The Mother of All Parking Tickets" To: Sunil Doshi , DC Cycles Good for you! I do hope they nix the motorcycle parking during rush hour when the rest of the street is cleared of cars. This is a big problem in DC when people park in lanes reserved for rush hour driving. It backs traffic up terribly. Also, I would not want to have my bike parked in a lane otherwise used for driving. --- Sunil Doshi wrote: > I've been meaning to post a follow-up to my parking > ticket quandary > that I sent to the list a while back (copied at the > bottom of this > message). > > I went to fight the ticket in court. The Magistrate > heard my argument > and said that I was in the right. The motorcycle > parking on that street > is a "pocket" of parking during rush hour... while > cars can't park on > that street between 4-6:30, motorcycles can park > between the signs > during that time. I have a creeping feeling that > this may change any > day. > > I was still a little hesitant to park there after > getting a ticket for > $100, but I started again because of how convenient > it is. I figure > I'll make a copy of the ruling and send it to the > city if they nab me > again. > > Thanks to everyone who offered their advice... > > > > >>> BEGIN ORIGINAL POST <<< > > Starting a few weeks ago, I began parking at a new > set of motorcycle > spaces on M St. between Vermont and 15th (at least > new to me). I've > been parking there and dutifully paying the meter > for a few weeks now. > > Last night, when I left work around 6:00 and went > out to the bike, I > found a ticket waiting for me. I imagined it was for > the fact that the > bike has been in the same spot for more than 4 > hours. I always pay the > meter, but I was going to wait for the first ticket > before I started > the 4-hour cycle of moving the bike a space over. I > was shocked when I > opened it and saw a fine for $100. There are > probably some moving > violations that cost less than that. What was I > charged with? No > Stopping/Standing During Rush Hour (4-6:30PM). > > I did not knowingly park there during rush hour. The > signs that flanked > the motorcycle spaces only said "4 Hour Parking, > Motorcycles Only, > 7AM-6:30PM, Monday-Friday." (shown at the URLs > below) They didn't have > any additional sign on the same pole, indicating the > rush hour > restriction. Other signs further down the street, > near car parking, did > say such a thing, but I had only taken notice of the > signs near where > I'm parking. > > Does anyone know if there should have been > additional signage to > indicate the rush hour restriction? Or am I out > $100? > > http://widepipe.org/images/misc/parking1.jpg > http://widepipe.org/images/misc/parking2.jpg > > >>> END ORIGINAL POST <<< > > > > sunil > http://widepipe.org/ride/ > '03 Honda Shadow ACE 750 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 10:55:42 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:55:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Mark Kitchell , Sunil Doshi , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Follow-up to "The Mother of All Parking Tickets" -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell Good for you! I do hope they nix the motorcycle parking during rush hour when the rest of the street is cleared of cars. This is a big problem in DC when people park in lanes reserved for rush hour driving. It backs traffic up terribly. Also, I would not want to have my bike parked in a lane otherwise used for driving. --- Sunil Doshi wrote: > I went to fight the ticket in court. The Magistrate > heard my argument > and said that I was in the right. ----------------- Cynic alert! Cynic alert! The system actually worked. :) It does seems a little odd that they would have designated MC parking in a lane that's supposed to be cleared for rush hour traffic, but if the signs are there..... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 12:28:28 2004 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:22:25 -0400 From: Skip To: sabmag , DC Cycles , SOAR Subject: Tirerack.com this is slightly off topic, since they don't sell MC tires, but I think a good seller is a good seller, and most of us have cages as well. I ordered two tires for my cage on Wednesday at noon. they had what I needed at about 1/3 the price of local quotes. At 2:15 I got a mail saying my order had been released for shipping. My tires arrived Thursday afternoon. 27 hours from internet order to my door. Now *that* is stellar service. so I sent them a thankyou note. they responded that they appreciate getting letters like that. I just got an order confirmation that they're sending me a digital tire gauge, gratis. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 12:45:50 2004 Subject: LEO vs. PO (Was: RE: Bike story from lunch) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:45:41 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Daniel H. Brown" , I would hope there was a difference, but I think it's more of a 'distinction without a difference', if you follow my meaning. Just out of idle curiousity, I Googled "law enforcement degree" and then "police science degree." Rough results; 933 versus 279. Looking the results for police science, though, most of the descriptions described the degree as a precursor to a career in law enforcement... I'm way off topic now, though, so sincere apologies to the list for soap-box orating. Off box now. ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:30 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike story from lunch On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Verde, Robert wrote: > > To the comments on the LEO's actions and/or motivations; I believe there's a big difference between a "law enforcement officer" and a "police officer." The LEO is there to enforce laws. The police officer is the guy who's there to "protect and serve." JMO, of course. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 13:55:53 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:55:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: MC Parking @ Carter Barron Amphitheatre To: DC Cycles I thought someone on the list mentioned it. Is there any? How quickly does it fill up? I'm planning on seeing the shakespeare play there saturday night. I understand the regular parking fills up quickly, so was thinking of taking the bandit. Thanks, Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 14:41:30 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Another article on US 211 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Forwarded from a friend: Click on "Motorcycle Mayhem" http://www.shenandoah.com/frame/default.cfm?location=http%3A//www.dnronline.com/pnc.html Glenn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 14:57:47 2004 Subject: RE: Another article on US 211 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:57:16 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Glenn Dysart" , Enjoyed this passage; "Shaw and Lewis enjoy riding Harley's. They agree that sports bikes are dangerous vehicles. "Those are dangerous bikes," Shaw said. "They are so low and the drivers are always leaning so far over on the curves." In the interests of disclosure, I have only ridden up/over 211 once, I prefer getting on the BRP at Front Royal. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:41 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another article on US 211 Forwarded from a friend: Click on "Motorcycle Mayhem" http://www.shenandoah.com/frame/default.cfm?location=http%3A//www.dnronline.com/pnc.html Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 15:02:20 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another article on US 211 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:04:26 -0400 Man that article is just so wrong. >"These racing style bikes have aerodynamics that are made to hug curves," >Settle said. "We typically don)B’t have problems with Harley Davidson bikes. >It)B’s the little fast bikes." Aerodynamics that are made to huge the curves??? I have seem some people on standards or cruisers (Moto Guzzi) make quick work out of some twisties. I think he meant we don't have problems with Cruisers, I think the "Crotch Rocket" companies make Harley clones don't they? >"Those are dangerous bikes," Shaw said. "They are so low and the drivers are >always leaning so far over on the curves." I am sick to my stomach. Rob On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT), Glenn Dysart wrote > Forwarded from a friend: > > Click on "Motorcycle Mayhem" > > http://www.shenandoah.com/frame/default.cfm?location=http%3A//www.dnronline.com/pnc.html > > Glenn > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 15:10:52 2004 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:04:50 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another article on US 211 this one is funny, too... "These racing style bikes have aerodynamics that are made to hug curves," Settle said. last time I checked, aerodynamics don't make you corner any better... --skip, steering clear of 211 "Verde, Robert" wrote: > > Enjoyed this passage; > > "Shaw and Lewis enjoy riding Harley's. They agree that sports bikes are dangerous vehicles. > > "Those are dangerous bikes," Shaw said. "They are so low and the drivers are always leaning so far over on the curves." > > > > In the interests of disclosure, I have only ridden up/over 211 once, I prefer getting on the BRP at Front Royal. > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:41 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Another article on US 211 > > Forwarded from a friend: > > Click on "Motorcycle Mayhem" > > http://www.shenandoah.com/frame/default.cfm?location=http%3A//www.dnronline.com/pnc.html > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 15:36:00 2004 Subject: RE: Another article on US 211 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:35:50 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: I wonder if any actual Rappahannock County Harley riders, such as Mr. Kreyling (cited for riding his Harley in the nude) had been approached for information by the writer of Motorcycle Mayhem. http://www.bikernet.com/rights/archive.asp?Article=111703 (Lower half) http://www.zwire.com/site/tab4.cfm?newsid=10329008&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506086&rfi=6 Robert -----Original Message----- From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:05 PM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another article on US 211 this one is funny, too... "These racing style bikes have aerodynamics that are made to hug curves," Settle said. last time I checked, aerodynamics don't make you corner any better... --skip, steering clear of 211 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 15:37:43 2004 Subject: RE: Another article on US 211 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:37:35 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Textbook case of how *not* to write up a story. All the quotes and interviews come from groups or individuals favorable to the announced crackdown, nary a dissenting voice is to be heard. Looks like Jamie Turner (byline) just phoned this one in, not even a token visit to the road in question to see for him/herself. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the "reputable rider sources" were suggested to Jamie by friendly Sheriff Presgraves. Or maybe "according to Sgt. Gary Settle, Public Information Officer for the Virginia State Police." Bleahhh. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:04 PM To: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another article on US 211 Man that article is just so wrong. >"These racing style bikes have aerodynamics that are made to hug curves," >Settle said. "We typically don't have problems with Harley Davidson bikes. >It's the little fast bikes." Aerodynamics that are made to huge the curves??? I have seem some people on standards or cruisers (Moto Guzzi) make quick work out of some twisties. I think he meant we don't have problems with Cruisers, I think the "Crotch Rocket" companies make Harley clones don't they? >"Those are dangerous bikes," Shaw said. "They are so low and the drivers are >always leaning so far over on the curves." I am sick to my stomach. Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 15:39:57 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:39:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Another article on US 211 To: Rob Sharp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX While I dislike the generalization that the article engages in, I also have a major problem with the competitive aspect of sportbike group riding. Pushing hard on the streets is just plain dumb, and the consequences as we all know are way too high. If I lived along 211, I would get tired of hearing ambulances run up and down the mountain on weekends. I would also feel angered knowing that my tax dollars were going towards supporting a bunch of city-slicker image-concious sportbike street-racers. I went on a couple large internet-based sportbike group rides a few years ago and the attitute and recklessness I witnessed there were enough to discourage me from ever attending one again. Now I know full well that not all sportbike riders are irresponsible and not all sportbike riders are pushing it 100% on public roads ... but from what I've seen firt hand, enough people are riding this way to warrant the bad reputation that sportbikers carry. BTW you won't find me on 211 or any other similar road as I've given up street riding for the time being. I'd rather get my kicks on the track. Sure its more expensive and less impromptu, but then again I've crashed at close to 100mph and walked away. As some mentioned earlier, try doing that on 211. Adam --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Man that article is just so wrong. > > >"These racing style bikes have aerodynamics that > are made to hug curves," > >Settle said. "We typically don)B’t have problems with > Harley Davidson bikes. > >It)B’s the little fast bikes." > > Aerodynamics that are made to huge the curves??? I > have seem some people on > standards or cruisers (Moto Guzzi) make quick work > out of some twisties. > > I think he meant we don't have problems with > Cruisers, I think the "Crotch > Rocket" companies make Harley clones don't they? > > >"Those are dangerous bikes," Shaw said. "They are > so low and the drivers are > >always leaning so far over on the curves." > > I am sick to my stomach. > > Rob > > > > > On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT), Glenn > Dysart wrote > > Forwarded from a friend: > > > > Click on "Motorcycle Mayhem" > > > > > http://www.shenandoah.com/frame/default.cfm?location=http%3A//www.dnronline.com/pnc.html > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 16:52:49 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: pagenews@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "Motorcycle Mayhem" To: pagenews@XXXXXX To the Editor of the Page News and Courier, I am a motorcyclist who lives in Arlington Virginia, and have enjoyed visiting that area in the past, both on by motorcycle and with other vehicles. I personally try to ride legally and safely, within the limits of my abilities and the abilities of my vehicles. My current ride is a BMW R1150 RT, which while not specifically designed as a sport bike, is a well-engineered, capable machine. I realize that in any group there will likely be a few scofflaws who can make the situation bad for all involved. I personally choose not to be one of those people. I just read the June 3, 2004 story titled _Motorcyle Mayhem_. While I applaud your ability to select sensational article headlines, I find the substance of the article to be almost completely lacking in real factual content. This sloppy, negligent style of reporting shows a willful lack of understanding and discredits your paper as well as the sources you quote. While sport motorcycles are, in very broad, general terms, engineered for quicker handling and higher speeds, you are remiss to include quotes such as "These racing style bikes have aerodynamics that are made to hug curves," without having done some actual research, and having included some background about the physics by which motorcycles operate. Aerodynamics has little to nothing to do with how well these vehicles hug curves, rather, mechanical handling and cornering ability is affected to a larger degree by frame geometry, suspension setup and tire compounds. Next, while you include several quotes about having had little to no trouble with Harley Davidson motorcycles - a make, rather than a specific type of bike - you include no actual statistics about how many of each type of vehicle actually uses and or has been involved in accidents along these roads. You completely fail to report on the road usage by other types of motorcycles, such as cruisers, touring bikes, and so forth. You appear to report only sensational, circumstantial hearsay about the stereotypical "crotch rockets." It is my hope that these sorts of off-the-cuff "facts" are not the ones used by the quoted law enforcement officers in courts of law, and are not the basis of policies by which they profile users of the roads as a means of selective, arbitrary enforcement. Next, I take issue with the xenophobic stance demonstrated by the statement "There are very few locals doing this." Your paper again, fails to include any actual road use statistics, whether by locals or visitors from other areas. And, while places like Pennsylvania, Maryland, Washington, D.C may not seem local to you, it seems short sighted to drive away people who come from these not very distant locations to visit and spend money at the businesses in the area. Finally, if Mr. Presgraves is actually serious about addressing this "problem," perhaps he could comment on his views about rider education and training, or sponsoring organized events which encourage safe, recreational sightseeing types of rides, or on promoting the use of facilities such as Virginia International Speedway and Summit Point, and so on. It is my opinion that these sorts of knee jerk enforcement efforts do little to actually improve the perceived problem, rather serve largely as revenue generation and political promotion. Do they help sell newspapers too? In conclusion, based on reading this article, I feel your paper is more concerned with the sensational aspects of this story than any sort of factual reporting. I personally plan to not be visiting that area any longer, whether by motorcycle or other means. Dan Brown. Arlington, VA. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 3 16:53:12 2004 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: Another article on US 211 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Which hardly explains the harley rider Glenn and I saw planted facedown in a pool of blood on 211 a few weeks ago. --- Rob Sharp wrote: > > > I think he m