From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 16:44:41 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Altaan Choudhry" , Subject: Re: 60 Minutes II Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:45:55 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Altaan Choudhry" > > AMA REPORTS THAT "60 MINUTES II" WILL AIR REPORT ON MOTORCYCLE RACING > > PICKERINGTON, OHIO -- The American Motorcyclist > Association (AMA) has learned that the CBS News > program "60 Minutes II" is expected to air > a report about "extreme motorcycle competition" on > Wednesday, June 4 at 9:00 p.m. ET. > > As the AMA reported in November, a CBS News producer > first contacted the AMA in late September, claiming to > be working on a "balanced, fair, and accurate" segment > about "the growth, success, and excitement" of AMA > Supercross.... This is a joke right? 60 Minutes is interested in hard-boiled bare-knuckles reporting. They're not interested softball stories on anyone's "growth, success and excitement." Anyone but their own, that is. Paul in DC, who is not as naive as the AMA, apparently.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 16:46:00 2003 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:44:55 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Larry Larson CC: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keep your eyes OPEN! (Video link) Larry Larson wrote: > > The new and improved acronym is SEE.. > > > > Search - Evaluate - Execute = SEE > > Oughta loan that one to Rumsfeld, Ashforth, and their merry > bands of screw-ups. > > But for the Big Cheese himself, it would have to be SEEL: > > Search - Evaluate - Execute - Lie > > -- Larry Dang! Even with the dismal rain I was having a great day until you mentioned that band of hooligans! For Ashforth, did you John ASScroft? A perfect bushite - lose an election to dead man, get a prezidential appointment. Yep, losers, all of them... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 16:51:37 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: older bikes for sale Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:51:29 -0400 Someone recently posted a '70s Brit bike for a friend, perhaps Patti? Could you please send me that email again. A co-worker is looking for something along those lines. Thanks. Rich '02 SVS '94 Seca II (FS in this Sat Post) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 17:09:59 2003 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:09:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: Paul Wilson Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Paul Wilson wrote: > > FWIW, I've done the cheap boots thing, and gotten what I paid for and tossed > 'em a couple months later. I don't mind paying for something I use just > about every single day. A Long Distance riding friend of mine once said "I've spent way more than $200 telling myself I don't need $200 motorcycle boots" - I think he's got Oxtars now, and he's happy. Hork, gonna buy $200 boots when my $50 boots wear out. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 17:12:58 2003 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:12:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Fish Flowers wrote: > Plus, I currently have a big lack of luggage on the bike. SWMBO bought me > a tank bag for Christmas (which I finally got to use last night, woo!), > but it's not large enough to carry a pair of boots, or even shoes. Well, back in the day, when I *used* to hafta work for a living, I used to keep a pair of dress shoes in my bottom drawer at the office. Walk in wearing boots, walk around all day in shoes, and boot up again before going home. Every now and then I would forget, and remember about the time I had to make that first upshift.... Hork, retired -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 17:13:08 2003 Subject: Re: Another sad loss... Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:05:00 -0500 From: To: Yikes Matt, How do you get yourself in these situations?? George >>> matthew patton 06/04/03 03:03PM >>> Heh, if the hype/fear my co-instructors is true, I've got some young gang-banger looking to drill a hole into me because I had the audacity to push him 2 steps to the side so an oncoming student's motorcycle would not hit him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 19:23:59 2003 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: fish@XXXXXX Fish, I have (and wear to work at a big DC law firm - though admittedly I usually throw on some dress shoes once there) Cruiserworks boots. http://www.cruiserworks.com/ Good people, great low-key yet still protective boots, and completely waterproof (as evidenced all too well during the last monsoo . . . er, month). Aaron formerly of the Speed Triple, now of the 1150GS. > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:42:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fish Flowers > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Boot recommendations? > > Well, now that I'm trying to do the bike-only thing, > the boot situation > has become critical. No more caging it because it's > pissing down rain and > my toesies don't like being wet. > > Any recommendations for a good boot? I'm primarily > looking for something > which is waterproof, protective, and low-profile; > I'll be wearing these > things at work (both gigs), so something without > flashing neon lights and > a whirling propeller-beanie-thing in back would be > good. > > Any comments on the Aerostich Combat Touring boot? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 21:39:57 2003 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:37:43 -0400 Subject: Combat Touring boots From: Bob McKeithen To: CC: DC Cycles I stepped up a got a pair about a month ago. I absolutely love them. very comfortable on and off the bike. I was concerned about whether they would be waterproof since no claim of such is made in the catalog. I did take great care to seal the seams with seam sealer and applied waterproofing to the rest of the boots. Shortly after that I made trip to Western Ohio and back. On the way back I spent about six hours in a downpour and arrived home with dry feet. On the downside they are heavy and very stiff until they break in. And they are ugly. You might also check Cruiserworks.com. I have a pair of theirs and they are as claimed completely waterproof. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 06:25:12 2003 Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jun 2003 06:20:46 -0400 On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 14:53, Larry Larson wrote: > Scott wrote: > > > This is starting to sound like an old Army commercial. > > "We do more before 9am than most people do all day" > > Not from this corner. 8;) By noon, I've been at work for > half an hour and am just finishing my first humongous cup > of coffee; 3pm is normally lunch. So I'll be riding > directly to breakfast on July 16th. > While I don't drink coffee, I do drink lots of diet-coke. Caffeine free in the evenings and regular during the day. A *snort* bagel at 8:30 and lunch at 11. > Those small-numbered a.m. hours that some masochist > mentioned don't actually exist in our little corner of > Alexandria. > I thought that was when the partiers got home? > The plus of all this is that I really don't have any > traffic problems at all. > Neither do I. Traffic usually moves along briskly (65 on rainy days like this morning and 120 on normal days; _I'm_ not doing 120 but everyone else is -) And I already know what's going on at work before anyone else. A must for an info junkie like me. > Remember, the early worms get the bird. > > -- Larry > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 07:50:29 2003 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 07:50:19 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 06:20 AM 6/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 14:53, Larry Larson wrote: > > Scott wrote: > > > > > This is starting to sound like an old Army commercial. > > > "We do more before 9am than most people do all day" > > > > Not from this corner. 8;) By noon, I've been at work for > > half an hour and am just finishing my first humongous cup > > of coffee; 3pm is normally lunch. So I'll be riding > > directly to breakfast on July 16th. > > > >While I don't drink coffee, I do drink lots of diet-coke. Caffeine free >in the evenings and regular during the day. Coffee is a must have, though, I've managed to wean myself back to a cup or two in the morning, down from pots throughout the day. >A *snort* bagel at 8:30 and lunch at 11. Man, that must hurt. Especially if it was toasted. > > Remember, the early worms get the bird. And the second mouse gets the cheese. Ob Moto: Killing time, waiting for laundry, and for traffic to mellow and for the the roads to dry a bit, and I'll be outta here!!! :-) -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 08:39:11 2003 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:37:07 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: Fwd: [East2] Call For Checks -- RCR XII To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dunno how many people here are on the "East" list, but RCR has always been a bunch of fun. I'm not going to make it this year, due to other commitments. >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:16:51 -0400 (EDT) >From: Martyn Wheeler >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [East2] Call For Checks -- RCR XII > >The Twelfth Annual Right Coast Ride >June 27-29, 2003 > >Come one, come all to the twelfth edition of what is now believed to be >the longest-running continuous Denizens of Doom motorcycle rally! It is >to be held at the Blue Ridge Motorcycle Campground >(http://www.blueridgemotorcyclecamp.com) at Cruso, North Carolina. > >The Right Coast Ride (RCR) is an annual gathering of the Denizens of >Doom, usenet's very own motorcycle gang. It is aimed at bringing >together biker geeks from the "right" coast of North America -- from the >eastern seaboard to the Mississippi River. The RCR has been happening >every year since 1992 as a floating event, moving around to various >sites within the area bounded by the Mason-Dixon Line on the north and >the North Carolina/South Carolina border on the south. This year's RCR >will be returning to the North Carolina mountains, but to a new location >promising different twisty roads and a great motorcycle campground. > >You do *not* have to be a "member" of the Denizens of Doom, have a >number, know who the Keeper is, or even known anything about bikes or >computers, or anything like that to attend. Everyone who gets this >message is automatically an honorary Computer Geek on Bike and will be >welcome, as will friends, family, and children. Please feel free to >redistribute this message to appropriate regional mailing lists. > >Attendance has varied widely from RCR to RCR, with 36 when we had one >out in western Kentucky to just over 100 for one of the Maryland >retreats. The NC mountains are a popular destination, and we're hoping >for a good turnout this year. > >This year, lodging and meal costs will be handled between individual >attendees and the campground. > >Call the campground directly at (828) 235-8350 to book your cabin or >campsite, and mention that you're with the Denizens of Doom. "RCR >Central" will be cabin #17 by the trout pond, but feel free to set up >anywhere you want. > >Cabin rental includes sheets, pillows, blankets, and bath towels. They >have windows and electric heat, and are furnished for two people. The >nightly rate is $40.00 per cabin. The campground has a central >bathhouse with separate showers and private dressing areas, and there >are also laundry facilities between the separate men's and women's >bathhouses. > >Reservations are not required for tent camping. The cost is $15.00 per >night for a single and $22.00 for a double per tent, with additional >tents at $9.00. The camp store rents mattresses, towels, and other items. > >Late arrivals: Anyone who's planning on a late arrival please let >Sharon (sharon@XXXXXX) know ahead of time. Tenters are asked to >set up near the gate that night, and cabin renters will be left a key -- >if the campground management knows ahead of time! > >The campground serves breakfast and dinner, and they're setting up a >tent for the RCR dinner/ceremony for Saturday night. Dinner costs will, >again, be paid directly to the campground rather than going through the >RCR "organization." > >HOWEVER, we will be providing beer and sodas (soda, water, other >non-alchoholic drinks). If you want to participate in this, we need you >to pay us for it. :-) As last year, a selection of beer will be >available Friday and Saturday night, and soda/water/juice as well. > Martyn will *not* be Beer Czar -- Melanie Drake is the Beer Czarina -- >so it'll mostly be decent microbrew and so on. > >Beer and Soda >$13.00 >Soda only >$5.00 > > >Checks should be made out to Sharon Wheeler and sent to: > > Sharon Wheeler > 12 S. Berrymeadow Lane > Durham, NC 27703-7176 > > >In addition, would everyone planning to attend please fill out and sign >the following waiver, and send it to the above address. We will have >copies at the RCR for last-minute attendees. > >We need the form and check by June 20th, or email sharon@XXXXXX if >you think it's going to be late. > >============================================================================ >Waiver Form >============================================================================ > >The following is a release and Indemnity - >Please read it before submitting your registration. > >I hereby give up all my rights to sue or make any claim for damages due to >negligence or any other reason whatsoever against Sharon Wheeler, >Blue Ridge Motorcycle Campground, >and all other persons, participants or organizations conducting or >connected with this event for injury to property or person I may suffer, >including crippling injury or death, while participating in the event and >while on event premises. > >I know the risks of danger to myself and my property while preparing for >and participating in the event and while on event premises and, relying on >my own judgement and ability, assume all such risks of loss and hereby >agree to reimburse all costs to those persons or organizations connected >with this event for damages incurred as a result of my negligence. > >THIS IS A RELEASE: > > >___________________________ ___________________________ _________ >Name of rider (print) Signature of Rider Date > > >THIS IS A RELEASE: > > >___________________________ ___________________________ _________ >Name of passenger (print) Signature of Rider Date > > > >Please print name & phone number of a contact in the event of an emergency: > > >___________________________ ________________________ ____________ >Name Phone Number Relationship > > >___________________________ ________________________ ____________ >Name Phone Number Relationship -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 09:04:05 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:03:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: TAKE THIS OFF-LIST (was Re: Keep your eyes OPEN!) To: "William J. Huson" , Larry Larson Cc: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Let's nip this in the bud right now. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH MOTORCYCLES. Please take it off list immediately. This isn't a political discussion group. Chris Weaver --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Larry Larson wrote: > > > > The new and improved acronym is SEE.. > > > > > > Search - Evaluate - Execute = SEE > > > > Oughta loan that one to Rumsfeld, Ashforth, and > their merry > > bands of screw-ups. > > > > But for the Big Cheese himself, it would have to > be SEEL: > > > > Search - Evaluate - Execute - Lie > > > > -- Larry > > Dang! Even with the dismal rain I was having a > great day until you > mentioned that band of hooligans! For Ashforth, > did you John > ASScroft? A perfect bushite - lose an election to > dead man, get a > prezidential appointment. Yep, losers, all of > them... > > Bill > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 10:29:08 2003 From: "stephen" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Boot recommendations Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:30:36 -0400 For those of us with soccer-player legs: Oxtar Goretex Matrix boots. http://www.newenough.com/boots_gloves/oxtar_street_boots.htm MCN had this to say: http://www.newenough.com/boots_gloves/oxtar_boot_images/matrix_goretex/mcn_r eport.jpg Buy them in your exact (North American) shoe size. So much better than the Italian boot manufacturers Euro-sizing where you have to guess whether to get the size that's two, or three larger than what you should _really_ be ordering. I think the Italians just want to think they have large feet... If you're a fly-weight, these might not be your best option, but for those of us with some power in the calves, these are GREAT. I bought some Hein Gericke's before these, and they're CRAP! Soles fell off and HG wouldn't do a thing about it. Grrrr. I've glued them back on with Barge Cement, but I'd never buy another pair of HG's boots. And you can leave a pair of shoes at work to wear while you are there. Stephen > From: Fish Flowers > > Any recommendations for a good boot? I'm primarily looking for something > which is waterproof, protective, and low-profile; I'll be wearing these > things at work (both gigs), so something without flashing neon lights and > a whirling propeller-beanie-thing in back would be good. > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 11:28:02 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Boot recommendations? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:30:44 -0400 Horkster huckstered, "gonna buy $200 boots when my $50 boots wear out." Dang, I had been leering at the Sidis but guess my $99 Alpinstars (bought in 97) will last until I get a tricycle or hack. Frequent sole-ful applications of Goop or ShooGoo keep my toesies off the asphalt but elicited an "Ooo, is that contagious?" from someone who hasn't hiked a lot in their new booties. If you don't have waterproof boots, a pair of Totes is hunky dory. Spritz some ArmorAll in them for easy donning and doffing. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 14:59:49 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? I know that Scott and at least one other person were planning to head over to Starbucks in Rockville tonight. I said I was in, but won't be able to make it. Gotta make a parts run for car stuff :-) Rode in today, absolutely gorgeous... except for the cagers on 270 running into each other and snarling traffic. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 15:14:25 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:13:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [138.88.20.4] at Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:14:11 -0500 Well, I will have to make it next week also. Two reasons, 1 I have to work till midnight and two, my bike is in College Park and I am in Rockville. Due to my recent separation and the weather, I haven't had the time to go get it. Maybe I can this weekend, I want to take it to Harrisburg, PA for the weekend. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? > I know that Scott and at least one other person were planning to head over > to Starbucks in Rockville tonight. I said I was in, but won't be able to > make it. Gotta make a parts run for car stuff :-) > > Rode in today, absolutely gorgeous... except for the cagers on 270 running > into each other and snarling traffic. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 15:17:05 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, S. Russell wrote: > Well, I will have to make it next week also. Two reasons, 1 I have to work > till midnight and two, my bike is in College Park and I am in Rockville. Ugh, work 'til midnight? That sucks. I hope you got to enjoy some of the nice weather today. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 15:50:53 2003 From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:50:33 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cHVyZHlqZXJlbXlAYXR0Lm5ldA== Bill commented: >Fish Flowers wrote: > >> Well, now that I'm trying to do the bike-only thing, the boot situation >> has become critical. No more caging it because it's pissing down rain and >> my toesies don't like being wet. >> >> Any recommendations for a good boot? I'm primarily looking for something >> which is waterproof, protective, and low-profile; I'll be wearing these >> things at work (both gigs), so something without flashing neon lights and >> a whirling propeller-beanie-thing in back would be good. >> >> Any comments on the Aerostich Combat Touring boot? >> >> Fish. > >Solution: Get a pair of boots and carry shoes to wear at work. Your feet >will love you. > >Bill Or, if you have your own desk / locker leave a pair of shoes at work, that's what I do. Most solid leather boots (meaning without seams on top) will keep out most water as long as you don't step into a puddle and your rain gear covers the top of the boot. Most of the wetness I get in the rain comes from water soaking through the cuff of my pants which stick a little bit below my raing gear while riding. This water eventually transfers from my pants to my socks which is what gets MY feet wet in the rain. Naturally, your own mileage will vary. Jeremy -- Jeremy Purdy - '00 Yamaha V-Star purdyjeremy@XXXXXX "That man alone is wise who remains master of himself." - Confucius From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 16:57:53 2003 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:57:55 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Radar detectors? I was thinking about hooking up my radar detector to my bike, maybe placing it in the tank bag for stealth. Anyone have any advice, or experience with this? Thanks, George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 17:39:19 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Radar detectors? On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, George Cole wrote: > I was thinking about hooking up my radar detector to my bike, maybe placing it in the tank bag for stealth. > > Anyone have any advice, or experience with this? http://www.motorcycleradar.com/ http://www.saeng.com/ http://www.stemstand.com/ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 18:14:55 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'George Cole'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Radar detectors? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:14:46 -0400 Even in the map pocket, you won't see it light up if it goes off. You'll need to have an external audio hookup (wired into helmet), or a super loud speaker for it, in which case, the traffic and people around you will look at you funny when you stop and the thing is going off and you can't get to the volume quick enough. The in-helmet speaker thing works, and it helps to be able to look at the detector after you get an alert to assess the threat. Mike - V1 96 VFR w/ fabbed mount under windshield 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: George Cole [SMTP:George.Cole@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:58 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Radar detectors? > > I was thinking about hooking up my radar detector to my bike, maybe > placing it in the tank bag for stealth. > > Anyone have any advice, or experience with this? > > Thanks, > > George > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 18:29:43 2003 Subject: RE: Radar detectors? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:27:00 -0500 From: To: , Thanks Michael, I have a V1 and was looking at the optional Remote Audio Adapter, that will be next for me then. George >>> Michael Lynch 06/05/03 06:14PM >>> The in-helmet speaker thing works, and it helps to be able to look at the detector after you get an alert to assess the threat. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 19:07:53 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:19:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Radar detectors? On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks Michael, > > I have a V1 and was looking at the optional Remote Audio Adapter, that > will be > next for me then. > > George Check out the screamer at motorcycleradar.com as another option. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 19:26:47 2003 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:01:49 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: Radar detectors? At 05:27 PM 6/5/03 -0500, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >Thanks Michael, > >I have a V1 and was looking at the optional Remote Audio Adapter, that >will be >next for me then. > >George > > >>> Michael Lynch 06/05/03 06:14PM >>> > The in-helmet speaker thing works, and it helps to >be able to look at the detector after you get an alert to assess the >threat. > > > Check out the H.A.R.D. device. Not cheap, but it works: http://www.legalspeeding.com Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red, STOC # 1157 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 20:41:10 2003 Subject: RE: Radar detectors? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:38:00 -0500 From: To: , That is cool, thanks for the link George >>> Bob Meyer 06/05/03 07:01PM >>> Check out the H.A.R.D. device. Not cheap, but it works: http://www.legalspeeding.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 20:49:44 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:49:31 EDT Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/5/2003 7:50:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > down from pots throughout the day How big is a mumble pot? I was once drinking 6 or 7 cups a day which is of course way too much. So I got a bigger cup. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 21:17:36 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:19:17 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Dan Brown cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: [East2] Call For Checks -- RCR XII On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Dan Brown wrote: > > > Dunno how many people here are on the "East" list, but RCR has always > been a bunch of fun. I'm not going to make it this year, due to other > commitments. > >The Twelfth Annual Right Coast Ride > >June 27-29, 2003 I've got the vacation lined up, and would like to find some other folks who might be headed for the RCR to travel with. I thought I'd talked a friend into going, but it looks like he is backing out on me... I'll know better by the end of the weekend. I do have a cabin reserved with 2 beds, so if the friend flakes on me I can even offer to split a cabin if there is someone out there who wanted to go, but couldn't get cabin space. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 22:24:23 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: GPS watches Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:23:19 -0400 Perhaps old news to some, this happened by. GPS (and other, like upcoming Microsoft SPOT -- page down on the 1st page) watches. None seen specific to road travel, but probably could be adapted (like the mariners' M9?). http://www.suuntowatches.com Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Later for GPS. I'm engrossed in the current "Tribology Letters". (Tribology -- the study of friction, lubrication and wear.) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 22:39:53 2003 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:38:41 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: GPS watches Mobacc wrote: > Perhaps old news to some, this happened by. GPS (and other, like upcoming > Microsoft SPOT -- page down on the 1st page) watches. None seen specific to > road travel, but probably could be adapted (like the mariners' M9?). Sheesh, GPS... Like you're on your scoot, going for a ride. Who cares where you are? A cell phone is good, you can call home and... "Sweetie, I'm in some godforsaken place called East BugSplat, don't know long it'll take me to get home. Err... don't wait up!" Bill Lost is good... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 00:02:07 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:02:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Radar, MD SV saga X-AvMilter-Key: 1054872424:af0b6d938b72360403779e2a4644f9d4 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey V1 is great... just an extra load of $$ for headphones and remote mute on top of the $400 for the unit. For the bikes, I really dig my Passport 8500. Personally tested to about 95% of the V1's stellar performance on many a trip with a V1-owning ST rider, plus it comes with a headphone jack and remote mute switch, and its $120 cheaper than the base-model V1. Have a blank R-A-M base with velcro... simple install/takedown... fits in the tank bag (obviously sans LIDAR) for VA. They need a warrant to search, and it's VG2 invisible anyway, so it's all good. For good measure, occasoinally throw in the Uniden BearTracker scanner which also picks up the MD state trooper's shirt-pocket relay signal and sounds a special beep if there's a trooper out of his car within a mile or two. Combine with a good visual scan, and some common sense, and you've got a paranoid technogeek's solution to remaining performance-award-free. The SV saga (which started with almost not being able to get the rental car, then not being able to get the cashier's check, then picking up the bike and geting an OH temp tag that read "666" down the middle, then involved a tussle with a huge dislocated chunk of asphalt in the middle of WV requiring a new front wheel just 6 hours into ownership, thus making MD inspection a headache) has now shifted from jinxed to outright absurd. The title was torn by a letter opener accidentally by the PO. He took it to his OH-BMV and they said, "No problem... just tape it up. No big deal." Upon FINALLY trying to transfer it all over to the MD-MVA, I was in the home stretch... then a trooper comes over to me and asks me to come back to speak with the manager. "We have reason to believe your title is fraudulent. Our trained document experts noticed that the watermark and individual fibers don't line up or match on both sides. We're going to confiscate it, launch an investigation, and we'd like to send a trooper over to look at the bike." ! Translation - the document monkey flung poo because there was tape on the title, even though visually, everything was obviously the same sheet, just about 2 millimeters off, and any idiot with common sense could see that. Finally talked 'em down to letting me try to straighten it all out first. PO was skeptical at first (I don't blame him), but is now getting a new title, re-notarizing everything, and FedExing it back. Luckily, this thing is worth it. Looking past all the red tape, I've never had so much fun with a bike before. -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com '01 SV650S - "Sugared Voodoo" '95 GPz1100 - "Cruise Missile" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 06:17:57 2003 Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 06 Jun 2003 06:00:21 -0400 On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 15:11, Wayne Edelen wrote: > I know that Scott and at least one other person were planning to head over > to Starbucks in Rockville tonight. I said I was in, but won't be able to > make it. Gotta make a parts run for car stuff :-) > > Rode in today, absolutely gorgeous... except for the cagers on 270 running > into each other and snarling traffic. > I put on the windshield (which I didn't do even for the ride to NC) and wore my wet suit. I call it a wet suit because as long as it's just damp it'll keep the water out but once it gets wet I do to. It's in the trash now and I'm hunting replacement gear. These $10 suits work about like you'd expect. Oh and I used wally-mart bags on my boots with cable ties to hold them on to keep them dry ;-) > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 07:27:34 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 04:27:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: NoVA: MSF Required? Is the MSF course required to get a moto endorsement in VA? A coworker was just commenting on how cute my new bike is (SWMBO sez it looks like Smurf Barf, so this opinion is not universal), and on how much she'd like to get her license in VA. Apparently she's ridden her father's Harleys before, and some offroad stuff, but no serious street riding. I mentioned the MSF course with high praise, and she allowed as to how she'd like to take it, but was disappointed that it was always booked solid. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 07:39:31 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 04:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: No More Nighthawk 750s. SWMBO is making me sell her old cage. (Anyone want to buy a 93 Grand Am V6, auto, 110k, $1200?) A guy came down yesterday afternoon to look at it, who turned out to be Paul, the manager of Honda Powersports of Crofton, up on MD-3. I mentioned that I'd just been in his shop two days ago, and was a little disappointed to see a big lack of Nighthawk 750s... to which his response was "Yeah, we're unlikely to get any more -- they're discontinuing the model. This is the last year they'll be sold." I haven't seen anything about this in the moto press. The Honda website is, shall we say, uninformative on the issue. Anyone heard anything on this? Blah! This makes me inexplicably sad. I always sort of liked the CB750, and the price was certainly better than the 919, which (according to Paul) is supposed to take up the role of Honda's naked standard. And Honda's never been very good about offering a midsize standard, either. Fish. 91 gs500e 92 gs500e (b0rken) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 07:45:30 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 04:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Feast in the East IX (fwd) Anyone thinking of going to FitE IX this year? MapQuest seems to think that Statesville, NC is about 7 hours from here, and the rally itself is only 11 hours long. Seems like it might be doable for a first rally... (If they accept newbies and noodniks like me, that is.) Fish. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:29:53 -0400 From: Bryan Moody To: LD List Riders Subject: LDRider: Feast in the East IX The 9th Annual Feast in the East Rally and Feast registration is now open. Returning to North Carolina and the "mini-rally/early bonus" format that we pioneered back in 1999! Details at: http://www.automated-design.com/feast Come on! We'll have a great time. Bryan Moody FitE 5,6,7,9 Rallymaster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 07:49:57 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:48:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: NoVA: MSF Required? Fish Flowers wrote: > Is the MSF course required to get a moto endorsement in VA? No. One can pass the DMV M/C written test and get a learners permit and after a short time take the riding portion of the test. The riding test is a pisser, she'll need a easy to handle light bike. Sport bikes with limited steering lock-to-lock and mega-cruisers are cone squashers. > A coworker was just commenting on how cute my new bike is (SWMBO sez it > looks like Smurf Barf, so this opinion is not universal), and on how much > she'd like to get her license in VA. Apparently she's ridden her father's > Harleys before, and some offroad stuff, but no serious street riding. I > mentioned the MSF course with high praise, and she allowed as to how she'd > like to take it, but was disappointed that it was always booked solid. Methinks booked to Sept/Oct - not solid, and she'll never get a class without registering. Register. Call in under the squeaky wheel gets the grease rule and try to jump into a cancellation spot. Or, try Germana (Fredricksburg) or Lord Fairfax (Winchester). I don't think there as booked up as our suburban sites. > > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 08:02:25 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:01:25 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Feast in the East IX (fwd) Fish Flowers wrote: > Anyone thinking of going to FitE IX this year? MapQuest seems to think > that Statesville, NC is about 7 hours from here, and the rally itself is > only 11 hours long. Seems like it might be doable for a first rally... (If > they accept newbies and noodniks like me, that is.) > > Fish. 7 hours is about right. Close to my Southern Belles's home port of Spencer NC. You can do superslab I-95 to I-85, or I-66 to I-81 to I-77, or do Route 29 all the way down, add a couple hours. That will get you close, Statesville is off the slab track a bit. Not sure what the feast is, but I'm guessing Carolina Barbeque. Statesville is near the Famous Lexington #1 Barbeque. Chow so good you won't quit eating until they have to roll you out to your bike *urp*. If you go and happen to see a tall redhead named Gladys, tell her Carpetbagger sends his regards. Um, be prepared to run for your life :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 08:58:08 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:00:16 -0400 Subject: FW: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! From: Steve Miller To: FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the Maryland area. ---------- From: "scratch3386" Reply-To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:39:35 -0000 To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last night that Edge Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other day. Edge specialized in race-ready crotchrockets, Suzuki's in particular IIRC. According to the news report (which I'll post a link to as soon as I can find it) the police noticed activity there late at night, decided to check it out, found the owner and/or employees working on bikes, ran the tags on one of the bikes in the shop, and it came back 'stolen'. Further investigation turned up several stolen bikes, frames with the VIN's ground off, parts galore. If you or someone you know has lost a bike in the last couple months (particularly a 'Zuk crotchrocket), ya might wanna check with the Howard Co. police department to see if it wound up there.... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SV650_BALT_DC-unsubscribe@XXXXXX Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:04:15 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 06:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Since most of the owners of those bikes have probably been paid off by their respective insurance companies, I wonder if there will eventually be an auction by the county to sell the bikes and parts? Hmm... track bikes... Chris --- Steve Miller wrote: > FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the > Maryland area. > From: "scratch3386" > Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! > > I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last > night that Edge > Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other > day. Edge > specialized in race-ready crotchrockets, Suzuki's in > particular IIRC. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:16:43 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:15:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Feast in the East IX (fwd) To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Fish Flowers wrote: > > Anyone thinking of going to FitE IX this year? You bet your sweet bippy (whatever the heck that means). Bryan Moody is a friend of mine, and he runs an excellent rally. I've really enjoyed myself the 3 other times I've run in the Feast. I'm sending in the registration this morning. > MapQuest seems to think > that Statesville, NC is about 7 hours from here, and the rally itself is > only 11 hours long. Seems like it might be doable for a first rally... (If > they accept newbies and noodniks like me, that is.) It was my first rally, too. There is some really nice riding down there, and Bryan seems to know most of the good roads. It's also a nice way to "try out" endurance riding without risking being on the North Side of Lake Michigan at 3am when you discover that you aren't having fun anymore. :) Icantwaitcantwaitcantwait. Hork > Fish. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:29:53 -0400 > From: Bryan Moody > To: LD List Riders > Subject: LDRider: Feast in the East IX > > The 9th Annual Feast in the East Rally and Feast registration is now open. > > Returning to North Carolina and the "mini-rally/early bonus" format that we > pioneered back in 1999! > > Details at: > http://www.automated-design.com/feast > > Come on! We'll have a great time. > > Bryan Moody > FitE 5,6,7,9 Rallymaster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:19:22 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:31:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > Since most of the owners of those bikes have probably > been paid off by their respective insurance companies, > I wonder if there will eventually be an auction by the > county to sell the bikes and parts? Hmm... track > bikes... Seems to me that the insurance companies would own the bikes, not the county. Do the insurance companies have regular auctions to dispose of vehicles in this condition? Either way, it sucks for the owners of the bikes :-( I'd be distraut if some dirtbag stole my motorcycle. Not from a financial standpoint, but just the fact that it's *my* bike and although I don't have a lot of mods, I have put a lot of time/TLC into the bike. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:21:49 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'George Cole'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Radar detectors? Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:21:40 -0400 I was bored with it raining and all so I installed one I had in my truck on my gsxr600. I ordered a stem stand. I also put in a 12v plug thing from radio shack that is flush mounted in the trunk. So now I can plug my phone and charge it while I ride. I'll post some pictures later. -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Radar detectors? I was thinking about hooking up my radar detector to my bike, maybe placing it in the tank bag for stealth. Anyone have any advice, or experience with this? Thanks, George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:23:40 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:22:08 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. At 07:39 AM 6/6/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: >Blah! This makes me inexplicably sad. I always sort of liked the CB750, >and the price was certainly better than the 919, which (according to Paul) >is supposed to take up the role of Honda's naked standard. And Honda's >never been very good about offering a midsize standard, either. Its a lot of peoples' first bike, but rarely their lifelong companion. I always said I would have kept mine if I had the money and room. But that is true of any bike I guess. I liked everything about the CB750 except power delivery and sportiness, but it wasn't designed as a superbike. And back on the SV v VFR thread ..... I won't be replacing my VFR with an SV, just complementing that side of the garage with one ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:28:41 2003 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:28:28 -0400 I think it may be more complicated than that. I've had one CBR totalled by a hit and run driver, a run in with a flying brick of concrete on a beltway offramp and another CBR stolen. If my current ride gets ripped off, I'll get reimbursed but I'll get cancelled for sure. At that point the cost of insurance from another company would be prohibitive and my riding days would come to an end. I see bike thieves as a direct threat to my riding and I do everything I can to protect it. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Tech Support: "What's on your screen right now?" Customer: "A stuffed animal that my boyfriend got me at the grocery store." Either way, it sucks for the owners of the bikes :-( I'd be distraut if some dirtbag stole my motorcycle. Not from a financial standpoint, but just the fact that it's *my* bike and although I don't have a lot of mods, I have put a lot of time/TLC into the bike. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:48:08 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:50:27 -0400 Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. From: Steve Miller To: DC-Cycles on 6/6/03 7:39 AM, Fish Flowers at fish@XXXXXX wrote: >And Honda's > never been very good about offering a midsize standard, either. > Not true. In the late 1980s they had the CB1, Hawk GT, and GB500. And in the early to mid 1970s, you had MANY middleweight standards, most notably the CB350 twins and fours, the CB400F Supersport, the CB500/550 Fours, etc. That was when the 750 was a "big" bike, and "small bikes" were under 250cc. I'm a little surprised that Honda hasn't come out with a new version of the Hawk GT to compete with the SV 650, which seems to be selling well. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:49:03 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 06:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Feast in the East IX (fwd) To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles I'm going. I'll sign up for the rally as soon as I can sell another $70 in parts to get the money into my PayPal account. Leon. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Anyone thinking of going to FitE IX this year? > MapQuest seems to think > that Statesville, NC is about 7 hours from here, and > the rally itself is > only 11 hours long. Seems like it might be doable > for a first rally... (If > they accept newbies and noodniks like me, that is.) > > Fish. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:29:53 -0400 > From: Bryan Moody > To: LD List Riders > Subject: LDRider: Feast in the East IX > > The 9th Annual Feast in the East Rally and Feast > registration is now open. > > Returning to North Carolina and the > "mini-rally/early bonus" format that we > pioneered back in 1999! > > Details at: > http://www.automated-design.com/feast > > Come on! We'll have a great time. > > Bryan Moody > FitE 5,6,7,9 Rallymaster > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 10:00:06 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:53:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Feast in the East IX (fwd) To: Leon Begeman Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Leon Begeman wrote: > > I'm going. I'll sign up for the rally as soon as I > can sell another $70 in parts to get the money into my > PayPal account. Heh, I only had about $40 in my account, so I snail mailed a check instead. :) I don't suppose the 250s have the same junction box as the Connies, do they? I could use a spare. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 10:07:53 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:09:47 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > > Blah! This makes me inexplicably sad. I always sort of liked the CB750, > and the price was certainly better than the 919, which (according to Paul) > is supposed to take up the role of Honda's naked standard. And Honda's > never been very good about offering a midsize standard, either. > My first bike too, but I didn't regret "moving on." The Honda does make a variety of mid-range standards, BTW. They just choose not to sell them in the States. The CB500, CB500S, CB600F, CB500FS, for example. http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles Click on "traditional." Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 10:25:22 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > The Honda does make a variety of mid-range standards, BTW. They just > choose not to sell them in the States. The CB500, CB500S, CB600F, > CB500FS, for example. Wishful thinking: Honda ups the displacement on the CB600F slightly (so as not to compete directly with supersport 600s) and markets it in the US as, say, the 616, the 919's little brother. That'd be sweet. Fish. they have a better website, too From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 10:55:52 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:55:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Radar, MD SV saga >fits in the tank bag (obviously sans LIDAR) for VA. >They need a warrant to search, Nope - just Probable Cause. Your hitting your brakes just after they paint you with radar once or twice furnishes that. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 11:29:28 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:29:17 EDT Subject: Re: NoVA: MSF Required? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2003 7:27:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > Is the MSF course required to get a moto endorsement in VA? No. If she can take the course during the week, she may be able to find one, the weekend classes fill quickly. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 11:32:04 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:31:53 EDT Subject: Re: Feast in the East IX (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2003 9:17:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > You bet your sweet bippy (whatever the heck that means). It means you are old enough to remember "Laugh In." John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 11:36:34 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:35:52 EDT Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2003 9:19:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > Do the insurance companies have regular auctions to dispose of > vehicles I think they aught to auction the dirtbags that stole em. Buy one and do whatever you like to em, I have a tree out back that could use "ornamentation." John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 11:39:01 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:38:41 EDT Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2003 9:48:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, freecat@XXXXXX writes: > I'm a little surprised that Honda hasn't come out with a new version of the > Hawk GT to compete with the SV 650, which seems to be selling well. Not to mention they are stll using the engine in Europe. Oh well "once burned, twice shy" I guess. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 12:48:21 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:48:05 -0400 In my experience, when you go to state run police auctions, if the police have confiscated vehicles or property for whatever reason (drugs, chop shop, illegal trespass), the state feels free to auction those vehicles off. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F 93 Caprice - state auction 88 RamCharger - state auction 94 B350 Van - state auction > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [SMTP:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:31 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Since most of the owners of those bikes have probably > > been paid off by their respective insurance companies, > > I wonder if there will eventually be an auction by the > > county to sell the bikes and parts? Hmm... track > > bikes... > > Seems to me that the insurance companies would own the bikes, not the > county. Do the insurance companies have regular auctions to dispose of > vehicles in this condition? > > Either way, it sucks for the owners of the bikes :-( I'd be distraut if > some dirtbag stole my motorcycle. Not from a financial standpoint, but > just the fact that it's *my* bike and although I don't have a lot of mods, > I have put a lot of time/TLC into the bike. :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 12:50:50 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Steve Miller , Subject: Re: FW: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:50:48 -0500 Yeah I saw that on the news too, wasn't there another ring busted in DC not to long ago. Rob On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:00:16 -0400, Steve Miller wrote > FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the Maryland area. > > ---------- > From: "scratch3386" > Reply-To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:39:35 -0000 > To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX > Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! > > I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last night that Edge > Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other day. Edge > specialized in race-ready crotchrockets, Suzuki's in particular IIRC. > > According to the news report (which I'll post a link to as soon as I > can find it) the police noticed activity there late at night, > decided to check it out, found the owner and/or employees working on > bikes, ran the tags on one of the bikes in the shop, and it came > back 'stolen'. Further investigation turned up several stolen > bikes, frames with the VIN's ground off, parts galore. > > If you or someone you know has lost a bike in the last couple months > (particularly a 'Zuk crotchrocket), ya might wanna check with the > Howard Co. police department to see if it wound up there.... > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SV650_BALT_DC-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 12:58:44 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:58:36 -0400 If I'm remembering correctly, the CB600F has a detuned CBR600 motor and is the single best selling bike in Europe. Just got back from Italy and they were everywhere, slicing up traffic like a hot knife thru butta. Oh, and the v-twin 650 Hawk motor is still alive and well over there. The Deauville, which is a faired, hard bagged, sporty/commuter/tourer has the motor, as does the Transalp (? I think that's it), a dual sport. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [SMTP:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:25 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > The Honda does make a variety of mid-range standards, BTW. They just > > choose not to sell them in the States. The CB500, CB500S, CB600F, > > CB500FS, for example. > > Wishful thinking: Honda ups the displacement on the CB600F slightly (so as > not to compete directly with supersport 600s) and markets it in the US as, > say, the 616, the 919's little brother. That'd be sweet. > > Fish. > they have a better website, too From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 13:02:48 2003 From: Jason Picton To: "'Rob Sharp'" , Steve Miller , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:02:26 -0400 Speaking of which - what happened to all of those bikes that were confiscated, etc.. hmmmm -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:51 PM To: Steve Miller; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! Yeah I saw that on the news too, wasn't there another ring busted in DC not to long ago. Rob On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:00:16 -0400, Steve Miller wrote > FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the Maryland area. > > ---------- > From: "scratch3386" > Reply-To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:39:35 -0000 > To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX > Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! > > I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last night that Edge > Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other day. Edge > specialized in race-ready crotchrockets, Suzuki's in particular IIRC. > > According to the news report (which I'll post a link to as soon as I > can find it) the police noticed activity there late at night, > decided to check it out, found the owner and/or employees working on > bikes, ran the tags on one of the bikes in the shop, and it came > back 'stolen'. Further investigation turned up several stolen > bikes, frames with the VIN's ground off, parts galore. > > If you or someone you know has lost a bike in the last couple months > (particularly a 'Zuk crotchrocket), ya might wanna check with the > Howard Co. police department to see if it wound up there.... > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SV650_BALT_DC-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 14:36:18 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:36:04 EDT Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2003 12:58:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MLynch@XXXXXX writes: > Transalp (? I think that's it), a dual sport. That be it. Honda imported it here for a couple of years, a great bike that failed here because so many do not know a good thing when they see it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 17:15:14 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:14:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: British bike thieves receive justice.... http://www.fahncahn.com/test/bikethieves/bikethieves.htm Wow. That's all I can say. -s- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 17:40:35 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:40:29 -0400 > Transalp (? I think that's it), a dual sport. And the Africa Twin, Yamaha's TDM, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. The only surviving "Adventure Tourers" in any quantity are the Suzuki DL-1000 (I REFUSE to use their name for it), BMW's R1150GS and the Triumph Tiger. There is a smattering of Caponords, but that's about all that's available here. Get thyself to Europe and that genre of bikes provides at least 50% of the rides. Perfectly made for tight, narrow twisty roads that reward low-end torque over straight-line HP. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 17:51:22 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" , Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:50:10 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" > > Transalp (? I think that's it), a dual sport. > > And the Africa Twin, Yamaha's TDM, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. > > The only surviving "Adventure Tourers" ... > > Get thyself to Europe and that genre of bikes provides at least 50% of the > rides. Perfectly made for tight, narrow twisty roads that reward low-end > torque over straight-line HP. > I don't know what the OEMs are thinking. Lord knows we don't have any roads like that around here. :-] Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 19:36:34 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:36:30 -0400 > > Perfectly made for tight, narrow twisty roads that reward low-end > > torque over straight-line HP. > > > I don't know what the OEMs are thinking. Lord knows we don't have any roads > like that around here. :-] > > Paul in DC Ah yes, D.C. - Also great for pothole bouncing and taxicab bingo. A good DP bike is probably of more use in a city than on a fire road Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 03:04:09 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 03:04:04 -0400 From: Jeff Conlin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: radar, SV X-AvMilter-Key: 1054969746:42712cb12716dcdcad3a5bcd7e5a1a01 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey > nope... probable cause... [when you] hit your brakes just after they > paint you with radar once or twice furnishes that. Well, duh. First rule of radar club is there is no radar club. Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes after being painted. Another 4 hours at the MVA today... SV has plates. Real ones. From Maryland, even! -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com Clear license and all (thang ged for expunge) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 07:37:06 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: radar, SV Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:36:58 -0400 > > nope... probable cause... [when you] hit your brakes just after they > > paint you with radar once or twice furnishes that. > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes after > being painted. Thank you, Jeff, my point exactly. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 07:48:18 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:48:24 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" > > > Perfectly made for tight, narrow twisty roads that reward low-end > > > torque over straight-line HP. > > > > > I don't know what the OEMs are thinking. Lord knows we don't have any > roads > > like that around here. :-] > > > > Paul in DC > > Ah yes, D.C. - Also great for pothole bouncing and taxicab bingo. A good DP > bike is probably of more use in a city than on a fire road > > Michael J. > Of course, 100% of the "fun" roads anywhere are suitable for the dual sports/adventure tourers you describe. My original message was dripping with sarcasm. Mebbe the OEMs think Murcans jus' like to lope along at 70 on their cruisers in a straight line, or at 120 on crotch rockets. :) What I don't get is that Honda will import a myriad of bikes (mid-size standards, adventure tourers, etc.) to a tiny market like New Zealand, (pop. 4 million) where what would be considered a very popular bike sells very few units in absolute terms from a manufacturer's world-wide perspective. By comparison even lukewarm sales in the USA of a particular model represent hundreds or perhaps thousands of units, just given the scale of the USA market. This is something I've never understood about motorcycle marketing in the States. Why the OEMs routinely blow off the USA market with models they routinely sell in Japan, Europe and Australia/New Zealand. Honda especially. We won't even get into why Honda only sells one color of VFR at a time in the States. ;-) Paul in DC, friggin raining again From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 08:03:11 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 08:02:02 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Paul Wilson CC: Michael Jordan , DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Paul Wilson wrote: > Of course, 100% of the "fun" roads anywhere are suitable for the dual > sports/adventure tourers you describe. > > My original message was dripping with sarcasm. Mebbe the OEMs think Murcans > jus' > like to lope along at 70 on their cruisers in a straight line, or at 120 on > crotch rockets. :) > > What I don't get is that Honda will import a myriad of bikes (mid-size > standards, adventure tourers, etc.) to a tiny market like New Zealand, (pop. > 4 million) where what would be considered a very popular bike sells very few > units in absolute terms from a manufacturer's world-wide perspective. By > comparison even lukewarm sales in the USA of a particular model represent > hundreds or perhaps thousands of units, just given the scale of the USA > market. This is something I've never understood about motorcycle marketing > in the States. Why the OEMs routinely blow off the USA market with models > they routinely sell in Japan, Europe and Australia/New Zealand. Honda > especially. We won't even get into why Honda only sells one color of VFR at > a time in the States. > ;-) > > Paul in DC, friggin raining again My thoughts also. I like mid-size standard bikes, utilitarian, fun, and of course -- cheap! My `81 GS550E got 58 MPG even while hauling tail. Other than fiddling with that *&^$% chain and changing oil and tires it was maintenance free. Had an Enduro also, now called a dual-sport. Dang, that scoot was blast! Milady loved riding it, only bike she ever got on as a bike-pilot. But the market rules, screaming sportbikes and Harley-clone cruisers sell to the masses, which reminds me of my Pappy's saying, "The masses are asses!" :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 08:43:06 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 05:42:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX if an insurance company paid on a loss, then that company owns the bike. no auction. :( -- chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > Since most of the owners of those bikes have probably > been paid off by their respective insurance companies, > I wonder if there will eventually be an auction by the > county to sell the bikes and parts? Hmm... track > bikes... > > Chris > > --- Steve Miller wrote: > > FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the > > Maryland area. > > From: "scratch3386" > > Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! > > > > I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last > > night that Edge > > Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other > > day. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 08:53:56 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 05:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: Michael Lynch , "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX drug-related seizure: not an insurable loss illegal trespass-related seizure (never heard of this one): not an insurable loss theft (chop shop scenario): insurable loss and the property should be returned to its owner (which depending upon the case might be an insurance co.) --- Michael Lynch wrote: > In my experience, when you go to state run police > auctions, if the police > have confiscated vehicles or property for whatever reason > (drugs, chop shop, > illegal trespass), the state feels free to auction those > vehicles off. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 10:21:17 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:20:56 EDT Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2003 7:48:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dchondarider@XXXXXX writes: > Why the OEMs routinely blow off the USA market with models > they routinely sell in Japan, Europe and Australia/New Zealand. 1988 +- one year. PC800 (pacific coast), GB500 (clubman style), TLR200 (street trials) Transalp 600 (terrific dual sport _very_ highway competent), NT650 (sport V twin), Helix (terrific 250cc touring scooter), VTR250 (sport 250). (likely more, my memory sucks.) All failed to sell to a public that at the time only wanted plastic coated sport bikes. (Customer looking at a GT650 "eww you can see the engine" True story, I wanted to slap the dumb f*#@. Some models were kept around for a while in the hope that they would take off, most died within a year or two. One year Honda gave away a pack of playing cards much like the "most wanted" given out in Iraq. Each card had a different bike for a total of _52_ models available _that_ year. The manufacturers try and try and try to introduce the American market to new ideas and are consistently rebuffed. You have to remember that every model sold has to have a factory support for years afterwards, parts, mechanic training, and the absurd federal bureaucracy that requires all kinds of bull#&it in order to sell a bike here. The manufacturers have to re-tool assembly lines in order to make bikes that fit laws in each country they sell in, at great expense. _Every_ bike comes with liability, recalls, accidents caused by riders that do not understand the limits and capabilities of a "different" style of bike (god help them if it is truly new.) I have worked in sales and got thoroughly sick of people rejecting bikes that, by their own description of need, fit them perfectly because they were "different." Remove the cattle gene from the American rider and the manufacturers will be able to sell the dozens of great bike that are available elsewhere. Oh, and as for middle weight bikes. I constantly heard how CBR600s were "too small" for beginners. I hated sales because I had to be nice to these morons. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 10:33:03 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 10:32:02 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 6/7/2003 7:48:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > dchondarider@XXXXXX writes: > > > Why the OEMs routinely blow off the USA market with models > > they routinely sell in Japan, Europe and Australia/New Zealand. > > 1988 +- one year. > PC800 (pacific coast), GB500 (clubman style), TLR200 (street trials) Transalp > 600 (terrific dual sport _very_ highway competent), NT650 (sport V twin), > Helix (terrific 250cc touring scooter), VTR250 (sport 250). (likely more, my > memory sucks.) > > All failed to sell to a public that at the time only wanted plastic coated > sport bikes. (Customer looking at a GT650 "eww you can see the engine" True > story, I wanted to slap the dumb f*#@. Some models were kept around for a while in > the hope that they would take off, most died within a year or two. > One year Honda gave away a pack of playing cards much like the "most wanted" > given out in Iraq. Each card had a different bike for a total of _52_ models > available _that_ year. The manufacturers try and try and try to introduce the > American market to new ideas and are consistently rebuffed. You have to > remember that every model sold has to have a factory support for years afterwards, > parts, mechanic training, and the absurd federal bureaucracy that requires all > kinds of bull#&it in order to sell a bike here. The manufacturers have to > re-tool assembly lines in order to make bikes that fit laws in each country they > sell in, at great expense. _Every_ bike comes with liability, recalls, accidents > caused by riders that do not understand the limits and capabilities of a > "different" style of bike (god help them if it is truly new.) > I have worked in sales and got thoroughly sick of people rejecting bikes > that, by their own description of need, fit them perfectly because they were > "different." > Remove the cattle gene from the American rider and the manufacturers will be > able to sell the dozens of great bike that are available elsewhere. > Oh, and as for middle weight bikes. I constantly heard how CBR600s were "too > small" for beginners. I hated sales because I had to be nice to these morons. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer Heh heh. Chatting with a sportbiker the other day ... he decided to change his oil & filter and was griping because he counted 16 fasteners he had to undo to remove enough plastic to find the dang oil filter. You think the japs ever heard of Dzus fasteners? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 10:41:04 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:40:49 EDT Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2003 10:33:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > he decided to change his oil & > filter and was griping because he counted 16 fasteners he had to undo to > remove enough > plastic to find the dang oil filter. PC800, 8 body panels to remove the battery. (easy access to charge) Helix, changing the _REAR_ brake cable. Instructions start with "remove _front_ fender" and you must do it. I for one dislike servicing Kawasakis because there is so much plumbing in the way of the valve covers. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 11:26:37 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:38:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: TN Bill allowing red light running http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 11:46:24 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:45:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running I call that "jumping" the light. To me running a red is blasting thru it. Seems TN does have a prob with their sensors. I rarely find one in No VA that doesn't respond to my Harley, but down in TN the F****rs never click over. The light I hit coming off I-75 onto Somebody Dead an' Famous Hiwy would stay red until I run outta gas or a car slides in behinds me. I've jumped that sucker at least a dozen times, after exercising due caution - looking fer cops. Reckon the cop check is no longer a prob! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 11:51:30 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:50:31 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > PC800, 8 body panels to remove the battery. (easy access to charge) > Helix, changing the _REAR_ brake cable. Instructions start with "remove > _front_ fender" and you must do it. > > I for one dislike servicing Kawasakis because there is so much plumbing in > the way of the valve covers. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer Um, yeah, Kawis sucketh. I managed to get the carbs off an eliminator 600 fer cleaning but no fugging way could I get the airbox booties hooked back up. The bike was part of my friends estate, shoulda sold it non-running at auction. I finnaly dumped it on a college kid with motivation for $900. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 11:57:40 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Tom Gimer '" , "''Wayne Edelen' '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:57:35 -0400 Ahh haa... Then what is NY State doing with these things in an auction in a couple of weeks? NY State certainly has no business having just a CBR motor, and the rest of that collection of parts, other than from a chop shop. FYI, *OD DISCREPANCY* means odometer http://www.ogs.state.ny.us/surpluspublic/auction/Contents.asp?vSaleNo=AU2003 06181 Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F From: Tom Gimer-------------- drug-related seizure: not an insurable loss illegal trespass-related seizure (never heard of this one): not an insurable loss theft (chop shop scenario): insurable loss and the property should be returned to its owner (which depending upon the case might be an insurance co.) --- Michael Lynch wrote: > In my experience, when you go to state run police > auctions, if the police > have confiscated vehicles or property for whatever reason > (drugs, chop shop, > illegal trespass), the state feels free to auction those > vehicles off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 11:59:35 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400 > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html >From the text of the article: "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive periods of time at stop lights because sensors that control the lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of aluminum and fiberglass, not metal." And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a metal. I must have been confusing it with aluminium, eh?. Live and learn. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 12:01:21 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'William J. Huson '" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:01:26 -0400 Honda has. Got 'em on the VFR. Although, they've screwed it up by mixing other fasteners in there as well, so the 1 panel that comes off for an oil change requires 3 tools. :-/ Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson Heh heh. Chatting with a sportbiker the other day ... he decided to change his oil & filter and was griping because he counted 16 fasteners he had to undo to remove enough plastic to find the dang oil filter. You think the japs ever heard of Dzus fasteners? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 12:02:59 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Michael Jordan '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: radar, SV Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:03:05 -0400 That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan > > nope... probable cause... [when you] hit your brakes just after they > > paint you with radar once or twice furnishes that. > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes after > being painted. Thank you, Jeff, my point exactly. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 12:07:02 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Lynch" , "'Tom Gimer '" , "''Wayne Edelen' '" , Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:07:07 -0400 If the serial numbers, etc., are obliterated and altered there's no way to track the rightful owner. If the serial number is copied from a wrecked bike after the perps got a frame from a junkyard or off a parts bike, the ownership trail grows cold. Or the rightful owner couldn't be found due to incorrect or outdated address with the DMV and the property is considered abandoned. Ditto with parts that are impossible to trace. This stuff ends up in property auctions. PS - do you have your engine serial numbers written down somewhere? I don't. Does your insurance company have this information? Doubt it. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lynch" > Ahh haa... Then what is NY State doing with these things in an auction in > a couple of weeks? NY State certainly has no business having just a CBR > motor, and the rest of that collection of parts, other than from a chop > shop. > > FYI, *OD DISCREPANCY* means odometer > > http://www.ogs.state.ny.us/surpluspublic/auction/Contents.asp?vSaleNo=AU2003 > 06181 > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > From: Tom Gimer-------------- > > drug-related seizure: not an insurable loss > illegal trespass-related seizure (never heard of this one): > not an insurable loss > theft (chop shop scenario): insurable loss and the property > should be returned to its owner (which depending upon the > case might be an insurance co.) > > > --- Michael Lynch wrote: > > In my experience, when you go to state run police > > auctions, if the police > > have confiscated vehicles or property for whatever reason > > (drugs, chop shop, > > illegal trespass), the state feels free to auction those > > vehicles off. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 12:08:22 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: Michael Lynch , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" try identifying and tracking down the owner of a cbr motor or a lincoln towncar hood! as to why this stuff is being sold by ny, i haven't the foggiest as to how that property came into the possession of the state, or its policy on when something is considered to be "abandoned" or "unclaimed." are you actually saying that if you saw your gixxer on the news the other night, the state would be permitted to keep it and sell it? come on. --- Michael Lynch wrote: > Ahh haa... Then what is NY State doing with these > things in an auction in > a couple of weeks? NY State certainly has no business > having just a CBR > motor, and the rest of that collection of parts, other > than from a chop > shop. > > FYI, *OD DISCREPANCY* means odometer > > http://www.ogs.state.ny.us/surpluspublic/auction/Contents.asp?vSaleNo=AU2003 > 06181 > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > From: Tom Gimer-------------- > > drug-related seizure: not an insurable loss > illegal trespass-related seizure (never heard of this > one): > not an insurable loss > theft (chop shop scenario): insurable loss and the > property > should be returned to its owner (which depending upon the > case might be an insurance co.) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 14:01:20 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:00:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running Michael Jordan wrote: > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html > > >From the text of the article: > > "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive periods of > time at stop lights because sensors that control the lights did not > recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of aluminum and fiberglass, > not metal." > > And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a metal. I > must have been confusing it with aluminium, eh?. Live and learn. > > Michael J. AL tis metal, but many sensors rely on an magnetic flux, which leaves out AL, CU, PB (lead), and a probably a few others I've forgotton. Some grades of stainless steel aren't very magnetic friendly either. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 14:12:23 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:11:21 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Paul Wilson CC: Michael Lynch , "'Tom Gimer '" , "''Wayne Edelen' '" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! Paul Wilson wrote: > If the serial numbers, etc., are obliterated and altered there's no way to > track the rightful owner. If the serial number is copied from a wrecked > bike after the perps got a frame from a junkyard or off a parts bike, the > ownership trail grows cold. Or the rightful owner couldn't be found due to > incorrect or outdated address with the DMV and the property is considered > abandoned. Ditto with parts that are impossible to trace. This stuff ends > up in property auctions. > > PS - do you have your engine serial numbers written down somewhere? I > don't. Does your insurance company have this information? Doubt it. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org Not to mention an insurance company has no use for a collection of parts and would most likely ignore them. I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but auto engine numbers are bogus. Mopar E numbers are the size and date the engine was built, so all 318 V-8s built on a particular day will have the same number. There's several so-called secret VIN numbers on a car. Only secret from the average owner, the strippers know where they are. And parts that can be easily unbolted, like hoods, doors, front clips, etc, aren't marked. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 14:19:33 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Michael Jordan cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Radar, MD SV saga On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Michael Jordan wrote: > >fits in the tank bag (obviously sans LIDAR) for VA. > >They need a warrant to search, > > Nope - just Probable Cause. > > Your hitting your brakes just after they paint you with radar once or > twice furnishes that. Even if they do need the warrent the LEO will have no problem holding the bike in the impound lot till they find the judge. -j From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 14:33:53 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Idaho State Trooper Helps Stop Runaway Train Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:33:53 -0400 He should have jumped *from* the bike, but it's hard to tell from the account. :-) Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F http://www2.kbcitv.com/x5154.xml?ParentPageID=x5157&ContentID=x42766&Layout= KBCI.xsl&AdGroupID=x5154 June 5, 2003 Idaho State Trooper Helps Stop Runaway Train By Associated Press BOISE - An Idaho State Police motorcycle cop chased a runaway train and jumped aboard to bring it to a halt Thursday afternoon near Boise. No one was hurt in the noon-hour incident. But numerous officers had to hurry from intersection to intersection in the Treasure Valley's western suburbs to block traffic. Police say the locomotive was first reported loose and rolling downhill at about 40 miles an hour in west Boise. As the 400-thousand pound engine rolled out of town, Corporal Duane Prescott raced his motorcycle to a railroad crossing in Nampa and waited for it. The train slowed as it approached Prescott and a railroad employee. But it was still going about 20 miles an hour. The first time, Prescott missed the jump. But he hopped back on his bike and gave chase. He raced passed the engine, then slowed down, threw his bike down and jumped again. This time he made it. An train engineer talking to him on the police radio helped Prescott bring it to a stop. Investigators are looking at how the train broke loose. The only damage was to Prescott's motorcycle, which was scuffed slightly when he jumped aboard the engine. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 15:01:43 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:01:30 EDT Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2003 11:46:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > The light I hit coming off I-75 onto Somebody Dead > an' Famous Hiwy would stay red until I run outta gas or a car slides in > behinds me. Not to mention when they do not _stop_ behind you. I _hate_ being the only vehicle at a red light at night, I know the guy coming up behind me in the cage is looking at the light, not me and will floor it if it turns green. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 15:05:41 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:12:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but > auto engine numbers are bogus They are real. but often different then frame (title) numbers. write it down, keep it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 16:27:40 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:26:37 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:12:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but > > auto engine numbers are bogus > > They are real. but often different then frame (title) numbers. write it down, > keep it. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Hmm... I have manuals for both my bikes, reckon they should tell me where to find the engine number. One Harley, one Norton, the search may involve the removal of encrusted oil :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 22:10:05 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: "William J. Huson" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but > > > auto engine numbers are bogus Generally the engine number matches the frame number unless the bike has had its motor switched out at some point. Some makes and models don't follow this rule though; some bikes get put together with no match in the actual numbers. If the numbers are supposed to match, the bike is worth more when they do match, and sometimes the difference in value can be significant. > One Harley, one Norton, the > search may involve the removal of > encrusted oil :-) Bill, not sure about the Harley but on the Norton you will probably find the number plate on the right side of the motor near where the top end meets the lower end. Location depends on the model/year but I would look there first. It is not usually on a seperate plate per se but rather the case is molded flat right there and the numbers should be stamped in. It will also probably have "Norton" etched or stamped in. Harley and some other manufacturers will re-stamp your engine case if you are fanatic about your numbers matching and you need to drop a new motor in there. cheers, Patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 23:48:24 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:47:14 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: patti rodgers CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! patti rodgers wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but > > > > auto engine numbers are bogus > > Generally the engine number matches the frame number > unless the bike has had its motor switched out at some > point. Some makes and models don't follow this rule > though; some bikes get put together with no match in > the actual numbers. If the numbers are supposed to > match, the bike is worth more when they do match, and > sometimes the difference in value can be significant. > > > One Harley, one Norton, the > > search may involve the removal of > > encrusted oil :-) > > Bill, not sure about the Harley but on the Norton you > will probably find the number plate on the right side > of the motor near where the top end meets the lower > end. Location depends on the model/year but I would > look there first. It is not usually on a seperate > plate per se but rather the case is molded flat right > there and the numbers should be stamped in. It will > also probably have "Norton" etched or stamped in. > > Harley and some other manufacturers will re-stamp your > engine case if you are fanatic about your numbers > matching and you need to drop a new motor in there. > > cheers, > > Patti Yes, I'm sure Harley would agree to a match on an engien switch. After a wreck my frame had to be replaced. The old frame was rendered totally unusable and the new one had the original VIN stamped on it. I'll have to check the Norton. I'd be amazed if a 1966 bike still had an engine/frame # match. I think this one was created from a collection of spares. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 00:03:05 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:57:15 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: patti rodgers CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! patti rodgers wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but > > > > auto engine numbers are bogus > > Generally the engine number matches the frame number > unless the bike has had its motor switched out at some > point. Some makes and models don't follow this rule > though; some bikes get put together with no match in > the actual numbers. If the numbers are supposed to > match, the bike is worth more when they do match, and > sometimes the difference in value can be significant. I should add that if cars used the same engine/VIN # match system I would have spent a good portion of my life at the DMV getting all the numbers squared away. Until 1990, practically every cage I had, and the ones my kids and surrogate kids drove, had engine swapouts and an occasional tranny swapouts. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 12:03:43 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Michael Jordan" , Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:03:35 -0500 I think it's a metal in the UK but it's not here in the US :) Thats why they pronounce it differently. Rob On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html > > >From the text of the article: > > "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive > periods of time at stop lights because sensors that control the > lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of > aluminum and fiberglass, not metal." > > And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a > metal. I must have been confusing it with aluminium, eh?. Live and learn. > > Michael J. -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 12:15:47 2003 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:17:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Stolen GSXR $2000 reward To: Daniel Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" In case you haven't seen this yet... ========================================== FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the Maryland area. ---------- From: "scratch3386" Reply-To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:39:35 -0000 To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last night that Edge Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other day. Edge specialized in race-ready crotchrockets, Suzuki's in particular IIRC. According to the news report (which I'll post a link to as soon as I can find it) the police noticed activity there late at night, decided to check it out, found the owner and/or employees working on bikes, ran the tags on one of the bikes in the shop, and it came back 'stolen'. Further investigation turned up several stolen bikes, frames with the VIN's ground off, parts galore. If you or someone you know has lost a bike in the last couple months (particularly a 'Zuk crotchrocket), ya might wanna check with the Howard Co. police department to see if it wound up there.... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SV650_BALT_DC-unsubscribe@XXXXXX Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 12:21:52 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:21:45 -0400 > I think it's a metal in the UK but it's not here in the US :) > Thats why they pronounce it differently. > > Rob That was my suspicion (they spell it differently, too) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 14:06:12 2003 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 14:07:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: radar, SV At 12:03 PM 6/7/03 -0400, Michael Lynch wrote: > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. Well, less nose dive, maybe, but not none. Bob Meyer "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 15:29:58 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:29:47 EDT Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2003 10:10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: > Generally the engine number matches the frame number Not on Jap bikes they dont. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 15:51:03 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike night Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:39:06 -0400 Not my gig (I wouldn't do it on Father's Day), just spreading the word: June 15 5-8pm Janet's Java 703-960-2900 5735 Telegraph Rd, Alexandria, VA 2 live bands _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 15:53:19 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tuesday nights Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:42:05 -0400 Not my gig, spreading the word: Coleman's is advertising Bike Nights on Tuesdays at Grevey's. They'll have Speed Visions Two Wheel Tuesdays on the TVs. Grevey's is in Merifeild, VA intersection of 50 & Gallows. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 16:10:40 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: radar, SV Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:10:29 -0400 > At 12:03 PM 6/7/03 -0400, Michael Lynch wrote: > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > Well, less nose dive, maybe, but not none. Unless you're riding a BMW with the Telelever front suspension - no dive at all - strange... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 17:25:31 2003 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:24:26 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: radar, SV Michael Jordan wrote: > > At 12:03 PM 6/7/03 -0400, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > > > Well, less nose dive, maybe, but not none. > > Unless you're riding a BMW with the Telelever front suspension - no dive at > all - strange... > > Michael J. No dive, just surging that will shake your eyeballs loose :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 17:50:13 2003 From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Re: radar, SV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:47:41 -0400 Heh. The BMW surge seems to have become the stuff of legend, not unlike that of an H-D shaking itself to pieces :-) Mine "hunts" or surges just a little if I hold a constant 3500 rpms, but I'm rarely below 4,000 for long. Many people have been able to eliminate it completely with a careful TB sync and/or re-chip ping the FI. The new 2-spark motor out for this year may have actually fixed the problem for good though. On the PelicanParts R1100S Board no one has complained of surging with new engine...yet. --Jim --03 R1100S On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:24:26 -0400 "William J. Huson" wrote: > Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > At 12:03 PM 6/7/03 -0400, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > > > > > Well, less nose dive, maybe, but not none. > > > > Unless you're riding a BMW with the Telelever front suspension - no dive > at > > all - strange... > > > > Michael J. > > No dive, just surging that will shake your eyeballs loose :-) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 20:03:06 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: radar, SV Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:03:00 -0400 > No dive, just surging that will shake your eyeballs loose :-) I put about 3,500KM on an R1150GS last June and didn't notice any problems. Then again, with the roads that I was on, steady state throttle was a state that just didn't happen. Going to rent another one for two weeks in a couple of days - will pay more attention this time. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 08:35:21 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: bike night Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:35:17 -0400 Bike Day: June 15th, Budds Creek MX park (an hour southeast of the metro area in Maryland) 125 and 250cc Nationals www.buddscreek.com --jon -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike night Not my gig (I wouldn't do it on Father's Day), just spreading the word: June 15 5-8pm Janet's Java 703-960-2900 5735 Telegraph Rd, Alexandria, VA 2 live bands _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 09:18:00 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:17:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Tank Bags To: DC Cycles Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for tank bags? My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go wandering a bit easier without the process of having to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, either. I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in the next year or so. Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part with? Thanks, Brian Ray '80 kz440 ltd __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:05:03 2003 From: "Herb Manell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: Herb@XXXXXX Subject: Bike for sale: 2002 750 Honda Shadow Spirit X-IPAddress: 192.91.147.35 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 07:04:56 -0700 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host48.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32427 32427] / [32427 32427] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host48.ipowerweb.com Hi all, A friend's friend has the following bike up for sale: 2002 750 Honda Shadow Spirit -Asking $6000 or best offer (photo available) -Yellow, 4200 miles, 3 year warranty, garage kept -corbin Seat (+ original), removable windshield, -3 helmets, saddlebags, tankbag, bike cover -disc lock, throttle rocker, factory maintenanced Brett (301)675-7829 i_bking@XXXXXX Any interest, contact him directly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:08:53 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Brian Ray" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Tank Bags Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:10:55 -0400 I've been very pleased with the RKA bag (23 liter-three-point version) I got used. It's nice and stable and has a big detachable map pocket. www.rka-luggage.com Things I look for in a bag are stability at speed, non-scratching, water-resistance, ease of use, finish and durability. RKA wins in all categories. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ray" > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > tank bags? > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > either. > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > the next year or so. > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > with? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray > '80 kz440 ltd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:20:46 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:18:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tank Bags >My main interest is the map pocket Best map pocket that I've found is Wolfman Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:26:42 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tank Bags Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:26:35 -0400 I just bought a TourMaster Magnetic Tank bag. It's well made, compact (12 liter capacity) and has a zipper which can be unzipped to raise the front of the bag for a bit more capacity. It includes a safety strap, although the magnets grip very well, and a rain cover. I got it for $68 from www.casporttouring.com. Eclipse also makes some decent, reasonably priced tank bags, although I'm not terribly familiar with their current models. If the map pocket is really what you want, however, I have seen magnetic map holders. Like the top of a tank bag, without the bag. The one I saw attached to the tank with magnets. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I saw it, and a quick check of my favorite internet vendors didn't show it. HTH, Bob > > From: Brian Ray > Date: 2003/06/09 Mon AM 09:17:21 EDT > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Tank Bags > > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > tank bags? > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > either. > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > the next year or so. > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > with? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray > '80 kz440 ltd > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:44:47 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:44:35 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, bdaleray@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tank Bags Hmmmm......I couldn't find a magnetic map pocket when I was looking for one a year or so ago so, I made myself one. :-) Bought a map pocket that was supposed to velcro on, a couple heavy duty magnets from the Home Depot, stitched them into the pocket and viola, magnetic map pocket. Works great. Scooter In a message dated 6/9/2003 9:26:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rmeyer9@XXXXXX writes: > > > I just bought a TourMaster Magnetic Tank bag. It's well made, compact (12 liter capacity) and has a zipper which can be unzipped to raise the front of the bag for a bit more capacity. It includes a safety strap, although the magnets grip very well, and a rain cover. I got it for $68 from www.casporttouring.com. > > Eclipse also makes some decent, reasonably priced tank bags, although I'm not terribly familiar with their current models. > > If the map pocket is really what you want, however, I have seen magnetic map holders. Like the top of a tank bag, without the bag. The one I saw attached to the tank with magnets. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I saw it, and a quick check of my favorite internet vendors didn't show it. > > HTH, > > Bob > > > > From: Brian Ray > > Date: 2003/06/09 Mon AM 09:17:21 EDT > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Tank Bags > > > > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > > tank bags? > > > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > > either. > > > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > > the next year or so. > > > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > > with? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brian Ray > > '80 kz440 ltd > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > > > > Bob Meyer > '92 Standard > STOC # 1157 > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be > a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:52:07 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Tank Bags To: DC Cycles On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:10:55 -0400 > From: Paul Wilson > To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Tank Bags > > I've been very pleased with the RKA bag (23 liter-three-point version) I got > used. It's nice and stable and has a big detachable map pocket. I too have an RKA and have been fairly pleased with it. Its one of the lower height ones, which unzips and expands if needed. It's magnetic, and I've never had any problem with it staying put. Used it over the weekend with a non-metalic tank by hooking a bungie through the shoulder strap rings and it worked well. The low height is nice -- it doesn't block the instruments or interfere with the handle bars, and is easy to get out of the way for fillups. My biggest gripe is that the map pocket seems just a tad small to fit 2 sections of a "normal" map, so I end up having to fold maps in odd places. The odd folds destroy maps faster. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:52:25 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:51:53 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: rob@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running All joking aside, for those that don't know it, magnets are not attracted to aluminum (or aluminium for the UK folks :-)). Most systems to trip the lights are magnetic loops under the pavement that look for a certain amount of (magnetically attractive) metal before they will trip. :-) Scooter In a message dated 6/8/2003 11:03:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > I think it's a metal in the UK but it's not here in the US :) > Thats why they pronounce it differently. > > Rob > > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote > > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html > > > > >From the text of the article: > > > > "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive > > periods of time at stop lights because sensors that control the > > lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of > > aluminum and fiberglass, not metal." > > > > And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a > > metal. I must have been confusing it with aluminium, eh?. > Live and learn. > > > > Michael J. > > > > -- > Rob Sharp > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:54:01 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:53:50 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, bdaleray@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tank Bags P.S. I also have an RKA tank and rear seat bag. I also have a set of Wolfman saddle bags. I would recommend them both. They went cross country with me and I had no problems with them. Scooter In a message dated 6/9/2003 9:44:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > > > Hmmmm......I couldn't find a magnetic map pocket when I was looking for one a year or so ago so, I made myself one. :-) Bought a map pocket that was supposed to velcro on, a couple heavy duty magnets from the Home Depot, stitched them into the pocket and viola, magnetic map pocket. Works great. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 6/9/2003 9:26:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rmeyer9@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > I just bought a TourMaster Magnetic Tank bag. It's well made, compact (12 liter capacity) and has a zipper which can be unzipped to raise the front of the bag for a bit more capacity. It includes a safety strap, although the magnets grip very well, and a rain cover. I got it for $68 from www.casporttouring.com. > > > > Eclipse also makes some decent, reasonably priced tank bags, although I'm not terribly familiar with their current models. > > > > If the map pocket is really what you want, however, I have seen magnetic map holders. Like the top of a tank bag, without the bag. The one I saw attached to the tank with magnets. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I saw it, and a quick check of my favorite internet vendors didn't show it. > > > > HTH, > > > > Bob > > > > > > From: Brian Ray > > > Date: 2003/06/09 Mon AM 09:17:21 EDT > > > To: DC Cycles > > > Subject: Tank Bags > > > > > > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > > > tank bags? > > > > > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > > > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > > > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > > > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > > > either. > > > > > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > > > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > > > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > > > the next year or so. > > > > > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > > > with? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Brian Ray > > > '80 kz440 ltd > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > Bob Meyer > > '92 Standard > > STOC # 1157 > > > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to > be > > a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 11:11:49 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > All joking aside, for those that don't know it, magnets are not attracted >to aluminum (or aluminium for the UK folks :-)). Most systems to trip the >lights are magnetic loops under the pavement that look for a certain amount >of (magnetically attractive) metal before they will trip. scientific mode> :-) Actually, they're tuned loops -- inductors, which are affected in different degrees by proximaty to just about anything -- More so if it is ferrous (contains iron) somewhat less if it isn't ferrous but does conduct electricity, like aluminum, much less so if it's an insulator, like fiberglass. The sensors should trip when the loops are "detuned" by having something drive over them. The sensors may not be set correctly though, and may not trip if there isn't enough stuff in close enough proximaty. What I wish for, but, I'm sure will never happen, is for there to be some indication of whether or not you've tripped the light and that it will change at some point in the near future. I really hate having to wait a cycle or two to find out I'm not in the right spot to trip the light. > Scooter > > In a message dated 6/8/2003 11:03:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > I think it's a metal in the UK but it's not here in the US :) > > Thats why they pronounce it differently. > > > > Rob > > > > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote > > > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html > > > > > > >From the text of the article: > > > > > > "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive > > > periods of time at stop lights because sensors that control the > > > lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of > > > aluminum and fiberglass, not metal." > > > > > > And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a > > > metal. I must have been confusing it with aluminium, eh?. > > Live and learn. > > > > > > Michael J. > > > > > > > > -- > > Rob Sharp > > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > > Network Security Engineer > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 11:17:50 2003 Subject: Ride Report From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 09 Jun 2003 11:01:54 -0400 For the past year (on this bike) I've been riding in at 5am since someone has to be here at 6am and I don't mind. This morning starts my first week of the afternoon shift. Be here at about 9:30 and leave at 6pm. I've been sort of dreading it due to traffic and lack of parking. I set my alarm to wake us up at 6am, sleeping in 2 hours. I snagged Rita and we were out of the house by 6:15 and on our way to the gym. Very foggy on the way over. By 7:15 we were done with our work outs and headed back home. The sun started peeking out but I could see the fog in the distance. We took a shower and I started my "normal" morning routine; getting my badge and pager, pen, wallet and keys, newspaper and, this morning my Essential SNMP O'Reilly book. I had breakfast and by 8:25 I was on the road. A stop at 7/11 for my Diet-Cokes (3 liters) and a stop for gas (a blue Kaw pulled in next to me). A 3 minute wait at the light (my goggles were fogging up; I sense a summer problem with these things :-) and I'm on my way. Head down Dale Blvd, traffic isn't too bad. It's a _very_ nice morning. As I pass over 95 I glance down and traffic is virtually non-existant. Where is everyone? I pull on to HOV and there aren't any cars (or bikes) for miles in either direction. I can see way up ahead a car and far behind me the lights of an oncoming car. The morning is truely awesome. Someone on a BMW comes up behind me and hangs out for a couple of minutes in the tail position. By Springfield he passes. There's a slight build up in traffic as we pass Duke Street, still it's a nice ride and we're still all at speed. I noted that most of the cars and trucks are single passenger. At The Pentagon, I pass the BMW. At the 14th St bridge, traffic slows down to a little stop and go. An easy cut from the left to the right lanes, three waits at the D(?) St light and a right turn on Independance. Cruise down to 3rd St and make a right. Another right on Virginia Ave and head down to the lot. And there is only one other bike there. The ride just made my day. I could do this every day. We'll see what 6pm brings and the next couple of days. BTW, I have updated http://www.schelin.org/chopper with new pictures of the frame and a transcript of the dialog between me and Casey Tallon over the late delivery of the frame. There have been many comments about the poor job he did including some reports of frames breaking. One note that was brought up to me was the lack of a "gusset" behind the head of the frame. In addition, the method of welding seems to make the addition of a gusset by someone in the area difficult. Does anyone know of a place reasonably close where I can get the welds checked for stability? I spoke to someone Friday but he could only visually check it. Later, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 12:34:46 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:35:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: You can out run a Chevy/Ford, but not Motorola... ....or Yamaha, for that matter. http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29184 -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 12:42:19 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:41:57 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running Ya learn something new everyday. ;-) And I agree, and indicator would be nice but, it'll never happen. :-( Scooter In a message dated 6/9/2003 10:11:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > All joking aside, for those that don't know it, magnets are not attracted > >to aluminum (or aluminium for the UK folks :-)). Most systems to trip the > >lights are magnetic loops under the pavement that look for a certain amount > >of (magnetically attractive) metal before they will trip. >scientific mode> :-) > > Actually, they're tuned loops -- inductors, which are affected in different > degrees by proximaty to just about anything -- More so if it is ferrous > (contains iron) somewhat less if it isn't ferrous but does conduct > electricity, like aluminum, much less so if it's an insulator, like > fiberglass. The sensors should trip when the loops are "detuned" by having > something drive over them. The sensors may not be set correctly though, > and may not trip if there isn't enough stuff in close enough proximaty. > > What I wish for, but, I'm sure will never happen, is for there to be some > indication of whether or not you've tripped the light and that it will > change at some point in the near future. I really hate having to wait > a cycle or two to find out I'm not in the right spot to trip the light. > > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated 6/8/2003 11:03:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's a metal in the UK but it's not here in the US :) > > > Thats why they pronounce it differently. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote > > > > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html > > > > > > > > >From the text of the article: > > > > > > > > "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive > > > > periods of time at stop lights because sensors that control the > > > > lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of > > > > aluminum and fiberglass, not metal." > > > > > > > > And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a > > > > metal. I must have been confusing it with aluminium, > eh?. > > > Live and learn. > > > > > > > > Michael J. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rob Sharp > > > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > > > Network Security Engineer > > > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 12:55:10 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you ever find that you're not tripping the sensor, make sure you park both tires on top of one of the sensor cuts. They're easy to spot and I've never had one fail to operate when I stop right on top of a cut. I suspect it would be even more failsafe to stop with your engine over a right-angled part of the cut. Chris Weaver --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Ya learn something new everyday. ;-) And I agree, > and indicator would be nice but, it'll never happen. > :-( __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 13:37:41 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tank Bags Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:37:46 -0500 I just got a Tourmaster Magnetic Tank bag from AZmotorsports.com for 71 bux. I haven't had a chance to put it on the hawk yet, but looks like a decent bag. Here is the link. http://store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/nylmagtaanba.html I have always had good luck with AZmotorsports. They have a bunch of choices including the custom fitted Ventura luggage. Regards, Rob On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:17:21 -0700 (PDT), Brian Ray wrote > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > tank bags? > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > either. > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > the next year or so. > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > with? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray > '80 kz440 ltd > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 15:01:42 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: Subject: EMode Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:01:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [138.88.21.240] at Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:01:25 -0500 Does anyone on the list own a ZR1000? Was going through my mutual match on emode while at the office and spotted a match that I thought I saw in previous pictures. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 16:10:46 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:09:46 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: danger -danger! So I renewed my VA drivers permit via mail. No problem, got my brand new permit today complete with a *new* customer that is, by some recent law, not my SS number. Sheesh, there goes my SS# cue card... Last time I renewed I was called in to take an eye test, a lame test I might add. If you cane see the general shape of large buildings, you pass. Seeing as how I'm gettin long in the tooth (Native American expression for geezer), I thought my mail-in would be rejected witha nastygram to get my wrinkly butt into the DMV for an eye exam. Nope, I'm good until 2008, at which time I'll be old enough to go on Medicare! They're letting me slide for ten years without a peeper test? Hey, I have good eyes, but really, a lot of folks my age bump into large buildings. Pitiful... Be careful out thar. That Buick with the left turn signal on for the last five miles may be piloted by braille... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 18:28:54 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 18:27:12 -0400 Subject: Bent Rim From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles I noticed the other day while washing my bike that the front rim is bent. You can feel on one side that there is a noticeable flat area. There's no chipping of the paint and the tire is holding air fine. Also I don't notice any difference in the ride quality. Should I be worried about this? Should I replace the rim? -Rich 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 19:00:30 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:00:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: Bent Rim To: Richard Westbrook , DC-Cycles It doesn't sound like it, and probably not. By your description it sounds like a superficial, cosmetic dent. How large is the dent and how deformed is it? Chris Weaver --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > Should I be worried about this? Should I replace the > rim? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 19:17:54 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:17:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tank Bags X-AvMilter-Key: 1055200972:d528b3e63c725e5b5aac3c5475f0863d X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey Just figured I'd plug the "TIZip" tank bag available at Aero/Riderwearhouse and made by Ortlieb. Not a steal at ~$120, but the price is warranted considering the dimensions, materials, and quality of the bag. Typical Ortlieb construction and quality... which means it's completely waterproof without needing any annoying raincover, and it's friggin' huge. You can fit full 8.5x11" sheets of paper in the map pocket with a little room to spare, plus a few days of clothes, tools, a small litter of puppies, a rock band and all their gear, various contraband, and your emergency liferaft in there when fully expanded. Also has a separate upper cargo net for holding smaller items (phones, snacks, etc) and keeping them out of your main payload. Black textured PVC all around which keeps its structure taut all the way around. Very strong magnets, a carry handle, and a loop for your own retaining strap round it all out. Seems perfect for long trips through varying climates. That said... it's a little *too* robust, at least for 5'7" me on my SV-S. Fully-extended, the bag just brushes below my chin, and in compact mode, it still presses up against my chest. Its footprint is a bit big for the SV's oddly shapes gas tank, but all the magnets do find surface to cling to. It impresses me like those massive earth movers they use for strip mining do... a respectable example of purpose-built equipment. I've yet to travel with it (TdF Moto Crew next week will be its first test). Maybe it will just be too dang big for me at that point... or maybe I'll use it as a tent and guarantee that I'll be dry. We'll see... -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 19:28:47 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Autoforwarded: FALSE Precedence: first-class From: "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" Subject: MAW To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested) X-NJ-P1MID: [/P=USDOJ/A=_/C=US/;USADCML02-030609232810Z-4378] Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited X400-Content-Return: Allowed X-Implicit-Conv-Prohibited: FALSE Has anybody dealt with Motorcycles Accessory Warehouse (http://www.mawonline.com)? I'm trying to figure out if they're just being a-holes to me or if this is the industry standard. I bought new AGV Sport leathers from them and had them shipped to my parent's house so the leathers wouldn't be stolen if some FedEx dude left them outside of my townhouse. I picked them up from my folks some 10 days later so I could wear them at a MARRC track day. MAW's person said Euro 60 = US 50. WRONG! Way too big! When I tried to exchange them for the correct size, MAW says that it's past 15 days from when they delivered so I'm SOL. And when I ask for the manager, he is conveniently unavailable. Anybody out there had similar or totally different service from MAW? I would strongly encourage anybody shopping for equipment to shop anywhere else but MAW given their lack of any customer service. And drop me a line if anybody is shopping for US 50 AGV Sport gray and black one-piece leathers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 20:21:59 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Subject: Re: Tank Bags Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:20:43 -0400 Brian Ray inquired Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for tank bags? ...snip Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part with? *****Yes. For a pittance, a structurally sound 2-piece "Vario" with buncha aging miles on it. Replaced with a new one on sale. I live in DC 21/M NW. If you're interested in looking at it, offline me. "Paul Wilson" added: ...snip Things I look for in a bag are stability at speed, non-scratching, water-resistance, ease of use, finish and durability. ...snip *****Personal experience. Adjustments for extreme conditions worthwhile planning for (tuck away needed items), I.e. may have to bungee for 80+mph with 40+ quarterwinds, cover if parked in rain. Protecting tank with clear shelf covering pays off, can be hidden under bag, and easily replaced if want to show off tank. Safety lash (around the fork?) a must. A handy ditty pocket for tolls/parking scratch, tire guage, etc. a plus. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Feel like a camel with the full bag on Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 20:49:45 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bent Rim To: Richard Westbrook , DC-Cycles i've been riding on a bent front for 10k+ miles. don't sweat it. -- tg (waiting on the right ebay auction to replace it) --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > I noticed the other day while washing my bike that the > front rim is bent. > You can feel on one side that there is a noticeable flat > area. There's no > chipping of the paint and the tire is holding air fine. > Also I don't notice > any difference in the ride quality. > > Should I be worried about this? Should I replace the rim? > > -Rich > 95 VFR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 20:52:15 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MAW To: "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" you don't have to put up with their shit. they misrepresented to you the correct sizing, and they should accept a return. tell them this and demand a shipping label for the forthcoming return. --- "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" wrote: > Has anybody dealt with Motorcycles Accessory Warehouse > (http://www.mawonline.com)? I'm trying to figure out if > they're just being a-holes to me or if this is the > industry standard. I bought new AGV Sport leathers from > them and had them shipped to my parent's house so the > leathers wouldn't be stolen if some FedEx dude left them > outside of my townhouse. I picked them up from my folks > some 10 days later so I could wear them at a MARRC track > day. MAW's person said Euro 60 = US 50. WRONG! Way too > big! When I tried to exchange them for the correct size, > MAW says that it's past 15 days from when they delivered > so I'm SOL. And when I ask for the manager, he is > conveniently unavailable. Anybody out there had similar > or totally different service from MAW? I would strongly > encourage anybody shopping for equipment to shop anywhere > else but MAW given their lack of any customer service. > And drop me a line if anybody is shopping for US 50 AGV > Sport gray and black one-piece leat! > hers. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 22:30:40 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:31:01 -0400 To: "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested) From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: MAW At 07:28 PM 6/9/03 -0400, Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX wrote: >Has anybody dealt with Motorcycles Accessory Warehouse >(http://www.mawonline.com)? I'm trying to figure out if they're just >being a-holes to me or if this is the industry standard. I bought >new AGV Sport leathers from them and had them shipped to my parent's >house so the leathers wouldn't be stolen if some FedEx dude left them >outside of my townhouse. I picked them up from my folks some 10 days >later so I could wear them at a MARRC track day. MAW's person said Euro >60 = US 50. WRONG! Way too big! When I tried to exchange them for the >correct size, MAW says that it's past 15 days from when they delivered so >I'm SOL. And when I ask for the manager, he is conveniently >unavailable. Anybody out there had similar or totally different service >from MAW? I would strongly encourage anybody shopping for equipment to >shop anywhere else but MAW given their lack of any customer service. And >drop me a line if anybody is shopping for US 50 AGV Sport gray and black >one-piece leat! > hers. You DID pay by credit card, didn't you? Then WRITE (don't phone) your credit card company, explain that MAW misrepresented the product and sent you something unusable (provide complete details), and ask them to reverse the charge back to the vendor. That will get MAW's attention. Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red ST1100, STOC # 1157 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 23:25:25 2003 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: , Subject: RE: MAW Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:25:14 -0400 I placed a fairly large order from them a few years back. I remember their prices being low but their customer service and shipping policy sucked big time. What should have been maybe a $30 shipping charge from any other retailer, they charged me about $80. They calculated it as if every single item were to ship separately. When I complained (at order time) they said to call back after the order has been shipped and they'll refund the difference from the actual shipping charges. I did just that and I think they refunded maybe $10, so I still paid through the nose for shipping. Did they do anything terribly wrong to me? Not really. Will I ever buy from them again? No way. There are plenty of other retailers who knows how to treat their customers better. If I'm going to pay some type of premium, like I did at MAW, I might as well give it to some company who appears to care about me. Wes Hsu > -----Original Message----- > From: Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX [mailto:Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:29 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' (Receipt Notification > Requested) (IPM Return Requested) > Subject: MAW > > > Has anybody dealt with Motorcycles Accessory Warehouse > (http://www.mawonline.com)? I'm trying to figure out if > they're just being a-holes to me or if this is the industry > standard. I bought new AGV Sport leathers from them and had > them shipped to my parent's house so the leathers wouldn't be > stolen if some FedEx dude left them outside of my townhouse. > I picked them up from my folks some 10 days later so I could > wear them at a MARRC track day. MAW's person said Euro 60 = > US 50. WRONG! Way too big! When I tried to exchange them > for the correct size, MAW says that it's past 15 days from > when they delivered so I'm SOL. And when I ask for the > manager, he is conveniently unavailable. Anybody out there > had similar or totally different service from MAW? I would > strongly encourage anybody shopping for equipment to shop > anywhere else but MAW given their lack of any customer > service. And drop me a line if anybody is shopping for US 50 > AGV Sport gray and black one-piece leat! hers. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 23:41:08 2003 Subject: Re: MAW From: Brian Roach To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" Date: 09 Jun 2003 23:41:00 -0400 On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 22:31, Bob Meyer wrote: > MAW's person said Euro > >60 = US 50. WRONG! Way too big! Just as an FYI ... that is the correct conversion. A size 50(US)/60(Euro) suit should have around a 39" - 40" waist and 50" chest. Different brands do have slightly different fits, much like clothing manufacturers (and shoes), which is a problem when buying them without trying them on first. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 07:11:24 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Autoforwarded: FALSE Precedence: first-class From: "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: MAW To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) Cc: "'roach@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested) X-NJ-P1MID: [/P=USDOJ/A=_/C=US/;USADCML02-030610111046Z-4501] Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited X400-Content-Return: Allowed X-Implicit-Conv-Prohibited: FALSE Then the brand changed. Both my old leathers and the new leathers were AGV Sport. -----Original Message----- From: roach@XXXXXX [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:41 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Jackson, Darrell Subject: Re: MAW On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 22:31, Bob Meyer wrote: > MAW's person said Euro > >60 = US 50. WRONG! Way too big! Just as an FYI ... that is the correct conversion. A size 50(US)/60(Euro) suit should have around a 39" - 40" waist and 50" chest. Different brands do have slightly different fits, much like clothing manufacturers (and shoes), which is a problem when buying them without trying them on first. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 07:14:13 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Autoforwarded: FALSE Precedence: first-class From: "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: MAW To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested) Cc: "'rmeyer9@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested) X-NJ-P1MID: [/P=USDOJ/A=_/C=US/;USADCML02-030610111330Z-4510] Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited X400-Content-Return: Allowed X-Implicit-Conv-Prohibited: FALSE Will do. -----Original Message----- From: rmeyer9@XXXXXX [mailto:rmeyer9@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:31 PM To: Jackson, Darrell; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MAW At 07:28 PM 6/9/03 -0400, Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX wrote: >Has anybody dealt with Motorcycles Accessory Warehouse >(http://www.mawonline.com)? I'm trying to figure out if they're just >being a-holes to me or if this is the industry standard. I bought >new AGV Sport leathers from them and had them shipped to my parent's >house so the leathers wouldn't be stolen if some FedEx dude left them >outside of my townhouse. I picked them up from my folks some 10 days >later so I could wear them at a MARRC track day. MAW's person said Euro >60 = US 50. WRONG! Way too big! When I tried to exchange them for the >correct size, MAW says that it's past 15 days from when they delivered so >I'm SOL. And when I ask for the manager, he is conveniently >unavailable. Anybody out there had similar or totally different service >from MAW? I would strongly encourage anybody shopping for equipment to >shop anywhere else but MAW given their lack of any customer service. And >drop me a line if anybody is shopping for US 50 AGV Sport gray and black >one-piece leat! > hers. You DID pay by credit card, didn't you? Then WRITE (don't phone) your credit card company, explain that MAW misrepresented the product and sent you something unusable (provide complete details), and ask them to reverse the charge back to the vendor. That will get MAW's attention. Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red ST1100, STOC # 1157 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 07:16:47 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Autoforwarded: FALSE Precedence: first-class From: "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: MAW To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) Cc: "'t_gimer@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested) X-NJ-P1MID: [/P=USDOJ/A=_/C=US/;USADCML02-030610111611Z-4518] Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited X400-Content-Return: Allowed X-Implicit-Conv-Prohibited: FALSE After I figure out how to rip their 'nads off, I'm gonna ship it back. -----Original Message----- From: t_gimer@XXXXXX [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:52 PM To: Jackson, Darrell; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MAW you don't have to put up with their shit. they misrepresented to you the correct sizing, and they should accept a return. tell them this and demand a shipping label for the forthcoming return. --- "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" wrote: > Has anybody dealt with Motorcycles Accessory Warehouse > (http://www.mawonline.com)? I'm trying to figure out if > they're just being a-holes to me or if this is the > industry standard. I bought new AGV Sport leathers from > them and had them shipped to my parent's house so the > leathers wouldn't be stolen if some FedEx dude left them > outside of my townhouse. I picked them up from my folks > some 10 days later so I could wear them at a MARRC track > day. MAW's person said Euro 60 = US 50. WRONG! Way too > big! When I tried to exchange them for the correct size, > MAW says that it's past 15 days from when they delivered > so I'm SOL. And when I ask for the manager, he is > conveniently unavailable. Anybody out there had similar > or totally different service from MAW? I would strongly > encourage anybody shopping for equipment to shop anywhere > else but MAW given their lack of any customer service. > And drop me a line if anybody is shopping for US 50 AGV > Sport gray and black one-piece leat! > hers. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 07:51:02 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Michael Lynch'" , "'Michael Jordan '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: radar, SV Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:50:47 -0400 Down shift and rear brake combo works too. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:03 PM To: 'Michael Jordan '; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' Subject: RE: radar, SV That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan > > nope... probable cause... [when you] hit your brakes just after they > > paint you with radar once or twice furnishes that. > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes after > being painted. Thank you, Jeff, my point exactly. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 08:03:18 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Brian Ray'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Tank Bags Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:03:08 -0400 I have the Tour Master Cortech Tri bag. It's nice lots of room for stuff even the small bag is expandable. I recommend the tri bag. Well worth the $. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ray [mailto:bdaleray@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:17 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Tank Bags Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for tank bags? My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go wandering a bit easier without the process of having to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, either. I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in the next year or so. Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part with? Thanks, Brian Ray '80 kz440 ltd __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 08:33:00 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Brian Roach'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MAW Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:32:48 -0400 Not the only bad experience I've heard from them. I always get my gear from JT Motorsports 301-846-4318 or NewEnough.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:41 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Cc: Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MAW On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 22:31, Bob Meyer wrote: > MAW's person said Euro > >60 = US 50. WRONG! Way too big! Just as an FYI ... that is the correct conversion. A size 50(US)/60(Euro) suit should have around a 39" - 40" waist and 50" chest. Different brands do have slightly different fits, much like clothing manufacturers (and shoes), which is a problem when buying them without trying them on first. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 08:44:34 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:55:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Tank Bags On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > I have the Tour Master Cortech Tri bag. It's nice lots of room for stuff > even the small bag is expandable. I recommend the tri bag. Well worth the $. I have the Tour Master Cortech bags. The tankbag is very nice. 3 pieces (2 bags zipper together to the magnetic base), you can use any combo of the 2 bags with the base. It's very sturdy and has been tested on my bike at go-directly-to-jail-speeds with no movement. ;-) http://www.blueblackbusa.org/busa-bag.jpg In that picture the small bag is zippered to the base. I use the tailbag on a regular basis to haul my gym clothes. Plenty of space. With all of the bags on the bike, it hauls more than some of my cars ;-) The magnetic base has left no marks on my tank in about 1 yrs use. I'm always careful to pull straight up on the magnets when removing it, though. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 09:40:14 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:39:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: MAW To: "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'rmeyer9@XXXXXX'" obviously you must be sure to return the suit if you're forced to go this route. my belief is that YOU should not be paying for return shipping to the vendorp; so first try to have them accept full responsibility for costs. --- "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" wrote: > Will do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmeyer9@XXXXXX [mailto:rmeyer9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:31 PM > To: Jackson, Darrell; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: MAW > > > At 07:28 PM 6/9/03 -0400, Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX > wrote: > >Has anybody dealt with Motorcycles Accessory Warehouse > >(http://www.mawonline.com)? I'm trying to figure out if > they're just > >being a-holes to me or if this is the industry standard. > I bought > >new AGV Sport leathers from them and had them shipped > to my parent's > >house so the leathers wouldn't be stolen if some FedEx > dude left them > >outside of my townhouse. I picked them up from my folks > some 10 days > >later so I could wear them at a MARRC track day. MAW's > person said Euro > >60 = US 50. WRONG! Way too big! When I tried to > exchange them for the > >correct size, MAW says that it's past 15 days from when > they delivered so > >I'm SOL. And when I ask for the manager, he is > conveniently > >unavailable. Anybody out there had similar or totally > different service > >from MAW? I would strongly encourage anybody shopping > for equipment to > >shop anywhere else but MAW given their lack of any > customer service. And > >drop me a line if anybody is shopping for US 50 AGV > Sport gray and black > >one-piece leat! > > hers. > > > You DID pay by credit card, didn't you? Then WRITE > (don't phone) your > credit card company, explain that MAW misrepresented the > product and sent > you something unusable (provide complete details), and > ask them to reverse > the charge back to the vendor. That will get MAW's > attention. > > > Bob Meyer > '92 Candy Glory Red ST1100, STOC # 1157 > "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to > be a horrible > warning. " > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 09:55:43 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:54:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Tank Bags From: Richard Westbrook To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles Brian, I recently bought a RKA tank bag and love it. Its a smaller one, only 16 liters, but 90% of the riding I do, I only carry a couple things. It helps from having stuff fly around in an empty large tank bag. Its also expandable if I need the space. RKA's tend to be a little pricy but their quality is excellent and it has a replaceable map pocket if you ever need to replace it down the road. The only problem it is a little small so some folding of the map is usually necessary. -Rich > From: Brian Ray > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:17:21 -0700 (PDT) > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Tank Bags > > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > tank bags? > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > either. > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > the next year or so. > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > with? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray > '80 kz440 ltd > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 10:51:43 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Tire change costs? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:51:04 -0400 X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19PkTH-000ENc-9v*dj4WIGiFJBQ* What do local shops charge for a tire change. On bike, purchased there Off bike, purchased there On bike mail order or takeoffs Off bike mail order of takeoffs Gary Foreman http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 11:12:34 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , Subject: Re: danger -danger! Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:14:53 -0400 I think we've finally stumbled onto the fountain of youth. Does the DMV use some sort of auto-aging software to morph one's ID image? Add crow's feet, salt'n'pepper gray (I regret to report salt's winning guys) under-eyeball bags, etc. I mean, criminy, by 2008 Liz Taylor could go through 6 husbands and half as many face lifts. Ditto Michael Jackson, on the face lifts. Too bad the good folks at DMV will miss out on the steadily thinning thatch on the top of my noggin and facial hair experiments gone awry. ;-) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > So I renewed my VA drivers permit via mail. No problem, got my brand > new permit today complete with a *new* customer that is, by some recent > law, not my SS number. Sheesh, there goes my SS# cue card... > > Last time I renewed I was called in to take an eye test, a lame test I > might add. If you cane see the general shape of large buildings, you > pass. Seeing as how I'm gettin long in the tooth (Native American > expression for geezer), I thought my mail-in would be rejected witha > nastygram to get my wrinkly butt into the DMV for an eye exam. Nope, > I'm good until 2008, at which time I'll be old enough to go on > Medicare! They're letting me slide for ten years without a peeper > test? Hey, I have good eyes, but really, a lot of folks my age bump > into large buildings. Pitiful... > > Be careful out thar. That Buick with the left turn signal on for the > last five miles may be piloted by braille... > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 11:20:20 2003 From: To: "Paul Wilson" , "William J. Huson" , Subject: Re: Re: danger -danger! Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:20:13 -0400 > > From: "Paul Wilson" > Date: 2003/06/10 Tue AM 11:14:53 EDT > To: "William J. Huson" , > Subject: Re: danger -danger! > > I think we've finally stumbled onto the fountain of youth. Does the DMV use > some sort of auto-aging software to morph one's ID image? Add crow's feet, > salt'n'pepper gray (I regret to report salt's winning guys) under-eyeball > bags, etc. I mean, criminy, by 2008 Liz Taylor could go through 6 husbands > and half as many face lifts. Ditto Michael Jackson, on the face lifts. Too > bad the good folks at DMV will miss out on the steadily thinning thatch on > the top of my noggin and facial hair experiments gone awry. ;-) > IIRC, the DMV actually does have a rule about "significant" changes to body structure as a requirement to update your drivers license. This doesn't just include facal features, but weight or physical ability as well. I doubt that anyone actually enforces or follows it though. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 11:38:59 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: radar, SV Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:38:47 -0400 Just as long as you're not too close to the cop with a big aftermarket exhaust. :-> Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [SMTP:Silvera@XXXXXX] > > > Down shift and rear brake combo works too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Lynch > > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes > after > > being painted. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 11:48:21 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: radar, SV Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:48:02 -0400 Does it really matter? If I paint you with radar and you slow down quickly, I don't care if you did it with front brake, rear brake, or engine. I'm going to suspect that you have a radar detector... -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:39 AM > To: 'Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' > Subject: RE: radar, SV > > > Just as long as you're not too close to the cop with a big aftermarket > exhaust. :-> > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [SMTP:Silvera@XXXXXX] > > > > > > Down shift and rear brake combo works too. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Lynch > > > > > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes > > after > > > being painted. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 11:54:37 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Michael Lynch'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: radar, SV Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:54:14 -0400 True, you can sure hear me coming. Not good at 6 am in the morning. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:39 AM To: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS); 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' Subject: RE: radar, SV Just as long as you're not too close to the cop with a big aftermarket exhaust. :-> Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [SMTP:Silvera@XXXXXX] > > > Down shift and rear brake combo works too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Lynch > > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes > after > > being painted. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 11:56:43 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'jmcgonigle@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: radar, SV Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:56:29 -0400 Does this mean you have experience in the matter? -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:48 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: radar, SV Does it really matter? If I paint you with radar and you slow down quickly, I don't care if you did it with front brake, rear brake, or engine. I'm going to suspect that you have a radar detector... -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:39 AM > To: 'Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' > Subject: RE: radar, SV > > > Just as long as you're not too close to the cop with a big aftermarket > exhaust. :-> > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [SMTP:Silvera@XXXXXX] > > > > > > Down shift and rear brake combo works too. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Lynch > > > > > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes > > after > > > being painted. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 11:57:45 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:55:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: RE: radar, SV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > Does it really matter? If I paint you with radar and you slow down > quickly, I don't care if you did it with front brake, rear brake, or > engine. I'm going to suspect that you have a radar detector... "But, officer -- I was just slowing down to avoid the car in front of me who'd dropped anchor without any warning." -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 11:57:54 2003 Subject: RE: radar, SV Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:57:47 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: In the end, does it really matter if a cop suspects you of having a radar detector? If one brakes, at least one has a chance of walking on the speeding charge. Continuing speeding by the cop completely defeats the purpose of having a radar detector. I would rather have my radar detector confiscated and be fined for using it than to have a moving violation on my record. I don't have a radar detector (yet), but if I spot a cop, I hit the brakes ASAP. Witold > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: radar, SV > > > > Does it really matter? If I paint you with radar and you slow down > quickly, I don't care if you did it with front brake, rear brake, or > engine. I'm going to suspect that you have a radar detector... > > -Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:39 AM > > To: 'Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' > > Subject: RE: radar, SV > > > > > > Just as long as you're not too close to the cop with a big > aftermarket > > exhaust. :-> > > > > Mike > > 96 VFR > > 88 Hawk > > 76 CB400F > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [SMTP:Silvera@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > > Down shift and rear brake combo works too. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Lynch > > > > > > > > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on > their brakes > > > after > > > > being painted. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 12:16:51 2003 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 20:52:15 -0400 From: Tom de To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: danger -danger! Paul Wilson wrote: > Does the DMV use >some sort of auto-aging software to morph one's ID image? Add crow's feet, >salt'n'pepper gray (I regret to report salt's winning guys) under-eyeball >bags, etc. > Carefull, they probably do. In fact they're problably scanning the 'net now for emails just like this. You may get a visit this afternoon. Those DMV'ers may look/act stupid, but they know everything. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 12:17:11 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: 211, Skyline, BRP. I've heard a lot about 211, Skyline Drive, and the Blue Ridge Parkway. How far out do they go? Are they good motorcycling roads all the way out, or only out to a certain point? My spare time has gone down the gutter recently, so the only riding I've been doing is my commute. I'd like to take a weekend and get away for a while, and that seems like an interesting way to do it. (Plus, if I do decide to do FitE, it seems like those roads might be on the way.) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 12:37:52 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: 211, Skyline, BRP. Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:37:48 -0400 211 has one good spot (up and down the mountain to/from Thornton Gap). Thornton Gap is where 211 crosses Skyline Drive. Skyline Drive would be a good road, if only they'd block it off and limit it to motorcycles (and suspend speed limit--which is 35mph). I'm still waiting. Skyline actually starts up by Front Royal, and ends right about I-64 (b/w Charlottesville and Staunton). Skyline Drive's southern terminus is the northernmost point of the BRP. The BRP is a grand ride, and has a 45 mph limit. Many roads running down the ridge from the BRP are fun. The BRP ends in the Smoky Mountains (some 400+ miles later) in NC, I believe. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:17 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: 211, Skyline, BRP. I've heard a lot about 211, Skyline Drive, and the Blue Ridge Parkway. How far out do they go? Are they good motorcycling roads all the way out, or only out to a certain point? My spare time has gone down the gutter recently, so the only riding I've been doing is my commute. I'd like to take a weekend and get away for a while, and that seems like an interesting way to do it. (Plus, if I do decide to do FitE, it seems like those roads might be on the way.) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 12:42:38 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:36:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211, Skyline, BRP. 211 is just a short stretch over Thornton's Gap on Skyline Drive. Great sweepers - ride out make a few passes over and back, and come home. Various good routes out and back to extend the pleasure. Skyline Drive is a relatively short (100 miles or so) US Park road with a ridiculously low speed limit and an entry fee. The BRP (Blue Ridge Parkway) is about 460 miles of winding road with a speed limit slightly higher than Skyline's (45 vs 35). Great road! A long single day ride or an easy two day ride. Schedule three if you want to pull over a lot and look at the scenery. Stay away on weekends and anytime in the Fall leaf season - too many cages and RVs doing 15MPH and stopping short to look at the flowers. My experiences are that the BRP is pretty much deserted in midweek. Cheers, Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 12:49:52 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)'" , Subject: RE: radar, SV Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:49:44 -0400 No, I live in MD where its legal to hit the brakes hard... Just sounded like common sense to me. Cops aren't usually dumb in my experience. -jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [mailto:Silvera@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:56 AM > To: 'jmcgonigle@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: radar, SV > > > Does this mean you have experience in the matter? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: radar, SV > > > Does it really matter? If I paint you with radar and you slow down > quickly, I don't care if you did it with front brake, rear brake, or > engine. I'm going to suspect that you have a radar detector... > > -Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:39 AM > > To: 'Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' > > Subject: RE: radar, SV > > > > > > Just as long as you're not too close to the cop with a big > aftermarket > > exhaust. :-> > > > > Mike > > 96 VFR > > 88 Hawk > > 76 CB400F > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [SMTP:Silvera@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > > Down shift and rear brake combo works too. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Lynch > > > > > > > > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on > their brakes > > > after > > > > being painted. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 12:54:41 2003 Subject: RE: 211, Skyline, BRP. Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:54:33 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" 211 - heavy police enforcement. I heard that they are putting up cameras to monitor that road. Skyline Dr - Very nice road, but deer infested. If you go, you *will* see deer on the side of the road. Two weeks ago, a cub bear decided to cross the street not too far in front of me. The turns are sweet, but there is little room for mistakes. Lots of those turns have turnoffs to overlooks, so various vehicles can cross your path as you are turning. Still others feature a concrete barrier to prevent cars from running off those scenic cliffs. In other words, if you don't make the turn, you are in trouble. If you avoid the concrete barrier by highsiding over it, you will fall many feet into some tree tops Rambo style :) BRP - Higher speed limit, minimal enforcement. Road is characterized by long sweeping turns with no runoffs. If you lowside, you will fall pretty far. Personally, that kind of scares me. I went to Skyline Dr this past Sunday. This is my writeup on R6messagenet: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Well, it happened. I was only 8 miles into the Shanandoah Natl park, still feeling things out, still getting the rust off. And then, just as I was getting into the rythm, I emerged from a nice sharp blind turn only to see a Park Ranger giving someone else a citation on the other side of the road. He probably heard me coming, as the second he saw me he waived me over to the side. His demeanor was interesting. He seemed pissed, but he was smiling and very courteous. We "discussed" the dangers of this mountain road and how there's 1 serious bike incident there every week. As a matter of fact, he told me, someone crashed near Thornton Gap (sp?) just now. He said the ambulance is tending to the guy and he doesn't know whether the rider is going to make it. He said he didn't have the convenience of his radar as he was citing the other driver (thankfully). He made it clear, however, that he can still impound my bike and meet me in front of the judge. He said it was obvious that I was "hauling ass" and that I was going at least 55. (sounds about right) In response, I put on my "sorry" face. When pressed, I admitted that I knew that the speedlimit was 35, but didn't admit to speeding. He didn't probe further. >From the second he pulled me over, I stalled: first I had to take my earplugs off, so I had to take my helmet off, so I had to take my gloves off, etc. He was going to give me a written warning, and asked for my driver's license, but conversation and my nonchallant stalling got in the way. Eventually, in the interest of the other driver's time, he cited my courteous disposition and let me off without even checking my license. He recommended that I leave the park, as he will radio ahead all the other rangers to look out for me. (Skyline Dr is the only road running through the park). I turned around and headed back to the exit, keeping my speed at torturously slow 35. About 4 miles down the road, they had a cop hiding on the side of the road expecting me. I was impressed at how quickly they set this up, but there's no way I would be stupid twice that day and haul ass going back. All in all, the moral of the story is that it is a bad idea to ride sportbike-heavy roads on a Sunday afternoon. Such roads are best enjoyed in the middle of the day, in the middle of the week. The whole thing is rather unfortunate, really. I just bought my 1 year pass to this park, and now I can't go for a little while. I'm not sure if I'll ever get my confidence back on that road. Maybe it's for the best. The park is infested with deer and other dangers. Screw it! As a side note, I used a GPS to "verify" my speedo before Skyline Dr. (~103 bike odometer=~100 GPS odometer, iirc) After my short lived enjoyment of Skyline Drive, I left to explore some of those VA roads. I hit 55, 655, 690; They were all pretty decent, but paled in comparison to Skyline Dr. Things could've been a lot better this past Sunday, but they also could've been alot worse. > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:17 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: 211, Skyline, BRP. > > > I've heard a lot about 211, Skyline Drive, and the Blue Ridge > Parkway. How > far out do they go? Are they good motorcycling roads all the > way out, or > only out to a certain point? > > My spare time has gone down the gutter recently, so the only > riding I've > been doing is my commute. I'd like to take a weekend and get > away for a > while, and that seems like an interesting way to do it. (Plus, if I do > decide to do FitE, it seems like those roads might be on the way.) > > Fish. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 13:01:19 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:01:16 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: 211, Skyline, BRP. Rt 211 was nice while it lasted. Too bad the street racers ruined it for everyone. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:54:33 -0400 > >211 - heavy police enforcement. I heard that they are putting up cameras to monitor that road. > >Skyline Dr - Very nice road, but deer infested. If you go, you *will* see deer on the side of the road. Two weeks ago, a cub bear decided to cross the street not too far in front of me. >The turns are sweet, but there is little room for mistakes. Lots of those turns have turnoffs to overlooks, so various vehicles can cross your path as you are turning. Still others feature a concrete barrier to prevent cars from running off those scenic cliffs. In other words, if you don't make the turn, you are in trouble. If you avoid the concrete barrier by highsiding over it, you will fall many feet into some tree tops Rambo style :) > >BRP - Higher speed limit, minimal enforcement. Road is characterized by long sweeping turns with no runoffs. If you lowside, you will fall pretty far. Personally, that kind of scares me. > >I went to Skyline Dr this past Sunday. This is my writeup on R6messagenet: > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Well, it happened. I was only 8 miles into the Shanandoah Natl park, still feeling things out, still getting the rust off. And then, just as I was getting into the rythm, I emerged from a nice sharp blind turn only to see a Park Ranger giving someone else a citation on the other side of the road. He probably heard me coming, as the second he saw me he waived me over to the side. > >His demeanor was interesting. He seemed pissed, but he was smiling and very courteous. We "discussed" the dangers of this mountain road and how there's 1 serious bike incident there every week. As a matter of fact, he told me, someone crashed near Thornton Gap (sp?) just now. He said the ambulance is tending to the guy and he doesn't know whether the rider is going to make it. > >He said he didn't have the convenience of his radar as he was citing the other driver (thankfully). He made it clear, however, that he can still impound my bike and meet me in front of the judge. He said it was obvious that I was "hauling ass" and that I was going at least 55. (sounds about right) In response, I put on my "sorry" face. When pressed, I admitted that I knew that the speedlimit was 35, but didn't admit to speeding. He didn't probe further. > >>From the second he pulled me over, I stalled: first I had to take my earplugs off, so I had to take my helmet off, so I had to take my gloves off, etc. He was going to give me a written warning, and asked for my driver's license, but conversation and my nonchallant stalling got in the way. > >Eventually, in the interest of the other driver's time, he cited my courteous disposition and let me off without even checking my license. He recommended that I leave the park, as he will radio ahead all the other rangers to look out for me. (Skyline Dr is the only road running through the park). I turned around and headed back to the exit, keeping my speed at torturously slow 35. About 4 miles down the road, they had a cop hiding on the side of the road expecting me. I was impressed at how quickly they set this up, but there's no way I would be stupid twice that day and haul ass going back. > >All in all, the moral of the story is that it is a bad idea to ride sportbike-heavy roads on a Sunday afternoon. Such roads are best enjoyed in the middle of the day, in the middle of the week. > >The whole thing is rather unfortunate, really. I just bought my 1 year pass to this park, and now I can't go for a little while. I'm not sure if I'll ever get my confidence back on that road. Maybe it's for the best. The park is infested with deer and other dangers. Screw it! > >As a side note, I used a GPS to "verify" my speedo before Skyline Dr. (~103 bike odometer=~100 GPS odometer, iirc) After my short lived enjoyment of Skyline Drive, I left to explore some of those VA roads. I hit 55, 655, 690; They were all pretty decent, but paled in comparison to Skyline Dr. > >Things could've been a lot better this past Sunday, but they also could've been alot worse. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:17 PM >> To: DC-Cycles >> Subject: 211, Skyline, BRP. >> >> >> I've heard a lot about 211, Skyline Drive, and the Blue Ridge >> Parkway. How >> far out do they go? Are they good motorcycling roads all the >> way out, or >> only out to a certain point? >> >> My spare time has gone down the gutter recently, so the only >> riding I've >> been doing is my commute. I'd like to take a weekend and get >> away for a >> while, and that seems like an interesting way to do it. (Plus, if I do >> decide to do FitE, it seems like those roads might be on the way.) >> >> Fish. >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 13:02:19 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: 211 and enforcement Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:02:16 -0400 I keep hearing this every year, is it really true yet? --jon ----Witold wrote: 211 - heavy police enforcement. I heard that they are putting up cameras to monitor that road. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 13:04:55 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:02:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: RE: 211, Skyline, BRP. -- NC and abbr. ride rep. To: DC Cycles On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Jon Strang wrote: > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:37:48 -0400 > From: Jon Strang > To: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: 211, Skyline, BRP. > > 211 has one good spot (up and down the mountain to/from Thornton Gap). > Thornton Gap is where 211 crosses Skyline Drive. Skyline Drive would be > a good road, if only they'd block it off and limit it to motorcycles > (and suspend speed limit--which is 35mph). I'm still waiting. I rode Skyline, BRP and 211 this past weekend. 211 was nice on Thursday early afternoon. No LEO's, almost no cars, clear roads. Skyline to BRP was ok, but I kept finding blue hairs driving at or below the speedlimit. OTOH, I saw enough deer - and they were simply standing ON the road - to convince me that staying close to the limit and giving myself plenty of space cushion was a good idea. Skyline/BRP is their home, and they act like it. The deer, I'm sure, see enough cars and get fed by enough people to feel plenty comfortable. Punching one at warp 9 wouldn't be fun. > The BRP ends in the Smoky Mountains (some 400+ miles later) in NC, I > believe. NC, fwiw, has some very very nice roads. Fairly few cars and twisty enough to feel like you could read your own license plate. The short version of the ride report I may get around to typing up is: Leave Thursday noon, Skyline to BRP to something (va 128, maybe?) to some other stuff to a gravel road (The RT took it nicely) to some other stuff to 29 to Greensboro NC, stay at Greensboro airport marriot, just off NC 68. Friday, NC68 north to some stuff to NC 8 to some 'scenic' roads northwest of Greensboro/ Winston-Salem, back around to the hotel. Saturday, rain and a wedding to attend - no riding, Sunday across northern NC to various roads to VA 15 to VA 3? through Spotslyvania county with a stop a "The Winderness" to I-95 north and home. Total of about 925 miles and very roughly 18 or 19hrs in the saddle over the weekend. Am very impressed with the ergonomics on the RT, no analgesics required. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 13:06:37 2003 From: "Laura Granato" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: MAW Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:27:42 -0400 > After I figure out how to rip their 'nads off, I'm gonna ship it back. Can I just play devil's advocate for a second...their policy was to return within 15 days, correct? Policies are made for a reason, otherwise there wouldn't be policies. They gave you a policy, you didn't adhere to it...why should they bend the rules for you? Why did you order online rather than going to a local shop to make the purchase? When it comes down to it, leathers are very hard to fit and don't fit the same from person to person or brand to brand. My thought would be if someone were buying something of that substantial a purchase, they would pick it up as soon as it got there just in case of any problems. :) Just playing devil's advocate. :) LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 13:17:57 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:17:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: RE: 211 and enforcement To: DC Cycles On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Jon Strang wrote: > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:02:16 -0400 > From: Jon Strang > To: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: 211 and enforcement > > I keep hearing this every year, is it really true yet? I stopped at the gas station and convenience store east of Cooters place on 211 and talked briefly with a semi-road racer looking guy -- he was riding a Yam R1, I think-- had frame sliders on the bike and knee sliders on his leathers, both looked used. No chicken strips on his tires. He was positively convinced that The Man was out to any and all motorcycle riders, especially on 211 -- and in fact, had pulled off to avoid a statey. He kinda scoffed at my suggestion of trying to keep it at or near the limit, to which I suggested, with a smile, adding hard bags to his scoot. The thought of enforcement somehow doesn't bug me -- papers in order, bike insured, license fairly clean, and the posted 55 on 211 is plenty enough, for me anyhow, to have fun with. This guy was convinced though... the cops were out to hassle him. YMMV. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 14:00:16 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 211, Skyline, BRP. On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Chris Norloff wrote: > Rt 211 was nice while it lasted. Too bad the street racers ruined it for everyone. > > Chris Norloff > Granted the VFR isn't a race replica, but I can touch the peg feelers on some of the turns on 211 while keeping it at the speed limit. Plenty of fun for me. I've passed several cops on the mountain, doing the speed limit. No hassles, no problems. If you go 90 between the turns, you will get hassled. Ride the mountain with some respect and you can have fun and avoid hassles. 99% of people getting tickets get them passing on double yellow, or on the straights at the bottom or top of the mountain. Ruined... hardly. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 14:07:05 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:07:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: 211, Skyline, BRP. This isn't exactly prime riding or anything, but it will give you an idea what 211 is all about if you haven't been up. I think it was Gimer and Todd chasing me up 211 last summer. The cam pointed backwards on the VFR. I keep planning to make a better recorded run with my camera mount, but I always wind up over there sans video camera. http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle/videoz/up211-4-29-01.avi At 03:07 PM 6/10/2003, you wrote: >Granted the VFR isn't a race replica, but I can touch the peg feelers on >some of the turns on 211 while keeping it at the speed limit. Plenty of >fun for me. I've passed several cops on the mountain, doing the speed >limit. No hassles, no problems. If you go 90 between the turns, you will >get hassled. Ride the mountain with some respect and you can have fun and >avoid hassles. 99% of people getting tickets get them passing on double >yellow, or on the straights at the bottom or top of the mountain. >Ruined... hardly. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 14:09:40 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:09:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: 211, Skyline, BRP. Duh - the file was dated. 2 years ago. Horrible recording and riding. Enjoy. At 02:07 PM 6/10/2003, Troutman wrote: > I think it was Gimer and Todd chasing me up 211 last summer. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 16:10:10 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: 211 and enforcement Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:08:14 -0400 Few years ago before I became a track day addict, I was going pretty fast on Skyline Dr and got a $100 fine for speeding & passing. The park ranger said that I was going way too fast and had to chase me for miles to get in to his radar rage... Thankfully by the time he caught up I was going relatively slow. Since he was unable to record my speed on the radar, he didn't give me a reckless driving ticket. If you ride fast enough may be you won't get a ticket? Nah... track day is better, no cops, no cages. --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: 211 and enforcement > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Jon Strang wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:02:16 -0400 > > From: Jon Strang > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: RE: 211 and enforcement > > > > I keep hearing this every year, is it really true yet? > > I stopped at the gas station and convenience store east of Cooters place on > 211 and talked briefly with a semi-road racer looking guy -- he was riding > a Yam R1, I think-- had frame sliders on the bike and knee sliders on his > leathers, both looked used. No chicken strips on his tires. He was > positively convinced that The Man was out to any and all motorcycle riders, > especially on 211 -- and in fact, had pulled off to avoid a statey. He > kinda scoffed at my suggestion of trying to keep it at or near the limit, > to which I suggested, with a smile, adding hard bags to his scoot. > > The thought of enforcement somehow doesn't bug me -- papers in order, bike > insured, license fairly clean, and the posted 55 on 211 is plenty enough, > for me anyhow, to have fun with. This guy was convinced though... the > cops were out to hassle him. > > YMMV. > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 16:23:53 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:23:40 EDT Subject: Re: 211, Skyline, BRP. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/10/2003 12:17:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > How > far out do they go? Are they good motorcycling roads all the way out, or > only out to a certain point? About 550mi. total. All good. >From Front Royal, VA to Cherokee, NC. Rural farmland at the north end, rugged at the south end. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 16:25:08 2003 Subject: Recommendations Question: Touring Bag From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 10 Jun 2003 16:20:45 -0400 Ok, I have approval from the office to take two weeks off in August and my tank/tail bags aren't going to be sufficient for a two week ride across country (DC -> Boise ID and back via Canada... maybe :-) SWMBO will likely be flying out but there's a chance she'll endure the ride, possibly half way and flying the other half so I've ordered a touring seat, hopefully delivered without three exchanges this time. I might flea-bay my current seat, we'll see. Anyway, I'm interested in a touring bag much like the ones at http://www.tourmaster.com/luggage_bags.html ([Nylon ]Cruiser II) to replace my tailbag. Does anyone have any suggestions for a touring bag? Experiences with this one or others? I'm not sure I want to go with saddle bags. I don't want to mount something. I can remove the touring seat and put my solo seat back on with a couple of screws. I've had my Oxford Sports tailbag for a year now ($100 at Colemans) and it seems to be working out ok for day to day commuting and for the short ride down to NC but I don't think it'll handle the needs for a long trip. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 16:30:24 2003 Subject: Re: 211 and enforcement From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 10 Jun 2003 16:26:03 -0400 On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 16:08, Shigeru Honda wrote: > Few years ago before I became a track day addict, I was going pretty fast on > Skyline Dr and got a $100 fine for speeding & passing. > The park ranger said that I was going way too fast and had to chase me for > miles to get in to his radar rage... Thankfully by the time he caught up I > was going relatively slow. Since he was unable to record my speed on the > radar, he didn't give me a reckless driving ticket. > > If you ride fast enough may be you won't get a ticket? Nah... track day is > better, no cops, no cages. > I was driving south on Rt 1 in Stafford (past 610) in my Fiero. I had picked up my brother who got stuck at National and it was like 2:30am. When I started the run I thought I saw someone sitting in the cutthrough but he didn't move. We whipped through the turns (not crossing either lines which was the rule) and when we finally got to the end at the courthouse the cop that was a couple of turns behind me caught up and flipped on his lights. He said that I was going so fast he couldn't keep up so he was giving me a wreckless driving ticket. Can't depend on those cops :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 16:36:05 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:35:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MAW To: Laura Granato , Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX can i play the role of satan? if someone sends me nonconforming goods, i don't care what their "policy" is, especially if their "policy" doesn't have my signature on it. darrell needs to give us more information on this transaction, but from everything i've heard i wouldn't envision having a single problem getting maw to accept a return of the suit as well as giving a full credit. --- Laura Granato wrote: > > After I figure out how to rip their 'nads off, I'm > gonna ship it back. > > Can I just play devil's advocate for a second...their > policy was to return > within 15 days, correct? Policies are made for a reason, > otherwise there > wouldn't be policies. They gave you a policy, you didn't > adhere to it...why > should they bend the rules for you? > > Why did you order online rather than going to a local > shop to make the > purchase? When it comes down to it, leathers are very > hard to fit and don't > fit the same from person to person or brand to brand. My > thought would be > if someone were buying something of that substantial a > purchase, they would > pick it up as soon as it got there just in case of any > problems. :) > > Just playing devil's advocate. :) > > LAR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 18:09:13 2003 From: "Laura Granato" To: "Tom Gimer" , , Subject: Re: MAW Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:30:00 -0400 > can i play the role of satan? > > if someone sends me nonconforming goods, How is it nonconforming? He ordered a size 50, he got a size 50. It's no different than ordering a size Large online and finding out that their size large is too big for you. Different manufacturers, different cuts. For example, when I go to buy a dress (yes, I do wear dresses)...depending on who makes it, I might wear a 2, a 4 or a 6. That's why I don't buy clothes online, even if it'll save me a buck or two. Say I buy something from best buy with a 30-day return policy...I open it after that period of time has lapsed and find it is defective. They are under no obligation to take it back because I went past their stated return policy. LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 18:59:47 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , Subject: Re: 211 and enforcement Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:15:37 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" > > He said that I was going so fast he couldn't keep up so he was giving me > a wreckless driving ticket. > > Can't depend on those cops :-) > > Carl > Bravo. Driving "wrecklessly" should be the goal of every upstanding citizen. We need more "wreckless" drivers. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 19:11:00 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:10:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MAW To: Laura Granato , Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Laura Granato wrote: > > > > can i play the role of satan? > > > > if someone sends me nonconforming goods, > > How is it nonconforming? He ordered a size 50, he got a > size 50. It's no > different than ordering a size Large online and finding > out that their size > large is too big for you. Different manufacturers, > different cuts. mr. jackson indicated that the person who "sized" him on the phone got him wrong. the shit don't fit. nonconforming? arguably, yes. > For example, when I go to buy a dress (yes, I do wear > dresses)...depending > on who makes it, I might wear a 2, a 4 or a 6. That's > why I don't buy > clothes online, even if it'll save me a buck or two. > > Say I buy something from best buy with a 30-day return > policy...I open it > after that period of time has lapsed and find it is > defective. They are > under no obligation to take it back because I went past > their stated return > policy. if you bought it at best buy, you signed something during the purchase indicating you accepted best buy's return policy. their return policy likely replaces otherwise applicable statutes. i haven't heard anything about mr. jackson's situation which indicates there is a signed agreement trumping otherwise applicable provisions. (you'll notice i requested more info from mr. jackson regarding the transaction. the dollar amount itself may be quite important.) all i've heard is that maw now claims that they have a "policy," and that policy has been breached. we can all speculate until we have the details, but i still say mr. jackson can and should get his cash back. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 20:33:32 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:33:26 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: RE: 211, Skyline, BRP. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From Dan Brown: Granted the VFR isn't a race replica, but I can touch the peg feelers on some of the turns on 211 while keeping it at the speed limit. Plenty of fun for me. I've passed several cops on the mountain, doing the speed limit. No hassles, no problems. If you go 90 between the turns, you will get hassled. Ride the mountain with some respect and you can have fun and avoid hassles. 99% of people getting tickets get them passing on double yellow, or on the straights at the bottom or top of the mountain. ============= Dan, was that you heading east around 1530hrs Sunday on a red 94-97? If so, you sure picked up speed after my buddies on a GSXR750 and RC51 passed you.. took me a while to catch up to you on my (underpowered :) 900SS! Whoever it was, rode pretty smoothly. And this From: Troutman I think it was Gimer and Todd chasing me up 211 last summer. ============= Ahem Mike, pretty sure I was there too, blocking the three of you on my VFR :) JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 21:02:36 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:02:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: 211 and enforcement To: Jon Strang , DC Cycles have you received any tickets in your mailbox yet? --- Jon Strang wrote: > I keep hearing this every year, is it really true yet? > > --jon > > > ----Witold wrote: > 211 - heavy police enforcement. I heard that they are > putting up > cameras to monitor that road. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 22:01:45 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:01:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: Recommendations Question: Touring Bag To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Carl, I can't speak for the cruiser bag, but I can definitely weigh in on TourMaster stuff in general, as I own a pair of their Cortech saddlebags. They are, in a word, great. I rode down to Daytona and back a few years ago with these and they were stellar the whole way. Very durable, good rain covers, nice stiff shell, easy adjustments and very safe scratchless underside. I haven't seen a better set of soft saddlebags. I suspect TourMaster's other items are of similar build and design quality. Chris Weaver --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Anyway, I'm interested in a touring bag much like > the ones at > http://www.tourmaster.com/luggage_bags.html ([Nylon > ]Cruiser II) to > replace my tailbag. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 10 22:57:47 2003 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:57:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Recommendations Question: Touring Bag To: Carl Schelin Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Carl Schelin wrote: > > Ok, I have approval from the office to take two weeks off in August and > my tank/tail bags aren't going to be sufficient for a two week ride > across country (DC -> Boise ID and back via Canada... maybe :-) What time in August? I'm riding out to Missoula, MT to watch the start of the Iron Butt Rally, probably leaving here the 7th or 8th of August. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 07:11:12 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Chain go boom. Well, that didn't take long. I picked up my new (1991) GS500 a week ago, and the chain is already shot -- O-rings coming off, two stiff sections, one of which binds enough to stall the bike at low speeds and throttle levels. Interesting ride home last night. So: how difficult is it, really, to change a chain? I'm reading through my Clymer's manual, and it's talking about taking the wheel and swingarm off and shit, and I'm sure I'll screw that up right good. Is this the sort of thing where I really should bring the bike down to Clinton Cycles and beg and plead for them to change it for me? Also: how much is this liable to run me? I actually have two chains (and, presumably, sprocket sets -- you change the front and rear sprocket when you change the chain, right?) I need to change, one for each bike. Anyone have any comments on the Loobman/HawkeOil/ScottOil automatic chain lubrication systems? Fish. full of questions today From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 07:52:39 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: Recommendations Question: Touring Bag Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:52:30 -0400 Can't say as yet - but I picked up a "Moto-Fizz" Camping seat bag from Riderwearhouse (The Aerostitch folks) for this year's trip (14 hours until wheels-up!). It looks great - will let you know how it works after a two week ride in the hills. Last year I l had to leave my shoes behind at the bike rental agency 'cause I didn't have any room left (small saddlebags on a BMW GS - especially the left one) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 07:58:05 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: Chain go boom. Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:57:59 -0400 Easy way - grind off a rivet and break the old chain, connect the new and old chains together with a master link and pull it through. Takes about 15 minutes all told including adjustment. Master links can fail, but for years (switching into fogey mode) they were all that there was. Better way is to use a rivet link. Unless you have a rivet tool, this is a job for someone who has one. Changing sprockets - depends on how badly the old chain trashed them. Countershaft sprockets are typically very hard and seldom wear out unless abused. Rear sprockets are a different matter. Neither one is hard to change (assuming the proper tools). Nothing will trash a sprocket quicker than a bad chain and vice versa. if there's any doubt, swap 'em out. Michael (love my shaft drive) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 08:34:16 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:34:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Chain go boom. To: DC-Cycles Fish asked: >Anyone have any comments on the Loobman/HawkeOil/ScottOil >automatic chain lubrication systems? [Dave] What?! Craftsman doesn't make an auto chain luber ? ;-) Don't panic. I've got more than 24k miles on the DID X ring on my mondo ZX11, and I can say that it's life has not been an easy one. That said, I've lubed the chain regularly at about 500 mile intervals, after significant rain exposure and otherwise on a regular basis. One of the lists I'm on has someone who used a scottoiler with some success... you still have to keep the res. for the oiler full... just as easy to keep a can of chain lube, and the added bulk of the chain lube can carried in your luggage serves as a reminder to perform proper chain maintenance. Agree w/ previous poster about the rivet link w/ one caution - Clinton Cycles once put a rivet link on a bike of mine without the 'proper' rivet tool, instead using a ball peen hammer. I got a couple funky looks, but the rivet never came loose... HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 09:01:28 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Travis Pastrana in car crash Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:01:25 -0400 More bad luck for a local hero. --jon ---------------- from www.racerxill.com June 10, 2003 Pastrana injured in automobile accident Racer X is very sad to report that former 125cc National Motocross and 125cc East Region SX Champion Travis Pastrana was involved in a serious car accident last night near his home in Annapolis, Maryland. Pastrana, 19, and a friend who was riding with him, had to be air-lifted to a local hospital's trauma unit. The two were riding in Pastrana's car after midnight when the accident occurred. According to Travis' father, Robert, "Travis had some head injuries and crushed the bones in his left hand. The doctors were able to take care of his head, but he's going into surgery this afternoon for the hand and fingers." We will have more information as soon as it becomes available. In the meantime, saying a prayer for both boys wouldn't hurt. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 09:40:08 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:39:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Chain go boom. To: Dave Yates Cc: DC-Cycles Dave Yates wrote: > > I've got more than 24k miles on the > DID X ring on my mondo ZX11, and I can say that it's life has > not been an easy one. Wow, what are all you guys doing wrong? I've got 102,000 miles on my Concours, and I haven't had to replace a chain or sprockets yet. :) Always helpful, Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 09:42:09 2003 Subject: Re: 211 and enforcement From: Carl Schelin To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 11 Jun 2003 09:37:49 -0400 On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 18:15, Paul Wilson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > > > > He said that I was going so fast he couldn't keep up so he was giving me > > a wreckless driving ticket. > > > > Can't depend on those cops :-) > > > > Carl > > > Bravo. Driving "wrecklessly" should be the goal of every upstanding > citizen. We need more "wreckless" drivers. :) > Damn, I'm regressing for sure. When I was younger I thought it was "wreckless" and not "reckless" using the logic that I was driving dangerously but didn't wreck so the cops had to use something to describe the ticket. And I had four reckless driving tickets in my youth, all for driving 16+ MPH over the speed limit. But that was a long time ago. > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 09:47:40 2003 Subject: Re: Recommendations Question: Touring Bag From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 11 Jun 2003 09:43:20 -0400 On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 22:57, Dale Horstman wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > Ok, I have approval from the office to take two weeks off in August and > > my tank/tail bags aren't going to be sufficient for a two week ride > > across country (DC -> Boise ID and back via Canada... maybe :-) > > What time in August? I'm riding out to Missoula, MT to watch the > start of the Iron Butt Rally, probably leaving here the 7th or 8th > of August. > Rita's granddaughter's birthday is the 16th of Aug. I've taken the 11th to the 22nd off. Depending on weather and traffic, I'll probably leave on the afternoon of the 8th to get out of the DC area and spend the night in western MD. If SWMBO goes along, we'll be lollygagging along stopping at every state and national park and checking out the local tourist traps for interesting things hence the large touring bag :-) (I'll be making her mail the stuff home and not carrying it around two countries.) If it's just me, I'll be stopping at just the monuments (Black Hills for example) and taking more back roads. Less stops but a more bike oriented ride. When is the Iron Butt? > Hork Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 10:07:36 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:06:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Recommendations Question: Touring Bag To: Carl Schelin Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 22:57, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > > > Ok, I have approval from the office to take two weeks off in August and > > > my tank/tail bags aren't going to be sufficient for a two week ride > > > across country (DC -> Boise ID and back via Canada... maybe :-) > > > > What time in August? I'm riding out to Missoula, MT to watch the > > start of the Iron Butt Rally, probably leaving here the 7th or 8th > > of August. > > > > Rita's granddaughter's birthday is the 16th of Aug. I've taken the 11th > to the 22nd off. When is the Iron Butt? Would you believe it's from the 11th to the 22nd? Eerie, huh? :) Your trip sounds like more fun, I've gotta beat feet out of here late afternoon on Thursday the 7th, hoping to make it to Missoula for dinner with a few IBR riding friends Saturday night. Have a great trip. I'm hoping to do some riding in the Black Hills area myself. If you see a big guy in a dorky green suit riding a dark green Connie, it'll probably be me. :) Dale -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 10:21:17 2003 Subject: Re: Recommendations Question: Touring Bag From: Carl Schelin To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 11 Jun 2003 10:16:39 -0400 On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 10:06, Dale Horstman wrote: > Would you believe it's from the 11th to the 22nd? Eerie, huh? :) > Is it a bunch of events or a single Iron Butt Rally? (I should just check the frigging website, eh?) > Your trip sounds like more fun, I've gotta beat feet out of here > late afternoon on Thursday the 7th, hoping to make it to Missoula > for dinner with a few IBR riding friends Saturday night. > So you're trying for the 2,000 miles in 36 hours Iron Butt ;-) > Have a great trip. I'm hoping to do some riding in the Black Hills > area myself. If you see a big guy in a dorky green suit riding > a dark green Connie, it'll probably be me. :) > Suit and tie type of suit? I had a dorky green polyester suit and slacks with orange thread and orange platform shoes but that was back in '76. As for me, watch for Boris the Spider, my tail gunner. He's resting at home right now. I washed the bike and he doesn't like soap. Since the Tourmaster is getting the thumbs up from various places, you can watch for the bottom half of the bag on the back and the round bag strapped to the front forks/fender (vertically). > Dale > Later, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 10:29:29 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:29:19 EDT Subject: Help with information? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Attn. riders familiar with the Bethesda area Do you know of any RV parks in the Bethesda area? I have a niece in Michigan who may be taking her son to a clinic there for speech therapy. We're hoping they'll stay with us but we're 45 minutes or more from the clinic and, since they can borrow an RV, we told her we'd see what's available nearer the clinic. If all goes as expected, they'll be here at the end of July for 15 days, go home for 6-8 weeks, come back for 8 days, be gone for another 6-8 weeks, and come back for a final 8 days. Cost is a factor. . . . Thanks in advance for any suggestions. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 10:32:43 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:32:35 EDT Subject: Re: Chain go boom. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/11/2003 9:41:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > I've got 102,000 miles > on my Concours, and I haven't had to replace a chain or sprockets > yet. :) 200,000+ pm the BMW with no new chain! Rear wheel splines are another story. Twice for them, chain would have been cheaper. #:-/> John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 10:35:32 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:35:22 EDT Subject: Re: Recommendations Question: Touring Bag To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/11/2003 9:47:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > (Black Hills for > example) Devils Tower! Gotta see it if you can, it is in that area. (From "Close Encouners Of The Third Kind") John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 10:35:59 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Carl Schelin" Cc: Subject: Re: Recommendations Question: Touring Bag Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:33:33 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" > > Have a great trip. I'm hoping to do some riding in the Black Hills > area myself. If you see a big guy in a dorky green suit riding > a dark green Connie, it'll probably be me. :) > > Dale > How will we spot you? I see Dale goes for the conspicuous route. :) The Black Hills have some great riding (Spearfish Canyon is a don't miss), but lots of tourist traps and traffic. Hope to explore that area more this summer. Paul in DC, average-built guy in a dorky red jacket on a bright red motorsickle. 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 10:40:07 2003 Subject: Tallon Kustom From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: carlzwench@XXXXXX Date: 11 Jun 2003 10:35:40 -0400 Well, there's a guy in various message boards who's been complaining that Casey Tallon, where I got my frame, doesn't do a good job. He finally set up a site with pictures of various frames (including mine) and has pictures of the cracked frame and links to the message boards at the bottom. Very interesting discussions at welder message boards and three chopper boards. http://www.tallonkustoms.com I've updated the pictures on my site but Hackasaw has linked to in on the various boards. http://www.schelin.org/chopper if you want to go directly. On the plus side, the number of hits on my chopper site is higher than ever before and I'll like break 1000 hits since December real soon :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 10:45:08 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:44:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Recommendations Question: Touring Bag To: Carl Schelin Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 10:06, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Would you believe it's from the 11th to the 22nd? Eerie, huh? :) > > > > Is it a bunch of events or a single Iron Butt Rally? (I should just > check the frigging website, eh?) Yeah, this is the Big Dance. 11 days, over 11,000 miles for the competitors. I'm just spectating, but I'll put in close to 13,000 if I do the Start & Finish as planned and make it to all the Checkpoints before coming home. Fun times, but not for the faint of heart. :) > So you're trying for the 2,000 miles in 36 hours Iron Butt ;-) I actually completed a 2000 miles in 48 hours ride once (SaddleSore2000) but I lost all the paperwork here at home before sending it in. This might be my chance for an "official" certificate. :) > Suit and tie type of suit? I had a dorky green polyester suit and slacks > with orange thread and orange platform shoes but that was back in '76. Not very protective against road-rash, though. :) When you tell someone that you wearing a $700 suit everyday, they think you are a lawyer or successful business man. When you tell them it's the same suit, day after day, and you only wash it once a year, they start to look at you funny. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 10:54:22 2003 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles \(Dc-Cycles\)" Subject: IBR Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:54:02 -0400 I, too, am going to the start (and finish) of the IBR. I haven't figured out when I'm leaving yet, nor do I know what I'm doing in-between - other than seeing the sights. Bob Higdon laid out a route for me to ride out to see all the 'sights' (in his opinion) that I'm considering using, but it might take too long. I gotta get pics of all my work that will be running in the rally. I think I'll have 8 or so competitors using my bags. Looking forward to the trip. Woohoo!! LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 11:03:40 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:03:24 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: IBR To: "LindaT." Cc: "Dc-Cycles (Dc-Cycles)" "LindaT." wrote: > > I, too, am going to the start (and finish) of the IBR. I haven't figured > out when I'm leaving yet, nor do I know what I'm doing in-between - other > than seeing the sights. Bob Higdon laid out a route for me to ride out to > see all the 'sights' (in his opinion) that I'm considering using, but it > might take too long. Linda, I'd be interested in seeing what Bob calls the "sights" - I was just playing around in Street Atlas myself, trying to include the Black Hills, Beartooth Pass, Lolo Pass, maybe the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, in my swing thru the western States. I'm sure there's tons of stuff that I'll be close to but pass by in ignorance - I'm expecting to have a little bit of time to burn, since I'll essentially be going checkpoint to checkpoint. I'm really looking forward to it - this will be an extremely fun trip. Dale -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 12:21:40 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , Subject: Re: Help with information? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:21:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [138.88.21.197] at Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:21:24 -0500 The only one that I know of is a RV Park on Cherry Hill Road near College Park and Silver Spring. If you follow Randolph Road it turns into Cherry Hill, cross over Rt. 212 (I think it is 212) and it is on the right. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: Help with information? > Attn. riders familiar with the Bethesda area > > Do you know of any RV parks in the Bethesda area? I have a niece in > Michigan who may be taking her son to a clinic there for speech therapy. > We're hoping they'll stay with us but we're 45 minutes or more from the > clinic and, since they can borrow an RV, we told her we'd see what's > available nearer the clinic. > > If all goes as expected, they'll be here at the end of July for 15 > days, go home for 6-8 weeks, come back for 8 days, be gone for another > 6-8 weeks, and come back for a final 8 days. Cost is a factor. . . . > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 12:28:57 2003 Subject: Re: Help with information? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:28:00 -0500 From: To: , In Bethesda?.... HA! I don't think RV's are even allowed in Bethesda. There is one near College Park off near Route one and 95 George >>> PenguinBiker@XXXXXX 06/11/03 10:29AM >>> Attn. riders familiar with the Bethesda area Do you know of any RV parks in the Bethesda area? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 12:41:04 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: 211, Skyline, BRP. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jon Strang wrote: > 211 has one good spot (up and down the mountain > to/from Thornton Gap). One good spot? I think the section over by New Market is pretty good too! > Skyline actually starts up by Front Royal, and ends > right about I-64 > (b/w Charlottesville and Staunton). Also known as Rockfish Gap. Glenn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 13:22:21 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:21:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Chain go boom. To: DC-Cycles On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Dale Horstman wrote: > Wow, what are all you guys doing wrong? I've got 102,000 miles > on my Concours, and I haven't had to replace a chain or sprockets > yet. :) sniff... sniff... ya, smells like bait to me. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 14:12:48 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: IBR To: "LindaT." , "Dc-Cycles \(Dc-Cycles\)" I'm going, too. Butt, I'll be trailering out to the start, riding the route than trailering back home. I've got plenty of space, so if you'd like to have me carry something out there and back, let me know. Leon. with one of Linda's bras on my tank ;-) --- "LindaT." wrote: > I, too, am going to the start (and finish) of the > IBR. > I think I'll have 8 or so competitors > using my bags. > > Looking forward to the trip. Woohoo!! > > LindaT. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 14:36:56 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: 2nd Annual DC-Cycles Alp Ride Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:36:49 -0400 Kicking off tonight outta Dulles. Me and the kids (Sean & Thomas) are bagging out to Milano for two weeks of riding the hills. Going to be doing video this year in addition to stills. Trip report will follow. With any luck, will be doing the 3rd annual Alp Ride about the same time next year (just before high season - good weather and (relatively) low prices). Plan now to attend. for about 1/2 the cost of a Beach or Edelweiss tour, you get absolutely none of the services - such a deal. Cheers all, and ride safely Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 16:35:42 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "LindaT." , "Dc-Cycles \(Dc-Cycles\)" Subject: Re: IBR Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:35:46 -0500 Can someone explain to me why perhaps the biggest production motorcycle in the world needs more luggage. I think at the point of needing to buy a tank bag for my GoldWing, I might consider perhaps buying a car instead :) Rob On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:54:02 -0400, LindaT. wrote > I, too, am going to the start (and finish) of the IBR. I haven't figured > out when I'm leaving yet, nor do I know what I'm doing in-between - other > than seeing the sights. Bob Higdon laid out a route for me to ride > out to see all the 'sights' (in his opinion) that I'm considering > using, but it might take too long. I gotta get pics of all my work > that will be running in the rally. I think I'll have 8 or so > competitors using my bags. > > Looking forward to the trip. Woohoo!! > > LindaT. > http://www.customtankbags.com > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 16:42:39 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Dc-Cycles \(Dc-Cycles\)'" Subject: RE: IBR Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:42:36 -0400 That's where you stow the Mini Cooper. Kinda like the old Honda 50 on the back of the Winnebago, except backwards. ----- Rob Sharp wrote: Can someone explain to me why perhaps the biggest production motorcycle in the world needs more luggage. I think at the point of needing to buy a tank bag for my GoldWing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 16:46:17 2003 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles \(Dc-Cycles\)" Subject: RE: IBR Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:45:53 -0400 Ah, Grasshoppa, you've never seen a bike fully setup for LD riding, have you? Between the auxiliary tank, the two GPSs and backup paper maps, the CB radio/Ham radio/MP3/laptop/cell phone/hydration system and so many other things, there is never enough space. It's one of the laws of the universe, that the amount of stuff necessary for any given endeavor always exceeds the amount of storage space available. And, I do bags for more that 1800 Wings, although I am working on one of those at the moment. LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:36 PM To: LindaT.; Dc-Cycles (Dc-Cycles) Subject: Re: IBR Can someone explain to me why perhaps the biggest production motorcycle in the world needs more luggage. I think at the point of needing to buy a tank bag for my GoldWing, I might consider perhaps buying a car instead :) Rob On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:54:02 -0400, LindaT. wrote > I, too, am going to the start (and finish) of the IBR. I haven't > figured out when I'm leaving yet, nor do I know what I'm doing > in-between - other than seeing the sights. Bob Higdon laid out a > route for me to ride out to see all the 'sights' (in his opinion) that > I'm considering using, but it might take too long. I gotta get pics > of all my work that will be running in the rally. I think I'll have 8 > or so competitors using my bags. > > Looking forward to the trip. Woohoo!! > > LindaT. > http://www.customtankbags.com > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 17:17:43 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "LindaT." , "Dc-Cycles \(Dc-Cycles\)" Subject: Re: IBR Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:03:51 -0400 Not to mention, you can have all the luggage in the world on the rest of the bike, but some things need to be up front, within reach, like a digital cam and cell phone. I can stop and take a snapshot without dismounting, or reach for a pair of heavier gloves or rain covers without getting off the bike and rummaging for keys. A tank bag is nice 'cuz that's where have all my valuables and it can be toted into a restaurant during stops, etc. Anything I'm likely to need *during* the ride is in the tank bag: allergy meds, pain killers, snacks, sunglasses, maps, cell phone, rags and cleaner for visor, etc. Things I use *after* the ride are in my Givis. Paul in DC 95 VFR750, Clampett-mobile with Givi cases and full tank bag. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles (Dc-Cycles)" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: RE: IBR > Ah, Grasshoppa, you've never seen a bike fully setup for LD riding, have > you? Between the auxiliary tank, the two GPSs and backup paper maps, the CB > radio/Ham radio/MP3/laptop/cell phone/hydration system and so many other > things, there is never enough space. > > It's one of the laws of the universe, that the amount of stuff necessary for > any given endeavor always exceeds the amount of storage space available. > > And, I do bags for more that 1800 Wings, although I am working on one of > those at the moment. > > LindaT. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 17:35:48 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Higdon takes DC cameras to task To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Surprised I haven't seen this on the list as yet. We (dc-cycles) had lunch with the gentleman what, last year now? Great stuff. http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=2184 ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 17:35:57 2003 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Autoforwarded: FALSE Precedence: first-class From: "Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: MAW To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) Cc: "'t_gimer@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested), "'lgranato@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) X-NJ-P1MID: [/P=USDOJ/A=_/C=US/;USADCML02-030611213513Z-13232] Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited X400-Content-Return: Allowed X-Implicit-Conv-Prohibited: FALSE Same brand, same manufacturer, same style, same shit. Both were AGV Sport leathers. The first pair were Euro 60. I asked the people at MAW what the US size was for an AGV Sport Euro 60. Whoever the lady was who took my order, she said hold on a minute and went to talk to somebody else at MAW. She then came back to the phone and said that I should get a US 50. I said okay, gimme the 50 then (at a cost of @ $500). I live at a townhouse where I was afraid the package would be ripped off if I just had it left out front and I never get off work in time to make it to the post office to pick something up from there. So I had the package shipped to my parent's house since they're around most of the day. I picked it up from there 10 days later and put the leathers on for the first time at track day. They were immediately and obviously too big so back in the box they went. If they had stated at the time of order that this 15 day rule existed, I might agree with Laura. Hell, I probably wouldn't have even o dered the damn leathers. However, no such proclamations were made. And call me DJ, my dad is Mr. Jackson. -----Original Message----- From: t_gimer@XXXXXX [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:11 PM To: Jackson, Darrell; lgranato@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MAW --- Laura Granato wrote: > > > > can i play the role of satan? > > > > if someone sends me nonconforming goods, > > How is it nonconforming? He ordered a size 50, he got a > size 50. It's no > different than ordering a size Large online and finding > out that their size > large is too big for you. Different manufacturers, > different cuts. mr. jackson indicated that the person who "sized" him on the phone got him wrong. the shit don't fit. nonconforming? arguably, yes. > For example, when I go to buy a dress (yes, I do wear > dresses)...depending > on who makes it, I might wear a 2, a 4 or a 6. That's > why I don't buy > clothes online, even if it'll save me a buck or two. > > Say I buy something from best buy with a 30-day return > policy...I open it > after that period of time has lapsed and find it is > defective. They are > under no obligation to take it back because I went past > their stated return > policy. if you bought it at best buy, you signed something during the purchase indicating you accepted best buy's return policy. their return policy likely replaces otherwise applicable statutes. i haven't heard anything about mr. jackson's situation which indicates there is a signed agreement trumping otherwise applicable provisions. (you'll notice i requested more info from mr. jackson regarding the transaction. the dollar amount itself may be quite important.) all i've heard is that maw now claims that they have a "policy," and that policy has been breached. we can all speculate until we have the details, but i still say mr. jackson can and should get his cash back. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 18:00:09 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: Re: Higdon takes DC cameras to task Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:59:26 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ddce1619de01cd48185eb98d3418e3e5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c MP Posted > Surprised I haven't seen this on the list as yet. We (dc-cycles) had > lunch with the gentleman what, last year now? Great stuff. > > http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=2184 [Dave] At the 3rd "denied", or at some point reasonably deemed to be the "point of taking no more", he should've torn his own shirt, run out of the room and screamed at the top of his lungs "HELP the hearing examiner is trying to rape me! HELP" Having now raised the hue and cry, his 3 or 4 biker friends, sitting quietly outside the hearing room, would be obligated to go in and pummel the 'hearing examiner' into submission... I'll bet his next words would've been 'c-c-c ase d-dismissed'... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 11 22:01:04 2003 From: "Laura Granato" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: MAW Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:21:04 -0400 >>>And call me DJ, my dad is Mr. Jackson. LMAO! That was too funny! LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 01:38:41 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:39:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Chain go boom. To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles From: "garcia oliver" Fish Flowers writes: >Well, that didn't take long. I picked up my new (1991) GS500 a week ago, >and the chain is already shot -- O-rings coming off, two stiff sections, >one of which binds enough to stall the bike at low speeds and throttle >levels. Interesting ride home last night. > >So: how difficult is it, really, to change a chain? I'm reading through my >Clymer's manual, and it's talking about taking the wheel and swingarm off >and shit, and I'm sure I'll screw that up right good. Is this the sort of >thing where I really should bring the bike down to Clinton Cycles and beg >and plead for them to change it for me? If the chain is that bad, you will probably want to change sprockets too---especially if you put a good (i.e. expensive) chain on. Chain is usually easy. Sprockets are harder, front can be a problem if you don't have the right tools (or experience improvising). Endless (riveted) chain is stronger than master link, but for a low-powered bike it probably doesn't matter. > > --garcia )B“Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.)B” — Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nurnberg Trials after World War II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 08:00:38 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 05:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: It LIVES! Unable to find sprockets. Unwilling to shell out $100 for a masterlink tool. Unclear on how to replace chain even with said tool. Uncertain as to the wisdom of putting new chain on old sprockets anyway. With all those in mind, I went home yesterday and gave my bikes a long look. Eventually I decided that the carbs were the likely culprit on the 92 bike, or maybe the gas tank, but definitely one of the two. The 92 chain was a leetle rusty but not too bad, and it certainly is better suspended than the 91. Sooooo... off come the gas tanks, off come the carbs, parts fly everywhere, cursing ensues, it runs (elation) then it mysteriously stops (despair). Eventually SWMBO kicked my supine form off the driveway and told me to yank the 91 tank off the 92 bike and put the 92 tank back on, which I did, all the while muttering that that wasn't going to solve anything... and realized the tank fuel petcock was off. Mystery solved. And it runs! It LIVES! From my 1992 GS500 (Red Sonja) and my 1991 GS500 (Smurf Barf), I have created the ugliest mishmash ever to put two wheels to the road. I'm so proud. I feel like a new father. (Damn, forgot to smoke a cigar.) Fish. 91/92 GS500E FrankenBike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 08:50:07 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:49:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/11/03 At 07:00 PM 6/11/2003, you wrote: >On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Wow, what are all you guys doing wrong? I've got 102,000 miles > > on my Concours, and I haven't had to replace a chain or sprockets > > yet. :) > >sniff... sniff... ya, smells like bait to me. > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX Sure is.... Everyone knows Dale has shaft drive!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 08:59:07 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:59:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: It LIVES! To: DC-Cycles Fish shouted in triumph: >Unable to find sprockets. >Unwilling to shell out $100 for a masterlink tool. >Unclear on how to replace chain even with said tool. >Uncertain as to the wisdom of putting new chain on old >sprockets anyway. > >With all those in mind, I went home yesterday and gave my >bikes a long look. Eventually I decided that the carbs were >the likely culprit on the 92 bike, or maybe the gas tank, >but definitely one of the two. The 92 chain was a leetle >rusty but not too bad, and it certainly is better >suspended than the 91. > >Sooooo... off come the gas tanks, off come the carbs, parts >fly everywhere, cursing ensues, it runs (elation) then it >mysteriously stops (despair). [Dave] The *TRUE* test of a repair going waaaaaaay south is the "tool tossin'"... When the expensive, one off, model specific Mac or Craftsman tools go a flyin', it's time to clear the area... > Eventually SWMBO kicked my supine form off the driveway and >told me to yank the 91 tank off the 92 bike and put the 92 >tank back on, which I did, all the while muttering that that >wasn't going to solve anything... and realized the tank fuel >petcock was off. Mystery solved. [Dave] I hate it when that happens. > >And it runs! It LIVES! From my 1992 GS500 (Red Sonja) and my >1991 GS500 (Smurf Barf), I have created the ugliest mishmash >ever to put two wheels to the road. I'm so proud. I feel >like a new father. (Damn, forgot to >smoke a cigar.) [Dave] Improvise, Adapt and Overcome. Good on ya Fish... I worked from home on Monday with the idea that I could get my VA inspection & have some free ride time... No. 1st - Dead battery (already on a tender). Several hours later, Cycle sport in Alexandria was supposed to have my battery... "dude, that credit card number you gave me didn't work..." Probably because it was the wrong one... and my battery wasn't charged. When I got back, I hurriedly reassembled, only to be rewarded with the dreaded VW idle, indicative of either badly fouled plugs or carbs... Hoping it would burn off, I rode to inspection anyway, and became a prisoner of "the Man" awaiting inspection for about 45 minutes. I rode back, picked up plugs and set the carport up for work. >From the time the 1st bolt was turned to the time I put the key in to start up for all 4 plugs was ~1 hour ... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 09:03:09 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:02:46 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: Why NC is fun to ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX They have hours and hours worth of roads that look something like this: http://tinyurl.com/e4vw Note, that's an S curve, starting at the bottom left, heading toward the top right -- though I actually rode it from the other direction. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 09:37:30 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:37:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Why NC is fun to ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Western NC does have some great roads, too many to list. Don't discount Southwestern VA either, plenty of fantastic roads too. Glenn --- Dan Brown wrote: > > > They have hours and hours worth of roads that look > something like this: > > http://tinyurl.com/e4vw > > > Note, that's an S curve, starting at the bottom > left, heading > toward the top right -- though I actually rode it > from the other > direction. > > > > > -- > Resist or Serve > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 10:29:54 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: It LIVES! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:30:03 -0500 On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 05:00:39 -0700 (PDT), Fish Flowers wrote > Unable to find sprockets. I get mine at AZMotorsports.com > Unwilling to shell out $100 for a masterlink tool. I don't have one either. > Unclear on how to replace chain even with said tool. Clip Type Master Link, It can be put on without the rivet tool, but things like pliers and such help. > Uncertain as to the wisdom of putting new chain on old sprockets anyway. Well I would check your spockets if they are rounded off or thin and sharp you need a new one. A bad sprocket can EAT up a chain. If you don't need a need sprocket I just just hook the new and old chain together and pull it through the countershaft sprocket. FINALLY whats SWMBO mean, I hate your internet acronym geeks. Rob > With all those in mind, I went home yesterday and gave my bikes a > long look. Eventually I decided that the carbs were the likely > culprit on the 92 bike, or maybe the gas tank, but definitely one of > the two. The 92 chain was a leetle rusty but not too bad, and it > certainly is better suspended than the 91. > > Sooooo... off come the gas tanks, off come the carbs, parts fly > everywhere, cursing ensues, it runs (elation) then it mysteriously stops > > (despair). Eventually SWMBO kicked my supine form off the driveway > and told me to yank the 91 tank off the 92 bike and put the 92 tank back > on, which I did, all the while muttering that that wasn't going to solve > anything... and realized the tank fuel petcock was off. Mystery solved. > > And it runs! It LIVES! From my 1992 GS500 (Red Sonja) and my 1991 GS500 > > (Smurf Barf), I have created the ugliest mishmash ever to put two wheels > to the road. I'm so proud. I feel like a new father. (Damn, forgot to > smoke a cigar.) > > Fish. > 91/92 GS500E FrankenBike -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 10:35:33 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:35:25 EDT Subject: Re: Why NC is fun to ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/12/2003 9:03:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > They have hours and hours worth of roads that look something like this: Lived there for 6 years, still miss it. What I want to know is why you chose such a straight road? Thing looks like a freeway compared to many roads in NC. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 10:36:15 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: It LIVES! On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Rob Sharp wrote: > > Unclear on how to replace chain even with said tool. > > Clip Type Master Link, It can be put on without the rivet tool, but > things like pliers and such help. I believe you, but the only time I've seen a chain replaced, the dude doing it used a rotary tool to cut off the old one. After that I forget how things work. My manual would have me disassemble most of the bike and put on a continuous-link chain, not use a masterlink. If I were to disassemble the bike (okay, okay, just the rear wheel and swingarm) I'm certain I'd do irreperable damage. I shudder at the thought. > FINALLY whats SWMBO mean, I hate your internet acronym geeks. She Who Must Be Obeyed. You're a network security geek and you hate internet acronyms? Weirdo. Fish. 91/92 GS500 Frankenbike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 11:23:38 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:23:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: It LIVES! To: DC-Cycles >> FINALLY whats SWMBO mean, I hate your internet acronym >geeks. > >She Who Must Be Obeyed. You're a network security geek and >you hate internet acronyms? Weirdo. [Dave] I prefer to use TOWMBO. 1: The One Who Must Be Obeyed. 2: The One Who Must B!tch Often. Not necessarily in that order ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 11:23:56 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:23:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: It LIVES! To: Rob Sharp , Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles She Who Must Be Obeyed, AKA the wife, girlfriend, significant other, etc. Chris Weaver --- Rob Sharp wrote: > FINALLY whats SWMBO mean, I hate your internet > acronym geeks. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 11:41:39 2003 Subject: Re: It LIVES! From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Jun 2003 11:37:06 -0400 On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 10:30, Rob Sharp wrote: > FINALLY whats SWMBO mean, I hate your internet acronym geeks. > Technically it's not an acronym. An acronym is a word formed from the initial leters of a name, such as NASA for National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Unless you pronounce SWMBO as swim-bo that is. Oh and the abbreviation is "She Who Must Be Obeyed". Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 12:10:03 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , "dc-cycles list" Subject: OT, what's a SNAFU?, was Re: It LIVES! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:11:01 -0400 Actually, SWMBO is an initialism. Formed from the first letters of a string of words. NASA is an initialism as well, even though it omits the "and." All initialisms are acronyms; but not all acronyms are initialisms. Pronunciation is not the test of an acronym. See http://www.merriam-webster.com/wftw/01apr/041101.htm >>Alas, we're forced to disagree with him: what separates an initialism from an acronym is not its pronunciation, but the source of its letters. An acronym is formed from the initial letters of successive parts of a compound term, whether those parts occur at the beginning, middle, or end of the term. An initialism, on the other hand, names the subset of acronyms formed solely from word-initial letters. << So FUBAR, SWMBO, FWIW, AFAIK, IANAL, RADAR, NASA, and SNAFU are initialisms (pronunciation varies and you commonly see fubar, radar and snafu in lowercase), while PCB and TV are acronyms, neither of which are pronounceable as new words. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:37 AM Subject: Re: It LIVES! > On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 10:30, Rob Sharp wrote: > > > FINALLY whats SWMBO mean, I hate your internet acronym geeks. > > > > Technically it's not an acronym. An acronym is a word formed from the > initial leters of a name, such as NASA for National Aeronautics and > Space Administration. > > Unless you pronounce SWMBO as swim-bo that is. > > Oh and the abbreviation is "She Who Must Be Obeyed". > > Carl > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 12:38:08 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:38:01 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: OT, what's a SNAFU?, was Re: It LIVES! To: dc-cycles list Paul, who is able to switch to Pedant mode on the fly, clogged the list with minutiae... > >Actually, SWMBO is an initialism. Formed from >the first letters of a string of words >Pronunciation is not the test of an acronym. > >So FUBAR, SWMBO, FWIW, AFAIK, >IANAL, RADAR, NASA, and SNAFU are initialisms (pronunciation >varies and you commonly see fubar, radar and snafu in >lowercase), while PCB and TV are acronyms, neither >of which are pronounceable as new words. [Dave] You forgot to mention TARFU... (thanks to Drill Sergeant Diana Page for properly educating me on the 3 stages of project management as measured on the "Fouled Up" scale(tm) ) stage 1: SNAFU stage 2: TARFU (things are really...) stage 3: FUBAR (beyond all recovery, repair, etc..) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 13:14:27 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:12:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Why NC is fun to ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:37:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: Glenn Dysart > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Why NC is fun to ride... > > Western NC does have some great roads, too many to > list. Don't discount Southwestern VA either, plenty > of fantastic roads too. That is exactly where I was -- Northwest NC, Southwest VA. That picture doesn't actually do justice to how twisty the road actually was, but there was a convenient pullout on the other side, where I was standing to take the picture. As mentioned earlier, there were times I felt like I could read my own license plate... -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 13:25:09 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Dirt bikes run amok in DC Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:27:29 -0400 I've seen these kids flying around on dirt bikes, no helmets, no plates.....unmolested by the constabulary, per MPD official "no chase" policy. But don't you dare do 10 over past a radar cam, or your wallet will be $50 lighter. http://www.safestreetsdc.com/wwwboard/messages/3660.html To wit: "Posted by 5D Grunt on June 11, 2003 at 13:14:42: I was asked recently by a 65-70 year old lady who lives on Montello Ave. in the Trinidad neighborhood this question; "Officer, what can you do about the motorcycles and the 4 wheel all terrain vehicles that ride all over peoples yards and up and down the sidewalk. I am afraid to even go out of my house for fear that I will be run over. What can you do." I looked at this old lady with actually a sense of sadness. I said to her that there is nothing I or any other police officer can do. We actually will get in trouble if we try to go after these "urban terrorists" . If they crash and get hurt it will be the fault of the officer who tried to stop the person. I told the lady to call the mayor or the chief because they seem to have all the answers for fighting crime these days. I told her that the only thing the department wants us to do is sit at school crossings, go door to door asking citizens why they cannot see us and sit at umbrella stands looking stupid. I walked away feeling helpless. Any working officer at 5D will tell the same tale. Signed, Just riding around [ www.safestreetsdc.com A very interesting site, by the way. To see the view of some cops on the unflattering status of "crime fighting" in Your Nation's Capital. Not exactly in line with the Chuck Ramsey spin machine, to say the least.] Paul in DC, helmeted, licensed and plated citizen-motorcyclist. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 13:26:06 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:23:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Why NC is fun to ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:35:25 EDT > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Why NC is fun to ride... > > In a message dated 6/12/2003 9:03:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > brown@XXXXXX writes: > > > They have hours and hours worth of roads that look something like this: > > Lived there for 6 years, still miss it. > What I want to know is why you chose such a straight road? > Thing looks like a freeway compared to many roads in NC. Cause it was too difficult to find a place to park anywhere else ;-) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 16:59:20 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:00:57 -0400 Subject: Part wanted--Honda fan motor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Asap. Cash money. Need fan motor (and blade) for 1982 Magna 750, the bike from Hell. P/n 065000-0521. Now off to ebay and used parts sites... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 17:35:35 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:35:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: It LIVES! To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 10:30, Rob Sharp wrote: > > > FINALLY whats SWMBO mean, I hate your internet acronym > geeks. > > > > Technically it's not an acronym..... > ..... > Oh and the abbreviation is "She Who Must Be Obeyed". Well, technically, it's not an abbreviation; it's an expansion. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 12 21:02:12 2003 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:01:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/11/03 To: Bruce Brownlee Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bruce Brownlee wrote: > Sure is.... Everyone knows Dale has shaft drive!!! I haven't worn out my cam chain yet, either! :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 08:33:56 2003 From: To: "garcia oliver" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Part wanted--Honda fan motor Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 8:33:47 -0400 as much as it pains me to recommend it, Coleman in Falls Church has a pretty good stock of used parts for Magnas. Also check out www.sabmag.org as there's a huge pool of Sabre/Magna owners on that list that may have a spare. cheers, -aki > > From: "garcia oliver" > Date: 2003/06/12 Thu PM 05:00:57 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Part wanted--Honda fan motor > > Asap. Cash money. Need fan motor (and blade) for 1982 Magna 750, the bike > from Hell. P/n 065000-0521. > > Now off to ebay and used parts sites... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 10:10:34 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Radar cams case thrown out Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:12:52 -0400 I'm sure this sent Higdon into an apoplectic fit. :-] -------------------- D.C. Judge Rejects Suit On Traffic Cameras 2 Motorists Challenge Electronic Enforcement By Henri E. Cauvin Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, June 13, 2003; Page B01 A D.C. Superior Court judge ruled yesterday that the city isn't violating the Constitution by fining the owners of cars caught on camera speeding down streets or running red lights. Two motorists had sued the city, saying the electronic enforcement system violates the right to due process, and their attorneys had petitioned to broaden their suit into a class action, on behalf of the thousands of automobile owners fined since the city began using traffic cameras in 1999. In a 14-page decision delivered in court yesterday, Judge Melvin R. Wright rejected the attorneys' assertions and threw out the lawsuit. The city, Wright said, can presume the owner of the car to be guilty, as long as the owner is given ample opportunity to rebut the charge. "The statute as passed has in essence removed all criminal penalties for its violation and instead has imposed the equivalent of a civil fine," Wright wrote. "No points are [assessed] nor can any person be imprisoned or have his/her license or registration revoked . . . for failure to pay the fine." As essentially civil matters, the traffic infractions can be enforced more broadly, he said. "Indeed, in civil cases," he continued, "the owner of a motor vehicle is liable for the negligence of any person driving that vehicle with the owner's consent. . . . Owners of motor vehicles are routinely held liable in violations for parking infractions on public streets and are required to pay fines for the violation." Horace L. Bradshaw and Thomas Ruffin, the plaintiffs' attorneys, questioned the judge's reasoning. "We're not going to stop," Bradshaw said. "This fight isn't over. We've gone this far with it, and the citizens want us to keep going." What was most frustrating, they said, was the judge's unwillingness to let the case have its day. "The judge is not going to give the people a hearing in court," Bradshaw said. "He is not giving the argument a chance to be heard. Taking the case to the District's appellate court, the D.C. Court of Appeals, is one possibility, the attorneys said. Going to the D.C. Council, with the backing of motorists who have been snared by the cameras, and pushing for a change in the law is another. "If the people become more involved, they can help," Bradshaw said. "This is an issue of social consequence." The city has collected more than $50 million in fines since the first red-light cameras were set up in August 1999; radar cameras to catch speeders were introduced in 2001. The plaintiffs' attorneys contend that the cameras have become an addictive source of revenue and that they have never been the safety tool that the city says they are. Wright disagreed, saying that the high number of infractions recorded by the cameras was evidence enough of the problem and that the cameras do provide a public safety service. Kevin P. Morison, a spokesman for the D.C. police, applauded the decision: "I think it's a really good day for the law-abiding motorist, the pedestrians, the bicyclists, anyone who uses the streets of the District of Columbia." The numbers bear out the positive effect of the cameras, Morison said. Last year, 50 people were killed in traffic fatalities in the District, down from 71 in 2001. So far this year, 25 people have died in traffic fatalities, down from 28 at this point last year. He also said fewer people are speeding. In the summer of 2001, the cameras would catch nearly one in three vehicles speeding; last month, one in 14 vehicles was caught speeding. ----------------- Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 11:05:15 2003 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:05:06 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Radar cams case thrown out To: dc-cycles list This was the expected outcome. Where's the news? Did anyone *REALLY* expect the kanga^^ DC courts to rule for anyone but the city ? Criminal penalty or civil, it's still a "state" sponsored "seizure" ... ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:12:52 -0400 >From: "Paul Wilson" >Subject: Radar cams case thrown out >To: "dc-cycles list" > >I'm sure this sent Higdon into an apoplectic fit. :-] > >-------------------- >D.C. Judge Rejects Suit On Traffic Cameras >2 Motorists Challenge Electronic Enforcement > >By Henri E. Cauvin >Washington Post Staff Writer >Friday, June 13, 2003; Page B01 > > >A D.C. Superior Court judge ruled yesterday that the city isn't violating >the Constitution by fining the owners of cars caught on camera speeding down >streets or running red lights. > >Two motorists had sued the city, saying the electronic enforcement system >violates the right to due process, and their attorneys had petitioned to >broaden their suit into a class action, on behalf of the thousands of >automobile owners fined since the city began using traffic cameras in 1999. > >In a 14-page decision delivered in court yesterday, Judge Melvin R. Wright >rejected the attorneys' assertions and threw out the lawsuit. > >The city, Wright said, can presume the owner of the car to be guilty, as >long as the owner is given ample opportunity to rebut the charge. > >"The statute as passed has in essence removed all criminal penalties for its >violation and instead has imposed the equivalent of a civil fine," Wright >wrote. "No points are [assessed] nor can any person be imprisoned or have >his/her license or registration revoked . . . for failure to pay the fine." > >As essentially civil matters, the traffic infractions can be enforced more >broadly, he said. "Indeed, in civil cases," he continued, "the owner of a >motor vehicle is liable for the negligence of any person driving that >vehicle with the owner's consent. . . . Owners of motor vehicles are >routinely held liable in violations for parking infractions on public >streets and are required to pay fines for the violation." > >Horace L. Bradshaw and Thomas Ruffin, the plaintiffs' attorneys, questioned >the judge's reasoning. "We're not going to stop," Bradshaw said. "This fight >isn't over. We've gone this far with it, and the citizens want us to keep >going." > >What was most frustrating, they said, was the judge's unwillingness to let >the case have its day. "The judge is not going to give the people a hearing >in court," Bradshaw said. "He is not giving the argument a chance to be >heard. > >Taking the case to the District's appellate court, the D.C. Court of >Appeals, is one possibility, the attorneys said. Going to the D.C. Council, >with the backing of motorists who have been snared by the cameras, and >pushing for a change in the law is another. "If the people become more >involved, they can help," Bradshaw said. "This is an issue of social >consequence." > >The city has collected more than $50 million in fines since the first >red-light cameras were set up in August 1999; radar cameras to catch >speeders were introduced in 2001. The plaintiffs' attorneys contend that the >cameras have become an addictive source of revenue and that they have never >been the safety tool that the city says they are. > >Wright disagreed, saying that the high number of infractions recorded by the >cameras was evidence enough of the problem and that the cameras do provide a >public safety service. > >Kevin P. Morison, a spokesman for the D.C. police, applauded the decision: >"I think it's a really good day for the law-abiding motorist, the >pedestrians, the bicyclists, anyone who uses the streets of the District of >Columbia." > >The numbers bear out the positive effect of the cameras, Morison said. Last >year, 50 people were killed in traffic fatalities in the District, down from >71 in 2001. So far this year, 25 people have died in traffic fatalities, >down from 28 at this point last year. > >He also said fewer people are speeding. In the summer of 2001, the cameras >would catch nearly one in three vehicles speeding; last month, one in 14 >vehicles was caught speeding. > >----------------- >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 11:12:22 2003 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance company question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:11:49 -0400 I'm dealing with state farm and it's time for them to cut me a check for a stolen motorcycle. Arent' they supposed to pay the retail blue book value + reciepts for any accessories? He seems to want to cut me a check for trade in value and like 1/3 of the accessory values. I guess I'll have to print out the blue book value and haggle with the jerk. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 11:40:06 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Segway Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:38:04 -0400 Segway may not be the thing of future... (still a two wheel vehicle subject!) http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/030612/170/4dnhg.html --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 12:05:42 2003 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:05:39 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Segway To: dc-cycles >Segway may not be the thing of future... (still a two wheel >vehicle >subject!) > >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story2&u=/030612/170/4dnhg.html My 1st thought is... WWAGD? (What would Al Gore Do ?) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 12:10:10 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Segway Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:12:32 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > > >Segway may not be the thing of future... (still a two wheel > >vehicle > >subject!) > > > >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? > tmpl=story2&u=/030612/170/4dnhg.html > > My 1st thought is... WWAGD? > (What would Al Gore Do ?) > Dave Yates > Wax eloquent, methinks. "That's one small stumble for man, one giant pratfall for mankind...." Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 12:12:58 2003 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Insurance company question To: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX check the language of your policy.... it controls. we can't provide any insight without seeing the language in that contract. --- Daniel wrote: > I'm dealing with state farm and it's time for them to > cut me a check > for a stolen motorcycle. Arent' they supposed to pay > the retail blue > book value + reciepts for any accessories? > > He seems to want to cut me a check for trade in value and > like 1/3 of > the accessory values. > > I guess I'll have to print out the blue book value and > haggle with the > jerk. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 12:23:42 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Dave Yates'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Segway Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:23:34 -0400 He'd put it in a lockbox. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [SMTP:Dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:06 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Segway > > > >Segway may not be the thing of future... (still a two wheel > >vehicle > >subject!) > > > >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? > tmpl=story2&u=/030612/170/4dnhg.html > > My 1st thought is... WWAGD? > (What would Al Gore Do ?) > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 12:24:24 2003 Subject: Re: Segway Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:24:00 -0500 From: To: , Oh no......here we go again...... >>> Dave Yates 06/13/03 12:05PM >>> My 1st thought is... WWAGD? (What would Al Gore Do ?) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 12:29:29 2003 From: Daniel To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance company question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:28:56 -0400 Thanks Tom and dave, will do. I have to find the policy. It's a standard pamphlet thing they give out and I don't think it really says much per the specifics like this, but i'm going to try to find it and check, or get another one, or at least have the adjuster show it to me in writing. On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:12:19 -0700 (PDT), Tom Gimer wrote: >check the language of your policy.... it controls. we >can't provide any insight without seeing the language in >that contract. > > > >--- Daniel wrote: >> I'm dealing with state farm and it's time for them to >> cut me a check >> for a stolen motorcycle. Arent' they supposed to pay >> the retail blue >> book value + reciepts for any accessories? >> >> He seems to want to cut me a check for trade in value and >> like 1/3 of >> the accessory values. >> >> I guess I'll have to print out the blue book value and >> haggle with the >> jerk. >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 13:12:28 2003 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance company question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:12:15 -0400 State Farm paid out on my F3 and they used the NADA retail value, which was slightly higher for bikes with aftermarket exhausts such as mine. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Check these sites for market values: http://www2.nadaguides.com/Values/ZipCode.asp?UserID=062703856A8&DID=37431&w Sec=3&wPg=1102 http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/ke.kb.bz?kbb&&868&zip_mc;2139 http://www.mcnews.com/mcnews/articles/used_bike_value_guide.htm Thanks Tom and dave, will do. I have to find the policy. It's a standard pamphlet thing they give out and I don't think it really says much per the specifics like this, but i'm going to try to find it and check, or get another one, or at least have the adjuster show it to me in writing. On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:12:19 -0700 (PDT), Tom Gimer wrote: >check the language of your policy.... it controls. we >can't provide any insight without seeing the language in >that contract. > > > >--- Daniel wrote: >> I'm dealing with state farm and it's time for them to >> cut me a check >> for a stolen motorcycle. Arent' they supposed to pay >> the retail blue >> book value + reciepts for any accessories? >> >> He seems to want to cut me a check for trade in value and >> like 1/3 of >> the accessory values. >> >> I guess I'll have to print out the blue book value and >> haggle with the >> jerk. >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 13:21:41 2003 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:29:07 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance company question When I wadded my YZF, State Farm paid KBB retail. It was bone stock though. 1/3 for accesories sounds fair though, esp if you didn't have a rider for them. He also said if I could prove the bikes were selling for more than blue book in my area, he'd be glad to pay that. I thought KBB was more than fair. On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Daniel wrote: > I'm dealing with state farm and it's time for them to cut me a check > for a stolen motorcycle. Arent' they supposed to pay the retail blue > book value + reciepts for any accessories? > > He seems to want to cut me a check for trade in value and like 1/3 of > the accessory values. > > I guess I'll have to print out the blue book value and haggle with the > jerk. > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 13:36:34 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance company question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:36:45 -0500 yeah they are gonna try to screw you every time, just don't cash any checks for less that you wanted. They suck, you shouldn't take any less than the amount to replace your bike and all it's stuff. Rob On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:11:49 -0400, Daniel wrote > I'm dealing with state farm and it's time for them to cut me a check > for a stolen motorcycle. Arent' they supposed to pay the retail > blue book value + reciepts for any accessories? > > He seems to want to cut me a check for trade in value and like 1/3 of > the accessory values. > > I guess I'll have to print out the blue book value and haggle with > the jerk. -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 13:57:24 2003 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Noe Subject: Chain Drive, 101 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I am finishing up my own chain/sprocket job. Trust me, front sprockets eventually get knackered. Mine has 20,000 km on it and now makes an interesting paperweight. The rear was not too bad but as someone pointed out, with the cost of new chain, might as well cover your bets and do the sprockets. The old rule of thumb for chain wear was to lift the chain from the rear sprocket directly back of the axle. If the chain came away enough to expose about half a tooth length, it and/or the sprocket were knackered. When I do chain adjustments, I compress the rear suspension to get the axle, swingarm pivot and countershaft sprocket in the same line. Then I rotate the rear wheel while looking for the tightest spot in the chain and adjust for the right amount of slack at the tightest spot. Then it's time to align the rear wheel in respect to the front using string and jackstands. Can't trust the marks on each adjuster on the swing arm. That done, the anal can then doublecheck chain adjustment again. More info than you wanted. Continuing a proud tradition. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 14:29:26 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Steve Noe , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain Drive, 101 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:29:37 -0500 > Then it's time to align the rear wheel in respect to > the front using string and jackstands. Can't trust > the marks on each adjuster on the swing arm. That > done, the anal can then doublecheck chain adjustment > again. If you had a SSSA* bike like say the Honda Hawk GT, beautiful Bike BTW, chain maintenance is a world easier. Ecentric hub makes adjsting the slack a 30 second job. I always though the only way you could truly chew up your sprocket was to tighen the chain too tight and it would chew off the teeth. Rob *SSSA=Single Side Swing Arm -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 20:41:36 2003 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:33:52 -0400 Subject: Heading South--Way South! From: Bob McKeithen To: Pam Smith , Bill Freeman , DC Cycles , Gus/Bill McKeithen , Emory McKeithen , Janet Pommerening , Alan Ribner , Robbie Marshall , Geraldine Simmons , Dave/Lana Miller , Kay Allhiser , Brian Ward , MGCL I will be leaving on Sunday to ride down to Costa Rica. I expect it take about ten days to get there and plan to spend ten days there--then ten days back. I will keep you posted. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 13 21:35:23 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Track day Monday! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:35:17 -0400 X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19Qzwh-000DXX-DW*YlZ9CwjRy7U* Don't forget, LMS is having a Track Day Monday at Summit Point. Free to watch if you are off that day. Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 14 06:57:37 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 06:57:28 EDT Subject: Re: Radar cams case thrown out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/13/2003 10:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > I'm sure this sent Higdon into an apoplectic fit. :-] He aint the only one. Safety my ass, lying bastards. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 14 07:02:57 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 07:02:47 EDT Subject: Re: Segway To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hee Hee, Bush fall down, hee hee. Damn near makes up for the camera enforcement scam story. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 14 07:13:03 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 07:12:51 EDT Subject: Re: Chain Drive, 101 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/13/2003 2:30:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > I always though the only way you could truly chew up your sprocket was to > tighen the chain too tight and it would chew off the teeth. They wear out, believe me, they wear out. Part of life with a chain. (Someone once tried to make a _plastic_ rear sprocket for the old Honda CB750. I am not sure I have ever seen such a round _smooth_ disk before, I mean no teeth at all after just a few hundred miles. What were they thinking......) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 14 07:19:18 2003 To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Hi all FROM: "Michael J." Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 07:16:51 -0400 >From me, Sean & Thomas at Passo Dello Stelvio in the Italian Alps via the wonders of wireless email. Gad! It's great to be connected! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 14 07:21:08 2003 To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: P.S. FROM: "Michael J." Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 07:18:42 -0400 Having a great time - wish you were here. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 15 09:03:30 2003 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:03:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Now HERE's a real mans man trailer... saw this in the va.forsale newsgroup: -aki ************************************************************************************************ Covered Utility Trailer Best Offer. This Utility Trailer is the back end of a 1972 Ford full sized van. It was cut behind the front seats and placed on a heavy towing frame hitch. The axle was replaced with a solid axle, and the front is covered up. There is a point on the front to cut the wind better. It pulls nice. The trailer is properly wired for lights, and there are heavy safety chains on it. http://monkeywithatypewriter.com/acatalog/For_Sale_Utility_Trailer_4.html Price: BO Location: USA>Virginia>Stafford, Virginia Category: Home>Automotive>Parts & Accessories From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 15 12:37:38 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: TLRR Transformation Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:37:29 -0400 X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19RaVR-000P8n-3n*mLuzRp4SLP2* Playing with the camera the other day while prepping the TLR for Track Day Monday. Warning, this thing is 6 megs in size :-) http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/video/tlrr.gif Gary Foreman TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 15 17:34:41 2003 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:34:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Hi all To: "Michael J." Cc: DC-Cycles "Michael J." wrote: > > >From me, Sean & Thomas at Passo Dello Stelvio in the Italian Alps via the wonders of wireless email. Gad! It's great to be connected! > > Michael J. Just for the record, we really, really hate you all. :) Take care, ride safe. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 15 21:02:34 2003 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Spam: Bike for sale Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:03:54 -0400 Hey, Still a lurker down in here in hot & humid South Carolina. I've got a bike for sale, and being a Maryland'er at heart, will gladly deliver to the DELMARVA area if the money is waiting for me on the other end. If you're not interested, forward to a friend, wouldja? http://www.cycletrader.com/addetail.html?49988990 Thanks for the bandwidth. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard (For Sale) 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle (Also for sale) You know you're addicted to racing when you refer to the end of your driveway as 'Pit Out' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 09:30:40 2003 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pete Wysocki, Always at Top Speed ... Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:19:01 -0400 Chuck, (and everyone else who knew him), my condolences. We'll miss him at BikeNights! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62683-2003Jun15.html Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 10:38:39 2003 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: robkeiser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pete Wysocki, Always at Top Speed ... Rob, Thanks. I'll miss Pete immensely. I didn't know him when he actually played for the Redskins and although most of DC knew him as an ex-Redskin, he was always just Pete -- an all around great guy and friend -- to me. I always used to joke that I loved him in spite of him being a Redskin. We raced bicycles together and he actually got me into motorcycling. The last couple times I actually saw Pete he was doing well. Went to visit him when he and Gretchen moved into their new house in Vienna. And I'd see him downtown ocassionally while out and about, usually coming or going from a restaurant. And he lived life like he played football -- he didn't leave anything out there on the field. Chuck -------Original Message------- From: Rob Keiser Sent: 06/16/03 09:19 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pete Wysocki, Always at Top Speed ... > > Chuck, (and everyone else who knew him), my condolences. We'll miss him at BikeNights! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62683-2003Jun15.html Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 10:49:51 2003 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:48:45 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Crystal City parking disastor! ACK! The rat bastards shut down free M/C parking at Crystal Drive and 20th Street! I wasn't in last week and didn't get the nastygram on my scoot, so today I arrive and go "Huh, what's with this - 3 bikes on a day that should have drawn 30+???" I see a biker and ask if he rode in. Nope, sez he, no more parking at the corner, they're supposed to start towing today. YIKES!!! I grab my stuff and haul butt outta there. So have the Evul CC Bikers found a new free parking spot yet? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 11:03:43 2003 Subject: Re: Crystal City parking disastor! From: Carl Schelin To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: 16 Jun 2003 10:59:19 -0400 You can park over here if you want. It's not free but it's better than being towed :-) Carl On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 10:48, William J. Huson wrote: > ACK! The rat bastards shut down free M/C parking at Crystal Drive and > 20th Street! I wasn't in last week and didn't get the nastygram on my > scoot, so today I arrive and go "Huh, what's with this - 3 bikes on a > day that should have drawn 30+???" I see a biker and ask if he rode > in. Nope, sez he, no more parking at the corner, they're supposed to > start towing today. YIKES!!! I grab my stuff and haul butt outta there. > > So have the Evul CC Bikers found a new free parking spot yet? > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 12:57:12 2003 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:56:17 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: michaelj@XXXXXX ("Michael J."), dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("DC-Cycles") Subject: Re: P.S. Me too. :-) Scooter In a message dated 6/14/2003 6:18:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Michael J." writes: >Having a great time - wish you were here. > >Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 14:14:54 2003 Subject: Father's Day Ride From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Jun 2003 14:10:34 -0400 Saturday my youngest daughter (Samantha) called me. She was jonesing for a bike ride and could we ride on Sunday? Since she normally doesn't call unless she's hitting me up for money (school books, trips, etc) I was happy to provide the vehicle and to be able to spend a few hours with her. Sunday rolls around and it's calling for rain. I figure the ride's off and resign myself to working around the house but my wife kicks me out. "It's only a few drops, get out of the house." I go down and pick up Samantha and we head out Rt 17 at about 2pm. Strapped to the back are two sets of rain suits and various other items all in a backpack. I also had to switch out my solo Corbin seat and put on the stock seat. We had almost reached Rt 29 when it started to rain. We pulled off at the Self Storage and I asked her if she wanted to continue or head back? "Keep going." I break out the yellow slickers and we tie on the bandannas (rain hurts :-) and we head off. North on 29 to the 17 business -> 211 turn off. We head up 211 to Skyline Drive. The rain is amusing as we head up the mountain. Some bonehead in a black Nissan SUV thinks he's racing us. It'd be funny if he wasn't cutting the turns. We turn into Skyline and pays our moneys. $10.00 this time. We turn in at the first turn-out, shake off the water and check everything out. Samantha says the backpack feels loose on the back of the bike. Since there isn't much in the backpack she puts it on. The ride down Skyline was pretty cool. Clouds pouring down the valleys and the floor way down below. We stopped at a few places. She hadn't been down Skyline before so we'll have to hit it again when it's nicer. Front Royal was fairly dry and it stayed dry the rest of the way home. When we got to her place, we stripped out of the slickers and were fairly dry. Our feet were fairly wet and there were damp spots but dry otherwise. We chatted for a bit and I bailed out. I have to say though, that stock Harley seat really sucks after being used to a better one. My butt is still sore :-) Later, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 16 16:10:21 2003 To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: European Harley riders wave FROM: "Michael J." Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:05:14 -0400 Sometimes they even initiate the process. Believe it or not... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 09:29:07 2003 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Test To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Didn't get any messages from the list overnight. Testing to see if I'm still on the list. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 09:37:44 2003 Subject: Re: Test From: Carl Schelin To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 17 Jun 2003 09:33:15 -0400 On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 09:29, chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > Didn't get any messages from the list overnight. > Testing to see if I'm still on the list. > Yea, I think the rain's getting to everyone. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 09:40:30 2003 Subject: Frame Stuff From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 17 Jun 2003 09:36:04 -0400 I spoke to Leon's welding reference last night. We're getting together with Leon (if he's available this weekend) to inspect my frame. As far as deep inspection, he said that there are only two ways to verify a weld. X-ray and destruction. So he's going to look at the welds and see if they look ok. I'm not prepared to pay up to $1,000 to x-ray the frame or have someone destroy it to see if it's a good frame. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 09:43:56 2003 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:47:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Test From: Steve Miller To: Just been quiet I think. I just read a good review, one that goes into motorcycle aesthetics: http://motorcycledaily.com/28may03motoguzzi_evtouring.htm There's something I don't like about Japanese sportbike design, and also something I don't like about typical American/Japanese cruiser design, and I think this article hints at it. on 6/17/03 9:29 AM, chris_vtr@XXXXXX at chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > Didn't get any messages from the list overnight. > Testing to see if I'm still on the list. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 09:54:09 2003 To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hallo=20von=20=D6sterreich?= FROM: "Michael J." Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:49:57 -0400 Ducked across the border for no apparent reason other than to say we hit Austria. Michael J. und der Kinder From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 19:06:54 2003 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Yahoo! Auto Response To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm out of town, shepherding my riders from Raleigh, NC to Washington, DC on the new Tour de Friends. If you are free on Sunday, June 22, head to our closing cereminies! Check out www.tourdefriends.com. If you really really REALLY need to talk, give my cell a call. -------------------- Original Message: X-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 X-Rocket-Server: 66.163.174.38 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:00:01 -0400 From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 06/17/03 ------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 17 21:28:44 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Father's Day Ride Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:28:44 -0500 Such a nice store about fathers day and you end it with your butt being sore from the stock seat! Rob > > I have to say though, that stock Harley seat really sucks after being > used to a better one. My butt is still sore :-) > > Later, > > Carl -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 00:37:35 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: LMS Track Day Photos Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:37:28 -0400 X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19SUhP-000I8b-3N*O1Bq2ak1hsQ* No better way to spend your birthday! http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/030616/index.htm Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 06:31:38 2003 Subject: Re: Father's Day Ride From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 18 Jun 2003 06:27:17 -0400 On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 21:28, Rob Sharp wrote: > Such a nice store about fathers day and you end it with your butt being sore > from the stock seat! > Isn't this dc-cycles? Don't all the messages have to have something to bitch about when you make a ride. Every ride is supposed to have an acentode (anecdote; I've _got_ to work on my dyslexia) to make it memorable. In this case it's the sucky (if you'll forgive me) assed seat. In particular because I ordered a new Corbin touring seat for the bike trip to Boise. > Rob > Carl > -- > Rob Sharp > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer Ahh, I can beat that: CCNA/CCNP 2.0, Sun CSA and CNA 2.5.1, 3Com 3Wizard and DNRC Prime Minister of Obfuscation. Gotta get some college one of these days :-) CS From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 07:01:05 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: WV Campgrounds? SWMBO and I are planning on going camping next weekend in West ("By God!") Virginia, and I'm looking for some campground recommendations. Apparently waterfalls are an absolute necessity, and the campground should ideally be secluded and private. Anyone? Bueller? Not moto-camping, sadly, as SWMBO refuses to get on the back of the bike, but I'm viewing this as a scouting expedition for when I go off motocamping/backpacking on my own... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 07:01:45 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Aerostich order. I'm placing an order at Aerostich today for assorted stuff. (No 'stich, sadly.) If anyone is interested in going in on it and sharing shipping, drop me a line. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 08:37:04 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:36:15 -0400 From: lisagoddard Subject: speed camera To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/06/18/nspeed1 8.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/06/18/ixhome.html smile for the camera! Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 08:38:46 2003 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WV Campgrounds? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:38:35 -0400 Fish, Check out Blackwater Falls, near Davis WV. Lots of other areas as well, especially as you head further south. Perry >From: Fish Flowers >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: WV Campgrounds? >Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:01:06 -0700 (PDT) > >SWMBO and I are planning on going camping next weekend in West ("By God!") >Virginia, and I'm looking for some campground recommendations. Apparently >waterfalls are an absolute necessity, and the campground should ideally be >secluded and private. Anyone? Bueller? > >Not moto-camping, sadly, as SWMBO refuses to get on the back of the bike, >but I'm viewing this as a scouting expedition for when I go off >motocamping/backpacking on my own... > >Fish. > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 09:00:35 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:00:31 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: speed camera And here's "The Tuf-tuf Club: the fist against speed traps". http://www.tuftufclub.com/english/index.htm ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: lisagoddard Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:36:15 -0400 > > >http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/06/18/nspeed1 >8.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/06/18/ixhome.html > >smile for the camera! > >Lisa >'95 VFR > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 09:15:28 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:11:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Aerostich order. To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Fish Flowers wrote: > > (No 'stich, sadly.) Me neither. Too bady Andy Goldfine doesn't make suits in men's sizes. :( Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 09:42:30 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:37:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: speed camera To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris Norloff wrote: > > And here's "The Tuf-tuf Club: the fist against speed traps". > > http://www.tuftufclub.com/english/index.htm I can't understand why these cameras last more than a week on the streets. The people need to quit tolerating big brother abuses like this. Tear em down, spray paint them, fill 'em full of lead. :) Hork, anarchist. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 10:10:22 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: LMS Track Day Photos Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:10:13 -0400 wow, thanks for getting a pic of me; http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/030616/0616-096.jpg that's me getting back on track after going down earlier in the morning. I didn't notice I lost a screw on the rear fairing till I pit in... --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Foreman" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:37 AM Subject: LMS Track Day Photos > No better way to spend your birthday! > > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/030616/index.htm > > Gary > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 10:15:56 2003 Subject: News Article From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 18 Jun 2003 10:11:35 -0400 A biker running from the cops in Mich lost control and died. As a result though there have been two nights of riots, including 5 burning buildings and cars. http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/3943005.html Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 10:52:48 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: WV Campgrounds? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX As I told Fish last year, I highly recommend this book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0897323173/103-0744614-5359868?vi=glance and it looks as though they have a deal for the both the VA and WV book. Glenn --- Fish Flowers wrote: > SWMBO and I are planning on going camping next > weekend in West ("By God!") > Virginia, and I'm looking for some campground > recommendations. Apparently > waterfalls are an absolute necessity, and the > campground should ideally be > secluded and private. Anyone? Bueller? > > Not moto-camping, sadly, as SWMBO refuses to get on > the back of the bike, > but I'm viewing this as a scouting expedition for > when I go off > motocamping/backpacking on my own... > > Fish. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 13:43:26 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:42:57 -0400 From: Tom de To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speed camera Dale Horstman wrote: >Chris Norloff wrote: > > >>And here's "The Tuf-tuf Club: the fist against speed traps". >> >>http://www.tuftufclub.com/english/index.htm >> >> > >I can't understand why these cameras last more than >a week on the streets. The people need to quit tolerating >big brother abuses like this. Tear em down, spray >paint them, fill 'em full of lead. :) > > I agree. Has anybody tried one of those license plate covers? The ones that are supposed to block photos? Thanks, Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 13:52:19 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: speed camera To: Tom de , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom de wrote: > Dale Horstman wrote: > > >Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > > >>And here's "The Tuf-tuf Club: the fist against speed > traps". > >> > >>http://www.tuftufclub.com/english/index.htm > >> > >> > > > >I can't understand why these cameras last more than > >a week on the streets. The people need to quit > tolerating > >big brother abuses like this. Tear em down, spray > >paint them, fill 'em full of lead. :) > > > > > I agree. Has anybody tried one of those license plate > covers? The ones > that are supposed to block photos? the problem with these things is that the penalty for using them is often significantly higher than the zero-point infractions handed out by speed cameras. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 14:00:38 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:00:27 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: speed camera To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gimer counters the countermeasures argument with: >the problem with these things is that the penalty for using >them is often significantly higher than the zero-point >infractions handed out by speed cameras. [Dave] That depends - has anyone who has received one of these handy, dandy photo tickets checked their driving record lately? Beyond that, has anyone furhter checked if their insurance policy lists the offenses also? If your 'guilt or innocence' of the offense is a matter of public record, then it is only a matter of time before the insurance companies start using this information to raise your rates. If speeding is legitimate grounds for charging you more for auto or moto insurance, then, so is a civil infraction for speeding in DC. That's a gold mine of money for the insurance companies... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 14:18:58 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:18:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: speed camera To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX these zero-point speed camera infractions are not supposed to be associated with any individual driver's record, and therefore should not effect insurance rates. additionally, paying a fine associated with one of these infractions cannot be used as an admission of guilt.... --- Dave Yates wrote: > Gimer counters the countermeasures argument with: > > >the problem with these things is that the penalty for > using > >them is often significantly higher than the zero-point > >infractions handed out by speed cameras. > > [Dave] That depends - has anyone who has received one of > > these handy, dandy photo tickets checked their driving > record > lately? Beyond that, has anyone furhter checked if their > > insurance policy lists the offenses also? > > If your 'guilt or innocence' of the offense is a matter > of > public record, then it is only a matter of time before > the > insurance companies start using this information to raise > > your rates. If speeding is legitimate grounds for > charging > you more for auto or moto insurance, then, so is a civil > infraction for speeding in DC. That's a gold mine of > money > for the insurance companies... > > > Dave Yates > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 14:48:54 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: speed camera Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:48:25 -0400 Right, but the insurance companies do not insure the driver as much as the car. The car was speeding and therefore was at greater risk of being part of a accident. I could see the insurance companies pulling that one... -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:19 PM > To: Dave Yates; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: speed camera > > > these zero-point speed camera infractions are not supposed > to be associated with any individual driver's record, and > therefore should not effect insurance rates. additionally, > paying a fine associated with one of these infractions > cannot be used as an admission of guilt.... > > > > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Gimer counters the countermeasures argument with: > > > > >the problem with these things is that the penalty for > > using > > >them is often significantly higher than the zero-point > > >infractions handed out by speed cameras. > > > > [Dave] That depends - has anyone who has received one of > > > > these handy, dandy photo tickets checked their driving > > record > > lately? Beyond that, has anyone furhter checked if their > > > > insurance policy lists the offenses also? > > > > If your 'guilt or innocence' of the offense is a matter > > of > > public record, then it is only a matter of time before > > the > > insurance companies start using this information to raise > > > > your rates. If speeding is legitimate grounds for > > charging > > you more for auto or moto insurance, then, so is a civil > > infraction for speeding in DC. That's a gold mine of > > money > > for the insurance companies... > > > > > > Dave Yates > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 14:59:11 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , Subject: Re: speed camera Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:47:39 -0400 Tickets go out to the registered owner(s) in the DMV database. Your Driver's License never enters the transaction, as it would it on a ticket written by a live human officer. Same as a parking ticket in that respect. As civil penalties the government's burden of proof is lower, as well as the defendant's expectations for due process. This is what the judge ruled, as I recall, based on a DC Court of Appeals decision some years back. All this, of course, supports that contention that the program amounts to little more than a speeding tax, and is not a bona fide attempt, in the interest of safety, to weed out dangerous speeders who cause loss of life, limb and property. As long as you're willing to keep writing out those checks, you can speed all you want (and run all the red lights you want too) without jeopardizing your driving privileges. In that respect it's very regressive and benefits the well-off who can continue to mis-behave to the tune of $50 a pop. $50 means a lot more to someone cleaning offices or flipping burgers at or near minimum wage. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > Gimer counters the countermeasures argument with: > > >the problem with these things is that the penalty for using > >them is often significantly higher than the zero-point > >infractions handed out by speed cameras. > > [Dave] That depends - has anyone who has received one of > these handy, dandy photo tickets checked their driving record > lately? Beyond that, has anyone furhter checked if their > insurance policy lists the offenses also? > > If your 'guilt or innocence' of the offense is a matter of > public record, then it is only a matter of time before the > insurance companies start using this information to raise > your rates. If speeding is legitimate grounds for charging > you more for auto or moto insurance, then, so is a civil > infraction for speeding in DC. That's a gold mine of money > for the insurance companies... > > > Dave Yates > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 15:09:20 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:09:14 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: speed camera To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gimer clarified for us: >these zero-point speed camera infractions are not supposed >to be associated with any individual driver's record, and >therefore should not effect insurance rates. additionally, >paying a fine associated with one of these infractions >cannot be used as an admission of guilt.... [Dave] All well and good, but bad credit is also not necessarily associated with commission or guilt of a crime, however, is used to increase insurance rates... I reiterate, there is nothing PREVENTING insurance companies from mining this information if it is public record. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 15:11:40 2003 Subject: RE: speed camera Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:11:33 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Is speed cam ticket information public and easily availble information? If it is available, do they disclose only VIN, or also add vehicle registrant/address? Just curious. -Witold > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Tickets go out to the registered owner(s) in the DMV database. Your > Driver's License never enters the transaction, as it would it > on a ticket > written by a live human officer. Same as a parking ticket in > that respect. > As civil penalties the government's burden of proof is lower, > as well as the > defendant's expectations for due process. This is what the > judge ruled, as > I recall, based on a DC Court of Appeals decision some years back. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 16:14:44 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:14:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: speed camera To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This place has a test that was done by Fox 5. http://www.phantomplate.com/ Seems the only stuff that works and would prevent you from getting a ticket (as its undetectable) is the spray. Bad news is that its ~ $30 for a can and it has to be reapplied every three weeks. Not worth it IMO. From what I understand if you get one of these tickets in Virginia, you can show up to court and get it thrown out pretty easily. Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > the problem with these things is that the penalty > for using > them is often significantly higher than the > zero-point > infractions handed out by speed cameras. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 16:27:04 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:24:23 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speed camera Glenn Dysart wrote: > > This place has a test that was done by Fox 5. > http://www.phantomplate.com/ > > Seems the only stuff that works and would prevent you > from getting a ticket (as its undetectable) is the > spray. Bad news is that its ~ $30 for a can and it > has to be reapplied every three weeks. Not worth it > IMO. From what I understand if you get one of these > tickets in Virginia, you can show up to court and get > it thrown out pretty easily. this one says it's good for the life of the tag... http://www.phantomplate.com/4_product.htm further, what legal angle do you take to get one thrown out in Virginia? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 16:53:18 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: speed camera Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:53:11 -0400 > From: Glenn Dysart > > This place has a test that was done by Fox 5. > http://www.phantomplate.com/ > > Seems the only stuff that works and would prevent you > from getting a ticket (as its undetectable) is the > spray. Bad news is that its ~ $30 for a can and it > has to be reapplied every three weeks. Not worth it > IMO. From what I understand if you get one of these > tickets in Virginia, you can show up to court and get > it thrown out pretty easily. Are you sure about the every three week thing? I think they're saying that their spray is permanent, but their competitor's product needs to be redone every few weeks. If it's permanent, and enough to do all 5 of my vehicles, $30 bucks is cheap. I think I may have to give it a try. Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 16:57:48 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'rmeyer9@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: speed camera Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:57:49 -0400 If you do, make sure you take a series of before no flash/flash and after no flash/flash pictures from different angles and distances. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Meyer [SMTP:rmeyer9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:53 PM > To: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: speed camera > > > From: Glenn Dysart > > > > > This place has a test that was done by Fox 5. > > http://www.phantomplate.com/ > > > > Seems the only stuff that works and would prevent you > > from getting a ticket (as its undetectable) is the > > spray. Bad news is that its ~ $30 for a can and it > > has to be reapplied every three weeks. Not worth it > > IMO. From what I understand if you get one of these > > tickets in Virginia, you can show up to court and get > > it thrown out pretty easily. > > Are you sure about the every three week thing? I think they're saying > that their spray is permanent, but their competitor's product needs to be > redone every few weeks. If it's permanent, and enough to do all 5 of my > vehicles, $30 bucks is cheap. I think I may have to give it a try. > > > Bob Meyer > '92 Standard > STOC # 1157 > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible > warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 18:26:55 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: OT -- Hey! Phone pics should be fun. Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:25:41 -0400 More man vs. megapixel issues. From Australia comes "Courts may crack down on mobiles" http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/16/1055615728563.html Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > 24/7 grin for possible pics Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 22:06:43 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: David Subject: Skyline Drive, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Any cruisers looking for riding buddies out to Skyline Drive or west of DC any day this weekend? I can leave work in Vienna at 1 pm Friday, go for that afternoon, all day Sat, or anytime Sun. Please let me know. David __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 18 23:59:30 2003 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: patti rodgers Subject: DC Inspection To: DC Cycles So... just how hard is it to fail DC inspection for a motorcycle? I need to run down there with my Birthday Present To Myself and want to make it painless. How many mirrors do you need? I looked on their web site and in the archives here but no numbers jump out. And just how loud does the bike have to be before it gets failed? The only things they ever checked on my bikes was horn, signals (this bike never had any and is allegedly exempt from that rule) and tire tread, but I really do not want to make two trips to The Bad Place! Thanks, cheers, Patti (I usually omit the Bike Listing but since the stable is growing I figured, why not just this once) '72 BSA FireBird Scrambler (happy Birthday to me) '69 BSA FireBird (wants some valve springs) '70 Triumph Trophy (waiting to be put back together) '95 Yamaha Virago (it ain't British but it sure is easy to start) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 01:08:14 2003 To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: 'Stitch FROM: "Michael J." Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:05:48 -0400 > Me neither. Too bady Andy > Goldfine doesn't make suits > in men's sizes. :( > Hork Amen - they do alterations, but then it's a custom suit and is yours (non- returnable) Bummer Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 01:47:50 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:42:10 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: speed cameras and mans' tomorrow... Unfortunately, I agree with Jim. Not that it's Jim but that they'll find a way and it's only a matter of time. I would love to be optimistic about things right now but as far as law enforcement and the profiteering from it goes I see most signs pointing to "Police State Inc." On a slightly different note...I got a chance to ride with an Arlington, Texas bike cop supervisor from Ely to Reno, NV who was a super cool dude and we had a great time. He explained the ticket-quota deal to me and it basically went like they can't technically give cops numerical quotas but if they don't pull in citations (which would then ultimately be tallied monetarily) then they're relieved from duty. It's like copier salespeople only a little bit different. On a much different note...makes me think of the fall of the Roman Empire. Huge empire, vast and expansive. Get's too big and complicated then the values spin out of control and implode. Infrastructure gets riddled with corruption and then comes an internal deterioration. Then the barbarians from the north - in this case Canadians (YAAAH CANADIANS!!!) - just cruise on in and establish something else that basically HAS to be better than what was just before. My guess is first all of man has to suffer some kind of hardship (probably provided by Mother Earth herself) which we will all have to endure for hundreds - if not thousands - of years and RE-learn a common lesson through the loss of billions of people that live in enormous cities that a changed world climate can no longer support. Then we get rid of national borders and identities: just a buncha bloody lines on a map that people argue over. Lastly, the fortunate remainder of people who never lost their ability to live off of the land in a wild and dynamic world will tell tales and recognize the family of man again. Now, to be sure, this may take a few hundred years but there's plenty of time. Plenty of time indeed.... But then other stuff could also happen. I could buy a stupid Lexus SUV with wax laden wings and a personalized plate that sez: "Icarus". AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH HAHAHAHAHA.......... ;) "You can be too heavy at times." "Well then, we must _all_ lighten up because at bottom we return to this same question every day, and even night: Now what should I do?" Et in Animus Pax -Carlo >Right, but the insurance companies do not insure the driver as much as >the car. The car was speeding and therefore was at greater risk of >being part of a accident. I could see the insurance companies pulling >that one... >-Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 07:31:47 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:30:39 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: patti rodgers CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: DC Inspection Methinks the EPA (federal) noise limit is 80db. My Hawg mufflers had stickers saying they complied with EPA requirements - 80db, but no info like 80db at idle, or 80db measured from 20 feet at WOT... I believe the fed requirement for turn signals was 1973. If you can find that law, print it out and carry it to inspection. No idea about mirrors, but headlight always on was 1981, also a federal law. Good luck! Bill patti rodgers wrote: > So... just how hard is it to fail DC inspection for a > motorcycle? I need to run down there with my Birthday > Present To Myself and want to make it painless. > > How many mirrors do you need? I looked on their web > site and in the archives here but no numbers jump out. > And just how loud does the bike have to be before it > gets failed? The only things they ever checked on my > bikes was horn, signals (this bike never had any and > is allegedly exempt from that rule) and tire tread, > but I really do not want to make two trips to The Bad > Place! > > Thanks, cheers, > > Patti (I usually omit the Bike Listing but since the > stable is growing I figured, why not just this once) > > '72 BSA FireBird Scrambler (happy Birthday to me) > '69 BSA FireBird (wants some valve springs) > '70 Triumph Trophy (waiting to be put back together) > '95 Yamaha Virago (it ain't British but it sure is > easy to start) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 07:44:51 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:54:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Ugh, target fixation? http://www.bodsworld.com/crash.mpeg WTF? Those turns weren't very sharp. Did the guy just panic because he thought it was tighter than he could take at that speed? Nice fitting helmet, too. :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 07:51:30 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Carl Parker , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Was: speed cameras and mans' tomorrow...Now: Other questions Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:51:35 -0500 I have a question. How many people have gotten these photo tickets? I always stop for redlights, but I like to speed. Does the DC metro area employ radar speed cameras? Also right now my truck is registered in NY State. I got the truck in college and my father works for GM so he could get the good deal for a lease, so I let him lease it and I just pay the payments/ins. I have heard that the area law dogs don't take kindly to outside registered vehicles (I am licensed in MD), is this true and can I get a fine for it? It's registered to a real address in NYS and the lease is up in the fall and I just figured when I got a new vehicle I would register it here. I looked into registering it here and it's like 900 bux to make any changes to the lease, ect. So it would be cheaper to just pay off the lease and get a new car rather than move it. I am sure the ins company would have a problem with it, but I rarely drive, since I work from home and fly to my clients sites. Rob -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 07:52:46 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:51:44 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ugh, target fixation? Wayne Edelen wrote: > WTF? Those turns weren't very sharp. Did the guy just panic because he > thought it was tighter than he could take at that speed? Hmm... I tell my novice M/C students, you'll probably never outride the capability of your bike. Enter a turn to hot? Kep LOOKING thru the turn, PRESS more, lean that sucker over. 99% of the time, the bike can do it. And if not, a lowside is better than wadding the scoot and your fine body into a tree/jersey wall/etc... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 07:56:27 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Other questions (Was: speed cameras, etc.) On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Rob Sharp wrote: > I have a question. How many people have gotten these photo tickets? I > always stop for redlights, but I like to speed. Does the DC metro area > employ radar speed cameras? Well, DC has a few cruisers (four? five?) which park on the sides of the road and zing you as you fly past. I've gotten a speeding "fine" on DC-295/I-295 southbound, and back when I used to commute through DC I'd often see a cruiser there just south of Pennsylvania Avenue. Don't know about the rest of the metro area, sorry. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 07:58:22 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:08:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ugh, target fixation? On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > Hmm... I tell my novice M/C students, you'll probably never outride the > capability of your bike. Enter a turn to hot? Kep LOOKING thru the turn, > PRESS more, lean that sucker over. 99% of the time, the bike can do it. > And if not, a lowside is better than wadding the scoot and your fine body > into a tree/jersey wall/etc... I agree. The guy in the video was riding on wide open roads with gentle bends in them and just drove right off the edge of the road with the bike nearly upright. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 08:05:32 2003 From: "rich hall" To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dcpatti@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Inspection Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:05:25 -0400 Don't need turn signals in VA. >From: "William J. Huson" >To: patti rodgers >CC: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: DC Inspection >Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:30:39 -0400 > >I believe the fed requirement for turn signals was 1973. If you can >find that law, print it out and carry it to inspection. No idea about >mirrors, but headlight always on was 1981, also a federal law. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 08:13:11 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:12:36 -0400 From: Tom de To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ugh, target fixation? Wayne Edelen wrote: >http://www.bodsworld.com/crash.mpeg > >WTF? Those turns weren't very sharp. Did the guy just panic because he >thought it was tighter than he could take at that speed? > I agree, but I've seen other similar mpegs - it happens > >Nice fitting helmet, too. :-\ > IMO, this is scary part. Holly crap! Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 08:19:17 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Ugh, target fixation? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:19:13 -0400 I think he's a just pinhead with a strong right wrist. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:55 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ugh, target fixation? http://www.bodsworld.com/crash.mpeg WTF? Those turns weren't very sharp. Did the guy just panic because he thought it was tighter than he could take at that speed? Nice fitting helmet, too. :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 08:20:31 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: DC Inspection Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:20:29 -0400 And they don't use them in Maryland. -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:05 AM To: bhuson@XXXXXX; dcpatti@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Inspection Don't need turn signals in VA. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 08:40:54 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'William J. Huson'" , Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ugh, target fixation? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:40:43 -0400 True, I ride with a guy who has a old gpz and he can take that bike through some tight turns fast. He hangs with the liter bikes in the twisties. -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:52 AM To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ugh, target fixation? Wayne Edelen wrote: > WTF? Those turns weren't very sharp. Did the guy just panic because he > thought it was tighter than he could take at that speed? Hmm... I tell my novice M/C students, you'll probably never outride the capability of your bike. Enter a turn to hot? Kep LOOKING thru the turn, PRESS more, lean that sucker over. 99% of the time, the bike can do it. And if not, a lowside is better than wadding the scoot and your fine body into a tree/jersey wall/etc... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 09:15:51 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ugh, target fixation? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:15:43 -0400 Anyone else notice the guys helmet came off??? >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: Ugh, target fixation? >Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:54:48 -0400 (EDT) > >http://www.bodsworld.com/crash.mpeg _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 09:27:05 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:25:00 -0400 From: Skip To: rich hall , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ugh, target fixation? rich hall wrote: > > Anyone else notice the guys helmet came off??? yeah. saw that. also saw him whack his noggin on the pavement after his helmet popped off. ouch. --skip > > >From: Wayne Edelen > >To: > >Subject: Ugh, target fixation? > >Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:54:48 -0400 (EDT) > > > >http://www.bodsworld.com/crash.mpeg > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 09:53:46 2003 From: "Charlie Ozark" To: dcpatti@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Inspection Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:53:18 -0400 i got inspected in March. The longest part was waiting in line to get inspected (I got there right as it opened, 6:30 or something, and the line was wrapped around three sides of the block) - and I wasn't able to talk my way in when I first showed up - I tried that too. once you get to the front of the line, they don't even take the bikes into the garage, they just stand outside and check the basics: -current registration -hi/low headlight beams -both signals, front and back (mine are both smallish aftermarkets, and they passed) -brake light from both foot and hand -horn there was no noise testing, or even noise equipment that I saw - I was worried becuase my pipes (dual renegades) are fairly loud on the SV - though probably nothing compared to some cruisers. also, i passed with only the left side mirror (mine's a bar-end type) but they didn't mention what the minimums are. also no exhaust sniffer etc. oddly enough the guy checked my chain slack, in his ever-so-scientific way (by pushing down on it with his pen) and concluded it was barely within specs. as laughable as this was (does he know all bikes' slack specifications off the top of his head?) i told him it was within suzuki specs and would surely be tightening it as i rode this summer. that was it. the inspection took about 3 minutes. waiting in line took about an hour, waiting for the inspection sticker after i passed took about 15 minutes. >From: patti rodgers >To: DC Cycles >Subject: DC Inspection >Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:59:26 -0700 (PDT) > >So... just how hard is it to fail DC inspection for a >motorcycle? I need to run down there with my Birthday >Present To Myself and want to make it painless. > >How many mirrors do you need? I looked on their web >site and in the archives here but no numbers jump out. >And just how loud does the bike have to be before it >gets failed? The only things they ever checked on my >bikes was horn, signals (this bike never had any and >is allegedly exempt from that rule) and tire tread, >but I really do not want to make two trips to The Bad >Place! > >Thanks, cheers, > >Patti (I usually omit the Bike Listing but since the >stable is growing I figured, why not just this once) > >'72 BSA FireBird Scrambler (happy Birthday to me) >'69 BSA FireBird (wants some valve springs) >'70 Triumph Trophy (waiting to be put back together) >'95 Yamaha Virago (it ain't British but it sure is >easy to start) > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 10:27:32 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:27:30 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: speed camera In the link it says one application is "good for life". Does it recommend reapplying every 3 weeks somewhere else? INSTRUCTIONS 01. Remove plate. Place flat. 02. Spray Photo Blocker evenly until surface is totally saturated. Let dry and repeat 2-3 times until plate is very glossy. 03. Let dry for about 2 hours. Should be good for life! ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Glenn Dysart Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:14:41 -0700 (PDT) >This place has a test that was done by Fox 5. >http://www.phantomplate.com/ > >Seems the only stuff that works and would prevent you >from getting a ticket (as its undetectable) is the >spray. Bad news is that its ~ $30 for a can and it >has to be reapplied every three weeks. Not worth it >IMO. From what I understand if you get one of these >tickets in Virginia, you can show up to court and get >it thrown out pretty easily. > >Glenn > >--- Tom Gimer wrote: >> the problem with these things is that the penalty >> for using >> them is often significantly higher than the >> zero-point >> infractions handed out by speed cameras. > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 10:34:04 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "patti rodgers" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: DC Inspection Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:36:36 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "patti rodgers" > So... just how hard is it to fail DC inspection for a > motorcycle? I need to run down there with my Birthday > Present To Myself and want to make it painless. > > How many mirrors do you need? I looked on their web > site and in the archives here but no numbers jump out. > And just how loud does the bike have to be before it > gets failed? The only things they ever checked on my > bikes was horn, signals (this bike never had any and > is allegedly exempt from that rule) and tire tread, > but I really do not want to make two trips to The Bad > Place! > FWIW, the DC Code is now on-line, which may have equipment requirements. Get to it via the DC Council website. dccouncil.dc.gov Loud? Doubt if they care, unless they hear you riding up. The cursory inspections of my machines have been engine off. Lights and horn is about it. And they will verify the VIN and the odometer reading for a new title. Since you are asking bureaucrats to commit an un-natural act (do something out of the ordinary) you may want to come "armed" with facts, printouts of the various code sections, about the grandfathering of equipment requirements for vintage bikes, both at the DC and federal level. HTH, Paul From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 10:42:05 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Ugh, target fixation? To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" , "'William J. Huson'" , Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > True, I ride with a guy who has a old gpz and he can take > that bike through > some tight turns fast. He hangs with the liter bikes in > the twisties. ah, he can hang with the other pigs, but can he hang with the 250s and 600s? > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:52 AM > To: Wayne Edelen > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ugh, target fixation? > > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > WTF? Those turns weren't very sharp. Did the guy just > panic because he > > thought it was tighter than he could take at that > speed? > > Hmm... I tell my novice M/C students, you'll probably > never outride the > capability of your bike. Enter a turn to hot? Kep > LOOKING thru the turn, > PRESS more, lean that sucker over. 99% of the time, the > bike can do it. > And if not, a lowside is better than wadding the scoot > and your fine body > into a tree/jersey wall/etc... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 12:28:25 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ebay Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:28:13 -0400 After only 2 calls from my ad in the Post, the Seca II is going on Ebay. I know some of you have used it. Any tips? How much does Ebay get? There's 1 in DE now that is going for what I'd like. I'd like to not compete w/ that guy but post as soon as it's done for the people that were interested and lost that auction. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 12:52:25 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson Subject: Re: Ebay To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rich Ebay gets 1% of Reserve Price (if it sells at reserve). Make sure that you put in the ad the "seller reserves right to end auction at any time." There are misc. charges for additional photos and this and that, but it shouldn't run you more than 50.00(depending on your reserve price). I sold my 93 Gixxer on Ebay and got $50.00 more than I was asking. What I did was drafted up a very long, in depth description of the bike. I posted my ad with 4 pics of the bike and nit-picked everything on the bike. I did this b/c I figured that I wanted to be up front with someone and the more detail I had, the less questions would be asked. As far as posting a bike that's already up...well, how bad do you need to get rid of the bike? Do you know the person selling the other bike? If you need to sell the bike bad and do not know the other person(s)selling, I would post the bike up if I were you. If you know the others that are selling, then hold off. HTH, Nick --- rich hall wrote: > After only 2 calls from my ad in the Post, the Seca > II is going on Ebay. I > know some of you have used it. Any tips? How much > does Ebay get? > There's 1 in DE now that is going for what I'd like. > I'd like to not > compete w/ that guy but post as soon as it's done > for the people that were > interested and lost that auction. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 13:10:50 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Nick Thompson" , "rich hall" , Subject: Re: Ebay Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:12:53 -0400 I've not sold a bike on eBay, but buy'n'sell a lot of other stuff. I've bid on a couple, but not won the auctions. Nick has some good suggestions. My advice, forego the reserve price, but set a high starting bid. "No reserve" auctions have buyers thinking "bargain!" Put "No Reserve" in the title. That makes yours stand out. There's always the chance you'll have to let it go for less than you hoped, but to me that's a risk worth taking. Overwhelm the potential buyers with information and be up front about flaws and "issues" with the bike, maintenance history, crashes, etc. Pay for the extra photos. They're worth it. Be absolutely clear about who pays for shipping, crating, etc. Be clear about payment methods. With vehicles, there is also a question of escrow, if you will allow it, and who pays the fees, if used. I would allow it, but only if buyer pays all associated fees. Another thought -- I would not end an auction early, since your highest bid may come from people who use automated sniping services in the last seconds of an auction. Good luck! Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Thompson" To: "rich hall" ; Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Ebay > Rich Ebay gets 1% of Reserve Price (if it sells at > reserve). Make sure that you put in the ad the > "seller reserves right to end auction at any time." > There are misc. charges for additional photos and this > and that, but it shouldn't run you more than > 50.00(depending on your reserve price). I sold my 93 > Gixxer on Ebay and got $50.00 more than I was asking. > What I did was drafted up a very long, in depth > description of the bike. I posted my ad with 4 pics > of the bike and nit-picked everything on the bike. I > did this b/c I figured that I wanted to be up front > with someone and the more detail I had, the less > questions would be asked. > > As far as posting a bike that's already up...well, how > bad do you need to get rid of the bike? Do you know > the person selling the other bike? If you need to sell > the bike bad and do not know the other > person(s)selling, I would post the bike up if I were > you. If you know the others that are selling, then > hold off. > > > HTH, > > Nick > > > --- rich hall wrote: > > After only 2 calls from my ad in the Post, the Seca > > II is going on Ebay. I > > know some of you have used it. Any tips? How much > > does Ebay get? > > There's 1 in DE now that is going for what I'd like. > > I'd like to not > > compete w/ that guy but post as soon as it's done > > for the people that were > > interested and lost that auction. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 13:38:21 2003 From: To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ebay Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:38:11 -0400 I sold my 85 700 Magna that way. I got frustrated with the small number of calls locally and the costs of putting it in the paper and the local town rags. I had also posted in the dc/va/md.forsale newsgroups and didn't really get much of a response. So...I posted it on ebay. No kidding, within 30 minutes of it going up, I had over 200 hits and over 20 email messages asking about it. Some as far away as California. Within TWO hours, I had over 100 email messages and by the third hour it was sold to a guy in North Carolina at the "buy it now" price. He came up the next weekend and loaded the bike up on his Dodge Ram and drove off. Never even started it up. He said has been looking for that particular year/cc of Magna for a long time and practically gave up looking for one in good shape until he saw mine on ebay. He emailed me a while back and said he's but 50k on it since he bought it so I guess he's happy. I don't remember how much ebay charges, but it wasn't much (I think the total cost was around $20 with all the bells and whistles). I had a buy it now price of $1,500 and started the bid at $500. I just put a stipulation that the winner had to pick the bike up themselves. cheers, -aki > > From: "rich hall" > Date: 2003/06/19 Thu PM 12:28:13 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ebay > > After only 2 calls from my ad in the Post, the Seca II is going on Ebay. I > know some of you have used it. Any tips? How much does Ebay get? > There's 1 in DE now that is going for what I'd like. I'd like to not > compete w/ that guy but post as soon as it's done for the people that were > interested and lost that auction. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 14:51:10 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:51:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Ebay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I believe ebay now charges a flat fee for motorcycles of $25, whether it sells or not. The fee is $50 for cars. I sold an 84 magna this way to a local couple. They stopped and checked out the bike with only a couple of hours left on the auction. Since they couldn't get home in time to place a bid. I was nice enough to let them use my computer. Oh, and it went for $300 more than I had paid for it. Keith _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 19 18:30:47 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: 999 slip and fall http://www.exackley.com/movies/crash/niceduc.mpeg Oops :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 07:33:22 2003 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 04:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson Subject: Re: 999 slip and fall To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX HAHAHAHAHA!!!! If any of you get a chance to see The Italian Job, you'll notice a similarity between this mpeg and that movie... Nick --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > http://www.exackley.com/movies/crash/niceduc.mpeg > > Oops :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 09:16:06 2003 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:15:49 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: 'Stitch Still, their biggest suit is a 52 Tall (at least when I bought mine). They added the two inches per side to give me some more belly room, and that worked. The collar doesn't close tightly like my last Aerostich, and they said there was nothing they could do about it. Hope this one doesn't "shrink" like the last one did! :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Michael J." Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:05:48 -0400 >> Me neither. Too bady Andy >> Goldfine doesn't make suits >> in men's sizes. :( >> Hork > >Amen - they do alterations, but then it's a custom suit and is yours (non- returnable) > >Bummer > >Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 10:21:54 2003 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:21:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Truck for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX If anyone needs a cheap bike hauler I'm selling my truck for $5,000 obo. It's an 00 Ford Range Longbed with 44k miles. I'm able to load my VFR in the back with the tailgate up so it shouldn't have any problem hauling any other sportbikes. You can also haul cruisers with the tailgate down. The truck has been regularly maintained but has some cosmetic problems. Cloth seats, AC, Cruise Control, CD player, bed liner, fuel efficient 2.5Liter 4 cycl (ok so it's dog slow). later, Hugh __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 13:41:29 2003 From: "Euan Fisk" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:41:06 -0500 Subject: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] A friend got ticketed for NOT parallel parking her motorcycle. I was always told that bikes should be parked at a slight angle with the rear wheel to the curb. Is this against the law in DC? I've parked like this for years here and never received a ticket. Has anyone else got one of these and fought it? Any help would be appreciated. I tried searching DC legal code, but found nothing pertaining to motorcycle parking in specific. Thanks, _____________________ Euan euan@XXXXXX -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 13:47:53 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: WV Campgrounds? Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:50:42 -0400 North Bend State Park twixt Clarksburg and Parkersburg is nice. Not W(BG)V but an update on Tellico Plains, TN at the end of the Cherohala Skyway. The Cherokee campground on 360 has really gone downhill. While the $5 a night is a bah-gan, the bathhouse is in dire need of repair, and the deep gravel over the culvert dumped a few folks. The new (interim?) showers made of pressboard will likely dissolve before September. There is a new KOA at the 360 intersection but all tent spaces are in the open. A local posted: * - A sign in a large field was spotted not far from Tellico Plains: "Coming Soon! The Cherohala Motorcycle Campground"... We'll investigate and see what we can come up with on that. " Oh at Deal's Gap on Saturday, there were about a dozen TN cops helping Blount County meet their budget needs. Flying jeeps, trucks, and cruisers were ignored. Sport bikes (& standards) following those were targeted. Minimum speeding fine is $205; passing on the double yellow only $30. Sunday there were only three cops; Friday there were none. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 15:05:48 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Euan Fisk'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:05:54 -0400 Perhaps the author of this page knows from where the content originated... http://www.dccycles.com/dcparking.htm Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Euan Fisk [SMTP:euan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:41 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] > > A friend got ticketed for NOT parallel parking her motorcycle. I was > always told > that bikes should be parked at a slight angle with the rear wheel to the > curb. Is > this against the law in DC? I've parked like this for years here and > never received > a ticket. Has anyone else got one of these and fought it? Any help would > be > appreciated. I tried searching DC legal code, but found nothing > pertaining to > motorcycle parking in specific. Thanks, > _____________________ > Euan > euan@XXXXXX > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search > http://corp.mail.com/careers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 15:20:59 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "Euan Fisk" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:20:51 -0400 Good luck. I got one of these tickets last year. I appealed by mail, and never heard anything back. Tickets in DC are all about money, not law, justice, or anything remotely related to fairness. I'd suggest appealing it, then changing your license plate. > > From: "Euan Fisk" > Date: 2003/06/20 Fri PM 01:41:06 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] > > A friend got ticketed for NOT parallel parking her motorcycle. I was always told > that bikes should be parked at a slight angle with the rear wheel to the curb. Is > this against the law in DC? I've parked like this for years here and never received > a ticket. Has anyone else got one of these and fought it? Any help would be > appreciated. I tried searching DC legal code, but found nothing pertaining to > motorcycle parking in specific. Thanks, > _____________________ > Euan > euan@XXXXXX > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search > http://corp.mail.com/careers > > Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 15:26:34 2003 Subject: RE: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:26:25 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: ... And keep your bike covered. I park illegally all the time, and I have yet to recieve a ticket. -Witold > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Meyer [mailto:rmeyer9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:21 PM > To: Euan Fisk; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] > > > Good luck. I got one of these tickets last year. I appealed > by mail, and never heard anything back. Tickets in DC are > all about money, not law, justice, or anything remotely > related to fairness. > > I'd suggest appealing it, then changing your license plate. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 18:14:51 2003 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:14:46 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "'Euan Fisk'" , , Michael Lynch Subject: RE: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] I got the first version of that that the list had; faxed to me by the DC parking patrol. I called the number in the phone book for DC parking enforcement. Glad to see Carl's updated it; it might even need more! Yes, it's not sensible to park the mc parallel to the curb, but that's DC laws for you. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michael Lynch Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:05:54 -0400 >Perhaps the author of this page knows from where the content originated... > >http://www.dccycles.com/dcparking.htm > >Mike >96 VFR >88 Hawk >76 CB400F > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Euan Fisk [SMTP:euan@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:41 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] >> >> A friend got ticketed for NOT parallel parking her motorcycle. I was >> always told >> that bikes should be parked at a slight angle with the rear wheel to the >> curb. Is >> this against the law in DC? I've parked like this for years here and >> never received >> a ticket. Has anyone else got one of these and fought it? Any help would >> be >> appreciated. I tried searching DC legal code, but found nothing >> pertaining to >> motorcycle parking in specific. Thanks, >> _____________________ >> Euan >> euan@XXXXXX >> -- >> __________________________________________________________ >> Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com >> http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >> >> CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search >> http://corp.mail.com/careers > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 20:49:52 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: What's that horrible sucking sound? Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:47:40 -0400 Turned out to be the leather gear soaking up Kiwi Shoe Grease. Normally every couple of years for me, this time 3 mos since last. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Next for outlawing: splashing cars Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 21:39:37 2003 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:38:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: What's that horrible sucking sound? Next on my shopping list, a Vanson perf leather jacket. The cheesy made in China one I have is coming apart after about four years of service. Yep, it's been wet many times. I reckon treating Chinese laether once a year isn't enough. I have a 20 year old Vanson that... er, shrunk, and it seemed to survive with no TLC at all. Bill Mobacc wrote: > Turned out to be the leather gear soaking up Kiwi Shoe Grease. Normally > every couple of years for me, this time 3 mos since last. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > Next for outlawing: splashing cars > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 22:28:14 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Honda Hawk GT Rally Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:28:21 -0500 This Sunday 3pm White Flint mall off rockville pike (MD 355) Mostly Honda Hawk GT sport bikes. If you can keep up with sport bike your welcome to come. I have never riden a cruiser and maybe it's not a big difference but if it is you know ahead of time. I probaly got 3-7 guys already signed up. rob Rob -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 22:41:45 2003 X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 1, 0 From: "Kirk Roy" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT Rally Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:41:41 -0400 Rob Sharp wrote: > This Sunday 3pm White Flint mall off rockville pike (MD 355) > Mostly Honda Hawk GT sport bikes. If you can keep up with sport bike your > welcome to come. I have never riden a cruiser and maybe it's not a big > difference but if it is you know ahead of time. I probaly got 3-7 guys > already signed up. Er, sorry but it's impossible to start a hawk gt rally from white flint unless you're going to be doing a really, REALLY long day... Not that I'm against that. FWIW, I used to run the hawk rallies in the blue ridge mountains. Much better than starting at white flint. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 22:42:05 2003 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:51:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Wear your gear! http://www.cmyoung.com/bikewreck.html Ouch. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 20 23:35:25 2003 From: "Laura Roach" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Subject: Re: Wear your gear! Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:56:42 -0400 > http://www.cmyoung.com/bikewreck.html > Can you say dumb-ass? "I was travelling at over 100mph"...in shorts and t-shirt nonetheless...Urks me to death! LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 21 09:08:25 2003 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ABATE: Help Send a Motorcyclist to the Maryland Legislature Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:22:48 -0400 FYI ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: ABATE: Help Send a Motorcyclist to the Maryland Legislature > The following message was written by Bruce Robinson who is seeking > the nomination to the House of Delegates to replace Delegate Alfred Redmer > who accepted an appointment to the Maryland Insurance Commission. > > Please visit the www.BruceRobinson.com web site and consider endorsement > of Bruce's candidacy and exercise your right to voice your support for a > candidate who will represent you, as a motorcyclist, in Annapolis. > > Details for sending letters, faxes, e-mails and phone calls are outlined in > the > website as well as information on an upcoming opportunity for your input > at a public forum on the June 26, 2003. > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Appointment to the Maryland House of Delegates, District 8 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Fellow Motorcyclist: > > You have an opportunity to send one of your own to Annapolis, to ensure > that there is one more set of ears to listen to your concerns, one more > voice to help make you heard. > > On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, Maryland Delegate Alfred Redmer accepted an > appointment from Governor Bob Ehrlich to the position of Maryland Insurance > Commissioner. This appointment precludes Delegate Redmer from retaining his > seat in the House of Delegates. Upon his resignation, the Baltimore County > Republican Central Committee has up to thirty days to name his replacement. > I would like to receive that replacement appointment. > > I have been an avid motorcyclist for over twenty years, teaching riding for > much of that time, first with the Motorcycle Safety Foundation, and later > with the Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program. A Blue Knight for ten years, I > am an active Life Member of the American Motorcyclist Association, and have > completed the Trip To Washington and Eagles programs. I am also the AMA > Baltimore Community Council chairman, and advocate for freedom. > > I need your help to convince the Central Committee to appoint someone who > shares your concerns as a motorcyclist to fill this vacancy. To make this > easy for you, I have established a website, http://www.brucerobinson.com/, > that provides information and the opportunity for you to endorse my > candidacy and make a contribution, if you are so inclined. I will take the > endorsements and contributions to the Central Committee as a demonstration > of my ability to generate support from the community. > > If we are to work together to make a difference for motorcyclists, we must > act quickly! Visit the website. Fill in the endorsement. Pledge and send a > contribution. Or, feel free to call or write with comments or questions. > But, don't wait until later or you will have lost this opportunity! > > There is one more thing you can do to help. > > Please pass this information on to your motorcycling friends and anyone > else you know who loves freedom. Ask them to visit www.BruceRobinson.com and > endorse my candidacy. Encourage them to make a contribution, too. > > Remember, time is of the essence. We have to act quickly if we are going to > make a difference for motorcyclists in Annapolis. > > Ride Safe, > > > Bruce L. Robinson > > Friends of Bruce L. Robinson > 215 Leslie Avenue > Baltimore, Maryland 21236 > E-mail - ROBINSON@XXXXXX > (410) 668-6849 > www.BruceRobinson.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 21 09:28:29 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Wear your gear! Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:28:06 -0400 Laura, I think Chris learned his lesson. We all have brain farts now and then. This one really cost him. I've known Chris through his TL site for years. If nothing else he has certainly made an impression on some squids..not to mention the asphalt! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Laura Roach [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:57 PM To: Wayne Edelen; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wear your gear! > http://www.cmyoung.com/bikewreck.html > Can you say dumb-ass? "I was travelling at over 100mph"...in shorts and t-shirt nonetheless...Urks me to death! LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 21 10:42:03 2003 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Ride Sunday? Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:41:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [141.156.187.145] at Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:41:51 -0500 Anyone up for a ride on the Virginia side Sunday? Rob Curtis Senior Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ "To be persuasive, we must be believable. To be believable, we must be credible. To be credible, we must be truthful." Edward R. Murrow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 21 11:18:46 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: 'Stitch Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:16:18 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" . . .. The collar doesn't close tightly like my last Aerostich, and they said there was nothing they could do about it. >>>My most helpful minor mod to my 'Stich is an additional 6 inches of Velcro "hook" strip glued/sewn to the original tab -- compensates for laka-aim when suited up (though there is a sometimes ratatat at speed). For slackness, Velcro "felt" attached around the neck might take care of it. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Hooked on Velcro Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 21 11:23:48 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Kirk Roy" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT Ride Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:23:55 -0500 We are meeting at white flint mall and heading out from there. I don't think it's gonna be anything mind blowing just meeting some of the other hawk owners in the area and going for a couple hour ride. There is some talk of organizing an actual rally in the future but thats a ways off. If we started in West Virginia it wouldn't be a DC hawk ride now would it :) It would be a WVa hawk ride :-p Rob On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:41:41 -0400, Kirk Roy wrote > Rob Sharp wrote: > > This Sunday 3pm White Flint mall off rockville pike (MD 355) > > Mostly Honda Hawk GT sport bikes. If you can keep up with sport bike your > > welcome to come. I have never riden a cruiser and maybe it's not a big > > difference but if it is you know ahead of time. I probaly got 3-7 guys > > already signed up. > > Er, sorry but it's impossible to start a hawk gt rally from white > flint unless you're going to be doing a really, REALLY long day... > Not that I'm against that. > > FWIW, I used to run the hawk rallies in the blue ridge mountains. > Much better than starting at white flint. > > Kirk -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 21 11:57:20 2003 From: "Laura Roach" To: "Gary Foreman" , Subject: Re: Wear your gear! Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:18:27 -0400 > Laura, I think Chris learned his lesson. We all have brain farts now > and then. This one really cost him. I've known Chris through his TL > site for years. If nothing else he has certainly made an impression on > some squids..not to mention the asphalt! Gary: I definitely agree he learned his lesson...he did admit to his irresponsibility...it's just people like that (no offense, since you know him) that give all of us who ride on the street a bad name. If people have an issue with wanting to go fast (which I fully admit that's why I sold my GS) they should take it to the track. I'm very sorry that was the time he didn't choose to wear his leathers...I always hate to see people go down and get injured. I truly hope he fully recovers. LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 21 13:45:10 2003 From: "Euan Fisk" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MLynch@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:44:56 -0500 Subject: RE: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] Yeah the parking enforcement gal apparently ran down those rules to my friend, then told her it only applies to designated motorcycle parking spaces, but when parking in regular car spaces you have to park like a car, even if it means your bike isn't stable because of the heavily crowned road. Just plain stupid. I'm starting to like the idea of just parking on the sidewalk and either locking a cover in place or using quick-release clevis pins to remove my license plate...guess they could just track my vin number though... -Euan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:14:46 -0400 To: "''Euan Fisk''" , , Michael Lynch Subject: RE: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] > I got the first version of that that the list had; faxed to me by the DC parking patrol. I called the number in the phone book for DC parking enforcement. Glad to see Carl's updated it; it might even need more! > > Yes, it's not sensible to park the mc parallel to the curb, but that's DC laws for you. > > Chris Norloff > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Michael Lynch > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:05:54 -0400 > > >Perhaps the author of this page knows from where the content originated... > > > >http://www.dccycles.com/dcparking.htm > > > >Mike > >96 VFR > >88 Hawk > >76 CB400F -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 15:57:15 2003 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:55:38 -0400 From: Randy Moran Subject: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? To: DC Cycles Busted with two other guys for 67 in 55. Cop wouldn't have bugged us I think except that the two other guys had their license plates all tucked up under the tail (mine was fine--the stock RC51 setup). Anyway, I had my license w/ me but not my registration (forgot my wallet). I told the cop as I handed him my license--he didn't seem too put out by it, just mumbled something about getting the info off the computer or some shit. The State Trooper then filled out my ticket with one of the other guys' bike info, i.e., my bike is an '03 Honda, but he filled in '01 Suzuki and the wrong tag number, etc. Does that get me anything in court? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 16:23:21 2003 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:25:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? Yep, you are hooked up. Just go to court, point out the mistakes, and you're off! Any mistake on a ticket is an instant off, like them spelling your name wrong, putting the wrong location for where you were pulled over, wrong tag #. It all raises doubt on what actually happened. You should check with your buddy, see if his is wrong, too. Larry At 03:55 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Busted with two other guys for 67 in 55. Cop wouldn't have bugged us I >think except that the two other guys had their license plates all tucked >up under the tail (mine was fine--the stock RC51 setup). >Anyway, I had my license w/ me but not my registration (forgot my wallet). >I told the cop as I handed him my license--he didn't seem too put out by >it, just mumbled something about getting the info off the computer or some >shit. The State Trooper then filled out my ticket with one of the other >guys' bike info, i.e., my bike is an '03 Honda, but he filled in '01 >Suzuki and the wrong tag number, etc. Does that get me anything in >court? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 17:45:26 2003 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:22:04 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Randy Moran CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? Like Larry said, you got a free pass! Many moons ago I recieved a past due parking ticket from the city of Chicago! It was issued on my Dodge Dakota tag number. Since I often loan my truck out I agonized over who had it then and if they'd been to Chicago - no connection. Then I examined the ticket ??? A Honda??? HA! I called the up and tickee was canceled. You may not even have to appear in court, call in play dumb. "Yo, like this isn't my bike on the ticket!" Bill Randy Moran wrote: > Busted with two other guys for 67 in 55. Cop wouldn't have bugged us I > think except that the two other guys had their license plates all > tucked up under the tail (mine was fine--the stock RC51 setup). > Anyway, I had my license w/ me but not my registration (forgot my > wallet). I told the cop as I handed him my license--he didn't seem too > put out by it, just mumbled something about getting the info off the > computer or some shit. The State Trooper then filled out my ticket with > one of the other guys' bike info, i.e., my bike is an '03 Honda, but he > filled in '01 Suzuki and the wrong tag number, etc. Does that get me > anything in court? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 19:58:04 2003 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:55:54 -0400 From: Randy Moran Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, I had him check as soon as we got clear of the Trooper. No luck--his is all correct. RPM On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 04:25 PM, Larry wrote: > Yep, you are hooked up. Just go to court, point out the > mistakes, and you're off! Any mistake on a ticket is an instant off, > like them spelling your name wrong, putting the wrong location for > where you were pulled over, wrong tag #. It all raises doubt on what > actually happened. You should check with your buddy, see if his is > wrong, too. > Larry > > At 03:55 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: >> Busted with two other guys for 67 in 55. Cop wouldn't have bugged us >> I think except that the two other guys had their license plates all >> tucked up under the tail (mine was fine--the stock RC51 setup). >> Anyway, I had my license w/ me but not my registration (forgot my >> wallet). I told the cop as I handed him my license--he didn't seem >> too put out by it, just mumbled something about getting the info off >> the computer or some shit. The State Trooper then filled out my >> ticket with one of the other guys' bike info, i.e., my bike is an '03 >> Honda, but he filled in '01 Suzuki and the wrong tag number, etc. >> Does that get me anything in court? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 20:03:53 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:03:29 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791cac6bad574fb13545d692a3f4be0721350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Yep, you are hooked up. Just go to court, point out the mistakes, > and you're off! Any mistake on a ticket is an instant off, like them > spelling your name wrong, putting the wrong location for where you were > pulled over, wrong tag #. It all raises doubt on what actually happened. > You should check with your buddy, see if his is wrong, too. > Larry [Dave] Well, it's not *that* simple. Especially not in Fairfax. You don't just stand up & say 'hey, dude, you, in the black robe, like, the dude with the funny hat like, wrote down the wrong bike...' You do certainly have an avenue to get out of the speeding ticket though... Basically, you have to prove you were on a different vehicle to get the judge to believe your testimony over the cops... If you have more than one bike registered, and the cop picked the wrong one, chances are he's going to try to sustain the ticket, or get you convicted of not carrying your registration. There's a proper way to object to this type of "special" treatment to prevent it from happening. If you in fact have an '01 Suzuki, they're going to try to make you admit your presence at the stop, and guilt of the crime. Remember, you don't have to testify and everything you say, will in fact be used against you. Bottom line - I'd check out NMA www.motorists.org or talk to a traffic lawyer to see if it's within your realm to be able to handle this in court on your own ( only you know your tolerance for legal matters, not trying to flame you )... Good luck. Dave > > At 03:55 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Busted with two other guys for 67 in 55. Cop wouldn't have bugged us I > >think except that the two other guys had their license plates all tucked > >up under the tail (mine was fine--the stock RC51 setup). > >Anyway, I had my license w/ me but not my registration (forgot my wallet). > >I told the cop as I handed him my license--he didn't seem too put out by > >it, just mumbled something about getting the info off the computer or some > >shit. The State Trooper then filled out my ticket with one of the other > >guys' bike info, i.e., my bike is an '03 Honda, but he filled in '01 > >Suzuki and the wrong tag number, etc. Does that get me anything in > >court? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 22:06:07 2003 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:04:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? To: Randy Moran Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Randy Moran wrote: > > Yeah, I had him check as soon as we got clear of the Trooper. No > luck--his is all correct. Maybe that was the cop's way of punishing the squidboy plate-hiders and letting you go for being a fine upstanding citizen. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 22 22:23:57 2003 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:22:21 -0400 From: Randy Moran Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, what happened was that the cop wrote down the info for my buddy's bike (year, make, tag #) on my ticket. He wrote my buddy a ticket for speeding on the same bike, i.e., the correct info was on my buddies ticket. I DO have a Suzuki registered, however it is of a different vintage and tag # than shows up on the ticket. I see your point about the Judge and what he might say. I'm just trying to figure out a way to get out of it. he didn't write me a ticket for not carrying my registration, and I'm certainly not going to admit to that in court, so where would that leave me in the whole "getting off of the ticket" scheme of things, do you think? RPM On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 08:03 PM, Dave Yates wrote: > >> Yep, you are hooked up. Just go to court, point out the >> mistakes, >> and you're off! Any mistake on a ticket is an instant off, like them >> spelling your name wrong, putting the wrong location for where you >> were >> pulled over, wrong tag #. It all raises doubt on what actually >> happened. >> You should check with your buddy, see if his is wrong, too. >> Larry > > [Dave] Well, it's not *that* simple. Especially not in Fairfax. You > don't > just stand up & say > 'hey, dude, you, in the black robe, like, the dude with the funny hat > like, > wrote down the wrong bike...' > > You do certainly have an avenue to get out of the speeding ticket > though... > Basically, you have to prove > you were on a different vehicle to get the judge to believe your > testimony > over the cops... If you have more than one > bike registered, and the cop picked the wrong one, chances are he's > going to > try to sustain the ticket, or get you > convicted of not carrying your registration. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 00:22:02 2003 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:23:44 -0400 Subject: Re: RE: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? [got ticketed] To: "Euan Fisk" Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MLynch@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Fwiw, I appealed a similar ticket last winter---appeal denied (despite my Suzuki being misidentified as Harley-Davidson). No reason given, of course. I appealed this decision and have not heard back. --garcia "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation...We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland." - Adolph Hitler, writing about creation of the Gestapo in Nazi Germany. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 00:32:41 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Fast Lane Cycles HP Shootout Photos Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:32:30 -0400 http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/030622 Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 09:19:23 2003 Subject: Frame Stuff (commentary) From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 23 Jun 2003 09:14:50 -0400 Hey all, Lovely day out, eh? I took my Casey Tallon frame over to Kevin yesterday. He's a local welder that Leon recommended (thanks Leon). From a technique standpoint, it's not in bad shape. For a couple hundred, he can finish the work Casey started. Basically Casey didn't fully penetrate in some important areas, specifically on the lower side of the head and down tube welds. This is where there will be the most stress. I had intended on dropping it off so he could work it with Leon's stuff but we then found the second and far worse problem. The down tubes have about 8" of tube welded to the ends of the down tubes so they would meet the head in the right place. There are two problems here. 1. I ordered a frame, not a cut and/or extension of an existing frame. A complete frame. I'm annoyed here. 2. Because of a bow in the left down tube Kevin thinks Casey didn't use a structural inner liner tube for support. Since the welds on the two extensions didn't penetrate, that leaves two weak points on the down tubes. I've sent an e-mail to Casey asking for a response and in particular whether he used an inner liner. Most likely I'll have to pony up the extra funds to: 1. Finish the welding properly. 2. Cut, insert a liner and reweld the two down tubes. I could send the frame back to Casey for corrections but I really don't want to wait until December to get the frame back :-/ Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 11:29:25 2003 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:29:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? To: Larry , dc-cycles@XXXXXX ? where did you come up with this crazy idea? first, i suggest you research virginia law on clerical/administrative errors in this context. my bet ($20) is that there is NO requirement that this citation be thrown out simply because the form was filled out incorrectly. next, consider what mr. moran says when confronted with the police officer's version of the events. if he makes ANY admission (after all, he is going to SPEAK isn't he?) the court may convict him of one of a number of different offenses. --- Larry wrote: > Yep, you are hooked up. Just go to court, point > out the mistakes, > and you're off! Any mistake on a ticket is an instant > off, like them > spelling your name wrong, putting the wrong location for > where you were > pulled over, wrong tag #. It all raises doubt on what > actually happened. > You should check with your buddy, see if his is wrong, > too. > Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 11:45:15 2003 From: "David Cross" To: Subject: Voltage Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:38:30 -0400 What are the proper voltage numbers/ranges for a motorcyle's electrical system? I was told once that when a bike is at a cruising RPM it should be slightly above 14volts, at idle it should be 12.8 to 13 volts. My VFR shows the following: 12.50-12.90 at Idle 13.60-13.80 at (~5k RPM) I am not very knowlegdeable regarding electrical stuff and I have had some issues with this bike in the past. Are my numbers in line? I don't know what type of tolerance is allowed for this stuff or if my low numbers are an indication of a problem or weak electrical system. Thanks much. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 11:50:13 2003 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:50:03 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Voltage Head over to the VFR Garage and foloow some of the many links to the VFR Reg/Rec (RR) issue. The bottom line : every 20k miles or so, install a new RR for $100 and save yourself a lot of headaches. http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/index.shtml Flame on. At 11:38 AM 6/23/2003, David Cross wrote: >What are the proper voltage numbers/ranges for a motorcyle's electrical >system? I was told once that when a bike is at a cruising RPM it should be >slightly above 14volts, at idle it should be 12.8 to 13 volts. > >My VFR shows the following: > >12.50-12.90 at Idle >13.60-13.80 at (~5k RPM) > >I am not very knowlegdeable regarding electrical stuff and I have had some >issues with this bike in the past. Are my numbers in line? I don't know what >type of tolerance is allowed for this stuff or if my low numbers are an >indication of a problem or weak electrical system. > >Thanks much. > >Dave ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 12:00:15 2003 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:59:40 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gimer asks: >? where did you come up with this crazy idea? > >first, i suggest you research virginia law on >clerical/administrative errors in this context. my bet >($20) is that there is NO requirement that this citation be >thrown out simply because the form was filled out >incorrectly. [Dave] I'd be surprised if *ANY* state has a LAW which says citations must be thrown out for technical errors. That would cost the state quite a bit of money. They may have court rules, or case precedent though. > next, consider what mr. moran says when >confronted with the police officer's version of the events. > if he makes ANY admission (after all, he is going to SPEAK >isn't he?) the court may convict him of one of a number of >different offenses. [Dave] There is a difference between speaking and TESTIFYING. Questioning the State's chief (and only) witness, does not amount to testifying so long as the person asking the questions doesn't actually make any pronouncements... like "Officer Fife, while I was speeding without my registration, did you notice anything else I was doing wrong?" ... About the only way to make this stick is to get the trooper to describe the offending vehicle 'from his recollection' and contrast it with the information on the citation. If they 'rest' with conflicting information (unlikely all things being equal), the defense *should* be able to rest with no testimony & be acquitted... should being the operative word. I know I couldn't handle this on my own in court, and I'd get a lawyer.... Dave > > >--- Larry wrote: >> Yep, you are hooked up. Just go to court, point >> out the mistakes, >> and you're off! Any mistake on a ticket is an instant >> off, like them >> spelling your name wrong, putting the wrong location for >> where you were >> pulled over, wrong tag #. It all raises doubt on what >> actually happened. >> You should check with your buddy, see if his is wrong, >> too. >> Larry > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 12:23:27 2003 From: "David Cross" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Voltage Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:16:51 -0400 Thanks, but those are the readings after installing an OEM R/R. I'm just trying to get a little info on what the numbers should be. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Voltage > Head over to the VFR Garage and foloow some of the many links to the VFR > Reg/Rec (RR) issue. The bottom line : every 20k miles or so, install a new > RR for $100 and save yourself a lot of headaches. > > http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/index.shtml > > Flame on. > > At 11:38 AM 6/23/2003, David Cross wrote: > >What are the proper voltage numbers/ranges for a motorcyle's electrical > >system? I was told once that when a bike is at a cruising RPM it should be > >slightly above 14volts, at idle it should be 12.8 to 13 volts. > > > >My VFR shows the following: > > > >12.50-12.90 at Idle > >13.60-13.80 at (~5k RPM) > > > >I am not very knowlegdeable regarding electrical stuff and I have had some > >issues with this bike in the past. Are my numbers in line? I don't know what > >type of tolerance is allowed for this stuff or if my low numbers are an > >indication of a problem or weak electrical system. > > > >Thanks much. > > > >Dave > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 12:33:19 2003 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:33:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Voltage At 12:16 PM 6/23/2003, you wrote: >Thanks, but those are the readings after installing an OEM R/R. I'm just >trying to get a little info on what the numbers should be. The numbers will vary from bike to bike and year to year. My '97 doesn't put out the same voltage as a 2003 under idle or stress. Good luck! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 12:34:35 2003 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Dave Yates wrote: > Gimer asks: > > >? where did you come up with this crazy idea? > > > >first, i suggest you research virginia law on > >clerical/administrative errors in this context. my bet > >($20) is that there is NO requirement that this citation > be > >thrown out simply because the form was filled out > >incorrectly. > > [Dave] I'd be surprised if *ANY* state has a LAW which > says > citations must be thrown out for technical errors. That > would cost the state quite a bit of money. They may have > > court rules, or case precedent though. > > > > next, consider what mr. moran says when > >confronted with the police officer's version of the > events. > > if he makes ANY admission (after all, he is going to > SPEAK > >isn't he?) the court may convict him of one of a number > of > >different offenses. > > [Dave] There is a difference between speaking and > TESTIFYING. Questioning the State's chief (and only) > witness, does not amount to testifying so long as the > person > asking the questions doesn't actually make any > pronouncements... like "Officer Fife, while I was > speeding > without my registration, did you notice anything else I > was > doing wrong?" ... there is NO difference between speaking and testifying to the extent (as i pointed out) randy makes ANY admissions. if he ain't going with a lawyer, he'll likely be making admissions. don't forget also that in these informal district court trials, the judge often asks questions of the defendant/attorney. yes, even more opportunities to blow it. > About the only way to make this stick is to get the > trooper > to describe the offending vehicle 'from his recollection' > and > contrast it with the information on the citation. If > they 'rest' with conflicting information (unlikely all > things > being equal), the defense *should* be able to rest with > no > testimony & be acquitted... should being the operative > word. I know I couldn't handle this on my own in court, > and > I'd get a lawyer.... if randy can stomach ~$1000 to avoid a ~$100 fine and possible insurance hike, this is definitely the way to go. keep us posted, randy -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 12:46:27 2003 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:46:23 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >there is NO difference between speaking and testifying to >the extent (as i pointed out) randy makes ANY admissions. >if he ain't going with a lawyer, he'll likely be making >admissions. don't forget also that in these informal >district court trials, the judge often asks questions of >the defendant/attorney. yes, even more opportunities to >blow it. [Dave] We're either in agreement, or disagreeing over nothing... He just has to choose his questions very carefully. >if randy can stomach ~$1000 to avoid a ~$100 fine and >possible insurance hike, this is definitely the way to go. > [Dave] It is not that bad, and not that good, respectively. Traffic lawyers can be had for ~ $3-500... If it were only the $100 fine, it wouldn't be such PITA; the penalties are multi-faceted. There's: 1-The initial monetary outlay : face value of the ticket. 2-Added insurance surcharges for the next 3-5 years. 3-loss of the 'clean record' so when you ask the cop for a warning, (s)he's less inclined to cut you some slack... If you pay without contesting, you have zero chance of winning. My wife's little unauthorized HOV jaunt cost us our safe driver discount this year, and will amount to about $300 over the next 3 years assuming neither of us misbehaves and gets convicted during that time... But who's counting ;-) ? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 12:51:46 2003 From: "David Cross" To: Subject: Re: Voltage Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:45:10 -0400 Thanks. Having a 94-97 VFR and having once subscribed to the VFR list I'm sure you know my paranoia regarding electircal issues. I installed the new R/R as well as a Volt meter and now I find myself fixated on the meter. I guess I just want to know when I should start getting concerned. Before, I got concerned when my bike would just quit on me while riding down the highway. Now I am hoping to get a little more of a heads up. Dave > > The numbers will vary from bike to bike and year to year. My '97 doesn't > put out the same voltage as a 2003 under idle or stress. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 13:13:11 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "David Cross" , Subject: Re: Voltage Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:14:46 -0400 Sounds pretty normal to me, maybe a little low @5K. I run a voltmeter all the time and my bike's around 14.4V when you get on the throttle, unless the battery is a bit discharged. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cross" To: Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:38 AM Subject: Voltage > What are the proper voltage numbers/ranges for a motorcyle's electrical > system? I was told once that when a bike is at a cruising RPM it should be > slightly above 14volts, at idle it should be 12.8 to 13 volts. > > My VFR shows the following: > > 12.50-12.90 at Idle > 13.60-13.80 at (~5k RPM) > > I am not very knowlegdeable regarding electrical stuff and I have had some > issues with this bike in the past. Are my numbers in line? I don't know what > type of tolerance is allowed for this stuff or if my low numbers are an > indication of a problem or weak electrical system. > > Thanks much. > > Dave > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 13:19:46 2003 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Voltage Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:19:38 -0400 I'd agree....and make sure your battery is not too old. I believe that is what fried my R/R. Tried to get four full years out of the stock one, and came up just short. Should have replaced it after 3, IMHO. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "David Cross" , Subject: Re: Voltage Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:14:46 -0400 Sounds pretty normal to me, maybe a little low @5K. I run a voltmeter all the time and my bike's around 14.4V when you get on the throttle, unless the battery is a bit discharged. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cross" To: Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:38 AM Subject: Voltage > What are the proper voltage numbers/ranges for a motorcyle's electrical > system? I was told once that when a bike is at a cruising RPM it should be > slightly above 14volts, at idle it should be 12.8 to 13 volts. > > My VFR shows the following: > > 12.50-12.90 at Idle > 13.60-13.80 at (~5k RPM) > > I am not very knowlegdeable regarding electrical stuff and I have had some > issues with this bike in the past. Are my numbers in line? I don't know what > type of tolerance is allowed for this stuff or if my low numbers are an > indication of a problem or weak electrical system. > > Thanks much. > > Dave > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 23 20:04:49 2003 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:59:14 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Got a Ticket - Any free Legal Advice? God Damn! Ya know every time I hear that someone has to go through this complicated mess for what basically ends up being revenue scrounging it kinda cheezez me off. It's not like this is an isolated phenomenon either...it's happening all over the USA. Inc. I'm sorry anyone would have to put up with ALL this crap for something so minor. Oh and while I'm ranting....lee-go-lize it. ;) Carlo ------------------ "If you don't like this country then get the hell out." "Sounds good to me." ------------------ DY sed: >If you pay without contesting, you have zero chance of >winning. My wife's little unauthorized HOV jaunt cost us our >safe driver discount this year, and will amount to about $300 >over the next 3 years assuming neither of us misbehaves and >gets convicted during that time... But who's counting ;-) ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 00:58:53 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:53:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Voltage To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Troutman wrote: > > Head over to the VFR Garage and foloow some of the many links to the VFR > Reg/Rec (RR) issue. The bottom line : every 20k miles or so, install a new > RR for $100 and save yourself a lot of headaches. Wow, how nice of Big Honda to make that schedule coincide with chain and sprocket replacement. I love my Connies more and more every day. Any problems I've had with them have been self-induced. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 01:32:17 2003 To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: free legal advice FROM: "Michael J." Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:29:56 -0400 Get a lawyer. You will, most likely, be screwed if you walk in there naked. The other side WILL have one. If the co$t of the lawyer exceeds the fine and points, then it's moot unless you have a very bad record. My $.02 Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 01:39:26 2003 To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Speed 'n strange FROM: "Michael J." Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:37:06 -0400 We (Sean, Thomas & meself) hit the Autostrada briefly the other day to get to Verona to visit Gil. 'Twas a strange experience to be chucking along at a velocity that would cause any American cop to shred your license on the spot and being among the slower traffic at the same time. We were maintaining about 140-150 KPH and 90% of the traffic was blowing by us - almost all German cars - interesting, that. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 06:13:39 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:13:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wilson To: Dale Horstman , Troutman Subject: Re: Re: Voltage Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hmmm, I'm not sure prophylactic replacement of the rectified/regulator every 20 k miles is necessary, especially since the new unit appears to dissipate heat better. My original one, the old style "hockey puck" R/R lasted until 38k miles, longer than the chain. ;-] Paul in DC 95 VFR -------Original Message------- From: Dale Horstman > > Troutman wrote: > > Head over to the VFR Garage and foloow some of the many links to the VFR > Reg/Rec (RR) issue. The bottom line : every 20k miles or so, install a new > RR for $100 and save yourself a lot of headaches. Wow, how nice of Big Honda to make that schedule coincide with chain and sprocket replacement. I love my Connies more and more every day. Any problems I've had with them have been self-induced. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 07:27:02 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:24:11 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: free legal advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 01:29 AM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Get a lawyer. You will, most likely, be screwed if you walk in there >naked. The other side WILL have one. > >If the co$t of the lawyer exceeds the fine and points, then it's moot >unless you have a very bad record. Fine, points and subsequent insurance rate hike, even with a good record. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 08:36:36 2003 Subject: Nice morning From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 24 Jun 2003 08:32:13 -0400 Another nice ride in. I'm running middays this week and enjoying the ride in. Minimal traffic for the 8am and 4pm runs. Damn near got clipped yesterday when a van decided that they had to make the left exit at Wash Blvd (? I don't normally exit there so don't pay that much attention to the exit signs) from the right lane. A big "hi" to all the fair weather bikers ;-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 08:41:16 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:55:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Nice morning On 24 Jun 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > Another nice ride in. I'm running middays this week and enjoying the > ride in. Minimal traffic for the 8am and 4pm runs. Damn near got clipped > yesterday when a van decided that they had to make the left exit at Wash > Blvd (? I don't normally exit there so don't pay that much attention to > the exit signs) from the right lane. > > A big "hi" to all the fair weather bikers ;-) I'm not even a fair weather biker right now. I sold the exhaust off my 'Busa last night and my new exhaust won't be here until Friday. Just gotta order up a PC3R to make some programming changes and I should be back on the road next week :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 08:43:44 2003 Subject: Last Friday From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 24 Jun 2003 08:39:26 -0400 While riding home Friday on the wet roads (it was raining hard at lunch time) I made a mistake. We were approaching the HOV onramp by Duke Street. Even though I kept it farther back than normal I was still a little too close to the guy in front of me. Traffic suddenly slowed faster than he expected and he slammed on the brakes. I could see smoke from under his right rear tire (where I was positioned in the lane). I grabbed my front brake and then hit the rear brake. He headed to the left shoulder and I was heading for the center of the lanes. At the same time I felt the rear end begin to slide; just a _little_. As I thought of how much of a pain in the butt it'd be to drop the bike I also let up on the rear brake. The bike recovered and I stopped just to the left of the center line looking to the left at the driver through the passenger window. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 08:45:48 2003 Subject: Re: Nice morning From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 24 Jun 2003 08:41:30 -0400 On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 08:55, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On 24 Jun 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Another nice ride in. I'm running middays this week and enjoying the > > ride in. Minimal traffic for the 8am and 4pm runs. Damn near got clipped > > yesterday when a van decided that they had to make the left exit at Wash > > Blvd (? I don't normally exit there so don't pay that much attention to > > the exit signs) from the right lane. > > > > A big "hi" to all the fair weather bikers ;-) > > I'm not even a fair weather biker right now. I sold the exhaust off my > 'Busa last night and my new exhaust won't be here until Friday. Just > gotta order up a PC3R to make some programming changes and I should be > back on the road next week :-) > Man, four months of rain and _now_ you send off for a new exhaust. TANJ ;-) > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 08:49:52 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:03:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Nice morning On 24 Jun 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > Man, four months of rain and _now_ you send off for a new exhaust. hehe, well you guys can thank me for the nice weather. Now that my bike is down, it's sunny, dry and warm :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 08:58:31 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:55:12 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: White's Ferry... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From a couple weekends ago: http://tinyurl.com/f49w Might be hard to tell but, I think we were both smiling. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 09:30:13 2003 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Nice morning Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:29:58 -0400 Glad your incident worked out. I have been riding ever since the snow stopped, so this weather didn't change much for me :) Alas, having a 2 year old in the house means getting sick at the most inopportune moments, so I'm fighting a nasty cold. I still rode, I just didn't take anything until I got to work in order to keep a clear head. Of course, the inside of the visor needs some cleaning =:0 A big "hi" to all the fair weather bikers ;-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 09:41:54 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:40:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Re: Voltage At 03:13 AM 6/24/2003, you wrote: >Hmmm, I'm not sure prophylactic replacement of the rectified/regulator >every 20 k miles is necessary, especially since the new unit appears to >dissipate heat better. My original one, the old style "hockey puck" R/R >lasted until 38k miles, longer than the chain. ;-] My 20k figure is based solely on hundreds of surveys returned during the RR Survey I ran while still on the VFR list. A few failed at 15k, A few at 30k. Most at around 22k. And if they get far enough to fail, then they can cook the battery, corrode the wiring harness and fry the stator. All that considered, it is just easier to pop a new $100 part in place at 20k and buy a new battery every 3 years. IMHO, YMMV, etc, etc.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 09:42:29 2003 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Quoting Rod Stewart Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:42:16 -0400 Hot Legs, Wearing Me Out! I need advice on hot weather riding pants. I wear a first generation Phoenix jacket over a Bohn back protector and find my upper body generally comfortable but I am sweating like a pig in my MotoPort pants and can't take it anymore. Anyone have any experience with the Phoenix pants or similar offerings from other vendors like Fieldsheer, etc? I wear them over work clothes so they have to function as overpants. I'd love a pair of vented Vansons, but their not in the budget :( Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 09:45:03 2003 Subject: RE: Nice morning From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 24 Jun 2003 09:40:41 -0400 On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 09:29, bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > Glad your incident worked out. I have been riding ever since the snow > stopped, so this weather didn't change much for me :) Alas, having a 2 year > old in the house means getting sick at the most inopportune moments, so I'm > fighting a nasty cold. I still rode, I just didn't take anything until I got > to work in order to keep a clear head. Of course, the inside of the visor > needs some cleaning =:0 > =:0 indeed :-) It's been a while since a 2 year old (or two) have been in the house. I do understand about the visor though. I tried to flip mine up when I could. > A big "hi" to all the fair weather bikers ;-) > > Carl > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 09:55:25 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:55:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart At 09:42 AM 6/24/2003, you wrote: >Anyone have any experience with the Phoenix pants or similar >offerings from other vendors like Fieldsheer, etc? I wear the Phoenix pants every day now, with a First Gear Kenya jacket. The breeze is great. Nothing helps you in the dead calm, baking asphalt in a traffic jam, but any slight breeze makes its way through the Phoenix pants. Worth every penny. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 10:25:37 2003 From: "David Cross" To: Subject: Less Motorcycles on Speedvision? Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:18:58 -0400 This from amasuperbike.com (http://www.amasuperbike.com/2003-Jun/030624a.htm) "The Motorsports TV web site yesterday referenced reports in both the Sports Business Daily and Sports Business Journal in reporting that the ugly paddock rumor of Spring 2003-that Speed's motorcycle programming for 2004 may look very different-seems to be true. Initial reports seemed grim: that all two wheeled Tuesday programming was going to be eliminated. In fact, that was clarified by Speed, according to Motorsportstv.com. "The motorcycle shows are being re-worked and will air in the 10:00 p.m. slot on Tuesday. Two Wheel Tuesday will continue in some form, but the entire day won't be dedicated to motorcycles." Speed's VP and Executive Producer, Bob Scanlon, said last year in an on-line chat that he was enthused by the number of motorcycle racing fans who wrote to the network when the last Speed changes were discussed, but was then frustrated by the lack of motorcycle racing viewers, from his perspective." -Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 10:26:00 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:27:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Voltage To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" An alternative: wire in a voltmeter and/or ammeter. Troutman writes: >>Hmmm, I'm not sure prophylactic replacement of the rectified/regulator >>every 20 k miles is necessary, especially since the new unit appears to >>dissipate heat better. My original one, the old style "hockey puck" R/R >>lasted until 38k miles, longer than the chain. ;-] > >My 20k figure is based solely on hundreds of surveys returned during the >RR >Survey I ran while still on the VFR list. A few failed at 15k, A few at >30k. Most at around 22k. And if they get far enough to fail, then they >can cook the battery, corrode the wiring harness and fry the stator. All >that considered, it is just easier to pop a new $100 part in place at 20k >and buy a new battery every 3 years. IMHO, YMMV, etc, etc.... > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 10:32:37 2003 From: Han Park To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Quoting Rod Stewart Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:32:34 -0400 I wear phoenix pants and jacket in this weather for commuting to DC. I would say the pants are better than jeans, although in stopped traffic they're still hot. Part of it is my F4 throws out a lot of heat from the engine and it hits me right in my inner thighs. My old F2 never did this. It's really annoying. han > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart > > > At 09:42 AM 6/24/2003, you wrote: > >Anyone have any experience with the Phoenix pants or similar > >offerings from other vendors like Fieldsheer, etc? > > I wear the Phoenix pants every day now, with a First Gear Kenya > jacket. The breeze is great. Nothing helps you in the dead > calm, baking > asphalt in a traffic jam, but any slight breeze makes its way > through the > Phoenix pants. Worth every penny. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 10:51:52 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:51:44 -0400 > From: bernescut@XXXXXX > > Hot Legs, Wearing Me Out! > > I need advice on hot weather riding pants. I wear a first generation > Phoenix jacket over a Bohn back protector and find my upper body generally > comfortable but I am sweating like a pig in my MotoPort pants and can't take > it anymore. Anyone have any experience with the Phoenix pants or similar > offerings from other vendors like Fieldsheer, etc? I wear them over work > clothes so they have to function as overpants. The Phoenix pants, and the First Gear Mesh-Tex, are not designed to be overpants. I'm trying to figure out what "mesh" type overpants exist, too. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 10:56:19 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:56:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart At 10:51 AM 6/24/2003, Bob Meyer wrote: >The Phoenix pants, and the First Gear Mesh-Tex, are not designed to be >overpants. I'm trying to figure out what "mesh" type overpants exist, too. Does it matter if they are _designed_ to be overpants? They work great as overpants. What would the difference be exactly? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 10:58:27 2003 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:57:57 -0400 For what it's worth, First Gear makes (made?) their leather "Sport Touring Overpants" in a Summer model, which is a fully perforated leather. They have full length leg zippers, standard front opening zipper, and a waistband zipper to attach a jacket. They do not, unfortunately, have any armor. I have a pair and like them a lot. I would like them more if they had some knee and hip armor. Nevertheless, I'm sure they will provide more protection than jeans - or shorts. Perry >From: Bob Meyer >Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX >To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart >Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:51:44 -0400 > > > From: bernescut@XXXXXX > > > > > Hot Legs, Wearing Me Out! > > > > I need advice on hot weather riding pants. I wear a first generation > > Phoenix jacket over a Bohn back protector and find my upper body >generally > > comfortable but I am sweating like a pig in my MotoPort pants and can't >take > > it anymore. Anyone have any experience with the Phoenix pants or >similar > > offerings from other vendors like Fieldsheer, etc? I wear them over >work > > clothes so they have to function as overpants. > >The Phoenix pants, and the First Gear Mesh-Tex, are not designed to be >overpants. I'm trying to figure out what "mesh" type overpants exist, too. > >Bob > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 12:13:35 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:13:20 -0400 I wear mine over my pants to work, they work great. Feel even better w/ shorts on under them. >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart >Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:56:16 -0400 > >At 10:51 AM 6/24/2003, Bob Meyer wrote: >>The Phoenix pants, and the First Gear Mesh-Tex, are not designed to be >>overpants. I'm trying to figure out what "mesh" type overpants exist, >>too. > >Does it matter if they are _designed_ to be overpants? They work great as >overpants. What would the difference be exactly? > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 12:24:45 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:24:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Summer In Tune For whatever reason, the VFR is running smoother and stronger today than it has all winter. I just came back from a week trip (Rhode Island / Mass / then Tennessee). The bike wasn't running badly before - but there is a marked change. Maybe the carbs are synced up for 83 degrees and no rain. While in TN I ventured close to Knoxville but unfortunately had no time for The Hoot. I did get to ride back to Virginia with hundreds of Goldwings on 81 though. If my post-op back doesn't improve soon - I will be strongly considering a rolling couch. I really liked the BMW K1200GT I rode in Chantilly last summer. I'll probably be test riding a few sofas by fall. I hear nothing but Good Things about the 'wing. I think the Little Woman might like riding 2-up on that a lot more than the VFR. As it is she kidney punches me when I corner on the VFR. Ugh. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 12:50:24 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:53:06 -0400 Michael Lynch offered, "Perhaps the author of this page knows from where the content originated..." I updated it ( . . . over 3 years ago!! Holy Cow -- somebody update this). My update was based on someone else's posting (Hork?) maybe 2 or 3 years before that. Garcia said, "Fwiw, I appealed a similar ticket last winter---appeal denied (despite my Suzuki being misidentified as Harley-Davidson). No reason given, of course. I appealed this decision and have not heard back." Has anyone ever gotten a mail-appealed ticket reversed? In person, I've gotten two parking tickets reduced and beat one traffic ticket. But have had all mailed in appeals denied. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 12:57:20 2003 From: "Laura Roach" To: Subject: OT: Do you have talent? Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:15:20 -0400 Hi All: Brian and I are starting our own business and the only aspect we have left is to get the space we need for the business. We are opening a dog daycare in the Fairfax County area. :) What we are looking for is someone who may have some talents in the "artistic" department. We are looking to paint some cool scenery on the inside of the building, and neither one of us is good at anything except stick figures. :) If anyone has this talent or knows of anyone who does, please contact me. :) We may also be looking for help from anyone who is good with handyman stuff to help build out the inside of the building. Let me know if you're good at that stuff too. :) TIA, LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 13:02:21 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:01:41 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart I've got a Phoenix Jacket and pants (bought from a lister) and both work very well. Even though I haven't worn the pants much, the couple times I have they have been perfect. I wore the whole suit, over shorts and t-shirt, on a ride to Kings Dominion last summer. Took everything off and stored in a large locker. Great ventilation. Scooter In a message dated 6/24/2003 8:42:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > > > Hot Legs, Wearing Me Out! > > I need advice on hot weather riding pants. I wear a first generation > Phoenix jacket over a Bohn back protector and find my upper body generally > comfortable but I am sweating like a pig in my MotoPort pants and can't take > it anymore. Anyone have any experience with the Phoenix pants or similar > offerings from other vendors like Fieldsheer, etc? I wear them over work > clothes so they have to function as overpants. I'd love a > pair of vented > Vansons, but their not in the budget :( > > Cedric Bernescut > 2000 CBR600F4 > Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 13:27:52 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Troutman" , "garcia oliver" Cc: Subject: Re: Re: Voltage Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:28:23 -0400 Yep, got the voltmeter. It's been a comfort to be able to monitor the charging system at all times. That's how I knew my rectifier/regulator was heading south. 12.5V at highway speeds on a two-month-old battery = not good. I started shedding loads (pulled one headlight) and the battery got a bit of charge. Turns out one "leg" of the rectifier was fried, which limited the output of the alternator. My failed in "undercharge" mode (rectifier failure), the less catastrophic kind than the overcharging failure (regulator failure) where high-voltage takes out the battery, ignition modules and other expensive bits. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "garcia oliver" > An alternative: wire in a voltmeter and/or ammeter. > > Troutman writes: > >>Hmmm, I'm not sure prophylactic replacement of the rectified/regulator > >>every 20 k miles is necessary, especially since the new unit appears to > >>dissipate heat better. My original one, the old style "hockey puck" R/R > >>lasted until 38k miles, longer than the chain. ;-] > > > >My 20k figure is based solely on hundreds of surveys returned during the > >RR.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 13:29:49 2003 Subject: Re: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 24 Jun 2003 13:25:29 -0400 On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 12:53, Custer, Carl wrote: > Has anyone ever gotten a mail-appealed ticket reversed? > In person, I've gotten two parking tickets reduced and beat one traffic > ticket. I'm going to try. Thursday when I went out to the truck I found the front plate and mounting bracket in the street. The support dealies had finally popped out of the plastic bracket (the first one had popped out sometime this past winter). I threw the whole thing on my front seat license plate up and headed in. Later I missed the meter by moments (she was ticketing the car behind me) and found I had two tickets. And the "missing front plate" ticket was a towable offense! I bailed early so I wouldn't get towed and when I got home I cable tied the plates onto the bumper. > But have had all mailed in appeals denied. > > Carl in Bethesda > Evil Overlord Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 13:44:08 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" Subject: Parallel Parking a Motorcycles in DC? Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:46:57 -0400 Friday, Chris Norloff posted: "I got the first version of that that the list had; faxed to me by the DC parking patrol. I called the number in the phone book for DC parking enforcement." O.K. ignore my previous note (I'm caught-back to Friday) -- except -- the "somebody puh-leeze update my 3-year-old update " part. "Glad to see Carl's updated it; it might even need more!" Yup IIRC the 600 G street spot is gone and maybe more. Bob Meyer's "I'd suggest appealing it, then changing your license plate." Is spot on. One of the good things about not living in DC is that parking tickets are not reciprocal. Yes, unless something has been changed in the past several years, we provincials can ignore DC parking tickets. DC's only recourse is to grab your vehicle. So, in most cases if its a $15 donation, it's not worth the hassle. Give, grin, go and sin no more. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 14:09:31 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:09:24 -0400 > At 10:51 AM 6/24/2003, Bob Meyer wrote: > >The Phoenix pants, and the First Gear Mesh-Tex, are not designed to be > >overpants. I'm trying to figure out what "mesh" type overpants exist, too. > > Does it matter if they are _designed_ to be overpants? They work great as > overpants. What would the difference be exactly? The problem I found was that buying a size big enough to fit around my pants and belt, and loose enough in the leg to be comfortable over pants, gave me pants that were way, way too long. Bob Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 14:13:10 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: Do you have talent? To: Laura Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Laura Roach wrote: > We are opening a dog daycare in the Fairfax County area. :) Are you gonna have a cool "school bus" like Old Town School for Dogs in Alexandria? 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 15:40:39 2003 From: "Laura Roach" To: "Larry Larson" , Subject: Re: OT: Do you have talent? Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:58:15 -0400 > > Are you gonna have a cool "school bus" like Old Town School > for Dogs in Alexandria? 8;) Nope...no doggy school bus as of yet. we have a very strict business plan to adhere to in order to get this thing off the ground, but maybe in the future :) LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 16:05:40 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:02:49 -0400 From: Skip To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Quoting Rod Stewart Bob Meyer wrote: > > > At 10:51 AM 6/24/2003, Bob Meyer wrote: > > >The Phoenix pants, and the First Gear Mesh-Tex, are not designed to be > > >overpants. I'm trying to figure out what "mesh" type overpants exist, too. > > > > Does it matter if they are _designed_ to be overpants? They work great as > > overpants. What would the difference be exactly? > > The problem I found was that buying a size big enough to fit around my pants and belt, and loose enough in the leg to be comfortable over pants, gave me pants that were way, way too long. break out a needle and thread and hem those suckers. speaking of sewing, if anyone needs quality stitching done on just about any fabric, my parachute rigger is excellent. he can stich through something like 4 layers of seatbelt material. his name is Willian Linne, located in Falls church, reachable through his website http://www.varigging.com blue skies! --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 16:15:52 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:15:20 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: skip@XXXXXX, rmeyer9@XXXXXX Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Skydiving was Re: Quoting Rod Stewart I say we hold a DC-Cycles Ride and Dive. :-) I've tandem jumped (in Houston) before and would love to do it again. Where around the DC area is a good place to go? Scooter (Geranimo!!!! =8-0) In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:02:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > speaking of sewing, if anyone needs quality stitching done on just about > any fabric, my parachute rigger is excellent. he can stich through > something like 4 layers of seatbelt material. > > his name is Willian Linne, located in Falls church, > reachable through > his website http://www.varigging.com > > blue skies! > > --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 16:26:47 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Skydiving was Re: Quoting Rod Stewart To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, skip@XXXXXX, rmeyer9@XXXXXX Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Orange County. Make sure you get Greg for your pilot. Leon. --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I say we hold a DC-Cycles Ride and Dive. :-) I've > tandem jumped (in Houston) before and would love to > do it again. Where around the DC area is a good > place to go? > > Scooter (Geranimo!!!! =8-0) > > In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:02:49 PM Eastern > Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > speaking of sewing, if anyone needs quality > stitching done on just about > > any fabric, my parachute rigger is excellent. he > can stich through > > something like 4 layers of seatbelt material. > > > > his name is Willian Linne, located in Falls > church, > > reachable through > > his website http://www.varigging.com > > > > blue skies! > > > > --skip > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 16:29:43 2003 Subject: RE: Skydiving was Re: Quoting Rod Stewart Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:29:35 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Leon Begeman" , , , Cc: , I want to try my hand at jumping and I think I would enjoy going through AFF. I don't know if it will happen this summer, though. Witold > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:27 PM > To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX; skip@XXXXXX; rmeyer9@XXXXXX > Cc: mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Skydiving was Re: Quoting Rod Stewart > > > Orange County. Make sure you get Greg for your pilot. > > > Leon. > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I say we hold a DC-Cycles Ride and Dive. :-) I've > > tandem jumped (in Houston) before and would love to > > do it again. Where around the DC area is a good > > place to go? > > > > Scooter (Geranimo!!!! =8-0) > > > > In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:02:49 PM Eastern > > Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > speaking of sewing, if anyone needs quality > > stitching done on just about > > > any fabric, my parachute rigger is excellent. he > > can stich through > > > something like 4 layers of seatbelt material. > > > > > > his name is Willian Linne, located in Falls > > church, > > > reachable through > > > his website http://www.varigging.com > > > > > > blue skies! > > > > > > --skip > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 16:40:45 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:35:22 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: Witold@XXXXXX, mriderleon@XXXXXX, skip@XXXXXX, rmeyer9@XXXXXX Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skydiving was Re: Quoting Rod Stewart I wouldn't mind going through the AFF course either. Hmmmm......sounds like the makings of something. Group discount? Scooter In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:29:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Witold@XXXXXX writes: > > > > I want to try my hand at jumping and I think I would enjoy going through AFF. I don't know if it will happen this > summer, though. > > Witold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:27 PM > > To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX; skip@XXXXXX; rmeyer9@XXXXXX > > Cc: mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Skydiving was Re: Quoting Rod Stewart > > > > > > Orange County. Make sure you get Greg for your pilot. > > > > > > Leon. > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I say we hold a DC-Cycles Ride and Dive. :-) I've > > > tandem jumped (in Houston) before and would love to > > > do it again. Where around the DC area is a good > > > place to go? > > > > > > Scooter (Geranimo!!!! =8-0) > > > > > > In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:02:49 PM Eastern > > > Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking of sewing, if anyone needs quality > > > stitching done on just about > > > > any fabric, my parachute rigger is excellent. he > > > can stich through > > > > something like 4 layers of seatbelt material. > > > > > > > > his name is Willian Linne, located in Falls > > > church, > > > > reachable through > > > > his website http://www.varigging.com > > > > > > > > blue skies! > > > > > > > > --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 16:54:05 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:53:53 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: skip@XXXXXX Cc: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skydiving was Re: Quoting Rod Stewart Sounds like this could eventually turn into a plan. Don't worry about being bikeless Skip, I'm sure you can ride pillion with someone. :-) If it sounds like anyone else is interested Skip, I say roll with it and I'm in. Chambersburg might make for a nice ride. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:35:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > > Well, there are a few good places to go. > > Orange was mentioned, and is a good place. they play hard a party > hard. a pretty welcoming group of folks. > I prefer chambersburg, pa., personally. I've known the DZO (drop zone > owner), JR Sides, for the past ten years. He is a master rigger, did a > few of my AFF jumps, and is an all-around good guy. he is also > fanatical about safety (not saying that the foks at orange aren't, I've > just been witness to it from JR) > > I am currently bikeless, and due to some 'legal issues', I can't drive. > Only 150 days left, as of today. The best thing to do is to get a group > together, if you're going to do tandems. if you go during the week, you > can get a discount on the price, too. > > If you go to chambersburg, make sure you tell JR that skip sent ya. I'm > not sure if he has a referral program or not, but I like to let him know > that I'm sending folks his way. if you want me to assist in setting it > up, let me know. > > > --blue skies! > > Skip > > --not sent to the list due to personal info... > > ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I say we hold a DC-Cycles Ride and Dive. :-) I've tandem jumped (in Houston) before and would love to do it again. Where around the DC area is a good place to go? > > > > Scooter (Geranimo!!!! =8-0) > > > > In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:02:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > speaking of sewing, if anyone needs quality stitching done on just about > > > any fabric, my parachute rigger is excellent. he can > stich through > > > something like 4 layers of seatbelt material. > > > > > > his name is Willian Linne, located in Falls church, > > > reachable through > > > his website http://www.varigging.com > > > > > > blue skies! > > > > > > --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 17:10:17 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Skydiving To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I say we hold a DC-Cycles Ride and Dive. :-) I've tandem jumped (in > Houston) before and would love to do it again. Where around the DC area is a > good place to go? I did this with another MSF instructor and his father. We rode down to Orange, VA, (http://www.skydiveorange.com/) did the tandem jump, then rode back. One person down there looked at us on our bikes and commented about how dangerous "those things were." We just looked at him, carrying his canopy, all his diving gear, etc. He quickly wandered away. :-) The jump was fun though. If it's your first time, get the video. It's extra bucks, but it's worth it to watch again and again. Also to see the look of horror on your mother's and fiancee's face when they see you actually jump out. :-) Here are some shots from my jump. http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/falling/index.html Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatrics Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 17:21:24 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:20:53 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skydiving Been there, done that. The look on my mother's face was priceless. I wish I had my camera handy to capture the moment. I gave her the stills to add to her photo album of "Stupid Things My Son Has Done." ;-) I wouldn't mind doing another tandem just to get up in the air faster. Scooter In a message dated 6/24/2003 4:10:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I say we hold a DC-Cycles Ride and Dive. :-) I've tandem jumped (in > > Houston) before and would love to do it again. Where around the DC area is a > > good place to go? > > I did this with another MSF instructor and his father. We rode down to Orange, > VA, (http://www.skydiveorange.com/) did the tandem jump, then rode back. One > person down there looked at us on our bikes and commented about how dangerous > "those things were." We just looked at him, carrying his canopy, all his > diving gear, etc. He quickly wandered away. :-) The jump was fun though. If > it's your first time, get the video. It's extra bucks, but it's worth it to > watch again and again. Also to see the look of horror on your mother's and > fiancee's face when they see you actually jump out. :-) > > Here are some shots from my jump. > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/falling/index.html > > Louis > > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA > Please consider helping me support the Pediatrics Brain > Tumor Foundation > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 18:11:27 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:11:23 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Skydiving "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: [snip] > One > person down there looked at us on our bikes and commented about how dangerous > "those things were." We just looked at him, carrying his canopy, all his > diving gear, etc. He quickly wandered away. :-) [snip] and rightfully so! motorcycles *are* dangerous! :~) in reality, skydiving has about the same risk of death as scuba diving. you just dont hear about people dying scuba diving (ie, drowning) because it's just not very dramatic. hitting the ground at 120 mph... now *that's* drama! Tandems are a great way to get into the sport. the thrill is still there, but -some- of the risk of dying your first time out is mitigated by having strapped to you a guy who has done it thousands of times. I also strongly recommend getting the video. you never have your first jump a second time, though night jumps feel like your first jump. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 19:52:59 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride Report: Brush with Death... Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:53:12 -0500 Well I went out for a ride after work. I went north west into Montgumery County via River and over towards whites ferry and then back whites feery road to 109 and over 109 too 270 south. So then I hop on 270 south go get down to 121 south and then over to 117 west to 28 south. Then home. So get this. I get off 270 south onto 121 and i round a semi blind bend and this CRAZY B17CH is rounding the courner going the wrong was on an off ramp. I slam on the breaks and then swerve outta the way, SHE doesn't even stop till she gets onto 270 southbound gonig northenn. I stop turn off the bike and stop to clean out my shorts. She then drives by me and WAVES and Smiles, doesn't stop or appologize for running me off the road, nothing. Rob -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 21:19:02 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:18:44 EDT Subject: Re: Skydiving To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/24/2003 6:12:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > Tandems are a great way to get into the sport. Interesting. I always wanted to try it, but I have no interest at all in doing it tandem. Solo yes, tandem no. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 21:36:49 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:35:38 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Strange rattle... Last night I hit the Mutha of all potholes. It's on the right side of the Seminary Road entrance ramp onto I-395. Saw it, hit it, no time to avoid it. Now I have a rattle in the front end of the Harley. I examined, kicked, wiggled, but can't fine anything loose. Olny part I haven't peeked into is the instrument cluster, but everything works. The Rattle. Any slight bump in the road, even tiny ridges, and the rattle goes *tinka - tinka* Sounds like metal. Maybe a cracked head bearing race? Or trashed head bearing, but I don't feel anything odd with the steering. Any ideas? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 22:27:13 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:27:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Skydiving To: Skip Smith , "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Skip Smith wrote: > .... though night jumps feel like your > first jump. Try your first night jump over water...and you can't swim. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 22:58:47 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald Subject: Thanks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:03:54 -0400 (EDT) > From: Wayne Edelen > > hehe, well you guys can thank me for the nice > weather. Now that my bike is down, it's sunny, > dry and warm :-) > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Thank you very, very much Wayne :-) Would it be too much to ask that your new can not get delivered until Monday, so I can have a nice ride this weekend ;-) Sorry, couldn't stop myself. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 24 23:30:31 2003 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Yamaha Seca specs question To: DC Cycles My next door neighbor's first bike is an '82 (?) Yamaha Seca 650. He is having issues with the oil, the issue being he did not check it so it ran low, and when he went to top it off it he overfilled it (by about 2 quarts, judging from the gusher coming from the air intake). I drained it for him but he gets to fill it up. I don't want to tell him to check it by sighting the level window because that was what he was doing when he overfilled it; I'd rather be able to tell him to just put in however many quarts. Anyone know how much oil this bike takes? Someone on the list must have had one at one time or another. Also he is looking for a Haynes book or similar, having a hard time finding one so if anyone has one to sell, please let me know. Thanks! patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 02:06:41 2003 Subject: I-66: Not safe for bikes Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:06:32 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "dcpatti" , "DC Cycles" It is 1am and I just got back home to Dunn Loring from DC. At this time of the night, I-66 is a pretty pleasant ride. Sure, it doesn't have the hairpin turns of the mountain twisties, but if you go fast enough, the road is quite decent, considering that it is so close to the city. Traffic is almost nonexistent and the shoulders are clear of possible dangers. So I am riding back, enjoying the road, and keeping a steady 85-90mph on the speedo. That is just enough to make my R6 lean enough to make it just a little fun. As I go around one lazy bend, I notice 2 cruisers that pulled over a sportscar near Ballston. That's OK, they are far away: I hit the brakes, gear down, and continue. Thinking that I'm in the clear for a little while, I'm about to gas it around the next bend when I see two more cruisers that pulled over another car on the other side of the road. I don't slow down since they can't cut across to my side of the road. At this point, I'm thinking that there's no way there would be more than 4 cruisers patrolling for speeders on this small stretch of road at 1am on a Tuesday morning. Taking this theory as fact, I gas it going into a nice little left hander right before the Rt7 exit. But I was WRONG! There was yet another crusier with its lights off sitting under the bridge facing the direction of the traffic. This cruiser had the perfect spot to radar cars, but would have to radio ahead to get someone to make the traffic stop. (This brings us to a minimum of SIX cruisers for less than 10 miles of highway. ) I only notice that cruiser when I'm fairly close to passing his spot. I look at the speedo - 88mph - I hit the brakes and gear down but I know that if he was aiming for me, he already got me a long, long time ago.... I take the Rt7 exit, and I know he can see me doing so. There's lots of cops around Tysons so I know I can't just go down Rt7. I opt to immediately go into little neighborhoods and make lots of left and right turns, fianlly ending up on some gravel road. After a little while of this exploration, I find a backway to my house and, thankfully, my path doesn't cross with any police cruisers. The reason why I'm writing all this is because this incident culminates my recent encounters with lots and lots of PO enforcement on I-66. The past week or so, I've seen at least 1 cruiser/day, including an unmarked crown victoria. To put this in perspective, I have been commuting via 66 for about 1 year, and in that year I can count on 1-2 hand(s) the number of cruisers I've seen in the Falls Church-DC stretch of I-66... They are obviously stepping up enforcement on this stretch of road. For now, I'm done with I-66 and wanted to warn everyone. Witold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 02:40:51 2003 Subject: Re: Yamaha Seca specs question From: Brian Roach To: dcpatti Cc: DC Cycles Date: 25 Jun 2003 02:40:45 -0400 On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 23:30, dcpatti wrote: > Anyone > know how much oil this bike takes? 3.5 liters (3.7 quarts) total capacity. If he's changing the oil AND filter, 3 liters and a splash or two should do it. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 07:03:09 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Clutch issues. I seem to be developing a clutch problem. Lately the bike's shifter has been very sticky, especially with the 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 upshifts and 2-1 downshifts. This morning I noticed that the bike wasn't rolling smoothly while in first, even with the clutch lever pulled all the way in -- there was some friction there, and the clutch be makin' noises. Any idea what the problem could be? Too much slack in the clutch lever, perhaps? (I do have to pull the lever aaaaaallllll the way in to shift, and if I let out just a bit of slack I start to move forward.) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 07:21:16 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:35:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > The reason why I'm writing all this is because this incident culminates my recent encounters with lots and lots of PO enforcement on I-66. The past week or so, I've seen at least 1 cruiser/day, including an unmarked crown victoria. To put this in perspective, I have been commuting via 66 for about 1 year, and in that year I can count on 1-2 hand(s) the number of cruisers I've seen in the Falls Church-DC stretch of I-66... They are obviously stepping up enforcement on this stretch of road. For now, I'm done with I-66 and wanted to warn everyone. > > Witold > I noticed an increased presence of revenue generators on 267 yesterday around lunch time. From all of the nightmare enforcement stories I've heard recently (reckless tickets, jail time) I try to avoid driving in VA if possible :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 07:55:38 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Clutch issues. Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:55:30 -0400 Shoulda bought my Seca II, bulletproof, not bullet riddled like those 2 you have. >From: Fish Flowers >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Clutch issues. >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:03:07 -0700 (PDT) > >I seem to be developing a clutch problem. Lately the bike's shifter has >been very sticky, especially with the 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 upshifts and 2-1 >downshifts. This morning I noticed that the bike wasn't rolling smoothly >while in first, even with the clutch lever pulled all the way in -- there >was some friction there, and the clutch be makin' noises. > >Any idea what the problem could be? Too much slack in the clutch lever, >perhaps? (I do have to pull the lever aaaaaallllll the way in to shift, >and if I let out just a bit of slack I start to move forward.) > >Fish. > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 08:07:26 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:21:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Powdercoating? While my bike is apart (http://www.blueblackbusa.org/exhaust) :-) I'd like to get some small parts powdercoated black. My heel guards are showing a lot of wear from rubbing on my boots, so I'd like to get them refinished. Any recommendations on local shops? Thanks. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 08:12:37 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Clutch issues. To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX finally some good ol' fashioned dc-cycles "advice".... --- rich hall wrote: > Shoulda bought my Seca II, bulletproof, not bullet > riddled like those 2 you > have. > > >From: Fish Flowers > >To: DC-Cycles > >Subject: Clutch issues. > >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:03:07 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I seem to be developing a clutch problem. Lately the > bike's shifter has > >been very sticky, especially with the 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 > upshifts and 2-1 > >downshifts. This morning I noticed that the bike wasn't > rolling smoothly > >while in first, even with the clutch lever pulled all > the way in -- there > >was some friction there, and the clutch be makin' > noises. > > > >Any idea what the problem could be? Too much slack in > the clutch lever, > >perhaps? (I do have to pull the lever aaaaaallllll the > way in to shift, > >and if I let out just a bit of slack I start to move > forward.) > > > >Fish. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 08:21:28 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:21:25 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes To: DC Cycles Witold, refusing to do his civic duty to keep our other taxes low, told us - >> The reason why I'm writing all this is because this incident culminates my recent encounters with lots and lots of PO enforcement on I-66. ... They are obviously stepping up enforcement on this stretch of road. For now, I'm done with I-66 and wanted to warn everyone. >> >> Witold >> [Dave] I'll bet that cop on 66 never looked up from his SWAT magazine. Then Wayne keenly noted: >I noticed an increased presence of revenue generators on 267 >yesterday around lunch time. [Dave] The guys with blue lights are revenue_collectors - not generators... If they were revenue generators, we'd be rolling them on a regular basis ;-) > From all of the nightmare enforcement stories I've heard >recently (reckless tickets, jail time) I try to avoid >driving in VA if possible :-) [Dave] It seems that we have the convergence of federal dollars, the annual summer enforcement campaigns, and the respective department pushes. About 3 - 2 weeks ago, FFX was patrolling rt. 1 quite heavily. I'm only on 1 about 5 miles each way, but coming home each night I was eyeballing no less than 10 cruisers each night... The federal dollars are allegedly for DUI checkpoints, and the $$$ was nationwide. I read in the paper that the latest checkpoint passed 1k cars, in Arlington :-O and netted a whopping 4 violations. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 08:30:59 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:30:53 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes They must be out patrolling for all those dangerous, wreck-causing speeders at 1am on I-66 :-( Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:06:32 -0400 >It is 1am and I just got back home to Dunn Loring from DC. At this time of the night, I-66 is a pretty pleasant ride. Sure, it doesn't have the hairpin turns of the mountain twisties, but if you go fast enough, the road is quite decent, considering that it is so close to the city. Traffic is almost nonexistent and the shoulders are clear of possible dangers. > >So I am riding back, enjoying the road, and keeping a steady 85-90mph on the speedo. That is just enough to make my R6 lean enough to make it just a little fun. As I go around one lazy bend, I notice 2 cruisers that pulled over a sportscar near Ballston. That's OK, they are far away: I hit the brakes, gear down, and continue. > >Thinking that I'm in the clear for a little while, I'm about to gas it around the next bend when I see two more cruisers that pulled over another car on the other side of the road. I don't slow down since they can't cut across to my side of the road. At this point, I'm thinking that there's no way there would be more than 4 cruisers patrolling for speeders on this small stretch of road at 1am on a Tuesday morning. Taking this theory as fact, I gas it going into a nice little left hander right before the Rt7 exit. But I was WRONG! There was yet another crusier with its lights off sitting under the bridge facing the direction of the traffic. This cruiser had the perfect spot to radar cars, but would have to radio ahead to get someone to make the traffic stop. > >(This brings us to a minimum of SIX cruisers for less than 10 miles of highway. ) > >I only notice that cruiser when I'm fairly close to passing his spot. I look at the speedo - 88mph - I hit the brakes and gear down but I know that if he was aiming for me, he already got me a long, long time ago.... I take the Rt7 exit, and I know he can see me doing so. There's lots of cops around Tysons so I know I can't just go down Rt7. I opt to immediately go into little neighborhoods and make lots of left and right turns, fianlly ending up on some gravel road. After a little while of this exploration, I find a backway to my house and, thankfully, my path doesn't cross with any police cruisers. > >The reason why I'm writing all this is because this incident culminates my recent encounters with lots and lots of PO enforcement on I-66. The past week or so, I've seen at least 1 cruiser/day, including an unmarked crown victoria. To put this in perspective, I have been commuting via 66 for about 1 year, and in that year I can count on 1-2 hand(s) the number of cruisers I've seen in the Falls Church-DC stretch of I-66... They are obviously stepping up enforcement on this stretch of road. For now, I'm done with I-66 and wanted to warn everyone. > >Witold > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 08:42:44 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:42:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Clutch issues. At 07:03 AM 6/25/2003, you wrote: >I seem to be developing a clutch problem. Lately the bike's shifter has >been very sticky, especially with the 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 upshifts and 2-1 >downshifts. This morning I noticed that the bike wasn't rolling smoothly >while in first, even with the clutch lever pulled all the way in -- there >was some friction there, and the clutch be makin' noises. > >Any idea what the problem could be? Too much slack in the clutch lever, >perhaps? (I do have to pull the lever aaaaaallllll the way in to shift, >and if I let out just a bit of slack I start to move forward.) Time for an oil change? Check the oil levels and if it is due - change it. If that isn't it, adjust the clutch cable at both ends. If it can't be adjusted any further - replace it. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 08:47:23 2003 Subject: Re: Yamaha Seca specs question From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 25 Jun 2003 08:42:58 -0400 On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 23:30, dcpatti wrote: > My next door neighbor's first bike is an '82 (?) > Yamaha Seca 650. He is having issues with the oil, the > issue being he did not check it so it ran low, and > when he went to top it off it he overfilled it (by > about 2 quarts, judging from the gusher coming from > the air intake). I drained it for him but he gets to > fill it up. I don't want to tell him to check it by > sighting the level window because that was what he was > doing when he overfilled it; I'd rather be able to > tell him to just put in however many quarts. Anyone > know how much oil this bike takes? Someone on the > list must have had one at one time or another. Also he > is looking for a Haynes book or similar, having a hard > time finding one so if anyone has one to sell, please > let me know. > Check "The Motor Bookstore" http://www.motorcyclebooks.com I bought my Honda 750 Clymer and Haynes books from them and it seems they have Clymer Yamaha XJ600 Seca II / Diversion 1992-1998 Haynes Yamaha XJ600 Seca II & Diversion 1992-96 Haynes Yamaha XJ650 & XJ750 Fours 1980-1984 So I guess they have the book your neighbor needs. The price for the last one is $16.22. > Thanks! > > patti > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 08:47:28 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:51:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Clutch issues. From: Steve Miller To: I definitely think you should try adjusting the cable first. You want a little bit of play in the clutch cable, you know. Not sure what to say about the sticky shifter. Have you tried shifting without the clutch? >> I seem to be developing a clutch problem. Lately the bike's shifter has >> been very sticky, especially with the 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 upshifts and 2-1 >> downshifts. This morning I noticed that the bike wasn't rolling smoothly >> while in first, even with the clutch lever pulled all the way in -- there >> was some friction there, and the clutch be makin' noises. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 09:00:36 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , "dcpatti" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 9:00:29 -0400 In case you haven't been watching the news, this week has been designated for extra enforcement in DC, MD, and VA, to combat "agressive driving" Bob Meyer > > From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" > Date: 2003/06/25 Wed AM 02:06:32 EDT > To: "dcpatti" , "DC Cycles" > Subject: I-66: Not safe for bikes > > It is 1am and I just got back home to Dunn Loring from DC. At this time of the night, I-66 is a pretty pleasant ride. Sure, it doesn't have the hairpin turns of the mountain twisties, but if you go fast enough, the road is quite decent, considering that it is so close to the city. Traffic is almost nonexistent and the shoulders are clear of possible dangers. > > So I am riding back, enjoying the road, and keeping a steady 85-90mph on the speedo. That is just enough to make my R6 lean enough to make it just a little fun. As I go around one lazy bend, I notice 2 cruisers that pulled over a sportscar near Ballston. That's OK, they are far away: I hit the brakes, gear down, and continue. > > Thinking that I'm in the clear for a little while, I'm about to gas it around the next bend when I see two more cruisers that pulled over another car on the other side of the road. I don't slow down since they can't cut across to my side of the road. At this point, I'm thinking that there's no way there would be more than 4 cruisers patrolling for speeders on this small stretch of road at 1am on a Tuesday morning. Taking this theory as fact, I gas it going into a nice little left hander right before the Rt7 exit. But I was WRONG! There was yet another crusier with its lights off sitting under the bridge facing the direction of the traffic. This cruiser had the perfect spot to radar cars, but would have to radio ahead to get someone to make the traffic stop. > > (This brings us to a minimum of SIX cruisers for less than 10 miles of highway. ) > > I only notice that cruiser when I'm fairly close to passing his spot. I look at the speedo - 88mph - I hit the brakes and gear down but I know that if he was aiming for me, he already got me a long, long time ago.... I take the Rt7 exit, and I know he can see me doing so. There's lots of cops around Tysons so I know I can't just go down Rt7. I opt to immediately go into little neighborhoods and make lots of left and right turns, fianlly ending up on some gravel road. After a little while of this exploration, I find a backway to my house and, thankfully, my path doesn't cross with any police cruisers. > > The reason why I'm writing all this is because this incident culminates my recent encounters with lots and lots of PO enforcement on I-66. The past week or so, I've seen at least 1 cruiser/day, including an unmarked crown victoria. To put this in perspective, I have been commuting via 66 for about 1 year, and in that year I can count on 1-2 hand(s) the number of cruisers I've seen in the Falls Church-DC stretch of I-66... They are obviously stepping up enforcement on this stretch of road. For now, I'm done with I-66 and wanted to warn everyone. > > Witold > > > > > > > Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 10:14:05 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:11:40 -0400 From: Skip To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX CC: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , dcpatti , DC Cycles Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes Bob Meyer wrote: > > In case you haven't been watching the news, this week has been designated for extra enforcement in DC, MD, and VA, to combat "agressive driving" > > Bob Meyer come on friday! in another story, I finished puting a transmission in my saturn yesterday, and came home via 7100. the ffx co boys had the laser going at the top of the hill by ?burke center pkwy? -- the light you hit, heading south, before you get to 123. they've got you nailed at least 1/2 mile before you can see them/ --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 11:01:54 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:58:47 -0400 From: Jay Goddard Subject: Take off tires CHEAP!! To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Hey, I have a few used tires that I won't need anytime soon. I'll take beer, wine or good liquor as trade. They are located in Rockville MD. Bridgestone BT56SS. Two rear 150/60/18s and a 110/70/17 front. These have spent 90% of there life on the track so the centers are great, the sides have not hit the wear bars yet. They work very well on FZRs. Michelin Pilot sports. Rear 190/50/17 Front 120/70/17. These were street tires, the front has less than 1000 miles, and the rear has 3000 or so. -- Thanks!! Jay Goddard 1990 RC30, 1994 KDX200 1996 ZX-11, 1992 FZR600 1995 VFR750F 301-340-0886 Jay@XXXXXX www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 12:51:08 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:48:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Chris Norloff wrote: > > They must be out patrolling for all those dangerous, wreck-causing speeders at 1am on I-66 Yep, remember, it's for the children! Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 12:59:41 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:57:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Clutch issues. To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Fish Flowers wrote: > Any idea what the problem could be? Too much slack in the clutch lever, > perhaps? (I do have to pull the lever aaaaaallllll the way in to shift, > and if I let out just a bit of slack I start to move forward.) I had that issue for a while on my old '82 Suzook GS 850G - I couldn't find a sweet spot to set the clutch cable - too much one way, and it would slip if I gave it a handful of throttle, too much the other way, and it was hard to shift, would "pull" ahead slightly in first gear even with the clutch lever pulled all the way back to the bars, etc. Not knowing much about the history of the bike, I put new clutch friction plates in, and installed a new clutch cable. The old plates looked new even after 30,000 miles, I swapped them out anyway, but I think the new cable did the trick. Maybe the old one stretched a little bit? . I also thought my extra-thick cruiser style grips were gonna have to go, in favor of thinner ones, to give me that little extra bit of room for the clutch lever to pull back to the bar, but so far, I've been able to keep 'em on there. After riding behind all the plastic on the Connie for so long, it sure is nice, especially on hot days, to get out in the breeze and kill a few bugs with the helmet for a change. :) Good luck, Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 18:10:57 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Wheels Grinding Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:09:41 -0400 >From today's NYTimes, progress on the distracted-driver issue. T'would seem to raise accident-scene issues -- like how much info should be shared without counsel. Interesting to see how this plays out. [Wow. As I write, the news speaks of the car driven onto Redline Metro tracks near SS. Distracted?? Heat??] Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Incoming possible from anywhere. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. States to Help Track Cellphone-Caused Crashes http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/25/technology/25CELL.html (signin possibly required) WASHINGTON, June 24 - In an effort to track accidents caused by cellphone use, states are being asked to report crashes caused by distracted drivers. Federal highway safety agencies and the Governors Highway Safety Association, which represents state highway officials, developed the new guidelines, which were issued today. They ask the police to say whether a driver was distracted and if that distraction was caused by a cellphone, a radio, another passenger, another vehicle or something else. States are asked to collect a total of 111 pieces of information from each crash under voluntary guidelines. snip. . .. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 20:29:34 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: police sign Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:29:25 -0400 What's the sign for having seen a LEO? Typically when riding in a group, it's pushing down & back. I've also heard of tapping the top of your helmet. I'd think when trying to tell an oncoming biker of an LEO ahead it'd be easier for them to see taping your helmet. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 20:55:01 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:54:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: police sign At 08:29 PM 6/25/2003, rich hall wrote: >I'd think when trying to tell an oncoming biker of an LEO ahead it'd be >easier for them to see taping your helmet. If I saw that I wouldn't know what to think. I make the FIVE OH symbols. If they see it, they'll understand. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 21:26:58 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:26:18 -0400 From: lisagoddard Subject: I-66: Not safe for bikes, nor is Seven Locks Road in Potomac To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I am just getting wind of a motorcycle fatality that happened on Seven Locks Road in Potomac tonight. The passenger might survive. Young driver in a Suburban drifted over the line. Be careful out there! Lisa '95 VFR www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:48:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Chris Norloff wrote: > > They must be out patrolling for all those dangerous, wreck-causing speeders at 1am on I-66 Yep, remember, it's for the children! Hork From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 21:31:42 2003 From: "Rob Curtis" To: Subject: RE: police sign Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:31:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.187.145] at Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:31:31 -0500 Tapping the helmet: "Cop." Pushing down and back: "Slow down for road conditions/traffic." Pointing toe: "there's crap in the road." Left hand bouncing up and down: "Watch out for deer." Both hands bouncing up and down, toes pointed down and back while banging helmet: "Watch out I hit a deer." Robby C. -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 20:29 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: police sign What's the sign for having seen a LEO? Typically when riding in a group, it's pushing down & back. I've also heard of tapping the top of your helmet. I'd think when trying to tell an oncoming biker of an LEO ahead it'd be easier for them to see taping your helmet. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 22:58:47 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:58:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes I'm sorry, if no one else will say it, I will..... if you were doing 85-90mph in a 55 zone, you would have deserved a nite of free room and board on the taxpayers.... I'm sorry guys, you would be thrashing the crap out of some BDC in a mommy-van doing the same thing.... Look on it this way, the limits are there to keep you from running into the back of the mommy-van doing 35 on the interstate cuz she's talking on the cell phone.... my hook, for 'others', remember, its for the better of mankind.... sorry guys, last i checked, speed limits didnt only apply to 4wheel vehicles... quit ruining the reputation of everyone on 2 wheels or just take the damn medicine..... I hate speed limits, but thems the rules in an orderly society..... which, last I checked, was what put us one up on anarchy.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 23:11:59 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:37:31 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: police sign At 08:54 PM 6/25/03 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 08:29 PM 6/25/2003, rich hall wrote: >>I'd think when trying to tell an oncoming biker of an LEO ahead it'd be >>easier for them to see taping your helmet. > >If I saw that I wouldn't know what to think. I make the FIVE OH >symbols. If they see it, they'll understand. > In cars, it's flashing the headlights on and off. Unfortunately, we can't do that on most motorcycles anymore. Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red, STOC # 1157 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 23:28:56 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:27:54 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec799793e657c285fcb735b7accfff87bdeb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > I'm sorry, if no one else will say it, I will..... > > if you were doing 85-90mph in a 55 zone, you would have deserved a nite > of free room and board on the taxpayers.... > > I'm sorry guys, you would be thrashing the crap out of some BDC in a > mommy-van doing the same thing.... [Dave] A BDC totin' a 4,000 + mommy van at 85-90 carries a hell of a lot more kinetic energy than even a Goldwing, and said mommy van won't exactly stop on a dime nor do they draw the "enthusiast" driver crowd. In short, Mommy vans brake poorly, handle average for a cage and are more dangerous piloted by the typical cell phone yakking zombie pilot than any of Witold's exploits... At least he had the courtesy to misbehave in less crowded conditions, which cannot be said of most mommy van pilots. Now, maybe we can - and should - make the case that he was overdriving his headlight visibility, but a taxpayer sponsored stay at the grey bar hotel for 30-35 over, absent other circumstances doesn't "rise to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor"... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 23:38:24 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Clutch issues. On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, rich hall wrote: > Shoulda bought my Seca II, bulletproof, not bullet riddled like those 2 > you have. Yeah, I just can't resist that bullet-riddled look. Reminiscent of southside Chicago, don'tchaknow. Seriously, the reason I got into GS500s was that they were supposed to be die-hard (*ahem*) and bulletproof. Now that I've owned one or two, though, I've become quite a fan of the whole rat-bike look. You know, rip off the side fairings, slap on mismatched front fenders and tanks (or no fenders at all), a tankbag and tailbag... Hell, I may as well bungee a milk crate to the back. What astonishes me is that I still get a few compliments. "Nice motorcycle!" said one fine young thing last weekend as I pulled up at Sears. Perhaps any ol' motorcycle does it for some people... Fish. 91/92/9X GS500 "FrankenBike" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 23:54:47 2003 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:54:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Dave Yates wrote: >> [Dave] A BDC totin' a 4,000 + mommy van at 85-90 > carries a hell of a lot > more kinetic energy than > even a Goldwing, Yeah, cuz the several hundred thousand foot pounds of energy that it does have is surely not enough to rip through the side of a Geo Metro killing the driver. As we all know, the laws only apply to those OTHER people, not us. WE are perfectly capable of operating OUR vehicles in all conditions perfectly well and shoudl be afford the grace to do so. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 25 23:57:48 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:57:40 -0400 Witold, I'm guessing knows jail time starts at 90, so therefore, wasn't going over 90, so sorry but he won't be doing jail for that, nor do I feel he should IMHO. >From: Bruce Brownlee >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:58:42 -0400 > >I'm sorry, if no one else will say it, I will..... > >if you were doing 85-90mph in a 55 zone, you would have deserved a nite >of free room and board on the taxpayers.... > >I'm sorry guys, you would be thrashing the crap out of some BDC in a >mommy-van doing the same thing.... Look on it this way, the limits are >there to keep you from running into the back of the mommy-van doing 35 on >the interstate cuz she's talking on the cell phone.... > >my hook, for 'others', remember, its for the better of mankind.... > >sorry guys, last i checked, speed limits didnt only apply to 4wheel >vehicles... > >quit ruining the reputation of everyone on 2 wheels or just take the damn >medicine..... > >I hate speed limits, but thems the rules in an orderly society..... which, >last >I checked, was what put us one up on anarchy.... > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 01:46:11 2003 Subject: RE: I-66: Not safe for bikes Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:46:03 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Bruce Brownlee" , I definately respect your comment and I expected more of the same from others after I read my own post. ~90 in 55 does seem high, and it seems especially high during the night. I just wanted to send the post so that others that will be taking this road the next day will keep an eye out. Quite a few folks take that route on their commute to work, especially if the forecast appears absolutely flawless. I wanted to let everyone know that I don't take riding carelessly, and quite frankly, I would like to think I'm quite paranoid about my safety. About 98% of the time, I wear full leathers, best boots I can afford, and I just purchased a top-rated backprotector. (ear protection is also part of my standard gear... ) Certainly, I speed (often) and I even lanesplit a little bit. Maybe (probably?) these things will catch up to me one day, and no amount of gear will help me, but hey, it's my life and I hope to live it the way I like to. That night, that stretch of I-66 was really quite amicable to speeding. It may have been close to full moon, or maybe there was a lot of ambient light, but I could see clearly and pretty far ahead. On this stretch of I-66, the sides of the road are barriered off very well, so it would be quite an event if something ran out into my path. The few packets of cars I encountered, I passed going ~10mph faster. Last but not least, I definately wasn't pushing my personal limits. I rode faster than usual, and leaned a little more than usual because the conditions were so great, but I was't pushing my luck, so to say. Usually when I ride at night, one or more of these conditions are not met, so I generally don't like riding at night. As for me striking into a Geo Metro -- or perhaps an unlit broken down vehicle; yes, the risk is always there. That risk is increased with speed. But Geo Metro owners know that there's that minute chance that they could be struck by a tractor trailer and their vehicle crushed, just as they know that a bike could crash into them at excessive speed. They still ventured out onto the road knowing these risks, just as we all venture out into the road knowing that we could be hit in our car or while riding a bike. On the road, we - as drivers - are all a danger to one another. That said, if you can provide a few statistics about cars being struck by motorcycles under similar circumstances and sustaining notable damage, please do so. Maybe I'll rethink my position. But right now, I'm under the impression that the risk to the car driver is minute and these types of accidents are freakishly rare. On a sidenote, may I theorize that people would drive safer and more attentively if there were no speed limits and they knew, expected, and prepared for a vehicle, a truck, or a motorcycle blowing by them going twice as fast? When driving in Germany, for example, I know I was much more attentive and thoughful in my driving since I knew that at any moment, a Porshe could be approaching me going 200mph... I venture to say that abolishing speedl imits would not lead to anarchy. Let me end by saying that I command your restraint in going the speedlimit. God knows I couldn't do that myself, and quite frankly, I wouldn't want to. I've had many more close calls going the speedlimit than while going fast. Witold -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Brownlee [mailto:brownlee_b@XXXXXX] Sent: Wed 6/25/2003 10:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes I'm sorry, if no one else will say it, I will..... if you were doing 85-90mph in a 55 zone, you would have deserved a nite of free room and board on the taxpayers.... I'm sorry guys, you would be thrashing the crap out of some BDC in a mommy-van doing the same thing.... Look on it this way, the limits are there to keep you from running into the back of the mommy-van doing 35 on the interstate cuz she's talking on the cell phone.... my hook, for 'others', remember, its for the better of mankind.... sorry guys, last i checked, speed limits didnt only apply to 4wheel vehicles... quit ruining the reputation of everyone on 2 wheels or just take the damn medicine..... I hate speed limits, but thems the rules in an orderly society..... which, last I checked, was what put us one up on anarchy.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 07:13:39 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:12:24 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Bob Meyer CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police sign Bob Meyer wrote: > At 08:54 PM 6/25/03 -0400, Troutman wrote: > >At 08:29 PM 6/25/2003, rich hall wrote: > >>I'd think when trying to tell an oncoming biker of an LEO ahead it'd be > >>easier for them to see taping your helmet. > > > >If I saw that I wouldn't know what to think. I make the FIVE OH > >symbols. If they see it, they'll understand. > > > > In cars, it's flashing the headlights on and off. Unfortunately, we can't > do that on most motorcycles anymore. > > Bob Meyer > '92 Candy Glory Red, STOC # 1157 > "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible > warning. " And in Fairfax County, police have been known to cite motorists who use the flashing headlight warning for "improper use." Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 07:22:02 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:20:58 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services CC: Bruce Brownlee , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > I definately respect your comment and I expected more of the same from others after I read my own post. ~90 in 55 does seem high, and it seems especially high during the night. I just wanted to send the post so that others that will be taking this road the next day will keep an eye out. Quite a few folks take that route on their commute to work, especially if the forecast appears absolutely flawless. > > I wanted to let everyone know that I don't take riding carelessly, and quite frankly, I would like to think I'm quite paranoid about my safety. About 98% of the time, I wear full leathers, best boots I can afford, and I just purchased a top-rated backprotector. (ear protection is also part of my standard gear... ) Certainly, I speed (often) and I even lanesplit a little bit. Maybe (probably?) these things will catch up to me one day, and no amount of gear will help me, but hey, it's my life and I hope to live it the way I like to. > > That night, that stretch of I-66 was really quite amicable to speeding. It may have been close to full moon, or maybe there was a lot of ambient light, but I could see clearly and pretty far ahead. On this stretch of I-66, the sides of the road are barriered off very well, so it would be quite an event if something ran out into my path. The few packets of cars I encountered, I passed going ~10mph faster. Last but not least, I definately wasn't pushing my personal limits. I rode faster than usual, and leaned a little more than usual because the conditions were so great, but I was't pushing my luck, so to say. Usually when I ride at night, one or more of these conditions are not met, so I generally don't like riding at night. > > As for me striking into a Geo Metro -- or perhaps an unlit broken down vehicle; yes, the risk is always there. That risk is increased with speed. But Geo Metro owners know that there's that minute chance that they could be struck by a tractor trailer and their vehicle crushed, just as they know that a bike could crash into them at excessive speed. They still ventured out onto the road knowing these risks, just as we all venture out into the road knowing that we could be hit in our car or while riding a bike. On the road, we - as drivers - are all a danger to one another. That said, if you can provide a few statistics about cars being struck by motorcycles under similar circumstances and sustaining notable damage, please do so. Maybe I'll rethink my position. But right now, I'm under the impression that the risk to the car driver is minute and these types of accidents are freakishly rare. > > On a sidenote, may I theorize that people would drive safer and more attentively if there were no speed limits and they knew, expected, and prepared for a vehicle, a truck, or a motorcycle blowing by them going twice as fast? When driving in Germany, for example, I know I was much more attentive and thoughful in my driving since I knew that at any moment, a Porshe could be approaching me going 200mph... I venture to say that abolishing speedl imits would not lead to anarchy. > > Let me end by saying that I command your restraint in going the speedlimit. God knows I couldn't do that myself, and quite frankly, I wouldn't want to. I've had many more close calls going the speedlimit than while going fast. > > Witold A good point. Although I observe speed limits on urban/residential roads, attemping to stay at 55 on super-slabs is downright dangerous. I go with the flow, find those space cushion holes betwixt the socializing packs of BDCs, and often find the flow is 70+ MPH. The stretch of I-95 from here to Richmond is fast - like close to 80 at times to stay with the flow. My theory, don't be a slow moving obstruction, as in TARGET! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 07:49:26 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:42:15 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: police sign Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:12 AM 6/26/03 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >And in Fairfax County, police have been known to cite motorists who use the >flashing headlight warning for "improper use." I think they'd have a hard time making that stick if you really want to fight it. There have been a number of court decisions over the years upholding peoples' right to warn citizens about radar traps. It's called freedom of speech. Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red, STOC # 1157 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 07:59:47 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:58:44 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Bob Meyer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police sign Bob Meyer wrote: > At 07:12 AM 6/26/03 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: > > >And in Fairfax County, police have been known to cite motorists who use the > >flashing headlight warning for "improper use." > > I think they'd have a hard time making that stick if you really want to > fight it. There have been a number of court decisions over the years > upholding peoples' right to warn citizens about radar traps. It's called > freedom of speech. > > Bob Meyer > '92 Candy Glory Red, STOC # 1157 > "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible > warning. " Tickee stuck in this case, but it was a teen driver, one of my daughter's friends, and she didn't have the financial resources to hire a lawyer. It was a no points, modest fine tickee anyway. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 08:01:54 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: another one... Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:01:21 -0400 Burtonsville man dies in crash June 25, 2003 A Burtonsville man died Tuesday night when his motorcycle collided with a car at the entrance to a shopping center, Montgomery County Police reported. Kurt William August, 42, of the 4200 block of Dustin Road in Burtonsville, was traveling north on his motorcycle just past Route 198 just after 9 p.m. As the motorcycle approached the entrance to the Burtonsville Crossing Shopping Center, it struck the passenger side of a 1993 Ford Taurus driven by Matthew Herman Makovi, 19, of the 1200 block of Mimosa Lane in Silver Spring, according to police. The Taurus was turning left from southbound Route 29 into the shopping center at the time of the collision. August was thrown from his motorcycle and pronounced dead at the scene. Makovi was treated and released from a local hospital. A passenger in the Taurus, Danny Albaugh, 19, of the 1400 block of Castle Cliff Place in Silver Spring, was flown by helicopter to a trauma hospital where he is being treated for serious injuries. Police are investigating the causes of the crash. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 08:02:10 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: and another... this time probably a "squid" Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:01:35 -0400 Sorry, but this part of the road is basically straight but you shouldn't be going very fast because of the school, crosswalks and the number of lights and intersections. Anyone want to guess what the 2003 yamaha was... I'll put $20 on a R1... Shame that a 22 year old doesn't get a chance to learn their lesson first. Man dies from crash injuries E-Mail This Article by Kristen Milton Staff Writer June 25, 2003 A Montgomery Village man died of his injuries several days after he lost control of his motorcycle on a Germantown road. Police say Michael Aaron Linamen, 22, of the 10000 block of Forest View Place, was traveling north on Great Seneca Highway at about 3:18 p.m. June 10 when he lost control of his 2003 Yamaha motorcycle shortly before the intersection with Clopper Road. "The driver lost control, flipping the motorcycle into the air," said Officer Derek Baliles, a police spokesman. Linamen was taken to an area hospital, where he died June 17. Baliles said the cause of the crash is unknown since Linamen's injuries prevented police from completing an interview. The incident has been turned over to the police's Collision Reconstruction Unit, which will complete a report, he said. No other vehicles were involved in the incident and no charges have been filed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 08:03:11 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:03:05 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Wheels Grinding Exactly how are the police supposed to determine what distracted the driver? Seems like only self-reporting will work, and *that* won't work! Was I distracted on the phone? Nope; no sirree! I hit a motorcycle? Must not have seen him; darn invisible motorcycles! What's the first thing an SUV driver does after causing a rear-end collision? Hangs up the cellphone. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mobacc" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:09:41 -0400 >>From today's NYTimes, progress on the distracted-driver issue. T'would seem >to raise accident-scene issues -- like how much info should be shared >without counsel. Interesting to see how this plays out. > >[Wow. As I write, the news speaks of the car driven onto Redline Metro >tracks near SS. Distracted?? Heat??] > >Bill S. / DC >'99 VN750 > Incoming possible from anywhere. >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > >States to Help Track Cellphone-Caused Crashes >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/25/technology/25CELL.html (signin possibly >required) > >WASHINGTON, June 24 - In an effort to track accidents caused by cellphone >use, states are being asked to report crashes caused by distracted drivers. > >Federal highway safety agencies and the Governors Highway Safety >Association, which represents state highway officials, developed the new >guidelines, which were issued today. > >They ask the police to say whether a driver was distracted and if that >distraction was caused by a cellphone, a radio, another passenger, another >vehicle or something else. >States are asked to collect a total of 111 pieces of information from each >crash under voluntary guidelines. > >snip. . .. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 08:25:02 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:22:21 -0400 From: Skip To: Todd Withrow CC: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes Todd Withrow wrote: > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > >> [Dave] A BDC totin' a 4,000 + mommy van at 85-90 > > carries a hell of a lot > > more kinetic energy than > > even a Goldwing, > > Yeah, cuz the several hundred thousand foot pounds of > energy that it does have is surely not enough to rip > through the side of a Geo Metro killing the driver. > > As we all know, the laws only apply to those OTHER > people, not us. WE are perfectly capable of operating > OUR vehicles in all conditions perfectly well and > shoudl be afford the grace to do so. Ask everyone you know if they're a 'better than average' driver. Dollars to donuts tey all say they are. some of them are lying. --skip better than average. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 08:29:20 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:26:56 -0400 From: Skip To: "William J. Huson" CC: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , Bruce Brownlee , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > > Let me end by saying that I command your restraint in going the speedlimit. God knows I couldn't do that myself, and quite frankly, I wouldn't want to. I've had many more close calls going the speedlimit than while going fast. > > > > Witold > > A good point. Although I observe speed limits on urban/residential roads, attemping to stay at 55 on super-slabs is downright dangerous. I go with the flow, find those space cushion holes betwixt the socializing packs of BDCs, and often find the flow is 70+ MPH. The stretch of I-95 from here to Richmond is fast - like close to 80 at times to stay with the flow. My theory, don't be a slow moving obstruction, as in TARGET! My wife was involved in an accident and in order to not get points and fines, she had to take the driver ed course offered at NOVA. the instructor said, "you are less likely to be involved in an accident if you are gooing with the flow of traffic, however, that doen'st mean you won't get a ticket." --skip ticketed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 08:41:32 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:39:06 -0400 From: Skip To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes Skip wrote: > > My wife was involved in an accident and in order to not get points and > fines, she had to take the driver ed course offered at NOVA. the > instructor said, "you are less likely to be involved in an accident if > you are gooing with the flow of traffic, however, that doen'st mean you > won't get a ticket." that should have been "going". --skip stupid fingers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 08:46:09 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:46:01 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: police sign To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>And in Fairfax County, police have been known to cite >motorists who use the flashing headlight warning >for "improper use." > > >I think they'd have a hard time making that stick if you >really want to fight it. There have been a number of court >decisions over the years upholding peoples' right to warn >citizens about radar traps. It's called >freedom of speech. [Dave] My former neighbor in Accokeek was charged with warning others of a radar trap in PG county, stopped, cited, detained, searched etc... She went to court, and the case was dismissed. The judge was none too happy, because it was clear the officer was bullying a woman (PG county police - fairly common behavior). He advised her that she should file a complaint with the officer's commander. He was given a commendation until Dr. Gridlock got wind of it, and published the story in the Post. She eventually got an apology for the officer's misbehavior from the chief. The rub was that she was charged with 'highbeaming' oncoming traffic, however, in MD, flashing high beams and not leaving them on - for whatever reason - was not prohibited by law... Of course, as we all know, Fairfax County Police (management and _some_ officers) make the "law" up as they go along, so the law is a "living document" as far as Fairfax is concerned. Who knows what you'd be charged with for high beam flashing here... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 09:04:51 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:03:42 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police sign Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] My former neighbor in Accokeek was charged with > warning others of a radar trap in PG county, stopped, cited, > detained, searched etc... She went to court, and the case > was dismissed. The judge was none too happy, because it was > clear the officer was bullying a woman (PG county police - > fairly common behavior). He advised her that she should file > a complaint with the officer's commander. He was given a > commendation until Dr. Gridlock got wind of it, and published > the story in the Post. She eventually got an apology for the > officer's misbehavior from the chief. The rub was that she > was charged with 'highbeaming' oncoming traffic, however, in > MD, flashing high beams and not leaving them on - for > whatever reason - was not prohibited by law... > > Of course, as we all know, Fairfax County Police (management > and _some_ officers) make the "law" up as they go along, so > the law is a "living document" as far as Fairfax is > concerned. Who knows what you'd be charged with for high > beam flashing here... > Dave Yates Har har har, the law a living document in Fairfax County. Picture this, a young female has a few drinks at the pub and gets the giggles. *snick-snick* yep, the Drunk in Public SWAT team nails her for DIP! In a bar. And what would happen is she ventured to close to a chilly air conditioner vent? *sprong* Oh my, could she be busted for "highbeaming* the bar patrons? The mind boggles... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 09:26:48 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , Subject: Re: police sign Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:28:58 -0400 Criminy, is this the same PG County PD that locked up those women from Arizona 'cuz they didn't realize the time stamps on a surveillance camera were not synchronized with the time stamp on an ATM. Now getting to the issue at hand, the cops tell us that they run radar and do traffic stops in the interest of safety. So, if someone flashes hi-beams and "spreads the word," more motorists slow down, thereby promoting safe motoring. Right? Hey, mission accomplished in my book, unless you're one of those cynics out there. ;-) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > > [Dave] My former neighbor in Accokeek was charged with > warning others of a radar trap in PG county, stopped, cited, > detained, searched etc... She went to court, and the case > was dismissed. The judge was none too happy, because it was > clear the officer was bullying a woman (PG county police - > fairly common behavior). ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 09:32:45 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:32:29 -0400 From: Tom de To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police sign Paul Wilson wrote: >Now getting to the issue at hand, the cops tell us that they run radar and >do traffic stops in the interest of safety. So, if someone flashes hi-beams >and "spreads the word," more motorists slow down, thereby promoting safe >motoring. Right? Hey, mission accomplished in my book, unless you're one >of those cynics out there. ;-) > > I agree, But remember if you preform this "service" for them, they can't collect the fine... and the officer can't meet their quota. Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 09:37:20 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:35:20 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Better'n average skip reminded us: >Ask everyone you know if they're a 'better than average' >driver. Dollars to donuts tey all say they are. > >some of them are lying. [Dave] Just_some ? Depends on the circumstances, and the nut behind the steering wheel & handle bars. I *suck* driving in accumulated snow. Anything. front wheel, four wheel, rear wheel drive makes nary a difference, so if there is ever accumulating snow, give anything that I am even close to a wide berth... Since I know this, I avoid snow driving at all costs. Motorcycling has taught me to handle rain much better than I used to in everything I operate. Smooth inputs make for better progress. I think I'm an average vehicle operator in the rain, probably better on the bike. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 09:41:55 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: I-66: Not safe for bikes Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:41:20 -0400 Its also not that easy to judge IMO. I think I have above average skills in car control (a couple of years in racing will teach you a lot). But I have a tendency to drive faster and more aggressively than I need too. Probably have a greater risk of being or causing an accident because of that. So am I an above average driver because of my skills or average because my skills can't make up for my driving habits? I don't use a cell phone, so does that help? I also pay attention 99% of the time to driving when driving unlike the general population... -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:35 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes > > > Better'n average skip reminded us: > >Ask everyone you know if they're a 'better than average' > >driver. Dollars to donuts tey all say they are. > > > >some of them are lying. > > [Dave] Just_some ? Depends on the circumstances, and the > nut behind the steering wheel & handle bars. > > I *suck* driving in accumulated snow. Anything. front > wheel, four wheel, rear wheel drive makes nary a difference, > so if there is ever accumulating snow, give anything that I > am even close to a wide berth... Since I know this, I avoid > snow driving at all costs. > > Motorcycling has taught me to handle rain much better than I > used to in everything I operate. Smooth inputs make for > better progress. I think I'm an average vehicle operator in > the rain, probably better on the bike. > Dave Yates > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 10:12:12 2003 Subject: Inspection From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 26 Jun 2003 10:07:30 -0400 My inspection is up this month and I've been dreading the Saturday lines. Yesterday, in a fit of silliness, I stopped by Coleman's in Woodbridge for my inspection. Hey, it's a safety inspection and they can't sell me something so there's nothing in it for them to fail anything. The guy in front of me needed to spend $70 or so on brakes. Anyway, the service guy walked up to the bike and, puzzled, asked me how to turn it on (he needed the mileage [14,444]). I guess they just have a mechanic come out to check the bikes. The service guy went back into the shop and grabbed the mechanic who used to work at a Harley dealership. The rear brake pads are borderline as is the rear tire. I figured the tire was close but I hadn't caught the brakes (about an eighth of an inch or a little less). I was going to take it to the dealer next month anyway for a full check out before heading out to Boise and for the 15k checkup. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 10:12:59 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:11:06 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: I-66: Not safe for bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Jim: >... I think I have above average >skills in car control (a couple of years in racing will >teach you a lot). But I have a tendency to drive faster and >more aggressively than I need too. Probably have a greater >risk of being or causing an accident because of that. > >So am I an above average driver because of my skills or >average because my skills can't make up for my driving >habits? [Dave] I've open tracked, and been to a Car Guys track school at Summit point. I think it would be accurate to say I am a more skilled driver, but not necessarily "better than average" because, like you, I drive faster in most circumstances, and more aggressively. I'd say that lumps me in with the vast majority of the driving public. Maybe I'm just more efficient at being an average driver... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 10:13:06 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:13:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Next you are going to tell us that you've never gone 85-90 before, right? Going to jail for speeding alone is ridiculous. Glenn --- Bruce Brownlee wrote: > I'm sorry, if no one else will say it, I will..... > > if you were doing 85-90mph in a 55 zone, you would > have deserved a nite > of free room and board on the taxpayers.... > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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As long as you stop to let the cop write you a ticket, it should be a ticket. -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 11:54:54 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:52:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: OT -- good stuff To: DC Cycles Almost as good as: http://www.rathergood.com/gaybar/ On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Skip wrote: > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:04:09 -0400 > From: Skip > To: DC Cycles > Subject: OT -- good stuff > > very funny. > > works safe, despite the domain name. > > http://gaybetamax.co.uk/quicktime2.html > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 12:19:29 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: and another... this time probably a "squid" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX squids come from the ranks of the Chicago Bulls, too. J Williams or something like that decided he wanted to auger into a pole last week. Probably ruined his career for good. Idiot! What's ironic is that there are TWO motorcycle riding schools within 1 block of the stadium. We would have been happy to teach him. ===== * Love, not time, heals all wounds. * No one is perfect until you fall in love with them. And then when they aren't perfect anymore, love makes them perfect again. * Everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it * You can not forgive unless you first love. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 12:42:19 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:45:04 -0400 Hmmm, that has me thinking. Dangerous, I know. Many motorcyclists with regular track experience lose their taste for balls-out riding on the street and choose to tone it down. I wonder if the same is true with cage enthusiasts? Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > > [Dave] I've open tracked, and been to a Car Guys track > school at Summit point. I think it would be accurate to say > I am a more skilled driver, but not necessarily "better than > average" because, like you, I drive faster in most > circumstances, and more aggressively. I'd say that lumps me > in with the vast majority of the driving public. Maybe I'm > just more efficient at being an average driver... > > > Dave Yates > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 14:17:41 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:17:35 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT -- good stuff Yeah, but George Bush & Tony Blair are A LOT scarier! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Daniel H. Brown" Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:52:39 -0400 (EDT) > >Almost as good as: > >http://www.rathergood.com/gaybar/ > > > >On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Skip wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:04:09 -0400 >> From: Skip >> To: DC Cycles >> Subject: OT -- good stuff >> >> very funny. >> >> works safe, despite the domain name. >> >> http://gaybetamax.co.uk/quicktime2.html >> >> > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 26 22:59:54 2003 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:51:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes Cc: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , dc-cycles@XXXXXX ok, it was late.... in retrospect, it was more the discussion, rather than the act that irritated me.... I was expecting to feel sorry for some poor rider that had nearly been killed on I-66 by a stupid driver.... instead, the "not safe" meant "you'll get a ticket if you speed". My problem wasnt with Witold, but rather having to slog thru dozens of emails about how "the man is out to get me". the average headlight illuminates about 160'. It takes about 1/2 second to identify a hazard. In that time, you have covered 125'. About 1/2 second passes before your mind can resolve the situation. About half way thru "Oh Sh..", you hit it. Add a little fatigue, it was 1am, and you can lengthen all that. I think more accurately, the subject should have been "I'm not safe for I-66" No one who rides with me will accuse me of riding slow, but as a matter of personal responsibility, we should accept the penalty when we break the law. Reckless driving and eluding would not have sat well with any insurance co. I can safely say I dont ride at those speeds. Maybe I've seen too many stupid stunts by cagers and squids to want to. but yeah, i speed. all the time. I should have chosen my words better last nite. the libertarian side of me says speed limits are too low (we are not 'good enough' to rate european speeds) but unlike most other libertarians, I accept responsibility. sometimes that involves pulling out the checkbook..... for every experienced rider a cop pulls over for reckless, I bet he will get a couple that dont even have a license. how is he (or the written law) supposed to differentiate? If you have an MSF or race card, reckless jumps from 80 to 100? its a safe bet there are more stupid riders (and drivers) than good ones. Otherwise half of em 6' under wouldnt have involved alcohol. When the cop flips on the lights, he doesnt know if he's protecting you from yourself or protecting someone else. remember, most bike crashes are single vehicle with judgement being the primary reason. I've said before here, riders need to quit being so arrogant and get a grip on reality. I'd rather ride 80mph between 2 SUVs with phones than go on a group ride. Chances are MUCH better that we will complete our encounter without a crash. the difference between a normal group ride and a 'relaxed' ride is usually a 'relaxed' ride only involves single rider crashes. Theres a reason why speeding penalties are graduated. They present a larger and larger danger to the offender and innocent bystanders. Theres a kid on my street who races a little 50cc dirt bike up and down the street in a t-shirt and shorts (he started wearing a helmet recently). I dont want to be the first one on the scene when he crashes that 'spectacularly maintained machine'. I can be 'hurt' even though i'm not involved. It can be startling to be passed by 3 squids on crotch rockets at 100mph when you are ambling along at 60mph in a 55 zone. lots of stuff happen real fast at 90mph. controlling the urge and leveling out at 80mph will probably just get you a fine, and in Loudoun, you'll walk with just court costs. Over that, you arent really being much of a 'team player' in the game of society. Dont be lulled into thinking that you can handle the speed. I am still seeing deer dead on the road in the weirdest places. Not to mention, you are relying on other drivers not to do something stupid. that, in itself, is moronic..... so, sorry to witold for coming unglued. Bruce (who rides a bike AND drives an SUV) (the term 'you', as used here, is meant to identify the collective, to include me, not any individual) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 00:57:58 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:52:28 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent Witold witticized... >....I venture to say that abolishing speed limits would not lead to anarchy. Right on. Some states did get rid of the speed limit but lost federal funding because of it. Eliminating the speed limit is not even necessary. Put the speed limit up to 75, like it is in much of the midwest/west, and I really don't know anyone who'd complain about being able to cruise legally at 85 as too slow. And yes I know there are differences between the roads and conditions out there and here and all that. More than this though I think there's a deeper social phenomenon operating here. It's a popular party line that has been sold to law swallowing citizen lemmings that the lack of a law instantly means anarchy so I'd like to say this: TOTAL BULL SHIT. Why? Because looong before there were highly formalized systems of government there were people who managed to live together without being told where and when and why they can't do the simplest things. It's a small mind that thinks the past 3000 years of history is ALL of history. "Man" has been around for hundreds of thousands of years before we could even write. At the risk of being unpopular to a different crowd, the same is true for religion...especially monotheistic ones. Before there was any form of recorded history some form of man managed to live without highly organized religions and have manged to make it this far. The lack of a religon also doesn't lead to total anarchy - or even a lack of morality - but to believe this would deal a fatal blow to the deeply rooted belief system of millions of people for almost 2000 years. If not anarchy then what would you then have? Supposing someone did have the stomach to honestly and without _fear_ approach such a question - and I believe many people today don't - the answer is quite simple: Look out your window. Bruce flambasted... >quit runining the reputation of everyone on 2 wheels or just take the damn medicine. Yeah and praise the Lord too as I'm supposed to be living from birth in original sin and this life is nothing but a valley of tears. What a crock. I was briefly doing 90mph on I-66 tonight coming home in low traffic with driving lamps a-blazin' and I'm usually the first one to stop and help someone else by the roadside who needs it; bike or cage it doesn't really matter because it's all about people. What ya gonna do now? How ya gonna categorize me? I know you'd like to. ;) Stir it up...YEEEHAW! :^P Carlo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 06:00:14 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent To: Carl Parker , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" --- Carl Parker wrote: > Witold witticized... > > >....I venture to say that abolishing speed limits > would not lead to > anarchy. > > Right on. Some states did get rid of the speed > limit but lost federal > funding because of it. Nice to know that you recognize that the Feds blackmail the states into waiveing the 10th Amendment, and yet you hold the local LEO accountable for jailtime that a judge imposes in accordance to the code passed by the state legislature. > It's a popular party line that has > been sold to law > swallowing citizen lemmings that the lack of a law > instantly means > anarchy so I'd like to say this: > > TOTAL BULL SHIT. Why? Because looong before there > were highly formalized > systems of government there were people who managed > to live together > without being told where and when and why they can't > do the simplest > things. I'll agree that the local gov't of some rural Montana town could walk out and not be missed. If you think that communal attitude that works with a population of 300, will also work with a population of 3 million, then you are being foolish. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 09:03:38 2003 Subject: RE: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent From: Carl Schelin To: Carl Parker Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: 27 Jun 2003 08:59:07 -0400 On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:52, Carl Parker wrote: > Witold witticized... > TOTAL BULL SHIT. Why? Because looong before there were highly formalized > systems of government there were people who managed to live together > without being told where and when and why they can't do the simplest > things. It's a small mind that thinks the past 3000 years of history is > ALL of history. "Man" has been around for hundreds of thousands of > years before we could even write. > Much of it was with a much smaller group of people. If the guy in the SUV that cut you off also helped with the barn raising at your place on Saturday or the soccer mom on the phone that's on your ass now brought pie to your place when your wife was sick, would you flip him/her off or would you "have a talk" with them later? And what's the likelyhood of them cutting you off if they know your wife? We're much too isolated even in our communities. Many people couldn't name their immediate neighbors (in a square around your house; next door, across the street and kitty-corner) much less someone farther away. I'm just as bad in that respect. I know Doug and Bill but only Doug's family including many personal things. Most of us know more about our co-workers than our neighbors. Peer-pressure turned into laws when communities got too large. > At the risk of being unpopular to a different crowd, the same is true > for religion...especially monotheistic ones. Before there was any form > of recorded history some form of man managed to live without highly > organized religions and have manged to make it this far. The lack of a > religon also doesn't lead to total anarchy - or even a lack of morality > - but to believe this would deal a fatal blow to the deeply rooted > belief system of millions of people for almost 2000 years. > Wow, that's a really large tar-baby and I'll just stand over here at watch :-) > Yeah and praise the Lord too as I'm supposed to be living from birth in > original sin and this life is nothing but a valley of tears. What a > crock. I was briefly doing 90mph on I-66 tonight coming home in low > traffic with driving lamps a-blazin' and I'm usually the first one to > stop and help someone else by the roadside who needs it; bike or cage it > doesn't really matter because it's all about people. What ya gonna do > now? How ya gonna categorize me? I know you'd like to. ;) > For me, 75 is cruising speed. 80 makes me uncomfortable and the few times I get to 90 is passing speed. > Stir it up...YEEEHAW! :^P > Carlo ObjBikes: A few weeks ago (June 11th) I ordered _another_ Corbin seat. Yes, even after the fiasco last time. It came in Wednesday and, of course, I immediately took off the old seat and put the new one on. Since it's new, the seat was a little uncomfortable yesterday. Today it was a little better. There's supposed to be a 2000 mile break-in period. In addition, I ordered a small backrest so Rita can sit on the back. It's a small seat. My ass was hanging over when I sat there :-/ I may have to jettison my backrest so Rita's comfortable. The tool sets I ordered will be here Monday according to the UPS tracking site. Yea, I know. I could have just gathered together the necessary tools but what fun is money if you can't spend it ;-) Later, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 09:55:01 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Harley Airplane To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX "If Harley made an airplane, would you fly in it?" http://www.hog-air.com/specs.htm Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 11:23:50 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Ratbikes, was Re: Clutch issues. Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:25:36 -0400 True, but Fish has one of the best ventilated rectifier/regulators I've seen on a bike in quite some time. :) Ratbikes can be quite economical transportation, at least compared to other bikes. For instance, on my VF500F the tires are much cheaper than on my "enthusiast" bike, the VFR. And I can get by with other less expensive components. Used bodywork that needs repainting off eBay instead of new bodywork with OEM paint. Replacement turn signals from Lockhart Philips instead of OEM, etc. Unfortunately, I'm not sure the economies of scale in the motorcycle industry make a rat bike comparable to a rat car. Still, if you look at the whole transportation picture for a household, having bikes means we don't need two cars. And in DC, I can insure two bikes for less than one car. This of course, discounts the grin factor. Hard to obtain on the Metro. Now, I need to find the perfect rat bike. Dual-sport suspension for DC pot holes, knobby tires for the winter, shaft drive, enough electrical output for additional lights and 'lectric clothing, plenty of oomph for the freeways.... I've been thinking about a KLR650, which meets all the criteria, 'cept shaft drive. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > > What astonishes me is that I still get a few compliments. "Nice > motorcycle!" said one fine young thing last weekend as I pulled up at > Sears. Perhaps any ol' motorcycle does it for some people... > > Fish. > 91/92/9X GS500 "FrankenBike" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 13:02:15 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:16:34 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: Todd Withrow CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Was I-66: Not safe, now mostly tangent Todd tickled.... > Nice to know that you recognize that the Feds > blackmail the states into waiveing the 10th Amendment, > and yet you hold the local LEO accountable for > jailtime that a judge imposes in accordance to the > code passed by the state legislature. Right but the federal limit is 75. Keeping speed limits aritficially low at 55, where they were set some 30 years ago for different reasons, is a different matter. > I'll agree that the local gov't of some rural Montana > town could walk out and not be missed. If you think > that communal attitude that works with a population of > 300, will also work with a population of 3 million, > then you are being foolish. See, I knew some people wouldn't be ready to approach the question. I don't deny that it wouldn't work in this day and age but there are other days and ages where there will be much fewer people and even fewer opinions. BTW it's not just rural Montana (and I've recently spent a bit of time in rural Montana) but in most of the world. If you travel outside of the US into someplace besides Western Europe, you'll know that. While I suppose I believe that quality (of relationships or otherwise) doesn't scale, the issue of relationships between people isn't necessarily entirely a problem of quantity (i.e. 3 million vs. 300) but an issue of what people expect from one another and the _value_ they put into others. This is a cultural, societal, and generational issue as well not just a matter of "how many people." What you're saying is that if I walk into a crowd of 3 million people then I NEED to have laws such that I don't go stark raving mad and start blowing up the place just becasue I'm around alot of people. When I go into a crowd, or large community, or whatever you want, as an individual that makes up the crowd I bring with me a set of values/attitudes about where I am and the people I'm with. Should I need to rely on an external governing agency to protect me "for I am such a helpless little citizen" or should I rely on the things I have experienced in my life to understand, communicate, and co-habitat with the people - and more importantly, world - around me? The insecurity and relative level of fear within the individual is NOT directly a function of the quantity of people but of the societal beliefs propogated withing the community. IF, and this is where I agree it becomes next to impossible in the immediate era, we could RE-realize the 300 person community "feeling" (which is still present in some people...even in the largest citites) in the 3 million person situation then we'd have a different world all together eh?...and my guess is much more pleasant. Turn on the local news and fear it all - this is greatly American! Fear terroroism - CODE RED! Air quality - CODE RED!!! What secrets are your neighbors hiding? You know that pool of water in your bird bath out back is sure to be the start of a west nile virus epedemic and it's all YOUR fault. One could never begin to imagine how exposure to this kind of culturation over several years can effect their beliefs and attitudes towards their world and the people in it. It breeds excessive cynicism (which perhaps I also havent' escaped) not only about other people and the world but also about oneself; what a wretched way to live a finite life full of possibility and wonder! If one reads someone who is serious about their work and life, its does the reader much discredit to read them poorly. If yet another generation of small minded poor readers - bent on seeking agruement and not discussion because fear and _disbelief_ is the rule and not exception- is allowed to propogate then many things I have said thusfar will unfortunatly show further signs of coming to fruition; I would be all too happy to be wrong...but this, I assure you, is not foolishness! Anytime, Carlo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 13:09:41 2003 From: To: Carl Parker , Todd Withrow CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Was I-66: Not safe, now mostly tangent Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:09:34 -0400 > > If one reads someone who is serious about their work and life, its does the reader much > discredit to read them poorly. If yet another generation of small minded poor readers - bent > on seeking agruement and not discussion because fear and _disbelief_ is the rule and not > exception- is allowed to propogate then many things I have said thusfar will unfortunatly show > further signs of coming to fruition; I would be all too happy to be wrong...but this, I assure > you, is not foolishness! > Fuck em. Kill em all and start fresh. AND WILL SOMEONE *PLEASE* ANSWER THE DAMN DOORBELL??!!??!! 8-p -AKI From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 13:20:43 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:45:15 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: Carl Schelin CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent Carl cracked: > Much of it was with a much smaller group of people. If the guy in the > SUV that cut you off also helped with the barn raising at your place on > Saturday or the soccer mom on the phone that's on your ass now brought > pie to your place when your wife was sick, would you flip him/her off or > would you "have a talk" with them later? And what's the likelyhood of > them cutting you off if they know your wife? Good illlustration of the point. Chances are you'd just be like: "Oh there's Sally driving too fast again." and then let her pass and not think anything of it. Even with strangers this is the attitude to have to not only stay sane but also safe on the highways. The less mentally and emotionally distracted you are from the road and your ride, the better. > We're much too isolated even in our communities. Many people couldn't > name their immediate neighbors (in a square around your house; next > door, across the street and kitty-corner) much less someone farther > away. I'm just as bad in that respect. I know Doug and Bill but only > Doug's family including many personal things. I agree, and that's part of the problem. If you haven't read Zen and the Art it definitely worth reading and talks exactly about this. It's entirely possible to address this though but running around like our perverbial headless chickens trying to stay on time to this meeting or that soccer game really doesn't afford us the "luxury" of knowing our neighbors. > Most of us know more about our co-workers than our neighbors. > Peer-pressure turned into laws when communities got too large. This raises an interesting point...there has to be some kind of historical study to the evolution of "laws". I think the formalized legal system we have now roots back mainly to the Roman/Greek empires. Taxes, in the modern sense, I think also became popular in the Roman empire. > For me, 75 is cruising speed. 80 makes me uncomfortable and the few > times I get to 90 is passing speed. Oh yeah, as long as I can do 75 while I'm trying to make distance I don't complain. Certain bikes thought have their sweet spots a bit higher and almost gravitate up there. I think it all depends on the rider, the bike they choose, and what they're looking for in a ride. Ultimately it doesn't matter how or what you ride just that you ride safely and have fun! There's plenty of time for trash talkin' and tall tales at the Roadhouses. ;) > ObjBikes: A few weeks ago (June 11th) I ordered _another_ Corbin seat. Yes, > even after the fiasco last time. It came in Wednesday and, of course, I > immediately took off the old seat and put the new one on. Since it's new, > the seat was a little uncomfortable yesterday. Today it was a little better. > There's supposed to be a 2000 mile break-in period. I'd be willing to help you take care of that pesky 2000 mile break-in over the course of a weekend! We can get our BunBurner1500 cert while we're at it. ;) Damn hot out here... Carlo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 13:23:01 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:10:35 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: DCCycles Subject: Anyone riding this weekend??? Should be an excellent weekend to ride. I was planning on doing Carter's Run...anyone else heading out? Carlo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 13:24:19 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:08:10 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: adamme1@XXXXXX, DCCycles Subject: Re: Was I-66: Not safe, now mostly tangent Aki ached... > Fuck em. Kill em all and start fresh. LOL no joke! That's another way to do it and certainly it can happen...it has before. > AND WILL SOMEONE *PLEASE* ANSWER THE DAMN DOORBELL??!!??!! Heheh...you first. ;^P Carlo "Wondering when Yellowstone will explode" Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 13:50:45 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Carl Parker , DCCycles Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:51:03 -0500 I am onboard!!! Whats carters run? I got a sporty bike so long cruises aren't for me. My butt starts hurting after 3 hours :) Maybe it's the bike, but it's probaly my butt being too big :p Rob On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:10:35 -0400, Carl Parker wrote > Should be an excellent weekend to ride. I was planning on doing > Carter's Run...anyone else heading out? > > Carlo -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 13:51:06 2003 Subject: RE: Anyone riding this weekend??? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:50:58 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Carl Parker" , "DCCycles" I hope that tomorrow will be the first time I explore WV on my bike. (I have never been to WV, bike or car.) I plan to base my ride around Rt33, 34... Or I will follow Dccycles ride sheets for WV. I still haven't figured it out. -Witold > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 1:11 PM > To: DCCycles > Subject: Anyone riding this weekend??? > > > Should be an excellent weekend to ride. I was planning on doing > Carter's Run...anyone else heading out? > > Carlo > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 14:08:27 2003 Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 27 Jun 2003 14:03:48 -0400 On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 12:45, Carl Parker wrote: > Carl cracked: > > I agree, and that's part of the problem. If you haven't read Zen and the Art it > definitely worth reading and talks exactly about this. I've read it but it was long ago and my comprehension skills still suck :-) > > ObjBikes: A few weeks ago (June 11th) I ordered _another_ Corbin seat. Yes, > > even after the fiasco last time. It came in Wednesday and, of course, I > > immediately took off the old seat and put the new one on. Since it's new, > > the seat was a little uncomfortable yesterday. Today it was a little better. > > There's supposed to be a 2000 mile break-in period. > > I'd be willing to help you take care of that pesky 2000 mile break-in over the > course of a weekend! We can get our BunBurner1500 cert while we're at it. ;) > Actually we're driving across this country and Canada in August so it'll be well broken in, thanks. And since the wife is, at most, riding half way, I should be able to get one or more of the certs. It'll be 3k out and 4k back. Home -> Cincinnati -> Lansing MI -> Black Hills -> Moscow ID -> Boise ID Boise -> Denver CO -> Thunder Bay CN -> Salem Maine -> Boston -> Home Tentative routes. Subject to change (Lansing and Moscow are out if no wife; visiting her friends). > Damn hot out here... Ran out to Crystal City for a Chipotle's run. 11 orders (two bols) which fit in my Oxford Sports tailbag with room for two more. Tips paid for gas, parking and my lunch. > Carlo Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 14:18:58 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:07:50 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: Rob Sharp CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Well I run for 200-250 mile days on a weekend jaunt. You can always turn off whenever you want to though. I'm trying to get a freind into a new rear tire before tomorrow so might have to leave a bit later in the morning. I'll be sure to post some kind of meeting time before the end of the day. Iron Butts take conditioning by long cruises...its just time in the saddle. Although a comfortable saddle certainly does help too. What do you ride? Carlo Rob Sharp wrote: > I am onboard!!! > > Whats carters run? I got a sporty bike so long cruises aren't for me. My > butt starts hurting after 3 hours :) Maybe it's the bike, but it's probaly my > butt being too big :p > > Rob > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:10:35 -0400, Carl Parker wrote > > Should be an excellent weekend to ride. I was planning on doing > > Carter's Run...anyone else heading out? > > > > Carlo > > -- > Rob Sharp > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 14:23:08 2003 Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:00 -0500 From: To: , Yes Sunday...maybe a little loop up and around the Monongahela National forest in West VA. George >>> Carl Parker 06/27/03 01:10PM >>> Should be an excellent weekend to ride. I was planning on doing Carter's Run...anyone else heading out? Carlo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 14:51:53 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , , Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:52:12 -0400 Guys, I wouldn't mind a little shakedown cruise on the VFR before I begin my big blow-out trip to points west after the Fourth. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? > Yes Sunday...maybe a little loop up and around the Monongahela National > forest > in West VA. > > George > > > >>> Carl Parker 06/27/03 01:10PM >>> > Should be an excellent weekend to ride. I was planning on doing > Carter's Run...anyone else heading out? > > Carlo > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 14:53:50 2003 Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 27 Jun 2003 14:49:13 -0400 On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 13:10, Carl Parker wrote: > Should be an excellent weekend to ride. I was planning on doing > Carter's Run...anyone else heading out? > If my backrest shows up we may make it. Rita needs to try out the new seat before committing to August. > Carlo > Car; From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 15:12:12 2003 Subject: Tree Down From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 27 Jun 2003 15:07:34 -0400 My wife just called. She was working stained glass and it started thundering. After a bit there was a house shaking bolt. She looked out back and one of the trees on our hill had been hit by lightning and fallen. The tree's about 60' tall (well, long :-) and came down behind our shed with the crown on the neighbor's fence. She said there's a shitload of wood shards in the yard. I told Rita to get lots of pics, mainly of the fence since we'll have to repair it if it's damaged. Anyone got a chainsaw and a few free hours tomorrow? If I can't locate a chain saw, I'll be hitting Home Depot for an inexpensive one. I do have a reciprecating saw, a circular saw and a jigsaw. Should be fun ;-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 15:13:12 2003 Subject: Oh yea From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 27 Jun 2003 15:08:33 -0400 I'm in Dale City if I haven't said it enough already ;-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 15:21:20 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Paul Wilson" , , , Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:21:37 -0500 yeah we need some more single sided swing arms bikes out this weekend. Count me in. Does someone want to set the date/time/place. I am in Rockville, MD. Rob 1988 Hawk GT (Blue) On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:52:12 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote > Guys, I wouldn't mind a little shakedown cruise on the VFR before I > begin my big blow-out trip to points west after the Fourth. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? > > > Yes Sunday...maybe a little loop up and around the Monongahela National > > forest > > in West VA. > > > > George > > > > > > >>> Carl Parker 06/27/03 01:10PM >>> > > Should be an excellent weekend to ride. I was planning on doing > > Carter's Run...anyone else heading out? > > > > Carlo > > > > -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 15:27:42 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:08:26 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: Paul Wilson CC: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Sweet...sign me up for Monongahelamonster, WVa on Sunday. Any meeting time/places??? Carlo Paul Wilson wrote: > Guys, I wouldn't mind a little shakedown cruise on the VFR before I begin my > big blow-out trip to points west after the Fourth. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? > > > Yes Sunday...maybe a little loop up and around the Monongahela National > > forest > > in West VA. > > > > George > > > > > > >>> Carl Parker 06/27/03 01:10PM >>> > > Should be an excellent weekend to ride. I was planning on doing > > Carter's Run...anyone else heading out? > > > > Carlo > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 15:36:59 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Couple gets 39 million from Outback? Interesting story about a rider getting hit by a drunk... http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030627_31.html Restaurant Ordered to Pay Couple $39M Ind. Restaurant Ordered to Pay $39 Million to Couple Injured by Allegedly Drunken Driver The Associated Press MUNCIE, Ind. June 27 )B— Jurors ordered the corporate owner of an Outback Steakhouse to pay $39 million to a couple severely injured when they were hit by an allegedly drunken driver who had just left the restaurant. David and Lisa Markley filed the complaint against the restaurant in 1999, two years after the accident. The lawsuit alleged that the driver became intoxicated at a party celebrating the restaurant's grand opening. After he left the party, his car crossed a highway center line and collided with a motorcycle operated by David Markley. Markley suffered broken bones that left him unable to return to his factory job. His wife, a passenger on the motorcycle, suffered internal and leg injuries that required more than 40 surgeries. "She's in constant pain every day of her life," said the couple's attorney, Michael J. Alexander. Attorneys for the restaurant chain said they expected to appeal. Some witnesses said alcohol was served free to guests at the grand opening. Others said they paid a dime each for mixed drinks and beer. The Muncie restaurant is one of more than 600 owned by Florida-based Outback Steakhouse Inc. -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 16:02:42 2003 Subject: Tree Down Pictures From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 27 Jun 2003 15:58:04 -0400 Rita took some pics of the damage. Nothing but the tree bit the dust. Here are the pictures. The images are large. I'll drop them down to a more reasonable size tonight. http://www.schelin.org/personal/treedown/index.html Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 16:09:16 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "George Cole" , , , Cc: Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:09:29 -0500 460 miles is way outta my league. :( I would handle 200 tops. I usally go around 70-100 by myself on the regular. Rob On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:49:07 -0500, George Cole wrote > Hey Carlo Paul and Rob, > > I am a wee be hesitant posting rides up on the list. > > I plan leave from Bethesda at 7:00 to 7:15 on Sunday > > If you want we could meet up at the Sheetz (55 and 15) at 7:30 to > 7:45 and leave by 8:00 > > My route is about 460 miles, subject to change a bit, but at least > 400+ miles round trip and maybe a Red Bull or 3 needed to finish...I > have been slacking this year and have only made it up to 350 a few times > > Here is the route Slab on 66/81 to Strasburg than 55W into WV to 42N > to 93n, 50W (back across MD) 219S, 72 to 32 to 33, 33 to 29 slab home. > > Cheers, > > George > > George M Cole > Technology Consultant > Boise Office Solutions > 301-523-4161 > FAX 1-888-240-3154 > George.Cole@XXXXXX > > >>> Carl Parker 06/27/03 03:08PM >>> > Sweet...sign me up for Monongahelamonster, WVa on Sunday. Any > meeting time/places??? > > Carlo > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Guys, I wouldn't mind a little shakedown cruise on the VFR before I begin my > > big blow-out trip to points west after the Fourth. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: ; > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? > > > > > Yes Sunday...maybe a little loop up and around the Monongahela National > > > forest > > > in West VA. > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > >>> Carl Parker 06/27/03 01:10PM >>> > > > Should be an excellent weekend to ride. I was planning on doing > > > Carter's Run...anyone else heading out? > > > > > > Carlo > > > > > > -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 16:19:09 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tree Down Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:19:02 -0400 If you've got homeowners insurance, they'll pay to have the tree removed if it's caused damage to any insured property. > > From: Carl Schelin > Date: 2003/06/27 Fri PM 03:07:34 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Tree Down > > My wife just called. She was working stained glass and it started > thundering. After a bit there was a house shaking bolt. She looked out > back and one of the trees on our hill had been hit by lightning and > fallen. > > The tree's about 60' tall (well, long :-) and came down behind our shed > with the crown on the neighbor's fence. She said there's a shitload of > wood shards in the yard. > > I told Rita to get lots of pics, mainly of the fence since we'll have to > repair it if it's damaged. > > Anyone got a chainsaw and a few free hours tomorrow? If I can't locate a > chain saw, I'll be hitting Home Depot for an inexpensive one. I do have > a reciprecating saw, a circular saw and a jigsaw. Should be fun ;-) > > Carl > > Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 16:56:13 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:23:22 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: Paul Wilson CC: George.Cole@XXXXXX, rob@XXXXXX, DCCycles Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Hmm...460m is a good trip but it takes me to MD which is a bit further north than what I was expecting... How about this though... -We ride with George out to 220 in WV and when he goes N we can head S on 220 to 33. -33 we take back to I-81 -I-81 for 14milez (I hate Interstates) to 211 -211 straight back to 55/15 where we met in the morning. -This trip is 265 miles and should take about 6.5 hours adding an hour for food and farting around around! Should only need 1 maybe 2 gas stops. Surely you guys can do 265 miles!!! ;) Lemme know what you think. I'll prolly met George at 15/55 and take this route myself regardless. I figgure leave at 0800 back by 1500 or 1600. Any takers??? I've got it highlighted and mapped on software w/ milage so if you wanna see it visually let me know and I'll get it to ya. Carlo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 16:58:27 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:56:39 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Carl Schelin CC: Carl Parker , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent Carl Schelin wrote: > On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:52, Carl Parker wrote: > Much of it was with a much smaller group of people. If the guy in the > SUV that cut you off also helped with the barn raising at your place on > Saturday or the soccer mom on the phone that's on your ass now brought > pie to your place when your wife was sick, would you flip him/her off or > would you "have a talk" with them later? And what's the likelyhood of > them cutting you off if they know your wife? > > We're much too isolated even in our communities. Many people couldn't > name their immediate neighbors (in a square around your house; next > door, across the street and kitty-corner) much less someone farther > away. I'm just as bad in that respect. I know Doug and Bill but only > Doug's family including many personal things. > > Most of us know more about our co-workers than our neighbors. Yep yep yep. The other day I wuz helping a flower shop out, delivering flowers. 1st discovery, there's a few sections of Alexandria totally lacking street signs. 2nd revelation, the folks I asked for directions had NO CLUE where such-n-such street was, even tough it turns out they lived ltwo blocks from it. Know their nieghbors? Yeah, the hibernating, tube watching dispsquats don't even know their nieghborhood! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 17:00:14 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Was I-66: Not safe, now mostly tangent To: Carl Parker Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" --- Carl Parker wrote: > See, I knew some people wouldn't be ready to > approach the question. I don't deny that it > wouldn't work in this day and age but there are > other days and ages where there will be much > fewer people and even fewer opinions. So because I disagree, I am not ready to approach the question? If it does not work in this day and age, then the question is moot. You just invalidated any arguement you have. > but in most of > the world. If you travel outside of the > US into someplace besides Western Europe, you'll > know that. > You presume that I have not travelled extensively. Small villages in SE Asia work just fine with little Gov't intervention. Ever been to Tokyo? Bangkok? Manila? Guess what, they need a few cops standing around. > What you're saying is that if I walk into a crowd of > 3 million people then I NEED to have laws No, you might be fine. What I am saying is that the larger the group of people you are in, the greater the probability of some other raving lunatic infringing on your ability to live peacefully. Why do HOA's exist. Because there is always some nut who thinks 40 pink flamingos and a chrome Christmas tree in his front yard is a wonderful lawn decoration. I have a friend who cannot sell her house in Stafford county because her neighbors have an auto salvage yard in their back yard that is an eyesore. She needs a little gov't intervention. The problem is that their is an extremely fine line between the rgiht amount and to much. Everyone has a different opinion as to where that line should be drawn. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 17:21:12 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , "Carl Schelin" Cc: "Carl Parker" , Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:16:32 -0400 Heh, my neighbors are unavoidable, since they view the goings-on in the street part of the entertainment. Everyone knows me 'cuz of the bikes and the time I spend futzing with them, I'm out there a lot to do the meet and greet. Everyone comments on home improvements too. My wife is the eternal busybody. I think if she shakes one more hand, she'll get elected to something. Feet are the primary mode of transport, so there are lots of random encounters. You can't just pull into your garage and scurry into your private cocoon. My neighbors have alerted me to a prostrate VF500 a couple times. :( Sometimes we'll grab a beverage of our choice and sit out front, just watching the passing parade. We have cops, post office workers, Hill staffers by the dozen, a Congresscritter from Florida, a Senator from Georgia, lawyers, lobbyists, students, bar owners, bartenders, interior decorators and gubmint workers living on our block. Nice mix of folks..... 'Cept for that shady architect and his wife.... :) Paul the Shady Architect in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "Carl Schelin" Cc: "Carl Parker" ; Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:52, Carl Parker wrote: > > > Much of it was with a much smaller group of people. If the guy in the > > SUV that cut you off also helped with the barn raising at your place on > > Saturday or the soccer mom on the phone that's on your ass now brought > > pie to your place when your wife was sick, would you flip him/her off or > > would you "have a talk" with them later? And what's the likelyhood of > > them cutting you off if they know your wife? > > > > We're much too isolated even in our communities. Many people couldn't > > name their immediate neighbors (in a square around your house; next > > door, across the street and kitty-corner) much less someone farther > > away. I'm just as bad in that respect. I know Doug and Bill but only > > Doug's family including many personal things. > > > > Most of us know more about our co-workers than our neighbors. > > Yep yep yep. The other day I wuz helping a flower shop out, delivering > flowers. 1st discovery, there's a few sections of Alexandria totally lacking > street signs. 2nd revelation, the folks I asked for directions had NO CLUE > where such-n-such street was, even tough it turns out they lived ltwo blocks > from it. Know their nieghbors? Yeah, the hibernating, tube watching dispsquats > don't even know their nieghborhood! > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 17:33:50 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:33:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Yep yep yep. The other day I wuz helping a flower shop > out, delivering > flowers. 1st discovery, there's a few sections of > Alexandria totally lacking > street signs. 2nd revelation, the folks I asked for > directions had NO CLUE > where such-n-such street was, even tough it turns out > they lived ltwo blocks > from it. Know their nieghbors? Yeah, the hibernating, > tube watching dispsquats > don't even know their nieghborhood! Umm, Bill we live in Alexandria, and the *post office* can't find our house reliably, even with the benefit of signs. And that post office is *one* block away. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 17:50:55 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:39:35 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: Todd Withrow , DCCycles Subject: Re: Was I-66: Not safe, now mostly tangent Todd Withrow wrote: > So because I disagree, I am not ready to approach the > question? If it does not work in this day and age, > then the question is moot. You just invalidated any > arguement you have. No, it's not because you disagree it's because you're using sophomoric - at best - arguments to support what is transparently a popular partyline. Nothing about this is trying to address the question it's disagreeing with it...which are two different things. I'll let you think about that one. And no question is moot esp. when concerned with things of the future. That's like saying "Oh well I could never take a 10000 mile trip around the US so I guess it'll never happen." That's a self defeating attitude as the future is created through the choices we make and things we do. How easy it is to say "oh well then it's moot." Nothing is "moot" when it come to creating the future of your own life or the others around you. And by the way if you've studied any logic (too bad you're talking to someone who's versed in philosophy and linguistics) this three sentence reply above piles up to a bunch of non-sequeturs. Please don't scrounge up some flimsy statements that are plainly fallacious and unrelated to one another, try to stick them together with bubblegum, and think they'll hold water. > You presume that I have not travelled extensively. > Small villages in SE Asia work just fine with little > Gov't intervention. Ever been to Tokyo? Bangkok? > Manila? Guess what, they need a few cops standing > around. > Why yes I have been to Tokyo and Bangkok and I have relatives, including my mother, who grew up with a family of 8 kids and in a tin roofed shack in a tiny ass village in Malaysia called BatuPahat where they picked fish out of streams for food. My lineage before that comes from a small fishing village across from Hainan Island where until recently they used cut logs for chairs in their schools. I have also seen a good portion of the rural/backcountry US and some of Canada. I have also spent several weeks in China making my own way around by train and will be teaching English at a University in Chengdu, China at beginning of this September. No really, I can go on.... Maybe I should tell you about my Peace Corp application and where I got nominated too. Maybe I can tell you about my local volunteering in Arlington to teach English to refugees? I also hope you weren't trying to tell me Tokyo, Bangkok, and Manilla are small villages in SE Asia. > > What you're saying is that if I walk into a crowd of > > 3 million people then I NEED to have laws > > No, you might be fine. What I am saying is that the > larger the group of people you are in, the greater the > probability of some other raving lunatic infringing on > your ability to live peacefully. I agree and even in a crowd of 3 people you can have this problem. What I'm talking indirectly about is this ideal of living "peacefully". Really, and if you've traveled as much as you say, lots of people don't live in "peace" because life is not all "peace" adn "comfort" and "joy". The more we learn to live with that idea as people then the stronger we become as people and realize how immportant "peace" is. For the most part life is good and peaceful but to expect every bit of life to be peaceful is absurd. There is conflict of different types and magnitudes for different reasons. A strong individual knows how to overcome and work with these things on his own and doesn't necessarily have to rely on imposed "laws" for his peace of mind and sense of security. To the strong individual - not the partyline chewing cow herd citizens that expect everything to be handed to them becasue they pay taxes - life is a process of expereinceing, learning, and overcoming a multitude of adversities which you or I could never even begin to imagine. Pretty clear...no? > Why do HOA's exist. Because there is always some nut > who thinks 40 pink flamingos and a chrome Christmas > tree in his front yard is a wonderful lawn decoration. > I have a friend who cannot sell her house in Stafford > county because her neighbors have an auto salvage yard > in their back yard that is an eyesore. She needs a > little gov't intervention. HOA's are insane and yet another example of communal micro-management. Most of the time it's people telling you to mow your lawn beacuse it's over 3.5 inches or some BS. Wherever you get these organizations or associations you always get one or two spokes people who love to throw their weight around. Now in the particular case of your unfortunate friend and her neighbor I'll give you it would do her some "good" although the gubbment would be hard pressed to actually get this guy to move loads of rusty junk from his back yard. Then there's also a bone of contention between your freind and her neighbor...it's not that easy. Don't forget that we're fundamentally talking about human relationships here... > The problem is that their is an extremely fine line > between the rgiht amount and to much. Everyone has a > different opinion as to where that line should be drawn. Bingo!!! And thus the rolling dilemma of man and all things beings to unfold! Although if people stop psychotically working at it they may find that the "line" draws it-self quite nicely and gradually. What I'm talking about is attitudes towards each other : how man stands in relation to man and his world. I'm not saying "this" is how it "should" be, I'm saying "this" is how it "could" be. If we continue this further I suggest it be off list, not because I'm affraid of anything but it's lost some of it's moto content. I actually enjoy this however and will continue as long as you wish. :) Monster of Doinysus, Carlo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 18:18:28 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:18:24 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Couple gets 39 million from Outback? the individual should be held responsible for their actions, not the restraunt, IMO dan wrote: > > Interesting story about a rider getting hit by a drunk... > > http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030627_31.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 18:26:49 2003 Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:26:00 -0500 From: To: , Cc: , Ill be at the Sheetz with a red 02 VFR, red helmet, and silver and black riding gear.. George >>> Carl Parker 06/27/03 04:23PM >>> Hmm...460m is a good trip but it takes me to MD which is a bit further north than what I was expecting... How about this though... -We ride with George out to 220 in WV and when he goes N we can head S on 220 to 33. -33 we take back to I-81 -I-81 for 14milez (I hate Interstates) to 211 -211 straight back to 55/15 where we met in the morning. -This trip is 265 miles and should take about 6.5 hours adding an hour for food and farting around around! Should only need 1 maybe 2 gas stops. Surely you guys can do 265 miles!!! ;) Lemme know what you think. I'll prolly met George at 15/55 and take this route myself regardless. I figgure leave at 0800 back by 1500 or 1600. Any takers??? I've got it highlighted and mapped on software w/ milage so if you wanna see it visually let me know and I'll get it to ya. Carlo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 19:00:31 2003 From: (Steven Dobson) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:00:28 -0400 X-Autogenerated: Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/27/03 I am on vacation in SARSville. Returning on Canada Day. -S From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 19:46:33 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:23:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Tree Down At 04:19 PM 6/27/03 -0400, Bob Meyer wrote: >If you've got homeowners insurance, they'll pay to have the tree removed >if it's caused damage to any insured property. What I have is Mortgage Insurance. That's where my regular insurance company of 10 years drops me because I need a new roof, some repairs on the siding and a new coat of paint. Fortunately there was no damage to property other than the tree (and the trees that caught it). Bill has a chain saw too and has offered to help if he has the time (wife in [false] labor, best friend died last week). While I haven't seen Doug, I'm sure he'll help if he's available. [stupid frigging laptop] Anyway, directions if you want to stop by: 95: Dale City exit West Dale Blvd to Darbydale (alphabetical streets; ashdale, barksdale, cloverdale, darbydale) Left onto Darbydale Second stop sign Left onto Eastlawn Right onto Evansdale 4630 Evansdale 703 878 4391. Tree party starts at 10am Saturday. The website has lots of pictures and they're all small so you should be able to view them now. Oh yea, if you're coming from Manassas: PW Parkway to Minnieville Right on Minnieville Left on Darbydale (5th light; first past Dale Blvd) Right at first stop sign Right on Evansdale 4630 Evansdale Thanks Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 19:47:59 2003 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:25:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent At 04:56 PM 6/27/03 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Carl Schelin wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:52, Carl Parker wrote: > > > Most of us know more about our co-workers than our neighbors. > >Yep yep yep. The other day I wuz helping a flower shop out, delivering >flowers. 1st discovery, there's a few sections of Alexandria totally lacking >street signs. 2nd revelation, the folks I asked for directions had NO CLUE >where such-n-such street was, even tough it turns out they lived ltwo blocks >from it. Know their nieghbors? Yeah, the hibernating, tube watching >dispsquats >don't even know their nieghborhood! I at least know the 'hood. Maybe not all the streets yet but I can get you to where you want to go :-) >Bill Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 27 22:11:00 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: , , Cc: , Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:11:16 -0500 Where is sheetz??? I can make it at 0800. If I am not there leave without me cause I overslept. I have a blue honda hawk. grey reiding jacket, AGV white, grey blue helmet. Rob On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:26:00 -0500, George.Cole wrote > Ill be at the Sheetz with a red 02 VFR, red helmet, and silver and black > riding gear.. > > George > > >>> Carl Parker 06/27/03 04:23PM >>> > Hmm...460m is a good trip but it takes me to MD which is a bit > further north than what I was expecting... > > How about this though... > > -We ride with George out to 220 in WV and when he goes N we can head > S on 220 to 33. > > -33 we take back to I-81 > > -I-81 for 14milez (I hate Interstates) to 211 > > -211 straight back to 55/15 where we met in the morning. > > -This trip is 265 miles and should take about 6.5 hours adding an > hour for food and farting around around! Should only need 1 maybe 2 > gas stops. > > Surely you guys can do 265 miles!!! ;) > > Lemme know what you think. I'll prolly met George at 15/55 and take > this > route myself regardless. I figgure leave at 0800 back by 1500 or 1600. > Any takers??? I've got it highlighted and mapped on software w/ milage > so > if you wanna see it visually let me know and I'll get it to ya. > > Carlo -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 01:43:52 2003 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:38:17 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: Rob Sharp CC: George.Cole@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? You can't miss it. Head out 66 till you get to 29 S towards Gainesville at your VERY NEXT light turn right and that's 55. Go a few miles and you'll cross Rt. 15. The Sheetz I believe is on your left before you cross 15 and it's huge and red...like Liza Manelli. Either that or take 66W till you get to 15S. Take 15S and it should be on your left...still huge and red like Liza Manelli. :) I'll be on a black Bandit 1200 with a grey/black Stich' and black helmet. See ya'll Sunday morn! Ciao for now... Carlo 703.587.4135 is my cell if you have any questions. Rob Sharp wrote: > Where is sheetz??? I can make it at 0800. If I am not there leave without > me cause I overslept. > > I have a blue honda hawk. grey reiding jacket, AGV white, grey blue helmet. > > Rob > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:26:00 -0500, George.Cole wrote > > Ill be at the Sheetz with a red 02 VFR, red helmet, and silver and black > > riding gear.. > > > > George > > > > >>> Carl Parker 06/27/03 04:23PM >>> > > Hmm...460m is a good trip but it takes me to MD which is a bit > > further north than what I was expecting... > > > > How about this though... > > > > -We ride with George out to 220 in WV and when he goes N we can head > > S on 220 to 33. > > > > -33 we take back to I-81 > > > > -I-81 for 14milez (I hate Interstates) to 211 > > > > -211 straight back to 55/15 where we met in the morning. > > > > -This trip is 265 miles and should take about 6.5 hours adding an > > hour for food and farting around around! Should only need 1 maybe 2 > > gas stops. > > > > Surely you guys can do 265 miles!!! ;) > > > > Lemme know what you think. I'll prolly met George at 15/55 and take > > this > > route myself regardless. I figgure leave at 0800 back by 1500 or 1600. > > Any takers??? I've got it highlighted and mapped on software w/ milage > > so > > if you wanna see it visually let me know and I'll get it to ya. > > > > Carlo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 11:19:29 2003 Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:19:00 -0500 From: To: , Cc: , It takes me about 35 minutes to get there from Bethesda on 66 (at speed limit more or less) George >>> Carl Parker 06/28/03 01:38AM >>> You can't miss it. Head out 66 till you get to 29 S towards Gainesville at your VERY NEXT light turn right and that's 55. Go a few miles and you'll cross Rt. 15. The Sheetz I believe is on your left before you cross 15 and it's huge and red...like Liza Manelli. Either that or take 66W till you get to 15S. Take 15S and it should be on your left...still huge and red like Liza Manelli. :) I'll be on a black Bandit 1200 with a grey/black Stich' and black helmet. See ya'll Sunday morn! Ciao for now... Carlo 703.587.4135 is my cell if you have any questions. Rob Sharp wrote: > Where is sheetz??? I can make it at 0800. If I am not there leave without > me cause I overslept. > > I have a blue honda hawk. grey reiding jacket, AGV white, grey blue helmet. > > Rob > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:26:00 -0500, George.Cole wrote > > Ill be at the Sheetz with a red 02 VFR, red helmet, and silver and black > > riding gear.. > > > > George > > > > >>> Carl Parker 06/27/03 04:23PM >>> > > Hmm...460m is a good trip but it takes me to MD which is a bit > > further north than what I was expecting... > > > > How about this though... > > > > -We ride with George out to 220 in WV and when he goes N we can head > > S on 220 to 33. > > > > -33 we take back to I-81 > > > > -I-81 for 14milez (I hate Interstates) to 211 > > > > -211 straight back to 55/15 where we met in the morning. > > > > -This trip is 265 miles and should take about 6.5 hours adding an > > hour for food and farting around around! Should only need 1 maybe 2 > > gas stops. > > > > Surely you guys can do 265 miles!!! ;) > > > > Lemme know what you think. I'll prolly met George at 15/55 and take > > this > > route myself regardless. I figgure leave at 0800 back by 1500 or 1600. > > Any takers??? I've got it highlighted and mapped on software w/ milage > > so > > if you wanna see it visually let me know and I'll get it to ya. > > > > Carlo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 15:50:05 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: Skydiving Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:49:58 -0400 Neat stuff - been a while since I jumped (it was a round canopy - modified T-10). Easy as falling, as I remember... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 15:51:58 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Back from the hills Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:51:54 -0400 Team Jordan (pere et fils) are back inna good old USofA. Wheels down at Dulles about 2 this afternoon. Two weeks and about 3,800KM of twisties. Does anyone know where I can find a good straight stretch??? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 15:57:41 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:57:37 -0400 > the libertarian side of me says speed limits are too low > (we are not 'good enough' to rate european speeds)... We actually have better than most... As of June 2003 - posted maximums (autostrada/bahn): Italy: 120KPH - enforcement ??? Austria: 120KPH Switzerland: 100KPH - STRICT enforcement Didn't hit France, and rumors are that Germany is still unlimited (in spots) The "Good ole days" of when I was stationed there in the 60s & 70s when you left town (30KPH) and the rest was on your own are long gone.. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 22:01:44 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:01:29 EDT Subject: Re: Was I-66: Not safe, now mostly tangent To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/27/2003 1:02:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, carl@XXXXXX writes: > Right but the federal limit is 75. Keeping speed limits aritficially low at > 55, where they > were set some 30 years ago for different reasons, is a different matter. > There are places in America, northern Nevada for instance, where 75 is too damn slow and higher speeds are in fact safer then low speeds. Mile after mile of laser straight roads with few intersections and clear visibility to the horizon, no brush large enough to hide anything large enough to knock you down. You can ride for hours without seeing anything or anyone, BOREDOM will put you to sleep out there and going to sleep is a really bad idea on a bike. _Any_ national speed limit is going to be wrong to the point of being unsafe for someone somewhere. They are a bad idea. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 28 22:06:40 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:06:32 EDT Subject: Re: I-66: Not safe for bikes+tangent To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/27/2003 1:34:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, carl@XXXXXX writes: > > For me, 75 is cruising speed. 80 makes me uncomfortable and the few > > times I get to 90 is passing speed. > > Oh yeah, as long as I can do 75 while I'm trying to make distance I don't > complain. Certain bikes thought have their sweet spots a bit higher and > almost > gravitate up there Damn, I usually feel like a slowpoke on this list, but I have cruised at far higher speeds without a second thought for hundreds of miles and will no doubt do it again > Ultimately it doesn't matter how or what you ride just that you ride safely > and > have fun! Damn straight! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 09:24:16 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:23:59 EDT Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/27/2003 1:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > My > butt starts hurting after 3 hours :) Aspirin, or whatever analgesic you use for a headache, it will cure a buttache just as well. (And a damn sight cheaper then a new saddle.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 20:12:04 2003 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles \(Dc-Cycles\)" Subject: So, how screwed am I? Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:11:15 -0400 First off, this problem is with my KLR. I've been trying to get this bike started for the past 5 months. Last week, I told my teenage buddy Chris, if he could get it started, he could ride it a bit as I didn't have the time to fool with it. I had replaced the plug last month. He worked on it a whole day - cleaned the carb and screwed with it in general trying to get it started. Including trying to bump start it. Only a 17 yo would have the stamina to try and bump start a bike when it's 94 degrees outside. Anyway, he tells me he pulled the spark plug and it was rusty and the spark was weak. So, on Friday, I go out and get yet another spark plug for the beast. Just now I went out to change the plug. Uh-oh, I say to myself as soon as I started trying to remove the plug. It's really hard to turn. Really hard. I mean, really hard. And guess what happened next. Yep, it broke off. So, the question stands - how screwed am I and how do I get this fixed. I figure that Chris cross threaded it the last time he put it in. And no, I'm not going to make him fix it. LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 20:53:10 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "LindaT." , "Dc-Cycles \(Dc-Cycles\)" Subject: Re: So, how screwed am I? Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:53:09 -0400 I don't know the fix, but it sounds like you need use an "easy out" to remove what's left of the plug and then cut new threads in the head using a tap and die set. I've never removed shorn up plug before though. The ceramic centers might make it a little different than a regular bolt. Unfortunately I have *way* too much experience extracting broken fasteners. FWIW, and this is one of those "lock the barn door after the horse is long gone" suggestions, but I install spark plugs by hand. Meaning I hold onto the end of the plug socket and twist it by hand with my fingers, making sure the durn things are threading properly, then use the racket the last little bit to drive them home. You don't need a lot of torque. Just enough to crush the gasket. Honda calls for 9 ft-lbs on the VFR. Some people use anti-seize, as well, on plugs, but I've need found that necessary. Both the VFR and the VF has big ole boots integral to the plug wire sockets that keep water and crap from falling into the plug wells. Good luck, but you may need to seek professional help on this one. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles (Dc-Cycles)" Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: So, how screwed am I? > First off, this problem is with my KLR. > > I've been trying to get this bike started for the past 5 months. Last week, > I told my teenage buddy Chris, if he could get it started, he could ride it > a bit as I didn't have the time to fool with it. I had replaced the plug > last month. He worked on it a whole day - cleaned the carb and screwed with > it in general trying to get it started. Including trying to bump start it. > Only a 17 yo would have the stamina to try and bump start a bike when it's > 94 degrees outside. > > Anyway, he tells me he pulled the spark plug and it was rusty and the spark > was weak. So, on Friday, I go out and get yet another spark plug for the > beast. Just now I went out to change the plug. Uh-oh, I say to myself as > soon as I started trying to remove the plug. It's really hard to turn. > Really hard. I mean, really hard. And guess what happened next. Yep, it > broke off. > > So, the question stands - how screwed am I and how do I get this fixed. I > figure that Chris cross threaded it the last time he put it in. And no, I'm > not going to make him fix it. > > LindaT. > http://www.customtankbags.com > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 21:07:46 2003 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:20:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: "Dc-Cycles (Dc-Cycles)" Subject: Re: So, how screwed am I? On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > Some people use anti-seize, as well, on plugs, but I've need found that > necessary. Both the VFR and the VF has big ole boots integral to the plug > wire sockets that keep water and crap from falling into the plug wells. You should still always use antiseize, as the plug and the cylinder heads are different metals and that can cause problems when heating/cooling repeatedly. Also, there can be galvanic corrosion if water is introduced. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 21:25:57 2003 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:14:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: "Dc-Cycles (Dc-Cycles)" Subject: Re: So, how screwed am I? On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, LindaT. wrote: > So, the question stands - how screwed am I and how do I get this fixed. I > figure that Chris cross threaded it the last time he put it in. And no, I'm > not going to make him fix it. > > LindaT. > http://www.customtankbags.com I can't speak to the removal of the plug, but if he crossthreaded the plug you'll need to address the threads. You can either clean up the threads with a tap and hope they hold (I've seen motors spit out plugs before) or drill it, tap it and use a helicoil. Not knowing the exact location of the plug on the KLR, I can't say if it can be done with the cylinder head on the bike or not. If the head is aluminum it is possible to drill/tap it while still installed in the engine. I've done it on an old Supra. Use a lot of grease on the drill bit and tap to catch the aluminum shavings. The smaller bits will 1) get burned up in the combustion chamber or 2) get spit out the exhaust valve. Good luck. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 21:45:00 2003 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:45:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/03 At 07:00 PM 6/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: >There are places in America, northern Nevada for instance, where 75 is too >damn slow and higher speeds are in fact safer then low speeds. This is the kind of categorical bullshit I was talking about in my first post. There is NO case where faster speeds, ESPECIALLY MUCH higher than the posted speed limit, are 'safer' for everyone. Feel free to admit that you THINK they are safer, and thus will exceed safe speeds, based on your experience, but to advocate a blanket disregard for posted speed limits is irresponsible. No one knows how an individual will react to an animal or road conditions that werent expected. A small desert deer may walk away from a potential collision while the rider lies in a ditch because they just couldnt resist the urge to swerve at 100mph. Case in point: http://www.advrider.com/Fame/Deer.html Speed limits are put in place for a reason and should not be disregarded with such a cavalier attitude as they are 'unsafe'. Any rider should know his limits and ride within them. I have already demostrated that at high rates of speed, you are far outdriving ANY lights at night. Just have the guts to come out and say I'm too good to consider the established norms and everyone should be like me and do the same or you arent a 'real rider'. Contrary to the opinion of most motorcyclists, the rules were not put in place solely to keep the 'other guy' under control. Sometimes they provide very good guidance to people, based on the normal capability of the rider. Sure, if you come up on a curve that is posted for a recommended speed of 35 mph, you may know you can go through at 55mph. Maybe you use a rule of thumb of 'recommended speed' +20, but that certainly shouldnt be advocated as a rule for all riders to follow. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 21:47:46 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone riding this weekend??? Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:48:05 -0500 I think carlo will back me up on this one. I didn't "admit" to my butt hurting till about 1-2pm. I started riding at about 7:30am. I got the pricey corbin seat too. Rob On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:23:59 EDT, PenguinBiker wrote > In a message dated 6/27/2003 1:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > My > > butt starts hurting after 3 hours :) > > Aspirin, or whatever analgesic you use for a headache, it will cure > a buttache just as well. (And a damn sight cheaper then a new saddle.) > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 29 22:53:32 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/03 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:53:21 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7973b3dbfe22377b2cf49595915b3e72e1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > >There are places in America, northern Nevada for instance, where 75 is too > >damn slow and higher speeds are in fact safer then low speeds. > > This is the kind of categorical bullshit I was talking about in my first post. > There is NO case where faster speeds, ESPECIALLY MUCH higher than > the posted speed limit, are 'safer' for everyone. [Dave] If the prevailing speed of traffic is much higher than the limit, and you go the limit, you are statistically more in danger and a danger to others than if you travel closer to the prevailing speed of traffic. Differential speed kills, speed in and of itself does not. Speed will compound the effects of an impact, but speed is completely irrelevant so long as you maintain control of the vehicle. > Speed limits are put in place for a reason and should not be disregarded with > such a cavalier attitude as they are 'unsafe'. [Dave] Rt. 9 in WbGVA is posted 55... almost everywhere. That's fine on a bike, but 50 is where I draw the line in the Exploder in some turn sections. The problem is that around here we're saddled with artificially low limits that have no basis for their low postings except for some vague political reasoning having no basis in reality. The net result is as above, traffic flows significantly higher than the posting. Feel free to go the limit, but please, do it in the right lane. Speed limits are set for a variety of reasons, with several compelling interests, and what the engineering design of the road will accomodate is but a piece of that. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 09:19:20 2003 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:18:13 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "LindaT." CC: "Dc-Cycles (Dc-Cycles)" Subject: Re: So, how screwed am I? Screwed. An EZ-out may work, I'd give it a 20% chance. So drilling the plug out is next on the list and the aluminum head treads are probably shot to hell. You might be able to re-tap them, I'd give that about a 20% chance too. Heli-coil? Or an insert. One of the japanese racing outboards I used came with a pricey ($13) 20mm plug. We used a brass alloy insert to size the hole down ta take standard ND or NGK plugs. The outboards ran at wide open throttle 99% of the time and it took a few test runs to determine the correct heat range for the plug since the insert altered that slightly. In any case, a machine shop visit is in order. Get a price estimate, might be be easier and cheaper to buy a new head. Bill "LindaT." wrote: > First off, this problem is with my KLR. > > I've been trying to get this bike started for the past 5 months. Last week, > I told my teenage buddy Chris, if he could get it started, he could ride it > a bit as I didn't have the time to fool with it. I had replaced the plug > last month. He worked on it a whole day - cleaned the carb and screwed with > it in general trying to get it started. Including trying to bump start it. > Only a 17 yo would have the stamina to try and bump start a bike when it's > 94 degrees outside. > > Anyway, he tells me he pulled the spark plug and it was rusty and the spark > was weak. So, on Friday, I go out and get yet another spark plug for the > beast. Just now I went out to change the plug. Uh-oh, I say to myself as > soon as I started trying to remove the plug. It's really hard to turn. > Really hard. I mean, really hard. And guess what happened next. Yep, it > broke off. > > So, the question stands - how screwed am I and how do I get this fixed. I > figure that Chris cross threaded it the last time he put it in. And no, I'm > not going to make him fix it. > > LindaT. > http://www.customtankbags.com > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 09:30:01 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: UJM parts Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:32:49 -0400 Some one posted this URL: on SabMag Parts at reasonable prices for those of us who own bikes old enough to vote or buy beer. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 09:48:20 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'William J. Huson '" , "'LindaT. '" Cc: "'Dc-Cycles (Dc-Cycles) '" Subject: RE: So, how screwed am I? Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:48:39 -0400 The larger problem is what is broken off in the head. What I'm picturing is the sparkplug broke off at the part between the threads and the hex, where the gasket goes around the root diameter of the plug. If you look at it sitting in the head, there's a ring of metal with the ceramic insert broken off inside of it. If this is true, the real problem is, how do you get the ceramic part out? Once you get the little ceramic piece out, the threaded metal ring left in is IDEAL for an easy-out to work, and it does. Any auto parts store sells the spark plug repair kit where you tap a bigger sized hole, thread this doohickey in, and your plug screws into that from now on. I had a Chev 350 that snapped a plug just like that. In dicking with it, I sent the ceramic piece into the cylinder. D'OH. Finally, after getting the metal ring out and the hole open again, I tried to fish the thing out. Tried a little tube hooked to a shop vac snaked in the hole, etc. I started it a couple of times on 7 cylinders, hoping to blow it out the hole and the thing whas just KNOCKING around in there in the cylinder. Finally called a tow truck to take the thing to a garage. :-( Tow truck driver got there, what's the first thing he does? Starts it. Pow, it came right out. Well there you go. :-/ But anyway, the hard part is getting the ceramic tip to not fall in. Getting the rest out and moving on from there is the easy part. HTH, Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson To: LindaT. Cc: Dc-Cycles (Dc-Cycles) Sent: 6/30/03 9:18 AM Subject: Re: So, how screwed am I? Screwed. An EZ-out may work, I'd give it a 20% chance. So drilling the plug out is next on the list and the aluminum head treads are probably shot to hell. You might be able to re-tap them, I'd give that about a 20% chance too. Heli-coil? Or an insert. One of the japanese racing outboards I used came with a pricey ($13) 20mm plug. We used a brass alloy insert to size the hole down ta take standard ND or NGK plugs. The outboards ran at wide open throttle 99% of the time and it took a few test runs to determine the correct heat range for the plug since the insert altered that slightly. In any case, a machine shop visit is in order. Get a price estimate, might be be easier and cheaper to buy a new head. Bill "LindaT." wrote: > First off, this problem is with my KLR. > > I've been trying to get this bike started for the past 5 months. Last week, > I told my teenage buddy Chris, if he could get it started, he could ride it > a bit as I didn't have the time to fool with it. I had replaced the plug > last month. He worked on it a whole day - cleaned the carb and screwed with > it in general trying to get it started. Including trying to bump start it. > Only a 17 yo would have the stamina to try and bump start a bike when it's > 94 degrees outside. > > Anyway, he tells me he pulled the spark plug and it was rusty and the spark > was weak. So, on Friday, I go out and get yet another spark plug for the > beast. Just now I went out to change the plug. Uh-oh, I say to myself as > soon as I started trying to remove the plug. It's really hard to turn. > Really hard. I mean, really hard. And guess what happened next. Yep, it > broke off. > > So, the question stands - how screwed am I and how do I get this fixed. I > figure that Chris cross threaded it the last time he put it in. And no, I'm > not going to make him fix it. > > LindaT. > http://www.customtankbags.com > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 10:48:29 2003 Subject: Tree gone! From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 30 Jun 2003 10:43:28 -0400 Well, maybe not totally gone but it's not a problem anymore :-) Saturday morning bright and early Mike Troutman showed up with his semi-trusty chainsaw ;-) When it gave up the ghost, Mike bailed. Doug (the neighbor) came by and helped cart branches out to the truck. I think I hauled 7 or 8 loads of branches to the dump. At about 11:30 we hit Home Depot and picked up an electric chainsaw. Doug, who has experience, was very impressed with its power. My first cut was towards the base. We brought down that bit and, unfortunately the top fell off of the supporting tree but fortunately didn't damage anything. By 3pm we had all the branches down to the dump and Doug had cut the majority of the tree trunk cut up into 18-24" lengths. Doug bailed to watch a baseball game. I cut off the trunk at the splintered bit and cut it up. Then I tried to cut the rest. After 5 or 6 wacky cuts into the trunk I finally got it to the point where I could push it off of the stump. It fell and laid flat out. I cut some of the last bit up but left about 6' that still needs to be cut. OBJBike: Yesterday Rita surprised me by wanting to take a bike ride to Great Falls. I moved the backrest to the back of the seat and I put on the windshield and we bailed. Rita had her leather jacket on which would have been ok on the freeway but she would rather ride through town and backroads. By the time we got to Great Falls she was sweating heavily. She decided not to wear the jacket on the way home. I have a _lovely_ sunburn on both my forearms and the end of my nose. Later and again, thanks for the help Mike. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 10:51:34 2003 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: 2-Wheels in Europe To: DC Cycles Just got back from my wedding in France and honeymoon in Italy. Highlights related to this list was renting a 125 Vespa for a ride from Poistano to Amalfi and Ravello (on the Amalfi Drive in Southern Italy). The Amalfi Drive is one of the most heavily trafficed curvy roads in the world. Curves so tight only one large veichle can get by at a time )of course the scooter can sometimes shoot the gap) (-: Observations on two wheel travel in Europe: France: 1. Just a ton more motorcycles in France than in the US. Yes part of the reason is high gas costs and high veichle taxes, but that is not all of it. Most of them seem to riding for pleasure, not simply commuting. Lots of sportbikes, especially in the Grenoble area which is right in the French Alps. 2. In France I saw that riders are generally outfitted much more safely/sanely than in the US. Never saw a sportbike rider that did not have on full leathers, boots, gloves, etc. There are no laws on riding gear in France, beyond helmets. 3. Only saw one Harley the entire three weeks in Europe (sorry but that was just a relief). 4. Many more bike types sold in France than here. Saw tons of standards we just never see here. Saw many Cavigas and other rare Italian bikes. Italy: Italy is the scooter (50cc-125cc) capital of the world. Was in Como, Rome, Capri, Positano so I saw a good cross section of the country. 1. Larger scooters are much more popular in Italy than just a few years ago (last in Rome in 1999). I am talking the 125-200 ones with plenty of plastic, storage space. Almost look like mini-Goldwings, if that makes sense. 2. Everyone rides scooters, from business executives to blue collar workers. 3. The old-style Vespas are still around, but seem to be less and less of them. 4. Parking of all two-wheelers remains: PARK IT ANYWHERE (-: I was surprised not to see scooters parked in St. Peter's square. 5. There is nothing sexier than a beautiful Italian woman, dressed in Prada, zipping along on her scooter (-; (not that I noticed right??) Thats about it. It was nice to see so many two-wheelers on a daily basis, and so few SUV-type viechles (of course those are increasing there too). Speaking of 2 wheels, can Lance win his 5th Tour? Hope so..... Mark ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 12:37:51 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: 2-Wheels in Europe Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:39:46 -0400 I think some of the key points are: 1) Europe is more moto-friendly because motorcycles are considered "ordinary" and the powers-that-be see them as small, narrow vehicles, not cars missing two wheels, and frame the Traffic Code accordingly. To wit: lane-sharing and filtering are not only tolerated, they are encouraged. 2) Europeans don't get all hung up on the "outlaw" mystique and all the other -- to be quite blunt -- bovine excrement nonsense that surrounds bikes in the States. To many people in the States, motorcycle = Milwaukee-based marque. I can't tell you the number of times people (civilians) ask me what bike I have, "It's a Honda, a VFR, sport-touring bike, mumble, mumble." The eyes glaze over as soon as the H is followed by an "o" and not an "a." 3) There's a much better infrastructure of dealers (bikes, gear and accessories) and mechanics. Every small town has a motorcycle / scooter shop. Right now, I have to pre-position tires at a friend's house in Missouri, 'cuz I will need new rubber about half-way through my two-week MC trip. Can't just blow into town and expect to get my tires changed, while U wait, and be on my way in an hour. And, if it were possible, I'd have to compromise on choice of tire brand and pay an extra special price. 4) Riding on two wheels is considered a legitimate transportation option, whether it's for practical reasons or "fun." Shudder, you mean one vehicle can be *both*? Isn't it strange that you rarely hear people being chastised for buying a "fun" car. It is has four wheels, it's transportation; if it has two, it's a toy. It's really an uphill struggle to convince the average American that moving about the country on two wheels does not mean you are a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: 2-Wheels in Europe > Just got back from my wedding in France and honeymoon > in Italy. Highlights related to this list was renting > a 125 Vespa for a ride from Poistano to Amalfi and > Ravello (on the Amalfi Drive in Southern Italy). The > Amalfi Drive is one of the most heavily trafficed > curvy roads in the world. Curves so tight only one > large veichle can get by at a time )of course the > scooter can sometimes shoot the gap) (-: > > Observations on two wheel travel in Europe: > > France: > > 1. Just a ton more motorcycles in France than in the > US. Yes part of the reason is high gas costs and high > veichle taxes, but that is not all of it. Most of > them seem to riding for pleasure, not simply > commuting. Lots of sportbikes, especially in the > Grenoble area which is right in the French Alps. > > 2. In France I saw that riders are generally outfitted > much more safely/sanely than in the US. Never saw a > sportbike rider that did not have on full leathers, > boots, gloves, etc. There are no laws on riding gear > in France, beyond helmets. > > 3. Only saw one Harley the entire three weeks in > Europe (sorry but that was just a relief). > > 4. Many more bike types sold in France than here. Saw > tons of standards we just never see here. Saw many > Cavigas and other rare Italian bikes. > > Italy: > > Italy is the scooter (50cc-125cc) capital of the > world. Was in Como, Rome, Capri, Positano so I saw a > good cross section of the country. > > 1. Larger scooters are much more popular in Italy than > just a few years ago (last in Rome in 1999). I am > talking the 125-200 ones with plenty of plastic, > storage space. Almost look like mini-Goldwings, if > that makes sense. > > 2. Everyone rides scooters, from business executives > to blue collar workers. > > 3. The old-style Vespas are still around, but seem to > be less and less of them. > > 4. Parking of all two-wheelers remains: PARK IT > ANYWHERE (-: I was surprised not to see scooters > parked in St. Peter's square. > > 5. There is nothing sexier than a beautiful Italian > woman, dressed in Prada, zipping along on her scooter > (-; (not that I noticed right??) > > Thats about it. It was nice to see so many > two-wheelers on a daily basis, and so few SUV-type > viechles (of course those are increasing there too). > > Speaking of 2 wheels, can Lance win his 5th Tour? > Hope so..... > > Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 13:04:04 2003 Subject: Re: 2-Wheels in Europe From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 30 Jun 2003 12:59:12 -0400 On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 12:39, Paul Wilson wrote: > I think some of the key points are: > 2) Europeans don't get all hung up on the "outlaw" mystique and all the > other -- to be quite blunt -- bovine excrement nonsense that surrounds bikes > in the States. To many people in the States, motorcycle = Milwaukee-based > marque. I can't tell you the number of times people (civilians) ask me what > bike I have, "It's a Honda, a VFR, sport-touring bike, mumble, mumble." The > eyes glaze over as soon as the H is followed by an "o" and not an "a." Just my own experience a few weekends ago. I took a load of crud to the dump and had my chopper frame cinched down in the truck. While I was pitching stuff out, the old guy in the next truck asked me if I was building a bike. When I said "yep", he said "Harley?" and he basically shut down; looking back into the truck to see what else to throw away. When I said, "nope, 750 Honda" he lit up and we chatted for a few minutes. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 19:13:00 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: 2-Wheels in Europe Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:12:51 -0400 > 1. Just a ton more motorcycles in France than in the > US. Yes part of the reason is high gas costs and high > veichle taxes, but that is not all of it. Most of > them seem to riding for pleasure, not simply > commuting. Lots of sportbikes, especially in the > Grenoble area which is right in the French Alps. Welcome back - we must have hit the States at about the same time. When I was over there last year, I was talking with a Dutch couple that was staying at the same hotel that I was and I commented that when I was stationed there mumblety years ago I saw very few other bikes up in the Alps, and now they are crawling with them. They shared an insight that 35 or so years ago, Europe was still basically recovering from WWII, and motorcycles were the poor man's alternative to a car. As soon as a person could afford a car, out went the bike. Fast forward 35 years and (1) those memories are gone and (2) there is a LOT of disposable income in western Europe. The result is a motorcycle culture that has to be seen to be believed. There is no problem walking into a 4 Star hotel in riding gear and getting a room. Motorcyclists are VERY welcome - they are actually causing another high season in the ski areas that used to shut down for the summer - now they stay open for the bikes. Very refreshing... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 21:14:28 2003 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:13:49 -0700 (PDT) From: David Subject: Motorcycle Ride This Week? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anyone on a cruiser interested in taking a long and lazy (or long and not so lazy) ride this week? I am off from work and would love to have someone to ride with, maybe out to Skyline Drive/Shennandoah National Park. Sorry for the short notice, just got back from Houston tonight (monday). I assume no one will get this on Tue until too late (but I could still go in the afternoon), so how about Wed or Thur? I can work with your schedule - email me directly please. Thanx! David __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 22:20:08 2003 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:14:40 -0400 From: Carl Parker To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , brownlee_b@XXXXXX Subject: Speed limits and "categorical BS" Dude...Bruce... As a result of having too much time on my hands today, I will show you some lunacy.... First off I see you're still stringing together thoughts that are not only poorly related and explained but also show clear signs of your own deficiencies as a reader and someone who is not willing to "discuss" - what I before called a "poor reader". I will give you examples, reflections if you will, of your own prejudices in interpretation - In other words how you're telling people they're saying things they aren't at all. You're totally misreading what people are saying and for you own reason... Ex. 1) First Bruce boasted: >Feel free to admit that you THINK they are safer, and thus will exceed safe speeds, >based on your experience, but to advocate a blanket disregard for posted speed >limits is irresponsible. A) Who here is advocating a blanket disregard for posted speed limits??? No one said this. I am very aware of what the speed limits are and don't think they're a joke at all. I'm pretty sure that Dave probably doesn't either. I'd probably even go so far as to say that no one on this list does at least since they increased the "homeland revenue generation" programs that have started to kick in during the past year or so are becoming quite vicious. If you would have substituted "unpractical" for "irresponsible" then you would have had something to work with. B) To put it more clearly: No one is saying what you claim they are and you're selectively projecting this spin/interpretation onto other people to rationalize your own position to yourself in the face of other thoughtful and considerate minds that knowingly watch you do this. Ex. 2) Then Bruce breyed: >Just have the guts to come out and say I'm too good to consider the established >norms and everyone should be like me and do the same or you arent a 'real >rider'. A) No one is calling anyone "fake riders" or saying "I'm too good" for this or that. And I rarely, if ever, hear anyone on this list seriously denegrate people as "pseudo-riders". People on this list ride everything from dirt bikes to cruisers to sport bikes to standards to nakeds and the shades in-between. Why in the world would someone even be on this list if they sincerely felt that "people who ride the speed limit aren't 'real riders'." If there are plenty of bike/style specific lists and clubs that would only cater to what they'd consider "real riders" then why would they "waste" their time here? Best part is that I'm fairly sure you're not even going to consider this for one second and it will all disapear into a dazzling black-hole of denial. B) See B above. Ex. 3) Then Bruce burped: >Speed limits are put in place for a reason and should not be disregarded with >such a cavalier attitude as they are 'unsafe'. A) Again, no one here really has a "cavalier attitude" towards "unsafe speed limits." A lot of us would be dead it that were true and Dave did a good job of explaining what he meant so I hope that helped. Prolly' not a good idea just to string strong words together and think it will sound convincing or truthful. But ignoring this asinine character trait, you then provided for us, by magician, a well assembled, fair minded, and useful statement: >Any rider should know his limits and ride within them. You were doin' good there but then, trying to score a meaningless point, you had to ruin it with.... >I have already demonstrated that at high rates of speed, >you are far outdriving ANY lights at night. B) See B above. Sometimes people fall for the "use the fancy words and then spew ridiculously unintelligible crap after it" method of persuasion and slander; while that may work for most politicians, much to your dismay, there are people it won't work on and motorcyclists, in general, aren't idiots _even_ if some are "uneducated". Ya know, I know I can come off strong and highly oracular but really, at the end of the day, I know I've got to listen to people and try to understand what they tell me because it's important for my development and survival as a person. Even though I may disagree, I still at least need to try to understand their problem or question - I call this "approaching the question" - from their POV. I said there was a fine line between "arguing" and "discussing" which is something you clearly didn't understand earlier and further goes to show you're a poor reader because you probably didn't even try to consider it for a split second. Even if a complete lunatic came up to you and started a completely nonsensical conversation about complete rubbish much could still be learned from that person if you take the time BUT you have to be quiet to listen... On the other hand I could try to create a little ideological bubble around me and fabricate statements that ultimately falsely accuse people of violating the sanctity of that bubble almost regardless of the nature of the observations they were making; I could call this the "overt your eyes syndrome." In Animus Pax, Carl(o) "Not to be confused with any other Carls of more sterling charater (<---this misspelling thrown in just for Custer) on the list. If I should 'tarnish' a Carl's reputation in anyway I would rather that it be mine. :^P```" Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 22:45:31 2003 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:45:48 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: Speed limits and "categorical BS" well said, i suppose.... but you miss the point. I wasnt talking to Dave. nor did i attribute the quote to him. read the quote, tell me where I dont get from that "faster speeds are safer". we arent talking about 'maintaining the flow of traffic' here. we're talking reckless driving, by definition, above 80mph. Once again, the poster said: >There are places in America, northern Nevada for instance, where 75 is too >damn slow and higher speeds are in fact safer then low speeds. as a reminder, the 75mph is the national speed limit. I interpret "too 'damned' slow" to be a significant statement, followed by "higher speeds are...safer". Theres a lot of people out there looking for an excuse to justify their actions. all i'm asking for is the caveat that "this may not apply to everyone" (especially coming from the mouth of a safety instructor) and removing this red herring of 'safety in speed'.... I have read too much of people who justify their 90mph sprints as "just trying to stay in front of traffic" when in fact, you never really are in front. admit you dont think certain rules apply to you (but probably to others) and quit wrapping yourself in a conspiracy cloak.... everyone wants to be a libertarian when it comes to the stuff they want to do. but lifting a speed limit applies to minivans and suv's too..... I'm sure most here would say (based on past postings) 'oh, not those people. they cant drive.' the same applies to the total arrogance of the lane splitting arguement..... but thats a whole nother can of worms. :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 22:50:28 2003 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:03:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Speed limits and "categorical BS" On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Bruce Brownlee wrote: > everyone wants to be a libertarian when it comes to the stuff they want to do. > but lifting a speed limit applies to minivans and suv's too..... I'm sure > most > here would say (based on past postings) 'oh, not those people. they cant > drive.' > > the same applies to the total arrogance of the lane splitting arguement..... > but thats a whole nother can of worms. :-) Let me add my .02... you guys give me an ice cream headache. :-) -- Wayne 'yes I read the whole damn thread... ugh.' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 23:07:30 2003 Subject: RE: Speed limits and "categorical BS" Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:07:22 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Wayne Edelen" , > Let me add my .02... you guys give me an ice cream headache. :-) > > -- Wayne 'yes I read the whole damn thread... ugh.' > I should have known better than to use that equivocal subject line. --Witold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 30 23:39:11 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speed limits and "categorical BS" Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:27:50 -0400 I believe in VA over 80 CAN be reckless, unless it's changed. I've been pulled over for speeding over 80 and not given reckless, but that was a few years ago. >From: Bruce Brownlee >To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" >Subject: Re: Speed limits and "categorical BS" >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:45:48 -0400 > >well said, i suppose.... but you miss the point. I wasnt talking to Dave. >nor did i attribute the quote to him. > >read the quote, tell me where I dont get from that "faster speeds are >safer". we arent talking about 'maintaining the flow of traffic' here. >we're talking reckless driving, by definition, above 80mph. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail