From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 16:44:41 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Altaan Choudhry" , Subject: Re: 60 Minutes II Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:45:55 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Altaan Choudhry" > > AMA REPORTS THAT "60 MINUTES II" WILL AIR REPORT ON MOTORCYCLE RACING > > PICKERINGTON, OHIO -- The American Motorcyclist > Association (AMA) has learned that the CBS News > program "60 Minutes II" is expected to air > a report about "extreme motorcycle competition" on > Wednesday, June 4 at 9:00 p.m. ET. > > As the AMA reported in November, a CBS News producer > first contacted the AMA in late September, claiming to > be working on a "balanced, fair, and accurate" segment > about "the growth, success, and excitement" of AMA > Supercross.... This is a joke right? 60 Minutes is interested in hard-boiled bare-knuckles reporting. They're not interested softball stories on anyone's "growth, success and excitement." Anyone but their own, that is. Paul in DC, who is not as naive as the AMA, apparently.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 16:46:00 2003 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:44:55 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Larry Larson CC: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keep your eyes OPEN! (Video link) Larry Larson wrote: > > The new and improved acronym is SEE.. > > > > Search - Evaluate - Execute = SEE > > Oughta loan that one to Rumsfeld, Ashforth, and their merry > bands of screw-ups. > > But for the Big Cheese himself, it would have to be SEEL: > > Search - Evaluate - Execute - Lie > > -- Larry Dang! Even with the dismal rain I was having a great day until you mentioned that band of hooligans! For Ashforth, did you John ASScroft? A perfect bushite - lose an election to dead man, get a prezidential appointment. Yep, losers, all of them... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 16:51:37 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: older bikes for sale Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:51:29 -0400 Someone recently posted a '70s Brit bike for a friend, perhaps Patti? Could you please send me that email again. A co-worker is looking for something along those lines. Thanks. Rich '02 SVS '94 Seca II (FS in this Sat Post) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 17:09:59 2003 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:09:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: Paul Wilson Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Paul Wilson wrote: > > FWIW, I've done the cheap boots thing, and gotten what I paid for and tossed > 'em a couple months later. I don't mind paying for something I use just > about every single day. A Long Distance riding friend of mine once said "I've spent way more than $200 telling myself I don't need $200 motorcycle boots" - I think he's got Oxtars now, and he's happy. Hork, gonna buy $200 boots when my $50 boots wear out. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 17:12:58 2003 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:12:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Fish Flowers wrote: > Plus, I currently have a big lack of luggage on the bike. SWMBO bought me > a tank bag for Christmas (which I finally got to use last night, woo!), > but it's not large enough to carry a pair of boots, or even shoes. Well, back in the day, when I *used* to hafta work for a living, I used to keep a pair of dress shoes in my bottom drawer at the office. Walk in wearing boots, walk around all day in shoes, and boot up again before going home. Every now and then I would forget, and remember about the time I had to make that first upshift.... Hork, retired -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 17:13:08 2003 Subject: Re: Another sad loss... Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:05:00 -0500 From: To: Yikes Matt, How do you get yourself in these situations?? George >>> matthew patton 06/04/03 03:03PM >>> Heh, if the hype/fear my co-instructors is true, I've got some young gang-banger looking to drill a hole into me because I had the audacity to push him 2 steps to the side so an oncoming student's motorcycle would not hit him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 19:23:59 2003 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: fish@XXXXXX Fish, I have (and wear to work at a big DC law firm - though admittedly I usually throw on some dress shoes once there) Cruiserworks boots. http://www.cruiserworks.com/ Good people, great low-key yet still protective boots, and completely waterproof (as evidenced all too well during the last monsoo . . . er, month). Aaron formerly of the Speed Triple, now of the 1150GS. > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:42:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fish Flowers > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Boot recommendations? > > Well, now that I'm trying to do the bike-only thing, > the boot situation > has become critical. No more caging it because it's > pissing down rain and > my toesies don't like being wet. > > Any recommendations for a good boot? I'm primarily > looking for something > which is waterproof, protective, and low-profile; > I'll be wearing these > things at work (both gigs), so something without > flashing neon lights and > a whirling propeller-beanie-thing in back would be > good. > > Any comments on the Aerostich Combat Touring boot? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 4 21:39:57 2003 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:37:43 -0400 Subject: Combat Touring boots From: Bob McKeithen To: CC: DC Cycles I stepped up a got a pair about a month ago. I absolutely love them. very comfortable on and off the bike. I was concerned about whether they would be waterproof since no claim of such is made in the catalog. I did take great care to seal the seams with seam sealer and applied waterproofing to the rest of the boots. Shortly after that I made trip to Western Ohio and back. On the way back I spent about six hours in a downpour and arrived home with dry feet. On the downside they are heavy and very stiff until they break in. And they are ugly. You might also check Cruiserworks.com. I have a pair of theirs and they are as claimed completely waterproof. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 06:25:12 2003 Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jun 2003 06:20:46 -0400 On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 14:53, Larry Larson wrote: > Scott wrote: > > > This is starting to sound like an old Army commercial. > > "We do more before 9am than most people do all day" > > Not from this corner. 8;) By noon, I've been at work for > half an hour and am just finishing my first humongous cup > of coffee; 3pm is normally lunch. So I'll be riding > directly to breakfast on July 16th. > While I don't drink coffee, I do drink lots of diet-coke. Caffeine free in the evenings and regular during the day. A *snort* bagel at 8:30 and lunch at 11. > Those small-numbered a.m. hours that some masochist > mentioned don't actually exist in our little corner of > Alexandria. > I thought that was when the partiers got home? > The plus of all this is that I really don't have any > traffic problems at all. > Neither do I. Traffic usually moves along briskly (65 on rainy days like this morning and 120 on normal days; _I'm_ not doing 120 but everyone else is -) And I already know what's going on at work before anyone else. A must for an info junkie like me. > Remember, the early worms get the bird. > > -- Larry > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 07:50:29 2003 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 07:50:19 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 06:20 AM 6/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 14:53, Larry Larson wrote: > > Scott wrote: > > > > > This is starting to sound like an old Army commercial. > > > "We do more before 9am than most people do all day" > > > > Not from this corner. 8;) By noon, I've been at work for > > half an hour and am just finishing my first humongous cup > > of coffee; 3pm is normally lunch. So I'll be riding > > directly to breakfast on July 16th. > > > >While I don't drink coffee, I do drink lots of diet-coke. Caffeine free >in the evenings and regular during the day. Coffee is a must have, though, I've managed to wean myself back to a cup or two in the morning, down from pots throughout the day. >A *snort* bagel at 8:30 and lunch at 11. Man, that must hurt. Especially if it was toasted. > > Remember, the early worms get the bird. And the second mouse gets the cheese. Ob Moto: Killing time, waiting for laundry, and for traffic to mellow and for the the roads to dry a bit, and I'll be outta here!!! :-) -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 08:39:11 2003 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:37:07 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: Fwd: [East2] Call For Checks -- RCR XII To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dunno how many people here are on the "East" list, but RCR has always been a bunch of fun. I'm not going to make it this year, due to other commitments. >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:16:51 -0400 (EDT) >From: Martyn Wheeler >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [East2] Call For Checks -- RCR XII > >The Twelfth Annual Right Coast Ride >June 27-29, 2003 > >Come one, come all to the twelfth edition of what is now believed to be >the longest-running continuous Denizens of Doom motorcycle rally! It is >to be held at the Blue Ridge Motorcycle Campground >(http://www.blueridgemotorcyclecamp.com) at Cruso, North Carolina. > >The Right Coast Ride (RCR) is an annual gathering of the Denizens of >Doom, usenet's very own motorcycle gang. It is aimed at bringing >together biker geeks from the "right" coast of North America -- from the >eastern seaboard to the Mississippi River. The RCR has been happening >every year since 1992 as a floating event, moving around to various >sites within the area bounded by the Mason-Dixon Line on the north and >the North Carolina/South Carolina border on the south. This year's RCR >will be returning to the North Carolina mountains, but to a new location >promising different twisty roads and a great motorcycle campground. > >You do *not* have to be a "member" of the Denizens of Doom, have a >number, know who the Keeper is, or even known anything about bikes or >computers, or anything like that to attend. Everyone who gets this >message is automatically an honorary Computer Geek on Bike and will be >welcome, as will friends, family, and children. Please feel free to >redistribute this message to appropriate regional mailing lists. > >Attendance has varied widely from RCR to RCR, with 36 when we had one >out in western Kentucky to just over 100 for one of the Maryland >retreats. The NC mountains are a popular destination, and we're hoping >for a good turnout this year. > >This year, lodging and meal costs will be handled between individual >attendees and the campground. > >Call the campground directly at (828) 235-8350 to book your cabin or >campsite, and mention that you're with the Denizens of Doom. "RCR >Central" will be cabin #17 by the trout pond, but feel free to set up >anywhere you want. > >Cabin rental includes sheets, pillows, blankets, and bath towels. They >have windows and electric heat, and are furnished for two people. The >nightly rate is $40.00 per cabin. The campground has a central >bathhouse with separate showers and private dressing areas, and there >are also laundry facilities between the separate men's and women's >bathhouses. > >Reservations are not required for tent camping. The cost is $15.00 per >night for a single and $22.00 for a double per tent, with additional >tents at $9.00. The camp store rents mattresses, towels, and other items. > >Late arrivals: Anyone who's planning on a late arrival please let >Sharon (sharon@XXXXXX) know ahead of time. Tenters are asked to >set up near the gate that night, and cabin renters will be left a key -- >if the campground management knows ahead of time! > >The campground serves breakfast and dinner, and they're setting up a >tent for the RCR dinner/ceremony for Saturday night. Dinner costs will, >again, be paid directly to the campground rather than going through the >RCR "organization." > >HOWEVER, we will be providing beer and sodas (soda, water, other >non-alchoholic drinks). If you want to participate in this, we need you >to pay us for it. :-) As last year, a selection of beer will be >available Friday and Saturday night, and soda/water/juice as well. > Martyn will *not* be Beer Czar -- Melanie Drake is the Beer Czarina -- >so it'll mostly be decent microbrew and so on. > >Beer and Soda >$13.00 >Soda only >$5.00 > > >Checks should be made out to Sharon Wheeler and sent to: > > Sharon Wheeler > 12 S. Berrymeadow Lane > Durham, NC 27703-7176 > > >In addition, would everyone planning to attend please fill out and sign >the following waiver, and send it to the above address. We will have >copies at the RCR for last-minute attendees. > >We need the form and check by June 20th, or email sharon@XXXXXX if >you think it's going to be late. > >============================================================================ >Waiver Form >============================================================================ > >The following is a release and Indemnity - >Please read it before submitting your registration. > >I hereby give up all my rights to sue or make any claim for damages due to >negligence or any other reason whatsoever against Sharon Wheeler, >Blue Ridge Motorcycle Campground, >and all other persons, participants or organizations conducting or >connected with this event for injury to property or person I may suffer, >including crippling injury or death, while participating in the event and >while on event premises. > >I know the risks of danger to myself and my property while preparing for >and participating in the event and while on event premises and, relying on >my own judgement and ability, assume all such risks of loss and hereby >agree to reimburse all costs to those persons or organizations connected >with this event for damages incurred as a result of my negligence. > >THIS IS A RELEASE: > > >___________________________ ___________________________ _________ >Name of rider (print) Signature of Rider Date > > >THIS IS A RELEASE: > > >___________________________ ___________________________ _________ >Name of passenger (print) Signature of Rider Date > > > >Please print name & phone number of a contact in the event of an emergency: > > >___________________________ ________________________ ____________ >Name Phone Number Relationship > > >___________________________ ________________________ ____________ >Name Phone Number Relationship -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 09:04:05 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:03:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: TAKE THIS OFF-LIST (was Re: Keep your eyes OPEN!) To: "William J. Huson" , Larry Larson Cc: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Let's nip this in the bud right now. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH MOTORCYCLES. Please take it off list immediately. This isn't a political discussion group. Chris Weaver --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Larry Larson wrote: > > > > The new and improved acronym is SEE.. > > > > > > Search - Evaluate - Execute = SEE > > > > Oughta loan that one to Rumsfeld, Ashforth, and > their merry > > bands of screw-ups. > > > > But for the Big Cheese himself, it would have to > be SEEL: > > > > Search - Evaluate - Execute - Lie > > > > -- Larry > > Dang! Even with the dismal rain I was having a > great day until you > mentioned that band of hooligans! For Ashforth, > did you John > ASScroft? A perfect bushite - lose an election to > dead man, get a > prezidential appointment. Yep, losers, all of > them... > > Bill > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 10:29:08 2003 From: "stephen" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Boot recommendations Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:30:36 -0400 For those of us with soccer-player legs: Oxtar Goretex Matrix boots. http://www.newenough.com/boots_gloves/oxtar_street_boots.htm MCN had this to say: http://www.newenough.com/boots_gloves/oxtar_boot_images/matrix_goretex/mcn_r eport.jpg Buy them in your exact (North American) shoe size. So much better than the Italian boot manufacturers Euro-sizing where you have to guess whether to get the size that's two, or three larger than what you should _really_ be ordering. I think the Italians just want to think they have large feet... If you're a fly-weight, these might not be your best option, but for those of us with some power in the calves, these are GREAT. I bought some Hein Gericke's before these, and they're CRAP! Soles fell off and HG wouldn't do a thing about it. Grrrr. I've glued them back on with Barge Cement, but I'd never buy another pair of HG's boots. And you can leave a pair of shoes at work to wear while you are there. Stephen > From: Fish Flowers > > Any recommendations for a good boot? I'm primarily looking for something > which is waterproof, protective, and low-profile; I'll be wearing these > things at work (both gigs), so something without flashing neon lights and > a whirling propeller-beanie-thing in back would be good. > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 11:28:02 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Boot recommendations? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:30:44 -0400 Horkster huckstered, "gonna buy $200 boots when my $50 boots wear out." Dang, I had been leering at the Sidis but guess my $99 Alpinstars (bought in 97) will last until I get a tricycle or hack. Frequent sole-ful applications of Goop or ShooGoo keep my toesies off the asphalt but elicited an "Ooo, is that contagious?" from someone who hasn't hiked a lot in their new booties. If you don't have waterproof boots, a pair of Totes is hunky dory. Spritz some ArmorAll in them for easy donning and doffing. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 14:59:49 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? I know that Scott and at least one other person were planning to head over to Starbucks in Rockville tonight. I said I was in, but won't be able to make it. Gotta make a parts run for car stuff :-) Rode in today, absolutely gorgeous... except for the cagers on 270 running into each other and snarling traffic. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 15:14:25 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:13:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [138.88.20.4] at Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:14:11 -0500 Well, I will have to make it next week also. Two reasons, 1 I have to work till midnight and two, my bike is in College Park and I am in Rockville. Due to my recent separation and the weather, I haven't had the time to go get it. Maybe I can this weekend, I want to take it to Harrisburg, PA for the weekend. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? > I know that Scott and at least one other person were planning to head over > to Starbucks in Rockville tonight. I said I was in, but won't be able to > make it. Gotta make a parts run for car stuff :-) > > Rode in today, absolutely gorgeous... except for the cagers on 270 running > into each other and snarling traffic. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 15:17:05 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, S. Russell wrote: > Well, I will have to make it next week also. Two reasons, 1 I have to work > till midnight and two, my bike is in College Park and I am in Rockville. Ugh, work 'til midnight? That sucks. I hope you got to enjoy some of the nice weather today. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 15:50:53 2003 From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:50:33 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cHVyZHlqZXJlbXlAYXR0Lm5ldA== Bill commented: >Fish Flowers wrote: > >> Well, now that I'm trying to do the bike-only thing, the boot situation >> has become critical. No more caging it because it's pissing down rain and >> my toesies don't like being wet. >> >> Any recommendations for a good boot? I'm primarily looking for something >> which is waterproof, protective, and low-profile; I'll be wearing these >> things at work (both gigs), so something without flashing neon lights and >> a whirling propeller-beanie-thing in back would be good. >> >> Any comments on the Aerostich Combat Touring boot? >> >> Fish. > >Solution: Get a pair of boots and carry shoes to wear at work. Your feet >will love you. > >Bill Or, if you have your own desk / locker leave a pair of shoes at work, that's what I do. Most solid leather boots (meaning without seams on top) will keep out most water as long as you don't step into a puddle and your rain gear covers the top of the boot. Most of the wetness I get in the rain comes from water soaking through the cuff of my pants which stick a little bit below my raing gear while riding. This water eventually transfers from my pants to my socks which is what gets MY feet wet in the rain. Naturally, your own mileage will vary. Jeremy -- Jeremy Purdy - '00 Yamaha V-Star purdyjeremy@XXXXXX "That man alone is wise who remains master of himself." - Confucius From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 16:57:53 2003 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:57:55 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Radar detectors? I was thinking about hooking up my radar detector to my bike, maybe placing it in the tank bag for stealth. Anyone have any advice, or experience with this? Thanks, George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 17:39:19 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Radar detectors? On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, George Cole wrote: > I was thinking about hooking up my radar detector to my bike, maybe placing it in the tank bag for stealth. > > Anyone have any advice, or experience with this? http://www.motorcycleradar.com/ http://www.saeng.com/ http://www.stemstand.com/ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 18:14:55 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'George Cole'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Radar detectors? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:14:46 -0400 Even in the map pocket, you won't see it light up if it goes off. You'll need to have an external audio hookup (wired into helmet), or a super loud speaker for it, in which case, the traffic and people around you will look at you funny when you stop and the thing is going off and you can't get to the volume quick enough. The in-helmet speaker thing works, and it helps to be able to look at the detector after you get an alert to assess the threat. Mike - V1 96 VFR w/ fabbed mount under windshield 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: George Cole [SMTP:George.Cole@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:58 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Radar detectors? > > I was thinking about hooking up my radar detector to my bike, maybe > placing it in the tank bag for stealth. > > Anyone have any advice, or experience with this? > > Thanks, > > George > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 18:29:43 2003 Subject: RE: Radar detectors? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:27:00 -0500 From: To: , Thanks Michael, I have a V1 and was looking at the optional Remote Audio Adapter, that will be next for me then. George >>> Michael Lynch 06/05/03 06:14PM >>> The in-helmet speaker thing works, and it helps to be able to look at the detector after you get an alert to assess the threat. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 19:07:53 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:19:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Radar detectors? On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks Michael, > > I have a V1 and was looking at the optional Remote Audio Adapter, that > will be > next for me then. > > George Check out the screamer at motorcycleradar.com as another option. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 19:26:47 2003 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:01:49 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: Radar detectors? At 05:27 PM 6/5/03 -0500, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >Thanks Michael, > >I have a V1 and was looking at the optional Remote Audio Adapter, that >will be >next for me then. > >George > > >>> Michael Lynch 06/05/03 06:14PM >>> > The in-helmet speaker thing works, and it helps to >be able to look at the detector after you get an alert to assess the >threat. > > > Check out the H.A.R.D. device. Not cheap, but it works: http://www.legalspeeding.com Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red, STOC # 1157 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 20:41:10 2003 Subject: RE: Radar detectors? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:38:00 -0500 From: To: , That is cool, thanks for the link George >>> Bob Meyer 06/05/03 07:01PM >>> Check out the H.A.R.D. device. Not cheap, but it works: http://www.legalspeeding.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 20:49:44 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:49:31 EDT Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/5/2003 7:50:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > down from pots throughout the day How big is a mumble pot? I was once drinking 6 or 7 cups a day which is of course way too much. So I got a bigger cup. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 21:17:36 2003 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:19:17 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Dan Brown cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: [East2] Call For Checks -- RCR XII On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Dan Brown wrote: > > > Dunno how many people here are on the "East" list, but RCR has always > been a bunch of fun. I'm not going to make it this year, due to other > commitments. > >The Twelfth Annual Right Coast Ride > >June 27-29, 2003 I've got the vacation lined up, and would like to find some other folks who might be headed for the RCR to travel with. I thought I'd talked a friend into going, but it looks like he is backing out on me... I'll know better by the end of the weekend. I do have a cabin reserved with 2 beds, so if the friend flakes on me I can even offer to split a cabin if there is someone out there who wanted to go, but couldn't get cabin space. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 22:24:23 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: GPS watches Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:23:19 -0400 Perhaps old news to some, this happened by. GPS (and other, like upcoming Microsoft SPOT -- page down on the 1st page) watches. None seen specific to road travel, but probably could be adapted (like the mariners' M9?). http://www.suuntowatches.com Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Later for GPS. I'm engrossed in the current "Tribology Letters". (Tribology -- the study of friction, lubrication and wear.) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 5 22:39:53 2003 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:38:41 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: GPS watches Mobacc wrote: > Perhaps old news to some, this happened by. GPS (and other, like upcoming > Microsoft SPOT -- page down on the 1st page) watches. None seen specific to > road travel, but probably could be adapted (like the mariners' M9?). Sheesh, GPS... Like you're on your scoot, going for a ride. Who cares where you are? A cell phone is good, you can call home and... "Sweetie, I'm in some godforsaken place called East BugSplat, don't know long it'll take me to get home. Err... don't wait up!" Bill Lost is good... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 00:02:07 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:02:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Radar, MD SV saga X-AvMilter-Key: 1054872424:af0b6d938b72360403779e2a4644f9d4 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey V1 is great... just an extra load of $$ for headphones and remote mute on top of the $400 for the unit. For the bikes, I really dig my Passport 8500. Personally tested to about 95% of the V1's stellar performance on many a trip with a V1-owning ST rider, plus it comes with a headphone jack and remote mute switch, and its $120 cheaper than the base-model V1. Have a blank R-A-M base with velcro... simple install/takedown... fits in the tank bag (obviously sans LIDAR) for VA. They need a warrant to search, and it's VG2 invisible anyway, so it's all good. For good measure, occasoinally throw in the Uniden BearTracker scanner which also picks up the MD state trooper's shirt-pocket relay signal and sounds a special beep if there's a trooper out of his car within a mile or two. Combine with a good visual scan, and some common sense, and you've got a paranoid technogeek's solution to remaining performance-award-free. The SV saga (which started with almost not being able to get the rental car, then not being able to get the cashier's check, then picking up the bike and geting an OH temp tag that read "666" down the middle, then involved a tussle with a huge dislocated chunk of asphalt in the middle of WV requiring a new front wheel just 6 hours into ownership, thus making MD inspection a headache) has now shifted from jinxed to outright absurd. The title was torn by a letter opener accidentally by the PO. He took it to his OH-BMV and they said, "No problem... just tape it up. No big deal." Upon FINALLY trying to transfer it all over to the MD-MVA, I was in the home stretch... then a trooper comes over to me and asks me to come back to speak with the manager. "We have reason to believe your title is fraudulent. Our trained document experts noticed that the watermark and individual fibers don't line up or match on both sides. We're going to confiscate it, launch an investigation, and we'd like to send a trooper over to look at the bike." ! Translation - the document monkey flung poo because there was tape on the title, even though visually, everything was obviously the same sheet, just about 2 millimeters off, and any idiot with common sense could see that. Finally talked 'em down to letting me try to straighten it all out first. PO was skeptical at first (I don't blame him), but is now getting a new title, re-notarizing everything, and FedExing it back. Luckily, this thing is worth it. Looking past all the red tape, I've never had so much fun with a bike before. -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com '01 SV650S - "Sugared Voodoo" '95 GPz1100 - "Cruise Missile" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 06:17:57 2003 Subject: Re: Ride-to-Work day, July 16? From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 06 Jun 2003 06:00:21 -0400 On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 15:11, Wayne Edelen wrote: > I know that Scott and at least one other person were planning to head over > to Starbucks in Rockville tonight. I said I was in, but won't be able to > make it. Gotta make a parts run for car stuff :-) > > Rode in today, absolutely gorgeous... except for the cagers on 270 running > into each other and snarling traffic. > I put on the windshield (which I didn't do even for the ride to NC) and wore my wet suit. I call it a wet suit because as long as it's just damp it'll keep the water out but once it gets wet I do to. It's in the trash now and I'm hunting replacement gear. These $10 suits work about like you'd expect. Oh and I used wally-mart bags on my boots with cable ties to hold them on to keep them dry ;-) > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 07:27:34 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 04:27:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: NoVA: MSF Required? Is the MSF course required to get a moto endorsement in VA? A coworker was just commenting on how cute my new bike is (SWMBO sez it looks like Smurf Barf, so this opinion is not universal), and on how much she'd like to get her license in VA. Apparently she's ridden her father's Harleys before, and some offroad stuff, but no serious street riding. I mentioned the MSF course with high praise, and she allowed as to how she'd like to take it, but was disappointed that it was always booked solid. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 07:39:31 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 04:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: No More Nighthawk 750s. SWMBO is making me sell her old cage. (Anyone want to buy a 93 Grand Am V6, auto, 110k, $1200?) A guy came down yesterday afternoon to look at it, who turned out to be Paul, the manager of Honda Powersports of Crofton, up on MD-3. I mentioned that I'd just been in his shop two days ago, and was a little disappointed to see a big lack of Nighthawk 750s... to which his response was "Yeah, we're unlikely to get any more -- they're discontinuing the model. This is the last year they'll be sold." I haven't seen anything about this in the moto press. The Honda website is, shall we say, uninformative on the issue. Anyone heard anything on this? Blah! This makes me inexplicably sad. I always sort of liked the CB750, and the price was certainly better than the 919, which (according to Paul) is supposed to take up the role of Honda's naked standard. And Honda's never been very good about offering a midsize standard, either. Fish. 91 gs500e 92 gs500e (b0rken) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 07:45:30 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 04:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Feast in the East IX (fwd) Anyone thinking of going to FitE IX this year? MapQuest seems to think that Statesville, NC is about 7 hours from here, and the rally itself is only 11 hours long. Seems like it might be doable for a first rally... (If they accept newbies and noodniks like me, that is.) Fish. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:29:53 -0400 From: Bryan Moody To: LD List Riders Subject: LDRider: Feast in the East IX The 9th Annual Feast in the East Rally and Feast registration is now open. Returning to North Carolina and the "mini-rally/early bonus" format that we pioneered back in 1999! Details at: http://www.automated-design.com/feast Come on! We'll have a great time. Bryan Moody FitE 5,6,7,9 Rallymaster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 07:49:57 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:48:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: NoVA: MSF Required? Fish Flowers wrote: > Is the MSF course required to get a moto endorsement in VA? No. One can pass the DMV M/C written test and get a learners permit and after a short time take the riding portion of the test. The riding test is a pisser, she'll need a easy to handle light bike. Sport bikes with limited steering lock-to-lock and mega-cruisers are cone squashers. > A coworker was just commenting on how cute my new bike is (SWMBO sez it > looks like Smurf Barf, so this opinion is not universal), and on how much > she'd like to get her license in VA. Apparently she's ridden her father's > Harleys before, and some offroad stuff, but no serious street riding. I > mentioned the MSF course with high praise, and she allowed as to how she'd > like to take it, but was disappointed that it was always booked solid. Methinks booked to Sept/Oct - not solid, and she'll never get a class without registering. Register. Call in under the squeaky wheel gets the grease rule and try to jump into a cancellation spot. Or, try Germana (Fredricksburg) or Lord Fairfax (Winchester). I don't think there as booked up as our suburban sites. > > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 08:02:25 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:01:25 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Feast in the East IX (fwd) Fish Flowers wrote: > Anyone thinking of going to FitE IX this year? MapQuest seems to think > that Statesville, NC is about 7 hours from here, and the rally itself is > only 11 hours long. Seems like it might be doable for a first rally... (If > they accept newbies and noodniks like me, that is.) > > Fish. 7 hours is about right. Close to my Southern Belles's home port of Spencer NC. You can do superslab I-95 to I-85, or I-66 to I-81 to I-77, or do Route 29 all the way down, add a couple hours. That will get you close, Statesville is off the slab track a bit. Not sure what the feast is, but I'm guessing Carolina Barbeque. Statesville is near the Famous Lexington #1 Barbeque. Chow so good you won't quit eating until they have to roll you out to your bike *urp*. If you go and happen to see a tall redhead named Gladys, tell her Carpetbagger sends his regards. Um, be prepared to run for your life :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 08:58:08 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:00:16 -0400 Subject: FW: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! From: Steve Miller To: FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the Maryland area. ---------- From: "scratch3386" Reply-To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:39:35 -0000 To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last night that Edge Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other day. Edge specialized in race-ready crotchrockets, Suzuki's in particular IIRC. According to the news report (which I'll post a link to as soon as I can find it) the police noticed activity there late at night, decided to check it out, found the owner and/or employees working on bikes, ran the tags on one of the bikes in the shop, and it came back 'stolen'. Further investigation turned up several stolen bikes, frames with the VIN's ground off, parts galore. If you or someone you know has lost a bike in the last couple months (particularly a 'Zuk crotchrocket), ya might wanna check with the Howard Co. police department to see if it wound up there.... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SV650_BALT_DC-unsubscribe@XXXXXX Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:04:15 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 06:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Since most of the owners of those bikes have probably been paid off by their respective insurance companies, I wonder if there will eventually be an auction by the county to sell the bikes and parts? Hmm... track bikes... Chris --- Steve Miller wrote: > FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the > Maryland area. > From: "scratch3386" > Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! > > I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last > night that Edge > Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other > day. Edge > specialized in race-ready crotchrockets, Suzuki's in > particular IIRC. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:16:43 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:15:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Feast in the East IX (fwd) To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Fish Flowers wrote: > > Anyone thinking of going to FitE IX this year? You bet your sweet bippy (whatever the heck that means). Bryan Moody is a friend of mine, and he runs an excellent rally. I've really enjoyed myself the 3 other times I've run in the Feast. I'm sending in the registration this morning. > MapQuest seems to think > that Statesville, NC is about 7 hours from here, and the rally itself is > only 11 hours long. Seems like it might be doable for a first rally... (If > they accept newbies and noodniks like me, that is.) It was my first rally, too. There is some really nice riding down there, and Bryan seems to know most of the good roads. It's also a nice way to "try out" endurance riding without risking being on the North Side of Lake Michigan at 3am when you discover that you aren't having fun anymore. :) Icantwaitcantwaitcantwait. Hork > Fish. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:29:53 -0400 > From: Bryan Moody > To: LD List Riders > Subject: LDRider: Feast in the East IX > > The 9th Annual Feast in the East Rally and Feast registration is now open. > > Returning to North Carolina and the "mini-rally/early bonus" format that we > pioneered back in 1999! > > Details at: > http://www.automated-design.com/feast > > Come on! We'll have a great time. > > Bryan Moody > FitE 5,6,7,9 Rallymaster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:19:22 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:31:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > Since most of the owners of those bikes have probably > been paid off by their respective insurance companies, > I wonder if there will eventually be an auction by the > county to sell the bikes and parts? Hmm... track > bikes... Seems to me that the insurance companies would own the bikes, not the county. Do the insurance companies have regular auctions to dispose of vehicles in this condition? Either way, it sucks for the owners of the bikes :-( I'd be distraut if some dirtbag stole my motorcycle. Not from a financial standpoint, but just the fact that it's *my* bike and although I don't have a lot of mods, I have put a lot of time/TLC into the bike. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:21:49 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'George Cole'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Radar detectors? Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:21:40 -0400 I was bored with it raining and all so I installed one I had in my truck on my gsxr600. I ordered a stem stand. I also put in a 12v plug thing from radio shack that is flush mounted in the trunk. So now I can plug my phone and charge it while I ride. I'll post some pictures later. -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Radar detectors? I was thinking about hooking up my radar detector to my bike, maybe placing it in the tank bag for stealth. Anyone have any advice, or experience with this? Thanks, George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:23:40 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:22:08 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. At 07:39 AM 6/6/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: >Blah! This makes me inexplicably sad. I always sort of liked the CB750, >and the price was certainly better than the 919, which (according to Paul) >is supposed to take up the role of Honda's naked standard. And Honda's >never been very good about offering a midsize standard, either. Its a lot of peoples' first bike, but rarely their lifelong companion. I always said I would have kept mine if I had the money and room. But that is true of any bike I guess. I liked everything about the CB750 except power delivery and sportiness, but it wasn't designed as a superbike. And back on the SV v VFR thread ..... I won't be replacing my VFR with an SV, just complementing that side of the garage with one ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:28:41 2003 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:28:28 -0400 I think it may be more complicated than that. I've had one CBR totalled by a hit and run driver, a run in with a flying brick of concrete on a beltway offramp and another CBR stolen. If my current ride gets ripped off, I'll get reimbursed but I'll get cancelled for sure. At that point the cost of insurance from another company would be prohibitive and my riding days would come to an end. I see bike thieves as a direct threat to my riding and I do everything I can to protect it. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Tech Support: "What's on your screen right now?" Customer: "A stuffed animal that my boyfriend got me at the grocery store." Either way, it sucks for the owners of the bikes :-( I'd be distraut if some dirtbag stole my motorcycle. Not from a financial standpoint, but just the fact that it's *my* bike and although I don't have a lot of mods, I have put a lot of time/TLC into the bike. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:48:08 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:50:27 -0400 Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. From: Steve Miller To: DC-Cycles on 6/6/03 7:39 AM, Fish Flowers at fish@XXXXXX wrote: >And Honda's > never been very good about offering a midsize standard, either. > Not true. In the late 1980s they had the CB1, Hawk GT, and GB500. And in the early to mid 1970s, you had MANY middleweight standards, most notably the CB350 twins and fours, the CB400F Supersport, the CB500/550 Fours, etc. That was when the 750 was a "big" bike, and "small bikes" were under 250cc. I'm a little surprised that Honda hasn't come out with a new version of the Hawk GT to compete with the SV 650, which seems to be selling well. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 09:49:03 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 06:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Feast in the East IX (fwd) To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles I'm going. I'll sign up for the rally as soon as I can sell another $70 in parts to get the money into my PayPal account. Leon. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Anyone thinking of going to FitE IX this year? > MapQuest seems to think > that Statesville, NC is about 7 hours from here, and > the rally itself is > only 11 hours long. Seems like it might be doable > for a first rally... (If > they accept newbies and noodniks like me, that is.) > > Fish. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:29:53 -0400 > From: Bryan Moody > To: LD List Riders > Subject: LDRider: Feast in the East IX > > The 9th Annual Feast in the East Rally and Feast > registration is now open. > > Returning to North Carolina and the > "mini-rally/early bonus" format that we > pioneered back in 1999! > > Details at: > http://www.automated-design.com/feast > > Come on! We'll have a great time. > > Bryan Moody > FitE 5,6,7,9 Rallymaster > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 10:00:06 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:53:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Feast in the East IX (fwd) To: Leon Begeman Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Leon Begeman wrote: > > I'm going. I'll sign up for the rally as soon as I > can sell another $70 in parts to get the money into my > PayPal account. Heh, I only had about $40 in my account, so I snail mailed a check instead. :) I don't suppose the 250s have the same junction box as the Connies, do they? I could use a spare. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX "My ambition in life is to Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth minimize my stress level." CM #001 NRA IBA COG '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - Neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 10:07:53 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:09:47 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > > Blah! This makes me inexplicably sad. I always sort of liked the CB750, > and the price was certainly better than the 919, which (according to Paul) > is supposed to take up the role of Honda's naked standard. And Honda's > never been very good about offering a midsize standard, either. > My first bike too, but I didn't regret "moving on." The Honda does make a variety of mid-range standards, BTW. They just choose not to sell them in the States. The CB500, CB500S, CB600F, CB500FS, for example. http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles Click on "traditional." Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 10:25:22 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > The Honda does make a variety of mid-range standards, BTW. They just > choose not to sell them in the States. The CB500, CB500S, CB600F, > CB500FS, for example. Wishful thinking: Honda ups the displacement on the CB600F slightly (so as not to compete directly with supersport 600s) and markets it in the US as, say, the 616, the 919's little brother. That'd be sweet. Fish. they have a better website, too From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 10:55:52 2003 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:55:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Radar, MD SV saga >fits in the tank bag (obviously sans LIDAR) for VA. >They need a warrant to search, Nope - just Probable Cause. Your hitting your brakes just after they paint you with radar once or twice furnishes that. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 11:29:28 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:29:17 EDT Subject: Re: NoVA: MSF Required? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2003 7:27:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > Is the MSF course required to get a moto endorsement in VA? No. If she can take the course during the week, she may be able to find one, the weekend classes fill quickly. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 11:32:04 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:31:53 EDT Subject: Re: Feast in the East IX (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2003 9:17:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > You bet your sweet bippy (whatever the heck that means). It means you are old enough to remember "Laugh In." John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 11:36:34 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:35:52 EDT Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2003 9:19:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > Do the insurance companies have regular auctions to dispose of > vehicles I think they aught to auction the dirtbags that stole em. Buy one and do whatever you like to em, I have a tree out back that could use "ornamentation." John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 11:39:01 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:38:41 EDT Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2003 9:48:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, freecat@XXXXXX writes: > I'm a little surprised that Honda hasn't come out with a new version of the > Hawk GT to compete with the SV 650, which seems to be selling well. Not to mention they are stll using the engine in Europe. Oh well "once burned, twice shy" I guess. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 12:48:21 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:48:05 -0400 In my experience, when you go to state run police auctions, if the police have confiscated vehicles or property for whatever reason (drugs, chop shop, illegal trespass), the state feels free to auction those vehicles off. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F 93 Caprice - state auction 88 RamCharger - state auction 94 B350 Van - state auction > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [SMTP:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:31 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Since most of the owners of those bikes have probably > > been paid off by their respective insurance companies, > > I wonder if there will eventually be an auction by the > > county to sell the bikes and parts? Hmm... track > > bikes... > > Seems to me that the insurance companies would own the bikes, not the > county. Do the insurance companies have regular auctions to dispose of > vehicles in this condition? > > Either way, it sucks for the owners of the bikes :-( I'd be distraut if > some dirtbag stole my motorcycle. Not from a financial standpoint, but > just the fact that it's *my* bike and although I don't have a lot of mods, > I have put a lot of time/TLC into the bike. :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 12:50:50 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Steve Miller , Subject: Re: FW: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:50:48 -0500 Yeah I saw that on the news too, wasn't there another ring busted in DC not to long ago. Rob On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:00:16 -0400, Steve Miller wrote > FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the Maryland area. > > ---------- > From: "scratch3386" > Reply-To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:39:35 -0000 > To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX > Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! > > I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last night that Edge > Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other day. Edge > specialized in race-ready crotchrockets, Suzuki's in particular IIRC. > > According to the news report (which I'll post a link to as soon as I > can find it) the police noticed activity there late at night, > decided to check it out, found the owner and/or employees working on > bikes, ran the tags on one of the bikes in the shop, and it came > back 'stolen'. Further investigation turned up several stolen > bikes, frames with the VIN's ground off, parts galore. > > If you or someone you know has lost a bike in the last couple months > (particularly a 'Zuk crotchrocket), ya might wanna check with the > Howard Co. police department to see if it wound up there.... > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SV650_BALT_DC-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 12:58:44 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:58:36 -0400 If I'm remembering correctly, the CB600F has a detuned CBR600 motor and is the single best selling bike in Europe. Just got back from Italy and they were everywhere, slicing up traffic like a hot knife thru butta. Oh, and the v-twin 650 Hawk motor is still alive and well over there. The Deauville, which is a faired, hard bagged, sporty/commuter/tourer has the motor, as does the Transalp (? I think that's it), a dual sport. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [SMTP:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:25 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > The Honda does make a variety of mid-range standards, BTW. They just > > choose not to sell them in the States. The CB500, CB500S, CB600F, > > CB500FS, for example. > > Wishful thinking: Honda ups the displacement on the CB600F slightly (so as > not to compete directly with supersport 600s) and markets it in the US as, > say, the 616, the 919's little brother. That'd be sweet. > > Fish. > they have a better website, too From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 13:02:48 2003 From: Jason Picton To: "'Rob Sharp'" , Steve Miller , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:02:26 -0400 Speaking of which - what happened to all of those bikes that were confiscated, etc.. hmmmm -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:51 PM To: Steve Miller; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! Yeah I saw that on the news too, wasn't there another ring busted in DC not to long ago. Rob On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:00:16 -0400, Steve Miller wrote > FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the Maryland area. > > ---------- > From: "scratch3386" > Reply-To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:39:35 -0000 > To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX > Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! > > I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last night that Edge > Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other day. Edge > specialized in race-ready crotchrockets, Suzuki's in particular IIRC. > > According to the news report (which I'll post a link to as soon as I > can find it) the police noticed activity there late at night, > decided to check it out, found the owner and/or employees working on > bikes, ran the tags on one of the bikes in the shop, and it came > back 'stolen'. Further investigation turned up several stolen > bikes, frames with the VIN's ground off, parts galore. > > If you or someone you know has lost a bike in the last couple months > (particularly a 'Zuk crotchrocket), ya might wanna check with the > Howard Co. police department to see if it wound up there.... > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SV650_BALT_DC-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 14:36:18 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:36:04 EDT Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2003 12:58:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MLynch@XXXXXX writes: > Transalp (? I think that's it), a dual sport. That be it. Honda imported it here for a couple of years, a great bike that failed here because so many do not know a good thing when they see it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 17:15:14 2003 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:14:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: British bike thieves receive justice.... http://www.fahncahn.com/test/bikethieves/bikethieves.htm Wow. That's all I can say. -s- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 17:40:35 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:40:29 -0400 > Transalp (? I think that's it), a dual sport. And the Africa Twin, Yamaha's TDM, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. The only surviving "Adventure Tourers" in any quantity are the Suzuki DL-1000 (I REFUSE to use their name for it), BMW's R1150GS and the Triumph Tiger. There is a smattering of Caponords, but that's about all that's available here. Get thyself to Europe and that genre of bikes provides at least 50% of the rides. Perfectly made for tight, narrow twisty roads that reward low-end torque over straight-line HP. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 17:51:22 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" , Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:50:10 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" > > Transalp (? I think that's it), a dual sport. > > And the Africa Twin, Yamaha's TDM, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. > > The only surviving "Adventure Tourers" ... > > Get thyself to Europe and that genre of bikes provides at least 50% of the > rides. Perfectly made for tight, narrow twisty roads that reward low-end > torque over straight-line HP. > I don't know what the OEMs are thinking. Lord knows we don't have any roads like that around here. :-] Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 6 19:36:34 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:36:30 -0400 > > Perfectly made for tight, narrow twisty roads that reward low-end > > torque over straight-line HP. > > > I don't know what the OEMs are thinking. Lord knows we don't have any roads > like that around here. :-] > > Paul in DC Ah yes, D.C. - Also great for pothole bouncing and taxicab bingo. A good DP bike is probably of more use in a city than on a fire road Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 03:04:09 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 03:04:04 -0400 From: Jeff Conlin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: radar, SV X-AvMilter-Key: 1054969746:42712cb12716dcdcad3a5bcd7e5a1a01 X-Avmilter: Message Skipped, too small X-Processed-By: MilterMonkey Version 0.9 -- http://www.membrain.com/miltermonkey > nope... probable cause... [when you] hit your brakes just after they > paint you with radar once or twice furnishes that. Well, duh. First rule of radar club is there is no radar club. Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes after being painted. Another 4 hours at the MVA today... SV has plates. Real ones. From Maryland, even! -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeffconlin.com Clear license and all (thang ged for expunge) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 07:37:06 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: radar, SV Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:36:58 -0400 > > nope... probable cause... [when you] hit your brakes just after they > > paint you with radar once or twice furnishes that. > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes after > being painted. Thank you, Jeff, my point exactly. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 07:48:18 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:48:24 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" > > > Perfectly made for tight, narrow twisty roads that reward low-end > > > torque over straight-line HP. > > > > > I don't know what the OEMs are thinking. Lord knows we don't have any > roads > > like that around here. :-] > > > > Paul in DC > > Ah yes, D.C. - Also great for pothole bouncing and taxicab bingo. A good DP > bike is probably of more use in a city than on a fire road > > Michael J. > Of course, 100% of the "fun" roads anywhere are suitable for the dual sports/adventure tourers you describe. My original message was dripping with sarcasm. Mebbe the OEMs think Murcans jus' like to lope along at 70 on their cruisers in a straight line, or at 120 on crotch rockets. :) What I don't get is that Honda will import a myriad of bikes (mid-size standards, adventure tourers, etc.) to a tiny market like New Zealand, (pop. 4 million) where what would be considered a very popular bike sells very few units in absolute terms from a manufacturer's world-wide perspective. By comparison even lukewarm sales in the USA of a particular model represent hundreds or perhaps thousands of units, just given the scale of the USA market. This is something I've never understood about motorcycle marketing in the States. Why the OEMs routinely blow off the USA market with models they routinely sell in Japan, Europe and Australia/New Zealand. Honda especially. We won't even get into why Honda only sells one color of VFR at a time in the States. ;-) Paul in DC, friggin raining again From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 08:03:11 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 08:02:02 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Paul Wilson CC: Michael Jordan , DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. Paul Wilson wrote: > Of course, 100% of the "fun" roads anywhere are suitable for the dual > sports/adventure tourers you describe. > > My original message was dripping with sarcasm. Mebbe the OEMs think Murcans > jus' > like to lope along at 70 on their cruisers in a straight line, or at 120 on > crotch rockets. :) > > What I don't get is that Honda will import a myriad of bikes (mid-size > standards, adventure tourers, etc.) to a tiny market like New Zealand, (pop. > 4 million) where what would be considered a very popular bike sells very few > units in absolute terms from a manufacturer's world-wide perspective. By > comparison even lukewarm sales in the USA of a particular model represent > hundreds or perhaps thousands of units, just given the scale of the USA > market. This is something I've never understood about motorcycle marketing > in the States. Why the OEMs routinely blow off the USA market with models > they routinely sell in Japan, Europe and Australia/New Zealand. Honda > especially. We won't even get into why Honda only sells one color of VFR at > a time in the States. > ;-) > > Paul in DC, friggin raining again My thoughts also. I like mid-size standard bikes, utilitarian, fun, and of course -- cheap! My `81 GS550E got 58 MPG even while hauling tail. Other than fiddling with that *&^$% chain and changing oil and tires it was maintenance free. Had an Enduro also, now called a dual-sport. Dang, that scoot was blast! Milady loved riding it, only bike she ever got on as a bike-pilot. But the market rules, screaming sportbikes and Harley-clone cruisers sell to the masses, which reminds me of my Pappy's saying, "The masses are asses!" :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 08:43:06 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 05:42:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX if an insurance company paid on a loss, then that company owns the bike. no auction. :( -- chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > Since most of the owners of those bikes have probably > been paid off by their respective insurance companies, > I wonder if there will eventually be an auction by the > county to sell the bikes and parts? Hmm... track > bikes... > > Chris > > --- Steve Miller wrote: > > FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the > > Maryland area. > > From: "scratch3386" > > Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! > > > > I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last > > night that Edge > > Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other > > day. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 08:53:56 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 05:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: Michael Lynch , "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX drug-related seizure: not an insurable loss illegal trespass-related seizure (never heard of this one): not an insurable loss theft (chop shop scenario): insurable loss and the property should be returned to its owner (which depending upon the case might be an insurance co.) --- Michael Lynch wrote: > In my experience, when you go to state run police > auctions, if the police > have confiscated vehicles or property for whatever reason > (drugs, chop shop, > illegal trespass), the state feels free to auction those > vehicles off. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 10:21:17 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:20:56 EDT Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2003 7:48:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dchondarider@XXXXXX writes: > Why the OEMs routinely blow off the USA market with models > they routinely sell in Japan, Europe and Australia/New Zealand. 1988 +- one year. PC800 (pacific coast), GB500 (clubman style), TLR200 (street trials) Transalp 600 (terrific dual sport _very_ highway competent), NT650 (sport V twin), Helix (terrific 250cc touring scooter), VTR250 (sport 250). (likely more, my memory sucks.) All failed to sell to a public that at the time only wanted plastic coated sport bikes. (Customer looking at a GT650 "eww you can see the engine" True story, I wanted to slap the dumb f*#@. Some models were kept around for a while in the hope that they would take off, most died within a year or two. One year Honda gave away a pack of playing cards much like the "most wanted" given out in Iraq. Each card had a different bike for a total of _52_ models available _that_ year. The manufacturers try and try and try to introduce the American market to new ideas and are consistently rebuffed. You have to remember that every model sold has to have a factory support for years afterwards, parts, mechanic training, and the absurd federal bureaucracy that requires all kinds of bull#&it in order to sell a bike here. The manufacturers have to re-tool assembly lines in order to make bikes that fit laws in each country they sell in, at great expense. _Every_ bike comes with liability, recalls, accidents caused by riders that do not understand the limits and capabilities of a "different" style of bike (god help them if it is truly new.) I have worked in sales and got thoroughly sick of people rejecting bikes that, by their own description of need, fit them perfectly because they were "different." Remove the cattle gene from the American rider and the manufacturers will be able to sell the dozens of great bike that are available elsewhere. Oh, and as for middle weight bikes. I constantly heard how CBR600s were "too small" for beginners. I hated sales because I had to be nice to these morons. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 10:33:03 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 10:32:02 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 6/7/2003 7:48:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > dchondarider@XXXXXX writes: > > > Why the OEMs routinely blow off the USA market with models > > they routinely sell in Japan, Europe and Australia/New Zealand. > > 1988 +- one year. > PC800 (pacific coast), GB500 (clubman style), TLR200 (street trials) Transalp > 600 (terrific dual sport _very_ highway competent), NT650 (sport V twin), > Helix (terrific 250cc touring scooter), VTR250 (sport 250). (likely more, my > memory sucks.) > > All failed to sell to a public that at the time only wanted plastic coated > sport bikes. (Customer looking at a GT650 "eww you can see the engine" True > story, I wanted to slap the dumb f*#@. Some models were kept around for a while in > the hope that they would take off, most died within a year or two. > One year Honda gave away a pack of playing cards much like the "most wanted" > given out in Iraq. Each card had a different bike for a total of _52_ models > available _that_ year. The manufacturers try and try and try to introduce the > American market to new ideas and are consistently rebuffed. You have to > remember that every model sold has to have a factory support for years afterwards, > parts, mechanic training, and the absurd federal bureaucracy that requires all > kinds of bull#&it in order to sell a bike here. The manufacturers have to > re-tool assembly lines in order to make bikes that fit laws in each country they > sell in, at great expense. _Every_ bike comes with liability, recalls, accidents > caused by riders that do not understand the limits and capabilities of a > "different" style of bike (god help them if it is truly new.) > I have worked in sales and got thoroughly sick of people rejecting bikes > that, by their own description of need, fit them perfectly because they were > "different." > Remove the cattle gene from the American rider and the manufacturers will be > able to sell the dozens of great bike that are available elsewhere. > Oh, and as for middle weight bikes. I constantly heard how CBR600s were "too > small" for beginners. I hated sales because I had to be nice to these morons. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer Heh heh. Chatting with a sportbiker the other day ... he decided to change his oil & filter and was griping because he counted 16 fasteners he had to undo to remove enough plastic to find the dang oil filter. You think the japs ever heard of Dzus fasteners? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 10:41:04 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:40:49 EDT Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2003 10:33:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > he decided to change his oil & > filter and was griping because he counted 16 fasteners he had to undo to > remove enough > plastic to find the dang oil filter. PC800, 8 body panels to remove the battery. (easy access to charge) Helix, changing the _REAR_ brake cable. Instructions start with "remove _front_ fender" and you must do it. I for one dislike servicing Kawasakis because there is so much plumbing in the way of the valve covers. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 11:26:37 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:38:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: TN Bill allowing red light running http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 11:46:24 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:45:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running I call that "jumping" the light. To me running a red is blasting thru it. Seems TN does have a prob with their sensors. I rarely find one in No VA that doesn't respond to my Harley, but down in TN the F****rs never click over. The light I hit coming off I-75 onto Somebody Dead an' Famous Hiwy would stay red until I run outta gas or a car slides in behinds me. I've jumped that sucker at least a dozen times, after exercising due caution - looking fer cops. Reckon the cop check is no longer a prob! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 11:51:30 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:50:31 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No More Nighthawk 750s. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > PC800, 8 body panels to remove the battery. (easy access to charge) > Helix, changing the _REAR_ brake cable. Instructions start with "remove > _front_ fender" and you must do it. > > I for one dislike servicing Kawasakis because there is so much plumbing in > the way of the valve covers. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer Um, yeah, Kawis sucketh. I managed to get the carbs off an eliminator 600 fer cleaning but no fugging way could I get the airbox booties hooked back up. The bike was part of my friends estate, shoulda sold it non-running at auction. I finnaly dumped it on a college kid with motivation for $900. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 11:57:40 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Tom Gimer '" , "''Wayne Edelen' '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:57:35 -0400 Ahh haa... Then what is NY State doing with these things in an auction in a couple of weeks? NY State certainly has no business having just a CBR motor, and the rest of that collection of parts, other than from a chop shop. FYI, *OD DISCREPANCY* means odometer http://www.ogs.state.ny.us/surpluspublic/auction/Contents.asp?vSaleNo=AU2003 06181 Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F From: Tom Gimer-------------- drug-related seizure: not an insurable loss illegal trespass-related seizure (never heard of this one): not an insurable loss theft (chop shop scenario): insurable loss and the property should be returned to its owner (which depending upon the case might be an insurance co.) --- Michael Lynch wrote: > In my experience, when you go to state run police > auctions, if the police > have confiscated vehicles or property for whatever reason > (drugs, chop shop, > illegal trespass), the state feels free to auction those > vehicles off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 11:59:35 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400 > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html >From the text of the article: "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive periods of time at stop lights because sensors that control the lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of aluminum and fiberglass, not metal." And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a metal. I must have been confusing it with aluminium, eh?. Live and learn. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 12:01:21 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'William J. Huson '" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: No More Nighthawk 750s. Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:01:26 -0400 Honda has. Got 'em on the VFR. Although, they've screwed it up by mixing other fasteners in there as well, so the 1 panel that comes off for an oil change requires 3 tools. :-/ Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson Heh heh. Chatting with a sportbiker the other day ... he decided to change his oil & filter and was griping because he counted 16 fasteners he had to undo to remove enough plastic to find the dang oil filter. You think the japs ever heard of Dzus fasteners? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 12:02:59 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Michael Jordan '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: radar, SV Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:03:05 -0400 That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan > > nope... probable cause... [when you] hit your brakes just after they > > paint you with radar once or twice furnishes that. > > Second, intelligent radar club members never slam on their brakes after > being painted. Thank you, Jeff, my point exactly. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 12:07:02 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Lynch" , "'Tom Gimer '" , "''Wayne Edelen' '" , Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:07:07 -0400 If the serial numbers, etc., are obliterated and altered there's no way to track the rightful owner. If the serial number is copied from a wrecked bike after the perps got a frame from a junkyard or off a parts bike, the ownership trail grows cold. Or the rightful owner couldn't be found due to incorrect or outdated address with the DMV and the property is considered abandoned. Ditto with parts that are impossible to trace. This stuff ends up in property auctions. PS - do you have your engine serial numbers written down somewhere? I don't. Does your insurance company have this information? Doubt it. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lynch" > Ahh haa... Then what is NY State doing with these things in an auction in > a couple of weeks? NY State certainly has no business having just a CBR > motor, and the rest of that collection of parts, other than from a chop > shop. > > FYI, *OD DISCREPANCY* means odometer > > http://www.ogs.state.ny.us/surpluspublic/auction/Contents.asp?vSaleNo=AU2003 > 06181 > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > From: Tom Gimer-------------- > > drug-related seizure: not an insurable loss > illegal trespass-related seizure (never heard of this one): > not an insurable loss > theft (chop shop scenario): insurable loss and the property > should be returned to its owner (which depending upon the > case might be an insurance co.) > > > --- Michael Lynch wrote: > > In my experience, when you go to state run police > > auctions, if the police > > have confiscated vehicles or property for whatever reason > > (drugs, chop shop, > > illegal trespass), the state feels free to auction those > > vehicles off. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 12:08:22 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: Michael Lynch , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" try identifying and tracking down the owner of a cbr motor or a lincoln towncar hood! as to why this stuff is being sold by ny, i haven't the foggiest as to how that property came into the possession of the state, or its policy on when something is considered to be "abandoned" or "unclaimed." are you actually saying that if you saw your gixxer on the news the other night, the state would be permitted to keep it and sell it? come on. --- Michael Lynch wrote: > Ahh haa... Then what is NY State doing with these > things in an auction in > a couple of weeks? NY State certainly has no business > having just a CBR > motor, and the rest of that collection of parts, other > than from a chop > shop. > > FYI, *OD DISCREPANCY* means odometer > > http://www.ogs.state.ny.us/surpluspublic/auction/Contents.asp?vSaleNo=AU2003 > 06181 > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > From: Tom Gimer-------------- > > drug-related seizure: not an insurable loss > illegal trespass-related seizure (never heard of this > one): > not an insurable loss > theft (chop shop scenario): insurable loss and the > property > should be returned to its owner (which depending upon the > case might be an insurance co.) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 14:01:20 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:00:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running Michael Jordan wrote: > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html > > >From the text of the article: > > "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive periods of > time at stop lights because sensors that control the lights did not > recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of aluminum and fiberglass, > not metal." > > And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a metal. I > must have been confusing it with aluminium, eh?. Live and learn. > > Michael J. AL tis metal, but many sensors rely on an magnetic flux, which leaves out AL, CU, PB (lead), and a probably a few others I've forgotton. Some grades of stainless steel aren't very magnetic friendly either. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 14:12:23 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:11:21 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Paul Wilson CC: Michael Lynch , "'Tom Gimer '" , "''Wayne Edelen' '" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! Paul Wilson wrote: > If the serial numbers, etc., are obliterated and altered there's no way to > track the rightful owner. If the serial number is copied from a wrecked > bike after the perps got a frame from a junkyard or off a parts bike, the > ownership trail grows cold. Or the rightful owner couldn't be found due to > incorrect or outdated address with the DMV and the property is considered > abandoned. Ditto with parts that are impossible to trace. This stuff ends > up in property auctions. > > PS - do you have your engine serial numbers written down somewhere? I > don't. Does your insurance company have this information? Doubt it. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org Not to mention an insurance company has no use for a collection of parts and would most likely ignore them. I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but auto engine numbers are bogus. Mopar E numbers are the size and date the engine was built, so all 318 V-8s built on a particular day will have the same number. There's several so-called secret VIN numbers on a car. Only secret from the average owner, the strippers know where they are. And parts that can be easily unbolted, like hoods, doors, front clips, etc, aren't marked. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 14:19:33 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Michael Jordan cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Radar, MD SV saga On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Michael Jordan wrote: > >fits in the tank bag (obviously sans LIDAR) for VA. > >They need a warrant to search, > > Nope - just Probable Cause. > > Your hitting your brakes just after they paint you with radar once or > twice furnishes that. Even if they do need the warrent the LEO will have no problem holding the bike in the impound lot till they find the judge. -j From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 14:33:53 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Idaho State Trooper Helps Stop Runaway Train Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:33:53 -0400 He should have jumped *from* the bike, but it's hard to tell from the account. :-) Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F http://www2.kbcitv.com/x5154.xml?ParentPageID=x5157&ContentID=x42766&Layout= KBCI.xsl&AdGroupID=x5154 June 5, 2003 Idaho State Trooper Helps Stop Runaway Train By Associated Press BOISE - An Idaho State Police motorcycle cop chased a runaway train and jumped aboard to bring it to a halt Thursday afternoon near Boise. No one was hurt in the noon-hour incident. But numerous officers had to hurry from intersection to intersection in the Treasure Valley's western suburbs to block traffic. Police say the locomotive was first reported loose and rolling downhill at about 40 miles an hour in west Boise. As the 400-thousand pound engine rolled out of town, Corporal Duane Prescott raced his motorcycle to a railroad crossing in Nampa and waited for it. The train slowed as it approached Prescott and a railroad employee. But it was still going about 20 miles an hour. The first time, Prescott missed the jump. But he hopped back on his bike and gave chase. He raced passed the engine, then slowed down, threw his bike down and jumped again. This time he made it. An train engineer talking to him on the police radio helped Prescott bring it to a stop. Investigators are looking at how the train broke loose. The only damage was to Prescott's motorcycle, which was scuffed slightly when he jumped aboard the engine. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 15:01:43 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:01:30 EDT Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2003 11:46:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > The light I hit coming off I-75 onto Somebody Dead > an' Famous Hiwy would stay red until I run outta gas or a car slides in > behinds me. Not to mention when they do not _stop_ behind you. I _hate_ being the only vehicle at a red light at night, I know the guy coming up behind me in the cage is looking at the light, not me and will floor it if it turns green. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 15:05:41 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:12:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but > auto engine numbers are bogus They are real. but often different then frame (title) numbers. write it down, keep it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 16:27:40 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:26:37 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:12:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but > > auto engine numbers are bogus > > They are real. but often different then frame (title) numbers. write it down, > keep it. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Hmm... I have manuals for both my bikes, reckon they should tell me where to find the engine number. One Harley, one Norton, the search may involve the removal of encrusted oil :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 22:10:05 2003 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: "William J. Huson" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but > > > auto engine numbers are bogus Generally the engine number matches the frame number unless the bike has had its motor switched out at some point. Some makes and models don't follow this rule though; some bikes get put together with no match in the actual numbers. If the numbers are supposed to match, the bike is worth more when they do match, and sometimes the difference in value can be significant. > One Harley, one Norton, the > search may involve the removal of > encrusted oil :-) Bill, not sure about the Harley but on the Norton you will probably find the number plate on the right side of the motor near where the top end meets the lower end. Location depends on the model/year but I would look there first. It is not usually on a seperate plate per se but rather the case is molded flat right there and the numbers should be stamped in. It will also probably have "Norton" etched or stamped in. Harley and some other manufacturers will re-stamp your engine case if you are fanatic about your numbers matching and you need to drop a new motor in there. cheers, Patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 7 23:48:24 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:47:14 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: patti rodgers CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! patti rodgers wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but > > > > auto engine numbers are bogus > > Generally the engine number matches the frame number > unless the bike has had its motor switched out at some > point. Some makes and models don't follow this rule > though; some bikes get put together with no match in > the actual numbers. If the numbers are supposed to > match, the bike is worth more when they do match, and > sometimes the difference in value can be significant. > > > One Harley, one Norton, the > > search may involve the removal of > > encrusted oil :-) > > Bill, not sure about the Harley but on the Norton you > will probably find the number plate on the right side > of the motor near where the top end meets the lower > end. Location depends on the model/year but I would > look there first. It is not usually on a seperate > plate per se but rather the case is molded flat right > there and the numbers should be stamped in. It will > also probably have "Norton" etched or stamped in. > > Harley and some other manufacturers will re-stamp your > engine case if you are fanatic about your numbers > matching and you need to drop a new motor in there. > > cheers, > > Patti Yes, I'm sure Harley would agree to a match on an engien switch. After a wreck my frame had to be replaced. The old frame was rendered totally unusable and the new one had the original VIN stamped on it. I'll have to check the Norton. I'd be amazed if a 1966 bike still had an engine/frame # match. I think this one was created from a collection of spares. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 00:03:05 2003 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:57:15 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: patti rodgers CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! patti rodgers wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know about cycle "engine" numbers, but > > > > auto engine numbers are bogus > > Generally the engine number matches the frame number > unless the bike has had its motor switched out at some > point. Some makes and models don't follow this rule > though; some bikes get put together with no match in > the actual numbers. If the numbers are supposed to > match, the bike is worth more when they do match, and > sometimes the difference in value can be significant. I should add that if cars used the same engine/VIN # match system I would have spent a good portion of my life at the DMV getting all the numbers squared away. Until 1990, practically every cage I had, and the ones my kids and surrogate kids drove, had engine swapouts and an occasional tranny swapouts. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 12:03:43 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Michael Jordan" , Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:03:35 -0500 I think it's a metal in the UK but it's not here in the US :) Thats why they pronounce it differently. Rob On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html > > >From the text of the article: > > "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive > periods of time at stop lights because sensors that control the > lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of > aluminum and fiberglass, not metal." > > And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a > metal. I must have been confusing it with aluminium, eh?. Live and learn. > > Michael J. -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 12:15:47 2003 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:17:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Stolen GSXR $2000 reward To: Daniel Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" In case you haven't seen this yet... ========================================== FYI for those who've had bikes stolen in the Maryland area. ---------- From: "scratch3386" Reply-To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:39:35 -0000 To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Edge Motorsports Busted!! I was pretty surprised to see on the 10:00 news last night that Edge Motorsports in Elkridge, MD was busted the other day. Edge specialized in race-ready crotchrockets, Suzuki's in particular IIRC. According to the news report (which I'll post a link to as soon as I can find it) the police noticed activity there late at night, decided to check it out, found the owner and/or employees working on bikes, ran the tags on one of the bikes in the shop, and it came back 'stolen'. Further investigation turned up several stolen bikes, frames with the VIN's ground off, parts galore. If you or someone you know has lost a bike in the last couple months (particularly a 'Zuk crotchrocket), ya might wanna check with the Howard Co. police department to see if it wound up there.... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SV650_BALT_DC-unsubscribe@XXXXXX Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 12:21:52 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:21:45 -0400 > I think it's a metal in the UK but it's not here in the US :) > Thats why they pronounce it differently. > > Rob That was my suspicion (they spell it differently, too) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 14:06:12 2003 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 14:07:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: radar, SV At 12:03 PM 6/7/03 -0400, Michael Lynch wrote: > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. Well, less nose dive, maybe, but not none. Bob Meyer "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 15:29:58 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:29:47 EDT Subject: Re: Edge Motorsports Busted!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2003 10:10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: > Generally the engine number matches the frame number Not on Jap bikes they dont. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 15:51:03 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike night Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:39:06 -0400 Not my gig (I wouldn't do it on Father's Day), just spreading the word: June 15 5-8pm Janet's Java 703-960-2900 5735 Telegraph Rd, Alexandria, VA 2 live bands _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 15:53:19 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tuesday nights Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:42:05 -0400 Not my gig, spreading the word: Coleman's is advertising Bike Nights on Tuesdays at Grevey's. They'll have Speed Visions Two Wheel Tuesdays on the TVs. Grevey's is in Merifeild, VA intersection of 50 & Gallows. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 16:10:40 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: radar, SV Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:10:29 -0400 > At 12:03 PM 6/7/03 -0400, Michael Lynch wrote: > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > Well, less nose dive, maybe, but not none. Unless you're riding a BMW with the Telelever front suspension - no dive at all - strange... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 17:25:31 2003 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:24:26 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: radar, SV Michael Jordan wrote: > > At 12:03 PM 6/7/03 -0400, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > > > Well, less nose dive, maybe, but not none. > > Unless you're riding a BMW with the Telelever front suspension - no dive at > all - strange... > > Michael J. No dive, just surging that will shake your eyeballs loose :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 17:50:13 2003 From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Re: radar, SV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:47:41 -0400 Heh. The BMW surge seems to have become the stuff of legend, not unlike that of an H-D shaking itself to pieces :-) Mine "hunts" or surges just a little if I hold a constant 3500 rpms, but I'm rarely below 4,000 for long. Many people have been able to eliminate it completely with a careful TB sync and/or re-chip ping the FI. The new 2-spark motor out for this year may have actually fixed the problem for good though. On the PelicanParts R1100S Board no one has complained of surging with new engine...yet. --Jim --03 R1100S On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:24:26 -0400 "William J. Huson" wrote: > Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > At 12:03 PM 6/7/03 -0400, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > > That's what the rear brake is for - no nose dive. > > > > > > Well, less nose dive, maybe, but not none. > > > > Unless you're riding a BMW with the Telelever front suspension - no dive > at > > all - strange... > > > > Michael J. > > No dive, just surging that will shake your eyeballs loose :-) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 8 20:03:06 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: radar, SV Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:03:00 -0400 > No dive, just surging that will shake your eyeballs loose :-) I put about 3,500KM on an R1150GS last June and didn't notice any problems. Then again, with the roads that I was on, steady state throttle was a state that just didn't happen. Going to rent another one for two weeks in a couple of days - will pay more attention this time. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 08:35:21 2003 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: bike night Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:35:17 -0400 Bike Day: June 15th, Budds Creek MX park (an hour southeast of the metro area in Maryland) 125 and 250cc Nationals www.buddscreek.com --jon -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike night Not my gig (I wouldn't do it on Father's Day), just spreading the word: June 15 5-8pm Janet's Java 703-960-2900 5735 Telegraph Rd, Alexandria, VA 2 live bands _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 09:18:00 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:17:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Tank Bags To: DC Cycles Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for tank bags? My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go wandering a bit easier without the process of having to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, either. I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in the next year or so. Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part with? Thanks, Brian Ray '80 kz440 ltd __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:05:03 2003 From: "Herb Manell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: Herb@XXXXXX Subject: Bike for sale: 2002 750 Honda Shadow Spirit X-IPAddress: 192.91.147.35 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 07:04:56 -0700 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host48.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32427 32427] / [32427 32427] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host48.ipowerweb.com Hi all, A friend's friend has the following bike up for sale: 2002 750 Honda Shadow Spirit -Asking $6000 or best offer (photo available) -Yellow, 4200 miles, 3 year warranty, garage kept -corbin Seat (+ original), removable windshield, -3 helmets, saddlebags, tankbag, bike cover -disc lock, throttle rocker, factory maintenanced Brett (301)675-7829 i_bking@XXXXXX Any interest, contact him directly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:08:53 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Brian Ray" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Tank Bags Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:10:55 -0400 I've been very pleased with the RKA bag (23 liter-three-point version) I got used. It's nice and stable and has a big detachable map pocket. www.rka-luggage.com Things I look for in a bag are stability at speed, non-scratching, water-resistance, ease of use, finish and durability. RKA wins in all categories. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ray" > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > tank bags? > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > either. > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > the next year or so. > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > with? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray > '80 kz440 ltd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:20:46 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:18:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tank Bags >My main interest is the map pocket Best map pocket that I've found is Wolfman Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:26:42 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tank Bags Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:26:35 -0400 I just bought a TourMaster Magnetic Tank bag. It's well made, compact (12 liter capacity) and has a zipper which can be unzipped to raise the front of the bag for a bit more capacity. It includes a safety strap, although the magnets grip very well, and a rain cover. I got it for $68 from www.casporttouring.com. Eclipse also makes some decent, reasonably priced tank bags, although I'm not terribly familiar with their current models. If the map pocket is really what you want, however, I have seen magnetic map holders. Like the top of a tank bag, without the bag. The one I saw attached to the tank with magnets. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I saw it, and a quick check of my favorite internet vendors didn't show it. HTH, Bob > > From: Brian Ray > Date: 2003/06/09 Mon AM 09:17:21 EDT > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Tank Bags > > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > tank bags? > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > either. > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > the next year or so. > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > with? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray > '80 kz440 ltd > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:44:47 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:44:35 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, bdaleray@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tank Bags Hmmmm......I couldn't find a magnetic map pocket when I was looking for one a year or so ago so, I made myself one. :-) Bought a map pocket that was supposed to velcro on, a couple heavy duty magnets from the Home Depot, stitched them into the pocket and viola, magnetic map pocket. Works great. Scooter In a message dated 6/9/2003 9:26:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rmeyer9@XXXXXX writes: > > > I just bought a TourMaster Magnetic Tank bag. It's well made, compact (12 liter capacity) and has a zipper which can be unzipped to raise the front of the bag for a bit more capacity. It includes a safety strap, although the magnets grip very well, and a rain cover. I got it for $68 from www.casporttouring.com. > > Eclipse also makes some decent, reasonably priced tank bags, although I'm not terribly familiar with their current models. > > If the map pocket is really what you want, however, I have seen magnetic map holders. Like the top of a tank bag, without the bag. The one I saw attached to the tank with magnets. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I saw it, and a quick check of my favorite internet vendors didn't show it. > > HTH, > > Bob > > > > From: Brian Ray > > Date: 2003/06/09 Mon AM 09:17:21 EDT > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Tank Bags > > > > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > > tank bags? > > > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > > either. > > > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > > the next year or so. > > > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > > with? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brian Ray > > '80 kz440 ltd > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > > > > Bob Meyer > '92 Standard > STOC # 1157 > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be > a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:52:07 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Tank Bags To: DC Cycles On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:10:55 -0400 > From: Paul Wilson > To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Tank Bags > > I've been very pleased with the RKA bag (23 liter-three-point version) I got > used. It's nice and stable and has a big detachable map pocket. I too have an RKA and have been fairly pleased with it. Its one of the lower height ones, which unzips and expands if needed. It's magnetic, and I've never had any problem with it staying put. Used it over the weekend with a non-metalic tank by hooking a bungie through the shoulder strap rings and it worked well. The low height is nice -- it doesn't block the instruments or interfere with the handle bars, and is easy to get out of the way for fillups. My biggest gripe is that the map pocket seems just a tad small to fit 2 sections of a "normal" map, so I end up having to fold maps in odd places. The odd folds destroy maps faster. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:52:25 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:51:53 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: rob@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running All joking aside, for those that don't know it, magnets are not attracted to aluminum (or aluminium for the UK folks :-)). Most systems to trip the lights are magnetic loops under the pavement that look for a certain amount of (magnetically attractive) metal before they will trip. :-) Scooter In a message dated 6/8/2003 11:03:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > I think it's a metal in the UK but it's not here in the US :) > Thats why they pronounce it differently. > > Rob > > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote > > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html > > > > >From the text of the article: > > > > "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive > > periods of time at stop lights because sensors that control the > > lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of > > aluminum and fiberglass, not metal." > > > > And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a > > metal. I must have been confusing it with aluminium, eh?. > Live and learn. > > > > Michael J. > > > > -- > Rob Sharp > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 10:54:01 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:53:50 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, bdaleray@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tank Bags P.S. I also have an RKA tank and rear seat bag. I also have a set of Wolfman saddle bags. I would recommend them both. They went cross country with me and I had no problems with them. Scooter In a message dated 6/9/2003 9:44:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > > > Hmmmm......I couldn't find a magnetic map pocket when I was looking for one a year or so ago so, I made myself one. :-) Bought a map pocket that was supposed to velcro on, a couple heavy duty magnets from the Home Depot, stitched them into the pocket and viola, magnetic map pocket. Works great. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 6/9/2003 9:26:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rmeyer9@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > I just bought a TourMaster Magnetic Tank bag. It's well made, compact (12 liter capacity) and has a zipper which can be unzipped to raise the front of the bag for a bit more capacity. It includes a safety strap, although the magnets grip very well, and a rain cover. I got it for $68 from www.casporttouring.com. > > > > Eclipse also makes some decent, reasonably priced tank bags, although I'm not terribly familiar with their current models. > > > > If the map pocket is really what you want, however, I have seen magnetic map holders. Like the top of a tank bag, without the bag. The one I saw attached to the tank with magnets. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I saw it, and a quick check of my favorite internet vendors didn't show it. > > > > HTH, > > > > Bob > > > > > > From: Brian Ray > > > Date: 2003/06/09 Mon AM 09:17:21 EDT > > > To: DC Cycles > > > Subject: Tank Bags > > > > > > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > > > tank bags? > > > > > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > > > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > > > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > > > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > > > either. > > > > > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > > > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > > > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > > > the next year or so. > > > > > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > > > with? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Brian Ray > > > '80 kz440 ltd > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > Bob Meyer > > '92 Standard > > STOC # 1157 > > > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to > be > > a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 11:11:49 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > All joking aside, for those that don't know it, magnets are not attracted >to aluminum (or aluminium for the UK folks :-)). Most systems to trip the >lights are magnetic loops under the pavement that look for a certain amount >of (magnetically attractive) metal before they will trip. scientific mode> :-) Actually, they're tuned loops -- inductors, which are affected in different degrees by proximaty to just about anything -- More so if it is ferrous (contains iron) somewhat less if it isn't ferrous but does conduct electricity, like aluminum, much less so if it's an insulator, like fiberglass. The sensors should trip when the loops are "detuned" by having something drive over them. The sensors may not be set correctly though, and may not trip if there isn't enough stuff in close enough proximaty. What I wish for, but, I'm sure will never happen, is for there to be some indication of whether or not you've tripped the light and that it will change at some point in the near future. I really hate having to wait a cycle or two to find out I'm not in the right spot to trip the light. > Scooter > > In a message dated 6/8/2003 11:03:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > I think it's a metal in the UK but it's not here in the US :) > > Thats why they pronounce it differently. > > > > Rob > > > > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote > > > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html > > > > > > >From the text of the article: > > > > > > "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive > > > periods of time at stop lights because sensors that control the > > > lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of > > > aluminum and fiberglass, not metal." > > > > > > And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a > > > metal. I must have been confusing it with aluminium, eh?. > > Live and learn. > > > > > > Michael J. > > > > > > > > -- > > Rob Sharp > > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > > Network Security Engineer > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 11:17:50 2003 Subject: Ride Report From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 09 Jun 2003 11:01:54 -0400 For the past year (on this bike) I've been riding in at 5am since someone has to be here at 6am and I don't mind. This morning starts my first week of the afternoon shift. Be here at about 9:30 and leave at 6pm. I've been sort of dreading it due to traffic and lack of parking. I set my alarm to wake us up at 6am, sleeping in 2 hours. I snagged Rita and we were out of the house by 6:15 and on our way to the gym. Very foggy on the way over. By 7:15 we were done with our work outs and headed back home. The sun started peeking out but I could see the fog in the distance. We took a shower and I started my "normal" morning routine; getting my badge and pager, pen, wallet and keys, newspaper and, this morning my Essential SNMP O'Reilly book. I had breakfast and by 8:25 I was on the road. A stop at 7/11 for my Diet-Cokes (3 liters) and a stop for gas (a blue Kaw pulled in next to me). A 3 minute wait at the light (my goggles were fogging up; I sense a summer problem with these things :-) and I'm on my way. Head down Dale Blvd, traffic isn't too bad. It's a _very_ nice morning. As I pass over 95 I glance down and traffic is virtually non-existant. Where is everyone? I pull on to HOV and there aren't any cars (or bikes) for miles in either direction. I can see way up ahead a car and far behind me the lights of an oncoming car. The morning is truely awesome. Someone on a BMW comes up behind me and hangs out for a couple of minutes in the tail position. By Springfield he passes. There's a slight build up in traffic as we pass Duke Street, still it's a nice ride and we're still all at speed. I noted that most of the cars and trucks are single passenger. At The Pentagon, I pass the BMW. At the 14th St bridge, traffic slows down to a little stop and go. An easy cut from the left to the right lanes, three waits at the D(?) St light and a right turn on Independance. Cruise down to 3rd St and make a right. Another right on Virginia Ave and head down to the lot. And there is only one other bike there. The ride just made my day. I could do this every day. We'll see what 6pm brings and the next couple of days. BTW, I have updated http://www.schelin.org/chopper with new pictures of the frame and a transcript of the dialog between me and Casey Tallon over the late delivery of the frame. There have been many comments about the poor job he did including some reports of frames breaking. One note that was brought up to me was the lack of a "gusset" behind the head of the frame. In addition, the method of welding seems to make the addition of a gusset by someone in the area difficult. Does anyone know of a place reasonably close where I can get the welds checked for stability? I spoke to someone Friday but he could only visually check it. Later, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 12:34:46 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:35:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: You can out run a Chevy/Ford, but not Motorola... ....or Yamaha, for that matter. http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29184 -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 12:42:19 2003 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:41:57 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running Ya learn something new everyday. ;-) And I agree, and indicator would be nice but, it'll never happen. :-( Scooter In a message dated 6/9/2003 10:11:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > All joking aside, for those that don't know it, magnets are not attracted > >to aluminum (or aluminium for the UK folks :-)). Most systems to trip the > >lights are magnetic loops under the pavement that look for a certain amount > >of (magnetically attractive) metal before they will trip. >scientific mode> :-) > > Actually, they're tuned loops -- inductors, which are affected in different > degrees by proximaty to just about anything -- More so if it is ferrous > (contains iron) somewhat less if it isn't ferrous but does conduct > electricity, like aluminum, much less so if it's an insulator, like > fiberglass. The sensors should trip when the loops are "detuned" by having > something drive over them. The sensors may not be set correctly though, > and may not trip if there isn't enough stuff in close enough proximaty. > > What I wish for, but, I'm sure will never happen, is for there to be some > indication of whether or not you've tripped the light and that it will > change at some point in the near future. I really hate having to wait > a cycle or two to find out I'm not in the right spot to trip the light. > > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated 6/8/2003 11:03:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's a metal in the UK but it's not here in the US :) > > > Thats why they pronounce it differently. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:59:32 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote > > > > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html > > > > > > > > >From the text of the article: > > > > > > > > "Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive > > > > periods of time at stop lights because sensors that control the > > > > lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of > > > > aluminum and fiberglass, not metal." > > > > > > > > And for all of these years, I had been assuning that aluminum was a > > > > metal. I must have been confusing it with aluminium, > eh?. > > > Live and learn. > > > > > > > > Michael J. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rob Sharp > > > CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > > > Network Security Engineer > > > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 12:55:10 2003 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: TN Bill allowing red light running To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you ever find that you're not tripping the sensor, make sure you park both tires on top of one of the sensor cuts. They're easy to spot and I've never had one fail to operate when I stop right on top of a cut. I suspect it would be even more failsafe to stop with your engine over a right-angled part of the cut. Chris Weaver --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Ya learn something new everyday. ;-) And I agree, > and indicator would be nice but, it'll never happen. > :-( __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 9 13:37:41 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tank Bags Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:37:46 -0500 I just got a Tourmaster Magnetic Tank bag from AZmotorsports.com for 71 bux. I haven't had a chance to put it on the hawk yet, but looks like a decent bag. Here is the link. http://store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/nylmagtaanba.html I have always had good luck with AZmotorsports. They have a bunch of choices including the custom fitted Ventura luggage. Regards, Rob On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:17:21 -0700 (PDT), Brian Ray wrote > Any advice on what to look for, or specific makers for > tank bags? > > My main interest is the map pocket, so I can go > wandering a bit easier without the process of having > to pull over, take off my gloves, pull out the map, > etc... A bit of storage wouldn't be a bad thing, > either. > > I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a fitted > bag, since I have all of $600 or so in the bike as it > is, and I'll probably be trading to another bike in > the next year or so. > > Anyone have a decent used one they're willing to part > with? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray > '80 kz440 ltd > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engi