From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 1 15:50:38 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:50:18 EDT Subject: Crow munching anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Interesting... Saw a report on WBAL TV Ch. 11 today. Seems like when you pay at the pump they can put a block on your ATM or credit card of $50.00 or so and that amount could remain blocked for several days. Gee that could cause problems for a bike with a small tank and many fill ups out on a trip. Someone should have warned us... Oh yea, I did about a year ago, and I got a plateful of steaming shit from some folks for my effort. Crow anyone? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 1 16:26:47 2002 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Crow munching anyone? Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 16:25:49 -0400 John crowed (no pun intended :-) ) Interesting... Saw a report on WBAL TV Ch. 11 today. Seems like when you pay at the pump they can put a block on your ATM or credit card of $50.00 or so and that amount could remain blocked for several days. [Dave] Sounds familiar... Gee that could cause problems for a bike with a small tank and many fill ups out on a trip. Someone should have warned us... [Dave] Didn't someone warn us last year ??? Oh yea, I did about a year ago, and I got a plateful of steaming shit from some folks for my effort. [Dave] So YOU'RE the culprit that started that thread ;-) Crow anyone? [Dave] I don't recall disagreeing with you [scrambling to check the archives...] but if I did, I've got a couple dead crows in front of the house ;-) If you come over, we'll grill them, have a beverage & some crow ! Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 2 15:47:29 2002 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Thanks To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX A big thanks to Laura and Sean for the party. I had a great time. See all of you tonight. Steve 01' YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 2 21:35:50 2002 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:37:01 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: s_burrow@XXXXXX (Steven Burrow), lgranato@XXXXXX (LAURA GRANATO), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks I'll second that Thanks. The party was great. The company was great. The food was great. You get the feeling that everything was great. ;-) Also want to thank Matt Patton for the ride from Huntington Metro to Cycle Sport to pick up my bike. And for leading me through some back roads to Laura and Sean's house. Sorry if I slowed you down. I tend to ride a little slower on roads I don't know. Still slightly "lean-impaired." ;-) Scooter In a message dated Sun, 2 Jun 2002 M- 3:49:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steven Burrow writes: >A big thanks to Laura and Sean for the party. I had a >great time. See all of you tonight. >Steve >01' YZF600R > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 2 21:40:37 2002 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Bike Night Pictures To: DC Cycles , Moto Crew , delphine vessellier Thanks to all who came to Bike Night tonight (just ended). We had great turnout but crappy parking (very sorry). Here are some pictures Mark http://www.pbase.com/mkitchell/bike_night_june_2002 ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 2 22:42:34 2002 From: "Laura Granato" To: "Steven Burrow" , Subject: Re: Thanks Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:55:27 -0400 > A big thanks to Laura and Sean for the party. I had a > great time. See all of you tonight. > Steve > 01' YZF600R > No problem at all. I had a total blast! Although cleaning up in the morning wasn't much fun! :) The people at the party made it all worth it! :) We'll have to do it again soon! LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 2 22:44:04 2002 From: "Laura Granato" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" , "Moto Crew" , "delphine vessellier" Subject: Re: Bike Night Pictures Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:57:06 -0400 > Thanks to all who came to Bike Night tonight (just > ended). We had great turnout but crappy parking (very > sorry). Thanks to Chuck and Mark for having the bike night. It was beautiful weather and a great night! :) LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 07:10:06 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 07:12:13 -0700 To: lgranato@XXXXXX (LAURA GRANATO), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Thanks A huge THANKS to Laura and Sean. I had a great time and it was nice to finally meet some of you guys!! Lori At 09:37 PM 6/2/02 -0400, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: >I'll second that Thanks. The party was great. The company was >great. The food was great. You get the feeling that everything was >great. ;-) > >Also want to thank Matt Patton for the ride from Huntington Metro to Cycle >Sport to pick up my bike. And for leading me through some back roads to >Laura and Sean's house. Sorry if I slowed you down. I tend to ride a >little slower on roads I don't know. Still slightly "lean-impaired." ;-) > >Scooter > >In a message dated Sun, 2 Jun 2002 3:49:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >Steven Burrow writes: > > >A big thanks to Laura and Sean for the party. I had a > >great time. See all of you tonight. > >Steve > >01' YZF600R > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 09:41:28 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: a few congrats are in order Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 06:41:19 -0700 (PDT) I just wanted to say congrats to Kitchell on his engagement! Congrats to Troutman on his marriage (he should be returning any day now from his honeymoon)... And Stephen is getting married next Saturday if I remember correctly... dang...they're dropping like flies around here. :) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 09:42:12 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:42:29 -0400 Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I don't consider to be a police car. Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 09:54:35 2002 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:54:25 -0400 I do the same route and I am interested in the same infortmation. From the uniforms and jackets I have seen either on the drivers or hung over the back or the seat, I know that Secret Service, DC police officers, Park police officers, VA state police, City of Falls Church police, Fairfax County police and Loudoun County sheriffs use I-66. I am curious as to which ones would pull me over. Biggest wakeup call I ever had was cruising side by side at 75 mph from the West Falls Church metro to the East Falls Church metro and being curious about the color of the shirt of the driver when I started reading the script on his shoulder and it said F-A-I-R-F-A-X C-O-U-N-T-Y P-O-L-Oh S**T! I guess he thought all motorcycle front ends dived like that :) I distinctly remember the color of the pens in his shirt pocket, I was so close. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?" -----Original Message----- From: RichH@XXXXXX [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:42 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: authority Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I don't consider to be a police car. Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:03:20 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:58:23 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: authority Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I don't consider to be a police car. [Dave] can you be more descriptive ? Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? [Dave] In the commonwealth, pretty much any sworn leo can pull you over for a serious enough traffic infraction. Departments establish 'cooperative agreements' that allow them to patrol areas that are by statute, ceded to the authority of other agencies. There's a little more to it, but be vigilant... AND, it's been proven that LEO misdeeds are tolerated at any level in the Commonwealth, up to and including murder - as evidenced by VA not indicting(PG cop) Carlton Jones on several firearms violations, assualt & murder. If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? [Dave] What do you mean by 'worried' ? in MD, it's permissible to proceed to a station at the limit, if you know where one is. Try that in PG, and they'll likely run you down ;-0 but seriously, MSP does allow you to do this with unmarked cars. I don't know about VA. I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. [Dave] I for one, am proud to be HOV Negative. If you're referring to the vehicles in HOV lanes, the law in VA is "HOV for Thee, but not for me" - which can be literally translated to almost any government vehicle may use the HOV lanes, on duty or off, but the commoners may not. WE are the commoners. Uniform or not, I typically ignore dubious unmarked vehicles - like the ones from DC. I am not advocating anyone else do this, but it's been my experience that the feds & MPD are typically nit wits as drivers, and I try to give them a wide berth... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:34:52 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 06:30:27 -0400 From: Tom de To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority Hi, I see the same thing on the 95 HOVs. From what I can figure, most of the time the vechical is probably a detective, Firechief/investigator, different County Undercover. Often the plates are DC, and I think there is a Fairfax County Cop who commutes from Fredericksburg. No matter the vechical type (unless it has DC tags), I wait for someone else to pass. If that person isn't pulled over I proceed at about the same speed as the previous car. I believe just about any of the persons driving those vechicals can pull you over, but you'd probably need to really piss 'em off. A car with DC tags was tailgating me one day (while I was in my truck) and I got it to a "battle of wills" with 'em. I let him pass then got his a$$, after a few miles, he let me by only to show me his lights. Just let someone else be the gunie pig, then proceed calmly. BTW, this "test" can backfire. The first time the FX Cop was on the HOV in his marked car nobody passed him - from Stafford to Fairfax! Tom de '98 VTR RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I >don't consider to be a police car. >Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? >If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? >I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything >and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. > -- Tom De Boeser tom.deboeser@XXXXXX Senior Systems Engineer Dimension Data US www.didata.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:37:52 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think my last message never got sent. Thanks for the good wishes everyone! I am really quite happy and now delphine wants her own bike too! I just have to convince her that a VFR is not a starter bike. Mark --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I just wanted to say congrats to Kitchell on his > engagement! > > Congrats to Troutman on his marriage (he should be > returning any day now from his honeymoon)... > > And Stephen is getting married next Saturday if I > remember correctly... > > dang...they're dropping like flies around here. :) > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:45:09 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:45:29 -0400 American sedans with out dealer stickers typically with multiple little antennas with lights in the rear behind the rear seat. In the front they are usually under the passenger sun visor. Occasionally on the dash or in the grill. Today's car was a crown vic, pretty cardinal license plate, with leather interior, no separation from front & back seat, no shotgun in the middle, the driver (HOV violator) had a tie on. -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I don't consider to be a police car. [Dave] can you be more descriptive ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:44:58 2002 From: "Jeannette Zell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:43:47 -0400 CONGRATULATIONS!!!! :-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Mark Kitchell >To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) > >I think my last message never got sent. > >Thanks for the good wishes everyone! I am really >quite happy and now delphine wants her own bike too! >I just have to convince her that a VFR is not a >starter bike. > >Mark > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:49:11 2002 From: Michael Lynch To: "'HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: GPS Question... Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:58:07 -0400 I've got one, and I like it. The preloaded map for the whole country is pretty good on its own, then with the (free) software, you can upload sections of your favorite map areas. It has a 2 level backlight that on 2 is perfect for seeing at night on the bike and matches perfectly with the green of the VFR dash. Screens are customizable to put in your own fields, you can put in a million way points with notes for each (phone # of house, hotel, etc.), has cool fields like ETA that will calculate your heading and speed to a waypoint and display the time (it's fun watching your time get pushed back when your road curves), bla, bla, bla. I'd buy another one. Mike '96 VFR =From: "Howard J. Koontz" =To: =Subject: GPS Question... =Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:30:11 -0400 = =Anyone have a Magellan (sp?) Map 330 GPS? How do you like it? Anyone else =know anything about it? I have a hiker friend who wants to sell me his, I =was wondering how well it would do for M/C riding as a co-pilot. Is it more =of an off-road kinda GPS that'll get you over the mountain and back, or an =on the road kinda thing that'll hopefully show me a twisty section to get =over the mountain... screw coming back. = =Howard J. Koontz =2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard =1982 Honda ATC 185S Pit Vehicle =1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For Sale) ="We're all here 'cause we're not all there" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:51:28 2002 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: Cc: Subject: Re: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:54:27 -0400 >From: > Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I > don't consider to be a police car. The bastards................. > Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? Your not legally obligated to pull over (and stop) for ANY vehicle unless it is using red or blue lights. Many times a off-duty officer will pull up beside you and show his badge..............at that point you are REQUIRED to pull over and stop. BUT............if you don't "see" him show his badge (meaning: your eyes are kept straight forward and DO NOT look in his/her direction) then you didn't "see" the badge ..........right ??? Under these circumstances you can drive along without stopping. I have done this on several occasions and have driven several miles without ever looking at the officer. Eventually the tire of your "game" and leave. I no longer automatically look over to see who is riding along side of me...........be it in a 4 wheeler or 2. I make it as awkward as possible (w/o doing obvious stupid stuff) for the officer to get my attention. > If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? Plain clothes cops with lights are just like uniformed officers..............no diff. > I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything > and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. They can do what they please.................when they please. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:06:33 2002 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: , Subject: Re: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:10:22 -0400 >From: > I do the same route and I am interested in the same infortmation. From the > uniforms and jackets I have seen either on the drivers or hung over the back > or the seat, I know that Secret Service, DC police officers, Park police > officers, VA state police, City of Falls Church police, Fairfax County > police and Loudoun County sheriffs use I-66. I am curious as to which ones > would pull me over. > Cedric Secret Service...They don't give a damn and don't deal with motor vehicle laws DC police officers...........only in D.C. Park police officers............have jurisdiction EVERYWHERE. VA state police............Va. everywhere City of Falls Church police.........Falls Church only Fairfax County police..........Fairfax County only Loudoun County sheriffs ........Loudon County only MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:14:43 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:14:14 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: authority At 11:10 AM 6/3/2002 -0400, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > >From: > > I do the same route and I am interested in the same infortmation. From >the > > uniforms and jackets I have seen either on the drivers or hung over the >back > > or the seat, I know that Secret Service, DC police officers, Park police > > officers, VA state police, City of Falls Church police, Fairfax County > > police and Loudoun County sheriffs use I-66. I am curious as to which >ones > > would pull me over. > > Cedric > >Secret Service...They don't give a damn and don't deal with motor vehicle >laws > >DC police officers...........only in D.C. > >Park police officers............have jurisdiction EVERYWHERE. > >VA state police............Va. everywhere > >City of Falls Church police.........Falls Church only > >Fairfax County police..........Fairfax County only > >Loudoun County sheriffs ........Loudon County only > >MC you forgot: Herndon Town Police - between oh...the overpass and just yonder pass the other overpass 'round the corner including the bowling alley and Jimmys Tavern and a little past the leaning tree near Billy Bobs house...exceptin' ifn it's rainin' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:15:07 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:20:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: RichH@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I > don't consider to be a police car. > Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? > If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? > I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything > and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. The problem - a lot of drivers take notice of unmarked vehicles and *Screeee* brakes go, causing all sorts of traffic problems. I especially like the smoking tires, burning brake lights when a flashing blue light appears in the horizon - a LEO with a car pulled over. Exxxxcuuussee me, you blithering idiots, said LEO is busy writing a summons, no need to wreck your vehicle in a panic attempt to downslide to legal speed. It has been my experiance - YMMV - that cruising with the flow of traffic no matter what the actual speed (usually well over posted on super slabs) will not gain the attention of the law officer in the vicinity. Too many bobing and weaving Ricky Racers out there to bang with a summons to bother harrassing drivers who are essentialy operating their vehicles in a safe and sane manner. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:18:52 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:15:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: authority Once while inbound on 66 inside the Beltway, I was pulled over by the FAA Police! No kidding. No citation. Leave it to me to experience something unique. :-) /// Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:20:23 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: authority To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Secret Service...They don't give a damn and don't > deal with motor vehicle > laws > Oh how wrong you are. Perhaps driving in on Rt 66 they do not, but if you are in DC watch out. The Sercret Service uniform cops patrol constantly in areas around embassys, consulates and near any bigwig they protect (cabinet secretaries, etc). They will pull you over in DC if you deserve it. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:22:52 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:17:58 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: authority HOV VIOLATORS ARE: American sedans with out dealer stickers typically with multiple little antennas with lights in the rear behind the rear seat. In the front they are usually under the passenger sun visor. Occasionally on the dash or in the grill. [Dave] Sounds like a typical fleet vehicle from a local (meaning DC Metro) LE agency. That means that they *could* be police, but, those vehicles get 'loaned out' to dispatchers, secretaries running errands, possibly magistrates... Today's car was a crown vic, pretty cardinal license plate, with leather interior, no separation from front & back seat, no shotgun in the middle, the driver (HOV violator) had a tie on. [Dave] could be a PO of higher rank, etc... You can report them, but it won't do any good - unless they're misbehaving and you have witnesses. The way to cure this is to write your legislators, and when they brush you off - which they will - vote them out for someone who will abolish the silly HOV lanes. Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:33:56 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Moyer" Subject: '00 Triumph Daytona 955i for sale To: DC Cycles Hello All: I have a local friend (non-list member) in Leesburg that's recently decided to sell his dream bike. It's a beatiful bike for certain, but he is set on selling it to alieviate some recent financial pressures. The bike has only 2500 miles on it and is in mint condition; this, because the guy has been regularly working way too much for a now defunct dot-com. Who has time to ride when you're working every weekend? I believe he'd like 8K for it but this may also be a OBO opportunity as well. Please let me know off-list (as I'm a digest member and won't get your mail until later) if anyone's interested and I'll put you in touch with the seller. Thanks, Moyer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:39:55 2002 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: Subject: Re: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:46:01 -0400 >Mike Cecchini wrote: > Secret Service...They don't give a damn and don't > deal with motor vehicle laws ******************************************** > Oh how wrong you are. Perhaps driving in on Rt 66 > they do not, but if you are in DC watch out. The > Sercret Service uniform cops patrol constantly in > areas around embassys, consulates and near any bigwig > they protect (cabinet secretaries, etc). They will > pull you over in DC if you deserve it. ********************************************** Having worked with (not for) the USS Secret Service for 27 years at the VP residence on Mass. Ave. D.C. I can attest to: 1. Motor vehicle laws are a not what they deal with. 2. They couldn't care less if you do something minor against any motor vehicle laws. 3. Will arrest you if you do something REALLY stupid like drunk driving or hit & run. 4. Will call a D.C. (or whatever jurisdiction) to write you the motor vehicle citation. Bottom line: The U.S. S.S. job is to protect dignitaries..........with their bodies/lives and have slightly higher priorities than to write you a citation for 60mph in a 50mph zone. Me ??? I feel waaaaaaay better in D.C. than I do in Md. or Va.. DC cops have their priorities in order and have to worry about homicides, robberies and REAL offences.............not the chickenshit stuff we have to deal with in the 'burbs. MC MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:41:23 2002 From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV lanes Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:52:52 -0400 |>The way to cure this is to write your legislators, and when they |>brush you off - which they will - vote them out for someone who will |>abolish the silly HOV lanes. Why are HOV lanes silly? I kind of like them. They seem to flow traffic when the regular lanes get backed up.. if they werent' HOV lanes, then all the lanes would be backed up.. same congestion, just wider. Plus as a motorcclists, i get to see the benifit of it. It also seems to act as a passing lane too... and then gets clear again for the peopel who need to pass a slow poke. So from my perspective it's pretty good, since we lack the enforcement of slower traffic kept left type of rules.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:43:03 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: authority To: "Michael R. Cecchini" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Having many friends who have received tickets from the SS, including a DUI, I would not ignore them. Sure, they may call an MPD officer, but whats the difference to you, you still get a ticket. --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > >Mike Cecchini wrote: > > Secret Service...They don't give a damn and don't > > deal with motor vehicle laws > ******************************************** > > Oh how wrong you are. Perhaps driving in on Rt 66 > > they do not, but if you are in DC watch out. The > > Sercret Service uniform cops patrol constantly in > > areas around embassys, consulates and near any > bigwig > > they protect (cabinet secretaries, etc). They > will > > pull you over in DC if you deserve it. > ********************************************** > Having worked with (not for) the USS Secret Service > for 27 years at the VP > residence on Mass. Ave. D.C. > I can attest to: > 1. Motor vehicle laws are a not what they deal with. > 2. They couldn't care less if you do something minor > against any motor > vehicle laws. > 3. Will arrest you if you do something REALLY > stupid like drunk driving or > hit & run. > 4. Will call a D.C. (or whatever jurisdiction) to > write you the motor > vehicle citation. > > Bottom line: The U.S. S.S. job is to protect > dignitaries..........with > their bodies/lives and have slightly higher > priorities than to write you a > citation for 60mph in a 50mph zone. > > Me ??? I feel waaaaaaay better in D.C. than I do in > Md. or Va.. DC cops > have their priorities in order and have to worry > about homicides, robberies > and REAL offences.............not the chickenshit > stuff we have to deal with > in the 'burbs. > > MC > > > MC > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:50:33 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: HOV lanes To: Danny MotorPsychoL , sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I suspect that the "freedom means the right to own a 4 ton SUV crowd" are against any government effort to limit your driving privlidges (sp?). Yet we keep building more roads only to fill them up in a few years. HOV is one attempt to force people to carpool. Maybe not perfect but needed IMHO. That and a nice fat gas tax could clear the roads a bit.... --- Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > |>The way to cure this is to write your legislators, > and when they > |>brush you off - which they will - vote them out > for someone who will > |>abolish the silly HOV lanes. > > Why are HOV lanes silly? I kind of like them. They > seem to flow > traffic when the regular lanes get backed up.. if > they werent' HOV > lanes, then all the lanes would be backed up.. same > congestion, just > wider. Plus as a motorcclists, i get to see the > benifit of it. > > It also seems to act as a passing lane too... and > then gets clear > again for the peopel who need to pass a slow poke. > So from my > perspective it's pretty good, since we lack the > enforcement of > slower traffic kept left type of rules.. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:23:20 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:18:28 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Hov lanes Why are HOV lanes silly? I kind of like them. They seem to flow traffic when the regular lanes get backed up.. if they werent' HOV lanes, then all the lanes would be backed up.. [Dave] But they would be all backed up for less time & distance, which would be a boon to a greater majority of people. same congestion, just wider. [Dave] That's not what cities that have abandon HOV lanes have found. IIRC, there was a city that dumped HOV restrictions a year, maybe 18 months ago & and they noticed a decrease in 'rush hour', and less congestion all around for the road in question... Plus as a motorcclists, i get to see the benifit of it. [Dave] That's true, but as a demographic, we're not particularly big (motorcyclists). I suspect that the "freedom means the right to own a 4 ton SUV crowd" are against any government effort to limit your driving privlidges (sp?). Yet we keep building more roads only to fill them up in a few years. [Dave] I must have missed all these new roads ;-) HOV is one attempt to force people to carpool. Maybe not perfect but needed IMHO. That and a nice fat gas tax could clear the roads a bit.... [Dave] I'm sure that's tops on everyone's list ... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:24:11 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: authority To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , Mark Kitchell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > Me ??? I feel waaaaaaay better in D.C. than I do in > Md. or Va.. DC cops > have their priorities in order and have to worry > about homicides, robberies > and REAL offences.............not the chickenshit > stuff we have to deal with > in the 'burbs. > > MC Maybe that is because here in the 'burbs. The PD solves the murder/robbery/rape and puts said offender in jail and then has time for other things. Your choice, get an occasional ticket for chickenshit stuff, or worry about your personal safety due to the high crime rate. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:36:54 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: authority To: "William J. Huson" , RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > It has been my experiance - YMMV - that cruising > with the flow of traffic no > matter what the actual speed (usually well over > posted on super slabs) will not > gain the attention of the law officer in the > vicinity. Too many bobing and > weaving Ricky Racers out there to bang with a > summons to bother harrassing > drivers who are essentialy operating their vehicles > in a safe and sane manner. > > Bill > Bingo. Just don't stand out in the crowd. The other thing about the plethora of police vehicles around here, is that many have vitually no jurisdiction. The psuedo popo can do something on their 2.5 square miles, but that is it. The rule of thumb is that if the car has POLICE in big letters and you cannot tell what jurisdiction it is, then it is a psuedo cop. The postal police, DOD police, campus police, etc. Look at those cars, you have to read the fine print to learn the jurisdiction. Of course in the District, some of these organizations have wider ranging jurisdiction. I believe the Housing Authority has jurisdiction throughout the District now. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:38:06 2002 From: "Simon Weiss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:36:56 -0400
Thanks Sue for a good deal on the HJC - have fun in Cali.
 
Anyone know of any sales/closeouts/good deals on jackets at the local shops in the area?
   
On my way to Dover, DE to look at a Bandit 400 yesterday (the guy didn't check his bike until it was time to meet...flat battery!), after seeing a guy on a YZF 600 pay the same $2.50 to go through the toll that I paid in my 1.5 ton Subaru, I realized how ludicrous it is that Motorcycles aren't given a break.  There's no way bikes cause the same wear and tear on the roads that cars do, so why doesn't the legislature give us a break? - we may have two "axles", but we don't guzzle gas or warp pavement like autos.  Perhaps we should take a triop over to capitol hill.  Do you think motocyclists are a large enough constituency to lobby for more reasonable treatement?  Is there a motorcycle lobby group, already? 
 
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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:46:12 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:41:20 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: authority Todd W contributes - Maybe that is because here in the 'burbs. The PD solves the murder/robbery/rape and puts said offender in jail and then has time for other things. Your choice, get an occasional ticket for chickenshit stuff, or worry about your personal safety due to the high crime rate. [Dave] Were I to actually *have* that choice, and were there a guarantee of one or the other, I'd make that bargain - personal safety instead of getting chickenshit tickets. Trouble is, courts have repeatedly held that police aren't responsible for my personal safety - or anyone's - AND we continue to have the problem of 'chickenshit' tickets. What are the typical responses to the question 'Hey? what happened to protect & serve?' 1 - a chickenshit ticket 2 - more officers on the scene 3 - more chickenshit tickets when the other officers 'find' something else from the 'insubordinate' motorist. I applaud the members of all PD's that put murder, robbery, rapist & child molestors in the big house. Most people I know could do with a lot less 'chickenshit' tickets though. Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:49:26 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: HOV lanes To: Mark Kitchell , Danny MotorPsychoL , sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I suspect that the "freedom means the right to own a > 4 > ton SUV crowd" are against any government effort to > limit your driving privlidges (sp?). Yet we keep > building more roads only to fill them up in a few > years. HOV is one attempt to force people to > carpool. > Maybe not perfect but needed IMHO. > > That and a nice fat gas tax could clear the roads a > bit.... It is part of the American psyche that we desire freedom. That is why our ancestors left the old country, whatever country that may be. We want the freedom to leave work early, arrive late, drive out for a long lunch, run errands in the middle of the day or on the way home. We want the freedom to leave when our son or daughter gets hurt at school. The freedom to work late without missing a carpool. Freedom of movement and travel is a fundamental part of our heritage. From the first day the Pilgrims landed, they have wanted to move out farther. I was stationed in Hawaii for 3 years. Many young men stationed there with me hated it. Here we were in paradise, and they hated it. Because they could not hop in a car and drive home. In the States, it did not matter where you were stationed and where you lived. In the back of your mind you knew that if you had to, you could hop in your car and go home. I think the HOV lanes are a waste of space. I like the idea of the reversible express lanes like on I-395, but they should be open to everyone. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:53:42 2002 From: "Simon Weiss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hov lanes Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:52:32 -0400



> HOV is one attempt to force people to carpool. Maybe not perfect but

>needed IMHO. That and a nice fat gas tax could clear the roads a

>bit....

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>[Dave] I'm sure that's tops on everyone's list ...

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>Dave

Sometimes the path of least resistance isn't the best path to take.  Rather than ditch all the incentives for carpooling, and resource conservation, how about taking these incentives a step further so that they actually make sense.  Half-assed legislature aimed at long term benefits (rather than just to improve tomorrows commute time) never works becuase if it doesn't directly benefit people to follow the intentions of a new regulation, it never produces the intended results.  I think it's ludicrous every time I see rows and rows of one headed cars sitting in traffic, all going the same general direction.  I beleive we need a stiffer gas tax, and even more restrictive HOV lanes (separated by barriers like they do in Boston, or multiple lanes).  Oh, and a much more usefull, cheaper public transportation system might help, too.  But, with our system, it'll take a small revolution before our representatives pass any bills that MIGHT bottleneck the oil industry's c sh flow.



 

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>Why are HOV lanes silly? I kind of like them. They seem to flow
>traffic when the regular lanes get backed up.. if they werent' HOV
>lanes, then all the lanes would be backed up..
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>[Dave] But they would be all backed up for less time & distance,
>which would be a boon to a greater majority of people.
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> same congestion, just wider.
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>[Dave] That's not what cities that have abandon HOV lanes have
>found. IIRC, there was a city that dumped HOV restrictions a year,
>maybe 18 months ago & and they noticed a decrease in 'rush hour', and
>less congestion all around for the road in question...
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> Plus as a motorcclists, i get to see the benifit of it.
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>[Dave] That's true, but as a demographic, we're not particularly big
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>I suspect that the "freedom means the right to own a 4 ton SUV crowd"
>are against any government effort to limit your driving privlidges
>(sp?). Yet we keep building more roads only to fill them up in a few
>years.
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>[Dave] I must have missed all these new roads ;-)
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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:09:42 2002 From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: YZF600 vs. CBR600 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:09:31 -0400 To pull this thread a little further, anyone have any thoughts on the YZF vs. the ZX-600E? TIA, John Stevens '77 GS750 Waldorf, MD > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > >Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:58:07 -0700 (PDT) >From: Steven Burrow >Subject: Re: YZF600R vs CBR600F4 >To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >I have an '01 YZF. I haven't been on the F4, but I >find the YZF comfortable. It still has enough power >for me and I have taken a lot of trips that last over >four hours on it without real discomfort. >Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:10:24 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:05:33 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Hov lanes Simon sez [in html format :-| ] - >>needed IMHO. That and a nice fat gas tax could clear the roads a >Sometimes the path of least resistance isn't the best path to take. Rather than ditch all the incentives for carpooling, and resource conservation, how about taking these incentives a step further so that they actually make sense. ... I think it's ludicrous every time I see rows and rows of one headed cars sitting in traffic, all going the same general direction. [Dave] Why? I beleive we need a stiffer gas tax, and even more restrictive HOV lanes [Dave] OTOH, I believe I pay enough to the state & federal governments, so I support cutting the gas tax by 75% and instituting a voluntary 'pay as you go' tax on gas & general fund. 'Round up to the next $ to pay for I95 improvements y/n ?' etc... Plus, people who feel that we need more tax revenue could feel free to contribute to the volunteer fund. OR, if they're homeowners, instead of taking all those deductions, they could simply file the short form ! It's their moral responsibility as good citizens to back up their positions with leadership ! (separated by barriers like they do in Boston, or multiple lanes). [Dave] Yeah, when I think Boston, certainly it conjures up images of a paragon of traffic efficiency... NOT. Their traffic is every bit a Charlie Foxtrot as ours is. In fact, HOV lanes seem to be a common thread among all the top 10 worst traffic cities (metro areas) ... makes you wonder... Oh, and a much more usefull, cheaper public transportation system might help, too. [Dave] Amen. Nobody wants to ante up for the bus & tube. If it takes somebody off the road that wants to use public transportation, bravo. Less cages I have to deal with. Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:15:01 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: YZF600 vs. ZX-600E Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:15:14 -0400 I saw a review of this around Christmas time in one of the magazines. I believe they preferred the YZF. -----Original Message----- From: Stevens John R DLVA [mailto:StevensJR@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:10 PM To: DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: YZF600 vs. CBR600 To pull this thread a little further, anyone have any thoughts on the YZF vs. the ZX-600E? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:18:13 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tolls Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:18:21 -0400 American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) www.amadirectlink.com They have removed some tolls for motorcyclist around the country. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Weiss [mailto:simon_weiss69@XXXXXX] On my way to Dover, DE to look at a Bandit 400 yesterday (the guy didn't check his bike until it was time to meet...flat battery!), after seeing a guy on a YZF 600 pay the same $2.50 to go through the toll that I paid in my 1.5 ton Subaru, I realized how ludicrous it is that Motorcycles aren't given a break. There's no way bikes cause the same wear and tear on the roads that cars do, so why doesn't the legislature give us a break? - we may have two "axles", but we don't guzzle gas or warp pavement like autos. Perhaps we should take a triop over to capitol hill. Do you think motocyclists are a large enough constituency to lobby for more reasonable treatement? Is there a motorcycle lobby group, already? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:21:06 2002 From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Ride for Kids Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:20:56 -0400 I recall several weeks ago, someone on the list was trying to dig up information on giving motorcycle rides to sick kids. I apologize if this is old news, but FWIW, I thought I'd go ahead and forward something I came across: >From a Honda advertisement: "For more info on the Ride for Kids Program, contact the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the United States at (800) 253-6530, or on the web at www.pbtfus.org." All that does is link you to www.Ride4kids.org, so this probably IS old news... in which case, sorry for wasting space... Anyway, HTH. John Stevens '77 GS750 Waldorf, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:24:56 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:24:14 -0400 As a DC resident, I just have to laugh. DC- where we let machines write the chicken$hit ticket$, freeing up the humans to do "real" police work like running motorcades and doing crowd control while many neighborhoods are devoid of police presence. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > >Mike Cecchini wrote: >> > Me ??? I feel waaaaaaay better in D.C. than I do in Md. or Va.. DC cops > have their priorities in order and have to worry about homicides, robberies > and REAL offences.............not the chickenshit stuff we have to deal with > in the 'burbs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:24:54 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , Cc: Subject: Re: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:11:20 -0400 People must think they get extra credit for passing a LEO at 10 under the limit. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" I especially like the > smoking tires, burning brake lights when a flashing blue light appears in the > horizon - a LEO with a car pulled over. Exxxxcuuussee me, you blithering > idiots, said LEO is busy writing a summons, no need to wreck your vehicle in a > panic attempt to downslide to legal speed. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:28:42 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: YZF600 vs. ZX6E To: Stevens John R DLVA , "DC Cycles Mailing List \(E-mail\)" while it ain't as sporty as the r6/cbr600/gsxr600/zx6r, it is a better sportbike than the zx6e and yam fit and finish is also better. --- Stevens John R DLVA wrote: > To pull this thread a little further, anyone have any > thoughts on the YZF > vs. the ZX-600E? > > TIA, > John Stevens > '77 GS750 > Waldorf, MD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:48:48 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:48:40 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm surprised the CATA talking head hasn't weighed in with a Libertarian/Market based solution as yet. so I will, sorta. At first blush one would think any vehicle that can't make say 22mpg needs to pay a stiff gas-guzzler tax. They do that in Japan and over in some countries of the EU for instance. In Japan it used to be owning a 3.0L engined car was a sign of wealth or you were a foreigner in the company car. That's why the Jap's are so good at milking what they do out of sub 3-liter engines. The best (first do no harm) policy really is taxes on gas. It's completely fair to all involved since you the consumer can make the choice as to how much you drive, whether or not you car pool, and what kind of MPG you care to sustain. Frankly I think we ought to triple our gas taxes and send the SUV owners scurrying which will light the fire under the collective asses of the US auto industry as a nice side-effect. MC's and small cars are popular in the EU etc. because gas is so damn expensive. In Japan the cost per liter of fuel is easily 4x what we 'mericans pay. Now I realize that due to the vast expanses of territory this nation covers, trucking is a HUGE part of our commerce system and killing it with fuel costs is not a viable solution. One could consider waiving the hike on diesel for commercial trucking operations. IMO the big bump in revenues can be properly used to improve roads for better traffic flow (some roads around here are designed by masochists to HINDER traffic flow), extend HOV options (say 2 per vehicle instead of 3) and much better parking at end-points, and encourage rail and bus systems. The problem with a metro system like ours is that despite the tortuous pain involved in sitting in countless traffic jams hour after countless hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT to car pool or use the bus/rail, or otherwise inconvenience themselves. I think the State's ought to take full advantage of this inelastic demand curve and charge the snot out of those who engage in such behavior. I for one kiss the perverbial HOV sign because my commute (Springfield to Rosslyn) under even the worst conditions is 25 minutes whereas it could easily be 90 or more via 395. I've looked at bus/train but the best time expenditure is 45 minutes per trip and that's only if I get the Metro express bus direct into the Pentagon. Going FFax bus and then Metro takes at least 65 minutes and often a bit longer. What's even more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day than it does to pay monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in gas and tires. > thread among all the top 10 worst traffic cities (metro areas) ... > makes you wonder... I'd like to see a study showing causation. I think you'll find it's the other way around. There is merit to the argument that 5 lanes of traffic moves more traffic than 3. But the issue isn't how many lanes there are or it's gross flow. It's exit flow that, especially in DC's case, absolutely is the worst. Unless you fix the concentration of traffic issue as well as the log-jam's at off-ramps a 16 lane wide 395 will be 16 lanes of dead-stopped traffic jams. No thank you. Also I think if you look at the cities with the worst traffic you'll see that there is a higher than normal concentration of self-important people, suitably well-off people, an old thruput unfriendly city design, and a critical mass that simply overwhelms all reasonable solutions. NY, SFO, Chicago and Boston simply have way too many people trying to get in and then get out. This despite efforts, some notable, to improve flow and encourage the ease of use to things like the train and bus system. Japan, eg Tokyo is a city every much as dense as NYC and 2hr commutes are common-place. but it's done almost exclusively via train. Trains move a ton of people per linear foot, are a whole lot cheaper per capita, have no traffic jams to speak of and can (and do) run precisely on schedule. Japanese also don't worship at the alter of the automobile, don't slavishly seek independance and autonomy at any cost, and also don't like paying gas taxes. The entire culture has large underpinnings of self-sacrifice for the public good whereas ours is entirely wrapped in selfish pursuits and the neighbors be damned. I've spent some time in Chicago and it amazes me that ANYBODY would drive when given the choice. That is not to say a car wouldn't be incredibly useful during the evenings and weekends. But to commute, it makes absolutely no sense. Even if you live in an out-lying area where the local metro doesn't reach, there are local feeder lines and of course you can drive to one of those depots to pick up the train at it's terminuous. I think we 'mericans have more of a mental/cultural problem than necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or physical/technical problem. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 14:29:20 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- matthew patton wrote: > IMO the big bump > in revenues can be properly used to improve roads > for better traffic > flow Do you REALLY think that politicians can leave any cash cow alone to be used for it's intended purpose. The gas taxes we pay now are not used for roads. What makes you think that if we triple it, the roads will get any better? Get a law pass that forbids congress from using any tax money for other than it's intended purpose (gas, FICA, etc.) and the world will be a better place. > hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT to > car pool or use the Yep, that's me. > What's even > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day > than it does to pay > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in > gas and tires. > Another reason my wife and I have never used mass transit to commute. > Japan, eg Tokyo is a city every much as dense as NYC > and 2hr commutes > are common-place. but it's done almost exclusively > via train. Trains > move a ton of people per linear foot, are a whole > lot cheaper per > capita, have no traffic jams to speak of and can > (and do) run precisely > on schedule. Japanese also don't worship at the > alter of the > automobile, don't slavishly seek independance and > autonomy at any cost, > and also don't like paying gas taxes. The entire > culture has large > underpinnings of self-sacrifice for the public good > whereas ours is > entirely wrapped in selfish pursuits and the > neighbors be damned. > The Japanese also accept that as they stand at the metro stop, someone will shove them into the train as hard as possible. To cram as many as possible onto your silver steed. I don't mean other commuters. I mean the attendent whose job it is to shove people into rail cars. As Americans we don't accept being pushed around. ) > I think we 'mericans have more of a mental/cultural > problem than > necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or > physical/technical problem. > I don't see it as a problem. That is what makes us American. That is what set us apart when our ancestors left their country to come here. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 14:46:49 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:41:56 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Hov lanes ...At first blush one would think any vehicle that can't make say 22mpg needs to pay a stiff gas-guzzler tax. [Dave] Why? they're already paying more gas tax than we are with our 40 mpg plus uber bikes ... They do that in Japan and over in some countries of the EU for instance. In Japan it used to be owning a 3.0L engined car was a sign of wealth or you were a foreigner in the company car. That's why the Jap's are so good at milking what they do out of sub 3-liter engines. [Dave] They also practice wealth redistribution on a more grand scale than we do... The best (first do no harm) policy really is taxes on gas. [Dave] I agree, cut that mofo by 75% ! It's completely fair to all involved [Dave] I am a Dual income no kids (DINK) family member, and this doesn't fit me - but some families do actually make use of SUV's... far fewer than those (all) that buy them, but some... .... In Japan the cost per liter of fuel is easily 4x what we 'mericans pay. [Dave] So ? That's them. This is us ;-) Now I realize that due to the vast expanses of territory this nation covers, trucking is a HUGE part of our commerce system and killing it with fuel costs is not a viable solution. One could consider waiving the hike on diesel for commercial trucking operations. IMO the big bump in revenues can be properly used to improve roads for better traffic flow [Dave] I'm certainly 100% confident that our legislators would use that money for ONLY transportations... uh huh.... The problem with a metro system like ours is that despite the tortuous pain involved in sitting in countless traffic jams hour after countless hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT to car pool or use the bus/rail, or otherwise inconvenience themselves. I think the State's ought to take full advantage of this inelastic demand curve and charge the snot out of those who engage in such behavior. [Dave] Metro stops & stations are havens for increased crime, diminished safety, often stink of urine, and you can look forward to being stuffed in a tube with dozens of complete strangers during rush hour. I for one kiss the perverbial HOV sign because my commute (Springfield to Rosslyn) under even the worst conditions is 25 minutes whereas it could easily be 90 or more via 395. I've looked at bus/train but the best time expenditure is 45 minutes per trip and that's only if I get the Metro express bus direct into the Pentagon. Going FFax bus and then Metro takes at least 65 minutes and often a bit longer. What's even more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day than it does to pay monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in gas and tires. [Dave] That's pretty much the most telling paragraph in the thread yet. > thread among all the top 10 worst traffic cities (metro areas) ... > makes you wonder... I'd like to see a study showing causation. [Dave] I just said it makes you wonder, but, there was a major city (Houston maybe ? I don't know) that dumped their HOV lanes and suffered no ill effects. Another thing to think about - how much more pollutants are being dumped in the air by making all the 'commoners' sit in a backup while HOV travellers are wizzing by ? I think you'll find it's the other way around. There is merit to the argument that 5 lanes of traffic moves more traffic than 3. But the issue isn't how many lanes there are or it's gross flow. It's exit flow that, especially in DC's case, absolutely is the worst. [Dave] What works in one city, doesn't necessarily in another... HOV lanes may work great in some places, but they definitely make more people sit in traffic around here than they 'free from traffic'. Unless you fix the concentration of traffic issue as well as the log-jam's at off-ramps a 16 lane wide 395 will be 16 lanes of dead-stopped traffic jams. No thank you. [Dave] We surely have enough cars to fill that ... pretty ominous... One thing that baffles me - our local governments keep approving apartment complexes, town house developments & high density housing, with many households that are multi-vehicle. The developers are given tax BREAKS rather than charged additional road maintenance... So, we flood the roads with more vehicles, and add nothing to the transportation infrastructure. ... I think we 'mericans have more of a mental/cultural problem than necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or physical/technical problem. [Dave] 'Tis true. A good working, cheap & reliable public transportation system would be worth paying for, even to 'private transportation or die' types like me. Even I concede that just widening the beltway etc.. won't solve our problems. I do believe however, that HOV lanes detract from any potential solution... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 14:47:38 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:53:25 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > [Dave] Were I to actually *have* that choice, and were there a > guarantee of one or the other, I'd make that bargain - personal > safety instead of getting chickenshit tickets. Trouble is, courts > have repeatedly held that police aren't responsible for my personal > safety - or anyone's - AND we continue to have the problem > of 'chickenshit' tickets. What are the typical responses to the > question 'Hey? what happened to protect & serve?' > 1 - a chickenshit ticket > 2 - more officers on the scene > 3 - more chickenshit tickets when the other officers 'find' something > else from the 'insubordinate' motorist. > > I applaud the members of all PD's that put murder, robbery, rapist & > child molestors in the big house. Most people I know could do with a > lot less 'chickenshit' tickets though. > > Dave What constitutes a 'chickenshit' ticket? I have been nabbed in speed traps but consider it 'tithing' for past unnoticed sins. A law is a law, we're supposed to know the law. If one is willing to accept the risk of ignoring the law than they should be willing to accept the consequences. Of course if one does what my cousin's wife did and challange a traffic stop with WHY AREN'T YOU OUT CATCHING REAL CRIMINALS! Than be prepared to recieve the most chickenshit laden ticket you've ever laid eyes on. Not to mention what was most likely an advisory warning not to let kids sit up on a convertable boot became a big banger reckless - 6 points and mandaory court appearance. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:17:36 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy burke Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Been lurking here for awhile never posted before, but since i know a little about this subject i thought i'd throw my two cents in. The reason houston did better is that there was a huge loss of population due to the oil bust. Lose population = fewer drivers to cause congestion. When dealing with HOV lanes it is important to remember we are not talking about vehicles being moved but people, and the two lanes on Shirley highway move alot of people (if i wasn't so lazy I'd walk accross the office and get the numbers). In the transportation planning community there is a lot of wrangling over weather HOV is effective or not. At the Transporation Research Boards last conference the HOV committes presentation seemed to be split over what the future of HOV facilities may be. the Shirley Highway corridor is probably one of the best performing Facilities in the country while i-66 outside of the beltway is among the worst. I don't think there is a black or white answer when it comes to HOV, some places it is approraite some it is not (just why is there HOV through old town alexandria, to make the commute for FFX CO. residents commute slower?) not a sermon, just a thought. andy --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > ...At first blush one would think any vehicle that > can't > make say 22mpg needs to pay a stiff gas-guzzler tax. > > [Dave] Why? they're already paying more gas tax > than we are with > our 40 mpg plus uber bikes ... > > They do that in > Japan and over in some countries of the EU for > instance. In Japan it > used to be owning a 3.0L engined car was a sign of > wealth or you were > a foreigner in the company car. That's why the Jap's > are so good at > milking what they do out of sub 3-liter engines. > > [Dave] They also practice wealth redistribution on > a more grand > scale than we do... > > > The best (first do no harm) policy really is taxes > on gas. > > [Dave] I agree, cut that mofo by 75% ! > > > It's > completely fair to all involved > > [Dave] I am a Dual income no kids (DINK) family > member, and this > doesn't fit me - but some families do actually make > use of SUV's... > far fewer than those (all) that buy them, but > some... > > .... In Japan the cost per liter of fuel is easily > 4x > what we 'mericans pay. > > [Dave] So ? That's them. This is us ;-) > > > Now I realize that due to the vast expanses of > territory this nation > covers, trucking is a HUGE part of our commerce > system and killing it > with fuel costs is not a viable solution. One could > consider waiving > the hike on diesel for commercial trucking > operations. IMO the big > bump in revenues can be properly used to improve > roads for better > traffic flow > > [Dave] I'm certainly 100% confident that our > legislators would use > that money for ONLY transportations... uh huh.... > > > The problem with a metro system like ours is that > despite the tortuous > pain involved in sitting in countless traffic jams > hour after > countless hour, day after tedious day, people don't > WANT to car pool > or use the bus/rail, or otherwise inconvenience > themselves. I think > the State's ought to take full advantage of this > inelastic demand > curve and charge the snot out of those who engage in > such behavior. > > [Dave] Metro stops & stations are havens for > increased crime, > diminished safety, often stink of urine, and you can > look forward to > being stuffed in a tube with dozens of complete > strangers during rush > hour. > > > I for one kiss the perverbial HOV sign because my > commute (Springfield > to Rosslyn) under even the worst conditions is 25 > minutes whereas it > could easily be 90 or more via 395. I've looked at > bus/train but the > best time expenditure is 45 minutes per trip and > that's only if I get > the Metro express bus direct into the Pentagon. > Going FFax bus and > then > Metro takes at least 65 minutes and often a bit > longer. What's even > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day > than it does to pay > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in > gas and tires. > > [Dave] That's pretty much the most telling > paragraph in the thread > yet. > > > > thread among all the top 10 worst traffic cities > (metro areas) ... > > makes you wonder... > > I'd like to see a study showing causation. > > [Dave] I just said it makes you wonder, but, there > was a major city > (Houston maybe ? I don't know) that dumped their > HOV lanes and > suffered no ill effects. Another thing to think > about - how much > more pollutants are being dumped in the air by > making all > the 'commoners' sit in a backup while HOV travellers > are wizzing > by ? > > > I think you'll find it's the > other way around. There is merit to the argument > that 5 lanes of > traffic moves more traffic than 3. But the issue > isn't how many lanes > there are or it's gross flow. It's exit flow that, > especially in DC's > case, absolutely is the worst. > > [Dave] What works in one city, doesn't necessarily > in another... > HOV lanes may work great in some places, but they > definitely make > more people sit in traffic around here than they > 'free from > traffic'. > > > Unless you fix the concentration of > traffic issue as well as the log-jam's at off-ramps > a 16 lane wide 395 > will be 16 lanes of dead-stopped traffic jams. No > thank you. > > [Dave] We surely have enough cars to fill that ... > pretty > ominous... One thing that baffles me - our local > governments keep > approving apartment complexes, town house > developments & high density > housing, with many households that are > multi-vehicle. The developers > are given tax BREAKS rather than charged additional > road > maintenance... So, we flood the roads with more > vehicles, and add > nothing to the transportation infrastructure. > ... > > I think we 'mericans have more of a mental/cultural > problem than > necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or > physical/technical > problem. > > [Dave] 'Tis true. A good working, cheap & reliable > public > transportation system would be worth paying for, > even to 'private > transportation or die' types like me. Even I > concede that just > widening the beltway etc.. won't solve our problems. > > I do believe however, that HOV lanes detract from > any potential > solution... > > Dave > > > > > -- > Sponsored by: > Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game > of poker? > Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play > some Roulette? > Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for > it all! > http://www.searchgambling.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:19:08 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:19:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: Todd Withrow , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Your simple minded answers forget one thing. When our ancestors came here, there was virtually an unlimited landspace for them to move into. That is not the case anymore. Space is running out, look at the crazy prices housing goes for in this town. Your rights to commute as you wish in whatever veichle you wish must coexist with other rights. They are not paramount. People have rights in terms of quality of life, environmental standards, etc. As we eat up more and more open space (there is now tract housing outside of Winchester, crazy) the rights of those who do not want to see this entire nation paved must be considered. Mark --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > IMO the big bump > > in revenues can be properly used to improve roads > > for better traffic > > flow > > Do you REALLY think that politicians can leave any > cash cow alone to be used for it's intended purpose. > The gas taxes we pay now are not used for roads. > What > makes you think that if we triple it, the roads will > get any better? > > Get a law pass that forbids congress from using any > tax money for other than it's intended purpose (gas, > FICA, etc.) and the world will be a better place. > > > > > hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT to > > car pool or use the > > Yep, that's me. > > > What's even > > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day > > than it does to pay > > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure > in > > gas and tires. > > > > Another reason my wife and I have never used mass > transit to commute. > > > > > Japan, eg Tokyo is a city every much as dense as > NYC > > and 2hr commutes > > are common-place. but it's done almost exclusively > > via train. Trains > > move a ton of people per linear foot, are a whole > > lot cheaper per > > capita, have no traffic jams to speak of and can > > (and do) run precisely > > on schedule. Japanese also don't worship at the > > alter of the > > automobile, don't slavishly seek independance and > > autonomy at any cost, > > and also don't like paying gas taxes. The entire > > culture has large > > underpinnings of self-sacrifice for the public > good > > whereas ours is > > entirely wrapped in selfish pursuits and the > > neighbors be damned. > > > > The Japanese also accept that as they stand at the > metro stop, someone will shove them into the train > as > hard as possible. To cram as many as possible onto > your silver steed. I don't mean other commuters. I > mean the attendent whose job it is to shove people > into rail cars. As Americans we don't accept being > pushed around. ) > > > > > > I think we 'mericans have more of a > mental/cultural > > problem than > > necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or > > physical/technical problem. > > > > I don't see it as a problem. That is what makes us > American. That is what set us apart when our > ancestors > left their country to come here. > > Todd W. > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now > society wants to childproof the world. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:36:38 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Hov lanes Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:39:06 -0400 With respect to mass transit, it's slow. I've got an outbound commute (although the outbound lanes on 395 between 3rd St. SE and the GW can be as equally clogged as the inbound.) Here's how the stats break down. Door to door. Motorcycle - 20 (usually) -30 minutes tops (park one block away, boss picks up tab.) At home I can park right in front of my house. No trolling for parking. Bicycle - 40 minutes (bike goes inside, no walking) Metro - 45-50 minutes (5-minute walk on DC end, 15 minutes on the Alex. end) Can take longer if I have to wait at L'Enfant. Have to stand until the train clears out at Pentagon City. Yes, you got it right. A reasonably fit human on a bicycle can easily beat Metro door to door on an 8-mile commute unless you happen to live and work on top of a station. Dave, you really need to get out and travel more. :) If you think DC Metro is a haven for crime and stinks of urine, etc., I commend to you the "vintage" subways and elevated railways of places like NYC, Boston, Phila., and Chicago. Most of the crime on the Metro system involves stolen cars and break-ins at garages, which resemble ghost towns in the middle of day. Add the Metro Police to the list of agencies working across all 3 jurisdictions. I disagree about the motor fuels tax, BTW, especially arbitrarily raising it on everyone. There are lots of inequities that would be magnified by doing so. Trucks pay too little based on the wear and tear they cause, not to mention the fact that they derive commercial benefit from the highways. Railroads also pay a tax on diesel, some of which goes directly to their competition: the truckers. Obviously the railroads aren't moving heavy loads by highway and they pay for their own tracks, including hefty property taxes. I also think that throwing money at the highway "problem" is not the way to go. I have serious doubts that giving VDOT more to spend would solve anything. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > > [Dave] Metro stops & stations are havens for increased crime, > diminished safety, often stink of urine, and you can look forward to > being stuffed in a tube with dozens of complete strangers during rush > hour. > > Metro takes at least 65 minutes and often a bit longer. What's even > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day than it does to pay > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in gas and tires. > > [Dave] That's pretty much the most telling paragraph in the thread > yet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:36:10 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:35:58 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: DC-Cycles , sdave@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Hov lanes >[Dave] Yeah, when I think Boston, certainly it conjures up images of a paragon of traffic efficiency... NOT. Their traffic is every bit a Charlie Foxtrot as ours is. In fact, HOV lanes seem to be a common thread among all the top 10 worst traffic cities (metro areas) ... makes you wonder... I lived in Boston for 7 years and the traffic there is nowhere near as bad as here IMO. The major backups could be circumvented fairly easily if you knew your way around and were confined to 4-6:30 or so Monday-Friday on main arteries only. I think Boston is notorious for the wacky configuration of the roads which there is no arguing, but it works. The Big-Dig regardless how you feel about it will, when completed, exceed capacity needs for some time to come. Imagine that, forethought. I figured I would be able to handle the traffic here after Boston, but nothing prepared me for the round the clock clusterfuck that is the DC Metro - NOVA area road situation. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:38:55 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:34:01 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: authority Bill asks - What constitutes a 'chickenshit' ticket? [Dave] I was paraphrasing from previous posts. I'll venture to say they're almost synonymous with 'bullshit' tickets though... I equate that to 'nothing better to do' tickets, or revenue generators. After all, if it was REALLY about safety, everyone would be pushing for jail time to get these scofflaws off the road ! I have been nabbed in speed traps but consider it 'tithing' for past unnoticed sins. A law is a law, we're supposed to know the law. If one is willing to accept the risk of ignoring the law than they should be willing to accept the consequences. [Dave] I'd just like the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, to a jury of my peers that I in fact broke the law, before being convicted... That's just my opinion though... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:52:27 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I can add another datapoint to Paul's writeup about bicycles beating public transport. For me I lived on Telegraph road and commuted to Crystal City, the north end of it. 12.4 miles each way. I could bike it door to door in 40 minutes. Taking the bus and train I'd be damn lucky to match the time and 99% it was rather worse despite the fact that the roads were not all that busy to Huntington Metro. Now though, the express bus can beat my hour long bike-trek to Rosslyn. If I were in shape like I used to be a scant 2 years ago I could probably get it down to 52 minutes and also find a better route. The distance is only about 15 miles but the route is a lot hillier and lots more traffic lights to deal with. Maybe by mid-summer... I used to elapsed AVERAGE speed of 18.2 mph on my old commute. "Passing on your left!!!!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 16:39:40 2002 From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt-l@XXXXXX Subject: Another reason to wear a helmet: Thinning the flock! Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 16:38:32 -0400 Riding home today in Rock Creek Park I was taking A nice sweeping turn when, out the corner of my eye, I see some wings flap followed by a thud on my face sheild! I took out a Freakin' bird! I pulled over a second later 'cause I couldn't believe what just happened. Sure enough there where a bunch of brown feathers jammed in the chin vent of the helmet! Another good reason to don your helmet and protective gear! Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 16:47:32 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 16:53:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill asks - > > What constitutes a 'chickenshit' ticket? and Dave sez... > [Dave] I'd just like the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, > to a jury of my peers that I in fact broke the law, before being > convicted... That's just my opinion though... Well, if one was motivated to spend time and $$$ with a lawyer who specializings in beating chickenshit tickets, one could have the State certify that the whatever ray-gun device or timing means was used to collect the speed numbers was tuned and accurate, and that the operator was trained to use it. A huge waste of my time and $$$, IMHO. I just cough up the fine and pay the damn ticket. I've been guilty as all hell every time. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 16:50:02 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:49:35 EDT Subject: Re: Crow munching anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/2/2002 2:42:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > I was little disconcerted to see a > mystery hold of $100. A few calls had in figured out, but it was a major > pain in the ass. Try it 1,000mi. from home. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 16:51:28 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:51:48 -0400 I don't mind the ticket that much, it's what it does to my insurance that I hate. And I will go to court every time I get a ticket. -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:53 PM Well, if one was motivated to spend time and $$$ with a lawyer who specializings in beating chickenshit tickets, one could have the State certify that the whatever ray-gun device or timing means was used to collect the speed numbers was tuned and accurate, and that the operator was trained to use it. A huge waste of my time and $$$, IMHO. I just cough up the fine and pay the damn ticket. I've been guilty as all hell every time. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 17:04:35 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:04:25 -0400 Subject: WTB- Cruiser From: Rob Curtis To: I have a friend looking for his first bike, if anyone knows of a 600-800cc Cruiser or Half-Faired Standard that can be had for $2-3g's let me know! Thanks- Robby C. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 17:12:20 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Curtis" , Subject: Re: WTB- Cruiser Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:13:57 -0400 How old? There was a 1985ish CB650SC for sale on here last week. Ride, learn, sell to another newbie after a season. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Curtis" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: WTB- Cruiser > I have a friend looking for his first bike, if anyone knows of a 600-800cc > Cruiser or Half-Faired Standard that can be had for $2-3g's let me know! > Thanks- > > Robby C. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 17:22:29 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Hov lanes/Re: Authority To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX here's my reluctant addition to the monotony that IS these 2 threads: pass legislation allowing for lane-splitting by motorcyclists and i wouldn't give two slippery shits about (i) HOV lanes or (ii) LEO authority -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 17:32:27 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:38:15 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: RichH@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't mind the ticket that much, it's what it does to my insurance that I > hate. And I will go to court every time I get a ticket. ACK! The insurance... Back in `65 I was on my way to see my gf and letting my stiffy do the driving - got nailed on I-40 in North Cakalaki doing 85. Went over the whammy strips (air tubes that trip an electric timer) with the brakes locked, tires smoking, and ripped the tubes up. Man, was the Deputy Sheriff pissed! Paid the fine but got banned from driving in NC for two years, unless I provided proof of SR-22 insurance. My VA rate would have gone from $135/yr to $401/yr! Screw that, I *moved* to North Cakalaki - $217/yr, no inspection, no PP tax! Oh yeah, and with an NC license and tag, no 'damn yankee' harrassment from the goober cops. But you're right, fear of escalating rates keeps me off the throttle. Well, not way off, just enough to slide by the gendarmes. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 18:32:26 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:32:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX you all are crazy! running out of room? my god there is plenty of room around this area. If you really don't believe that... i will take anyone flying and you will see just how much land is around here. Take a vacation in beijing.. see how much room there is in that city. HOV on 66 is working for me and my motorcycle.. so hope they keep it along time. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Your simple minded answers forget one thing. When > our > ancestors came here, there was virtually an > unlimited > landspace for them to move into. That is not the > case > anymore. Space is running out, look at the crazy > prices housing goes for in this town. > > Your rights to commute as you wish in whatever > veichle > you wish must coexist with other rights. They are > not > paramount. People have rights in terms of quality > of > life, environmental standards, etc. As we eat up > more > and more open space (there is now tract housing > outside of Winchester, crazy) the rights of those > who > do not want to see this entire nation paved must be > considered. > > Mark > > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > > IMO the big bump > > > in revenues can be properly used to improve > roads > > > for better traffic > > > flow > > > > Do you REALLY think that politicians can leave any > > cash cow alone to be used for it's intended > purpose. > > The gas taxes we pay now are not used for roads. > > What > > makes you think that if we triple it, the roads > will > > get any better? > > > > Get a law pass that forbids congress from using > any > > tax money for other than it's intended purpose > (gas, > > FICA, etc.) and the world will be a better place. > > > > > > > > > hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT > to > > > car pool or use the > > > > Yep, that's me. > > > > > What's even > > > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day > > > than it does to pay > > > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also > figure > > in > > > gas and tires. > > > > > > > Another reason my wife and I have never used mass > > transit to commute. > > > > > > > > > Japan, eg Tokyo is a city every much as dense as > > NYC > > > and 2hr commutes > > > are common-place. but it's done almost > exclusively > > > via train. Trains > > > move a ton of people per linear foot, are a > whole > > > lot cheaper per > > > capita, have no traffic jams to speak of and can > > > (and do) run precisely > > > on schedule. Japanese also don't worship at the > > > alter of the > > > automobile, don't slavishly seek independance > and > > > autonomy at any cost, > > > and also don't like paying gas taxes. The entire > > > culture has large > > > underpinnings of self-sacrifice for the public > > good > > > whereas ours is > > > entirely wrapped in selfish pursuits and the > > > neighbors be damned. > > > > > > > The Japanese also accept that as they stand at the > > metro stop, someone will shove them into the train > > as > > hard as possible. To cram as many as possible onto > > your silver steed. I don't mean other commuters. I > > mean the attendent whose job it is to shove people > > into rail cars. As Americans we don't accept being > > pushed around. ) > > > > > > > > > > > I think we 'mericans have more of a > > mental/cultural > > > problem than > > > necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or > > > physical/technical problem. > > > > > > > I don't see it as a problem. That is what makes us > > American. That is what set us apart when our > > ancestors > > left their country to come here. > > > > Todd W. > > > > ===== > > AIM: Inf DS > > > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. > Now > > society wants to childproof the world. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 20:48:25 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "The dc-cycles list administrator" Subject: Cross country trip, anyone? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:48:08 -0400 Im intersted in doing a cross country trip next year. I would like to find out if anyone in this group would be interested in riding their bikes to the west coast, and back. Email me personaly. ricardo@XXXXXX Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 20:46:33 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:46:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just a thought here, but is the real problem the HOV lanes or the people driving in them? I mean when I was driving as a single driver in my cage from Arlington to Manassas to get home, I often found that the right lanes would move faster than the HOV lane on 66. Just because you have two people in the car doesn't mean that you should be in the lane. Slower traffic keep right. When they don't you get all the others that are doing at least 10 mph over the posted limit weaving in and out of all of the lanes. They don't look where they are going and bang, we have another accident to tie the whole damn thing up even more. I thought I recalled reading the thread here, that it is a Virginia law that if someone is going faster than you, you must pull to the right if you have the ability to do so and let them pass or you too are breaking the law. I have since moved to Alexandria and no longer need to hit any highway to get to work, but when I find the need to drive south I do like the 95 express lanes during rush hour. Just remember that on most of the express lane drive the posted speed is 10 mph higher, so once again, if you're still going to go slow, get the hell out of the fast lane. Steve '01 YZF600R P.S. Great Bike Night last night. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 20:54:53 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:54:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Harpers Ferry trip? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Would anybody be interested for a ride to Harpers Ferry on the 15th of June? I got some responses from people last night at Bike Night and this seemed to be the preferred weekend. Steve '01 YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 21:08:47 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:08:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: Mark Kitchell , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX My "simple minded" answer forgets nothing. I was merely explaining a bit of the American mindset that is going to impede your Socialist Utopia. Good luck getting freedom loving Americans to act as drones. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Your simple minded answers forget one thing. When > our > ancestors came here, there was virtually an > unlimited > landspace for them to move into. That is not the > case > anymore. Space is running out, look at the crazy > prices housing goes for in this town. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:36:27 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:23:58 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pictures from the R6 Group Ride Here is the link to the pictures posted on the R6 message board: http://pub114.ezboard.com/fyamahar6messagenetmemberspictures.showMessage?topicID=692.topic If the link doesn't work. Go to www.r6messagenet.com, then go to members pictures and videos, then find the link titled: Skyline Group Ride We Saw Cooter! Enjoy -Mark PS: Ignore what the other board members comments. hehe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:37:16 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:43:59 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: s_burrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? Count me in for the Harpers Ferry Trip. Also, I want to say it was nice meeting everyone at Bike Night. And I hope some of you can make it to this group ride. -Mark In a message dated Mon, 3 Jun 2002 8:57:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, s_burrow@XXXXXX writes: > > > Would anybody be interested for a ride to Harpers > Ferry on the 15th of June? I got some responses from > people last night at Bike Night and this seemed to be > the preferred weekend. > > Steve > '01 YZF600R > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:44:53 2002 From: "Marc Washington" To: STmaven@XXXXXX, s_burrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:43:30 -0400 Where are we thinking about starting the ride? >From: STmaven@XXXXXX >To: s_burrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? >Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:43:59 -0400 > >Count me in for the Harpers Ferry Trip. Also, I want to say it was nice >meeting everyone at Bike Night. And I hope some of you can make it to this >group ride. > >-Mark > >In a message dated Mon, 3 Jun 2002 8:57:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >s_burrow@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Would anybody be interested for a ride to Harpers > > Ferry on the 15th of June? I got some responses from > > people last night at Bike Night and this seemed to be > > the preferred weekend. > > > > Steve > > '01 YZF600R > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:49:59 2002 From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:48:37 -0400 Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not quite sure yet......k cleuless Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:52:40 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? To: Marc Washington , STmaven@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I haven't really put any details together, but maybe we could get everyone together in Leesburg. Take rt 7 to rt 9 and then we have a couple of different routes to choose from. I'll let you know. If anyone else has any ideas, I would like to hear them. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:55:13 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:42:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Hov lanes At 02:41 PM 6/3/02 -0400, you wrote: [...] >The best (first do no harm) policy really is taxes on gas. > >[Dave] I agree, cut that mofo by 75% ! Yes! :-) >[Dave] I am a Dual income no kids (DINK) family member, and this >doesn't fit me - but some families do actually make use of SUV's... >far fewer than those (all) that buy them, but some... Some of us that don't have kids do have hobbies that require the use of large SUVs/trucks to pull trailers. Most of the time my gas-guzzling Suburban sits around, but I need it in my stable to drag around my 18' trailer :-) I'm sure there are others on this list that race their bikes and pull trailers to/from the track. >Now I realize that due to the vast expanses of territory this nation >covers, trucking is a HUGE part of our commerce system and killing it >with fuel costs is not a viable solution. One could consider waiving >the hike on diesel for commercial trucking operations. IMO the big >bump in revenues can be properly used to improve roads for better >traffic flow > >[Dave] I'm certainly 100% confident that our legislators would use >that money for ONLY transportations... uh huh.... Also consider how this huge tax increase would effect small businesses like landscapers, flower shops, your local carry out, etc. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 23:03:46 2002 From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , Subject: Re: Pictures from the R6 Group Ride Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:58:35 -0400 Mark: Thanks for posting the pictures. It was a fun group ride to 211. I am glad you made it to Bike Night. I hope to make the Harpers Ferry ride. Roy D. Turner, Esq. www.cfolaw.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Pictures from the R6 Group Ride > Here is the link to the pictures posted on the R6 message board: > > http://pub114.ezboard.com/fyamahar6messagenetmemberspictures.showMessage?top icID=692.topic > > If the link doesn't work. Go to www.r6messagenet.com, then go to members pictures and videos, then find the link titled: Skyline Group Ride We Saw Cooter! Enjoy > > -Mark > > PS: Ignore what the other board members comments. hehe > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 23:07:45 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:06:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt-l@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Another reason to wear a helmet: Thinning the flock! At 04:38 PM 6/3/02 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: >Riding home today in Rock Creek Park I was taking A nice sweeping turn >when, out the corner of my eye, I see some wings flap followed by a thud >on my face sheild! I took out a Freakin' bird! I pulled over a second >later 'cause I couldn't believe what just happened. Sure enough there >where a bunch of brown feathers jammed in the chin vent of the helmet! >Another good reason to don your helmet and protective gear! > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk Hawks always attack smaller birds!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 23:07:50 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:07:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... At 10:48 PM 6/3/02 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: >Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not quite sure yet......k >cleuless No. Period. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 23:52:22 2002 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Marc Washington" , Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:56:07 -0400 > Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not quite sure yet......k > cleuless. Marc Washington ******************************************** Illegal around these parts. Is Calif. the only place it's legal ?? MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 02:27:46 2002 From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Todd Withrow Cc: Mark Kitchell , sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: HOV lanes Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 02:39:06 -0400 |>I think the HOV lanes are a waste of space. I like the |>idea of the reversible express lanes like on I-395, |>but they should be open to everyone. I see cars waste space all the time.. I would like to see cars ride not side by side in 3 lanes on a 3 lane highway but instead pacing each other in line, or at worse, staggered formation. If we take a 4 lane highway and force cars to use 3 lanes, it forces them to tighten up... and eliminates the "damn I can't pass" effect. plus i feel motorcyclists should have their own lane anyway, so i like HOV. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 06:40:07 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin Laubach Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... To: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX How much tolerance is typically granted? Do they bother you for filtering to the front of the queue at stoplights, etc.? --- Bob Meyer wrote: > At 10:48 PM 6/3/02 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: > > >Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not > quite sure yet......k > >cleuless > > > No. Period. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 07:02:08 2002 From: Carl Schelin To: simon_weiss@XXXXXX, "Simon Weiss" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hov lanes Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:01:28 -0400 I normally clean up all the excess coding but this is just too much fun. See below for my response. On Monday 03 June 2002 12:52, Simon Weiss wrote: >
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-- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 07:08:53 2002 From: Carl Schelin To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hov lanes Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:08:42 -0400 On Monday 03 June 2002 14:41, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > The problem with a metro system like ours is that despite the tortuous > pain involved in sitting in countless traffic jams hour after > countless hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT to car pool > or use the bus/rail, or otherwise inconvenience themselves. I think > the State's ought to take full advantage of this inelastic demand > curve and charge the snot out of those who engage in such behavior. > > [Dave] Metro stops & stations are havens for increased crime, > diminished safety, often stink of urine, and you can look forward to > being stuffed in a tube with dozens of complete strangers during rush > hour. > *Achoo* Let's not forget the disease ridden. The guy across the way from Friday when I had to take the last VRE home was sniffling with every third breath and sneezing about every 10 minutes. Could be allergies though. > > I for one kiss the perverbial HOV sign because my commute (Springfield > to Rosslyn) under even the worst conditions is 25 minutes whereas it > could easily be 90 or more via 395. I've looked at bus/train but the > best time expenditure is 45 minutes per trip and that's only if I get > the Metro express bus direct into the Pentagon. Going FFax bus and > then > Metro takes at least 65 minutes and often a bit longer. What's even > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day than it does to pay > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in gas and tires. > > [Dave] That's pretty much the most telling paragraph in the thread > yet. > _But_ with the company sponsered $100 refund each month, my VRE ride is $57 for a monthly ticket from Woodbridge to SW. That beats riding the bike to work not to mention every mother's son and daughter on the cell not watching and damn near running us off the road *mumble* *mumble* Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 08:37:26 2002 From: "Wynn, Brad" To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: Newbie Question Re Gear... Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:41:14 -0400 Hello again everyone. I was wondering if there is somewhere besides Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. Their selections are sparse and expensive. Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. I've found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products out in person. Thanks in advance for your help!! -Brad W From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 08:40:21 2002 From: "Marc Washington" To: bradwynn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:40:13 -0400 Try them on anywhere and then buy them from www.newenough.com >From: "Wynn, Brad" >To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" >Subject: Newbie Question Re Gear... >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:41:14 -0400 > >Hello again everyone. I was wondering if there is somewhere besides >Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. Their selections >are >sparse and expensive. > >Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. >I've >found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products >out in person. > >Thanks in advance for your help!! > >-Brad W > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 08:45:25 2002 From: "Wynn, Brad" To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Newbie Question Re Gear... Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:49:22 -0400 Well, that is what I plan to do (try on the jackets and inspect the soft luggage), but where is there a good selection? Coleman's doesn't really have much stuff. Thanks again! -Brad -----Original Message----- From: Marc Washington [mailto:marcwashington@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:40 AM To: bradwynn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... Try them on anywhere and then buy them from www.newenough.com >From: "Wynn, Brad" >To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" >Subject: Newbie Question Re Gear... >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:41:14 -0400 > >Hello again everyone. I was wondering if there is somewhere besides >Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. Their selections >are >sparse and expensive. > >Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. >I've >found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products >out in person. > >Thanks in advance for your help!! > >-Brad W > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 08:54:06 2002 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:08:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... At 08:41 AM 6/4/02 -0400, you wrote: >Hello again everyone. I was wondering if there is somewhere besides >Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. Their selections are >sparse and expensive. > >Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. I've >found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products >out in person. I've found that Battley Cycles in Gaithersburg, MD (http://www.battley.com/) and Cycle's USA in Silver Spring (?), MD have good selections of gear. Cycle's USA has a little bit of luggage, Battley has almost nothing for sportbikes in the way of luggage. I purchased my wife's Kushitani summer jacket and my Sidi OnRoad Sympatex boots at Battley during their open house earlier this year. I also grabbed a Tourmaster Cortech Tribag system for my Hayabusa at Cycle's USA. As someone else mentioned, http://www.newenough.com/ is a great place to purchase. Paul and Holly are very nice and provide excellent customer service. I've purchased 3-4 items from them and returned items 2x because of poor fit. There is no charge for returns and they credited my Amex promptly. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 09:04:59 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , "Marc Washington" , Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:06:51 -0400 My research concludes the following: Two motor vehicles sharing a lane is expressly illegal in MD and VA. In fact VA includes lane sharing under its catch all reckless statute. DC has no express prohibition that I can find, although they could probably cite you for an improper lane change if they wanted to. As far as in practice on a daily basis, filtering and white-lining is generally tolerated in DC. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not quite sure yet......k > > cleuless. Marc Washington > ******************************************** > Illegal around these parts. > > Is Calif. the only place it's legal ?? > > MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 09:29:40 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... To: Marc Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Marc Washington wrote: > > Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not quite > sure yet......k > cleuless > > > Marc Washington > 88' Honda Hawk not legal in any of the three jurisdictions. however, folks seem to get away with filtering and splitting more easily in dc than in md./va.; and more easily in md. than in va. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 09:33:47 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... To: Paul Wilson , "Michael R. Cecchini" , Marc Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > My research concludes the following: > > Two motor vehicles sharing a lane is expressly > illegal in MD and VA. In > fact VA includes lane sharing under its catch all > reckless statute. Similar research done in Virginia indicates the following. In Virginia, it is tolerated that cars can share a lane with another vehicle. If the motorcycle initiates the lane sharing, it generally isn't tolerated. Examples where lane sharing will be tolerated in VA. At a traffic light, either a car or a motorcycle may filter to the front when making a right turn if the rest of the traffic is waiting to go straight. Don't drive/ride on the shoulder to do this. At a traffic light, a car may filter to the front when going straight if the other traffic is making a right turn. Don't do this with a motorcycle. If there are cars parked on the right AND a dashed white lane line is present indicating two lanes, lane sharing with the parked vehicles is generally tolerated. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 09:35:55 2002 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:35:56 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bradwynn@XXXXXX ("Wynn, Brad"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("DC Cycles List (E-mail)") Subject: RE: Newbie Question Re Gear... Which Coleman's are you going to? The one by Potomac Mills has a better selection than their other store. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 4 Jun 2002 M- 8:47:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Wynn, Brad" writes: >Well, that is what I plan to do (try on the jackets and inspect the soft >luggage), but where is there a good selection? M- Coleman's doesn't really >have much stuff. > >Thanks again! > >-Brad > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marc Washington [mailto:marcwashington@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:40 AM >To: bradwynn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... > > >Try them on anywhere and then buy them from www.newenough.com > > >>From: "Wynn, Brad" >>To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" >>Subject: Newbie Question Re Gear... >>Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:41:14 -0400 >> >>Hello again everyone. M- I was wondering if there is somewhere besides >>Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. M- Their selections >>are >>sparse and expensive. >> >>Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. M- >>I've >>found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products >>out in person. >> >>Thanks in advance for your help!! >> >>-Brad W >> > > > > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 09:37:42 2002 From: "Wynn, Brad" To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Newbie Question Re Gear... Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:41:40 -0400 Yeah, I've been stopping by their Falls Church store. I'll try the Woodbridge one. -Brad W -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:36 AM To: bradwynn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Newbie Question Re Gear... Which Coleman's are you going to? The one by Potomac Mills has a better selection than their other store. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 4 Jun 2002 M- 8:47:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Wynn, Brad" writes: >Well, that is what I plan to do (try on the jackets and inspect the soft >luggage), but where is there a good selection? M- Coleman's doesn't really >have much stuff. > >Thanks again! > >-Brad > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marc Washington [mailto:marcwashington@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:40 AM >To: bradwynn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... > > >Try them on anywhere and then buy them from www.newenough.com > > >>From: "Wynn, Brad" >>To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" >>Subject: Newbie Question Re Gear... >>Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:41:14 -0400 >> >>Hello again everyone. M- I was wondering if there is somewhere besides >>Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. M- Their selections >>are >>sparse and expensive. >> >>Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. M- >>I've >>found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products >>out in person. >> >>Thanks in advance for your help!! >> >>-Brad W >> > > > > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 10:10:18 2002 From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Tom Gimer Cc: Stevens John R DLVA , "DC Cycles Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: Re: YZF600 vs. ZX6E Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:21:57 -0400 I have a friend who just bought a 95 yzf. That thing rides the curves really well. I would have to agree the zxf is a better bike. On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>while it ain't as sporty as the r6/cbr600/gsxr600/zx6r, it |>is a better sportbike than the zx6e and yam fit and finish |>is also better. |> |> |> |> |>--- Stevens John R DLVA wrote: |>> To pull this thread a little further, anyone have any |>> thoughts on the YZF |>> vs. the ZX-600E? |>> |>> TIA, |>> John Stevens |>> '77 GS750 |>> Waldorf, MD |> |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup |>http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 10:13:32 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:13:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... Another local place with new and pre-owned gear is "Motorcycle Leather Exchange" http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html l She gave me quite a lot of nice advice as a new rider. From her FAQ "I prefer to ship all my merchandise, but if you are in the DC area and want to try something on in person, please get in touch." Erick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 10:51:00 2002 X-eGroups-Return: Eben.Cox@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:42:29 -0000 From: "motocox200" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order I have to chime in on this one. I'm getting married this July 6. I never thought I would actually get married. It's still hard for me to believe that I'm going to go through with it. But I do have a wonderful girl who among other things, LOVES TO RIDE MOTORCYCLES. And I think we are going to Las Vegas for our Honeymoon! YEEHAA! Eben Manassas VFR(his), Hawk(hers), KTM(his), KX(hers)... --- In dc-cycles@y..., "Jeannette Zell" wrote: > CONGRATULATIONS!!!! :-) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > >From: Mark Kitchell > >To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@d... > >Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order > >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I think my last message never got sent. > > > >Thanks for the good wishes everyone! I am really > >quite happy and now delphine wants her own bike too! > >I just have to convince her that a VFR is not a > >starter bike. > > > >Mark > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 11:09:38 2002 From: "Laura Granato" To: "motocox200" , Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:22:40 -0400 > I have to chime in on this one. I'm getting married this July 6. I > never thought I would actually get married. It's still hard for me > to believe that I'm going to go through with it. But I do have a > wonderful girl who among other things, LOVES TO RIDE MOTORCYCLES. > And I think we are going to Las Vegas for our Honeymoon! YEEHAA! > Congrats, Eben! :) LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 11:25:33 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:25:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Congratulations too. Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone want to share some interesting stories where their SO did not like bikes? What did you do? Mark --- motocox200 wrote: > I have to chime in on this one. I'm getting married > this July 6. I > never thought I would actually get married. It's > still hard for me > to believe that I'm going to go through with it. > But I do have a > wonderful girl who among other things, LOVES TO RIDE > MOTORCYCLES. > And I think we are going to Las Vegas for our > Honeymoon! YEEHAA! > > Eben > Manassas > VFR(his), Hawk(hers), KTM(his), KX(hers)... > > --- In dc-cycles@y..., "Jeannette Zell" > wrote: > > CONGRATULATIONS!!!! :-) > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > >From: Mark Kitchell > > >To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@d... > > >Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I think my last message never got sent. > > > > > >Thanks for the good wishes everyone! I am really > > >quite happy and now delphine wants her own bike > too! > > >I just have to convince her that a VFR is not a > > >starter bike. > > > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 11:30:06 2002 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:23:18 -0400 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: pulled over To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:15:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: authority Once while inbound on 66 inside the Beltway, I was pulled over by the FAA Police! No kidding. No citation. Leave it to me to experience something unique. :-) /// Rob WOW!! I thought I had it bad with having experience of having been in a vehicle that was pulled over by Metro (WMATA) police!! Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 11:39:37 2002 From: DamonJ@XXXXXX To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:39:44 -0400 I am also engaged and my SO loves motorcycles. She has been a passenger for quite awhile but is taking the MSF course this summer because she wants to get her own bike. The interesting thing is that she is 4'-10" so it will be interesting to see what she can comfortably ride. My first bike (which I am still on now but if financial plans work out well will be the last summer before a new one) is a Suzuki Savage 650. That just may be her new bike. It has been a great newbie bike for me. Light and easy to control and is easy to become comfortable on the roads with. If anyone else has a good suggestion for a newbie bike for someone of small stature I/she would appreciate any suggestions. Congrats to all the other engagements. This is kind of a sappy start to the day but what the hell. Damon -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order Congratulations too. Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone want to share some interesting stories where their SO did not like bikes? What did you do? Mark --- motocox200 wrote: > I have to chime in on this one. I'm getting married > this July 6. I > never thought I would actually get married. It's > still hard for me > to believe that I'm going to go through with it. > But I do have a > wonderful girl who among other things, LOVES TO RIDE > MOTORCYCLES. > And I think we are going to Las Vegas for our > Honeymoon! YEEHAA! > > Eben > Manassas > VFR(his), Hawk(hers), KTM(his), KX(hers)... > > --- In dc-cycles@y..., "Jeannette Zell" > wrote: > > CONGRATULATIONS!!!! :-) > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > >From: Mark Kitchell > > >To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@d... > > >Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I think my last message never got sent. > > > > > >Thanks for the good wishes everyone! I am really > > >quite happy and now delphine wants her own bike > too! > > >I just have to convince her that a VFR is not a > > >starter bike. > > > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 11:44:34 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:39:27 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Motos and relationships... Mark ReMarks - Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone want to share some interesting stories where their SO did not like bikes? What did you do? [Dave] My wife does not share my affinity for speed, doesn't discourage me from riding, and prefers cruisers to sportbikes... I typically ride solo... That said, she's also known at Fast Lane, regularly picking me up gift certificates, parts, etc... In fact Those guys usually fall all over themselves to take care of her when she stops by for some part, service or other. she works closer... In fact - one time, I shagged a tire, took it off, & sent it to work with her. Called Fast Lane & let them know she was coming. One of the guys outside noticed the Merth-mobile, came up & said 'hey, aren't you Mrs. Yates' ? 'Let me get that wheel for you'... 10 minutes later, new mounted/balanced wheel & tire back in her trunk, she's on her way. We also tend to 'knock helmets' when I shift... I think she does it on purpose, 'cause I've noticed she does it while I'm COASTING ;-) Once in a while, she'll also shoot with me, but nowhere near as regular as I do... We both work in IT, and met at a former job. She's not really against any of my hobbies, and does support them, but doesn't participate as much... I wouldn't mind if she did, but won't force her to. I'll often invite her to track events, or the like and I think it works just fine for us... Dave Mark -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 11:50:56 2002 From: "Marc Washington" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, (longish/sappy) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:50:48 -0400 My "SO" is not to hot about my bike, but maybe for good reason. Last year my fiancee and i were about to call it quits. We hadn't seen each other in about a month. During this time I was out riding my bike and lost it pretty bad on some gravel, broke my clavicle. I made it after waiting for a couple hours for freind with a pickup to get the mangled bike, I got to hospital. Anyway I was in a lot of pain, the only person i wanted to call was her. Anyway I got in touch with her and about an hour later she showed up. It was great to see her. the accident made me realize how much I cared about her. Anyway, sorry about the long sappy story, but to conclude, we are getting married April 5th of next year and she will never ever ride the bike with me and can't wait 'til I get out of this phase....She may be waiting a while! Signed emotional in DC >From: Mark Kitchell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:25:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Congratulations too. > >Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO >loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone >want to share some interesting stories where their SO >did not like bikes? What did you do? > >Mark > >--- motocox200 wrote: > > I have to chime in on this one. I'm getting married > > this July 6. I > > never thought I would actually get married. It's > > still hard for me > > to believe that I'm going to go through with it. > > But I do have a > > wonderful girl who among other things, LOVES TO RIDE > > MOTORCYCLES. > > And I think we are going to Las Vegas for our > > Honeymoon! YEEHAA! > > > > Eben > > Manassas > > VFR(his), Hawk(hers), KTM(his), KX(hers)... > > > > --- In dc-cycles@y..., "Jeannette Zell" > > wrote: > > > CONGRATULATIONS!!!! :-) > > > > > > - Jeannette > > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > > > >From: Mark Kitchell > > > >To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@d... > > > >Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >I think my last message never got sent. > > > > > > > >Thanks for the good wishes everyone! I am really > > > >quite happy and now delphine wants her own bike > > too! > > > >I just have to convince her that a VFR is not a > > > >starter bike. > > > > > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 11:58:03 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:57:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO > loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone > want to share some interesting stories where their SO > did not like bikes? What did you do? > > Mark Congrats to all of you engaged people! My wife likes the motorcycle on short rides, but if the ride gets too long or too twisty, she doesn't like it quite as well (i.e. gets dizzy if I take the switchbacks too fast). For example, we went on the PARR Poker run this past Sunday (which was also our 6th month anniversarry!) It started out well, but after the first stop, she was getting a bad headache from the heat/sun and a little saddle sore. But she saw the look of disappointment on my face when I said it was okay to head back home, and she insisted we continue on. We finished up, each getting a trophy in our category (Buddy / Passenger), and when we got home she was exhausted, but feeling better. So for me, I just have to keep moderation in mind when she's riding with me. No fast or curvy roads, more frequent breaks, no Iron Butt type rides. I don't want to push the envelope to the point where she hates motorcycles. Actually the only issue we had about bikes before we got married was my teaching the MSF course. When I teach (once a month) it's Friday night, then all day Saturday and Sunday. She is an orthodox Jew, and thus won't work, drive, or do several things from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. It took a lot of discussion and compromises, but we finally worked it out, although she isn't leaping for joy when I go to teach. Speaking of the PARR poker run, they put on a really good one this year (they are now down to a yearly poker run, and a yearly polar bear run). Nice back roads from Leesburg out to Shepardstown, WV and back over White's Ferry. A few of the roads caught us by surprise, like a sharp left turn with gravel on the way, and some construction where the road turned to dirt for a few yards. The last leg had a turn almost every mile, and I finally made a wrong turn and had to back track with half of my group (the other half read the directions correctly). Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 11:58:50 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:00:55 -0400 My wife has zero interest in riding either as a pilot or pillion, but she has been generally supportive of me getting a bike, teaching MSF, going on trips, etc. Playing second fiddle on the back of a bike is not her idea of a good time. The hierarchical relationship is all too obvious I think. :) Once in a while I bring up her taking MSF to no avail. So, we each have our own leisure time activities and things we enjoy doing together like riding bicycles and horses. She gets to embarrass me with her superior equestrian skills from time to time. Still it's healthy for us to have independent activities and a circles of friends outside couplehood. I'm not passing judgment on couples who seemed joined at the hip every second, but that's not what suits us and we each need to "do our own thing." From my point of view you really can't have your entire existence wrapped up in one person. I've seen some very unhealthy relationships that proceed on that basis. On to the independent activities. There's a very large piece of furniture with 88 black and white keys arriving at our house soon. I'm hard pressed to find Middle C and don't have much interest in learning, but she enjoys the piano, so we're getting one. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Congratulations too. > > Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO > loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone > want to share some interesting stories where their SO > did not like bikes? What did you do? > > Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 12:19:30 2002 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:19:10 -0400 On Tuesday 04 June 2002 11:25, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Congratulations too. > > Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO > loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone > want to share some interesting stories where their SO > did not like bikes? What did you do? Last year when I proposed a bike tour around some western states, she was very interested. Co -> Wy -> Ut -> Id -> Or -> Wa -> Id -> Mt -> Wy -> Co She had not ridden a bike in several years. She went on eBay and bought a fairly nice helmet and was fairly raring to go. Then she picked up a book about riding that had stories that were very eye opening to her and it seemed to scare her a bit so the trip via bike was out. We went anyway but drove it in a car (3,000 miles in two weeks). The book seemed a little funny to me and overly pessimistic. Stories about accidents. Bad trips and vacations that seemed like lots of fun to me were less amusing to her. After driving in this area for the past two years (she's from Colorado), she's scared to death of the drivers, not that I blame her. So in September I bought the Softail Classic, pseudo touring type bike. Unfortunately she couldn't handle being on the back of the bike (too short and vibrations aggrevated her back). The few times she did ride with me, it was reluctantly. In October we went down Skyline Drive. In November we rode to New York (America's 911 Ride). We did a Christmas Toy Run in Dumfries. She went with me when I got frustrated at work and headed for Atlanta for the weekend. But she didn't go when I put 2,000 miles on it driving to Daytona. So I sold it back in March. She still appears to be interested in riding, just not in this area. I'll be looking for a starter bike (500cc's or so) that rides low enough for her to put her feet down and we'll start riding into the country together. I'm hoping she'll be as enthusiastic about riding as I am. We'll probably be trailering our bikes initially so she doesn't have to ride in this traffic. Perhaps after some riding she'll be comfortable enough to ride from home to our destination. But I won't push her. No avoidable accidents. We'll keep you up to date. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 12:26:19 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:26:09 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: pulled over I'm surprised they have any authority if you weren't on the Dulles Access Road or in DC. Did they ask for your pilot's license? Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Lisa Goddard Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:23:18 -0400 >Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:15:45 -0400 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Rob Winters >Subject: Re: authority > >Once while inbound on 66 inside the Beltway, I was pulled over by the FAA >Police! > >No kidding. > >No citation. > >Leave it to me to experience something unique. :-) > > /// Rob > > >WOW!! I thought I had it bad with having experience of having been in a >vehicle that was pulled over by Metro (WMATA) police!! > >Lisa >'95 VFR > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 12:31:26 2002 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:36:27 -0400 > From: "Carl Schelin" > After driving in this area for the past two years (she's from Colorado), > she's scared to death of the drivers, not that I blame her. ***************************************** IMO..............the northeast corridor (richmond to boston) is one of the most lethal areas I have expereinced. It's the "cage" attitude that will get you mamed or killed. Either they are jealous that your not stuck in the same ignorant stagnation as they.............or they just don't consider you at all. Bottom line: Your no more than a bug on their suv grill. Agressive DEFENSIVE driving is critical. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 12:35:04 2002 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:30:45 -0400 From: Tom de To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motos and relationships... My wife could care a less about me riding, as long the life insurance is paid up :). But she really likes the look of my SuperHawk, and Ducatis. She almost crashed into a trailer while checking out a Duc 996 one day. I'm slowly working her up to a weekend bike outing, renting a GoldWing/Big-bike and going somewhere nice. Once we do that I'm pretty sure she'll want her own bike. Cheers, Tom de '98 SH sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >Mark ReMarks - > >Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO >loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone >want to share some interesting stories where their SO >did not like bikes? What did you do? > >[Dave] My wife does not share my affinity for speed, doesn't >discourage me from riding, and prefers cruisers to sportbikes... I >typically ride solo... That said, she's also known at Fast Lane, >regularly picking me up gift certificates, parts, etc... In fact > > Those guys usually fall all over themselves to take >care of her when she stops by for some part, service or other. she >works closer... In fact - one time, I shagged a tire, took it off, & >sent it to work with her. Called Fast Lane & let them know she was >coming. One of the guys outside noticed the Merth-mobile, came up & >said 'hey, aren't you Mrs. Yates' ? 'Let me get that wheel for >you'... 10 minutes later, new mounted/balanced wheel & tire back in >her trunk, she's on her way. > > >We also tend to 'knock helmets' when I shift... I think she does it >on purpose, 'cause I've noticed she does it while I'm COASTING ;-) > >Once in a while, she'll also shoot with me, but nowhere near as >regular as I do... >We both work in IT, and met at a former job. She's not really >against any of my hobbies, and does support them, but doesn't >participate as much... I wouldn't mind if she did, but won't force >her to. I'll often invite her to track events, or the like and I >think it works just fine for us... > >Dave > >Mark > > > > >-- >Sponsored by: >Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? >Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? >Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! >http://www.searchgambling.com > -- Tom De Boeser tom.deboeser@XXXXXX Senior Systems Engineer Dimension Data US www.didata.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 12:43:59 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'mrc.engr@XXXXXX'" Subject: authority Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:47:54 -0400 Michael R. Cecchini commented, "Having worked with (not for) the USS Secret Service for 27 years at the VP residence on Mass. Ave. D.C. I can attest to: 1. Motor vehicle laws are a not what they deal with. . . " A few years ago on a fine summer morning about 6:30 a.m., Officer Willis of the uniformed SS cited me for "high speed". We had been going down Conn. hitting the lights synchronized at 30 MPH (Most SS & ExS drivers speed up, stop at the light, and wait for me to pass them at 30 MPH when the light turns green). He didn't know the light at Calvert was synchronized at 20 MPH and stopped waiting for the green. I passed him doing 25 when the light turned green. He pulled me over at the end of the bridge; admitted he didn't know how fast I was going but cited me anyway. He did have the decency to not show up at the hearing. Moral: Don't poke the bear -- even when you're right. "Me ??? I feel waaaaaaay better in D.C. than I do in Md. or Va.. DC cops have their priorities in order and have to worry about homicides, robberies and REAL offences.............not the chickenshit stuff we have to deal with in the 'burbs." Then there's the Park Police. There are some good folks there, but at least one lying jerk that the DC administrative officer couldn't believe. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 12:56:13 2002 From: Carl Schelin To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:55:49 -0400 On Tuesday 04 June 2002 12:36, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > > From: "Carl Schelin" > > After driving in this area for the past two years (she's from Colorado), > > she's scared to death of the drivers, not that I blame her. > > ***************************************** > IMO..............the northeast corridor (richmond to boston) is one of the > most lethal areas I have expereinced. It's the "cage" attitude that will > get you mamed or killed. Either they are jealous that your not stuck in > the same ignorant stagnation as they.............or they just don't > consider you at all. > In the first month of riding back in October, I had 6 close calls with people moving over or pulling out in front of me. Fortunately I was paying close attention. My wife, smart as she is, made me wear an orange crossing guard type vest and I began riding on the right side of the lane. The number of incidents had reduced to two in four months. Both of them cell phone freaks: Guy in a pickup decides traffic is not fast enough on the right and jerks to the left lane... as I'm going by. Lady in a green minivan with kids and a cell driving back and forth on 95 south from the right to left lanes moves to the right lane where I'm waiting to exit. I noticed that she was yelling at her kids at the same time. On most occasions, I expected it to happen. The guy on Darbydale making a right on Minnieville and I'm in the right lane. _whee_ slide to the left aware that there is no one in the left two lanes. Guy in a van making a left onto Darbydale. _whee_ stop when he pulls out in front of me and then turn around when he stops to apologize "What if I had been a kid on a bicycle? Pay attention next time." Oh, but the guy in the green sedan in a parking spot across from DOT pulling a U-turn directly in front of me. *smirking* "I didn't see you." If he hadn't driven off... > Bottom line: Your no more than a bug on their suv grill. > Drive Offensively -- Steve Jackson > Agressive DEFENSIVE driving is critical. > Oh yea. > MC Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 13:06:55 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Horn Question To: DC Cycles A few years ago I installed FIAMM horns on my VFR. The VFR-list instructions called for a 30 amp relay to be installed in order to protect the horn switch. I unwisely ignored those instructions. For the past year I have been having serious problems with the horn. The main issue is that the horn only sounds when I am at idle. When the bike (engine) is moving, the horn barely sounds at all or does not sound. Do you think installing this relay will help? And sorry for the dumb question, but where do I install the relay? Thanks Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 13:14:43 2002 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:15:48 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: singley@XXXXXX (Erick Singley), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... Yep. Colleen is real nice and very helpful. She's also a lister. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:14:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Erick Singley writes: >Another local place with new and pre-owned gear is "Motorcycle >Leather Exchange" http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html l M- She >gave me quite a lot of nice advice as a new rider. From her FAQ "I >prefer to ship all my merchandise, but if you are in the DC area and >want to try something on in person, please get in touch." >Erick > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 13:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54HJU219368; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000501c20bec$58e84680$95531840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Laconia, or Loudon if you must... Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:22:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Anyone going up to Laconia next week? Or racing the FUSA event at Loudon, NH? Me and two friends are leaving Wednesday the 12th at the ass-crack of dawn if you want to tag along. Send me a note off-list and we'll co-ordinate... Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC 185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project "We're all here 'cause we're not all there" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 13:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54HKGF19459; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:20:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: marcwashington@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Another reason to wear a helmet: Thinning the flock! Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:19:55 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 28 2002) Message-Id: <20020604171956.KMFG13408.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I was just about to post a similar story when I read this. Mine happenned on 395. I had just enough reaction time to duck and cover before THUNK on the top of my helmet. Fortunately I am coordinated enough to drive stright while ducking and covering. I can't imagine how much a pigeon would hurt at 70mph. Worse than that, on my way back from Charlottesville this weekend, an eagle decided to take off right in front of me. Seriously, a golden eagle... I barely had time to register a thought as to what it would be like to wear talons in my chest when the thing achieved enough elevation to get out of my way. I think the universe is trying to tell me something, but I am not sure what... -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star >Riding home today in Rock Creek Park I was taking A >nice sweeping turn when, >out the corner of my eye, I see some wings flap >followed by a thud on my >face sheild! I took out a Freakin' bird! I pulled over >a second later >'cause I couldn't believe what just happened. Sure >enough there where a >bunch of brown feathers jammed in the chin vent of the >helmet! Another good >reason to don your helmet and protective gear! Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 13:23:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54HNVK19677; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020604172324.4943.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Horn Question To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020604170649.91919.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > A few years ago I installed FIAMM horns on my VFR. > The VFR-list instructions called for a 30 amp relay > to > be installed in order to protect the horn switch. > > I unwisely ignored those instructions. Bad boy! :-) For the past > year I have been having serious problems with the > horn. The main issue is that the horn only sounds > when I am at idle. When the bike (engine) is > moving, > the horn barely sounds at all or does not sound. > Not good. > Do you think installing this relay will help? And > sorry for the dumb question, but where do I install > the relay? > It might help, lets hope you haven't overloaded the wiring and are now causing short. Basically what the relay does is to switch your horn off and on from a power source that is a higher rating then what your horn circuit can handle. What you want to do is to hook the horn lead to the coil on the relay. The other end of the coil goes to ground. Now you have to other connections that you'll need to connect. Think of these connections as a "switch". One of these will go from "hot" wire from the battery and the other to the horn creating the switch. One important thing to remember here is that the lead coming from your horn button can either be a positive lead (hot) or it could be a negitive lead (ground). In that case the connections on your coil will have to be reversed. A Toyota I used to have was wired this way. If you need any help or this doesn't make any sense then let me know. Glenn > Thanks > > Mark > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 13:32:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54HWPS19995; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:32:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: (Andrew Culpepper) biga@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Laconia, or Loudon if you must... To: X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:32:20 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c20bec$58e84680$95531840@apnHOFOJOKO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:22:03 -0400 "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > Hey, > Anyone going up to Laconia next week? Or racing the FUSA event > at Loudon, NH? I plan to ride up Monday or Tuesday for the week. Andrew '90 EX500 '01 ZR-7S From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 13:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54HVYQ19945; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:31:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005b01c20bee$0f6fc3a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" References: <20020604170649.91919.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Horn Question Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:33:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Mark, the horn switch wasn't designed to carry the higher current draw of the Fiamms as compared to the stocker. The switch may be arcing or something and the contacts may need cleaning. I would wire the relay (with a fuse) directly off the battery and use the existing horn circuit to trigger the relay. That way the horn is controlled through the ignition switch and won't go off when the bike's parked. I've done a lot of electrical farkling on the VFR, so hit me (metaphorically!) off list if I can be of more assistance. Hope that helps, Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > A few years ago I installed FIAMM horns on my VFR. > The VFR-list instructions called for a 30 amp relay to > be installed in order to protect the horn switch. > > I unwisely ignored those instructions. For the past > year I have been having serious problems with the > horn. The main issue is that the horn only sounds > when I am at idle. When the bike (engine) is moving, > the horn barely sounds at all or does not sound. > > Do you think installing this relay will help? And > sorry for the dumb question, but where do I install > the relay? > > Thanks > > Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 13:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54HkHT20433; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009201c20bf0$21c35060$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "dc-cycles list" References: <20020604155759.30997.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:48:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yes, I'd have agree with Louis about the strain of teaching MSF in the SO/spouse department. It can be quite the imposition on a weekend and on religious observances. Teaching can be all-consuming and I arrive home tired three nights in a row. The Friday night to Saturday morning transition is especially rough. Just as many working folks are winding down from a week at work, I go spend three hours in front of a class. If I had a less structured employment situation I'd much prefer teaching during the week. The schedule seems designed to ensure that only the hard core (or the retired and semi-retired) will want to teach MSF. It's a good thing I like to do it. :) Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" > Actually the only issue we had about bikes before we got married was my > teaching the MSF course. When I teach (once a month) it's Friday night, then > all day Saturday and Sunday. She is an orthodox Jew, ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 14:34:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54IYaE21252; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:34:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020604183434.68568.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Motos and relationships To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020604152530.50081.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Congratulations too. > > Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO > loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone > want to share some interesting stories where their > SO > did not like bikes? What did you do? Ok. When my son was in elementary school, my wife and I were to attend a Parent-Teacher Conference about him. Since it was only a few blocks away and the weather was nice, I suggested we take the bike. So we head for the school; two-up on the Hawk Honda-matic. At the second corner, I slowed from the 25 mph speed limit and started around the corner. The bike leaned left, wife leaned right, I counter-steered and leaned more left, wife leaned more right. By this time we were pretty much around the corner, but in unison, we asked "What the hell are you doing?" By mutual agreement, she doesn't ride on motorcycles. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 14:48:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54Im6D21608; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:48:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020604184802.48429.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Motos and relationships To: Leon Begeman , Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020604183434.68568.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Congratulations too. > > > > Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO > > loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone > > want to share some interesting stories where their > > SO > > did not like bikes? What did you do? > > Ok. When my son was in elementary school, my wife and > I were to attend a Parent-Teacher Conference about > him. Since it was only a few blocks away and the > weather was nice, I suggested we take the bike. So we > head for the school; two-up on the Hawk Honda-matic. > > At the second corner, I slowed from the 25 mph speed > limit and started around the corner. The bike leaned > left, wife leaned right, I counter-steered and leaned > more left, wife leaned more right. By this time we > were pretty much around the corner, but in unison, we > asked "What the hell are you doing?" > > By mutual agreement, she doesn't ride on motorcycles. good story, leon. i have similar stories, but with a different result. my wife likes to ride pillion, although it does sometimes scare the shit out of her. we're working to get better; and she believes she'll one day be ready to learn to ride herself. as a passenger, now that she has learned to consistently look over my shoulder -- the shoulder in the direction we are turning -- and hang on properly (thanks todd peer and http://www.buddybelt.com), things are much more enjoyable. there are only so many women who can/will put in 200+ twisty miles on the back seat of a 996. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 18:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54MI0O25394; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020604180807.00eddd80@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:19:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order In-Reply-To: <20020604152530.50081.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:25 AM 6/4/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO >loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Maybe you engagement newbies, but not those of us who've been in that weakened condition for a tad longer -- let's see, coming up on ten and a half years now. Nancy likes riding on the bikes for short hops as a passenger, but for any appreciable distance I'm sure she'd vote for the Miata with the top down. >Anyone want to share some interesting stories where their SO >did not like bikes? What did you do? The previous Nancy had her competition horses, and I had my race cars and bikes. Seemed fair to me, except that the same Suburban pulled both trailers. We probably divorced because of scheduling conflicts. 8;) Anyway, congrats and condolences to all the newbies, as appropriate. Maybe the Rev. Moon could be persuade to perform a dc-cycles mass ceremony on the mall. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 18:22:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54MMaf25627; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:22:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020604182239.00eba038@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:24:23 -0400 To: "dc-cycles list" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order In-Reply-To: <003a01c20be1$2209a600$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <20020604152530.50081.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:00 PM 6/4/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >On to the independent activities. There's a very large piece of furniture >with 88 black and white keys arriving at our house soon. I'm hard pressed >to find Middle C and don't have much interest in learning, but she enjoys >the piano, so we're getting one. Uprights make dandy places to set the helmets, and grands make great emergency workbenches. "Very large" -- that would be a 9-foot Bosendorfer? Better hope she doesn't get into boating... 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 18:34:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54MYOx25907; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:34:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020604183534.00ee0b48@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:36:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Motos and relationships In-Reply-To: <20020604184802.48429.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020604183434.68568.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:48 PM 6/4/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >there are only so many women who can/will put in 200+ >twisty miles on the back seat of a 996. I take it "so many" equals zero, no? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 18:37:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54Mb8I26069; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:37:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020604182713.00ecef48@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:38:58 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Horn Question In-Reply-To: <20020604172324.4943.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020604170649.91919.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >.... Basically what the >relay does is to switch your horn off and on from a >power source that is a higher rating then what your >horn circuit can handle. Well, close. What a relay does is switch on and off a horn which requires too much current for the switch to handle, as well as generally allowing you to use shorter, more direct wires for less voltage drop (which translates into lost decibels of volume) from the voltage source to the relay/horn. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 19:47:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54NlJn27492; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:47:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <132.ec8d5c2.2a2eab7d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:47:09 EDT Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/4/2002 10:52:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Eben.Cox@XXXXXX writes: > I think we are going to Las Vegas for our Honeymoon! YEEHAA! On the bikes? Congrats. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 19:51:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54NpwI27704; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:51:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <28.278ee8c9.2a2eac84@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:51:32 EDT Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/4/2002 11:27:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone > want to share some interesting stories where their SO > did not like bikes? My rule was that the first date was on the bike. Set the tone right off the bat. Did I lose a few honeys? No, if she did not like bikes she werent no honey. It worked, Angela and I honeymooned on my bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 19:56:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54NuHF27825; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:56:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Wanted: Air-Cooled GSX-R750 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:44:44 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c20c21$ce21a240$1b06030a@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Looking for an older Air Cooled 750. With no engine is even better. I want to make a good track-day bike. I have a low mileage 750 motor waiting for a home. Must be sound (no bent frames) but cosmetics (scratched, slightly dented tank) not important. If you have a rolling chassis like this, please let me know. Gary Foreman TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 19:59:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g54Nx0427980; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:59:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020604235854.37185.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Motos and relationships To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020604183534.00ee0b48@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Larry Larson wrote: > At 02:48 PM 6/4/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >there are only so many women who can/will put in 200+ > >twisty miles on the back seat of a 996. > > I take it "so many" equals zero, no? no... i've got one here. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 20:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g550ArL28268; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:10:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17f.94eb494.2a2eb0f3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:10:27 EDT Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/4/2002 11:27:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone > want to share some interesting stories where their SO > did not like bikes? A young woman I knew for years in Florida (Judy, who liked bikes) had a "pen pall" relationship for years with a fellow from South Dakota (or thereabouts, (Bruce.)) She really liked this guy and thought she could have a serious relationship with him if they ever met. Then after several years he was able to travel to FL on a Triumph Bonneville for several days. Well it was nice, but they were both a bit nervous and hesitant so while it was not a bad visit, it was not the dreamed for WOW. After a few days he left for home, both of them disappointed. She was thinking "if only" he was thinking "if only." Then just outside of town... the bike broke. With no where else to stay he headed back. They made damn good use of the second chance and have been married for over 20 years with three kids (I think) and I expect a load of grandkids by now. All because a bike broke. True story. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 20:35:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g550ZHq28823; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:35:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:35:03 EDT Subject: Re: Another reason to wear a helmet: Thinning the flock! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/4/2002 1:22:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, purdyjeremy@XXXXXX writes: > I barely had > time to register a thought as to what it would be like > to wear talons in my chest when the thing achieved > enough elevation to get out of my way. I was riding in a group one time late at night (Dark! very Dark, out in the country dark.) when what had to be an owl flew directly in front of the lead bike and did a _sharp_ banking turn. The lead rider went from having absolutely nothing in front of him to having the full wingspan of a very large owl no more then 3 or 4 feet in front of his bike. I damn near shit and I was about 3 bikes back. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 20:37:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g550bJj28885; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:37:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.101.153.20] From: "Marc Washington" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:37:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2002 00:37:12.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[21FB8780:01C20C29] Another romance given a chance because of misfortune on a bike. Even when they are bad they are good. 'sigh' >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:10:27 EDT > >In a message dated 6/4/2002 11:27:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > Anyone > > want to share some interesting stories where their SO > > did not like bikes? > > >A young woman I knew for years in Florida (Judy, who liked bikes) had a >"pen >pall" relationship for years with a fellow from South Dakota (or >thereabouts, >(Bruce.)) She really liked this guy and thought she could have a serious >relationship with him if they ever met. >Then after several years he was able to travel to FL on a Triumph >Bonneville >for several days. Well it was nice, but they were both a bit nervous and >hesitant so while it was not a bad visit, it was not the dreamed for WOW. >After a few days he left for home, both of them disappointed. She was >thinking "if only" he was thinking "if only." >Then just outside of town... the bike broke. >With no where else to stay he headed back. >They made damn good use of the second chance and have been married for over >20 years with three kids (I think) and I expect a load of grandkids by now. > >All because a bike broke. > >True story. > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >Honda ST1100X Pan European > (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European > is now necessary {and I still like it.}) >BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 23:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g553fcI02029; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:41:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020604234146.00ef0008@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:43:25 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Motos and relationships In-Reply-To: <20020604235854.37185.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020604183534.00ee0b48@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:58 PM 6/4/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Larry Larson wrote: > > At 02:48 PM 6/4/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > >there are only so many women who can/will put in 200+ > > >twisty miles on the back seat of a 996. > > > > I take it "so many" equals zero, no? > >no... i've got one here. Wow. I doff my sombrero to her. I can't imagine *anyone*, male or female, doing that voluntarily. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 23:39:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g553dNX01925; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:39:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020604233604.00ed59f8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:41:03 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Another reason to wear a helmet: Thinning the flock! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:35 PM 6/4/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >I was riding in a group one time late at night (Dark! very Dark, out in the >country dark.) when what had to be an owl flew directly in front of the lead >bike and did a _sharp_ banking turn. The lead rider went from having >absolutely nothing in front of him to having the full wingspan of a very >large owl no more then 3 or 4 feet in front of his bike. >I damn near shit and I was about 3 bikes back. Yeah, owls are cool. I used to keep my race cars past the end of River Road in Poolesville, where the road continues as a very narrow lane. Until recently it was unpaved, and covered completely by a canopy of trees. Often when driving that stretch at night in the car with the top down or on a bike, an owl would glide silently straight overhead -- two to four feet away -- until deciding you were probably too big to eat. Unnerving at first, but thrilling every time it happened. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 00:31:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g554Vqo03024; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 00:31:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001901c20c4a$4653b780$22511840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: "Leon Begeman" Cc: , Subject: Re: Motos and relationships Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 00:34:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Leon recalls: The bike leaned left, wife leaned right, I counter-steered and leaned more left, wife leaned more right. By this time we were pretty much around the corner, but in unison, we asked "What the hell are you doing?" I'm glad I'm not the only one this has happened to. Back about two GFs ago, when I still had my Katana, I wanted to take GF on a ride. We were all gear'd up with helmets et al., and I was giving some pre-ride tips, one of which included leaning with the bike when it went into turns, not to fight the lean by leaning the other way. Well, I guess I should have told her that only really applies to turns at speed, not when turning left off the main road onto the little side alley she lived on from a dead stop. I roll on the throttle, steer left (not counter steer, this is parking lot speed stuff) and feel her hanging off the left side of the bike Mad Max Biaggi-style. I throw my left arm back to hold her on, and we both ask in stereo "What are you doing?" That was the end of *that* GF riding pillion. Howard J. Koontz "The more I learn about women, the more I like my motorcycle." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 08:29:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55CT7Q10348; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:29:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11f.119c48ff.2a2f5df0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:28:32 EDT Subject: Re: Another reason to wear a helmet: Thinning the flock! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/4/2002 11:39:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: {about seeing owls} > Unnerving at > first, but thrilling every time it happened. Looking at the underside of an owl with fully extended wings 3ft. away from your windshield at 50mph. goes _way, way_ beyond thrilling. Walking around an old (1902) theater, that adjoins a large graveyard at 1:00 in the morning, bleary eyed, alone, turn the corner and have an owl SCREAM at you. That will exercise your sphincter I can tell you. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 08:35:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55CZ2E10565; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:35:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19a.350370d.2a2f5f5f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:34:39 EDT Subject: Re: Motos and relationships To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/5/2002 12:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX writes: > I was giving some pre-ride tips, one of > which included leaning with the bike when it went into turns MSF suggests that you tell passengers to simply "look over the shoulder in the direction of the turn" In other words if you are approaching a right turn look over your right shoulder. this "guarantees" they will lean with you, and proper amount of lean. This seems to work very well, at least in my experience. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 08:53:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55CrYH11184; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:53:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motos and relationships Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:53:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2002 12:53:27.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC391050:01C20C8F] I agree. Oh so long ago when I was riding pillion - ;-) that was the best advice I got. The "leaning with me" instructions scared the shit out of me, actually. LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Motos and relationships >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:34:39 EDT > >MSF suggests that you tell passengers to simply "look over the shoulder in >the direction of the turn" In other words if you are approaching a right >turn >look over your right shoulder. this "guarantees" they will lean with you, >and >proper amount of lean. >This seems to work very well, at least in my experience. > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 08:54:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Csm411272; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:54:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: ricardo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:54:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2002 12:54:41.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[28684060:01C20C90] Yeah I do it occasionally. I'm sorry when it's 90 degrees in the shade I just can't can't bake in traffic. >From: "Ricardo Pontes" >To: "Dccycles" >Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:49:44 -0400 > > > >Yup its illegal, but that never stopped me. I do it on a daily basis. Cops >dont mind, specially in d.c. > >Ricardo > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 08:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55CoFh10941; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:50:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Motos and relationships To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:50:00 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9 |November 16, 2001) at 06/05/2002 08:50:06 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just let people know to keep their body in line with mine ... that seems to solve the problem, too. --chris PenguinBiker@XXXXXX om To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 06/05/2002 08:34 cc: AM Subject: Re: Motos and relationships In a message dated 6/5/2002 12:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX writes: > I was giving some pre-ride tips, one of > which included leaning with the bike when it went into turns MSF suggests that you tell passengers to simply "look over the shoulder in the direction of the turn" In other words if you are approaching a right turn look over your right shoulder. this "guarantees" they will lean with you, and proper amount of lean. This seems to work very well, at least in my experience. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 08:50:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55CoNu10959; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:50:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:49:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2002 12:49:15.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[66053870:01C20C8F] Yup its illegal, but that never stopped me. I do it on a daily basis. Cops dont mind, specially in d.c. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 09:02:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55D2OD11593; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:02:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005901c20c90$a34a3a90$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: Subject: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:58:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Hi All, I finally made it back to inspection yesterday. Also known as the Land Where Time Forgot! Keep in mind that with the change in hours, it's really brutal down there between 5 and 6. I arrived at about 4:30 and was the last vehicle let in, and this is counting being pulled from the back of the line. The staggered inspection dates still have not been 100% phased in, so the place is still a mess right after the first of the month, when everyone's tags expire. As for the sticker, in case you have not seen it, it is about 4"x6" and it's not clear. It has the sticky bits on the printed side as it is designed for sticking to a windsheild. Attaching it to the bike really baffled the inspection people (and I should be surprised by this?!). They ended up using clear sticky plastic and wrapping it around the forks. Annoying for this bike, but not the end of the world. I need some suggestions, though, on attaching it to my next bike. I am picking it up this weekend, and it is way too pretty to be sticking stickers on. It's a '69 BSA Firebird, in very good condition, and we'll finish restoring it, but I don't want stickers of any kind on the forks. The inspection guys said they *thought* it would be OK if I came up with some kind of plastic frame or enclosure that I could put the sticker in, then mount it off the license plate. I am mechanically inclined but design impaired--- maybe someone on the list will have some ideas? Thanks in advance! -patti PS- I don't advise removing your helmet while waiting in line at the inspection station. While enjoying being parked in the shade, two birds both pooped on my head. Then I got to ride home with the helmet on and really bake it in. ugh!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 09:27:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55DRKX12122; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:27:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020605092323.00b68ec8@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:27:04 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? In-Reply-To: <005901c20c90$a34a3a90$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:58 AM 6/5/2002 -0400, Patti Rodgers wrote: >Hi All, > >I finally made it back to inspection yesterday. Also known as the Land >Where Time Forgot! Keep in mind that with the change in hours, it's really >brutal down there between 5 and 6. I arrived at about 4:30 and was the last >vehicle let in, and this is counting being pulled from the back of the line. >The staggered inspection dates still have not been 100% phased in, so the >place is still a mess right after the first of the month, when everyone's >tags expire. > >As for the sticker, in case you have not seen it, it is about 4"x6" and it's >not clear. It has the sticky bits on the printed side as it is designed for >sticking to a windsheild. Attaching it to the bike really baffled the >inspection people (and I should be surprised by this?!). They ended up >using clear sticky plastic and wrapping it around the forks. Annoying for >this bike, but not the end of the world. > >I need some suggestions, though, on attaching it to my next bike. I am >picking it up this weekend, and it is way too pretty to be sticking stickers >on. It's a '69 BSA Firebird, in very good condition, and we'll finish >restoring it, but I don't want stickers of any kind on the forks. The >inspection guys said they *thought* it would be OK if I came up with some >kind of plastic frame or enclosure that I could put the sticker in, then >mount it off the license plate. I am mechanically inclined but design >impaired--- maybe someone on the list will have some ideas? > >Thanks in advance! Patti, For my Harley, Patriot HD in Fairfax, mounted a chrome (what else?), square sheet of metal (about 4" x 3") to my frame where the county and inspection decals are placed. *MUCH* better than sticking all that crap on a fork. So of other shops in the area may have them as well. If nothing else, you can swing by there and ask any of the parts guys at the parts counter to sell, (or give), you one. You'll see all of the bikes there with it mounted so you'll have a good idea on where/how to mount it. PS- I don't advise removing your helmet while waiting in line at the >inspection station. While enjoying being parked in the shade, two birds >both pooped on my head. Then I got to ride home with the helmet on and >really bake it in. ugh!!! ewwww! Too much information! ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 09:43:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55DhE812431; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:43:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020605134311.84515.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? To: Patti Rodgers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005901c20c90$a34a3a90$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Seems to me you could just get a small piece of clear plexiglass and apply the sticker to the back. Then drill a hole in the corner of the plexiglass and mount it somewhere on the bike. I suppose you could cut up an old visor to use for this purpose, but it would be curved (for better or worse). Chris Weaver --- Patti Rodgers wrote: > Hi All, > > I finally made it back to inspection yesterday. > Also known as the Land > Where Time Forgot! Keep in mind that with the > change in hours, it's really > brutal down there between 5 and 6. I arrived at > about 4:30 and was the last > vehicle let in, and this is counting being pulled > from the back of the line. > The staggered inspection dates still have not been > 100% phased in, so the > place is still a mess right after the first of the > month, when everyone's > tags expire. > > As for the sticker, in case you have not seen it, it > is about 4"x6" and it's > not clear. It has the sticky bits on the printed > side as it is designed for > sticking to a windsheild. Attaching it to the bike > really baffled the > inspection people (and I should be surprised by > this?!). They ended up > using clear sticky plastic and wrapping it around > the forks. Annoying for > this bike, but not the end of the world. > > I need some suggestions, though, on attaching it to > my next bike. I am > picking it up this weekend, and it is way too pretty > to be sticking stickers > on. It's a '69 BSA Firebird, in very good > condition, and we'll finish > restoring it, but I don't want stickers of any kind > on the forks. The > inspection guys said they *thought* it would be OK > if I came up with some > kind of plastic frame or enclosure that I could put > the sticker in, then > mount it off the license plate. I am mechanically > inclined but design > impaired--- maybe someone on the list will have some > ideas? > > Thanks in advance! > > -patti > > PS- I don't advise removing your helmet while > waiting in line at the > inspection station. While enjoying being parked in > the shade, two birds > both pooped on my head. Then I got to ride home > with the helmet on and > really bake it in. ugh!!! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 09:44:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55DiAj12500; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:44:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:38:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200206051338.g55DchY05435@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: When Minivans attack A grid-nut responded to the M/C anti-minivan rant from previous weeks... Motorcyclists No Saints Dear Dr. Gridlock: I am responding to the motorcycle fanatic who had nothing good to say about moms in minivans. Well, let me tell you, the experiences I've had with motorcyclists have been less than amicable. Who do these idiots think they are? They race up and down the streets, in and out of traffic without regard to anything around them! Just because they can weave in and out of traffic doesn't mean that they should. I have a child who is frequently in the car with me. I would never take a chance with him in the car. Sure, I'll bet there are some moms in their minivans who are guilty of multitasking while driving, but I see men and women without children in their cars reading the paper, eating, putting on makeup, talking on cell phones. There are idiots, and there are drivers, then there are driving idiots, no matter what vehicle they are driving. All drivers should be considerate of others. Lynne Griffin Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 09:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Dmsb12766; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:48:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005e01c20c98$26ac8d00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Patti Rodgers" , References: <005901c20c90$a34a3a90$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> Subject: Re: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:26:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It's not just MCs, what about trailers and other oddball vehicles? One solution might be to get a piece of 1/4" Plexiglas and let it hang down below the license plate and use that for the "all in one" and put the inspection somewhere else. But, now I guess we have to find a place for *two* big ass stickers that are sticky on the wrong side, correct: the inspection sticker and the "all in one"? Ugh. Chainguard mounting bolt might be another place to put the Plexiglas. Let it get all nasty and dirty. :) Usually I get waved to the front of the line. They seem to love bikes for whatever reason. Bikes are easy to inspect and quicker, so I guess it helps the inspector with his productivity rating or something. Paul in DC < To: Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? > Hi All, > > I finally made it back to inspection yesterday. Also known as the Land > Where Time Forgot! Keep in mind that with the change in hours, it's really > brutal down there between 5 and 6. I arrived at about 4:30 and was the last > vehicle let in, and this is counting being pulled from the back of the line. > The staggered inspection dates still have not been 100% phased in, so the > place is still a mess right after the first of the month, when everyone's > tags expire. > > As for the sticker, in case you have not seen it, it is about 4"x6" and it's > not clear. It has the sticky bits on the printed side as it is designed for > sticking to a windsheild. Attaching it to the bike really baffled the > inspection people (and I should be surprised by this?!). They ended up > using clear sticky plastic and wrapping it around the forks. Annoying for > this bike, but not the end of the world. > > I need some suggestions, though, on attaching it to my next bike. I am > picking it up this weekend, and it is way too pretty to be sticking stickers > on. It's a '69 BSA Firebird, in very good condition, and we'll finish > restoring it, but I don't want stickers of any kind on the forks. The > inspection guys said they *thought* it would be OK if I came up with some > kind of plastic frame or enclosure that I could put the sticker in, then > mount it off the license plate. I am mechanically inclined but design > impaired--- maybe someone on the list will have some ideas? > > Thanks in advance! > > -patti > > PS- I don't advise removing your helmet while waiting in line at the > inspection station. While enjoying being parked in the shade, two birds > both pooped on my head. Then I got to ride home with the helmet on and > really bake it in. ugh!!! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 09:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55DvCT13027; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E7FE@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:57:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I need some suggestions, though, on attaching it to my next bike. I am picking it up this weekend, and it is way too pretty to be sticking stickers on. It's a '69 BSA Firebird, in very good condition, and we'll finish restoring it, but I don't want stickers of any kind on the forks. Nice bike, congratulations. I am mechanically inclined but design impaired--- maybe someone on the list will have some ideas? Home Depot sells different sizes of clear plastic panels. I bought one that was about 6 inches by 8 inches for less than $2.00, drilled two holes in it with my Swiss army knife and hung it behind the license plate. It hung below the plate and I could mount my bumper stickers. It was working fine until the bike was stolen, but I don't think they ripped it off solely to get my Bush/Cheney sticker. :) PS- I don't advise removing your helmet while waiting in line at the inspection station. While enjoying being parked in the shade, two birds both pooped on my head. Then I got to ride home with the helmet on and really bake it in. ugh!!! Very true, especially if you put it on the ground and two blocks after you leave you see a creepy crawley thing INSIDE your face shield. :O Cedric From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 09:57:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Dvcb13053; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:57:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: When Minivans attack Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:57:13 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <200206051338.g55DchY05435@texas.pop3now.com> In-Reply-To: <200206051338.g55DchY05435@texas.pop3now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0206050957132M.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 05 June 2002 09:38, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > A grid-nut responded to the M/C anti-minivan rant from previous > weeks... > > Motorcyclists No Saints > I have a problem with the title but I don't recall the first title either. It may have said something equally general about minivan moms. > > Dear Dr. Gridlock: > > I am responding to the motorcycle fanatic who had nothing good to say > about moms in minivans. Well, let me tell you, the experiences I've > had with motorcyclists have been less than amicable. > Well, I think she was talking about a specific mom but I've been in the same situation. > Who do these idiots think they are? They race up and down the > streets, in and out of traffic without regard to anything around > them! Just because they can weave in and out of traffic doesn't mean > that they should. > _I_ agree with this. I have the same problem with bikers riding up the shoulder or between traffic. It's illegal and dangerous and just pisses people off. > I have a child who is frequently in the car with me. I would never > take a chance with him in the car. > I'll have to take her word for it. Her "never take a chance" may be my "she's slapping her kid at 75 on 95 south" or cutting off traffic or other insane behaviour... to me. > Sure, I'll bet there are some moms in their minivans who are guilty > of multitasking while driving, but I see men and women without > children in their cars reading the paper, eating, putting on makeup, > talking on cell phones. > And that's not right either (multitasking!). At least on a bike, I have _less_ chance to "multitask". > There are idiots, and there are drivers, then there are driving > idiots, no matter what vehicle they are driving. All drivers should > be considerate of others. > "There are old bikers and bold bikers but no old bold bikers" but there are old bold boomer bikers. > Lynne Griffin > > > > Dave > Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 09:59:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Dxfg13239; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B707@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'markkitchell@XXXXXX'" Subject: Horn Question Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:03:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark Kitchell konfessed, "A few years ago I installed FIAMM horns on my VFR." then kweried, "Do you think installing this relay will help?" Yup, see below Glenn Dysart & Paul Wilson hinted, Larry Larson hepped with "Well, close. What a relay does is switch on and off a horn which requires too much current for the switch to handle, as well as generally allowing you to use shorter, more direct wires for less voltage drop (which translates into lost decibels of volume) from the voltage source to the relay/horn." Here's some gummimint hep: Generic auxiliary wiring: Run a 10 - 12 AWG line from the positive side of your battery up the spine of your bike to a vacant spot where you can nest one or more relays. One for aux lights, one for tooters, one for a toaster or whatever. Close to the battery, put an inline fuse holder ( R Shack has some with 10 AWG wire for ~ $2.25). A 30 amp fuse should be good. Relays have 4 (some five) plugs: Check their wiring diagrams, but generally: 1. ground: 2. switch: (hook this to your light switch or horn switch. When current runs thru it to ground, an electromagnetic coil makes a heavy duty connection. 3. In hot: Wire from the battery goes here. (lotsa amps available, insulate well) 4. (& 5) Out hot: Hook appliances to these. Lights: Run either a pair of 12 -14 AWG wires from the relay to each light. Run a switchable hot wire (14-18 AWG) thru the light switch to the light relay (Thus, when the key is off, the aux lights are off) Horn: Run the original horn wire to the switch side of the relay. Run a 12-14 AWG wire to the horns or air pump. This set up will: (1) ease the load on your harness-that-was-not-designed-to-carry-a-110 watt load. (2) Save wear and tear on the horn switch that was not designed for mucho amps. (3) provide more current to your appliances You can ground the lights and horns to your frame - or - if you're fussy, run an auxiliary ground wire from the battery up the spine of the bike. Sometimes forks are not well grounded to the frame. Nice thing about using relays is, you can use the stock skinny horn wires -- or -- use skinny wires to ease placing the driving light switch within thumb reach. Carl in Bethesda (from the gummimint and here to hep) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 10:01:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55E1nl13434; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:01:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: When Minivans attack Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:02:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just because I can, yep that sums it up right there and I have no problem with it. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Who do these idiots think they are? They race up and down the > streets, in and out of traffic without regard to anything around > them! Just because they can weave in and out of traffic doesn't mean > that they should. > _I_ agree with this. I have the same problem with bikers riding up the shoulder or between traffic. It's illegal and dangerous and just pisses people off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 10:32:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55EWbO14155; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:32:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020605143235.77405.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Some reasons To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Remember my 2001 CBR600F4i I had for sale? I asked $6700 or best offer. Well, good news, I sold it for $7000 cash this weekend. That's reason #1. I'm getting married this Saturday, so time is short. That's reason #2. We will be spending 2 glorious weeks in Kauau, Hawaii for our honeymoon. That's reason #3. After we get back from the honeymoon we have about 3 weeks until we close on the house, so I have a feeling that I will spend all of my free time packing and cleaning. That's reason #4. Sorry to say, reasons for leaving the list for a while. I am not totally bikeless, I have a 1978 Kawasaki KZ200 that David Sward gave me (thanks again, Dave!) Yup its running, I rode it around the parking lot, although it fouls plugs on a minute basis (needs new points I think.) I know everyone is going to yell at me for selling a bike to get married, but in fact I sold it for two other reasons (Michelle loves bikes btw): 1 - to get the loan off of my credit report in case it affected the home loan application (it didn't, we got the loan anyway), and 2 - I never really liked the bike. I like bikes that have "soul." My old Hawk GT, bored out to 700cc with Wiseco pistons and Carillo rods and plenty of other goodies, that bike had soul. My Aprilia RSV Mille, Italian soul in a big way. The CBR600F4i? Very competent bike, did everything very well, but it just had no soul. It didn't stir me, so even though it was a great bike it just wasn't a great bike for me. Oh well, it was an experiment (like Michelle told me) and the experiment failed. No regrets, it was fun. So take care everyone, and expect me back in a couple of months. I'm already prepping Michelle for a new bike next Spring, I'm thinking a Triumph Daytona might be soulful enough for me. Or an Aprilia Futura. Or a KTM Duke. I guess I better wait until that first mortgage payment comes in thought :) Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 10:34:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55EYq714274; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:34:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:34:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200206051034.AA9699958@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: When Minivans attack X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Carl Schelin >> Who do these idiots think they are? They race up and down the >> streets, in and out of traffic without regard to anything around >> them! Just because they can weave in and out of traffic doesn't mean >> that they should. >> > >_I_ agree with this. I have the same problem with bikers riding up the >shoulder or between traffic. It's illegal and dangerous and just pisses >people off. Riding between traffic (filtering) is used the world over to reduce traffic congestion. Hmmmmm. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 10:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55EhNG14609; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:43:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020605144316.17954.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: RE: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E7FE@NCEAEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the inspection sticker i put on my fork; the sticker designed for a winshield i haven't bothered to put on at all; i assumed that it was a parking permit, and since bikes don't need one, that it was superfluous? Is this wrong? What is the sticker for? Anyway, I was stopped by MPD while riding the other day (unknowingly went down a one way street the wrong way -- 2 blocks from my house, no less), and they never said anything about it. (Plus, even cooler, they only gave me a warning.) --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > > I need some suggestions, though, on attaching it to > my next bike. I am > picking it up this weekend, and it is way too pretty > to be sticking stickers > on. It's a '69 BSA Firebird, in very good > condition, and we'll finish > restoring it, but I don't want stickers of any kind > on the forks. > > Nice bike, congratulations. > > I am mechanically inclined but design > impaired--- maybe someone on the list will have some > ideas? > > Home Depot sells different sizes of clear plastic > panels. I bought one that > was about 6 inches by 8 inches for less than $2.00, > drilled two holes in it > with my Swiss army knife and hung it behind the > license plate. It hung > below the plate and I could mount my bumper > stickers. It was working fine > until the bike was stolen, but I don't think they > ripped it off solely to > get my Bush/Cheney sticker. :) > > PS- I don't advise removing your helmet while > waiting in line at the > inspection station. While enjoying being parked in > the shade, two birds > both pooped on my head. Then I got to ride home > with the helmet on and > really bake it in. ugh!!! > > Very true, especially if you put it on the ground > and two blocks after you > leave you see a creepy crawley thing INSIDE your > face shield. :O > Cedric > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 10:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Em0j14797; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011401c20ca0$688bfaa0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Isaac Blanck" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020605144316.17954.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:50:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 The sticker is your registration renewal. Plate stickers are history due to theft. It needs to be displayed. Of course the bureaucrats at DMV didn't take into account the fact that not every vehicle has a windshield. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Blanck" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: RE: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? > the inspection sticker i put on my fork; the sticker > designed for a winshield i haven't bothered to put on > at all; i assumed that it was a parking permit, and > since bikes don't need one, that it was superfluous? > Is this wrong? What is the sticker for? Anyway, I > was stopped by MPD while riding the other day > (unknowingly went down a one way street the wrong way > -- 2 blocks from my house, no less), and they never > said anything about it. (Plus, even cooler, they only > gave me a warning.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 10:55:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55EtCk15024; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:55:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020605145509.36912.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Some reasons To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020605143235.77405.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry, sounds PW to me! ;-) Glenn --- stephen cutchins wrote: > Remember my 2001 CBR600F4i I had for sale? I asked > $6700 or best offer. Well, good news, I sold it for > $7000 cash this weekend. That's reason #1. > > I'm getting married this Saturday, so time is short. > > That's reason #2. > > We will be spending 2 glorious weeks in Kauau, > Hawaii > for our honeymoon. That's reason #3. > > After we get back from the honeymoon we have about 3 > weeks until we close on the house, so I have a > feeling > that I will spend all of my free time packing and > cleaning. That's reason #4. > > Sorry to say, reasons for leaving the list for a > while. I am not totally bikeless, I have a 1978 > Kawasaki KZ200 that David Sward gave me (thanks > again, > Dave!) Yup its running, I rode it around the > parking > lot, although it fouls plugs on a minute basis > (needs > new points I think.) > > I know everyone is going to yell at me for selling a > bike to get married, but in fact I sold it for two > other reasons (Michelle loves bikes btw): 1 - to get > the loan off of my credit report in case it affected > the home loan application (it didn't, we got the > loan > anyway), and 2 - I never really liked the bike. I > like bikes that have "soul." My old Hawk GT, bored > out to 700cc with Wiseco pistons and Carillo rods > and > plenty of other goodies, that bike had soul. My > Aprilia RSV Mille, Italian soul in a big way. The > CBR600F4i? Very competent bike, did everything very > well, but it just had no soul. It didn't stir me, > so > even though it was a great bike it just wasn't a > great > bike for me. Oh well, it was an experiment (like > Michelle told me) and the experiment failed. No > regrets, it was fun. > > So take care everyone, and expect me back in a > couple > of months. I'm already prepping Michelle for a new > bike next Spring, I'm thinking a Triumph Daytona > might > be soulful enough for me. Or an Aprilia Futura. Or > a > KTM Duke. I guess I better wait until that first > mortgage payment comes in thought :) > > Steve > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 11:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55F8Sl15378; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:08:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'sdave@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Police liability vs. Police jurisdiction Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:07:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And there you have it folks, the police (by law) are NOT mandated to respond 911 calls -- if so, continued bungling and the resulting lawsuits would have put police dept's and city coffers out of business/cash years ago. That said, who REALLY is responsible for your personal safety! [insert gun thread here] [Dave] Were I to actually *have* that choice, and were there a guarantee of one or the other, I'd make that bargain - personal safety instead of getting chickenshit tickets. Trouble is, courts have repeatedly held that police aren't responsible for my personal safety - or anyone's - From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 11:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55FBfv15496; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:11:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: When Minivans attack Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:11:29 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200206051034.AA9699958@mail.toward.com> In-Reply-To: <200206051034.AA9699958@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0206051111292Q.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 05 June 2002 10:34, Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Carl Schelin > > >> Who do these idiots think they are? They race up and down the > >> streets, in and out of traffic without regard to anything around > >> them! Just because they can weave in and out of traffic doesn't mean > >> that they should. > > > >_I_ agree with this. I have the same problem with bikers riding up the > >shoulder or between traffic. It's illegal and dangerous and just pisses > >people off. > > Riding between traffic (filtering) is used the world over to reduce traffic > congestion. > In this traffic with every one pissed at everyone else for any reason or none? The cops may not enforce it, the law's wrong, and neither of those help when some inbred bonehead opens his door on purpose or slides over while you're filtering. > Hmmmmm. > Significantly faster than traffic is wrong; bike or car. Go with the flow, slide out of the way, and check all of your mirrors should keep 99% of traffic happy. > Chris Norloff -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 11:27:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55FRJf15889; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:27:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Traffic Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:26:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I travel around a lot to different cities in all parts of the U.S., Alaska, Hawaii, Guam, PR and the USVI. I would rate the DC metro traffic in the top 3 or 4 worst category. Sure every city has traffic and rush hours. But the majority of rush hours are just that, rush hours. DC has a lunch rush hour, in the burbs it's the mad housewife errand hour (kicks in around 10am to 1pm) I read an article down in Daytona last week that talked about Nashville commuters becoming agitated that the average commute has risen from 24 minutes to 28 minutes. Can you imagine a 28 minute commute? Most other areas experience light rush hours with 20 minute commutes... (according to the article). DC, San Fran, LA, NYC, Chicago are the worst. Seattle is up there, Miami is too bad, New Orleans is nutty for an hour or so. What some areas refer to as traffic jams are called stop lights here. The infamous Portsmouth Va tunnel only takes 10 minutes to clear, during the height of rush hour. Yet the folks down there complain bitterly about the injustice of being stuck in traffic. Maybe some of it is employer driven, maybe companies can adapt of flex time in there work force. I left the DC area in 1976, visited a number of times and in 1994 moved back.... what a difference 2 decades make! We live in an area with insane traffic, accept it, be one with it.... even public transport is crowded. Work with your employer, if possible schedule your hours off peak (from 9 to 11am) and any time after 7pm. I ride the VRE, which allows me to catch up on reading, bills, nappy time (from late nighters), it works for me. Yeah it costs money, but I don't have to sacrifice a reliable car to the traffic, I have a junker dedicated to getting me to the train stop which has no parking fees. George M. Bruhl Project Officer, G-AND National Distress and Response Modernization Project Phone: 202.267.2020 Fax: 202.493.7002 Page: 866.259.6029 http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-a/ndrsmp/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 11:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55FkTi16320; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:46:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Traffic Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:46:10 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0206051146102T.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 05 June 2002 11:26, Bruhl, George LT wrote: > I travel around a lot to different cities in all parts of the U.S., Alaska, > Hawaii, Guam, PR and the USVI. > I went to Huntsville Al for a NASA class. Our 3am traffic is their rush hour. When I went to visit my now wife in Denver, she complained about "all the traffic" when that rush hour traffic was moving at speed with several car lengths between cars and no stopping. *snip* > Work with your employer, if possible schedule your hours off peak (from 9 > to 11am) and any time after 7pm. > I have very flexible times. I catch the first VRE both ways to DC/Woodbridge. Sometimes I have to stay late (like last night when I caught the 5:51). Sometimes I can leave early like this Friday when I'm leaving on the 1pm. > I ride the VRE, which allows me to catch up on reading, bills, nappy time > (from late nighters), it works for me. Yeah it costs money, but I don't > have to sacrifice a reliable car to the traffic, I have a junker dedicated > to getting me to the train stop which has no parking fees. > My nap time is so ingrained from 10 years of riding the VRE that if I'm staying late, I have to get up at around 4pm and walk around. > > George M. Bruhl Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 11:47:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55FlZi16409; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:47:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: When Minivans Attack Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:47:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0206051147252U.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 05 June 2002 11:31, you wrote: > > Significantly faster than traffic is wrong; bike or > > car. Go with the flow, > > slide out of the way, and check all of your mirrors > > should keep 99% of > > traffic happy. > > > > > Chris Norloff > > Yes, but who determines how fast the traffic should be > going? The speed of the cars around you. > And I am not talking about the posted speed > limit. You're right, neither am I. > There are days on the interstate that traffic > is moving 85 to 90 in the left lane. I have no problem > with that and if I want to go that fast I'll pick that > lane. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. > The problem is when you have a number of cars > doing that speed and then just one up front going much > slower. Why should they determine the speed of the > lane. They shouldn't. They should move right as I said. > Slower traffic move right or speed up. If I am > caught speeding, it is me that is responsible for > paying the ticket and insurance. The cagers are not my > keeper. If I see someone flying up behind me, I move > right. It doesn't matter if I am in a cage or on the > bike. I expect the same in return. > Steve > 01' YZF600R > Which is what I said. No arguments here. You and I both know what the flow of traffic is. We're arguing the same point. Don't fly through traffic. Move right or left as necessary. Watch your mirrors for idiots. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:05:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55G5EK16847; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:05:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CFE36B5.3060004@cox.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:05:09 -0400 From: Larry Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: When Minivans attack References: <200206051034.AA9699958@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmm, indeed. Your filtering statement implies that it it's a studied, tested, tried and true method that works to reduce congestion. My experience is that, like most driving practices worldwide, it is a local custom that adds disorder to an already bad situation. The important thing is that it's expected and doesn't piss people off where it's the custom. Maybe it helps, but the places I've seen it are such traffic disasters that I'd be hard pressed to point out any good features. US custom is generally to drive over the speed limit but obey most of the other laws. Sure, there are exceptions, but my point is that you're usually much safer and happier if you follow the driving customs wherever you are. People know what to expect and don't get mad at you and at every other vehicle that looks like yours. Which is why I agree with Carl's statement. Larry Meyer '97 Bandit 1200 Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Carl Schelin > >>>Who do these idiots think they are? They race up and down the >>>streets, in and out of traffic without regard to anything around >>>them! Just because they can weave in and out of traffic doesn't mean >>>that they should. >>> >> >>_I_ agree with this. I have the same problem with bikers riding up the >>shoulder or between traffic. It's illegal and dangerous and just pisses >>people off. > > > > Riding between traffic (filtering) is used the world over to reduce traffic congestion. > > Hmmmmm. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55GAXU17003; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:10:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B70A@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'s_burrow@XXXXXX'" , "'cschelin@XXXXXX'" , "'mrc.engr@XXXXXX'" Subject: Survival in a Metro Area Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:14:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Carl Schelin shared, "After driving in this area for the past two years (she's from Colorado), she's scared to death of the drivers, not that I blame her. . . . It's the "cage" attitude that will get you mamed (sic) or killed. Either they are jealous that your (sic) not stuck in the same ignorant stagnation as they.............or they just don't consider you at all. . . In the first month of riding back in October, I had 6 close calls with people moving over or pulling out in front of me. Fortunately I was paying close attention." Be conspicuous. Remember lane placement and invest in a set of driving lights (<$20 at Wally Mart) and good tooters (<$30 at Auto Zone or Pep Boyz). see my "Horn Question" response. If BDCs see you, they'll likely not attempt to hit you as you might scratch their paint; plus, the insurance and cops are so-ooo tiresome. If the BDCs are zoned out, a little toot will advise them of your presence; a good toot will have them reacting to avoid the semi that is bearing down on them. But, have an escape plan in case they come your way. Cecchini contributed, "Guy in a pickup decides traffic is not fast enough on the right and jerks to the left lane... as I'm going by." [Driving lights and lane placement make you very conspicuous -- see my "Horn Question"] "Lady in a green minivan with kids and a cell driving back and forth on 95 south from the right to left lanes moves to the right lane where I'm waiting to exit. I noticed that she was yelling at her kids at the same time." [Good tooters (backed with an escape plan) should focus her mind on avoiding the semi bearing down on her.] "On most occasions, I expected it to happen." [Good plan] "Oh, but the guy in the green sedan in a parking spot across from DOT pulling a U-turn directly in front of me. *smirking* "I didn't see you." If he hadn't driven off... " [Retina burners and ear-drum-bashers up close give me some degree of satisfaction when jerks do that. Lexus driver with window down turned left into me -- from the right lane -- I could see his face in the side mirror prior to his move. I followed him (necessary to avoid crashing) and gave him an earful. He jumped the curb to get away from me. Some days, there is entertainment along with survival.] Steven Burrow believes, "I recalled reading the thread here, that it is a Virginia law that if someone is going faster than you, you must pull to the right if you have the ability to do so and let them pass or you too are breaking the law." Yup. In most of the world, leaving the left lane open for passing is custom -- or -- even law. Flashing your lights to request a pass is also common. Not in MD tho where flashing your lights to request a pass is against the law. However, I've found that weaving within the lane as you approach a Left Lane Hog at least gets their attention as your headlight beam goes across their retina. On SabMag, it's called the "Kauppi Weave" Carl, not the (sic) one, in Bethesda :^) Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:12:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55GCmp17156; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:12:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020605161226.55571.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:12:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: When Minivans attack To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3CFE36B5.3060004@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have no problem with not filtering. I don't practice it at all. I am willing to wait in line, but please people, learn how to merge properly. and as Carl said, "Pick the proper lane for traffic flow." Steve 01' YZF600R > >>_I_ agree with this. I have the same problem with > bikers riding up the > >>shoulder or between traffic. It's illegal and > dangerous and just pisses > >>people off. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:20:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55GKJR17489; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:20:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: When Minivans attack (lane splitting) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:20:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As someone who commutes to DC on a motorcycle, I know it's not safe, but it does make me happier. I didn't split lanes until I had been commuting for a while and learned where I could and when I could. There are parts of my commute where I know I can't and when I do I'm not doing so blindly. I'd bet I knock 10 minutes off my commute some days. I used to commute in the burbs and I never lane split out there, it's a different world. Question for fellow lane splitters, when moving to the front of a line do you stay in between cars or pull in front of one of them? I've been pulling in front, most leave enough room, and I figure if the police did care, it might not be obvious that I was lane splitting if they passed me. From: Larry Meyer [mailto:ljmeyer@XXXXXX] US custom is generally to drive over the speed limit but obey most of the other laws. Sure, there are exceptions, but my point is that you're usually much safer and happier if you follow the driving customs wherever you are. People know what to expect and don't get mad at you and at every other vehicle that looks like yours. Which is why I agree with Carl's statement. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:40:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55GeIR17822; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:40:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:34:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200206051634.g55GYs203401@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Survival in a Metro Area Carl of formerly, Brrr-thesda grabbed the pulpit & preached... [snipped insightful commentary] ... Yup. In most of the world, leaving the left lane open for passing is custom -- or -- even law. Flashing your lights to request a pass is also common. Not in MD tho where flashing your lights to request a pass is against the law. [Dave] My understanding - a sketchy one from an old Dr. Gridlock column - was that 'flashing' high beams was not actually a crime in MD, rather, turning on you high beams and leaving them on. Several years ago, a neighbor in MD was issued a ticket for this (warning others of a speed trap). Went to court, both testified, she was acquitted. Can anyone clarify MD flashing high beams issue? However, I've found that weaving within the lane as you approach a Left Lane Hog at least gets their attention as your headlight beam goes across their retina. On SabMag, it's called the "Kauppi Weave" [Dave] I've found that 'locking' the retina burner on the central rear view provides most effectiveness. For trucks, use the driver's side mirror. HTH Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:41:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55GfhR17925; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:41:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Survival in a Metro Area Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:41:32 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B70A@DCHQCLEXHQ> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B70A@DCHQCLEXHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0206051241322Y.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 05 June 2002 12:14, Custer, Carl wrote: > Carl Schelin shared, "After driving in this area for the past two years > (she's from Colorado), she's scared to death of the drivers, not that I > blame her. . . . > > It's the "cage" attitude that will get you mamed (sic) or killed. Either > they are jealous that your (sic) not stuck in the same ignorant stagnation > as they.............or they just don't consider you at all. . . > > In the first month of riding back in October, I had 6 close calls with > people moving over or pulling out in front of me. Fortunately I was paying > close attention." > > Be conspicuous. Remember lane placement and invest in a set of > driving lights (<$20 at Wally Mart) and good tooters (<$30 at Auto Zone or > Pep Boyz). see my "Horn Question" response. The Heritage Classic looks almost like a police bike. Main light and two driving lights. I looked enough like a cop that there were times that folks slowed down when I came up on them. > If BDCs see you, they'll likely not attempt to hit you as you might scratch > their paint; plus, the insurance and cops are so-ooo tiresome. If the BDCs > are zoned out, a little toot will advise them of your presence; a good toot > will have them reacting to avoid the semi that is bearing down on them. > But, have an escape plan in case they come your way. > > Cecchini contributed, > "Guy in a pickup decides traffic is not fast enough on the right and jerks > to the left lane... as I'm going by." > > [Driving lights and lane placement make you very conspicuous -- see my > "Horn Question"] > I already have the lane placement and being conspicuous parts. > "Lady in a green minivan with kids and a cell driving back and forth on 95 > south from the right to left lanes moves to the right lane where I'm > waiting to exit. I noticed that she was yelling at her kids at the same > time." She was coming up from behind. As I said in another message, "watch your mirrors". I saw her coming and was prepared when she took my lane. She got the toot but I was watching and got out of the way. > [Good tooters (backed with an escape plan) should focus her mind on > avoiding the semi bearing down on her.] > > "On most occasions, I expected it to happen." > > [Good plan] > > "Oh, but the guy in the green sedan in a parking spot across from DOT > pulling a U-turn directly in front of me. *smirking* "I didn't see you." If > he hadn't driven off... " > > [Retina burners and ear-drum-bashers up close give me some degree of > satisfaction when jerks do that. No time then. I did a very short skid and got the kick stand down as I beeped at him. I didn't have it out of gear so I killed it as well. I got the *smirk* when I approached him, blood in my eyes. > Lexus driver with window down turned left > into me -- from the right lane -- I could see his face in the side mirror > prior to his move. I did see him in his mirror. > I followed him (necessary to avoid crashing) and gave > him an earful. He jumped the curb to get away from me. Some days, there > is entertainment along with survival.] > > Steven Burrow believes, "I recalled reading the thread here, that it is a > Virginia law that if someone is going faster than you, you must pull to the > right if you have the ability to do so and let them pass or you too are > breaking the law." > Wasn't that in a recent Dr. Gridlock? And I thought (I may be wrong) it was MD and DC where it was illegal but not in VA. Custom I agree but I don't think it's law. Someone else will correct that I'm sure. Unnecessary beeping is ticketable as well as headphones while driving and hanging crap off of your mirror. You can't be pulled over for headphones or mirror crap but if you're a butthead at a speed stop, they can give a couple of more tickets for those things. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Gljc18196; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:47:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009101c20cb0$1cb13c70$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Isaac Blanck" , References: <20020605144316.17954.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:43:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>What is the sticker for? Anyway, I was stopped by MPD while riding the other day (unknowingly went down a one way street the wrong way -- 2 blocks from my house, no less), and they never said anything about it. Chris is right, the sticker is your registration and replaces the year sticker on the tags. The cops probably have no clue where to look for them yet but I expect there will be many hassles in the near future. My hard tags have the 06/02 stickers on them, and when that's over I'm sure I'll get pulled over every now and then. -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:48:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55GmwZ18266; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:48:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009601c20cb0$49822ac0$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Isaac Blanck" , References: <20020605144316.17954.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:44:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Also with this whole sticker thing, now all your small stickers are one big sticker. There is no more little blue inspection sticker, and no more little year and month stickers for the tags, and no more separate parking permit. This is the first month they are issuing the new ones so if you don't have them yet you will sooner or later! -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Gq4F18505; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:52:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 5 Jun 2002 16:51:50 GMT Message-ID: <008c01c20cb3$25135b20$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: summit workers may be needed....awesome deal! Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:05:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I'm working for WERA this weekend at summit, and they may need help. Here's what you'd get free entry into the track $50 per day that you help out 50% off race entries if you're a racer AND you get to hang out with me all day! ;) Let me know if you're interested and I'll find out what kind of help they need. I know we need help in registration and probably scoring, may need tech and grid marshalls also. LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:56:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Gu1418621; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:56:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020605165559.511.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:55:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: DC DMV--- just where does that sticker go??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <009101c20cb0$1cb13c70$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just emailed the DMV through their web site about this problem. It will be interesting to see what their response is. Last time I complained this way about having to call the DMV each week (and wade through their long recording) to see if their moto tags had come in (I went 4 months w/ temporary car tags ...) I received an email from a supervisor saying she'd email me when they came in, which she did. That was something. Maybe if others complain via the web they'd do something? (Yes, I'm a dreamer.) Anyway, the URL is http://dmv.washingtondc.gov/main.shtm then click on "Ask the Director" on the left hand side. john (Suziki Marauder) --- Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>What is the sticker for? Anyway, I > was stopped by MPD while riding the other day > (unknowingly went down a one way street the wrong > way > -- 2 blocks from my house, no less), and they never > said anything about it. > > Chris is right, the sticker is your registration and > replaces the year > sticker on the tags. The cops probably have no clue > where to look for them > yet but I expect there will be many hassles in the > near future. My hard > tags have the 06/02 stickers on them, and when > that's over I'm sure I'll get > pulled over every now and then. > > -patti > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55GuVj18666; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:56:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Passenger Comfort Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:56:10 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 28 2002) Message-Id: <20020605165610.YMAI19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> It has become readily apparent that if I expect my wife to take any more long trips with me that I am going to have to take steps to increase the passenger comfort level. Since I drive a Yamaha V-Star (which looks pretty much exactly like a Heritage Softail) advice from Harley or other cruiser riders is especially welcome. The first thing I will need is a more comfortable seat. Since I have saddle bags and a sissy bar, I should be able to add a wider seat without ruining the lines of the bike much. Anyone have any suggestions of comfortable seats? Pictures would be appreciated. Second, I need to find a way to adjust the position of the passenger foot pegs. Anyone ever found a good solution to this problem? Third, although I doubt there is anything to be done about this is vibration. Now, the vibration is not bad, but after a few hours, my hands can get a little numb. Apparently this is pretty noticeable at the passenger foot-pegs as well. All advice is welcome. -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 12:59:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Gx5F18914; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:59:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:58:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Survival in a Metro Area In-Reply-To: <0206051241322Y.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Unnecessary beeping is ticketable as well as headphones while driving > and hanging crap off of your mirror. You can't be pulled over for > headphones or mirror crap but if you're a butthead at a speed stop, > they can give a couple of more tickets for those things. Actually, I was recently -- about a month ago -- pulled over in MD (PG County) solely because I was wearing headphones while driving my cage. Still trying to figure that one out -- ear-splitting subwoofers are okay, but headphones on low volume aren't? What does this imply about the legality of cellphone headsets? Fish. only got a written warning, thankfully From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:03:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55H3ED19101; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:03:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Passenger Comfort Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:03:02 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20020605165610.YMAI19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <20020605165610.YMAI19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0206051303022Z.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 05 June 2002 12:56, purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: > It has become readily apparent that if I expect my wife > to take any more long trips with me that I am going to > have to take steps to increase the passenger comfort > level. > > Since I drive a Yamaha V-Star (which looks pretty much > exactly like a Heritage Softail) advice from Harley or > other cruiser riders is especially welcome. > > The first thing I will need is a more comfortable seat. > Since I have saddle bags and a sissy bar, I should be > able to add a wider seat without ruining the lines of > the bike much. Anyone have any suggestions of > comfortable seats? Pictures would be appreciated. > The recent Motorcycle Cruiser (or whatever it's called now) magazine has a review of seats with ratings for passengers. I think the Mustang had the best one. If that's not enough information let me know and I'll check it out. It should still be on my desk at home. > Second, I need to find a way to adjust the position of > the passenger foot pegs. Anyone ever found a good > solution to this problem? > My wife wanted floor boards. > Third, although I doubt there is anything to be done > about this is vibration. Now, the vibration is not bad, > but after a few hours, my hands can get a little numb. > Apparently this is pretty noticeable at the passenger > foot-pegs as well. > Oddly enough I never had problem with vibration on my FLSTC even on the 2,000 mile trip. It was more of a problem with the cold (first week in March) than anything else. Well, and the Diet Coke exploding while riding due to the wind/vibration. > All advice is welcome. > Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:07:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55H7r719292; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:07:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <026f01c20cb3$d8625f00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: When Minivans attack (lane splitting) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:52:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Agreed. Done with discretion I don't have a problem with filtering, especially. At 10 mph and front brake covered it's not dangerous. Just look out for Mr. Cager who thinks a long DC stop light is a dandy opportunity to open the door and empty out his ash tray. People who complain about filtering/splitting and then blithely justify speeding because it's "accepted" seem to be saying (to paraphrase Yates) "law breaking for me, but not for thee." Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > As someone who commutes to DC on a motorcycle, I know it's not safe, but it > does make me happier. I didn't split lanes until I had been commuting for a > while and learned where I could and when I could. There are parts of my > commute where I know I can't and when I do I'm not doing so blindly. I'd > bet I knock 10 minutes off my commute some days. > I used to commute in the burbs and I never lane split out there, it's a > different world. > > Question for fellow lane splitters, when moving to the front of a line do > you stay in between cars or pull in front of one of them? I've been pulling > in front, most leave enough room, and I figure if the police did care, it > might not be obvious that I was lane splitting if they passed me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:08:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55H85Q19310; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:08:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Survival in a Metro Area Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:07:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02060513075031.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 05 June 2002 12:58, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > Unnecessary beeping is ticketable as well as headphones while driving > > and hanging crap off of your mirror. You can't be pulled over for > > headphones or mirror crap but if you're a butthead at a speed stop, > > they can give a couple of more tickets for those things. > > Actually, I was recently -- about a month ago -- pulled over in MD (PG > County) solely because I was wearing headphones while driving my cage. > Still trying to figure that one out -- ear-splitting subwoofers are okay, > but headphones on low volume aren't? What does this imply about the > legality of cellphone headsets? > Sorry, I was speaking of VA. I received a ticket some years ago that came with a flyer showing a list of things you could be ticketed for but not pulled over for. Headphones and mirror crap jumped out at me. Much like the Socal Services Pamplet on Child Abuse. Did you know that you can't have your child kneel on dried peas in a closet. Damn, one less wholesome family activity. > Fish. > only got a written warning, thankfully Congrats. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:10:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55HAO119541; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:10:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:04:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200206051704.g55H4qN18666@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: mistakes This morning I made a judgement mistake that almost got me in an accident. Morning commute takes me Duke St., to N Quaker Ln, to (left) on Seminary Road to work. All above are 2 lane each way, 35mph limit, Duke a little more heavily travelled and a few more lights. I was in the right lane of Duke approaching the right hander on to N Quaker. 2 lights ahead were green, but Quaker had just turned red. The turn is a 'yield' before the stop light, on to the uphill, 2 lane N. Quaker. Upon approach, I decided I was 'too sexy' to sit behind this dark mini chevy Blazer, on my Mondo ZX11, while they were putting along under the limit. I passed left, 2nd gear, got back right as needed for the approaching turn. During the pass I kept speed to under 40mph, and noticed a lawn truck & trailer turning left on to (the left lane of) N Quaker. Here is where I screwed up. I saw the truck take the left lane, and simply 'judged' I could continue on throttle in the right lane of N Quaker. WRONG! The lawn truck slowed to idle speed while turning, so I misjudged their speed. Instead of the lawn truck beating me to Quaker, we arrived at the same time. I tried to hold throttle off the 'mini-exit' on to the drag-ass hill that is N. Quaker. That wasn't the end of it, seeing my error, I attempted to STILL stay on the gas, but stick to the right lane... WRONG AGAIN. Lawn truck decided to come over right (instead of going 'wide' into the left lane of N. Quaker). Grab brakes, allow truck which had the right of way to proceed, accelerate with prejudice, curse out driver of said truck at the top of my lungs - while riding - complete with hand gestures, and go on my not so merry way. After assessing what happened post ride - driver of the lawn truck no doubt heard none of my 'driving tips', and probably couldn't make heads or tails of my hand gestures either. I had a yield sign, it was my responsibility to be sure the truck was clear, not his fault. EVEN WERE it his fault, I still knew better... I realized in time that I would not make it if I pushed harder, and used the brakes. I let my ability to out accelerate overrule my judgement. I got away unscathed, and feel better now that I've unloaded. Hopefully, others may be able to benefit from my close call today... Thanks for 'listening'... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:10:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55HAG719509; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:10:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:11:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Survival in a Metro Area In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > but headphones on low volume aren't? What does this imply about the > legality of cellphone headsets? one ear is ok, two ears is pretty much illegal. Solution: wear a full faced helmet and hide the earphones inside ;-) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:12:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55HCfb19798; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:12:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Survival in a Metro Area (headphones) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:12:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" They only cover one ear, not both. -----Original Message----- What does this imply about the > legality of cellphone headsets? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:28:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55HSA720283; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:28:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02a101c20cb6$abe52ea0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "'DCCycles'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B70A@DCHQCLEXHQ> <0206051241322Y.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Survival in a Metro Area Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:28:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Unnecessary beeping? I guess that rules out the horns that play the tune from Gilligan's Island. In any event a little toot is sometimes required to arrest their semi-somnambulant stupor. Watch out for the lane creepers who don't signal and give 'em a toot. They're weaving all over the road without intending to do so. A signal is usually a sign that some thought process, no matter how crude, is underway. I give every cage in my vicinity a rating on the clueless index. Cabs, commercial trucks/vans, jalopies and cages piloted with cell phone yakkers get a high rating and a steer clear. People whose "vehicle body language" looks good (i.e. they seem to be able to pilot their vehicles in a reasonably straight line and in an intelligent manner) get lower rating. Speaking of beeping, necessary and otherwise: When I took my written cager license test oh so many years ago in Ohio, the law at the time was you had to give visible _and_ audible signals of your intention to pass. Probably some law passed in 1912 when autos and horses shared the roads. So in Ohio at least it would have been illegal *not* to beep when passing. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" > > Unnecessary beeping is ticketable as well as headphones while driving and > hanging crap off of your mirror. You can't be pulled over for headphones or > mirror crap but if you're a butthead at a speed stop, they can give a couple > of more tickets for those things. > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:30:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55HUp320454; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:30:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 13:32:00 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Oil To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <006c01c20ca6$22bcacd0$0200a8c0@theunit> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I'm interested people's direct experience with synthetic oils. I have an 2001 R6 which used Yamalube until about 4,000 miles when it was jetted and the oil was switched to Motul 5100 which is Synthetic. Yamaha R6 manual recommends 10W-30 or 20W-40 but that's it. I have heard so many conflicting statements about this issue I am beginning to think it is one of the great mysteries of the universe. I had one person at a local dealer tell me that using synth oil voided my warranty. Some have said it helps the R6 transmission feel. I've had a few say it will ruin it. After watching the Yamaha GP bikes fly this weekend with Motul stickers on them I find it had to believe that Motul would be a bad choice (especially for what it costs!). What's the deal? Thanks Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:38:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55HcM420638; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:38:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Survival in a Metro Area Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:38:07 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B70A@DCHQCLEXHQ> <0206051241322Y.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <02a101c20cb6$abe52ea0$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <02a101c20cb6$abe52ea0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02060513380733.07428@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 05 June 2002 13:28, Paul Wilson wrote: > Unnecessary beeping? I guess that rules out the horns that play the tune > from Gilligan's Island. In any event a little toot is sometimes required > to arrest their semi-somnambulant stupor. Watch out for the lane creepers > who don't signal and give 'em a toot. They're weaving all over the road > without intending to do so. A signal is usually a sign that some thought > process, no matter how crude, is underway. I give every cage in my > vicinity a rating on the clueless index. Cabs, commercial trucks/vans, > jalopies and cages piloted with cell phone yakkers get a high rating and a > steer clear. People whose "vehicle body language" looks good (i.e. they > seem to be able to pilot their vehicles in a reasonably straight line and > in an intelligent manner) get lower rating. > This was in the last couple of years or so. Someone got busted for weaving in and out of traffic or tailgating on 66 or the DAR. Someone else who was in traffic beeped at the cop (maybe giving a thumbs up as well) giving out the ticket. The cop pulled the beeper over and gave him a ticket. I think it was in Dr. Gridlock but it may have been a fluff Style article. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:45:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Hj3d20936; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:45:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020605174416.11803.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: When Minivans attack (lane splitting) To: Paul Wilson , RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <026f01c20cb3$d8625f00$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't have a problem if you guys want to do the filtering thing. It's just something I don't practice. If you pulled up next to me while I was in a cage, I'd probably wave at you to move up as far as you could, while giving you room. Steve '01 YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Hnt521156; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:49:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001d01c20cb9$864b4c80$0c07a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: re: oil Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:50:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 You are delving into a thread where you may not want to go. Remember, you asked. I use Mobil-1 15w-50 in all of my bikes after about 3000 miles. I get it on sale at Wallymart for about $17 for the 5 quart jug. I still change my oil and filter every 3000 miles. Danny '02 FZ1 '02 XR 250R '98 Superhawk (for sale) www.onewayracing.org CSBA #150 ...................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan carr" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Oil > I'm interested people's direct experience with synthetic oils. I have an > 2001 R6 which used Yamalube until about 4,000 miles when it was jetted and > the oil was switched to Motul 5100 which is Synthetic. Yamaha R6 manual From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:50:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55HotS21286; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:50:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wanted: Honda Hawk GT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:48:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Does anyone know of any Honda Hawk GTs for sale? I'm in the market for a bike and would like to know what's available locally. Thanks in advance, Wellesley From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 13:57:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55HvVa21528; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:57:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013e01c20cba$5bfa35d0$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dan carr" , "DC-Cycles" References: <006c01c20ca6$22bcacd0$0200a8c0@theunit> Subject: Re: Oil Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:56:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Running AMSOIL Full Synthetic for Motorcycles in: 1999 TL1000R 1999 R1 1991 GSX-R750 1993 GSX-R750 2001 Shadow Sabre Not all mine, but I order oil for all of us. We love it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan carr" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Oil > I'm interested people's direct experience with synthetic oils. I have an > 2001 R6 which used Yamalube until about 4,000 miles when it was jetted and > the oil was switched to Motul 5100 which is Synthetic. Yamaha R6 manual > recommends 10W-30 or 20W-40 but that's it. I have heard so many conflicting > statements about this issue I am beginning to think it is one of the great > mysteries of the universe. I had one person at a local dealer tell me that > using synth oil voided my warranty. Some have said it helps the R6 > transmission feel. I've had a few say it will ruin it. After watching the > Yamaha GP bikes fly this weekend with Motul stickers on them I find it had > to believe that Motul would be a bad choice (especially for what it costs!). > What's the deal? Thanks Dan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 14:42:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Igsp22445; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:42:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020605184246.63160.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Oil To: dan carr , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <006c01c20ca6$22bcacd0$0200a8c0@theunit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- dan carr wrote: > I'm interested people's direct experience with > synthetic oils. Ok, I can provide one point of reference. I had a couple of Honda 650s. One was a CX650, the other a GL650. The engine for both bikes was close enough that they were interchangeable. I used them in a similar manner, so the use was also about the same. I used Castrol GTX oil in the CX650 until the odometer indicated 65,000 miles. (Previous owner put 8000 miles on the bike) By then it was using oil badly because of worn valve guides. When I got the GL650, I started using Mobil 1 Synthetic oil. That engine did not get worn valve guides and the engine lasted to 105,000 miles (Previous owner did the first 14,000) The transmission on the GL650 also felt better at 105,000 than the one on the CX650 did at 65,000 miles. I change oil at 3000 miles with either oil (Unless I don't get home in that time, then I change the oil after I get home) I use synthetic. I don't know if it helps, but for simply economic reasons, the regular oil is better, it's only when you factor in the cost of the labor for replacing a motor that the synthetic is better. Leon. with a 'new' $65 ($130 with shipping) Ninja 250 motor ready to put in the bike as soon as the current one is worn out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 14:50:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55Io3r22686; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:50:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Speed Trap Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:49:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check it out... there may be some value http://www.speedtrap.com/default.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 15:17:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55JHsF23453; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:17:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:17:34 EDT Subject: Re: Oil To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Started using full synthetic in my R80RT at 100,000mi. Stopped riding it when I got my ST1100. It currently has over 200,000mi. and it has NEVER been apart. I like synthetic. By the way racing is not necessarily comparable to street use, the oil is under very different loads (Mega rpm.) and no stop and go traffic. More importantly the oil will be changed after every race perhaps more often, so the additives have little time to break down, acids (the primary cause of wear in a modern engines) has little time to build up. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 19:41:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g55NfVd27866; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:41:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.200.12.23] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Keith Code Class impressions Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:40:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2002 23:40:24.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D575400:01C20CEA] Though I post a link to some pics and my impressions of Keith Code's class last week at VIR that I attented. Check it out if you are particularly bored. http://www.sanath.com/code.html Sanath _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 21:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g561O4h29452; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:24:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000201c20cf9$35298a20$bc5a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Why get a RAM mount? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:21:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Why drop boo-koo bucks on a RAM mount, wouldn't this work just as well? http://www.exploregps.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=701208 I wonder how the shakes from the FLHT will affect the GPS I'm getting? Should I find a way to strap the thing to my arm or something? I don't want it to toss its cookies or anything... Howard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 22:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g562D9o00354; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:13:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020605214021.02f42560@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 21:41:57 -0400 To: Justin Laubach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... In-Reply-To: <20020604103959.19293.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020603230717.02f46170@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It really seems to depend on the cop and the situation. I think you're more likely to get away with it in D.C. if traffic is completely stopped, and you're moving slowly between lanes. White lining in moving traffic is likely to get you a lot of the wrong kind of attention. In VA, I wouldn't try it at all if there's a chance of a cop around. At 03:39 AM 6/4/02 -0700, Justin Laubach wrote: >How much tolerance is typically granted? Do they >bother you for filtering to the front of the queue at >stoplights, etc.? > >--- Bob Meyer wrote: > > At 10:48 PM 6/3/02 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: > > > > >Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not > > quite sure yet......k > > >cleuless > > > > > > No. Period. > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 22:14:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g562EKb00400; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:14:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000b01c20cff$a4157a60$3a3e21a2@Bubaleh> From: "Janey & Kurt" To: Subject: '95 Ducati Anyone? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:12:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 A friend from work is trying to sell his 900SS, if anyone is interested. He bought it to race, had it fully race-prepped at Moto Europa in Richmond, and now needs to sell it because he's buying a house. I know nothing more than his description of the bike, which follows: '95 Ducati 900SS/CR; 944 High compression pistons; Jet kit; Carbon fiber exhaust; New Michellin tires, chain, cam belts and more; Just fully serviced; Prepared for racing but never raced; All receipts; This bike is in first class condition; 35k; bought house must sell; $5,200; 804-775-1095 days; 804-783-6017 nights/weekends (Richmond, VA). -Kurt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 22:46:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g562k9o01083; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:46:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001e01c20d04$4eae6f00$3a3e21a2@Bubaleh> From: "Janey & Kurt" To: Subject: Motos and relationships Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:45:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 My wife has gone through several distinct phases when it comes to my riding: 1. "If it's something that you've always wanted to try, then you should try it." 2. "So, the class was fun. But you're not buying a bike, right?" 3. "I'm not opposed to motorcyles per se. I'm just opposed to you riding one." 3. "Well, at least you can use it to run errands around town." 4. "Why do errands on the bike always seem to last for at least 2 hours?" 5. "Isn't riding on twisting country road dangerous?" 6. "I understand that safety equipment is necessary, but 3 different riding suits? Isn't that a bit excessive?" 7. "I worry from the minute you take off on the bike until the minute you return safely." 8. "Why is it called 'rider education' if it's being held on a track? You're not thinking about racing, right?" 9. "You're not racing. End of discussion." 10. "I don't want to be married to a quadrapalegic." 11. "I'm beginning to think that this motorcycling thing is more than just a passing phase." 12. "One bike is plenty." 13. "One bike is plenty until we get a bigger place." 14. "Your new bike is great, but it's not comfortable for passengers. Maybe it's time for a more passenger-oriented bike." 15. "Isn't there a track day coming up soon?" -Kurt ----------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:25:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Congratulations too. Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone want to share some interesting stories where their SO did not like bikes? What did you do? Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 23:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5631cg01389; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:01:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020605230023.00bbafb0@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 23:01:26 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: My eyes! My eyes! In-Reply-To: <000201c20cf9$35298a20$bc5a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed oh gawd the pain! Please mommy make the bad man take it away! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1833931633 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 23:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g563ShY01848; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:28:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020606032839.1366.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:28:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: My eyes! My eyes! To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020605230023.00bbafb0@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Who in the hell would do that to a nice bike and who does he think he'll sell it to at that price? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 23:37:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g563b6t02074; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:37:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <08bf01c20d0c$4d48cae0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Steven Burrow" , "Aki Damme" , References: <20020606032839.1366.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: My eyes! My eyes! Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:43:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >From: "Steven Burrow" > Who in the hell would do that to a nice bike and who > does he think he'll sell it to at that price? **************************************************** I think that P.T. Barnum already answered that question. Mike Cecchini From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 5 23:47:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g563lYn02274; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:47:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 23:47:26 -0400 From: Clifford Zigmond Subject: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002501c20d0c$dff46660$6401a8c0@cliffzig> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Ironic as it is, with the filtering thread going on... I got pulled over and cited on improper lane change today. Whoever said that filtering was generally tolerated in DC, think again, maybe not. I was on 15th St, between F St. and Pennsylvania Ave, and all I did was ride along the right side of the lane, between a car and a construction fence, to get to an open lane beyond the fence. As I got into the open lane, I heard the siren and saw the unmarked cruiser behind me. DC Police. Basically, he said he was tired of putting motorcyclists in body bags and ambulances, because of the very thing I was doing. I asked him why it was tolerated for all the bicycles and mopeds, and he just told me that it was illegal for them too. I hope this isn't a sign of new enforcement, so I suggest be on the lookout. Am I the first person in DC to get cited for improper lane change on a motorcycle? Oh yeah, I got a warning citation for unprotected eyes. Seems like I had my visor flipped up, while going 5 mph past the chain link fence. And it was damn hot and humid too. Cliff '93 CB750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 07:25:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56BPO809268; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:25:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 07:25:02 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: aki.damme@XXXXXX (Aki Damme), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My eyes! My eyes! Message-ID: <565C00A9.055787DF.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Oh gawd the pain" is right. What was this guy thinking? Although, the murals on the tank are pretty cool looking. Anybody else notice the dual kick stands? ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:02:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Aki Damme writes: > >oh gawd the pain! Please mommy make the bad man take it away! > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1833931633 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 07:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56BTN009434; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:29:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020606072751.0249a908@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 07:29:11 -0400 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: My eyes! My eyes! In-Reply-To: <565C00A9.055787DF.0C9D3659@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:25 AM 6/6/2002 -0400, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >"Oh gawd the pain" is right. What was this guy thinking? Although, the >murals on the tank are pretty cool looking. Anybody else notice the dual >kick stands? ;-) > >Scooter dual kick stands? Ain't nuthin', you see those PIPES? And he must not go over 20mph or that weird top would blow off. I'd think that top would act like a huge parachute too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 07:31:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56BVX709559; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:31:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 07:31:20 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cliffzig1@XXXXXX (Clifford Zigmond), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Message-ID: <6B421F22.303F3764.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think he was just being a prick. It's fine for them to turn on their lights and sirens long enough to go through an intersection to avoid sitting in traffic but, we can't move past a construction barrier to get to an open lane? Geesshhhhh.... I think I'd have to fight that one. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:48:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Clifford Zigmond writes: >Ironic as it is, with the filtering thread going on... >I got pulled over and cited on improper lane change today. M- Whoever said >that filtering was generally tolerated in DC, think again, maybe not. >I was on 15th St, between F St. and Pennsylvania Ave, and all I did was ride >along the right side of the lane, between a car and a construction fence, to >get to an open lane beyond the fence. M- As I got into the open lane, I heard >the siren and saw the unmarked cruiser behind me. M- DC Police. >Basically, he said he was tired of putting motorcyclists in body bags and >ambulances, because of the very thing I was doing. M- I asked him why it was >tolerated for all the bicycles and mopeds, and he just told me that it was >illegal for them too. >I hope this isn't a sign of new enforcement, so I suggest be on the lookout. >Am I the first person in DC to get cited for improper lane change on a >motorcycle? >Oh yeah, I got a warning citation for unprotected eyes. M- Seems like I had my >visor flipped up, while going 5 mph past the chain link fence. M- And it was >damn hot and humid too. > >Cliff >'93 CB750 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 07:50:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56BoaF10021; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:50:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 07:50:06 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: aki.damme@XXXXXX (Aki Damme), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My eyes! My eyes! Message-ID: <2E40E0D9.5F761C4F.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah, caught the little wheels on the pipes. Too funny. I don't know. The framework on that top looked pretty solid. Plus it doesn't look like it's attached on the sides and bottom. Either that or there are slits/perfs in it. Who knows? Scooter In a message dated Thu, 6 Jun 2002 M- 7:30:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Aki Damme writes: >At 07:25 AM 6/6/2002 -0400, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >>"Oh gawd the pain" is right. M- What was this guy thinking? M- Although, the >>murals on the tank are pretty cool looking. M- Anybody else notice the dual >>kick stands? M- ;-) >> >>Scooter > > >dual kick stands? M- Ain't nuthin', you see those PIPES? > >And he must not go over 20mph or that weird top would blow off. > >I'd think that top would act like a huge parachute too. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 08:02:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56C2bK10263; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:02:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 6 Jun 2002 12:02:29 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "ALEXANDER MORSE" Subject: fun route to Ocean City/Assateague Island? X-Sent-From: zetland@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 05:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: zetland@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020606050229.6724.h005.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Hi Everyone, I've been lurking here for a while and enjoying the conversations and advice. Do any of you have a suggestion for a good route to Ocean City/Assateague Island? I suppose we'll use rt. 50 from DC to the bay bridge but it would be nice to take some good back roads the rest of the way. Thanks for any help, Alex Bandito 1200 (totally nude, dude) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 08:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56C8SQ10435; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:08:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020606080750.02493e90@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 08:08:14 -0400 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: My eyes! My eyes! In-Reply-To: <2E40E0D9.5F761C4F.0C9D3659@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed looks like Herman Munster's cruiser. ;-) At 07:50 AM 6/6/2002 -0400, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Yeah, caught the little wheels on the pipes. Too funny. I don't >know. The framework on that top looked pretty solid. Plus it doesn't >look like it's attached on the sides and bottom. Either that or there are >slits/perfs in it. Who knows? > >Scooter > >In a message dated Thu, 6 Jun 2002 7:30:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Aki >Damme writes: > > >At 07:25 AM 6/6/2002 -0400, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >>"Oh gawd the pain" is right. What was this guy thinking? Although, the > >>murals on the tank are pretty cool looking. Anybody else notice the dual > >>kick stands? ;-) > >> > >>Scooter > > > > > >dual kick stands? Ain't nuthin', you see those PIPES? > > > >And he must not go over 20mph or that weird top would blow off. > > > >I'd think that top would act like a huge parachute too. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 08:20:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56CKBr10735; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:20:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 00:18:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! To: cliffzig1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <002501c20d0c$dff46660$6401a8c0@cliffzig> In-Reply-To: <002501c20d0c$dff46660$6401a8c0@cliffzig> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Don't know if this has been mentioned, but I see cops in DC doing this (splitting lanes in stopped traffic) pretty often. Both DC cops and Park Police. No lights or sirens, just don't seem to want to be stuck in traffic. Fwiw, I've been doing this in DC for years (including passing police cars on occasion) with no problems. Most cars ignore me, a few move over to give me more room, and a *very* few object to the practice either by word or deed. ---garcia "It seemed like a good idea...at the time." cliffzig1@XXXXXX writes: >Ironic as it is, with the filtering thread going on... >I got pulled over and cited on improper lane change today. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 08:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56CNdK10825; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:23:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020606083825.016ad80c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 08:38:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:31 AM 6/6/02 -0400, you wrote: >I think he was just being a prick. It's fine for them to turn on their lights and sirens long enough to go through an intersection to avoid sitting in traffic but, we can't move past a construction barrier to get to an open lane? Geesshhhhh.... I think I'd have to fight that one. > >Scooter Fight it on what grounds? :-) It is illegal, correct? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 08:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56CaPt11136; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:36:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <173.96057b1.2a30b117@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:35:35 EDT Subject: Re: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/5/2002 11:48:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cliffzig1@XXXXXX writes: > Basically, he said he was tired of putting motorcyclists in body bags and > ambulances, because of the very thing I was doing. I would be willing to bet he has put exactly 0 motorcyclest in body bags at all, much less for going 5mph. past a fence. I HATE that bullshit "I am tired of...." 99% of the time it is an obvious lie, and makes the cop look like a fool, just the cop trying to justify his/her power trip. It results in people losing faith in all cops, and that make the job that much harder for the good cops out there. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 08:51:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56CpnQ11471; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:51:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020606125146.19471.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 05:51:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020606083825.016ad80c@noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > At 07:31 AM 6/6/02 -0400, you wrote: > >I think he was just being a prick. It's fine for them > to turn on their > lights and sirens long enough to go through an > intersection to avoid > sitting in traffic but, we can't move past a construction > barrier to get to > an open lane? Geesshhhhh.... I think I'd have to fight > that one. > > > >Scooter > > Fight it on what grounds? :-) It is illegal, correct? perhaps, but i'd start with the actual charge. was there even a "lane change" involved? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 08:56:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56CufP11577; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:56:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Filtering in a unfiltering demographic Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:55:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh Gawd, the filtering lure..... please not another filtering thread! But I will say this... All over the world, is not Virginia. I'm sure it's okay to "filter" in areas where the drivers at least expect it. But filtering in an area where it's not done, and the drivers aren't accustomed to this practice, would be in my mind, foolish. >Riding between traffic (filtering) is used the world over to reduce traffic congestion. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 09:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56D3lI11901; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:03:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:58:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200206061258.g56Cw2p00349@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! > Basically, he said he was tired of putting motorcyclists in body bags and > ambulances, because of the very thing I was doing. I would be willing to bet he has put exactly 0 motorcyclest in body bags at all, much less for going 5mph. past a fence. [Dave] Translation = The last bikers I tried to ticket ran & got away, so YOU'RE paying the price. I HATE that bullshit "I am tired of...." 99% of the time it is an obvious lie, and makes the cop look like a fool, just the cop trying to justify his/her power trip. It results in people losing faith in all cops, and that make the job that much harder for the good cops out there. [Dave] Unfortunately, I think Wayne's right... OTOH, were it me, I'd be *tempted* to do a little ... fighting fire with fire... Your Honor, as I told the officer, I was suffering the effects of Heat stroke/sugar deficiency/what have you, and was in medical distress. I even got permission from the officer to medicate while he wrote me the citation, even showed the medication to him. Don't be afraid to play the race card either. After all, if it's ok for the cops to lie & get away with it, what will they lie about next time ? Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 09:34:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56DYDR12486; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:34:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have followed a police officer on a bicycle on that same stretch of road. I usually don't fit between the cars and that fence though. I hate to think of sitting in that line instead of filtering the 3 or 4 blocks to Constitution while every one else sits there. -----Original Message----- From: Clifford Zigmond [mailto:cliffzig1@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:47 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Ironic as it is, with the filtering thread going on... I got pulled over and cited on improper lane change today. Whoever said that filtering was generally tolerated in DC, think again, maybe not. I was on 15th St, between F St. and Pennsylvania Ave, and all I did was ride along the right side of the lane, between a car and a construction fence, to get to an open lane beyond the fence. As I got into the open lane, I heard the siren and saw the unmarked cruiser behind me. DC Police. Basically, he said he was tired of putting motorcyclists in body bags and ambulances, because of the very thing I was doing. I asked him why it was tolerated for all the bicycles and mopeds, and he just told me that it was illegal for them too. I hope this isn't a sign of new enforcement, so I suggest be on the lookout. Am I the first person in DC to get cited for improper lane change on a motorcycle? Oh yeah, I got a warning citation for unprotected eyes. Seems like I had my visor flipped up, while going 5 mph past the chain link fence. And it was damn hot and humid too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 09:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56Dcsd12658; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:38:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [128.148.54.172] Reply-To: simon_weiss@XXXXXX From: "Simon Weiss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: my first bike... Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 09:37:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2002 13:37:46.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[57FCE180:01C20D5F]
Ok, I'm so excited I can barely type - well, that's not entirely true, but I'm pretty psyched.  I just bought a 1991 Suzuki Bandit 400 with 12k miles.  It looks like it's in excellent shape, and it runs like a new bike.  I think this is going to make an excellent first bike - now I just have to insure it and hit up the RI DMV (that's where I am now, RI).  I took it on a plateless ride yesterday around the area just to get some more practice (I've done the MSF thing, but I still have a lot to learn).  So, I thought I'd just write this and share the ear to ear smile on my face with you all. 
I also have to get some gear so I can stop borrowing my friends.   What do people think of the Fieldsheer jackets?  I've heard a negative opinion about them because they're goatskin, but I know a number of reputable riders that wear them. 
 
Thanks.
Simon

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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 09:51:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56Dp5U12957; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:51:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ab.34cefe9.2a30c2aa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:50:34 EDT Subject: Re: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/6/2002 9:04:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Don't be afraid to play the race card either. After all, if it's ok > for the cops to lie & get away with it, what will they lie about next > time ? Do you really want them to know you were racing? Oh.. that race card, won't work for old W.A.S.P.ey me. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 10:16:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56EG4E13493; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:16:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CFF6FF2.4453E88F@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:21:38 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order References: <20020604152530.50081.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > Congratulations too. > > Funny, one theme of us engaged people is that our SO > loves motorcycles too (riding or passenger). Anyone > want to share some interesting stories where their SO > did not like bikes? What did you do? > > Mark In the beggining of my marriage, shortly before the invention of various digital items (math was done with slide rules), I didn't have a motorcycle. In `71, now married w/children, I bought a commute to NOVA bike, a dinky 90cc street bike followed by many other bikes. Milady rode on back of the peppier ones and actually rode my Yami 125 enduro around the `hood, giggling like a madwomen all the way. Around `80 we went to her 15th class reunion in NC on a Honda CL350 that I'd rebuilt from a wreck, cost me $75 plus parts and wrench time. Anyone who jests about Harley vibes has never mounted an upright twin! We went down Skyline and the Blue Ridge, camped, then veered SE to her hometown north of Charlotte NC. Ms Biker Chic had a great time bragging to her former classmates. Near the end of journey the right rear turn signal bracket gave it up - the turn signal fell into the spokes, banged around, and sailed off into the weeds, an event cued by much shrieking and that CLAW dig into my ribs. But she continued to nount up on the pillion of my Suziki GS550E, urging me to by a bigger bike. Flash forward to now. I have a bigger bike, a H-D FLHS (think Road King). She has zero desire to mount up, but she doesn't mind me taking off on extended putts like the 3 week tour last fall. I'm an MSF ridercoach, and when I come crawling thru the door with my tongue hanging out after two days on the hot range she's very supportive. But mount the pillion? No way, not anymore. Yes, I'd like to take her on ride but I won't push it. People change, and somewhere along the road of life she's lost the sporty desire. Which brings me back to relationships and those changes. I shake my head when I see couples engaged in endless talk over thier relationship and *compatibility*. Truth is, that fiery heat of romantic love lasts about 4 years. You have to work to keep those embers fanned, and enjoy the brief flames. And compatibility? Make me laugh - people change. Staying together and enjoying the stay requires comprimise and continious adjustment to the changes both of you undergo. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm coming off two MSF BRC classes in a row and she's missed my sometimes annoying presence. *wedgy* Will you stop that! Time for me to fan those embers and get a nice fire going! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 10:26:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56EQ6N13714; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:26:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <6432507883EBD51194E800508B6F213C01BB1DD0@usashexch05.corp.us.uu.net> From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Motorcycle Inspections Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:19:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can anyone recommend a place in the Ashburn/Sterling area that does motorcycle inspections? Thanks! Sally '01 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 10:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56EbvC14057; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:37:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Inspections In-Reply-To: <6432507883EBD51194E800508B6F213C01BB1DD0@usashexch05.corp.us.uu.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Wood, Sally wrote: > Can anyone recommend a place in the Ashburn/Sterling area that does > motorcycle inspections? Thanks! Well... not sure this is what you are looking for, but I found a place that does MC inspections, right next to the Herndon Police Dept (near Rhodes Cycles, I think it's OldOx, Rt 606) called Chalmers (I think). It's in the same parking lot as the 7-11 & Gas station. Anyways, there has *never* been an inspection line there because the guy fails like 85% of everything he sees because he finds things wrong with it (I had a flakey horn, sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, he didn't let me pass until I fixed it.) If you want someone who's gonna find anything wrong, without a line, that's the place to go. If you want someone to look at the bike, but not actually touch it, avoid it like the plague :) -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations/DNS Engineering cerberus@XXXXXX "Karate Bagels presents: Easter colored bagels" Irony. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 10:40:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56EeSo14140; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:40:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020606103928.02473f90@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:40:17 -0400 To: "Wood, Sally" , From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Motorcycle Inspections In-Reply-To: <6432507883EBD51194E800508B6F213C01BB1DD0@usashexch05.corp. us.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:19 AM 6/6/2002 -0400, Wood, Sally wrote: >Can anyone recommend a place in the Ashburn/Sterling area that does >motorcycle inspections? Thanks! > >Sally >'01 YZF600R I take mine to North Point Shopping Center's Mobil station. The guy that does the inspections owns a VFR and is a pretty cool guy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 10:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56EkH014389; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:46:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Inspections Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:46:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've been there, think the guys name was Mike, had a brand new ZX12, good guy. He didn't waste my time, told me he'd fail me for flush mounts. Then told me to go across the Sterling Road into a business park to Lee's. Mike still proceeded basically inspect my bike for me. I wanted an actual inspection, but of course couldn't get that with the flush mounts. Mr. Lee makes sure lights and the horn works and that's about it. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Paper [mailto:cerberus@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:38 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Motorcycle Inspections Well... not sure this is what you are looking for, but I found a place that does MC inspections, right next to the Herndon Police Dept (near Rhodes Cycles, I think it's OldOx, Rt 606) called Chalmers (I think). It's in the same parking lot as the 7-11 & Gas station. Anyways, there has *never* been an inspection line there because the guy fails like 85% of everything he sees because he finds things wrong with it (I had a flakey horn, sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, he didn't let me pass until I fixed it.) If you want someone who's gonna find anything wrong, without a line, that's the place to go. If you want someone to look at the bike, but not actually touch it, avoid it like the plague :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 10:58:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56EwRW14665; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:58:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020606105736.00f2ea48@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 11:00:10 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" , Mark Kitchell From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3CFF6FF2.4453E88F@patriot.net> References: <20020604152530.50081.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed (OT Old Fart Follow-Up Warning...) At 10:21 AM 6/6/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >....(math was done with slide rules), A Keuffel and Esser Log-Log Duplex Decitrig, by any chance? 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 11:11:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56FBQU14950; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:11:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <45CB5720CC54D311A2A70004ACE5255C022EBB7F@EXCHANGE> From: "Copeland, James" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Harpers Ferry and this weekend Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:02:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not sure who sent out the post about a ride to Harpers Ferry, but I'm interested in going. Keep me posted with the details and I'll be there. Also, the weather is supposed to be awesome this weekend. Anyone up for a short and relaxed ride? Please note- I'm on digest mode and get most e-mails the next day. Jim '00 VFR '99 Duc 748 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 11:53:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56Frf915733; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:53:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dewey Beach Parking Pass Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:54:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was thinking of taking the bike down to Dewey at the end of the month. Most of the hotels down there only give one parking spot per room. The town sells parking passes for $20 a weekend, which I remember hanging from the rear view mirror of a car. Do people know if hotels are cool with putting a bike and a car in one spot? Does the town have a parking pass for motorcycles? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 12:06:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56G6go16084; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:06:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 12:05:24 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: wayne@XXXXXX (Wayne Edelen), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Message-ID: <27D2BFE8.54CD8FB2.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lane splitting is but, was he actually lane splitting since he was moving between a car and a construction fence that was taking up part of a normally available lane? To me, that's just the same as cars riding up in the blocked lane and then squeezing into your lane to get around the obstruction. I see it all the time. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 6 Jun 2002 M- 8:26:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Wayne Edelen writes: >At 07:31 AM 6/6/02 -0400, you wrote: >>I think he was just being a prick. M- It's fine for them to turn on their >lights and sirens long enough to go through an intersection to avoid >sitting in traffic but, we can't move past a construction barrier to get to >an open lane? M- Geesshhhhh.... M- I think I'd have to fight that one. >> >>Scooter > >Fight it on what grounds? M- :-) M- It is illegal, correct? > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 15:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56JdU419681; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:39:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <4957DDB96FE2D411A5C10008C7A4A12602B8309C@dfsmttayz083.hq.af.mil> From: "Ayers, Nelson, TSgt, AFPCA/COMS" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'neayers@XXXXXX'" Subject: Warped Front Brake Rotor on 96 VFR. Repair or Replace? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:31:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings, I'm a list "lurker" for well over a year now (lurk on the Wisconsin VFR list too), wish I could interact more often, but I'm simply too busy. A couple of days ago, at 0-dark-30, after working a typical 14-hr day, I attempted to drive off with my front disk lock still on my front left rotor. Have never-ever done this before! I was reminded quickly that it was still there! Luckily I didn't drop it. Rotor is warped, but I managed to drive home at about 20MPH, not worried about damage to shoes cuz I have a new pair of OEM shoes at home. New OEM rotor is $462 each! New EBC is $175 by mail order or $200 local store. Do I absolutely have to replace both front rotors (given I'll put 4 new shoes on anyway)?? Or, like the archives show on the VFR list, can I spend $60 at a speed or moto tire shop and have the rotor straightened back-up using WHATEVER method?? Need to get this fixed so I can attend Honda Hoot in a couple of weeks, for my 5th year! LOVE the free demo rides there, usually get in between 9-11 bikes!! Advice please?? Recommended shop to do the repair? I use Crossroads Cycles for anything that I can't do myself, but try to do everything myself. E-mail direct to: nelson.ayers@XXXXXX and neayers@XXXXXX Thank You! Nelson "Neil" Ayers Air Force Pentagon Communications Agency, Motorcycle Safety Officer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 15:47:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56Jl6o19924; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:47:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:46:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Online National Driver's License Database From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1E57DC06-7986-11D6-AE3E-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) You can search the database and bring up almost anyone's driver license, picture and all! http://www.license.shorturl.com/ Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 15:56:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56JubA20147; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:56:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00af01c20d94$9bd5dbc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Ayers, Nelson, TSgt, AFPCA/COMS" , "dc-cycles list" Cc: References: <4957DDB96FE2D411A5C10008C7A4A12602B8309C@dfsmttayz083.hq.af.mil> Subject: Re: Warped Front Brake Rotor on 96 VFR. Repair or Replace? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:59:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Provided it's not too far gone, a warped rotor can be repaired in the same way it got bent, by bending it back. Most shops should be able to do this by measuring the run out with a dial and correcting it with a little "persuasion." A lot cheaper than a new rotor, I should think, especially if you pull it off the bike yourself. Geez, yet another rider in the area on 94-97 VFR. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ayers, Nelson, TSgt, AFPCA/COMS" > Greetings, > I'm a list "lurker" for well over a year now (lurk on the Wisconsin VFR list > too), wish I could interact more often, but I'm simply too busy. > A couple of days ago, at 0-dark-30, after working a typical 14-hr day, I > attempted to drive off with my front disk lock still on my front left rotor. > Have never-ever done this before! > I was reminded quickly that it was still there! Luckily I didn't drop it. > Rotor is warped,.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 16:03:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56K35a20362; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:03:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 15:02:05 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Online National Driver's License Database Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g56K34020350 I should have known better..... >>> Sean Jordan 06/06/02 03:46PM >>> You can search the database and bring up almost anyone's driver license, picture and all! http://www.license.shorturl.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 16:55:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56Ktpd21363; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:55:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 16:55:26 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, eternity23@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Online National Driver's License Database Message-ID: <01A686A1.790F6277.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I kinda figured it was gonna be something like that. Especially when I kept seeing slygreetings.com in the loading site box. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 6 Jun 2002 4:04:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: > > > I should have known better..... > > > >>> Sean Jordan 06/06/02 03:46PM >>> > You can search the database and bring up almost anyone's > driver license, > picture and all! > > http://www.license.shorturl.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 17:05:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56L5rA21640; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:05:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020606210403.86011.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Seibold Subject: Re: Dewey Beach Parking Pass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was down there for a week last year and the hotel I was staying at let bikes park in front of cars (as long as the car didn't stick out, that was the hard part) But also you could park you bike at the end of the lot (where the cars didn't fit). But they didn't charge anymore for it. -Erik --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > I was thinking of taking the bike down to Dewey at > the end of the month. > Most of the hotels down there only give one parking > spot per room. The town > sells parking passes for $20 a weekend, which I > remember hanging from the > rear view mirror of a car. > Do people know if hotels are cool with putting a > bike and a car in one spot? > Does the town have a parking pass for motorcycles? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 19:09:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56N9it24178; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:09:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3CFFED03.B563F6D2@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:15:15 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motos and relationships, was a few congrats are in order References: <20020604152530.50081.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020606105736.00f2ea48@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > (OT Old Fart Follow-Up Warning...) > > At 10:21 AM 6/6/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > >....(math was done with slide rules), > > A Keuffel and Esser Log-Log Duplex Decitrig, by any chance? 8;) > > -- Larry No K&E for me. I dearly lusted over them - works of art - but budget issues left me slip-sticking a cheap but virtually indestructable plastic thing. I still have it somewhere. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 19:19:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g56NJu724481; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:19:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:19:52 -0400 Message-ID: <410ABB31C0562D4B9F317F76D8D6EC1F49F6EB@truman.dc.Blackboard.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Thread-Index: AcINsKkmQs1ZzB3QQFKkotAAMT6bUA== From: "Maura Keaney" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2002 23:19:52.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[A950DF90:01C20DB0] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g56NJt024469 Cliff, That's REALLY surprising to hear, especially when you weren't riding between two lanes of cars. Seems to me that someone on the list had posted information on how sharing a lane (say with a parked car) is not illegal in DC as opposed to being explicitly prohibited in MD/VA, and it seems like this would apply here, especially if that construction fence did not actually take up all of the right lane. I filter in DC every day I commute to work from Falls Church and haven't had a problem yet, knock wood. I only filter in VA on VERY rare occasions, like when I'm making a right turn and can easily fit to the right of cars who are stopped at a red light going straight. But only after looking out for cops. In DC, I still do a quick visual sweep for light bars atop cars before I filter, but I don't pay nearly as much attention to possible cops - focus mainly on possible dangers ahead. My luck so far and the word of other dc-cycles folks has made me reasonably comfortable about filtering in DC. Would you mind telling us how much the ticket was for, for curiosity's sake? Do you intend to contest it? I hope so. And I hope this was a one-time aberration and not the start of some horrible trend downtown!!! :-) Maura -----Original Message----- From: Clifford Zigmond [mailto:cliffzig1@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:47 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Ironic as it is, with the filtering thread going on... I got pulled over and cited on improper lane change today. Whoever said that filtering was generally tolerated in DC, think again, maybe not. I was on 15th St, between F St. and Pennsylvania Ave, and all I did was ride along the right side of the lane, between a car and a construction fence, to get to an open lane beyond the fence. As I got into the open lane, I heard the siren and saw the unmarked cruiser behind me. DC Police. Basically, he said he was tired of putting motorcyclists in body bags and ambulances, because of the very thing I was doing. I asked him why it was tolerated for all the bicycles and mopeds, and he just told me that it was illegal for them too. I hope this isn't a sign of new enforcement, so I suggest be on the lookout. Am I the first person in DC to get cited for improper lane change on a motorcycle? Oh yeah, I got a warning citation for unprotected eyes. Seems like I had my visor flipped up, while going 5 mph past the chain link fence. And it was damn hot and humid too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 22:11:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g572BZg26974; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:11:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:10:04 -0400 From: Clifford Zigmond Subject: Re: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! To: Maura Keaney , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001d01c20dc8$70830450$6401a8c0@cliffzig> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <410ABB31C0562D4B9F317F76D8D6EC1F49F6EB@truman.dc.Blackboard.com> The ticket was for $50, plus 1 point. The money is not the problem, it's the point that bothers me. I don't think I did something so dangerous to get that point. I think I will contest it. cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maura Keaney" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: RE: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! > > Would you mind telling us how much the ticket was for, for curiosity's sake? Do you intend to contest it? I hope so. And I hope this was a one-time aberration and not the start of some horrible trend downtown!!! > > :-) Maura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 6 23:10:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g573ALU27913; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:10:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <4957DDB96FE2D411A5C10008C7A4A12602B830A8@dfsmttayz083.hq.af.mil> From: "Ayers, Nelson, TSgt, AFPCA/COMS" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'neayers@XXXXXX'" Subject: Police Authority/Filtering, Warped Roters, Honda Hoot Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:10:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Had to chime in on this one: I have been riding in DC area for over 5 years now and trust me, they DO stop you...for ANYTHING! Have "conversed" with practically EVERY possible law enforcement agency with initials, for one reason or another...and have NEVER received a ticket (cross fingers!). DC metro, US Capital Police, Defense Protective Service, US Secret Service (in unmarked white minivan!), Arlington/Fairfax county, VA State, Park Police, etc.etc. I don't consider what I do on my bike extremely dangerous or stupid, but do move to the front of a long line at a long red light or occasionally utilize an empty turn lane for my own personal gain! I'm guilty of changing lanes quickly and utilizing small gaps to progress through the cages, but I always signal and never actually split lanes between moving traffic like they do in CA. I learned how to ride in CA and was stationed in Santa Barbara County for 4 years. Damn good riding! Thanks to Paul and Matt for replying about my warped front left brake rotor on my 96 VFR (forgot to remove disc lock for first time ever!). I'm off work Fri-Sun, so will remove the wheel, try to straighten the rotor using mic or dial gauge, then put my new OEM shoes on if I get it straight. If not, I'll buy only the left side, EBC, and replace that, with the new OEM shoes. That should get me going. Looking forward to the HOOT for 5th year! If anyone else is going already, as a group or single, feel free to drop me a line. Neil, 96VFR750 and 87VFR700F2 (Tariff Special, LOVE this white beauty!). In digest mode, so plz cc to hotmail if replying, thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 00:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g574T3e29163; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:29:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Clifford Zigmond Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 00:41:08 -0400 Message-ID: References: <002501c20d0c$dff46660$6401a8c0@cliffzig> In-Reply-To: <002501c20d0c$dff46660$6401a8c0@cliffzig> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g574T2029147 He's tired of putting people in body bags for 5 mph lane splitting? I would file some type of complaint against him for being unprofessional and lying to you! NOt only is he a prick, but he's also a liar... I say complain to his supervisor about the kind of attitude he presented and represented the force in such a negative manner. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 00:49:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g574nxW29509; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:49:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: "Maura Keaney" Cc: , Subject: Re: RE: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 01:02:08 -0400 Message-ID: <7ie0guo315j9o3gdoh4msjrb7td3qqo0mu@4ax.com> References: <410ABB31C0562D4B9F317F76D8D6EC1F49F6EB@truman.dc.Blackboard.com> In-Reply-To: <410ABB31C0562D4B9F317F76D8D6EC1F49F6EB@truman.dc.Blackboard.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g574nw029497 Oh that reminds me.. one sunday morning around 10 or 11 am (a couple of months ago) I lane split past a marked unit... (didn't see him until ti was too late). he threw on his lights and sirens, but he was't exactly behind me to have been pulling me over.. so.. I just kept lane splitting from light to light, and he just kinda faded away... BUt generally, they dont care.. i lane split, come up to them, and if i see them, i pull into a lane a few cars behind them. It's pretty much OK as long as i'm not passing them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 00:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g574piN29642; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:51:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: simon_weiss@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my first bike... Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 01:03:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1kf0gusa91nakpm1o0gckddigabmu3mj2v@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g574ph029630 Congratualtions on the bike! I love fieldsheer. They seem tried and true reliable if you ask me. I hope my next suit is a fieldsheer. I'd steer clear of joe rocket though. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 07:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57Bph406225; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:51:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020607080620.03a43448@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 08:06:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Joe Rocket Gear (was my first bike...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:03 AM 6/7/02 -0400, Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: >Congratualtions on the bike! I love fieldsheer. They seem tried and >true reliable if you ask me. I hope my next suit is a fieldsheer. I'd >steer clear of joe rocket though. > >Danny I'm curious why you say that about the JR gear. I have 2 JR leather jackets and 2 JR leather pants, so I'm interested in what you have to say :-) They seem to be good quality, thick leather, nice armor and padding for a good price. I only have one friend who's gone down in a JR leather jacket and it saved his skin. Do you know of someone who has gone down in JR leathers and been injured due to poor quality? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 08:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57CDrI06585; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:13:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020607121345.67605.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 05:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! To: Danny MotorPsychoL , Maura Keaney Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cliffzig1@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7ie0guo315j9o3gdoh4msjrb7td3qqo0mu@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii uh, did i really just hear that? --- Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > Oh that reminds me.. one sunday morning around 10 or 11 > am (a couple > of months ago) I lane split past a marked unit... (didn't > see him > until ti was too late). he threw on his lights and > sirens, but he > was't exactly behind me to have been pulling me over.. > so.. I just > kept lane splitting from light to light, and he just > kinda faded > away... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 10:43:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57EhRl09023; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:43:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: So, anyone going to Track Day Monday? Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:44:30 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c20e31$d5831840$1b06030a@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Last check. Anyone going to Track Day Monday at Summit Point? Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 10:57:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57EvKm09419; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:57:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767A9AB4@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Why get a RAM mount? Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:06:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would go with the other bracket they offer that is a better cradle and has a positive retention system. There is a clip on top that holds the unit in, and the power connection screws through the back of the bracket, into the GPS. It doesn't go anywhere. This is the bracket I use, I just took the handle bar clamp off and bolted on a plug that fits into the steering stem hole on the VFR. Of course, if you have handlebars, it's plug and play. Description taken from www.bluelight.com where it's $29.99: Magellan Handlebar Bracket For The Meridian Series GPS Units (Kmart)Item no: 764672 This Magellan Handlebar Bracket for the Meridian Series GPS units provides easy mounting to a bicycle handlebar for a clear view while riding. For use with the Magellan GPS models 310, 315, 320, and Map 330. (Magellan)Model number: 701242 Mounts to a bicycle handlebar For use with the Magellan GPS models 310, 315, 320, and Map 330 HTH, Mike '96 VFR =rom: "Howard J. Koontz" =To: =Subject: Why get a RAM mount? =Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:21:39 -0400 = =Hey, = Why drop boo-koo bucks on a RAM mount, wouldn't this work just as well? = =http://www.exploregps.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=701208 = = I wonder how the shakes from the FLHT will affect the GPS I'm getting? =Should I find a way to strap the thing to my arm or something? I don't want =it to toss its cookies or anything... = =Howard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 11:04:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57F4hO09575; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'sally.wood@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: M/C Inspections Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:03:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Correct me if I'm wrong (often enough not to let it bother me), but I thought ALL VA inspection sites did ALL VA inspection duties, like auto's/trucks/motorcycles. I usually take mine to the Manassas Honda dealer, mid week, no hassle, don't own a Honda. They're quick and everyone is friendly, plus I get to ramble around the store and look and stock and accessories. Which is something I rarely do. gb 78 BMW R/80 140k plus a bunch of other marques in various sizes (all horse traded or wrecked) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 11:22:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57FMm609956; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:22:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020607111930.00b6aac8@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 11:22:35 -0400 To: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'sally.wood@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: M/C Inspections In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed that's true to a *point*, however my experience is before sitting in line, go and ask them because even though they are authorized to inspect bikes, they sometimes don't go through the trouble of getting any stickers. Don't ask me how I know this. The one issue I have with going to a dealer to get my bike inspected is that I have had some of them try and fail me for something that's not even part of the checklist (e.g. steering head bearings for example). And guess what? They *just* happen to have a "special" going on that week that saves me 10% off labor! What a coincidence! And how odd that my bearings were just replaced less than 6 months earlier! At 11:03 AM 6/7/2002 -0400, Bruhl, George LT wrote: >Correct me if I'm wrong (often enough not to let it bother me), but I >thought ALL VA inspection sites did ALL VA inspection duties, like >auto's/trucks/motorcycles. > >I usually take mine to the Manassas Honda dealer, mid week, no hassle, don't >own a Honda. They're quick and everyone is friendly, plus I get to ramble >around the store and look and stock and accessories. Which is something I >rarely do. > >gb >78 BMW R/80 140k >plus a bunch of other marques in various sizes (all horse traded or wrecked) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 11:25:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57FPgJ10031; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:25:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-pair-Authenticated: 209.124.21.254 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: "'Bruhl, George LT'" , , Subject: RE: M/C Inspections Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:23:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c20e37$67468460$3345080a@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I don't know the definitive answer, but I do know from experience that many inspection sites around me do NOT do motorcycles. I'm not sure why, but I rode around for an hour or two and hit maybe 3-4 places. Not one of them did motorcycles. Quite frustrating. Wes Hsu > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruhl, George LT [mailto:GBruhl@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:04 AM > To: 'sally.wood@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: M/C Inspections > > Correct me if I'm wrong (often enough not to let it bother > me), but I thought ALL VA inspection sites did ALL VA > inspection duties, like auto's/trucks/motorcycles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 11:27:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57FRJQ10168; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:27:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: M/C Inspections Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:27:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't ever take the cage to the dealer for that "free" inspection. You know they'll find something. -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:aki.damme@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:23 AM To: Bruhl, George LT; 'sally.wood@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: M/C Inspections that's true to a *point*, however my experience is before sitting in line, go and ask them because even though they are authorized to inspect bikes, they sometimes don't go through the trouble of getting any stickers. Don't ask me how I know this. The one issue I have with going to a dealer to get my bike inspected is that I have had some of them try and fail me for something that's not even part of the checklist (e.g. steering head bearings for example). And guess what? They *just* happen to have a "special" going on that week that saves me 10% off labor! What a coincidence! And how odd that my bearings were just replaced less than 6 months earlier! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 11:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57Fn8310639; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:49:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:50:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: M/C Inspections In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My tactic is usually to get the vehicle serviced and then, as I'm picking it up say "oh, by the way, can you do the inspection quick??" That way, they have less incentive to find something wrong. If they do you can always start with "Oh, so you missed that when you went over it before?" And, plug my preered NoVA inspection place -- Crossroads cycle! Good people good service. On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:27:40 -0400 > From: RichH@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: M/C Inspections > > Don't ever take the cage to the dealer for that "free" inspection. You know > they'll find something. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aki Damme [mailto:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:23 AM > To: Bruhl, George LT; 'sally.wood@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: M/C Inspections > > that's true to a *point*, however my experience is before sitting in line, > go and ask them because even though they are authorized to inspect > bikes, they sometimes don't go through the trouble of getting any stickers. > > Don't ask me how I know this. > > The one issue I have with going to a dealer to get my bike inspected is that > I have had some of them try and fail me for something that's not even part > of > the checklist (e.g. steering head bearings for example). And guess what? > They *just* happen to have a "special" going on that week that saves me 10% > off labor! What a coincidence! And how odd that my bearings were just > replaced > less than 6 months earlier! > > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 12:02:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57G2G710957; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:02:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020607160204.22646.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Euan Fisk" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 11:02:04 -0500 Subject: gas tank painting X-Originating-Ip: 209.190.248.71 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Anyone know of a shop in the area that will paint a gas tank? Love the bike [thanks George Cole & Hugh Caldwell], but my skin crawls every time a friend refers to my 'red bike'. Found a reference to a place next to Riders Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church, but I'm not sure if they're still around. Just looking for somewhere affordable that will do a decent job [no paint in the filler neck, etc..] Any info appreciated, thanks, -Euan euan@XXXXXX 750 Zephyr -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 12:28:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57GSFO11432; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:28:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020607122434.0250ec40@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 12:28:01 -0400 To: "Euan Fisk" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: gas tank painting In-Reply-To: <20020607160204.22646.qmail@mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I had my 85 Magna and my 87 Shadow painted at the shop you're referring to. The body shop is located across the street from the old Riders shop (now a martial arts dojo I believe). The paint shop is located all the down at the end of the same side of the street as Riders used to be. IIRC, it cost me about $100 for the tank, (I only needed the tank repainted), and about two weeks. Did a *really* nice job. Had a Harley he did a custom job done sitting out in front. Really pretty multi-color paint job. He wanted me to buy the OEM paint at Coleman so that it would match up with the fender, which it did. If you aren't picky about it being OEM paint, which is crap anyway IMHO, I'm sure he can supply be paint. -aki At 11:02 AM 6/7/2002 -0500, Euan Fisk wrote: >Anyone know of a shop in the area that >will paint a gas tank? Love the bike >[thanks George Cole & Hugh Caldwell], but >my skin crawls every time a friend refers >to my 'red bike'. Found a reference to a >place next to Riders Accessory Warehouse >in Falls Church, but I'm not sure if they're >still around. Just looking for somewhere >affordable that will do a decent job [no >paint in the filler neck, etc..] Any info >appreciated, thanks, >-Euan > euan@XXXXXX > 750 Zephyr >-- >_______________________________________________ >Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com >http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 12:32:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57GWWw11597; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:32:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [172.135.225.190] Reply-To: simon_weiss@XXXXXX From: "Simon Weiss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: a learning experience -duh Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 12:32:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2002 16:32:24.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7A34D10:01C20E40]
So, I bought a bandit 400 threedays ago.  I just got it registered and insured etc. yesterday, and I rode it for 2 hours at night during which the heavens opened up and it started raining - a truly undesireably experience.  On top of that I was following my friend in a car, and lost hime - but had very little idea where we were actually headed.  I must say I've learned my lesson, and now I'll be able to appreciate good weather, well planned, sunny-day riding that much more.   I don't plan on taking a ride quite like that again for a while.  I was scared shitless riding on the highway in such conditions...  I can't wait for a nice sunny day, when I'm far away from big traffic and can go on an enjoyable, sunny ride.
 
from a intensly and quickly educated, new rider.
Simon

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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 12:51:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57GpZ411969; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:51:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <6432507883EBD51194E800508B6F213C01BB1DEC@usashexch05.corp.us.uu.net> From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'Wesleyan Hsu'" , "'Bruhl, George LT'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: M/C Inspections Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:44:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" George, It's my understanding that, in Virginia, if a service station inspects cars they are required to inspect motorcycles. But, like Wes, I have visited various stations in the area that (for whatever reason) do not, or will not, inspect M/Cs. I believe the "We don't have any stickers at the moment" excuse is quite popular. Thanks to everyone who provided me with local leads! Sally -----Original Message----- From: Wesleyan Hsu [mailto:wes@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:24 AM To: 'Bruhl, George LT'; sally.wood@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: M/C Inspections I don't know the definitive answer, but I do know from experience that many inspection sites around me do NOT do motorcycles. I'm not sure why, but I rode around for an hour or two and hit maybe 3-4 places. Not one of them did motorcycles. Quite frustrating. Wes Hsu > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruhl, George LT [mailto:GBruhl@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:04 AM > To: 'sally.wood@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: M/C Inspections > > Correct me if I'm wrong (often enough not to let it bother > me), but I thought ALL VA inspection sites did ALL VA > inspection duties, like auto's/trucks/motorcycles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 13:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57H0Gi12203; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:00:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020607125755.00b70e30@localhost> X-Sender: aki.damme/postoffice.worldnet.att.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 13:00:02 -0400 To: "Wood, Sally" , "'Wesleyan Hsu'" , "'Bruhl, George LT'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: M/C Inspections In-Reply-To: <6432507883EBD51194E800508B6F213C01BB1DEC@usashexch05.corp. us.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:44 PM 6/7/2002 -0400, Wood, Sally wrote: >George, > >It's my understanding that, in Virginia, if a service station inspects cars >they are required to inspect motorcycles. But, like Wes, I have visited >various stations in the area that (for whatever reason) do not, or will not, >inspect M/Cs. I believe the "We don't have any stickers at the moment" >excuse is quite popular. > >Thanks to everyone who provided me with local leads! > >Sally I heard from a fairly reliable source that the reason some of them don't do motorcycles is that they (a) don't know what to inspect and (b) don't want to hassle with keeping inventory of the bike stickers that they may only use half a dozen a year on. I'm guessing they have to keep separate books on bikes/cars and it's too much hassle so they just say they ran out of motorcycle stickers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 13:20:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57HKPJ12620; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:20:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020607172019.90076.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:20:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh man, that sucks. I did something similar when I bought my first bike, a 25 year old Honda. The only riding I'd done to that point was in the parking lot at the MSF school, and I had to take this bike on 95 to 395 to get it home. Had a friend driving behind me, but was still plenty nervous (I'd never been out of 3d gear!). Can only imagine what it would've been like had the sky opened up ... --- Simon Weiss wrote:
So, I bought a bandit 400 threedays ago.  I just got it registered and insured etc. yesterday, and I rode it for 2 hours at night during which the heavens opened up and it started raining - a truly undesireably experience.  On top of that I was following my friend in a car, and lost hime - but had very little idea where we were actually headed.  I must say I've learned my lesson, and now I'll be able to appreciate good weather, well planned, sunny-day riding that much more.   I don't plan on taking a ride quite like that again for a while.  I was scared shitless riding on the highway in such conditions...  I can't wait for a nice sunny day, when I'm far away from big traffic and can go on an enjoyable, sunny ride.
 
from a intensly and quickly educated, new rider.
Simon

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__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 13:28:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57HSwj12787; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:28:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020607172851.25025.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:28:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: I heard from the DC DMV about the stickers! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020607172019.90076.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, it's been less than 48 hours, and someone from the DC DMV called me back and left a vmail! Her name was Mrs. Stanley, and she said that the winshield stickers are not meant for motorcycles, and that I was given it by mistake, and that motorcycles are still supposed to use the small registration stickers to be put on the tags. She was very helpful, and said I could call (202) 727-1160 and leave my tag #, and that she'd send me the correct sticker. This # is not the normal dmv # that has a tape recording that drones on for ages, I got a vmail which said I could leave a brief message and someone would return my call w/i 48 hours. Alternatively, she told me that I could send me her tag through the dmv's web site, but I choose to call. So far so good. john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 13:37:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57HbCF13031; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:37:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: M/C Inspections VA Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 17:36:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2002 17:36:06.0027 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD57A5B0:01C20E49] Don't know if all stations do bikes, but I've never come across one that won't. My neighborhood Mobil simple puts N/A on the list of inspected items that don't apply to M/Cs and puts a regular size sticker on my front fork. Takes him about 10 minutes. He checks blinkers, lights, tire tread, looks at the front brake pads, tells me to push the bike and use the brakes to stop it. Its pretty simple inspection, probably the most important part is the tread check. The station is at the Gambril Road intersection with the Fairfax County Parkway, near Rolling Road. Go in the middle of the month, its busy at the end and beginning of each > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 13:48:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57HmbC13333; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:48:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020607174834.41754.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:48:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: M/C Inspections VA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All inspection stations should do the bike inspection. You would think that it would be easy for them. They don't have to pull anything off the car and the bike doesn't have to go on the lift. Doug I agree with all that you said. My station checked my rear pads too. Thank god for that. He looked at my back brakes, told me to take the bike home and replace my rear pads before I ate into my disc. He was absolutely correct. I had about ten miles left on them. He still passed me too. I also had to start and rev the bike up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 14:17:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57IHVV13945; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:17:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Joe Rocket Gear (was my first bike...) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:29:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3.0.32.20020607080620.03a43448@noid.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020607080620.03a43448@noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g57IHP013933 I had some gloves that tore during a fall.. the stitching. I had a friend who went down at highspeed, and the arm stitching came undone and he got road rash on his arm. Have you pavement tested any of your JR gear? On Fri, 07 Jun 2002 08:06:22 -0400, you wrote: |>At 01:03 AM 6/7/02 -0400, Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: |>>Congratualtions on the bike! I love fieldsheer. They seem tried and |>>true reliable if you ask me. I hope my next suit is a fieldsheer. I'd |>>steer clear of joe rocket though. |>> |>>Danny |> |>I'm curious why you say that about the JR gear. I have 2 JR leather |>jackets and 2 JR leather pants, so I'm interested in what you have to say |>:-) They seem to be good quality, thick leather, nice armor and padding |>for a good price. |> |>I only have one friend who's gone down in a JR leather jacket and it saved |>his skin. Do you know of someone who has gone down in JR leathers and been |>injured due to poor quality? |> |>-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 14:18:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57IIHa13996; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:18:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:30:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <7ie0guo315j9o3gdoh4msjrb7td3qqo0mu@4ax.com> <20020607121345.67605.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020607121345.67605.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g57IIG013984 No |>uh, did i really just hear that? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 14:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57IJox14061; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:19:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Aki Damme Cc: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'sally.wood@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Re: M/C Inspections Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:32:06 -0400 Message-ID: <70v1gu8ib6koahgoh2e4uj5qrpkbu96v1c@4ax.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020607111930.00b6aac8@localhost> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020607111930.00b6aac8@localhost> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g57IJo014049 |>The one issue I have with going to a dealer to get my bike inspected is that |>I have had some of them try and fail me for something that's not even part of |>the checklist (e.g. steering head bearings for example). And guess what? |>They *just* happen to have a "special" going on that week that saves me 10% |>off labor! What a coincidence! And how odd that my bearings were just |>replaced |>less than 6 months earlier! So name that dealer.. sounds like some coleman power rape From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 14:20:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57IKoq14175; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:20:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200206071820.OAA30271@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jcohen@XXXXXX Subject: Deal on Leather Suits Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:20:47 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Am I imagining things, or did someone post a few weeks ago about being able to get a decent deal on leather suits? I can't remember which brand of suits were listed, maybe Kushitani? I've been trolling MLE and NewEnough for a used 1-piece suit, but I haven't found anything yet. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. -Kurt --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 15:37:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57JbZp15548; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:37:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020607193733.12551.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:37:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Re: M/C Inspections To: Danny MotorPsychoL , Aki Damme Cc: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'sally.wood@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: <70v1gu8ib6koahgoh2e4uj5qrpkbu96v1c@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of Coleman (in Falls Church), which is where I bought my bike in April, both the salesman who sold me the bike and the service manager are now gone. Is this just a coincidence or is a purge going on? john --- Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > |>The one issue I have with going to a dealer to get > my bike inspected is that > |>I have had some of them try and fail me for > something that's not even part of > |>the checklist (e.g. steering head bearings for > example). And guess what? > |>They *just* happen to have a "special" going on > that week that saves me 10% > |>off labor! What a coincidence! And how odd that > my bearings were just > |>replaced > |>less than 6 months earlier! > > So name that dealer.. sounds like some coleman power > rape > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 15:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57JgBm15721; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:42:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: M/C Inspections (colemans) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:42:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" They are "under new management" but their turn over is high. -----Original Message----- From: Isaac Blanck [mailto:thelostshark@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:38 PM To: Danny MotorPsychoL; Aki Damme Cc: Bruhl, George LT; 'sally.wood@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Re: M/C Inspections Speaking of Coleman (in Falls Church), which is where I bought my bike in April, both the salesman who sold me the bike and the service manager are now gone. Is this just a coincidence or is a purge going on? john From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 16:11:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57KBZe16208; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:11:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020607161021.00ac6110@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ltrainpsu@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:11:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Subject: Re: Deal on Leather Suits In-Reply-To: <200206071820.OAA30271@boo-mda02.boo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed www.dainese.be has the best prices and service you'll ever find. I bought my dainese "K" suit for $800, at www.kneedraggers.com, its $1300. Frans, the owner, also helped me with sizing. I told him my measurements, and he picked out the suit that would fit me, and he was dead on! Larry At 05:20 PM 06/07/2002 +0000, you wrote: > Am I imagining things, or did someone post a few weeks ago about being > able >to get a decent deal on leather suits? I can't remember which brand of suits >were listed, maybe Kushitani? I've been trolling MLE and NewEnough for a >used >1-piece suit, but I haven't found anything yet. Any help would be much >appreciated. Thanks. > > >-Kurt > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. >http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 16:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57KaYt16728; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:36:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020607203632.17154.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Paging Euan Fiske To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Euan email me please..... ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 16:45:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57KjjM16954; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:45:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:39:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200206072039.g57KdeQ20110@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh Simon lamented - So, I bought a bandit 400 threedays ago. I just got it registered and insured etc. yesterday, and I rode it for 2 hours at night during which the heavens opened up and it started raining - a truly undesireably experience. [Dave] Why? On top of that I was following my friend in a car, and lost hime - but had very little idea where we were actually headed. [Dave] This I can understand a newbie being troubled by... But rain ??? RAIN ?! I must say I've learned my lesson, and now I'll be able to appreciate good weather, well planned, sunny-day riding that much more. I don't plan on taking a ride quite like that again for a while. I was scared shitless riding on the highway in such conditions... [Dave] My coworkers sometimes lament to me 'it's going to rain' or 'aren't you worried you're going to get wet' ? I respond with the same canned line I've used for years - "God hasn't created a rainstorm yet that will deter me from riding"... Rain requires that you not be ham fisted, and be smooth on all your inputs. Once you've done it a couple of times, it's really not so bad [not that I go out looking for a rain event]. I do ride differently in the wet, but I've also learned to USE what I've learned riding in the rain to ride more smoothly in general & improve my riding all around. I can't wait for a nice sunny day, when I'm far away from big traffic and can go on an enjoyable, sunny ride [Dave] Repeat after me "God hasn't created a rainstorm yet that will deter me from riding." ;-) Don't be afraid of rain. Brain dead cagers that are afraid of rain make rainy day traffic around here a living Hell. Rain is a riding challenge to be met. Be smooth, do what MSF taught you. ... sure has been quiet today... [stirs pot] Yesterday, I rode home in the 'rain' (if you can call it that), and tested my traction. I used my rear brake at every opportunity and I didn't crash, wipe out, lawn mow, impersonate lawn darts, high side, low side, the sky didn't fall and Janet Reno didn't get any prettier. [/stirs pot] Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 16:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57KsUU17186; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:54:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: a learning experience -duh Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:54:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I bought a pair of Heavy Duty Cleaning Gloves (dishwashing gloves) from Safeway for $1.89 plus tax earlier this week. I have a rain suit, but my gloves would always get soaked. I think I deserve some credit for it not raining during rush hour this week. -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:40 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh Simon lamented - So, I bought a bandit 400 threedays ago. I just got it registered and insured etc. yesterday, and I rode it for 2 hours at night during which the heavens opened up and it started raining - a truly undesireably experience. [Dave] Why? On top of that I was following my friend in a car, and lost hime - but had very little idea where we were actually headed. [Dave] This I can understand a newbie being troubled by... But rain ??? RAIN ?! I must say I've learned my lesson, and now I'll be able to appreciate good weather, well planned, sunny-day riding that much more. I don't plan on taking a ride quite like that again for a while. I was scared shitless riding on the highway in such conditions... [Dave] My coworkers sometimes lament to me 'it's going to rain' or 'aren't you worried you're going to get wet' ? I respond with the same canned line I've used for years - "God hasn't created a rainstorm yet that will deter me from riding"... Rain requires that you not be ham fisted, and be smooth on all your inputs. Once you've done it a couple of times, it's really not so bad [not that I go out looking for a rain event]. I do ride differently in the wet, but I've also learned to USE what I've learned riding in the rain to ride more smoothly in general & improve my riding all around. I can't wait for a nice sunny day, when I'm far away from big traffic and can go on an enjoyable, sunny ride [Dave] Repeat after me "God hasn't created a rainstorm yet that will deter me from riding." ;-) Don't be afraid of rain. Brain dead cagers that are afraid of rain make rainy day traffic around here a living Hell. Rain is a riding challenge to be met. Be smooth, do what MSF taught you. ... sure has been quiet today... [stirs pot] Yesterday, I rode home in the 'rain' (if you can call it that), and tested my traction. I used my rear brake at every opportunity and I didn't crash, wipe out, lawn mow, impersonate lawn darts, high side, low side, the sky didn't fall and Janet Reno didn't get any prettier. [/stirs pot] Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 17:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g57Ludw18272; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:56:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767A9AC9@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FYI on the DC registration Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:05:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This doesn't affect us Virginians, but you DC'ers probably aught to look out. The metermaids don't know about the new HUGE registration stickers, and they ticket from their ignorance. This AM when I parked at the Old Ebbit spot, I noticed the full dresser next to me and the fact that he was lucky to have such a huge windshield to affix that new registration sticker that was there. Well I just went out, and he had a $100 Expired Tags ticket. "Huh?", I said to myself. I walked around behind his bike, and the tags still had the old (expired) little stickers on the plate. You'll NEED to remove the old stickers when you get the new big one. Unbelievable. Well, not really for DC. Typical. :-/ Mike '96 VFR VA tags From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 20:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g580feA21137; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 20:41:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.112.121] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 20:40:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2002 00:40:32.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[18D69330:01C20E85] Rain is a great way to wash all the bugs off your suit! ;) Just take it easy. Everything smooth. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 7 23:36:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g583aNG23860; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 23:36:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020607232526.028091b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:25:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Giant Squid sighting!!! In-Reply-To: <20020607172851.25025.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020607172019.90076.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Check it out: http://home.attbi.com/~bp/images/giantsquid.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 8 00:39:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g584dP524763; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:39:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020608043919.19590.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 21:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I prefer the sun, but who's afraid of a little water. Get out there and ride. I mean that is why rain gear is made. Steve '01 YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 8 08:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g58CQMC04368; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 08:26:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020608084054.04219a9c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 08:40:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Joe Rocket Gear (was my first bike...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:29 PM 6/7/02 -0400, Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: >I had some gloves that tore during a fall.. the stitching. >I had a friend who went down at highspeed, and the arm stitching >came undone and he got road rash on his arm. I have heard of a Phoenix crash where the zipper tore open (I think it was posted here?). What jacket was your friend wearing? >Have you pavement tested any of your JR gear? No, that's the reason for my questions :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 8 12:50:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g58GodG08202; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:50:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Joe Rocket Gear (was my first bike...) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 13:02:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3.0.32.20020608084054.04219a9c@noid.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020608084054.04219a9c@noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g58GoX008186 A friend of mine just went down in a joe rocket phoenix with the leather on the arms.. it was low speed, and of course the jacket shredded too easily as expected. (even on the arm). FWIW I just purchased an AGV 1.5 mm thick goatskin leather perforated jacket off ebay for $115 shipped using the buy it now feature. I expect it to hold up a lot better than any mesh bullcrap. But we'll see. I hope it's not the same as the leather on the arms of the new model phoenix. On Sat, 08 Jun 2002 08:40:56 -0400, you wrote: |>At 02:29 PM 6/7/02 -0400, Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: |>>I had some gloves that tore during a fall.. the stitching. |>>I had a friend who went down at highspeed, and the arm stitching |>>came undone and he got road rash on his arm. |> |>I have heard of a Phoenix crash where the zipper tore open (I think it was |>posted here?). What jacket was your friend wearing? |> |>>Have you pavement tested any of your JR gear? |> |>No, that's the reason for my questions :-) |> |>-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 8 12:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g58GphR08268; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:51:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Isaac Blanck Cc: Aki Damme , "Bruhl, George LT" , "'sally.wood@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Re: Re: M/C Inspections Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 13:04:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <70v1gu8ib6koahgoh2e4uj5qrpkbu96v1c@4ax.com> <20020607193733.12551.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020607193733.12551.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g58Gpg008256 I suspect people don't like working in shady businesses. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 8 14:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g58I1Di09354; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:01:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020608135624.00b6ca00@localhost> X-Sender: adamme1/pop.east.cox.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:01:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Hein Gericke Jacket FS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If anyone is looking for a really good deal on a size 40 (black) Hein Gericke (California II) jacket in *excellent* condition, please ping me off line. Paid $300 for it but will let it go for much MUCH less than that. Have worn it about 5 times and because of uh...something being wrong with my closet, it's...uh..shrunk..yeah, that's the ticket, just like the rest of my clothes in that particular closet. ;-) If you're not familiar with the Ca II, it's a spring/summer/fall jacket with a removable liner. Very comfortable but not something you'd want to wear when the outside temps are lower than about 40F. Located in Herndon. You can call me too at 703 626 7008. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 8 16:58:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g58KweW11821; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:58:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020608171224.044407d4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 17:12:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Re: Joe Rocket Gear (was my first bike...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:02 PM 6/8/02 -0400, you wrote: >A friend of mine just went down in a joe rocket phoenix with the >leather on the arms.. it was low speed, and of course the jacket >shredded too easily as expected. (even on the arm). > >FWIW I just purchased an AGV 1.5 mm thick goatskin leather perforated >jacket off ebay for $115 shipped using the buy it now feature. I >expect it to hold up a lot better than any mesh bullcrap. But we'll >see. I hope it's not the same as the leather on the arms of the new >model phoenix. Yes, that's why I went with leather jacket and pants. I tried on the mesh stuff, but it just doesn't seem to be any better than wearing a long sleeve shirt or light jacket. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 8 20:21:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g590Lbm15189; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:21:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 20:20:55 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: s_burrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh Message-ID: <6301E5DB.09737D60.1056E6D9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rain gear? What is ths rain gear you speak of? Scooter In a message dated Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:40:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, s_burrow@XXXXXX writes: > > > I prefer the sun, but who's afraid of a little water. > Get out there and ride. I mean that is why rain gear > is made. > > Steve > '01 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 8 20:37:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g590bTP15529; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:37:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01bb01c20f4e$b7c8c890$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: test 3 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:43:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 test33333333333333333333333333 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 8 21:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g591BMf16058; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:11:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01fc01c20f53$74176e30$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <6301E5DB.09737D60.1056E6D9@aol.com> Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:17:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I'm waterproof :)))))))))))) MC **************************** >From: > Rain gear? What is ths rain gear you speak of? ************************************************ >s_burrow@XXXXXX writes: > > I prefer the sun, but who's afraid of a little water. > > Get out there and ride. I mean that is why rain gear > > is made. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 8 21:11:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g591BUu16068; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:11:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01fb01c20f53$737d2a00$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: test 4 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:17:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 test 4444444444444444444444 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 02:10:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g596Af820770; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 02:10:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020609020812.02dc7a58@localhost> X-Sender: adamme1/pop.east.cox.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 02:10:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: FS: PanOptx glasses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed FS: New, used twice, PanOptx glasses. Model: Viper Lens color: Primate Frame: Black Comes with case and neckband and original box. Asking $100. email if interested. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 11:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g59FiuK29061; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:44:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004001c20fca$3b3b7d00$bf672c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: My first SaddleSore 1K Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:27:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 SaddleSore to Central Kentucky. Subtitled "a helluva long way to go to have lunch at a Cracker Barrel." :) My friend Tom and I completed our first SaddleSore ride yesterday. Me on the VFR; he on a '02 BMW R1150R. We put our heads together and planned the route over the last couple of weeks. I looked for routes that avoided major cities, yet were served by Interstate highways. A plus was avoiding toll roads and states with low speed limits. Things like going west in the morning and east in the evening to keep the sun out of your eyes are things to think about too. Anyway, the route we chose was DC to Winchester, KY (just east of Lexington), which turned out to be 520 miles by the mapping software. It would put us through WV with its generous 70-mph speed limit and on lightly traveled interstates, principally I-68 in Western Md. and 1-79 in WV. The scenery's nice too for a day of droning along the slab. Overall, a great trip, although the groin is a little numb this morning. The VFR performed flawlessly, although there was a little problem with the ScottOiler I mounted last week. I noticed at the last stop the oil reservoir had run out and as we hit DC last night, the bike seemed to run like crap at low speeds. Turns out on closer inspection this morning that the vacuum fitting had come loose, so the bike was running with a vacuum leak and way lean on #1 cylinder. Stock seat and stock butt works for me I guess. I have a throttle lock and throttle rocker. Tom doesn't have a throttle lock and his right hand is hurting this morning. I think a Throttlemeister has his name on it. We were starting to get a little "punchy" as the sun went down and we had the added task of watching for wildlife in the dark. Tom and I had noticed the number of road kill Bambis. Riding from gas stop to gas stop with your feet up will take a toll on your knees. As we came back into DC (my feet hadn't been down for close to 200 miles) I felt like my legs had fallen off. Slide back and forth on the seat to vary your position and alternate between the balls of your feet and your heels on the pegs. Tom could put his feet on his valve covers. :) Those boxers come with built-in highway pegs. The CamelBak and Tylenol hits added a lot of comfort too. Here are the numbers Departure: 6:17 AM Arrival 11:31 PM GPS shows a slightly longer trip time of 17:23, which included short rides to get our time-stamped ATM receipts. Total miles by GPS 1,041 1,074 by the bike odometer, so bike odometer is 3% optimistic. 59.9 mph average speed including stops. We took about an hour at the Cracker Barrel in Mt. Sterling, KY. 70.0 mph average on the move 93.3 top speed. We dialed in between 75 and 80 most of the way. A little higher when boredom set in. :) VFR got 39 mpg (by GPS) The keys to doing these things in a timely manner is simply to keep moving, and not necessarily at blistering top speeds. I find maintaining higher speeds and the stress of always looking for Johnny Law can be very tiring. Neither of us has a radar detector. We limited our gas stops to 10-15 minutes. Having a GPS and mapping software (a printout of your route with mileages and running times) helps a lot in maintaining your pace and checking yourself. I had set the highway running speed at 70 in the mapping software, so we kept pace with that. I had planned 16 hours riding time and with our hour for lunch, that turned out to be about right. One thing we might do in the future is to get an earlier start next time. Both of us are "morning people." I would be nice to get some serious miles under our belts between 5 and 8 AM. Our route planning seemed to pay off. There was very little traffic the whole way. There was one incident of weirdness on I-70 near Hagerstown, Md. I'm on the lead doing about 80 when I see this pickup veer off the road and kick up a huge cloud of dust. And then I see this wheel and tire darting across the road, into my lane. On the binders quickly to let the wheel pass in front of me. Definitely one of the weirder things I've seen on the highway. I guess the guy in the truck neglected his lug nuts! Tom saw it too, so I was not having hallucinations. Speaking of which, the whole exercise (like most of motorcycling) is mental rather than physical. The GPS makes a nice toy to play with and helps keep your mind sharp. I find when you're in the "zone" the miles just melt away. I tend to do simple calculations in my head involving times and distances. I figure when I become so addled that I can't do simple arithmetic, it's time to get off the bike! Paul in DC 95 VFR < Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g59Ftim29294; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:55:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: My first SaddleSore 1K Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:55:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004001c20fca$3b3b7d00$bf672c42@D7XFG711> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Congratulation on your accomplishment and welcome to the Looney Bin. I started my Saddlesore at 1am and got the added bonus of being dive-bombed by bats in NC at 5am. Always an adventure... LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Paul Wilson said: SaddleSore to Central Kentucky. Subtitled "a helluva long way to go to have lunch at a Cracker Barrel." :) major snippage -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 12:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g59G8A029583; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:08:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Yesterday's ride Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Anyone who didn't get to ride yesterday missed a golden opportunity. The weather was perfect. Irv and I decided to make a run out to the Southern Kitchen in New Market for the peanut soup (which he loves). We went by 29-55-647-??-211. Somewhere on 647. a black bear crossed the road in front of me. A smallish bear - no larger than a large dog, but a bear nonetheless. A bear that might still be accompanied by a mama bear - who I was happy to NOT see. We stopped for gas at a Mobil station to meet up with a local MG club. 12-15 old drop tops (and a few GT coupes) all driven by happy old farts. Something to look forward to, I guess. 211 was, as always, a joy to ride, with an added benefit of scraping the pegs on my beemer for the first time. Ah the sound of expensive German metal grinding away on asphalt. Something I have aspired to for quite a while. A calming sense of accomplishment has descended over me. After lunch, we decided to come through Elizabeth Furnace and I can never remember the name of the road, but it was magical again. On a road heavily lined with trees that overhung the road, we flushed out a wild turkey that was desperately trying to 'out-fly' us. He was really pumping but finally slowed and landed on the side of the road and scurried into the bushes. We made a run up through Mount Weather and came back on Snickerville Pike. As we approached civilization again, I was amazed at what a good day we had, how many bikes we saw, and how few LEOs were in evidence. A GREAT day. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 18:11:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g59MBkr04872; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:11:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004801c21002$9539d710$151585ce@COMPAQ> From: "Ivan S. Keefer" To: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Summit Point race 8 accident? Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:11:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Anyone know the fate of the rider medi-vaced? He crashed on the last lap of race 8. I was on the grandstands at the carousel and couldn't see anything. Hope he's ok. "I'd rather be riding my motorcycle thinking about God than sitting in church thinking about my motorcycle..." Anon. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ivan S. Keefer Bunker Hill, WV (motorcycles, Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., *sigh*) mailto:ikeefer@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (RIP) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L blue/blue (GBNF) 1974 Suzuki TC100 (Dream Machine) 1967 CB65 (My First) AMA # 487634: http://www.ama-cycle.org/ HRCA: http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/ridersclub/index.html Teamsters: http://www.teamster.org/ Work: http://www.usfreightways.com/contents/redstar/rsel.html Home: http://home.earthlink.net/~ikeefer/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 19:37:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g59NbPg06492; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:37:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.65.63.200] From: "Razz Man" To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: PanOptx glasses Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 19:36:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2002 23:36:18.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[7446AA90:01C2100E] Not to burst your bubble, but they can be bought brand new for $110.00 Razz > >FS: New, used twice, PanOptx glasses. > >Model: Viper >Lens color: Primate >Frame: Black > >Comes with case and neckband and original box. > >Asking $100. > >email if interested. > >cheers, >-aki > Check out the "Conflicted Interest" web site! www.conflictedinterest.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 20:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5A08VW06986; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:08:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c21012$befcf5e0$d8442c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:07:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: "Maura Keaney" Cc: , Subject: Re: RE: Filtering is tolerated in DC...NOT! Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 01:02:08 -0400 Oh that reminds me.. one sunday morning around 10 or 11 am (a couple of months ago) I lane split past a marked unit... (didn't see him until ti was too late). he threw on his lights and sirens, but he was't exactly behind me to have been pulling me over.. so.. I just kept lane splitting from light to light, and he just kinda faded away... BUt generally, they dont care.. i lane split, come up to them, and if i see them, i pull into a lane a few cars behind them. It's pretty much OK as long as i'm not passing them. ------------------------------------------------------------- When I used to work in DC (ten years ago for about 7) I took the 12th street tunnel off of 395. I always split the lanes through there as it always gets backed way up during rush hour. One morning I'm just toodling along and realize I'm about to pass a marked DC leo. I stop on his right rear bumper about 50 yards from the light at Constitution. I see him seeing me in his rearview. Should I stay still and hope for the best or just go for it? Well, the decision to just go for it was originally based on the fact that I was being safe and he wasn't reacting to me on his bumper. As soon as I passed him though the lights and siren came on. I was laughing in my helmet watching the pathetic attempt of other BDCs trying to move out of his way. LOL! By the time I got to the light it was green and I just hustled to my buildings garage. A big f-u to DC's finest. Todd (Springfield....come and get me!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 20:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5A0Fa507202; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:15:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001101c21013$bf546f40$d8442c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Was learning exp Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:14:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 [stirs pot] Yesterday, I rode home in the 'rain' (if you can call it that), and tested my traction. I used my rear brake at every opportunity and I didn't crash, wipe out, lawn mow, impersonate lawn darts, high side, low side, the sky didn't fall and Janet Reno didn't get any prettier. [/stirs pot] Dave ------------------------------------------------------- Dude! You're INSANE! Rear brakes.....IN THE RAIN! Ride away from me pal. Your dangerous! T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 20:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5A0VOm07506; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:31:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'AA DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Was learning exp Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:58:44 -0400 Message-ID: <005901c21011$989b53c0$1a82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001101c21013$bf546f40$d8442c42@c9rnf01> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Todd P sounds the alarm - ------------------------------------------------------- Dude! You're INSANE! Rear brakes.....IN THE RAIN! Ride away from me pal. Your dangerous! [Dave] Just for that, I'm altering my ride route to include Springfield ! :-0 Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 20:33:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5A0X0a07597; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:33:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D03F516.771D8647@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 20:38:47 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: "Drive much" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today I took the pickemup for a spin up to Home Depot. Too many planned purchases to cart on a bike. So I spend my bucks and head out, sort of swinging wide to line up at the exit to Braddock Rd. Billy Bob in his pickup turns in as I'm swinging for the exit. He has room to go by but I'm thinking my presence caught him by surprise, so he glares at me and sez "Drive much." Idjit asshole I'm thinking and then... and THEN !!! Billy Bob, who had the clutch in to slow for the turn, lets it out. *lurcha pinga pinga kalurcha - caff caff* The engine stalls!!! Oh, yeah, I am sooo tempted to yell DRIVE MUCH! But I let it slide, and continue home, giggling all the way... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 21:26:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5A1Q6K08427; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:26:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [142.167.74.33] Reply-To: simon_weiss@XXXXXX From: "Simon Weiss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: first long ride Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 21:24:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2002 01:24:59.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2E29710:01C2101D]
Ok,  a couple days ago, you heard about my first ride, which was a relatively frightening adventure through darkness, rain and lost ways.  Yestery was my second ride, and it consisted of going south from Belmont, MA to Brockton, MA for a stop at Brockton Cycles.  I had just bought a 2001 fieldsheer jacket for an awesome price, and I decided I needed some pants before my long ride up to Maine.  I found a nice fitting, (matching to my jacket), pair of pants for 200$ complete with pertty decent armor.  After donning the new leathers (I was now complete with my hiking boots, borrowed leather gloves, HJC, and new Fieldsheer jacket and pants) I left for a 5-6 hour ride.  To make a long story short, I endured an intensely long and tiring ride - at one point, i got a charlie horse in my left leg while stretching it.  The bandit has a relatively aggressive seeting, high pegs, but riser bars.  My back was aching, I often sat up out of my 80mph tuck to stretch, twist, and do anything to crack my back.  Also, I noticed that I developed some nice neck kinks.  I think, however, that I will eventually become used to that tucked up, high speed fetal position.  Now i just gotta find the local twisty roads of maine.
 
-Simon

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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 21:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5A1w3F09045; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:58:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 21:55:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Was learning exp To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <001101c21013$bf546f40$d8442c42@c9rnf01> In-Reply-To: <001101c21013$bf546f40$d8442c42@c9rnf01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When traction's uncertain (rain, sand, etc.), I prefer to learn about it at the rear rather than the front of my bike. --garcia toddbpeer@XXXXXX writes: >Yesterday, I rode home in the 'rain' (if you can call it that), and >tested my traction. I used my rear brake at every opportunity and I >didn't crash, wipe out, lawn mow, impersonate lawn darts, high side, >low side, the sky didn't fall and Janet Reno didn't get any >prettier. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 22:03:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5A23mc09222; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:03:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020609220103.03199b30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:02:52 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Was learning exp In-Reply-To: <001101c21013$bf546f40$d8442c42@c9rnf01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >------------------------------------------------------- >Dude! You're INSANE! Rear brakes.....IN THE RAIN! Ride away from me pal. >Your dangerous! If i were going to worry about any brake in the rain it would be the front, not the rear. Especially if braking while leaning. But I suggest you watch the Tuesday night bike races on SpeedTV. Sooner or later you'll catch one in the rain, and it will give you an idea just how much brake and lean modern tires can handle in the wet. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 22:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5A2iu109879; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:44:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <04cc01c21029$b3050770$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: , "garcia oliver" Cc: References: <001101c21013$bf546f40$d8442c42@c9rnf01> Subject: Re: Was learning exp Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:49:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >From: "garcia oliver" > When traction's uncertain (rain, sand, etc.), I prefer to learn about it > at the rear rather than the front of my bike. *********************************** With out a doubt. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 22:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5A2uOW10118; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:56:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020609224855.0241e720@localhost> X-Sender: adamme1/pop.east.cox.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:56:22 -0400 To: "Razz Man" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: FS: PanOptx glasses In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:36 PM 6/9/2002 -0400, Razz Man wrote: >Not to burst your bubble, but they can be bought brand new for $110.00 > >Razz then $100 would be less. And there's no tax and/or shipping to pay. However, as I mentioned, it's just an asking price. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 9 23:29:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5A3Tx510688; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:29:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.65.63.200] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: PanOptx glasses Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 23:29:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2002 03:29:47.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[11ED58F0:01C2102F] You are absolutely correct, a $7.50 (shipping) savings would also be realized. How do you rate the Primate lens? I'm thinking about the "Silver Rider" lens in the Venturi model. Did you have a chance to use them at night? If so, how would you rate them? Also, how would you rate their eye comfort (wind wise)? Razz >> >At 07:36 PM 6/9/2002 -0400, Razz Man wrote: >>Not to burst your bubble, but they can be bought brand new for $110.00 >> >>Razz > > >then $100 would be less. And there's no tax and/or shipping to >pay. > >However, as I mentioned, it's just an asking price. > > Check out the "Conflicted Interest" web site! www.conflictedinterest.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 08:19:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ACJaD18589; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:19:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020610071846.00b6dd00@localhost> X-Sender: adamme1/pop.east.cox.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:19:30 -0400 To: "Razz Man" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: FS: PanOptx glasses (long reply). In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:29 PM 6/9/2002 -0400, Razz Man wrote: >You are absolutely correct, a $7.50 (shipping) savings would also be realized. >How do you rate the Primate lens? I'm thinking about the "Silver Rider" >lens in the Venturi model. Did you have a chance to use them at night? If >so, how would you rate them? Also, how would you rate their eye comfort >(wind wise)? > >Razz Personally, for anyone like myself that has allergies and suffers from eye watering from wind/dust when riding, wrap around sunglasses were/are totally, absolutely useless. So I've done a lot, (WAY too much actually), research on sunglasses that would protect my eyes from the elements yet not look like goofy goggles. I really like two manufacturers - PanOptx and Wiley-X. www.panoptx.com www.wiley-x.com For reference, I own the PanOptx Viper with the Primate lens and the Wiley-X SG1 with Green/clear lenses. Both have their own type of foam cup that encircles the eye so that no wind gets in that causes watering. The PanOptx foam is a soft foam that conforms to the shape of each individual face so it makes a tight, comfortable seal. To prevent fogging, the PanOptx design also includes a thin filter surrounding the rim of each lens that allows air in but filters out all pollen,dust etc. The foam is replaceable through PanOptx and their life span is about 3-5 years from my experience and costs $25. The Wiley-X's use a harder foam that doesn't conform to your face but are also comfortable and effective. However, their venting system are just notches cut into the eye foam, so there's no filtering and no air tight seal around the eyes, however the Wiley-X's are pretty effective in keeping most heavy pollen/dust outside, and protect the eyes from direct wind contact. The PanOptx is much better for those who have sensitive eyes to dust and pollen. The advantage of the Wiley-X's is that they have removable arm pieces that can have a goggle type headband (included) snapped in instead. Also most Wiley-X's come with two sets of pop out lenses, one dark and one clear. This makes it very versatile for day/night riding. Swapping each lens out is a very simple affair and takes about 10 seconds each. Wiley-X's are also a little cheaper. The Viper/Primate combination averages about $120 and the Wiley-X SG1 retails for around $99. So. Wiley-X's - Advantages - interchangeable lenses and arms/headband. About 20% cheaper than PanOptx. Disadvantages - does not filter dirt/pollen like PanOptx. Lens optics not as good. Lens technology not as advanced as PanOptx. Although advertised as fog proof, will fog severely under high humidity at stop lights or when not moving. I noticed this most right before and after it rains and the humidity is very high. However it will quickly de-fog in one or two seconds once there's air movement again. PanOptx - Advantages - highly effective air filtering system, best lens selection and optics. Stylish, looks most like regular sunglasses. Unbreakable lenses using multi layer, fog proof technology that actually works. Disadvantages - Expensive. Varia lenses not dark enough and not light enough for day or night riding, reaction time of Varia lens very slow, requires break in time. Varia lens about $50 more than other PanOptx lenses. Lenses are not interchangable. Foam around eyes need to be changed every 3-5 years. Downtime until the sunglasses are returned from the factory with new foam inserts. They will not send you the inserts so that you can change them yourselves AFAIK. As far as PanOptx lens types - As I mention above the Varia is the preferred lens for those that want to use the same lens for day/night riding but I didn't like them. They're photochromatic but they required a break in that can take days to go through their suggested "break in procedure". Their reaction time is *very* slow and walking out of a building into bright sunlight, expect to be blinded for several seconds until the lenses darken. And even their darkest isn't *real* dark. At night, they brighten up to an amber color. I found they made night colors a little surreal and unnatural, consequently I sold the pair and bought the Vipers with the Primate lenses. At the time the Primate lens were the newest offering by PanOptx. The Primate lens claim to fame is that they are specially developed to be like any other dark colored sunglass lens with one major exception. It's designed to highlight (significantly brighten), certain colors, specifically the color frequencies found in signal lights and brake lights (signal light green/red and brake light red). And they *really* do work. I noticed brake lights coming on significantly faster and sooner than with regular lenses. Also signal lights stood out much more. The only way I can describe it is to imagine a black and white picture with only one spot of color on the page. That's what the Primate lens is like, except of course everything is in color. It doesn't change/highlight the trees/grass or other non signal light/brake light colors either. I've used them at night, but not out of choice. I wouldn't recommend them...too dark. If you ride a lot at night and want the versatility of a single lens, look at the Varia lens. If you want really dark during the day and clear at night, get the Wiley-X's where you can swap out the lenses. The Silver Rider lens, IMHO, is too bright on the eyes. But then again my eyes are very sensitive to bright light. I don't know of many people who prefer that bright of a lens in the daytime. Have you tried those lenses on? Patriot HD in Fairfax has a really good selection of PanOptx and Wiley-X sunglasses/goggles. You don't have to buy a pair there but you can try on and see different styles and lenses to get a "real" world feel of what they look like. I strongly suggest anyone who is interested in getting a pair of PanOptx or Wiley-X's to find a place that stocks a good selection because they *are* different than what their websites show and fit/feel is purely subjective to each individual. It'll save you a lot of time mail ordering back and forth. And for you non-Harley types, the folks that ride to Patriot and the folks that work there could care less if you ride a HOG or not. One of the mechanics actually owns an 85 700 Magna. ;-) Sorry for the long response but I figured there may be more of you interested in these type of sunglass systems and I did a lot of research and have owned several of these so I though I'd pass on what I know as well as saving everyone else from reinventing the wheel. So, after all THIS, if anyone remains interested in this pair I have for sale, let me know. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 08:44:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ACiMf19010; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'LindaT.'" Cc: "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX'" Subject: Might have seen you all Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:43:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sounds like a good one! I was up and around 522 and 211, stopped by Cooters in Sperryville & listened to some bluegrass band, had a tea and then took the road to Madison. Nice day, I think Saturday may have been a better one tho', but Sunday was just fine. Got home, changed out the 10-40W for some 20-50W, torqued around the bike and killed the evening with the Neil Young bio & am ready for the next ride, but this coming weekend is booked solid, looks like I'll have to put in some overtime around the house and squeeze something in. From:To: "DC-CYCLES" <> Subject: Yesterday's ride Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:07:59 -0400 Anyone who didn't get to ride yesterday missed a golden opportunity. The weather was perfect. Irv and I decided to make a run out to the Southern Kitchen in New Market for the peanut soup (which he loves). We went by 29-55-647-??-211. Somewhere on 647. a black bear crossed the road in front of me. A smallish bear - no larger than a large dog, but a bear nonetheless. A bear that might still be accompanied by a mama bear - who I was happy to NOT see. We stopped for gas at a Mobil station to meet up with a local MG club. 12-15 old drop tops (and a few GT coupes) all driven by happy old farts. Something to look forward to, I guess. 211 was, as always, a joy to ride, with an added benefit of scraping the pegs on my beemer for the first time. Ah the sound of expensive German metal grinding away on asphalt. Something I have aspired to for quite a while. A calming sense of accomplishment has descended over me. After lunch, we decided to come through Elizabeth Furnace and I can never remember the name of the road, but it was magical again. On a road heavily lined with trees that overhung the road, we flushed out a wild turkey that was desperately trying to 'out-fly' us. He was really pumping but finally slowed and landed on the side of the road and scurried into the bushes. We made a run up through Mount Weather and came back on Snickerville Pike. As we approached civilization again, I was amazed at what a good day we had, how many bikes we saw, and how few LEOs were in evidence. A GREAT day. LindaT. George M. Bruhl Project Officer, G-AND National Distress and Response Modernization Project Phone: 202.267.2020 Fax: 202.493.7002 Page: 866.259.6029 http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-a/ndrsmp/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 09:18:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ADIap19756; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:18:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D04A884.5BCE860A@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:24:20 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'LindaT.'" , "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Might have seen you all References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Grrr... I was stuck at home feverishly attempting to make a dent in the "Honey Do" list SWMBO gave me on Friday. My life - "Yes, dear" - "Right away, dear" Bill "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > Sounds like a good one! I was up and around 522 and 211, stopped by Cooters > in Sperryville & listened to some bluegrass band, had a tea and then took > the road to Madison. Nice day, I think Saturday may have been a better one > tho', but Sunday was just fine. Got home, changed out the 10-40W for some > 20-50W, torqued around the bike and killed the evening with the Neil Young > bio & am ready for the next ride, but this coming weekend is booked solid, > looks like I'll have to put in some overtime around the house and squeeze > something in. > > From:To: "DC-CYCLES" <> > Subject: Yesterday's ride > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:07:59 -0400 > > Anyone who didn't get to ride yesterday missed a golden opportunity. The > weather was perfect. > > Irv and I decided to make a run out to the Southern Kitchen in New Market > for the peanut soup (which he loves). We went by 29-55-647-??-211. > Somewhere on 647. a black bear crossed the road in front of me. A smallish > bear - no larger than a large dog, but a bear nonetheless. A bear that > might still be accompanied by a mama bear - who I was happy to NOT see. > > We stopped for gas at a Mobil station to meet up with a local MG club. > 12-15 old drop tops (and a few GT coupes) all driven by happy old farts. > Something to look forward to, I guess. > > 211 was, as always, a joy to ride, with an added benefit of scraping the > pegs on my beemer for the first time. Ah the sound of expensive German > metal grinding away on asphalt. Something I have aspired to for quite a > while. A calming sense of accomplishment has descended over me. > > After lunch, we decided to come through Elizabeth Furnace and I can never > remember the name of the road, but it was magical again. On a road heavily > lined with trees that overhung the road, we flushed out a wild turkey that > was desperately trying to 'out-fly' us. He was really pumping but finally > slowed and landed on the side of the road and scurried into the bushes. > > We made a run up through Mount Weather and came back on Snickerville Pike. > As we approached civilization again, I was amazed at what a good day we had, > how many bikes we saw, and how few LEOs were in evidence. > > A GREAT day. > > LindaT. > > George M. Bruhl > Project Officer, G-AND > National Distress and Response Modernization Project > Phone: 202.267.2020 > Fax: 202.493.7002 > Page: 866.259.6029 > http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-a/ndrsmp/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 09:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ADG5x19668; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:16:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020610131555.89636.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:15:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: My first SaddleSore 1K To: Paul Wilson , DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <004001c20fca$3b3b7d00$bf672c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Congratulations. Sounds like a good ride. Leon. ZX6 - big comfy touring bike EX250 x 2 - Commuter and rally bikes --- Paul Wilson wrote: > SaddleSore to Central Kentucky. Subtitled "a > helluva long way to go to have > lunch > at a Cracker Barrel." :) > > My friend Tom and I completed our first SaddleSore > ride yesterday. Me on > the VFR; he on a '02 BMW R1150R. We put our heads > together and planned the > route over the last couple of weeks. I looked for > routes that avoided major > cities, yet were served by Interstate highways. A > plus was avoiding toll > roads and states with low speed limits. Things like > going west in the > morning and east in the evening to keep the sun out > of your eyes are things > to think about too. Anyway, the route we chose was > DC to Winchester, KY > (just east of Lexington), which turned out to be 520 > miles by the mapping > software. It would put us through WV with its > generous 70-mph speed limit > and on lightly traveled interstates, principally > I-68 in Western Md. and > 1-79 in WV. The scenery's nice too for a day of > droning along the slab. > > Overall, a great trip, although the groin is a > little numb this morning. > The VFR performed flawlessly, although there was a > little problem with the > ScottOiler I mounted last week. I noticed at the > last stop the oil > reservoir had run out and as we hit DC last night, > the bike seemed to run > like crap at low speeds. Turns out on closer > inspection this morning that > the vacuum fitting had come loose, so the bike was > running with a vacuum > leak and way lean on #1 cylinder. > > Stock seat and stock butt works for me I guess. I > have a throttle lock and > throttle rocker. Tom doesn't have a throttle lock > and his right hand is > hurting this morning. I think a Throttlemeister has > his name on it. We > were starting to get a little "punchy" as the sun > went down and we had the > added task of watching for wildlife in the dark. > Tom and I had noticed the > number of road kill Bambis. Riding from gas stop to > gas stop with your feet > up will take a toll on your knees. As we came back > into DC (my feet hadn't > been down for close to 200 miles) I felt like my > legs had fallen off. Slide > back and forth on the seat to vary your position and > alternate between the > balls of your feet and your heels on the pegs. Tom > could put his feet on > his valve covers. :) Those boxers come with > built-in highway pegs. The > CamelBak and Tylenol hits added a lot of comfort > too. > > Here are the numbers > > Departure: 6:17 AM Arrival 11:31 PM GPS shows a > slightly longer trip time > of 17:23, which included short rides to get our > time-stamped ATM receipts. > > Total miles by GPS 1,041 1,074 by the bike > odometer, so bike odometer is 3% > optimistic. > > 59.9 mph average speed including stops. We took > about an hour at the > Cracker Barrel in Mt. Sterling, KY. > > 70.0 mph average on the move > > 93.3 top speed. We dialed in between 75 and 80 most > of the way. A little > higher when boredom set in. :) > > VFR got 39 mpg (by GPS) > > The keys to doing these things in a timely manner is > simply to keep moving, > and not necessarily at blistering top speeds. I > find maintaining higher > speeds and the stress of always looking for Johnny > Law can be very tiring. > Neither of us has a radar detector. We limited our > gas stops to 10-15 > minutes. Having a GPS and mapping software (a > printout of your route with > mileages and running times) helps a lot in > maintaining your pace and > checking yourself. I had set the highway running > speed at 70 in the mapping > software, so we kept pace with that. I had planned > 16 hours riding time and > with our hour for lunch, that turned out to be about > right. One thing we > might do in the future is to get an earlier start > next time. Both of us are > "morning people." I would be nice to get some > serious miles under our belts > between 5 and 8 AM. > > Our route planning seemed to pay off. There was > very little traffic the > whole way. There was one incident of weirdness on > I-70 near Hagerstown, Md. > I'm on the lead doing about 80 when I see this > pickup veer off the road and > kick up a huge cloud of dust. And then I see this > wheel and tire darting > across the road, into my lane. On the binders > quickly to let the wheel pass > in front of me. Definitely one of the weirder > things I've seen on the > highway. I guess the guy in the truck neglected his > lug nuts! Tom saw it > too, so I was not having hallucinations. > > Speaking of which, the whole exercise (like most of > motorcycling) is mental > rather than physical. The GPS makes a nice toy to > play with and helps keep > your mind sharp. I find when you're in the "zone" > the miles just melt away. > I tend to do simple calculations in my head > involving times and distances. > I figure when I become so addled that I can't do > simple arithmetic, it's > time to get off the bike! > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR < moving while I type this. > :) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 09:21:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ADLZh19929; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:21:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020610132133.84417.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Was learning exp To: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020609220103.03199b30@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii . . . and how quickly a bit of oil on top of that water will cause a very impressive low side. Leon. --- Bob Meyer wrote: > But I suggest you watch the Tuesday night bike races > on SpeedTV. Sooner or > later you'll catch one in the rain, and it will give > you an idea just how > much brake and lean modern tires can handle in the > wet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 09:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ADR6020237; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:27:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 10 Jun 2002 13:26:48 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ikeefer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Summit Point race 8 accident? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:26:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-12 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020610062648.23836.h011.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> "Ivan S. Keefer" wrote > Anyone know the fate of the rider medi-vaced? He crashed on the last lap of > race 8. I was on the grandstands at the carousel and couldn't see anything. > Hope he's ok. > For anyone who knows him, it was Papa Thiam who crashed in turn 3 during race 8. Papa is in critical care at Washington Hospital Center. He broke his C5 and has spinal chord damage. Right now he's in ICU and we're expecting him to have surgery today or tomorrow. Right now he has no feeling below his legs or his elbows. I am picking up his fiance now to take her to the hospital. I will keep you updated. Please, please, please say a huge prayer for Papa and his fiance Lisa and all of his friends. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 09:29:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ADT6r20334; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:29:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000a01c21083$29539960$355b1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Speed Channel sucks... Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:31:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, I was at the track all weekend, so I missed the AMA races from Road America. No biggie, I'll just watch the replays Sunday night, right? Wrong. They showed a replay (same as last Tuesday, for chrissakes) of the Isle of Mann stuff. I mean, I like the IOM as much as the next guy, but show that stuff in the dead of January to stoke my racing fire, and let's stick to the race series' in hand, huh? I haven't seen a WSB race since before Silverstone, I've only seen one GP 500 race (the first one, I think, in the rain), and I never saw any AMA since Sears (unless you count the feed from SV I watched in the S/F tower while at R. Atl.). Man, Speed Channel does suck. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project "Blasphemy is a victim-less crime" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 10:03:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AE3rl21208; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:03:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: sdave@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:57:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200206101357.g5ADvAP25232@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Summit Point race 8 accident? For anyone who knows him, it was Papa Thiam who crashed in turn 3 during race 8. Papa is in critical care at Washington Hospital Center. [Dave] WHOA. That sucks huge. I know him, he's a NVLOPE member (local Lightning club). Don't know about how he rides a bike, but he runs a go cart like nobody's business... Handed EVERYONE'S Arse to them - including me - at Allsports. He broke his C5 and has spinal chord damage. Right now he's in ICU and we're expecting him to have surgery today or tomorrow. Right now he has no feeling below his legs or his elbows. I am picking up his fiance now to take her to the hospital. I will keep you updated. Please, please, please say a huge prayer for Papa and his fiance Lisa and all of his friends. [Dave] I will. Sent mail to NVLOPE pres. Thanks for the info, unfortunate as it is. Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 10:13:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AEDT921478; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:13:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <05f601c21089$e32dd1b0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <200206101357.g5ADvAP25232@texas.pop3now.com> Subject: Re: Summit Point race 8 accident? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:19:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >He broke his C5 and has > spinal chord damage. Right now he's in ICU and we're > expecting him to have surgery today or tomorrow. Right > now he has no feeling below his legs or his elbows. ******************************************* Reality check. This s%&t is for real. With the speeds we are achieving theses days. Any one of us could spend the rest of our lives in a wheel chair. This is suppose to be "fun"..............remember ?? MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 10:14:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AEEQT21543; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:14:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00b701c21089$9231dae0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Leon Begeman" , "DC-CYCLES" References: <20020610131555.89636.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: My first SaddleSore 1K Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:11:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 You're welcome. I think Leon is one of the few people who would consider a 600 a "big, comfy touring bike." :) Properly set up (~$35 for the throttle lock and rocker) the VFR (a mere 750 cc) is a fine LD mount. Additional lighting might be a good idea for Bambi spotting, though and to fill in those dark spots when cornering. Paul in DC '95 VFR "Slab Eater" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" > Congratulations. Sounds like a good ride. > > Leon. > ZX6 - big comfy touring bike > EX250 x 2 - Commuter and rally bikes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 10:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AEqaf22461; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:52:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <064c01c2108f$5c098250$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" , "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" References: Subject: Re: Summit Point race 8 accident? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:56:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 For sure...........the street is worse than the track if you look at the statistics. MC ****************************** > From: "Silver, Arthur > Scary stuff, not just on the track but on the street as well. ****************************************** > Reality check. This s%&t is for real. > With the speeds we are achieving theses days. > Any one of us could spend the rest of our lives in a wheel chair. > > This is suppose to be "fun"..............remember ?? > MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 10:52:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AEqXG22444; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:52:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <064d01c2108f$5c917700$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "matthew patton" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <20020610143421.43984.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Summit Point race 8 accident? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:58:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > This is suppose to be "fun"..............remember ?? > > Mike Cecchini ******************************* > why do you think I race a GS500e? top speed in full tuck is 110mph. And > I'm piss-ant slow everywhere else. > From: "matthew patton" ************************************ Fun ?? :))))) Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 11:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AF1Sg22798; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:01:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020610110029.00fdb230@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:03:01 -0400 To: "Howard J. Koontz" , From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Speed Channel sucks... In-Reply-To: <000a01c21083$29539960$355b1840@apnHOFOJOKO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:31 AM 6/10/2002, Howard J. Koontz wrote: >They showed a replay (same as last Tuesday, for chrissakes) of the Isle of >Mann stuff. I mean, I like the IOM as much as the next guy, but show that >stuff in the dead of January to stoke my racing fire, and let's stick to the >race series' in hand, huh? I haven't seen a WSB race since before >Silverstone, I've only seen one GP 500 race (the first one, I think, in the >rain), and I never saw any AMA since Sears (unless you count the feed from >SV I watched in the S/F tower while at R. Atl.). Man, Speed Channel does >suck. At least they've shown all those events, even if it wasn't on the traditional schedule. AMA Superbikes from Road America were on yesterday during the day. There's nothing like ReplayTV/Tivo for reconciling their schedule and yours. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 12:09:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AG9me24369; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:09:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020610160938.284.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Speed Channel sucks... To: Larry Larson , "Howard J. Koontz" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020610110029.00fdb230@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is the speed channel? is it just bikes? local/national/international? can't say i've ever heard it; --- Larry Larson wrote: > At 09:31 AM 6/10/2002, Howard J. Koontz wrote: > > >They showed a replay (same as last Tuesday, for > chrissakes) of the Isle of > >Mann stuff. I mean, I like the IOM as much as the > next guy, but show that > >stuff in the dead of January to stoke my racing > fire, and let's stick to the > >race series' in hand, huh? I haven't seen a WSB > race since before > >Silverstone, I've only seen one GP 500 race (the > first one, I think, in the > >rain), and I never saw any AMA since Sears (unless > you count the feed from > >SV I watched in the S/F tower while at R. Atl.). > Man, Speed Channel does > >suck. > > At least they've shown all those events, even if it > wasn't on the > traditional schedule. AMA Superbikes from Road > America were on yesterday > during the day. > > There's nothing like ReplayTV/Tivo for reconciling > their schedule and yours. > > -- Larry > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 13:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AHDAv25547; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:13:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 95 yzf 600 fairings needed Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:25:52 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020607172019.90076.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> <20020607172851.25025.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020607172851.25025.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5AHD9025530 a friend of mine just got herself a 95 yzf 600. I noticed it appeared to be missing the front V shaped inner cowling.. and she was missing some screws, so of course eventually her fairings flew off.. both sides and belly pan. Right now i'm thinking ebay has some side fairings from LP, that we might be able to get and or MAW has some maier fairings listed at like $80 per side.. She wants to get a pointy race tail too. I'm thinking she could just get a full set of race plastics and after market headlights. Anyone have any suggestions? or know anywhere to get replacement plastics way cheaper than dealer, on an older bike? or where find cheap plastics new or used.. I might have to check the wera bbs, 2wf, ebay... etc. Anyone been here, done that, can tell me teh best way to go... etc etc. Input appreciated. Thank you. by the way the sticker on the frame says 5/94 and the title says 95. Does that make the bike a 95 or 94? Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 13:13:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AHDob25594; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:13:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: VFR Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:13:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just a quick question for the group... does $4000 seem fair for a '91 VFR with about 12k miles? I took a quick looksee at CycleTrader and eBay, and this looks like a pretty ballpark figure... Anything in particular that I should look out for with that model? From a cursory visual inspection, it seemed very clean... And I'll say it first... Oh no, not another one! :-)) John Stevens '77 GS750 Waldorf, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 13:17:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AHHo625805; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:17:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020610171744.6949.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: VFR To: Stevens John R DLVA , "DC Cycles Mailing List \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii from nadaguides: Low Retail: $2,900 Average Retail: $3,815 High Retail: $4,160 --- Stevens John R DLVA wrote: > Just a quick question for the group... does $4000 seem > fair for a '91 VFR > with about 12k miles? I took a quick looksee at > CycleTrader and eBay, and > this looks like a pretty ballpark figure... > > Anything in particular that I should look out for with > that model? From a > cursory visual inspection, it seemed very clean... > > And I'll say it first... Oh no, not another one! :-)) > > > John Stevens > '77 GS750 > Waldorf, MD > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 13:19:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AHJu625894; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:19:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020610171921.72474.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 95 yzf 600 fairings needed To: Danny MotorPsychoL , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > by the way the sticker on the frame says 5/94 and the > title says 95. > > Does that make the bike a 95 or 94? '95 the sticker only indicates when the bike was produced -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 13:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AHvXs26624; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:57:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.112.121] From: "Rob Keiser" To: StevensJR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:56:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2002 17:56:25.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[23AD1110:01C210A8] Only 12,000 miles on an 11 year VFR! That's a crime! or bogus. Give him $3000 and then keep the extra grand to slap him with it for not riding more. ;) Rob '98 VFR800 From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: VFR Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:13:27 -0400 Just a quick question for the group... does $4000 seem fair for a '91 VFR with about 12k miles? I took a quick looksee at CycleTrader and eBay, and this looks like a pretty ballpark figure... Anything in particular that I should look out for with that model? From a cursory visual inspection, it seemed very clean... And I'll say it first... Oh no, not another one! :-)) John Stevens '77 GS750 Waldorf, MD _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 14:39:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AIdRL27467; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:39:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:39:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Any more details for this trip? -----Original Message----- From: Steven Burrow [mailto:s_burrow@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 8:55 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Would anybody be interested for a ride to Harpers Ferry on the 15th of June? I got some responses from people last night at Bike Night and this seemed to be the preferred weekend. Steve '01 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 15:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AJErd28087; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:14:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:15:23 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: RichH@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm interested too. Anyone have details? Maybe we need to start planning it again? On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Any more details for this trip? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Burrow [mailto:s_burrow@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 8:55 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 > > Would anybody be interested for a ride to Harpers > Ferry on the 15th of June? I got some responses from > people last night at Bike Night and this seemed to be > the preferred weekend. > > Steve > '01 YZF600R > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 16:10:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AKAAO29033; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:10:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.103 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Speed Channel sucks... Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:10:00 -0400 To: "hofojoko@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2002 20:10:00.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCEF9510:01C210BA] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5AKA9029021 Howard, I can't speak about the AMA races from Road America, but I've had no problem watching all sorts of AMA, MotoGP, and WSB racing on Speed Channel so far this year. And, personally, I was happy to see that they were also covering IOMTT. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Howard J. Koontz HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:31:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speed Channel sucks... Hey, I was at the track all weekend, so I missed the AMA races from Road America. No biggie, I'll just watch the replays Sunday night, right? Wrong. They showed a replay (same as last Tuesday, for chrissakes) of the Isle of Mann stuff. I mean, I like the IOM as much as the next guy, but show that stuff in the dead of January to stoke my racing fire, and let's stick to the race series' in hand, huh? I haven't seen a WSB race since before Silverstone, I've only seen one GP 500 race (the first one, I think, in the rain), and I never saw any AMA since Sears (unless you count the feed from SV I watched in the S/F tower while at R. Atl.). Man, Speed Channel does suck. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project "Blasphemy is a victim-less crime" -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 16:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AKdfO29578; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:39:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020610203933.70928.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: dan , RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Should have all of the details together by Wednesday. I'll let all of you know. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 16:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AKdZY29560; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:39:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dragon Alternatives??? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:35:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I've been working with a group of friends to plan a nice 2-3 day weekend of nice riding far from the urban/suburban confines of DC. We had thought of returning to the Dragon this year, but the recent crack-down by police and unbearable weekend traffic makes the Dragon a better option for mid-week or late summer/early fall. The question is... anyone know any great routes/areas in West Virginia (even MD/VA)? The AMA always touts West Virginia as excellent for riding, but are we talking twisty road/rolling hill excellent? Naturally I'm not expecting to find the Dragon in West Virginia, but it would be nice to follow some nice routes and either and use a hotel/campground as a base. Any suggestions!?!? Thanks in advance, Wellesley From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 17:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AL2Ik00262; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:02:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020610210146.40914.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Dragon Alternatives??? To: "Scott, Wellesley E." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii west virginia flat-out rocks. you don't need 300+ turns in 11 miles when you're doing 300-400 mile loops. give me a day and i'll come up with something for you. or, if you're impatient, consider making princeton (hotel) a home base and pulling out the mapping software. i've actually done just fine with seneca rocks (camping) as a home base. --- "Scott, Wellesley E." wrote: > I've been working with a group of friends to plan a nice > 2-3 day weekend of > nice riding far from the urban/suburban confines of DC. > We had thought of > returning to the Dragon this year, but the recent > crack-down by police and > unbearable weekend traffic makes the Dragon a better > option for mid-week or > late summer/early fall. > > The question is... anyone know any great routes/areas in > West Virginia > (even MD/VA)? The AMA always touts West Virginia as > excellent for riding, > but are we talking twisty road/rolling hill excellent? > Naturally I'm not > expecting to find the Dragon in West Virginia, but it > would be nice to > follow some nice routes and either and use a > hotel/campground as a base. > Any suggestions!?!? > > Thanks in advance, > > Wellesley > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 17:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AL76P00462; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:07:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020610210703.44591.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Dragon Alternatives??? To: "Scott, Wellesley E." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Southwest VA and WV. Pick the road starting south and west of Harrisonburg and you can hardly go wrong. US 33, US 250, further south VA 100 into WV, VA 16 (one of my favorites). Another one I just found recently which seems to be as twisty as Deals Gap is VA 80 from I-81 over to US 19 and then it stays fairly twisty into Kentucky. If you'd like to know more roads let me know. No need to go all the way to NC. Of course if you want to go to NC just park it in Asheville and most roads around there are fantastic too, no need to hit the gap to have serveral days worth of awesome roads. Glenn --- "Scott, Wellesley E." wrote: > I've been working with a group of friends to plan a > nice 2-3 day weekend of > nice riding far from the urban/suburban confines of > DC. We had thought of > returning to the Dragon this year, but the recent > crack-down by police and > unbearable weekend traffic makes the Dragon a better > option for mid-week or > late summer/early fall. > > The question is... anyone know any great > routes/areas in West Virginia > (even MD/VA)? The AMA always touts West Virginia as > excellent for riding, > but are we talking twisty road/rolling hill > excellent? Naturally I'm not > expecting to find the Dragon in West Virginia, but > it would be nice to > follow some nice routes and either and use a > hotel/campground as a base. > Any suggestions!?!? > > Thanks in advance, > > Wellesley > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 18:42:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5AMgtJ02031; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:42:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020610224238.92637.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: wm@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020610203933.70928.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay, this is what I have so far. Dan, Rich, Jim, Roy, Marc W., Mark and possibly Laura have expressed an interest so far. How does this sound? Meet at 10am at the Mobil in Cascades Town Ctr. This is just off of Rt 7 in Sterling. The address is 46230 Cranston St. We head out by 10:45. The plan that I have at this moment is West on 7 to 28 south, Right on Old Ox Rd (621), right on Evergreen Mills Rd (621), right on King St (15n), get on Rt 7 bypass to Berlin Turnpike (287s), right on Hirst Rd (this might be called Pancoast Rd in some maps), right on Pucellville Rd (611), left on Charles Town Pike (9w), right on Harpers Ferry Rd (671), left on 340W, cross the bridge and take the first right on to Shenandoah St into Harpers Ferry. How does this route sound to everyone. Give me some feedback. I have been on some of the roads and they're not too bad. Granted they're not 211. Steve '01 YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 19:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ANQGY02975; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:26:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001001c210d6$01a60b20$315b2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Dragon Alternatives??? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:24:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I've been working with a group of friends to plan a nice 2-3 day weekend of nice riding far from the urban/suburban confines of DC. We had thought of returning to the Dragon this year, but the recent crack-down by police and unbearable weekend traffic makes the Dragon a better option for mid-week or late summer/early fall. The question is... anyone know any great routes/areas in West Virginia (even MD/VA)? The AMA always touts West Virginia as excellent for riding, but are we talking twisty road/rolling hill excellent? Naturally I'm not expecting to find the Dragon in West Virginia, but it would be nice to follow some nice routes and either and use a hotel/campground as a base. Any suggestions!?!? Thanks in advance, Wellesley ------------------------------------------------------------- You can find your Dragon Alternative in the Princeton/Beckley area of WV. SR16 and SR80 are both excellent examples. The big deal with Deals Gap is that there is narry a cross street or residential driveway in those 11 miles. SR16 is a close approximation in these terms but not as technical. It is however a blast to ride. Get down in that area for a couple of days. You will NOT be disappointed. Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 19:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ANqFn03499; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:52:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:51:40 -0400 From: Marc Read Subject: Greetings, all To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U () Hi all -- Just a note of introduction. I'm a Brit who has recently moved to the DC area (Rockville, MD) and has been slowly driven crazy by the beautiful riding weather. I couldn't bring myself to buy a cage, but.... I'll be taking the MSF Basic Course in late July -- I know there are faster ways to get a motorcycle license, but I haven't ridden for a year or so, and never in the US of A. And my mantra is "Training Is Always Money Well Spent." Spent about two years riding in England; several months on a tiny little 100 cc Yam (commuting 50 miles/day on busy roads in all weathers, I can't believe I only had two minor accidents) and then a year and a half on an agile Euro commuter, the Honda CB500 Cup (no relation to the older model with the same name -- see http://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/press/1998/1998_CB500_Cup.pdf although mine had an aftermarket full fairing). Looking to graduate to a cheap sports/tourer -- anyone have any opinions on the Kawa Concours? So, back to lurking on this list for a while -- in a couple of months expect me to bug you all with questions about how the hell you register and tax and insure vehicles in this country... if I manage to get financing together I might have a shiny new bike by the fall. (You ever tried building a credit rating in a foreign country?) In the meantime I'd be happy to offer general chit-chat or answer questions about riding on the other side of the Pond! Keep the sticky side down, Marc -- Marc Read **** marc@XXXXXX / marcread@XXXXXX (home) marc_read@XXXXXX (work) **** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 19:56:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ANuUN03600; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:56:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [207.172.69.95] From: "Marc Washington" To: s_burrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: wm@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:55:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2002 23:55:19.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[469C5280:01C210DA] I haven't ridden much around there so I'm cool with whatever >From: Steven Burrow >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >CC: wm@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:42:38 -0700 (PDT) > >Okay, this is what I have so far. >Dan, Rich, Jim, Roy, Marc W., Mark and possibly Laura >have expressed an interest so far. >How does this sound? >Meet at 10am at the Mobil in Cascades Town Ctr. This >is just off of Rt 7 in Sterling. The address is 46230 >Cranston St. We head out by 10:45. The plan that I >have at this moment is West on 7 to 28 south, Right on >Old Ox Rd (621), right on Evergreen Mills Rd (621), >right on King St (15n), get on Rt 7 bypass to Berlin >Turnpike (287s), right on Hirst Rd (this might be >called Pancoast Rd in some maps), right on Pucellville >Rd (611), left on Charles Town Pike (9w), right on >Harpers Ferry Rd (671), left on 340W, cross the bridge >and take the first right on to Shenandoah St into >Harpers Ferry. >How does this route sound to everyone. Give me some >feedback. >I have been on some of the roads and they're not too >bad. Granted they're not 211. >Steve >'01 YZF600R > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 20:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5B0aiw04426; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:36:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D054772.A7AE56B4@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:42:27 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Read CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Greetings, all References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc Read wrote: > Hi all -- > > Just a note of introduction. I'm a Brit who has recently moved to the DC > area (Rockville, MD) and has been slowly driven crazy by the beautiful > riding weather. I couldn't bring myself to buy a cage, but.... I'll be > taking the MSF Basic Course in late July -- I know there are faster ways > to get a motorcycle license, but I haven't ridden for a year or so, and > never in the US of A. And my mantra is "Training Is Always Money Well > Spent." > > Spent about two years riding in England; several months on a tiny little > 100 cc Yam (commuting 50 miles/day on busy roads in all weathers, I > can't believe I only had two minor accidents) and then a year and a half > on an agile Euro commuter, the Honda CB500 Cup (no relation to the older > model with the same name -- see > http://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/press/1998/1998_CB500_Cup.pdf although > mine had an aftermarket full fairing). Looking to graduate to a cheap > sports/tourer -- anyone have any opinions on the Kawa Concours? Bill sez - A Kawi Concours will give you the SHAFT! > So, back to lurking on this list for a while -- in a couple of months > expect me to bug you all with questions about how the hell you register > and tax and insure vehicles in this country... if I manage to get > financing together I might have a shiny new bike by the fall. (You ever > tried building a credit rating in a foreign country?) In the meantime > I'd be happy to offer general chit-chat or answer questions about riding > on the other side of the Pond! Well, on this side of the pond one can ride in a relitively straight line for thousands of miles and NOT fall into the ocean. Welcome, Marc. You got me thinking Brit, maybe I'll warm up a beer in the microwave! Or I could go out in the garage and pet my `66 Norton. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 20:45:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5B0jkS04640; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:45:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Marc Read'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Greetings, all Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:44:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c210e1$2d4b70c0$b182c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Marc came out of the Lurker Closet - Hi all -- Just a note of introduction. I'm a Brit who has recently moved to the DC area (Rockville, MD) and has been slowly driven crazy by the beautiful riding weather. [Dave] Welcome to the fray ! I couldn't bring myself to buy a cage, but.... I'll be taking the MSF Basic Course in late July -- I know there are faster ways to get a motorcycle license, but I haven't ridden for a year or so, and never in the US of A. And my mantra is "Training Is Always Money Well Spent." [Dave] Late July ! You might want to drop by a class early, sometimes there are no shows & you might be able to slide in... Spent about two years riding in England; several months on a tiny little 100 cc Yam (commuting 50 miles/day on busy roads in all weathers, I can't believe I only had two minor accidents) and then a year and a half on an agile Euro commuter, the Honda CB500 Cup (no relation to the older model with the same name -- see http://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/press/1998/1998_CB500_Cup.pdf although mine had an aftermarket full fairing). Looking to graduate to a cheap sports/tourer -- anyone have any opinions on the Kawa Concours? [Dave] For the $$$, the Connie is a pretty good choice. As you probably know, the motor is the same family as the Ninja, introduced in '84, and still being produced in slightly different form(s) today... That should tell you some things... So, back to lurking on this list for a while -- in a couple of months expect me to bug you all with questions about how the hell you register and tax and insure vehicles in this country... [Dave] We'll most certainly be able to turn that into some sort of political debate ;-) if I manage to get financing together I might have a shiny new bike by the fall. (You ever tried building a credit rating in a foreign country?) In the meantime I'd be happy to offer general chit-chat or answer questions about riding on the other side of the Pond! [Dave] Ok ... I'll bite - how does traffic / riding around here compare to across the Pond ??? Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 20:50:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5B0oX804809; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:50:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'William J. Huson'" , "'Marc Read'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Greetings, all Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:47:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c210e1$d02273c0$b182c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D054772.A7AE56B4@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Bill sez - A Kawi Concours will give you the SHAFT! [Dave] That's our Bill... Always thinking about the SHAFT ;-) ... Welcome, Marc. You got me thinking Brit, maybe I'll warm up a beer in the microwave! [Dave] I just had a Newcastle with dinner in celebration of my 33rd year on this rock... They may drive on the wrong side, but their Ales are tip top ! Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 22:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5B266305997; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:06:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D0559E1.90701@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:01:05 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dccycles Subject: Bike Night updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Bike Night web page http://www.geocities.com/bikenight has been updated to include links to pics (courtesy of George Cole and Mark Kitchell) from CarPool on June 2nd. Don't forget the next Bike Night at Grevey's on Tuesday, June 25th. And much thanks to Lisa Goddard for making the arrangement for the July Bike Night at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD on Sunday, July 29th. Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 10 23:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5B3UmB07341; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:30:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020611033045.28297.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: Speed Channel sucks... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000a01c21083$29539960$355b1840@apnHOFOJOKO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You can at least catch the Superbike race. They're replaying both of the AMA superbike races on Tuesday evening. Unfortunately, it looks like the 600 race is not being aired again. They have been dropping the ball with the MotoGP. They broadcast the Italian GP 1 time only. If you missed it, as I did, you're SOL. --- "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > Hey, > > I was at the track all weekend, so I missed the AMA races from Road > America. > No biggie, I'll just watch the replays Sunday night, right? > > Wrong. > > They showed a replay (same as last Tuesday, for chrissakes) of the > Isle of > Mann stuff. I mean, I like the IOM as much as the next guy, but show > that > stuff in the dead of January to stoke my racing fire, and let's stick > to the > race series' in hand, huh? I haven't seen a WSB race since before > Silverstone, I've only seen one GP 500 race (the first one, I think, > in the > rain), and I never saw any AMA since Sears (unless you count the feed > from > SV I watched in the S/F tower while at R. Atl.). Man, Speed Channel > does > suck. > > Howard J. Koontz > 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard > 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project > "Blasphemy is a victim-less crime" > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 01:13:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5B5DsV08850; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:13:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:13:25 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: s_burrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: wm@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Message-ID: <7F18FB96.6F31BFFF.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This looks good to me. I'll meet up with the other riders in Tyson's Corner and meet you all at the Mobil in Cascades Town Ctr. -Mark In a message dated Mon, 10 Jun 2002 6:43:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, s_burrow@XXXXXX writes: > > > Okay, this is what I have so far. > Dan, Rich, Jim, Roy, Marc W., Mark and possibly Laura > have expressed an interest so far. > How does this sound? > Meet at 10am at the Mobil in Cascades Town Ctr. This > is just off of Rt 7 in Sterling. The address is 46230 > Cranston St. We head out by 10:45. The plan that I > have at this moment is West on 7 to 28 south, Right on > Old Ox Rd (621), right on Evergreen Mills Rd (621), > right on King St (15n), get on Rt 7 bypass to Berlin > Turnpike (287s), right on Hirst Rd (this might be > called Pancoast Rd in some maps), right on Pucellville > Rd (611), left on Charles Town Pike (9w), right on > Harpers Ferry Rd (671), left on 340W, cross the bridge > and take the first right on to Shenandoah St into > Harpers Ferry. > How does this route sound to everyone. Give me some > feedback. > I have been on some of the roads and they're not too > bad. Granted they're not 211. > Steve > '01 YZF600R > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 08:35:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BCZlB15850; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:35:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa1w4qjXgzSmYxJ9OtSS7sMcdRlN0mS5WHw4Vcb84N1Apa9CP/826i8QUlthgBfWJQ= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Dragon Alternatives??? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:35:49 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal You live in DC and you don't know WV? argh. Directions: Drive west. Can't miss it...you're in WV when the mountains get big and the roads get curvy. Buy a map to get yourself un-lost after hours of m/c nirvana. Tons of campgrounds, Seneca Shadows (by seneca rocks) one I've recently used with much happiness. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott, Wellesley E. [mailto:wscott@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:36 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Dragon Alternatives??? > > > I've been working with a group of friends to plan a nice 2-3 day > weekend of > nice riding far from the urban/suburban confines of DC. We had thought of > returning to the Dragon this year, but the recent crack-down by police and > unbearable weekend traffic makes the Dragon a better option for > mid-week or > late summer/early fall. > > The question is... anyone know any great routes/areas in West Virginia > (even MD/VA)? The AMA always touts West Virginia as excellent for riding, > but are we talking twisty road/rolling hill excellent? Naturally I'm not > expecting to find the Dragon in West Virginia, but it would be nice to > follow some nice routes and either and use a hotel/campground as a base. > Any suggestions!?!? > > Thanks in advance, > > Wellesley > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 09:30:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BDUUg16847; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:30:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020611133028.58720.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Advice on Riding to Norfolk VA Needed To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought I would throw this one out.... I need to be in Norfolk, VA tomorrow at 8:30AM for the start (just a preliminary meeting) of the DC AidsRide. Two questions: 1. Would traffic be better if I left tonight at 8PM or at 4AM tomorrow. 2. What route should I take and how long will this take me (at whatever time you recommend)? Thanks PS: I see the two routes as 95 to 64 OR 95 to 17. Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 09:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BDhji17123; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:43:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020611134342.82349.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:43:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Advice on Riding to Norfolk VA Needed To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020611133028.58720.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I thought I would throw this one out.... > > I need to be in Norfolk, VA tomorrow at 8:30AM for > the > start (just a preliminary meeting) of the DC > AidsRide. > > Two questions: > > 1. Would traffic be better if I left tonight at 8PM > or > at 4AM tomorrow. > 4 AM traffic would be lightest but by 8:00 PM traffic should be fine too. > 2. What route should I take and how long will this > take me (at whatever time you recommend)? > See below. > Thanks > > PS: I see the two routes as 95 to 64 OR 95 to 17. > 95 - 64 is the fastest. You should be able to make Norfolk in ~ 2 1/2 - 2 3/4 hours with no stops or traffic problems. 95 - 17 is nicer and more peaceful but there are a ton on cops on this route that will ticket you for 65 (its a 55 zone). Additionally once you cross the York river make your way over to I-64 (you'll see signs) unless you like to sit at 1000 traffic lights. Either way you decide though is pretty damn boring on a bike as there is nothing that even resembles a curve... Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:06:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BE67Y17684; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] From: "Doug Allis" To: marcread@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Greetings, all Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:04:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2002 14:04:57.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[F813FAB0:01C21150] Hey if your looking for a another choice than the Kawi Concours, try the Honda Pacific Coast. It is easier to handle because of its lower center of gravety and has a smoother engine. It is only 800 cc, but if you want to ride any long distances you will find that the Kawi Concours can have some really annoying vibration problems that are hard to fix and keep fixed. I've had a Pacific Coast and am biased, but a couple of Connie owners I know have ridden my bike, and I have ridden theirs, and I wouldn't trade a Pacific Coast for a Concours any day. One of them has said he wish he bought my bike, the other is indifferent... Here's the trade off: the Concours is more powerful at the top end, but to get that power you have to deal with engine vibration -- buzzyness in the hands that you will notice after 40 - 100 miles, depending on engine tune. The buzzyness results from the way the engine is designed, if its slightly out of tune it will buzz a bit. Also the Pacific Coast's trunk beats the Connie's hard bags any day in my view. Both are good bikes for the price, a used PC is prob cheaper. Check Motor Cycle Consumer News's bike guide to compare. The last year Honda made the PC was 1998. >From: Marc Read >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Greetings, all >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:51:40 -0400 > >Hi all -- > >Just a note of introduction. I'm a Brit who has recently moved to the DC >area (Rockville, MD) and has been slowly driven crazy by the beautiful >riding weather. I couldn't bring myself to buy a cage, but.... I'll be >taking the MSF Basic Course in late July -- I know there are faster ways >to get a motorcycle license, but I haven't ridden for a year or so, and >never in the US of A. And my mantra is "Training Is Always Money Well >Spent." > >Spent about two years riding in England; several months on a tiny little >100 cc Yam (commuting 50 miles/day on busy roads in all weathers, I >can't believe I only had two minor accidents) and then a year and a half >on an agile Euro commuter, the Honda CB500 Cup (no relation to the older >model with the same name -- see >http://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/press/1998/1998_CB500_Cup.pdf although >mine had an aftermarket full fairing). Looking to graduate to a cheap >sports/tourer -- anyone have any opinions on the Kawa Concours? > >So, back to lurking on this list for a while -- in a couple of months >expect me to bug you all with questions about how the hell you register >and tax and insure vehicles in this country... if I manage to get >financing together I might have a shiny new bike by the fall. (You ever >tried building a credit rating in a foreign country?) In the meantime >I'd be happy to offer general chit-chat or answer questions about riding >on the other side of the Pond! > >Keep the sticky side down, > >Marc > >-- >Marc Read >**** marc@XXXXXX / marcread@XXXXXX (home) > marc_read@XXXXXX (work) **** > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:07:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BE7DJ17754; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:07:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e101c21151$bacb3d20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" References: <20020611134342.82349.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Advice on Riding to Norfolk VA Needed Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:09:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 There are some back roads that are just as direct for a daylight run. I you leave a 4AM, the sun will be coming up as you get to the interesting parts. Take 95 to 17 south of Fredericksburg (don't use the Bus. 17 exit at Falmouth), then take Va 2 south through the town of Bowling Green. At Bowling Green, pick up 301 briefly, then make a right on VA721. This is a nice twisting road through the Middle Peninsula. It's wide with smooth pavement, little traffic and not a single stop light. It becomes VA 14 once you cross US360. 14 merges into US 17 not far from the York River Bridge. I've done all three routes and 721/14 is by far the most fun and doesn't incur a big time penalty over US 17. If I were going at night, though, I'd stick to the 95/295/64 route. Go around, not through, Richmond. It was a winning strategy for General Grant and it's still good advice today. :) Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I thought I would throw this one out.... > > > > I need to be in Norfolk, VA tomorrow at 8:30AM for > > the > > start (just a preliminary meeting) of the DC > > AidsRide. > > > > Two questions: > > > > 1. Would traffic be better if I left tonight at 8PM > > or > > at 4AM tomorrow. > > > > 4 AM traffic would be lightest but by 8:00 PM traffic > should be fine too. > > > 2. What route should I take and how long will this > > take me (at whatever time you recommend)? > > > > See below. > > > Thanks > > > > PS: I see the two routes as 95 to 64 OR 95 to 17. > > > > 95 - 64 is the fastest. You should be able to make > Norfolk in ~ 2 1/2 - 2 3/4 hours with no stops or > traffic problems. > > 95 - 17 is nicer and more peaceful but there are a ton > on cops on this route that will ticket you for 65 > (its a 55 zone). Additionally once you cross the York > river make your way over to I-64 (you'll see signs) > unless you like to sit at 1000 traffic lights. > > Either way you decide though is pretty damn boring on > a bike as there is nothing that even resembles a > curve... > > Glenn > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:17:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BEHKj18091; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:17:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020611101555.00b705b8@localhost> X-Sender: adamme1/pop.east.cox.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:17:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Greetings, all In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:04 PM 6/11/2002 +0000, Doug Allis wrote: >Hey if your looking for a another choice than the Kawi Concours, try the >Honda Pacific Coast. It is easier to handle because of its lower center >of gravety and has a smoother engine. It is only 800 cc, but if you want >to ride any long distances you will find that the Kawi Concours can have >some really annoying vibration problems that are hard to fix and keep fixed. >I've had a Pacific Coast and am biased, but a couple of Connie owners I >know have ridden my bike, and I have ridden theirs, and I wouldn't trade a >Pacific Coast for a Concours any day. One of them has said he wish he >bought my bike, the other is indifferent... Here's the trade off: the >Concours is more powerful at the top end, but to get that power you have >to deal with engine vibration -- buzzyness in the hands that you will >notice after 40 - 100 miles, depending on engine tune. The buzzyness >results from the way the engine is designed, if its slightly out of tune >it will buzz a bit. Also the Pacific Coast's trunk beats the Connie's >hard bags any day in my view. Both are good bikes for the price, a used >PC is prob cheaper. Check Motor Cycle Consumer News's bike guide to >compare. The last year Honda made the PC was 1998. although I've heard good things about the PC's smoothness and utility, I just can't get past the looks. It looks to me like a big ole scooter filled with air. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:29:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BETQt18396; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:29:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:22:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200206111422.g5BEMLR05217@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Greetings, all Hey if your looking for a another choice than the Kawi Concours, try the Honda Pacific Coast. It is easier to handle because of its lower center of gravety and has a smoother engine. [Dave] I'll buy smoother engine off the bat, but easier to handle ? I'm afraid I'm not very PC (800) literate ;-) maybe looks are deceiving... It is only 800 cc, but if you want to ride any long distances you will find that the Kawi Concours can have some really annoying vibration problems that are hard to fix and keep fixed. [Dave] The Connie needs valves adjusted regularly, but I think it's less frequent than my 6k interval (ZX11), good plugs, and most important - sync'd carbs and the balancer shaft adjusted correctly. sync'd carbs is the usual culprit... ..Here's the trade off: the Concours is more powerful at the top end, ..., if its slightly out of tune it will buzz a bit. [Dave] True & true respectively, but the connie isn't just more powerful up top, it's got a fatter spread of hp & torque... ...Check Motor Cycle Consumer News's bike guide to compare. The last year Honda made the PC was 1998. [Dave] IIRC, the Connie was a 'best buy' at least one year... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:33:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BEXSF18541; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:33:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:26:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200206111426.g5BEQUU07075@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: speaking of syncing carbs... I'm getting the tell tale buzziness in the bars that tells me it's time for plugs & a carb syncing... I've not done the latter. For years, I've shunned ALL carb work, but I figure now is as good a time as any - I need a carb syncing tool - Any reccomendations ? Tips (besides lots of beer) ? TIA Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:37:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BEbQu18692; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:37:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e401c21155$fafe7e30$0100a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <200206111426.g5BEQUU07075@texas.pop3now.com> Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:40:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 What kind of bike? ----- Original Message ----- From: > I'm getting the tell tale buzziness in the bars that tells me it's > time for plugs & a carb syncing... > > I've not done the latter. For years, I've shunned ALL carb work, but > I figure now is as good a time as any - > > I need a carb syncing tool - > > Any reccomendations ? Tips (besides lots of beer) ? > > TIA > Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:40:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BEe4J18783; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:40:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Well if Speed Channel sucks... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:38:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2002 14:38:56.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[B78B0970:01C21155] because it doesn't rebroadcast when you can watch it may be time to pick up a Personal Video Recorder, AKA TIVO. I've got the DISH Network 501 receiver that came from my satilite provider. It has a free 9 day searchable program guide and a disk drive that holds uy to 40 hours of movies -- about 30 hours of sports. The software is not as sophisticated as TIVO, but there is no monthly surcharge either. I can search on "motorcycle" and the thing will find any program with "motorcycle" in the program guide, including repeats, rebroadcasts etc, and just as important, you get to watch it when you want to, and not at 3:00 am. You'd be surprised how many times the event you want is not on the channel you'd expect too. Its really quite cool. It can't do anything if no one broadcasts the event you want, but it will deal with the I can't watch it tonight situation. I do a search once a week for programs and events I like. > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BEeoU18883; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:40:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c001c21153$6bc3b160$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020611101555.00b705b8@localhost> Subject: Loudoun Motorsports Track-Day photos Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:22:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Hope I got some of you. Yes, I know there are a lot of photos of certain people...but they are guys I was with :-) I usually get more, but hard to coordinate when you are riding too. http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/020610/ Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BEgCN19061; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:42:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010b01c21156$9ea26e20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" References: <20020611134342.82349.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> <00e101c21151$bacb3d20$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: Advice on Riding to Norfolk VA Needed Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:39:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Argh. Make that a *left* onto 721. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" > There are some back roads that are just as direct for a daylight run. I you > leave a 4AM, the sun will be coming up as you get to the interesting parts. > Take 95 to 17 south of Fredericksburg (don't use the Bus. 17 exit at > Falmouth), then take Va 2 south through the town of Bowling Green. At > Bowling Green, pick up 301 briefly, then make a right on VA721. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:49:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BEnwm19344; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:50:42 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Steven Burrow cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 In-Reply-To: <20020610224238.92637.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Steven Burrow wrote: > Meet at 10am at the Mobil in Cascades Town Ctr. This > is just off of Rt 7 in Sterling. The address is 46230 > Cranston St. We head out by 10:45. The plan that I > have at this moment is West on 7 to 28 south, Right on > Old Ox Rd (621), right on Evergreen Mills Rd (621), > right on King St (15n), get on Rt 7 bypass to Berlin > Turnpike (287s), right on Hirst Rd (this might be > called Pancoast Rd in some maps), right on Pucellville > Rd (611), left on Charles Town Pike (9w), right on > Harpers Ferry Rd (671), left on 340W, cross the bridge > and take the first right on to Shenandoah St into > Harpers Ferry. Sounds good. So are we planning on taking the same way back... are we actually going to stop at Harpers Ferry? Oh and is the wheelie, stoppie and burnout contest before or after the ride (kidding!!!) Dan 01 YZF600R 02 FLHR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BEntV19327; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:49:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f401c21157$bb2f9580$0100a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , References: <200206111435.g5BEZhf11835@texas.pop3now.com> Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:53:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Flat slides? Don't they have to have all the cables synced? Never worked on them, sorry. Always heard they were a real pain. ----- Original Message ----- From: > What kind of bike? > > '90 ZX11 - 41mm Keihin flat sides. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:56:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BEu8019684; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:56:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:49:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200206111449.g5BEnA419282@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Bruce shook his head ruefully & typed... Flat slides? Don't they have to have all the cables synced? ...Always heard they were a real pain. [Dave] STOP THAT. You're scaring me. It's a PITA just getting TO the plugs & carbs... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 10:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BExtP19839; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:59:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:00:35 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: sdave@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... In-Reply-To: <200206111426.g5BEQUU07075@texas.pop3now.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I need mine done too! Anyone for a carb synching party? I can supply the place, a decent selection of tools, and the beer, just need some carb sticks. Dan On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm getting the tell tale buzziness in the bars that tells me it's > time for plugs & a carb syncing... > > I've not done the latter. For years, I've shunned ALL carb work, but > I figure now is as good a time as any - > > I need a carb syncing tool - > > Any reccomendations ? Tips (besides lots of beer) ? > > TIA > Dave > > > -- > Sponsored by: > Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? > Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? > Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! > http://www.searchgambling.com > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 11:00:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BF0td19975; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:00:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011001c21159$44e783e0$0100a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <200206111449.g5BEnA419282@texas.pop3now.com> Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:04:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Are these the original carbs or has the bike been modified? I don't think true flat slides would come from the factory. ----- Original Message ----- From: > Bruce shook his head ruefully & typed... > > Flat slides? Don't they have to have all the cables synced? ...Always > heard they were a real pain. > > [Dave] STOP THAT. You're scaring me. It's a PITA just getting TO > the plugs & carbs... > > Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 11:16:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BFGEA20475; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:16:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:09:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200206111509.g5BF9Gr29643@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Bruce asks - Are these the original carbs or has the bike been modified? [Dave] The steering head, bars, frame, fuel tank, seat, swing arm, lights, intake & exhaust valves are stock. Pretty much everything else is not in stock configuration... Including, but not limited to 2mm over bore, +5mm stroke on the (Falicon knife edged) crank, knife chromoly (sp?) rods, oil bypass kit, port matched head (stock valve springs too, now that I think about it), Muzzy X3 cams, 41mm carbs, Dyna ignition coils, a Powerpak box, undercut trans, PM wheels... yeah, you could say it's been modified. I don't think true flat slides would come from the factory. [Dave] they are a bit persnickety... but, strangely enough, it starts easier without the choke :-) Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 11:39:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BFd0R20986; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:39:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D061AEB.CE5304F3@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:44:43 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... References: <200206111426.g5BEQUU07075@texas.pop3now.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a carb synche tool! FREE! Harley have one carb, no need to synche four. You can pick it up in Annandale VA, ho phone (703) 256-3115. Bill huson - still cleaning out the garage sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm getting the tell tale buzziness in the bars that tells me it's > time for plugs & a carb syncing... > > I've not done the latter. For years, I've shunned ALL carb work, but > I figure now is as good a time as any - > > I need a carb syncing tool - > > Any reccomendations ? Tips (besides lots of beer) ? > > TIA > Dave > > -- > Sponsored by: > Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? > Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? > Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! > http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 11:56:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BFuod21432; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:56:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:57:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Carb synching party? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Matthew Patton has generously agreed to loan out a set of carb sticks. Any one want to get together one Saturday (or Sunday) and synch carbs and drink a little beer? I'm out in Leesburg, right off the tollway. Just trying to gather possible interest at this point. Dan On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, dan wrote: > I need mine done too! Anyone for a carb synching party? I can supply the > place, a decent selection of tools, and the beer, just need some carb > sticks. > > Dan > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I'm getting the tell tale buzziness in the bars that tells me it's > > time for plugs & a carb syncing... > > > > I've not done the latter. For years, I've shunned ALL carb work, but > > I figure now is as good a time as any - > > > > I need a carb syncing tool - > > > > Any reccomendations ? Tips (besides lots of beer) ? > > > > TIA > > Dave > > > > > > -- > > Sponsored by: > > Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? > > Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? > > Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! > > http://www.searchgambling.com > > > > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 12:00:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BG0tH21724; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:00:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:53:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200206111553.g5BFru420985@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Bill pointed out - I have a carb synche tool! FREE! [Dave] S O L D ! ! ! Harley have one carb, no need to synche four. You can pick it up in Annandale VA, ho phone (703) 256-3115. I'll call / email off list ! Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 12:12:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BGCOj22030; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:12:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:05:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200206111605.g5BG5OF26858@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Carb synching party? Dan Tempts with - Matthew Patton has generously agreed to loan out a set of carb sticks. [Dave] One good reason to sub to DCC - invariably, if you have a question, problem or need something, someone like Matthew offers to help. Any one want to get together one Saturday (or Sunday) and synch carbs and drink a little beer? I'm out in Leesburg, right off the tollway. [Dave] You had me, up to the 'Leesburg' and 'tollway' point... I'll be syncing in the (rather exclusive) Mount Vernon area I think ;-) Just trying to gather possible interest at this point. [Dave] I've got to get in the mood for this... not the easiest task getting to the carbs... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 12:15:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BGFW722180; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:15:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c21163$926ac320$65521840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: GW Hosp. bike parking? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:16:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey all, Me and two friends are planning to ride down to George Washington Hospital tomorrow to visit a friend in ICU (he's the guy who was hit by the VRE train June 31st). Problem is I know exactly jack about DC. I've lived here in MD for 25 years and can count the times I've been inside the district line on my appendages. So, that said, can anyone tell me where there might be some bike parking in the general vicinity? I'm pretty sure we can find the hospital, Mapquest and a paper map will get us that far, but 'was wondering about parking 3 scoots while we're there. TIA Howard J. Koontz, digest-ally impaired From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 12:18:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BGIrI22332; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:18:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ed01c21164$1e3e5b00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dan" , References: Subject: Re: Carb synching party? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:21:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It helps having fireproof digits when doing the VFR's carbs. Gotta reach in between the cylinder heads in the crotch of the "V," unless you have a fancy schmancy carb adjustment tool. Don't need to take off the tank or rig up a temporary fuel source. Probably should do it before my western trip. When and where? Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: Carb synching party? > Matthew Patton has generously agreed to loan out a set of carb sticks. > Any one want to get together one Saturday (or Sunday) and synch carbs and > drink a little beer? I'm out in Leesburg, right off the tollway. Just > trying to gather possible interest at this point. > > Dan > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, dan wrote: > > > I need mine done too! Anyone for a carb synching party? I can supply the > > place, a decent selection of tools, and the beer, just need some carb > > sticks. > > > > Dan > > > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > I'm getting the tell tale buzziness in the bars that tells me it's > > > time for plugs & a carb syncing... > > > > > > I've not done the latter. For years, I've shunned ALL carb work, but > > > I figure now is as good a time as any - > > > > > > I need a carb syncing tool - > > > > > > Any reccomendations ? Tips (besides lots of beer) ? > > > > > > TIA > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sponsored by: > > > Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? > > > Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? > > > Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! > > > http://www.searchgambling.com > > > > > > > > > -- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 12:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BGPb422517; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:25:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:26:20 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Re: Carb synching party? To: DC-Cycles , dan Message-id: <000901c21153$f4d34740$0200a8c0@theunit> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: I'd be very interested in doing this. Have never done it myself on the R6 and it needs it. Will help out with Beer, food or whatever else I can't contribute. Dan Carr ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: Carb synching party? > Matthew Patton has generously agreed to loan out a set of carb sticks. > Any one want to get together one Saturday (or Sunday) and synch carbs and > drink a little beer? I'm out in Leesburg, right off the tollway. Just > trying to gather possible interest at this point. > > Dan > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, dan wrote: > > > I need mine done too! Anyone for a carb synching party? I can supply the > > place, a decent selection of tools, and the beer, just need some carb > > sticks. > > > > Dan > > > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > I'm getting the tell tale buzziness in the bars that tells me it's > > > time for plugs & a carb syncing... > > > > > > I've not done the latter. For years, I've shunned ALL carb work, but > > > I figure now is as good a time as any - > > > > > > I need a carb syncing tool - > > > > > > Any reccomendations ? Tips (besides lots of beer) ? > > > > > > TIA > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sponsored by: > > > Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? > > > Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? > > > Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! > > > http://www.searchgambling.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 12:49:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BGnUQ23069; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:49:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020611164849.6006.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: GW Hosp. bike parking? To: "Howard J. Koontz" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000901c21163$926ac320$65521840@apnHOFOJOKO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There are 6 meters specifically for bikes ($.25/hour) on F Street, N.W. between 22d and 23d streets. This is about 3-4 blocks from the hospital. I'd start here, as I've never seen them full and it's not a well-traveled street. Alternatively, there's about 12 metered spots (same price) on Eye St., N.W. at the corner of Eye and 20th (or is it 21st?), NORTH of Pennsylvania Ave. This is also about 3-4 blocks from the hospital, but they sometimes fill up. This location can be a bit confusing, because at 20th St. there is a block of Eye St. both north and south of PA Ave (PA Ave. breaks up Eye such that the 2 blocks of Eye don't actually meet; a fairly common occurrence in DC). The long and short of this means that there are 2 corners of Eye and 20th, and the bike parking is at the one north of PA Ave. Best of luck. john --- "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > Hey all, > Me and two friends are planning to ride down to > George Washington > Hospital tomorrow to visit a friend in ICU (he's the > guy who was hit by the > VRE train June 31st). Problem is I know exactly jack > about DC. I've lived > here in MD for 25 years and can count the times I've > been inside the > district line on my appendages. So, that said, can > anyone tell me where > there might be some bike parking in the general > vicinity? I'm pretty sure we > can find the hospital, Mapquest and a paper map will > get us that far, but > 'was wondering about parking 3 scoots while we're > there. TIA > > Howard J. Koontz, digest-ally impaired > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 13:33:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BHXIg23881; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:33:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: s_burrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:32:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2002 17:32:11.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB289CD0:01C2116D] It pains me beyond words but my trusty Fiancee just reminded me of a prior engagement I have to be at 630pm. Any idea what time we would be heading back? Or better yet how far is it from Haper's Ferry to DC (about An hour and half to two hours?) I'm thinking I can peel off early if need be. >From: Steven Burrow >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >CC: wm@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:42:38 -0700 (PDT) > >Okay, this is what I have so far. >Dan, Rich, Jim, Roy, Marc W., Mark and possibly Laura >have expressed an interest so far. >How does this sound? >Meet at 10am at the Mobil in Cascades Town Ctr. This >is just off of Rt 7 in Sterling. The address is 46230 >Cranston St. We head out by 10:45. The plan that I >have at this moment is West on 7 to 28 south, Right on >Old Ox Rd (621), right on Evergreen Mills Rd (621), >right on King St (15n), get on Rt 7 bypass to Berlin >Turnpike (287s), right on Hirst Rd (this might be >called Pancoast Rd in some maps), right on Pucellville >Rd (611), left on Charles Town Pike (9w), right on >Harpers Ferry Rd (671), left on 340W, cross the bridge >and take the first right on to Shenandoah St into >Harpers Ferry. >How does this route sound to everyone. Give me some >feedback. >I have been on some of the roads and they're not too >bad. Granted they're not 211. >Steve >'01 YZF600R > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 13:45:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BHjt724278; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:45:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0c4901c21170$baa46320$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Dragon Alternatives??? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:52:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: Scott, Wellesley E. [mailto:wscott@XXXXXX] The question is... anyone know any great routes/areas in West Virginia Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. (sorry) I like that. > > Naturally I'm not > > expecting to find the Dragon in West Virginia........... Hahahahahahahahahhahahahhahaha. (sorry......again) No........you won't find "the Dragon" in W.Va.............you find BETTER !!!! People get all hyped up about "the dragon", drive 1000's of miles, spend 1000's of dollars, risk all the "good 'ole boys" throwing oil, nails, sand in the corners..............for what ???? There's better roads...............better weather..............better motels, ski resorts that want the summer business........less cops.............and MUCH nicer people in W.Va.. And it's SO CLOSE to us !!!! Been going to Marlinton, W.Va. for 18 years and when I showed the National CBX club the Marlinton Motel that sits at the base of the most spectacular road in N.A...............their jaws hit the ground. That was 3 years ago and the National Rally has been there ever since. People come from Canada, Germany, Japan, UK for this rally. We take over 3 motels, the cops leave us alone since we invited the State, Fed, city, county cops to meet with us every year. "No problem" is all we get. We spend almost 2 weeks doing what we want............when we want. The food supplier trucks show up in the parking lot and deliver our food, pizza gets delivered by the pick-up loads, local beer distributor sends his trucks to us for easy delivery/purchase. What a BLAST we have. Can you say" 6-8 hrs of kick ass riding everyday..........and p-aaaaaaaaar--ty. Why the hell would you ever go anywhere else. W.Va. is incredible !!!! Mike Cecchini Mid-Atlantic Ducati Club Ducati Owners Club of Canada Bimota News USA R90RS Owners Group International CBX Owners From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 14:09:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BI9lE24744; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:09:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020611180941.53812.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Dragon Alternatives??? To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0c4901c21170$baa46320$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As a newbie to the list, what's the Dragon? --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > From: Scott, Wellesley E. > [mailto:wscott@XXXXXX] > The question is... anyone know any great > routes/areas in West Virginia > > Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. (sorry) > I like that. > > > > Naturally I'm not > > > expecting to find the Dragon in West > Virginia........... > > Hahahahahahahahahhahahahhahaha. (sorry......again) > > No........you won't find "the Dragon" in > W.Va.............you find BETTER > !!!! > People get all hyped up about "the dragon", drive > 1000's of miles, spend > 1000's of dollars, risk all the "good 'ole boys" > throwing oil, nails, sand > in the corners..............for what ???? > > There's better roads...............better > weather..............better > motels, ski resorts that want the summer > business........less > cops.............and MUCH nicer people in W.Va.. > And it's SO CLOSE to us > !!!! > > Been going to Marlinton, W.Va. for 18 years and when > I showed the National > CBX club the Marlinton Motel that sits at the base > of the most spectacular > road in N.A...............their jaws hit the ground. > That was 3 years ago > and the National Rally has been there ever since. > People come from Canada, > Germany, Japan, UK for this rally. We take over 3 > motels, the cops leave us > alone since we invited the State, Fed, city, county > cops to meet with us > every year. "No problem" is all we get. > > We spend almost 2 weeks doing what we > want............when we want. The > food supplier trucks show up in the parking lot and > deliver our food, pizza > gets delivered by the pick-up loads, local beer > distributor sends his > trucks to us for easy delivery/purchase. What a > BLAST we have. > > Can you say" 6-8 hrs of kick ass riding > everyday..........and > p-aaaaaaaaar--ty. Why the hell would you ever go > anywhere else. W.Va. is > incredible !!!! > > Mike Cecchini > Mid-Atlantic Ducati Club > Ducati Owners Club of Canada > Bimota News USA > R90RS Owners Group > International CBX Owners > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 14:11:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BIB2Y24836; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:11:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0cd601c21174$40de8a80$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Doug Allis" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Greetings, all Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:15:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >From: "Doug Allis" > Hey if your looking for a another choice than the Kawi Concours, try the > Honda Pacific Coast. *************************************** Doug...............you are sooooooooooo right. A friend of mine got a PC and told me "don't ever ride one of these". Later that day, I did. I still cannot tell you how much I enjoyed the ride of that bike. It's like a magic carpet. Running through the foothills of the Allegany Mts. west of Gettysburg, Pa was incredible on the PC. 65-85 mph through the Pa. twisties for 6 hrs + was a total breeze. Mike Cecchini 888 & 926 Corse' Ducati R90RS BMW SB3 Bimota From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 14:28:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BIS7425300; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:28:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0d1c01c21176$a521e3f0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <200206111449.g5BEnA419282@texas.pop3now.com> Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:34:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Bruce shook his head ruefully & typed... > Flat slides? Don't they have to have all the cables synced? ...Always > heard they were a real pain. > From: > [Dave] STOP THAT. You're scaring me. It's a PITA just getting TO > the plugs & carbs... Nothing could be further from the truth. Flat slides are easy to synch. Either a vacuum gauge, balance "sticks", or Uni-Synch will do the job in easy 5-10 mins. You guys need to get your hands dirty and do some of this stuff so your not so intimidated by it. None of this is difficult with simple tools, a book and an afternoon. Mike Cecchini From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 14:55:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BIt1I25926; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:55:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020611185448.19346.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Dragon Alternatives??? To: Isaac Blanck , "Michael R. Cecchini" , jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020611180941.53812.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Deals Gap or US 129 between NC & TN. It has 318 hairpin turns in 11 miles. Some consider it to be the most challenging motorcycle road on the east coast. Thing is it has a reputation and its highly patrolled and is full of people on the weekends. Glenn --- Isaac Blanck wrote: > As a newbie to the list, what's the Dragon? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 16:08:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BK8f427247; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.224.173.2] From: "Sanath S" To: thelostshark@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dragon Alternatives??? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:07:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2002 20:07:31.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E35A920:01C21183] http://www.tailofthedragon.com/ >From: Isaac Blanck >To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , jmstrang@XXXXXX >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Dragon Alternatives??? >Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:09:41 -0700 (PDT) > >As a newbie to the list, what's the Dragon? >--- "Michael R. Cecchini" >wrote: > > From: Scott, Wellesley E. > > [mailto:wscott@XXXXXX] > > The question is... anyone know any great > > routes/areas in West Virginia > > > > Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. (sorry) > > I like that. > > > > > > Naturally I'm not > > > > expecting to find the Dragon in West > > Virginia........... > > > > Hahahahahahahahahhahahahhahaha. (sorry......again) > > > > No........you won't find "the Dragon" in > > W.Va.............you find BETTER > > !!!! > > People get all hyped up about "the dragon", drive > > 1000's of miles, spend > > 1000's of dollars, risk all the "good 'ole boys" > > throwing oil, nails, sand > > in the corners..............for what ???? > > > > There's better roads...............better > > weather..............better > > motels, ski resorts that want the summer > > business........less > > cops.............and MUCH nicer people in W.Va.. > > And it's SO CLOSE to us > > !!!! > > > > Been going to Marlinton, W.Va. for 18 years and when > > I showed the National > > CBX club the Marlinton Motel that sits at the base > > of the most spectacular > > road in N.A...............their jaws hit the ground. > > That was 3 years ago > > and the National Rally has been there ever since. > > People come from Canada, > > Germany, Japan, UK for this rally. We take over 3 > > motels, the cops leave us > > alone since we invited the State, Fed, city, county > > cops to meet with us > > every year. "No problem" is all we get. > > > > We spend almost 2 weeks doing what we > > want............when we want. The > > food supplier trucks show up in the parking lot and > > deliver our food, pizza > > gets delivered by the pick-up loads, local beer > > distributor sends his > > trucks to us for easy delivery/purchase. What a > > BLAST we have. > > > > Can you say" 6-8 hrs of kick ass riding > > everyday..........and > > p-aaaaaaaaar--ty. Why the hell would you ever go > > anywhere else. W.Va. is > > incredible !!!! > > > > Mike Cecchini > > Mid-Atlantic Ducati Club > > Ducati Owners Club of Canada > > Bimota News USA > > R90RS Owners Group > > International CBX Owners > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 16:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BKwok28293; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:58:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <014201c2118a$22f250e0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Reply-To: "Patti Rodgers" From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Dc-Cycles" Subject: the only thing working at DC DMV is my nerves Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:54:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Final (hopefully!) tally of what is required to renew tags in DC: 3 trips to the Inspection station (one was after I had already PASSED inspection), three "hate letters" to the DMV, two more to the mayor, and about 15 phone calls... but I finally (again, hopefully!) have the DC Sticker Truth... But don't be surprised if someone at DMV tells you something TOTALLY different. DC DMV ran out of motorcycle stickers and started sending out car stickers to anyone who registered a motorcycle while there were no stickers. They did not actually *tell* anyone they were out, though, so you kind of had to figure it out on your own. You are supposed to have the same old, little bitty stickers attached to the license plate. Inspection too. (Also make sure the Inspection people actually put your sticker on because apparently sometimes they forget) No one at DMV has any clue about any of this, so do not count on the DMV or Inspection station people from helping you get completely screwed around. If you get (or have already gotten) a car sticker you are supposed to call them and ask for a motorcycle sticker. Or just go to C Street, which at this time is the only location with motorcycle stickers at all. They will not admit that they can mail you your sticker unless you fuss about it. If you already put your car sticker on your motorcycle you can leave it there or pull it off but they will be looking for the registration sticker on the license plates, so you should get your MC stickers as well. Hope everyone has an easier time of it than me. I am already dreading taking my other bike down there... no "real" title, out-of-state registration from a title service, no turn signals... anyone in VA wanna tag a bike for me?! Cheers, Patti still the LANTech From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 17:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BLq4K29383; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:51:12 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Message-ID: <284A25B6.4B02FC68.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just mapped Washington DC to Harper's Ferry and it's about an hour to hour 1/2 away. There are a few people that have to leave early. Let's try to finalize the meeting places and times. So there is no confusion. We should have a small trip itinerary. -Mark PS: The weather looks good this up and coming weekend. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 18:25:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BMPFq00125; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:25:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020611182325.00fffe88@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:26:50 -0400 To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , "Doug Allis" , From: Larry Larson Subject: Pacific Coast??? Cc: In-Reply-To: <0cd601c21174$40de8a80$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:15 PM 6/11/2002, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > >From: "Doug Allis" > > Hey if your looking for a another choice than the Kawi Concours, try the > > Honda Pacific Coast. >*************************************** >Doug...............you are sooooooooooo right. > >A friend of mine got a PC and told me "don't ever ride one of these". >Later that day, I did. I still cannot tell you how much I enjoyed the ride >of that bike. Speaking of which, a black PC with a pilot in a reflective riding suit turned from Rt. 1 northbound in Alexandria onto E. Monroe Ave. at about 6:10 this evening. A lister? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 18:40:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BMe4l00543; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:40:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B762@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'s_burrow@XXXXXX'" Subject: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:44:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain FWIW, The Charles Washington Inn in Charles Town is MC friendly. Nice place for lunch and pictures of bikes lined up in front. Charles Washington Inn 210 West Liberty Street Charles Town, WV 301-725-4020 Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 18:50:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BMoHS00866; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:50:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <056c01c2119a$bd6d7c20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "'DCCycles'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B762@DCHQCLEXHQ> Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:49:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Last time I was in HF, there were a crap-load of Harleys at one of the establishments near the train station. Parking on Park Service property is nil unless you want to ride a bus. There are usually places for bikes to squeeze in at the commuter lot adjacent to the MARC station. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Custer, Carl" > FWIW, The Charles Washington Inn in Charles Town is MC friendly. > Nice place for lunch and pictures of bikes lined up in front. > Charles Washington Inn > 210 West Liberty Street > Charles Town, WV > 301-725-4020 > > > > Carl in Bethesda > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 19:09:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5BN93301629; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:09:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: "Patti Rodgers" Cc: "'Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: the only thing working at DC DMV is my nerves Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:22:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <014201c2118a$22f250e0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> In-Reply-To: <014201c2118a$22f250e0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5BN92001611 |>Hope everyone has an easier time of it than me. I am already dreading |>taking my other bike down there... no "real" title, out-of-state |>registration from a title service, no turn signals... anyone in VA |>wanna tag a bike for me?! I woulda just put the window sticker on my forks or something... cops dont' really mess with riders too much. You might want to tag your second bike in a company name using a friends address as the business location. In maryland I tagged my trailer in m y company name nad they didn't want to see any proof of any company.. weird. I'll probably tag my next bike in my company name.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 21:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5C1NsM04088; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:23:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c211af$9611e7a0$993d2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:22:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I was wondering about that too Mike. There shouldn't be any special mystery to Daves setup. Find the vacuum inlets on the intake manifolds, remove plug screws, insert adapters and attach merc-stix. Locate base carb and adjust others to that one. What's the big deal? Todd (Springfield, VA) --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:34:20 -0400 > Bruce shook his head ruefully & typed... > Flat slides? Don't they have to have all the cables synced? ...Always > heard they were a real pain. > From: > [Dave] STOP THAT. You're scaring me. It's a PITA just getting TO > the plugs & carbs... Nothing could be further from the truth. Flat slides are easy to synch. Either a vacuum gauge, balance "sticks", or Uni-Synch will do the job in easy 5-10 mins. You guys need to get your hands dirty and do some of this stuff so your not so intimidated by it. None of this is difficult with simple tools, a book and an afternoon. Mike Cecchini From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 22:26:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5C2QhW05261; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:26:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <025001c211b9$1466ab50$0100a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <000901c211af$9611e7a0$993d2c42@c9rnf01> Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:30:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Don't you have to adjust the height of each individual slide? The 'flat slide' carbs I'm talking about have a cable running to each carb that lifts the slide, syncing requires adjusting the cables so that all slides lift in unison. Mebbe I'm nuts, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" > I was wondering about that too Mike. > > There shouldn't be any special mystery to Daves setup. Find the vacuum > inlets on the intake manifolds, remove plug screws, insert adapters and > attach merc-stix. Locate base carb and adjust others to that one. > > What's the big deal? > > Todd (Springfield, VA) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > > Bruce shook his head ruefully & typed... > > Flat slides? Don't they have to have all the cables synced? ...Always > > heard they were a real pain. > > > From: > > [Dave] STOP THAT. You're scaring me. It's a PITA just getting TO > > the plugs & carbs... > > Nothing could be further from the truth. Flat slides are easy to synch. > Either a vacuum gauge, balance "sticks", or Uni-Synch will do the job in > easy 5-10 mins. > > You guys need to get your hands dirty and do some of this stuff so your not > so intimidated by it. None of this is difficult with simple tools, a book > and an afternoon. > > Mike Cecchini From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 23:00:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5C300V06001; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:00:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01fd01c211be$21c285d0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <000901c211af$9611e7a0$993d2c42@c9rnf01> Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:03:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > From: "Todd Peer" > I was wondering about that too Mike. > > There shouldn't be any special mystery to Daves setup. Find the vacuum > inlets on the intake manifolds, remove plug screws, insert adapters and > attach merc-stix. Locate base carb and adjust others to that one. > > What's the big deal? ************************************* Nothing. Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 23:15:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5C3Fqs06382; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:15:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [138.88.89.20] From: "Marc Washington" To: STmaven@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:15:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 03:15:40.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E176D50:01C211BF] Great! What time are folks meeting at Tyson's Corner? Who is coming back when? I need to start heading back at latest by 5pm personally. >From: STmaven@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 >Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:51:12 -0400 > >I just mapped Washington DC to Harper's Ferry and it's about an hour to >hour 1/2 away. There are a few people that have to leave early. Let's try >to finalize the meeting places and times. So there is no confusion. We >should have a small trip itinerary. > >-Mark > >PS: The weather looks good this up and coming weekend. > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 11 23:18:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5C3IhE06475; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:18:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <020501c211c0$c1813a60$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Bruce Norton" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <000901c211af$9611e7a0$993d2c42@c9rnf01> <025001c211b9$1466ab50$0100a8c0@XP1> Subject: Re: speaking of syncing carbs... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:25:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >From: "Bruce Norton" > Don't you have to adjust the height of each individual slide? The 'flat > slide' carbs I'm talking about have a cable running to each carb that lifts > the slide, syncing requires adjusting the cables so that all slides lift in > unison. > > Mebbe I'm nuts, > Bruce ************************************************** That's a piece of cake !!! Take 4 long nails and sit them under each slide and turn the throttle. See if they all move at the same time. Adjust cables/linkage accordingly. You need to see it done on a CBX.............6 carbs !!! You want to know the REAL problem ??? Getting that damn airbox out of the way on some bikes. Mike Cecchini From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 00:33:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5C4XG407765; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:33:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Danny MotorPsychoL Cc: "Patti Rodgers" , "'Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: Re: the only thing working at DC DMV is my nerves Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:46:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <014201c2118a$22f250e0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5C4XA007749 but i meant was, find someone who will tag it in va and tell them to use a company name. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 06:57:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CAvlR13839; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:57:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:52:29 -0400 From: Marc Read Subject: This and that To: DC Cycles Message-id: <+Lz1tqAtfyB9EwCd@rauko.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U () Thanks to everyone who said hello! I have no idea about the netiquette for a mailing-list that I read digested once per day. Is it OK reply in one go to everyone who copied their emails to the group? So thanks for the advice about insurance and the bike suggestions. I had vaguely considered the Pac Coast, but I have an overwhelming urge to buy a Brand New Bike simply because I *can* (what with grad school and one thing and another it's the first time both I and my wife have respectable incomes). I'm sure you wouldn't try to use reason or logic with someone in that frame of mind! As for the MSF course -- I know that the Basic Course might be, well, too basic -- but it leads automatically to motorcycle licensing in Maryland, which is otherwise tricky unless I could sort out insurance on my UK license to borrow someone's bike to take the test! And I know late July is an eternity away, but it's very tricky for me to get to anywhere that's outside the Metro area, since I currently depend entirely on metrorail and bus to get around... I haven't driven or ridden enough in the US to notice many positive points. Some of the things I'm gonna miss: * legal lane-splitting, quite often following or being followed by a police bike; * freeway exits consistently on one side of the road; * two or three motorcycles in the average large office parking lot owned by regular commuters; * idiot-proof signposting. Oh, something that's a mixed blessing over there: * absurdly well-trained police bikers riding nothing less agile than an ST1100. But we certainly can't match your weather or variety of roads and scenery! Marc PS We don't warm beer up, we just don't chill it down. We have no need of deadening the taste buds as it slides past. -- Marc Read **** marc@XXXXXX / marcread@XXXXXX (home) marc_read@XXXXXX (work) **** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 09:15:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CDFPa16020; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:15:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 12 Jun 2002 13:15:16 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Update on Papa X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:15:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-12 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020612061516.23912.h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> I know most of you don't know him, but I am sending this out because you are all motorcycle riders and we're all a family. Papa is still in critical condition in the ICU at washington hospital center. It is possible, although we are all trying to remain positive and hopefull, that he will be paralyzed. He broke his C5 and C6, which control the movement of your arms and legs. Papa is a wonderful, kind, incredible man...and this is an extremely tough time for him, his fiance, his family and his friends. I am not trying to start a religious debate, but please, please put them in your prayers. If you worship rocks, then pray to the dang rocks that they all get through this. We need all the prayers we can get right now. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 09:20:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CDKBG16180; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:20:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D074A6C.4050700@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:19:40 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020529 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Read CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: This and that References: <+Lz1tqAtfyB9EwCd@rauko.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc Read wrote: > Thanks to everyone who said hello! > > As for the MSF course -- I know that the Basic Course might be, well, > too basic -- I found it entertaining, fun. Little bikes in a parking lot = cool. > but it leads automatically to motorcycle licensing in > Maryland, This is a nice point. > > I haven't driven or ridden enough in the US to notice many positive > points. Some of the things I'm gonna miss: > > * legal lane-splitting, quite often following or > being followed by a police bike; illegal lane-splitting is fun tho > > * freeway exits consistently on one side of the > road; Hey, that just means you can swerve in and out of traffic to get to your exit - more fun... > > * two or three motorcycles in the average large office > parking lot owned by regular commuters; I would think you will notice more bikes everywhere here. > > * idiot-proof signposting. Well sorry we don't have pictures on our signs here in the states, we reserve all those for the McDonalds registars :) > > > Oh, something that's a mixed blessing over there: > > * absurdly well-trained police bikers riding > nothing less agile than an ST1100. Hey, I've seen some Cops here who can ride anything well - and ride their Harleys extremly well. Somewhere in VA the Cops ride Beemers. > > > But we certainly can't match your weather or variety of roads and > scenery! Thats for sure! > > > Marc > > PS We don't warm beer up, we just don't chill it down. We have no need > of deadening the taste buds as it slides past. Warm beer is good. Tom De - '98 VTR PS the above comments are sarcastic in nature. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 09:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CDU9r16468; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:30:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Georgetown Waterfront Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:30:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What's the deal with parking near the sundial at the Georgetown Waterfront? I always see bikes there, but the signs say permit parking only. Has anyone ever gotten a ticket there? I've never noticed a permit on any of the bikes or cars that park there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 09:30:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CDUMA16488; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:30:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pacific Coast??? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:29:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 13:29:11.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[237F3E70:01C21215] Not me. Mine's red. >From: Larry Larson >To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , "Doug Allis" >, >CC: >Subject: Pacific Coast??? >Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:26:50 -0400 > >At 02:15 PM 6/11/2002, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: >> >From: "Doug Allis" >> > Hey if your looking for a another choice than the Kawi Concours, try >>the >> > Honda Pacific Coast. >>*************************************** >>Doug...............you are sooooooooooo right. >> >>A friend of mine got a PC and told me "don't ever ride one of these". >>Later that day, I did. I still cannot tell you how much I enjoyed the >>ride >>of that bike. > >Speaking of which, a black PC with a pilot in a reflective riding suit >turned from Rt. 1 northbound in Alexandria onto E. Monroe Ave. at >about 6:10 this evening. A lister? > >-- Larry > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 09:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CDXwF16697; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:33:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E833@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Georgetown Waterfront Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:33:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I work about 150 yards from there and even I don't understand the policy, but I walk by there at lunch almost every day and the meter maid is very busy. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: RichH@XXXXXX [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:31 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Georgetown Waterfront What's the deal with parking near the sundial at the Georgetown Waterfront? I always see bikes there, but the signs say permit parking only. Has anyone ever gotten a ticket there? I've never noticed a permit on any of the bikes or cars that park there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 09:44:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CDiMD17049; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:44:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612134414.59931.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Georgetown Waterfront To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii got me a nice $100 ticket there two weeks ago.... as did 7 other bikes. --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > What's the deal with parking near the sundial at the > Georgetown Waterfront? > I always see bikes there, but the signs say permit > parking only. Has anyone > ever gotten a ticket there? I've never noticed a permit > on any of the bikes > or cars that park there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 09:48:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CDmvG17201; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:48:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Georgetown Waterfront Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:44:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I see bikes parking there every day, but my suggestion would be to park in "no man's land" b/w K street and the Harbor parking. I park there daily and haven't had any problems. "No man's land" is the space between the pay meters and the Harbor parking. -----Original Message----- From: RichH@XXXXXX [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:31 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Georgetown Waterfront What's the deal with parking near the sundial at the Georgetown Waterfront? I always see bikes there, but the signs say permit parking only. Has anyone ever gotten a ticket there? I've never noticed a permit on any of the bikes or cars that park there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 09:51:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CDppE17386; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:51:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Georgetown Waterfront Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:50:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 13:50:45.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[26660350:01C21218] Well, that sucks! Are you going to fight the ticket? Perry >From: Tom Gimer >To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Georgetown Waterfront >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:44:14 -0700 (PDT) > >got me a nice $100 ticket there two weeks ago.... as did 7 >other bikes. > > > > >--- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > What's the deal with parking near the sundial at the > > Georgetown Waterfront? > > I always see bikes there, but the signs say permit > > parking only. Has anyone > > ever gotten a ticket there? I've never noticed a permit > > on any of the bikes > > or cars that park there. > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 09:53:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CDr1W17498; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:53:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612135257.91607.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:52:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Georgetown Waterfront To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii me? fight? heavens no.... ;) --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Well, that sucks! Are you going to fight the ticket? > > Perry > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Georgetown Waterfront > >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:44:14 -0700 (PDT) > > > >got me a nice $100 ticket there two weeks ago.... as > did 7 > >other bikes. > > > > > > > > > >--- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > > What's the deal with parking near the sundial at the > > > Georgetown Waterfront? > > > I always see bikes there, but the signs say permit > > > parking only. Has anyone > > > ever gotten a ticket there? I've never noticed a > permit > > > on any of the bikes > > > or cars that park there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 10:17:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CEHkC18108; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:17:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000b01c2121c$602f6be0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Larry Larson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020611182325.00fffe88@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Pacific Coast GW commuter??? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:00:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I think this rider (Black PC, lime green vest) and I have been exchanging waves on the GW Pkwy. between Slater's Lane and 395 many a morning for the past three years. This rider is definitely of the "all weather" variety. If you're on here, I'm the southbound GW commuter who's been riding an assortment of Hondas (CB750, VFR, VF500F) for the past three years. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Larson" > > Speaking of which, a black PC with a pilot in a reflective riding suit > turned from Rt. 1 northbound in Alexandria onto E. Monroe Ave. at > about 6:10 this evening. A lister? > > -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 10:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CEZRg18614; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:35:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <193.833d0d8.2a38b601@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:34:41 EDT Subject: ifn yall kant writ gooder writ lots. (Long trip report) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5CEZQ018602 Since I last logged on Thursday eve. I have ridden 1,776mi. Left Friday morning for Ela North Carolina (just outside of Cherokee NC) to visit mom, and RIDE! I am going a "new" way just to see if it is worth while. I rode to 301, down to Richmond where I intended to get onto 360 W. When I check I find out I have left my maps at home. Oh well no problem.... Yea right. At Richmond I automatically turn onto the beltway and then instead of turning away from town on 360 I turn _into_ town. 360 goes from 4 lanes to 2 lanes and begins to change names every block, or 20ft. whichever comes first. >From 2 lane to narrow 2 lane, into someone's neighborhood, into one lane, through someone's back yard, the ditch was no problem (It was dry) but the creek was full of water and what looked to be slippery rocks and other stuff (Alligators do not live in Virginia right? I would swear...) So I backtrack, find a store and buy a map of Richmond. Now that I *think* I know where I am I ride back to I-95 and try again. This time it works and I ride out of town having lost at least an hour and severely deformed the chin bar on my helmet with cussing (When bugs hit a cuss heated chin bar they sizzle, just like a bug zapper, it is an odd sound inside of a helmet.) Oh well I digress and as you know I never do that, it is unprofessional. 360 takes me to 58, 58 is the reason I have come this way, it is a rural country road with some fun bits. Mostly rural... I know there were some fun bits the last time I was here... right? hello fun bits? At last 20 or 30mi. East of Damascus I see one of my favorite signs, rare and lovely "Highway ___ between ____ and ____not recommended for Trucks and RVs..." I prefer "Trucks and RVM-bM-^@M-^Ys not allowed" (Interestingly these invariably contain at least one truck.) but they are truly rare, this will do. I have already ridden about 400mi. at this point and am a bit stiff but DAMN THIS FEELS GOOD! After Damascus the road goes back to just a rural highway drone, to I-81S. It is something like 7:30pm. now and I need to stop for food, fuel and the "I will be later then I thought" call to my mother While I am in town I stop to see if an MSF class is being taught at Virginia Highlands CC. Yes! I get to have a quick visit with some of my favorite instructors/schools and hit the road again. I-81 ends at I-40 and I take it East I-40 between 81 and Waynesville NC goes through the Blue Ridge at the legal 55 (trucks 50) it is a nice scenic road, but there is a speed that makes it fun, it is dark, I cannot see the scenery anyhow... Oh and it is late, I "need" to hurry, ya that is right, canM-bM-^@M-^Yt keep mom up, donM-bM-^@M-^Yt want her to worry. WHOOO HAAA! That is over quickly... Turn onto 276 to 19 to Maggie Valley 19 gets narrow and twisty between Maggie and Cherokee but during tourist season it is just sloooowwww going with the smell of burning brakes wafting in the cool mountain air. Damn, the funkills are widening it, destroying the character of the road, even slow I like it, and in the off season it is a blast to ride but that is about to end, sad really. Into Cherokee, past the casino. The casino has really changed Cherokee, in the end casinos are all alike. But the "old" town is still there and everyone should visit at least once it is the most "classless" place I have ever seen and I do not mean that in the "society" way--- I mean TACKY! Great place! Head for Moms, arrive at 11 or so PM. Quick hellos/visit, bed, day one over. Day two, visit Mom, relax, AHHHHHH!! Day three, Mom goes to church, I try to go to mine but it is full of heathen cage drivers and "worship" is postponed. There are a few worth while places in Cherokee and I head to one of my favorites "Talking Leaves" a bookstore that specializes in legitimate Indian books, tapes, and a few odds and ends of NOT "made in China" things. I wind up spending over $40 on two books on Sequoyah (If you ever want a story of a real honest to god genius overcoming unbelievable odds to create something truly remarkable study Sequoyah sometime, he is one of my heroes) and a Cherokee language tape, kind of a "Conversational Cherokee" thingy. If you want to find the store sometime it is between the KFC and Long John Silvers seafood shop, crazy... Head back to Moms place to drop off the tape, donM-bM-^@M-^Yt want it to fry. Mom is home so I eat lunch and head out to Natahalla gorge, lovely ride overhung with trees following a whitewater river. I stop to sit, read a bit in one of my new books and watch rafters and kayakers getting wet in the rapids below. (On one of our first trips together Angela and I went rafting here. When we got back to out campsite she wrote to a friend "It was cold, wet, and miserable, John loved it." that became one of our catchphrases.) Day four, One of the things I really want to do is ride up a visit Johnson City and East Tennessee State University, as the crow flies it is about 150mi. away, I ainM-bM-^@M-^Yt no damn crow. Ride up to the start of the Blue Ridge Parkway, unlike yesterday when it was full of blaspheming cagers there are very few cars up here today (The BRP has been my favorite place on earth for many years, if I have a "center" or natural "home place" this is it) I love riding up here and have been needing it after driving in the traffic and hassle of DC. I just ride to the Waynesville exit (enough to "re-center") go on to Ashville and up 19/23 to Johnson City. Stop at ETSU and find no one I wanted to see so I ride over to the motorcycle shop, I need a new pair of gloves, I bought the last pair there. I also "need" a headlight bulb, one of mine quit while riding the fun part of I-40, (thank heavens the ST has 2, THAT would have been exciting.) Visit the nice folks there (they still remember me) and ride back to the school. This time I have more luck and find the director of the theater dept. arriving at his office. We have a great time catching up (I work in theater), he lets me have some copies of photos of shows I was in while there. Great visit. Ride home I-181 to I-81 to I-40 (the fun part) and back to MomM-bM-^@M-^Ys. About 400mi. more or less. Day 4, home. I head out at about 9am. no hurry, I plan to go over the pass through the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, to 40, 81, 66, home, yea right. I ride through the park, early enough that the tourists are not yet thick so it is not really bad (This road is another one that is much more fun in the off season) I only find myself behind a few morons that do not have enough sense to use the pull outs to get the hell out of the way, (it is the LAW up here) I love the power of the ST up here, it makes short work of them (yellow lines? I donM-bM-^@M-^Yt see no stinking yellow lines!) I do come up on one type of slowpoke that really gets my goat, A BIKE! and this guy is really crawling, I seriously think about pulling alongside and "discussing" the situation with him but think better of it. (NOTE I do not care at all what speed you ride or drive up here REALLY, but if cars/bikes start to pile up behind you PULL THE HELL OVER! I did it when I first started riding these roads, and I expect you to do it.) Anyhow now I screw up royally. I take what looks like a shortcut, well not a shortcut, but a fun way up to I-40, remember when I said I forgot my maps? BAD JOHN!! I wind up totally lost, it is really a nice ride and I do not really care because I know it must eventually lead to I-40. After nearly 4 hours and a new map I wind up 3 or 4 miles from where I started. DAMN! I nearly go back to MomM-bM-^@M-^Ys for the night, but decide that I can still make it today if I take no more "shortcuts" I take 19 to 276 to I-40..... 700mi. home at 11:00pm. Tired and happy. I needed that. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 10:45:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CEj1218868; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:45:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <117.12db590c.2a38b84b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:44:27 EDT Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/7/2002 4:46:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Rain is a riding challenge to be met. Be smooth, do > what MSF taught you. I was teaching a class once and could see rain coming down the road. Ran the exercise a couple of extra laps just to give them the experience of rain #:-} > John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 10:48:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CEmGX18966; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:48:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:48:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 14:48:05.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[2912B320:01C21220] When I took my MSF Test on the last day it was pouring. We were drenched, but I was glad to take the test during the downpour 'cause it got the jitters outta the way. >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:44:27 EDT > >In a message dated 6/7/2002 4:46:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >sdave@XXXXXX >writes: > > > Rain is a riding challenge to be met. Be smooth, do > > what MSF taught you. > >I was teaching a class once and could see rain coming down the road. Ran >the >exercise a couple of extra laps just to give them the experience of rain >#:-} > > > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >Honda ST1100X Pan European > (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European > is now necessary {and I still like it.}) >BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 10:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CEpvY19134; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:51:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612145154.9760.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:51:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Pacific Coast GW commuter??? To: Paul Wilson , Larry Larson Cc: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <000b01c2121c$602f6be0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm fairly certain that dc-cycles is a miniscule faction of the dc-area motorcycle riders.... and i'm not sure i've ever seen a "was that a lister?" post answered in the affirmative. harry: what is the dcc membership? anybody know of an estimate for the number of m/c riders in the dc area? --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I think this rider (Black PC, lime green vest) and I have > been exchanging > waves on the GW Pkwy. between Slater's Lane and 395 many > a morning for the > past three years. This rider is definitely of the "all > weather" variety. > If you're on here, I'm the southbound GW commuter who's > been riding an > assortment of Hondas (CB750, VFR, VF500F) for the past > three years. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > www.wilsonline.org > Join the VFR750 list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Larson" > > > > Speaking of which, a black PC with a pilot in a > reflective riding suit > > turned from Rt. 1 northbound in Alexandria onto E. > Monroe Ave. at > > about 6:10 this evening. A lister? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 10:53:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CEr9W19237; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:53:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Wynn, Brad" To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: Question re Clubs... Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:57:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi all, newbie here. I was wondering if any you belong to any local clubs? How do you like them, and any that you recommend? Thanks! -Brad W From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 10:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CEwvc19420; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:58:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612104404.03f44638@winters.cc> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:54:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Pacific Coast??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:29 AM 6/12/2002, Doug Allis wrote: >Not me. Mine's red. Parked at HHS on 3rd St SW? Saw a red one there yesterday. I test drove a used one of these last year. Not a bad ride at all. That and the fact that it can be cleaned up in about 3 minutes with a garden hose makes for a great commuter. :-) Resale prices seem to stay pretty high. The one I test drove was *not* a "hands off" bike. It had a front end shimmy at about 30mph that magnified itself very quickly if not steadied. Could have been a tire issue, I guess. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 10:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CExw319543; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:59:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <76.1d9d7334.2a38bbd2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:59:30 EDT Subject: Re: "Drive much" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/9/2002 8:33:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > But I let it slide, and > continue home, giggling all the way... Oh he heard every giggle loud and clear, all the way home. gotta love it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 11:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CF46319745; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:04:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <110.13885d34.2a38bcd8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:03:52 EDT Subject: Re: first long ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/9/2002 9:26:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, simon_weiss69@XXXXXX writes: > My back wa! > s aching, Aspirin Whatever Analgesic you use for a headache will work on an ass ache as well. John, who still has Alleve in his system from yesterday. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 11:42:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CFg6J20712; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:42:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004901c21228$28481680$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Larry Larson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020612145154.9760.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pacific Coast GW commuter??? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:32:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well I could ask also about the gentleman on the double naught yellow VFR (don't even need to look, the exhaust note is unmistakable) that comes down Cameron St. past the office every day about 5. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > i'm fairly certain that dc-cycles is a miniscule faction of > the dc-area motorcycle riders.... and i'm not sure i've > ever seen a "was that a lister?" post answered in the > affirmative. > > harry: what is the dcc membership? anybody know of an > estimate for the number of m/c riders in the dc area? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 11:44:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CFi0D20821; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:44:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:36:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200206121536.g5CFaiD13707@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Kimmel_Brian@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Update on Papa Laura updated us - I know most of you don't know him, but I am sending this out because you are all motorcycle riders and we're all a family. Papa is still in critical condition in the ICU at washington hospital center. It is possible, although we are all trying to remain positive and hopefull, that he will be paralyzed. He broke his C5 and C6, which control the movement of your arms and legs. Papa is a wonderful, kind, incredible man...and this is an extremely tough time for him, his fiance, his family and his friends. I am not trying to start a religious debate, but please, please put them in your prayers. If you worship rocks, then pray to the dang rocks that they all get through this. We need all the prayers we can get right now. [Dave] Laura, thanks for the update. All my best wishes. -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 11:37:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CFbcn20589; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:37:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:37:00 EDT Subject: Re: Greetings, all To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/10/2002 8:37:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > You got me thinking Brit, maybe I'll warm up a beer in the > microwave! As I understand it you shove a hot poker into the beer to heat it. You have to nuke the poker first. Of couse I could be wrong (about this.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 11:45:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CFjqS20961; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:45:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612154541.92236.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:45:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Pacific Coast GW commuter??? To: Paul Wilson , Larry Larson Cc: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <004901c21228$28481680$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Well I could ask also about the gentleman on the double > naught yellow VFR > (don't even need to look, the exhaust note is > unmistakable) that comes down > Cameron St. past the office every day about 5. :) let me answer for you: "not a lister" and for the two, yes, two, blue fz-1s i see in bethesda regularly (one ridden by a chick), the answer: "not listers" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > > > > i'm fairly certain that dc-cycles is a miniscule > faction of > > the dc-area motorcycle riders.... and i'm not sure i've > > ever seen a "was that a lister?" post answered in the > > affirmative. > > > > harry: what is the dcc membership? anybody know of an > > estimate for the number of m/c riders in the dc area? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 11:55:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CFtXr21237; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:55:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:48:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200206121548.g5CFmG519737@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: This and that Noobie Marc from across the pond barraged us with - Thanks to everyone who said hello! I have no idea about the netiquette for a mailing-list that I read digested once per day. Is it OK reply in one go to everyone who copied their emails to the group? [Dave] snippage is good. THanks for not calling the mail message 'DCC digest for....' I don't think you'll hurt anyone's feelings doing a mass digest reply... ... As for the MSF course -- I know that the Basic Course might be, well, too basic -- but it leads automatically to motorcycle licensing in Maryland, which is otherwise tricky unless I could sort out insurance on my UK license to borrow someone's bike to take the test! [Dave] Hey, you might actually LEARN something if you're not careful ! And I know late July is an eternity away, but it's very tricky for me to get to anywhere that's outside the Metro area, since I currently depend entirely on metrorail and bus to get around... [Dave] Dude. You *NEED* a motorcycle YESTERDAY. I'm sure one of us would be able to arrange to legally transport it home for you. And you should be camping out at the MSF classes on standby... 'Death Before Metrorail !' or something like that... I haven't driven or ridden enough in the US to notice many positive points. Some of the things I'm gonna miss: * legal lane-splitting, quite often following or being followed by a police bike; * freeway exits consistently on one side of the road; [Dave] We make you *think* to drive on this side of the pond. ... PS We don't warm beer up, we just don't chill it down. We have no need of deadening the taste buds as it slides past. [Dave] it's 'cool' not 'cold'... Having not visited the UK, what are some of the finer beverages from there you might reccomend ? Dave -- Marc Read **** marc@XXXXXX / marcread@XXXXXX ( -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 11:57:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CFvmo21420; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:57:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <64.206c5119.2a38c96c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:57:32 EDT Subject: Re: This and that To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/12/2002 6:59:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marcread@XXXXXX writes: > I'm sure you wouldn't try to use reason or logic > with someone in that frame of mind! NEVER use reason or logic when buying a bike! You will be disappointed every time. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 12:03:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CG3eq21650; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:03:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612160129.46884.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: This and that To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <64.206c5119.2a38c96c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 6/12/2002 6:59:44 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > marcread@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm sure you wouldn't try to use reason or logic > > with someone in that frame of mind! > > NEVER use reason or logic when buying a bike! You will be > disappointed every > time. no shit! you may end up with a pacific coast! ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 12:06:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CG6Nt21830; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:06:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200206121606.g5CG6L721326@kiri.meretrix.com> To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Pacific Coast GW commuter??? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:51:54 PDT." <20020612145154.9760.qmail@XXXXXX> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <21324.1023897981.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:06:21 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX >harry: what is the dcc membership? anybody know of an >estimate for the number of m/c riders in the dc area? Searching around on google coughed up something from 1993 (referenced in various pieces of motorcyling propaganda with very authoritative-sounding numbers) that claims (in the neighborhood of) 1k motorcycle registrations in DC, 50k in MD, and 60k in VA. So adjusting for change in motorcyclist population since 1993, then adjusting for motorcyclist's polygamous tendencies (the number of motorcycles per motorcyclist), then adjusting for the percentage of the above motorcyclists who reside in the DC area itself (rather than distant areas of MD and VA), and then finally picking an official-sounding but otherwise almost completely randomly selected number, you can determine that there are exactly 34128.7 motorcyclists in the DC area. There are about 350 subscribers on the dc-cycles list, therefore the dc-cycles list represents precisely 1.026% of the area motorcyclist population. Creative statistics aside, if you hit the jackpot and manage to successfully identify someone in the 1.026% on the list, there's a 98.6% chance that you will be rewarded with this exchange: "Yeah, that's me." "Oh, okay ... Um, nice bike." "Thanks." -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 12:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CG8Fr21912; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:08:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:07:57 EDT Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/12/2002 10:48:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marcwashington@XXXXXX writes: > When I took my MSF Test on the last day it was pouring. I was watching an Experienced Rider Course (ERC), at one point I stepped out onto the range to catch a cone as it floated by. True story! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 12:13:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CGDoA22122; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:13:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:06:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200206121606.g5CG6at29362@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Question re Clubs... Brad inquired - Hi all, newbie here. [Dave] And, if you don't start posting more, you're going to be classed as a 'Newbie/Lurker' ;-) I was wondering if any you belong to any local clubs? How do you like them, and any that you recommend? [Dave] NRA ? OH - DCC - you mean Biker clubs... Nah... just DC Cycles... Everything else seems so ... formal... ;-) Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 12:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CGEpX22242; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:14:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Pacific Coast GW commuter???(list member sightings?) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:15:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think I've seen one of those FZ1s, yellow helmet? I was wondering if it was George Cole, cuz it had a lower fairing, like his. Same day I was in a car w/ a friend, guy who bought Brian Roberson's old bike, in a car cuz we were toting mountain bikes and Chuck screams by. I say I know that guy from the list, my friend was like you don't know him. I can tell from emails that at least 3 people that park where I park for work are on the list too, guess what, one's a VFR. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:46 AM To: Paul Wilson; Larry Larson Cc: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Pacific Coast GW commuter??? --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Well I could ask also about the gentleman on the double > naught yellow VFR > (don't even need to look, the exhaust note is > unmistakable) that comes down > Cameron St. past the office every day about 5. :) let me answer for you: "not a lister" and for the two, yes, two, blue fz-1s i see in bethesda regularly (one ridden by a chick), the answer: "not listers" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > > > > i'm fairly certain that dc-cycles is a miniscule > faction of > > the dc-area motorcycle riders.... and i'm not sure i've > > ever seen a "was that a lister?" post answered in the > > affirmative. > > > > harry: what is the dcc membership? anybody know of an > > estimate for the number of m/c riders in the dc area? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 12:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CGSSp22639; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:28:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:28:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 16:28:21.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AB73300:01C2122E] Speaking Of the Experienced rider course, has anyone taken it? Pros and Cons? I'm scheduled to take it in July. >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:07:57 EDT > >In a message dated 6/12/2002 10:48:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >marcwashington@XXXXXX writes: > > > When I took my MSF Test on the last day it was pouring. > >I was watching an Experienced Rider Course (ERC), at one point I stepped >out >onto the range to catch a cone as it floated by. > >True story! > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 12:32:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CGWpg22765; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:32:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Wynn, Brad" To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Question re Clubs... Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:36:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, but I am a newbie lurker!! -Brad W -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:07 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Question re Clubs... Brad inquired - Hi all, newbie here. [Dave] And, if you don't start posting more, you're going to be classed as a 'Newbie/Lurker' ;-) I was wondering if any you belong to any local clubs? How do you like them, and any that you recommend? [Dave] NRA ? OH - DCC - you mean Biker clubs... Nah... just DC Cycles... Everything else seems so ... formal... ;-) Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 12:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CGcrk22946; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:38:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612163833.50984.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Question re Clubs... To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200206121606.g5CG6at29362@texas.pop3now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Brad inquired - > > Hi all, newbie here. > > [Dave] And, if you don't start posting more, you're > going to be > classed as a 'Newbie/Lurker' ;-) > > > I was wondering if any you belong to any local clubs? > How do you like them, and any that you recommend? > > [Dave] NRA ? OH - DCC - you mean Biker clubs... Nah... > just DC > Cycles... Everything else seems so ... formal... there is some truth to this. requirement no. 1 for membership in the wsdymfg is that you must be absolutely insane (as judged by a majority of the members). http://www.wsdymfg.org your friend bergie (and yourself, i imagine) would certainly qualify -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 12:53:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CGroB23309; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:53:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612165343.6884.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:53:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh To: dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've taken it. Personally, I think it's only really useful as a follow-up to the beginner course or for folks who know how to ride but haven't done so in a while. If you've been riding daily for several years, I doubt you'll get much out of it. It's more or less just a rehash of a lot of the beginner course exercises, only on your own bike this time. I didn't think I got much out of it, but YMMV. Chris Weaver --- Marc Washington wrote: > Speaking Of the Experienced rider course, has anyone > taken it? Pros and > Cons? I'm scheduled to take it in July. > > > >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: a learning experience -duh > >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:07:57 EDT > > > >In a message dated 6/12/2002 10:48:31 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > >marcwashington@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > When I took my MSF Test on the last day it was > pouring. > > > >I was watching an Experienced Rider Course (ERC), > at one point I stepped > >out > >onto the range to catch a cone as it floated by. > > > >True story! > > > > > >John. > >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > > > > > > Marc Washington > 88' Honda Hawk > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 12:55:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CGtZf23390; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:55:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011101c21232$6ba5fbe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <200206121606.g5CG6L721326@kiri.meretrix.com> Subject: Local Bike stats, was Re: Pacific Coast GW commuter??? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:57:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Tom Gimer" > >harry: what is the dcc membership? anybody know of an > >estimate for the number of m/c riders in the dc area? > finally picking an official-sounding > but otherwise almost completely randomly selected number, > you can determine that there are exactly 34128.7 motorcyclists > in the DC area. > > There are about 350 subscribers on the dc-cycles list, > therefore the dc-cycles list represents precisely 1.026% > of the area motorcyclist population. > How many of these 34,128.7 bikes (I think my old VF must be the 0.7) ever turn a wheel, except every fourth sunny Saturday May through September? It seems to me that the list represents a higher percentage of people who actually ride on a regular basis and are likely to be spotted on the move. Maybe 5%. :) The MSF website has a yearly digest of licensed riders and registration data, by jurisdiction. They have more recent data than 1993. DC has something like 2,400 registered motorcycles, i.e. bikes that get ridden often enough to be worth insuring and going through the DC DMV rigmarole. Where are they all hiding?? Here's the stats from 1999 MD 186,500 licensed operators 48,200 registered bikes DC 16,500 " " 2,400 " " VA 223,000 " " 61,300 " " So if Metro DC represents about 40% of MD's population and NoVa is about 40% of VA's, therefore, I get about 44,000 registered bikes in the region. So, you see there are a *lot* of bikeless endorsement holders out there. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 13:28:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CHSEa24197; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:28:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612172808.52865.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: This and that To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > [Dave] it's 'cool' not 'cold'... Having not visited the UK, what > are some of the finer beverages from there you might reccomend ? So far as what's available around here, you might want to try anything from either Fuller's or Samuel Smith's brewers. They're very good quality and pretty representative of type; not Real Ale, but not conglomerate products either. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 13:35:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CHZYI24490; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:35:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612173531.55479.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:35:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: OT: F1 (not oil!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For any F1 (and Mobil 1 synth) fans in the crowd... http://www.xhost.org/cgp/cgpreport.htm -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 13:35:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CHZpp24529; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:35:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:28:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200206121728.g5CHSae03965@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Question re Clubs... Tom G pointed out that ... requirement no. 1 for membership in the wsdymfg is that you must be absolutely insane (as judged by a majority of the members). http://www.wsdymfg.org your friend bergie (and yourself, i imagine) would certainly qualify [Dave] Thanks Tom... High praise indeed, coming from you. Dave -- tg __________________________________________________ -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 13:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CHcUm24667; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:38:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <028601c21238$dd231e50$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Rob Winters" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612104404.03f44638@winters.cc> Subject: Re: Pacific Coast??? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:41:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >From: "Rob Winters" > > Resale prices seem to stay pretty high. ************************************* That's a big clue. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 13:48:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CHm9M25031; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:48:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020612134329.00b86f48@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:48:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: This and that In-Reply-To: <20020612172808.52865.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:28 AM 6/12/2002 -0700, Larry Larson wrote: > > [Dave] it's 'cool' not 'cold'... Having not >visited the UK, what > > are some of the finer beverages from there you might >reccomend ? > >So far as what's available around here, you might want >to try anything from either Fuller's or Samuel Smith's >brewers. They're very good quality and pretty >representative of type; not Real Ale, but not >conglomerate products either. > >-- Larry Hey Larry, welcome. Hard to believe that now we can get Boddingtons on tap here. It's not *bad* but I heard from some of my UK friends that it's about equal to Budweiser in the UK. I prefer Whitbread ale or Newcastle for everyday ale. FWIW, anyone in the No. Va. area, the Buffalo Wing Factory all week this week, in celebration of opening their new restaurant in Ashburn Village, is offering all the import and local beers at LESS THAN HALF PRICE. Chugged down a Boddingtons and a Newcastle (both 12 oz drafts) for $1.99 ea while scarfing down a few hot wings last night. Also it's bike friendly, you can park up on the sidewalk. When we were there last night, there was an R1, a Suzi of some type, a Harley Deuce, Wideglide, an FXR and a Lowrider parked outside. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 14:10:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CIAuL25527; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:10:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612181053.81779.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:10:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Georgetown Waterfront To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The deal is, it's a gamble. The sundial is supposed to be off limits but the guys that park there are usually posers that are hanging out close enough to move the bikes if someone starts writing tickets. The enforcement is REAL spotty. I usually try to park in the "permit" parking area to the left of the sundial after 5 p.m. when I rarely see enforcement. The whole deal is a racket anyway...on the same side of the street BEFORE they installed the jersey walls, people parked along the vacant lot.. I parked the bike there one day with with seven other buddies on bikes. We all got tickets for parking in a "No Parking" zone even though the only "No Parking" signs where on the opposite side of the street. 6 of the guys went to to the DC traffic court armed with pictures of the parking area in question and the tickets where thrown out. I went to the traffic court with a buddy armed with the same pictures on a Friday a week later...and the magistrate actually postponed judgement "as [she] was running a marathon over the weekend and would run by the area in question and check it for [herself]...and render a verdict on Monday.." We received notification by mail a week later that the tickets would stand and we had to pay the fine. Your DC justice system at work.... -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > What's the deal with parking near the sundial at the > Georgetown Waterfront? > I always see bikes there, but the signs say permit > parking only. Has anyone > ever gotten a ticket there? I've never noticed a > permit on any of the bikes > or cars that park there. > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 14:21:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CILDW25839; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:21:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612141732.024474f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:20:56 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Georgetown Waterfront In-Reply-To: <20020612181053.81779.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:10 PM 6/12/2002, Corbett B wrote: >We received notification by mail a week >later that the tickets would stand and we had to pay >the fine. Your DC justice system at work.... > >-Corbett Not _my_ DC justice system. I have had enough oddball tickets in DC to just about stop driving/riding in the f'ing city. DC Gov't considers parking fines a good revenue source, whether or not the violation is legitimate. Remember a couple of years ago when they got busted for meter maid quotas? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 15:19:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CJJfM26782; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:19:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZQCXVy1qiC5zK9DO4gUdwiKyy5bRL7Scq87pBAXBJ4wjmlbPnuiMffbhPTBTzljQ4= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Question re Clubs... Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020612163833.50984.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> I've heard rumors that completely f-cking insane has been allowed on occasion.... --jon 01 Bandito Grande ----------tg wrote: > there is some truth to this. requirement no. 1 for > membership in the wsdymfg is that you must be absolutely > insane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 15:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CJRWh27009; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:27:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612192729.15937.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Question re Clubs... To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes, sorry.... let me clarify. the minimal threshhold for membership is "absolutely insane." if you want to exceed that threshhold, that's up to you and/or your counselor/therapist/attorney. --- Jon Strang wrote: > I've heard rumors that completely f-cking insane has been > allowed on > occasion.... > > --jon > 01 Bandito Grande > > ----------tg wrote: > > > there is some truth to this. requirement no. 1 for > > membership in the wsdymfg is that you must be > > absolutely insane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 15:46:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CJk6k27465; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:46:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <186.9154872.2a38feeb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:45:47 EDT Subject: Re: Question re Clubs... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/12/2002 3:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > I've heard rumors that completely f-cking insane has been allowed on > occasion.... Allowed? Allowed? Created more like it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 15:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CJwUW27730; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612195828.64361.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: RE: Question re Clubs... To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There's the Potomac Area Road Riders http://www.potomacarearoadriders.org/ or ABATE Alexandria chapter is http://www.designbydon.com/abate/ there are other nva chapters as well; i've been meaning to compile a list of clubs in the DC area; other than these 2 and WSDYMFG are ther others? --- Jon Strang wrote: > I've heard rumors that completely f-cking insane has > been allowed on > occasion.... > > --jon > 01 Bandito Grande > > ----------tg wrote: > > > there is some truth to this. requirement no. 1 > for > > membership in the wsdymfg is that you must be > absolutely > > insane > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 16:55:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CKtiY28700; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:55:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612164957.00ff73a0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:57:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles list From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Pacific Coast GW commuter??? In-Reply-To: <200206121606.g5CG6L721326@kiri.meretrix.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:06 PM 6/12/2002, harry@XXXXXX wrote: >Creative statistics aside, if you hit the jackpot and manage to >successfully identify someone in the 1.026% on the list, there's >a 98.6% chance that you will be rewarded with this exchange: > "Yeah, that's me." > "Oh, okay ... Um, nice bike." > "Thanks." Probably, but the remaining 1.4% might be considering buying a PC, and specifically want to see how the black finish holds up. Especially if it lives in my neighborhood, which is where I saw it. 8;) And for tg, monetary value aside, some of us might have sufficiently creaky old joints to prefer the practicality of a PC to anything Ducati sells. But I've gotta confess, if the shithead teenaged sales people at PowerSlime Woodbridge had even been willing to take the time of day to quote me a price on the MH900E they had sitting on the floor, odds are good I'd have bought it on the spot and suffered for a good long time. 8;) 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 19:36:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CNasu01849; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:36:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:37:11 -0400 From: Marc Read Subject: Beer, glorious beer In-reply-to: <200206122300.g5CN01d00921@dirty.meretrix.com> To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U () References: <200206122300.g5CN01d00921@dirty.meretrix.com> Wow, I feel right at home here. I make two posts vaguely connected to bikes, and my third is all about beer. This is a good reflection of the way my mind works; now somebody just has to mention geeky video games and I'll fall over in happiness. (NeverWinter Nights, anyone?) OK... > >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >As I understand it you shove a hot poker into the beer to heat it. >You have to nuke the poker first. >Of couse I could be wrong (about this.) This is an uncommon (but not unheard of) Christmastime sort of thing to do. More often, the poker is applied to cheap red wine, spiced with nutmeg, cloves & orange -- "mulled wine", very refreshing on a cold winter's day, rather like the German gluhwein. And drinkable in huge quantities since much of the alcohol boils away. Yummy. >From: Larry Larson >Subject: Re: This and that >So far as what's available around here, you might want >to try anything from either Fuller's or Samuel Smith's >brewers. They're very good quality and pretty >representative of type; not Real Ale, but not >conglomerate products either. > >-- Larry > >From: Aki Damme >Subject: Re: This and that > >Hey Larry, welcome. Hard to believe that now we can get Boddingtons >on tap here. It's not *bad* but I heard from some of my UK friends that >it's about equal to Budweiser in the UK. > >I prefer Whitbread ale or Newcastle for everyday ale. > Sam Smith's do a good pint. Fuller's can be nice on tap ("London Pride" is great, the others so-so). Boddingtons ("Boddies"), Whitbread, and Newcastle ("Newkie Broon") are all seen as high-volume low-flavor cheap drinks in the UK -- but dependable, in a country where some of the local beers can be very strange indeed. (The world's best marketing success must be Bass; it's very much a working-class cheap'n'cheerful drink in England -- nothing wrong with that! -- but here it's marketed as upscale!) Theakston's used to be an excellent brewer -- I know you can get their "Old Peculier" [sic] over here -- but they've gone downhill after being bought by a big megacorp. About my favorite Brit Beer that I've seen on this side of the Pond is "Old Speckled Hen," from Morland -- though it's not as nice as the specially reinforced variation, "Hen's Teeth." If anyone sees that locally, let me know? Oh yeah. Bikes. >From: >[Dave] snippage is good. >[Dave] Dude. You *NEED* a motorcycle YESTERDAY. I'm sure one of >us would be able to arrange to legally transport it home for you. >And you should be camping out at the MSF classes on standby... >'Death Before Metrorail !' or something like that... Unfortunately it's a little more complicated than that. I've Got An Understanding with my wife that I'll spend the Summer doing Stuff. We both know that if I get a bike this side of September, that won't happen. Ah well... Cheers! M -- Marc Read **** marc@XXXXXX / marcread@XXXXXX (home) marc_read@XXXXXX (work) **** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 19:44:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CNiEK02007; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:44:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020612234404.9017.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Question re Clubs... To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <186.9154872.2a38feeb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 6/12/2002 3:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > > > I've heard rumors that completely f-cking insane has > been allowed on > > occasion.... > > Allowed? Allowed? > Created more like it. no.... one must be insane to join. if it becomes apparent that a new member was not in fact insane prior to joining, he or she is immediately flogged and removed. ;) all kidding aside, there ain't a single member who doesn't/didn't (there are some members who are currently bikeless) consistently display absolute respect for their machine and the other riders.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 19:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5CNxS302384; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:59:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:59:15 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: marcread@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beer, glorious beer Message-ID: <01123C19.490BE9C6.1056E6D9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not up on current video games. I still own an original Nintendo 64. ;-) I'm pretty much "old school". Give me PacMan, Centipede or Asteroids anyday. LOL Scooter In a message dated Wed, 12 Jun 2002 7:37:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcread@XXXXXX writes: > > > Wow, I feel right at home here. I make two posts vaguely connected to > bikes, and my third is all about beer. This is a good reflection of the > way my mind works; now somebody just has to mention geeky video games > and I'll fall over in happiness. (NeverWinter Nights, anyone?) > > OK... > > > >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > >As I understand it you shove a hot poker into the beer to heat it. > >You have to nuke the poker first. > >Of couse I could be wrong (about this.) > > This is an uncommon (but not unheard of) Christmastime sort of thing to > do. More often, the poker is applied to cheap red wine, spiced with > nutmeg, cloves & orange -- "mulled wine", very refreshing on a cold > winter's day, rather like the German gluhwein. And drinkable in huge > quantities since much of the alcohol boils away. Yummy. > > > >From: Larry Larson > >Subject: Re: This and that > > >So far as what's available around here, you might want > >to try anything from either Fuller's or Samuel Smith's > >brewers. They're very good quality and pretty > >representative of type; not Real Ale, but not > >conglomerate products either. > > > >-- Larry > > > >From: Aki Damme > >Subject: Re: This and that > > > >Hey Larry, welcome. Hard to believe that now we can get Boddingtons > >on tap here. It's not *bad* but I heard from some of my UK friends that > >it's about equal to Budweiser in the UK. > > > >I prefer Whitbread ale or Newcastle for everyday ale. > > > Sam Smith's do a good pint. Fuller's can be nice on tap ("London Pride" > is great, the others so-so). Boddingtons ("Boddies"), Whitbread, and > Newcastle ("Newkie Broon") are all seen as high-volume low-flavor cheap > drinks in the UK -- but dependable, in a country where some of the local > beers can be very strange indeed. (The world's best marketing success > must be Bass; it's very much a working-class cheap'n'cheerful drink in > England -- nothing wrong with that! -- but here it's marketed as > upscale!) > > Theakston's used to be an excellent brewer -- I know you can get their > "Old Peculier" [sic] over here -- but they've gone downhill after being > bought by a big megacorp. About my favorite Brit Beer that I've seen on > this side of the Pond is "Old Speckled Hen," from Morland -- though it's > not as nice as the specially reinforced variation, "Hen's Teeth." If > anyone sees that locally, let me know? > > Oh yeah. Bikes. > > >From: > > >[Dave] snippage is good. > > > >[Dave] Dude. You *NEED* a motorcycle YESTERDAY. I'm sure one of > >us would be able to arrange to legally transport it home for you. > >And you should be camping out at the MSF classes on standby... > >'Death Before Metrorail !' or something like that... > > Unfortunately it's a little more complicated than that. I've Got An > Understanding with my wife that I'll spend the Summer doing Stuff. We > both know that if I get a bike this side of September, that won't > happen. Ah well... > > Cheers! > > M > -- > Marc Read > **** marc@XXXXXX / marcread@XXXXXX > (home) > marc_read@XXXXXX (work) **** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 20:14:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D0E6c02695; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:14:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B770@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'marcread@XXXXXX'" Subject: This and that Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:18:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Marc Read revealed, " . . . I have an overwhelming urge to buy a Brand New Bike simply because I *can* (what with grad school and one thing and another it's the first time both I and my wife have respectable incomes). I'm sure you wouldn't try to use reason or logic with someone in that frame of mind!" A new MC is fairly cheap. But why not try a used bike?: 1. It'd be less of a loss if your lack of experience smudges it. 2. Cheaper insurance. 3. After a year, you'll have a better idea of what you really want and trade in the used bike for little loss. After a year under your butt maybe you'll really want a Duc or Goose, Maybe a Harley :^) Maybe your style will turn out to be: cruzing the city, the twisties, or a highway couch. The Concours is a great bike for a lot of things. Plus, it's has good internet support . . . and you can tell your own foot-peg story one day. But, you could likely pick up a used one -- with free farkles -- for a reasonable price. "As for the MSF course -- I know that the Basic Course might be, well, too basic -- but it leads automatically to motorcycle licensing in Maryland," And it offers some great street survival skills. A Good Thing (TM) so you can enjoy the second year. "I haven't driven or ridden enough in the US to notice many positive points. Some of the things I'm gonna miss: * freeway exits consistently on one side of the road" Yeah, Must be those Hokie engineers :^) "* idiot-proof signposting." There's no such thing, idiot resistant maybe, but nuttin's idiot proof. "Oh, something that's a mixed blessing over there: * absurdly well-trained police bikers riding nothing less agile than an ST1100." Ummm, you've not yet met some St'ers with ground down pegs. "PS We don't warm beer up, we just don't chill it down. We have no need of deadening the taste buds as it slides past." If it's Bud-Budlight-Miller-MillerLite, your taste buds are missing naught. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 20:21:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D0LqD02911; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:21:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:21:35 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Message-ID: <71154D5F.5C672894.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I put together a Tentative Trip Itinerary. Its based on all the emails I've read. Please feel free to add your input. 9:30-9:45: meet me at TysonM-bM-^@M-^Ys Corner Mall in the Circuit City Parking Lot 10:00-10:45: meet the other riders at Mobil in Cascades Town Ctr. This is just off of Rt 7 in Sterling. 10:45: Leave for Harper Ferry we are taking the long scenic way. 12:00-1:00: Eat Lunch 1:00: Tour Harpers Ferry, take Pictures 2:00 Huddle Club. Or you can leave with the group thatM-bM-^@M-^Ys leaving early 3:00 on: head homeM-bM-^@M-& or we can stay longer -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 20:28:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D0SXt03088; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:28:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612201604.0100c2e8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:30:21 -0400 To: Marc Read , DC Cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Beer, glorious beer In-Reply-To: References: <200206122300.g5CN01d00921@dirty.meretrix.com> <200206122300.g5CN01d00921@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:37 PM 6/12/2002, Marc Read wrote: >Sam Smith's do a good pint. Fuller's can be nice on tap ("London Pride" is >great, the others so-so). Boddingtons ("Boddies"), Whitbread, and >Newcastle ("Newkie Broon") are all seen as high-volume low-flavor cheap >drinks in the UK -- but dependable, in a country where some of the local >beers can be very strange indeed. (The world's best marketing success must >be Bass; it's very much a working-class cheap'n'cheerful drink in England >-- nothing wrong with that! -- but here it's marketed as upscale!) > >Theakston's used to be an excellent brewer -- I know you can get their >"Old Peculier" [sic] over here -- but they've gone downhill after being >bought by a big megacorp. About my favorite Brit Beer that I've seen on >this side of the Pond is "Old Speckled Hen," from Morland -- though it's >not as nice as the specially reinforced variation, "Hen's Teeth." If >anyone sees that locally, let me know? Fuller's "London Pride" is available here in (I think) 500ml bottles, in bottle-conditioned form. So is the Rams Head. Yes, I used to love the Old Peculier (no [sic] necessary; the spelling is correct 8;) ) in the wide-mouthed bottles. When they sold out, they switched to the narrow-mouthed bottles and lost some character as well. Whitbread is a decent ale. Newcastle is very close to our Brooklyn Brown Ale -- pleasant, but not hopped enough for my taste, almost like a Dutch Ould Bruin. Bass too I find good -- an above average ale. Old Speckled Hen is frequently available in Alexandria at Rick's Wines on Duke Street, at Total Wine, and at Sutton Place. Hen's Teeth I've only seen at dba in New York. My European friends always seem to want to drink Buttwiper when they come over here -- I've never understood that. Especially since it's now much easier to find excellent ales in the US than in the UK. And for some reason, the UK is still trying to come up with an excellent indigenous lager -- why? (Question of the modern day: why is there lager?) For my money, if I had to choose only one brew to drink for the rest of my life, it would be Anchor Steam, closely followed by a whole bunch of US IPAs, porters, and stouts; and by Chimay, Corsendonk, Affligem, La Chouffe, or almost any Belgian dubbel. And of course, in keeping with my heritage, "Every Man Needs Brains." >Oh yeah. Bikes. The biggest bike problem is that when I'm riding, I can only have one ale. Or one whisky instead. >Unfortunately it's a little more complicated than that. I've Got An >Understanding with my wife that I'll spend the Summer doing Stuff. We both >know that if I get a bike this side of September, that won't happen. Ah well... "Understanding" and "wife" in the same sentence! Talk about futility... 8;) Regards, Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 20:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D0mid03458; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:48:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000f01c21273$897ced40$b300a8c0@frbgva.adelphia.net> Reply-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , References: <71154D5F.5C672894.001912B6@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re:Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:44:54 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Where exactly is the Circuit City parking lot located? Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re:Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 > I put together a Tentative Trip Itinerary. Its based on all the emails I've read. Please feel free to add your input. > > 9:30-9:45: meet me at TysonM-bM-^@M-^Ys Corner Mall in the Circuit City Parking Lot > 10:00-10:45: meet the other riders at Mobil in Cascades Town Ctr. This is just off of Rt 7 in Sterling. > 10:45: Leave for Harper Ferry we are taking the long scenic way. > 12:00-1:00: Eat Lunch > 1:00: Tour Harpers Ferry, take Pictures > 2:00 Huddle Club. Or you can leave with the group thatM-bM-^@M-^Ys leaving early > 3:00 on: head homeM-bM-^@M-& or we can stay longer > > -Mark > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 20:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D0rZ303593; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:53:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613005333.80889.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Beer, glorious beer To: marcread@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01123C19.490BE9C6.1056E6D9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Name an Arcade machine you want and I know someone that can probably get it. Steve '01 YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 20:56:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D0uaa03692; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:56:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613005622.69867.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re:Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: STmaven@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <71154D5F.5C672894.001912B6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This sounds like a plan to me. Steve 01'YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 21:11:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D1BOT04032; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:11:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:10:51 EDT Subject: Battletrax this Sunday To: DCBRAG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Bob@XXXXXX, SMRACING1@XXXXXX, zoojim@XXXXXX, yzf750@XXXXXX, TBolt96@XXXXXX, trbass@XXXXXX, wrfc@XXXXXX, holdon@XXXXXX, tstryer@XXXXXX, dwankel@XXXXXX, SilverBuell@XXXXXX, jord.s@XXXXXX, 1hunglo@XXXXXX, SilverMastiff@XXXXXX, BuellBoyS1@XXXXXX, tgroghan@XXXXXX, Vinsat@XXXXXX, bueller@XXXXXX, RamseyAlexander@XXXXXX, Benselig@XXXXXX, BILLTHOMSONOC@XXXXXX, Write1tous@XXXXXX, rsundman@XXXXXX, ghedrick@XXXXXX, turnagain@XXXXXX, tom@XXXXXX, smaldonebt@XXXXXX, bob@XXXXXX, qqcs1@XXXXXX, BarbieQrides@XXXXXX, CZpurple@XXXXXX, ONYORT@XXXXXX, sfox35@XXXXXX, marutis@XXXXXX, pzfam94@XXXXXX, MSDES79@XXXXXX, richardgray1@XXXXXX, Wittbitt@XXXXXX, dambae@XXXXXX, BOYFAT23@XXXXXX, cdg3y@XXXXXX, jahaynes@XXXXXX, uncleron@XXXXXX, scottdl@XXXXXX, CBEALS@XXXXXX, tom.d'amico@XXXXXX, Ptah139@XXXXXX, chevyls6@XXXXXX, redbuell@XXXXXX, dooley_kyle@XXXXXX, Buellboysx1@XXXXXX, BestPS@XXXXXX, bwheeler@XXXXXX, gabrielsonch@XXXXXX, jb00709421@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 >From 9 am to 5 pm, Battlefield HD/Buell in Gettysburg, PA Check out www.battletrax.com for info and photos I'll be leading a ride meeting at the Target on Rt. 1 in Alexandria at 7:30 am, to get there by or before 9 am. Should be a lot of fun. Jose From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 22:06:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D26Oo05087; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:06:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Beer, glorious beer Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:05:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c2127e$d9ed9300$2c84c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612201604.0100c2e8@mail.9netave.com> Larry contributed - Fuller's "London Pride" is available here in (I think) 500ml bottles, in bottle-conditioned form. So is the Rams Head. [Dave] Confirmed, Fuller's is readily available at Total Beverage... Incidentally, the Rams Head Tavern in Annapolis is supposed to have a large (in the hundreds) selection of beers... MMMMMMMMMMM...... BEER..... Yes, I used to love the Old Peculier (no [sic] necessary; the spelling is correct 8;) ) in the wide-mouthed bottles. When they sold out, they switched to the narrow-mouthed bottles and lost some character as well. Whitbread is a decent ale. Newcastle is very close to our Brooklyn Brown Ale -- pleasant, but not hopped enough for my taste, almost like a Dutch Ould Bruin. Bass too I find good -- an above average ale. [Dave] Agreed on all counts. My European friends always seem to want to drink Buttwiper when they come over here -- I've never understood that. Especially since it's now much easier to find excellent ales in the US than in the UK. [Dave] One of the best Porters I've ever bought (as opposed to made myself, which still ranks as number 1) was "Flag Porter", bought at Total Beverage on Duke Street... haven't seen it since... The locals have some good stuff - Dominion Ale / Black & tan, Wild Goose Porter & Amber and a few more... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 12 22:32:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D2Wre05553; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:32:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612221839.010125e8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:34:43 -0400 To: "Dave Yates" , "'DC Cycles'" From: Larry Larson Subject: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) In-Reply-To: <000901c2127e$d9ed9300$2c84c0cf@nih.gov> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612201604.0100c2e8@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:05 PM 6/12/2002, Dave Yates wrote: >... The locals have some good stuff - Dominion Ale / Black & tan, Wild >Goose Porter & >Amber and a few more... I like Wild Goose, especially the IPA, but in general I think they've fallen a few notches since they were acquired. The Hempen Ale brewed by Goose's current owner, Frederick Brewing, was (is?) quite tasty. My favorite local is Tupper's Hop Pocket, great stuff. Almost as zappy as Anchor's Liberty Ale, which is the hoppiest brew I've ever come across, anywhere in the world. For lagers, DeGroens in Baltimore produces some really good, flavorful darker brews. You used to be able to buy DeGroens growlers in Sutton Place; don't know if you still can. Now Dominion I can't stand. They brew all the house brews for just about every restaurant in NoVa, and they're all wimpy dog piss, and have taken good taps away from much better brews in some of my favorite places. IMO, the only decent thing Dominion has ever made was their very first Millenium (nothing to do with the millenium year; it was their thousandth batch brewed, back around 94-95?), which was beautifully dark, rich and hoppy. They've never approached that level of excellence since. It's always nice to receive the latest Malt Advocate magazine among the biking rags. Ya gotta be balanced about these things: Beer and whisky, bikes. Bikes, beer and whisky. There. -- Larry (whose garage refrigerator includes Anchor and Sierra Nevada Christmas brews back to 1987...all still excellent, still evolving. 8;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 00:13:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D4Dji07136; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:13:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613001104.02050b38@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:13:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: thought you'd get a chuckle... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed from the dc.general newsgroup with subject: "bikers at rockville barnes and noble" from: yuenmiao@XXXXXX (miao yuen) posted: 6/12/2002 10:07pm just curious if anybody knows about this. what is up with all the bikers there? anybody know when and how often they seem to congregate and what the hell they do there? from the looks of it they look like a bunch of spoiled kids who have got nothing better to do. anyway, whatever. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 00:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5D4Sbl07419; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:28:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613002753.02084150@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:28:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Beer, glorious beer In-Reply-To: <20020613005333.80889.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <01123C19.490BE9C6.1056E6D9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:53 PM 6/12/2002 -0700, Steven Burrow wrote: >Name an Arcade machine you want and I know someone >that can probably get it. >Steve >'01 YZF600R "Lawman" pinball game circa '71. Been looking for that pinball game for 20 years...No luck. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 07:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DB02t13485; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:00:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Marc Read , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Beer, glorious beer Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:59:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200206122300.g5CN01d00921@dirty.meretrix.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0206130659501I.32024@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 12 June 2002 19:37, Marc Read wrote: > Wow, I feel right at home here. I make two posts vaguely connected to > bikes, and my third is all about beer. This is a good reflection of the > way my mind works; now somebody just has to mention geeky video games > and I'll fall over in happiness. (NeverWinter Nights, anyone?) > > OK... > A group of us on a different list do LAN gaming parties. Mainly Starcraft and Red Alert II but on occasion we'll run Diablo II and Carmageddon. I can't think off hand of any others we've run lately. We got started by running Command & Conquer at work. After being yelled at, we started getting together at my place. When some of the regulars left, I set up a mailing list at yahoogroups called NASAGeeks so that the folks who left can continue to attend. I'm getting ready to send out another note for a gaming party, probably in July. ObBikes: It's halfway through the month (plus or minus). My bike is supposed to be here by the end of the month. It's a tough wait. With my riding and waiting, one of my fellow travellers at the Woodbridge VRE is starting to haunt Patriot HD looking for a tourer. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 08:16:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DCGDA14710; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:16:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613121603.66310.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) To: Larry Larson , Dave Yates , "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612221839.010125e8@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If they are in the fridge they have stoppped evolving. Glenn --- Larry Larson wrote: > -- Larry (whose garage refrigerator includes Anchor > and Sierra Nevada > Christmas brews back to 1987...all still excellent, > still evolving. 8;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 08:22:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DCMBn14870; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:22:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:14:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200206131214.g5DCEdF30613@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: thought you'd get a chuckle... Aki baits us, like Dysart with the brake thread - from the dc.general newsgroup with subject: "bikers at rockville barnes and noble" from: yuenmiao@XXXXXX (miao yuen) posted: 6/12/2002 10:07pm just curious if anybody knows about this. what is up with all the bikers there? anybody know when and how often they seem to congregate and what the hell they do there? [Dave] What's with all the bookworm, nerd types at B&N anyway? just curious... -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 08:25:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DCPm414964; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:25:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613082448.0259deb0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:25:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: thought you'd get a chuckle... In-Reply-To: <200206131214.g5DCEdF30613@texas.pop3now.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:14 AM 6/13/2002 -0400, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >Aki baits us, like Dysart with the brake thread - > > >from the dc.general newsgroup with subject: > >"bikers at rockville barnes and noble" > >from: yuenmiao@XXXXXX (miao yuen) posted: 6/12/2002 10:07pm > > >just curious if anybody knows about this. what is up with all the >bikers there? anybody know when and how often they seem to >congregate and what the hell they do there? > >[Dave] What's with all the bookworm, nerd types at B&N anyway? > >just curious... seriously I wasn't intending to bait anyone. I just thought it was funny that some guy was posting in the dc.general newsgroup complaining about those heathen bikers hanging out at the B&N. >-- >Sponsored by: >Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? >Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? >Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! >http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 08:30:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DCUWg15199; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:30:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:27:52 -0400 From: Marc Read Subject: Replies to my critics In-reply-to: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B770@DCHQCLEXHQ> To: DC Cycles Message-id: <$hpVHsCI$IC9Ew4q@rauko.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U () References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B770@DCHQCLEXHQ> "Custer, Carl" writes: >Marc Read revealed, >I'm sure you wouldn't try to >use reason or logic with someone in that frame of mind!" >A new MC is fairly cheap. But why not try a used bike?: >1. It'd be less of a loss if your lack of experience smudges it. >2. Cheaper insurance. >3. After a year, you'll have a better idea of what you really want and trade >in the used bike for little loss. Reason and logic, reason and logic! Larry Larson writes: >My European friends always seem to want to drink Buttwiper when they >come over here -- I've never understood that. Especially since it's now >much easier to find excellent ales in the US than in the UK. And for some >reason, the UK is still trying to come up with an excellent indigenous >lager -- why? (Question of the modern day: why is there lager?) For my >money, if I had to choose only one brew to drink for the rest of my life, it >would be Anchor Steam, closely followed by a whole bunch of US IPAs, >porters, and stouts; and by Chimay, Corsendonk, Affligem, La Chouffe, or >almost any Belgian dubbel. Actually, I agree. I've settled on Sam Adams as my "regular" beer here, mainly because it's cheap, extremely widely available, and not at all bad. Although I enjoy British beer, it's not so much better that it's worth paying so much more. Belgian is another matter; Chimay and Duval are probably my two favorites... (And thanks for the tips on finding Brit stuff for when I feel homesick!) Carl Schelin writes: >A group of us on a different list do LAN gaming parties. Mainly Starcraft >and >Red Alert II but on occasion we'll run Diablo II and Carmageddon. I can't >think off hand of any others we've run lately. Nice, very nice. Unfortunately I am atrocious at most games with "real time" in the description... I'm more an adventure/strategy/RPG sort. Yeah, not only geeky but nerdy too -- how far does owning a motorcycle go in re-establishing any sort of credibility? Oh, darn, forgot. Don't own one yet... M -- Marc Read **** marc@XXXXXX / marcread@XXXXXX (home) marc_read@XXXXXX (work) **** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 08:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DCg3o15492; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:42:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613083721.025cbc48@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:41:16 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Replies to my critics In-Reply-To: <$hpVHsCI$IC9Ew4q@rauko.freeserve.co.uk> References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B770@DCHQCLEXHQ> <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B770@DCHQCLEXHQ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:27 AM 6/13/2002 -0400, Marc Read wrote: >Actually, I agree. I've settled on Sam Adams as my "regular" beer here, >mainly because it's cheap, extremely widely available, and not at all bad. >Although I enjoy British beer, it's not so much better that it's worth >paying so much more. Belgian is another matter; Chimay and Duval are >probably my two favorites... Chimay is one of my favorites as well...I haven't found many of the monk ales that I'd turn a nose up at either. ;-) >(And thanks for the tips on finding Brit stuff for when I feel homesick!) Don't forget to add the Brickskeller to the DC area's "beer haven" list. 500+ bottled beers to choose from *and* Buffalo meat burgers! Just bring *lots* of $$. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 08:43:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DChxM15538; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:43:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D0894E0.2CD77AEA@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:49:36 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: Dave Yates , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612201604.0100c2e8@mail.9netave.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020612221839.010125e8@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > I like Wild Goose, WILD GOOSE! Reminds me, must thank Dave Yates. Dave scarfed up the free carb balancer thing I had sitting among the stuff in my garage and awarded me a six of Wild Goose! Tasty brew. Milady, who is the target on my many wedgy/goochie strafing runs, watched me uncap and turn up a bottle and sez, with a scolding edge on her words, "Wild Goose, how appropriate." So I reply, "Whatever do you mean?" She huffs and turns to leave the kitchen... *beep beep* target aquired...*EEK* heh heh I luv Wild Goose - thanks, Dave! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 08:53:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DCrkp15864; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:53:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:46:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200206131246.g5DCkI410817@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: thought you'd get a chuckle... Aki backs away like a liberal congress(wo)man from a tax cut - >[Dave] What's with all the bookworm, nerd types at B&N anyway? > >just curious... seriously I wasn't intending to bait anyone. I just thought it was funny that some guy was posting in the dc.general newsgroup complaining about those heathen bikers hanging out at the B&N. [Dave] My last post was emoticon challenged... I forgot the ';-)' Heathen bikers ? Wiccans ? HERE ?! ;-) Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 08:57:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DCvxM15990; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:57:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:50:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200206131250.g5DCoV812399@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale ... Bill H exclaimed - WILD GOOSE! Reminds me, must thank Dave Yates. Dave scarfed up the free carb balancer thing I had sitting among the stuff in my garage and awarded me a six of Wild Goose! Tasty brew. [Dave] You're quite welcome, Bill... Where else would I possibly find that good of a price ? 'twas the least I could do, but furnish your household with a few fine brews... Milady, who is the target on my many wedgy/goochie strafing runs, watched me uncap and turn up a bottle and sez, with a scolding edge on her words, "Wild Goose, how appropriate." [Dave] didn't consider that... Does make me think twice about brews for the ladys... I may want to reconsider gifts of 'Hens teeth' or 'old speckled hen' ;-) Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 09:18:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DDIee16462; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:18:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613091638.025ce380@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:18:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: thought you'd get a chuckle... In-Reply-To: <200206131246.g5DCkI410817@texas.pop3now.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:46 AM 6/13/2002 -0400, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >Aki backs away like a liberal congress(wo)man from a tax cut - > > >[Dave] What's with all the bookworm, nerd types at B&N anyway? > > > >just curious... > > >seriously I wasn't intending to bait anyone. I just thought it was >funny that some guy was posting in the dc.general newsgroup >complaining about those heathen bikers hanging out at the B&N. > >[Dave] My last post was emoticon challenged... I forgot the ';-)' heh heh... >Heathen bikers ? Wiccans ? HERE ?! ;-) > >Dave I'm thinking of breaking into a Motel 6 and stealing all their Bibles and handing them out at the next B&N meet. You know, saving souls and all that has gotta get me some serious brownie points with the Big Guy.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 09:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DDgc617048; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:42:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D08A2A8.5515EFA4@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:48:25 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: thought you'd get a chuckle... References: <200206131246.g5DCkI410817@texas.pop3now.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sdave@XXXXXX wrote:.. > Heathen bikers ? Wiccans ? HERE ?! ;-) > > Dave > Yes. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 09:56:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DDuZw17308; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:56:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:56:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: John West To: "'DC Cycles'" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612221839.010125e8@mail.9netave.com> Message-Id: <614D26B8-7ED5-11D6-9B72-00039355E006@macconnect.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) On Wednesday, June 12, 2002, at 10:34 PM, Larry Larson wrote: > My favorite local is Tupper's Hop Pocket, great stuff. [...] Now > Dominion I can't stand. You realize Dominion makes Tupper's, right? -john From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 09:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DDx3D17424; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:59:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:00:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) In-Reply-To: <20020613121603.66310.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:16:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Glenn Dysart > To: Larry Larson , Dave Yates , > 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) > > If they are in the fridge they have stoppped evolving. Not true. They're just evolving slower, unless they've been pasteurized, in which case, you're correct they won't likely evolve in a positive manner, especially if they're in the fridge. The term is "bottle conditioning" and it depends on the amount of live yeast left in the beer when it was bottled. > Glenn > > --- Larry Larson wrote: > > -- Larry (whose garage refrigerator includes Anchor > > and Sierra Nevada > > Christmas brews back to 1987...all still excellent, > > still evolving. 8;) Dan, who has a couple boxes in his cellar which include bottles of Dominion's Millenium, Victory Brewing Co's Old Horizontal and a few Thomas Hardy Ales, the earliest of which dates back to about 1994. For people interested in beer in this area, see http://potables.net/dc-beer/ -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DE3fX17598; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:03:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613140332.70258.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) To: "Daniel H. Brown" , "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My point is that if you want to continue secondary fermentation the fridge is NOT the place to do it. Sure it might continue somewhat but basically its not going to make a tsatebud difference nearly as well as it would at cellar temperature. Glenn --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > Not true. They're just evolving slower, unless > they've been > pasteurized, in which case, you're correct they > won't likely > evolve in a positive manner, especially if they're > in the > fridge. The term is "bottle conditioning" and it > depends on > the amount of live yeast left in the beer when it > was bottled. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:05:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DE5Q917794; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:05:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613140524.28933.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:05:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) To: John West , "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <614D26B8-7ED5-11D6-9B72-00039355E006@macconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It only "contract brewed" by Dominion. The recipe is owned by Mr. Tupper (owner of the Brickskeller). Oh and I think Jerry Bailey is a total ass (president of Dominion). Glenn --- John West wrote: > You realize Dominion makes Tupper's, right? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DEGNV18178; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:16:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:18:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) In-Reply-To: <20020613140332.70258.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:03:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: Glenn Dysart > To: "Daniel H. Brown" , > 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) > > My point is that if you want to continue secondary > fermentation the fridge is NOT the place to do it. It will certainly work faster if the beer isn't refridgerated. > Sure it might continue somewhat but basically its not > going to make a tsatebud difference nearly as well as > it would at cellar temperature. I know we're talking ales here, but, lagering, as I'm sure you know, actually can involve storing beers at temperatures well below celler temps, and, it does make a big difference. Certainly different type of yeasts will work at different speeds, depending on temperature, but, you can't assume that beer with live yeast in it isn't going to change over time, even in the fridge. Admittedly, oxidation will likely have more of an effect than bottle conditioning, but, taste will change over time, even if under refridgeration. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:21:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DELFe18294; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:21:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613102221.01032eb0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:22:53 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , Dave Yates , "'DC Cycles'" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) In-Reply-To: <20020613121603.66310.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612221839.010125e8@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:16 AM 6/13/2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: >If they are in the fridge they have stoppped evolving. Nope, just slowed down. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DEOVD18362; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:24:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:24:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: John West To: "'DC Cycles'" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020613140524.28933.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4CCAF3BD-7ED9-11D6-9B72-00039355E006@macconnect.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Right, but most of the 'wimpy piss' they brew is also contract brewed. Dominion does have some forgettable beers, but they also have some very good ones. Bob Tupper, by the way, is not the owner of the Brick. He's a teacher. Per Michael Jackson: "Creator Bob Tupper is a schoolteacher and beer enthusiast who hosts seminars and tastings in Washington, D.C., at a bar called the Brickskeller, which has more than a thousand bottled beers." Marc, the Dominion Brewpub usually has two cask ales at any given time. Cap City usually has one also. -john On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 10:05 AM, Glenn Dysart wrote: > It only "contract brewed" by Dominion. The recipe is > owned by Mr. Tupper (owner of the Brickskeller). Oh > and I think Jerry Bailey is a total ass (president of > Dominion). > > Glenn > > --- John West wrote: >> You realize Dominion makes Tupper's, right? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:27:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DERNl18562; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:27:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613102553.0102ce10@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:29:04 -0400 To: John West , "'DC Cycles'" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) In-Reply-To: <614D26B8-7ED5-11D6-9B72-00039355E006@macconnect.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612221839.010125e8@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:56 AM 6/13/2002, John West wrote: >On Wednesday, June 12, 2002, at 10:34 PM, Larry Larson wrote: > >>My favorite local is Tupper's Hop Pocket, great stuff. [...] Now Dominion >>I can't stand. > >You realize Dominion makes Tupper's, right? No, I don't. Tupper's was made from its beginning by Foggy Bottom, which was contract brewed in Pittsburgh. It is possible that they have shifted to production by Dominion, but I haven't heard about it. I didn't say Dominion *couldn't* make excellent stuff (as evidenced by my comment about the original Millenium); I just said that they *don't* make any good stuff under their own name, or among the house brews I've encountered. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:32:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DEW9t18753; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:32:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613103028.0102a9d8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:33:58 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , "Daniel H. Brown" , "'DC Cycles'" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) In-Reply-To: <20020613140332.70258.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:03 AM 6/13/2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: >My point is that if you want to continue secondary >fermentation the fridge is NOT the place to do it. >Sure it might continue somewhat but basically its not >going to make a tsatebud difference nearly as well as >it would at cellar temperature. Well, that works for me, since my goal in saving the Anchor specials the fridge is *not* to continue development, but to preserve them to enable comparative tasting to the annual flavorings of later years. Except for the one year they produced a spruce-flavored seasonal special (shudder) -- was it '94? I remember that one all too vividly without ingesting any more. 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:39:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DEdRS19009; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:39:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:39:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: John West To: "'DC Cycles'" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613102553.0102ce10@mail.9netave.com> Message-Id: <62245E5E-7EDB-11D6-9B72-00039355E006@macconnect.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 10:29 AM, Larry Larson wrote: > No, I don't. Tupper's was made from its beginning by Foggy Bottom, > which was contract brewed in Pittsburgh. It is possible that they have > shifted to production by Dominion, but I haven't heard about it. http://www.olddominion.com/brewery-prod.asp?prod=243&grp=Ales You should try the Tuppers' Pils, if you haven't already: http://www.olddominion.com/brewery-prod.asp?prod=238&grp=Lagers The Ale has been my favorite beer since the first tasting (though Victory Hop Devil is also in the running), but the Pils is currently neck and neck with the Ale and may pass it soon. > I didn't say Dominion *couldn't* make excellent stuff (as evidenced by > my comment about the original Millenium); I just said that they *don't* > make any good stuff under their own name, or among the house brews I've > encountered. Their best stuff isn't widely available. You have to go to the brewpub. I'll be more than happy to go with you and point you in the right direction :) -john From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:40:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DEeRJ19109; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017701c212e7$980e8930$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Reply-To: "Patti Rodgers" From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Dc-Cycles" References: <4CCAF3BD-7ED9-11D6-9B72-00039355E006@macconnect.com> Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:35:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 >>at a bar >>called the Brickskeller, which has more than a thousand bottled beers In the same neighborhood is the Big Hunt, on Connecticut just below the circle. While its beer selection is nowhere near as impressive as the Brickskeller, they do have about 25 beers on tap (and 2 kinds of cider on tap) and a couple dozen more in bottles. Some pretty interesting micros; the owner is a beer conniseur. The nice thing about Big Hunt is, unlike Brickskeller, it will not cost you an arm and a leg to go there. Most pints are under $5 and if you tip consistently well you will begin to get free stuff. cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:40:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DEebB19132; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:40:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613144035.47652.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:40:35 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: allright you boozers, enough! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613102553.0102ce10@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Next thing we know we'll have listers beering up and riding off into the sunset sans helmet, boot, or gear at house-warming parties... We've got LAN parties for games, geeks and bookworms in bookstores, heathens sacrificing themselves amongst clouds of burning rubber smoke and partially expended hydrocarbons, and all manner of frightful behavior. Can't be much longer before Chuck and Tom start throwing darts at each other. Whatever happened to moto content? You guys who want to talk ale/beer/rotten(ing)-grain-mixed-with-water know who you are, talk to each other off-list. I'm going to stuff my face with wings and chicken strips up in Sterling tonight while sipping my finely brewed ice-tea laced with lemonade and of course riding my Nighthawk up there so I can pose and show off my big-flat-spotted rear tire with the rubber hairs still attached to all the sport-bike wannabe's who like to think they ride. *silly grin* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DEmiw19490; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:48:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613144842.98238.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020613144035.47652.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > Next thing we know we'll have listers beering up and > riding off into > the sunset sans helmet, boot, or gear at house-warming > parties... > > We've got LAN parties for games, geeks and bookworms in > bookstores, > heathens sacrificing themselves amongst clouds of burning > rubber smoke > and partially expended hydrocarbons, and all manner of > frightful > behavior. Can't be much longer before Chuck and Tom start > throwing > darts at each other. i'm ready. where's chuckles? > Whatever happened to moto content? You guys who want to > talk > ale/beer/rotten(ing)-grain-mixed-with-water know who you > are, talk to > each other off-list. > > I'm going to stuff my face with wings and chicken strips > up in Sterling > tonight while sipping my finely brewed ice-tea laced with > lemonade and > of course riding my Nighthawk up there so I can pose and > show off my > big-flat-spotted rear tire with the rubber hairs still > attached to all > the sport-bike wannabe's who like to think they ride. > > *silly grin* it's certainly interesting to watch as various listers gain confidence over the years in their riding abilities. i would say that, without a doubt, people who go to the track -- regardless of how they perform on it -- believe that and/or act like they are better riders than those who don't. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:48:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DEmwS19514; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:48:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:48:28 -0400 Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020613144035.47652.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9F13BFA0-7EDC-11D6-B5C5-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) > I'm going to stuff my face with wings and chicken strips up in Sterling > tonight while sipping my finely brewed ice-tea laced with lemonade and > of course riding my Nighthawk up there so I can pose and show off my > big-flat-spotted rear tire with the rubber hairs still attached to all > the sport-bike wannabe's who like to think they ride. You talking about the Buffalo Wing Factory? Do they have a lot of squids show up there or something? I know the guy that owns the place....a total squid on a brand new R1. He had a ZX-6R and a GSXR1000 at some point. I think he wadded the Gixxer. Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DEnmf19606; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:51:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) In-Reply-To: <20020613140524.28933.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:05:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Glenn Dysart > To: John West , > 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) > > It only "contract brewed" by Dominion. The recipe is > owned by Mr. Tupper (owner of the Brickskeller). Oh Last I checked, Bob Tupper doesn't actually own the Bricks -- he's just the MC at the tastings they do periodically. He is, or was at one point, a history teacher at a local high school, IIRC. I'm not entirely sure its truely a contract brew, but am doing some research on that. Here's some info on the beer itself: http://www.olddominion.com/brewery-prod.asp?prod=243&grp=Ales > and I think Jerry Bailey is a total ass (president of > Dominion). I don't know him personally, but, he seems to have consistantly run a pretty good brewery which locally makes beer that is very much a cut above many many others. What's your gripe with him Glenn? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:51:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DEpLs19740; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:51:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613104851.025cd6c8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:51:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! In-Reply-To: <20020613144035.47652.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613102553.0102ce10@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:40 AM 6/13/2002 -0700, matthew patton wrote: >Next thing we know we'll have listers beering up and riding off into >the sunset sans helmet, boot, or gear at house-warming parties... > >We've got LAN parties for games, geeks and bookworms in bookstores, >heathens sacrificing themselves amongst clouds of burning rubber smoke >and partially expended hydrocarbons, and all manner of frightful >behavior. Can't be much longer before Chuck and Tom start throwing >darts at each other. > >Whatever happened to moto content? You guys who want to talk >ale/beer/rotten(ing)-grain-mixed-with-water know who you are, talk to >each other off-list. ok, how about eating wings whilst riding a moto as your pillion throws darts at cagers all the while thinking about a good LAN party? >I'm going to stuff my face with wings and chicken strips up in Sterling >tonight while sipping my finely brewed ice-tea laced with lemonade and >of course riding my Nighthawk up there so I can pose and show off my >big-flat-spotted rear tire with the rubber hairs still attached to all >the sport-bike wannabe's who like to think they ride. > >*silly grin* I may join you, what time? At least if nothing else, check out a BREW! 8-P Depends on the weather though,it's supposed to get *really* nasty this afternoon sometime and I *hate* riding in the rain,but more so if it's thunder and lightning. I get scared and start to cry...and that ain't pretty. 8-P >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 10:59:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DExG820051; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:59:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613105924.0101e000@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:01:06 -0400 To: John West , "'DC Cycles'" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) In-Reply-To: <62245E5E-7EDB-11D6-9B72-00039355E006@macconnect.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613102553.0102ce10@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:39 AM 6/13/2002, John West wrote: >>I didn't say Dominion *couldn't* make excellent stuff (as evidenced by my >>comment about the original Millenium); I just said that they *don't* make >>any good stuff under their own name, or among the house brews I've encountered. > >Their best stuff isn't widely available. You have to go to the brewpub. >I'll be more than happy to go with you and point you in the right direction :) Sounds like a good excuse for a lunchtime ride from Crystal City to the brewpub, out in Ashburn, I presume? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 11:01:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DF19v20220; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:01:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613150106.40338.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613104851.025cd6c8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I misread Aki's post and went to the Wing Factory on Ashburn Farm Rd. last night - found out that it hasn't opened yet. Doesn't look like it will for a while either. Then went to the old one near rt. 28 but I'll be damned if that wasn't the white-trashiest "restaurant" I've ever been in. Pretty piss-poor service and the beer was strange-tasting too (something suspicious happened to that batch of Yuengling). Good wings, but it's not bike-night material, that's for sure. There were a few cruisers parked outside, but there didn't look to be that much extra space for a lot of bikes. Perhaps the Ashburn Farm location will be less trashy and more roomy. I'll let you all know if and when it opens up. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 11:09:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DF9oO20562; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:09:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:09:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613105924.0101e000@mail.9netave.com> Message-Id: <92CAD414-7EDF-11D6-B5C5-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) > Sounds like a good excuse for a lunchtime ride from Crystal City to the > brewpub, out in Ashburn, I presume? If you guys put something together, let me know. I work right across the street. (In the mammoth Worldcom Campus.) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 11:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DFvsa21609; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:57:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:42:56 -0400 (EDT) From: JD To: Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! In-Reply-To: <20020613150106.40338.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Chris Weaver wrote: > be damned if that wasn't the white-trashiest > "restaurant" I've ever been in. Pretty piss-poor > service and the beer was strange-tasting too > (something suspicious happened to that batch of > Yuengling). Good wings, but it's not bike-night > material, that's for sure. the wing factory has legendarily slow/poor service. The only reason I think anyone continues to go there is great wings, and usualy cheap prices on beer. -jd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 11:58:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DFwEw21641; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:58:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:59:03 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: STmaven@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 In-Reply-To: <71154D5F.5C672894.001912B6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > I put together a Tentative Trip Itinerary. Its based on all the emails > I've read. Please feel free to add your input. > > 1:00: Tour Harpers Ferry, take Pictures > 2:00 Huddle Club. Or you can leave with the group thatM-bM-^@M-^Ys leaving early looks good except shouldn't it be: 1:00 Tour Harpers Ferry 2:00 Huddle Club, take Pictures Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DG2uF21901; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:02:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: allright you boozers, enough! (rain) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:03:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ride in rain, pay for metro & parking or pay for parking cage & not get HOV? Ride in rain. -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:51 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! Depends on the weather though,it's supposed to get *really* nasty this afternoon sometime and I *hate* riding in the rain,but more so if it's thunder and lightning. I get scared and start to cry...and that ain't pretty. 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DG5PR22064; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:05:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IEhhcnBlcnMgRmVycnkgdHJpcD8gSnVuZSAxNQ==?= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:05:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Could someone at Tysons or Cascades help me tighten my chain, before the ride? I have an understanding of how this should work, but haven't done it by myself yet. From what I understand I need two larger adjustable wrenches and something to remove the cotter pin. -----Original Message----- From: STmaven@XXXXXX [mailto:STmaven@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 I put together a Tentative Trip Itinerary. Its based on all the emails I've read. Please feel free to add your input. 9:30-9:45: meet me at Tyson's Corner Mall in the Circuit City Parking Lot 10:00-10:45: meet the other riders at Mobil in Cascades Town Ctr. This is just off of Rt 7 in Sterling. 10:45: Leave for Harper Ferry we are taking the long scenic way. 12:00-1:00: Eat Lunch 1:00: Tour Harpers Ferry, take Pictures 2:00 Huddle Club. Or you can leave with the group that's leaving early 3:00 on: head home... or we can stay longer -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DGAWs22199; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:10:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613120755.025f2100@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:10:33 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! In-Reply-To: References: <20020613150106.40338.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:42 AM 6/13/2002 -0400, JD wrote: >On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Chris Weaver wrote: > > > be damned if that wasn't the white-trashiest > > "restaurant" I've ever been in. Pretty piss-poor > > service and the beer was strange-tasting too > > (something suspicious happened to that batch of > > Yuengling). Good wings, but it's not bike-night > > material, that's for sure. > >the wing factory has legendarily slow/poor service. The only reason I >think anyone continues to go there is great wings, and usualy cheap prices >on beer. > >-jd I agree that their service is spotty at best. There's been times where I've come in and within 15 minutes we've got our wings and brew and other times when it took that long to get our order taken. It's pretty much an icon now and their wings are probably some of the best around so they get away with their less than stellar service. I certainly wouldn't recommend it as a bike night place as parking for more than 4-5 bikes could get dicey unless someone snags a cager parking spot. And as far as the beer tasting funny, I had the Newcastle and the Boddingtons and they tasted fine. Bad batch maybe? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DGFwx22448; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:15:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613161552.55965.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:15:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! To: Chris Weaver , Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020613150106.40338.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The white-trahiest restaurant you've ever been in? I guess you don't venture from the ciry that often? Its not the nicest place by far but I've been a ton of "bucket of bloods" that make it look first class. Anyhow, I've never had a problem with the beer either, maybe someone left that keg out in this weather we've been having for too long? They do have good wings and fingers... Glenn --- Chris Weaver wrote: > I misread Aki's post and went to the Wing Factory on > Ashburn Farm Rd. last night - found out that it > hasn't > opened yet. Doesn't look like it will for a while > either. Then went to the old one near rt. 28 but > I'll > be damned if that wasn't the white-trashiest > "restaurant" I've ever been in. Pretty piss-poor > service and the beer was strange-tasting too > (something suspicious happened to that batch of > Yuengling). Good wings, but it's not bike-night > material, that's for sure. > > There were a few cruisers parked outside, but there > didn't look to be that much extra space for a lot of > bikes. Perhaps the Ashburn Farm location will be > less > trashy and more roomy. I'll let you all know if and > when it opens up. > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:19:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DGJXA22543; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:19:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613161930.13694.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) To: Larry Larson , John West , "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613102553.0102ce10@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Larry Larson wrote: > No, I don't. Tupper's was made from its beginning by > Foggy Bottom, which > was contract brewed in Pittsburgh. It is possible > that they have shifted to > production by Dominion, but I haven't heard about > it. > As far as I know it ALWAYS been made in Assburn. > I didn't say Dominion *couldn't* make excellent > stuff (as evidenced by my > comment about the original Millenium); I just said > that they *don't* make > any good stuff under their own name, or among the > house brews I've encountered. > They used to be alot better but one of their better brewers left some years ago. Some of the more memorable brews from him besides the Millenium were a brown ale (different receipe now), a chery stout (only made for one beer show), and of course the oak barrel stout which they still have. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:28:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DGSwA22838; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:28:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613122752.025af5b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:28:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! In-Reply-To: <20020613161552.55965.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020613150106.40338.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:15 AM 6/13/2002 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >The white-trahiest restaurant you've ever been in? I >guess you don't venture from the ciry that often? Its >not the nicest place by far but I've been a ton of >"bucket of bloods" that make it look first class. for example that bar in Falls Church down the street from Arts old Riders Accessory Warehouse. Franks Place. A true manly mans place if there ever was one. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DGTLj22861; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:29:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <027401c212f7$ec3f7900$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 You *still* haven't tightened your chain since our DC ride last year?? ;) That sucker has hanging so low it was practically giving off sparks! Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > Could someone at Tysons or Cascades help me tighten my chain, before the > ride? I have an understanding of how this should work, but haven't done it > by myself yet. From what I understand I need two larger adjustable wrenches > and something to remove the cotter pin. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:31:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DGVjk23047; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:31:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IEhhcnBlcnMgRmVycnkgdHJpcD8oY2hhaW4p?= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:32:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I was hoping to avoid that embarrassment this time. I got a new chain & sprockets right after that ride. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:31 PM To: Rich Hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 You *still* haven't tightened your chain since our DC ride last year?? ;) That sucker has hanging so low it was practically giving off sparks! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:32:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DGWMU23077; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The dreaded PITA Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:31:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The first couple of times it may seem like a PITA, but you develop a "routine" and stripping down your bike to get down to the nitty gritty becomes rather easy. Back when I was running inline 4's, it used to do it steps. One evening, get to the carbs or remove them, the next evening rebuild or whatever then put them back on. I recommend the proper tools, it just makes life SO much easier. From: > > [Dave] STOP THAT. You're scaring me. It's a PITA just getting TO > > the plugs & carbs... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:36:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DGaOr23337; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:36:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:37:13 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: RichH@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IEhhcnBlcnMgRmVycnkgdHJpcD8gSnVuZSAxNQ==?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Could someone at Tysons or Cascades help me tighten my chain, before the > ride? I have an understanding of how this should work, but haven't done it > by myself yet. From what I understand I need two larger adjustable wrenches > and something to remove the cotter pin. > I'd be glad to help. I guess adjustable wrenches might work in a pinch. I hate using them. Besides you might actually need some slim wrenches to get at the adjuster nuts. Bring two wrenches to fit the adjuster nuts and some to losen the axle nut. Otherwise, if you can make it through the ride, I can help with afterwards with some decent tools. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 12:59:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DGxqS23861; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:59:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D08D0DF.FBE9FACD@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:05:35 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Dysart CC: Chris Weaver , Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! References: <20020613161552.55965.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lemme see, bikers bitchin' about white trashy places (mind boggles). Methinks I'd take white trash over yuppie joints where the waiter ballet-steps over to your table and croons, "Hi, my name is Toby and I'll be your waiter tonight." Yeecchh... Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > The white-trahiest restaurant you've ever been in? I > guess you don't venture from the ciry that often? Its > not the nicest place by far but I've been a ton of > "bucket of bloods" that make it look first class. > > Anyhow, I've never had a problem with the beer either, > maybe someone left that keg out in this weather we've > been having for too long? They do have good wings and > fingers... > > Glenn > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > I misread Aki's post and went to the Wing Factory on > > Ashburn Farm Rd. last night - found out that it > > hasn't > > opened yet. Doesn't look like it will for a while > > either. Then went to the old one near rt. 28 but > > I'll > > be damned if that wasn't the white-trashiest > > "restaurant" I've ever been in. Pretty piss-poor > > service and the beer was strange-tasting too > > (something suspicious happened to that batch of > > Yuengling). Good wings, but it's not bike-night > > material, that's for sure. > > > > There were a few cruisers parked outside, but there > > didn't look to be that much extra space for a lot of > > bikes. Perhaps the Ashburn Farm location will be > > less > > trashy and more roomy. I'll let you all know if and > > when it opens up. > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 13:02:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DH27R24013; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:02:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012f01c212fb$ebd03fa0$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Sunday's Race Photos Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:01:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/020609/020609.htm Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 13:02:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DH2Hj24036; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:02:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:15:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613102553.0102ce10@mail.9netave.com> <20020613144035.47652.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020613144035.47652.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5DH2G024019 I didn't know there were lan parrties here.. sounds like fun From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 13:34:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DHYWx24673; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613173426.44641.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What kind of bike do you have? Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 13:37:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DHb1V24814; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:37:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:37:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" '94 Yamaha Seca II, blue -----Original Message----- From: Steven Burrow [mailto:s_burrow@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 1:34 PM To: Rich Hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 What kind of bike do you have? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 14:28:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DISAq25728; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:28:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Alright you guys - race liscensed Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:41:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5DIS9025716 I would like to get race liscensed. Last year I didn't because I was looking at the costs of racing 4k+ for a seasonal hobby and addiction. Can't afford that. Then I saw offers here to let other people ride their bikes in endurance races.. and I see the fellowship of racers...Then a friend again mentioned that I could get liscensed, and just run endurance races and learn to race.. learn the track.. stuff like that.. Maybe buy a cheap race bike for the track. I don't have to race all the time, and therefor won't have to buy new things all the time. SO that's what I've decided to do.. get race liscened and spend a season or two learning to race... learning the tracks.... gaining more all around motorcycle-motorcycling knowledge, improve my riding skills, and have fun. Maybe after 2 seasons i might start going for podiums.. in the mean time, my #1 priority in riding is always not to crash... learn and improve my technique and have fun. So anyone got any info on how to sign up for the class? and any other info for someone in my boots :) Thanks Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 15:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DJcK427137; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:38:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00465B9C520AD3119F730008C79F0F0C014A1A6F@FLMAIL> From: "Thomas, Kevin" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: need to borrow (rent?) seat for GL1500 next week Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:36:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all! I used to be on DCC but I moved to FL. I'm getting married saturday and will be honeymooning in MD on my bro-in-law's GL1500. Problem is his legs are ~6" longer than mine and he had a custom seat built to improve his riding position. I don't think I'll be very comfortable (safe) riding it. Does anyone have a spare stock seat I could borrow? I'll leave a deposit, buy you a case of beer, rent it, or whatever you want. Seats located between BWI and Germantown MD would be most convenient but will go anywhere in the area to get one and bring return it when done. Need it next mon thru sun, 17th-23rd. THANKS!!! Please feel free to call my cell phone below. kevin ............................................................................ ....................................... Kevin Thomas Manager, Domestic Transportation Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus Disney On Ice Feld Entertainment Inc. Palmetto, FL (941) 721-1241 (941) 914-0002 cellular VISIT FELD ENTERTAINMENT INC. ON THE WEB! http://www.Ringling.com http://www.DisneyOnIce.com > http://www.ElephantCenter.com > http://Store.Ringling.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 15:57:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DJvF127585; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:57:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3a.282ae3f6.2a3a52ed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:56:29 EDT Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5DJvF027573 In a message dated 6/13/2002 12:06:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > From what I understand I need two larger adjustable wrenches > and something to remove the cotter pin. The tools in your tool kit should do the job. You do have and carry your tool kit donM-bM-^@M-^Yt you? If you cannot loosen your axel nut with your tool kit it is too tight. As for adjustable wrenches I am embarrassed to admit I own some. On the rare occasion I use one I look both ways to be sure no one is watching, and put them away or hide them immediately. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 16:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DK2Ev27776; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:02:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IEhhcnBlcnMgRmVycnkgdHJpcD8gSnVuZSAxNQ==?= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:02:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The official tool kit was no longer w/ my bike when I bought it. -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:56 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 In a message dated 6/13/2002 12:06:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > From what I understand I need two larger adjustable wrenches > and something to remove the cotter pin. The tools in your tool kit should do the job. You do have and carry your tool kit don't you? If you cannot loosen your axel nut with your tool kit it is too tight. As for adjustable wrenches I am embarrassed to admit I own some. On the rare occasion I use one I look both ways to be sure no one is watching, and put them away or hide them immediately. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 16:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DK2BS27758; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:02:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613200202.72208.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3a.282ae3f6.2a3a52ed@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/2002 12:06:19 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > From what I understand I need two larger adjustable > > wrenches and something to remove the cotter pin. > > The tools in your tool kit should do the job. You do have > and carry your tool > kit donM-bM-^@M-^Yt you? If you cannot loosen your axel nut with > your tool kit it is too tight. i beg to differ. -- tg (46 mm nut w/ 94 lb/ft req. and no 46mm device to remove it in kit) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 16:06:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DK6iJ28017; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:06:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613200638.83805.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii it is certainly worth investing the small $ amount in tools that enable you to remove the wheels and calipers, and to adjust the chain.... you recoup your investment the first time you use them.... --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > The official tool kit was no longer w/ my bike when I > bought it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:56 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 > > In a message dated 6/13/2002 12:06:19 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > From what I understand I need two larger adjustable > wrenches > > and something to remove the cotter pin. > > The tools in your tool kit should do the job. You do have > and carry your > tool > kit don't you? If you cannot loosen your axel nut with > your tool kit it is > too tight. > As for adjustable wrenches I am embarrassed to admit I > own some. On the rare > occasion I use one I look both ways to be sure no one is > watching, and put > them away or hide them immediately. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 16:07:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DK7vG28061; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:07:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [216.174.53.239] From: "Randy Moran" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:06:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2002 20:06:46.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[D82AA6B0:01C21315] >--- matthew patton wrote: ...so I can pose and > > show off my > > big-flat-spotted rear tire with the rubber hairs still > > attached to all > > the sport-bike wannabe's who like to think they ride. To which Tom Gimer replied: > >i would say that, without a doubt, people who go to the >track -- regardless of how they perform on it -- believe >that and/or act like they are better riders than those who >don't. I think Matt was saying that he rides a lot, not that he rides particularly well. At least, "a big-flat-spotted rear tire with the rubber hairs still attached" is usually shorthand for "I ride a lot and far" not " I ride more skillfully than you." "The feathered edges on my D207s," would be more along the lines of what you're talking about, wouldn't it Tom? Anyway, in my case, experience on the race track certainly made *me* a better rider in certain instances, mainly involving piloting a bike at high speeds along a known course in good condition. Whether I'm "better" than any of these fine people assembled, I don't know or care. Oh, and as far as the beer and whiskey go...Guinness and Bushmills is all one needs to know. Randy Moran _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 16:10:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DKAuZ28211; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:10:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9d.294a35be.2a3a5641@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:10:41 EDT Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5DKAt028194 In a message dated 6/13/2002 4:03:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > The tools in your tool kit should do the job. You do have > > and carry your tool > > kit donM-bM-GM-Vt you? If you cannot loosen your axel nut with > > your tool kit it is too tight. > > i beg to differ. > Begging is so undignified. I repeat the tool kit that came in the bike should be capable of a chain adjustment or there is something wrong. (The only exception I have experienced was my 1976 Triumph, I gave that tool kit to a friends kid to play with and replaced it with some real tools.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 16:11:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DKBSQ28250; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:11:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613160903.02876008@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:11:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 In-Reply-To: <20020613200638.83805.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:06 PM 6/13/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >it is certainly worth investing the small $ amount in tools >that enable you to remove the wheels and calipers, and to >adjust the chain.... you recoup your investment the first >time you use them.... I've always been amazed at the arrogance of HD not including a tool kit with their bikes. Would you believe that the siren for their OEM alarm system is an add on accessory? Order the alarm, all it does is flash, until you pay the extra $100 for the siren. sheesh.. oh..never mind..the tool kit thingie just got me into a ranting mood. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 16:20:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DKKcr28622; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:20:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613202031.71885.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: allright you boozers, enough! To: Randy Moran , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Randy Moran wrote: > > >--- matthew patton wrote: > > ...so I can pose and > > > show off my > > > big-flat-spotted rear tire with the rubber hairs > still > > > attached to all > > > the sport-bike wannabe's who like to think they ride. > > > To which Tom Gimer replied: > > > >i would say that, without a doubt, people who go to the > >track -- regardless of how they perform on it -- believe > >that and/or act like they are better riders than those > who > >don't. > > I think Matt was saying that he rides a lot, not that he > rides particularly > well. At least, "a big-flat-spotted rear tire with the > rubber hairs still > attached" is usually shorthand for "I ride a lot and far" > not " I ride more > skillfully than you." "The feathered edges on my D207s," > would be more along > the lines of what you're talking about, wouldn't it Tom? i'm allowed to stir the pot here, bro! i guess this was weak bait. sorry. my post was merely a comment to the effect that, in the past 5 years of watching folks post here, i've seen a number of who have joined the list as flat-out newbies. one track day has been enough in certain instances to result in that newbie "teaching" to the rest of the group. i believe that in every group of alleged "sportbike wannabes" (e.g., the b&n gatherings) there is probably at least one (and likely more) individual who can seriously ride that mofo. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 16:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DKPvL28793; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:25:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613202554.72424.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9d.294a35be.2a3a5641@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/2002 4:03:42 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > The tools in your tool kit should do the job. You do > have > > > and carry your tool > > > kit donM-bM-GM-Vt you? If you cannot loosen your axel nut > with > > > your tool kit it is too tight. > > > > i beg to differ. > > > > Begging is so undignified. > I repeat the tool kit that came in the bike should be > capable of a chain > adjustment or there is something wrong. repeat? that's not what you said.... rather, you mentioned the axel nut. can you tell i'm rather bored here? yes, my tool kit allows me to adjust the chain (15mm wrench + spanner wrench). but it don't allow me to remove the real axel nut. or the front for that matter. or the calipers. or the fuel tank. or.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 16:52:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DKqKH29449; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:52:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00b301c2131c$9c4b7c80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020613202554.72424.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Nuts to you, was Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:54:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yup, no axle nut here either. Lucky Ducati rider, you must have one of them new-fangled Single-Side jobs too. :) Loosen a low-torque 17 mm pinch bolt and use the pin spanner. Many a motel parking lot adjustment under my belt with the (crappy) Honda tool kit, although a BMW riding friend took pity on me once and lent me his exquisite factory 17 mm socket. In fact, I can *only* adjust the chain on the VFR with the factory kit due to the need to use the spanner. Busting an axle nut loose at the specified torque can be a challenge with a bike tool kit. I've wondered why castle nuts and cotter pins aren't used universally for axles for this reason. Less need for ungodly high torque values when the pin is there as insurance to keep it from coming loose and discombobulated at speed. Using plain nuts seems to be a Honda trademark, though. Both my Nighthawk and the VF500 work this way. Big ole socket wrench and 1/2" drive sockets come out for that job. I wouldn't dream of reaching under seat for the factory tools for such a thing. On VF500 to achieve specified torque you practically have to lie on the seat and pull up on the torque wrench to keep from throwing the bike off the centerstand. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: ; Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 > --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 6/13/2002 4:03:42 PM Eastern Daylight > > Time, > > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > The tools in your tool kit should do the job. You do > > have > > > > and carry your tool > > > > kit donM-bM-GM-Vt you? If you cannot loosen your axel nut > > with > > > > your tool kit it is too tight. > > > > > > i beg to differ. > > > > > > > Begging is so undignified. > > I repeat the tool kit that came in the bike should be > > capable of a chain > > adjustment or there is something wrong. > > repeat? that's not what you said.... rather, you mentioned > the axel nut. can you tell i'm rather bored here? > > yes, my tool kit allows me to adjust the chain (15mm wrench > + spanner wrench). but it don't allow me to remove the > real axel nut. or the front for that matter. or the > calipers. or the fuel tank. or.... > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 16:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DKkle29282; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:46:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [142.167.74.33] From: "Simon Weiss" To: Subject: lesser gear needed Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:46:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2002 20:46:35.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[689CDAB0:01C2131B] Now that I've got my FS pants and Jacket I'm looking for things to replace my hiking boots as riding gear, and to upgrade from a pair of soft, supple leather Olympia gloves to a more protective, armored pair. Anyone selling this kind of gear? Oh, and a bike cover? My new bike, a '91 Bandit 400, is in great shape and I plan on keeping it that way - but I'd like to know what kind of things I should be checking regularly just to keep tabs on the bikes condition, and to make sure I don't go riding with loose bolts etc. Anyone have a checklist that they use and would like to share? Also, since I bought the bike, I haven't taken it in to a dealer, do you (the collective, I guess) feel this is necessary, on top of my own inspection. Thanks BTW, has anyone tried Sam Adam's WEISS BIER? It's an excellent Belgium Wheat bear, a lot like a Heffeweizan (sp?), and great for the summer. Give it a try - but look for it at a larger store, it's not super common. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 18:06:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DM6hm00836; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:06:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020613220632.43365.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: lesser gear needed To: Simon Weiss Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Simon Weiss wrote: > BTW, has anyone tried Sam Adam's WEISS BIER? It's > an excellent Belgium > Wheat bear, a lot like a Heffeweizan (sp?), and > great for the summer. I'm not a Hefe fan, but Nancy is, and she, like most people, considers the Sam's to be mediocre. If you want something really authentic, Celis is gone, and New Belgium (Fort Collins, CO) doesn't distribute east of the Mississippi, but there's an excellent new brewery in the east -- Brewery Ommegang, in Cooperstown, NY. (http://ommegang.com/Ommegang/). I tried six or so of their bottled varieties two weeks ago up in the Berkshires, and all were really excellent and true to type. The Abbey and Hennepin were my favorites. Has anyone seem Ommegang around DC? -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 18:17:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5DMHWd01096; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:17:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.112.121] From: "Rob Keiser" To: entrpoop@XXXXXX, Simon_Weiss69@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lesser gear needed Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:16:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2002 22:16:22.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2FF8700:01C21327] I had some Hennepin a couple weeks ago while at a friend's place for the Bike New York. Very nice, indeed. I've been to a couple places their website listed in MD, but to no avail. I have since heard that it is carried at Chevy Chase Wine and Spirits in DC 5544 Connecticut Ave NW . Hope this helps. Moto-content = Just past 24k miles on the VFR! Amazing what a new battery can do! Rob '98 VFR800 From: Larry Larson To: Simon Weiss CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lesser gear needed Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:06:32 -0700 (PDT) --- Simon Weiss wrote: > BTW, has anyone tried Sam Adam's WEISS BIER? It's > an excellent Belgium > Wheat bear, a lot like a Heffeweizan (sp?), and > great for the summer. I'm not a Hefe fan, but Nancy is, and she, like most people, considers the Sam's to be mediocre. If you want something really authentic, Celis is gone, and New Belgium (Fort Collins, CO) doesn't distribute east of the Mississippi, but there's an excellent new brewery in the east -- Brewery Ommegang, in Cooperstown, NY. (http://ommegang.com/Ommegang/). I tried six or so of their bottled varieties two weeks ago up in the Berkshires, and all were really excellent and true to type. The Abbey and Hennepin were my favorites. Has anyone seem Ommegang around DC? -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 20:12:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5E0C8203263; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:12:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: on bikers at bookstores Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:12:03 -0400 Message-ID: <410ABB31C0562D4B9F317F76D8D6EC1F3C0655@truman.dc.Blackboard.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: on bikers at bookstores Thread-Index: AcITOBwdUN0NvhuDTiODByrJ+5jEPg== From: "Maura Keaney" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 00:12:03.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C3A8A10:01C21338] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5E0C7003247 I thought it was funny, too. Bikers at bookstores - a real menace to society!!! :-) >seriously I wasn't intending to bait anyone. I just thought it was funny >that some guy >was posting in the dc.general newsgroup complaining about those heathen bikers >hanging out at the B&N. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 20:29:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5E0TKf03569; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:29:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613202835.02841488@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:29:17 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: on bikers at bookstores In-Reply-To: <410ABB31C0562D4B9F317F76D8D6EC1F3C0655@truman.dc.Blackboar d.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:12 PM 6/13/2002 -0400, Maura Keaney wrote: >I thought it was funny, too. Bikers at bookstores - a real menace to >society!!! :-) > > >seriously I wasn't intending to bait anyone. I just thought it was funny > >that some guy > >was posting in the dc.general newsgroup complaining about those heathen > bikers > >hanging out at the B&N. GAD what next? Librarians hanging out at Paynes? Oh the humanity! When will it ever end! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 20:49:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5E0nDJ03917; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:49:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D093EE1.7A56871@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:54:57 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613160903.02876008@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > I've always been amazed at the arrogance of HD not including a tool > kit with their bikes. Why? No chain to adjust save for the primary, a 5K routine maintenance. Besides, all the tool kits I found on my jap bikes were raging hunk of cheesy crappola! If one actually intended to use them more than once they had to be replaced. Have Harley, carry tools, even a metric adjustable! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 13 21:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5E1DqV04385; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:13:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613210849.02839828@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:13:52 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D093EE1.7A56871@patriot.net> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020613160903.02876008@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:54 PM 6/13/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: > > > I've always been amazed at the arrogance of HD not including a tool > > kit with their bikes. > >Why? No chain to adjust save for the primary, a 5K routine maintenance. >Besides, all the tool kits I found on my jap bikes were raging hunk of >cheesy crappola! If one actually intended to use them more than once >they had to be replaced. > >Have Harley, carry tools, even a metric adjustable! > >Bill I think if I'm paying as much as a cage for a bike, it should come with a decent tool kit. I have two friends with shovels and I wouldn't go out for a ride with them if they didn't take their tool kits. I can count on at least an hour of the day sitting waiting for them to tighten or adjust *something*. When I rode with my dad, we wouldn't dream of riding any distance without a tool kit. But then again he had two bikes, a shovel and a panhead..both could be...uh..challenges on the open road. ;-) My Wide Glide OTOH, has been flawless and has run *great*. Any tinkering I've done has been something that could wait until I've got a beer in my hand, a radio blaring in the car port and a saturday afternoon just to mess around. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 00:54:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5E4sh707571; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:54:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.218.26] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: yellowstone anyone? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:53:36 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 04:53:36.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[717C0810:01C2135F] Just wondering if any of the listers rode ever to the yellowstone, or if anyone is actually planning to go there end of June. TIA. Pierfrancesco VFR 98 Washington DC _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 06:47:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EAloU12975; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:47:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c21390$b22ff160$3a3b2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Ale, glorious ale (was RE: Beer, glorious beer) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:46:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is not true for all beers. In some cases secondary fermentation in the fridge is preferrable. For instance, wheat beers do very well in the fridge and depending on the recipe could not survive the bottle (it'd bust) if it did not stay in the fridge until imbibed. So do lagers, most of which are brewed from between ~40-55 degF. Todd (Springfield, VA) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: To: "Daniel H. Brown" , "'DC Cycles'" My point is that if you want to continue secondary fermentation the fridge is NOT the place to do it. Sure it might continue somewhat but basically its not going to make a tsatebud difference nearly as well as it would at cellar temperature. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 07:23:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EBNej13623; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:23:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:23:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Pierre C cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: yellowstone anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020614072120.L68365-100000@min.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Several years ago I rode from Maryland to Idaho, including through Yellowstone. Definately worthwhile. I came in from the East and exitted through Grand Teton Nat'l Park. I camped in NPS and DA campgrounds, it was little colder than I'd expected. It was a great trip with plenty of scenery and fine roads. I covered around 500-600 miles a day. If you're interested I can dig up my old trip report. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Pierre C wrote: > > Just wondering if any of the listers rode ever to the yellowstone, or if > anyone is actually planning to go there end of June. > TIA. > Pierfrancesco VFR 98 > Washington DC > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 09:46:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EDk8c15895; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:46:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614134601.4231.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: yellowstone anyone? To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Pierre C wrote: > > Just wondering if any of the listers rode ever to > the yellowstone, > I've been there. Don't plan on going back this year. Why? Leon. EX250 ZX6 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 10:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EED6f16370; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:13:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: A few of my favorite wing things. Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:11:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Try CJ Nickels in Springfield for good wings. It's on Backlick south of Old Keene Mill, down about a mile on the left. in the middle of a strip mall parking lot. It started out a few years ago as a Buffalo NY joint. During Bills games they actually would bring in a "chef" from the Anchor Bar (home of the Buff wing) and they'd get down to business, serving up Beef on a wick and Buffalo wings and what have you, along with a Buffalo style beer (I'm a bourbon drinker myself). Having actually traveled in and around Buffalo, I think these are probably the most "authentic" wings around. Another great plate of wings can be had at Hero's in Old Town Manassas, jazz music (some nights), cigar night (Saturday - cough cough), LOT OF DOMINION brews on tap (the Stout is okay on a hot day when one is truly thirsty). As for WT ambience, try Frank's in Falls Church, just off 66 at Westmoreland - Yahoo can guide you in. It's about 3 blocks away from the exit -- next to the firehouse. I was in there on a whim and a HUGE party was happening for some dude who just got out of jail. The food was authentic diner style. Class joint. One more place... Woodbridge area Brittany's off of Old Bridge Road. Wednesday nights 10 cents per wing... pretty good wings.... the price is definitely right. gb On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Chris Weaver wrote: > be damned if that wasn't the white-trashiest > "restaurant" I've ever been in. Pretty piss-poor > service and the beer was strange-tasting too > (something suspicious happened to that batch of > Yuengling). Good wings, but it's not bike-night > material, that's for sure. the wing factory has legendarily slow/poor service. The only reason I think anyone continues to go there is great wings, and usualy cheap prices on beer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 10:36:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EEaXj16850; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:36:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tool Kit Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:35:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I can't believe you all are dinkin' around with OEM tool kits... I still have about half of my Beemer kit and have augmented it over the years with stuff that REALLY reduced my desire to strangle M/C or auto design engineers. Make your lives easier... pick up some nice long throw wrenches, maybe some Allen sockets (there's about 4 to 5 sizes you REALLY need). A NICE LONG THROW 22 or 24mm for the axle nuts. Got a special job, buy the correct tool, just doing the work yourself justifies the expense. If you're bolts aren't tight, it ain't done right. Torque wrench (I still haven't found one suitable enough for me -- ANY SUGGESTIONS), I have a great idea for one! Impact Driver (a must for Japanese OEM bits and pieces). Home depot even has some decent wrenches for like $3 bucks a pop (even cheaper if you catch a sale). Cheap and they will do the work. Go up to Ironbutt.com -- they have a laundry list of stuff you may want to think about. Weight -- pare it down or stoke it up -- depending on the ride and distance covered. gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:13:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFDa317575; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:13:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14e.f597ac3.2a3b61fc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:13:00 EDT Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/13/2002 4:26:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > but it don't allow me to remove the > real axel nut. If you have the complete kit it damn well should, check, it may be a spark plug type socket. If you have a Japanese bike it came with sort of axel nut wrench. I have never had a bike that did not have some kind of wrench for removing the axel nuts. Not even the Triumph with the shitty tool kit I mentioned in another post. And I know H-D has no kit at all, that sucks. You said: > repeat? that's not what you said.... rather, you mentioned > the axel nut. What I also said was: > I repeat the tool kit that came in the bike should be > capable of a chain > adjustment or there is something wrong. What I originally said was: > > > The tools in your tool kit should do the job. The post I was replying to was on chain adjusting, and the tools to do the job. Since you need to loosen the axel to do that it was implied. Adjusting the chain is a normal maintenance item that one can expect to do on the road at some point. A tool kit that does not allow for that fails in its primary purpose, field maintenance. Hells bells they used to come with all the tools for adjusting the valves, including the feeler gauge. To leave home without the tools to remove a wheel in case of a flat is a bad idea. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:23:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFNxr17804; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:23:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <92.274e5435.2a3b645f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:23:11 EDT Subject: Re: Nuts to you, was Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/13/2002 4:52:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Less need for ungodly high torque > values when the pin is there as insurance to keep it from coming loose and > discombobulated at speed. Been there done that, many, many times, (I have traveled to 47 states and into Canida) it can be done. Note: you do not need a crown and pin unless the axel itself can fall out if it loosens, if you check there will be some sort of pinch bolt to hold the axel in place if the nut falls off. I once looked down at the front axel of a borrowed bike to see that there was no front axel nut. The fact that I was riding at the time did make it interesting, but not dangerous, the axel was clamped in place and could not move. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFWx818064; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:32:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16.20a3c066.2a3b6696@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:32:38 EDT Subject: Re: on bikers at bookstores To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/13/2002 8:12:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mkeaney@XXXXXX writes: > I thought it was funny, too. Bikers at bookstores - a real menace to > society!!! :-) My wife and several others we know refer to themselves as "Leathered Librarians" Scary, aint it? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:40:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFeGG18263; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:40:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17.29b4af65.2a3b684c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:39:56 EDT Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/13/2002 9:14:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > But then again he had two bikes, a shovel and a panhead..both could > be...uh..challenges > on the open road. ;-) Rode on a 600mi. trip with some folks including a guy riding a Knuckle Head, wound up riding in the back because I had a handy trunk, and wore gloves for picking up hot parts. They would just ride on (except when the carb fell off) and I would stop and pick up whatever fell off. Challenge met! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:41:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFfRU18320; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:41:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614154124.5145.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:41:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <14e.f597ac3.2a3b61fc@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/2002 4:26:25 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > but it don't allow me to remove the > > real axel nut. > > If you have the complete kit it damn well should, check, > it may be a spark > plug type socket. i have a ducati. a 46mm socket (or wrench adjustable to that size) is required to remove teh rear axle nut. the tool kit most certainly does not have anything of the sort. > The post I was replying to was on chain adjusting, and > the tools to do the > job. Since you need to loosen the axel to do that it was > implied. and i merely pointed out that you had made an overstatement. for those of us that do not need to loosen the rear axle nut to adjust our chains, your statement was incorrect. your point was certainly a good one though.... > To leave home without > the tools to remove a wheel in case of a flat is a bad > idea. that would require more space than i've got. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFhPT18475; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:43:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:43:08 EDT Subject: Re: yellowstone anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/14/2002 12:55:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, piffiffi@XXXXXX writes: > Just wondering if any of the listers rode ever to the yellowstone Yep. In 1976 and once since then. Ping me off list if I can provide any info. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:52:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFqSM18783; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:52:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17.29b4af71.2a3b6b30@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:52:16 EDT Subject: Re: Tool Kit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/14/2002 10:37:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GBruhl@XXXXXX writes: > I can't believe you all are dinkin' around with OEM tool kits This thread started with a parking lot chain adjustment, sort of an "on the road" thing (at least that is how I interpreted it, perhaps that is the cause of the disagreement.) Money spent on decent tools is very well invested, god knows I have a few, but unless you have a trunk or saddle bags (all the time) the OEM kit is probably all you can carry. (The tools I bought to replace the crap that came with my Triumph had to be cut and ground to fit in the stock toolbox.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:53:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFrbx18828; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:53:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pallis@XXXXXX Subject: Suggestions to keep bike going Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:52:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 15:52:26.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B3E5590:01C213BB] >My new bike, a '91 Bandit 400, is in great shape and I plan on keeping >it >that way - but I'd like to know what kind of things I should be >checking >regularly just to keep tabs on the bikes condition, and to >make sure I >don't go riding with loose bolts etc. Anyone have a >checklist that they >use and would like to share? Also, since I bought the bike, I haven't taken >it in >to a dealer, do you (the collective, I guess) feel this is necessary, >on >top of my own inspection. >> "My new" 1991 bike.... Nothing like a new 10 year old model! No I don't have a checklist you should use before riding it. I would have someone mechanically qualified look it over though. What I have, which I hope will help, is my checklist for reducing trouble and obtaining long life, based on 25 years of owning new and used boats, cars and motorcycles. In no particular order: o Get a good high quality, easy to maintain vehicle to begin with. Don't buy cheap junk. o You get the best value from recent model used vehicles, but avoid abused vehicles, vehicles that have been in accidents or that have no maintenance history. o Treat as if you want to keep it forever. Don't rev it to the redline, etc.... o Follow the scheduled maintenance in the owner's manual religiously. o If there are two maintenance schedules follow the one for severe, heavy or dusty duty. o Find a good mechanic (not easy), or (even harder) become one. o Always have a skilled trusted mechanic doing the work and looking for problems before they get big. o With a few exceptions, avoid most dealers even if it is under warranty. Dealers usually over charge. o Keep track of recalls. o Be observant so that little problems don't develop into major breakdowns: Be aware of and get fixed any fluid leaks; vibrations, strange rattling, pinging or other sounds; strange or unusual performance behavior, including bad gas mileage, slipping clutch etc. o Wash it often, this helps you discover those leaks, cracks and other problems in the driveway. They will be more obvious on a clean machine, and you are more likely to see them while washing. o Get a copy of the manufacturer's service manual, its worth the investment, even if you don't do the work yourself you will understand what needs to be done, what does not, and what is involved. This strategy has allowed me to avoid a car, boat or motorcycle payment for all but a few of the those 25 years. I got 15 years out of my first vehicle: a used 1962 Evenrude 90 HP outboard and boat. I now have 25 years on a Chrysler 8 HP outboard. I got 10 years out of a 1984 Stingray boat -- sold for what I bought it for because I needed money (first child). I got 150,000 miles from a 1984 Subaru GL which was sold because it was too small. I've gotten 110,000 so far from a mechanically mediocre 1988 Mustang (only because of a good mechanic who has caught many things before disaster). We now have 105,000 miles on our 1994 Jeep Cherokee which gets very severe use towing the boat. I can't say enough good things about that little Jeep. Before I sold it I got over 30,000 miles on a little Kawi 250 Eliminator (sold for slightly less than the purchase price); and now have 45,000 miles on my current Pacific Coast (which I have no intention of selling, ever). My latest purchase is another used boat -- another Stingray 2000 model, which I intend to get 15 years from. On the other hand I put only 10,000 miles and less than a year on what turned out to be a mistake, a 1985 Nighthawk with no maintenance history. I bought it 8 years used, very cheap from a certain large dealer with two locations in Northern VA. In that year I had the carbs, forks and ultimately the engine rebuilt under a used bike warrantee. I was tired of it being in the shop, and tired of having it towed from home, the office and I-395. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:56:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFu2618953; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:56:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY0L+/JybmGrdL0QsKMY+RY3GPtUB1cBXTqqeYg0QdeMPS9FzZbfC08s2oollsXPE0= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Suggestions to keep bike going Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > o Treat as if you want to keep it forever. Don't rev it to the redline, > etc.... oops. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:58:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFwFW19104; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:58:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ba01c213bc$c0b40d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Pierre C" , "dc-cycles list" Cc: "VFRLIST" References: <20020614134601.4231.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: yellowstone anyone? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:00:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Pierre, I've been there, on a cage trip, alas. We drove from the in-laws in Casper, Wyo. Things are very far apart in the West. What looks around the corner on the map takes half a day. We drove west on Hwy. 26 from Casper, past the aptly named "Hell's Half Acre," then through Riverton and along the base of the Wind River Range. The view from the pass as you descend into the Teton basin is worth the trip in itself. Pay your $10 and you have run of the place for a week. We were there in 95 and the burn areas from the '88 fires were very extensive. My sense is that "primitive" tent camping is fairly generous in the park; but improved spots for RVs, etc., get snapped up quickly and you need to reserve in advance. On a moto this shouldn't be a problem. :) Milady prefers not to camp, so we stayed in a cabin at the Lake Hotel and a couple days at Mammoth Hot Springs, near the North Entrance. This was in early September and it got cold, in fact it snowed our last day. Be prepared for cold weather. It can snow in any month at YNP. It snowed once on the 4th of July. Lots of tourists and big RVs. Still, get a few hundred yards off the beaten path and you can basically have the place to yourself. The big attractions like Old Faithful geyser are over-run with hordes of people; tour buses discharge their passengers, everyone gets their pictures and they pile back on to go to the next attraction. Kind of like DC in that respect. There can be traffic snarls too. Bear jams, elk jams, bison jams....basically anywhere the critters get close enough to the roads for people to take pictures. The Park Service seems to be in perpetual road maintenance mode too, which makes for delays, closed roads and potentially lengthy detours. The road serving the East Entrance (nearest Cody) was closed the year we went. On the way back to Casper we drove via Cody, Thermopolis and the Wind River Canyon which is a nice ride/drive too. In the interest of full disclosure, Pierre is probably riding to Wyo. with me this year. I'll be spending most of the time doing the in-law thing, but Pierre will be free to roam the state. Lucky him. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 ----- Original Message ----- > --- Pierre C wrote: > > > > Just wondering if any of the listers rode ever to > > the Yellowstone, > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 11:59:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EFxgu19193; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:59:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:58:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 15:58:35.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[56DDC8B0:01C213BC] AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Some AXXHole backed over my Honda Hawk yesterday!!!!! It was parked about 3 feet behind an Excursion when I last saw it whole. When I got back he was gone but the bike was knocked over and he had run up on the front wheel and forks!! I can't believe this! No note, nothing. I have GEICO and there is uninsured motorist coverage but there is no way it's going to cover 1/2 the stuff that been added to it recently. A sad, sad, sad time..... -Marc >From: Tom Gimer >To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:41:24 -0700 (PDT) > >--- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 6/13/2002 4:26:25 PM Eastern Daylight > > Time, > > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > but it don't allow me to remove the > > > real axel nut. > > > > If you have the complete kit it damn well should, check, > > it may be a spark > > plug type socket. > >i have a ducati. a 46mm socket (or wrench adjustable to >that size) is required to remove teh rear axle nut. the >tool kit most certainly does not have anything of the sort. > > > > The post I was replying to was on chain adjusting, and > > the tools to do the > > job. Since you need to loosen the axel to do that it was > > implied. > >and i merely pointed out that you had made an >overstatement. for those of us that do not need to loosen >the rear axle nut to adjust our chains, your statement was >incorrect. your point was certainly a good one though.... > > > To leave home without > > the tools to remove a wheel in case of a flat is a bad > > idea. > >that would require more space than i've got. > > > >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 12:04:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EG41Y19394; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:04:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6f.28f9c680.2a3b6dd5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:03:33 EDT Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/14/2002 11:41:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > i have a ducati. a 46mm socket (or wrench adjustable to > that size) is required to remove teh rear axle nut. the > tool kit most certainly does not have anything of the sort. > I did indeed overstate. I tend to forget how many Ducks there are in this area, and I am simply not familiar with them (I would love to be more familiar, I love the look and have reason to believe I would love the ride. (If I was just rich...)) As for not being able to remove the wheel on the road... That sucks. As bikes become more complicated and difficult to work on the tool kits get crappier and crappier. Question, Do the sport tour Ducks come with tool kits? Mea Culpa. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 12:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EGFhb19821; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:15:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35.2837d9dc.2a3b70a0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:15:28 EDT Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/14/2002 12:00:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcwashington@XXXXXX writes: > Some AXXHole backed over my Honda Hawk yesterday!!!!! That SUCKS! I hate to "parallel" park my bike. Maybe we should all write down the tag numbers of cars in front and back of us when we do. Not that it would be any guarantee that it would not be another car that hit us, but we could go look for damage to their car if we did get hit that way. Maybe we need a "There is a bike behind you!" sign to put under the windshield wipers. Maybe an "I will torch your car if you hit my bike" sign. Damn cages. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 12:18:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EGIcY19908; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:18:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614161836.29642.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:18:35 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Tool Kit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <17.29b4af71.2a3b6b30@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > knows I have a few, but unless you have a trunk or saddle bags (all > the time) > the OEM kit is probably all you can carry. (The tools I bought to As Rich-the-one-with-the-hanging-chain (there must have been 6 inches of slack in that thing!) can attest, my little roll of tools contained therein 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16mm wrenches, a mid-sized crescent good for 23mm or whatever the Seca-II rear axle is, a mid-sized minus screwdriver for such things as leverage/chisel/hammer, and a standard pair of pliers. We had his chain fixed likety. The tool roll which is no thicker than my fist and no longer than 10 inches, permanently lives in the upper 1/4 portion of my tank bag. The lower portion had a sponge piece I cut up to hold my cell phone, spare batteries, spare H4 bulb (from when I was stick in pitch blackness on a windy 2-lane road with no hi-beam), and a spare plug or two. Oh and a swiss army knife which totally saved my bacon when the pin holding the shifter together on my Trident just bloomin' fell off the very afternoon the buyer agreed to purchase. OEM toolkit? Bah humbug! I think I need to take the 13 and 15mm wrenches out, get another 12mm, and put in a 17mm. A spark plug socket would be helpful as would a Philips. For Christmas I got a $20 socket kit from a friend which I sometimes throw in there too but it's usefulness isn't all that great. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 12:22:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EGMmH20069; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:22:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614162246.89617.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! To: Marc Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Marc Washington wrote: > AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! > > Some AXXHole backed over my Honda Hawk yesterday!!!!! It > was parked about 3 > feet behind an Excursion when I last saw it whole. When > I got back he was > gone but the bike was knocked over and he had run up on > the front wheel and > forks!! > I can't believe this! No note, nothing. I have GEICO > and there is > uninsured motorist coverage but there is no way it's > going to cover 1/2 the > stuff that been added to it recently. i feel your pain, dude. what makes you think that your insurance won't cover your accessories? have you considered/checked your policy with respect to making a comprehensive claim? i've never had a problem getting insurance to cover any bike-related loss--including mods. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 12:28:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EGS2j20274; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:28:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [209.8.13.194] From: "r hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tool Kit Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:26:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 16:26:55.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C9D6FF0:01C213C0] My emails been down all morning, i just subscribed to a Hotmail account. I wanted to thank Matthew for helping me out last night, he's a great guy. The wings at the Buffalo Wing Factory were great too. Thanks to Dan for offering to help tomorrow, but now i'll be ready to go. If i missed any changes to the Harpers Ferry trip last night, this morning, please forward them to this addess off list. >From: matthew patton >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Tool Kit >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:18:35 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > knows I have a few, but unless you have a trunk or saddle bags (all > > the time) > > the OEM kit is probably all you can carry. (The tools I bought to > >As Rich-the-one-with-the-hanging-chain (there must have been 6 inches >of slack in that thing!) can attest, my little roll of tools contained >therein 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16mm wrenches, a mid-sized crescent good >for 23mm or whatever the Seca-II rear axle is, a mid-sized minus >screwdriver for such things as leverage/chisel/hammer, and a standard >pair of pliers. We had his chain fixed likety. > >The tool roll which is no thicker than my fist and no longer than 10 >inches, permanently lives in the upper 1/4 portion of my tank bag. The >lower portion had a sponge piece I cut up to hold my cell phone, spare >batteries, spare H4 bulb (from when I was stick in pitch blackness on a >windy 2-lane road with no hi-beam), and a spare plug or two. Oh and a >swiss army knife which totally saved my bacon when the pin holding the >shifter together on my Trident just bloomin' fell off the very >afternoon the buyer agreed to purchase. >OEM toolkit? Bah humbug! I think I need to take the 13 and 15mm >wrenches out, get another 12mm, and put in a 17mm. A spark plug socket >would be helpful as would a Philips. For Christmas I got a $20 socket >kit from a friend which I sometimes throw in there too but it's >usefulness isn't all that great. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 12:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EGcTc20514; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:38:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00fa01c213c2$60127240$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <35.2837d9dc.2a3b70a0@aol.com> Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:40:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'd second penguin's thought that it sucks. What I dread are the "park by sense of feel" parallel parkers. The kind who keep backing unless they feel a solid nudge from another cage. Trouble is bikes don't offer the same resistance, so they just keep backing. I was at the local Mom and Pop hardware once and some knucklehead backed into my bike and knocked her flat. Luckily it was the beater, which had already encountered Mother Earth up close and personal a few times under previous ownership. The guy went back into the store and had me paged. He was apologetic, up to a point, but he still seemed to act like it was somehow *my* fault that *he* didn't see my bike when he was backing up. No damage done, so I thanked him for his honesty and shrugged it off. I decided to forego the, "I don't know, looks like the frame could be bent, hey my mirror's scratched, none of those dings were in the bodywork when I left it, Honda only made 46 of these bikes and you can't get parts, I really don't want to have to involve your insurance company, give me two Ben Franklin portraits and I'll forget the whole thing" shakedown. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 6/14/2002 12:00:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > marcwashington@XXXXXX writes: > > > Some AXXHole backed over my Honda Hawk yesterday!!!!! > > That SUCKS! > I hate to "parallel" park my bike. Maybe we should all write down the tag > numbers of cars in front and back of us when we do. .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 12:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EGmcd20780; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f401c213a4$242eb400$fc7e5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: GPS info Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:05:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In light of recent GPS listchat, this yesterday -- (not my ballgame but looked informative). The hard copy has a lot of pictures. G.P.S. in the Hand: Worth It in the Bush http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/13/technology/circuits/13BASI.html An Add-On Helps the Organizer Keep Its User on the Right Path http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/13/technology/circuits/13GEE2.html Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Point and shoot Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 13:01:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EH1MC21126; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:01:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614170120.62040.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: GPS info To: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <00f401c213a4$242eb400$fc7e5b0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, Bill, but that only helps folks who have a web subscription. Any chance of posting the text of the articles? Chris Weaver --- "Mobacc (now @ATT)" wrote: > In light of recent GPS listchat, this yesterday -- > (not my ballgame but > looked informative). The hard copy has a lot of > pictures. > > > G.P.S. in the Hand: Worth It in the Bush > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/13/technology/circuits/13BASI.html > > > An Add-On Helps the Organizer Keep Its User on the > Right Path > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/13/technology/circuits/13GEE2.html > > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 --> Point and shoot > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 13:06:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EH6b121282; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:06:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020614130505.022508e8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:06:01 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: GPS info In-Reply-To: <20020614170120.62040.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00f401c213a4$242eb400$fc7e5b0c@micron> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5EH6a021270 At 01:01 PM 6/14/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: >Thanks, Bill, but that only helps folks who have a web >subscription. Any chance of posting the text of the >articles? Subscription is free : An Add-On Helps the Organizer Keep Its User on the Right Path By J.D. BIERSDORFER Nothing illustrates the adage "Wherever you go, there you are" better than seeing your location pinpointed on an electronic map by a Global Positioning System device. For those packing Palm or iPAQ Pocket PC organizers on their next trip to unfamiliar territory, Navman USA makes a series of G.P.S. receivers that can turn a simple hand-held computer into a navigation system that can determine location every two seconds. The Navman G.P.S. unit clips onto the back of the organizer, and its thick antenna receives signals from satellites that are used to calculate the user's position. The package includes a bracket to mount the device on a car dashboard. It comes with the Rand McNally Streetfinder Deluxe Travel Navigation software to install on a desktop PC so that users can download street maps and travel information to their organizers. Navman G.P.S. units are already available for the Palm m100 and m500 series and the older Palm III, V and VII organizers. A version for the Compaq iPaq Pocket PC is to be released at the end of the month. Technical specifications for each version are available at www.navmanusa .com. The devices for Palm organizers cost about $200, while the iPaq G.P.S. unit is expected to cost around $300 M-^W perhaps a small price to pay for never getting lost again. G.P.S. in the Hand: Worth It in the Bush By BONNIE TSUI WHEN you are hiking, there is something nice about being away from the buzz of technology, enjoying the outdoors without having any superfluous equipment get in the way. But there is always a moment during the trek when you need to head to the campsite or the next checkpoint, or back to the car. That might be the time for someone M-^W or something M-^W to point you in the right direction. The latest Global Positioning System hand-held devices propose to make finding your way home effortless. G.P.S. devices use timing signals from a network of 24 satellites to calculate the user's latitude, longitude and altitude and to provide information on how to get to where you want to be. Restrictions on the accuracy of consumer G.P.S. devices were lifted by the Defense Department, which operates the system, two years ago. As a result, the accuracy of consumer models improved from 330 feet to 30 feet under the best operating conditions. The newest G.P.S. hand-held devices can receive signals from the Wide Area Augmentation System, or WAAS, a ground- and space-based system designed for airplane guidance. WAAS signals improve accuracy to within 15 feet. Navigation companies are now tailoring lightweight hand-held devices to the growing outdoor recreational market. I took four top-of-the-line models to the backwoods of Long Island to do a little experimenting. (Though many of the devices I tested are also intended for city navigation, G.P.S. signals are weak and are easily blocked by large buildings and other obstructions M-^W even car roofs and tinted windows.) All four M-^W the Garmin GPSMap 76S, Brunton's Multi-Navigation System (MNS), Magellan's Meridian Platinum and Lowrance's iFinder Plus M-^W are designed for a range of outdoor activities, including hiking, camping, biking and mountaineering. Models loaded with marine navigation aids can also be used for fishing and boating. Most top-end G.P.S. hand-held devices have mapping, which allows you to view road and topographical maps while navigating. Using an on-screen map, for example, you can locate your position and follow your progress by marking waypoints. Such a mapping unit will not only guide you during the hike but also give you driving directions to the trailhead from your front door. I found the Garmin GPS MAP 76S ($449) to be the most advanced of the units I tested. Waterproof and buoyant, it has a barometric altimeter to indicate weather trends and record highest and lowest elevation. It also comes with a basic road map of North and South America, including major highways, rivers, lakes, cities and borders. You can get more map data by hooking the G.P.S. device up to a PC and downloading the contents of one of Garmin's CD-ROM's. Because road maps lack the detail necessary for outdoor use, hikers will probably want the MapSource U.S. TOPO map, which is similar to United States Geological Survey topographic paper maps and shows detailed geographic features like elevation contours, as well as hiking trails and campgrounds. The 76S was quick in attaining its position M-^W after I turned it on, the unit took less than a minute to acquire satellite signals and give a reading. (G.P.S. devices need contact with at least three satellites to provide the latitude and longitude of your position; at least four satellites are required for a reading that includes altitude.) Even with all its features, the 76S is easy to use, with buttons that are clearly labeled and functions that are self-explanatory. (When I tested it, Garmin was still writing the manual, but I was able to figure most things out myself.) With each of the four devices, I marked the same "home" waypoint and wandered a mile. Although it is WAAS-enabled, the 76S never really got me back to the exact spot where I began. And while its arrival alarms rang when I approached the location M-^W a very helpful feature M-^W the unit's "distance to location" reading then fluctuated around 30 feet, even when I was standing at the original starting point. I encountered the same accuracy problem with the Magellan Meridian Platinum ($400) and the Lowrance iFinder Plus ($429), which are also WAAS-enabled. When I asked about this, Sidney London at Magellan's technical support told me that the WAAS system has not yet been completed by the government. (Lowrance also explains this in its instruction manual.) The few WAAS satellites that have been deployed are in a fixed orbit around the equator and appear close to the horizon in North America, making it difficult for ground receivers to acquire the signals if there are trees or high terrain nearby. Mr. London recommended leaving the unit in place for two to five minutes for the unit to average the location and gain a more accurate fix before setting a waypoint. Of all the models I tested, I found the Brunton Multi-Navigation System ($359) to be the most accurate, even without any flashy on-screen maps. It consistently returned me to the exact spot where I had marked a waypoint. The easy-to-use buttons are identified by icon (the instruction manual chart is very helpful). Though the MNS does not display maps itself, it is compatible with topographical mapping software offered by National Geographic or Delorme; you can download data from the G.P.S. unit and chart your course over time on a PC. Like the Garmin, the MNS has an altimeter that relies on atmospheric pressure, not satellite signals, for its readings. The built-in compass is magnetic and also works independently of the G.P.S. Unlike G.P.S. devices with electronic compasses, the magnetic compass still works even if the unit is not receiving satellite signals, and it can also take bearings when the unit is off (to save battery life). The MNS comes with a storm-watching barometer that gives 12-hour weather forecasts, excellent for extended camping trips. Brunton also offers the nifty SolarPort accessory ($95), a compact solar panel that can recharge the G.P.S. device as well as cellphones and other small electronics. The SolarPort generates 2.2 watts of power, which is not a lot, but it can maintain two fully charged rechargeable AA batteries; two SolarPorts can power the MNS without batteries. Like the Garmin 76S, the Magellan Meridian Platinum has easy-to-read buttons and a built-in expandable map database; you can add detailed topographic maps with MapSend CD-ROM's via a PC. Waterproof and floatable, the Platinum can also show vertical profile graphs of your elevation changes. The Lowrance iFinder Plus lost its position most frequently, and I often had to walk around to reacquire satellite contact. For the best accuracy, the unit needs to be moving M-^W it relies on your speed to determine your direction of travel. The iFinder's real strength is as a full mapping unit; the Plus version comes with hardware and software to create customized maps on a memory card. (Other models in the iFinder line come loaded with road maps or coastal navigation aids.) And it is versatile: it can be used for marine navigation, inland road travel or camping, depending on the memory card you insert. I also tested two entry-level models, the Garmin eTrex ($145) and the Magellan GPS 310 ($120); but after using the higher-end devices, I was skeptical of trusting either of the less expensive models. The new Magellan SporTrak Pro ($269) is a good compromise if you don't want to spend a lot and you want an accurate, easy-to-use device with top-of-the-line features. Of course, for many hikers, there is no substitute for a good topographical map and an old-fashioned magnetic compass. Experts advise, in fact, that you always bring maps and a compass along, because they never run out of power. But as long as you keep a spare set of batteries in your pack, a hand-held G.P.S. unit will make it hard to get lost. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 13:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EHQZs21705; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [209.8.13.194] From: "r hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:26:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 17:26:28.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DCFE670:01C213C8] >From what i've heard if you have your receipts they'll cover them. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Marc Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Marc Washington wrote: > > AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! > > > > Some AXXHole backed over my Honda Hawk yesterday!!!!! It > > was parked about 3 > > feet behind an Excursion when I last saw it whole. When > > I got back he was > > gone but the bike was knocked over and he had run up on > > the front wheel and > > forks!! > > I can't believe this! No note, nothing. I have GEICO > > and there is > > uninsured motorist coverage but there is no way it's > > going to cover 1/2 the > > stuff that been added to it recently. > >i feel your pain, dude. > >what makes you think that your insurance won't cover your >accessories? have you considered/checked your policy with >respect to making a comprehensive claim? > >i've never had a problem getting insurance to cover any >bike-related loss--including mods. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 13:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EHZRp22014; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:35:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: "Doug Allis" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pallis@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suggestions to keep bike going Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:34:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5EHZR022002 Check your oil level frequently. avoid dealerships because they often take to long as well as overcharge. check your chain condition and slack frequently. use medium locktight on any bolt you remove and replace. Dont' attempt ANY stunts. And the number one menace to motorcycles = other drivers. Keep your space cushion and stay away from all other objects, and expect everything is about to come right into your space and keep an escape route, a place to go, because those objects will come into your path. If you have any problem or concern, step #1 is to post here. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 13:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EHad322063; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614173636.77221.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Suggestions to keep bike going To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > > o Treat as if you want to keep it forever. Don't rev > it to the redline, > > etc.... > > oops. yeah, like what the F is the rev-limiter for??? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:10:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIAp222809; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [130.111.50.134] Reply-To: simon_weiss@XXXXXX From: "Simon Weiss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: max traction, and more Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:10:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 18:10:44.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCD706F0:01C213CE]
Hey,
   I want to lower the handlebars on my Bandit400, so I got a hold of some CBR Clip-Ons which happen to be the ride diameter according to a couple reliable sources.  Now, for instillation, since they don't have a removable face, it looks as though I'll have to remove the top fork clamp (the part that houses the ignition lock).  Has anyone done anything like this before and knows what has to be done?  I'm guessing that I remove the top fork clamp (if this can be done) and just slide the clip-ons down the fork leg, then replace the clamp.... sounds good?
 
Thanks
-Simon
PS: did you know that there's no helmet law in ME (or in RI).  People just ride around on the zx-9s and FZR600s in shorts, t-shirts, and helmet free.  Every time I see these people a big neon sign lights up in front of me that says "squid" but I refrain from pointing it out to them, to avoid altercation. 
 
PPS:  I found a nice road around here the other day with a couple tight turns, but I'm having a hard time getting a feel for how much traction I actually have - I want to get leaned over, but I obviously don't want to lose it.  Are their telltail signs to feel/look for to indicate when I'm about to exceed my tires' limits?  Will my tires squeel like they do on my Saturn when I take a turn at the vehicles limits?

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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIB3v22826; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:11:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614181037.254.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Euan Fisk" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:10:37 -0500 Subject: parked bike hit - again X-Originating-Ip: 209.190.248.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com So this is getting old - my '76 KZ400 just got hit while parked in the motorcycle parking spaces at New Hampshire & M st. in DC. Guess it's a good thing I've usually ridden 'beater' bikes since this is about the 4th or 5th time a bike of mine has been knocked over in 3 years, with one of them [a '70's CB400SS] having been run over and destroyed by a 40' beer delivery truck. At least this time the guy left a note. The only reason the beer delivery guy stopped was that the bike was lodged between his front wheel & engine. Sounds like it's time to start looking for a garage spot in the area. thanks for letting me vent - time to call the scrap yards & ebay for parts... -Euan euan@XXXXXX -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum Internet service. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:16:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIGbN23066; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:16:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY/GQcvp5OPzySeZASeeq4z9nfvJxbj7mW0oTiRdy+Z58qyZrzUIG3x5P0sVJhYIkk= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Suggestions to keep bike going Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:16:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > -----Danny the anti-squid wrote: > > Dont' attempt ANY stunts. > -----and Tom questioned: > > yeah, like what the F is the rev-limiter for??? > It's to bring the front wheel back down at the end of second gear. It's useless in first gear, I'll loop out way before it kicks in if I don't shift or back off. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EILNI23275; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614182114.6622.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: parked bike hit - again To: Euan Fisk , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020614181037.254.qmail@mail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii that sucks; how do these morons hit a bike parked there? usually there's a row of bikes, it ain't like it's cage lane ... --- Euan Fisk wrote: > So this is getting old - my '76 KZ400 just > got hit while parked in the motorcycle parking > spaces at New Hampshire & M st. in DC. Guess > it's a good thing I've usually ridden 'beater' > bikes since this is about the 4th or 5th time > a bike of mine has been knocked over in 3 years, > with one of them [a '70's CB400SS] having been > run over and destroyed by a 40' beer delivery truck. > At least this time the guy left a note. The only > reason the beer delivery guy stopped was that the > bike was lodged between his front wheel & engine. > Sounds like it's time to start looking for a garage > spot in the area. thanks for letting me vent - time > to call the scrap yards & ebay for parts... > -Euan > euan@XXXXXX > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at > Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum > Internet service. > http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:25:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIPOM23377; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:25:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: simon_weiss@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: max traction, and more Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:24:36 -0400 Message-ID: <8uckgusv70kau5358oo9vp5rqfqmug3pgv@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5EIPO023365 First, PLease turn off your HTML encoding feature of your email program. Now.. I've taken top tripple clamps off plenty of times.. sometimes you may have to turn the bars to a certain angle.. maybe to the full right position.. depending on your setup. As far as tires.. they way to tell if you're over too far is to stick your knee out. if your knee is touching the ground.. if you're knee is down.. you're cool.. you dont need to go any further. If you ever find yourself scared in a curve.. don't let up off the gas, don't brake, just focus your eyesight on the inside white line, keep your head up, and keep leaning and looking through the curve. Be patient, lean a little more and it will all be over in about 2 seconds... dont' panic and dont' hit your brakes. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:10:43 -0400, you wrote: |>
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   I want to lower the handlebars on my Bandit400, so I got a hold of some CBR Clip-Ons which happen to be the ride diameter according to a couple reliable sources.  Now, for instillation, since they don't have a removable face, it looks as though I'll have to remove the top fork clamp (the part that houses the ignition lock).  Has anyone done anything like this before and knows what has to be done?  I'm guessing that I remove the top fork clamp (if this can be done) and just slide the clip-ons down the fork leg, then replace the clamp.... sounds good?
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PS: did you know that there's no helmet law in ME (or in RI).  People just ride around on the zx-9s and FZR600s in shorts, t-shirts, and helmet free.  Every time I see these people a big neon sign lights up in front of me that says "squid" but I refrain from pointing it out to them, to avoid altercation. 
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PPS:  I found a nice road around here the other day with a couple tight turns, but I'm having a hard time getting a feel for how much traction I actually have - I want to get leaned over, but I obviously don't want to lose it.  Are their telltail signs to feel/look for to indicate when I'm about to exceed my tires' limits?  Will my tires squeel like they do on my Saturn when I take a turn at the vehicles limits?

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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:27:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIRi523547; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:27:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:25:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 18:25:11.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1C4B4D0:01C213D0] Well they were recent additions and they suggested they weren't liable because I hadn't reported them. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Marc Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Marc Washington wrote: > > AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! > > > > Some AXXHole backed over my Honda Hawk yesterday!!!!! It > > was parked about 3 > > feet behind an Excursion when I last saw it whole. When > > I got back he was > > gone but the bike was knocked over and he had run up on > > the front wheel and > > forks!! > > I can't believe this! No note, nothing. I have GEICO > > and there is > > uninsured motorist coverage but there is no way it's > > going to cover 1/2 the > > stuff that been added to it recently. > >i feel your pain, dude. > >what makes you think that your insurance won't cover your >accessories? have you considered/checked your policy with >respect to making a comprehensive claim? > >i've never had a problem getting insurance to cover any >bike-related loss--including mods. > > >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:27:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIRMM23529; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:27:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: RE: Suggestions to keep bike going Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:26:34 -0400 Message-ID: <79dkguo5chv9aj468bfhuunf06f4ams70j@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5EIRL023517 So how many gears do you shift through on one wheel? and do you use the clutch or clutchless shift? |>It's to bring the front wheel back down at the end of second gear. |> |>It's useless in first gear, I'll loop out way before it kicks in if I don't |>shift or back off. |> |>--jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIWEK23825; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:32:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614183208.16870.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: max traction, and more To: dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good question for a new rider to ask. Unfortunately, it's not one that's easy to answer. How much warning you get from your tires depends on a few things - how new the tires are, what sort of tires they are, what inflation they have, how well your suspension is set up, how well your bike's chassis was designed, and a lot of other factors including how good a rider you are. It would be impossible for us to give you a definitive answer to this one. A general answer is that sometimes you can sense a slide starting to happen and you can correct it - other times it slides out so quickly there's nothing you can do about it. If you ARE a new rider (and I assume this from the question), chances are very good that you have not yet gotten anywhere near the limits of your bike's adhesion to the road. Usually, if you haven't started scraping your footpegs (or other part of the bike) along the ground, you also have not approached the lean limit of the tires and bike. A VERY common mistake that many riders make is to go into a corner faster than they feel comfortable with, stand the bike up because they don't think the bike can make the turn, and then run off the road into the weeds/guardrail/tree/etc. In a lot of cases this scenario is completely avoidable by simply leaning the bike more. Try to remember this next time you think you went into a turn too hot. Good luck, Chris Weaver --- Simon Weiss wrote: Are their telltail signs to feel/look for to indicate when I'm about to exceed my tires' limits? Will my tires squeel like they do on my Saturn when I take a turn at the vehicles limits? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:36:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIasH24000; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:36:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614183647.32324.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Euan Fisk" To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:36:47 -0500 Subject: Re: parked bike hit - again X-Originating-Ip: 209.190.248.71 X-Originating-Server: ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com Guess I was the only one stupid enough or with a crappy enough bike to want to ride today. My bike was the only one there. It is sort of an earth tone [rust colored & rusty], but it's still 400 pounds of licensed metal that would make an awfully unattractive hood ornament. Too bad they usually tip the other way when hit. -Euan euan@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: Isaac Blanck > that sucks; how do these morons hit a bike parked > there? usually there's a row of bikes, it ain't like > it's cage lane ... > --- Euan Fisk wrote: > > So this is getting old - my '76 KZ400 just > > got hit while parked in the motorcycle parking > > spaces at New Hampshire & M st. in DC [snip] -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum Internet service. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:43:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIhoY24247; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:43:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010701c213b2$ef656020$fc7e5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "Chris Weaver" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20020614170120.62040.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: GPS info Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:51:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I'll be happy to USmail copies -- "fair use hardcopy" -- to (a reasonable number) who don't wish to go through the free NYT signup (caution understandable, but I've had zip displeasure). Email me your mailadd offlist. (I'd email, but the hardcopy outranks.) Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" ; "DC-Cycles" Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: GPS info > Thanks, Bill, but that only helps folks who have a web > subscription. Any chance of posting the text of the > articles? > > Chris Weaver > > --- "Mobacc (now @ATT)" wrote: > > In light of recent GPS listchat, this yesterday -- > > (not my ballgame but > > looked informative). The hard copy has a lot of > > pictures. > > > > > > G.P.S. in the Hand: Worth It in the Bush > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/13/technology/circuits/13BASI.html > > > > > > An Add-On Helps the Organizer Keep Its User on the > > Right Path > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/13/technology/circuits/13GEE2.html > > > > > > Bill S. / DC > > '99 VN750 --> Point and shoot > > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:41:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIfpc24083; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:41:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614184137.21359.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! To: Marc Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if i weren't leaving tomorrow morning for a week, i'd ask you to fax me your policy. if this is still unresolved when i return, send a copy to me. it may very well be that the insurer has limited its liability in these respects, but i wouldn't take anyone's word for it until i had read ALL of the relevant provisions. after all, the property hasn't been stolen --> there is no risk of fraud here, as your damaged parts are physically verifiable by the adjuster. --- Marc Washington wrote: > Well they were recent additions and they suggested they > weren't liable > because I hadn't reported them. > > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Marc Washington , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June > 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! > >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) > > > >--- Marc Washington wrote: > > > AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! > > > > > > Some AXXHole backed over my Honda Hawk yesterday!!!!! > It > > > was parked about 3 > > > feet behind an Excursion when I last saw it whole. > When > > > I got back he was > > > gone but the bike was knocked over and he had run up > on > > > the front wheel and > > > forks!! > > > I can't believe this! No note, nothing. I have > GEICO > > > and there is > > > uninsured motorist coverage but there is no way it's > > > going to cover 1/2 the > > > stuff that been added to it recently. > > > >i feel your pain, dude. > > > >what makes you think that your insurance won't cover > your > >accessories? have you considered/checked your policy > with > >respect to making a comprehensive claim? > > > >i've never had a problem getting insurance to cover any > >bike-related loss--including mods. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 14:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EIfej24065; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:41:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [209.8.13.194] From: "r hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: parked bike hit - again Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:41:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 18:41:32.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AC15420:01C213D3] The threat of hail & damaging winds scared me to take the Metro. >From: "Euan Fisk" >To: >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: parked bike hit - again >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:36:47 -0500 > >Guess I was the only one stupid enough or with a >crappy enough bike to want to ride today. My >bike was the only one there. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 15:06:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EJ6VK24846; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:06:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYenrvdGyUfT/taoLdpPO2D4T7ghS87H00bTFc0KNDt/u0riNWS03XJUAcgp5/+Vuw= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "Danny MotorPsychoL" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: RE: Suggestions to keep bike going Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:06:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <79dkguo5chv9aj468bfhuunf06f4ams70j@4ax.com> Importance: Normal > -----------Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > > So how many gears do you shift through on one wheel? and do you use > the clutch or clutchless shift? I use the clutch on streetbikes as a rule. I don't usually ride through both first and second in a wheelie; I run out of pavement or cojones, or both. And I really don't want to loop out a 500# bike. On various dirtbikes, I'd say I've probably carried the front wheel through nearly all of the gears at some point....clutch and no clutch. In first, I just throttle it up; half throttle on the Bandit (mostly stock except full exhaust system, stage II jet kit w/ pod filters, 5* timing advancer) will loft the front wheel at about 3500 rpm in first gear. I find it easier to clutch it up in second. I don't load the suspension (bounce it) to get it up and I don't do stand-up wheelies. I've never had success in third, but I haven't really tried too hard. It has lofted a bit on a hard shift to third, say coming out of a corner WFO with my weight biased to the back. --jon 01 s00z00ky Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 15:34:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EJYaR25941; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:34:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <025801c213da$f8904d40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "r hall" , References: Subject: Re: parked bike hit - again Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:35:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hail, wow, I could use a good back, leg and shoulder massage on my way to teach MSF out at Loudoun.... Wind, practice those counter-steering skills while maintaining a straight course..... Snow/ice...only then will I take Metro. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "r hall" > The threat of hail & damaging winds scared me to take the Metro. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 15:40:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EJeNT26102; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614194021.83074.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: parked bike hit - again To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020614183647.32324.qmail@mail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Euan Fisk wrote: > Guess I was the only one stupid enough or with a > crappy enough bike to want to ride today. Thanks for painting my Nighthawk or me in such a wonderful light. Like all those scaredy-cats that ran from the light rain we had yesturday... Sheesh I was wearing JR Reactor jacket and pants. You know the ones with the big-open mesh. After a solid 40 minutes in light to mild rain my shirt got good and wet, sure but the pants did remarkably well. And for the ride home I stuffed a 7-11 plastic bag up my front to minimize the water. Not riding because of some threat of weather is like all of DC shutting down because it could, just might snow a quarter inch!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 16:10:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EKAgn26691; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:10:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614201040.13147.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: GPS info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020614130505.022508e8@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wow, I sure wouldn't spend those prices, especially now that I have an eMap. If anyone wants my RandMcNally unit for the Palm III family (might work on others) they are welcome to it. $30. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 16:11:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EKBeU26736; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:11:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <028d01c213e0$2526d860$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Marc Washington" , References: <20020614184137.21359.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:13:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Some policies do have a limit ($500 comes to mind) on non-original equipment accessories unless you buy a rider. This was the case with GEICO and one of the many reasons I ditched them. That and their steadfast refusal to write comprehensive policies in DC. It doesn't take much to go through $500 on bike accessories. Replacement value on my Givis alone exceeds that. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > if i weren't leaving tomorrow morning for a week, i'd ask > you to fax me your policy. if this is still unresolved > when i return, send a copy to me. > > it may very well be that the insurer has limited its > liability in these respects... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 17:01:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EL1h227694; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:01:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614210140.73585.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: MCN does a Mesh riding jacket comparo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Heh. Pity it's coming out now instead of 3 months ago. Unfortunately they didn't do a skid test to evaluate how robust they would be when pressed into protective duty. That is something I would have liked to see. Like tossing a 180lb dummy off the back of a truck doing 40mph down a freeway and seeing how the material survived and how much of the maniquin was busted. Cooling was priority #1, though. They rated them: 1. FirstGear Mesh Tex 2. Teknik Supervent 3. JR Phoenix __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 17:04:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EL4Ws27759; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:04:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZW9KBSK3QFxEbPyoQN6IZ7k5faE4gOydjV04i+kPixZJ3Kr20YCx+D5CBBEq1F66E= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: MCN does a Mesh riding jacket comparo Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:04:49 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020614210140.73585.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal At first I took offense, then I realized Matthew didn't mean me. --jon > -----matthew patton wrote: > That is something I would have liked to > see. Like tossing a 180lb dummy off the back of a truck doing 40mph > down a freeway and seeing how the material survived and From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 18:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EMWn529294; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:32:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020614183206.0104c578@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:34:26 -0400 To: hornet900@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: [hornet900] July Motorcycle Consumer News In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:13 PM 6/14/2002, redriderjim wrote: >They tested nine "Vented Mesh Riding Jackets". Highest rated and quite a >bit ahead of the rest were: >FirstGear Mesh Tex @$140 www.firstgear-usa.com >Teknik Supervent @ $130 www.teknicgear.com >Joe Rocket Phoenix @ $140 www.joe-rocket.com > >If you don't subscribe to MCN, then you should cancel all the rest of your >periodicals and get this one. >www.mcnews.com I did, but I haven't received this issue, and their Web site is about the most screwed-up, useless site I've ever seen. Was the Kushitani included? If cooling was the prime criterion, it's hard to comprehend the above rankings, since my Kush rides a lot cooler than my Phoenix. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 18:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5EMkQV29591; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:46:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020614224624.86443.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:46:24 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [hornet900] July Motorcycle Consumer News To: hornet900@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020614183206.0104c578@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Larry Larson wrote: > I did, but I haven't received this issue, and their Web site is about > the most screwed-up, useless site I've ever seen. And they don't give a fig. Mired in miopia over print they are. (why I am falling into Yoda-speak?)I swear they don't have anyone who gives a whip about modern technology if it involves silicon and itty-bitty wires on circuit boards. Join the 21st century already. > Was the Kushitani included? If cooling was the prime criterion, it's > hard to comprehend the above rankings, since my Kush rides a lot cooler > than my Phoenix. er, which Kushitani? Probably the 2017 model. Yes, it won the cooling-in-motion test handily but absolutely sucked at cooling while at rest. They also dinged it for the lousy excuse of padding and lack of armor (which arguably is a $15 option). They also dinged it for no padded cuffs, no sleeve adjustment and rather expensive considering it's lack of features. It got a score of 30 vs 34.5 for the FG, 34 for the Teknik and 33.5 for the JR. It missed the podium finish because somebody got greedy or dumb. (no armor? what the heck were they thinking?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 14 20:54:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5F0sfA01891; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:54:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:54:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200206142054.AA126747252@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: MCN does a Mesh riding jacket comparo X-Mailer: They said their comparison was from the point of view of what's as cool as a t-shirt but has more protection. I think their readership would be more interested in what gives reasonable protection but has more cooling than current leather and fabric suits. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: matthew patton Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:01:40 -0700 (PDT) >Heh. Pity it's coming out now instead of 3 months ago. Unfortunately >they didn't do a skid test to evaluate how robust they would be when >pressed into protective duty. That is something I would have liked to >see. Like tossing a 180lb dummy off the back of a truck doing 40mph >down a freeway and seeing how the material survived and how much of the >maniquin was busted. > >Cooling was priority #1, though. They rated them: > >1. FirstGear Mesh Tex >2. Teknik Supervent >3. JR Phoenix > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 15 06:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5FAusq13037; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 06:56:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D0B1EC6.4D745437@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:02:31 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Tool Kit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > I can't believe you all are dinkin' around with OEM tool kits... I still > have about half of my Beemer kit and have augmented it over the years with > stuff that REALLY reduced my desire to strangle M/C or auto design > engineers. Make your lives easier... pick up some nice long throw > wrenches, maybe some Allen sockets (there's about 4 to 5 sizes you REALLY > need). A NICE LONG THROW 22 or 24mm for the axle nuts. 99% true, OEM tool kits are mega-junk, but... While messing over my late friends Kawi UJM in a vain attempt to get it running (suffering from long term neglectful storage), I discovered that the cheesy sheet metal plug wrench was the only tool I had that would get at the spark plugs! All my standard plug sockets were too fat. And clever design and engineering? NOT! Step #1 spark plug service - remove fuel tank. > Got a special job, buy the correct tool, just doing the work yourself > justifies the expense. If you're bolts aren't tight, it ain't done right. > > Torque wrench (I still haven't found one suitable enough for me -- ANY > SUGGESTIONS), I have a great idea for one! ??? I've seen T- wrenchs in ft/lbs, in/oz, and metric equivalants. An in/oz one would be cool for those tender aluminum bits on outboards and M/Cs. I guess the only neat addition to T-wrenchs I can think of is an in/oz torque settable screw/nut driver. > Impact Driver (a must for Japanese OEM bits and pieces). No shitski! Damn phillips screws - first week of ownership, bang all those cheesy PH screws out and replace with allens. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 15 11:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5FFpPg17317; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:51:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14a.f6433b0.2a3cbc69@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:51:05 EDT Subject: Re: Tool Kit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/15/2002 6:57:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > No shitski! Damn phillips screws - first week of ownership, bang all those > cheesy PH screws out and replace with allens. In 8 years as a motorcycle mechanic I _never_ found a #3 Phillips head I could not get out. (There are tricks to the trade) But _allens_ when those sob's strip, and they strip easy, you are screwed (no pun intended) (I did rarely have to drill out a #2 but the taper created by a stripped Phillips makes a damn fine centering jig.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 15 18:21:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5FMLWo22692; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006d01c214ba$bb6cfdb0$8e2c2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Larry Larson" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020614183206.0104c578@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: [hornet900] July Motorcycle Consumer News Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:19:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Perhaps they are averse to giving away copyrighted material for free. Magazines do not exist as a public service. They either pay their way or disappear. And, since MCN accepts no advertising, either print or electronic, they can't get advertisers to essentially pay for a web site. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Larson" > > > >If you don't subscribe to MCN, then you should cancel all the rest of your > >periodicals and get this one. > >www.mcnews.com > > I did, but I haven't received this issue, and their Web site is about the > most screwed-up, useless site I've ever seen. > > Was the Kushitani included? If cooling was the prime criterion, it's hard > to comprehend the above rankings, since my Kush rides a lot cooler than my > Phoenix. > > -- Larry > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 15 20:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5G0Ud625041; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:30:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: HArpers Ferry ride Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:30:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 00:29:37.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5870430:01C214CC] It was a nice ride this Saturday. Hope we can get together and do this again, perhaps another destination this time? Harpers ferry was packed with cars and tourists.. I cant remember names very well, but it was cool meeting you guys. On my way home, there was a Audi Station wagon, taking turns at an incredible speed, i was amazed. After i passed him, i just had to give him thumbs up :). Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 15 22:28:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5G2SJ026704; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:28:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020616022804.2034.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:28:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: HArpers Ferry ride To: Ricardo Pontes , dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After the Huddle Club and our split on Rt 7. Dan and I went to go ride 211. It was a really good ride out there. I think Dan liked his first ride on 211. You can tell me if I'm wrong. The only bad part about it was that as we were hitting the curves the first time over the mountain (yes, we went over the mountain twice) we saw that a biker had gone down. Hope that he or she was alright. It seemed that the bike might have gone over one of the guard rails. It looked like the accident crew was trying to figure out how to get it back up. I thought the day was great and we will have to do another ride soon. It was great meeting everyone that I didn't already know and good to hang with those I did know before hand. Steve '01 YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 16 10:51:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5GEpMd07442; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:51:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:52:11 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Steven Burrow cc: dccycles Subject: Re: HArpers Ferry ride In-Reply-To: <20020616022804.2034.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Steven Burrow wrote: > there. I think Dan liked his first ride on 211. You > can tell me if I'm wrong. You could say I liked it. I'm sitting here thinking of ditching all the work I have to do today and take the 1 hour ride back up there! Thanks Steve, the world now has one more 211 addict. > or she was alright. It seemed that the bike might have > gone over one of the guard rails. It looked like the > accident crew was trying to figure out how to get it > back up. Yep, that was a definate reality check. I think we both toned it down a little bit after seening that. I thought I saw a little blood on the pavement. That took away a good bit of the mojo. Hopefully whoever it was, wasn't too badly hurt. > I thought the day was great and we will have to do > another ride soon. It was great meeting everyone that > I didn't already know and good to hang with those I > did know before hand. It really was a great day. We couldn't have had better weather. It was great meeting everyone. I had a blast. For those that missed out on 211, you really missed out. Some people had questions about my ear plug/music setup... below are some links that I used to make the mods. here are the actual units: http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=1229&e=11000082 this is the mod: http://www.headwize.com/projects/cmoy4_prj.htm He goes into way too much detail and starts to complain about sound quality. While they don't sound like $300 ear phones, they beat the crap out of anything under $100. The best part about the combo is you don't have to lose your hearing to enjoy music. The ear plugs filter out all the road/wind noise and you get to listen to your tunes at a reasonable volume. Dan 01 YZF600R 02 FLHR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 16 11:37:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5GFbsM08119; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:37:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020616153751.38538.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: [hornet900] July Motorcycle Consumer News To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006d01c214ba$bb6cfdb0$8e2c2c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Perhaps they are averse to giving away copyrighted > material for free. > Magazines do not exist as a public service. They > either pay their way or > disappear. And, since MCN accepts no advertising, > either print or > electronic, they can't get advertisers to > essentially pay for a web site. I didn't suggest that they should do anything for free. They have a Web site already; they could follow the models of many other magazines, and provide their monthly content to subscribers, either included in the paper subscription fee, or for an additional fee, or as a separate paid subscription. As it is now, the have a Web site with a header for the current issue, whcih contains nothing at all from the current issue. They have several main page buttons leading to other empty pages as well. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 16 13:45:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5GHj4110199; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:45:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: Subject: RE: A few of my favorite wing things. Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I think CJ Nickels is no more. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Bruhl, George LT suggested: Try CJ Nickels in Springfield for good wings. It's on Backlick south of Old Keene Mill, down about a mile on the left. in the middle of a strip mall parking lot. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 16 13:53:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5GHrAu10367; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:53:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:38:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00fa01c213c2$60127240$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I call this 'Parking using the Braille method'. Or the 'Hey, that's what bumpers are for' system. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Paul Wilson said" What I dread are the "park by sense of feel" parallel parkers. The kind who keep backing unless they feel a solid nudge from another cage. Trouble is bikes don't offer the same resistance, so they just keep backing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 16 14:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5GIVOX11030; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:31:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D0CD975.5090209@elever.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:31:17 -0400 From: Will Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Photos from June BikeNight @ Carpool Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Bikers, I've been off the list for a while, but I am back now, much more into riding these days. I took some photos at a recent BikeNight, and put them up for all to see: http://zing.elever.com/motorcycling/2002/BikeNight-Carpool-June Cheers, Will Mitchell '99 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 16 22:47:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5H2l6W18407; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:47:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.200.12.23] From: "Sanath S" To: ricardo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HArpers Ferry ride Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:45:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 02:45:55.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A84C3C0:01C215A9] That sure was a fast moving Audi Station Wagon. Who knew an old station wagon could move that fast. Verizon service vans are pretty quick too.. hmm.. :) Sanath >On my way home, there was a Audi Station wagon, taking turns at an >incredible speed, i was amazed. After i passed him, i just had to give him >thumbs up :). > >Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 09:09:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HD9oL27803; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:09:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [209.8.13.194] From: "r hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MCN does a Mesh riding jacket comparo Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:08:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 13:08:43.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BAD79C0:01C21600] The Phoenix seems to be winning on the street, I see them everywhere. >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: MCN does a Mesh riding jacket comparo >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:54:26 -0400 > >They said their comparison was from the point of view of what's as cool as >a t-shirt but has more protection. > >I think their readership would be more interested in what gives reasonable >protection but has more cooling than current leather and fabric suits. > >Chris Norloff > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: matthew patton >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:01:40 -0700 (PDT) > > >Heh. Pity it's coming out now instead of 3 months ago. Unfortunately > >they didn't do a skid test to evaluate how robust they would be when > >pressed into protective duty. That is something I would have liked to > >see. Like tossing a 180lb dummy off the back of a truck doing 40mph > >down a freeway and seeing how the material survived and how much of the > >maniquin was busted. > > > >Cooling was priority #1, though. They rated them: > > > >1. FirstGear Mesh Tex > >2. Teknik Supervent > >3. JR Phoenix > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 09:06:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HD6Po27696; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:06:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50113DB@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dccycles Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry ride Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:06:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wouldn't recommend the Huddle Club, but at least I have some funny stories to tell my friends from it. It was a great ride though, fantastic weather and a good group of guys. I didn't see one wheelie, stoppie, or burnout the entire ride. Is that gravel road in the directions that Steve had sent out? I was going to save them but don't want to make that mistake again. West on 7 to 28 south, Right on Old Ox Rd (621), right on Evergreen Mills Rd (621), right on King St (15n), get on Rt 7 bypass to Berlin Turnpike (287s), right on Hirst Rd (this might be called Pancoast Rd in some maps), right on Pucellville Rd (611), left on Charles Town Pike (9w), right on Harpers Ferry Rd (671), left on 340W, cross the bridge and take the first right on to Shenandoah St into Harpers Ferry. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 10:47:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HElDa29499; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:47:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:47:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: parked bike hit - again In-Reply-To: <20020614194021.83074.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, matthew patton wrote: > Not riding because of some threat of weather is like all of DC > shutting down because it could, just might snow a quarter inch!! Amen, brother. All y'all southern types are simply weather wimps. Maybe I was spoiled (yes, spoiled) by Chicago weather -- rain? Who cares, I need to go to the store. Snow? Ahh, no biggie, let's go get takeaway. Blizzard? Well, maybe I'll slow down to 40 on my way to the deli. Note that this sort of foolishness is less of a good idea on a motorcycle, but come on, closing school because it _rained_? Give me a break. Fish. has, in fact, driven to the deli in a blizzard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 10:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HEw5Y29782; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: parked bike hit - again Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:57:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0206171057502H.32024@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 17 June 2002 10:47, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, matthew patton wrote: > > Not riding because of some threat of weather is like all of DC > > shutting down because it could, just might snow a quarter inch!! > > Amen, brother. All y'all southern types are simply weather wimps. Maybe I > was spoiled (yes, spoiled) by Chicago weather -- rain? Who cares, I need > to go to the store. Snow? Ahh, no biggie, let's go get takeaway. Blizzard? > Well, maybe I'll slow down to 40 on my way to the deli. > All this talk about being afraid of the rain is so much who-ha. It's not the rain, it's not the slick roads, it's the slick-willies. I've watched a tractor-trailor slide to the right because he was driving too fast for the rain. And the Whoppers don't come in a box anymore. So they're looking at their cell while they dial, holding the whopper while holding the wheel with one knee. Add the rain/snow/hint of either, and the panic sets in. Then they head to the grocery stores to stock up on bread and milk as if the whole state was snowbound. *sheesh* > Note that this sort of foolishness is less of a good idea on a motorcycle, > but come on, closing school because it _rained_? Give me a break. > > Fish. > has, in fact, driven to the deli in a blizzard I rode home on my CB360T in '79 in a snow storm at 2am. I wouldn't recommend it but it was fun. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 11:42:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HFgD300717; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:42:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007001c21616$0328eae0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Weather weenies, was Re: parked bike hit - again Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:39:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Ah yes, the Washington Weather Weenie (TM), a species that views "bad" weather as a way to tap an entitlement to time off, variously known as "snow days" or "unscheduled leave." This particular critter found little solace during the past winter, where it snowed only once--and on a Saturday to boot--so some comfort is derived from the dire warnings of severe late afternoon summer weather, few of which seem to amount to much. Still good for an early office departure once in a while though. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, matthew patton wrote: > > > Not riding because of some threat of weather is like all of DC > > shutting down because it could, just might snow a quarter inch!! > > Amen, brother. All y'all southern types are simply weather wimps. Maybe I > was spoiled (yes, spoiled) by Chicago weather -- rain? ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 11:46:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HFkF200867; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:46:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:46:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Weather weenies, was Re: parked bike hit - again In-Reply-To: <007001c21616$0328eae0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > Ah yes, the Washington Weather Weenie (TM), a species that views "bad" > weather as a way to tap an entitlement to time off ... The word "entitlement" has always made me shudder, or at least has done so since I realized that people use it to justify their own stupidities. You know, things like welfare, Ford Expeditions, riding helmetless, and loud pipes. Fish. founder, serial comma fan club From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 11:55:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HFtL601096; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:55:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <45CB5720CC54D311A2A70004ACE5255C022EBBB4@EXCHANGE> From: "Copeland, James" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Harpers Ferry Ride Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:59:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had a great time Saturday. It was nice to meet everyone. Also, I can put a check mark next to "visit huddle club in WV, " on my things to do before I die list! Let's set another ride up soon. Jim 00' VFR 99 Duc 748 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 12:21:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HGLv005734; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:21:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B799@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'marcwashington@XXXXXX'" Subject: AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:25:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Marc Washington mildly whispered, "AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Some AXXHole backed over my Honda Hawk yesterday!!!!! It was parked about 3 feet behind an Excursion when I last saw it whole. When I got back he was gone but the bike was knocked over and he had run up on the front wheel and forks!!" Check to see if the parking lot has video surveillance. Fellow on SabMag had a similar experience. Checked through the tapes and Bingo. They worked for the same company so finding the offender was easy. He denied it until confronted with the video. Sic 'em. and good luck Carl in Bethesda OEM Tools: Bill Huson hooted boldly, "Have Harley, carry tools, even a metric adjustable!" Yeah, but the metric only works for tightening. You gotta use the SAE for loosening. :^) PenguinBiker proclaimed, "Rode on a 600mi. trip with some folks including a guy riding a Knuckle Head, wound up riding in the back because I had a handy trunk, and wore gloves for picking up hot parts. They would just ride on (except when the carb fell off) and I would stop and pick up whatever fell off. Challenge met!" Harley speak: Honda: in parking lot: Rice burning piece 'o crap. on road: Handy to have to haul partz, fetch new ones, or catch a ride to the trailer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 13:00:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HH0S806522; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:00:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:59:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 16:59:21.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[5344FD70:01C21620] Well, I made a report to the Zoo Police which is where this happened. When I get the Incident Report # from them, I'll ask about that. >From: "Custer, Carl" >To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >CC: "'marcwashington@XXXXXX'" >Subject: AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:25:49 -0400 > >Harpers Ferry trip? June 15-AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! >Marc Washington mildly whispered, >"AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! >Some AXXHole backed over my Honda Hawk yesterday!!!!! It was parked about >3 >feet behind an Excursion when I last saw it whole. When I got back he was >gone but the bike was knocked over and he had run up on the front wheel and >forks!!" > >Check to see if the parking lot has video surveillance. >Fellow on SabMag had a similar experience. >Checked through the tapes and Bingo. >They worked for the same company so finding the offender was easy. >He denied it until confronted with the video. >Sic 'em. and good luck > >Carl in Bethesda > >OEM Tools: >Bill Huson hooted boldly, "Have Harley, carry tools, even a metric >adjustable!" >Yeah, but the metric only works for tightening. You gotta use the SAE for >loosening. :^) > >PenguinBiker proclaimed, "Rode on a 600mi. trip with some folks including a >guy riding a Knuckle Head, wound up riding in the back because I had a >handy >trunk, and wore gloves for picking up hot parts. They would just ride on >(except when the carb fell off) and I would stop and pick up whatever fell >off. Challenge met!" > >Harley speak: >Honda: >in parking lot: Rice burning piece 'o crap. >on road: Handy to have to haul partz, fetch new ones, or catch a ride to >the >trailer. > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 13:21:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HHL5L07007; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:21:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD501145F@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry (Huddle Club) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:21:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I did notice that on the Huddle Club's website that they don't open until 3pm on Saturday and we got there at 2:30 I think. This could explain the unprofessionalism. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 13:40:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HHeKU07335; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:40:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:41:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Rich Hall cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry (Huddle Club) In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD501145F@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > I did notice that on the Huddle Club's website that they don't open until > 3pm on Saturday and we got there at 2:30 I think. This could explain the > unprofessionalism. I think the fact that none of us had beer goggles on explains most of the unprofessionalism. Anyway, it was $5 well spent for a great story. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 14:25:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HIPR908280; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:25:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GSX-R 600 reviews? Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:25:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 18:25:20.0049 (UTC) FILETIME=[56352210:01C2162C] It looks like they may have to total the bike. Not sure yet. Anyway, anyone have pros and cons on GSX-R 600. Anybody not like it? Is it rider friendly or fincky about handling etc.... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 14:43:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HIhM008723; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:43:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Wynn, Brad" To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: SPAM Warning: Bike for Sale... Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:47:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I am selling my 1989 Honda 650 Hawk GT. It has 15,000 miles on it, red, pretty much stock as far as I can tell, and runs fine. New tires. I am asking $2800 OBO. Being a new rider, I thought I could get used to the forward riding position, but I found I can't stay on the bike too long without my arthritic shoulder flaring up. So I bought a used a Kawasaki w650, which has a much more upright position and doesn't bother my shoulder at all. Thus, I am selling the Hawk. Feel free to email me with questions, and thanks for tolerating the spam. -Brad W From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 15:28:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HJS9F09586; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:28:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GSX-R 600 reviews? Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:27:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 19:27:56.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[151C2900:01C21635] So the YZF6R is pretty comfortable for medium (2-300 mile) trips? There are so many frickin' bikes out there. I've only been riding about a year (almost everyday and winter though) so I haven't had the chance to ride a lot of bikes. As far as I can tell dealerships will not really test ride bikes? Any options to get a taste of these bikes before I buy? >From: matthew patton >To: Marc Washington >Subject: Re: GSX-R 600 reviews? >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:03:58 -0700 (PDT) > >it's the most uncomfortable bike on the planet. next? > >What did you have before? I don't remember. You can do just as much >damage by getting an YZF6R, an Honda F3/F4, ZX-6. If crotch rockets are >your schtick and you like those kinds of insurance rates... > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 15:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5HJZud09873; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:35:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: "Marc Washington" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GSX-R 600 reviews? Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:35:42 -0400 Message-ID: <91esgu8t8tsafg72lujktvh4h7rh0h5hdg@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5HJZt009857 It leans you forward pretty good. I'm not sure of the riding position you're used to. The other thing i remember from a magazine article was that it was "buzzier" than the rest.. I suspect because Kawasaki has rubber on the footpegs and the gsxr doesn't. I know a girl who rides she had one, then she went and got the 750.. So i don't know, you may want to get the 750 and skip the 600 IF you're aggressive in nature. Personally, I like my kawaski zx6r more than the gsxr 600. On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:25:19 -0400, you wrote: |>It looks like they may have to total the bike. Not sure yet. Anyway, anyone |>have pros and cons on GSX-R 600. Anybody not like it? Is it rider friendly |>or fincky about handling etc.... |> |>_________________________________________________________________ |>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 20:36:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5I0aO714695; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:36:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D0E81B2.C2419182@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:41:22 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club U.S.A. www.soc-usa.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Washington , DC Cycles Subject: Re: GSX-R 600 reviews? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc Washington wrote: > It looks like they may have to total the bike. Not sure yet. Anyway, anyone > have pros and cons on GSX-R 600. Anybody not like it? Is it rider friendly > or fincky about handling etc.... > Marc, The Gixxer 6 gets rave reviews on the Suzuki Lists that I monitor. I really like the M version seen here; http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_02/supersport/bp_gsx600_tel.htm Steven C. Di Pietro Suzuki Owners Club U.S.A. http:www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 17 21:24:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5I1OCW15422; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:24:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:23:20 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry (Huddle Club) Message-ID: <66D47DE2.27B20F24.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You have to say that beer can thing took talent. lol... I'll try to post the pic's up this week. We have to all get together again, soon. -Mark In a message dated Mon, 17 Jun 2002 1:21:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > I did notice that on the Huddle Club's website that they don't open until > 3pm on Saturday and we got there at 2:30 I think. This > could explain the > unprofessionalism. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 00:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5I4bD718322; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:37:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New Leather Jacket for sale , size 44 $125 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:37:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5I4bC018310 AGV sport jacket $125 1.3mm soft goatskin leather size 44. has shoulder padding but lacks pockets for back or forearm padding. Someone could always have it added at a local leather or shoe shop.. I may do that myself and keep it.. but at the same time i'd like to buy a 2 peice suit so i dont mind letting this jacket go. I've worn it like twice, and will probably wear it tomorrow. It's still new and looks very stylish and feels cool. It's good skin protection and a lot better than those joe rocket jackets. I get a lot of compliments on it. below is the link to the website with a pic of the jacket and description. http://www.agvsg.com/rider/index.html the discription implies it's perforated or vented, and i can't observe the ventilation, but i do feel it nad it's really a comfortable jacket. If anyone wants to meet up with me, I have no problem riding out to MD or DC and showing you the jacket. ( I can ride home without it to get my other jacket no problem if you're ready to buy it ) Just email me if interested, thanks Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 00:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5I4sTw18685; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:54:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D0EBCB8.94F9F354@cox.rr.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:53:12 -0400 From: asm@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Accessories for Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I still have the following for sale..... all great shape! Accessories for sale separately: http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Accessories1.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Bike01.JPG $140 Honda NH backrest/rack/pouch w/ bolts, like new http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Rack1.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Rack2.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Rack3.JPG $100 Shoei RX800 black XL helmet new w/bag and box http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Shoei1.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Shoei2.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Shoei3.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Shoei4.JPG $200 First-Gear Kilimanjaro Kevlar all-weather XL jacket black/reflective absolutely brand new http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Jacket1.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Jacket2.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Jacket3.JPG http://pswcs.com/graphics_temp/andrew/Jacket4.JPG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 07:45:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IBj4P25102; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:45:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437DA9@XCGVA030> From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: 2 Day Ride Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:45:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Looking for anyone interested in a 2 day excursion into WV weekend of 29 June. Leave from some convenient point in northern VA, plan on about a 400 mile day, stop overnight at a local motel, then head back the next day. I did a trip like this last year with three fellow listers and it turned out to be a great weekend ride. Any takers? Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 07:49:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IBnOX25232; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:49:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Fish Flowers'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Weather permitting Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:48:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Way down heeyah, we git us some cloud bursts that would scare the bejesus outta my dawg, Duke, an' he don't scare eazy neither. I don't worry none about the rain, nor the high water, but that lightin', boy, that thar lightin' will fry ya up quicker than pig cracklin'. Them thar tree branches will hit your haid and tump yor butt rite that tarmac quicker than a cotton mouth after a country mouse... lickity split I tell ya! BAM! Your in a world of hurt! A couple of winters ago, why, we had to call out the farmers to hep clear the snow off the roads, seein as they had all them tractors and the guvment only had a few pieces of equipments up to the task. We got them thar roads cleared by gawd and was able to make it into town twice that same week! > Not riding because of some threat of weather is like all of DC > shutting down because it could, just might snow a quarter inch!! Amen, brother. All y'all southern types are simply weather wimps. Maybe I was spoiled (yes, spoiled) by Chicago weather -- rain? Who cares, I need to go to the store. Snow? Ahh, no biggie, let's go get takeaway. Blizzard? Well, maybe I'll slow down to 40 on my way to the deli. Note that this sort of foolishness is less of a good idea on a motorcycle, but come on, closing school because it _rained_? Give me a break. Fish. has, in fact, driven to the deli in a blizzard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 07:57:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IBvJa25509; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:57:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <50.d12963f.2a4079f2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:56:34 EDT Subject: Re: AAAAAAARRRRGH!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/17/2002 1:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcwashington@XXXXXX writes: > When > I get the Incident Report # from them, I'll ask about that. Dont wait! Those tapes are not kept for any lenth of time, but recorded on over and over, it may already too late, I would check NOW! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 07:59:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IBxmv25579; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:59:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <142.10239f35.2a407a8a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:59:06 EDT Subject: Re: GSX-R 600 reviews? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/17/2002 3:29:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcwashington@XXXXXX writes: > Any options to get a taste of these bikes before I buy? Some of the Mega Rallies will have fleets of demo bikes that you can ride, unfortunately that has become one of the only ways to ride the damn things before buying, unless you know someone. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 08:03:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IC33W25743; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:03:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a7.3c77e7e.2a407b42@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:02:10 EDT Subject: Re: Weather permitting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 My father tells about riding to work... His work? Drove a snowplow. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 08:10:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ICAis25942; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:10:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:10:47 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Rash of bike Thefts To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <001501c2164b$d5606da0$0200a8c0@theunit> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Just wanted to pass it on that several bikes have been stolen in the last few days. Of course seeing that most people on this list seem to be smarter than the average bear (or at least think they are ;) I'm sure they are already prepared. But for the people somewhat new to the area like myself, it may be a surprise that not chaining your bike to a concrete anchored pole in a locked garage or the like is lunacy. Just another of the gifts of the DC metro area. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 08:12:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ICCXl26072; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:12:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'Fish Flowers'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Unscheduled Leave Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:11:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's still leave. Hey what the heck is leave for? For taking. Liberal leave isn't stealing, you are charged for it. I've taken leave when I didn't feel like going to work (to go riding) plenty of times (schedule/weather permitting). I've also taken leave when I didn't want to mess around on the roads with a bunch of gleeful SUV drivers who finally had the opportunity to crank up the 4 wheel drive and are doing donuts in intersections while reporting the event to their support group via cell phone. Why bother yourself with that, take a day off -- you've earned it, it'll will be subtracted from your leave balance, so what! If you can't take leave, guess what, you are the proud owner of a crises management job, I see those folks everyday, running off the train, beepers going off or talking fast on their cells as they bump and shove there way to the exits and the egresses from the stations (poor things). I've had those types of jobs too. But when I want to take a day of "vacation" or leave, I take it. It's mine, I get 30 of them per year, I'm using them. >a species that views "bad" weather as a way to tap an entitlement to time off, variously known as "snow >days" or "unscheduled leave." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 08:31:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ICV8o26500; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:31:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D0F2964.754F54B4@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:36:52 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'Fish Flowers'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Unscheduled Leave References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. Of course, being self-employed (euphemism for bum) I can take off whenever, and I do. Snow and even heavy rain keep me lounging around the home base. Same reason as you, George, why put oneself in the line of fire, so to speak. The DC metro area has an amazing number of crappy drivers. I like the ones who have a SUV but are so frigging ignorent they didn't realize that not all SUVs have 4WD and try launching off in the snow in a rear wheel only version, expressing total bewilderment when their big-ass truck hits the ditch. "But it's an SUV!" they squeal. Dumb, dumber, dumbest... Bill "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > It's still leave. Hey what the heck is leave for? For taking. Liberal > leave isn't stealing, you are charged for it. I've taken leave when I > didn't feel like going to work (to go riding) plenty of times > (schedule/weather permitting). I've also taken leave when I didn't want to > mess around on the roads with a bunch of gleeful SUV drivers who finally had > the opportunity to crank up the 4 wheel drive and are doing donuts in > intersections while reporting the event to their support group via cell > phone. Why bother yourself with that, take a day off -- you've earned it, > it'll will be subtracted from your leave balance, so what! > > If you can't take leave, guess what, you are the proud owner of a crises > management job, I see those folks everyday, running off the train, beepers > going off or talking fast on their cells as they bump and shove there way to > the exits and the egresses from the stations (poor things). I've had those > types of jobs too. But when I want to take a day of "vacation" or leave, I > take it. It's mine, I get 30 of them per year, I'm using them. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 08:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ICfwG26735; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:41:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020618085717.016a9e10@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:57:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Test rides (was Re: GSX-R 600 reviews?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:59 AM 6/18/02 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 6/17/2002 3:29:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >marcwashington@XXXXXX writes: > >> Any options to get a taste of these bikes before I buy? > >Some of the Mega Rallies will have fleets of demo bikes that you can ride, >unfortunately that has become one of the only ways to ride the damn things >before buying, unless you know someone. Why is it that you can't test ride a new Japanese bike (most of the time), but brands like Aprilia, Ducati and Triumph encourage test rides? The reason I said 'most of the time' for Japanese bikes is that Twiggs in Hagerstown offers 4 mile test rides on a few of their bikes. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 08:48:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ICmQl27030; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:48:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020618124819.22243.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:48:19 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Test rides (was Re: GSX-R 600 reviews?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020618085717.016a9e10@noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if you're looking for a used one (or can find a used one of what you want) places like Manassas Honda let me loose on a ZR-7 back in 2001. Suggested I try the PW County parkway. I decided to try that and a circuit of Clifton while I was at it. 15 miles or more I reckon. BMW of course let's you ride however much you want. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 08:48:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ICm4B26965; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:48:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020618090323.016a985c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:03:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Unscheduled Leave Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:11 AM 6/18/02 -0400, Bruhl, George LT wrote: >It's still leave. Hey what the heck is leave for? For taking. Liberal >leave isn't stealing, you are charged for it. I've taken leave when I >didn't feel like going to work (to go riding) plenty of times >(schedule/weather permitting). I've also taken leave when I didn't want to >mess around on the roads with a bunch of gleeful SUV drivers who finally had >the opportunity to crank up the 4 wheel drive and are doing donuts in >intersections while reporting the event to their support group via cell >phone. Why bother yourself with that, take a day off -- you've earned it, >it'll will be subtracted from your leave balance, so what! I'm with you, George! I have a Suburban (use it to tow my race car) and I don't go to work when it snows in the DC area. Too many idiots out there in their SUVs :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 09:00:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5ID0h527396; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:00:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5011501@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Rash of bike Thefts Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:01:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Do you know where or what type of bikes are being stolen? From: dan carr [mailto:djcarr1@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:11 PM Just wanted to pass it on that several bikes have been stolen in the last few days. Of course seeing that most people on this list seem to be smarter than the average bear (or at least think they are ;) I'm sure they are already prepared. But for the people somewhat new to the area like myself, it may be a surprise that not chaining your bike to a concrete anchored pole in a locked garage or the like is lunacy. Just another of the gifts of the DC metro area. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 09:16:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IDGeC27747; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:16:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:16:05 -0400 From: Doc PC X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal Reply-To: Doc PC X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <128526207562.20020618091605@primushost.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Unscheduled Leave In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020618090323.016a985c@noid.org> References: <3.0.32.20020618090323.016a985c@noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A workmate is looking for a bike, preferably in the $1K-$1.5K range. I'm thinking an older CB650, or something like that would suit him. Lower is better, since he's not terribly tall. Anyone knowing of a bike for sale in good running condition in that price range, please email me at docs.at.shore.net (replace the "at" as usual). Thanks! Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- State Officer for Virginia Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 10:13:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IEDjh28786; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:13:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c216d2$bc69f8c0$da5a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: O/T Metro Parking HELP!!! Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:16:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Please excuse my bandwidth, but I once again need the collective wisdom of the... uh... collective. A friend is coming into town this coming Thursday and needs to park long-term at a Metro lot. Can she park there for the four days she'll be here? Will they tow her (sweep the lots) at night, or what? Is there any long-term parking for Metro on the MD side (that's easy for a NY'er to find)? Drop my a line off list, please, so that we can save the list for other off-topic threads. (;-P) Howard J. Koontz, digest-ally impaired 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project "Blasphemy is a victim-less crime" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 11:53:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IFrtp00688; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:53:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dan carr Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Rash of bike Thefts Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:53:40 -0400 Message-ID: <9jlugucego8dms4p3utvu0e8pj14rhunid@4ax.com> References: <001501c2164b$d5606da0$0200a8c0@theunit> In-Reply-To: <001501c2164b$d5606da0$0200a8c0@theunit> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5IFrj000676 Actually someone had his bike NY chained to a concrete slab, in an anchor in the ground in VA.. they still took it. I highly suggest you park your popular sport bikes out of sight and out of access of others. Find a friend with a garage... and offer him $100/year to keep your bike there (less than $10 a month)... or find a friend with a back yard and offer to buy/build them a shed if you can store your bike there. or if you're in a town house, take your bike around back. Also don't think your bike wont' get snatched up in the daytime, because it will. They will take it any hour of the day.. 10 am... 8 pm.. any time. any where. If you dont' have a dog in your back yard, get one. They take them out of back yards too. They take them out of garage's too. Let your dog sleep in the garage with the bike or something. Also get a bike alarm system. An alarm that can also turn the bike off if someone robs you of it. On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:10:47 -0200, you wrote: |>Just wanted to pass it on that several bikes have been stolen in the last |>few days. Of course seeing that most people on this list seem to be smarter |>than the average bear (or at least think they are ;) I'm sure they are |>already prepared. But for the people somewhat new to the area like myself, |>it may be a surprise that not chaining your bike to a concrete anchored pole |>in a locked garage or the like is lunacy. Just another of the gifts of the |>DC metro area. Dan |> |> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 12:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IGIbJ01217; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:18:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618121515.023d9cb0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:16:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Perfect Weather Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I just have to say that the last two days have been ideal weather in the VA suburbs. Not too humid, light cool breeze at stoplights, bright blue sky. Maybe I'll skip out for a second lunchtime ride ;-) The weather leaves no excuse for _not_ washing my bike. A co-worker actually made a dirt bike comment yesterday. The VFR has mud crusted to the swing arm. Beautiful. Combination of gravel roads and the recent monsoon season has left things a bit crusty. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 14:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IID4u03304; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:13:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020618142802.04bd9028@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:28:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Perfect Weather Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:16 PM 6/18/02 -0400, you wrote: >I just have to say that the last two days have been ideal weather in the VA >suburbs. Not too humid, light cool breeze at stoplights, bright blue >sky. Maybe I'll skip out for a second lunchtime ride ;-) > >The weather leaves no excuse for _not_ washing my bike. A co-worker >actually made a dirt bike comment yesterday. The VFR has mud crusted to >the swing arm. Beautiful. Combination of gravel roads and the recent >monsoon season has left things a bit crusty. Here in Frederick County, MD we're on a water restriction... no washing of vehicles. That's my excuse for my dirty bike :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 14:26:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IIQaH03627; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:26:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <180.9190b6b.2a40d532@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:25:54 EDT Subject: Re: Test rides (was Re: GSX-R 600 reviews?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/18/2002 8:42:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > Why is it that you can't test ride a new Japanese bike (most of the time), > but brands like Aprilia, Ducati and Triumph encourage test rides? I think it all boils down to "enthusiast" dealers and "big business" dealers. Enthusiast dealers like bikes and riding and understand riders and the need to ride. Big business dealers might as well be selling refrigerators (and I have known some who would have preferred to be.) Do you test ride a refrigerator? There are some old Japanese dealers where you can test ride, but for the most part they are business people who got into bikes to make as much money as possible. Often these people do not ride, and in some cases I have known cannot ride! They just do not get it. European dealers (and very often Harly) tend to be enthusiasts. (In fact Harly requires it, or tries to.) So they tend to get it. I know this is an oversimplification but it holds true all too often. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 14:49:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IInUa04169; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:49:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:49:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Vanson Cobra Mk. II reviews? Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone have any comments about the Vanson Cobra Mk. II jackets? Vanson (and New Enough) are running a $75-off sale thingy, which is making me reconsider my previous plan of purchasing a used Cobra (Mk. I) from Vanson. Does anyone have one of these, or the Mk. I model? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 18 15:59:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5IJxfe05590; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:59:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B7B0@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Murdercycles Home Page Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:03:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Kewl Tee shirts: "It's better to be dead and cool, than alive and uncool." Mickey Rourke, Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man Murdercycles Home Page http://home.earthlink.net/~murdercycles/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 09:52:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JDq0J09252; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:52:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: Riding Thursday Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:51:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2002 13:51:05.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B7A6150:01C21798] Anyone up for riding this thursday? Im going on a trip to west virginia. Start around 800am. Email me if intersted ricardo@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JE9JL09678; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:09:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [165.247.88.57] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: waterproofing leather gloves Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:08:11 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2002 14:08:12.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF54E6D0:01C2179A] I am going to the yellowstone. Looks like it rains a lot. Anyone knows if my leather gloves could be made water resistant? i thought perhaps some sort of goretex linen exist? thank you, pierfrancesco consalvo 98 vfr WASHINGTON DC _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:15:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JEFm909914; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:15:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020619141536.5076.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin Laubach Subject: Bad dealers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:25:54 EDT >Subject: Re: Test rides (was Re: GSX-R 600 reviews?) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Why is it that you can't test ride a new Japanese bike (most of the time),> but brands like Aprilia, Ducati and Triumph encourage test rides? >>There are some old Japanese dealers where you can >test ride, but for >the most>part they are business people who got into bikes to >make as much money as possible. >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC I hear you! Last week, I bought some parts, including a new speedometer cable, from a nearby Japanese dealer (Free State Cycle in Capitol Heights, MD). I had never been there before, but this was the closest dealer to my new home. The Phillips screwdriver I brought to install the speedometer cable turned out to be a tiny bit too short and after the entire installation, I couldn't tighten the screw that attaches it to the gear drive at the front wheel. After spending over $40 on parts, I went inside to ask them to borrow a screwdriver for 3 minutes to finish the job so I could ride home with a functioning speedometer. The service manager would not let me borrow a screwdriver. I couldn't believe it. Even after explaining the situation (I was all but finished with the job and it would take me another 5 minutes to take it back OFF to ride home because it was currently dangling), he refused and even asked the store general manager, who likewise refused. He said they would be happy to install my speedometer cable at 85 DOLLARS PER HOUR!!! I said it was an easy job and I just needed a screwdriver to finish. I offered to leave my license, keys, and helmet for security. He replied that they were there to make money and he was unwilling help me. These bastards have no interest in motorcycles; they made it very clear that they were in it for the pure profit. $85/hour for labor. Their other prices were likewise astronomical. To clean/synch 4 carbs cost over $300! And get this: he started threatening that I couldn't work on my motorcycle in their parking lot. I was installing a headlight and a speedometer cable! I really think this S.O.B. would have called the cops on me. This kind of robbery is what keeps young people out of motorcycles. I ended up borrowing a screwdriver from another customer who was happy to help. At least you can count on other riders. Venting, Justin 85 cb650sc (sold) 90 dr350s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:21:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JEL6K10123; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:21:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <126401c2179d$840cc950$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: waterproofing leather gloves Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:26:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >From: "Pierre C" > I am going to the yellowstone. Looks like it rains a lot. Anyone knows if > my leather gloves could be made water resistant? i thought perhaps some sort > of goretex linen exist? Leather cannot be made waterproof. I suggest you get a set of gortex gloves from BMW. BOB's BMW has them. Mike Cecchini Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:22:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JEMVp10208; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5011684@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: waterproofing leather gloves Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:22:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I picked up a pair of "heavy duty cleaning gloves" (dishwashing gloves, but black) from the grocery store for under $2. I've used them once, they kept my gloves dry. But when I was wiping the rain from my shield I think they might have been leaving a film on that. From: Pierre C [mailto:piffiffi@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:08 AM I am going to the yellowstone. Looks like it rains a lot. Anyone knows if my leather gloves could be made water resistant? i thought perhaps some sort of goretex linen exist? thank you, pierfrancesco consalvo 98 vfr WASHINGTON DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JEQOx10318; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:26:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5011685@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: waterproofing leather gloves Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:26:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" These fit over my leather gloves btw. From: Rich Hall [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:23 AM I picked up a pair of "heavy duty cleaning gloves" (dishwashing gloves, but black) from the grocery store for under $2. I've used them once, they kept my gloves dry. But when I was wiping the rain from my shield I think they might have been leaving a film on that. From: Pierre C [mailto:piffiffi@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:08 AM I am going to the yellowstone. Looks like it rains a lot. Anyone knows if my leather gloves could be made water resistant? i thought perhaps some sort of goretex linen exist? thank you, pierfrancesco consalvo 98 vfr WASHINGTON DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JEZe610692; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:35:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <128101c2179f$8e4cc530$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Justin Laubach" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <20020619141536.5076.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bad dealers Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:41:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >From: "Justin Laubach" > > I went inside to ask > them to borrow a screwdriver for 3 minutes to finish > the job so I could ride home with a functioning > speedometer. > > The service manager would not let me borrow a > screwdriver. I couldn't believe it. *********************************************** Reality Check What you don't understand is that probably the last guy that borrowed a screwdriver, probably abused the shit out of it. Most people don't care about their own tools, much less a borrowed one. I do think the mechanic or service mgr. should have helped you out by doing the work FOR YOU..........on the spot. But lending out a mechanics tools ???? Never. There's a BIG sign on my tool box: "NO TOOLS LOANED: THIS MEANS YOU" because of all of the people that have broken, bent, hammered on, beat and have found every possible way to mis-use my hand tools. Always the same excuse: "I didn't know". Sorry.............but it's been a hard lesson for me to learn, but now when I go for a tool, it's in perfect shape and I an do my work without being so pissed off at the last "buddy" that I lent my tool. Mike Cecchini From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:40:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JEeTM10849; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:40:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:40:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200206191040.AA76153426@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Pierre C" Subject: Re: waterproofing leather gloves X-Mailer: "Waterproof" is hard. 100% waterproof at motorcycle speeds on an unfaired bike require more than Gore-Tex, in my experience - you need plastic or rubber glove liners. But then you perspire and get clammy inside. I like the Aerostich glove covers ("lobster claw" design). I got the big ones, which just fit over my summer XXL gloves. I hear good things about BMW goretex gloves, but you pay a lot for that blue & white logo they come with. You can also put some waterproofing grease or spray on the back of the gloves to reduce the water soaking in before you put on your glove covers. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Pierre C" Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:08:11 +0100 >I am going to the yellowstone. Looks like it rains a lot. Anyone knows if >my leather gloves could be made water resistant? i thought perhaps some sort >of goretex linen exist? >thank you, >pierfrancesco consalvo >98 vfr >WASHINGTON DC > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:45:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JEj7a11098; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:45:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020619144503.74788.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:45:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bad dealers To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , Justin Laubach Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <128101c2179f$8e4cc530$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Come on. Mike, you would probably have little success in a customer service oriented business. The cost of lending him a damm screwdriver is minimal compared to what is cost them to treat him like crap. They lost him as a customer and just got slammed to many of their potential customers (on this list). The loss of his and other's business over this could but 1,000 screw drivers they could give to customers. There is nothing wrong with being in business to make money, its the only good reason. But to be so short-sighted to not realize that by pissing this customer off its gonna cost you a lot more than the $85 service charge, thats the sign of a business on its way out. --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > >From: "Justin Laubach" > > > I went inside to ask > > them to borrow a screwdriver for 3 minutes to > finish > > the job so I could ride home with a functioning > > speedometer. > > > > The service manager would not let me borrow a > > screwdriver. I couldn't believe it. > *********************************************** > Reality Check > > What you don't understand is that probably the last > guy that borrowed a > screwdriver, probably abused the shit out of it. > Most people don't care > about their own tools, much less a borrowed one. > > I do think the mechanic or service mgr. should have > helped you out by doing > the work FOR YOU..........on the spot. But lending > out a mechanics tools > ???? Never. > > There's a BIG sign on my tool box: "NO TOOLS > LOANED: THIS MEANS YOU" > because of all of the people that have broken, bent, > hammered on, beat and > have found every possible way to mis-use my hand > tools. > Always the same excuse: "I didn't know". > > Sorry.............but it's been a hard lesson for me > to learn, but now when > I go for a tool, it's in perfect shape and I an do > my work without being so > pissed off at the last "buddy" that I lent my tool. > > Mike Cecchini > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JElEY11175; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:47:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5011694@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: poked The Bear Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:47:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Last night on my way home on 66 I passed one of those Crown Vic's, this one was heavily tinted, no lights, no antenna, driver wearing dress shirt. Shortly after I took the turn onto the Toll Roll, I forgot about him and rolled on the throttle through the turn. I slowed down before I got to the first turnaround where troopers like to sit. I noticed someone rapidly coming up behind me, it was the Crown Vic. I immediately slowed down more and got into the right hand lane. I take the first exit off the Toll Road to McLean, I didn't have much farther to go and was really hoping to make it there. I couldn't really see what he was doing since the car was tinted, but he was definitely following me at this point. We came up on the 2nd turnaround where a trooper was sitting. I thought he was going to have this guy pull me over, but he flipped down the visor to reveal some lights and did it himself. The trooper stayed there, I'm assuming he felt he was close enough to offer back up and that's why he did pull over the dozen people violating HOV that passed me. The sheriff, I knew that shade of brown on the Crown Vic looked familiar, asked me if I knew why he pulled me over, I said yes. He asked if I knew how fast I was going, I said I didn't know. He claimed he had me on tape doing 90. I said I didn't think I was going that fast. I didn't see any radar on his car and think this is just the speed he got up to, I'd guess low 80s and that's not accounting for a speedometer that's supposed to be 10% optimistic. He asked if I had been pulled over for speeding on the bike before I said no, but I had been for expired registration due to moving when the renewal should have been mailed out and forgetting about it. He took my license & registration from me and went back to his car. He then came back and told me to cut that s--- out. I do have a clean record now & pulled over immediately and I'm not sure what all he could do. I said thank you and decided not to ask for a copy of the tape and proceed home, he had to follow me practically home to turn around since I was so close at that point too. Rich Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JEpEZ11357; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:51:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00fc01c217a1$3d7a6480$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , "Justin Laubach" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <20020619141536.5076.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> <128101c2179f$8e4cc530$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Subject: Re: Bad dealers Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:54:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Following up on the thread from last week, reach for the (crappy) OEM tool kit? :) Geez, Michael, I lend my tools to friends and neighbors all the time and have never had one abused. That goes for automotive and carpentry tools. Perhaps you need to be a little more selective in loaning them out. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > >From: "Justin Laubach" > > > I went inside to ask > > them to borrow a screwdriver for 3 minutes to finish > > the job so I could ride home with a functioning > > speedometer. > > > > The service manager would not let me borrow a > > screwdriver. I couldn't believe it. > *********************************************** > Reality Check > > What you don't understand is that probably the last guy that borrowed a > screwdriver, probably abused the shit out of it. Most people don't care > about their own tools, much less a borrowed one. > > I do think the mechanic or service mgr. should have helped you out by doing > the work FOR YOU..........on the spot. But lending out a mechanics tools > ???? Never. > > There's a BIG sign on my tool box: "NO TOOLS LOANED: THIS MEANS YOU" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 10:51:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JEpSc11380; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:51:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5011697@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Bad dealers/ Good Dealers Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:51:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I called Herndon Cycle Sport (or whatever there name is now) yesterday to ask about Stainless Steel brake lines for my '94 Seca II and the guy asked if this was Rich, I guess it's not the most common bike, but it made me feel like they care about me as a customer. I get something done about every 6 months and probably visit about twice that much, it's not like I'm there all the time. Rich Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 11:00:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JF0cX11684; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:00:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:02:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bad dealers In-Reply-To: <128101c2179f$8e4cc530$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:41:26 -0400 > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > To: Justin Laubach > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Bad dealers > > >From: "Justin Laubach" > > > I went inside to ask > > them to borrow a screwdriver for 3 minutes to finish > > the job so I could ride home with a functioning > > speedometer. > > ... > I do think the mechanic or service mgr. should have helped you out by doing > the work FOR YOU..........on the spot. But lending out a mechanics tools > ???? Never. I'm sure that there is some sort of either "slippery slope" or "they'd be liable if the borrower got hurt" arguement, but, geez a 3 minute screwdriver borrow? OTOH, what self respecting geek doesn't carry a multitool of some sort these days? > There's a BIG sign on my tool box: "NO TOOLS LOANED: THIS MEANS YOU" ... > Sorry.............but it's been a hard lesson for me to learn, but now when > I go for a tool, it's in perfect shape and I an do my work without being so > pissed off at the last "buddy" that I lent my tool. You really need to meet Mr. Craftsman and his hand tool warranty, or something. Any Craftsman manual screwdriver, hammer, wrench, whatever gets bunged up... take it in, they'll replace it. Doesn't hold for electrical tools and such, though. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 11:01:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JF13u11717; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:01:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: poked The Bear Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:01:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5011694@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5011694@SERVER1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5JF13011705 I think it helps out if you live close to their jurisdiction too. I think cops prefer to ticket people who aren't from the area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 11:05:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JF53u11993; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:05:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020619150457.25123.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: NMC: Driving Lessons To: dccycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is pretty funny. Seems to have been produced overseas, but the same lessons seem to hold true here. :^) http://windward.nodalpoint.net/doc/media/liikenne.swf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 11:14:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JFETo12211; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:14:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:15:33 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad dealers In-Reply-To: <20020619144503.74788.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Come on. Mike, you would probably have little success > in a customer service oriented business. The cost of > lending him a damm screwdriver is minimal compared to > what is cost them to treat him like crap. They lost > him as a customer and just got slammed to many of > their potential customers (on this list). The loss of > his and other's business over this could but 1,000 > screw drivers they could give to customers. > It comes down to one thing. Why shop at a place with an attitude like that? There are plenty of other dealers that are will go out of their way to help you out. For example JT Motorsports in Leesburg, where I bought my YZF600R is great. While purchasing the service manual, the mechanic came out just to introduce himself, and noticed I was going to be doing the work myself. He said to bring it by at 1000 miles for him to have a quick look, no charge just to make sure everything was ok, and there were no funny sounds, etc, stuff I couldn't pick up on. Every time I have been in there, I don't walk out of there feeling like they want to empty my wallet. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 11:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JFYB512630; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003d01c217a6$de23bfd0$0100a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Bad dealers Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:34:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Yeah, too bad JT in Leesburg is GONE! Sold out the Yamaha franchise to Loudoun Motorsports. Try getting some decent customer service in there. On the subject of tools. Most folks don't realize that the mechanics have to buy their own tools. They are not supplied by the dealer. Yes, the attitude was shitty, but it's not the manager's prerogative to loan the mechanic's tools out, they do not belong to him. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" > It comes down to one thing. Why shop at a place with an attitude like > that? There are plenty of other dealers that are will go out of their way > to help you out. For example JT Motorsports in Leesburg, where I bought > my YZF600R is great. While purchasing the service manual, the mechanic > came out just to introduce himself, and noticed I was going to be doing > the work myself. He said to bring it by at 1000 miles for him to have a > quick look, no charge just to make sure everything was ok, and there were > no funny sounds, etc, stuff I couldn't pick up on. Every time I have been > in there, I don't walk out of there feeling like they want to empty my > wallet. > > Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 11:39:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JFdH112819; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:39:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:38:32 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad dealers To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <172.9ff9a8e.2a41ff79@aol.com> I would have taken the parts back off, taken them inside and told them that I wanted a full refund. If they refused, I would have gotten the BBB after them. Nothing makes money hounds cooperate more than the threat of losing money. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:16:23 AEDT, Justin Laubach writes: > >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:25:54 EDT > >Subject: Re: Test rides (was Re: GSX-R 600 reviews?) > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Why is it that you can't test ride a new Japanese > bike (most of the > time),> but brands like Aprilia, Ducati and Triumph > encourage test rides? > > >>There are some old Japanese dealers where you can > >test ride, but for >the most>part they are business > people who got into bikes to >make as much money as > possible. > >John Walters (Long John) > >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > >Up near DC > > I hear you! Last week, I bought some parts, including > a new speedometer cable, from a nearby Japanese dealer > (Free State Cycle in Capitol Heights, MD). I had > never been there before, but this was the closest > dealer to my new home. The Phillips screwdriver I > brought to install the speedometer cable turned out to > be a tiny bit too short and after the entire > installation, I couldn't tighten the screw that > attaches it to the gear drive at the front wheel. > After spending over $40 on parts, I went inside to ask > them to borrow a screwdriver for 3 minutes to finish > the job so I could ride home with a functioning > speedometer. > > The service manager would not let me borrow a > screwdriver. I couldn't believe it. Even after > explaining the situation (I was all but finished with > the job and it would take me another 5 minutes to take > it back OFF to ride home because it was currently > dangling), he refused and even asked the store general > manager, who likewise refused. He said they would be > happy to install my speedometer cable at 85 DOLLARS > PER HOUR!!! I said it was an easy job and I just > needed a screwdriver to finish. I offered to leave my > license, keys, and helmet for security. He replied > that they were there to make money and he was > unwilling help me. These bastards have no interest in > motorcycles; they made it very clear that they were in > it for the pure profit. $85/hour for labor. Their > other prices were likewise astronomical. To > clean/synch 4 carbs cost over $300! And get this: he > started threatening that I couldn't work on my > motorcycle in their parking lot. I was installing a > headlight and a speedometer cable! I really think > this S.O.B. would have called the cops on me. This > kind of robbery is what keeps young people out of > motorcycles. I ended up borrowing a screwdriver from > another customer who was happy to help. At least you > can count on other riders. > > Venting, > Justin > 85 cb650sc (sold) > 90 dr350s > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 11:40:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JFe2F12864; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:40:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50116A7@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Bad dealers (JT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:40:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Did they move or are they still in the same location like Rhodes is doing w/ Cycle Sport? I went to JT when it first opened and there was nothing in there. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Norton [mailto:bnorton@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:35 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bad dealers Yeah, too bad JT in Leesburg is GONE! Sold out the Yamaha franchise to Loudoun Motorsports. Try getting some decent customer service in there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 11:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JFgK313107; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:42:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020619154218.77934.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:42:18 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: dealer tools (was Re: Bad dealers) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <003d01c217a6$de23bfd0$0100a8c0@XP1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What I want to know is how come shops DON'T buy their own tools, small hand tools excepted purhaps. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 11:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JFhH313174; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:43:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: , Subject: Re: Re: Bad dealers Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <172.9ff9a8e.2a41ff79@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <172.9ff9a8e.2a41ff79@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g5JFhG013162 Note to self, make all future purchases from a dealership with a credit card... (incase you need to dispute anything) oh wait i hardly buy anything from them anyway. Another thing is, I bet they have a 25% posted restocking fee... On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:38:32 EDT, you wrote: |>I would have taken the parts back off, taken them inside and told them that I wanted a full refund. If they refused, I would have gotten the BBB after them. Nothing makes money hounds cooperate more than the threat of losing money. ;-) |> |>Scooter |> |>In a message dated Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:16:23 AEDT, Justin Laubach writes: |> |>> >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX |>> >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:25:54 EDT |>> >Subject: Re: Test rides (was Re: GSX-R 600 reviews?) |>> >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX |>> > Why is it that you can't test ride a new Japanese |>> bike (most of the |>> time),> but brands like Aprilia, Ducati and Triumph |>> encourage test rides? |>> |>> >>There are some old Japanese dealers where you can |>> >test ride, but for >the most>part they are business |>> people who got into bikes to >make as much money as |>> possible. |>> >John Walters (Long John) |>> >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX |>> >Up near DC |>> |>> I hear you! Last week, I bought some parts, including |>> a new speedometer cable, from a nearby Japanese dealer |>> (Free State Cycle in Capitol Heights, MD). I had |>> never been there before, but this was the closest |>> dealer to my new home. The Phillips screwdriver I |>> brought to install the speedometer cable turned out to |>> be a tiny bit too short and after the entire |>> installation, I couldn't tighten the screw that |>> attaches it to the gear drive at the front wheel. |>> After spending over $40 on parts, I went inside to ask |>> them to borrow a screwdriver for 3 minutes to finish |>> the job so I could ride home with a functioning |>> speedometer. |>> |>> The service manager would not let me borrow a |>> screwdriver. I couldn't believe it. Even after |>> explaining the situation (I was all but finished with |>> the job and it would take me another 5 minutes to take |>> it back OFF to ride home because it was currently |>> dangling), he refused and even asked the store general |>> manager, who likewise refused. He said they would be |>> happy to install my speedometer cable at 85 DOLLARS |>> PER HOUR!!! I said it was an easy job and I just |>> needed a screwdriver to finish. I offered to leave my |>> license, keys, and helmet for security. He replied |>> that they were there to make money and he was |>> unwilling help me. These bastards have no interest in |>> motorcycles; they made it very clear that they were in |>> it for the pure profit. $85/hour for labor. Their |>> other prices were likewise astronomical. To |>> clean/synch 4 carbs cost over $300! And get this: he |>> started threatening that I couldn't work on my |>> motorcycle in their parking lot. I was installing a |>> headlight and a speedometer cable! I really think |>> this S.O.B. would have called the cops on me. This |>> kind of robbery is what keeps young people out of |>> motorcycles. I ended up borrowing a screwdriver from |>> another customer who was happy to help. At least you |>> can count on other riders. |>> |>> Venting, |>> Justin |>> 85 cb650sc (sold) |>> 90 dr350s |>> |>> __________________________________________________ |>> Do You Yahoo!? |>> Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup |>> http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com |> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 19 11:49:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g5JFnh113358; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:49:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authenticati