From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 1 15:50:38 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:50:18 EDT Subject: Crow munching anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Interesting... Saw a report on WBAL TV Ch. 11 today. Seems like when you pay at the pump they can put a block on your ATM or credit card of $50.00 or so and that amount could remain blocked for several days. Gee that could cause problems for a bike with a small tank and many fill ups out on a trip. Someone should have warned us... Oh yea, I did about a year ago, and I got a plateful of steaming shit from some folks for my effort. Crow anyone? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 1 16:26:47 2002 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Crow munching anyone? Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 16:25:49 -0400 John crowed (no pun intended :-) ) Interesting... Saw a report on WBAL TV Ch. 11 today. Seems like when you pay at the pump they can put a block on your ATM or credit card of $50.00 or so and that amount could remain blocked for several days. [Dave] Sounds familiar... Gee that could cause problems for a bike with a small tank and many fill ups out on a trip. Someone should have warned us... [Dave] Didn't someone warn us last year ??? Oh yea, I did about a year ago, and I got a plateful of steaming shit from some folks for my effort. [Dave] So YOU'RE the culprit that started that thread ;-) Crow anyone? [Dave] I don't recall disagreeing with you [scrambling to check the archives...] but if I did, I've got a couple dead crows in front of the house ;-) If you come over, we'll grill them, have a beverage & some crow ! Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 2 15:47:29 2002 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Thanks To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX A big thanks to Laura and Sean for the party. I had a great time. See all of you tonight. Steve 01' YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 2 21:35:50 2002 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:37:01 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: s_burrow@XXXXXX (Steven Burrow), lgranato@XXXXXX (LAURA GRANATO), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks I'll second that Thanks. The party was great. The company was great. The food was great. You get the feeling that everything was great. ;-) Also want to thank Matt Patton for the ride from Huntington Metro to Cycle Sport to pick up my bike. And for leading me through some back roads to Laura and Sean's house. Sorry if I slowed you down. I tend to ride a little slower on roads I don't know. Still slightly "lean-impaired." ;-) Scooter In a message dated Sun, 2 Jun 2002 M- 3:49:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steven Burrow writes: >A big thanks to Laura and Sean for the party. I had a >great time. See all of you tonight. >Steve >01' YZF600R > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 2 21:40:37 2002 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Bike Night Pictures To: DC Cycles , Moto Crew , delphine vessellier Thanks to all who came to Bike Night tonight (just ended). We had great turnout but crappy parking (very sorry). Here are some pictures Mark http://www.pbase.com/mkitchell/bike_night_june_2002 ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 2 22:42:34 2002 From: "Laura Granato" To: "Steven Burrow" , Subject: Re: Thanks Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:55:27 -0400 > A big thanks to Laura and Sean for the party. I had a > great time. See all of you tonight. > Steve > 01' YZF600R > No problem at all. I had a total blast! Although cleaning up in the morning wasn't much fun! :) The people at the party made it all worth it! :) We'll have to do it again soon! LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 2 22:44:04 2002 From: "Laura Granato" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" , "Moto Crew" , "delphine vessellier" Subject: Re: Bike Night Pictures Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:57:06 -0400 > Thanks to all who came to Bike Night tonight (just > ended). We had great turnout but crappy parking (very > sorry). Thanks to Chuck and Mark for having the bike night. It was beautiful weather and a great night! :) LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 07:10:06 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 07:12:13 -0700 To: lgranato@XXXXXX (LAURA GRANATO), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Thanks A huge THANKS to Laura and Sean. I had a great time and it was nice to finally meet some of you guys!! Lori At 09:37 PM 6/2/02 -0400, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: >I'll second that Thanks. The party was great. The company was >great. The food was great. You get the feeling that everything was >great. ;-) > >Also want to thank Matt Patton for the ride from Huntington Metro to Cycle >Sport to pick up my bike. And for leading me through some back roads to >Laura and Sean's house. Sorry if I slowed you down. I tend to ride a >little slower on roads I don't know. Still slightly "lean-impaired." ;-) > >Scooter > >In a message dated Sun, 2 Jun 2002 3:49:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >Steven Burrow writes: > > >A big thanks to Laura and Sean for the party. I had a > >great time. See all of you tonight. > >Steve > >01' YZF600R > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 09:41:28 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: a few congrats are in order Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 06:41:19 -0700 (PDT) I just wanted to say congrats to Kitchell on his engagement! Congrats to Troutman on his marriage (he should be returning any day now from his honeymoon)... And Stephen is getting married next Saturday if I remember correctly... dang...they're dropping like flies around here. :) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 09:42:12 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:42:29 -0400 Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I don't consider to be a police car. Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 09:54:35 2002 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:54:25 -0400 I do the same route and I am interested in the same infortmation. From the uniforms and jackets I have seen either on the drivers or hung over the back or the seat, I know that Secret Service, DC police officers, Park police officers, VA state police, City of Falls Church police, Fairfax County police and Loudoun County sheriffs use I-66. I am curious as to which ones would pull me over. Biggest wakeup call I ever had was cruising side by side at 75 mph from the West Falls Church metro to the East Falls Church metro and being curious about the color of the shirt of the driver when I started reading the script on his shoulder and it said F-A-I-R-F-A-X C-O-U-N-T-Y P-O-L-Oh S**T! I guess he thought all motorcycle front ends dived like that :) I distinctly remember the color of the pens in his shirt pocket, I was so close. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?" -----Original Message----- From: RichH@XXXXXX [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:42 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: authority Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I don't consider to be a police car. Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:03:20 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:58:23 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: authority Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I don't consider to be a police car. [Dave] can you be more descriptive ? Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? [Dave] In the commonwealth, pretty much any sworn leo can pull you over for a serious enough traffic infraction. Departments establish 'cooperative agreements' that allow them to patrol areas that are by statute, ceded to the authority of other agencies. There's a little more to it, but be vigilant... AND, it's been proven that LEO misdeeds are tolerated at any level in the Commonwealth, up to and including murder - as evidenced by VA not indicting(PG cop) Carlton Jones on several firearms violations, assualt & murder. If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? [Dave] What do you mean by 'worried' ? in MD, it's permissible to proceed to a station at the limit, if you know where one is. Try that in PG, and they'll likely run you down ;-0 but seriously, MSP does allow you to do this with unmarked cars. I don't know about VA. I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. [Dave] I for one, am proud to be HOV Negative. If you're referring to the vehicles in HOV lanes, the law in VA is "HOV for Thee, but not for me" - which can be literally translated to almost any government vehicle may use the HOV lanes, on duty or off, but the commoners may not. WE are the commoners. Uniform or not, I typically ignore dubious unmarked vehicles - like the ones from DC. I am not advocating anyone else do this, but it's been my experience that the feds & MPD are typically nit wits as drivers, and I try to give them a wide berth... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:34:52 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 06:30:27 -0400 From: Tom de To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority Hi, I see the same thing on the 95 HOVs. From what I can figure, most of the time the vechical is probably a detective, Firechief/investigator, different County Undercover. Often the plates are DC, and I think there is a Fairfax County Cop who commutes from Fredericksburg. No matter the vechical type (unless it has DC tags), I wait for someone else to pass. If that person isn't pulled over I proceed at about the same speed as the previous car. I believe just about any of the persons driving those vechicals can pull you over, but you'd probably need to really piss 'em off. A car with DC tags was tailgating me one day (while I was in my truck) and I got it to a "battle of wills" with 'em. I let him pass then got his a$$, after a few miles, he let me by only to show me his lights. Just let someone else be the gunie pig, then proceed calmly. BTW, this "test" can backfire. The first time the FX Cop was on the HOV in his marked car nobody passed him - from Stafford to Fairfax! Tom de '98 VTR RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I >don't consider to be a police car. >Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? >If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? >I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything >and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. > -- Tom De Boeser tom.deboeser@XXXXXX Senior Systems Engineer Dimension Data US www.didata.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:37:52 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think my last message never got sent. Thanks for the good wishes everyone! I am really quite happy and now delphine wants her own bike too! I just have to convince her that a VFR is not a starter bike. Mark --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I just wanted to say congrats to Kitchell on his > engagement! > > Congrats to Troutman on his marriage (he should be > returning any day now from his honeymoon)... > > And Stephen is getting married next Saturday if I > remember correctly... > > dang...they're dropping like flies around here. :) > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:45:09 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:45:29 -0400 American sedans with out dealer stickers typically with multiple little antennas with lights in the rear behind the rear seat. In the front they are usually under the passenger sun visor. Occasionally on the dash or in the grill. Today's car was a crown vic, pretty cardinal license plate, with leather interior, no separation from front & back seat, no shotgun in the middle, the driver (HOV violator) had a tie on. -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I don't consider to be a police car. [Dave] can you be more descriptive ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:44:58 2002 From: "Jeannette Zell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:43:47 -0400 CONGRATULATIONS!!!! :-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Mark Kitchell >To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: a few congrats are in order >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) > >I think my last message never got sent. > >Thanks for the good wishes everyone! I am really >quite happy and now delphine wants her own bike too! >I just have to convince her that a VFR is not a >starter bike. > >Mark > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:49:11 2002 From: Michael Lynch To: "'HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: GPS Question... Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:58:07 -0400 I've got one, and I like it. The preloaded map for the whole country is pretty good on its own, then with the (free) software, you can upload sections of your favorite map areas. It has a 2 level backlight that on 2 is perfect for seeing at night on the bike and matches perfectly with the green of the VFR dash. Screens are customizable to put in your own fields, you can put in a million way points with notes for each (phone # of house, hotel, etc.), has cool fields like ETA that will calculate your heading and speed to a waypoint and display the time (it's fun watching your time get pushed back when your road curves), bla, bla, bla. I'd buy another one. Mike '96 VFR =From: "Howard J. Koontz" =To: =Subject: GPS Question... =Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:30:11 -0400 = =Anyone have a Magellan (sp?) Map 330 GPS? How do you like it? Anyone else =know anything about it? I have a hiker friend who wants to sell me his, I =was wondering how well it would do for M/C riding as a co-pilot. Is it more =of an off-road kinda GPS that'll get you over the mountain and back, or an =on the road kinda thing that'll hopefully show me a twisty section to get =over the mountain... screw coming back. = =Howard J. Koontz =2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard =1982 Honda ATC 185S Pit Vehicle =1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (For Sale) ="We're all here 'cause we're not all there" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 10:51:28 2002 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: Cc: Subject: Re: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:54:27 -0400 >From: > Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I > don't consider to be a police car. The bastards................. > Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? Your not legally obligated to pull over (and stop) for ANY vehicle unless it is using red or blue lights. Many times a off-duty officer will pull up beside you and show his badge..............at that point you are REQUIRED to pull over and stop. BUT............if you don't "see" him show his badge (meaning: your eyes are kept straight forward and DO NOT look in his/her direction) then you didn't "see" the badge ..........right ??? Under these circumstances you can drive along without stopping. I have done this on several occasions and have driven several miles without ever looking at the officer. Eventually the tire of your "game" and leave. I no longer automatically look over to see who is riding along side of me...........be it in a 4 wheeler or 2. I make it as awkward as possible (w/o doing obvious stupid stuff) for the officer to get my attention. > If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? Plain clothes cops with lights are just like uniformed officers..............no diff. > I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything > and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. They can do what they please.................when they please. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:06:33 2002 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: , Subject: Re: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:10:22 -0400 >From: > I do the same route and I am interested in the same infortmation. From the > uniforms and jackets I have seen either on the drivers or hung over the back > or the seat, I know that Secret Service, DC police officers, Park police > officers, VA state police, City of Falls Church police, Fairfax County > police and Loudoun County sheriffs use I-66. I am curious as to which ones > would pull me over. > Cedric Secret Service...They don't give a damn and don't deal with motor vehicle laws DC police officers...........only in D.C. Park police officers............have jurisdiction EVERYWHERE. VA state police............Va. everywhere City of Falls Church police.........Falls Church only Fairfax County police..........Fairfax County only Loudoun County sheriffs ........Loudon County only MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:14:43 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:14:14 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: authority At 11:10 AM 6/3/2002 -0400, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > >From: > > I do the same route and I am interested in the same infortmation. From >the > > uniforms and jackets I have seen either on the drivers or hung over the >back > > or the seat, I know that Secret Service, DC police officers, Park police > > officers, VA state police, City of Falls Church police, Fairfax County > > police and Loudoun County sheriffs use I-66. I am curious as to which >ones > > would pull me over. > > Cedric > >Secret Service...They don't give a damn and don't deal with motor vehicle >laws > >DC police officers...........only in D.C. > >Park police officers............have jurisdiction EVERYWHERE. > >VA state police............Va. everywhere > >City of Falls Church police.........Falls Church only > >Fairfax County police..........Fairfax County only > >Loudoun County sheriffs ........Loudon County only > >MC you forgot: Herndon Town Police - between oh...the overpass and just yonder pass the other overpass 'round the corner including the bowling alley and Jimmys Tavern and a little past the leaning tree near Billy Bobs house...exceptin' ifn it's rainin' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:15:07 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:20:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: RichH@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Driving 66 into work everyday I see at least one car with "lights" that I > don't consider to be a police car. > Is there any one other than a police officer that could pull me over? > If the person is not in a police uniform should I be worried? > I watch them roll right past the many HOV violators with out doing anything > and that's when I resume my "safe" speed of choice. The problem - a lot of drivers take notice of unmarked vehicles and *Screeee* brakes go, causing all sorts of traffic problems. I especially like the smoking tires, burning brake lights when a flashing blue light appears in the horizon - a LEO with a car pulled over. Exxxxcuuussee me, you blithering idiots, said LEO is busy writing a summons, no need to wreck your vehicle in a panic attempt to downslide to legal speed. It has been my experiance - YMMV - that cruising with the flow of traffic no matter what the actual speed (usually well over posted on super slabs) will not gain the attention of the law officer in the vicinity. Too many bobing and weaving Ricky Racers out there to bang with a summons to bother harrassing drivers who are essentialy operating their vehicles in a safe and sane manner. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:18:52 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:15:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: authority Once while inbound on 66 inside the Beltway, I was pulled over by the FAA Police! No kidding. No citation. Leave it to me to experience something unique. :-) /// Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:20:23 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: authority To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Secret Service...They don't give a damn and don't > deal with motor vehicle > laws > Oh how wrong you are. Perhaps driving in on Rt 66 they do not, but if you are in DC watch out. The Sercret Service uniform cops patrol constantly in areas around embassys, consulates and near any bigwig they protect (cabinet secretaries, etc). They will pull you over in DC if you deserve it. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:22:52 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:17:58 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: authority HOV VIOLATORS ARE: American sedans with out dealer stickers typically with multiple little antennas with lights in the rear behind the rear seat. In the front they are usually under the passenger sun visor. Occasionally on the dash or in the grill. [Dave] Sounds like a typical fleet vehicle from a local (meaning DC Metro) LE agency. That means that they *could* be police, but, those vehicles get 'loaned out' to dispatchers, secretaries running errands, possibly magistrates... Today's car was a crown vic, pretty cardinal license plate, with leather interior, no separation from front & back seat, no shotgun in the middle, the driver (HOV violator) had a tie on. [Dave] could be a PO of higher rank, etc... You can report them, but it won't do any good - unless they're misbehaving and you have witnesses. The way to cure this is to write your legislators, and when they brush you off - which they will - vote them out for someone who will abolish the silly HOV lanes. Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:33:56 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Moyer" Subject: '00 Triumph Daytona 955i for sale To: DC Cycles Hello All: I have a local friend (non-list member) in Leesburg that's recently decided to sell his dream bike. It's a beatiful bike for certain, but he is set on selling it to alieviate some recent financial pressures. The bike has only 2500 miles on it and is in mint condition; this, because the guy has been regularly working way too much for a now defunct dot-com. Who has time to ride when you're working every weekend? I believe he'd like 8K for it but this may also be a OBO opportunity as well. Please let me know off-list (as I'm a digest member and won't get your mail until later) if anyone's interested and I'll put you in touch with the seller. Thanks, Moyer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:39:55 2002 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: Subject: Re: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:46:01 -0400 >Mike Cecchini wrote: > Secret Service...They don't give a damn and don't > deal with motor vehicle laws ******************************************** > Oh how wrong you are. Perhaps driving in on Rt 66 > they do not, but if you are in DC watch out. The > Sercret Service uniform cops patrol constantly in > areas around embassys, consulates and near any bigwig > they protect (cabinet secretaries, etc). They will > pull you over in DC if you deserve it. ********************************************** Having worked with (not for) the USS Secret Service for 27 years at the VP residence on Mass. Ave. D.C. I can attest to: 1. Motor vehicle laws are a not what they deal with. 2. They couldn't care less if you do something minor against any motor vehicle laws. 3. Will arrest you if you do something REALLY stupid like drunk driving or hit & run. 4. Will call a D.C. (or whatever jurisdiction) to write you the motor vehicle citation. Bottom line: The U.S. S.S. job is to protect dignitaries..........with their bodies/lives and have slightly higher priorities than to write you a citation for 60mph in a 50mph zone. Me ??? I feel waaaaaaay better in D.C. than I do in Md. or Va.. DC cops have their priorities in order and have to worry about homicides, robberies and REAL offences.............not the chickenshit stuff we have to deal with in the 'burbs. MC MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:41:23 2002 From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOV lanes Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:52:52 -0400 |>The way to cure this is to write your legislators, and when they |>brush you off - which they will - vote them out for someone who will |>abolish the silly HOV lanes. Why are HOV lanes silly? I kind of like them. They seem to flow traffic when the regular lanes get backed up.. if they werent' HOV lanes, then all the lanes would be backed up.. same congestion, just wider. Plus as a motorcclists, i get to see the benifit of it. It also seems to act as a passing lane too... and then gets clear again for the peopel who need to pass a slow poke. So from my perspective it's pretty good, since we lack the enforcement of slower traffic kept left type of rules.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:43:03 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: authority To: "Michael R. Cecchini" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Having many friends who have received tickets from the SS, including a DUI, I would not ignore them. Sure, they may call an MPD officer, but whats the difference to you, you still get a ticket. --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > >Mike Cecchini wrote: > > Secret Service...They don't give a damn and don't > > deal with motor vehicle laws > ******************************************** > > Oh how wrong you are. Perhaps driving in on Rt 66 > > they do not, but if you are in DC watch out. The > > Sercret Service uniform cops patrol constantly in > > areas around embassys, consulates and near any > bigwig > > they protect (cabinet secretaries, etc). They > will > > pull you over in DC if you deserve it. > ********************************************** > Having worked with (not for) the USS Secret Service > for 27 years at the VP > residence on Mass. Ave. D.C. > I can attest to: > 1. Motor vehicle laws are a not what they deal with. > 2. They couldn't care less if you do something minor > against any motor > vehicle laws. > 3. Will arrest you if you do something REALLY > stupid like drunk driving or > hit & run. > 4. Will call a D.C. (or whatever jurisdiction) to > write you the motor > vehicle citation. > > Bottom line: The U.S. S.S. job is to protect > dignitaries..........with > their bodies/lives and have slightly higher > priorities than to write you a > citation for 60mph in a 50mph zone. > > Me ??? I feel waaaaaaay better in D.C. than I do in > Md. or Va.. DC cops > have their priorities in order and have to worry > about homicides, robberies > and REAL offences.............not the chickenshit > stuff we have to deal with > in the 'burbs. > > MC > > > MC > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 11:50:33 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: HOV lanes To: Danny MotorPsychoL , sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I suspect that the "freedom means the right to own a 4 ton SUV crowd" are against any government effort to limit your driving privlidges (sp?). Yet we keep building more roads only to fill them up in a few years. HOV is one attempt to force people to carpool. Maybe not perfect but needed IMHO. That and a nice fat gas tax could clear the roads a bit.... --- Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > |>The way to cure this is to write your legislators, > and when they > |>brush you off - which they will - vote them out > for someone who will > |>abolish the silly HOV lanes. > > Why are HOV lanes silly? I kind of like them. They > seem to flow > traffic when the regular lanes get backed up.. if > they werent' HOV > lanes, then all the lanes would be backed up.. same > congestion, just > wider. Plus as a motorcclists, i get to see the > benifit of it. > > It also seems to act as a passing lane too... and > then gets clear > again for the peopel who need to pass a slow poke. > So from my > perspective it's pretty good, since we lack the > enforcement of > slower traffic kept left type of rules.. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:23:20 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:18:28 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Hov lanes Why are HOV lanes silly? I kind of like them. They seem to flow traffic when the regular lanes get backed up.. if they werent' HOV lanes, then all the lanes would be backed up.. [Dave] But they would be all backed up for less time & distance, which would be a boon to a greater majority of people. same congestion, just wider. [Dave] That's not what cities that have abandon HOV lanes have found. IIRC, there was a city that dumped HOV restrictions a year, maybe 18 months ago & and they noticed a decrease in 'rush hour', and less congestion all around for the road in question... Plus as a motorcclists, i get to see the benifit of it. [Dave] That's true, but as a demographic, we're not particularly big (motorcyclists). I suspect that the "freedom means the right to own a 4 ton SUV crowd" are against any government effort to limit your driving privlidges (sp?). Yet we keep building more roads only to fill them up in a few years. [Dave] I must have missed all these new roads ;-) HOV is one attempt to force people to carpool. Maybe not perfect but needed IMHO. That and a nice fat gas tax could clear the roads a bit.... [Dave] I'm sure that's tops on everyone's list ... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:24:11 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: authority To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , Mark Kitchell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > Me ??? I feel waaaaaaay better in D.C. than I do in > Md. or Va.. DC cops > have their priorities in order and have to worry > about homicides, robberies > and REAL offences.............not the chickenshit > stuff we have to deal with > in the 'burbs. > > MC Maybe that is because here in the 'burbs. The PD solves the murder/robbery/rape and puts said offender in jail and then has time for other things. Your choice, get an occasional ticket for chickenshit stuff, or worry about your personal safety due to the high crime rate. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:36:54 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: authority To: "William J. Huson" , RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > It has been my experiance - YMMV - that cruising > with the flow of traffic no > matter what the actual speed (usually well over > posted on super slabs) will not > gain the attention of the law officer in the > vicinity. Too many bobing and > weaving Ricky Racers out there to bang with a > summons to bother harrassing > drivers who are essentialy operating their vehicles > in a safe and sane manner. > > Bill > Bingo. Just don't stand out in the crowd. The other thing about the plethora of police vehicles around here, is that many have vitually no jurisdiction. The psuedo popo can do something on their 2.5 square miles, but that is it. The rule of thumb is that if the car has POLICE in big letters and you cannot tell what jurisdiction it is, then it is a psuedo cop. The postal police, DOD police, campus police, etc. Look at those cars, you have to read the fine print to learn the jurisdiction. Of course in the District, some of these organizations have wider ranging jurisdiction. I believe the Housing Authority has jurisdiction throughout the District now. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:38:06 2002 From: "Simon Weiss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:36:56 -0400
Thanks Sue for a good deal on the HJC - have fun in Cali.
 
Anyone know of any sales/closeouts/good deals on jackets at the local shops in the area?
   
On my way to Dover, DE to look at a Bandit 400 yesterday (the guy didn't check his bike until it was time to meet...flat battery!), after seeing a guy on a YZF 600 pay the same $2.50 to go through the toll that I paid in my 1.5 ton Subaru, I realized how ludicrous it is that Motorcycles aren't given a break.  There's no way bikes cause the same wear and tear on the roads that cars do, so why doesn't the legislature give us a break? - we may have two "axles", but we don't guzzle gas or warp pavement like autos.  Perhaps we should take a triop over to capitol hill.  Do you think motocyclists are a large enough constituency to lobby for more reasonable treatement?  Is there a motorcycle lobby group, already? 
 
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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:46:12 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:41:20 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: authority Todd W contributes - Maybe that is because here in the 'burbs. The PD solves the murder/robbery/rape and puts said offender in jail and then has time for other things. Your choice, get an occasional ticket for chickenshit stuff, or worry about your personal safety due to the high crime rate. [Dave] Were I to actually *have* that choice, and were there a guarantee of one or the other, I'd make that bargain - personal safety instead of getting chickenshit tickets. Trouble is, courts have repeatedly held that police aren't responsible for my personal safety - or anyone's - AND we continue to have the problem of 'chickenshit' tickets. What are the typical responses to the question 'Hey? what happened to protect & serve?' 1 - a chickenshit ticket 2 - more officers on the scene 3 - more chickenshit tickets when the other officers 'find' something else from the 'insubordinate' motorist. I applaud the members of all PD's that put murder, robbery, rapist & child molestors in the big house. Most people I know could do with a lot less 'chickenshit' tickets though. Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:49:26 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: HOV lanes To: Mark Kitchell , Danny MotorPsychoL , sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I suspect that the "freedom means the right to own a > 4 > ton SUV crowd" are against any government effort to > limit your driving privlidges (sp?). Yet we keep > building more roads only to fill them up in a few > years. HOV is one attempt to force people to > carpool. > Maybe not perfect but needed IMHO. > > That and a nice fat gas tax could clear the roads a > bit.... It is part of the American psyche that we desire freedom. That is why our ancestors left the old country, whatever country that may be. We want the freedom to leave work early, arrive late, drive out for a long lunch, run errands in the middle of the day or on the way home. We want the freedom to leave when our son or daughter gets hurt at school. The freedom to work late without missing a carpool. Freedom of movement and travel is a fundamental part of our heritage. From the first day the Pilgrims landed, they have wanted to move out farther. I was stationed in Hawaii for 3 years. Many young men stationed there with me hated it. Here we were in paradise, and they hated it. Because they could not hop in a car and drive home. In the States, it did not matter where you were stationed and where you lived. In the back of your mind you knew that if you had to, you could hop in your car and go home. I think the HOV lanes are a waste of space. I like the idea of the reversible express lanes like on I-395, but they should be open to everyone. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 12:53:42 2002 From: "Simon Weiss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hov lanes Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:52:32 -0400



> HOV is one attempt to force people to carpool. Maybe not perfect but

>needed IMHO. That and a nice fat gas tax could clear the roads a

>bit....

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>[Dave] I'm sure that's tops on everyone's list ...

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>Dave

Sometimes the path of least resistance isn't the best path to take.  Rather than ditch all the incentives for carpooling, and resource conservation, how about taking these incentives a step further so that they actually make sense.  Half-assed legislature aimed at long term benefits (rather than just to improve tomorrows commute time) never works becuase if it doesn't directly benefit people to follow the intentions of a new regulation, it never produces the intended results.  I think it's ludicrous every time I see rows and rows of one headed cars sitting in traffic, all going the same general direction.  I beleive we need a stiffer gas tax, and even more restrictive HOV lanes (separated by barriers like they do in Boston, or multiple lanes).  Oh, and a much more usefull, cheaper public transportation system might help, too.  But, with our system, it'll take a small revolution before our representatives pass any bills that MIGHT bottleneck the oil industry's c sh flow.



 

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>Why are HOV lanes silly? I kind of like them. They seem to flow
>traffic when the regular lanes get backed up.. if they werent' HOV
>lanes, then all the lanes would be backed up..
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>[Dave] But they would be all backed up for less time & distance,
>which would be a boon to a greater majority of people.
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> same congestion, just wider.
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>[Dave] That's not what cities that have abandon HOV lanes have
>found. IIRC, there was a city that dumped HOV restrictions a year,
>maybe 18 months ago & and they noticed a decrease in 'rush hour', and
>less congestion all around for the road in question...
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> Plus as a motorcclists, i get to see the benifit of it.
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>[Dave] That's true, but as a demographic, we're not particularly big
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>I suspect that the "freedom means the right to own a 4 ton SUV crowd"
>are against any government effort to limit your driving privlidges
>(sp?). Yet we keep building more roads only to fill them up in a few
>years.
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>[Dave] I must have missed all these new roads ;-)
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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:09:42 2002 From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: YZF600 vs. CBR600 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:09:31 -0400 To pull this thread a little further, anyone have any thoughts on the YZF vs. the ZX-600E? TIA, John Stevens '77 GS750 Waldorf, MD > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > >Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:58:07 -0700 (PDT) >From: Steven Burrow >Subject: Re: YZF600R vs CBR600F4 >To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >I have an '01 YZF. I haven't been on the F4, but I >find the YZF comfortable. It still has enough power >for me and I have taken a lot of trips that last over >four hours on it without real discomfort. >Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:10:24 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:05:33 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Hov lanes Simon sez [in html format :-| ] - >>needed IMHO. That and a nice fat gas tax could clear the roads a >Sometimes the path of least resistance isn't the best path to take. Rather than ditch all the incentives for carpooling, and resource conservation, how about taking these incentives a step further so that they actually make sense. ... I think it's ludicrous every time I see rows and rows of one headed cars sitting in traffic, all going the same general direction. [Dave] Why? I beleive we need a stiffer gas tax, and even more restrictive HOV lanes [Dave] OTOH, I believe I pay enough to the state & federal governments, so I support cutting the gas tax by 75% and instituting a voluntary 'pay as you go' tax on gas & general fund. 'Round up to the next $ to pay for I95 improvements y/n ?' etc... Plus, people who feel that we need more tax revenue could feel free to contribute to the volunteer fund. OR, if they're homeowners, instead of taking all those deductions, they could simply file the short form ! It's their moral responsibility as good citizens to back up their positions with leadership ! (separated by barriers like they do in Boston, or multiple lanes). [Dave] Yeah, when I think Boston, certainly it conjures up images of a paragon of traffic efficiency... NOT. Their traffic is every bit a Charlie Foxtrot as ours is. In fact, HOV lanes seem to be a common thread among all the top 10 worst traffic cities (metro areas) ... makes you wonder... Oh, and a much more usefull, cheaper public transportation system might help, too. [Dave] Amen. Nobody wants to ante up for the bus & tube. If it takes somebody off the road that wants to use public transportation, bravo. Less cages I have to deal with. Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:15:01 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: YZF600 vs. ZX-600E Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:15:14 -0400 I saw a review of this around Christmas time in one of the magazines. I believe they preferred the YZF. -----Original Message----- From: Stevens John R DLVA [mailto:StevensJR@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:10 PM To: DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: YZF600 vs. CBR600 To pull this thread a little further, anyone have any thoughts on the YZF vs. the ZX-600E? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:18:13 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tolls Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:18:21 -0400 American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) www.amadirectlink.com They have removed some tolls for motorcyclist around the country. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Weiss [mailto:simon_weiss69@XXXXXX] On my way to Dover, DE to look at a Bandit 400 yesterday (the guy didn't check his bike until it was time to meet...flat battery!), after seeing a guy on a YZF 600 pay the same $2.50 to go through the toll that I paid in my 1.5 ton Subaru, I realized how ludicrous it is that Motorcycles aren't given a break. There's no way bikes cause the same wear and tear on the roads that cars do, so why doesn't the legislature give us a break? - we may have two "axles", but we don't guzzle gas or warp pavement like autos. Perhaps we should take a triop over to capitol hill. Do you think motocyclists are a large enough constituency to lobby for more reasonable treatement? Is there a motorcycle lobby group, already? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:21:06 2002 From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Ride for Kids Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:20:56 -0400 I recall several weeks ago, someone on the list was trying to dig up information on giving motorcycle rides to sick kids. I apologize if this is old news, but FWIW, I thought I'd go ahead and forward something I came across: >From a Honda advertisement: "For more info on the Ride for Kids Program, contact the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the United States at (800) 253-6530, or on the web at www.pbtfus.org." All that does is link you to www.Ride4kids.org, so this probably IS old news... in which case, sorry for wasting space... Anyway, HTH. John Stevens '77 GS750 Waldorf, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:24:56 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:24:14 -0400 As a DC resident, I just have to laugh. DC- where we let machines write the chicken$hit ticket$, freeing up the humans to do "real" police work like running motorcades and doing crowd control while many neighborhoods are devoid of police presence. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > >Mike Cecchini wrote: >> > Me ??? I feel waaaaaaay better in D.C. than I do in Md. or Va.. DC cops > have their priorities in order and have to worry about homicides, robberies > and REAL offences.............not the chickenshit stuff we have to deal with > in the 'burbs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:24:54 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , Cc: Subject: Re: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:11:20 -0400 People must think they get extra credit for passing a LEO at 10 under the limit. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" I especially like the > smoking tires, burning brake lights when a flashing blue light appears in the > horizon - a LEO with a car pulled over. Exxxxcuuussee me, you blithering > idiots, said LEO is busy writing a summons, no need to wreck your vehicle in a > panic attempt to downslide to legal speed. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:28:42 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: YZF600 vs. ZX6E To: Stevens John R DLVA , "DC Cycles Mailing List \(E-mail\)" while it ain't as sporty as the r6/cbr600/gsxr600/zx6r, it is a better sportbike than the zx6e and yam fit and finish is also better. --- Stevens John R DLVA wrote: > To pull this thread a little further, anyone have any > thoughts on the YZF > vs. the ZX-600E? > > TIA, > John Stevens > '77 GS750 > Waldorf, MD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 13:48:48 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:48:40 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm surprised the CATA talking head hasn't weighed in with a Libertarian/Market based solution as yet. so I will, sorta. At first blush one would think any vehicle that can't make say 22mpg needs to pay a stiff gas-guzzler tax. They do that in Japan and over in some countries of the EU for instance. In Japan it used to be owning a 3.0L engined car was a sign of wealth or you were a foreigner in the company car. That's why the Jap's are so good at milking what they do out of sub 3-liter engines. The best (first do no harm) policy really is taxes on gas. It's completely fair to all involved since you the consumer can make the choice as to how much you drive, whether or not you car pool, and what kind of MPG you care to sustain. Frankly I think we ought to triple our gas taxes and send the SUV owners scurrying which will light the fire under the collective asses of the US auto industry as a nice side-effect. MC's and small cars are popular in the EU etc. because gas is so damn expensive. In Japan the cost per liter of fuel is easily 4x what we 'mericans pay. Now I realize that due to the vast expanses of territory this nation covers, trucking is a HUGE part of our commerce system and killing it with fuel costs is not a viable solution. One could consider waiving the hike on diesel for commercial trucking operations. IMO the big bump in revenues can be properly used to improve roads for better traffic flow (some roads around here are designed by masochists to HINDER traffic flow), extend HOV options (say 2 per vehicle instead of 3) and much better parking at end-points, and encourage rail and bus systems. The problem with a metro system like ours is that despite the tortuous pain involved in sitting in countless traffic jams hour after countless hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT to car pool or use the bus/rail, or otherwise inconvenience themselves. I think the State's ought to take full advantage of this inelastic demand curve and charge the snot out of those who engage in such behavior. I for one kiss the perverbial HOV sign because my commute (Springfield to Rosslyn) under even the worst conditions is 25 minutes whereas it could easily be 90 or more via 395. I've looked at bus/train but the best time expenditure is 45 minutes per trip and that's only if I get the Metro express bus direct into the Pentagon. Going FFax bus and then Metro takes at least 65 minutes and often a bit longer. What's even more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day than it does to pay monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in gas and tires. > thread among all the top 10 worst traffic cities (metro areas) ... > makes you wonder... I'd like to see a study showing causation. I think you'll find it's the other way around. There is merit to the argument that 5 lanes of traffic moves more traffic than 3. But the issue isn't how many lanes there are or it's gross flow. It's exit flow that, especially in DC's case, absolutely is the worst. Unless you fix the concentration of traffic issue as well as the log-jam's at off-ramps a 16 lane wide 395 will be 16 lanes of dead-stopped traffic jams. No thank you. Also I think if you look at the cities with the worst traffic you'll see that there is a higher than normal concentration of self-important people, suitably well-off people, an old thruput unfriendly city design, and a critical mass that simply overwhelms all reasonable solutions. NY, SFO, Chicago and Boston simply have way too many people trying to get in and then get out. This despite efforts, some notable, to improve flow and encourage the ease of use to things like the train and bus system. Japan, eg Tokyo is a city every much as dense as NYC and 2hr commutes are common-place. but it's done almost exclusively via train. Trains move a ton of people per linear foot, are a whole lot cheaper per capita, have no traffic jams to speak of and can (and do) run precisely on schedule. Japanese also don't worship at the alter of the automobile, don't slavishly seek independance and autonomy at any cost, and also don't like paying gas taxes. The entire culture has large underpinnings of self-sacrifice for the public good whereas ours is entirely wrapped in selfish pursuits and the neighbors be damned. I've spent some time in Chicago and it amazes me that ANYBODY would drive when given the choice. That is not to say a car wouldn't be incredibly useful during the evenings and weekends. But to commute, it makes absolutely no sense. Even if you live in an out-lying area where the local metro doesn't reach, there are local feeder lines and of course you can drive to one of those depots to pick up the train at it's terminuous. I think we 'mericans have more of a mental/cultural problem than necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or physical/technical problem. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 14:29:20 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- matthew patton wrote: > IMO the big bump > in revenues can be properly used to improve roads > for better traffic > flow Do you REALLY think that politicians can leave any cash cow alone to be used for it's intended purpose. The gas taxes we pay now are not used for roads. What makes you think that if we triple it, the roads will get any better? Get a law pass that forbids congress from using any tax money for other than it's intended purpose (gas, FICA, etc.) and the world will be a better place. > hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT to > car pool or use the Yep, that's me. > What's even > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day > than it does to pay > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in > gas and tires. > Another reason my wife and I have never used mass transit to commute. > Japan, eg Tokyo is a city every much as dense as NYC > and 2hr commutes > are common-place. but it's done almost exclusively > via train. Trains > move a ton of people per linear foot, are a whole > lot cheaper per > capita, have no traffic jams to speak of and can > (and do) run precisely > on schedule. Japanese also don't worship at the > alter of the > automobile, don't slavishly seek independance and > autonomy at any cost, > and also don't like paying gas taxes. The entire > culture has large > underpinnings of self-sacrifice for the public good > whereas ours is > entirely wrapped in selfish pursuits and the > neighbors be damned. > The Japanese also accept that as they stand at the metro stop, someone will shove them into the train as hard as possible. To cram as many as possible onto your silver steed. I don't mean other commuters. I mean the attendent whose job it is to shove people into rail cars. As Americans we don't accept being pushed around. ) > I think we 'mericans have more of a mental/cultural > problem than > necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or > physical/technical problem. > I don't see it as a problem. That is what makes us American. That is what set us apart when our ancestors left their country to come here. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 14:46:49 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:41:56 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Hov lanes ...At first blush one would think any vehicle that can't make say 22mpg needs to pay a stiff gas-guzzler tax. [Dave] Why? they're already paying more gas tax than we are with our 40 mpg plus uber bikes ... They do that in Japan and over in some countries of the EU for instance. In Japan it used to be owning a 3.0L engined car was a sign of wealth or you were a foreigner in the company car. That's why the Jap's are so good at milking what they do out of sub 3-liter engines. [Dave] They also practice wealth redistribution on a more grand scale than we do... The best (first do no harm) policy really is taxes on gas. [Dave] I agree, cut that mofo by 75% ! It's completely fair to all involved [Dave] I am a Dual income no kids (DINK) family member, and this doesn't fit me - but some families do actually make use of SUV's... far fewer than those (all) that buy them, but some... .... In Japan the cost per liter of fuel is easily 4x what we 'mericans pay. [Dave] So ? That's them. This is us ;-) Now I realize that due to the vast expanses of territory this nation covers, trucking is a HUGE part of our commerce system and killing it with fuel costs is not a viable solution. One could consider waiving the hike on diesel for commercial trucking operations. IMO the big bump in revenues can be properly used to improve roads for better traffic flow [Dave] I'm certainly 100% confident that our legislators would use that money for ONLY transportations... uh huh.... The problem with a metro system like ours is that despite the tortuous pain involved in sitting in countless traffic jams hour after countless hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT to car pool or use the bus/rail, or otherwise inconvenience themselves. I think the State's ought to take full advantage of this inelastic demand curve and charge the snot out of those who engage in such behavior. [Dave] Metro stops & stations are havens for increased crime, diminished safety, often stink of urine, and you can look forward to being stuffed in a tube with dozens of complete strangers during rush hour. I for one kiss the perverbial HOV sign because my commute (Springfield to Rosslyn) under even the worst conditions is 25 minutes whereas it could easily be 90 or more via 395. I've looked at bus/train but the best time expenditure is 45 minutes per trip and that's only if I get the Metro express bus direct into the Pentagon. Going FFax bus and then Metro takes at least 65 minutes and often a bit longer. What's even more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day than it does to pay monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in gas and tires. [Dave] That's pretty much the most telling paragraph in the thread yet. > thread among all the top 10 worst traffic cities (metro areas) ... > makes you wonder... I'd like to see a study showing causation. [Dave] I just said it makes you wonder, but, there was a major city (Houston maybe ? I don't know) that dumped their HOV lanes and suffered no ill effects. Another thing to think about - how much more pollutants are being dumped in the air by making all the 'commoners' sit in a backup while HOV travellers are wizzing by ? I think you'll find it's the other way around. There is merit to the argument that 5 lanes of traffic moves more traffic than 3. But the issue isn't how many lanes there are or it's gross flow. It's exit flow that, especially in DC's case, absolutely is the worst. [Dave] What works in one city, doesn't necessarily in another... HOV lanes may work great in some places, but they definitely make more people sit in traffic around here than they 'free from traffic'. Unless you fix the concentration of traffic issue as well as the log-jam's at off-ramps a 16 lane wide 395 will be 16 lanes of dead-stopped traffic jams. No thank you. [Dave] We surely have enough cars to fill that ... pretty ominous... One thing that baffles me - our local governments keep approving apartment complexes, town house developments & high density housing, with many households that are multi-vehicle. The developers are given tax BREAKS rather than charged additional road maintenance... So, we flood the roads with more vehicles, and add nothing to the transportation infrastructure. ... I think we 'mericans have more of a mental/cultural problem than necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or physical/technical problem. [Dave] 'Tis true. A good working, cheap & reliable public transportation system would be worth paying for, even to 'private transportation or die' types like me. Even I concede that just widening the beltway etc.. won't solve our problems. I do believe however, that HOV lanes detract from any potential solution... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 14:47:38 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:53:25 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > [Dave] Were I to actually *have* that choice, and were there a > guarantee of one or the other, I'd make that bargain - personal > safety instead of getting chickenshit tickets. Trouble is, courts > have repeatedly held that police aren't responsible for my personal > safety - or anyone's - AND we continue to have the problem > of 'chickenshit' tickets. What are the typical responses to the > question 'Hey? what happened to protect & serve?' > 1 - a chickenshit ticket > 2 - more officers on the scene > 3 - more chickenshit tickets when the other officers 'find' something > else from the 'insubordinate' motorist. > > I applaud the members of all PD's that put murder, robbery, rapist & > child molestors in the big house. Most people I know could do with a > lot less 'chickenshit' tickets though. > > Dave What constitutes a 'chickenshit' ticket? I have been nabbed in speed traps but consider it 'tithing' for past unnoticed sins. A law is a law, we're supposed to know the law. If one is willing to accept the risk of ignoring the law than they should be willing to accept the consequences. Of course if one does what my cousin's wife did and challange a traffic stop with WHY AREN'T YOU OUT CATCHING REAL CRIMINALS! Than be prepared to recieve the most chickenshit laden ticket you've ever laid eyes on. Not to mention what was most likely an advisory warning not to let kids sit up on a convertable boot became a big banger reckless - 6 points and mandaory court appearance. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:17:36 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy burke Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Been lurking here for awhile never posted before, but since i know a little about this subject i thought i'd throw my two cents in. The reason houston did better is that there was a huge loss of population due to the oil bust. Lose population = fewer drivers to cause congestion. When dealing with HOV lanes it is important to remember we are not talking about vehicles being moved but people, and the two lanes on Shirley highway move alot of people (if i wasn't so lazy I'd walk accross the office and get the numbers). In the transportation planning community there is a lot of wrangling over weather HOV is effective or not. At the Transporation Research Boards last conference the HOV committes presentation seemed to be split over what the future of HOV facilities may be. the Shirley Highway corridor is probably one of the best performing Facilities in the country while i-66 outside of the beltway is among the worst. I don't think there is a black or white answer when it comes to HOV, some places it is approraite some it is not (just why is there HOV through old town alexandria, to make the commute for FFX CO. residents commute slower?) not a sermon, just a thought. andy --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > ...At first blush one would think any vehicle that > can't > make say 22mpg needs to pay a stiff gas-guzzler tax. > > [Dave] Why? they're already paying more gas tax > than we are with > our 40 mpg plus uber bikes ... > > They do that in > Japan and over in some countries of the EU for > instance. In Japan it > used to be owning a 3.0L engined car was a sign of > wealth or you were > a foreigner in the company car. That's why the Jap's > are so good at > milking what they do out of sub 3-liter engines. > > [Dave] They also practice wealth redistribution on > a more grand > scale than we do... > > > The best (first do no harm) policy really is taxes > on gas. > > [Dave] I agree, cut that mofo by 75% ! > > > It's > completely fair to all involved > > [Dave] I am a Dual income no kids (DINK) family > member, and this > doesn't fit me - but some families do actually make > use of SUV's... > far fewer than those (all) that buy them, but > some... > > .... In Japan the cost per liter of fuel is easily > 4x > what we 'mericans pay. > > [Dave] So ? That's them. This is us ;-) > > > Now I realize that due to the vast expanses of > territory this nation > covers, trucking is a HUGE part of our commerce > system and killing it > with fuel costs is not a viable solution. One could > consider waiving > the hike on diesel for commercial trucking > operations. IMO the big > bump in revenues can be properly used to improve > roads for better > traffic flow > > [Dave] I'm certainly 100% confident that our > legislators would use > that money for ONLY transportations... uh huh.... > > > The problem with a metro system like ours is that > despite the tortuous > pain involved in sitting in countless traffic jams > hour after > countless hour, day after tedious day, people don't > WANT to car pool > or use the bus/rail, or otherwise inconvenience > themselves. I think > the State's ought to take full advantage of this > inelastic demand > curve and charge the snot out of those who engage in > such behavior. > > [Dave] Metro stops & stations are havens for > increased crime, > diminished safety, often stink of urine, and you can > look forward to > being stuffed in a tube with dozens of complete > strangers during rush > hour. > > > I for one kiss the perverbial HOV sign because my > commute (Springfield > to Rosslyn) under even the worst conditions is 25 > minutes whereas it > could easily be 90 or more via 395. I've looked at > bus/train but the > best time expenditure is 45 minutes per trip and > that's only if I get > the Metro express bus direct into the Pentagon. > Going FFax bus and > then > Metro takes at least 65 minutes and often a bit > longer. What's even > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day > than it does to pay > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in > gas and tires. > > [Dave] That's pretty much the most telling > paragraph in the thread > yet. > > > > thread among all the top 10 worst traffic cities > (metro areas) ... > > makes you wonder... > > I'd like to see a study showing causation. > > [Dave] I just said it makes you wonder, but, there > was a major city > (Houston maybe ? I don't know) that dumped their > HOV lanes and > suffered no ill effects. Another thing to think > about - how much > more pollutants are being dumped in the air by > making all > the 'commoners' sit in a backup while HOV travellers > are wizzing > by ? > > > I think you'll find it's the > other way around. There is merit to the argument > that 5 lanes of > traffic moves more traffic than 3. But the issue > isn't how many lanes > there are or it's gross flow. It's exit flow that, > especially in DC's > case, absolutely is the worst. > > [Dave] What works in one city, doesn't necessarily > in another... > HOV lanes may work great in some places, but they > definitely make > more people sit in traffic around here than they > 'free from > traffic'. > > > Unless you fix the concentration of > traffic issue as well as the log-jam's at off-ramps > a 16 lane wide 395 > will be 16 lanes of dead-stopped traffic jams. No > thank you. > > [Dave] We surely have enough cars to fill that ... > pretty > ominous... One thing that baffles me - our local > governments keep > approving apartment complexes, town house > developments & high density > housing, with many households that are > multi-vehicle. The developers > are given tax BREAKS rather than charged additional > road > maintenance... So, we flood the roads with more > vehicles, and add > nothing to the transportation infrastructure. > ... > > I think we 'mericans have more of a mental/cultural > problem than > necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or > physical/technical > problem. > > [Dave] 'Tis true. A good working, cheap & reliable > public > transportation system would be worth paying for, > even to 'private > transportation or die' types like me. Even I > concede that just > widening the beltway etc.. won't solve our problems. > > I do believe however, that HOV lanes detract from > any potential > solution... > > Dave > > > > > -- > Sponsored by: > Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game > of poker? > Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play > some Roulette? > Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for > it all! > http://www.searchgambling.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:19:08 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:19:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: Todd Withrow , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Your simple minded answers forget one thing. When our ancestors came here, there was virtually an unlimited landspace for them to move into. That is not the case anymore. Space is running out, look at the crazy prices housing goes for in this town. Your rights to commute as you wish in whatever veichle you wish must coexist with other rights. They are not paramount. People have rights in terms of quality of life, environmental standards, etc. As we eat up more and more open space (there is now tract housing outside of Winchester, crazy) the rights of those who do not want to see this entire nation paved must be considered. Mark --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > IMO the big bump > > in revenues can be properly used to improve roads > > for better traffic > > flow > > Do you REALLY think that politicians can leave any > cash cow alone to be used for it's intended purpose. > The gas taxes we pay now are not used for roads. > What > makes you think that if we triple it, the roads will > get any better? > > Get a law pass that forbids congress from using any > tax money for other than it's intended purpose (gas, > FICA, etc.) and the world will be a better place. > > > > > hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT to > > car pool or use the > > Yep, that's me. > > > What's even > > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day > > than it does to pay > > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure > in > > gas and tires. > > > > Another reason my wife and I have never used mass > transit to commute. > > > > > Japan, eg Tokyo is a city every much as dense as > NYC > > and 2hr commutes > > are common-place. but it's done almost exclusively > > via train. Trains > > move a ton of people per linear foot, are a whole > > lot cheaper per > > capita, have no traffic jams to speak of and can > > (and do) run precisely > > on schedule. Japanese also don't worship at the > > alter of the > > automobile, don't slavishly seek independance and > > autonomy at any cost, > > and also don't like paying gas taxes. The entire > > culture has large > > underpinnings of self-sacrifice for the public > good > > whereas ours is > > entirely wrapped in selfish pursuits and the > > neighbors be damned. > > > > The Japanese also accept that as they stand at the > metro stop, someone will shove them into the train > as > hard as possible. To cram as many as possible onto > your silver steed. I don't mean other commuters. I > mean the attendent whose job it is to shove people > into rail cars. As Americans we don't accept being > pushed around. ) > > > > > > I think we 'mericans have more of a > mental/cultural > > problem than > > necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or > > physical/technical problem. > > > > I don't see it as a problem. That is what makes us > American. That is what set us apart when our > ancestors > left their country to come here. > > Todd W. > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now > society wants to childproof the world. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:36:38 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Hov lanes Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:39:06 -0400 With respect to mass transit, it's slow. I've got an outbound commute (although the outbound lanes on 395 between 3rd St. SE and the GW can be as equally clogged as the inbound.) Here's how the stats break down. Door to door. Motorcycle - 20 (usually) -30 minutes tops (park one block away, boss picks up tab.) At home I can park right in front of my house. No trolling for parking. Bicycle - 40 minutes (bike goes inside, no walking) Metro - 45-50 minutes (5-minute walk on DC end, 15 minutes on the Alex. end) Can take longer if I have to wait at L'Enfant. Have to stand until the train clears out at Pentagon City. Yes, you got it right. A reasonably fit human on a bicycle can easily beat Metro door to door on an 8-mile commute unless you happen to live and work on top of a station. Dave, you really need to get out and travel more. :) If you think DC Metro is a haven for crime and stinks of urine, etc., I commend to you the "vintage" subways and elevated railways of places like NYC, Boston, Phila., and Chicago. Most of the crime on the Metro system involves stolen cars and break-ins at garages, which resemble ghost towns in the middle of day. Add the Metro Police to the list of agencies working across all 3 jurisdictions. I disagree about the motor fuels tax, BTW, especially arbitrarily raising it on everyone. There are lots of inequities that would be magnified by doing so. Trucks pay too little based on the wear and tear they cause, not to mention the fact that they derive commercial benefit from the highways. Railroads also pay a tax on diesel, some of which goes directly to their competition: the truckers. Obviously the railroads aren't moving heavy loads by highway and they pay for their own tracks, including hefty property taxes. I also think that throwing money at the highway "problem" is not the way to go. I have serious doubts that giving VDOT more to spend would solve anything. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > > [Dave] Metro stops & stations are havens for increased crime, > diminished safety, often stink of urine, and you can look forward to > being stuffed in a tube with dozens of complete strangers during rush > hour. > > Metro takes at least 65 minutes and often a bit longer. What's even > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day than it does to pay > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in gas and tires. > > [Dave] That's pretty much the most telling paragraph in the thread > yet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:36:10 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:35:58 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: DC-Cycles , sdave@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Hov lanes >[Dave] Yeah, when I think Boston, certainly it conjures up images of a paragon of traffic efficiency... NOT. Their traffic is every bit a Charlie Foxtrot as ours is. In fact, HOV lanes seem to be a common thread among all the top 10 worst traffic cities (metro areas) ... makes you wonder... I lived in Boston for 7 years and the traffic there is nowhere near as bad as here IMO. The major backups could be circumvented fairly easily if you knew your way around and were confined to 4-6:30 or so Monday-Friday on main arteries only. I think Boston is notorious for the wacky configuration of the roads which there is no arguing, but it works. The Big-Dig regardless how you feel about it will, when completed, exceed capacity needs for some time to come. Imagine that, forethought. I figured I would be able to handle the traffic here after Boston, but nothing prepared me for the round the clock clusterfuck that is the DC Metro - NOVA area road situation. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:38:55 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:34:01 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: authority Bill asks - What constitutes a 'chickenshit' ticket? [Dave] I was paraphrasing from previous posts. I'll venture to say they're almost synonymous with 'bullshit' tickets though... I equate that to 'nothing better to do' tickets, or revenue generators. After all, if it was REALLY about safety, everyone would be pushing for jail time to get these scofflaws off the road ! I have been nabbed in speed traps but consider it 'tithing' for past unnoticed sins. A law is a law, we're supposed to know the law. If one is willing to accept the risk of ignoring the law than they should be willing to accept the consequences. [Dave] I'd just like the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, to a jury of my peers that I in fact broke the law, before being convicted... That's just my opinion though... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 15:52:27 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I can add another datapoint to Paul's writeup about bicycles beating public transport. For me I lived on Telegraph road and commuted to Crystal City, the north end of it. 12.4 miles each way. I could bike it door to door in 40 minutes. Taking the bus and train I'd be damn lucky to match the time and 99% it was rather worse despite the fact that the roads were not all that busy to Huntington Metro. Now though, the express bus can beat my hour long bike-trek to Rosslyn. If I were in shape like I used to be a scant 2 years ago I could probably get it down to 52 minutes and also find a better route. The distance is only about 15 miles but the route is a lot hillier and lots more traffic lights to deal with. Maybe by mid-summer... I used to elapsed AVERAGE speed of 18.2 mph on my old commute. "Passing on your left!!!!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 16:39:40 2002 From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt-l@XXXXXX Subject: Another reason to wear a helmet: Thinning the flock! Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 16:38:32 -0400 Riding home today in Rock Creek Park I was taking A nice sweeping turn when, out the corner of my eye, I see some wings flap followed by a thud on my face sheild! I took out a Freakin' bird! I pulled over a second later 'cause I couldn't believe what just happened. Sure enough there where a bunch of brown feathers jammed in the chin vent of the helmet! Another good reason to don your helmet and protective gear! Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 16:47:32 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 16:53:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill asks - > > What constitutes a 'chickenshit' ticket? and Dave sez... > [Dave] I'd just like the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, > to a jury of my peers that I in fact broke the law, before being > convicted... That's just my opinion though... Well, if one was motivated to spend time and $$$ with a lawyer who specializings in beating chickenshit tickets, one could have the State certify that the whatever ray-gun device or timing means was used to collect the speed numbers was tuned and accurate, and that the operator was trained to use it. A huge waste of my time and $$$, IMHO. I just cough up the fine and pay the damn ticket. I've been guilty as all hell every time. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 16:50:02 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:49:35 EDT Subject: Re: Crow munching anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/2/2002 2:42:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > I was little disconcerted to see a > mystery hold of $100. A few calls had in figured out, but it was a major > pain in the ass. Try it 1,000mi. from home. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 16:51:28 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: authority Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:51:48 -0400 I don't mind the ticket that much, it's what it does to my insurance that I hate. And I will go to court every time I get a ticket. -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:53 PM Well, if one was motivated to spend time and $$$ with a lawyer who specializings in beating chickenshit tickets, one could have the State certify that the whatever ray-gun device or timing means was used to collect the speed numbers was tuned and accurate, and that the operator was trained to use it. A huge waste of my time and $$$, IMHO. I just cough up the fine and pay the damn ticket. I've been guilty as all hell every time. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 17:04:35 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:04:25 -0400 Subject: WTB- Cruiser From: Rob Curtis To: I have a friend looking for his first bike, if anyone knows of a 600-800cc Cruiser or Half-Faired Standard that can be had for $2-3g's let me know! Thanks- Robby C. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 17:12:20 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Curtis" , Subject: Re: WTB- Cruiser Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:13:57 -0400 How old? There was a 1985ish CB650SC for sale on here last week. Ride, learn, sell to another newbie after a season. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Curtis" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: WTB- Cruiser > I have a friend looking for his first bike, if anyone knows of a 600-800cc > Cruiser or Half-Faired Standard that can be had for $2-3g's let me know! > Thanks- > > Robby C. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 17:22:29 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Hov lanes/Re: Authority To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX here's my reluctant addition to the monotony that IS these 2 threads: pass legislation allowing for lane-splitting by motorcyclists and i wouldn't give two slippery shits about (i) HOV lanes or (ii) LEO authority -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 17:32:27 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:38:15 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: RichH@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: authority RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't mind the ticket that much, it's what it does to my insurance that I > hate. And I will go to court every time I get a ticket. ACK! The insurance... Back in `65 I was on my way to see my gf and letting my stiffy do the driving - got nailed on I-40 in North Cakalaki doing 85. Went over the whammy strips (air tubes that trip an electric timer) with the brakes locked, tires smoking, and ripped the tubes up. Man, was the Deputy Sheriff pissed! Paid the fine but got banned from driving in NC for two years, unless I provided proof of SR-22 insurance. My VA rate would have gone from $135/yr to $401/yr! Screw that, I *moved* to North Cakalaki - $217/yr, no inspection, no PP tax! Oh yeah, and with an NC license and tag, no 'damn yankee' harrassment from the goober cops. But you're right, fear of escalating rates keeps me off the throttle. Well, not way off, just enough to slide by the gendarmes. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 18:32:26 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:32:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX you all are crazy! running out of room? my god there is plenty of room around this area. If you really don't believe that... i will take anyone flying and you will see just how much land is around here. Take a vacation in beijing.. see how much room there is in that city. HOV on 66 is working for me and my motorcycle.. so hope they keep it along time. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Your simple minded answers forget one thing. When > our > ancestors came here, there was virtually an > unlimited > landspace for them to move into. That is not the > case > anymore. Space is running out, look at the crazy > prices housing goes for in this town. > > Your rights to commute as you wish in whatever > veichle > you wish must coexist with other rights. They are > not > paramount. People have rights in terms of quality > of > life, environmental standards, etc. As we eat up > more > and more open space (there is now tract housing > outside of Winchester, crazy) the rights of those > who > do not want to see this entire nation paved must be > considered. > > Mark > > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > > IMO the big bump > > > in revenues can be properly used to improve > roads > > > for better traffic > > > flow > > > > Do you REALLY think that politicians can leave any > > cash cow alone to be used for it's intended > purpose. > > The gas taxes we pay now are not used for roads. > > What > > makes you think that if we triple it, the roads > will > > get any better? > > > > Get a law pass that forbids congress from using > any > > tax money for other than it's intended purpose > (gas, > > FICA, etc.) and the world will be a better place. > > > > > > > > > hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT > to > > > car pool or use the > > > > Yep, that's me. > > > > > What's even > > > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day > > > than it does to pay > > > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also > figure > > in > > > gas and tires. > > > > > > > Another reason my wife and I have never used mass > > transit to commute. > > > > > > > > > Japan, eg Tokyo is a city every much as dense as > > NYC > > > and 2hr commutes > > > are common-place. but it's done almost > exclusively > > > via train. Trains > > > move a ton of people per linear foot, are a > whole > > > lot cheaper per > > > capita, have no traffic jams to speak of and can > > > (and do) run precisely > > > on schedule. Japanese also don't worship at the > > > alter of the > > > automobile, don't slavishly seek independance > and > > > autonomy at any cost, > > > and also don't like paying gas taxes. The entire > > > culture has large > > > underpinnings of self-sacrifice for the public > > good > > > whereas ours is > > > entirely wrapped in selfish pursuits and the > > > neighbors be damned. > > > > > > > The Japanese also accept that as they stand at the > > metro stop, someone will shove them into the train > > as > > hard as possible. To cram as many as possible onto > > your silver steed. I don't mean other commuters. I > > mean the attendent whose job it is to shove people > > into rail cars. As Americans we don't accept being > > pushed around. ) > > > > > > > > > > > I think we 'mericans have more of a > > mental/cultural > > > problem than > > > necessarily a legal (eg. eminent domain) or > > > physical/technical problem. > > > > > > > I don't see it as a problem. That is what makes us > > American. That is what set us apart when our > > ancestors > > left their country to come here. > > > > Todd W. > > > > ===== > > AIM: Inf DS > > > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. > Now > > society wants to childproof the world. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 20:48:25 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "The dc-cycles list administrator" Subject: Cross country trip, anyone? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:48:08 -0400 Im intersted in doing a cross country trip next year. I would like to find out if anyone in this group would be interested in riding their bikes to the west coast, and back. Email me personaly. ricardo@XXXXXX Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 20:46:33 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:46:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just a thought here, but is the real problem the HOV lanes or the people driving in them? I mean when I was driving as a single driver in my cage from Arlington to Manassas to get home, I often found that the right lanes would move faster than the HOV lane on 66. Just because you have two people in the car doesn't mean that you should be in the lane. Slower traffic keep right. When they don't you get all the others that are doing at least 10 mph over the posted limit weaving in and out of all of the lanes. They don't look where they are going and bang, we have another accident to tie the whole damn thing up even more. I thought I recalled reading the thread here, that it is a Virginia law that if someone is going faster than you, you must pull to the right if you have the ability to do so and let them pass or you too are breaking the law. I have since moved to Alexandria and no longer need to hit any highway to get to work, but when I find the need to drive south I do like the 95 express lanes during rush hour. Just remember that on most of the express lane drive the posted speed is 10 mph higher, so once again, if you're still going to go slow, get the hell out of the fast lane. Steve '01 YZF600R P.S. Great Bike Night last night. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 20:54:53 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:54:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Harpers Ferry trip? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Would anybody be interested for a ride to Harpers Ferry on the 15th of June? I got some responses from people last night at Bike Night and this seemed to be the preferred weekend. Steve '01 YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 21:08:47 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:08:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Hov lanes To: Mark Kitchell , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX My "simple minded" answer forgets nothing. I was merely explaining a bit of the American mindset that is going to impede your Socialist Utopia. Good luck getting freedom loving Americans to act as drones. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Your simple minded answers forget one thing. When > our > ancestors came here, there was virtually an > unlimited > landspace for them to move into. That is not the > case > anymore. Space is running out, look at the crazy > prices housing goes for in this town. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:36:27 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:23:58 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pictures from the R6 Group Ride Here is the link to the pictures posted on the R6 message board: http://pub114.ezboard.com/fyamahar6messagenetmemberspictures.showMessage?topicID=692.topic If the link doesn't work. Go to www.r6messagenet.com, then go to members pictures and videos, then find the link titled: Skyline Group Ride We Saw Cooter! Enjoy -Mark PS: Ignore what the other board members comments. hehe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:37:16 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:43:59 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: s_burrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? Count me in for the Harpers Ferry Trip. Also, I want to say it was nice meeting everyone at Bike Night. And I hope some of you can make it to this group ride. -Mark In a message dated Mon, 3 Jun 2002 8:57:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, s_burrow@XXXXXX writes: > > > Would anybody be interested for a ride to Harpers > Ferry on the 15th of June? I got some responses from > people last night at Bike Night and this seemed to be > the preferred weekend. > > Steve > '01 YZF600R > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:44:53 2002 From: "Marc Washington" To: STmaven@XXXXXX, s_burrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:43:30 -0400 Where are we thinking about starting the ride? >From: STmaven@XXXXXX >To: s_burrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? >Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:43:59 -0400 > >Count me in for the Harpers Ferry Trip. Also, I want to say it was nice >meeting everyone at Bike Night. And I hope some of you can make it to this >group ride. > >-Mark > >In a message dated Mon, 3 Jun 2002 8:57:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >s_burrow@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Would anybody be interested for a ride to Harpers > > Ferry on the 15th of June? I got some responses from > > people last night at Bike Night and this seemed to be > > the preferred weekend. > > > > Steve > > '01 YZF600R > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:49:59 2002 From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:48:37 -0400 Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not quite sure yet......k cleuless Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:52:40 2002 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry trip? To: Marc Washington , STmaven@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I haven't really put any details together, but maybe we could get everyone together in Leesburg. Take rt 7 to rt 9 and then we have a couple of different routes to choose from. I'll let you know. If anyone else has any ideas, I would like to hear them. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 22:55:13 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:42:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Hov lanes At 02:41 PM 6/3/02 -0400, you wrote: [...] >The best (first do no harm) policy really is taxes on gas. > >[Dave] I agree, cut that mofo by 75% ! Yes! :-) >[Dave] I am a Dual income no kids (DINK) family member, and this >doesn't fit me - but some families do actually make use of SUV's... >far fewer than those (all) that buy them, but some... Some of us that don't have kids do have hobbies that require the use of large SUVs/trucks to pull trailers. Most of the time my gas-guzzling Suburban sits around, but I need it in my stable to drag around my 18' trailer :-) I'm sure there are others on this list that race their bikes and pull trailers to/from the track. >Now I realize that due to the vast expanses of territory this nation >covers, trucking is a HUGE part of our commerce system and killing it >with fuel costs is not a viable solution. One could consider waiving >the hike on diesel for commercial trucking operations. IMO the big >bump in revenues can be properly used to improve roads for better >traffic flow > >[Dave] I'm certainly 100% confident that our legislators would use >that money for ONLY transportations... uh huh.... Also consider how this huge tax increase would effect small businesses like landscapers, flower shops, your local carry out, etc. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 23:03:46 2002 From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , Subject: Re: Pictures from the R6 Group Ride Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:58:35 -0400 Mark: Thanks for posting the pictures. It was a fun group ride to 211. I am glad you made it to Bike Night. I hope to make the Harpers Ferry ride. Roy D. Turner, Esq. www.cfolaw.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Pictures from the R6 Group Ride > Here is the link to the pictures posted on the R6 message board: > > http://pub114.ezboard.com/fyamahar6messagenetmemberspictures.showMessage?top icID=692.topic > > If the link doesn't work. Go to www.r6messagenet.com, then go to members pictures and videos, then find the link titled: Skyline Group Ride We Saw Cooter! Enjoy > > -Mark > > PS: Ignore what the other board members comments. hehe > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 23:07:45 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:06:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt-l@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Another reason to wear a helmet: Thinning the flock! At 04:38 PM 6/3/02 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: >Riding home today in Rock Creek Park I was taking A nice sweeping turn >when, out the corner of my eye, I see some wings flap followed by a thud >on my face sheild! I took out a Freakin' bird! I pulled over a second >later 'cause I couldn't believe what just happened. Sure enough there >where a bunch of brown feathers jammed in the chin vent of the helmet! >Another good reason to don your helmet and protective gear! > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk Hawks always attack smaller birds!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 23:07:50 2002 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:07:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... At 10:48 PM 6/3/02 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: >Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not quite sure yet......k >cleuless No. Period. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 3 23:52:22 2002 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Marc Washington" , Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:56:07 -0400 > Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not quite sure yet......k > cleuless. Marc Washington ******************************************** Illegal around these parts. Is Calif. the only place it's legal ?? MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 02:27:46 2002 From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Todd Withrow Cc: Mark Kitchell , sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: HOV lanes Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 02:39:06 -0400 |>I think the HOV lanes are a waste of space. I like the |>idea of the reversible express lanes like on I-395, |>but they should be open to everyone. I see cars waste space all the time.. I would like to see cars ride not side by side in 3 lanes on a 3 lane highway but instead pacing each other in line, or at worse, staggered formation. If we take a 4 lane highway and force cars to use 3 lanes, it forces them to tighten up... and eliminates the "damn I can't pass" effect. plus i feel motorcyclists should have their own lane anyway, so i like HOV. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 06:40:07 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin Laubach Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... To: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX How much tolerance is typically granted? Do they bother you for filtering to the front of the queue at stoplights, etc.? --- Bob Meyer wrote: > At 10:48 PM 6/3/02 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: > > >Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not > quite sure yet......k > >cleuless > > > No. Period. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 07:02:08 2002 From: Carl Schelin To: simon_weiss@XXXXXX, "Simon Weiss" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hov lanes Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:01:28 -0400 I normally clean up all the excess coding but this is just too much fun. See below for my response. On Monday 03 June 2002 12:52, Simon Weiss wrote: >
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-- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 07:08:53 2002 From: Carl Schelin To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hov lanes Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:08:42 -0400 On Monday 03 June 2002 14:41, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > The problem with a metro system like ours is that despite the tortuous > pain involved in sitting in countless traffic jams hour after > countless hour, day after tedious day, people don't WANT to car pool > or use the bus/rail, or otherwise inconvenience themselves. I think > the State's ought to take full advantage of this inelastic demand > curve and charge the snot out of those who engage in such behavior. > > [Dave] Metro stops & stations are havens for increased crime, > diminished safety, often stink of urine, and you can look forward to > being stuffed in a tube with dozens of complete strangers during rush > hour. > *Achoo* Let's not forget the disease ridden. The guy across the way from Friday when I had to take the last VRE home was sniffling with every third breath and sneezing about every 10 minutes. Could be allergies though. > > I for one kiss the perverbial HOV sign because my commute (Springfield > to Rosslyn) under even the worst conditions is 25 minutes whereas it > could easily be 90 or more via 395. I've looked at bus/train but the > best time expenditure is 45 minutes per trip and that's only if I get > the Metro express bus direct into the Pentagon. Going FFax bus and > then > Metro takes at least 65 minutes and often a bit longer. What's even > more sad is that Bus/Metro costs me MORE per day than it does to pay > monthly parking for my motorcycle and also figure in gas and tires. > > [Dave] That's pretty much the most telling paragraph in the thread > yet. > _But_ with the company sponsered $100 refund each month, my VRE ride is $57 for a monthly ticket from Woodbridge to SW. That beats riding the bike to work not to mention every mother's son and daughter on the cell not watching and damn near running us off the road *mumble* *mumble* Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 08:37:26 2002 From: "Wynn, Brad" To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: Newbie Question Re Gear... Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:41:14 -0400 Hello again everyone. I was wondering if there is somewhere besides Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. Their selections are sparse and expensive. Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. I've found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products out in person. Thanks in advance for your help!! -Brad W From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 08:40:21 2002 From: "Marc Washington" To: bradwynn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:40:13 -0400 Try them on anywhere and then buy them from www.newenough.com >From: "Wynn, Brad" >To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" >Subject: Newbie Question Re Gear... >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:41:14 -0400 > >Hello again everyone. I was wondering if there is somewhere besides >Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. Their selections >are >sparse and expensive. > >Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. >I've >found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products >out in person. > >Thanks in advance for your help!! > >-Brad W > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 08:45:25 2002 From: "Wynn, Brad" To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Newbie Question Re Gear... Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:49:22 -0400 Well, that is what I plan to do (try on the jackets and inspect the soft luggage), but where is there a good selection? Coleman's doesn't really have much stuff. Thanks again! -Brad -----Original Message----- From: Marc Washington [mailto:marcwashington@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:40 AM To: bradwynn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... Try them on anywhere and then buy them from www.newenough.com >From: "Wynn, Brad" >To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" >Subject: Newbie Question Re Gear... >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:41:14 -0400 > >Hello again everyone. I was wondering if there is somewhere besides >Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. Their selections >are >sparse and expensive. > >Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. >I've >found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products >out in person. > >Thanks in advance for your help!! > >-Brad W > Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 08:54:06 2002 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:08:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... At 08:41 AM 6/4/02 -0400, you wrote: >Hello again everyone. I was wondering if there is somewhere besides >Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. Their selections are >sparse and expensive. > >Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. I've >found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products >out in person. I've found that Battley Cycles in Gaithersburg, MD (http://www.battley.com/) and Cycle's USA in Silver Spring (?), MD have good selections of gear. Cycle's USA has a little bit of luggage, Battley has almost nothing for sportbikes in the way of luggage. I purchased my wife's Kushitani summer jacket and my Sidi OnRoad Sympatex boots at Battley during their open house earlier this year. I also grabbed a Tourmaster Cortech Tribag system for my Hayabusa at Cycle's USA. As someone else mentioned, http://www.newenough.com/ is a great place to purchase. Paul and Holly are very nice and provide excellent customer service. I've purchased 3-4 items from them and returned items 2x because of poor fit. There is no charge for returns and they credited my Amex promptly. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 09:04:59 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , "Marc Washington" , Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:06:51 -0400 My research concludes the following: Two motor vehicles sharing a lane is expressly illegal in MD and VA. In fact VA includes lane sharing under its catch all reckless statute. DC has no express prohibition that I can find, although they could probably cite you for an improper lane change if they wanted to. As far as in practice on a daily basis, filtering and white-lining is generally tolerated in DC. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not quite sure yet......k > > cleuless. Marc Washington > ******************************************** > Illegal around these parts. > > Is Calif. the only place it's legal ?? > > MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 09:29:40 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... To: Marc Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Marc Washington wrote: > > Lane splitting DC VA MD LEGAL OR NOT? I'm just not quite > sure yet......k > cleuless > > > Marc Washington > 88' Honda Hawk not legal in any of the three jurisdictions. however, folks seem to get away with filtering and splitting more easily in dc than in md./va.; and more easily in md. than in va. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 09:33:47 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: I know this has been discussed adnauseum...... To: Paul Wilson , "Michael R. Cecchini" , Marc Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > My research concludes the following: > > Two motor vehicles sharing a lane is expressly > illegal in MD and VA. In > fact VA includes lane sharing under its catch all > reckless statute. Similar research done in Virginia indicates the following. In Virginia, it is tolerated that cars can share a lane with another vehicle. If the motorcycle initiates the lane sharing, it generally isn't tolerated. Examples where lane sharing will be tolerated in VA. At a traffic light, either a car or a motorcycle may filter to the front when making a right turn if the rest of the traffic is waiting to go straight. Don't drive/ride on the shoulder to do this. At a traffic light, a car may filter to the front when going straight if the other traffic is making a right turn. Don't do this with a motorcycle. If there are cars parked on the right AND a dashed white lane line is present indicating two lanes, lane sharing with the parked vehicles is generally tolerated. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 09:35:55 2002 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:35:56 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bradwynn@XXXXXX ("Wynn, Brad"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("DC Cycles List (E-mail)") Subject: RE: Newbie Question Re Gear... Which Coleman's are you going to? The one by Potomac Mills has a better selection than their other store. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 4 Jun 2002 M- 8:47:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Wynn, Brad" writes: >Well, that is what I plan to do (try on the jackets and inspect the soft >luggage), but where is there a good selection? M- Coleman's doesn't really >have much stuff. > >Thanks again! > >-Brad > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marc Washington [mailto:marcwashington@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:40 AM >To: bradwynn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... > > >Try them on anywhere and then buy them from www.newenough.com > > >>From: "Wynn, Brad" >>To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" >>Subject: Newbie Question Re Gear... >>Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:41:14 -0400 >> >>Hello again everyone. M- I was wondering if there is somewhere besides >>Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. M- Their selections >>are >>sparse and expensive. >> >>Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. M- >>I've >>found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products >>out in person. >> >>Thanks in advance for your help!! >> >>-Brad W >> > > > > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 09:37:42 2002 From: "Wynn, Brad" To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Newbie Question Re Gear... Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:41:40 -0400 Yeah, I've been stopping by their Falls Church store. I'll try the Woodbridge one. -Brad W -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:36 AM To: bradwynn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Newbie Question Re Gear... Which Coleman's are you going to? The one by Potomac Mills has a better selection than their other store. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 4 Jun 2002 M- 8:47:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Wynn, Brad" writes: >Well, that is what I plan to do (try on the jackets and inspect the soft >luggage), but where is there a good selection? M- Coleman's doesn't really >have much stuff. > >Thanks again! > >-Brad > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marc Washington [mailto:marcwashington@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:40 AM >To: bradwynn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... > > >Try them on anywhere and then buy them from www.newenough.com > > >>From: "Wynn, Brad" >>To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" >>Subject: Newbie Question Re Gear... >>Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:41:14 -0400 >> >>Hello again everyone. M- I was wondering if there is somewhere besides >>Coleman's and Cyclesport to check out gear for riding. M- Their selections >>are >>sparse and expensive. >> >>Specifically, I'm interested in tank bags/luggage, and summer jackets. M- >>I've >>found some good prices online, but I'd like to check some of these products >>out in person. >> >>Thanks in advance for your help!! >> >>-Brad W >> > > > > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 10:10:18 2002 From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Tom Gimer Cc: Stevens John R DLVA , "DC Cycles Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: Re: YZF600 vs. ZX6E Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:21:57 -0400 I have a friend who just bought a 95 yzf. That thing rides the curves really well. I would have to agree the zxf is a better bike. On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>while it ain't as sporty as the r6/cbr600/gsxr600/zx6r, it |>is a better sportbike than the zx6e and yam fit and finish |>is also better. |> |> |> |> |>--- Stevens John R DLVA wrote: |>> To pull this thread a little further, anyone have any |>> thoughts on the YZF |>> vs. the ZX-600E? |>> |>> TIA, |>> John Stevens |>> '77 GS750 |>> Waldorf, MD |> |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup |>http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 4 10:13:32 2002 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:13:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Newbie Question Re Gear... Another local place with new and pre-owned gear is "Motorcycle Leather Exchange" http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html l She gave me quite a lot of nice advi